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Having looked at the swelling of the Tea Party, I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s not a uniform movement. There are at least three different movements trying to give the impression of being one. The most influential of these movements is the one that fits most easily into the GOP. It is associated with Sarah Palin, Karl Rove, and other Republican regulars appearing on Fox. It emphasizes what Dick Morris describes as “economic issues exclusively,” and those issues can be summed up as Obamacare and some of the ill-considered bailouts passed by the Democratic Congress since 2008.

These protestors against the Democrats are by no means hardliners, and they already enjoy places of honor at the GOP table. These spokespersons for “smaller government” are not asking for much that the party can’t give them. Or else they are asking for what GOP leaders might claim they would give them if the media and Democratic politicians allowed them to do more. Such Republicans have made it a practice to scream loudly at the Dems. But they also tend to fall meekly into line once their party returns to power.

In 1994 after the great Republican congressional sweep, the late journalist Robert Novak urged the new House Speaker Newt Gingrich to abolish government-promoted quotas for minorities. Gingrich is reputed to have explained to Novak that there’s no reason to drive away blacks, women, and Hispanics by doing anything risky. In any case Republicans would vote Republican, no matter what. Gingrich was of course right.

What the Speaker might have also mentioned was that the 1992 Civil Rights Act, which re-institutionalized quotas after the Reagan administration had backed away from them, was mostly a Republican achievement. President G.H.W. Bush and Senate Minority leader Robert Dole had strongly backed the bill and induced Republicans in Congress to get behind it. Only heaven knows why a Republican Congress, once back in control, would have bothered to rescind it. Their voters were happy simply having their party win elections.

This group of Republican non-insurgents often shares the stage with another bunch of Tea Party activists. Although this second group may applaud the ungrammatical platitudes and gesticulating of Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck, it seems driven by something more than fear of Obamacare or anxiety about losing Medicare payments. This group senses that something was wrong with the government long before John McCain lost the presidential sweepstakes in 2008.

The quintessential representative of this position is the Tea Party senatorial candidate in Nevada Sharron Angle, who is battling Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid. Angle laments the growth of the federal bureaucracy in her lifetime (she’s now in her sixties) and calls for abolishing the Department of Education and privatizing at least part of Social Security. She also makes clear that she dislikes the “reforms” of FDR, but unlike Beck and other Republican noisemakers, Angle is specific about what she wants to see put on the road to extinction, starting with Social Security.


She quotes her grandfather, who thought that every program we receive from the federal or state government diminishes our freedom. Angle is not a Republican pretending to be something else, but an undisguised opponent of the New Deal, Great Society, and whatever other congressional programs came after. Her suggestion about dumping the Department of Education made Fox-news contributors treat her as a kook, until it became obvious that Angel might win. It was thereafter necessary to welcome her into the GOP club.

A third group of Tea Party enthusiasts are people like Carl Paladino, the GOP gubernatorial candidate in New York who is headed for a humiliating defeat at the hands of liberal Democrat Andrew Cuomo. Paladino has not handled himself with tact, but that is not the only reason he is going to lose in a very blue state. He has also angered the neoconservative journalistic establishment, and particularly the editors of the widely circulated New York Post, by openly expressing his distaste for the gay movement. The Post and its editors have bent backward to court gays for their Republican Party, one that is to be built on creating a “business-friendly” environment and on shaping a consensus for a vigorously interventionist foreign policy.

Paladino is revisiting social issues from the right in a way that has upset neoconservative journalists. And they have gone after him with a vengeance, digging up enough dirt about him to sink his career many times over. Paladino represents a strain in the Tea Party movement that Republican regulars as well as neoconservatives reject as “right-wing.” They are therefore working openly to promote the victory of his very left-of-center opponent in the New York gubernatorial race. Paladino’s opponents view different groups of Tea Party activists very differently. They realize not all of them are clubbable, and they are determined to destroy the ones who are not.

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  1. The Ruling Class vs. the people.
    Vote Libertarian, support Ron Paul.Neo-Cons are not conservatives they are Fascist Progressives.
    I don’t see the Libertarian faction of the Tea Party mentioned here so four Tea Parties?

