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Many uninformed people are agitating for reopening the economy. That, of course, needs to be done, but not in the unprepared way that it is being done.

Widespread distribution of masks of the N95 standard are a precondition for reopening, but no preparation has been made. The masks are necessary, because the dominant mode of transmission of Covid-129 is by aerosol. The recommended social distancing is ineffective for viruses that are spread by aerosol. Unless special steps are taken, office building ventilation spreads the virus throughout the building.

We hear much about collective or herd immunity. It cannot be relied on. A significant percentage of recovered patients have little or no antibodies. The lack of immunity leads to reinfection.

Reopening runs the serious risk of setting off a second and larger wave of infections as the virus is carried into new areas. For example, the Florida panhandle has few cases as the beaches and vacation rentals were closed, and people from outside were kept from entering. As the panhandle is set for a May 1 reopening, people from impacted areas, such as Atlanta, will bring the virus with them. Keep in mind that half or more of the infections occur from asymptomatic transmission. As people can spread the virus for days and weeks before themselves showing any symptoms, areas that have so far escaped can find themselves overwhelmed. With no experience in treating the virus, they can suddenly find themselves confronted with large numbers of infected people. This is especially the case for parts of the Florida panhandle where medical services have not fully recovered from Hurricane Michael. Moreover, it is highly unlikely that the cleaning services available for weekly and nightly rentals have any way of sanitizing vacation rentals.

This is not to dramatize Florida vacation rentals, but to provide one example of unpreparedness.

I have been able to provide my readers with good information concerning the virus and its threat, because I am in communication with knowledgeable experts whose reputations are secure and who are not dependent on Big Pharma or public agencies. Marc Wathelet, an immunologist and virologist who has spent his entire career studying viruses and the immune response, shares with you “A Rational Plan to Come Out of Lockdown,” which follows below. I suggest you read the entire 12 pages as he explains in words you can understand the meaning of aerosol transmission and why the presence of antibodies is not indicative of a functional immunity status. In other words, those including health officials who recommend social distancing, no masks, and are banking on herd immunity have no idea what they are talking about. Indeed, their ignorance will get many people killed.

If you don’t value the knowledge that the 12 pages will give you, there is a 2 page summary at the end.

 

A rational plan to come out of lockdown by Marc Wathelet

1. The immune response and COVID-19 vs. coming out of lockdown.

The immunity potentially acquired against SARS-CoV-2, the new coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 disease that taxes our hospital systems, is an absolutely essential factor that must be carefully considered when measures are formulated to come out of lockdown. Individual and collective immunity are extremely complex phenomena, which depend on the innate immunity and the adaptive immunity of individuals vis-à-vis the infectious agent considered.

What we can read in the press today about deconfinement and collective immunity suggests that neither this complexity nor all the implications of the presence of antibodies in the population are sufficiently appreciated by experts who are pronounced, with the exception of Pr. Gala https://tinyurl.com/y7uu3ew9. As I have spent my entire career studying the innate immune response, I qualify more as an immunologist than a virologist in fact, I have prepared a primer in order to help you better understand this complexity as it is expressed in the context of SARS-CoV-2 and the pathophysiology associated with COVID-19. Plus some remarks on the implications of this complexity on deconfinement.

1.1 The innate and adaptive immune response, what everyone knows.

The first immune response to a viral infection is the innate response, it is very fast, powerful and generic, and it is not specific to the virus responsible for the infection. This antiviral response depends on cytokines, such as interferons, and immune cells, such as cytotoxic cells and macrophages, which reside in tissues and monitor the environment to detect and attack foreign bodies. Slower, but specific to the virus responsible for the infection, the adaptive immune response leads to the production of antibodies and cells that specifically attack infected cells to eliminate them, and thus reduce the production of viruses.

1.2 The adaptive immune response, not always what you may wish.

Antibodies, when they have the required qualities, help the body to get rid of the infectious agent, and their maintenance in the blood circulation and on the mucous membranes allows a faster and more effective response if the individual were to be infected again by this same virus. The presence of antibodies is not indicative of a functional immunity status, it is an essential point. For viral infections, the innate immune response must do most of the work since antibodies do not appear until several days have passed. For some viruses, such as HIV, these antibodies do not control either viral replication or the progression of the disease. For other viruses, such as RSV and Dengue virus, the presence of antibodies can worsen the disease and lead to death.

1.3 The adaptive immune response and endemic human coronaviruses.

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The “benign” human coronaviruses which are endemic throughout the world (229E, NL63, OC43 and HKU1) induce very little natural immunity in humans! As infected individuals develop antibodies against these coronaviruses, the immunity conferred by these antibodies is weak and unstable. Result? These human coronaviruses infect and reinfect the human population in the absence of an animal reservoir. The low effectiveness of natural immunity is not explained by a very rapid evolution of the facets of the coronavirus recognized by our immune system, because these viruses evolve more slowly than other respiratory viruses, such as the flu.

1.4 The adaptive immune response and the human coronaviruses SARS and MERS.

The human coronaviruses responsible for the SARS and MERS epidemics, which have emerged more recently, also induce antibodies, but a large fraction of individuals had little or no antibody and their ability to protect the individual is not resolved. Tests of treatment of SARS patients in 2003 using the serum of convalescent patients rich in antibodies did not lead to any clear conclusion.

1.5 The adaptive immune response and SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19).

A first indication of low natural immunity against COVID-19 is the large number of infected individuals in China, Japan and South Korea, and now in Europe, apparently cured but who after a few weeks fall ill again. Whether it is re-infection or the virus that is silently held in the body and then reactivated is not clearly established, but it is a phenomenon that does not occur when natural immunity is robust. Symptomatic individuals are contagious on average for around twenty days without treatment, which is much longer than for the majority of viruses, the only one which is comparable is the hepatitis B virus. In a COVID-19 case , an individual remained contagious for 49 days, and these long periods of contagiousness are also indicative of low natural immunity. These observations suggest that the new coronavirus too may induce ineffective natural immunity.

1.6 The presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19).

Early reports suggest that natural immunity to COVID-19 is not robust either. Indeed, among people positive for the virus by PCR and tested after their cure, 6% have an undetectable level of antibody, 24% have a low level of antibody and 17% a moderately low level https://tinyurl.com/t8rp3fj, results confirmed semi-quantitatively at the University of Mons https://tinyurl.com/ydz29jdj. In this regard, it is quite incomprehensible that the government prohibits tests that would quantify these antibodies, no rational justification comes to mind and this is a provision which must be changed without further delay to allow Belgian researchers to work on this topic.

1.7 Antibodies to COVID-19, protection or exacerbation of the disease?

An antibody a priori can have a protective effect, a deleterious effect, or no effect. The deleterious effect occurs for example when the antibody instead of neutralizing the virus by binding to it, promotes the introduction of the virus into the sentinel cells of the lungs, the macrophages, and this attack leads to an exacerbation of the disease. . This is the case for the human respiratory syncytial virus against which a vaccine had been produced but which had led to deaths when the vaccinated children were then infected with this virus; this is also the case for Dengue viruses. There are no vaccines for human coronaviruses, but for coronaviruses that infect economically important animals, some of these vaccines protect, others worsen the disease or have no effect. Any vaccine candidate against COVID-19 should therefore be thoroughly tested to ensure that they are not dangerous but effective.

1.8 The amount of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is correlated with the severity of the disease, not with protection against the disease.

Anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies appear between 10 and 15 days after the onset of symptoms, which corresponds to the critical period in the progression of the disease, where the condition of some patients worsens rapidly. There is an association between a high titer of anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies and a more serious clinical condition (p = 0.006), and this increase in titer is not always accompanied by a decrease in viral load https://tinyurl.com/y8t3vavd. These observations suggest that not only are the antibodies insufficient to clear the virus, but more importantly that they may be involved in an exacerbation of the disease, as observed for SARS patients in 2003 https://tinyurl.com/ybxlzspm. In different strains of mutant mice, the absence of NK, T and B cells does not lead to more severe disease, indicating that the cellular innate response and the adaptive response play only a minor role in controlling SARS-CoV . In a mouse infection model with SARS-CoV, the presence of antibody induced by vaccination reduces viral replication but leads to Th2 type immunopathology https://tinyurl.com/yboauzt3. Similarly in a model of macaque infection with SARS-CoV, the presence of anti-Spike antibodies leads to very severe inflammation of the lungs linked to the pro-inflammatory polarization of alveolar macrophages https://tinyurl.com/yanmfrj9. In conclusion, we absolutely cannot rely on natural immunity to control the spread of COVID-19.

1.9 From the absence of symptoms in intensive care, the spectrum of COVID-19 manifestations.

SARS-CoV-2 can infect all ages, and for the resulting disease, COVID-19, the severity of symptoms increases with age and with the presence of co-morbidities, as is the case with most infections, with the notable exception of the respiratory pandemic of 1918-1919. The virus initiates its replication in the sinuses, throat, airways (bronchi and bronchioles), or in the respiratory parenchyma where gas exchanges between blood and air take place. The first week is typical of respiratory infections with one or more flu-like symptoms, and it may progress to atypical pneumonia that requires hospitalization. In atypical pneumonia, it is the respiratory epithelium that is affected, and if it is compromised the gas exchange suffers and the level of oxygen transported by the blood decreases, which puts the life of the patient in danger. The virus also affects blood capillaries, which further decreases gas exchange, increases the risk of pulmonary thromboembolism, which the presence of antibodies can worsen by activation of the complement, and leads the virus to other organs, especially the intestines, kidneys, heart and nervous system. It is too much inflammation of the lungs that may require intubation, and even lead to respiratory arrest and death. Even for patients who survive without the need for intubation, respiratory, cardiac, hepatic and neurological sequelae can be serious, and impose significant individual and collective costs.

1.10 Collective immunity requires good individual immunity.

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One of the implications of the high basic reproduction rate R0 of COVID-19 is that a large proportion of the population must be well immunized individually to ensure collective immunity, namely 85% for an R0 ~ 7 https://tinyurl.com/srmx5fd, https://tinyurl.com/sjjfpdn, https://tinyurl.com/ycgu3qgm. As natural immunity depends on the quantity of antibodies present, it seems unlikely that the 85% of effective individual immunity necessary for collective immunity can be reached when 30% of the population has little or no anti-COVID-19 antibody. An R0 ~ 7 is the largest estimate in the literature, chosen according to the precautionary principle. Even with a value of only 4 for R0, 75% effective individual immunity would be required. It seems clear that collective immunity cannot be relied on to stop the spread of COVID-19 when the individual level of antibody is often low and when a high level of antibody is associated with an exacerbation of the disease.

1.11 It is not always possible to make an effective and safe vaccine.

In the absence of sufficiently robust natural immunity against COVID-19, vaccination is an option, but not a guarantee. Thus, natural immunity against the human immunodeficiency virus is almost nonexistent, and no vaccine has been developed against this virus which is sufficiently effective. Indeed, it is not enough to have enough antibodies against a virus, they must also be of good quality and that they can follow the evolution of the virus. While it is possible that in the natural course of the disease, anti-SARS-CoV-2 antibodies would be an aggravating factor, it is also possible that protective immunity would be induced by a vaccine, if and only if the antibodies can prevent progression to the second phase of the disease where they would be toxic.

Any vaccine candidate against COVID-19 should therefore be thoroughly tested to ensure that they are not dangerous but effective.

2. Transmission of COVID-19, implication for deconfinement

2.1 Aerosol transmission of COVID-19: the world must face reality.

I have a dispute with WHO and Sciensano (NdT an official Belgian Institute) about the mode of transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and this must be resolved because this question completely conditions the deconfinement strategy.

An article published in the scientific journal Environment International has just been published and its title is very unusual for a scientific article: “the airborne transmission of SARS-CoV-2: the world must face reality” https://tinyurl.com/y7tndf24. When the authors speak of the world, they specify the WHO and governments around the world, and they underline the extreme importance of the recognition by national authorities of the reality of aerosol transmission: it is necessary that they put in place adequate control measures to prevent the transmission of COVID-19 by aerosol.

2.2 What is an aerosol? And why is this mode so important?

The internal surface of the lungs, the alveoli where gas exchange takes place, corresponds to that of a tennis court. This surface is moist so that with each breath the exhaled air has microdroplets coming from this surface, it is the Venturi effect as for a carburetor. These microdroplets remain suspended in the air, and their existence can be easily verified by blowing on a cold window: the fogging that forms is the result of the condensation of these microdroplets; if you pass your finger over this fogging, drops become visible. As with a carburetor, the greater the air movement, the more the liquid is entrained, and therefore speaking, singing, shouting, coughing, sneezing gradually increases the production of this aerosol, of these microdroplets, independently of the production of droplets which can accompany speech and that accompany sneezing.

These expired microdroplets form a cloud that is normally invisible, unless it is cold enough for the microdroplets to condense into fog. When a person is contagious, these microdroplets are infectious and can remain infectious for a long time (hours), floating in the air and being able to move over long distances, very much greater than the separation distance recommended today in Belgium (in the in the case of foot-and-mouth disease in England, aerosol transmissions over tens of kilometers have been observed).

One might think that these clouds of infectious particles disperse quickly, but in the absence of turbulence, the fluid mechanics tells us that they do not, and the observation of clouds in the sky confirms to us that if they can deform, the clouds are not quickly diluted in the air by wind but move with the wind (the clouds in the sky being aerosols, too). Likewise the smell of cooking, someone who is barbecueing in his garden for example, can be perceived over long distances if the observer is downwind. And of course aerosol transmission is much more problematic in confined spaces.

2.3 Asymptomatic transmission involves aerosol transmission.

A study indicates that 79% of cases of COVID-19 transmission are not documented (people who are asymptomatic or whose symptom is so minor that it is not recognized) https://tinyurl.com/tpx4css. A Belgian study indicates that 50% of transmissions are asymptomatic https://tinyurl.com/yc3r3592.

The implication is undeniable: asymptomatic transmission, where, by definition, the contagious individual has no symptoms, and therefore in particular has no runny nose, no sneezing, no cough, and therefore no possibility of producing droplets capable of contaminating a physically close individual or a surface, the only modes of transmission recognized by the WHO and Sciensano, can only occur by aerosol!

And since even symptomatic transmission also involves aerosol transmission, it is undeniable that the dominant mode of transmission of COVID-19 is by aerosol.

2.4 The consequences on public health measures of aerosol transmission.

WHO and Sciensano continue to recommend social distancing and personal protection measures that are not suited to the reality of the transmission of COVID-19 by aerosol. I do not criticize Sciensano for pleasure, and I defend their point of view when they are right, for example on the question of mortality in Belgium https://tinyurl.com/yb8tj6qq. But on the aerosol question they are mistaken. For specialists in the biology of infectious aerosols, there is no doubt that COVID-19 is transmitted by aerosol: “it is a no-brainer” https://tinyurl.com/w2tt7rx. For Professor Gala, “The distance of 1m50 is rubbish. We know that it is a distance which is absolutely minimal and which does not correspond to anything. Https://tinyurl.com/y7wk52ha.

Social distancing is simply ineffective for viruses that are transmitted by aerosol. Only the masks allow a crowd density compatible with an almost normal economic activity.

2.5 Consequences on ventilation systems of aerosol transmission.

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Air confinement promotes aerosol transmission. The ventilation systems are complex and specific to each building, and they must be reconsidered individually in all public or corporate access buildings to prevent them from promoting and amplifying aerosol transmission. If the air is circulated in the building, it is imperative that it goes through decontamination (UV, HEPA filters) before being redistributed, and that the distribution sequence does not transport the air from room to room .

2.6 The contagiousness of COVID-19 is measured by its basic reproduction rate, R0, and the speed of its propagation by the doubling time.

