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Every country with the exception of Sweden found it necessary to close down at least part of the economy in order to prevent the highly infectious virus from overwhelming their medical care systems. The exponential rate of infection together with a lack of sufficient health resources obviously meant an overwhelmed system that would be unable to provide care for those suffering from other illnesses and deadly conditions, such as heart attacks.

The need to reduce the caseload was also influenced by the uncertainty of treatment. It has been only through experimentation that health care professionals have found some successful treatments and learned that ventilators were causing deaths. Knowledge about the virus and its attack on vital organs is still emerging. The long incubation period and the fact that people can spread the virus without themselves having symptoms makes the virus far more challenging than flu, with which it is often mistakenly compared. The fact that people of all ages and health conditions have died from the virus, or from inappropriate treatment and prior conditions, and the impossibility of knowing in advance the severity of any person’s case produces a situation that can easily explode out of control.

The policy of isolation and social distancing has worked. It has reduced the infection rate to a manageable one in most places. One consequence of this success is to increase the sense of safety and the belief that the virus is a hoax being used to take away civil liberties. There is no doubt that the deep state and other agendas will make use of the virus for their purposes. But the virus is definitely real and not a hoax.

The success of social isolation has produced a belief that the virus was over-hyped, causing some people to call the policy into question. Crowds in violation of the social distancing policy are protesting against the policy, with some marching around with weapons.

No doubt that the policy has costs that offset in part its benefits. But the question remains whether protest is an intelligent response or selfishness and a paranoia of its own.

In Chinese and Japanese cities where the spread of the virus was successfully controlled and the cities reopened, the result has been a second wave of infections https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2020/04/18/impatience-brings-back-the-virus/ .

In contrast in North Florida, the closing of beaches and vacation rentals has resulted in the area being essentially free of virus cases. Based on the Chinese and Japanese experience, we should expect a reopening provoked by impatience to reignite the infection rate.

Possibly health care providers have learned better how to treat the disease and perhaps the supply of protective gear for health care providers has improved and masks have become available for a reopened work place. If not, impatience will stampede us again into crisis.

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If we had been prepared with protective gear, with an adequate supply of tests that work, with an understanding of the virus and its treatment, closedowns, other than perhaps in congested cities heavily dependent on public transportation such as New York city, could have been avoided.

The protesters are wrong in thinking that a low death rate of the virus makes it a non-threat. It is certainly possible that many more people have the virus than is known ( https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-covid-possibly-children.html ) and that many of the deaths attributed to the virus are results of other causes. The virus is nevertheless dangerous because it is highly contagious, because the severity of cases widely differs without the ability to know in advance the severity of any case, because treatments are uncertain, because people without symptoms spread the virus, and because some recovered people have insufficient antibodies to prevent reinfection.

Business and political interests want the economy reopened, but if we are careless about the process the outcome can be a worse economic and health crisis.

Belief that the best policy is to let the virus spread in order to develop “herd immunity” is undercut by reinfection. There is no herd immunity to common colds or flu. I know people whose winter colds are followed by summer colds and people who get flu every year, flu shot or not.

There are many lessons that we should learn from the virus challenge. One is that a profit-driven health care system results in inadequate structure to deal with a pandemic. We need to break the hold of Big Pharma on our health care and medical education and substitute public health motivated medical professionals in place of profit. Another is that we must prevent selfish agendas from using disease to the disadvantage of the health and rights of the public. Politically weaponizing the virus, as has been done, is irresponsible in the extreme.

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  1. nickels says:

    The policy of isolation and social distancing has worked. It has reduced the infection rate to a manageable one in most places. One consequence of this success is to increase the sense of safety and the belief that the virus is a hoax being used to take away civil liberties. There is no doubt that the deep state and other agendas will make use of the virus for their purposes. But the virus is definitely real and not a hoax.

    I have great respect for PCR and read his work extensively, but completely disagree with this analysis.
    PCR needs to listen to the german scientists and review the latest STanford reports.
    Its the flu, bro.

  2. Another problem is, unlike a bad cold, it irrevocably damages heart, lung, kidney, liver, brain, you name it. So many people are “surviving” it, only to actually not “survive” it, just postpone their early demise.