  2. All factions of the Tea Party claim more or less to be “libertarian.” This is true even of Sarah Palin, who by now fits easily into the neocon camp. I’m not sure what “fascist-progressive” means in Don Yarish’s litany of invective. Unlike the neocons, fascists were usually ethnic nationalists with a predilection for social hierarchy. As my newest piece in the TAC is intended to make clear, both the neocons and the present conservative movement are far more leftist than most of the real Progressives. Just compare the Progressive Republican Herbert Hoover to such current neocon favs as Pat Moynihan, John McCain, and Joe Lieberman. Our neocons and Republicans assume a much larger and more instrusive administrative state than the kind of regime most Progressives intended to create.

  3. Michael says:

    The first of the modern “Tea Parties” is documented here:

  4. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think you’ve nailed the Paladino situation, Professor, but the Ron Paul people are missing in the above, plus anti-war affiliates. There certainly isn’t 1 Tea Party, and 3 doesn’t cover it either, although for electoral purposes you may be pretty close.

    Everybody seems to feel compelled to put a face on it or coopt it in some way, but by the usual electoral measures I think it’s inchoate. The only thing that unifies it has been pretty well identified by Pat Buchanan: “NO”.

    I also like to think that it’s a group of earnest, perceptive and concerned adults answering a kind of internal call in a time of national crisis and peril, harking to their own resources and the Constitution. They are the sort of responsible people who usually don’t much concern themselves with politics, but can no longer sit by and watch children, delinquents, incompetents and criminals run their government and wreck their country.

  5. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    You also forgot to mention Warren Redlich who is also running for Governor of New York as a Libertarian. He has challenged Paladino on his eminent domain abuses and his donations to Democratic campaigns.

  6. david says:

    “Libertarian”? This rhetoric about “freedom” is just about letting the CEO classes, the hedge fund managers, the real estate and stock market speculators a free hand in continuing to dismantle America’s economic security and hand it over to the forces of the “free market”–which doesn’t exist. The “free market” is a utopian fantasy not much different then the Communist fantasy about “equality”. There is no such thing as unrestrained freedom just as there is not such thing as perfect “equality”. The GOP might appeal to some folks whose attitude is “I have mine, the heck with everyone else”—but the GOP isn’t going to get a majority support as long as the majority of folks are hurting, know someone who has been hurt by these so-called “free market” policies.

  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The only true tea party is described here:

    The ones you see in the media are NOT tea parties..

    TPE, TPP, TPN, all fakes.

    We are the only true teaparty.

  8. “Paladino is revisiting social issues from the right in a way that has upset neoconservative journalists.”

    I don’t think Paladino and his supporters are defined by this. He is certainly not a religious right socon. He has proven himself less than pious. He is more of an angry everyman type. His opposition to homosexuality is of the reactive type, not informed by his devotion to Christian sexual mores.

  9. Without unitary organization, ideology or official spokesmen, the “tea Party” simply represents the hopes of its adherents, the fears of its enemies and whatever hype the media happens to be pushing at a given time. Here’s one example. In the Texas republican gubernatorial primary, Debra Medina, a libertarian Ron Paul supporter, was labelled the “tea party candidate”. Yet when voters in that primary were exit polled, 60% of self-identified tea partiers voted for Rick Perry the incumbent governor, and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson and Debra Medina each got about 20%. In other words, the tea party vote was about 80% for the candidates of the Republican establishment. Keep in mind also how the victory of Scott Brown in Massachusetts was considered a great victory for the tea party.

  10. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The GOP establishment did not know it at the time, but in March 2008, they documented their first encounter with the Tea Party.

    The above thread documents the first time we as a movement went beyound just trying to get one guy elected and instead getting our OWN people elected and take on the GOP itself precinct by precinct in its own county committee rooms.