The WHO tells us in its first report that the basic reproduction rate R0 of COVID-19 is

2.5 as during the SARS epidemic in 2003, and a doubling time of 6.7 days; this information is included in the scientific literature. The first independent publication estimates the R0 to be between 4.4 and 6.7 with a doubling every 2.4 days https://tinyurl.com/sjjfpdn, the second estimates an R0 of 7.05 https://tinyurl.com/srmx5fd, and the third of 6.22 https://tinyurl.com/ycgu3qgm. The first implication is that the virus is much more contagious than announced by the WHO and observations in Europe confirm it, with doubling times before confinement of 3.3 days for Italy and 3.2 days for Belgium for example. While I criticize the WHO for many aspects of its response to COVID-19, I note that a virus mutates and that different strains will each have a certain R0 and that in vitro we can observe marked differences in the replication speed of the virus https://tinyurl.com/y7bgzvse.

2.7 Differences in the presentation of SARS and COVID-19.

While all of the WHO recommendations are essentially a copy and paste of those for SARS in 2003, SARS and COVID-19 are two very different diseases. In one study, the first swabs returned positive for SARS-CoV-2 were the day after the first symptoms that were mild or predictive of the disease. All the diagnostic tests were positive between D1 and D5. This is a notable difference from what is observed in SARS where the peak of the viral load is observed between D7 and D10. This study also shows that the viral load in COVID-19 disease can reach a peak before D5 and that, moreover, it is more than 1000 times higher https://tinyurl.com/y92tpc79. These observations are in agreement with the epidemiology, which indicates that for SARS transmission was observed only from D5, while for COVID-19, transmission occurs mainly before the onset of symptoms. Also, the observation that the majority of transmission of SARS was to relatives and medical staff, while the majority of transmission of COVID-19 is undocumented and in the community, can only be explained by very different modes of transmission. With a much higher viral load for COVID-19, these observations explain the huge difference in the spread of SARS-CoV-1, some 8,000 cases in 6 months, vs. more than two million for SARS-CoV-2 in the same time frame.

2.8 Differences in the transmission of SARS and COVID-19 in children.

The fact that for SARS transmission in schools was not a significant phenomenon is very well explained by the differences in transmission of this disease. A child who is contagious only 5 days after the onset of symptoms will simply not be present at school! On the other hand for influenza, which is transmitted like COVID-19 in an asymptomatic way, the accumulated evidence indicates that transmission in schools is a phenomenon which is very important quantitatively when the transmission of the virus can be done in an asymptomatic and aerosol manner. Scientific evidence indicates that the utmost caution should be exercised before schools reopen, and that the lack of a means to prevent aerosol transmission can only lead to a second wave.

In terms of government communication, after insisting that children were at great risk of infecting their grandparents, the message is now no worries about it? Besides the fact that this is a misreading of science, the answer on social networks is that it is a repetition of “masks are useless for the public”, who does the government take us for?

3. Masks and others to limit aerosol transmission.

The distance of 1 to 2 m according to the countries would be suitable for a virus which is transmitted little or not by aerosol, like SARS in 2003 and MERS in 2012, but not at all for the viruses that are transmitted by aerosol and asymptomatically, especially when this mode of transmission is responsible for the majority of cases, as for COVID-19. For Professor Gala, it is necessary to impose the wearing of a mask, “because the wearing of a mask is the second essential pillar to avoid increased transmission in the population and a rebound effect”. Because, for him, the social distancing of 1.5 m it does not work https://tinyurl.com/y7wk52ha. The Royal Belgian Academy of Medicine recommends wearing a mask for the population during this period of COVID-19 and while coming out of lockdown.

3.1 What masks for the Belgian citizen, fabrics vs. surgical?

It seems that the GEES (NdT a Belgian government task force) is going to recommend the wearing of a fabric mask for the population, as a complement to hygiene and social distancing, and this recommendation is completely insufficient. At a time when many less wealthy countries than Belgium distribute surgical masks for free or at very low cost to their population, why should we be satisfied with fabric masks, when surgical masks are 4 times more effective, and therefore reduce transmission between those who wear them by a factor of 16 (4 x 4) compared to cloth masks? We will inevitably have a second wave, and surgical masks for the entire population can only contribute massively to the flattening of the curve.

3.2 What masks for the Belgian citizen, surgical vs. FFP2 (N95)?

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It seems to me that the government would be particularly inspired to recommend the wearing of masks capable of limiting aerosol transmission for everyone, so not only could we flatten the curve but actually squash it. Indeed, surgical masks are of limited effectiveness in stopping aerosol transmission. They are the ones who equipped the medical staff in Wuhan and 3,000 of them were infected. On the other hand, the 42,000 personnel sent in reinforcements but equipped with FFP2 did not have to deplore any contamination. Wearing the FFP2 mask is particularly beneficial for people at risk, but everyone can help protect these people by not becoming a link in the transmission chain and the best way is that everyone is equipped with FFP2. Let’s not impose the wearing of FFP2, but let’s explain that everyone would benefit, directly and indirectly.

Another considerable advantage of the generalized wearing of FFP2 masks is protection against pollution by fine particles, which has a significant socio-economic cost. The standard is 35 to 70 µg / m3 depending on their size and it is exceeded in Belgian agglomerations where concentrations above 50 to 100 µg / m3 are regularly observed. The impact of fine particles on health is considerable in Europe, and consequently the impact on health budgets. The widespread use of FFP2 masks when people are moving around the city is a measure that will reduce these costs and improve the health of the public.

3.3 What masks for the Belgian citizen, Belgian innovation?

FFP2 (N95) masks may seem too expensive for the average person if they have to be replaced daily. This is not necessary, one needs masks with good elastic bands like certain models, of course, but they can be reused without danger and sterilization is not even essential for the individual (in experiments, it is very difficult to isolate infectious virus from FFP2 exposed to an aerosol of enveloped virus, because the virus will stick on the filter fibers and only the nucleic acid can be recovered). These FFP2 masks are an intermediate solution, like the fabric masks before them.

Two Belgian companies consulted me for the design of masks that would be more effective than FFP2, NanOx masks: two models for medical personnel and one for the general public, in all sizes. They are based on silicone and a filter cartridge, and fit the face much better than FFP2, not only on inspiration, but also on exhalation. NanOx tells me about a production capacity of 50,000 masks per day which could be increased to 200,000 days. My consultation was free and I have no financial interest. I think this is a very good approach and certainly they will not be the only ones on this market, many comfortable and reusable masks to protect from FFP2 / 3 dust already exist. It seems to me that the government would be inspired to pursue the path of NanOx and other manufacturers capable of producing comfortable masks that protect from aerosols and fine particles.

In general, the masks allow return to work, taking public transport, safe access to shops, and the resumption of public education. The more effective the quality of these masks is in controlling aerosols, the less transmission of the virus will occur and therefore the less risk of a second wave requiring the confinement of part of the population.

3.4 Screening and tracing.

The benefits of rapid detection of cases presenting a single flu symptom and the identification and screening of those with whom they have been in contact recently seem to me to be well understood by the government when I hear minister Philippe De Backer’s statements on this topic. The mobilization of 2,000 people for the tracing is necessary and it remains to be seen whether it is sufficient according to the intensity of the second wave, but I trust that we will adapt. However, I would like to make two practical suggestions. The first concerns the collection of samples for PCR in patients with flu-like symptoms, who suffer from a significant proportion of false negatives (30-50%), a situation which seriously limits the effectiveness of the screening / tracing approach.

In addition to nose or throat sampling, I also propose to collect a respiratory sample by the individual blowing into a tube terminated by a filter to collect the aerosol, a filter which is then transferred to Trizol or another nucleic acid stabilizer for later extraction. The time it takes to blow into the tube and collect enough material to detect the virus can be determined in preliminary tests with COVID-19 positive patients. It is a method used at the Lovelace Respiratory Research Institute where I worked for seven years; we used a common PCR technique to increase sensitivity (nested PCR).

I also propose, in addition to the lifting of the ban on serological tests for research laboratories, systematic serological screening of the population when individuals have a blood test for another reason, because then the cost is minimum and this information is important for the health of the individual in view of the possible sequelae to COVID-19.

3.5 Large-scale decontamination of public places.

The use of snow cannons has been suggested to disinfect public places, but the choice of agent to use is important. Chlorine dioxide gas (ClO2) is the disinfectant for public places that I recommend, it is very well understood and leaves no pollution after use. It must be produced on site due to the instability of this gas, and the cleanest reaction to obtain it is a mixture of sodium chlorite and hydrochloric acid: 5NaClO2 + 4HCl → 4ClO2↑ + 5NaCl + 2H2O. (we can also start from sodium chlorate which is cheaper: 5NaClO3 + 6HCl → 6ClO2↑ + 5NaCl + 3H2O).

4. Medical interventions and exit strategy.

COVID-19 is a new disease and new information is emerging every day about the most promising approaches to treat it. Many clinical trials are underway and their results are being analyzed. The pandemic situation seriously complicates these clinical studies, but it is probable that effective antiviral molecules will eventually be identified among the candidates studied: hydroxychloroquine, remdesivir, ivermectin, interferons, macrolides, zinc (cation), and vitamin C in high doses intravenously, for example.

The pandemic situation led to an antiviral intervention that was too late for most patients, only severe cases were admitted to hospital, a time when antivirals no longer made a difference. However, a number of general practitioners have developed approaches that appear to be beneficial to their suspected COVID-19 patients, even if it is under conditions that do not meet the demands of a medicine based on strict evidence, given the urgency of the situation.

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I propose that instead of prohibiting any treatment of COVID-19 cases by general practitioners, such as for example the prohibition of hydroxychloroquine outside the hospital context at the start of the pandemic, we allow these doctors the freedom to prescribe what their experience and conscience dictate and in informed consent with the patient, with a monitoring framework at the national level so that the results are usable. The side effects of these drugs are well understood and controlled. This approach will reduce the pressure on the hospital system and thus facilitate coming out of the lockdown.

4.1 Medical interventions: hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + Zinc.

Dr. Raoult proposed a controversial treatment. Studies that use this treatment too late can only conclude that it is ineffective, and the others lack control. However, a study in Brazil on 636 symptomatic outpatients tested the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin: 412 started treatment and the 224 who refused it were used as a control group. The need for hospitalization was 1.9% for the treated and 5.4% for the control group; for those who started treatment before, instead of after, 7 days since the onset of symptoms, these figures were 1.17 and 3.2% (p <0.001) https://tinyurl.com/ycef2we4. Similarly, a study on 699 patients concluded that the combination of hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin + Zinc was effective https://tinyurl.com/qtllljl.

4.2 Medical procedures: azithromycin or other macrolide + Zinc.

Doctors in northern France have used azithromycin, or another macrolide, + Zinc due to the unavailability of hydroxychloroquine, with good results that have yet to be validated more rigorously. Zinc interferes with viral replication and azithromycin, an antibiotic, has intrinsic antiviral activity that may be linked to its mitochondrial toxicity. Indeed, viral replication depends on the inhibition of apoptosis and the stress of the mitochondria can promote this apoptosis, and therefore the elimination of infected cells. It is also possible that the effect of the replication of the virus in the lungs influences the flora, the microbiome, present in the lungs and that antibiotics prevent the emergence of harmful strains. Whatever the mechanism, the effect of macrolides and Zinc led to a clear clinical improvement, the main limitation of these studies is that the cases were presumed COVID-19, unconfirmed.

4.3 Medical procedures: ivermectin.

Ivermectin causes an influx of chlorine ion and thus exerts a broad anti-parasitic action. Ivermectin treats onchocerciasis (river blindness), a public health problem in Africa, as well as lymphatic filariasis. In vitro, ivermectin very effectively suppresses the replication of SARS-CoV-2 with a single dose https://tinyurl.com/ya4vmnhz.

The Malagasy government has announced very good results based on plants, artemisia and ravensara, (one of which contains arteminisin, which, like hydroxychloroquine, is an antimalarial treatment).

5. Conclusions

5.1 We cannot count on collective immunity

It seems clear that collective immunity cannot be relied upon to counter the spread of COVID-19 when the individual level of antibody is often low and when a high level of antibody is associated with an exacerbation of the disease .

5.2 The dominant mode of transmission of COVID-19 is by aerosol.

One cannot conceive of a serious lockdown exit strategy that does not accept this reality.

5.3 Social distancing is simply ineffective for viruses that are transmitted by aerosol.

Only effective masks allow a crowd density compatible with an almost normal economic activity.

5.4 The properties of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 are very different.

These epidemiological and mode of transmission differences explain the huge difference in the spread of SARS-CoV-1, only some 8,000 cases in 6 months, vs. more than two million for SARS-CoV-2 in the same time frame.

5.5 The transmission of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 is very different – schools.

Scientific evidence indicates that the utmost caution should be exercised before schools reopen, and that the lack of means to prevent aerosol transmission can only lead to a second wave. We need masks to take the bus and go back to school.

5.6 The cost of a second wave can be very significant, in the short and long term.

In addition to the significant cost associated with hospitalization, patients do not always emerge free from COVID-19. In addition to a long and costly rehabilitation for those who have survived an intubation in intensive care, hospitalized patients can have respiratory, cardiac, hepatic and neurological sequelae. These consequences can be serious, and impose a significant individual and collective cost.

5.7 Give doctors the freedom to exercise their profession without interference.

Physicians should be given the freedom to prescribe what their experience and conscience dictate and in informed consent with the patient, which should reduce hospitalizations, deaths and costs.

5.8 At the level of the general population, it is necessary to make a transition from the masks in tissues, to surgical masks, then to FFP2 or better.

The easiest and cheapest way to crush the second wave is to provide progressively more effective masks, depending on their availability, to the general public. The more the second wave is crushed, the more the human and economic costs will be reduced.

2-page Summary:

An alternative: a rational lockdown exit strategy

Belgium, like the rest of the world, is working on a lockdown exit strategy. This is a very difficult question: we hope to be able to resume economic activity without causing a new wave of cases that would require re-imposing containment.

The GEES (NdT a Belgian Government Task Force) proposes a plan which will of course have the ear of the government, but which suffers from a disconnection of certain realities concerning COVID-19, in particular the nature of this disease, the properties of the virus which causes it, its mode of transmission, and the individual and collective immune response to this virus, SARS-CoV-2.

As an alternative to the government’s plan, I am proposing a serious lockdown exit strategy, which is based on the reality principle, on understanding the differences between SARS and COVID-19, on understanding the public health measures required, and on the precautionary principle. In addition, this plan would restart the Belgian economy as quickly as possible and at the lowest cost, if adopted. And it involves the participation of Belgian private companies in addition to government actions.

This plan is long and detailed, and the full text can be found here. I first consider the question of immunity, a complex subject apparently misunderstood by experts who have spoken out publicly on the subject, and the implications for a return to school and work.

I explain the essential differences between SARS and COVID-19. An official Belgian Institute, Sciensano, and the government continue to deny these differences. The government is therefore proposing a strategy that is not suited to the situation. Yet these differences must inform our lockdown exit strategy.

I also explain the asymptomatic and aerosol transmission to reach the conclusion that masks for everyone will be essential. Here I deliver some key conclusions from my plan.

1 We cannot count on individual or collective immunity

ORDER IT NOW

It seems clear that collective immunity cannot be relied on to counter the spread of COVID-19 for two reasons: the individual level of antibody induced during infection is often too low and unstable; and a high level of antibodies is associated in COVID-19 patients with a severe exacerbation of the disease: antibodies are not always beneficial, they can have deleterious effects, this is a phenomenon observed with some viruses.

