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In reply to a German-hating commentator, another commentator recently remarked:[1]Dr. Charles Fhandrich.  I consign his name to a footnote not to slight him, but because I do not want for his remarks to be misinterpreted out of context.  I hate out-of-context misquotes; and I am accordingly careful not to flip someone’s intended meaning upside-down with even an accidental cherry-pick.

Your whole argument on Germans reminds me of a guy who answered someone who said that the accomplishments of Germany are “mindboggling”. This guy answered somewhat reluctantly, “They make good cars!” lol

As I have previously commented upon, and will blog more about in the future, the Americans bragged about how they looted the brains of the Germans—by unavoidable implication, the Germans’ superior brains.

Quoting ultra-mainstream, classy (for an American magazine) Harper’s, C. Lester Walker, “Secrets by the Thousands”, October 1946:[2]Other sources of this article:  Harper’s website (paywalled), Unz Archive (not publicly viewable at present), and the pertinent pages, pp. 329–336, in the Internet Archive’s copy of Harper’s Volume 193.  My thanks to Herr George Dietz, a most excellent American immigrant who settled in West Virginia, for having reprinted this article verbatim in Liberty Bell, March 1992, pp. 22–32, where it came to my attention.

Someone wrote to Wright Field recently, saying he understood this country had got together quite a collection of enemy war secrets, that many were now on public sale, and could he, please, be sent everything on German jet engines.  The Air Documents Division of the Army Air Forces answered:

“Sorry—but that would be fifty tons.”

Moreover, that fifty tons was just a small portion… […]

In Washington, the Office of Technical Services [] reports that tens of thousands of tons of material are involved.  It is estimated that over a million separate items must be handled, and that they, very likely, contain practically all the scientific, industrial, and military secrets of Nazi Germany.

One Washington official has called it “the greatest single source of this type of material in the world, the first orderly exploitation of an entire country’s brainpower.”

Read the whole article, weep—and be fired with wrath.  For the Americans to rob the Germans was an act that speaks for itself—for them to brag about so robbing the achievements that they themselves could never make was sick, sick, sick, as sick as it was for them to publish a photo of an American woman collecting a “Jap skull” in the manner of a serial-killer trophy, as “Photo of the Week” in so-called “LIFE” (!) magazine.  No wonder the Americans have such a fetish for lurid fantasies about Germans gassing Jews, stuffing Jews into ovens, melting down Jewish bodies and making them into soap:[3]A small personal footnote:  When I first dared to dig into historical revisionism, I was shocked to learn that even Yad Vashem had disclaimed the “Jewish soap” tale.  Shocked—because it had been repeated to me so many times, as an established, indisputable, unquestionable fact that showed German character.  It is called psychological projection.

America has the culture of a gang of deranged criminals; no wonder the American people accept literally being ruled by gangsters as their so-called “government”.  And when Americans speak of “liberating” a country, as I recently remarked, they mean it in the sense that shoplifters speak of “liberating” goodies that they want—except that the Americans are orders of magnitude more violent criminals, and instead of only stealing material stuff, they steal achievements, they steal glory, they steal culture—they steal souls.  By comparison, how innocent were the old Vikings, who made merry by pillaging gold and women!

The Americans violently robbed the Germans of superior German science and technology.  The brain-leeching American pirates also took for themselves some of the best German scientists on offer you can’t refuse types of terms, used them to put on the moon an ugly American flag[4]Obiter dictum, I remark that the famous C.S.A. battle flag is much more aesthetic than the U.S.A. flag. (which should by right have been a Swastika flag), and then viciously persecuted one of them to please the Jews.

So, yes:  By the undeniable admission of their own acts, the Americans proclaimed to history that the Germans were incomparably superior to themselves.  Seething with jealous hatred, the Americans coveted German superiority:  They had to destroy it, and they also had to steal as much of it as they could.

Of course, echoing my recent quote of Professor Oliver, “I do not mean that individual Americans approve of all the work of Liberation.  In fact, I am sure that many individuals disapprove of such details as I have mentioned.  That may be unfortunate.”  Professor Oliver himself was a great American patriot—a proud Southerner whose heart was always in the South, although he spent most of his life in Illinois—and most of all, an honorable man:  A man of conscience, who came to express guilt and shame for his country. ®


Notes:

[1] Dr. Charles Fhandrich.  I consign his name to a footnote not to slight him, but because I do not want for his remarks to be misinterpreted out of context.  I hate out-of-context misquotes; and I am accordingly careful not to flip someone’s intended meaning upside-down with even an accidental cherry-pick.

[2] Other sources of this article:  Harper’s website (paywalled), Unz Archive (not publicly viewable at present), and the pertinent pages, pp. 329–336, in the Internet Archive’s copy of Harper’s Volume 193.  My thanks to Herr George Dietz, a most excellent American immigrant who settled in West Virginia, for having reprinted this article verbatim in Liberty Bell, March 1992, pp. 22–32, where it came to my attention.

[3] A small personal footnote:  When I first dared to dig into historical revisionism, I was shocked to learn that even Yad Vashem had disclaimed the “Jewish soap” tale.  Shocked—because it had been repeated to me so many times, as an established, indisputable, unquestionable fact that showed German character.

[4] Obiter dictum, I remark that the famous C.S.A. battle flag is much more aesthetic than the U.S.A. flag.

 
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  1. I would be careful about hanging too much on German jet engine technology. They did steal a march with the first operational axial compressor one while the British were still using centrifugal compressors, which with improvements was used in the first US jet fighter, all this prior to the end of WWII, but even without this “contribution” from Germany which I gather started with crashed jets axial compressors would have become the universal design sooner or later.

    To contribute something positive, I highly recommend the somewhat technical MIT Press book Prime Movers of Globalization: The History and Impact of Diesel Engines and Gas Turbines. Note that the German named Rudolf Christian Karl Diesel deserves a great deal of credit, as does the German approach to these sorts of things including universities as openly copied by for example MIT, for being determined to make the most thermodynamically efficient piston engine possible after listening to lectures by another German named Carl Paul Gottfried Linde. That last name should also ring a bell to those who follow these sorts of thing; all this happened in the late 19th Century after German unification.

    While I’m recommending books, perhaps also see Technology and International Transformation: The Railroad, the Atom Bomb, and the Politics of Technological Change where if I remember correctly you’ll learn something about railroad policies and developments in Prussia and I think unified Germany afterwords.

    • Thanks: Raches
  2. BCB232 says:

    “The brain-leeching American pirates also took for themselves some of the best German scientists on offer you can’t refuse types of terms, used them to put on the moon an ugly American flag..”

    What? Chubby, sassy black women got us to the moon. I saw it myself. LoL.

  3. BCB232 says:

    Sitting on my desk here is a German made microscope that was my grandfather’s medical school graduation gift. Beautifully made, heavy as a concrete block and still fully functional. He used it for nearly 50 years in his practice. Probably made in the 1930s.

    He was the last exclusively German man in my lineage – I inherited predominately Anglo-Saxon ancestry.

  4. @That Would Be Telling

    The academics of 19th century Europe, were some of the most brilliant people to ever have lived. The Germans did the most but every European nation almost without exception, contributed to modern knowledge, science. You cannot properly understand modern philosophy without reading hundreds of works by Germanics. People like Wilhelm Ostwald, the Baltic German, a gentle but brilliant professor, who had students from around the world, practically wrote the text on all of general chemistry known at the time.

  5. S says:

    No wonder the Americans have such a fetish for lurid fantasies about Germans gassing Jews, stuffing Jews into ovens, melting down Jewish bodies and making them into soap. It is called psychological projection.

    It was not the first time something like this had occurred.

    At the conclusion of the US Civil War powerful elements and hangers on of the North’s Anglo-Saxon elite accused the defeated South of the deliberate mass murder of Union POW’s in the South’s ‘camps’, in particular at Andersonville.

    To protect the lives and well being of the Union POW’s the South had an inoculation program against disease. The claim was made that this health program was in reality a clever disguise of the Southerners, that these life preserving inoculations were in reality ‘poisonous injections’ to ‘murder’ the men.