  11. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    David, spare us the Marxian drivel. Of course we are light years from a free society but that’s not the fault of Ayn Rand.
    The Left always bashes corporations and the rich regardless of whether the particular profits are from work in as much of a free market as we have (severely limited by the state) or government connected pull peddlers as Rand labeled them in Atlas Shrugged. If by “unrestrained” freedom you mean the right to violate someone else’s rights to individual ownership then such “freedom” would amount to the freedom to violate freedom. Equality of any sort has never existed so we don’t need to argue at all over equality and we can dismiss the whole concept out of hand.
    Dr. Gottfried, thanks for another thoughtful piece as we have long become accustomed to receiving from you.
    I just hope that you are not casting pearls before swine here when I read some of the numbskull responses.

  12. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:


    Based on your incoherent rant, I imagine you consider yourself a progressive, a champion of the “little guy”, a guy who thinks we need Big Government to protect us from Big Business, etc. If so, I suggest you read the book “The Triumph of Conservatism” by your fellow leftist Gabriel Kolko. Even though it was written over 40 years ago, it still serves as an accurate description of American corporatism and explains how Big Business fears the free market and loves the state. The same goes for the Big Business shills in the GOP.

  13. Kirt, I generally agree, but I believe Kay Bailey Hutchinson was the moderate candidate of the Republican Establishment, so people mistakenly viewed Perry as the conservative alternative.

  14. ian says:

    In what manner is Mrs Palin a libertarian? Shes straight fox news retread. She is against virtually everting a libertarian could be for.

  15. Red, no doubt many tea partiers saw Perry that way, but note that about as many saw Kaybaby as a valid carrier of their hopes as saw the libertarian Medina that way. And recall that self-appointed tea party guru Glenn Beck conducted an ambush interview with Medina which was designed to depict her as a kook. Add this to the tea party enthusiasm for Scott Brown and (along with much other evidence) it simply supports the conclusion that the tea partiers in their vast majority are simply the Republican sheeple we’ve always had with us who are easily manipulated and will not only vote for neocons, but for liberals if the right buttons are pushed. Libertarian leaning Sharon Angle and Rand Paul are partial exceptions to this, but even Angle is a foreign policy hardliner while Paul seems to have signed on to the Israel first agenda of the regime. I saw a recent poll on-line which indicated some decline in the numbers of self-identified tea partiers apparently caused by the gradual departure of libertarians. This probably indicates a certain amount of disillusionment among the latter.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    The Tea Party started on two platforms at about the same time. They were the impetus of the whole thing and both of them have been abandoned as the movement has been completely infiltrated and co-opted by the Republican Party.

    1.- The anti-bailout movement started in 2008 by Karl Deniger and others. That movement meant to stop the government from transferring wealth from the electorate to the TBTF Banks through massive bailouts and Quantitative Easing. This is no longer mentioned at Tea Party rallies although the practise is continuing and threatens to collapse the American economy. Here’s what Karl D has to say about that:

    2.- The other axis of the nascent Tea Party movement was the pro-liberty, anti-spending movement that spun off of Ron Paul’s Presidential Campaign, also in 2008. That movement demanded deep cuts in Federal spending, including military spending and ending the pointless wars.

    So the Tea Party no longer offers hope of change and it is clear that the Financial elite and the Military Industrial Complex have controlled the movement and eliminated discussion about their areas of power.

    The Tea Party is now a joke that parodies traditional conservative ideas.

  17. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    In the end, purity of idealogy is never elected. It isn’t on the ballot. If you went to every person, asked what they believe on a range of issues, you would find that they share all kinds of things, yet look at the situation slightly differently. As long as there is a government administration that is actively promoting a course that will dismantle who we are, what is wrong with “NO”? If I have to find a candidate who meets everything with my idealogy of conservatism, I might never find who I really want to run.

    The Democrats have succeeded for decades without a real ideaolgy. They have unions, guilty wealthy, wall street bankers, media, farmers, gays, environmentalists, women etc. What a group that is. You can’t get them to agree on everything, yet they get people elected and then push agendas. Hoping to find a party that will adhere to strict conservatism in every way, and then have candidates who will fit into a strict mold is not going to stop the other side.