2 The dominant mode of transmission of COVID-19 is by aerosol.

One cannot conceive of a serious lockdown exit plan that does not accept this reality. I explain how we produce aerosols just by breathing and how infectious aerosols contribute to the spread of the disease. A plan that does not take this reality into account can only lead to a second wave larger than necessary.

3 Social distancing is simply ineffective for viruses that are transmitted by aerosol.

With a sneeze that can throw infectious droplets 8 m away, and with an aerosol transmission that can send microdroplets over even greater distances, it is not a social distance of 1.5 m that will contain the virus. Only effective masks allow a crowd density compatible with an almost normal economic activity.

4 The properties of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 are very different.

These epidemiological and mode of transmission differences explain the huge difference in the spread of SARS-CoV-1, only some 8,000 cases in 6 months, vs. more than two million for SARS-CoV-2 in the same time frame.

5 The transmission of SARS-CoV-1 and SARS-CoV-2 is very different – schools.

Scientific evidence indicates that the utmost caution should be exercised before schools are reopened, since the idea that children will contribute little to the spread of the virus is based on an erroneous analysis. The lack of means to prevent aerosol transmission can only lead to a second wave. Masks will be required to take the bus and return to school without endangering the community.

6 The cost of a second wave can be very significant, in the short and long term.

In addition to the significant cost associated with hospitalization, patients do not always emerge unscathed from COVID-19. In addition to a long and costly rehabilitation for those who have survived an intubation in intensive care, hospitalized patients can have respiratory, cardiac, hepatic and neurological sequelae. These consequences can be serious, and impose a significant individual and collective cost.

7 Give doctors the freedom to exercise their profession without interference.

Physicians should be free to prescribe what their experience and conscience dictate and in informed consent with the patient, which should reduce hospitalizations, deaths and costs.

8 At the level of the general population, it is necessary to make a transition from masks in tissues, to surgical masks, then to FFP2 or better.

The easiest and cheapest way to crush the second wave is to provide progressively more effective masks, depending on their availability, to the general public. The more the second wave is crushed, the more the human and economic costs will be reduced.

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  1. Paul, you watch entirely too much TV.

    • Disagree: Sean
  2. nickels says:

    The problem with virologists and MDs and immunilogists is that they are NOT epidemiologists. Epidemics are highly nonlinear and whimsical.
    A resurgence is possible, but it rests on the seemingly false premise that the lockdown had any effect on the transmission at all.
    I beat 4 colds off this lockdown. Explain that.
    Lockdown logic says those places locking down vs the others should have been EXPONENTIALLY different, not close as we see.
    I predict no resurgence. I do predict a fake resurgence based on fraudulent accounting, but that will not be able to produce the numbers they need to relock.
    I was wrong in my pandemic numbers (3-4,000), but I was millions closer than the ‘experts’ to the truth.
    Let us see.

  3. JasonT says:

    Fear porn is far more virulent than any virus.

  4. swamped says:

    “If you don’t value the knowledge that the 12 pages will give you, there is a 2 page summary at the end”…and if you don’t want to bother with that there was an even more succinct bullet point plan precis by the same author a month ago with the same recommendations:

    ” So in summary, and without further ado:
    1.)Italian-style lockdown, all non essential economic activities are suspended;
    2.)Belgian day-care centers closed;
    3.)FFP2 masks or gas masks or hydroxychloroquine, for all those on the front line; recycling of masks; those who have no real protection remain in reserve; more respirators are needed;
    4.)Massive nucleic acid and serological screening of all suspected cases;
    5.)Industrial production of FFP2 masks to put the population back to work when the health lockdown is lifted;
    6.)Universal income during the government-mandated lockdown period.
    Marc Wathelet.”

    No.’s 1. thru 4. have already been implemented in Belgium & the U.S. Which leaves us with the little matters of no.’s 5. & 6. As for #5. : “It seems to me that the government would be particularly inspired to recommend the wearing of masks capable of limiting aerosol transmission for everyone”…this would require not only a massive social transition but a massive production transition, as well. 3M is currently churning out 35 million N95’s a month & in consultation with the federal govt. has agreed to import 166 million more of these over the coming three months. Most of which will go to care workers. To outfit 327+ million American citizens (& illegals) & provide continual replacements is not going to happen overnight. To recruit enough cops or snitches to make everyone wear one all the time, may be an even more daunting task.
    And while we’re waiting for this & perhaps much longer, there’s#6., i.e.guaranteed basic income. Will Pres. Trump recruit Andrew Yang to roll this out in the coming days? How fast can the Fed print money & for how long? Marc Wathelet is a smart guy & maybe he can make it work in little Belgium but the U.S. can’t be kept on hold much longer. Let’s all wish Gov.Kemp best wishes in beginning to get America up & running again.

  5. I thought the condensation by blowing on a cold window was caused by water vapour, that is, gas, liquifying. I didn’t know there was no such thing as steam, that it is little drops of liquid water.

    Anyway, Dr Roberts, thanks enormously for passing on this essay.

    • Replies: @Realist
  6. Anon[516] • Disclaimer says:

    Much Ado about nothing, I have lost slot if respect for along of people during this thing. I still love Ron unz, but damn he’s fearmongering, whether willingly, or not.

    There’s at least 4 problems with the testing of this bulls#$&. Rt-pcr
    One it’s not binary, it’s not pas / fail, yes/ no. It’s open to interpretation.
    Two it’s not “dose dependant”, meaning people with a higher quantity of the virus aren’t necessarily any sicker than people with less.
    Three you can test positive one day, negative the next,positive the day after, negative again. This has happened very frequently, this is not science.
    Four the rt-pcr test takes the sample, and doubles it repeatedly, some countries stop at 36 doublings,some at 37,some at 38.
    But some people with additional doublings would eventually test positive, that means that that pretty much all people are” positive ” on some level.
    This is not science, they are not using viral culturong or electron microscopy.

    https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

    • Agree: BuelahMan, Will
  7. Biff says:

    Guess what the 1%er owners of America don’t give a fuck about?

    Dead American plebes.

    They’ll send the jerks off to a failed war for profits(Afghanistan), why wouldn’t they send them into a viral cesspool to get their economy churning?

    • Agree: Realist, Spanky
    • Replies: @Realist
  8. Governments can spend hundreds of Billions on stimulus packages, and on lost income and wages and lost business. But they cannot spend 1 Billion on 30 factories for surgical masks, for N95 and N99 masks, for reusable and washable N99 masks in style of Respro, Voguemask and Cambridgemask? Or increase 100 fold the output of 3M respirator for workers in dust, sanding, painting?
    I have my own collection of such masks, acquired before the Coronavirus craze. It is fairly impossible to get any more of these masks at all, for friends, relatives, coworkers. They are unavailable.
    Taiwan was able to quickly build new mask production. Why Germany, US, cannot do it?

  9. Renoman says:

    I was hoping for a list, all I got was a long winded rant. Mask mask mask, yes I got that.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @profnasty
  10. Levtraro says:
    @nickels

    Can’t comment about your colds but relevant to your assertion:

    A resurgence is possible, but it rests on the seemingly false premise that the lockdown had any effect on the transmission at all

    Here is a plot of the impact of the lockdown on transmissions using the most apt and powerful comparison: Norway vs. Sweden

    https://ibb.co/7KRff1J

    • Replies: @anon
  11. BuelahMan says:

    Is he pushing the fear meme because he’s old or because he has no idea what he’s talking about? PCR usually doesn’t push the MSM psyop. I’m guessing he is old and scared, but it could be that he is bought and paid for.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Troll: Sean, aandrews
  12. Sean says:

    A surpassingly informative article.

  13. Widespread distribution of masks of the N95 standard are a precondition for reopening, but no preparation has been made.

    N-95 is overkill for most people, who will likely never be exposed to a viral load that will make them seriously ill, unlike front-line medical and emergency response teams who have sick people literally in their faces. If our so-called leaders had said this at the outset rather than telling us masks would do nothing to protect the common folks, which set off most thinking people’s BS alarms, there might have been less of a run on N-95 masks, and more embracing of reasonable measures. Opening up the US markets to foreign equivalents, like the KN-95, might have been one route. People sewing their own masks would be another. Even a scarf is better than nothing. The important thing is that individuals need some freedom to decide how much personal risk they are willing to assume, knowing they will be locked down for a long time or even dead if they catch the bug.

    We hear much about collective or herd immunity. It cannot be relied on.

    What if herd immunity is all we have? As Marc Wathelet points out, wishing for a speedy route to a viable, effective vaccine is dubious at best. Population-wide Lockdowns are simply loser-think all around, because you’ll end up killing more people with despair, disorder, and crushing poverty than you might by letting it run its course with people employing reasonable precautions.

    Reopening runs the serious risk of setting off a second and larger wave of infections as the virus is carried into new areas.

    Newsflash: We’re going to have secondary, tertiary, quarternary, etc. waves until we have some suitable personal immunity, perhaps herd immunity, or, perhaps, a vaccine.

    I’m actually surprised at PCR’s alarmist stance. Very few are suggesting we let it rip while we go about doing business as usual … not even the Swedes. Then again, why is that option never seriously discussed?

    As Douglas MacArthur once said,

    Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear – kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor – with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant funds demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real.

    There is something rotten in the State of Denmark the World these days, and it ain’t COVID-19.

    I am The Alarmist.

    • Agree: Hail, acementhead
    • Replies: @TheTrumanShow
  14. OtherPaul says:

    Reopening the economy does not mean “everyone throw caution to the wind.” It means “each shall invite their desired level of risk.”

  15. Realist says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I thought the condensation by blowing on a cold window was caused by water vapour, that is, gas, liquifying. I didn’t know there was no such thing as steam, that it is little drops of liquid water.

    Water vapor, water vapour or aqueous vapor is the gaseous phase of water. It is one state of water within the hydrosphere. Water vapor can be produced from the evaporation or boiling of liquid water or from the sublimation of ice.

    Keep in mind PCR is not a scientist…no matter what he thinks.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  16. KenH says:

    First of all, almost everyplace is out of N95 masks. Secondly, nothing against PCR and others but almost every person clamoring for an extended lockdown doesn’t need to worry about a paycheck so they have that luxury. But at some point this extended lockdown will cause supply chain disruptions and/or have unintended consequences so while they may be able to still watch Netflix and surf the internet their own food pantries will start to diminish. Then we’ll see those people change their tunes.

    Much has been said about asymptomatic people spreading the disease but there’s a high likelihood that when asymptomatic people pass the disease on to others a certain percentage of new people will also remain asymptomatic or only suffer mild symptoms. This is just simply logic based on what we know about COVID-19 to date and the testing that seems to suggest far more people have been exposed to the virus than believed.

    The media and other scaremongers freaked out about the Jacksonville beaches opening and predicted a “second wave” but as far as I know no Florida beachgoers haven’t contracted the virus and required intubation as the scaremongers predicted. The media has said little about the Florida beaches since they opened because there’s no bad news to bolster their hysterical narrative. But if and when a small number of Florida beachgoers get sick it will be splashed all across the MSM.

    The virus is a lot less concentrated in the outdoors and therefore a lot less virulent. It’s safer being outdoors on the beach than in a confined indoor space with family members.

    • Agree: nickels
    • Replies: @Spanky
  17. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    Here is a plot of the impact of the lockdown on transmissions using the most apt and powerful comparison: Norway vs. Sweden

    By apt you mean cherry picking data to support your views. Why did you not compare Denmark and Sweden with two major population centers separated only by a bridge?

    By powerful you mean the most alarmist statistic you could find. Why did you chose a meaningless statistic like infection rates when per capita deaths is all that matters?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  18. @Sincerity.net

    Agree and agree again. Truly we are an inept country whose glorious leaders care less for us than does Kim Jong Un care for his people. At least the North Koreans know that their leader is truly their leader, while we don’t have that luxury. Nothing more dramatically highlights the fact that America’s leaders are indifferent to the fate of their subjects than our Nation’s inability to switch some manufacturing capability to making masks.

    We aren’t merely doomed in the passive sense; we’re being genocided.

    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  19. @Sincerity.net

    Why follow PCR off on this tangent? You might as well wrap your head in duct tape for all the good a mask will do against an imaginary virus.

  20. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    I have been able to provide my readers with good information concerning the virus and its threat, because I am in communication with knowledgeable experts whose reputations are secure and who are not dependent on Big Pharma or public agencies.

    Name one, just one pandemic threat prediction you have made that has been accurate.

    Marc Wathelet, an immunologist and virologist who has spent his entire career studying viruses and the immune response

    Although I hate to wallow in the Argument From Authority logical fallacy, for you I will make an exception – what qualifications does Marc Wathelet have to speak on epidemiology?

    If you truly wanted to provide your readers with good information you would provide your readers with both sides instead of just the alarmist ones.

    Here are some compilations of alternative opinions from sources with at least as good qualifications and publishing records than any the sources you have provided.

    https://off-guardian.org/

    https://off-guardian.org/2020/04/19/watch-covid19-fatality-rate-in-the-ballpark-of-seasonal-influenza/

    https://www.corbettreport.com/coronastats/

    • Replies: @Hail
  21. @Realist

    It was not him, it was a quote or translation (he doesn’t say that, I don’t think) of the Belgian virologist. He draws a parallel with clouds, which don’t look like gas. I’m intrigued. Apart from solid, liquid and gas there might be a fourth state of matter, aerosol, that I never knew about.

  22. Contrary to the above post, I think the virus is dose dependent and the viral load does matter.

    While outside, I don’t think you could get a viral load large enough to make you sick, unless someone deliberately sneezed right in your face.

    There are viruses all around us all of the time. Normally the immune system catches the invader and stops it.

    A German study suggested that the virus is not easily transmitted by casual contact, for example during shopping. Infection is more likely from being stuck indoors with someone who’s sick because then you get repeated exposure and a high viral load.

    Now that the sun is out and the temps are higher, the virus won’t last long outside.

    Yes, sneeze droplets can travel while outside, but they fall to the ground after a few feet of travel.

    It makes absolutely no sense to close parks and beaches.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs, Hail
    • Replies: @Levtraro
    , @nickels
  23. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    By “aerosol”, what he is referring to are particles suspended in a gas which has enough kinetic energy to keep them “aloft”; hence the comparison to the venturi on your old car’s carburetor. When the motion of the gas ceases, the particles precipitate out and settle on any adjacent surface. But airborne, as a “cloud”, the suspended particles can cover ground and do so very rapidly e.g. down your car’s intake manifold and into the combustion chamber, 1800 times a minute.

    Clouds are entities. They form coherent wholes, just as warm and cold fronts, high and low pressure cells do. Stuff doesn’t uniformly and randomly disperse instantaneously. Things cohere. That’s the basis of identity. Coherence.

  24. JT says: • Website

    Would be nice if the tinyurl links were fixed (dots need to be removed)

    Disagreement with author:

    There is certainly immunity, it simply doesn’t involve antibodies. It involves B-cells. It involves mucus, and because this virus is (likely) permanent, in all those who get it, “reinfection” will not be mortal. Re-activation is not contagious.

    Agreement with author: let physicians do their jobs. The single biggest problem with all lockdowns is the wholesale removal of physician-patient relationship. Hospitals are simply not cut out for handling annual diseases. Take a look at Atzmon’s article about the Amnesia of Coronavirus – millions of annual medical visits for flu/colds handled by physicians, not hospitals or clinics.

    observations about corona: long-term mortality linked to its chronic nature. Similarities to Lemierre’s Syndrome are worrisome.

  25. Levtraro says:
    @anon

    Denmark vs. Sweden also is a good comparison, but not as good as Norway vs. Sweden, for obvious reasons (Oresund bridge notwithstanding). I made the best possible comparison, with least confounding factors.

