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A number of Americans are discrediting freedom by the irresponsible way they are acting in its name. I have in mind those attending in closely packed crowds “freedom rallies” in protest against social distancing, closedowns, and whatever else authorities are doing in the effort to lower the infection rate in order that steps can be taken toward reopening. I have in mind also those in dense crowds protesting closure of California beaches. If there are infected persons among these protesters, the consequence of the protesters will be to spread the virus and delay any reopening of economy and beaches.

Those who are insisting that it is their right to go about as they please without a mask or any precaution are demonstrating their complete lack of social responsibility. Their behavior affects other people, and they most certainly have no more right to infect others than they do to go around with a gun shooting people. No one has a Constitutional right to infect other people.

A number of people have been conned into believing that Covid-19 is little more than the flu and no more dangerous, that only old people are threatened, and a number of other unfounded beliefs. This is not the report from pediatric hospitals such as the National Children’s Hospital in Washington, D.C., the Center for Heart Malformations in Paris, the Pediatric Intensive Care Society in the UK, and a number of others. Doctors in these hospitals are reporting that Covid-19 seems to be linked to a severe form of vascular disease in children that requires intensive care.

A successful reopening, one that does not have to be abandoned, requires intelligence and proper preparation. Testing and masks need to be available, venilation systems need attending, and the infection rate needs to be low and falling, as it it likely to rise with reopening. The infection rate needs to be kept manageable as doctors, nurses, and hospitals are stressed by the first wave and do not need a second and third.

Many European health ministers and a number of US state governors apparently have no appreciation of how to go about a successful reopening. Marc Wathelet again spells it out for the Belgium government. Hopefully all governments will recognize their responsibility to know what they are doing.

The health situation requires a delay in the implementation of phase 1a of the lockdown exit strategy by Marc Wathelet May 2, 2020

Dear Madame Wilmès, dear members of the Belgian government and parliament,

The government document which describes the measures taken by the National Security Council of April 24, 2020 specifies that “the whole of the following dates are likely to change according to the health situation and the evolution of the virus.”

The importance of this condition on the implementation of the different phases has been publicly underlined by Madame Wilmès and other government officials on several occasions.

The decision criteria for moving from one phase to the next are not publicly known, but the public health principles that should guide these decisions are well established.

Marc Van Ranst gives us an indication on these criteria by Twitter on April 26:

Replying to @ De7deDag @ Sophie_Wilmes and @MR_officiel

As a criterion for the start of the exit, it is NOT about the number of deaths (as was wrongly stated in the newspaper) but about the number of new hospital admissions. Said number has not been falling for a week and remains above 200 per day.

Marc Van Ranst also indicated in the press on the same day that it was necessary for this figure to drop below 100 in order to begin the exit from containment https://tinyurl.com/yc688kwa.

I don’t know how Marc Van Ranst arrives at this round figure, but I note that Yves Van Laethem informs us on April 29 that “the reproduction rate of the new coronavirus in Belgium measured between April 20 and 26 was 0.79.https://tinyurl.com/yb7j7ped, indicating that the transmission continues despite the confinement, even if it is slowed down.

This figure of 0.79 is so close to 1 that it does not take much to go back above 1. The reproduction rate depends on the frequency and the diversity of contacts between individuals, and if the measures of 4 May are not enough, those of May 11 will manage to make us exceed 1. As soon as we are above 1, we are back in exponential growth for the number of cases.

From a public health perspective, Dr. Drosten suggested that even with a reproduction rate below 0.2, the risk of resurgence is great https://tinyurl.com/yawt63tg. Why is a reproduction rate of 0.79 too high? Because the screening and tracing teams will not be able to follow. In the report of the group of government experts for the Exit Strategy: “without an extremely effective tracing […], the strategy of deconfinement presents a significant risk of resurgence.https://tinyurl.com/yav6r7no.

The government would have assembled a team of 2,000 investigators to ensure tracing according to this source, but is it enough? Countries that control coronavirus transmission well do this by testing ~ 33 times more people per day than positive cases https://tinyurl.com/y8he4c63. Over the last 7 days we have an average of 599 positive cases (PCR) per day, so we should be able to test a minimum of 19,767 individuals per day. However, this figure is underestimated since in practice too few people are tested today.

By taking the figures of new hospitalizations for the last 7 days, 155 per day on average, and multiplying by 5.26 (19% of symptomatic patients requiring hospitalization) we obtain 816 positive cases per day, but it seems that Belgium hospitalized only a fraction of those who should have been hospitalized and therefore a more realistic number could go up to double. Multiplied by 33, it is therefore necessary to be able to perform between 26,928 and 53,856 PCR tests per day, and this in addition to the tests necessary to monitor the progress of patients.

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This testing capacity can probably be reached without too much difficulty for the lower limit, but we are far from being able to cover the whole range. An even more limiting factor is the collection of the necessary samples, we are far from this capacity it seems (<15,000 / day).

For tracing, the contagiousness of the virus requires that screening and identification of contacts be done in one day https://tinyurl.com/y8he4c63, and there must be 5 investigators per positive case, namely between 4,080 and 8,160 investigators . With only 2,000 investigators under training, Belgium is simply not ready for phase 1-a, which begins on May 4.