    The Southerners were also accused of manufacturing leather wallets from the human skin of ‘murdered’ Union POW’s at Andersonville, and of making drinking cups out of the skulls of some of them.

    Many of the Union POW’s at the South’s camps, having plenty of free time, took up bone carving and leather work to occupy themselves. The animal bones and leather they worked with came from the camp’s kitchens. For decades after the Civil War it was possible to buy some of this ‘camp art’ via the classified ads sections of US journals and magazines.

    From what I can tell, this was the source of the aforementioned latter erroneous ‘murder’ claims made against the Southerners.

    Many men, in both the North and South’s POW camps, died in comparable numbers due to disease and poor nutrition. Only the North, however, made the fraudulent claim that in the case of the South this was deliberate mass murder, and not a terrible accident of war.

    The fraudulent accusations reflect a sick, perverse, and hatred filled mind.

    When a moral cause is a poor one, such as the US one in the Civil War was*, it is sometimes necessary to augment it with something…anything.

    The vast bulk of the responsibility here lies with the North-eastern Anglo-Saxon elites and hangers on making the fraudulent claims about the defeated Southerners. They shouldn’t have made them. A man was wrongly executed (Captain Henry Wirz of Andersonville) because of them.

    To add some context to this, it should be noted that in the Anglo-Saxon US, strongest in the north-east, there was an unfortunate (and absurd) ideology called Anglo-American Israelism (aka British Israelism) believed by some. The belief was that the Anglo-Saxon people were of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel, rather than of being of the forests of Northern Europe. [See link below].

    People should be content with their actual origins and not try to be something they aren’t.

    How much influence, if any, Anglo-American Israelism had on the North making its fraudulent accusations against the South, the reader must decide for themselves.

    Below is a link and an excerpt from a post Civil War (Oct, 1870) article, written by an apparent Anglo-Saxon named James Parton whom had perhaps been influenced by British Israelism, which appeared in the then hugely influential Boston based Atlantic Monthly magazine. It was entitled ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’.

    In more modern English this title would translate as ‘Our Jewish Brothers’.

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they [the Jewish people] have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded.’

    The Atlantic Monthly (Oct, 1870) – ‘Our Israelitish Brethren’

    ‘Who can estimate the reparation which Christendom owes this interesting and unoffending people? How abundant, how untiring, should be our charity in judging the faults of character which our own superstition has created or developed!’

    ‘Of the giant wrongs to which they have been subjected for the last ten centuries,—the huge Andersonville outrages,—few readers need to be reminded. In the slaughter of the Jews of Seville, in 1391, thirty-five hundred families were murdered. In 1492, under Ferdinand and Isabella, three hundred thousand heroic Israelites preferred exile to apostasy.’

    ‘Many of them found a resting-place only in the grave or in the depths of the sea; for neither Portugal nor Italy nor Mohammedan Morocco would tolerate the presence of a people who would not comply with their superstitions, and who, by their frugality, continence, temperance, and industry, absorbed the wealth of every country in which they lived.’

    *A primary cause, if not the cause, of the US Civil War, was the North wishing to force upon a recalcitrant South it’s wage slavery system (ie the so called ‘cheap labor’/’mass immigration’ system which is nothing less than chattel slavery and its trade monetized), the economic and political basis of today’s ‘progressive’ Multi-Cultural society. For insight, see the stories behind ‘Bleeding Kansas’, long seen as a micro-cosm of the coming US Civil War, Lawrence ‘Immigrant City’, Massachusetts, and it’s infamous sister city, the abolition center of Lawrence, Kansas, both of whose mid-19th century construction had been financed by the same Lawrence family of Massachusetts textile factory magnates. [For the record, I think both ‘sides’, North and South, had poor moral causes for that damnable war.]

    http://revneal.org/Writings/Writings/british.htm

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1870/10/our-israelitish-brethren/306257/

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  6. Tom Verso says:

    Thank you for that link to the Lester Walker article. It is mind blowing. I am truly stunned.
    ….
    Also,

    The raiding of German minds after war was not limited to science and technology.

    The American military being faced with the post war challenge of the Soviet Union was interested to learn from the German generals, based on their experience on the Eastern Front, tactics and strategies for fighting the Soviets.

    This is discussed in the book “The Myth of the Eastern Front” by Ronald Smelser and Edward J, Davies II.

    They write:
    “…in 1945 the US Army conducted thousands of interrogations of captured German officers….

    “In 1946 Franz Halder (chief of staff of the Army High Command in Nazi Germany from 1938 until September 1942) began working for the US Army Historical Division …

    “In July 1947, he took command of the German officers ..and was made director of the ‘Control Group” of the Historical Division

    “He and his group oversaw the production of what would eventually become 2,500 major manuscripts written by more than 700 former German officers” (e.g. Heinz Guderian, no less, an original developer of Blitzkrieg warfare)
    (pp. 64-66)

    “Americans were especially interested in the German defensive battles during the last two years of the war, for the West anticipated seeing itself at least temporarily in a similar situation if the Soviet Union unleased its sizable army against Central and Western Europe. (p. 68)

  7. Raches: “Professor Oliver himself was a great American patriot …”

    Perhaps. But depending on how you define patriotism, anyone from Benedict Arnold to Joe Biden can be considered a patriot.

    Oliver wrote a great deal in his fine, nineteenth century style; in long sentences with many subordinate clauses, with obscure words and quotations in foreign languages tossed in for spice, but for all his verbosity, he came to no firm conclusions. In the linked article from Modern Age, he apparently envisioned a defense of “civilization” (very important to him! LOL) by resurrecting some form of Christian government in the US. He’s characteristically short on specifics, but coming from him, that’s pretty surprising. He was a man in love with the past, particularly with what was for him the recent past. In the article, he intimates that 1910 (when Oliver was 2 years old!) suited him just fine, and he would even have settled for 1926 or 1932. Regrettably, he never perceived the link between the technology of an age and its culture, and so he naively thought that you could somehow mix modern technology with the character and human qualities of bygone eras. Thus, not understanding that technological progress drives culture, his rhetorical boat only ever had but one oar in the water, and he remained out in the middle of Conspiracy Lake his whole life long, rowing around in a circle.

    There was really no excuse for a man like Oliver, fluent in French, not to have read Jacques Ellul’s masterwork La Technique: L’enjeu du siècle, when it came out in 1954. This omission on his part has always bothered me. I reject out of hand the possibility that he’d never heard of it, but it’s possible he either never got around to reading it or read it and didn’t understand the implications. He was, after all, more linguist than philosopher.

    The other thing about Oliver that I find mysterious is what provoked his racial awakening. He nowhere explains it, afaik, and as I mentioned before, it’s odd that he was working for the War Department during WWII, working against the governments he later claimed to esteem, and for the US government he later claimed to despise. He would have been 34 years old in 1942. People don’t usually acquire strong racial opinions so late in life. Could it all have been an act?

    I think it’s worth considering that he may have been in the employ of the US government all along. How better to negate American “conservatism” and derail any attempts to restore past glories than to misidentify the problem? How better to stifle any revolutionary sentiment than to engage in endless ruminations about possible conspiracies, and assign all the blame for the white man’s current condition to the machinations of Jews and Commies? Alternatively, and idly, he often wonders whether this decline might be due to a biological “degeneracy”; but again, what could be done about this is a topic he never tackles. Because he lacks the insight into the cause of the problem which an understanding of Ellul’s ideas would have given him, he necessarily can arrive at no plan to solve it.

    Ultimately, whether he was sincere but misguided, or just a “patriotic” deep-cover operative for the federal government is not important though. What’s incontestable is that for all his rhetorical brilliance, he ultimately failed to reverse the trends he claimed to deplore.

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  8. Raches says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    Thanks for the references.  I needed a brain recharge and a quick glance over both books before replying.¹  The chapter on Diesel looks fascinating; and you probably guessed that some of the stuff about technology, globalism, and “One World” will pique my interest, for better or for worse.

