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For many years the security framework in the Middle East has been described as a bilateral arrangement whereby Washington gained access to sufficient Saudi Arabian oil to keep the energy market stable while the United States provided an armed physical presence through its bases in the region and its ability to project power if anyone should seek to threaten the Saudi Kingdom. The agreement was reportedly worked out in a February 1945 meeting between President Franklin D. Roosevelt and King Abdul Aziz ibn Saud, just as World War 2 was drawing to a close. That role as protector of Saudi Arabia and guarantor of stable energy markets in the region later served as part of the justification for the U.S. ouster of the Iraqi Army from Kuwait in 1991.

After 9/11, the rationale became somewhat less focused. The United States invaded Afghanistan, did not capture or kill Osama bin Laden due to its own incompetence, and, rather than setting up a puppet regime and leaving, settled down to a nineteen-years long and still running counter-insurgency plus training mission. Fake intelligence produced by the neocons in the White House and Defense Department subsequently implicated Iraq in 9/11 and led to the political and military disaster known as the Iraq War.

During the 75 years since the end of the Second World War the Middle East has experienced dramatic change, to include the withdrawal of the imperial European powers from the region and the creation of the State of Israel. And the growth and diversification of energy resources mean that it is no longer as necessary to secure the petroleum that moves in tankers through the Persian Gulf. Lest there be any confusion over why the United States continues to be involved in Syria, Iraq, the Emirates and Saudi Arabia, President Donald Trump remarkably provided some clarity relating to the issue when on September 8th he declared that the U.S. isn’t any longer in the Middle East to secure oil supplies, but rather because we “want to protect Israel.”

The comment was made by Trump during a rally in Winston-Salem, N.C. as part of a boast about his having reduced energy costs for consumers. He said “I like being energy independent, don’t you? I’m sure that most of you noticed when you go to fill up your tank in your car, oftentimes it’s below two dollars. You say how the hell did this happen?… While I’m president, America will remain the number one producer of oil and natural gas in the world. We will remain energy independent. It should be for many many years to come. The fact is, we don’t have to be in the Middle East, other than we want to protect Israel. We’ve been very good to Israel. Other than that, we don’t have to be in the Middle East.”

The reality is, of course, that U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East has been all about Israel for a very long time, at least since the presidency of Bill Clinton, who has been sometimes dubbed the first Jewish president for his deference to Israeli interests. The Iraq War is a prime example of how neoconservatives and Israel Firsters inside the United States government conspired to go to war to protect the Jewish State. In key positions at the Pentagon were Zionists Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith. Feith’s Office of Special Plans developed the “alternative intelligence” linking Saddam Hussein to al-Qaeda and also to a mythical nuclear program that was used to justify war. Feith was so close to Israel that he partnered in a law firm that had an office in Jerusalem. The fake intelligence was then stove-piped to the White House by fellow neocon “Scooter” Libby who worked in the office of Vice President Dick Cheney.

After the fact, former Secretary of State Colin Powell also had something to say about the origins of the war, commenting that the United States had gone into Iraq because Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld bought into the neoconservative case made for doing so by “the JINSA crowd,” by which he meant the Israel Lobby organization the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

And if any more confirmation about the origins of the Iraq War were needed, one might turn to Philip Zelikow, who was involved in the planning process while working on the staff of Condoleezza Rice. He said “The unstated threat. And here I criticize the [Bush] administration a little, because the argument that they make over and over again is that this is about a threat to the United States. And then everybody says: ‘Show me an imminent threat from Iraq to America. Show me, why would Iraq attack America or use nuclear weapons against us?’ So I’ll tell you what I think the real threat is, and actually has been since 1990. It’s the threat against Israel. And this is the threat that dare not speak its name, because the Europeans don’t care deeply about that threat, I will tell you frankly. And the American government doesn’t want to lean too hard on it rhetorically, because it’s not a popular sell.”

So here is the point that resonates: even in 2002-3, when the Israel Lobby was not as powerful as it is now, the fact that the U.S. was going to war on a lie and was actually acting on behalf of the Jewish State was never presented in any way to the public, even though America’s children would be dying in the conflict and American taxpayers would be footing the bill. The media, if it knew about the false intelligence, was reliably pro-Israel and helped enable the deception.

And that same deception continued to this day until Trump spilled the beans earlier this month. And now, with the special security arrangement that the U.S. has entered into with Israel, the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain, the ability to exit from a troublesome region that does not actually threaten American interests has become very limited. As guarantor of the agreement, Washington now has an obligation to intervene on the behalf of the parties involved. Think about that, a no-win arrangement that will almost certainly lead to war with Iran, possibly to include countries like Russia and China that will be selling it military equipment contrary to U.S. “sanctions.”

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is https://councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. geokat62 says:

    Trump Confirms U.S. Is Israel’s “Protector”

    Protector? Is that a fancy word for “Bitch”?

  2. JWalters says:

    Excellent synopsis of the situation. And if we look into the founding of Israel, we find it was founded by war profiteers. This would explain why peace has been so “elusive”. It has been relentlessly dodged. “War Profiteers and the Roots of the ‘War on Terror’”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com/p/war-profiteers-and-roots-of-war-on.html

    • Replies: @Wally
  3. JWalters says:
    @geokat62

    It means Netanyahu is the de facto president of the US.

  4. Just like the last days of Roman Empire, anything our naked Emperor touches it gets all f**ked up! So may be it’s the beginning of the END🙏

  5. vot tak says:

    Face it, america is israel’s/zionazia’s suka. Actually, their jailhouse suka. And an enthusiastic one. The process of conversion to this state of affairs has been gradual. It began before WW2. It really got going during the reagan regime and was shifted into overdrive during bush jr’s regime. The trump regime clinched the zionazi control, it being total now.

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  6. Derer says:

    Trump Confirms U.S. Is Israel’s “Protector”

    This declaration is against the will of the American people. Hawkish policies of this nature, that endanger the American lives should be confirmed by a referendum of the people. Of course that would be logical step in a democracy but USA is not a democracy but a diktat of backroom unellected ruling clique.

  7. sethster says:

    990. Jews are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ whites just as whites are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ non-whites. Let me explain how that works.

    Why do we observe Jews at the forefront of many cutting-edge industries? (for example the media/arts and financial industries are indeed rife with them). The low-IQ answer is, of course, a simplistic conspiracy theory: Jews form an evil cabal that created all these industries from scratch to “destroy culture” (or at least what low-IQ people think is culture, i.e. some previous, obsolete state of culture, i.e. older, lower culture, i.e. non-culture). And, to be sure, there is a lot of decadence in these industries. But, in an advanced civilization, there is a lot of decadence everywhere anyway! It’s an essential prerequisite even! So it makes perfect sense that the most capable people in such a civilization will also be the most decadent! The stereotype of the degenerate cocaine-sniffing whoremonging or homosexual Hollywood or Wall Street operative belongs here. Well, buddy, if YOU were subjected to the stresses and temptations of the Hollywood or Wall Street lifestyles, maybe you’d be a “degenerate” too! But you lack the IQ for that, so of course you’ll reduce the whole enterprise to a simplistic resentful fairy tale that seems laughable even to children: a bunch of old bearded Jews gathered round a large table planning the destruction of civilization! Well I say enough with this childish nonsense! The Jews are simply some of the smartest and most industrious people around, ergo it makes sense that they’ll be encountered at or near all the peaks of the dominant culture, being overrepresented everywhere in it, including therefore in its failings and excesses! This is what it means to be the best! It doesn’t mean that you are faultless little angels who can do no wrong, you brainless corn-fed nitwits! There’s a moving passage somewhere in Nietzsche where he relates that Europe owes the Jews for the highest sage (Spinoza), and the highest saint (Jesus), and he’d never even heard of Freud or Einstein! In view of all the immeasurable gifts the Jewish spirit has lavished on humanity, anti-semitism in the coming world order will be a capital offense, if I have anything to say on the matter. The slightest word against the Jews, and you’re a marked man: I would have not only you, but your entire extended family wiped out, just to be sure. You think you know what the Devil is, but he’s just the lackey taking my orders. Entire cities razed to the ground (including the entire Middle East), simply because one person there said something bad about “the Jews”, that’s how I would have the future! Enough with this stupid meme! To hell with all of you brainless subhumans! You’ve wasted enough of our nervous energy on this stupid shit! And the same goes to low-IQ non-whites who blame all their troubles on whites! And it’s all true: Jews and whites upped the stakes for everybody by bringing into the world a whole torrent of new possibilities which your IQ is too low to handle! So whatcha gonna do about it? Are you all bark, or are you prepared to bite? Come on, let’s see what you can do! Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

    From http://orgyofthewill.net

  8. @Yukon Jack

    While at it, it’s best to name the fucker with an apt reminder that we keep bending down and begging for more.

  9. Talha says:

    Honestly, I like way better out in the open like this. Now there is no reason to worry about all the other BS excuses, it’s all on the table.

    So now, as a public, we have been informed; so what are we going to do about it? Or are they so confident about their position that they know they can announce it to he world openly and be sure that there will be zero consequences?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @Moi
    , @Wizard of Oz
  10. They indeed are a peach of a pear. Donnie had a Jew write his SATs – Shapiro but unknown is how much coin he paid. Israel early times had to make a choice but yelled “Give us Barabbas!” and Barabbas was a thief. Now today- big conflab but Donnie paid 750 smackers in tax twice over 15 years and most years nothing but Ivanka got a 758,000 contact for hotels in Vancouver and Seattle —and Woody Guthrie was no friend of Fred Trump- the father of Donald Trump. BUT- God chose Trump to lead USA in 2016 —will the Almighty chose Trump again in 2020 ? Now anyone paying 750 in taxes while claiming to be a billionaire is either not ethical or realistic—or is this the squared circle of Pro Wrestling — a gong show of pretend- becoming reality??

  11. This is one issue I don’t agree with Trump.
    The zionist Christians and jews have gotten to him.
    I suppose putting his son-in-law Kushner as his “senior adviser” was a bad idea.
    Ivanka has poor choice in men.
    And why is it when non-jewish people marry jewish people, they are always pressured into converting to judaism, and not the other way around?

  12. Hess says:

    Poor Jews! thrown into a meat grinder for the sake of Anglo ambitions for the world and human race.

    White Germanic race is the scourge on humanity and must be eradicated by any means necessary.

    • Replies: @Talha
  13. anon[219] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    A soteriologically accurate term! Falling for fantastical storytelling does have its price.

  14. GMC says:

    Protector, personal armies, saboteurs, financiers, assassin’s, propagandists, liars, thieves, rapists, slavers, and that is just for starters – which includes inside and outside of the former country called the USA.

  15. Oracle says:
    @sethster

    No, you are wrong. The problem with the ‘industriousness’ is that it is characterized by the principle of profit before all, no matter how immoral the activity. People who do that don’t care about a civilized society and should not be able to reap the benefits of one.

    Also high IQ isn’t exemplified by trickery, lying, subverting and eroding the morals of the host society.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  16. Talha says:
    @Hess

    Speaking of Germans, what are those homeboys up to lately…?

    Heavens to Mergatroid!!!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  17. Ugetit says:

    The US is not only the protector, but has been the enabler of the mafia from the start.

    Chaim.Weizman and Nathan Sokolow approach the British with a dirty deal. The Zionists offer to use their international influence to bring the US into the war on Britain’s side, while undermining Germany from within. The price that Britain must pay for U.S. entry is to steal Palestine from Ottoman Turkey (Germany’s ally) and allow the Jews to settle there. Zionist agitated anti-German propaganda was unleashed in the US while the Zionists and Marxists of Germany begin to undermine Germany’s war effort from within. Wilson establishes the Committee on Public Information (CPI) for the purpose of manipulating public opinion in support of the war.

    -M.S. King, The Bad War, p 50.

    Similar scenario for “WW2” which was little more than a continuation of the previous biggie. They really ought to be known as the One World Wars since they were obviously part of the plan for the world to be dominated by the International mafia through such creations as the League of Subjects and the United Slave Nations with the capitol at Tel Aviv.

    • Agree: Cauchemar du Singe
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Jack O Lantern
  18. Yes, Dr. Giraldi, you hit the nail on the head again.

    However, the problem is that most White Middle Class Americans, are satisfied and fully compliant with this situation where the USA is a Megalethon Vassal and Servile State for the poor little Israeli state .

    Also, let us be honest with ourselves, Blacks and other minorities on more occasions do dare to speak out on this issue, only to get trounced upon by the MSM and silence and snickers by the stay safe White American Middle Class. Do you ever find a Main Line White Politician speaking up for America’s interests and placing them first vis a vis our best little ally??? Only when it comes to Afro or the Hispanic – Americans sticking their heads up a little does Middle White Americana get all worked up and emotionally charged.

    The White Middle Class and most certainly the well moneyed Corporate Class of America, does not mind giving away huge transfers of their tax dollars, national debt, high technologies, military hardware, and even their uniformed sons and daughter, upon command from the likes of Trump and their political opportunists managing the country (Rep and Dem alike). Serving and making America serve the Greater Zio Agenda for their ME and Global domination has become the norm and unquestionable. Try raising this issue at a dinner party and see how many people role their eyes and turn their heads away.

    I doubt that the RU followers here, who seem more bent on street brawling with the false bogeymen like BLM and ANTIFA, are the ones that will stand up to the in your face take over of WDC by AIPAC and the Israel First Crowd, including front man Trump for the Kushner-Bibi WH.

    Let us not forget the thieving and scamming Sunday preachers who tell them it is great to be in full service of the Zio (Jewish Talmudic based) domination agenda– as it has become a direct ticket to a Raptured Heaven. Jesus for them was been thrown under the bus long ago or strangely converted into a gun machine toting Israeli nut case extremist settler, clearing the land and villages of the indignies children and all.

    Let us be frank, some elements of the America First Jewish intelligentsia are more likely to call out and the whorishness ( extremes only) of the Washington’s ZOG policies than Middle Americana, who dare not risk their creature comforts, Game Time or corporate positions.

    As the old adage goes, you get the Government That You Deserve.

    • Agree: Stonehands
  19. lavoisier says: • Website
    @sethster

    Are you all bark, or are you prepared to bite? Come on, let’s see what you can do! Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

    Well your tribe has been incredibly effective at genocide and mass murder on an unprecedented scale of barbarism in the past, and I have no doubt you remain just as capable of such barbarity and cruelty today. Your rant makes that very clear.

    Too bad the high IQ does not seem to correlate in a positive way with morality.

    But thanks for the warning! Trust me, many of us are quite aware of your capabilities.

    • Replies: @Realist
  20. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Talha

    Germans are a totally deracinated and brainwashed people.

    Germany sold Israel submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles!

    A more cucked-up people are impossible to find!

    It should be no mystery how Jews have gained such control over the Gentile.

    It was granted to them, willingly.

  21. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Talha

    Most Americans do not care that their country serves the unethical territorial ambitions of the Jews.

    Most Americans believe Israel is a noble country filled with noble people that would never do anything unjust or immoral.

    Most Americans believe Israel is our greatest ally.

    This is sad, but it is true.

    Hence the predicament and the peril of our fealty to Israel.

    And the predicament and peril of all those who come into conflict with this rogue nation and people.

    • Replies: @Talha
  22. The only reason Trump “spilled the beans” about how we are in the Middle East to protect Israel and not to keep oil flowing is to get himself reelected and nothing else. As to war with China, Zuckerberg alone would be able to bribe the administration in particular, and both the parties in general, with his extra billions to keep them out of the war being that he has married a chink, er, Chan. All will be back to business as usual after the election … at least, for four more years.

    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
  23. @JWalters

    It means Netanyahu is the de facto president of the US.

    Not quite. He is much more powerful than that. The entire Congress of the United States stands and applauds when he arrives to speak. They would never do that for Trump, or any president. The fear of being unpersoned keeps them in line.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  24. Realist says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Ninety-nine percent of Americans were fucked decades ago.

  25. Malla says:
    @Ugetit

    WW1 was a disaster for the world, three Empires destroyed, millions dead for no reason, yeah people got independence and freedom but things actually became more messy. Also the “hated” Russian Romanovs were got rid off, Russia pushed under Communist Jewish dictatorship. Also the destruction of the Caliph, imagine a united Turko-Arab Empire, no way Israel would have survived that. Even T.E. Lawrence who helped the Arabs fight the Turks was totally disappointed with the behaviour of his own Zionist controlled government. He was going to speak to the British people about the great betrayal to the Arabs and being a war hero they would have listened to him. But before he could do so he met with an “accident” while riding his motorcycle. Yeah, very convenient.

    • Agree: Robjil, Curmudgeon, Ugetit
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  26. Miville says:
    @sethster

    What you say was somewhat true about the Jews of the Mitteleuropa culture that also participated in the US intellectual development just after WWII but unfortunately as has happened in many periods of their own history, Jewish intellectual superiority, which was authentic at some point, gave way to arrogance and such arrogance always results in stupidity. Now Jews are good at gathering Nobel Prizes, which is best arranged by jury-rigging and string-pulling thanks to their talent for networking, but no so good as making real inventions. In Israel proper the mean Jewish IQ, 94, is not only disappointing but a few points below even the Palestinian one. Spiritually the Jews have no longer been a chosen people for ages and most of the intellectual development they knew from about 1850 onwards was due to their being emancipated en masse from rabbinical authority, not by conforming to it : now that are falling back under an even worse collective authority with Zionism they are reversing the intellectual gains they once made.

  27. Z-man says:
    @lavoisier

    Yes, agreed.
    As I was going to reply to Talha; Puke.

  28. Z-man says:

    A bit off topic but RIP Steven F. Cohen.

    • Agree: Realist
  29. anon[461] • Disclaimer says:

    Back in the second half of the 80s the big war games were all IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!1! There was a strong push from all the interagency pukes with their dotted-lines reports to Langley – to aim at Iraq, and to suppress any practical considerations that might interfere with this very lucrative debacle. We watched these moles countering evidence and analysis with declamatory bullshit they made up. Way back then CIA had decided. April Glaspie’s headfake sprung a trap set in Kuwait by the NOCs infesting Bechtel. That horizontal-drilling rhubarb was years in preparation.

    Iraq was one big war with three phases: beating up on the Iraqi armed forces; ten years of blowing shit up; the occupation.

    It turned out great. CIA got money-laundering nirvana, a chaotic zone where they could ship pallets of money around. They got an arms entrepot that lasted 20 years.They got a great network of sites for the torture gulag, with secure impunity – when Iraq tried to accede to the Rome Statute in 05, the CIA torturers were on the spot to nip it in the bud. The tame jihadi boogeymen the torture camps produced were invaluable in creating Rumsfeld’s “terrorist corridor” in the Sahel and justifying the P2OG and the Pan-Sahel Initiative. That put AFRICOM garrisons, US-trained warlords, and CIA torture sites in one of the most diplomatically recalcitrant regions of the world:

    So turn that frown upside down! Your old bosses got a lot out of that charlie foxtrot.

    • Thanks: Polemos
    • Replies: @vot tak
  30. Realist says:
    @sethster

    Why do we observe Jews at the forefront of many cutting-edge industries? (for example the media/arts and financial industries are indeed rife with them).

    You are correct that Jews are in control of media/arts and finance …they are not industries. They provide nothing of value to humanity. They are merely schemes to make Jews rich.

    The Jews are simply some of the smartest and most industrious people around, ergo it makes sense that they’ll be encountered at or near all the peaks of the dominant culture, being overrepresented everywhere in it, including therefore in its failings and excesses!

    Smart yes, but the great failing of Jews is their lack of industriousness. The industries, that produce things of value to Western Civilization were all conceived and started by Gentiles…Henry Ford is a great example…and he knew Jews quite well. The only industries, as you call them, that Jews are involved in are leech enterprises…financial corporations are excellent examples of leech enterprises. The financial products they contrive are methods to extract value from productive industries.
    A large percent of Jews are devoted…obsessed…with gaining wealth and power from the efforts of others which is the reason for their inordinate involvement in the Deep State…and also for the abject loathing by many Gentiles throughout the ages.

    • Agree: Ralph B. Seymour
  31. Moi says:
    @geokat62

    Fact is you can fool all Americans all the time. We are a nation of ignorant people.

  32. Moi says:
    @Talha

    Whether the truth is hidden or now out in the open doesn’t matter to a people so stupid as to believe the Creator’s offspring walked, eat and crapped on this little planet 2k years ago.

    Exhibit B of their stupidity: Electing Trump (and more than a few of his predecessors).

    • Agree: Realist
  33. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:

    The NWO won’t come to America as Greta Thunberg marching ahead of the Democrats in Mao suits under LGBTQ and GND banners and tumbrels of Christians headed for the guillotine, but as one transnational compliance regime after the other enacted by treaty, such as mandatory bi-annual vaccinations with largely inefficacious vaccines carrying not just behavior modifying chemicals and sterilants as adjuvants, but DNA-altering horrors. Anyone want to argue the threats posed by these DNA- or mRNA-modifying vaccines made from, among other things, insect DNA?

    Some think it’s over the top to talk about the NWO that’s on the horizon as a Sino-Judaic, world-hegemonic NWO, but the United States government is itself already little more than a collection of compliance regimes in service to International Jewry. The 29 standing ovations from a Congress afraid to be the first to stop clapping for a kitchen cabinet salesman-turned-Caesar made that clear enough. The rest of the story, like the nonsense that Congress and DJT are voluntarily protecting Israel, is eyewash for fools when International Jewry owns them all like the trained seals who perform in the Central Park Zoo.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  34. @God's Fool

    The Holy Rollers were never going to bail from Trump after the embassy move to Jerusalem. Jews on the other hand are likely not amused about such a revelation. So his words were unlikely about the election.

    • Replies: @God's Fool
  35. How is this foreign policy now not a violation of the church-state separation? Especially since Israel describes itself as a Jewish state.

    • Agree: Robjil
  36. Trinity says:

    I encountered yet another first while trying to teach the gullible goyim how their beloved Jews and Israel really are and how Jews are leading the charge to destroy Whites, traditionally White nations, etc in yet another bullshit session with some random strangers at the gym. These conversations pop up when I run into someone talking about current events and I want to see IF they are even aware of the JQ. I also explained that the J-people are leading and funding anti-White domestic terrorist groups like (((Antifa))) and (((BLM.))) I went on to describe the Jewish leading role in pornography that promotes the degrading of White “shiksas” often showing them laying down with Black men and performing other vile and sickening acts. Well, anyhow, back to another YOU CAN’T BE THIS STUPID moment when it comes to shabbos goy behavior. Once I explained some of the Jewish behavior that is helping destroy America, I heard this one for the ages, ” but the Jews in Israel are different than the Jews in America and Europe.” I didn’t know whether to laugh or cry. I told them about the brutal treatment of Palestinians, how Israel has all but taken over a land that was majority Palestinian just a couple of generations ago, how big and brave Israeli soldiers will beat Palestinian old women and men, etc. I might has well been talking to my dog. Some of these people are HOPELESS.