By not following the recommendations of the experts group to count two weeks between each phase to be able to assess the impact of each change on the dynamics of contagion (since there is a delay of 10-15 days between infection and hospitalization), you guarantee that during the next CNS on May 8, the increase in the number of hospitalized cases will be small enough to pass to phase 1-b on May 11.

This decision would open the door to an upsurge of cases that we will not be able to control with our current screening and tracing capabilities (unless the change of season had a dramatic effect on the dynamics of transmission of the virus, on which we cannot not count). Our first lines are exhausted and traumatized, they don’t deserve that.

It would never occur to a doctor to say to a patient who wants to go back to work a week after having suffered a complete fracture of the tibia: “no worries, I’ll take the cast off, go back to work and we’ll see if that leg holds. ”

Belgium is not yet ready to break out of containment, that’s all. It would be a waste of the efforts of the whole population to get out of it too early, it would then have to be confined again and at a greater economic cost. We must wait until the virus reproduction rate is less than 0.2 and have the sample collection system, the screening and tracing system all in place, each at the required capacity, and all with adequate personnel protection: we’re not there yet!

And the government must be able to offer surgical masks to anyone who is economically active, much poorer countries are able to do so. Why not us ? None of the essential measures are sufficiently in place: the exit from confinement is therefore premature.

Ms. Wilmès, you took offense when the word “lie” was used by Jérôme Colin to characterize some of the government’s messages, and you replied “Lies, there will not be any. There cannot be any.” I agree, there can’t be any.

The word lie implies the notion of intention and it is a controversy that does not interest me. What we cannot tolerate, in fact, are untruths: whether knowingly told, the famous lie, or out of ignorance or incompetence ultimately matters little. What matters is that the government can base itself on truths about the reality that confronts us.

Whatever their intentions, untruths are unfortunately repeated by doctors who represent the position of the government and who allow themselves an anti-scientific position. The decision criteria remain unclear, divergent opinions are ignored without debate, and these untruths are taken up by the media, and amplified. It is impossible to effectively fight an enemy, this new coronavirus, if our intelligence about it is so faulty. These are untruths that kill, to call a spade a spade.

Scientists and doctors who do not belong to the circle of experts recognized by the government and the media have enormous difficulty in being heard. They find themselves in the absurd position of trying to convince a doctor that a respiratory virus is transmitted by the respiratory route…, that the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence…, and that in fact there is no absence of evidence, there is all the necessary evidence in the scientific literature to demonstrate that transmission by microdroplets suspended in the air in aerosol is the dominant mode of transmission of COVID-19. https://tinyurl.com/y7lm33cp, https://tinyurl.com/y8865rhp, https://tinyurl.com/y7gctbms, https://tinyurl.com/y8865rhp, https://tinyurl.com/y8czgf4k, https://tinyurl.com/uyfchvk, https://tinyurl.com/yc8yyas4, https://tinyurl.com/y9zlardu, https://tinyurl.com/y8m598a2, https://tinyurl.com/y7prwatu, https://tinyurl.com/y8mlkr9z, https://tinyurl.com/yax345ax, https://tinyurl.com/tsqbx8o, https://tinyurl.com/y9hwt8je, https://tinyurl.com/y77lw6ov, https://tinyurl.com/y7ebz85y, https://tinyurl.com/v97x8x7, https://tinyurl.com/ycsmj7zm, https://tinyurl.com/ycxgscza, https://tinyurl.com/uypzd8v, https://tinyurl.com/y8e5dctf, https://tinyurl.com/vsjswf5, https://tinyurl.com/qnu3cjd, https://tinyurl.com/y7m4tuaq .

If despite all the accumulated evidences, these doctors still had doubts about the aerosol transmission of COVID-19, deontologically the precautionary principle enjoins them to act as if this disease was transmitted by aerosol. Which they don’t do, it is professional misconduct that can only have dire consequences.

It is therefore simply unacceptable that in response to a journalist’s question on the potential role of air conditioning on the spread of the virus, Yves Van Laethem allows himself to say: “The spread of the coronavirus is mainly done by large droplets that we emit near us, at a maximum of 1m or 1m20 approximately, at least in the climatic circumstances that we know in our regions. But also by the transfer linked to the hands which would have touched these droplets. The importance of microdroplets which are airborne is unimportant for the disease itself outside of the intensive care setting, such as in malls and stores that use air conditioning. In the non-hospital setting, there is therefore no need to worry about air conditioning systems.https://tinyurl.com/yb7j7ped

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When such a falsehood is maintained as the official position of the government, the consequence is that no public effort will be devoted to the essential inspection of heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems across our country to ensure that they are not operated under conditions that favor the transmission of the virus or that they are modified to allow safe operation. The literature on this subject is very clear https://tinyurl.com/ybf36tp4, https://tinyurl.com/y8vsutld, https://tinyurl.com/y84ofn7f, https://tinyurl.com/ybzzle77, https: //tinyurl.com/y7ebz85y.

