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A devastating investigative report was published in the Washington Post on December 9th. Dubbed the “Afghanistan Papers” in a nod to the Vietnam War’s famous “Pentagon Papers,” the report relied on thousands of documents to similarly expose how the US government at the presidential level across three administrations, acting in collaboration with the military brass and civilian bureaucracy, deliberately and systematically lied repeatedly to the public and media about the situation in Afghanistan. Officials from the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations have all surged additional troops into Afghanistan while also regularly overstating the “success” that the United States was attaining in stabilizing and democratizing the country. While they were lying, the senior officers and government officials understood clearly that the war was, in fact, unwinnable.

The story should have been featured all across the US as Afghanistan continues to kill Americans and much larger numbers of Afghans while also draining billions of dollars from the United States Treasury, but the mainstream media was largely unresponsive, preferring to cover the impeachment saga. Rather more responsive were the families of Army Chief Warrant Officer Second Class David C. Knadle, 33, of Tarrant, Texas, and Chief Warrant Officer Second Class Kirk T. Fuchigami Jr., 25, of Keaau, Hawaii. Both were killed in a helicopter crash on November 20th in Afghanistan’s Logar province while assisting troops on the ground, according to a Pentagon press release. They were participating in what was characteristically dubbed Operation Freedom’s Sentinel. Both men were assigned to the 1st Battalion, 227th Aviation Regiment, 1st Air Cavalry Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division in Fort Hood, Texas. The Taliban took credit for the downing of the chopper, but the Army is still investigating the cause.

Knadle and Fuchigami are only the most recent of the more than 2,400 American service members who have been killed in Afghanistan since October 2001, together with 20,589 wounded and an estimated 110,000 Afghan dead. In the wake of the Post’s report, Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers in 1974, told a CNN reporter that the Pentagon and Afghanistan Papers exposed the same governmental dysfunction: “The presidents and the generals had a pretty realistic view of what they were up against, which they did not want to admit to the American people.”

The New Republic observes how “The documents are an indictment not only of one aspect of American foreign policy, but also of the US’s entire policymaking apparatus. They reveal a bipartisan consensus to lie about what was actually happening in Afghanistan: chronic waste and chronic corruption, one ill-conceived development scheme after another, resulting in a near-unmitigated failure to bring peace and prosperity to the country. Both parties had reason to engage in the cover-up. For the Bush administration, Afghanistan was a key component in the war on terror. For the Obama administration, Afghanistan was the ‘good war’ that stood in contrast to the nightmare in Iraq.”

The Afghan War’s true costs have never been precisely calculated, though they certainly exceed $1 trillion and counting. The documents relied upon for the Post report include more than 2,000 pages of confidential interviews with people who played a direct role in the war, including soldiers and diplomats, as well as civilian aid workers and Afghan officials. Many of the interviews were initially carried out by the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR). The Post divided the interviews and supporting documentation into subject categories that demonstrate how the situation in Afghanistan began to deteriorate as soon as the United States followed up on its rapid invasion with a plan for nation building. Resorting to the usual American expedient, the occupiers flooded the country with money, which meant that the only thing blooming on the thin soil was corruption, apart from the poppies that have made Afghanistan the world’s leading supplier of opium.

One contractor who was involved in nation building described how he was required to spend $3 million daily for projects in an Afghan district roughly the size of a US county. He asked a visiting congressman if he could be authorized to spend that much money in the US “[The lawmaker] said hell no. ‘Well, sir, that’s what you just obligated us to spend and I’m doing it for communities that live in mud huts with no windows.’ ”

In another interview the report cites Lieutenant General Douglas Lute, the White House Afghan war czar during the Bush and Obama administrations, who told the interviewers in 2015. “We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” later adding “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.”

Army Colonel Bob Crowley, who served in Kabul in 2013-4, described how at headquarters “Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” adding also how “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

Part of the problem with Afghanistan was the rotation of American soldiers in and then out after one year or less, just as they were learning about the country and the problems they faced. It has led to the joke that the United States has not fought an eighteen-year war in Afghanistan: it has fought a one-year war eighteen times.

The Post investigative report coincides with an interesting deconstruction of the US military and how it operates. David Swanson of World BEYOND War provides a lengthy review of West Point Professor Tim Bakken’s new book The Cost of Loyalty: Dishonesty, Hubris, and Failure in the US Military. Per Swanson, the book “traces a path of corruption, barbarism, violence, and unaccountability that makes its way from the United States’ military academies (West Point, Annapolis, Colorado Springs) to the top ranks of the US military and US governmental policy, and from there into a broader US culture that, in turn, supports the subculture of the military and its leaders. The US Congress and presidents have ceded tremendous power to generals. The State Department and even the US Institute of Peace are subservient to the military. The corporate media and the public help maintain this arrangement with their eagerness to denounce anyone who opposes the generals. Even opposing giving free weapons to Ukraine is now quasi-treasonous.”

Bakken even disputes the widely held view that the military academies have high academic standards. He describes how the “system” pays to get potential athletes and accepts students nominated by congressmen commensurate with donations made to fund re-election campaigns. Swanson sums it up by observing how the academies offer “a community college-level education only with more hazing, violence, and tamping down of curiosity. West Point takes soldiers and declares them to be professors, which works roughly as well as declaring them to be relief workers or nation builders or peace keepers. The school parks ambulances nearby in preparation for violent rituals. Boxing is a required subject. Women are five times more likely to be sexually assaulted at the three military academies than at other US universities.”

Bakken concludes that appreciating the fundamental structural flaws in the US armed forces “leads to a clearer understanding of the deficiencies in the military and how America can lose wars.” In fact, he does not even seek to identify a war that the United States has won since World War 2 in spite of the country being nearly constantly engaged in conflict.

Together the Bakken book and the Afghanistan Papers reveal just how much the American people have been brainwashed by their leaders into believing a perpetual warfare national narrative that is more fiction than fact. Donald Trump may have actually appreciated that the voters were tired of the wars and was elected on that basis, but he has completely failed to deliver on his promise to retrench. It suggests that America will remain in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future and the inevitable next war, wherever it might be, will be another failure, no matter who is elected in 2020.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. bob sykes says:

    The testimony of LtC Vindman should give everyone pause. He testified that in his opinion the President had no authority to set foreign policy. By implication he denies the legitimacy of elections and the authority of all elected officials.

    He would not have said those things in public, if they were not the common opinion of most of the military and civilian bureaucracy. He and his unelected colleagues are in a state of mutiny against the elected government. How long before they decide to dispense with elected officials all together?

  2. RVBlake says:

    I beg to differ. We taught Grenada a lesson they’ll not soon forget.

    • Agree: Old and grumpy
    • LOL: Z-man, Charlemagne
  3. barr says:

    One contractor who was involved in nation building described how he was required to spend $3 million daily for projects in an Afghan district roughly the size of a US county. He asked a visiting congressman if he could be authorized to spend that much money in the US “[The lawmaker] said hell no. ‘Well, sir, that’s what you just obligated us to spend and I’m doing it for communities that live in mud huts with no windows.’ ”

    They did not spend on Afghanistan . They spent on themselves – 1 by paying for food, residence and security and janitorial services . Food , security and janitorial services were supplied by US vendors taking 99 % and giving 1 % to locals , rent was marked up by US ‘s apartment.com or kabulhut.com or something like that . The project money did not go to any road construction , building plannings ,computer distribution center ,software education or medicines or clothes .When the money went ,the cost was marked up by 1000 times and the “profit ” was pocketed by US companies They recycled the money to US banks. In the process they threw some crumbs by US standards to Kabul politicians but unimaginable amount by Kabul standard .

    • Agree: Alfred, L.K
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Bill Jones
  4. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    [Both parties had reason to engage in the cover-up. For the Bush administration, Afghanistan was a key component in the war on terror. For the Obama administration, Afghanistan was the ‘good war’ that stood in contrast to the nightmare in Iraq.”]

    Fuck Obama and all the criminal ‘presidents’ who staged 9/11 to invade Afghanistan and beyond. Even NATO General Clark who has more honesty to revealed the criminal PLAN designed by US and Israel and Jewish tribe based on LIES and DECEPTION to bring American dummies on board.

    Afghanistan was not responsible for 9/11 because 9/11 was designed and implemented by Bush regime , USG that you worked for and still do by spreading the FAKE story of 9/11 constructed by criminal American regime and Jewish mass murderers, the laughable story of ‘ Nineteen Arab men with box cutting knives’ which is ONLY good for dumb and ignorant Americans.

    [The Afghan War’s true costs have never been precisely calculated, though they certainly exceed $1 trillion and counting.]

    Why is that you are always talking about the money these mass murderers spend in order to invade, kill, rape and rob? Do you, or your criminal system talk about how much a thief or mass murderer or rapist has spent in order to kill, rape or rob when they are arrested and put on trial.

    It is disgusting to read these line. US regimes run by the criminal Jews are mass murderers who designed and implemented their plan for hegemony through destabilization and stealing the resources of the targeted countries. You don’t spend money, you steal. The Opium is USG run business. USG rob Iraq oil money, where still continues, Syrian oil money. US regime rob Iraqis, Afghans, and other people in the region so Israel and the criminal Jewish tribe.

    Iraq museum and libraries were ROB by US and Israel, where later some of the stolen goods where found the United states in a new ‘museum’. You rob Iranians from their livelihood and ICC a whore house is silent. ICC is a criminal western and zionist tool against the rest, where should be BOMBED and its ‘judges’ whore and pimps must be put on trial and executed, so the criminal occupants of WH, Senate, and Congress.
    Stop talking about the ‘cost’, and ‘lives of war criminals’ you call soldiers. They are mass murderers
    Why do they go?

    It is time that you get lost from the region and bring you the criminals to justices if there is one.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Curmudgeon
    , @Youvebeenhad
  5. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    Assad Sends Warning to US Forces in Syria. The Looting of Syria’s Oilfields

    [The US-led coalition is selling oil looted at oilfields in southern Deir Ezzor to Turkey, Syrian President Bashar Assad said in an interview with China’s Phoenix Television. Assad said that “the Turkish regime plays a direct part in selling the oil, previously with Jabhat al-Nusra, later with ISIS and today with the Americans.” The President said that there are no prospects for the US presence in the country and if US troops remain, they will face a popular resistance and “pay the price”.]

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-assad-sends-warning-us-forces-syria/5698114

    Trump, a criminal Jewish mafia servant, is a THIEF and terrorist. The people of the region should force these terrorists out of the region. Every option should be available to these victims, including execution. These criminals, thieves and invaders have killed millions, millions, millions of people and made millions more as refugees. The staged 9/11 by US and Israel to wage war, has COST the VICTIM in BILLIONS. Iran is under economic sanction which is a WAR against Iranian people, has been intensified by CRIMINAL Trump and his Jewish mafia ‘advisers’.

    Trump is KILLING Iranian people by targeting their FOOD and MEDICINE delivery. Yet, the dummies in the US are silent and are shopping for ‘chrismas’.

    The Trump family with no shame is buying more lip sticks to put on to hide their ugly and criminal faces so Adam Schiff, Soros manager, Pelosi the fool with her ugly necklaces. All married into criminal Jewish Tribe.

    It is the time that people of the region DO EXACTLY the same and remove these criminal thieves and baby killers by force out of the region.

    It is surprising that people who claim are fighting against the criminal tribe and its stooge, Trump, are willing to ‘vote’ for the same criminal thief and terrorist, again.

    Only dummies NEVER learn. Only criminal who benefits from mass murdering of Muslims and other group never bother to think, because their morality is $$$$ and nothing else. They will kill their own parents if it is profitable, like Trump himself.

    • Troll: Chris Mallory
    • Replies: @anonymous
  6. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    The latest news show that the zionist WHORE, Angela Merkel, has listened to her master pimps and is going to BAN Hizbullah activities, mainly to inform the Western public about how Palestine was stolen and how the indigenous population, Palestinians, were murdered with the Western countries US – Britain – Russia help and cover up.

    The ‘Quds Day’ is very effective in terms of educating the ignorant Western public on Palestine, to bring the victim’s voice the Jewish propaganda Machine and the criminal Western propaganda LIES to continue their CRIMES against humanity and Jewish criminal rule.

    [German Parliament Calls for Full Ban of Hezbollah Activities

    Germany’s parliament passed a resolution Thursday calling for a national ban on the activities of Hezbollah and for the Lebanese militant group to be put on the European Union’s terrorist list.

    Mathias Middelberg, the spokesman for Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives in parliament, said the joint resolution was agreed upon with the junior coalition Social Democrats, as well as the opposition Free Democrats.

    “It is unacceptable that Hezbollah is waging a terrorist fight against Israel in the Middle East, which is being financed through worldwide criminal activities, among other things,” he said in a statement. “In view of Germany’s special responsibility toward Israel, we call on the government to ban all activities for Hezbollah in Germany.”]

    https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/12/19/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-hezbollah-ban.html

    Only the fairy Tale, the ‘hollowcos’ is allowed. Only the Jewish tale is allowed to Brainwash the public.
    It is everyone’s duty to expose these criminals and continue to boycott the Jewish Tribe and its pimps and whores who are out law even the non violent activities like BDS. These criminals are afraid, they know that they are criminals and you are right. That’s why they want to stop you to keep their own position in the zionist controlled hell.
    Target their PRODUCT. Every penny counts. Expose them all over the world. Organize to topple these mass murderers.
    No one should stopped her/his activities because few pimps are forced to ban freedom of speech. Create a FRONT against these criminals. and burn down their proposals and laws by ignoring these illegal dictates.

