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Last month I happened to read Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.’s new book The Real Anthony Fauci, which had almost immediately become a #1 Amazon bestseller.

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I was quite impressed with a great deal of the material presented, which sharply criticized our pharmaceutical industry and its close allies in the public health bureaucracy. But what completely shocked me was that nearly half the text—some 200 pages—was devoted to presenting and promoting the astonishing claim that everything we have been told about HIV/AIDS for more than 35 years probably constituted a hoax. This latter issue became a central focus of my own review.

Yet according to the information provided in Kennedy’s #1 Amazon bestseller, this well-known and solidly-established picture, which I had never seriously questioned, is almost entirely false and fraudulent, essentially amounting to a medical media hoax. Instead of being responsible for AIDS, the HIV virus is probably harmless and had nothing to do with the disease. But when individuals were found to be infected with HIV, they were subjected to the early, extremely lucrative AIDS drugs, which were actually lethal and often killed them. The earliest AIDS cases had mostly been caused by very heavy use of particular illegal drugs, and the HIV virus had been misdiagnosed as being responsible. But since Fauci and the profit-hungry drug companies soon built enormous empires upon that misdiagnosis, for more than 35 years they have fought very hard to maintain and protect it, exerting all their influence to suppress the truth in the media while destroying the careers of any honest researchers who challenged that fraud. Meanwhile, AIDS in Africa was something entirely different, probably caused mostly by malnutrition or other local conditions.

I found Kennedy’s account as shocking as anything I have ever encountered.

Under normal circumstances, I would have been extremely reluctant to embrace such seemingly outlandish claims, but the credibility of some of the adherents was difficult to disregard.

However, the first endorsement on the back cover is from Prof. Luc Montagnier, the medical researcher who won a Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus in 1984, and he writes: “Tragically for humanity, there are many, many untruths emanating from Fauci and his minions. RFK Jr. exposes the decades of lies.” Moreover, we are told that as far back as the San Francisco International AIDS Conference of June 1990, Montagnier had publicly declared “the HIV virus is harmless and passive, a benign virus.”

Perhaps this Nobel Laureate endorsed the book for other reasons and perhaps the meaning of his striking 1990 statement has been misconstrued. But surely the opinion of the researcher who won a Nobel Prize for discovering the HIV virus should not be totally ignored in assessing its possible role.

As Kennedy explains, three additional science Nobel Laureates have also expressed similar public skepticism for the conventional HIV/AIDS narrative, one of them being Kary Mullis, the renowned creator of the revolutionary PCR test.

Despite the book’s tremendous success, it was initially ignored by the mainstream media. That silence was finally broken a month after publication, when the Associated Press released a 4,000 word hit-piece harshly attacking the author and his controversial bestseller.

Yet as I noted in my own response, that lengthy denunciation had entirely avoided the subject of HIV/AIDS, which surely constituted the most outrageous and explosive portion of Kennedy’s material. Six AP journalists and researchers had spent at least ten days producing the article, so their total silence on that topic struck me as extremely suspicious. If almost half of Kennedy’s book argued that HIV/AIDS was a medical media hoax and his harshest critics refused to challenge him on that score, any fair-minded reader must surely begin to suspect that at least some of the author’s remarkable claims were probably correct.

 

Prior to the recent Covid outbreak, AIDS had spent nearly four decades as the world’s highest-profile disease, and I began to wonder whether I might have been completely misled for all those years by my daily newspapers. I listened to Kennedy’s lengthy interviews with with Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, and Jimmy Dore, but none of those hosts ever touched on the AIDS issue, perhaps because they regarded it as a distraction from the more urgent topic of Covid vaccines and other controversial public health measures. Indeed, Kennedy himself had never previously been associated with the HIV/AIDS topic and he emphasized that his coverage was merely intended “to give air and daylight to dissenting voices” so I would need to consult other sources for additional information. Fortunately, his book clearly identified the most important figure in the debate.

One of the major scientific heroes in Kennedy’s account is Prof. Peter H. Duesberg of Berkeley. During the 1970s and 1980s, Duesberg had been widely regarded as among the world’s foremost virologists, elected to the prestigious National Academy of Sciences at age 50, making him one of its youngest members in history. As early as 1987 he began raising serious doubts about the HIV/AIDS hypothesis and highlighting the dangers of AZT, eventually publishing a series of journal articles on the subject that gradually won over many others, including Montagnier. In 1996 he published Inventing the AIDS Virus, a massive 712 page volume setting forth his case, with the Foreword provided by Nobel Laureate Kary Mullis, the renowned inventor of PCR technology and himself another leading public critic of the HIV/AIDS hypothesis. Duesberg even underscored the confidence of his HIV skepticism by offering to be injected with HIV-tainted blood.

But rather than openly debate such a strong scientific opponent, Fauci and his allies blacklisted Duesberg from receiving any government funding, thereby wrecking his research career, while also vilifying him and pressuring others to do the same. According to fellow researchers quoted by Kennedy, Duesberg was destroyed as a warning and an example to others. Meanwhile, Fauci deployed his influence to have his critics banned from the major national media, ensuring that few outside a narrow segment of the scientific community ever even became aware of the continuing controversy.

So the theory I needed to investigate amounted to the Duesberg Hypothesis, the long-suppressed challenger to our reigning HIV/AIDS orthodoxy.

Fortunately for my purposes, scientific heresies starved of research funding and blacklisted from leading journals tend to produce a very manageable body of work. The annual billions spent on orthodox AIDS research has spawned well over 100,000 academic journal articles, more than a diligent reader could digest in a dozen lifetimes. But the most recent academic publication I could locate on the other side was a lengthy review article published eighteen years ago by Duesberg and two of his collaborators. Indeed, according to their Epilogue, the authors had spent several years struggling to get their article into print against the unremitting hostility of the reigning AIDS establishment, which had successfully pressured two previous journals into cancelling publication.

Although I have a strong scientific background, I lack the necessary expertise in medicine or microbiology to properly evaluate their paper. But reading it carefully as a layman, I found it solid and persuasive, certainly worthy of publication. And when I passed it along to someone with a professional medical background, he considered it extremely impressive, a convincing exposition of the authors’ revolutionary thesis.

One of Duesberg’s central claims was that the disease known as “AIDS” didn’t actually exist, but was merely the official label attached to a group of more than two dozen different illnesses, all of which had a variety of different causes, with only some of these being infectious agents. Indeed, most of these illnesses had been known and treated for many decades, but they were only designated “AIDS” if the victim was also found to test positive for the HIV virus, which probably had nothing to do with the condition.

In support of their contrary position, the authors noted that the various groups at high risk for “AIDS” only tended to get particular versions of the disease, with the “AIDS” suffered by hemophiliacs usually being very different from the “AIDS” of African villagers and only slightly overlapping with the diseases of gay men or intervenous drug addicts. Indeed, the pattern of “AIDS” in Africa seemed utterly divergent from that in the developed world. But if all these different illnesses were actually caused by a single HIV virus, such completely disparate syndromes would seem puzzling anomalies, difficult to explain from a scientific perspective.

In 2009, a half-dozen years after the publication of that lengthy article, an independent film-maker named Brent Leung produced a 90 minute documentary on AIDS, strongly sympathetic to Duesberg’s thesis, and someone recently brought it to my attention. There is a great paucity of pro-Duesberg material, so although I only rarely find videos useful sources of information, this case was an important exception. The film highlighted the tremendous inconsistencies of the orthodox scientific position, and also included important interviews with Duesberg, Mullis, Fauci, and numerous other key researchers and journalists on all sides of the debate. The entire documentary is conveniently available on Youtube, so those interested can watch it and decide for themselves.

Journalist John Lauritsen had been covering the HIV/AIDS controversy for decades, writing two books on the subject and serving as an important source for Kennedy’s own work. He recently joined one of the discussion-threads on our website, and suggested that I republish his 2018 conference talk, which usefully summarized the history and current state of the issue.

 

Although I found all this pro-Duesberg material helpful in fleshing out the arguments, most of it overlapped with the contents of the Kennedy book, and the analysis was necessarily one-sided. Under pressure of the medical establishment and its AIDS lobby, the mainstream media has almost entirely shut its doors to any dissent on the issue and refuses to engage the critics, instead seeming to rely upon the blacklist and the boycott. This suggested the relative weakness of the orthodox case, but lacking the give-and-take of argument and counter-argument, I could not easily weigh the strength of the two sides. Fortunately, I discovered that this situation had been quite different in the past.

I spent most of the early 2000s creating a content-archiving system that includes near-complete collections of a couple of hundred of our leading opinion magazines of the last 150 years, those influential publications that have shaped our understanding of the world. The project was nearly a total failure since very few people have ever used it, but it still comes in handy when I want to investigate something, and I easily located a long list of articles focused on the Duesberg Hypothesis, most of them from the 1990s. During that period, the iron wall of censorship had not yet come down, and the topic had been widely and respectfully treated in major publications.

I carefully read more than a dozen of the most substantial articles, all of which had appeared in fully mainstream and respectable liberal, conservative, and libertarian periodicals. One major surprise was how little the debate seemed to have changed. The evidence and arguments that Duesberg and his scientific allies had been making thirty years ago seemed remarkably similar to what was presented in Kennedy’s book published only just last month.

The Summer 1990 issue of Policy Review, one of America’s most sober and influential conservative policy journals, had offered Duesberg and a co-author a platform for the controversial theory, and their resulting piece ran nearly 9,000 words. According to the editor, this topic provoked more letters and responses—both positive and negative—than anything in the publication’s history, and became one of their most talked-about articles. As a result, the next issue of the quarterly featured some of those reactions as well as the replies of the two authors, with the entire exchange running almost 13,000 words.

Several years later, a similar development unfolded at Reason, the glossy flagship publication of America’s libertarian movement. The magazine ran a long cover story endorsing Duesberg’s claims and authored by three of his scientific allies, one of them a former Harvard Medical School professor and another a recent Nobel Laureate. Once again the result was a huge outpouring of both supportive and critical reactions, and the lengthy debate was published in a subsequent issue.

The Lancet is one of the world’s leading medical journals and in 1996, the year after he become its chief editor, Richard Horton took to the pages of the intellectually-prestigious New York Review of Books to produce a 10,000 word discussion of Duesberg’s theories, as propounded in three of the researcher’s recent books and collections. Horton was obviously among the most respectable of establishmentarian figures, but although he mostly came down in support of the orthodox HIV/AIDS consensus, he presented Duesberg’s entirely contrary perspective in a fair-minded manner, respectfully though not uncritically.

However, what struck me most about Horton’s account was how appalled he seemed at Duesberg’s treatment by America’s ruling medical-industrial complex, as suggested by his title “Truth and Heresy about AIDS.”

The very first sentence of his long review article mentioned the “vast academic and commercial industry built around…HIV” along with the fundamental challenge Duesberg posed to its scientific basis. As a consequence, the “brilliant virologist” had become “the most vilified scientist alive” and the subject of “excoriating attacks.” The leading professional science journals had displayed an “alarmingly uneven attitude,” and partly as a consequence, other potential dissidents had been dissuaded from pursuing their alternative theories.

According to Horton, financial considerations had become a central element of the scientific process, and he noted with horror that a press conference on research questioning the effectiveness of a particular anti-AIDS drug was actually packed with financial journalists, focused on the efforts of the corporate executives to destroy the credibility of a study that they themselves had helped to design but which had now gone against their own product.

Most importantly, although Horton was generally skeptical of Duesberg’s conclusions, he was absolutely scathing towards the opponents of the dissident virologist.

One of the most disturbing aspects of the dispute between Duesberg and the AIDS establishment is the way in which Duesberg has been denied the opportunity to test his hypothesis. In a discipline governed by empirical claims to truth, experimental evidence would seem the obvious way to confirm or refute Duesberg’s claims. But Duesberg has found the doors of the scientific establishment closed to his frequent calls for tests…

Duesberg deserves to be heard, and the ideological assassination that he has undergone will remain an embarrassing testament to the reactionary tendencies of modern science…At a time when fresh ideas and new paths of investigation are so desperately being sought, how can the AIDS community afford not to fund Duesberg’s research?”

That ringing last sentence closed the entire review, which appeared in a prestigious and influential publication over a quarter-century ago. But as near as I can tell, Horton’s heartfelt criticism fell entirely on deaf ears, and the AIDS establishment simply ignored the entire controversy while gradually pressuring the media to end any coverage. This seems to fully confirm the narrative history provided in Kennedy’s current bestseller.

Taken together, these five articles run more than 45,000 words, the length of a short book, and probably provide as good and even-handed a debate on the Duesberg Hypothesis as can be found anywhere. Individual readers may judge for themselves, but I thought the that Duesberg camp certainly got the better of all those exchanges.

 

According to the AP article, Kennedy’s book probably sold nearly 200,000 copies during the first couple of weeks after its November 16th release. The book has regained the #1 spot on Amazon and held that position during much of December, so aggregate sales may now be more than double that figure.

But even if total copies in print eventually reaches a million or more, such numbers represent merely a tiny sliver of the many tens of millions of Americans who are blanketed each day with the messages heavily promoted by our electronic and social media, media organs that are blacklisting or boycotting the important material that Kennedy presents. So unless the defensive wall of the media can be successfully breached, the message of Kennedy’s book may largely be restricted to that fraction of the entire population already attuned to it, perhaps strengthening their resolve but gaining relatively few new adherents.

Several years ago I analyzed exactly this issue, outlining the difficulties of overcoming such a media blockade and the possible strategy to pursue, and some of my suggestions are worth quoting at length:

The mainstream media exists as a seamless whole, so weakening or discrediting the media in any particular area automatically reduces its influence everywhere else as well.

The elements of the media narrative faced by a particular anti-establishment group may be too strong and well-defended to attack effectively, and any such attacks might also be discounted as ideologically motivated. Hence, the more productive strategy may sometimes be an indirect one, attacking the media narrative elsewhere, at points where it is much weaker and less well-defended. In addition, winning those easier battles may generate greater credibility and momentum, which can then be applied to later attacks on more difficult fronts.

Certain portions of that media wall may be solid and vigorously defended by powerful vested interests, rendering assaults difficult. But other portions, perhaps older and more obscure, may have grown decrepit over time, with their defenders having drifted away. Breaching the wall at these weaker locations may be much easier, and once the barrier has been broken at several points, defending it at others becomes much more difficult.

For example, consider the consequences of demonstrating that the established media narrative is completely false on some major individual event. Once this result has been widely recognized, the credibility of the media on all other matters, even totally unrelated ones, would be somewhat attenuated. Ordinary people would naturally conclude that if the media had been so wrong for so long on one important point, it might also be wrong on others as well, and the powerful suspension of disbelief that provides the media its influence would become less powerful. Even those individuals who collectively form the corpus of the media might begin to entertain serious self-doubts regarding their previous certainties.

The crucial point is that such breakthroughs may be easiest to achieve in topics that seem merely of historical significance, and are totally removed from any practical present-day consequences.

Under the usual parameters of public debate, challenges to established orthodoxy are treated as “extraordinary claims” that must be justified by extraordinary evidence. This requirement may be unfair, but it constitutes the reality in many public exchanges, based upon the framework provided by the allegedly impartial media.

Since most of these controversies involve a wide range of complex issues and ambiguous or disputed evidence, it is often extremely difficult to conclusively establish any unorthodox theory, say to a confidence level of 95% or 98%. Therefore, the media verdict is almost invariably “Case Not Proven” and the challengers are judged defeated and discredited, even if they actually appear to have the preponderance of evidence on their side. And if they vocally contest the unfairness of their situation, that exact response is then subsequently cited by the media as further proof of their fanaticism or paranoia.

However, suppose that an entirely different strategy were adopted. Instead of attempting to make a case “beyond any reasonable doubt,” proponents merely provide sufficient evidence and analysis to suggest that there is a 30% chance or a 50% chance or a 70% chance that the unorthodox theory is true. The very fact that no claim of near certainty is being advanced provides a powerful defense against any plausible accusations of fanaticism or delusional thinking. But if the issue is of enormous importance and—as is usually the case—the unorthodox theory has been almost totally ignored by the media, despite apparently having at least a reasonable chance of being true, then the media may be effectively attacked and ridiculed for its laziness and incompetence. These charges are very difficult to refute and since no claim is being made that the unorthodox theory has necessarily been proven correct, merely that it might possibly be correct, any counter-accusations of conspiratorial tendencies would fall flat.

Indeed, the only means the media might have of effectively rebutting those charges would be to explore all the complex details of the issue (thereby helping to bring various controversial facts themselves to much wider attention) and then argue that there is only a negligible chance that the theory might be correct, perhaps 10% or less. Thus, the usual presumptive burden is completely reversed. And since most members of the media are unlikely to have ever paid much serious attention to the subject, their ignorant presentation may be quite weak and vulnerable to a knowledgeable deconstruction. Indeed, the most likely scenario is that the media will just continue to totally ignore the entire dispute, thereby reinforcing those plausible accusations of laziness and incompetence.

The primary audience of Kennedy’s book is America’s large and mobilized anti-vaxxing community, and many of those individuals may ignore his long discussion of the HIV/AIDS controversy, or even dismiss it as a distraction. But I think this is a serious strategic mistake. Instead, a major focus upon the questionable HIV/AIDS narrative and the contrary Duesberg Hypothesis may constitute the best means of discrediting America’s dominant medical establishment, and thereby enabling a reassessment of our vaccination policy. As I explained near the end of my review:

As an outside observer with no special expertise in these areas of medicine, I was impressed by much of the material that Kennedy marshaled in support of his unorthodox views on vaccines and Covid treatments, but found that the evidence he provided on HIV and AIDS was vastly more comprehensive and persuasive, while being backed by far more authoritative experts. But if as he argues, the truth about HIV and AIDS has been successfully suppressed for decades by the entire medical industry, we must necessarily become very suspicious about other medical claims, including those regarding Covid and vaccinations.

I even wonder if this might not represent part of the hidden subtext of the bitter current battle over vaxxing and the almost paranoid reaction of so many opponents. Those who have challenged the official scientific dogma on AIDS have long since been driven out of the public square so that few who draw their information from the mainstream media are even aware of the dispute. But the sort of divergent theories presented by Kennedy have probably circulated for years within particular segments of the population, and these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers. After absorbing the remarkable contents of Kennedy’s important book, I think these are not unreasonable concerns to have.

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  1. El Dato says:

    This is NOT a good conspiracy theory.

    Yes, yes … biology is a hoax, and so is science, viruses do not exist, cannot be “isolated” (not true), make up your own world etc.

    But still, let’s just chill.

    What’s next? Cold fusion? Homeopathy?

    As an outside observer with no special expertise in these areas of medicine

    That may be a problem. Most people do not have the necessary detachment and ACTUALLY BELIEVE what’s dished. People will die. That’s bad.

  2. El Dato says:

    Instead of being responsible for AIDS, the HIV virus is probably harmless and had nothing to do with the disease.

    Both of these things cannot be true:

    – HIV, which actually encodes its genetic material into your own DNA at random places, is harmless.

    – mRNA vaccines, which temporarily use the protein assembly chain, are harmful

  3. saggy says: • Website

    The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (PDF)

    That’s the bottom line for your 4,100 word article. It’s a joke. But let’s suppose it isn’t, in the interest of a meaningful discussion why don’t you summarize the most persuasive arguments for the Duesberg hypothesis.

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  4. Robjil says:

    these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers.

    Remdesivir is the AZT of time. A good example is to compare the results of the billion plus nation of China with the small nation of Ireland, under US empire “the science” rules. Ireland uses remdesivir, like a good lackey to US empire “the science”.

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ireland-just-surpassed-china-in-the-number-of-confirmed-covid-19-deaths-how-on-earth-did-that-happen-2021-04-21

    As of Sunday, Ireland had recorded 4,873 COVID-19-related deaths and 246,633 confirmed cases. China, meanwhile, had reported 4,845 official deaths — unchanged in at least a week — and only 102,373 cases, according to data aggregated by Johns Hopkins University.

    Well, China doesn’t worry about “patents”. It does things for its people that works.

    Page 66

    Even more importantly, remdesivir did not reduce the presence of the virus in the blood. Worst of all, the Chinese study confirmed remdesivir’s deadly toxicity.

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  5. Ed L. says:

    I spent most of the early 2000s creating a content-archiving system that includes near-complete collections of a couple of hundred of our leading opinion magazines of the last 150 years, those influential publications that have shaped our understanding of the world. The project was nearly a total failure since very few people have ever used it….

    Ron –

    I have viewed your PDF Archives and find it a valued resource. The effort you put into that project certainly has been very worthwhile for this reader. My only frustration is that every now and again I can’t access the pdf of an article I am interested in due to copyright issues.

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  6. Getaclue says:
    @El Dato

    Just glibly throwing out utter unsupported bs as the first comment–GTFOH

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  7. Wokechoke says:
    @El Dato

    The emergence of AIDS and HIV should have led to the liquidation and suppression of homosexuals. Instead it lead to them being heroes at the top of many institutions. For spreading a disease.

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  8. Instead of being responsible for AIDS, the HIV virus is probably harmless and had nothing to do with the disease.

    It’s been a while, but I don’t recall that as Duesburg’s hypothesis. I recall he described it as an opportunistic virus that a healthy adult would probably fight off. But a homosexual with an over-stimulated and eventually overwhelmed immune system from numerous, exotic bacterial infections and chronic use of recreational drugs would succumb.

    By the way, that’s why I refuse to have my immune system constantly stimulated by Fauci’s “boosters” keeping me in a semi-febrile state all year, every year. There’s a sweet spot for immune system “exercise.” All these masked, jabbed, distanced people eventually really will be unable to leave their houses and unable to risk touching anyone.

    One criticism of Duesburg’s hypothesis came from story’s like Elizabeth Glaser’s and her children. His explanation was that a blood transfusion necessarily involves a compromised individual.

    Duesburg was excommunicated for daring to suggest that AIDS was a lifestyle disease occasioned by the appalling and astoundingly promiscuous sexual practices of gay men. Public health officials refused to close down the bathhouses and bars and point out the obvious vectors. This was when Fauci’s lucrative tenure began, by the way.

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  9. Robjil says:

    RJK jr mentions another drug that works like AZT. It is Neviraphine. It was used in Dr. Fauci’s drug trials in 2003. Remdesvirir is the newest such drug. It works in a similar way. The book’s research on the abuse of “patented” AIDS drugs certainly matches the same results as Remdesvivir. All these “patent drugs” were killer drugs and nothing more than that. The book is a wake up call that the “US empire” patent system for drugs is not working for the people’s interests at all.

    page 267

    In 2003, an HIV positive African American mother in Memphis, Tennessee, died during one of Fauci’s Neviraphine drug trials.
    In April of that year, Joyce Ann Hafford – four months pregnant and and already a mother of a gifted thirteen year old – was shocked to learn she had tested positive following a routine HIV test recommended by her physician

    This is something to remember next time a doctor asks you to a test for HIV.

    page 267

    Hafford was healthy and symptom-free. None of her subsequent tests ever showed any clinical markers of AIDS and Dr. Thorpe ( Dr. Fauci’s local PI- Pharmaceutical Inspectorate) never told Hafford that the HIV test measured only for the presence of antibodies ans was not a reliable indicator of HIV infection.

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  10. @El Dato

    Try doing us readers the courtesy of confining your commenting to when you are sober. Do you not embarrass yourself when you reread stuff like your two opening comments?

  11. sflicht says:

    Ron, you might be interested in the (non-mathematical) essays of mathematician Serge Lang, collected in this book: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/737510.Challenges. In the 1990s Lang was a strong proponent of fully investigating the Duesberg hypothesis.

  12. Although I have a strong scientific background, I lack the necessary expertise in medicine or microbiology to properly evaluate their paper.

    You keep saying that, and you are right, and you remind me of this:

    Duesberg did indeed have some provocative theories 30 years ago. But the science has moved on from there.

    HIV/AIDS is transmitted via a blood born virus, in exactly the same way as hepatitis B.

    Yes, homosexual practices did and do provide a vector for the virus to be transmitted from one person to another. And intravenous drug use with contaminated needles and syringes.

    However there are now 41 antiviral drugs for HIV in use, and when taken in combinations, they can suppress the effect of the virus indefinitely and stop it from destroying CD4 cells which are necessary to resist infections.

    Duesberg was involved in advising President Mbeki of South Africa not to “waste” money on antivirals, and as a result of the late start in dispensing antivirals in that country, it has suffered, and continues to suffer from the world’s worst AIDS epidemic.

    What does Duesberg have to say about that? What does Kennedy have to say about that?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

    The reason that Kennedy Jr.’s book has been largely ignored by the publishing and medical industries is that the man is a known conspiracy theorist nutcase who has been churning out stuff like this for years.

    Can you think of any opinion Web sites that are largely ignored by the mainstream press for the same reason?

    The Unz Review has been a useful source of alternative opinions over the years, but is now probably being superseded by Substack.

    Jumping the shark is not the solution.

    Jumping the shark is an idiom that was coined in 1985 by Jon Hein. He developed it in response to a 1977 episode from the fifth season of the American sitcom Happy Days, in which Fonzie (Henry Winkler) jumps over a shark while on water-skis.

    The phrase “jumping the shark” is used to argue that a creative outlet or work appears to be making a misguided attempt at generating new attention or publicity for something that is perceived to be once, but no longer, widely popular.

    It is pejorative, and is most commonly used in reference to perceived unsuccessful gimmicks for promoting something, by critics who believe that a television show has strayed irretrievably from an older and better formula, that its writers have exhausted their focus, or that the series as a whole has declined in quality.[Wikipedia]

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  13. PeterAG says:

    Ron Unz is, I beleive , successfully provoking an interesting debate.
    In order to do that it seems very logical to post oppositional items and to study what responses are returned.
    Therefore it appears to me that it makes sense to, initially, analyse the world in terms of single tier conspiracies.

    However if there are conspiracies and they are, say, two-tier conspiracies, then we will inadvertently function as useful fools.

    We know that big brother has us monitored.
    The smartest among big brothers helpers has an idea about how we interpret the published info and how we tend to see conspiracy behind it.

    It doesnt take too much fantasy to add a layer does it?

    It may be of interest to mention that the Wistar institute was actually well-funded by the US military from the late 50s.

    This is not to suggest that the military and the rearchers there ever deliberately created HIV as a bioweapon.

    But this military connection provides a clue to why there was never any official admission and nor any official test of the available samples that would have settled the issue.

    In addition there was another institute, the ICR I think its name was, which lay only a few blocks away from Wistar. It too was funded by the military.

    The fact that the military funded it makes a case for an intention to make use of the knowledge obtained from the experience with OPV-experiments.

    And also makes a case for why it was deemed important to hide the truth.

    I am not suggesting that Duesberg would necessarily have been a deception artist but there are signs that both Kari Mullis and Montaigner have deliberately wanted to undermine their own credibility.

    According to one recent commenter, Zachary Smith, Kari Mullis has expounded on the virtues of LSD and astrology

    And according to other websources Montaigner has ideas about water memory and how DNA may have its coding altered by remote longwave signals.

    So suddenly inside a sealed vessel DNA might suddenly mutate by radio control transmitted from another DNA-molecule outside the vessel.

    Rupert Sheldrake is at least not(?) specifying such a mechanism for unconventional biology.

    If there is an understanding among the elites that people cant handle the truth and better never learn it, then there may be a well-funded operation ongoing for deliberately confusing everybody.

    I see many other signs of that for example the issue of the so called scalar wave experiments and the idea of being able to produce above unity energy extraction from electromagnetic signals.

  14. Dutch Boy says:

    Part of Fauci’s AIDS program was the testing of toxic anti-HIV drugs on helpless foster children in the USA (including the placing of gastric feeding tubes in the recalcitrant to administer the drugs) and doing the same to African children, some of whom died. Compare the outrage over the abuse of beagles with the silence over this outrage.

  15. Although I have a strong scientific background, I lack the necessary expertise in medicine or microbiology to properly evaluate their paper.

    I can’t even claim to have a strong scientific background, but I remember checking out this issue about fifteen years ago following some debates on blogs between prominent denialist Harvey Bialy and supporters of the HIV/AIDS theory. Not easy going, since so much of it went over my head, but my overall impression was that they had Harvey on the run, getting caught mischaracterizing the evidence and then trying to change the subject, etc. Because I really had no way of evaluating the scientific discussion, my conclusion that the established theory is probably correct was based on denialists presenting their position as a slam-dunk case against HIV, but when forced to defend themselves against people who know what they’re talking about, they didn’t seem nearly so sure of themselves.

    And also, the best argument against the denialists seems to be, if you think HIV is completely harmless, then why not deliberately contract it and demonstrate to the world the strength of your convictions? If you think you absolutely know for sure it’s harmless, then there would be nothing to worry about. So the refusal of any of them to do this should surely count against the denialists.

  16. @PeterAG

    there may be a well-funded operation ongoing for deliberately confusing everybody.

    Agreed–one of their techniques is to push false information and then knock it down as a “crazy conspiracy theory”. I would put “flat Earth” and “Q” as two recent examples. They do not need to create the phony theory–all they need to do is find one and then publicize it to the max.

    In the early days of the Internet many of us were very excited about the possibilities for learning the truth about all sorts of issues with vigorous discussion and debate.

    The “Deep State” types are working 24/7 to make that task as difficult as possible with disinformation, trolls, misinformation, name calling, finger pointing, pounding on the table, and yelling and screaming incoherently.

    For those who have not seen it, DC Dave (who posts here now and then) has an excellent list of the disinformation techniques used by the mass media:

    https://dcdave.com/article3/991228.html

    Back on the main topic of this thread–I have an old well worn copy of the Duesberg’s book on AIDs. It is good to see that his views are being actively discussed. RFK Jr. was correct to use that to set the stage for the current discussion on vaccines.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @W
  17. Alfred says:
    @El Dato

    What’s next? … Homeopathy?

    It is clear that the official story about the properties of water are incomplete. Researchers who have demonstrated that water can store information – even when diluted to an extreme degree – have been demonised or ignored precisely in the same way that Duesberg has been.

    Scientists researching different things kept on encountering similar phenomenon. Other scientists have shied off as those who finance research don’t want these investigations.

    Due to the incredible nature of this published paper, the editor of Nature, John Maddox, prefaced it with an editorial comment entitled ‘When to believe the unbelievable’, which admitted: “There is no objective explanation of these observations.” (1988)

    Does Water Have Memory? (2021)

  18. Ron, just a quick and hearty “Thanks” for sharing with us your journey of discovery yet again.

    After having just finished my last time responding to Laurent Guyenot on his utterly insipid, “How LBJ Mooned America”, reading your newest offering was like taking a nice hot shower after shoveling manure on the farm all afternoon on a sweltering summer’s day……. just so refreshing!

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  19. And now we are told that the Covid-19 PCR test is being withdrawn because it does not distinguish between Influenza and SARS-CoV-2.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/bombshell-cdc-no-longer-recognizes-the-pcr-test-as-a-valid-method-for-detecting-confirmed-covid-19-cases/5765179

    • Thanks: Nancy
  20. Dumbo says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    AIDS in Africa was in large part a scam, numbers were hugely inflated, because they got international money to treat patients with supposed AIDS. Maybe they had other diseases, but it was called AIDS.

    In a way it resembles Covid, where also the numbers were hugely inflated, and for the same reason. If you subsidize something, you get more of it.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  21. [MSM] exists as a seamless whole, so weakening or discrediting the media in any particular area automatically reduces its influence everywhere else as well.

    Abolish gov funding of scientific research, i.e. political science.

    Consistent with the author’s above observation, that new space telescope, glorified by star-struck reporters (and named after a lawyer-insider), needs to be supernova’d for its unrepentant, \$10B flush of tax dollars; up from its original flush-tag of \$400M.

    (It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the telescope’s true mission is to look [down] the other way, and that a chunk of the project’s cost was put up by the NSA. Once again, reporters reveal themselves to be useful idiots and the MSM simply a propaganda arm of the gov.)

    • Agree: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  22. RAD1 says:

    Firm disagreement. 1) an enormous portion of the human genome encodes for retroviruses, not only benign but may be adaptive, activated when necessary. 2) The Perth group makes an excellent argument that HIV has never been isolated using well described techniques of retro viral isolation (ultracentrifugation in a density gradient medium, separating out the density band unique to retroviruses, viewing in an electron microscope to ensure identical entities in the band, then characterizing the proteins and nucleic acid composition). Duesberg believes HIV exists using other diagnostic criteria. 3) both believe that HIV (if it exists) is benign. 3) Luc Montagnier who received the 2008 Nobel prize for his work on the “HIV” genome admitted in an interview in Zenger’s that he never actually isolated HIV.

    In 2005 two studies were done: 1) injected spike proteins of corona viruses were shown to cause inflammatory reactions along with platelet activation and pathological clotting, especially in lungs and the lining of blood vessels 2) even the antibodies produced to spike proteins were similarly toxic. Ray Peat, Ph.D. stated in 2021 that after 2005 injecting spike proteins into humans (J & J, AstraZeneca) would be considered crazy and injecting nucleic acids coding for spike proteins (Pfizer and Moderna) criminally insane. Montagnier notes that it would be possible, since humans contain reverse transcriptase, for mRNA to be converted to DNA and incorporated into the human genome continuously coding for spike proteins forever.

    Personal bias: a very close family friend, 37 y.o. Mother with two young children died of vaccine induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (official diagnosis) 7 days after receiving the J & J vaccine.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
    • Replies: @AG2522
    , @Linux_Tyro
  23. I’ve been very critical of Ron Unz’s takes throughout the plandemic era, but here I will simply say “bravo” and thank you for a well-written and well-argued piece.

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  24. A personal anecdote on this most interesting, and sad, topic.

    My closest friend had as his roommate a gay gentleman with whom he had been friends since kindergarten. My friend (as straight an arrow as can be imagined, with a scorchingly hot girlfriend!) and his roommate, were absolutely fastidious in eating incredibly healthy (only fresh organic fruits, vegetables and the finest meats and seafood prepared to perfection. Gays can really cook!), exercising on a daily basis, and generally were into very healthy lifestyles. The only thing done ‘wrong’ by the roommate was the fact he was gay and engaged in gay sex with multiple partners, which (he later admitted) was sometimes unprotected. This gentleman was employed at Cal-Tech and likely had a 140+IQ, as he aced all his SATs and got straight A’s without trying. Yet he died of AIDs, after a protracted illness.

    Consequently, I always thought AIDs was real, that is, until I read your fine analysis of RFK, Jrs’ book and now this article by you. You have prompted me to give my old buddy a call to find out if his roommate was ever on that AZT crap, as I simply do not recall.

    All I know is that a guy who appeared to daily work hard at keeping himself healthy through every manner aside from his gay lifestyle, got nailed and died from what was diagnosed as AIDs and for which I know he received some form of treatment that did not save him, and maybe was the actual reason he died so very young. If he did use that AZT and went downhill from there, my good buddy might know, and I’ll share that if I can get in touch with my friend in a reasonable time, given the holidays.

    Otherwise, thanks again for another mind-expanding trip…..

  25. SteveK9 says:
    @Robjil

    In RFK Jr.’s book the funniest line is what nurses call Remdesivir … ‘Run, death is near’.

    • Replies: @res
  26. Wokechoke says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    The common factor is taking it up the ass.

  27. @Jonathan Mason

    However there are now 41 antiviral drugs for HIV in use, and when taken in combinations, they can suppress the effect of the virus indefinitely and stop it from destroying CD4 cells which are necessary to resist infections.

    The success of multi-antiretroviral therapy is both the product of the mainstream theory that HIV causes AIDS, and the vindication of that theory. In contrast, Peter Duesberg’s theories have not led to anything useful.

    It is a pity that Duesberg’s theories have been revived by an expert storyteller from a famous family. Refutations will follow, but slowly: possibly in the form of books or TV documentaries, which take time to produce.

    • Disagree: thotmonger
    • Troll: Nancy
    • Replies: @fredtard
    , @Jack Sparrow
  28. Wokechoke says:
    @silviosilver

    All this to avoid calling it a disease spread by gays

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  29. SteveK9 says:

    The portion of the book on HIV/AIDS is large, but it is certainly not even remotely the most important part. Covid is the exact same game, except written on a much grander scale. And Covid is not just about money as was/is AIDS. Covid is about imposing an authoritarian, totalitarian medical tyranny on the Western World. To paraphrase Naomi Wolf … the introduction of vaccine ‘passports’ will mean the end of human freedom. Possibly forever. Many other people recognize this as well, but you can’t say it better than that.

  30. @Robjil

    The only flaw in your argument – and I do not disagree with your basic premise about the Pharma-Medical Industrial Complex, which operates much like the Military Industrial Complex (both controlled by Wall Street, by the way) – is unquestionably accepting China’s figures as accurate any more than we accept those coming from the regime in DC. This is a serious flaw. While China – or at least dominant elements of the Chinese ruling class – may well oppose the Rotten Banana Empire, others there seem to be working in concert with it, even now. Though Sinovax is different from those pushed by Big Pharma, the vaccination regimen is heavily enforced by the government there as it is in the supposedly “free” world.

    In light of the very suspicious origins of COVID-19 (a likely bioweapon), questioning the official narrative about HIV/AIDs makes a lot of sense. Unz’s own COVID theory is that the bioweapon was deployed by Imperial Deep State against China. The alternative explanation being that it was an accidental leak from the Wuhan lab. The original natural-origin theory, though heavily discredited, has not been entirely dropped by Western media through. The fact that gain-of-function viral research (such research is illegal or at least highly restricted in the USA itself) was being funded with US funds under the control of Fauci and his colleagues at the CDC raises a host of questions about Chinese complicity, Xi’s extent of control (Xi is after all portrayed as having at least the absolute power of Mao, even in China), and the involvement and objectives of folks like Fauci, his various Big Pharma associates and various oligarchs involved in controlling medicine (Gates, Schwab, et al).

    The Chinese government (like all governments) has a long history of falsifying various records – often just in order to not lose face internationally. The most logical position to take is to question the figures and data coming from all sides of the argument, including China (who might well have been a target of Deep State actions). Xi’s alleged total control is not as all-encompassing as his government might want everyone to think. Why, in light of increasing US hostility, would they continue to allow Fauci and his associates to fund and participate in what amounts to bio-weapon research in China’s man transportation hub?

    Back to the HIV/AIDs issue, it is curious that a disease which is primarily associated with lifestyles of promiscuity, drug use, etc. concentrated in a relatively small population segment received considerably more public funding in terms of both research and treatment than far more widespread public health problems. The involvement of Fauci, whose conflicts of interest easily rival those of the most correct swamp dwellers in Washington, likewise raises many questions. Also, in a supposedly open society which regularly prides itself about “democracy” and “open inquiry”, aggressive attempts to silence and memory-hole research which runs contrary to the designated “mainstream” and who, exactly is responsible for such aggressive silencing attempts should likewise raise a host of questions.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  31. Alfred says:
    @Wokechoke

    The emergence of AIDS and HIV should have led to the liquidation and suppression of homosexuals.

    I don’t go along with “liquidiation”. But I do think that young people should have been properly informed as to the likely outcomes of their choices. Also, I think women should have been made aware of their bisexual partner(s). Protecting people with destructive personal habits – drug misuse, alcoholism and bisexual promiscuity – is not a good idea.

    I guess I am a bit “old fashioned”

    • Agree: Emslander, Sarah
  32. @saggy

    No. Saggy, I presume, refers to your overall mental condition. Drugs, chemo, & malnutrition can in fact be directly linked to AIDs conditions.

  33. Emslander says:
    @Justvisiting

    I’m sure that the single most used technique by the Deep State is to begin every discussion of the dissenter’s position claiming that he/she is a crackpot and a dilletante. We’ve already seen Dr. Mason on this thread going with that gambit.

    It’s very clear that RFK, Jr. is neither a crackpot nor a dilletante. For forty years he’s been a respected environmental lawyer and, lately, a beloved advocate for children harmed by Fauci’s vaccine regime. Tucker Carlson said that RFK, Jr. is the bravest man currently in public life.

    • Thanks: Fart Blossom
  34. @Wokechoke

    I don’t understand. Are you saying the HIV denialist is camp is going through an elaborate charade to avoid admitting AIDS is mostly a gay disease? Or are you accusing me of unwillingness to admit AIDS is mostly a gay disease?

  35. “the astonishing claim that everything we have been told about HIV/AIDS for more than 35 years probably constituted a hoax.”

    As a teenager in the 1980s I studied AIDS stats provided by the government and realized AIDS posed no threat to me as I don’t pack fudge or use IV drugs, and thus I mocked AIDS in public every chance I got….. exactly like the virus hoax where from day one I mocked “covid” because government stats – again! – proved I cannot die of the sniffes. I invented the term facediaper and I still to this day slap mocking stickers on any and all CoronaHoax notices.

    Some people are born with keen BS detectors and others – like Unz, Sailer, et al – love love love the aroma of BS and lap it up indiscriminately.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  36. @SteveK9

    Even if we agree with you that Covid-19 is an imaginary illness, just suppose that they was a real epidemic of a deadly virus.

    How would public health authorities deal with it in non totalitarian way? If they just sent out invitation cards for life-saving vaccines, would everybody show up?

    Throughout human history when they have been deadly epidemics, there have been social upheavals, and all sorts of conspiracy theories about the epidemic as people panicked and sought for mental defense mechanisms that would help them handle the stress.

    There are some people who, if they were offered a lifeboat seat on the Titanic, would still prefer to swim for the shore on their own in icy waters in case the lifeboat hit an iceberg. Some people are like that.

  37. Robjil says:
    @Exalted Cyclops

    The Chinese government (like all governments) has a long history of falsifying various records – often just in order to not lose face internationally.

    I don’t think they need to do so in this case. The Chinese are not “afraid” of using non- patented drugs.

    page 24

    In May 2020, a Chinese expert consensus group recommended doctors use HCQ routinely for mild, moderate and severe cases of COVID-19 pneumonia.

    Africans also no “fear” of using non-patents. It is all about the “patents”.

    page 33
    Senegal and Nigeria, for example, both use HCQ and had COVID fatality rates that were significantly lower than those experienced in the USA.

    Similarly, despite the fact that hygiene in those nations is often far inferior, in Ethopia, Mozambique, Niger, Congo, and Ivory Coast, there are far fewer per capita deaths than in the US.

  38. AG2522 says:
    @RAD1

    RAD1,

    Do you have citations for the two 2005 papers and for the recent statements by Ray Peat and Luc Montagnier?

    Here’s a link to a controversial May 2021 paper by a reputable scientist, Rudolph Jaenisch, in a reputable journal that claims that “SARS-CoV-2 RNA can be reverse-transcribed and integrated into the genome of the infected cell and be expressed as chimeric transcripts fusing viral with cellular sequences.” If true, this could lead to the consequences that Montagnier postulates.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2105968118

    [MORE]

    If you are the RAD who frequently cites Columbia virologist Vincent Racaniello and his YouTube show This Week in Virology (TWiV), you might be interested in the two shows (TWiV 696 and TWiV 756) where Racaniello has discussed the Jaenisch PNAS paper and its earlier preprint at bioRxiv. Here are links to the discussions.

    TWiV 696

    TWiV 756

    In both of these shows the assembled virologists are all deeply sceptical that there’s any retrointegration of the Covid RNA, but their arguments occasionally veer into subtle ad hominum attacks on Jaenisch and on PNAS itself. It doesn’t appear that Vincent Racaniello or any of the other virologists on the show are members of the NAS.

    I think ad hominum attacks have their place at times, but they also often indicate that their proponents don’t have stronger arguments to make. One of the ad hominum arguments put out by one of the TWiV virologists in TWiV 756 was that PNAS used to be an “old boys club” and that occasional junk science used to be published in PNAS because it used to be the case that members of the NAS were able to publish anything they wanted without any peer review. I remember reading about this issue years ago because Linus Pauling was notorious for publishing junky papers about Vitamin C. I also remember that because of junky papers by NAS members, PNAS changed their policies and now all papers need to pass peer review.