    You saw the plot I made. Impressive graphical demostration of the impact of the lockdown. Not at all alarmist, just hard data posted by both countries. I just plotted it. What is most impressive is that I did not need to rescale the numbers. Both the timing and the values were so similar at the start of the spread!
    Previously though I did a statistical analysis for Swedish data testing the hypotheses of exponential vs. linear growth in the newly infected. The exponential model won over the linear model. Bad news for Sweden but the numbers are still low so no need to panic yet. Perhaps it will work out for them in the end. From my point of view, it’s nice the Swedes are following the no lockdown policy. It gives me observational data for an informative contrast whose results I report to your masters.

    • Replies: @anon
  26. Levtraro says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The dose factor is indeed something to consider with regards to the risks of lockdown descalation policies.

  27. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    Denmark vs. Sweden also is a good comparison, but not as good as Norway vs. Sweden, for obvious reasons

    What obvious reasons?

    I made the best possible comparison, with least confounding factors.

    Yet you used a confounding factor, infection rates, to make that comparison. Since not everyone is tested, no one knows what the infection rates are.

    Why did you not use the per capita death rate statistic?

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  28. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Much Ado about nothThe Unz Review is one of the few high traffic sites left where free wheeling debate can still occur and I am thankful to Ron Unz for that.ing, I have lost slot if respect for along of people during this thing. I still love Ron unz, but damn he’s fearmongering, whether willingly, or not.

    What makes Ron Unz great is not necessarily his opinions but because he allows differing opinions on his web site. It’s what CounterPunch used to be before founding member Alexander Cockburn died. For example, those at CounterPunch ignore that Alexander Cockburn became a Climate Change skeptic and allowed both sides of the debate on CounterPunch which is no longer allowed. The Unz Review is one of the few high traffic sites left where free wheeling debate can still occur and I am thankful to Ron Unz for that.

  29. Levtraro says:
    @anon

    For the obvious reasons look at the map (and various descriptive accounts of the Nordic Countries).

    The number of newly infected is not a confunding factor, it is a response variable.

    Per capita rates are less informative but I did that too and the plot looks even worse for Sweden.

    Rules of scholarly discussion dictates you must not emphasize quoted text that it was not emphasized in the original, unless you warn it is you who is emphasizing (as in “emphasis added”). I just say this in case you don’t know. I don’t care if you continue your current practice.

  30. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    For the obvious reasons look at the map (and various descriptive accounts of the Nordic Countries).

    Again, what obvious reasons? List them one by one. Saying reasons are obvious is not giving a reason.

    The number of newly infected is not a confunding factor, it is a response variable.

    When you don’t know how many people are infected, it is a meaningless variable.

    Again, what are the per capita deaths of Sweden and Denmark and do they justify a lock down?

    In previous posts, even Paul Craig Roberts was puzzled by the lack of huge differences between the per capita deaths of Sweden and Denmark and came up with the ridiculous ad hoc theory that Swedes are natural social distancers.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  31. Ko says:

    “A resurgence is possible, but it rests on the seemingly false premise that the lockdown had any effect on the transmission at all”

    If only the politicians would have taken the death by opiod poisons as seriously as the Wuhan Virus, how many lives might have been saved?

    What about deaths caused by tobacco?

    And the untold number of deaths caused by Clintons?

  32. Realist says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Apart from solid, liquid and gas there might be a fourth state of matter, aerosol, that I never knew about.

    There is a fourth state of matter…its called plasma.

  33. nickels says:
    @Robert Dolan

    The close forest service trailheads were loaded 4x normal today.
    Very smart move to shut the national and state parks.
    We are governered by geniuses.

  34. Levtraro says:
    @anon

    Hi Anon 230

    When you don’t know how many people are infected, it is a meaningless variable.

    Most variables in observational and experimental studies are measured with error, it is the normal stuff in statistical modelling, that’s why we use probability distributions to describe response variables. It is evident you are not versed in these technical matters so I don’t mind explaining these things to you.

    Why are you so intent on having me comparing Sweden vs. Denmark on a per capita basis? It is a very specific request. Perhaps if you ask nicely. You can do it yourself though, the data is publicly available.

    • Replies: @anon
  35. Realist says:
    @Biff

    They’ll send the jerks off to a failed war for profits(Afghanistan)…

    Of course there was Iraq, syria, Vietnam and so many others.

  36. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    Most variables in observational and experimental studies are measured with error, it is the normal stuff in statistical modelling, that’s why we use probability distributions to describe response variables. It is evident you are not versed in these technical matters so I don’t mind explaining these things to you.

    What is evident is that you are not versed in the limitations of statistical modelling and how to separate meaningful data like the amount of deaths from meaningless data like infection rates.

    Why are you so intent on having me comparing Sweden vs. Denmark on a per capita basis?

    Because the amount of deaths is the only data point that matters. We were told that two million people would lose their lives to Covid-19. Sweden proves that this is a lie and that social distancing and economic shutdowns have zero impact on the amount of people killed by Covid-19.

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  37. This person says: “the exhaled air has microdroplets coming from this surface, [the alveoli] it is the Venturi effect as for a carburetor. These microdroplets remain suspended in the air, and their existence can be easily verified by blowing on a cold window: the fogging that forms is the result of the condensation of these microdroplets; if you pass your finger over this fogging, drops become visible.”

    This is WRONG or partly wrong. The exhaled air from the lungs contains 6% water vapor, which is water molecules not micro droplets. Water molecules suspended in air do not carry bacteria or virus. Water vapor will go as far as you see steam from your mouth on a cold day Exhaled air can certainly contain micro droplets but the condensation on a cold window is not micro droplets. If micro droplets come out of the mouth and nose, they come from saliva and mucus. And they can go much further than vapor, particularly from a sneeze.

    Incidentally, this means that steam vaporizors to humidify the air are safe, because they put out water molecules (although of course they can cause dampness on surfaces) whereas ultrasound humidifiers produce micro droplets, not vapor which means the output is only as clean or sterile as the water you put in.

    But this “expert’s” thinking is rather imprecise on this point which makes me doubt the rest of what he says. That is just the way it goes. You can believe Fauci even less, since he is not at all a disinterested party and ultra political into the bargain. That is, he is bought. You can believe Fauci as much as you can believe Pelosi, or Trump, or Gates. Which is no farther than you can throw a brick.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  38. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    You can believe Fauci even less, since he is not at all a disinterested party and ultra political into the bargain. That is, he is bought. You can believe Fauci as much as you can believe Pelosi, or Trump, or Gates.

    It’s not just a matter of believe. It’s a matter of credibility. The way to test someones credibility is to look at the predictions they have made in the past and see if they have been accurate. Fauci has never made an even remotely accurate pandemic prediction in his entire life which means he has zero credibility.

    • Replies: @Hail
    , @onebornfree
  39. Levtraro says:
    @anon

    Sweden proves that this is a lie and that social distancing and economic shutdowns have zero impact on the amount of people killed by Covid-19

    Zero impact eh? When you write these exaggerated assertions you undermine your otherwise apparently sincere and heartfelt objections.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @jbwilson24
  40. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @Levtraro

    Zero impact eh? When you write these exaggerated assertions you undermine your otherwise apparently sincere and heartfelt objections.

    When you focus on alarmist, meaningless, indeterminate statistics like infections rates instead of focusing on actual deaths you clearly indicate that you are suffering from CDS (Covid-29 Derangement Syndrome) for which apparently, there is no cure.

  41. Hail says: • Website

    uninformed people are agitating for reopening the economy

    Say it ain’t so; they “got” PCR.

    It’s really hard to predict who falls on which side of this thing.

    crush the second wave

    You forgot to mention the even-more-terrifying, Third Wave!
    And don’t forget the shocking Fourth Wave! And so on.

    “Permanent Revolution From Above, via some virus.”

  42. Hail says: • Website

    The more the second wave is crushed, the more the human and economic costs will be reduced.

    Will there be a second wave at all?

    “With 30% already immune, the next wave, if any, will be minor, at most.”
    — Dr. Knut Wittkowski (From Updates from Knut Wittkowski on the Coronavirus Pandemic, April 14-27).

    To the extent there is a “second wave” anywhere, won’t it specifically be because of the move to shut down the Herd Immunity mechanism?

    ________

    The more the second wave is crushed, the more the human and economic costs will be reduced.

    Also, I believe this may be precisely backwards.

    It should be “The more we try to crush the flu epidemic, the more the human and economic costs increase.” Major GDP hit and rapidly retreating opportunities for the young, for completely unclear benefit, arguably no benefit.

  43. gotmituns says:

    If we got through the black death, we’ll get through this.

  44. Getaclue says:
    @Ko

    But none of those help get rid of Orange Man Bad….

  45. Hail says: • Website
    @anon

    Imperial College’s model predicted deaths something in the 50,000 to 100,000 range for Sweden. With their epidemic now in clear decline, they’re nowhere near that. The Imperial College buffoon-troupe were badly, badly wrong, and so is their fellow-traveler the Shutdown-Extremist Fauci. Will everyone forgive and forget?

    How much damage can a handful of fanatics do — in the name of the public good, ofc?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  46. Big fan of PCR, but I am in complete disagreement with him.

    The morons in charge of this lockdown have done ZERO modeling of the major risks entailed by the shutdown. We’ve already had a UN member warn of major food production issues, and a King’s College professor model the number of people who will die from cancer as a result of not being screened. Let’s figure in suicides due to isolation, job loss (etc) as well as the shutdown of the property market.

    This has gone far beyond incompetence into criminal negligence. We should not listen to doctors or epidemiologists when it comes to policy, because policy analysis must balance competing interests. Doctors know nothing about critical infrastructure, supply chains, or the like. They apparently aren’t even capable of running a simple cost/benefit on their own hospitals, let alone an entire country.

    Stop the lockdown, undo the damage to the economy before it is too late, and let NATURE take care of this overblown virus. If a few hundred thousand (or even a million) more doddering old farts, obese slobs, and smokers die, so be it. Let the virus sort out the weak from the strong.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Hail
  47. @Levtraro

    “Zero impact eh? When you write these exaggerated assertions you undermine your otherwise apparently sincere and heartfelt objections.”

    It’s your job to show that they have had an impact.

    Did you fail critical thinking 100, or did you just forget to take it?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  48. @The Alarmist

    Agree, and what’s more: take the profit, and promethean fear mongering out of this scam and it’d die in its tracks. The data’s in and this puppy IS NOT DEADLY, regardless of how many re-re-reinfections one has. Not to beat a dead horse (too may times), but …

    “96% of people in California who get COVID would recover, with almost no significant sequelae; or no significant continuing medical problems. Two months ago we didn’t know this. The more you test, the more positives you get. The prevalence number goes up, and the death rate stays the same. So [the death rate] gets smaller and smaller and smaller. And as we move through this data—what I want you to see is—millions of cases, small death. Millions of cases, small death.

    We extrapolate data, we test people, and then we extrapolate for the entire community based on the numbers. The initial models were so inaccurate they’re not even correct. And some of them were based on social distancing and still predicted hundreds of thousands of deaths, which has been inaccurate. In New York the ones they tested they found 39% positive. So if they tested the whole state would we indeed have 7.5 million cases? We don’t know; we will never test the entire state. So we extrapolate out; we use the data we have because it’s the most we have versus a predictive model that has been nowhere in the ballpark of accurate. How many deaths do they have? 19,410 out of 19 million people, which is a 0.1% chance of dying from COVID in the state of New York. If you are indeed diagnosed with COVID-19, 92% of you will recover.”

    https://www.aier.org/article/open-up-society-now-say-dr-dan-erickson-and-dr-artin-massihi/

  49. onebornfree says: • Website

    Screw Roberts and his pro-state, commie, fake “gradualism back to “normalization”” b.s.

    1] End all mandatory government enforced lockdowns of all businesses and all individuals NOW!

    2] Lockdown all parts of all governments , local , state and federal, NOW!

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government  is a disease masquerading as its own cure”  Robert LeFevere

    “Why Government Doesn’t Work”
    https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Why_Government_Doesn%27t_Work

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  50. onebornfree says: • Website
    @onebornfree

    “……The arrogance and hubris of people who think they can declare a global shut down for a virus and think they can easily deal with the intended and unintended consequences of doing so, is breathtaking in its outrageous recklessness and egotistical belief in their own infallibility.

    This contemptible belief in their own superiority has permeated every fiber of those who rule over us, particularly among captured central bankers, corrupt politicians, bought off scientists, and billionaire oligarchs….”[and Paul Craig Roberts, Unz, Whitney, and many other self-important idiots here, apparently].

    Quote taken from: https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/04/26/throttle-up/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Troll: FB
  51. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @jbwilson24

    Right, and thanks. For all the eyewash about statistical methodology, he fails critical thinking 101 by assuming precisely what is at issue and what it is that he and others like him are required to prove. This assumption that lockdown works because any reduction in infection must be their result of the lockdown is a textbook case of circular reasoning, or circulus in probando, that freshmen in college are taught to recognize and reject, although this circular reasoning is universally accepted by governors and our Gates’ funded medico-scientific dictatorship because, “dammit, at least we’re doing something.” This raises the point made by Dietrich Doerner in his Logic of Failure, of whether,

    In our political environment, it would seem, we are surrounded on all sides with good intentions. But the nurturing of good intentions is an utterly undemanding mental exercise, while drafting plans to realize those worthy goals is another matter. Moreover, it is far from clear whether “good intentions plus stupidity” or “evil intentions plus intelligence” have wrought more harm in the world. People with good intentions usually have few qualms about pursuing their goals. As a result, incompetence that would otherwise have remained harmless often becomes dangerous, especially as incompetent people with good intentions rarely suffer the qualms of conscience that sometimes inhibit the doings of competent people with bad intentions. The conviction that our intentions are unquestionably good may sanctify the most questionable means.

    Doerner also quotes Kant on planning, which also seems an apt comment on our political class’s destruction of the economy of the United States just so they can appear to be decisive leaders in time of crisis, the consequences be damned because, well, they had the best of intentions,

    Making plans is often the occupation of an opulent and boastful mind, which thus obtains the reputation of a creative genius by demanding what it cannot itself supply, by censuring what it cannot improve, and by proposing what it knows not where to find.

    The lack of commonsense judgment is everywhere on display on the part of these experts, showcasing their inability to anticipate unfolding scenarios of extreme complexity to the point they control the situation by blunt strokes causing more harm than good—and that will be easily measurable by the number of unnecessary deaths caused by eliminating most medical services. Part Two of The Logic of Failure deals with the inability of experts to deal with the demands of complexity, which Doerner says can be reduced through what he calls “supersignals,” such as paying attention to the elephant in the room, which is the outrageous fabrication and falsification of data that make developmental tendencies impossible to measure accurately. Doerner also explores intransparence, dynamics, improper modeling, and other elements of planning.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  52. Bradley says:

    Another big brain sucker punched. What is it about the idea of infectious disease that causes big brains to lose all perspective? It likely has to do with a lie so big and old by now it is lost on most. They don’t do the tests to prove the virus exists as cause of disease. Ever. The PCR tests are fraudulent (and whatever they do do, they do not identify Covid19 and they made the inventor millions precisely because they are imprecise and therefore useful). The anti-body tests are questionable and what they once meant back around 1984 has now been inverted to mean its opposite. There is evidence that pollution is the main culprit (see Jim West). Until questions about proving existence via proper scientific protocols (isolated, pure etc.) and the fraudulence of the PCR are directly addressed, all incitations and exhortations about it are MOOT. Until virologists establish existence AND discount environmental factors … believing anything about it is unscientific.