  7. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Chris Mallory

    Are you a member of those criminals who served in Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere. Or one of those who still thinks the pathological liar and Jewish mafia servant is going to bring ‘troops home’.
    Only gullible people believe a Jewish mafia member will ‘deliver’.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  8. Rebel0007 says:

    How can congress and the president not rely on Generals in the field in remote war torn regions? I would absolutely love to send congress and the president to these battle fields for the sake of national security! Sounds absolutely splendid! Of course just a week or so wouldn’t do the trick, they would be required to spend months if not years investigating, to make sure that funds and resources are being efficiently appropriated!

    Corruption is always rewarded in America, and punishing honesty is becoming more and more common!

    It is not only the military that is failing, but all of America!

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  9. The war against Afghanistan was started – supposedly – to catch Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network, because they had – supposedly – done 9/11.

    It was all lies, from beginning to end. Bush purposefully let Osama Bin Laden escape to Pakistan in December 2001 at Tora Bora – supposedly – and Obama – supposedly – finally killed him ten years later.

    It’s now been nearly 20 years since 9/11.

    Americans were too cowardly to call bullshit on 9/11, so here were are.

    • Replies: @Neo-Socratic
    , @Desert Fox
  10. Biff says:

    “What the people want doesn’t matter”

    Dick Cheney

  11. A123 says:

    The Afghanistan Fiasco and the Decline and Fall of the RUSSIAN Military

    Let us remember the fall of Russian military power in Afghanistan: (1)

    Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, invasion of Afghanistan in late December 1979 by troops from the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union intervened in support of the Afghan communist government in its conflict with anti-communist Muslim guerrillas during the Afghan War (1978–92) and remained in Afghanistan until mid-February 1989.

    Is it not clear that the RUSSIAN Military “Declined and Fell” in Afghanistan? Limited numbers of poorly armed and poorly trained locals routed the might of the RUSSIAN Military machine at every turn.
    ______

    Rationality, Objectivity, and Afghanistan

    Instead of histrionic language such as “Decline and Fall” would it not be better to use rational analysis? Let us pose two equivalent and more objective questions:

    -1- Will RUSSIA ever recover from the treatment they received at the hands of Afghanistan’s troops?
    -2- Will the U.S ever recover from their failures in Afghanistan?

    These two objective questions share a common answer. Christian (Orthodox) Russian troops and Christian (Protestant) U.S. troops had functionally identical experiences with the anti-Christian jihadi population of Afghanistan. In the long term, global opioid production and its associated criminal activity could not be controlled by either Christian force. The U.S. spent vastly more cash, however its economy is 10x larger than Russia.

    Afghanistan is a landlocked nation with no ability to project force. While both the Russians and the U.S. withdrew, neither suffered anything that can be objectively described as “Declined or Fell”.

    The facts support one conclusion that can be reached with objective certainty.

    Russian and U.S. military outcomes in Afghanistan were effectively identical.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.britannica.com/event/Soviet-invasion-of-Afghanistan

  12. @Rebel0007

    I would absolutely love to send congress and the president to these battle fields for the sake of national security!

    Also include the higher echelons of the Military [all branches] to obligatory send a very close family member [aged 18 through 34] to the front lines and see if the hunger for war diminishes or not…

    • Replies: @anon
  13. The Afghanistan Fiasco and the Decline and Fall of the American Military

    But…, but…, but.., Mr. Giraldi, does this mean Occupied Palestine now has to take on Eyeran all on its own?

  14. anonymous[808] • Disclaimer says:

    Other countries have spent the last eighteen years spending their money on modernizing industry, infrastructure, manufacturing, etc, while the US has wasted billions upon billions on shooting off fireworks in Afghanistan. The taxpayers have not gotten any benefit from their money. Many of those over twenty thousand wounded are in terrible shape: burn victims, blinded, paralyzed, amputees, mental breakdowns, etc. They certainly must regret the day they joined up. Of course the original story that Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11 is also suspect. He may have just been the scapegoat and also may have died early on, his later assassination being something staged. They sure buried him awfully fast, supposedly. Then of course the official 9-11 story is full of holes and obviously a fraud to anyone who’ll bother to take the time to look. Everything connected to this Afghan invasion is a lie from start to finish. And that’s besides the gross incompetence and stupidity on display here. All this really boggles the mind.

  15. We cannot leave Afghanistan, since if we leave, it will immediately become apparent that we lost — the Taliban will take over again.

    Can’t have that. So we stay. We can afford to stay, so we stay. That way, we don’t have to admit we’ve lost.

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  16. Rebel0007 says:

    @Daniel Rich

    Daniel Rich,
    I will absolutely second your motion to have the upper echelons of the military bring a family member between the ages of 18-35 to fight on the front lines! Other people’s money and other people’s lives on the line is the problem!

  17. @RVBlake

    And don’t forget Haiti, a country that still receives the unforgettable lessons you allude to, not to mention mighty Panama, the Dominican Republic, Cuba, Honduras, Iraq, Syria, Libya and Bolivia.

  18. Miro23 says:

    The US Congress and presidents have ceded tremendous power to generals. The State Department and even the US Institute of Peace are subservient to the military. The corporate media and the public help maintain this arrangement with their eagerness to denounce anyone who opposes the generals.

    Interesting that it’s now the military and the generals that start ME wars – as if the US Zionists were unwillingly dragged in there. I didn’t know that America’s MSM was owned and run by the US military, or that the US military is secretly angling for the next ME war (Iran).

    One way to interpret this, is that the Iran war is closer than we think, and the WaPo is doing its job in setting up the US military as some sort of independent “rogue” organization to take the blame for it.

  19. …deliberately and systematically lied repeatedly to the public and media about the situation in Afghanistan. Officials from the Bush, Obama and Trump administrations…

    Now that surely can’t be newsworthy. Successive US governments have thrived on a staple of unadulterated lies to the extent that a few sporadic truths are more likely to raise eyebrows than the serial lies we have been forced to get accustomed to. And the bulk of the public, with their goldfish sized attention spans continues to be primed by our “free press” into swallowing the lies wholesale. They simply do not want to be distracted from the more pressing matters of going to the malls, watching football, baseball and basketball games, playing with electronic gadgets and — time permitting — watching the impeachment circus. I still have trouble of discovering any other nation in this day and age whose public is as thoroughly screwed by our government in concert with the Main Shit Media as ours is.

    • Replies: @Amon
  20. @BannedHipster

    Americans were too cowardly to call bullshit on 9/11, so here were are.

    The so called “intellectual class” in America are the most cowardly, effeminate wimps in the history of mankind.

    They are the ones who failed us.

    • Agree: Moi, Druid
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @lavoisier
  21. more than 2,400 American service members who have been killed in Afghanistan since October 2001

    In a way, the problem is the low casualties. 2,400 over 18 yrs is puny. If the death rates were much higher, the US would have left already.
    But with a just a handful dying every year, the US carries on with what is more an Occupation than a War.

    It’s about time to call it the Afghan Occupation.

  22. AWM says:

    Many of us know personally a dozen or more men and women who have “served” in Afghanistan and/or Iraq. Many of these individuals have made their opinions and observations perfectly clear.

    It’s a clusterfuck, and so many are getting rich off the money laundering and/or the drug trade that we will never get out.
    One thing many vets didn’t get is what was the deal with the Russians, don’t they know how to run a “fake war.”

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  23. Smith says:

    The fall and decline of the American military empire is more due to how it’s run and led (not for its own interest but for jewish interests) and the racial/demographic destruction among the troop (which leads to feeling of alienation and lack of loyalty due to not having any national identity to be proud of) than any military defeat.

    The most obvious example of this decline was the decline of the Roman legion in late West roman empire where roman citizenship were handed out like candies and the ethnic romans in turn get protected by germanic foederati against germanic and hunnic invaders. As always the weak gets weed out, this fact transcends politics.

  24. I can only think of one response that is appropriate, however cliche’

    “Told you so.”

    Dealing with the issue of the 9/11 actors fine, invasion as the mechanism for doing so coupled with regime change — strategically unsound, minus a full war scenario, totally unsound.

  25. Dumbo says:

    I don’t understand why the US is in Afghanistan and spending money like water there, except it being related to poppy fields. The whole OBL thing was a dumb excuse and he was Saudi anyway.

    The problem of Afghanistan is that is so fucked up that you can’t even “bomb it back to the Stone Age”, it’s already in the stone age. There’s no difference between “winning” and “losing” there. Actually you only lose.

    I thought that all knew by now the two main rules of empire-building:

    1. Never try to invade Russia in winter
    2. Never invade Afghanistan

  26. GMC says:

    Afghanistan = Ground Zero for poppies/heroin and rare earth minerals and a geo-political location. Period.

  27. JackOH says:

    Phil, thanks for your contribution here. Please keep it up. Someone has to pay attention.

    I served. USMC, H & MS-32, MAG-32, Cherry Point, NC in the mid-1970s.

    Count me among the Americans who are very distressed about our military adventurism that covers for corporate rackets. If my memory is correct, Willy Brandt, when mayor of Berlin, on the advice of his political counselors, asked President Kennedy for a bloody hospital when Kennedy went to Berlin for that famous speech. So you’ve got a country that’s done some serious medical work in research and distribution begging an American President for a hospital? Fuck all.

    • Replies: @Patrikios Stetsonis
  28. gotmituns says:

    Decline and fall of US military
    ——————————————————
    Actually, during WW2, any time the sides were equally matched, the German infantry, arty and tanks kicked the living sh*t out of our guys. What won it for us was the Russians and logistics. Gem Rommel said [every time we destroyed ten American tanks, they always had eleven].

    As far as this Afghan thing goes same thing, it’s all about contracts and orders and moving inventory – logistics. Who cares about “winning” or “losing?” The idea is to keep the “war” going.

    • Disagree: Rich
  29. John Random says: • Website

    Great book on Afghanistan from a soldier on the ground:

  30. lavoisier says: • Website
    @bob sykes

    He would not have said those things in public, if they were not the common opinion of most of the military and civilian bureaucracy. He and his unelected colleagues are in a state of mutiny against the elected government. How long before they decide to dispense with elected officials all together?

    While I am not much in favor of a police state, it is very difficult for a thoughtful person to see our currently constituted government as “legitimate” in any meaningful sense. Given their treachery and corruption, our government is every bit as illegitimate as would be a military government that took power by force.

  31. Bert says:

    A thoughtless, macho culture is a natural consequence of the personality type most common among those attracted to military service. A couple of anecdotes.

    In the mid-1960’s my draft board sent me for a pre-induction physical for which we cannon-fodder spent the night on a military base. It was impossible to sleep because of the whooping and hollering of about 20 percent of the examinees/inductees. They were excited at the prospect of violent adventure. A true professional warrior, and certainly a professional military organization, should be devoid of any attraction to violence.

    Thirty years later I was cooking my supper in a National Forest campground. A neighboring camper came over and started talking. Within a couple of minutes he was telling me about his son who was a specialist in some technical field in the military. The son was on detached duty and was sleeping when three members of the 82nd Airborne came in drunk. They woke the kid up and beat the hell out of him for no reason other than blood lust. The young man never recovered full cognitive function.

    The U.S. military will not be what it should until pre-induction psychological testing can select for induction only those individuals whose personalities thread the needle between an aversion to taking lives and a joy in it.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
    , @joe tentpeg
  32. The solution to this problem is very simple.

    Arrest, as enemy combatants, all these Jews that they ruin your country (USA) financially, politically morally, etc. and bomb to dust their shithole, in South-West Asia and sit back and enjoy to see them running for cover, calling Hitler to get out of his grave to save them.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  33. Realist says:

    The Afghanistan Fiasco and the Decline and Fall of the American Military

    The Afghanistan fiasco is abhorrent…the fall of the American military is a blessing.

  34. Moi says:
    @anonymous

    When Americans and Israel work together, moral corruption and violence against Muslims follows. But the good Lord works in mysterious ways and we, supposedly the most Christian of countries in the western world, is going down the proverbial tube fast.

  35. Moi says:
    @anonymous

    Germany, along with many others, is firmly ensconced up the Jewish butt.

  36. Moi says:
    @Neo-Socratic

    Much as I appreciate PG’s writing, I wonder why he and others always note the number of American deaths first. Hell, we are in THEIR country killing THEM by the thousands–and for what???

    Shame on us (albeit we have no sense of shame or dignity).

  37. theMann says:
    @bob sykes

    Any form of government is 100% dependent on taxes for sustenance.

    1. Prolonged general strike with no income taxes coming in, the system collapses.

    2. “Terrorists” strike at the Fed, IRS, Customs etc, the system collapses.

    3. Open ended obligations force money printing until the currency value goes to zero (where we are headed now) the system collapses.

    I can guarantee you our future form of Government: CHAOS.

    • Replies: @Svevlad
  38. I’ve come to the conclusion that there is one reason only that we are in Afghanistan, and its the only reason we have stayed there. Afghanistan is the largest producer of Opium. The Opiod epidemic has largely coincided with our involvement in that country. US intelligence (mostly the CIA) is likely behind it all, and uses it as a source of funding. There is precedence for this.

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  39. geokat62 says:

    “We were devoid of a fundamental understanding of Afghanistan — we didn’t know what we were doing,” later adding “What are we trying to do here? We didn’t have the foggiest notion of what we were undertaking.

    I disagree. The political and military planners knew exactly what they were doing:

    Step 1. Invade Afghanistan (in 2001)
    Step 2. Invade Iraq (in 2003)
    Step 3. Invade Iran (in TBD)

    For those who are unaware, Iran lies smack dab in the middle of Afghanistan and Iraq.

  40. Walter says:

    Swanson is not the first guy to notice…

    see> Will the Pentagon Be the Next U.S. Institution to Crash? (William Pfaff)

    @ https://www.truthdig.com/articles/will-the-pentagon-be-the-next-u-s-institution-to-crash/

  41. @JackOH

    You serve back in Vietnam and still don’t know WHO sent you to “serve”?
    This is where is Americas problem.
    My friend IT IS NOT the “military adventurism that covers for corporate rackets”.
    Military adventurism covers israels and Jew needs.

