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Israel’s alleged spying on the marathon high stakes negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program in Lausanne Switzerland has produced remarkably little reaction in the mainstream media. Israel has denied that it was spying but the White House has revealed that there was “eavesdropping” by Israel and added that the information was shared with members of Congress opposed to any agreement to deliberately undermine the Administration’s efforts. It is being suggested that the Obama Administration accepted that it would be spied upon by Israel but was outraged to learn that the information obtained was being fed back to Congress.

The United States reportedly learned about the Israeli spying through its own “eavesdropping” on Israeli government communications. It intercepted messages indicating that Israel had obtained information that it was not privy to in the briefings it had been receiving from Secretary of State John Kerry’s staff. That the White House cited its ability to tap Israeli communications was itself an indication of just how angry President Barack Obama was as it revealed to Tel Aviv that it was vulnerable to National Security Agency intrusion. One can be sure that cryptographers in Israel are now frantically looking for a way to improve their security and if they are successful the U.S. will no longer be able to read their mail, a major loss in a volatile region of the world.

That Israel has had its own successes in tapping into American communications has long been known to security officials, who have been concerned over the large and growing presence of Israeli companies with ties to that country’s government as contractors in U.S. telecommunications systems. The Whitewater investigation revealed that President Bill Clinton warned Monica Lewinsky that their phone-sex conversations might have been recorded by a foreign government. That country was Israel.

So given Israel’s high tech capability and its intense interest in the negotiations with Iran over the latter’s nuclear program, it should not really surprise anyone that its intelligence service, Mossad, would be tasked with finding out what information was not being shared by the White House. Israel has invested a great deal of political capital in confronting Iran and convincing the American public that it poses a genuine threat so it would be inclined to use every weapon in its arsenal to make its case.

But even accepting the predictable Israeli response, the truly intriguing questions relating to the incident that have not been explored are, “how exactly did the Israelis do it and with whom in the U.S. Congress did they share their information?” “How” and “why.” The questions need to be answered if only to prevent further leaks of sensitive information.

The intelligence obtained was described by the White House as being derived from “eavesdropping,” which would suggest some sort of electronic interception. But as the meetings undoubtedly took place in a technically secured room, which means that it was electronically “swept” before, during, and after meetings, the conversations could not be picked up from bugs planted inside which would either be found in advance or detected when they were switched on and began to transmit.

Eliminating a sophisticated “sigint” source suggests that the information might have been obtained from intercepting careless conversations on unsecured phones. Given the damage caused by Victoria Nuland’s use thereof to verbalize her view of Europeans, one should assume that security in that area has been increased dramatically, particularly in this case as it was imperative to maintain confidentiality in the discussions with the Iranians. Kerry himself several times stressed the need for secrecy as the negotiations moved forward and the American team was briefed specifically regarding the threat from Israeli technical intelligence.

Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman, in denying the spying charge, hinted that Israel might have obtained some of the alleged intelligence from “another entity.” But the Wall Street Journal article that broke the story clearly implies that information had been linked to confidential United States delegation briefings and included, for example, the account of a secret meeting between Kerry and his Iranian counterpart in Oman. Which leaves the possibility of a spy within the American negotiating team or back in Washington, someone in the room willing to feed the information to the Israelis. Indeed, several members of the U.S. delegation are on record as being hostile to the Iranians, including chief negotiator Wendy Sherman, who reportedly said that “deception” was in the DNA of the Iranian leadership. It is therefore not inconceivable that the American delegation or its support apparatus was somehow penetrated by the Mossad.

And the other issue is, of course, the question of who in Congress received the stolen information during the regular briefings that Israeli embassy staff, including intelligence officers, gave to legislators on Capitol Hill. It is reported that the Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer and other Embassy officials used the intelligence during their briefings of select Congressmen in January and February in an attempt to heighten concerns over what Kerry and Obama might be doing in secret. This resulted in a flurry of comments from Congressmen warning that a bad deal was in the works coupled with demands for a legislative role in any agreement.

