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James Jesus Angleton, head of CIA counterintelligence for three decades, long ago explained to me that intelligence services create stories inside stories, each with its carefully constructed trail of evidence, in order to create false trails as diversions. Such painstaking work can serve a variety of purposes. It can be used to embarrass or discredit an innocent person or organization that has an unhelpful position on an important issue and is in the way of an agenda. It can be used as a red herring to draw attention away from a failing explanation of an event by producing an alternative false explanation. I forget what Angleton called them, but the strategy is to have within a false story other stories that are there but withheld because of “national security” or “politically sensitive issues” or some such. Then if the official story gets into trouble, the backup story can be released in order to deflect attention into a new false story or to support the original story. Angleton said that intelligence services protect their necessary misdeeds by burying the misdeed in competing explanations.

Watching the expert craftsmanship of the “Saudis did 9/11” story, I have been wondering if the Saudi story is what Angleton described as a story within a story.

The official 9/11 story has taken too many hits to remain standing. The collapse of Building 7, which, if memory serves, was not mentioned at all in the 9/11 Commission Report, has been proven to have been a controlled demolition. Building 7 collapsed at free fall acceleration, which can only be achieved with controlled demolition.

Over 100 firemen, policemen, and building maintenance personnel who were inside the two towers prior to their collapse report hearing and experiencing multiple explosions. According to William Rodriguez, a maintenance employee in the north tower, there were explosions in the sub-basements of the tower prior to the time airplanes are said to have hit the towers.

An international team of scientists found in the dust of the towers both reacted and unreacted residues of explosives and substances capable of instantly producing the extreme temperatures that cut steel.

A large number of pilots, both commercial and military, have questioned the ability of alleged hijackers with substandard flight skills to conduct the maneuvers required by the flight paths.

2,500 architects and engineers have called for an independent investigation of the failure of the towers that were certified to be capable of withstanding a hit by airplanes.

The revelation that the 9/11 attack was financed by the Saudi government has the effect of bolstering the sagging official story while simultaneously satisfying the growing recognition that something is wrong with the official story.

Commentators and media are treating the story of Saudi financing of 9/11 as a major revelation that damns the Bush regime, but the revelation not only leaves in place but also strengthens the official story that Osama bin Laden carried out the attack with precisely the hijackers identified in the original story. The Bush regime is damned merely for protecting its Saudi friends and withholding evidence of Saudi financing.

The evidence of Saudi financing is what restores the credibility of the original story. Nothing changes in the story of the collapse of the three WTC buildings, the attack on the Pentagon, and the crashed airliner in Pennsylvania. American anger is now directed at the Saudis for financing the successful attacks.

To hype the Saudi story is to support the official story. A number of commentators who are usually suspicious of government are practically jumping up and down for joy that now they have something to pin on Bush. They haven’t noticed that what they are pinning on him supports the official 9/11 story.

Moreover, they have not explained why the Saudi government would finance an attack on the country that protects it. Saudi Arabia is a long-time partner. They accept pieces of paper for their oil and then use the paper to finance the US Treasury’s debt and to purchase US weapons systems, purchases that lead to larger weapons sales, thus spreading R&D costs over larger volume.

What do the Saudis have to gain from embarrassing the US by demonstrating the total failure of US national security? Really, if a few hijackers can outfox the NSA, the CIA, and the national security state, we clearly aren’t getting out money’s worth and are giving up our civil liberties for nothing.

Saudi financing does not explain who had access to wire the buildings for demolition, or to schedule on 9/11 a simulated attack that the actual attack modeled, thus causing confusion among some authorities about what was real and what was not.

Saudi financing does not explain the dancing Israelis who were apprehended filming the attacks on the towers and who later said on Israeli TV that they were sent to New York to film the attack. How did the Israelis know? Did Prince Bandar tell them? Bush didn’t tell us about the Saudis, and the Israelis didn’t tell us about the attack. Which is worse?

This Saudi revelation is too convenient for the official story. How do we know that it was not devised as a story inside the story to be used when the story got into trouble? The Saudis would be a logical choice to be put in such a position as the original neoconservative plan for overthrowing Middle Eastern governments included overthrowing Saudi Arabia. Now we have an excuse.

I have doubts that the alleged hijackers played any role other than cover for bringing down buildings by controlled demolition. Possibly the hijackers and the Saudis who financed them, if the evidence is real and not concocted, were not aware of their role and thought they were participating in a different deception.


Are we being deceived again with a story inside a story? Will it succeed along the lines that Angleton explained? Or will it possibly backfire? If the US government will hide some of the truth from us for 13 years, why not all of the truth? What else in the official story is false?

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• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: 9/11, Conspiracy Theories, Saudi Arabia 
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  1. 9/11 had to be an inside job. I don’t care who, if any, the co-conspirators are. I want the names of the Americans responsible for 9/11.

  2. Akira says: • Website

    Is Paul Craig Roberts part of the deception?

    It it just an accident that this man has become so unbelievably stupid? That he leaps into FALSE FLAG mode without a shred of evidence or a second thought? That he spreads the most retarded possible views that are then assumed by all to represent the “opposition”?

    Did the CIA kidnap him and surgically remove part of his frontal lobes?

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    [Stop using multiple handles to conceal your identity. Pick one and stick to it (or use Anonymous/Anon), or don’t be surprised to see your future comments get summarily trashed.]

    Maybe. Assuming that were the case still, why do you trust him so much?

    A 100-IQ student of psychology knows a reaction like yours (aimless insults, shouted istead of uttered) comes when one is upset, and nothing we give no credibility to upsets us.

    The question stands: why do you give this piece so much credibility?
    You make me thing it’s trusty, and anybody reading your comment will be driven to take it seriously.

    However, anybody keeping themselves informed, and reading around, will know what Paul Craig Roberts purports is found in countless of the extremely few independent information sources these days (we mean outlets where you don’t get fired for
    You are, seemingly, neglecting to keep yourself informed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  4. Wally says: • Website

    I, like many others, new immediately the ‘missing 28 pages’ was an intended distraction.

    The US govt. cannot change laws of physics, the government’s bizarre conspiracy theory is impossible.

    And it’s an established scientific fact that military grade nano-thermite was used in the 9/11 attack.
    Military grade nano-thermite was found in the WTC debris by the US Geological Survey & Niels Harrit of Univ. of Copenhagen, and 8 more scientists.

    real science here:

    ‘Muslims in caves’ cannot make military grade nano-thermite.

    What Science Says About the Destruction of World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7

  5. Marcus says:

    Saudi Arabia was one of only three countries (the other two also being “US allies”: the UAE and Pakistan) to recognize the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan, they fund terror around the world, we just normally turn a blind eye since its directed at designated enemies, no surprise it comes back to bite us occasionally

  6. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"] says: • Website

    I don’t think it’s too difficult to fly airplanes into the towers if you have the basic grasp of how to steer the plane.

    It’s like, even after one day of learning to drive, you can crash the car into something.

    I don’t think Saudi government funded the operation. But there may have been rich Saudis who funded Alqaeda without knowing where it would all lead.

    Some Saudis and maybe even Saudi government funded some Jihadi elements thinking that them fellas would target only enemies of Saudi Arabia. Maybe they had no idea that these Jihadis would take it much further.

    But then, US has done the same thing. US funded and armed Alqaeda in Syria to bring down Assad, but it underestimated where it would all lead. Migration crisis and terror attacks in Europe.
    And US aided the neo-Nazis in Ukraine with short-term goal of hurting Russia. But who knows where this may lead to.

    Few people think long-term. Keep in mind US aided and abetted the rise of Japanese Empire… before it was too late. Japan rose as an ally of US and UK but then became their rivals with renewed power.

    And Americans aided Zionists as ‘holocaust survivors’ only to discover themselves under the rule by Jewish Supremacist Globalists who will pull every dirty trick in the book to expand Jewish power and destroy goy power.

    And NY chattering classes were into radical chic and even funded the Black Panthers, only to see their cities fall to crime and negro mayhem.
    People don’t think far ahead.

    • Replies: @antonio
    , @Kiza
    , @Anonymous
  7. @Akira

    NORAD and 911

    Within mere minutes of my being informed of the impact of Flight 11 into the North WTC tower — that is to say well prior to the intrusion of a second airliner into lower Manhattan airspace — I knew that the Pentagon was intimately and inextricably interwoven into the emerging tapestry of terror. And how did I know? In part, because as a youngster, by the luck of the draw as it were, I resided for 10 years on a military base wherein an important component of NORAD is headquartered. That experience, when combined with my subsequent 13 years involvement in the aerospace industry as a vendor of air traffic control avionics, permits me to address with authority that particular aspect of the days’ events.

