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The persistence of the Israel-Palestine conflict together with its clash of civilizations subplot invites inquiry far beyond the simplistic explanation that it is about two peoples seeking to occupy the same land at the same time. It has spawned hundreds of books and articles, some well informed and others purely polemical. Scores of “experts,” most of whom are advocates for one side or the other, are part of a seemingly vast industry that seeks to understand what has happened in the past and tries to come to grips with what is currently taking place. Some pundits even look ahead, rejecting the view that the conflict is intractable and floating plans to bring about some kind of a solution that is acceptable to both sides as well as to the neighboring and sometimes not-so-neighboring governments that have inexorably been drawn in to the dispute.

Given the intense focus and the passions aroused by the conflict it is rare to find a book or article that says something new but Jeremy Hammond’s Obstacle to Peace: The U.S. Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict does just that, deconstructing the prevailing narrative on the Middle East while also explaining in meticulous and fully documented detail why and how a succession of United States administrations has actually become the greatest impediment to a just settlement that would benefit both Palestinians and Israelis. Washington, which pretends to be part of a possible solution, is actually the problem.

Hammond is an award winning investigative journalist and the editor of Foreign Policy Journal. Along the way to his central thesis his book provides an exhaustive history of the Israel-Palestine relationship which, to be sure, will interest many readers. But it is his insight into how Washington’s blatant hypocrisy has been the most significant factor making peace between the two parties impossible that gets to the real heart of the matter.

The United States has for many years appeared to promote a peaceful and mutually beneficial “two state solution” to the conflict between Jews and Arabs. That in theory means that there should be two independent nations existing side by side, one made up largely of Palestinian Arabs and the other mostly consisting of Israeli Jews. That would seem to be a reasonable outcome and one that many fair minded individuals would comfortably endorse. Much of the world has, in fact, gone along with that formula, allowing the United States to take the lead in what have been remarkably unproductive peace talks.

Failure at the negotiating table has been largely due to the fact that there is a flaw in the arrangement, which is that Washington has gone along with and repeatedly echoes the Israeli insistence that both confidence building and final arrangements should be the product of bilateral negotiations between the two sides.

Tying all attempts at conflict resolution to obligatory bilateral negotiations mean that Israel has de facto been able to postpone any real movement towards a peace agreement and basically to reject the entire two state concept. Richard Falk describes the process as a “holding operation” that is not intended to produce results while the inexorable Israeli settling of the West Bank continues under the radar. That it works that way is because one side, the Israelis, representing a unified and powerful state that actually occupies much of the other side’s territory, is able to call the shots, exercising its will relatively freely, accepting or refusing to accommodate even reasonable proposals by the Palestinian negotiators sitting across the table.

Even so, and in spite of the asymmetry in power, as it is in Israel’s own long term interest to come to some kind of arrangement with the Palestinians, the two sides might well have taken reasonable steps to narrow the differences between themselves and move towards an agreement. That they did not come to an understanding was due to the other flaw in the arrangement, which was that Washington has never served as an even-handed broker between Palestinian and Israeli. It has always favored the latter, quite understandably, reflective of the powerful Jewish interests in the United States versus the almost non-existent and essentially voiceless Arab-American lobby. The bond between Washington and Tel Aviv has frequently been described as a “special relationship” even though it does not commit Israel in any way to take any action favored by Washington. Quite the contrary in reality, but the belief on the part of many Establishment Americans that there is something “special” persists, frequently embellished with other fulsome expressions like “greatest ally” and “best friend.”

Washington knows very well but will never acknowledge that phony peace talks provide cover for Israeli expansion on the ground that will make a Palestinian state impossible to achieve. Indeed, Israel could not possibly continue its settlement policy, which is opposed by nearly all the world, without American tacit support. And the White House’s role as Israel’s patron and de facto collaborator has materially affected the ongoing discussion on what to do in a number of other ways. It has, for example, effectively empowered the political hard right wing in Israel by permitting Tel Aviv to take popular but extreme positions knowing that there will be no consequences.

Washington has also framed the actual peace talks, when they occur, in such a way as to always turn back to the “negotiations between the two sides” formula which puts the control back in Israel’s hands. Regarding those negotiations, it never pressures Israel in any way and always claims to “have Israel’s back.” Even mild rebukes about new settlement building are always balanced and made irrelevant by simultaneously accusing the Palestinians of “creating obstacles” and “incitement.”

Beyond its own internal discipline on the issue, the United States will not allow anyone else to pressure Israel either. It has blocked attempts by the Palestinians to upgrade their status in the United Nations or to obtain access to the International Criminal Court. Congress and the White House have both together and individually taken steps to sanction perfectly legal and non-violent Palestinian attempts to put economic pressure on Israel through the Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement.

Hammond sees a Washington that has been so thoroughly subverted by Israeli interests that it has no wiggle room to behave independently on any issue viewed as important to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. By using its United Nations veto the State Department has consistently provided Israel with protective political cover whenever it behaves badly, insuring that there will no consequences whatsoever if the Netanyahu government continues to steal Arab land and expand its own authority on the West Bank. Protecting Israel is the norm even when its actions damage actual American interests. When General David Petraeus spoke candidly in 2010, saying that Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians was endangering American soldiers operating in the Middle East, he was quickly forced to recant.

Hammond also examines in some detail the role of the U.S. punditry and media in sustaining the imbalance in the public perception about Israel vs. Palestine. Israel’s actual language and its propagandistic viewpoint in describing the conflict are adopted not only by the federal government but also by mainstream journalists and think tank “experts.” As Hammond puts it, “they choose not to see” that the entire two-state formula is a sham deliberately intended to serve as a delaying tactic. As part of the process Arabs are regularly diminished as human beings, invariably being described in negative terms, suggesting that they have to somehow politically mature if they ever want to achieve statehood. Those Palestinians who are brave enough to attack Israeli soldiers are always described as “terrorists,” which resonates with a western audience that both associates terror with Muslims and is predisposed to be fearful of attacks at home sourced to the instability in the Middle East.

In the U.S. media the illegal Israeli occupation of much of the West Bank and nearly all of East Jerusalem is rarely mentioned and the right of an occupied people to resist under international law is never discussed. And when peace talks inevitably break down it is always because Israel “has no one to negotiate with” or “because the Palestinians have turned down a generous offer” or have been “rejectionist” not because Israel has a vested interested in jawing interminably while it continues to build settlements that create facts on the ground that will eventually be used to justify a takeover of nearly all the West Bank.

Hammond demonstrates how the Israeli-U.S.-media nexus works in practice in relationship to the devastating 2008-9 Operation Cast Lead attack on Gaza. Israel provoked the crisis, announced that diplomatic options had broken down, applied more pressure until there was a response, and then exercised an overwhelming military option, killing 1400 Gazans including possibly as many as 400 children. The U.S. government supported the Israeli action as “going after terrorists” and “legitimate defense” while the mainstream media followed suit. Bear in mind that Gaza had no army of any kind and its vulnerable civilians had virtually no means to resist the Israeli attack, which included a number of documented war crimes.

Jeremy Hammond’s website includes additional reviews and commentary on Obstacles to Peace. He has written his book in an attempt to inform the American public about what is really going on in the Middle East. He seeks to empower his fellow citizens to emphatically reject the actions of the government, the mainstream media and the host of think tank experts who have pretty much had things their own way for fifty years. May he find success. To my mind his book is essential reading on Israel-Palestine, joining the classic John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy, Steven Sniegoski’s The Transparent Cabal and Alison Weir’s Against Our Better Judgement. The only thing still missing is an in-depth exploration of the actual damage that Israel has done to the United States with its spying, technology theft, subornation of congress and generally parasitic behavior. I might write that one.

 
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  1. anon • Disclaimer says:

    BS
    bigger fish to fry than Israel.
    dozens of conflicts in the world.
    all involve muslms. 1 involves jews.

    muslims ,whether they be palestinians , pakistanis, sudanese, or indonesians are incompatible with any other group.

    sudanese commit genocide in occupued darfur: 1 million plus killed

    indonesia commit genocide in occupied papua 500,000 plus killed.

    israel palestinian conflict 22,000 killed

  2. The absurdity of the notion that sacrificing Israel or the Alter of Muslim rage is beyond credulity. What ever imperfection and or even venality arising out of the capture of US policy by the neoco, NWO elites, sacrificing Israel will no more appease these mad dogs than the Munich accords appeased Hitler.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Anonymous
  3. RobinG says:

    This I like:

    “the Zionists had no legal authority for their unilateral declaration of the existence of Israel on May 14, 1948.

    The UN’s acceptance of Israel’s territorial conquest as a fait accompli and admission of Israel as a member in the wake of the war did not confer ex post facto legal authority for that declaration or justify the ethnic cleansing of the Arab population.

    There’s an entire section in the book, by the way, about Israel’s UN membership, and how the UN violated the UN Charter and prejudiced the rights of the Palestinians”

    Jeremy Hammond

    The “state of Israel” is an illegal construct, and the sooner it’s deconstructed (peacefully dismantled), the better.

    • Replies: @TJM
    , @TJM
    , @Sam Shama
  4. What’s uniquely problematic about the “special relationship” is its immense depth, its vast reach and its intense gravitational pull. This is no small matter.

