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Readers are asking for my take on the Israel-Gaza situation, and, believe it or not, Oxford University’s famous debating society, the Oxford Union, invited me to debate the issue.

I replied to the Oxford Union that I was unprepared to take responsibility for the Palestinians without undergoing the extensive preparation that an Oxford Union debate deserves and requires. Unless things have changed since my time at Oxford, one prevails in a Union debate by anticipating every argument of one’s opponent and smashing the arguments with humor and wit. Facts seldom, if ever, carry the day, and sometimes not even wit and humor if the audience is already committed to the outcome by the prevailing propaganda. There is no time or energy in my overfull schedule for such preparation plus time away and jet lag.

Moreover, I am not an expert on Israel’s conquest and occupation of Palestine. I know more than most people. I was rescued from Zionist propaganda by Israeli historians, such as Ilan Pappe, by Jewish intellectuals, such as Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein, by documentary film makers, such as John Pilger, by Israeli journalists such as Uri Avnery and the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, and by an Israeli houseguest who is an Israeli member of an Israeli peace group that opposes Israeli destruction of Palestinian homes, villages, and orchards in order to build apartment blocks for settlers.

There is only one take on the current Israeli slaughter of Palestinians, which Netanyahu, the demonic Israeli leader, declares will be a “protracted campaign” this time. We are witnessing yet again Israeli war crimes that are supported by the Great Moral West that is so concerned about the deaths of 290 passengers on MH-17 that they are about to drive the world to a major war, while Palestinian casualties pile up so fast that they are out of date by the time you put the numbers in a column. So far more than 1,200 deaths, with injuries to 2,000 children, 1,170 women, and 257 elderly.

Reading the Western Media, watching Western TV, and listening to Western radio, one is left with the propaganda that the Palestinians are to blame for the Israeli attack on Gaza, just as one is left with the propaganda that the Malaysian airliner deaths are Russia’s fault. There is no evidence, but propaganda does not require evidence. Just repetition.

The Gaza strip, a ghetto full of Palestinians evicted from their homes and villages in the West Bank, is one of the most densely populated areas on earth where life with scant resources is difficult. Israel is currently in the process of shrinking Gaza by 44 percent, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat, is preparing another “emergency” aid package consisting of US tax dollars to finance Israel’s slaughter and compression of Palestinian lives. (See: , , and

One would think that the Great Moral West would be discussing sanctions on Israel and on Washington’s stooge government in Kiev, which is bombing civilian homes, apartment complexes, and infrastructure in provinces where the people object to the Russophobic government installed by Washington in place of the one that they elected. But the Great Moral West only aids the perpetrators of death and destruction, not the victims.

Palestinians are being dispossessed and exterminated exactly as were the native American Indians. On occasion Israeli officials have said that they are only following America’s lead in clearing the land of undesirables. This is my take on what is one of the West’s great moral failings:

Israel Is Stealing and Murdering Its Way Through Palestine

Paul Craig Roberts

As Zionists have endeavored to teach the world for decades, Israel is not subject to criticism. Only Jew-haters, anti-semites, and people who want to gas Jews and boil them in oil criticize Israel. Israel is above criticism, because Israelis are God’s Chosen People and despite being God’s Chosen People suffered the Holocaust.

This means that the Israeli government, like the one in Washington, can do whatever it wants and remain above criticism.

Since the 1940s Zionists have been stealing Palestine from the Palestinians. The majority of Palestinians have been removed from their homes and their country. They exist in refugee camps in other countries and 1.5 million are concentrated in the Gaza Ghetto, which is blockaded by Israel on one end and by the Washington paid Egyptians on the other.

This makes it convenient for Israel from time to time to attack the civilian population and civilian infrastructure in Gaza with military force. So far in Israel’s latest war crime, Israel has murdered more than 1,200 Palestinians, largely women and children. You will seldom see the photos of the destruction in the American media, but RT provides a few glimpses.