    It should be remembered that all of the flights allegedly hijacked on Sept. 11 were routine commercial flights, and as such were required, pursuant to FAA protocols, to submit flight plans to that agency in advance; the data contained within these plans includes, inter alia, average airspeed, assigned altitude, route coordinates, and ETA. The FAA, in its turn, shares all flight plans with NORAD, again as per requirement.

    Even momentary deviations from any of the aforementioned criteria are detected in real time by the FAA’s and NORAD’s terrestrial antenna arrays and by space-based communication, imaging, eavesdropping, and GPS platforms maintained by the Air Force, and the NRO, and the NGA, and the NSA. Any sustained anomalies will set off alarm bells even if, especially if, a given aircraft were suddenly to observe RF silence, i.e., were it to disable its transponder. Otherwise the USAF, tasked with securing American airspace, would find itself unable to distinguish its friends — or to extinguish its foes — were the continental US to be suddenly subjected to aerial attack! The catchphrase for this omnivorous capability back in the day was “universal air surveillance.”

    (Universal air surveillance, as defined to me by more than one participating scientist, on more than one occasion some four-plus decades ago meant that the velocity and trajectory of any aerial vehicle, aloft at altitudes ranging from a few hundred feet above sea level to several hundred miles above planet Earth itself was subjected to real-time, 24/7 scrutiny! So acute was the network’s sensitivity, even items as minuscule as the dislodged nuts, bolts, wires, and washers that comprised the flotsam and jetsam of American and Russian endeavors in outer space were precisely pinpointed at all times. The system, as configured in the mid-1960s, could track hundreds of air/spacecraft simultaneously and was, by virtue of its redundancy, considered to be fail-safe. This formidable achievement, attained as it was years before the NSA’s fishnet of spy satellites was established, and decades prior to the deployment of DoD’s GPS array was, not unjustifiably, a point of pride to both its designers and its overseers.)

    Bottom line? At no point were the whereabouts of any of the four errant aircraft left to chance and thus the failure to interdict these flights could only have occurred pursuant to orders.

    I well remember laughing to myself when, in the aftermath of the tragedy, a mainstream media organ was queried as to why the wildly deviant flight path of one or another of the doomed planes had proceeded apace — without detection, without interception. The news organ in question, forwarded that query to a gentleman it deemed certified to expostulate on such matters. The Expert replied that the aircraft tracking antenna (as though there was only one tasked with the tracking of the plane in question) was at that auspicious moment unable to detect the deviation because it had — Are you ready for this? — been “facing the wrong way!”

    Say what?!

    What his response implied, but dared not state, was that the lone antenna, though fully functional, maintained a fixed position 180 degrees opposite to that of the aircraft its was assigned to track and, for that reason, had been derelict in its duties. Of course, as anyone who has ever passed by a large airport has doubtlessly observed, air traffic control antennas are in a state of constant rotation, because the accurate management of air traffic requires the precise positioning of all aircraft in its vicinity at all times, a degree of accuracy, only the ongoing triangulation capability afforded by a rotating antenna can provide. Oh well, at least our Expert didn’t claim that a non-functional transponder was the culprit!

    For a “real world” example of the tracking matrix at work, one need only to revisit the sad saga of PGA icon Payne Stuart. When the golfer’s Learjet lost cabin air pressure somewhere over the middle west and afterwards veered off piste, that deviation was quickly detected and his aircraft accurately located, promptly interdicted, and subsequently shepherded by a brace of F-16s. The fighter pilots were prepared to incinerate the zombie aerodyne were it to assume a downward trajectory that would culminate with its impact into a populated area once its fuel reserve had been exhausted. Suffice it to say that NORAD’s minions weren’t asleep at their CRTs that day!

    An Ominous Postscript

    On the evening of September 14th, I was visiting a relative in Northern Virginia. Naturally, the events of three days earlier were the cynosure of conversation. A neighbor who was present throughout the discussion the let it be known that his closest friend worked at the Pentagon, his employer of record being the Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI). He further elaborated that on the evening of the 11th his friend, rendered distraught by the tragedy, informed him that during the previous afternoon, his supervisor had taken him aside and suggested that he spend the next day with his family as it would be a “slow day at the office.” The underling, knowing that his wife couldn’t request a day off on such short notice, politely declined the offer. Almost instantly, his superior’s demeanor underwent a Jekyll-to-Hyde transmutation — his posture stiffened, his gaze intensified, and his voice acquired a stern sonority — at which point he was then ordered not to attend work on the following day! The junior employee complied, no questions asked and, come the morning, joined the millions of Americans glued to their televisions, transfixed by the unfolding events; the awkward exchange of the previous afternoon was forgotten, if but briefly. Moments later, it was reported that a third wayward plane had impacted the Pentagon, and that the collision point had occurred precisely where his office had been located!

    Are we to suppose that the ONI official was only coincidentally clairvoyant?

    (I learned subsequently, that the area impacted by the plane had very recently undergone extensive structural reinforcement. Why would a low-rise building, and one none the worse for wear to boot, require beefing up?)


  8. alexander says:

    Mr. Roberts,

    Your quote:
    “Saudi financing does not explain the dancing Israelis who were apprehended filming the attacks on the towers……”

    No, it does not.

    Nor does it explain the Israelis purported “high -five-ing”, while dancing their giddy jig of celebration.

    Who acts like that ?

    Consider for a moment that the entire world was in total shock witnessing the events taking place, completely clueless as to what was going on….and speechless in their horror…..

    and here we have a small group of Israelis purported to having not only set up a camera “before” the event took place ……. but “high five-ing” and doing a little celebratory “jig” ……once it occurred ?

    How exactly does one explain this behavior ?

    • Replies: @fitz
    , @Olde Virginian
  9. antonio says:
    @Priss Factor

    You sir, are sane. Please remove yourself from this thread!

  10. Gee, I don’t know which is worse … A world run by bankers, or a world run by the MIC. I suppose there is some unifying grand theory linking the two, like they are all being run by lizard-creatures from outer space.

  11. I wonder if the truth of 9/11 will ever be revealed? maybe 50 years from now when all who are responsible are dead and rotting.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @TheHolyCrow
  12. Some tidbits from my blog in May that includes links to more info:

    Here is a summary of events for those confused by American corporate media. Al Qaeda is not an organization. It is a CIA computer database of armed Arab nationalists who violently oppose western domination of the Arab world. (Al Qaeda is Arabic for database.) This database was established by the CIA in the 1980s when our CIA trained and armed Arabs to fight the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Osama Bin Laden (OBL) was never an official leader since it has never been a real organization, although he did lead a large group of Arab nationalists who lived in Afghanistan.

    OBL had nothing to do with 9-11, he didn’t even know about it until it was reported in the media. He was never formally accused of the attacks because there is zero evidence. OBL was a wealthy Saudi who is said to have inspired the attacks. Our government blamed a Kuwaiti, Khalid Shaikh Mohammad (pictured), and a dozen Saudis who died in the airplanes. These persons had never been to Afghanistan and are said to have planned and trained for the attacks in the Philippines, Germany, and the USA. Then why was Afghanistan invaded, and later Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Sudan, Libya, and Yemen? But we did not invade Saudi Arabia! Instead, recall that days after 9-11 several jets from our federal Justice Department rounded up Saudi suspects in the USA and flew them home before FBI agents could ask them questions. 

    All this explains why the accused mastermind of the attacks, Khalid Shaikh Mohammad, has yet to go to trial almost 16 years since 9-11! He has not been allowed to speak to anyone outside the CIA. Even the 9-11 Commission was not allowed to interview him. The U.S. military set up a kangaroo court at Gitmo to hold a trial many years ago, but brave military defense lawyers keep causing delays by insisting on a fair trial. It seems evidence is so “sensitive” that our CIA does not want it revealed. even in a secret military court. Whenever documents are requested by the defense, some are destroyed instead! This included all the CIA interrogations of the accused!

    Our media propaganda is so prevalent that nearly all Americans think OBL was the 9-11 mastermind, and since he is dead the case is closed. However, there is zero evidence of his involvement, something our government has long acknowledged. Americans watched thousands of hours of television coverage of the 9-11 attacks. Ask one if they think the accused mastermind of the attacks should be put on trial, and they’ll have no idea what you are talking about. More Americans are becoming aware and demanding action, who are demeaned as crazy “truthers”, which now include two former members of our government’s official 9-11 Commission once tasked with investigating these crimes. 

  13. fitz says:

    … in Crawford Street, London W1, at a mid East cafe, they were laughing and cheering while watching TV that afternoon…unsavoury in the extreme…

    • Replies: @alexander
  14. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    As anyone who has actually followed the news must know, the Saudi “hijackers” received US visas from the American visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia on instructions from the CIA. (Source, among many) , so why is PCR discussing the Saudis-did-it, theory of 9/11 as if it had any merit?

