“A Million Iraqis Asked Us to Leave. We Should Listen.”

US government does not even listen to the hundreds of millions of her own citizens who want US to leave Iraq. Why does Ron think that it will listen to the Iraqis?

Let the people of the Middle East solve their own problems.

Supposing Putin arms Iraq and their Iranian pals. Saudi Arabia cannot defend itself. The US army cannot be kept in Saudi Arabia, and if the US wants the Saudi oil money to the kept in US bonds then the US must be prepared to use military force to defend Saudi Arabia. I might point out that Ron Paul’s son had to have part of his lung removed after a neighbour attacked him over a pile of grass cuttings on Paul’s own property. That neighbour thought that what was going on over the property borderline was his problem, and he was going to take action. The Iranians have it in for Saudi Arabia. It really will not do to walk away from Saudi Arabia; does Paul think China would hesitate to build a base in Saudi?

… and let’s solve our problems at home

https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/chinese-fentanyl-is-fueling-the-us-opioid-crisis-drug-trade-tensions-escalate

Last year, more than 49,000 Americans died from opioid-related overdoses. The majority of those deaths, 60 percent, involved fentanyl, a synthetic opioid up to 50 times more potent than heroin. Between 2014 and 2016, the number of fentanyl-related deaths skyrocketed by almost 600 percent.
China leads the world in the production and supply of fentanyl and the chemical precursors used to manufacture the drug. Roughly 68 percent of all global fentanyl movements originate in China, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency.

China agreed to make fentanyl a controlled substance after talks with US at G20 summit, but they keep on selling it. And so called free trade with China put people out a job who are killing themselves inthe White Death. Trump. Finally, someone who knows the Chinese for what they are and is treating them as such. As intellectual property thieves, as pirates, as murderers.

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/event/donald-trump-the-making-of-a-world-view/
Trump has given numerous interviews since the 1980s which do indicate a more consistent insight into his political views, particularly on foreign policy. For example, throughout the 1980s Trump was especially critical of Saudi Arabia, Japan and NATO for not appreciating the security that the US provided them; this remains a priority of Trump’s in the present day. […] Trump is generally much more critical of America’s allies than of its enemies, such as when he expresses admiration for Putin yet advocates higher tariffs on foreign cars that are imported into the US. Putin has clearly exploited this rhetoric in the past and will likely continue to do so in the future. Dr Simms concluded his talk by reiterating that while many people may be concerned by Donald Trump’s comments in recent months, they cannot claim to be shocked or surprised given that he has been making similar remarks for the past thirty five years.Dr Simms responded that Trump’s desire for American greatness is based primarily on trade and economic power and so he is mainly concerned with countries that either rival the US economy (e.g. China) or that undermine American strength by exploiting relations with the US (e.g. NATO). […]

Trump does not see himself as an isolationist. He simply rejects the notion of US exceptionalism and wishes to use US power in order to correct this imbalance. […] As for his support of certain policies, Trump did state that he would back the Iraq War provided WMDs were a legitimate threat. Furthermore, Trump’s support for harsher political and economic measures on Iran dates back to the 1980s.

Ron Paul’s economic policies are a recipe for China overtaking a hollowed out West in every respect after a very few decades. His military policies would instantly bind the West hand and foot and deliver it to China to do with as it wishes.

The vote to force the U.S. out was 52% (170 of 328 MP’s). Iranian operatives in Iraq applied maximum pressure to obtain this outcome:
— The vote was party whipped
— And, rushed to prevent constituents from reaching their MP’s

There is no reason to believe the Iraqi people want the U.S. gone.
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The history is:
— Bush made Iraq vulnerable to Persian colonization.
— Barack Hussein (intentionally or accidentally) funded Iranian colonial aggression.

It would be immoral for the U.S. abandon defenseless Iraqi civilians to the mess that Barack & Bush made.
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As an act of weakness, cowering before Persian Jihadists would guarantee more Iranian violence against U.S. Citizens at home and abroad.

After the sociopath Ayatollah Khameni leaves power, the U.S. will have a large opportunity to withdraw from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

PEACE 😇
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Has either of the commenters “Sean” or “A123” been thanked for his service?

I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t have first put their lives on the line for Uncle Sam’s global delivery of peace and democracy before urging on their fellow Americans.

After the sociopath Ayatollah Khameni leaves power, the U.S. will have a large opportunity to withdraw from Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

The US will never leave any country voluntarily. Once it arrives, it plans to stay for all eternity, and as Americans we like to believe it is our God-given right to do so.

In the 1960s the French pulled out of NATO and asked that the US remove its forces from their country. It did so mainly by moving them next door into Germany, adding to the total there. I well remember NCOs in my unit in the 1970s in Germany who had been stationed in France and were STILL angry at the nerve of the French asking to have their country back in full. Being a colonial power itself, it knew what militarily occupying another country was really all about.