    “They send others to fight and die for them” assure us the Prime Minister of Malaysia

  42. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @barr

    I just read, I believe at Russia Insider, that the military spends $20 billion for air conditioning its vacation safari tents in the ME, and that’s each year. Way back when I was in the field in Vietnam we’d go into base camp now and then and be treated like sh*t by the basecamp commandos who made up some 90% of the Americans who went to Vietnam. The Stars and Stripes itself pointed out that not more than 10% of Americans actually served in the field and could be considered combat troops. Is it any different today? According to Fox News, yesterday’s baby killers are now heroes because they put on the uniform for Israel this time around. The idea it’s to protect some surveillance state called the “Homeland” would be laughable except it’s resulted in the incineration of innocents by the tens of thousands to achieve the Yinon Plan.

    Anyway, it’s obvious today’s basecamp commandos like yesterday’s become effeminized pumping iron at the air-conditioned gym and are no fighting men. The idea of women, open homos, and especially transgenders in combat or close support units is preposterous and proves the Pentagon is f*cking with the lives and minds of its own troops. Adding insult to injury, women, homos, and transgenders are not only actively recruited, but promised unmerited preferment over actual fighting men for political reasons, sacrificing lives for politics.

    WTF are the deplorables in flyover country waiting for? An invasion of their home town? It’s coming because if the Pentagon places political correctness ahead of the lives and safety of its actual combat units, it would have no compunction firing on Americans. One of the greatest American tragedies is that patriotic American families still send their sons and some daughters to die and be maimed under the command of costumed bureaucrats they tragically mistake for warrior patriots like themselves. Look at this Vindman freak or the likes of the ghoulish Fiona Hill our brass bow and scrape before.

    Another outrage is Fox News’ pushing this Wounded Warrior Project so that the lower middle class can pay for the rehabilitation of their own sons and some daughters who were maimed largely due to Fox News’ constant drum beat of phony flag-waving jingoism to recruit our young to serve so good Jewish boys from Israel need not. In fact, it’s deja vu all over again but doubly so since Jews are the group least likely to have worn our uniform in time of war, and this time these wars are being fought to serve only Israel.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Rurik
  43. All of this goes back to Perle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, Clean Break, PNAC, and regime changes for israel.

    Wars in the ME are for israel, period.

    Not oil, not drugs…….israel.

    Killing muslims is good for the jews. Terrorism is good for the jews because it creates sympathy for israel, justifies the police state, targets Christians, weakens western nations, causes destabilization in the ME to make israel stronger.

    Once you understand that the jews have particular interests and what those goals are, then everything begins to make sense. If you don’t understand what the jews want, NONE of it makes any sense at all, because everything that happens is detrimental to white Christian people. When you wake up you see that white Christian people are not in control of ANYTHING……jews run the show. Look at super cuck Trump…..giving the hebes everything he can think of……and they STILL hate him. He’s probably thinking about making war with Iran just to get the nose off his back.

  44. @anonymous

    Germany has been a Zionist(communist)occupied hell hole since it lost its legitimate government post WWII.

  45. @barr

    You perfectly described the purpose and process of the US’s wars.

    The wars will continue until somebody creates a mechanism whereby peace becomes as efficient a mechanism as war for the theft of the taxpayers dollars.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  46. @Hapalong Cassidy

    Opium production is important see, for example : “Afghanistan and the CIA heroin ratline ” By Pepe Escobar , globalresearch.ca
    Oil is important also : “US planned war in Afghanistan before 9/11.” wsws.org
    Afghanistan is also important to Israel : “Israel spying on Iran from Afghanistan ” -Jerusalem Post jpost.com

    • Disagree: Robert Dolan
  47. Not oil, not drugs.

    See “The Israel Lobby” by Mearsheimer and Walt, the definitive work on this topic. They totally debunk the war for oil narrative.

    Ask “who benefits,” and that’s how you find the answers to unravel geopolitical events.

    Look who screeches when Trump talks about bringing troops home….and it’s not Pepe Escobar or Chevron.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @9/11 Inside job
  48. @anonymous

    Nope. But anyone who is gutless enough to post as anonymous, writes a multi paragraph wall of text, and randomly uses all caps is a troll. Some of what you said is true. Much of it was total and complete bullshit.

    Now man up, use a name and post your manifestos on your own website.

  49. Onebornfree says: • Website

    P. Geraldi says: “ the US government at the presidential level across three administrations, acting in collaboration with the military brass and civilian bureaucracy, deliberately and systematically lied repeatedly to the public and media about the situation in Afghanistan.”

    Kerrrrrrrr…ist! Whodathunkit! I mean, you cannot be serious!

    The Government and all of it’s ever growing gang of sycophantic scum living off of the stolen loot, have lied to us all? Yet again?

    Come on- Can’t be true- or, if true it must be an extremely isolated aberration, surely the whole system cannot be doing exactly the same thing on a second by second, minute by minute, day to day basis, as part of some evil, gigantic, “legal” extortion racket? No, no, no, say it isn’t so!

    Of course, all “we”need to do to correct such a small,petty, minor, accidental aberration and ensure it never happens again is to elect some new people who promise to “drain the swamp” [by enlarging it], spend more money on all warfare/welfare programs [and invent new ones too,to boot], make many new laws, and increase government spending across the board. That oughta fix it 😂

    And yet:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Any number of scoundrels, having money enough to start with, can establish themselves as a ‘government’; because, with money, they can hire soldiers, and with soldiers extort more money; and also compel general obedience to their will.” Lysander Spooner

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert Lefevere

    “Regards” onebornfree

  50. KenH says:

    but he has completely failed to deliver on his promise to retrench

    President Trump has quickly become part of the problem. We’re three years into his presidency and still no plan to completely withdraw from Afghanistan. Trump rails against “these stupid wars” and publicly removes a small number of troops from Syria while quietly increasing troop levels in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Now he wants to withdraw troops from Afghanistan but is liable to change his mind after a meeting with concerned, long faced Senators like McConnell, Grahamnesty and Cruz.

    At least the Soviets had the courage and common sense to admit a lost cause and get out at the ten year mark.

    We can heap opprobrium on the Taliban and other Islamic militants but at least they lead from the front in most cases whereas the geriatrics of the American military lead from way, way in the back before riding off into the sunset as board members at Lockheed, Raytheon, Boeing or a beltway think tank.

  51. Kapyong says:
    @Patrikios Stetsonis

    “Arrest, as enemy combatants, all these Jews that they ruin your country…”

    Really ?
    WHO is going to do that ?
    WHEN, exactly ?
    and HOW ?

    Endless posts about what needs to be done, but no chance it will actually happen.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  52. The reason the ZUS is in Afghanistan is the CIA and Mossad and MI6 drug business, where the majority of the worlds heroin is from and the CIA and Mossad and MI6 is in control of this drug business, that is why the ZUS is there!

  53. Onebornfree says: • Website

    James Corbett rips apart the MSM’S “exclusive” , “bombshell” “Afghanistan Papers”:

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @anOn
    , @ben sampson
  54. @bob sykes

    “[Vindman] would not have said those things in public, if they were not the common opinion of most of the military and civilian bureaucracy.”

    The validity of this assertion needs to be demonstrated. I don’t think it’s true. Vindman is an outlier in my view–certainly at his rank. Trump is actually rather popular among military personnel–at least white ones. And Ron Paul, with his anti-interventionist views, was, in his time, surprisingly popular. The notion of the military in a “state of mutiny” is absurd.

    Sure there are people who don’t like Trump the narcissistic draft dodger any more than they liked Clinton the narcissistic draft dodger. And there may have been some recalcitrance at the higher levels on withdrawing troops from Syria. But when Trump finally got around to ordering the withdrawal, the military quickly executed. The fact that a guy with the attention span of a child allowed himself to be swayed by Lindsay Graham and others into seizing control of Syrian oil cannot be laid at the doorstep of the military. And those who have argued relentlessly and dishonestly for getting into Syria and staying no-matter-what are not generals, much less the Vindmans of the world. They are neoconservative and Likudnik Jews–i.e., the ones who create the narrative that easily sways Trump and who fund him as well. In fact, Vindman may well be a junior member of this scheming network.

    Trump fired McMaster because the Likudniks for whom he is something of a sock puppet thought McMaster wasn’t aggressive enough on Iran. He pushed out Mattis for similar reasons. It’s amazing how easily the notion of a “deep state” within the government has taken root. What we actually have in the US is a very shallow state that is easily penetrated, co-opted and turned against itself by power centers outside the formal governance structure. The professionals of the diplomatic, intelligence and military communities have, in the past, been the primary obstacle to a full Likudization of American foreign policy, and now this “deep state” argument is being used to bulldoze opposition and alienate the president from the IC, foreign service and military. We see the results–starvation of Iran, acquiescence to the annexation of the Golan, embassy move to Jerusalem, acceptance of West Bank settlements and the supplanting of the tried and trusted Muhammed bin Nayif (MbN) by the odious and incompetent (but Israel-friendly) Mohammed bin Salman (MbS).

    Cui bono?

    I think someone like Comey and most of the other IC/LE bogeymen are more bumblers than plotters. The issue of the Steele documents and where in the UK they might lead is a legitimate one, but I don’t see the “deep state” in the US that is now being promoted by all sorts of unsavory, self-interested connivers.

  55. Rurik says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Look who screeches when Trump talks about bringing troops home….and it’s not Pepe Escobar or Chevron.

    I’d say it’s something like 97% Israel, and 3% drugs, oil (for Israel in the Golan Heights, but also for Dick Cheney and James Woolsey and other assorted goyim scum), and the MIC.

    We have to recognize that the greed of the MIC is quite real, and our congress-critters covet “defense” dollars in their districts, so it’s not 100% Israel, but very near to it.

    Were it not for Israel, I suppose the scumfucks at the MIC would still want to sabre-rattle at Russia, as a pretext to keeping their sinecures safe, but without the zios, there’d be none of these Eternal Wars for Israel, and that includes Afghanistan, which is on Iran’s border, with the intent of menacing Iran from all directions. The CIA’s heroin trafficking operations out of Afghanistan are just a nice bonus. And of course, that too serves Israel’s agenda, by polluting the souls of millions of Gentiles. Such a deal!

    In fact, if it weren’t for America’s slavish fealty to all things Israel, I bet we’d be paying a fraction of what Americans pays for a gallon of gas. How many Americans understood why there was an oil embargo in the seventies? Almost none, because the (((media))) and Nixon regime didn’t want them to know. So they didn’t, and don’t.

    97 to 98% for Israel, 2 – 3% assorted goyim scum. (in faith, it must be included in the 98% for Israel, the Christian Zionist goyim scum – just to point out that it’s not all Jewish supremacist scum. Lots of goyim scum to go around).

    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  56. @Colin Wright

    Yes, that’s true. Also, we fear the geopolitical ramifications of our departure. The Chinese will make hay, any potential access to Central Asia will be foreclosed, BRI will be facilitated, a China-Iran nexus will emerge, etc. Some of these are more plausible than others, but the fear of China looms behind the AFG policy debacle as well.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  57. @Robert Dolan

    It’s oil, drugs , Israel , the MIC and over a trillion dollars worth of minerals , Afghanistan ” has over 1400 mineral fields containing barite , chromium , gold , iron ore , etc .etc …”

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  58. @BannedHipster

    Bin Laden died on December 15, 2001 of kidney failure and is buried at Tora Bora and was on the CIA payroll up to and on the day of his death.

    911 was done by Israel and traitors in the ZUS government.

  59. Rebel0007 says:

    The wars, government and corporate involvement of Faked 9/11 attacks, the corruption, and the total insanity of America have left us with the slogan:

    NOPE 2020

    This rapacity and corruption will not be able to continue. Something will stop it. Not sure what it is, but I am about 80% confident that it will stop. I fear that it may be replaced by something even worse though, given the trajectory that we have been on, in other words, it seems doubtful that it will reverse its direction, but just decend further into fascism and economic disaster. I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt it!

    Are these policy makers in the war industry oblivious to reparations that have been paid to countries in the past? Maybe they just plan on taking the money, running to another country, and leaving us to foot their bill, like going to an extremely expensive restaraunt with a huge party, eating an 8 course meal and drinking the most expensive wine, and then just walking out without paying.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  60. If we can establish 911 was a fraudster orchestrated by USA and Israel then these wars are in vain. Americans who worship Santa Claus and think Jesus died for their evils will have a rude awakening. Not only will they pay a price in this world but the next as well. The Criminal Psychopath murderer’s will have a fiery hot suite next to Satan’s in hell fire.

  61. Rurik says:
    @Rebel0007

    Something will stop it. Not sure what it is, but I am about 80% confident that it will stop.

    the death of the dollar (federal reserve note), will stop it. And that’s the only thing that will stop it.

    As long as ((they)) can print and spend trillions at their whim, they’re going to call the shots.

    decend further into fascism and economic disaster. I hope that I am wrong, but I doubt it!

    you’re not wrong. With the death of the dollar- as the world’s reserve currency, the American economy will not just crash, but implode like building seven. Into its basement, at free-fall speed.

    The scumfucks will be flush with gold and passports for greener pastures, as America descends into an even deeper Orwellian police state horror show. Ron Paul was right about be careful for wishing for that wall, because it very well may be used to keep you in.

    The question is when will the dollar crash. Russia and China and India and Iran and many other countries are doing all they can to bring it about, and free the planet from the fiend.

    I bid them God speed. And pray for the good and decent working Americans that had no part in bringing all of this about, but who will surely pay the price.