    The virologist who talked about the “old boys club” said that even now, with the peer review, there’s a much lower bar to publication for NAS members, like Jaenisch. He did, however, aver in a somewhat dismissive way, that the Jaenisch PNAS paper had been peer reviewed. When he did so, Racaniello just sort of said “yea, yea” and in doing so sort of implied that he agreed with the implication that Jaenisch may have not received the careful vetting that a non-member of the NAS would have received.

    I think this behavior by Racaniello is strange, at best. While I was watching the show I looked at my copy of Principles of virology, 4th, 2015. Racaniello is a co-author of this textbook. Another of the four primary co-authors is Anna Marie Skalka. Skalka was one of the two peer reviewers of the Jaenisch PNAS paper and I think it’s quite strange that Racaniello didn’t stand up for her during the conversation. You’d think that if Racaniello thought she was qualified enough to be a co-author of his textbook, he’d at least have some respect for her review of the Jaenisch paper.

    • Thanks: W
    • Replies: @RAD1
  39. Nancy says:

    This current suppression of ‘alternative’ theories, treatments, etc. is actually Anti-Science. Doesn’t Real Science, typically, only progress by ‘disproving’ it’s latest ‘discoveries’ ? Or, as someone said, we only advance beyond the current science paradigm(s) when the old guard dies off. Serving Mammon corrupts everything eventually.

  40. It’s an area to which I had not previously paid any close attention as I was busy with other projects so I had no reason to ever question the mainstream view of things but my recent reading of this truly startling theory has lead me to wonder whether it may overturn the entire established orthodoxy in the whole field. I don’t have any expertise in the subject myself so I can’t really say who’s right or wrong but it seems to me that the heterodox challengers make an important and compelling case. I will now give you a list of books and articles I’ve read. To tell you the truth it’s all a bit baffling. Anyway, I’m certainly not making any unequivocal claims either way myself but there’s definitely something fishy going on. Make up your own mind.

    Many such Ron Unz articles. I don’t know what to make of it all, but I sure love this website.

  41. man says:

    RonUnz, is this article some sort of apology for your previous one on Kennedy’s book?
    I personally don’t buy it and I will tell you why. Too many people have died . Too much sufferings. You have tried to deny it. You have been defending murderers .

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  42. @Jonathan Mason

    invitation cards for life-saving vaccines, would everybody show up?

    Herd immunity says that if the vaccines actually worked and two thirds of the population “showed up” any contagious disease is burnt toast.

    Of course just mentioning herd immunity these days is probably enough to get you banned on Twatter and Farcebook.

  43. Solon says:

    So a few comments up the chain someone wrote, “the best argument against the denialists seems to be, if you think HIV is completely harmless, then why not deliberately contract it and demonstrate to the world the strength of your convictions? If you think you absolutely know for sure it’s harmless, then there would be nothing to worry about. So the refusal of any of them to do this should surely count against the denialists.”

    Actually, Dr. Duesberg told me personally decades ago in a very public setting that he was willing to do exactly that — to be injected with the live HIV virus to falsify the AIDS – HIV hypothesis.

    Dr. Rasnick made the same offer.

    I am very grateful to both Ron Unz and RFK, Jr. for retrieving this issue from the establishment’s memory hole.

  44. Ron Unz says:

    Someone alerted to me an excellent hour long interview of Duesberg from 2011 on Red Ice Radio. Here’s the link, though it requires a members login:

    https://redicemembers.com/shows/red-ice-interviews/the-invention-of-aids

    Also, I discovered that Peter Duesberg has a simple website, containing quite a lot of republished articles and other useful links on the HIV/AIDS controversy:

    https://www.duesberg.com/index.html

    https://www.duesberg.com/media/index.html

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @bombthe3gorgesdam
  45. Rich says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    The homosexual act itself is the opposite of a “healthy” lifestyle. The rectum is not a sex organ. Human waste is not clean. Of course male homosexual acts would cause disease. It’s a miracle they all aren’t sick of something.

    • Agree: Sarah
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
    , @Skeptikal
  46. @Solon

    Actually, Dr. Duesberg told me personally decades ago in a very public setting that he was willing to do exactly that — to be injected with the live HIV virus to falsify the AIDS – HIV hypothesis.

    The announcement is a great advertising ploy, but the real question is: did he actually go through with it? If not, why not?

    (I think – but please don’t quote me – Harvey Bialy made the same “offer,” but never followed through. Either that, or he had some elaborate excuse for not doing it. Neither of which made him look good. It would be one thing if the denialist position was “I’m not so sure of the HIV-AIDS link.” But they generally treat the HIV-AIDS theory as completely preposterous, in which case it is fair to ask why none of them ever deliberately contracted it.)

    • Replies: @Reggie
  47. Thomasina says:
    @silviosilver

    You must not have read the article because, if you had, you would have seen this:

    “Duesberg even underscored the confidence of his HIV skepticism by offering to be injected with HIV-tainted blood.”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  48. @Emblematic

    Many such Ron Unz articles. I don’t know what to make of it all, but I sure love this website.

    Seems to me with this one, Ron’s covered all the major “conspiracy theories” out there. (Well, there’s still Bigfoot. How about giving that one a whirl for you next venture, Ron?) They all follow the familiar pattern: “so I was just poking around and I came across this, and I don’t know too much about it but I began reading and, well, golly it seems to me that….”, and Ron’s off to the races, swallowing it all whole. The only conspiracy theory to beat the trend was the Moon landing – I guess that was too much, even for Ron.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  49. res says:
    @silviosilver

    And also, the best argument against the denialists seems to be, if you think HIV is completely harmless, then why not deliberately contract it and demonstrate to the world the strength of your convictions? If you think you absolutely know for sure it’s harmless, then there would be nothing to worry about. So the refusal of any of them to do this should surely count against the denialists.

    Perhaps you did not read the article all that closely?

    Duesberg even underscored the confidence of his HIV skepticism by offering to be injected with HIV-tainted blood.

    P.S. This article really brought the “believe the narrative” trolls out of the woodwork. Interesting.

  50. res says:
    @SteveK9

    Thanks. That quote appears on page 141 of the PDF.

    Searching Google for Run-death-is-near is interesting. The only completion offered is “does remdesivir increase mortality.” I wonder if they hardcoded that one.

    But only two of the search results on the first page match the exact search text. This is the more interesting.
    https://offbeatbusiness.com/run-death-is-near-social-impact-podcast/

    Trump took remdesivir. Did any other high level government officials?

  51. schrub says:

    Ron

    Alternate funding source used by Nick Fuentes since he was banned by other payment sources..

    https://streampayments.live/#/login

  52. Ron Unz says:
    @silviosilver

    Seems to me with this one, Ron’s covered all the major “conspiracy theories” out there. (Well, there’s still Bigfoot. How about giving that one a whirl for you next venture, Ron?)…The only conspiracy theory to beat the trend was the Moon landing – I guess that was too much, even for Ron.

    That’s a strange way of looking at it…

    I’ll admit that unlike you I wasn’t even aware that there was an “HIV/AIDS Conspiracy Theory,” which simply demonstrates my ignorance, and I only discovered it by reading the 200 pages of America’s #1 bestseller, hardly great proof of my brilliant sleuthing ability.

    Offhand, it seems to me that if FOUR science Nobel Laureates, including the actual discoverer of the HIV virus, publicly declare that they doubt HIV causes AIDS, perhaps it’s worth considering the possibility that they might be correct. And if you can find four science Nobel Laureates who declare that Bigfoot exists, I’ll also be willing to explore that theory.

  53. @Thomasina

    You don’t see the difference between offering to inject yourself with HIV and actually doing it? My question is did he actually do it, not did he offer to.

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  54. @El Dato

    Americans, I daily pray and hope the Chinese wipe you loser Jew cock-sucking scum from the face of this earth. And tomorrow better than the next day may this happen

    BTW, how are the loser 1/6 prisoners getting on. Or should I say, how are they getting urinated on?

    It has been noted that you white American cowards don’t do anything to help them. When it’s not 3rd World freedom fighters you are up against, you are good for nothing.

    Where I am, I’m just itching to meet a White American on the street. I’LLKTSFB.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. anon[690] • Disclaimer says:

    @Wokechoke #28

    “All this to avoid calling it a disease spread by gays. ”

    If I remember correctly, before it got sanitized of its “homophobic” connotation (or denotation, actually), what we now know as AIDS was called GRIDS – Gay-Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Remember when
  56. @Ron Unz

    Offhand, it seems to me that if FOUR science Nobel Laureates, including the actual discoverer of the HIV virus, publicly declare that they doubt HIV causes AIDS, perhaps it’s worth considering the possibility that they might be correct.

    But that doesn’t mean that they are talking about something in their own area of scientific expertise. Even the guy who discovered the HIV virus may be more of a microbiology guy than a clinical guy working with patients. In fact the virus was discovered at the Pasteur Institute in Paris,

    And what is a Nobel prize? Is Barack Obama an expert on peacekeeping?

    You seem to have an exaggerated deference to these Nobel prizewinners, but are there no other Nobel prizewinners who disagree? What of cowinner of the prize for discovering the HIV virus, Françoise Barré-Sinoussi? What does she say?

    Well, judging by her subsequent publications, for example a study of the transmission of AIDS from mother to baby, she is not in accord with her fellow prizewinner, so don’t they cancel each other out?

    In the article linked below indicates that she believes in the treatment of AIDS by using antiviral drugs that target HIV.

    https://www.jamaicaobserver.com/editorial/HIV-AIDS--Let-s-beat-the-world-to-a-cure_71605

    At the time of the discovery of the HIV virus, there was an acrimonious dispute that went on for some years between the Pasteur Institute team and the Maryland team of Robert Gallo who was awarded his second Lasker Award in 1986 for “determining that the retrovirus now known as HIV-1 is the cause of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).”

    Though best known for his co-discovery of HIV, Dr. Gallo and his team pioneered the development of the HIV blood test, which enabled health care workers for the first time to screen for the AIDS virus – leading to a more rapid diagnosis while simultaneously protecting patients receiving blood transfusions. His research also helped physicians develop HIV therapies to prolong the lives of those infected with the virus.

    In 1996, his discovery that a natural compound known as chemokines can block HIV and halt the progression of AIDS was hailed by Science magazine as one of that year’s most important scientific breakthroughs.

    So no wonder, perhaps, that Monagnier didn’t enjoy Gallo getting the credit for proving that the HIV virus caused AIDS and getting a big award for himself, even if the Lasker award does not meet Ron’s Nobel standard of credibility.

    In fact subsequently to the Nobel Prize, Montagnier has been associated with a number of loony ideas and conspiracy theories, so perhaps it all went to his head.

    But really, going by a vote on the personal beliefs of Nobel prize winners is not the way science is done these days, old chap. And if it was, we would have to do a survey of all the Nobel Prize winners for Medicine or Physiology, over, say, the last 20 years, and whatever result we arrived at would still be meaningless.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Ron Unz
    , @thotmonger
  57. I was working at Merck when Crixivan was developed as the first HIV protease inhibitor. There was never any doubt among the scientists working on this disease that it was caused by HIV and the dramatic change in the survival curve after starting Crixivan strongly indicates that HIV is the causative agent. I agree with some early critics that there were many deaths due immunosuppresion from drug use and unhealthy sexual practices besides HIV infection and all of these factors likely contribute to the deaths but I think RFK Jr is wrong about this.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Flying Dutchman
  58. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You seem to have an exaggerated deference to these Nobel prizewinners, but are there no other Nobel prizewinners who disagree?

    Well, obviously just because four science Nobel Laureates endorse a controversial scientific theory anathematized by all the corporate, financial, and political powers doesn’t mean it’s necessarily correct. But it does mean it’s worth considering.

    So I read Duesberg’s long article as well as the Policy Review, Reason, and NYRB debates and analyses, which totaled about 70,000 words, plus a bunch of others articles and the 200 pages in Kennedy’s book. Based upon all of that, I’m leaning towards Duesberg probably being at least substantially correct. Maybe you should read all that material yourself, and see what you think.

    • Agree: TKK, mark green
    • Thanks: Sisifo, Mehen, Nancy
    • Replies: @saggy
    , @Emslander
    , @GayDad69
  59. Sisifo says:

    About RFK jr. book, sales number are affected by availability in many countries.

    Here in Australia it won’t be available until 22nd February, unless one is willing to fork out \$100 and buy it from oversea. Booksellers in Australia cannot import books.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  60. ariadna says:

    They lied about HIV/AIDS and pursued with a vengeance all truth tellers (real scientists) when the stakes were considerably smaller, i.e., ruthless profit making and the fraudulent career making of some individuals (Gallo and Fauci).
    Not surprisingly, the pursuit to destroy the lives and careers of truth tellers is much fiercer with the critics of the COVID/mRNA vaccine lies, now that the stakes are so huge, i.e., aside from the obscene profits, the global Great Reset project in which the entire information/financial/military/industrial/pharmaceutical complex is engaged.
    The pattern of the hoax remains the same.

    • Agree: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Je Suis Omar Mateen
  61. @Ron Unz

    This is the guy to start with: (maybe no Nobel Prize…)

    D. Jeffrey Meldrum, Ph.D.

    Professor
    Anatomy & Anthropology

    Office: Life Sciences 309

    (208) 282-4379

    [email protected]

  62. anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    @Jonathon Mason #57

    “And what is a Nobel prize? Is Barack Obama an expert on peacekeeping?”

    For me, the Nobel Prize lost all credibility when the Peace Prize committee failed to even nominate Madeleine Albright for her successful effort to bring eternal rest to half a million Iraqis.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  63. Could HIV/AIDS be a precursor depopulation bio weapon test and the drugs used to treat it be the final nail into the coffin?
    This sounds ridiculously similar to the current depopulation plandemic now playing out around the world, where the virus (bio weapon) mutates until it’s host reach herd immunity or it continues mutations jumping from mild to extreme depending on the amount of those injected.

    V=mc2

  64. Some of us were convinced that Duesberg is some literally insane professor somewhere in California, from all the news stories we read/heard about him, whose ideas were so incoherent that he was only saved from being fired by his pre-insanity tenure. At the very least, that cognitive assessment is clearly false.

    As can be seen from this interview:

    • Thanks: PDXLibertarian, Sarah
    • Replies: @Matt B
  65. @Mustapha Mond

    Real quickly, in follow-up, a few minutes ago I just spoke to my old buddy who verified that indeed, his old roommate was diagnosed with AIDs, was fighting it well and doing okay, got on the waiting list for AZT, finally got the AZT, rapidly declined thereafter and passed away.

    Holy crap! I had no idea all these years that the supposed ‘cure’ (AZT) was far, far worse than the affliction and was likely a huge, if not sole causative factor of his old roommate’s demise. Thanks to RFK, Jr and now Ron for getting that back into the spotlight, because it sure seems like that rat bastard Fauci is up to his old tricks: putting the public’s health at the disposal and tender mercies of profit-mad Pig Pharma executives and their ilk. I can only hope that the SOB eventually gets his due, but realize the chances of that are slim to none, unless the mRNA jabs start causing our kids to drop like flies during school recess, which it seems some school districts are already planning for:

    https://www.sott.net/article/462230-School-district-in-New-York-sends-out-email-warning-parents-of-sudden-cardiac-arrest-in-students-grades-K-12

    And on that uplifting final note, let me wish the readers, contributors and our patron here at TUR, the best of health and happiness in the New Year! Cheers!

    • Thanks: CelestiaQuesta, Robjil
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  66. @Sisifo

    It’s available on Apple Books and Amazon Kindle in digital format.

    • Replies: @Sisifo
  67. Matt B says:
    @Ron Unz

    this is a 2hr conversation with Kary Mullis from 1996 that backs up everything Mr Unz has been writing about,

    I wasn’t aware that there was an HIV-AIDS controversy until you pointed to it in RFK Jr’s book.

    • Thanks: Nancy, Mr. Anon, Sarah
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  68. @Rich

    Medically speaking, you are spot on. Same applies to heterosexual anal sex. All of which I find personally distasteful, but I only met the guy a few times, he was very nice, clearly quite intelligent, and truly an awesome cook. He made some very poor choices in his life, but it really pisses me off to think he might have made it through had he not believed Fauci & Co about the alleged benefits of AZT. That’s damn near legalized murder for profit, which from what RFK, Jr and others posit, is seemingly a Fauci medical specialty, very sad to say…..

  69. @res

    “Trump took remdesivir.”

    Well, so he says, or was told. Who knows? Maybe they gave him a horse de-wormer instead…… 😉

    • Replies: @RodW
  70. saggy says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you should read all that material yourself, and see what you think.

    Do you realize how lame that ‘argument’ is? It’s argument by links, you provide your links, and I’ll provide mine. Lame. And not interesting to boot.

    Why not make the case for the Duesberg Hypothesis yourself, using facts and reasoning, not links? To remind you:

    The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (PDF)

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  71. Very good! Archiving and then finding and posting those old issues of Policy Review and Reason (especially the letters part) is the best thing I have seen on the entire internet in weeks. Thirty years!

  72. I remember in the mid to late 70’s just before the AIDS outbreak, bloodbanks were popping up all around. They were promoted as blood donation centers (they paid you also) to help replenish blood supplies for hospitals. This was at the peck when gay bath houses in Hollywood and San Francisco flourished and major heroine, crack use went unchecked. it’s as if homosexuals were asking for a new disease to naturally form out of nature by a perfect storm of filthy anal sex and unsafe intravenous drug use in unclean filthy environments of porn house theaters, porn shop back rooms, and gay bath houses.
    And should a bathhouse homosexual need a few bucks to buy some dope, he could just pop by the local blood donation center and make a hundred bucks.

    HIV blood testing was unavailable until years later.

    That era should be remembered as the Great Gay Bathhouse Outbreak that started AIDS.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  73. A part time high schooler at a local restaurant was just tested positive for covid. I asked her older sister who still works there also as a part time how she feels. The answer was she was completely fine. and her whole family of 5 are all fine. She is just bored out of her mind from being quarantined in her room.

    I also know 2 people who had parents in their 80s that died from covid in the past year.

    I am not taking the 3rd shot. Thank god I don’t have to deal with the stupid mandates as I am not part of the work force anymore.

    Fuck blasio and his retarded smiling face. Fuck all who voted for him.

    • Replies: @Poco
  74. Thomasina says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, he did offer. They could have taken him up on it, but they didn’t, did they? Why not? Were they afraid he’d be right?

    Of course, he would want the other side involved in the controlled experiment, wouldn’t he, otherwise they’d just deny the injection ever took place. Without their involvement, it wouldn’t be worth going through the exercise. It was the other side who weren’t willing to take the gamble, not him.

    “If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  75. @Ron Unz

    That’s a strange way of looking at it…

    Oh is it just?

    I think any objective observer of this site’s trajectory over the years would have little choice but to conclude that your perverse objective is to convert it into the functional equivalent of a lunatic corral with all possible haste.

    Oh, and just for fun: https://www.aidstruth.org/denialists-who-have-died/

    Ouch!

    (That site stopped being updated in 2015, on the basis that its work was complete, the denialists were through. Little did they know…)

    • Replies: @Catdompanj
  76. TKK says:

    When I was in college, I worked a catering job one summer at a fake castle that was used for weddings.

    We were told that afternoon that we had a group coming in for a fun dinner, and they were all HIV Positive. This was in 1993.

    I was very nervous and called my dad, who told me to leave and not touch their plates or I would get AIDS. (I had to bus the tables.) Thanks, Dad.

    The group came, and they were a mixture of black and white men and women, some fat, some thin, and some seemed to be mentally retarded.

    I can’t adequately explain the gravitas surrounding them, the solemn faces of the social workers and family. It was like a St. Jude’s commercial come to life. We tiptoed around them and gave them extra petit fours and sausage balls. A DJ played Celebration by Kool and the Gang, and some people got up and boogied with their table mates, at first awkwardly and then with abandon. It was a Diane Arbus photo, in real time.

    But, I remember thinking how odd it was that these people could eat so heavily and heartily but the Grim Reaper was lurking in the corner, scythe at the ready. They were not the emaciated wraiths we saw from the San Francisco AIDS propaganda. They were hale and hearty.

    What we see with our eyes can go a long way to showing us what is real and what is false in this jingle jangle world we inhabit.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  77. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Even if we agree with you that Covid-19 is an imaginary illness, just suppose that they was a real epidemic of a deadly virus.

    He never said it was. Why do you people (narrative-swallowers) willfully misinterperet a very simple thing? One may believe that COVID is real and at the same time believe that the response to it has been assinine, insane, or even nefarious – i.e. that it is being used as a tool to implement a World-wide authoritarian regime.

    In relative magnitude (total deaths) COVID is not so different than the Asian Flu of 1957 and far less deadly than the Spanish influenza of 1918. Even in absolute terms it is far less deadly than the Spanish influenza. And yet what has been done in the name of fighting it – the assault on people’s livelihoods, civil liberties, basic freedoms, bodily autonomy, the assault on the free flow of information – was never done in response to those previous pandemics. The response to COVID is completely unprecedented.

    • Agree: gsjackson, Emslander
    • Replies: @Emslander
  78. Mehen says:

    Dear Ron,

    In all honestly, you really didn’t need to go through this tortuous, circuitous route in order to process your cognitive dissonance regarding the Covid Psyop and the vaccination program.

    I know cognitive dissonance can be tough, especially for an intelligent Jew who normally considers himself the “measure of all things”, who also tends to look down upon us “deplorables”….

    But you didn’t need to waste so much time!

    Sigh.

    I am disappoint.

  79. Mr. Anon says:

    I remember reading this (or another article by Gary Taubes) in Slate a quarter century ago:

    Nobel Gas
    Sure, Stanley Prusiner deserves a prize–for his persistence, not for his prions.

    By Gary Taubes
    Oct 11, 1997

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/1997/10/nobel-gas.html

    I don’t know what became of Taubes assertion (that Stanley Prusigner was in error and was given a Nobel Prize based on sloppy work). Certain prions as a cause of degenerative nerve disease have become accepted medical knowledge. Or at least dogma.

    And that’s the problem, isn’t it? How much accepted medical knowledge is actual knowledge and how much is just dogma? When research funding largely passes through a few organizations which perhaps have no interest in dredging up past failures, but rather just palm them off as successes, who knows what is really true?

    Accepted medical dogma in the late 70s / early 80s held that dietary fat is bad for you. They recommended a diet heavy in carbohydrates, especially grains. It was called “The Food Pyramid”. It proved disastrous, resulting in a massive increase in obesity and diabetes. It wasn’t the only cause to be sure, but it was a major one.

    • Thanks: Emslander, siberiancat, Sarah
  80. Alfred says:
    @Robjil

    Remdesvirir is the newest such drug.

    In the same way that deaths due to AZT were billed to “AIDS”, they are now blaming kidney damage to “long-term Covid”. The same script for a new play. 🙂

    Covid-19 directly infects kidney cells and can cause severe damage to the vital organ, according to a scientific study which proves a link between serious infection and organ failure.

    In a report published in the scientific journal Cell Stem Cell on Friday, a group of researchers suggested that Covid-19 can cause serious complications affecting a patient’s kidneys.

    Study reveals dangerous long-term effect of Covid-19
    A new study claims to have found a direct link between kidney failure and coronavirus disease

    However, if you look at the comments following this article, you will see that many people are waking up to this particular scam.

  81. Mehen says:
    @Priss Factor

    Priss, your long-form comments are always read and appreciated.

    Your contextless links are likely to be ignored.

    FYI

  82. Mehen says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Dr. Free-Mason:

    If there ever where a SIGNIFICANT communicable disease, there would be no need for “authorities”, “experts” or “Jews” to tell us what to do.

    We would all be freaked out and desperately clamor for the “solution”

    That is not what is happening today, is it?

    There’s a reason for that, (((Mason)))

    Some of us Goyim are on to you.

  83. But rather than openly debate such a strong scientific opponent, Fauci and his allies blacklisted Duesberg from receiving any government funding, thereby wrecking his research career, while also vilifying him and pressuring others to do the same.

    Why obsess about Government Funding? Billionaires have their own space programs. They actually own the largest parts of entire nations. There are lots and lots of them, and some are way out there in cockoo land. Why don’t the AIDS/HIV Deniers hit up some of these folks? They can promise immortality in the Biology Textbooks if the research pays off.

    Mr. Unz, the author here, has a big bullhorn by means of this very website. Why doesn’t he start a Crowd Funding effort for Duesberg, et. al.? A few hundred thousand people each chipping in what they could afford would surely jump-start the project without the need to beg Evil Governments for money. Libertarians, Trumpies, and General Contrarians – there are a lot of these around. With luck, some really big bucks might start arriving from the weird billionaires like Musk and Bezos.

    Humanized rats exist. They could be properly malnourished, given recreational drugs, and taught (or selected for) homosexuality. Alternately, a fine desert island could be fitted out as a place where a few hundred human volunteers (totally disease free) would be paid to do the same things.

    Doing this experiment would show that Mr. Duesberg and Mr. Kennedy really are geniuses of the first order when outbreaks of “HIV/AIDS” showed up in the rats or on the desert island.

    As for myself, all this reminds me of mal aria theory of old – the notion that diseases are caused by bad-smelling air. Or Spontaneous Generation. Perhaps we ought to consider “Revising” that one too. What if new life really does come from dust, wet soil, etc!

    Finally, we may need to “Revisit” the Homunculus Theory. Is God’s perfect creation – Men, and especially White Men – all that’s really needed to for maintaining the human race? Maybe the second-class sex would be shown as merely a convenience after all.

    Let’s find out.

  84. Mehen says:

    Apologies to all if the following is not relevant here, but I felt this comment of mine from an dead thread merits consideration:

    It just occurred to me that whomever was responsible for those info-graphics detailing the absolutely disproportionate number of Jews in the upper reaches of the corporate media (CNN/NPR/FOX/MSNBC/NYT, etc) should now apply their investigative skills to doing the same for the hospital/medical establishment.

    The time is ripe.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  85. @Alfred

    There’s nothing left to learn, Alfie. The ‘authorities’ know everything, and new ideas are anathema.

  86. @anon

    Half a million Iraqi children under five. Please acknowledge her achievements properly. There were hundreds of thousands of older Iraqis, but the Devil likes the little sacrifices best.

  87. Toza says:

    Mr. Unz, you are doing a great job with your in-debth analyses, as well as your openness to diverse opinions. I have been wondering how you can read so quickly. Do you have a gift for concentration, or do you just read fast?

    I am still waiting for you to investigate the vaccination phenomenon. I agree the virus exists; I also agree it is dangerous for the elderly and people with comorbidities. I am still not sure why they are hell-bent on vaxxing everyone, however, if it’s obvious that the vaxxed can get the virus and pass it on. Is it just the profit?

    After two years of studying the phenomenon, my opinion is that they want to prolong the “pandemic” so they can wreck the economy and make everyone “not have anything,” as Schwab pointed out, to make everyone a financial slave of the richest. The useless facial masks are still imposed only to keep reminding us that the danger is still out there.

    • Replies: @atlantis_dweller
  88. @Jonathan Mason

    The manner in which ‘the Authorities’ have shut down ALL scientific debate, the bedrock of the scientific process, even from world renowned experts in relevant fields, and slandered, suppressed and demonised safe, effective and cheap medications like ivermectin (your specialty Grendel)and pushed experimental gene therapy injections, whose ‘safety testing’, such as it was, was outsourced and corrupt in at least one instance, and that don’t work, have caused more adverse reactions that ALL previous vaccines taken together, and will be inflicted, compulsorily, at three monthly intervals, is Satanic insanity. Who needs totalitarianism when Satan and his minions are in charge?

  89. SafeNow says:

    Have the PhD’s in biostatistics barked? Medical statistics, which you spend many years getting a PhD in, is a crucial component of the controversy, but Kennedy is perfunctory on the subject, as I recall – – “correlation is not causation.” Kennedy, and Ron, tell me what the virologists, molecular biologists, and physicians have said. But this is ultimately a “causation” controversy, and therefore, only the PhDs in medical statistics can bark correctly – – and that would happen only after extensive analysis of the virology data. I hope they at least did so decades ago.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  90. Jim123 says:

    “We simply do not know at the present time how to design a vaccine that will be effective against HIV.”

    At the time AIDS hit, circa 1980s, I was a community social worker with homeless and indigents, a clinician at mental health center, in Worcester, Mass.

    More than anything, I recall stigma attached to homosexuals, primarily males.

    And it was never clear what HIV connection to AIDS was, to me; yet they were constantly lumped.

    Prior to RFK’s book, my understanding was there was no evidence HIV caused AIDS; and, that Fauci tried for 20 years to get a vaccine and couldn’t.

    This was Fauci’s VACCINE FAILURE.

    My understanding also was that it was assumed HIV caused AIDS, yet I could never find adequate demonstration of this.

    That it was assumed to be this despite lack of evidence, to me, did not seem odd – in the direct sense that, during my college days, I was blessed as a student with two of the world’s leading Middle East experts. Including their scholarship on rise of, and consequences of, Zionism.

    And thus my frame of reference was that it was “normal” in USA: that obvious, objective lies underpinned founding of the Jewish State of Israel; this modus operandi, part and parcel of big government and big media. That is: USA, most powerful agent of neo-empire; NYTimes, most powerful propagandists for this project, Zionism.

    To this day American people, lied to on Zionism, Jewish State of Israel, etc.

    What has been consequence of this in particular? Our tax dollars keeps rolling into “Judea and Samaria” as Begin liked to call it.

    As important as the lying of Big Medicine in general and Fauci in particular, viz. HIV as causing AIDS, for me at least, seemed par for the course. As “normal” in this country, as it were.

    Maddening, yes, and it is what it is.

    Fauci’s HIV Vaccine Failure I thought was an indication of the fact that despite all that money and power and government-ascribed prestige, during this time: was an indication of USA as having wherewithal to recognize failure as failure. His search for holy grail ended in failure; yet this failure only grew in prestige; again, this is “normal” and yes maddening, in this country. [Ever the vaccine dogmatist, Fauci pushed and pushed and despite all the resources, this effort failed.]

    The reason it failed is so obvious and barely needing mention: lack of evidence HIV causes AIDS. But, more on point: HIV [like, later, Sars CoV-2] proved an enigma — money and power and hubris could not buy a safe and effective vaccine.

    Saying “the mainstream media has almost entirely shut its doors to any dissent on the issue [Fauci’s role in the HIV/AIDS calamity] and refuses to engage the critics, instead seeming to rely upon the blacklist and the boycott” is stating the perfectly obvious.

    And as a practical matter: What is to be said, at this point about Fauci’s VACCINE FAILURE viz. HIV/AIDS? He became richer and more influential and more powerful than ever.

    The official narrative will remain, as it remains — for USS Liberty, Zionism, and 911, for that matter, and so on and so forth.

    [MORE]

    I was trained in college to also recognize patterns including of social interaction, historical, and social-historical.

    And was subsequently trained in the science of data, and research including epidemiological research and research methods for scientists and engineers.

    Today, a leading scientist and medical doctor, and leading expert on messenger ribonucleic acid vaccinoloy, mRNA, Robert Malone, was permanently banned from Twitter.

    Common denominator in all this censorship is:
    1] how much of a threat to the COVID-19 vaccine sales agenda?

    The bigger the threat, . . . you know the rest.

    From this, everything follows, for the most part.

    Until recently, this well organized USA police state was better organized.

    As Unz points out from time to time [particularly, recent essay titled, American Pravda: Giants Silenced by Pygmies] it did this kind of sh*t all the time. . . but, before, being the most well organized police state, it’s deceptions and propaganda softened the blow and/or made black look like white; or put another way: made sh*t look like honey.

    The vanity of the powerful, combined with their raw power, . . . this is how a lot of history happens.

    This current criminal operation is succeeding even as it is falling apart everywhere we look.

    The immense resources the powerful bring to bear results in many vaccinated; etc. And, yet, their abject greed, and relative stupidity compared to their powerful progenitors . . . is why we see it, also, coming apart at the seems.

    Even so. . . . Not enough of a critical mass ever seemed to care enough that: Israel, built on lies; JFK, MLK, RFK, assassinations, all white-washed; causes and beneficiaries of 911; and now, Operation Corona-411-911.

    President Jimmy Carter’s former Ambassador to UNO, Andrew Young once famously said: If 100 businessmen do it, it’s legal.

    The moral of the story is amorality of Capitalism as a social system, which on its face is antithesis of social system.

    Malone, latest scientific and medical covid expert kicked off Twitter: he got in the way of our state Religion: Capitalism.

    Sales of covid shots is the common denominator, and Malone, as an mRNA expert, is being treated like all the previous Middle East experts who began to carry more and more influence.

    JFK, RFK, MLK were killed, not because they opposed capitalism, rather, they opposed its most extreme and heinous forms and consequences, neo-imperial wars that as King said prior to being gunned down, have everything to do with Triple Evils: exploitation/terrorism/racism – that are indissolubly linked.

    Be that as it may, Washington Post, 29 March, 2008, story titled, “Vaccine Failure Is Setback in AIDS Fight”, performed deaths rites of that effort.

    Reading this WAP story, with greater understanding of and fuller picture of what actually happened [‘thanks’ in large part to Fauci]. . . . in particular: unproven assumption HIV cause AIDS, well, it reads like Monty Python’s Flying Circus with The Gong Show sprinkled atop.

    This WAP piece describes halting all trials, and includes this: “In both studies, people who got vaccine were more likely — not less — to become infected, with trends suggesting roughly a twofold risk” — coincidentally, where we’re at and/or heading, with covid shots. This is certainly the case with Omicron.

    [[“There is something very, very peculiar” going on in the vaccine trials, said Anthony S. Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, which sponsored them.]]

    See https://morganrants.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/vaccine-failure-is-setback-in-aids-fight/ for this WAP story.

    Nearly six months earlier, in the journal Science, information on this vaccine failure was published in the 6 Oct. 2007 edition, which quotes Fauci.

    “Clearly this indicates the failure of a product. Whether or not it indicates the failure of a concept, we don’t know at this point,” he said.

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.318.5847.28

    The Science essay says: “Researchers had pinned their hopes on Merck’s vaccine because it uses a novel strategy. Instead of trying to trigger antibodies to HIV as most other candidates do to some degree, this one relies exclusively on another arm of the immune system that stimulates what are known as killer T cells. . . Although only antibodies can prevent infection, the hope was that a T-cell vaccine might beat back HIV before it could get a foothold, or at least keep levels of the virus (the viral load) in check.”

    We simply do not know at the present time how to design a vaccine that will be effective against Sars CoV-2. At least, regards Moderna and Pfizer/B shots.

    As Yogi Berra said, It’s deja vue all over again.

    PS
    Thank you Ron Unz for this essay.
    -30-

  91. @Jonathan Mason

    If they just sent out invitation cards for life-saving vaccines, would everybody show up?

    This is called the fallacy of “begging the question.” In fact all the evidence is that for the vast majority of people, indisputably in the case of children, the risk to life and limb of the injections is much greater than any protection they allegedly could confer.

    And of course these radical experimental gene-altering injections are not “vaccines” by any regular definition of that term. They were labeled “vaccines” purely for propaganda and legalistic purposes. The fact that you fraudulently call them “vaccines” indicates your bad faith.

    There are some people who, if they were offered a lifeboat seat on the Titanic, would still prefer to swim for the shore on their own in icy waters in case the lifeboat hit an iceberg.

    It would indeed be pointless to get into a lifeboat which deliberately is being steered toward another iceberg.

    More importantly, if those in charge on the lifeboats were robbing, beating, raping and physically torturing the people who got into the boats, it certainly would be better to swim on one’s own.

    just suppose that they was a real epidemic of a deadly virus.

    How would public health authorities deal with it in non totalitarian way?

    The so-called “public health authorities” we actually have, as opposed to the ones that exist only in your fantasies, are not trying to safeguard public health, are deliberately working to destroy all individual and public health, and are doing it precisely because they have only totalitarian goals.

    So your question refers to a fantasy case that exists nowhere.

    But just to be clear, if a bona fide deadly virus was already at large in the general environment there’s no policy intervention which could prevent it from completing its cycle, given the fact of your globalized, car-centric socioeconomic system which requires the vast majority of people to traverse significant distances on a regular basis and interact every day with large numbers of people who are not from their immediate community.

    Since your system would collapse immediately if it really were to be “locked down”, only half-assed partial “lockdowns” could be imposed (and therefore be all the more psychologically, socially and politically untenable for being so obviously piecemeal and arbitrary from any actual “public health” point of view), which never could prevent the virus from completing its cycle.

    So the truth we who remained sane knew from day one remains the same today: If there really were a “pandemic”, the genie’s already out of the bottle and there was nothing to be done but protect the most vulnerable (the one and only thing which was NOT done), amass large supplies of curative medications like ivermectin and HCQ (instead these were subjected to a smear campaign of premeditated lies and forcibly suppressed), and otherwise go about normal life unto the attainment of herd immunity.

    Beyond that, any “intervention”, any attempt at forcible segregation and suppression, could only be counterproductive. And so it has proven every step of the way.

    If there really ever had been a pandemic, and since nothing which actually could help ever would have been done, therefore nothing should have been done, and we’d all have been finished with and free of any such pandemic a long time ago.

    • Agree: Poco, Adam Smith
    • Thanks: W, bike-anarkist
    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  92. @Jonathan Mason

    just suppose that they was a real epidemic of a deadly virus. How would public health authorities deal with it in non totalitarian way?

    While circumnavigating the globe, so as to prevent the scurvy among his crew, Captain Cook insisted his men eat veggies. Two insubordinates refused. Cook had a couple ears cut off. His judgement proved beneficial to the health of the entire crew.

    However, if every time a seagull castes a shadow on the deck the captain puts all the crew in chains and runs the ship aground you have a leadership problem.

  93. Kali says:

    A note from Crackpot Corner:

    After reading this article I’m not sure whether to dance, laugh or cry.

    Should I dance in celebration that Mr Unz, following almost two years of gaslighting many of his readers regarding the ongoing covid psyop that’s being used to entirely reshape the social and economic circumstances of the whole world, has recognised that there may be a case for making a case that the covid-pandemic narrative ought to be open to question and debate across legacy media platforms?

    I did smile, not quite laugh, when dear Ron offered his sage advice in the form of his “Deusberg hypothisis”. Recall, as I do the almost daily outpourings of John Rappaport and several others way back in March, April, May… 2020 on exactly that subject whilst drawing relevant comparisons to the ongoing pandemic hoax.
    I’m sure they’d all be pleased to know that Ron thinks their use of the “AIDS angle”, may be helpful in moving forward the more contestable aspects of our current little (global) civilisational apocalypse (or even just the silly pandemic pantomime part of it) into mainstream debate.

    Yet inwardly I weep. Because regardless of Ron’s current softening towards our “crackpot” “antivaxx” theories (whilst noting his attempt to somehow legitimise that perjorative slur) we continue down the road of this civilisational “reset”, even as record numbers of young and old are killed by the genetic treatments forced on them by simpering politicians doing the bidding of billionaire think-tanks.

    But hey, welcome to the frey at last Mr Unz.

    I hope you are at least beginning, in some dusty neglected corner of your mind, to see that the soft-ball tacticts you propose will have little timely impact in stopping the Lock Step march toward totalitarian “global governance” created in the image of psychopaths.

    May your reluctant awakening gain quick momentum. May you use your unique analitical gifts to pierce the plain-sight camoflage of the Lock Steppers BEFORE it’s too late.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Alfred, Emslander, Adam Smith
  94. Anon[739] • Disclaimer says:

    I haven’t read the Kennedy book, but his thesis about HIV is quite interesting and deserves serious scientific research.

    One thing I’ve learned when I’ve dug into medical research is that doctors are a lot more ignorant than the public thinks they are. A case in point: I was trying to find research showing the optimal amount of zinc you should take. It turns out no such paper exists. The RDA of 8-11 mg is a figure grabbed right out of the thin air. 8-11 mg is what they recommend to avoid a deficiency, which is NOT the same thing as the right amount for peak health.

    What bothers me about all this is that zinc is an important regulator of insulin and blood sugar. I’ve found paper after paper saying zinc is good for preventing and treating diabetes. It’s entirely possible we have an epidemic of type 2 diabetes solely because the RDA of zinc is too low and really ought to be, say 20-30 mg. It really boggles the mind to think that if we gave every diabetic person more zinc, we might make Type 2 diabetes vanish. But I doubt all the drug companies want this to happen. They make a lot of money off of the diabetes industry.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  95. Nodwink says:

    Another interesting “conspiracy theory” about AIDS is the polio vaccine hypothesis, which is derided, but has never been properly refuted by the medical establishment. William Hamilton — a legend of twentieth-century biology — was a supporter of this view.

    • Agree: Sisifo
    • Replies: @GreenMike
  96. @Emblematic

    It’s an area to which I had not previously paid any close attention as I was busy with other projects so I had no reason to ever question the mainstream view of things…

    I’ve never understood that. I only have time to have focused and done exhaustive research on a few things, but since in each case I know the mainstream narrative is nothing but lies and stupidity, my default is to assume the same is true where it comes to every other controversy.

    So in this case, though I haven’t researched the alleged HIV causality of the alleged rigorously definable condition “AIDS” (as opposed to that being a catch-all term for a wide range of symptoms and vaguely defined conditions, much like “Covid” itself), I always assumed that the system might be lying about that, because lying seems to be all they do.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
    • Replies: @gsjackson
  97. @Solon

    While I’m not willing to go out and get HIV (I’m not into dudes), my best friend from high school got it. Diagnosed in 2008. He’s a fairy.

    When he told me, I wasn’t surprised, and in fact I had warned him that his lifestyle would lead to that. At the time I was disappointed in him and sad about it.

    In the intervening years I was briefly exposed to Duesberg’s perspective on the issue by a straight acquaintance from a totally different walk of life. He made a good case to me that AIDS is essentially a complex of issues unrelated to the virus, HIV. This acquaintance has a PhD, for what it’s worth.

    In any case, more than a year into the “pandemic” I decided to meet up with my old fairy friend. To my surprise…actually not really, I had already realized this was a hoax…he was doing more than fine, at least from a health perspective. If a guy diagnosed positive in 2008 made it through the coof pandemic unscathed, that speaks to both “viruses” being a load of BS, in my opinion.

    Unfortunately, I couldn’t catch him before he had taken the shots. I hope he is okay. I should get in touch with him.

  98. @res

    Trump took remdesivir.

    How do you know?

  99. Anon[739] • Disclaimer says:
    @Abbott Hall

    Potentially true, but did you screen your test patients for ALL viruses? If a combo of virus x, y, and z doing are attacking your test subjects, which all got the upper hand due to boneheaded and risky behavior on the part of the patient, and the patient also has HIV, you have to be sure it’s not x, y, and z that were really doing the damage to the patient’s immune system.

    The problem is, once an immune system has been suppressed by any random virus, any anti-viral should work to some degree, but you still need to prove that HIV that was the main culprit. Even without HIV, many AIDS patients would have died from opportunistic viruses once their immune systems went south. What’s more, it was the toxic drug AZT, according to Kennedy, that was really killing people.

  100. @Abbott Hall

    I was working at Merck when Crixivan was developed as the first HIV protease inhibitor. There was never any doubt among the scientists working on this disease that it was caused by HIV and the dramatic change in the survival curve after starting Crixivan…

    Yes, lots of people “never doubt” whatever they’re required to believe in order to receive their paychecks and their shares in lucrative patents.

    • Agree: Sisifo
  101. @El Dato

    Precisely.

    I have done hands-on work with retroviruses (not HIV itself, admittedly) and got some idea of what they can do. The green fluorescence glow when the transfected gene for some GFP fusion protein is expressed is a sight to behold.

    Dr. Selma Dritz, who first deduced the existence of a novel pathogen linked to promiscuous homosexual activity on the one hand and Pneumocystis infections and Kaposi’s sarcoma on the other, was not a fool but rather an astute scientist who reports that she was constantly hampered by orders from High Above to the tune of “We need the faggots’ vote, we must not allow this to become publicly known”. While opiate abuse may affect the immune system, it seems in the late 1970s there was also a correlation between Californian bugger culture as part of the larger “counterculture” and heroine, and hence a statistical bias.

