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‘I’ve implied the junction of the organic, the lively, the sweet – in other words, life, the orange – and the mechanical, the cold, the disciplined [the clock].’ Anthony Burgess explaining the title of his novel, A Clockwork Orange.

As the coronavirus sprang upon us in the first months of 2020, it seemed possible that this virus could undo some of the intense polarization that has gripped the nation since at least 2016.

It didn’t turn out that way.

The virus has actually thrown more gas on the fires of discord- something that would have seemed impossible back in the ‘quaint’ days of January 2020 when impeaching the President was all the rage.

Clocks and Oranges

There are two diametrically opposed views on this crisis. The first argues that it’s a catastrophic pandemic and we must drastically change the basic functioning of our civilization until we find a safe way out. Let’s call the folks who follow this view the clocks.

The clocks see nature as a beautiful garden that they’re charged with caring for, cultivating and molding. They are the masters of science, logic, and materialism and feel an obligation to drive nature toward the good, the just and the equitable.

Orange King
Orange King

The other view of the virus is that it’s just one more curveball mother nature has tossed our way. We have survived other pandemics and we’ll survive this one. Those who follow this view are sceptical of the science and feel empowered to embrace their mortality and move one. Let’s call these folks the oranges.

The oranges feel a part of nature. Not only do they accept her harsh realities, they feel empowered by their role in her epic drama. They are not here to change the world, but to be part of it.

The clocks want to convert the oranges into timepieces, creating a ‘clockwork orange’ while the oranges just want to be left alone.

The oranges are leery of change. The clocks want to change absolutely everything.

We all know who the oranges voted for in 2016, and since then the clocks have done everything in their power to remove him.

Death

There is death by COVID-19, and then there is the regular old death and dying. For the clocks, there’s nothing worse than people dying of COVID-19. It has captured their imaginations and infiltrated their psyches.

At the beginning of the outbreak, I made a Twitter list of the most prominent experts on the topic in order to follow what I thought was the ‘science’- lots of PhDs from our most esteemed universities. But I soon noticed that their science was tainted with a heavy dose of ‘clock’ dogma.

Dr. Rivers from Johns Hopkins has her heart in the right place. She is sure, maybe too sure, that she’s doing ‘good’ and she’s baffled by anyone who isn’t terrified of leaving their home without a mask, sanitizer and a heavy dose of fear. The clocks are dumbfounded by the sceptical oranges.

Dr. Mackay tweeted a quote from a story about a pack of oranges, “They are the kind of person who isn’t happy with [what] they are told by experts and prefer to go and seek their own narrative.” He then asked, ‘Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?’ He’s shocked that these people actually want to think.

The Atlantic reported that between 2000 and 2016 as many as 453,000 people had died of opioid overdose. Let’s remember that an opioid addict just doesn’t get sick and die, they spend years destroying themselves, their friends, families and communities before they pass on. But for some reason, people dying this way just doesn’t have the same effect on the clocks as COVID-19 deaths do. In fact, life expectancy among Caucasian Americans has been in decline since the late 1990’s.

In essence, the oranges have had the coronavirus for more than twenty years and the clocks haven’t paid much attention. Anderson Cooper & company have barely mentioned their plight.

Some other folks don’t seem to be very big on the clock radar either, from The Guardian:

The coronavirus crisis will push more than a quarter of a billion people to the brink of starvation unless swift action is taken to provide food and humanitarian relief to the most at-risk regions, the UN and other experts have warned.

About 265 million people around the world are forecast to be facing acute food insecurity by the end of this year, a doubling of the 130 million estimated to suffer severe food shortages last year.

These numbers are breathtaking yet go practically unmentioned as potential victims of COVID-19 policies; these souls exist in the shadows of the clockwork orange.

Clock Science vs. Orange Science

One would have thought, before 2020, that virology and epidemiology were inherently apolitical. Incredibly, even one’s views on antibody tests are highly correlated with voting preference and whether one prefers Tucker Carlson to Rachel Maddow.

By the time the now infamous Stanford led Santa Clara antibody tests came out, I could already predict how my blue check mark list of Twitter experts were going to respond.

‘I think the authors owe us all an apology… not just to us, but to Stanford,’ wrote Andrew Gelman, a professor of statistics and political science and director of the Applied Statistics Center at Columbia University.

Dr. Gelman is a serious clock and he was furious. How could anyone from a reputable university even begin to suggest that we weren’t facing the greatest threat to humanity since the black death. The first wave of antibody test results implied that the infection fatality rate (IFR) was lower than first reported and more carriers were asymptomatic as well. This was NOT good news for the clocks; it was pure heresy.

They wanted the IFR to be higher! Too low an IFR, say below 0.3%, would be far too close to that of the flu.

Harvard’s Dr. Marc Lipsich
Harvard’s Dr. Marc Lipsich

The formidable Dr. Marc Lipsitch is the Grand Poobah of the corona clocks. His quote from The Atlantic article of Feb. 24th really got the clocks wound up and they haven’t been the same since. This is pure clock speak.

The Harvard epidemiology professor Marc Lipsitch is exacting in his diction, even for an epidemiologist. Twice in our conversation he started to say something, then paused and said, “Actually, let me start again.” So it’s striking when one of the points he wanted to get exactly right was this: “I think the likely outcome is that it will ultimately not be containable.”

Lipsitch predicts that within the coming year, some 40 to 70 percent of people around the world will be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19.

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Even the origin of the virus (SARS-CoV-2) falls clearly within this paradigm. The clocks are desperate for it to have come from some hungry peasant chowing down on a bat burger. Not the oranges, they’re sure the clocks cooked it up with Bill Gates watching intently via Zoom. But we should cut the oranges a break on this one. Without ‘exacting diction’ or any higher degrees, they do logically (for once) point out that the Wuhan Institute of Virology has been collecting coronaviruses for almost 15 years and they actually made a hybrid coronavirus that could infect humans. Certainly valid evidence that the lab was at least potentially the source of the virus.

But none other than NPR, the ‘voice’ of the clocks, came to the rescue, assuring us that-

Virus researchers say there is virtually no chance that the new coronavirus was released as result of a laboratory accident in China or anywhere else.

And maybe in the most enlightening remark highlighting the worldview of the clocks,

“The real risk is in the wild in the way people interact with wildlife around the world,” says Peter Daszak, president of EcoHealth Alliance in New York City…

Of course he’s not referring to folks in hazmat suits chasing bats through caves and combing through their excrement. He’s simply telling the oranges to stay the heck out of the woods.

So much for those beloved 17 agencies.

The true enemy is how we interact with nature, the very nature that impels us into the wild to hunt, eat and do all the other things people do in the forest.

Woman eating a bat
Woman eating a bat

The New York Times went so far as to publish an opinion piece where Peter Daszak is oft quoted, titled, We Made the Coronavirus Epidemic – It may have started with a bat in a cave, but human activity set it loose.

Which brings us to how we eat.

The vegan movement perfectly distills the clock/orange divide. The vegans aim to make a fundamental change in our evolutionary direction, and they might eventually succeed. The vegan argument is an ideological one and it’s being disseminated top down with a strong ethical case. The oranges counter with the paleo diet, nostalgically harking back to our hunter-gatherer days.

The Great Divide

Most of the great minds have been clocks. Pythagoras, Plato, Galileo, Newton and Einstein were surely all clocks. Without them we would still be running around in loincloths and living in caves. For most of history, change came slowly enough for the oranges to digest it and adapt. Of course, the oranges would occasionally rebel and burn a few clocks at the stake, but they would always eventually get with the program.

But as the change the clocks have invoked is starting to become exponential, the oranges are feeling overwhelmed.

The clocks say we are destroying the environment, the oranges see gold in ‘them thar hills’. The clocks say gender is a social construct, the oranges still want to live in a world of Bettys and Bobs. The clocks want us to stay home until ‘science’ gives us a solution, the oranges just want to get on with it.

Though their innovations have decided the course of civilization, the clocks had always been a very small minority. But something has changed. In the era of mass media, the clocks have been able to disseminate their ideas from the great clock bastions: Hollywood, Silicon Valley, academia and the press. The world has become very ‘clocky’.

The clocks are playing to win and the oranges feel like they’re rotting away on the branches. The orange world of gods, spirits, taboos and their ancient traditions of blood and soil are being torn asunder. Alex Tsakiris puts it well- ‘we are biological robots living in a meaningless universe.’

The most important takeaway from the COVID-19 crisis isn’t the science. The ‘science’ depends entirely on one’s politics. Whether to get on with life and take our licks or hunker down and ride it out at home has nothing to do with empirical evidence or peer review; it’s entirely about our ideological leanings and psychological profiles.

Thousands are dying, billions are locked down, business is shuttered; life as we knew it has basically come to a stand still. The clocks and the oranges are in a standoff and the stakes are probably much higher than most realize.

This is not about a pandemic. What we are deciding now is the kind of world we want to live in. The clocks would love us to sit back, follow their sage advice and allow them to usher in a ‘new age’. Sooner or later they will get their way, but are the oranges ready to give in just yet?

So what is it kid? Are you a clock or an orange?

(Republished from Cactusland by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. JasonT says:

    I am an orange with a clock mind.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
  2. So what is it kid? Are you a clock or an orange?

    Good god. If that doesn’t win first place in this month’s battle for arbitrary-dichotomy essay, obligatory rimshot-required thematic tag/stinger award, sell the camper! Does one don a 1940s press hat before typing that final flourish?

    The whole article is a sendup of the dicks/pussies/assholes speech from Team America: World Police, so did they get paid, or will the author claim parody sanctuary?

  3. “Pythagoras, Plato, Galileo, Newton and Einstein were surely all clocks. Without them we would still be running around in loincloths and living in caves. For most of history, change came slowly enough for the oranges to digest it and adapt“

    Hey, great guys, all of em. But inventors they were not. Most of what we use that makes life less nasty, brutish and short was the product of more hands-on type of guys, Edison, Tesla, Westinghouse, Krupp, Ford, Diesel, Bell, the Wright Brothers etc.

    • Agree: DaveE
    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @DaveE
  4. mijj says:

    point of order –
    – clocks are a product of nature too (in the same way that, say, bee hives are a productof nature). Everything in existence is a product of nature, including human beings, their crazy imaginings, and the outcomes of those crazy imaginings.
    (Unless you’re a creationist where God distinguishes between his chosen people and the natural world)

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @clif
  5. g8way says:

    This is a Rorschach Test definition of Clock and Orange. Here is an ink blot, does it look more like a clock or an orange? It seems like the author is thinking of something like “right brain” vs “left brain”, but there’s no way to make sense of the article. The people I’ve seen who are unfazed by the COVID-19 thing are logical, mathematical, scientific type thinkers in the traditional sense. The members of the scientific priest class to which the author refers are people who simply regurgitate what they’ve been taught by the elder members of the priest class. They are the Scholastic pre-Renaissance pre-Enlightment “scientists” who didn’t distinguish between science and magic and gauged their success by approval of the rest of the priest class community.

    • Replies: @4justice
  6. @ThreeCranes

    Also, the idea that Pythagoras was remotely interested in bossing people about, is absolutely ridiculous. People became Pythagoreans voluntarily – whereupon they had to observe the rules of the group or be expelled.

    By stark contrast the ‘clock’ type in the ludicrously-laboured false dichotomy, want to use the power of the state to force compliance in people who want nothing to do with clocks.

    The reason I clicked on the link to the story, was that I thought it was going to say soemthing sensible about ‘obesity’ as a covd19 ‘comorbidity’ by encouraging people to think of ‘high-BMI’ as comprising two very different types of heavy people – heavy people with
     • clearly-identifiable waists (‘hourglass’… clock-ish); cf.
     • no identifiable waist (who basically look ‘apple-shaped’ – like an orange lol).

    Someone with a BMI over 30 and a waist-hip[1] ratio of 0.8 (an ‘hourglass’) is a low-risk heavy person; someone with the same BMI but a waist-hip ratio over 1 (an ‘apple’) is a gigantic fattie with the metabolic shit-show that accompanies moderate obesity.

    In short: I was expecting a play on ‘apple vs hourglass‘… but it all went pear-shaped. (Boom.)

    [1] Waist-hip ratio (WHR) is a decent measure of CVD risk – far better than waist circumference alone, and even more betterer than BMI (which as I’ve said before, is stupid and shit and fucked and anti-scientific).

    For men, waist/chest ratio (WCR) is a better predictor of attractiveness as opposed to metabolic fitness (although the two are obviously related): at around 0.7 all the chicks wanna git wit’chew (because you almost can’t help but have a very obvious ‘V’ taper); at 1.0 you’re very much a lardy-boy.

    Anyone who has done any reasonably serious aesthetically-oriented weight training knows the ‘golden’ ratios… put them all into one person and you get Frank Zane circa 1983.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @obwandiyag
  7. Polemos says:
    @mijj

    Where does Bonomo say that clocks are unnatural?

    What do you take to be Bonomo’s idea for the metaphors of clocks and oranges, besides the quote from Burgess?