  37. geokat62 says:
    @sethster

    Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!

    Jonathan Greenblatt, is that you?

  38. @lavoisier

    Avraham Burg writes in HaaretzSay a Big ‘Thank You’ to Martin Schulz (Martin Schulz being a very prominent and influential German and European Union politician) :

    And fourth, Martin Schulz, the president of the European Parliament, is a close friend of mine. On most issues connected to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict we disagree. He is closer to the Israeli mainstream, and his positions resemble those of Labor Party chairman Isaac Herzog. He once told me, during a frank and stern conversation, “For me, the new Germany exists only in order to ensure the existence of the State of Israel and the Jewish people.” He’s a brilliant intellectual and a thoughtful politician, and we don’t need to worry – he won’t give up his existential friendship so easily. And certainly not because of Bennett or his colleague Orit Strock, the party whip.

    A very symbolic photo posted by the Israel Defence Forces’ Twitter account, in the tweet linked to by user Talha

    Heil Judea!

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AaronB
  39. Realist says:
    @lavoisier

    Too bad the high IQ does not seem to correlate in a positive way with morality.

    Exactly.

  40. Trinity says:

    Muh Israel. Muh Jews.

  41. Fr. John says:

    Can I puke now? Make America WHITE Again…. ANYONE.

    Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg said, “There’s nothing in the Constitution that says the president stops being president in his last year.”-https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2020/09/21/breaking-trump-indicates-when-hell-announce-scotus-nominee-n948033

    ‘…If the Democrats win this election, they are going to take absolutely everything from us, they are going to lock up all pro-whites, they’re going to take your kids and forcibly inject them with tranny hormones, they’re going to burn down the churches, they’re going to flood the country with so many brown people that you won’t be able to move around. They’re going to immediately abolish the First and Second Amendments, arrest dissidents and confiscate guns. They’re going to completely destroy the economy and ensure that the only thing that exists is a mass of poor people and a tiny elite ruling class. There will be no illusions, no pretension of fairness. They will start massive wars with Russia and China, and virtually all young white men (probably middle aged ones too) will be sent to die in a grinder that will last decades. Then, you’re going to live with that situation until you die.- https://dailystormer.su/the-people-telling-you-not-to-vote-for-trump-because-he-was-a-bad-daddy-are-evil/

  42. Whitewolf says:
    @HallParvey

    The Congress (and the Senate) can be remarkably bipartisan when it comes to Israeli interests. When it concerns American interests not so much.

    The democrats, some republicans and the msm have for Trump’s entire presidency opposed him on virtually everything. Yet he was able to keep his promises to Israelis while being unable to even keep his signature promise of a border wall for the US. The deportation of illegals seems to have been completely forgotten as well.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  43. geokat62 says:
    @Anonymous

    The rest of the story, like the nonsense that Congress and DJT are voluntarily protecting Israel, is eyewash for fools when International Jewry owns them all like the trained seals who perform in the Central Park Zoo.

    I like.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anonymous
  44. sally says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Trump did not sell Anyone down any river.. The United States of America since 1788, has been governed by one of the 256 nation state franchise owners. The global powers (bankers, oil men and arms makers) have divided the 8 billion humans that occupy the entire earth into 256 management controllable cells (armed and dangerous nation states?) and the global franchising firm has assigned to each nation state (cell) one or more corrupt franchise owners. The franchise owners (cell owners) have each devised a method suited to control the masses that are governed by the owner’s nation state franchise.. once a nation state owner is appointed, the new nation state franchise owner assembles founding documents and uses those documents for its authority to own everyone within his or her franchise area.

    Look around the globe.. .. its the nation state system that is cause humanity so much problem.

    Humanity will never be able to improve its lot, unless it first defines a set of rules that it can independently enforce against all governments everywhere. Without enforcement authority rules are useless. Without independence all rules are compromised. What is it the governed want from those they appoint to govern?

    Certainly the governed don’t want the governors to operate in secret? The governed don’t won’t laws passed unless the majority know about them, have a chance to discuss them, have decided they are a needed benefit to the governed, and the governed have engaged in a democratic vote with majority outcome to approve of the law or decision of government. The governed don’t want to be taxed to serve an interest foreign to the purpose of the governed, so the activities of the nation state war, banking, etc.should be confined only to the purpose the governed have endorsed by a democratic vote following a national debate in sufficient depth to inform all. The governed don’t want monopoly powers given to private individuals or corporations <= According to a major research agency a few days ago, the balance sheets of the major markets have only assets made of hot thin air. The balance sheets of these powerful financial corporations are 90% non real, that is they are intangible assets. consider that in 1955, corporation Physical assets were 86% and to day you cannot pick up or touch a but 10% of the assets these monster corporations say they own. 14% physical asset in 1955 is now 90 % intangible (not touchable) asset in 2020..

    The problem with private ownership of intangible assets is that all of these hot thin air assets are generated by rule of law..none of them exist in nature. Patents, copyrights and trademarks represent private ownership of ideas, writings, words..and methods that your tax money paid to be developed; whereas if there were no patent, no copyright and privatization of public domain assets were unlawful, private persons or corporations could not use their ownership of the to rape your pocket books and to keep you from starting your own business and competing with them. the benefits of discovery by one man, and the benefits of invention by one man, would belong to everyone.

    . If the laws of patents, copyrights and trademarks were removed from the books, large corporations like Microsoft, and Google would be just one more competitor in the world trying to make a living. Hundreds of thousands of small corporations would spring-up providing equivalent and better services than these two giants provide for prices priced at competitive price, instead of priced based on the power of the monopoly that blocks competition. The Oligarchs (USA Nation State Franchise Owners are using the rule of law to get rich at the expense of improvising all of governed America.

    Trumps just a hired hand..

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  45. Talha says:
    @lavoisier

    And if this is truly the case, then there is not much that can be done realistically without a major sea-shift in the attitudes of normal Americans. Which way will it go?

    I don’t know how confident I am. I have some young cousins that are DNC delegates. They did mention that there has been a noticeable shift among young Democrats away from this kind of open and uncontested support. However, they mentioned that the Zionist influence is so strong among the elite crew that runs things, that they successfully crush any policy declarations or shifts from the status quo.

    Sad situation, but it took a while to get here – will take a while to get out.

    Peace.

  46. @sethster

    Weinstein, Epstein, Maxwell, Maddof, … –cking geniuses. I thought your principal asset was “God’s chosen people”. Now I see it’s your penetrating mind.

    • LOL: Ralph B. Seymour
  47. Talha says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Israeli flag on top…(shaking my head).

    Peace.

  48. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

    It is time to be more honest. A foreign war that the US loses may be the only way out of the political, moral and social impasse that currently afflicts the US. The forces that control the US government need to be removed and that seems increasingly unlikely to arise from simply domestic opposition.

    It took World War II to remove Adolf Hitler from power in Germany. Why should anyone expect anything less to change the government of the United States? The US wants a war with Russia and China. Perhaps it is best that it be granted one? Let’s see some articles on this proposition.

  49. Trinity says:
    @sethster

    Your comment is exhibit A for how mental illness is an inherit trait in a LARGE PORTION of the “Jewish” population. Frankly, I still don’t know if the Khazar theory should be debunked because nearly all Ashkenazi Jews don’t look like Semites at all.

    Ahem, my guess is you are lacking in the physical department, more than likely what I call a “shriv” built along the lines of Simon and Garfunkel or Woody Allen, you probably have the mental makeup and sexual tastes of Woody Allen as well. Of course there are some Jews who debunk the effeminate male stereotype but they are often mixed with Gentile blood. Two that come to mind are Lyle Alzado and boxer Mike Rossman. Both guys had Italian fathers, Rossman fought under his mother’s maiden name. Oops, forgot about baseball, Hank Greenberg, and Sandy Koufax. I guess there are some noteworthy Jew athletes but they are not the norm, Mark Spitz, Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Ike Berger, etc., and NO, Max Baer WAS NOT A JEW. IF Baer had any trace of Jew blood it wasn’t much. Legendary trainer, Ray Arcel, a Jew himself, once remarked that he saw Maxie in the shower and no he “ain’t” Jewish. Peter gazing aside, might be a Jewish trait, who knows, Arcel would go on and help train fighters like the greats, Roberto Duran, Ezzard Charles, Freddie Steele, ( one of the most underrated fighters of all time in my book), Tony Zale and the aforementioned Barney Ross. Back to Max Baer, Baer was allegedly mixed with some Jewish blood, but he was also German, and his mother was Scotts-Irish. So in reality Max Baer was only slightly more Jewish than Lizzie Warren is an Injun. The Star Of David was nothing more than a promo to grab interest and increase ticket sales when ethnic boxing rivalries were big in boxing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  50. @Talha

    The odd thing is how so many Jews still support immigration despite the fact that a lot of the immigrants are (from the Jewish/Zionist perspective) at best indifferent to Israel and at worse outright hostile and want it gone.

    Or perhaps they realise democracy is a sham and the Jewish elite have got their backs? Hence their plans to mongrelise Europeans nations don’t really conflict with their Zionist ambitions.

    One thing is for sure, when things start to get hairy in the West, all Jews will have a nice First World ethnocracy to move to.

    • Replies: @Talha
  51. anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s greatest contribution to the US/World might be exposing the naked ambition and evilness of the Ziocons. Before Trump, Ziocons lurked in the background as puppet masters, with their many plans obscured behind “diplomacy” and propaganda like “freedom” and “human rights”, now thanks to Trump they are showing their true colors. Trump has managed to expose to the whole world including all our allies who is really running America and the extent they will go to destroy their perceived “enemies” to achieve world domination — the end justifies the means. It is making our allies esp. Europe think twice about their alliance with JU.S.A.

  52. @Whitewolf

    “The democrats, some republicans and the msm have for Trump’s entire presidency opposed him on virtually everything.”

    That’s incorrect. They are actually in agreement on just about everything of any real “importance” to the agenda. They pretend to disagree about some things, yes, but that’s mostly just political theater to fool the benighted masses.

  53. Trump said “I like being energy independent, don’t you? I’m sure that most of you noticed when you go to fill up your tank in your car, oftentimes it’s below two dollars…”

    But energy “independence” has got little to do with price at the pump. The marginal barrel sets the price. If the world price for crude goes to $100/barrel, West Texas Intermediate is going to the same level and gasoline will rise to $4.00.

    Oil is at $40/barrel because the Gulf producers and Saudi Arabia want to insure a long term market for their one export product while making a lot of high cost production unsustainable and alternate energy sources less attractive.

  54. @anon

    It took World War II to remove Adolf Hitler from power in Germany. Why should anyone expect anything less to change the government of the United States?

    Because you appear to believe it was a good thing to “remove Adolf Hitler from power,” you signal that you do not have a clue how zionists took control of USA.

    Hitler was the opposition to zionist ambitions.
    Read that again: Hitler led the opposition to a zionist take-over, the very thing that is coming to a peak in the USA and elsewhere, this very day.

    NSDAP witnessed what happened and was happening in Russia; NSDAP had back-row seats to the Jewish-zionist dominance at Versailles, where the conditions for WWII were established and where Balfour was affirmed.

    Zionists conned “white” American Christians to destroy their own brethren.

    It is not a jest that the zionist theme song is “Onward Christian Soldiers” —

    After Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will was screened, US military propagandists felt the need to come up with a rebuttal, but they knew they could not match Riefenstahl’s skill.

    The best US propagandists could offer was the Why We Fight series, ostensibly produced by Frank Capra.
    The Nazis Strike, the second film of that seven-part series, is laced with New Testament references and concludes with a rousing rendition of “Onward Christian Soldiers”.

    I wrote that “Why We Fight” was ostensibly produced by Capra because at least in the case of The Nazis Strike, with its Christian references, it was written by Communist Jews Philip and Julius Epstein https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nazis_Strike and co-directed by Anatole Litvak, a Lithuanian Jew who had earlier directed the enormously successful 1939 propaganda film, Confessions of a Nazi Spy.

    It does not take a great deal of effort to scrape away the dishonest narrative veneer of the history of the world wars, but it does require enduring what is popularly termed profound cognitive dissonance — the effort demands the willingness to re-format the cognitive maps with which our culture and especially its visual field has been bombarded for over three generations.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  55. Zionists have controlled America since 1913 when they fastened their privately owned FED and IRS on the people and then came the wars and debt all for the benefit of the zionist banking cabal and with this came the slavery of the American people.

    Zionist control was on display with the 911 Israeli and zionist traitors attack on the WTC and every thinking American knows it, including congress aka the lower house of the knesset, but no one has the guts to say it or do anything about it, this is control in spades.

    Zionists are also behind the covid-19 scam and psyop, which is a plan to destroy the world and they have rolled it out in one fell swoop via their control the countries of the world via their central banks, only the zionists have the power to do this and they are using this scam to destroy the world.

    Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity, it is what they do, it is in their DNA.

  56. @Malla

    He was going to speak to the British people about the great betrayal… But before he could do so he met with an “accident” while riding his motorcycle.

    It was more than that. Laurence and other WWI vets were opposed to the warmongering of Churchill and his crowd.
    https://www.criminalelement.com/the-murder-of-lawrence-of-arabia-tony-hays/

    • Thanks: Malla
  57. The United States invaded Afghanistan, did not capture or kill Osama bin Laden due to its own incompetence,

    Just why would they capture or kill Osama bin Forgotten? The FBI stated that he wasn’t on their most wanted list, because there was no proof he was involved in 9/11. No, it wasn’t incompetence, it was the plan. the Al Qaeda boogie man Osama was much more valuable alive, even though he died in 2001.
    https://newspunch.com/evidence-shows-osama-bin-laden-actually-died-in-2001/

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  58. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Lol, the Israeli pilot looks more “Aryan” than the German.

  59. That the US openly admits to being the protector of Israel was always an open secret to many here.

    Even worse is that our ‘democracy’ is about to have an election where we are not given a chance to change the vile US foreign policy. Biden is even worse than Trump, even more corrupt, a liar that will take the US into new wars for profit. The US has an institutional block against changing its march to war.

  60. karel says:
    @lavoisier

    You must have been misinformed if you think that ”Germany sold Israel submarines”. Not really as you can find out from the link bellow. The first two submarines were donated and the third was ”hawkered” for about half the production cost.

    https://rotefahne.eu/2011/01/brd-1108-mio-steuergelder-fuer-israelische-u-boote/

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  61. @anon

    It is time to be more honest. A foreign war that the US loses may be the only way out of the political, moral and social impasse that currently afflicts the US.

    Yep. My present view is that the evil empire will only end when it is defeated in a war, but I presume the empire will resort to nukes at some point during its defeat and will bring total destruction upon itself accordingly.

    I used to hold out hope that some state would secede or at least try to secede from the U.S. but I now realize that state governments in the U.S. are so corrupt that such a thing would never happen.

    The only other possibility – and it is very remote – is that some cataclysmic natural disaster will happen before the empire starts WW3, e.g. the “big one” at Yellowstone, which will do so much damage as to make it impossible for the evil empire to continue it’s pursuit of world domination and control.

    BTW on a positive note, it looks like there is now some resistance from the private sector against the evil orange clown’s self-destructive economic war against China:
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-tariffs/some-3500-u-s-companies-sue-over-trump-imposed-chinese-tariffs-idUSKCN26G31G

  62. Talha says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    I think there are a couple of forces at work here. Jewish people tend to be more liberal than any other group, and that includes the immigration issue. Now that is at tension with some other things that they want (support for Israel), but it seems that the elite-level Zionists feel very confident at this point that they have things under control…and all signs point to this being true. I don’t think Zionists have been at a better position in their history vis-a-vis the US (and even other Western countries). You just pointed to a German official that stated that Germany exists for Israel and I just pointed out that they did their first air force drills with Germany.

    On the Democratic side, they know they can have a few loudmouths like AOC and Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, etc. to give the impression dissent is allowed. But if it gets too far, they can rein it in (as they have before).

    On the Republican side, they are fully ensconced…hell, the president’s daughter converted and married into a huge Zionist family.

    The tension between the two sides on immigration is manageable; all they have to do is run out the clock on Muslim immigration (which plenty of Americans agree they don’t want). Immigrants from India (especially with the rise of Hindutva – those guys love Israel) and other places will play along just fine; Latinos don’t particularly care all that much, neither do East Asians.

    And now with friends like UAE and other wealthy Gulf Arab states, they will get even more propaganda efforts for their team. Good thing is that two little countries aren’t really representative of a shift in the Muslim world, since the other major countries rejected normalization outright. Even Kuwait, which is basically a massive forward operating base for the West declined any normalization.

    I do think it is game over for quite a while in the West regarding opposition to Israel. Israel may collapse or have to come to the table or something due to some game changer in the Middle East, but I don’t see it happening due to lack of support from the West anytime soon.

    Peace.

    Note: This is a good analysis of various views:
    https://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/265898/american-jews-politics-israel.aspx

    • Replies: @Trinity
  63. AaronB says:

    I don’t really see why this is any different than the US protecting Germany and Europe against the Soviets or South Korea against the North, or fighting a war in Vietnam to keep it non communist, or protecting Taiwan and the Philippines against China.

    In those cases, America actually stations thousands of troops in those countries that are committed to go to war for them and in many of those cases hundreds of thousands of American soldiers have died to defend them. Moreover, America gave Germany and Japan massive loans and favorable trade terms to help rebuild their countries after the war, often to the disadvantage of America.

    America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars. The only war that one can make an (poor) argument was at least partly for Israeli interests was the Second Iraq War. Very few American soldiers died in that war.

    Even if that war was entirely for Israel, the losses of both men and money was so much less than what America lost defending countries in Europe and Asia.

    America traditionally defends Western-aligned democracies with liberal values against various despotisms everywhere in the world. If the US did not protect Israel it would be a strange anomaly, a deviation from its behavior everywhere else in the world.

    The only difference is that America is getting it on the cheap when it comes to Israel.

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which feeds into the American tech advantage and provides weapons testing and intelligence to the US. Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    None of that could be said for sat, Vietnam, or the Philippines.

    All that being said, Trump was just trying to please his Jewish donors with that remark. Any policy wonk could tell you that even if America is energy independent, Europe and the rest of the world is not. So to keep the global economy running smoothly, America has a national interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Middle East and preventing hostile actors from taking charge. If China for instance was the guarantor of peace in the Middle East, for instance, very soon Europe would find itself being forced to turn against America.

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

  64. @Oracle

    No, you are wrong. The problem with the ‘industriousness’ is that it is characterized by the principle of profit before all, no matter how immoral the activity. People who do that don’t care about a civilized society and should not be able to reap the benefits of one.

    Also high IQ isn’t exemplified by trickery, lying, subverting and eroding the morals of the host society.

    They keep posting the same garbage that has been debunked here multiple times just to derail any discussion of their parasitic tendencies.

    Such is chutzpah.

  65. Trinity says:
    @Talha

    “jewish people tend to be more liberal than any other group.”

    ROTFLMMFWAO on that one.

    First off, you can probably count the number of REAL liberals in the Jewish community all over the globe, whether it be Jew York City, Tel Aviv, or Berlin on one hand with the thumb still left. Hell, there aren’t many REAL liberals around anywhere anymore. The Whites that profess to be “liberal” or the self hating white trash that are identified by clueless “normies” as “liberal” are the antithesis of liberal, they are the most intolerant and close minded people around. And dig it, THERE ARE NO BLACK LIBERALS AT ALL.

    I would have to say I am closer to a REAL liberal than anyone I personally know and I damn sure am more liberal than any Jew, Black, or other nonwhite or the white traitor trash that HIJACKED the term “liberal.” A REAL liberal stands for the truth and condemns racism and hypocrisy like that which is on display in Israel on a daily basis and that which is on display in America 24/7/365. America does indeed have a race problem, and the problem is Jewish Privilege, Jewish racism, Jewish power and influence, Black racism, Black Privilege, Black on White violence, a corrupt and anti-White judicial system, etc. Jews and Blacks are the least liberal people on the planet, they only care for their own, they are both racist to the core, and fairness, integrity, honesty, and other positive traits largely escape the bulk of the Black race and the people who claim to be Jews.

  66. Trump Confirms U.S. Is Israel’s “Protector”

    very true Dr. Giraldi, but

    is not America now Israel’s Protectorate?

    Ala British Colonial Era Protectorates?

  67. Sparkon says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    You wrote:

    Hitler was the opposition to zionist ambitions.
    Read that again: Hitler led the opposition to a zionist take-over

    Yes, and could the Zionists have had any better man in charge of Germany than the Austrian with the little mustache, whose disastrous decisions in WWII led Germany to ruin, and helped the Zionists achieve their ultimate triumph?

    Edwin Black’s The Transfer Agreement documents cooperation between the Third Reich and Zionists to transfer European Jews and their assets to Palestine during WWII.

    Although Black is best known for books such as IBM and the Holocaust and War Against the Weak, his first bestseller was The Transfer Agreement, in 1984, chronicling the minute-by-minute dealings of Zionists and Nazis in 1933 that brought some 60,000 Jews and the equivalent of $1.7 billion dollars to under-developed Palestine. The controversial agreement rescued European Jews and assets, and helped create the Jewish State, but was the subject of a firestorm of outrage both during the 1930s and then again when Black’s book was first published in 1984.

    Author Holds Historic Event on The Transfer Agreement

    The German Army sent Hitler to infiltrate the DAP. He was given money to buy beer and sausages at DAP meetings to loosen up the attendees before he stepped up and launched into one of his impassioned rants. Hitler’s potential as a demagogue was recognized, and he was exposed to occult Aryan material from the Thule Society, which itself was a spin-off of the Germanenorden (“Order of Teutons”), a secret society founded in 1911, and the real foundation of the DAP.

    I strongly suspect that Adolf Hitler was a dupe of murky interests, including the British Crown, and the Jews, if not a willing tool of both.

    Whatever the case, Germany needed a much better man than Adolf Hitler at the helm to navigate the perilous ’30s, let alone oppose and defeat both the Bolsheviks and the Zionists. His henchmen were no better, with not a tall, handsome, blonde Aryan specimen among them. Truth be told, most of the Zionist and Bolshevik leaders were equally ugly. It’s a tough to digest that this dismal collection of lowlifes could lead humanity to such a horrifying disaster, but it happened, and we’re still paying the bills for it.