Israel is always the aggressor but always takes the role of the victim. Palestinian women and children are all subhumans–”snakes” as one Israeli politician put it–who sneak into Israel through secret tunnels (whose existence is akin to Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction) wearing suicide bomb belts and blow up innocent Israelis along with themselves while Israelis sit in cafes peacefully discussing philosophical issues and the latest news. To stop this slaughter of innocent Israelis, Israel has to blow up Palestinian hospitals, schools, and civilian homes and apartment blocks.

These unmistakable war crimes, these crimes against humanity are all ignored by the great moral arbiters of the world–the Governments of the West who are shaking their fingers not at Israel but their fists at Russia.


Western governments ignore Israel’s war crimes but not all Western peoples comply with this neglect. Many thousands of demonstrators against Israel have been in the streets in South America, London, Paris, Germany, Dublin, and Israel’s own Tel Aviv. But don’t look for much reporting of these demonstrations in the American presstitute media.

The American presstitute media is focused on those who died in the downing of the Malaysian airliner in eastern Ukraine, in order to blame those 290 deaths on Russia. As far as the American presstitute media is concerned, the murder of 1,200 Palestinian deaths is not happening or if it is, the Palestinians deserve it for responding to Israel’s oppression by firing in frustration primitive rockets that seldom, if ever, hit their targets.

What is another 1,200 murdered Palestinians? Who cares? Not Washington or the British PM in Whitehall and certainly not the Israelis. As far as Israel and the Great Moral West is concerned, 1,200 murdered Palestinians amount to nothing. They are not even chafe in the wind.

The last time Israel attacked the civilians in Gaza, a distinguished Israeli jurist, himself a Zionist, prepared a case for the UN that Israel had committed war crimes. On Israel’s orders the craven but very obedient US Congress passed a resolution denouncing the distinguished jurist for defaming the pure and innocent Israeli government. The pressure from Washington and Israel on the jurist broke his commitment to truth, and he retracted his findings.

This is what the Israel Lobby and the craven American presstitute media do to everyone who criticizes Israel’s crimes against humanity and Washington’s protection of Israel’s crimes. Anytime you see a person attacked by the Israel Lobby, you know for certain that the person under attack is the salt of the earth. The distinctive mark of a moral human being is to be attacked by the Israel Lobby and the presstitute American media.

While Israel murders Palestinians in Gaza with attacks on hospitals, schools, and civilian apartment blocks, Washington and its puppets in Kiev attack civilians in apartment blocks in the former Russian provinces of Ukraine who object to Washington’s overthrow of the democratically elected government in Ukraine and Washington’s installation of a Russophobic Russian-hating government in its place.

Washington has declared those in Ukraine who object to Washington’s takeover of their country to be “terrorists” and is seeking legislation that will permit US troops legally to enter Ukraine to suppress the “terrorists.”

David Ward, a member of the British Parliament, who has the right as a British citizen and member of Parliament to express his opinion, said that if he lived in Gaza under Israeli oppression, he would likely fire a rocket into Israel.

The British media and government is yet to criticize Israel for its crimes, but instantly attacked Ward for his “vile comments.” A Conservative member of Parliament, Nadhim Zahawi wrote the Metropolitan Police demanding an investigation into Ward’s statement “as a matter of urgency.” The Conservative party chairman Grant Shapps declared Ward’s statement to be an “incitement to violence,” a felony. The craven Labour Party declared Ward’s opinion to be “so vile and irresponsible” that “it defied belief.”

The Liberal Democrats of which Ward is a member “utterly condemned” Ward’s remarks and declared that Ward would be subject to disciplinary hearings and may permanently be expelled from the party.

There you have it. A member of Parliament in the country that invented freedom of speech expresses an honest opinion, and he is dead meat. Ward’s harmless remarks killed no one. The Israelis with weapons supplied by Washington have, at this time of writing murdered more than 1,200 people. But it is Ward who must be restrained, not Israel. Ward’s remarks are declared “vile and irresponsible” but not Israel’s murder of 1,200 people.