    What happened on 9/11 is not worth discussing. It was obviously a US inspired operation, with or without Israeli and/or Saudi assistance. It was the “catalyzing event” or the “Pearl Harbor of the 21st Century” as George Dubya Bush described it in his diary, specified by the Neocon think tank, the Project for the New American Century, as a necessary trigger for the “rebuilding of America’s Defenses” (signatories including JEB Bush and Dick Cheney).

    The Saudis are neither suicidal nor are they led by lunatics, which means that they would never have attacked the homeland of the global hegemon, overtly or covertly.

    The official account of 9/11 is self-evident bunk as the authors of the report themselves have stated. For example:

    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) “obstructed our investigation”.

    The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn’t bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

    Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

    9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says “I don’t believe for a minute we got everything right”, that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only “the first draft” of history.

    9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that “There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn’t have access . . . .”

    9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

    Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”.

    9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way – conflicts of interest”.

    The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry, said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.”

    How, technically, the operation was carried out is no political interest. All that matters is that Bush, Cheney and no doubt others should “come out with their hands up”, to quote Professor Morgan O. Reynolds who served in the Bush II Administration as Chief Economic Adviser.

  15. utu says:

    Saudis were ultimate patsies and their job was to provide money and patsies. I am sure they knew what was going on. Prince Bandar is no dummy. He was a friend of Bushes and coached GWB how to deal with neocons whom GWB was uncomfortable with because he blamed them for his father’s defeat to Clinton. It was prior to election before Richard Perle gave the green light for GWB after visiting him in Austin. He liked GWB’s ignorance that GWB probably amplified in accordance with Prince Bandar’s advise.

  16. map says:

    The important question to ask is if this information is really destined to save or preserve American lives. Is this a data point that will be used to keep American’s safe, or is it used to gin up war fever against the Saudis? The last thing America needs is to engage in a protracted land war in the Middle East for the purpose of killing as many white American soldiers as possible.

  17. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    Thank you Mr. Roberts, to help to get at the facts and the truth about that terrible event.

    Anybody with anykind of IQ about physical science, or even at a level of 8th grade… will be able to figure that the buildings were dropped by explosives.

    Unfortunately, there is a huge problem! Not enough High IQ people! and Too many dumbies inhabit these … airwaves with us!

    And when I say that, I guess, I wonder… well who the hell are these dumb asses, where are they? and how come them worthless assholes are able to bring down the house all the time?

    Because the system encourages idiots all the time Gomar… Idiots are us!!! Idiots are what the monsters are looking for…. !

  18. @Astuteobservor II

    “I wonder if the truth of 9/11 will ever be revealed? maybe 50 years from now when all who are responsible are dead and rotting.”

    The standard non-disclosure agreement period used to be 73 years … I doubt they have shortened it since PCR and I signed ours back in the 80’s. What always amazes me is how politicans (usually Senators) blab to the press things that I am required to hold as secret to my death.

  19. I perfectly agree with Dr. Roberts. Nowadays, it’s very hard to put any trust in any narrative that comes out of the Empire. Personally, I’m surprised that a lot of journalists even took this bait (including Antiwar’s Justin Raimondo). Just because the so-called “28 pages” was kept away from public eyes and is now for everyone to see doesn’t mean that it isn’t tainted. People love enigmas that are suddenly revealed, and it now certainly looks like they’re confusing the “revelation” for truth.

  20. alexander says:


    Who is… they ?

  21. AmericanaCON [AKA "Ostermayer"] says:

    My conspiracy theory about this event is a bit different from Paul Craig Roberts. I think the Israelis and the Saudis were aware of an eminent attack. However, it was not in their interest to inform American authorities. CIA was most likely aware of a coming attack but they just shuffled it to the bottom of a stack of papers because they thought such attack could not be done. Of course, it would be a huge scandal if this was released to the public and so the investigation was killed by the Bush administration. It was killed because of the incompetence of the CIA but also because it would be obvious for the public that Saudi Arabia and Israel are not as good friends – in contraction to what the American people have been told for decades.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  22. And by the way, don’t you people find it strange that this has somehow become a season for “putting things out in the open”? The Chilcot Report, Hillary Clinton’s Emailgate and this “28-page Revelation,” they all follow a pattern of somehow having straightened things out, but in truth they HAVEN’T produced ANY desirable effect by way of justice AT ALL. If anything, they appear to just keep things at bay and deflect people’s attentions away from more significantly important issues.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  23. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    After all that’s come out I’ve personally come to the conclusion that parts of the US government contracted with the Saudis to provide us with a terrorist event on our soil. The Saudis scouted out and recruited people with the right psychology to go on a one-way mission. They were probably trained to fly those jumbo-jets within Saudi Arabia itself since they have the planes, facilities and secret services to enable them to secretly train some irregular non-military types. They didn’t learn how to fly those planes here; the flight schools they attended only had small propeller planes to train on and this was probably to create a cover story of how they were able to fly at all. 9-11 was our Reichstag fire event whereby emergency laws could be put into place and the public treasury could now be looted by all the right people, contracts given out aplenty, billions vanishing down the rabbit-hole in the greatest money and power grab in history.

  24. Once again, PCR nails it!

    They were dangling those supposedly secret 28 pages before our noses for 12 long years, before finally ‘releasing’ them. But no surprises: we had been helpfully informed by the media all along that they indicted the Saudis. So this is just more diversion, more disinfo.

    9/11 was done by Mossad.

  25. Rehmat says:

    YES Dr. Roberts – it’s 101% deception just like the Holocaust numbers – from 11 million down to 2.5 million.

    The Bush Zionist administration blamed Osama bin Laden and the al-Qaeda, which we know now was a creation of the US and Israel – in September 2001. US forces invaded Afghanistan during the first week of October 2001 to “revenge 9/11”.

    Later the Jewish Lobby shifted the blame to Saddam Hussain followed by Iran, Hizbullah and now the AIPAC poodles in the Congress claim 9/11 was carried out by Saudi ‘royals’, who have Jewish family roots. The “proof” is that most of the so-called “19 dead hijackers” were Saudi citizens even though six of them found alive and mocking George Bush.

    What most people found out after the destruction of Afghanistan and Iraq about 9/11 – was claimed by Pakistan’s top intelligence official, Lt. Gen. Gul Hamid, on September 26, 2001 – ISRAEL DID IT.

    Jeff Stein, a journalist with ‘Washington Post’ called Gul Hamid Tony Sopranos for accusing Israeli Mossad for carry-out the terrorist attacks in New York on September 11, 2001.

    Washington under Jewish lobby pressure even tried to get Hamid Gul’s name added to UN Security Council list of ‘International Terrorists’, but the move was blocked by China.

  26. Erebus says:
    @Robert Tan

    It used to be called “limited hangout”, and it used to work, but the world has changed. Doubt has crept into the public psyche, and the hundredth monkey waits in the wings.

    Offering them tidbits of information that misdirect their further doubts – a few colourful bits, some shiny metal bobs, in the hope that the great unwashed will return to their slumbers is not working the way it used to. But, they got nothin’ else, so they’re just knocking out a few in succession to make the biggest impression they can.

    When the credibility gap finally opens, much of “consensus opinion” will vanish into it without a trace. In the USA, saving what’s left of it is what the militarized police and FEMA camps are for.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Olde Virginian
  27. @John Q. Parvenu

    ONI soit qui mal y pense.

    The Pentagon needed renovation because there was an issue with the masonry.

    Can the system track the individual nanoparticles they are depositing with chemtrail flights, or only in the aggregate?

    Off piste, or just piste off?

    As a Virginian, taking the long view, I am more offended by the Pentagon squatting on General Lee’s expropriated home.

    Seriously, thanks for your contributions to this discussion.

    • Replies: @Rehmat
  28. @alexander

    In my imaginary, parallel universe, Ed Sullivan introduces “the hot new act taking New York by storm, the Dancing Israelis” on his program.

    Kletzmer music plays as a van prop is pushed on stage with 5 Zero Mostel clones giddily jigging and high-fiveing one another on top of it… The backdrop to the set is an impressionistic painting of the New York fed building…

    The dancers’ costumes resemble Thing 1 and Thing 2 from Cat in the Hat, only they are “Thing Aleph”, “Thing Beth”, “Thing Gimmel”, etc.

    • Agree: edNels
    • Replies: @alexander
  29. @Erebus

    Yes what our minders need to realize in the 21st century, with limited hangout, you just end up pissing down your own leg.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Troll! A worthless ad hominem attack. Digest this definition in your feeble mind:

    adverb & adjective
    1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining: [ as adj. ] : vicious ad hominem attacks.

  31. I would appreciate knowing the source for the story of the Israeli dancers explaining their 9/11 role on Israeli TV. Thanks for the info.

