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The course of human history may sometimes be shifted by a single spark if it happens to ignite a barrel of ideological gunpowder. With perfect timing for our Fourth of July holiday, an enormous explosion of public attention has suddenly engulfed the origins of the Covid outbreak, renewing the discussion of the causes of the global epidemic that has taken more than a million American lives and disrupted the entire world.

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs is the high-ranking academic who had chaired the Lancet commission on Covid, and a couple of weeks ago he made public statements seeming to suggest the virus had been produced by America. On July 1st I republished a brief item from RT highlighting these, and the following day a short clip of his remarks went super-viral, retweeted more than 9,000 times and producing over 800,000 views of the video, totals that have been rising minute by minute. At very long last, our Western media outlets may finally be forced to confront the issue that they have so carefully avoided for more than two years.

Sachs’ incendiary suggestion came a month after he had co-authored an academic paper in the prestigious Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, pointing to the strong evidence that Covid was the genetically-engineered product of a lab and calling for an independent inquiry into America’s possible role in creating the virus that has killed up to 20 million people worldwide.

Two years ago, the Covid commission that he chaired had concluded that the virus was probably natural, a verdict soon uniformly adopted by the American media, even leading Facebook to ban any contrary views. So Sachs’ public reversal on this crucial question represented a gigantic bombshell, but with the exception of a single piece appearing in the Intercept, it was totally ignored in the media, although I did my best to highlight it.

But a well-crafted Tweet has now attracted such enormous attention that the cat is probably out of the bag, and the media may finally be forced to cover the issue.

 

As I glanced over that massive Twitter thread, the only substantial push-back I noticed came from Prof. Richard H. Ebright of Rutgers, an influential virologist heavily involved in the Covid debate, who argued that Sachs’ words were being misinterpreted. According to Ebright, Sachs was merely suggesting that American biotechnology rather than an actual American lab had been responsible for Covid.

Sachs’ words are indeed a little indistinct and perhaps somewhat ambiguous, and I had personally interpreted them as such, believing that he was merely implying that the virus might have been produced in America rather than making any explicit claim to that effect. But the other leading candidate for the source of the virus has always been the Wuhan lab, and Sachs never even mentioned that possibility, perhaps reflecting his personal skepticism. Nonetheless Ebright states “Sach[s] concludes virus came from Chinese lab using US biotechnology,” an entirely false summary of his presentation.

This strange and fallacious claim by Ebright may finally draw attention to his own bizarre and rather convoluted past involvement in the debate over Covid’s origins, a subject that I had covered at length in an article I published nearly a year ago, portions of which are worth excerpting.

As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior. Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

Let us consider the implications of these facts. Across the entire world the only political elites that have yet suffered any significant human losses have been those of Iran, and they died at a very early stage, before significant outbreaks had even occurred almost anywhere else in the world outside China. Thus, we have America assassinating Iran’s top military commander on Jan. 2nd and then just a few weeks later large portions of the Iranian ruling elites became infected by a mysterious and deadly new virus, with many of them soon dying as a consequence. Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

The Iranians themselves were well aware of these facts, and their top political and military leaders publicly accused America of an illegal biowarfare attack against their own country and China, with their former president even filing an official protest with the United Nations. But although these explosive charges were widely reported in the Iranian press, they were completely ignored by the American media so that almost no Americans ever became aware of them.

And the central role in rebutting those explosive Iranian accusations was played by Ebright, whose early public position on the virus was exactly opposite to the one he later claimed to have held from the first moment. As I wrote:

I think that this reconstruction of events is supported by the remarkably contradictory public positions taken by Prof. Richard H. Ebright, a highly-reputable Rutgers molecular biologist and biosafety expert, who has recently established himself as one of the most widely cited scientific backers of the Wuhan lab-leak theory.

In January, Nicholson Baker had quoted Ebright as saying that for years he had been concerned about the Wuhan lab and the work being done there to create “chimeric” SARS-related bat coronaviruses “with enhanced human infectivity.” In an email, the scientist further declared that “In this context, the news of a novel coronavirus in Wuhan ***screamed*** lab release.”

Soon afterwards, Ebright became one of the prominent signatories of the March Open Letter sharply criticizing the WHO report and calling for a renewed international investigation of the Wuhan lab, outlining his views in a lengthy Independent Science News interview. According to the Vanity Fair article, when the earliest reports of the Covid outbreak appeared, his suspicions that an artificial virus had leaked from the Wuhan lab were immediate, emerging within “a nanosecond or a picosecond.” Ebright’s statements also constituted a centerpiece of Wade’s seminal article:

It is clear that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was systematically constructing novel chimeric coronaviruses and was assessing their ability to infect human cells and human-ACE2-expressing mice. It is also clear that, depending on the constant genomic contexts chosen for analysis, this work could have produced SARS-CoV-2 or a proximal progenitor of SARS-CoV-2…It is clear that some or all of this work was being performed using a biosafety standard … that would pose an unacceptably high risk of infection of laboratory staff. It also is clear that this work never should have been funded and never should have been performed.

Yet strangely enough, during the early months of the epidemic, Ebright had seemingly taken an entirely contrary public position. In his January 29, 2020 interview with the Washington Post, he had declared: “Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus.” And according to a Post story a couple of weeks later, he also added “The possibility that this was a deliberately released bioweapon can be firmly excluded.”

Ebright’s sweeping statements had been intended to rebut the widespread allegations that Covid was a Chinese bioweapon that had accidentally been leaked, but they soon proved extremely helpful to our own government-sponsored RFE/RL, which denounced the Iranian biowarfare accusation as “an unfounded claim” backed by “no evidence,” and quoted Ebright’s blanket assertion as an effective rebuttal. The apparent scientific consensus that the virus was natural ensured that any further Iranian accusations were summarily rejected as completely irrational by the international media, forcing Tehran to soon abandon the effort as counter-productive.

Whether or not my analysis of Ebright’s motive is correct, there is the undeniable reality that the loudest early scientific voice favoring Covid as natural has become the loudest voice arguing that it came from a lab, a belief he now claims to have held from the very beginning. No one in the media seems to have commented upon or perhaps even noticed this radical reversal.

So when the Iranians in early 2020 publicly accused America of having launched a biowarfare attack against their own country and China using the Covid virus, Prof. Ebright’s declarations that the virus was entirely natural were used to rebut those dangerous charges against the American government. But later that same year, after those Iranian accusations had been forgotten, Ebright then claimed that from the very first moment, he had believed that the virus was artificial, very likely a Chinese product of the Wuhan lab. In each case, his position perfectly served the immediate propaganda interests of the American national security establishment, and absolutely no one in our media has ever asked him to explain those completely contradictory positions. Perhaps individuals active on Twitter should now begin questioning him on those matters.

 

The absolutely unmentionable subtext of the current debate is the obvious possibility that the Covid virus was created in an American lab and then deliberately deployed against China and Iran, just as the Iranian government had claimed at the time, eventually leaking back and devastating America and the rest of the West.

Over the last two years I have been virtually alone in advocating this controversial hypothesis, which has been almost totally excluded from both the mainstream and the alternative media. My lengthy series of articles can be read on this website, and have also been collected together in a freely available eBook, which has been downloaded more than 11,000 times:

For those who prefer reading the lengthy material in printed form, they are now also available in a short book, reasonably priced at just \$9.99.

Meanwhile, the video interviews in which I presented my analysis of the Covid origins have now been viewed nearly 600,000 times, and here are the three most popular and substantial ones. I suspect these totals will greatly increase if Sachs’ comments move the issue to center stage of the public debate.

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  1. Charles says:

    Ron Unz is justifiably proud of his research and his Prada series, of which Covid is only a facet. If I was in his place I would crow much more loudly than he probably ever will.

  2. Dr. IV says:

    I live near Ft. Detrick and I know Ft. Detrick. No C-19 bioweapon came out of there.

    I would bet dollars to donuts that we will one day learn about the Ukrainian biolabs and be horrified.

  3. nsa says:

    Woah, hold on a minute there, Ron.
    Isn’t this the very same Jeffrey D. Sachs who was parachuted into the recently collapsed Soviet Union along with the IMF jewboys in the early 1990s to administer a healthy dose of econ shock therapy chrony capitalism to the former commies? The same Jeffrey D. Sachs who personally advised the newly minted democracy loving Yeltsin and installed a chit system resulting in the jewboys grabbing the vast resources of Russia? Russia spans 11 time zones and sits atop 1/4 to 1/3 of the world’s wealth, and the jewboys had a hold of most of it thanks to Sachs and lhis IMF globohomoschlomo pals. And we are supposed to believe anything this yid creep has to say?

  4. Has China been promoting the idea that Covid came out of a US lab? If true why not?

    • Replies: @picture111
    , @interesting
  5. The Gimp says:

    The West is laying the groundwork to blame China for the pandemic, while China (and probably Russia, down the line) blame the USA.

    This is a textbook fake binary.

    What you need to notice is that both these allegedly opposing sides agree on the most important aspect of the pandemic lie – that Covid is a unique new and dangerous disease which needs be treated with masks, lockdowns and vaccines – and only disagree violently about where this “real and deadly new disease” might have come from.

    You are supposed to take your cue from them.

    They want you to forget “covid” is just a meaningless new name for an old familiar cluster of “seasonal” symptoms. Ron wants you to forget the whole thing was a scam – and to instead take a “side” in a scripted & noisy & totally phony “origin” debate.

    The minute you sign up for it they have you – because by agreeing to debate where “it” comes from you have accepted “it” – ie a deadly new pathogen – exists & needs to be dealt with.

    And that is all they want from you.

  6. Excerpts from Michael P. Senger’s book Snake Oil: How Xi Jinping Shut Down the World (2021):

    Page 36: “Another viral sensation claimed to show dead COVID-19 victims lining the streets and waiting to be picked up like trash. As one user tweeted about the video: ‘Wuhan China. Dead Bodies waiting 4 pickup. Coronavirus NO ordinary virus. Is it intentionally released BIO WEAPON?’

    Imagine watching this video and picturing your hometown’s streets lined with bodies, stuck down by some BIO WEAPON’. That’s terrifying. And it was also a lie. The video actually showed people sleeping in the streets of Shenzen, over 600 miles from Wuhan.”

    “Photos of men in hazmat suits were everywhere, playing into the narrative about people trying in vain to ‘escape’ Wuhan…These people are just like you! except these stories weren’t real. The man in the photo did not have COVID-19; in reality, he was just passed out drunk”.

    “Another video featured a woman lying dead in the street and the story was that she had been shot at the border by doctors as she attempted to flee…But like all the others, this video was a lie. A screenshot revealed that the actual video had nothing to do with COVID-19 it was a well documented motor scooter accident.”

    There were hundreds of these videos floating around social media – nearly all of them went viral, and many news outlets covered them as well. They shaped the initial narrative about COVID-19. But they were all fake, and most were quietlay wiped from the internet in the months to come”.

    • Replies: @cranc
  7. I suspect the MSM will continue to ignore this story ‘Nothing to see here, move along now’, just as they did with the OPCW scandal.

    What is more interesting is the alternative media – if they ignore this story one has to question who is their ultimate master and their real motivations.

    • Agree: Levtraro, A B Coreopsis
  8. JimDandy says:

    This is really going to piss off a lot of people who want to have a strong opinion without doing much work. It’s anti-democracy, basically.

  9. mephisto says:

    There is no “US Lab biotechnology.” There is only science. Incredible propaganda.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  10. Ferrari says:

    The virus jumping to Iran is very interesting and deserves an explanation by the mainstream media, beyond “its just a coincidence”.

    If things get bad enough for Biden I wonder if they try to blame Trump for the virus since it was on his watch if it was a US bioweapon. Then again, that may require an investigation into some truly rogue elements of the US government, and the powerful folks probably don’t want that…

  11. IronForge says:

    Congressionals and FOIAs on this, starting with Fort Dietrich.

    Time to End the Secret BioLabs; and get ALL Labs Monitored and Prevented from Screwing around with GainOfFn ClusterFracks.

    • Replies: @Realist
  12. Tucker says:

    I’m smelling something really fishy about this latest revelation.

    We all know how intensely the ‘Deep State’ hates Donald Trump. We have all seen how they pulled out every dirty, underhanded, illegal, seditious trick in their playbook to try to bust him out of the White House and finally, they had to rig the 2020 election and steal it to get rid of him.

    I have been loosely following these Ron Unz articles relating to the covid-19 and I am getting increasingly suspicious that this is building up to something that the Deep State is going to try to blame on Trump as a means of preventing him from running in 2024 and getting elected to second term in the White House.

    And, Trump, being the imbecile that he has repeatedly shown that he is – is still out there boasting about being the ‘Father of the Vaccines’ – and these vaccines are killing and seriously injuring people by the hundreds of thousands. So, picture how fast Trump’s popularity numbers and chances of getting elected in 2024 would hit the ground hard – if, say, around 2023 the Deep State releases the news that the covid-19 virus was indeed created and released by a US Biological Lab and all his happened under Trump’s watch and with his implied knowledge and approval?

    Realistically, if this was an intentional or accidental release of a bioweapon – I tend to doubt that Trump himself was in the loop. I would point the finger of suspicion at some of the radical, foaming at the mouth, neocon war mongers that the guy stupidly brought into his administration as being far more likely culprits.

    Unz makes a very good argument when he points out how several dozen of the top officials in the Iranian government were conveniently wiped out by covid-19 virus – and we all know how much those Israelis love to assassinate political leaders and nuclear scientists in Iran and elsewhere.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  13. To open up the biolab source of covid would be like opening the books on the Kennedy assassination. Never happen.

    • Agree: dimples
  14. Congratulations Ron. It’s still a long way to proof of your theory but there is at least support for suspicion about some Americans in the two great omissions you mention, namely the failure if the media to follow up on Enright’s contradictions and the failure to make anything of the Sachs/Harrison piece.

    Still I wonder whether you don’t dominish your persuasiveness when you say, e.g

    Could any rational individual possibly regard this as a mere coincidence?

    That seems very likely an assertion that the only rational explanation [proof beyond reasonable doubt no less] is actively malignant American activity. That has to ve an exaggeration at this stage

    No doubt a lot of American defensive obfuscation – like Enright’s – can be explained by particular objectives like, to mention the obvious, Fauci’s involvement with WIV. Still, you have some positives for your case.

    • Agree: Punch Brother Punch
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  15. Levtraro says:
    @nsa

    The nuts and bolts of Russia’s free market reforms in the 90s, the details of specific industries transforming from State enterprises to private companies, were not under the control of foreign advisers like Sachs. Those details were under the control of the Russians.

    In your mind evil Sachs and others like him went to Russia to lay the grounds for Jewish oligarchs to rise. That’s cartoonish. Jewish predatory oligarchs raised in Russia in the 90s because of errors and corruption of the Russians. Putin solved that problem and now Russia is independent and strong.

    By the way, there were some very nice outcomes from free market reforms in Russia during the 90s, the most important of which was the transfer of the whole real estate stock from State to citizens for a token amount of money.

    • Replies: @Nodwink
    , @Rahan
  16. I have held my skepticism on COVID but this is undeniable. Unz is right.

  17. theMann says:
    @The Gimp

    Agree completely and would add that the timing of the fake binary obscures the issue of relentlessly escalating vaccine side effects .

    Except, of course, the side effects are the intended effects.

  18. Levtraro says:
    @Tucker

    I have been loosely following these Ron Unz articles relating to the covid-19 and I am getting increasingly suspicious that this is building up to something that the Deep State is going to try to blame on Trump as a means of preventing him from running in 2024 and getting elected to second term in the White House.

    If US elites are willing to sacrifice their own country’s position in the world by blaming COVI-19 on Trump to stop Trump from being re-elected, I say let them do it, it will be their final blunder, and then the US may become a normal great power. But me thinks Sachs is sincere, not part of any scheme to stop Trump. Watch the video where he talks in Madrid.

  19. dearieme says:
    @The Gimp

    Covid is a unique new and dangerous disease which needs be treated with masks, lockdowns and vaccines

    Wrong in almost every particular. It’s dangerous but mainly to frail, ill, old people who are already close to death. For everyone else it’s as dangerous as a bad flu except for children where it’s far less dangerous than flu.

    Masks don’t work; it was a stupid fantasy to believe they ever could. Lockdown and school closures were cretinous and responsible for the economic and financial horror show now developing.

    Mass vaccination with under-tested vaccines was a terrible mistake; even bloody fools are likely eventually to admit to that as the evidence accumulates.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  20. Mike-SMO says:

    The Iranian connection is meaningless. The “Swine Flu” and the “Bird Flu” spread very rapidly suggesting a fast moving component. If either, or other, diseases got into wild and migrating birds, the virus would be “everywhere”. MERS appeared in the Mid-East under a major migratory fly-way. That includes Iran. The “Bird Flu” appeared around Mexico City and the Spanish Flu was detected in Kansas, both of which are under major fly ways between the Arctic and South America. The U.S. government can be evil but ” bird shit” is a simpler explanation. It isn’t that the “Mad mullahs” didn’t “deserve” what they got, but the open, multi species Chinese farm system has to be considered as a source of the pestilence.

    If you have decided on the perpetrator, there are lots of pieces to the puzzle to play with. If you are looking at the pieces and want to know what happened, then “bird shit” is a good starting place. After all the SE Asian birds party with the Chinese birds during the Siberian migration. They all mingle with the critters that go and poop in the Gulf on their way to Africa, along with those that transit the Med-East and Western Europe. Such a system would also account for the SARS-1 that savaged China several years ago. Natural processes have been functioning for millennia. Way back, you would have to consider “Witches” and “evil spirits”.

    I am just very careful cleaning patio furniture and windshields.

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  21. @nsa

    My thoughts exactly. This is a cover story.

  22. I realise you want to bolster your theory, however…

    He says:

    “I’m pretty convinced it came out of, uhh, US lab biotechnology”.

    He doesn’t say:

    “I’m pretty convinced it came out of A US lab OF biotechnology”

    which is something entirely different and is (only) suggestive of Fauci et al dabbling in GoF.

    Why would you take the word of a (french?) non-native English speaker when you can listen to it yourself.

    Laughable.

  23. It’s not being investigated, not in the US, not anywhere

    For someone of Dr. Sach’s standing, this statement smacks of more than simple viridity. Duplicity and feigned stupidity is more like it. Could he also be holding his breath awaiting investigations of America’s war crimes in the post-WWII era? Or given his own Yid identity, one can throw in investigating Israel’s crimes for good measure.

    Ron, what if your hypothesis is borne out by definitive and incontrovertible evidence of Covid-19 being a biowarfare agent concocted in and disseminated from, an American lab? What then?

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  24. dimples says:

    “Yet strangely enough, during the early months of the epidemic, Ebright had seemingly taken an entirely contrary public position. In his January 29, 2020 interview with the Washington Post, he had declared: “Based on the virus genome and properties there is no indication whatsoever that it was an engineered virus.” And according to a Post story a couple of weeks later, he also added “The possibility that this was a deliberately released bioweapon can be firmly excluded.”

    “The apparent scientific consensus that the virus was natural ensured that any further Iranian accusations were summarily rejected as completely irrational by the international media, forcing Tehran to soon abandon the effort as counter-productive.”

    Re Ebright, as usual Mr Unz is making heavy weather of a shower in a teacup. In January 2020, as the pandemic was just getting started, Ebright like anybody else undoubtedly knew very little about the virus itself. I assume he is not a viral genome expert and thus was getting his advice from virologists, who all had a vested interest in the zoonotic transfer theory. He says later, in June 2021, that he knew in nanosecond that it was most likely a WIV lab leak from the beginning but he nevertheless said publicly at that time (Jan 2020) that it was all natural.

    He would certainly not be the only scientist in that position but in January 2020 the zoonotic theory was already the default orthodoxy and the lab leak theory was already a default ‘fringe conspiracy theory’ (as you would expect since Big Science and Big Bureaucracy are not going to accuse themselves of mass manslaughter unless forced into that predicament involuntarily). Since science is a herd phenomenon, it is hardly surprising that Ebright went along with the crowd at that point. Later the lab leak theory attracted adherents and Ebright felt safer following his intellectual instincts, conveniently leaving out his earlier version of events.

    The same thing happened with the prestigious or mainstream proponents of the zoonotic theory who later came out in favor of the lab leak theory when a following built up. Sachs himself is an example. I can’t see any of this as being a big deal or out of the ordinary in any way.

    As for the Iranian biowarfare accusations, since when does the international media give a rat’s arse about what the Iranians think? The Iranians are designated black hats, so whatever they say is ipso facto propaganda. There is no need to quote scientific consensus on that issue, it can readily be written off without consideration of scientific or any other arguments of alleged substance.

  25. naill says:
    @nsa

    Usually a message as powerful as that being delivered by Dr Sachs requires character assassination to make people doubt its truth. However I’d pay more attention and look more closely into it simply because the messenger is being attacked.
    The economic collapse of the Soviet Union was hastened by the greed of people like Cheney who insisted on money owed to the US being paid immediately resulting in the fire sale of many soviet state assets. All of Dr Sachs recommendations were bulldozed over. Had they listened to Dr Sachs’ recommendations, Putin would probably never have got elected and Russia would be on the side of the US facing the rise of China.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  26. Jimmy1969 says:

    A well written, very clear summary of a frightening suppressed story. Almost like the JFK or 9/11 story of our day.

    • Agree: Iris
  27. I meant to to draw attention to

    Indeed, Neocon activists on Twitter began gleefully noting that their hated Iranian enemies were now dropping like flies.

    because I have never known you refer to neocons a”activists” making them sound like a lot of lightweight kids rather than the Kristol and Brooks heavyweights and, according to you mature figures like Anne Applebaum and Jilia Joffe. Who are they? What do they believe or enthuse about? Can you trace a connection between those who took advantage of George W’s limitations to use what still existed of American dominance to shape the ME in Israel’s interests with you ng Turks who have China in their sights? Or are you just identifying a new young cohort of pro Israeli activists? How did the timing of their false news early in the pandemic go?

  28. Fred777 says:
    @The Gimp

    “New variants” will appear as needed by the elites.

  29. anastasia says:

    If you believe the below, and I do, then it could not have been spread by person to person contact, but by some other way. An aerosole toxin?

    :As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders, another development occurred that greatly multiplied my suspicions. Most of these early cases had occurred exactly where one might expect, among the East Asian countries bordering China. But by late February Iran had become the second epicenter of the global outbreak. Even more surprisingly, its political elites had been especially hard-hit, with a full 10% of the entire Iranian parliament soon infected and at least a dozen of its officials and politicians dying of the disease, including some who were quite senior.

    • Thanks: Iris
  30. krm says:

    National Pulse: A deleted web article recovered by The National Pulse reveals that former President Barack Obama spearheaded an agreement leading to the construction of biolabs handling “especially dangerous pathogens” in Ukraine.

  31. lysias says:
    @Dr. IV

    Those Ukrainian biolabs are supervised by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research, whose headquarters are housed in the Daniel Inouye Building in the Forest Glen Annex of Fort Detrick. That building and annex are in Silver Spring MD right outside D.C. and the Beltway. They are less than a mile from where I live.

    • Thanks: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Thirdtwin
  32. Che Guava says:
    @Dr. IV

    So you are trying to imply that you work there?

  33. anastasia says:

    I do not see how you can call Trump’s response incompetent, when all the politicians in the US thought he was nuts and racist for closing air travel from certain countries.

  34. Che Guava says:
    @nsa

    I respect our host, but to me, the one real point he makes on this is the nature of the Iran infection, statistically very high death rates concentrated among political leaders.

    That is a strange, and likely planned result.