    I did not intend overly to emphasize German jet engines, although their advances in technology were superb.  That is simply how the Harper’s article started—probably for a reason.  Since it was a contemporaneous article, from an author and his journalistic sources who obviously were not thinking too clearly about how this would be viewed in hindsight, I accord it considerable weight by analogy to what, under courtroom rules of evidence, would be called an “admission against interest”.

    Americans also had some excellent technologists.  So did the British.  So, of course, did many Continental Europeans other than the Germans.  The sciences were substantially international, and grew out of the lowercase-I aristocratic internationalism of the educated classes who knew Latin.  The course of the development of ideas often bounced back and forth between nations.  I would not take a simpleminded view of the way these things go.  (I should elaborate on my opinions of all this sometime.)

    That said, when I look at the history of the sciences, I am amazed by the extremely high concentration of scientists of the first rank in Germany in the nineteenth through mid-twentieth centuries.  Proportionately relative to population, it does make one tend to regard the Germans as a nation of nigh Supermen (in music, also, and some other aspects of high culture).  And when I contemplate these American descriptions of the knowledge ransacked by the Americans at the conclusion of WWII, I cannot help but wonder and speculate about where the overall American economy would be today, without stolen knowledge.  I think that this is an important subject for research by competent historical revisionists.

    I have seen some indications that perhaps, German industrial chemistry may be a good starting area for that research.

    By the by, in the other thread, you said something about you and MIT.  If I may ask (and as a privacy activist, I will understand if that this would be too telling), East or West?  If the answer is what I suspect, please do not take insult that I didn’t just know it.  I am naturally curious—making and testing hypotheses. ®

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    1. Since Mr. Karlin is acceptable here, I will say that I use LG as well as the delightful source of papers thereby listed, to which I have alluded in many of my prior comments.  His links are outdated; I suggest that he should update them.  Much though I loathe Wikipedia, I would just link to the its relevant articles there for the same purpose.  Their sidebar links are always updated with changed URLs—and as an added bonus, in places where you are not supposed to give such links, it is very difficult for anyone to complain about links to Wikipedia.

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  9. Raches says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    There was really no excuse for a man like Oliver, fluent in French, not to have read Jacques Ellul’s masterwork La Technique: L’enjeu du siècle, when it came out in 1954.  This omission on his part has always bothered me.  I reject out of hand the possibility that he’d never heard of it, but it’s possible he either never got around to reading it or read it and didn’t understand the implications.  He was, after all, more linguist than philosopher.

    He knew of Ellul; but I do not know if he ever expressed an opinion of that specific book, which I have not read.  (By the way, I myself noticed that elsewhere, Ellul repeatedly acknowledged that Reichsminister Dr. Goebbels used only the truth in his propaganda—but then, tried to make it seem that that awful Nazi had evil motives for being so very truthful.  It is not the first time that I have mentioned this sort of thing here.  Dr. Goebbels did not lie.)

    I think it’s worth considering that he may have been in the employ of the US government all along.

    Of course, I have thought of that.  (Just as I have pondered the allegation that there is no such thing as a “former” CIA agent, etc.)  Besides personal fascination, it is one reason why I have studied the man as intensely as I can with limited sources of information.  My conclusion is that he was definitely not pushing any secret USG agenda in his Liberty Bell era.  As for the 1960s, I speculate about how close he may have been with some of the old-line military intelligence officers—who were at that point being pushed out of power, so it does not really qualify as “USG” from this perspective.  The Ernie Lazar FOIA files have some letters to Hoover which indicate to me that he could not have been working for what he later called the Federal Bureau of Intimidation—although somewhere he claimed, I think credibly, to have been friends with some older-generation FBI agents.  (Also, CIA agents.)

    In reviewing all of this, it is necessary to understand that the U.S. government is not a monolithic entity—never was; still isn’t—and that in the time period hereby relevant, the old guard was being trashed in something that seems almost tantamount to a slow, quiet coup d’état.  I observe that my analysis, and the conclusions that I reached before I ever heard of The Unz Review, dovetail neatly with the information contained in “American Pravda: Secrets of Military Intelligence”.

    I generally avoid the paranoia of those who run away from these types of things.  I distrust the USG in the extreme, and I hate it with the fire of a thousand suns—but I also realize that it is made up of individuals, and that some of them are even good people, and that some of the people in that government are sometimes friends with good people.  That is just how real life works:  Messy and complicated.

    From a later generation, and contemplating a quite different personality, compare and contrast how Mr. Unz’s old friend Lt. Gen. Odom was essentially blacklisted by the establishment later in his life.  It is not the first time that I have drawn this parallel.

    ——————————

    I intend to blog about Oliverian topics extensively.  I will return to some of the points that you raised.

    On a personal note as to myself, I will observe that Professor Oliver is probably the only major figure on the American far right with whom I would have been entirely comfortable discussing my own ideas.  His dispassionate objectivity was almost perfect—almost impossible, for a human being.  For example, I do not and cannot know whether or not he would have agreed with what I said earlier in the next thread—but if I could speak to him, I would be confident that he and I could discuss the issue, as long as he believed I was (1) sincere and (2) not stupid.

    After his experience with Robert the Welcher, he was fiercely protective of his independence; and he avoided joining political organizations, although he was friendly with some organizations and activists.  He made this clear in the pages of Liberty Bell, for which he wrote because the publisher had promised him free speech with no editing.

    I am also independent.  Including independent of him, although I acknowledge mein Großprofessor as one of my greatest influences.

    Within the past few days, I wrote several long comments addressed to you and C.T. about what I have hereby said about myself, and more (including my Nietzschean view of morality); I set them aside.  I will elaborate on some of what those comments said, in future blog posts. ®

  10. @Dr. Robert Morgan

    No one man has all the answers,or has covered all the angles. I learned about Professor Oliver through the writings of Pierce and Kevin Strom, who admired him greatly. Your assertions that technology makes the culture is only true in part. If anything, technology only influences the mass culture, while genetics has the most influence over the overall culture. For example, American blacks have been directly influenced by white culture and technology for 300 years, but have only adopted parts of it and modified it to suit their own needs, but still are completely different from whites in every way. If their genetics weren’t so different from whites, they would’ve blended in and become part of white society, but their genetics are so different, that they live in a completely different society within a society.

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  11. Raches says: • Website
    @Joe Paluka

    This is another one of the reasons why I so admire the German National Socialists:  They were both anti-modern and anti-primitive.  So am I.

    When I look at how the West is ruining itself with technology, I tend to sympathize with Kaczynski.  Much to their own horror, even famous technologists and technocrats have needed to grapple with some of the issues that Kaczynski raised.

    Then, I turn and look at the historical example of the Germans.  They did not merely react against modernity.  They were radical.  And they were actively building a modern, high-tech society that fundamentally rejected the modern Weltanschauung.

    At the threshold, they proved that such a thing is possible—in reality, not in theory, not as a matter of handwaving.  I dearly wish that I had been able to observe empirically how their experiment would turn out, after at least three to six generations (a usual short-term time span for such observations).

    Their model cannot be copied by rote into other cultures, any more than the culture of ancient Greeks can be transplanted out of context to the present amongst other peoples.  Hitler would have agreed.  German National Socialism was German in character, and was intended to be.  Later, he broadened it to be more generally applicable to Europeans of that era; but it still cannot be blindly copied and pasted from Europe circa 1942 to, say, California today.  However, some of the most important principles can be studied and applied elsewhere—just as, mutatis mutandis, we should learn from the Greeks and the Romans.  (This is the jumping-off point for another one of my theses, which will be the subject of many future blog posts.)

    [To Dr. Morgan:]  Your assertions that technology makes the culture is only true in part.  If anything, technology only influences the mass culture, while genetics has the most influence over the overall culture.

    Genetics definitely influence how species adapt to the presence of technology—whether or not they are the creators of it.  A deer that freezes in the headlights of an oncoming car is genetically ill-adapted to changes in its environment—sad though that is, it is a fact.  Aryans created modern technology; some of them have responded well to their own creation, and others have responded disastrously.  The civilized races of the East handily mastered imported modern technology; the best of them really made it their own, and set about improving it; but it has also been not without ill effects on them, which are entwined with war politics, global economics, and poisonous cultural influence from America, which America has sometimes forcibly rammed down their throats:  Christianity, feminism, and democracy.