    • Replies: @ANZ
    , @Tony
    , @annamaria
  62. @Robert Dolan

    It’s too late now. The parasite controls the host.

  63. Rebel0007 says:

    @Ruric

    Ruric,
    That was one of the scenarios that I considered, others being attacked by Russia or China after America would provacatively attack either one of them, or charges being filed against America at ICC, or perhaps some other derivatives related financial implosion, spured on by Deutsche Bank’s extreme insolvency in a domino effect.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  64. And Ron Unz keeps my comments on hold.

  65. What Giraldi fails to mention is that Obama was far worse than Trump on Afghanistan. There are the raw troop numbers — 77,000 under Obama in 2012, versus 12,000 now. He should mention that, but doesn’t.

    Obama also was the one who turned Afghanistan from a “let’s get Bin Laden” operation to a nation-building exercise. USAID expenditures in Afghanistan under President Zero more than doubled between 2007 and 2010. I guess some schools and hospitals got built. What a win for the American taxpayer. Of course the Washington deep state class loves this kind of pseudo-humanitarian stuff. They’ll give you a blank check for years if you just mouth the right cliches about girls needing a safe space to learn their multiplication tables, and how we should pay for it.

    Giraldi himself is on record for describing the Libya intervention as “humanitarian.” My hunch is back in 2010 he felt the same way about Obama dumping our tax dollars into this stone age society.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @By-tor
  66. @Robert Dolan

    Most people don’t bother to read.

    They probably don’t even know what PNAC is and the correlation with Thunderbolt’s recent push for a war with Iran.

    Other charge patterns are ‘antisemitic’ conspiracy theories.

    Project for the New American Century
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

  67. @Oscar Peterson

    ‘Yes, that’s true. Also, we fear the geopolitical ramifications of our departure….’

    On the bright side, with the possible exception of Botswana, it’s difficult to think of a less strategically vital region than Afghanistan.

    If we’re to grant that we really can’t control the entire globe, Afghanistan is an excellent choice for the ‘to drop’ list. It is, after all, literally on the other side of the planet. It’s landlocked. It has no natural resources that I’m aware of. Let it go. The Iranians and Pakistanis can fight over it.

    In fact, feeding it to the Iranians is an excellent idea. They’ll want to keep a lid on the Sunni crazies — and they’ve been quietly establishing their influence in the country whilst we’ve been spending all that money and getting nowhere. We can give it to them for Christmas. Your turn. Enjoy.

    • Replies: @FvS
    , @anonymous
    , @L.K
  68. @Bragadocious

    How anyone could call the ZUS intervention in Libya humanitarian is beyond comprehension, as the ZUS bombed them back to the stone age and did the same in Iraq and Syria and all of this for the greater Israel agenda.

    There is an interesting video on Russian troops entering Syria’s city of Raqqa that shows the destruction that the ZUS did to that city, can be seen on russia-insider.com.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  69. @Priss Factor

    @Priss Factor,

    “the US carries on with what is more an Occupation than a War.”

    Good insight. Given their lack of military capability, it was an occupation from the beginning.

    A bit ironic since, in 1978, we baited the USSR into the graveyard of empires on the advice of Zbigniew Brezinsky. Then, when the USSR left, we walked into our own trap. While all of our “military mis-adventures” are spun as “mistakes”, just remember that the U.S. invasion of Southwest Asia began in 1978, just a few years after April 23, 1975 when the U.S. abandoned its invasion of Southeast Asia.

    So the invasion of SW Asia began in 1978. Any explanation or excuse for the current wars in SW Asia after that date are superfluous.

  70. We must never forget that 9/11 was a psyop and the false flag attacks were used as a pretext to start the “War on terror ” and the invasion of Afghanistan . Trump is continuing the cover-up while knowing full well that pre-planted explosives brought down the Twin Towers and the rest of the World Trade Center Complex , including building #7 . For an unusual perspective on 9/11 see rebis : “Occult Significance of 911 “. steemit.com

  71. Rurik says:
    @Rebel0007

    charges being filed against America at ICC,

    that’s a lovely thought, but of course it ain’t going to happen. The ICC is no more than a modern-day Nuremberg court farce. To put the trappings of ‘respectability’ on the zio-pig’s serial atrocities, while demonizing the pig’s victims. (Serbia, for instance, ironically, like Germany before her).

    derivatives related financial implosion, spured on by Deutsche Bank’s extreme insolvency in a domino effect.

    That also sounds very good to me. Especially if it was the death knell of the dollar.

    The planet will never be free as long as the Fed reigns supreme. When the dollar dies, it will cause massive and manifest suffering, but it must happen. And the sooner, the better.

    The longer the Beast is able to bestride the planet as its undisputed master, the more it will do all it can to destroy any hope for its victims to survive its depredations.

    In fact, if the death of the dollar were imminent, and a reshuffling of the global power structure loomed, I think- knowing everything I know about these people, is the time I’d be most worried about a global Samson Option. At least especially for Europe and Russia and N. America and Oceana. The West, iow. There’s nothing on this earth they hate with such insane intensity than the people and culture and institutions of the West. In fact, that’s what the whole TDS is all about. Obama gave them tingles because his ascendancy as a black-nationalist commie to the apex of the Western power structure, was everything they get giddy about as a symbol of their triumph over Western civilization and its people. The trajectory was orgiastic for them. Many had been alive when Nixon was president, and even going back to the fifties, when White-opia was on every TV screen and magazine cover. We were going from Ozzie and Harriet to Homomania/Negromania at lightning speed. And then comes Trump. And all those Deplorable Nazis in their red fucking hats smiling and having hope again.

    This is why Adam Schiff’s eyes are popping out. This is why Nadler and so many of them are seething with rage.

    Trump is giving hope and happiness to Nazis!

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  72. @9/11 Inside job

    We’ve spent more than the trillion those minerals are worth years ago.

    • Replies: @anon
  73. @anonymous

    “Many of those over twenty thousand wounded are in terrible shape: burn victims, blinded, paralyzed, amputees, mental breakdowns, etc.”

    But Larry Silverstein got rich, so there’s that. Jews are pathologically devoid of empathy.

    Your quote really moved me, reminding me once again that the horrors of 9/11 extended for years past that time and place. As one wiser than I once said, ” I didn’t know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them.”

    • Replies: @Rurik
  74. anOn[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Onebornfree

    homeruntouchdownhattrick

    Very important post and information; thanks, Onebornfree

    Corbett succinctly autopsies The Bombshell Report (it’s worth noting that the SIGAR representative has appeared on C Span numerous times — the work of that agency and its annual complaint that billions of dollars are being wasted is not secret), then humbly offers his audience an equally important analysis by Kit Knightly in Off Guardian,

    The “Afghanistan Papers”: Deep State narrative management
    https://off-guardian.org/2019/12/15/the-afghanistan-papers-deep-state-narrative-management/

    One important notion I took away is that it’s not just Jews, it is something essential in the extra-Jewish American psyche —

    As much as this Forum engages in “da joos dunnit,” what we in USA have to take aboard to a soul-searing intensity is that it’s not just the Jews (though many influential Jews are entrenched in the vanguard), and it’s not even “Christian zionists”** who drive these policies: there is something fundamental in the USAian psyche — “our DNA” in today’s terms (“race” in the era of first half of 1900s) — that views mass slaughter of other people and the conquest of their lands, institutions, and culture, in order to rape their resources and assets, and impose their own version of ‘how everyone ought to live’ (I call this notion “Abrahamism”, the socio-spiritual foundation of the right-to-rule).

    These concepts are antithetical to the visions and hopes expressed in important writings of America’s founders Thomas Jefferson and George Washington among others.

    The concepts were are living under today are anti-American.

  75. @Rurik

    Agree, the zionist owned FED is the head of the snake for all the ZUS wars and debt and total control of America since 1913 and America will never be free until the FED is ended and America returns to the government creating debt free money as was the case prior to December 23, 1913.

    • Agree: Rurik, Kolya Krassotkin
  76. anarchyst says:
    @bob sykes

    Vindman is a Ukranian JEW who violated the “chain of command” by “speaking out” against his commander in chief.
    Since he is a jew, he will not be touched and will get away with his insubordinate, illegal behavior.
    Vindman cannot be trusted…

  77. renfro says:

    ”The New Republic observes how “The documents are an indictment not only of one aspect of American foreign policy, but also of the US’s entire policymaking apparatus.”

    but also of the US’s entire policymaking apparatus.”

    but also of the US’s entire policymaking apparatus.”

    Inscribe that on your brain. Our entire government system is FUBAR.
    Its not just one group or another group, its ALL of them…….and it ALL emanates from the CORRUPTION and INCOMPETENCE in CONGRESS and the WH.

    So, what do we do about it?

  78. @Onebornfree

    this video is seriously censored..why does this guy continue to use youtube..Corbin?
    I tried to work with it but it ultimately got to me. maybe I will try again later

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
  79. They could have asked the Russians why they pulled out?

  80. Rurik says:
    @Nancy Pelosi'a Latina Maid

    “Many of those over twenty thousand wounded are in terrible shape: burn victims, blinded, paralyzed, amputees, mental breakdowns, etc.”

    Gradually I began to hate them.”

    don’t forget the 20+ odd young people who come home and blow their brains out every day in the ZUS of A.

    Unable to live with the evils they perpetrated against innocent people in impoverished countries who’ve done nothing to us.

    It must be quite something to be so despondent that you’d take your own life, so bedeviled by your conscience that you simply can not live with what you were forced to participate in.

    But they don’t have that problem, do they? First off, it’s not them doing any actual fighting. And I don’t think they lose any sleep over slaughtered men, women and children, not when their holiest of holidays celebrates the wholesale slaughter of children.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  81. Currahee says:

    “Women are five times more likely to be sexually assaulted at the three military academies than at other US universities.”

    Women have no business being there except for supervised visitation.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  82. Rich says:

    The US has actually succeeded militarily in Afghanistan by any reasonable measure of war. The Taliban has been removed from power, stuck in the bush, only coming out to commit random acts of violence. Al Qaeda has lost its base and a friendly government sits in Kabul. The earth wasn’t salted and the people enslaved, but it looks like victory to me.

    There seems to be a lot of sour grapes out there from people who just want to see the US fall. I don’t see it anywhere on the horizon. The empire will expand for many more years. Until it doesn’t. I doubt a more benevolent superpower will follow

    • LOL: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @DanFromCT
    , @annamaria
  83. Giraldi promotes an alternative reality. The US is engaged in a never ending propaganda war aimed at her slaves. That’s the war that won’t end regardless of the rich people’s profits in Afghanistan with their rare metals mining and poppy fields.

    Giant mouthpieces like the Washington Post declare war and then announce the cease fire. Swanson sure sounds opposed to war but that’s only because the audience doesn’t understand how the war mongering morons hire the controlled opposition to begin with so war can continue without much fuss from the controlled, morally conflicted masses. As the lie goes now, every war happened because somebody lied about it, just ask military sponge Tulsi Gabbard.

  84. @anonymous

    9/11 was designed and implemented by Bush regime ,

    I suspect you are referring to Bush 43. If so, I suggest that you are off base. Bush 43 may have signed on for 9/11, but there is no way it could have been planned and executed in less than 9 months of his Presidency. The Israelis have owned US foreign policy for decades. The events of 9/11 and subsequent invasion of Afghanistan benefited the Zionists in the M-I-C and provided cover for Israel ramping up theft of occupied territories and be more aggressive toward Lebanon, Syria, and Iran. To (((their))) surprise, (((they))) got their asses kicked by Hezbollah when (((they))) invaded in 2006.

    Nobody benefited from 9/11 except Zionists, who always think long term. Look there for the design and implementation of 9/11.

    • Agree: annamaria
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @anonymous
  85. Republic says:
    @anOn

    That off guardian piece tells the story of the so called bombshell Washington Post report in a much more succinct fashion

    Deep state narrative management

    https://off-guardian.org/2019/12/15/the-afghanistan-papers-deep-state-narrative-management/

  86. 9/11 was likely more than 30 years in the making , see :” 9/11 predictive programming found in multiple areas of popular culture leading up to the September 11 attacks ” steemit.com

    • Replies: @anon
  87. @Desert Fox

    How anyone could call the ZUS intervention in Libya humanitarian is beyond comprehension

    It’s like I’ve been saying about Giraldi, when it comes to anti-interventionism he’s 100% fake news. Just make some quacking noises about how it’s to save the little brown children as Obama and Samantha Power did and Giraldi’s on board! Of course 10 years later he acts like he knew it was a big con, and he’s retroactively outraged. And he mentions Israel a lot, which gets the trained seals at Unz all worked up. (Although I notice he took great pains to not mention Israel in this column, which is odd)

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  88. I’m confused.
    18 years in Afghanistan= 18 years of C_A milking Afghanistan for heroin.

    Is it not obvious what is going on here?
    The U.S. citizen is getting stuck with a debt bill from this ‘WAR’ while private, DeepState interests make a killing on narcotics and deny China and Russia access to the economy of that neck of the woods.
    Afghanistan will develop the moment the Americans leave. There are resources to develop there but who would invest given the U.S. acting as ‘wreckers’?

    Trump is going to get a 2nd Term. Then he will take America to war. Where? Who knows. Could be Iran, Russia or China. The secret is to keep the people believing in the kabuki theatre of impeachment long enough to get a mandate in November, 2020.

    After that, I expect all hell to break loose. I don’t expect Trump to reform anything. What we are seeing is a Jewish Mafia War. Trump is on one side of it. The American people will get screwed because that’s what Jews do; destroy, steal, rape and pillage. Trump has made it so that the 1st Amendment is irrelevant. You will not be allowed to criticize Jews or Israel. Trump will allow Virginians guns to be taken away. He doesn’t believe in the U.S. Constitution. He believes in winning. He chose Jews over America for the last 3 years.
    Notice the media never evaluates all the goodies Trump has given the Jews?