    In general, though, it is just like any seasonal cold or ‘flu, except that it doesn’t have any effect on anyone very young, and up to extreme old age, seems only to have serious effects on the very obese or diabetic.

  35. @Mike-SMO

    A consistent argument at first sight. Your bird shit hypothesis is interesting.
    How come that SARS-COV-2 has this CGG-Cgg part in its genome, that some said would be proof for an unnatural origin of SARS-COV-2?
    Or is this CGG-CGG-sequence no strong argument – as others claim?

    Here for example:

    https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2021/06/covid-lab-leak-theory-rare-genetic-sequence-doesnt-mean-the-virus-was-engineered/

  36. I know he worked on bailouts of various third world countries, and that he is connected to the Vatican, and therefore seems like “one of the globalists.” But I have ALWAYS liked Jeffrey Sachs. He has always seemed to me like a particularly honest individual. He has spoken at the Future of Freedom Foundation. He is a good guy who is willing to tell the truth!!!

  37. MLK says:

    Say what you will about this author, he’s got his story and he’s sticking with it.

    Grand Conspiracies aren’t puzzles that can be solved. Particularly by insult to the intelligence cherry picking.

    I don’t mean to be harsh but at this point it’s beyond embarrassing to continue to memory-hole the relentless ops that I call “Trump Must Go!”

    Perhaps the intended replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection, this time in the Green Zone (of all places) and elsewhere, was the distraction from the already in motion plandemic.

    In the fall of 2019, Trump was sailing toward reelection in a landslide. The anti-Trump alignment, anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, simply wasn’t going to allow that to happen. When the newfangled hostage crisis was neutralized, the plandemic was set in motion, and then the Impeachment as a bookended distraction.

    You really can’t make it up — even after all that and unleashing the Antifa/BLM Brown Shirts, Trump still won in a landslide.

    This author should have some respect for himself and stop with the ‘Is it door number one or two?’ virus “Let’s Make a Deal.”

    Apply common sense. The worst of the worst with the USG was up for anything to be rid of Trump. Biden was selected so China was properly incentivized and comfortable that it wouldn’t be made the dirty dog by the principal conspirators.

    Iran was told what time it was with the deadly outbreak in Qom and among the leadership. Iran had to shake it off in terms of Soleimani and get with the program.

    • Replies: @David Burberry
    , @W
  38. BuelahMan says:
    @nsa

    I am told that my lack of trust in anything a jew says as truth is my fault. That I am a racist or anti-semite.

    But any thinking person understands that jews lie so much that only a fool will believe what they say. Jews don’t know “truth”. They know their agenda.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  39. It’s becoming increasingly more likely to me that the USA released COVID-19 into Wuhan during the Wuhan Military Games of October 2019. The timing of the spread (i.e. just before Chinese New Year, which is the largest annual human migration on earth), the place of the initial outbreak (i.e. Wuhan is a transportation hub located at the very center of China), and the eyewitnesses observing USA soldiers loitering around at the seafood market (i.e. the place in Wuhan where the very start of the outbreak has been traced back to) all check out (whereas, on the other hand, the WIV is actually quite a few miles away from this seafood market); and the motive of the Americans (i.e. the sanctions warfare initiated by Trump’s administration) is also present.

    The Iranian top leaders all conveniently dropping down like flies from COVID-19 just after the USA executed Qasem Soleimani, while Soleimani was on his way to Iraq for peace talks, is also extremely convenient for the USA.

    I’m becoming more and more convinced that COVID-19 was a failed bio warfare attack used in the hopes of crippling China’s healthcare system and subsequently its industries and economy, while the attack on Iran was a convenient side mission.

    Blood sample tests of American citizens indicating that the USA likely already had COVID-19 outbreaks in the summer of 2019 adds a second motive to the attack against China, which is that the USA used China to shift the blame of the pandemic away from themselves. It was an internal fxck up that caused an epidemic in the USA and, instead of properly reporting the outbreak, the USA blew it up into a pandemic and blamed China for it.

    • Agree: A B Coreopsis
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  40. @dearieme

    I am disappointed. It is you who comes close to being wrong in every particular though I will concede, because if my familiarity with the self interested motives of politicians (including those in undemocratic states) that much of the inconvenience and disruption was set in train by politicians above all wanting to avoid blame for the sad deaths of lots of grannies and prandpas – and shock horror – quite a few people in their 60s and even anomalous cases down to about 30. They didn’t want the blame for too few ventilators and ICU beds to cost them votes.

    “(Dangerous” is to a great extent in the eye of the beholder. Even if there were only half as many excess deaths in the US as RU calculates, “dangerous” seems arguable at least. Also, if causes, as now seems to be near consensual, some variety of Long Covid in about 20 per cent of cases, even nonsymptomatic ones, that supports at least dome of the efforts to fight the pandemic with masks – certainly once it was established as airborne – lockdowns maybe as better designed restrictions, and vaccines on which the overall figures seem clear. I had a case of Covid about 3 months ago and I believe the claims that my mild discomfort was only mild because I was thrice vaccinated. You may be able to cite evidence to the contrary but it is unlikely to be accepted by the medical profession in Australia where we have close to the world’s highest life expectancy.

    I have no evidence one way or the other as to the correctness of your final paragraph. Have you?

    • Replies: @DoomerBoomer
  41. @Mary Marianne

    You are willing enough to believe in human villainy. Would you be incredulous if all the evidence began to stack up against a little crew of largely American educated Chinese pricelings including scientists and at least one hedge fund speculator. Would it be totally surprising if they also noticed the military games in Wuhan and the timing of the Chinese New Year holiday? Would it be totally surprising that they may have made a few unsuccessful efforts to get the pandemic off the ground over two or three months but finally succeeded? Have you any reason to prefer a mad geopolitical motive to explain the pandemic compared with the rational desire for financial gain?

    Ron will wake up one day and say that I am a lunatic who pushed all that as my theory. So pleasured carefully and be prepared to back me when I say I can’t claim any of Ron’s extreme coincidences in its favor.

  42. Ron Unz says:
    @Daniel Dravot

    I realise you want to bolster your theory, however…Why would you take the word of a (french?) non-native English speaker when you can listen to it yourself.

    Actually, I lean in your direction. Sachs’ exact phrasing isn’t exactly distinct or unambiguous, but I personally do indeed agree with you that he probably said: “I’m pretty convinced it came out of, uhh, US lab biotechnology”.

    Unlike the suggestion of the Tweet, I don’t regard him as having explicitly said that Covid came from an American biolab, but I do think he strongly hinted or implied that likelihood. Keep in mind that the only other possibility on the table has been the Wuhan lab, and he never mentioned it in his discussion, probably because he regarded it as implausible. In his May journal article, he called for an independent inquiry into the American origins of the Covid virus.

    The key thing is that Sachs chaired the original Covid investigation and:

    (1) He now says that the virus was very likely artificial.

    (2) He implies or suggests it probably had an American origin, while saying nothing about the Wuhan lab-leak possibility.

    These are gigantic bombshells, which are being totally ignored by the entire Western media. There has been virtually no coverage even in the alternative media. Perhaps that will change now that the clip is pushing towards 10,000 Retweets and a million video views.

    Sachs obviously hasn’t gone “all the way” but from my perspective he’s moved the ball very far down the field.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  43. Realist says:
    @IronForge

    Congressionals and FOIAs on this, starting with Fort Dietrich.

    Time to End the Secret BioLabs; and get ALL Labs Monitored and Prevented from Screwing around with GainOfFn ClusterFracks.

    There is no chance the Deep State will allow any investigation into anything they deem pertinent to their success in world dominance. They have been working toward this for seventy-seven years and have no intention of losing.

    • Agree: The Real World
    • Replies: @Jim H
    , @IronForge
  44. Pelayo says:

    Wait till we find out that SARS-COV-2 was created in the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg – the only Level-4 lab in Canada. Of course, overseen by US military biowarfare. Two Chinese microbiologists were caught illegally transferring material from this lab to China, likely because they were trying to assist PRC to develop a defense against this bioweapon.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  45. Thirdtwin says:
    @lysias

    Those were not bioweapons labs in the Ukraine. According to Victoria Nudelman, they were bioDEFENSE labs…which have now morphed into the Ukrainian equivalent of our county agricultural extension centers, built only to help the Ukrainian farmer grow his crops.

    If the actual existence of these places could have been denied, it would have been, but turning a sow’s ear into a silk purse, combined with studious ignorance by the Western media, will have to suffice.

    • Replies: @fran
  46. bert33 says:

    Big medicine and big govt. want to play god with our lives and the public wants both of them backed off substantially. Fauci needs formally prosecuted and that’s coming in november as per Rand Paul, so, the other shoe has yet to drop on this but there are now enough people looking at all of this to where there is no sweeping it under the rug. People are also interested in Fauci’s global chain of McMengele’s including and especially the ones built in the ukraine. Fauci2bighouse and bust up the WHO, NSAID, and the rest of it, and then we can start some hospital audits and go through the mediscare system and some other stuff. Has Moderna changed CFO’s again this week? LOL What a total ripoff.

    • Thanks: Thor Walhovd
  47. As the coronavirus gradually began to spread beyond China’s own borders??

    How an economist gets to chair such a technical investigation is beyond me. As far as I am aware, not one practicing, PhD bench virologist anywhere (including China) supports the ‘lab origin’ narrative.

    The ‘lab origin’ story also obscures the far more important question about the place of origin of the disease. Wherever it spread from, it’s highly unlikely to have been China.

    According to CDC figures, millions of Americans were Covid seropositive in December, 2019. [Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies. https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/72/12/e1004/6012472%5D.

    Again, the CDC says the world’s first known Covid death occurred the following month. It was Lovell Brown, who died on January 9, 2020. (https://tinyurl.com/6zjzuj3k%5D

    Further, if we apply the Covid death doubling time to US Covid figures, we see that endemicity could have begun as early as 2015. (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104836/days-for-covid19-deaths-to-double-select-countries-worldwide/%5D

    The potential US origin of the outbreak is further underlined by the unprecedented way in which American researchers have refused to share their lab results (like broncheolavage samples) with colleagues abroad.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  48. cranc says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    As far as I am aware, the writer of this article still holds to opinions expressed many months back : that these fake videos were ‘probably made by Steve Bannon, or people associated with him, so as to discredit the response of the Chinese authorities’ (I am paraphrasing).
    I don’t think that is a credible opinion, and I wish that those conducting the alt media interviews linked in this article had picked this up and asked Ron Unz in person how his theory of bioweapon attack/ blowback makes sense of these early reports from China.

    • Replies: @Wayne Lusvardi
  49. Jim H says:
    @Realist

    ‘There is no chance the Deep State will allow any investigation into anything they deem pertinent to their success in world dominance.’ — realist

    Currently the US intelligence ‘black budget’ is \$84 billion.

    If the covid pathogen were developed under its auspices, who would ever know?

    Eight Kongress Klowns (the ‘Gang of Eight’) are briefed on a broad outline of the black budget.

    But they wouldn’t have been told of anything so sensitive as a weaponized virus.

    Meanwhile, the sad example of Julian Assange warns any would-be whistleblowers that they’ll be pursued, snuffed or silenced if they dare to speak.

    Carry on, Mr Unz.

    • Agree: Realist, Iris
  50. Ron Unz says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    The ‘lab origin’ story also obscures the far more important question about the place of origin of the disease. Wherever it spread from, it’s highly unlikely to have been China.

    According to CDC figures, millions of Americans were Covid seropositive in December, 2019. [Serologic testing of U.S. blood donations to identify SARS-CoV-2-reactive antibodies.

    Frankly, you’re such a totally incompetent pro-China propaganda-activist, I sometimes wonder whether you’re secretly being paid by Steve Bannon to discredit your own side.

    You keep on citing those ridiculous false-positives in America even though the issue has been repeatedly debunked, including by my own articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#false-narratives-based-upon-false-positives

  51. Covid-19 is a myth, an illusion, a scam and a psyop, to get the people scared into taking the genocide MRNA injection for a disease that does not exist, to kill off most of the population in line with the WEF, the Rockefeller and Gates foundations and UN Agenda 2030 goals of world wide depopulation.

    These demons that are behind this covid-19 scam and psyop are the most evil, diabolical, demented, draconian forms of life that this planet has ever seen.

    • Agree: Thor Walhovd, Towey, Sisifo
    • Replies: @Ulf Thorsen
  52. DaveE says:
    @nsa

    Yep. Mr. Shock Doctrine himself, the central character of The Great Banking Takedown of human civilization.

    These creatures are definitely NOT human.

  53. IronForge says:
    @Realist

    This has gone Too Far; and the DEEP_STATE need to Make Improvements and Manage Better.

    I’m hoping to see “WikiLeaks Level” of Exposure Doxx of Players made through 3rd Parties including RUS+CHN+CHE+IND.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Iris
  54. @Wizard of Oz

    I am still open to different possibilities, i.e. I have not decided on a favorite origin story for the pandemic and decided to support it with blind faith. But there is one thing that Ron Unz has written about which puts the US bioattack theory out in front. The DIA warning allies that a bad viral outbreak was occurring in China before they could possibly have identified it, unless the USG was behind it. This assumes that Israeli officials were truthful about receiving the DIA warning and that can be questioned, but there it is nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Levtraro
  55. Iris says:
    @IronForge

    I’m hoping to see “WikiLeaks Level” of Exposure Doxx of Players made through 3rd Parties including RUS+CHN+CHE+IND.

    Don’t forget those countries martyred in the name of 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan, and the ensuing slaughter of Muslim nations and people.

    They have academics and engineers , who will soon be debating on their TV channels the controlled nuclear demolition of the WTC. 9/11 will never be forgotten, nor forgiven.

  56. The virus did not kill millions.

    The killing came from government fraud, lies and criminal collusion with big tech, big pharma and corporate media via their nonstop fearporn and hysteria, lockdowns, closures, forced masking, coercive and illegal mandates for dangerous experimental drugs, criminalizing dissent and early treatment options, faking hospital/case/death counts, weaponizing the justice system and courts to punish dissenters, and all the rest of their devilry over the past few years.

    But let’s go move some tanks and missiles and cook up WWIII to change the subject. You know, to show the world our values and stuff.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  57. Nodwink says:
    @Levtraro

    Maybe there were “very nice outcomes” for certain people (you?), but the economy was trashed, leading to the strongman in Putin riding a wave of resentment into the Kremlin.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  58. Well, that depends on what the meaning of “is” is!

  59. @Thor Walhovd

    The killing came from government fraud, lies and criminal collusion with big tech, big pharma and corporate media via their nonstop fearporn and hysteria, lockdowns, closures, forced masking, coercive and illegal mandates for dangerous experimental drugs, criminalizing dissent and early treatment options, faking hospital/case/death counts, weaponizing the justice system and courts to punish dissenters, and all the rest of their devilry over the past few years.

    Well, sure, those things contributed to the deaths, perhaps the majority of them, but the virus killed some of them as well. Old people die from cold viruses and rhino viruses all the time.

    • Agree: Thor Walhovd
    • Replies: @Towey
  60. Chebyshev says:

    Was the rogue operation to release Covid in Wuhan in the fall of 2019 originally hatched by Gentiles like Pompeo and Bolton, and then Mossad or someone else later decided that releasing it in Qom would be a good accompaniment for the upcoming assassination of Soleimani? Or was attacking both China and Iran the plan from the beginning?

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @John Galt III
  61. Iris says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    This assumes that Israeli officials were truthful about receiving the DIA warning and that can be questioned, but there it is nonetheless.

    It is not just the Israelis who were in the know.

    French military athlete Elodie Clouvel innocently revealed on a radio show in May 2021 that, according to her sports delegation doctor, several French athletes caught COVID while participating in the Wuhan Games.

    These declarations triggered an immediate interdiction by the French Ministry of Defence to ever discuss the subject. Furthermore, the MoD forbad any military from undergoing COVID antibodies testing that would have retrospectively informed about potential Covid early cases.

    Now why would you do that, while understanding Covid’s epidemiological behaviour was the Nr1 global concern at the time? Because the French military command, as part of NATO, were in the know, too.

  62. anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Somebody needs to investigate the link btwn this mystery flu-like outbreak in a VA nursing home in July, 2019, an hour away from Ft. Detrick and a month before Ft. Detrick was shut down by CDC for violation of safety protocol:

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/virginia-retirement-community-respiratory-illness-outbreak/index.html

    Also a friend of a friend who worked in National Security said way back in February, 2020 at the onset of the Covid outbreak that everyone in DC already had it back in Sept-Nov 2019, and that they all just took antibiotics and got over it.

    • Replies: @Lysias
  63. Levtraro says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    The DIA warning allies that a bad viral outbreak was occurring in China before they could possibly have identified it, unless the USG was behind it.

    There is an alternative explanation for that premonition: (1) the epidemic started, (2) the Chinese realized that something serious was going on but did not report waiting for some more data, and (3) American spies inside the Chinese system passed the info to their handlers. Thus the DIA report came out before the epidemic was officially acknowledged by the Chinese.

    In my view, the strongest support for Ron Unz’s theory, almost decisive really, is the fact that Iranian leadership was affected so early. The natural origin theory and the accidental lab leak from WVI cannot explain how could the Iranians be affected in that particular way so early.

  64. Ron Unz says:
    @Chebyshev

    Was the rogue operation to release Covid in Wuhan in the fall of 2019 originally hatched by Gentiles like Pompeo and Bolton, and then Mossad or someone else later decided that releasing it in Qom would be a good accompaniment for the upcoming assassination of Soleimani? Or was attacking both China and Iran the plan from the beginning?

    Sure, that’s possible—there’s no way of knowing. And I’d like to reemphasize that I’ve just pointed to Pompeo and Bolton as the most likely suspects because of their background and position in the national security apparatus. Maybe both of them were involved or maybe neither. Clearly the Deep State Neocons in the Trump administration would most likely have been the ones responsible.

    My central point is that there’s very strong evidence that some elements of the US government had clear foreknowledge of the Covid outbreak, as well as the means, motive, and opportunity to launch the attacks, with everything else being merely speculation.

    Here’s an important example. Just prior to the Wuhan outbreak, Robert Kadlec, America’s foremost biowarfare advocate, spent eight months running a major federal/state exercise on how to protect America from infection if a dangerous respiratory virus like Covid suddenly appeared in China. However, that doesn’t necessarily indicate that Kadlec himself was aware of the looming Covid outbreak; one of the conspirators could have just convinced him to organize the exercise.

    • Agree: fran
    • Replies: @picture111
    , @MEH 0910
  65. @Dr. IV

    Yeah thanks for your secret knowledge, doc. Can I get the mega millions numbers too?

    • LOL: Iris
  66. Levtraro says:
    @Nodwink

    Uh you are not well-informed.

    First, Putin did not “ride a wave of resentment into the Kremlin”. Putin was put there by Yeltsin. It was like Yeltsin woke up one day from his alcoholic stupor and told the Russian people “I’m not feeling good and this guy here will be your new acting prime minister”. That was August 1999. Then in December of the same year Yeltsin resigned and Putin became “acting President”. Many well informed people think that Putin fooled everyone, pretending to be a puppet but actually being an astute nationalist and the strongman that everybody knows today.

    Second, no, I didn’t get an appartment in Moscow as a result of free market reforms in Russia because I am not Russian, though I know many Russians that got their appartments and houses for a token payment in the 90s. Some of them have later sold their appartments at market prices. But I/we got “very nice outcomes” thanks to Western sanctions recently, mind you, by betting on the Ruble in March this year. I predicted here in comments at TUR that the ruble would fall as a consequence of sanctions and then quickly recover, which is exactly what happened.

    Third, the Russian economy as a whole was thrashed in the 90s but blaming US advisers is disingeneous. The harm was done by locals. The rotten oligarchs that came out as winners were Russian citizens that took advantage of Russian errors and corruption. Putin put an end to all that.

    • Replies: @fran
    , @hillaire
  67. @MLK

    Trump hired “the anti-Trump alignment” so why exactly would they want to get rid of him?

    Oh nevermind I forgot SESSIONS ACTIVATED and trust the plan. Right? 🥴

  68. @Levtraro

    The infection of Iranian leadership is a very strong indicator for the bioattack. But without a direct link to government agents it is still weaker than the DIA foreknowledge. I mean, I guess your explanation of that foreknowledge is possible but it doesn’t seem very likely.

    In the wild world of conspiracy theory a non-governmental actor could presumably infect the Iranians as a distraction from the real criminals. And yes, I know that sounds implausible too. But the result does dovetail so nicely with the aims of western globalists. The result of the pandemic was the rich getting richer, the poor getting subjugated, the world getting mRNA drugs of which the consequences are still only beginning to be felt such that we may find that it really is a depopulation scheme. Never forget that Event 201 was held in Maryland months before the Wuhan outbreak. Why do they hold drills that basically telegraph what they’re about to do to us?

    I know this sounds like I’m in Ian Fleming SPECTRE territory but that’s ok. Who is playing the part of Blofeld?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  69. Iris says:
    @IronForge

    I’m hoping to see “WikiLeaks Level” of Exposure Doxx of Players made through 3rd Parties

    Pan-Arabist media network “Al Mayadeen”, based in Lebanon and widely watched by the Arab intelligentsia and public for its support to Syria and Palestine, is running articles on Jeffrey Sachs’ Covid declarations. Here in its English edition:

    Head of Lancet Covid-19 board: Coronavirus might have come from US lab

    https://english.almayadeen.net/news/health/head-of-lancet-covid-19-board:-coronavirus-might-have-come-f

    Meanwhile, not a pip in the European press; the contrast is stark, we are becoming ever more intelligent by the day.

    • Thanks: Levtraro, Arthur MacBride
  70. Rose says:

    This is an old video but if you FF at 7 mins 30 secs it confirms Trump knew about the \$3.7M Fauci sent to the Wuhan lab to continue the gain-of-function research that had been started by Ralph Baric at the university of North Carolina, Chapel Hill but that had later been banned by the Obama administration in 2014, probably leading to the outbreak, at least in China.
    Also, let’s not forget that two months before the first cases the international military olympics were held in Wuhan, 10,00 athletes from all over the world, what a golden opportunity for a nefarious group of people wishing to spread an infectious disease like say, the US… the US team finished 35th, that had never happened before, as if these were not real athletes! Ha ha ha,…

  71. @Charles

    Covid 19 was made in Apartheid Israhell.

    Jewish Jeffrey Sachs is shilling for his co-religionists by blaming Israhell’s slave, the USG.

    http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2020/03/07/the-dirty-secrets-behind-covid-19/

    • Replies: @Ulf Thorsen
  72. @John Noughty

    Yes, of course. Chinese web sites all over said Covid-19 is from the U.S. lab, and it was released by the U.S. soldiers during the WuHan Military Game, deliberately or by accident.

    Five U.S. “soldier” players got sick (some were collapsed in the competition) during the Game, and they were sent to the WuHan Jin Yin Tan Hospital, which is specialized in Infectious Diseases. But it was TOO bad that U.S. embassy sent a Dedicated helicopter the very second morning, BEFORE the hospital had a chance to take blood sample for those U.S soldiers. Otherwise, China would have Caught them with hands in the cookie jar!

    The hospital diagnosis was Malaria。 And we ALL know at least 50% of the initial symptoms for that Covid-19 variant all have malaria like symptoms. And guess what? After the hospital gave those US soldiers HCQ, their symptoms improved very fast. Sounds familiar? Since quite a few U.S. doctors also use HCQ to treat Covid-19, LOL.

    Some observers said, when the US helicopter picked them up, the people came with the helicopter all worn weapon grade hazmat suit. but I have not seen the picture, so cannot be certain.

    • Replies: @interesting
    , @Wizard of Oz
  73. ‘…Sachs…has been criticized for his views on economics and apologia for China…’

  74. Anonymous[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Ron

    I’m not sure I see the point of all this.