  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    I would concur that it was this huge grassroots effort supporting Ron Paul that gave birth to this so-called modern Tea Party movement. The Ron Paul Revolution is still bursting with great fervor. Here is one of the many creative projects that took place at that time

  19. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Ten Questions for Tea Partiers
    Here are ten questions for Tea Partiers that they want or do not want to answer. I say it this way because people who call themselves Tea Partiers do not have the same view of politics, government, Big Business… or the Constitution. Their opinions range from pure Libertarian to actively furthering the privileges of plutocracy. Their income and occupational background vary as well, though most seem to be middle-income and up.

    My guess is that most Tea Partiers come from the conservative wing of the Republican Party who are fed up with both the corporate Republicans like Bush and Cheney, as well as the Democrats like Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

    With the above in mind, the following questions can serve to go beyond abstractions and generalizations of indignation and get to some more specific responses.

    1. Can you be against Big Government and not press for reductions in the vast military budgets, fraught with bureaucratic and large contractors’ waste, fraud and abuse? Military spending now takes up half of the federal government’s operating budgets. The libertarian Cato Institute believes that to cut deficits, we have to also cut the defense budget.

    2. Can you believe in the free market and not condemn hundreds of billions of dollars of corporate welfare-bailouts, subsidies, handouts, and giveaways?

    3. Can you want to preserve the legitimate sovereignty of our country and not reject the trade agreements known as NAFTA and GATT (The World Trade Organization in Geneva, Switzerland) that scholars have described as the greatest surrender of local, state and national sovereignty in our history?

    4. Can you be for law and order and not support a bigger and faster crackdown on the corporate crime wave, that needs more prosecutors and larger enforcement budgets to stop the stealing of taxpayers and consumer dollars so widely reported in the Wall Street Journal and Business Week? Law enforcement officials estimate that for every dollar for prosecution, seventeen to twenty dollars are returned.

    5. Can you be against invasions of privacy by government and business without rejecting the provisions of the Patriot Act that leave you defenseless to constant unlawful snooping, appropriation of personal information and even search of your home without notification until 72 hours later?

    6. Can you be against regulation of serious medical malpractice (over 100,000 lives lost a year, according to a study by Harvard physicians), unsafe drugs that have serious side effects or cause the very injury/illness they were sold to prevent, motor vehicles with defective brakes, tires and throttles, contaminated food from China, Mexico and domestic processors?

    7. Can you keep calling for Freedom and yet tolerate control of your credit and other economic rights by hidden and arbitrary credit ratings and credit scores? What Freedom do you have when you have to sign industry-wide fine print one-sided “contracts” with your banks, insurance companies, car dealers, and credit card companies? Many of these contracts even block your Constitutional access to the courthouse.

    8. Can you be for a new, clean system of politics and elections and still accept the Republican and Democratic Two Party dictatorship that is propped up by complex state laws, frivolous litigation and harassment to exclude from the ballot third parties and independent candidates who want reform, accountability, and stronger voices for the voters?

    9. If you want a return to our Constitution—its principles of limited and separation of power and its emphasis on “We the People” in its preamble—can you still support Washington’s wars that have not been declared by Congress (Article I Section 8) or giving corporations equal rights with humans plus special privileges and immunities. The word “corporation” or “company” never appears in the Constitution. How can you support eminent domain powers given by governments to corporations over homeowners, or massive week-end bailouts by the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department of businesses, even reckless foreign banks, without receiving the authority and the appropriations from the Congress, as the Constitution requires?

    10. You want less taxation and lower deficits. How can you succeed unless you stop big corporations from escaping their fair share of taxes by manipulating foreign jurisdictions against our tax laws, for example, or by letting trillions of dollars of speculation on Wall Street go without any sales tax, while you pay six, seven or eight percent sales tax on the necessities you buy in stores?

    Let’s hear from you Tea Partiers. Meanwhile, see the work of video-journalist, Steve Ference, who has interviewed and given voice to those among you in his new paperback “Voices of the Tea Party” published by on July 4, 2010. Contact [email protected].