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  89. Svevlad says:
    @theMann

    Yup. The entire concept is “okay, you give me a bit of your money, and I’ll make it worth your while”

    The US government is now making it less and less worth the taxpayers’s while.

    Ouch… That’s not good. That’s the sound of… global political eschaton.

  90. @Bragadocious

    I always suspect anyone who has been CIA and these CIA types are very careful of what they say about Israel and their buddies in the Mossad and MI6, ie the unholy trinity!

  91. dre says:
    @RVBlake

    they won’t admit defeat so what’s best keep lying.

  92. ANZ says:
    @Rurik

    The Fed’s role in all this warmongering and funding cannot be understated. All of this war spending is taken on through the “inflation tax,” which is nothing more than theft from anyone living in the U.S. or holding dollars. It is a luciferean way to promote death and destruction in order st further spread the dominion of the cabal that seeks to rule the world.

    If any one of the current clown in the race for presidency vowed to end the Fed, they almost assuredly have my vote. What could have been with a Ron Paul presidency for this stance alone.

    While the current seat of Zionist capital relies on the Fed dollar Jew buck to its heavy lifting, I’d like to remind everyone that the Fed is only a subsidiary. Specifically they are a subsidiary of the BIS, who is the one ring that rules them all.

    Who isn’t a part of the BIS system? The Iran and North Korea come to mind. Must be a cohencidence.

    • Agree: Rurik
  93. Truth3 says:

    Netanyahu He Knew…

    Netanyahu He Knew
    That The Fix Was In
    Get Red White & Blue
    To Afghan-ist-in

    [MORE]

    Bibi He Knew
    That Fateful Day
    When Planes They Flew
    With Towers in the Way

    Oh They All Knew
    Those NeoCon Skunks
    Because the Jews
    Needed Our Boots Not Bunks

    Yes Bibi He Knew
    That Those Towers Were Wired
    Tower One & Tower Two
    And # Seven So Tired

    Asbestos It Was
    That Secured Their Fate
    To Come Down Fast Because
    It’s Costly to Abate

    Yes Bibi He Knew
    Just What Was in Store
    To Create A Brand New
    False Flag Pearl Harb-Or

    Old Bastard Lucky Larry
    Breakfast Was His Routine
    But That Day? No Larry
    To Overlook Such a Scene

    They Say it’s A Jet
    The Pentagon Got Hit By
    But Don’t You Forget
    No Such Plane Can Fly

    Oh Bibi, He Knew
    That Cunning Old Goat
    How to Get You Know Who
    To Hang Saddam By The Throat

    Those Jews They Tell Lies
    With The Straightest Of Face
    While Over There Those Same Guys
    Are Shitting All Over The Place

    Netanyahu You Schmuck
    Your Axes You Grind
    You Jews Are Bad Luck
    To Hell With Your Kind

    Oh Yes Bibi Knew
    It’s Clear As The Day
    What Mossad Was Up To
    So Far Far Away

    Ten Countries The List
    That We’d Destroy For The Jew
    So Many Soldiers Were Pissed
    By What They Must Do

    (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Iran)

    Netanyahu He Knew
    How Many Innocents Would Die
    That Bloodthirsty Jew
    Master Of The Big Lie

    Blair Was His Tool
    In The UK and Then
    Bush Was His Fool
    Prez… American

    Netanyahu He Knew
    How To Bluster and Spin
    Writers Did What They Do
    Over Tonic & Gin

    They Wrote Up The Big Lie
    Playing Laptop Bombadier
    Those Real Bombs Then Fry
    Kids & Moms Who Knew Fear

    Oh The Bastard Bibi Knew
    And Said It Was Good
    For Israel & Jew
    Others Shedding Their Blood

    Now Physics Can’t Lie
    It’s All Plain If You Know
    Those Towers Were High
    And With Explosives Brought Low

    Just Go Away You Jews
    And Keep To Your Own
    We’ve Got The Hebe Blues
    And Want You Off Our Throne

    Better Watch Out You Pigs
    The Goyim They’ll Know
    And Shut Down Your Jigs
    Another Century? Hell No!

    So Bibi, He Knew
    Like All Of Them Did
    And We Still Ask Who?
    But You Know It’s The Yid

  94. Rebel0007 says:

    @Rurick

    Rurick,
    Do you think that maybe Deutsche Bank decided to end the dollar as the reserve currency by over-exposing itself to over $700 trillion in derivatives, which would have the domino effect of destrying the dollar, in most cases, I think, depending on a number of factors that I do not have accss to, but $700 trillion is just an extremely insane gamble.

    Not sure which TDS acronym you were referring to. There are too many.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Rurik
  95. Thank you Phil Giraldi for another nice piece. There are few more points to be added to your nice article.
    1. Anyone outside of military and policy makers could have asked the people of Afghanistan and or Iraq how is going a long time ago. Certainly the Americans wouldn’t have waited for the WP to inform them almost 2 decades later! Whether the war loving Americans would have believed it or not is another story.
    2. As you mentioned America hasn’t fight a war with a clear conclusion since WWII, war is not a boxing bout and winning a war doesn’t mean shit to me. All the wars in Korean Peninsula, Vietnam, Grenada, Lebanon, Iraq I, Afghanistan, Iraq II, Libya, have been initiated without a conviction and rational since the US military was hired to act as mercenaries in those far far places.
    3. These inconclusive and mercenary wars have been initiated by the MIC and many other interest groups in those far places, that are better be called weapons testing LABs, to further supporting the MIC financially and fulfilling of the interests of involved interest groups.
    4. The MIC and the interest groups really don’t give a rats ass about the life of others, suffering of the innocents or the tax$$!

  96. DanFromCT says:
    @Rich

    You’re kidding, right? Five hundred thousand innocent people in Syria dead and millions dispossessed. Tens of thousands of Arabs killed, many if not most incinerated from the air in stupefying barbarity not seen since the firebombing of Dresden and Hamburg. The evil is so great it defies comprehension, and you dare call any part of it a success? May you be extended the curtesy of being judged by your own standards when the time comes.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Rich
  97. A123 says:
    @Rebel0007

    Deutsche Bank decided to end the dollar as the reserve currency by over-exposing itself to over $700 trillion in derivatives, which would have the domino effect of destroying the dollar

    DB is a vassal of the Frankfurt based Euro Reich Central Bank. When ‘German Austerity’ economics destroys DB, it will destroy the Euro (€).

    The USD will be just fine. The introduction of ‘permanent ‘ negative € interest rates has caused all serious U.S. Financial Institutions to both hedge and speculate the Euro. It is no longer a question of, “Will the Euro fail?”. That is now 100% certain. All that remains is, ” How soon? And, how badly will the € collapse?

    PEACE 😇

  98. @Bert

    The U.S. military will not be what it should until pre-induction psychological testing can select for induction only those individuals whose personalities thread the needle between an aversion to taking lives and a joy in it.

    They’ve been lowering the bar to enroll their cannon fodder for at least 2 decades now [remember stopgap?], ain’t gonna happen.

  99. @DanFromCT

    Agree, see russia-insider.com video of Russian troops entering the city of Raqqa and the damage to the city compared to the bombing by US bombing of Dresden Germany!

  100. Rebel0007 says:

    @Rurick

    Rurick,
    My mistake. $700 trillion in world wide derivatives. Deutsche bank dumped $50 billion in equity derivatives off on Goldman Sachs, but Deutsche Bank had over $49 trillion in derivatives. From what I have read, most derivatives are for interest rates. Not a gambler, or an insider, so, just on what I’ve read.

  101. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @ben sampson

    Huh, I’ve had no trouble with it on YT.

    Anyhoo, to view, try his homepage : https://www.corbettreport.com/

    And if that doesn’t work he has posted links there to alt. Sites [eg Bitchute] to view it.

    Regards, onebornfree

  102. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @anOn

    You’re velkom , mein komrad!

    Regards, onebornfree

  103. Rebel0007 says:

    @A123

    A123,
    Or maybe both the Euro and the dollar will fail. I think so. The dollar as a reserve currency is so contingent upon international use, for which Russia, China, Andean countries, Middle eastern countries abandonment of the dollar as a result of disputes over econmic sanctions, war, and diplomatic problems are hardly sustaining the dollar as a reserve currency.

    My mistake before, it was $700 trillion world wide derivatives with Deutsche Bank with $49 trillion. High rollers! I seriously hope that they all lose! Capitalism without capital! Corporations consuming consumers!

    • Replies: @Miro23
  104. Besides the poppy production, Afghanistan is next to the coveted Iran. We’re never leaving. Nor is winning the purpose. Creating havoc in order to steal resources is. Blowing up Iran for Israel is as well. Plus dead natives and soldiers are an added bonus to the sociopaths that lord over us.

    Thankfully we have lots of young men crossing the border who thru amnesty will eventually replace the dead and injured soldiers. No clue what the chubby diverse female cadets will do in all this. My guess is become instant generals and get photo ops with Ivanka. Is it wrong to hate my country?

  105. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    “9/11 predictive programming” NOT FOUND on the website linked.

    sounds like an interesting thesis, got a better link?

    It’s fact that the Netanyahus published plans for the Global War on Terror in 1979 – 1980
    https://www.crcpress.com/International-Terrorism-Challenge-and-Response/Netanyahu/p/book/9780878558940
    Papa George Bush was in on the planning — “present at the creation.”

    It’s also plausible that Robert Aumann’s Center for the Study of Rationality is gaming every move Jews make in the international arena
    http://www.ratio.huji.ac.il

  106. What can the hoi polloi do?

  107. Agent76 says:

    September 4, 2010 The Imperial Anatomy of Al-Qaeda. The CIA’s Drug-Running Terrorists and the “Arc of Crisis”

    Part 1 examines the origins of the intelligence network known as the Safari Club, which financed and organized an international conglomerate of terrorists, the CIA’s role in the global drug trade, the emergence of the Taliban and the origins of al-Qaeda.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-imperial-anatomy-of-al-qaeda-the-cia-s-drug-running-terrorists-and-the-arc-of-crisis/20907

    June 10, 2014 Drug War?

    American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053

    • Replies: @Miro23
  108. Miro23 says:
    @Kapyong

    “Arrest, as enemy combatants, all these Jews that they ruin your country…”

    Really ?
    WHO is going to do that ?
    WHEN, exactly ?
    and HOW ?

    Endless posts about what needs to be done, but no chance it will actually happen.

    Boring reply, but use what the Scandinavians/British call Ombudsmen (or Stalin called Party Members) and put them in every media company, corporation, university etc. answerable to an independent Federal Judicial Office. If they judge that information received by the public is biased, then they can report the corporation/media company, and it can be fined or have its directors removed. This is an automatic “Right of Reply” built into the system to protect the public.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman

  109. Anon[428] • Disclaimer says:

    I didn’t remember this one:

    ”A major factor influencing the American decision to invade Afghanistan was the decision by the then Taliban government to award the contract for the transport of oil and gas from the Caspian Basin nations via Afghanistan to the Argentinian company, Bridas Corporation.

    One of the first acts of the US after the Afghanistan invasion was to cancel the Bridas contract. That company later successfully sued the United States government for the breach of its contract, a fact that for obvious reasons went almost completely unreported in the western mainstream media.”

    From:

    The Washington Post Ignores the US Invaded Afghanistan to Control Oil, Heroin, China and Iran

    https://ahtribune.com/us/3737-washington-post-ignores-in-afghanistan-papers.html

  110. In “End The Fed,” Ron Paul states that the FED is directly responsible for all of the jew wars, simply because they can print endless money to fund the conflicts.

    If it was up to a vote our citizens would NEVER choose to send tax dollars to fund those stupid wars for israel.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  111. Miro23 says:
    @Rebel0007

    A123,
    Or maybe both the Euro and the dollar will fail. I think so.

    I would bet on the Pound Sterling, then the US Dollar. The E.U. actually produces things that people want to buy. Deutsche Bank is a guaranteed fail. They are already in crisis mode.

  112. Miro23 says:
    @Agent76

    American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053

    Great business for the CIA flying it into the US on their private airfields.

    • Agree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Agent76
  113. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @anon

    You may, [or may not] be interested in my 9/11 blog posts on this very subject:

    “Some 9/11 “Predictive Programming Examples”:

    http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2015/09/some-911-predictive-programming-examples.html

    And: “9/11 Predictive Programming Or Coincidence? – The Coup- Party Music- CD Cover ”:

    http://onebornfrees911researchreview.blogspot.com/2013/02/911-predictive-programming-or.html

    Regards, onebornfree

  114. Rurik says:
    @Rebel0007

    Do you think that maybe Deutsche Bank decided to end the dollar as the reserve currency by over-exposing itself to over $700 trillion in derivatives

    I doubt it. Just more infinite greed.

    Plus, all the big banks now know that if they belong to the ‘too big to fail’ cabal, the standard method will continue to apply, when the big investment banks get called out on their assorted swindles, the little guys is always there to dig deep, and bail them out. I’m sure there’s pensions to loot, or they can always just borrow more.

    TDS – Trump Derangement Syndrome / as opposed to genuine criticism and even well-earned condemnation for his serial treasons.

    One of the metrics you can use to know the difference, is.. ‘do the sufferers of TDS ever criticize Israel? If not, then their angst is pure butt-hurt TDS. Think all the members of both parties who rail against Trump. You won’t find them criticizing Trump for his treasonous fealty to Israel, but rather for his ‘racism’, or his ‘sexism’, or some other butt-hurt idiocy because Trump’s rhetoric isn’t anti-White male enough. Think all the vapid women of the View. And virtually every Jew, who hates Trump.