    It should rather be asked how the virus crossed the species border. As it happens, many years ago there was a SCIENCE paper on immunological studies conducted on behalf of the NIH, where hundreds of volunteers received subcutaneous injections of green monkey blood. Given the fact that the NIH was the brainchild of the guy who invented the magic bullet, everything seems possible. Including the interpretation that AIDS denialism is a red herring.

    • Replies: @walker
  102. Mr. Anon says:

    One thing that really stood out from that video, House of Numbers: the fact that the social history of somebody taking an HIV test is used to evaluate the test results.

    Why? Why would that be relevant? Either you have the virus or you don’t. Either the test tests for it or it doesn’t. Why would the number or kind of sexual contacts a person has make any difference to what should be a physical, bio-chemical reality?

    It’s like saying: We’re going to measure your height, but we will use your ethnicity in evaluating the results. So the height we state for you depends on whether you’re from Guatemala or The Netherlands.

    Needless to say, the Wikipedia article on that video excoriates the movie itself, the guy who made it, Brent Leung, and many of the people featured in it. They are denounced as dangerous “deniers” with blood on their hands.

    So, based on that alone, I already think more highly of it.

    You know, it occurs to me – and I’m not saying that I believe this to be true – but if you were concerned with overpopulation, what better way of trying to curb it than persuading the entire population of the World that they are in danger of contracting a 100% fatal STD, making them all neurotic about sex, and getting all the men to wear condoms all the time.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  103. Thanks for yet another penetrating analysis. What I missed, however, is a solid reference to justified doubts about the very nature of viruses. There are said to be specific viruses for specific diseases. Yet since this causality has never been conclusively proven, it is still at best a hypothesis. Apparently, “most” physicians and specialists today are convinced that viruses cause diseases, but since science is not democratic, this massive support is actually meaningless.

    In this resect it is noteworthy that a few years ago the German Supreme Court ruled there was insufficient evidence to support the thesis that measles is caused by the “measles virus” since its existence had never been scientifically proven (https://vaccineimpact.com/2017/german-supreme-court-upholds-biologists-claim-that-measles-virus-does-not-exist/)

    Rather than a disease-causing germ, viruses thus may very well be a (as some suggest) a product of a disease caused by some other yet unidentified agent.

    Admittedly, I am not a physician. Fortunately, I might add, since most physicians today have been merely taught what pills to prescribe and if those fail, what parts of the patient’s body need to be cut away.

    Given the abundant proof of systematic massive medical and scientific fraud perpetrated on all levels and all possible fields (universities, government agencies, pharmaceutical companies etc. etc.) regarding recent health “scourges” such as AIDS, Ebola, and now COVID, I think it is crucial not to trust what the authorities prefer to call “the Science!”

    • Agree: gsjackson, Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Sisifo
  104. @RAD1

    I was diagnosed with ITP, Idopathic Thrombocytopenic Purpua as a child. My platelet count was so low that I developed prickly rashes on my lower extremities and was very tired all the time.

    For many years they would treat me with Prednisone which as we know causes all kinds of other side effects. Doctors then insisted that a platelet count needed to be in the 150-350K range but the science is completely different now.

    I remember the doctors saying that they hoped that I would just grow out of it. For a time I did but once in my 30’s I started to develop the rashes again. My platelet count was around 30K and they convinced me to have my spleen removed.

    Well, this didn’t work either and so I continued to cycle the Prednisone. Now the science is changed and I’ve been told that a platelet count as low as 15K is doable. Platelet counts vary constantly and I normally range around 90-110K.

    Needless to say, finding out that Thrombocytopenia is a known side effect of these gene therapy, I will never ever be injected with one.

    If I comes to it I will use this as a medical exemption.

  105. Percival says:

    The bigger the lie, the harder it is to convince people of the truth. I tend to think it’s counterproductive to sell people “the big enchilada”, as Alex Jones would say. For instance, the claim that HIV is a benign virus and that the syndrome known as “AIDS” is a misdiagnosis of numerous distinct pathologies, none of which are caused by HIV, is such a hard sell it’s probably not even worth trying, even if it were 100% true. On the other hand, the claim that AZT is a toxic chemical which aggravated the illness of homosexual men, or even precipitated their deaths, and that this chemical was promoted by the pharmaceutical industry despite being harmful — that is a credible claim, one for which there are countless analogues in the pharmaceutical world.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
  106. @silviosilver

    Funny you completely ignored Ron’s challenge to name 4 Nobel winners who believe in Bigfoot.

  107. VDR says:

    There was an article in the early to mid 1990s, in either National Review or American Spectator, about AIDS. The author included an excerpt from the index of an old (pre-AIDS) medical textbook showing the catalog of diseases that afflicted homosexuals. It was astonishing, and the overlap with the alleged symptoms of AIDS was striking.

    Perhaps Ron can find it if he has access to the copyright-protected article PDFs in his archive.

    As far as I’ve ever been able to tell, the HIV/AIDS drama has always been the political search for a scapegoat to take the blame for the 20-30 year decrease in life expectancy that comes with practicing homosexual relations.

  108. cohen says:

    Green Bay Packers Aaron Roger comments. How about an open debate between Dr. Sanjay Gupta and Dr. Peter McCullough on Vaccine. How NFL is dodging the system.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10353609/Unvaccinated-Packers-quarterback-Aaron-Rodgers-doubles-COVID-injection-skepticism.html

    Covid promoters were quick to report Rodgers positive test results and later demonized him when he refused to follow the lines.

  109. cohen says:

    Ron Unz should prepare himself for personal attacks, demonetization, and smears.

    Preemptive strike: if any skeletons in the closet let it out.

  110. gsjackson says:
    @Mehen

    Agree. Don’t have facts and figures at hand, but the two names inside the medical world most prominently associated with vaccines (at least in my mind) are Offit and Hofetz, both Tribesmen.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  111. cohen says:

    This should shed some light on Vit D, K2 (not K) and Zinc. Covid, flu, virus, dosage etc

  112. gsjackson says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    Same here. The presumption is that any standard narrative pushed by politicians and the corporate media is agenda-driven propaganda, often not just untrue but the very opposite of the truth (a satanic thing, perhaps). It’s a rebuttable presumption, of course, but I can’t offhand recall any convincing rebuttals. There must have been some truth out there somewhere — just can’t remember it.

  113. gsjackson says:
    @gsjackson

    Correction: That’s Peter Hotez, not Hofetz.

  114. onebornfree says: • Website

    R. Unz said : “I began to wonder whether I might have been completely misled for all those years by my daily newspapers.”

    Well, duh! 😆 😭😂😎

    Mr Unz would do well to try to follow the late George Carlin’s rule of thumb – to never believe anything the government claims to be true:

    “My first rule- I don’t believe anything the government tells me- nothing!- ZERO!”

    …..and, secondly, and just as importantly, to get it through his head that the MSM _is_ the government, albeit thinly veiled.

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Thanks: Sarah
  115. @Mr. Anon

    Either you have the virus or you don’t. Either the test tests for it or it doesn’t.

    Not according to the PCR test, where you “have it” or not depending upon how many cycles the test goes through, this number being set and reset and reset again depending upon how many “positives” the propaganda requires at any given time.

    I haven’t researched how HIV testing is done, but from this:

    One thing that really stood out from that video, House of Numbers: the fact that the social history of somebody taking an HIV test is used to evaluate the test results.

    it sounds like a similarly impressionistic procedure. Indeed more like a Rorschach test than anything scientifically rigorous.

  116. @Alfred

    Yes, they told me that in my final year at Hogwarts.

    • Replies: @W
    , @Alfred
  117. @Robjil

    All these “patent drugs” were killer drugs and nothing more than that.

    Yup. The new nostrums are evidently much worse than the old-time patent “medicines.”

    Low tech and inexpensive homegrown quackery has morphed into the government supported, expensive, and high tech variety supported by tyranny. Obviously the quacks never say “die.” Instead, mom and pop charlatans have apparently been replaced by the corporate ones that, in contrast to viruses, have evolved into a more virulent and more deadly form.

    Vaccines have been plagued with humbuggery since their start so they can take their jab and shove it.

    “… the device that had been worked so often to the injury of the public and the ruin of the retailer was employed [yet] again.”

    -Charles Edward Russell, Lawless Wealth: The Origin of Some Great American Fortunes, p173. (1908)

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  118. Ron, aside from the tens or hundreds of words I’ve read since Bob Kennedy allowed the publication of the excerpts you posted here, I’m most convinced by perhaps the biggest gotcha of all times when Fauci, asked about the Kennedy book last week issues no denial, only personal insult towards Kennedy as unstable, ill even. He was in a presser, he could have issued denials and didn’t.

    Thats my gold standard, human nature. When caught, kill the messenger. Fauci is caught. So now what? The press should be on him about this every time he sticks his earthworm face out of his hole, but they’re complicit and so we get nothing unless RFK sues him for his slander.

    Thoughts anyone?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Emslander
  119. @Dumbo

    If you subsidize something, you get more of it.

    That’s true and it applies to schooling too. Stupidity, gullibility, and dependency are now rampant partly because of the subsidies and that also explains why there’s so little questioning of authority and so much acceptance of the untested jab even among supposedly educated physicians.

    In fact one doesn’t need a scientific background or any other schooling to be able to evaluate the worth of scientific articles or the quality of info that one’s exposed to; a little dose of street smarts will do, and those who have it are able to recognize patterns, particularly recurring ones.

    Regarding covid, the pattern has been recurring for some time. By that measure alone, Kennedy and Duesberg are likely onto something and certainly should not be deprecated and dismissed out of hand.

  120. Kary Mullis died August 7, 2019 of pneumonia.
    Just heard a nurse talking about Covid saying “pneumonia is the disease of pandemic. We had people die of pneumonia in the summer which never happened before, just doesn’t.”

    ~just sayin

  121. @Ron Unz

    for those without a red ice membership

  122. @Thomasina

    Well, he did offer. They could have taken him up on it, but they didn’t, did they? Why not? Were they afraid he’d be right?

    Lol. He doesn’t need anyone’s permission. It makes no difference if no one will “take him up on it” or not. He could just go ahead and get infected and let the fact he remains healthy speak for itself. Obviously people would require proof that he was infected, but there would be no difficulty procuring that.

    So the mere “offer” doesn’t mean anything. It’s a marketing stunt. He’s probably betting that prevailing views of medical ethics would prevent any existing medical authority from “taking him up on it.” If he really has the courage of his convictions, he should just go ahead and do it. Personally, I would love to see him do it.

    Based on track record, I have every confidence he’d shrivel and die. After all, the people at this link thought they were safe because “HIV is harmless,” and they’re just a small sample. https://www.aidstruth.org/denialists-who-have-died/

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  123. Well, the two alternative hypothesis are the Duesberg….and then the Mullis hypothesis….

    Billions and billions spent on a exclusively homosexual disease. I took care of a brother stricken with Lou Gehrigs. He died in my arms one night. I am scarred for life by the whole ordeal. If only a billion of that \$\$\$\$ spent on the homosexual disease had been spent on ALS Research so much pain and suffering could have been avoided….

    • Thanks: Nancy
  124. What this should prove is that the medical establishment relies on consensus to determine their “truth” and as such is about as scientific as climate science – hardly at all. Medical practitioners and those in their closely related fields have a wholly unearned position in the society and via that purposely manufactured and propagandized position are able to pull off one of the largest scams in history, the current nonsense pandemic.

    Big Pharma owns the bulk of the medical establishment, is the bulk of the medical establishment. The average doctor is a Big Pharma salesman that patients get to provide the salary for. The medical mafia along with the gov’t mafia has taken away our natural rights and has instituted a tyranny that the majority (voters) can’t even identify.

    Why anyone would get the jab when it clearly doesn’t work for any of its intended purposes and has deleterious side effects including death, is a complete mystery to me. Why gov’t would mandate this abomination is crystal clear. It helps kill off the social security recipients and those in long term care facilities thus reducing gov’t expenses and allows for huge profits to be made by the scum like Fauci and other patent holders including gov’t agencies.

    Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

    Those that believe in the disproven theory that gov’t is here to help and that the medical establishment knows what it’s doing could be looked upon as naive dupes for their first shot. It’s the second and subsequent shots that proves the jabbed are in no way smart enough to be considered capable of voting on anything. That explains why democracy is the god that failed and is why the US is rapidly deteriorating. The terminally stupid or criminally corrupt are in control from top to bottom.

    • Agree: Ralph B. Seymour
    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  125. Very convincing. I fully adhere to mr. Unz’s views and strategy.

    Please commenters have a good read of the main body of text.

  126. walker says:

    Wow, the close-mindedness in these comments is pretty sad.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  127. @Je Suis Omar Mateen

    Some people are born with keen BS detectors and others – like Unz, Sailer, et al – love love love the aroma …

    Not only the aroma but also the drama…

  128. RFK Jr may well have unorthodox views on vaccines but that doesn’t mean they are not rooted in science. He once regarded anti-vaccine campaigners as crazy.

    For an explanation of how Kennedy eventually became an “anti-vaxxer” himself you need to look at his previous environmental campaigning and the fact that he reads science papers. Here is Steve Kirsch’s explantion for this change of stance.

    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/how-rfk-jr-went-from-a-good-guy-to

    • Replies: @utu
  129. Emslander says:
    @Ron Unz

    Maybe you should read all that material yourself, and see what you think.

    Dr. Mason couldn’t make the assertions he does if he had read the book. He would, at least, have to adjust his aim so that he was hitting the target.

    There are two lines of arguments involving the AIDS section of his book.

    –The first is the basic disagreement over what the disease even is and whether it’s caused by any virus. I have no opinion on that issue and Kennedy asserts rather weakly that he kind of agrees with the Fauci position.

    –The second line of discussion and, to me the most important, is the extent to which health care funding and its exploitation have become a worldwide criminal enterprise that, in order to continue as it has, requires a mob-like regime of intimidation, silencing and murder.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  130. walker says:
    @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    I have done hands-on work with retroviruses (not HIV itself, admittedly) and got some idea of what they can do. The green fluorescence glow when the transfected gene for some GFP fusion protein is expressed is a sight to behold

    Hilarious.

    Color me shocked that deferring to scientists like this guy has precipitated the next phase of the decline of civilization.

    As it turns out, so-called scientists being churned out by western universities are effectively investigators of a simulated video game-like reality all orchestrated through the funding of the NIH, FDA and other centralized amoral so-called science funding groups. The universities are hollow (not hallowed) intuitions perpetuating this total disgusting fraud under the guise of a high-minded love for human progress. All the admin sit on FAT salaries in comfy offices and contribute nothing except conditioning the next phase of young adults to tow the simulated party line.

    It is no longer defensible to even listen to these evil dufuses except to mock their retarded view of reality.

    In short, fuck science, scientists and university. Is that clear enough?

  131. I read Duesberg’s “Inventing the AIDS Virus” when it first came out and I read Lauritsen, Farber, and others. So I was well aware of the foundations of the Fauci empire. It was built on the back of the AIDS fraud and the forced prescription of AZT on anyone who tested positive for HIV, whether they were sick or not. Most Africans did not test positive for HIV; rather they were included because they fit the right profile.

    The real heart of Fauci’s AIDS empire is still the foundation of the Covid 19 juggernaut. The same players are involved. According to the released Fauci emails, when his colleague, Kristian Anderson, commented to him in an email that some of the characteristics of the SARS Cov2 virus looked “engineered,” Fauci immediately went into hyperdrive to suppress this story. This is how he responded to Duesberg and others. Fauci immediately called his business partner at the Wellcome Foundation, Jeremy Farrar. Burroughs Wellcome was the drug company that provided AZT and that launched Fauci’s empire.

    A secret meeting took place with Fauci, officers of Wellcome Foundation, Anderson, and a few others who are not known. They met to strategize the suppression of the lab engineered theory. The result was several published papers on the zoonotic origin of SARS Cov 2 — all of them as unscientific and fraudulent as hell.

    The really important point of RFK’s book is the development of the Fauci empire. Just three organizations control about 60% of the medical research in the world — NIH (Fauci is the real boss of the NIH), Gates Foundation, and Wellcome Foundation. They promote research that creates new drugs that make a lot of money, and they suppress all other health research. In the case of AIDS, the only treatment was AZT. In the case of SARS Cov2, the only treatment is vaccines. People of the world are herded into these drugs which simply do not work and kill masses of people.

    • Agree: Alfred
  132. Emslander says:
    @Mr. Anon

    The response to COVID is completely unprecedented.

    The COVID thing had other purposes and then took on purposes never foreseen. It lives on and on, because the Left won’t let it go to waste. Hell, most of the standard Right won’t let it go to waste.

  133. The whole problem with modern societies, especially when they become as powerful as the United States is/was/?/, is that the lying, the deceit, the coverups from the top and working it’s way down to the public. If this could be improved, world hunger might actually be solved, including the general state of the world. But, alas, it doesn’t serve the elite and therefore will never happen. Everyday we are told lies, either directly or by omission. For example, their are many decent and well meaning people who work in the medical establishment. But these folks are countered by those who put profits, first and will lie to keep those profits coming in. In my opinion, Dr. Fauci, should be reamed out by Congress and not let go, until he admits what he knows about “gain of function” research and everything connected with it. This includes all those Americans who he has funded. This would be a big step in the right direction on never allowing this kind of crap to happen again. But, most of Congress and the Senate is made up of liars and scoundrels in both political parties and even on this, they cannot agree.. We can refer to those experts on statistics and everything else but what good would it be when it’s all built on lies and half truths? That’s enough evil said for the day..

  134. quantwolf says:

    Health is the war of the state.

    • Replies: @Marcion
    , @Mr. Anon
  135. @TKK

    Do you remember who picked up the tab?

    In the linked movie (actually it is worth watching the whole hour and a half–it has Fauci (lot earlier in his long life), Duesberg, Montegneir, Gallo, Mullis, and a couple other people who made alpha monkey careers on AIDS) they have a fat guy who died a few weeks after his interview bit.

    • Replies: @TKK
  136. @saggy

    I guess that ultimately this is Ron’s blog and his therapy, and he can say what he wants.

    However, if he reads 70,000 words in support of Duesberg’s extinct theory, then he might as well read a few thousand words on the current state of play, before he writes his next article on whether Lamarckian deism should be revisited.

    But not only does he need to say what the arguments are in favor of the Duesberg theory, but what are his recommendations for future treatment of HIV and AIDS.

    It is not enough to say “Well, I just want to ask questions.” If you want to play with the big boys, then you have to be prepared to make treatment decisions affecting thousands of lives and the quality of life of thousands of dependents of persons who are HIV+ve, and be personally responsible for the outcomes.

    Would you really want to make that decision and face the possibility of going down in history as a rival to Mbeki for cluelessness and ignorance.

    Would a putative Unzist governor of California have to make such decisions about how budgets are to be spent on antivirals or would his job just involve asking questions?

    Would we see newspaper headlines like: “Gov to Gays, Satan’s Spawn Can Go To Hell”?

    Here is an article in which Duesberg got mainstream press coverage, albeit a while back.

    https://www.theguardian.com/science/blog/2012/feb/21/death-denial-hiv-aids

    And this is where we are now with AIDS.

    https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-CDS-HIV-18.51

    https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/2172322-overview

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @W
  137. @SafeNow

    Did you know the occasion of Benjamin Franklin becoming on the rise to fame was a vaccination controversy?

    https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/becomingamer/ideas/text7/smallpoxinoculation.pdf

    They did the numbers. 2% of the people who got the smallpox vaccination died. 14% of the people who did not get the smallpox vaccination died. In those previous harrowing times getting the vax improved your odds 7X.

    The vaxxers did the numbers and there is a high probability they cooked the books at least a little bit. Ben Franklin was pro-vax. His older brother James published an anti-vax newspaper.

    1721!

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @utu
  138. Emslander says:
    @Jim Christian

    Fauci, asked about the Kennedy book last week issues no denial, only personal insult towards Kennedy as unstable, ill even.

    In the Soviet Union if you disagreed with Bolshevism you were mentally ill. The test for Fauci on science is that, if you disagree with him on it, you disagree with science. Since he’s the standard of sanity, if you disagree with Fauci on anything, you’re insane.

    Can no one rid us of this?

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  139. Poco says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You and I had an acrimonious exchange on the subject of mass lockdowns in the early days of the covid show. Glad to see you’ve come around.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  140. @Emslander

    The second line of discussion and, to me the most important, is the extent to which health care funding and its exploitation have become a worldwide criminal enterprise that, in order to continue as it has, requires a mob-like regime of intimidation, silencing and murder.

    I don’t disagree on this as much as you seem to think.

    For example I have said in earlier posts that BioNTech is paying about 30% taxes on profits to Germany while Pfizer is paying as little as 7.5% in the US, and I have proposed that Covid-19 vaccine makers that have not sold vaccines at cost like AstraZeneca should pay a windfall tax on excess profits from Covid-19 vaccines.

    Deafening silence from everyone on Unz.com on that one.

    Why has the US not approved more vaccines to give citizens more choice, allowing only Pfizer/BioNTech, Moderna, and J&J/Janssen, but shutting out AstraZeneca, Sputnik V, Sinopharm, Sinovac, and Bharat Biotech BBV152 COVAXIN?

    Pfizer/BioNTech and J&J/Janssen were both developed in Europe, and only Moderna, which was partly finance by Fauci’s United States National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), was developed in the US.

    Is the market in the US rigged in favor of profits for Moderna? Who is making the profit from this. Are Fauci and his family personally profiting? Good questions.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  141. @walker

    Enlighten us then. What’s your take?

  142. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Meanwhile, AIDS in Africa was something entirely different, probably caused mostly by malnutrition or other local conditions.

    To assert that AIDS is not caused by HIV is one thing, but to hazard such wild conjecture is unforgiveable, especially in a debate purported to be about the science of AIDS. Africa, a continent of some 54 sovereign states is being stereotyped to fit a bigoted hypothesis. Many, if not most, African countries do not have malnutrition issues although that is the stereotype that the ignorant MSM will promote.

    I do not claim expertise on all of Duesberg’s debates on the etiology of AIDS, but in one such debate appearing in the prestigious scientific journal, Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, he made a compelling case by arguing that HIV as a cause of AIDS did not satisfy Koch’s hypothesis on disease causation. But in so doing, he committed the exact same sin in proposing the use of recreational drugs as the cause(s) of AIDS without providing any credible criteria that satisfied Koch’s hypothesis. If indeed that were the case, then there is no explanation for the large numbers of recreational drug users who have not contracted AIDS.

    Circa 1996, I attended Duesberg’s presentation in Ft. Lauderdale, FL where he advanced his hypotheses. Again, being a virologist with expertise on retroviruses, he reiterated his position on HIV being innocuous. I did ask him about the disease manifestation in Africans. He did not have any credible explanation. I suggested to him that when it came to Africans, the laws of disease causation and pathogenesis appear to be conveniently brushed aside. Africans would certainly not fit his theory of drug use, since at the time, hard drug use (cocaine, opium) was not common in Africa.

    WTF does “or other local conditions” mean? Is this yet another laughable explanation on the serious discourses on the cause of AIDS?

    But if all these different illnesses were actually caused by a single HIV virus, such completely divergent syndromes would seem puzzling anomalies, difficult to explain from a scientific perspective.

    A rather weak argument which does not allow for genetic differences between different ethnicities. Some infections or disease conditions have ethnic distribution. Malaria in Africans has different clinical manifestations from that seen in Whites, which is often fatal if untreated. Immunity in endemic areas would partly explain that. Beyond that, the same microbe can cause different manifestations of disease depending on many factors, including genetic ones.

    All that said, if AIDS is indeed caused by recreational drug use, try convincing those said to harbor the HI virus to abandon their daily antiretroviral (ARV) medications. Current cocktails are said to have saved millions of lives. To my knowledge, they are designed by molecular modeling which examines structure of the “fictional” virus to come up with compounds that inhibit various stages of the virus. Newly diagnosed individuals’ blood can be tested for strain identification and their in vitro susceptibility to ARVs to help identify the combo of choice. None of this is definitive proof that AIDS is the cause of AIDS. But recreational drug use is no more convincing. It has not gone beyond speculation.

    A possibility that was being floated in the early days of AIDS was that HIV was man made. Now, especially given the animated discussions on that possibility for Covid here at UR, that remains a distinct possibility for a pathogenic version of HIV. In the context of germ warfare, an innocuous HIV template can easily be engineered to incorporate virulence factors, cell affinity molecules, cell apoptosis (death) factors and so on. Now that would be a field worthy of serious investigative journalism.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  143. Poco says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    The smallpox vaccination was an actual vaccine. There’s no indication that the covid injections are vaccines.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  144. AWM says:

    Regular anal exposure to foreign DNA causes health problems that billions of dollars and decades later researchers still can’t solve and probably never will.

    • Thanks: Sarah
  145. Vlad says:
    @Ed L.

    Ron the effort will at some point be impossible to calculate it’s importance. The time is just not yet but when it’s time it will not be possible to do again. Now would be a good time to think about how to harden it against the attacks that will eventually come.

  146. Dystopian says:
    @Wokechoke

    Even the CDC admits that AIDS victims are mostly homosexuals but government tried to make it an issue for everyone. Even though it is virtually impossible to transmit AIDS with heterosexual vaginal sex the medical establishment released tons of propaganda that suggested the contrary. Yes it is a nasty disease but it is almost 100% preventable. All you have to do is stop sticking your penis in other men’s anuses.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  147. Jiminy says:

    While reading this latest article about aids, I was thinking back to over thirty years ago when my brother had a really bad motorbike accident. He ended up spending six months in hospital on his back, while receiving 73 packs of blood. He at one stage had the record for the most blood used there. But I remember we all used to worry about the risks involved with all of that blood. Was it contaminated? Around that time a lot of people contracted aids from blood transfusions in France. Here we all had our fingers crossed. But he ended up being one of the lucky ones.

  148. @saggy

    That’s the bottom line for your 4,100 word article. It’s a joke.

    In 1983 in my Biochem 300 class, a prof was “explaining” the mechanism of HIV/AIDS. She went on to explain the infected group (homo men) were ripe for the establishment of the AIDS epidemic.

    This is the question I asked, “So, there is no investigation of similar HIV/AIDS outcomes from heterosexuals that, other than gay sex behaviour, that show similar outcomes”? It was a sight to behold… SILENCE, for about 5 seconds, and her face went beet red! Reply, “I DON’T KNOW”.

    So back to your disparagement of Ron’s well explained article:

    IT’ S A JOKE! RIGHT?

    • Replies: @saggy
  149. W says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    The reason that Kennedy Jr.’s book has been largely ignored by the publishing and medical industries is that the man is a known conspiracy theorist nutcase who has been churning out stuff like this for years

    This may be a legitimate argument for pseudo skeptics but those of us who don’t worship the official narrative will find it lacking. We know Insocs Misnistry of Health have a vested instreast in keeping people sick and regularly engage in suppression of anything that threatens its profits.

    The Unz Review has been a useful source of alternative opinions over the years, but is now probably being superseded by Substack

    Obvious concern trolling is obvious. Someone who seeks alternative information wouldn’t call RFK Jr a “conspiracy theorist nutcase”, nor would they think being ignored by legacy media is a demerit.

    I won’t even go though your search history, you’re a Wizard of Oz 2.

  150. W says:
    @Justvisiting

    Agreed–one of their techniques is to push false information and then knock it down as a “crazy conspiracy theory”. I would put “flat Earth” and “Q” as two recent examples. They do not need to create the phony theory–all they need to do is find one and then publicize it to the max.

    Which begs the question why legacy media didn’t knock down the Aids thing. Why did they ignore it?

  151. TKK says:
    @Emil Nikola Richard

    Hi Emil,

    No I don’t remember because I was just a lowly bus boy who mopped the floors and had no access to the inner workings but I do remember the place was very expensive, overpriced and run by……Jews.

    Rim shot. But it was. They were so cheap they would not let us have leftovers, a real perk for the working class. I remember hiding in the walk in and stuffing my mouth as fast as I could with some type of appetizers made of mushrooms.

    They would have totally gone along with a scam. As long as they were paid a lot.

    The movie link did not publish.

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  152. @Anon

    But in so doing, he committed the exact same sin in proposing the use of recreational drugs as the cause(s) of AIDS without providing any credible criteria that satisfied Koch’s hypothesis. If indeed that were the case, then there is no explanation for the large numbers of recreational drug users who have not contracted AIDS.

    It is perfectly simple. HIV is a bloodborne pathogen, just like hepatitis B. It is transmitted when intravenous drug users share equipment such as needles and syringes.

    However, anyone who has any clinical experience knows that many junkies lie like shit about their drug use and practices, and may claim to have become HIV +ve by some other means.

    When people deny all risk factors and yet they are HIV +ve, then some researchers think there must be another mechanism.

    Obviously yes, sometimes people get Kaposi’s sarcoma, candidiasis, toxoplasmosis, or tuberculosis without being HIV +ve, because they are opportunistic infections that require exposure. People living in different climates, different continents are exposed to different pathogens.

    Stay tuned, as next week we discuss whether the square wheel needs to be invented and other vexed questions that are troubling Americans.

    What distinguishes AIDS is that the immune system is so damaged by the HIV virus that when the CD4 count goes below about 200, the body cannot fight off these bacterial, fungal, parasite, and viral infections that are floating around in the environment. Kaposi sarcoma is caused by human herpesvirus8, and probably people are exposed to it all the time, but only when the immune system is damaged does it become a problem.

  153. One of Duesberg’s central claims was that the disease known as “AIDS” didn’t actually exist, but was merely the official label attached to a group of more than two dozen different illnesses, all of which had a variety of different causes, with only some of these being infectious agents. Indeed, most of these illnesses had been known and treated for many decades, but they were only designated “AIDS” if the victim was also found to test positive for the HIV virus, which probably had nothing to do with the condition.

    Not much different for Covid:-19 flu/cold symptoms are designated as Covid-19 if supported with a positive test for the Covid-19 virus.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  154. W says:
    @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    Do you believe humans evolved from a single cell organism?

    Do you believe in the big bang theory?

    Do you believe in the magic bullet theory?

    Do you believe in black holes?

    Do you believe that a fire made the Twin Towess explode?

    (Do you deny that the twin towers exploded?)

    There is more evidence that water has memory than the above.

    Now take your booster mudblood.

  155. An AIDs epidemic that ended in Africa and elsewhere when (PAY ATTENTION HERE ) when India and other countries made generic drugs for dollars and cents to sell to Africa and other countries.
    I don’t know if these were exact copies of Big Pharma drugs or placebos.
    Is reverse engineering foolproof or was the formula for these drugs a harmless placebo intentionally released to these generic manufacturers?

  156. Ron Unz says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    However, if he reads 70,000 words in support of Duesberg’s extinct theory, then he might as well read a few thousand words on the current state of play, before he writes his next article on whether Lamarckian deism should be revisited.

    You really should read more carefully. The 70,000 words included the 10,000 word article in the NYRB by Lancet Editor Richard Horton, who supports the orthodox HIV/AIDS consensus, and also the responses in Policy Review and Reason mostly by leading Duesberg critics, which totaled more than 20,000 words. So the material was hardly one-sided.

  157. @Anon

    doctors are a lot more ignorant than the public thinks they are.

    It is easy to tell the difference between a good doctor and a bad one.

    A good doctor offers both pharmaceutical and natural approaches as remedies, acknowledges that every patient is a human being entitled to make their own decisions, and also acknowledges that there are always risks with any approach.

    A bad doctor is an arrogant and authoritarian jerk, insisting that they are the experts who have all the answers, and only patients who are fools or a crazy conspiracy theorists reading crackpot theories on the Internet fail to appreciate the doc’s brilliance.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon, Mark G.
  158. @man

    Man.

    Huh.

    Double plastic bag over head; secure with double wrapped elastic around neck.

  159. @ariadna

    “The pattern of the hoax remains the same.”

    This. The purveyors of the AIDS hoax also supplied the data PROVING it a hoax, just like the CoronaHoax purveyors supply the data proving it a hoax as well. And the clotshot manufactures supplied the trial data proving the clotshots are approx 0.6% effective when compared to doing nothing (ie, relative risk reduction), but Trumpeted the meaningless 94.1% absolute risk reduction number. But all the data is there for any numerate person to arrive at the correct conclusion.

  160. fredtard says:
    @James N. Kennett

    ‘The success of multi-antiretroviral therapy is both the product of the mainstream theory that HIV causes AIDS, and the vindication of that theory.”

    I’m no expert on antivirals, but I understand that they are broad spectrum biocides, some more broadly and seriously toxic than others. They impact all organisms, pathogens (including viruses) and hosts alike. Side effects of current PREP antivirals are numerous and serious, more so than most long-term drug therapies such as blood pressure meds or statins.

    Vaccines, on the other hand, are almost universally pathogen-specific. And the decades-long, trillion dollar search for an AIDS vaccine, all based on the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, has been an abject failure.

    So either we don’t know what we think we know about vaccines, or the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is wrong. Take your pick. I don’t see any other explanation for the failure of the AIDS vaccine effort. I understand retroviruses mutate rather quickly, but so do coronaviruses and influenza viruses, no?

    Bottom line: you can’t point to the effectiveness of broad-spectrum therapeutics, while avoiding the abject failure of pathogen-specific vaccines, both based on the HIV/AIDS hypothesis, as “case closed” support for that hypothesis.

    • Agree: Alfred
  161. RAD1 says:
    @AG2522

    Hello
    The references you request are in Ray Peat’s September 2021 Newsletter. For the 2005 article showing the toxicity of Corona virus spike protein: A crucial role of angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) in SARS coronavirus-induced lung injury. Nat Med. 2005 Aug: 11(8) 875-879 Kuba K, et al.

    The reference for Corona virus antibody toxicity to lung tissue: Antibody to severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-associated coronavirus spike protein domain 2 cross-reacts with lung epithelial cells and causes cytotoxicity. Clin Exp Immunol. 2005 Sept; 141(3): 500-8 Lin Y S, et al.

    I have not read either article, but I have known Ray for over 40 years, and I trust his accuracy and interpretations.

    Thanks for the reference.

    I quit my part time work (semi-retired physician at age 76) because the Oregon Medical Board stated all physicians, unless vaccinated must cease seeing patients as of October 18th 2021. Fortunately for me this is not a financially catastrophe, but physicians still practicing in Oregon are not free to be honest. I hope for all my coworkers and neighbors who have been jabbed that Montagnier is not right.

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Anon
  162. @Poco

    The smallpox vaccination was an actual vaccine.

    And a key concept is that the smallpox scene, is being repeated with this current farce called covid, complete with glib irresponsible yet authoritarian medical practitioners, tyrannical overbearing politicians with their laws on mandatory vaccination, false claims and perverted history.Same with the AIDS show as far as I can tell.

    In fact, many of the condemnable features of this covid foolishness have been repeated with many other commonly used vaccines over the past century.

    I do not do Farcebook, but,

    Dr. Suzanne Humphries
    August 13 ·

    History is repeating itself and lots of arguments to current day issues are addressed in there, unbeknownst to us at the time of writing.

    https://dissolvingillusions.com/
    https://www.facebook.com/drsuzanne

  163. @Ron Unz

    I doubt there’s going to be any getting through to this guy Ron. In other threads here Mason is defending Gislane Maxwell and George Floyd.

    The guy is a crazy old liberal neocon boomer who spends his life on this website

  164. The article does not mention sexual transmission of HIV and/or AIDS, or whatever it is that makes people sick. But I thought it had been proven a thousand times over that sexual is the main method of transmission – beyond any doubt.

    Then, intravenous drugs (not intervenous) are not recreational drugs. The disease is not transmitted by pills, it is transmitted by bodily fluids from person A to person B.

    If there is something in those fluids that A) causes the disease and B) can be transmitted to another person, it can be found by fluids analysis. After doing lots of searching, scientists discovered HIV as the culprit.

    Duesenberg argues that it is not HIV’s fault. What is the cause then and why it has not been found over the last 40+ years? Hiding in the precious bodily fluids of millions of people!

    You know, I suspect the true reason why medical journals refuse to publish such theories is the exact same reason they refuse to publish articles arguing that the Earth is flat, or articles about chem trails being spreaders of disease, or articles about tin-foil hats as effective protection from brain-washing UV rays of extraterrestrial origin.

    Sorry, but the HIV/AIDS argument discredits what Kennedy has to say about the Corona virus. OBVIOUSLY, there is huge military interest in such things, and OBVIOUSLY, there has to be a power structure and a management structure. And Fauci is one of the top bosses. But this does not warrant a tome as thick as the Bible, and is not news to anyone with at least some knowledge of the dark side of government.

    Keep writing!

  165. Marcion says:
    @quantwolf

    Health certainly requires the ability to ignore the state.

  166. W says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    I guess that ultimately this is Ron’s blog and his therapy, and he can say what he wants.

    How generous of you.

    But not only does he need to say what the arguments are in favor of the Duesberg theory, but what are his recommendations for future treatment of HIV and AIDS.

    Who made this rule? James Randi? Michael Shermer? Richard Dawkins?

    His obligation was to provide his honest opinion and to back up his claims with facts. His obligation ended there.

    It is not enough to say “Well, I just want to ask questions.” If you want to play with the big boys, then you have to be prepared to make treatment decisions affecting thousands of lives and the quality of life of thousands of dependents of persons who are HIV+ve, and be personally responsible for the outcomes

    If Unz or anyone made a treatment recommendation that ran afoul of the Misnistry of Medicine you would met them with the same sarcasm, derision, and imperious attitude James N. Kennett saggy, El Dato and yourself displayed in this thread.

    I’ll make a recommendation: Gerson therapy. There is plenty of evidence that it works for degenerative diseases but the concept that a disease can be cured with alternative medicine is offensive to your Parson sensibilities.

    You’ll ask for a mainstream study and when I can’t give you one you’ll say something condescending while touching yourself and feeling superior

    I’ll explain that alternative medicine that threatens big medicine is suppressed and you’ll say something like “that’s what you conspiracy theorist always say” and touch yourself some more.

    I’ll point out that Gerson therapy was banned in the US and you’ll justify the ban because it contradicts the Misnistry of Medicine…and continue to touch yourself.

    Dying To Have Known” (Proof about Gerson Therapy)

    And this is where we are now with AIDS.

    https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-CDS-HIV-18.51

    This is where you are.

  167. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You are preaching to the choir. Your assumption that HIV leads to AIDS is exactly what this UR piece is challenging. Speaking of reinventing the wheel!

  168. @The Anti-Gnostic

    It’s been a while …

    I think it must have been. Look again at Inventing the AIDS Virus. Duesberg never backs away from his characteriztion of HIV as “a harmless passenger virus.” He never suggests that there is anything in HIV that “a homosexual with an over-stimulated and eventually overwhelmed immune system from numerous, exotic bacterial infections and chronic use of recreational drugs” might succumb to. On the contrary, he stresses that the numerous infections and the chronic drug use are far from being matters of marginal importance.

  169. @Commentator Mike

    Not much different for Covid:-19 flu/cold symptoms are designated as Covid-19 if supported with a positive test for the Covid-19 virus.

    According to the CDC even a fake “positive” test isn’t necessary.

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/05/covid19-death-figures-a-substantial-over-estimate/

    In the United States, a briefing note from the CDC’s National Vital Statistics Service read as follows [our emphasis]:

    “It is important to emphasise that Coronavirus Disease 19, or Covid-19, should be reported for all decedents where the disease caused or is presumed to have caused or contributed to death.”

    “Presumed to have caused”? “Contributed”? That’s incredibly soft language, which could easily lead to over-reporting.

    The referenced detailed “guidance” was released April 3rd, and is no better [again, our emphasis]:

    “In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely.”

  170. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @AmericanScum

    Wait a fucking minute !!!! I am white and born in the USA. Although I have not lived there in 35 years. I have no use for the bullshit hype and lies. I have money and travel all over the middle east. Why, Because I like it……and I basically agree with everything that you say here. Bravo….so speak to me before you shoot ! I am not holding and basically against violence…but sooner or later the shit is going to hit the fan for the misery that the USA has played all across the globe wherever they put the finger. That’s the rule and there is no getting around it…..KARMA is real and always comes around.
    “Don’t shoot ! I am only the piano player “””””

  171. I still believe that the reason an AIDS epidemic was never officially declared was because of a GlobalHomo lobby threatening extortion and blackmail against leaders in government and private sector and the pushback against homosexuals being cast as a sick and unhealthy subhuman class of degenerates.
    When you look at what 2SLGBTQQIAPWXYZ have become, they’re now in your face with drag Queen story time, gays in every movie or series, (same with blacks), gay indoctrination of underage kids, the list is despicable and it’s the same with blacks.

    The time for declaring 2SLGBTQQIAPWXYZ a mental disorder may have expired for many, but for most of us, they are a threat to the present and long term existence of humanity. (The same with blacks)

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  172. @TKK

    Here it is again:

    House of Numbers: Anatomy of an Epidemic (2009)

    The film maker did a remarkable job getting Fauci et al to go on the record regarding Duesberg who they would absolutely unanimously prefer to pretend has never existed in our universe history. Stealth weaponry.

  173. saggy says: • Website
    @bike-anarkist

    IT’ S A JOKE! RIGHT?

    It’s not a joke, the three threads on HIV, and the one on the Apollo hoax, are off the chart – completely imbecilic.

    Your post is a fine example –

    So, there is no investigation of similar HIV/AIDS outcomes from heterosexuals

    Let me clear that up for you – you must have missed it the first time I posted it 2 threads back …

    From the abstract for the Padian study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9270414/

    Overall, 68 (19%) of the 360 female partners of HIV-infected men (95% confidence interval (CI) 15.0-23.3%) and two (2.4%) of the 82 male partners of HIV-infected women (95% CI 0.3-8.5%) were infected.

    As for the moronic Duesberg Hypothesis:

    The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (PDF)

    I posted the following 1 thread back: AIDS is diagnosed when there is a positive HIV test and the CD4 cell count is less than 200. This paper explains how HIV attacks CD4 cells –
    Pathophysiology of CD4+ T-Cell Depletion in HIV-1 and HIV-2 Infections – https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440548/

    The hall mark of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection is a gradual loss of CD4+ T-cells and imbalance in CD4+ T-cell homeostasis, with progressive impairment of immunity that leads ultimately to death. HIV infection in humans is caused by two related yet distinct viruses: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-2 is typically less virulent than HIV-1 and permits the host to mount a more effective and sustained T-cell immunity. Although both infections manifest the same clinical spectrum, the much lower rate of CD4+ T-cell decline and slower progression of disease in HIV-2 infected individuals have grabbed the attention of several researchers. Here, we review the most recent findings on the differential rate of decline of CD4+ T-cell in HIV-1 and HIV-2 infections and provide plausible reasons for the observed differences between the two groups.

    Yet the idiots continue to post absolute nonsense on the three HIV threads and the Apollo hoax thread. Thi entire site is turning into a joke. Unz should quit publishing these idiotic articles.

  174. @allergic2katz

    I was going to post the exact same thing when I ran across yours.

    It’s hard to criticize Ron because he has given us such a great website.

  175. @a mystery within a mystery within a

    But I thought it had been proven a thousand times over that sexual is the main method of transmission – beyond any doubt.

    You thought wrong. It was at least fifteen years ago that the CDC, using a large body of sexual-contact data amassed over about twenty years, declared (i.e., admitted) that the likelihood of becoming HIV-positive after unprotected sexual contact with an HIV-positive man was 1 in 200.

    To provide a frame of reference, the chances of contracting syphilis during unprotected sex are 1 in 2. The chances of contracting gonorrhea during unprotected sex are 1 in <1.1.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  176. @Abolish_public_education

    Strongly disagree; as shown not least by the vaxxes (and this here topic)
    it is the private funding that gets us in the shit.
    (I admit to remnant illusions about the purity of science 😀 )

    On the other OT, there´s sooth … the atmosphere limits optical resolution
    to ~10cm (4in.) and that standard was reached decades ago; active mirrors
    are not feasible in orbit (weight, motion).