    And don’t tell me it’s only old people. Health care providers, just for one example, are not old. Neither are most Swedish Somalis.

    • Replies: @ben sampson
    , @GalenMD
  3. @nickels

    Cretin.

    You can tell because you say “bro”. No further evidence needed.

  4. @nickels

    Germany is a real anomaly. It’s data looks as suspicious as China’s. It could well be true but I don’t think listening to their scientists when their data is totally unlike anyone else in Europe is a good idea.

    As for Stanford, the same thing could be true. What has happened on the West Coast is nothing like what has happened on the East Coast. The West Coast seems to have contracted the virus from Asia and the East Coast seems to have contracted the virus from Europe. The East coast data matches very well with what has happened in Europe and the West Coast data seems to match with what has happened in Asia.

    And there are three strains A, B, and C. A and C are predominant in Europe and the US and B is predominant in Asia.

    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117

    Before we could really say the Stanford analysis applies to the entire US, we would need to know the strains of the people who tested positive there and compare them to the strains of people who tested positive in the East Coast.

    • Replies: @nickels
  5. nickels says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Dude. Its a virus, there are no anamolies. Viruses are not magical shapshifters.
    They go around the world and do the same thing everywhere.
    Data collection, on the other hand, and pre-existing medical conditions can change.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
  6. swamped says:

    “If we had been prepared with protective gear, with an adequate supply of tests that work, with an understanding of the virus and its treatment, closedowns, other than perhaps in congested cities heavily dependent on public transportation such as New York city, could have been avoided”…and IF we could approach every problem – real & imagined – with the prescience of hindsight we’d be back in the Garden of Eden. Which is why we need to know – & at this point don’t – whether indeed “people of all ages and health conditions have died from the virus, OR from inappropriate treatment and prior conditions”. “There is no doubt that the deep state and other agendas will make use of the virus for their purposes. But the virus is definitely real and not a hoax”…but there is a real doubt as to whether belief in the “success” of social isolation was over-hyped. So far, the jury is still out on the Swedish experiment. But at least in Sweden, citizens don’t feel compelled to go ” protesting against the policy, with some marching around with weapons.”
    “No doubt that the policy [outside of Sweden] has costs that offset in part its benefits. But the question remains whether protest is an intelligent response or selfishness and a paranoia of its own”…in other words, whether it’s better to err on the side of the deep state. “There is no herd immunity to common colds or flu. I know people whose winter colds are followed by summer colds and people who get flu every year, flu shot or not…but if the Wuhan plague is really “mistakenly compared” to the fl, then this shouldn’t be relevant. In any case, we simply cannot afford to keep the society locked down – or locked – up much longer. It’s not just that “business and political interests want the economy reopened”, it’s average joe’s, who don’t have that luxury, as the protests show.
    “In Chinese and Japanese cities where the spread of the virus was successfully controlled and the cities reopened, the result has been a second wave of infections”…and what will they do? One of the BBC articles in the link explains: “one local government official working on epidemic suppression in Hokkaido told us they may now have to keep measures in place for much longer. ‘We feel we have to keep on doing the same thing,’ he said. ‘The goal is to minimise contact between people to stop the spread of the virus.’ So how long does that mean?’Till we find a vaccine’.”
    Ok, so let’s all hide-in-place & wait for Big Pharma to save us??

  7. Kali says:

    Surely its clear case that the lethality of this cirinavirus, is exaggerated every time a person dies and that death is recorded as due to the virus, regardless of what actually kills them?

    I’ve just come from reading Gilad Atzmon new article comparing the severity of this current virus with the much worse 2017-18 flu virus which hit America particularly hard. His question (and he is far from alone in this) is why did the CDC and the WHO treat the 2017 flu as any other influenza, despite its documented lethality and morbidity, and why declare this new virus a pandemic given it is a lot less lethal than the former?

    Something is certainly afoot here. Could it be that Event 201 got Bill all hot for ‘real’ simulated global emergency, so he could deploy his quantum dot technology on a frightened, confused and frustrated public? Enabled and deployed alongside the 5g network, which at given frequencies (60 hertz) starves the body of oxygen in a much the same way that the coronavirus is said to?