If this gross error is not corrected, the second wave will be followed by an even larger third wave from October, when the air heaters will be restarted and natural ventilation minimized. Heating, ventilation and air conditioning systems concern not only buildings but also all means of public transport. It is a source of massive contamination.

Likewise, Herman Goossens tells us about the transmission of the virus by children: “Children are absolutely no risk to adults and probably not even to older people. Absolutely not. No study has yet shown that a child has infected an adult or older person, none to date.”

This statement by Herman Goossens is anti-scientific: saying that there is absolutely no risk of transmission from a child to an adult is based on no solid evidence, but rather on the absence of studies that would prove this transmission. It is noted that it would be difficult to have epidemiological evidence of this transmission since the schools have been closed since mid-March. Again, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. The solid scientific data we have is that the amount of virus present in swabs does not depend on the age of the individual: there is no significant difference in the distribution of viral loads when comparing age categories of children and adults, and this is validated by three methods of statistical analysis https://tinyurl.com/ya3f3uap.

In other words, the concentration of infectious virus in the air of a contagious child is, on average, the same as that in the air of an contagious adult. Adults do breathe out more air, and therefore more viruses, than children, but the air exhaled by an infected individual is infectious regardless of age. There is therefore no scientific basis to exclude transmission by children.

It could turn out that COVID-19 is poorly transmitted by children in schools, we do not know since we do not have the experience. Certainly we want to do everything in our power to limit this transmission and the proper use of masks could allow us to achieve this goal. In the absence of masks, it would be surprising to find little transmission in schools, knowing that for the other respiratory viruses that are transmitted asymptomatically and therefore by aerosol, as does COVID-19, transmission through schools is substantial and well documented https://tinyurl.com/y7cc5t7o. Herman Goossens’ position today remains a hypothesis, and to take this hypothesis as justification for the reopening of schools is once again to ignore the precautionary principle, despite its importance to medical practice. Why ?

The possibility that COVID-19 may be linked to a severe form of vascular disease in children, which requires intensive care, which can affect the heart and which has features of Kawasaki disease, has been reported by pediatricians in several countries: at St Mary’s Hospital and by the Pediatric Intensive Care Society in the United Kingdom, at the Reference Center for Heart Malformations Necker in Paris in France, in Italy, in Spain, in Belgium, and at the National Children’s Hospital from Washington in the US. These pediatricians are all concerned about the significant increase in the number of children of all ages with a multisystem inflammatory condition requiring intensive care https://tinyurl.com/yd99dqce, https://tinyurl.com/ybuotma2, https : //tinyurl.com/ybze6d6s. Wouldn’t it be wise to seriously consider these alerts rather than directly minimizing them, as Yves Van Laethem and Dimitri Van der Linden do? https://tinyurl.com/y9tws9nu, https://tinyurl.com/ybtyltlg

Reopening schools when conditions do not ensure the safety of either children, school staff or ultimately that of parents and the rest of the population, while a new virus is circulating for which we have no treatment, no vaccine, and while this virus can cause severe illness or even death, it’s actually conducting an experiment on humans, as Nathan Clumeck recognizes https://tinyurl.com/y8uhuoh2. An experiment on human beings morally and legally requires the informed consent of the participants.

This consent is not properly informed because of the untruths expressed about the situation by the government or its representatives. Parents can choose whether or not to send their children to school. School staff can choose to continue or not to work, a choice not really free when a salary is at stake. But this choice is not offered to the part of the population that does not have a say in the matter, all those who can be infected following contamination in schools. Subjecting part of the population to such an experiment without their informed consent is in violation of our moral principles, our laws and the Nuremberg Code.

Spokesperson for the “Belgian Pediatric Covid-19 Task Force,” Dimitri Van der Linden tells us “Wearing a mask is neither necessary nor realistic at this age [5-12 years], children must live normally. We should not impose this mental burden on them and create a generation of anxious people. ” https://tinyurl.com/y8x29qxj

One wonders how a group of pediatricians may at first think it is unrealistic for primary school children to wear a mask. Look in China, children are capable of it, and in fact children love to imitate adult behavior: if we do, they will follow us. Then there is no reason to think that it would generate anxiety in children, teachers will be happy to explain that science teaches us that the virus is in the air even if we cannot see it, and that we all put on a mask to protect each other.

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Perhaps the youngest will need a few days to feel comfortable, as with all learning. They learn to look on each side before crossing a street, to put on their seat belts, to brush their teeth, all of which can only reduce anxiety when one understands how they protect us. One wonders how a group of pediatricians can think that the mental burden of wearing a mask, if it existed, could be greater than the trauma for a child to be responsible, involuntarily, for a serious illness in his family?

Mrs. Wilmès, since the very beginning of this crisis, the government and its experts have minimized the reality of the danger posed by this new coronavirus. Unfortunately, this error persists, the government and its experts still minimize the reality of the danger posed by this new coronavirus. It’s toxic. The result is that people are confused and the government is making decisions that are not based on the reality of the virus.