  177. @Flying Dutchman

    Beyond that, any “intervention”, any attempt at forcible segregation and suppression, could only be counterproductive. And so it has proven every step of the way.

    After the “isolation” of the SARS-CoV-2 (in silico attributions), the govmnts resorted to fear and coercion from the get go. I t didn’t take much for me to investigate the mask protocols for public health, as I NEVER experienced a health care pro wearing a mask for ANYTHING other than surgery…
    sure enough, the best explanation was for the “sick to wear a mask in poor ventilated conditions as to interfere exhalations so that they cannot be directed”.

    But the underlying falsehood that was disseminated far and wide was,
    ” The Government has declared that from now until eternity, NATURE MUST BE FEARED! We have no choice but to intervene in everyone’s immunity and health because life is now dictated by edicts from the Government. A person’s own body sovereignty is verboten.”

    • Agree: Flying Dutchman, Kali
  178. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Is the market in the US rigged in favor of profits for Moderna?

    There was a report on Moderna when the vaccines first showed up. According to the writer, Moderna was on the verge of bankruptcy in January of 2020. It had paid a stable of developers for quite some time who had not come up with a patentable snake oil in years. Employees were warned that the end was near. Then, miraculously, SARS2-CV19 was found squalling on its doorstep. Just as miraculously, the developers came up with the perfect mRNA gene sequence within three days of the virus being sequenced. (I’m just writing these fancy words down. I have no idea what they mean or if they mean anything.)

    The stock of the publicly traded company was in the single digits one day and at nearly 500 within months. Anyone who had openly acquired understanding of the significance of the science could have turned a pretty penny. It wasn’t insider knowledge. I may be wrong, but I think NIH and NIAID were closely involved with Moderna. Others here can be more specific.

    There’s a report today on CNBC by a financial analyst who tracks Moderna. He says that the current stock price assumes a need for 15 additional booster rounds of the slop, if you can comprehend the idiocy of that. He was bearish on the stock because he thought that, in the future, you’d get a positive PRC test and then buy the new patented antiviral pill to treat the disease. No boosters. I guess there must be people with this much dependence.

    Stinks to high heaven.

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  179. W says:
    @a mystery within a mystery within a

    https://web.randi.org/ sent reinforcements I see.

    You know, I suspect the true reason why medical journals refuse to publish such theories is the exact same reason they refuse to publish articles arguing that the Earth is flat, or articles about chem trails being spreaders of disease, or articles about tin-foil hats as effective protection from brain-washing UV rays of extraterrestrial origin

    Wow!! A debunker who thinks snark and sarcasm is a substitute for agurment. I’ve never seen that before! 👏 👏

    Deliberately attaching nonsense to AIDS/HIV so one will make a conscious or subconscious association to the subject you wish to attack? 👏 👏 👏

    How did you get so smart?

    How did your brain get so big?
    🙄

    A pseudo-skeptic would put flat earth on the same level as HIV skepticism, you put all anti official narrative/ anti Ingsoc material on the same level as flat earth, and why not? Stupidity, ignorance, naivety, and gullibility are the only reasons anyone would question Ingsoc to top minds like you.

    Duesenberg argues that it is not HIV’s fault. What is the cause then and why it has not been found over the last 40+ years? Hiding in the precious bodily fluids of millions of people!

    Precious bodily fluids? That’s what he said in the movie!! He said in the movie! You dirty dog! You did the thing! Hahaha hahaha hahaha!! I-
    👏 👏 👏 👏

    Sorry, but the HIV/AIDS argument discredits what Kennedy has to say about the Corona virus

    Not if he backs up his claims with facts…right?

    Right?

    A top mind like you already knows that. A honest mistake I’m sure.

    ….Unless you’re trying to simply discredit RFK Jr. No, you would never do that, not a rational top mind like you.

    Keep writing!

    Very smart.
    👏 👏 👏 👏 👏

    • LOL: Kali
  180. Mr. Anon says:
    @quantwolf

    Health is the war of the state.

    That’s a nice twist on Randolph Bourne’s aphorism.

    My own formulation was: Sickness is the health of the state.

  181. @El Dato

    They are both true statements.

  182. @saggy

    So it boils down to a “not a debate” 30-40 years after the fact, but to who
    can assert the loudest minutiae from 30-40years ago, that never had the proper scientific rigor of discussion, as fact.

    Again your yelling of minutiae of 30-40 years ago does not make it a scientific done deal, and disparaging any that can see through your yelling, reveals essentially the narrative dictum we are experiencing now. Same shit, different colour.

    … and another straw man,

    “Yet the idiots continue to post absolute nonsense on the three HIV threads and the Apollo hoax thread. This entire site is turning into a joke.”

    The joke is on you.
    You are allowed on here?!

  183. @James N. Kennett

    Well wouldn’t anything seemingly ‘work’ against something like HIV that is not causing anything?

  184. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    What distinguishes AIDS is that the immune system is so damaged by the HIV virus that when the CD4 count goes below about 200, the body cannot fight off these bacterial, fungal, parasite, and viral infections that are floating around in the environment.

    What distinguishes AIDS is that it is caused primarily by perverted sexual practices.

  185. @saggy

    Unz should quit publishing these idiotic articles.

    Establishment Narrative good.
    Science without political direction and oversight bad.

    One wonders how many times a day saggy, Mr. Mason, Mr. Kennett, El Dato, and others on this thread repeat this formula or something much like it as they look forward to another happy encounter with their mistress, Lady Conformity.

    Unlike Fauci, Peter Duesberg has never killed anyone, let alone tens of thousands, nor has he ever profited beyond the remunerative norm from his scientific work. Unlike Bill Gates, RFK Jr. has never tried to manipulate and distort the economy towards a kind of totalitarian monopoly never heretofore attempted or perhaps even dreamt of.

    All of my life I have thought of the entire Kennedy clan as white trash at best, an organized crime syndicate at worst.* As I near the end of my days, I rejoice that in Bobby’s son, I see a Kennedy that, to my astonishment, I can admire.
    ___________________
    *I was a junior in a Catholic high school during the 1960 election. Virtually the entire faculty, laymen and religious alike, were Nixon supporters. I still recall overhearing one teacher say to another, “How could anyone vote for a transparent con artist with a Southie accent?” I recall that in part because it was my first experience of hearing Southie used to refer to someone who wasn’t from Dixie.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  186. @Pierre de Craon

    1 in 200 is not negligible odds, Pierre. If your chances of remaining uninfected after one sexual encounter are 199/200, your chances of remaining uninfected after 50, 100, 200 sexual encounter are__________ ? Do the math.

    • Agree: Sarah
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
    , @Sisifo
  187. @Pierre de Craon

    OK, thanks. The experiment would be injecting healthy, monomgamous adults with HIV so I imagine it will remain a hypothesis.

  188. @Pierre de Craon

    This is why someone like Magic Johnson can be HIV positive for years and never get AIDS, ie one of the other conditions that is being called AIDS. I actually know someone who was killed by remdesivir and think we should be putting a lot of people on trial for murder. I actually saw a video by a pulmonary nurse who testified before a panel in South Carolina that they are killing people in the hospitals and who stated if he gets covid he will not go to the hospital.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  189. Mr. Anon says:
    @saggy

    Overall, 68 (19%) of the 360 female partners of HIV-infected men (95% confidence interval (CI) 15.0-23.3%) and two (2.4%) of the 82 male partners of HIV-infected women (95% CI 0.3-8.5%) were infected.

    And it is of course entirely impossible that some of the sexual partners of HIV infected people might also share some of their partners social pathologies (like drug use)?

    As to the paper you linked to (thanks, by the way), I found it interesting that a major producer of CD4+ cells are the GALT tissues, many of which are in the lower intestine. Is there anything that homosexual men do which might effect the health of their lower intestine?

    I remember reading years ago about the mechanism by which HIV primarily acts by attacking and destroying T-cells faster than the body can produce them until the bodies immune system is simply exhausted and can’t produce any more. It seemed plausible to me, and I accepted it. I guess there are a finite number of such cells latent in your body (like eggs in the ovaries) and once they’re gone, they’re gone. Of course it was well understood that the earliest victims of AIDS, highly promiscuous homosexual men, had enormous disease loads from all manner of STDs. Many of them were routinely taking prophylactic antibiotics. In addition, they used a wide variety of recreational drugs, and anabolic steroids, which also have immuno-suppressant properties. What they were doing to their bodies could end up doing the same thing, couldn’t it?

    I’m not sold on the “HIV does not cause AIDS” idea, but isn’t it worth looking into? Much of the scientific / medical / public-heath establishment appears to me to be corrupt and/or incompetent. Isn’t it possible that they made a big mistake. Do institutions never make mistakes? If they can’t stand any questioning of their ideas, perhaps their ideas are just dogma. And they don’t tolerate questioning of their ideas. They simply shut down debate by engaging in character assassination or simply by official un-personning.

  190. Refuctio says:

    “ Today, a new generation of people, some who themselves have HIV, some who are afraid of getting it, and some with unspoken political agendas, are hearing the denialist story for the first time and finding it attractive. For many, it provides relief from the anxiety induced by a diagnosis of HIV infection or the fear of contracting it. For others, it reinforces the belief that life is full of conspiracies and that “mainstream” views are always wrong. For still others, it supports political and religious beliefs that allow them to condemn people’s behaviors, most notably, injection drug use and sex between men. For the politically inclined, it provides a rational-sounding excuse to reject spending public money on the problem. This mix of personal and political needs constitutes fertile ground for keeping the denialist view alive, no matter what the science actually says. But AIDS is not simply a matter of politics or belief. It is a real disease that has already killed vast numbers of people and threatens millions more in the near future.”
    Robert Koch Institute

    • Replies: @Sisifo
  191. AReply says:

    What is the structure of thought Unz is encouraging?

    He finds a rotting corpse of a editorial horse such as holocaust denialism in an web back alley, which stink is attractive to white libertarians (neé conservatives, neé Republicans) then Unz flogs the horse with many words (many unnecessary words repeating and lightly embellishing previous unnecessary strings of words) to get the stink up and down the alley, then passers-by start coughing, and reciting prayers against the devil, which inevitably brings up the hatred of the jooos, and the cycle completes with a claim about how large word-counts justify continuing skepticism of official narratives. This wheel goes around and around. The rest of the web knowing little else but the stink of dead horse, tends to hang out elsewhere.

    The cycle is so uniformly repetitive that if a person is producing it, he has turned himself into a machine. And if machines are producing this, much more work is needed to generate plausible news fodder.

    For the sake of argument, assume that ‘Ron Unz’, as manifest on this site, is an actual person — this is debatable. His cycle doesn’t have to work like this. Sure, any attention is better than no attention, but intellectual honestly and curiosity would allow seeking of and synthesis of points of view. What is generated is a lazy thump of reactionary amazement in a beat that syncopates with the most bigoted, imbecilic, and outlandish tendencies of the technocratic American Right. Manifest Ron Unz truly reckons the value of discourse by word counts! A search term produces a result with a lot of words, therefore we have a measure of reality of the term. Add more words to increase the reality. Note how this RFK book is a one-bot show to increase the number of words published for the search terms.

    Let the this logic of words apply to Unz’ observations about the influence of money on AIDS research:

    //According to Horton, financial considerations had become a central element of the scientific process, and he noted with horror that a press conference on research questioning the effectiveness of a particular anti-AIDS drug was actually packed with financial journalists, focused on the efforts of the corporate executives to destroy the credibility of a study that they themselves had helped to design but which had now gone against their own product.//

    In what way, does this observation apply to AIDS in a way different than for any other product announcement? NONE AT ALL, because our entire society is financialized! But Unz’ above paragraph adds about 60 more words to the count on the subject (‘marketplace of ideas’).

    The logic at work on this site is merely if-I-build-it-they-will-come to see a great lake of pseudo-scientific anecdotes. If there’s any other structure to the work, it’s hidden or lost or forgotten.

    It could be more entertaining and informative if it went gather to catalog the shit-storms of absurdity that are razing our mental commons. Forget about trying to expose hidden truths of the corruption and just celebrate the lunacy on its own terms without regard to knowledge: if they think it, Ron will publish and anthologize, and we will come.

    • Agree: Jonathan Mason
    • Replies: @Nancy
    , @cohen
  192. Mr. Anon says:
    @Zachary Smith

    However the career track of a lot of PhDs is more like this:

    Study for years

    Work on a mundane research project dictated by your advisor

    Write a dissertation that almost nobody reads (because it’s not very important)

    Get a PhD

    Never do any real research again (i.e. become a corporate manager or government bureaucrat)

    Remind everybody at every opportunity that you are a “Scientist”

    • Replies: @anon
  193. Mr. Anon says:
    @a mystery within a mystery within a

    Duesenberg argues that it is not HIV’s fault. What is the cause then and why it has not been found over the last 40+ years? Hiding in the precious bodily fluids of millions of people!

    His contention is that it was not hiding in their “precious bodily fluids”, but rather in the pill bottle in their medicine cabinet. Initially, they were dying of drugs (amyl nitrite, steroids, heroin, etc.) and rampant STDs. Subsequently they were dying from the very drugs they were given to treat them (like AZT).

    That is what Duesberg contends. It isn’t magic; it’s a plausible mechanism. It may be right, or it may be wrong, but it is not obscure.

    By the way, it’s “Duesberg”, not “Duesenberg”. The Duesenbergs were car manufacturers.

  194. Sean says:

    Professor Duesberg once threatened to inject himself with the HIV virus. To which someone said ‘Lets see you do it them’. But he didn’t; his sincerity was dubious. Claims about ones own country’s government being directed by intelligence service conspiracies and assassinations sound heroic but do the foremost conspiracy theorists really believe the things they say. If so they are heroic, because they are signing their own death warrant.

    • Replies: @Jack Sparrow
  195. @Zachary Smith

    Guy on Internet: “Bullshit.”

    That’s because it is bullshit. The only problem these whores and bootlicks study is how to serve their governmental, military and corporate masters to increase the corporate state’s power and profits.

    It’s long been clear the “scientific method” is at best a myth, and really a big lie. For how the science establishment really functions one needs to read Thomas Kuhn’s Structure of Scientific Revolutions.

    The science-industrial complex long has functioned under the complete control of the corporate science paradigm. All “hypotheses” and acceptable “evidence” are dictated and censored by the state, military and corporate funders.

    Of course, “Findings published [by the corporate marketing “science” journals], reported in [the heavily censored imperial corporate] press” says it all about the real character of the “findings”.

    • Replies: @Jack Sparrow
  196. Thim says:

    Kennedy discusses three possible explanations of the various shades of this syndrome called AIDS. It is in the book. If you havent read it yet, you have missed out. I consider it the most important book I have ever read, outside of the bible.

    It seems astonishing the sheer bulk of 40 years of lies, falsified research, tens of millions of needlessly dead bodies, an endless flow of tax money thay only ever increases. And how they flout the law as if it doesnt apply to them, even when prosecutors are on their trail. Fauci and his toadies squash all opposition and the uniparty rewards the evil with more money and power.

    Fauci belongs to intelligence. He is immune to all opposition for that reason. When I see Fauci, I see CIA.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  197. NY Viking says: • Website

    Ron, I guess two things:

    1. You haven’t read the illuminating book “Dr. Mary’s Monkey”

    2. You haven’t interviewed either Dr. Judy Mikovits or Dr. Ken Stoller

    Between these sources, you will arrive at the answer of what causes AIDS.

  198. @Emslander

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/10/investigative-reports/moderna-a-company-in-need-of-a-hail-mary/

    https://alethonews.com/2021/07/30/and-we-should-trust-the-science-of-the-pharma-industry/

    “Moderna and Fauci’s NIAID have collaborated on development of vaccines using Moderna’s mRNA platform and NIAID of Fauci on coronaviruses including MERS, since at least November, 2015. On January 13, 2020, before the first case of a supposed Wuhan, China “novel coronavirus” was even detected in the United States, Fauci’s NIAID and Moderna signed an updated cooperation agreement which described them as co-owners of a mRNA based coronavirus and that they had finalized a sequence for mRNA-1273, the vaccine now being given to millions for supposedly averting the novel coronavirus. That means that Fauci’s NIAID and perhaps Fauci personally (it’s allowed in the US) stood to reap huge financial benefits from emergency approval of the Moderna jab, yet Fauci has never admitted to the conflict publicly when he was Trump corona adviser, nor as Biden’s.

    “Ten days later on January 23, 2020 Moderna announced it was granted funding by CEPI, a vaccine fund created by Bill Gates’ foundation along with Davos WEF among others, to develop an mRNA vaccine for the Wuhan virus……..

    “In 2020 as its covid vaccine was in development, Pfizer paid \$13,150,000 in lobbying Congress and officials in Washington among others. Also notable is the fact that the Gates Foundation own shares of both Pfizer and their partner in the leading mRNA vaccine, BioNTech of Germany.”

    • Replies: @Emslander
  199. Emslander says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    Nothing to see here. Just move along. Nothing to see here.

  200. Emslander says:
    @Thim

    Tried to “Agree” but got the purple box.

    Perfect summation.

  201. @Zachary Smith

    Test hypothesis

    Since the scientist likes getting promotions and bonuses the hypothesis is that Big Pharma’s product is safe and effective.

    Since the peer review consists of other scientists on Big Pharma’s payroll the hypothesis passes peer review.

    The findings are published and reported in the press.

    Guy on Internet accuses scientist of being a Big Pharma whore.

    Big Pharma’s interlocking directorate owned mass media outlet declares Guy on Internet is a kooky conspiracy theorist.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  202. Abbybwood says:
    @Fart Blossom

    Here are the details of Pfizer’s fraudulent clinical trial data on their Covid jabs:

    https://rumble.com/embed/voaxg5/?pub=qdzr7&fbclid=IwAR06wGnQKWNcPqfc-uGhj4R6anwq_YjohyNrPoz1ZOSTPgmTbVcmFEpAIcg

    Everyone involved in this from Pfizer to Fauci to the FDA to the CDC should be indicted.

    We are talking about evidence of thousands dead and hundreds of thousands injured.

    Every doctor and nurse involved in the promoting of these poisons should be held responsible for not doing their due diligence prior to one jab. Obviously no “informed consent” was given because the negligent doctors and nurses never did appropriate research!

    And obviously all the so-called “journalists” in the MSM should be held culpable as well because none did serious research into these jabs and none did anything to alert the public. Because they are all on Pfizer’s payroll!

    • Thanks: Fart Blossom, W
    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  203. @RoatanBill

    This canard, that the mask wearing public has swallowed hook line and sinker, forces you to understand that 95 percent of the public are dumb as bricks.

    • Agree: RoatanBill
  204. Antiwar7 says:

    I was familiar with the Duesberg AIDS hypothesis, because I read a long, in-depth article about it in the late 1980’s in the Chicago Reader, an alternative newspaper. And it sounded convincing to me.

    But I didn’t think about it much since then. And since then, I never heard of any convincing refutation of it. So now that Ron has brought it up again, I do find it suspicious that he Duesberg was never scientifically refuted. A big thanks to RFK, Jr and Ron Unz for bringing this up again.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  205. Dutch Boy says:

    Duesberg’s point is actually fairly simple to understand: HIV cannot be the cause of AIDS because it fails to satisfy Koch’s postulates, which rules out AIDS as an infectious disease. He then supplies his theory: drug abuse (by homosexuals and heterosexual IV drug abusers) and contaminated Factor 8 supplies (in the case of hemophiliacs). An AIDS-like illness caused by the toxic anti-HIV drugs hit all these groups.

  206. durd says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ha ha !

    1986 I was driving to my camp 4 switchbacks up Tyler Foote Rd from the Middle Fork Yuba on the Sierra County side. I arrived at my camp only to hear what sounded like an elephant trumpeting while scurrying away up an impossible (for man) canyon side. I turned around with my barking dog Bert to escape and tell my unusual tale to a disbelieving group of semi ne’er-do-wells at the bridge.

    To this day I can’t think of what sort of animal it could have been. Way to loud and a different pitch than a cow. Not a bear, not a mountain lion. It was either an elephant or Bigfoot!

    I have spent 40 summers in the deep bush/forest and never heard it again. Nor have I seen one Nobel Laureate in the bush.

    Ron this is right in your backyard! If you don’t think crazy shit happens in our forests I suggest you visit Alleghany it might change/blow your mind.

    I have said this before on the net -check the Utah database if you have access through a blogger here. I’ll save my alien story for another time.

    • Replies: @Don Unf
  207. @nokangaroos

    optical resolution [limited] to ~10cm (4in.)

    I remember reading an exchange, described in Cuckoo’s Egg, between the author-astronomer and an NSA hiring manager. The spook was challenging him with technical questions:

    Spook: What’s the daytime high temp on the Martian equator?
    Stoll: 10 degrees.
    Spook: What’s the resolution of the XYZ optical telescope in LEO?
    Stoll: 0.05 arc seconds.
    Spook: Suppose we turned XYZ around to point at Earth?
    Stoll: Bad idea. The brightness would melt the mirror.
    Spook: Yes, but suppose we had solved that problem?
    Stoll: Good enough to read license plates.

  208. @Zachary Smith

    Meanwhile, back on planet Earth:

    Study 3 years for degree.
    Study 3 more for PhD.
    Join lab, start begging for grant money.
    Spend grant money studying a manufactured crisis or problem.
    Gather evidence supporting the preexisting hypothesis provided by grant underwriter.
    Ignore and hide evidence that refutes the hypothesis so you can arrive at the predetermined conclusions.
    Find friendly peer reviewers also beholden to grant money to rubberstamp your report.
    Findings published, reported to press.
    Call anyone who refutes your grift a phobist and get them banned from the internet.

    Guy on the internet: “Hoax.”

    • Agree: Fart Blossom, Sisifo
  209. @Abbybwood

    Speaking of Pfizer, maybe they ought to change their name to Fraudzer because their history is replete with crime and it goes way back long before covid. Why would anyone trust such an organization? In my mind they are guilty until proven innocent and details are easily found on the internet.

    Here’re two samples.

    Pfizer’s History of Crimes and Misdemeanors

    Richard Gale and Gary Null

    https://prn.fm/pfizers-history-crimes-misdemeanors/

    Pfizer: Corporate Rap Sheet

    By Philip Mattera

    https://www.corp-research.org/pfizer

    Courtesy of the UNZ archives here’s one from 1960. All of Lear’s writing on the subject of the med and pharm industries are excellent and many can be found at the site.

    But how many anxious patients would consider it altogether a blessing for their doctor’s prescriptions to be determined bv people who sell drugs rather than by doctor-teachers who have only the patient’s welfare to gain from use of any medicine they advise?

    Do We Need a Census of Worthless Drugs?
    by John Lear

    The Saturday Review, May 7, 1960, pp. 53-57

    https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1960may07-00053/Contents/

    I think it’s high time for a review of dangerous drugs as well as their developers and proponents.

    • Agree: Abbybwood
  210. Moses22 says:

    Wow! Thank you Ron.

    I am an expert in this area. I ran a sexually diseases clinic during the AIDS epidemic and treated patients as an infectious diseases specialist at a large university hospital and saw them die before my eyes. Two hours ago I would have said there was no doubt in my mind about HIV been the solitary cause of AIDS. Now, I think there are many many questions still to be answered and many long-held assumptions to be challenged.

    Incidentally, I invited Duesberg to give a talk at our University in the early 1990’s. I found him extremely original, good-humoured, and unafraid to take the heretical position outlined above. I thought what he said deserved debate, but unfortunately at our institution it was like speaking to the deaf. As much as I tried to encourage discussion after his visit, no one was interested in exploring or rebutting any of his arguments. It was as he had not spoken or never visited.

    Yet, even then I felt he was not a poseur and was speaking his truth. Such is life. I am glad for this revival and perhaps his eventual vindication.

    I have also heard Robert Gallo speak at a large conference. He struct me as another arrogant self-promoting Anthony Fauci.

  211. Moses22 says:

    One possible way to think of HIV is as necessary but not sufficient to cause AIDS. Co-factors in addition to the HIV virus are needed to lead to progression of the disease.

    And, AIDS as argued in the documentary, is probably not one disease entity but several different ones lumped together in scientific sloppiness and political expediency.

    • Agree: W
    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  212. Catdog says:

    Ron- I want you to know that I use your archive to do research and I greatly appreciate it.

  213. @Flying Dutchman

    The funny thing is it is not only ‘guy on the internet calling bullshit.’ It is usually the top scientist in that field who is near enough to retirement or just plain has the integrity to go against the scam also calling BS on it. That is the guy I am interested in hearing what he has to say. You can take all the shills and scammers who get trotted out as “experts” on all the paid advertising for big pharma that passes as news and my reaction is OK all you over there can shut up I need to hear what this guy has to say. What’s that? It could be very deadly you say? Then as the shills flock to deplatform and censor the guy I know who is telling the truth. Works without fail absolutely every time. It’s not science, it is spotting who is lying and who is telling the truth. It isn’t really all that hard either. When it comes on your tv it is pretty much understood it is total BS from the get go and all I need is confirmation at that point. They need to work on their game a bit. Covid is a great example like I am supposed to believe that China got all worried about a virus killing 30 people or some pathetically small number. People were literally dropping on the street, lol. Worked to death is what you call that. The crazy symptoms that got them all fired up was pneumonia. I think it is only meant really to take in the gulls. Once they have them then they have an army of yapping fools pushing it and it is easy. Meanwhile in Wuhan China a year before people were protesting in the streets about the air pollution. Didn’t make the news for some reason.

    • Replies: @Abbybwood
  214. @Jonathan Mason

    the Maryland team of Robert Gallo who was awarded his second Lasker Award in 1986 for “determining that the retrovirus now known as HIV-1 is the cause of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).”

    Good ol’ Lasker Award for medical science. Set up by none other than media mogul Albert Lasker who broke the modesty code and found a way to entice millions of women in USA and around the world to start smoking tobacco, and thereby caused millions of deaths. Good old Al.

    And so many Lasker Award winners are also Nobel Laureates… Mmm. Jan Biro exposed the disproportionate awarding of Nobel prizes is a function of tribal networking and favoritism. Hoping Unz or Nassim Taleb (ha) will review that quirk some day and compare it with the Lasker prize as well. That will set off some fireworks.

    Later. For now, the vaccine safety movement along with fans of the US Constitution should not lose sight of global coup and tyranny emerging under the guise of public health. That is why I am dubious about Unz’s strategy to use HIV corruption and politics as a wedge. His analogy of how to breach a castle wall does convey the situation properly. It would be more accurate to say the emperor’s army is swarming the land, setting fire to villages and putting the sword to all who stand before them. There is not time for an artistic few to shape an elegant wedge to chip away at an old part of the castle wall. As a small effort on the side, okay. But

    Get back to the real thrust of RFK Jr’s book. The scale and urgency = all hands on deck.



    Video Link

    • Agree: Kali, Sisifo
    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  215. Anon[306] • Disclaimer says:
    @saggy

    The problem with this notion that you assume that a heterosexual female may get ONLY HIV from an HIV-infected sex partner. This is highly unlikely. The HIV-infected male is likely to have a larger viral load of EVERY virus in his bloodstream, because his immune system has the fight of a wet noodle. Therefore, it’s very likely that in the course of sex, the previous healthy female is getting large viral load of everything this guy has. Enough so that her immune system is overwhelmed.

    • Agree: Sarah
  216. @Sean

    I don’t blame a guy not injecting himself with HIV because even if it doesn’t cause AIDS no telling what it could do and how sure are you that you have a purified sample? Even if he had done it his detractors would all claim that he didn’t really do it so why bother?
    There is really no reason to go to that extreme anyway. There are many who have HIV and never suffered from Aids. That is all you need to disprove causality. What I would be interested to know is does everyone with AIDS have HIV? Many things don’t work both ways. I would be willing to bet everyone with heart disease has high cholesterol but not everyone with high cholesterol has heart disease. In fact it is know high cholesterol is not a cause of heart disease but an indicator that someone has heart disease or is at risk for it.

  217. harfang67 says:

    We’re dealing with a vastly EVIL power here. Let it be known. And it seems to be centered around financial power control, but they need the media to control the perceptions and avoid population uprises. Their weak spot is in control of population strength. It takes time to achieve the uprise of the population but once it starts they wont be able to contrôle it.

    Your absolutely needed work feeds the conscience of your nation and I consider that heroic, worthy of the Prophets of the Old Testament and also of Paul.

  218. eric says:

    * Fauci not only helped to silence Duesberg, but he also would never debate him, a craven and dishonest tactic he applies to covid dissent.
    * There are currently about 1.2MM Americans with HIV, about as many as in 1990 (always between 1 and 2 MM). All-cause mortality rates for people with HIV are normal, even though about half haven’t bothered to take their medication for 10 years. HIV is has become a benign virus.
    * HIV positive just means you have the antibody for HIV, and this antibody shows up for other viruses. How many? Who knows.
    * The initial mortality concentrated on Kaposi sarcoma, wasting, and pneumocystis carinii. Now those are fringe causes for HIV mortality.
    * Unlike other viruses, it stayed in its initial demographic–for 50 years.
    * Chimps with HIV do not get sick
    * A handful of 400k medical workers exposed to AIDS patients have died of AIDS.
    * HIV grown in T-cells cultures is how we have antibody tests. The T-cells keep growing. For some reason, it supposedly only kills T-cells in organisms.

    The US still spends \$30B a year on HIV, though it kills only 5k Americans a year, and that’s a generous mortality estimate given if you die with HIV it is generally considered the cause.

  219. Thomasina says:
    @silviosilver

    “Obviously people would require proof that he was infected, but there would be no difficulty procuring that.”

    LOL

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  220. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:
    @saggy

    You put this quote of the article “Heterosexual transmission of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in northern California: results from a ten-year study,” American Journal of Epidemiology (1997):

    Overall, 68 (19%) of the 360 female partners of HIV-infected men (95% confidence interval (CI) 15.0-23.3%) and two (2.4%) of the 82 male partners of HIV-infected women (95% CI 0.3-8.5%) were infected.

    That quote is irrelevant to the question of the validity of the Duesberg hypothesis. The quote addresses only the frequency distribution of transmission of HIV among heterosexual males and females: male-to-female transmission and female to male transmission. The quote does not address whether HIV is causatively related to AIDS.

    You put also a quote of the article “Pathophysiology of CD4+ T-Cell Depletion in HIV-1 and HIV-2 InfectionsFront Immunol Journal (2017):

    The hall mark of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection is a gradual loss of CD4+ T-cells and imbalance in CD4+ T-cell homeostasis, with progressive impairment of immunity that leads ultimately to death. HIV infection in humans is caused by two related yet distinct viruses: HIV-1 and HIV-2. HIV-2 is typically less virulent than HIV-1 and permits the host to mount a more effective and sustained T-cell immunity. Although both infections manifest the same clinical spectrum, the much lower rate of CD4+ T-cell decline and slower progression of disease in HIV-2 infected individuals have grabbed the attention of several researchers. Here, we review the most recent findings on the differential rate of decline of CD4+ T-cell in HIV-1 and HIV-2 infections and provide plausible reasons for the observed differences between the two groups.

    Neither the immediately preceding quote nor the source article impeaches the Duesberg hypothesis.

    The article’s authors did zero clinical observation. Their own data — if any — seem to be derived solely from in vitro sample experiments, monkey studies, and reliance on other sources. The authors assume — do not prove — that, in human subjects, HIV infection will produce gradual loss of CD4+ T-cells and imbalance of CD4+ T-cell homeostasis.

    I lack time enough to review all the sources the article’s authors cite. I reviewed three sources — rather randomly selected.

    One source [“Reduced rate of disease development after HIV-2 infection as compared to HIV-1,” Science (1994), https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7915856/ ] stated “HIV-2 is biologically similar to HIV-1, but “information is lacking concerning clinical outcomes of HIV-2-infected individuals” and “HIV-1-infected women had a 67% probability of AIDS-free survival 5 years after seroconversion [advent of antibody presence] in contrast with 100% for HIV-2-infected women.” The source does not show whether the non-survivors died because of HIV infection. The source’s data and findings do not impeach the Duesberg hypothesis. The source proves NOTHING respecting whether HIV is the cause of AIDS.

    Another source involved macaque monkey experimentation that involved infecting macaques with SIV [simian immunodeficiency virus]. “Resting naïve CD4+ T cells are massively infected and eliminated by X4-tropic simian–human immunodeficiency viruses in macaques,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America (2005), https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1142395/ . The authors observed:

    Here we show both by DNA PCR analyses and infectivity assays, using live sorted CD4+ T lymphocyte subsets, that 30–90% of circulating naïve cells were productively infected by day 10 after inoculation. This result implies that direct cell killing, not bystander apoptosis, is responsible for the massive loss of CD4+ T cells in the X4-tropic SHIV model. Furthermore, we directly demonstrate that >96% of virus producing cells did not express the Ki-67 proliferation marker on day 10 after inoculation using confocal microscopic analysis of lymph nodes samples. This finding is consistent with the prodigious levels of plasma viremia measured during acute X4-tropic SHIV infections of macaques being generated almost entirely by resting naïve CD4+ T cells.

    If you understand the pertinent science, you will concede that the authors assertions indicate NOTHING respecting whether HIV explains AIDS or whether the Duesberg hypothesis is invalid. [I cannot spare time to educate you if you do not understand the pertinent science.]

    A third source was the article “Time Scales of CD4+ T Cell Depletion in HIV Infection,” by Rob J De Boer, PLoS Medicine (2007), https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1872039/ , which your source [“Heterosexual transmission of human immunodeficiency,” etc.] cites as being an article authored NOT by De Boer, but by “Ho and colleagues” [see 1st ¶ under heading “Direct Attack by HIV”] — despite your source’s related endnote cites the author as De Boer. This third source states, inter alia, this:

    Sooty Mangabeys and African Green monkeys that become naturally infected with their own strain of SIV also have high viral loads, but have hardly any disease progression to AIDS, presumably because they maintain almost normal activation levels of their CD4+ and CD8+ T cells.

    ***

    An intriguing possibility is that the virus has evolved strategies to increase the availability of suitable target cells by activating CD4+ T cells. Increasing target cell availability would be like “fueling the fire,” resulting in more infection and runaway depletion of CD4+ T cells.

    In a new study published in PLoS Medicine, Andrew Yates and his colleagues investigate whether such a runaway process would be compatible with the slow time scale of memory CD4+ T cell depletion in humans. Immune activation is not automatically an explanation for T cell depletion. Increasing cell division rates of memory T cells by immune activation could also increase their capacity of self-renewal, and lead to increased cell counts. To explain “depletion by activation,” Yates et al. propose that immune activated CD4+ T cells have a very short life span, which means that the immune-activated cells are lost by activation-induced cell death.

    The Sooty Mangabey monkey and African Green monkey studies do not suggest the Duesberg hypothesis is invalid, but, rather, tend to suggest that since SIV appears NOT significantly (if at all) related, causatively, to AIDS, HIV may not be significantly (if at all) related, causatively, to human AIDS.

    The Rob J De Boer article’s above-quoted language suggests NOT that HIV causes AIDS, but, rather, that no one knows either any biological mechanism that may show HIV infection explains AIDS — or even any biological mechanism that explains the memory CD4+ T cell depletion events the De Boer article addresses.

    Therefore, your second source [“Pathophysiology of CD4+ T-Cell Depletion in HIV-1,” etc.] does not support your attempted impeachment of the Duesberg hypothesis.

    I do not imply that I credit the Duesberg hypothesis — of which I am not intimately familiar. I mean only that your snide comments beg being dismissed as junk.

    • Replies: @saggy
  221. Hg says:
    @Getaclue

    how do you think he got to be the first commenter. paid troll\$

  222. utu says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    RFK Jr. follows the best strategy to avoid the Kennedy curse: make yourself look crazy and unhinged while following marginal and irrelevant issue.

  223. @Jonathan Mason

    “Throughout human history when they have been deadly epidemics, there have been social upheavals, and all sorts of conspiracy theories about the epidemic as people panicked and sought for mental defense mechanisms that would help them handle the stress.”

    The difference here is that the upheaval and stress are not being caused by massive indiscriminate death tolls, the vast majority of deaths attributed to Covid-19 have been in the elderly and even a large majority of the elderly who were infected per the questionable PCR tests survived. What is causing the chaos is a relentless campaign of hysterical fearmongering and misinformation by the corporate media blatantly intended to manufacture consent for the imposition of a global totalitarian New Normal under the classic tyrannical pretext of “public safety”.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  224. Ron Unz says: • Website
    @Antiwar7

    I was familiar with the Duesberg AIDS hypothesis, because I read a long, in-depth article about it in the late 1980’s in the Chicago Reader, an alternative newspaper. And it sounded convincing to me.

    Here’s the link to that excellent article, which someone provided upthread:

    https://chicagoreader.com/news-politics/everything-you-know-about-aids-is-wrong/

    The 8,000 word interview with Duesberg ran almost exactly thirty years ago, and very little seems to have changed since then.

    • Thanks: Antiwar7
  225. saggy says: • Website
    @Anon

    That quote is irrelevant to the question of the validity of the Duesberg hypothesis.

    The quote in question does not relate to the Duesberg Hypothesis in my post.

    As for the second quote

    The hall mark of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection is a gradual loss of CD4+ T-cells and imbalance in CD4+ T-cell homeostasis, with progressive impairment of immunity that leads ultimately to death.

    If you don’t believe that statement is correct, you should write a letter to the editor of the Journal, I’m sure it will provide him/her with a good laugh.

  226. GreenMike says:
    @Nodwink

    I agree. A very interesting and compelling theory. Reading The River by Edward hooper was a lot of fun and I still go to his personal website sometimes. One weakness that I have never read addressed is whether it is at all possible to get aids from a vaccine that is taken orally. Sure if it was injected, but by a pill that is fed to people?

    • Replies: @PeterAG
  227. Documentary Films
    House of Numbers, dir Leung

    HIV Testing 101 (extended version), dir. Leung

    Deconstructing the Myths of AIDS, dir. Null

    The Other Side of AIDS, dir. Scoville


    Video Link
    This Child of Mine, dir. Finocchio https://vimeo.com/100406243
    Positively False: Birth of a Heresy, dir. Shenton

    HIV=AIDS, Fact or Fiction? dir. Allen

    Guinea Pig Kids: ARV Babies in New York City


    Lectures

    Rasnick: “The Greatest Medical Blunder of All Time” (2004)

    Ellison: “Why We Will Never win the War on AIDS” (1995)


    Video Link

    Books

    Culshaw: “Science Sold Out: Does HIV Really cause AIDS?” ISBN 978-1-55643-642-0
    Maggiore” “What if Everything You thought you knew about AIDS was Wrong?” ISBN 0-96741532-2
    Bauer: “The Origins, Persistence, and Failings of HIV/AIDS Theory” ISBN 978-0-7864-3048-2
    Hodgkinson: “AIDS: The Failure of Contemporary Science” ISBN 1-85702-337-4
    Koehnlein: “Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually invents Epidemics, making Billion Dollar Profits at our Expense” ISBN 978-3-7526-2978-1
    Scheff: “Official Stories” (Chapter 6) ISBN 978-1477561348
    Duesberg: “Inventing the AIDS Virus” ISBN 0-89526-470-6
    Lauritsen: “The AIDS War: Propaganda, Profiteering, and Genocide from the Medical-Industrial Complex” ISBN 0-943742-08-0
    Root Bernstein: “Rethinking AIDS: The Tragic Cost of a Premature Consensus” ISBN 0-02-926905-9
    Farber: “Serious Adverse Events: an Uncensored History of AIDS” ISBN 0-933633-01-8
    Cochrane: “When AIDS Began” ISBN 0-415-92430-8
    Crewdson: “Science Fictions: A Medical Mystery, a Massive Cover-up, and the Dark Legacy of Robert Gallo” ISBN 0-316-13476-7
    Shenton: “Positively False: Exposing the Myths around HIV” ISBN 978-01503030886
    Banks: “AIDS, Opium, Diamonds, and Empire” ISBN 978-1-4502-0171-1
    Roberts: “Fear of the Invisible” ISBN 978-0-9559177-2-1

    Articles:
    Goodson “Questioning the HIV-AIDS Hypothesis: 30 years of Dissent” (Frontiers in Public Health 9/23/14)
    Bauer “Why does HIV Discriminate by Race” (Journal of Scientific Exploration vol 20 No 2 pp 255-288, 2006)

    • Thanks: W
    • Replies: @Olorin
  228. @Thomasina

    Care to explain what you find so funny?

  229. Grant says:

    wow, some very aggressive and ‘knowledgeable’ responders here….almost made me not comment at all! They should start a website and blog of their own to share their expertise:) Keep up the good work Ron, you know you are on to something by the response. Re. dealing with MSM and asleep people etc – ‘I don’t know what the exact story is, but the official narrative has so many holes in it (cite one example) that you would have to be willfully naive to believe it’.

  230. Nancy says:
    @AReply

    Gosh, some one/thing is really alarmed at the spotlight swinging back to the HIV fraud…. down right spooked.

  231. Matt B says:
    @Chanda Chisala

    thanks for posting this,
    it’s a fascinating conversation,

  232. @Ron Unz

    In 1988, Sir James Black was awarded the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the role of histamine in the pathogenesis of stomach ulcers. That discovery led to the use of Tagamet, then considered revolutionary in treating stomach ulcers.

    In 2005 the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to Marshal and Warren for discovering the spirochete Helicobacter pylori as the cause of stomach ulcers. The histamine theory was consequently discarded.

    My point being Nobel laureates are not infallible and 4 of them doubting HIV as the cause of AIDS must take that into account, especially given the politics and controversies surrounding AIDS in the early years. Unless of course they come up with a credible and scientifically verifiable alternative cause of AIDS. That, they simply have not done. To date no one has.

    • Thanks: Fart Blossom
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Fart Blossom
  233. @Pierre de Craon

    Unlike Fauci, Peter Duesberg has never killed anyone, let alone tens of thousands, nor has he ever profited beyond the remunerative norm from his scientific work.

    That is a matter of opinion.

    Since Duesberg was active as an advisor to former President Mbeki of South Africa and contributed to persuading him not to buy antivirals for South Africa’s population, you could say that he got blood on his hands related to hundreds of thousands of deaths in South Africa, and that he was presumably paid for it.

    OK, he may have been acting in good faith and thought that he was doing something wonderful for the South African people, but it did not work out that way.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/26/aids-south-africa

    In July 2000, the pharmaceutical company Boehringer Ingelheim offered to donate its drug nevirapine, which could prevent the transmission of HIV from mother to child during labour.

    But South Africa restricted the availability of nevirapine to two pilot sites per province until December 2002. Under international pressure, South Africa did eventually launch a national programme for the prevention of mother-to-child transmission in August 2003 and a national adult treatment programme in 2004.

    But by 2005, the paper’s authors estimate, there was still only 23% drug coverage and less than 30% prevention of mother-to-child transmission.

    By comparison, Botswana achieved 85% treatment coverage and Namibia 71% by 2005, and both had 70% coverage with mother-to-child transmission programmes.

    The authors estimate that more than 330,000 people died unnecessarily in South Africa over the period and that 35,000 HIV-infected babies were born who could have been protected from the virus and would probably have a limited life.

    If Duesberg had been given his way in the US, would more people have died of AIDS or less?

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Pierre de Craon
  234. Mr. Anon says:
    @Justrambling

    In 1988, Sir James Black was awarded the Nobel Prize for his discovery of the role of histamine in the pathogenesis of stomach ulcers. That discovery led to the use of Tagamet, then considered revolutionary in treating stomach ulcers.

    In 2005 the Nobel Prize for Medicine went to Marshal and Warren for discovering the spirochete Helicobacter pylori as the cause of stomach ulcers. The histamine theory was consequently discarded.

    Is that an argument for the reliability of the establishment medical opinion?

    My point being Nobel laureates are not infallible and 4 of them doubting HIV as the cause of AIDS must take that into account, especially given the politics and controversies surrounding AIDS in the early years.

    Government administrators, like Anthony Fauci, are not infallible either.