    In the meantime our governments and their scientific advisors tell us that the only way out of this “crisis” are manditory vaccinations and ubiquitous tracking systems. And, once again, the “philanthropist” Bill is on the scene with solutions.

    Don’t misunderstand me. I know that people are really dying. But I seriously question the diagnosis – or, I should say, a good percentage of the diagnosises. Particularly as many of those diagnosises are guessed rather than tested.

    How many times have we been exposed to the “worst-case scenario” predictions of mad scientists using computer models and bad data to explain to us how we are the problem and our numbers need to be culled, a thing upon which the world’s first soon-to-be trillionaire, Bill Gates wholeheartedly agrees?

    This virus is being used to usher the world into a new technocratic age governed by “philanthropic” Plutocrats, whilst people stand on their doorsteps and clap.

    I’m pleased that the Americans, Germans, French and others are protesting against the lockdown. I only wish the Brit’s would do the same!

    Fond regards,
    Kali.

  8. The main thing we are learning from this is that we are surrounded by anxiety ridden pussies who happily abandon social liberty and embrace totalitarianism when panicked by media sensationalism.

  9. @nickels

    Wrong. There are different strains:

    • Replies: @nickels
  10. Many of us survived the 1968 Hong Kong flu relatively unharmed, and the world economy pretty much remained open for business as usual despite a couple million deaths. The so-called Spanish flu culled as many as 50 million souls, and the world remained open for business as usual plus a World War.

    Obladi, oblada, life goes on, bra,
    La-la how their life goes on.

    Seriously, I’m at an at-risk age and a cancer survivor, so it’s on me to decide if I want to run the risk of continuing to participate in the economy or take myself out of it to tend my garden. Many folks my age don’t have the luxury to make a choice, but it is being made for them anyway at great cost to them because many of them made bad choices earlier in life. Many of them will still die, but in wretched squalor in a brutish world rather than in merely unfortunate circumstances in a cold, calculating world. Where’s the social justice here?

    Closing the economy was never an adult choice. It is a choice of several childish generations that have no concept of the consequences of choice and the inevitability of death.

    • Replies: @davidgmillsatty
    , @Wielgus
  11. @The Alarmist

    It is not just about participating in the economy. It is about making other people feel like they must be prisoners in their own homes if they think the risk of infection is too great to leave it. It is about infecting other people and not giving a shit about what happens to them or their families.

    It is kind of like getting on the road with a bunch of drunks.

    What I wonder is whether so many people will be afraid of leaving home after the lockdowns are lifted, that vast numbers of businesses fail anyway. You can’t make scared people who don’t have to leave their homes, take the risk of shopping or going out to dinner or movies or entertainment, just to save the economy.

  12. Corvinus says:
    @nickels

    “Its the flu, bro.”

    Actually, it’s not.

    “PCR needs to listen to the german scientists and review the latest STanford reports.”

    Yes, let us look at one particular German scientist, Dr Wolfgang Wodarg. Use Google Translate.

    https://www.swr.de/wissen/dr-wodarg-versucht-corona-zu-verharmlosen-100.html

    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/ohne-fundament-arzt-nennt-corona-massnahmen-panikmache,RtaPFlQ

    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/faktencheck-wolfgang-wodarg-verbreitet-thesen-die-wichtige-tatsachen-ignorieren/25654104.html

    • Replies: @RationalRabbit
    , @nickels
  13. Richard B says:
    @nickels

    I don’t know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone who has this thing.

    • Agree: BuelahMan
  14. Avianthro says:

    Take a dose of science and call me in the morning:

    https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/

    When this virus was first detected and identified (and that may be long after it was actually infecting the human population) it was much more of a mystery and was deserving of rapid response due to its then apparent potential to be far more deadly (infection fatality rate) than the flu or other corona viruses that are always out there, and to be at least as easily transmissible. The massive mistake of the Trump admin was the failure to react quickly and professionally to follow the example set in S. Korea and China itself…to nip the thing in the bud. Now that we have much better science and can see that the virus is not a significantly more serious health hazard than the flu, definitely not enough of a hazard to warrant economic shutdown…The Swedish strategy is clearly correct.