  53. FB says: • Website

    I feel truly sorry for PCR and the abuse he’s getting from the retarded knuckleheads that infest this website…

    I don’t know why PCR even bothers…it’s obvious that NONE of the blathering idiots have even read through the text…this is of course to be expected for idiots…

    This is excellent and valuable information for those interested in actually learning medical facts…so I’m glad PCR does care…

    • Agree: Spanky
    • Thanks: Sol, TT
  54. It is extraordinary that people who haven’t confidence to speak in their own names and hide behind false identities are nevertheless confident that they know more than experts.

    • Agree: FB, aandrews
    • Thanks: Sol
    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
    , @bjondo
  55. gotmituns says:

    Interesting how well this media driven “educational” propagandistic conditioning has worked on people. It has made them into unquestioning morons.

  56. 450.org says:

    Excellent article.

  57. @ThreeCranes

    Inability to adapt seems a fact. Whether that’s by conscious design of the “leaders” or the result of years of ineptitude and decay, no central control of industry – in short, systemic weaknesses – remains a question. Contrast that with Nazis being bombed to rubble but mass producing state of the art tanks and jet aircraft in caves. When the economy collectivizes and the planners say masks are needed so meat processing plants can keep making hamburgers, we won’t go hungry. But central planners can’t be counted on to turn swords into plowshares. Again, think of Nazi cities bombed to rubble while the interceptor jets are being assembled in caves.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @FB
    , @ThreeCranes
  58. PCR was in full panic mode during the Ebola “pandemic” also. Some people never learn.

  59. Hail says: • Website
    @jbwilson24

    Incredibly, we have now learned that governments that pulled the devastating ‘Lockdown’ trigger at various times in March did not even bother making these kinds of estimates:

    “On Friday, 10 April 2020, at the Coronavirus Daily Update press briefing, Matt Hancock, the [UK] Health Secretary, made a startling admission. He was asked how many people would die due to the economic harm resulting from the government’s response to the coronavirus. Hancock admitted that the government did not know, or even have a ball park figure.

    However, he was quick to reassure us that ‘as an economist’ he took this very seriously, and he and the Chancellor of the Exchequer would (future tense) be looking into this.

    In other words, the government decided on a policy that could potentially cause hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths without weighing those lost life years against the potentially saved life years of the adopted policy. This is the very definition of irrational policy-making.”

    (— Steve Hayes, April 14, OffGuardian).

  60. Hail says: • Website
    @anon

    The best single resource:

    Swiss Propaganda Research, “A Swiss Doctor of COVID19” series, updated semi-daily with the latest developments.

    I wonder where a lot of people’s healthy skepticism went the past two months?

  61. Emslander says:

    In conclusion, we absolutely cannot rely on natural immunity to control the spread of COVID-19.

    When it takes twelve pages of unsupported gobbledygook and erudite speculation to get to the loaded conclusion desired, you know you’ve consulted an expert who has an axe to grind.

    The infection came to California and spread rapidly across the country from November to February and many people were sickened. This has been clearly established by the clinical experience of emergency room personnel in all regions. In my region, schools were closed and nursing homes were in lockdown through most of January. Many people had the experience of being sickened by something that was unusual, long-lasting and, in some cases, severe. This isn’t just a personal experience, but has been documented in publications liike the LA Times, hardly an alt-anything paper.

    In my region, there hasn’t been a serious case since the end of January. It all played itself out before then.

    When your personal experience tells you more than tests on mice and monkeys by white-coated people who know where their bread is buttered, go with your experience.

    Anyway, the above article ought to cover the backers of the Unz Review in any future litigation and I appreciate that. Maybe immunity from damages for opinions expressed with regard to the CRV19 thing would permit more candid analysis.

  62. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    “..This assumption that lockdown works because any reduction in infection must be their result of the lockdown is a textbook case of circular reasoning, or circulus in probando, that freshmen in college are taught to recognize and reject, ”

    Circular logic, yes, very true. However your point is ultimately irrelevant here, at least for the US. It does not matter if all the idiotic , overblown, contradictory “statistical facts” etc. being used to sell the entire lockdown excuse are actually true. There are simply no provisions in our Bill of Rights that allow the government to enforce lockdowns, for _anything_.

    As I stated previously, the only thing that needs to be locked down, by the chains of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, right now, is the government itself, because…..:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

    Regards, onebornfree

  63. FB says: • Website

    This thread has turned into a flu hoaxer infestation…

    I hope Mr Unz will step in and get rid of these fucking clowns…

    This article and the medical information in it is too valuable to be subjected to this kind of screaming from wild hogs…

    I notice that the qualified professionals we have here, namely ‘The Scalpel’ an emergency physician who’s been working at a special corona hospital…and ‘AnonFromTN’, a microbiologist who heads up a prominent university research lab…have not stepped into this thread…

    These two specialists have presented tremendous insights into the situation on the thread under Mr Unz’s article…

    I would really like to hear their thoughts on the excellent medical information presented here by Dr Wathelet…

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @trickster
  64. macilrae says:

    This surface is moist so that with each breath the exhaled air has microdroplets coming from this surface, it is the Venturi effect as for a carburetor. These microdroplets remain suspended in the air, and their existence can be easily verified by blowing on a cold window: the fogging that forms is the result of the condensation of these microdroplets

    In an otherwise interesting article, this statement cannot be allowed to pass unchallenged.

    In normal breathing, the venturi effect is not involved within the lungs. Moisture is carried out strictly as vapor and, as such, no virus particles are entailed. The mist you see wafting from your mouth on a cold day is due to droplets forming after the moisture has condensed.

    However when a person coughs or sneezes the violent airflow does indeed dislodge virus carrying droplets – also with speech (especially when animated!) infected saliva droplets are expelled into the face of the hapless listener.

    The WHO and CDC have placed themselves in a difficult position by clinging to the two metre distancing rule and by discounting the value of simple face masks. Their rationale was that expelled droplets fall harmlessly to the ground within the two metre cordon. However, smaller droplets can travel much greater distances and, what is seldom mentioned, their water content quickly evaporates leaving ‘dry’ virus particles to float almost indefinitely.

    The wearing of even simple masks appears to be highly advisable. Consider the statistics: Italy has a death rate from COVID 19 of 440 per million population; UK 328 and the USA 128 – contrast this with Korea at 5, Japan at 3 and Hong Kong at 0.5. True, these are countries where a high level of social discipline is practised and, true again, they have learned from the SARS experience, but masks are almost universally worn there in public too.

  65. @Twodees Partain

    Does he? You’re always yapping about how readers and writers on this site are watching way too much TV … perhaps it’s you who is imbibing itself with much too much of the idiot box!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  66. joe2.5 says:

    Thank you, Dr Roberts. That Dr Roberts should bring some sense here instead of the medical establishment prostitutes gives you the measure of the disaster.

    Most commenters here sound like know-nothings or at least totally unqualified to even try to dream of expressing a medically qualified opinion. Wathelet is highly competent; he is one of the extremely few entirely fact-based reviewers, while the bulk of comments here are either repeating mindless political slogans or introducing unrelated bullshit that doesn’t even start to answer the questions discussed.

    It all boils down to 3 things:
    1. The disease is definitely aerosol-transmitted. Transmission by aerosol cannot be stopped by “social” distancing; so far only fully fitting FFP2 masks or better (not the cloth variants of N95) protect the wearer.
    2. No one has the foggiest idea how many of the infected will develop effective immunity, and for how long — if any at all. What we know so far tells us not to expect it to be general or reliable, so an effective vaccine is not probable so far.
    3. Once infected, anyone with serious underlying disease, or just old, has the same chance of dying of it as at Russian roulette: 1/6 or between 12 and 22% in the aggregate.

    All other problems are related to these three. If you have any solidly established fact that invalidate them, bring it, please — solid medical fact, not second-hand journalistic BS or official recommendations by politician vultures with or without medical degrees.

    • Replies: @FB
  67. NYC has 18,000 deaths , mostly elderly folks with other health problems….25% of New Yorkers have antibodies and 6% of those with Hospitalized with CV have not produced any antibodies so the number of New Yorkers infected with CV is closer to 30% , since the antibody rests will miss detecting antibodies in 20% of those with antibodies

    This signifies that 2.7 million New Yorkers have recovered from CV and just .006% have died from CV. Many other New Yorkers were exposed to the virus but their innate immune system fought it off to avoid getting sick.

    The panic needs to end. The evidence now suggests that 99% of the people will not required hospitalization and will recover. The majority of those who die from this are elderly with other other health problems.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  68. FB says: • Website
    @joe2.5

    Thanks for your sensible comment…

    Those important points about the transient [ie shortlasting] nature of immunity to this virus is confirmed by qualified professionals on Ron’s thread…

    Also, this virus is quite different in that it attacks the blood vessels and causes clotting…a very serious condition that increases your chance of dying by a very large and unhealthy margin…

    Even if you don’t have underlying medical conditions and are young and healthy, this can be a serious killer…

  69. joe2.5 says:
    @ploni almoni

    Fully agreed re Fauci. A political prostitute since the early days of HIV.

    Partly wrong re water in air vs aerosol (= colloidal suspension of particles dispersed in air); as you say it yourself, both water molecules and droplets are in the air where aerosol is produced; both molecular water and suspended droplets will participate in condensation in a room where people are present. The reason you call the article “imprecise” is that Wathelet focuses on the aerosol part, as that is the point in discussion for him.

  70. This dastardly chimera virus attacks us in mysterious ways. There will be hell to pay.

    Until we have an admission this was a biolab CRISPR experiment gone bad, we are fighting blind.

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/we-still-dont-know-how-the-coronavirus-is-killing-us.html

  71. joe2.5 says:
    @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

    The majority of those who die from this are elderly with other other health problems.

    I simply love this way of thinking!
    Why don’t you just take an ax and give your granma forty whacks?

    • Replies: @Travis
  72. Agent76 says:

    Apr 28, 2020 The World Has Gone Insane… Here’s Why

    • Agree: 9/11 Inside job
  73. @Twodees Partain

    On this I will totally agree with you…

    A recent study coming out of China has tested for the airborne transmission factor. Out of 300 cases of what was considered to be transmission in the outdoors, only 1 of 2 definitive cases were found to be a result of airborne transmission.

    A microbiologist who has studied the actual aerodynamics of virus molecules in the air has stated in an article (I wish I still had the link) that the aerodynamics of such molecules makes it highly unlikely that airborne transmission would succeed unless a person came into contact with droplets from a recent, infected, person’s sneeze who was close by. The microbiologist went on to say that natural air currents for such weightless molecules would easily disperse quickly making them less contagious while all at some point would simply fall to the ground…

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  74. Agent76 says:

    Apr 28, 2020 Next in Coronavirus Tyranny: Forced Vaccinations and ‘Digital Certificates’

    Ron Paul on the Bill Gates crowd’s next horrible move…

  75. Douglas says:

    My wife and I live in the panhandle. Crestview Florida. We are older. I have asthma. He is on dialysis. Open the damn country. We will take our chance instead of lose our freedom. Somewhere I remember hearing something like this, “what good is life without freedom?” If you are dead of course freedom is meaningless, but none-the-less, we choose freedom not fear.

    • Thanks: 9/11 Inside job
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  76. @Weston Waroda

    Reliance upon “experts” is the death knell of one’s position.

    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
  77. @Ko

    Did you say “tobacco”? You mean the product that may help fight off the virus?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52415793

    OK masks are better than no masks, and OK masks will be the imperfect best option we have for now.
    Adults will just have to deal with it–and try not to push their luck with large crowds or obviously hazardous venues, and we will get through this.

    • Replies: @Biff
  78. Just on the zinc thing.. Someone of the Antoinette persuasion like Pelosi should just say it: “let them ear oysters!”.

  79. @Ko

    What about deaths because of gullible goyim believing jewish lies?

    Is there any greater evil than what comes from believing in Satan?

  80. Dr.Scott Atlas “The data is in-stop the panic and end the total lockdown”thehill.com:
    “The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19. The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely .01 to .02%.”
    Herd immunity does work , see”Stand up for your rights,says bio-statistician Dr.Knut Wittkowski”aier.org :
    “With all respiratory diseases ,the only thing that stops the spread of the disease is herd immunity…we will see more death as a result of this social distancing,”

  81. Yes, we are unprepared to come out of lockdown. After being told the most vulnerable population is the nursing home population, NY had decided that hospitalized COVID-19 patients who haven’t fully recovered or who haven’t me the 14 day quarantine will be discharged to nursing homes from the hospital, rather than be discharged to home. First of all why are COVID patients being sent to facilities where the most vulnerable people reside? That makes no sense. And secondly, nursing home administrators and their staff continuously state they don’t have enough PPE as it is, so how will they be able to adequately care for COVID patients and maintain infection control if they don’t have masks, gloves, and gowns? The pandemic started out with states such as NY claiming the vulnerable patients and staff at nursing homes have to be protected – and now they plan to send hospital-transferred COVID patients to these facilities. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. There are interviews of elderly residents saying they chose to live in such and such nursing home…it’s their home and place of residence. They also stated they were told they would be protected. In one interview an elderly gentleman said “now they moved four COVID patients into our facility and that doesn’t protect us all, it places us at risk.”

    • Replies: @450.org
  82. Wielgus says:
    @Niebelheim

    They did not mass-produce state of the art tanks or jet aircraft. Perhaps over 1,400 Me 262 jets were produced, of which maybe about 250 saw action. The same with Tiger tanks – relatively few were built and though feared, much of the time supposed Tigers were in reality the much less formidable Panzer IV, which was built in large numbers but was no better than the Sherman.

  83. FB says: • Website
    @Niebelheim

    That’s a valid observation…

    The US also collectivized production in WW2…practically all industry was nationalized by executive order, and turned to war production…

    New weapons were designed and put into production with incredible speed and alacrity…especially warplanes, including many of the storied warbirds…

    The obverse can be seen in the reaction to the corona…nothing came online quickly, not masks, nor test kits, ventilators…nothing…

    It will be the same with food supply…which system is quite fragile, in the hands of a handful of transnational corps…and deeply intertwined with the teetering ‘finance’ sector…

    • Thanks: ThreeCranes
  84. Herald says:
    @Ko

    And the untold number of deaths caused by Clintons?

    Not forgetting, Johnson, Nixon, the Bushes and Obama. Clearly not an exclusive list of miscreant presidents, but enough for even the dullest to see a definite pattern.

  85. Spanky says:
    @KenH

    …testing that seems to suggest far more people have been exposed to the virus… — KenH

    Hmmm, testing suggests… Which is about all it can do if many posters here are correct in their assertions about test accuracy. If these tests are so inaccurate that we cannot be sure someone exhibiting symptoms is Covid-19 positive or not, what makes the results worth quoting when testing the non-symptomatic? Doesn’t a 30-50% test inaccuracy rate* render prevalence studies pretty much useless?

    * The first concerns the collection of samples for PCR in patients with flu-like symptoms, who suffer from a significant proportion of false negatives (30-50%), a situation which seriously limits the effectiveness of the screening / tracing approach. — OP

  86. 450.org says:
    @jennysailes

    I’m flabbergasted but not surprised. This is Cuomo’s decision, his order, and in my opinion it’s as heinous as anything Trump has ever done and said and I’m no Trump supporter or apologist.

    To think, people are talking about Cuomo, instead of Biden, being the Dem nominee if there even is an election come November. Based on Cuomo’s alleged stellar record in managing this crisis. They call this stellar? WTF!!

    The Dems are as awful as the GOP. It’s all shit. America is in full-on collapse mode. This was its Chernobyl Moment and it failed with flying colors just as the Soviet Union failed with Chernobyl and the event removed the veneer that barely hid the rot.