  8. I suppose I should be a clock by training, but I remain an orange in temperment, as I have learned to have a healthy respect for unintended consequences and the unknown unknowns. Mine is the only P&L in the company that finished Q1 in the green. My lords and masters were a bit astonished that I was taking risk off all through Q4 of last year because everything was going to the Moon, but there was something being said by all the CEO departures going into the new year, and the WuFlu Lockdown in China was about as bad an omen as one could expect for world markets. Besides, it was time for the Deep State and MSM to pull out all the stops to dethrone The Bad Orange Man.

    I don’t know if a secret cabal cooked this thing up, but a not so very secret cabal very adeptly turned this into an opportunity to remake the world in ways that those with a number of agenda have been only dreaming of for years. This is a statist wet dream.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Thanks: Alfred
  9. I don’t mind this clocks & oranges business b/c it gives me a chance to have a rant.
    The whole covid19
    ” conversation” is giving me the utter shits.
    Clocks oranges, so simple that it really HAS become so black & white.
    An unknown disease — emphasis on unknown breaks out in some obscure bit of China.
    What to do?
    Nothing?…. (then lose your bottle & shove on the brakes?)
    Do… something? But what something? Remember January? Blind leading the blind?
    Anyway, the Chinese ACTED. Rightly or wrongly, they set a certain standard.
    And the world followed… or didn’t.
    Can we all agree that this is a tricky situation? Even by February did we really know how vicious this virus was/is? (do we know now? Christ, every day there’s another report saying that the virus is worse or better than we thought. Oh & the eternal question, how useful is a mask? Oh, fuck off! ).
    So to practical matters: some places– too much “lockdown”, (“you can’t ride your bike johnny– the fresh air might kill you”) others, too little, too late etc.
    (“Shall we slip grandma out of the boat while the rest sleep?”.
    “But it’s just the flu!”
    (Repeat 1000 times until your Temp’ reaches 40C & you vomit blood — watch out for those droplets! )
    Now the question is becoming “if we hold an opening party would anyone come?” Will people return to cafes? To airlines? Football games?
    Beats me… depends whether you’re a clock or an orange?

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  10. Natural XOR man-made is one of those classic CIA false dichotomies to get people furiously fighting “IS TOO!” “IS NOT!” instead of examining the problem.

    The statist’s party line, “Nature,” diverts from the arsenal of smoking guns at the Burnett Womack Center. And the “Technology” line somehow manages to blame everyone except the usual suspects who’ve been waging germ warfare for 70 years, on North Korea and China, on San Francisco, on prisoners, on Afghanistan, on Senators, on Russia, and on China again. Remember when CIA popped some BWC-illegal weaponized anthrax out of secure storage like you getting a brew out of the fridge? One of those clocks telling you COVID-19 is Mother Nature is Robert Garry. Garry was an anthrax profiteer back then.

    The split here is not ideological but organizational. Everybody in CIA’s force field polarizes in conformity with the official dichotomy. Oddballs like Francis Boyle get put on the no-fly list. CIA cooked this up. They’re busted. The only controversy is, How do we make them pay?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @botazefa
    , @AaronInMVD
  11. SteveK9 says:

    One of the most brilliant articles I have every read. I think a lot of people here may be missing the point. Yes, all of us are some combination of clock and orange. I’m a PhD Theoretical Chemist, but I definitely have orange-like characteristics (my age may have something to do with that). But, the authors point is absolutely valid. I don’t know who Robert Bonomo is, but I’m ready to nominate him for Psychologist of the year, with a second nomination for Humor.

    Here is the all-time, World Champion Orange, in his prime, George Carlin.

  12. Svevlad says:

    Like everything, a mix is always the best.

    Pure clocks are subhuman consumerist urbanite trash. Pure oranges are negative IQ parasitical backward subhuman trash.

    An ideal world – the clocks push forward, while the oranges tell them to slow down and remind them to think every move very thoroughly.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
  13. When I was a child of five or six years I somehow became aware of the historical reality of Kings. I was impressed by the extent of their authority. In my mothers house I was required to get my mothers permission to turn on the radio. This was back in the fifties. So my question for my mom was this. If we had a king would I have to get his permission to turn on the radio. No she said. The King would be too busy for that. But the King would decide which programs would be on the radio.

    The clocks want to be my King. That is why I stand with Orange Man.

    • Agree: Franz
  14. botazefa says:
    @The Chapel Hill Runs

    CIA cooked this up. They’re busted. The only controversy…

    To what end? What does the US stand to gain by the US releasing a virus in Wuhan? Obviously it could not be contained. One would have to be retarded to think a coronavirus wouldn’t escape to other geographies.

    What is the CIA’s motive?

    • Replies: @Oldtradesman
  15. Ron Unz says:

    To what end? What does the US stand to gain by the US releasing a virus in Wuhan? Obviously it could not be contained. One would have to be retarded to think a coronavirus wouldn’t escape to other geographies.

    Well, if you haven’t already done so, you might want to take a look at my long recent article on this subject:

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-our-coronavirus-catastrophe-as-biowarfare-blowback/

    Or if you’d just like to glance at a little of the most telling evidence, you can find it excerpted here:

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/facebook-bans-the-unz-review/

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  16. AaronInMVD says: • Website
    @The Chapel Hill Runs

    This is pretty much the core of all social engineering. Push a two sided split and let the noise emerging from that split silence everything else that could be discussed. Nevermind sane or correct paths forward are rarely advanced by either side, there must be EXACTLY two sides.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  17. botazifa 15, What is CIA’s motive?

    1. Illegal warfare that is hard to attribute
    2. Illegal war propaganda
    3. A pretext for enhanced repression (in this case, NKVD style contact-chaining that they pushed for 911 and for every reason they can pull out their ass.

    2 and 3 are the same as 9/11.

    “One would have to be retarded…” True, but Dr. Unz makes a good case that they were – they figured SARS and MERS didn’t spread too much so this wouldn’t either [oh wait, I see he has weighed in himself.] And what does CIA care if it’s contained? All CIA cares about is their impunity and their illegal profit centers (gun-running, drug dealing, child trafficking, asset stripping.) CIA sees no material impact on their vital interests.

    But in this case, CIA’s pretense that their life science research is defensive will not protect them. The facts establish the crime of aggression, not Fearless Leader’s interpretation of the BWC and Rome Statute. And the facts show offensive gain-of-function research, multiple introductions constituting medical experimentation, and a plan and conspiracy for war, Nuremberg Count 1.

    AaroninMVD, right, and then all the Mockingbird public intellectual emote about polarization like it’s some kind of exogenous phenomenon like everybody got magnetized somehow, when CIA set it up that way to circumscribe discourse.

  18. @schnellandine

    Wow. You have it in a nutshell. What an asshole article.

    I’m not a clock or a orange. I’m Mt. Everest, double-entry bookkeeping, and a kangaroo.

  19. Delta G says:

    Clock? Orange? The reality is that it’s called Biology. Yes, Biology the study of life, all aspects of it.

    None of the mathematician physicist the author mentions are Chemists or Biologists. So with respect to science there is a very big difference between the Physical Sciences and the Chemical and Biological Sciences with Chemical being a bridge between them since all living organisms on this planet are composed of chemicals.

    Historically, the physicist were looking for a new physical force of the universe to explain life.

    That’s why the first molecular biologists were physicists doing x-ray diffraction measurements of proteins and nucleic acids. I don’t remember how long the record goes but the discovery that DNA was the genetic material was made by Watson and Crick by deductive reasoning, only a small part of which was based on the x-ray diffraction studies that were to complex to understand except that there was some repeating unit in the chemical. Most people felt with absolute certainty that nucleic acids were much to simple a chemical to be the genetic material. The genetic material must somehow be a protein because they are so different from each other and there are 20 amino acids and only 4 different bases in DNA or RNA. It was an amazing stroke of genius for Watson and Crick to deduce the structure of DNA probably the most important discovery in human history, far greater than anything Newton or Einstein did since it links all forms of life on this planet and provides for a fundamental understanding of inheritance, evolution and disease.

    So the author misses the most important point, Biology is the most important Science and very few minds are capable of doing it, as it requires some physics, chemistry and real intuitive deductive reasoning beyond those hard sciences. You have to be a Clock/Orange to get to first base if you want to be a true Biologist.

    The problem with society today is that most people are ignorant of almost everything: history, geography, social studies, language and of course mathematics and science. Humanity as a whole cannot conceive the abstract or the unknown. People think of Scientists as Wizards or Witches or Warlocks or some Harry Potter character. Technology is too advanced for Humanity and Humanity is being taken advantage of by Charlatans of Technology and other lower forms of life such as a Fauci, or Gates or some other hoax for a great person. I don’t expect this will end well for Humanity as a whole.

    • Replies: @Emslander
    , @FactChecker
  20. nickels says:

    Clock and Orange?
    Maybe Luciferian vs Worshipper of God is more like it.
    I think the case that Gates and his WEF buddies released this to grab power to implement their various ‘platforms’ (https://www.weforum.org/platforms) is almost incontrovertible.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  21. @animalogic

    Both the clocks and oranges are wrong.

    Imho the virus is real, but there are no good solutions. There aren’t even any ok solutions.

    There are just bad solutions.

    At such moments humans become like the apes and the monolith in the opening scene of Kubrick’s 2001.

    Faced with the unknown, humans start yelling and screaming and pointing fingers at each other.

    So, my advice to everyone is very simple.

    Calm the f&^% down.

  22. SteveK9 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Dr. Luc Montagnier, Nobel Prize for Medicine 2008, for the discovery of the HIV.

    He’s an old guy now, but thinks the Wuhan Lab was trying to develop an HIV vaccine using Coronavirus, and suffered an accidental release. An encouraging comment at the end, is that he thinks the ‘additions’ will mutate away. The interview is in French, but there is an English summary.

    Another interesting point made by Dr. Wodarg of Germany is why the ‘plague’ suddenly stopped in China, and never caused infections outside of Hubei. He claims they simply stopped testing in March. Pretty clever if true, basically tell your people … ‘never mind’ go back to work. I wish we could do that.

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/07/watch-corona-crisis-what-really-happened-and-how-to-learn-from-it/

    • Replies: @Pft
  23. CmonUNZ! says:

    “Today’s Maskholes are tomorrow’s Technogulag staffers.”

    – Ben Franklin

  24. Please!
    Let me put the Corona virus in perspective.
    US population is about 360 million.
    Average life span is 60 years.
    360 divided 60 equals 6 million.
    There are 6 million natural deaths in US per year.
    That makes 500 000 natural deaths per months.
    Corona virus took 80 000 in four months.
    That makes 20 000 per month.
    …………………………………………………
    Nobody likes to die by Corona virus.
    But it looks to me that probability of dying by Corona virus is relatively low.
    It does not mean that every person should not use every precaution not to catch it.
    But this general shut down of all country is not really necessary. (In my opinion.)

  25. It’s a fine analysis. My only question is if we get to torture and beat the clocks bloody at the end of this horror.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  26. To a certain extent you’re right. The most pro-lockdown are the mainstream centre-left (who also tend to be strongly connected to the medical industrial establishment) while the most anti-lockdown are the pro-business right-wing liberals.

    However, people on the right also tend to be more conscientious and hygiene conscious than people on the left. Hence, there are plenty of female conservatives and older male conservatives who are pro-lockdown (and probably see this as a positive slippery slope towards greater border control). Similarly, the anarchist/bohemian far left isn’t particularly comfortable with so much power being ceded to white technocrats who have little time for anti-scientific hippie types.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  27. Alfred says:

    Pythagoras, Plato, Galileo, Newton and Einstein were surely all clocks

    The idea that would have fallen for this crock of shit is pure fabrication.

    You can be absolutely certain that none of them were vegans. They all had a built-in appreciation for the role of things like climate, agriculture, knowledge and intelligence. They flogged their horses to make them speed up. They believed in capital punishment. They lived at times when half of all children did not reach adulthood.

    Newton was Master of the Mint and he had a large number of criminals executed.

    Sir Isaac Newton spent the final years of his life hunting money counterfeiters and convicting them to death

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  28. Pft says:

    I’m an orange. I have plenty of Vitamin C which kills viruses but the clocks don’t believe in any treatment thats not patented and cant earn a huge profit.

    The clocks (the top ones like Gates) planned the plandemic. China is on the clocks side and helped execute the plan following Crimson Contagion Exercises and Event 201 that Chinas CDC Director attended.

    The vaccine the clocks are cooking up are being made by 2 companies who have received hundreds of millions in funding despite never having brought a product to market. The funds were provided by Darpa and Gates and the Fauci NIH crowd. DNA and mRNA vaccines that will change human DNA have never been approved before, and skipping all important animal studies while being rushed to market. No liability either, and those in trials are all healthy 18-55 yo. What could go wrong?