    The Israeli lobby may be centered in Washington, but it’s tentacles stretch worldwide. Moreover, Jews are–pound-for-pound–the world’s most educated, wealthy, cohesive, savvy and influential sect. This makes The Lobby uniquely powerful. And ‘unique’ is, in this case, no exaggeration.

    Even the ancient Romans complained about their haughty arrogance.

    And for millions of Jews throughout the world, Jewish security is inseparable from Israel’s. And Israel is on a world-class winning streak.

    Whereas other powerful and well-funded lobbies such as the NRA and the AARP are largely transparent and strictly domestic, the ‘Israeli lobby’ has no national boundaries. It also binds together individual identity with a group security in a fashion that is unparalleled.

    Toss in a race-oriented religion, supremely-high intelligence, historic grievance, economic power and stratospheric levels of ethnocentrism, and what we’ve got on our hands is a hornet’s nest of entitlement, resentment and hubris. These are God’s Chosen People.

    You may not believe it, but they do.

    And from the ashes of The Holocaust rose the downtrodden and the indestructible Jewish people. Innocent and suffering. Always innocent.

    That’s the modern outline anyway. And it packs a punch.

    By contrast, Americans who identify as White are routinely depicted as ‘racists’ and scoundrels. Only Hollywood could manufacture and sustain such a narrative.

    If the Jews aren’t the world’s most glorious and cohesive tribe, then who is?

    Similarly, their cultural and political footprint is humongous.

    World Jewry (including Israel) constitutes the world’s foremost superpower. The craven conduct of America’s entire governing class proves this.

    The overriding influence of Zionism in the West goes a long way towards explaining why there is not one prominent public figure who will critically examine Jewish power at length or explore Jewish wealth and privilege openly. It doesn’t happen. It can’t.

    Plus, there’s the opaque but vaguely recognizable network of shadowy and covert pro-Zionist organizations which never rest and which span the globe. Israeli surveillance, sabotage and intelligence-gathering is both revered and reviled. Jewish agency can be ruthless.

    America–and the world–has a huge problem on its hands. Jewish power is on the rise. And it is unyielding. This dangerous condition will not soon change.

  5. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    “It’s All for Israel”

    “Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel’s targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi’ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.” (A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties, Oded Yinon, monabaker.com)

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/06/20/its-all-for-israel/

    Shouldn’t Americans be proud that their sons and daughters are being sacrificed for the glory of Eretz Israel?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  6. Rehmat says:

    Jeremy Hammond doesn’t mention any thing new. Anyone who has studied the Zionist occupation of once a Muslim-majority Palestine from some objective source knows that United States along with USSR and Britain played part of midwives for the creation, arming, and supporting to this day the “shitty little Zionist entity”.

    In August 2009, I pulled Jeremy Hammond’s dirty pants by criticizing his interview with Pakistan’s ISI chief Lt. Gen. Hamid Gul. In order to hide his ‘Crypto Zionist’ credentials, Jeremy Hammond, wrote a lengthy article, entitled, “Rehmat’s Delusional World”.

    Iran’s Islamists are the only ones who have shown the guts to help Palestinians financially and morally – risking the wrath of world powers controlled by the Zionist Judeo-Christianity.

    The United States and Britain have long turned into Israel’s colonies. They along with Russia have lost their will to challenge the Zionist regime to even postpone building new illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem captured by the Jewish army in June 1967. In 2010, David Makovsky, of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a close associate of Dennis Ross, Obama’s chief adviser on the Middle East, disclosed that Obama wrote a letter to Benjamin Netanyahu to freeze the settlements for two months in return for a series of extraordinarily generous offers to Israel, many of them at the expense of the Palestinians. The offer was rejected by Netanyahu.

    Last year, Obama promised to increase US $3 billions annual military aid to $4.5 billions if the dude keep his mouth shut over the so-called P5+1 and Iran nuclear agreement. Ironically, Netanyahu got the increase without shutting his big mouth.

    US-born American anti-war activist, Dr. Dahlia Wasfi MD, in a 2008 speech (watch below) claims that the United states is totally occupied by Israel through Jewish lobby groups and Jewish oligarchs who buy US politicians as we saw during the recent AIPAC conference.

    Dr. Wasfi explains how the current bloodshed in the Middle East was started by the US, Israel, UK, and their regional clients to weaken the Muslim countries surrounding the Zionist entity for the benefit of Israel.

    Wasfi was born to an American Jewish mother and a Muslim Iraqi father in 1971. She is married to Ross Caputi, a US Marine, who fought in Iraq……

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/03/27/dahlia-wasfi-us-is-under-israeli-occupation/

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
  7. TJM says:
    @anon

    WHAT, “one conflict involves Jews”, in your Zionist dreams!

    EVERY CONFLICT INVOLVES JEWS! Look at the filth behind Ukraine, Gloria Nuland and her filthy Zionist Husband Robert Kagan, The oligarchs who push for that conflict, George Soros and Igor Kolomoisky, both Zionist Jews.

    AIPAC demanded America attack Iraq, and demanded we attack Syria, Libya and Iran.

    Council of Foreign relation, the Atlantic Group, Wilson Center, AIPAC, J-Street, American Enterprise Institute, The Brookings Institute…and on and on ALL ZIONIST JEW organizations that push for war around the world.

    As for Palestinians you Zionist freak, are the ones being persecuted, the very idea that THEY are the cause the conflict with Israel is absolutely insane.

    news flash freak, the reason much of the Muslims world is in chaos is because Zionist Jews are working tirelessly to produce THAT CONFLICT, just like they do here in America with “Black Lives Matter”. Sorry to rain on you incredible lies, but America had NO ENEMIES BEFORE ISRAEL WAS CREATED!

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
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    , @Wally
    , @Wizard of Oz
  8. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Greg Bacon

    “Shouldn’t Americans be proud that their sons and daughters are being sacrificed…”

    Americans are not conscripted. If a knothead is stupid enough to go in the military, they will always get what they always get. Wars will not stop until the people simply refuse to participate.

  9. annamaria says:
    @anon

    Let’s stay on point. It is not just a state of Israel –– it is zionism X neocons = Ziocons –– the parasitoids on the living hapless body of the US, which are the topic of this article.
    After killing thousands of hundreds innocent civilians in the Middle East and destroying whatever economic stability the US had before the US-initiated wars and regime changes in the Middle East, the US have been actively supporting the alleged 9/11 culprits, Al Qaeda, to help Israelis to get the Golan Heights and to destroy another formerly functioning M.E. state. See Yinon Plan: http://www.voltairenet.org/article186019.html

    “US Senator: “We Have Never Done Anything More Loathsome or Despicable Than What We’re Doing in Syria.”
    “Senator Richard Black and Janice Kortkamp discuss the shameful situation in Syria, where the US government is actively arming and funding Al Nusra (Al Qaeda) and “conduits” (“moderates”), blending them together, and then using this model to exterminate the Syrian population.”
    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/us-senator-we-have-never-done-anything.html

    No wonder that the despicable war criminal Wolfowitz and the hateful Kagans support Mrs. Clinton for president; she is always ready for initiating another slaughter in the Middle East (and Ukraine) on cue from her handlers.

  10. TJM says:
    @RobinG

    “Mad dogs”, do you mean the Israeli’s?

    Where do you think you are that you can speak such lies and get away with it. Israel and its rabid supporters IS the reason their is conflict in the Middle East.

    Zionist Jews work tirelessly to create conflict in the Middle East. Everyone knows Iran has no nukes, but that does not stop the mad dog Netanyahu from pushing for war with Iran. Just like he did with Iraq. And within and without of the US governemnt, Zionist Jew forces work to create conflict with Russia, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Iran, Muslims in general, and anyone who stands in their way of global financial domination.

    Just look at he Bretix vote, the Zionist were trying to work their magic to scare the Brits into staying in their NWO, but the Brits said NO. Interesting FACT, the EU gives preferential trade deal with ISRAEL, even though it is against their charter, and give no such sweetheart deals to any other member.

    Hollywood, which is undeniably Zionist Jew, promotes hate of both Christians, Muslims, and Russians, while promoting sex, violence and greed to an unassuming public.

    Zionism is the greatest force for evil on the planet, and everything form Wikileaks to Google can back that statement up!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  11. atheo says: • Website

    Jeremy has been a stalwart denier of the power of the Israel lobby. Vehement insistence on the fallacious “war for oil” dogma.

    Any critique of Israel coming from Hammond should be viewed as a limited hangout intended to obscure Jewish power within western establishments.

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
  12. @anon

    “dozens of conflicts in the world.
    all involve muslms. 1 involves jews.”

    But the “one that involves Jews” is much the bigger strategic problem for the US. That’s the difference.

    The “one that involves Jews” is the one that is, over time, inexorably alienating the US from the Arabs and those who are sympathetic to the dispossession of the Palestinians, especially other Muslim states such as Iran and Turkey, the two natural regional leaders.

    The “one that involves Jews” is the one that is creating strategic space for Russia and, in the long term much more challengingly, for China.

    You make the standard, sophistic pro-Israel argument, an deliberately opaque conflation of moral and strategic “reasoning” that has no goal other than to promote the welfare of Israel as you understand it.

    You represent the destructive parasitism that Phil Giraldi makes reference to in his last paragraph.

  13. @anon

    all involve muslms. 1 involves jews.

    On Sept 12, 2002 Benjamin Netanyahu urged a US congressional committee to attack Iraq.
    Therefore, it’s reasonable — essential, really, to include the hundreds of thousands of dead in Iraq among the “wars that involve Jews” and deaths resulting from those wars.