  87. Spanky says:
    @Ko

    Both opioid and tobacco use are voluntary. Exposure to the Covid-19 virus is involuntary. You advocate government force be used to police people engaged in consensual activity (drug use).

    Outside the Patriot Act, the drug war is the single largest reason for the unlimited expansion of police power and its consequent destruction of civil protection from that power enunciated in the four and fifth amendments. Are you sure you want to continue this line of reasoning and argument?

  88. onebornfree says: • Website
    @anon

    “Fauci has never made an even remotely accurate pandemic prediction in his entire life which means he has zero credibility.”

    Not true. Although I hate Fauci’s guts , I have to give “credit” where “credit” is due. In 2017he accurately, er, “predicted” that the new Trump administration would have to deal with a “surprise outbreak” of an “infectious disease”:

    Regards, onebornfree

  89. barankai says:

    All nice theory. Field docs made quite a different experience n so did Sweden. https://youtu.be/vJprwe_rWeM
    Also prevention n cure looks differently. https://isom.ca/
    So, end of world coming or not?
    Will we die FROM Corona … or ramifications of Corona FRAUD?

  90. geokat62 says:
    @Hail

    Imperial College’s model predicted deaths something in the 50,000 to 100,000 range for Sweden.

    I read their report and I saw predictions for UK and US, but I didn’t notice predictions for Sweden.

    If you don’t mind, could you point me to where they did so?

  91. @Anon

    Yeah, I’m going to listen to an illiterate.

    Go back to kindergarten. You have no business writing English prose.

  92. 450.org says:

    Also, I’ll add, the protests are a bunch of fake nonsense organized by 2nd Amendment Rights groups affiliated with the NRA. As we know, the NRA is in bed with the Russians so it’s not a stretch to deduce the Russians have a hand in stoking these protests and Zuckerberg is doing his part by greasing the skids. But please, don’t tell the Dems that because the world doesn’t need yet another failed attempt to remove Donnie Dumbass from office by “legal” means.

    Talk about the weak. If natural selection were in play, for real, the likes of Zuckerberg wouldn’t have lasted a year, maybe even only a week, outside of the womb. In fact, I’m surprised something like him made it full term even in the best of times. And yet here he is, playing the Grim Reaper with the Bannon Boys and the Russians.

    Facebook is pretty much owned and run now, lock stock and two smoking barrels, by the GOP and all the cretins affiliated with that political monopoly.

  93. @Douglas

    Fuck you with your vile idiot live free or die crap. You are the scum of the earth. American conservatives. Who are so stupid that they think that a virus is a political issue.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  94. barankai says:
    @nickels

    your numbers are OK. Official numbers are cooked for different reasons n most deaths the recent weeks booked under Covid n most hospitals used flawed protocols compared to those where death were minimal or none(!)

  95. Arnieus says:

    There is no reason to stay locked down.
    The only reason for the lockdown was speculation that hospitals might be so busy that some people might not be treated. There was never any assertion that it would save lives or keep anyone from being exposed to the virus eventually. The fatality rate is similar to the annual flue. Hospitals are not stressed, not even close. They are closing and people who need surgery are being denied. This lockdown is worse than the fake pandemic and should be ended completely. It won’t be safer in a week or a month until it we reach herd immunity.

  96. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    The study of things like vapors is part of thermodynamics. Back when steam power was primary (Age of Steam) and a factory had one or only a few steam engines that powered everything through belts and gears, the characteristics of steam and water vapor were more important than they are now.

    Here’s link to the “steam tables” of the day: http://www.thermopedia.com/content/1150/ . By the time I ran into them (1960s) very few could understand them anymore, and that included the instructors in Thermodynamics classes. There was even an article in _Science_ magazine to that effect.

    Matter and its phases are astonishingly complex (

    ), but can be described mathematically using statistical theory (statistical thermodynamics). I’m amazed at the claims to understand human behavior, which cannot be accurately described, let alone modeled.

    The small droplets of water in clouds and aerosols exist in a gas that is saturated with water vapor (at its “dew point”), which is why the droplets of water don’t evaporate. Above the dew point the droplets would evaporate — change to water vapor. Below the dew point, the vapor would condense on the water droplets, which would grow large enough to start falling. Small water droplets are suspended by Brownian motion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m5JnJBq2AU).

    Matter acts in many unexpected and interesting ways. In a way, this has been obscured by machines that exploit very special cases of physical behavior (e.g. your automobile, which has been simplified to just a few control interfaces), and by computers, which also exhibit “emergent properties” that are very strange. Once you go beyond the steering wheel, so to speak, into the actual physics, the world turns to something only partially understood — see Newton’s comment about playing with a few shells at the beech:
    ” ‘I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me.’,”

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @FB
  97. I understand why people who are trained to look for conspiracies all around them (like I am) question the validity of what they are being told about the coronavirus. It’s natural.

    And of course there are the China-did-it idiots.

    But here’s the thing. Ask yourself, what do your owners want you to do?

    A. They want you to blame it on China. Congratulations, you radicals you. Aren’t you proud of yourselves? Doing your masters’ bidding and all?

    B. They want you to astroturf agitate for letting everybody run around promiscuously spreading a deadly disease again. And, of course, you go along with them Because you want to BeFree!!!!!!!!. Like all slightly retarded adolescents.

    Aren’t you radical. Thinking obeying without question what our owners want you to do is right and radical and iconoclastic and rebellious, and what they don’t want you to do, forget China and stay safe, is conformist and suspect.

    But here’s the kicker. Are you listening. If you want a conspiracy, there is a conspiracy custom-made for you.

    And it is a conspiracy not, I repeat, not approved of by our owners

    (Unlike the non-conspiracy supposed conspiracies in A and B above).

    It is that the virus is an American bioweapon deliberately or accidentally or both unleashed against the world.

    Now, that’s radical. Now that’s iconoclastic. Now that is an idea they do not want you disseminating. Which is how you can tell it is true.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  98. Anonymous[116] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    Fuck you with your vile idiot live free or die crap.

    And your answer appears to be to leave out the “live free or” part, apparently for yourself as well as anybody else. I say this quite seriously — and you should note that the omission is why you are dying.

  99. Agent76 says:
    @onebornfree

    Fauci is counting on the money he will be reciveing after his so called service. This makes America no better than a third world gang of thugs. Just saying, and this is the pot at the end of the rainbow.

    Apr 19, 2020 The Truth About Fauci Featuring Dr. Judy Mikovitz

    Dr. Mikovits began a 20-year collaboration with Frank Ruscetti, a pioneer in the field of human retro virology. She helped Dr Russetti isolate the HIV virus + link it to #AIDS in 1983.

    February 19, 2020 Former CDC Director’s Net Worth Estimated at $13.5 Million

    Following the transaction, which was completed on Jan. 13, 2020, Dr. Gerberding still owns 106,099 shares of Merck stock worth about $9.478 million.

    https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/02/former-cdc-directors-net-worth-estimated-at-13-5-million/

  100. 450.org says:

    I can’t wait for a nuclear attack and Trump’s handling of it, can you? That will be grand indeed. I can see it now. Trump will tell us, the few still standing who weren’t vaporized, that radiation isn’t anything Light & Lysol can’t cure and all the fall-out will be gone by late spring and summer because warm weather kills radiation. He’ll open the country back up after never closing it and his walking dead supporters, with skin melted and hanging off their bones, will hold protests and tell the world, what’s left of it, to sacrifice the weak and shoot for herd immunity from the radiation. In times past, I would call that satire, but in these times, in the age of Trump, satire is now reality. This is a trial run for the real crisis to come. It gets better, much like a Quentin Tarantino movie when you think you’ve seen it all and Tarantino one ups himself yet again.

  101. Pft says:

    Interesting oped from an emergency physician at St. Barnabas Hospital in The Bronx, NYC

    https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/

    “First, the wave crested (on April 7) . ….
    This was striking, because the community I serve is poor. Some are homeless. Most work in “essential,” low-paying jobs, where distancing isn’t easy. Nevertheless, the wave passed over us, peaked and subsided. The way this transpired tells me the ebb and flow had more to do with the natural course of the outbreak than it did with the lockdown.

    …..our ER has been quiet for more than a week. We usually average 240 patients a day. For the last week, we averaged fewer than 100. That means our patients in this diverse, low-income community are afraid to come to the ER for non-COVID care.

    Gotham-wide, the number of 911 ambulance runs declined to 3,320 on April 18, down from a peak of 6,527 on March 30, according to New York Fire Department data. The current nadir is significantly below the average.

    A large share of those staying home surely have emergency medical and surgical conditions not related to the novel coronavirus. The growing numbers ­dying at home during this crisis must include fatal myocardial infarctions, asthma exacerbations, bacterial infections and strokes……

    The public needs to understand that the vast majority of infected people do quite well………. As of today, over 43 percent of those tested are positive in The Bronx. We are developing a significant degree of natural herd immunity.”

    • Replies: @Travis
  102. @onebornfree

    Fauci is an agent of the NWO kabal as is Gates and they are satanists.

  103. Many uninformed people are agitating for reopening the economy. That, of course, needs to be done, but not in the unprepared way that it is being done.

    Mr. Roberts,
    With all due respect, and I do respect your work, however, because of your first sentence I find it unneccesary to read the body. It’s time for someone with authority to stand up and call this ‘pandemic’ what it is: bullshit. For 4 months I’ve tried to keep an open mind by following both sides of the subject, and it led me to review the history of the leading characters such as Billl Gates, Fauci, Brix, the corporate media, and others. To the person/entity they have been involved in the business of vaccines, war and scare porn. Many since the 70’s. Whether this virus is man made or natural doesn’t matter. What matters is our reaction to it, and that’s guided by a corrupt media that brought us confirmed lies: Zika, SARS, Bird Flu, 911, Bin Laden, Iraqi WMD’s, the anthrax attacks and many more. We have been lied to over and over again, but today they’re telling the truth. I doubt it! No, they aren’t. It’s always the same people using the same stale methods. You of all people shoud be taking the hard high ground. Take off your mask and speak truth to power.

    • Agree: mocissepvis, Hail
  104. FB says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Excellent comment…

    Bottom line is that most of the squawking here about the droplets ‘issue’ is misguided and also irrelevant…

  105. @onebornfree

    Yeah Fauci predicted it, but there is nothing surprising about it. This was all planned with enormous help from a corrupt media. Without the media there would be no pandemic, and it will end only when the media says it will. I never thought I woud say this but; Trump should seize the media’s assests. He certainly has grounds to. Isn’t it true that the airwaves are to be used for the good of the public? At least that’s what I was taught. So I think that’s part of the deal. Well these corporate monoliths have done nothing but the opposite. Take them down, arrest the traitors and start over. Fuck, nothing could simpler. Let everyone watch Jackie Gleason reruns.

  106. @Weston Waroda

    HE is the expert so we must believe him.

  107. Travis says:
    @joe2.5

    There is no reason to close down businesses and keep those under the age of 60 locked in their homes. If you are concerned about your grandparents the first thing to do is get them out of the nursing homes. Almost Half of all CV deaths involve nursing home residents. 85% of the elderly deaths contracted the virus in a nursing home. The elderly who are living at home can easily protect themselves from the coronavirus by staying home. Yet in New York and New Jersey the nursing homes are required to accept coronavirus patients…the lockdowns are not protecting our elderly today. Keeping the schools closed , and shutting down most businesses will cause more problems than coronavirus.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  108. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    A significant percentage of recovered patients have little or no antibodies.

    Do you have any actual evidence for that claim, or are you just repeating the WHO’s withdrawn and ridiculous claim that those recovered from Covid19 infection have no immunity, despite the contradictory fact that they can be identified with a test for antibodies?

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  109. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Renoman

    I was hoping for a list, all I got was a long winded rant. Mask mask mask, yes I got that.

    As the Chief Medical Officer for the Canadian Province of Ontario said the other day: “Keep your face masks for bank robberies.”

    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
  110. @FB

    You can delete the nick you do not like.

  111. joe2.5 says:
    @Travis

    That’s all mainly correct, except that the official monkeys, medical and non, did nothing when China was testing, tracing one by one, isolating (real isolating), and only locking down on top of that as an additional biowarfare countermeasure. In fact, S. Korea was successful even without lockdown and even a major initial loss of control. US and EU didn’t learn a thing, waited, botched it all, left the epidemic grow totally out of control, and then applied a measure, lockdown. that by itself does not control the situation. And there is no real lockdown, as everyone is out and believing in the “social distance” bullshit.

    So far, you’re mainly right. Isolating the elderly (really isolating, not “locking down” while maintaining outings and worthless distance nonsense because no one will bring groceries or somehow take care of them), combined with other measures to control spread in the general population (too late for that, forget it) could have worked well.

    But I’ll insist: rejecting the concept that this pandemic is a serious threat on the grounds that it only” kills the elderly indicates a sick mind.

  112. joe2.5 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Looks like you are following journalists’ reports, not medical literature.
    That said, this is based on a number of tested populations and very recent. Dr. Wathelet did not pull it out of his hat. Also, it fully confirms what anyone who knows this class of viruses half-expects: some do not confer any immunity (common cold, for example), others create antibodies in only a certain percentage of patients, and the quality of the antibodies is poor, allowing reinfections; many times vaccines only last a short time (see the flu.) Others keep mutating their presentation sites. Several vaccines got the inverse effect and killed the first trial patients… What are you basing your claim on, do you expect virus here to be revealed as the only exception among the same family of germs and produce good quality, general and lasting immunity?

    Worst of it, either you did not bother to read Dr Wathelet’s ably translated article, above. Or then your basic knowledge is insufficient to understand what it says even though it’s written for the layman. All this is spelled out in the article and the main references (from which you can start to collect all the other ones) are readily available in the links. If you want the original article, it’s at
    https://www.sudinfo.be/sites/default/files/mediastore/1585158382_plan_pour_la_belgique_intertitres.pdf

    • Thanks: FB
  113. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Not true. Although I hate Fauci’s guts , I have to give “credit” where “credit” is due. In 2017he accurately, er, “predicted” that the new Trump administration would have to deal with a “surprise outbreak” of an “infectious disease”:

    Thanks for pointing out that I did not make myself clear. What I should have said is that Fauci has never a an accurate pandemic infection count and death count prediction in his life. Saying some pandemic is going to occur is not much of a prediction since pandemics occur all the time (Legionares disease, Swine Flu, Bird Flu, SARS-1 etc). Being able to predict infection numbers and death counts is where the rubber hits the road.

  114. trickster says:
    @FB

    I am a virus specialist and I suspect the virus has invaded your brain. My thoughts since you asked to hear excellent medical information is to self quarantine, permanently.

    Sincerely,

    Dr T. Rickster

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @FB
  115. @Steve Naidamast

    t the aerodynamics of such molecules makes it highly unlikely that airborne transmission would succeed unless a person came into contact with droplets from a recent, infected, person’s sneeze who was close by.

    I don’t agree with that, and the evidence does not agree with that.

    In Mt Vernon WA an early case showed that a church choir who observed no touching rules and did not come into contact with symptomatic people still wound up with close to an 80% infection rate.

    How does this square with your position?

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/01/us/washington-choir-practice-coronavirus-deaths/index.html

  116. @CanSpeccy

    “Keep your face masks for bank robberies.”

    No, that’s complete bullshit. Sandia labs has proven that simple properly contructed and layered linen masks are highly effective against micro-particles. Not quite N95 but at least in the same neighborhood.

    And do you really believe that masks protect doctors but not regular citizens?

    Really?

  117. Biff says:
    @Justvisiting

    OK masks are better than no masks, and OK masks will be the imperfect best option we have for now.