    Let the clocks take the vaccine first. Trump (he is a closet Clock, fake wrestling is his game) , Gates and Fauci first. Make sure they don’t fake it like Ford did when he got saline. Let an Orange like RFK Jr give the shot. Or Judy Mikovits if he is not available. Judy might like that.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Owen C.
  29. Alfred says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Someone with a BMI over 30 …

    I am sure you meant Someone with a BMI under 30

    I suspect that 25 is even better. 🙂

    However, I agree with everything else you said.

  30. Anonymous[959] • Disclaimer says:

    Really dumb first chapter so I skipped the rest. How does the author’s pea-brain measure against orange-brains and clock-brains? Is life really like a box of chocolates? Do we care to find out?

  31. Pft says:
    @SteveK9

    My understanding is they only tested you if you had pneumonia and had been in wuhan or in contact with someone who had covid . After wuhan was locked down those who got tested dwindled. Of course, maybe they tested more but didn’t report.

    In any case, wuhan is a major transportation hub for all China and it was circulating for over 2 months before wuhan was locked down at the lunar new year after a couple million workers left to visit family outside wuhan for the holidays,

    Numbers not believable except to clocks who believe anything. Maybe koo-koo clocks?

  32. cranc says:

    The clocks are led by scientism rather than science. If the oranges are led by an ‘orange king’ then why is he enforcing the response of scientism – i.e. a lockdown ? It’s all a bit muddled.
    The computer code that allegedly ‘modelled’ the virus outbreak in the UK and the US (written by the widely discredited physicist, Neil Fergusson – whom Ron Unz described as one of the ‘world’s leading epidemiolodists’) has been finally released for scrutiny. Most professional code writers agree that it is so badly written that- even with its long overdue release, it is impossible to evaluate.
    It strikes me that it is the lockdown sceptics (the ‘oranges’ ?) who are consistent to the basic principles of scientific scrutiny and replication.
    https://thecritic.co.uk/a-series-of-tubes/

    • Replies: @Alfred
  33. swamped says:

    “The virus has actually thrown more gas on the fires of discord- something that would have seemed impossible back in the ‘quaint’ days of January 2020 when impeaching the President was all the rage”…quite as it was intended to do by the clock-winders in the bell towers of fake news studios hither & yon. Their ratings & profits are driven by raging stories & nothing fuels views & clicks like stoking fears. The impeachment rage was waning & the news jocks needed another big firey blast to feed the news cycle 24/7 , something that would appeal to the imaginations of both the ‘clocks’ & the ‘oranges’ & voila – the Wuhan bat hoax was born. If the yellow journalists hadn’t goosed up the Yellow Plague scare, it’s unlikely many among the public would have even noticed it at all. The mortality figures really aren’t that much greater than a bad fl year & are usually inflated by pre-existing conditions that are the real underlying cause. The majority contracted appear to be asymptomatic, so most would probably never even have known that they had had it. As usual, government intervention in most countries made the problem much worse, while claiming credit for ‘mitigating’ it. But just as with the impeachment hoax, which never really had much merit to it either, the plague hoax is starting to wane. People are getting tired not only of the intolerable lockdowns but are also tiring of the same saturation news coverage day after day. The fear is gradually starting to wear off & interest with it. The fake news will have to invent a new hoax soon, like they always do, to keep those “fires of discord” raging.

  34. @nickels

    Haven’t decided on accidental or purposefully release but most evidence does seem to be pointing towards purposeful.

    The clock and orange construct is a little gimmicky though I suppose it works on the level of a short essay. I see the clocks, not as rationalists, but as elites who are well on their way to establishing a completely controlled society, run by technocrats backed by billionaires. Of course, the billionaires call the shots and somehow what passes for science gets warped to support their agenda.

    James Corbett is working the Gates as the new Rockefeller angle very hard and is doing great work so far on nailing the scheme down. Certainly much planning has gone into this pandemic response years before it happened.

    How Bill Gates Monopolized Global Health
    https://www.corbettreport.com/gateshealth/

    Bill Gates’ Plan to Vaccinate the World
    https://www.corbettreport.com/gatesvaccine/

    Podcast toward top, video down the page, with transcript.

    Part 3 coming soon.

    Resist the system in whatever ways you can. At a minimum, do not submit to an unsafe vaccine. It would take years to prove a new technology (like mRNA vaccines) is safe.

    • Agree: nickels
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  35. It’s a planned-demic , see : “Mandatory intellectomy: How to create a fake pandemic”jamesfetzer.org
    “Manufactured pandemic: testing people for any strain of a coronavirus, not specifically for COVID-19″globalresearch.ca -“They cannot confirm something for which there is no accurate test”per Julian Rose
    “Why the WHO faked a pandemic”forbes.com

  36. An intriguing piece.

    The first wave of antibody test results implied that the infection fatality rate (IFR) was lower than first reported and more carriers were asymptomatic as well. This was NOT good news for the clocks; it was pure heresy.

    Honestly, we knew that even before the main wave of Corona-hysteria began, just by examining the case of the Diamond Princess cruiseliner:

    “There have been two notable outbreaks of infectious disease on the ship – an outbreak of gastroenteritis caused by norovirus in 2016 and an outbreak of the COVID-19 coronavirus in 2020. In the latter incident, the ship was quarantined for nearly a month with her passengers on board, and her passengers and crew were subject to further quarantine after disembarking. At least 712 out of the 3,711 passengers and crew were infected, and fourteen have died.”

    If you do the math, 14 people out of 3711 total is an overall fatality rate of 0.4% — hardly the Black Death of the Middle Ages. And when you fruther consider that cruise passengers skew older and are all breathing air from the same ventilator (when not on deck), you begin to realize that that was an upper-bound figure for society as a whole.

    And we knew all of that three months ago–before the lockdown ever began!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_(ship)

    Most of the great minds have been clocks. Pythagoras, Plato, Galileo, Newton and Einstein were surely all clocks.

    True, but that doesn’t make every single ‘clock’ a great mind. Being an admirer of, say, Isaac Newton doesn’t make you Isaac Newton, any more than being a fan of Jimi Hendrix means you can play like Jimi Hendrix. Yet liberals think that ‘science’ is some sort of brand that they can just slap on themselves like Polo, without ever having to do their own thinking. This concept they have of genius-as-masscluvisity just mystifies me.

    This is not about a pandemic. What we are deciding now is the kind of world we want to live in.

    Oh, yeah! You got that straight. I, personally, am not at all eager to find out what’s in Bill Gates’ mystery medicine.

  37. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Zarathustra

    US population is about 360 million.
    Average life span is 60 years.

    Is this the new normal?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  38. You have some good points, Mr. Bonomo, but the clock vs. orange contrast just got you off to a bad start. There’s no way to come back from that start – really, clocks and oranges? An apples to oranges comparison is bad enough. I understand you got this from a book, but there is even less chance of my reading said book now, compared to 10 minutes back, and I’m glad I got that movie from the library, for free, as it sucked.

    That said, I also think that your lumping or labelling the Pro-Panic side as the intellectuals and/or scientists and the anti-Panic side as naturalists is not very accurate either. What I’ve found is that, due to computer power having increased to the point that memory and calculation time is almost a non-issue, otherwise intelligent science/math types think that the right equations crunched hard enough will give them good answers.

    Without having attempted to model real things in the real world, as engineers to, they don’t understand that all the input data (initial conditions, boundary conditions, etc.) must be known very accurately, and EVERY SINGLE PHYSICAL PROCESS involved must be included, to have even a chance of getting good numbers out. This is where the Global Climate Disruption(TM) modelers go wrong, BTW.

    Science has been applied by those on both sides of this issue, just as politics has been used by both sides. I lean heavily toward the side that says this is not the Black Plague, and therefore not nearly enough an emergency to allow Governors to have the powers they have exercised. I have been civilly disobedient on this, and it FEELS GOOD, MAN!

    • Agree: Fatmanscoop
  39. @Zarathustra

    Concerning the openings.
    In order to dilute the visits, all companies businesses and institutions should be considering three service shifts ergo 24 hours openings.

  40. @alt right moderate

    That’s some good theorizing, ARM, on the reasons people with various political leanings are on certain sides of this divide. I’d like to add something on the generational points of view.

    People will decry the Boomers for being unduly worried about dying (haha!), as that spoiled and hypocritical generation that used to not trust anyone over 30. There’s some truth to that. It’s a big generation, used to having its way, and the infotainment has got many of them scared shitless.

    However, I’ve read a rant of the opposite opinion, that these Boomers just want to keep “muh economy” going, so that they can remain well off on paper from those 401k’s. The US Feral Gov’t HAS been propping up this economy with ridiculously-low interest rates, so I don’t think the Boomers have anything to worry about on that score. In the meantime, it’s the Millennials, missing out on the great jobs the Boomers had, who could really use to get back working and get their lives on some sort of track.

    The older generations ought to have some damn perspective, though. Unless they are senile already, they really ought to remember the other Oriental-origin viruses of this sort that have come and gone. Some were worse than this Kung Flu, and some not, but the amount of hysteria generated by Big-Media and Big-Gov on this one is unprecedented and un-called-for.

    You’d think the Millennials, with their shunning of most traditional media, would do their own thinking. I think the 24/7 infotainment on their smart phones, along with a lack of any perspective on this, is driving their hysteria, with one more factor involving the LOCKDOWNS. Many of these people don’t understand the problem with that, as they wouldn’t know “muh freedom” if it came up and bit them on their asses.

  41. @Zarathustra

    If things will be going this hysterical way, than soon people will be dying more by lack of nutrition, or malnutrition than by Corona virus.

  42. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Speaking of Mt. Everest and mountain climbing, the control freaks are all over climbing, too, especially the dorks on mountain rescue teams whose main activity is heroic posturing in expensive gear. It’s not that climbers in need shouldn’t be rescued, but that rescue has been taken over by the phonies, especially on the West Coast around Rainer. By the time they get their “rescue” latte kaffeeklatsch over with and their GoPro “Hero” cameras adjusted to their headgear, the person out there is probably already dead. Then there’s the video of some jackass with the Weather Channel leaning into the wind in some hurricane and dressed for high altitude climbing while in the background the camera catches the legs of two guys walking by in shorts and flip flops. The people who allow the Weather Channel to influence them probably have cases of TP and dozens of masks on hand, just in case those women with little children or people with elderly at home decide to hoard the stuff.

    One of the best winter climbs on the East Coast is Mt. Washington, where despite winds in January blowing in the 80’s and routinely gusting to over 100 mph, solo climbers reach the summit by getting prone above the tree line when the winds start to gust. You may have seen those videos of the “heroes” in the warm and comfy weather station on the summit playing hero in the high winds and performing experiments like they were on the moon, but what you don’t see are the climbers casually watching them from the side like they’re watching Bear Grylls faking heroics for yet another “hero” reality show. Even the climbing scene divides along the same lines as people wearing masks as a political shibboleth and symbol of their desire to enchain what’s left of manhood in America versus those who are actually alive.

  43. @FactChecker

    ‘I see the clocks, not as rationalists, but as elites who are well on their way to establishing a completely controlled society, run by technocrats backed by billionaires. ‘

    They think they’re on their way to establishing a totally controlled society. That’s actually the irony here. In fact, every year social disintegration and the collapse of the most fundamental mechanisms of society becomes more pervasive.

    The swine are almost literally rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

    • Agree: nickels
    • Replies: @FactChecker
  44. @Pft

    ‘…Let the clocks take the vaccine first. Trump (he is a closet Clock, fake wrestling is his game) , Gates and Fauci first. Make sure they don’t fake it like Ford did when he got saline. Let an Orange like RFK Jr give the shot. Or Judy Mikovits if he is not available. Judy might like that.’

    ? I don’t get flu shots. Why would I bother with this?

    I think I’ll focus on looking over my shoulder when I make lane changes, etc. You know: address real dangers.

    • Replies: @Pft
  45. Dr. Mackay tweeted a quote from a story about a pack of oranges, “They are the kind of person who isn’t happy with [what] they are told by experts and prefer to go and seek their own narrative.”

    Let’s break down the word expert shall we?
    ex – A has been
    pert(pronounced spert) – A drip under pressure
    This defines any so called expert(medical, media, government)pushing the narrative that the entire global economy must be scuttled and millions of lives ruined over a cold virus, whether weaponized or not.
    They call their take on matters science, but in reality it is nothing more than pseudoscience, or scientism, the religion of atheist.
    Genuine science seeks the truth only, with no agenda attached. If you believe that is what is happening with organizations such as the CDC, the WHO, the Gates Foundation, government officials, the main stream media, and all pushing the clock side of things, then I have some ocean front property in Arizona you might be interested in.

  46. So glad I ‘m stuck with just two choices based on the bug coming from a wet market. But fear not, veganism to the ultimate rescue.

  47. This is for all you clocker’s that think you know more than our creator(who or whatever that may be), and feel you can re-write the laws of the universe that have been in place since time immemorial. Sure, you may know why pi r squared , but like my dear old grandpa used too say, you ain’t got the common sense it takes to pour piss out of a boot.

    • Replies: @DaveE
  48. Alfred says:
    @cranc

    The computer code that allegedly ‘modeled’ the virus outbreak in the UK and the US (written by the widely discredited physicist, Neil Ferguson – whom Ron Unz described as one of the ‘world’s leading epidemiologists’) has been finally released for scrutiny.