  32. Rehmat says:
    @Olde Virginian

    Pentagon has long been controlled by people whose loyalty rest with Israel than the United States. The current head of Pentagon, Ashton Carter is a GENTILE POOLE of the Jewish Lobby.

    On May 10, 2016, Ashton Carter at a ceremony at the Pentagon, presented Dr. Henry Kissinger, 92, former US secretary of state with the US Department of Defense Distinguished Public Service Award – the department’s highest honorary award for private citizens and foreign nationals.

    The ceremony was attended by 30 Israel-Firsters, including Madeleine Albright(Jewish); former Sens. Dick Lugar and Sam Nunn; former California Rep. Jane Harman (Jewish); Kissinger gofer Paul Bremer and James Jeffrey (Jewish); former senior defense officials Graham Allison (Jewish), John J. Hamre (Jewish), Michele Flournoy (married to Jew W. Scott Gould) and Robert Taylor; current senior defense leaders Jamie Morin (Jewish), Air Force Secretary Deborah James and the military chiefs of the Army and Navy.

    Professor Greg Grandin (New York University) wrote at The Nation on May 10: “Carter himself deserves an award for understatement, calling the man who is responsible, directly or indirectly, for the deaths of millions of people in Southeast Asia, East Timor, Bangladesh, and southern Africa, among other places—”unique in the annals of American diplomacy.” Kissinger, Carter said, “demonstrated how serious thinking and perspective can deliver solutions to seemingly intractable problems.” As to allegations of war crimes, “the fact is,” said Kissinger, he and Richard Nixon “were engaged in good causes.”

  33. alexander says:
    @Olde Virginian


  34. Lorax says:
    @John Q. Parvenu

    Bravo John Q. Parvenu! This is one of the best comments in my 15 year study
    of the utter impossibility of the official 911 narrative. My background is architectural.
    Hearing the radio reports on my way to work of the “collapse” of the WTC
    tower my first thought was: “I wonder who planted the bombs?”
    Under Architect Minoru Yamasaki these towers were designed to withstand
    any of the three lateral forces that could be directed at them: wind, earthquake or
    airplane impact as well as fire. They were the strongest high rise structures ever built
    up to that point. Therefore the only force that could have accomplished the demolition
    would have to be generated by chain reaction high explosives.
    BTW all explosive charges (including nuclear) are chain reaction chemical events.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  35. Rurik says:

    My conspiracy theory

    your “conspiracy theory” eh?

    I think the Israelis and the Saudis were aware of an eminent attack. However, it was not in their interest to inform American authorities.

    well, just leave it at that

    and it’s not a “conspiracy theory” that the Israelis knew. We all know that they knew.

    as Alexander has pointed out, they had their Mossad agents there to “document the event”, as they admitted on Israeli television that they were there to do. And were discovered because they made such a spectacle of cheering and celebrating the horror-show. “Dancing and ‘high-fiving’ each other at the slaughter of the stupid Americans.

    It took Israeli duel citizen Michael Chertoff (and future head of “Homeland” Security) to get them released from FBI custody and sent quietly back to Israel- where apparently they had a massive spy ring operating in the US months before the attack, but the report by Fox News’ Carl Cameron on the Israeli spies was quashed by the PTB.

    “evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

    And of course it is well known that when bibi was asked about the attack, he blurted out “it’s very good”, before realizing the consequences of his words and walking them back, saying it isn’t good, but it’s good for Israel’.

    So then the question is, -{if you forget about how we all now know that our government and media were in on it at the highest levels- because they reported on building seven before it fell, }- and just concentrate on the fact that our bestest buddy in the whole world, who we send billions to each year and give total access to our national security secrets, (those that their spies haven’t stolen for them), and we even fight their wars for them…

    my question is why do we continue to treat that country as an ally when they clearly knew thousands of Americans were about to be horrifically slaughtered, yet didn’t warn us, but rather wanted as many of us to be murdered as possible?

    and kn0wing this, instead of water boarding every Israeli we can find, rather.. we destroy all the countries in the Middle East that are Israeli’s enemies!

    ~ They watch us be slaughtered by the thousands in horrible fireballs, and laugh and cheer our death, and then we respond by acting like their bitch- like their dog on a leash, and get thousands more Americans killed and maimed fighting Israeli’s wars for them, (and slaughtering millions of innocents in far away lands who had nothing to do with 911 !).

    Don’t you find that a little curious?

  36. Durruti says:

    Nice article by Paul Craig Roberts

    The article trails off………… at the end when it does not strongly suggest who the Assassins of the World Trade Towers & building # 7, and all their occupants, were.

    Roberts hints. “Saudi financing does not explain the dancing Israelis who were apprehended filming the attacks on the towers and who later said on Israeli TV that they were sent to New York to film the attack. How did the Israelis know? Did Prince Bandar tell them? Bush didn’t tell us about the Saudis, and the Israelis didn’t tell us about the attack. Which is worse?

    Roberts (courageously), cites “Israelis” four times in one short paragraph. Hint – hint – hint -hint.

    1. Yes, the official imperialist ‘story of 9/11 is a “Deception.”

    2. Earlier, the official American imperialist coup d’etat Government ‘story’ of the events of November 22, 1963, was also a deception.

    3. These, and other deceptions have triggered horrendous wars of aggression, with millions dead, and nations destroyed. These triggered horrors are continuing in Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Ukraine, Yugoslavia’s remnants, nations south of the Sahara, and nations in Latin America. The continuing destruction of North Eastern Japan, around Fukushima cannot be viewed in isolation.

    In Europe and the Fertile Crescent we view millions of humans running for cover. A thousand Jericho’s are being planned.

    Oh! if only Casino Trump, or Killery Clinton, or Hollywood Obomber, or Mighty Mouse can save our asses!

    Ourselves Alone: Only we can save our asses.

    The VISION:

    For the Restoration of our Democratic Republic! For the Restoration of all the Republics!

  37. While I concur that the official version of the events of 9/11 are suspicious, I do have some questions for those who support the view that it was the work of either of Israelis alone Israelis/Saudis, or perhaps Israelis/Saudis/Americans.

    My first and most important question is this: If this was a plot devised by Israelis or some other combination of peoples, who were the people who took over the planes? Were they coerced, encouraged, compelled, to engage in a plot which would end their lives? That seems unlikely. To me the more likely scenario is the plot was known in advance, and actions taken to ensure the complete and utter destruction of the Towers such as placing thermite in the building, and this of course to ensure high casualties and therefore guarantee maximum outrage by the American public. The first scenario just doesn’t make much sense to me.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @CanSpeccy
  38. annamaria says:

    “The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers’ vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24). … There was no question but that [the order to close down the investigation] came from the White House. It was immediately assumed at CIA headquarters that this basically was going to be a cover-up so that the Israelis would not be implicated in any way in 9/11.” (25)

    “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.” US official quoted in Carl Cameron’s Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.”

    One wonders, was it baby-Bush or Cheney himself that gave the orders to classify the info re Mossad and 9/11.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  39. Art says:

    Trump seems to be a bit of a conspiracy buff. Obama’s birth certificate, Cruz’s father and Oswald.

    As a NY’er – Trump is very emotionally invested in 9/11. Would he open up a new 9/11 investigation?

    One could conjure up a scenario where President Trump is stymied by the deep state bureaucrats and he fights back by investigating 9/11.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @Anonymous
  40. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    I walked the streets down there in ’64, before there was any construction even of those towers.

    But it seems that the buildings were more an eye sore, Twin Phalic Symbols… Nelson and David.

    Mind you, and not efficient office buildings, with long elevator rides to the top, you had to go to a second elevator ride. Up to the usual office setting/cubicle.

    In a word, the Twin Towers, had become White Elephants.

    Competing with our lovely Statue of Liberty! Two phalises… ! Really? America, really?

  41. utu says:

    “who took over the planes? ” – it does not matter who and how. The planes were scheduled to show up because buildings rigged with explosives were standing and waiting for demolition. You could not demolish the buildings w/o the planes. There would be a lot of explaining to do. The planners and executors could not count on the accuracy and will of poorly trained Arabs who always could change their mind and decide to live. You can safely drop the theory of “Let-it-happen-on-purpose”. It was “Made-it-happen-on-purpose”. I believe that some plane flew in and most likely were remotely controlled. Whether there were people on board or not is secondary. The Arabs were hired to move from A to B and to C… to leave a trail and at some point they were vanished. Were among them some who were ready to go on suicide mission, I personally doubt but it is irrelevant because the operation did not depend on their skills or willingness.

  42. alexander says:


    or he tries to un-stymie ……and ends up “grassy knoll-ed”.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  43. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “countless of the extremely few”

    You’ve set a new bar for non-sequiturs.