    • Disagree: SolontoCroesus
    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @SolontoCroesus
  68. lavoisier says: • Website
    @karel

    Does it get any worse?

    Donating submarines to people who hate your guts and would like nothing more than to incinerate every last one of you.

    Disgusting.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  69. Whitewolf says:
    @sally

    . If the laws of patents, copyrights and trademarks were removed from the books, large corporations like Microsoft, and Google would be just one more competitor in the world trying to make a living. Hundreds of thousands of small corporations would spring-up providing equivalent and better services than these two giants provide for prices priced at competitive price, instead of priced based on the power of the monopoly that blocks competition.

    Intellectual property is a real thing even if it exists in virtual space. Do you really think thousands of programmers are going to slave away writing software that anyone can copy and sell for a small fraction of what it cost in wages to produce? Research and development costs companies many millions in wages and equipment and they should get a return on their money if successful. That’s impossible without some legal protections to stop others freeloading off their work.

    If you take away IP protection laws there’ll be no hundreds of small corporations producing equivalent for less because there’ll be no profit in it. Why spend time and money developing new software or technology when it’s easier to just copy and sell other people’s work?

    • Replies: @Derer
  70. So how long into this evening’s event will it take Israel to be brought up? Even though this is not supposed to be a ‘foreign policy’ topic exchange. I think there are enough good domestic subjects out there but I’d say no longer than 20 min’s. Probably from Trump demanding a Nobel.

  71. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    The only difference is that America is getting it on the cheap when it comes to Israel.

    Why pay retail, goy?

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which feeds into the American tech advantage…

    Excellent choice of words, Aaron. You must, however, be more careful in preparing your carefully crafted propaganda pieces next time or you’ll face a pay cut from the MFA.

    Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    Yes, of course. Could you imagine the threat a Syrian invasion of Jordan would represent to the good people of Kansas? Thanks to Israel, these people can sleep comfortably at night.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    You’re right. Americans should count their blessings. Their future never looked brighter. Thanks to the efforts of Jewish Supremacist Organizations, Hart-Celler was passed in 1965 and America is definitely benefiting from having a more diverse population. Why, just look at most major American cities and you can see the celebrants of Diversity expressing their joy by setting fires and looting major department stores.

    All that being said, Trump was just trying to please his Jewish donors with that remark… America has a national interest in maintaining peace and stability in the Middle East and preventing hostile actors from taking charge.

    Hasbara translation: “Don’t get any ideas, goy. You’re stuck in the ME quagmire for good.”

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

    Hasbara translation: “You’re lucky we’re extracting only $38 billion as tribute, goy. With all the benefits you’re deriving from the Special Relationship, it should easily be double or triple that amount!”

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @AaronB
  72. AaronB says:
    @lavoisier

    Lol, Israelis actually like Germans and holiday there often. Its one of their favourite countries to vacation.

    Not everyone is caught up in ancient hatreds like your self. Some people move on. Gone are the days when American Jews wouldn’t buy German cars.

    Last time I was in northern India in 2016, Israelis and Germans would hang out with each other more than any other group. The group in my guesthouse I was hanging out with was composed of almost all Israelis and Germans, with only my self and an English guy. We would have great dinner parties on the roof of our guesthouse where we would buy fresh local ingredients and cook up a great meal (this was in the mountains).

    Aside from the recent pilot joint training, Israeli paratroopers have also been training in Germany recently. It was very nice to see Israeli paratroopers singing Hatikva on German soil with the Germans respectfully listening.

    Times change.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @Malla
  73. geokat62 says:
    @Sparkon

    … let alone oppose and defeat both the Bolsheviks and the Zionists.

    … slightly redundant, no? Aren’t they two sides of the same shekel?

  74. @Sparkon

    re:

    Hitler . . . was exposed to occult Aryan material from the Thule Society, which itself was a spin-off of the Germanenorden (“Order of Teutons”), a secret society founded in 1911, and the real foundation of the DAP.

    AH may have been exposed to Thule Society, but Carolyn Yeager has debunked the claim that he was part of – or heavily influenced- by Thule – occultism.
    https://carolynyeager.net/saturday-afternoon-roots-myth-national-socialisms-occult-roots

    re:

    ” [Hitler’s] disastrous decisions in WWII led Germany to ruin, and helped the Zionists achieve their ultimate triumph?”

    Which “disastrous decisions?” Be specific.

    Edwin Black quotes one of Rabbi Stephen Wise’s entries in his Autobiography, that [by or on Feb. 14, 1933] “Louis Brandeis directed that all German Jews leave Germany . . . all 587,000 German Jews must leave . . .”
    Black explains the import of that conversation between Wise and Brandeis, that took place weeks before Hitler had been affirmed in power: Black wrote that the zionist project in Palestine was threatened with bankruptcy; only the wealth and skills of German Jews could save it.

    But German Jews were comfortable & prosperous in Germany; they had to be terrorized into leaving for an undeveloped outpost in the desert: that was Wise’s job.

    Wise — and his son — sprang into action: by May, 1933 James Waterman Wise published Swastika: The Nazi Terror, the opening lines of which blare that “the swastika symbolized hatred of Jews.”. James W. Wise’s hate-filled but purposeful screed has ever after tainted a symbol broadly used by Christians, Hindus and other cultures for millennia.

    The specific number — “587,000 German Jews” is also highly significant: most historians are aware that Jewish aid societies had been transiting Jews from Poland and Russia throughout WWI and the Weimar period into the safety of Germany, such that by 1933, as many as 1 million Eastern European Jews dwelt in German. The Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that on May 26, 1933, German ambassador to US
    http://www.jta.org/1933/05/26/archive/nazi-jewish-policies-political-not-religious-dr-luther-asserts

    asserted that [NSDAP] limitation of Jewish influence in Germany was being conducted with the greatest possible consideration toward the old native Jewish families who, he said; had proven themselves good Germans and indicated that it was directed against the Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country since the War.

    Notice that the goals of NSDAP and of Brandeis’s directive are at cross-purposes: Brandeis wanted GERMAN Jews to leave Germany; according to Hans Luther, NSDAP geared its “antisemitic policies” toward the “Eastern European Jews who had overflooded the country” and not at “the old native Jewish families who had proved themselves good Germans.”

    Was it Hitler or was it the Jewish architect Erich Mendelsohn who “decided” to help USAF devise and rehearse methods of creating firestorms that were intended to, and did, incinerate German civilians’ housing, plans that were so carefully detailed that they targeted “infants in their cribs?”

    http://lcweb2.loc.gov/master/pnp/habshaer/ut/ut0500/ut0568/data/ut0568data.pdf

    Was it Hitler or was it Arthur Harris who planned and carried out the terror bombing of German cities, deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  75. @sethster

    Jews are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ whites just as whites are the scapegoats for all the deficiencies of low-IQ non-whites.

    Even if we grant this (frankly daft) ‘scapegoat’ theory, there is still one mammoth difference: ‘anti-semites’ want to separate from Jews, whereas non-whites don’t want to separate from whites.

    Geddit?

    • Agree: PolarBear
  76. @AaronB

    Not everyone is caught up in ancient hatreds like your self. Some people move on.

    Typical Jewish reality-inversion. It must come as naturally breathing to the Aaron B’s of the world.

    The idea that Jews are known for letting bygones be bygones while the rest of world smolders in ancient hatreds has me chuckling as I’m typing this.

    Then again, I suppose when you’ve realized that the average gentile is just a natural born sucker, you’d be a fool not to feed him all the bullshit you can muster.

    And actually, on the topic of Germans, I recall reading an Israeli news report in which some Jewish sociology (or similar) professor had rebuked some Israeli students for attending class in military uniforms because this disturbed the Arab students. Apparently the prof was of German Jewish extraction, and one of the commenters on the article seized on this point with a “whaddya expect from Germans?” sort of response. See, you don’t even have to be German, you just have to have some association with Germany to be afflicted with inherent Teutonic evil. But I guess that was just my lying eyes or something, because according to Aaron B, Jews are the champion forgive-and-forgetters.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  77. Uh, as the corrupt French Captain Renault in the Hollywood movie Casablanca complained when Nazi Major Strasser put pressure on him to close down Rick’s dinner club, “I’m SHOCKED, SCHOCKED to find gambling going on in here” At that moment, a man gives money to the Captain and says, “Here are your winnings sir”…. That’s the kind of relationship the U.S. has with Israel…LOL After reading this headline, most people who even follow politics a little, did NOT fall of their chairs in shock.. .

  78. @geokat62

    Excellent choice of words, Aaron. You must, however, be more careful in preparing your carefully crafted propaganda pieces next time or you’ll face a pay cut from the MFA.

    On the other hand, despite the weakness of Aaron’s arguments (weak, but not altogether moronic), that he feels forced to justify why any gentile should give a shit about Israel (or about Jews in general) is step in the right direction. It’s surely an improvement on the absurd idea that people (Americans, above all) are somehow dutybound to defend Israel or Jews, no matter what.

  79. anon[332] • Disclaimer says:

    kudos for that photo, in which Trump shows you who sheep-dipped the CIA agent charged with getting Julian Assange.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/09/29/spanish-judge-sheldon-adelson-assange-spying/

    The USA is Israel’s protector, right. And Israel is CIA’s protector. Who else could destroy the guy who showed you CIA’s illegal domestic surveillance infrastructure in Vault 7 and Vault 8 (give it up, you’re busted, the public immediately found CIA’s grubby cyber fingerprints on the boxes of CIA’s American enemies.)

    Adelson’s Jew disguise is about as convincing as James Bond’s hairy Jap disguise in Doctor No (of course Adelson’s an agent: he not only handled the top-priority Assange ratfuck, he blackmails targets from the #1 CIA enemy nation, China with gambling recordings from Macau.)

  80. AaronB says:
    @geokat62

    The people looting stores and setting fires are mainly native born American whites with some native born American blacks. Kind of hard to chalk that up to diversity.

    Financially, at least, the Jewish contribution to philanthropy in America is enormous, as well as Jewish contribution to the wealth, power, and international standing of this country, to its technology and innovation. All those things help the average American citizen.

    That can’t be denied. As one factor for American support for Israel, it makes sense to me. I don’t find it outrageous that the good people of America want to help out the mother country of a community that has done so much to help make them rich or powerful.

    I don’t think it is the major factor for said assistance, but it shouldn’t be totally discounted.

    I also wanted to contrast how other countries, like Vietnam or the Philippines, whose people did not make a large contribution to American flourishing, actually gets much more American assistance. Troops are stationed there and have died. Bitter wars were fought for them.

    38 billion is a rounding error in international aid. The billions America spends on troops stationed in South Korea or Germany, the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who died in wars there, and the lost income from generous trade terms to help build them up is vast in comparison.

    And as you know, the 3 billion per year Israel gets from America has to mostly be spent on American military equipment, so it is very much a subsidy to the American military industry. Countries generally directly subsidise key industries, but America is cleverly killing two birds with one stop. It’s could just give the money to the military industry like China or Europe would, but this also helps an ally and furthers foreign policy objectives. Smart.

    Yes, of course. Could you imagine the threat a Syrian invasion of Jordan would represent to the good people of Kansas? Thanks to Israel, these people can sleep comfortably at night

    The average citizen probably doesn’t think very deeply about foreign policy, and thank God he doesn’t have to.

    But a stable Middle East guaranteed by America keeps the global economy running, which directly benefits the good people of Kansas.

    Crazy Muslim rulers generally start off by invading one of their neighbors. Invade Jordan, and what’s next. We can’t know if the Syrian invasion of Jordan was the prelude to grander ambitions. But we did find out that America has a reliable and credible force projector in the region.

    • LOL: Trinity
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @L.K
  81. @JWalters

    Your exaggeration leads to serious inaccuracy. He nay be able to contribute to impoverishing most Americans with the cost of unnecessary wars and subsidies but there are about five other major lobbies which share ownership of Congress, in most cases also impovrrishing all but about 10 per cent.

  82. Di55ident says: • Website

    for a long time, i was confusing Mr. Giraldi w/Gordon Duff. the 2 couldn’t be any more different. Mr Giraldi is a truth teller & OG Dissident. i appreciate your courage and work Mr Giraldi.

  83. American Citizen 2.0 says:

    One thing I read once about Nuclear Weapons that has always stuck with me, and this was years and years ago, is the question: who keeps the Nuclear Weapons arsenal of the United States once we have collapsed as a functioning society? Luckily, there are so many layers of security involved in actually using a nuclear weapon from the US arsenal that we would have to willingly hand over control of our systems to another country for them to be able to make any use of it.

    So, what are we really supposed to do now? The Israelis seem to have decided that this is the point where the US should be destroyed via a racially motivated communist revolution and so all of their minions in the media and corporate life are actively working to create the conditions for a full on civil war here. Why? I think it’s because it is a lot easier and cheaper to just inherit the US nuclear arsenal and most of our military hardware (e.g. aircraft carriers and stealth bombers) after the collapse of the US government. Obviously, it’s all going to go straight to Israel.

    Why have our Republican leaders worked with globalist factions to destroy the viability of the United States as a nation? I think they realized that they can keep billions of dollars (in wealth, not necessarily US money) if they go along with selling out the country. There doesn’t seem to be anything politically we can do about it honestly. Trump has been fun in a lot of ways but the Democrats have all but threatened to destroy America as we know it in pursuit of some weird race utopia and the Republicans have all but capitulated.

    I am no longer opposed to the collapse of the United States government but I wish that a) as it collapses some of the wealth that is being transferred to Israel and Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates etc would be divvied out to the rest of us too so that we too can escape and b) it would happen faster rather than drawing out this whole national impoverishment and humiliation.

    We have no where else to go and we are being backed into an obviously genocidal corner by Israel and Africans under the banner of communism. At best we will end up like Brazil or Mexico or South Africa. Alternatively we could just descend into Somalia-style warlord driven conflict while the rest of the world mines our resources and sucks the last bit of money from whatever remains of the country we used to have.

    But we need to stop passively sitting around watching these elites re-engineer civilization for their benefit exclusively. I don’t know how we can stop it since it’s all always just something on TV or on the Internet. We have no access to power and no franchise. We are not a part of the clique that is deciding the fate of the world. That’s obvious. We are passive spectators who are being menaced, threatened, and goaded into violence by the media and our political elites. But why?

  84. @Talha

    But is there not an interesting question raised, if, as appears to be the case, it was not “they” but Trump who “announced their posituon to the world”. Why did he do it? Was it calculated and deliberate or was it just Trump’s instinct to say something striking?

    • Replies: @Talha
  85. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    The mere fact he felt compelled to out his own demons and embarrassingly display his own paranoid fear of being taken out back and shot is fairly conclusive he’s as you imagine him to be, a Woody Allen who’s paranoia is marked by insanely unwarranted grandiosity. He’s purging his angst in which the Jewish id pops out from the depths in the form of their unique cruelty molded by cowardice, such as the horrors inflicted on innocent victims in the abattoirs of the Kiev Cheka. This is one sick man who writes like a scribbler in the mad house.

    • Replies: @Trinity
  86. Derer says:
    @AaronB

    “or fighting a war in Vietnam to keep it non communist,”

    This assertion on little Vietnam contradicts the Nixon/Kissinger Chinese “kiss” that enhanced the communists in China with grave consequences.

    “Moreover, America gave Germany and Japan massive loans and favorable trade terms to help rebuild their countries after the war, often to the disadvantage of America.”

    Not true! Familiarized yourself with the post war measures against Germany and the Marshal plan dispersal. Germany, as a most destroyed country, was only minor benefactor, UK for hiding in bunkers was the major benefactor.

    “If the US did not protect Israel it would be a strange anomaly”

    What is extremely strange anomaly is the absent protection of aboriginal inhabitants of Palestine. In fact, US supplied arms are used for slaughter of disposed and landless Palestinians.

    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power”

    Whom that wealth of Jewish community was dishonestly extracted from – Christian experimental group? The created system and Boesky, Milligan, Madoff and others provided the way.

  87. vot tak says:
    @anon

    Very interesting graphic, thanks. That israel is dark blue is expected, since zionazia determines american un moves. But india is a surprise, given modi & co.

  88. AaronB says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, I hang out with Jews all the time, and there just isn’t anymore any obsession with modern day Germany. And I was referring more specifically to Israelis, who don’t have negative feelings towards modern Germany at all. Schnitzel is a national dish in Israel.

    Whether or not Jews are more forgiving than other peoples, I do not know any Jew who talks about gentiles the way people on this site talk about Jews. The commenter I was responding to is definitely more trapped in ancient hatred than any Israeli I know.

    I don’t understand your anecdote. The liberal Jewish German prof was the one being sensitive to Arabs, and the writer condemned this as an example of Nazi villainy? That makes no sense.

    The guy might have been alluding to the fact that Germany takes in a lot of Arab refugees, so someone from Germany might be expected to be especially sensitive to Arabs.

    Or simply to the fact that German Jews are known to be the most liberal group in Israel.

    Either way, it wasn’t a slur on Germany, unless the writer was an extreme right winger and was saying Germany produces an excessive amount of liberals. But even that’s not a Nazi slur.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  89. @AaronB

    The article was on a rightwing site (I forget which) and everyone thought the professor was an anti-zionist bitch. So it was a short step to link her anti-zionism to some inherent “German” opposition to Jewish interests.

    For that comment to have even been made, I have to suspect that anti-German thoughts and feelings had been floating around in that commenter’s head for quite some time.

    It’s like my own kneejerk anti-Azeri comments on Karlin’s original war thread. It didn’t require any thought at all. I’ve always despised Islam, so muzzies starting a war against non-muzzies is automatically going to incur my wrath.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  90. AaronB says:
    @silviosilver

    It might have been one crazy guy. Its hard to say. But I’ve never heard right wing Jews insult liberal German Jews by references to their German background.

    I’m not saying it couldn’t have happened, it just seems not generally in line with how Jews insult each other.

    Either way, I’m sure there are some Israelis who hate Germans. In fact I’m sure of it, because there is always someone who hates someone. But overall Israelis don’t care anymore.

  91. @Ugetit

    When I was in kindergarten years ago, because I had a German surname, my classmates and older kids beat me up and drew a Nazi emblem on my coat in black crayon. My older cousin in the US military was killed during WWII. I often wonder what happened to those guys who beat me up.

  92. anon[957] • Disclaimer says:

    Jew fragility! Waah! Waah! Waahbaby, Waah!

    https://mondoweiss.net/2020/09/fundamental-disrespect-for-israel-aocs-rabin-reversal-roils-supporters/

    JAP dynast Bari Weiss shakes her scolex in whiny nasal rage. It’s the No-locaust!

  93. Trinity says:
    @Anonymous

    It could be the result of inbreeding with that one. Definitely one sick puppy for sure.

  94. @AaronB

    I fucking hate those “reliable and credible force projector in the region.”

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @lavoisier
  95. @sethster

    Congratulations, that’s very Jewish!

  96. Talha says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hey WoO, it’s been a while – hope you’re well.

    it was not “they” but Trump who “announced their posituon to the world”.

    It is interesting if you use “they” only for Jews. I’m talking more about the elites, specifically Zionist elites – and Trump fits the bill quite well. I’m not sure there has been as pro-Zionist a president as Trump. I don’t think any other president had coins minted comparing him to King Cyrus:
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/israeli-group-sells-special-edition-trump-coin/story?id=55096698

    Why did he do it?

    To give it some gravitas. If some lobby group says it, well – that’s just a lobby group. But if the president himself declares it, then that is a statement of policy just as much as if he said at some press conference something like; “Our recent influx of currency in the East Asian markets was to destabilize Indonesia.”

    Trump’s instinct to say something striking?

    I think Trump is a better actor than he has usually let on; his statements are calculated, even when they seem to be off the cuff

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  97. @vot tak

    USA: Founded and built by WASPs; Stolen by PARASITES.

    • Replies: @vot tak
  98. ‘…As guarantor of the agreement, Washington now has an obligation to intervene on the behalf of the parties involved…’

    On the bright side, since we no longer honor our agreements in the first place…

    • LOL: Talha
  99. @sethster

    ‘…Are you all bark, or are you prepared to bite? Come on, let’s see what you can do! Any of you fucking pricks bark, and we’ll execute every motherfucking last one of you!’

    How’d this work out for the Jews the last time push came to shove?

    • Replies: @sethster
  100. @lavoisier

    ‘Germans are a totally deracinated and brainwashed people.

    Germany sold Israel submarines capable of launching nuclear missiles!

    A more cucked-up people are impossible to find!

    It should be no mystery how Jews have gained such control over the Gentile.

    It was granted to them, willingly.’

    Of course, one could look at this another way…

    Germans represent one tenth of one percent of humanity. They have become this subservient because they feel so bad about killing a third of the world’s Jews.

    So…at this rate, how much of the world will the Jews be able to reduce to the condition of Germany before it all becomes moot?

    After all, we all feel bad about what we did to the American Indians. That really doesn’t do most of the American Indians much good.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  101. @AaronB

    “America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars. ”

    I guess, like moat apologists for the Zionist enterprise, you have chosen to forget the USS Liberty.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  102. Wally says:
    @JWalters

    While Zionism existed before, and there were many myths / excuses used by Jews to seize the region, the actual founding of Israel became possible due to the effects of “holocaust” propaganda, fake and impossible as it was / is.

  103. sethster says:
    @Colin Wright

    Worked out great. They conquered an entire country and got the world’s greatest economy to run security for them for free. And it will work even better next time when we genocide everyone below 130 IQ.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  104. @AaronB

    “Even if that war was entirely for Israel, the losses of both men and money was so much less than what America lost defending countries in Europe and Asia.”

    Exactly. Why would the USA fight a war which cost trillions, killed for 4,000 Americans, wounded thousands more, destroyed Iraq, brought ISIL to power and killed a couple hundred thousand Iraqis entirely for the benefit of a foreign country, israel? It makes absolutely no sense!

    But all those clever israel supporters like Wolfowitz, Perle, Libby, Feith in government and folks like Judith Miller at the NYTs seem to have convinced us of a whole bunch of total lies about Iraq and Saddam, stories which were known to be false even as they were being told.

  105. Notsofast says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Seymour hersh has said the cia flew him and other fighters out of tora bora and into pakistan. A live bogeyman is worth 20 dead ones.

  106. @AaronB

    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top business…”

    You mean like the Sacklers, Bernie Madoff, Harvey Weinstein, Epstein, etc.?