    It is quite easy to evaluate. Not a long piece of code – 15,000 lines. Hardly worth the reputed $79 million ($5250 per line) – except to someone who hoped to profit from it.

    I have Reviewed Ferguson’s Code – It’s a Joke

    • Replies: @cranc
  49. nsa says:

    This silly screed is a disservice to the short dystopian novel, A Clockwork Orange, wherein Burgess explored the concept and moral implications of someone doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Alex, the vicious gangbanger, was reformed through electro shock therapy to get physically ill when contemplating gratuitous violence and rape. Thereafter, he was used by various social democratic politicians to their own ends. The novel has nothing to do with physical disease and the present conflict between humans and the wu-wu germs.

  50. covid is a rorschach test.

    your perception of what it is, is a reflection of how you view the world.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Colin Wright
  51. karel says:

    Bit silly, this binary world of clocks and oranges. What about the cabbages? They also exist. The apparent belief that Chinese eat bats as apparently supported by the photo only documents the deceptive nature of the article.

  52. Jake says:

    The problem with this article out to be obvious: Bonomo assumes that the clocks are basically correct and therefore will be followed by the oranges.

    The glaring fact is that revolutionary leaders ready to turn the world upside down, spilling no telling how much blood and destroying no telling how much positive, healthy culture, in the cause of Doing Good, are all clocks. Mohammad was a clock. Genghis Khan was a clock. Martin Luther and Jean Calvin were clocks. Thomas Cromwell and Oliver Cromwell were clocks. Every French Revolution theorist and promoter was a clock. Proudhon and Bakunin were clocks. Freud was a clock. Marx was a clock. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kun, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol Pot – clocks all. Hitler was a clock. Wilhelm Reich and WEB DuBois were clocks. All Frankfurt School figures of note were clocks.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  53. Bert says:
    @schnellandine

    You are absolutely right about Bonomo’s ridiculously arbitrary dichotomy. How one decides to react to SARS-2 will depend upon how much freedom of action one has (none in a nursing home and little in a multi-generational household), one’s age and one’s finances. A semi-retired 55-year old man might decide to give up his sugar babies. A 20-year old sugar baby might decide, in reaction to a dearth of clients, to meet not so appealing men in order to maintain her standard of living. A non-smoking couple might decide to spend for a camper and not hotels for that long-planned road trip, and wear nicotine patches while traveling. A high-school dropout making good money as a barber might be picketing for an immediate removal of restrictions on her profession. A 70ish couple might decide to stay at home, have necessities delivered, and wait for medical science to find an effective treatment.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
    • Replies: @Olorin
  54. Emslander says:
    @Delta G

    None of the mathematician physicist the author mentions are Chemists or Biologists. So with respect to science there is a very big difference between the Physical Sciences and the Chemical and Biological Sciences with Chemical being a bridge between them since all living organisms on this planet are composed of chemicals.

    So, I guess you’re a biologist.

    I’m skeptical of all those who pretend to know more than the rest of us. Just like a conservative is a liberal who’s been mugged, I’m an overly educated multi-degreed Boomer who’s seen too much.

  55. Agent76 says:

    May 10, 2020 A Swiss Doctor on Covid-19 By Swiss Propaganda Research

    Less than 1% of the deceased were healthy persons, i.e. persons without pre-existing chronic diseases. Only about 30% of the deceased are women.

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    Apr 6, 2020 ΝYC ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients

    5g and milimeter waves being used within hospitals amidst this massive hoax.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Troll: The Grim Joker
    • Replies: @Alfred
  56. Alfred says:

    The Coronavirus Test – Are You a Goat or a Sheep?

    It seems the goat was positive for Covid-19 and the sheep was negative. Happily, the WHO has now been kicked out of Tanzania – a country with 60 million people in Africa.

    As the number of confirmed coronavirus cases explodes across Africa, the creeping involvement of the WHO has made some leaders suspicious of the NGO. Tanzanian President John Magufuli was growing suspicious of the organization, so he reportedly decided to investigate whether the organization was as trustworthy and reliable as it claimed to be.

    He played what the local press described as “a trick” on the organization: He sent the WHO samples of a goat, a papaya and a quail for testing

    “We Sent Them Samples Of A Goat, A Papaya & A Pheasant”: Tanzanian President Catches WHO In Epic Lie

    Well, it seems there is at least one African who is a lot smarter than all the heads of state of the West. Not much coverage in the NYT. 🙂

  57. @Peter Frost

    Well?
    It is my guess. Nobody has the precise number. But I still think that the number is pretty conservative.
    In my opinion more people die before reaching 60 than die after sixty.
    I do believe that calculation is correct within plus minus of 5%.

    • Replies: @Peter Frost
  58. An orange mindful of the usefulness of a clock …

  59. Alfred says:
    @Agent76

    I watched the video of this “ICU doctor” a while back. He claimed this is a “new disease”.

    If this is so, why are the Russians doing 20 times better than the British and the Americans? Are patients being deliberately murdered in NYC?

    Why not send the Russians an email and ask them for some advice? Even better, ask them to send an expert with an interpreter. This is totally inexcusable. 🙁

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @Agent76
  60. DaveE says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    …..but like my dear old grandpa used too say, you ain’t got the common sense it takes to pour piss out of a boot.

    Best comment on this thread so far, thanks! And thanks also to Unz for a very insightful and original piece.

    The “clocks” have no understanding of balance, in nature or anywhere else. Even if this “virus” is real – anything more than a 100% fabricated “War of the Worlds” attack on our liberties, our culture and common sense, there are fundamental limits to how far a flu virus can be “mutated” in a laboratory.

    The clocks are so arrogant (and stupid) they think they can outsmart 15 million years of adaptation by intelligent creatures to the less-intelligent stresses that God also created.

    As much as creatures like David Ben Gurion love(d) to play God – lusting to create an invisible pathogen to wipe out all the Goyim – God is still in charge.

    The Creator saw to it that these shlomos couldn’t and wouldn’t prevail.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  61. profnasty says:

    House Resolution 6666.
    Holy Bible, ‘You shall not suffer a witch to live.’

  62. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Jake

    “Mohammad was a clock. Genghis Khan was a clock. Martin Luther and Jean Calvin were clocks. Thomas Cromwell and Oliver Cromwell were clocks. Every French Revolution theorist and promoter was a clock. Proudhon and Bakunin were clocks. Freud was a clock. Marx was a clock. Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Kun, Mao, Castro, Che, Pol Pot – clocks all. Hitler was a clock. Wilhelm Reich and WEB DuBois were clocks. All Frankfurt School figures of note were clocks.”

    Likewise [ to name but a few more] : Unz [and probably 99% of his contributors and readers/commentors], Gates, Fauci, Cook, Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Trump, Bush 1+2, the Clintons, Obama, Pelosi [and probably almost the entirety of all government personnel, everywhere], Kissinger, Brzezinski, Soros, Trudeau, Merkel, Macron, and all non-Austrian economists [ eg Keynes, Friedman etc.], and also, [come to think of it], DeNiro, Madonna and almost the entirety of Hollywood and the music industry. The list of those suffering from this particular mental affliction/disease is pretty much endless- which explains the state the world is in.

    All envision social change via the violent force of governments. I call this “Dictator Syndrome”.

    See: You,Trump,Sanders Etc., Vs “Dictator Syndrome” :
    http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2015/08/do-you-suffer-from-dictator-syndrome.html

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  63. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Clock or an orange? Neither, I’m a Ron-bot!

  64. @Kratoklastes

    Haha. Bodybuilding. Like Arnold. What, someone kick sand in your face when you were a spindly weakling kid? Hahaha.

  65. @DaveE

    “Our” liberties? Our “liberties”?

    Who talks like that?

    You ain’t got no liberties, poor deluded fool. Neither (pronounced neether) do I. If you think you do, you on the wrong planet.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  66. DaveE says:
    @ThreeCranes

    I agree although Galileo did invent the telescope – so I’d say he had some real (practical) reasoning ability – unlike most of the so-called “geniuses” of the world who get published merely for saying something different, regardless of merit or (usually) lack thereof.

  67. Well I was hoping for an article on the Coronavirus test, how it works, how reliable it is, and do you really have Covid-19 if you fail it, or maybe not – sort of are you sick or are you a sucker.

  68. I don’t think that dividing people on “Clocks” and “Oranges” is as nearly important
    or useful as dividing them on “Decent” and “Crooked” ones, or on “Normal” ones and
    “Psychopaths”.
    And using Science as an object of worship sucks. It’s just a tool (at least when it comes
    to its practical applications).
    It also doesn’t matter if the Clocks using science to create something nasty are well
    aware of what they are doing, or just doing their job being on payroll of some
    Psychopaths (not necessarily Clocks, but definitely not Oranges).
    The outcome is the same – something that neither Clocks nor Oranges in their decent
    mass do not need at all.
    So who’s to blame ?! The answer is obvious without any “scientific research”.
    Just like the answer to “Is 5G harmful to humans ?”, when birds and insects die in
    scores in the proximities of 5g masts.

  69. @obwandiyag

    Agreed–the “muh liberties” crowd obviously have not read the many Federal Emergency Declarations not to mention their state and local Health Emergency Powers documents.

    It is old common sense that when in Rome do as the Romans do. If anyone disagrees with the local lockdowns–tough. Folks need to grow up and deal with it. This too will pass.

  70. cranc says:
    @Alfred

    This is actually quite a funny read, explaining the sheer absurdity of this Imperial model. There will be a lot more about this.
    https://medium.com/@allenfarrington/simple-truths-and-complex-nonsense-2e1c28ae6f29

    • Thanks: Alfred
    • Replies: @Alfred
  71. BDBinc says: • Website

    Are you are believer or denier?
    Do you believe the media/govt owned by the mind controllers that want you to live in fear and to be obedient believers. Debt slaves and slaves to the conditioned mind.

  72. Icy Blast says:

    The pro-lockdown people don’t have science on their side. They are driven by an overwhelming urge to impose their will on others. This is their “science.” The analysis in this article is amusing but fundamentally wrong.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat, Alfred
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Pft
  73. The clocks/oranges thing didn’t work for me. Couldn’t get past the fourth paragraph, which is too bad. There seemed to some nuggets of useful information in there. Sometimes in life, we try too hard.

  74. Owen C. says:
    @Pft

    Anastacia Palaszczuk (premier of Queensland, Australia, pronounced “Palashay” for some reason) also faked getting her flu shot on live TV recently, then claimed that “her real shot wasn’t captured properly by the cameras” when oranges (as per the terminology of this article) began questioning her.

  75. Anonymous[289] • Disclaimer says:
    @fllaart bllooger

    The lockdowns and mask nonsense are all that, but CV19 is also a dry run for a finale with two or more fabricated catastrophes cascaded on top of one another, completely overwhelming elected governments like a tsunami with unstoppable momentum provided by the unarguably 100% kosher MSM. Despite some banana oil about left-right politics and elections, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News have been as synchronized distorting reality and producing CV19 hysteria as a trio of atomic clocks.

    Douglas Reed noted this seventy years ago, quoting Chesterton’s quip that journalism is a false picture of the world, thrown upon a lighted screen in a darkened room so that the real world is not seen.

    Because the MSM was and continues to be responsible for the synchronized cover up of 9-11–and as much as Gates, Fauci, and WHO play their CV19 part—, a deeper understanding recognizes this plannedemic as part of the sequence of “global wars” on enemies no more believable than Martian invasions and implicating the same people with the same motive behind CV19 as 9-11.

  76. TRM says:

    So I’m trying to get my head wrapped around these various claims. One approach that might help is to see if there is any “excess deaths”.

    For 2014 to 2017 there are about 120,000 deaths listed for New York state on the CDC’s site. We are 4 months into 2020 and I would expect about 1/3rd (40,000). The site only shows 2014-17 but it is enough to get a rough average and that is all we have to work with. Do you know of any site with 2020 statistics year to date? I would like to compare them.

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/newyork/newyork.htm

    Causes of Death, 2017 Deaths
    ———————— ——–

    Heart Disease 44,092
    Cancer 34,956
    Accidents 7,687
    Chronic Lower Respiratory Diseases 7,258
    Stroke 6,264
    Flu/Pneumonia 4,517
    Diabetes 4,176
    Alzheimer’s disease 3,521
    Hypertension 2,699
    Septicemia 2,296
    Drug Overdose Deaths 3,921 (listed separately under “mortality”)

    Thanks

    • Replies: @TRM
    , @Justvisiting
  77. winning says:

    This s a terribl article

  78. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    Much as I hate the clocks’ bipolar WWIII/”Let them eat Netflix” daily performance, I have no problem admitting they may be proved substantially correct over time re: risks and death toll models and even Mad Max-style social meltdown. After all, it’s said that, in the future, anything can happen.