    Or the people who condemn Trump for his position on Global Warming or immigration or ‘refugees’ or China or NATO or the assholes Merkel and Macron, or a thousand other idiocies, only do so out of TDS.

    And it’s always a thinly veiled pretext for their real hatred, which is for the Deplorables, (straight, often unapologetically white, middle and working class, conservative, Christian-type, gun-owning, combustion engine-driving, law-abiding, tax-paying denizens of the ZUS of A. Their British and French cohorts are the Brexiteers and the Yellow-vesters, respectively). Basically any person who isn’t filled with self-loathing and wants to persevere and raise their families to have some shred of hope for a future. Nazis, IOW. (at least if they’re white people). Black or brown Trump supporters are despised as well, but only for being traitors to the ‘wokeness’ = (anti-White, anti-Christian, pro-homo, pro-POC, hatred on acid ; )

    So there you have it. The TDS legions of butt-hurts, vs. people genuinely disgusted with Trump’s policies.

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
    • Replies: @Miro23
  115. Tony says:
    @Rurik

    Ron Paul was right about be careful for wishing for that wall, because it very well may be used to keep you in.

    Nigga please. Thats extreme paranoia of the first magnitude.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Rurik
  116. Our military leaders serve at the pleasure of our Political leaders. The Framers were trying to solve very specific, known , problems with this setup. It has, however, created a new set of problems. Military leaders who are less interested in being military leaders than is kissing political a$$.

  117. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Yeah, and then they proceeded to win the next war and make Afghanistan (that is, the half that wasn’t already part of British India, where, in the form of the British successor state Pakistan, it remains) into a virtual dependency until 1919.

  118. @Miro23

    Agree, read the books The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia by Alfred McCoy and Compromised,Clinton, Bush and the CIA by Terry Reed, and see their videos on youtube, the books can be had on amazon.

  119. Rurik says:
    @Old and grumpy

    Is it wrong to hate my country?

    There are at least two Americas.

    One is represented by congress and the media and the universities and banks and courts and churches and celebrities and Wall Street and the Pentagon and Israel – the fount of its religion.

    The other is represented by denizens of the fly-over states that work for a living, obey the laws, and go about their lives hurting no one, and generally conducting themselves in an exemplary way. Bob the truck driver, Melissa the office manager, Henry the farmer, and so on..

    No reason to hate this America:

    Every reason to hate this one:

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Bragadocious
  120. Robjil says:
    @Tony

    Nancy loves Israel better than the US. First thing she would do if bricks of the US capital fell all around her, would be thinking of Israel first, not the US. She is not a true Catholic, she is a Zionist first.

    https://therealnews.com/stories/the-attack-on-ilhan-omar-and-pelosis-unconditional-support-for-israel

    March 18, 2019

    Nancy Pelosi pledged support for Israel “even if the Capitol crumbles,” as major Democratic Party funder and pro-Israel advocate Haim Saban looked on – our panel discusses anti-Semitism, Israel and the Democratic Party with Jacqueline Luqman, Jeff Cohen and host Paul Jay

  121. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    … the little guys is always there to dig deep, and bail them out. I’m sure there’s pensions to loot, or they can always just borrow more.

    I think that there’s actually not much left. The US public has been indebted to the maximum. If they issue more debt it’ll just impact the dollar i.e. A 10% increase in debt = a 10% decline in the dollar.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  122. Rurik says:
    @Tony

    Thats extreme paranoia of the first magnitude.

    You think we live in a sane country?

    https://www.westernjournal.com/iowa-man-gets-16-years-burning-lgbt-flag/

    https://governmentslaves.news/2019/12/20/ky-gov-proudly-defends-decision-to-pardon-multiple-convicted-child-rapists-murderers/

    We already know the ZUS government will assassinate by drone American citizens it considers inconvenient, including 16 year old American boys.

    They torture people, assassinate people, put people in prison for 15 years for burning a flag. That’s when they’re not bombing nations into the stone age, for being inconvenient somehow.

    What is it about the American people that you think they love and respect so much, that they’d never infringe on our rights? If they could get American’s guns, the face of our government would take on a very different visage, than what you’re used to.

    Do you suppose that there’s a scintilla of difference between the heart of Chuck Schumer vs. Leon Trotsky? That somehow Chucky being an American, means that he’d never, ever even think of infringing on the American people rights! Huh? Let alone our right to bear arms or free speech or freedom of travel. What’s next, that he’d allow the government to spy on Americans?!

    There was a time when most Americans would have been mortified at the idea of America operating an open torture camp, or wholesale spying on Americans private lives. Now all of that is taken for granted. But I’m ‘paranoid’. Yea, Ok..

    • Agree: Desert Fox, Kratoklastes
  123. @Oscar Peterson

    ‘… The notion of the military in a “state of mutiny” is absurd.’

    Nu? This is the age of absurdity.

    There’s a song about that…sort of. ‘This is the dawning of the age of…’

  124. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Old and grumpy

    Is it wrong to hate my country?

    If it is wrong to post signs that say, It’s OK to be white,
    then
    It must not be wrong to hate a mostly white country.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  125. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    A 10% increase in debt = a 10% decline in the dollar.

    They’ve already destroyed 98% of the dollar’s value since they were given their counterfeiting machine/Federal reserve bank. Why would they hesitate to destroy it even more, so long as they can simply ‘print’ as many trillions as they need? A 10% decline in the value of the dollar would be brutal for the hard working people who’ve saved up dollars, but ((they’ve)) never shown an iota of concern for those people ever, quite the contrary. In fact, destroying the value of people’s saving forces their bipedal farm animals to go out and toil more. A win / win for the Fed.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  126. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Neo-Socratic

    The so called “intellectual class” in America are the most cowardly, effeminate wimps in the history of mankind.

    The only intellectuals allowed to parade in front of the MSM or get their books published are of the housebroken variety. Think George Will as an exemplar of this false intellectual class.

    Hell, they even managed to isolate and make irrelevant the great Solzhenitsyn and suppress his writings in the land of the free and the home of the brave.

  127. Agent76 says:
    @Miro23

    Absolutely so!
    December 20,2019 War is Good for Business and Organized Crime: Afghanistan’s Multibillion Dollar Opium Trade. Rising Heroin Addiction in the US

    “The Big Reveal for the Washington Post was the release of the Afghanistan Papers. A series of interviews and documents “compiled in secret” and then the subject of a “legal challenge” from the US government.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/war-is-good-for-business-and-organized-crime-afghanistans-multibillion-dollar-opium-trade-rising-heroin-addiction-in-the-us/5664319

  128. Art says:

    Swanson sums it up by observing how the academies offer “a community college-level education only with more hazing, violence, and tamping down of curiosity.

    Hmm — Never could figure out how Pompeo could be first in his West Point class.

    Now we know he was only graduating first-in-class from a four-year junior college.

    p.s. He did learn the mean violent part of his classes. He was number 1 in mean.

  129. @AWM

    The Russians didn’t have the advantage of a “never ending money printing” apparatus at their disposal. Reserve currency and petrol dollar status has it’s perks.

  130. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    who is the female —
    or should ask,
    who is the person that is not Bill Maher?

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  131. Rebel0007 says:

    @Miro23

    Miro23,
    Agreed, things are not looking very bright for the future of the pound sterling, however, you say that the E.U. makes things that people actually want to buy. Perhaps, the problem is that if the E.U. is going to rely on exports, the Euro is just too high. That is the conundrum, always, with trade!

    Is the Euro going to have a closed economy? They can’t because the land in the EU does not have the natural resorces and raw materials necessary for that to occur. That is just reality.

  132. @anon

    If you google “9/11 predictive programming ” it will lead you to a link for the article on Steemit and a bunch of other articles and youtube videos on the subject .
    See also : ” World Trade Center scam exposed ” By Kevin Barrett , veteranstodayarchives.com
    Kevin Barrett asks the provocative question ” Were the Twin Towers built by David Rockefeller for the express purpose of one day being destroyed in a spectacular fake terrorist attack?”

  133. @anon

    ‘… It must not be wrong to hate a mostly white country.’

    There’s a fine point. Of course one can hate an entirely white country — but is it praiseworthy to hate a country that is only partially white?

    • Replies: @anon
  134. Norseman says:

    This report makes it look like incompetence on the part of the presidents and high staff, when in reality it was a well planned and executed drug smuggling operation.
    And the worst part; the American public either doesn’t care or won’t accept the truth of the corruption of their leaders. Look at the Mexican cartels and their ties to Pelosi, Clinton, etc. El Chapo sold them all out, not a word from the media.
    Most Americans will do anything to deny the existence of the elephant in their living room, and we wonder why nothing changes?

  135. @Old and grumpy

    Neoconopolis is the one to hate:
    Who print the dollars,
    Make the wars,
    Tell the lies,
    And send your children home in a star-striped crate.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  136. By-tor says:
    @Bill Jones

    The US is a globalist, hegemonic entity. US ( NATO ) wars and destabilization operations are about controlling other countries’ resources, markets as well taking over ownership of the targeted country’s most valuable assets. The US ruling class hates Russia, China, North Korea, Venezuela, Syria, Hezbollah and Iran, because those countries refuse to submit to Globohomo.

  137. @SeekerofthePresence

    ‘Neoconopolis is the one to hate…’

    Obviously, it’s getting to be time to make uttering the term ‘Neocon’ a hate crime.

    • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
  138. By-tor says:
    @Bragadocious

    Afghanistan became stone-age after the Soviets left and the US’ fundamentalist mercenaries and their CIA handlers arrived to wreck the country and kill people.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anonymous
  139. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    well sir
    that fine point is easier to discern now that USA is two nations, divisible
    it’s like the perforated line on your electric bill: detach here
    ZIP!
    (include your check in payment in full but do not staple, fold or mutilate)

    we’ve got two, who’ll give me three
    three?
    three?
    three over there
    three, three going once
    four
    who’ll give me four, four gimme four
    three, three going once, three going twice —

    SOLD OUT!

  140. @Anon

    Thank you for posting this. “The Boxer” is so profound and brilliant, appropriate for the insanity of today and what it does to us. This song is about 50 years old and it seems that the more things change, the more things stay the same.

    I hope some of the Manichean mindset folks on this website will consider the source of this work. I swear, I don’t see how Ron puts up with some of the hateful crap espoused here by commenters.

    FWIW, check out Alison Krause’s most excellent version of “The Boxer” and “Graceland” on YouTube.

  141. Anon[541] • Disclaimer says:

    Dissident right at our finest – winning with enemy talking points by handwringing over sexualized remarks to fat-ass negress cadets at West Point.

  142. @By-tor

    ‘Afghanistan became stone-age after the Soviets left and the US’ fundamentalist mercenaries and their CIA handlers arrived to wreck the country and kill people.’

    The Soviets killed 10% of the population of the population of Afghanistan and rendered a third of the survivors homeless.

    Their regime would be roughly comparable to the Nazi occupation of Poland. It’s obscene that you would defend it.

    Perhaps you should consider the moral depths your ideological predilections have led you to plumb.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @annamaria
  143. Rich says:
    @DanFromCT

    “Evil”? Okay. Whatever your definition of “good” or “evil” are, the US has still succeeded militarily in Afghanistan. Military success cannot be judged by “barbarity”. In the end, it’s judged by success. Whatever the horrors of Dresden, it was the Allies who won and the Germans who were forced to suffer in defeat. Maybe some far off god sits in judgement and sheds a tear for the “righteous” defeated, but that has nothing to do with who wins. Let’s save the “curtesy” of judgement to the wide- eyed kids in Sunday school.

    • Replies: @Amon
    , @NoseytheDuke
  144. Art says:

    Another article on the US military Afghan coverup crimes — Medea Benjamin

    The Real Lesson of Afghanistan Is That Regime Change Does Not Work

    by Medea Benjamin and Nicolas J. S. Davies / December 20th, 2019

    Te trove of U.S. “Lessons Learned” documents on Afghanistan published by the Washington Post portrays, in excruciating detail, the anatomy of a failed policy, scandalously hidden from the public for 18 years. The “Lessons Learned” papers, however, are based on the premise that the U.S. and its allies will keep intervening militarily in other countries, and that they must therefore learn the lessons of Afghanistan to avoid making the same mistakes in future military occupations.

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/12/the-real-lesson-of-afghanistan-is-that-regime-change-does-not-work/

  145. Erebus says:
    @anOn

    One important notion I took away is that it’s not just Jews, it is something essential in the extra-Jewish American psyche —

    As much as this Forum engages in “da joos dunnit,” what we in USA have to take aboard to a soul-searing intensity is that it’s not just the Jews (though many influential Jews are entrenched in the vanguard), and it’s not even “Christian zionists”** who drive these policies: there is something fundamental in the USAian psyche — “our DNA” in today’s terms (“race” in the era of first half of 1900s) — that views mass slaughter of other people and the conquest of their lands, institutions, and culture, in order to rape their resources and assets, and impose their own version of ‘how everyone ought to live’ (I call this notion “Abrahamism”, the socio-spiritual foundation of the right-to-rule).

    That’s a “Take!” Amen.

    The West’s foundational document is the Old Testament. Therein, a God of War is stood up as the Supreme Being and Creator of all that exists. Not merely pre-eminent in a pantheon of lesser Gods, but alone and omnipotent surrounded by pantheons of imposters worshipped only by heathens.

    What is Peace to a God of War? It is decay and dissolution of the universe he created. It is Entropy, the enemy of universal action. His fundamental message to his followers has ever been to aspire to righteousness by cherry picking the useful, and destroying the rest of what the heathens and their false Gods created.

    Great post.

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Robjil
  146. @Oscar Peterson

    What we actually have in the US is a very shallow state that is easily penetrated, co-opted and turned against itself by power centers outside the formal governance structure.

    Nailed it.

