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All indications are that the Pentagon will be able to maneuver more effectively in Washington than on the battlefield.

Given the present atmosphere in Washington in which there is no lie so outrageous as to keep it out of the mainstream media, a great deal of policy making takes place without even key players in the government knowing what is going on behind their backs. Of course, there is a long tradition of government lying in general but most politicians and officials have probably convinced themselves that they are avoiding the truth because complicating issues might lead to endless debate where nothing ever gets done. There may be some truth to that, but it is a self-serving notion at best.

The real damage comes when governments lie in order to start or continue a war. The Administration of George W. Bush did just that when it lied about Iraq’s secular leader Saddam Hussein seeking nuclear weapons, supporting terrorists and developing delivery systems that would enable Iraq to attack the U.S. with the nukes. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice knew she was not telling the truth when she warned that “the problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly he can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.” She also was a key player in the Bush team approval of the CIA’s use of torture on captured al-Qaeda.

Rice is, by the way, not in jail and is currently a highly esteemed elder statesman serving as Director of the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Likewise for her friend and patron Madeleine Albright who famously declared that the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children due to U.S. imposed sanctions were worth it. In the United States the only ones who are ever punished are those who expose the crimes being committed by the government, to include a number of whistleblowers and journalists like Julian Assange.

The active American military role in lying probably started at Valley Forge but it came into prominence with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which was an alleged attack by the North Vietnamese on U.S. Navy ships that led to an escalation in Washington’s direct role in what was to become the Vietnam War, which produced 58,000 American dead as well as an estimated three million Vietnamese. No one was punished for faking the casus belli and today Vietnam is a communist state in spite of the martial valor of the U.S. Army. Overall commander of US forces in Vietnam General William Westmoreland, who died in 2005, repeatedly advised the media and the White House that the American military was “winning” and there would be victory in six more months. General Westmoreland knew he was lying, as the Pentagon Papers subsequently revealed, and he also proved reluctant to share his plans with the White House. He even developed a contingency plan to use nuclear weapons in Vietnam without informing the president and Secretary of Defense.

Prize winning investigative reporter Gareth Porter has written an article “Trump Administration Insider Reveals How US Military Sabotaged Peace Agreement to Prolong Afghan War” that describes how the brass in the Pentagon currently are able to manipulate the bureaucracy in such a way as to circumvent policy coming out of the country’s civilian leadership. The article is based in part on an interview with retired Colonel Douglas Macgregor, a decorated combat arms officer who served as an acting senior adviser to the Secretary of Defense during the last months of Donald Trump’s time in office. He would have likely been confirmed in his position if Trump had won reelection.

Porter describes the negotiations between the Taliban and Trump’s Special Envoy Zalmay Khalilzad, which began in late 2018 and culminated in a peace agreement that was more-or-less agreed to by both sides in February 2019. The Pentagon, fearing that the war would be ending, quickly moved to sabotage a series of confidence building measures that included disengagement and cease fires. In short, US commanders supported by the Pentagon leadership under Secretary of Defense Mike Esper as well as Secretary of State Mike Pompeo continued to attack Taliban positions in spite of the agreements worked out by the diplomats, blaming all incidents on the Taliban. They also used their “perception management” media contacts to float fabricated stories about Taliban activity, which included the false account of Russians paying Taliban fighters bounties for every American they could kill.

After the 2020 election, which Donald Trump appeared to have lost, Esper, Central Command chief General Kenneth McKenzie and the senior field commander General Scott Miller took the offensive against any withdrawal by sending a memo to the president warning that no troops should be removed from the country until “certain conditions” had been met. An enraged Trump, who believed that the disengagement from Afghanistan was the right thing to do, then used his authority to order a withdrawal of all US troops by the end of the year. He also fired Esper, replacing him with Christopher Miller as SecDef and brought in Macgregor, who had openly expressed his belief that the war in Afghanistan should be ended immediately as well as the wars in the Middle East.

Macgregor and Miller reasoned that the only way to remove the remaining troops from Afghanistan by year’s end would be to do so by presidential order. Macgregor prepared the document and President Trump signed it immediately. On the next day November 12th, however, Colonel Macgregor learned that Trump had subsequently met with Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley, national security adviser Robert O’Brien and Acting Secretary Miller. Trump and Miller were told by Milley and O’Brien that the orders he placed in the memorandum could not be executed because a withdrawal would lead to a surge in violence and would damage chances for an eventual peace settlement. Trump was also told that an ongoing US presence in Afghanistan had “bipartisan support,” possibly a warning that he might be overruled by Congress if he sought to proceed. Trump later agreed to withdraw only half of the total, 2,500 troops, a number that has continued to remain in place under President Joe Biden. A current agreement has the US withdrawing those last soldiers, together with allied NATO troops, by May 1st but it is under attack from Congress, think tanks, the mainstream media and the military leadership for the same reasons that have been cited for staying in Afghanistan over the past twenty years and predictably Biden has folded. Last week he announced that some American soldiers will remain in country to maintain stability after the deadline.

The story of Trump and Afghanistan is similar to what took place with Syria, where plans to withdraw were regularly reversed due to adroit maneuvering by the Pentagon and its allies. It remains to be seen what Joe Biden will do ultimately as he is being confronted by the same forces that compelled Trump to beat a retreat. The more serious issue is, of course, that the United States of America portrays itself as a nation that engages only in “just wars” and which has a military that is under control and responsive to an elected and accountable civilian government. As Afghanistan and Syria demonstrate, those conceits have been unsustainable since the US went on a global dominance spree when it launched its War on Terror in 2001. All indications are that the Pentagon will be able to maneuver more effectively in Washington than on the battlefield. It will continue to have its pointless wars, and its bloated “defense” budgets.

Philip Giraldi, Ph.D. is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Patriot says:

    The safety of Israel is simply too important to allow peace. No matter how many Muslims and Americans must die, the Jewish people must be protected.

    • Agree: InnerCynic
  2. anonymous[470] • Disclaimer says:

    If the US does not stay in Afghanistan, then the Taliban will re-take the country. This leads to two problems.

    1. Military defeat is humiliating for all Americans. (~50% of the reason for staying)
    2. Al-Qaeda fought with the Taliban and could regain a foothold in Afghanistan to plan terrorist attacks against Americans worldwide. The Islamic State is also present in Afghanistan and could cozy up with the Taliban. (~50%)

    There is also the very minor interest in keeping the limited gains made for women’s rights intact. Girls can now go to school in Afghanistan. If the Taliban re-take the country, girls will be sent back home and mistreated. However, minor this consideration at least it is still 1-2%.

  3. anon[208] • Disclaimer says:

    Uh, I went and read that Porter article and now I’m all confused.

    “The military’s plan to sabotage the agreement hinged on creating the false impression that the Taliban had reneged on its commitments. This ruse was advanced mostly publicly by Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defense Secretary Esper.”

    Advanced by Secretary Esper – You’re FIRED. Advanced by former DCI Pompeo, then billeted in CIA’s paraparamilitary ratfuck branch in Foggy Bottom, where the diplomats used to work – You’re, er, um, ah, not fired, keep up the good work, mumble, mumble.

    Like, I know the troops’ favorite thing in the world is to shit their pants and get their nuts blown off, but those sojers, don’t they have to, like, obey orders and stuff? They didn’t listen to the president. They did listen to the former DCI. How come? Oh, and another question that just occurred to me, before I forget, When Porter asked the CIA guys who give out the heroin concessions, What did they think we should do?

    https://www.drugsandalcohol.ie/3695/ McCoy.

    What we have here is CIA omerta in action. Transnational Organized Crime has a characteristic habitus shaped by its objectives and constraints. Interestingly, AFIO was founded to shore up CIA omerta against functionaries denouncing clandestine state crime. What the mob calls rats.

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/1468-229X.12099

  4. xyzxy says:
    @anonymous

    Are you serious? Twenty years of war with no progress just so Americans won’t be ‘humiliated’, and in order for some Moslem girls to go to school? God, the Empire can’t end too soon. Idiocy has taken over reason.

    • Agree: moi
  5. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    The real damage comes when governments lie in order to start or continue a war.

    US leaders have lied bout every single war they’ve taken the American people into from the Maine in the Spanish-American war through the Gulf of Tonkin for the Vietnam war on up to the present. It’s all been lies, every single one, brought to us by the power grasping type of people drawn to being in positions of power. Brzezinski bragged about suckering the Russians into Afghanistan and the US proceeded to fund and arm resistance groups in that unfortunate country, thwarting any normal development or progress for over forty years there as one conflict takes over from another. It’s hard to say what is so valuable about Afghanistan except that it’s a source of income for the MIC and that it borders Iran. Millions of Afghans have become refugees over the years, hundreds of thousands have been killed and disabled thanks to the machinations of the US, not that anyone cares. Who is really in charge of this policy?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  6. @xyzxy

    Ironic that the Mujaheddin were unleashed, some 40 years ago, on the democratically elected commies, who had Moslem girls going to school, and their women wearing Western style clothing.

  7. @anonymous

    Ah-men on every count.

    – It may be preferrable to have rabid dykes (oops; I meant “womens´rights activists”)
    shot at halfway around the world rather than act out at home; much the same for the
    otherwise-unemployable.
    – It may also be desirable to soak the melanin-enhanced community in drugs to keep them from breathing and make a nice profit on the side.
    – Profits for the MIC are more important than most realize; Adolf Kozlick
    (“Der Vergeudungskapitalismus”) has shown that US GDP addiction to military spending goes back to 1810.
    – Still I doubt that by “civilian oversight” the (heteropatriarchal) Founders meant
    reducing everything above colonel to pathetic spin doctors breathlessly grasping
    for woke, innovative euphemisms.

    Who is really in charge of this policy?

    – In the beginning the (north-south) Unocal pipeline sounded, for a moment, plausible
    (if hardly defensible); Karzai was tainted by being Unocal and his corrupt monarchist family but at least he was Pashtu and had Hausmacht
    (and he even looked like a shithouse fly). The invasion and fucking over both the Taliban and Hekmatyar ended that possibility.
    Since then there is no strategic objective except location, location, location.
    Situated between and bordering both Iran and China it is the omphalos of the Silk Road –
    vacating it would mean an east-west pipeline safe from the US Navy and, yes,
    Koh-e-Baba – the largest iron ore deposit in Asia – would reduce Australia to
    Pacific island status.
    Indeed it is hard to see why Russia and/or China have not (yet) simply turned Afghanistan around – a few plausibly deniable MANPADS cost nothing; as soon as the Germans are gone from Kunduz …

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  8. anonymous[172] • Disclaimer says:
    @xyzxy

    There is complete and humiliating military defeat for the US when the Taliban re-take Afghanistan. It hasn’t happened after 20 years of fighting. And it won’t happen as long as 20,000 NATO soldiers and air support are stationed in the country. Women’s rights doesn’t mean much in this context but I think we can at least assign a miniscule value of 1-2%.

    • Replies: @barr
    , @Piglet
  9. Well, let’s see …

    Iraq still serves as a forward base on Iran’s western front, while Afghanistan has proven quite useful for Israel as a northeastern conduit into Iran:

    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/reports-israel-spying-on-iran-from-afghanistan-580328

    Russia’s Sputnik News stated that the Israelis were operating “under the flags of the United States and the United Arab Emirates.” Sputnik quoted an expert on Israel as saying that the Israeli troops were operating under the framework of American forces stationed there and that the activity was carried out with the knowledge and approval of the Afghan government.

    “Of course the proximity to an enemy state is the principle reason for carrying out such an operation and also provides legitimacy,” Semyon Tsipis was quoted by the Sputnik’s Urdu language site. “But beyond that, another objective of the mission is to acquire experience in combat in the local ground conditions and activity against the local population.”