  44. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    my question is why do we continue to treat that country as an ally when they clearly knew thousands of Americans were about to be horrifically slaughtered, yet didn’t warn us, but rather wanted as many of us to be murdered as possible?

    Why? Because keeping quiet about what they knew was in the American interest — the interest of the American Empire, that is — because 9/11 was the trigger that provided the public support for the planned wars “to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan & Iran,” wars that are a bit behind sched. unfortunately, although Iraq’s down, Libya’s down, and Somalia and Syria will be on the ropes any day now. Then Hilary’s gonna smash Iran, Lebanon and Somalia provided that disagreeable, narcissistic, unscrupulous scoundrel Trump doesn’t steal the election with his disgustingly good looking family and wereck the glorious bipartisan DemoPublican Bush/Clinton plan for Global Governance, for all time.

    Also, the Israeli art students living in the Twin Towers may have laid the demolition charges.

    So no point in blaming Israel. They just loyally played their part in service to the global empire the empire in its pursuit of creating a godless, multi-culti, heaven on earth.

    • Replies: @edNels
    , @Rurik
  45. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Exactly. Trump will surely only expose what he thinks he has to expose to get power. And indeed he may well be prepared to “expose” mere theories with little if any substance if he thinks it will move votes his way, e.g., the theory that Cruz Sr was connected with Kennedy assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald.

    But if Trump obtains power, it seems most unlikely that he would institute something like the Nuremberg Tribunals for American war criminals, which would be highly damaging to the US interest. Consistent with this, is Trump’s criticism of the Bush Administration on 9/11, which went no further than to allege negligence, which is quite different from suggesting government complicity.

  46. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    who were the people who took over the planes? Were they coerced, encouraged, compelled, to engage in a plot which would end their lives? That seems unlikely.

    We don’t have any convincing evidence that any of the 19 “hijackers” were on any of the planes that crashed on 9/11. But in any case, all of the planes were equipped in such a way that they could be flown by remote control. Professor A.K. Dewdney, a long-time Scientific American contributor, wrote a plausible scenario whereby the passengers on the doomed aircraft could have been rendered incapable and the planes flown remotely to their fatal destination.

    • Agree: edNels
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  47. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @John Q. Parvenu

    Your report provides one more compelling reason, along with the free-fall, announced-in-advance collapse of WTC7, the concealment or destruction of all surveillance video showing the attack on the Pentagon (with one useless exception), the government organized destruction of evidence at ground zero, and the extreme aeronautical ineptitude of Hani Hanjour, the man supposedly responsible for the aerobatic attack on the Pentagon, to conclude that the official 9/11 story is a childish farrago of nonsense, a conclusion shared by most Americans.

  48. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    That’s another good point: that the wings would not have enough mass to penetrate the ”exoskeleton steel of the building”, even though possibly the mass of a big jet plane, and engines might possibly get through it.

    But as has been said/demonstrated, a modern steel framed building would not be demolished by a plane collision, that was prooved when a B-52 hit the Empire State building in 1949!

    The way the engineers describe it is, that the building is way over built for any natural disaster, including airplane intrusions, and if there ever was one, it would be analogous to a projectile such as a child’s arrow hitting a screen door, the door don’t fall down.

    Are there anybodies out there that remember the days when we had screen doors, or played with bows and arrows?

    • Replies: @anonymous
  49. jjc says:

    Many posters on this topic, including PCR, need to approach the material with more level-headedness. I believe they are expressing opinions without actually being familiar with the contents of the “28-pages”. This is a good summary of the material:

    The document was written in late 2002 by a Joint Inquiry of the Senate and House Select Committees on Intelligence (not the later 9-11 Commission). The purpose of the classified pages was to itemize information this Committee wished to see investigated and explained by the FBI and CIA. The document includes specific direction to those agencies to review and investigate due to “the serious national security implications of this information.”

    If the FBI or CIA had actually followed up, as they were expressly told to do, then the results of their investigation also remain buried. There has been no reference or referral to such investigations. That seems rather scandalous, particularly since 9-11 was supposed to be the event which “changed everything”. Even if the hijackers were merely patsies, someone had to manipulate them, and the material in these pages seem to provide strong leads to help determine that. As well, FBI field agents had uncovered elements of this Saudi connection through 2000 and 2001, but were told to back off by their superiors. Why did this happen and who ultimately made that order? Again, a proper investigation should have provided an explanation. A solid speculation is that there was an ongoing joint CIA and Saudi operation, which the 9-11 plotters were able to exploit.

    • Replies: @bunga
  50. The author is perfectly correct on the story within a story angle.

    The real perps are the Israelis and their extended criminal organization throughout the world, posing as a ‘religion’ to give them a cloak of ‘respectability’, who can never be openly identified, lest there be a backlash against Israel and their extended crime family around the world, it is that simple, pure hypnosis.

    The human mind can be controlled very easily by those criminals by the method of simple word sets and misinformation, as the conscious human mind is extremely simple on the surface level that results in public manifestation of beliefs and actions extending from such emotive programming as 9/11, almost Pavlovian in it’s simplicity in fact, and the perps know this and play with that vulnerability.

    Of course, the British crypto-Jews put crypto-Jews into power in Saudi Arabia around 1917 or so, and the Turks in power are donmeh crypto-Jews also, outwardly posing as Muslims, as do those Saudis in power.

    ISIS are not real Muslims either, being largely Kharijites and mercenaries and simple-minded fools, and mind-controlled idiots from Abu Ghraib etc. and training camps in the US, high on methamphetamine type Captagon, that keeps them in an utterly surreal and crazed state of consciousness, and as Kharijites they are regarded as apostates by other Muslims, subject to the death penalty, and these Kharijites have more in common with Israel and the Judaic belief system and intentions than the Muslim belief systems and intentions, so they are willing to fight and die for Israel, as they, even to the extent of blowing themselves up, shouting “Allahu Akhbar”, in a final attempt to tar the Muslims and produce a wave of warlike spirit against them.

    This is done whilst the real culprits, the crypto-Jews in power in many countries, produce artificially-created wars, and waves of ‘refugees’ invading their own and other countries in a hostile manner sometimes, with ISIS agents seeded amongst them, with the deliberate attempt to foment civil war against Muslims in the countries they rule over by deception, for this SPECTRE-like terrorist and genocidal crime cult syndicate to advance it’s sinister agenda for world domination.

    Take a read of the US 1991 Noahide Laws. Rabbis want these on statute all over the world, ready to be effected when everything is in place, and any people that refuses to be placed under jurisdiction of those laws, is simply to be killed they say, that is whole peoples, not individual people, and they are confident they have that power, and they are completing their preparations constantly, thinking of the 1917 Bolshevik Red Revolution etc.

  51. @Lorax

    Or we could accept that Osama et al were engineering geniuses. It is not a big stretch, except for a reasonable explanation why WTC-7 came down.

  52. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    wings would not have enough mass to penetrate

    The wings were full of fuel, and the aircraft speed was more than 200 mph.

  53. I have speculated the World Trade Center buildings were wired for demo after the first bombing attack 1993.
    Wasn’t the whole complex closed for ” repairs” for more than a year?

    I also feel that the (((enemy))) certainly doesn’t mind taking a long term view. They’re very patient.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  54. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think it’s highly unlikely. New Yorkers are indeed highly invested emotionally and in other ways in 9/11, but they’re generally invested in the official narrative. Also, he has Jewish ties that would inhibit him.

  55. The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this…

    Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, ( This well appointed Suite according to the London Times): nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah…

    Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes…

    And hangover or not, they manage to give the world’s most sophisticated air defense system the slip…

    Unfazed by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely…

    Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two… and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

    Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground… only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI…

    …Meanwhile down in Washington…

    Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing…

    Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little…

    Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world’s most heavily defended building…

    …all without a single shot being fired…. or ruining the nicely mowed lawn… and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video…

    …Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania…

    So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later…

    And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants… except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana…

    …Further south in Florida…

    President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children… shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger…

    …In New York…

    World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously…

    While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the ‘New Pearl Harbor’ catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination…

    And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports…

    And If you don’t believe this, you are a conspiracy theorist.

  56. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Professor Dewdney also demonstrated that the cell phone calls allegedly made from the planes would not have been possible:

  57. Kiza says:
    @Priss Factor

    You are becoming one of the most idiotic Hasbara comments here: “flying passenger jet planes is like driving cars!” Did Israelis grow you in Dimona Lab under high radiation to produce such a minute brain? You definitely do not need a Zika virus to have microcefalia.

    One this is for sure, Paul Craig Roberts is the strongest magnet for Hasbara that I know of.

  58. @Anonymouse

    A thingy called google should be able to assist you in turning up the video of the talk show.

  59. @anonymous

    Correct. Mass x Velocity = Momentum, which carried the fuel forward and explains the huge, roiling fireball outside the building.