Who were the Congressmen who were briefed by the Israelis? Did they know or suspect that what they were being told was obtained through Israeli espionage? Did it not occur to them that the Israeli narrative on what was taking place differed in detail from what they were hearing through channels from the White House, suggesting that something might be afoot? Deference to Israel is normal for many in Congress, perhaps all too normal, so much so that the GOP is now being described by The New York Times as the party of Israel, but a lack of awareness of the American interests at stake in the game constitutes malfeasance at a much higher level.

Mossad eavesdropping on the Iran talks must surely have produced a detailed counterintelligence review to determine the source of the leak and the ultimate exploitation of the information. As the White House clearly now has the details regarding “how” the Israelis stole the information and “why” in terms of its use with Congress to undermine the talks, it might be suggested that the whole story be revealed to the American public. Just who were the Congressmen and was there anyone on the U.S. negotiating team playing both sides? It would be very interesting to learn the answers to those two questions.

 
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  1. Don Nash says:

    Imperial Senate Leader Mitch ‘itchy’ McConnell and Speaker of the House Johnny Boehner,walking conjoined at the hip down the US Capital steps, could be heard singing “Israel first yes sirree and Israel first brings profits to me!”

  2. On the other hand, fabricated disinformation, always a stock in trade of spycraft, in the absense of actual information, has the advantage of being whatever you want it to be to produce the desired effect. It’s not as if falsehoods sold as truth haven’t proved useful in the past. A reputation for omniscience, real or not, can persuade people who already want to believe what they are being fed.

  3. Seriously doubt there are any surprises here, but it’s worth keeping in mind that all NSA data is shared with Israel in raw form. Which means everything you do online or by phone, including reading this post. Nope, nothing to see here.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

    Yet another debt true patriots owe to Edward Snowden.

  4. Karl says:

    Edward Snowden trafficked in stolen information – ie, he had signed a contract acknowleging that he held information ==in trust== for a party who owned it. Just like bank tellers and the money thta pases through their hands.

    The information Israel passed to CongressPersons wasn’t “stolen”. It was legally retrieved.

    the Americans eavesdropped on us to figure it out and to make it known publicly. Kol HaKvod to the NSA for doing their job.

    Maybe Israeli cryptographers need to be disciplined for this. We’ll handle it.

    Thanks for your concern !

    • Replies: @James
    , @Chris Mallory
    , @David
    , @X
  5. geokat62 says:

    “The information Israel passed to CongressPersons wasn’t “stolen”. It was legally retrieved.”

    Ever hear of the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution? It is the part of the Bill of Rights that prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures and requires any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  6. annamaria says:
    @geokat62

    It is pointless to lecture Israelis on rules, morals, and laws considering that the country is ruled by the likes of Avigdor Lieberman (a rootless racist with the criminal past) and that the US taxpayers are collectively seen by the chosen as a convenient ghost to devour. A blowback against the Israel-firsters and other vicious Zionists is coming. Expect super loud squeals about anti-semitism and victimhood and such. … The US electorate is getting a bitter pill of reality by learning about the high-placed traitors on govt’ payroll.

  7. James says:
    @Karl

    Edward Snowden also took an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution which prevails over an “agreement” and he correctly saw that Constitution was being serially violated. Not least of those reasons was for corrupt American officials to steal information that rightfully belongs to the American people and give it to a foreign entity that frequently works against U.S. interests. So it could be said that Israel was “receiving stolen property,” of which Yehuda assures us that steps will be taken by the Israelis to cover theirs’ and our own corrupt officials tracks in the future.

    • Replies: @Karl
  8. It’s always a quandary for an employee, public or private, who discovers wrongdoing in the workplace that is, as the Prez put it so banally, “beyond my pay grade.” It’s easier to report petty corruption by peers, although if it’s beyond just a single wayward individual, it may have become institutionalized corruption. Then, it’s “our thing” and a code of “Omerta” will prevail. Just ask decorated NYPD officer Frank Serpico, whose unwillingness to participate in and readiness to report police corruption got him assassination attempts, and enmity from the brotherhood to this day.