    From Michael Eisenstadt’s recent comments on C Span, it’s also reasonable to conclude that the war in Syria “involves Jews,” therefore the 250,000 to 400,000 deaths and the massive displacement and destabilization of Syrians can be attributed at least in part to “Jewish involvement.”

    Further, Eisenstadt’s core message — his Luntzian talking points — urged that the USA “remain involved, must remain involved, has to remain involved” in the debacles in the Middle East for years, decades, perhaps several generations to come, to “support our allies,” and as every American knows from the first slap he experiences across his behind, Israel is “America’s ally,” with whom the USA has a “special relationship,” nunc et in aeternum, co-terminus with Jewish involvement in wars and consequent deaths.

    Own it.

    • Replies: @Sherman
  14. TJM says:
    @RobinG

    There is no such thing as peaceful anything when you are dealing with Israeli’s. That is the great mistake of the West, they and their institutions are infested with Zionists, and they wonder why everything is going so poorly. But when you look at those pulling the strings, like a George Soros, or Bill Krystal, and those writing the legislation for the puppet politicians, you see the face of the Zionist.

    The man who pushed for the war ON Iraq, the men who wrote the sanctions on Iran, the persons who pushed for the conflict in Ukraine, the man who wrote the “Patriot Act”, or the men who work to justify the changes in American understanding of the Constitution and our Freedoms, the men who work to open our borders, the men who wrote the immigration “reform act”, the men who worked to undermine Glass- Steagler…and so much more. America is profoundly influenced by Zionist Jews, that in itself is concerning, but its the fact that we are NOT allowed to discuss this influence, even deny its existence is the most destructive.

  15. @Mark Green

    “America–and the world–has a huge problem on its hands. Jewish power is on the rise. And it is unyielding. This dangerous condition will not soon change.”

    The only thing that will change it, sadly, is a crisis of the American system. If the Chinese are successful in building a parallel global financial structure that ends US financial hegemony, it will unleash a catastrophic economic situation in which the US can no longer live beyond its means via the imperial tribute it exacts through dollar and treasury bill dominance. In the chaos that follow, the position of the Jews will become extremely perilous.

    Only that eventuality will create conditions–that is, conditions of intense suffering and instability in the US–that would allow for the termination of Jewish power as it now exists–hence, in large part, the panicky, aggressive anti-Chinese campaign that has been launched since the 2008 financial crisis.

  16. TJM says:
    @Mark Green

    Great post, one question though, as for their winning streak, would you not consider the Syrian conflict a loss for the “tribe”?

    As well, Kiev seems not to be working out as they planned or Turkey.

    Everyplace where Zionist Jews have spread their influence the nations have declined, and no better example of this is America.

    They control the media, entertainment, Hollywood, Wall Street, the Fed, Washington…and they are destroying the rest of the nation through the use of mas immigration.

    They have a desire for conflict, and are pushing idiot America to engage in a conflict with Russia and China. Things are changing with the internet, the word is getting out, even though they try and control that too. the question is, is it too late?

  17. Sherman says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    What was that part about your parents teaching you to respect Jews?

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    , @Rehmat
  18. @Sherman

    Is this by-now tedious rejoinder your admission that you are unable to, or incapable of, refuting any of the stated facts about Jewish involvement in wars in Iraq and Syria?

    • Replies: @Sherman
  19. What is usually neglected in all the “Jews are at fault” stuff that is spewed with great energy is the Muslim ideology of the Umma. The Land of Israel was occupied by Muslims during the conquest that began immediately after Mohamed’s death. The position if Muslims is that whatever was Muslim land is eternally Muslim land. Consequently, there can be no peace unless either Israel pushed into the Sea, or Islam is destroyed.

    The idea that the Jews are at fault is utter nonsense. Muslims will allow no compromise and have repeatedly stated that the two state “solution” is simply a way station on the way to the ultimate goal, the total destruction of Israel.

    The UN passed a resolution on 29 November 1947 to establish Israel and called for all parties to do their part to carry it out. The British Mandate terminated at Midnight 14 May 1948. The state of Israel came into existence at that point. The idea that Israel is an illegal entity is, to put it bluntly, a lie.

    The Arab neighbors of Israel invaded shortly after the state was established, and Israel was able to survive with little outside aid. Those same Arab countries were setting up to try again in 1967, and lost in 6 days after Nasser ordered UN peacekeepers out of the Sinai and started moving troops into the Sinai. The Israelis struck because they new they would be overwhelmed if they did not. The Arabs lost in 6 days.

    You may be like Rehmat and think it’s all “da Jooooos,” but the facts tell a much different story. The Israelis do all they can to prevent civilian causalities, while Arabs use kids as shields, as just one example.

    This all comes down to Muslim recalcitrance, and they will not give up until Israel is no more. God, however, made a promise to Abraham and that promise will be kept. Muslims are preaching a lie, and they will bang their heads on a wall that God erected many years ago. That land is Israel’s home, and it will remain so.

  20. Sherman says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Rejoinder?

    Who taught you such a big word?

    Not only are you a neo-Nazi psycho but you’re also pretentious.

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    , @annamaria
  21. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Phil….just write it.

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  22. Art says:
    @Quartermaster

    The Israelis do all they can to prevent civilian causalities, while Arabs use kids as shields, as just one example.

    Quartermaster,

    You personally are a prime example of why the Jew are so disrespected by the world. You have no compunction about telling an in your face lie.

    The treatment of Palestinian children by Israeli authorities is nothing sort of criminal.

    Australian film ‘Stone Cold Justice’ on Israel’s torture of Palestinian children

    A film which has been produced by a group of Australian journalists has sparked an international outcry against Israel after it explicitly detailed Tel Aviv’s use of torture against Palestinian children.

    The film, titled ‘Stone Cold Justice’ documents how Palestinian children, who have been arrested and detained by Israeli forces, are subjected to physical abuse, torture and forced into false confessions and pushed into gathering intelligence on Palestinian activists

    https://vimeo.com/86575949

    Art

  23. Rehmat says:
    @Sherman

    Why any Christian would respect todays Jews, who never existed when the four GOSPELs were authored? However, as the time passes, the Gentile from North Africa and Asia converted to Israelite faith in the 4th and 10th centuries to loot and corrupt the Christian lands in the West.

    The ‘Semite fraud’ runs in the self-denial Zionist Jew blood. For example, Benjamin Netanyahu’s speech at UN General Assembly last year was all about Iran’s nuclear program. That’s didn’t surprise pro-Iran diplomats listening to Netanyahu parroting, but what surprised many observers was the absence of two pro-Israel Crypto Jews; US secretary of state John Kerry, and US ambassador to UN Samantha Power.

    Elliot Abrams, former White House Jew aid and a war criminal, did notice this anti-Israel gesture. Abrams, who is now a senior fellow at Jewish-controlled CFR, excused fellow Jew Kerry, but blasted Power at CFR’s website Pressure Points on October 2, 2015. “As for Samantha Power, one has to wonder what was running through her mind when she was instructed to stay away. Is this really why she left the academic and intellectual life– to be used by the Obama administration to insult and damage Israel?,” he wrote….

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/10/netanyahu-obama-and-bible-hate-jews/

  24. alexander says:
    @Quartermaster

    These are interesting observations, Quartermaster.

    There are, no doubt, many Muslim countries who do not accept the existence of the state of Israel, no matter where its borders are.

    (most of which have been thoroughly “pulverized” over the last 15 years)

    But there are many Muslim countries that DO accept the state of Israel, and many more who have acquiesced to its existence since 1948.

    The Arab peace initiative of 2002 recognizes the full rights of Israels existence within its mandated international borders.

    The Arab peace initiative fully conforms to all the parameters of the “two-state” solution.

    Israel CAN claim these initiatives are a smokescreen , and that the Muslims will take first advantage to attack and overwhelm Israel should they be given the time and the opportunity.

    But what if they don’t ?

    What if the initiative is authentic ?

    What if most of the Muslim world HAS accepted the state of Israel ?

    Why not take a chance at peace ?

    Is there so much Israel stands to lose except for the West Bank and the Golan Heights, which are not recognized as part of Israel by the world community, anyway ?

    If, as you say, it is the Muslim world, NOT Israel, that wants conflict, why is it Israel has no Peace Plan and the Muslims do ?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  25. @Sherman

    STILL unable to refute the stated facts regarding “Jewish involvement” in wars in Iraq and Syria. Doubling-down use of ad hominem.
    Signaling desperation.

    I don’t know much about debate & argument; I used to be a judge at debate tournaments when one of our kids was on a team that won national championships, but I wasn’t very good at it — the kids talked way too fast. But I did get the impression that the point of argument/debate was to present information that contradicted the adversary’s; or to demonstrate how the adversary’s evidence or logic was fallacious, etc.

    Your comments are a corollary to “if your only tool is a hammer, every problem is a nail.” The “nails” that you see all around you are, um, nailing you to the wall of mendacity — (oops, too big a word? I didn’t want to be crude and say something like, pack of stupid lies, but it means pretty much the same thing) — that a certain group has constructed over the past century or so; you’re unable to remove the nails, nor to free yourself from being bound by them, so you lash out, futilely, as it were, with the only hammer you’ve got: childish ad hominem. Funny how it’s almost like a signed confession.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  26. @alexander

    If, as you say, it is the Muslim world, NOT Israel, that wants conflict, why is it Israel has no Peace Plan and the Muslims do ?

    neon light-worthy.

    great comment.