    Where I live(Thailand) masks are mandatory attire in public, and have been for the past month or more. It seems to be working; new cases are way down and some days they are in the single digits. The province I live in(Chiang Rai) is now Covid free(no new cases for weeks). Yet still, the lock down and mask donning is set to last through the month of May.

    The mask is irritating, but useless unless everyone participates.

    [no Covid lives here]

  118. @Anon

    Your arguments might carry more weight if you took the simple step of proof-reading and correcting your texts. “I have lost slot if respect for along of people” – say, what??

    • Replies: @Anon
  119. FB says: • Website
    @trickster

    I’m actually more familiar with your ‘work’ under your other handle…

    T. ROLL

    • Replies: @trickster
  120. @Liberty Mike

    I was referring to his comment about anonymity, to which I concede he has a point, and nothing more. My personal opinion about this column is that when a writer for a self-described alternative media selection begins to sound like CNN, it might be time for him to check his premises.

    • Agree: Hail, Twodees Partain
  121. bjondo says:
    @Paul Craig Roberts

    PCR,

    trouble is in zionized America our promoted, prominent experts are liars, shills, shadowy operators.

    The honest experts are ignored, receive attacks, fired.

    5ds

  122. @BuelahMan

    Yes, this has me baffled as well. PCR, normally a bastion of reason, sounds not very different here from the fear-mongering MSM.

  123. Anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    I’m curious that the article does not address the use of antiinflamatorios and anticoagulants as part of the Covid treatment.

    In particular, heparin. There is an Italian thesis that covid attaches itself to the body “endogenous heparin”, fools the virus, so to speak, and reduces viral load.

    Kudos for stressing the importance of letting doctors treat as their conscience dictates, w/informed patient consent.

  124. the Florida panhandle has few cases as the beaches and vacation rentals were closed, and people from outside were kept from entering. As the panhandle is set for a May 1 reopening, people from impacted areas, such as Atlanta, will bring the virus with them

    Sounds like a plan PCR! Im bringing Mawmaw, cousins Skeeter, Cooter and the yunguns too! Tell the old lady to put on some biscuits, possum stew and coon gravy and clear the critters out the barn for us! I’m bringin the banjo, shotgun and a gallon of corn liquor for you and the old lady. Yee haw!

    We found a cure! Didn’t even have to inject any disinfectant! Thank ya, Jesus. Me and the kin are cootie free PCR! We gone have ourselves a hoot n a holler! Be looking out for the Oldsmobile Cutlass, we fixintuh leave hoot owl holler trailer park nah!

    • LOL: Biff
    • Troll: Genrick Yagoda
    • Replies: @Genrick Yagoda
    , @FB
  125. Travis says:
    @Pft

    NYC is certainly close to herd immunity. 25% of NYC residents have CV antibodies, and the test fails to detect antibodies in 15% of infected CV patients…so 30% of New Yorkers have already recovered from this coronavirus…and those under the age of 40 have built in immunity, they can defeat the with their innate immune systems which will retard the spread of the virus. Hopefully the 25% with detectable antibodies will be immune , we will find out soon. It is time to end the lockdown and allow people to go back to work and open up their businesses. The elderly can continue to stay home if they fear getting sick. Shutting down the economy is not helping the nursing home patients, which is where 40% of the CV deaths originate.

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @joe2.5
  126. joe2.5 says:
    @Travis

    Presence of antibodies has no necessary result in immunity. So you may consider stopping to talk through your hat before you come with solid data to invalidate the responses you already received. I’m waiting.

    • Replies: @Travis
  127. @redmudhooch

    When PCR wrote “people from Atlanta” he meant Dindus, whether or not that was his intent. There are no “hoot owl holler trailer park” going to the panhandle, Moishe.

    But the real fear is super spreader Jews, given what happened in New York. Perhaps you will soon be at a wedding with such a group. Enjoy, with many of your relatives!

  128. TT says:

    Thanks Mr Robert for giving a concise summary on scientific ground.

    I can see why China & Asia are more successful in their containment vs chaos in West, esp why China could get everything in control within two mths and have restarted their economy 90% with gradual resume of normal life.

    What Roberts wrote here, are exactly what i read in China public domain their gov tried to educate their people on science based knowledge daily. But they have no luxury of precedence to study, been the unlucky first to detect the virus and get daily bashing by Uncle Sam.

    So they have to gather everything by experience with daily new clinical result to rectify & finally derive at all these scientific facts almost similarly. And majority of 1400M Chinese follow their gov recommendations faithfully, trusting their gov is doing whatever for their welfare and nation future.

    In West, its filled with conspiracy theory and distrust to their gov, screaming for freedom like many commentators here. But can’t blame as West gov are truly sold out henchmen of capitalists and Zcabals. I might be doing the same given such gov…mine is not good either.

    If this virus is just a hoax or normal flu like my gov and most West leaders lied, China smartest leaders (SK & Asia leaders to some extend) will not take the great pain to lockdown entire country endangering their own political power, with self inflicting devastated economy impact in $T.

    China has been enforcing masks wearing, social distancing, hand washing, personal hygiene, home isolation, wide testing, contact tracing, quarantine and early treatment. Yet these are nothing new but a proven protocol well time tested in all old global pandemics. These was also proven 93% effective in some SARS study.

    In fact after initial chaos overwhelming all hospitals, China have clearly specified specialized hospitals for COVID treatment only in every city, while general hospitals continue to provide normal healthcare is one reason of its success not to overload.

    The aerosol transmission is what China has been flip flopping, possibly a political struggling vs resources constraint (insufficient N95 masks for 1400M), so not to over frighten its people into hysteresis unable to resume economy activities.

    After over 3000 medical staffs infected with dozen deaths, last mth China mfg its own Power Asisted Filtering Respirator for high risk ICU (intubation) that has high virus loading. New a/c models will virus kiling filtration are also launched.

    Chinese leaders prepared quietly behind scene and only notify their people what’s useful for their well beings. To reveal too much truth causing too much fear yet without working solution is counterproductive.

    They also warn on the virus in feaces & urines, so everyone can be cautious in using public toilets & ensure sanitary systems are well functioning with ventilation pipe leakage.

  129. FB says: • Website
    @redmudhooch

    Hey Hooch…what about Gomer and Goober..?

    Wouldn’t be fair to leave them home…😂

  130. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:

    Dr. Marc Wathelet’s original piece (dated April 26th, 2020) is here: https://www.medi-sphere.be/fr/actualites/une-alternative-un-plan-rationnel-de-deconfinement.html

  131. On the subject of coming out of lockdowns, listen to two real medical doctors who treat covid patients every day and have spent hours sifting through the data. Or, you can choose the tooth fairy and CNN.

    • Replies: @450.org
    , @Weston Waroda
  132. Anon[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cook my Goose

    You are very certainly right, I just prefer to read another article with that time, rather than spend it proofreading, but it’s very hypocritical of me, because I bemoan spelling errors by others. Thanks for the nudge.

    https://theinfectiousmyth.com/book/CoronavirusPanic.pdf

  133. @obwandiyag

    I was ready to jump down your throat with your prior attack on #77 but am glad l didn’t. Thanks for explaining yourself – and l agree.

  134. trickster says:
    @FB

    T. ROLL ? Never seen anyone with that handle on this site. LOL . In any case I dont need another handle to deal with a dub like you. Hallucinating now are you ? Your condition may be getting worse, better get yourself checked out.

    • Replies: @FB
  135. FB says: • Website
    @trickster

    Fuck off sock puppet…with your 15 turd ‘comments’ on this forum…

    • Replies: @trickster
  136. More and more circumstantial evidence is being exposed proving that the Coronavirus pandemic was many years in the planning and was ,in fact ,a planned-demic/plandemic see, for example :
    “Mandatory intellectomy:How to create a fake pandemic”jamesfetzer.org
    “Manufactured pandemic:Testing for any strain of a Coronavirus,not just COVID-19″globalresearch.ca
    “9 simulations, laws and drills that planned and prepared for the Coronavirus”thefreedomarticles.com
    and for those interested in gematria:
    “Ozzy Osbourne’s Event 201″gematriaeffect.news (January 20,1982 )
    Like the 9/11 false flag, the Coronavirus plandemic took many years to plan and both have the characteristics of psyops.
    Interestingly there is a bat on the reverse side of the 2020 quarter. Just an eerie coincidence or just further confirmation that they love to mock us?

  137. 450.org says:
    @Weston Waroda

    Urgent care doctors? You have got to be kidding. And one of them is an Elvis impersonator. Just one more reason China is beating the pants off America and America is sinking to the bottom of the Atlantic. America can’t compete with China. Not in this response competition to this NOVEL virus and not in anything actually, so, America resorts to this. Youtube videos.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
    , @Wally
  138. trickster says:
    @FB

    Tch Tch Such language ! What would your parents say about this? Why are you always so angry ? Tell us your story. What happened in your youth that made you the way you are ? LMAO

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  139. @trickster

    Careful; if you don’t take him as seriously as he takes himself, then he’ll really get angry.

    • Replies: @trickster
  140. @450.org

    Since you think America is sinking to the bottom of the Atlantic and not the Pacific, you appear to be an East Coast centric Yankee who didn’t even bother to listen to the Vimeo video (not YouTube), preferring instead to issue a string of irrelevant ad hominems as opposed to a science based argument.

  141. Wally says:
    @450.org

    – Except you cannot refute this now banned by YouTube video.

    – Gee, millions upon millions of ‘immigrants’ are banging on America’s door, not China’s.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  142. TT says:

    What I had discussed previously in another thread on those patients on ventilators are likely dead meat, eventually are now brought up by NY ICU Drs and various Drs globally. They are finding the same result as China TCM physicians mentioned few mths ago, ventilator actually kill patients.

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/mask/#comment-3818351

    The right therapeutic recommended by TCM physicians is to remove the cause that make liquid built up in lung obstructing oxygen intake.

    But hospitals treatment protocol are often dictate by pharmaceutical giants. So Drs are hands tied facing great resistance to change.

    Video: COVID-19: 70% of Patients Are on Ventilators. Is It a “Solution”?… Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell
    “Around 70% are in Ventilators So, that’s a very, very high percentage in general, when one thinks of a medical disease.”
    By Dr. John Whyte and Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-do-covid-19-vent-protocols-need-second-look/5711080

    Are Ventilators Killing More People Than They’re Saving??
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/are-ventilators-killing-more-people-than-saving/5709562

    The answer to that question can be found in the article cited above. Take a look:

    “Many (coronavirus) patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

    That is making critical care physicians suspect that blood levels of oxygen, which for decades have driven decisions about breathing support for patients with pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, might be misleading them about how to care for those with Covid-19. In particular, more and more are concerned about the use of intubation and mechanical ventilators. They argue that more patients could receive simpler, noninvasive respiratory support, such as the breathing masks used in sleep apnea, at least to start with and maybe for the duration of the illness.

    The question is whether ICU physicians are moving patients to mechanical ventilators too quickly. “Almost the entire decision tree is driven by oxygen saturation levels,” said the emergency medicine physician, who asked not to be named so as not to appear to be criticizing colleagues.” (“With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19”, STAT News)

  143. @Wally

    It is simple economics. Per capita, US living standards would still be ahead of China’s for the next 20 years. And China also have no laws that allows immigration. 1.4 billion people, they don’t want more.

    • Replies: @Wally
  144. Travis says:
    @joe2.5

    I agree , the presence of antibodies does not guarantee immunity.

    What I find most interesting with the antibody tests is that so many recovered patients do not have any antibodies. Studies indicate that younger patients are less likely to produce antibodies or produce very small amounts of antibodies. It is also interesting that the antibody test developed at Columbia University was boasting about their antibody test because it had a failure rate of just 15%.

    Teams at Columbia University have pushed hard to boost the sensitivity of their in-house COVID-19 antibody testing. After weeks of tweaking their own ELISA assay, Columbia researchers say they’ve managed to bring its sensitivity to 85% — higher than the 50% to 60% they achieved with a commercial assay..hat means that 40%-50% of the patients who were confirmed infected with COVID-19 by molecular testing were negative by this assay 2 to 3 weeks laterThat’s when they decided to make their own assay. Spitalnik believes his team’s persistence paid off with a more sophisticated assay, which has 95% specificity. While 85% sensitivity is “still not 100%, it seemed reasonable to us and our infectious disease colleagues.” https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86084

    If 25% of New Yorkers tested positive for antibodies and the testing fails to detect antibodies in 15% of CV patients then close to 30% of New Yorkers have already recovered from CV. It is widely believed that having antibodies may give some immunity to those who have them but certainly this may prove false. Regardless, we can determine that 2.2 million New Yorkers have already recovered and only 18,000 have died from CV, Which indicates this virus has a fatality rate of well under 1%

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  145. The easiest and cheapest way to crush the second wave is to provide progressively more effective masks, depending on their availability, to the general public. The more the second wave is crushed, the more the human and economic costs will be reduced.

    The second wave claims are nonsense.

    What has happened to Paul Craig Roberts in the last couple of months?

    First, he’s pushing nationalization of the economy. Now, he’s promoting second wave and pandemic flatulence in the face of a virus with a greater than 99.5% survival rate which can be avoided with Vitamin C/D and cured with Hydroxychloroquine in combination with antibiotics & zinc?

    This is absurd.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @joe2.5
  146. FB says: • Website
    @Mercury Johnson

    Well…when you say something like ‘what’s happened to PCR in the last few months..?’

    …I know instantly you’re fake…

    I’ve been following PCR for years, and his views haven’t changed…only improved and more focused…

    And I suppose some random cheeseball squawking anonymously on a chat room, is going to have powerful insights on either the economy or viral epidemics…

    My confident guess is you’re some kind of shill…

    There is a ‘virus hoax’ astroturf campaign going on I understand…paid for by the usual enemies of humanity that infest our society…

    PS…your one and only post here…SEALS THE DEAL…TROLL…😷

  147. @Weston Waroda

    The video definitely does exist. Search for Drs. Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi, you may be able to come across their video although YouTube and now even Vimeo have deplatformed them, despite the fact that the video was produced at a local TV station.

    Thus ideology is permitted to over-ride data driven scientific opinion, even here sometimes on the Unz Review.

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  148. Wally says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    said:
    “It is simple economics. Per capita, US living standards would still be ahead of China’s for the next 20 years. And China also have no laws that allows immigration. 1.4 billion people, they don’t want more.”

    – Thanks for proving my points made to 450.org. who said the US cannot compete with China.

    – You’re very wrong about immigration into China:

    2019 China Immigration Policy: https://www.china-admissions.com/blog/china-immigration-policy-2019/

    Immigrants in China: https://immigrantchina.net/

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  149. @Wally

    Per capita does jack all for total national power base on GDP. China just needs half of the American per capita income = twice the GDP of USA. This is why American elites are so desperately vacuuming up immigrants.

    USA can 100% compete, if it stops worrying about race or diversity or religion or party politics or the kardashians.

    That didn’t go through. The Chinese goVt actually allowed online debate on the matter in China. Was huge. I try very hard to follow Chinese news with my broken Chinese I learned in 3 years. Most Chinese said no. Foreigners have the right to live n work in China, but never full citizens. Chinese govt wanted to allow the Ukrainians scientists to become Chinese citizens. Part of the deal to get them. I wonder why the Chinese govt didn’t just do it on a case by case basis.

  150. joe2.5 says:
    @Travis

    Fatality rate over a denominator of antigen-carriers (i.e. contaminated) patients, which is what theoretically the antibody test would be measuring if applied to the general population, is only of interest for some epidemiological calculations, which we don’t have to go into. Also, presence of antibodies does not necessarily indicate recovery but just challenge. More importantly, specificity in this case is way more important as an error source than sensitivity (as past challenge by various relatives of the virus may show positive in asymptomatic patients, without means of determining it, and specificity for the current test is rather hard to determine at this stage.)