    • Replies: @Justrambling
  235. Mike Tre says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Offhand, it seems to me that if FOUR science Nobel Laureates, including the actual discoverer of the HIV virus, publicly declare that they doubt HIV causes AIDS, perhaps it’s worth considering the possibility that they might be correct”

    So what happens when a Nobel Prize winning and inventor of the much acclaimed PCR test Kery Mullis states that it was never meant to be used as a tool to identify viral infections. We go ahead and believe all these people really had and and died of covid anyway, apparently.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom, ariadna
  236. Is it true one or all C19 vaccines have HIV mixed in with mRNA and other nanotechnology that alters human dna?

  237. Sisifo says:
    @CelestiaQuesta

    It’s also available for free on libgen, my point is that without the book being available the sales numbers are much lower than they could have been, pretty much all my friends wanted to give the biok as a gift to all their friends and family, you can’t gift an ebook and ebook users are a tiny fraction of the total anyway.

  238. Abbybwood says:
    @Jack Sparrow

    Please watch this FLCCC Webinar with Dr. Pierre Kory regarding the time he spent sharing peer reviewed research from all over the world with Dr. Hill and Dr. Tess Laurie regarding the efficacy and safety using Ivermectin for early treatment of Covid 19, only to watch Dr. Hill do a 180 after millions in grant money poured into his institution:

    https://odysee.com/@FrontlineCovid19CriticalCareAlliance:c/FLCCC-WEBINAR-121521_FINAL:9

    Dr Laurie saved the full zoom call she had with Dr. Hill which is also in Bobby Kennedy’s book on Fauci. Very damning and revealing Zoom call transcript.

    • Replies: @cohen
    , @Fart Blossom
  239. Mr. Anon says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Interesting thing about AZT. Because it caused anemia in patients taking it, they required frequent blood transfusions. There was even concern that it would put pressure on blood supplies, at least according to this old WaPo article:

    WIDENING AZT USE MAY DRAIN BLOOD SUPPLY

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/wellness/1987/04/21/widening-azt-use-may-drain-blood-supply/9f609ee0-9590-4fa6-93f4-d82bf0a56a4e/

    And what do blood transfusions do? Well, they can have a deleterious effect on the immune system:

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/blood_transfusions_still_overused_and_may_do_more_harm_than_good_in_some_patients

    “….transfused blood also has a suppressive effect on the immune system, which increases the risk of infections, including pneumonia and sepsis, he says.”

  240. Sisifo says:
    @H. Ph. Vogel

    It’s like a famous cardiologist wrote about cholesterol and CVD, we see that when there is a lesion of an arthery there also are cholesterol particles, but was the cholesterol the cause of the lesion? It’s like seeing an ambulance every time we see a car accident and conclude that ambulances cause car accidents.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  241. @Wokechoke

    As I recall reading in a number of places over the years, the original name was GIRD — gay immune response disease … but Fauci, et al., just weren’t going to get the public to part with the \$2+ trillion dollars for a disease spread by homosexuals being grossly irresponsible in their behavior … hence the name change.

  242. ivan says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You are conflating 330,000 who apparently died unnecessarily and 35,000 kids who got HIV through their mothers. Which is it? It is typical of the AIDS lobby to not understand the magnitude of figures. People with an axe to grind claimed that millions would die of AIDS in India and China. I know India well enough and nothing like that happened. In fact if anything the population is much more promiscuous now.

  243. Alfred says:
    @Dystopian

    All you have to do is stop sticking your penis in other men’s anuses.

    Actually, the ones who get the sperm in their back passage are the ones most easily infected. The same applies to women. A glance at Pornhub will confirm that much of the promoted heterosexual sex is anal. Girls are being persuaded into thinking that guys expect this. So sad. 🙁

    PornHub.com

    • Agree: Sarah
    • Replies: @ivan
  244. @Jack Sparrow

    Also with regard to Magic Johnson, you might perhaps be old enough to recall that about six months after Johnson rose to celebrity status on the AIDS circuit, he became a nonperson virtually overnight. It wasn’t that he went from being praised to being criticized; rather, it suddenly seemed that he had dropped off the face of the earth or simply never existed.

    The reason for the turnaround: someone within Johnson’s circle knew about Duesberg and anti-HIV theorists and persuaded him to speak to the black journalist and talk show host Tony Brown, who had become a major Duesberg ally, along with Kary Mullis, John Lauritsen, Celia Farber, and others. They explained to Johnson that he would be dead only if he took Fauci’s “AIDS cocktail.”

    Not only did Johnson kick the cocktail, he cut way back on booze and drugs and hyperactive womanizing. Almost like magic [sorry], his health improved—but improving health and saving lives were not parts of what Fauci had in mind when he talked endlessly about defeating AIDS. For Fauci, an above-ground Magic Johnson served no useful purpose at all.

    I … think we should be putting a lot of people on trial for murder.

    I would agree if we had a justice system wherein the word “justice” wasn’t a bad joke. Since the system no longer conceals that it is of, by, and for the Jews, the most viable option, whether one views the matter practically or morally, might be extrajudicial execution by those with the weapons, wit, will, and ability.

    I actually saw a video by a pulmonary nurse who testified before a panel in South Carolina that they are killing people in the hospitals and who stated if he gets covid he will not go to the hospital.

    He is plainly a sensible man. My cardiologist told me something similar last March: for the time being, unless you are sure you have covid, never enter a hospital except as my patient or the patient of another doctor you trust. Fauci, he said, had formally offered hospitals from coast to coast financial incentives for increasing covid case numbers and moreover had instructed physician-review panels that no penalty or reprimand was to attach to a physician later charged with misdiagnosis—so long, as the misdiagnosis was that covid was present.

    • Thanks: Robjil, W
    • Replies: @Jack Sparrow
  245. Alfred says:
    @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    Yes, they told me that in my final year at Hogwarts.

    Like you, I scoffed at the concept for many years. I am a civil engineer. The son of a mining engineer. My brothers, my two uncles, aunt and grandfather were engineers. You cannot be more down-to-earth than that.

    For many years, I lived in Paris near Metro Mozart. I passed a homeopathic pharmacy every day. I thought that the people who went there were deluded. It is in an expensive part of Paris – 16eme.

    I was married to a doctor who was qualified to work in Russia, the UK and Australia. She had lots of diplomas in different specialities. My son is a doctor in Norway. By watching them, I learnt that medicine is not what it is cracked up to be. Most family doctors could be replaced by a computer program. They have almost no latitude in their work. The “healthcare” industry removes any non-conformists.

    The reality is that water has memory. Furthermore, our very mood can change water at a distance – even if the water is protected from electromagnetic fields by a Faraday Cage. That proves that there are forces that we know almost nothing about. Some of these experiments can be carried out in almost any ordinary laboratory. The fact that few dare tread in this area is because of people like you.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Thanks: Sarah
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @ivan
  246. @Moses22

    One possible way to think of HIV is as necessary but not sufficient to cause AIDS. Co-factors in addition to the HIV virus are needed to lead to progression of the disease.

    How would that be more than a definition of “AIDS”: As in, by definition this set of conditions and symptoms is called “AIDS” if it includes the trait of testing positive for HIV.

    In which case those suffering from the same type of symptomatic condition but who test negative would by definition not be “AIDS” cases.

    Well, I suppose it’s somewhat more rigorous than the definition of a symptomatic “Covid” case, which doesn’t even have to include a known-to-be-fraudulent positive test, while a fake positive test with no symptoms also is labeled a “case”.

    Meanwhile we’ll soon be seeing the surge of VAIDS among the jabbed, with theory predicting that the more times one was injected, the more one’s immune system will have been hobbled (the evidence so far is that the demolition is cumulative), and the more likely one will be to develop VAIDS.

  247. @thotmonger

    Good ol’ Lasker Award for medical science. Set up by none other than media mogul Albert Lasker who broke the modesty code and found a way to entice millions of women in USA and around the world to start smoking tobacco, and thereby caused millions of deaths. Good old Al.

    He wanted to honor the type of doctors and scientists who were happy to tell the public that smoking isn’t harmful and actually is good for your health.

    The exact same kind of doctor and scientist who nowadays says AZT, remdesivir and the experimental cell-hijacking injections are safe and healthful.

  248. @silviosilver

    No, silvio, the odds are pretty darn negligible—especially for those who, like me, consider fifty to a hundred different bareback homosexual encounters a notch or two too far on the say-it-isn’t-so side of the dial.

    Still, to go to the critical core of the issue, even if the sexual transmission of HIV were as sure a bet as the sexual transmission of the clap, it would still not make a harmless passenger virus either a disease or a disease’s causative agent.
    ___________
    P.S. Notwithstanding our frequent disagreements at TOO, I have missed seeing your comments there. Best wishes for the New Year.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  249. Duesberg was obviously right and Fauci obviously a mass murderer out for his own profit. You don’t hide the truth you investigate it.

    Covid is most likely a double fake. There was somekind of virus or viral computer model, 5G caused people to get sick as did the vaccines, and then the Chinese forgot it was fake and actually locked down fearing a real virus.

    Covid has never been isolated, transmitted or proven to cause illness.
    The covid TEST has never been shown to actually test for covid
    The Covid vaccine has never been shown to actually be effective for covid

  250. Mr. Anon says:
    @Ron Unz

    It is interesting to note that Robert Gallo, who ostensibly discovered the link between HIV and AIDS, and is highly identified with the establishment narrative about the disease, was never awarded a Nobel Prize for the discovery. In fact, despite all the hoop-la surrounding HIV/AIDS, the only Nobel prize awarded for any HIV related work was in 2008, to Luc Montagnier and Françoise Barré-Sinoussi for the discovery of the HIV virus.

  251. Seems to me you have all lost focus. Ostensibly, the main point of this essay was 1. the HIV public health response has been corrupt hokum and therefore 2. this should be used as a wrench to effectively slow down the Covid 19 juggernaut. Instead I see a new merry go round of exasperation and energy dissipation on something that is 0.01% as important as the outcome of current policies ripping towards us all.

    And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house.
    – Mark 13:15

    One question before us is how on earth was it possible to get so much cooperation from the mainstream media to push the global herd from pandemic–>vaccine(s)–>green pass? To explain

    I quote here from RFK Jr. in The Real Anthony Fauci:

    A clear strategic objective for Gates and Fauci was the repetition of the message that a global pandemic was inevitable, that only mandatory vaccines could avert catastrophe, and that obliteration of civil rights would be required. Most astonishing was their capacity to mobilize the obliging global media…(p.420)
    In this light, the simulations can be interpreted as marketing and public relations exercises to recruit and train political, military, media and public health officials to advance their enterprise using censorship, propaganda, and state-sponsored violence if necessary. (p.421)
    Beginning in 2000, the security, military, police, and intelligence agencies have been secretly staging other mass simulations, under the codename TOPOFF [Top Officials] of which the public is almost entirely unaware…
    “These are brainwashing exercises,” says former CIA officer and whistleblower Kevin Shipp. “Getting all of these thousands of public health and law enforcement officials to participate in blowing up the US Bill of Rights in these exercises, you basically have obtained their prior sign off to torpedoing the Constitution to overthrow its democracy. They know that none of these participants are going to suddenly start soul searching when the real thing happens.” (p.424-25)

    And here is another warning to all humanity from former VP of Pfizer Michael Yeadon:



    Video Link

    • Agree: Kali
    • Thanks: Emslander, Fart Blossom
    • Replies: @Jack Sparrow
  252. @Jonathan Mason

    You feign intellectual impartiality without conviction. The materials you present treat literally every important point in question as if it had already been decided in favor of the Narrative Assertions. But who cares about a little petitio principii when you are presented with an opportunity to fire a couple of shots at Peter Duesberg?

    Still, I am sure that sneering at this deeply principled man seems a lot easier than reading his book. But wait! Despite Ron Unz’s several references to its massive length of 712 pages, the plain fact is that the narrative portion of the book—the part aimed at a readership of maximal size—is confined entirely to its first half, the remainder being scientific papers supporting specific aspects of his rejection of the thesis that HIV is the probable cause of AIDS and that there is something essentially different about the character of such well-identified and well-documented diseases as cancer, tuberculosis, and dementia when HIV is present in the afflicted person.

    You wouldn’t know these things, however, because you haven’t opened the book, have you? Indeed, my guess is that you deem opening the book infra dig, n’est-ce pas? What I find especially curious about your impassioned stand for conformity is that, although you truly don’t know the particulars of what is being discussed and argued—at least the relevant Duesberg particulars—the sense of your own lack of awareness fails to prompt (or embarrass) you either to keep your mouth shut or to learn something about the other guy’s thesis before joining the fray. It is as if you stand for Lady Conformity solely because you are her preux chevalier—for her colors you will contend, whatever the odds, whatever the weapons, whatever the field.

    And to conclude, the snide virtual charge that Duesberg, having been denied access even to his Berkeley lab owing to Fauci’s influence, was somehow being mercenary in accepting Mbeki’s invitation to work in the field where he had been acknowledged one of the world’s superstars till Fauci dubbed hm an apostate to be shunned by all true believers (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) is certainly unsustainable in the face of the evidence presented—indeed, I have never seen any evidence remotely sufficient to sustain the charge. There is, if anything, even less substance to the unworthy suggestion that Duesberg is in any way implicated in the death of even one individual, whether in Africa or elsewhere.

    • Thanks: W
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  253. @El Dato

    Try reading the article and assessing the main points, instead of, you know, nitpicking and playing dumb while arguing irrelevancies.

  254. Mr. Anon says:
    @Matt B

    Thanks. That was very interesting.

  255. @PeterAG

    Almost certainly there are observers attempting to guide conspiracy theories.

    However, follow your own chain of logic. If there are observers attempting to manipulate first-tier doubters, there may be observers attempting to manipulate second-tier doubters as well, and so on to infinity.

    More realistically, thresholds of significance will be sought and established, if n-tier doubters don’t make up much of the population or have much effect, no one is going to care to expend resources to manipulate them.

    Moreover, it’s not a “flooded arena” for most people. You can’t make them forget their own pet theory or two by flooding them with 500 paper-thin facades that you pulled out of your butt. Depending on who you’re trying to manipulate, you also run the risk of making up conspiracy theories which heavily resemble reality you didn’t know about, and your employers are not going to stop at simply docking your paycheck over that.

    In addition, we already know one of the main ways “conspiracy theories” are discredited and misdirected, and it is by drawing focus to, and then assassinating the character of the most popular and loose-minded adherents of the targeted CT, and then smearing all adherents of the targeted CT as if they were the same.

    Finally, it’s most likely that there are only two tiers of manipulation for most subjects: general public, and general opposition. The manipulators get to make use of us-vs-them instinct, and can relatively easily seed about half of the truth they are aware of into each opposed side, which makes it extremely difficult for the recipients to sort them out.

  256. @silviosilver

    First, you clearly did not read this article completely.

    Second, HIV being harmful or not is irrelevant to the topic. It can kill you in five minutes every time, but if it doesn’t cause AIDS it doesn’t cause AIDS. THAT is the topic, whether or not it causes AIDS, and if not, what does?

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  257. anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    exactly.
    remember Haruko Obokata, she had a PhD. She made pluripotent stem cells from basically nothing.
    Was hailed by the media as a genius.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/505596a
    Japanese media displayed her as a superstar;
    https://nuttycellist-unknown.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-delightful-news.html

    Turns out she completely falsified her data.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/feb/18/haruko-obokata-stap-cells-controversy-scientists-lie

    A PhD can lie as well as some one without one.
    Did the Japanese media apologize?

  258. Rosette says:

    Here’s an important one, the guy who wrote “Is the AIDS Virus a Science Fiction?” with Peter Duesberg, Bryan J. Ellison, well, they had some fight and I’m a bit taken to see his name associated with Peter Duesberg’s, they ended up publishing each their own book and Ellison’s is called “Why We Will Never Win The War On AIDS”.

    Fortunately he explains everything in a lecture here on YT, it’s called:
    “Bryan Ellison Lecture 1995 Unabridged” on the channel ‘maineporcupines’
    and honestly, it is the most important and revealing piece of video I ever saw, the guy is fully awake, totally knowledgeable and extremely interesting, enjoy.

    • Thanks: PDXLibertarian
  259. cohen says:
    @Abbybwood

    Thanks for sharing such information.
    I remember seeing that taped conversation where this English Dr. Andrew Hill was avoiding the real and pointed questions by the lady in question. He had his tail under his hind legs and yelling, God save the Queen and prince Andrew (Epstein fame).

    I hope more people share information like this. Instead of majority just writing their opinions and getting pissed when someone challenges their views. Of course these lonely people have a right to express themselves. That is understandable.
    Thanks again.

  260. Steve7 says:

    @Ron Unz

    But what completely shocked me was that nearly half the text—some 200 pages—was devoted to presenting and promoting the astonishing claim that everything we have been told about HIV/AIDS for more than 35 years probably constituted a hoax.

    Ron, RFK alleges that HIV alone doesn’t cause AIDS. He covers the Duesberg thesis but only partly endorses it. Probably wrongly, I was asking myself if that’s as far as he thinks he can go, but he didn’t go all the way there.

    • Replies: @Emslander
  261. @Mr. Anon

    Where in my post did I say anything about Fauci? Read posts before responding with irrelevant comments.

    Please provide some non establishment links to scientific journals, not hearsay, and I will be happy to read and evaluate them with an open mind, instead of babbling about with unfounded conspiracy theories. If you took the trouble to read the rest of my post, I had even gone as far as suggesting that if HIV is indeed the demonstrable cause of AIDS, the virus could be man made because the technology to turn seemingly harmless viruses into pathogenic ones by genetic engineering is widely available in any molecular biology lab.

    There have been numerous articles here at UR speculating on the possible lab origins of Covid, some of them well researched, but none are definitive or conclusive. They are all non establishment pieces but hardly qualify as scientific; in my opinion, the jury is still out on that question and I keep an open mind pending availability of compelling data. I am allowing for the distinct possibility of germ warfare as a motive, given the American government experiments on syphilis in African American inmates in 1932 and over 1,000 Guatemalans later in the early fifties. No informed consent was obtained in the experimental subjects of either study.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  262. SBaker says:
    @Wokechoke

    HIV, a very real retrovirus has been used as the holocaust to enhance the power and status of male homosexuals. The many manifestations of HIV, are due to the immuno-suppressive effects of the retrovirus that infects the T-cell population of the host. We see a similar array of syndromes in dogs and cats infected with retroviruses.

    Back in the 1980s Bay Area of San Fran, public health workers collected data from interviews with 100s of male homosexuals in an attempt to inform and contain the spread of not just HIV, but a dozen other infectious diseases. Lying was a big part of the male homosexual lifestyle making it very difficult to track the spread. For the lowest tier of PH workers, their assignment was collecting samples from gay bathhouses where the smell of feces and blood were avoided by maggots. Coprophagic behavior in the gay population was another disgusting practice that also led to other health problems. So, anyone who thinks this is some normal, innocent lifestyle is clueless or may be a member in good standing. These creatures are the contemporary typhoid Larrys.

    The multi-billion dollar issue is the adverse effects of male homosexual derangement syndrome on public health and the children that are abused by male homosexuals hiding in the closet. Male homosexuals have the highest incidence of HIV/AIDS, syphilis, drug-resistant gonorrhea, entamoeba histolytica, chlamydia, herpes simplex II, Chancroid, Drug Resistant TB, Hepatitis A, Hepatitis B, and Hepatitis non A & B. It is not the pretty innocent picture presented by Hollywood and the media for consumption by the ignorant.

    “In 2007, MSM [Men Sex with Men] were 44 to 86 times as likely to be diagnosed with HIV compared with normal men, and 40 to 77 times as likely as women.” (Center for Disease Control, http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/index.htm)

    Don’t watch the marketing of deviance on TV; simply consider the science.

    • Thanks: Emslander
  263. SBaker says:
    @advarp_nacirema

    PCR testing is a simple, rapid screening test for the presence of nucleic acid strands, from a large variety of infectious agents, both viral and bacterial. PCR does identify viable infectious agents. The definitive diagnosis requires virus isolation which takes considerable time and expense.

    • Replies: @W
    , @SBaker
  264. Ned Kelly says:

    I read this entire book years ago. Intriguing but I don’t have the enough science to judge. But it does highlight some glaring anomalies. Seemingly
    One disease for Africa and quite another for the rest of the world. AZT was probably worse than the disease…
    My beef was the medical establishments and the “Gay community” (Gay inc) lockstep propaganda.
    To insure that the Gays were not demonized, blamed or even questioned. Their “life style” wasn’t obstructed with with any public health rules, restrictions or penalties. Gays were blameless victims and condoms (Safe Sex) were the public health cure-all…
    But you have to acknowledge that they did a marvelous job educating the public to the fact that HIV/AIDS could not be spread by casual conduct… Not even conspiracy nuts believe that!

  265. @Justrambling

    Thanks for your excellent comment.

    My point being Nobel laureates are not infallible and 4 of them doubting HIV as the cause of AIDS must take that into account, especially given the politics and controversies surrounding AIDS in the early years.

    Another thing to be taken into account is the money involved.

    As for reopening the debate on AIDS, which I think is fabulous, I think it’s about time to re-open the debate on the safety, efficacy and necessity of vaccines in general. In other words, most seem to think that the issue is settled, when in fact, there is no way it should be.

    From there it leads to other questions as well, especially about the medical, pharmacological, and insurance rackets, er, I mean, “biznisses,” none of which are as infallible, or nearly as beneficial, as we like to imagine.

  266. @Abbybwood

    … only to watch Dr. Hill do a 180 after millions in grant money poured into his institution:

    Nah, that sort of thing never happens…duzzit? (Wink, wink).

    Let’s never question “authority!” 😉

  267. MLK says:

    With all due respect to this author and his intelligent noodling over orthodoxy and what passes for media these days, he’s overthinking it.

    The method to my madness is to start with the common sense baseline before it’s mangled by politicization, greed, and so much more.

    This was it, ab initio, for HIV/AIDS:

    The chemical bases of the various AIDS epidemics: recreational drugs, anti-viral chemotherapy and malnutrition (PDF)

    There was a great deal of reporting at the time on the lifestyle of a particular cohort of gays, both out and closeted. No one needed reporting on the health effects of prostitution and frequent illegal drug use — both generally and as some sort of jackpot from sharing a needle or anonymous sex.

    In the early days of HIV/AIDS, intuition reigned.

    Now, get ready for it . . . we can adduce that it still exists within the common sense, self-protective mind. A good analogue is smoking. Throughout the decades it was first promoted and then the subject of litigation, if you weren’t involved and making money one way or another, did you expend time and mental energy on sussing out its health risks?

    My essential point is, with a sliding IQ hurdle to overcome depending on the subject matter, it is not within the power of Fake News to change minds up in the ether. That’s distinguished from what thoughts they will admit to depending on how craven they are — as evidenced presently by those who call a man in a dress a woman because they have no respect for themselves.

    All of the above meandering amounts to the following — Duesberg et. al. cohere with common sense. Both their scientific argument and their well-earned authority on their subject matter. The same cannot be said of those who have promised for decades, and have become famous and rich in the process, of a magical pill or injection that protects us from slow-motion and faster suicidal behavior.

    The Covid cult is a variant of this racket. Which, when you think about it, doesn’t even rise to the level of scientism or wishful intelligent thinking. HIV/AIDS made a mess of things on the promise of healing immune systems destroyed through behavioral recklessness in the extreme. The Covid “vaccines” skip right to “fixing” healthy immune systems.

  268. @Sisifo

    … but was the cholesterol the cause of the lesion?

    Another excellent comment…too many to respond to!

    Anyway, you’re correct to ask the question.

    Our study shows that a high total serum cholesterol concentration is not a risk factor for cardiovascular disease in people aged 85 years and over—on the contrary, it is associated with longevity.

    Interpretation

    In people older than 85 years, high total
    cholesterol concentrations are associated with longevity
    owing to lower mortality from cancer and infection. The
    effects of cholesterol-lowering therapy have yet to be
    assessed.

    Lancet 1997; 350: 1119–23
    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(97)04430-9.pdf

    Now before anyone jumps on this comment, I am aware of the limitations of this study as well as the fact that it’s just one study, but at least this is a start in raising the question about the validity of conventional “wisdom” regarding cholesterol.

    The point I’m making is that the science of cholsterol and of interventions such as statins, huge money makers that they’ve long been, is another topic that should be added to the list of issues that are not as settled as many presume them to be.

  269. George says:

    Pre internet journalist Tony Brown has put his archive online for \$10 yr subscription. This show was the first time I saw the issue discussed. Brown, African American, had a well presented show and from what I remember it was actually thought provoking.

    Dr. Peter Duesberg (renowned virologist) and Elinor Burkett (Miami Herald, reporter) discuss HIV, AIDS and AZT.

    https://www.tonybrownsjournal.com/hunting-the-virus-hunter-pt-1

  270. @thotmonger

    This plan to control humanity started with the global warming scare, or possibly before that but not that I am aware of. I am not sure if Kennedy is on board with the warmist scaring but it would be a detriment to his arguments against Covid if he is. Would love to see someone tie the knot with this as they are basically one and the same and you are even now seeing the push to use covid as an entrée to the “green” economy and green new deal. It really didn’t take that long to start transitioning from one to the other.

  271. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alfred

    You might enjoy this conference by Luc Montaigner.

    If memory serves, Pr Montaigner said in an interview that Benveniste’s term “memory of water” had been a bit unfortunate, a bit unclear. In this conference, he speaks of measurable “structure”. I will do an Unz here and admit I don’t have the technical competence to evaluate Montaigner’s claims, but it opens a world of possibilities.

    In my experience, homeopathy can do wonders. I am thinking of Trameel by BHI Labs. I have had it inyected directly —by my own allopathic surgeon— in a surgical incision the day after surgery and the recovery was astounding. So homeopathy and allopathy can be complementary.

    On covid, here is a video of Montaigner saying he has knowledge of 5 Creutzfeld-Jacob cases (prion disease) in recent months, from unrelated individuals, that he believes could be sequels to mRNA vaccination. The usual incidence of the disease is 1 in a million, mostly genetic but eventually sporadic from specific events (cornea implants).

    https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-le-defi-de-la-verite/pr-luc-montagnier-vaccination-prions

    • Thanks: W, Alfred
  272. @Pierre de Craon

    I do remember that Magic did disappear from sight and it always baffled me how that had happened. I am sure Fauci wanted to make him a poster boy upon his death. Did not know the back story to this how he had been saved from the drugs. In fact I believe many assumed he was taking drugs for it and that was why he was still alive. It was not until years later I found out about the whole thing being a hoax and the drugs the killer. Now that he is still going strong there is zero talk of him having been HIV positive and could be a good reason the hype surrounding HIV/AIDS seemed to subside very shortly after that. The whole false narrative had been compromised.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  273. RodW says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Out of curiosity, I Googled what Trump was given. Allegedly, it was a jolly old cocktail he got.

    https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/pharmacy/8-drugs-trump-has-been-given-for-his-covid-19-treatment.html

    It’s wonderful how many of the things that are rumoured to work have been labelled with cautions, despite the fact that they didn’t seem to have harmed Trump, and one would expect him to have reasonably good medical care.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  274. Emslander says:
    @Steve7

    Ron, RFK alleges that HIV alone doesn’t cause AIDS.

    As I’ve said and repeated several times, the RFK, Jr. book isn’t a discussion of the science of any of these diseases or cures, though the reader does learn a lot about the science. It’s a devastating indictment of the entire health care industry and its little piglets across modern society. These include Big Pharma, universities, hospitals, “scientific” researchers, the mass media, the Democrat and Republican parties, your corner drug store and, most likely, your own M.D. It’s an indictment that ought to result in conviction, prison or the death penalty, as the extent of each individual’s guilt contributes.

    RFK proves, beyond any reasonable doubt, that this system is incapable and disinterested in curing anything. It is interested in continuing its power so that it can continue its capacity for murder, rape and thievery, depending upon the particular predilection of each participant.

    • Thanks: Fart Blossom
  275. @Pierre de Craon

    But who cares about a little petitio principii when you are presented with an opportunity to fire a couple of shots at Peter Duesberg?

    Duesberg is presented in these pages as if he were a brilliant little-known scientist whose ideas ought to be given a hearing, which is totally misleading. His ideas have been given a hearing,and he has proved to be a bad actor.

    And to conclude, the snide virtual charge that Duesberg, having been denied access even to his Berkeley lab owing to Fauci’s influence, was somehow being mercenary in accepting Mbeki’s invitation to work in the field where he had been acknowledged one of the world’s superstars till Fauci dubbed hm an apostate…

    I don’t know anything about Duesberg being locked out of his own lab, but as far as I know he had never done any research on HIV per se. However he was already falling out with much of the scientific community over his oncogene theories regarding the genesis of cancer even prior to taking up an interest in HIV.

    As I understand it he received funding from the University of Heidelberg from 1997 onwards and continued with cancer research work for several years.

    I do believe that he was instrumental in convincing Mbeki that antiviral drugs were a waste of money, leading to legislation in that country that prevented pregnant mothers from getting access to donated drugs that can prevent transmission from mother to infant.

    I know you will think that this is all fiction made up to besmirch the reputation of this saintly man who has saved millions of lives, but so be it.

    OK, so:

    1. AIDS is not a blood-borne infection and it is not transmitted in exactly the same way as Hepatitis B, is that right? So even if everyone took 100% precautions against bloodborne transmission, that would make absolutely no difference at all? Is that right?

    2. If Duesberg had his way, no one would be given antiviral drugs for seropositivity.

    Ron Unz has previously run for California governor (and for the US Senate), and while I assume he has no further plans to run, if he was running for California governor now, and won, what instructions would he be giving to his public health officials regarding antivirals for AIDS. Would it just be cut off overnight, and would he appoint the elderly Duesberg, or a follower, as his Director of the California Department of Public Health?

    3. Would you like to see a trial in which all Californians currently receiving antiretroviral drugs would be divided into three groups as follows:

    a) continue to receive antiretroviral therapy,
    b) antiretroviral therapy is cut off,
    c) a group of volunteers who are HIV +ve, but believe they can cure themselves with vitamins, zinc, carrot juice, homeopathy, or any other form of alternative medicine.

    For group b), the State of California could offer 25 year term-life insurance policies with premiums paid for by the state, and self insured by the state.

    What possible objections might there be to such a trial?

    Of course the ethical objection is that you only offer no medication or a placebo when there is no existing treatment. Once you have an effective treatment, then in the trial for a new treatment, the new treatment is compared to the old treatment.

    But a study in which no medication is considered to be the new treatment? Well, we can let our putative Governor Unz and his advisors decide on that one.

    … and that there is something essentially different about the character of such well-identified and well-documented diseases as cancer, tuberculosis, and dementia when HIV is present in the afflicted person.

    Well, many people are exposed to TB and show antibodies as per PPD testing, but relatively few convert to active TB, and in particular miliary systemic TB, which is most commonly seen in people who are HIV +ve. In the US TB was virtually extinct, until it made a comeback among the HIV+ve population.

    There is a whole field of TB studies, and little time to address that here, but yes, there are certain similarities in the history of the treatment of TB and AIDS, and the two fields are interconnected in various ways.

  276. Levtraro says:

    The primary audience of Kennedy’s book is America’s large and mobilized anti-vaxxing community, and many of those individuals may ignore his long discussion of the HIV/AIDS controversy, or even dismiss it as a distraction. But I think this is a serious strategic mistake. Instead, a major focus upon the questionable HIV/AIDS narrative and the contrary Duesberg Hypothesis may constitute the best means of discrediting America’s dominant medical establishment, and thereby enabling a reassessment of our vaccination policy

    The problem with the main argument of your article, Mr. Unz, is that there is no time. By the time mainstream theory of AIDS is debunked (if that happens) and the role of Dr. F. and pharma in elevating HIV as the cause of AIDS for business purposes is revealed (if that happens) over 90% of the people in western countries would have been injected with the emergency-approved, profit-wonder mRNA substance.

  277. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @RAD1

    Here’s one video where Didier Raoult also says mRNA can be encoded into DNA:

    We know since 1989

    .. Some say we know since 1950s there’s only one way in the human body: DNA then RNA then proteins, and humans don’t have the enzymes to do the reverse, except we know that is not true since 1989, — the SPILF(French authority) doesn’t know and says I am a charlatan but the reverse transcriptase exist (min 12:30).

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  278. Rock Hudson vs Freddie Mercury vs Magic Johnson.

    Johnson after 15 years of living with HIV:

    Johnson says he’s anything but cured. He says he owes his well-being — and quite possibly his life — to the multidrug cocktail he takes everyday.

    The drugs, GlaxoSmithKline’s Trizivir and Abbott’s Kaletra, are standard treatments used by many thousands of others infected with the AIDS virus, HIV.[USA Today.]

    He has advertised GlaxoSmithKline’s drugs, and partnered with Abbott Laboratories to publicize the fight against AIDS in African American communities

  279. cohen says:
    @AReply

    You sound like a sick and lonely man starving for attention. Good for you.

    Your statement or personal attack on UNZ about Holohox the dead horse caught my attention.
    You need to distinguish between dissemination and propaganda. I personally dont agree with lot of writers on this site. But I value the information that I get.

    Here are some dead goats (not your dead horse) of holohox.

    A book ” Germany must Perish” by a Jewish Ted Kaufman who was president Roosevelt speech writer which was published and copy righted in 1941, before America got into WWII. Comprehensive plan how to exterminate 70 million Germans by various means. So far Holohox experts, historians, promoters failed to produce a single document about German plan to exterminate 6 million Jews in various trials in Germany, Canada and other places were dumb founded when the defense lawyers asked them the same questions. I would like to see if you could refer me to some place. Not Spielberg, Oprah Winfrey, ADL, AIPAC ……. Now you need to do some work. get off your butt and look for this requested information.

    https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish1941/1941%20-%20Germany%20Must%20Perish%21%20-%20Theodore%20N.%20Kaufman/page/n1/mode/2up

    The other dead goat of Holohox is following:

    https://odysee.com/@Slammdcrxx:8/HoloHoax—The-Ultimate-Red-Pill---Part-2:b?lid=19a1d90e710e0efc230e2d77f023409e5d5487fe

    go to Odysse. com and type Holocaust. You will find lot of horses. Learn, Learn.

    • Thanks: W
  280. Hempus says:

    Big Pharma, depopulation Pope Bill Gates and the poisonous dwarf Dr. Fauci could easily “make” a new weave of AIDS by just use this good early HIV-tests in Nursing homes or in hospitals where people are shortly before death. You would be surprised how many are positive…but the sex plague narrative does not work there well.

    As Kary Mullis said: this virus or particle of it are just marker and not the cause of a disease.
    Actually if anyone is pcr-tested positive for any virus we should apploud and tell them: great! you have the antibodies to this virus, congratulation! you dont need any vaccine to make exactly this antibodies!

    There is no worse evil strategy as to tell someone: you have a deadly virus in your breathing system. Many people have a hypochondriac disposition and immediately after the test result they start hyperventilating and may end up on a ventilator if wrong treatment is introduced as the evil Covid treatment protocol with remdesivir, etc. Btw…this happened also to Donald Trump when he was tested positive….did anyone see the video? “Syrian girl” / twitter was maybe the only place where you could see it!

    I had more then hundred aids positive patients around 1990 and I have seen how a positive test results create fear and panic and changes the mostly “peaceful” breathing into hyperventilation.
    Every sweet stewardess in an airplane could deal better with such a situation then the corrupt hospitals. The problem is the deep breathing which creates more energy then the breathing musculature can transform …its like a little permanent electroshock which is contracting more and more the muscles. This musculature is mostly not prepared for such a fear & panic marathon…… after 100 meter they have a soreness in the breathing muscles ( which are not in the lungs!) this situation is life dangerous especially if those people get the wrong treatment! With covid tests the situation is not much different.

    so, if you like to end the pandemic stop testing and its over!
    Omicron is a dead stock virus…its almost everywhere already! This virus is not spreading ….only the tests spread!

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon, Marcion
  281. I have heard that in many cases the hospitals are taking an anxiety attack and treating it with a deadly intervention. I greatly appreciate how you have explained the dynamics of this in greater detail.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  282. W says:
    @SBaker

    PCR testing is a simple, rapid screening test for the presence of nucleic acid strands, from a large variety of infectious agents, both viral and bacterial. PCR does identify viable infectious agents. The definitive diagnosis requires virus isolation which takes considerable time and expense.

    Ten dollar words. Very smart.

    He said the PCR test was questionable and he is right.

    Dr. Kary B. Mullis. “No Infection or Illness Can be Accurately Diagnosed with the PCR Test

    Surely when you people say we should listen to the experts you’re not just talking about experts that reinforce the official narrative right?

    Right?

    You believe science is a method, not a position.

    Right?

    If an expert goes against the official narrative their expertise isn’t simply invalidated.

    Right?

    • LOL: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @SBaker
  283. @RodW

    Thanks for that info, RW, very kind.

    I do recall thinking at the time that I somewhat doubted they shot up a sitting president with a couple of essentially ‘experimental’ drugs (Remdesevir and Regeneron’s monoclonal antibodies), as an adverse reaction would pretty much doom any chance the public would buy into the safety of these new approaches, especially the mRNA vaccine technology that was highly promised (even though it wasn’t used as it was as of then still unavailable and wouldn’t work anyway) but you never know. If his doctors thought he was truly at risk, maybe they pin-cushioned the guy like is claimed.

  284. Don Unf says:
    @durd

    That sounds like it could have been a chalupacabra. Did it give off an odor of paprika and pita?

    • Replies: @durd
  285. Mr. Anon says:
    @Justrambling

    Where in my post did I say anything about Fauci? Read posts before responding with irrelevant comments.

    I did read your post. Something I am unlikely to ever do again, you prickly jerk.

    YOU brought up the fact that somebody who has a Nobel Prize is not infallible. Well – the same holds true for government hacks like Fauci and his ilk. That IS germane. Who has wielded more actual power over the last thirty years? Fauci or Mullis? Fauci controls a multi-billion dollar research budget which he can use to mold academic and public opinion. He has run a government agency which is a chokepoint for determining the direction of medical research, and he has done so for 38 years. You know how many octogenarians work in the federal civil service at the same job they’ve held for four decades? Not many. He is probably the only one. You have to go back to J. Edgar Hoover to find anyone with a tenure like that.

    Please provide some non establishment links to scientific journals, not hearsay, and I will be happy to read and evaluate them with an open mind, instead of babbling about with unfounded conspiracy theories.

    I’m not your lackey. You can do your own damned research. But here, perhaps this will help:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4172096/

    There are some references therein. This is an article that was published in 2014 and subsequently retracted in 2019. Get a load of the retraction statement:

    In 2014, Frontiers in Public Health published an article by Dr. Patricia Goodson, Texas A&M University: “Questioning the HIV-AIDS hypothesis: 30 years of dissent”.

    The article was submitted under our “Hypothesis and Theory” article-type and purported to review “the most salient questions raised, alongside theories proposing non-viral causes for AIDS.” The utility of the article as a historical summary of dissenting theories of AIDS was recognized by the reviewers and editors, who accepted the article for publication. Within days, several formal complaints were received by our office, and, in accordance with our complaints protocol, we submitted these to a group of Editors-in-Chief for their expert opinion. Based on their advice, Frontiers took three actions:

    1,) The article-type was changed to “Opinion” to better reflect the subjectivity of the subject matter and to clarify to the scientific community and broader readership that the work was not one of empirical basis.

    2.) Most importantly, several invited critical commentaries were published and linked directly to the published opinion article. These commentaries situated the original paper within the context of unsupported, fringe theories on HIV-AIDS. They were intended to ensure that all readers understand that the causal link between HIV and AIDS cannot be called into question.

    Cannot be called into question? Ever? For any reason? Is that scientific?

    There aren’t a lot of critiques of the HIV/AIDS link published in the relevant scientific literature because those publications freeze out any dissenting opinion. The editors and reviewers are mostly all dependent on that same source mentioned above for their own research funding.

    Kary Mullis described how he submitted a paper to the medical hypothesis section of Nature describing a test of the HIV-AIDS link. They wouldn’t publish it. This was after he had won the Nobel Prize, by the way, and won it for a technology that is the basis of a lot of the biotech industry. And they deemed it not worth their effort to publish a brief few-pages article by him.

    If you imagine the whole process is disinterested and above-board, you are foolishly naive.

    • Replies: @cohen
  286. The Peul says:

    A couple of excerpts from RFK Jr.’s book.

    Pg. 191:

    It gets even weirder when one contemplates Dr. Fauci’s \$15 billion-dollar HIV vaccine enterprise. Usually, regulators measure a vaccine’s success by its ability to produce robust and durable antibodies. Now, for the first time in history, Dr. Fauci and Bob Gallo were asking the world to believe that antibodies were a sign of active, deadly disease. This begs the question, “What is the HIV vaccine supposed to do?”

    Mulling this conundrum, Reinhard Kurth, former director of the Robert Koch Institute, shrugged his shoulders in bewilderment during a 2004 interview with Der Spiegel: “To tell the truth, we really don’t know exactly what has to happen in a vaccine so that it protects from AIDS.” Perhaps that is the dilemma that has frustrated Dr. Fauci’s AIDS vaccine project for thirty-six years

    \$15 billion dollars spent to find a vaccine for which no one knows the measure for success is quite extraordinary.

    Although RFK Jr. has been classed as “HIV-AIDS denier” it is important to quote the following:

    Pg. 195:

    (For the record, I believe that HIV is a [emphasis mine] cause of AIDS, but Dr. Fauci’s acknowledgement of non-HIV AIDS shows that causation is more complex than the official theology.)

    It seems that RFK Jr.’s views align more with Luc Montagnier’s initial views that HIV was a necessary prerequisite but not sole cause of AIDS.

    Pg. 194:

    Many physicians caring for AIDS patients were furious that the government agency had not informed them about the non-HIV AIDS cases. Curran confessed that the CDC had known about these cases for years.

    He feebly protested, “These are not causes of AIDS,” reasoning, with circular gymnastics, that they couldn’t be AIDS since the definition of AIDS requires the presence of HIV.

    This is quite extraordinary gymnastics indeed. If a patient has all the symptoms of AIDS, but no HIV, they don’t have AIDS; if they have all the symptoms of AIDS and have the HIV virus, they must have AIDS; and therefore, HIV causes AIDS. Huh???????

    Pg. 196:

    Today, even Dr. Fauci’s most loyal clergymen acknowledge that there are over 165,000 Americans and millions of individuals globally who carry the HIV virus without ill effect. According to the CDC estimates, approximately one-third of HIV-positives in the United States do not know their status. If this is the case, Harvey Bialy points out, there should be a huge number of people dying suddenly of AIDS. This is not happening. In fact, the vast majority of those who test positive for HIV remain healthy for years. Duesberg and other critics argued that there is meager proof that people with HIV alone will not live a normal life span.

    If HIV is the cause of AIDS, the fact that 1/3 of HIV-positive people do not know their status combined with the fact that an HIV positive persons can live years perfectly healthy, should a public health issue far outweighing COVID and cancer since the virus can get transmitted pretty fast across the population (at least that’s my very layman understanding). I would imagine that the 1/3 of the HIV-positive population that are unaware of their status are probably sexually active and there is probably a significant fraction of them have unprotected sex. With the figures quoted above, it’s quite extraordinary to me that the HIV-positive population in America isn’t bigger than it is. But then again, these numbers are coming from the CDC and if Duesberg and other HIV-AIDS deniers are correct, why should we even trust any figures coming out of the CDC.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  287. @anon

    I am an 81 year old female who worked as an R.N. in San Francisco during a phenomenon of an

    infectious condition occurring specifically diagnozed in MEN, some of whom were from ships coming into San

    Francisco Bay, and which was medically termed GRIDS- Gay-Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome.

    It is quite later than ever before to recognize that this first cause information is rejected ,disregarded and dismissed from the mountains of information regarding this deadly AIDS , HIV

    infectious disease, and the consequent gay/buggery/sodomy/LGBTT/ homosexualization of our JudeoChristian Country.

    Pray to God for His Justice and Mercy as we keep up the good fight to save our children from this ungodlyy infiltraion.