    For example, American blacks have been directly influenced by white culture and technology for 300 years, but have only adopted parts of it and modified it to suit their own needs, but still are completely different from whites in every way.

    Let us also not forget that American “blacks” are, for the most part, partially white.  In Africa, the situation is even worse. ®

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  12. Joe Paluka: “Your assertions that technology makes the culture is only true in part. ”

    I didn’t write that it “makes” culture. I wrote that it drives it, which it does. Technological “advances” always have unintended consequences, frequently disastrous and sometimes catastrophic. To these, men are forced to react.

    Joe Paluka: “If anything, technology only influences the mass culture, while genetics has the most influence over the overall culture. For example, American blacks have been directly influenced by white culture and technology for 300 years, but have only adopted parts of it and modified it to suit their own needs, but still are completely different from whites in every way.”

    The negro problem in America wouldn’t exist at all except that the transportation techniques to bring them over from Africa were invented, and there was at that time an economic need for a malaria-resistant cheap labor force. Genetics influences culture, true, but given human lustfulness, the mere presence of negroes has also influenced genetics. As Raches mentioned, the average North American negro is now part white (by about 20%). The continent’s white race is also being mixed with non-whites of various races at a constantly accelerating pace, and this is more mixing that would not have happened without the technology to bring them here. As the race degrades genetically, white culture inevitably degrades along with it. If allowed to continue, it takes no great imagination to see where it’s all headed. A global society of racial mongrels of various descriptions is being constructed. Barring a collapse of the entire system, the extinction of the white race will be an unintended consequence of technological “Progress”.

  13. In some areas of WW II technology, the Germans were ahead, but in other areas, they were far behind. They were behind in such areas as Atomic research, large Bomber aircraft, and they failed to develop proximity fuses which could be used in Anti Aircraft Artillery.

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  14. @Raches

    With all due respect … the Movement were the modernity;
    burned clean in the trenches, with the unconditional Will to hold nothing sacred –
    nothing except Life itself. The cut from Wilhelmine Germany was more radical
    than we can imagine.

    [ ] Denn wir sind Gesetz!
    Denn wir sind Gericht!
    Wir schauen der Stunde
    ins Angesicht!
    Wir sind
    der eherne Schritt der Zeit! [ ]

    Their forethinkers were the déclassés academics (Turchin´s “surplus elites”)
    who had been their officers in the Sturmtruppen and Freikorps.
    One interesting aspect of the rethinking of everything was a certain fluidity –
    an arbitraryness of outcome (though not in any postmodern/Feyerabend sense); there was little difference between Ernst Röhm
    and Otto Braun (Mao´s military advisor); though with some exceptions
    (e.g. Plievier) exposure to combat predisposed to the “right” (an observation not
    lost on them either).

    The national differences were telling also –
    the French could not return to la vie douce fast enough,
    and spared no expense for the Maginot (who had been a Sgt. at Verdun) line.
    The Russians were just confused and wanted to be left alone but were overrun
    by the “Latvian bayonets” (who hated Russians) and Petersburg Navy REMFs
    under (((ahem))) tutelage (who hated Russians) –
    all depressingly familiar.
    British and Americans were unfazed – untouched by war; but what was, once
    upon a time, a strength is now at the root of the rot.

    There will be no replay – not before the Crash 😉

  15. @Raches

    Thanks for the references. I needed a brain recharge and a quick glance over both books before replying. The chapter on Diesel looks fascinating; and you probably guessed that some of the stuff about technology, globalism, and “One World” will pique my interest, for better or for worse.

    Indeed. And while I’m at it, also check out the superb The Box: How the Shipping Container Made the World Smaller and the World Economy Bigger, an American development in substantial part prompted by the criminality of American longshoremen.

    I did not intend overly to emphasize German jet engines, although their advances in technology were superb. [The contemporaneous Harper’s article] would “under courtroom rules of evidence, would be called an ‘admission against interest’.”

    Americans also had some excellent technologists. So did the British.

    Here I have to say one of the biggest things to focus on is systems, something I think the Germans in preparing for and waging war Nazi era substantially failed at. For example, strictly limiting the number of truck designs built. Or for something where the Germans didn’t really compete, things with our huge Navy as a maritime non-continental power and our war with Japan. So we developed the ship born Combat Information Center (CIC, inspired by E.E. Doc Smith’s Lensman series), and a system of radar and analog computers to accurately aim 5/34 and 40mm AAA fire.

    And the proximity fuze name which could be mounted on the former’s five inch shells, and later due to secrecy concerns on land artillery which as Patton in the ETO for example attests was a massive game changer for land warfare. Being able to achieve precise air-bursts was hell on infantry, soft or topless vehicles, and perhaps less armored ones. Now we in the US employ them in our late 1970s M734 fuze for mortars as small as 60mm, and I know it’s been made small enough to fit 35-40mm AAA (a critical part of the corrupt several times over Sergeant York procurement debacle).

    That was a top down effort, but we also traditionally excel in bottom up ones, which gave us the only semi-automatic battle rifle universally fielded in WWII. The counterargument which I don’t entirely buy is the German creation of the category of assault rifles with the Sturmgewehr (StG) 44 which has it all: straight line recoil (barrel at same height as stock), and selective fire of a reduced size cartridge fed from large detachable box magazine.

    On a Nazi commission to get around Treaty of Versailles limitations they also created in 1934 the new concept of the General Purpose Machine Gun (GPMG; ask for details, TL;DR quick field replaceable barrel) and created in 1942 a version so advanced the Allies thought it signaled a steel shortage due to its superior stamped and spot welded construction. This superb design is still being used to this day, is one of the three great GPMGs of the world (FN and Soviet the others).

    Back to systems and requirements: both the British and Germans were working hard on radar, but the more pragmatic? British were able to field a very primitive variety by the time it was needed, the Chain Home system. That plus a system of spotters and a big CIC, and the anti-fighter Spitfire (perfected for manufacturing using split peas) what was slightly faster than Germany’s best allowed them to prosecute the Battle of Britain after the Battle of France had cost them a great many planes and men little to no purpose excepting Dunkirk.

    OK, at the other end, German radio communications were a apocalyptically bad, enough to lose the war failure. Karl Dönitz was generally an idiot, for example not arranging for his men to get together after missions and trade tips and lessons learned, and it wasn’t a good idea to let his son become a U-boat crewman, and his Kriegsmarine radio technology advisors were flatly wrong that HF/shortwave transmissions couldn’t be usefully tracked. Read the book on the most ill-fated U-boat in its own way, and at one point our direction finding had a better fix on its location than the text transmissions to HQ provided. And of course with the U.K. as a potential adversary, U-boats should have been a massive priority instead of for example the ill fated Bismark and Turpitz. How did Nazi Germany manage to arrange almost the same configuration of enemies that ended Imperial Germany?

    But worse, far worse was their two main encrypting systems, and the way they were used. The Enigma system was pretty good, but bad practices made it pretty easy to crack. The Lorenz was bad, and a single stupid use of it enabled the British to completely reverse engineer it. Which lead to the ASIC like Colossus vacuum tube computers which included a section that could run the cipher at electronic speed. Hitler also made a catastrophic mistake in implicitly trusting the Japanese Purple diplomatic code, his discussions with the Japanese ambassador General Hiroshi Oshima gave us a direct view into his mind, mindset, and many plans.

    That said, when I look at the history of the sciences, I am amazed by the extremely high concentration of scientists of the first rank in Germany in the nineteenth through mid-twentieth centuries. Proportionately relative to population, it does make one tend to regard the Germans as a nation of nigh Supermen (in music, also, and some other aspects of high culture).

    Agree on all points, and note without the (((Haber)))-Boch process for fixing nitrogen, the development of which was also helped by a British chemist working with Haber, besides its use for fertilizer (now being crimped by the Green’s attack on fossil fuels, it normally uses natural gas as a source of hydrogen) was an absolute requirement for Germany’s prosecution of WWI, the Royal Navy’s blockade cutting off the Central powers from Chile’s sodium nitrate supply. And echoing your point, this Boch founded IG Farben between the wars, the Boch you’ve heard of came from his spark-plug pioneering uncle Robert.