  107. lloyd says: • Website
    @sethster

    I am sorry you went off your head in a characteristic Jewish way at the end. But the beginning paragraphs I generally agree with you. In my public relations job in New Zealand, I can’t help noticing the few white folks working in it appear to be amost all of Jewish descent. I have an atavistic sentiment towards them. Even in Unz review, the witty worth reading for own sake columnists are Jews. Ilan Mercer is hysterical and tiresome but she is a Jewish woman. I can’t think of an exception. There is that Flipino woman but she is a Filipino. Derbyshire is good but quickly becomes a bore on genetics. Since last century, Western politics and culture with its slickness and image focus has suited Jews. Did they create them? Did blacks create jazz?

    • Replies: @sethster
  108. Sparkon says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Hitler’s most disastrous decision was in seeking solutions through direct military action.

    He was an egomaniac. He failed to recognize or appreciate the power of the forces aligned against him, both in terms of their industrial capacity, and also the poisonous propaganda potential of their press.

    During WWII, the Americans, British, and Soviets all had long range medium and heavy bombers, but the Germans failed to field a successful heavy bomber during the war.

    Shortly before the invasion, German engineers were given a guided tour of Soviet industrial complexes and aircraft factories in the Urals from 7 to 16 April, and evidence of extensive production was already underway. Their reports to the OKW went unheeded.

    Lead engineer and military air attaché, Oberst Heinrich Aschenbrenner, sent a stark warning that Soviet production was more sophisticated and advanced than first assumed. Hitler’s reaction was to speed up preparations; “You see how far these people are already. We must begin immediately”. Hermann Göring was told by the experts, from Daimler-Benz, Henschel and Mauser that one aero engine factory in the Moscow region was six times larger than six of Germany’s largest factories put together. Göring was furious with the report, and dismissed it. He believed they had fallen for a Soviet bluff. Intelligence reports regarded as negative by the OKL were usually dismissed.

    [my bold]
    Axis and Soviet air operations during Operation Barbarossa — Supporting Industry

    By then, Hitler had allowed the BEF to escape destruction at Dunkirk. It was a huge mistake, but as he was to demonstrate over and over, Hitler was a terrible warlord with a penchant for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Hitler decided to seek solutions by going on the warpath, but then allowed a mortal enemy to escape instead of dealing it a smashing defeat that might have knocked that enemy out of the war, leaving no runways for enemy bombers to blast your factories and burn your cities flying from Blighty, nor safe harbor for any Allied expeditionary forces setting out from there to land in France.

    The B-17 dropped more bombs than any other U.S. aircraft in World War II. Of approximately 1.5 million tons of bombs dropped on Nazi Germany and its occupied territories by U.S. aircraft, over 640,000 tons were dropped from B-17s.

    The first prototype of the American Boeing B-17 flew already in 1935.

    It should be noted that the Third Reich was plagued with spies and traitors, probably none worse than Adm. Canaris, who reportedly advised Franco to keep Spain out of the war because Germany would lose, and also that the Wehrmacht was too weak to invade Spain and seize Gibraltar.

    Beyond Dunkirk and Barbarossa, more of AH’s disastrous decisions include declaration of war on the United States, Stalingrad, Kursk, meddling with the Me-262…

    • Replies: @vot tak
  109. Wally says:
    @AaronB

    said:
    “Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities”

    That’s laughable. Some lengthy facts:

    Jews in US admit “Israel First” : http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/bluntly-firsters-politics/
    The True Cost of Parasite Israel – Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/
    Israel’s $38 Billion Scam: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-38-billion-scam/
    Four Presidents Conspired To Give $100 Billion to Israel – Secret White House Letters Buttress Ongoing US Arms Export Control Act Violations: https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/06/24/four-presidents-conspired-to-give-100-billion-to-israel/
    The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion:
    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html
    Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security:
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs/
    Israel has representation in the US Govt, but no taxation. In fact the Zionist parasites grab billion upon billions of taxpayer money every year.

    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.

    Two Israeli Companies Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media
    US’s NSA hired secretive contractors with extensive ties to Israeli intelligence to establish 10 to 20 wiretapping rooms at key telecommunication points throughout the country.:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-impact-of-nsa-domestic-spying-2013-6#ixzz3NxPMujNo
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    How Israel and Its Partisans Work to Censor the Internet
    https://www.unz.com/article/how-israel-and-its-partisans-work-to-censor-the-internet/?highlight=wikipedia
    The Zionist attempt to control language / The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY: https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf

  110. Has anyone written a detailed unironic book or even article about the benefits of our relationship with Israel? There has to some good to come out of this…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  111. Anon[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Its in Israel’s best interest that the USA remain white majority. Thats the voting constituency that cares enough about them to commit the military to come to her aid. The minorities here would not vote to do that.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  112. sethster says:
    @lloyd

    The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing Iron Man suits with which they plan to make the planet habitable to high-IQ people. And this will entail getting rid above all of low-IQ whites who blame their low IQ on Jews.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Colin Wright
  113. @JWalters

    If you can stand to watch and listen, and not puke your guts out, subject yourself to the video from a few years ago of a joint session of Clowngress on their rear hooves, cheering and applauding every little ook and eek that issues forth from the ex-furniture salesman from Noo Joisey’ s matzoh hole in our debased Federral Halls of Power.
    One Megaton Thermonuclear or an Airburst Neutron Device would have done SO much Good at that time…of humiliation, embarrassment and shame.

    A pox on all their houses, the vile scum.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  114. @sethster

    #110 coming right up, Shloimy.
    Find a rock to hide under, soon.

  115. Derer says:
    @Whitewolf

    That’s impossible without some legal protections to stop others freeloading off their work.

    Actually deceiving monopolists like Microsoft are freeloading off others. Gates started this idiotic software protection after stealing from others. He became monopoly not by expertise but by illegal contracts supported by Washington “Enron” culture. Other countries had no chance. The “Excel” is illegal un-patentable copy of Lotus 123 or Quattropro. Similarly, Facebook is illegal un-patentable copy of Hi5 etc, etc.

  116. Trinity says:

    IF America were a healthy nation, we would kick Israel to the curb and tell her no more free rides, no more money for nothing and chicks for free, I they want MTV, then show me the moola, Shlomo.

    Israel doesn’t give two shits about America and even attacked the USS Liberty in broad daylight. How many times has Israel been caught spying on America? Jonathan Pollard, anyone? And who can forget the 5 Dancing Israelis caught celebrating as thousands jumped to their deaths or were burned alive in a pair of towering infernos formerly known as the Twin Towers or World Trade Centers. Which brings us to more current events like Epstein Pedophile Island. Since the (((Plandemic))) the Epstein/Maxwell story has been forgotten by almost all of the dunderheads that inhabit the earth. After all we live in the era of Tik Tok and most people can’t remember what they ate for breakfast yesterday.

    It is high time for America the mama bird to kick little baby Israel bird out of the nest and let it learn to fly on her own. After all, why are Jews so dependent on America, Germany and others to survive? Aren’t these people supposed to have such high IQs? Isn’t their military supposed to be so bad ass? Instead of being a tiny overachieving nation of badasses like National Socialist Germany, Israel is nothing more than a spoiled little welfare state that would probably be an obscure little sandbox if not for mo gibz from our paid off Israel Firster politicians. Let Israel learn to behave herself and respect her neighbors, that way she wouldn’t have to have the big, bad bully America fight her battles for her.

  117. @Anon

    You’re right about that. It would be best for the jews that America remains white as we have been fighting their wars and doing their bidding for the last 100 years.

    However, they don’t see it that way, and their atavistic hatred for white Christian people will be their undoing.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  118. @AaronB

    ‘…America stations no troops in Israel and no American soldier has died in Israel’s wars…’

    Joao was right: you seem to have overlooked 1967.

    Also, on exactly whose behalf do you think we invaded Iraq?

    Zionists should be seen and not heard. We see you, Aaron; but you don’t need to post. We get it.

  119. @sethster

    ‘Worked out great. They conquered an entire country and got the world’s greatest economy to run security for them for free. And it will work even better next time when we genocide everyone below 130 IQ.’

    There goes Aaron and Fran. You too, I suspect.

    I suppose the question is whether your losses are proportional with each round, or fixed.

    A third each time and you’d be around for a while; like the Parsis, eventually, but around.

    At six million a shot? Maybe you wouldn’t make it all that long.

    But hey: ask the Holocaust deniers. Maybe it wasn’t six million. It might not be so expensive.

    Go for it.

  120. geokat62 says:
    @sethster

    The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing…

    A Greek who purportedly speaks for the Jews?

    In the immortal words of John Lennon, “Most peculiar, mamma!”

  121. @Robert Dolan

    ‘You’re right about that. It would be best for the jews that America remains white as we have been fighting their wars and doing their bidding for the last 100 years…’

    Off-topic, but it really would be best for just about everybody — outside of the Middle East — if we stuck around.

    Even China needs their biggest market. And Mexico needs somebody to watch out for them.

  122. @Old and Grumpy

    Perhaps! Time will prove one of us right…

  123. vot tak says:
    @Sparkon

    “During WWII, the Americans, British, and Soviets all had long range medium and heavy bombers”

    The Soviets had 2 types of heavy bombers. The TB-3, an obsolete design dating back to the early 1930’s. They had built around 800 of these before ceasing production in the late 30s, but they were obsolete, short ranged and not suitable for a long range heavy bomber role. They were used as both day and night bombers early in the war, but phased out as newer light and medium 2 engine bombers became available. The TB-3 continued in use for special operations and in auxiliary roles till the war’s end.

    The other heavy bomber design, Pe-8, was more modern but only 100 or so were built. They were used in very small numbers throughout the war in the usual heavy bomber roles.

    The Soviets relied upon medium and light bombers, much like the Germans did. The small number of heavies the Soviets fielded made little impact and Soviet heavy bomber use should not be considered anything like that of the uk and us reliance upon this type.

    Both the germans and the Soviets relied mainly on tactical bombing, army support and anti-ship, rather than strategic. Heavy bombers are not very suitable for such a role. The germans saw their air force as an extension of their army and didn’t see a need for a heavy bomber. The Soviets initially designed bombers for both the strategic and tactical roles, but essentially dropped the strategic requirements when the war necessitated they build types better suited to direct army support.

    On the other hand, the americans and british saw their air forces as being mainly strategic and seriously neglected the tactical roles in the years leading up to WW2.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wielgus
    , @vot tak
    , @Sparkon
  124. @AaronB

    Moreover, Israel is an innovative tech hub which feeds into the American tech advantage and provides weapons testing and intelligence to the US. Israel also acts as a projector of US power in the region – Syria halted its plans to invade Jordan in the 70s when Israel mobilized its forces to prevent it.

    1. Unlike a lot of other countries the US gives military aid to, Israel is not obliged to spend 100% of it on American arms and indeed a uses a fairly sizeable proportion of the aid to develop its own military-industrial complex. This has had the effect of creating a new competitor for US arms manufacturers.

    2. Israel sells US technology to China, such as the Phoenix AAM, Patriot SAM, and Lavi fighter jet. Not very worthy of the title of Greatest Ally.

    3. By “weapons testing”, do you mean bombing Palestinian population centres? Very psychopathic of you to glibly refer to it as ,”testing”, as if it is being done on some range.

    Finally, the Jewish community in America probably makes the largest contribution to American wealth and power through taxes and through its broad and diverse philanthropic activities in funding hospitals, charities, and schools, as well as providing a lot of the manpower for its top businesses.

    Where would America be without the Jews, likely just a backwater of course, thankfully Jews decided to philanthropically grace the American Goyim with their presence and now America is a superpower.

    Supporting Israel is not only a part of America’s larger commitment to supporting democracies around the world, but also a part of its power projection in the Middle East.

    Jews wanted a homeland, I get it, I can’t oppose such an endeavour morally speaking when I advocate it for my own group. But why did some Eastern European Jews need to create their new state in Palestine apart from some pseudo-historical justification? Furthermore, what happened to the a land without people for a people without a land? Why do we have to subsidise the retarded decisions made by Jews to establish a state in the middle of a hornet’s nest?

    Jewish Arch-Neocon theorist Michael Ledeen writes in his book The War Against Terror Masters what the mission of America is in his view:

    Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. … [W]e must destroy them to advance our historic mission.

    In reality this is just what Jewish power lobbyists wanted, you can feel Ledeen channelling his inner Lev Bronstein in the above passage.

    Jews should really be kept away from positions of power, particularly foreign policy and banking.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AaronB
  125. lavoisier says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski

    Indeed. They have caused untold misery and strife throughout the region and the world.

    A revolution needs to occur in Israel and among Zionists. They need to get better and fast.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  126. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Few if any Germans alive today have ever harmed any Jews.

    This has to stop.

    Jews are eternal victims and never victimizers is a lie that has led to enormous death and suffering throughout the world.

    It is currently used as a smokescreen for the genocide being perpetrated on the Palestinian people and allowing the most egregious crimes against humanity today.

    This has to stop.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Trinity
  127. vot tak says:
    @AaronB

    “America stations no troops in Israel”

    Like everything else that websayan writes here, that is simply a lie.

    US breaks ground for new permanent base in Israel

    https://www.defensenews.com/breaking-news/2017/09/18/us-breaks-ground-for-new-permanent-base-in-israel/

    “The American base, officers in Israel say, will be an independent facility co-located at the Israel Defense Forces Air Defense School in southern Israel, near the desert capital of Beersheba. Once completed, the base will house U.S. operational systems to identify and intercept a spectrum of aerial threats, along with barracks, recreational and other facilities required to support several dozen American air defenders.

    While the new U.S. base marks the first to be co-located within an Israeli base and the first in which active interceptors are to be deployed, the U.S. military has operated an independent facility for nearly a decade in the same general area of Israel’s Negev desert. That facility — which is operated only by Americans without an Israeli presence — houses the U.S. AN/TPY-2, an X-Band radar that is integrated with Israeli search and track radars to augment early warning in the event of ballistic missile attack from Iran.”

    There are also many american military personnel temporarily stationed in israel at any given time.

  128. Trinity says:
    @lavoisier

    Hmm, not to mention the genocide of Whites as well. Forgive me for worrying about Whites a tad more than Palestinians, I guess that makes me a “White Supremacist.” Seems like every time you turn up an anti-White stone or label there is a Jew underneath it all. 109 times? Do (((these people))) attract trouble or are they the problem? Without a doubt, Jews are front and center leading anti-White organizations like (((BLM))) and (((Antifa.))) not to mention America’s premier hate groups like the $PLC and the ADL. After all we all know that Jews helped turn South Africa into what it is today. Is America next? Meanwhile, traditionally White nations can’t kiss Israel or Jew backside enough, never mind that (((these people))) are behind flooding OUR nations with hostile nonwhite invaders who are nothing more than human WMD to our people and our nations.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  129. @sethster

    ‘The writer isn’t Jewish, he’s Greek. He, Trump, Musk and the Jews are developing Iron Man suits with which they plan to make the planet habitable to high-IQ people. And this will entail getting rid above all of low-IQ whites who blame their low IQ on Jews.’

    This does raise the question. What do you imagine your IQ to be?

  130. @Sick of Orcs

    ‘Has anyone written a detailed unironic book or even article about the benefits of our relationship with Israel? There has to some good to come out of this…’

    I would guess Dershowitz has offered up whatever claims there are to be offered up: The Case for Israel.

    • Thanks: Sick of Orcs
  131. @lavoisier

    ‘…A revolution needs to occur in Israel and among Zionists. They need to get better and fast.’

    I’d argue that’s essentially a contradiction in terms. The more intelligent and morally fastidious the Jew, the less likely he is to be a Zionist.

    Think about all the Jews you are actually willing to concede are admirable in some respect. How many are Zionists? Now think about all the utterly repellant, grossly deficient vermin. How many of those?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  132. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Well, 74 percent of US military aid to Israel must be spent on US goods and services. Compare that to the expense of keeping troops in Germany and South Korea.

    America has a veto on Israeli sales of technology to China. The Israelis wanted to sell the Israeli version of the Phalcon system to China, but the Americans completely stopped it. America also stopped Israel from letting China operate its strategic Haifa port.

    Israel is very submissive to American demands about sharing technology, because the American alliance is far more valuable than any benefit to be gained. And America is not shy about putting its foot down in this area. Israel always complies. The Chinese, it was reported at the time, realized that they had overestimated the extent to which Jews can influence America, and that the Americans were firmly in control.

    Israeli weapons development is something that benefits America as well. All technology is shared with America, and breakthroughs that are of benefit to America are achieved. Various Israeli systems are used in the US military.

    By weapons testing, I’m referring to things like Israeli first use of American fighter jet technology against Soviet technology which the Arabs were using, which decisively proved the superiority of American technology in competent hands. Also, Israel constantly operates American technology against the most sophisticated Russian supplied air defense systems, and shares with America all lessons learned about how to defeat them. Israel is the first country to use the F-35 fighter jet in combat, and I am sure much valuable info was gleaned and shared.

    Where would America be without the Jews, likely just a backwater of course, thankfully Jews decided to philanthropically grace the American Goyim with their presence and now America is a superpower

    .

    Not at all. America is a rich and powerful country largely due to the hard work and ingenuity of its non-Jewish population. It would be a superpower even without a single Jew. But it’s undeniable that Jews have made an oversized and unique contribution to this. This doesn’t detract from the achievement of non-Jewish Americans, but it doesn’t seem outrageous that Americans might want to help the Jewish mother country.

    Jews wanted a homeland, I get it, I can’t oppose such an endeavour morally speaking when I advocate it for my own group

    Thank you, I appreciate that. I think every distinct group needs the space and peace to practice its culture without interference.

    But why did some Eastern European Jews need to create their new state in Palestine apart from some pseudo-historical justification? Furthermore, what happened to the a land without people for a people without a land? Why do we have to subsidise the retarded decisions made by Jews to establish a state in the middle of a hornet’s nest

    Well, you may not realize the centrality of the Land of Israel to Jews. It is the focal point of our culture and religion. For centuries Jews have prayed to return. A substantial part of the religious law applies only living in the land. Every rock, hill, and tree reminds us of some part of the Bible. It is the place of our national myths, our national literature, and our spiritual aspirations

    That being said, Jews understood that it would be immoral to uproot people living in our land through violence. That is why the Jews bought up mostly unused wasteland through legal means, and merely wanted to be a sovereign community on legally acquired land, mostly empty. The Jews accepted nearly every proposal that granted the Jewish community sovereignty and the Arab community sovereignty on their respective lands. The Arabs refused each one and tried to conquer the Jews.

    This conflict is about Arab imperialism.

    In reality this is just what Jewish power lobbyists wanted, you can feel Ledeen channelling his inner Lev Bronstein in the above passage

    I don’t support this kind of constant innovation, but isn’t it really a feature of capitalism and the scientific revolution, and the Enlightenment?

    I realize Jews are overrepresented in these kinds of things, but they don’t seem particularly Jewish, and they’ve undermined Jewish traditions as much as anyone’s. Many Jews today abandon the faith and intermarry.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  133. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Trump just made your comment irrelevant, he told the truth “that we are only in the Middle East to protect Israel.”

    The US military must be in the ME because you Jews are so justifiably hated. The populous of Israel’s neighbors all hate and loath them. Only the dictator ruling class make disgusting kissy face with the Jews.

    Clearly, we are there only because Trump wants to be a historical hero figure for his Jewish grandchildren.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  134. Donald Trump is making choosing to sit out the election easier.

    Well done, Mr. Blormph. Well done.

  135. @Talha

    Calculated to give it gravitas? Maybe. It could then be passed around amongst Zionists who could be motivated to support Trump.

    • Replies: @Talha
  136. PolarBear says:
    @sethster

    Left, right. Black, White. Dumb, smart. Most people in general are dumb. Every group is getting sick of Jews though. Jews are too paranoid to accept any goy that isn’t 100% their bitch. As a result, the Jews allies are the epidome of weak.

    • Replies: @sethster
  137. Talha says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    King Cyrus needs coffers to run campaign ads, bro.

    Peace.

  138. Anonymous[150] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Thanks. I usually catch a lot of hasbara troll irrelevance as rebuttal here. It’s late, I know, but have you been watching the so-called debates? It’s hard to believe, at least for this New Yorker who’s worked with Jews on the Street, that Americans are such idiots as to miss that Chris Wallace is DJT’s opponent, not lounge lizard Joe.

    Well, as Spengler put it, life, if it is to be good, must be hard, so let’s at least recognize that no group will suffer more under the “reset” than the Jews and white (former Christian) Karens promoting this vengeance under the guise of social justice. Men love war. The left forgot to take this into consideration. Theirs and the suburban liberal Karens’ goose is cooked. It should be fun for those of us who were insulted for having served in combat in Vietnam and having these couch potatoes spit in our faces all these years.

  139. sethster says:
    @PolarBear

    Everyone who has a problem with Jews is dumb. If given a choice of living among white trash that peddle Jewish conspiracy theories or with Jews, I am on the first flight to Jerusalem. Anti-semites are even more disgusting than liberals.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
    , @BloodSpirit
  140. @Art

    ‘Clearly, we are there only because Trump wants to be a historical hero figure for his Jewish grandchildren.’

    That’s not fair. We’re there because Trump wouldn’t be President if he tried to do different.

  141. @AaronB

    ‘…Israel is very submissive to American demands about sharing technology, because the American alliance is far more valuable than any benefit to be gained. And America is not shy about putting its foot down in this area. Israel always complies…’

    Sigh. Dunno why I bother.

    ‘Israel has a long record of getting U.S. military technology to China.’

    https://www.military.com/defensetech/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china

    I’ll save some time and assume the rest of your post is just more of the same.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  142. @AaronB

    Well, 74 percent of US military aid to Israel must be spent on US goods and services.

    Which is 26% less than allowed to any other country on earth. Israel alone receives this special exemption. You also fail to mention that nearly 40% of the Foreign Military Financing funds Israel receives from America support its domestic — rather than military — budget.

    That being said, Jews understood that it would be immoral to uproot people living in our land through violence.

    Well, no … That’s what they wanted others to think. The reality on the ground was far different.

    From Uri Ben-Eliezer’s War Over Peace: One Hundred Years of Israel’s Militaristic Nationalism:

    The first substantial Jewish military organization formed in the Yishuv (the pre-state Zionist-Jewish community) was Hashomer (the Guard). The organization’s immediate goal was to replace Arab guards with Jews, but its underlying objective was far more ambitious. Hashomer promoted the image of the New Jew: strong, healthy of body and mind, and muscular—the diametric opposite of the weak, dependent Jew of exile. Moreover, its members were the first Zionists to develop the theory of conquering the land by force. The organization’s founding meeting discussed the need to liberate the people and the homeland and to establish a Jewish state. The meeting was held under the slogan “In blood and fire Judah fell, in blood and fire Judah will rise.” The poem from which these words were taken also includes the words: “We have arisen and returned invigorated youths … [t]o redeem our oppressed land! We demand our heritage with a mighty hand!”