You defend collective intelligence to address this crisis, and if there can be no lie, there can be no untruth either. The motto of my alma mater is Scientia vincere tenebras, but science is powerless when the political power decides to listen only to the voices that suit it. It seems that in Europe the Age of Enlightenment has given way to a new obscurantism, and it is your responsibility as head of government to do everything to repudiate these untruths and rule the country on the basis of reason.

I had already communicated to you my rational plan to get Belgium out of confinement, and for members of the government and parliament who would not be aware of it, it is published in the Journal du Spécialiste https://tinyurl.com/yd5pk4n6.

When you make your decisions at the next National Security Council, it can be said that economic considerations will not trump health considerations, certainly, but politics is about reaching a compromise. A virus does not care about political considerations, it is transmitted as we breathe when we interact. Today’s reality is simply that we’re not yet ready to come out of containment. I cannot keep on trusting a government that would continue to reject the principle of reality, a feeling that can only be increasingly shared in our country.

(Republished from PaulCraigRoberts.org by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Levtraro says:

    Thank you Dr. Roberts, for delivering the letter and insights from Wathelet.

    Regarding the virus being transported by aerosols (droplets less than 5 micrometers in diameter, that travel up to 8 m from sneezing infected individuals), unfortunately the scientific evidence is currently supporting the hypothesis:

    https://science.sciencemag.org/content/368/6487/119

    This Science news article points mostly to a letter publihed by the National Academy of Sciences amd other studies in the US.

    In addition, there is this very recent paper from China that has been accepted for publication in Nature

    https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2271-3

    which also concludes that aerosol transmission is a serious risk.

  2. jsinton says:

    It doesn’t take a PhD to understand that when you implode the world economy like we are doing, that HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS…. MAYBE BILLIONS of people will die from all sorts of sordid circumstances. Will any of you talking heads atone in the coming years from the fear and panic you have caused? Pundits have the luxury of being wrong without paying a price. People in the real world can’t survive this experiment in human engineering. It’s too late to save a lot of the world economy. Millions of people are already starving. Don’t you care about that?

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  3. @Trish

    There is only one truth, but, many lies, misconceptions and self-interested ballony.

    Some lie with sketchy statistics which are based on incomplete data sets, like the ones you cite.

    But don’t let me hold you back from self-annihilation. Please, please, please embrace and kiss every person on the street or at work who has a sniffle and then do the same for your family at home regardless of whether or not they have sniffles.

    Best of luck with your and their recovery, if there’s to be one.

  4. Mr. Roberts, it’s more than mere, innocent ignorance that will bring on a second and perhaps even multiple new waves of infection. It’s WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

  5. I don’t get how humanity survived tens of millenia of novel viruses without giving up life to hunker down and survive … somehow we did. What really makes this any different?

    In the same way that we are dumbing down the intelligence of humanity as a whole by making things too safe for accidents and natural selection to cull the stupidest among us, this approach is doing double duty in stretching the lifespans of the stupid and the weak.

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  6. School staff can choose to continue or not to work, a choice not really free when a salary is at stake.

    You are correctly pointing out that the independently wealthy are the only ones with true freedom of choice in the US. So why not solve this by giving everyone Universal Basic Income for at least the duration of the Corona Virus Outbreak – like Trump wants to do instead of trampling on everyone’s civil liberties?

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  7. Roberts is usually a little smarter than this. He really drank the KoolAid on this one. How is he this dumb over something so obvious? Must have sold out….

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  8. joe2.5 says:

    Before cherry-picking one pop-science”opinion” (reporting some statements by the US medical establishment that we just had the opportunity of admiring at their criminal best), it would have been a good idea to check the basic data in the very many fact-based source articles. Wathelet saves the search effort by referencing almost all identified, mostly peer-reviewed papers in his links.

    The links are not working when clicked directly from PCR’s article. Use those in the original, they are working:
    https://www.sudinfo.be/id184369/article/2020-05-03/marc-wathelet-la-belgique-nest-pas-prete-deconfiner

  9. joe2.5 says:
    @The Alarmist

    “I don’t get how humanity survived tens of millenia of novel viruses without giving up life to hunker down and survive … somehow we did”

    That “we” doesn’t include the millions who fell by the wayside. Your statement does not only apply to epidemics: “humanity” did survive all the wars, too… so far. So let’s encourage and help war, given that “humanity” survived them. Couple more atom bombs won’t hurt.

    If your problem is about “humanity” surviving, how about you volunteering to be the first victim?

  10. joe2.5 says:
    @Trish

    These political and ideological “viewpoints” should be argued not with people, who do not command the viral transmission and replication patterns, but with the virus itself. Perhaps you’ll convince it to stop infecting, by forcefully affirming a know-nothing contempt of facts.