    Wrongdoing at higher levels is treated as hierarchical privilege; correction is theoretically to come from above in a command chain of accountability. But in the fourth branch of spook government that Snowden came to inhabit, that chain of accountability had long been severed. Accountability was simply a loop of feedback to the same persons making the decisions, only to themselves, not to the rest of American governance. And as that government behind the government, of secret laws, secret decisions and secret actions turned inwards against the American people, it gained ascendancy thereby over the other branches which cannot overule it.

    To which government’s Constitution and law did Snowden pledge allegiance, the one that we elect to be accountable to us, or the throne which has subverted it?

    It is no easy thing for a person who values integrity more than hypocrisy in the service of personal careerism, to act to expose wrongdoing by superiors engaged in webs of deceit, in either the private, public or secret sectors. In the former two, doing the right thing almost always means career death and a slide in the social and economic hierarchy, even when the results are needed reform. In the latter, salutary truth telling in service of public accountability most often brings the individual persecution, arrest and imprisonment, if they do not succeed in gaining exile beyond the reach of the secret power and the government it serves. And as we have seen so far, even the starkest revelations of wrongdoing do not result in needed reform, but naked attempts for even more secret power.

  9. @Karl

    The information that Snowden released belongs to the American people. There was no theft. Letting citizens know what their government doing should never be a crime.

  10. noizpots says:

    Traitors, scalawags and charlatans, the whole caboodle. Anyone positively identified as being involved should either be booted from the U.S. (Israeli) or prosecuted for treason (U.S. citizen). Dual loyalists should be firmly told that while they reside on U.S. soil, the U.S. must be their first allegiance. Otherwise, get the hell out; El Al is ready when you are.

  11. The first thing to learn about espionage is that everybody spies on everybody and then uses the info to advance whatever they think is in their best interest. The Israelis had no particular use for Clinton-Lewinsky secrets, so they keep their laughter to themselves.

    Mr. Giraldi’s article does raise an important question: Why do we have a government in which foreign spies know things about our own government which our elected representatives can’t discover? There is your problem.

  12. David says:
    @Karl

    You can handle it as long as you have a host to feed off of.

    I think it’s funny to think Israel needs to penetrate the US government. Every American Jew is an agent of Israel.

  13. Realist says:

    Now that Iran has reached an agreement with the West. Israel should be made to sign the NPT and publicly admit that it has nukes.

    • Replies: @Orville H. Larson
  14. Karl says:
    @James

    >> Edward Snowden also took an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution

    Actually , he did not.

    he signed a non-disclosure agreement, contractual in nature.

    It is clear that you don’t know the ropes in the spook game.

    Thanks for playing. Now, please yield the floor to another player who is actually familiar with Snowden’s case.

  15. @Karl

    Eliezer is correct. As a contractor he would have signed a non-disclosure. Only staff employees of certain federal agencies and those in the military take an oath to uphold the constitution. But Snowden still would be theoretically protected under whistleblower legislation if he sought to reveal something that he considered to be illegal. His judgment was that he would not be protected, probably correct.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Karl

    The pilpul, it burns!

    Warm up those ovens…

  17. How far we have fallen from a republic with a Constitution as the superseding law of the land, when that staple of commercial corporate legalism, the Non-Disclosure Agreement, de facto trumps the legal instrument of democratic accountability for wrongdoing. Not much more could be indicative of how completely the corporate and governmental have become joined at the hip, literally becoming conspiracies against the people, except perhaps, the upcoming CISA legislation that merges public and private databases under the pretended rubric of national security.

  18. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Karl

    >> Edward Snowden also took an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution

    Actually , he did not.

    he signed a non-disclosure agreement, contractual in nature.

    It is clear that you don’t know the ropes in the spook game.

    Thanks for playing. Now, please yield the floor to another player who is actually familiar with Snowden’s

    Snowden did take an oath to protect and defend the U.S. Constitution when he joined the U.S. Army Reserves. Regarding his Booz Allen position, I’ve never heard anyone making the Snowden issue about some employment-related performance issue or infraction or disciplinary issue. So whatever agreement he had with his contractor is not the issue. We are talking about the legality of his actions in spilling the beans on classified information he worked with. He did have to swear under oath and sign documents while getting his security clearance (TS/SCI), but this would have been in regarding to his truthfulness during the interview and willingness to safeguard national security information. But even in the security clearance process there is a lot of language pretty darn close to taking an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

  19. Art says:

    Face it, 99.99% of everyone with a prominent name in America fears Jewish Zionism.