    • Replies: @ivan
  288. @Jack Sparrow

    In this video interview dated November 10th 2021 Magic Johnson clearly states that, oh yes, he takes a drug cocktail every day, but only once a day, whereas it used to be three times a day.

    That discussion is near the end of the interview.

    I think Pierre de Craon needs to get on the phone to Magic Johnson and clarify this matter.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  289. cohen says:
    @Mr. Anon

    No point in paying attention to such delusional people who cannot put 2 and 2 together. They will say 22. If this guy “Justambling” can not figure out some simple items than God has mercy on him.
    Chinese working in Biolabs in US. NIH or NAID or whatever the hell? is funding Wuhan lab for gain of functions which was (probably) prohibited in US. The Covid patents originally that were awarded to several US agencies (some UK) and then they all disappeared from Internet (google) and replaced by some individuals name (no more US agencies connection), censorship of any questions about Fauci and Company from digital world, and why the doctors were forbidden to write Ivermectin for the flu, however, it was was OK for other illnesses. Why Dr. Mengele Jr. or Little Mengele lied under oath in Senate hearing and got away. of course he has backing of powerful. This all old stuff.

    Someone has to spoon feed such information to this guy or troll or transgender for that matter.

    He probably lives around lake Wobegon and always feeling good.

  290. durd says:
    @Don Unf

    I guess you’re joking but no there was no smell. Just one of the strangest episodes of my life. Could of been a scare tactic by a guerilla grower with a really good battery operated sound system but I don’t think that would of made the incident less strange. I never did move and was never bothered again.

  291. ivan says:
    @Alfred

    In the Indian Ayurvedic system of medicine, how water is taken is important. For example lukewarm, cold or otherwise. It affects the efficacy of medicines and the humours of the body. We are about 75% water, yet try telling the likes of Maddox at Nature about this, and they go on about controlled experiments with water in a beaker, not being able to detect any effect.

    But it apparently never occurred to them, that the effect they should be looking for is in conjunction with the human body.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  292. On COVID vaccines: Why they cannot work, and irrefutable evidence of their causative role in deaths after vaccination



    Video Link

    Doctors Arne Burkhardt and Sucharit Bhakdi provide evidence that the COVID-19 vaccines cannot protect against a viral infection and trigger self-destruction within vital organs.

    Where I live one of the Local Hospitals is sending medical vans to the local schools to death inject the children. Contact your local school boards to protest such actions. Tell your child do not let them inject you.

    • Replies: @ImaBotKnot
  293. ivan says:
    @Alfred

    Control for women who either willingly or unwillingly take it up the rear, and heterosexual transmission of AIDS magically disappears. It is a disease connected with the filth in the rectum and drug addiction. As was said early on by some wags – and I am repeating myself, AIDS = Anally Injected Death Sentence. But obviously the gays cannot have that to be widely known. So it all about the magical AZT and protease inhibitors. For otherwise they’ll have to modify their behaviour and acknowledge that God did have a point in destroying Sodom and Gomorrah.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  294. ivan says:
    @Remember when

    Indeed, before they censored it, it was well publicised that the disease was first characterised in the bathhouses of San Francisco. All the gays needed to do was to give up promiscuity and “recreational drugs”, but the sodomites misdirected the thrust of the effort to control the disease with alleged concern for the unfortunate haemophiliacs who got it through blood transfusion and such-like distractions. They were ably assisted by “scientists” such as Anthony Fauci, always there to provide the veneer of authority. That pest got his start from those days.

    • Agree: Marcion
  295. @Jonathan Mason

    Magic Johnson knows what he has to say to avoid formal cancelation by the people you serve. You know it, too—why else would you be keeping tabs on him?

    As for you, my fundamental culpable error has been failing to realize sooner that you are here, not as yourself, but as the agent, perhaps paid, of (((Narrative purveyers))). Put otherwise, your purpose is to distract, not discuss. I need hardly add that you are certainly not alone. I think of the guy on another thread who kept insisting that my opinions would carry ever so much more weight if I told him my “real” name, especially as Google and Wikipedia had given him no information with which he could turn my life into a nightmare. My sense is that you and he kneel to the same master.

    Henceforward, you are ignored.

  296. saggy says: • Website
    @Pierre de Craon

    Magic Johnson knows what he has to say to avoid formal cancelation by the people you serve. You know it, too—why else would you be keeping tabs on him?

    As for you, my fundamental culpable error has been failing to realize sooner that you are here, not as yourself, but as the agent, perhaps paid, of (((Narrative purveyers))). Put otherwise, your purpose is to distract, not discuss. I need hardly add that you are certainly not alone. I think of the guy on another thread who kept insisting that my opinions would carry ever so much more weight if I told him my “real” name, especially as Google and Wikipedia had given him no information with which he could turn my life into a nightmare. My sense is that you and he kneel to the same master.

    Henceforward, you are ignored.

    Can it get any more idiotic?

    The Duesberg Hypothesis Revived, only on Unz !

  297. @Pierre de Craon

    Still, to go to the critical core of the issue, even if the sexual transmission of HIV were as sure a bet as the sexual transmission of the clap, it would still not make a harmless passenger virus either a disease or a disease’s causative agent.

    I agree. The harmfulness of HIV is substantiated by other lines of evidence. I don’t have any problem with anybody questioning the established theory, but non-expert though I am, I just don’t find their arguments convincing.

    P.S. Notwithstanding our frequent disagreements at TOO, I have missed seeing your comments there. Best wishes for the New Year.

    HNY to you too. I’ll give it another pop just to see, but enough comments failed to be posted that I figured I must be banned. Then again, those comments were to Andrew Joyce pieces, so perhaps I’m only restricted from commenting on those.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  298. @saggy

    Thanks for quoting me in full!

  299. @azureamaranthine

    First, you clearly did not read this article completely.

    If your reason for saying that is that Duesberg offered to be infected with HIV, then I have addressed this elsewhere. (Offering is not the same thing as doing; he doesn’t require anyone’s permission or approval, he can simply get infected and stun the world with his enduring health.)

    My understanding is that HIV is considered harmful because it causes AIDS, harmful for that reason and no other. Are you suggesting that even if it doesn’t cause AIDS it’s nevertheless still harmful? That is not the impression I have gotten from reading the denialists.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  300. @a mystery within a mystery within a

    Duesenberg argues

    I wasn’t aware that an automobile from the ’20’s had an opinion!

    Duesberg!

  301. @saggy

    Oh well… you get to be WRONG twice!

    • LOL: Kali
  302. @Pierre de Craon

    Magic Johnson knows what he has to say to avoid formal cancelation by the people you serve. You know it, too—why else would you be keeping tabs on him?

    Sorry, I was under the impression from your previous post that he had already been canceled almost 30 years ago.

    I was not keeping tabs on him, but after your previous post I looked on YouTube to see if Johnson had ever commented on the issue of medication.

    So in fact Magic Johnson lied on network TV a few weeks ago in front of the whole nation and in front of his wife, when he had the chance to come out and create a sensation by claiming he had survived HIV for 29 and a half years without taking antiviral medication? Is that what you are saying, Pierre?

    No wonder your side has a hard time getting taken seriously by the mainstream press when your prize exhibit denies all knowledge of you, like Peter denying Jesus.

    Will Ron Unz now come out and openly call Magic Johnson one of the biggest prevaricators in history?

  303. @Pierre de Craon

    I think of the guy on another thread who kept insisting that my opinions would carry ever so much more weight if I told him my “real” name, especially as Google and Wikipedia had given him no information with which he could turn my life into a nightmare

    Pierre de Craon was a notorious medieval French thief and murderer who died in 1409.

    I guess you chose to use his name because it fitted your character.

    I don’t know why the other chap couldn’t find any information in Wikipedia. Perhaps he was so poorly educated that he couldn’t even read French!

    Please get in touch with Earvin ‘Magic’ Johnson. He is expecting your call.

  304. Sisifo says:
    @silviosilver

    Your chances are still 1 in 200. Throwing a dice you have 1 in 6 chances to get a number, throwing the dice six times still give you the same 1 in 6 chances.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @silviosilver
  305. Sisifo says:
    @Refuctio

    But AIDS is not simply a matter of politics or belief. It is a real disease that has already killed vast numbers of people and threatens millions more in the near future.”
    Robert Koch Institute

    The same institute which says that the answer to having 98.5% of the infected fully vaccinated is to have more vaccines.

    Do you also have any quote from Fauci to further your thesis?

  306. Ron Unz says:
    @silviosilver

    If your reason for saying that is that Duesberg offered to be infected with HIV, then I have addressed this elsewhere. (Offering is not the same thing as doing; he doesn’t require anyone’s permission or approval, he can simply get infected and stun the world with his enduring health.)

    I don’t think that’s a fair criticism under the circumstances…

    First, keep in mind that according to the orthodox AIDS framework there’s often a lag of ten years or more between HIV infection and AIDS disease. So if Duesberg injected himself, the establishment would just call him a suicidal loon and predict his horrible death many years down the road. It would be a one-day story, which wouldn’t help him in the least.

    Duesberg’s career was wrecked and all of his funding eliminated, preventing him from doing his important research. One of the very few cards he had to play was a willingness to have himself injected and it shouldn’t be squandered.

    I think I read somewhere that Duesberg had asked for a package deal: he would inject himself in exchange for a reasonable commitment of future research funding, maybe 0.001% of what all the HIV/AIDS people are getting for their virus research. That sounds like a fair trade to me, and naturally it was rejected.

  307. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sisifo

    Your chances are still 1 in 200. Throwing a dice you have 1 in 6 chances to get a number, throwing the dice six times still give you the same 1 in 6 chances.

    No, that isn’t true. There is a 1 in 6 chance of getting a particular number (say 2) on each roll, but after six roles of that same die, the chance of getting that particular number once (and once is all it takes in this analogy) increases. Roll the die enough and your chance of getting a 2 approach 100%.

    • Replies: @Sisifo
  308. @Sisifo

    Your chances are still 1/200 on your very next sexual encounter, yes. Just as if you’d correctly called 20 heads in a row, your chances of heads on the 21st flip would still be 50%.

    But your chances of correctly calling 21 coin flips in a row are certainly not 50%.

    Similarly, your chances of remaining uninfected after X number of sexual encounters are assuredly not 199/200 (if X>1).

    Put aside the actual calculation for a moment, and just think about it logically. If the odds of getting infected on any particular sexual encounter are 1/200, you really think someone with 10 million sexual encounters has the same chance of remaining uninfected as someone with 5?

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  309. @Ron Unz

    It would be a one-day story, which wouldn’t help him in the least.

    I completely disagree. With each passing year, if his health held up, his claim would only grow stronger and stronger.

    If he had done it when he first offered to, he could have virtually single-handedly settled the issue by now.

    And why is it all up to Duesberg anyway? Anyone who feels as strongly as he supposedly does could do the same.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  310. Mr. Anon says:
    @silviosilver

    I completely disagree. With each passing year, if his health held up, his claim would only grow stronger and stronger.

    If he had done it when he first offered to, he could have virtually single-handedly settled the issue by now.

    What if he had developed cancer that was completely unrelated? Lots of people get cancer, even people who are not HIV+. That would queer the whole demonstration.

    Anyway, it wouldn’t matter. Even if he lived to be 120, the media would just ignore him. Fauci and his side would never acknowledge it. One case would not be statistically significant anyway. Even the medical establishment acknowledges that there are people who are HIV+ and yet who do not develop AIDS.

    I’m not arguing that Duesberg is right. I don’t know that he is. I am arguing that he never got a fair hearing for his views. And not just his views, there actually are a lot of dissenters from the official line of the medical establishment. As a denizen of this site, you must realize that a lot of things you believe, and likely believe with good reason, are deemed to be wrong by society and its official arbiters. Not just wrong, but bad……evil……….well nigh heretical. Is it not possible that Duesberg is right, in whole or in part? I think it’s worth considering. That’s all. I would recommend a couple of videos that were linked to by other commenters up thread: the interview with Kary Mullis, and the House of Numbers video. The HoN video is somewhat annoying with the tinkly music and other standard emotional-manipulation tricks, but he brings up some good points and gets a lot of the insiders to admit some interesting things. By no means are these videos conclusive proof, but they are interesting.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  311. Mr. Anon says:
    @The Peul

    It gets even weirder when one contemplates Dr. Fauci’s \$15 billion-dollar HIV vaccine enterprise. Usually, regulators measure a vaccine’s success by its ability to produce robust and durable antibodies. Now, for the first time in history, Dr. Fauci and Bob Gallo were asking the world to believe that antibodies were a sign of active, deadly disease. This begs the question, “What is the HIV vaccine supposed to do?”

    This would seem to be a crucial point. One of the measures of efficacy for the COVID vaccines, to name but one example, is their ability to produce a robust and durable anti-body response. I.e., they believe the vaccine is working because it’s producing anti-bodies.

    However the standard tests for HIV rely on the presence of anti-bodies. This means that you could have a perfectly healthy person who does not have HIV, they take the vaccine, and then they would be classified as HIV+.

    Why haven’t RT-PCR tests become the standard for HIV? They’re common enough now for COVID.

    • Replies: @The Peul
    , @Alfred
  312. Sisifo says:
    @Mr. Anon

    So youbare saying that to have better chances to win the lottery, you should play the least drawn numbers?

    Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  313. @silviosilver

    Your comments about TOO are noted.

    Apropos which, in the past year the moderators have become very protective of certain authors and—rather less explicably, I think—of a great many commenters, notably the ones with the least to offer: the off-topic ranters, the hasbara types, the multiple-identity types, and the insulting, foulmouthed morons (i.e., the serious shit slingers).

    For example, when I worked out that one guy was commenting under at least four separate identities and frequently using his comments to soft-pedal criticism of the Jews, virtually all of my comments to or about him that were made after my initial disclosure were denied publication. He was permitted, however, to sneer at me at will. The mods’ duty to remain “impartial” found expression in the suppression of many of the most vulgar comments directed at me by the shit slingers—or so I infer. Certainly they have been complaining for months that KM won’t let them tear the “stupid old fart” to shreds.

    As to how actively Kevin participates in the daily running of the site, your guess is as good as mine. My recollection is that, ten years ago, the quarreling among commenters was far less restrained yet far more apt and literate (= less profanity without purpose) than it is now. Of course, not every author has skin as thick as Kevin’s. Damn few do, in fact.

    In common with most other old guys, I miss a lot about the past.

  314. @Poco

    No, I still believe the Chinese style lockdowns are the way to go if we want to get rid of this completely. It would need to be done globally and completely for every human being on earth. That was never wrong. It is just am impossible goal with the poor countries and 50% of the stooopid americans and others.

    I have personally stopped caring. With how strongly the Japanese govt and others have acted in the face of OMICRON, essentially shutting off their countries from the outside. I still might change my mind about the 3rd booster shot. I personally know a family with 2 nurses. Both strongly urge me to get the booster. the younger sister nurse just got the covid and is having super severe symptoms. The younger brother also had it, he got well but lost almost all his sense of taste n smell.

    I will wait and see how this OMICRON wave’s death rate is. Don’t play DATA and MENTAL gymnastics with your own health and mortality. Of course, all of this is pointless if you are just a troll or paid for turd.

    • Troll: Je Suis Omar Mateen
    • Replies: @Kali
  315. @Ron Unz

    If you want to go even further down the rabbit hole, the Perth Group (mentioned in RFK Jr’s book in passing) goes further than Duesberg. They say that HIV has not been proven to exist. Luc Montagnier’s most recent comments have actually paralleled their work more than Duesberg. Montagnier discusses oxidative stress in relation to AIDS, and the focus of the Perth Group’s work is that the lifestyle factors (such as drug use) cause oxidative stress leading to immune deficiency. As somebody who has followed the AIDS debate for awhile and in detail, my conclusion is the Perth Group have probably got it right.

    They first published this in 1993 in Nature/Biotechnology:
    http://www.theperthgroup.com/SCIPAPERS/EPENatBioTech1993.pdf

    Their magnum opus and swan song was published to their website in 2017:
    http://www.theperthgroup.com/hivexist.html

    The filmmaker behind House of Numbers did a sequel focusing on their work:

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  316. The Peul says:
    @Mr. Anon

    From RFK Jr.’s book.

    Pg. 191 – 192

    The Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) technique does not measure the actual, live virus in the body, but the amplified fragments of DNA that are thought to be similar to HIV. But even if those fragments are amplified from the authentic HIV DNA, they could be from an old exposure — from a long-dead virus genetically similar to HIV, left over from an infection that has been suppressed by antibodies, perhaps decades earlier.

    “The HIV test has never been validated,” said Kary Mullis. “It doesn’t show information; it shows viral particles that may exist in millions of people.” In the late 1980s, the biting and sardonic Mullis became Gallo and Fauci’s most fierce critic — in fact ridiculer. Mullis added, “With the PCR method, mind you, not a complete virus, but only very fine traces of genes (DNA, RNA) may be detected, but whether they come from a [certain] virus, or from some other contamination, remains unclear.”

    Heinz Ludwig Sanger, professor of molecular biology and 1978 winner of the renowned Robert Koch prize, stated that “HIV has never been isolated, for which reason its nucleic acids cannot be used in PCR virus load test as the standard for giving evidence of HIV….

    Knowing the above, it’s not surprising that every PCR kit includes a manufacture’s warning. “Do not use this kit as the sole basis for detecting HIV, and some of those people came down with symptoms of AIDS, but that doesn’t begin, even, to answer the question: Does HIV cause it? Human beings are full of retroviruses.”

    Kary Mullis was the inventor of the PCR test so his quotes above have heavy weight.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  317. @Jonathan Mason

    I think it’s important to point out that Duesberg was in the minority group of President Mbeki’s AIDS Advisory panel. 2/3 of the panel were orthodox AIDS researchers, and Mbeki, having been involved in fighting apartheid and as Mandela’s designated successor, understood the value of inviting minority voices to the table. Mbeki is a highly intelligent trained Oxford economist – not some loony African jungle person. His health advisor Sam Mhilongo alerted him to the problems with the HIV=AIDS hypothesis, and given the limited resources of the South African government, Mbeki felt that putting those toward alleviating poverty in South Africa’s black communities should be a public health priority. In a lecture I’ve previously posted here, Advisory Panel member David Rasnick describes Mbeki’s syphillis eradication program’s success – especially in Pretoria. On his own website, Rasnick discusses the CIA’s own efforts to subvert Mbeki’s blue-ribbon panel. In 2006, Mhilongo’s car was blown up – most likely by the CIA.

    You can read Mbeki’s Advisory Panel report here:
    http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/panel/aidsreport.pdf

    Rian Milan was hired by Jann Wenner to cover the AIDS debate in South Africa for Rolling Stone, and he found that many of Mbeki’s concerns were well-founded. Moreover, Malan visited coffin-makers in Johannesburg and found most of them were going bankrupt and nobody was dying:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjJz72H74_1AhVCK80KHc-6AQMQFnoECAYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fabrahamson.medill.northwestern.edu%2FWWW%2FIALJS%2FMalan_AidsInAfrica_RollingStone_22Nov2001.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3le4WftKsbkWuO5o5NkQNl

    The advisory panel provoked a nationwide debate on the value of ARVs. In the same year, South African television sponsored a poll about the value of ARVs, and the majority of South Africans said they caused net harm. I think it’s important to look at the actual conversations that were going on at the time and respect the intelligence of the people involved. In American television, there is no equivalent debate about the value of pharmaceutical products:

    In 2000, the International AIDS Conference was held in Durban, South Africa, and Mbeki invited a documentary filmmaker (Robin Scoville) to cover it. The film is really worth a watch:



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Robjil, Pierre de Craon, Alfred
  318. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sisifo

    So youbare saying that to have better chances to win the lottery, you should play the least drawn numbers?

    Sorry, but it doesn’t work that way.

    You are wrong. If a particular act has a 1 in 200 chance of a particular outcome, the chance of that outcome occurring approaches a 1 in 1 chance (i.e. certainty) if you do that act 200 times.

    That’s what the phrase “a 1 in 200 chance” means.

    • Replies: @Sisifo
    , @Alfred
  319. Polymath says:

    I cut through most of this as follows:

    1) something deadly was transmitted by blood transfusions starting around 1980
    2) after they started screening the blood supply for HIV, blood transfusions became relatively safe again.

    I may have missed RFK’s or Duesberg’s answer to this, but it seems to me this makes a pretty strong case that HIV caused some of what was recorded as AIDS.

    Is 1) wrong, or is 2) wrong, or is my inference from 1) and 2) wrong?

  320. @Ron Unz

    I think I read somewhere that Duesberg had asked for a package deal: he would inject himself in exchange for a reasonable commitment of future research funding, maybe 0.001% of what all the HIV/AIDS people are getting for their virus research. That sounds like a fair trade to me, and naturally it was rejected.

    I heard Duesberg talk about his proposal at the time he made it public. Ron’s characterization of it is correct in all essentials. My own description would have differed from his only in that I recall no demand or request for funding for any future research. He certainly did insist on a lace-curtain approach to the self-injection project, however, since he knew and stated that with everyone in the Establishment opposed to him, even the slightest questionability about a time or a date or the presence of a corroborating assistant with full qualifications would be exploited by his opponents to taint his data. Can anyone—aside from Mason, saggy, and the other trolls—argue in good conscience that these fears were baseless?

    One other thing Ron omitted is that Duesberg insisted that the proximate source of the funding be the federal government and that there be constant oversight from NIH and NAS. Only thus, he declared, could he have any confidence that his results could avert an otherwise predictable rejection by Fauci on the grounds of Duesberg’s collusion with the private funder. That Fauci would have literally zero evidence for any such claim would not prevent the courtier press and the scientific branch of the HIV establishment from endorsing Fauci’s lie wholeheartedly.

    Anyone who still says in 2022* that Fauci would never stoop to such tactics is a fool or a knave.

    [My own opinion is that Duesberg was far too optimistic. A man to whom truth and integrity are as essential as food and water will always be at the mercy of a man who cares primarily about money and power. It has ever been thus. Indeed, there is a term in theology for a man or woman who refuses to compromise truth and integrity however great the pressure to do so. The term is saint.]
    __________________
    *My sincere wish for a Happy New Year to all who read this comment.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  321. @Anon

    Thank you for your comment. I speak only half in jest in saying that learning that Riri, Fifi, and Loulou are the names the French use for Huey, Dewey, and Louie is the most satisfying piece of information to come my way in 2021.

    Somewhat more on topic, do you know of a link to this interview that has superior English captions? Whenever I find that I understand the words the professor is saying, I also see that the captions mistranslate them.

    • Replies: @Anon
  322. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. cetrainly wrote the right book at the right time, and helped to revive an old controversy (HIV-AIDS) largely forgotten by the mainstream. The book is now a bestseller, but will it be remembered x years down the line or forgotten like the one Duesberg once wrote?

  323. @Ron Unz

    Who did Duesberg propose as an authority that both sides could agree was impartial and competent to certify that the injection actually contained HIV?

    Not that it would matter – if they really went ahead with it and Duesberg remained healthy while HIV+ for decades, or even tested HIV-negative, the media either would black it out or the HIV-causalists would renege and claim he never got himself injected in the first place (and deny the implications any of his subsequent HIV tests).

    • Replies: @Emil Nikola Richard
  324. @ivan

    There are those who claim that sodomy is Satanic initiation. I have no doubt that it is practiced as a ritual in their Satanic temples and that some of those Satanists are initiating others unbeknown to them outside the temples, but could even non-Satanists practicing it be inadvertently initiating others into the Satanic fold? Anyway the world seems ripe for a Sodom and Gomorrah judgement. God gave Man eternal life and he squandered it; oh well, better luck next time, God … some other planet.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Emil Nikola Richard
  325. @Pierre de Craon

    No one would ever participate in an experiment of injecting HIV infected blood into somebody, because their liability insurance would not cover them, and in any case it would be contrary to medical ethics.

    However if RFK Jr were to offer himself up as an experimental subject, I would follow the outcomes with interest and he would probably get the mainstream press coverage that he seeks.

  326. SBaker says:
    @SBaker

    I just read my post that has a glaring mistake. PCR does NOT identify viable agents.

  327. @Polymath

    No, you are right.

    HIV, like hepatitis B and hepatitis C is a bloodborne pathogen.

    In healthcare professions this is considered to be settled science, and not something up for debate in the lunchroom!

    All healthcare personnel all over the world have to undergo training in bloodborne pathogens.

    Every patient is treated as if they are HIV positive. This is called universal precautions.

    Transmission of HIV on the job to health care givers is incredibly rare, because these precautions are effective.

    A lot of the fallacious arguments about transmission of HIV are along the lines of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

    For example many homosexuals apparently take nitrites because this relaxes the anal sphincter and makes buggery easier. But it is the buggery that transmits the AIDS through semen, not the nitrites.

  328. @Emslander

    Ron in his podcast says he believes that with a million-plus RFK books sold, as we go along, enough minions in the press and government will not want to be caught on the losing side once the snowball starts rolling down the hill. There has to be reached first, a critical mass who can no longer ignore the calamity. Once it breaks out, Fauci will be retired, disappeared, difficult to reach. No one in history was more corrupt and incompetent.

    • Agree: Emslander
  329. SBaker says:
    @W

    As far as science, I drive a fairly sophisticated vehicle and use a computer, both of which are based on science, if you believe in principles of thermodynamics and electromagnetics. Neither are infallible.
    Ted Kaczynski gave fair warning.

  330. @Mr. Anon

    What if he had developed cancer that was completely unrelated? Lots of people get cancer, even people who are not HIV+. That would queer the whole demonstration.

    Well okay, but if you want to take this line, then you would have to regard his “offer” as nothing but a marketing stunt, since, as you say, it would be incapable of proving anything. You can’t have it both ways. It can’t be legitimate proof if it works, but illegitimate if it fails.

    Anyway, it wouldn’t matter. Even if he lived to be 120, the media would just ignore him.

    You don’t know that. I’d be the first to agree that the MSM is FOS, and extremely untrustworthy, but it’s not as if everything of import goes unreported. I don’t see anything in the HIV controversy that would automatically incline the MSM to lean one way or the other.

    And even if they did ignore, the result (of deliberate infection) would still matter to people like me, who doubt Duesberg and co.

    I’m not arguing that Duesberg is right. I don’t know that he is. I am arguing that he never got a fair hearing for his views. And not just his views, there actually are a lot of dissenters from the official line of the medical establishment. As a denizen of this site, you must realize that a lot of things you believe, and likely believe with good reason, are deemed to be wrong by society and its official arbiters.

    I don’t KNOW that he’s wrong or right either. It would be silly to expect someone like me, with zero expertise in this area, to be able make such a categorical determination. But from what I have read, I actually think his views have had a fair hearing, and from what I could make out from the debates I have read, his views are rightly rejected.

    If we compare the HIV controversy with the race/IQ controversy, I think it’s clear that they differ enormously in sociopolitical weight. Whether HIV theory is right or wrong hardly has any bearing at all on society. The established theory could be overturned tomorrow and society would scarcely bat an eyelid. Socially, it would matter about as much as ether being disproved. Obviously the same cannot be said of race/IQ.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  331. @PDXLibertarian

    Drug use, homosexuality, malnutrition have been around for a long time yet HIV/AIDS was only noticed in the 1980s.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • Replies: @Hunter
  332. cohen says:

    First there was Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, VICP, for any damages resulting from vaccine or medicine.

    https://www.justice.gov/civil/vicp

    Naturally, naturally Dr. Mengele Jr. Mini Dr. M and his cohorts fought for exemption for Covid vaccines and won under the disguise of emergency.

    An alternative program CICP or Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10584

    https://www.hrsa.gov/cicp/

    Worth sharing the information

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  333. ivan says:
    @Commentator Mike

    The homosexuals are sterile. Yet they need an endless stream of younger and good-looking initiates. Hardly anyone likes to be close to aged transsexuals. Unlike in relationships between men and women, the age factor, and consequent “beauty” factor plays a much larger role among the homosexuals. That is why one sees them now preaching to children.

    Frankly I don’t see how sexual mores can be maintained except by social or religious taboos of the kind given in Leviticus. Reason and good sense, are powerless before unbridled lust.

    • Agree: Emslander
  334. @Ed L.

    If anyone wants background on Aids inc scam visit NoMoreFakeNews with Jon Rappoport to find a wealth of discovery going back years, the precursor to c19. Bill

  335. @Flying Dutchman

    This. There is no such thing as an impartial observer of such a question. The issue has been framed by the issue-framers such that you have to pick a side. The Duesberg offer is a moot point because no conditions of such an event would ever be agreeable to both sides. Same with the Randi challenge.

    The vast majority of people on both sides in such cases are [expletive deleted]. It’s enough to make a great argument for that clown Sapolsky’s claim that there is no such thing as free will.

    I recently discovered the prevalence of youtube transcripts enabling me to read the arguments of people who I cannot stand to watch, like Sapolsky and Huberman. The funniest thing I saw this week is in a transcript of Huberman’s interview of Sapolsky. Sapolsky made a tangential remark on the occasion of somebody hypothetically complimenting someone else on their haircut. It was perhaps the single greatest set up in the history of internet interviews but Huberman blew it. He did not follow up ask Sapolsky “by the way when was the last time somebody complimented you on a haircut?” : )

  336. @Commentator Mike

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100730083257/http://user.cyberlink.ch/~koenig/sunrise/xi.htm

    This is documentation presented by an ex-OTO guy who many non-ex-OTO’s claim has an axe to grind and is making it up but the documentation could be described as reams.

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • LOL: Emslander
  337. Hunter says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Poppers were part of club culture from the mid-1970s disco scene and returned to popularity in the 1980s and 1990s rave scene

    Although amyl nitrite is known for its practical therapeutic applications, the first documented case of recreational use was in 1964.[10][11] The poppers “craze” began in the early 1970s in the Gay male community in gay bars, discothèques and bathhouses,[12] marking its prominent presence in gay culture.[13] It was packaged and sold pharmaceutically in fragile glass ampoules wrapped in cloth sleeves which, when crushed or “popped” in the fingers, released the amyl nitrite for inhalation, hence the colloquialism poppers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppers

    • Replies: @SBaker
  338. Reggie says:
    @silviosilver

    When someone uses pejorative attack words like “denialist” it’s your first clue that they are propagandists. Wikipedia has a section titled “Hiv-Aids Denialists” and that’s one of many indications that Wikipedia is a propaganda outlet.

    As far as the various offers to inject themselves with HIV that were made by the critics of the Hiv -Aids hypothesis, I think, if I remember correctly, that, given the mad-dog frothing hatred displayed by the Hiv-Aids establishment toward anyone who threatened their gravy train of lavish government funding and luxurious fully paid attendances at Aids conferences held in exotic places with beautiful beaches, the critics did not trust whoever would prepare the syringe and feared that they might put some kind of slow acting poison in it.

    A very valid concern since certain three letter covert action agencies were very involved in the Hiv-Aids fraud just as they are very involved in the Covid fraud, and have murdered high profile dissidents to sabotage their cause, most recently probably Kary Mullis, by making them get sick and die.

    Hiv/Aids has had a huge paid troll army for decades that zero in en masse on any website that attempts to tell the other side of the story and that’s why we’re seeing so many of them on this thread.

    By the way, although Duesberg was right about the real causes of Aids, other scientists have challenged his view that the virus exists but is harmless, claiming there’s no evidence it exists at all, most notably the Perth Group of Australia (when last I checked a few years ago, they had a website, theperthgroup or perthgroup or something similar, which archives their papers. Stefan Lanka, too, argues the same thing. And take a look at Anthony Brink’s superb books about the Poisonous Aids medicines.

    Anyway it’s good to see that Ron Unz is seeing the light about our fraudulent western medical establishment.

    • Agree: Hunter
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  339. Emslander says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    As with most of our vaunted medical professionals, you obviously only read your own writing.

    Why would RFK, Jr. want to prove anything about HIV? He agrees that it is the primary cause of AIDS.

    Why don’t you take a round of AZT? We’d all want to know the follow-up on that!

  340. @Jonathan Mason

    No one would ever participate in an experiment of injecting HIV infected blood into somebody, because their liability insurance would not cover them, and in any case it would be contrary to medical ethics.

    As for the vastly more radical experiment of injecting untested experimental gene-altering, direct Covid-vector agents into the general population with special emphasis on children, pregnant women and the elderly (three groups scrupulously excluded from the threadbare fake trials the manufacturers did run), well of course governments fixed all their legal liability problems for them ahead of time, correct?

    Of course we see where this leaves your ridiculous claim that there’s any such thing as “medical ethics” among the entire Mengele-medical and health care establishment.

  341. Now that Ron has read RFK Jr’s book (and I have not yet got to the AIDS part) does he repudiate his earlier claims that the Santa Clara County’s actions around lock-downs etc saved lives?

    He seemed much enamored of the mask masquerade and other worthless actions.

    Given the 40 or so papers that have come out showing that serum vitamin D levels are negatively correlated with Covid-19 hospitalization and mortality it seems to me a more rational action would have been to recommend that people take vitamin D supplements. They could have purchased supplements and shipped them to everyone (even the fucking illegal aliens) at lower cost than the subsequent deaths. Perhaps conflict of interest got in the way.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  342. Kali says:
    @Ron Unz

    Dear Mr Unz,

    I was just scroling my way through the comment thread thinking to myself, I really must leave a message for Ron saying “Now look what you’ve done!”.

    I’m pleased to see you paying attention too. I do hope, like me, you note the preponderance of the “anal AIDS debate”, if you will, at the expense of the much more URGENTly needed spotlight on the insane rush to jabb everyone, even including the children.

    I trust you recognise that the whole purpose of the book under discussion is to draw attention to the nefarious actors driving this current ongoing insanity, to inject children, already psychologically terrorised, with an untested, unsafe, “Gene-Editing Software Patch”, which is essencially what the jabs contain really, amongst other things.

    RFKjr’s organisation is called “Children’s Health Defense” after all. I think it’s fair to assume he wants our attention to be focused on the children right now.

    So, back to the comment I initially intended to make: Now look what you’ve done (again) Mr Unz! Distraction. Unhelpful noise.

    (Excellent comment, by the way! Really.)

    All the best,
    Kali.

  343. Kali says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Don’t play DATA and MENTAL gymnastics with your own health and mortality.

    With the best will in the world, as they say, did you seriously just suggest that people using this website are too stupid to evaluate the data for themselves?

    “Astute Observor”? Oh dear.

    To be a man (or woman), grow up, and face your mortality! It is a stone cold fact that one day you will die. Don’t you think it’s about time you got used to the idea?

    Maybe you could take some time away from commenting and take s look at yourself…?

    With appologies for such harsh words above. If you’re not cut out to be a man, and choose to subject yourself to the authority of the state – and its stake-holder directors – then I can only wish you “bon voyage”.

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Poco
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  344. anon[307] • Disclaimer says:

    why was my comment on the day not posted?

    i read the whole thing and never did it address the 1995-1996 EVENT.

    ron cites so many sources from BEFORE the EVENT.

    the EVENT confirmed the hiv hypothesis. (did it?)

    statistically and anecdotally…and anecdote IS the singular of data.

    skeletons covered in ks lesions got better and better. they got out of bed. they’re alive TODAY…or so i have heard.

    what happened?

    HAART happened.

    or did “safe sex happen”? or did sobriety happen?

  345. Sisifo says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Throwing a dice, you have 1 in 6 chances to get the number 1. So, following your reasoning, throwing that dice 6 times you have 6 in 6 chances to get a 1.

    But since the same applies for number 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6, your reasoning is that throwing a dice 6 times you have 6 in 6 chances to get 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6.

    Why aren’t you tring this theory playing crap at a casino? Or any other game of chance at any casino, for all it matters.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @silviosilver
  346. Mr. Anon says:
    @silviosilver

    Well okay, but if you want to take this line, then you would have to regard his “offer” as nothing but a marketing stunt, since, as you say, it would be incapable of proving anything. You can’t have it both ways. It can’t be legitimate proof if it works, but illegitimate if it fails.

    I don’t take his offer to be proof of his being correct (and I have never said so here – others have, but not me). I think it was more an offhand comment. In any event, you are right, a claim like that proves nothing. The strength of ones belief is not an indicator of the correctness of that belief.

    You don’t know that. I’d be the first to agree that the MSM is FOS, and extremely untrustworthy, but it’s not as if everything of import goes unreported.

    “Know that”? No. I don’t know that anymore than you “know” the obverse. I believe that it is true, however. It’s very easy for the establishment to effectively make people and things go away by simply ignoring them. They do it all the time. How about the disparity in crime rates by race? Or in IQ scores by race? These are contingent facts of reality born out by very good statistics, often collated and kept by what are considered to be authoritative sources (Academia, the FBI, the ETS, etc.). Yet the MSM simply never mentions them. Even FOX News never mentions them. They may as well not exist.

    I don’t see anything in the HIV controversy that would automatically incline the MSM to lean one way or the other.

    How about money, for starters? The pharmaceutical industry is a large source of advertising revenue for the media – about 5.2% of TV ad revenue in 2015 for example. Now that doesn’t sound like a lot in the big picture. But against that 5.2% from Big Pharma, how much does TV get from the Unz Review? There is no “Big Contrarian” or “Big Sceptic” lobby.

    Then also you have to figure in interlocking corporate board membership and interlocking ownership. A lot of people who sit on the boards of media companies also sit on the boards of pharma companies. A lot of big investors, both private and institutional, own stakes in both sectors. And there is a considerable synergy there, ever since the airwaves were opened up to prescription drug advertising. Pharma generates ad revenue for the media. The media generates business for pharma (and not just through advertising).

    And even if they did ignore, the result (of deliberate infection) would still matter to people like me, who doubt Duesberg and co.

    How many ad-buys have you dropped on CNN? You don’t matter. I don’t matter. People like us don’t matter. The media isn’t talking to us. The very fact that you seek out information on a site like Unz means you are not their target demographic. You and I and all of us here are part of that small minority of filthy reprobates whom they seek to marginalize by simply ignoring us. For now, at least. Perhaps there will come a day when ignoring us is not enough and we have to be actively crushed.

    I don’t KNOW that he’s wrong or right either. It would be silly to expect someone like me, with zero expertise in this area, to be able make such a categorical determination. But from what I have read, I actually think his views have had a fair hearing, and from what I could make out from the debates I have read, his views are rightly rejected.

    I thought the same thing. Hell, I may still think the same thing. I first heard Duesberg speak in 1990 on Tony Brown’s Journal on PBS. I found him to be very persuasive, and thought it was an interesting idea. But then, I never heard much more about it. I never saw it mentioned in any of the publications that I (at least occasionally) read at the time such as US News and World Report, The New Yorker, Atlantic, etc., so I assumed he was just wrong and that was that. Of course there was no World Wide Web then. If there had been, if his ideas had been able to travel more widely, then………….well, maybe things would be different. In any event, I have massively revised my estimation of the medical and public-health establishment since then, largely because of the whole COVID thing, but also for other reasons. So now the idea that Duesberg is right does not seem so crazy to me anymore.

    Just in the last seven or eight years, we have witnessed the ascendency of the “Trans” movement. Trannies used to be viewed as lunatics or pathetic deviants. Now they have official protection for their delusions and even societal confirmation. The government is on their side. Big media is on their side. Academia is on their side. If you simply state a plain fact – that a dude who claims to be a woman is not a woman, but is still a dude – now, YOU are the crazy one, the “trans-phobe”. YOU are the deviant. Think about that. Think about what that implies. Medical journals are now starting to use terms like “birthing people”, “lactating people”, “persons with vaginas”, etc.

    You still trust those medical experts?

    If we compare the HIV controversy with the race/IQ controversy, I think it’s clear that they differ enormously in sociopolitical weight. Whether HIV theory is right or wrong hardly has any bearing at all on society. The established theory could be overturned tomorrow and society would scarcely bat an eyelid. Socially, it would matter about as much as ether being disproved. Obviously the same cannot be said of race/IQ.

    This is not true. Not now. Maybe it would have been in 1990. But now, if it were shown that the medical / public-health establishment was as wrong as Duesberg and others claim, persistently wrong for 40 years, after the expenditure of billions of dollars and the (needless) deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of people, it would be a massive shock to our system. It would call into question the entire COVID orthodoxy as well. It might be to our system what Chernobyl was to the Soviet system. The thing that finally laid bare the emptiness, incompetence and untrustworthiness of the regime.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  347. Mr. Anon says:
    @cohen

    An alternative program CICP or Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program

    Worth noting: the CICP applies to any pandemic countermeasure – including treatments, therapeutics, preventatives etc.

    So if people suffer harms from ventilators, Remdesivir, masks, COVID vaccines – any of it – they are legally SOL. They will have no recourse through the normal court system.

  348. Mr. Anon says:
    @Sisifo

    You don’t understand statistics. And I can’t explain it to you over the internet.

  349. @Reggie

    When someone uses pejorative attack words like “denialist” it’s your first clue that they are propagandists.

    Well, as someone who has been on the receiving end of the epithet ‘denialist,’ I admit it’s fun being able to hurl it at other people. 🙂

    the critics did not trust whoever would prepare the syringe and feared that they might put some kind of slow acting poison in it.

    Lol, an original, if desperate, excuse. The denialists themselves are scientists aren’t they? Couldn’t they examine whatever substance was going to be injected to make sure it’s HIV and not something else? Come on dude.

    Hiv/Aids has had a huge paid troll army for decades

    Now you tell me. Got a link? I don’t wanna waste my time doing this for free when I could be getting paid for it.

    claiming there’s no evidence it exists at all, most notably the Perth Group of Australia

    Who are apparently the least qualified kooks in the entire denialist camp. A judge’s remarks on Perth Group members Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and Valender Turner

    Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos has no formal qualifications in medicine, biology, virology, immunology, epidemiology or any other medical disciplines. She has never treated or been directly involved in clinical trials of any kind relating to any disease. Her duties at the Royal Perth Hospital are to test people for sensitivity to ultraviolet radiation. Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos claims that she conducts research in the area of HIV/AIDS in her private time. It became clear that, when she spoke about research, she meant reading various medical papers about the research of others. Her experience with the HIV virus and with AIDS is limited to reading and critiquing the work of researchers involved in various studies. She purports to have expertise to speak on the subject of virology, epidemiology, electron microscopy, biology and immunology. She has no practical experience in any of these areas. She has no formal qualifications in these disciplines. The evidence given by Ms Papadopulos-Eleopulos about the Perth group demonstrates that she is promoting a cause. She is not independent. She is motivated to create a debate about her theory. The Perth Group will use whatever means available to promote that debate, including encouragement of persons such as the applicant, to promote their theories in courts of law.

    Dr Turner’s knowledge of the subject matter is limited to reading. He has no formal qualifications to give expert opinions about the virus. He has no practical experience in the treatment of viral diseases. He has no practical experience in the disciplines of virology, immunology or epidemiology. His opinions are based on reading scientific literature, studying of scientific literature, and spending a considerable amount of time thinking. I conclude that Dr Turner is not qualified to advance expert opinion about virus isolation, antibody tests, viral load tests, or sexual transmission of the virus. His knowledge of these subjects is limited to having read a number of publications. He relies entirely on his interpretation of various studies in the specialised disciplines of virology, epidemiology, microbiology, immunology, pathology or infectious diseases, in none of which he has qualifications beyond his medical degree. He has no practical experience, and has performed no research which has been published.

    Anyway it’s good to see that Ron Unz is seeing the light about our fraudulent western medical establishment.

    What about the Chinese medical establishment? What do they make of the HIV-AIDS theory? Or are they just subservient toadies of the west?

  350. @Sisifo

    So, following your reasoning, throwing that dice 6 times you have 6 in 6 chances to get a 1.

    No, on average it would take 6 rolls to roll any given number. But that’s probabilistic, not deterministic. You could roll that number on your first attempt, or you could potentially roll a hundred or even a thousand times and not roll that given number.

    But the more rolls you make, the more certain it is that you will roll that given number.

    The more cigarettes you smoke, the more likely you will contract a cigarette-related disease.