The US and UK pretend to be countries that are not afraid of the truth, where there is free inquiry and freedom to express one’s views, but it is all a great lie.

The US and UK are the two greatest threats to free speech on the face of the earth. In the UK no truth contrary to the line is permissible. In the US people who speaks the truth is put on the Watch List.

How much longer will the governments of the rest of the world regard the US and UK as homes of free speech and uplifting Western morality?

In America the success of Israeli propaganda, never challenged of course by the US media, exceeds the success of Washington’s own propaganda. Most Americans believe that Palestinian women and children are outfitted with explosive suicide belts and that “the snakes,” as they are described by Israeli politicians, walk into Israeli cafes and blow everyone up including themselves.

The fact of the matter is that Palestinians cannot get into Israel. Gaza is blockaded as are the few remaining Palestinian settlements in the West Bank. Israel has stolen almost all of Palestine. The few Palestinian settlements still permitted to exist are cut off by a massive wall from Israel and from each other by barbed wire and check points, cut off from hospitals and schools, from water, and from their fields and olive groves, which are being destroyed to make room for settlers‘ apartment blocks.

People this hemmed in are helpless, and the extreme right-wing Israeli settlers are moving into the few remaining Palestinian settlements evicting the Palestinians from their properties with the aid of US-provided Caterpillar tractors especially designed for uprooting Palestinian olive groves and demolishing Palestinian houses, just like the Caterpillar tractor that the Israelis ran over US citizen Rachel Corrie, murdering this protesting US citizen in cold blood. Yes, you are correct, the Great Moral US government did nothing about it. Israel learned when it murdered the crew of the USS Liberty in 1967 that Israel had carte blanche from Washington to murder US citizens.

When you view the photos of Palestinians who have undergone an Israeli attack, what do you see? You see unarmed people crying, hugging dead children in their arms and one another. You never see a resolute armed people prepared to repel the next Israeli attack. You see devastated hospitals, schools, and apartment complexes and Palestinians in tears and no weapons.


What is striking about the success of Israeli propaganda is its success when all evidence is that Palestinians are pacifists, incapable of resistance. The bulk of the people in Gaza are refugees from the West Bank where their land and homes were stolen by the Great Democratic State of Israel. The Israeli destruction of Palestine has been going on for almost seven decades. And still Palestinians are not armed and have no effective military units.

After seven decades the Palestinian people remain unarmed. Hamas has a few ineffective weapons, but the people themselves are unarmed. Their response to the Israeli murders of their children, wives, husbands, brothers, sisters, parents, cousins, and friends is to cry. This is not the response of a warlike people.

In contrast, there are reports that Israeli civilians sit atop the hill overlooking Gaza on sofas that they bring along with their drinks and food and watch in glee, clapping and cheering as Israeli bombs destroy Palestinians in their homes, children in their schools, and the ill in hospitals. If this is the true face of “the only democracy in the Middle East,” it is the face of evil.

The view brainwashed into the West that Palestinians are a threat to Israel is absurd. If Palestinians are a threat and a danger to Israel, how is it possible that Palestinians are locked away into sealed ghettos in the remnants of their own country or into refugee camps in foreign countries?

As Israel’s most distinguished historian, Ilan Pappe, has related, the story of Israel is the story of “The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.” This story has been hidden by Western “moral” governments and by a corrupt Western media and “Christian” priests from Western populations that, possibly, would have objected, but who are now too brainwashed and disinformed to know.

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  1. syonredux says:

    PCR:”“The Western elites and governments are not merely totally corrupt, they are insane. As I have previously written, don’t expect to live much longer. ”

    MMM, since we are all going to die in a nuclear holocaust, why should anyone care about Gaza? Or are your prophecies of doom purely rhetorical in character?