    They will not risk their name – they will not defend their country’s ideals.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  20. geokat62 says:

    “The Israelis had no particular use for Clinton-Lewinsky secrets, …”

    You’ve got to be kidding! This is the kind of information the they would die for. And I guess the following is mere coincidence:

    Lewinsky claimed to have had sexual encounters with Bill Clinton on nine occasions from November 1995 to March 1997.

    On October 31, 1998 Clinton signed into law H.R. 4655, the Iraq Liberation Act. The new Act appropriated funds for Iraqi opposition groups in the hope of removing Saddam Hussein from power and replacing his regime with a democracy.

    Some critics of the Clinton administration expressed concern over the timing of Operation Desert Fox. The four-day bombing campaign occurred at the same time the U.S. House of Representatives was conducting the impeachment hearing of President Clinton. Clinton was impeached on December 19, 1998, the last day of the bombing campaign. The missile strikes began three days after Clinton was called to testify before a grand jury during the Lewinsky scandal and his subsequent nationally televised address later that evening in which Clinton admitted having an inappropriate relationship.

  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Face it, 99.99% of everyone with a prominent name in America fears Jewish Zionism.

    They will not risk their name – they will not defend their country’s ideals.

    Yeah, think how cushy Giraldi’s life would’ve been had he gone the route of expert at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and a Fox News contributor?! He could be living it up giving well-compensated talks at Temple Beth Whateva in Boca Raton. Heck, he could simply cull the standard lines you hear from Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Cruz, McCain, Graham, et al., and run them through a teleprompter. He could phone it in and still get standing o’s. I’d like to think I’d be above doing this if I were Giraldi, but I know I wouldn’t be

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Art
    , @moi
  22. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, think how cushy Giraldi’s life would’ve been had he gone the route of expert at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and a Fox News contributor?! He could be living it up giving well-compensated talks at Temple Beth Whateva in Boca Raton. Heck, he could simply cull the standard lines you hear from Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, Cruz, McCain, Graham, et al., and run them through a teleprompter. He could phone it in and still get standing o’s. I’d like to think I’d be above doing this if I were Giraldi, but I know I wouldn’t be

    Btw, here’s my talk:

    “I don’t think the Administration understands that Iran. Cannot. Be. Trusted!”

    [applause…standing ovation….]

    “We must defend the only democracy in the Middle East and our greatest ally, Israel.”

    [applause…standing ovation….]

    “John Kerry is worse than Chamberlain. At least Chamberlain didn’t try to make peace with a nuclear-armed Hitler!”

    [applause…standing ovation….]

  23. @geokat62

    geokat62, what does any of this have to do with Israel? Clinton played “wag the dog” on more than one occasion, and none of it had anything to do with an omnipotent cabal of wicked Jews plotting to take over our minds and make us wish only sunbeams and unicorns for Israel and only perpetual scourging for the rest of the world.

  24. geokat62 says:

    “Clinton played “wag the dog” on more than one occasion.. ”

    Agreed, but did he do so while POTUS?

    • Replies: @The Grate Deign
  25. Art says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, think how cushy Giraldi’s life would’ve been had he gone the route of expert at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies and a Fox News contributor?!

    Hear hear – Mr. Giraldi – you are a man with courage – Thank you!

  26. @geokat62

    He did. That was what the bombing the aspirin factory in Sudan was all about. The protracted skirmish in southeastern Europe was also, in my private opinion, a wag-the-dog operation.

    Plus, it provided Hillary with some real combat action as she got out of her jet under heavy sniper fire. ;-D

    • Replies: @geokat62
  27. Israel and its partisans run the entire ‘national-security’ apparatus of the USA. They are the only ones offended that Mr Snowden disclosed some of their endless crimes against the American People, and they are the only reason he had to flee so far and with so much care. And they are the only ones braying for his blood, even now.

    Any American Patriot actually worth the name owes Edward Snowden an incalculable debt.