    The US has admitted to funding “gain of function” research in laboratories that do shoddy lab work.

    That’s all that is needed to shut down the entire program and assign the bureaucrats responsible to monitor the Bikini nuclear weapons test site for the rest of their careers. The policy makers should be tried for whatever crimes they have committed.

    Once one of the “function gained” microorganisms gets loose, it gets loose worldwide. There isn’t much point to asking exactly how the microorganism spread, or even if the microorganism was spread deliberately. The crucial violation is conducting gain of function research in an insecure lab. One could make a case that, human error being what it is, all labs are insecure.

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  75. anon[411] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope you’re right that people are catching on. In any case thanks for blurting the obvious again. It elicits the slogans that CIA will use to impede attribution of their crime against humanity and internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens.

    #3 don’t listen to tricky Jews
    #5 Germ warfare, what germ warfare? Germ, what germ?
    #20 it was mother nature, besides our enemies deserved it
    #30 [3rd generation CIA spy brat] Democrat Obama did it
    #35 P=10**-21 so what? Could happen, ya know…
    #41 maybe it wasn’t CIA, maybe it was Chinese CIA agents

  76. Lysias says:
    @anon

    Antibiotics are no good against viral diseases.

    By the way, I and a friend with whom I share a house both had what we considered bad colds in late October 2019. As I mention above, we live very near the Daniel Inouye building in the Forest Glenn Annex of Fort Detrick.

  77. Lysias says:

    Damn Autocorrect! Forest Glen Annex.

  78. @cranc

    Dear Cranc
    I am not even aware of Steve Bannon videos. Where I am coming from is biology. There is no C-19 virus but there are viruses (AKA exosomes). And there never has been a virus vaccine that even remotely worked (see Claus Kohnlein, MD, Virus Mania – 2007). I guess most people believe overpaid scientists that there are invisible bugs that only they can see in a microscope that cause epidemics. Independent scientists inquiries requesting the proof of an isolated C-19 virus, and/or a double blind test where that virus has been implanted in healthy people and caused sickness, has resulted in 125 laboratories and health agencies stating they have no proof of a C-19 virus. If there is no real virus, how can it leak from a lab in Wuhan?

    Viruses have been historically used for Bio-Psy Ops warfare and depopulation. Centuries ago viruses were used as the rationale to keep waves of immigrants from “invading” their countries by quarantining them, deporting them, and where possible eliminating them.

    Thanks for your comment

    • Agree: Sisifo
    • Replies: @cranc
  79. Towey says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    The CDC, British and Irish governments, under FOI requests, the CMO of the state of Alberta, Canada, in court, have admitted that the virus has never been isolated or quantified. It doesn’t exist.
    The world population grew by 1,05% in 2020.
    Australia had 8,000 fewer deaths in 2020 than 2019, Ireland had 4% fewer deaths in 2020 than 2019 and in a table of the UK mortality rate index for the last 50 years, going from highest to lowest, 2020 was number 38.
    There was no pandemic. I still don’t understand why so many people are invested in maintaining this farce when it has been proved by Stefan Lanka, Andrew Kaufman, Stefano Scoglio etc. that the so-called virus isolation process is totally fraudulent.
    And the inventor of the PCR test, Kary Mullis stated that it was not a diagnostic tool. The whole COVID scam is The Emperor’s New Clothes on steroids and was an excuse to defer the implosion of the debt based financial system by engineering a world economic recession to strengthen the dollar and effect the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to wealthy Corporations in human history.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter
  80. Thanks Mr Unz for your own research on the cv19 phenomenon. Your work is very valuable even though some may disagree with various aspects of it.

    You do not need to be associated with a sleazy character like Jeffrey Sachs, and in fact there may be not a few here wondering why you find it appropriate to publish repeat articles lauding him.

    It is a mark of how far things have deteriorated in UK when once highly respected journal Lancet has been hijacked to have the likes of Sachs as its spokesman.

    • Agree: Pierre de Craon
  81. SafeNow says:

    Wouldn’t it be the case that (1) Came out of a U.S. biolab and (2) came out of the Wuhan lab….are not mutually exclusive.? That is, technology created in a US lab was transferred to the Wuhan lab to do what is known as “the benchwork.” Of course it would not be necessary to transfer a physical specimen, but rather, the US lab could simply tell the Wuhan lab make splice X on gene Y etc. Wuhan then did the benchwork, whereupon the finished virus leaked out or was deliberately released.

  82. Levtraro says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    The result of the pandemic was the rich getting richer, the poor getting subjugated, the world getting mRNA drugs of which the consequences are still only beginning to be felt such that we may find that it really is a depopulation scheme.

    Don’t confuse western countries with the World.

    mRNA substances were innoculated to westerners, Israelis and some Asian (SK and Jap) and LatAm countries. In other LatAm countries, plus Africa, China, Asia, most people that were vaccinated received the Chinese Sinovac and India, another populous country, has its own vaccine, as well as Russia. Both Sinovac and the Indian vaccine are NOT mRNA, they are regular inactivated virus vaccines, and the Russian vaccine is NOT mRNA but adenovector.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  83. @Daniel Dravot

    Either “interpretation” is irrelevant. The key is his stating that it isn’t being investigated.

    • Agree: Iris
  84. @naill

    It wasn’t just Sachs. Jude Wanniski, who had visited the USSR several times, and Paul Craig Roberts, both promoters of Supply Side Economics predicted that it would be a disaster, saying that the population needed to understand how the system works first, then allow it to happen organically.

  85. @Doug Ryler

    Yes and take a look at who the many beneficiaries are at these pharma companies –

    http://www.jewishledger.com/2020/11/the-jewish-connection-to-the-covid-vaccines/

  86. @Ron Unz

    Per Richard Ebright:

    Sachs referred to “US lab biotechnology,” not to “a US lab of biotechnology.”

    To which Ron Unz replies (to Daniel Dravot), “Actually, I lean in your direction. Sachs’ exact phrasing isn’t exactly distinct or unambiguous. …”

    If one listens to Dr. Sachs speaking the words in the video while looking at him closely, I suggest that it becomes virtually impossible to understand how anyone could disagree—on this point, anyway—with Professor Ebright, not to forget Messrs. Dravot and Unz.

    While it is hard to remain unimpressed that the entirety of the Western media, mainstream and alternative both, has ignored Sachs’s “gigantic bombshells,” one should not simply assume that Sachs has somehow discovered that truthfulness and integrity are hip and cool. He is, after all, still the man that, along with Larry Summers, got a sizable cut of the billions that he and Summers “redirected” from Yeltsin’s Russia. As the late Robert Novak used to say, both men deserved execution or imprisonment sine die for their crimes.

    • Replies: @Chebyshev
    , @Ron Unz
  87. @Pelayo

    That is the spin, except you leave out some important facts. When SARS broke out, Plummer stated that he was not convinced it was a virus because they were having difficulty replicating it, and the worst effects were coming after the viral load was dropping, contrary to what is expected. It was only after Plummer conveniently dropped dead that it was referred to as SARS2.
    Second, the samples taken illegally and shipped to China were not packaged correctly. The Chinese government filed an official complaint with the Canadian government over the improper packaging.
    Is the all-knowing, all-seeing Chinese Communist Party dumb enough to protest packaging for something it was stealing?

    • Agree: A B Coreopsis
    • Troll: picture111
  88. @Curmudgeon

    The key is his stating that it isn’t being investigated.

    Inarguable.

    Yet I wonder why Sachs would remark on the absence of an investigation unless his remarking or an investigation or both would somehow profit him. I simply cannot believe that a creature with as black a past as his is—a past founded upon Deep State associations that have made him wealthy beyond dreams of avarice—would bite the hand that feeds it at this point in time.

    Perhaps my misgivings about Sachs’s motives are irrelevant, pointless, or simply unworthy. But I have them nonetheless.

    • Replies: @Jeff Davis
  89. Chebyshev says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Back in early to mid 2020, Prof Ebright was condemning as murderers Trump and other politicians who weren’t locking everything down fast enough or long enough. But the rogue U.S. agents who released the virus in the first place are actually murderers.

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  90. @Desert Fox

    I think a more accurate way of describing it would be to say that it is a juiced up Corona virus designed(GOF) for a vaccine not the other way around.

    • Thanks: inspector general
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  91. Dumbo says:

    For a supposed high-IQ autist, Mr. Unz is overwhelmingly concerned with obtaining status quo approval for his (stupid) theory. If someone with a supposed 200 IQ cannot figure out that COVID and the mRNA vaccine are basically a scam (or he pretends not to figure it out, which is worse), then there is no hope. We are led either by morons or traitors.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @R2b
  92. @Chebyshev

    Alas, I am not surprised in the least at what you report about Ebright, and I share your contempt for those you call “rogue agents.” Indeed, except for Ebright’s opinion about what Sachs was saying in the video, I suspect that there are few, if any, matters in life about which I do or would ever agree with that man. If you look at my earlier comment again, you should see that I took pains to indicate the precise and very limited scope of my agreement with him.

  93. @Curmudgeon

    Have to disagree on that one.

    The fact it isn’t being investigated isn’t news.

    The fact that some “establishment” insider like Sachs thinks it almost certainly came from US biotechnology is a big deal.

  94. @Justrambling

    “… if your hypothesis is borne out by definitive and incontrovertible evidence of Covid-19 being a biowarfare agent concocted in and disseminated from, an American lab? What then?”

    I guarantee you that if it was a bioweapons attack (planned and carried out by Mike Pompeo) and the virus came out of a US-funded lab somewhere in the world, that we will all be long dead before the confirming data emerges from the archives. (Unless it came from a Ukrainian lab, in which case the Russians may just get their hands on it, and then … ? …) If this was a covert US CIA attack from a rogue and compartmentalized CIA group, the documentary evidence will be secured if not destroyed.

    This will end up with a big “We have not been able to definitively trace the origin of the virus.”

    • Replies: @Lysias
  95. @Pierre de Craon

    Sachs wrote three NY Times best selling books.

    His net worth is \$10 million. Hardly “wealthy beyond dreams of avarice”.

    • LOL: thotmonger
    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  96. @John Noughty

    AT THAT to me is the telling part in all this. If this really did come out of a US lab then WHY IS CHINA not screaming bloody murder?

    • Replies: @China Silence
  97. The Jeffrey Sachs view has made it to England, into the Daily Mail, there to be read by the lower classes – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10980715/Covid-leaked-AMERICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html The story is there, which is a start.

    The headline – Covid leaked from an AMERICAN lab and not the notorious Chinese facility at centre of pandemic cover-up, claims top US professor described as ‘Xi propagandist’ mixes different themes.

    The media will not find it so easy to pretend they do not know. The Mail’s comments, 545 so far tend to be sceptical but then the readers have been cut off from the truth.

    • Thanks: Pierre de Craon
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Ron Unz
  98. @picture111

    “Chinese web sites all over said Covid-19 is from the U.S. lab”

    Where’s the links?

    • Replies: @picture111
  99. @Ron Unz

    Thanks for saying that. and that is only one of the several U.S. pre-Covid 19 exercises, others include Event 201, Crimson Contagion (maybe this is the one you are talking about?), DoD’s Dark Winter…

    not to mention what happened to those thousands of so called e-Cig pneumonia cases in dozens of U.S. states,which shows exact similar lung images as those who suffered from Covid-19.

    last but not the least, for the current running Monkeypox, they have done an exercise in March 2021. Coincidences or more like what they have played in Covid 19?

    https://pandemictimeline.com/2021/03/nti-holds-a-monkeypox-tabletop-exercise/

    “The Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) and the Munich Security Conference (MSC) brought together senior leaders and experts from across Africa, the Americas, Asia, and Europe in March 2021 for a scenario-based tabletop exercise on reducing high-consequence biological threats. The virtual exercise—which convened leaders in public health, biotechnology industry, international security, and philanthropy— examined critical gaps in national and international biosecurity and pandemic preparedness, and explored opportunities to improve capabilities to prevent and respond to high-consequence biological events.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  100. @Dr. IV

    “I live near Ft. Detrick and I know Ft. Detrick. No C-19 bioweapon came out of there.”

    Quite possibly correct because it appears to have originated in N Carolina.

    • Replies: @picture111
  101. R2b says:
    @Dumbo

    I was about to comment on Unz’s bizarre theories, but this was so well said, that I abstain.

  102. Lysias says:
    @Jeff Davis

    The secrets of the U.S. regime may well come to light if the U.S. regime is overthrown (as happened to Tsarist secrets) or loses a war (as happened to Nazi secrets).

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  103. @Agentinslacks

    Exactly, Ralf Baric works mostly in Chapel Hill NC lab. He is THE one who is responsible Mainly for this virus!

    here is his CV,
    http://media-speakerfile-pre.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/cc4e5e5d442320c20c7f76a0c3cadce51445358867.pdf

    Please pay attention to Page 28, 57.
    “57. Synthetic Coronaviruses. Biohacking: Biological Warfare Enabling Technologies, June
    2005. Washington, DC. DARPA/MITRE sponsored event. Invited Speaker ”

    Yes, Covid-19 is Synthetic Coronaviruses, and he has been working on it as early as 2005! If I remember correctly, that was before SARS-COV-1

    And Frankly, China has NO such skill to invent this kind of bioweapon Virus, even if they wanted to, not to mention, they do NOT want to! Chinese are NOT interested in the Bioweapon. Although now they have to make some effort after being attacked!

    • Replies: @eah
  104. @BuelahMan

    That I am a racist or anti-semite.

    Nothing to worry about there:
    Jews are NOT semitic – Palestinians are!
    In reality, the Palestinians are the ONLY semites in Israel!

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  105. @Levtraro

    And all of these non mRNA vaccines are not at all concerning despite the fact that they were developed in the same very rushed, inherently unsafe process? And that’s not fishy in and of itself?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  106. Curle says:
    @Dr. IV

    “one day learn about the Ukrainian biolabs and be horrified.”

    And we will be told that Trump and or Hitler and or insurrectionists and or racists and or Covid deniers and or Roe v Wade opponents and or Russia is responsible.

  107. @Jeff Davis

    A man with so little influence, so few friends, and even less in the way of financial resources is fortunate to have so disinterested and eloquent an advocate as you.

  108. @Lysias

    And likely to almost certain to happen given how fast things are unravelling for USA.

    Additionally it is at least interesting to read in the link provided by Iris above (post no. 69) to Lebanese news site Al Mayadeen that some 25 percent of Americans are prepared to violently overthrow the US govt..

  109. cranc says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Thanks for the reply.

    Just to be clear, I am not aware of any Steve Bannon videos. I was just making the point that in the Ron Unz Bioweapon Attack Theory of Covid, the absurd videos that you mention from Senger’s book are discounted by him as creations of ‘Bannon or someone like him’. They clearly are not, and that makes a mockery of the theory.

    I am on the fence about virology generally, as are an increasingly large number of people these days. Certainly the history of viruses being attributed causes of disease panics and the attendant public health response is one of lies and corruption, whatever the true cause of those diseases.

  110. eah says:
    @picture111

    And Frankly, China has NO such skill to invent this kind of bioweapon Virus, even if they wanted to, …

    link

    At the link above is an earlier (2020) comment of mine where I refer to a 2008 paper published by researchers working at the Wuhan Institute of Virology — from that comment I excerpt my summary of the paper’s abstract:

    So back in 2008, researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology converted a SARS-like coronavirus (SL-CoV) found in bats, which was not able to infect humans, into a virus that could infect humans by changing its (spike) protein cover (S) to include an amino acid sequence from HIV.

  111. @interesting

    If CCP leadership publicly acknowledges the US bio-attack on China, it’s morally incumbent upon them to retaliate and start a full-fledged war against the US++ alliance. Perhaps leadership thinks the timing is not right, and a full-blown war would endanger their citizens even more.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  112. Ron Unz says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    He is, after all, still the man that, along with Larry Summers, got a sizable cut of the billions that he and Summers “redirected” from Yeltsin’s Russia.

    Sachs certainly played a central role in the Yeltsin’s Russia privatization disaster. But I’ve never heard any claims that he personally benefited financially. So you have any source for that?

    I don’t think there’s any hard evidence implicating Summers either, but his subsequent behavior has always left me extremely suspicious. As I wrote:

    In the past, Summers has been somewhat less hesitant in assisting the rich, such as when he used \$26.5 million of Harvard funds to settle a government insider-trading case against one of his closest friends, who thereby perhaps avoided a long prison sentence as a result. This was one of the major factors leading to a massive faculty revolt against Summers and his forced resignation as Harvard president, an event probably without precedent in Harvard history. Although personal friendship is surely priceless, Summers must have realized he was risking his presidency over that decision, and I’ve always half-suspected that he’d himself been a silent partner in that insider-trading ring, and was therefore blackmailed into using tens of millions in Harvard’s endowment money to save his friend from the slammer lest he end up wearing pinstripes himself.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-meritocracy-revisited/#defeat-aftermath-and-epilogue

    • Replies: @Pierre de Craon
  113. Ron Unz says:
    @Indignant of Maidstone

    The Jeffrey Sachs view has made it to England, into the Daily Mail

    Thanks for the tip. The Daily Mail has huge global reach and often provides the stories too hot for the rest of the MSM, so this could be a major breakthrough. I’m also glad that the DM adopted the more likely accurate version of Sachs’ remarks.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10980715/Covid-leaked-AMERICAN-lab-claims-professor-Jeffrey-Sachs.html

    Meanwhile, the clip has been Retweeted more than 10K times, with views approaching 1M.

  114. Rahan says:
    @Levtraro

    By the way, there were some very nice outcomes from free market reforms in Russia during the 90s, the most important of which was the transfer of the whole real estate stock from State to citizens for a token amount of money.

    Undeniable. To this day the highest home-ownership levels are in the former commie countries.
    https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/home-ownership-rate

    A true bonus among all the chaos and collapse of the time. The naive devils still tend to think this is a natural dividend of choosing the western system and have little idea that the holy west has to break its back to afford a home.

  115. Ron Unz says:
    @picture111

    Thanks for saying that. and that is only one of the several U.S. pre-Covid 19 exercises, others include Event 201, Crimson Contagion (maybe this is the one you are talking about?), DoD’s Dark Winter…

    Sure, I was referring to the Crimson Contagion exercise run by biowarfare advocate Robert Kadlec, whose timing and scenario is exceptionally suspicious. But most of those other exercises that attract chatter on the Internet are much less so.

    After all, with SARS and MERS, it’s perfectly reasonable that international bodies would hold lots of disease epidemic exercises over the years and the decades, so there’s nothing necessarily suspicious about that. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if groups influenced by the conspirators played up the WEF Event 201 exercise on the Internet in order to divert conspiracy-activists in foolish directions. It’s like those efforts to promote Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab as obvious red herrings.

    not to mention what happened to those thousands of so called e-Cig pneumonia cases in dozens of U.S. states,which shows exact similar lung images as those who suffered from Covid-19.

    The claim that the 2019 vaping deaths in America were due to Covid, sometimes promoted by pro-China propaganda-activists, is just total nonsense. I’ve discussed the issue at length in one of my articles:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-covid-epidemic-as-lab-leak-or-biowarfare/#promoting-a-ft-detrick-lab-leak-as-a-failure-of-nerve

  116. Ron Unz says:
    @China Silence

    If CCP leadership publicly acknowledges the US bio-attack on China, it’s morally incumbent upon them to retaliate and start a full-fledged war against the US++ alliance. Perhaps leadership thinks the timing is not right, and a full-blown war would endanger their citizens even more.

    Sure, that’s very reasonable. Furthermore, the PRC wouldn’t have any hard proof while America totally dominates the global MSM, and could spin the accusations as proof of China’s insanity.

    Anyway, the Iranian leadership did publicly accuse the United States of a biowarfare attack, and what good did that do?

    As another example, the Russians claim to have found hard documentary evidence that America was preparing biowarfare attacks against Russia from the Ukraine labs. How much benefit has Russia gotten from those accusations?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  117. vinteuil says:

    Would this be the same Jeffrey Sachs who did everything he could, in the wake of the fall of the USSR, to screw over the Russian people & shovel every last penny into the pockets of his co-ethnic oligarchs?

  118. @Wizard of Oz

    actively malignant American activity

    Business as usual. Bomb the Asians. Attack Africa. Milk Europe. Bully Japan. Threaten China. Weaponise the Ukraine. Bomb the Ocean. USers!

    • Agree: Jim H
  119. @Ron Unz

    So do you have any source for that?

    Frankly, no. I neither am nor was a close student of the matter, and I took Novak’s word for it. As he was a close student, I still do—subject to authoritative correction.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  120. @Daniel Dravot

    Three words: US, lab, technology.
    So it’s “tech”.
    It’s “lab”, not outdoor stuff.
    and “US”, not China, Russia, or (for once) “israel”.

  121. fran says:
    @Daniel Dravot

    Why would you take the word of a (french?) non-native English speaker

    I think Arnaud Bertrand is a German retired intelligence officer.

    • Replies: @Daniel Dravot
  122. @Ulf Thorsen

    Covid-19 does not exist period , and is the biggest scam and psyop in the history of the world and the PCR test is not to be used to identify diseases per Dr. Kerry Mullis who conviently died in August 2019.

    • Agree: Towey
  123. fran says:
    @Thirdtwin

    Nudelman-Cohen tripped over her own lies when she voiced concerns that the purportedly harmless biological research facilities would fall into Russian hands. Her discomfort upon realizing that she fumbled the answer were evident in her uncharacteristically squirmy disposition. That woman’s demonic inner character has manifested in her increasingly repulsive physical appearance.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  124. THE COVID PYRAMID OF DEEP KNOWLEDGE:
    ONLY THE MOST BASED AND BRILLIANT MINDS GET TO THE TOP:

                                NOTHING EXISTS
                             VIRUSES DON’T EXIST
                         COVID ==HOAX, NO VIRUS
                     IT’S AMERICAN BIO WARFARE !!!!        <– Despite 240 IQ Unz is stuck here
                 IT WAS LEAKED ACCIDENT BY US LAB
            IT WAS LEAKED DELIBERATELY WUHAN LAB
        IT WAS ACCIDENTALLY LEAKED FROM WUHAN LAB
    IT WAS CHINESE BAT SOUP AND FILTHY MARKET BY CHINA

  125. @Towey

    The CDC, British and Irish governments, under FOI requests, the CMO of the state of Alberta, Canada, in court, have admitted that the virus has never been isolated or quantified. It doesn’t exist.

    I prefer the conspiracy theory that the folks in Ft Detrick know what they are doing when it comes viruses and not your conspiracy theory.

    I never said anything about PCR tests and I know they are essentially useless in detecting SARS-C0V-2 especially at the cycle thresholds they used, but the fact that you mentioned it suggests that you actually do believe the virus exists.

    I tend to think that there wasn’t a real pandemic just a normal viral pneumonia season exacerbated by the authorities so that lots of people died who did not need to die.

    • Replies: @Towey
  126. Al Liguori says: • Website

    Code of Jewish Law Shulchan-Aruch (“The Set Table”): No 81:

    “It is allowed for a Jew to test on Akum (non-Jews) whether a medicine brings health or death.”

    Machine translation of paragraph 6: http://christian-spirit.ru/v105/105-3.htm

  127. fran says:
    @Levtraro

    The harm was done by locals. The rotten oligarchs that came out as winners were Russian citizens that took advantage of Russian errors and corruption.