  11. swamped says:

    “A number of Americans are discrediting freedom by the irresponsible way they are acting in its name. I have in mind those attending in closely packed crowds ‘freedom rallies’ in protest against social distancing, closedowns, and whatever else authorities are doing in the effort to lower the infection rate in order that steps can be taken toward reopening. I have in mind also those in dense crowds protesting closure of California beaches”…such as in Orange County, CA? Newport Beach mayor, Will O’Neil has illuminated what autocratic “authorities” such as his state’s governor are doing to allegedly “lower the in-rate in order that steps can be taken”. Mayor Will explained in an interview: “Yesterday, Governor Gavin Newsom closed 43 miles of Orange County beaches, not because of data, but because of politics. .In our local hospital, we have 475 beds. They have never treated more than 25 people at any given time, and yesterday they had nine people that they were treating, and only one percent of their ventilators were being used.”
    “This has nothing to do with data, and it has everything to do with politics. I think what our governor did was, he looked up photographs that were showing a mile of beach condensed into about a meter. It looked like everyone was on top of each other. But he should’ve called me [first].”
    “Our governor should’ve fought beside us. He should’ve fought against this national narrative. Instead, the first time we heard from our governor was yesterday, last night, when he had someone from his office call us and tell us, ‘Your beaches are closed.’”
    The mayor followed up with a brief written editorial in which he put the local practical contradictions into sharper focus, while at the same time bringing out the larger principles at stake overall in this on-going tussle between freedom-lovers & fear-mongers, stating: “The fundamental question is whether Californians going to the beach is dangerous. A governor who shuts down beaches in the name of health and safety when open beaches do not actually threaten health or safety exceeds his Constitutional authority. The idea that Californians are in greater danger at the beach than they are when visiting Costco or Walmart, or for that matter, an open marijuana dispensary, is preposterous.” Hear, hear!

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  12. @joe2.5

    My point is that even as many as a few million premature deaths in a somewhat functioning world is better than condemning a billion or two people to premature death in a bleak, brutish world. That is the trade being made here.

    BTW, you are more likely to get the next big war in the world to which our “leadership” are taking us.

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  13. @joe2.5

    A virus is single-minded. It knows what it wants, and will not be deterred from getting it.

    Humans, on the other hand, are a quarrelsome lot, prone to generating data that supports what they want to do anyway.

    Gotta place your bets on the virus winning this one….

    There will be a second wave and a third wave and more….

    And–humans will be busy ranting and raving, pointing fingers and placing blame.

    Not a pretty picture, just the way it is….

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  14. joe2.5 says:
    @The Alarmist

    All right, you be the first person to make that “trade”, then. Not me. As for your worthless guess on my position re “our leadership”, said leadership is as detached from facts as you seem to be, but way more malignant.

    Let’s add that the general lockdown was not the basis of the Chinese success in controlling the epidemic. That was done by painstaking tracing, testing and isolating, not by total lockdown of the economy, which contributes little as demonstrated by the pitiful US/EU results. The lockdown was added by the Chinese because they were (justifiedly) expecting biowarfare. Our “Western” incompetents only retained a lame lockdown and skipped all the effective measures. All this is implied and/or stated in the background of Dr. Wathelet’s letter.

  15. @Justvisiting

    And at some point, the bug will fizzle out or become just another strain of Coronaviridae cold that will be handled ably by immune systems of the vast majority of those who catch it. One problem with locking people down is the lack of exposure to pathogens in general and this one in specific, which only serves to leave our immune systems better equipped. to handle this and other pathogens.

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  16. Firstly, there is no actual COVID-19 test:

    “I work in the healthcare field. Here’s the problem, we are testing people for any strain of a Coronavirus. Not specifically for COVID-19. There are no reliable tests for a specific COVID-19 virus. There are no reliable agencies or media outlets for reporting numbers of actual COVID-19 virus cases. This needs to be addressed first and foremost. Every action and reaction to COVID-19 is based on totally flawed data and we simply can not make accurate assessments.

    This is why you’re hearing that most people with COVID-19 are showing nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. That’s because most Coronavirus strains are nothing more than cold/flu like symptoms. The few actual novel Coronavirus cases do have some worse respiratory responses, but still have a very promising recovery rate, especially for those without prior issues.”

    Source: https://www.globalresearch.ca/manufactured-pandemic-testing-people-any-strain-coronavirus-not-specifically-covid-19/5707781

    “The claim of having discovered a new virus (COVID-19) is wrong (unproven).

    And the claim that the main diagnostic test (the PCR) can determine whether a person is sick or is going to get sick is also wrong (unproven).”

    Source: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/jon-rappoport/covid-two-vital-experiments-that-have-never-been-done-2/

    So, people that test positive are very likely just carrying some level of some virus, bacterial infection, etc. Further, the tests don’t measure viral load so there’s no way to tell if there’s sufficient quantity of a virus to sicken you.

    Secondly, CDC death attribution requires no actual test.

    No chance that’ll inflate the numbers.

    Lastly, Vitamin C/D will help avoid the issue and Hydroxychloroquine (along w/ Zinc & other antibiotics) will cure what presently has a 99.5% survival rate.

    The continued fear-mongering is just boring at this point. What it has revealed is more state propagandists, however, our dear Dr. Roberts among them, and this site is quickly becoming a hive for many.

    As for Dr. Roberts second wave concerns, I think the 8th wave is really going to be the Big Kahuna. Since that’s about 3 years out, I say we lock down the entire world until then.

  17. I see that Paul is in another of his gov-luv seizures. Most of this past two years he’s been sharply criticizing and skewering politicians and bureaucrats, and now he’s throwing a hissy fit over people flipping the bird to the same people that Paul has been raking over the coals.