    And when I contemplate these American descriptions of the knowledge ransacked by the Americans at the conclusion of WWII, I cannot help but wonder and speculate about where the overall American economy would be today, without stolen knowledge. I think that this is an important subject for research by competent historical revisionists.

    I seriously doubt it would have made a big difference. Yes, the Germans were ahead of us in various areas, just as we were ahead of them in others. I imagine it would have provided a blip, although I’m not sure how much for the civilian economy for very long. Will be happy to help you do this analysis, history is my big “humanities” field and that includes the history of science and technology.

    I have seen some indications that perhaps, German industrial chemistry may be a good starting area for that research.

    Be very careful here, we in the US were and are also very good at this, with MIT being a leading force in it, albeit inspired from the beginning by German methods. In WWII in addition to of course mass manufacture of explosives and refining of oil, see the Manhattan Project Hanford plutonium processing, and our manufacturing penicillin in bulk.

    By the by, in the other thread, you said something about you and MIT. If I may ask … East or West?

    If I understand your question, “West,” have not hidden that I’m a product of US Red state flyover country, a typical American mongrel of several inside the Hajnal line bloodlines. But the single most important for my intelligence and memory set of genes is straight from Germany from my Pennsylvania Dutch (a corruption of deutsch) ancestors.

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  16. @Jon Halpenny

    One of the biggest failure of Germany and Japan during WWII was aircraft procurement (and for Japan naval aviation pilots, they simply didn’t adjust up to peer war and a wartime temo). Hitler putting Göring, who he said wasn’t competent to conduct a military review or the like, in charge of the Luftwaffe was a … mistake. I’ve read without chasing it down that Willy Messerschmitt and another top designer were at daggers drawn during the war, although looking at Wikipedia just now maybe that was referring to procurement officer Erhard Milch reporting to Göring, who lost a close friend in the crash of a plane designed by Messerschmitt.

    Milch, probably a half-Jew, like his superior was a stupid man who used his position to settle prior grudges, trying against Messerschmitt who at least partly outmaneuvered him, and I’m not sure I trust Wikipedia on Hugo Junkers. Says Junkers refused to help with Nazi rearmament; from vague memory of I also don’t trust of Marxist “economist” Adam Tooze and his The Wages of Destruction, he got the literal rubber hose treatment, his factories didn’t perform well after the government takeover (Tooza says the Luftwaffe sucked at directly running at least two other major things, aircraft and aluminum factories??), and back to Wikipedia he died under house arrest in 1935. Perhaps a softer touch would have worked better??

    One obvious issue, which I ought to investigate more thoroughly in terms of normalized power outputs (what you can do at one altitude is not the same at another), was their failure to make reliable significantly higher power engines. Looks like the BMW 801 was their best, a radial that topped out at a respectable 1,973 hp (2,000 PS, 1,471 kW). See by comparison the inline Daimler-Benz DB 606 A/B, which was two DB 60i’s working in tandem, the DB 601 topped out at 1,430.2 hp, (1,450 PS, 1,066.5 kW).

    Compare to the inline Packard V-1650 Merlin, a licensed version of the famed Rolls-Royce Merlin, that one topped out a 1,315 hp (981 kW) for the P-51D Mustang, one of our best anti-fighter airplanes, but radials is where we excelled. For example the Pratt & Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp which powered the P-47 Thunderbolt/Jug which being more durable than the Mustang in part swapped intended roles and excelled in ground attack, for that it delivered 2,000 hp (1,500 kW), and got up to 2,800 hp (2,100 kW).

    Our B-29 project, which cost more than the Manhattan project and delivered the latter’s payloads, used four Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclones which delivered 2,200 hp (1,600 kW) each and topped out at 3,800 shp (2,830 kW). We continued to use that engine through the Vietnam war in the A-1 Skyraider ground attack plane at 2,700 hp (2,000 kW).

    I’ll leave off Japanese procurement in detail for perhaps another comment or topic, but its Mitsubishi A6M Zero started with a Nakajima Sakae 12 delivering 700 kW (940 hp); this “worked” for some value of that, see above and below the pilots issue, without armor or self-sealing fuel tanks, and was upengined to a Nakajima Sakae 21 840 kW (1,130 hp). This I would score as an indigenous set of engines, started from a British Bristol Jupiter, an early radial engine licensed by the Japanese in 1925, per Wikipedia “was widely used on many aircraft designs during the 1920s and 1930s” with thousands built. There was quite a long path from that 9 cylinder single row radial to the Zero’s 14 cylinders twin row one.

    Compare to the shorter ranged and less maneuverable Wildcat, weighted down with those above plane and pilot protections (a difference in pre-war procurement policies key to early Japanese success but, again, literally fatal in the long term), and much better tactics (see how often anime shows planes flying in a three of them V formation) which was able to outfight the Zero.

    It largely used the Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp which also powered the B-24 Liberator and Douglas DC-3, same layout as the Nakajima Sakae but the pre-Midway 76 version delivered 1,200 hp (890 kW) and after that … not sure it matters, with the added weight of folding wings and six instead of four guns it didn’t perform as well. But then we get to the Hellcat and Corsair which used the same monster 2,000 hp (1,500 kW) radial as the P-47….

    One other general procurement issue: just designing and putting into operation small numbers of something ostensibly superior is not necessarily war winning if you don’t work out the early bugs prior to fielding, don’t include manuals for those who use and maintain them (for tanks starts with the same crew), etc. And of course don’t produce zillions of them.

  17. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “Regrettably, he never perceived the link between the technology of an age and its culture, and so he naively thought that you could somehow mix modern technology with the character and human qualities of bygone eras.”

    As I mentioned before, this point of yours reeks of classical Marxism. Reality clearly disproves such a stance – Christianity was born in a previous era from now, as far removed from ours as antiquity was from the horse lords of Mitanni. It was well-suited for the breaking down of the Roman emperor and ancestor veneration, substituting them both for worshipping the crucified rabbi. True, then it almost miraculously survived the advent of the Germanic conquerors, yet it was never extinguished, slumbering for centuries, subverting the morality slowly, turning the Anglo-Saxons into Jews, spilling Frankish blood in Palestine, only to resurface under favourable conditions in the Age of Exploration, crossing the Iberians with the savages, turning their empires to dust. The latest, Industrial, Age, is but another good opportunity for the Jew-wraith – and another challenge to the remaining Aryans.

    Economic relations are but a factor in the formation of culture, there are others – geography, race, and individual genius. It is the concert of all four that makes a nation – a cultural cathedral based in blood and soil, steeped in history, led by a prophet.

    And even if you look upon the modern world, there is plenty of resistance mounted against the hyper-Christian transvestite values. And wherever they have triumphed is where the American culture explicitly took over – such as in the lands of Russia, or in occupied Formosa, or amongst the Jews. Meanwhile, with Western power increasingly waning, its advancements are retracting likewise – so have the Turks stopped drinking alcohol, and the veil has returned upon the face of the Algerian woman.

    I fail to understand how you can make out a general universalist predestination in the stormy seas of history. The technology of connection has been going hand-in-hand with the machines of death. Hitler may have lost, and the entire Aryan race subsumed by the Holy Ghost, but there are other lands, other races, other futures. The orchard will be destroyed in the coming collapse, and the vegetation will return, as wild as ever.

    > “He would have been 34 years old in 1942.”

    Why doesn’t it cross your mind that Oliver might have seen the Pacific War as a racial fight against the Mongoloids under the Japanese? The cuckoldry in 1945 and later was so astronomical, I can hardly fault him for not having foreseen it. (Although the case of the Philippines should have been telling even then.)

    P.S. I appreciate Oliver already for that he wrote homines sapientes, in the Latin plural.

  18. Adûnâi: “Reality clearly disproves such a stance – Christianity was born in a previous era from now, as far removed from ours as antiquity was from the horse lords of Mitanni.”