    The more unprotected sex you have with infected partners, the more likely you will get HIV.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @saggy
  351. @silviosilver

    Now you tell me. Got a link? I don’t wanna waste my time doing this for free when I could be getting paid for it.

    Yes please, I am getting tired of donating free copy to the Unz review and would also like to be paid. Where can I sign up?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  352. If anyone had thought Lysenkos cannot arise in the West, they are very mistaken. Science is still about who said it than what was said.

  353. @Peripatetic Commenter

    Given the 40 or so papers that have come out showing that serum vitamin D levels are negatively correlated with Covid-19 hospitalization and mortality it seems to me a more rational action would have been to recommend that people take vitamin D supplements.

    But isn’t that already done? The most at risk people for Covid-19 are the elderly, people who are Medicare patients, and blood tests that include Vitamin D levels can be ordered under Medicare if the physician believes the patient is at risk of low Vitamin D levels,, and Vitamin D is routinely prescribed and is in fact available over-the-counter, even in the US.

    Of course Vitamin D is associated with exposure to sunlight with ultraviolet rays acting on subdermal calciferol, and the people most likely to be deprived of sunlight are the chronically sick, infirm, bedbound Medicare and Medicaid patients who are most at risk from Covid-19.

    This group may often have Vitamin D deficiency even when they are taking oral supplements, because it is known that advanced age the ability to absorb Vitamin D deteriorates.

    Although certain staple foods like milk, vegetable-based milk substitutes, orange juice, breakfast cereals, and baby formula are often fortified with Vitamin D in the US, again the ability of the body to process Vitamin D deteriorates in the elderly. Vitamin D in food is reduced by cooking, so it is usually added to items that are consumed cold.

    The ability to synthesize Vitamin D is also reduced in patients who have liver and/or kidney disease or malfunction, (such as alcoholics and diabetics), so these persons are likely to be at greater risk of death from Covid-19 if they don’t have the protection against inflammation that Vitamin D provides.

    Another group that often suffers from low Vitamin D are dark-skinned people, some of whom belong to ethnic groups that are poorly served medically in the US.

    Vitamin D deficiency also contributes for fragile bones, another factor that is often associated with death in the very elderly, for example from falls caused by spontaneous fracture of fragile bones.

    So, yeah, I would expect there to be a positive correlation between low Vitamin D levels and death from Covid-19, given that the population most likely to die is the very elderly and infirm, alcoholics with liver disease, diabetics, and the obese (often DM type II,) but it might be much harder than you think to proactively address the issue in those at-risk populations.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Flying Dutchman
  354. Mr. Anon says:
    @silviosilver

    What about the Chinese medical establishment? What do they make of the HIV-AIDS theory? Or are they just subservient toadies of the west?

    That’s a good question. If nothing is very different in China than in the US and other western countries that could indicate that the establishment HIV/AIDS narrative is substantially true. Or it could indicate that China has just followed the lead of western countries without thinking about it very much.

    Many people think that if the Chinese are doing something, then it must be for a good reason, because the Chinese are smart. Then again, the Chinese are responding to the latest COVID wave in Xi’an by trying to sterilize the air:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3161133/chinas-covid-19-surge-continues-150-new-cases-xian-epicentre

    “Roads, buildings and even the air in open spaces were disinfected on Sunday as part of China’s battle to bring a Covid-19 outbreak under control in the northwestern city of Xian.”

    • Replies: @Flying Dutchman
  355. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Yes please, I am getting tired of donating free copy to the Unz review………..

    You’re not alone. We’re tired of the free copy you donate too.

    • Agree: Random Anonymous, W
  356. saggy says: • Website
    @silviosilver

    The probability that you’ll not get it the first time is 199/200
    The ……………………………………………. on the first or 2nd time is (199/200)*(199/200)


    The prob. that you’ll not get it after 200 times is (199/200)^200
    The prob. that you’ll get it on at least one of those go is 1 – (199/200)^200 = .6330

    • Replies: @Random Anonymous
  357. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Wow, Ron! It is kind of breathtaking to see a highly intelligent man loving conspiracies theories to the point of not being able to think logically.

    A few pertinent facts:

    1. AIDS has been experimentally induced in monkeys by an SIV virus, a very close relative of HIV (a simple genetic analysis unequivocally shows that HIV arose from SIV endemic in African monkeys). Very simple: You infect a monkey with SIV, you observe it infecting T-cells and, if you just wait, you invariably observe the monkey (Rhesus macaques, the kind not adapted to African virus) develop AIDS – which is paralleled by a plummeting in T-cells counts. Heck, you can even get a SHIV virus (an artificial chimera between SIV and HIV that does not infect humans) and observe exactly the same.

    2. AIDS has been functionally cured by drugs that inhibit HIV replication: People or monkeys start developing AIDS, are given anti-retroviral drugs that specifically target HIV/SIV, and after a few months no longer have AIDS for as long as they get the drugs.

    3. People with the mutation in HIV receptor protein (delat32 in CD4 protein) cannot be naturally infected with HIV. They also, incidentally, don’t get the kind of AIDS that is suppressed by anti-retroviral drugs.

    How is that all of these together not a sufficient evidence for causality?

  358. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    But isn’t that already done?

    No, it wasn’t. Anthony Fauci did not use his bully pullpit to tell people “Make sure you’re getting enough Vitamin D.” And not just old people, but younger people too. And especially black people, who tend to be Vitamin D deficient. I don’t remember him or any other public health wallah telling people to get enough Vitamin D or C or Zinc. Or to lose some weight.

    • Agree: Mehen
    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Jonathan Mason
  359. saggy says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    How is that all of these together not a sufficient evidence for causality?

    Unz could not be expected to know the evidence for causality, so not knowing it doesn’t demonstrate that he cannot think logically. That was not his error, it goes beyond that. Now, however, his response or non-response to your post will be telling.

    His error was to argue with no knowledge of the subject and no evidence whatever that the entire world-wide medical establishment had for some nefarious reason ignored Duesberg’s Hypothesis and created a hoax treatment for an illness that didn’t exist, i.e. HIV infection, and that they had been diagnosing and treating this imaginary illness for 30(?) years and faking the good results. That’s really slightly crazy.

  360. Anon[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Raoult can be very funny.

    I’m afraid not. That is his YouTube channel. IHU Marseille puts a new video with Raoult every Tuesday, plus other topics. You can find more info on the website including his bitherapy protocol (600 mg HCQ per day + 500 mg Azit, plus zinc and heparin if applicable) and how to assess patients. The hospital has treated 26,000+ ambulatory patients, 3,500 hospitalized, and administered 14,000 vaccines as per French law. Raoult says the mortality rate is 1 in 1000. Here’s the website:
    https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/covid-19/

    There’s some info in English there, also in the YouTube channel when they do powerpoints (often in English). He has videos with Ioannidis and Harvey Risch In English too.

    If there is a particular topic or issue that interests you, I can do a quick translation. This is a semi-transcript of one of his early 2021 videos, he has not changed his mind in anything substantive:

    [MORE]

    @ Didier Raoult

    1)He does not have a binary thinking on vaccine (always good or always bad).
    2)He will apply French law. He will not do media public vaccination or say what he chose to do.
    3)Due to time pressure, the samples to evaluate the security or efficacity of the vaccine have not been obtained. (2:40)
    4)Whether people in the long term, or over millions of individuals can have unforeseeable effects cannot be scientically said today.
    5)In the short term, (few months), and a few thousand of individuals, it is not dangerous. That we know.
    Thus, the risk/benefit for people very exposed to Covid or very in danger of developing a bad case, can be worth it.
    6)What are the doubts? For the new technology (mRNA) and adenovirus. If person is aged or immunocompromised it’s fine. We can’t say that for people who will keep the vaccine for decades. Live attenuated vaccines are thought to be safe. However, we have to be aware that more poliomyelitis strains are due to vaccination than to nature. Because vaccination continued where polio had already been eradicated and that created strains.Vaccination strategies have to be re-evaluated in time. So, live-attenuated virus vaccines that can be safely omitted in a given population, should be. Again, inactivated virus vaccines are thought safe.
    Once we have a vaccine, we look at its safety: First, there could be small reactions (fever, local pain). But even with saline solution, you can get a “nocebo effect”. So for a vaccine it’s important to have a placebo group, to know that it is not a vaccine reaction but a reaction to the aggression of any injection. Second, there are the coincidences. When you vaccinate 30 million people, in the next 30 months, many things can occur: car accidents, esclerosis en plaque, etc. Vaccination of papilloma and esclerosis in plaques can happen at the same time, but not related (12:00). For Covid19, we have a lot of observation going on, we should know if accidents occur.
    Second factor we look at is efficacity. Some like Pfizer have 90%. The AZ around 70%, probably less for target populations (old, infirm).That’s so in the studies. In real life then people will still get infected with Covid. Vaccines are instrument to fight epidemics, diminish number of cases.
    7)For the vaccines based on the virus, it generates a response to the protein (spike).(min16:00). An unresolved question is whether the virus will generate mutations in that zone. Another is whether the Covid mutations that already exist will still be sensitive to that spike. But we will know soon because England has 70% of its variants with changes in the Spike. We will see what infections happen there.
    If infections happen, it will mean we have to amplify the strains or the coding sequences like we do for the grippe. You need to vaccinate against the flu every year.
    Another point that we don’t know is the length of the immunity. To begin with natural immunity is already medium, people get sick again in three months. We’ll see.
    8)

    [MORE]
    I have given my point of view as doctor, as scientist and now as public servant. Order of vaccination in France and Europe: first, carers in old-age residences, the all older than 75, then medical staff of more than 65, then all older than 65, etc

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  361. @Kali

    Please kindly go die in a ditch somewhere that it wouldn’t be a bother to everyone else.

    This is a health issue, don’t turn it into a political issue like you are doing, like fucking blasio and his ilk is doing.

    • LOL: Kali
    • Replies: @Mehen
    , @Kali
  362. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    AIDS has been experimentally induced in monkeys by an SIV virus, a very close relative of HIV (a simple genetic analysis unequivocally shows that HIV arose from SIV endemic in African monkeys). Very simple: You infect a monkey with SIV, you observe it infecting T-cells and, if you just wait, you invariably observe the monkey (Rhesus macaques, the kind not adapted to African virus) develop AIDS – which is paralleled by a plummeting in T-cells counts.

    I thought that a plummeting T-cell count was the effective definition of AIDS. Although perhaps in the studies you refer to the monkeys developed actual sickness.

    Interestingly, there appears to have been no observation of naturally occurring AIDS-like illness in other primates until 2009, when it was seen in chimpanzees at the Gombe National Park in Tanzania.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/news.2009.711

    Without any details about their study, it’s hard to assess their conclusions.

    However, it is interesting that this survey conducted by a team of primatologists of chimpanzees at the same park, published just one year before in 2008, and covering 47 years worth of data didn’t mention anything like AIDS. If it had been seen, you would think that the authors would have said: “you know, some of these chimps seem to have something that looks like AIDS.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18506732/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  363. Mr. Anon says:
    @saggy

    Yeah, the medical establishment never gets anything wrong.

    https://www.trtworld.com/life/7-times-the-medical-establishment-got-it-wrong-167992

    The promotion of carbohydrate intake over dietary fat was a huge one, resulting in an explosion of obesity and diabetes in the US and, increasingly, around the World.

    • Thanks: Marcion
    • Replies: @silviosilver
  364. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I have a question. Antivirals stop HIV from reproducing, and supposedly the immune system recovers and you no longer have AIDS. However, why can’t you cure HIV with antivirals? HIV, in theory, should be dead when it stops reproducing, and the body should destroy the dead virus remnants through normal immune processes. Yet the patients have to continue to take medications. Why?

    When you take an anti-viral for other viruses, the virus dies when it can’t reproduce. It can’t keep itself alive and functional indefinitely once it can’t reproduce.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  365. Anon[222] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polymath

    The fundamental cause may simply be the amount of viral load. It’s possible that HIV, in small amounts, is benign. But practically any virus, even benign ones, are serious trouble of the viral load is large enough.

    Look at it as if it’s a fight between two armies. If someone coughs in your face, and you get hit with 100 virus guys, and you have 1000 immune guys to attack them, your immune system will win. But if you get 1,000,000 virus guys injected into your bloodstream, your 1000 immune guys will be completely overwhelmed, especially since the virus army made it right past the natural barriers of skin and mucous membranes. The fortress has been breached and the enemy has rushed in like an unstoppable river. Your immune system has to gear up for a major war, but it’s already too late and the body’s cells are being damaged. If your immune system itself is being damaged by a massive virus attack, then your immune system can’t mount a proper defense and gear up for war.

    Even a benign virus, in too large a viral load, can be deadly.

    People who got blood transfusions in the 1980s who caught AIDS from it? Nobody has done a measurement of the HIV viral load in that bag of donated blood. However, it’s very likely the sick person with AIDS who donated blood because he needed the money for drugs or alcohol. This person may have been sick enough that he had generated a very high viral load inside himself, which was injected right into an unsuspecting patient.

    • Agree: Mr. Anon
  366. Mehen says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Please don’t bother wasting your efforts on Jon Free-Mason.

    He is a retired public health administrator in his 70’s who still lives under the delusion our formerly august institutions are still run by men of integrity and goodwill.

    He may not realize those same institutions have now been overrun by the shekel-seeking termites who care little for human flourishing when such flourishing eats into their Penny-pinching bottom-line.

    On the other hand, perhaps (((Mason))) understands EXACTLY what is at stake for his Tribe.

  367. Mehen says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    This is a health issue, don’t turn it into a political issue like you are doing[…]

    Is not the “health vs. political” debate the very issue which has caused so much consternation here? Are you so stupid and brain dead that you can’t rationally engage your detractors and instead prefer to retreat into your cognitive biases?

    Oh, right. You mentioned you had gotten both jabs.

    Astute Observer? It is to laugh.

  368. @Jonathan Mason

    Vitamin D is associated with exposure to sunlight…the people most likely to be deprived of sunlight are the chronically sick, infirm, bedbound Medicare and Medicaid patients who are most at risk from Covid-19…

    So, yeah, I would expect there to be a positive correlation between low Vitamin D levels and death from Covid-19

    It certainly puts in perspective how one of very first commands blared by the government and media was to “Stay Indoors!!!”, and how here in NJ the governor issued his lawless edict to close the state parks for many weeks, a measure immediately copied by almost all the municipalities and NGOs.

    Even if I hadn’t already had decades of experience with all these criminals and therefore from day one recognized the Covid scam for what it was, the campaign to lock people indoors with no physical exercise or movement (anybody recall the media graphics depicting joggers as super-spreaders?), a regression to medieval prescriptions, would’ve been proof in itself that their agenda was radically against individual and public health.

    …but it might be much harder than you think to proactively address the issue in those at-risk populations.

    It seems to me the governments, corporations, NGOs and media have been very proactive in working to destroy public health, destroy the health of all individuals, and especially to carry out the mass euthanasia of at-risk populations by deliberately forcing Covid into care facilities while propagating the general campaign to discourage and where possible suppress all healthful practices and prophylactics while maximizing anxiety, fear and stress, all immune suppressors.

    Of course the injections comprise the keystone of this edifice, directly injuring and killing millions while cumulatively destroying the immune systems of hundreds of millions in order to bring on the imminent VAIDS pandemic.

    • Agree: Kali
  369. @Mr. Anon

    Then again, the Chinese are responding to the latest COVID wave in Xi’an by trying to sterilize the air:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3161133/chinas-covid-19-surge-continues-150-new-cases-xian-epicentre

    “Roads, buildings and even the air in open spaces were disinfected on Sunday as part of China’s battle to bring a Covid-19 outbreak under control in the northwestern city of Xian.”

    It was apparent from early on, when we saw how many of the newly minted cultists were such wingnuts as to wear face diapers outdoors, even in large open parks or while hiking in the woods, that even though they may claim to understand the concept of a pathogen, deep down they’d really atavistically regressed to medieval belief in the miasma, that the air itself was poisonous.

    Evidently the Chinese are taking this medievalism to the extreme of making it official policy, ironically by spraying actual poisons into the air.

    Meanwhile in many places the air is loaded with bona fide harmful and lethal pollutants, especially in many cities and in the region of factory farms, mining and oil/gas extraction sites etc. While in Asian cities many people have long worn face-masks against this actual particulate danger (unlike with viruses, the masks can make a difference against smog), here in America I don’t recall ever seeing a pedestrian walking along a busy street wearing a mask against all those very real exhaust fumes. People have always happily breathed those in. Not to mention cigarette smokers.

    But for a virus which presents little or no danger and may not exist at all? Face Diapers On!!!!

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  370. @saggy

    His error was to argue with no knowledge of the subject and no evidence whatever that the entire world-wide medical establishment had for some nefarious reason…created a hoax treatment for an illness that didn’t exist, i.e. HIV infection…and faking the good results. That’s really slightly crazy.

    Well, it’s a fact that they’ve been doing exactly this with “SARS-COV-2” and “Covid”.

    According to the establishment’s own numbers Covid is objectively a mild epidemic which is statistically dangerous only to a narrow demographic of the elderly who already are chronically ill and those who already are severely immuno-compromised.

    Given this fact, the world-wide terrorist propaganda onslaught and welter of lawless heavy-handed, often draconian interventions, culminating in the absolutist campaign to force literally all people to become guinea pigs in the global experimental deployment of a radical gene-altering, Covid-vectoring procedure, are all so over-the-top and vastly beyond any cause-and-effect relationship with the actual problem (that’s again going by the system’s own “Covid” numbers) as to comprise not just a hoax but by far the greatest hoax in all of history.

    Self-evidently this never was out of any honest mistake but on the contrary was fully premeditated and never had any but nefarious motives of power, profit, and cult fanaticism.

    When we comprehend this, it’s not at all crazy, on the contrary it’s straightforward rationalism, to look at the HIV-AIDS controversy in that light, as a case study in this kind of scam, perpetrated by the same Nuremburg-level criminals.

    • Agree: Kali
  371. @Mr. Anon

    I first heard Duesberg speak in 1990 on Tony Brown’s Journal on PBS. I found him to be very persuasive, and thought it was an interesting idea.

    I saw him, too, and my reaction to him was, if anything, more unqualified than yours. He appeared with Brown on three occasions that I recall, and as everything about AIDS had already begun to have a very fishy smell to me—not least because it was a very big deal in the homo-dominated performing arts establishment in which I had then been working for almost 25 years—I gave him my full attention.*

    It became clear after listening to Duesberg for only a matter of minutes that he was learned, very smart, clever, open to any inquiry or challenge, and interested in nothing so much as the truth. Everything he said and did reinforced the sense that I was in the presence of a genuinely admirable man, a man of unimpeachable integrity.** Thus he was, thus he is.
    ___________
    *Incidentally, as Robert Atkins and Gary Null had already been guests on Tony Brown’s program on at least one prior occasion apiece, I had marked Brown out as something other than the conventional TV darky.

    **I had precisely the same reaction to prior first exposures to Solzhenitsyn and Joseph Sobran; more recently, Carlo Maria Viganò and Knut Wittkowski triggered the same response. On the other hand, when in the eighties I first listened to Fauci reply to an interviewer, I knew I was hearing a deeply evil man.

  372. @Polymath

    1) is wrong; 2) is wrong; 3) is wrong in significant part—hence, wrong.

    I take it that by wrong, you simply mean “misinformed.” That is what I mean by “wrong” in the answers above.

    • Replies: @Polymath
  373. Mr. Anon says:
    @Flying Dutchman

    Evidently the Chinese are taking this medievalism to the extreme of making it official policy, ironically by spraying actual poisons into the air.

    Since this whole COVID thing started, I have been intrigued by all the people who say: “Well, the Chinese are doing it, so it must make sense.” The same Chinese who gave us the Tai-Ping rebellion (~30 million dead in a civil war one side of which was led by a guy who believed he was the kid brother of Jesus Christ), the Great Leap Forward (“Yield up your steel quota, citizen!”), and the Cultural Revolution.

    Not to mention cigarette smokers.

    People in Asia are way ahead of you:

  374. @Anon

    I thank you for your generous reply, most of all for taking the time and trouble to translate and summarize one of Raoult’s presentations. How very kind!

    Some of Raoult’s analyses are of real interest, but I admit to being a bit surprised at how little he seems to depart from conventional wisdom regarding vaccinations. For no apparent reason, he made me think of the FLCCC: the doctors in its ranks range from those who are cautiously positive about the vaccines to those who are inflexibly opposed (as am I).

    Happy New Year!

  375. Kali says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Please kindly go die in a ditch somewhere…

    This is a health issue, don’t turn it into a political issue …

    Ahhh, I see. You believe you’re double jabbed for the good of your health. And you wish me dead for the good of your cognitive malfunction. Nice.

    “Omicron” (aka “the sniffles”) was made for you my friend. It would be funny if your blind, unthinking adherence to the narritive wasn’t such a threat to all of our freedom.

    I wish you a speedy and complete recovery from the stupid you’ve been deliberately infected with. Failing that, I wish you a peaceful transition to the abject slavery your masters have in store for you.

    Now mask-up and do exactly as you’re told!

    Ttfn,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  376. @saggy

    His error was to argue with no knowledge of the subject and no evidence whatever that the entire world-wide medical establishment had for some nefarious reason ignored Duesberg’s Hypothesis and created a hoax treatment for an illness that didn’t exist, i.e. HIV infection, and that they had been diagnosing and treating this imaginary illness for 30(?) years and faking the good results. That’s really slightly crazy.

    It’s about as crazy as thinking that FDR, Marshall, and several hundred other high federal officials could have prevented the attack on Pearl Harbor in any of a dozen ways that didn’t involve revealing to the Japanese that US cryptographers had broken both of the most secure Japanese codes: those of the diplomatic service and the navy. But surely you would say that no one capable of logical thought would contend that FDR and his Jewish banker friends would have a nefarious reason to elbow their way into a conflict that would cause the otherwise needless death of more than 400,000 US soldiers, sailors, and Marines and the wounding of 670,000 more, right? Especially not when the average Americans whom Roosevelt loved so much were totally opposed to entering the war—am I right?

    Then there is the matter of incinerating more than 100,000 civilians in Tokyo in 1945. You have to be a conspiracy nut to call it a pointless incendiary raid when the intention was to get in some good practice for Iraq fifty years later, right? Nothing nefarious there! And since Gentile Germany had been so cowardly as to surrender before the two A-bombs were ready in time to create a nuclear winter in the most densely populated part of Europe, it was essential, am I right, to find the most densely Christian area of Japan and do to it what the Jews would happily do to the rest of us—even to a thrice-yearly Holocaust® Museum visitor like you?

    Fortunately, you’re no conspiracy nut, so you’ll take your jabs, wear your face diaper with a zippered opening when you eat, and carry a condom with you at all times, just in case your personal HIV radar detects a few cells floating somewhere within a one-mile radius.

    • Agree: ariadna
    • Thanks: Sisifo, W
  377. @Mr. Anon

    “I don’t remember him or any other public health wallah telling people to get enough Vitamin D or C or Zinc. Or to lose some weight.”

    Fauci is not your primary physician.

    The CDC guidelines for practitioners do address the relationship between poor outcomes and obesity.

    The recommendations are rather dry, but speak of adequate nutrition and opportunities for exercise.

    With 42% of the US population meeting the definition for clinical obesity, this is obviously a massive problem.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7010e4.htm

    I would totally agree that the entire population of the US needs to be put on a diet as a public health measure.

    Mandatory food rationing should do the trick, with a massive luxury tax on sugar, desserts, french fries, and all kinds of alcohol, combined with mandatory fat shaming at all supermarket checkouts.

    • Agree: SBaker
    • LOL: Biff
    • Troll: Random Anonymous
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  378. Alfred says:
    @Mr. Anon

    Why haven’t RT-PCR tests become the standard for HIV? They’re common enough now for COVID.

    Because they are supremely unreliable and easy to manipulate – which is precisely why they are being used for “Covid”. They give a positive result for any version of the flu – Covid and everything else. 🙂

  379. Alfred says:
    @Mr. Anon

    If a particular act has a 1 in 200 chance of a particular outcome, the chance of that outcome occurring approaches a 1 in 1 chance (i.e. certainty) if you do that act 200 times.

    The chance of not getting the outcome after 200 attempts is 0.995^200 = 0.367 (37%)

    The chance of getting this outcome after 200 attempts at least once is 1.000-0.367= 0.633 (63%)

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon, Sisifo
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  380. Hello Ron,

    Please allow me to address you directly. I´m aware you might not read this personally. Others may. So be it!

    Just wanted to breathe a public sight of relief as to the direction your article has taken and the U-turn you made in your assessment of AIDS and Covid. Good for you! It takes a great man and mind to shred your former mind-set and move on. Truth be told, I am a fan and reader of much of the content of your site and I have recommended your wit and smarts to many of my friends.

    I must say your stand on Covid, until this article, had pained and bothered me. How could such an intelligent man, notable thinker and analyst fall prey to the MSM narrative and not smell the proverbial rat in regards to this “pandemic”?

    Blessed by age (72) and because of courageous scientists, writers and analysts in the 90s, folks like Duesberg et al, my eyes were already opened decades ago to the likes of Fauci and their unbelievable manipulations of the collective public mind. Gutsy writers like Rolling Stone´s Rian Malan (in tandem with Duesberg and a handful of Nobel Laureates) had opened floodgates in my mind and when Covid came along, I recognized the playbook almost immediately.

    But how could Ron Unz, one of my favorite intellectuals and alternative thinkers, be in total ignorance of this calamity – probably the most evil conspiracy ever brought down on the human race? I must admit, for the most part I stayed away from your site since then. I already gave up on the Saker, but that had other reasons as well.

    So, I truly rejoiced when I read your article. Kudos! It takes a great man to revise a former mind set and set the record straight.

    • Thanks: PDXLibertarian
    • Replies: @NONnon
    , @Ron Unz
  381. Polymath says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Then you should explain. What is wrong with the data? Are you saying that the thousands of people who are said to have died of AIDS from blood transfusions (Arthur Ashe, Isaac Asimov, Ryan White, etc.) died of something else that was incorrectly diagnosed as AIDS? And that there are just as many such deaths now because blood supply screening didn’t do anything useful but they’re overlooked?

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
    , @Pierre de Craon
  382. Alfred says:

    what happened?

    They closed the bath houses. Promiscuity declined dramatically. Condoms and HIV testing caught on. Drug-use (poppers) declined …

    Singling out HAART is not serious IMHO.

    I knew a guy who was getting fucked 4-5 daily for years in London – one of the first people to catch this then mysterious disease. I don’t think that is going on in London today.

  383. Many drugs are being tried for repurposing, and apparently there is a trial going on in the United Kingdom for sildenafil, which is reporting some success in improving blood circulation to certain organs.

    The woman in the story reports recovering from an induced coma for Covid-19, when it looked as if she would die, and she says she owes it all to sildenafil.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17200254/mum-woke-coma-covid-viagra/

  384. NONnon says:
    @Casual Spectator

    Ron still hasn’t redeemed himself. He spent most of 2020 calling everyone “conspiracy crackpots” and “flu hoaxers.” He still uses these insults frequently and unironically. He’s still hung up on his bioweapon blowback theory. He hasn’t even commented on the vaxx passport agenda, which is the main reason for all of this.

    • Replies: @Casual Spectator
  385. “AIDS” is caused by a selenium deficiency, which can be brought on by the abuse of amyl nitrate, or may simply be the result of a dietary deficiency.

  386. Deguello says:

    Quests: are there people infect with the HIV virus who do not exhibit the symptoms of AIDS?

    • Replies: @letmepicyou
  387. @NONnon

    Oh my, if that was a bioweapon, it was designed by amateurs, as, obviously, the dead are lining the streets everywhere…

  388. Ron Unz says:
    @Casual Spectator

    Just wanted to breathe a public sight of relief as to the direction your article has taken and the U-turn you made in your assessment of AIDS and Covid. Good for you! It takes a great man and mind to shred your former mind-set and move on. Truth be told, I am a fan and reader of much of the content of your site and I have recommended your wit and smarts to many of my friends…But how could Ron Unz, one of my favorite intellectuals and alternative thinkers, be in total ignorance of this calamity…So, I truly rejoiced when I read your article. Kudos! It takes a great man to revise a former mind set and set the record straight.

    Thanks for the very kind words, but I have to admit my views on Covid itself really haven’t much changed. I explained my overall position in my (long and very favorable) review of the Kennedy book:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-vaxxing-anthony-fauci-and-aids/

    And I now very much better understand why so many people are extremely suspicious about the claims regarding Covid and the current vaccines, closing my review on this note:

    As an outside observer with no special expertise in these areas of medicine, I was impressed by much of the material that Kennedy marshaled in support of his unorthodox views on vaccines and Covid treatments, but found that the evidence he provided on HIV and AIDS was vastly more comprehensive and persuasive, while being backed by far more authoritative experts. But if as he argues, the truth about HIV and AIDS has been successfully suppressed for decades by the entire medical industry, we must necessarily become very suspicious about other medical claims, including those regarding Covid and vaccinations.

    I even wonder if this might not represent part of the hidden subtext of the bitter current battle over vaxxing and the almost paranoid reaction of so many opponents. Those who have challenged the official scientific dogma on AIDS have long since been driven out of the public square so that few who draw their information from the mainstream media are even aware of the dispute. But the sort of divergent theories presented by Kennedy have probably circulated for years within particular segments of the population, and these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. So they would now grow extremely suspicious when they learned that a low-mortality Covid virus was being treated by the widespread use of experimental new vaccines that had completely circumvented the usual testing process through a set of emergency waivers. After absorbing the remarkable contents of Kennedy’s important book, I think these are not unreasonable concerns to have.

    • Thanks: Marcion, Marcion
    • Replies: @Casual Spectator
  389. Ron Unz says:
    @Anonymous

    Wow, Ron! It is kind of breathtaking to see a highly intelligent man loving conspiracies theories to the point of not being able to think logically.

    A few pertinent facts:

    1. AIDS has been experimentally induced in monkeys by an SIV virus, a very close relative of HIV (a simple genetic analysis unequivocally shows that HIV arose from SIV endemic in African monkeys)…

    I don’t think that claim or any of your other objections are correct.

    At over 700 pages, Duesberg’s 1996 book was so intimidatingly long that I didn’t consider reading it, especially since the only used copies started at a ridiculous \$633 on Amazon. But he also posted a free PDF version on the Internet, and I discovered that about 40% of the length consisted of his academic journal articles and end notes, with the main body of the text being much shorter than the Kennedy book. So I took a look at the first chapter and found it so interesting that I read the entire thing, which contained a great deal of fascinating material, and I’d strongly recommend to anyone interested.

    Since the PDF is so enormous, for convenience I’ve broken it up by chapters:

    https://www.unz.com/book/peter_h_duesberg__inventing-the-aids-virus-2/

    As I mentioned in my article, the book was discussed in a 10,000 word NYRB review by the editor of The Lancet, and although he was a supporter of the orthodox HIV/AIDS consensus, he treated it quite respectfully, so I doubt it contains any obvious errors or blatant falsifications.

    Most of the points that you and other commenters on this thread are raising seem to be based upon the MSM versions of NIH propaganda by Fauci and his allies. If any of you read the book, you’ll find Duesberg completely addresses all of your objections. While I can’t guarantee that Duesberg is correct, I personally found his analysis very persuasive, and perhaps you might as well.

    Also, possibly partly prompted by my article, Celia Farber just posted on Substack her unpublished 2004 Harpers article on Duesberg:

    https://celiafarber.substack.com/p/the-passion-of-peter-duesberg

  390. Anastasia says:

    Very glad you are writing about Duesberg. Ron Unz is great

  391. SBaker says:
    @Hunter

    If you have ever been personally acquainted with an ER doc practicing near a community of male sodomites, they have some very funny and odd stories about objects that required retrieval from somewhere north of the anus–bottles, shower nozzles, small rodents, and sometimes other small male queers.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  392. @Deguello

    There is no “HIV virus” because “viruses” are just cellular exosomes that have been rebranded to sell gypsy vaccines.

  393. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “I don’t remember him or any other public health wallah telling people to get enough Vitamin D or C or Zinc. Or to lose some weight.”

    Fauci is not your primary physician.

    Yet he can tell me to get a vaccine without knowing s single thing about my own particular health situation.

    Your reply is ridiculously jejune. He is the primary government advisor on the pandemic and on responses to it.

    You would defend Fauci if he had advised people to sacrifice their firstborn children (Not that he isn’t).

  394. Mr. Anon says:
    @Alfred

    The chance of getting this outcome after 200 attempts at least once is 1.000-0.367= 0.633 (63%)

    63% is of the order of 100%. That’s why I said “approaches 1 in 1” – because I was too lazy to do the actual math.

    • LOL: Alfred, Sisifo
  395. Mr. Anon says:
    @Polymath

    Then you should explain. What is wrong with the data? Are you saying that the thousands of people who are said to have died of AIDS from blood transfusions (Arthur Ashe, Isaac Asimov, Ryan White, etc.) died of something else that was incorrectly diagnosed as AIDS? And that there are just as many such deaths now because blood supply screening didn’t do anything useful but they’re overlooked?

    Duesberg’s reply would be that they died from AZT. Once somebody was diagnosed with HIV, the standard recommended course of treatment was AZT, a chemotherapy drug. Chemo drugs are usually administered in short targeted rounds, followed by a long break during which the treatment results are evaluated. In cancer treatment, the old saying is that you hoped they killed the cancer before they killed the patient. My understanding (and I may be wrong) is that with AIDS, the patients were told to take the stuff continuously. They took it till they died, which most of them did.

    Because AZT caused anemia (by killing off new red-blood cells in the marrow), many people taking it had to get additional blood transfusions as well. Blood-transfusions themselves are very often immuno-suppressive.

    • Agree: Alfred
  396. Antiwar7 says:
    @Anonymous

    For the record, Duesberg says this about SIV in Chapter 6 of his book (which Duesberg and Unz have kindly made available online):

    The third virus model has been created only since the appear-
    ance of AIDS. Some animal retroviruses will cause” AIDS” when
    injected into hosts of the appropriate species. Simian immunode-
    ficiency virus (SIV), a monkey retrovirus, attracts most of the
    attention. But these animal diseases can be called “AIDS” only by
    stretching the definition to extremes. They do not include most of
    the human AIDS conditions such as Kaposi’s sarcoma or demen-
    tia. Rather, the animal symptoms usually resemble the flu: The
    animals become sick within days or not at all, without long latent
    periods; some animals recover by raising an immune response and
    never suffer a relapse; and those that die must be injected with
    large quantities of the virus while very young, before they have
    developed any immune system at all. In the wild, their cousins
    retain antibodies against SIV all their lives without ever becoming
    sick from the virus. These laboratory diseases are, in all respects,
    very traditional viral flu-like diseases, but HIV scientists rename
    them “AIDS.”48

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
  397. hooligan says:

    As a lay person who has travelled extensively in sub-Saharan Africa, I find the arguments for and against viruses beyond my comprehension. If HIV causes AIDS and no cure for the virus or disease has been found after 2o odd years and half a trillion bucks of global research, AIDS remains beyond the ability of all who have attempted to cure it. Well, it was half a trillion seven years ago in 2015.
    https://www.healthdata.org/news-release/first-long-term-study-finds-half-trillion-dollars-spent-hivaids
    The key argument put forward by Kennedy is that millions in Africa have died with an AIDS diagnosis in Africa BUT that millions could have been saved with better nutrition, sanitation and simple, basic healthcare. Miasmic approach v toxic injection approach – as preferred by Gates and Fauci.
    (Not to mention the “running on the spot” antics of Gallo in stealing ideas and claiming as his own).
    It is the tactics employed during the last 15 years that saw half a trillion wasted on fruitless HIV and AIDS hypotheses that Kennedy documents, that have now been employed in the COVID19 epidemic. The pharma companies falsifying clinical trials, the price gouging of vaccines targeted to the wrong demographic (that is, the healthy rather than the vulnerable) AND most importantly, the regulatory capture that destroys safeguards and ethics in the name of profit.
    So, that’s my take. It seems to me that the injections remain an experiment that has failed completely to achieve any desirable healthy outcome. The Pfizer clinical trials completed in December 2020 resulted in 4,000 extra adverse events and 6 more deaths (20-14) for the 22,000 a side injected v the placebo group. The FDA knew this. Now the FDA wants multiple decades to release what it took a few weeks to approve. Regulatory capture – the most evil corruption that wilfully kills and injures in the name of power and profit.
    https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/The-COVID-19-Inoculations-More-Harm-Than-Good-REV-Dec-16-2021.pdf
    That’s my two cents. Had half a trillion been spent on hygiene, nutrition and self help in Africa, there would be no AIDS “epidemic”. The same applies to the trillions spent in the US on NOT treating the vulnerable and instead, punishing the healthy – all in the name of corruption by evil health administrators and medical professionals “following orders” in true prison camp guard fashion.

    • Agree: Alfred
  398. SBaker says:

    It seems clear to me, that if half the country took a knee for St George, Dr. Unz can easily convince most respondents to accept his conspiracy theories–there is a conspiracy theory awaiting every truth. I never cease to be amazed at the gullibility of people.

  399. Mr. Anon says:

    It seems clear to me, that if half the country took a knee for St George, Dr. Unz can easily convince most respondents to accept his conspiracy theories–there is a conspiracy theory awaiting every truth. I never cease to be amazed at the gullibility of people.

    And yet, the establishment that promotes the reigning HIV/AIDS orthodoxy (or truth, depending) is the same establishment that mostly promoted the cult of St. George of Minneapolis.

    Make of that what you will.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  400. Marty M says:

    Dear Mr. Unz,

    As a young college student in the 1990s I read “Inventing The Aids Virus” by Peter Duesberg. I have a small case of his papers I have saved.

    You covered all the essential points of his book. I will add one point that you did not bring up that shows the weak foundations of the HIV Aids hypothesis. Duesberg points out that among male homosexuals, the ones who used amyl nitrite inhalers(also known as poppers) to facilitate intercourse had severe immune depression. One partner developed aids, not the other. The disease of aids in the homosexual community is one directional.

    Duesberg is great at probability and makes the case that the chance of HIV coming from sex is very unlikely.

    Whoever designed this SARS Cov 2 virus in the lab(Dr. Ralph Baric at UNC with assistance by the Chinese) inserted gene sequences from HIV into the beta corona virus. Dr. Montagnier has confirmed this.

    You will hear in the future of aids like syndrome among covid 19 sufferers. The medical media talking heads are going to say that Sars Cov 2 is finding fertile ground in HIV patients to mutate and that it has picked up gene sequences from HIV. Total bullshit, but anything goes nowadays.

    A story came out of Israel recently of a covid patient who was also infected with influenza. Hmmmm.

    More vaccines to come. The new drugs from Pfizer and Merck are similar to ones currently used to treat aids. Pfizer has a protease inhibitor, Merck has a nucleoside analog. You might see a SARS COV 2, HIV, Influenza vaccine in one shot. Fauci might try to claim he cured aids.

    Follow the money. These bioweapon labs in the United States and around the world have to be shut down. This story is much bigger than the corruption of the whore houses called the FDA, CDC, NIAID, big pharma and world governments. The defense industry is heavily involved in this, and Senator Paul’s lambasting of Fauci is just cover for the show to go on, undetected.

    I have to give credit to Dr. Paul Cottrell . He has a channel on Brighteon. He believes the department of defense is heavily involved in the creation and release of these bioweapons. Big pharma is charged with creating a terrible antidote. All of them are laughing their way to the bank.

    Excellent article, Mr. Unz, I hope you can shed more light on this utter darkness in future publications.

  401. I first saw Dr. Peter Duesberg reported in the pages of the Wall Street Journal in 1987. I read his book Inventing the AIDS Virus when it was published in the mid-90s. About the same time Karry B Mullis wrote Dancing Naked in the Mind Fields, which I read. I was privileged to be able to make small financial contributions in the early aughties towards the maintenance of Dr Duesberg’s lab.

    Based on my experience I knew immediately that covid craziness was a fake. One of the giveaways about AIDS was that the all-cause mortality figure barely budged even as the media reported death was stalking the land. The powers-that-be learned from their mistake so the first thing they did in covid craziness was the lockdown. It pushed up the all-cause mortality figures substantially.

    I fear that I see the covid end game. I hope I am wrong.

    It will not be news to readers of the Unz Review that our ruling elites are Malthusians. The late Prince Philip was reported on two occasions as hoping that, if reincarnation exists, he could come back as a killer virus and destroy half the population of the earth.

    It appears his late Royal Highness did not know much about viruses.

    Deadly viruses tend to be hard to transmit. Easy to pass on viruses are very rarely serious. So no virus in its natural form could kill half the people on the planet. Not, unless the immune systems of vast numbers of people were already compromised seriously.

    Is the purpose of covid craziness, to get a great many people jabbed, double jabbed, boostered and reboostered to the point that their immune systems are seriously compromised? Then when a serious but formerly hard-to-transmit virus comes along it will have an easier time of wreaking havoc.

    If the powers-that-be permit a brief interlude between covid jabbing and the arrival of a deadly virus the public will never make the connection, especially if there are few unjabbed people who remain strangely healthy.

    I note that H5N1 flu has been in the news recently. Wikipedia says it is a serious disease but there is no evidence that it has been able to maintain widespread person-to-person transmission .

    I hope my vision is a paranoid fantasy and I recall that man proposes, God disposes.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
    • Thanks: Alfred
  402. @Polymath

    Then you should explain.

    Nonsense. You didn’t ask for an explanation, nor would I have replied to your queries had you demanded one.

    Your comment, no. 388, is preceded by a long article and a great many comments wherein every matter that you claim you wish to have explained to you is dealt with many times over. Are you simply too busy to do your own reading and thinking?

    The foregoing notwithstanding, I commend Mr. Anon’s explanations to you. They constitute one of roughly half a dozen ways of correctly explaining my three “wrongs.”

    Far and away the best overall explanation is Peter Duesberg’s own. It is to be found in his book Inventing the AIDS Virus. A search for the book at BookFinder.com will lead you to many a copy that will cost you substantially less than a double espresso supremo grande (whatever) at Starbucks. Moreover, unlike the coffee, when you get Duesberg’s book, it won’t be burnt.

    In fine, you need to see that the entire narrative construct in which your initial comment resides is a house of cards. Tainted blood transfusions did not kill those men, nor did something called AIDS. The truth is far simpler, far more malevolent, and far more ominous.

    • Replies: @Polymath
  403. aspnaz says:

    Looks like AZT and AIDS was all part of a plan to make a shit load of money by killing off people who did not have status in the community: gay men and drugs users. But I very much doubt that any big pharma company would do that without the protection of a more powerful entity, the people running the show.

    I am still trying to discover how this global crime works, but I cannot believe that big pharma would be able to do this sort of overt killing without the protection of the security services. The security services are probably the muscle that protects the real decisions makers, the people planing to intensify control over the masses and global power. Who else could kill Epstein in his cell? Why else would security people attack Trump so agressively?

    Scams like this make you start to suspect all the wrong moves made by society: for example, I wonder whether the people running AIDS, Covid, Opiods etc are also responsible for the huge levels of sugar in our diet.

  404. @saggy

    Right, of course. You’re more patient than I would have been. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

  405. @Mr. Anon

    The promotion of carbohydrate intake over dietary fat was a huge one, resulting in an explosion of obesity and diabetes in the US and, increasingly, around the World.

    I’m not aware of any compelling evidence that carbs are the cause.

    In studies in which calories are equated, people on high carb and low carb diets lose (or gain) the same amount of weight. To me this evidence clinches it for the boring old “establishment” theory that energy balance (calories in vs calories out) determines weight gain or loss.

    If carbs make any difference at all, it’s that they often come packaged in highly palatable foods like chips, chocolate and pizza, which are very hard to eat only small quantities of – ie you promise yourself eat only a little, but it tastes so good you eat the whole thing.

    Lastly, I also have personal experience to base my opinion on. I’m a devout little gym rat (over 15 years), and have done multiple cuts (ie fat loss phases) of 15-20lb. I have no trouble losing fat eating high levels of carbs, even foods supposedly “dangerously” high on the glycemic index (a big no no among low carb devotees). The reason is caloric deficit determines fat loss, not carb intake.

