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There is something unique about how the United States manipulates the “terrorism” label to avoid being accused of carrying out war crimes. When an indigenous militia or an armed insurgency like the Taliban in a country like Iraq or Afghanistan attacks American soldiers subsequent to a U.S. invasion which overthrew the country’s government, it is considered by Washington to be an act of “terrorism.” Terror attacks de facto permit a carte blanche response, allowing virtually anything as retaliation against the parties involved or countries that support them, including the assassination of foreign government officials. But for the attacker, whose perspective is quite different, the incident often could reasonably be described as legitimate resistance to a foreign occupier and much of the world might agree with that assessment.

So, it all comes down to definitions. The United States covers its version of reality through liberal use of the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) which more-or-less gives a blanket approval to attack and kill “terrorists” anywhere at any time. And how does one become a terrorist? By being included on the U.S. government’s heavily politicized annual list of terrorist groups and material supporters of terrorism. That was the argument that was used by the United States when it killed Iranian General Qassem Soleimani in January, that his organization, the Qods Force, was on the “terrorist” lists maintained by State and the Treasury Department and he was therefore held to be guilty of any and all attacks on U.S. military carried out by Qods or by presumed Iranian surrogate militias.

The case made to justify killing Soleimani was considered deeply flawed at the time it took place. Because the United States says something is legal due to a law Congress has passed does not make it so, just as most of the world would consider the U.S. profile killings by drone in Afghanistan and elsewhere, based on nothing more than the assumption that someone on the ground might be a “terrorist,” to be little more than war crimes.

It has recently been revealed that the Trump Administration has issued a so-called “finding” to authorize the CIA to conduct more aggressive cyberattacks against infrastructure and other targets in countries that are considered to be unfriendly. The finding specifically named Iran, North Korea, China and Russia as approved targets and it is of particular interest because it basically left it up to the Agency to decide whom to attack and to what degree. As Washington is not at war with any of the countries named and is essentially seeking to damage their economies directly, the activity undertaken by CIA has constituted acts of war and, by widely accepted legal definition, attacks on countries that are not actually threatening are war crimes.

To counter the negative publicity about Trump Administration actions and to establish a possible casus belli, Washington has been floating numerous stories alleging Iranian, Russian and Chinese “aggression.” The ridiculous story about Russia paying Afghans bounties to kill American soldiers was quickly debunked, so the White House and the captive media are now alleging that Moscow hacker/spies are seeking to steal proprietary information dealing with the development of a coronavirus vaccine. The agitprop coming out of Washington to blame Russia for nearly everything notwithstanding, opinion polls suggest that most of the world considers Washington to be the primary source of global instability, rejecting the assertion by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo that the U.S. is a “force for good.”

So, it is reasonable to suggest that the United States has been guilty of many war crimes in the past twenty years and has only been shielded from the consequences due to its ability to control the message combined with its power in international fora and its unwillingness to cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague.

But the willingness of the international community to look the other way in support of the war crimes double standard appears to be changing. The ICC, which has had its investigators denied entry to the United States, has been investigating Israeli war crimes even as it also looks at developments in Afghanistan and Iraq involving U.S. forces. Trump’s ban on entry by ICC personnel includes their families even if they are American citizens and it also protects Israel in that ICC investigators looking into the possible war crimes committed by Israeli Defense Force (IDF) soldiers and officers as well as the relevant Jewish state’s government officials will also be sanctioned and denied entry into the U.S. In practical terms, the Trump Administration is declaring that IDF and U.S. soldiers will be regarded as one and the same as they relate to dealings with the ICC, a conceit that is little known to the American public.

The Israelis have responded to the threat from the ICC by compiling a secret list of government officials and military officers who might be subject to ICC issued arrest warrants if they travel in Europe for war crimes committed in Lebanon and Syria as well as of crimes against humanity directed against Palestinians. The list reportedly includes between 200 and 300 names.

That Israel is making a list of people who might be vulnerable to accusations of having possibly committed war crimes is a de facto admission by the government that such crimes were in fact committed. The ICC will soon decide whether to move on the December request by ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda to investigate both Israel and Hamas over suspicions of war crimes in Gaza and Jerusalem as well as on the occupied West Bank beginning in 2014. The investigation would include “crimes allegedly committed in relation to the use by members of the IDF of non-lethal and lethal means against persons participating in demonstrations beginning in March 2018 near the border fence between the Gaza Strip and Israel, which reportedly resulted in the killing of over 200 individuals, including over 40 children, and the wounding of thousands of others.”

Given the time frame, Israeli government officials and military officers would likely be the first to face scrutiny by investigators. According to Haaretz, the list would almost certainly include “Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu; former defense ministers Moshe Ya’alon, Avigdor Lieberman and Naftali Bennett; former Israel Defense Forces chiefs of staff Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot, and current Chief of Staff Aviv Kochavi; and the former and current heads of the Shin Bet security service, Yoram Cohen and Nadav Argaman, respectively.”

One wonders who would be included on a comparable list for the United States. There are a lot of lying politicians and sly generals to choose from. As both Israel and the United States do not recognize the authority of the ICC and will almost certainly refuse to participate in any fashion if the charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity ever actually make it to the court, any discussion of lists are at this point merely travel advisories for war criminals. The United States will push back and will inter alia certainly attempt to discredit the court using whatever weapons are available, to include sanctions against the nations that support any investigation and trial.

One nevertheless has to hope that the court will persevere in its effort to expose the crimes that continue to be committed by the U.S. and Israel in both Palestine and Afghanistan. Embarrassing Washington and Jerusalem in a very visible and highly respected international forum might be the only way to change the direction of the two nations that more than any other insist that “might makes right.”

Philip Giraldi, Ph.D. is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest.

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  1. Realist says:

    War Crimes and War Criminals: Who Will be Held Accountable?

    Most likely…no one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Reality Check
  2. Realist says:

    It has recently been revealed that the Trump Administration has issued a so-called “finding” to authorize the CIA to conduct more aggressive cyberattacks against infrastructure and other targets in countries that are considered to be unfriendly.

    This is just one of many reasons to not support Trump. He is a phony…he is part of the Deep State…it should be obvious to everyone. His actions have been detestable. Voting is not the answer.

    • Agree: Moi
    • Replies: @Half Back
    , @omegabooks
    , @Derer
  3. It seems that there are some people thinking seriously about such questions:

    No ‘wars of choice’: Joaquin Castro eyes top foreign policy role in US House
    In bid to become chair of House Foreign Affairs Committee, Democratic congressman lays out principles for US diplomacy

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/joaquin-castro-house-foreign-affairs-committee-eliot-engel

    From the article:

    “Wars of choice have diminished our moral standing, destabilized entire regions – as the Iraq War did to the Middle East – burdened our troops and their families, wasted limited resources, and killed innocent lives,” Castro wrote in a blog post published on Tuesday.

  4. Chris Moore says: • Website

    The WASP leaders made a huge mistake when they got so deeply into bed with the Jewish leaders, because the Jews are such fanatics, “You give them an inch, they’ll take a mile,” as the saying goes. But it was probably inevitable that the two would conjoin in what can now be fairly accurately labelled “international Zionism,” once the Jews bedded the WASP elites, and vice-versa.

    And the “international” in international Zionism makes them international war criminals, as Giraldi makes clear.

    • Agree: Moi
  5. If there was any real justice in the world, all US military individuals from Vietnam onward would be up before a war crimes tribunal and eventually hung. That veterans are praised and given special treatment is a sign of a country that has lost its moral compass.

  6. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    all US military individuals from Vietnam onward would be up before a war crimes tribunal

    No, some were drafted and forced into it by the Jew-corrupted state, others were coerced into it by the Zionist-Neocon inside job and Iraq war lies. Most veterans are victims of the sick, warped and murderous Zionist “elites,” along with average citizens. By blaming/scapegoating the soldiers, you’re aiding and abetting the guilty, which enables them to get away with it again and again.

    We need to bring the crony state profiteers, infiltrators and corrupters to justice once and for all by placing the blame where it belongs and delivering the appropriate penalty.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  7. @Chris Moore

    I was drafted during Vietnam, but I refused induction. I never went to Nam and never served any other alternative ‘service’ because I know what slavery is in our out of the military. I had friends that went and died there because they didn’t have the moral compass to say no.

    The soldiers that went, regardless of how they got there are guilty of murdering innocent Vietnamese that never were a threat to the USA or any of its population. Those that went emboldened their superiors to start new wars in the Middle East and elsewhere.

    Sorry, but your argument is specious. That the ‘leaders’ are scumbags is a given, but the average citizen should know right from wrong. The pampered and perfumed princes in the political class have no power but what is provided by the scum that serves them.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Moi
  8. Chris Moore says: • Website

    I never went to Nam and never served any other alternative ‘service’ because I know what slavery is in our out of the military.

    You say that the government has enslaved the individual but then rip the individual for lacking “moral compass.” Which is it?

    That the ‘leaders’ are scumbags is a given, but the average citizen should know right from wrong.

    They do, but have been systematically enslaved, misled, propagandized, and false flagged by the Zionist elites and their mass media stooges.

    Your contempt for democracy and the people has the odor of Jewish contempt for the goyim, based on egoistic, grandiose and self-righteous pretenses of “choseness.”

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  9. anon[405] • Disclaimer says:

    This is a red-letter day. Philip Giraldi has formally quit the CIA. He’s on our side now, with the humans and against impunity and arbitrary state repression.

    We can all get with him. There’s no reason your state can’t write the Rome Statute preamble and Sections 2, Articles 5-10, and 3 into law. It’s state common law as it is.

    https://www.icc-cpi.int/resourcelibrary/official-journal/rome-statute.aspx

    That has the salutary effect of making your state a no-go zone for US state criminals like Gina and Pompeo. It establishes command responsibility. It keeps your national guard and your kids out of wars unless the UNSC permits – Why let them get their legs or nuts blown off just so Miss Lindsay can get free rough trade? It negates the superior orders defense, giving you the authority to resist and denounce grave US crimes as Manning and Kiriakou did.

    If the beltway gives you shit about it, then just write the rest of the Statute, the UN Charter, and the International Bill of Human Rights into law and Presto! You’re an independent sovereign country. Gina can go suck a dick. Invite Russia to emplace a few batteries of Zircons and S-400s. Join the Belt and Road Initiative and the SCO. Join UNESCO! That’ll teach em to make fun of us flyover states!

  10. Anon[129] • Disclaimer says:

    “So, it is reasonable to suggest that the United States has been guilty of many war crimes in the past twenty years and has only been shielded from the consequences due to its ability to control the message combined with its power in international fora and its unwillingness to cooperate with the International Criminal Court (ICC) in the Hague.”

    This. I would love to see the US, Israel and some European countries like France and UK be subjected to the same process that whites, especially former policemen and gov. employees, in South Africa had to go through. How about a real Truth and Reconciliation Commission, not that sham one in South Africa, which was set up to sanatise the ANC in order to prep it for taking over the country, since basically it was/is a terrorist organisation and crime syndicate.
    Let all the crimes which were committed by ALL parties come on the table, including what really went down in WWII.

    • Replies: @dimples
    , @sally
  11. anarchyst says:
    @RoatanBill

    I’ll bet that you are a jew. Jews have always loathed the American military and revere the IDF. I’ll bet that you would have joined the IDF if qualified.
    Your jewish communist roots are showing…

  12. onebornfree says: • Website

    “One nevertheless has to hope that the court will persevere in its effort to expose the crimes that continue to be committed by the U.S. and Israel in both Palestine and Afghanistan. Embarrassing Washington and Jerusalem in a very visible and highly respected international forum might be the only way to change the direction of the two nations that more than any other insist that “might makes right.” ”

    Dream on! Fantasizing that government -run/controlled courts will reach decisions exposing more than [maybe] the very lowest level of their own criminality is a mugs game- Kabuki theater, nothing more.

    This “just” in [again] : “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”onebornfree .

    The courts run by the criminals themselves will therefor be suitably “influenced” to reach the “right” decision, just as sure as night follows day.

    Regards, onebornfree

  13. @anarchyst

    You lost your bet.

    I was born into the catholic church. I went to a private catholic grammar school and before I entered high school I knew that the catholic religion was bunkum. I didn’t have the worldly experience to say I was an atheist at that young age, but atheism was eventually where I ended up.

    All religion is bullshit. There is no god. The two worst inventions the human race has created are the fiction of god and government. I including the religions of nationalism, patriotism and in general state worship as undiagnosed mental disorders. In particular, the military deserves special consideration since they are the murderers that are never punished by their side.

    Now here’s my bet. I’d bet you’re ex military, vote, and think you’re doing the world a favor by keeping a completely fraudulent system going. Besides being an atheist, I’m also an anarchist. Further, I’d bet you have no idea what anarchism actually entails. You probably think anarchism is Boris Betanov hurling a round bomb with a lit fuse as the TV indoctrination portrayed in decades past.

    You’re like the hundreds of millions that have been thoroughly propagandized and love every minute of it.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  14. @Chris Moore

    Slavery is working for someone else under threat of force when you’d rather not. I avoided the military and avoided alternative service because I said – No. The system really doesn’t know how to deal with – No. It usually only gets submission.

    I was in the same system with everyone else. I had no quarrel with the Vietnamese people and saw no way I was going there to hurt any of them. In hind sight, I suspect most thinking moral people know I made the right decision and the thousands of morally compromised individuals that did go made the wrong decision. The suicides by ex soldiers is their conscience hounding them.

    My contempt is with the entire unnecessary concept of government.

    “Anarchists did not try to carry out genocide against the Armenians in Turkey; they did not deliberately starve millions of Ukrainians; they did not create a system of death camps to kill Jews, gypsies, and Slavs in Europe; they did not fire-bomb scores of large German and Japanese cities and drop nuclear bombs on two of them; they did not carry out a ‘Great Leap Forward’ that killed scores of millions of Chinese; they did not attempt to kill everybody with any appreciable education in Cambodia; they did not launch one aggressive war after another; they did not implement trade sanctions that killed perhaps 500,000 Iraqi children.
    In debates between anarchists and statists, the burden of proof clearly should rest on those who place their trust in the state. Anarchy’s mayhem is wholly conjectural; the state’s mayhem is undeniably, factually horrendous.” – Robert Higgs

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  15. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    And while we’re at it, let’s also look at the CIA money-laundering that funds coercive interference in breach of A/RES/36/103, sanctified absolute rule of law with all the weight that law could ever command.

    Get Pepe back here to show how CIA knocked over democracy in Brazil:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/07/23/brazil-exclusive-the-money-laundering-scandal-from-hell-no-one-wants-to-talk-about/

    That’s how you’ll learn how CIA knocked over democracy in America. Because it’s not just the CIA torture cowards and drone murderers and sneak-attack saboteurs and germ-warfare mad scientists. It’s the CIA ratfuckers that interfere in everybody’s lives, including here in the US. The problem is the criminal enterprise that runs this country, CIA.

    You’ve got to do what JFK wanted to do, till CIA killed him: 1000 pieces, four winds.

  16. @RoatanBill

    If there was any real justice in the world, all US military individuals from Vietnam onward would be up before a war crimes tribunal and eventually hung. That veterans are praised and given special treatment is a sign of a country that has lost its moral compass.

    I don’t think there’s been a greater singular war crime than the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman and many of the participants in the action (e.g., pilots Tibbetts and Sweeney) knew full well what they were doing yet chose to incinerate countless civilians.

    While proponents of the action make the claim that Japan was not about to surrender on U.S. terms, and thus up to a million American lives could have been lost in the invasion and war on the mainland, Generals MacArthur, Eisenhower, Bradley, et al., did not want to use the atom bomb and believed Japan was ready to surrender.

    Truman, Tibbetts, Sweeney, et al., went to their graves having no qualms about their decisions/actions.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  17. @RoatanBill

    It’s one of the great problems of the human condition that people, aggressive young males in particular, instinctively follow the orders of Alpha males. Without men (and now, god help us, women) to do the killing and the dying, the Bushs and LBJs and FDRs of our world would be harmless personages, ranting lunatics driven mad by their addiction to power. There was a song ages ago, much denounced at the time, called “The Universal Soldier”, and this line from it is the unspeakable truth, “he really is to blame,” for all war. There was another song, called “I Ain’t Marchin’ Any More,” which was also passionately condemned by good, patriotic Americans. Or mindless sheep, take your pick of metaphors.

    One winter’s day a few years ago I happened to be in a local park and much to my surprise saw a nearby university’s ROTC squad out on maneuvers. It really struck me how profoundly evil it is that cynical old men give foolish children murderous toys to play with – so they can grab stuff that other people own on the other side of the planet, and call it defending freedom.
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    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  18. @Alex Portnoy

    You are, of course, correct.

    WW-II was before my time. War became something of interest to me when I was drafted for Vietnam. I refused induction and alternative ‘service’ because both are slavery.

    What people fail to realize is that if we all just say NO, there isn’t a damned thing they can do to all of us. Saying NO might just start a trend.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @NobodyKnowsImADog
  19. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    might be the only way to change the direction

    Not very optimistic about that. Might makes right and who has the power will do as it wants. The US has a long and sorry history of war criminality from attacking civilian populations from the air and burning hundreds of thousands of them to death to dumping toxic substances on a massive scale such as Agent Orange and depleted uranium. This is just a fraction of a list that would go on and on. Right now we have this control of language where anyone resisting us is declared a terrorist bandit. People who read websites like this are probably aware of all this but it represents just a fraction of the US population.Trying to target countries with substantial capabilities such as China and Russia is asking for trouble. One very troubling trend is the increasingly bold and warlike trajectory of US policy transcending the past few administrations. The US has been getting more aggressive even as it seems to be bleeding internally, a very bad formula.

  20. anarchyst says:
    @RoatanBill

    You are full of sh!t. I am much more perceptive than most, not afraid of the TRUTH.
    I suspect that you are a jewish hasbara who cannot face the truth about your own corrupt jewish belief system.
    I havent watched talmudvisin in generations, never have never will.
    Crawl back in to your IDF unit 8200 sh!thole and let the adults in the room have intelligent discourse.
    Shalom

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  21. @Observator

    I think you omitted some key adjectives for your aggressive young males. I would add stupid and amoral.

    Why anyone would voluntarily sign up to blindly take orders from someone else is beyond my powers of comprehension.

    “My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military.” – General Smedley Butler (Usmc, Ret.)

    Any decent human being should view the unwarranted injury to another as a profound wrong. As far as I’m concerned, anyone, regardless of the costume being worn, that initiates violence against another needs to be killed themselves. These are the predators in the society that join the military and when they get out become police thugs.

    The population should realize that those voluntarily joining to become the muscle for gov’t are in most instances the dregs of the society. I doubt that there are many engineers, physicists and the better educated that decide their real calling in life is busting heads or murdering under a gov’t contract.

    The folks in the US military and the US police forces are people with no salable skills in the private sector because they wasted their schooling years goofing off and emerged into a world that offered them few job opportunities. Gov’t employment was their only choice. Allowing students to coast through school is a gov’t strategy to make sure they have enough low intelligence individuals to harass the productive population.

  22. @anarchyst

    Delusional as well, I see. Making things up in your mind and insisting they are real has a clinical name.

    “When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.” – Socrates

    Keep ranting and making accusations with no possibility of proof. That’s a sure way of having people agree with your fantasies.

  23. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    Only the losing side gets the short end of that stick.

    • Agree: Realist
  24. @RoatanBill

    The soldiers that went, regardless of how they got there are guilty of murdering innocent Vietnamese

    Are you including the people in the Medical Corps with that indictment? If so, I find that ironic. I knew people who went as Medics. They didn’t want to be there any more than you did.
    It’s all very well and good to have refused and congratulate you on your stance, but I find it odd that it seems you were not prosecuted as Mohamed Ali was.

  25. @Curmudgeon

    I include everyone wearing a US military uniform and any other US persons In Vietnam in support of the war effort. If there weren’t any medics, the grunt might just object to being slaughtered and the war would have been over in a hurry or may never have been started.

    The medics provided assistance to the murderers and therefore should be viewed as accessories just as much as the cook and those involved in logistics. The fact that they didn’t pull the trigger is immaterial.

    The only reason this insane system can do its dirty business is because the average guy goes along with it. Some hangings might send a message that it’s not OK to murder people just because you’re wearing some costume.

    There hasn’t been a single military adventure starting with Vietnam that was a legitimate response in a defensive manner. All US operations for decades have been initiated as offensive encounters and always against relatively weak or poor countries that can’t adequately defend themselves against US power.

    As Smedley Butler put it, war is a racket. These wars are so that defense contractors and their associates can get rich while bleeding the country with debt that will never be paid off. The fact that US grunts are killed is of absolutely no importance to the US regime and the foreigners murdered aren’t even a fleeting though.

    At present, China is being conditioned to be the new bad guy for a war. The pretext can be anything the regime makes up. Should hostilities start, China is no push over and Russia certainly won’t stand by because they know damned well they’d be next. That war will be the end of the US empire at a minimum and all made possible by the fools that have volunteered to act as cannon fodder and provide the evil bastards in the political class the means to threaten the world.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @GMC
    , @Curmudgeon
  26. @anarchyst

    Jews have always loathed the American military

    I thought it was the American military that fights their wars for them. So why would the Jews loathe them? Maybe for being so stupid and gullible to fight wars for them. Shouldn’t non-Jew Americans loathe them too? For fighting for Israel. What RB wrote about not having any quarrel with the Viets makes sense and I don’t see that any American had a quarrel with them. So his position to refuse, and to condemn those who didn’t, seems right to me.

    Anyway, what’s the difference between the IDF and the US military? Other than that the IDF takes on the Palestinians while the US takes on the other Arabs.