    No, it doesn’t. As I’ve repeatedly explained, Christianity conquered the Roman Empire because it was a more efficient tool of crowd (self-)management than what existed before, and it will continue to be used until a more efficient tool is found. This is where my idea of human societies as self-organizing collective intelligences comes in.

    Adûnâi: “The latest, Industrial, Age, is but another good opportunity for the Jew-wraith – and another challenge to the remaining Aryans.”

    Christianity only has as much power as white people voluntarily give it, just as the Jews only have as much power as white people permit. Race mixing is the result of natural human lust plus opportunity, nothing more. It’s not a conspiracy; not the workings of a “Jew-wraith”.

    Adûnâi: “I fail to understand how you can make out a general universalist predestination in the stormy seas of history.”

    You fail to understand it, even though I just told you why I think so? Perhaps you should read my comment again.

    Adûnâi: “The orchard will be destroyed in the coming collapse, and the vegetation will return, as wild as ever.”

    Let’s hope so.

    Adûnâi: “Why doesn’t it cross your mind that Oliver might have seen the Pacific War as a racial fight against the Mongoloids under the Japanese?”

    I’m not aware of any evidence he did, at least in 1942. Do you have some?

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  19. Raches says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Christianity only has as much power as white people voluntarily give it, just as the Jews only have as much power as white people permit.

    This.  The Jews would have nothing if Aryans had not essentially built for them a global empire, equipped them with unopposable technology, and then meekly begged to be given a status lower than Congoid brutes—the logical result of choosing to worship a Jewish god, a Jewish “savior”, and Jewish pseudohistorical fiction novels.  This must stop; and much as I condemn the Jews, I must also condemn those who made the Jews powerful.  Compare and contrast:

    https://www.unz.com/proems/hello-world/#p_1_12

    I am not an advocate of the notion of Aryan racial superiority:  To the contrary, I am that race’s harshest critic.  For whatever reason, I seek to salvage some remnant of the race which murdered and enslaved the best of its own kind, abdicated its empires, and, to the detriment of all others, gave away its global supremacy to the Jews.  The Jews would have nothing today, if Aryans had not anointed them as the masters of the Earth; and for that, Aryans cannot escape responsibility.  Moreover, Aryans are the only race so low, so submissive, so despicable as eagerly to invite others to eat and excrete on themselves and their children.

    Call it a combination of tough love and a realistic assessment.  Professor Oliver made some similar remarks, but I take this (as all else) to an extreme.

    My attitude towards men is not dissimilar—as informed by Ludovici, but taking it much further.

    One of the reasons why I am at The Unz Review is that on this point and others, I have the intellectual freedom to move in bold new directions for the greater good, instead of being straitjacketed by the same old groupthink.  I have many controversial things to say.  Much of it is original to me.  Those who are objective will consider my arguments on the merits, and agree or disagree accordingly.  I see some intelligent, thoughtful people here—much more than usual on the Internet.  Those whose glands are too easily exercised can get lost; I do not care about their opinions.

    Adûnâi: “Why doesn’t it cross your mind that Oliver might have seen the Pacific War as a racial fight against the Mongoloids under the Japanese?”

    I’m not aware of any evidence he did, at least in 1942. Do you have some?

    From his own telling of events, as developed through both America’s Decline and his Liberty Bell articles, this is actually correct—although it is only a small part of a complicated story.  He did have a longtime racial animus towards the Japanese, which changed during the 1980s; he then developed towards the Japanese a considerable respect, which he put in his racialist, anti-Jewish terms as always.  I think that it could not have been coincidental that this was when he was actively advocating historical correctness and justice for the friends of the Japanese, the National-Socialist Germans.  See:  Hitler makes nondestructive, non-“multicultural” peace between the civilized nations and races.

    ——————————

    I will try to expand more on this.  Also, I need to complete my reply in this thread to TWBT; I need to follow up with Yevardian elsewhere; and I need to catch up on the discussion involving you and C.T. in the other thread. ®

  20. Raches: “He did have a longtime racial animus towards the Japanese, which changed during the 1980s …”

    If so, there’s no trace of it in his later work. Despite its title, his tract “The Yellow Peril” (Liberty Bell, 1983) is actually a paean to the Japanese. He’s irrepressible in his enthusiasm for them, e.g.:

    The term “honorary Aryan” recognized a similarity that is moral no less than intellectual. Whatever the racial explanation, and despite the great genetic differences, the Japanese are the alien people whose moral qualities most surely command our esteem.

    In another pamphlet titled “No Escape”, published by Liberty Bell in 1988, he wrote:

    The present influx of Chinese and Japanese, who are buying up large parts of the United States and Canada, is, of course, an entirely different phenomenon. They belong to a highly intelligent and civilized race, and they, of course, feel only contempt for the Aryan idiots who have, in effect, given away their property by sabotaging their own industrial capacity; they will not debase their own blood by marrying Aryan fools.

    Of course, both of these quotes are from much later than 1942. But I’m unable to find any evidence of his deep-seated aversion to them at any time, and I would be surprised if it exists, because people usually form their racial opinions early and don’t typically change their opinions so radically. In my own case, for example, I remember seeing my first Jew when I was only about 10 years old, and it was like a dog seeing his first cat. Instant hate! Same way with negroes. I recall being reprimanded by my (white!) teachers for making fun of them, an inclination which manifested early. I ask you, what’s the world coming to when you can’t even laugh at negroes? LOL.

    In a fawning letter to J. Edgar Hoover, dated 18 April, 1958, Oliver says he held the highest level of security clearance during the years of his government service. In this letter, he essentially volunteers to become a spy for the FBI, a deep-cover agent on the lookout for Communist infiltration. That might be “patriotic”, according to some definitions of the word, but it doesn’t show the attitude one might expect from someone who claimed to hold the federal government in contempt as an organization run by Jews. On the contrary, if anything, it shows the reverse. Oliver was always a man with the only the greatest respect for “law and order”, which is another thing that has hamstrung the racial right all these many years, perhaps partly due to his influence. This idea, so common on the right, that the police are wonderful folks who are really on our side has been disproved over and over again, as so many have found out to their extreme misfortune. It’s too bad that Oliver, for all his genius, was unable to understand this. The blue scum are only enforcers for the regime, nothing more. If it were up to me, I’d liquidate all of them.

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  21. @That Would Be Telling

    Germany did have a proximity fuse. It wasn’t as good as the American one. I never saw any reference to native British ones, but considering how adept the English were at anything radar related, I’d not be surprised if they had one in the can or on the boards. Japan went all in on using the idea of gigantic shotgun shells as an AA defense for their ships, which had always been woefully inadequate.

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  22. Raches says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Thanks adding the references and quotes to this discussion.  That is exactly what I meant by “changed during the 1980s”; I hope that I was not misunderstood.  I didn’t specifically mention The Yellow Peril, because that would necessitate explaining as you did that it praised the Japanese, and looking back to it for a quote as you did. ®

  23. @Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg

    Germany did have a proximity fuse. It wasn’t as good as the American one.

    Per Wikipedia, bad enough or whatever that they didn’t field any:

    In Germany, more than 30 (perhaps as many as 50) different proximity fuze designs were developed, or researched, for anti-aircraft use, but none saw service. These included acoustic fuzes triggered by engine sound, one based on electrostatic fields developed by Rheinmetall Borsig, and radio fuzes. In mid-November 1939, a German neon lamp tube and a design of a prototype proximity fuze based on capacitive effects was received by British Intelligence as part of the Oslo Report.

    Its an obvious concept, but reducing it to practice is hard, especially with vacuum tube electronics and the severe shocks of fired. Including the spin induced by rifling, both of which for the American version(s) was used to break an ampule of sulfuric acid solution and push it into battery plates at the perimeter of the fuze.

    But this misses my major point, that of systems. While not needed for land bombardment use, the whole system of ship borne radar tied to (analog) computers was necessary to get shells with this fuze close enough to targets for it to work, to be in the range of the splinters the shell made upon detonating. The same is true for land based AAA, except you don’t have a ship to carry around a huge and heavy computer or set of them, something considered to be so vital the Cleveland-class light cruiser design sacrificed one of the five main turrets that were in its predecessor class.