    Trump, the positional captain of the ship, and his crew screwed the pooch totally with a lousy initial response that not only resulted in a larger death toll than necessary but also in huge economic damage which now may take far more lives than the virus ever would have. At this point though the virus has been “politicized” by almost everyone in every which way, and the herd is still in panic mode thanks to all the media attention and misinformation. It almost seems as if we really don’t want to be rid of the virus too soon, so that it can be milked for full benefit by all who want to get something out of it. Ah well, the science is the reality…Even if we don’t want it to go away, it looks as though it’s on its way, but the political-economic ramifications are yet to be seen…a mixed bag of good, bad, and ugly, and everybody’s got a theory on all of that…What a circus over a bug that turns out to be no 1918-class boogeyman at all!

    Damn lucky it turned to be that of course…just a shot across the bow to give a relatively benign warning that we’d better be prepared a whole lot better for whatever virus is coming next. Better act as though the next shot’s gonna be a direct hit.

    Other science to consider, a chance for some pro-active evasive action, like changing the way we get our food, instead of becoming vaccinated and 5G-tagged:

    https://www.grain.org/en/article/6437-new-research-suggests-industrial-livestock-not-wet-markets-might-be-origin-of-covid-19

  15. @obwandiyag

    where did you get that from,,all round bodily damage by the virus?

    I have not heard that anywhere before from anyone at all, no expert said anythng of the sort..that survival is only a manner of speaking

  16. nickels says:
    @davidgmillsatty

    Of the same virus. Which means they differ only slightly.

  17. GalenMD says:
    @obwandiyag

    Influenza, and other viruses do the same thing, and nobody cares. It does not warrant a shut down of the entire society.

    Most of COVID-19 deaths are a) presumed, even negative on PCR(!), or b) positive-test, but death was clearly due to other underlying causes (heart attack, stroke, stage 4 cancer, pulmonary embolism, DKA, appendicitis, gunshot, suicide, etc).

    Among the NYC deaths, 98% had 1+ co-morbidity. Less than 2% of deaths were healthy without underlying illness. And 0/8811 deaths in the healthy and under 18 group.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  18. Very unfortunate that both Unz and PCR have fallen for the #CoronaHoax. They’re so perceptive on other issues; I’m just flabbergasted that they can’t see through this obvious fraud. Very disappointing. It’s also kind of surprising how easily fooled most of the HBD crowd here has been: Steve Sailer, Anatoly Karlin, etc. You’d think that, being so data-driven, they would have been the first to know that the official story was bogus simply be combing through the wealth of information that’s available.

    Most peculiar!

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Realist
  19. anarchyst says:

    Obtain and watch the movie “V For Vendetta”. This exact scenario is played in the movie:

    –Create an engineered virus

    –Release the virus into the population and dramatize the deaths of children

    –Declare a “medical emergency” and suspend “civil liberties” for medical reasons

    –Discover an “antidote” (made by the same company that created the virus)

    Mission accomplished–civil liberties abolished permanently without firing a shot.

  20. Wielgus says:
    @The Alarmist

    The 1918 flu was deliberately censored for much of its course – it was competing with WW1 as a killer and mentioning it was not conducive to morale. Despite being far more lethal than Covid-19 it was not discussed much until after the war ended.
    People in 1918 were however under no illusions about the Grim Reaper – a century later people seem less philosophical about death.

  21. “There are many lessons that we should learn from the virus challenge. One is that a profit-driven health care system results in inadequate structure to deal with a pandemic.”

    Comparing the pandemic experience of the USA with that of the UK, Italy, France and Spain suggests that publicly-funded, government controlled health care systems don’t do any better at dealing with a pandemic than does the USA’s current health care system.

  22. “Belief that the best policy is to let the virus spread in order to develop ‘herd immunity’ is undercut by reinfection. There is no herd immunity to common colds or flu. I know people whose winter colds are followed by summer colds and people who get flu every year, flu shot or not.”