    America needs to maintain that foothold in service to its master. Sure, there’s also the “peace pipeline,” that high-grade opium, Afghanistan’s strategic proximity to China and Russia, and so on and so forth. The Taliban has explicitly agreed “to prevent the use of Afghan soil by any international terrorist groups or individuals against the security of the United States and its allies,” and if the U.S. really cared about human rights, it would’ve ended its support of Israel yesterday, so the feminist rationale for staying doesn’t really factor into America’s Israel’s realpolitik other than as a smokescreen.

    • Thanks: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Malla
  10. Anonymous[527] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonStarter

    Spot on.

    The public doesn’t care about Afghanistan, so Biden will just make a few pacifist noises and kick that can down the road.

    And Israel will keep israeling.

    Not much to see, isn’t it?

    • Agree: AnonStarter, moi
  11. barr says:
    @anonymous

    Colin Powell ‘s onetime deputy told that the soldiers would had to be stationed to use ISIS against China. ISIS was covered in moderate flags as it escaped from his lips.

  12. @Curmudgeon

    Superb point and exactly true. The real reasons for the lawless occupation of Afghanistan by the legions of the Rotten Banana Empire have much more to do with keeping up the cheap opium supply for important moral paragons like the (((Sacklers))) along with the estimated 4 trillion in mineral wealth located beneath the surface of the place – traditionally known as “The Graveyard of Empires”.

    • Agree: Gidoutahere
  13. anon[463] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    If the US does not stay in Afghanistan, then the Taliban will re-take the country.

    How many more generations of American Deplorable men will you require? Seriously, there are enlisted Army patrolling the same valleys and trails that their fathers worked. A “war” that cannot be won in almost twenty years is not doing any good. It’s occupation now, and all the 3-cups-of-tea you can serve up won’t change any hearts or minds.

    This is exactly the kind of finger-trap that some warned against 20 years ago. The solution was obvious even then: expeditionary warfare, aka “Rubble doesn’t make trouble”.

    Are you also eager and even excited for the US to attack and invade Iran? Just asking.

  14. MEH 0910 says:

    OUTRAGEOUS! Defense Contractors Will Sue Pentagon If Wars End

    • LOL: nokangaroos
  15. … it came into prominence with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which was an alleged attack by the North Vietnamese on U.S. Navy ships that led to an escalation in Washington’s direct role in what was to become the Vietnam War…

    Few people know that the US Navy was supporting commando attacks (aka terrorism) operations against the Vietnamese with American trained mercenaries using US navy supplied PT boats. US Navy destroyers provided signal intelligence and radar support for these attacks while often operating within Vietnam’s territorial waters.

    The goal was to provoke an attack! If it wasn’t the Tonkin incident some other excuse would be used to justify the entry of American combat troops and bombing in Vietnam. America’s newly created puppet government in southern Vietnam had failed to attract support for a new American colony so US troops were needed.

  16. The U.S. can’t leave Afghanistan yet because Mr. 10%, the man inserted into the White House by Jews to sign exec. orders and play President, hasn’t negotiated a deal with the warlords in the Shan state of north Burma. Once the cuts are agreed upon then, and only then, will Pedo Joe drop by Kabul for a little bazi bachi and the bad news. After some refreshing child [email protected], Pedo Joe Bidet will fly back to Langley, Va to tell the CIA it’s all good.
    The heroin trade will continue, CIA gets its piece, Afghanistan joins the BRI and Burma gets jewed, I mean ‘democracied’.
    America will still be headed for the iceberg but Old Joe and CIA couldn’t give a crap.

    • Agree: moi, RedpilledAF
    • Thanks: GMC
    • Replies: @no jack london
  17. I think this middle east crap is Zionist controlled. The US Military Industrial Complex has to eat. Israel needs safety. But also, I really think it is a PEAK OIL issue as well. Little has been made of our declining oil. The Shale Oil boom is dwindling. Fracking can only work so long. We were an exporter only due to new technology. I really believe oil is a finite resource and we are indeed running out. I think we will see huge wars in the next twenty years. China and India need oil. America needs oil. Massive change is on the horizon.

    • Agree: Tsar Nicholas
    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  18. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:

    Nixon faced same problems with Mel Laird over Cambodia and USAF and could not enforce policy decisions against MIC

    USA is like Wilhelmine Germany with a military out of control sucking the economy dry and forcing policy and planning strategic wars of aggression to deter hypothetical potential threats

    USA is on Path to Perdition and Destruction

  19. The genocide of Moslems goes on because the Zionazis, who control America, as child-killer Sharon boasted, demand it. Killing civilians is a mitzvah for the Talmudists, and cheaper if you get Sabbat Goy stooges to do it. And then there is the use of Afghanistan as a new base for the US/Saudi/Israeli created Daesh to attack China, Pakistan, Central Asia and Russia and disrupt the New Silk Road.And billions in steady income for the MICC bloddsuckers. Just another monstrous barbarity by the greatest force for Evil in the world.

    • Agree: Badger Down, moi, RedpilledAF
    • Replies: @ben sampson
  20. Ghali says:

    As I wrote, the U.S. is a criminal (Mafia) syndicate masquerading as a country. The Syndicate (headed by Grandpa) is not only supported by Giant Media – including “Social Media” – Corporations, but also by the entertainment industries (the so-called “arts”), including the Anglo music industry (Tylor Swift, Gaga, Beyoncé, et al.) and the films industry (Hollywood) and its celebrity actors and entertainers.

    It is a Global Fascism led by the US, Israel and NATO members. It has complete monopoly on violence, including terrorism, repression and propaganda. The only way to survive this repressive system of rule is be part of it or remain silent and put your head down. Its main victims are the millions of defenceless dark-skinned people who live in faraway nations struggling to survive Fascism aggression and economic terrorism.

    • Agree: antibeast, Robjil
  21. Franz says:
    @anonymous

    If the US does not stay in Afghanistan, then the Taliban will re-take the country

    Let ’em.

    In 2000, for the first time in many years, the Taliban torched the poppy fields and the supply of heroin fell. The military, contractors and agents we sent in since aren’t up to the job the Taliban did. So let them go back to taking care of their country.

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  22. antibeast says:
    @MEH 0910

    There are 18,000 private contractors which is seven times larger than the number of US military personnel in Afghanistan, all paid for by the US government. Of those, one-third or 6,000 are US citizens which is more than twice the 2,500 US troops still remaining there after Trump ordered their withdrawal. Those private contractors are paid big bucks to work there, at USD 10K-20K per month, which totals $120K-240K per annum, compared to Afghanistan’s GDP per capita of USD 565 in 2020. Back in 2003, Afghanistan’s GDP per capita was just USD 190 with a GDP of USD 4.5B. The US government has spent some USD 900B on the 18-year war in Afghanistan which is 200 times its GDP back in 2003. The big winners are the US Deep State sinecures as well as their US MIC backers.

    https://www.stripes.com/news/middle-east/troop-levels-are-down-but-us-says-over-18-000-contractors-remain-in-afghanistan-1.659040

  23. @Patriot

    The safety of Israel is simply too important to allow peace.

    I agree but I can’t see any obvious Israeli security issue here. I would say the safety of the poppy fields must be guaranteed against those awful Taliban drug warriors.

    • Replies: @Spender_CGB
    , @AnonStarter
  24. BigTony says:
    @anonymous

    We can’t give up on the progress made on women’s rights. Prior to the USA invasion the Taliban used rusty blades to circumsize girls. Now they use clean knives.

  25. @Mike Fridelle

    Cope. Reliance on oil has declined for decades and the USA has vast reserves of it + natural gas + coal. There will be no major war this century, despite the wishes of bored and politically defeated right wingers everywhere. Large numbers of troops on sea and land will never do battle ever again, that’s for damned sure. Those days are over.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  26. Dumbo says:
    @anonymous

    There is no “Al-Qaeda”. There is no “Isis”. They are CIA creations or some such.

    I fail to see how bombing marriage parties helps secure “women’s gains”. Also maybe “women’s gains” is not so great seeing what they lead to in the modern West. let them do as they please in their own backwards country.

    Neither Iraq, nor Libya, nor Afghanistan, nor Syria, none of those stupid wars should have happened.

  27. Malla says:

    The active American military role in lying probably started at Valley Forge but it came into prominence with the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, which was an alleged attack by the North Vietnamese on U.S. Navy ships that led to an escalation in Washington’s direct role in what was to become the Vietnam War,

    Mr. Giraldi, this started way back with the false Flag in USS Maine incident in Havana, Cuba to get the United States into a war with the Spanish Empire. Followed by the Lusitania false flag incident, to get the United States into war with the German Empire, Austro Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. This was to fulfill one side of the Balfour deal in between the Zionists (Lord Rothschild) and Lord Balfour in which the Jews would get the USA into the war in Britain & Frances side (as Russia had capitulated to the German sent Lenin) and in return the British Empire gives the Zionists Palestine irrespective of the desires of the Palestinian native people.
    After Adolf Hitler came to power in Germany as well as FDR in the USA, the US Navy started illegally attacking Third Reich German Uboats even before war was declared. Americans were just as reluctant to enter the war as they were in WW1. Berlin knew about the Lusitania sleight of hand played on them the last time, so commanded their Uboats to retreat and not fight back American attacks. Realizing they could not provoke Germany the second time for Lusitania 2.0, FDR tuned his attention to the Japanese Empire putting unfair sanctions on them and luring them to Pearl Harbour. In deed just before 9/11, some Jewish Neocon dude said that the USA needed a new “Pearl Harbour” so that the USA could be used in the Middle East. that new Pearl Harbour was 9/11. FDR’s regime was full of Soviet agents and maybe even the Japanese Government was infiltrated by Richard Sorge Soviet spy network!!


    James Perloff : The Lusitania – False Flag at Sea?


    Goverment lies and propaganda: America’s False Flags Maine, Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, Gulf of Tonki

    • Replies: @Observator
  28. Malla says:
    @AnonStarter

    There are more reasons to be in Afghanistan. Israel (along with India) wants Pakistan denuclearised. They Zionists may screech and scream about Iran, but they cannot forget an Islamic country like Pakistan with Nukes and long range missiles that could reach Israel.
    Also according to Islamic eschatology, Iman Mahdi who is supposed to raise an army and fight along side with Jesus Christ (Hazrat Isa) against the Jewish Moshiach (dajjal/anti-christ) may emerge from the Afghan-Pakistan border. ((They)) take this stuff as serious possibilities.

  29. Ross23 says:
    @anonymous

    Is this a release by the state dept?

    As far as I was aware they control these groups via their friends in KSA.

    Doesn’t everyone know that by now?

  30. Giraldi’s use of shorthand is (just about) understandable, but when saying “Afghanistan and Syria”, he should stick to spelling it out: the US wars in Afghanistan and Syria.

  31. Rogue says:
    @Patriot

    OK, can you please tell me how what goes on militarily in Afghanistan has anything to do with Israel?

    Or how the continued Western military involvement there (which is absurd in my opinion) has any benefit for Israel?

    This is a genuine question.

    • Replies: @moi
    , @Z-man
    , @Max Payne
    , @Patriot
  32. @anonymous

    In the early 1970s, many girls went to school and an increasing number of women were in paid employment. Then the USA interfered. The USers didn’t like the Afghan government. Just as they have done in so many other Asian countries, the USers “regime-changed” Afghanistan. And just as US interference led to genocide in Cambodia, so US interference led to “war lords” vs Taliban in Afghanistan. You do realise the Soviet troops were invited in? Your poor mistreated Afghan girls are victims of the US.