  27. anarchyst says:
    @RoatanBill

    You statement: There hasn’t been a single military adventure starting with Vietnam that was a legitimate response in a defensive manner. is incorrect.
    BOTH WW1 and WW2 were wars of aggression against Germany that did not need to take place. Those wars were done at the command of the jewish-run banksters. Germany was a threat, especially in WW2 when it nationalized the banks and assigned
    value to labor-something that is against the bankster mantra even today.
    The USA had no business getting involved in European wars.

    • Agree: Just another serf
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  28. Thank you Mr Giraldi for being fearless as always. May God protect you.

    • Troll: Sya Beerens
  29. anarchyst says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Rotan Bill is a chicken-livered draft-dodger in the same light as rocker Ted Nugent. Ted refused to go because he said that “Vietnam was not his war”. He then urinated and defecated on himself and didn’t wash for a month. When reporting for induction, they sent him home.Rotan Bill’s guilt on running away is showing.

  30. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    You seem to live in a fantasy world where everyone is born into high IQ, happy, healthy, productive and stable families, free of privation, and if they sign up for the military or the government, it’s because of some character flaw or pathology. That’s not the real world, and never has been. In the real world, people who are psychopaths (for example, Jews who have been systematically brainwashed, molested, and propagandized into joining the Zionists/Jewish fifth columns) organize into gangs, and wage wars against the civilized for purposes of ego, profit, and continuity of their way of life.

    What are you personally doing to fight these psychopath gangs, besides self-righteously holding forth on the Internet about how smart and refined you personally are, and how others are just worthless rabble and thugs?

    Will you, for example, state for the record that Zionists are nation-wrecking, organized criminals and psychopaths and should be eliminated from history, say, by non-violent methods?

    Are you willing to join that collectivist ideal, or are you too sovereign and refined even for that? Are you willing to carry your own weight, or like the Zionists, are you a parasite posing as too delicate, entitled and priestly to get your hands “dirty” by sticking up for law, order, and civilization (which, of course, is a grand pose designed to perpetuate their (your?) own parasitic, uncivilized, money-grubbing rackets)?

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  31. @Chris Moore

    There is right and there is wrong. Parenting provides the child with a set of moral values that are then further influenced by the prevailing culture. Intellect allows the individual to navigate through the morass of issues to define their own world view. I have mine.

    My upbringing told me that murder is wrong. YMMV. Killing, on the other hand, can be justified if it’s an act of self protection against some predator.

    Those that waste their school years and exit the system as dumb as a stump are candidates for the military and policing. The intelligent in the society typically avoid those positions presumably because they don’t want to be in a situation to arbitrarily hurt others. It takes a sick mind to want to become a murderer / highwayman for gov’t, again, in my opinion.

    The dolts in the military and police are to be looked upon as cultural failures, in my opinion. They want to use force and fraud, both not moral, to earn a living. To me that’s disgusting.

    Because of people like you, I decided 16 years ago to leave the US. There’s no hope for the US, in my opinion as the rot is too deep. I’m waiting for the next installment of more US tyranny and more acquiescence by the 99 IQ population at large.

    Several years ago I didn’t know there was a difference between Zionism and Judaism. As a former catholic turned atheist I didn’t want to get involved with the idiocy surrounding religion but I stumbled across an article where very religious Jews were against the state of Israel for religious / Zionist reasons. I had to follow that up and started an email conversation with the head of the organization that was protesting Zionism on New York’s streets. Because I grew up in New York, I was familiar with the Jews that always wore black clothing, large hats and hair curls. I worked with some of them for a while at a major NY corporation.

    Long story short, Zionism has little to do with Judaism as a religion. Zionism is a political ideology and a detestable one at that. For the record, I believe the entire political class world wide needs to be eliminated because they are the chief source of tension everywhere. Israel in particular has no right to exist because they live on stolen land handed to them by the Brits who had no right to give what wasn’t theirs. I suggest London to be the transplant destination for all of non Palestinian Israel.

    As far as the Jews in the US go, yes they control too much and that’s because of their cliquish nature. I think it far past time for them to be excluded from all financial posts, the NY diamond market that they control and that the media domination by just a handful of corporations headed up by Jews should be broken up. The Jews in power are cunning and don’t much care about who they step on as long as it’s not another Jew. We, the non Jews, should get them out of the positions of power they’ve had for decades. The US legal system will never allow that because it’s owned by the moneyed interests and a large chunk of that population is Zionist / Jewish. Catch-22. Pissing into the wind is a fools errand.

    As far as joining some collectivist group, no thank you. I’m an atheist, anarchist and misanthrope for a reason. I live as far away from crowds as possible. I don’t have any fantasies about what the future holds, especially in the US.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @Wizard of Oz
  32. In world politics, it’s a ‘crime’ only if you got no power. Jews got the power, so whatever they do is kosher. They are ‘made men’, above the law.

    There is no neutral justice system in the world. There are only power blocs that decide what is ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. Power = Justice. Even in the US, notice how so many crimes are prosecuted for political reasons. Antifa is usually off the hook, while the book is thrown at Proud Boys.

    And as most people side with political camps than with individual issues, they don’t care if crimes are committed AS LONG AS their guy does it.
    For Democrats, American Neo-Imperialism was a problem under Bush II but not under Obama and Hillary. For Republicans, Forever Wars were a problem under Obama but okay under Trump. They ever cheered his murder of Soleimani.

    True justice would mean people calling foul on something regardless of which side does it. So, if Dems commit crimes, even Dems should condemn it. If Repubs commit crimes, even Repubs should condemn it. But most people have the viewpoint of “It’s okay if our guy does, it’s wrong ONLY WHEN other guy does it.”

    For this reason, half the population will reliably support or tolerate crimes. If Demmies are doing the crime, demmy masses will support or ignore it. If Repubbies are doing the crime, repubby masses will support or ignore it. As such, most crimes go unpunished with so much institutional and sufficient mass backing of at least 50%.

    And on some issues, the support will be almost universal from both demmies and repubbies because both sets of politicians are totally craven and servile before Jewish Power. Clinton, Bush II, Obama, or Trump, they were all for ‘muh Israel’. Since the leaders of both camps support the crimes against Palestinians, most libbies and connies just go along because their main loyalty is not to impartial justice but to ‘my camp’. Such partisanship isn’t exactly tribalism but more like campism.

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
  33. Jews maintain their supremacism by BIG stick and BIG carrots.

    1. If you go against Jews, you will be totally crushed and destroyed.

    2. But if you cuck to Jews like Paul Ryan and Lindsey Graham, you shall be rewarded most handsomely.

    The choice is between starvation and feast, and most white elites go for the grand buffet.

    If the choice were between little stick and BIG carrots, more whites will be less fearful and defy Jews. Or if the choice were between BIG stick and little carrots, more whites might choose not to cuck because the reward isn’t worth it.

    But when it’s heaven if you cuck but hell if you don’t, most white elites go for ‘heaven’.

    Jews got a big mace and lots of money.

  34. @PG

    What the US is doing is very much what the Nazis did in the territories they occupied during WWII, labelling resistance fighters as “bandits” and “terrorists”. Although Bush Jr. did call them “enemy combatants”. Pretty funny that. That some hillbillies half way around the world with AK47s should be the enemies of America. What are they trying to do? Invade the US and overthrow American democracy? If it weren’t so tragic it would be hilarious. And some people take this narrative seriously. Giving up their job on Wall Street to go murder villagers in Afghanistan so they don’t have to fight them on the streets of New York. What a farce!

  35. @Curmudgeon

    Those American civilian truck drivers in Iraq murdered loads of children running over them while on their stints working as civilian contractors. They were actually instructed to do so because should they stop for some child in the middle of the road … ambush. But they needed the money so they went.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  36. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    The Jews in power are cunning and don’t much care about who they step on as long as it’s not another Jew.

    So you’re willing to make what most Jews and Zionists would categorize as an “anti-Semitic” statement, and what the Jewish-corrupted US government would declare an anti-Semitic statement. That it’s true doesn’t matter.

    Congratulations, you’re engaged in collective “anti-Semitism,” whether you claim to be an individual sovereign or not. You’re guilty of a thought crime, according to our Zionist overlords.

    You and people like you better get off the coward’s fence and engage in the war of good vs evil, because you’re now a marked man whether you want to be or not.

    That is how the real world works, and you live in it. Your narcissistic, masturbatory fantasy world is nothing but an illusion.

    You, just like so many of the people you have such contempt for, have eaten up the fantasy that you can put your head in the sand. You can’t, and deep down you know it, or you never would have publicly uttered an “anti-Semitic” statement.

    Maybe when a critical mass is willing to publicly utter similarly “anti-Semitic” statements, your fantasy world can become reality. Until then, the primordial Serpent rules over you and yours with its fangs bared.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Moi
  37. @Chris Moore

    I don’t care what people call me as I just look at the source and discard the epithet. If I made an antisemitic remark, I really don’t care. I speak my mind. I don’t particularly care who it offends.

    I’ve often wondered what individual unique words describes a remark unflattering towards catholics, budhists, atheists, hindus, etc. I don’t know of any. The jews have created a word for themselves whose equal doesn’t exist for any other category of ridiculous religion or even atheism.

    I’m not a joiner. I prefer my own thoughts to the noise of some group led by someone with shit for brains, much like Trump. I’m not engaged in collectivist anything. If my views just happen to coincide with some rabble, that’s pure accident and not noteworthy.

    Here, in my illusion, there are no riots; really – there are none. There are no white morons burning down businesses or toppling statues for their black ‘brothers’. Here, I read the world news and watch the US descend into the inevitable, which is why I left a long time ago.

    Keep voting! The system needs your compliance. Definitely vote for Trump since during his administration, Hillary is in jail, Guantanamo is closed, US troops are only on US soil and 90% have been fired, Assange is the head of all the US intelligence (sic) agencies, the bankers that caused the 2008-9 meltdown are all in jail, the Federal Reserve is shut down and has been replace by a gold and silver backed currency, etc, etc, etc.

    Go MAGA!

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
  38. @Chris Moore

    Wormy And Swiney Pompeo and his ilk you call WASPs?

    • Replies: @The Real World
  39. theMann says:

    Here is a question:

    The international criminal court 0f 2002 listed an update collection of what constitute war crimes:

    Number two – torture or inhumane treatment.
    Number three- Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property
    Number six – unlawful deportation, confinement, or transfer. (Especially confinement.)

    Do any of you see where I am going with this?

    Yes, that is right, the lockdowns. The forced confinements, denial of routine medical care, psychological torture of isolation, destruction of small businesses, ritual humiliation and dehumanization of forced mask usage, all on a massive scale. Looks to me that just about 43 State governors are guilty of several massive and ongoing War Crimes.

    In fact, there is no doubt about it.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  40. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    I’m not engaged in collectivist anything. If my views just happen to coincide with some rabble, that’s pure accident and not noteworthy.

    To quote the Jewish monster Trotsky, “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.”

    And the world war that the Zionists are planning is most definitely interested in you, wherever it is you are hiding.

    Oh, but you’re too refined to lift a collectivist finger against them. So they will come to you, on their terms.

    And Jesus Christ himself learned that their terms are bloody.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  41. @Realist

    Just an FYI: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu on Monday thanked US President Donald Trump for designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guards a terrorist organization, claiming the dramatic move to further isolate Tehran came at his request…

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-says-trump-designated-iran-guards-a-terror-group-at-his-request/

  42. The American government, clearly distinct from the American people, have bombed unimaginable numbers of civilians at least starting in World War II.

    We all know who controls the Frankenstein monster. It will continue.

    • Replies: @Realist
  43. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I think he is referring to eras long past; a century ago, at minimum.

    There was plenty of inter-marriage in the UK (and other parts of Europe) in centuries prior. Generally the Jew had the money and the goy had titles/access, etc.

    They’ve been in bed together for a long time at the elite level. (Btw, I never hear anyone use the word WASP anymore in regular life).

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  44. Must we really go over all of this again? I mean, really?

    Interviewer: “If the Nuremberg principles were applied every post-World War II president would be indictable.” [emphasis mine]

    Were any of them?

    There’s your answer!!!

    Noam Chomsky – The Crimes of U.S. Presidents (11:34) https://youtu.be/5BXtgq0Nhsc

  45. Whitewolf says:
    @Chris Moore

    The WASP leaders prostituted themselves for Jewish money and lost their power as a result.

  46. GMC says:
    @RoatanBill

    I went back to the Mekong Delta last year, where I was in an Engineer Batt. – 1st time in 49 yrs. You are dead wrong about calling everyone a murder who went to Nam. Many of us built roads, bridges, worked in batch plants, drove dump trucks and was part of Vietnamization. Teaching the civilians to use those trucks and plants to work on their own roads etc. We got shot at – mortared, shelled and sniped – all the time – and yes we returned fire towards those trying to kill us. Many Nam vets got home and united to protest the War. You just said No – We went and found out the real story – which taught us a whole lot about life. I rather doubt that you got away with just saying NO – You probably just ran away, because I had a fake draft card and the FBI threw me in the slammer. A drunkin story etc. The fact was, that I was already in the Army and I used the fake card – to drink in a bar. PS the Vietnamese last year, never once tried to make me feel like a war criminal – but you seem to be .

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    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  47. Half Back says:
    @Realist

    Also Russian use and launch Full nuclear arsenal will occur if a cyber attack effects the nuclear forces of Russia. So again, it is iron clad procedure to launch Nuclear Weapons in the event of a cyber attack on the nuclear weapons systems. What a way to go out despot America. Someone over their should look up Russian use and fire obligations that rest upon the Russian President Putin!

  48. FB says: • Website

    Very Good article by Mr Giraldi…

    Just a couple of days ago American fighter planes buzzed an Iranian passenger jet flying over Syria…the flight crew of the Airbus A310 widebody jet had to make quite violent maneuvers to avert the US F15s [flying illegally in Syrian airspace]…and a number of passengers were injured and taken to hospital in Beirut where the plane landed…[click on twitter link below to see cabin video of the horrifying experience]…

    Tehran says AMERICAN, not Israeli fighter jets endangered passengers of Iranian airliner over Syria

    Trump has totally folded on his core foreign policy platform of getting the US out of foreign adventures started by his predecessors…in fact he has raised the bar on US terrorism like this latest incident…

    What need is there to back this clown in his quest for a second term…?

    Absolutely none…even the Democrats were more circumscribed than what Trump has shown, especially with that Soleimani assassination…

    And who pays the price for this…?

    Why it’s the disposable little people in uniform…who signed up because the armed forces really is a good deal and a good way of life, but instead they get sacrificed like lambs by some raging mad Imperator…like the over 100 service people severely concussed by that Iranian missile retaliation in January…

    Many of those folks will probably never be in a proper state of health again…and Trump just keeps pushing the envelope farther and farther…at some point more sacrificial lambs will be hit even harder, as Iran will for sure keep retaliating harder and harder…

    I say get rid of this spineless clown…a total waste of time he has turned out to be…

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  49. Moi says:
    @RoatanBill

    Americans have a unique (Exceptional?) privilege–never having to say sorry no matter what their crimes.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  50. Moi says:
    @Chris Moore

    The “anti-Semitic” teflon shield is well past its use date.

    • Replies: @Christophe GJ
  51. Here’s the flaw in Girardi’s argument. He points out that the US is guilty of war crimes which it has committed for no justifiable reason. No country in the rest of the world so far as I know is in a state of declared war with the US. So the US lashing out at this or that perceived enemy is demonstrably committing war crimes. I couldn’t agree more that the foreign “policy” of the Bush, Obama and Trump years is unjustifiable and is best explained as a way to subsidize the war industry and to perpetuate the US military archipelego of facilities all over the world that were established post WW II.

    On the other hand, Israel is in state of declared (Iran, Hizbollah, jihadists in general) and undeclared (Arab opinion in general) war with a real existential enemy: the Islamic world consisting of Arab countries, Iran, and Turkey. That war is based on the irradicable ideological religious enmity of Islam against the existence of a political entity in their part of the world which does not follow the Islamic religion. Worse that they would be jews. It has often been pointed out that the Zionists chose the wrongest possible part of the world to establish a colony. However that is a done deed. More than 6 million jews live in Israel and are thriving despite the patent fact that they are in an ungoing strife with Islam irredentism. For a country at war, nothing done in aid of its preservation may be considered a war crime. Legally that is termed raison d’état. So Girardi’s denounciation is wrong from the git-go.

    I may be wrong but it is likely the case that Girardi is biased against Israeli jews, maybe jews in general. Concerning that psychological affliction I recommend Sartre’s analysis of the anti-semite in the first part of his Réflections sur la question juive which has been translated into English.

  52. Might makes right is the oldest motto in the world … how else the 1% would rule the 99%?

  53. @GMC

    You went to a foreign land with a military force that was murdering people of a different political persuasion than the ruling junta in DC approved of. The Vietnamese never did anything against the US population. The country at that time was incapable of an attack on US soil and you knew it. That war was originally called a ‘police action’ because there was no cause for hostilities. You went to help that force in their goal of exterminating those of that different political persuasion.

    “Government is good at one thing: It knows how to break your legs, hand you a crutch, and say, “See, if it weren’t for the government, you wouldn’t be able to walk”.” – Harry Browne

    So, metaphorically you handed out crutches, but your buddies did much more than broke some legs. Where was your conscience when US aircraft were napalming villages? How could you condone aggression against the same people you were building roads for? The distinction between north and south was what some political asshat decided upon. The people were of the same culture. Where were you when William Calley Jr staged the My Lai Massacre? Did you refuse to continue working for the military that produced that atrocity?

    You are as guilty as those firing weapons.

    I got out by telling the last asshat wearing a costume, that I knew who my enemies are and it wasn’t the Vietnamese. I proclaimed that regardless of some bullshit draft law, I’m no ones slave and won’t serve them under any circumstances. I made the mistake of getting a great score on their tests and watched some jerk write lieutenant across my sheet. That was when lieutenants were being fragged.

    Because my paperwork showed numerous interviews that didn’t go as they planned, he had a decision to make. I had several deferments because I was the only developer for a software system deemed important enough for the company to request a deferment. That system took me over 5 years to write. That last interrogator signed me up for my last deferment to get rid of me because he could tell I was going to be more trouble than I was worth. The war eventually ended with the US the loser. Had that not turned out that way, I would have gone to Europe or Australia where I had connections. Under no circumstances was I going to murder people I had no quarrel with.

    • Replies: @Chris Moore
    , @GMC
  54. Israel and the ZUSS are the major committers of war crimes and are the major war criminals in the world and aside from the wars did the domestic war crime on America with their attack on the WTC on 911, for which they have never been held accountable, and every thinking American knows that they did it.

    What Israel is doing to the Palestinians is what the US did to the native American Indians, killing and committing genocide on an indigenous people.

  55. @FB

    Anyone who volunteers to join the US military should know damned well what they are getting into. Are they not all adults with at least a certain level of intelligence? For you or anyone to call them “Sacrificial Lambs” is ludicrous.

    • Replies: @FB
  56. Who will be doing these war crime prosecutions? The whole world (minus Syria, Iran, and NK) are tied into the international banking matrix that comes out of NYC and London. Doubt the bankers will allow it since the war crimes were likely done on their behest to steal resources and settle old scores.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  57. @Priss Factor

    Watched Local Hero. Really good. You get some more points for that

  58. chuckywiz says:

    In this age of fast communication I would like to see an international organization that sole mission be to disseminate information on war criminals living among us. An international data base just like sex offenders, for their crimes, their pictures in public places in different countries (there wont be any shortage of volunteers to post the pictures). This would discourage the MSM portraying these criminals as older statements, writing books, appearing on TV propaganda and enjoying celebrity status and cashing in on speaking engagements.

    Heck we had playing cards with pictures of Iraqi army most wanted personnel. Why cant we have those cards with picture os such criminals (could be good online business). I am sure there is so much talent around the world to kick such ideas.

    Start with Henry Kissinger, Bush, Collin Powell, Tony Blair, Hillary, Obama, Clinton, Rumsfeld, Cheney, the entire Israeli cabinet for past 5 decades to name a few. Not a bad wishful thinking.

  59. skrik says:
    @RoatanBill

    Saying NO might just start a trend

    or even a movement! On yer. rgds

    PS

    http://www.arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml

    • Replies: @skrik
  60. @Anonymouse

    It has often been pointed out that the Zionists chose the wrongest possible part of the world to establish a colony. However that is a done deed. …For a country at war, nothing done in aid of its preservation may be considered a war crime.

    One day the Arabs WILL reclaim Palestine, and it will be a done deed too. Then, whatever they do to the Jews will not be considered a war crime, if one is to follow your logic. Even now, by your reasoning, whatever atrocities Palestinians may commit by launching or infiltrating from Gaza and the West Bank cannot be considered as war crimes since they are at war with Israel fighting for their very survival. You ride high now with the US and the EU behind your back but one day you will sink low. I wonder when that day of reckoning comes if you will also deny it is a crime whatever they may do to the Jews to neutralise them forever from their territories.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  61. Chris Moore says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    The Vietnamese never did anything against the US population.

    But their naivety made them ripe for take over by Marxist Jews. Yes, Capitalist Jews were in the process of taking over America, too.

    The Zionists were the problem, then and now. But you’re too cowardly to join any collectivist effort against them.

    Under no circumstances was I going to murder people I had no quarrel with.

    Looks like your Catholic indoctrination paid off, in that circumstance. Too bad you abandoned post and became a simpering coward “atheist” and “anarchist.” Yes, the Catholic Church has been corrupted too, but Christian principles are still rock solid. But I guess the lure of easy living and telling yourself your big software brain is all you need to get along gave you permission to sell your soul.

    So what are you doing on Unz Review justifying yourself? Some desperate effort to reclaim your conscience? Or are you poisoning the well for your soulless Jewish masters?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  62. @Anonymouse

    The country of Israel sits on stolen land. The Brits stole it and gave it to the Zionists. The Brits had no right to give what wasn’t theirs. The Zionists were and are in receipt of stolen land. The original owners have been petitioning ever since to get their land back. In any sane jurisdiction around the world, those in receipt of stolen goods must give it back; except for Israel as their theft is on such a grand scale that they call it a country.