    It was heavy corruption on both sides that facilitated the botched privatization and asset stripping. The would-be oligarchs were financed by western capital to circumvent regulations on foreign ownership of state assets. As the population rapidly fell into poverty during the transition period, foreign money (using the Russian-Jewish oligarchs as a conduit) bought up all the citizen-owned shares of state assets for pennies on the dollar as people were desperate for money to survive. Much of the foreign capital that enabled this predatory privatization came directly from the US government via misappropriated loans and grants. Ultimately greed was the chief culprit, but it was western interests that enabled the exploitative opportunities in the first place.

  128. @Levtraro

    The DIA supposed warning could, as I have pointed out, easily have been a plot to plant evidence which would damage Trump. Also, if you consider what a single Christian woman superspreader dif in South Korea you would consider a superspreader returning from picking up the infection at Qom as explanation for the breakout in Iran.

  129. @picture111

    Hmm.

    that U.S. embassy sent a Dedicated helicopter the very second morning, BEFORE the hospital had a chance to take blood sample for those U.S soldiers.

    Sounds fishy. The US Embassy in Beijing was able to send a quite large helicopter straight down to Wuhan……Yeah, pull the other one.

  130. As I previously commented at Unz almost one year ago, a virologist David Baltimore, former President of CalTech posted his opine to the Bulletin Of Atomic Scientists… I’m paraphrasing him here: I saw the “furin cleavage site” (referring to COVID) in the viral sequence thus, not of natural origin… aka created in a lab and he knew at once that it was a smoking gun revealing the origin of this virus. Further a second renowned expert, a former CDC director Dr. Robert Redfield, said in a widely publicized interview that no other SARS related virus has acquired this furin cleavage site or why the COVID genetic sequence is composed of human preferred codons.

    Zerohedge articles written by Tyler Durden, early in 2020 and similar inquires by journalists such as Spiro Skouras, suggest that deliberate genetic manipulation may be at the root of the COVID outbreak. Visit those interviews of Dr. Francis Boyle (who may be a CIA asset?-interviewed at Geopolitics and Empire) nevertheless is definitely a bio-weapons expert and worth listening to. Boyle speculated that the COVID-19 strain may be a direct result of an accidental release from a biological BSL 3 and or 4 level research lab in Wuhan China where previous corona virus strains were manipulated for “gain of function” thus, given attributes that can only increase viral lethality….but then again who really knows? The Chinese examined over eighty thousand species of animals looking for a plausible link between the transmission of COVID from animal to man however found none.

    To think that we’d need to send a bunch of military trainees to infect the Chinese public was, on the face of it, totally absurd. Why not just intercept a snail mail family letter exchanged between a Chinese here going to Wuhan and contaminate it with COVID-19? Besides, why was the COVID strain detected in Italy early in 2021 so distinctly different from the Chinese Wuhan virus?

    Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has made tremendous inroads into probing for COVID origins and mismanagement(s). Here’s a quote from an article published by him in October 2010; “It falls upon the leadership of the U.S. Congress to accept its moral duty and God-given and legally pre-ordained responsibility to launch complete and transparent investigations. If we do nothing, history will hold us and our system of government accountable,”

    The Kennedy web page is worth viewing: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/press-release/robert-f-kennedy-jr-and-childrens-health-defense-call-for-congressional-investigation-of-covid-origin/

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  131. @vinteuil

    Correct, that would be (((him))).

    Andrew Anglin has it right on this, as usual

    https://stormer-daily.rw/top-jew-claims-us-made-covid-19-in-a-lab/

    which after a vividly accurate illustration starts out with these two sentences

    The Jews will do anything to keep people believing there is such a thing as a “novel coronavirus pandemic.”

    They will even just go ahead and blame themselves if it keeps people from saying “it’s just the flu.”

    and contains this punch line

    None of this is ever going to end until it’s over. The Ukraine thing can’t go on forever, and they’re going to have to do something different. So it’s either back to racism or back to coronavirus. Or, you know – total economic collapse.

  132. I don’t believe it was Wuhan or Ft Dietrich or US Ukranian Biolabs. I think the virus was largely developed on the west coast in the Bay Area. As for the “Vaccine” – maybe an “original” version was developed in a midwestern state and in the San Diego area. Just a wild guess!

  133. @nsa

    Correct, as expressed in response to vinteuil’s similar observation below.

  134. Anon[282] • Disclaimer says:

    The continuing story of a journalistic quack who has gone to the dogs…

    If your idea of validation is the echo of a Russia-backed source that’s openly engaged in an all-out propaganda war with the US, based on one summary article containing one specious comment from a dignitary with zero additional evidence, where said comment amounts at best to nothing more than a cry for more institutional transparency… Uhhh, Cheers!

    But just by simple logic, you should also consider contrary views based on more substantial evidence, like:

    INFECTION OF WILDLIFE BIOLOGIST HIGHLIGHTS RISKS OF VIRUS HUNTINGA graduate student fell ill with a novel virus after working with wild bats in Uganda and Sudan.
    https://theintercept.com/2022/07/02/virus-infection-bat-biosafety/

    Nostradamus Ron keeps beating a drum hoping some part of his fabrications resonate by sheer luck.

    And he might turn out to be partly right, not because of insightful analysis, but just by betting the odds. But if so, this project is a meaningless exercise because at its center of activity the drumbeat is just the sound from throwing glop at a wall to see if it sticks.

    Anyone who confuses Ron’s crackpot quasi-libertarian conspiracy emanations with journalism deserves the GOP and the degraded America we enjoy today.

  135. Towey says:
    @Peripatetic Commenter

    It is a VERIFIABLE FACT that the CDC, British and Irish governments under FOI requests and the CMO of the state of Alberta, Canada, in court, have all admitted that the virus has not been isolated or quantified. So the virus does not exist.
    It is a VERIFIABLE FACT that in 2020 the world population grew by 1,05%.. There was no pandemic.
    I don’t deal in conspiracy theories.

  136. @Dr. IV

    Based on your stated qualifications as to your personal “knowledge” [living near FtD ahem], I’m increasingly persuaded that Ft Detrick was indeed the source of cov19 and multiple other pathogens. Thanks for supplying secondary data.

  137. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Hey, before your narrative gets too for out ahead of you, (i.e. – your narrative of – ‘sars-cov-2 as American neocon bioweapon aimed at international geopolitical adversaries’), ….. you are gonna end up making wonky conclusions, if you fail now, to go to part B of the needed detective work.

    Mr. Unz, the thing to do now, holding-feet-to-the fire of the perps, would be to hammer the entire Covid Officialdom with the biologics knowledge base, that indicates that:

    [MORE]

    If sars-cov-2 is bioweapon, then western experimental vaxxes (actually gene therapies) is bioweapon.

    When are you going to get on with that part of the required detective effort? Your continued silence in that regards could very easily begin to look like obfuscation by many (including myself). Are you obfuscating or not? Are you downplaying the very high probability of the above noted blockquote? If so, then in my estimation, that would amount to obfuscating. But you have chosen to remain silent on this issue, for a very long time now. As such, are you trying to obfuscate that you are obfuscating? Or what?

    By way of example on the ‘your narrative getting too far out ahead of you’, China Silences’ and your comments about CCP, perhaps still sitting on their hands, with respect to calling the western neocon bioweapon spade, a spade, …. well, …. perhaps not so obviously immoral on the CCP’s part (but it is immoral nevertheless, given all the covid death and hardship occurring outside of China, which was the vast majority of it, …. keeping all those non-Chinese people in the dark about what is what around that, is just fine – huh?), if you limit your discussion to just sars-cov-2 as bioweapon, but, ….. if the western experimental vaxxes, by logical extension, must then be deemed bioweapons as well, then CCP’s keeping mum about that, makes them mum on the vaxxes too, and if this all turns out to be bioweaponized – (i.e. – if sars-cov-2, then the western experimental vaxxes bioweaponized as well), then the CCP doesn’t look so innocent anymore – eh? (which they don’t look innocent, even without this second part of the discussion, once properly analyzed).

    Look, cut to the chase already. What precisely are you implying? That sars-cov-2 is a bioweapon but the western experimental vaxxes derived from the pathogenic component of sars-cov-2 (spike), for forced metabolic expression, are not? How does the logic of that argument work?

    Also …. you are too quick to excuse CCP for immorality. You know this Rodney Dangerfield thing…. ‘We, the CCP, ain’t get no respect , therefore we be giant assholes, …. westerners, we’ll wait till you get raped by your demented globalists, because they tried to rape us, and we was too smart and avoided, but you, … hahahahaha! ….. we gloating bigtime on the rape-orama you people are suffering over there. Hahahahaha!. For more than 2 years already!! Hahahahaha!!! Still won’t tell. Need some more death and destruction to laugh about. We didn’t get our fill of gloat-jollies yet!!! It really is just too funny, we at the CCP are rolling on the floor laughing at you dupes of the globalists, for more than 2 years already. Hahahaha!!!!! It’s another Rodney Dangerfield cynico-surreality Oliver-Stone-style, with Chinese characteristics!’

    You really want to put that type of crap in the mouths of CCP, as their defense? Why would you think that is ‘a defense’? The CCP, pretty much at the same level of nastiness as our faux-west globalists then – eh?

    All in all, something doesn’t add up here. What does add up?: ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ therefore ‘western experimental vaxxes as bioweapons’ + ‘CCP is mum’ = ‘we still don’t know the true unfolding agenda, however both the faux-western globalists as well as the CCP are implicated in said agenda’.

    More than two years later and we still don’t know if the true unfolding agenda is a depopulation agenda. That idea is so crazy I am prone to just dismiss it out of hand. But more than two years later, and it is the only agenda-probability that fits what has actually happened and is continuing to happen. It’s just so crazy. I think in the end, we are all going to be very surprised, just what level of nastiness is at play here. It is starting to appear that the eugenicists are in the process of attempting to create a two-tier humanity, transhumanist-style, with the shitty life-shortening, life-denying, and life-dehancing transhumanist overlays and overwrites (as well as constant doses of covert experimentation) intended for most everyone, and the life-extending, life-affirming, life-enhancing transhumanist overlays and overwrites, for the select eugenicist elites. It’s probably just a hubristic wet-dream, and sure to fail, but those slated for life-reduction, you would think, should rebel anyway. I sure hope it isn’t this, … but it is time to consider, …. it might be.

    • Replies: @China Silence
  138. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:

    A vast Western conspiracy, aggression against most of the planet: WEF, the WHO, Gates, Schlob, Fauci, pharma, scientists, med assocs, elected/appointed officials, media, more, all played their parts.

    Developed in US.

  139. Ron Unz says:
    @Pierre de Craon

    Frankly, no. I neither am nor was a close student of the matter, and I took Novak’s word for it. As he was a close student, I still do—subject to authoritative correction.

    It was almost thirty years ago and are you really sure you’re not confusing Sachs with Andrei Shleifer? Both were Jewish Harvard economists heavily involved in Russian privatization, and Shleifer would have gone to prison for insider-trading if his best friend Larry Summer’s hadn’t bailed him out with \$26 million of Harvard’s endowment.

    For example, I just recently read Naomi Klein’s book The Shock Doctrine, and she’s ferociously hostile to Sachs, who is one of the main villains of her story, but she never even hints that he personally benefited financially from his policies. Perhaps you could hunt around a little and try to find that Novak accusation.

  140. Ron Unz says:
    @picture111

    They are all in Chinese, here are google translated

    here are several posts,

    I looked at a couple of those Chinese webpages, and they mostly seem to be citing the conspiracy-theories of Western websites, most of which aren’t well thought or even ridiculous. Random nonsense gets on Western Internet websites and Chinese websites probably aren’t much different.

    For example, early on I remember seeing lots of chatter about an Internet article claiming that the American military servicemen had been staying at a hotel close to the Hainan market and several of them became sick. I’d never known whether it was accurate so I just ignored it, but various commenters here have quoted it. But then a few months ago, one of the big Chinese newspapers sent a couple of journalists to investigate the original Wuhan outbreak, and that story turned out to be entirely fraudulent.

    So if pro-China propaganda-activists publish fraudulent articles on Western websites, it’s hardly surprising if what they say would occasionally leak into Chinese social media and the Internet.

    In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if a certain amount of those Chinese stories came from articles published on this website or by Larry Romanoff when was still writing for Global Research since we certainly got a lot of Chinese traffic early in the epidemic.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  141. Ron Unz says:
    @Indignant of Maidstone

    The Jeffrey Sachs view has made it to England, into the Daily Mail, there to be read by the lower classes

    For those who don’t know, the Daily Mail has enormous reach on the Internet, with total traffic more than 2x that of the Washington Post, 5x that of the Wall Street Journal, and about 2/3rds that of the New York Times.

    The story’s been up less than 12 hours but has already attracted 1700 comments, so this is potentially a very big deal indeed.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  142. This research driven by jews because of their paranoia regarding Middle East Respiratory Syndrome MERS.
    The world in every way is polluted by the jewish plastic demon of decay.

    • Replies: @anon
  143. What you suggest is by no means impossible, yet I wouldn’t bet on it. I clearly recall the fuss over Shleifer, especially its consequences for Summers, but I think that it might have taken me an hour to dredge Shleifer’s name up from memory had you not just tipped me off to it.

    You probably recall that, along with their column—which I first started reading in the old New York Herald Tribune when I was in college in the early sixties—Evans and Novak had a CNN interview program that began airing in the mid-eighties. At some point in the nineties, as Evans’s health began to decline, either CNN or Novak decided to introduce Al Hunt and Mark Shields as counterfoils to Novak. It was that period, the mid- to late nineties, with which I most closely associate Novak’s jeremiads against Summers and Sachs. I might be misremembering, but they seemed to be fiercest when Evans, whose presence always seemed to cool Novak down, was not sitting with him at the table.*

    As you ask, I’ll look through notes and letters from back then to see whether I can find something, anything, both more specific and genuinely relevant.
    _____
    *The fact that I loathed Mark Shields, that classic Boston Irish bullshitter, is a necessary admission against interest. Oddly, for roughly ten years, I used to see him occasionally at Sunday Mass in August and September in the town of Yarmouth on Cape Cod, where I was lucky enough to vacation thanks to a dear old property-owning friend from whom I have been, after 55 years, estranged by politics. On several occasions, I considered asking Shields where he got the nerve to go to the communion rail, given the unspeakable immorality of his views. The thing about buttonholing someone at Mass, however, is that the only Questioner who actually matters is on record opposing gratuitous rudeness there.

  144. @Ron Unz

    Come on-you know he’ll be dismissed as a ‘Xi propagandist’. I’ll be gobsmacked if it is ever mentioned in the Austrayan MSM sewer. No room, amidst the love-fest for Ukrainian Nazis, revitalised CoViD19 hysteria, and hatred for Russia, China and Julian Assange.

  145. @elmerfudzie

    Zero Hedge is a sewer publishing ‘Epoch Time’ (Fa Lun Gong ie CIA)anti-Chinese disinfo. Credibility-ZERO, oddly enough.

  146. @fran

    Just like Madeleine Albright. Do you know Davros, creator of the Daleks? He and Madeleine Albright were never photographed in a room together. Their private assignations produced the aforementioned Daleks.

  147. I don’t see the point of insinuating that COVID 19 was intentionally designed as a bio-weapon. A colloquial expression come to mind, the familiar California saying- whatever goes around comes around. A more appropriate one would be the use of Chlorine gas on the battlefield, where the Germans forgot about the possibility of a sudden reversal in wind direction and found themselves inhaling gas intended to incapacitate the enemy. Or better still, the deployment of a U.S. Army (quite small) tripod launcher, atomic munitions missile, the Davy Crockett, intended to stop any Russian troop onslaught over the East-West German border (circa early 1960’s). In the end, our generals had to be re-schooled in the extremely difficult science of predicting air turbulence, where blindness, burns, “hot particles” and hard radiation would fall equally on friend and foe alike. Needless to say, the weapon was scrubbed from any future conflict scenario. Today, the targeting of key government officials or military could be done with endotoxins or exotoxins derived from mother nature, such as ricin, Clostridium or Saxitoxin. These could have been delivered by snail mail, food or placed onto surface areas near the intended target, all this without the boomerang effects in the examples I provided. Pick your fall guy, e.g., internal malcontents within the military, covert op’s by “terrorists”, domestic political competitors…Additional information can be gleaned from https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/intro/bio_tox.htm

  148. @Wild Man

    Vaccines have adverse effects, both short and long terms. The frequency and extent of those damages can be debated and will never be fully known because TPTB will never do proper controlled studies.

    But the vaccines are not the same bioweapons that different variants of Covid are. Even different variants of Covid are very different in their pathogenic potential.

    Vaccines help us develop antibodies by expressing Spike proteins which bind to ACE2 receptor cells. Spike proteins can themselves be pathogenic to some extent, but the full genome of different variants contain other toxic and pathogenic elements which are suppressed in vaccines, or even across different Covid variants.

    For example, there were some discussions around SEB toxin, which is a known toxin produced by bacteria that cause Staph infections, and how it was turned on in Wuhan and Delta strains, but turned off in Omicron.

    https://clownbasket.substack.com/p/covid-18-omicron-and-some-things

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  149. @fran

    As I said, non-native English speaker whose listening skills have evident room for improvement.

    Whilst it doesn’t diminish what Sachs actually said, highlighting what some German thinks someone said in English detracts from its impact.

  150. Levtraro says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    No.

    Especially the Chinese and Indian vaccines, totally conventional biotechnology.

    Only Westerners and western-loving Asians plus Israelites have been given the never-before-used in humans mRNA substances in large proportions.

    What we have is a clear geographical experiment.

    The Western world + Western-loving Asians with mRNA substances mostly, mixed with monkey-based adenovector vaccine. The Russian world received a different, human-based adenovector vaccine, Chinese and Indians have been treated to their own inactivated virus variants. LatAm is a mixture, with Chinese, Western and Russian vaccines. Africa is a mixture, with mRNA and monkey-based adenovector. And all those regiones have varying but sometimes high proportion of unvaccinated individuals.

    In the coming years there will be a number of statistical modelling studies following all these cohorts and the Western cohort will be labelled “mRNA innoculated”.

  151. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    from PNAC of “new Pearl Harbor” infamy: “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.

    https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/page/n71/mode/2up/search/specific+genotypes

    • Thanks: geokat62, Iris
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  152. Wild Man says:
    @China Silence

    Thanks for the link. Interesting read. The main thrust of the contents of your link, is that sars-cov-2 is most definitely, lab engineered.

    A couple of points on your claim, though:

    “Spike proteins can themselves be pathogenic to some extent, but the full genome of different variants contain other toxic and pathogenic elements which are suppressed in vaccines, or even across different Covid variants.”

    The link you provided outlines the extremely high probabilities that sars-cov-2 was lab-engineered. Your claim insinuates that different variants contain other toxic and pathogenic elements not specific to spike. But your link does not support that. Your link supports a slightly different claim, that there appears to be a swiss-army-knife of varieties of pathogenic routes, as most highly probably lab-engineered, within sars-cov-2 genome, but all specific to spike, with a variety of clades either tamping down, or tamping up of each specific spike-pathogenic-route.

    As well, your thusly corrected claim insinuates that these spike-specific swiss-army-knife of varieties of pathogenic routes, as most highly probably lab-engineered, within sars-cov-2 genome, but all specific to spike, …. are suppressed in vaccines. But where is your evidence for this claim? Alternatively, should we not dismiss your claim that lab-engineered spike pathogenesis of various routes (swiss-army-knife-style) is suppressed in the western experimental covid vaxxes, because indeed these vaxxes force the metabolic expression of the swiss-army knife of varieties of pathogenic routes, as most highly probably lab-engineered, within sars-cov-2 genome, of the original sars-cov-2 clade spike (only slightly modified for enhanced spike-expression durability)?

    As such, my claim stands, that Mr. Unz is remiss in his ongoing failure to address the direct link between sars-cov-2 pathogenesis (by way of spike pathogenesis of various routes, swiss-army-knife-style) and the western experimental vaxxes, which of course, by pure logic, must also contain the potential for pathogenesis, specific to spike. It is very weird to me that Mr. Unz has been most adamant, over about a year now, in completely avoiding this portion of the discussion, despite people like me, regularly pointing out to him, that this approach doesn’t look too smart, and as such, this being Mr. Unz and all (i.e. – smart), … perhaps a sign of obfuscation of unknown motivation.

    • Replies: @China Silence
    , @Ron Unz
  153. anon[388] • Disclaimer says:
    @Clyde Barrow

    This research driven by jews because of their paranoia regarding Middle East Respiratory Syndrome MERS.

    Especially, since Yid not of ME but are vampires from Transylvania.

  154. W says:
    @MLK

    It all comes down to trying to unseat a Zionist shill who sold out his country to Big Pharma.

  155. @Wizard of Oz

    I had a case of Covid about 3 months ago and I believe the claims that my mild discomfort was only mild because I was thrice vaccinated.

    I have not been vaccinated and had a case of Covid 6 months or so ago. I believe that my mild discomfort was the result of following the treatment protocol of the Front Line doctors. Ivermectin, etc….

    Those in my neighborhood who have been vaxxed have ended up in the hospital after vaccination and have also had a rough go of it after they caught Covid…

  156. hillaire says:
    @Levtraro

    Great… the tag team has arrived (and not before time) and with old Ron himself that will make a full house..

    three jews…. four opinions…

    All of them nonsense…

    • Troll: Levtraro
  157. Dumbo says:

    I think Mr. Unz has not realized, but most people – excepting the governments of a few countries such as Canada and Germany, but those are really just American colonies — are sick and tired of COVID, masks, tests, vaccines and all that crap.

    If they pull that insanity again next Fall, on top of inflation and all the other bad things, I think there are going to be riots that will put the Floyd protesters to shame. Or, at least, I hope so. Perhaps people are terminally idiotized and the end is near.

  158. @Wild Man

    More than a billion mRNA vaccine doses have been administered. If vaccines caused as much immediate damage as the virus did, there is absolutely no way we would not have known that. This to me is the biggest evidence of vaccine being relatively safer than the virus.

    Short-term adverse effects of vaccines are very different from the symptoms of various Covid bio-weapons. Part of that is the different mechanism through which the vaccine spike and virus spike enter the body – respiratory tract vs. shoulder muscles. But part of it is biochemistry too.

    1) Not all of pathogenicity of Covid bioweapons can be attributed to spike protein.

    2) Spike protein from vaccine is locked in pre-fusion state as a result of inserting 2P (proline) mutation which is absent in virus spike because of which virus spike can fuse into receptor cells and damage tissue

    3) the amount of spike expressed by vaccine is lower than that expressed by a full viral invasion and most of the spike expressed stay local to shoulder muscles and cleaned up in a few days. Some spike has been found in bloodstream but amount and duration should be lower than that of virus.

    I am worried about long-term damage the vaccine can cause to cardiovascular system and its carcinogenic potential by immune suppression. But short-term it’s pretty clear the vaccine is not as dangerous as being infected by the bioweapon, especially the Wuhan and delta version of the weapon, not Omicron.

  159. Renoman says:

    Right on Ron! You rule.

  160. Wild Man says:
    @China Silence

    Thanks for the reply. You make some good points. However, I don’t know what you mean by point #1, ….. could you please elaborate. Would you agree that there is no sars-cov-2 pathogenesis that does not feature spike as pathway to said pathogenesis? However, that there is also evidence that isolated spike itself features within certain pathways to pathogenesis? I believe the other components of sars-cov-2, cannot act alone with respect to instigating pathogenesis, do you not agree? As well, just to clarify my specific claim about “varieties of pathogenic routes, as most highly probably lab-engineered, within sars-cov-2 genome, but all specific to spike”, ….. I am claiming that the link you referenced and provided, said no more than that, and so, if you are claiming beyond that, please elaborate.