    Deep State” is partly a useful term for the senior bureacracy (sub-Secretary level), who pursue their institutional goals irrespective of what coloured tie is worn by the President, House Majority Leader or Senate Majority leader.

    But as a description of a clandestine group who is setting the agenda de facto? That’s a marketing tool that journalists use so they can pretend that they don’t know who issues the marching orders.

    Just as Walter Duranty would never have publicly written that Alger Hiss was controlled out of Moscow, so the NYT today would never write honestly about the first allegiance of the neocons. Instead, we get a really amateurish ersatz Le Carré plot.

  147. Rebel0007 says:

    Ten percent of the NDAA budget spending will be spent on war, the other 90% is just overhead, (Wall Street) and making certaian that the mother ship from Planet Zeltor does not recue us from this insane country!

    https://sputniknews.com/us/201912211077694408-trump-announces-establishment-of-a-us-space-force/

  148. @bob sykes

    The testimony of (((LtC Vindman))) should give everyone pause.

    He would not have said those things in public, if they were not the common opinion of m̶o̶s̶t̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶m̶i̶l̶i̶t̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶c̶i̶v̶i̶l̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶b̶u̶r̶e̶a̶u̶c̶r̶a̶c̶y̶.̶ ̶

    Should be: “He would not have said those things in public, if they were not the common opinion of most of the Tribe.”

    ftfy

  149. @Rurik

    America’s long, slow economic decline began with the Arab oil boycott, launched in retaliation for Nixon pulling Israel’s chestnuts out of the fire during the Yom Kippur war. (Golda Meir threatened to go nuclear, potentially engulfing the entire planet in flame.)

    • Agree: Rurik
  150. The US Congress and presidents have ceded tremendous power to generals. The State Department and even the US Institute of Peace are subservient to the military.

    Well… might want to take a look at the attack on Libya — military leaders were uniformly opposed, while State and the “intelligence community” (and Hillary, Blumenthal, etc.) supported the attack. Who won that one?

  151. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    We’ve spent more than the trillion those minerals are worth years ago.

    Indeed, and this point is probably universally applicable. For those people who imagine wars for oil, how much more has it cost to wage war on Iraq, for instance, than to have bought oil from Saddam? It doesn’t make sense, obviously.

    So there are much more complex political and economic considerations, such as depriving those nations of revenue, depriving other countries of the oil or minerals or investments, greasing our armament-based economy, disrupting or destroying antagonists of Israel, etc., etc. By those standards, the forever wars are a great success….. which is why the DNC and Deep State are so enamored of Spooky Pete:

    The Insider: National Security Mandarins Groomed Pete Buttigieg & Managed His Future
    https://consortiumnews.com/2019/12/19/the-insider-national-security-mandarins-groomed-pete-buttigieg-managed-his-future/

  152. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @anOn

    and @Erebus

    “Abrahamism”, the socio-spiritual foundation of the right-to-rule…

    Oh, puh-leeze! Alexander the [not so] Great conquered and slaughtered all the way to India, without any help from Abraham. Likewise, the Japanese subjugation of China pre-WWII. It’s human nature. At least, the nature of those humans who usually get power. Sorry.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @anOn
    , @anOn
  153. Biff says:
    @Erebus

    Two great posts in one….

  154. The Afghan war was won in several weeks time. After that, the pentagon decided to lose it and expand it’s coffers. This is not news. After the Taliban was evicted, the US should have either dug in forever in a meaningful way or departed. And the stupid, venal US generals and politicians did neither.

  155. Miro23 says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    What we actually have in the US is a very shallow state that is easily penetrated, co-opted and turned against itself by power centers outside the formal governance structure.

    That’s an interesting way of looking at it. My framework for understanding the US it is what Spengler called the “financialization” of the West.

    When everything is measured by private financial gain (under neoliberal “freedoms”) then it’s OK to use the state to increase private profits – which is in fact what’s happening:

    – Corporate lobbies enforce their monopolies and avoid taxation.

    – The MIC allies with whoever is going to launch the next war.

    – Wall St/FED indebt everyone – government, students, housing, consumer, credit card etc. to produce a colossally parasitic financial sector.

    – Every corporation’s outsourcing director works out what local production can be shut down and sent to Asia, and what local labour can be replaced.

    – The state itself (CIA) becomes the world’s premier “illegal” drugs runner.

    – Any countries dissenting from the New World Order and the US petrodollar are Regime Changed.

    It’s all highly profitable for a small, and more or less stateless elite, who know each other, go to the same schools and meet each other at places like the Bohemian Grove, Davos or Epstein’s island.

    • Agree: Rurik
  156. The Guardian (UK) :”Trump contradicts aides and says troops in Afghanistan ‘only for oil ‘” (the headline that wasn’t)

  157. Robjil says:
    @Erebus

    The problem today is that Abrahamism hides behind a 6 million Mask.

    We can not speak about Abrahamism behavior since it would be anti-S to do so.

    Thus, the most violent Abrahamism like thinking such as “Destroy Seven Nations” for the nine eleven false flag gets a free pass in our “free” Zion 500 BC press.

    This DSN ( destroy seven nations) comes from Deut. 7.1-2. It is how Israel of the Tanakh ( Old Testament) got its start. This was written in 500 BC. Israel. Thus, we in the 21st century are thinking and using policies of 500 BC Israel.

    The new Israel of today wanted to do the same thing today. Thus, the US /west Golem has been doing that job for the new Israel in the past eigthteen years.

    Iran is the last nation of the seven not yet attacked by the US/west Golem or Israel .

    Israel tried to do one on their own in 2006 with its attack on Southern Lebanon. It did not work so good for Israel. Israel messed up Southern Lebanon and Lebanon’s tourist industry but Israel had to flee back to Israel with a nothing burger.

    • Agree: Desert Fox, Daniel Rich
  158. anOn[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    It’s human nature

    How many shrines, churches, cathedrals, synagogues, temples are there to the great Alexander?

    How many people throughout the world proclaim that they base their moral and spiritual creed on the divinely inspired Father Alexander?

    Was the “Japanese subjugation of China” episodic, situation-driven, or engaged based on a divine mandate handed down over the millennia? Is that divine mandate still operating as a foundation for current actions?

    Was your childish response influenced by your weekly portion on pilpul or the bibul lesson in come-to-jeezus Sunday school?

  159. anOn[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Flint Clint had an elegant rejoinder to your “it’s human nature” drivel

    https://www.unz.com/ejones/sam-francis-and-the-triple-melting-pot-race-vs-religion-part-ii/#comment-3613084

    Catholicism is about both a true understanding of the nature of the world, but also about ending the mistakes of neo-Babel. It ‘is’ race realist. Because God preserves the nations. The nations are all meant to be kept apart from each other, but within the Church.

    That’s what Catholicism is.

    It was the secular states of Europe that despatched colonial offices. What did the Vatican send out? Missionaries.

    When Europe was Christian it was European.

    and

    you can’t escape the supernatural because it is part of man’s being and kind. The impulse has to be filled somehow – look around you, does the post-Christian impulse look like it’s working out for western civilization?

    Elites sacrificing children to ‘Molech’ per Wikileaks? You’re living in a world of Phoenecian Canaanite religion and freemasonry. Look it up. Those who call themselves Jews but who are not.

    God is in direct opposition to that, which is why it banished him from the public square and calls itself the ‘Hebrews’ and ‘Children of Israel’.

    You can really see the difference between people who lack basic Christian formation and those who don’t lack it.
    But you have to have a religion and Christianity is the one that will save you.

    It’s the difference between white people sacrificing children like the Vikings did, and white people having 10 children who they bring up to be educated and discerning.

  160. @Rurik

    I would add that I also hate this America.

    By withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan you are condemning millions of women to the Stone Age. No education, no choice about who they marry. They will become property when the Taliban takes over. Is that what you really want Ro? https://t.co/7VR9ZJUz8W— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) December 21, 2018

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Amon
    , @Kolya Krassotkin
  161. Hibernian says:
    @Colin Wright

    The girls were sexy, though. Well, a few girls in Kabul were sexy.

  162. @Bert

    “A thoughtless, macho culture is a natural consequence of the personality type most common among those attracted to military service. ”

    Agreed.

    The military needs more genetically superior and intelligent Antifa types who poop on police cars and quaff wine with their Tide pods.

  163. gsjackson says:
    @anon

    Joy Behar, one of the harpies on The View.

  164. You mean the CIA Heroin Drug Operation to Prop Up the US Dollar “Military” Police Force Action? Begun with former CIA Asset Osama Bin Laden who worked Closely with the Agency during the Russian Occupation training the Mujahedeen that the CIA supplied with Stinger Missles? That All used to be Financed through BCCI the CIA owned Bank for Terrorists, Drug Runner’s, Sex Slavers & Laundering Dirty Money? This “WAR” set up by the Bush NAZI Crime Family & War Profiteer Penis DICK Cheney? Naw couldn’t be THAT Dysfunctional War – Could it? The US has NEVER fought a “WAR” since Korea that was Legitimate – It’s Always about Something Else: Drugs, Oil, Regime Change, Geopolitics or Whatever the Billionaires TELL the US Government to do. I feel Badly for Our Men & Women in the Military USED AS DISPOSABLE PAWNS – THAT SHIT SHOULD MAKE EVERY US CITIZEN ANGRY!

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  165. @Priss Factor

    Yes! Of course it’s an occupation. They are there to protect the oil pipeline while at the same time exploiting the opium.
    Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911, the whole thing was a lie – a “new pearl harbour” excuse to bomb the middle east back to the stone age and steal it’s resources. And enable you know who to expand it’s borders from the “nile to the euphrates” (and ultimately the world).
    Kudos to “anonymous[307]” for an excellent analysis.

  166. theatlantic.com :” How corporate lobbyists conquered American Democracy ”

    thenation.com : “Afghan lobby scam” this article describes payoffs to the Taliban to protect American supply lines and how a major military contractor created an ‘astroturf organization with the assistance of a major Washington law firm to promote long-term US engagement in Afghanistan .

  167. “…America will remain in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future and the inevitable next war, wherever it might be, will be another failure, no matter who is elected in 2020.”
    History shows a fatalistic pattern, where empires rise and gain hegemony only in time to lose it and face the very conflict they’ve always sought to avoid – utter defeat. We talk a lot about history, but learn very little from it.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @Onebornfree
  168. Rurik says:
    @Bragadocious

    By withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan you are condemning millions of women to the Stone Age. — Howard Dean

    ahh, the progressive left, eh?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/473842-patriot-act-betrayal-democrats-house/

    An epidemic of suicides and opioid deaths, shootings right and left..

    mortgaging America’s children’s future to borrow trillions to pay for bombs to maim and slaughter millions of innocents all over the planet..

    while force-injecting cultural and spiritual sewage into America’s young people.

    It’s been almost two decades since they perpetrated 9/11, with our Total Police/Surveillance state vacuuming up every scintilla of data on the American people- in the ‘land of the free and home of the brave.’

    Curious about progressive liberal Howard Dean’s opinion of Gitmo, I find this:

    at a breakfast today with Howard Dean sponsored by The American Prospect, a cast member from the play Guantanamo asked Dean about the Democratic Party’s position on another detention facility widely viewed as illegal under international law.

    “We don’t have a Democratic Party position,” Dean admitted.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/dean-no-dem-position-gitmo/

    The progressive liberals have no problem with America operating a torture camp, or obviously the Eternal Wars and Total surveillance. And they get on their sanctimonious high horse over Afghanistan, by suggesting that America is empowering women, as the drone strikes ‘bug splat’ brides at their weddings.

    Yes, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to see America as anything other than a degenerate black hole of moral filth and spiritual rot. At least as far as the progressive left is concerned. Or the evangelical right. Dems and GOP are venal, soulless cretins, the lot.

    Uruguay, can I get refugee status?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @JackOH
  169. Amon says:
    @Justsaying

    I still have trouble of discovering any other nation in this day and age whose public is as thoroughly screwed by our government in concert with the Main Shit Media as ours is.

    The UK, Germany, Australia and Sweden comes to mind.

  170. @Kratoklastes

    This is turning the concept of a Deep State on it’s head.
    The term originally referred to Turkey where, when politicians went off the deep end, actors in the military, bureaucracy, business community colluded to dethrone the politician via coup and martial law.
    Each time this was used in Modern Turkey, 4 times, the power was returned to the people via elections within a year.

    The U.S. has a deep state. Playing semantics won’t change that. It is the same actors, as in Turkey, except they don’t want elections. They want to control candidates AND the directions the government takes.
    It is still a Deep State.

  171. Amon says:
    @Rich

    If you have had such a great success in Afghanistan and beaten the Taliban, why is it that they control the majority of the nation while your army negotiate with them for a peaceful way to exit the war?

    • Replies: @Rich
  172. Amon says:
    @Bragadocious

    I guess he forgot that the Taliban only exists because the US derp state funded, trained and armed them back in the 80s.

  173. @richard the 3rd

    Lion-like, richard the 3rd said:
    Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911, the whole thing was a lie – ”

    Hey richard the 3rd!

    Re, above; Both The “Afghanistan papers” and regrettably Phil Giraldi’s article missed your key point, richard the 3rd.

    Thanks for the vital comment,👍, and in addition & as you & P.G. are aware, the zionized American military occupation of “The Graveyard of Empires” delighted Israel by providing a piecemeal containment of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

  174. FvS says:
    @Colin Wright

    I recommend Ch. 8 in Stephen Sniegoski’s The Transparent Cabal. It delves more into the “why” of Afghanistan.