  2. LA Dude says:

    When PCR reserves the epithet of “demonic leader” to describe Benjamin Netanyahu, he reveals with an elegant economy of words his shameful lack of historical (and moral) perspective. Sure, an estimated 170,000 Arabs have died in the current Syrian Civil War so far; Hafez Al-Assad mowed down an estimated 40,000 Syrians in the Hama Massacre; Saddam Hussein massacred an estimated 180,000 Kurds in the Al-Anfal Campaign; hundreds of thousands died in the Iran-Iraq war between Saddam and the Iranian Ayatollah; and on and on. Notwithstanding, Netanyahu deserves special condemnation from PCR. I guess, as the saying goes, “Jews make news.”

    Is PCR aware that Hamas, which rules Gaza, is part of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose ideology is based on the writings of the late Egyption intellectual Sayyid Qutb, mentor to Ayman Zawahiri?

    Netanyahu is effectively hunting down Islamists in Gaza who openly state that they seek to destroy Western Civilization. Are there no facts that will cause PCR to reconsider, or at least temper, his blame-Israel-first diatribes?

  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Great points by PCR. I’m sending this link to everyone I know.

  4. KA says:

    Lying is a 24/7 preoccupying profession of Zionist from the day they came up with the phrase ” numerical majority is less important than the collective memory of the Jews of belonging to the land of Israel in determining about the self rule ” by Brandeis of the Supreme Court justice in 1919 ,or earlier ,someone will argue that it goes back to the false narrative written and expounded on the Inquisition by the father of the current Israeli PM.
    The NY Times and Fox offer daily fealty to Israel and embrace the right and left wings of American politics .

    The archives of NYTimes from those periods paint a picture that is diametrically different from what has been told by NY Times and Wa Po or by WSJ or by CNN or by FOX or by AIPAC or JINSA regarding the nature of the conflicts of 1947 and 1948.
    We grew up hearing the myth of 7 or 5 Arab States attacked new born Israel,that Arabs refused UN plans,that world free of pressure or bribes welcomed Israel in UN and even the illusion that UN assembly vote was legal and binding. All of those are false.

    I will provide the links to the archives and quote an article partially


    Above links are easily accessible from
    search on key words 1947 NY Times 1948

    Arabs wanted a Federal State whose constitution would have been based on that of US. They proposed it to UN but it was not discussed for vote– VOTES PALESTINE PARTITION; MARGIN IS 33 TO 13; ARABS WALK OUT; ARANHA HAILS WORK AS SESSION ENDS

    Proposal Driven Through by U.S. and Soviet Will Set Up Two Sates
    Britain Holds Out Hand to It – Arabs Fail in Last-Minute Resort to Federal Plan

    The United Nations General Assembly approved yesterday a proposal to partition Palestine into two states, one Arab and the other Jewish, that are to become fully independent by Oct.1. The vote was 33 to 13 with two abstentions and one delegation, the Siamese, absent.

    The decision was primarily a result of the fact that the delegations of the United States and the Soviet Union, which were at loggerheads on every other important issue before the Assembly, stood together on partition. Andrei A. Gromyko and Herschel V. Johnson both urged the Assembly yesterday not to agree to further delay but to vote for partition at once.

    The Assembly disregarded last minute Arab efforts to effect a compromise. Although the votes of a dozen or more delegations see-sawed to the last, supporters of partition had two votes more than the required two-thirds majority, or a margin of three. ‘


    Vote on Principles Sought

    Camille Chamoun, the Lebanese representative, tried to meet Dr. Aranha’s ruling by demanding that the committee vote first on the eleven principles on the future government of Palestine, which had been approved unanimously by the Special Committee on Palestine last summer.

    Mr. Chamoun remarked that the resolution before the Assembly did not mention these principles, but Dr. Aranha replied that they were covered by the plan substituted by the Palestine committee, to which the Assembly’s resolution will give effect, and rejected the final Arab attempt to postpone a decision.

    Dr. Alfonso Lopez, the Colombian representative, who on Friday had submitted a complicated proposal that, among other things, would have returned the question to the committee, had arranged with another delegate to make a simple proposal to recommit. However, the delegate, sensing the mood of the Assembly, remained silent and Dr. Aranha called for the decisive vote.