    The entire Palestinian issue is about land. It’s always been about land, their land that the Israeli’s stole from them and continue to steal today under the color of law. Why should the Palestinians ever give up trying to get back what was stolen from them?

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Anonymouse
  63. @Chris Moore

    You’re a nasty little man. You can’t seem to write anything without attacking.

    No one controls me or my thoughts; not the jews, not the christians, nobody. I say piss on all religions as they inevitably led to the greatest atrocity the world has ever known – government.

    Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.
    Robert G. Ingersoll

    I don’t join organizations because they have leaders. I don’t believe in leaders – get it? I believe in the individual as the ultimate sovereign. ‘Leaders’ are the heads of state, the heads of the ADL, the heads of the BLM, etc, and ARE the problem because the terminally stupid follow their leadership right into oblivion.

    Leadership is what got the whole damned world into this mess. No individual can start a war, but the leadership of a state that controls the low IQ morons certainly can. Leadership is poison.

    I’m here on UR to counter the shallow thinkers like you.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  64. And nobody wants to talk about the hundreds of domestic warcrimes committed by jews and their goons during peace times. For example:

    https://cyber-torture.com/

  65. @Commentator Mike

    “…One day the Arabs WILL reclaim Palestine…”

    Most Arab nations are becoming bored with the Palestinian cause. The Palestinians refuse to negotiate directly with Israel. The Arab nations do not have eternal patience with them.They are realizing that fighting for that (lost) cause has brought them nothing and that they better concentrate on developing their own countries. Egypt and Jordan have already made peace with Israel. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States already cooperate with Israel and Morocco has informal contact with Israel. Recently Netanyahu has been received by the sultan of Oman. The tide is turning in the Arab world and the Palestinians will lose everything by refusing to accept something.

    • Disagree: Colin Wright
  66. geokat62 says:
    @Chris Moore

    …once the Jews bedded the WASP elites, and vice-versa.

    Unfortunately, it was a one-way street.

  67. @RoatanBill

    There are still gaps in your knowledge of matters to do with Jews and Zionism. The Brits actually opposed the giving of Palestine to the Jews and limited Jewish immigration there. The Balfour Declaration was no gift of land or even a promise of it. You obviously overlook the fact that there was land for sale in the old Ottoman province, subsequently a League of Nations mandated territory. The stealing (or conquest) of land occurred after British rule ended.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @skrik
  68. skrik says:
    @RoatanBill

    The country of Israel sits on stolen land

    Yes.

    The Brits stole it and gave it to the Zionists

    No. The Balfour declaration made a promise that the Brits could never deliver on, since they themselves never owned Palestine; that was and still is the preserve of the native, [pre-Herzl, say], Palestinians, now mostly their heirs and successors. UNGA181 (Partition Plan) was a *failed* attempt at ‘legitimacy;’ it was passed only narrowly under Zionist duress but never OK’d by the UNSC and is therefore not law. To ‘add insult to injury,’ UNSC242 states: “Emphasizing the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war”; the invading Zionists have *no* legal claim to any of Palestine (outside of the miserable few bits [about 6% IIRC] ‘legally’ purchased, mostly ‘lower class’ land, mostly from absentee-owners pre WW2). Then, there’s UNGA194 (Palestinian right of return). Kindly consider this suggested restorative plan:

    RoR+R*3 = Right of Return + Revest, Reparations and Reconciliation.

    There can never be peace without justice; the illegal invaders must agree to something not less than my RoR+R*3 suggestion – or simply vacate, and that ASAP. rgds

  69. There is already the highly reputable and credible (in my opinion) Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuala_Lumpur_War_Crimes_Commission

    Now why doesn’t this so-called “international community” support this Tribunal instead of dragging the perps (if it will ever) to some other courts? No need to answer. We all know. Because the war criminals want to be the prosecution, judge, and jury.

  70. GMC says:
    @RoatanBill

    I have no problem with your decision not to go into the miltary. You did what you did and I did what I did. My Best friend became a Chicago cop and didn t have to go _my other friend, went and blew his brains out when he came home. In fact most of all my Nam friend are dead now. You never walked in our boots, we never walked in yours. LEAVE it at that. I retired in Crimea next to a Russian, Who spent 6 mos. In Nam during our Amerikanski war, we toast the Nam with a bottle of vodka _regularly. Oo dah chee

    00

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  71. Realist says:
    @Just another serf

    The American government, clearly distinct from the American people, have bombed unimaginable numbers of civilians at least starting in World War II.

    Agreed.

  72. @Wizard of Oz

    The Brits controlled the area that is now Israel when the Zionist terrorists in the Irgun, Haganah, the Stern Gang, etc ‘forced’ them out. The Brits let the Zionist terrorists take over instead of rooting them out.

    Given the political leanings of the British gov’t, the withdrawal of Brit forces sure smells like a planned event to make good on their political vision while providing historical cover.

    As we say in NY, don’t piss on my shoes and try to convince me it’s raining.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  73. Killing hope is the ZUS and Israel’s primary spiritual business.

    The late-William Blum, Jewish, wrote “Killing Hope”and he was definitely on to something bad & big, regrettably everlasting.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
  74. @GMC

    Let sleeping dogs lie is exactly what has given the world an endless series of US offensive military adventures. It is what has caused millions of innocent deaths since Vietnam.

    Your advice is self serving. It is also wrong.

    The US will never have to answer for the death and destruction is has caused, but the US empire will end despite all their futile attempts to keep it going. That’s all the wars were ever about – keeping the political class and their owners fat and happy.

    The current environment has the stench of the US Empire’s death circling the globe along with the finance facilitators that control it. Time will tell if the ignorant masses figure out how they’ve been played and seek vengeance on the billionaires currently in the process of stealing the world’s wealth.

  75. gsjackson says:
    @theMann

    Well, they’re certainly guilty of, by my count, the suspension of 15 constitutional rights.

  76. anarchyst says:
    @RoatanBill

    Your name-calling exposes you as a small-minded individual, not the “intellectually superior type” that you claim to be.

    Shame on YOU…

    Your looking down on those of us who were active participants in Vietnam exposes your sense of “guilt”, (however deeply embedded and denied).

    Those of us who served did so for various reasons, but was NEVER to kill with impunity.

    GMC is dead right.

    YOU are one of many who are responsible for perpetuating the Vietnam Veteran stereotype in which YOU paint all of us who served with a very broad brush.

    Almost ALL of us Vietnam veterans came back with sound minds to an ungrateful country and quietly resumed our lives without incident or fanfare.

    The promised government jobs that were mandated into law for returning Vietnam veterans never materialized as the hiring managers were all non-veterans who got their own non-veteran buddies into those jobs.

    There are still many who are of the same ilk as traitor Hanoi Jane Fonda who gave aid and comfort to the enemy while our POWS were (and are) still in captivity.

    Very few returning Vietnam veterans had problems-the stereotype of mental illness and instability that they claim that Vietnam veterans possess that many misguided people claim is totally false.

    There are those who have swallowed the false history-standard loss of Vietnam lies hook line and sinker. Americans and South Vietnamese prevailed in every battle-bar none.

    In fact, TET 1968 was a decisive victory for the South Vietnamese and American forces-the Viet Cong and North Vietnamese forces were decimated. The Viet Cong and North Vietnamese regulars attempted to overrun the south and were soundly defeated

    Of course, the American mainstream media claimed it was a victory for the communists.

    North Vietnamese General Giap credited the American mainstream media with giving them new resolve.

    As to the so-called “anti-war protesters” like yourself, YOU only wanted one thing–to save your own skin–nothing more. In fact, when the draft ended, so did the protests.

    Even present-day “uber-patriot” Ted Nugent got in on the act, defecating and urinating on himself and not washing for a month before appearing before the draft board–he was sent home. He stated that Vietnam “was not his war”…

    The American Vietnam war was not a civil-war but was an INVASION by the communist North Vietnamese, who wanted control of the whole country. The INVASION was allowed to continue when American troops left and South Vietnamese troops were not resupplied.

    Those who have watched the Ken Burns’ schlockumentary on Vietnam, in which he built up the North Vietnamese while exacting harsh criticism (lies) on the American and South Vietnamese troops were exposed to Burns’ lies and fabrications.

    Of course, to his credit, Burns let it slip that the re-education camps contrary to communist claims (actually prisons) would be in operation for approximately six months after the war was over, it turns out that many former South Vietnamese were imprisoned for as long as twenty years.

    Even today, the communist government will not allow war memorials or even upkeep on cemeteries where South Vietnamese soldiers are buried. Just as the situation in the USA today, communists FEAR history. Hence, historical monuments in the USA are being destroyed or removed.

    Post-war Vietnam was so wonderful, tens of thousands of boat people risked life and limb to escape that communist paradise [silence].

    Ask the Vietnamese who live in garden Grove and Westminster California what they think…

    I almost never name-call, but must make an exception in this case. You appear to be nothing more than a decrepit old draft-dodger who has not come to terms with your failures and poor decisions in your younger life.

    Regards,

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Chris Moore
  77. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You obviously overlook the fact that there was land for sale in the old Ottoman province

    Why write this? What possible significance does it have? See my “outside of the miserable few bits [about 6% IIRC] ‘legally’ purchased” above.

    subsequently a League of Nations mandated territory

    Again, so what?

    The stealing (or conquest) of land occurred after British rule ended

    Britain had the LN mandate, was *not* the ruler. Then, note UNSC242, it is outright theft, never ‘conquest.’ Inter alia, part of the LN mandate was to prepare Palestine for self government – kindly note, *not* to prepare Palestine for takeover by illegally invading aliens. Yes, Britain made a show of limiting Jewish migration into Palestine, but substantively failed – we do assume [= know], on purpose. Apologists [to use a diplomatic term] for Israel disgrace themselves, while besmirching justice. Oh! Only IMHO, as usual and of course.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  78. When Israel really is punished for the genocide of Palestinians and their destruction of churches etc. of Palestinian Christians (cheered by Christian Zionists in the US), and I mean punished (that’ll be the day since Rothschild owns about 70 percent of Israel as per the secret deal regarding the Balfour Declaration made to Rothschild by Arthur Balfour), then and only then will the US govt. be punished for war crimes…because they do these crimes mostly at the behest of Israel and its owners.

    Of course the average American will pay for this as well, but it is just desserts considering we the people could have stopped this or at least tried. As with Covid-19, 9-11 became the new normal and most Americans cheered the murders of innocent Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, and other Muslim folks just because “Muslims did 9-11” (which many Americans now agree is hogwash). We will get what we deserve, and really, we already are.

    If this country becomes communist or under control of Israel (it kinda already is–Noahide) or China or someone else, it is because we have let it happen. And true believers on Christ will be decapitated and everyone else will welcome “the mark”.

  79. @Franklin Ryckaert

    It will be a long slog. What you say about the current state of those Arab regimes is correct. But trusting Israel and establishing closer relations with the Zionist state does no bode well for them. There will be more wars and strife in the Arab world and the present regimes will fall too. The ensuing chaos and anarchy will favour Israel for a while but eventually something new will arise to sweep that state off the map. The Arab people are more Jews wise than anybody and once they have more say in the way their governments are run Israel’s days will be numbered.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  80. @Realist

    Voting is not the answer–exactly. “If you don’t vote you can’t complain” the saying goes.
    The time for complaining is over.

    • Replies: @Realist
  81. anon[579] • Disclaimer says:

    Commentator Mike, universal jurisdiction crime means it’s open season on US criminals. Everybody can get into the act. The Rome Statute has detailed procedures (Article 90) for which jurisdiction has dibs.

    https://www.icc-cpi.int/resourcelibrary/official-journal/rome-statute.aspx

    The KWCT is a commission established by a foundation and so an NGO, not a state court. The KLWCT sticks to neglected crimes, so once the ICC gets involved, their work is done. They’ve written the bill of indictment for the worst war criminals, so any ICC investigation can be held to the standards of independent jurists of international repute.

    There’s an elaborate diplomatic shoving match going on. The ICC is understandably hesitant about taking on the US before its integrity is established, so it has mostly prosecuted rinky dink 3rd world war criminals, slowly gaining cred (with relatively few fuckups like the Bemba appeal.) But then most of Africa threatened to withdraw, and Russia made an announcement the US made decades ago, “Fuck that, count us out.” That made demonstrated independence a matter of survival for the ICC, so the court has a compelling reason to sack up. If the court can’t tackle US impunity, there’s no point to it, as the signatories and treaty parties see it.

    https://academic.oup.com/jicj/article/11/3/545/814499

  82. @anarchyst

    What name calling have I engaged in? I make it a point to not use name calling when I’m replying, with the exception that I allow myself reciprocity. If I recall correctly, your first post in reply to mine started with an ad hominem. Would you call that hypocritical?

    You can make up any fairy tail you like to sooth your conscience, but the plain facts are that the US engaged in a war it had no business being in.

    All I know is I’m not responsible for any deaths anywhere in the world through my actions.

    Can you say the same?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  83. @roatonbill has made you all sound simple – to say the least. Everything he has said is RIGHT both morally, ethically and factually. All one can do in response is spew more divisive hate. Well done. Wake the flock up and look around. You ain’t free and never were. The country is crumbling. The “government” (your rulers) are all criminal cons or deviant perverts and for some reason you want to salute and follow lie after lie all the way to the basement or grave. Read and listen to something other than a scripted narrative intended to keep you in the dark. All you simpletons respond to thought out intellectual statements with pure nonsensical ignorance. I’ll bet @anarchyst is not a true anarchist because it’s evident he has been RULED for a very long time. I also will bet that most of the hate and ignorance comes from envy. @roatonbill didn’t not allow his brain to be hijacked from the beginning and removed himself from this diseased nation. And its diseased – just look around. Ex head of Monsanto is in charge of the FDA making sure their poison gets into all our food… Shall I go any further??? #@roatanbill2020!!!!! And I also find it quite amusing when he lists one after another of Reagan 2.0’s NON-ACCOMPLISHMENTS and it’s crickets from the duped!!!! Well done. Fools.

    • Replies: @Da's Reich
  84. @RoatanBill

    “political [sic] leanings of the British government”

    You really don’t have a clue what you are talking about do you? You’re just stuck with scrambling up nonsense to avoid admitting your ignorance The British Labor government was busy with nationalisations and creating a welfare state while rebuilding and restoring an economy ruined by the war. They were retreating from imperial hangovers as fast as decently possible and had absolutely no “political” or any other interest in remaining in Palestine any longer than they absolutely had to.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  85. Z-man says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    But…ya gotta have hope.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  86. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    What about the Jew’s Bad War? Desden, Hamburg, Hiroshima, Nagasaki (the Catholic Cathedral was the bombardier’s aimpoint), Morgenthau’s post-war genocide? http://judaism.is/aftermath.html Of course, we have come to expect such genocide since the Judeo-Protestant Deformation http://www.questia.com/library/book/jewish-influence-on-christian-reform-movements-by-louis-i-newman.jsp

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  87. @Wizard of Oz

    Are you seriously claiming that Rothschild had nothing to do with the creation of Israel? When Israel came under the British Mandate in 1923, Baron Rothschild established the Palestinian Jewish Colonization Association (PICA), to which he transferred the management of his enterprises in Israel.

    https://www.ramat-hanadiv.org.il/en/timeline/baron-edmond-de-rothschild/

    Are you going to dismiss the Balfour Declaration as not having happened. Didn’t it outline the British gov’t leanings?

    That the Brits wanted out is obvious. But the fact of the matter is they turned the area over to Zionist terrorists, the leaders of which became high Israeli gov’t officials and the world has suffered from that ever since.

    I think it’s you that needs to wake up.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  88. @skrik

    Your nitpicking is irrelevant because my purpose was simply to draw attention to Roatanbill’s ignorance or carelessness without wasting time on his anarchist faith. As you point out there was very little land to “steal” because most land belonged to the state and was, like the land the Bedouin have been pressured to leave recently been state owned land which some people were allowed to use.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @RoatanBill
    , @joe2.5
  89. @RoatanBill

    If there was any real justice in the world, all US military individuals from Vietnam onward would be up before a war crimes tribunal and eventually hung.

    And you are excluding World War II for what reason? The US military and political leadership were fully aware of the many peace proposals offered by the Germans. They brutally bombed civilians long after their ultimate victory was clear. And then caused the death of a million German POWs in the Rheinwiesenlager camps. I shouldn’t need to mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  90. @RoatanBill

    >The country of Israel sits on stolen land.

    Of course it does. All countries, all nations sit on stolen land. That incontestable historical fact is overlooked by the selective moralists on this forum who would condemn the Israelis for displacing the previous inhabitants. The deplaced assuming their conquerors let them live instead of killing all the men and children and seizing the women have the natural right to resort to arms to reclaim the land they once held. Perhaps sometime in the unpredictable future, they might succeed. Your prediction that the Arabs will recover their land reflects your dislike of jews. What’s the cute term for expressing a wish as a fact? The past and present history of the jews leavens the everydayness of average individuals with their exceptional achievements which are in fact things of wonder and deserving of emulation. Envy and resentment although pointless as a life strategy is not an unnatural reaction. Giraldi earns part of a livelihood by endlessly recycling that affect.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Colin Wright
  91. @Al Liguori

    What’s your point?

    How does what others have done change what the US military did in Vietnam?

    Does two wrongs don’t make a right sound familiar?

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  92. @Anonymouse

    You believe might makes right if I’m not mistaken. I don’t share that belief.

    Now show me where I made any kind of prediction. You made that up in your head. Is that your cute way of building a straw man?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  93. @Moi

    ‘Americans have a unique (Exceptional?) privilege–never having to say sorry no matter what their crimes.’

    You’re welcome to show the way.

    List your crimes and apologize for them.

    • Replies: @Moi
  94. @Anonymouse

    ‘Of course it does. All countries, all nations sit on stolen land. That incontestable historical fact is overlooked by the selective moralists on this forum who would condemn the Israelis for…’

    Oh bullshit. I just can’t be bothered to go through all this one more time. If you were actually willing to argue in good faith, you wouldn’t still be regurgitating these tired old rationalizations.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  95. skrik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    My (alleged) nitpicking is your (voluntary) error. The latter may happen due to your ignorance or your malevolence, which? Further, Palestine-invading Jews have never been ‘allowed’ to use stolen land – they do it at the point of a gun.

  96. Polemos says:
    @Anonymouse

    For a country at war, nothing done in aid of its preservation may be considered a war crime. Legally that is termed raison d’état.

    So, it’s not a war crime if it’s done “in aid of [a country’s] preservation” during a war?

    What then is a war crime if there are no crimes during war?

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  97. @Commentator Mike

    Have you compared Israel’s military power with that of the Arab countries? Which Arab country – pray tell – is willing to lose a war against Israel, for a people they don’t really like? History is not ruled by “morality”, but by power and selfishness.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  98. @Roatanbillfan

    Had a look at the comments of RoatanBill,

    As good a commenter as I have seen here to date,

    In one of his comments on another article he did mention something about death camps in Europe during WW2,

    He might check in with another quality commenter ‘Wally’ on that one,

    Thats my only gripe,

    What makes this site really good is the discussions in the comments section,

    C’mon the Unz.

  99. @RoatanBill

    The observation that the laws of societies are enacted by those who rule them, whether tyrant, king, aristocratic cabal or the people as in 5th century BC Athens is not a belief.

    Did you not predict the eventual overthrow of Israel by the Palestinians which you hope for? Perhaps I’m confusing you with another.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  100. @Just another serf

    And you are excluding the the Peloponnese War for what reason?

    You have to start somewhere and WW-II was before my time.

  101. @Colin Wright

    I suspect you are trying to say that my observation that all regimes are founded on a crime, as Montesquiou points out in l’Esprit des lois, is a rationalization in attempting to justify (in the eyes of man and G-d) the legal existence of the state of Israel. That accusation is true if the original observation is false. In the light of the history of societies and nations, you will have a hard time demonstrating the falsity of that observation.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Colin Wright
  102. Realist says:
    @omegabooks

    “If you don’t vote you can’t complain” the saying goes.

    A stupid saying for sure…but complaining is not the answer either. Action is the answer.

  103. @Anonymouse

    Did you not predict the eventual overthrow of Israel by the Palestinians which you hope for?

    No, I did not. Show me where I did.

    Don’t posture, show me exactly where I did. Put up or shut up.

  104. @RoatanBill

    This is pretty faulty reasoning. Your video showed only the senators & IRS employees as the gang/enforcers, which is irrational even by libertarian standards.

    The actual enforcers are the police, military, and intelligence agencies, but also includes financial institutions, media, schools, colleges, public healthcare (Medicare/aid), and welfare agencies/recipients. If everyone stopped paying their taxes, instantly there’d be millions of brownskins rioting to demand their free food back, the media would run 24/7 coverage of the crash weight loss program, and liberal women of both sexes, brainwashed by years of public school and Hollywood, would demand the military start putting down the slave revolt with napalm. Millions would die even with a peaceful collapse, and there’s very little chance of peace.

    The system’s enforcers make up a large percent of the population. It varies based on the issue, but that percent can range from ~20% to ~90%. People would rather pay 50% of their income and avoid civil war than keep it and risk losing everything. The only reason it’s getting closer now is because it’s becoming increasingly clear to the white slaves that their end is coming anyways, because the gang in charge has promised their pets more than they can possibly deliver and taught them to view whites as the root of all evil.

    Back to the video: notice that the dots composing the masses are many colors, and the enforcers are one color. This is no accident. There can be no will without coherence. Neither a heterogeneous group of many factions nor a mass of rationally self-interested people can resist tyranny, but a unified people can. Only people willing to sacrifice their own interests for the good of the whole will actually fight for what’s right, which is ironically the group that is least opposed to paying taxes, or for that matter supporting wars that they’ve been mislead into believing was in their group’s interest.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  105. @Wizard of Oz

    The people that were pressured to leave did so because the Haganah and Irgun were terrorizing them. They left to flee death from the Zionist terrorists. Does that eliminate their birthright?