    [MORE]

    On your point #3, …. that is interesting. Once I began to more seriously drill down on the metabolic and immunologic issues surrounding sars-cov-2 and the vaccines, …. I believe that was back in May or June/21, within comments I made, here at this site, …. one of the interesting early things I ran across, which I posted, was that sars-cov-1 does not feature spike expression within non-respiratory-tract and non-gut endothelial tissue (even though, upon infection, the virus is found in the blood, and even though the virus features interface with the ACE2 receptor, which endothelial cells are rich in), and that sars-cov-2 appears to be behave similarly. Is this wrong? Do you have evidence otherwise? Of course, there have been a small percentage of very severe cases that featured sars-cov-2 systemic involvement and infection, throughout most of the body (beyond gut and respiratory tract, … but with the proviso that, for sars-cov-2, it is also common for some involvement of the olfactory sensory and nervous apparatus). But my understanding is this getting into endothelial tissue, outside of the respiratory tract and the gut, is highly unusual for both sars-cov-1 and sars-cov-2. This, my current understanding on this narrow topic (as just described), if I am correct with respect to what I just described, then, this means that the vaxxes have enabled a route towards systemic pathogenesis in some unlucky jabees, who find nanolipid capsule bleed-out into the circulatory system (which does indeed occur as you said, or if you didn’t mean precisely that, note that this indeed does occur to at least some degree, but perhaps to a larger degree for some unlucky people), whereby nanolipid will deliver mRNA package to endothelial cells throughout the body potentially, including organs potentially, for forced metabolic spike protein expression within these much less tolerant body-systems. There seems to be two issues here, …. first of all, in some very unlucky people, the jab-bleed out into the circulatory system is very fast, in which case the nanolipid capsule concentration within these vessels would be immediately very high, perhaps leading to grievous localized endothelial damage, which then goes on to cause a cascade of immunologic response, that in of itself seems to be very problematic. Jab deaths have resulted. It looks like, as per contextualization of Vaers and the other similar voluntary reporting systems in the EU and UK, for ‘attributed deaths’, that the death rate on average of all the western experimental vaxxes, is 1 per 25,000 double-jabbed, and this is before the under-reporting is accounted for (if any, ….. but it is shaping up that there indeed is some significant under-reporting on these voluntary systems). Then the second issue with regards to the vaxx potential to express in body systems for which sars-cov-2 does not normally involve, is that for an unknown percentage of people (with the potential for this percentage to be non-trivial), the bleed-out into either the circulatory system, or the lymph system, will occur very slowly, and as such the systemic endothelial expression of spike, will be much more manageable by immune system, …. but the caveat here is, there is potentially some systemic damage that occurs, albeit sparsely spaced, but yet within highly sensitive, pathogenesis-wise, body systems (blood, endothelial tissue, blood components such as immune cells potentially?, ACE2 dis-regulation, various organ systems, possible platelet dis-regulation), …. and we do not yet know what the average damage will be, how temporary it is, or alternatively how chronic it is, …. in other words, we don’t yet know how, or if, this will cause long-term all-cause mortality to change (which, by the way, looks to be going severely in the wrong direction, amongst younger cohorts, since the 4th quarter of 2021). So, in summary, though there is some metabolic or immunologic processes that I have not been able to identify yet, that normally blocks sars-cov-1/sars-cov-2 interface with endothelial ACE2 receptors in tissue outside of the respiratory tract and the gut, ….. the vaxxes’ nanolipid delivery system, into endothelial cells, and various other associated circulatory cells, is not limited like that. And that appears to be a pretty big problem.

    On this passage of your overall comment:

    “I am worried about long-term damage the vaccine can cause to cardiovascular system and its carcinogenic potential by immune suppression”

    Yes, I concur completely.

    On this passage of your overall comment:

    “But short-term it’s pretty clear the vaccine is not as dangerous as being infected by the bioweapon, especially the Wuhan and delta version of the weapon, not Omicron.”

    Well, I think that depends upon on how healthy you are (i.e. – free of co-morbidities) and how young you are. Look, back in May/21 and then June/21 I did my own easy peasy calculations, which I posted within comments at this site at that time, using the info coming out of Israel at that time, about the quantified 7x superior immunity of recovery from wild covid infection vs. vaxx immunity, and using the voluntary reporting systems contextualized for ‘attributed deaths’, showing 1 per 25,000 double-jabbed, and also using the breakdowns for sars-cov-2 IFRs for each age cohort, it was very easy to calculate the self-interest quotient, for each aged cohort, for a vaxx program vs. a ‘seek herd immunity by way of natural infection’ program, in terms of person-years of life lost or saved, showing that, as of that time (when the vaxxes were still showing some efficacy against infection, albeit , even then, that was 7x less effective than a recovery from a wild infection), that there was a negative self-interest quotient for vaxx-taking for all the age cohorts under the age of 30. Since then, many months ago, that has changed to ‘no self-interest quotient, on average, for under 50 year-olds’, due to the falling and abysmal efficacy of the vaxxes over time, without boosters (for which the drop off in efficacy is even more severe, for the boosters, and progressively so). I am pretty sure we are close to the point now, that this doesn’t help anybody anymore, even the older folk, even for ‘reduced disease severity’. It’s probably close to all downside for everyone by now (all risk associated with the extremely high levels of adverse effects including death, with no benefit).

    On this passage of your overall comment:

    “More than a billion mRNA vaccine doses have been administered. If vaccines caused as much immediate damage as the virus did, there is absolutely no way we would not have known that. This to me is the biggest evidence of vaccine being relatively safer than the virus.”

    Wrong. I did the math, like I said above, back in May and then June/21. The vaccines in fact do bring more harm to almost all the aged cohorts, vs. the risk of covid harm, as measured in terms of person years of life lost or saved. Initially it was just bad, self-interest-wise, for under 30 year olds. But like I said, because the vaxx efficacy wanes so fast, when properly measuring this over longer time frames, it starts to become all risk and no reward. And the risks are substantial.

    On this passage of your overall comment:

    “Short-term adverse effects of vaccines are very different from the symptoms of various Covid bio-weapons. Part of that is the different mechanism through which the vaccine spike and virus spike enter the body – respiratory tract vs. shoulder muscles. But part of it is biochemistry too.”

    I pretty much agree, but just so you don’t misinterpret my meaning, I think it would be better for me to restate, what you said there, for more precision, as follows:

    “Short-term adverse effects of the western experimental sars-cov-2 vaccines are very different from the symptoms of the various sars-cov-2 clades, even though, both obtain their pathogenic power, by way of lab-engineered spike protein genome, rendering both potential bio-weapons. Part of that (difference in effects) is the different mechanism through which the vaccine spike and virus spike enter the body – respiratory tract vs. shoulder muscles. But part of it is biochemistry too.”

    So, that leaves your point #2 (best for last). There is evidence that the vaxx spike expressed on cell surface can break off and cause havoc all by itself:

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/pay-no-attention-to-the-spike-proteins

    This is the question I put to a supposed biologics expert, named ‘That Would Be Telling’, back on Sept 7/21, within a comment thread at this site (but I never received an answer):

    Why would vaxx-mediated artificially expressed spike protein, on cell surface, break-off? Bonding issue? What is the nature of this bonding issue? Does said bonding issue feature pre-fusion vs. post-fusion peculiarities of the vaxx-mediated artificially expressed spike protein, on cell surface?

    China Silence – I am hoping you can now answer this question for me. Can you?

  161. @China Silence

    The so-called ‘locking’ of the mRNA gene therapy inoculations does NOT work in all cases, as the spike protein is quickly found throughout the body, either from failure of ‘locking’ or from poor injection technique, introducing the gene therapy to the blood circulation. AND the BigPharma ghouls want regular gene therapy inoculations, not only driving viral evolution (as we’ve seen with Omicron and its variants)to greater infectiousness and to greater virulence (as is now being asserted for variant BA-5), but also attacking T-cell immunity (and God knows what else). And, as Peter McCullogh has observed, spike protein from the gene therapy inoculations is far more dangerous to the cardiac system, particularly of young men, than ‘natural’ spike protein.

  162. Ron Unz says:
    @Al Liguori

    from PNAC of “new Pearl Harbor” infamy: “And advanced forms of biological warfare that can ‘target’ specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

    I’ve never understood why activists are always quoting that 2000 PNAC report about the possibility of genetically-targeted bioweapons.

    That basic idea has been around for something like 50-60 years, perhaps even before DNA was even discovered. All biological scientists are certainly aware of it, and lots of military researchers have surely investigated it. Back in the 1990s, (I think) the London Times broke a big story that the Israeli and South African militaries had very active programs specifically aimed at developing such ethnic bioweapons.

    So that 2000 PNAC report was merely saying something that everyone already knew. Therefore, people who cite it as some sort of smoking gun revelation are just make themselves look foolish and ignorant.

    • Thanks: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Levtraro
    , @Al Liguori
  163. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    This thread is not intended for the nonsense spouted by crazy Flu Hoaxers or anti-Vaxxers, and they’re not welcome here.

    I think one of the most authoritative figures regularly cited by the anti-Vaxxers is some eccentric scientist named David Martin. Apparently, just a few days ago, Martin proclaimed that 700 million(!) people worldwide will soon died from vaxxing, including roughly 1/3 of the entire American population:

    https://www.fromrome.info/2022/06/30/dr-martin-patent-expert-700-million-will-die-from-deathvaxxing-worldwide/

    If he turns out to be correct, and 100 million Americans soon die, I’ll certainly admit I was wrong and offer him an apology (as I’m expiring). But offhand, claims like that make him sound like a total lunatic, and suggest that people who take him seriously are gullible idiots.

    This website has other places where the Flu Hoaxers and anti-Vaxxers can freely rant and rave, but this thread is not one of them.

  164. IreneAthena says: • Website

    Howdy Ron Unz—
    I’m looking for signage directing me to the “Places Where Flu Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers Can Freely Rant and Rave.” I seem to have lost my way. IreneAthena

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  165. Iris says:

    State Duma Speaker, the speaker of Russian parliament Vyacheslav Volodin states that the United States were involved in the emergence of COVID-19 and calls them to account- Translation from RIA Novosti:

    Volodin says that the United States should stop military biological developments

    Speaker of the State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin called the U.S. to stop all the military biological developments it is conducting around the world.
    He commented on the statement of the chairman of the Lancet COVID commission Jeffrey Sachs that SARS-C0V-2 was most likely created in an American bio-laboratory.

    He also added that all nations were affected by the pandemic, that the United States is obliged to compensate for their losses.

    “Today, when such accusations are made, Biden remains silent. I am afraid that the world will know the truth about the true culprit of the pandemic anyway” Volodin stressed.

    https://ria.ru/20220706/razrabotki-1800570168.html

    https://t.me/vv_volodin/508

    • Thanks: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @emersonreturn
    , @Al Liguori
  166. Iris says:
    @Ron Unz

    Therefore, people who cite it as some sort of smoking gun revelation are just make themselves look foolish and ignorant.

    Not everybody can be the smartest, the wisest and the best informed.

    Apartheid South-Africa and Israel were/are the scum of the planet; the US, for all its flaws, was not, not until 9/11 anyway.

    Personally, I did not know that the US Deep State goons were demented enough to publicly acknowledge, in a non-confidential document, that they were manufacturing ethnic bioweapons.

    Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Europeans I live with and talk to have never ever heard of the PNAC’s “New Pearl Harbour” analogy. They can therefore not pinpoint any obvious motive to 9/11, no matter how uneasy they feel about it.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
  167. eah says:
    @Ron Unz

    This thread is not intended for the nonsense spouted by crazy Flu Hoaxers or anti-Vaxxers, and they’re not welcome here.

    You seem rather thin-skinned.

    While you certainly may be right about the scientific literacy (COVID has definitely generated a lot of claims that appear to be ‘nonsense’) and/or intentions of people you label ‘Flu Hoaxers or anti-Vaxxers’ (not to mention ‘gullible idiots’), this is just more ad hominem (link) — you do realize that intelligent people cannot, per se, take this kind of thing serously, right?

  168. @Ron Unz

    Well done, Ron! That’s a really convincing rebuttal!

  169. Levtraro says:
    @Ron Unz

    An ancillary comment: ethnic bioweapons violate the 1st principle of war: know your enemy. Know your enemy does not mean learning about his feelings and thoughts and personality, the rich inner life in the enemy’s soul. No. It means you need to know who you are going to kill. Most weapons of war identify the enemy by its location. So you direct your guns and rockets in the direction of the enemy. Ethnic bioweapons though are supposed to identify the enemy by his genetic makeup. Not gonna work, not with the current technology and degree of speciation among human ethnicities.

  170. Ron Unz says:
    @IreneAthena

    Howdy Ron Unz—
    I’m looking for signage directing me to the “Places Where Flu Hoaxers and Anti-Vaxxers Can Freely Rant and Rave.” I seem to have lost my way. IreneAthena

    Sure. If you look towards the bottom of the Sidebar on any of the pages, there’s a section labeled “Anti-Vaxx Articles” and a link to the most recent one. So there are a plethora of open discussion threads on that foolish subject, most of them equally congenial to Flu Hoaxers:

    https://www.unz.com/topic/anti-vaxx/feature/

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/covid-vaccinations-and-oxitecs-flying-syringes/

    • Thanks: IreneAthena
  171. @Charles

    Jeffrey Sachs is a Chinese Communist sympathizer and has made that clear over a long period of time. He is probably getting money from the Chicom’s to write this.

    The Lancet lied about the origins of the Wuhan Flu as it hired the enabler of it – Peter Daszak to head the team to write the phony article saying the flu came from a wet market.

    Having said all that I don’t trust Fauci, Collins or anyone in the US Government in regards to health care policies. They are all liars.

  172. @Chebyshev

    You left out spaces aliens from your story. Always include space aliens in nutty stories to make people know you are nutty.

  173. anon[429] • Disclaimer says:

    Here’s an indication that Sach’s come-to-Jayzuz moment is in fact having an effect.

    https://alethonews.com/2022/07/06/us-should-pay-compensation-if-covid-19-claim-confirmed-russia/

    Who cares if brainwashed US proles know about US germ warfare, as long as nuclear-armed, escalation-dominant authorities are on the case? US use of banned biological weapons can be viewed two ways: as crime or as internationally wrongful act. US sneak-attack aggression entails the usual: world war, war crimes tribunal, DCI shot and incinerated in their bunker, and cathartic hangings.

    Volodin is proposing pacific resolution of this dispute. As an internationally wrongful act in breach of jus cogens, customary international law enlists the world in stopping US germ warfare. US action gives rise to judiciable responsibility for restitution, compensation with interest, and satisfaction. This would of course make the Versailles Treaty look like a fix-it ticket, but it would spare about 200 million American lives. And satisfaction provides for prosecution and command responsibility, with squirmy short-drop hangings of Pompeo, Haines, Gates, Brennan, Daszak, Baric, Kadlek and many others.

  174. I imagine China will also make a claim:

    https://www.rt.com/russia/558474-russia-compensation-covid-us/

    Heh. I see others have also come to similar conclusions.

  175. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    OK Mr. Unz, have it your way ….. any of your posted articles about ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ must forever remain free of the taint of very good questions about the myriad of links between sars-cov-2 lab-engineering shenanigans, and the western experimental vaxxes, with respect to spike manipulations. Extremely weird, …. I only poke you about this irrationality now and then, …… and I so happen to poke you again here in this thread, over this issue, and the same thing happens as before, even though there is so much evidentiary water under the bridge since a year ago, when you first resisted the poking, first by ignoring, and then with your very amusing rhetorical flourishes (it’s amusing, because these rhetorical flourishes don’t portray any kind of intelligence, and you are supposed to be smart).

    [MORE]

    Now on Martin. Of course I am aware of him, but he is not an authority that I have ever quoted. Here and there within comments, I already gave you the authoritative figures that I have some trust in (Robert Malone, Jessica Rose, Bryam Bridle, Karl Denninger, Bret Weinstein, and though Steve Kirsch is controversial, I think he is a creative thinker, and is doing some good work on this topic). Anyways, I am not knocking Martin here, all I am saying is I don’t follow him and so I am only aware of his efforts tangentially. But at any rate, you kindly provided a link to a Martin interview. I didn’t listen to the interview but I did read the short overview. I suppose Martin is probably doing an extrapolation upon the exploding all-cause mortality among younger aged cohorts, commencing in the 4th quarter of 2021, that marries up with the timing of the vaccine program, as has now been quite extensively reported within the life insurance industry. If so, … then yes, I would agree that there is plenty to quibble about, with respect to whether this very troubling signal of exploding all-cause mortality among the younger aged cohorts, is going to lead to permanent or chronic life-shortening health conditions, or whether this signal will disappear and go back to baseline, after a quarter or two, after systemic vaxxing and boosting is dialed down. Personally, I think it a lot more likely that it will be scenario #2 (temporary increase in all-cause mortality, returning to baseline, a quarter or two after systemic vaxxing and boosting is dialed down). But I don’t have any way to completely discount Martin’s probable conjecture, that the first scenario is more likely (chronic life-shortening health conditions as triggered by vaxxing complications, leading to a permanent increase in all-cause mortality. Or maybe Martin alternatively, is making the case that the dialing down is not a coming, and as such, the huge huge death spike he is discussing, will be due to continuing governmental and bureaucratic malfeasance). Do you have a way to discount this conjecture, at this point in time? I don’t believe you do. If you do, please say so (but please, don’t offer just another very stupid rhetorical flourish in place of a real argument). The reason I don’t believe you have a rational way to completely discount Martin’s probable conjecture, at this time, is because you can’t read the future (because no one can), and as well, given how unbelievably weird this whole fiasco has been (with the associated unknown motivations for some very very weird behavior among legacy health authorities), ….. it isn’t just a slam dunk with respect to pointing to how, in the past, when something very stupid was done, health-wise, across large population swathes, the harm as measured by all-cause mortality, tended to soon revert to baseline (i.e. – this time it very well could be different, … this time it may not be just greed blinding authorities to rational analysis of their project, …. this time it may well be intentional malice).

    On the topic of ‘so much evidentiary water under the bridge since a year ago’, …… your track record sucks in this regards. Look, …. at this point, there is no other way for me to interpret your position on the ‘sars-cov-2/western experimental vaxxes’ topic, other than this:

    – you are maintaining that ‘sars-cov-2’ is very likely a bioweapon,

    – but, at the same time, you are maintaining that the western experimental vaxxes cannot be

    – but you don’t offer any rational argument as to why you feature your narrative as such.

    So, in terms of these insinuated claims of yours, ….. have you not noticed that the evidence, as it comes in, continues to go against your insinuated claims? If you fail to address this new evidence (like exploding all-cause mortality among the younger aged cohorts since the 4th quarter of 2021), … your predictive track record in this regards just continues to suck more and more.

    If it turns out that Martin’s probable conjecture is wrong (more likely to my mind) so that all-cause mortality returns to baseline, after a quarter or two, after systemic vaxxing and boosting is dialed down (more likely to my mind), ….. this does not absolve you, nor the legacy health authorities. More dead people than otherwise would be the case, even if it is only a temporary condition, is not something we should accept. I am quite shocked that you seem to think that indeed it is something we should just accept.

    OK, …. I’ll just say it now: Your weird behavior in this regards belies an ulterior agenda at play. So what is the ulterior agenda? If I had to guess, I think you are setting yourself up, to be at the forefront, of a legacy movement that is now gaining strength, to make it out like these western experimental vaxxes have saved tens of millions of lives. Of course, these claims are bogus. And it is easy to see this is the case (just look at the covid case trend lines since vaccination commenced, for Godsakes). But perhaps you are just a legacy lackey after all, doing your part, lackey-like. I suppose you probably get something personally, out of the deal, as well. Now of course this is all just pure speculation. I am only guessing. Time will tell if my guess in accurate or not.

    On your advice to IreneAthena that you want to limit any discussion with respect to the interface between the likelihood of ‘sars-cov’2 as bioweapon’ and the ‘western experimental vaxxes’ to your ‘antivaxx items/features’, ….. I will just point out one glaring thing here, in this respect. This current article of yours I am now commenting under, should appear in that section. It is weird that you don’t think so.

    • Thanks: Al Liguori, Al Liguori
  176. @Iris

    thank you, iris, i came here today to cite this & i’m very glad you already have. i’ve no idea why sachs has suddenly changed skins (from his rape & pillage of russia to strangely now leading the charge) nonetheless russia has assiduously been collecting data, & her numbers of daily covid cases seems to stay @ around 3000, so it’s a very curious & very important turn of events in the story. thank you again, iris.

    • Replies: @Iris
  177. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    If you look towards the bottom of the Sidebar on any of the pages, there’s a section labeled “Anti-Vaxx Articles” and a link to the most recent one…

    https://www.unz.com/topic/anti-vaxx/feature/

    https://www.unz.com/lromanoff/covid-vaccinations-and-oxitecs-flying-syringes/ Ron Unz #174

    People can use their computers– but not their phones– to find the “Anti-Vaxx” link in the Sidebar. The most recent article in that category was published April 17.

    Would it be possible to start a new Category named “Vaxx Controversy” which would be accessible to phone-users via the Categories button in the masthead, and to computer-users via the Sidebar? Then, could an open thread with the same name be started in that new category? Thanks.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  178. Anon786 says:

    So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed or hidden that will not be made known. What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell”. Jesus Christ – Gospel of Mathew, 10,26-28

  179. All you have to do is look at the governments response to Covid to see that it was deliberate. A slow motion and far more lethal 911. Shock therapy for the masses. And it won’t be the last. Keep the masses dazed and confused and divided.

  180. Ron Unz says:
    @IreneAthena

    People can use their computers– but not their phones– to find the “Anti-Vaxx” link in the Sidebar. The most recent article in that category was published April 17

    For Mobile devices, just click Summary at the top and it provides the Sidebar links, including the one to the most recent anti-Vaxx articles, which you’re welcome to use for anti-Vaxx discussions.

    However, I’m certainly not going to establish a special anti-Vaxx category. We’ve already had more than enough articles and threads on that subject, which is just total crackpottery.

    • Replies: @thotmonger
    , @IreneAthena
  181. anastasia says:

    The Russians agree with Sachs and Unz. https://www.rt.com/russia/558474-russia-compensation-covid-us/

    Better watch out. Can’t be in the same camp as the Russians!

  182. @John Galt III

    Another racist Sinophobe thug, crawled out from ‘neath its rock, with NO commenting history. I wonder what sewer they are bred in.

    • Replies: @John Galt III
  183. @Ron Unz

    Anti-vaxxers is too broad a category. Some vaccines work eg for rabies, where the alternative is most dire, but others work with varying efficacy and side-effects. Live, attenuated, virus vaccines work well, but risk spreading the disease, dead virus vaccines are packed with ‘adjuvants’, some ‘commercially secret’ of unknown medium and long-term danger, and the mRNA are experimental, with the human population as guinea-pigs, and more adverse side-effects than all other vaccines ever used, combined, despite truly Evil efforts to suppress reporting of adverse events and acknowledge the harms. And the category of ‘anti-vaxxer’ has now been applied to those reporting the fact of adverse effects, and the increasing desire of BigPharma and its Medical Mafia and ‘regulatory’ stooges to ‘recommend’ regular, yearly or more often, mRNA ‘boosters’.

    • Agree: IreneAthena, Wild Man
  184. KennyC says:
    @Dr. IV

    Either way, it’s US involvement.

  185. @Wizard of Oz

    And how did these no name princelings, nobody scientists and some upstart hedge fund speculator gain access to the Iranian top leaders? 🤔

    Sorry, but your story doesn’t stand up to scrutiny when we consider all the facts. 🧐

    On the other hand, large, well-funded organizations operating networks with a wide reach, such as for example intelligence agencies and the military, do have the means to gain access to those Iranian top leaders

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  186. dogbert says:

    Seriously, at this point, what does it matter where this stuff came from? The real battle is against the globalist plan to enslave humanity, whether they’re using the fake covid, or not. Wasting time trying to figure out where this stuff originated distracts from the real threat, IMO.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  187. @Ron Unz

    that foolish subject

    Careful, Ron. Your leash is showing.