    What doesn’t follow from that concession is that they therefore DESERVE to make all decisions and run everyone’s life, purely on their demonstrated self-righteousness quotient. To my mind those aren’t tandem roles of the publicity-crazed Cassandra job — pitching dire hyperbole to saturate the air with your message is one thing, it’s really a step up in petty b.s. to try to incite a putsch against your class rivals under the same banner

  79. God created oranges. Man created clocks. Therefore, orange.

    Gee I wonder what “Godfree” (that is, God-free) is? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah!

  80. Dr. Mackay tweeted a quote from a story about a pack of oranges, “They are the kind of person who isn’t happy with [what] they are told by experts and prefer to go and seek their own narrative.” He then asked, ‘Why do coronavirus sceptics and deniers continue to downplay the disease?’ He’s shocked that these people actually want to think.

    So what is it kid? Are you a clock or an orange?

    Clock. Like most of the world: Iran, Russia, China, Europe, Singapore, pretty much everywhere outside the echo-chamber of Trump-cucks. Oranges are almost exclusively American, members of a cult whose beliefs have no underlying logic except believing what the leader says. To justify these beliefs, they fall back on the notion that everything is up for debate. Some people think 2+2=4, and some think 2+2=5. The Orange thinks of himself as an “independent thinker” for his willingness to stand up to the “experts” and sees those who insist that 2+2=4 as “closed-minded.” He is too dumb to understand mathematics, so he cannot understand why the clocks insist that there is one logical answer.

    Similarly, since he is a member of a cult, he can not comprehend those whose views do not fall in with some party line. If you tell the orange that you favor corona lockdowns and enforcement of America’s immigration law, he’ll accuse you of being a “shill.”

  81. TRM says:
    @TRM

    Okay found it thanks to some help from user dwestall over at wattsupwiththat

    https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

    Click New York state and then go through weeks 1 to 16 and then get the “Total Deaths” from the bottom right. First 4 months is 39,005

    The yearly data on deaths for New York state are here and 2014-17 average about 120,000 a year

    https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/newyork/newyork.htm

    So we expect approximately 40,000 deaths in 1/3rd of the year and we have 39,005. Now this doesn’t take seasonal variations into account or other factors but it will be interesting at the end of the year to see.

    Anyone got similar stats for Sweden and/or Belarus?

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Alfred
  82. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Zarathustra

    In my opinion more people die before reaching 60 than die after sixty.

    What country do you live in? In Canada, life expectancy is 82 years.

    A lot of commenters here seem to think that people reach death’s door when they turn 60.

  83. DaveE says:
    @Icy Blast

    Some genuinely smart guy (not a clock) said, “Give me a ruler, a compass, a protractor and 100 years to take enough data points and I’ll PROVE, statistically, that the Earth is, in fact, flat.”

    “Scientists” are the easiest fools to fool.

  84. Pft says:
    @Colin Wright

    You wont have a choice unless you go into permanent lockdown. They will at least be required by most employers, access to large events (sports, concerts, cinemas), air travel/international travel, non-emergency hospital admission, perhaps interstate travel and some hotels/restaurants/bars who wish to market their establishments as safe and open only to immunized patrons.

    But definitely drive safe in either case

  85. @Colin Wright

    They think they’re on their way to establishing a totally controlled society. That’s actually the irony here. In fact, every year social disintegration and the collapse of the most fundamental mechanisms of society becomes more pervasive.

    Colin, appreciate the response. It helped me refine my argument. First, I think trying to nail down the exact degree of control they have is beside the point in a lot of ways, and I was guilty of suggesting something along those lines. In light of that…

    Second, I rescind the following from my post:

    elites who are well on their way to establishing a completely controlled society

    That’s their goal. I agree they think they have more control than they do, but still the current level of control is formidable (just consider the effectiveness of the dominant corona virus narratives on government policy and large segments of the population despite tons of evidence to the contrary as just one example).

    Third, ultimately, uncovering all their schemes without providing workable solutions just serves to demoralize the population. This is, in fact, part of their plan too (tricky little bastards). We should avoid suggesting that elite sociopaths are all-powerful. They are human and over confident and in many ways not as smart as they think. They have a history of getting chased out of places.

    I would post something on “The Revelation of the Method” to elaborate more on this demoralization tactic but it just triggers too much denial so it’s not worth it, lol.

    Fourth, social disintegration and collapse of Western Civilization is part of their plan too, so kudos to them on their progress, I guess. For one example, the attack on one of the foundational building blocks of modern society—the nuclear family—has been a spectacular success, not a failure. Check out the following video, only 9 minutes but very worth it.

    It’s starts like this:

    One of the frustrating things when trying to figure out exactly when Western Civilization began to disintegrate in high gear is that you can’t just look a graph and see it happen. [Graph of divorce rates flashes on screen.] What, wait, it looks like you can!

    Selling Divorce to the West

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLu8J0Bfboj-9jPiDaTLk8Hr5vMnW22Fxo

    See Devon Stack’s of Blackpilled YouTube channel for a fuller exploration of related topics.

    One solution is to learn how to love, be fully human, live up to your responsibilities and have a lot of babies of European descent! Get to it people!

    Also, don’t take vaccines that haven’t been proven to be safe (verify for yourself, your doctor is a pod person). Let liberals and those who “follow the science” be their guinea pigs.

    Btw, I’ve read so much scientific research I piss black ink.

    • Thanks: Olorin
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  86. @fllaart bllooger

    ‘covid is a rorschach test.

    ‘your perception of what it is, is a reflection of how you view the world.’

    I’d say it’s a reflection of to what extent the media shapes your perceptions of reality.

    I’m reminded of people who kept thinking Trump was doomed over the last four years. As a rule, they tended to be people who gave credence to the media.

  87. Link problems: The link in the post is to the playlist dissecting Hollywood’s purposeful assault on Western Civilization in general.

    This is the link to “Selling Divorce to the West”

    Cheers!

  88. Pft says:
    @Icy Blast

    Its accurate in the sense the scientists behind the lockdown are promoting it. Consensus science is not real science as the consensus is held together by financial interests in government public-private partnerships in the terms of funding, patents and license rights. The few scientists who speak out are ignored, censored and defunded. Those who persist are attacked and Wakfielded,

    Like I said, its not real science but the priests of this religion are believed by the faithful. Meanwhile the religion of the right is politics so those on the right blame the left despite the fact their party controls the Presidency and Senate and the President has Emergency Powers and can easily override Governors who are so dependent on Federal Funds.

    All these government scientists and academic scientists are dependent on Federal funds from the public health and military agencies whose heads are appointed by Trump could be herded in the right direction with a stick. But Trump is a master of Fake Wrestling, pretending to be on one side while working on the other side for lock downs and corrupt science, and his faithful blindly follow him as the lefts faithful follow the Fake Science, not knowing that Gates with his tax free foundation money and Techno-Medical Industrial Complex with their Pharma/Tech Profits control both religions – playing one off the other. Which one is the face and which is the heel is a matter of opinion. Clock or Orange. Its all kayfabe baby. The endgame is scripted. Prepare to be chipped and controlled.

  89. @Peter Frost

    Imagine that there are only two people in the world.
    One dies at two years old and the other dies at 82 years old.
    82 plus 2 equals 84, divided by two is 42.
    Than the AVERAGE life expectancy is 42.
    60 is Average life expectancy of the GROUP. Not a life expectancy of the individual.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Peter Frost
  90. So many fucking retards.

    A fucking 6 week medical quarantine = virus is fucking over.

    There is no fucking need to be any retarded orange or clock.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  91. @Zarathustra

    Maybe for better understanding I should have used the word average lifespan, instead the word life expectancy.

  92. @Delta G

    Biology is the most important Science and very few minds are capable of doing it, as it requires some physics, chemistry and real intuitive deductive reasoning beyond those hard sciences.

    [I’m going to bury the lede, so read on if interested in how medicine is another example of American Pravda.]

    I don’t disagree with the thrust of your post. However, the real issue isn’t how sharp the minds of the respective scientists are but how many orders of magnitude more complex biological systems are than other areas of study. We feel pretty good about ourselves because we’ve deciphered a couple of entries in the encyclopedia of life.

    Some examples that are illustrative of our relative ignorance: the brain, the immune system and cancer. We’ve made some progress in understanding the great complexity inherent in these areas but have a long, long way to go.

    Tying this back to covid-19. Vaccines can sometimes make one more susceptible to infection, not less.

    https://www.corbettreport.com/gatesvaccine/

    The whole thing is a must watch but the dangers and unintended (?) consequences of poorly tested vaccines (most of them) is mentioned starting at 8:59. Video is below intro text.

    A huge part of the reason why progress is so slow in biology and especially medicine is because these areas have been “captured” by people with vested interests, to promote profit-making solutions versus curative solutions. And no, a cure would not be more profitable than treating someone with expensive drugs for as long as they are alive.

    Check out “When Healing Becomes a Crime,” a great book even if a little dated as regards alternative therapies. Watch yourself—a knee-jerk reaction here has been programmed into us. There is much more going on than meets the blindered eye.

    The case against standard therapies is damning, and the history of the suppression of other possibilities is excellent and eye opening — actually, another example of American Pravda and elites doing their dirty work. As millions died, the AMA/New York Times/Rockefellers lied.

    BTW, I am emphatically not saying skip chemo and take an herbal remedy. It’s like saying, in answer to who killed JFK?, “It wasn’t Oswald, it was the exiled Cubans.” Too simplistic and misleading, even if there is a element of truth in it. It helps to understand there is a coverup first before one goes on to develop a more complete understanding of the reality of the situation.

    https://www.amazon.com/When-Healing-Becomes-Crime-Alternative

    Best to you!

  93. @FactChecker

    Lol, still having link issues! Look for selling divorce to the west if interested.

  94. Given the differences between 2019-nCOV:

    The spike glycoprotein of the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV contains a furin-like cleavage site absent in CoV of the same clade

    In particular, the Furin-like cleavage site on its S-protein, how likely is it that the current anti-body tests can distinguish between 2019-nCOV and other corona viruses?

    Does anyone know?

  95. @FactChecker

    ‘… That’s their goal. I agree they think they have more control than they do, but still the current level of control is formidable (just consider the effectiveness of the dominant corona virus narratives on government policy and large segments of the population despite tons of evidence to the contrary as just one example)…’

    As so often, there’s a curious analogy with the late Roman Empire.

    Now, the Roman Empire in its heyday — say, the Second Century AD — had remarkably few personnel devoted to making everyone behave. People wanted to be Roman — they’d try their best to behave without any coercion.

    Come the fifth century or thereabouts, the Roman bureaucracy and internal regulation had exploded exponentially. The Empire was trying to tell people what jobs to have, what form of Christianity to believe, etc.

    …and, at the same time, everything was falling apart. ‘Romans’ were wearing Germanic trousers, and these oafs with butter in their hair were wandering around simply taking things.

    Ring a bell? We may be getting a notionally totalitarian state. What’s actually going on is total social collapse.

    • Replies: @FactChecker
  96. @Peter Frost

    There was a study of deaths in England and Wales that concluded that those over about 60 who had died lost on average ten years of life expectancy. But the meme is rampant that all of the Covid deaths were dying of something else and just happened to get Covid and due to some great conspiracy all of the doctors, hospitals, pathologists, funeral homes and blaming all of these deaths on Covid so that they can some how benefit from it financially.

    Most don’t seem to understand that Covid is costing the medical community lots of money, and they have little financial interest in turning non-Covid deaths into Covid deaths.

    • Replies: @TRM
    , @RationalRabbit
    , @Alfred
  97. @Alfred

    Why don’t New Yorkers ask the people of Wyoming how they are faring so well? It is the nature of disease that it is not egalitarian.

  98. @Justvisiting

    And lockdowns of the healthy are not novel. The US Supreme Court said they were Constitutional in 1902 and actually relied on some earlier cases holding the same thing.

    https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/186/380/

    This was the case cited by a recent Michigan judge holding that the Michigan governor had a right to impose lockdowns.

    Obviously lockdowns of the healthy did not turn out to be a slippery slope 118 years ago. People who are worried about their freedoms seem to be so clueless sometimes about the fact that they never had the freedom to step on someone else’s toes the way they thought they had.

  99. TRM says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    In the UK or Canada and other countries maybe true but not in the USA. In the USA a hospital get $13,000 for each patient diagnosed with covid-19 and $39,000 for each patient with covid-19 that gets put on a respirator.

    You get the behaviour you reward.

  100. @davidgmillsatty

    Most don’t seem to understand that Covid is costing the medical community lots of money, and they have little financial interest in turning non-Covid deaths into Covid deaths.

    Really,? Medicare compensation is higher by simply marking any patient as having the corona virus.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  101. Alfred says:
    @cranc

    explaining the sheer absurdity of this Imperial model

    Ferguson knew all along that it was producing rubbish. But that was the the objective. He had the controlled media on his side. Bill Gates paid him, and lots of others, off. The total giveaway is that as soon as the population of the UK was locked up, they dropped their death projection by 92%. Of course, by then, the government is also in on the game and they did not unlock the population.