  33. Renoman says:

    Even shitty real estate is worth a lot of money these days especially with all those opium poppies growing there. The Government are making a fortune on the back of the tax payers as usual.

  34. gotmituns says:
    @anonymous

    Girls can now go to school in Afghanistan
    ————————————————
    Education is bad for girls/women. It get’s them all upset and angry because no matter how educated they are, they’re still not as smart as their son’s at 18-19 years of age.

  35. Gordian knot time again. Take a look at a broad map of the region. All this talk of the Pentagon, heroin, pipelines or women’s rights (ha!) may be bonuses but ask any real estate shyster why the US/NATO are there and he will give you the correct answer in three words. “location, location, location.”

    Don’t need no stinkin’ high falutin’ analysis any more. Its been done. In five years it will technically be a generational occupation. My how time flies when you play on a Polak’s (RIP) Grand Chessboard.

    Cheers-

  36. Who cares?

    Honestly these liberal platitudes about ”never ending war” are very milquetoast. War is not bad by definition. Its how civilizations form and expand. The reason the Afghanistan war is bad because its serving the interests of Jewry rather than the true people of America.

    The Afghan war would be a good thing if there was a nationalist wasp elite that invaded Afghanistan to harvest minerals, and keep adversary nations like Iran and China in striking distance.

    Mind you, war is extremely cheap in terms of blood. The 20 year Afghanistan war has cost the US a mere 2420 soldiers. Gone are the days of yore when a single battle like Bautzen would claim would 20,000 lives or the great battles of the world war would casualties for each battle would be in the hundreds of thousands.

    War is not categorically bad. Its bad only when its not serving your purpose. In Afghanistan, the war serves the purpose of Jewish corporations and their butt-goyim in the military industrial complex

  37. Anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:

    • Replies: @barr
  38. Piglet says:
    @anonymous

    If it means so much to you, then you should use your own money and go over there yourself instead if casually sending others to do it for you at no meaningful cost to yourself.

  39. @Tsar Nicholas

    I agree but I can’t see any obvious Israeli security issue here.

    Afghanistan has a border with Iran. Interestingly this border was drawn by a committee headed by Sir Frederic Goldsmid, who was a great grandson of David Franks. The aide-de-camp to Benedict Arnold.

    As Israel wishes the destruction of Iran (by America) this will be a convenient access point for miltary operations. Iran also borders Iraq, which is also occupied by America

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  40. moi says:
    @Rogue

    It is in Israeli interests to keep the US engaged in Muslim middle-eastern countries because any disengagement from there would not benefit Israeli. It is the Jewish/Zio-controlled media and Hollywood that has cast Muslims/Islam as the enemy.

    • Replies: @Anon
  41. Z-man says:
    @Rogue

    Whell, our involvement as Afghani War Lord #1 make the pro Izruel crowd in The Beltway swell with pride and say, ‘I told you so, those Muslims can’t be trusted’ then of course they’ll add ‘all those terrrrrorrrists in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran must be defeated.’ Ipso facto, that is it.

  42. Asked what the current mission, objectives and what would constitute victory there the General offered a quizzical look as he said…”Win?…’winning’ is for losers”!

  43. Z-man says:

    But yes, Afghanistan is a tough nut to crack. The people are a a mix of Indo Aryan Asiatic stock, hell a lot of them can pass for Italians (grin). If Washington wasn’t ruled by NeoCohens, what’s left of the Anglo/Christian elite and the Russians could come to a good compromise on Afghanistan, but with the Jews in power it wont happen.

  44. onebornfree says: • Website

    “The real damage comes when governments lie”

    Some reality therapy for ya:

    “If you look at everything, nothing is natural.  Everything is contrived. We are lied to about pretty much everything 24/7. They lied about everything regarding Covid. They have lied about the election. They are lying about the unemployment rate. They are lying about inflation. They are lying about the true amount of total debt outstanding. They are lying about everything.” Bill Holter

    I believe that it is of great benefit to an individuals mental health to always automatically assume that whatever it is they are being told at any point in time by the government [usually via the corporate media], is an outright lie, or, at the very least an accidental,[ or deliberate ] misrepresentation.

    “My first rule- I don’t believe anything the government tells me- nothing!- ZERO!” George Carlin:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  45. @Malla

    Don’t forget the Mexican War of 1846 – 48 began with a whopper too. President Polk ordered US troops onto internationally recognized Mexican territory, and when Mexican forces drove them out, he claimed Mexico had invaded the United States. He then asked for and got the declaration of war he wanted, to launch an aggressive war of conquest that took nearly a third of Mexico’s entire land area, as he had promised powerful southern commercial interests.

    A freshman Illinois congressman named Lincoln presented the “spot resolution” in the House, calling on Polk to show exactly where the spot was that US forces had allegedly been attacked. His antiwar stance was so unpopular with his constituents that he was advised not to seek a second term, however. Another young congressman named Wilmot introduced a resolution to ban slavery in the vast new territory; the slaveholder lobby’s enraged reaction clearly showed what the war had been about right from the start.

    As George Carlin observed, we are a warlike people. Our national hobby has long been grabbing stuff that doesn’t belong to us.

    • Thanks: Malla
    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Alden
    , @Malla
  46. Fred777 says:

    “Congress, think tanks, the mainstream media and the military leadership“

    Of course no one in any of those groups is walking patrol in the Afghan mountains.

    • Replies: @acar burak
  47. Realist says:

    It remains to be seen what Joe Biden will do ultimately as he is being confronted by the same forces that compelled Trump to beat a retreat.

    What Biden will do is piss his pants…he is brain-dead for Christ’s sake. Do you really expect people to take this sentence seriously? Both Biden and Trump are minions for the Deep State scam/sham.

    The important question is what is the solution?

  48. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    the point that sticks out is why aren’t the Chinese and Russians in Afghanistan making life truly difficult for the american invasion?

    are there no factions in Afghanistan either can support? and if not cant they create several for that job?

    that war has gone on for 20 years and I do not recall a single Russian or Chinese intervention. if they really wanted to help america die then making their interventions most expensive seems to be the way

  49. War Is The Health Of The State

  50. Max Payne says:
    @Rogue

    Looking at a map would help.

  51. denk says:

    Why the eternal wars, why still in Afghan….

    A

    Every five years or so, the United States needs to pick up some crappy country and throw it against the wall, just to show the world we mean business.

    B

    What’s the use of having this superb military you’re always talking about if we can’t use it

    C

    Cultivate and smuggle opium into China, the third opium war

    .
    D

    Ask Col Wilkerson

    E

    All of the above.

  52. nsa says:

    “Afghanistan has a border with Iran………”
    And a 46 mile border with China, allowing western support for the muzzie insurrection in Xianjiang and bookending westward Chinese economic expansion. This is what containment is all about……hostile muzzies to the west, hostile hindu India / Vietnam to the south, satraps Japan / Taiwan / South Korea / Phillipines to the east, and Manchuria / Siberia to the north. Basic Mackinder 101……..

  53. @anonymous

    I’m an American who could care less if the Taliban retakes Afghanistan. Given they destroyed the poppy production and ended male/boy gay sex, are they really that bad? I suspect the CIA wasn’t happy about either development, especially the one crimping their drug trade.

    Al Qaeda is our creation and still our tool. We’re using them in Syria. Doesn’t it make a bit more sense Al Qaeda didn’t go rogue on 9/11, and not bite the hand that is feeding them?

  54. Realist says:
    @ben sampson

    the point that sticks out is why aren’t the Chinese and Russians in Afghanistan making life truly difficult for the american invasion?

    The Americans are doing just fine by themselves. Why would Russia or China waste their money?

  55. Blodgie says:

    If dipshits want to keep joining the army to fight for abstractions like freedom, duty, honor, sacrifice then let the fools.

    But I have zero sympathy and no tears available when they go out of their way to look for trouble, find it and then expect me to care.

    You signed up to be expendable.

    So go expend yourself.

  56. It was understandable but not agreeable that the hidden Jewess, Madeleine Albright, had the desire to fry those unfortunate 500,000 Arab children but the halfwit witch Condoleezza Rice had no business in it, save a lucrative career after serving as the house negress for bubba G. W.

  57. @anonymous

    Al-Qaeda doesn’t need to be in Afghanistan to plan attacks on Americans. They can plan them anywhere they happen to be. There are plenty of Islamist enclaves in Europe for them to make their plans. The best way to prevent attacks on Americans, and on Westerners in general, is to get our elites to stop being soft on the Islamists. They have never understood the Islamists, whom they assume are motivated by politics rather than religion, and are more interested in protecting Muslims from us than in protecting us from Muslims. Identifying and expelling all the Islamists who are now in the West would be the first step in any sane policy designed to protect Americans.

    As for girls in Afghanistan, feminists as far as I can tell don’t care about them, so why should I? Feminists didn’t and don’t care about what happened to women in Iran after Muslims took over in 1979, so I can’t see them caring about Muslim girls going to school in Afghanistan. They certainly didn’t care about the trafficking of girls in Rotherham, England.

    But if I’m wrong, then you and all the feminists probably have the money to pay a mercenary army to help girls in Afghanistan.

    • Agree: Mark G.
  58. Patriot says:
    @Rogue

    There are many reasons why we’ve been at war in the Middle East for 20 years (40 yrs if you include Lebanon, and 70 yrs if you include our covert overthrow of Iran’s Prime Minister, and our military support for Israel in the 1950s), but the main reason is because Jews/Israel want us to neutralize all the Islamic nations that surround Israel.

    After WW2, millions of European Jews unlawfully invaided Palistine and cruelly displaced the people living there — a clear war crime, evil crime against humanity. The Palestinians were driven out into the desert and all their property taken. The surrounding Islamic nations said, “This is not right” and went to war to take back Palestine from the European Jewish invaiders, and return it to the rightful land owners. Return the Palestinians to theit homes and orchards.

    In the 1970s American Jews became powerful enough to control Congress and the Executive Branch, and devised the plan for America to destroy all Islamic ability to threaten Israel.

    Please watch video: Wesley Clark 7 countries in 5 years.

    Since then Jewish Neo-Cons have controlled USA Middle-East policy, Congress, our intellegence agencies, our military, and the Media. Lie, after lie, after lie is pushed onto the American people to continue our war crimes against Israel’s enemies – bayonetting babies, underground nuclear bomb labs, mobile bio-weapons labs, Sarin gas attacks, yellow cake uranium, attack on the ship Liberty, Lavon Affair, etc., etc.

    Jews have been fighting other Middle Easterners for 4,000 yrs, and Muslims for 1,300 yrs. I could care less. Let em fight, it’s NOT our fight.

    But I strongly object to rich, conniviving, evil Jews manipulating gullible American Christians to fight Jewish battles, and to die and pay for it also.

    If the Jews want to gennocide Muslimns, let THEM do the fighting. America should not get involved, and if we do, it should certainly not be on the side of that shitty little country.

    Note that the 1.3 billion Muslims used to love America. Thanks Israel!

  59. usNthem says:
    @xyzxy

    The Brits & Ruskis couldn’t deal with them either, but both had the good sense to cut their losses and get out quick. Our clowns running this circus must figure with a couple more decades, we’ll have afganis right where we want them.

  60. @Spender_CGB

    “Sir Frederic Goldsmid, who was a great grandson of David Franks…”

    They sound like a couple of Jews from their names. Do you know if they were?

    • Replies: @Spender_CGB
  61. @Fred777

    Of course no one in any of those groups is walking patrol in the Afghan mountains.

    Off course; they use contract killers, the US soldiers, along with some other rabid rats they create.

  62. Marckus says:
    @ben sampson

    Your comment is so idiotic you must have attended Staff College at the Salvation ARMY !