    • Agree: Towey
  188. Bumpkin says:

    Jimmy Dore has now also jumped on that Sachs video, 132k views so far on youtube, though unfortunately he then pushes the Wuhan lab leak theory instead:



    Video Link
    Ron should reach out to him for an interview, I think he’d have him on as he’s had on other contrarian views.

  189. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I’ve never understood why activists are always quoting that 2000 PNAC report about the possibility of genetically-targeted bioweapons.…Therefore, people who cite it as some sort of smoking gun revelation are just make themselves look foolish and ignorant.

    Since COVID attaches to the ACE2 receptors (primarily in the lungs) and the density of ACE2 lung receptors is significantly higher (hence more bioweapon attack surface) in Asians compared to Caucasians, I’d argue the viral specificity is, if not “a smoking gun,” relatively “genetically specific” and a “politically useful tool” for the Anglo-Zionist hegemony to deploy against the Chinese hegemony.

    An analysis of ACE2 expression profiles in normal lung cells showed that Asian males have a higher expression of ACE2 compared to white and African populations suggesting that they could be more susceptible to a viral infection. See:
    Zhao Y., Zhao Z., Wang Y., Zhou Y., Ma Y., Zuo W. Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the receptor of SARS-CoV-2. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2020;202:756–759.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/32663409/

    But then I just may be “foolish and ignorant.”

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  190. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Iris

    Thanks greatly for those Russian links, Iris.

    Friends and colleagues who follow the Russian press and literature have provided information and research leads on a variety of subjects that are otherwise unavailable in the English press.

    Putin: http://judaism.is/putin.html
    Kabbalah: http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html
    alien Jews in Russia: http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html#russia
    Stalin’s Jewish lineage and confessed Zionism: http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html#stalin
    the alien Ashkenazi and indigenous Kaifeng Jews who have dominated “Chinese” Communism; http://judaism.is/china.html
    V. V. Rozanov’s suppressed and extremely rare analysis of the 1911 Jewish ritual murder of 13 y/o Andrei Youshchinsky, Ekhad, אֶחָד : http://judaism.is/assets/ekhad.pdf

    Again, thank you for your contribution that I have added here: http://judaism.is/jew-flu.html

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  191. Ron Unz says:
    @Al Liguori

    ACE2 lung receptors is significantly higher (hence more bioweapon attack surface) in Asians compared to Caucasians

    No, that’s total nonsense and you’re merely demonstrating your scientific ignorance.

    Early in 2020 there was certainly widespread quiet speculation that Asians might be especially vulnerable to Covid, and I certainly wondered about that. The findings of that paper you mention came out around then and was widely cited for that reason. However, most of that speculation dissipated after the virus began ravaging Italy, Spain, and other Caucasian countries.

    Disease vulnerability is an empirical issue and the empirical evidence from California and other parts of the US is that whites and Asians are approximately equal in their vulnerability to Covid, with the age-adjusted death rates being pretty similar, or perhaps even a little worse for whites.

    It’s certainly possible that different racial/ethnic groups might have somewhat different vulnerabilities, and this has been masked by behavioral differences. Perhaps Asians are 20% more vulnerable than whites or 20% less vulnerable, but those factors are trivial. A genetically-targeted disease would have differences of 1000% or 2000% not 20%.

    Individuals with no scientific background have a tendency to cite some random scientific study as proof of their position without giving it the necessary thought.

  192. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Individuals with no scientific background have a tendency to cite some random scientific study as proof of their position without giving it the necessary thought.

    Since I readily admit that my scientific background pales in comparison to yours, perhaps you wouldn’t mind enlightening your TUR readership by assessing the veracity of this study’s conclusion?

    Excerpt from, Study concludes women’s fertility harmed in vaccinating countries:

    [MORE]

    Microstructure Technology Professor Dr. Hervé Seligmann… examined fertility in countries that have massively vaccinated against COVID-19 compared to those that have not, and concludes that women’s fertility decreases the more women are vaccinated…

    In the second graph, the data are corrected according to the wealth of the countries (poorer countries have higher fertility). After the correction, Seychelles and Mongolia return to the norm, and only Israel continues to enjoy relatively high fertility despite the high percentage of vaccinated women:

    Although Dr. Seligmann does not explain the reason for the Israeli anomaly, Nakim Organization Director Haim Yativ says the abnormality in Israel can be explained by the fact that Israel is Pfizer’s laboratory state, and that it must have been given a high percentage of placebo recipients to test the vaccine results against them as a control group.

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/2/frontlinenews/study-concludes-womens-fertility-harmed-in-vaccinating-countries/

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  193. @John Galt III

    “Lie” and it’s ognates is used far too often on UR and in other alternative media. What’s wrong with supposing the Lancet’s choice of experts to write the criticised piece was premised on expertise and total, honest, inability to imagine anything like Ron’s hypothesis?

  194. @Ron Unz

    Perhaps Asians are 20% more vulnerable than whites or 20% less vulnerable, but those factors are trivial. A genetically-targeted disease would have differences of 1000% or 2000% not 20%.

    True enough but it’s not a bullet proof answer to suggestions of attempts to make the virus ethno specific. 20% after all could be on the way to the 100% aimed at by further development.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  195. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ron Unz

    Individuals with no scientific background have a tendency to cite some random scientific study as proof of their position without giving it the necessary thought.

    As opposed to the musings of a career code monkey without one iota of experience in medicine or patient care?

    Kaplan Exam Prep has certainly served you well – well, that, and in-group preference.

    • Thanks: Towey
  196. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Since I readily admit that my scientific background pales in comparison to yours, perhaps you wouldn’t mind enlightening your TUR readership by assessing the veracity of this study’s conclusion?

    I don’t have a clue whether the anti-vaxxers are correct about fertility effects, but I really think we’ll need to wait a while until solid data becomes available. On a different thread, there was a Tweet on exactly that subject:

    But when I looked at it, I noticed that there had been a large jump in New Zealand births despite the country being supposedly 99% vaxxed with Pfizer, and also Scotland had shown a rise, though I assume they’re using the same vaccines as England. Moreover, Russia’s vaccines aren’t mRNA and they showed the same big drop as lots of other countries. So at this stage, I think the strong presumption is sociological/economic factors rather than mRNA.

  197. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    True enough but it’s not a bullet proof answer to suggestions of attempts to make the virus ethno specific. 20% after all could be on the way to the 100% aimed at by further development.

    But there’s absolutely no evidence that Asians are more vulnerable to Covid than whites of the same age. Like I said, I think the Asian death rate was actually slightly lower in California. The reason I’d checked last year was that some agitated commenters had begun claiming that Asians were immune to Covid, based upon all sorts of stupid reasoning.

    Unless there’s some solid evidence for some dramatic theory it probably shouldn’t be promoted.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  198. Iris says:
    @emersonreturn

    i’ve no idea why sachs has suddenly changed skins (from his rape & pillage of russia to strangely now leading the charge)

    Thanks, dear, for bringing up the question of what is motivating Pr Jeffrey Sacks; IMHO it is an important one.

    Many commenters have rightly reminded his central involvement in the rape of Russia in the 1990’s, something for which he was unapologetic.

    A 2009 study by The Lancet demonstrated that the Wall Street-led economic “Shock Therapy” had killed around 10 millions Russian men, and affected the country’s overall life expectancy so badly that it was reduced by 5 years between 1991 and 1994.

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60005-2/fulltext

    As soon as the study was published, Pr Sacks (1) vehemently attacked its methodology, (2) denied any personal responsibility, stating that unlike Poland’s, Russia’s privatisations had failed because they didn’t get adequate support from the US government. Such political “naivety” leaves speechless.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2009/1/18/685673/-

    Over the years, Pr Sacks’ consistent involvement in the creation and implementation of foremost public policies, such as poverty reduction, climate change and the likes, can be interpreted in very opposite ways.

    Either he is a sincere political reformer careful not to cross red lines for his own self-preservation, or he is part of the Soros galaxy of windbags promoting the globalists’ soft power. He could well belong to the former category, similar to people like Joseph Stieglitz who is careful not to rattle the Wall Street-managed cage too much, but is relatively sincere in his criticism of financial speculation. Pr Sacks, for instance, supported Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, but called her a warmonger nonetheless, which is rare and laudable.

    It is difficult to ascertain his motives, but I am going to make a guess. I think that the discoveries made by Russia in the Ukraine about the 46+ military bio-laboratories managed by the Pentagon are so shocking and far-reaching that it caused an on-going stir within The Lancet’s scientific committee.
    The very fact that times passes by without a natural, zoonotic origin being found will only strengthen the lab-engineered hypothesis, but maybe there is more, maybe there exists research information still repressed at the moment, which if it were to reach the public, would allow to linking the COVID dots?

    For instance, what if geneticists decided to analyse the virus genomes of early Iran cases and compare them to early Wuhan cases and found out that they were eerily similar?
    Many research avenues remain forbidden by the PTB’s, but this may change as the Zio-US imperial power gets shrunk down by its self-made Ukraine debacle.

    In summary, the COVID pandemic was a global 9/11. People have died in the millions, lost precious loved ones, invaluable lifetime and basic livelihood. Many people and nations will never forgive what was done to them, and will keep looking for the origins of Covid. If any loose end is out there, they’ll find it, finally vindicating the US origins of Covid. Maybe smart people like Pr Sacks know that already. With warm regards.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @emersonreturn
  199. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    In aggregate (1) the research to date on ACE2 and other COVID-related racial polymorphisms [see a representative sample below below], (2) public exposure of actual Israeli research (and subsequent disappearance of the Sunday Times exposé http://www.thetimes.co.uk/section/0,,158,00.html, and also disappeared from several sites that mirrored the article, but now found here: https://www.wired.com/1998/11/israels-ethnic-weapon/), (3) the confessed PNAC agenda https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/page/n71/mode/2up/search/specific+genotypes , and (4) talmudic support for using goyim as guinea pigs [Shulchan-Aruch (“The Set Table”): No 81], are certainly leads worthy of further investigation. Admittedly, not yet dispositive, but certainly not deserving of reflexive or scornful discard.

    The study I proffered is not an isolated aberration, other studies underscore (and, yes, some dispute) the racial polymorphisms noted in Zhao Y., Zhao Z., Wang Y., Zhou Y., Ma Y., Zuo W. Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the receptor of SARS-CoV-2. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2020;202:756–759. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/32663409/ :

    Choudhary S, Sreenivasulu K, Mitra P, Misra S, Sharma P. Role of genetic variants and gene expression in the susceptibility and severity of COVID-19. Ann Lab Med. 2021; 41(2): 129- 138. https://doi.org/10.3343/alm.2021.41.2.129

    Suryamohan, K., Diwanji, D., Stawiski, E.W. et al. Human ACE2 receptor polymorphisms and altered susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2. Commun Biol 4, 475 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-021-02030-3

    Others consider race-variant co-morbidities that affect the expression of ACE2 receptors, rather than the mere density of ACE2 receptors:

    Bulk and single-cell transcriptomics identify tobacco-use disparity in lung gene expression of ACE2, the receptor of 2019-nCov
    Guoshuai Cai
    medRxiv 2020.02.05.20020107; doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.05.20020107

    The last word is not yet spoken, so, as an admirer of your oeuvre, I respectfully hint that no amount of self-vaunted genius or Procrustean vetting of evidence justifies your smug ad hominem or conceals your sputtering when presented with Geocat’s counter-evidence: “…we’ll need to wait a while until solid data becomes available.” Well… then do just that.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  200. @mulga mumblebrain

    Intelligent people unlike you can hate Communism without hating the people in the country in question. That is a subtle difference for utterly uneducated Progs like you, so please go back to your sewer you know so much about.

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  201. @dogbert

    Because the point of origin will reveal who is the real threat? They’re likely one and the same.

  202. Al Liguori says: • Website

    Beyond the scientific aspects of COVID, please consider the key religious aspect of genocide.

    I have aggregated evidence and research leads regarding Judaism’s religious imperative to kill Gentiles http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html specifically to hasten arrival of moshiach (The Anti-Christ) http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html The most prolific, influential, aggressive, and richest of Jewish subversives push for “Moshiach now!” and the 620 Noahide Laws. http://judaism.is/chabad.html

    Bottom line: Judaism in all its forms, including Kabbalism, Talmudism, Zionism, Chasidism, Capitalism, and Communism, has focused for millennia on a single goal: hastening the arrival of The Anti-Christ (“Moshiach now!”) by “repairing the world” (tikkun olam) today using bio-weapons, famine, and nuclear war to exterminate the satanic “sparks” of Gentiles and the global domination and enslavement of any survivors.

    COVID and related “vaccines” are just one weapon in their arsenal.

    No matter how they dress it up in globalist jargon about “Great Reset,” “climate change,” “gun control, etc., or Kabbalistic jargon about “kelipot,” “Amalek,” “Edom,” “Esav,” etc., they are working day and night to kill and/or enslave you.

  203. @Ron Unz

    I’m certainly not going to establish a special anti-Vaxx category. We’ve already had more than enough articles and threads on that subject, which is just total crackpottery.

    If concern about vaccine safety is all “crackpottery”, how about Mr. Unz have a modest two hour debate with Robert Kennedy Jr.? Don’t just post the forward to his book and then studiously avoid its key thesis! I’m giving ten to one odds Bobby will do to Ron what he did to Allen Douchewitz: Mop the floor with his mealy mouth.

    Of course, rudely dissing those alarmed about vaccine mandates and dangers is just the edge of a dizzying crater of incoherence that undermines Mr. Unz’s “body of evidence”. To ignore all the manifold harms, the massive orchestrated criminal malfeasance, caused by these lockdowns over the past two years takes a special sort of myopia*. I wish it were otherwise. Unz has been sort of a hero for me.

    *To think that there is no relationship between the instigators of these crimes and those who carry them out at the highest levels of national governments, the EU, and the UN is a sign of bad faith…

    Archbishop Vigano, here:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/archbishop-vigano-joins-steve-bannon-war-room/

    • Thanks: Towey
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  204. Ron Unz says:
    @Al Liguori

    Others consider race-variant co-morbidities that affect the expression of ACE2 receptors, rather than the mere density of ACE2 receptors:

    You’re just making yourself look ridiculous. Covid has been a global epidemic for well over two years ago, and empirical evidence trumps a couple of research papers on the possible role of ACE2 receptors.

    Roughly 15-20 million people have probably died worldwide. Probably 95% of those deaths have been Caucasian and maybe 1% East Asian. Trying to argue that the virus was specifically engineered to be much deadlier to Asians rather than Caucasians is extremely difficult based upon that distribution of fatalities.

    Indeed, over the last year or so, various stupid commenters have used that data to claim that Asians are relatively immune to Covid compared to Caucasians. That eventually led me to track down the age-adjusted fatality rates in California, which contains the bulk of America’s Asian population, and those turned out to be pretty similar to the fatality rates of California Caucasians.

    Meanwhile, other people have used the supposed lack of Covid deaths in Africa to argue that blacks are immune. But most Sub-Saharan African countries don’t have functioning public health systems, so deaths wouldn’t get reported. One of the few exceptions is South Africa, and that country has reported enormous numbers of Covid deaths, about what you’d expect given the age and weight of the local population. Furthermore, after adjusting for age blacks in America have generally had somewhat higher fatality rates than whites.

    Based upon all of these statistics, there seems ZERO evidence that Covid has any significant racial skew. Maybe we’ll eventually discover that it does, but right now it doesn’t look that way.

    You’re just some random nut who hangs around this website always ranting about Jews and I doubt you have any sort of scientific expertise. So I strongly suggest that you stay away from scientific matters.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Al Liguori
  205. Ron Unz says:
    @thotmonger

    If concern about vaccine safety is all “crackpottery”, how about Mr. Unz have a modest two hour debate with Robert Kennedy Jr.? Don’t just post the forward to his book and then studiously avoid its key thesis!

    Surely you must be aware that I wrote a long piece on Kennedy’s book, which generated a great deal of traffic:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-vaxxing-anthony-fauci-and-aids/

    Kennedy himself is certainly aware, because the main website promoting his book linked it as the most prominent review.

    I followed it up with several additional columns:

    https://www.unz.com/page/public-health-articles/#main-articles-in-series

    • Replies: @thotmonger
  206. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    On this passage of your overall comment:

    “Probably 95% of those deaths have been Caucasian and maybe 1% East Asian”

    That’s the thing, …… these findings do not really support your theory that sars-cov-2 is an American neocon bioweapon used against the CCP and the people of China. As such, your theory, more precisely, must be that sars-cov-2 is an American neocon bioweapon used against the CCP and the people of China, that backfired (and you have claimed as much, with your proviso that though the potential for said backfiring was glaringly obvious, the goy neocons in Trump’s admin, like Pompeo and Bolton potentially, are so exceedingly dumb, that they didn’t think of that). As such, your theory, even more precisely, must be that sars-cov-2 is an American neocon bioweapon used against the CCP and the people of China, that backfired, for which the CCP was most happy to see said backfiring, run its course. As such, according to your theory, the CCP is implicated too (albeit perhaps after the fact) in the bioweaponizing cause of these western and worldwide sars-cov-2 deaths. How else to see it (once one chooses to accept you first premise, ….. ‘that sars-cov-2 is an American neocon bioweapon used against the CCP and the people of China’)?

    Anyways, …. not sure if you want to answer the query I just mentioned. This too, is not a new query. You may again just choose to continue to ignore this line of reasoning like you have continued to ignore the links between sars-cov-2 spike pathogenesis and western experimental vaxx spike pathogenesis, that I and others have queried you on (this line of reasoning around the implications of CCP’s silence is another thing that I poked you about, but not as much, over the past year, that you haven’t weighed in on, as for as I know).

    But, the primary thing I wouldn’t mind knowing a bit more about, is around this passage of your overall comment:

    “You’re just some random nut who hangs around this website always ranting about Jews”.

    But you promote discussion on the JQ here at the UR – no? Perhaps it is that you just don’t like Al Liguori’s takes on the JQ (I don’t know what that take is, actually), ….. but just to clear the air a bit on this, ….. you do believe the JQ is a central theme with respect to the promotion of so many false narratives within western jurisdictions – yes?

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
    , @Ron Unz
  207. Al Liguori says: • Website

    You have yourself noted that both China and Iran suffered particularly lethal variants—only to turn around and try using California’s cases to “disprove” the special lethality that you yourself have repeatedly noted. Having acknowledged the existence of variants in certain hot spots, you “lump” global data when convenient and “split” local data distant from the hot spots when convenient.

    First… you claimed there is “absolutely nothing” to support the existence of COVID racial polymorphisms, so I provided you a representative sample of papers that argue otherwise.

    Then… your “absolutely nothing” morphed into “a couple of research papers” that you simply wave off without even a gloss of possible methodological or interpretive errors.

    Even more laughably, your argument further degenerated into tired name-calling and the “ranting about Jews” ploy.

    This is your special scientific expertise? And you doubt mine? Your clay feet are showing.

    • Agree: Towey
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  208. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Comment #211 was submitted as a reply to you, Ron, but does not show as such.

    @Wild Man — Comment #206 is a fair précis of my traditional Catholic take on the JQ. 127 topical pages “ranting about Jews [and their accomplices]” here: http://judaism.is [laughing]

  209. @Wild Man

    As a guy who freely admits to having no scientific background, your post caught my eye for a different reason. You brought up the potential stupidity of guys like Pompeo and Bolton. I just think they’re assholes but not stupid. So I have to be skeptical that this was a bioattack from high up in either the US or China government. But if I ask who benefitted, then certainly I can see that pharmaceutical companies made out like bandits. And are not Fauci, Daszak, and EcoHealth Alliance all financially tied to big pharma? Aren’t they all in league with Schwab and the WEF, who have huge transborder capability and want to take everything from us and be thanked for the theft? Wasn’t the China lab in possession of just the technology from UNC that was needed to start the scamdemic? Couldn’t this all have started as a false flag by rogue actors to get the US and China at each others throats while advancing several goals of the elite globalists?

    Well those are my ramblings. I’m not interested in trying to pin everything on Jewish Power at this point but I have no illusions that if the true facts of Covid-19 ever see daylight, some of the actors will be connected to JP. But a lot of them will be Episcopalians and such too. Thanks for your time.

    • Replies: @Wild Man
    , @Wild Man
  210. @Al Liguori

    All of those links lead me to blank pages. What gives?

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  211. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Jefferson Temple

    I just checked the links to my site’s pages and they worked.
    I also just checked the links to the research papers and they worked.
    I do not why they are not working for you. When such problems happen for me, changing my VPN or browser usually corrects the problem.

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Wild Man

    As such, your theory, more precisely, must be that sars-cov-2 is an American neocon bioweapon used against the CCP and the people of China, that backfired (and you have claimed as much, with your proviso that though the potential for said backfiring was glaringly obvious, the goy neocons in Trump’s admin, like Pompeo and Bolton potentially, are so exceedingly dumb…Anyways, …. not sure if you want to answer the query I just mentioned.

    I’m not going to repeat myself because I’ve already laid out my arguments many times, including in my articles. Here’s a link:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-truth-and-the-whole-truth-on-the-origins-of-covid-19/#summarizing-the-evidence-for-a-biowarfare-attack-and-outlini

    SARS-1 and MERS never spread to America, so the conspirators probably assumed we’d avoid SARS-2 as well.

    Robert Kadlec, our leading biowarfare advocate, spent EIGHT MONTHS running the Crimson Contagion exercise preparing America for a Covid-like virus from China just before it suddenly appeared in China. The Iranian leaders were hit by Covid almost immediately and said it was probably an American biowarfare attack.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/

    There’s a massive amount of evidence pointing to American foreknowledge and involvement if you bother to read it. Meanwhile, the only argument you have on the other side is that “nobody could have been that foolish and reckless.” Well, what about the biowarfare labs the Russians say we were funding in Ukraine? Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal—wasn’t planning a biowarfare attack against them pretty foolish and reckless? Hasn’t our sanctions attack on Russia been a totally disastrous failure, while moving Russia into a firm alliance with China? Wasn’t that pretty stupid?

    • Replies: @Wild Man
  213. Wild Man says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Well, with respect to the bureaucratic power structure behind the covid decision-making, in the U.S., Robert Malone, at his substack, has run a couple of articles this past week, outlining just how byzantine the overall bureaucracy of the HHS is, and particularly those employees within the HHS (U.S. Department of Health and Human Services) functioning as SES (Senior Executive Service).