    You have a very selective take on what actually happened to allow you to make the favorable comments towards the current apartheid state of Israel.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  106. Hess says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    You absolutely have no idea how Arab consciousness works. They are Arabs first and foremost not Palestinians or Iraqis or Yemenis. You don’t understand the kind of pressure exerted by the west through various channels to keep them in check but the question is for how long?

    Someday, the US dollar will lose it reserve currency status and when that happens, you’ll find yourself in a totally new world with Arabs being a totally different people.

    What they are doing is surviving, live today to be able to fight tomorrow.

    Than there’s Islam. The issue of the Palestine is not limited to the Arabs rather it’s an issue which concerns the whole Islamic world including Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesians and lord knows how many of them. Arabs only constitute 20% of the Muslim world. Someday, the locus of knowledge and power will shift “yet again” back to the east. Islam is sleeping not dead. It’s gonna wake up someday like it happens to all the civilizations.

    Israel is just not sustainable no matter how you work it out.

  107. @NobodyKnowsImADog

    First, it’s not my video. It’s Larken Rose’s video and he definitely gets the essence of gov’t correct.

    To your entire second paragraph, I say , ‘so what’. The end is near as the economy has been mortally wounded and an infusion of new funny money won’t/can’t resuscitate the cadaver. The rioting and violence has already begun by the human trash egged on by the left wing political class. What they fail to realize is that the moderates that work for a living and fund the welfare payments, free this and free that, that has kept a lid on social unrest are near saying ‘enough is enough’, especially when they lost their jobs due to a plandemic, not a real one.

    Once the working class explodes in rage, the protected snowflakes in Antifa and BLM are history. Between then an now, the push to seize Constitutionally protected weaponry will be tried, has already been unsuccessfully tried, and those doing the attempted collections will likely get a high speed response. Attacks on police are on the rise and very soon most of them will quit to use their skills to protect their families. That would leave military forces, be it the National Guard or even the actual US military to try to quell the inevitable violence.

    Initially, the troops will shoot at USians. Soon, they will realize that troops stationed where their relatives live are killing their kin and that’s when the troops will refuse to go further. Those dots are going to turn on their superior officers. The end of the Fed Gov in its entirety is a distinct possibility as their predation over decades is the ultimate cause of all the ills in the country. The US’s fate was sealed with the Federal Reserve Act and the 16th Amendment.

    The color of the dots has no significance, as far as I’m concerned, but is just a better way of displaying their numbers. A sea of one color would be boring. The fact that the opposition is seen as one color is due to the proportional numbers. How would one represent a tiny dot, the overlords, with more than one color?

    • Replies: @NobodyKnowsImADog
  108. Who should be held accountable for war crimes and who would be are two very different questions. The list of war criminals who should be held accountable by rights includes every US president since Truman (his personal crimes – nuking and firebombing numerous Japanese cities, killing hundreds of thousands of non-combatants), every British prime minister (at least since Tony Blair), every Israeli prime minister since its creation, many other Western officials, etc. The list of those who would be held accountable is a lot shorter: some tin pot African strongmen, maybe some (but not all) war criminals from former Yugoslavia, and that’s about it. Life is not fair.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  109. @anarchyst

    name-calling exposes [RoatanBill] as a small-minded individual, not the “intellectually superior type” that [he] claims to be.

    Exactly. He’s a hypocrite, and he’s additionaly dismissive of Jewish Marxist predations on Vietnam to drive it into the arms of predatory Jewish bankers, the whole satanic exercise resulting in millions of deaths.

    After sitting in self-righteous judgement of the victims of that dialectic (instead of calling out the evil-doers) he has the chutzpah to claim he’s not guilty of harming anyone. Maybe he’s not, but at best he’s a moral coward.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  110. skrik says:
    @Anonymouse

    [long – not sorry]

    all regimes are founded on a crime

    OK; certainly possible.

    a rationalization in attempting to justify … the legal existence of the state of Israel

    Err, no: That the state of Israel was founded on a crime [uncontested] means only that it is an illegal (and rogue) regime, that’s all. For example, both US and Aus are accused of being, as a ‘secondary effect’ founded over the bodies – [mostly dead, but largely by ‘attrition’ (possibly excepting small-pox doped blankets or more crudely, muskets, say)] – of the original natives, whereas the Zionists deliberately set out as a ‘primary object’ to murder any/all non-fled Palestinians – for some proof, see Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall,” say.

    The one thing all dedicated hasbarats fear, even above and beyond considering their own premature = untimely demise, is facing certain truths. Why? Because these truths would totally destroy their raison d’être = they’d have no reason to live on, not for the smallest part of a pico-sec.

    Here is such a truth: The Z-project, based latest on Herzl’s 1st Congress in 1897[1], ‘green-lighted’ by the UK via Balfour[2], strategised by Jabotinsky’s “Iron Wall” essay & “Ethics”[3 a, b, c then d] finally ‘enabled’ by UNGA181[4 a, b, c, d] – is a persistent, open and incredibly damaging crime-scene of the Nuremberg-class[5].

    It simply doesn’t get worse than that – and the hasbarats *know* it; they have no defence and so completely avoid addressing the ‘alien burglar/home-invasion analogy.’ They cannot avoid that fact – and so their entire (twisted, deceptive = lying) case collapses.

    Refs

    [1] “Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine.”

    [Me: How ‘legally?’ By theft? Fail from the start.]

    [2] “Whatever deference should be paid to the views of those living there, the Powers in their selection of a mandatory do not propose, as I understand the matter, to consult them.”

    [3a] “the Palestinian Arabs would not agree to a Jewish majority in Palestine, and that “Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.””

    [3b] “No native population would stomach the intrusion of another nation into their territory. So the gloves have to be off. Unremitting force is viewed as the only answer to Arab objections to Zionist control of the territory.”

    [3c] “In its early years, and under Jabotinsky’s leadership, Revisionist Zionism was focused on gaining British aid for settlement. Later, Revisionist groups independent of Jabotinsky’s leadership, conducted campaigns of violence against the British authorities in Palestine to drive them out and establish a Jewish state.”

    [3d] “… illegal immigration by Jews to the British Mandate for Palestine in violation of British White Paper of 1939 restrictions, in the years 1934-1948.”

    [4a] UNGA181 “The mandatory Power shall use its best endeavours to ensure that an area situated in the territory of the Jewish State, including a seaport and hinterland adequate to provide facilities for a substantial immigration, shall be evacuated at the earliest possible date …”

    [4b, me:] Note that “shall be evacuated” portends ‘ethnic cleansing’ (at least this part being enough to invalidate the whole of UNGA181; but then e-c actually carried out by genocidal methods:

    [4c] Invaders (most Z-terrorists were ‘not from there’ = not from Palestine = aliens), viciously attacking the hapless local erstwhile legal owner/occupiers = ELO/Os, see Plan Dalet/Deir Yassin and similar outrages, sporadically but continuously repeated, down to the ‘current moment.’

    [4d] Needless to say, 100s of 1000s of innocent ELO/Os were driven out of their homes, properties and country, then see UNGA194 (right of return) and UNGA273, wherein Israel promised to honour the UN Charter in general plus 181 + 194 in particular – promises honoured in the breach = in continuous violation thereof ever since.

    [5] “The International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, called the waging of aggressive war “essentially an evil thing… to initiate a war of aggression… is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”” rgds

  111. Sparkon says:
    @RoatanBill

    “…fairy tail…“

    That’s almost too funny for words, but I can’t help wondering if it’s a written malapropism, or a Freudian slip.

  112. Justice, especially political justice, is a matter of who/whom: Who has the power and which groups have ‘sacral’ worth? This is also true of individuals — notice how certain Jews tend to get pardoned more than people of other groups, and consider how the Law pretty much allows black thugs and shoplifters/looters to walk free — but especially true at the political level. In Central America during the Cold War, the white-led right-wing regimes could employ ‘death squads’ and mow down countless indigenous brown folks suspected of being sympathetic to Marxist guerrillas. That was ‘justice’ in those parts, with the acquiescence of US power. In communist nations, the secret police could arbitrarily arrest anyone and charge him of treason, espionage, or ‘bourgeois’ thought crimes. The accused could be sent to prison camps or shot dead in basements. That was ‘justice’ under communism. So, justice is usually the tool of the power. It is what the Power wants and says it is.

    Under liberal systems, there developed the idea that justice should be impartial, fair-minded, based on strict adherence to laws(applicable to all), and protective of the ‘universal rights’ of all citizens, rich or poor, regardless of color or creed. Though liberal systems were far from perfect in the practice of administering justice, it could be said that, more or less, the West was moving toward greater impartiality and fairness up to the 1960s. This mode of justice was based on individual rights. But the Civil Rights Movement wasn’t just about the right of blacks as individuals but as a group, and that agenda, along with other trends, provided the groundwork for a different kind of justice. If traditional rightist justice favored the upper classes and certain races over others and if the radical leftist justice favored the notion of ‘social justice’ that trampled on individual rights in favor of the supposed good of the collective, the classic liberal notion of justice emphasized the rights of individuals. But the New Liberal theory tended to be both more collective-utilitarian(though not to the extent of communism) and special-interest-oriented in the name of reversing past injustice. Collective-utilitarian notion of justice was at the heart of the New Deal. And special-interest notion of justice animated the Great Society program of LBJ and the rise of Holocaust Cult. By emphasizing the problems of black history, the idea was that blacks as a group deserved special recognition. And because Jews suffered the Holocaust, supposedly the greatest evil act in all of history, they were deserving of special sympathy and consideration. (Initially, pro-black & pro-Jewish attitudes and policies were based on sympathy, but the rising cult of their Noble Suffering and their spectacular success in ‘idolic’ fields of brains & brawn led to idolatrous worship of them as the Truly Superior Races.)
    This came to function as a template for other groups as well. Noticing how blacks and Jews gained so much by pushing for justice on grounds of special interest than individual rights, many groups in the US began to develop their own form of Identity Politics. Identity Politics was different from national chauvinism of old that was premised on the conviction of one’s own people being somehow superior and/or more powerful than others. In contrast, Identity Politics was based on the cult of victim-hood. Your people could be said to be more special if they suffered more than others. As Identity Politics emerged when the white West pretty much dominated all the world — even the Soviet Union was mostly white, something Red China exploited in its appeal to the non-white world during the Sino-Soviet Rift — , the general impression was of White Dominance and Non-White Victim-hood. Still, as the scales of victim-hood were still determined by the Power, it all came down to who/whom/when/where as emphasized by the Narrative, the product of media & academia.
    Victim-hood mattered more if the villains were white and if the victims were non-white or Jewish. And it mattered MORE if the oppression happened IN the West, especially the US or Northern Europe. And it was mostly about the 19th and 20th century. As blacks were oppressed in America by whites, they had a good claim. As Jews suffered in Europe in World War II, they too had an easy claim. But much less sympathy goes to non-white victims of whites in non-white lands. More blacks and Hindus were mowed down by whites in Africa and India, but there is far more outrage about far fewer number of blacks who were killed by whites in the US. As for all the violence among non-whites, they don’t matter. Who cares about what’s been happening in Kashmir? Even as anti-whites claim to call for ‘de-colonization of the mind’, they are hopelessly ‘West-centric’ in emphasizing what happened/happens in the West uber alles. (Furthermore, these ‘de-colonizers’ are desperate to depart from their own native lands to go live in the West. It’s as if they still consider the West to be the only Metropole that matters. And of course, even most anti-Western rhetoric has been cooked up by self-hating Westerners whose minds were colonized by Jewish Power and fueled by post-Christian need for absolution by some other means. So, anti-white politics is essentially about non-whites adopting the politics of white self-loathing, and as such, non-whites are still under white mind-control, albeit that of self-loathing whites. And the fact that many of these non-whites prize Jews, blacks, and/or homos over their own kind suggests that they’re still totally ‘colonized’ by Western Powers that now happens to controlled by Jews.) A truly de-colonized mind would stop seeing the West as the source of all good and evil — the paradise to emigrate to and the hell to denounce — , but such is the state of your average non-white & anti-white mind.

    Because of the Rules of Identity Politics, various non-whites groups must demonstrate their worthiness of sympathy by emphasizing their victim-hood at the hands of whites in the West, especially in the 20th century(and maybe 19th century). But as many of these groups are relatively recent immigrants, their experience of oppression under whites happened mostly in non-Western lands, and that means their suffering counts for less than that of Jews and blacks. (Even as globalism attacks the notion of national territorial rights, the tragic worth of any history is largely determined by WHERE it happened, i.e. if the police kills a black man on US soil, that is an outrage, but if the US military kills scores of innocent civilians abroad, it doesn’t matter. The logic of Tragic Dirt.) Shoah happened in Europe, and black slavery happened in the US, and as such, they matter more. (Oddly enough though, their cults of suffering are transferable to all others of their kind. So, even though American and Anglo Jews were safe during WWII, indeed infinitely more so than white goyim in Europe who died in greater numbers than the Jews did, they too can invoke ‘muh holocaust’ as fellow Jews. Likewise, recently arrived black African immigrants in US and Europe can also invoke BLM nonsense and ‘muh slavery’ even though their ancestors captured and sold black slaves to Arabs & whites and even though black-on-black oppression & violence in black nations are far beyond anything whites have done to blacks in recent years. Also, the fact that American Indian experience doesn’t count for much in the Narrative shows that the rules of Identity Politics are not set in stone. If a certain group tends not to be vocal and exhibits no special talent in the ‘idolic’ fields, it is mostly ignored regardless of its tragic history at the hands of whites. Today, American Indians, the people with the biggest claim to victim-hood in American History, get less attention than Asian-Indians who are always talking and balking.) Identity Politics is based on victim-hood points, but over time, it has fused with the All-American culture of winner-takes-all. Jews and blacks began their Identity Politics by wailing abut their victim-hood but, in good ole American fashion, gained special consideration because of their success with money, humor, arts & culture, athletics, & entertainment. So, over time, Identity Politics became more like Idolatry Politics. In other words, ‘muh victim-hood’ wasn’t good enough. What really mattered was ‘muh victor-hood to accentuate muh victim-hood’. In other words, if a group could demonstrate superiority in some key field, its victim-hood was to be considered MORE TRAGIC on account of injustice having been done to something better. It’s like it’s deemed worse to kill a gorilla than a baboon or to kill a giraffe than a gazelle.

    So, what we now call Identity Politics is essentially Idolatry Politics. We don’t have mass parades in favor of Palestinians where everyone shows up and waves the BDS flag. But we do have ‘Pride’ Parades where peoples of all colors sing homosannas to fruits and trannies draped in ‘rainbow’ colors. Of course, Jews want it this way because an Identity Politics where all groups have equal worth — or where all non-white groups have equal worth — would be threatening to their Zionist-globalist supremacist agenda. Indeed, what would happen to Jewish Power if Americans were to give equal hearing to Palestinians, Syrians, and Iranians as to Israelis and their Jewish-American enablers? Also, so many groups around the world have had unpleasant experience with Jews, be they blacks in South Africa or the peoples of Latin America. And European History wasn’t only of Antisemitism but Jewish chicaneries, some of which came to do great harm. This is why Jews are wary of all-out Identity Politics. It’s like Ben Shapiro denounces it because it means groups such as Palestinian-Americans can have their day in the sun as a victim group as well.

    As far as Jews are concerned, the only kind of Identity Politics that is acceptable is an Idolatrous one where Jews get to decide the who/whom. So, Jewish Identity and Jewish Suffering are special and must serve as the basis of goyim making amends to Jews by doing whatever Jews demand. And Jews have especially chosen homos and blacks as fellow Idolatrous Groups, not only because both are highly profitable to Jewish industries in fashion & entertainment but because blacks can be used to bait ‘white guilt’ and homo-celebration can be used to replace Christianity with Queertianity. (Deep in their hearts, Jews still regard Jesus and Paul as renegade Jews, and there is no ‘hate symbol’ more ‘triggering’ to Jews than the Christian Crucifix. Of course, as the West was overwhelmingly Christian for over a millennia, Jews couldn’t say that outright, but their big dream was always to destroy Christianity and banish the Crucifix. They tried this by destroying churches in the USSR, but it didn’t work, and so they are now working to spiritually corrupt Christianity with Anno Sodomini and worship of Magic Negro or Fentanyl Floyd.)

    There can be no true justice or impartial justice with idolatry, which is a cheap form of theology. Idolatry may not be deep, but like religion, it is about blind or mindless worship/faith. As such, US justice system is essentially theocratic or ‘idolocratic’. Just like religious folks cannot question, blame, or condemn God or gods(no matter what), the idolocratic US cannot condemn sacred Jews and holy blacks(and homos) no matter what they do. The ONLY time Jews, blacks, and homos come under fire is when they insult or attack one another. So, Donald Sterling the Jewish oligarch had to be denounced because he said unkind things about blacks. So, Nick Cannon has to be bitch-slapped back into ‘sense’ for having said nasty stuff about Jews — never mind what he said about whites. It’s perfectly okay for Jews to insult, defame, and smear whites. It’s okay for blacks to denounce whites as the devil. No matter how much abuse is heaped on them, whites must keep their mouths shut, do nothing as their symbols & monuments are vandalized by mobs or removed by the establishment, take the knee, and cuck out. Or, whites can go into brainwashed Janissary mode like Antifa goons or the likes of John Bolton & Dan Crenshaw and join with Jews against the Culture War on whites and nationalism. How can true justice operate in such a world?

    The fate of Arabs and Muslims in the current order is a sure sign that Idolatry Politics has rendered Justice into a tool of special groups, namely Jews, blacks, and homos. BLM means black lives are precious, white lives are not. And, it’s always who/whom. When blacks kill blacks, never mind. As blacks are special, they may kill other blacks, just like gods may fight gods. But how dare these inferior low-life white mortals dare to kill a black god like Fentanyl Floyd or Gentle Giant Michael Brown? Blacks have been robbing, raping, assaulting, and murdering whites in alarming numbers since the 1960s, but who cares? The god-race may attack the mortal-race. Gods are deemed immortal, and blackness has been immortalized in the sense that the black tragedy of American Slavery has been essentialized to apply to all black folks and all of black history. (Also, electronic recording means that all future generations of whites get to worship Otis Redding and Bob Marley as immortal gods of pop culture.) After all, the so-called 1619 project applies even to black African immigrants, the descendants of blacks who captured and sold slaves. So, all of blackness from time immemorial to all the future is to be defined by tragic suffering at the hands of whites. So, never mind Bantu genocides against other Africans. Never mind Zulu atrocities. Never mind the likes of Idi Amin and all those nasty black thugs in the US and elsewhere. All of blackness through the eons is now about ‘muh slavery’ and ennoblement by suffering under white ‘racism’. 100,000 yrs of blackness is to center around 200 yrs of slavery in America. And Jews have done the same with ‘muh Holocaust’. All of Jewish Identity and History are to be associated with that tragedy. It’s as if all of Jewish-Gentile history led up to that point and all of Jewish-Gentile future must revolve around that memory that condemns whites while consecrating Jews. So, it doesn’t matter if Jewish history is full of bad Jewish behavior and if Jews do terrible things now or in the future. Jewish Identity has achieved Moral Immortality via the Holocaust Cult. Of course, in practice, Moral Immortality can only be a monstrous immorality as it’s downright demented for any human group to act like they’re eternally hallowed and sacred, thus above the rules that apply to other groups.

    What does Moral Immortality for blacks and Jews mean in practice? Consider the fate of Muslims and Arabs. There was the photograph of the Muslim man whose business was destroyed in the aftermath of the Ferguson riots. He’d done no wrong. He was strong-armed and robbed by Michael Brown, and later big bully Brown attacked a police officer and got killed in the altercation. But the ONLY narrative that mattered was ‘black lives matter’. The livelihoods or the lives of Muslim businessmen didn’t matter at all. The Jewish Media pushed Idolatry Politics of blacks uber Muslims. And one wonders how many Muslim businesses were destroyed this time around following the death of Fentanyl Floyd? To the New American Mind, only Jews, blacks, and homos have starring roles as the good guys while whites have the starring roles as villains. All other groups have supporting roles(at best) or exist only as blurry extras in the background. In movies, we don’t care how many people get killed as long as the main characters survive. In INDEPENDENCE DAY, who cares if the entire city blows up as long as the key characters are alive and well and get all the glory?
    I’m assuming many more Muslims had their lives ruined as the result of riots following the death of Fentanyl Floyd, but no one cares. So, blacks have a righteous right to riot, burn, loot, and attack people. Their lives(and lusts) matter, but others don’t matter. This proves the utter hollowness of all this ‘liberal’ yammering about Diversity and Equality. Not only are immigrant groups being slated to pay the bulk of ‘reparations’ to blacks but all these ‘nice white liberals’ show no sympathy for people such as Muslims who were attacked by black violence.