  28. @Don Nash

    The entirety of this article and the commentaries border on the absurd. Is it not Obama who via NSA spies on everybody…friends\ or foe? As do all of our allies and enemies alike. Just ask Angela Merkel how very much she appreciated Obama’s intrusion into private German affairs! Israel leadership would be derelict in their duties if they did not spy on these negotiations. But, then, Obama, given his “cozy cousin” relationships with the Muslim Brotherhood and his subservient submission to Iran’s Jihadist leadership does not give Israel much reason for confidence that their interests would be protected.

    Interesting isn’t it, the Obama Administration favored response to the LGBT community here in these United States all the while his administration turns its eyes away from Muslim murder of homosexuals, female mutilations, beheadings most notably conducted by the supposedly civil authorities of Iran! Obama hypocrisy at it’s worst!

    • Replies: @Aaron Klein
    , @KA
    , @KA
  29. geokat62 says:
    @The Grate Deign

    Apologies… I mistook ” wag the dog” for “shag the dog”! So my earlier point was that Clinton’s marital indiscretions, apart from the one with Miss Lewinsky, all occurred before he became president – i.e, the previous indiscretions were old dirt while he was Governor, the Lewinsky affair was new dirt while president.

    • Replies: @Ivy
  30. Ivy says:
    @geokat62

    Love the “shag the dog” comment and plan to appropriate that for indiscriminate use!

  31. @Eternal Vigilance

    It is not the job of the US President to protect Israeli interests. It is his job to protect Amerika’s interests. While I am not a big Obama fan I give him a lot of credit for pushing forward with diplomacy and avoiding another war for Israel. We have plenty of treasonous politicians that put Israel first, such as Lynsey Graham, John McCain (Senile Senator Arizona) Ted Cruz (Canada) John Boehner etal. It is long past due that we put lots of distance between Israel and the US. Are interests are not the same and never will be.

  32. @Realist

    ” . . . Israel should be made to sign the NPT and publicly admit that it has nukes.”

    Yeah, and pigs might fly someday, too–but I doubt it!

  33. @geokat62

    When “Blow Job Bill” Clinton was being pleasured by Monica Lewinsky, the boys in Tel Aviv were laughing their asses off–and putting it away for future use.

  34. KA says:
    @Eternal Vigilance

    Then the Americans become or forced to be turned into spies against the America,against the American government ,against the national interests and against theUS military and diplomatic forces . This is the result of the Israeli spying. It happens sometimes at non official,individual level and may be it happens often when other countries spy on America from within . But never at the organization level .
    Germans or Canadians do not turn whole Congress or Pentagon, or Pharmaceutical body or media watchdog. or group of media owners into the agents of German or Canadian government . There is genuine governmental or public outcry if that ever takes place . Heads roll. People are called traitor and removed or ? executed for treason or simply disappeared into prison with enormous fine. Government then set up investigation to remedy the situation. While all these things are happening , Canada Germany lie low and seek forgiveness or offer apology and offer collaboration to find out who breached the protocol ,who breached the trust .
    Germany and Canada don’t tell the same media or the same government organization or the same Hollywood bunch of thugs to mount an assault on the American government and to undercut any effort to reverse the effects of the spying or to challenge the spying or to confront the government with the information pried open from the spying.

    Canadian Harper will not come to Congress and mount a challenge to the Obama government using the Congress and using the insider ( American ) information against Obama to change the course on shipment of tar sand across Montana or Yellowstone or through Mount Rushmore. Israel will . Congress would agree to change the faces on the Mount Rushmore of that helped Israeli gravy train .
    Years ago same thing happened in Hollywood .israel got the nukes .years ago same thing happened in the US manufacturing. Israel stole trade secrets and forced US and Europe open the markets to Israeli products that were manufactured on the basis of those spying of trade and technological secrets. ( Samsung must be wondering why it has today fines for stealing trade secrets and abandon the product )

  35. KA says:
    @Eternal Vigilance

    Yes,it is incomprehensible to some why Obama remains silent to the killings of one ,two,or ten LGBT in Iran without the use of American sword or guillotine or piles of greenback when world gets uncomfortable with the killings of the 500 children by Zionist in Gaza in 2014 with the help of American bullet,tanks,F16 which were bought with the American money which could have been spent in America to bring food to the table of Americans LGBT teens .