    Now, I haven’t thoroughly studied what any side did with fire control for their heavy radar directed land based AAA, but it was pretty vital for the Nazis to create the whole package, and per Wikipedia they failed with the fuze.

    Based on number of data points which don’t include this one except as an American example of getting it right on ships, I perceive a lot of Nazi failings when it came time to link things together into “systems.” Or view logistics as a system” the Battle of France “sickle cut” through the Ardennes required moving a great many vehicles through that relative rough land with only so many road which they succeeded at, whereas Eastern Front logistics were a colossal mess. Per the first book I’ve read on the topic and recently, they did for example have winter clothing available in the theater, it just didn’t in a lot of cases get transported all the way to the front in time.

    Or view the army, here I refer to the entire Heer, needed to husband its expenditure of men especially starting with Operation Barbarossa. The pool who could work at home for food all the way to industry was very finite, and too many men were squandered in various ways, especially in the period before and as the cold set in when Hitler insisted on pushing forward at all costs. Although you can blame Hitler and his deteriorating relationship with generals who might say some sense about what was going to happen, and what was happening as things steadily went sour. A lot of them on the front got relieved of duty, the book claims in a few cases because they posed a threat of getting too much prestige compared to Hitler.

    (And long before someone should have realized artillery officers, plentiful in part because it was a less hazardous WWI specialty before counterbattery fire got good, intelligent because of the requirements of the discipline, were absolutely the wrong sort of people to fill for example positions in the General Staff because of their inherent conservatism arising from the prime imperative of protecting their guns. But see us making the same mistake with Westmoreland in Vietnam.)

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  24. Adûnâi says: • Website
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    > “As I’ve repeatedly explained, Christianity conquered the Roman Empire because it was a more efficient tool of crowd (self-)management than what existed before…”

    It was more efficient at spreading compared to other memes, and considering the given emperors. But better at governing? It is a historical fact that…
    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/147470491000800306

    Nonetheless, when Rome faltered in the fifth century it did so as never before. Earlier, the third century had seen a similar crisis: civil war, foreign invasion, return of brigandage, and steep economic decline. Yet Rome fought its way back and reasserted its authority. There was no such response in the fifth century. Instead, the crisis was met with a strange mixture of complacency and willful naiveté.

    We cannot understand this change without considering the ideology that now shaped the Roman worldview, i.e., all humans share the same potential for peaceful and submissive behavior. This was largely true among the pacified populations inside the empire’s borders. Outside, it was largely false. Tragically so.

    When Rome fell in 410, its intellectual élite was preoccupied by proving how raped virgins remain virgin (St. Augustine – The City of God; there was an eloquent quote on Chechar’s website, iirc, cannot find it).

    > “Race mixing is the result of natural human lust plus opportunity, nothing more.”

    I used “Jew-wraith” to designate the incorporeal Jew in the heaven of the Christian meme. But I do agree that historical conditions helped – Christianity survived at all largely on the basis of Roman préstige. The stupid Germanics and the Slavs were blinded by nouveau riche greed, they largely ignored the arcane intricacies of the Jewish theology.

    > “I’m not aware of any evidence he did, at least in 1942.”

    It was quite obvious to everyone to frame the Pacific war as a racial struggle to defend the Australian settlers from a Japanese genocide. And it’s quite amazing how neo-Nazis ignore this explicitly anti-Nordic part of Hitlerian policy. What is problematic is that that war ended in 1945 in the fraternisation with the Japs.

    > “They belong to a highly intelligent and civilized race, and they, of course, feel only contempt for the Aryan idiots who have, in effect, given away their property by sabotaging their own industrial capacity; they will not debase their own blood by marrying Aryan fools.” (© Revilo Oliver)

    This reminds me of the typical cucked idealist attitude (cf. Savitri Devi). Of course, a good foreigner is a weak foreigner… On another note, it is my impression that most immigrant Mongoloids are Christian traitors to their own race.

  25. The proximity fuse proved to be one of the most useful weapon developments of WW II. It enabled the US Navy to cope with the huge Kamikaze attacks late in the war, and British AA was able to shoot down large numbers of V-1 flying bombs. The Americans also used proximity fuses in ground artillery, to give air burst barrages which massacred German infantry.

  26. Adûnâi: “When Rome fell in 410 …”

    The Visigoths who sacked Rome in 410 had already been partially Christianized in the previous century. It might be more useful to speak of a Christian takeover of the Empire rather than a fall. The Church endured and even became stronger after the government fell. Thus, the so-called barbarians adopted not only Roman military technology, but Rome’s social technology as well. In the end, who really conquered whom?

    Adûnâi: “It was quite obvious to everyone to frame the Pacific war as a racial struggle to defend the Australian settlers from a Japanese genocide. ”

    I asked you for evidence for your assertion that Oliver hated the Japanese, and you haven’t provided any. But anyway, Oliver’s feelings about the Japs in 1942 are more or less irrelevant, since according to the job description in his personnel file he worked for the War Department as a translator, and he didn’t know Japanese. We can therefore deduce that his efforts during the war must have been concentrated solely on defeating the Germans. This endeavor, which it appears he voluntarily undertook, seems incompatible with a deeply held belief in white racial superiority.

    It also still leaves open the question of when and under what circumstances he had his racist epiphany, if he did. It looks like it wasn’t even in full swing by 1958, since that year still found him trying to ingratiate himself with the FBI. Personally, I’d be skeptical of anyone who ever at any time thought of J. Edgar Hoover as a friend. One might think this suspicion would have been shared by Dr. Pierce, given the FBI’s prominent role in suppressing white racism during the 60s, and in destroying the KKK. But, for whatever reason, it appears that Pierce trusted Oliver. Was it a mistake? It doesn’t seem to me that there’s enough evidence either way to say for sure. The only thing that’s indisputable is that the record of the racial right in America has been one of utter failure, and that often, this has been due to infiltration by agents of America’s secret police.

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  27. Americans secretly fear that the Nazis really are The Master Race!

  28. Raches says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    Apologies for the delayed reply.  Brief note for now, to say—thanks for the information.  I began to write a much longer reply a few days ago, but I will leave it at this for the moment, by way of acknowledgment and clarification:

    By the by, in the other thread, you said something about you and MIT. If I may ask … East or West?

    If I understand your question,

    I meant East or West Campus.  But I don’t mean to pry; and I especially do not intend to interrogate you for any details about where you live now!

    I respect MIT.  Although I think that like everything else, they are going downhill.  I heard that Abelson and/or Sussman approved of moving Course 6 from Scheme to Python (over a decade ago now), though I don’t know the details beyond that some scary-smart East Campus alums hated the change; don’t take that as gold.  The old Scheme-based curriculum was the rigorous education in that field that I wish I had; overall, it would have made me much superior to what I am today. ®

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  29. @Raches

    I meant East or West Campus.

    East campus; I mean, Lobdell (dining hall) was like a circle of hell, completely dark and modernist, and I was reminded of this every Sunday dinner when Walker was closed and I ate with some friends who lived in the western dorms (except for friends West campus didn’t really exist for East campus types a few hundred feet west of Mass Ave, there was almost nothing there. Should not need to explain how the Walker Memorial dining hall with its mural was infinitely better, quite literally civic vs. discivic, 1916 vs. 1968 (and of course they made a point of eventually shutting down the Walker dining hall).

    I respect MIT. Although I think that like everything else, they are going downhill. I heard that Abelson and/or Sussman approved of moving Course 6 from Scheme to Python (over a decade ago now)

    This became my career field after the science track was closed to me because of \$\$\$, and Sussman was at most superficially polite, and not at all if you read his words with any care, see his comment claiming the field had moved to bashing together libraries without understanding anything.

    Abelson was forever even more dedicated to teaching per se and made the best of the mess, which was forced upon Course 6 in the post dot.com crash which made it look like EECS could go the way AeroAstro had after the early 1970s, and that after blowing a cool quarter billion on a very dysfunctional new building for CS research and professors and grad students, while destroying an essential nursery for new things (Building 20). MIT is very short in real estate, and very corrupt and short sighted in allocating it.