    Ferguson’s alleged dalliance with a married woman was part of the game. I suspect he is gay. It removed him from the spotlight and from having to explain himself.

    Boris Johnson’s sudden illness was feigned to cover for his surprise at being ordered to change course and to ignore his epidemiological advisors.

    I guess countries get the psychopaths they deserve.

    “Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite” – Joseph de Maistre

  102. @Astuteobservor II

    Refreshing ability to cut to the chase!

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  103. Alfred says:
    @TRM

    Anyone got similar stats for Sweden and/or Belarus?

    The website https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/#z-scores-by-country has been “improved” so that it is now much more difficult to get every country in one .JPG file. After an hour messing about with PhotoShop, I created the image below for all ages.

    It shows that Sweden is far better off than the UK which is in lockdown.

    Denmark and Norway have below normal mortality – but they are still in lockdown.

    France had a peak and now they are well below norm. It would seem that those about to die died a few weeks earlier.

    Germany has below norm mortality.

    The important thing to understand from all this data is that the exponential growth hypothesis is a total nonsense. Furthermore, our masters and controllers knew that all along. The purpose of the lockdowns is to encourage panic and to give the bankers a pretext to cover their bad debts. 🙂

    • Thanks: DaveE
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  104. Alfred says:
    @TRM

    Anyone got similar stats for Sweden and/or Belarus?

    Here is from Wikipedia. Please be careful as the chart is cumulative. That is a favourite trick for those promoting panic. Yesterday, 5 people died. Big deal!

    COVID-19 Pandemic in Belarus

  105. Alfred says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Most don’t seem to understand that Covid is costing the medical community lots of money, and they have little financial interest in turning non-Covid deaths into Covid deaths.

    If this is so, then how come outcomes for those hospitalised in Russia is 10+ times better than for those hospitalised in the UK or the USA. It is a total scandal.

    Are they deliberately killing their patients? Or are they too stupid to ask the Russians for enlightenment?

    BTW, Google, Wikipedia and EuroMomo have made it more difficult to compare countries. I guess they are trying to make it difficult for people in the USA and the UK to know that their elderly are being “put to sleep” – like an old toothless dog – or being falsely labelled as Covid-19 victims. 🙁

    For example, this link no longer works https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html

    I am forced to resort to PhotosShop which is time-consuming. But I think it was worth it. 🙂

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  106. The clock vs orange dichotomy MIGHT be an interesting structure to ponder, however our clocks are busted yet control freaks. I am a retired scientist, and have been following the epidemic with other scientists since before the WHO deigned to make covid-19 a pandemic. I have no idea on when and where it started, although the vehement protestations from the small cadre of coronavirus virologists claiming a 12 nucleotide stretch (the furin cleavage site) magically appeared in the SARS-CoV2 virus without any lab input cannot be accepted. Given that a 2014 Moratorium forbade working with gain-of-function (which in bat coronaviruses and other viruses, meant addition of the furin cleavage site to speed up growth of the virus in tissue culture for easier study), I would think Man rather than Evolution is responsible for covid-19; although unproven either way, you cannot categorically protest that this did not come from a lab. We simply don’t know (but you can be sure that an ‘intermediate’ host is frantically being created for CYA purposes).
    The official narratives often contain statements that screech like fingernails on a blackboard to scientists (are there no competent ones involved?) PCR tests only detect the virus for the initial two to three weeks of infection. It is a one point in time assay, mainly used for diagnosis. You can be negative early when infected, you will be negative when the virus is done. Most ill effects are due to the immune system responding to the virus, not the virus itself. Cyokine storm is the worst outcome.) The Asian countries which followed basic Public Health procedures and immediately implemented travel bans against infected countries (ignoring WHO advice) have fatality rates of 0-5 per million; Western countries have fatality rates of 90-750. It is the same virus. Asian countries used PCR tests to track and quarantine those infected and their contacts, thus minimizing spread. In Western countries the virus became “community spread”, essentially untrackable except when New York City denizens escaped the plague and brought it to America’s backwaters. The PCR test is only good for three weeks at most, ie, if someone asymptomatic brought the virus into a community they would be untrackable as the cause unless detected quickly.
    The antibody (serological) test as a different purpose. The hope is that anyone exposed, will harbor antibodies to the virus for months. (Probably the case, otherwise vaccine prospects are bleak.) Initial antibody testing used poor quality assays; that said, the concept was solid and many of the assays faults could be corrected mathematically. Since then more sensitive and more reliable (less false positives and negatives) antibody tests have become available. The big question is how many people have been exposed in different communities? In hard hit Northern Italian towns antibody testing suggested over 50%, in German hotspots 14%, NYC 21%, Stanford area 5%. Obviously much will need repeating with the better tests. The official narratives are that those numbers are too high (since high numbers of infected mean the fatality rate is much lower); most scientists expected the antibody positive numbers to be much higher (covid-19 is EXTREMELY contagious) and are hoping improved tests have higher sensitivity to get an accurate fatality rate as well as a premature estimation of herd immunity.
    I’ve read official narratives in MSM saying Moscow has run huge numbers of recent tests and ‘only’ 2% are infected (thus 98% are in danger!) If this is using the PCR test as most likely, only the presently infected are detected, the REAL numbers who have had covid-19 and recovered are likely much higher. This is where antibody testing would be most useful.
    Covid-19, despite the noise, is dangerous only to old people and those with pre-existing cardiovascular conditions (hypertension, diabetes). So the focus should be on isolating/ protecting these (2%?) vulnerable, and letting the rest get on with their lives. The Theodore Roosevelt aircraft carrier (at last check) had 1150 PCR-positive out of a crew of 5000 (the antibody tests have not been run). Even so there was only one fatality (an epileptic who may have fallen and struck his head); so the fatality rate was 1/ 1150 or 0.087%, typical of healthy, young people (and most Asian countries).

    • Replies: @Bert
    , @Lost american
  107. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Zarathustra

    Imagine that there are only two people in the world.
    One dies at two years old and the other dies at 82 years old.

    Zarathustra,

    Do you understand the difference between a mean and a median? Half the population dies before the median age at death and half dies after. If we use the median, and not the mean, life expectancy is actually longer:

    Life expectancy is the mean number of years someone is expected to live if conditions would remain the same in the future as they are in the current year. But because life expectancy is slightly skewed to the left, David Spiegelhalter calculated that median life expectancy is about three years longer than the mean. That means that most people should expect to live longer than their life expectancy as it is usually calculated.

    https://understandinguncertainty.org/why-life-expectancy-misleading-summary-survival

    In the U.S., the mean age at death is 76 and the median age at death is 80:

    According to the SSA’s 2014 period life table*, male life expectancy at birth is 76 years. That’s the mean value. The median life expectancy is just past age 80. And the mode (i..e, most common) age at death is age 86.

    https://obliviousinvestor.com/mean-vs-median-life-expectancy-for-retirement-planning/

  108. @RationalRabbit

    It is the loss of all of the regular business because people can’t or won’t go to doctors’ offices, clinics or hospitals. And of course that affects the pharmaceutical industry as well, and then the insurance industry, etc. So this loss far exceeds the gain from medicare.

  109. @obwandiyag

    You’re just a confused, muddle brained crack head walking down the sidewalk talking to himself between Tourette’s body jerks.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @Colin Wright
  110. @Alfred

    Your logic does not necessarily follow. Some countries have not been affected the way that others have. Germany is an anomaly compared to all of the other western European countries. We don’t know why yet and maybe never will. For a long time the UK seemed to be an anomaly as well but then out of nowhere their cases mushroomed and they now have the second most deaths in the world. Sweden seems to be an anomaly until you look at Finland and Norway and compared to those two Sweden is doing horrible.

    For the longest time Russia had very few cases just like the UK. Now their cases are rising fast. Will they be like Germany or the UK?

    We now know there are two major strains of the virus. Here is a map of the two major strains (from a recent publication in the Lancet) called D614 and G614. Just looking at the map you can see that one strain is predominantly in Europe and the other predominantly in Asia. And the Eastern half of the US has one strain and the western half another.

    That could explain the differences between what is happening in Asia and Europe and the Eastern US and the Western US.

    https://cov.lanl.gov/apps/covid-19/map/

    • Replies: @Alfred
  111. @TRM

    This article has some data: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/covid-19-death-toll-misleading-all-cause-mortality-excess-deaths-pandemic/

    Chris Martenson has been showing similar data in graphic form on his videos:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD2-QVBQi48RRQTD4Jhxu8w

    Bottom line: the virus is very real and the total deaths (apples to apples, weekly 2020 vs 2019) proves it beyond any doubt.

    • Replies: @TRM
  112. Agent76 says:
    @Alfred

    I believe you skipped over the most important part. Did you even listen? What part of this title did you miss? ΙCU DR unknowingly describes the EFFECTS of 60GHz on patients!

  113. @FactChecker

    So few understand this retarded orange n clock bullshit is just the same ole divide n conquer of the retarded masses.

    Just like the two party system.

    • Agree: davidgmillsatty
  114. Agent76 says:

    May 2, 2020 FAUCI NAMED AS DNA TERMINATOR FROM VACCINE – 1994

    DR. FAUCI was a key player in a “virus induced pandemic” 10 years ago during the AIDS crisis and is still playing Dr. Mengele (Angel of Death) today with new buddy, Bill Gates.

    • Agree: Akouo
  115. @Peter Frost

    Which is why herd immunity is just a euphemism for herd culling.

  116. clif says:
    @mijj

    Appreciate the acknowledgement of creationist POV!

  117. Alfred says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Your link does not work. But thanks for trying.

    I got the chart below from the main page of that website. I fail to see the exponential growth that we were promised.

    For the longest time Russia had very few cases just like the UK. Now their cases are rising fast. Will they be like Germany or the UK?

    I understand from your reasoning that Russia and the UK have the same strain?

    Do you seriously think they are going to do an investigation if Russia has 1/10th of the fatalities per capita as the UK?

    Or are we going to get some smart guy saying that the population/hectare in Russia is much lower than the UK – conveniently ignoring the fact that Moscow, London and NYC are directly comparable.

  118. @Peter Frost

    None of that has any relevancy for me.
    Only relevant for me would be yearly overall death rate in US for the past 10 years.

  119. Akouo says:

    Not even worth answering with such peurile definitions. The u s attacks China AGAIN, with virus’ but this time it’s also loose in the u s. Americans dish out misery, it’s a ONE way street so have zero experience in dealing with anything. The guilty parties desperately try to control and the clueless object and america slips a little closer to the ‘U’ bend of history.

  120. @Justvisiting

    I was not agreeing with you retard. I was disagreeing with idiots like you who think that at any time anybody had any “freedoms” anywhere, long before there was a plague.

    Yes, plague-deniers like you are the pro-freedom crowd. You want everybody to die. And, as any intelligent person knows, there is no freedom but in the grave. Congratulations.

  121. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    I write an intelligent and witty response and you just right some dumbass winger drivel. Gee, you’re smart. In your own brain.

  122. @Alfred

    Graphs are the stigmata of the unsure-of-themselves. The virus is real and it is obvious. The bankers may be taking what advantage they can. Everybody is taking what advantage they can. After the fact of the very real virus. This is usually how our owners work. They don’t cause things. They make do with what they got. The thing is, our owners could be making a lot more money if everything “opened-up” and they have got to people like you and brainwashed people like you into thinking that you are these big revolutionaries when you’re really just doing their bidding, pushing for open-up, because that’s what they really want.

    • Agree: Regulo
  123. 4justice says:
    @g8way

    Real scientists are oranges. Real scientists understand that we will never completely understand the universe and thus need to be humble in our creations and tinkerings. Those who worship science/technology worship the creations of man. They are idolaters. Not all scientists or engineers worship science and technology. The higher the education, the less likely a parent is to vaccinate as directed. The more educated, the less likely a parent is to believe that humans with their profit conflicted science and their liability protected manufacturing can be trusted to be honest about whether they have or have not actually improved upon the intelligent human immune system that has co-evolved with pathogens for millennia. Some technology worshipers are driven to science and technology fields because of their faith in this arena. Others are driven to these fields because of their love of logic and order (logos) and never lose their humility in the face of the awe of creation. Others are more neutral but get a dose of humility when they get inside the field like the restaurant worker who sees what happens inside the kitchen when the health inspector is not around and is a little less trusting of how it gets produced, what gets funding and why, etc.

    Clocks worship science/technology/man/themselves and fear nature. Oranges believe in Logos and fear only God’s judgement. Of course, these are broad strokes and won’t capture all the variations.

    • Agree: DaveE, AB_Anonymous, Vojkan
  124. TRM says:
    @Justvisiting

    “Bottom line: the virus is very real and the total deaths (apples to apples, weekly 2020 vs 2019) proves it beyond any doubt.”

    No it doesn’t. The CDC’s own numbers that I posted show 39,0005 deaths in New York state for the first 16 weeks of 2020 compared with the 2014-17 four year average of 40,000.

    There are no excess deaths in New York so far.