    • Replies: @edNels
  60. @Chinook Wind

    Early wiring for explosives would be vulnerable to discovery and exposure. Rather, the buildings underwent a total power shutdown (for “data cable upgrades”) just prior to 9/11. Another poster here has noted the presence of “art students” living illegally in the buildings. These facts are available so best if you do a little more research yourself.

  61. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:

    OK, mr. physics…what is the amount of foot pounds of karoseen filled aluminumn wings @ 200 mph? and figure the area impacted too… as to the quotient of the impact area of the dangle of the angle… Well, I bet you don’t have that kind of analytical mind do you?

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  62. @John Q. Parvenu

    Interesting but you prompt many questions.

    1. Where is your full account to be found in which you tie up loose ends dot the I’s and cross the t’s? This anecdotage does well for the “oh, grandpa, do tell Jimmy and Maisie that great story about you and the crashing buildings” occasion but interested adults would like to read the grown ups full version.

    2. With your background expertise fortifying your conscientious sense of duty what did you do to help bring the truth to light and to prevent error in the official version?

    3. Where was your friend’s boss when your friend’s Pentagon office was demolished – a question which a smart person would certainly have asked? Did he survive? What answers did your friend get to his natural curiosity about why his boss kept him away? Were others also protected in that way and if not why not? Do you think the precision involved in your suggestive anecdote suggests that an area including your friemd’s office was used for radio guidance equipment to make sure the plane hit exactly as required to do only an acceptable amount of damage? Any evidemce of that?

    4. Of the thousands of instances of civil aircraft of all sizes not substantially following their original flight plans what proportion have resulted in interception by US air force planes capable of shooting them down, how long does it take on average between detection and interception initiated, and what rules do they have in relation to aircraft with civilian passengers aboard?

    Nice one mate! I looked at all the replies to your comment and they all loved it. Not one called you on it because they’re all believers. If only they had been as interested as I and asked questions..

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  63. @edNels

    Your question has less to do with the 30,000 kilos of kerosene (Jet A) in the wings, not to mention the other 30,000 kilos in the belly, going through the building structure after being introduced to it at 500 knots or so (926 kph), though that would explain the huge fireball. What you are probably looking to answer is why the 125,000 kilos of total aircraft mass didn’t follow the fuel out the other side; that comes down to whether or not the compressive strength of airframe is greater than that of the building at that speed, which it most certainly would not be. The fuel, being semi-gaseous at that point would have flowed, albeit turbulently, around the internal structure, as would a lot of the aircraft structure in the form of confetti, to the extent it was not combusted in the fireball.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @edNels
  64. @Priss Factor

    Doesn’t matter. The guy wasn’t a German, and should never been allowed to live in Germany in the first place.

  65. @Anonymouse

    I would appreciate knowing the source for the story of the Israeli dancers explaining their 9/11 role on Israeli TV. Thanks for the info.

    Here’s the official version:

    Despite the obvious disinfo laced throughout, it is still quite revealing, which, perhaps, is why the MSM don’t discuss it anymore.

  66. @Bill Jones

    Bill, that is the best truther post I have ever read! You had me rolling on the floor laughing! Then I remembered a bygone age when I myself believed the official narrative and felt ashamed …

  67. @Astuteobservor II

    @AstuteObserver…you mean “dead and burning in hell” don’t you ?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  68. @Rurik

    @Rurik…That’s because our gov and our higher up military has been infiltrated by TRAITORS who need to be tried for Treason, given a speedy fair trial, then a proper tar & feathering with HOT tar, and then a slow rail ride down to the hanging tree, where very slowly, as the tar cools, a noose is slipped over their blistered heads and around their seared necks. Then they can do their final dance when their treasonous necks break.

  69. Barzini says:

    Not that it really matters anymore, but there were no planes…..

    You’re all reacting to what you saw on TV – 911 was a TV show, beamed directly to billions of people – the biggest psyop since Neil Armstrong

    We are still only getting to grips with the unbelievable power of mass media control

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  70. @The Alarmist

    Likely the planes were travelling at a much lower, possibly half, speed than 500 knots at such a low altitude, air density and all that.

  71. @Barzini

    Interesting comment and I’ve heard this previously but I’m of the opinion the planes were piloted via remote control and did actually crash creating a perception that they were the source of the collapses. If I am wrong I would greatly appreciate any info or links to support your contention. Thanks.

    I did consider how peoples attention was focussed upwards that day but explosions alone would do that however there were hundreds if not thousands of cameras recording the second impact so I’m unsure how that could be faked.

    FWIW, I smelled a rodent the very same day when such detailed info on the suspects was released so soon. One of the warnings of false-flags is the speed at which the suspect(s) are identified and their actions detailed too quickly to be real. Things seldom work that way in the real world.

  72. Sophia says:

    Could Paul Craig Roberts please look at the comprehensive work by Dr Judy Wood “Where did the Towers go”, which examines the evidence at the site and concludes that the “disintegration” of the Towers could not have been caused by planes or a controlled demolition (as generally known) but by a form of Free Energy. The controlled demolition story is itself a distraction from the truth.

    Kind regards


    • Replies: @Boris Kazlov
  73. @Anonymouse

    None of the three replies to my question provides a link to the Israeli TV program interviewing the Israeli dancers. I can only assume that the author of this piece who cited it is not telling the truth. If there were such an interview on Israeli TV it would be a smoking gun. I found nothing by Googling it (9/11 AND Israeli TV AND interview).

    • Replies: @alexander
  74. alexander says:

    I believe Rehmats reply to you, comment # 65, not only provides the link , but is about as “smoking ” as a gun can get.

    So what is the next step ? Seize all the assets of all known associates and “sponsors”, and ship em off to Guantanamo Bay ?

  75. @TheHolyCrow

    I would rather they are cooked in real life, right now, over a small fire. it is what the people behind it deserve. it is what they put alot of people in those 2 towers through.

  76. bunga says:

    ” But there is another theory that the 28 pages and the 9/11 Commission report do not explore: What if al-Bayoumi was a Saudi spy who was investigating al-Qaeda at the request of the CIA?

    I believe that could be the answer and, if he was, could explain why the CIA took measures to prevent the FBI and the White House from knowing that al-Qaeda terrorists had shown up in California.

    Al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi were already known to U.S. and Saudi intelligence as midlevel al-Qaeda operatives.

    Before they made their way to the U.S., at the CIA’s request, al-Mihdhar’s hotel room in Dubai was searched by the United Arab Emirates’ intelligence service. At CIA’s request, al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi were videotaped by the Malaysian intelligence service while attending an al-Qaeda terrorist planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur. At the CIA’s request, the Thai intelligence service was asked to track them when they flew to Bangkok after that meeting. The Thais later reported back to the CIA, somewhat slowly, that the two men left on a flight for Los Angeles.

    About the time that CIA learned the two men were in Los Angeles, the possible Saudi intelligence officer, al-Bayoumi, found them and befriended them.

    The CIA is not authorized to run intelligence operations in the U.S. Even if it were, most CIA employees would have had a hard time making friends with al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi.

    A fellow Saudi like al-Bayoumi, however, would stand a much better chance, especially if he pretended to be an al-Qaeda sympathizer acquainted with people like the radical imam al-Alwaki. In the parlance of the intelligence world, such approaches to potential sources of information, using false pretenses, are known as false flag operations.

    If the CIA asked the Saudi intelligence service to approach al-Mihdhar and al-Hamzi in the U.S. then, it would have come at the same time that the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center (CTC) was trying to develop human sources inside al-Qaeda.

    It would have been entirely logical for the CTC to try to learn things about al-Qaeda by having someone from a friendly intelligence service run a false flag operation on two known al-Qaeda operatives. Because those two men were in the U.S., however, the CIA would have needed to coordinate the approach with the FBI.

    Had FBI been informed, however, it very likely would have vetoed the idea and moved quickly to arrest the two men. I knew very well the FBI personnel in charge of counterterrorism at the time, and they would not have hesitated to make such an arrest. That is also what I would have requested the FBI to do if the CIA had told me, which it should have and did not.

    If the CIA broke the rules about getting FBI approval and, in cooperation with the Saudi intelligence service, ran a false flag operation in the U.S. against al-Qaeda terrorists, that would explain why CIA managers repeatedly made decisions and issued clear instructions not to tell anyone outside the CIA the rather startling and unprecedented news that al-Qaeda operatives were in our country.

    It is possible that the false flag operation produced no information of value and the CIA lost interest in it.

    Nothing in the joint congressional investigation, the 9/11 Commission’s work or the CIA Inspector General’s investigation explains why the CIA hid its knowledge about these two al-Qaeda operatives.