    I think he must have gotten a new TV set, or maybe he recently subscribed to cable, or something, but he’s suddenly worshiping at the feet of government functionaries, like every TV addicted tardo I ever met.

    Hey, Paul, polish their shoes while you’re down there, will ya?

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  18. joe2.5 says:
    @The Alarmist

    Your message suggests that your familiarity with epidemiology, viruses and the coronaviridae that you mention is unfortunately skimpy to absent. None of the general rules of the thumb you mention applies across the board — especially not to this class.

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  19. nickels says:
    @ThinkinNOTstinkin

    -I don’t agree with sold out-but a strange turn of events.
    Exceptional proves the rule I guess-if you agree with a commentor on everything you would have to question yourself.

  20. @joe2.5

    Well, you know what they say about opinions ….

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  21. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Twodees Partain

    “I see that Paul is in another of his gov-luv seizures. ”

    It’s not an aberration, he’s always been that way. I’ve been reading his government worshiping crap for 20[?] years, or so, and nothings changed. I knew he was/is an anti-free markets, freedom hating socialist going on communist from the moment I first came across his writing all those years ago [probably on Lew Rockwell site, where really, he should never have got published in the first place].

    I’m continually amazed by the number of people who never understood this and could not see what to me was always “plain as day”. “Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice, shame on me”.

    Regards, onebornfree

  22. @swamped

    Authorities seem unable or unwilling (ie politics) to distinguish between indoor & outdoor activities. Short of the spring break, Mardi Gras type of activities most outdoor things are reasonably safe.
    Let people surf, play golf, have a swim etc & buy take-away food.

    • Replies: @MrTea
  23. joe2.5 says:
    @The Alarmist

    Do you know what should be said about crassly ignorant opinion?

    • Replies: @MOG
  24. @jsinton

    Bullshit. All they have to do, if they start starving, is threaten to hang their owners. You are full of, well, not so much shit, but trollification, doing your master’s bidding, c&ping talking point memo crap like this.

  25. A number of Americans are discrediting freedom by the irresponsible way they are acting in its name.

    A quality freedom thought up for a quality people.

    Obviously the quality got breed out.

  26. BuelahMan says:

    Let me see. Who to believe? PCR and his over the top scare tactics or Ron Paul?

  27. anastasia says:

    Mr. Craig: Sorry, but they did not do the test for the new virus strain properly, and therefore, one cannot say with confidence that a new strain was found. further, the Reverse Transcription PCR test is wholly unreliable. Even the doctor who created the test, Dr. Drosten in Berlin said you could use his old SARS test to test for Covid 19. That should tell you something. There are many other reasons that this test is wholly unreliable in determining if anyone has Covid-19, if Covid-19 even exists at all since they did not proceed properly in finding a new strain of virus. Lastly, the antibody test is wholly worthless. Anyone having a cold brought on by an ordinary corona virus would test positive on the antibody test. Therefore, can we say that people are dying of Covid-19?

    But let us say that there are people dying. Are they dying of Covid-19? The above suggests the possibility that they are not. So why are some people dying in the hospital?

    It is a known statistical fact that there is a 50 percent mortality rate for those put on ventilators, but for the allegedly Covid patients, that percentage goes up to 76 percent for those between 18 and 65, and up to 97.2 percent for those over 65. These are reliable statistics given by JAMA. In other words, putting someone over 65 years old on a aventilator insures death with a fair degree of certainty.

    In addition, the antimalarial drug that everyone is getting in New York Hospitals is a very dangerous drug for those with a G6PD deficiency. Those having this deficiency are 1 out of 10 blacks, numerous mid-eastern and Mediterranean people and some men of any race. This deficiency has no symptoms and many do not know they even have it, until one comes in contact with some anti-malarial drugs like hydroxyclorquine. Therefore, one in 10 blacks who are treated with hydroxycloroquine will die from the treatment, as well as many others of mid-eastern, Metiterranean and all others coming from countries that have malaria. In addition, for those who have diabetes, hydroxycloroquine can cause kidney failure, i.e. death.

    Lastly, those dying in nursing homes are dying because of treatment with morphine. Yes, they are receiving morphine to quell their anxiety. Any medical book will tell you that treatment with morphine must be done by the doctor very carefully and with precision at the risk of killing your patients. In the nursing homes, morphine is being administered, not by doctors, but by nursing home staff. Apparently, death shortly follows, so my guess is that they are getting a bit too much.