  27. MMM says:
    @TJM

    “EVERY CONFLICT INVOLVES JEWS!”

    That is very true, and you will never read that in the Zionist owned and controlled propaganda aka Mainstream Media, and phony alternative media.

    ‘The Obstacle to Peace’ featured here is suspect because Noam Chomsky, gatekeeper for “Israel” and linguistic saboteur has endorsed it. Is it entirely honest?

    The world is waking up and finding out the names of what it is sick to death of — what has made it sick. And they are everywhere.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpybzN0cLo

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
    , @Lee
  28. RobinG says:
    @TJM

    Dis you intend this reply for #2 Joe Martin? (Those are not my mad dogs.)

  29. nickels says:

    There will be no peace until western Catholics ally with Russian Orthodoxy and forcibly remove the Hebrewites from the land of the saviour, reinstate Koine Greek and establish the rule of a united Catholic/Orthodox society in the Holy Lands.

  30. RobinG says:
    @Anonymous

    Indeed, Phil, write the book on “actual damage that Israel has done to the United States” but don’t limit it to theft and spying and snaring into unnecessary wars. Give some attention to their assault on the essence of this country, the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    OUR CIVIL RIGHTS ARE THREATENED BY ISRAEL

    Israel’s US Lobby hates the free speech of our 1st Amendment. On Monday the CA legislature was scheduled to vote on the anti-BDS AB 2844. (Anyone know how that went?) State laws like AB 2844 are attacks on our right to free expression. In Europe today, and Canada, there are laws prohibiting perceived anti-Semitism. If laws like AB 2844 are enacted that curtail meaningful criticism of Israel, we are on the way to restriction of open discussion such as we enjoy at Unz Review.

    COROLLARY: THE 2ND AMENDMENT PRECEDENT

    The recent attempt to use the ‘No Fly, No Buy’ list to abrogate gun rights was a vicious, lazy and stupid assault on all our civil rights. Those fools thought they could use the Orlando debacle to push through unconstitutional restrictions. No-Fly, No Buy is based on a secret list compiled by the FBI. Please imagine a secret list of “Persons critical of Israel” who will be summarily prohibited from publishing or speaking in public. (Maybe barred from internet or social media access.) If you note that a Canadian was recently sentenced to jail for posting writings on the web deemed anti-Semitic, you know this is not far-fetched.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
  31. I was only 17 years old when I realized almost everything that is wrong in the middle east is because of israel.

    if arabs ever want control of their own lands and lives, their only choice is to get rich and get better arms. basically strong enough where they can even resist the us military.

    it is hard with their leaders getting assassinated left and right, still they must try.

  32. schmenz says:

    Articles like this – and it is a fine article, by the way – depress me terribly. But as depressing as the situation is over there this article, by Steven Sniegoski, is even more depressing:

    http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/ (click on “New Article by Steven Sniegoski”)

    If what Sniegoski says is true, then Russia is dumber than I thought and there will never be any hope for the Palestinians.

  33. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    As creation of states go, importantly during the period over which colonial powers were drawing and re-drawing national boundaries, Israel’s was as exemplary an application of legal process as one might hope to feature. For example, the legal force material to the creation of separate states in the Indian subcontinent, was, in the final analysis, drawn of the “legal framework” and subsequent bequeathal of the body of relevant laws from HMG. And, not to put too fine a point on it, the United Nations had no influence in the matter whatsoever, other than in the capacity of an observer in population movements during the partition.

    In Israel’s case, the U.N. voted, [how the votes were cajoled is fodder for speculation and intrigue for fertile minds], yet its authority stands. There is little to benefit from rehashing the various wars: civil, international and aggressive, fought by the various populations on the expiry of the Mandate and thereafter.

    Dismantlement of the state therefore, is neither legal nor practical, nor possible without grievous consequences. Time and grey matter better spent formulating avenues which circumvent Bibi’s grip; on the Israeli population, and via their rulers, on the KSA and the Gulf. This is the only way I see forward to the 1SS with full rights for Arab citizens and no right of return, which is a non-starter for not just Israel but for the BDS’ers as well.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  34. annamaria says:
    @Sherman

    I apologize for the intrusion into your conversation with SolontoCroesus, but was not it a member of Kagans clan that cooperated with Ukrainian neonazis on behalf of the US government? There is also an famous Mr. Kolomojsky, a Ukrainian/Israeli citizen that used to finance Ukrainian neonazis in the course of the Kiev-initiated civil war. There was even an auto-da-fe in Odessa, which involved Mr. Kolomojsky’ employees from Azov battalion. In the US, Mr. Kolomojsky was warmly greeted by WSJ, a pro-Israel entity.
    Where was the Anti-Defamation League and AIPAC when of the US have started the collaboration with the neonazis? These Jewish organizations were silent when Nuland-Kagan fraternized with Ukrainian neonazis and when Israel traded Syrian oil with ISIS and provided med. treatment for ISIS jihadis.
    Actually, to a certain extend, I sympathize with you. Ziocons have no honor and no conscience. The lost tribe. In no measure they should be mistaken for Schweitzer, Einstein, Arendt and other amazing individuals produced by Jewish people living among other cultures than Jewish.
    Ziocons have become a planetary menace because of their power over the US governance.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  35. RobinG says:

    ISRAELI THINK-TANK SUPPORTS ISLAMIC STATE (ISIL)
    “The Western distaste for IS brutality and immorality should not obfuscate strategic clarity.”

    Of course, the Zionist penchant for weakening its neighbors takes precedence over mass murder, the destruction of a nation (Syria) and the destabilization of Europe. Their fraudulent demonization of Iran has unfortunately reached Trump’s ears. (Sad, but still more than cancelled by Hilligula’s fraudulent demonization of Putin and Russia.)

    BESA Center Perspectives Paper No. 353, August 2, 2016
    The Destruction of Islamic State is a Strategic Mistake
    http://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/destruction-islamic-state-strategic-mistake/

    • Replies: @Talha
  36. annamaria says:
    @annamaria

    correction: an infamous Mr. Kolomojsky

  37. @Sam Shama

    I hope Gucci has these in your size, Sam — https://www.gucci.com/us/en/pr/women/womens-shoes/womens-sandals/leather-studded-sandal-p-425930CQXL06476?gclid=CIbNp7Hj6c4CFckfhgod6LUG9w

    Given the way you dig in your heels in an attempt to sustain a narrative that started out on a slippery slope, you’re going to need high, stout heels and leather studs just to hang on as Team Israel loses the tug-of-war and is inexorably pulled into the mud pit.

    It was difficult to suggest Italian style: I hate to see anything Italian end up in the muck and mud, but on the other hand, only the best for our friend Sam.

    Rallegramenti per il tuo secondo posto finale

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  38. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I hadn’t any inkling that you were into women’s wear and cross-dressing; would’ve expected a preference for lederhosen, even paired with jackboots, more your style. I pass no judgement on tastes of course.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  39. @Rehmat

    Jeremy Hammond doesn’t mention any thing new.

    How would you know? You’d have to actually read the book.

  40. @Sam Shama

    Lederhosen??

    And hide these hard-won abs?

    re the cross-dressing thing — No aspersions intended: I was only thinking of you and your need for strong heels to dig in, all other avenues of extricating zionism from its morass being on the skids.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  41. @atheo

    Perhaps you should read the book before judging it. You could learn a great deal about why US policy toward the Israel-Palestine conflict is what it is if you did so.

  42. @Quartermaster

    The UN passed a resolution on 29 November 1947 to establish Israel and called for all parties to do their part to carry it out. The British Mandate terminated at Midnight 14 May 1948. The state of Israel came into existence at that point. The idea that Israel is an illegal entity is, to put it bluntly, a lie.

    The Arab neighbors of Israel invaded shortly after the state was established, and Israel was able to survive with little outside aid. Those same Arab countries were setting up to try again in 1967, and lost in 6 days after Nasser ordered UN peacekeepers out of the Sinai and started moving troops into the Sinai.

    This is all among the nonsense (i.e., standard mainstream media narrative) that I demolish in the book, i.e.,:

    * Resolution 181 neither created Israel nor conferred any legal authority to the Zionist leadership for their unilateral declaration of its existence on May 14, 1948.

    * By the time the neighboring Arab states managed to muster a military response, a quarter of a million Arabs had already been ethnically cleansed from their homes in Palestine — by the time it was over, 700,000 Arabs were ethnically cleansed in order for the “Jewish state” of Israel to be established.

    * The 1967 was begun by Israel on the morning of June 5 with a surprise attack on Israel despite Israel’s own intelligence assessing that there was no imminent threat of an Egyptian attack on Israel — an assessment the CIA certainly concurred with, having noted that Egypt’s forces had taken up defensive positions in the Sinai and having accurately predicted and informed Johnson that war was brewing, but that it would be Israel that would start it.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Karl
  43. @MMM

    ‘The Obstacle to Peace’ featured here is suspect because Noam Chomsky, gatekeeper for “Israel” and linguistic saboteur has endorsed it. Is it entirely honest?

    I welcome you to read it to be able to be in a position to judge that for yourself (as opposed to judging it based on your opinion of someone who has written a blurb for it). You mentioned the role of the mainstream media, which Obstacle to Peace focuses heavily on, showing how it systematically deceives people about the true nature of the conflict.