    And Jumblebrain would have been your instructor in strategy.

  63. @anonymous

    Correction: Taliban takes over the country, amerimutts cant spread faggotry and oppress them anymore.

    Eat shit and die, mutts. Your time is up. Tic toc…

  64. Marckus says:
    @onebornfree

    Shit, they even lie about their lying !

    And the public lies about not believing LOL.

  65. The war is never going to end as long as the ZUS military is being used to guard the CIA/MOSSAD/MI6 poppy fields, see the book The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred McMcoy.

    War is the business of the ZUS corporation via The Act of 1871, see fedjack.com.

  66. BL says:

    The Endless War: Afghanistan Goes On and On

    It isn’t nitpicking to point out that it really isn’t a war at this point.

    The real POTUS laid it all out here in one minute beginning in 2019, and belabored it to no effect innumerable times thereafter:

    Note that he says “I have plans to win that war in about two weeks . . . . . but I don’t want to kill ten million.” If you can’t read between the lines when Trump gives you such an obvious peak behind the curtain then you should noodle less serious matters.

    “I have plans . . .” — Gee, who might those have come from and what does it say about whether that war, when it could still be called a war with a straight face, was winnable? Give the devil’s their due, they surely ran this play against Obama, if not Bush too. The difference is that Trump let you in on what options the POTUS is presented with.

    Are you still confused as to why Mattis first ran away like a little girl from getting specific about Trump, and then openly joined the coup effort?

  67. Alfred says:
    @anonymous

    Girls can now go to school in Afghanistan.

    Before foreign meddling – the Russian were fooled by the Americans into entering Afghanistan – girls went to school in Afghanistan.

    The idea that one country, the USA, should decide the internal affairs of another on the other side of the planet is beyond the ridiculous.

    Below is a photo of school girls in 1977 in Kabul

    • Replies: @GMC
  68. Mefobills says:
    @Observator

    A freshman Illinois congressman named Lincoln presented the “spot resolution” in the House, calling on Polk to show exactly where the spot was that US forces had allegedly been attacked. His antiwar stance was so unpopular with his constituents that he was advised not to seek a second term,

    Lincoln instituted the national banking system which brought some control (not enough).

    Lincoln also issued debt free greenbacks, so interest on private loans could be paid.

    Just the greenbacks alone helped prevent imperialism.

    Why? The grabbing of new lands in war, is to hypothecate new loans to pay for exponentially expanding old loans. New debt pays old debts. New debts needs new lands, as most loans in finance capitalism are hypothecated against land (more than 70 percent).

    Think of it as like walking inside a funnel where the x axis is time, and y axis is expanding debt claims.

    Humans respond to prices and money like a fish responds to pressure and salinity.

    Also, in a demon-ocracy, the money powers maneuver in darkness to control the polity. They want their debts held against civilization to perform.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  69. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    In order to rape males or females, young or old, one needs to get it up. Any indication from his in person appearance that”Old White Joe” can make the grade?

  70. @xyzxy

    War? What war? There’s a small occupation force around the arable land to guard the poppy production. Cynacism should never be so easily suspended as is evident by perusing the comments in this Giraldi piece. Girl’s rights? OMG! How about girls rights in Saudi. So many red pills; so few takers.

  71. denk says:

    OTOH
    It might be a simple matter of getting the boys blooded.
    thats how the Brit/Ozzie SAS did it, sent the rookies to Afghan , Iraq, Nam..got them blooded with a few Mylai style ops, soon the queasy greenhorns would’be moulded into cold blooded killing machines.
    NO wonder the gringos were at war practically every month since 1785, they want their boys to get hand on.

    James Fallujah Mattis once told his host in China,

    ‘I heard the PLA are well trained.
    BUt no amount of training can beat the real stuff.
    more than 80% of our military have been baptised by the fire of wars, the PLA hasnt seen action since 1979/
    In any future conflict, the PLA would be no match for our seasoned warriors.

    USA is crawling with People like Mattis , who wear their blood drenched medals like a badge of honor.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  72. As awful as they are, the Taliban are actually the good guys here.

  73. Mefobills says:
    @Mefobills

    To expand on imperialism, democracies are imperialist because the central state has been captured.

    Hudson explains it in a few sentences “and forgive them their debts” page 64.

    _____-

    Creditors and property holders always have sought to break free of their fiscal and social obligations, while turning their debtors into clients and dependents.

    Debt has remained a major fiscal and economic strain for the past four thousand years, causing a timeless and universal conflict of interest between the implicit aim of governments to preserve social resilience and to help society survive and grow and privatized wealth of families looking out for their own interest. Families and privatized wealth rewrite laws to protect their land expropriations from being reversed while shifting the tax burden off themselves.

    Today, advocates of this decentralized opposition to government authority depict themselves as calling for “free markets.” Creditors, absentee landowners, and privatizers have used their rising wealth and power to centralize lawmaking authority in their own hands and control the economy in predatory extractive ways.

    ___________

    It actually takes a sovereign king, and a sovereign money system to smash privateering to then prevent Imperialism. Substitute in corporations and in-groups for “families” above and you get today’s clown-world. Fascism is a form of sovereignty, where the central government is not run by centralized lawmaking authority for creditor (((predators))).

    It is well known that our (((friends))), once they gain creditor control, create a kritarchy (rule by judges). And of course, the jurisprudence is “what is good for the jew.”

    Even absent the jew in our midst to muck up the works, it will still be difficult for a balanced civilization to rise.

  74. The ZUS war in Afghanistan started under a false premise.

    ZUS enemies, Russia, China, and Iran, know such was the case.

    Am bewildered as to why these demonized countries continue to allow the ZUS to perpetuate such an unforgivable lie.

  75. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    Thanks Alfred – the photo reminded me of the Vietnamese girls going to school – I actually got a good look at their curriculum that they were studying – I was impressed, they had some real decent math and science in their studies. Unfortunately the boys had to enter the military at 16 yrs of age. I knew a 15 yr. old kid – we named him Mike – and we had a birthday party for him because he had to go into the military – but the kid already got shot twice in a few fire fights . Wars should only last a week .

  76. @Patriot

    The safety of Israel is simply too important to allow peace. No matter how many Muslims and Americans must die, the Jewish people must be protected.

    This is the one time it’s NOT about Israel. This is about the USA keeping it’s opium dens full of free narcotics, ensuring future Afghan governments are pro-western mining corporations and keeping a military presence in the region to interfere with the new “silk road”.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  77. @ben sampson

    that war has gone on for 20 years and I do not recall a single Russian or Chinese intervention. if they really wanted to help america die then making their interventions most expensive seems to be the way

    Invading a foreign country without an official invitation is NOT what Russia and China do. The only solution to make this American illegal occupation of Afghanistan expensive is to dethrone the USD as World Reserve currency (petrol dollar). If the US can print money without consequence, the word expensive means nothing right.

    • Replies: @Malla
  78. SafeNow says:

    The movie “Twilight’s Last Gleaming” from the 70’s had this theme: The US fought the seemingly inexplicable war in Vietnam to convince the Soviets that the US was militarily crazy and unpredictable. This prevented possible Soviet military adventurism and perhaps a nuclear war. I think this “we are crazy!!” aspect is a cofactor in explaining the Middle East wars.

    As far as feeding the military budget goes, I advise deploying half a dozen divisions to Australia. The justification would be China’s activity in the region. Campaign patch to feature a kangaroo; cool patch.

  79. @dogbumbreath

    dogbumbreath said:
    “This is the one time it’s NOT about Israel.”

    Perhaps some commenters & maybe Philip Giraldi agree with you, but I have a respectful question.🤔

    How in the world can you decouple Israel from the 9/11 attacks and war on the Taliban, & subsequent evil ZUS War on Terror?

    Soon, 9/11’s 20th anniversary, and the Jews know that even intellectual Americans are trained, and will do anything for Israel.

  80. Alden says:
    @Observator

    In 1836 the Revolution of Texas province against the government of Mexico was all about slavery. Isabella and Ferdinand issued a decree forbidding slavery in all their colonies and future colonies in 1496?7?8? reacting to Columbus enslaving both Spanish colonists and natives in the Caribbean. That’s why a judge & prosecutors were sent out to arrest Columbus and bring him back to Spain.

    That’s also why Dutch English and Portuguese former colonies are infected with the Black Plague but former Spanish colonies are not.

    1800 Spain decided to populate Texas province of Mexico. Recruited Americans. Americans arrived and many brought their black servants. Formerly slaves in America, legally free employees in Mexico.

    1822 Mexico became an independent nation. Kept the law against slavery. 1829, knowing the American immigrants would do what they did in colonial US, start lawsuits and get elected to state government and pass laws legalizing slavery Mexican government passed another law making slavery illegal.

    And that was the reason for the Texican revolution against Mexico in 1836; to legalize slavery and infect the state with the Black Plague which will never be eradicated.

    Colorado, New Mexico Arizona California Nevada and other provinces of Mexico were spared the Black Plague until WW 2 and later.

    The war with Mexico made the US a compact continental nation which was the object and is good. As far as Mexico losing territory, only New Mexico had any significant population. The rest was empty. There were just not enough population in Mexico to fill that vast mostly desert territory.

    1822 Mexican territory ran Guatemala to the Oregon and Nebraska borders and Louisiana to the Pacific. Even N Mexico had a small population at the time.

    And most important, the USA would never have started the 1848 war with Mexico had Mexico remained a Spanish colony. Despite the Monroe Doctrine.

    How English Masons Funded Fought And Fomented The 1820s S American Revolutions Against Spain Is Another Hidden History .

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  81. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    1. The reasoning that we cannot withdraw from Afghanistan because the Taliban will retake control is absolute nonsense. Of course the Taliban will retake control of THEIR COUNTRY when we leave. That is the entire point of a withdrawal. If one holds to this kind of logic, then no war/occupation could ever come to an end.

    2. The notion that the “Al Qaeda” boogeyman might “retain a foothold” as a rationale for continuing the war is even more nonsensical given that the USAF has been flying air cover for Al Qaeda (by any number of new names) in Syria for several years now. The US, through its “allies” provides the payroll for Al Qaeda and ISIS fighters. Israel provides them with both material and air support as well as treating ISIS wounded in Israel.

    3. The “rights” of women in foreign countries is none of our concern and should NEVER EVER be a rationale for military or any other action against a foreign country. People should take a long look at what these “modern women’s rights” have done to our societies in the West in general and to the plight of women here specifically. I don’t think we have set a good example that any rational people should want to emulate.

    All US troops should be immediately repatriated back to US soil. We have a Navy whose job it is to protect our commerce and interests abroad. This was NEVER intended to be the role of the Army (or one presumes the Air Force). In fact, the USA should not even have a standing army beyond the professional cadre necessary to allow for rapid mobilization of the militia, whom the founders entrusted with the military defense of the homeland.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  82. Malla says:
    @Observator

    As George Carlin observed, we are a warlike people.

    Americans are not a warlike people, American elites are. Or else why would these complicated false flags be needed to rile up the people?
    America did not need the rest of the world that much. A huge resource rich land (about 30% of the World’s coal deposits are in one country, the USA!!!), great coastlines and rivers, a high IQ, mostly Northern European population with a great Protestant work ethic. A nation bound to become prosperous. There really was no need to get much involved with the rest of the World. The USA could have lived with relative isolation, need not have got involved in Eurasian affairs, avoided immigration of Eastern Europeans Jews since the 1890s and the large number of non Whites after the 1960s, sent the blacks back to Africa and lived happily ever after.

  83. @SafeNow

    Yes and the Soviets saw 9/12 Weeks and thought that anybody eating bacon off a naked woman must be crazy and forestalled their invasion of Norway.