  20. David,
    Libertarianism is not about “unrestrained freedom”. Human action is restrained from harming another person or their property. Free markets have been proven to allocate resources the most efficiently which creates wealth. Equality? No two humans are exactly equal in any way unless you suffer from some sort of Socialist dementia. You don’t like free markets or it seems freedom in general so you are fitted to be a happy slave of big brother but for some unknown reason you don’t like Communism either?

    Mr Gottfried- Marxism, Fascism, Nazism are all variants of the progressive movement roughly defined as a small elite group of folks that view themselves further along the evolutionary process i.e. smarter and more morally advanced than the masses and therefore entitled to rule the rest of us for our own good since we are incapable of conducting are own lives intelligently.

    Not really a dimes worth of difference hence in my lexicon we have Fascist/Progressives, Marxist/Progressives, Nazi/Progressives et. al.

    It is best to destroy this entire ruling class, the Constitution was designed to prevent tyranny and as Jefferson made clear a little revolution from time to time purges the filth from the system. How’s that for some invective?

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    This is the most important election of my time. As I say below, our country’s very survival depends on the electorate to come to their senses and stop this mad march to soviet style socialism.
    Thanks again for the forum .

    I want to address the past primaries and the future of our country in general. It is apparent beyond all doubt that the establishment on both sides are deathly afraid of the so called Tea Party (and thus the electorate in general) and they well should be! For those of you who prefer to live in a cave, the Tea Party from my view is not just about returning to conservative principles. The people who are aligning themselves behind this movement are looking for so much more. We are looking for men and women of principle! We want representatives that obey the will of the people, not their leaders or their own power lust! We want a return to the bedrock principles this country was founded on! We sure as hell do not want to be told we are racists, hate mongers or all the other names we are called just because we disagree with the direction this country is being taken. We believe in free speech, not “Obama says you will think and say as I want”.

    The Tea Party movement is many things to many people. To those in power, it is a threat. To those who believe in the hard core Marxist principles being espoused by this administration, it is a threat! For those who believe our country needs to subvert itself to the whims of Islamic Fanatics, or Euro Socialism or whatever else, it is a threat!

    As such, there are way too many people who do not remotely understand what is happening here. Our fighting men and women, our forefathers who gave their blood and lives for this country, they understand! Unfortunately, the folks that have either had everything handed to them or instead have chosen to ride on the back of others instead of being responsible for themselves combined with the elected morons who realize keeping people reliant on government insures their power, they do not understand!

    The Tea Party movement is not a fight for the heart and soul of the Republican party! A co-opted media led by a hard core left wing wanna be dictatorship government would want you to believe that it is in fact all about the Republicans. And they would be dead wrong! The Tea Party movement is a fight for the heart and soul of our country! It is a fight to return us to what made us the greatest country in the world! How sad that entrenched politicians on the right along with the garbage on the left cannot or refuse to understand such a basic tenet!

  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    To Langa,

    “The Triumph of Conservatism” is, IMHO, one of the most important books on American history ever written – certainly the most important work ever written on the so-called Progressive Era. I am finally reading it in its entirety for the first time after years of reading excerpts which have been posted on this site, Lew Rockwell and others.

  23. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    HOLD ON! There is a FOURTH ‘Tea Party,’ which is really the FIRST and TRUE ‘Tea Party’ spawned from the ‘Ron Paul Revolution.’ These ‘Tea Partier’s REJECT ALL THREE which Gottfried named as ILLEGITIMATE.

    In every example Paul gave there is not a single true ‘Patriot’ in the lot of them. There are, however, LOTS of warmongering Neocons and Statists (of which Angle, Palin, Gingrich, Paladino, et al., all are part of). Just because Angle mouths statements such as “closing the Dept. of Education,” (spawned from Ron Paul), or that she and “libertarian” fraud Glenn Beck might stumble across a few truths now and then does NOT make them a ‘Tea Partier’ in the true sense of the word.