    During a visit to Palestine in 1911, the writer and literary critic David Frishman had no doubts about the character of Hashomer: “Rather than guarding themselves, they provoke others. Their main concern is that others should know that the people that lives here is tough and rash, so that they will always be afraid.” He warned that the day was coming when their Arab neighbors “will finally awake and unite, and suddenly recognize that they have strength and might; and then they will take their revenge.” [emphasis added]

    Of course, as the record makes clear, these were not the first zionists who considered using force, but otherwise Ben-Eliezer’s depiction of Second Aliyah Marxist extremists is spot on: they were among the most significant direct fomenters of the Palestinian conflict well before Brandeis and the Parushim brought about the Balfour Declaration.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  143. L.K says:
    @AaronB

    AaronB == Disgusting LYING ZIONIST TROLL.

  144. When Trump gave Netanyahu the key to the White House, Netanyahu probably smirked and said, “Thanks, I’ll add this to my collection.”

  145. @sethster

    peddle Jewish conspiracy theories

    Noxious anti-semitic conspiracy canard anti-semitic theory canard. Mix and match as you please, we know the drill.

    That said, there really are a great number of so-called ‘anti-semites’ who are excruciatingly moronic. Nothing good can come from such losers. I have to believe that at least a few of them are plants. (Too bad for the rest of us if they’re not!)

    • Replies: @BloodSpirit
  146. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    There’s the rub, is it not?

    I agree that it is the Zionists and their extremism that is the fountainhead of the destruction of the West.

    But how are we to get a handle on this? Is it even possible to get a handle on what is happening?

    Americans meekly continue to support a group of people who are bad for everyone. Israel has to be the worst ally a nation could ever have.

    And now there is a push making criticism of Israel or Jewish behavior a crime in so called “free” societies. It already is a crime in much of Europe.

    After watching the debate tonight and listening to the commentary I felt a tremendous sense of despair. Between our fealty to Zion and a ridiculous reverence for all things black we seem to have no other function to exist at all.

    We are in free fall as a nation, as a people. I think this decline is in large measure due to the corruption of our institutions and our willingness to be corrupted.

    I am ashamed we allowed it to happen. And so easily!

    We are a captive people willingly going to our destruction.

    My despair really stems from an acute awareness that so many of us really are like sheep indifferent to the peril we face.

    We need a frank discussion about race, as well as a frank discussion of whether overwhelming control of our institutions by one group of people is good for the rest of us.

    If tomorrow the Irish controlled the media, Hollywood, finance, and were the overwhelming donors to both political parties AND we were engaged in wars on their behalf I would start to ask some questions about this control and the health of the republic.

    Can Americans do this? It does not appear so.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  147. @lavoisier

    lavoiser – you have summed up the issue perfectly! Thank you!

    “We need a frank discussion about race, as well as a frank discussion of whether overwhelming control of our institutions by one group of people is good for the rest of us. If tomorrow the Irish controlled the media, Hollywood, finance, and were the overwhelming donors to both political parties AND we were engaged in wars on their behalf I would start to ask some questions about this control and the health of the republic. Can Americans do this? It does not appear so.”

  148. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Which is 26% less than allowed to any other country on earth

    Umm, other countries get direct aid that doesn’t have to be spent on American goods, or they have American troops stationed there ready to fight and die for them, or they have American soldiers actually fighting and dying for them by the tens of thousands, or they get favorable trade terms that harm Americans.

    The remarkable thing about aid to Israel compared to other countries is how little it costs America and how much they get in return.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AnonStarter
  149. AaronB says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    A discussion about Jewish influence could be had if people criticizing Jewish influence didn’t immediately become insane and extremist.

    You need to ask yourself if a site like Unz helps in that regard. If all the anti Jewish commenters here help in that regard.

    When discussing Jewish influence becomes a front for insane, often genocidal, hatred of Jews, its not really surprising that normal people don’t want to have that discussion.

    Like Silviosilver says, its almost as if the anti Semites here are plants.

    There is an article by Andrew Joyce, prominently displayed by Unz, that rejects the middle man theory about Jews because it doesn’t make Jews seem innately evil enough.

    Should normal decent people be willing to discuss Jewish influence with people who write or agree with stuff like that?

    God has blessed us with the stupidest enemies we have ever had, whose malice makes them blind.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Art
    , @Colin Wright
  150. @Colin Wright

    I’ll save some time and assume the rest of your post is just more of the same.

    Pretty much.

    A123 is actually more honest than Aaron. At least he doesn’t pretend that zionists intended to do anything other than remove Arabs from their land from the onset.

  151. @Philip Giraldi

    Thing is … That frank discussion is happening only among those willing to have it — for example, right here — and that will always be the way of the world. The only way that might change is if you compel it from a position of power, and that would require applying the method and means of your ideological opponents.

    People here need to come to terms with the fact that the change they envision isn’t likely to happen except in very close circles. Act locally. It’s okay to organize and move as one body along ideological lines; this is something about Jews that Americans should emulate. The Satmar command an entire township in Kiryas Joel and there’s no reason to think it impossible for others to do something similar elsewhere in rural America. No, American law is not Talmudic law. For all of the corruption it’s suffered, it still works to protect your convictions.

    You just have to use it.

  152. Any t-shirt artists out there?

    The Unz Review: Where hasbara comes to die

  153. @sethster

    Anti-Semites like Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, ect. were probably the best Americans. Most White trash likely just agrees with the Jewish narrative presented by the mainstream media.

  154. @silviosilver

    Highbrow anti-Semitism is healthy. Typically nothing good comes from a moron, the problem is not related to anti-Semitism itself.

  155. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    God has blessed us with the stupidest enemies we have ever had, whose malice makes them blind.

    See, I told you they think we’re all just dumb goyim!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  156. geokat62 says:
    @lavoisier

    We need a frank discussion about race, as well as a frank discussion of whether overwhelming control of our institutions by one group of people is good for the rest of us.

    Frank discussions? Unfortunately, at this stage of the game, our adversaries are in no mood to discuss anything with us deplorables. In the bogus politically correct framework they’ve manufactured, those who oppose the hallowed principles of progressivism are vile enemies that are in desperate need of disposal, not discussions, to safeguard their dystopian future.

    They do not want to discuss anything with us. They want to, at best, send those of us who can be re-educated to re-education camps… and, at worst, those who cannot be re-educated, cut off our heads via the guillotine!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  157. @AaronB

    other countries get direct aid that doesn’t have to be spent on American goods

    Yes, but you weren’t mentioning non-FMF aid. You explicitly stated, “74 percent of US military aid to Israel must be spent on US goods and services.”

    No other country is allowed to use 26% of its military aid as Israel does. Moreover, no other country gets away with allocating 40% of FMF aid for its domestic budget.

    Israel receives one-fifth of the total U.S. aid budget, and that’s just the transparent money, which doesn’t include the interest it accrues due to early disbursement of its aid, special loan waivers, grants and endowments, etc. No other country comes close.

    they have American soldiers actually fighting and dying for them by the tens of thousands

    Which, in recent memory, has only occurred in the Muslim world, where Americans are as a result of Israeli mendacity.

    Trump originally ran on a platform of scaling back America’s military presence throughout the world, one which garnered just enough voter support to put him over the top in 2016. It’s a good platform. Too bad he seems unable to actually realize it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  158. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Can you name an incident where America demanded Israel not sell technology to China and Israel went ahead and did it anyways. Especially large military systems which make a big difference on the battlefield.

    I have no doubt there have been breaches and technology has been transferred, especially small systems and technologies. There are rogue soldiers and officers who sell weapons and arms to the Palestinians. A surprising number of Hamas terrorists sport IDF issue weaponry and uniforms.

    But if Hamas gets its hands on an Israeli nuclear sub or an F-35, then we are talking about something. Let me know when the Chinese get their hands on an Israeli F-35.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  159. @AaronB

    The remarkable thing about aid to Israel compared to other countries is how little it costs America and how much they get in return.

    Walt and Mearsheimer actually put the lie to this kind of statement quite effectively. From a realpolitik perspective, Israel’s influence has been net negative, both domestically — where it wages war against freedom of expression — and internationally, where its war has caused immense human suffering.

    In this regard, the cost for America is incalculably steep.

  160. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    American foreign aid comes in many forms, each tailored to the circumstances of that particular country.

    Japan gets troops stationed there to defend it and can divert the billions it would spend in defense to its economy. That is much more than 24% of three billion. It also got for a long time favorable trade terms worth countless billions.

    Moreover, the military technology Israel develops with American aid is shared with America, so its more R&D investment than aid. Tech companies invest in Israeli R&D – why shouldn’t the US military.

    Which, in recent memory, has only occurred in the Muslim world, where Americans are as a result of Israeli mendacity.

    America defends Western aligned democracies with liberal values against tyrants and despots. It did it in Vietnam and Korea and it is now doing it in the ME. It is not my fault than Israel is a Western aligned democracy with liberal values and the Muslim countries of the region are mostly illiberal despotisms. Only you can change that – and if you did, I guarantee America would come to your aid too.

    I still remember world war two and the Korean and Vietnam wars. Say your worst about “American wars for Israel”, there is simply nothing comparable to this in America’s relations with Israel.

    We can discuss whether American aid to Israel is good policy, but you brand your self as irrational when you deny that American assistance, both military and economic, to other countries has been vastly greater.

    As for why America is in the Middle East, even Giraldi admits America had an interest in ensuring the smooth flow of oil to the world economy.

    American energy independence is a recent achievement, well after the Iraq wars. Trump may be sucking up to his Jewish donors by saying we are, at this point, only in the ME for Israel (which would be perfectly in line with American policy of defending liberal democracies even if true), but every one knows American interests require it to ensure oil flows smoothly to the global economy.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @AnonStarter
  161. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    I don’t see anything in your quotes that says the mainstream Zionist community wanted to uproot local Arabs.

    At a certain point, some factions among the Zionists began to understand that it would require “blood and fire” to defend themselves. That local Arabs were imperialistic and wanted to seize Jewish villages and land even if they could live peacefully in their own villages.

    There were also ultra liberal factions that held on to the dream that local Arabs would accept them peacefully.

    Rather than guarding themselves, they provoke others. Their main concern is that others should know that the people that lives here is tough and rash, so that they will always be afraid.”

    Ok, so a liberal European Jew comes into the middle of a fight and doesn’t understand what’s going on. After being constantly attacked, Jewish guards began adopting a more assertive posture.

    You might want to ask yourself why they needed to cultivate a reputation for being rash and tough – people usually do that to deter attacks. A small, outnumbered community can only survive in the face of constant attacks if it adopts an aggressive posture.

    After the Arab Revolt of 1937, the Peel Commission concluded the problem was the two communities did not get along and proposed dividing them. The commission recommended the Arabs be given most of the land and the Jews a tiny sliver (I think like 13% of mandatory Palestine).

    The Jews accepted this plan. Why would they accept such a tiny sliver if they had all these aggressive demands?

    And why did the Arabs reject this plan?

    Again in 48, the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected. Again in 67. And again in the 90s and the 00s.

    That being said, Zionism, like all political movements, was complex and had many currents and counter currents. It also evolved in response to local Arab aggression. There were factions that wanted to expel local Arabs. There still are. Producing isolated quotes from extremist factions, or excerpts from diaries or letters of Zionists where ideas are floated, or focusing on particular periods of tension without giving the context and using that as “characteristic”, is much less compelling than simply looking at what the mainstream Zionist community said and did in its official pronouncements and acts.

    In 37, it accepted a tiny sliver of Mandatory Palestine. In 48, it accepted another division that once again favored the Arabs.

    An expansionist aggressor doesn’t behave like that.

    And then 67, the 90s, etc…

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  162. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    As for why America is in the Middle East, even Giraldi admits America had an interest in ensuring the smooth flow of oil to the world economy.

    Do you have a reference?

    … but every one knows American interests require it to ensure oil flows smoothly to the global economy.

    You should’ve contacted Mearsheimer and Walt. They would’ve altered the thesis of their book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, in which they provided irrefutable evidence that oil was NOT the motivating factor for invading Iraq… the Lobby was.

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  163. AaronB says:
    @geokat62

    Do you have a reference?

    Its in the first few paragraphs of this article.

    I wasn’t talking about the second Iraq war, but about the general American presence in the region – the idea that America has no business being there.

    That does not make sense from a realpolitik perspective. If America leaves, China or some Arab dictator becomes the new power in the region. Now Europe has to kowtow to this new power if it wants to get oil. And they may demand policies that are unfavourable to America.

    It’s a simple calculation, and it also informs America’s general policy of propping up liberal democracies on the understanding that the more the world is made up of liberal democracies the better it is for America.

    Saying America is in the ME only for Israel is on the same unintelligent level as claiming Israel has received more aid than say, Japan or Germany.

    Both issues can be debated, but the starting point has to be simple common sense and honesty.

    And please understand – I would fully support America being in the region solely to support Israel as part of its policy to prop up liberal democracies. America did that in Asia and Europe at far greater sacrifice and expense. It would be pretty weird if America didn’t do it in the case of Israel.

    In fact that would require explanation – supporting Israel is just what America has been doing around the world.

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  164. @AaronB

    American foreign aid comes in many forms, each tailored to the circumstances of that particular country.

    American foreign aid is driven by hegemonic ambition, not the support of democracy. (America’s support of Saudi Arabia versus Yemen is a good example.) When and where it spends that money, it is doing so to — as you say — “project power.”

    The nexus of this projection is Washington D.C., where, more than any other interest group, Israel enjoys such influence that any given foreign policy directive would simply not be enacted were it considered bad for Israel; their control is just that effective.

    Here is the crux of the problem, not the silly argument that other countries benefit more than Israel in terms of the largesse they receive from America. Japan doesn’t stand in violation of hundreds of U.N Security Council resolutions, nor does it institute the kind of apartheid and oppression that Israel does. What’s more, Japan isn’t using its lobbyists as a vehicle for suppressing freedom of speech in America. It isn’t seeking to impose restrictions against academic liberty upon America’s institutions of higher learning as Israel does. American social media platforms aren’t succumbing to pressure from the Japanese lobby.

    Whether you remember WWII, Korea and Vietnam is irrelevant. They are history, over and done with, yet Israel’s hegemonic wars at home and abroad are happening as we speak, and American support for them demands persistent opposition from anyone claiming to act in America’s best interests.

    You don’t. We get it.

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  165. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    Its in the first few paragraphs of this article.

    Lol! Writing…

    For many years the security framework in the Middle East has been described as…

    is slightly different than claiming…

    As for why America is in the Middle East, even Giraldi admits America had an interest in ensuring the smooth flow of oil to the world economy.

    You made it seem as though Giraldi was in favour of attacking Iraq to secure access to ME oil. I was a little dubious regarding the veracity of your statement since I’m privy to the fact that Giraldi, being previously a foreign policy advisor to Ron Paul, advocates a non-interventionist foreign policy.

    It’s a simple calculation, and it also informs America’s general policy of propping up liberal democracies on the understanding that the more the world is made up of liberal democracies the better it is for America.

    Liberal democracies are better for America? If that were true, why would she staunchly support authoritarian regimes, like MBS or el-Sisi?

    No, the big beneficiaries of liberal democracies is Supremacist Jewry. They are infinitely easier to subvert than most other forms of government. And boy have they subverted them! Just look at the damage they’ve been wreaking on them by opening the floodgates to mass immigration.

    Saying America is in the ME only for Israel is on the same unintelligent level as claiming Israel has received more aid than say, Japan or Germany.

    I know, I know… we’re all dumb goyim for thinking this. I apologise on behalf of all my fellow dumb goyim.

    Both issues can be debated, but the starting point has to be simple common sense and honesty.

    Honesty? Coming from the mouth of the Unz Review’s foremost hasbarist, this is chutzpah to the nth degree!

    And please understand…

    Oh, believe me… I understand.

    In fact that would require explanation – supporting Israel is just what America has been doing around the world.

    Yes, your right. America has the same kind of relationship with the Jewish state that it has with Japan or Germany. One question, though… when someone mentions the Special Relationship, which country comes to mind?

  166. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    I was simply concerned to correct the impression that Israel has gotten more largesse from America than anyone else, which seems to be the impression around these parts. In fact, Israel has gotten significantly less than many other countries, and benefits America in a variety of ways that countries who Americans have sacrificed much more for, like Vietnam, do not.

    Secondly, I was concerned to correct the impression that protecting Israel was a strange departure from American norms that could only be explained by the power of the Jewish lobby.

    Clearly, America has an impressive track record of supporting liberal democracies against illiberal regimes around the world, and Israel is a liberal democracy surrounded by illiberal foes.

    I have no problem having a discussion about whether America should support Israel the way it does – but the point of departure can’t be extreme exaggerations and misperceptions.

    As for current aid to Israel, America still stations troops in South Korea and Japan. Japan still saves untold billions not having to really have a defense sector. And American soldiers are right now prepared to die defending those countries.

    These are ongoing examples of American aid that should be compared to American aid to Israel.

    The nexus of this projection is Washington D.C., where, more than any other interest group, Israel enjoys such influence that any given foreign policy directive would simply not be enacted were it considered bad for Israel; their control is just that effective

    .

    This is, of course, hyperbole.

    What is actually happening is that liberal democracies have an overriding primary interest of defending each other from illiberal foes, as well as helping spread their form of government to make the world safe for them.

    So even if, say, a policy that would earn America money clashes with a policy needed to defend Israel, the overriding interest would be to defend a fellow liberal democracy. Making money would be a secondary interest.

    Now, if you can show me where, say, Israel and another liberal democracy have disputes purely on trade, and America always sided with Israel, then you’d have a better case. Or where America helps Israel at the expense of imperilling another liberal democracy, you’d have a better case.

    But in practice, such conflicts rarely arise.

    Japan doesn’t stand in violation of hundreds of U.N Security Council resolutions, nor does it institute the kind of apartheid and oppression that Israel does

    Sure, by a General Assembly that is heavily biased, and that has no legally binding power.

    Israel does not have an apartheid system. It is a multi-racial country with liberal values that gives full rights to all its citizens regardless of their background. Arab Druze can become generals commanding Israel’s best infantry brigades. The Arab minority gets special privileges – they are exempt from onerous military service, with the option to volunteer if they so choose, and are given affirmative action at universities.

    Japan, on the other hand, would, I’m guessing, not allow an Arab to command its infantry brigades.

    What’s more, Japan isn’t using its lobbyists as a vehicle for suppressing freedom of speech in America. It isn’t seeking to impose restrictions against academic liberty upon America’s institutions of higher learning as Israel does. American social media platforms aren’t succumbing to pressure from the Japanese lobby.

    Israel is only concerned with defamations against itself, not with academic liberty or free speech.

    The general tendency of our times is towards speech restriction. I find this regrettable, but it isn’t primarily a Jewish issue. Yes, Israel is riding this trend and hoping to turn it to its benefit, but so is every one else. Arab and Muslim groups also push for speech restriction, and even Thailand tries to prevent American social media from allowing criticism of itself or its king. China, of course, is very aggressive on this front.

    So its a global worldwide trend. I don’t support it, but it can’t be reduced to Israel.

    Israel is trying to suppress only the most extreme defamation against it, not ordinary criticism. None of that is of much concern to ordinary Americans, while Muslim culture and society encourages far greater speech restriction and are known for creating illiberal societies – I think we should be much more worried about Muslims gaining cultural influence.

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  167. @AaronB

    At a certain point, some factions among the Zionists began to understand that it would require “blood and fire” to defend themselves.

    No, that’s not how it went.

    Ben-Eliezer details how the Second Aliyah faction became frustrated at the lack of employment opportunities, as the First Aliyah immigrants had employed Arab labor for farming and guarding. Out of this frustration they adopted such slogans as “the conquest of labor” and “conquer the guard.” He describes their outlook as a “zero-sum game,” quoting a Hapoel Hatzair leader as saying, “An essential condition for Zionist fulfillment is that all the labor vocations in the country must be conquered by Jews.”

    Additionally, we can examine the statements of Ahad Ha’am in 1891, well before the Second Aliyah, in which he confesses to the terrible treatment of Arabs by immigrant Jews. Ha’am was among those “ultra liberal” Jews to whom you allude, one whose vision was entirely overridden by Hashomer type militants very early into the zionist project. He described the political ethos of Muslim controlled Palestine as “one of unlimited freedom,” which greatly undermines your claim that Arab aggression toward Jewish immigrants was the spark that ignited conflict in Palestine.

    “The Arabs started it” is the linchpin holding up the entirety of your argument, and since that linchpin is broken, your argument collapses.

    The indigenous Arabs of Palestine were never under any legal or moral obligation to accept any arrangement that gave even a hectare of land to Jews with a lengthy track record of hostility to their existence, which is why they rejected the Peel Commission proposal that gave more than three times as much land to Jews as they legally owned, as well as the ’47 Partition Plan, which allotted approximately 8 times as much land to Jews as they legally owned.

    Producing isolated quotes from extremist factions, or excerpts from diaries or letters of Zionists where ideas are floated, or focusing on particular periods of tension without giving the context and using that as “characteristic”, is much less compelling than simply looking at what the mainstream Zionist community said and did in its official pronouncements and acts.

    This is really quite a weak argument. You’re essentially saying that any given history is understood better by an official government version of events than it is by examining as much of the totality of primary source material as is possible.

    Lame.

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  168. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Philip Giraldi

    Thank you Mr. Giraldi for having the courage and the intelligence to say what needs to be said and to stand up for justice.

  169. Huh ? Trump ain’t the first one to say that. It’s been this way since 1948.

  170. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ben-Eliezer details how the Second Aliyah faction became frustrated at the lack of employment opportunities, as the First Aliyah immigrants had employed Arab labor for farming and guarding. Out of this frustration they adopted such slogans as “the conquest of labor” and “conquer the guard.” He describes their outlook as a “zero-sum game,” quoting a Hapoel Hatzair leader as saying, “An essential condition for Zionist fulfillment is that all the labor vocations in the country must be conquered by Jews.”

    Ok, but I fail to see why this is sinister. A big part of the Zionist critique of European Jewry was that they were too intellectual and unused to physical labor.

    The idea that physical labor was spiritually rehabilitating was current in that era (and I believe fundamentally correct).

    The Jewish community wanted to do physical labor on their own land and in their own villages. No one was talking about preventing Arabs from doing likewise in their own land and villages.

    Modern agricultural techniques was to be shared with Arab farmers, forests planted, and the land better irrigated, benefiting every one.