    • Replies: @Marcion
  406. Mr. Anon says:

    I’m not aware of any compelling evidence that carbs are the cause.

    Perhaps you haven’t looked.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2686146

    Lastly, I also have personal experience to base my opinion on. I’m a devout little gym rat (over 15 years)………

    What about for people who aren’t? People didn’t used to spend an hour a day at the gym, yet they weren’t fat. Of course we lead more sedentary lives now too, but I think it would be foolish to discount the likelihood that carbohydrate-rich diets are irrelevant.

    • Agree: Marcion
  407. @Kali

    Damn.

    The world need a 21st century Stalin where he executes all the retards. It would also solved the overpopulation problem.

  408. My current goal is to talk to as many covid positive patients as possible and ask them what they experienced during and after covid.

    It has been very interesting. Even if I am limited to just people I know in life.

  409. Marcion says:
    @silviosilver

    Your information is twenty years out of date. You need to reeducate yourself from scratch to be free of big pharma/ big food brainwashing.

    Lots of great new studies, like Harvard carnivore, Women’s study, biggest nutritional study in history.

    Start with Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. Talk to people with experience in a natural human diet, Removing the garbage low nutritional, toxic plants from the diet and replacing with meat is the greatest discovery in health today.

    MInd blowing results with ketovore or carnivore. Go three months and you will have many physical improvements.

    • Replies: @orchardist
  410. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mr. Anon

    I thought that a plummeting T-cell count was the effective definition of AIDS.

    Not quite. AIDS = failing immune system, for whatever reason, not related to inherited, typically mendelian diseases. HIV causes AIDS but AIDS was know before HIV was infecting people outside of Africa.

    But of course plummeting T-cell count will invariably produce failing immune system. Our immunity without T-cells is like a car without wheels.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  411. Anonymous[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Antivirals stop HIV from reproducing, and supposedly the immune system recovers and you no longer have AIDS. However, why can’t you cure HIV with antivirals?

    Because the antivirals only inhibit replication, they don’t kill the virus integrated into our DNA. It sits there, does little as long as drugs are around but “reactivates” soon after they are gone and starts producing virions ready to infect more cells. To cure HIV would mean to kill all cells into which the virus has integrated – regardless whether it is active in them or not. That is a very tall order that can only be mediated by antibodies but, alas, the HIV virus has got a whole line of defenses against antibody attacks.

  412. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @The Peul

    The Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) technique does not measure the actual, live virus in the body, but the amplified fragments of DNA that are thought to be similar to HIV.

    Anthony F[r]auci – of all people – put it rather more succinctly: PCR tests with excessive cycle thresholds end up detecting only “dead nucleotides.

  413. Alfred says:
    @SBaker

    they have some very funny and odd stories about objects that required retrieval from somewhere north of the anus

    My favourite such story is about a guy who put a light bulb in his posterior. It must have taken great expertise to extract the thing without breakage.

  414. Cletus says:

    I can’t believe nobody can put one foot in front of the other to realize the HIV virus was simply the chosen scaffold that could be transmitted between among humans, and then engineered and modified to destroy your T cells. What do you think the bio warfare departments have been doing for the past 70 years? Covid is a weaker version of SARS. This works in our favor.

  415. eah says:

    As Kennedy explains, three additional science Nobel Laureates have also expressed similar public skepticism for the conventional HIV/AIDS narrative, one of them being Kary Mullis, the renowned creator of the revolutionary PCR test.

    Referring to PCR as a ‘test’ is an odd blemish on this article — it’s odd because the author has spent some time examining COVID, and now HIV/AIDS, and therefore ought to know better — also because Mullis himself was careful to say that PCR is a process or procedure for ‘making a whole lot of something out of something’ (link), and not a test — any analysis or ‘testing’ of the result of running PCR on a sample, including any conclusions drawn from this analysis or ‘testing’, is what deserve scrutiny.

  416. Another scientist who was “non-personed” By the AIDS establishment was Dr. Henry Heimlich – creator of the Heimlich maneuver. He believed AIDS patients could be cured by infecting them with Malaria. Malaria causes the body to have extreme fevers which Heimlich believed would kill a viral infection in the body. He wanted to test us treatment, but couldn’t get approval from the medical government bodies. So he went to China to run his tests clandestinely.

    https://apnews.com/article/a1353d472d534b62310e21b553a547c5

    He has been mercilessly attacked and vilified for his AIDS and previous medical research. His son led the crusade to cancel Hemlich by removing his name from his eponymous Heimlich maneuver. Presumably it’s because of his views on AIDS, but I’m sure there’s some father son stuff there that Id rather not look into.

    https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2005/01/24/story2.html

    Would love to see @RonUnz look into this 🙏🏼

  417. @aspnaz

    You are definitely onto something. The doctor who exposed the danger of sugar in the diet wrote a book called “Pure white and deadly” in the 60s and was savaged by many with Coca-Cola supplying huge money to attack him. Years later it has been proven correct. Can’t remember the person’s name but Mercola did an article on him a few years ago. In the 70s fat was unfairly demonized so many low fat products hit the market with most being high in sugar.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  418. Mr. Anon says:
    @Anonymous

    Not quite. AIDS = failing immune system, for whatever reason, not related to inherited, typically mendelian diseases. HIV causes AIDS but AIDS was know before HIV was infecting people outside of Africa.

    According to the CDC, AIDS is to be diagnosed when:

    1.) Less than 200 CD4+ T cells per cubic millimeter of blood

    2.) CD4+ T cells accounting for less than 14 percent of all lymphocytes, a type of white blood cell.

    3.) The presence of one of a list of various diseases

    https://www.ucsfhealth.org/conditions/aids/diagnosis#:~:text=The%20CDC’s%20definition%20of%20AIDS,in%20the%20body’s%20immune%20system.

    I believe that the falling CD4+ cell count is by itself enough for many doctors to say a patient has AIDS (or pre-AIDS). I even heard Fauci himself say this.

    • Replies: @PDXLibertarian
  419. @Jack Sparrow

    You are definitely onto something. The doctor who exposed the danger of sugar in the diet wrote a book called “Pure white and deadly” in the 60s and was savaged by many with Coca-Cola supplying huge money to attack him.

    Both sugars and fats contain a lot of concentrated calories, and an excess consumption of calories makes you fat–everyone knows that anyway.

    Drinks companies like Coca-Cola don’t care about anybody’s health, and they should keep their mouths shut.

    If you want to lose weight you need to eat and drink less calories. It is that simple.

    Just for the record, I have been on a diet of my own devising for the last 2 months and have lost 20lbs. The “secret” diet? Just eat a normal breakfast (whatever that is for you) and a normal evening meal with entree only. No desserts, no snacks between meals, no sweetened drinks, no alcohol, no sugar in tea or coffee or on cereal.

    After a while you feel less hungry, and since you are not consuming any significant amount of sugars, you don’t have significant blood sugar variations making you hungry.

    The only requirement for losing weight is to eat less, which requires a certain amount of self discipline and willpower, but apart from that, there is nothing to it. You can have a hamburger for your daily meal if you want, and still lose weight. Exercise also helps.

  420. Marcion says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    You really are regurgitating the plant based propaganda that keeps Big Food and Big Pharma flush, and keeps you filling prescriptions.

    Carbs ARE SUGARS

    Industrial seed oils like canola, soy or even processed clear ‘light’ olive oil are poison .

    Low carb, no seed oils, meat diet works because it corrects your hormones and you feel satisfied.
    A calorie based diet is absolutely unnecessary and even harmful.

    Carbs make you, and worse, your organs, fatty. Ruminant, grass eating animals contain the perfect highest nutritional value fats and proteins.
    What are the two essential macro-nutrients?

    • Agree: Alfred
  421. Alfred says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Total nonsense. A repeat of what the US government has been recommending for 40+ years. We all know how successful that has been.

    I am 75 kilos. I have been between 75 and 79 kilos for 50 years. I stopped eating sugar 10 years ago. I eat loads of meat, chicken and fish. I eat very little bread, pasta and fried chips. I also have a good amount of fruit. I hardly ever eat cooked vegetables. Occasionally a salad. I almost always eat at home.I go for a long walk every day. I never go to the gym or anything of the sort. I avoid vaccinations and doctors. I avoid stress. When people cheat me out of money and suchlike, I don’t get worked up. I just stay away from them.

    Below is a recent reading taken after a good walk. I am 71. I stress here that I did all the above by instinct. I am not following any “diet”. I am almost never hungry.

    My advice to people is to generally do the opposite of what doctors and officialdom tell you to do. Never take statins or any such crap!

    • Agree: gsjackson
    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  422. SBaker says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You are aware that retroviruses cause similar syndromes in other species right? AIDS is a gift to the sodomites to assist in shortening their enjoyment of vectoring a myriad of infectious diseases to other people. I don’t see St George arising from the same establishment–can you cite a dozen or so refereed papers to support the cult of worship for the african icon.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  423. @Alfred

    I would have to add to all that (which I subscribe) some kind of fasting.
    Ususally I condense all my eating (2 meals a day) in a window of about 8-9h. This is what is called intermittent fasting.
    And on top of that, I do 1 day per week of complete fasting (more like 40h, from last evening meal to next 1st meal). Drink plenty of water, relax, that day is often the best day of the week, and you get plenty of free time without worrying about food.

    • Agree: Alfred, Mr. Anon
    • Replies: @Marcion
    , @Mr. Anon
  424. The current Covidiocy is the old HIV-AIDS meme on steroids. Same actors. Same fearmongering. Same play book.

  425. Marcion says:
    @DevilAdvocate

    Thanks, agreed. Emulating our ancestor’s time restricted eating and fasting is extremely beneficial for health..but only if you have a meat based diet.

    If you are eating mainly plant matter, then fasting is going to be difficult from malnourishment. Eat meat for a couple months, first, to heal, then fasting is surprisingly easy.

    • Agree: Sisifo
    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  426. Mr. Anon says:
    @SBaker

    You are aware that retroviruses cause similar syndromes in other species right?

    I’m aware that people have claimed that, but do they? Kary Mullis described an experiment – considered to be definitive – in which Macaque monkees were injected with an HIV like virus and were said to have developed AIDS, but he said the disease they got was not actually like AIDS at all. Chimps were observed to have an AIDS like disease in the wild with SIV also present, but given the elasticity of what constitutes AIDS, who knows if this is significant or not. Maybe they were just sick chimps.

    I don’t see St George arising from the same establishment–can you cite a dozen or so refereed papers to support the cult of worship for the african icon.

    You’re not paying attention. Refereed papers? There wouldn’t necessarily be any. There would be public pronouncements, as there have been. Like these:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-04-09/racism-a-serious-public-health-threat-cdc-says

  427. Reggie says:
    @silviosilver

    Yeah, I remember that judge’s ruling. So he was invoking the “argument from authority,” which I’m sure you know is a propaganda technique. You argue against the person’s lack of credentials instead of the person’s evidence. “This scientist is correct because he’s from Harvard and so must be smarter than that scientist from Ohio State.”

    In Eleopulos’s case, IIRC, she has a MSc. in Medical Physics, whatever that is. But she is so brilliant that other doctors and scientists in her group see her as the group’s intellectual leader.

    If you read Ms. Papadopulos-Eleopulos’ papers it’s clear that she has a superb understanding of the science involved. Other MD and PhD members of her group DID have the “credentials” that the judge was so insistent upon. I think it was Brent Leung’s film “The emperor’s new virus” (highly recommended) that was all about the Perth Groups’ arguments.

    I will admit that it’s just my suspicion that Hiv/Aids has a paid troll army. I haven’t had the time to research it.

    Just as it’s only my suspicion that covert forces intervened in that case and got to the judge, maybe with money, maybe by reminding him that he had a lovely family and it would be a pity if anything happened to them.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
  428. @Marcion

    I had my fill on several eating regimens, from vegetarianism to ketogenic. And I must say there are no set rules for everybody. Of course some things are blatantly bad, as eating too much carbs and sugars while forgetting good proteins and good fats. But different people thrive on different things.
    The main point is to find what is best for yourself, learn to listen to what your body tells you.

    But in order to do that, you have first to be able to “listen”. That involves a good detoxifying, some mind training, and avoiding a life with too much “noise”.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Marcion
  429. @Mr. Anon

    CD4/T-cell counts are a totally bogus surrogate marker for AIDS-like immune deficiency – something AIDS dissidents have been pointing out forever.

    RFK Jr’s book touches on them when he cites a paper from 1996:
    https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/0003-4819-125-7-199610010-00011

    The best deconstruction of the bogus CD4 marker was by Dr. Nancy Turner Banks:
    https://www.omsj.org/corruption/the-alchemy-of-flow-cytometry

    It’s part of the AIDS drug scam: the AZT-like nucleoside analogues cause CD4 cell counts to go up, so the clinician’s trick is to say “oh, your surrogate marker is falling, you better go on drugs now” (and they sell more drugs). The drugs aren’t “killing HIV” because (as Duesberg points out) HIV is said to infect 1 in 1000 CD4 cells, instead, the drugs just kill CD4 cells – so what the body does is compensate for the toxic shock by overproducing CD4 cells. The jargon term for this is “hormesis.” Similarly, the Protease Inhibitor scam works on the “viral load” test – those drugs cause the “viral load” surrogate marker to go down to an arbitrary cutoff called “undetectable” – but neither CD4 count or ‘viral load’ correlate to health or life extension – as found by the Rodriguez/Case Western Reserve study cited in RFK Jr’s book. If these surrogate markers fall apart, the whole AIDS drug scam falls apart, so there are very powerful forces at work to preserve this clinical practice. I’ve known some HIV positives who just obsess over these numbers. Doctors are just trained to look at lab reports and ignore the patient.

    In the film “House of Numbers” posted by Unz, the 200 number is addressed by Dr. Harry Haverkos. This is called “AIDS 93” and Dr. Haverkos says it was a totally arbitrary and political decision to change the surveillance definition to CD4<200, and this had no scientific basis whatsoever. It was addressed in local news from the time, like this article from the LA Times:
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-12-31-mn-4293-story.html

    The way it works is like this: congress wrote the Ryan White act on the basis of the more AIDS, the more money: so the CDC changed the definition of AIDS to double the number of cases overnight, meaning everybody got more money. What you'll see at the state level is because funding is based on number of AIDS cases instead of number of HIV positives, state and local health departments try to give their HIV positive cases AIDS on paper by ordering an absurd number of CD4 tests and applying intensive surveillance on every single lab. Here in Oregon, I uncovered a scam where they were taking bone marrow transplant patients at OHSU and claiming they were AIDS cases so they could get more federal \$\$.

    Keep in mind: a surveillance definition can differ from a clinical definition – and that's the trick the CDC exploits to manufacture whatever numbers it wants for any disease. Dumb Doctors don't know the difference.

    CD4s are discussed in some of Gary Null's films as well: the CD4s in the blood are something like 1% of your body's CD4's – the rest are in the lymph or in the interstitial tissue. If you lay out in the sun or run a marathon, your CD4s are going to be low. There also no baseline studies for what a "normal" count is – because the only people who ever get the lab test are HIV positives and bone marrow transplant recipients. The NIH won't fund the baseline study – probably because it would show there are plenty of healthy HIV-negative people walking around out there with CD4<200.

    AIDS-like immune deficiency does exist, and the critical thing is the CD4 ratio as well as something called the TH1/TH2 switch. Basically, the immune system has two halves and when it's stressed too much one way, it gets stuck – turning off the other half, which deals mostly with intracellular immunity – fungal opportunistic infections. That's why almost all the AIDS-defining conditions are fungal but the definition does not have things like opportunistic staph infections. People who party all the time and take lots of drugs tend to get lots of staph and bacterial infections and because their immune systems are fighting those, if pushed too hard, eventually the immune system gets stuck in that bacteria mode, and the body fails to fight off fungal pneumonia and oral thrush.

    Also, AIDS critics have known for years the cure for AIDS – intravenous glutathione, which is a reducing agent that gets the immune switch unstuck. N-acetyl-cystine (NAC) metabolizes into glutathione, and it's more than interesting that the FDA banned OTC-NAC this year – one of the many "in-jokes" surrounding Corona based on AIDS.

    • Thanks: Mehen, Mr. Anon, Fart Blossom, W, Alfred
  430. Polymath says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Before the anti-AIDS drugs were developed, people were still dying with devastated T-cell counts, yes or no?

    Yes or no?

    However bad AZT may be, the immune deficiency problem predated it, and contact tracing revealed a familiar pattern of blood exchange or sexual contact. They didn’t start giving anti-AIDS drugs to transfusion recipients spontaneously, they noticed that transfusion recipients were getting their T-cells and immune systems ravaged first.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  431. Mr. Anon says:

    Before the anti-AIDS drugs were developed……..

    It should be noted that AZT was developed in the 1960s to treat cancer and was never much used for that apparently. It was repurposed to treat AIDS.

    However bad AZT may be, the immune deficiency problem predated it, and contact tracing revealed a familiar pattern of blood exchange or sexual contact. They didn’t start giving anti-AIDS drugs to transfusion recipients spontaneously, they noticed that transfusion recipients were getting their T-cells and immune systems ravaged first.

    That’s a good point. Maybe that puts a nail in the coffin of the idea right there.

    On the other hand, hemophiliacs already tend to be immuno-suppressed because they use foreign (to them) blood products. And, it appears that it was not uncommon for them to use cortico-steroids to treat inflammation (because they can’t take NSAIDS). Cortico-steroid use has also been associated with pneumocystis carinii pneumonia

    Was it the case that hemophiliacs were dropping dead and left and right, or did a few die (a few will always die from time to time) and then they started testing all of them? When did they start dying large numbers? Before or after the introduction of AZT?

    Then there is also the fact that hemophiliacs tended not to get Kaposi’s Sarcoma (KS), according to this paper from 1990:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1967430/

    Why not?

    Of course KS itself might be caused by a sexually transmitted virus, as that paper postulates.

    Then again, perhaps the hemophiliacs were getting other nasty stuff in their tainted blood products too.

    It’s hard to untangle it all, especially given that a lot of bio-medical research seems to be rather sloppy (well, so it seems to me).

  432. Mr. Anon says:
    @DevilAdvocate

    Agree. The only success I’ve ever had in losing weight was with calorie restriction, especially carb restriction, and partial fasting. Even doing that just three days a week will make a difference.

    • Replies: @Marcion
  433. @aspnaz

    Scams like this make you start to suspect all the wrong moves made by society…

    If you go down that rabbit hole, you’ll be continuously fascinated by it and you have virtually all of your suspicions confirmed. The corruption at all levels is so overwhelming that it becomes fascinating as well as calming. In other words, I have long ago quit getting upset when I hear of some new outrage, realizing that fighting and undermining it in any small way possible is stimulating and gratifying. It sounds like a cliche, but knowing large parts of the truth does set one at least somewhat free.

    For those questioning why justice hardly ever prevails, I just finished, and highly recommend,

    [MORE]

    Lawless wealth; the origin of some great American fortunes : Russell, Charles Edward, 1860-1941 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

    https://archive.org/details/lawlesswealthori00russrich/page/166/mode/2up

    This well written and highly informative book will have you questioning vaccines in general.

    Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History
    By: Suzanne Humphries MD , Roman Bystrianyk

    https://dissolvingillusions.com/

    For those who prefer vids,

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dissolving+Illusions&docid=608036961211585329&mid=9AE90AD7DD4D6A7B07839AE90AD7DD4D6A7B0783&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    Anything written by Lear is worthwhile,

    Do We Need a Census of Worthless Drugs?
    by John Lear
    The Saturday Review, May 7, 1960, pp. 53-57
    https://www.unz.com/print/SaturdayRev-1960may07-00053/Contents/

    • Agree: Mehen
  434. @Ron Unz

    Thanks, Ron, for the explicit reply. I believe, as the ramifications from actually understanding the AIDS hoax will sink in, and understanding that the COVID playbook is exactly the same, – your perception and understanding of Covid will inevitably change. No matter if it was created in a laboratory (lousy job then), occurs naturally or actually doesn’t exist as an isolated pathogen.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  435. @Casual Spectator

    I believe, as the ramifications from actually understanding the AIDS hoax will sink in, and understanding that the COVID playbook is exactly the same…

    Much the same can be said for a lot of medical hoaxes, and there have been plenty, over the last century and a half.

    Again, I must suggest the book,

    Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and The Forgotten History
    By: Suzanne Humphries MD , Roman Bystrianyk
    https://dissolvingillusions.com/

    For those who prefer vids,

    https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Dissolving+Illusions&docid=608036961211585329&mid=9AE90AD7DD4D6A7B07839AE90AD7DD4D6A7B0783&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

    I used to assume that getting vaccines was just the normal thing to do and accepted them unconditionally, but now I believe that politics has long been mixed up with the things and that we would generally be much better off by living so as to support our immune systems (adequate shelter and living conditions, good nutrition, hygiene, sanitation, plenty of fresh air and sunshine, mental, physical and social activity, etc., ) which have developed over the eons rather than relying on vaccines to goose our immune systems which come with more hazards than we’re generally privy to.

    Avoid or laugh at the scare-mongers consistently.

  436. @Jonathan Mason

    Dr. Mercola advocates a low calorie diet but high in good fats. He also advocates intermittent fasting or as he puts it only eating in an 8 hour window, like say from 10:00 am to 6:00 pm. It allows the body to eliminate toxins and takes a lot of stress off the digestive system. Fats are the most easily digested form of calories and don’t turn to fat in the body as carbs and sugars do. Eating fats causes the body to burn fat. Meat and nut, and dairy fats are good but Mercola always stresses the importance of grass fed for the meat and dairy. It is not a diet for someone on a limited budget. Another big factor in keeping weight off is getting enough sleep and not too much stress. Stress of any kind puts the body in survival mode. That is where something like aroma therapy and cbd, melatonin can be beneficial.

    • Agree: Alfred
  437. Marcion says:
    @DevilAdvocate

    Obviously you haven’t tried carnivore. ‘Keto’ could be plant based slop. Until you do ninety days of carnivore you have no basis to make a judgement.
    Be sure to get all your labs before and after the ninety days. Check out the Harvard carnivore study that just came out. After ninety days test bp and A1c, HDL, triglicerides, and others, reintroduce plant foods THEN and notice how you react and feel.

    Compare plant based to meat based, not to ‘Keto’, a sloppy, meaningless catagory now used mainly by Big Food to sell you their trash food mixed with chemical sweeteners.

    We have been brainwashed to be afraid of meat. My prescription will cure that.

    • Replies: @DevilAdvocate
  438. Marcion says:
    @Mr. Anon

    You probably gained the weight back.
    Fact, calorie restriction is a massive failure on the part of government claims, all for the corporate bottom line.

    Think about this: why are you afraid of eating fatty meat? We have blamed meat for the nasty results of the ingestion of carbs and seed oils. Update yourself on the science.

    Only meat can change your hormonal balance, allowing you to break your carb addiction and bring you to a perfect weight.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  439. @Marcion

    [Too many off-topic comments about dieting.]

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  440. SBaker says:

    Professor Duesberg is most famous, of course, for challenging the hypothesis that human immunodeficiency virus causes acquired immune deficiency syndrome (AIDS). Again, the basis for Professor Duesberg’s objections were based on classical epidemiology: according to Professor Duesberg, the HIV hypothesis did not fulfill Koch’s postulates for identifying a microorganism responsible for disease. The postulates, developed by Robert Koch (at right) during his investigations in the late 19th century resulting in identifying many disease-causing microorganisms, are:

    1. The microorganism must be found in all organisms suffering from the disease, but not in healthy organisms.
    2. The microorganism must be isolated from a diseased organism and grown in pure culture.
    3. The cultured microorganism should cause disease when introduced into a healthy organism.
    4. The microorganism must be reisolated from the inoculated, diseased experimental host and identified as being identical to the original specific causative agent.

    According to Professor Duesberg, HIV did not fulfill these criteria: HIV was not always detectable in AIDS patients, and HIV infected individuals could appear healthy, for example. Unfortunately, the universality of the postulates is not absolute, a fact recognized by Koch himself. For example, asymptomatic “carriers” of disease exist, contravening the first postulate (for example, in typhoid), and the capacity of a cultured microorganism to cause disease according to the third postulate is dependent on a great many other factors, including individual susceptibility of the host organism. Undeterred, Professor Duesberg attributed AIDS to a general depletion of the immune system caused by, among other things, promiscuous sex and amyl nitrate abuse. While these theories may have had some attractiveness, particularly among those ready and willing to blame homosexual behavior for the AIDS epidemic, it had much less relevance to the crisis in places like sub-Saharan Africa, but that did not deter Professor Duesberg from promoting his unorthodox theories.

    Professor Duesberg’s insistence that he was right and everyone else wrong about the “AIDS hypothesis” soon turned to accusations by him that those advocating that HIV causes AIDS were motivated not by the evidence but by a desire to secure research funding. In the political climate of the times, where AIDS sufferers, mostly homosexual American men, were suspicious of the intentions and motivations of the Reagan administration, Professor Duesberg’s accusations had some traction. They also led to his rapid expulsion from whatever reasoned debate occurred about AIDS in those years, and he was marginalized along with other “HIV deniers.” While Professor Duesberg’s position has not affected clinical care for AIDS patients in the West, the most persistent and deleterious effects have been in Africa, where charlatans and corrupt politicians have seized upon his notoriety to use his statements to support policies that do not address the crisis, including everything from folk remedies to neglect (see, e.g., abstract for “The Denialists”).

    Professor Duesberg paid a personal price for his stridency regarding AIDS: after many years of consistent funding for his own research, he lost most federal funding in the aftermath of the AIDS controversy.
    https://www.patentdocs.org/2007/06/why-we-dont-kno.html

    • Troll: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  441. wilnav says:
    @Ed L.

    I agree with Ed L., Vald and Bill your work building that archive is extraordinary as in the archive.
    It is priceless now and will be more so in the future.

    A question: Does the archive contain the works of Dr. Lynn Margulis (deceased), Distinguished Professor of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts at Amherst.

    Francisco Varela PhD (deceased) professor École Polytechnique; CNRS France. A sample of work on immunology here https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Francisco+Varela+Immune+system&ia=web

    Thank you,
    william

  442. @DevilAdvocate

    How about an American Pravda piece on the scandalous USDA Food Pyramid and its successors, which is practically designed to prescribe a diet that kills Americans by promoting eating that leads to insulin resistance that leads to obesity and a host of health problems that are leading increasing numbers of Americans to premature deaths?

    • Agree: DevilAdvocate, Alfred
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Olorin
  443. Carolyn says:

    Gary Null blew the whistle on this decades ago. He made an excellent documentary about it. Greedy doctors made bank off treating gay men for AIDS while ignoring their litany of medical problems (anything from stds to thrush) that resulted from poor health and a party boy lifestyle. The people who Null treated in the 80s are still alive while those who trusted Fauci, AZT and the big pharma route bit the dust.
    Another great discovery from his doc is the inconsistencies of the test. You can test positive for HIV in the US but negative in Australia. The jig is UP.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  444. @Polymath

    Repeat “yes or no” a dozen times if it helps you feel good about yourself.

    Everything having to do with T-cell counts was always part of the hoax. Some thirty years ago, Gary Null documented his success at raising so-called AIDS sufferers’ T-cell count back to normal levels. At the press conference in New York City where he presented the full documentation of his drug-free nutritional protocol—a press conference that the “AIDS sufferers” also attended, be it noted—not a single mainstream press or broadcast “journalist” came to witness or question the study, nor was a single representative from any local, state, or federal “health” agency in attendance either. So much for the Establishment’s unceasing search for victories, large or small, in its war against AIDS.

    You call yourself Polymath, but you would be showing more candor were you to call yourself Parrot. So parrot the Narrative as much as you like, but don’t expect me to buckle at the knees simply because you can say something over and over, louder and louder.

    • Agree: PDXLibertarian
    • Replies: @SBaker
  445. Skeptikal says:

    “The primary audience of Kennedy’s book is America’s large and mobilized anti-vaxxing community,”

    1. “Anti-vaxx” is itself a meme—like “conspiracy theoryist”—coined with a purpose to misstate reality, ridicule those so labeled, and derail honest public debate.

    Ron Unz knows this, yet he continues to use the obnoxious term.

    Why does he continue to do this?

    2. To the extent that there is a “community” of people who question the safety of all vaccinations, I very much doubt that these people are driving sales of RFK’s book or constitute its “primary audience.”
    Does Unz have any evidence of this?
    Does Unz think Kennedy writing to such a target audience.
    Unlikely. Much more likely is that Kennedy’s book is addressed to every thinking American, not to a small group of citizens who question all vaccinations.
    BTW, the the book has been unavailable for weeks now, to order from any local bookstore and was on back order at Amazon, last time I checked. But Kennedy has asked the public to get the book from independent booksellers. So the Amazon info is partial plus out of date anyhow.

    Unz’s statement as quoted above is purely speculative and serves no obvious purpose except to reinforce use of an obnoxious term and the stereotypes that have intentionally been associated with it. As such, the sentence seems to be an act of poor faith–a gratuitous little jab, a putdown, in what looks like a generally positive article.
    Then, he goes and basically contradicts himself when he writes:
    ” But the sort of divergent theories presented by Kennedy have probably circulated for years within particular segments of the population, and these individuals have become firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical establishment inflicted the deadly AZT treatment to combat the harmless HIV virus. ”

    So, maybe the book is aimed at those people instead of the “anti-vaxxing community”? Or, are those people also subsumed in this supposed “anti-vaxxing community” because they “became firmly convinced that huge numbers of Americans died because the medical esetablishment . . . ” ? Just like those who question the deployment of synthetic mRNA jabs which has also led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands, indirectly via lack of timely treatment and directly from AEs? So, how come Unz labels the latter “anti-vaxxers” but does not appear to use the same term to insult those, like Duesberg, who question the dodgy AZT jab?

    Just drop this stupid usage, Ron.

  446. Skeptikal says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “By the way, that’s why I refuse to have my immune system constantly stimulated by Fauci’s “boosters” keeping me in a semi-febrile state all year, every year. There’s a sweet spot for immune system “exercise.” All these masked, jabbed, distanced people eventually really will be unable to leave their houses and unable to risk touching anyone.”

    Thanks.

    If you challenge the immune system repeatedly without giving it a chance to recover it will get worn down.

    The “boosters” don’t boost anything. They actually are more like attritionists. This is the emerging view among (honest) health professionals who observe that giving a booster to jabbed people who already had covid seems to be the last straw for the exhausted immune system.

  447. Skeptikal says:
    @Rich

    “It’s a miracle they all aren’t sick of something. ”

    Many of them are.

    All kinds of problems. It is not a healthy life or sex style.

    You can easily find a list of the many health problems of homosexuals who practice anal sex.

    Some women like it that way, too.

    Not healthy for them, either, but maybe they only do it with one guy, and not too often . . .

  448. Mr. Anon says:
    @Marcion

    You probably gained the weight back.

    I gained some of it back, partly through not sticking with the regimen, and partly due to my exercise leve dropping off. But it worked.

    Think about this: why are you afraid of eating fatty meat?

    Who says I am? I didn’t. I don’t. I mentioned that I thought that limiting carbs, in favor of protein and fats was important contributor to my weight loss.

  449. Mr. Anon says:
    @SBaker

    According to Professor Duesberg, HIV did not fulfill these criteria: HIV was not always detectable in AIDS patients, and HIV infected individuals could appear healthy, for example. Unfortunately, the universality of the postulates is not absolute, a fact recognized by Koch himself. For example, asymptomatic “carriers” of disease exist, contravening the first postulate (for example, in typhoid), and the capacity of a cultured microorganism to cause disease according to the third postulate is dependent on a great many other factors, including individual susceptibility of the host organism.

    But at least one of Koch’s postulates must be fullfilled in order to say that a particular pathogen causes a particular disease (or in this case, syndrome of diseases) – it must be present in every instance of the disease.

    According to Duesberg, in the first paper Gallo submitted to Science that made the case for HIV (called at that time HTLV-3) being the cause of AIDS – the one that occasioned the famous press conference in 1984 – only about 50% of the those who had been clinically diagnosed with AIDS tested positive for the virus. How can that be? Why was that? Why would reviewers have accepted that? Why didn’t that cause some debate? How can a virus cause a disease if it’s only found in about half the people with the disease?

    Perhaps Duesberg’s assertion is wrong, but it doesn’t seem to be – he simply quotes Gallo’s paper. What are the comparable numbers like now? Now that there millions of cases? Is it still just 50%? If not, what is it? Does anybody even care?

    At the very least, I think Duesberg made a good case that the identification of HIV as the cause of the disease was precipitate and done in an unscientifically rigorous manner.

    While these theories may have had some attractiveness, particularly among those ready and willing to blame homosexual behavior for the AIDS epidemic, it had much less relevance to the crisis in places like sub-Saharan Africa, but that did not deter Professor Duesberg from promoting his unorthodox theories.

    And Duesberg explained that too – that the cluster of diseases that consituted the syndrome was different in Africa, consisting of things like tuberculosis, diseases that were already endemic in Africa. Of course the diseases one would expect to see would be the ones that are prevalent in the area and readily available to be “opportunistic infections”. That fits in with the HIV/AIDS theory. But you can see where it could also be construed as kind of tautological. The very term “opportunistic infection” is kind of strange. Almost all infections are opportunistic, aren’t they? It’s just a question of what the opportunity is.

    Professor Duesberg paid a personal price for his stridency regarding AIDS: after many years of consistent funding for his own research, he lost most federal funding in the aftermath of the AIDS controversy.

    And no doubt other researchers noticed that too. Perhaps that’s why it was done. To make an example of him. But what would be wrong with doling out a little bit of money to a few people exploring other, minority-held ideas? Isn’t that the way that science is supposed to work?

    • Agree: Alfred, PDXLibertarian
    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
  450. @Mr. Anon

    According to Duesberg, in the first paper Gallo submitted to Science that made the case for HIV (called at that time HTLV-3) being the cause of AIDS – the one that occasioned the famous press conference in 1984 – only about 50% of the those who had been clinically diagnosed with AIDS tested positive for the virus. How can that be? Why was that?

    But surely this just refers to the patients in Gallo’s paper at a time very early in the pandemic, and doesn’t explain all the circumstances.

    In any case, one would need a longitudinal follow-up study on the same patients to determine whether patients who initially tested negative at the time of diagnosis subsequently tested positive.

    Duesberg was raising some good questions almost 40 years ago, but the science has moved forward.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Mason
    , @Mr. Anon
  451. @The Alarmist

    The American food pyramid has never made much sense to me, but it is supposed to provide some kind of guideline for balanced nutrition an institutions such as prisons, colleges, ALFs, and so on.

    This would have the effect of protecting people like prisoners from cheapskate administrations and that they would get a minimum of x oz of protein per day, and would not just be fed on boiled rice and thin soup, or given one meal per day.

    The vast majority of Americans do not decide what to eat based on recommendations in the food pyramid, and in any case the food pyramid does not recommend binging on fast food or eating entire packs of cookies or Pringles at one sitting.

    No does it recommend that restaurants should provide oversized portions.

    What I learned when I was young in England was that nutrition consists of three principal elements–proteins, carbohydrates, and fats–plus vitamins and minerals, and that the ideal was a balanced diet over three meals per day.

    This seems a lot less complicated than the food pyramid.

    Obviously any guidelines of these kinds are an ideal, and few people stick to them individually, but they provide a useful guideline for healthcare professionals.

    So for example, if you had somebody like my daughter at age 6 who was a kind of vegetarian, in that she only wanted to eat cake and ice cream, adults and/or health providers might want to explain to her that she needed to eat some other things first before she got the cake and ice cream, and that would give the adults who were providing her with food some authority in the matter.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  452. @Jonathan Mason

    https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.6324345

    If this is the relevant paper, it says 88%, not 50%, of the men in the study who had been diagnosed with AIDS tested positive for the HIV virus.

    • Replies: @Mr. Anon
  453. Skeptikal says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    “Obviously any guidelines of these kinds are an ideal, and few people stick to them individually, but they provide a useful guideline for healthcare professionals.”

    this is a weird statement—backwards.

    It is maybe individuals who need broad guidelines, and should stick to them.
    And should have the common sense to see the reason for doing so.

    Why should “health professionals” need commonsense guidelines???

    The idea is kind of absurd.

    A lot of the people working in health care are themselves overweight and/or unhealthy in various ways.

    And I think it is pretty well established that medical professionals don’t know much more about nutrition than the informed layperson.

    It is not really part of their curriculum at med school.

    They are as likely to advise nonsense on the basis of industry-supported “research” (such as don’t eat red meat or butter; eat marg instead!) as they are to do the same in the context of patent meds.

    • Agree: Alfred
  454. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    If this is the relevant paper, it says 88%, not 50%, of the men in the study who had been diagnosed with AIDS tested positive for the HIV virus.

    It might be. I haven’t finished Duesberg’s book and am going from memory from one of his talks. Perhaps he was talking about < 50% of all AIDS cases, including IV drug users and hemophiliacs.

  455. @Skeptikal

    They are as likely to advise nonsense on the basis of industry-supported “research” (such as don’t eat red meat or butter; eat marg instead!) as they are to do the same in the context of patent meds.

    Agree. I have one aunt, a doctor, who cursed eggs (“only 1 per week at most!”) while at same time advising to take statins…

  456. geokat62 says:

    Breaking News!

    Excerpt from, Entrata Chairman David Bateman Resigns Hours After Sending Anti-Semitic Vaccine Conspiracy Email:

    “I write this email knowing that many of you will think I’m crazy after reading it,” Bateman wrote in the email’s first sentence. From there, the entrepreneur claimed, without any basis, that “for 300 years the Jews have been trying to infiltrate the Catholic Church and place a Jew covertly at the top,” and that such an effort had succeeded with Pope Francis. The email also made unfounded claims that both Covid and its vaccines would deliberately destroy people’s immune systems. “I believe the pandemic and systemic extermination of billions of people will lead to an effort to consolidate all the countries in the world under a single flag with totalitarian rule,” Bateman wrote. The email shared other unfounded conspiracy theories about the vaccine’s effects, adding “everything is being expertly censored” even as the email contained links to websites making similar claims.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkonrad/2022/01/04/entrata-chairman-david-bateman-resigns-hours-after-sending-anti-semitic-vaccine-conspiracy-email/?sh=64d53cf53ab5

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  457. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    But surely this just refers to the patients in Gallo’s paper at a time very early in the pandemic, and doesn’t explain all the circumstances.

    Even if it’s just 88%, that’s still kind of a mismatch isn’t it? How can one say that pathogen X causes disease Y if X is only found in 88% of cases of Y? Perhaps it’s lurking somewhere. Fair enough, but then why wasn’t more work done to see where? Why wasn’t that work done before the hypothesis was accepted?

    You do realize that the HIV/AIDS link essentially became government dogma the instant that Margaret Heckler convened that press conference. When I was in college, we were admonished against conducting scientific debate by press conference. There were a couple of notorious examples: Cold Fusion, the Allan Hills 84001 Meteorite.

    Duesberg was raising some good questions almost 40 years ago, but the science has moved forward.

    They were good questions. It’s not clear to me that they ever got answered. And it seems possible that “The Science” (TM) simply moved forward without bothering to address those questions. As we now know, Tony Fauci doesn’t think that “The Science” needs no stinking questions. He thinks attacks on him are attacks on science.

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  458. PeterAG says:
    @GreenMike

    It was in the form of a liquid squirted into peoples mouths and any tiny scar around the mouth could receive some.
    Only a small fraction of the population needed to get it directly like that.
    Then it spread through heterosexual sex.
    ( He doesnt define that term with respect to precise sexual practises)

    A norvegian sailor was apparently the first registered Hiv/AIDS case in Europe before the gay outbreak in the US had been widely noted and he is believed to have visited prostitutes in Africa during his career and his wife in Norway died of it also.
    (Hooper also treats at length the 1959 case of the british sailor David Carr, but ends up concluding that it wasnt an HIV/aids case.)

    Hooper writes that Haiti attracted, or was targeted by, gay sex tourism from both the US and Europe so the virus was able to spread in both gay communities and among those offering or being forced to gay prostitution. The latter would then presumably spread it into the wider Haitian community.

    But I like to repeat what I wrote on the previous Ron Unz article about this topic that an anonymous american expert hinted about it being all about avoiding to compensate the multimillion african OPV vaccinees.
    There is no other reasonable explanation for why they – officially – never tested the samples which could have settled the case.

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  459. PeterAG says:
    @PeterAG

    I stated multimillion vaccinees.
    Victims would be a better word, while for the early phase until 1960, the african vaccinees were at least a few hundred thousand in Congo Rwanda and Burundi.
    Quoting Hooper
    “The very area now thought by many scientists to be the hearth, or source, of the epidemic of HIV-1-related AIDS”

  460. SBaker says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Can we assume by your comments that coprophilia is your area of expertise?

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  461. @Mr. Anon

    88% could be 22 out of 25, and there could be some reasons why the other three were not tested.

    I must admit I have not read the whole detailed paper just the abstract, but it says that 88% tested positive, but it doesn’t say that any particular number tested negative, so that it could be that a few people were not tested at all.

    There were a total of 48 people in the whole study, and they were divided between those who had been diagnosed as AIDS, and those who had not been diagnosed as AIDS, but had a history of behaviors and symptoms that were often a precursor to AIDS.

    The 88% figure refers to people who had been diagnosed as AIDS.

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  462. Dear Ron,

    I hope that my message receives you well, I looked into the HIV/AIDS hypothesis during this pandemic and I came to a similar conclusion, I held a series of interviews with a few AIDS dissidents,

    https://hkrugertjie.substack.com/p/you-were-right-president-thabo-mbeki

    I put all the relevant source material in the article,

    kind regards
    Hügo

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  463. @SBaker

    Your peculiarly Jewish trait of resorting, here and elsewhere, to perverted and pornographic insults serves as a very valuable complement to your other comments—e.g., no. 447—in that it reveals that they have all been written by a degenerate.

  464. @Skeptikal

    Why should “health professionals” need commonsense guidelines???

    The idea is kind of absurd.

    A lot of the people working in health care are themselves overweight and/or unhealthy in various ways.

    It is true that many people who work in healthcare are overweight, but they still need approved materials for patient teaching.

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  465. @Jonathan Mason

    if they dont have common sense they should not be in the business. period

  466. Mr. Anon says:
    @Jonathan Mason

    Then Gallo’s work must have been somewhat sloppy. Doesn’t sound like something you’d want to hang a whole government program on, not without more work – on that hypothesis as well as others, and all of it subject to critical review.

    As far as I know, micro-biologists have not revoked Koch’s postulates:

    https://science.umd.edu/classroom/bsci424/BSCI223WebSiteFiles/KochsPostulates.htm

    1.) the microorganism or other pathogen must be present in all cases of the disease.

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    , @Mehen
  467. @geokat62

    Thank you for bringing this story to everyone’s attention.

    It is almost funny to observe how the MSM have either mislaid or willfully discarded all sense that the proper home for the term unfounded is the editorial page, not the news story.

    You and other readers probably know that Anglin has already done a column about Bateman. It is well worth a read.

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  468. @Mr. Anon

    Well you have to pay something like \$15 to get a copy of the entire paper, so I’ve only read the summary which doesn’t have a detailed breakdown of the statistics.

    But medical research is like that. It is sloppy, because you are dealing with real life patients who may demonstrate varying levels of cooperation during the course of a trial, not show up for appointments, and so on.

    Or stuff happens and the patient has bad veins and the tech can’t get the blood for the test. Or the blood gets drawn, but gets mishandled, or coagulates before it is centrifuged, or it is left out of the fridge, or the fridge gets accidentally unplugged by the cleaner, or the blood tubes are mislabeled and have to be thrown out.

    Lots of things go wrong in real life.

    Anyway I don’t know where Duesburg got his 50% figure from.

    As I said before, you would need to follow up sometime later to determine what happened to those 12% who did not have a positive test.

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