    A TRUE ‘Tea Partier’ endorses RON PAUL and candidates who mirror his image and platform. True ‘Tea Partiers’ are patently AGAINST the present WARS, INVASIONS, and OCCUPATIONS, support NON-INTERVENTION, support a SEVERE cut-back in ‘Government,’ an end/revamp of the IRS, a complete overhaul of the TAX system, repeal of ‘HOMELAND SECURITY,’ ‘PATRIOT ACT,’ abolish the TSA, return of the GOLD STANDARD, repeal of ALL Civil Liberty-destroying legislation, CLOSING of our unnecessary OVERSEAS BASES, IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL of ALL of our troops from the MIDDLE EAST (including Afghanistan and Iraq), a CESSATION of threats aimed towards IRAN and begin CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE ENGAGEMENT with its regime, and perform whatever MEASURES NECESSARY to RETURN OUR ECONOMY to a healthy state through a return of our INDUSTRY and getting rid of the current failed Keynesian Economic model.

  24. I’m rather surprised at the negativity and misunderstanding of the normally very astute Professor Gottfried. The TP leaders are the usual do-nothing cretins, though many of the actual candidates, like Angle, Rand Paul, Ken Buck and others, are serious conservatives or libertarians.

    But what is the grassroots? Obviously, it is inchoate, representing, as do all mass movements, many separate ideologies and personal psyches. But what unites people, besides rage at the disgusting rip-offs of our time, is a sense that Real Americans are Losing Their Country!

    So what is the TP? It is the latest expression of San Francis’s Middle American Revolution. It is, indeed, the very last IDEOLOGICAL expression of the MAR. The next rightist ferment, sometime around 2025, will be openly ethnonationalist – and that will be the hegemonic ideology of the Right thereafter (or until the US finally collapses into warring ethnostates, after which point future prognostication is impossible).

  25. Prof. Gottfried:

    Why dismiss these excellent TPers? What else is going on? What are you doing? If the people don;t do their own activism, and fight back, who will protect us?

  26. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    The original Tea Party was populated by the supporters of Ron Paul, and had nothing to do with the ReThuglican Party elitists.

    In that Tea Party Sarah Palin would have been laughed off the stage rather than invited to lead it. Once again a good idea co-opted by the one party system.

  27. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    So Halloween comes 2 days before the election and every Republican dresses up as a Tea Partyer. No surprise. But what did you expect? Of course it is despicable and offensive. These inept bureau-leeches who, for all their fraudulent sympathy for your situation, shamelessly take you for brainless retards incapable of noticing their bad acting and the obvious “wardrobe malfunctions”. As if you’re fool enough to think that 3ft tall kid in the plastic mask is the REAL Spiderman too.

    Its a joke, and an insult. And if you are insulted, GOOD NEWS! You can go out tomorrow and take out your fury on exactly the people who deserve it, and in the way that hurts them most: KICK THEM OFF THE GRAVY TRAIN. Just be sure to spare no Republican, either, even the ones who scream Tea Party as you club them.

    The Tea Party says “Vote the bums out”. Not “the Democrats”, but THE BUMS. The same crooks who check which way the wind is blowing before speaking. The same crooks who made us all want smaller government when they were holding the cards, not the ones are promising it now the shoe is on the other foot. The election will be a great litmus test for America. Just how gullible and short sighted are we? Will we simply hand the balance of power back to Republicans blasting empty promises out of both sides of their mouths. Or will we get a TRUE Tea Party rout, where no party benefits, but rather every seat is rotated, and the new owner’s are met with a stern eye and a ticking clock? Folks, you better ALL hope its the latter. This is our ABSOLUTE LAST CHANCE TO SAVE AMERICA’S WEALTH. If we turn this country right back to the same Republican majority without condition, the America that we read about in history books and sing about in songs of glory will be gone. We are one step from financial oblivion. By the next election, America’s wealth will be gone forever. If anything but the harshest sternest message is sent to both parties, candidate by candidate, we will lose this country forever.