    But it is even worse with Jewish Power and its use of Mass Murder Inc, aka the US military. When Neocons smeared the ‘Arabists’, what were they really attacking? An American policy of blindly favoring Arabs over Jews? No, so-called ‘Arabists’ were calling for a more fair and balanced approach to the Middle East by considering Arab/Muslim interests as well as those of Zionists. If anything, your average ‘Arabist’ was nevertheless more pro-Zionist than pro-Arab. Still, he wasn’t 100% pro-Zionist and willing to lend an ear to the other side, especially in service to American Interests. But, that wasn’t good enough for Jews, for whom it had to be 100% pro-Jewish and the hell with Arab/Muslim interests. In other words, US foreign policy must be totally JEWIST, but of course, all the cuck-shills of Zion aren’t called that. Idolatry Politics means Jews are special, wonderful, and oh-so-admirable in every way. Jews being so great, how can anyone oppose any Jewish demand?
    So, whatever the problem or consequence, the US must always favor Jews EVEN IF these policies lead to wanton destruction of countless Arab/Muslim lives. Jewish Lives Matter, Arab Lives Don’t. Jews can wipe out Palestine off the map, but never mind, and Long Live Israel. Instead, focus on paranoid fantasies of how Iran is going to ‘wipe Israel off the map’. Israel ignores international standards and has 300 nukes with stolen technology and material from the US while Iran has no nukes and has caved to every international demand. But never mind. Shower Israel with billions in aid while starving Iran and subverting its economy, making millions suffer. And if Jews cheer on Saudi Arabia’s genocidal war on Yemen on grounds that it’s good for Jews and bad for Iran, that’s great too. And even though Mossad is carrying out terrorist attacks in Iran(and aiding the most demented terrorists in Syria), ignore all that and just accuse Iran of being the #1 terrorist nation, as worthless Donald Trump does all the time as the pathetic dog of Zion.
    So-called ‘liberals’ are so into idolatry(of Jews, blacks, and homos) that they are incapable of fair-mindedness. And for all their bleating about injustice, they are such craven cowards who dare not offend Jews lest they lose their precious jobs in elite institutions and industries. As for ‘conservatives’, their hierarchical mindset means they will kneel before whomever has the most power and privilege. Whether it’s Sean Hannity praising Amazon or Rich Lowry cucking before his Jewish donors, ‘conservatives’ are following in the grand tradition of sucking up to the royal court. As for some others on the right, cheering for White Jews over Brown Arabs is a subliminal way of White Pride. It’s ironic of course. Jews prohibit white identity and white agency, but Jews wink-wink urge white rightists to cheer for white Jews and Israel(as outpost of Western Civilization) against those Sand Ni**ers. If you can’t have Apartheid and Jim Crow anymore, you can at least cheer for Jim Crowitz and IDF death squads mowing down those brown women and children. The likes of David French will virtue-signal by denouncing Old America but cheer on Israelis defending the border and shooting women and children in Gaza. A truly surreal case of whites, having had their own ‘racism’ canceled by Jews, must outsource their ‘racist’ fantasies to ‘white’ Jews who, being Moral Immortals, have the license to mow down brown people in the old ways of colonialist-imperialist wars.

    Moral Immortality means Jews and blacks get to loot the world. Jews, being smart, used financial trickery to rape the Russian economy. Jewish banksters in Wall Street got massive bailouts and grew even richer during the Great Recession at the expense of Main Street. Ever more billions are poured into the coffers of Israel while coffins multiply in the Muslim World. The likes of Paul Singer and George Soros can loot entire nations.
    Blacks, being stupid and childish, loot in the savage-barbarian way of smashing windows and running off with the goods. And beating up or shooting anyone in their way. Outwardly, blacks seem to do far more damage, but the amount they steal is a pittance compared to cargoes of Jewish Booty. At most, blacks will destroy a part of town. Jewish oligarchs and sharks loot entire economies. Not for nothing was George Soros called ‘the man who broke the Bank of England’. But just like most black looters get to walk away scot-free with their loot, Jewish globalist sharks are allowed to keep their ill-gotten loot and look to steal more and more.

    But, Jewish Power isn’t only about white collar crime. By controlling cuck-politicians of the US, Jewish Power gets to employ Mass Murder Inc, aka US military, to wage Wars for Israel, thus destroying entire nations with invasions, bombings, drone attacks, and blockades. The death tolls abroad from such ventures are far beyond the murder and mayhem committed by blacks. But what do Jews and blacks care? Even when they are caught doing bad stuff, they usually get a slap on the wrist or get pardoned. Most black looters will walk free, and so many bad Jews are never investigated, and even those who get convicted serve in minimum-security prisons or get pardoned. Such is justice in Idolocratic America. Justice follows the theocratic mode of worshipful attitudes toward certain groups who can almost never do wrong even when they do wrong, whereas certain other groups, especially whites, Palestinians, Russians, and Iranians, are always deemed wrong even when they do right. But what would be right-and-wrong in a world of ‘gay marriage’ and ‘trannies are women’ logic that has inverted all sense of reality?

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  113. @Anonymouse

    ‘I suspect you are trying to say that my observation that all regimes are founded on a crime, as Montesquiou points out in l’Esprit des lois, is a rationalization in attempting to justify (in the eyes of man and G-d) the legal existence of the state of Israel. That accusation is true if the original observation is false. In the light of the history of societies and nations, you will have a hard time demonstrating the falsity of that observation.’

    Of course, Nazi Germany or the Taliban regime in Afghanistan become equally defensible and worthy of support.

    I’ll grant Israel is in some sense as legitimate as those states. However, at least we didn’t vigorously support those other examples and make their continued existence possible.

  114. joe2.5 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    That was public land under Ottoman right, i.e. not at all like today’s status of the land that the Bedouin are being genocided out of to the benefit of illegal invaders. Public land, here, 1. responds to the basic concept of the commons, land that the local community put to whatever use they agreed, including cultivation; 2. in Imperial right, it may also be reserved as a profit-bringing privilege to be conferred by the Sultan on any of his deserving subjects (i.e. fiefdom).

    At any rate, if any land was bought as part of the Zionist movement after it had publicly declared (1897) its intent to colonize Palestine and subvert its sovereignty to the benefit of aliens, against the express will of its inhabitants, the title can be considered as void according to many. So, “steal” is probably the correct verb for practically all the area of Palestine.

  115. @Polemos

    The Nazis tried at Nuremberg were accused and convicted of committing crimes against humanity by going to war to conquer other nations. They did not commence war to preserve the German nation from subjugation by another nation. On the other hand, Israel has been under attack by other states and groups of actors like Hizbullah since 1948. Whatever steps she takes to preserve her existence is morally permissable, indeed a moral imperative. That right may be exercised by any nation in aid of its survival. To single out Israel as guilty of war crimes is to assume that she alone of all the nations in the world may not take steps to preserve herself.

    Israel’s crime of colonial conquest of the land of others is relatively recent. Other nations have conquered the land of others in recent times, for example the United States which dispossessed the feather Indians who lived in north America. Or Australia or Canada or New Zealand. Those were no less crimes than than that of Israel. The conquest of lands and the dispossession or extermination of the previous inhabitants lie behind the creation of every other nation in the world whether or not the fact of it is known or lost in the mists of past time.

  116. @skrik

    ‘…It simply doesn’t get worse than that – and the hasbarats *know* it; they have no defence and so completely avoid addressing the ‘alien burglar/home-invasion analogy.’ They cannot avoid that fact – and so their entire (twisted, deceptive = lying) case collapses.’

    There’s also the purely practical consideration that Israel creates a great deal more strife and misery than it does peace and happiness.

    We could, for example, argue that modern New Zealand was founded on crimes unspeakable. However, the fact remains that as it currently exists, it probably contributes more to human happiness in its modest way than it detracts.

    The same cannot be said of Israel, and probably never will be able to be said. It was, aside from the abstract injustice of the whole enterprise, a very bad idea.

    • Agree: skrik
  117. @Chris Moore

    There is no historical proof of a Jesus Christ. The myth was created by the Flavian dynasty of Rome with the help of Josephus (a traitor jew) who was so well liked that he was renamed Flavius Josephus for his treachery.

    The bible was concocted at the Council Of Nicea in 325. It is a collection of political writings to influence the shallow thinkers of the day. Many ‘books’ were omitted because they didn’t promote the company line. As a document, it is a monumental fraud.

    And you wonder why I won’t join in the insanity of the religious cults and the political system infected with them.

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  118. @skrik

    Shrik writes “That the state of Israel was founded on a crime [uncontested] means only that it is an illegal (and rogue) regime, that’s all.”

    All regimes are subject to that accusation and may be adjudged guilty. You speak of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians. The millions of surviving Palestinians Arabs living in Israel herself, in the West Bank and other countries such as Lebanon belie that charge. You single out Israel as alone guilty of what all other nations are guilty of.

    You are passionate in your detestion of Israel and the jews who live there. I can only suspect your implicit claim of good faith. You are feeding on an intoxicating hatred.

    • Replies: @skrik
  119. @Anonymouse

    Is it “Islamic irredentism” to reject a state that bases itself on hyper religous exclusivity and supra-supremacy, and can temporally be demonstrated to be the source of more and continuous armed violence than any other nation state of the 20th century;

    This state has recently officially defined itself as “the Jewish State” and thereby denying the most basic of civil and even basic human rights to the indigenous population that was an overwhelming majority in Palestine only 75 years ago when America’s most favored state was created by massive armed brutality, systematic ethnic cleansing and genocide, This while so many of our media dazed American public, much like our messianic Scofielded Bible thumping Secretary of State, believe was created by divine will and intercession and should, if Zio-Israel program continues on its merry way lead us into another World War or as better phrased by Zio-Christian mis believers like Pompeo and the bulk of the Trumpist supporters, an Armageddon and bring about the prophetic end times that so many are dreaming about, raptured or non-raptured;

    It does seems like in 2020 we are getting closer to some sort of “end time.” Unfortunately, the theological underpinings of US and Anglo Christianity in general in recent time has become more of a totally deviant variety to the earlier Christianity even a few centuries past; the general American public in its quest to become Christian reborn has done so in a manner quite compliant with the political directives of our ‘non Christian’ banking elite;

    That war is based on the irradicable ideological religious enmity of Islam against the existence of a political entity in their part of the world which does not follow the Islamic religion. Worse that they would be jews

    Certainly this old Zio decoy of distraction of pointing to Islam now ‘radical Islam,’ (mounting evidence points to that being an Israeli directed program) has of course nothing to do with Zionisms forced invasion into this area without any serious consideration and conciliation with their defined less than human gentiles of the M.E. whether they be Muslim, Christian or otherwise. This is just another twist to the old tired out MSM fairy tale repeated adnauseum for decades defining state of Israel ipso facto as the “Only Western Democratic Bastion” in the region, historical facts be damned;

    M.E locals have now come to translate speeches proclaiming the need for “Western Democracy” of from the ilks of politicians like Pompeo or Condi Rice as a prelude to another round of violent armed destruction of their civil societies carried out on behalf of this now Jewish Crusade into the M.E. whether the vanguard warriors be “Islamic” auxiliaries, or the armies of Turkey, UK or US.

  120. Art says:

    My top US picks for indictment for war crimes – are Cheney and Rumsfeld. Their evil role in the Iraq War is acknowledged by most all with half a brain. (W Bush is a close third.)

    Certainly, every head of the CIA for the last 20 years is a bonified war criminal.

    The collateral damage of their drone killings is indictment enough.

    • Replies: @Anonymouse
  121. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymouse

    The conquest of lands and the dispossession or extermination of the previous inhabitants lie behind the creation of every other nation in the world whether or not the fact of it is known or lost in the mists of past time.

    You yourself have explained the key distinction:

    Israel’s crime of colonial conquest of the land of others is relatively recent.

    There was an framework of international laws put in place post-1945 to prevent what Supremacist Jewry did to Palestine in 1948.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  122. geokat62 says:

    Whatever happened to the profession of investigative journalism? Now that a hostile elite has captured the commanding heights of our society, including the fourth estate, few dare to shine a spotlight on the crimes against humanity perpetrated by said hostile elite.

    Besides our very own intrepid Philip Giraldi, Whitney Webb is single handedly uncovering more nefarious activities by the Kosher Nostra than all of the Lügenpresse put together.

    Latest instalment, ‘Alleged Salas Family Assailant Worked For US/lsraeIi IntelligenceLinked Firm’ – w/ Whitney Webb:

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  123. @Moi

    This shield used to be very effective. And still is for gullible people. “I’m from the same race as your god”. Everybody kneels…terrified. But when you have “Khan” or other thing in your name, objectively it seems closer to Gengis – Khan or Aga – Kahn than to Jesus. The wolf masquerading in little girl is unmasked.

  124. @geokat62

    ‘The conquest of lands and the dispossession or extermination of the previous inhabitants lie behind the creation of every other nation in the world whether or not the fact of it is known or lost in the mists of past time.’

    You yourself have explained the key distinction:

    ‘Israel’s crime of colonial conquest of the land of others is relatively recent.’

    ‘There was an framework of international laws put in place post-1945 to prevent what Supremacist Jewry did to Palestine in 1948.’

    There’s also the minor detail that two wrongs don’t make a right. The fact that I stole a car when I was a teenager doesn’t oblige me to sit by and do nothing when you rape the neighbor’s daughter.

  125. @Anonymouse

    Israel is the epitome of ‘fruit from the poisoned tree’. Since Israel stole the land it occupies, all else is not relevant.

    That the Israeli’s fight with their neighbors to defend themselves is a human reaction to threat, but because they are sitting on stolen land means they have no right to be there in the first place. It’s like a bank robber objecting to the police firing at them.

    Your constant reference to the crimes of others doesn’t make the most recent crime, that of Israel, any less criminal. Many of the people that lost their land are still alive, whereas those of the US and other nations are long dead and there’s simply no way to compensate them.

    You needn’t worry. Israel will likely survive simply because the political systems of the world are as corrupt as Israel itself.

  126. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    whether to move on the December request by ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda to investigate both Israel and Hamas over suspicions of war crimes in Gaza and Jerusalem as well as on the occupied West Bank beginning in 2014.

    Isn’t that the same judge who’s been dragging her feet in regards to investigating the wide-spread butcheries of the IDF?

    Nothing will come out of this, except some Hamas officials will be indicted, then kidnapped by the thugs occupying Palestine for a show trial.

    Look back at what happened to Slobodan Milošević who conveniently died at the Hague while in prison undergoing trial, an event that probably made the Clinton Mobsters breathe a sigh of relief.

    To say the US has only been committing war crimes for the last 20 years does a disservice to a number of nations, going all the way back to the Spanish-American war, kicked off by our fav way to feed our homicidal tendencies, a false flag.

    What is needed is another Nuremberg type of trial of numerous American and Israeli war criminals and this time around, you wouldn’t have to smash the testicles of those testifying. Like just about anywhere in Iraq that we invaded after the Israeli masterminded 9/11 False Flag was set off by US traitors, Zionist thugs and framed by a very helpful MSM. Many of whom should also be arrested for their parts in mass murders.

  127. @Z-man

    Z-man advised: “… …ya gotta have hope.”

    Yeah, in The Christ, I do have hope.

    Thank you.

    • Agree: Z-man, Art
  128. anarchyst says:
    @skrik

    The Nuremberg trials are a very poor example to use in handling “problem israel”.

    To wit:

    That irrelevant appeal to authority, what the court is saying bears no relevance to what is the reality. Thanks to articles 19 and 21 of the Nuremberg constitution they could accept any rubbish they wanted ignoring standard procedures applied in non biased and independent court:

    Article 19: The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and nontechnical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to be of probative value.

    Article 21: The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and of records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.

    That judicial notice and common knowledge mean, that everything what circulated among people long enough to become common knowledge could be accepted as a fact without need to prove it, like witchcraft which was a common knowledge in the past and thus real according to that silly approach. Sending people to death on the basis of false/missing evidence was a crime. What public believe is irrelevant to what is the reality and evidence. That the so called evidence was accepted without challenge speaks volume about the show nature of such trials.

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @skrik
  129. @Franklin Ryckaert

    You said: “The Palestinians refuse to negotiate directly with Israel”

    Because of the pre-conditions set on any ‘peace talks’ the Palestinian people cannot accept recognizing the zionist entity as they would be agreeing to forfeit the land that they had – but the US media never tell you that.

    If you recall Trump’s recent ‘peace deal’ hilariously referred to by the US media as the “deal of the century” – the Palestinian people were not even invited to the discussions/negotiations.

    The whole enterprise of the zionist entity (formerly the British Mandate of Palestine) was given to the World Zionist Organization (headed by Rothschild) via the Balfour Declaration in NOV 1917 (when only 50.000 Jews were living at the territory at the time).

    The Palestinian people (Christian & Muslim) are the original inhabitants and hence the true descendants of Abraham who’ve learnt to speak Arabic and converted over the centuries.

    There’s no problem with a ‘Two-state Solution” – but the City of London (banksters HQs) that controls the zionist entity doesn’t want peace – it wants the entire territory for itself in its psychopathic geopolitical goal of controlling world trade, and hence, world domination by extending its borders to the R. Nile in Egypt to the R. Euphrates in Syria/Iraq and absorbing all the countries in between, viz. Eretz Y’israel.

    That’s what the rest of world powers, sans the UK-US, simply cannot allow.

  130. geokat62 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Great comment, PM.

    If you recall Trump’s recent ‘peace deal’ hilariously referred to by the US media as the “deal of the century”

    I would have mocked this so-called “deal” by calling it what it really is: the “steal of the century.”

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  131. @Art

    Tommy Thompson wrote “Is it “Islamic irredentism” to reject a state that bases itself on hyper religous exclusivity and supra-supremacy, and can temporally be demonstrated to be the source of more and continuous armed violence than any other nation state of the 20th century . . .”

    I would be ashamed to parade my ignorance as you do yours. To jog your memory of history, you should recall the actual history of the 20th century encompassing WW I and WW II. To identify Israel as the source of more violence than any other nation in the 20th century is mind boggling.

    As for history, Islam still mourns the loss of the Iberian peninsula in 1492 their doctrine teaching that any region of the earth that was ever ruled according to the tenets of Islam belongs forever according to Allah’s will to a piece of the realm of the believers. So imagine the degree of irredentism regarding Israel where the jews – the people Islam hates most – have usurped the rightful rule of Islam over Palestine. The facts that that piece of land has not been ruled by Arabs but by Turks since the Turkish conquest and that the Turkish sultanate ceased to exist at the end of WW I and that the administration of Palestine passed to the English may be safely ignored. Cet animal est très méchant. Quand on l’attaque il se défend.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  132. @RoatanBill

    You said: “There is no historical proof of a Jesus Christ.”

    There are, in fact, various historical proofs of Jesus the Prophet, who some call Christ.

    You must understand that JC was born into the Roman Empire as it existed at the time. There was even an expectation of a messiah/mashiach/savior coming, most notably by the desert sect, the Essenes (but some also claim the Theraputae 0f Egypt). Herod the Great knew about it. The Roman emperors knew about it.

    The first author outside the church to mention Jesus was the jew historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote a history of Judaism around 93.

    After Josephus were the Roman politicians Pliny and Tacitus who also wrote about him.

    Interestingly, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was a historical figure. Even, in the earliest literature of the rabbis (who hated Jesus), He was denounced as an illegitimate child of Mary and a sorcerer – professional rivalry was around even in those days!

    Even the so-called “America’s sleeping prophet” Edgar Cayce (1877 – 1945) amongst a body of work including 14,000+ readings for different people at different times, gave many confirmation of Jesus’ existence, his family constellation, the desert sect from whence he received his teachings, etc, etc.

    There’s so much information out there – quite independently of the narratives of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, it would really behoove you to do your own research.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  133. FB says: • Website
    @follyofwar

    No, what’s ‘ludicrous’ is your asinine notion that people know they will be used as cannon fodder…and they are somehow okay with that…

    In fact just the opposite is true…a lot of recruits are taken in by blatant lies about how the military is actually used…they are led to believe that it is for ‘defending’ the country…which of course is a noble undertaking that many would agree to participate in…

    Assholes like Dump [and others before him] have no right to go around doing things where ordinary folks in the military are simply led to slaughter for no good reason whatsoever, and having nothing at all to do with defending the homeland…

    Dump did everything possible to get out of military service, so did Bush Jr…but they go ahead and play with people’s lives like pawns on a game board…who believes today that it was necessary to invade Iraq or even Afghanistan…on the basis of an alleged ‘terrorist’ attack that was in fact no such thing…?

    Or the even more cynical lies about ‘weapons of mass destruction’…?

    It is a given that rank and file soldiers, sailors and airmen will be sacrificed like lambs sooner or later, on the whim of some emperor…that has been true for centuries…only we should have progressed by now, considering we are living in the age of our wonderful and ‘exceptional’ so-called ‘democracy’…

    Nobody is actually threatening the US, nor has anybody actually done so in many decades…even Hitler wasn’t a physical threat to the US…Germany had no chance of hitting the US homeland, neither did Japan…

    People today see no reason for this kind of stupid belligerence like the assassination of Soleimani, nor the continuing adventures in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc…and they demanded that politically by voting for Trump, who promised he would put an end to it…

    Yet he is doing no such thing, and in fact under his watch the needless sacrifice of the little guy in uniform continues unabated…like this latest incident terrorizing an Iranian passenger plane with F15 fighter jets, which is bound to elicit an Iranian response like they did in January…

    ‘You’re almost dying but can’t do anything about it’: Iranian plane passengers tell Ruptly about encounter with US fighter jets

  134. @Priss Factor

    Do you believe in the Holocaust priss factor, or are you sticking to the mainstream historical narrative for the purpose of simplicity. Most people with your political stance believe in some degree of revisionism, as do most of the writers showcased on this site, but I notice you often refer to the Holocaust as if you credit the official narrative entirely. I was hoping you would clarify your stance.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  135. @geokat62

    ‘I would have mocked this so-called “deal” by calling it what it really is: the “steal of the century.”’

    That would be dignifying it. The cynical charlatanism of it was beneath contempt.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  136. @Patagonia Man

    I have done my own research and my comments stand.

    The Flavians invented Jesus with Josephus’s help. It was a master stroke of propaganda to invent an entity to compete with the Jewish narrative. Your version of events is what the Flavians wanted people to believe, no more.

    • Agree: NobodyKnowsImADog
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  137. @Anonymouse

    Ann Nonny Mouse

    Why don’t you just admit you’re a racist and a zionist and you’re expressing an ethnic bigotry attempting to pass off as fact?