    It turns out the executive branch politicians, i.e. – Presidents as they come and go, cannot really remove any of these bureaucratic employees of the executive branch of the government. It appears that this immutability of bureaucratic power structures (and the outsized power) are similar in other western jurisdictions, as well. I myself have been calling this bureaucratic control, the ‘technocratic pole’ of faux-west globalism (the other pole being ‘billionaires’, … each pole uses the other), but with the proviso that this technocracy isn’t embedded just in government, but in Wall Street, the Academy, legacy media, the entertainment biz inclusive of Hollywood, IT, and all large corporations. In fact, to me, it is very weird that people are not aware of this technocracy, within their employment arrangements (because it touches everything in the economy and culture, one way of the other). I was an employee in management within the commercial real estate management and development biz, and I saw it pretty much from my first day on the job as a greenhorn manager. In any of these positions (even a government profession like ‘teacher’),…. you are employed to serve the needs of this technocracy. Within large corporations, like the one I worked for, of course the needs of the technocracy that I was serving, was to maximize profits and especially maximize asset value, so it is not so hard to miss what is going on. It is in your face. If you can’t maximize profits and asset value, pretty much each and every quarter, you will soon be gone. Of course the technocracy always has the power to get what it wants and ensure there is enough coercion to ensure the employees deliver whatever it wants. But in some other fields, the people working in these fields, can’t seem to put it together, that same goes for them too. For instance, a teacher must deliver what the technocracy wants from them, or they will be replaced (i.e. – the technocracy has the power to achieve this, for any one particular individual teacher, even though they are union protected and such). Just see what happens if you start to inform your students of life lessons they should be aware of for the good of their own future prospects, that are not blessed ‘curriculum-wise’. You will be replaced. But somehow, teachers generally, don’t seem able to feel this coercion. They know they are quite protected, employment-wise, with respect to parental push-back, as long as they stick to the curriculum. But what if the curriculum has become broken (as has now occurred), and is not serving the ‘future prospects’ needs of the students, but instead serving the ongoing needs of the technocracy (the making of suitably malleable employees), and this is done via obfuscation and half-truth promotion for the students, as mandated by the curriculum? Well, the teachers can’t seem to put it together that this is not their mind, but the mind of the technocracy. They brainwash themselves into leftist-convergence (what the technocracy has deemed appropriate for the better delivery of suitably malleable employees, in the current era), so that they don’t feel the coercion, so that they don’t feel guilty for what they are doing. Whereas for me, I didn’t need to feel guilty for what I was doing as a manager, in the first place, so as to then brainwash myself away from knowing I am being coerced, because, instead, on day 1, I observed the lay of the land, (as it was in my face) and made a conscious decision to accept the coercion. Anyways, …. this is a very very deep topic, and I gave those anecdotes as a means to sorta get a feel for what this is, this technocracy. It is completely pervasive.

    Now, on you comment as to who benefited via the covid polices instituted, …… yes, there is a nest of interlocking benefits, for those at the top of these technocratic power structures (and in turn for the billionaires, or at least the billionaires money, they interface with). The ‘benefits nest’ for the top technocratic power brokers, is just so byzantine and tangled, …. this is not going to be easy to sort out. With Fauci, I smell a rat (exceedingly conniving top technocrat), ….. but for sure he is confident that he has got his ass covered, …..as long as the technocracy prevails. So though it is clear (at least to me) that Fauci is a rat (an exceedingly conniving top technocrat), he behaves as if he is above the law, because by lawfare, he is. But nevertheless, many many people do accurately see that he indeed is a rat. What is gonna happen when people realize that he is gonna get away scot-free? Well, if it comes to that, and the lynch mob comes for him, the faux-west globalists at the top of the pyramid (really this is the billionaires, and I believe the top technocrats aspire to be in that club) will sacrifice him to the lynch mob, to divert to save their own skins, and their ongoing gigs. Who knows if that will transpire or not. But if we rely on the judiciary to sort this out, it will take years and years and years (and Fauci will be dead by then) because I am quite sure, that he has covered his ass in layers and layers of contractual arrangements, and each such interlocking contractual arrangement will have to be thoroughly examined and torn apart, and then on to the next layer, and then the next and the next, to get to the bottom of lawfully proving his guilt. Frankly, I think the lynch mob scenario, is more likely, … and that way, perhaps we will see prince Fauci sacrificed (maybe by way of a special international court set up to quickly try and sacrifice some of these top covid technocrats, in order to save the day for the most inner order of this faux-west globalism,… so they can continue with their ongoing gigs, …. it has happened before, it could happen again). But that wouldn’t fix the bureaucratic immutability problem, within nations, within the west, – will it? As well, I should point out, that the faux-west globalists HATE Trump’s MAGA , because national sovereigntys are an obstacle to their endeavors. Perhaps they will seek to hang him high and dry forevermore, in order to discount MAGA, …. after all he did get massively played into taking credit for Project Warp-Speed, and when the worm turns on the vaxxes (coming soon now), and we start getting the lynch-mob mentality emerging, … the globalist sacrifices of top covid technocrats, may well end up being their best option, because it could serve two purposes for them: 1) Getting rid of Trump forevermore and discounting MAGA 2) advert massive changes in national laws, within western jurisdictions, aimed at tearing apart this technocracy (that which is ultimately, really needed).

    On the ‘neocon officials within Trump’s admin’ topic, and how stupid they would have to be, in order for Unz’s theory to hold water, ….. look, I don’t buy it (the level of stupidity required). The origins of this whole covid fiasco is way, way, way more complicated than that, and the CCP plays some role (seemingly secondary or reactionary to the faux-west globalist role), but I still don’t have a clue about what the CCP role is.

    On the JQ. It’s this faux-west globalism that is the problem. Who are the players? Well, look at the ethnic make-up of the billionaire component of this globalism, and then at the ‘top technocrats’ component of this globalism, and you will find that it is about 25% people of Jewish ethnicity. Since this is a global phenomenon, look at it in terms of the entire world. The Jews make up less than 0.25% of worldwide population. This signal is a 100x overweighting of people of Jewish ethnicity, per-capita-wise. That is a huge huge anomaly. Make of it what you will. To me, this means that the larger Jewish community-proper, has some outsized responsibility, for correcting this. I continue to hope that the Unz Review may be a good venue to try for an instigation of that.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  214. denk says:

    Empire watch rule no 1

    Ignore insider warning at your peril

    AKA

    when the wolf cries woof, run for your life

    [MORE]

    —————————————–

    This column stands foursquare with the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, when he warns that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large. We know, as does the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, that this statement is an incontrovertible fact, a matter of scientific certainty. And how can we and the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense, be so sure that there will be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large?

    Because these attacks will be instigated at the order of the Honorable Donald H. Rumsfeld, U.S. Secretary of Defense.

    Dec 2011
    Clinton

    New genetic technology that offers great benefits for scientific research could also be used to create biological terrorist weapons,

    [Dont look at me, its those terrarists]

    Jan 2012
    Dr Gerstein, DHS

    we expect a pandemic by the end of 2013

    .

    One must wonder how Gerstein could possibly pinpoint a timeline for a pandemic, which is generally seen to be the result of unpredictable microscopic events. Unless, perhaps, he has a hand in creating one. ???

    Dec 2012
    H7N9 hits China.
    Millions chickens culled.
    Chinese poultry industry decimated.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2002/11/01/rummy-s-plan-to-provoke-terrorist-attacks/

    https://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/dancing-apocalypso-with-microbial.html

    • Replies: @denk
  215. Ron Unz says:
    @Al Liguori

    You have yourself noted that both China and Iran suffered particularly lethal variants—only to turn around and try using California’s cases to “disprove” the special lethality that you yourself have repeatedly noted.

    No, you’re totally confused—I never said that. I did very lightly speculate that the Qom version might have been more lethal than the Wuhan version but nothing else.

    In California, Asians and whites have been facing the same disease and dying at very similar rates. There’s ZERO evidence that Asians are more vulnerable.

    First… you claimed there is “absolutely nothing” to support the existence of COVID racial polymorphisms, so I provided you a representative sample of papers that argue otherwise.

    I’d read one of those ACE2 papers at the time, and the evidence of possibly increased Asian vulnerability was interesting but seemed pretty weak and speculative, though non-scientific conspiracy-activists were constantly promoting it on the Internet.

    However, mere speculation of that sort can’t overcome empirical reality. Worldwide, the actual per capita Covid death rate of Caucasians has been something like 5,000% greater than that of Asians. It’s totally ridiculous to cite a couple of speculative journal articles while completely ignoring that reality.

    My personal background is in theoretical physics and over the decades I’ve also developed a strong background in evolutionary biology and other scientific disciplines. I claim no expertise in microbiology or virology, but I do understand how science works.

    Many non-scientists such as (I assume) yourself probably don’t understand scientific thinking, and seem to assume that a published journal article is magic and citing it proves your case. Nope! If Caucasians have been dying from Covid at a rate 5,000% greater than Asians, you’d need more than a couple of stupid journal articles to convince anyone with a scientific background that Asians are much more vulnerable to Covid than Caucasians.

    Unlike religion, science requires an individual to use his brain rather than just mindlessly cite authorities.

    • Replies: @White Nation
    , @Al Liguori
  216. @Iris

    iris, thank you for your informative reply. i’m sure you’ve read sachs’ recent article which appeared on common dreams/consortium news on the state of the democrats & their sordid trail, leading me to continue question his role in this sudden surfacing as a beacon revealing truth. i suspect he is an envoy sent from soros’ boss to begin possibly to negotiate for time. the empire needs a time out. the trials regarding the bioweapons is supposedly slated for august & given the russians may’ve been assembled more than expected from the dregs stupidly left & badly burned in the trash in the rush of escape. also, given the sanctions from hell haven’t worked as anticipated & russia’s weapons weren’t bravado bt mr. kinzal’s calling card is in truth more than his cv claimed. again, thank you, iris, & warm regards.

    • Thanks: Iris
    • Replies: @Iris
  217. @Ron Unz

    If your claim that White Fatalities are 5000% greater than Asian fatalities is true, then wouldn’t it imply that Covid was a US origin bioweapon against Whites, as opposed to targeting Chinese or Iranians, while the international media worked hand in glove to blame Wuhan Institute and Chinese government?

  218. @Dr. IV

    Stupidity raised to the power of infinity. Who is it meant to impress?

  219. @Ron Unz

    Thank you to reply.

    Not that I have enjoyed this phase of your American Pravda series, but I have read every installment these past two years. While it is true you referred to a few chapters regarding HIV in RFK Jr’s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, I have not been able to locate where ever really address Kennedy’s central thesis about colossal levels of corruption behind the Covid 19 lockdowns, the crushing of our liberties, the jacking of small businesses, the harm to our children, and the bizarre agenda to vaccinate the planet with these experimental products… And now the avalanche of harm from these injections that is coming to our attention. Knock knock, where are you? For real?!?

    Instead, you characterize all such concerns as “crackpottery”. By extension, since Kennedy has been a dedicated vaccine safety advocate for a couple decades now, it is only natural to infer that you are also talking about him too. I repeat, I think you should debate him, or at least have a long open dialog, where you make clear exactly where you agree and where you might not, and what needs to be sorted out.

    Because, really, if you are so irritated by the “anti-vaxxers”, stop mincing around. Mix it up with the man. Show us what you really got. Clean his clock, or eat humble pie. It is past time. Thanks again.

    • Agree: Towey
  220. Wild Man says:
    @Jefferson Temple

    Hello again. Further to my first response comment (#217), I would also like to just drive home the point I made in the last paragraph of comment #217, by way of this link:

    https://2ndsmartestguyintheworld.substack.com/p/why-is-bill-gates-in-london-at-the

    Look through the names. There is a a very large percentage of people of Jewish ethnicity, operating at this faux-west-globalist level – right? This link is not the exception in this respect. It is pretty much par for the course.

    • Thanks: Jefferson Temple
  221. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Claiming to be a scientist, even this token effort should have been your first response, not your hand-waving and insults and “assumptions” that only discredit your inflated and tiresomely repeated self-assessment.

    Your face-saving efforts—e.g., “never said that” versus “did lightly speculate” and “absolutely nothing” versus “a couple of papers” contradictions—are transparent to readers. Similarly transparent is your apparent need to deflate my scientific bona fides because your objections are so weak. I am quite familiar with methodological and interpretive errors and editorial group-think that abound in the peer-reviewed literature, so I have been privately amused by your baseless, habitual “assumptions.”

    That said, neither weaknesses in the “scientific” literature nor an inflated self-assessment cripple me from identifying research leads. Scientific method demands that we hold our conclusions tentatively pending better data and insights. I suggest that you make that a precept of your own “scientific” religion.

    Ken Alibek, two-decade director of Soviet bioweapon research, admitted to stockpiling an enormous variety of creations measured in metric tons, including binary agents, gene-splicing 90% lethal agents together to make 99+% lethal agents, extinction-level lethality. In view of that and noticing the COVID hot spots I think that so tendentiously discarding consideration of especially lethal COVID variants is the real foolishness and crackpottery displayed here.

    Finally, a question I asked of you months ago remains unanswered. Are you the former California legislator who, after passage of the Roberti-Roos Act, opined that it was “the ultimate triumph of symbolism over substance”? I thought that was genius—but then I “assume” decades of neurological decline ravage such genius as well as the pre-frontal inhibitions so necessary to decent human interaction.

  222. Wild Man says:
    @Ron Unz

    Thank-you for the reply. Please, stop insinuating I don’t read. I am selective (as I have already pointed out to you, …. my time is limited as is everybody’s, ….. it’s gotta be worth my while, and as I already indicated to you, I do employ strategies to rate ‘worthwhileness’ in my reading pursuits). But I read quite a lot, every single day, actually, and or course I have read a lot of your offerings. I do understand your position on ‘sars-cov-2 as likely neocon bioweapon’. But there is a matter of a difference of opinion, between you and I, as to what to make of some of the evidence you point to. For example, on this portion of your comment:

    “There’s a massive amount of evidence pointing to American foreknowledge and involvement if you bother to read it.”

    Yes, … I agree there is a crazy amount of evidence, lying about, on that front, but where you and I differ, is that, alternative to your take, I think it is better to feature this reality as:

    There’s a massive amount of evidence pointing to faux-west globalist foreknowledge and involvement if you bother to read it (of which there is an American component, … probably the most prominent component among the faux-western-globalizing influence).

    OK, …. if you buy what I just claimed, then what to make of this portion of your comment?:

    “Meanwhile, the only argument you have on the other side is that “nobody could have been that foolish and reckless.” Well, what about the biowarfare labs the Russians say we were funding in Ukraine? Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal—wasn’t planning a biowarfare attack against them pretty foolish and reckless? Hasn’t our sanctions attack on Russia been a totally disastrous failure, while moving Russia into a firm alliance with China? Wasn’t that pretty stupid?”

    If forcing a world war 3 confrontation with Russia, is actually in the cards (it sure seems to be), then these points you make about this potential stupidity around the potential likelihood of the existence of western biowarfare labs in Ukraine, and the overt stupidity around the sanctioning of Russia backfiring, ….. may not be as stupid as you think, because these stupidity-elements certainly bring us closer to a world war 3 confrontation with Russia, right?

    Look, ….. all along in discussions within the comments sections of the articles you post at UR, over the last year or so, I think I made it clear that I too entertain the very strong likelihood that sars-cov-2 is indeed a lab-engineered bioweapon, ….. but for completely different reasons than your rationale. For me, I became aware of many many Covid Officialdom lies, as this fiasco transpired, since about the end of April/20. At first it was about the conflation of CFR with IFR. But then there was a whole host of other half-truth lies promoted, throughout the fiasco, and I think by the summer of 2021, my count was up to about 11 great big huge mothaf*cka Covid Officialdom lies, that I had counted (and shared within comments at the website). There have been further Covid Officialdom lies since then, but by then, my premise was so-well substantiated, I lost interest in counting anymore. To me, there was a clear signal of intentionality embedded within this matrix, or web, of lies. And that clear signal was this:

    – Covid Officialdom: ‘It’s all about the vaxx baby! (Or more accurately, ‘it’s all about the expression of the peculiarities of the sars-cov-2 spike, with its peculiar routes of pathogenesis!’)

    – or to restate in a different format of sentiment, it has been like this – Covid Officialdom: ‘Don’t you know, we are all vaxxo-shite ride or die folk, and so you dear public, are gonna be forced to be, as well’

    In the end, your take on ‘sars-cov-2 as likely bioweapon’ is too simplistic, as it does not account for all the Covid Officialdom lies.

    Anyways, …. I don’t mean to deflate you with respect to your pursuit of your narrative. If to begin with, a more simplistic narrative featuring at least some truthiness is able to gain more traction, … I am OK with that. I am a pragmatist, too. I hope you and others can continue to make hay over your contentions. If you happen to turn over some big neocon rocks laying about, to see what slithers from under there, … good on you, …. I am sure that the whole neocon worldview is something that is muchly used to advantage by the faux-west globalists (among a bunch of other worldviews that they also use to advantage, actually), and discrediting neocons here and there, is completely fair game and warranted. But what I am concerned about, is ….. let’s suppose your narrative gains traction (I hope it does), …… will it be twisted into some other ugly faux-west globalizing misdirection, at that juncture? How can I be sure that you yourself, won’t go down that road, if it turns out you completely reject my more nuanced take, as to the facts on the ground?

    In the end, it is this faux-west globalism that must be reigned in, first and foremost. If you are not up for that gig, because you actually detest that gig as wrong-headed or something, I would prefer to know sooner instead of later.

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  223. IreneAthena says: • Website

    It must be difficult to be “point man” fielding every question on every aspect of the Big Lies that have been told about the origins and treatment of Covid19.

    Is there a journalistic red line (such as, publicly questioning the efficacy and safety of the Covid19 shots) that someone in Ron Unz’s position must not cross, in order to avoid consequences? He has already, for noble causes, crossed Google’s red line, and FaceBook’s. He may have determined that, given the consequences, it is not expedient to cross that particular red line at this time.

    https://www.unz.com/article/how-spooks-and-the-establishment-media-are-circling-the-wagons/

  224. Iris says:
    @emersonreturn

    the russians may’ve been assembled more than expected from the dregs stupidly left & badly burned in the trash in the rush of escape

    To illustrate your point, here are fresh news that just came out on RT.

    It was found out that Metabiota, a company affiliated to the Pentagon and funded through Hunter Biden, had been actively collecting Ebola viruses in West Africa, under the disguise of supporting the WHO efforts against the pandemic.

    These viruses were to be transported and “studied” at a lab in Mechnikov University, in the Ukrainian port city of Odessa. Given that no Ebola case was ever identified in the Ukraine, it is clear that this research was kept secret because its purpose was not therapeutic. This sort of news must be like a massive punch in the face to the Lancet scientific committee members, and other do-gooders who have been preaching the natural origins of Covid for two years now.

    https://www.rt.com/news/558642-russian-defense-ministry-us-pathogen-research/

  225. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Wild Man

    ALERT: “ranting about Jews”

    The perpetrators are not stupid (though there is that tribal propensity to inflated self-assessment http://judaism.is/high-iq.html and over-confidence), but they adhere to a genocidal creed http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html . That creed is not an inconsequential abstraction, but their raison d’être—ginning up their world wars http://judaism.is/world-wars.html , abortion http://judaism.is/abortion.html, goyim disarmament http://judaism.is/disarming-goyim.html , mainstreaming perversion http://judaism.is/perversion.html , their economic crimes against humanity http://judaism.is/usury.html , and the plagues and “cures” they unleash http://judaism.is/jew-flu.html to hasten arrival of their moshiach Anti-Christ http://judaism.is/kabbalah.html . Their “science” and lies serve the one they really worship. Little of that is born of stupidity, but of the deepest evil.

  226. @Wild Man

    Well, thanks for that. I had to read it twice but I generally see what you mean. The complicity with, and back-scratching of the billionaires by the entrenched bureaucracy (basically the deep state, or a large component of it) means it is impossible to effectively oppose all of this unless and until there is a sufficient awakening and run for the pitchforks by the billions who have been going along in good faith up til now.

    There seems to be a bit of hope now and then, as with Canadian truckers, French yellow vests, and now the Dutch farmers but it will likely take a true worldwide awakening to turn it around. The bastards are just too well connected and good at hiding in plain sight with the aid of fake news and cultural pressure.

    I especially liked the link to the secondsmartestguy. Nobody really thinks the leaders are really the leaders and that was a fine example of how they’re not in charge of anything.

  227. Thanks to all contributors for an informative thread.
    I am even more convinced that Sachs use of the Lancet (mourning for a venerable institution) is simply attempted damage control.
    Given the progress of the case against the USA (ie those who run it) this attempt will not succeed.

    There will be very grave outcomes for the children of satan and their servants in the not distant future. See also Reiner Fuellmich and teams on consequences for makers and administrators of”vaccoines”.
    It remains as it always has been to be on the side of righteousness.

  228. @Iris

    thank you for your reply & link. yes, i’d read this on my morning perusal. not altogether a surprise that hunter was involved bt the time frame, extent & ebola connection was most rivetting. as i recall the statement was released by a senior if not the most senior official in charge of bio weapon research. i suspect the russians hold some very real hard evidence. thank you again for your reply.

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  229. @Iris

    iris, i’d thought of mentioning the saker being down b/c of an attack bt reconsidered, assuming you were already aware. well, i’ve just been able to access the site once again, &, co-incidence undoubtedly, bt one of the posts today is on a tranche of russian military docs on bio weapons.

  230. Treg says:

    Ron, does this evidence add to your argument?

    Look who received a patent in 2013 and is a 1 in 75 million chance “reasonable” in any sense?

    Moderna! Guilty for worldwide mass murder.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2022-07-07-biochemical-statistical-evidence-confirms-moderna-created-covid19.html

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  231. @Iris

    Given that Congo-Crimea Haemorrhagic Disease manifests somewhat like Ebola, which putatively comes from the aforementioned Congo, too, and both are RNA viruses, some ‘interesting’ recombinations may be possible. NOTHING on Heaven, Earth or Hell is beyond the USA and its stooges.

  232. denk says:
    @denk

    Jan 2012
    DHS predicted a global pandemic ‘within a year‘ [[1]

    Jun 2012
    NIH sponsored scientists Ron Fouchier and Yoshihiro Kawaoka proudly publicised their recipe for H5N1 bird flu weaponisation.

    Why would any sane person publish details about how to weaponize bird flu? We are not dealing with sane people. We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.

    This act of publishing the detail how-to of airborne transmissible virulent Bird Flu is just for plausible deniability before the western Illuminati employs it. They will say it is an act of rogue terrorists and nothing to do with their MIC.

    [2]

    Dec 2012
    H7N9 hit China.

    [1]
    Incidentally, DHS’s pardner , the notorious FBI was dubbed ‘terrorists factory’…cuz over 90% of ‘domestic terrorism’ had been found to be FBI FF

    [2]
    https://web.archive.org/web/20141115034550/http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/weaponized-bird-flu-research-published-as-virus-just-mutations-away-from-pandemic/

  233. @Al Liguori

    Alibek is a long-term CIA asset, so his ‘revelations’ concerning Soviet bio-weapons research are WORTHLESS. He’s done well in the USA, parroting CIA talking-points, and even returned to work in Kazakhstan, where the USA had a number of bio-weapons labs, and access to viruses collected in Soviet times, including from our friends, the bats. Actually his Wikipedia page in quite funny. Alibek, allegedly, decided that the USA had NO bio-weapons research programs ongoing, so he must be deaf, dumb and blind.

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  234. Ron Unz says:
    @Treg

    Ron, does this evidence add to your argument?

    Look who received a patent in 2013 and is a 1 in 75 million chance “reasonable” in any sense?

    Moderna! Guilty for worldwide mass murder.

    I looked at the article and some of the supposed evidence does seem pretty suspicious to me. However, there are some major problems:

    (1) There’s no named author and the article appeared on an extreme conspiracy-website raising serious doubts about its reliability. Worse still, it cites evidence from Glenn Beck and InfoWars, which are ultra-unreliable sources. So I really don’t know whether I can trust any of its claims.

    (2) I just don’t have the professional expertise in microbiology or virology to properly evaluate the scientific arguments cited or the papers linked. That’s exactly the reason none of my own analysis relies on questions of science.

    One or two of the commenters here do have exactly that sort of strong scientific background in those areas, so maybe I’ll try to bring it to their attention and see what they think.