    There is another things happening in New York, and my guess is that it is also happening in other states. Our governor has by Executive Order suspended all civil liability for negligence by doctors, and all any other medical staff treating Covid-19. In addition, by Executive Order, our governor has suspended all the licensing laws for heath care workers, including doctors. For instance, if one has participated in some, or better, any kind of “medical program”, they may practice medicine in treating Covid patients. If one has gone to one year of medical school in a foreign country, they may come to New York and practice medicine in treating Covid patients, all without liability for negligence. In addition, while some who are permitted to treat covid patients must work under the supervision of a doctor, the governor has also issued an Executive Order which reads that if that person does NOT work under the supervision of a doctor, but takes it upon himself to act on his own, that person cannot be held in civil or in criminal liability. So not only are the licensure laws suspended, all are also given complete immunity from civil liability in treating Covid-19 patients. In addition, not only do they get that bonanza in their treatment of Covid patients, all those who come from out of the state or out of the country (unlicensed) also get paid FIVE TIMES the daily rate they get in their home state or home country. For example, a nurse’s pay in New York under ordinary conditions is $40-$45.00 per hour. The offer to out of state nurses (unlicensed in New York) is $117.00 per hour. (In case anyone was wondering why they came to New York).

    So, to sum up. Not only may unlicensed persons treat you for Covid, they may do anything they want to you without incurring any civil liability and sometimes criminal liability. Therefore, unless they have a very sensitive conscience, there would be no earthly reason for them to worry about killing you . In case you were wondering why there are so many iatrogenic deaths.

    Further, if one considers the distinct possibility that there is no new strain of virus, since they conducted the testing wrongly, then there would also be a problem, not only with treatment, but with diagnosis.

    So, you have nothing to worry about people dying from Covid-19 , but that is not to say, don’t worry.

  28. anastasia says:

    One last comment. I also find it a bit strange that while hospitals in New York have laid off nurses in droves, they have invited out of state nurses to come in an treat Covid patients at 5 X the rate they get in their homestate (and 3 X the rate of NY nurses) suspending civil liability for their negligence, and suspending all licensing laws.

  29. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @RationalRabbit

    “…[give] everyone Universal Basic Income for at least the duration of the Corona Virus Outbreak – like Trump wants to do…”

    Does he? That would be good. Do you have any citations, like a clip of him saying that’s what he wants?

  30. anastasia says:

    I forgot one last thing. The hospitals receive 3 X the amount for putting a Covid patient on a ventilator than they do putting anyone else on a ventilator. They also get paid more for treating Covid patients. This explains why one nurse said that everyone comes with with a Covid assesment until it is ruled out, and even when it is ruled out, the chart remains with the same assessment.

    So, there is quite an incentive to put someone on a ventilator. The CDC directives tell them to do it; they get paid more for doing so, and there can never be liable for doing so, even if you are unlicensed and don’t know what you are doing. It’s a win-win situation….for one side at least.

  31. @The Alarmist

    People do what they want to do–then they create theories and data to justify their actions.

    Same as it always was…

  32. timbuktu says:

    You keep referencing children’s health and children’s hospital and children everything else. If this virus was real it would have affected children FIRST. Common sense and knowing about viruses and children and immunity is just the basics of realizing that this virus is a communist hoax!
    Children have always been the most susceptible creatures on this earth to viruses because they haven’t been around long enough to develop immunity as an adult has. Children get more colds than any adult because there are over 200 cold viruses and by the time someone reaches adulthood they have become immune to many cold viruses!
    You should put down your pen and crush that computer keyboard and stop deceiving the people. You are but a small arm of the Fauci, Birx, Redfield fraudsters that have been on parade in view of the U.S. citizens spewing lies and medical gibberish and ridiculous charts and graphs to give the impression that they are so super intelligent when it comes to viruses when they speak lies! They, like you are nothing more than parasitic worms of Bill Gates worshippers!

  33. Mark Hunter says: • Website

    Luc Montagnier, a French virologist who was a co-winner of the Nobel Prize in Medicine in 2008, makes three major points and one minor one in the video linked to below:

    1. Covid-19 is an ordinary flu virus salted with short but working excerpts of HIV virus. Furthermore, these sections must have been inserted artificially, by human agency.

    2. He conjectures, as a possibility, that Covid-19 was created in a Wuhan lab in an attempt to make an HIV vaccine, and that it leaked out. He notes in passing that such research in Wuhan was partly funded by the U.S.

    3. The virus is mutating as it spreads so that the HIV inserts are disappearing from the base flu virus. He and his collaborator, Jean-Claude Perez, think this is typical of a contrived modification to a natural virus. They express the process as harmonization.

    4. After Montagnier was hectored about thinking that some (admittedly far out) contention regarding water should be investigated, he said that a possible effect of electromagnetic waves, such as those in the 5G system (which he noted is heavily implemented about Wuhan), on cells is worth investigating.

    If #3 is true there won’t be much of a second wave.

    Video

    Article 1

    Article 2

  34. MOG says:
    @joe2.5

    Maybe, maybe not. But you should certainly know.

  35. Great article. Thanks, PCR!

    Of the important points made here, these two really struck me: 1. Transmission from an asymptomatic person must necessarily be aerosol transmission. 2. Misinformed consent is not informed consent.