    Of course we all know that, sadly, Americans are this dumb, gullible and selfish, and will destroy 200+ years of history for any frivolous promise, no matter how transparent. We didn’t get to this point by accident…

  28. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    After the lies of the Clinton administration, and its arrogant bombing of Serbia to please the neocons, the Democratic brand was very tarnished! Bush ran under “humility” in foreign policies, and no “nation building”! He lied, and the Republican brand got tarnished severely to the extent that the American public elected a guy who hates America, a guy who’s name rimes with our arch enemy Osama, a guy who is a closet Muslim, and a guy who has no experience or even birth certificate. Republicans in the know understand very well that Bush has caused their brand to be radioactive. These republicans rebranded themselves as “Tea Party”! Most republicans are not CEOs, and not Billionaires, but they fight for the so called “free enterprise”, which is a code word for a card blanch for the deviants of Wall Street to scam the rest of us.

    We actually had income tax as high as 80% on the top 2% of Americans? Now the so called Republicans are crying that the tax is going to be 27%? Do you suppose the stupid Joe-Six-Pack republican knows that he in defending the deviants who are rubbing him blind?

  29. It is almost comical if not so tragic to watch the voters first reject the Bush Fascists, now it appears reject the Obama Marxists as they careen from a rock and a hardplace.
    Amazing that they still can’t see how they are being duped by the Ruling Class and it’s one party Republicrat farce.

    We need a Ron Paul revolution, peaceful nullifying civil disobedience similar to Gandhi. There is no solution within the political system as it exists today, we need a massive change in Americans mindset and sad to say it still seems a long way off; if ever.

  30. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I agree with MoreTeaParties. This movement has been castigated and denounced by both left and right, and the reason is because the Tea Party wants Washington Insiders out of power. The neocons are quite happy with their positions of power via their exposure in media. The liberals are just hungry to control the lives of as many “peons” as possible and greedily hang on to their positions of power via their cronies in the media and with heavy financial help from big businesses like GE and Goldman Sachs. Some of the liberals’ fiercest advocates are half wits like Joy Behar, who should be fired for her uncalled-for diatribe against someone she doesn’t know, simply because the woman had the “audacity” to take on the liberals’ slave Harry Reid. Tea Partiers are tired of seeing people put down and called “stupid” or worse because they dare to run for political office, and tired of debates that focus on personal attacks and avoid the issues most of us are concerned about, such as cuts in Medicare, and our perilous economic situation. They have ideas they believe conform to the U.S. Constitution, suc as the Second and Tenth Amendments, which shouldn’t even be under attack by ignorant pols and their media partners. The Tea Party is good for America, like it or not. At least some of us, especially those whose Congressional representatives ignore our letters, e-maisl, and phone calls, finally have a voice that is heard.

  31. Is the 2nd group a Jeffersonian revival? If so, what are they doing in the Federalist-Whig-Republican-Neoconservative Party (really the same party)?

    Woodrow the Worst destroyed the old Jeffersonian party, turning into a socialist party by letting the socialists take over. Can Tea Party #2 take over the Republican Party? I wish them well, but I have my doubts. For if anything are opposites, it’s Hamilton and Jefferson.

  32. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Responses to Hungry’s list:

    1. No. A true tea partier would cut ‘defense’ spending. Also, CATO is about as libertarian as Ms. Palin.

    2. No, but bailouts, subsidies, etc. are not the free market. They are state intervention.

    3. No. There is nothing ‘free’ about these so-called free-trade agreements

    4. No. Corporate crime must be punished, but the only way they get tax dollars is through the state. If they need money for these prosecutions, end the War on Drugs.

    5. No. A true tea partier would have the PATRIOT Act abolished.

    6. Yes. Every legal drug that has killed someone was approved by the FDA. All medical treatment has risks. Malpractice happens, and doctors are punished for it through law suits. What other regulation is necessary?

    7. Yes. It is at the lender’s discretion that you are given credit. If they look to a central database for your credit information, so be it. If there is an error, it can be fixed. And you do have access to this information by law.

    8. No. A true tea partier would remove all restrictions on getting third-party candidates on ballots.

    9. Absolutely not. Anyone supporting this kind of executive power supports despotism, which is true of many Republicans.

    10. People don’t work to pay taxes. Corporations avoid taxes because taxes reduce profits. Is this evil? Absolutely not; the goods you buy are cheaper because of this. There’s no such thing as a tax on corporations- all taxes are levied on people. Higher taxes on business are passed onto the buyer. Plus, the rich pay a much higher percentage on their much higher income in taxes, and get little back from social programs. “Their fair share” is more than paid for.