  44. @nickels

    Most “Roman Catholics” in the USA today are Mexican or Latin American, and they neither know nor care about eastern Orthodoxy.

    Why God would possibly care about “Koine Greek” or any other particular language being “reinstated”, is difficult to fathom.

    I do agree, however, that all white and western peoples should demand that their governments ally with Russia against the threats of Islam and China.

    • Replies: @nickels
  45. RobinG says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    Typo……. June 5 attack on Egypt, not Israel.

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
  46. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I only remark on this, the solitary instance when a misidentified defence of zionism and kitschy Italian [redundant distinction it may well be] women’s footwear were suddenly co-deposited in a political commentary.

    A projection of preferences was the only logical conclusion possible. I shall speak no more of the matter 🙂

  47. nickels says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I am beginning to think the whole Neocon obsession with continuing the cold war against Russia even after its over is exactly because they don’t want western Christians to link up with Orthodox Russian Christians.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  48. @RobinG

    Yes, thank you! Unfortunately, no way to edit to correct it, but quite a critical error! That should have of course read:

    The 1967 was begun by Israel on the morning of June 5 with a surprise attack on Egypt despite Israel’s own intelligence assessing that there was no imminent threat of an Egyptian attack on Israel…

    Thanks again for catching.

  49. Sam Shama says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    * Resolution 181 neither created Israel nor conferred any legal authority to the Zionist leadership for their unilateral declaration of its existence on May 14, 1948.

    What did it then create? The first movement of a symphony? Which is arguably true and the allegro was seized upon by the Israeli leadership for the rest of the work. A state is not an abstraction created from resolutions exclusively.

    You critically failed to mention [here, but perhaps accounted for in your book which I shall order] : The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab states.

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
    , @Art
  50. @Sam Shama

    What did it then create?

    Resolution 181 created nothing. Nor, again, did it confer any legal authority to the Zionist leadership for their unilateral declaration of the existence of the state of Israel.

    A state is not an abstraction created from resolutions exclusively.

    This statement assumes Israel was created partially from UN resolutions. Again, this is false.

    You critically failed to mention [here, but perhaps accounted for in your book which I shall order] : The resolution was accepted by the Jews in Palestine, yet rejected by the Arabs in Palestine and the Arab states.

    Yes, I cover that in the book. As you will learn, the UN partition plan was inherently prejudicial to Arab majority and in fact, carrying on in the tradition of the League of Nations Mandate, was premised upon racist colonialism and the explicit rejection of their right to self-determination.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  51. Wally says: • Website
    @Joe Martin Jr.

    Nonsensical propaganda created to sustain supremacist Jews / Zionism.

    Your position rests upon the ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’, a profoundly false & laughable premise.

    There is Hitler with the mythological ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there is Hitler without the mythological ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”

    – Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://www.codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Jews have been marketing the ‘6,000,000’ lie since 1869:

    • Replies: @Joe Martin Jr.
  52. Wally says: • Website
    @TJM

    The talented Mel Gibson nailed it.

    And actions of Jews prove it.

    see:
    Zionist Wikipedia Editing Course
    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139189
    and:
    The Zionist attempt to control language.
    The Israel Project’s 2009 GLOBAL LANGUAGE DICTIONARY
    https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf
    and:
    The commander behind the pro-Israel student troops on U.S. college campuses
    http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page//.premium-1.709014
    and:
    Israel tech site paying “interns” to covertly plant stories in social media
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/israel-tech-site-paying-interns-covertly-plant-stories-social-media
    and:
    Israeli students to get $2,000 to spread state propaganda on Facebook
    http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-students-get-2000-spread-state-propaganda-facebook

  53. Sam Shama says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    [Yes, I cover that in the book. As you will learn, the UN partition plan was inherently prejudicial to Arab majority and in fact, carrying on in the tradition of the League of Nations Mandate, was premised upon racist colonialism and the explicit rejection of their right to self-determination.]

    That’s all I needed to know. Thank you.

    Care to name a state created on principles of immaculate justice, by wise statesmen [and journalists] sitting around a table sagely nodding their approval or disapproval?

    Resolution 181 is as good as it gets, and more; if you are looking for greater international legitimacy in “nation-building” you would be barking up the wrong tree. 1967 was a calculus entirely different, and shines a dubious light on the nation.

    “deconstruction” and “peaceful dismantlement” of the state, as Robin advocates [and you do as well?] is, to use a legal term, funny. How do you do it? What channels? What happens to the populations?

  54. Michael Eisenstadt, director of MidEast Policy for WINEP, the AIPAC think tank that is also home to Dennis Ross, was guest on C Span Washington Journal to discuss what US policy should be going forward. https://www.c-span.org/video/?414130-5/washington-journal-michael-eisenstadt-middle-east-policy

    Eisenstadt urged that US “remain engaged” — for several decades if not forever, to “protect American interests and allies in the region.”

    Numerous callers to the program took the contrary view: USA should mind its own business and not attempt to impose its will or its culture on the peoples of the Middle East; they should be left alone to solve their own problems.

    Several of those callers said that “US interventions had caused nothing but death, destruction and instability for the people in the region, and erosion of rights and of security for the American people.”

    “What good has come from any of the US incursions in the region?” asked several callers of Eisenstadt.

    He responded:

    Has intervention ever worked? I would argue first of all in the ’73 war, where we actually threatened to intervene in response to perceived threats of the Soviets at the time, it was actually truly brilliant because it enabled us to help —enabled us to ensure an [unambiguous outcome to the ’73 war, which enabled, enabled Sadat eventually to seek peace with Israel and Sadat’s Egypt to become a close ally of the United States.

    So I think the ’73 war is a very good example of how American diplomatic and threatened military intervention actually bore tremendous results, both in terms of American interests and I would argue, for stability in the region.

    Eisenstadt’s response was particularly tone-deaf, in view of his own comments earlier: While reviewing the comments he had heard on a recent trip to the region, Eisenstadt said,

    “[I heard criticisms from Gulf Arabs of] our perceived abandonment of President Mubarak of Egypt once you had the Arab Spring in Cairo.

    Now I —- my, my come back to this is that, you know, we had no choice. I mean what are we going to do? Intervene and send the 82nd Airborne into Tahir Square in order to, y’know, enable Mubarak to keep his position? So I think there would be criticisms on that count that were unfair and we are just going to differ with our allies.”

    (SIDEBAR: This comment reminded me of a refrain Bennie Morris relied upon to salve his conscience regarding the massacres of Palestinian Arabs that his “revisionist history” research had uncovered: “Our backs were to the wall,” Morris pleaded. “Our backs were to the wall; all we could do was kill the Arabs, we had no choice. Oh — and rape, too; Israelis did a lot of raping. But our backs were to the wall.”)

    A few minutes later, in response to a question from the audience as to “whether Egypt will devolve into chaos like Libya, Syria, and Iraq,” Eisenstadt responded:

    “Right now, it looks like Sisi has a firm grip, but there are signs that that could change at any time as a result of an assassination or possible coup. Things are not going great in Cairo . . .
    It provides a great case in which from our point of view, there are a lot of things unpalatable in terms of the way he is prosecuting the fight against ISIL. On the other hand, we have seen in the past what happens when they get rid of authoritarian leaders and what often follows is worse. We have a horrible choice there.”

    This statement is particularly revealing in light of a comment that former Mossad agent and Israeli foreign policy consultant to Netanyahu Yossi Alpher made in Washington, DC in 2015. Alpher conceded that Sisi was a “military dictator” who was oppressing the very same young Egyptians who had risked their lives to oust Mubarak, and that as they grew older there would be simmering resentment of the dictator Sisi, but “We Israelis must do what is in our interest, and Sisi keeping a lid on Egypt is good for Israel.”
    “Our backs were to the wall.”

    The one consistency in Eisenstadt’s notions about Egypt is, Is it good for Israel?

    Humiliating Sadat, a strong, popular Egyptian leader, was a good thing — for Israel.
    Removing the strong-man puppet that exercised American-enforced control over Egypt was not a good thing because it resulted in too much power to the people, a situation that was quickly remedied by the overthrow of Morsi and his replacement with another strong man/puppet dictator who keeps the lid on Egypt — good for Israel.

  55. @Wally

    Quite the racist moron you are. Come on tell us just where all those 12 million people disappeared to? Got any pics of your SS tattoos you can show us?

    • Replies: @Wally
  56. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    Legalities aside, creating Israel has been a giant mistake that has brought a new tension to the whole world. Your Jews said that they would make the desert bloom – well the obvious result is blood and hate in the ME, Europe, and America. As many people have died as a result of Israel, as Jews that were killed in WWII. As you know, we are not even close to the beginning of the end of the killing.

    We see your fellow hasbaraists express a desire for much more death. In the last election, Netanyahu promised no peace, and the Jews voted him.

    You say Israel does wrong – but it is obvious that you defend it over the best interests of the country that you live within.

    You are not the average hasbaraist. What are we to think? What are your true desires?

    Art

  57. gdpbull says:

    The Jewish leaders are largely in denial that anti-semitism is rising in the US, which is their current favorite country next to Israel. Eventually, it will be undeniable. They will then begin to get nervous and start looking for their next favorite country to hopefully influence to be Israel’s protector. And it will become more obvious that the US is gradually becoming third world and will eventually be unable to protect Israel in any case. A hundred years from now, we will be much like Brazil. I estimate that about fifty years from now the (((((DiamondGoldSilversteinmanwitzbergs))))) will be starting to migrate in a big way to their new favorite country, probably China.