    It would seem that Mr. Roberts is suggesting that so long as SARS-CoV-2 poses a public health threat we should shut down a large portion of the economy, create levels of unemployment greater than any seen since the Great Depression, and subject a large proportion of the population to what is essentially a form of incarceration.

    Based on the above quote, Mr. Roberts also seems to suggest that SARS-CoV-2 will pose a public health threat into the indefinite future, at least on a seasonal basis.

    Therefore Mr. Roberts seems to be advising that we should cripple the economy and incarcerate a large part of the population on an annual basis, sort of like a national potlatch to assuage the gods of pestilence and death.

    Fortunately, Mr. Roberts is incorrect in his assertion that there is no herd immunity to colds or flu. The various cold and flu viruses were more than likely far more lethal to human populations when they first appeared than now. Gradually, natural selection weeded out those most susceptible to these many viruses. The remaining population is now genetically predisposed to suffer less from them. They’ve become an annual aggravation not a catastrophe. Similarly, SARS-CoV-2 will sooner or later pose less of a threat as those most susceptible to it are selected out.

    This is natural selection in action. It is an inevitable natural process, It can be delayed at enormous expense or accepted with attempts to ameliorate the misery it causes. But it will happen. Attempts to prevent it only delay the inevitable while imposing other, easily avoidable, and perhaps greater miseries.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  23. KenH says:

    With all due respect to Dr. Roberts even though he spurned millions of dollars to bring us the truth he’s still wealthy and doesn’t need to worry about getting a steady paycheck, so it’s rather easy for him to advocate for a continued shutdown. Yes, there are risks to opening up but remaining sheltered in place is not sustainable for much longer. If we do what Dr. Roberts proposes then we’ll be on periodic shutdown the next 1-2 years until we can create a complete profile of the COVID-19 virus.

    Anyone advocating a longer shutdown should not be able to touch their wealth or receive a paycheck (like government bureaucrats and elected representatives) until the economy opens back up. Further, we will give them $1200 Trump bucks and that’s all they’ll have to live on until we open back up.

    Something tells me the scaremongers and advocates for an indefinite shutdown would be whistling a different tune.

  24. There are many lessons that we should learn from the virus challenge.

    Yes, not the least of which is what are the hardest three words for scientists, epidemiologists and Paul Craig Roberts to say – I don’t know.

    Any scientist who says we know this or that doesn’t have the first clue about the scientific method. Since science is always contingent on the next experiment, the greatest certainty any real scientist can state is we think we know this or that.

    The same goes for epidemiologists who always work with vastly incomplete data and inaccuracies within the data they have.

    In our republic, citizens are supposed to educate themselves the best they can and act accordingly. If you think those who argue that Covid-19 is the greatest plague since the Black Death are convincing, by all means, quarantine yourself or isolate yourself. You do not have the right to lock everyone in their homes and persecute every one who disagrees with you and behave like Torquemada trying to save everyone’s soul.

  25. @GalenMD

    Lying troll. Are you glad you agree with your owners? As a prostitute, it’s important to love up your pimps.

  26. Every country with the exception of Sweden found it necessary to close down at least part of the economy in order to prevent the highly infectious virus from overwhelming their medical care systems. The exponential rate of infection together with a lack of sufficient health resources obviously meant an overwhelmed system that would be unable to provide care for those suffering from other illnesses and deadly conditions, such as heart attacks.

    Sweden’s death rate looks much better right now than many countries that resorted to the unproven practice of lockdowns like the US. The theory was that lockdowns were necessary to prevent overwhelming the healthcare system with coronavirus cases that never materialized. There was “no overwhelmed system,” except for perhaps briefly for NYC. Instead, hospitals across the country are mostly empty and many healthcare workers have been furloughed.

    The success of social isolation economic failure of the lockdown has produced a belief that the virus was over-hyped, causing some people to call the policy into question.