    Decouple your reality from DVD’s and focus on facts and you will get some traction. BTW, the only real ‘American Madman’ concept was actually true but it involved a bluff strategy that Kissinger and Nixon devised to try to use bombing as leverage during the Paris peace talks.

    Cheers-

  84. Malla says:
    @dogbumbreath

    Invading a foreign country without an official invitation is NOT what Russia and China do.

    Sure, the Vietnamese invited the Chinese in 1979. Ya rite. By Russia, if you mean the present post Soviet, Russian Federation, you might be right. If you meant the USSR then that would be wrong.

  85. @Tsar Nicholas

    I agree but I can’t see any obvious Israeli security issue here.

    That’s because there isn’t any security issue. There is, however, an interest in regime change.

    See my post here:

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/the-endless-war-afghanistan-goes-on-and-on/#comment-4566108

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  86. The heroin needs to be protected.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  87. @Franz

    That was the problem, wasn’t it, that the Taliban was shutting down the drug trade. Much like China in the 19th century, this forced the Talmudics to get violent–which they do love doing–and ensure that markets were maintained and expanded.

    We all share the same parasite on this world.

    • Agree: Franz
  88. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice knew she was not telling the truth when

    You are giving waaay too much credit to this low-IQ she-ape, Phil, who is nothing but a puppet for the Jews. The US cannot withdraw its troops from the middle east because the Jews who control the USA don’t want them withdrawn. Real simple. You needn’t look any further for an answer.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  89. @onebornfree

    Yes sir, if it’s comin’ down the MSM or 98.9% of the alternative media sites sewer pipe, it’s probably a big load of steaming, stinking shit.
    Cheers

  90. gotmituns says:
    @RedpilledAF

    Wasn’t that the original problem with the Taliban, they were interfering with the drug trade?

    • Replies: @RedpilledAF
  91. Thank’s Phil, great article. By the way, I know people who are ….

  92. The Americans created the Mujaheddin to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. But who created the Taliban to topple the Mujaheddin and why? Could it be the same Americans to create the situation that led to their own occupation of Afghanistan? So something long planned and not just a reflexive response to 911 and Al Qaida in caves.

  93. @JohnPlywood

    War is, in fact, inevitable. The dying US Empire will NEVER, repeat NEVER, allow China to rise peacefully. That insults their cherished ‘ideals’ and ‘moral values’ that assert absolute Western racial and cultural superiority over all other peoples and societies, forever. Furthermore, many in the US elite and vast swathes of the peasantry are seized by the unquenchable desire to see this world destroyed in an End Times apocalypse of fire and suffering.

  94. @SafeNow

    Any study of history shows that the US state IS crazy, unpredictable, untrustworthy, unscrupulous, genocidal and innately Evil.

  95. @nokangaroos

    Indeed it is hard to see why Russia and/or China have not (yet) simply turned Afghanistan around – a few plausibly deniable MANPADS cost nothing; as soon as the Germans are gone from Kunduz …

    And why hasn’t Iran been supplying its missiles to the Taliban like it does to Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  96. @denk

    Actually denk, the real hero of Fallujah, is our own James Molan, now a far, far Right Senator in the Austrayan Senate, and a perennial guest on Murdoch’s SkyNews, spewing hatred of China etc, and loving adoration of the USA, Israel and the other stalwarts of ‘Western Moral Values’.

    • Replies: @denk
  97. The more gays they push into the US military the less likely they will want to leave their bacha bazis. Oh the joys of war; they won’t need to leave for R&R as the boys are all there.

  98. The active American military role in lying probably started at Valley Forge

    If it weren’t for Valley Forge you would not have the freedom to write and publish this article. You would not be sounding the alarm that republican government is being thwarted because we would not have a republican form of government at all.
    Your idealism is making you unethical. Ethical people make an effort not to be hypocritical.

  99. ‘The Endless War: Afghanistan Goes On and On’

    Of course it does. As they’ve demonstrated repeatedly over the centuries, the Afghans are entirely willing to fight any invader in perpetuity.

    It’s really kind of an IQ test. Stay one year? You’re pretty sharp. Stay nine years — like the Russians — you’re not too bright but eventually you work it out.

    Nineteen years? Well, how can we put this tactfully…

    • LOL: Patriot
  100. @Commentator Mike

    ‘And why hasn’t Iran been supplying its missiles to the Taliban like it does to Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen?’

    You need to take a class or something.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  101. I believe a fair way to judge the validity of the Mid-East wars is to audit the bank accounts and financial dealings of every General and Colonel involved, including their extended families, since 2001 through 2021. And, let’s not stop there, include every member of the House who voted to continue the insanity.

  102. @ben sampson

    ‘…that war has gone on for 20 years and I do not recall a single Russian or Chinese intervention…’

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

  103. Beagle says:

    In addition to stirring the permawar in Afghanistan, the Joe Biden (as a fig leaf)-‘led’ US foreign policy establishment is going to get the beheadings rolling in Syria again and play a game of world war chicken over Crimea.

    The Charge of the Light Brigade is back.

  104. barr says:
    @Anonymous

    Not sure if he were supporting or cautioning against this dark scheming . But this is par the course –Zbigniew Brzezinski, Graham Fuller ,Mike Flynn,Tulsi Gabbard- have all admitted or exposed the interesting strategies deployed against Soviet ,Russia and China over decades. Muslim Brotherhoods was deployed against Syrians by British . Now they ferry them as claimed by Russian and Afdghan Presidents .

    India was trying to recruit Uighur and Baluch against Chinese projects in Pakistan.This is not unknown to Pakistan and Iranian intelligence. It was hypothetically also discussed in Indian media .

  105. The fundamental reason we’re still in Afghanistan is that as long as we stay, we don’t have to admit we’ve lost.

    Since we can afford it (or think we can) we just continue with it. To leave would be to admit failure. So we don’t leave.

  106. @AnonStarter

    “Issue” = problem.
    “israel” is insecure. It is in the wrong place. It has parked itself on Palestine, so it is surrounded by enemies. Almost the whole world wishes “israel” would just shut up and disappear.
    There is an obvious “israeli” security issue everywhere.

    • Agree: Patriot
  107. @no jack london

    Sorry if my hyperbole went beyond his abilities.
    The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak….or, c’mon man, just rub my leg hairs niglettes.

    I actually did see a condensed clip of Bidet trying to respond to questions and the media is lobbing shit and he can barely swing the bat. I doubt he has a year left at this point.
    I don’t feel sorry for Bidet. I save that for America.

  108. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:

    “the endless war” Indeed, Sherlock Holmes first words to Dr. Watson, after observing he walked with a limp from a wound, were “You have been in Afghanistan I perceive”.

  109. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Assert racial superiority, really? Which race are you referring to? Hardly the white race, which won’t even ‘assert racial superiority’ over it’s own motherlands. What the elites want to assert over the rest of the world is the same degenerate multiracialist liberalism they’ve inflicted on their own countries. The US can only stay competitive if the rest of the world suffers from the same illness as it has.

    • LOL: Patriot
  110. @anon

    The govt. needs to offer generous pensions for life to the entire military plus the CIA, with few conditions, one staying home or nearby. That would save a huge amount of money and the US could provide free healthcare for all.

  111. Yeah, but the war has to go on.

    Because cops are just peachy wonderful guys who gently kneel on your head, and professional killers, I mean soldiers, are just honeybunnies and, reasons, and we just have to love up and kowtow all the irrational insane violence anybody comes up with as long as they are right wing.

    Check.

  112. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I rather think it’s not so emotional as all that. I rather think it goes on just because there’s lots of money to be made in them thar hills, whatever the war is.

  113. @gotmituns

    I believe that that was what angered the Talmudics and hence 9/11.

  114. denk says:

    All roads leads to………China.

    It make sense.

    Cheney The deep state sees China as the biggest long-term threat to those interests. If conflict with China is inevitable, it makes sense to have U.S. bases in Afghanistan, Kyrgyzstan, Iraq and maybe Iran and Syria. If China is dependent on Middle East oil, it makes sense for the U.S. to be able to control how and where it flows from the Caspian Sea and Persian Gulf oil fields. It makes sense to cultivate an alliance with India, risking the accusation of nuclear hypocrisy in doing so. It makes sense to ratchet up tensions on the Korean Peninsula, by linking North Korea to Iran and Iraq, calling it “evil,” dismissing South Korea’s “sunshine diplomacy” efforts and encouraging Japan to take a hard line towards Pyongyang. It makes sense to get Tokyo to declare, for the first time, that the security of the Taiwan Straights is of common concern to it and Washington. It makes sense to regain a strategic toehold in the Philippines, in the name of the War on Terror, and to vilify the growing Filipino Maoist movement. It makes sense for a man like Cheney, who decided on Bush’s staff in late 2000, to seed the cabinet with strategically-placed neocons who have a vision of a new Middle East. Because (1) that vision fits in perfectly with the broader New World Order and U.S. plans to contain China, and (2) the neocons as a coordinated “persuasion” if not movement, with their fingers in a dozen right-wing think tanks, and the Israel Lobby including its Christian Right component, and the academic community, are well-placed to serve as what Dreyfuss calls “acolytes

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/20/cheney-the-neocons-and-china/

    Those who didnt understand this big pic should be able to see it now, on hindsight.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @antibeast
  115. denk says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Fallujah was a family affair.

    The words irony and hypocrisy may not exist in the Pentagon’s thin dictionary, but you can’t accuse it of having no sense of timing. The attack against Iraq in 2003 started on the same day as March Madness. (For non-Americans reading this, that’s our collegiate basketball tournament.) It’s shock and awesome, ya’al. This year, it began Operation Moshtarak, designed to secure the poppy fields of Helmand, uh, I mean, to chase out evil Talibans, just moments after the opening ceremony of the Winter Olympics. I know, I know, the Olympics Truce is just a cutesy myth, but it can’t hurt to have distractions on ice and snow, with frills, triple axles, and an occasional, oh so nice uplifted leg, while we take care of some nasty business in the dessert. The Canadians also participated. Joining “the largest ever helicopter assault involving the Canadian air force,” Captain Mathieu Bergeron of Edmonton gushed, “There are helicopters everywhere. It’s awesome.” It’s too bad the Afghans didn’t send a delegation. A lone athlete could march in carrying a white flag, to a rousing ovation, too, no doubt.

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2010/05/top-killing/

    Like hyenas, the [[[fiveliars]]] always hunt together.
    Aint they the ring leaders of the old and current Eight Nations Alliance against China ??

    You’r right tho, Oz really distinguish itself these days, the poodle which barks even louder than the master.
    mAY BE big bro would throw some bones as rewards eh ?

    Here’s the joke.
    China has stopped buying Ozzy Oates these days, guess where’s their new supplier ?

  116. Atle says:

    The continuation of pointless war is the reason for the existence of the US Defense Department. No more, no less.

  117. antibeast says:
    @denk

    The US Deep State’s obsession with containing ‘Communist China’ started long before the so-called ‘War on Terror’, from the US support of the KMT against the CCP during the Chinese Civil War in the 1940s, arming the Tibetans against the CCP in the 1950s, fighting the Korean and Vietnam Wars in the 1960s, and sanctioning China after Tiananmen in the 90s. Outside of the brief periods of detente with Deng’s Liberals in the 80s and 2000s, the USA has been in a ‘Cold War’ against the PRC for most of its existence which explains why the USA has banned China from participating in the International Space Station. And contrary to popular misconceptions, China’s tech industries were largely homegrown affairs as the USA has blocked the transfers of the really high-falutin’ tech found in its defense, aerospace, space and science industries. The ‘outsourcing’ of manufacturing industries happened due to Asian manufacturers moving their factories to China in the 90s, a decade prior to its accession to the WTO in 2001, with US multinationals following suit thereafter. Since the GFC in 2008, China has been forced to restructure its economy away from exports to the USA and towards serving its own domestic market as well as other export markets in the world.