There is no reason to believe the Iraqi people want the U.S. gone.

Now THAT’S funny!

Under what conditions would Americans tolerate a foreign military occupation of even the friendliest ally, much less an invader who killed, wounded, raped, beat, imprisoned, etc., millions of citizens while destroying so much of the country in the process? Who would not want to have the boot of the American occupier upon his or her neck? Only ingrates?

If this isn’t proof of the success of our internal propaganda, getting ourselves to believe others favor the death and destruction we bring them, I don’t know what is.

‘…So, before more US troops die for nothing in Iraq, why don’t we listen to the Iraqi people and just come home? ‘

Why don’t we?

Because Israel doesn’t want us to, that’s why.

Any other questions?

“We Should Listen.”

That would be a novelty, America listening…to anyone.

The “not listening” is a part of the basic American identity.

That’s why you have such a monstrous military/security establishment – about a trillion dollars a year – to make people do what you say.

It’s amazing that anyone can write such trash and promote such evil. I guess it’s par for the course in the Evil Empire.

The only way to deal with murderous imperial marauders like you is to annihilate you, because honor, decency, truth are not in your vocabulary.

May the Evil Empire and its supporters quickly return to hell, where they belong, forever and ever.

When national interests are at stake policy makers must be under no illusion about the consequences. Interests are at the heart of every war: history shows that interests are also at the heart of every defeat. Getting into another ME conflict has the danger of escalating beyond the region. Then problems will really come home.
https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

Plus about a million dead that wish they never came in the first place!

‘…That’s why you have such a monstrous military/security establishment – about a trillion dollars a year – to make people do what you say.

Ahem. ‘…to make people do what > you Israel says.’

Look at North Korea, Venezuela, illegal immigration, China. If it’s not a matter of what Master wants, we’re really quite ineffectual.

We are here to serve Master. It’s nothing to do with our interests.

‘It’s amazing that anyone can write such trash and promote such evil. I guess it’s par for the course in the Evil Empire…’

Sean’s always promoting some sort of turgid bollocks — but I’ve given up trying to read some sort of sinister design into it.

I think it’s just turgid bollocks.

Your comment, Sean is a bit wandering, but, I’ll make this point:
“The US army cannot be kept in Saudi Arabia,” you say. My answer: Why? They’ve been there for years now, why would they move? KSA won’t ask them to either.
So the premise of your disaster tale is not on. Leaving Iraq will have none of the power vacuum affects.
Although, if Iraq can get China in economicly, then it’s infrastructure will actually get fixed… something the US hasn’t bothered with in 17 years…. Might be nice to have some electricity 24/7….

I thought Pompeo professes to be a Christian…??? How can he be so arrogant then..??? But indeed – more will die…. All for what? If you domthe same thing over and over and you expect a different result – what is that??? Does he not get that is what led to the Islamic Revolution in Iran in the first place?? The Shah was a proxy for the US and UK. That led people to chant the same thing… Meanwhile no one can figure out how to improve the healthcare system in the US which really affects the people… Hundreds of billions wasted.

Your words betray your true thoughts. It is geopolitics and you couldnt care less. Newsflash… Nobody else wants to waste money having bases all over the world. They saw the Soviets crumble because of overextension and they see the huge US deficits. Its scary people like you still exist.

Ron Paul is willing to say things like this because he is one of the (very) few people in the conservative movement who take their own philosophy to its logical conclusion.

Most people on the Right see American politics in terms of a government that has long since abandoned all pretense of constitutional limits, is continually expanding its power, mainly serves monied interests rather than the common people, and is largely resistant to attempts by elected legislatures to set policy. Any right wing patriot, constitutionalist, III%er, etc. would describe the last hundred years or so of US history that way.

At least, that’s how they see the federal government in the domestic sphere. But in foreign matters, they insist on seeing the United States as a noble force for good in every conflict it enters.

http://www.twilightpatriot.com/2020/01/oppression-at-home-and-liberty-abroad.html

It doesn’t make a lot of sense. You would think that a regime that doesn’t care about human rights at home wouldn’t care about human rights abroad either. In theory, everyone should be able to see this; in practice, tribal thinking gets in the way, and people like Ron Paul who are willing to put two and two together are seldom to be found in high office.

I believe Madison said expansionism abroad inevitably brings tyranny at home. Ron Paul read history, as did Madison.

The question as to why the US won’t withdraw from Iraq has already been correctly answered by Michael Hudson:

https://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-saker-interviews-michael-hudson-2/?highlight=michael+hudson

The US empire is kaput without control of the ME oil resources.