    You, like the majority of Americans, are a statist, and yet every problem you proposed is caused by and large by the state.

  33. The birth of the Tea Party movement began, I believe, in 2007 with the uprising against the elite and the shoot-down of their illegal immigration amnesty policy. That same anger is present today as a vehement protest against marginalization of their perceived birthrights.

  34. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Fourth faction – no longer a relevant faction. The remnants of the Ron Paul campaign for president who started it all with their Tea Party on November 5, 2007.

  35. There’s something rather oddly missing from Gottfried’s commentary: no mention of military (“defense”) and foreign policy.

    But that is where the original tea partiers — Ron Paul supporters, essentially — are so different from mainstream conservative Republicans. Indeed, hardline conservative Republicans are arguably more at odds with Ron Paulians over military/foreign policy than just about any politically viable movement in America can be.

    I’m unaware of a single Tea Party-branded Republican nominee for the House or Senate in 2010 who has a serious prospect of winning — and I reluctantly include even Rand Paul in this respect — who is any kind of forthright supporter of the kind of neutralist, non-interventionist foreign policy associated with Ron Paul (with the exception of Ron Paul himself, a candidate for reelection to the House, of course).

  36. ian says:

    Spongesucks right on virtually all counts on his 10 answers. Theres nothing Libertarian about the T Party… frankly they make me sick. Biotching and whining about government intervention but dont touch my Medicaid/Medicare. Pathetic. They’re no different from the french public servants striking because they dont want to lose their entitlements. Give me back my country waaahh . I spelt it correctly so it can’t be a T party quote. Try reading a frikn book or watching something that isn’t Fox.

    You can’t have bigger goverment intervention than building an empire and passing the Patriot Act ..all fully supported by the Tea Party (or should it be called the Koch Bros party) The Tea Party are in love with Government spending ( what do you think defense is?) and intervention .. the beef is..they just don’t want to pay for it.

    They’re a walking IQ test …support them and you are uneducated and stupid. Just read the signs! You deserve all you get from the two parties that run the US. Clue guys you can’t run two wars without paying taxes you just can’t. I say cancel Medicaid/medicare or means test it, cancel the foreign adventures and gut the armed forces and their cosy suppliers, cancel subsidies for agricultural production and then hey maybe there’s less taxation. Saying hey we’ll cut waste and that’ll do it… is fantasy.

    BTW stepping on that young girls head… not cool T partiers not cool at all. I hope you don’t call yourselves consevatives or republicans. If thats the standard best the T party shuts up about the Constitution. Perhaps they should try reading it.

  37. Chip says:

    “These protestors against the Democrats…”

    WRONG. That is exactly what all of the pundits get wrong about the current political sentiment in America. It should read, “These protestors against incumbents…”

    It finally is time to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I think Ron Paul would agree to be un-elected if it meant throwing every last “bum” out of Congress. The mainstream media know this and won’t print it, and the rest of the media won’t print it because they either are fearful or don’t comprehend the current alienation of such a large percentage of the American public.

    Co-option of the “Tea Party” movement will not work because there is no such “Tea Party.” Rather, there are millions upon millions of pissed-off Americans who want to get corrupt politicians out of the seats they now hold. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Washington.

  38. Ian and spongesuck are quite correct.
    Nothing Libertarian about the Tea Party at all.
    Just a bunch of Neo-Con dupes, completely ignorant of what needs to be done in this counrty to truly return to the Constitution and a free market/free cvil society that is peaceful and non-intervetionist.They just want power back and a free ride on the tail of the Empire.

  39. c matt says:

    there are millions upon millions of pissed-off Americans who want to get corrupt politicians out of the seats they now hold

    Good luck with that. The problem is only corrupt candidates seem to run, with very few exceptions, and those exceptions have little chance of winning.

  40. ian says:

    very true what a shower of bastards from both parties.

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