    • Replies: @denk
  118. @Colin Wright

    Well, that was a rhetorical question in response to his about Russia and China.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  119. JWalters says:
    @Patriot

    Agree. The USA has been conquered, as was England the the British Empire, by the Nation of Israel (of which the state of Israel is an extension). The Nation of Israel is a (large) subset of the Jewish people ruled by financiers headquartered in the the financial districts of London and New York, the City of London and Wall Street respectively. They first conquered the British Empire, starting with the financial sector, then the press and the the politicians. The strategy was repeated in America. Controlling the money and the press gives control over the politicians, and thus control of the government. (Aspiring politicians need money and good press, and can be readily knocked off with bad press and highly funded opponents.) War is a primary profit center for these predatory financiers. Other profit centers are money laundering, illegal drugs and weapons, and laying siege to entire countries in order to plunder their minerals and oil (using America as their dumb enforcer). So far they have conquered the Western Democracies with their stealth tactics (also including bribery, blackmail, and murder, e.g. Jeffrey Epstein), and aspire to conquer the world. More details and sources are in two articles on the war on terror and Israel’s bank at
    “War Profiteer Story”
    https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride, Patriot
    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  120. Jiminy says:

    What’s with the US caring about whether girls are going to school or not in Afghanistan? Look at the negro schooling situation in the states, where if they do go to school it’s just to assault diligent students deluded enough to try to study there. Or do they think that the female students will then leave Afghanistan to gain employment in the businesses of the western world? Basically competing with in the US, protected species for limited jobs. We all know that kids can go all the way to grade twelve and beyond and be lucky if they can get a couple of days work at KFC.
    The yanks will never leave Afghanistan until it’s written in blood just who owns the over 2.5 trillion dollars worth of mineral wealth that lies underneath the afghani deserts. And as for mind-controlling wegers through a 46 mile border shared with China, that is what I would call a choke point. Who in their right mind would get excited over such an area, it would be a killing field.
    Concerning al qaeda becoming a threat to the US again if not kept in check, were they not simply another arm of the US arsenal, there to do the yanks bidding when asked?
    No, the US won’t be leaving Afghanistan anytime soon, that’s for sure.

  121. denk says:
    @antibeast

    The FUKUS led [[[fiveliars]]] have been waging covert/overt wars, including the dastardly biowarfare, on China since 1949.

    A partial list…
    1950 Korean war,
    1955, CIA/TW attempt at Zhou Enlai’s life
    1959 Tibet,
    1962 Indo./sino war,
    1965 [[[CIA/MI5]]] INdon genocide on ethnic Chinese.
    1989 TAM,
    1993, Yinhe hijack by USN, pirates at hight sea.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/06/world/no-chemical-arms-aboard-china-ship.html
    1998 Indon pogrom , mass rapes on ethnic Chinese
    1999 BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo,
    2001 Hainan spy plane, Chinese pilot died.
    2003 SARS1,
    2008 Tibet riots,
    2009 Xinjiang bloodbath,
    2013 Bird flu H7N9, Asia pivot
    2014 Xinjiang, HK, Mh370, bubonic plague, Ebola, Dengue,
    2018 bird flu, H7N9
    2019 HK, Xinjiang, swine flu, army worms,
    2020 SARS2, H5N1, locusts.
    2021 Xinjiang, HK, SARS2, TW, ECS, SCS…
    FULL SPECTRUM DOMINANCE.

    Yet even at MOA, UNZ, SAKER, we see idiots parroting the official lines on The Chinese threat, Chinese hostility and gawd forbid…Chinese invasion ! .
    Dont get me started on the MSM !

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  122. @denk

    Poor China.

    She victim!

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @denk
  123. @Colin Wright

    Creating a drug war in the Philippines by manufacturing meth and flooding the US ghetto with Fenatyl and turning UK city centers into a scene from DAWN OF THE DEAD makes China the biggest victim on earth.

    All the while talking about the evil Opium Wars of the 18th century.

    Now fortunately, the Chinese and the Indians and the Africans all have beefs with one another now that the whites are no longer around as glorified foreman.

    So when some border war causes a full-blown race was in Singapore between Tamils and Chinese or the Africans pull an Indonesia with the Chinese and kill their engineers and $20 a throw hookers…Northern Eurasians can sit around and eat popcorn and watch.

    What do we really care?

    Let China flood Philippines with meth and let the Filipinos leave dead addicts on the roads.

    As long as it doesn’t touch the US.

    As for Afghanistan, well, commodities are commodities. The guy flooding the USA with heroin probably won’t even drink alcohol.

    Sort of like El Chapo forbid Sean Penn to smoke cigarettes in his presence, as he did not use tobacco much less indulge in his own lethal products.

    • Troll: antibeast
    • Replies: @denk
  124. @Commentator Mike

    ‘Well, that was a rhetorical question in response to his about Russia and China.’

    My apologies, then.

  125. denk says:

    UNZ resident white trash supremacist..

    So when some border war causes a full-blown race was in Singapore between Tamils and Chinese or the Africans pull an Indonesia with the Chinese and kill their engineers and $20 a throw hookers…Northern Eurasians can sit around and eat popcorn and watch

    This is how the [[[fiveliars]]] celebrated the CIA’s greatest hit of the 20C

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/in-search-of-enemies/#comment-4403171

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/in-search-of-enemies/#comment-4404334

    Northern eurasians [sic]

    euros are occupied countries just like
    Oz, both take order from the gringos

    They even threaten to renege on the
    newly minted investment treaty with
    China, as if its some kind of charity hand out

    Guess what, the chicoms just told them to ‘take it back and shove up yours’ !

    pATHEtic , these euros.

    hehehehhe

  126. denk says:
    @Colin Wright

    UNZ resident village idiot

    Poor China.

    She victim!

    gringos..

    The chicoms , ruskkies, persians,. haitians, venezuelians, cubans…
    they are out to get us.
    We gotta kill them before they kill us

    YOu need help honey.
    Ever heard of …..
    persecutory delusional disorder

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  127. @MEH 0910

    Murder and destruction are highly profitable. This is what the Imperial droogs mean by ‘Our Moral Values’, so superior to those of the Godless ChiComms.

  128. anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

    “The real damage comes when governments lie in order to start or continue a war. The Administration of George W. Bush did just that when it lied about Iraq’s secular leader Saddam Hussein seeking nuclear weapons.”

    That was DCI “slam dunk” Tenet. That is CIA’s uniform M.O. The Alzheimer regency of former DCI George H.W. Bush also lied as a pretext to aggression. In this case we can trace the origin of the policy to Graham Fuller (impresario of CIA’s “Boston Explosion” state of exception that murdered Tam and framed Jokar Tsarnaev; a failed provocation against Russia.)

    https://pt35b.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/memorandum_1985_gfuller.pdf

    CIA used fabricated Israeli evidence to frame Gadafy for bombings in Europe as a pretext for armed attack.

    These perps are not in prison either. But there’s time. There is no standard of limitation on universal jurisdiction crimes. To stop this shit you got to raze Langley and lock these crooked fuckers up. You’ll need to execute a couple too, to prove you mean it. Start with Brennan.

  129. anonymous[412] • Disclaimer says:

    “It [sic] will continue to have its pointless wars, and its bloated “defense” budgets.”

    CIA puke Vickers started this particular pointless war. Crack CIA agent Musbah Eter bombed La Belle disco to have something CIA could frame Gadafy for. CIA has been trying to make Libya an arms entrepot since 1985 and they finally succeeded in 2011 with a plan and program of illegal war propaganda. Using arms and agents from Libya, CIA is now supplying provocations in the Sahel to justify AFRICOM. These wars are not pointless, they are profit centers for CIA gunrunning.

    Whenever CIA sticks the Pentagon with one of its clusterfuck wars you get Boy Scouts like Giraldi tut-tutting. That darn Pentagon. This is how stupid Giraldi thinks you are.

  130. denk says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    UNZ resident white trash…

    So when some border war causes a full-blown race was in Singapore between Tamils and Chinese or the Africans pull an Indonesia with the Chinese and kill their engineers and $20 a throw hookers…Northern Eurasians can sit around and eat popcorn and watch

    .

    hey asshole,
    you did the Indon genocide on Chinese, needs no introduction.

    you ‘pull an indon in Africa..
    Exhibit A
    https://alethonews.com/2015/11/27/terror-in-mali-an-attack-on-china-and-russia/

    you pumped sleeping Chinese workers full of bullets in AfghaN…
    http://en.people.cn/200406/21/eng20040621_147032.html

    Made in USA TTP ‘terrorists’ slaughter Chinese engineers in Pak..
    https://advocateyousuf.blogspot.com/2007/07/sino-american-turf-battle-in-pakistan.html

    Did I hear Philippines ?

    UNDISPUTED PROOF THAT US INTELLIGENCE IS BEHIND GLOBAL TERRORISM
    CIA AGENT MICHAEL MEIRING BLEW HIS OWN LEGS OFF WHILE PLANTING A TERRORIST BOMB

    voxnews

    THERE IS A MASSIVE COVERUP BY THE CIA CONTROLLED US MEDIA. ALL MAJOR US MEDIA GIANTS ARE INVOLVED IN THE COVERUP OF THE TERRORIST INCIDENT WHERE AN AMERICAN CIA AGENT (MICHAEL MEIRING) BLEW HIS OWN LEGS OFF WHILE PLANTING A CIA SPONSERED TERRORIST ATTACK ON THE PEOPLE OF THE PHILIPPINES. THIS IS THE STORY THAT WILL NOT GO AWAY. IT IS THE CLEAREST AND MOST OBVIOUS EVIDENCE THAT US INTELLIGENCE IS BEHIND GLOBAL TERRORISM. IT ALSO REINFORCES THE PRINCIPLE THESIS OF THE VOXNEWS INVESTIGATIONS THAT THE US INTELLIGENCE IS IN FACT THE LARGEST COUNTERFEITER ON THE PLANET EARTH. AND THAT THEY FINANCE MANY OF THEIR TERRORIST OPERATIONS WITH COUNTERFEIT MONEY< WHICH IS NOW CURRENTLY COMING HOME TO ROOST

    http://www.voxfux.com/archives/00000105.htm

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  131. denk says:

    USA, that WARfare state….
    A death merchant masquerading as a country,.

    The Washington-based Quincy Institute, arguably the most intellectually stimulating American think tank nowadays, in its compulsively readable publication Responsible Statecraft featured on Tuesday an investigative report titled Weapons biz bankrolls experts pushing to extend Afghan War, authored by Eli Clifton, noted expert and journalist on US foreign policy.

    It was an expose of the interest groups that dominate the narratives on America’s ‘forever wars’. Clifton made a case study of the controversial report by a group of experts established by Congress, which recommended that the White House should extend the May 1 deadline for withdrawing troops from Afghanistan, as stipulated under the Doha pact with the Taliban.

    But the fine print is: “Two of the group’s three co-chairs and nine of the group’s 12 plenary members… have current or recent financial ties to major defence contractors, an industry that soaks up more than half of the $740 billion defence budget, and stands to gain from protracted U.S. military involvement overseas.”

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/indias-forever-wars-and-forever-warriors/

  132. For the military-industrial complex, Afghanistan is the gift that keeps on giving.

  133. @denk

    We need a ‘too stupid for words’ button.

    I suppose that as with Jews, for every Chinese with an IQ of 120, there’s one with an IQ of 90.