  58. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    One step at a time, and by pressure on all fronts.

    Here’s a reminder. On August 8 a case was filed in Federal court challenging the legality of U.S. aid to Israel.

    Lawsuit Claims Aid to Nuclear Israel Illegal Under Symington Glenn Amendments
    http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com/news/200/lawsuit-claims-aid-to-nuclear-israel-illegal-under-symington-glenn-amendments/

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  59. @Sam Shama

    ah, Sam, not only do the shoes fit and function for digging in heels, they’re useful for backpedaling — the glorification/normalization of zionism is contrary to other positions you have taken.

    States come and states go: Italy was invaded, occupied, oppressed, rebelled, restored, re-invaded a dozen times or more. Similar things happened to Persia. Germans have been decimated by wars — you should know that: Jews played a vanguard role in bringing about their destruction. They rose again, smaller bit of land, but still German.

    Why isn’t it reasonable that a state whose existence has come about at the expense — the devastating expense of most of its neighbors as well as hundreds of thousands of people in far distant lands who have been boonswoggled into financing and supporting it — bleeding for it, paying for it — why shouldn’t such an unpleasant blot on the globe be subjected to reformation, with extreme prejudice if need be? After all, doesn’t the US use its military might and financial power to alter the “behavior” of other states that have spent the last 3000 years in their own footprint, minding pretty much their own business until someone comes along who thinks their “behavior” needs to be changed?

    Can you think of any state more in need of behavioral adjustment than Israel?

    As for your “everybody does it” argument — did your learn that in one of your PhD courses? Surely that was not handed down to you in the 60% of Jewish genes that are from those kitschy Italians.

    Kitschy — is that Sicilian dialect, or Apulia?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  60. Actually America appears to be Israel’s servant.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  61. @Sam Shama

    Resolution 181 is as good as it gets…

    No, the racist, colonialist premises of Resolution 181 and the partition plan’s explicit rejection of the right of the Arab majority of Palestine to self-determination is not “as good as it gets”. As good as it gets would entail respecting the equal rights of all parties. As good as it gets would have been for the independence of Palestine to be recognized and a democratic government instituted under a constitution respecting minority rights and guaranteeing minority representation, which is precisely what the Arabs proposed, but which was rejected both by the Zionists and their Western imperialist benefactors.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  62. @Wayne Pacific

    Care to name a state created on principles of immaculate justice, by wise statesmen [and journalists] sitting around a table sagely nodding their approval or disapproval? https://www.unz.com/article/the-obstacle-to-peace/#comment-1548509

    Care to name a state created on principles of serially exploiting, then destroying, its selected superpower protector-state?

    It’s “in Jewish DNA:” Jews must have a superpower servant.

    As Israelis learned after 2,000 years of Diaspora to think in sovereign terms anchored in the country’s geostrategic reality, they recalled that throughout their earlier sovereign history, in biblical times, they had always sought to make alliances with strong powers in the extended neighborhood to ensure survival. Not accidentally, many of the periphery states and peoples — Iran, Ethiopia, the Kurds, the Maronites — had roots in the Middle East.

    The ancient Hebrews had learned to develop, in the words of former Mossad head Ephraim Halevy, “a regional great power strategy.” During the days of the prophets, they turned toward either Babylon or Egypt.** In more modern times, World War I, a small vanguard of strategic innovators, the Nili underground, led the transition from an Ottoman to a British orientation. “This is embedded in the DNA of the Jewish people: it must always rely on certain regional and international actors.” Modern Israel’s founders also realized that a sovereign Hebrew state or states had existed in the Holy Land for but a few centuries of over 1,000 years of pre-Diaspora Israelite presence. This was a chilling warning to the modern state’s founders of just how fragile the Jewish state’s long-term prospects were. https://www.amazon.com/Periphery-Israels-Search-Middle-Allies/dp/1442231017

    ** The ancient Hebrews slaughtered the first-born of their Egyptian protectors/allies, stole their treasure and killed their leaders.
    The ancient Hebrews overthrew the leadership of the Babylonian (Persian) guarantor of Hebrew security, stole their treasure and slaughtered their key leaders, his family, and 70,000 of its citizens.
    Upon acquiring Palestine from the British, the not-so-ancient Hebrews bombed their headquarters and aroused enmity between the British and the Arabs until the British threw up their hands and left.
    The Jewish State relied on Iran for its periphery protection until Iranians claimed their own right to self-determination. Jews left Iran in a snit and have been gunning for Iran ever since, killing its young scientists, ginning up wars involving Iran then profiting from them; working through US financial institutions to destroy Iran’s economy.

    Why should the people of USA expect any different treatment?
    Read what it says: “It is in the Jewish people’s DNA . . .”

  63. Noizpots says:

    Excellent review. I will buy the book ASAP. “The only thing still missing is an in-depth exploration of the actual damage that Israel has done to the United States with its spying, technology theft, subornation of congress and generally parasitic behavior. I might write that one.”

    Write it Phil. Who better than you to be able to relay these facts!

  64. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    That aid should be stopped as I’ve repeated endlessly. It makes little economic difference for Israel, but just you watch the bleats that will come out of – Egypt, Jordan, and a whole host of others.

    Look I am unimpressed by these lawsuits. Many of these and other complaints have been filed in the past based on obscure draws on the legal code. Won’t go anywhere.

    You haven’t addressed any of the other questions I posed:

    Care to name a state created on principles of immaculate justice, by wise statesmen [and journalists] sitting around a table sagely nodding their approval or disapproval?

    and what do you mean by “dismantlement”?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  65. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    States have come and gone, so what? Are you in search of the eternal abode? I prefer to deal with reality and make the best of it.

    The only thing in need of reformation is your undying love for two equally matched [and equally departed] clowns. Herr Schiklgruber who shot himself in gothic tradition, and that primping pipsqueak who ended hung upside down above a service station on the square.

    Which states are you referring to when blithely asserting “3000 years in their footprint” or something like that? Oh wait, it must be your adopted homeland n’est pas? Sorry but their movements westwards were squelched almost always by the Greeks and Romans. They did go all the way east to India though.

    Well certainly you are free to use all your powers to influence U.S. policy, why don’t you? The state and it machinery are the products of majoritarianism – warts and all. So I don’t see what your imagined obstacles are…..

    I am mostly Austrian plus 25% ME genetically [and U.K. culturally], so not a fan of overpriced Italian kitsch [don’t take it personally], if you must know, my preferred wear are genuine articles made by Grenson Albert and Gieves and Hawkes 🙂

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  66. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    Norway, 1905.

    “Peaceful dismantlement” is the mantra of those Rabbis that most other Jews love to hate. My allusion was simply an indication that it need not be violent. Transition to democracy, thus ending a Jewish supremacist state is, in many minds, an end of Israel.

    You’re not impressed with lawsuits because you’re confident the Courts are fixed. This case isn’t against all foreign aid, just aid to nuclear armed Israel. Since they don’t need it, it’s symbolic, and losing it would be very symbolic. Forcing the US and Israel to comply with the law would be a landmark precedent.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  67. Sam Shama says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    As I said, I ordered your book, but expect to learn little new information in light of the all too platitudinous charges of “colonial racism” etc you toss around. Since I have no wish to be pulled into another quagmire of “discussions” I’ll end it by observing the following:

    The resolution recognised the need for immediate Jewish statehood [and a parallel Arab state], but the blueprint for peace became a moot issue when the Arabs refused to accept it. Subsequently, de facto on the ground in the wake of Arab aggression [and Israel’s survival] became the basis for UN efforts to bring peace. Aware of the Arabs’ past aggressions, Resolution 181, in paragraph C, called on the Security Council to:

    “Determine as a threat to the peace, breach of the peace or act of aggression, in accordance with Article 39 of the Charter, any attempt to alter by force the settlement envisaged by this resolution
    .”

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  68. Karl says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    > having noted that Egypt’s forces had taken up defensive positions in the Sinai

    incorrect.

    “On 23 May 1967, Nasser blockaded the Straits of Tiran from Israeli vessel passage”

    as per: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_the_Six-Day_War

    • Replies: @Jeremy R. Hammond
  69. iffen says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    a democratic government instituted under a constitution respecting minority rights and guaranteeing minority representation

    Nothing like being the first one on the block to have a shiny new gadget.

  70. @Sam Shama

    As I said, I ordered your book, but expect to learn little new information in light of the all too platitudinous charges of “colonial racism” etc you toss around.

    This is highly illogical. It certainly doesn’t follow that since I call a duck a duck, so to speak, that therefore I offer little new knowledge or insight in the book. Phil Giraldi has actually read it and has found the opposite: “Given the intense focus and the passions aroused by the conflict it is rare to find a book or article that says something new but Jeremy Hammond’s Obstacle to Peace: The U.S. Role in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict does just that….”

    The resolution recognised the need for immediate Jewish statehood [and a parallel Arab state], but the blueprint for peace became a moot issue when the Arabs refused to accept it.

    Once again, Resolution 181 was not a “blueprint for peace”, but a blueprint for war. The UN, like the League of Nations before it, in no small part helped to create the conflict between Arabs and Jews in Palestine. Again, the Arabs were certainly right to reject the proposed partition, which, again, was premised on the explicit rejection of their right to self-determination.