    Also, nothing in those reports provides any reason to disbelieve the possibility that the CIA, the CTC and the agency’s top management hid a false flag operation that went wrong”


  77. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @The Alarmist

    OK, but what I was trying to say, was that the fuel filled wings even at a couple a hundred mph/ 500 kph =/-, would esentially react like water balloons against the sheetpile like exterior. Not that the engines and main frame wouldn’t purse it.

    One of the Archetects makes the point that, it would be akin to an arrow, remembering playing with bows and arrows, in the long ago… punching through your maiden aunts screen door, back when, back in simpler times, when we were on the land. The f’n screen door didn’t fall off its hinges, but the projectile went on through it.

    Now how do you answer Bldg #7 ? Silverstein needed the money so god sent manna?!

    And I didn’t mean to impune anybody for having less than a great understanding of physics, though it came close, but no… I just don’t believe anybody with spacial perception IQ, whould ever buy this crap.

  78. Akira says: • Website

    The official Paul Craig Roberts story has taken too many hits to remain standing. The collapse of any credibility, which, if memory serves, was gone after you hasbara social justice truther controlled opposition pigs betrayed and destroyed the antiwar movement from within, has been proven to have been a controlled demolition.

    The antiwar movement collapsed at free fall acceleration, which can only be achieved with a retarded oppositional subculture. An international team of scientists found that retarded oppositional subcultures are incapable of affecting any real politics, but can instantly produce the extreme stupidity that can destroy any opposition from the inside.

    Truthers were the ultimate patsies and their job was produce and infinite supply of retarded. I am sure they knew what was going on. Alex Jones is no dummy. He sells gold coins and survival seeds. He was a friend of Republicans and coached libertards on how to pretend they are not in an open alliance with neocons, with whom the screaming fat right wing idiots were uncomfortable with because they blamed them for their father’s castration.

    A disgusted psychiatrist long ago explained to me that truthers create bullshit stories inside bullshit stories, each with its badly constructed trail of nonsense, in order to create excuses for why they are such complete human failures. Such painstaking work can serve a variety of purposes. It can be used to embarrass or discredit the three hundred pound drooling fatty that has an unhelpful position on who owns the last bag of cheetos. The strategy is to have bullshit within bullshit so as to distract yourself from the fact that everyone else thinks you are a completely useless moron that smells like ass. Then if the retarded truther story gets into trouble, the backup retarded truther story can be released in order to deflect attention into a new false flag story or to support the original.


    Moreover, they have not explained why the libertarians would attack the very state that protects them from the slavering hordes of immigrants trying to steal the White Man’s food stamps. Anime porn is the long-time sex partner. They accept pieces of paper for working at McDonald’s, and then use the paper to finance their trips to the cheesecake factory and to purchase Twinkies, purchases that lead to larger and larger fat white people, thus spreading Hot wing sauce over larger volume.

    Within mere minutes of my being informed of the impact of Flight 11 into the North WTC tower — that is to say well prior to the delivery of the meatlover’s pizza with extra twisty bread — I knew that the Pentagon was intimately and inextricably interwoven into umm… something with jews and space lizards. And how did I know? In part, because as a youngster, I spent my entire life watching bad action movies and playing video games. By the luck of the draw as it were, I spent 10 years playing video games in a moldy basement, when combined with my subsequent 13 years of listening to Alex Jones as a vendor of complete and total bullshit, permits me to address with authority that particular aspect of the days’ events.

    2,500 lifetime incels and morbid fatty shut ins have called for an independent investigation of the failure of the pizza delivery man to bring enough napkins. A large number of commentators at the buffet have questioned the ability of the truther to “eat all of that”.

    The truther puppets blamed the Bush Zionist administration UFOs, which we know now were a creation of the Art Bell – in September 2001. Truther forces invaded the mall food court during the first week of October 2001 to “eat all the cheesecakes″. Later the retard Lobby shifted the blame to crisis actors, followed by Lizards, interdimensional Jews, space aliens, and now anyone who isn’t completely delusional. The proof is that most of the so-called “Truthers” turned out to be more retarded neo-nazi failures.

    I wonder if the truthers of 9/11 will ever have sex with a women? Maybe 50 years from now with a dead and rotting woman?

    After all that’s come out I’ve personally come to the conclusion that parts of the so-called antiwar movement contracted with the UFO retard Americans to provide us with a complete political failure. The Truthers scouted out and recruited people with the right psychology to to literally spend their entire lives arguing about a retarded conspiracy theory on the internet. They were probably trained to fling spittle across the table by the Alex Jones fat monster itself, since it have the chicken wings, prozac, and anal vibrators to enable them to secretly train
    some permanently damaged basement incels to discredit everyone else.

    The truther mind can be controlled very easily with UFO stories by the method of simple word sets and political consumerism, as the truther mind is extremely simple and that results in public manifestation of beliefs and actions extending from such emotive programming as video games and talk radio, it is almost Pavlovian in it’s simplicity in fact, and the perps know this and play with that vulnerability.

    They didn’t learn how to scream about UFO lizards here; the all you can eat buffets they attended only had small amounts of hot sauce and this was probably to create a severe diabetes epidemic. The cover story of how they were able to completely destroy the Antiwar movement was our Reichstag fire event, except with more fatties, whereby extra laws could be put into place and the public treasury could now be looted by all the fat white people on welfare, contracts given out for fatty wheelchairs aplenty, billions vanishing down the fat-hole in the greatest Cheetos and chicken wing grab in history, and oh BTW, literally MILLIONS of Iraqis WOULD DIE because truthers are useless, retarded traitorous pawns.

  79. @Sophia

    This theory of aliens destroying the towers has already been debunked as another deflection to the obvious truth: 9/11 was an inside job.

    • Replies: @Sophia
  80. Sophia says:
    @Boris Kazlov

    If you read the book – no Aliens involved. It is a detailed technical analysis of the site evidence by experienced engineers and quantity surveyors. The real perpetrators identity is left for others to consider – suffice to say that the perpetrators could not be unsophisticated terrorists but had to be people with significant means to access these microwave type weapons and to coordinate the media and institutional cover up.

  81. Rurik says:

    One wonders, was it baby-Bush or Cheney himself that gave the orders to classify the info re Mossad and 9/11.

    the chimp was barely allowed to even speak, and when he did, they’d all gasp at how stupid their White House ‘Ruprecht’ really was.

    Cheney was a high-level player, and could have given that particular order, but he wasn’t the guy who gave the orders from on high -like the person who ordered the FBI to release the Mossad spies without charges-

    and I have no idea who such a person is or what their name might be, all I can tell you is that he is a member of the tribe

  82. Rurik says:

    Why? Because keeping quiet about what they knew was in the American interest — the interest of the American Empire, that is…

    I’m assuming that your transposition of the tail and the dog is pure sardonic wry

    obviously it serves no American interest to squander our blood and treasure in pursuit of Ersatz SLC [shitty little country], while earning the well-deserved hatred of the entire world’s people

    indeed, by hushing up Mossad’s pre-knowledge of the 911 attack, it served America’s interest in pretty much exactly the same way it served the 3000 Americans’ interest who were consumed in flames (or crushed under concrete or asphyxiated slowly or jumped to their horrible deaths) on that day

    all to the cheers and dancing and wild howls of joy by our bestest buddy ever

    “it’s very good”

  83. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    I’m assuming that your transposition of the tail and the dog is pure sardonic wry obviously it serves no American interest to squander our blood and treasure in pursuit of Ersatz SLC [shitty little country], while earning the well-deserved hatred of the entire world’s people.

    I don’t believe Israel would undertake an operation like 9/11 or have any part in it unless with the full and provable complicity of the highest authority of the US Government.

    In fact, in the case of an op. like 9/11 I would expect that Israeli participation would have required bipartisan approval, i.e., of both Bush and Clinton, and indeed 9/11 was almost certainly in preparation well before the inauguration of Bush II. Consistent with this view is Clinton’s indignant finger-wagging rebuke of an “inside job” heckler, so reminiscent of his finger wagging statement to the nation that “I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”

    That is not to say that what is decided at the highest levels of the US Government may often be not only in the interest of Israel but decided in the interest of Israel through the work of Israeli agents of influence in the US Government, media, and think tanks.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  84. Rurik says:

    I don’t believe Israel would undertake an operation like 9/11 or have any part in it unless with the full and provable complicity of the highest authority of the US Government.

    no doubt about it

    That is not to say that what is decided at the highest levels of the US Government may often be not only in the interest of Israel but decided in the interest of Israel through the work of Israeli agents of influence in the US Government, media, and think tanks.

    no argument here

    but the point is that it’s always a question of what’s best for Israel, and never a question of what’s best for America/Americans

    in fact, I put it to you that if they consider the welfare of Americans at all, it is only insofar as how they can cause harm to Americans. Our elite don’t just slavishly do ‘what’s good for the Jews/Israel’, but they also, (from a contextual framework based on ‘what’s purportedly ‘good for the Jews’) do all they can to destroy the lives and futures of traditional Americans at every opportunity.