    What you want to know as someone likely to be a patient, in order to know how to behave, is:
    1. the prevalence of symptomatic (clinically ill) patients (who may test antigen-positive depending on the disease stage, as often the heavily sick stop to test positive at the swab test because the virus load has left the nasopharynx);
    2. the fatality rate on a denominator of clinically ill patients, stratified by underlying diseases and age group.
    These are data we know now from one place where the epidemic has run its course, thanks to the competent data cleanup done by the Wuhan health system.

    I won’t go into the wild underestimations of any clinical happenings in NY, as most patients who call a doctor’s office with sometimes very serious symptoms get told not to come unless they have to go to the ER with shortness of breath, not to ask for testing now, swallow NSAIDs for fever, drink a lot of water and, when they start getting better, take it easy for a couple days (no testing – no retesting.) The fact that after clinical recovery some continue to shed virus up to 6 weeks is not publicized, either. Under these conditions, none of the clinical epidemiological data from NY is credible and I would just let the dust settle before discussing it in the specifics.

  151. joe2.5 says:
    @Mercury Johnson

    1. Mr Silver should speak whereof he knows: there are a good number of close relatives of this virus that do NOT confer immunity, and more that do not confer durable immunity. So it’s perfectly possible that relapses should occur, as long as we don’t really know the behavior of this particular virus. The RNA fragments causing false positives is of course one possibility (seems that was the case with some of the Korean cases) but not necessarily “smart” as a guess.

    2. A second wave of the epidemic doesn’t have much to do with the absence of immunity to the virus. It would be a result of loosening of the lockdown before the contagion rate is cut down, in fact completely flattened (see China to know how it’s done properly), of continuing active contagiousness in surrounding areas or even abroad, with continuing travel (last I checked all you have to do is buy a ticket and jump into a plane, and you don’t even get tested, tracked or quarantined, even now with the epidemic in fullest swing.)

    • Replies: @Mercury Johnson
  152. @nickels

    “I beat 4 colds off this lockdown. Explain that.”

    You beat 4 colds in a space of 5 weeks?! I would suggest that there is something wrong with your living conditions and/ or your immune system which would make you so vulnerable even if you have ultimately emerged victorious.

    But there is no saving guys like you from yourselves. I do hope the rest of us will be saved from guys like you by rational- empiricist guys like Paul Roberts

  153. @BuelahMan

    Yours is the sort of vulgar boomerphobic libertarianism that is so characteristic of WN. Too bad.
    We might have had our day. You make us look ridiculous at a point when the MSM and all the elites are vulnerable

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  154. Sunshine says:
    @Sincerity.net

    Because a diverse, multicultural society cannot do ANYTHING other than squabble, fight over the soon to be picked clean carcass of a once sane, functional and decent white society. Not that anyone in power will ever admit to this, that would be racist and therefore, verboten.

    We also have almost zero factories or industry here any longer. Where would they manufacture these masks? Anyone that tries to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US is decried as a racist or a hopelessly provincial (white) hick that likely needs those jobs, so they can be safely ignored. Hell, I was a ten year old and thought NAFTA was the most retarded thing imaginable, and look at how it worked out, close to thirty years later. A great big F U to the USA. Thanks, Clinton!

    If anyone is interested I’ll let you know how it goes in the FL panhandle. We’ve got some real grade A morons around these here parts, sad to say. Rarely do you see anyone masked or gloved, people are dying to eat out at the typical GMO prole food fast food places, dying to shop and get their hair done, and “get back” to their meaningless, consumer lifestyles. But the flip side is that the lines for food banks and the need for food is growing. How will it all shake out? I have no idea. I can’t imagine it’ll be all that great with winners like this on the loose:

    https://weartv.com/news/coronavirus/police-break-up-large-easter-party-in-pensacola-due-to-coronavirus-safety-guidelines

    This guy and the Creighton leprechaun news report from Mobile Alabama, shows what we are dealing with. Not that the “good whites” are acting any more sensibly. I think everyone is mad. Hoax or not, overblown, whatever, it’s prudent to limit social events and exposure to others. Not like I’m missing out on anything great by avoiding diversity and shopping.

  155. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    The alt-right is making themselves look ridiculous by aping the MSM in every way imaginable.

  156. Dutch Boy says:
    @Weston Waroda

    FB won’t post this article either. It violates their standards.

  157. @joe2.5

    Summary of Point 2 of your post:

    A second wave of the epidemic doesn’t have much to do with the absence of immunity to the virus. It would be a result of loosening of the lockdown before the contagion rate is cut down, in fact completely flattened

    Given that more and more are found to be carriers and asymptomatic as more tests are conducted resulting in decreasing mortality rates as a consequence, in spite of CDC guidance on death attribution (https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1246124190438227974), Colorado changing nursing home deaths to COVID, babies dying before 6 months coded as COVID rather than SIDS, etc. you second wave isn’t looking so good.

    Personally, my money is on the 5th wave being a real barn burner.

    So, we’re looking at, roughly, a 99.5-99.8% survival rate with HCQ (in conjunction with other meds) really effective at curing this thing and Vitamin C/D effective at avoiding it.

    You made an admirable showing, HL Mencken would be proud.

    • Replies: @joe2.5
  158. Congratulations to Paul Craig Roberts for introducing some science to this anarcho libertarian binge that is going on outside the usual liberal-conservative matrix . Even if he can’t save Nationalism ‘s reputation from the “just a flue bros”, he can help some of us save ourselves from SARS 2. Thanks Paul. You tried

    • Replies: @trickster
  159. trickster says:
    @Achilles Wannabe

    He has not introduced any science. This fellow is a blogger not a scientist and has just regurgitated what every “expert” has been blathering about for the past month. In any case even if he were a scientist I would not put too much credibility in what he posits as all the experts and non-experts worldwide disagree with each other. It is as you say a binge and PCR is just homing in and cashing in on the hysteria. In addition the fellow gushes when praised but gets upset when his work is challenged What does that say about the man and his “work” ?

    • Agree: acementhead
    • Replies: @Achilles Wannabe
  160. TT says:

    This science paper explained why COVID19 was a US developed bioweapon since 2008, completed on 2015, how it was funded by US gov, and its potential treatment using serium. Pls kept a PDF copy before it get deleted by US.

    COVID-19 Pandemic: Its Origin, Implications and Treatments
    By Peter K. Law
    DOI: 10.4236/ojrm.2020.92006

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340786428_COVID-19_Pandemic_Its_Origin_Implications_and_Treatments

    [MORE]

    Origin of COVID-19

    2019-nCoV genomics indicated that it was a recombinant virus of SARS-CoV and HIV origins. The two species of viruses had distinct and distance pedigrees, and because of the different space and time of their existence, their recombinant had never appeared in a natural setting [4].

    Therefore, 2019-nCoV could not be a product of nature, but rather a product of human genetic engineering.

    I hereby present below the direct, unequivocal evidence that 2019-nCoV is abiological warfare weapon originally produced in the USA, and that COVID-19 is a pre-meditated event designed for the USA to consolidate and to sustain po-litical and economic supremacy internationally.

    In 2008, a group of SARS-like CoVs (SL-CoVs) isolated from horseshoe bats had their N terminus of the spike protein (S) combined with a human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)-based pseudovirus system, together with cell lines expressing the angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2) molecules of hu-man, civet, or horseshoe bat.Ren et al.reported, “in addition to full-length S of SL-CoV and SARS-CoV, a series of S chimeras was constructed by inserting different sequences of the SARS-CoV S into the SL-CoV S backbone.”

    This was a Guided Natural Selection, a process designed to select a lethal, transmissible virus by serially infecting cells of an animal model that had ACE2
    receptors similar to human.The chimeric S (spike) covering the receptor-binding
    domain (RBD) gained its ability to enter cells via human ACE2 receptor sites.

    The Chinese authors demonstrated that “after replacement of a small segment (aa 310 to 518) of Rp3-S by the cognate sequence of BJ01-S, the chimeric spike protein mimics the function of BJ01-S in regard to receptor usage in the HIV pseudovirus assay system.” That was sufficient to convert the SL-CoV S from non-ACE2 binding to human ACE2 binding, indicating that the SL-CoV S is largely compatible with SARS-CoV S protein both in structure and in function [32].

    That was a non-committal way of saying that SARS-CoV did not have a natural origin.Hou et al.(2010) [37] extended the above study to ACE2 molecules from seven additional bat species and tested their interactions with human SARS-CoV
    spike protein using both HIV-based pseudotype and live SARS-CoV infection assays. Live SARS-CoV infection was carried out with help from Gary Crameri and Jennifer Barr, under BioDefense Level 4 (BSL4) conditions at the Australian
    Animal Health Laboratory (AAHL) [38] [39].

    The results, as reported by a group of Chinese scientists funded by the Chinese government, showed that “ACE2 of Myotis daubentoni and Rhinolophus sinicus from Hubei province supported viral entry mediated by the SARS-CoV S protein, albeit with different efficiency in comparison to that of the human ACE2.”

    Further, “the alteration of several
    key residues either decreased or enhanced bat ACE2 receptor efficiency” [39].

    How effective was this genetically engineered construct that was capable of transmission cross-species from bat to human, and within the same species from
    human to human?

    Gain of function (GOF) by which the efficiency of viral spreading in human population was engineered and tested in an international
    collaborative study in 2015 as reported by Menachery et al.Using the SARS-CoVreverse genetics system [40], a chimeric virus was generated and characterized
    expressing the spike of bat coronavirus SHC014 [41] in a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone.

    The University of North Carolina (UNC) collaborative
    study indicated that viruses encoding the SHC014 spike in a wild-type backbone could efficiently use multiple orthologs of the SARS receptor human ACE2, replicate efficiently in primary human airway cells and achieve in vitro titers equivalent to epidemic strains of SARS-CoV.

    Additionally, in vivo experiments demonstrated replication of the chimeric virus in mouse lung with notable pathogenesis [41].

    Evaluation of available
    SARS-based immune-therapeutic and prophylactic modalities revealed poor efficacy; both monoclonal antibody and vaccine approaches failed to neutralize
    and protect from infection with CoVs using the novel spike protein.

    An infectious full-length SHC014 recombinant virus was synthetically re-derived and it
    demonstrated robust viral replication both in vitro and in vivo.

    Could we ever go back to the peaceful time that we once had when we could breathe the air of freedom, and enjoy the beauties around us? People of all races,
    colors, religions, ages, sexes, sizes have suffered, and will continue to suffer until we stop funding, designing, manufacturing, facilitating and using biological
    warfare weapons such as 2019-nCoV, H1N1, SARS, H7N1, H7N9, MERS, HIV and Ebola.These were pre-meditated, cold blood murders.

    Long before the 2019 outbreak of COVD-19 in the USA, Coronavirus of Clades A, B, C, D, and E had already been in the records of American BSL3/BSL4 laboratories.

    The betacoronavirus of 2019-nCoV belongs to the C Clade.Despite all the bat species in Hubei, only the C Clade has been identified in China. There was no evidence of grand-parents (clade A), parents (clade B),
    children (clade D) or grand-children (clade E) of the 2019-CoV in China. This provided circumstantial evidence that COVID-19 in Wuhan might have derived from viruses overseas and not from China.

    It is extraordinary that Britain, as one of the key entry ports into Europe, was relatively spared by COVID-19 as compared to Italy, the first country to sign-up with the Belt Road.It is extraordinary that Britain left the EU at the fortnight of COVD-19 outbreak in Europe, and its Prime Minister announced that British should not fear and could go on living as usual because they were healthy as if “immunized”.

    This was similar to President Trump’s announcement to the American public at the onset of COVID-19 in the USA.In North America, citizens received free annual Flu shots.Last fall, all 60-year-olds and above were given an extra “shot” against pneumonia.

  161. trickster says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    FB has lost his marbles quite frankly. See his usual in comment 150. I take all nutballs seriously and that is why I would lock them up without internet access that way we dont have to endure them on this site

  162. joe2.5 says:
    @Mercury Johnson

    Looks like you just don’t understand words, even though English seems to be your first language. No sense trying to communicate, then.

  163. @Niebelheim

    We have central planners. It’s just that their end goals don’t enhance life for Americans in particular. They are self-proclaimed globalists. They make money everywhere. Nowhere is to be favored. We are fungible.

    But more. They aren’t merely indifferent to us. They despise us and wish us dead. Israel Uber Alles.

  164. @trickster

    “This fellow is a blogger not a scientist”

    Oh, where does a scientist work or report? At university run by neo liberal capitalists and big Jewry?

    “and has just regurgitated what every “expert” has been blathering about for the past month.”

    What I noticed every expert blathering about is social distancing – the 6 feet apart meme. The take away from this guy is that social distancing doesn’t work. Did you even read him?
    Probably not. Just the flu is a religion, But Just the flues are the defacto allies of the just keep the store open crowd no matter how many BUGS are in the store. Good globalism GOP style.

  165. Ivan K. says:

    “Masks Don’t Work: A review of science relevant to COVID-19 social policy”

    (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340570735_Masks_Don’t_Work_A_review_of_science_relevant_to_COVID-19_social_policy)

    – a massive amount of study: six extensive studies, 100% behind the conclusion

  166. @Really No Shit

    You obviously watch way too much TV. Your inability to compose a coherent sentence is proof of a profoundly controlled mind.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  167. Rienzi says:

    Expound all you want about infection rates, efficacy of masks, lockdowns procedures, etc. All that is irrelevent. The only statistic that counts is: “How many bodies?”

    My daughter in law is an IC nurse at the hospital where they send covid patients for her county in Florida. County has 600 people. Since this whole thing started 3 bodies. All 85+, with multiple other things wrong, that probably would have killed them in any event. Odds against dying there from covid: 200,000 to 1.

    I live in a Florida “hot spot” county. Odds against dying from covid there: 21,265 to 1.

    So just why are these counties shut down as if we were dealing with an airborne form of ebola?

  168. Rienzi says:

    Expound all you want about infection rates, efficacy of masks, lockdowns procedures, etc. All that is irrelevent. The only statistic that counts is: “How many bodies?”

    My daughter in law is an IC nurse at the hospital where they send covid patients for her county in Florida. County has 600k people. Since this whole thing started 3 bodies. All 85+, with multiple other things wrong, that probably would have killed them in any event. Odds against dying there from covid: 200,000 to 1.

    I live in a Florida “hot spot” county. Odds against dying from covid there: 21,265 to 1.

    So just why are these counties shut down as if we were dealing with an airborne form of ebola?

  169. @Twodees Partain

    You would not know a coherent sentence if hit you in the arse!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  170. @Really No Shit

    I know a troll when I see one. Welcome to the ignore list, troll.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  171. KimTrails says:
    @BuelahMan

    Yeah, what’s up with PCR? Has he gone over to the dark side? Haven’t read his stuff for a while so I wanted to see where he stood on the coronahoax. Gotta say, I’m shocked. So he thinks we should all be muzzled and just give up on all that is beautiful and spontaneous in life–like face to face human contact? He sold out. Nothing more pathetic than an old fool. I’m kinda old , too, and that’s when you should be able to be fearless.

  172. profnasty says:
    @Renoman

    I’m very grateful for Americans wearing masks when they go out: Because Stupid is contagious.

  173. Carax says:

    Roberts has long pushed MSM psyop with climate change. Now he’s pushing it with the so-called Corona pandemic, seems to take the information put out by Wathelet, and others as gospel. Sweden’s success is muted. Roberts picks the science he likes and goes with that. He should stick with economics only. Has he been bought out or is he simply oblivious to the design behind this latest hoax upon the world.

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