    • Replies: @anon
  36. MrTea says:
    @swamped

    The lockdown is preventing many people from getting adequate vitamin D from the safest and most healthful source: the sun. Not everybody has a backyard. If you search for articles on D–and I mean science journals not some bunch of bloggers–there is overwhelming evidence for how critical D is for the prevention of getting sick and for successful recovery if one is in fact infected. Here is one recent

    https://www.studyfinds.org/study-patients-low-in-vitamin-d-twice-as-likely-to-develop-severe-covid-19-symptoms/

    Sadly many if not most MDs are stubbornly resistant to almost anything positive about vitamins. I think they feel threatened by any means one can use that does not rely on them. Speaking as a survivor of bad medicine who twice had to go 180 degrees in the opposite direction from what the MDs said in order to save my own life (from severe asthma that I fixed by dietary control and unbelievably horrific dermatitis that I cured by fasting).

    Anybody know people who got killed at the hospital? One of my best friends went in for a “routine” bypass op which went just fine–except for the chest infection he acquired that killed him after a ghastly 5-month bedridden ordeal. They sure get a good press in the face of evidence like this

    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

  37. MrTea says:
    @animalogic

    That idiot governor in Michigan demanded that stores wall off sections selling seeds/potting soil/gardening supplies. In the Springtime. And what is the point of not letting people have paint?

  38. MrTea says:

    I just offer a couple observations regarding media behavior.

    Trump said something about UV being possibly helpful. Youtube promptly bans video by a company with a UV product. Story is at ReclaimTheNet.org.

    NYC subway currently sanitizing with UV. Don’t look for that story on CNN etc. Yes it was on Fox.

    There is evidence that ozone can kill the virus. https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-new-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas

    No mentions on the Official News Networks. I remember a Canadian company sold devices for house air cleaning on Art Bell years ago but the California Air Resources Board banned them. You can make your own though

    https://www.homemade-circuits.com/how-to-kill-coronavirus-with-ozone-gas-generator/

    Finally an ER MD from Dallas–he’s also a world traveler who shoots pics for NatGeo–is trying to get media attention for his evidence that the key variable in transmission is HUMIDITY. Curiously it appears to thrive and fly in LOW humidity. He says get humidifiers and it will stop it. He was interviewed on a local AM station but I web search in vain for his web presence.

    Also it tuns out the virus dies very quickly on copper surfaces. But everything in hospitals is formica and stainless steel.

  39. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    More on aerosol transmission –

    Why Coming Out of Lockdown Now Is Risky at Best

    https://www.unz.com/article/why-coming-out-of-lockdown-now-is-risky-at-best/

  40. anon[263] • Disclaimer says:

    PCR apparently does not believe in vaccines, and also appears to be suspicious of all health authorities, since the WHO and the CDC.
    So what does he expect, anyway? May people be locked in their homes forever?

    https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-cdc-is-actually-a-vaccine-company-robert-f-kennedy-jr/

  41. When Asian countries are compared to the US and Western Europe, the Asian death rates are 0-5 per million while Western Europe runs from 85 to 650 per million.
    There are two reasons for this: first, the WHO claimed in mid January that there was no human-to-human transmission , and then later recommended no travel bans as “counterproductive and unnecessary”. Asian countries ignored the WHO and followed their own Public Health policies, including rigid travel bans from infected countries and scanning people’s temperatures and health (coughing) arriving from all countries. Some infected brought the virus in but the miniscule numbers were easy to track, test and quarantine along with others in their “cluster”.
    Second, Asians shut down travel from homes, towns and regions in an effective quarantine. In the US, Governor Cuomo threatened to sue Rhode Island for attempting to stop New Yorkers from bringing in the “NYC flu”. Since then, excepting the West Coast which has done a great job, almost all outbreaks of covid-19 in the US have been traced to people leaving NYC and spreading the virus. Cuomo amazingly claims that 66% of deaths of New Yorkers came despite being locked down , sheltering-in-place in their homes. Evidently covid-19 is spread by the water or air in the state, unlikely the rest of humanity where it is spread by infected, often asymptomatic people.
    The Theodore Roosevelt has over 1150 cases (by PCR testing), they have had one death (someone with epilepsy possibly triggered by covid-19 who fell and struck his head). Only about 2% of Americans are vulnerable to death from covd-19. Locking the vulnerable up and going to great lengths to protect them is the way to go, NOT locking up everyone, destroying their jobs and losing their health care along with those jobs, and putting their lives and their very survival at risk until (if ever) “things get back to normal”.

  42. Hmm says:

    I have been detailing the data from the Johns Hopkins switchboard since March 5. The following is the data from earlier today. I am singularly convinced this virus has been fear mongered. There is so much more that I have as far as records and other data, but I think this is a good start for explaining why I believe what I do.

    May 16
    Gobal – 4,641,135 confirmed; 310,520 deaths = 0.0672975541461184‬ mortality
    USA – 1,463,350 confirmed; 88,447 deaths = 0.0604414528308334 mortality
    SoCo – 287 confirmed; 14 deaths = 0.048780487804878 mortality
    BIG – 76 confirmed; 0 deaths = 0 mortality
    HON – 414 confirmed; 11 deaths = 0.0265700483091787 mortality
    CUY – 3,223 confirmed; 163 deaths = 0.0505739993794601 mortality
    DAY – 500 confirmed; 13 deaths = 0.026 mortality

    The beauty of it is, we will know, probably in the next 18 months or so, who had the right of it.
    God help us if such evil manipulation is taking place.

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