    As for Ahad Ha’am quotes, he is in fact known as an overly sensitive liberal, but I’m quite prepared to concede that he witnessed Jews acting with contempt and disrespect towards local Arabs. Its often hard to understand what is going on from the outside. When I travel to India, I find that I am swarmed with beggars and aggressive touts, and that if I don’t adopt an initial posture that is far harsher than I’d like, I will get into trouble.

    Ahad says he witnessed Jewish bosses treating Arab workers with contempt – but how does he know that those Jewish bosses didn’t find through experience that those workers would take advantage of them if they did not?

    In the Third World, there is often a culture of extreme hierarchy where bosses treat workers harshly. Coming from a sheltered and pampered Western lifestyle, I have found that being too nice simply doesn’t work. You get taken advantage of. The local culture is what it is – you can’t reform it.

    I’m not making the case that the Zionists were angels. There was a huge civilizational divide between the two groups, which became more and more apparent as time went on, and which was making it increasingly clear that the only solution was a separation.

    The indigenous Arabs of Palestine were never under any legal or moral obligation to accept any arrangement that gave even a hectare of land to Jews with a lengthy track record of hostility to their existence, which is why they rejected the Peel Commission proposal that gave more than three times as much land to Jews as they legally owned, as well as the ’47 Partition Plan, which allotted approximately 8 times as much land to Jews as they legally owned.

    Three times as much land as they owned, but empty state land. How much more land than the Arabs legally owned were they getting?

    You’re acting like someone was going to take land owned by Arabs and give it to Jews, when you know that’s not the case.

    No one has a “moral” right to own any land that he is not directly cultivating for his own and his family’s survival. In moral terms, you can’t need only one acre to feed your family, but say, yep, the next 100 acres are mine too, and claim you have “moral” right to it. Everything else are social fictions – contracts – created by humans – the idea that the state “owns” vast tracts of empty land no is using a social agreement, not a “fact”. The idea that the Palestinian community would have a “moral” right in perpetuity to land it is not using to feed itself cannot exist – it would merely be a social agreement that is based on a set of common rules that humans invented about how to parcel out Gods green earth. Where does that land end, what are its borders. Why does suddenly a different group of people called Syrians “own” land near ours.

    All this is a based on an agreed upon set of rules, they are social contracts. They have no objective reality.

    However, there is a moral dimension to these social rules. As long as they are applied fairly, there is a sense that they shouldn’t be lightly violated, because they promote peace and stability.

    Palestine was part of an empire – the local Arab community simply didn’t own the surrounding land according to the prevailing social rules. And certainly there can be no “moral” right to own land hundreds of miles away you’re not using.

    Jews came in according to the prevailing social rules. Several international commissions examined the issue and concluded that a fair application of the social rules meant dividing the two communities and granting each empty land.

    What you are basically arguing for is not a “moral” right or a “natural” right – but for the power of your community to dictate the social rules – and invent the social fictions – that dictate how humans divide Gods green earth.

    Nor are the Palestinians indigenous to the area. Like every one else on planet Earth, we all came from somewhere else, ultimately Africa.

    Another aspect of the social rules usually considered is that of a “nation” – a group of people with distinguishing characteristics who have lived for a long time in a particular area and whose characteristics derive at least partly from that. But the Arabs in Palestine were indistinguishable from those elsewhere in the region, and did not have an identity bound up with living there.

    Your friend Talha came to America under the agreed upon social rules and probably owns property by now, I believe in Chicago. Suppose the American government in Washington breaks up – there is no central enforcer of social rules anymore that keeps peace between communities. Talha and people like him can’t get along with other groups in the region. An international commision comes in and concluded the two communities should be divided and given empty land in Illinoise.

    Do I, a native born American living in New York, have a “moral” right to the empty land in Illinois granted to Talha’s community?

    These are social games. And it is your community that cannot accept it no longer has the power to dictate the rules.

    This is really quite a weak argument. You’re essentially saying that any given history is understood better by an official government version of events than it is by examining as much of the totality of primary source material as is possible.

    Lame.

    No, I’m saying that actual behavior shows intent much better than speculation, and that one has to do a comprehensive analysis to reach conclusions, not a piecemeal analysis.

    That the Jewish community was promised the entirety of Mandatory Palestine by the British, but was repeatedly willing to settle for tiny slivers of it, immediately gives the lie to the claim that they were an inherently expansionist aggressive community.

    That fact alone is enough. Instead of poring through teams of obscure letters, look at the large facts on the ground.

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  171. Art says:
    @AaronB

    A discussion about Jewish influence could be had if people criticizing Jewish influence didn’t immediately become insane and extremist.

    Correction:

    A discussion about Jewish influence could be had if people criticizing Jewish influence, aren’t immediately accused by Jews of being insane and extremist.

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  172. @Philip Giraldi

    That was indeed quite well said by lavoisier.

    If I’m not mistaken, I think that observation originated with David Duke (although he used Italians rather than Irish in his hypothetical). Would you have the guts to congratulate Duke on his insight, Phil? I wouldn’t necessarily hold it against if you didn’t. I’ve struggled with it myself. When I first encountered it, I had to agree it was good insight – whatever else you might think about Italians in that hypothetical case, you’d at least deign to notice that they were, in fact, Italians and not just some generic ‘Americans’ – but it made me wonder whether, by agreeing it was a good insight, I was not also somehow agreeing that “the nazis are right.”

    Duke, I think, has been in many ways unfairly maligned – particularly in his more moderate guise. But he has also been, I have to say, quite fairly maligned. There’s no question in my mind that his views were formed within the hardcore milieu of neo-nazism. In that harsh worldview, not only do the rest of us have to be sent packing, we should also be punished (maybe even killed) for the great crime of living in too close proximity to the sacred White Man (defined in those days overwhelmingly in terms of Anglo-Saxon/Teutonic/Nordic terms). So what are you to do? If you agree the Italiain hypothetical is a good insight, the right thing to do would be to say so. But what kind of a morality is it that would require you to cut your own throat?

    So while it’s very easy to issue calls that we need this discussion or that discussion, you had better have a good idea of where it could all lead before you charge ahead.

  173. @AaronB

    I was simply concerned to correct the impression that Israel has gotten more largesse from America than anyone else

    Yes, we know, but you’ve failed to do so. Israel’s reception of 20% of America’s foreign aid budget is an irrefutable matter of public record, not to mention what it receives off the books. The fact of American military assistance to other countries doesn’t support your contention, since most of those military bases weren’t originally established at the invitation of their host countries, nor does the claim that said countries “benefit” from said occupation consider the fact that they really have little say in the matter unless they want to confront great hardship at the hands of America itself.

    Clearly, America has an impressive track record of supporting liberal democracies against illiberal regimes around the world

    Jingoistic rhetoric.

    America has an impressive track record of supporting regimes friendly to the hegemonic objectives of its administrators, and an even more impressive track record of undermining and destroying polities that won’t toe its line. As may be proven through countless examples, political ideology has little to do with it. It will throw its weight behind a tyrant if it considers that tyrant to be an expedient asset, then dump him at the first opportunity.

    This is, of course, hyperbole.

    No, it is not.

    For the sake of brevity, I’ll cite but one major example: laws throughout Europe which criminalize historical revisionism concerning Jewish suffering during WWII. America has never imposed sanctions on the allegedly “liberal democracies” for such a flagrant assault on academic freedom, thereby helping Israel while imperiling the freedom of citizens in these states.

    Liberal democracies don’t prefer Israel over free speech.

    Sure, by a General Assembly that is heavily biased, and that has no legally binding power.

    No, by a Security Council whose resolutions are legally binding. Check your beloved Wikipedia.

    Israel does not have an apartheid system.

    Just a handful of examples tells us otherwise:

    Israeli city revives historic mission to keep out Arabs
    Israeli death penalty for terrorists won’t apply to Jews
    Israel’s war on the Arabic language
    ‘Hundreds of thousands can’t marry in Israel’

    And that’s in geopolitical Israel alone, setting aside the myriad varieties of legal discrimination that most Arabs confront regularly. The Occupied Territories, of themselves, provide even more evidence that belies your position.

    Token Arabs don’t make your case. They merely prove an exception to the general rule.

    Israel is only concerned with defamations against itself, not with academic liberty or free speech.

    Utter nonsense.

    Israel wants to legally punish legitimate, truthful commentary about it, equating with anti-Semitism entirely factual observations such as “Jews effectively dominate American institutions of government, media, education and finance.” It has passed laws against constitutionally-protected boycotts in 60% of the United States and Trump’s Executive Order effectively targets academic freedom on American campuses.

    I disown any Muslims who follow in such footsteps, and my sentiment in this regard is a verifiable matter of record here. Yet those Muslims do not possess even a scintilla of the power that Jews do in chilling free speech.

    Israel is the single most aggressive opponent of free speech in liberal democracies today — bar none. Looking to other nation-states is just more tu quoque b.s. intended to deflect attention away from this fact.

    Something for which you have gained a stellar reputation here.

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  174. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    That the Jewish community was promised the entirety of Mandatory Palestine by the British, but was repeatedly willing to settle for tiny slivers of it, immediately gives the lie to the claim that they were an inherently expansionist aggressive community.

    That fact alone is enough.

    That fact? Coming out of the mouth of the hasbarist who likes to appeal to honesty?

    While the first half of your sentence – the Jewish community was promised the entirety of Mandatory Palestine by the British – is true, the second half – but [the Jewish community] was repeatedly willing to settle for tiny slivers of it – is a blatant lie.

    Excerpt from, An Expansionist State? Did Israel ever have any intention of honoring either the 1947 Partition Plan or 1967 borders?:

    A well-worn chapter of Israel’s creation myth explains its conquests thus: When in November 1947, the United Nations proposed partitioning Palestine into two states (General Assembly Resolution 181), Israel’s founders embraced the offer with gratitude, whereas the Palestinians scoffed at it and attacked the fledgling “Jewish state”.

    The result of this alleged Palestinian intransigence? The “fundamental fact”, as the pro-Israel spin-doctors at CAMERA put it, is that had the Palestinians accepted partition, there would have been a Palestinian state since 1948, “and there would not have been a single Palestinian refugee”.

    This is more than bizarre rationalisation for seven decades of imperialism and ethnic cleansing; it is historical invention. The Zionist movement never had any intention of honouring any agreement that “gave” it less than all of Palestine. Mainstream leaders like the “moderate” Chaim Weizmann and iconic David Ben-Gurion feigned acceptance of partition because it handed them a weapon powerful enough to defeat partition: statehood…

    https://www.juancole.com/2019/10/expansionist-intention-partition.html

    Just read the rest of the article, if you’re truly interested in FACTS, which you’re clearly not.

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  175. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Saying America is in the ME only for Israel is on the same unintelligent level as claiming Israel has received more aid than say, Japan or Germany.

    There is a lie behind every sentence that AaronB writes.

    We have troops in Japan and Germany, so that after WWII, they did not have to rearm themselves.

    The opposite has happened with Israel – the more we subsidize them the more belligerent and warlike they become.

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  176. @AaronB

    and Israel is a liberal democracy

    This the image it strives to portray to the world, in order to reap the benefits you cite, however it is not really a liberal democracy. Fundamentally, it is a Jewish democracy, which is a very different animal.

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  177. @AaronB

    No one was talking about preventing Arabs from doing likewise in their own land and villages.

    Jabotinsky was more honest: “We may tell them [the Arabs] whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them, but they know what we want.” There are others we could quote who spoke with similar candor, but you’d likely claim they were quoted “out of context.” Not hardly.

    Your rationalization of Ha’am’s observation is duly noted, but it actually makes the case that zionists felt compelled to be aggressive from the beginning in order to attain Greater Israel.

    As for the age-old “state land” argument, it’s been dismantled and proven specious. Again, for the sake of brevity, I refer you to the following analysis:

    Under the Guise of Legality: Declarations of state land in the West Bank

    Nor are the Palestinians indigenous to the area. Like every one else on planet Earth, we all came from somewhere else, ultimately Africa.

    Lol

    Straw-grasping if I’ve ever seen it.

    No, I’m saying that actual behavior shows intent much better than speculation, and that one has to do a comprehensive analysis to reach conclusions, not a piecemeal analysis.

    Ah, but that is exactly what I do and precisely what you do not do.

    Quite often, you make assertions devoid of any supporting evidence. You regularly disregard comprehensive analysis and advance nothing but the flimsiest variety of conjecture.

    To wit, [t]hat the Jewish community was promised the entirety of Mandatory Palestine by the British, is not established fact. It’s pure hasbara, bare-boned propaganda that deserves no consideration in respectable academic circles.

    You’re the epitome of what you criticize, Aaron. Even your florid lamentations about post-Enlightenment era inhumanity ring hollow when juxtaposed against your sangfroid defense of Israel’s criminality.

    Physician, heal thyself.

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  178. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Yes, we know, but you’ve failed to do so. Israel’s reception of 20% of America’s foreign aid budget is an irrefutable matter of public record, not to mention what it receives off the books.

    Sure. The billions that Japan saves by not having to have a real army is also on the books. The tens of thousands of American soldiers who died for Vietnam and Korea are also on the books. That America guarantees Taiwan again at invasion is also on the books. The numbers don’t lie. Most other beneficiaries of America have gotten a much sweeter deal than Israel.

    nor does the claim that said countries “benefit” from said occupation consider the fact that they really have little say in the matter unless they want to confront great hardship at the hands of America itself

    .

    America could insist Japan pay America a percent of its economy based on what the average country spends on defense.

    And if South Korea asks America to close its bases, I don’t think it would face any hardship from America.

    America has an impressive track record of supporting regimes friendly to the hegemonic objectives of its administrators, and an even more impressive track record of undermining and destroying polities that won’t toe its line. As may be proven through countless examples, political ideology has little to do with it. It will throw its weight behind a tyrant if it considers that tyrant to be an expedient asset, then dump him at the first opportunity.

    That’s quite an extraordinary claim to make. I am sure that if one does a tally of all the regimes America has supported, most if not all will have been more liberal than whoever they were fighting, with the majority being outright liberal democracies.

    Off the top of my head, I can think of Europe in the first and second world wars, Vietnam, South Korea, Taiwan, and Israel.

    Now, certainly the US will ally with a strongman against a worse strongman, and then work against at a later date. That’s consistent with a policy of supporting liberalism.

    I may be wrong, but I cannot think of a single instance where the US supported an illiberal regime against a liberal democracy.

    You may think this is all a sham and underneath it all its just power politics, but the apparent facts are the apparent.

    For the sake of brevity, I’ll cite but one major example: laws throughout Europe which criminalize historical revisionism concerning Jewish suffering during WWII. America has never imposed sanctions on the allegedly “liberal democracies” for such a flagrant assault on academic freedom, thereby helping Israel while imperiling the freedom of citizens in these states.

    I find this to be quite a remarkable example for you to choose.

    It’s well known that occasionally, liberal principles of tolerance clash with liberal principles of free speech or promotion of amity. There is a certain range within which each liberal state can negotiate its own accommodation between conflicting liberal principles.

    Its quite obvious that revisionism about Jewish suffering in WW2 is generally used to promote intolerance of Jews. So it’s obviously a liberal principle to support tolerance for all communities.

    I personally don’t support criminalizing revisionism, but I can understand others can come to different conclusions also based on liberal principles.

    Liberal democracies don’t prefer Israel over free speech.

    Of course not. But promoting tolerance is a liberal principle.

    No, by a Security Council whose resolutions are legally binding. Check your beloved Wikipedia

    Please show me which Security Council Resolutions Israel is in violation of. And where this is recognized with a formal declaration by the SC (not just your interpretation).

    Israel does not have an apartheid system.

    Just a handful of examples tells us otherwise:

    Well, by definition a handful of cases can’t tell us otherwise. We need a comprehensive analysis. Every system has abuses, and every system has elements that contradict its main principles, which is why we have to look at all the facts, not just select some.

    You have a bad intellectual habit of trying to make single examples characterize a complex situation.

    Either way, I can see already that your articles have problems. For instance, the second article – what this means is that Israelis can’t get the death penalty for terrorism, not Jews. Israeli Arabs are similarly immune. And it is the result of a technicality, of the fact that it only applies to military and not civilian courts. And it was proposed legislation. I don’t think it passed.

    Israel wants to legally punish legitimate, truthful commentary about it, equating with anti-Semitism entirely factual observations such as “Jews effectively dominate American institutions of government, media, education and finance.” has passed laws against constitutionally-protected boycotts in 60% of the United States and Trump’s Executive Order effectively targets academic freedom on American campuses.

    First of all, I think its the American Jewish community leading these efforts, not Israel. Although I’m sure Israel is happy with it.

    Secondly, I agree with you that I don’t support these restrictions on speech. I don’t support any of the restrictions currently sweeping the world.

    There is no push to criminalize speech or boycotts. Say what you want and boycott what you want. What there is, is a law that US government institutions and their employees – which includes public schools – cannot participate in such activities against Jews and Israel.

    And again, Israel only seeks to restrict negative speech about themselves, especially extreme speech aimed at destroying Israel. While I don’t support that, this is of little concern to most ordinary Americans and is not broad-based desire to suppress speech in general on a range of social issues and effectively create an illiberal society. Muslims societies do want broad based social policing.

    Its true that Muslims don’t have the power to implement Sharia now, but they would if they could. And that is a bigger threat to most ordinary Americans.

    So while Israel does play a role in trying to restrict negative speech about itself, its false to say it’s the biggest threat to free speech just because that’s your let issue.

    Something for which you have gained a stellar reputation here

    When have I ever expressed a desire to suppress free speech? When I mocked your friend Talha, you threatened to sue me.

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  179. @geokat62

    Love your passion, geo, but Britain never promised all of Mandatory Palestine to the Jewish community:

    The world has never supported a Jewish State in all of Palestine

    Haim Weizmann famously declared in 1919 that with mass Jewish immigration Palestine would eventually become “as Jewish as England is English.” The British flatly rejected Weizmann’s assessment. The White Paper of June 1922 noted in reference to Weizmann’s prediction, that His Majesty’s Government had “no such aim in view.” Moreover the British government had never contemplated “the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language or culture in Palestine.” The British reiterated that the Balfour Declaration did not “contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded ‘in Palestine.’” [emphasis added]

    Keep up the good fight.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  180. AaronB says:
    @Art

    That’s really the rub, isn’t it.

    What’s considered insane.

    To me, and apparently to most decent people in a liberal society, an article like the recent one by Andrew Joyce, in which he says Jews are irredeemable for genetic reasons, is insane.

    It’s also not an invitation to debate and reach a compromise or accommodation, but a declaration of war on a minority. Similarly, Colin Wright’s contention that Israel should not be regarded as a state among others, capable of reform, but can only be extirpated, is a declaration of war rather than an invitation to reach an accommodation.

    And the countless articles on this site attributing the world’s evil to Jews. Now the insane label can be disputed – but these are objectively extreme positions.

    Either way, you have adopted positions that deviate from the mainstream values of a liberal society in an extreme fashion, and that don’t leave much room for coming to an accommodation but insist on the total victory of your extreme positions.

    And that’s perfectly fine, but you really shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t debate.

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  181. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    You Zionazi cowards make me puke green bile. Nobody but a Bronze Age throwback could come out with this shit:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/01/liberal-zionist-zealotry/

    Amos Oz. There’s nothin sadder than a dumb Jew. And all Zionazis shitcan their degenerating intelligence genes to make up shit like this. Facile paradox dressed up as emo poesy, meaningless bullshit like you heard from your chicken-swinging kiddyfucking rabbi speaking some dead language when you popped your first perverted boner.

    Fuck your Jew State death cult. Jonestown on the Jordan. No more aid for you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  182. lavoisier says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    Israel is the single most aggressive opponent of free speech in liberal democracies today — bar none. Looking to other nation-states is just more tu quoque b.s. intended to deflect attention away from this fact.

    Book burners par excellence!

  183. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Jabotinsky was an extremist. Every country has them.

    The article you linked to discusses land in the West Bank, not pre-1948 Palestine as a whole.

    Moreover, it relies on Ottoman Law, which apparently allowed tracts of uncultivated land to belong to villages. There is no reason in this day and age Ottoman law should apply. The social rules gave changed.

    Today, the only land local Arabs have a moral claim to, in my opinion, is land they cultivate and live on. I do not believe in turning anyone out of their homes or depriving them of likelihood. An absentee Arab landlord that claims ownership of hundreds of uncultivated acres is not something that should be respected anymore, in my view. The rules of the social game have changed and someone who was, say, rewarded by some Ottoman noble with a vast estate is not something modern Israel should respect. That Israel actually does recognize private ownership claims far in excess of my suggestion is significant. And every state exercises eminent domain.

    Have you been to the West Bank? I have. Its mostly vast open land, uncultivated. The idea that most of this is “owned” by Palestinians is something that has no basis in morality, and makes no sense in terms of the changed social rules (some Ottoman noble rewards his favorite with an estate, and Israel should respect that.)

    Nor are the Palestinians indigenous to the area. Like every one else on planet Earth, we all came from somewhere else, ultimately Africa.

    Lol

    Straw-grasping if I’ve ever seen it

    I’m actually genuinely curious – at what point in time does an occupation become legitimate?

    We know the local Arabs came in with the Arab conquest. Trickled in most likely over many centuries. There are no records of large scale conversions of Jews in Palestine, which certainly would have been recorded by Muslim historians as a credit to their faith.

    Even before the Arab conquest, it was under Christian control and had been receiving many devout immigrants that weren’t Jews.

    Plus we know that it was never a “center” for any empire that held it but a relatively neglected backwater that was on trade routes. Such places tend to see as the turnover in population periodically.

    But really, we can apply this to any place in the world. Can the Indiana demand America back? Can the Saxons expel the Normans? Why not?

    Who makes these rules? Are they just made up social rules?

    When the world goes into disorder and empirees break up and the rules get reshuffled, are there opportunities to exploit?

    Quite often, you make assertions devoid of any supporting evidence. You regularly disregard comprehensive analysis and advance nothing but the flimsiest variety of conjecture.

    I must grant this is correct, but then I am not pretending to be doing anything else when I’m doing that. There’s a place for painting pictures in broad brush strokes. Its more poetic.

    And when I do that, you’d be perfectly in your rights to tell me I haven’t proven my case, and I will concede that I wasn’t trying to.

    But you offer up selective snippets as proof about the entire story. And in the end, I am only telling you you haven’t proven your case.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  184. geokat62 says:
    @AnonStarter

    Love your passion, geo…

    Thanks, appreciate it.