    So let’s go through it one by one:

    You lied: “The Nazis tried at Nuremberg were accused and convicted of committing crimes against humanity by going to war to conquer other nations.”

    In fact, at the time of the Trials, the crimes for which officers of the NSDAP (because they never referred to themselves using the pejorative ’Nazi’) were not even crimes. In international jurisprudence, its known as “a victor’s justice”.

    You lied: “They did not commence war to preserve the German nation from subjugation by another nation.”

    Recall that world Jewry declared war on Germany in 1933? Hitler was in fact an economic nationalist who sought to save the German people from the ‘enemy within’ who after WWI had strangled so many sectors of the German economy – including even the running of brothels!

    You lied: “On the other hand, Israel has been under attack by other states and groups of actors like Hizbullah since 1948.”

    Israel has attacked Palestinian people living in towns & villages using the terror groups Irgun and Lehi (see Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine) and Egypt, sought to drag the US into a war with Egypt by straffing the USS Liberty (how symbolic does it have to get?); Syria to gain control of the Golan Heights, and more recently Lebanon. Then we can start talking about the massacres – Sabra and Shatila killing 460 – 3,500 civilians, the targeted assassinations that run into the thousands, etc, etc.

    You claimed: “Whatever steps she takes to preserve her existence is morally permissable (sic)”

    Crimes against humanity, massacres. targeted assassinations, killing of unarmed protestors, disproportionate use of force, apartheid laws are not “steps” It’s murder!

    you continue: ” … indeed a moral imperative”

    is morally repugnant. FIFY!

    In fact, the President of Israel said in 2014:

    “The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society with an illness that demands treatment” – President of Israel, Reuven Rivlin

    That right may be exercised by any nation in aid of its survival.

    The right of an occupying force to defend itself from resistance fighters may be exercised by any nation. Again, FIFY!

    You playing the victim again: “To single out Israel as guilty of war crimes … may not take steps to preserve herself.”

    NOTE: the use political use of language here: “take steps” and “to preserve”???

    The IDF does not take “steps” to preserve itself – it kills unarmed civilians (who do not have a navy, an airforce, an army, or heavy weapons) to dispel protests/dissent from the original inhabitants – Muslims and Christians alike.

    In a moment of mental clarity, you correctly state: “Israel’s crime of colonial conquest of the land of others is relatively recent.” [emphasis mine]

    Then incorrectly draw the conclusion: “Other nations have conquered the land of others in recent times, …. Those were no less crimes than than that of Israel.”

    To the contrary, after WWII and the Geneva Conventions wars for land conquest were specifically banned. The other colonial settlements you mentioned were in the 1600’s & 1700’s.

    My advice? Go back to hasbara school – you’ll learn to lie more convincingly!

    And in case you’re wondering, do I hate jews? No, you are in our lives to teach us to “love our enemies”.

    But having said that, your existential nightmare is you will forever get your Karma (i.e., we reap what we sow) for killing Moses, Jesus and all the other prophets (i.e. messengers) of God – a karma from which you cannot escape!

  138. @Happy Tapir

    I believe in halfocaust. The number is probably closer to 3 million than 6 million.

    It’s a useful rule of thumb that the actual number of victims is usually half than the officially touted one. Of course, not always but quite often.

    For example, the 20 million dead under Stalinism is probably an exaggeration. The number is most likely closer to 10 million.

    And for the longest time, the number given for Katyn Massacre was 40,000. Actual number turned out to be exactly half of that: 20,000.

    It’s been said the expulsion of Ost-Germans following WWII led to 3 million deaths. Studies show the number is closer to 1.5 million.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  139. @Patagonia Man

    “…You said: “The Palestinians refuse to negotiate directly with Israel”

    Because of the pre-conditions set on any ‘peace talks’ the Palestinian people cannot accept recognizing the zionist entity as they would be agreeing to forfeit the land that they had – but the US media never tell you that…”

    If you accept negotiations, then as a basic precondition you should acccept the existence of the party you negotiate with. What are the Israelis supposed to accept? “Negotiations” with the Palestinians about how they should dissolve their state and “return to where they came from”?

    Negotiations about a territorial conflict should by its very nature be about the division of that territory.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  140. @The Real World

    I never hear anyone use the word WASP any more in regular life.

    I just saw, I don’t remember where, what site, a video of E. Michael Jones being interviewed by an Eastern Orthodox man, talking about the Jews. Jones was impressive. I may stop calling him E. Michael Fanatic. But he did mention in passing those vicious insects, the WASPs, several times.

    The W for White must be there because not all Angles and Saxons were Whites. We must definitely avoid the confusion that would be caused by calling them ASPs.

  141. @Priss Factor

    ‘I believe in halfocaust. The number is probably closer to 3 million than 6 million.

    It’s a useful rule of thumb that the actual number of victims is usually half than the officially touted one. Of course, not always but quite often…’

    You may well be right. Of course, the true number will forever remain quite unknowable.

    For myself, I’d put the number definitely north of four million. Six million remains possible, but not particularly probable.

    What’s perhaps more important is that it isn’t really all that distinguishable qualitatively from the other great slaughters of the Second World War: the deliberate Russian butchery of the populations of East Prussia and Silesia, the German extermination of the Red Army P.O.W’s in 1941, the RAF’s terror-bombing campaign of 1943-45, the Japanese atrocities in China. Apologies to anyone whose pet war crime was omitted.

    Certainly various fine distinctions can be made — but I doubt very much if they meant much to the victims.

    I really can’t buy into this unique need to genuflect in particular to the Jewish dead of World War Two. The more so as it has been put to an utterly spurious use.

    The argument is always …and so we should support Israel.

    Fuck off.

  142. dimples says:
    @Anon

    This. I would love to see the US, Israel and some European countries like France and UK b

    No ‘This’ please. It’s unnecessary and stupid.

  143. @Franklin Ryckaert

    ‘Negotiations about a territorial conflict should by its very nature be about the division of that territory.’

    Happily, all the way back in 1947, the then-nascent state of Israel accepted the UN declaration awarding it 55% of Palestine, with due respect for the civil and property rights of the Palestinians residing therein.

    So Israel can withdraw to the borders it accepted, and return the property it illegally seized to its rightful owners.

    Then we can progress from that point. There’s no sense in attempting to negotiate with somebody who simply ignores the commitments he already made.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  144. Anon[361] • Disclaimer says:

    So now blaming Russia for everything is a Trump ploy. Like, Trump faked Russiagate so he could attack Russia.
    Has Mr Giraldi retired from the CIA yet?

  145. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @RoatanBill

    You dated USA/ZOG’s war crimes as a “from Vietnam onward” phenomenon.

    A few of us pointed out USA/ZOG’g war crimes from the Jew’s Bad War.

    You pointed out the pagan Peloponnesian Wars.

    Your own observation underscores my point, the satanic depravity and unmitigated bloodlust of war since the Protestant Deformation’s fratricidal departure from Catholic principles as expressed by St. Thomas Aquinas (see my post above https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/war-crimes-and-war-criminals-who-will-be-held-accountable/#comment-4056609).

    Mind you, I make no claim for impeccability or a total absence of horrors, but the abjuration of Catholic principles of just war has resulted in (((wars, revolutions, and democide))) surpassing anything in Christendom. In a single century the death toll perpetrated by Satan’s Select surpassed all centuries of Christendom, Islam, and paganism combined. http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html

    THAT is my point.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  146. sally says:
    @Anon

    No, it is not reasonable to suggest that the United States has been guilty of many war crimes;neither it is reasonable to claim that America, Israel, or anywhere else is guilty of anything. ..

    Crimes of any type, are committed by human beings. Too often the guilty get off because they did there acts in the name of, or under the protection of, some institution, nation state, intelligence agency or some kind of entity. These non living entities cannot do crimes.

    Nations cannot act, cannot think, cannot commit crimes.. Crimes are committed by human living people. Government often fines Major corporations for acts its people commit, but the guilty person did not pay the fine or take the rap, instead the stockholders were forced to pay, one way or another.

    The great cover up, the nation state pays the fine, the guilty person avoids jail.

    It is unreasonable and unacceptable to charge a non living person with a crime. .it is unreasonable to allow the non living person to pay the fine. if the crime is knowingly making defective aircraft, everyone involved in that design should be charged with the crime of enabled genocide. It is unreasonable that the citizens of a nation should be taxed to pay for war crimes the human leaders of the nation state are guilty of all persons in government, industry or anywhere, connected to such a crime should be made to pay the fine and serve the time. It is unreasonable to fail to charge the individuals in a corporation, partnership, trust, military or other entity who actually committed the crime and unreasonable for a prosecutor not to prosecute such a crime. Whether the crime is failing to cut the grass or mass murder (genocide) only the living human persons who planned, had knowledge about, and who committed the crime should be charged with a crime.

  147. Art says:
    @Anonymouse

    To identify Israel as the source of more violence than any other nation in the 20th century is mind boggling.

    How about the 21st century?

    How about 9/11 and what followed?

    Hands down it is the apartheid Jewish State of Israel.

  148. @Anonymouse

    ‘…On the other hand, Israel has been under attack by other states and groups of actors like Hizbullah since 1948. Whatever steps she takes to preserve her existence is morally permissable, indeed a moral imperative…’

    Except none of that’s true. The only war Israel fought that was even arguably defensive was in 1973 — and even that was only to ‘defend’ land that she’d seized only six years earlier.

  149. @Anonymouse

    ‘… To identify Israel as the source of more violence than any other nation in the 20th century is mind boggling…”

    Oh, I dunno about that. In the seventy two years of its existence, the mighty mite — a nation the size of Togo, or Honduras — has attacked Tunisia, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran. That’s an expanse of about two thousand miles. Israel has — uniquely, in modern history — attacked every single one of its neighbors. Even Hitler and Stalin couldn’t quite match that.

    So, pretty impressive. Certainly, pound for pound, no one else is even close.

  150. @Colin Wright

    But did the Arabs accept it then? And what happened next?

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  151. @RoatanBill

    They don’t have to portray the overlords as different colors because they are the same. Their subjects are not. That’s the point.

    10 cops vs. 1000 individual dissidents. Who will win?
    The cops, because they arrest them one at a time. Overall, cops are outnumbered, but in each confrontation they outnumber their opponents. 1000 dissidents on a team will easily crush them, but do you see any teams around?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  152. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Shlomo Ben-Ami is on record saying that, at Taba, Israel and the PA were within a hair’s breadth of reaching a settlement to the conflict amenable to both parties. He also revealed that it was the Israeli public who militated against the deal, causing negotiations to fail. He certainly wasn’t so foolish as to blame Arafat, whose organization had acknowledged Israel as a nation-state long before the Taba talks.

    But you appear to be quite unfamiliar with international law. There is no such thing as a “right to exist” therein; there is only a people’s right to self-determination, one which Israel, being the occupying power of Palestine, is obliged to honor with respect to Palestinians. Palestinians, being the party subject to Israel’s occupation, are under no such legal obligation toward Israel, particularly since Israel refuses to establish internationally acknowledged boundaries.

    The ball has been in Israel’s court for well over half a century, but they’ve done a good job hoodwinking quite a few folks into imagining otherwise.

    Case in point: Franklin Ryckaert.

  153. skrik says:
    @Anonymouse

    You speak of Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians

    Not me I don’t; kindly read what I wrote, namely:

    ethnic cleansing’ … actually carried out by genocidal methods

    Your cynical attempt at crime-minimisation is exactly equivalent to you asserting something like: The Zionists are not that bad, they are not trying to murder all Palestinians, just enough to drive the rest off their ancestral lands. Let me put that, another way:
    {genocide
    noun the deliberate killing of a very large number of people from a particular ethnic group or nation}
    Do you dare deny that’s not what Zionists in Israel are doing? What’s your definition of “a very large number?” Would this do:

    During and after the [Deir Yassin massacre], at least 107 Palestinians were killed, including women and children – some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes

    You:

    All regimes are subject to that accusation

    No, and you are going off-topic; we will not entertain any “tu quoque” fallacies here.

    Now

    You are feeding on an intoxicating hatred

    How very modern of you, a slight-of-hand way of accusing somebody of a hate crime! Well, I propose a theory about Jews and hate; when we talk about Zionist crimes against Palestinians, the perpetrators have deliberately put themselves into a dilemma = pretending to be good whilst actually doing crime, and “not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime” at that. So such Jews accuse their critics of hating them, to justify the hateful things they themselves do [like stealing Palestinian land by genocidal methods, say – looping]. The only problem for such Jews is that any person of normal intelligence can observe the murdering, land-stealing Zionists’ guilt. That’s not hate, mate, that’s merely a normal call for justice. Kindly note my dispassionate discourse.

  154. @RoatanBill

    Still scrambling to utter irrelevacy (with respect to anything you are purporting to reply to) rather than try and focus your fissiparous thinking on relevant facts.

    I was well aware of Rothschild money being critical in the early stages of Jewish settlement in Ottoman Palestine though I didn’t realise it was mostly the French Edmond de Rothschild. But so what? What do you think you are replying to?

    And what is your point about the Balfour Declaration which promised nothing and was carefully negotiated to say just enough to make Jews who had helped get America into the war not to feel dudded?

    Nor did the Brits turn over anything to the Jewish terrorist organisations. They simply got out as quickly as possible and it was the successors to the armed terrorists who grabbed what they could and drove many Palestinians out. Not glorious but then Britain was too weak to go on ruling effectively in land where both main populations hated them, or at least would kill their soldiers and civil servants.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  155. skrik says:
    @anarchyst

    Thank you for your critique, even if a bit OT. Then

    The Nuremberg trials are a very poor example to use in handling “problem israel”

    is not what I meant by citing Nuremberg = in general, but rather Nuremberg in particular = its mention of aggressive war [“essentially an evil thing”], which one could define as crossing a border inbound bearing arms with intent to murder/steal. [Note that this is no Zionist monopoly, the US has been doing it to a squillion countries since WW2.]

    From a bystander: The Palestinians meant nothing in the Great Power machinations. They’ve been screwed for a long time. Way past time justice was done for them. rgds

    PS Then there’s the ‘false pretences’ of self-converted to Judaism Khazars wandering in from the steppes north of the Caucasus passing themselves off as descendants of dispersed Hebrews. Now that’s what we could call “fakery!”

    • Agree: anarchyst
  156. @AnonFromTN

    African “strongmen” are being held responsible by the Hague war tribunal…. and a few former Yugoslavian men as well…..

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  157. The super rich and absolutely powerful have scapegoats they hold responsible for their endless crimes. Goes with the territory.

  158. Moi says:
    @Colin Wright

    Nah, you are so much better suited for that (being among the Exceptional ones).

  159. @RoatanBill

    Your comments “stand” on a conspiracy of historians who traverse centuries!

    Good luck with that!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  160. @AnonStarter

    There may be no “right to exist” in international law, but if two parties in a conflict want to engage in negotiations they would do well by recognizing their opponent’s right to exist. Negotiations are meant to reach a compromise, not to defeat the opponent by other means. The amount and shape of each others territory, its borders and mutual relations should all be the subject of negotiations and not of preconditions of negotiations. Netanyahu invites Mahmoud Abbas to direct negotiations all the time, why does he not accept that?

  161. @Franklin Ryckaert

    You said: “The amount and shape of each others territory, its borders and mutual relations should all be the subject of negotiations and not of preconditions of negotiations.” [emphasis mine]

    You seem to be missing the point. Its the zionist entity who imposes the preconditions – not the other way round. They impose the preconditions that they know the Palestinian people cannot accept because they don’t want peace – they don’t want a Two-State Solution – they want all the territory for themselves.

    Also, you’re confusing the term “right to exist” in the physical sense with the “right to exist” in a legal sense.

    The UN General Assembly voted down the Partition by a 2/3 majority. The Brits vacated their former Mandate, the zionist terror groups Irgun and Lehi killed Palestinians (who’d been living there for millennia) and razed to the ground hundreds of Palestinian towns and villages to occupy the territory – and 14 minutes after the declaration of independence was made by Ben Gurion (I think?) the US President Truman announced the US’s recognition of the “State of Israel”.

    In other words, from the point of view of international jurisprudence, due process was not followed. And its in THAT sense that the Palestinian people, quite correctly state, that the geopolitical entity called “Israel” doesn’t have “the legal right to exist.” And that’s THE precondition the zionist entity imposes on all negotiations with the Palestinian people.

    But of course, the cunning zionists (who are expert at controlling the Overton window, aka the window of discourse) have conflated the two!

    Now do you ‘get’ it?

  162. @Wizard of Oz

    Rothschild’s money and the Balfour Declaration show clear interest in establishing a state for the Jews, in my opinion. YMMV.

    The Brits left the area and by doing so handed it over to the Haganah, Irgun and Stern Gang terrorists who successfully fought a terror campaign even against the Brits. To me, this lack of dealing with the terrorists that fought against the Brits themselves shows that the higher ups told the military to leave and the military followed orders. Had it been a military decision, they would have rounded up the terrorists for attacking British troops and British interests.

    In my opinion, the British Gov’t chose to ignore the terrorism against their side to aid in the establishment of Israel just like the US decided to ignore the USS Liberty incident to favor Israel instead of US personnel.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  163. @Patagonia Man

    Furthermore Franklin, you do of course realize that all of this confusion to muddy the waters doesn’t happen by accident – it’s quite deliberate to confuse the goyim, so we don’t take enough of an interest in it – don’t you?

  164. @NobodyKnowsImADog

    Cops have been told to stand down in many instances. They are therefore irrelevant in those instances. Your observation that cops arrest people one at a time is valid, but the cops aren’t going to be the only ones facing off with the rioters when things get serious. So far, this is just theater in the greater scheme of things. It’s for effect more than the actual damage caused. Admittedly, the business owners and others who have had their property destroyed see it as a major catastrophe but that’s from their narrow perspective.

    The ‘teams’ will consist of average people armed to protect themselves and property. This has already happened as neighbors got together in the smaller enclaves to tell BLM they aren’t welcome while holding long guns to punctuate the message. Had the BLM types decided to ignore the warning, they would doubtless have been shot. Sooner or later, the rioters will hit the wrong site and a guy with a shotgun will reply through the same hole the brick was hurled through. That would elevate the situation nationwide just like the Koreans protecting their property sent a message city wide during the Rodney King mayhem.

    As the country gets more and more divided while sinking into a clearly identifiable economic depression, the dots are going to get less and less pliable against their as yet unrecognized real enemy – gov’t. When gov’t agents try to force more and more people into allowing the rioters to have their way, they will eventually resist the notion that what gov’t says is always the thing to do. As the public’s attitude changes towards the facilitators of the rioting, namely the gov’t, the dots will finally understand that gov’t is the overarching problem and respond accordingly.

    This may produce a martial law situation. At that point when all the dots are on one side and the gov’t, not the rioters, on the other is when the SHTF.

  165. @Al Liguori

    I’m sorry, but I’m unable to discern the thrust of your message as it’s enveloped in some christian word salad. When people start throwing ‘satanic’ around along with reference to saints, I’m no longer able to respond because I don’t believe in all that shit.

    If you could extricate yourself from the fantasy world of religion and spiritualism I might be able to comprehend your intent.

  166. skrik says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    ‘Scuse, pliz?

    if two parties in a conflict want to engage in negotiations

    What, exactly, is there to negotiate? One side has all the guns, most of the ground, all illegitimately. The other side is staring down an annihilation slope, mostly innocently.

    Q: What would the former relinquish? A: On form, nothing.

    Q: What could the latter offer? A: Ditto = also nothing – except to ‘allow’ inroads into their patrimony = a downslope, repeat annihilation.

    IMHO, any ‘acceptable solution’ will have to be imposed from outside along the lines of my RoR+R*3 suggestion, any ‘two-state’ solution is now as impossible as it always was. That leaves a ‘one-state’ solution, a) *without* Pals = what Zs ‘want’ = totally unjust OR b) *with* returned/recompensed Pals and Jews on an equal-status citizenship OR c) *without* Jews = Zs to vacate, actually the most just.

    MPWA = Make Palestine whole again! rgds

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  167. @Patagonia Man

    And your “stand” is based upon a conspiracy of religious loonies over centuries. You provided a bit of evidence that strongly suggests that JC is myth. If some messiah came down to part the Red Sea, multiply fish and rise from the dead, wouldn’t it make sense that that person would be at least as famous in his day as the Kardashians are today?

    Why would there be no mention of a JC for decades? I’ll tell you why – the guy that made him up hadn’t thought of it yet. That would be Flavius Josephus as the inventor of christianity as a political ploy for his masters Vespasian and Titus Flavius.

    Candidly, I couldn’t care less if JC was real or made up. The imbecility of associating everything not understood in any given time period to some god of this or that was somewhat understandable when man was far more ignorant than man is today. The priests and gov’t officials needed a god that they represented to keep the shallow thinkers in line.

    That anyone could possibly still hold on to this ridiculous notion today speaks volumes about how stump stupid most people are. That’s why gov’t is seen as necessary, despite mountains of empirical evidence that it is the cause of the greatest number of deaths and is the largest thief in any given time period. It’s why some asshat pope sits in a palace in his own country while defrauding millions of ‘believers’ in utter nonsense.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  168. @AnonStarter

    Reaching a settlement with Israel … LOL! Good luck with that. It’s the cancer of the Middle East. Nothing worth negotiating with them about. I guess the Palestinians do it to show the international community that they have some good will but surely know it’s all pointless.

  169. @Sya Beerens

    African “strongmen” are being held responsible by the Hague war tribunal…. and a few former Yugoslavian men as well…..

    My point exactly. Minnows are held accountable, sharks are not.

    • Agree: Sya Beerens
  170. geokat62 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    The UN General Assembly voted down the Partition by a 2/3 majority.

    Hey, PM. I was surprised to read the above.