    There. Fixed it.

    https://medium.com/@jbgeach/changing-the-goalposts-four-more-reasons-it-is-safe-to-open-america-560cfc0ab4c3

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Mark G.
  27. @Corvinus

    Yes, let us look at one particular German scientist, Dr Wolfgang Wodarg. Use Google Translate.

    https://www.swr.de/wissen/dr-wodarg-versucht-corona-zu-verharmlosen-100.html

    https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/ohne-fundament-arzt-nennt-corona-massnahmen-panikmache,RtaPFlQ

    https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/faktencheck-wolfgang-wodarg-verbreitet-thesen-die-wichtige-tatsachen-ignorieren/25654104.html

    Rather than have everyone wade through your links, summarize the three our four most compelling arguments in your own words that you think prove your point that Covid-19 is more harmful than the flu.

  28. nickels says:
    @Corvinus

    Covidinus,

    All three articles you sent were drive by swipes.
    I don’t read such things.
    If someone has a thesis and wants to present an argument, I will read it.

    I do find it immensely satisfying to see your articles, however. Because what they mean is that the establishment has completely lost control of the narrative and is playing a desperate game of trying to put out fires.

    Too late. The truth is out.

    Another study from LA today showing 30-50x the number of infections compared to tested cases, once again, reducing the mortality estimates by 30-50x.

    http://www.publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/mediapubhpdetail.cfm?prid=2328

    Its the flu, bro.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  29. Mark G. says:
    @Weston Waroda

    Sweden may look even better a year from now. Their cases may slowly taper off while other countries have a spike when they end the lockdowns.

    A fair number of the Swedish deaths may be immigrant related. Immigrants themselves are passing away at higher rates. Swedish nursing homes also have large numbers of immigrant employees and often due to poor Swedish language skills and lack of intelligence they have trouble following directions on what they need to do to stop the spread of the disease and take care of the patients. Sweden has a lot of nursing homes with larger numbers of people in each one than other nearby Scandinavian countries so this stopping the spread is very important. You also have to consider the immigrant employees may not actually care that much about old people who are not part of their ethnic group. Letting a lot of immigrants into your country rather than having children and then expecting them to take good care of you when you are very elderly may not be a good idea.

  30. Corvinus says:
    @nickels

    “All three articles you sent were drive by swipes. I don’t read such things.”

    That would a problem on your part. Safe in your bubble?

    “If someone has a thesis and wants to present an argument, I will read it.”

    Which is found in those sources.

    “Because what they mean is that the establishment has completely lost control of the narrative and is playing a desperate game of trying to put out fires.”

    Not in the least.

    Its the flu, bro.”

    Except it’s not.

  31. Realist says:
    @mh505

    I agree with your comment.

  32. Realist says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    You’d think that, being so data-driven, they would have been the first to know that the official story was bogus simply be combing through the wealth of information that’s available.

    Most peculiar!

    Yes, the same is true for most on Steve Hsu’s blog.

    https://infoproc.blogspot.com/

    A number of physicists there got off on the Covid-19 tangent…totally out of their expertise and spent days pontificating when the data was useless…hubris?…probably.

  33. endthefed says:
    @nickels

    The Stanford report is fantastically flawed using the worst performing tests, generally self selected participants, dodgy statistics and way overstated and unjustified conclusions. peakprosperity.com

    • Replies: @Anon
  34. rarely disagree with pcr but he surprises me with his bias of ‘selfishness’ for those opposing lockdowns without evidence [healthy people] as offending the apparent absolute right of populations to be free from virus risks. does such concern exist anywhere in constitutional history or law? no, for good reason. would have assumed pcr would be first among peers to understand his bias is the perfect pretext for deep state mischief v civil rights and liberties, but he has fallen into the anti-liberty trap so abhorred and foreseen by the founders that they conceived the bill of ‘natural’ rights; hardly selfish but rather acts of ‘nature’s god’ [as jefferson put it in the declaration]. locking people up, in homes or otherwise, with no compelling evidence of individual threat, offends every usa civil liberties value known. if a mere virus can today overcome the oceans of blood spent for constitutional liberty i am moving to sweden where they did not need an ‘american revolution’ to judge otherwise.

  35. Anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @endthefed

    The Stanford report is fantastically flawed using the worst performing tests, generally self selected participants, dodgy statistics and way overstated and unjustified conclusions. ———-.com

    Troll who just wants you to click on his link which says nothing about the points in post.

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