    For decades Course 6 had a solid 40% of the undergraduate student body. Afterwords it dropped to below 16% and things really only turned the corner for it and Stanford after the 2008 financial crisis made a lot of other majors look worse.

    (U.C. Berkeley is of course a state school, and CMU has a firm cap of 135 last time I checked students/class, you have to apply separately for the major, and the only friend I have who got a MIT EECS degree who has a child following in his path sent her to CMU. So these are unlike MIT and I’m sure Stanford where once you’re in, the place will move heaven and earth to allow you to graduate in the major of your choice within four years, something schools that ration class slots don’t advertise about how it might take your five years or more to graduate, which when you add opportunity cost makes can make them not so much of an apparent bargain even before you factor in quality of education.)

    MIT has a firm policy of avoiding putting too many (semi-)permanent resources into a field for a long time because of how fields go hot and cold and sometimes just plain die (although that’s usually subfields, like analog computers and control systems, see what the Whirlwind computer came out of). So through that wild success phase Course 6 was teaching 40% of the students with only ~16% of the institute’s manpower, had to for example drop the introductory computer programming service course.

    SICP and Lisp had earned a lot of enemies over the years, Lisp was temporarily out of fashion, and Scheme was deliberately totally expunged from all the curriculum not taught by Sussman or in the January IAP where as much of SICP is/was? taught by oldsters. And in its panic MIT fundamentally changed what it meant to get a CS or EECS degree from it, from “rigorous education” as you put it, to on the “CS” side making gadgets and being adept at gluing together libraries with Java and Python. I mean, trying to teach any of SICP in Java is Not Even Wrong.

    The new core curriculum was if anything significantly harder, and, yes, “fun”robots to attract the diverse for the first course but requiring math beyond AP BC calculus you were expected to learn on the fly if you hadn’t already done so. Although it should be noted even before the big early 1980s curriculum reform that was totally Scheme except for the compiler and maybe software engineering course, the CS part of the department having grown out of the EE department had a core requiring a lot of hard work in both, an MIT degree from it meant you were expected not to freeze if you had to write some hard code or do some difficult debugging of hardware. Compare to CMU which grew out of its math department and still teaches real CS, even more hard core than MIT ever way on up to formal teaching of functional programming which MIT has at last count almost totally abandoned in the required curriculum. And that just as Dennard scaling ended also ended faster CPU clock cycles, requiring multiple cores for a whole bunch of things.

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  30. Raches says: • Website
    @That Would Be Telling

    Oh, dear.  I knew that your biological science knowledge far exceeded mine, but I thought I would be able to show off to you with computers.  Not so.  You could beat me bloody with hardcore CS.  I can tell, just from this meta-discussion—that is telling.  (As an observer of human nature, I often ask these types of side questions for this reason.)

    Don’t tell me that you have a special interest in applied cryptography…

    I invited this entirely tangential diversion, and I want to frame this one and hang it on my wall.  Done.  With due apologies to everyone who has no idea what all this is about—it is delves into some obscure matters, with a subtle flow of details that could not be easily constructed by searching the Web or reading some books.  It could not be easily faked—not that I thought you were, but it bears pointing out (to all the conspiracy theorists who will not understand even a word of this—whatever). ®

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  31. @Raches

    Oh, dear. I knew that your biological science knowledge far exceeded mine, but I thought I would be able to show off to you with computers. Not so. You could beat me bloody with hardcore CS.

    Or computer programming, I’m not into theoretical CS beyond the very most basics, would in fact have to refresh my memory on NP-complete et. al. Here I had the advantage of being able in 1970s high school to start learning programming a year after my biology work got really intense—and the latter was then on hold for over two years. Don’t worry, you can run circles around me on “Nietzsche and Nazis.”

    I can tell, just from this meta-discussion—that is telling. (As an observer of human nature, I often ask these types of side questions for this reason.)

    Don’t tell me that you have a special interest in applied cryptography…

    Not any more, just think I know enough to do it correctly. Protocols in using proven, high quality crypto algorithms are always much more fragile than the algorithms, what I was talking about being the biggest issue with the Enigma machine or so I’ve read.

    I invited this entirely tangential diversion, and I want to frame this one and hang it on my wall. Done. With due apologies to everyone who has no idea what all this is about—it is delves into some obscure matters, with a subtle flow of details that could not be easily constructed by searching the Web or reading some books. It could not be easily faked—not that I thought you were, but it bears pointing out (to all the conspiracy theorists who will not understand even a word of this—whatever). ®

    Suspected as such and included a lot of details since they make clear “I Was There.” Or sufficiently plugged in, had long left “the Massachusetts Miracle” by the time the dot.com bust happened and the Course 6 curriculum was trashed. And the conspiracy theorists literally have no idea.

    While I don’t know if this is Whig history, I’ve read that the deployed in the early 1980s programming core curriculum embedded in SICP plus the capstone microcoding course was groundbreaking in the field of CS education, prior to that including at MIT it was a lot more grab bag (note it was taught from a MIT AI Lab Technical Report and probably notes before then long before the first edition was published, got to work the bugs out).

    Thus the envy directed towards this intellectual artifact by lot of lesser men who could appreciate it as a towering achievement, Abelson and Sussman really care a lot about teaching and Sussman at least is absolutely brilliant (co-inventor of Scheme along with Guy Steele), and they got plenty of help, but the lessor men knew they could never duplicate it. Nor at most other schools could many of their students master it at that level. A lot of people cannot actually program, simply don’t have the combination of talents and determination that’s required for it, probably including by now most of the people on the earth who claim they can program.

    Plus the excuse SICP was too boring, the most non-intellectual excitement in the course using 6.001 course using it was graphing stuff on the screen, and thus claims that this first required foundational course prompted a lot of people to not to even try EECS as a major. Ludicrous after a decade of wild enrollment success, and the strong efforts put into discouraging freshman from trying it in the fall term (Officially requires more time than most courses), but there you have it.

    So people who’s names I’ve carefully not been told used the mess the dot.com crash created in MIT undergraduate education resource consumption and replaced SICP with robots and libraries of code you were never expected to look at let alone understand. Python wasn’t quite in its wild success phase prior to its V3 debacle, it was chosen because of those libraries…. Really, if this field is for you, SICP is the greatest stuff on earth, and it wouldn’t take any imagination at all to apply it to real world things like robots, assuming you had the skills those required.

    (Yes, I’m very bitter about all this and have a lot of company. This is my personal peak in CS which is not my strength like “real” science is, and it’s been cast into the garbage most everywhere.)

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  32. @That Would Be Telling

    Although you can blame Hitler and his deteriorating relationship with generals who might say some sense about what was going to happen, and what was happening as things steadily went sour. A lot of them on the front got relieved of duty, the book claims in a few cases because they posed a threat of getting too much prestige compared to Hitler.

    In a dictatorship lacking the divine right of kings, literally anyone could legitimately make himself the ruler, provided he can eliminate the incumbent and get the acquiescence of the security services. It is therefore key to retaining power for the ruler to knock off anyone who seems to be acquiring too much prestige, lest that prestige be used to accumulate supporters for a plot against him. Even titular kings who had the divine right of kings going for them did this kind of thing.

    Valentinian famously took out Aetius. Was Aetius plotting against him? Who knows? Whether his authority is divinely-sanctioned or otherwise, an absolute ruler can’t read minds. That’s especially true of the minds of courtiers who have survived any number of purges through a lifetime of dissimulation. For many rulers, the key question re their courtiers wasn’t their intentions, but their capabilities. Put yourself in Valentinian’s shoes. A courtier who can put himself on the throne at your expense is faced with serious temptation, especially in view of the fact that you, the ruler, could theoretically put him and his to death at any time. That’s a risk he gets to avoid if he strikes first and takes you out. Hence, Valentinian’s pre-emptiive strike against Aetius – the man was becoming powerful enough in his own right that he could replace Valentinian if he sought to do so.

  33. JM says:
    @S

    Profound. This and other similar events set the foundations of the modern catastrophe.

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