    Very problematic! Very difficult!Very morally annoying for Zionist is also the fact that Palestine LGBT community have been found out by the European to be living in constant fear and threat of exposure by the Zionist to the Islamist if the LGBT( Palestininan) failed to spy on the fellow Palestininan. Some of the spying instruments have been bought and paid by American taxpayers.
    Worse is the threat and abuse of the Human Right Watch and Amnesty International and Doctors without Borders by Israel. Now they act as pimps to Israeli propaganda and as an wing of Israeli Middle East thuggery .Like Goldstein was forced to change the lines and kowtow ,these organizations each and every time after one of their more courageous have pointed out the atrocities of Israel,have been forced to reverse the charges and blame Hamas or Syrians or Lebanese .

  36. The agreement with Iran would never have come to this point in process if William Burns were still at State (my opinion.) The Israelis must miss him sorely. If there were to be another Ari Ben-Menache (Israeli intel operative) spilled what is really going on, I’d not be surprised at all if it came out Burns had been ‘retired’ on account of it’d been discovered he was what Robert McFarlane had been; an Israeli asset. McFarlane was allowed to go without the actual facts disclosed (until the Ben-Menache disclosure) because of the immense political damage potential.

    I expect there is a bit much SIGNIT and too little HUMIT in the speculations put forward.

  37. bondo says:

    so many yid traitors and yid pets to choose from.
    hang ’em all.
    as they indiscriminantly bomb, shoot, starve palestinians, the same to them.

  38. “as they indiscriminantly bomb, shoot, starve palestinians, the same to them.”

    Well, that’s an observation, not a proscription, as it is just what continues the cycles of violence and revenge. We need to do everything to stop it, so that the innocent will not have died in vain, and to prevent future victims. Revenge fueled by grief will not bring even one dead person back to life.

    The only practical political antidote to violence is peaceful resistance.

  39. moi says:
    @Anonymous

    Along with Mr. Giraldi, former Treasury assistant secretary Paul Craig Roberts is another who kept is conscience intact and passed on the big bucks.

  40. geokat62 says:

    “The only practical political antidote to violence is peaceful resistance.”

    Prof. Michael Neumann completely demolishes this myth:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/02/08/nonviolence-its-histories-and-myths/

    But non-violence, so often recommended to the Palestinians, has never ‘worked’ in any politically relevant sense of the word, and there is no reason to suppose it ever will. It has never, largely on its own strength, achieved the political objectives of those who employed it.

    … In short, it is a myth that nonviolence brought all the victories it is supposed to have brought. It brought, in fact, none of them.

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  42. KA says:

    “Former Prime Minister Ehud Barak Wednesday urged the United States to present Iranian leaders with a clear choice: abandon your nuclear aspirations “or else.”

    “The Pentagon and the forces of America under the backing and probable directive of the [US] president [could] create an extremely effective means to destroy the Iranian nuclear military program over a fraction of one night,” the former Israeli leader told CNBC.
    JPost

    Barak repeats what Corker ( R) senator has already counseled for in similar language. They don’t evesdrop . They discuss these out in the open.
    During Gaza war ,people learnt that the only purpose of transmitting images of the Plestinian kids dying under Israrli assault was meant to garner propaganda value by using the photogenic faces of the young kids. The readers,listeners,and the viewers learnt it from Krystol expertise ,Krauthhammmer’s TV,appearnace Israeli leaders radio comments,and from the OpEd by some syndicated columnist
    The ideas on which spins are made to turn the American mind like a finger didn’t die with the passing of Sharon. They don’t eavesdrop . They discuss murders and configure ways of doing it out in the open . They don’t give a toss to the secret concerns of America.

  43. X says:
    @Karl

    Notice that the first recourse of the Jewish mind is an appeal to contract law. This speaks to an inability to value more abstract notions of honor or personal and collective responsibility. I would guess that Eliezer, like most of the other members of the Tribe (but not all), suffer from a complex suite of cluster B personality disorders.