    So, I did a search and found this:

    The proposal to partition Palestine, based on a modified version of the UNSCOP majority report, was put to a General Assembly vote on November 29, 1947. The fate of the proposal was initially uncertain, but, after a period of intense lobbying by pro-Jewish groups and individuals, the resolution was passed with 33 votes in favour, 13 against, and 10 abstentions.

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

    … am I missing something?

  171. @Patagonia Man

    Stricktly speaking Israel’s birth may have been “illegal”, it has been recognized as of december 2019 by 162 of the 193 members of the UN. If that is not important enough for you, the UN itself has recognized Israel by accepting it as one of its members on 11 May 1949. I don’t know what you mean with “legal”, but that seems pretty legal to me, if you mean with legal the recognition as such by a generally accepted legality granting body. All UN resolutions about Israel are about its behavior, not its existence.

    If the Palestinians want negotiations, not about the partition of territory, but about the existence of Israel itself, then small wonder that leads nowhere. A jihad against Israel the Palestinians can never win. So if they want to gain anything, only negotiations remain. The longer they postpone, the less likely it becomes they will get anything.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Sya Beerens
  172. @skrik

    “Making Palestine Whole Again” by accepting all Palestinians classified as “refugees” by UNRWA would mean the end of Israel (but that is exactly the purpose of such a proposal). There were 711,000 Palestinians who were expelled or fled in 1948. Of those an estimated 30,000 – 50,000 are still alive today. The rest are their descendants (of the second, third, fourth and even fifth generation!), together some 5 million people. How strange the Israelis don’t accept such a “peace proposal”.

    • Replies: @skrik
  173. @Franklin Ryckaert

    There may be no “right to exist” in international law, but if two parties in a conflict want to engage in negotiations they would do well by recognizing their opponent’s right to exist.

    You’re rather missing the point.

    Sure, they can reach an agreement between themselves, but this ignores the basic fact that, by internationally recognized standards, Israel is the party responsible for honoring the Palestinian right to self-determination, not the other way around. You seem to imagine the parties are equally offensive, which is absurd on its face. Nobody who understands the situation on the ground would ever make this assessment.

    Netanyahu invites Mahmoud Abbas to direct negotiations all the time, why does he not accept that?

    Are you aware that those negotiations are predicated upon concrete proposals, and that the latest proposal is the vaunted “Deal of the Century,” a rewarmed 40 year-old plan that continues to deprive Palestinians of political sovereignty?

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/11/trump-middle-east-peace-plan-isnt-new-israeli-palestinian-drobles/

    How can you seriously suggest that such a proposal demonstrates good faith in negotiation on behalf of Israel?

    • Thanks: Patagonia Man
  174. skrik says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    the UN itself has recognized Israel by accepting it as one of its members on 11 May 1949

    Quote from UNGA273:

    “Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it “unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a member of the United Nations, …”
    Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947 and 11 December 1948 and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representative of the Government of Israel before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions, …”

    Such “declarations by the State of Israel” are fraudulent; Israel stands in violation of something in the region of 100+ UN resolutions, beginning with 181 and 194, specifically mentioned as prerequisites to 273. It’s a bit like this JFK quote:

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

    Suggested task: Rewrite this JFK along the lines of:

    “Those who live by the sword will die by the sword.”

    IMHO, only the mental crippled would try to ‘deal’ with Israel, as it stands, the Palestinians have the *priceless* ‘high moral ground’, something the Jews a) permanently lack [by their character] and b) could not even buy – despite having their hands on the $US money-spigot [by their greed + coercion].

    A thesis: Israel has nothing to offer Palestinians except justice [RoR+R*3, say], which all Zionists and their hasbarats would rather die than grant the thinnest sliver thereof. A proof is the current standoff, now for over 73 years with no conceivable end in sight. At the same time, the visible majority of Jews seem to accept the attached opprobrium = no, Virginia, there is no hope of justice for Palestinians = nothing to negotiate.

  175. @Chris Moore

    I guess you’re pissed you never laid a glove on me. Poor dear.

    Show me where I initiated name calling. Also, show me where I’m hypocritical.

    As far as being a moral coward is concerned, not wanting to murder people I’d say is very moral. You’re position on the other hand is disgusting. You believe in the ‘Domino Theory’, I take it. The world is supposed to be made safe from whom ever you decide is the bad guy and as such needs to be throttled. That’s a bully’s mentality. Typical of a Donald Rumsfeld or Henry Kissinger.

    Now face it – you can’t stand up to someone throwing your shit back at you.

  176. skrik says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Have you read this section of UNGA194?

    11.Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible; Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations

    By Israel’s acceptance of 194, they ‘bought into’ solving the refugee problems Israel created, only fair.

    It’s like the ‘pottery barn’ rule: Israel broke it, Israel must fix it.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  177. @anarchyst

    Now I’m going to show you how ignorant you are.

    You said:
    You statement: There hasn’t been a single military adventure starting with Vietnam that was a legitimate response in a defensive manner. is incorrect.

    Can you not read? starting with Vietnam was in my statement and you even repeated it. To the best of my knowledge, the world wars occurred before Vietnam. Therefore, I was correct and you are in error, as usual.

    Stating I’m full of shit in one of your earlier missives and making up some nonsense about me shows someone of limited intellect commensurate with you abysmal writing ability. It is you should come back when you’ve grown into long pants to deal with adults.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  178. AaronB says:

    Eh, Israel exists. It ain’t going anywhere. Its stronger than ever. Richer than ever. Great, fun place.

    The Muslim world is not a serious competitor anymore, if it ever was.

    All these discussions are so academic and abstract.

    People here are discussing whether Israel has the right to exist, lol, while millions of Israelis are busy working, playing, living, and very much existing.

    They’re not going anywhere.

    In the year 2150 Israel will be a high-tech regional superpower covering half the region and Islam will be a distant memory, and there will still be angry people living in basements talking on internet boards about Israel’s “right to exist” lol 🙂

    Now its lunchtime for me here in Brooklyn. I’m going to go to my favourite Israeli restaurant and get some amazing humus Israeli-style with some minced lamb and pine nuts in the middle, with thick freshly baked pita bread, and when I come back, I expect to see you guys have solved peace in the Middle East 🙂

  179. @Colin Wright

    Of course, Nazi Germany or the Taliban regime in Afghanistan become equally defensible and worthy of support.

    I’ll grant Israel is in some sense as legitimate as those states.
    ————————————————————-
    False equivalencies.

    NS Germany represented the German people. Hitler had a 99.7% approval rate due to his economic reforms. The Taliban will reclaim power and then, after having had it for a reasonable period, can then be evaluated.

    Israel has only the legitimacy of the American guns that have backed it from the beginning.
    Very few people would credit Israel as legitimate at this point.

    • Replies: @Sya Beerens
  180. anon[338] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel’s right to exist is like Hitler’s right to have a holocaust. If your state’s existence requires systematic and widespread forcible population transfer, murder, torture, and extermination, you too will deservedly wind up in a bunker with your bride and a 9MM and a jerry can of gasoline. You too will get your cities firebombed and your nuts squashed.

    Israel is not a sovereign state. It does not interpret its human rights commitments and obligations in good faith and it has failed to protect humans under its control from the gravest crimes. Fuck Israel. It’s time to shitcan this criminal enterprise that wraps itself in the tallit.

  181. anarchyst says:
    @RoatanBill

    Rotan Bill Grow up!

    It appears that your mental illness is getting the best of you…

    GFY

  182. Derer says:
    @Realist

    Are you suggesting the D party of “cigar” Clinton. That war criminal together with criminal Blair raped Serbia, in their fight against foreign Muslim mercenaries. For that, Milosevic was sent to Hague and the real criminals are freely walking streets. Then there was senile Albright and Lieberman who said this stupidity: “Fighting for the KLA (Europe’s terrorist organization) is fighting for human rights and American values”, are walking freely streets without straight jackets.

    • Replies: @Realist
  183. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Blabla blabla anyways, IS it legal to torture children too?

  184. Realist says:
    @Derer

    I am saying that both parties are two sides of the Deep State coin…they both do as they are told.
    Both are culpable.

  185. @AaronB

    Stop torturing children delusional hobo.

    • LOL: FB
  186. @geokat62

    Hi Geo,

    I haven’t looked at this for a no. of years now – and can’t remember the reference. I can remember being surprised at a vote – and the Resolution still getting up. I’m under the impressions (going from memory) that there were two votes.

    I was aware that there was a period of “intense lobbying” and so I think I was referring to the first vote.

    The “intense lobbying”, by the way, was actually behind the scenes in the sense of a form of bribery: quid pro quo’s for countries’ UN ambassadors if they voted as the Rothschilds wanted them to vote.

    Those numbers you’ve quoted: “passed with 33 votes in favour, 13 against, and 10 abstentions” are correct.

    Apologies if I’ve misled.

    Cheers!

    P.S. Maybe that second vote was a Security Council vote as opposed to the UNGA vote, idk?

  187. @AaronB

    See my comment to Franklin re: the distinction between the “legal right to exist” and the “physical right to exist”.

    When the Arab/Muslim and international jurisprudents claim that the “State of Israel” doesn’t have a “right to exist” – they’re speaking in the physical sense. people, altho’ that’s often distorted into meaning in the physical by the zionists.

    Btw, the tragedy of all of this is the biblical “Israel” is a spiritual term, i.e., a body of followers/believers –not a block of real estate on the Mediterranean.

    As has been said by another:

    “God is not a real estate agent.”

    … and as has been said by Jewish thinker, Norman Finkelstein:

    “Zionists don’t believe in God, but they do believe he gave them Palestine.”

    Furthermore, if anyone still insists on a literal interpretation, there’s one biblical reference, (Genesis 15:18) to the Promised Land (Eretz Y’israel) as being from the R. Nile to the great river, the R. Euphrates – but there are another 17 references to the Promised Land as being:

    “from Dan to Beersheba”

    • Replies: @AaronB
  188. @skrik

    Excellent point!

    But the reality today is the Palestinian refugees (whose families have lived in the territory for millennia) are still not permitted the Right of Return – but American jews who have lived in jewish neighborhoods in the US all of their lives – and have never set foot in the zionist entity – are allowed to migrate!

    How is that fair? How is that just? How does that lead to peace?

    Its the gross injustice of the apartheid state that gets under most thinking people’s skin.

  189. AaronB says:
    @Patagonia Man

    In biblical Hebrew its called the Land of Israel, so I think the most logical thing is to call it Israel – which is both a spiritual concept and the physical space where that physical concept can be lived.

    Israelis often refer to their country simply as “the Land” – there is even a newspaper, Haaretz, which means the Land.

    But really, this whole discussion is so academic. In fifty, a hundred, two hundred years from now, Israel will still exist, and no one will be talking about its right to do so.

    I think you guys have maybe five or ten more years where you can still have this silly conversation.

    The larger land of Israel, from the Nile to the Euphrates, is only supposed to come in messianic times, btw, not before.

  190. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    In the year 2150 Israel will be a high-tech regional superpower covering half the region and Islam will be a distant memory, and there will still be angry people living in basements talking on internet boards about Israel’s “right to exist” lol

    That’s completely delusional…

    Israel has big, big problems…which all started by its original sin of seizing land that already belonged to other people, and kicking out those folks from their homes and farms…

    Over 700,000 of them…

    Things might have still turned out okay, had it not been for Israel then seizing the occupied territories and millions more Arabs living there…those land seizures are illegal under international law and have been codified as such by the supreme authority of the United Nations Security Council…

    That is the supreme international law, and if anyone thinks that this is simply going to melt away like a snowflake in the sun then they are living in disneyland…the only reason Israel has been able to thumb its nose and remain planted in those occupied territories is because the US allows it…probably due to the considerable political influence of Jews in the US power structure…

    But, in case you haven’t noticed, the US is looking more and more to be on quite shaky ground, and perhaps heading for Davy Jones’ Locker, much as the Soviet Union did…at the very least, America’s relative power in the world is steadily declining…at some point, the problem of Israel is going to have to be settled equitably and justly…

    And it’s not going to be what fools like you dream of, a huge Israel straddling half the Middle East, from Nile to Euphrates…it’s going to mean pulling out of those occupied territories and back into its recognized pre-1967 borders…

    I notice that the so-called one-state solution is being pushed by Jewish right wingers who see this as a tricky way for Israel to gain those territories, but unfortunately, this too is a pipe dream because the Palestinians will never accept this…no Palestinians support this, only Jews that pretend to be pro-Palestinian [there are a couple of these on this website]…

    The only viable solution from the Palestinian point of view would be an Arab state in which Europeans immigrants would have second class status.

    … As of 2019, Palestinians are not in favor of a binational state [one-state solution.

    The Jews meanwhile see the one-state solution as just the opposite, with the Arabs as the underclass and Israel remaining a Jewish state…so clearly the twain shall never meet…

    Bottom line is the Arabs are very patient, and they outnumber Jews by a huge margin…their countries are developing and gaining ground in terms of relative influence in world affairs, even as Israel’s champion, the US, is going in the opposite direction…

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @skrik
  191. AaronB says:
    @FB

    I don’t know. I just have a feeling that in 150 years from now, Israel will be stronger than ever, and the Arab/Muslim world will continue to decline.

    I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. In the meantime, you just gotta live day by day – and life in Israel is great on so many levels. The future will just have to take care of itself.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  192. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Balance of power can change. Anyway, last time round the IDF didn’t do well even just against some Leb militia. Without US at it’s back and the Europeans who supplied it with weapons Israel would be nothing. Even those early wars they won by surprise attacks using French Mirages.

  193. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Jews already own and control the West so there is no legitimate reason for them to also have this little fortress state in the middle of Muslim Arab region. The illegitimate reasons are: safe haven for their international criminals, a base from which to bully neighbours and steal more land, to fulfill the messiahanic prophesies of their lunatic religious fanatics.

  194. skrik says:

    it’s going to mean pulling out of those occupied territories and back into its recognized pre-1967 borders…

    Err, any reason for suggesting “pre-1967 borders?” AFAIK, there’s no such thing; there is a so-called ‘green line’ which arose from a cease-fire:

    The Green Line was intended as a demarcation line rather than a permanent border. The 1949 Armistice Agreements were clear … that they were not creating permanent borders

    Also AFAIK, there’s no ‘land ownership’ per se, in the [mostly stolen] lands administered by the rogue-regime illegally occupying large parts of what we might term ‘pre-Herzl Palestine;’ this is presumably because the land-thieves have not been able to establish any ‘legal bridge’ between the original native erstwhile legal owner/occupiers = ELO/Os’ land titles and the current squatters. In any case, IF we wish to suggest a replacement for a totally unfair system THEN we should do a proper job, yes?

    The time has come
    To say fair’s fair
    To pay the rent
    To pay our share

    The time has come
    A fact’s a fact
    It belongs to them
    Let’s *give it back*

    Seems to me that’d be a just way to go [as in my RoR+R*3 suggestion], itself based on UNGA194.11, see above. UNGA181 was never even considered by the UNSC so is not and never was ‘the law.’ I suggest a return to the LN Mandate borders [yes, a single, sovereign state!] i.e. before ‘the troubles’ [= Zionist invasion], restore all land to its legal owners [heirs & successors] = *Revest*. Then, as a mandated territory, it could grant citizenship to all *bona fide* claimants and become “neoPalestine” – or some such. Established buildings would stand on ‘traditional owners’ properties, those owners would have the rights to charge fair rents [cities] or eject any ‘squatters’ considered to be outright illegal occupiers [out in ‘the sticks,’ say] i.e. ELO/Os’ farmlands and olive-groves, say. Voila! Problem solved, and a just peace may reign, also in bordering neighbour lands. After all, it’s only what a civilised world could do, should, do; a real win-win. rgds

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @FB
  195. skrik says:
    @FB

    Kindly see my “Let’s *give it back*” post, I should have linked it to you. rgds

  196. FB says: • Website
    @skrik

    Well…I’ve gone over this before on this website with others who have similar notions about the pre-’67 borders not actually being valid…so I don’t want to get into that again because the people who say this are simply uninformed…

    The fact is that there are several UNSC resolutions demanding that Israel pull back from those occupied territories…that in itself is an implicit recognition of those borders…also the fact that Israel is a UN member, unlike say Kosovo, which declared its ‘independence’ and was recognized by a lot of countries, but legally does not exist…not even on maps…

    Israel does exist and was recognized by the permanent members of the UNSC, got its UN seat decades ago etc…

    So it is silly to talk about Israel disappearing…that’s not going to happen and there is no legal basis for it…

    There is also the moral question…there are now several generations of Israelis born there and that is their home…you can’t now uproot those people because then you will be doing the same as the Jews did to the Arabs in 1948…

    The Jews did get that broad support from all the major powers after WW2 because of the truly inhuman genocide they suffered…that sympathy held for a long time, especially when the Arabs were quite belligerent and used acts of terrorism on urban centers etc…that was why Israel’s violence was tolerated, and there was some legitimacy to that…you can’t go around blowing up people on buses and things like that…

    But Israel has now thoroughly worn out all sympathy from everybody…there is no country on earth that hasn’t had their fill of Israeli brutality and impunity…it is just excessive at this point, and has been for quite a while…in the same way that folks got fed up with the brutality of Apartheid South Africa…

    Pretty much everybody is now squarely on the side of the Palestinians because this crime has been going on so long now that it is totally inexcusable…there can be no Israeli settlements in the West Bank and all those Jews that have settled there are going to have to leave…that’s just how it’s going to be…

    Like I said already, the world is turning to multipolarity, and US power is declining…we have seen in Syria that the US plan for violently overthrowing the legitimate Syrian government has been stopped dead in its tracks…that is a big shift in the wind, and it is only going to get worse for the US and its crumbling empire…even Iran can stand up to US bullying now and all the US can do is huff and puff…

    The day will come when the US simply will not be able to afford to keep Israel as its bastion…and that day may not be too far off…when the US disengages in order to face its own problems, the Israelis will have to come to terms with the situation and with international pressure…

    Jews are pragmatic people and will give up their dream of a Greater Israel and learn to live peaceably with their neighbors…simple as that…but to dream about wiping Israel off the map is ridiculous…the real world doesn’t work that way…

    • Replies: @skrik
  197. skrik says:
    @FB

    but to dream about wiping Israel off the map is ridiculous

    Way to go! [If your intention is to alienate this particular ‘correspondent.’] Kindly [carefully] read what I wrote; I did not suggest the ‘death’ of Israel, rather the ‘resurrection’ of Palestine. Many hasbarats screech ‘compromise!’ – Meaning only ever the Pals, never the Jews. Take my “neoPalestine;” both invaders [plus descendants] and ‘displaced’ natives [see original native erstwhile legal owner/occupiers = ELO/Os, add heirs and successors], could live ‘cheek by jowl’ together in peace, if/when *both* sides could compromise = agree. Recall ‘Solomon’s justice;’ it’s not necessary to ‘cut the baby in half.’ rgds

    PS You may well be ‘for’ pre-67 borders [opinion as a ‘right’], but if so then I expect you have a ‘killer’ argument, why not give it? My own argument is to return to basics; the ‘wandering Jews’ have no claim on Palestine apart from a pseudo-religious yearning, then see my ‘Khazar’ posit. The bits the invading Jews did not legally purchase should revert to their previous, legal owners = *revest*. The pre-Herzl [= 100’s of years native] residents with their own valid = more concrete yearnings should have priority [again by ‘right’]; a carefully handled ‘neoPalestine’ could satisfy both parties. Perhaps try ‘PalZiostine?’

    • Replies: @FB
  198. FB says: • Website
    @skrik

    Well…I see I am getting the same kind of nonsensical feedback as last time I went through this with another commenter…

    Your idea of a ‘neo Palestine’ is completely unrealistic on every level…how do you suppose the Jews are going to give up their Jewish state…?

    They’re not ever ever going to do that…

    And if you are proposing some kind of ‘one state’ solution, like some Jewish right wingers on this website, then the Palestinians are never going to accept that because they know that is just annexation on the sly…they will never get full political rights and will simply be a legal underclass like the blacks in South Africa…they also know that such a ‘solution’ means that the Jewish settlers in the West Bank will get to stay on their stolen land…

    Who is going to give the title holders of that land back to its rightful owners…?

    On the other hand, the Palestinians are completely willing to accept the West Bank and Gaza in full, but they will not yield even one inch…and international law is on their side…Israel is not entitled to one inch more than its 1967 borders…

    There is no point discussing further…if you don’t understand that your idea is complete fantasy then I suggest you start applying your mental faculties to this problem…

    • Replies: @skrik
  199. @AaronB

    Israel is the Arabs’ misfortune! All those wars. So many countries destroyed. All those refugees. For what? Oil and Israel.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  200. skrik says:
    @FB

    how do you suppose the Jews are going to give up their Jewish state…?

    Right after the US stops paying the Zs’ bills, that about 1 pico-sec after the $US crashes to near-zero value, which will occur 1 pico-sec after Russia and China together ‘blow the whistle.’

    You approach ‘reality’ with your

    Israel is not entitled to one inch more than its 1967 borders

    so why not open your mind to innovation = some countervailing remedy?

    Might does not make right, it only temporarily may look like it. The Pals’ claim on Palestine [they own most of it, then see UNSC242 = inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by war] has priority over the Jews’ thieving pseudo-religious fantasies.

    Past time to call a spade a bloody shovel.

    IMHO, the world can no longer tolerate the Zios’ ‘murder for spoil,’ just as it cannot tolerate the US’ crazy depredations; there has to be some ‘rational’ – and permanent – solution.

    OR: Should the world just roll over and be continuously raped by US/Zs? rgds

  201. @Commentator Mike

    I see where you’re coming from, but let’s look at it another way …

    Israel provides an opportunity for Muslims to recalibrate and reorder their affairs. It didn’t get there overnight, and neither will Muslims.

    Even the cloud that is Israel has a silver lining. We may not live to see the change we’d like, but we can certainly work for it.