    U.S. Efforts Praised


    It was expected that had the Assembly failed to reach a decision the United States would have asked Britain to stay on in Palestine. Sir Alexander’s statement after the decision was taken was welcomed as being more cooperative than previous ones. It was generally expected that the United States and Britain would now agree on a working arrangement to facilitate the commission’s work.


    A few minutes before the Assembly convened Arab spokesmen announced that they had drawn up a new six-point program in twenty-four hours of conferences. The program involved this formula:

    (1) A federal independent state of Palestine shall be created not later than Aug. 1, 1949.

    (2) The Government of Palestine shall be constituted on a federal basis and shall include a federal government and governments for Arab and Jewish countries.

    (3) Boundaries of the cantons will be fixed so as to include a federal basis and shall include a federal government and governments for Arab and Jewish countries.

    (4) The population of Palestine shall elect by universal, direct suffrage a Constituent Assembly, which shall draft the Constitution of the future federated state of Palestine. The Constituent Assembly shall be composed of all elements of the population in proportion to the number of their respective citizens.

    (5) The Constituent Assembly, in defining the attributes of the federated government of Palestine as well as of its legislative and judiciary organs and the attributes of the governments of the cantons and of the relation of the governments of these cantons with the federal government, shall draw its inspiration chiefly from the principles of the Constitution of the United States as well as from the organization of laws in the states of the United States.

    (6) The Constitution will provide, among other things, for protection of the holy places, liberty of access to visit the holy places and freedom of religion as well as safeguarding of the rights of religious establishments of all nationalities in Palestine. )

  5. KA says:

    The free hand Israel enjoys in Palestine is of recent origin after 911. The 911 changed slowly American concern for justice in Palestine and the ensuing wars and civil wars resulting from Iraq war weakened the force that could have generated a more effective diplomatic ,economic,and military reonses to the Zionist thugs .
    This is why the accusation that 911 was caused by Mossad as claimed by ex President of Italy , by German minister of intelligence ,and by figures in Blair government and by Alan Sorvosky of US Army College deserve continued study and explorations.
    The gulf war in 1991 and again in 2003 were seized by the Zio thugs like Wolfowitz as recounted by Presidential candidate Wesley Clark to unleash wars on Syria,Libya,Iraq,Somalia,and Iran and change the regime . The reason of doing that was to slowly expel Palestinians and destroy Oslo Peace process.

  6. KA says:

    ” take the right position on Israel,and you can raise 1/4 million,Senate candidate is advised”7/30/14
    This explains the American silence that in turn explains the butcher’s behaviors from Zionist hearts and minds .they have nothing to worry about.

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Angelic Netanyahu is saving Western Civilization from the Palestinian kids who hate our freedoms. Go Bibi! Go Bibi!

    • Replies: @LA Dude
  8. KA says:
    Samantha Power shed a lot of angry tears for non intervention in Rwanda. She is swallowing those tears while her country actively engages in racicide in Gaza ,colludes with Israel,diverts gaze away from genocidal scene ,and stands alone in supporting Israel while their Knesset members along with Rabbi wants to kill all the mothers,women,and girls of Gaza with the most moral army of the world.

    • Replies: @KA
  9. KA says:
    ” if you voted for Hamas,Israel has a right to kill you” The a rabbi again from NY

  10. KA says:

    Aylet Shaked Knsset member of Jewish Home Party
    on her Facebook

    “”Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

  11. LA Dude says:

    Mr. Stocktipz said:

    Angelic Netanyahu is saving Western Civilization from the Palestinian kids who hate our freedoms. Go Bibi! Go Bibi!

    Let’s analyze this comment for a moment using the tried and true compare-and-contrast method (by means of substitution): “[FDR] is saving Western Civilization from the [Imperial Japanese] kids who hate our freedoms. Go FDR! Go FDR!”