    For the more spiritually inclined, this begs the question… which came first: this mentality or their tribal worship of a desert fire demon. Resulting in a “religion” that boils down to following 517+ dictatorial demands, and then, eventually, a talking, burning bush will give them ownership over the world’s domesticated goyim masses.

    But… karma will always punish the deserving. Americans are reaping their righteous reward for destroying the German people at the command of their international bankster overlords, seventy years ago.

    P.S. Fran, I still await your answer to an earlier question… Can you tell us why most American Christians love the Old Testament, but deny the New?
    Have you ever heard a sermon on these verses…
    (Jesus to the Pharisees, spiritual fathers of our modern Talmudics) “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” John 8.44
    and “I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” Revelation 2.9

    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  44. @X

    80%+ of the words attributed to Jesus were put on his lips by early evangelists, on behalf of the cult that became the church at Rome. That said, Jews are no different to anyone, they have their psychopaths like Bibi and really excellent & ethical people, for instance Eyal Weizman, both Israelis.

    All three of the ‘peoples’ tracing their beliefs to Abraham, includes (religious) Muslims, (religious) Jews & (religious) Christians, share a multi-personalities phenomena where in all three you find persons on both sides of nearly every issue; and within the cultures themselves numerous splits .. Wahabi vs Sufi, Orthodox versus Tikkun Olam and Christian Dominion sects versus Quaker or Unitarian, examples given. Within this mix will be many ignorant and bigoted persons, as well, many principled, well informed and ethical personalities.

    The fact the ‘Book of John’ you quote is the single so-called ‘gospel’ where no authentic statement of the historical Jesus can be determined to be present, colors everything you put forward as ultimately uninformed. Not that I expect you’ll appreciate my observations but then it is not only yourself will read this and you may have your rant as the last word if so inclined-

  45. Clyde says:

    I have zero problem with Israelis spying on these bullshit negotiations that exist only to confer a “legacy” on Kerry and Obama. Mr Giraldi likes seeing Jews sweat so has no problem with Iran getting nuked up to the max over the next decade. But the Sunni Saudis do and they will import in some Pakistani nukes to provide a Sunni-Shiite balance of power. I hope the Israelis share this alleged spying with the Saudis and keep them up to speed.
    When all else fails I hope the Izzies fly over Saudi airspace and waste and bury every last Iranian centrifuge. They can refuel over Saudi to make it back home. Should not be too difficult with ground pertaining nuclear weapons which would leave most radioactive debris buried so not harming Iranian populations. Piece of cake for the Jewish brain to perfect. BTW The inventor of the neutron bomb was an American Jew.

    The US claim is that we have destroyed all neutron bombs in our arsenal. Asshole Jimmy Carter did this. Good news is the Izzies have plenty to deploy against regional maniacs such as Giraldi’s turban wearing Iranian gods. These neutron bombs should be used against prime Iranian oil installations then have the Saudi’s take them over and get richer while cutting in “the Jews” for discounted oil for the next 65 years. All Jew hater losers here on Ph Giraldi’s channel can FOAD. Run off and convert to Islam//// Over and out chumps!

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    , @KA
  46. So says:
    @Clyde

    Drink some more from the Dead Sea and Hertzl would come to visit you with Hitler to whisper some soothing words into your ears .

  47. “Can you tell us why most American Christians love the Old Testament, but deny the New?”

    I can only speak for myself, to whom the above does not apply.

    In general, religion, and to paraphrase Dwight Eisenhower, is mostly invoked to excuse what you already wanted to do, and I don’t care which one it is.

  48. KA says:
    @Clyde

    “The biggest problem for the United States is not Iran getting a nuclear weapon and testing it, it’s Iran getting a nuclear weapon and not using it. Because the second that they have one and they don’t do anything bad, all of the naysayers are going to come back and say, “See, we told you Iran is a responsible power. We told you Iran wasn’t getting nuclear weapons in order to use them immediately.” … And they will eventually define Iran with nuclear weapons as not a problem.” D.Pletka at AEI

    MJ Rosenberg on the speech of D. Pletka
    AEI. December 2 , 2011.
    http://politicalcorrection.org/fpmatters/201112020008

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