    … but Britain never promised all of Mandatory Palestine to the Jewish community:

    I thought the same thing until I came across this passage from the same article I linked to:

    By 1919, activists like Weizmann were already exasperated at Britain’s failure to establish a Zionist state from the Mediterranean Sea to the River Jordan— as a start — and so pushed for “a comprehensive emigration scheme” of non-Jews to get the ethnic cleansing over and done with. The public lie remained safeguarded; British Colonel Richard Meinertzhagen assured Weizmann that the true plan is “still withheld from the general public”.

    Interesting quote, huh? So, it appears Perfidious Albion was saying one thing publicly and another in private.

    Keep up the good fight.

    Likewise.

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  185. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    Fuck your Jew State death cult. Jonestown on the Jordan. No more aid for you.

    Fran, is that you?

  186. AaronB says:
    @silviosilver

    Well, Israel is certainly more liberal than its Arab foes, by a long shot.

    Compared to Europe and America, the fact that it is defined as a Jewish democracy certainly makes it less liberal, but in practice its civil society and legal and political systems are often extremely liberal.

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  187. @AaronB

    There is no reason in this day and age Ottoman law should apply. The social rules gave changed.

    No, Aaron. You don’t apply international law only when you feel like it, and if you knew anything about it, you’d understand that international law is the standard by which Ottoman Land Law remains the legal means of determining land ownership in Palestine. Even Israeli courts nominally acknowledge this, if not consistenly in practice.

    I’m reminded of your own words:

    What you are basically arguing for is not a “moral” right or a “natural” right – but for the power of your community to dictate the social rules – and invent the social fictions – that dictate how humans divide Gods green earth.

    The distillation of your argument is that you want the Arabs of Palestine to simply concede defeat and acknowledge Israeli ownership of land to which they’ve never been entitled while the battle still rages, both legally and militarily.

    All of the other land disputes you cite have been resolved in one way or another and, as such, are irrelevant where the matter of Palestine is concerned.

    But you offer up selective snippets as proof about the entire story.

    Not about the entire story, but rather, as evidence that serves to undermine standard hasbara narratives promoted in the mainstream.

    And I welcome constructive criticism. For example, if you were actually capable of providing some kind of verifiable evidence that supported your conjecture about the Hashomer’s existence or Ahad Ha’am’s observations, we might appreciate that as a means of fleshing out a larger picture.

    But you don’t do that. Instead, you deliberately obfuscate and lie. The very accusation that I “offer up selective snippets as proof about the entire story” is ready evidence of this. You have a working memory, and I’ve provided far more material here than “selective snippets” for my audience to review — material from verifiable, often accredited academic sources. I’m quite confident the comprehensive sum of it provides a solid case against Israel.

    That said, I do appreciate the concession that you regularly disregard comprehensive analysis and advance nothing but the flimsiest variety of conjecture. It certainly places your comments in their proper perspective.

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    , @Talha
  188. anon[306] • Disclaimer says:

    AaronB is a product of a primitive culture and lacks the ethical habits of mind to take part in contemporary civilization. His state does not interpret its binding human rights commitments in good faith, according to the preeminent elected experts of the HRC.

    https://www.ohchr.org/EN/Countries/MENARegion/Pages/ILIndex.aspx

    This means Israel is not a democracy under the civilized world’s legal standard, the Siracusa Principles, which define a democratic society as one in which has come into conformity with the UDHR. Israel’s noncompliance with the ICCPR and UDHR means it is not even a sovereign state in law, since sovereignty is responsibility under the legal standard of Implementing the Responsibility to Protect.

    To justify committing the gravest crimes, Israel’s atavistic culture projects its own genocidal pathologies onto outgroups including indigenous Palestinians. It indoctrinates its children in Israel’s criminal extermination enterprise:

    https://mondoweiss.net/2017/05/israeli-children-brainwashed/

    Israel is a cancer on the international community that has perverted premodern Jewish theocracy to produce a nation of murderous, bestial savages. That’s why fanatics like AaronB cannot engage in rational discourse. They simply cannot grasp the foundations of world civilization. These cave men share no common ground with the civilized world. They are hostis humani generis.

    TLDR AaronB: Ugga bugga. Izzies and their international fifth column cannot rise above that level.

  189. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    No, Aaron. You don’t apply international law only when you feel like it, and if you knew anything about it, you’d understand that international law is the standard by which Ottoman Land Law remains the legal means of determining land ownership in Palestine. Even Israeli courts nominally acknowledge this, if not consistenly in practice

    It does not make sense to me if, for instance, some Ottoman noble gifted a vast estate to some favored retainer, Israeli courts should recognize that today.

    The distillation of your argument is that you want the Arabs of Palestine to simply concede defeat and acknowledge Israeli ownership of land to which they’ve never been entitled while the battle still rages, both legally and militarily

    I want to point out that the Arabs do not have a “moral” case, or a natural right case, for land that they are not cultivating.

    What the Arabs want is to “own” large amounts of land they don’t use as a state and national community. I certainly understand that aspiration, but it is a political aspiration, not a moral one.

    Political differences are typically resolved by compromise, but starting in 1937, the Arabs could not accept that the Jews get even a very small amount of land.

    I wonder if the Arabs would even have allowed the Jews to keep the actual land they were using and become an independent community just on that? It does not seem likely.

    Either way, the Jews have repeatedly been willing to compromise. The Arabs not. Absent a moral claim, this merely shows the Arabs still have a strong will to power – not the most evil thing in the world, but not up to the times.

    All of the other land disputes you cite have been resolved in one way or another and, as such, are irrelevant where the matter of Palestine is concerned.

    Okay, but by what principles were they resolved? Simple military might? That seems to be the case with the Indians.

    And if tomorrow a new situation arises where for instance Washington can’t rule, can the Indians reassert their claim?

    What are the principles, rules, and guidelines that apply here? Manning invents social rules to help him avoid conflict – but if the system collapses, the rules may change, or there may be new opportunities.

    Yes, right now the might of the US Army prevents Indians from making claims. But what if that were to vanish.

    Not about the entire story, but rather, as evidence that serves to undermine standard hasbara narratives promoted in the mainstream

    OK, Its legitimate to use these examples to show that any narrative I am providing does not cover the whole story. For that, a single counter example is enough. So that’s fair. But to use partial data sets to characterize the entire situation is to abuse it. But if you’re only trying to show my narrative is incomplete and does not cover the whole range of cases, that’s totally fair in my book.

    And I welcome constructive criticism. For example, if you were actually capable of providing some kind of verifiable evidence that supported your conjecture about the Hashomer’s existence or Ahad Ha’am’s observations, we might appreciate that as a means of fleshing out a larger picture.

    Well, I don’t know if that’s the kind of thing that there is hard evidence about. I relied on my personal knowledge of conditions in the Third World to suggest what may have been happening, as well as my experience of sensitive liberal types often misunderstanding complex and difficult situations and reducing them to simplistic morality tales.

    Maybe a historian with access can search through diaries and letters of the time and see if Jewish bosses who hired Arabs talked about getting taken advantage of before toughening up. For all I know that’s already been done, honestly. I should search sociological histories of Israel.

    As for Hashomer attitudes, this is an attitude that from time to time recurs in modern Israeli politics as well. Make the Arabs think your crazy so they won’t mess with you. And the rationale is explicit – a small vulnerable country with limited resources that can’t sustain a slow war of attrition has to react to threats with greater aggression.

    So it seems internally self-evident that Hashomer was acting out of the reasons I explained.

    That said, I do appreciate the concession that you regularly disregard comprehensive analysis and advance nothing but the flimsiest variety of conjecture. It certainly places your comments in their proper perspective

    .

    Yes, I often find detailed and very thorough analysis too tedious or just not what I’m trying to do at that moment. I figure people can look up the details themselves. I often prefer painting the big picture or framing things in what I think is the proper philosophic context. But not always. Sometimes a good thorough analysis is the thing.

  190. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    The distillation of your argument is that you want the Arabs of Palestine to simply concede defeat and acknowledge Israeli ownership of land to which they’ve never been entitled while the battle still rages, both legally and militarily.

    It’s always been an issue of us not getting our act together and will remain so until we do:

    Appealing to a legal framework that has no repercussions for ignoring it – when you happen to be one of the privileged nations – is a waste of time. Resources and time are better spent elsewhere.

    Though a couple of Gulf Arab no-names (weren’t even historic nations in the past before oil was discovered) have signed up eagerly…it’s a good sign most of the Ummah has decided this is still an open case.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  191. @Talha

    It’s always been an issue of us not getting our act together and will remain so until we do

    Yes, and “getting our act together” can be done in a variety of ways, including — but not limited to — setting the historical record straight and communicating the facts of it to an American audience. Presenting the reality of inequity isn’t “whining and complaining.” It’s teaching.

    America is the primary battleground where the fight for Palestine will be won, since it is American largesse that sustains Israel. Work to inform Americans and you’re waging jihad that rivals that of the sword.

    Given their convictions, Muslim Americans should be playing an outsized role in this fight. They have both the facts and sufficient wherewithal to provide a countervailing force against Israel’s lobby. What they appear to lack is the will and dedication to affect this end, quite possibly because many of them do not claim America as their own.

    Until this happens, expect American foreign policy to continue as it has for many moons to come.

    was-salaam.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  192. Athena says:

    And if any more confirmation about the origins of the Iraq War were needed, one might turn to Philip Zelikow

    Don’t forget these ones:

    ”When the Chilcot inquiry results were made public in 2016 they painted a chilling picture of not only Blair’s actions but also those of his former foreign Secretary Jack Straw.

    The inquiry concluded; “Saddam Hussein did not pose an urgent threat to the UK, intelligence reporting about [Iraqi] weapons of mass destruction was presented with unwarranted certainty, that the war was unnecessary and that the UK undermined the authority of the U.N Security Council.””

    ON TARGET: PUTTING WAR CRIMES IN PERSPECTIVE
    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-putting-war-crimes-in-perspective

    And i’d bet they will use Canada for the next crusade in IRAN. After all, why not, all went well for the safari of Desmarais-Rothschild in Libya, with colonel Bouchard and his 220 laser-guided bombs.

    Québec’s is the Franco-British connection with the Paris MEK friends.

    An interesting fact about the Rothschilds-Desmarais safari in Libya:

    The U.N never authorized NATO to drop bombs and engage in combat yet that is exactly what they began doing immediately. The NATO allied task force was commanded by Canadian Lieutenant-General Charles Bouchard. On the diplomatic front the international effort to oust Gadhaffi was spearheaded by Canada’s foreign minister John Baird.

    Despite deploying the most sophisticated aerial arsenal ever seen, NATO’s Libyan rebel allies still took nearly 10 months to defeat the Gadhaffi loyalists. It was NATO airstrikes that allowed the Libyan rebels to capture Gadhaffi and brutally murder him on the streets of Sirte on October 20, 2011.

    ON TARGET: PUTTING WAR CRIMES IN PERSPECTIVE
    http://espritdecorps.ca/on-target-4/on-target-putting-war-crimes-in-perspective

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  193. @AaronB

    Well, if your goal was to bore us to tears with skullduggery and legerdemain, you’ve certainly accomplished that in spades.

    Let’s see, where to begin …

    Its quite obvious that revisionism about Jewish suffering in WW2 is generally used to promote intolerance of Jews. So it’s obviously a liberal principle to support tolerance for all communities.

    No, this is not quite obvious.

    What is quite obvious is that Israel — and I use the term here as it was originally used, in reference to the Jewish diaspora — fears that an open discussion of the subject will throw a wrench into the propaganda machine upon which it has relied to garner sympathy for its illegal occupation of Palestine.

    Criminalizing historical revisionism doesn’t “support tolerance,” it coerces people to be intolerant of academic liberty where the subject of Jewish suffering during WWII is concerned.

    Please show me which Security Council Resolutions Israel is in violation of.

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/01/27/rogue-state-israeli-violations-of-u-n-security-council-resolutions/

    Either way, I can see already that your articles have problems. For instance, the second article – what this means is that Israelis can’t get the death penalty for terrorism, not Jews. Israeli Arabs are similarly immune.

    The article title itself belies your claims:

    Likud Source: Israeli Death Penalty for Terrorists Won’t Apply to Jews

    The death penalty for murder in a terror act that incoming Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman seeks will only apply to military courts, said a Likud source involved in the talks to bring Lieberman’s Yisrael Beiteinu party into the governing coalition.

    Such a move, which Lieberman demands if his party is to join the government, would effectively exclude its application against Jews. …

    Palestinians accused of terror offenses are prosecuted in Israeli military courts, while Jews charged with similar crimes against Palestinians are usually tried in Israeli civilian courts, noted the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

    But even if the law were never passed, I provided links to a bevy of evidence that proves Israel to be an apartheid regime, so your claim that I’m only providing “snippets” of information to demonstrate this fact is false. Every reader here can see it for himself.

    What there is, is a law that US government institutions and their employees – which includes public schools – cannot participate in such activities against Jews and Israel.

    And that law is, on its face, unconstitutional, which has been the circuit court holding in four of five cases in which legal action has been brought against the state.

    this is of little concern to most ordinary Americans and is not broad-based desire to suppress speech in general on a range of social issues and effectively create an illiberal society

    It is “of little concern to most ordinary Americans” because of Jewish domination of American media and education. You’re speaking to someone who knows the American academic milieu from the inside, so you can spare us your opinion on this matter.

    We speak freely here because to do so elsewhere would constitute career suicide. This is also a result of Israel’s creation of an illiberal environment in academia. Hopefully, increased traffic to this site — as well as the Forbidden Fruit Syndrome — will bring many more Americans to their senses and change the ground game for the better.

    When I mocked your friend Talha, you threatened to sue me.

    No, I wouldn’t do such a thing, since that kind of threat is itself an actionable offense.

    What I did was point out the potential of a lawsuit based upon your emotionally overwrought outburst aimed at Talha. You then slunk off to an open thread and began venting your frustration about the whole matter, arguing that your statement was protected speech while it was phrased in a manner that American courts might construe as verifiable, and, as such, potentially libelous.

    Anyhow, it’s late and your shtick has become tiresome. Nighty-night.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  194. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    America is the primary battleground where the fight for Palestine will be won

    This may or may not be the case as the US’s star fades on the international scene:
    The US is having increasing problems on the home front…people are getting tired of foreign adventures. How many dollars do you think the Taliban spent per million that the US spent over the years?

    Until this happens, expect American foreign policy to continue as it has for many moons to come.

    You hit many nails on the head, bro. I have very little confidence that the US will turn on this issue in the short term. Long term…meaning many moons after, perhaps so – but I’m not holding my breath.

    I’m not saying informing the American public is a waste of time. I do think trying to appeal to international law seems to be a dead end. Israel ignores it whenever it wants and basically just decided to up and annex the West Bank. And then decided not to in order to get political recognition from two fake countries. They can just do this again in 5 years and then claim they are making “concessions”; “I’ll agree not to take your TV if your neighbors are willing to invite me to dinner, see how nice I am?”

    It’s bakwas, yaar.

    And some Muslims do whine and complain, it’s pathetic.

    Muslim unity is paramount at this point as it was in preventing the initial problem in the first place. The US has influence in the ME because the various countries are not united (multiple Muslim countries were the staging areas for the attack on Iraq, without their permission, it wouldn’t have gone through).

    On this front, I believe Turkey is the pivot. You are in Turkey (correct?), does it look like the populace is ready to push the government to break diplomatic ties with Israel?

    What they appear to lack is the will and dedication to affect this end, quite possibly because many of them do not claim America as their own.

    A bunch of Arab and Desi immigrants will easily be dismissed as foreigners bringing their problems here – this is simply the reality. This will be much better received from the populace by Muslims who are natives of the land as their numbers increase. I’ve never come across a single Muslim convert (and I’ve come across plenty) that was pro-Israel.

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  195. @AaronB

    ‘…God has blessed us with the stupidest enemies we have ever had, whose malice makes them blind.’

    I keep noticing that it is the worst Jews who are the most attached to a communal, monolithic identity for Jews.

    …maybe it’s just you we despise, Aaron. That is a possibility.

  196. @AaronB

    ‘…Let me know when the Chinese get their hands on an Israeli F-35.’

    That would be a bit obvious, wouldn’t it? I imagine China will settle for the electronics, etc.

    …as to an Israeli nuclear sub for Hamas, (a) does Israel have nuclear subs, (b) where would Hamas base it, and (c) how would Hamas pay for it?

    But you deal with (a) and (b), and I’ll happily chip in for (c). I’m always up for supporting a good cause.

  197. @AnonStarter

    ‘…America is the primary battleground where the fight for Palestine will be won, since it is American largesse that sustains Israel. Work to inform Americans and you’re waging jihad that rivals that of the sword…’

    I would prefer that it be won in that manner.

    Unfortunately, I fear it will be won when we have simply become too weak, too isolated, and too withdrawn from the rest of the world to continue to nurture our creation.

    Israel will disappear not because we will have recognized our error, but because we have declined to the point where we are no more than a kind of Northern Hemisphere Brazil. Ironically, that will happen partly because of our very support for Israel — but that won’t be to our credit.

    We will fail, and will do so without redeeming ourselves.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  198. Muslim unity is paramount at this point as it was in preventing the initial problem in the first place. The US has influence in the ME because the various countries are not united

    This is virtually ‘caliphate’ level rhetoric. It’s incredible that Talha was ever able to pass himself off as some kind of moderate on this site. When it comes to Islam, it seems that rightwing anti-Israel dupes are every bit as thick as leftwing anti-Israel dupes.

    (multiple Muslim countries were the staging areas for the attack on Iraq, without their permission, it wouldn’t have gone through)

    It’s almost like religion isn’t necessarily people’s foremost consideration in any given context. Weird huh.

    A bunch of Arab and Desi immigrants will easily be dismissed as foreigners bringing their problems here – this is simply the reality. This will be much better received from the populace by Muslims who are natives of the land as their numbers increase. I’ve never come across a single Muslim convert (and I’ve come across plenty) that was pro-Israel.

    That’s probably a factor, but on the other hand, ethnic groups with the longest history of having muslim minorities in their ranks have never quite managed to fully trust them. They’re accepted and respected in all sorts of ways, but never quite thought to be the genuine item. So my bet is that libtards will continue to be the only people to sincerely regard muslims as real Americans far into the future.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  199. Anonymous[721] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    you really shouldn’t be surprised if people don’t debate.

    You’re failing to realize that’s the position Joyce, and others, are taking with you. The debate with your kind is over.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  200. Talha says:

    Talha was ever able to pass himself off as some kind of moderate

    The assumption that normal, average Muslims would not want more political unity as opposed to the status quo is a false assumption that certain westerners have told themselves. Not our fault. I cannot think of a single Muslim I’ve come across that doesn’t think a multi-nation military-economic cooperative along the lines of the EU and NATO for Muslim nations is good idea.

    ethnic groups with the longest history of having muslim minorities in their ranks have never quite managed to fully trust them.

    Probably why that ethnic Muslim populace has remained a minority, otherwise – because Islam is an invitational faith, the majority simply became Muslim over time. I’ve come across plenty of converts whose own families were hostile at the beginning, but many members themselves converted after a while…this is a mathematics game.

    Peace.

  201. AaronB says:
    @silviosilver

    This is virtually ‘caliphate’ level rhetoric. It’s incredible that Talha was ever able to pass himself off as some kind of moderate on this site. When it comes to Islam, it seems that rightwing anti-Israel dupes are every bit as thick as leftwing anti-Israel dupes.

    I was fooled for a long time by Talha. He used to produce these lovely peace promoting Sufi quotes, I was incredulous when it became clear he was just a Jihadi.

    Its astonishing, but there are still people here fooled by him. The thing is lots of people only read one part of this site. So the guys on Audacious Epigone don’t read threads like this, and over there, he’s careful to present a very curated image.

    But the truth cones out eventually.

  202. Wielgus says:
    @vot tak

    When the Americans used heavy bombers in tactical support in Normandy in 1944, a lot of their bombs fell on US troops. They found part of Lt Gen Lesley McNair’s shirt collar with its three-star insignia, but not much else. Over one hundred US soldiers were killed and many more wounded by American bombs.

  203. @Talha

    This may or may not be the case as the US’s star fades on the international scene

    Your point is well taken, though I state this because I’m not only Muslim, I’m American, and jihad has to be waged with respect to the terrain in which one finds himself.

    I do think trying to appeal to international law seems to be a dead end.

    This depends. Recently, the ICC has raised the dander of both the U.S. and the usual suspects for having the temerity to initiate an investigation into their war crimes. A number of European officials have expressed support for investigating Israel, and do not seem daunted by American pressure applied against them.

    In general, I share your skepticism, though I still find it important to comprehend and communicate the details of this law, since it is a domain in which Israel regularly engages in obfuscation to persuade others that their occupation of Palestine is justifiable. It’s true that most folks might not take an interest in, say, Yehuda Blum’s 1968 “missing revisioner” thesis, but it remains one of Israel’s key arguments for stealing land, so exposing its fallacies serves a purpose.

    And some Muslims do whine and complain, it’s pathetic.

    Well, I can’t argue with this. There are more than a few who caterwaul about America this and Israel that yet never even reach the rug for their daily five.

    The US has influence in the ME because the various countries are not united (multiple Muslim countries were the staging areas for the attack on Iraq, without their permission, it wouldn’t have gone through).

    Sure, though that is a matter for the citizens of those countries to resolve, since their own lives and property are at stake there. There is little I can do to bring about the requisite solidarity among Saudis in order to persuade them of the need to depose their hypocrite leaders, take America to the curb, and organize to hold Israel’s feet to the fire. It’s beyond a Herculean effort for me, and I shoulder no burden greater than I can bear.

    On this front, I believe Turkey is the pivot.

    Perhaps, Lord willing.

    I’m not there, though, so I can’t really determine where they’re at in this regard right now.

    A bunch of Arab and Desi immigrants will easily be dismissed as foreigners bringing their problems here – this is simply the reality.

    First of all, if they’re here long term, they should become citizens, which isn’t difficult at all. Second, if “foreigners bringing their problems here” were so easily dismissed, then how is it that the Israel of Palestine enjoys such influence in America?

    But all of this is really beside the point: as Americans — or even as lawful permanent residents — Muslims have a voice in how the American government conducts itself. That’s their right regardless of what Joe Six Pack thinks. They have to own it, and fearlessly at that.

    Muslim Americans need to demonstrate that Palestine is not just a Muslim problem but an American one. Speak to folks in a language they understand, let them see the harm of hegemonic ambition that is airbrushed from the mainstream, let them know what kind of carnage, destruction, and apartheid their tax dollars are subsidizing, and if they question our faith and its practice, let them understand Islam for what it is, not for what its enemies make it out to be.