    And another attempt: “[Churchill] is saving Western Civilization from the [Third Reich German] kids who hate our freedoms. Go Churchill! Go Churchill!”

    Although no decent human ever wants children to suffer, your sarcastic comment implying malice by Netanyahu is obviously a straw man. Try again.

    • Replies: @Gilles
  12. KA says:

    Israel is killing its mother who gave birth to him illegitimately .
    It also destroyed its father whose name was British empire .
    Whether Paki or Yankee , wake up .

  13. Gilles says:
    @LA Dude

    By your examples, Yehuda’s sarcasm is substantiated to this non-interventionist.

    Mr. Stocktipz said:

    Angelic Netanyahu is saving Western Civilization from the Palestinian kids who hate our freedoms. Go Bibi! Go Bibi!

    Let’s analyze this comment for a moment using the tried and true compare-and-contrast method (by means of substitution): “[FDR] is saving Western Civilization from the [Imperial Japanese] kids who hate our freedoms. Go FDR! Go FDR!”

    Actually, that works quite well. FDR – and Wilson a generation prior – were monstrous warmongers willing to shed domestic blood and treasure over no US national interest.

    And another attempt: “[Churchill] is saving Western Civilization from the [Third Reich German] kids who hate our freedoms. Go Churchill! Go Churchill!”

    While the vile Third Reich did threaten Europe … chickens re-roosting from Treaty of Versaille… the UK, its empire and particularly Churchill were quite vile in of themselves.

    Poor juxtaposition on your part.


    • Replies: @LA Dude
  14. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Bill Blizzard and his Men"] says:

    Paul Craig Roberts and other Lefties ought to be very carefull claiming a precise analogy between the European Colonization of North American and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The analogy is used by White Lefitists to justifify the current and open deliberate Mega-CEO wage slave policy to race-replace The Historic Native Born White American Majority. The post-1965 highly racialized nonwhites will be the number one beneficiares of the extermination of the American Injun….tears from PCR and Noam Chomsky over the “Noble” American Injun are just crocodile tears when you think about it.

    Native Born White American Christians can pull the $$$$$$$$$$$ plug on the Jewish state of Israel at any point in time..if the will was there…game over.

    And since Noam Chomsky does not support the right of return for the indigenous Palestinian Population…he ought to stop his romanticizing of the American Injun..but he won’t..and he will stay out of debates with Higly Racialized Native Born White Americans such as myself…a debate he knows he can’t win.

    The Israeli-Palestinian issue comes down to this:it could have been resolved years ago with a two state solution. The Obstructionist have blocked this solution for years. And there are only two Obstructionist to what could have been a peacefull settlement..and they are as follows:Israel and the “US” Goverment.

    The “clever” debaters of the Oxford Union can always come over to Unz Review and debate us here…and have a long archived debate about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

  15. fnn says:

    And another attempt: “[Churchill] is saving Western Civilization from the [Third Reich German] kids who hate our freedoms. Go Churchill! Go Churchill!”

    Getting past the crusty old propaganda we’ve all heard non-stop since we were in the womb:

    Casual students of World War II history will recall the guarantees by Britain and France in favor of Poland against any foreign aggression (which turned out to mean aggression by Germany, but not aggression by the Soviets). Pat Buchanan, in his wonderful book “Churchill, Hitler, and The Unnecessary War: How Britain Lost Its Empire and the West Lost the World,” has described this guarantee by the British as one of the bigger blunders of diplomacy leading up to the war.

    It turns out that Roosevelt may have been behind the push to make the guarantees, as relayed by Herbert Hoover in his magnum opus, “Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath.” (There are even backstories to this backstory, as Poland apparently made no friends with its neighbors during the interwar years in any case, as documented by Gerd Schultze-Rhonof in his book “1939 – The War That Had Many Fathers.”)