    • Replies: @Justvisiting
  125. Interesting article, BUT Theres a big black key winding up the ‘clocks’. Its the MIC and the plan (that was) to take out China, followed by dissident countries like Italy and Iran, especially Iran. It blew up. The ‘yarn’ that this suddenly came out of some ‘bat soup’ is ludicrous. Oh dear nasty Chinese eating poor little bats, nasty people look what they have done to us. Of course to Europeans bats are nasty things that creep into your room at night and suck your blood. Want an answer, ask the bio lab in Georgia..

    • Replies: @Regulo
  126. @Jim Bob Lassiter

    ‘You’re just a confused, muddle brained crack head walking down the sidewalk talking to himself between Tourette’s body jerks.’

    Actually, I think it’s that he’s black.

  127. @Peter Frost

    I did find on google death rate of US in 2019 to be 8.7. That is giving me a total death in US to be 2.9 million in last year. Per month it comes to 230 thousand.
    But if I do divide The population number by number of deaths I do get a median of 120.
    ……………………………………..
    You are much smarter than me so please do figure out this one for me.
    Thank you in advance!!!!!!

  128. Bert says:
    @Michael888

    You present a good summary.

    Covid-19, despite the noise, is dangerous only to old people and those with pre-existing cardiovascular conditions (hypertension, diabetes). So the focus should be on isolating/ protecting these (2%?) vulnerable, and letting the rest get on with their lives.

    That conclusion was warranted even before SARS-2 broke out of China, and it could have been the basis of a plan to avoid deaths and economic disruption in the U.S. In early March I submitted such a plan to offices of a dozen Republican lawmakers and to the Republican governor of my state. Unfortunately for all of us the political leadership evidently believes that photo-ops, not decisiveness, is the essence of leadership.

    • Replies: @Sepulchrave
  129. The question is: How does a society achieve immunity without imposing a containment policy that forces universal isolation? It can’t be done or can it? Swedish experts figured out how pursue two seemingly-conflicting objectives at the same time: Contain the virus sufficiently so it doesn’t collapse the health care system while exposing enough people to the infection to eventually achieve controlled immunity. Without some immunity, nations are condemned to an endless cycle of widespread outbreaks that decimate the economy and stress the health care system.
    We are not naturally immune to the common cold or the flu and pneumonia. Moreover we do take precautions when we find the evidence of such. We naturally isolate the carrier and give appropiate treatment as well as personally take precautions. This also happens with other virus’s and communicable diseases.
    What does this do? Rates of infection drop. The problem of transmission (R) is confined or reduced. With the present COVID-19 this would reduce the transmission rate from an exponential rate to one that is quite low (less than R-1). When not confined the tranmission factor, which is time and number sensetive, could drop from 100 percent to maybe 5 percent. It would not be exponential.

    The difference between COVID-19 or the common cold abd the flu is one where a carrier shows no symptons of the virus for a period of time. To overcome this we need testing, a vaccine may be a bonus yet none exist for the common cold. The further, and perhaps crutial, question is how long does a carrier retain the ability to spread the virus? It would seem medical opinion and science tells us this is limited although studies are now finding that people are shedding more virus during early stages of the disease rather than the later stages. In fact the viral load was “highest during the first week after symptom onset and subsequently declined with time”.

    Yet the Swedish public health authority has surveyed the prevalence of antibodies to the SARS-COV-2 virus in Stockholm County. How can it be true that herd immunity has been reached in Stockholm County with only about 17% of the population having been infected, while an R0 of 2.0 is normally taken to imply a herd immunity of 50%?

    A recent paper (Gomes et al) provides the answer. It shows that variation between individuals in their susceptibility to infection and their propensity to infect others can cause herd immunity to be much lower than it is in a homogeneous population. There is also strong evidence that a small proportion of individuals account for most infections – the ‘superspreaders’. A Shenzhen-based study estimated that 8.9% of cases were responsible for 80% of total infections. Therefor contact tracing is a must to determine an original source.

    The main way the disease spreads is through respiratory droplets expelled by someone who is coughing. The risk of catching COVID-19 from someone asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic is very low. Thus the spread is time and distance sensitive. The infectious period is estimated as 4 (=7 − 3) days. To note: most infections are not apparent during infection.

    Conclusions from the study below: The number of fatalities involved in achieving herd immunity with SARS-COV-2 is much lower than it would otherwise be. The fatality rate to reach herd immunity in less densely populated areas should be lower, because R0 is positively related to population density. As the epidemic shrinks it should be increasingly practicable to hasten its end by using testing and contact tracing to prevent infections spreading,

    https://judithcurry.com/2020/05/10/why-herd-immunity-to-covid-19-is-reached-much-earlier-than-thought/#more-26133

  130. Khaliljal says:

    “This was the most brilliant thing I’ve read yet on COVID-19. This guy really nailed it.”

  131. @Colin Wright

    Could be that we get both, one after the other. It doesn’t seem nominal to me in either case.

    Any good recommendations on books covering Roman history to suggest? It’s always be a weak stop and I know there is a lot to mine there.

  132. @botazefa

    What does the US stand to gain by the US releasing a virus in Wuhan?

    Plausible deniability.

  133. @FactChecker

    Rome by Jon E. Lewis. Also I Clodius gives a good picture of mentality of Roman society at time of Tiberius and Herodes.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  134. @Zarathustra

    Also there is Notes from war in Galia, by Julius Caesar. You will find there the reason why Caesar did cross the river Rubicon with his Legions. (I have seen a lot of incorrect comments on that subject on this site.)

  135. @Alfred

    Sir Isaac Newton spent the final years of his life hunting money counterfeiters and convicting them to death

    Me: reads article. “He reformed the government’s policy on counterfeiting and sought to punish counterfeiters and clippers.”

    “and clippers”

    Me: Uh, oh…

  136. @Bert

    The most important part of all of this (to the 21st century datagogue) is that both polar positions be equally supportable by equally dubious and endless data, effectively paralyzing both predominant sects from making ground in other areas while simultaneously creating space to push otherwise unpopular policy through.

  137. @Zarathustra

    Excellent-appreciate the suggestions!

  138. @Peter Frost

    Now do the median remaining lifespan of an individual who, at age 65, is chronically ill. (We have some clue what the median remaining lifespan of people in nursing homes is… about 6 months – and it’s not a ‘good’ six months, generally).

    Then do the median remaining lifespan for the median covd19 death-with (hell, I’ll cut you some slack… use ‘deaths-maybe-with‘ if you like.

    In NYC the modal age group for deaths-definitely-with is 75+, and 70% of deaths in that age group have known underlying conditions. A further 29% have ‘unknown’ underlying conditions… only 2 confirmed deaths in over 75s definitely have no underlying conditions.

    Note that confirmed deaths in NYC total 15,101 as at yesterday. A ‘confirmed death’ is a death where the patient has returned a posiivge PCR test for SARS-nCoV-2, so it’s a death-definitelywith (which is a superset of death-definitelyfrom)

    The last several years of life for chronically-ill septuagenarians are generally of relatively poor quality: nobody in their right mind would think that saving the lives of chronically-ill 80 year olds is worth enduring anywhere near the same number of suicides (median age ~37-40 in the US).

    From there it becomes a question of what number of suicides per saved chronically ill septuagenarian becomes too high to be worth it.

    • Replies: @Regulo
  139. I am a clock who suspects that the clocks in the public square are kept deliberately misset.

  140. @TRM

    You need to compare week to week 2019 and 2020 in March, April and May–January and early February numbers skew the numbers.

    This is not that difficult–but it does require a tiny bit of integrity.

    • Replies: @TRM
  141. According to Jack Reacher 7000 people die every day. That makes 210 000 per month.
    (I do consider this as positively lowest lever estimation.)

  142. @Just another serf

    That’s certainly what I’m hoping.

  143. YasmineK says:

    That’s soo amaaziing 👌

  144. @Zarathustra

    I will have to wait a few hours to go home and check my translation.

    I remember it being very dry on politics and the like. It was more of just an accounting of the military conquest. At then end I recall him basically just saying he was going back to Rome. What was the reason he gave?

    I don’t recall the Gallic Wars covering all the way to the Rubicon crossing.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  145. @Lars Porsena

    Gallia was poor. The conquer of Gallia was decided by Senate to stop the frequent attack of Gallia on Rome.
    The loot from Gallia did not cover the regular payments for the legions. Caesar did ask the Senate to cover the shortfall. Senate under leadership of Pompey rejected Caesar request for funds.
    Caesar did promise to dissolve the legions before crossing the Rubicon after all payments were given to the legionaries. It was the legions themselves who were really upset with Senate.
    Caesar did capture Gallic king Who was executed a year later.

  146. Maciano says:

    > Start reading the article
    > Hope it won’t be another dumb piece
    > Hope gone
    > Checks author’s other articles
    > “gold breaks below 960”

    Yup.

  147. Yet another false choice: it was a planned plot by the usual suspects for a massive political and economical takeover.
    The disease itself, when analyzed closely, is a small phenomenon that would never justify destroying everything and using the government to push retarded plans to “contain” it.
    A lot of the emotional reactions you like so much are extremely hardcoded by Pavlovian repetition and being rational can (and most times will) lead to more positive and humane choices. The jewish hate of intellect is yet another leftover of your roots as backward idiots from the Middle East. And the love for it is more related to your typical manipulation techniques than as an inner value of yours.

  148. @Lars Porsena

    Thanks Lars – it looks worthwhile. I’ll add it to my stack.

  149. Vojkan says:

    “Pythagoras, Plato, Galileo, Newton and Einstein were surely all clocks.” Assumption based on what? The yearning for understanding the fabric of things doesn’t make one a “clock”. The desire to dominate nature even if it means to effectively pervert it does. One can believe in science and be wary of its preachers just as one can believe in God and be wary of His preachers.
    For instance, questioning the wisdom of vaccinating toddlers – and injecting aluminum and mercury in their organisms – against hepatitis B or against mumps isn’t being anti-science. Do you kiss toddlers on the mouth? If you do, you have to be put away from society. The vaccine doesn’t even last until children become effectively at risk, it has to be renewed. Regarding mumps, once you get the disease as a child, you’re immune for life and you suffer no consequences. If you take the vaccine, you need to retake it every ten years. If you don’t get vaccinated again, you may contract mumps as an adult and suffer consequences. Personally, I never got mumps, in spite of regular mingling with sick cousins during my childhood. Something to do with immunity inherited from the mother. Being against clocks is not being irrational.
    Clocks push for vaccines that are at best useless. Clocks push for noxious GMOs threatening biodiversity. Clocks pretend to master evolution better than nature did during billions of years. Clocks push for cutting woods to burn trees (the real-world name for “biomass”) instead of coal or oil. Clocks have created a platform of plastic the size of Texas in the Pacific, choking the main recycler of CO2 and producer of oxygen on Earth, phytoplankton. Clocks pretend to master climate better than nature did during billion of years.
    Alex had one redeeming trait, his love for Beethoven’s music, before his one redeeming trait was destroyed in order to “cure” him. What redeeming trait do our modern clocks have?
    Clocks pretend having the knowledge to rule, I only pretend having the curiosity to seek to understand. I’m an orange, definitely.

  150. @Zarathustra

    ‘Also there is Notes from war in Galia, by Julius Caesar. You will find there the reason why Caesar did cross the river Rubicon with his Legions. (I have seen a lot of incorrect comments on that subject on this site.)’

    What always amazes me about that is that while the Rubicon is presumably a modest stream, it’s in the Desolation Wilderness Area just west of Lake Tahoe, California.

    Other considerations aside, what a feat of marching!

  151. Regulo says:
    @Zarathustra

    Working the night shift harms ones health; lack of sleep, sunlight. Only truly essential work should ever be done at night.

  152. Regulo says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The life of someone in their seventies and up with underlying health conditions, is of the same value as that of someone in their 30’s and 40’s;that includes those who are suicidal. Sacrificing the chronically health impaired old for the sake of [suicidal] younger healthy people is unethical.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  153. Regulo says:
    @BlackDragon

    Italy is not a dissident country; they allow US military bases [that’s subservience].
    But the narrative that some workers in the Wuhan lab took some infected lab bats and sold them in the market nearby; like they are ignoramuses, or callous, or need money so bad to eat that they would do that, is pure anti China[ racist] propaganda.

  154. “The true enemy is how we interact with nature, the very nature that impels us into the wild to hunt, eat and do all the other things people do in the forest.”

    There is no “Nature” left. There is no “forest” in Central Park… There is no “game” in the forest. There’s nothing to eat but tech-talk and industrial swill. Good luck with all that…

  155. vox4non says:

    Things are not black or white, they appear in many shades of grey.

    This article highlights the flaw of the current thinking dogma, you must either be for or against. How about an alternative way? Where there are 2 variables, you have 3 outcomes but you silence one which could be in the long-run the most beneficial. Introduce more variables, you have more outcomes yet too many still insist on locking us into a binomial answering mechanism. How will that benefit society?

  156. @FactChecker

    ‘Could be that we get both, one after the other. It doesn’t seem nominal to me in either case.