    • Replies: @Punch Brother Punch
  235. Ron Unz says:
    @Al Liguori

    Finally, a question I asked of you months ago remains unanswered. Are you the former California legislator who, after passage of the Roberti-Roos Act, opined that it was “the ultimate triumph of symbolism over substance”? I thought that was genius

    I don’t have a clue what nonsense you’re talking about—I’ve never held any elective office. Apparently, you’ve been very actively commenting on this website for four years now, with more than 1,300 total comments, mostly ranting about Jews. But in all that time you’ve apparently never bothered to click the link providing my detailed personal background, which includes quite a number of mainstream media profiles of my activities:

    https://www.unz.com/masthead/#who-is-ron-unz

    This exchange began when you foolishly argued that Covid was designed to be especially deadly to Asians and relatively harmless to whites. In the real world, whites have died from Covid at a rate roughly 5,000% greater than Asians, so your theory seems extremely implausible, but you continue to promote it by spouting a mass of totally irrelevant verbiage.

    I’m not sure if you’re just a mental-defective, who hangs around this website because you’ve been banned everywhere else. But it is clear that you’re someone with absolutely no understanding of science or the scientific method.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Fran Taubman
  236. @Ron Unz

    The COVID-19 issue is ramping up. I trust Ron Unz more than any bullshit pinball or video games or social media scores.

  237. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Yes, after describing the Soviet bioweaponry at length, he offhandedly stated that, of course, the US only does defensive research—an amusing point in his otherwise very depressing book.

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  238. @Ron Unz

    Gee, thanks for your bio. I was interested only whether or not that quote was yours. It wasn’t yours. OK. Thanks for deigning to answer, but what made you think I needed or wanted your bio? Your sense of self-importance seems boundless.

    This exchange began when you foolishly argued that Covid was designed to be especially deadly to Asians and relatively harmless to whites.

    No. The exchange began when you were annoyed by my post of PNAC’s explicit “specific genotypes” agenda: https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/page/n71/mode/2up/search/specific+genotypes

    The PNAC ethnic bioweapon agenda is a verifiable fact that bothered you. Since your pique, you have directed 5 comments consisting of 1,205 words (yeah, I too have word count capability) of which zero words address specific methodological or interpretive criticisms of the 4 representative peer-reviewed articles about COVID’s racial polymorphisms cited by me:

    Zhao Y., Zhao Z., Wang Y., Zhou Y., Ma Y., Zuo W. Single-cell RNA expression profiling of ACE2, the receptor of SARS-CoV-2. Am J Respir Crit Care Med. 2020;202:756–759.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/32663409/

    Choudhary S, Sreenivasulu K, Mitra P, Misra S, Sharma P. Role of genetic variants and gene expression in the susceptibility and severity of COVID-19. Ann Lab Med. 2021; 41(2): 129- 138. https://doi.org/10.3343/alm.2021.41.2.129

    Suryamohan, K., Diwanji, D., Stawiski, E.W. et al. Human ACE2 receptor polymorphisms and altered susceptibility to SARS-CoV-2. Commun Biol 4, 475 (2021). https://doi.org/10.1038/s42003-021-02030-3

    Bulk and single-cell transcriptomics identify tobacco-use disparity in lung gene expression of ACE2, the receptor of 2019-nCov
    Guoshuai Cai
    medRxiv 2020.02.05.20020107; doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.02.05.20020107

    You have cited zero verifiable references for your “5,000%” factoid (as if the world really knows the actual Chinese death toll). The emissions from crematoria just might give a real scientist pause:

    You have made expansive claims (“absolutely nothing”, “never said”) only to walk them back (“a couple of research papers”, “did lightly speculate”) when called out on your hysterical rhetoric that you pass off as science.

    So much for your claim of special scientific expertise. So, unless you have more to offer than looping your inflated self-image or have more amusing insults…

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
  239. denk says:

    Less than one year after DHS warning on global pandemic, China was hit by another bout of H7N9.

    Should the U.S. intend to launch a global pandemic for the purposes of population reduction and/or genocide, what better mechanism than to plant a bug in a faraway country, to obscure the genesis of the initiating event and to make this appear as if this were out of the U.S.’s control and jurisdiction?

    The fact that several selective delivery systems for biological/chemical warfare have already been documented within the borders of the United States adds credence to the perception that a flu planted in another country could be used as a cover for a selective devastation of certain demographic groups within the First World. The declaration of a global pandemic gives the WHO the power to mandate vaccinations, overriding sovereign national law concerning the right of refusal.

    Vaccines, imposter pharmaceuticals, the double line water system — any and all of these mechanisms could be used to launch a bio/chem attack under the cover of a global pandemic.

    Rings a bell ?

    https://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

  240. geokat62 says:

    This thread is not intended for the nonsense spouted by crazy Flu Hoaxers or anti-Vaxxers…

    Looks like one of Ron’s beloved “American” newspapers is promoting the nonsense spouted by the crazy Flu Hoaxers and anti-Vaxxers.

    Introductory paragraphs to Wall Street Journal article, Why the Rush for Toddler Vaccines?

    ‘This is a very historic milestone, a monumental step forward,” President Biden declared last week after the Food and Drug Administration authorized Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for toddlers. “The United States is now the first country in the world to offer safe and effective Covid-19 vaccines for children as young as 6 months old.”

    In fact, we don’t know if the vaccines are safe and effective. The rushed FDA action was based on extremely weak evidence. It’s one thing to show regulatory flexibility during an emergency. But for children, Covid isn’t an emergency. The FDA bent its standards to an unusual degree and brushed aside troubling evidence that warrants more investigation.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-the-rush-for-toddler-vaccines-covid-pandemic-children-fda-pfizer-moderna-medicine-evidence-11656951993

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    , @Wild Man
  241. @Al Liguori

    Why do you believe ANYTHING a high-level defector says?

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  242. Anon[296] • Disclaimer says:

    Funny take

  243. Ron Unz says:
    @geokat62

    Looks like one of Ron’s beloved “American” newspapers is promoting the nonsense spouted by the crazy Flu Hoaxers and anti-Vaxxers.

    Either your reading skills or your memory must be weak. Here’s a sentence from one of my articles on the vaxxing controversy, and I’d said the same thing on numerous other occasions:

    Moreover, the vaccination of children or the youthful seems very misguided given mildness of the illness for those age-cohorts.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-vaxxing-anthony-fauci-and-aids/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  244. Wild Man says:
    @geokat62

    We are now entering the triple-be-witching hour of the competing narratives. Which one is it?:

    1) sars-cov-2 is devastating but the new vaxx technology helped blunt the devastation to the tune of millions and millions of lives saved

    2) sars-cov-2 is devastating because our officials made all the wrong choices (inclusive of going all-in on a new vaxx technology that has failed massively)

    3) sars-cov-2 isn’t devastating, but it does kill (mostly older folk near the end of their lives, and unhealthy people with co-morbidities). The new vaxx technology might have helped, if it was limited to use in only these vulnerable groups (which may well have been the Trump strategy, once the level of adverse effects became known, by about May/21, and the very low efficacy vis-a-vis recovery from a wild covid infection became known, by about May/21, if Trump would have prevailed in the 2020 election, which I am quite sure he actually did).

    I guess it is a toss-up between #2 and #3. However, which of the three do you think Mr. Unz is lining up behind? Well, it has got to be #1 right, otherwise, why would his ‘anti-vaxxers’ rhetoric be so Howard-Stern-like? Either the anti-vaxxers (actually western-experimental vaxx-hesitant) have a point or they don’t – right? If they have a point (not generally safe, and not at all effective beyond use as a very short-term therapeutic), then it is massively stupid to deride the so-called anti-vaxxers like Mr. Unz has done. It doesn’t matter that he seems to be on the fence with respect to whether the massive vaxxo-shite coercion and discrimination was warranted, (which is a secondary matter to the primary point of shaming the vaxx-hesitant as ‘stupid anti-vaxxers’, … he is already shaming us, as too stupid to see straight, and so it’s just a small step from there, to the coercion and the discrimination).

    So Mr. Unz is a #1’er, even though he hasn’t overtly said so yet. It’s just too funny. Why would anyone buy his ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ theory, if on the associated/correlated topic (vaxxes) he is so massively full of obfuscatory DENIAL? There is no way in the world that Mr. Unz can make a cogent argument that these vaxxes have saved millions and millions of lives. Now, ….. the ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ theory (my version) does have alot going for it, because it explains the massive massive amount of Covid Officialdom lying over the past two+ years, and it doesn’t rely on the good ole shell game (look here, not there), with respect to the links between the virus pathogenesis and the vaxx adverse event pathogenesis (like Mr. Unz’s version of the ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ theory does rely on this good ole shell game, and as well Mr. Unz’s theory in no way shape or form accounts for all the Covid Officialdom lying).

    So what gives? Is Mr. Unz purposely running a bogus ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ narrative, because it will obviously be discredited (in the fullness of time) for the reasons I just gave, in order to run interference on the much much better version of the ‘sars-cov-2 as bioweapon’ theory (mine)?

    Here are the important elements, to Mr. Unz’s way of thinking on this topic:

    1) sars-cov-2 is a devastating health crisis that caused 10’s of millions of worldwide deaths (note this is higher than the official counts, and as well, he does not like to feature this in terms of person-years of lives lost, so as to better feature just what type of person is, by far, the most likely to succumb)

    2) the anti-vaxxers (actually experimental-vaxx-hesitant) are massively stupid on this topic, ergo, the vaxxes must be both safe and effective, and as such these vaxxes must have saved millions and millions of lives (weird because Mr. Unz has concurred the the western experimental vaxx death rates are in the neighborhood of 1 per 25,000 double-jabbed, … but obviously, he must not think that death rate is problematic, which would be the first time in modern history that a vaxx for a respiratory virus was deemed problematic-free, at these vaxx-death-rate levels)

    3) ‘Neocon’ as culprit as cover for ‘faux-west globalist’ (when in fact, ‘neocon’ is simply one element of many within ‘faux-west-globalism’).

    Misdirection is at play here, folks! Look, … people like me, saw the writing on the wall, by mid-2020, that this was shaping up to be a massive coercive effort to get everybody vaxxed, no matter what. And what happened despite Covid Officialdom promises otherwise (that it would be a voluntary program)? Why didn’t Mr. Unz get that right like I did? Why didn’t he freak about Covid Officialdom’s nonchalant attitude with respect to the potential dangers associated with the mRNA technology, used like this (especially given the unknown virus origins) like I did?

    The virus was lab-engineered. It is a bioweapon (i.e. – even if this was an accidental release, the downstream actions by officials everywhere, including in China, indicate that, once it was released, even accidentally, it was used as bioweapon nevertheless, because all these officials lied about it). The virus condition was used to force the vaxx program (as substantiated by the Covid Officialdom matrix of lies). The vaxx program features a pathogenic delivery mechanism (nanolipid, as a pathogenic delivery mechanism, because it allows for vascular involvement), that allows for new and more systemic routes of spike-pathogenesis. Look, I am not gonna get on my high-horse, (like Mr. Unz) and claim this as my theory for which I should be glorified, because this is just all so obvious. This is the people’s theory. And it is true.

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  245. geokat62 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Either your reading skills or your memory must be weak.

    lol, could be the former, definitely not the latter, as it has absolutely nothing to do with what you’ve written and everything to do with the contents of the cited WSJ article.

    You see, it all depends on whether the excerpt I bolded in my previous comment applies strictly to children or is a more generic statement, which applies to all age categories.

    “In fact, we don’t know if the vaccines are safe and effective. The rushed FDA action was based on extremely weak evidence.”

    I took this statement to apply to vaccines in general that were given to all age categories, not just children.

    Since I don’t have access to the entire article (behind a paywall), perhaps someone who does could confirm whether I’m right or wrong.

  246. “Russian Defense Ministry: the US put medical experiments on the Ukrainian military”
    Читайте больше на https://www.pravda.ru/world/1726004-vozbuditeli_smertelnykh_boleznei/
    I have found “the virus”: Jewmerica is “the virus”.

  247. to ron unz

    thank you for your work & willingness to discuss freely the subject of covid, & its possible/probable origins, a topic some sites have banned, shunned & forbidden. i am not familiar with why the saker no longer publishes here bt i suspect many here are, as well o/c you…bt i am also certain that you wish him or his site no harm & that you are aware of his site having been targeted. my appeal to you is simply this: one the day the saker was assaulted it had published a tranche of documentation released by the RF MOD. the files released are highly interesting & shed much light upon the subject (& it is indeed ironic that the saker a site & host not @ all favourable towards the notion let alone fact of covid being a bio weapon should be the site to publish this tranche). i appeal to you, to read & to also publish this tranche. it is important & indeed will undoubtedly included in the case the RF MOD will present in their upcoming war trials. thank you.

  248. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Some things defectors (and rabbis) say are corroborated. Some things defectors (and rabbis) say are self-incriminatory. One need not be credulous to notice important admissions by defectors (and rabbis).

    Interesting that the Wuhan crematoria emissions image disappeared.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  249. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Wild Man

    You are correct. Cognitive infiltration is an old trick. The enemies of all mankind offer competing narratives and half-truths to discourage researchers into a maze of dead ends. http://judaism.is/resources.html

  250. Iris says:
    @emersonreturn

    Hello dear. I think you might be interested in this article, referenced on RT and published on a Russian defence website.

    The author summarises well the interrogations that lead to Pr Sachs making his strong and unorthodox conclusions:

    1) The inability to find, over two years into the pandemic, any sign of zoonotic origin.

    2) The reverse viral experiments showing that SARS-CoV-2 does not survive in bats’ and animals cells, as if it were solely adapted to the human organism.

    3) The ability of SARS-CoV-2 to ubiquitously attack different types of cells within the human respiratory, nasopharynx, trachea and lungs, a feat that no other respiratory virus can achieve.

    4) And finally the EcoHealth Alliance and the lovely Pr Baric applying in 2018 for a DARPA loan to develop a virus presenting exactly the above “improvements”.

    Hello dear. I think you might be interested in this article, referenced on RT and published on a Russian defence website.

    The author summarises well the interrogations that lead to Pr Sachs making his strong and unorthodox conclusions:

    1) The inability to find, over two years into the pandemic, any sign of zoonotic origin.

    2) The reverse viral experiments showing that SARS-CoV-2 does not survive in bats’ and animals cells, as if it were solely adapted to the human organism.

    3) The ability of SARS-CoV-2 to ubiquitously attack different types of cells within the human respiratory, nasopharynx, trachea and lungs, a feat that no other respiratory virus can achieve.

    4) And finally the EcoHealth Alliance and the lovely Pr Baric applying in 2018 for a DARPA loan to develop a virus presenting exactly the above “improvements”,

    These are pretty strong arguments; there must have been heated debates going on at The Lancet.

    These are pretty strong arguments; there must have been heated debates going on at The Lancet recently.

    https://en.topwar.ru/198647-vse-delo-v-shipah-amerikanskaja-darpa-mozhet-byt-prichastna-k-prichinam-pandemii-covid-19.html?ysclid=l5dfj2j2ex577186764

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  251. @Iris

    thank you, iris, i am indeed very interested. cheers.

  252. Mark Hunter says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    David Martin (not to be confused with the “DC Dave” Martin who has appeared on the Unz Review) does seem to be a crank but that doesn’t mean the Covid injections won’t cause a great number of deaths or indeed haven’t done so already.  Listen to Edward Dowd, who was an investment manager at Blackrock for many years, discussing the research an associate has done on life insurance statistics – I made an abridged version of a video interview that is 33 minutes long:
        Pharmaceutical Fraud
    Or read these selections of an interview with Dr. Ryan Cole:
        A Pathologist Speaks Out

    The phrase “Flu Hoaxers” makes sense, referring to those who claim there was nothing new about the original Covid, it was just another flu.  They are beyond ignorant.  However “Anti-Vaxxers” is confusing.  If you mean those who think the Covid injection is neither safe nor effective it would make sense, but the word is now like “conspiracy theorist,” just a label with which to smear critics of the injection.

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  253. denk says:

    Seems opportunity always beckons, in the form of ‘terrarist’ attack, ‘earthquake’, ‘tsunami’, ‘pandmic‘, whenever USAss covets an intervention ?

    Or Is it a case of
    gawd helps those who help themselves ?

    Plague Big Opportunity, Rat Says

    Wilbur Ross on c19

    it does give businesses [cough] yet another thing to consider when they go through their review of their supply chain,
    “On top of all the other things, you had SARS, you have the African swine virus there, now you have this. It’s another risk factor that people need to take into account.”

    When gringo talk about ‘competing with China’, its all about wrecking the Chinese supply chain, .
    Trump’s trade war didnt cut it but Ross was gloating on C19 great promise to bring on USAss coveted GLOBAL Chinese Exclusion Act, forcing an exodus of foreign investment

    Interesting that he’d mention SARS as well.

    Fact is, USAss trade war didnt start with Trump, he merely escalated it.

    SARS was the first major attempt to torpedo
    Chinese economy…

    Jon Rappoport

    Trade wars go on all the time, and the US versus Asia is no exception. The US CDC has pitched in to put a major crinkle in Asia’s economies.

    Michael C. Ruppert and Wayne Madsen
    Combining Biological and Economic Warfare

    Hitting China in the Pocketbook

    A look at a series of stories in The Wall Street Journal shows the economic damage done to China and also that the economic impact of the disease is mutating perhaps as quickly as the virus itself.

    On April 21, 2003, in a story headlined, “China Economy to Slow as SARS Takes Toll,” the Journal described the heavy economic toll the disease was taking and observed, “But the weekend news unnerved many Chinese. Wang Haibo, a boisterous 27-year-old accountant carrying a bag full of disinfectant bottles for her office said she and her co-workers planned to lobby their bosses for a month off, even without pay.” That sounds like a perfect 10 from the CIA’s intended results of bioweapons as psychological terror tools.

    http://www.whale.to/v/sars1.html

    https://www.fromthewilderness.net/free/ww3/050903_SARS.html

    https://gizmodo.com/plague-big-opportunity-rat-says-1841363830

    https://www.unz.com/article/covid-19-may-have-originated-in-us-biolab-lancet-commission-chair/#comment-5426887

    PS
    from the horse mouth….
    PNAC 1997
    Race specific virus can be used as a very
    effective political [or economic] weapon.
    —————————————

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  254. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Mark Hunter

    Hi Mark Hunter, The “thanks” is for the Edward Dowd and Dr. Ryan Cole links.

    I’m less concerned than I had been earlier in the week about Ron Unz’s directing counter-vaccine-narrative commenters to posts in the “Anti-vaxx” topic heading. Since then, I’ve had no problem posting comments challenging the “Safe ‘n’ Effective” mantra, on posts not under the “Anti-Vaxx” heading.

    I don’t know much about what David Martin has been up to lately. I remember after the pandemic started, he was one of the first people to talk about pharmaceutical companies getting coronavirus patents pre-pandemic, and at least some of those claims turned out to be true.

    Lately, I’ve been more interested in the legal efforts of Dr. Reiner Fuellmich, who has been on tour (“Crimes Against Humanity”) this year organizing legal action on behalf of those adversely affected by Covid19 public health policies, including mRNA vaccines. Here are overviews of the sessions he and others have had hashing out various related topics together.

    https://corona-investigative-committee.com/sessions/

  255. @Al Liguori

    Probably returned home to Langley. Defectors are of no use unless they say what their new Masters want to hear.

  256. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I sound like a broken record as I keep bringing up Reiner Fuellmich, but these sessions are really fascinating, and hopeful. The focus is on responses (both in US and globally) to Covid19, but these 112 (so far) multi-hour sessions also touch on topics like the Netherlands farmer protests; environmental issues; the war in Ukraine; the Great Reset and the Destruction of Civil Society. These videos are what I imagine the best discussions on Unz might look like if they were held in person — minus all the nastiness and ad hominem attacks.

    Thanks Ron Unz, for this site. I’ll try to be quiet now.

  257. @Mary Marianne

    The deaths of a handful of Iranians who obviously embraced a superspreader just returned from. Qom has been a distraction because Ron and others have failed to see how easily the kind of superspreading by a Christian woman in Korea explains it

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  258. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @Charles

    Makes no sense. You don’t create a pathogen and forget the antidote. Even Americans aren’t that stupid. Further, SARS-Cov-2 is a lousy bio weapon: only 5600 dead Chinese, hardly any economic damage. Or were US spooks trying to kill off their own: >1,000,000 dead Americans, recession coming?
    Further, the virus is mutating, ie evolving naturally, bad for a weapon, good for Nature. And it’s “improving”: not killing its host so fast, allowing for “better” transmission and infection.
    As an early researcher said, ‘It’s too messy for man made; we’d make it neater, more stable, controllable.’
    Conclusion: The virus is natural, most probably zoonotic.

  259. @Wizard of Oz

    Suffering discrete little blackouts are we, Wizz? They’re called Transient Ischaemic Attacks, TIAs, and presage a CVA. Better see your vet. Iranians just returned from. Where Wizz? Alpha Centauri? Paradise? Bunnings?

  260. denk says:
    @denk

    Wilbur Ross slip of tongue

    We’ve been crapping all kind of shit at the chinaman , SARS, swine flu…etc , still they marched on .
    But looks like covid might just to the trick.

    He forgot to mention the many flavor of bird flu ,such as H7N9, H5N1 etc devastating Chinese poultry industry practically every few years,
    courtesy of you know who.

    Mind you, H7N9, H5N1 had both been gofed weaponised by NIH appointed scientists, who chose to publicise their achievement to all and sundry.

    Jun 2012
    NIH sponsored scientists Ron Fouchier and Yoshihiro Kawaoka proudly advertised their recipe for H5N1 bird flu weaponisation.

    Why would any sane person publish details about how to weaponize bird flu? We are not dealing with sane people. We are dealing with people infected by the blasphemous reality of the mentally ill: Satanism. We are dealing with Illuminists-Satanists who are out to execute their agenda for depopulation, genocide, fomenting chaos, diseases, deaths, violence …. to initiate hell on earth … to prepare the way for their fake messiah, the Anti-Christ, the bringer of false peace, the white horseman of Revelation 6. They want to use bio-weapons and even race specific Bird Flu in this coming Satanic World War 3.

    This act of publishing the detail how-to of airborne transmissible virulent Bird Flu is just for plausible deniability before the western Illuminati employs it. They will say it is an act of rogue terrorists and nothing to do with their MIC.

    Dec 2012
    H7N9 hit China.

    2017
    H7N9 recipe was touted to the world

    2019/20
    China was devastated by bird flu, swine flu, army worm and…..covid.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20141115034550/http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2012/06/25/weaponized-bird-flu-research-published-as-virus-just-mutations-away-from-pandemic/

    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

  261. MEH 0910 says:
    @Ron Unz

    And I’d like to reemphasize that I’ve just pointed to Pompeo and Bolton as the most likely suspects because of their background and position in the national security apparatus.

  262. Johan says:

    Ron Unz should run for office or be hired by some big institution, democratic politicians and institutional bureaucrats, in proportion as they have nothing to say always try to impress by means of big numbers and statistics, and in proportion as they are irrational, they try to appear rational that way.

  263. @Ron Unz

    I’m not sure if you’re just a mental-defective, who hangs around this website because you’ve been banned everywhere else. But it is clear that you’re someone with absolutely no understanding of science or the scientific method.

    Why don’t you ban Al Liguori, he is just a nuisance to UR. His comments are very clown like and childish. Obviously he is very deranged, or mentally ill. His posting interrupt the comments and thread narratives. He posts the same content over and over, and over again on every thread.

    Just a thought.

    Thanks
    Fran

    • Troll: Iris
  264. MEH 0910 says:

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/twitter-hiring-alarming-number-spooks-secret-agents/281114/


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  265. MEH 0910 says:
    @MEH 0910

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/meet-ex-cia-agents-deciding-facebook-content-policy/281307/


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