    Israel might find a stronger host to leech, but at least we’ll have done what we could in the eyes of God to shake it off sooner than not.

    was-salaam.

  204. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    The article title itself belies your claims:

    Likud Source: Israeli Death Penalty for Terrorists Won’t Apply to Jews

    Well, you were trying to present it as a distinction based on race, when in fact it is a distinction based on citizenship.

    An American Jew who commits terrorist attacks for the Palestinians in the West Bank will also be tried in military courts and be liable to death penalty, under that proposed law.

    An Israeli Arab or Christian who commits terrorist attacks in Israel will be tried in civil court and not be liable to the death penalty under that proposed law.

    It these kinds of subtle distortions that become significant over time.

    What your link about the Security Council shows is that the SC was “critical” of some Israeli actions – none of that are formal declarations of being in legal violation of any SC resolution, and have no legally binding force.

    It is “of little concern to most ordinary Americans” because of Jewish domination of American media and education. You’re speaking to someone who knows the American academic milieu from the inside, so you can spare us your opinion on this matter.

    I am sorry, but I think the ordinary America would find his day to day life far more impacted by Sharia law than some government workers not being allowed to voice extreme anti-Jewish or anti-Israel views in their capacity as government employees.

    We speak freely here because to do so elsewhere would constitute career suicide. This is also a result of Israel’s creation of an illiberal environment in academia. Hopefully, increased traffic to this site — as well as the Forbidden Fruit Syndrome — will bring many more Americans to their senses and change the ground game for the better.

    I don’t think there was anything in our conversation that could not have been had on a mainstream platform.

    Now, yes, the Jews are genetically irredeemable stuff, the blood libels, Ron’s articles about Jews, Jews are the source of all evil, that stuff wouldn’t.

    Now I don’t support legal restrictions against even that stuff, but a healthy society will certainly want to make that kind of thing radioactive.

    And you have to consider the “proximity effect” – when balanced, reasonable criticism of Israel and Jews is “clustered” together with the blood libel genetic stuff, it rubs off, and may attain a faint whiff of radioactivity as well.

    That’s ys unfortunate because criticism is healthy for all of us, but you have only yourselves to blame.

  205. @Anonymous

    The debate with your kind is over.

    I’m inclined to acknowledge this.

    The pettifoggery of individuals who essentially run interference for tyranny is insufferable. A child who constantly challenges you with questions is, for the most part, tolerable in their innocence.

    A grown man who questions the fundamental utility of the wheel in an attempt to reinvent it? Not so much.

  206. @silviosilver

    This is virtually ‘caliphate’ level rhetoric. It’s incredible that Talha was ever able to pass himself off as some kind of moderate on this site. When it comes to Islam, it seems that rightwing anti-Israel dupes are every bit as thick as leftwing anti-Israel dupes.

    Wait a minute … All I see is Talha advocating for the interests of predominantly Muslim nation-states, unless you’re saying that de facto Israeli hegemony is preferable, which I don’t imagine you are.

    What is “immoderate” about such advocacy? Or is it religiously predicated solidarity per se that you disdain?

    • Replies: @Talha
  207. An American Jew who commits terrorist attacks for the Palestinians in the West Bank will also be tried in military courts and be liable to death penalty, under that proposed law.

    There’s nothing in the linked article that states this. You’re welcome to show me other evidence, but unless you do so, we’ll have to chalk yet another of your claims up to mere “poetry.”

    What your link about the Security Council shows is that the SC was “critical” of some Israeli actions – none of that are formal declarations of being in legal violation of any SC resolution, and have no legally binding force.

    In some cases, the resolutions are simply condemnations, but others explicitly call upon Israel to take action, and contrary to what you say, they are legally binding.

    America predicated its invasion and occupation of Iraq upon the latter’s ostensible violation of UNSC resolutions. As such, the only thing lacking in UN member nation-states is the will to enforce those resolutions against Israel.

    We can worry about how Muslims would apply shari’ah in America if and when they follow in the footsteps of Israel’s American myrmidons and begin spearheading legislation to make criticism of Islam an actionable offense in American courts.

    Until then, there’s simply no comparison.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @AaronB
  208. @Colin Wright

    You may be right, Colin.

    Presently, I still have to deal with the reality of the American-Israeli relationship and its concomitant evils, though I should also be prepared to weather the storm that is drifting our way.

  209. Talha says:
    @AnonStarter

    Well, silvio is on record as saying he hates Islam and thinks it is vile, which is fine really – everyone has an opinion and some folks are just going to end up hating what Islam stands for. But I would imagine if you hate something, you’d likely not want people anywhere united along those lines. Seems pretty logical, no?

    Though this does work to the Muslim advantage to a degree. As you allude to, the question of Muslim unity is really a conversation internal to the Ummah and it certainly doesn’t hurt telling fellow Muslims; “Hey, you know, people who admit they hate Islam would like to keep us fractured and divided…so, should we play the game according to what they advocate or are our interests better served otherwise?”

    Know what I mean?

    Wa salaam.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  210. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Frank discussions? Unfortunately, at this stage of the game, our adversaries are in no mood to discuss anything with us deplorables. In the bogus politically correct framework they’ve manufactured, those who oppose the hallowed principles of progressivism are vile enemies that are in desperate need of disposal

    You thought I was being hyperbolic, didn’t you?
    Well, think again…

    Former Twitter CEO and leftwing activist Dick Costolo has publicly called for people who disagree with his political ideology to be “lined up against the wall and shot.”

    https://newspunch.com/former-twitter-ceo-calls-for-political-enemies-to-be-lined-up-against-the-wall-and-shot/

    • Agree: lavoisier
  211. lavoisier says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    We can worry about how Muslims would apply shari’ah in America if and when they follow in the footsteps of Israel’s American myrmidons and begin spearheading legislation to make criticism of Islam an actionable offense in American courts.

    Well, given the willingness of far too many of the American political whores to surrender the sovereignty of their nation and our constitutional freedoms in service to wealthy Zionists, you can be sure that if Muslims attain financial dominance in America and wish to impose shari’ah law it will happen.

    As the tragic experience with Jewish supremacists has made clear, we can be easily controlled.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @AnonStarter
  212. Talha says:
    @lavoisier

    if Muslims attain financial dominance in America and wish to impose shari’ah law it will happen.

    That’s not how Muslims operate; we aren’t a financially dominant ethnic minority that gains access to levers of power with disproportionate influence vis-a-vis our numbers. That’s not our mandate – our mandate is inviting people to fall in love with Allah (as brothers); if we had half the influence in the media and politics the Jewish community currently has and people weren’t flooding into the religion…utter and complete fail. And I can’t think of a historical precedence for the scenario you outlined in Muslim history.

    Now taking over as a minority as a military elite via conquest – big time, plenty of those examples. Is that likely to happen in the US? Pffffshshwahahahahaha – yeah right.

    If Muslims take over the US, it’ll be because the society itself has eventually flipped and become Muslim.

    Peace.

  213. @Talha

    Know what I mean?

    Certainly.

    There are quite a few anti-Islam brigadiers here, some for whom any appeal to reason falls flat, others who may still detest Islam, yet acknowledge reason in one or another Islamic perspective, and still others who lean toward agnosticism.

    I remember addressing a group of young students and asking them their opinion about America’s war in Iraq, to which one of them replied, “We should turn it into a parking lot.” I explained bin Laden’s perspective that even American civilians were a lawful target and then asked him to tell me the difference between this view and his own.

    I could see that I had reached him. How that might have affected him to this day, I can’t know, since that was the only occasion on which I spoke to him, but I reached him, if only for a moment.

    I do, however, take your counsel about posters seriously. Shukran.

    was-salaam.

  214. @lavoisier

    you can be sure that if Muslims attain financial dominance in America and wish to impose shari’ah law it will happen

    There are some significant respects in which zionists are imposing Talmudic law upon us, such as their current assault on the First Amendment, but there’s something very important that fatalistic Americans should take to heart:

    When someone throws a government at you, you can throw it right back at them. There is nothing — and I mean nothing — preventing Americans from applying constitutional law to their advantage. Think you can’t organize, develop strategies, and affect change as Jews have? Think again. You can.

    So if a body of Muslims decides to join the ADL in advancing “hate crime” legislation which includes legally proscribing perceived offenses against Israel and Islam, you need to utilize the potential of the law of the land and make it work in your favor.

    It doesn’t even demand money. It takes some knowledge, yes, but it takes even more dedication.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  215. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Well, my response to this was not published, so I guess Giraldi wants my conversation with you over.

    It is interesting that you are concerned about your right to criticize Israel but my right to defend Israel is regularly censored on this site.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  216. @AaronB

    Well, my response to this was not published, so I guess Giraldi wants my conversation with you over.

    That’s fine. I accept half the blame for this exchange, which clearly wasn’t designed to reach you, though if others learned a thing or two along the way, then perhaps it wasn’t entirely wasteful.

    It is interesting that you are concerned about your right to criticize Israel but my right to defend Israel is regularly censored on this site.

    Comparing this site to mainstream media, social media venues, institutions of higher learning, or the public square is an apples-and-oranges analogy. That you feel frustration at being censored should help you to understand how so many others across the spectrum of communication platforms feel when they are routinely suppressed or even punished for expression that others engage in freely here.

    Buuut … Being who you are, I doubt that’s gonna happen.

  217. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Well, Israel is certainly more liberal than its Arab foes, by a long shot.

    Being more liberal then Egypt is faint praise.

    Come to think of it – Egypt is not an apartheid state like Israel is.

    Hmm — selective liberalism is just playing favoritism.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  218. @lavoisier

    Excellent post. You are not alone in that sentiment. Some of us have worked tirelessly for nearly two decades to raise awareness of this issue. People are belligerently ignorant, don’t want to hear about politics, and instead choose to lap up the koolaid. They simply do not want to think for themselves or are incapable of it. Public apathy has always been half the battle, And still is, even now, amidst the crises of 2020. The sheep refuse to wake up to the evil that has taken over this country.

    “When ignorance is bliss, ‘tis folly to be wise”

    • Thanks: lavoisier
  219. vot tak says:
    @vot tak

    An act of both desperation and incompetence. A short piece describing that stupidity.

    World War 2 History: US Carpet-Bombs a US General

    https://owlcation.com/humanities/About-World-War-2-US-Carpet-Bombs-a-US-General

    The u.s. side was lucky, given the inaccuracy of high altitude level bombing then. The death of mcnair may have happened couple of years too late, though:

    “He served in both World Wars and was a three-time recipient of the Army Distinguished Service Medal although he came under considerable criticism when US troops performed badly during the invasion of North Africa, due in part because of his “accelerated” training programs. He was also criticized for his disdain of self-propelled tank destroyers, believing towed anti-tank artillery was more efficient when, in fact, the artillery crews suffered high casualties and were consistently outperformed by tank destroyers. McNair also thought that tank versus tank duels were “unsound and unnecessary” and helped block the production of the M26 Pershing heavy tank.”

    The accountant school of military tactics. The Pershing was the basis of later american armor of the M-46/47/48 types, along with the M-60 series, which were the mainstay of american armor till the 70s/80s when the Abrams replaced them. The M-26 was a decent tank, roughly equivalent to the german Tiger I, Panther or the british Comet, in firepower and armor protection, though somewhat less in mobility with regard to the Comet and Panther.

    The u.s army had a seriously warped view of armor and anti-armor. They stalled equipping their Sherman tanks with a more effective main gun, for more than a year, capable of much better performance against german armor, because tanks were supposed to not engage other tanks in their ridiculous tactical dogma. Tank destroyers, equipped with more powerful AP weapons were to engage the tanks, while tanks, with less effective guns were to take on the infantry and artillery.

    Reality of ground war showed such stilted dogma was useless. German tanks ignored american army tactical regulations and took out american Shermans regardless. Given mcnair’s extreme views even regarding TDs and towed AT artillery, I will speculate he was one of those dogmas fanatics who also advocated against up arming Shermans to meet the reality of what the battlefield demanded.

  220. @Art

    Apartheid (or segregation) is far too casually and unthinkingly condemned. It’s certainly possible for it to be excessive, but when two people who greatly dislike each other insist on living on the same territory, then apartheid can be an intelligent way of managing their differences.

    Imo, Israeli apartheid is just a precursor to an eventual attempt at a final expulsion, and even if not, it seems more focused on humiliating the arabs than helping the situation, so it’s not a very good example of the kind of mutually beneficial apartheid I have in mind. The correct response, however, would be to reform, not to dismantle it.

  221. lavoisier says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    Think you can’t organize, develop strategies, and affect change as Jews have? Think again. You can.

    I agree with this and it does not make sense to surrender, particularly when so much is at stake.

    I am just exhausted trying to get people to admit that up is up and down is down.

    If you cannot get simple principles accepted, argumentation falls on deaf ears.

    Americans have to realize that our nation is furthering injustice by our slavish fealty to Zion, and that is something few of us are willing to accept.

    But the effort must continue for sure.

    Thanks for the information that you provide here. It is important information and provides a perspective that is sorely needed.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Thanks: AnonStarter
  222. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Many Israelis can be pro-Euro. In Europe, Jews felt like Middle Eastern Semites, they romanticized the Middle East and Arabs, now in the Middle East, Israelis feel more European then the people around them and now look to Europe. Most Jews are literally genetically the group in between Europeans and Middle Easterners in many genetic maps. Stuck in between like a see saw.

  223. geokat62 says:

    • Replies: @anon
  224. lavoisier says: • Website
    @geokat62

    Maybe there is some justice in this life after all!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  225. Anon[372] • Disclaimer says:

  226. geokat62 says:
    @lavoisier

    Maybe there is some justice in this life after all!

    I’ll bet she’ll serve a fraction of the eight years she was sentenced to at Club Fed.

    Excerpt from, Michael Cohen’s Prison of Choice: Well-Known to Jewish Offenders:

    The [Otisville] camp has little in the way of fences or bars, and for observant Jewish inmates, it is “the closest thing you have to nirvana in a federal prison,” said Joel A. Sickler, a criminologist and consultant who advises mostly white-collar offenders facing prison sentences.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/nyregion/michael-cohen-otisville-prison.html

  227. Sparkon says:
    @vot tak

    You overlooked the Ilyushin Il-4, and the ADD. Although nominally a medium bomber with two engines, the Il-4 had the range and payload to conduct deep strikes into Germany during WWII. Although not quite on par with the B-17, the Il-4 was nevertheless roughly comparable to the Boeing heavy bomber.

    Il-4
    Maximum speed: 250 mph at 21,325 ft
    Range: 1,616 miles with 2,200 lbs of bombs; max range 2,400 miles
    Bombs: Up to 6,000 lbs of bombs or mines

    B-17
    Maximum speed: 287 mph
    Range: 2,000 mi with 6,000 lb bombload
    Bombs: Long range missions (≈800 mi): 4,500 lb

    During WWII, the Soviets built over 5,200 Il-4s, along with 1,200 of the related torpedo bomber DB-3F.

    The Il-4 was the main weapon of the Soviet’s ADD – Авиация Дальнего Действия (AДД), or Long Range Aviation, an autonomous air force active during WWII from 3/5/1942 – 6/12/1944, which operated under the direct command of Stavka and Iosef Stalin.

    On 5 March 1942, Stavka reorganized the Long-Range Bomber Aviation as an autonomous force: the Long-Range Aviation (Авиация дальнего действия (АДД)), under the command of Alexander Golovanov. The force remained directly subordinate to Stavka and independent of the mainstream VVS-PVO. Its focus was strategic: bombing missions on administrative, political and military targets deep in the enemy’s rear … The core of this specialist bomber-force was the long-range Ilyushin Il-4 bomber, though Petlyakov Pe-8s and other aircraft were also used.
    […]
    The five long-range bomber corps had, at various times, nearly 3000 aircraft, of which 1800 were combat aircraft. The heavy bombers struck the cities of Danzig, Königsberg, Kraków, Berlin, Helsinki, Tallinn and others.

    During WWII, the Soviet Union had three distinct air forces – the regular air force VVS, the air defense force PVO, and the ADD, long range aviation.

    During the so-called Cold War after WWII, the Soviets reconstituted Long Range Aviation with the Tu-4, their copy of the B-29s that had fallen into their hands after diverting from air raids on Japan. By the mid ’50s, the Soviet design bureaus had come up with native designs for long range bombers, and one of those, the Tu-95, is still flying for the Russian VVS today, much as its American counterpart the B-52 still flies for the USAF, along with the B-1 and B-2, because you can never have too many heavy bombers if you ever set out to bomb some nation back to the stone age, or turn its countryside into “a glass parking lot.”

    Onward Christian Airmen!

  228. Anon[149] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    According Christian Science Monitor, we have wasted 1 trillion on Israel . That assessment was more than 10
    years ago .

    • Replies: @geokat62
  229. geokat62 says:
    @Anon

    According Christian Science Monitor, we have wasted 1 trillion on Israel . That assessment was more than 10 years ago .

    10 years ago is 2010. That means the US was already 9 years into Afghanistan and 7 years into Iraq. If we include the costs of waging war in these two arenas, America probably wasted closer to $6 trillion.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  230. anon[149] • Disclaimer says:

    SCOTUS under papal authority , cabinet congress mad senate under Israel
    USA is ready to fight China headlong .

    “it is worth shining a spotlight on the links Barrett has to an organization described by a defector as a “totalitarian” group “imbued with fascist ideas turned to religious purposes” with direct involvement in the darkest activities of what some call the permanent or “deep” state.

    The man who is said to vet the president’s list of SCOTUS candidates, Leonard Leo, h has figured in the appointment of all but one of the conservative justices currently sitting on the Supreme Court,

    s Leo’s association to another organization that reveals links to far older and more powerful networks that harken back to the most recondite history of Cold War politics and the CIA in their ostensible fight against communism through an “unholy alliance” between the intelligence agency, the Vatican and the Mob

    Leonard Leo is a board member of the Opus Dei’s Catholic Information Center (CIC), where sitting U.S. Attorney General, Bill Barr, and White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, also once served. The Catholic lay group has been described as one of the world’s “most powerful and politically committed” secret societies, with direct ties to the Vatican as a “personal prelature,”

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-court-of-god-how-a-catholic-secret-society-took-over-scotus/271612/

  231. anon[250] • Disclaimer says:

    Tony Blinken, Joe Biden’s senior advisor, stated: “He [Biden] would not tie military assistance to Israel to any political decisions that it makes. Period. Full stop. He said it; he’s committed to it.”
    counterpunch

  232. anon[284] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Snce 1973, Israel has cost the United States about $1.6 trillion. And now Israel wants more. In a meeting at the White House late last month, Israeli officials made a pitch for $4 billion in additional military aid to defray the rising costs of dealing with the intifada and suicide bombings. They also asked for more than $8 billion in loan guarantees to help the country’s recession-bound economy.Considering Israel’s deep economic troubles, Stauffer doubts the Israel bonds covered by the loan guarantees will ever be repaid. In addition, the US has given Egypt $117 billion and Jordan $22 billion in foreign aid in return for signing peace treaties with Israel. In 1973 President Nixon resupplied Israel with US arms, triggering the Arab oil embargo against the US. The US lost $420 billion (in 2001 dollars) of output as a result, Stauffer calculates. And a boost in oil prices cost another $450 billion. US Jewish charities and organizations have remitted grants or bought Israel bonds worth $50 billion to $60 billion. Though private in origin, the money is “a net drain” on the United States economy, says Stauffer.
    • The US has already guaranteed $10 billion in commercial loans to Israel, and $600 million in “housing loans.” (See editor’s note below.) Stauffer expects the US Treasury to cover these. The US has given $2.5 billion to support Israel’s Lavi fighter and Arrow missile projects. Israel buys discounted, serviceable “excess” US military equipment. Stauffer says these discounts amount to “several billion dollars” over recent years. Israel uses roughly 40 percent of its $1.8 billion per year in military aid, ostensibly earmarked for purchase of US weapons, to buy Israeli-made hardware. It also has won the right to require the Defense Department or US defense contractors to buy Israeli-mUS policy and trade sanctions reduce US exports to the Middle East about $5 billion a year, costing 70,000 or so American jobs, Stauffer estimates. Not requiring Israel to use its US aid to buy American goods, as is usual in foreign aid, costs another 125,000 jobs.ade equipment or subsystems, paying 50 to 60 cents on every defense dollar the US gives to Israel. Israel has blocked some major US arms sales, such as F-15 fighter aircraft to Saudi Arabia in the mid-1980s. That cost $40 billion over 10 years, says Stauffer.

    Stauffer’s list will be controversial. He’s been assisted in this research by a number of mostly retired military or diplomatic officials who do not go public for fear of being labeled anti-Semitic if they criticize America’s policies toward Israel.

    https://www.csmonitor.com/2002/1209/p16s01-wmgn.html

    Now another new angle from the same dagger :

    “Bipartisan Bill Would Give Israel Veto Powers Over US Arms Sales
    Bill would require the president to consult with Israel over Middle East weapons sales
    Dave DeCamp Posted onOctober 5, 2020 http://www.antiwar.com
    A group of bipartisan lawmakers introduced a bill in the House that would effectively give Israel the power to veto US arms sales to countries in the Middle East.
    The bill was introduced by Rep. Brad Schneider (D-IL). In a press release, Rep. Schneider said the bill would “require the President to consult with the Israeli government to ensure QME concerns are settled” regarding arms sales to Middle Eastern countries.

    • Thanks: geokat62
    • Replies: @geokat62
  233. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    At the Israel America Council’s National Conference Nancy Pelosi (whose father was literally a Shabbos goy) put Israel before America:

    I have said to people when they ask me if this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain is our commitment to our aid…and I don’t even call it aid…our cooperation with Israel.

  234. @geokat62

    ‘See, I told you they think we’re all just dumb goyim!’

    It’s a crutch Aaron rests on in particular. He’s ceaselessly trying to demonstrate to himself that he’s more intelligent than his interlocutor.

    It would be infuriating if he actually was particularly intelligent. As it is, since he’s merely kind of state college undergraduate smart, it’s better described as exasperating.

  235. @geokat62

    ’10 years ago is 2010. That means the US was already 9 years into Afghanistan and 7 years into Iraq. If we include the costs of waging war in these two arenas, America probably wasted closer to $6 trillion.’

    Don’t forget how much we have allowed Israelis to simply steal — primarily from us. There was the long-running ‘binary options’ scam, for example — and all those people are still in place, no doubt doing something.

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But is it even a friend?
The gagged whistleblower goes on the record.
Today’s CIA serves contractors and bureaucrats—not the nation.