  134. @denk

    The residents of Little Indian in Singapore will tire of the alcohol restrictions & social control of the Chinese aparthied class. It won’t be anything as macro as US involvement. Nor was it in Indonesia, where as Mike pointed out the Chinese ran off with the money of the Indonesians.

    These are internal beefs caused by the Chinese inclination to corruption & theft when they are allowed to run a country.

    White trash? Would white trash who lived in a double-wide in the US flyover really argue with you that FUKUS mean Fukien-as in the ones who actually run Southeast Asia? Which white trash knows that?

    Philippines has a Spanish-blooded Mestizo elite-the same that Me Cane You (Lee Kuan Yew)-disliked. These Spanish Mestizos have prevented the complete takeover of the Philippines by Fukien people (FUKUS) unlike Indonesia or Singapore.

    However, the Philippines Fukien population is so heavily involved in importing shabu & frying the brains of the Filipinos that this offsets the political influence of the Spanish ruling elite to a degree.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  135. antibeast says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Do you work for the US Deep State or are you a moron or both? Those so-called ‘Chinese’ are Southeast Asians, get it? While the recent ‘Chinese’ immigrants from the PRC date to the 90s, the prior ‘Chinese’ immigrants have long ago intermarried and assimilated with native Southeast Asians or have acculturated to their host Southeast Asian societies as evidenced by their adopting native names, speaking native languages and acquiring Southeast Asian nationalities.

    Speaking of the Philippines, most Filipino elites have Chinese ancestry dating back to the Spanish colonial era when the Spaniards allowed Chinese immigrants to settle in the Philippines provided they converted to Catholicism and intermarried with native Philippine women, much like Thailand where the Thai monarchy invited Chinese immigrants to settle in Thailand provided they converted to Thai Buddhism and intermarried with native Thai women. What you call ‘Spanish Mestizos’ in the Philippines are in actuality Filipinos of Chinese descent because the few Spanish settlers mostly resided separately from native indios in the Spanish colonial era, unlike in Spanish-speaking Latin America where large numbers of Spanish settlers were allowed to reside in and intermix with the native Mesoamericans in the Americas. With the exception of a few Spanish Filipino Elite families like the Ayalas, most Filipino Mestizo Elite families have Chinese ancestry despite their Spanish-sounding names. Marcos himself acknowledged this historical fact and decreed the mass naturalization of Chinese immigrants during his term. What Lee observed was that the Filipino Mestizo Elites inherited the feudal system from the Spanish colonizers which tend to separate them from the native indios, similar to the Spanish hacienda system in Spanish-speaking Latin America. According to Lee, US-style ‘democratic politics’ didn’t really work in the Philippines as entrenched Filipino Mestizo Elites captured the State through control of Philippine Politics. Alfred McCoy has written about this phenomenon in Philippine Politics which Benedict Anderson calls “cacique democracy”.

    • Replies: @Alden
  136. The Chinese were in the Philippines long before the Spanish & any girl from any of the Fukien business cartel families in the Philippines who marries an Filipino will be cut off.

    I should add that the Phil-Chinese with the influence came in the Taiping rebellion or afterwards up to the rise of the CCP. They’ll still come, but now as illegals in online gaming.

    The Mestizo descendants of the original Chinese bush peddlers assumed Spanish names & do not have the influence of the later family cartels (Lims, Ungs etc.) who now control 90% of the economy. Some are influential, but the real economic clout sits with the more recent arrivals like Henry Sy.

    At various intervals the Spanish-Mestizos in politics have tried to diminish their influence. Marcos himself claimed to be a Chinese Mestizo but the Spanish Mestizos pressured him to strip the Phil-Chinese of their citizenship in the 70’s.

    The Spanish Mestizos are descended maternally from local tribal chieftain’s daughters-so-called principalias-same as the Spanish did in Mexico with strategic marriages. There might be 100 of them. There are a handful of Spanish Criollos remaining in the Philippines who are purely Spanish or nearly. Unlike the ostentatious new money Fukien, they stay under the radar.

    It was really when the Chinese got into the shabu (Meth) trade that they really destroyed the Philippines. Some were local Phil-Chinese who owned pharmacies & hardware stores. Nowadays, the domestic production of shabu is gone so the Phil-Chinese import directly from China.

    Marcos suppressed the drug trade but in his waning years in the early eighties shabu hit the Philippines. The Hispanicized Austronesian were hit hard by it & soon their squats were full of rapists, murderers & drug runners & burglars. Phil-Chinese live in subdivisions, where they are unaffected.

    The idea that Phil-Chinese acculturated with Filipinos is absurd. If you ever lived in a subdivision with them, they’ll tell you exactly what they think. As a foreigner, you’ll come into contact with the Phil-Chinese more than the Spanish-blooded Mestizos.

    The Spanish-blooded Mestizos, I should add, allied themselves with the Americans when Spain lost the war & unlike the Phil-Chinese who always go to the mainland for lunar holidays many of the Spanish-Mestizos have no further connection to Spain. Some, like the Razons, do however.

    As for the degree of Spanish blood, there was significant concubinage. Especially among the friars. Also, there was the galleon trade so many Mexicans intermarried with Pinoys.

    But the actual Spanish Filipinos with power are the descendants of tribal chieftain’s daughters.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @antibeast
  137. denk says:

    jeff striyker UNZ resident white trash

    The residents of Little Indian in Singapore will tire of the alcohol restrictions & social control of the Chinese aparthied class

    A minor spat bet a bus driver and Indian worker turned into a riot when other workers pumped full of alcohol joined in for the fun.
    The govn slapped a blanket restriction for all, no alcohol sale after 1030 pm…thanks to your indian mates.

    Apartheid ?
    Fuck your sorry ass.
    —————————————–
    Colin Wright the resident idiot

    YOu have been bleating on UIghurs eh ?
    May be you have solid proof of Xinjiang genocide, show us or fuck off.

  138. Alden says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Correct. The Chinese arrived in Philippines starting 800 AD and they rule the Philippines. They are easily distinguished by their white skin in contrast to the standard Malay tan skin.

    They are the business people and always have been.

  139. Alden says:
    @antibeast

    Correct except that the Chinese began arriving about 800 AD centuries before the Spanish. Contrary to Jeff’s assertion they didn’t intermarry, they did. But it’s still very easy to distinguish between a pure Malay and a Malay Chinese mix by the skin color and other features I’d you’re familiar with Phillipinos

  140. antibeast says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Sorry but you’re wrong.

    The Spaniards initially welcomed Chinese immigrants as laborers and traders but became alarmed when their numbers rose rapidly in the early days of their colonial rule. Chinese rebellions led to periodic massacres and expulsions which then forced the Spaniards to come up with a scheme to encourage conversion of the Chinese immigrants and their intermarriage with native Indio women. The Spaniards designated Binondo as the place where the offspring of these unions would reside. Overtime, these Chinese mestizos (called mestizo de sangleys) took over the commercial trade of the islands as Chinese immigrants arrived and intermixed with this growing population. In the meantime, the Spanish criollos and mestizos resided in the walled-city of Intramuros who lived off the easy profits to be made from the Spanish Galleon Trade as they were granted licenses for a cargo slot in the twice-yearly nao de china galleon ship which they filled with Chinese silk in exchange for Mexican silver. These nao de china galleon ships traversed Manila to Acapulco by ship, thence by land to Veracruz and onwards by ship to Seville. On their return, Mexican silver would be unloaded in Manila to be paid to Chinese merchants from Fujian who would pick up the Mexican silver as payment for their Chinese goods. Few Spanish residents of Intramuros ventured outside Manila as they lived off the Spanish Galleon Trade. From these group of Chinese mestizos emerged the national hero Jose Rizal, the first Philippine President Emilio Aguinaldo, WWII war hero General Vicente Lim, Jaime Cardinal Sin, several Philippine Presidents including Osmena, Laurel, Marcos, Cory Aquino, Benigno Aquino III and Duterte, plus most of the intellectual, scientific, political and professional elites of the Philippines which is similar to the case in Thailand where extensive intermarriage over centuries of Chinese immigration has produced a Thai elite of Chinese descent. Other Southeast Asian countries with high levels of Chinese immigration include Vietnam over a period of two millennia with the highest proportion in the North.

    You have a poor grasp of Southeast Asia, relying on worn-out racist tropes about the ‘Fu Manchu’ Chinaman. Most Chinese immigrants to Southeast Asia intermarry with the natives and assimilate to their host societies with the exception of Singapore and Malaysia where they maintain distinct ethnic identities based on their hybridized peranakan culture.

    China is extremely influential in East and Southeast Asia, going back two millennia, with Japan, Korea and Vietnam considered part of the Confucianist/Buddhist East Asian Civilization. Having regained its former status as the most militarily powerful, most technologically-advanced and most economically prosperous State in all of Asia, China is now integrating the whole of Asia via its BRI, AIIB and SCO initiatives as well as multilateral initiatives such as the RCEP. Beyond Asia, China is connecting Europe, Africa and the Americas to Asia via its BRI initiative with the Chinese State having emerged as the biggest player in the developing economies of Asia, Africa and Latin America.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  141. @antibeast

    Fu Manchu was from Northern China…the Tsinoys (Or Chinoys) are from the Fujian Province & always immigrate via Amoy harbor…historically the Manchu were enemies of the Fukien & rampaged through the Fujian Province so I don’t know what you are talking about, you are right.

    Isabel Granada made a film in the Middle East where I was living & I met her

    & Spanish Filipinos have a completely different appearance than Chinoys. For that matter, Spanish Filipinos have a different appearance than Pil-Ams though both are Eurasian.

    I have not done business with the Teochew of Bangkok & do not care to comment.

    At any rate, Chinese Mestizos get less assistance from the full-blooded Phil Chinese & cannot get the start-up business loans that Chinoys give one another.

    I happened to live in Cebu for three years at which time I was doing business with the Tsinoys (Or Chinoy or Insik) whom I simply thought of as Fukien. There’s a few Tsinoys who came from other parts of China but most of them are from the Fujian province & if you ever actually lived in a subdivision in the Philippines you’ll hear Hakkan being spoken (Or Hokkien or whatever).

    Jose Rizal’s grandfather was a Spanish immigrant engineer named Alonzo. Of course his father a Chinese Mestizo. He also had Japanese ancestry when Japanese Christians immigrated to the Philippines to escape persecution.

    Many full-blooded Spaniards born in the Philippines fought for Independence from Spain, for that matter. The word “Filipino” originally referred to Spanish citizens born in the Philippines.

    [MORE]

    There are still occasional ructions between the Chinese & Spanish Filipinos which broke out in Cebu when Paco (I knew the family of the guy) raped & killed two Chinese girls & then fled to Spain. The Chinoys retaliated by raping & killing a Spanish-Filipino Mestizo & old Spanish-Chinese tensions which are always more prevalent in Visayan region than in Luzon arose…there were some small-scale skirmishes between the Hacienderos & Chinoys in Negros Oriental.

    There are even Chavacanos, a group of Filipinos of Mexican descent who to this day continue to speak Spanish & live in Mindanao. It’s really hard to pinpoint how much Spanish blood the average Pinoy has because the Friars & soldiers all kept concubines like they did in Latin America. As a rule of thumb, the Visayans have more Spanish DNA than Luzonians. For one thing, the Japanese killed many of the Spanish Filipinos in WWII in Manila.

    White-collar Filipinos tend to be Chinese Mestizos or full-fledged Chinese (Some immigrants even like Sy) but the huge landowners like the Ortegas who own 40 miles of Luzon are Spanish-Filipinos.