    Subsequently, de facto on the ground in the wake of Arab aggression [and Israel’s survival] became the basis for UN efforts to bring peace.

    I don’t know what “efforts to bring peace” you are referring to (again, the UN General Assembly greatly contributed to the conflict by seeking to accommodate the Zionist project by rejecting the rights of the majority population, a direct violation of the Charter under which the Assembly was operating), but this narrative of events assumes legitimacy of the unilateral declaration of the existence of Israel by the Zionist leadership on May 14, 1948. It had none. While the declaration did not define the borders of the territory they were claiming, it did falsely cite Resolution 181 as granting legal authority, thus implying a “Jewish state” within the area of the proposed partition. Yet, as you’ll learn in more detail in the book, at the time the Jewish community owned less than 7% of the land in Palestine. The majority Arab population owned more land in every single district, including Jaffa, which included Tel Aviv.

    The “Jewish state” of Israel was emphatically not established through any legitimate political process, but by violence and the ethnic cleansing of most of the Arab population from their homes. Your characterization of the Arab states as the aggressors is belied by the fact that, by the time they managed to muster a military response after the unilateral and invalid May 14 declaration, a quarter of a million Palestinians had already been ethnically cleansed from areas that became part of Israel.

    The UN, of course, like the British, stood by and watched the ethnic cleansing of Palestine unfold, watched as hundreds of thousands of Arabs became refugees as they fled from their homes for fear of further massacres like that at Deir Yassin or were expelled by Zionist forces, and did nothing to stop it. Some “efforts to bring peace”!

    Seems to me you could learn a great deal indeed by reading Obstacle to Peace; namely, how what you think you know about the origins of the conflict just isn’t so.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  71. @Karl

    Karl, you say my statement that the CIA noted that Egypt’s forces had taken up defensive positions in the Sinai is “incorrect”. The facts are as I’ve stated them. Here’s a relevant excerpt from the book:

    Indeed, on May 23, 1967, Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms presented President Lyndon B. Johnson with the CIA’s assessment that, in the event of war, Israel could “defend successfully against simultaneous Arab attacks on all fronts … or hold on any three fronts while mounting successfully a major offensive on the fourth.” In a document titled “Military Capabilities of Israel and the Arab States”, the CIA assessed that “Israel could almost certainly attain air supremacy over the Sinai Peninsula in less than 24 hours after taking the initiative or in two or three days if the UAR [the United Arab Republic, as Egypt was then known] struck first.” The latter, however, was judged unlikely to occur. The CIA also assessed that the Egyptian military had taken up defensive positions in the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel’s military would have little trouble breaching: “Armored striking forces could breach the UAR’s double defense line in the Sinai in three to four days and drive the Egyptians west of the Suez Canal in seven to nine days. Israel could contain any attacks by Syria or Jordan during this period.” Although the Arabs had numerical superiority in terms of military hardware, “Nonetheless, the IDF maintain qualitative superiority over the Arab armed forces in almost all aspects of combat operations.”

    The Mossad nevertheless relayed an intelligence estimate to Washington claiming that Israel would be outgunned. The CIA’s response was to inform policymakers, “We do not believe that the Israeli appreciation … was a serious estimate of the sort they would submit to their own high officials”; rather, it was “probably a gambit intended to influence the US” to “provide military supplies”, “make more public commitments to Israel”, “approve Israeli military initiatives”, and “put more pressure on Nasser.” President Johnson wasn’t buying it; he told Israeli Foreign Minister Abba Eban, “All of our intelligence people are unanimous that if the UAR attacks, you will whip hell out of them.” But it was clear to the US intelligence community that it would be Israel, not Egypt, who would start the war. Helms sent a message to Johnson on June 2 correctly predicting that Israel would likely launch its planned attack within a matter of days.

    Like I said, Egyptian forces, as observed by the CIA, had taken up defensive positions in the Sinai.

    • Replies: @Karl
  72. Wally says: • Website
    @Joe Martin Jr.

    Quite the irrational lemming you are.

    Jews say those millions went to enormous mass graves which they have not, cannot show us.

    We’re talking about an alleged ‘6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.
    But note that there is not a single verifiable excavated mass grave that can actually be SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, or 250,000 at Sobibor) even though Jews claim they exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    The massive numbers of so called “survivor$” are living testimony to fraudulence of the impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    The ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that denies free speech and the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    • Replies: @Joe Martin Jr.
  73. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    [My allusion was simply an indication that it need not be violent. Transition to democracy, thus ending a Jewish supremacist state is, in many minds, an end of Israel.]

    Its important for a semblance of objectivity regarding the views of one’s fellow commentators to prevail in these threads. It is in that spirit I had hoped, my positions on these matters would be reckoned by you, and others; and it is in that spirit I recognise your sincerity, Robin. I shan’t tire telling that the State of Israel needs new thinking regarding her citizens of Arab ancestry, that they deserve all the rights, privileges, and duties, bestowed on her Jewish ones.

    Nor shall I tire telling that Israel has a vibrant democracy – with all its warts – her Arab citizens [distinct from Palestinians, but hold that thought] enjoy full representation in the Knesset [the Arab List arguably, has more influence than their population proportions would imply] , have full access to education, healthcare, employment and social security. They are exempted from compulsory military service. Now, Palestinians in the WB deserve identical treatment; but those are not the magical ramifications of calling for a dissolution of the State, a state which I daresay has been built and cherished by her Jewish citizenry.

    It is the unenviable side of the debate I assume here at the UR, but it is one that needs a voice. I am aware when I say that the nation has been built by her Jewish citizens, a cloud of witnesses will rise in opposition and precious few in favour.

    “Israel has received $250b cumulatively over the years from USA!”, I shall be reminded. “True”, I should then respond, “and do take away the $3b/year and we will be the better for it”. Yet, were thriving states the creations of foreign largesse alone, we should’ve had a handful in our midst in the middle east, Lady Providence surely a better substitute for the foreign benefactor, and attaches not a string!

    I remain circumspect of the true intentions of some [not you], for all too often their masks had slipped and the tall tales of the “JEW” flowed effortlessly from their lips. Their’s is the concoction brewed from the myths of Egypt and Persia, mixed with a heavy helping of Adolf’s Weltanshauung.

    I reject it.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @alexander
    , @iffen
    , @Art
  74. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    I remain circumspect of the true intentions of some

    Thank goodness! Sometimes the reading some of your comments elicited worry on my part. I was afraid you could be like some of the poor unfortunate conversos during the Spanish Inquisition. The ones who likely said things like, “Greetings my brothers in Christ. Why the excessive stock of firewood? Are we expecting a severe winter?”

    • Replies: @schmenz
  75. Sam Shama says:
    @Jeremy R. Hammond

    [This is highly illogical. It certainly doesn’t follow that since I call a duck a duck, so to speak, that therefore I offer little new knowledge or insight in the book.]

    First, avian species can be confusing owing to fervour, in which case the less we speak of logic in these matters the better off we shall remain. Second, ordering the book was in intention more a token of support and less a signal of any expected revelation: histories of my kin, knowledge of the state’s triumphs, tribulations and failures, I concede to none.

    [tb contd….]

  76. schmenz says:
    @iffen

    “The poor unfortunate conversos” who had lots of fun undermining the Church in Spain, coordinating with Muslim invaders, committing treason against the Spanish government, growing filthy rich over the backs of unsuspecting non-converso Spaniards, and even enjoying a little frat party in LaGuardia with a consecrated Host and a young Spanish child.

    You can read it all in Walsh’s “Isabella of Spain” if you want to.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Wizard of Oz
  77. alexander says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    If you do believe that the state of Israel has a right to exist as a “democracy” (warts and all) with a substantive Jewish majority, one where they can control their own destiny……..How do you view the existence of a Palestinian state, east of the green line ?

    Do the Palestinians not also have the right to a “state” of their own ?

    Don’t Palestinians have a right to build their own ‘democracy’ , warts and all, with a substantive Palestinian majority , where they can control their own destiny ?

    We understand that the collapse of the Peace process has ,for the most part, meant the collapse of the “two state solution”, which ( in reality) is a euphemism for the dissolution of the state of Palestine and the triumph of a Greater Israel over all of Judea and Samaria ?

    Isn’t that what it means ?

    If we are spending any time, here, being honest, isn’t what we are all witnessing is the extermination of the state of Palestine ?

    Isn’t that what is really coming to pass ?

    Lets go further for a moment and lets imagine that Palestine is fully exterminated by Israel ( for it seems no force on earth can restrain the settler enterprise, or remove it, once it is in place).

    How will the world view the extinguishing of Palestine, by Israel ?

    Will the Muslim world, as well as the entire world community ever accept this ?

    Doesn’t the complete dissolution of Palestine portend a permanent state of war, for as far as the eye can see ?

    A state of near “eternal” war ?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  78. iffen says:
    @schmenz

    coordinating with Muslim invaders, committing treason against the Spanish government

    It is my understanding that the documentation for this is lacking. That said, it would not be surprising, in fact, should be expected, considering the many documented instances of collaboration by other minority groups with the Muslim invaders, for example, the Copts in Egypt.

    • Replies: @schmenz
  79. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    They are exempted from compulsory military service.