    Any good recommendations on books covering Roman history to suggest? It’s always be a weak stop and I know there is a lot to mine there.’

    I’ve read a number. Nothing really knocked my socks off — and nothing really covers the evolution I referred to. I’d just reiterate that what ‘Rome’ was changed over time. To see the society that existed in the Second Century as somehow the same as the one that existed in the Fifth Century because they both had the same name would be as big a mistake as to think that Philadelphia that existed in 1770 must be somehow similar to the Philadelphia that exists today because they’re ‘the same’ city.

  157. anon[722] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Israel had a hand behind the Corona. Just like they (and their Zionist compradors in the U.S.) were the principle orchestrators of 9/11.

    The whole of the Unz website knowstogether Israel & Jewish power was behind 9/11.

    There are voluminous material & articles on Unz demonstrating so, and it’s plainly common knowledge for the people on the site — both its authors and its readers. (And plainly common knowledge for a larger body of people, on the left and the right, in the 9/11 Truth movement and beyond.)

    I wonder when Anatoly Karlin is going to address 9/11. Everybody else on the site ALREADY does anyways — either tangentially, by implication, or directly.

    How long can Anatoly continue to pretend it doesn’t exist and avoid the topic, I wonder? Does he really think he can avoid it forever?

    If Toly-boy thinks there’s no Jew-clue to the Jew-flu, will he also CONTINUE TO BE a ass-bag on the truth of the 9/11 false-flag?

    Everybody knows, Toly-boy.

    EV. UH. REE. BUH. DEE. NOES.

    EVERYBODY.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-mossad-assassinations/

    American Pravda: Mossad Assassinations
    The JFK Assassination and the 9/11 Attacks?

    by Ron Unz

    https://www.unz.com/gatzmon/a-viral-pandemic-or-a-crime-scene/

    A Viral Pandemic or A Crime Scene?

    https://www.unz.com/article/911-was-an-israeli-job/

    9/11 Was an Israeli Job – How America was neoconned into World War IV

    https://www.unz.com/article/9-11-truth-under-lockdown-for-nearly-two-decades/

    9/11 Truth: Under Lockdown for Nearly Two Decades

  158. Orange is the old normal, Clock is the so called “new normal”. I’m strictly Orange! One of my fav movies and an excellent vehicle for your analogy sir!

  159. TG says:

    Kind of a weird post. You make too much of squeezing people into your Procrustean clock/orange bed, IMHO.

    But: “About 265 million people around the world are forecast to be facing acute food insecurity by the end of this year, a doubling of the 130 million estimated to suffer severe food shortages last year.”

    WRONG WRONG WRONG. That’s been put in place for some time, it’s because Malthus was right, and no people can’t double their populations very 20 years, generation after generation, before too long brute grinding misery and poverty will slow population growth – AS IT ALWAYS HAS – and the survivors won’t enjoy it.

    But you are so busy with your oh so clever clocks and oranges thing that you can’t see the main event.

    Malthus was right. If people try to have more people than they can reasonably support, it won’t end well. It never has. The coronavirus is a sideshow. India with 1.4 billion people living worse off than Medieval Europe? Pakistan and Bangladesh and Nigeria etc.etc. living even worse than India? And possibly dragging the entire world down with them? THAT is the main event. A mountain of human suffering and misery greater than anything the coronavirus could ever throw at us, and it’s here, and it’s real. The coronavirus is hardly a footnote.

    But the rich love their cheap labor. So we can’t talk abut this.

  160. @FactChecker

    Fact Checker- thanks for putting video “Selling Divorce To The West” here. The 8 minute You Tube is worth watching. I hated the 60s except for the baseball rivalries (I am now 69 1/2) and watching Mantle and Maris go for 61 home runs. I also liked the unity in our large family.
    My blue collar dad told me in the mid 60s that Hollywood and the leftists in New York were going to ruin America and the families and that these perverts and radicals didn’t care, and that they wanted to push their rotten, dirty lives on all the common people. He was right of course and I learned how to think critically about what the media tells us. For a teenager these movies were depressing garbage. The movie posters of the 30s through 50s had bright colors, great calligraphy, and then in the 60s we got dull colors and someone’s dull, cheap views of life.
    I went into the military in 1968 partly because I wanted to escape the world the leftists were giving us. I also believed the JFK thing about helping fight Communism. For those people without money we didn’t have many opportunities so many did join the military.
    The same minds that gave us divorce, sexual promiscuity, and all kinds of mental destructiveness are very active today.
    Thanks for this video. It shows how society destructed when families destructed because of the influence of big media and soulless, cruel Hollywood.

  161. @Michael888

    Michael 888- very good. I have been going to strictly medical and research sites to get information.

  162. There is a more fundamental question. Do you believe in God or are you a materialist? Clocks are inherent materialists, who deny the concept of creation by a creator God who designed, intelligently, a proper world, universe for us to live in. They deny that God’s proper creation was and is being destroyed by evil and sin and the true fix is not moral and spiritual, as the oranges claim, but mechanical/scientific/political/structural as the clocks claim. Clocks are Marxists to the core, with everything subservient to the state/clock power structure as defined, to the technological elite who will remove from creation everything that is “wrong” and fix the problems using the proper mechanical/scientific/political/structural process. Trust them. They know what they are doing. It is “science” and they know the answers because they have arrived at a clock consensus, despite history proving over and over that this position is both erroneous and close minded to the reality that we often have no idea what we are doing. Clocks believe they can deconstruct the complexity of existence to manageable formulas they can tweak to get the result that they want, successfully redesigning the flaws out of the system since those flaws do not proceed from moral failures that corrupt everything but from poor original design that they are going to fix.

    In the end, you either trust God or trust those who deny God and believe they are godlike enough to fix what they tell you is wrong into what they tell you is right. That is the fundamental difference between oranges and clocks.

  163. TRM says:
    @Justvisiting

    “You need to compare week to week 2019 and 2020 in March, April and May–January and early February numbers skew the numbers.”

    I have and no having January to February doesn’t skew the numbers. The average for the same time period in the previous 4 years is used for comparison. How does that skew the numbers? It doesn’t.

    Found a way to get accurate “total death” numbers from the CDC. It addresses several problems I had using with both state and CDC. For example the CDC counts New York City separate from New York State but the state data includes both.

    As of the 2020-06-05 data from the CDC for weeks 1 to 16 in 2020 all states are listed as complete although more updates to the data will happen. I’ll re-run this again when they update the states that are not at 100% yet.

    For 2020 the USA has an “excess death” rate about 6.6% (60,607) higher than the previous 4 year average for weeks 1 to 16. As a comparison I checked the first 16 weeks of 2018 compared to the previous 4 year average and it was 7.2% (63,260).

    The script and all related files are here if you want to kick the tires:
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fh9x5fngmfbeiiu/AAAH-OtOMqiY_R9qqG6YccCRa?dl=0

    Recently Yoram Lass (formerly director-general of Israel’s Ministry of Health) gave an interview and said “total deaths” was the only way to look at it.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/22/nothing-can-justify-this-destruction-of-peoples-lives/

    “Mortality due to coronavirus is a fake number. Most people are not dying from coronavirus. Those recording deaths simply change the label.”

    “The only real number is the total number of deaths – all causes of death, not just coronavirus.”

    PS. The dropbox also contains the first run at weeks 1 to 21 (end of May) which shows +6.8% but a combined 8 weeks are missing due to “Incomplete Data”. I’ll run again when they are closer to 100% complete.

  164. Olorin says:
    @Bert

    Coming to this discussion late…but you are putting your finger on why the hysterically-manufactured-crisis element of response to this microbial breakout has the character it does:

    Since at least the late 1990s we have been hearing that when Baby Boomers start retiring, things are Really Going To Have To Change (TM).

    For the first time, living to elderhood isn’t considered a grace and blessing but a burden to all. And this is at the same time as, noted above, the life expectancy of whites is plummeting and the causes of that ignored.

    In some quarters investment in over 55 lifestyle communities was seen as the big financial path forward. In others, in Pharma. In still others, in extended or home care services.

    A converged solution was offered in the form of Obamacare: in return for continuing to play along with the globalist financial order, Baby Boomers would allow their biology to be redefined as the newest realm of real estate in the FIRE economy model. Every aspect of aging would be monetarized on terms guaranteed to produce maximum wealth transfer from retirees as they are systematically replaced by populations hand-picked for dependency and ill health. As the system killed off whites early, it could crow about extending the life expectancy of Third Worlders. All in the name of the most fashionable mask of 2020: anti-racism.

    This was to be coupled with an unprecedented push to turn failing higher ed institutions into factories of newly minted Health Care Workers (mostly black and latino), and thus an ongoing buttress of the degrees-for-debt industry. We see the power of this model in the “make all cops social workers” push by AFSCME–a union that is remaking itself as a primary health care industry union:

    https://afscme.org/about/jobs-we-do/health-care-workers

    In 2014, giant corporations made enormous amounts of money–a trillion to the top ten health care companies alone–in the Obamacare gold rush.

    The 10 Biggest Health Care Companies in the Fortune 500
    BY LAURA LORENZETTI
    June 20, 2015 1:00 PM UTC

    For companies in the health care industry, 2014 was an exceptionally busy year, as companies adapted to new Affordable Care Act regulations and sought new partners in a pharmaceutical and biotech mergers-and-acquisition spree.

    Some companies in the sector have taken advantage of the changes and rocketed up the Fortune 500 list, including AmerisourceBergen, which moved to No. 16 from No. 28, and Aetna, which went to No. 49 from No. 57. Others, like UnitedHealth Group and Anthem, have held steady.

    But for the most part, the health-care behemoths rode the wave of change, finding ways to maintain or improve sales amid a fast-changing landscape.

    The fact that all 10 of these firms are in Fortune’s top 50 speaks volumes about the dominant role health care plays in the U.S. economy. (You can explore the full list here, in its new, sortable online version.)

    http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/positives_pr_pharma_356388
    http://archive.is/XwBQQ

    I see the “covid” operation–revealed to my eye by the health care PR industry’s obvious (for those of us in that profession) but invisible hand in things like the “TikTok nurse dance revue,” “clap for NHS,” “blink your lights for the heroes,” endless headlines and graphics and clips and panic–as a response to resistance to Obamacare’s model of further cattle-izing everyone.

    It has been propagated and expanded to build the mechanism of control over the masses while SIMULTANEOUSLY engineering what amounts to a global health care industry/services strike. The excess deaths resulting from this are going to be massive…but you don’t have to worry about ever learning about that.

    The overall message is that you cannot access health care unless you do exactly as told at every turn in your daily round…and there is no opportunity to dissent from that if you want treatment. In other words, your body and mind belong to the Pharma-State industry. Not to yourself. It strikes me as appallingly insidious.

    As I watch the conflicting policies based on utterly ginned up statistics here in Pugetopolis, I’m at odds to understand how ANYONE could be taking it seriously except out of fear of retribution. The Democrats in charge treat “pandemic data” exactly the way they treat vote counting–the data keep shifting and those numbers somehow always end up supporting their power, position, and narrative. Their shock troops are people who can’t even calculate a 10% tip on a lunch tab without a global telecommunications device. But that is increasingly true of most of the people on your “health care team.” And don’t you dare challenge anything they say, especially with alternative data models or the perspectives of a Ph.D. quant…or you will be forever recorded as NONCOMPLIANT.

  165. Olorin says:
    @Regulo

    In a hurry to kill off non-mediated pre-1980s memory, are you?

    Where do your children and their children get THEIR accounts of the past? BLM?

  166. I am a person. The science of those that are referred to in this article as clocks is not science at all, it is anti-science more than it is science. They are the psychopaths that created the mess that we are now in. Expecting them to be able to engineer a solution would be insane. They are pathological liars. They have only been broken clocks for their entire lives, that have only been correct for two seconds everyday, out of 86,400 seconds each day, and they just lucked out being correct when some person walked by. Unfortunately for them, I have noticed that they are nothing but broken clocks, that are wrong 99.999976582% of the time.

  167. Clara says:

    In essence, the oranges have had the coronavirus for more than twenty years and the clocks haven’t paid much attention. Anderson Cooper & company have barely mentioned their plight.

    There’s a large difference here that has been elided.

    I’m on the clockish side when it comes to coronavirus, but also regarding opioid use. I really don’t care what the oranges do about the virus, as long as they don’t breathe/cough on me and mine and threaten our health; they have a right to be as cavalier as they’d like about their own. (Though jamming up ICUs with their fecklessness is not appreciated.) It’s very simple. Wash your hands a lot and wear a mask in public. Seems to have worked in many other countries, but that’s too hard for our cletii in denial, apparently.

    But they’ve also been cavalier about opioid use and abuse. I don’t care about this form of drug abuse because it’s avoidable. Nancy Reagan was wrong about a lot of things, like the value of astrology, but she was right about drugs. Just. Say. No.

    If opioid use by downtrodden whites leads to deaths of despair, it’s not the fault of the clocks; they’d like to see everyone have access to affordable health care and union contracts. Oranges squeezed themselves.

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