    Fukien don’t come from the Fujian Province & marry Pinoys. Most of the Fujian province emigre women were betrothed to Phil-Chinese males already in the Philippines.

    Of course many of the Phil-Chinese males just like the Spanish keep mistresses on the side & have entire side families. However, these Mestizos cannot go to the “Family association” for money. But generally marriages are carefully arranged by Chinoys. Phil-Chinese women who do get pregnant by poor Pinoys-and this does happen although it is rare-are cut off by the father in many cases.

    You mention Confucianism & actually that is an example of Chinoys reflecting the “old China”. Because more Chinoys follow Confucianism than people in Mainland China. At any rate, some Chinese in SEA converted to Islam, for that matter. They’ll adhere to the party line. That is part of doing business.

    As far as Alden’s statement, which reflects the fact that he or she has never been to the Philippines, actually the Koreans are moving in on the Phil-Chinese. They have somehow gotten around the foreign investment laws. Tensions between the two groups are rising. People thought the Chinoys were rude & cold & reserved until the Koreans arrived & began to behave like barbarians. They are often shot like dogs on the street.

    Responding to Chinese Singaporean Denk, come now, is this the setting for profanity?

    At any rate, the strange thing is the the Philippines was actually an Indian Raj before the Spanish arrived, but there is no remaining sign of this. Unlike Singapore or Malaysian, where Indians vie for power with the Chinese, they never controlled the Philippines. And the Spanish Filipinos were quick to merge alliances with the Americans in the colonial era.

    I will adhere to my original statement that is the Chinese & Phil Chinese who are responsible for the drug war & the degree to which meth blighted the Philippines. The Spanish Filipinos had nothing to do with this. Neither did the Pinoys, except as the hapless consumers or low-level drug runners whose money goes back into Chinese laboratories.

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  142. antibeast says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Your observations reflect a biased understanding of the Philippines, just based on how you classify the various ethnic groups in the islands. What you claim to be ‘Chinese’ are in fact Philippine Citizens who may or may not have ties to either the PRC or ROC. Before then, they were indeed ‘Chinese’ because they were citizens of the ROC. The recent arrivals from the PRC came after the 90s who started with the import/wholesale business but those who arrived during the American colonial period had already become Philippines Citizens such as Henry Sy. The reason why an ethnic Chinese community formed during the American colonial period was due to the change from the Spanish colonial policy of promoting conversion to Catholicism and intermarriage with native Filipinos to the American colonial policy of allowing Chinese residents to form their own ethnic communities, as with the Japanese, Europeans and other foreign residents of the islands. The Americans actually persecuted the Spanish Filipinos by discouraging Spanish language use, abolishing Spanish Catholic Friar estates, establishing a US-style public education system in order to marginalize the Spanish Catholic Parochial school system and destroying the Spanish Walled-City of Intramuros during WWII. The Japanese likewise massacred lots of Spanish Filipinos during the war. The Americans pretty much kept to themselves during the colonial era and left the public administration to Filipinos which included lots of Chinese mestizos like Osmena as well as a few Spanish mestizos like Quezon. During this American colonial period, an ethnic Chinese business community formed in the Philippines who were citizens of the ROC, studied in Chinese-language schools organized by the KMT and had social, cultural and economic ties to China. These ROC Chinese then became Philippine Citizens after WWII which includes Chinese Filipinos such as Henry Sy. But these Chinese Filipinos have high rates of intermarriage as well, contrary to popular misconceptions. Only a few, ultra-conservative, wealthy Chinese families would have retained their ethnic Chinese heritage as they would have social, cultural and economic ties to HK, Taiwan or the PRC.

    You’re right that the big landowners in the Philippines tend to be Spanish Filipinos such as the Ayalas (owners of Makati CBD), Ortigas (owners of Ortigas CBD), etc. whose vast tracts of land were bequeathed to them under the Spanish Land Grant system. However, the small landowners tend to be Chinese mestizos because they had the money to buy land from the Spanish Catholic Friar Estates which were broken up by the Americans. The Spanish mestizos were mostly poor bastards of Spanish priests or soldiers who did not inherit any property from their Spanish forbears in contrast to the pure-blooded Spanish criollos who mostly lived in Manila as absentee landlords and leased out their lands to Filipino tenant-farmers. These wealthy Spanish Filipinos such as the Ayalas, Ortigas, Razons, etc. tend to keep to themselves and stay out of politics. But their many businesses rely on cooperation with the far more enterprising Chinese Filipinos as well as foreign partners from Japan, Singapore, HK, Malaysia and lately, China.

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  143. @Curmudgeon

    Good for them that they were able to reverse women’s lib and secularism, at least temporarily. Ayatollah Khomeini managed to do something similar and brought Iran back from the brink of degeneration, though that revolution seems to have run its course.

  144. @antibeast

    Well the fact that Tsinoys control the senate & congress of the Philippines & it is so corrupt that that they cannot even organize public railway systems & is woefully unprepared for typhoons really does not make me want a Chinese ruling elite running the USA. Say what you will about the Democrats, but they want to funnel more money into public works & raise taxes on corporations.

    It seems to me the Spanish-Filipino oligarchs claim their aristocracy on their female sides as the Spanish administrators married the daughters of tribal chieftains as a strategy to form alliances.

    The Chinese-Mestizos come in all walks of life. Generally they are better off than other Filipinos but some Mestizos live in squats. You’ll never see a “First Tier” or even a “Fourth tier” full ethnic Chinese living in a squat.

    The lesser Spanish-Mestizos money was all in land, so by the fifth or sixth generation, there were so many of them that 40 miles of land was divided among 400 people.

    During Henry Sy’s time, it was easy for Chinese to become citizens. They just got off a boat from Amoy & signed their name in a book at the port. Immigration in the US colonial period did not really exist.

    I don’t know that the average Chinoy is more enterprising than an Ayala. The roads & bridges were built by the Spanish. The Chinese made money off consumers, but the Spanish & Americans developed the country.

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  145. antibeast says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Chinese Filipinos don’t get involved in Philippine Politics and strictly limit their participation in Philippine Society to Chinese Filipino civic organizations. Only the assimilated ones who have intermarried with native Filipinos participate in Philippine Politics and become part of Philippine Society.

    Spanish Filipinos likewise don’t get involved in Philippine Politics but they participate in Philippine Society via the Roman Catholic Church and their own Spanish Filipino civic organizations.

    The Philippine Oligarchy consists mostly of Chinese mestizos and a smaller number of Spanish mestizos who are typically landlords in the rural regions, exercise political power as dynastic clans lording over landless indios. The Chinese and Spanish Filipinos negotiate with the Philippine Oligarchy by financially backing those candidates whose policies tend to favor their business interests.

    The Philippine Middle Class consists of mostly college-educated Chinese mestizos, indios and Spanish or European mestizos who work in business, industry, government or the professions and participate in Philippine Politics by backing political factions within the Philippine Oligarchy.

    The Philippine Lower Class consists of mostly poor indios, Amerasians (unions of Filipinos and US servicemen) and moros. Unlike other parts of Southeast Asia, Chinese immigrants to the Philippines are almost invariably merchants rather than laborers and thus tend to belong to the Philippine Middle Class after they intermarry and assimilate.

    The Spanish colonial authorities practiced racial/ethnic segregation by designating residential areas in Manila, as follows: Binondo (Chinese mestizos), Intramuros (Spanish, Spanish mestizos), rest of Manila (indios). Outside of Manila, the Spanish Priest lived in the Church in the town square as did the Spanish Governor. The Principales were given special privileges as Village Captains but were still not allowed to become Priests or Governors. Some Spanish soldier or landlord would intermarry with the indio daughter of the Principales but these were few and far in between as most Spanish people lived in Intramuros. That’s how the Philippines differs from Latin America because there were no massive influx of Spanish settlers who intermarried with native indio women. Instead, the Philippines saw massive influx of Chinese immigrants who intermarried with native indio women. That’s why the overwhelming majority of the Philippine Middle Class are Chinese not Spanish mestizos. Since there are too few Spanish mestizos, the few Spanish mestizos who became involved in Philippine Politics had to indigenize themselves to appeal to the indio masses. In addition, the pureblooded Spanish Filipinos and Chinese Filipinos could not participate in Philippine Politics but had to strike political alliances with the indigenized Spanish and Chinese mestizo elites.

    The Philippines has an informal caste system consisting of Chinese/Spanish Filipino business elites on the one hand and Chinese/Spanish mestizo political elites on the other. The indios who succeed in business or politics need to strike alliances with both classes of Philippine elites. Whenever foreign investors need local partners, they invariably seek either Chinese or Spanish Filipino business elites. That’s one reason why the Chinese Filipino business elites tend to dominate the Philippine economy because the foreign investors from Asia tend to partner with Chinese Filipinos while the foreign investors from Europe tend to partner with Spanish Filipinos. This is also one reason why the Chinese Filipino business elites want to maintain their ethnic Chinese identity amongst their heirs because they want their sons or daughters to be able to speak Chinese with foreign investors from Chinese-speaking East Asia and Southeast Asia. Spanish Filipino business elites don’t have this advantage as their Spanish-speaking ability limits them only to social and cultural functions related to their Spanish Filipino civic organizations. Thus, Spanish is seen as the language of high culture while Chinese is viewed as the language of business elites. English is recognized as the language of the professions which is used by the Philippine Middle Class.

    One caveat is that as China become even more influential and dominant in the region, more and more of the educated Philippine elites will become proficient in Chinese in the future. This phenomenon is already happening all over Asia as Chinese may become the lingua franca of the cultural, scientific, political, intellectual and business elites in Asia.

  146. Anon[879] • Disclaimer says:
    @moi

    Irving Kristol on Jewish interests 46 years ago, :
    “Senator [George] McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/08/zionist-opposed-interests/

    • Agree: moi
  147. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:

    Zionism is cut from the same cloth as Nazism and Bolshevism, and cut by the same hand – the Anglo-American banking establishment. Insider Anthony C. Sutton has documented this quite well, as has Bill Clinton mentor Carroll Quigley. Zionism is really a bizarre parody of Nazism, right down to the tribal “master race” fantasy, the concentration camps, and the internal, hated, ethnic “other.” Israel was created with an alliance between Nazis and self-hating, atheist, Zionist Jews – Nazi troop ships brought whole Jewish factories and villages to Palestine before the war. They betrayed the observant Jews of Europe. But yes, Mossad works with the CIA to do these false flags. They also fund and run ISIS with the Paedo-gon. Wahabists in Saudia Arabia are in league with them, because they wish to wipe out all other sects of Islam. Israel is left alone, you’ll notice. ISIS never even mentions them. Likewise, they never attack oil rich nations allied with the USA. Only those oil-rich nations that have their own financial system, that stand apart from – the banking establishment. The first thing they did in Libya was to airlift out the gold reserves, and install a Rothschild central bank.

    The Zionist West created Israeli Secret Intelligence Service ISIS to demonize Islam and Muslims.
    The Zionist West has a history of making mockery of the Creator of Heaven’s and earth.
    These are the same godless people whose ancestor’s have killed messenger’s of God that were sent to remind humanity to live by the Shari’ah TEN Commandments.
    But instead they have deviated by engaging in false flag hoaxes such as 9-11, Boston Marathon, London 7-7-7, Paris false flags.
    The have removed the institution of family and decency by legalizing homosexuality, pornography, gambling, Adultery, fraudulent money and outright criminal wars based on Weapons of Mass Deception

    Choose your side!

    911 fraud
    Santa Claus
    NWO
    Dajjal-Anti Christ

    or

    Accountability as in Day of Judgement
    Heaven and Hell fire
    King of Kings, Judge of Judges, Creator of Heaven’s and Earth, Allah!

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