    Don’t you mean prohibited from?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  80. @Wally

    Listen ash hole. I’ve been to Poland. I’ve seen Auschwitz. I’ve seen the crematoria. And despite your lies yes they have found more than one of the mass burial pits in Poland and western Ukraine. People like you are sad little people who never have and never will accomplish anything with their lives so you rant and rave about foolish conspiracies to try and draw attention to themselves. I know it must be tough going through life with an IQ if only 80 or so.

    So I will leave you with a quote from Alois Brunner, Adolph Eichmann’s personal secretary. He escaped to Syria and in his last published interview before he died he was asked if he had any regrets. His only remark was “We didn’t kill enough Jews.”

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Wally
  81. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I continue to be surprised to read about the “obstacles” to peace in Palestine/Israel. After more than one hundred and thirty years of Jewish conquest – crawling and otherwise – why would anyone think that the Jews came to make peace? They came to take over Palestine and that is exactly what they have been doing now for all these years. The conquest has never ended in all of Palestine west of the Jordan river. Israel is a colonialist settlement of a particularly militaristic and dangerous ilk.

    The Jews came to Palestine as a bridgehead for geo-strategic interests, trade and banking and control of the natural resource of the region, oil. The Suez canal after all, was not built for the purposes of a leisurely boat ride but for the purposes of trade and military links between England and her empire in Asia. The acquisition and promotion of Palestine as a colonial settlement has harmed immeasurably and simultaneously, both its local population and the entire Middle East rendering the body politic of the African Asian congruent territories fractured, fragmented and politically and militarily weak states, and in most cases, ineffective vis-a-vis the Jewish state.
    This has always been the purpose of the presence of the Jewish state in Palestine located at the cultural, historical and geo-political crossroad of the region.

    What kind of a peace does the West have in mind? One thing for sure is the requirement that the 1948 expelled Palestinian population, many of whom still remain refugees, relinquish their natural rights to their homeland. A good beginning that is! And why? Because the West and the Jews want it that way.

    The current western framework of discourse concerning Palestine is incorrect, misleading and the proof is in the pudding – it has led to a dead end and it remains a dead end. For the Palestinians unfortunately this is not a metaphor. The powerbrokers could have done whatever they wanted to ameliorate the situation but of course, have not done so as it is simply not in their interests.

    The issue is not whether the actions taken by the US over the years have been good for the US citizenry, because they are not the main concern of its government. Its government has more important interests to serve, and serve them it does.

    To the best of my understanding the only solution is a dissolution of the Jewish state qua state, the recognition of the right of return to the Palestinians, the payment of reparations to the Palestinians and the possibility of a reunion of this part of the Middle East into Al-Shams one again.

    In the present constellation of power, this is a pipe dream. However, if the US loses its power, then the situation on the ground here will most definitely become other than what it is today.

  82. schmenz says:
    @iffen

    Thanks for the reply.

    Actually, all the documentation for it is found in that amazing book I mentioned. When author Walsh was in Spain doing research he found a number volumes of books containing vital information that had never been read since the time of Isabella. He had to take his pen knife and carefully slit open the folded pages.

    Extraordinary book. I highly recommend it.

    • Replies: @iffen
  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Martin Jr.

    > > Listen ash hole. I’ve been to Disney world. I’ve seen a princess’s castle . I’ve sat in a teacup that twirls around, fast. < <

    A twirling teacup and a princess's castle are reflections of a concrete historic reality just as much as Auschwich and crematoria are; all of them are constructed artifacts based on a fantastical narrative spun of a febrile if not demented imagination.

  84. @Mark Green

    America–and the world–has a huge problem on its hands. Jewish power is on the rise. And it is unyielding.

    If the goyim would wake up and get a clue about how unyielding it is and what the attitudes towards them are, they’d probably perish from shock. I’d say it’s relentless to the point of psychotic obsession. It certainly is a phenomenon to behold.

    Sometimes I think the only hope for us untermenschen is their constant hatred for one another, but then I wake up.

    The inimitable and very worthwhile Uri Avnery does a fine job of describing the loathing in this short article.:

    http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1469209537

  85. @Anonymous

    Now those are comments with substance!

    While I have held this view for some time, I have never before seen or heard it expressed.:

    The Jews came to Palestine as a bridgehead for geo-strategic interests, trade and banking and control of the natural resource of the region, oil.

    Plus it’s undoubtedly a haven for the international mafia, which, unfortunately for religious Jews, seems to have misappropriated the label so’s to play the victim card.

    There must be a reason that some things are never mentioned! 😉

    • Replies: @dissident israeli
  86. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Nor shall I tire telling that Israel has a vibrant democracy.

    Why is there no Labor party in Israel – the one party that at least made noises about peace? Politics in Israel are controlled by Zionists and that means no peace. The tie to your vibrant Jewish democracy is hate for its non-Jew citizens and neighbors. That Jewish character weakness, extends also to each other. (Israel will implode one day.)

    Israel politics is just like American politics – no matter who you vote for – the outcome is the same. More power for the Big Jews.

    “Israel has received $250b cumulatively over the years from USA!”, I shall be reminded. “True”, I should then respond, “and do take away the $3b/year and we will be the better for it”.

    So you are saying that Israel does not need AIPAC and the ADL – that is total BS. Without the backing of the US government, Israel would be under total sanctions by the UN. No one would trade with it.

    Sorry Sam, but your comment is feel good poppycock sunshine BS – yada yada yada.

    Art

  87. iffen says:
    @schmenz

    Extraordinary book. I highly recommend it.

    I have bought it for my e-reader.

    I have to finish the book that I am reading now and SPQR is definitely next in line. After that I will give consideration to Isabella.

  88. @Anonymous

    You might consider a good psychiatrist.

  89. “Israel refused to recognize an Israeli nationality at the country’s establishment in 1948, making an unusual distinction between “citizenship” and “nationality.” Although all Israelis qualify as “citizens of Israel,” the state is defined as belonging to the “Jewish nation,” meaning not only the 5.6 million Israeli Jews but also more than seven million Jews in the diaspora.

    Critics say the special status of Jewish nationality has been a way to undermine the citizenship rights of non-Jews in Israel, especially the fifth of the population who are Arab. Some 30 laws in Israel specifically privilege Jews, including in the areas of immigration rights, naturalization, access to land and employment.

    Arab leaders have also long complained that indications of “Arab” nationality on ID cards make it easy for police and government officials to target Arab citizens for harsher treatment.”

    https://electronicintifada.net/content/lawsuit-challenges-israels-discriminatory-citizenship-definition/8767

  90. Sam Shama says:
    @alexander

    How do you view the existence of a Palestinian state, east of the green line ?

    The 2SS is realistically dead. I would say that were it to be considered seriously, land swaps and a fund with ample resources are critically indicated. However I think the Pals would make a hash of it. Its a tall order.

    Lets go further for a moment and lets imagine that Palestine is fully exterminated by Israel ( for it seems no force on earth can restrain the settler enterprise, or remove it, once it is in place).

    How will the world view the extinguishing of Palestine, by Israel ?

    Alexander, I cringe at words like ‘extermination’. I suppose worldview, save those held tenaciously by a small group of determined souls is rather fickle. As I have always stated, Jewish populations had prospered and arguably enjoyed its golden years under Muslim rule, though I hardly think the poisoned environment today, would allow a large muslim majority to cohabit with Jews in a common nation-state, thus my opposition to a RoR.

    Doesn’t the complete dissolution of Palestine portend a permanent state of war, for as far as the eye can see ?

    A state of near “eternal” war ?

    Not necessarily.

    • Replies: @alexander
    , @Art
  91. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Minorities are exempted, but volunteers [there are considerable numbers and all muslim soldiers can take their oaths using the Koran] are accepted; indeed there are minority units for Bedouim, while Druzim and Christians serve alongside Jewish soldiers in many groups.

  92. imbroglio says:

    Let’s assume the worst of Israel as Girardi always does. IAIF: It’s all…

    Are the two states to be geographic entities? If so, what land mass shall each entity occupy? Perhaps the U.N. or some international consensus will delineate these geographical entities based on… UN Resolution 242? The pre-1967 borders? Something else? And what are the proper boundaries of Palestine within which Israel will form a part and a Palestinian state will form the remainder? The Balfour map? The Sykes/Picot map? Biblical Palestine?

    Or are the two states to occupy the same land mass with Israelis being citizens of Israel and Palestinians being citizens of Palestine, two nations under one geographical roof, a Middle Eastern, pre-Pakistani Punjab?

    Both arrangements could theoretically work.

    What goes unsaid in these polemics posing as analyses is the belief shared by many, including some number of Palestinians, that Israel is an abscess on the body of Dar el Islam whose existence cannot be tolerated under any circumstances. The Palestinians may be the darlings of the anti-Israel crowd, but they’re not the darlings of their Arab and Persian neighbors. They’re caught in the crossfire of competing hegemons neither of which is the U.S./Israel and would continue to be caught in the crossfire if Israel were gone up in smoke. A Palestinian Palestine, with or without Israel for a neighbor and with America far away and no longer involved, may likely be a failed state from the get go, dependent, for its survival, on those who may not have its well-being at heart.

    And what about amnesty for the Israeli settlers who may find themselves incorporated into a Palestinian state geographically defined? Make it to the U.S., establish residence here for some time, start a family, learn English, become a Tejano or Calijano and you’ve become an American “on the ground.” Fine. Let’s see if there’ll be the same welcome for Palestinian Jews.