    And, in that, we can find satisfaction.

  202. AaronB says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Whatever.

    Israel is a cool, fun country. When the Arabs are ready to live at peace with it, they will. Until then, no one really cares.

    Israel does not care if the Arabs make peace – the benefit is entirely on the Arab side.

    When the Arabs get bored of destroying themselves and beheading people, they can come to us. We might help them. We might not.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  203. @Commentator Mike

    Civilian truck drivers in Iraq have nothing to do with those conscripted to fight in Vietnam. Those refusing for Vietnam were often imprisoned. Those civilians driving trucks in Iraq were there by choice.
    The legitimacy of the Vietnam war and the Iraqi invasion are a different matter.

  204. @RoatanBill

    Very noble of you to conflate the legitimacy of the war with those who chose not to be prosecuted for refusing to go. I gather you left the country, which is your choice. My objection to your comment is that many went because they chose to obey they law, not because they were invested in the action. I also met Vietnam vets in the 60s, that told me that they were being constrained from real fighting, and that the US appeared to be not interested in winning the war. Two told me that had the US really been interested in winning, they could have turned Vietnam into a parking lot. They also said that the South Vietnamese, by and large, did not care who won, just that the conflict would end.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  205. @Curmudgeon

    I suppose it is your position that every ‘law’ must be obeyed. If so, you would make an excellent slave.

    Laws are opinions promulgated by the scum in gov’t for their own benefit. The proof of this statement is self evident in that every jurisdiction has different laws, each an opinion. I have absolutely no moral obligation to obey any law I disagree with.

    If the gov’t decided tomorrow that all bedrooms must install video cameras monitored by the police so that spousal abuse would be minimized, would that be OK with you? It would be a ‘law’.

    Choosing to obey an immoral law, such as the draft, is morally reprehensible. What right does the gov’t have to not only enslave an individual, but to send him to murder others and risk getting killed himself, and all for some bullshit political reason? Have you no rational thinking abilities? Is what some asshat says the be all and end all for you?

    Many went by obeying the law and murdered people that never harmed them or posed a threat to the US population in any way. What am I supposed to think of such amoral individuals and of you for defending them?

  206. @AaronB

    Israel is a cool, fun country.

    I guess so. Even watching Gaza burn is entertainment. Just like beheadings in Saudi.

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  207. @RoatanBill

    I could understand some of these attacks on you if you had refused to defend your country from attack. But for refusing to be an aggressor??? How far the US has strayed from its Declaration of Independence becoming a brutal evil pseudo empire.

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  208. AaronB says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Watching an enemy that attacked you get his comeuppance is one of the more basic and primal enjoyment of life.

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    , @Sya Beerens
  209. @Commentator Mike

    The problem in the US isn’t civil disobedience, it’s civil obedience; blind, stupid obedience to the laws promulgated by what the average person readily admits are crooks, scoundrels, etc that are the members of gov’t bodies.

    The logical disconnect between the average person’s demand to obey laws dreamt up by the largest criminal organization in the country (world) should be obvious to people but apparently isn’t.

  210. @RoatanBill

    I referred you to FOUR historians (two of whom hated Christians), early rabbinical literature (who hated Christians) and a C20th American seer – all of whom referenced JC.

    You said: “wouldn’t it make sense that that person would be at least as famous in his day as the Kardashians are today?”

    If you are capable of reading, as I said before, there was never any debate in the ancient world about whether Jesus of Nazareth was an historical figure.

    You said: “the guy that made him up … That would be Flavius Josephus as the inventor of Christianity”

    Why would a jew, ~60 years after the Crucifixion make up a Christian messiah – one who’d been rejected and condemned to death by the religious authorities – the Pharisees and Sadducees of His day?

    You said: “The priests and gov’t officials needed a god that they represented to keep the shallow thinkers in line.”

    They already had a God known to each culture by different names. In fact the Greeks and Romans had a pantheon of Gods – take your pick!

    You said: “That anyone could possibly still hold on to this ridiculous notion today speaks volumes about how stump stupid most people are.“

    Clearly, your view of life is essentially limited. The existence of the Divine is something that one knows in our heart – from our experience of life. Instead of invalidating/dismissing something that you’re unaware of/haven’t experienced – the most intelligent thing to do would be to give yourself the freedom, give yourself the permission, just to allow yourself to experience it. What can you possibly be afraid of?

    You said: “It’s why some asshat pope sits in a palace in his own country while defrauding millions of ‘believers’ in utter nonsense.”

    You’re quite correct about the RC Pope. With the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958, the Vatican as an institution was corrupted, suffering a coup – and has been used to attain geopolitical goals ever since.

    Witness the election of a Polish Pope to help bring down Central Industrialism (not communism) in Catholic Poland. And more recently witness an Argentinian-born Pope who remains utterly silent about the US’s Operation Condor 2.0 regime change operations in LatAm.

    But the corruption of an institution – has absolutely nothing to do with the historiography of a Prophet.

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  211. @Patagonia Man

    I have seriously researched this issue and made a conclusion. You have researched it and drawn a conclusion. Both conclusions are based on history written by the victors and span two thousand years of revisionism. This isn’t worth arguing about because neither of us can prove a damned thing.

    You can believe in a god if that comforts you, but it just aggravates me to no end.

    “When you understand why you don’t believe in other people’s gods, you will understand why I don’t believe in yours.” – Albert Einstein

    A belief system is a dangerous thing when there is nothing empirical to back it up. God and government are the two worst things man ever invented.

    “Throne and alter were twins–two vultures from the same egg.
    To attack the king was treason; to dispute the priest, blasphemy.
    The sword and cross were allies.
    Together they attacked the rights of men; they defended each other.
    The king owned the bodies of men, the priests the souls.
    One lived on taxes collected by force, the other on alms collected by fear.
    Both robbers, both beggars.
    The king made laws, the priest made creeds.
    With bowed backs the people carried the burdens of one, with open-mouthed wonder received the dogmas of the other.
    The king said rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me.
    The priest said God made you ignorant and immoral; He made me holy and wise; you are the sheep, I am the shepherd; your fleeces belong to me.
    You must not reason, you must not contradict, you must believe.” – Robert G. Ingersoll

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  212. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Watching an enemy that attacked you get his comeuppance is one of the more basic and primal enjoyment of life.

    According to whom…a psychopath…?

    Because ‘enjoying’ another person’s suffering is how EXTREME psychopathy is defined…as opposed to just mild psychopathy where there is only a lack of empathy…

    That would put the DORK AaronB firmly on the Ted Bundy end of the psychopathy spectrum…well done…!

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  213. AaronB says:
    @FB

    Defending against an enemy that attacks the innocent – you, your women, and your children – and being extremely satisfied that he’s getting pummeled – is one of the healthiest, most natural, and most innocent emotions a person can feel.

    Trying to describe the satisfaction one feels at defending the innocent against aggression as psycopathy, is the sign of a perverted, corrupt, and twisted person, without a moral compass. Indeed a psycopath.

    Which is clearly what you are.

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  214. @AaronB

    But you have put yourselves (most, other than any old time settlers) in a position to have those enemies, driven by religious fanaticism to have a state on another’s land. And most Israelis are not even descendants of those to whom those ancient myths apply, but let’s not revive the Khazarian/Sephardic debate. You are just foreign occupiers waiting to be righteously expelled. I know it’s not pretty any way you turn it but I take no pleasure in anyone’s suffering – Jews or Arabs.

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  215. FB says: • Website

    Excuse me, DORK…

    How many of those Israeli psychopaths that have dragged old couches to the top of that hill, so they can spectate the Palestinian demonstrators [on their own side of the fence] getting picked off by military snipers, have actually been ‘attacked’ by anyone…?

    The picture that Commentator Mike posted of those Israeli spectators is pure depravity…it’s like Nazis gathered round watching Jews get shot…no difference…

    Even those Nazis have solemn expressions, as opposed to the lighthearted spectators on those old couches…

    Israeli Settler Violence

    Grim reading…as the Einsatzjuden continue to the shock the world with their depraved, systematic violence against the rightful inhabitants of an OCCUPIED TERRITORY…

    Attacks on Palestinian agriculture and property, well contamination and water access, attacks on mosques, churches and monasteries…hundreds every year…

    Swedish volunteer Tove Johannson (pictured) suffered a broken cheekbone from a hit in the face with a bottle by an Israeli settler in Hebron on November 18, 2006. She and other European members of the International Solidarity Movement sought to escort Palestinian children home from school.[1][2]

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  216. @geokat62

    Just getting back to you Geo on your excellent question. So in short, there were a number of votes.

    As you read this, bear in mind the UNO (you know?) is essentially a Rothschild/Rockefeller project (Rockefeller even donated the land for its HQ). That’s why its HQ is sited in the so-called “Empire State” of New York – and not Geneva – or a city of any neutral country, e.g., Switzerland. In addition, these days the US State Department (aka Zio-Central) has taken over the UN Secretary General’s office – to sideline him – and push the POTUS (of any stripe) as the “world’s leadership”.

    So … here’s a skeleton timeline:

    [MORE]

    1. In WWI, the only diplomatic achievement of Germany was the Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) joining the Central Powers. But was it such an achievement? There’s more to it than meets the eye!
    See: The Dönmeh: The Middle East’s Most Whispered Secret
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/10/25/the-doenmeh-the-middle-easts-most-whispered-secret-part-i/

    2. In August 1914, the secret Ottoman-German Alliance was signed.

    3. As we know, France & UK defeated the Ottomans in WWI.

    4. During WWI, in the McMahon-Hussein letters, the UK promised to honor Arab independence if they revolted against the Ottomans. (As an aside, the UK made the same promise of independence if the Arab people fought on their side against NSDAP Germany in WWII – so they’ve were double-crossed not once – but twice!)

    5. From 23 November 1915 – 3 January 1916, France & UK negotiated the secret Sykes-Picot Agreement, carving up the Ottoman Empire between them.

    6. On 2 November 1917, the Balfour Declaration handing Palestine to Lord Rothschild of the World Zionist Organization (not the ~50,000 jews resident in the territory) was signed.

    7. After the war, on June 1922, the UK’s continued occupation was legitimated by obtaining a League of Nations’ mandate.

    8. Between the wars, hundreds of thousands of jews from the Russian Pale, E. & Central Europe were shipped into the Mandate, in contravention of international law.

    9. After WWII, a Partition Plan* for the British Mandate of Palestine was worked up, see UNSCOP.
    https://search.archives.un.org/united-nations-special-committee-on-palestine-unscop-1947

    10. On 22 November 1947, after months of investigations and “intense lobbying” a straw vote resulted in 24 nations supporting the Plan, 16 opposed with the rest abstaining.

    11. This vote fell short of the two-thirds needed to adopt the proposed Partition Resolution.

    12. On 26 November, a second vote was taken in committee resulting in 25 in favor and 13 against – still short of 2/3’s majority.

    13. Rather than proceeding with a vote in a plenary session, pressured by the Zionist lobby, the US proposed a recess – so the Zionists & US allies could go all out with “intense lobbying” (incl. bribery, btw) on the anti-Partition governments of Haiti, Liberia, Philippines, China, Ethiopia and Greece to vote for partition or to abstain. All but Greece capitulated.

    14. On 29 November, Resolution 181 was adopted: 33 votes in favor, 13 opposed & 10 abstentions.

    15. Immediately after the Resolution’s adoption, violence (known as the 1947–48 Civil War) broke out and the plan with Economic Union was not implemented (surprise, surprise!). The well-armed, well-prepared zionist underground terror groups, Lehi & Irgun, killed Palestinians, expelled ~750,000 of them from their homes and razed their towns & villages to the ground to prevent their return.

    16. On 14 May 1948, after UK’s High Commissioner, Alan Cunningham, had left Jerusalem, the British Army took no measures to establish the international regime in the city.

    17. At midnite on 14 May 1948 (chosen for its astrological significance, btw), the British Mandate expired and the UK disengaged its forces.

    18. Despite the intervention of five Arab nations, Palestine was denied independence because of the determination of the ZOG’s of France, UK & US (FUKUS) to partition 44% of the territory to the 2/3’s of the Palestinian people – and 56% to the 1/3 zionist colonists.

    19. On 11 December 1948 and after the assassination of Swedish nobleman and UN mediator Count Folke Bernadotte by zionist extremists, Resolution 194 attempted to restore Palestinian rights by resolving: “refugees wishing to return to their homes … should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid … [to] those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which … should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible”, was adopted by the UNGA**. Of course this wasn’t taken seriously by powerful governments and was never implemented.

    20. After the 1967 Arab-Israeli War, in November of that year, the UNSC unanimously adopted Resolution 242 which called for the withdrawal of the zionist entity from occupied “territories” in exchange for peace. Pressure from the US allowed a major ambiguity to be inserted into the text: instead of it reading “the territories” meaning all of them, it referred only to “territories”, leaving wriggle-room for the zionist entity to keep land won by conquest (banned by the Geneva Conventions after WWII).

    21. This resolution also put forward the “land for peace” formula which had dominated Palestinian negotiations since 1967 and secured Egypt’s demand for the return of all of its territory occupied by the zionist entity as the price of a peace treaty.

    22. After Palestinians and the zionist entity signed the 1993 Oslo Accord, Jordan also signed a peace deal with the zionist entity in the expectation that a Palestinian state would emerge at the turn of the millennia. This didn’t happen because the zionist entity had illegally colonized the Occupied Territories with the aim of scuppering the “land for peace” formula as the basis of a settlement.

    23. In spite of the flagrant breaches of Res. 242, international law and 4th Geneva Convention, which prohibited settling zionists in the occupied territories, the UNSC did not call upon the zionist entity to “cease-and-desist” or impose sanctions on it for refusing to cease its colonization. Instead, the UN and its member-states simply stuck to the empty slogan of “land for peace”.

    24. On 23 December 2016, the UNSC summonsed the courage to adopt, by 14 votes, with the US abstaining for the 1st time, (between Trump’s election and his Inauguration), a resolution reaffirming that the zionist entity’s colonies in the Occupied Territories, incl. Jerusalem, had no legal validity and constituted a flagrant violation of international law.

    25. Unfortunately, with Trump as POTUS, the UNSC adopted a resolution not to recognize changes in the June 1967 ceasefire lines unless negotiated by both sides.

    26. Beholden to his zionist donors, Trump scrapped the shelved resolutions and refused to pressure the zionist entity to implement them.

    27. More recently, the US recognized the zionist entity’s annexation of Syria’s Golan Heights and worked up a “deal” allowing the zionist entity to annex the West Bank which it hadn’t already settled – without the Palestinian people even being invited to participate in negotiations!

    NOTES:
    * The Resolution recommended the creation of independent Arab and Jewish states and an internationally-governed administration for the city of Jerusalem. The 4-part Partition Plan document attached to the Resolution, provided for:
    i) the termination of the Mandate,
    ii) the progressive withdrawal of UK armed forces,
    iii) delineation of boundaries between the two states and Jerusalem and
    iv) economic union.

    ** Recall that UNGA resolutions are only recommendations and don’t have the force of Security Council resolutions – which are meant to be mandatory.

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  217. @RoatanBill

    ROTFLMAO!

    You said: “A belief system is a dangerous thing when there is nothing empirical to back it up” [emphasis mine]

    Not to believe in something – is still a belief system!

    You do know that the word ‘proof’ (if that’s what you’re looking for) means to experience to the fullest, right?

    As I’ve said before, you choose not to believe in something that you haven’t experienced.

    For instance, I can’t say that there are not fairies in the bottom of my garden – just because I haven’t seen them / haven’t heard them / haven’t touched them / haven’t experienced them in any way.

    The most intelligent – and indeed the only remark – I can make is that I haven’t experienced them.

    Capeche?

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  218. AaronB says:
    @FB

    Those Israeli civilians are watching with satisfaction as Hamas gets pumeled during Operation Cast Lead, after having their towns and villages bombarded with Hamas rockets without provocation for days, and after their women and children had been terrorized by random rockets falling on kindergartens and grocery stores.

    You are one sick dude, FB.

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  219. AaronB says:
    @Commentator Mike

    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion.

    I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

    All the best, and good luck.

  220. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Oh, excuse me Ted Bundy…

    Those sickos reclining on couches were only watching ‘Operation Cast Lead’ one of the most sickening war crimes we have yet seen in the era of live television…

    During the war, 3 Israeli civilians were killed by rocket attacks. A total of 10 Israeli soldiers were killed in the war, of whom 6 were killed by enemy action and 4 were killed by friendly fire.[31][28]

    B’Tselem counted 248 killed police officers.[31] Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights said in January 2009, that 1,268 people were killed, among them 288 children and 103 women, and 85% of those killed were not combatants.

    I guess those spectators in Mike’s photo got their well-earned ‘enjoyment’ at those 300 children’s lives snuffed out…?

    But the ‘fun’ and ‘enjoyment’ continues…here are the ‘fun’ Israelis watching the recent Gaza protests…and the snipers in action…

    Israelis watch ‘outdoor cinema’ on Gaza border, cheer as Palestinians killed

    Yeah…Israel sounds like a super ‘fun’ place..especially if you get your ‘enjoyment’ by watching live action snuff porn…

  221. @Patagonia Man

    I see you’re now into sophistry.

    You do know that the word ‘proof’ (if that’s what you’re looking for) means to experience to the fullest, right?

    No, proof is a verification of something one suspects. Proof requires evidence.

    Let me make this as plain for you as I possibly can. I don’t care if JC ever existed or not. It is of no consequence to me. What I find interesting is why you want to proselytize on this subject when neither of us has any proof either way.

    I don’t believe in a virgin birth. I don’t believe in multiplying fish. I don’t believe in resurrection. I don’t believe in these things because I see no proof of their existence. I don’t believe in a god because the concept is illogical and springs from the mind of primitive man that needed to make up an answer to a question he couldn’t properly fathom.

    If the universe required a ‘creator’ and that creator is god, then god required a ‘creator’ and no one claims to know who or what that was. I just want to cut out the middle man and say I don’t know how the universe was created and I’m not stupid enough to support the religious zealots in their delusional thinking that claims to know, without proof.

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  222. geokat62 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    the UNO (you know?)

    lol

    So … here’s a skeleton timeline:

    Thanks for pulling together this excellent synopsis of the critical events that transpired, PM. Very informative.

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  223. “I don’t care if JC ever existed or not.”

    But its of vital concern to you to argue that something that you haven’t experienced doesn’t exist?

    oh, OK then!

    You know there are Rules of Logic, right?

    But I’m the one into sophistry???

    ROTFLMAO!

  224. skrik says:
    @RoatanBill

    If the universe required a ‘creator’

    IMHO, no. I can offer a ‘proof:’ Consider the ‘conservation laws,’ here specifically: ‘Matter/energy can neither be created nor destroyed [only changed from one form to another; see A-bombs, say].’ Now consider ‘Occam’s razor,’ no ‘creator’ is required = superfluous = junk the ‘god’ concept. But, I hear distressed cries, Q: “How did we get here?!” A: By a phase-transition [think super-heated awter flashing into steam], from super-dense to expanding into forever, transitioning super-hot at the phase-change instant, ergo no creation, no god.

    There is a neat ‘corollary;’ with the conservation laws in place [nobody, any time, any place has ever found one single exception], no ‘info’ can suddenly appear in our universe, because to do so would violate conservation, ergo any claiming to hear some putative god’s ‘message’ is only dreaming, and at that point has lost all contact with reality. rgds

  225. @AaronB

    The 3 yo “enemy” that is.

  226. “Islamic State”

    IS

    Jewish State

    Obviously

  227. @RoatanBill

    Again, you are conflating issues. I have never suggested the Vietnam or Iraq war was justified.

    I suppose it is your position that every ‘law’ must be obeyed. If so, you would make an excellent slave.
    Laws are opinions promulgated by the scum in gov’t for their own benefit….

    Where you are headed is that it is a personal choice what laws you want to obey, and that there should be no repercussions for your choices. Does that mean that if I think speed limits are immoral I shouldn’t be stopped for speeding? How about me “borrowing” something permanently from a store? Murder?
    If you don’t like a law, get off your ass and collect people who think the same way, and tell the political whore who allegedly represents you that if he doesn’t lobby to change the law, not only will your group not vote for him, you will actively campaign against him. It doesn’t mean you have to stand in the street screaming like the idiots today, it means knocking on doors and talking to people. That is what I have done. The only thing these people care about is getting re-elected for the next journey on the gravy train. If you aren’t in their face to challenge that, nothing will change.
    You made your choice not to obey a law and others made a choice to obey a law. I see no reason for you to denigrate those who chose obey the law, just as I see no reason for you to be denigrated for your choice.

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  228. @Curmudgeon

    Lets see if you can follow some logic, step by step.

    Generally, the political class in the US is deemed on par with dog shit. The population knows they’ll do anything to get elected and reelected. The trust level of the political class is near zero because they’ve proven time after time that they are underhanded scumbags.

    These politicians make the laws. They make them to swindle the citizenry at near every turn so as to pay off their benefactors with favors to get the bribes known officially as campaign contributions. Everyone knows this.

    Therefore, the laws are illegitimate. The gov’t is illegitimate. Anyone that demands that the citizenry obey every law is working for the oligarchs and slime in gov’t.

    To petition the political class assumes they have legitimacy; they don’t. To petition the political class provides them the power they misuse. Anyone that votes or metaphorically gets on their knees to beg for this or that dispensation from the scum in office is aiding and abetting their criminal behavior.

    That’s why no one with any brains or morals feels an obligation to obey the laws handed down by the lowest form of life on the planet – the political class. Those amoral swine that carry a weapon to protect and serve the political class deserve every manner of ridicule that exists. They more than anyone else provide the actual physical ‘force’ under ‘color of law’ that idiot praise as patriotic.

    Now, debunk what I’ve stated, in a step by step fashion, or STFU.

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