    Their trade deals are not just based on greed, but on equalizing the lifestyles of Americans (and all Western peoples) to the equivalency of the world’s poor. What do you think the whole ‘Global Warming’/ carbon tax scheme/scam is all about?

    Do you think it took all those elites by surprise when NAFTA and all those other treasonous trade deals eviscerated America’s manufacturing and good paying jobs? Fuck no! They want Americans to be poor and desperate. They like it when people are struggling and are easier to take advantage of. They want to be able to walk up and simply buy people (especially the young) like chattel on the street.

    It was the Fed that caused the Great Depression. It was the Fed that caused the housing bubble and the consequent global economic catastrophe, because that is what they wanted.

    All of these things are all orchestrated at the top, -and by the top, I hardly mean the president, who is a stooge to the bankster class. Duh.

    So my point is simply that what they did on 911 and what they do every day, is try to harm average, traditional Americans (who they hate with a passion). Sending them to die in far off wars for Israel gives them goose bumps, because not only are they slaughtering Israel’s enemies, but they’re also getting slaughtered themselves in the process! (such a deal !)

    And this has been going on ever since their world wars (for Israel). As Christian slaughtered Christian and out of the carnage rises Israel. Out of the smoking ruins of Europe and the graves of some 60 million Christians.

    And what is the monument to all those slaughtered Christians? The Holocaust museums, to remind the stupid goyim that he’s vile and wicked and get in there and do some more dying and killing for Israel/the Jews!

    just sayin

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @CanSpeccy
  85. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Our elite don’t just slavishly do ‘what’s good for the Jews/Israel’, but they also, (from a contextual framework based on ‘what’s purportedly ‘good for the Jews’) do all they can to destroy the lives and futures of traditional Americans at every opportunity.


    And the documentary, Clinton Cash, indicates why. The Western nations, having the most materialistic civilization the world has ever known, are naturally ruled by billionaires, many being Jewish, who finance and reward and the wannabe billionaires, mainly goyim, who seek elected office and will do anything the Money Power will pay for.

    The tradition of paying elected officials for political favors by way of after-office payments goes back to the early days of democracy, as revealed by Thomas Macaulay in his History of England, but the scale of payments and the systematic way in which the likes of Tony Blair and the Clinton’s go about collecting payoffs may be unprecedented.

  86. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Here’s one Jew who calls on Americans to put America first, last and always:

    Stephen Miller

    • Replies: @Rurik
  87. Rurik says:

    Oh yes

    there are legions of honorable and admirable Jews to be sure. I know a few, and of course some are renowned. It was Benjamin Freedman who opened my eyes so many decades ago.

    And there are none nearly so inglorious and execrable as the gentiles who serve as modern-day kapos for the Jewish oligarchs, sending other gentiles to their horrific deaths and dooming all generations to come (including many Jews) to perpetual debt slavery. For the life of me I can’t think of a Jew who is nearly as loathsome as John McCain or Hillary.

    At least the Jews believe they’re serving the interests of their tribe as they scheme for ways to boil us all alive. But kapos like McCain and Hillary fight to light the match on our pyre. If there is a hell, surely it’s deepest damnation must be reserved for those who betray their own to their enemies for some personal gain, (those thirty shekels, so to speak). So as condemnations go, it isn’t ‘the Jews’ who deserve our ire, but rather the politicians (and actors and businessmen, etc..) who serve them so eagerly.

    Lindsey Graham, et al ~

    • Agree: Kiza
  88. CanSpeccy says: • Website


    Western nations need both to fear and to emulate Jewish nationalism. In particular, there has to be an end to acceptance of the divided loyalties of Jews living in the West. Those who are not first for their country of residence should move to Israel. Then we, without reserve, could enjoy, respect and learn from the superb intellectual culture of the Jews among us.

    • Replies: @L.K
  89. Rurik says:


    can you imagine what kind of world could be achieved if the best of the Jews and the best of the Gentiles collaborated in a mutual agenda to uplift all of human kind?!

    with an end to wars and mindless slaughter?

    and an inviolate respect for all people’s absolute right to self-determination?

    we could reach the heavens and beyond

  90. quercusalba
    “My first and most important question is this: If this was a plot devised by Israelis or some other combination of peoples, who were the people who took over the planes? ”

    I cannot remember where I heard, that there is a good likelihood that the planes did not exist. That is to say that there is no evidence found at the “crash sites” that a plane ever crashed there. (That is to say the “planes” seen flying into the twin towers were holograms.)

    Passports were found in the ruins of the towers but no engines, no undercarriage and no bits of plane that might have been expected to fall into the street when the flimsy airplane crashed into the solid steel and concrete structures.

    In the case of the plane in Pennsylvania there was just a hole in the ground, no plane, no bodies, and no effort to recover any bodies.

    In the case of the Pentagon (well dealt with elsewhere in this correspondence!) there was again no wings, no fire (The smoke was generated by burning the contents of two dumpsters full of oily rubbish.) no undercarriage and the “Plane” made of thin sheet aluminium, punched its way through five steel-reinforced walls without leaving any visible trace of itself. Curious, to say the least.
    As if that were not enough, only two of the airliners are on record as having taken off that morning and one of them did not disappear from the register of flying aircraft until 2003.

    There is a row of shops whose cctv might have recorded “the plane flying into the Pentagon but unfortunately the Israeli company that owned them had turned them off for maintenance that day.

    One of the oddest accounts of the destruction of the towers is in YouTube and is called “The Third Truth”. Whether it is true or another “story within a story” I have no idea but it is fascinating anyway. Well worth a watch.

  91. @anonymous

    “anonymous says:
    July 23, 2016 at 11:56 pm GMT
    wings would not have enough mass to penetrate

    The wings were full of fuel, and the aircraft speed was more than 200 mph.”

    Even at 200 mph jet fuel is not hard enough to destroy concrete, never mind steel.

  92. @Bill Jones

    Bill Jones

    That is the best summary of the official account I have ever read. Congratulations!

  93. L.K says:

    CanSpeccy says:
    “Those who are not first for their country of residence should move to Israel.”

    So your solution is to make the lives of the indigenous population of Palestine even worse. Good one. In reality, this sort of proposal has zero chance of working in practice.

    Israel was created illegally and is an abomination. It’s also an extremely dangerous entity on so many levels. It has made the ‘Jewish problem’ much worse than it was b4 “Israel” was created.
    The best thing for the World would be for this thing to be dismantled.
    Anyway, “Israel’s” days, at least in the present form, are probably numbered. I believe it is a matter of time until reality imposes itself on it and forces it into changes or even collapse.

    CanSpeccy “Then we, without reserve, could enjoy, respect and learn from the superb intellectual culture of the Jews among us.”

    Say WHAT??? Surely you jest.
    What utter nonsense!
    You don’t seem to have much of a clue as to how much damage organized Jewry have done & continues to do, not only to the West,, but beyond.
    Try reading “The Culture of Critique” and “Separation & its Discontents” by Prof.K.MacDonald.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  94. tbraton says:
    @Bill Jones

    You have written a fine script for a hilarious screwball comedy, but I don’t think you will have a chance of finding anyone in Hollywood to produce it. I think it may be a little too screwball, and we know the audience for screwball comedy just ain’t what it used to be. Perhaps you should reverse the procedure which produced “Dr. Strangelove,” which converted a serious novel into a black comedy, by turning your screwball comedy script into a serious movie. Now that may sell.

  95. Rurik says:

    could enjoy, respect and learn from the superb intellectual culture of the Jews among us.”

    Say WHAT??? Surely you jest.

    some of my most treasured moments were spent with books written by Jews like Carl Sagan or Ayn Rand. (not that I always agreed with the later, but she had more balls than most men I know, Jew or Gentile)

    who can deny the genius of artists like Stanley Kubrick or Peter Sellers

    there are many of them whose gifts we can appreciate IMHO

    anyways, yes.. as long as they control the Federal Reserve Bank, we’ll all be made to suffer their more egregious depravities, but I nevertheless can’t bring myself to ignore some of their more sublime contributions

    end the Fed (their tool of absolute domination), and with assimilation and secularism, (repudiation of their vile racial/religious supremacism) I think we could all find a way to get along, no?

  96. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    “I don’t think it’s too difficult to fly airplanes into the towers if you have the basic grasp of how to steer the plane.”

    Clueless! Those 767’s were flying so far out of their flight envelope (Vne = 250 knots below 10,000′) that not only would they be uncontrollable, but they would fall apart long before they reached the Towers.

  97. Nice article. Probably agree.

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