    Clearly, political leaders in Poland have not learned from this history – the history offering a clear demonstration that a) a guarantee from western leaders is nothing more than a tool for western provocation and for western purposes, b) as a diplomatic strategy, cozying up to distant powers is not nearly as effective as making nice with neighbors, most importantly with Germany and Russia, and c) going out of one’s way to make enemies out of powerful neighbors is never a good idea.

  16. nano says:

    The moral double standards will drive you crazy if you let them – satire is one way to square the circle.

  17. Gypsy says:

    Yehuda Stocktipz—love the name, LMAO!
    Thank to PCR for a comparison that I have often made in the past, that is: the analogy of Israelis/Palestinians and White European Colonizers/ Native Americans. As an American of Native descent myself (Cree Nation), I have always empathized with the Palestinians, as my people can certainly identify with issues of genocide and land theft.
    For the same reasons, the Irish, colonized, displaced and murdered at will by the British for hundreds of years, are among the world’s most ardent supporters of Palestine.
    Bill: watch who you call “Injun”. My totem is the cougar, and I’m not afraid to use my claws and teeth, if you have the stones to meet me in a public place!

  18. LA Dude says:

    Poor juxtaposition on your part.

    Poor job understanding my point. As I mentioned, Mr. Stocktipz’ implication that Netanyahu is deliberately targeting children — or otherwise gratuitously attacking Gaza — is ridiculous. (Note how I italicized “kids” throughout the comment.)

    If we were to graft your views of the WW2 protagonists onto the current conflict, then Netanyahu is needlessly/foolishly/recklessly engaging in an unprovoked war with a perceived enemy that actually poses no threat at all. (That seems to be the form of your non-interventionist argument as applied to FDR and Churchill.)

    (I realize that if you believe Israel has no right to exist in any form whatsoever, then no military action by Israel would ever be justified.)

    • Replies: @Gilles
  19. nano says:

    “Mr. Stocktipz’ implication that Netanyahu is deliberately targeting children — or otherwise gratuitously attacking Gaza — is ridiculous.”

    It’s a lot easier for an army to operate in an urban area if all the civilians are cleared out first so if Israel’s aim is to clear the area along the border to search for tunnels then bombing a few markets would be the quickest way to clear that zone.

  20. Gilles says:
    @LA Dude

    As I mentioned, Mr. Stocktipz’ implication that Netanyahu is deliberately targeting children — or otherwise gratuitously attacking Gaza — is ridiculous. (Note how I italicized “kids” throughout the comment.)

    I noticed. I largely agree with Yehuda’s implication that Netanyahu is deliberately targeting children (or civilians at the very least) and he definitely is gratuitously attacking Gaza with extremely disproportionate force.

    Judging from every incursion that Israel participates – notably its recent operations in Lebanon and Gaza – casualties are disproportionately civilian. So much for the `World’s Most Moral Military’.

    If we were to graft your views of the WW2 protagonists onto the current conflict, then Netanyahu is needlessly/foolishly/recklessly engaging in an unprovoked war with a perceived enemy that actually poses no threat at all.

    My observation is that Israel is always itching for a fight. Who led assassinations that knowingly would scupper the cease fire that preceded the last Gaza campaign?

    Also to reiterate, Netanyahu (and Olmert, Sharon, Begin, Meir, et al) have always used extreme disproportionate force compared to actual and often perceived threats.

    F-16s and precision weaponry – some of which is banned (fletchettes, DIME munitions in the current campaign) – against unguided rockets, as miserable as they are? Israelis ought to feel extremely fortunate that’s all pissed off Gazans can bring to bear.

    (I realize that if you believe Israel has no right to exist in any form whatsoever, then no military action by Israel would ever be justified.)

    I don’t believe any nation has a `right’ to exist.

    Rather, I believe that a nation has a privilege to exist based upon its behavior and diplomacy/relations with and the good will of its neighbors.

    Israel has long lost any moral basis — it now solely relies on pure military strength, compliant Western media, nuclear ambiguity and Samson Option blackmail, and the backing of the US (military, economic, diplomatic, Christian Zionist eschatology) for its now tenuous existence.


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