    Why then have so many great nations fought in and over Afghanistan, and why should we be concerned with it now? In short, because Afghanistan is the crossroads between what Halford MacKinder called the world’s Heartland and the Indian subcontinent . . . . With the collapse of the Soviet Union, it has become an important potential opening to the sea for the landlocked new states
    of Central Asia. The presence of large oil and gas deposits in that area has attracted countries and multinational corporations. Russia and China, not to mention Pakistan and India, are deeply involved in trying to shape the future of what may be the world’s most unchangeable people. Because Afghanistan is a major strategic pivot what happens there affects the rest of the world. – Elie Krakowski, former DoD specialist on Afghanistan

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  175. JackOH says:
    @Rurik

    “Dems and GOP are venal, soulless cretins, the lot.”

    Rurik, pretty much true. I worked for both major parties as a minor political operative in the 1980s. Horrified, I’ve voted third party ever since when the opportunity arises.

    Candidates will promise anything to gain office. “Office” means brokering the interests of the Council of 25,000 (my term), the lobbies that control the meaning of America. The “common good” may enter into negotiations, but the American public is mostly an afterthought, dunnage on the ship of state.

    “Uruguay, can I get refugee status?”

    When I considered emigrating from the States in the 1990s after I realized affirmative action had probably played a significant role in squelching my career opportunities, I thought very briefly of claiming refugee status. I’d be laughed at, plus I’d be opening a can of worms. I stayed in the States. Not sure I’m happy about that.

  176. Rich says:
    @Amon

    The Taliban don’t actually control anything, they stay hidden in the bush, occasionally terrorizing inhabitants of small villages. Stories about Taliban success are mostly fairly tales or the random suicide attack.

    It’s my understanding the USA has stopped negotiating with the various indigenous rebels because of their inability to control the various groups supposedly under their control. If you truly don’t understand why the USA would attempt to negotiate with these groups, you probably don’t understand how wars and occupations work and I wouldn’t be able to enlighten you in a few paragraphs.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  177. Thanks for pointing out how much brainwashing goes on. But we also need to bear in mind exactly how it’s done. This article shows how CIA implements Project Mockingbird today.

    https://tareqhaddad.com/2019/12/14/lies-newsweek-and-control-of-the-media-narrative-first-hand-account/

    The process works by suborning green journalists. The most malleable are put through their paces with think tank busywork taking stenography from CIA, and if they’re controllable enough, to CFR billets and back into featherbed editor jobs. CFR shunts suitably clever and servile apple-polishers into internships at State, which is now infested with CIA ratfuckers (70% are dotted-line reports by one dip’s published estimate.) So any editor handling a story of interest to CIA is an illegal domestic CIA agent. Most are pathetic wannabes run with ego-up manipulation (think Kurt Eichenwald.) Some are suborned with in-kind corruption (think Udo Ulfkotte.) Whatever it takes. Dimi Reider is Jewy enough to smell like Mossad and keeps his profile low so you know CIA has a fat 201 on him. Reider’s an officer, not an agent.

  178. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    [I suspect you are referring to Bush 43. If so, I suggest that you are off base. Bush 43 may have signed on for 9/11, but there is no way it could have been planned and executed in less than 9 months of his Presidency. ]

    Thank you. Yes, I meant Bush 43. The United States designed a plan for taking over the world long before Bush and Neocons came to power, especially after the demise of the Soviet Union.

    One of the designer for world hegemony was Zbigniew Brzeziński believed for US to become truly a world power, control of the Eurasia is vital, that’s why US/Israel staged 9/11 to invade and occupy Afghanistan, a country who has NOTHING to do with 9/11.

    over the world and re draw the map of the Middle East region and occupation of the Central Asia and partition of Afghanistan long time before Bush came to power.

    Zbigniew Brzezinski book, The Grand Chessboard, American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives talk about this vision.

    The neocons had an agenda for the interest of Israel, ‘greater Israel’ and Israel as hegemon in the Middle east, according to Oded Yino, to weaken the regional states and partition these states based on
    ethnic and religious divide. Due to Israel’s influence in American foreign policy, their plans became USG policy as well. Thus, the “New World Order’ has “greater Israel’ in it.

    Another paper which is important is written by Ralph Peters

    Blood Borders: A Proposal To Redraw A “New Middle East”

    https://brilliantmaps.com/new-middle-east/

    There are many articles that talks about the plan for world hegemony. They needed an start. Israel could not do it alone. US and Israel staged 9/11

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882

  179. @FvS

    ‘I recommend Ch. 8 in Stephen Sniegoski’s The Transparent Cabal. It delves more into the “why” of Afghanistan…’

    So Afghanistan is strategically vital.

    I get tired of this; I first noticed it when we started fussing about Somalia back in the eighties or something, and it’s gone on ever since. EVERYWHERE seems to be ‘strategically vital.’

    What isn’t? Antarctica?

    Look, some places are of real concern to us. Like, say, the Persian Gulf. Or Cuba; it’s close. An uproar in Mexico would merit our attention.

    But Afghanistan? It’s a landlocked land of high desert, literally on the opposite side of the planet from us. If anywhere is not strategically vital, it’s Afghanistan. It can be ruled by the cannibal race from the Planet Org — our life will go on quite nicely.

    Look at what actually happened. The Taliban ran the place for quite some time and it made no difference to us. It’s only when they managed to get our attention by sheltering Osama bin Laden that we took notice, and even then, we could have made the moral abundantly clear to all by overthrowing the Taliban and then withdrawing.

    We didn’t need to stay in the place, and shouldn’t have. Moreover, both the British and the Russians had offered previous examples of the futility of doing so. And all this was clear at the time. I saw it.

    But we did it anyway — to the benefit of absolutely on one, least of all ourselves.

    So we can learn now. Leave. Fuck me. What could be more obvious?

    • Replies: @anon
  180. @Rich

    ‘… If you truly don’t understand why the USA would attempt to negotiate with these groups, you probably don’t understand how wars and occupations work and I wouldn’t be able to enlighten you in a few paragraphs…’

    Or, in the case of Afghanistan, don’t work. It didn’t work for the British, it didn’t work for the Russians, and now it’s not working for us.

    Why do we imagine anything’s going to change? It hasn’t, and it’s not going to.

    We only continue to stay there for one reason, and it’s a really bad one.

    As long as we stay there, we don’t have to admit we’ve lost.

    Let’s imagine a universe in which we suddenly weren’t in Afghanistan — but knew we had been there, and what had happened.

    Would we go back in?

    Of course not. So let’s believe in magic. Let’s go to that alternate universe.

    Leave. Just get on the plane and go.

    • Replies: @Rich
  181. Piglet says:
    @RVBlake

    We taught Grenada a lesson they’ll not soon forget.

    I think the lesson was “WTF?” Grenada was absolutely no threat to the US and the justifications given for the invasion soon turned out to be nothing but total BS. William Blum’s book Killing Hope devotes a chapter to this embarrassment.

    I well remember it, and at the time I was in the military, although fortunately I had no involvement in this goat rope. We had just lost 241 Marines and supporting personnel in Beirut (yet another place we did not need to be, and nothing good was going to come of our presence there) and were limping out of there with our tails between our legs, when suddenly there was this opportunity to pretend a fight between opposing groups of black Marxists on Grenada was a grave danger to American students foolish enough to go to school there.

    They were never in any danger, and in fact the local government offered to ensure their safe departure from the island. Naturally, our own government blew off the offer and pretended the students were being held hostage, which they weren’t.

    The invasion force included an Airborne assault by two ranger battalions followed by the airlanding of much of the 82d Airborne Division and parts of XVIII Airborne Corps. It was soon very clear that our side had absolutely no clue what it was up against (the rinky-dink Grenada military and some Cuban construction engineer troops in their 40s and 50s) and grossly inflated the other side’s numbers and capability. In addition to this US Army force, two companies of Marines, en route by ship to Beirut to fill in for the recent losses, diverted to take part.

    Advancement by the Army forces was painfully slow. The two companies of Marines landed and pretty much went where they wished. The Chief of Staff of the Army rang up the Army force commander to find out why the Marines were able to go far and wide while the 82d was inching along.

    Additional, we were treated to the spectacle of the Army and the Navy being unable to communicate. There were ships capable of providing fire support to Army forces, but due to dissimilar communications systems, the Army and Navy couldn’t talk to each other. A GI called long distance from a phone booth back to the States in order to get in touch with the Navy ships. (This scene was reenacted later in a Clint Eastwood movie.)

    Despite the dire threat that the island had supposedly posed to the US and Reagan’s claim that “we got there just in time,” it was soon obvious it had all been a big, fat lie and the US military fumbled the fight against a poorly-army, disorganized enemy. Most troops, in fact, didn’t even know which side they were supposed to take concerning the squabble between the locals.

    In the aftermath, the number of medals awarded exceeded the total number of troops ever to step foot on the island. Many went to people who never left the US but played some sort of minor supporting role. A major at the Pentagon defended the deluge of medals by saying the military doesn’t have monetary bonuses, “so bring on the medals!”

    After the embarrassment of the Desert One debacle (the attempt to rescue hostages held in Iran, the failure of which led to the end of the Carter administration), Reagan had promised to restore the military’s might. Clearly this hadn’t happened, and people wondered if the ridiculous performance in Grenada was what they were getting for their tax dollars.

    No worries, however. People were treated to the scene of returning American students kissing the ground after they got off of the plane, the blunder was portrayed as a great victory, and our short memories led us to forget what had just happened in Beirut. Yay, team! USA! USA! USA!

    So, to get back to the original point, I think the “lesson” Grenada and the world learned was that American leaders lie a lot (nothing new there), they’ll invade bomb and invade places of no real concern to the US (again nothing new), they’ll use these events to cover up other embarrassments (in the next decade, presidential adultery scandals), and the US military isn’t nearly as capable as the US likes to pretend it is.

    Instead of going to Grenada to tamp down blacks killing each other, we could have just invaded any chocolate city in the US and saved the travel expense. It was during this era that I recall DC’s body count led to it being named the country’s murder capital during the reign of Hizzonor Marion “Bitch Set Me Up” Barry. These days Birmingham AL, Camden NJ, Baltimore/Bodymore, Murderland or Chicago/Chicongo are four places (among so many) much more dangerous than Grenada but instead we pretend that what goes on there is “normal.”

    Some “lesson”!

    • Replies: @Rich
  182. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    From the stats I’ve seen, less than 2,000 Americans have died because of hostile action in the Afghan adventure. Yes, every life is important, but these losses are very small, and actually very similar to numbers of deaths in the military during the non-war years of the 1980s.

    As for not working, as long as the US stays, a “friendly” government remains in power, the US has a forward base in case of any other hostilities and military personnel get real life combat training. Every member of the military is a volunteer and knows what they signed up for, so there’s no coercion in putting the troops there.

    I don’t agree that we wouldn’t have gone in if we’d had a crystal ball back in Oct, 2001, in fact, we might have gone in even stronger. But, of course, we have no crystal ball and decisions are made based on the best information available at the time.

    The only real problem with the war is that it was partly sold as being for the point of turning Afghanistan into a “western style democracy”. Anyone with half a brain should have known that wasn’t going to happen, and if you eliminate that sham, then the US has been, and is being, militarily successful in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  183. @Bragadocious

    Condemning millions of Afghani women to the stone age by abandoning them? Or, staying, pouring in trillions of taxpayer dollars, robbed from Americans, to turn said Afghani women into unhappy, bitter, childless cat ladies with shriveled wombs, just like their sisters in the West?

    Decisions, decisions.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @Hibernian
  184. @anOn

    ‘… there is something fundamental in the USAian psyche — “our DNA” in today’s terms (“race” in the era of first half of 1900s) — that views mass slaughter of other people and the conquest of their lands, institutions, and culture, in order to rape their resources and assets, and impose their own version of ‘how everyone ought to live’ (I call this notion “Abrahamism”, the socio-spiritual foundation of the right-to-rule)…’

    This is absurd. Just to confine the discussion to Afghanistan, in nine years the Russians killed between half a million and two million Afghan civilians. We’ve been there twice as long; the above article cites a figure of one hundred thousand civilians killed.

    Obviously, whatever our shortcomings, they’re hardly confined to us. Others are usually just as bad; and very often worse.

  185. geokat62 says:

    Must see, video, Palestinian Justice? ICC Opens War Crimes Investigation of Israel

    https://www.trunews.com/stream/palestinian-justice-icc-opens-war-crimes-investigation-of-israel

    Description:

    Today on TruNews we detail the war crimes being investigated by the international criminal court, specifically the unabashed slaughter and assassination of unarmed Palestinians children in the illegally occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip. We also discuss the terrorist beginnings of the political state of Israel, and their Hebrew totalitarian manifesto which calls for the use of military force to create a Greater Israel and seek alliances with Fascist Mussolini and Nazi Hitler.

    Some of Rick Wile’s bombs:

    @ 23:22

    So, we want to show you… just to give you an idea of what it’s like to be under Jewish rule, because you better think about it here in America… you better think about it. Because what they want to do is take, they want to take the Zionist occupation global. I said that one night in Bethlehem… I said that the Zionists want to globalize the occupation and I saw the look on the Palestinian faces, they didn’t get what I was saying. And I said “No, seriously. This is what I’m realizing. You’re the test case. They want to globalize this. They want to use technology. The want to use surveillance technology and artificial intelligence. They want to use all of this new technology to globalize the occupation and dominate the world!”… How many police departments in America send their officers to Israel for Israeli training?… They’re merging the law enforcement departments… Why do you think American police departments are being militarized? Who do you think’s doing this? Who do you think’s introducing these militaristic tactics and mentalities in local law enforcement?

    Doc Burkhart – So, as you watch how the Palestinians are treated by IDF and by Israeli forces, you have to ask yourself a question: at what point in the future, who are the Palestinians here in the United States? Who are going to be the ones who are going to be on the receiving end of being delegitimized and brutalized and told they have no country? There’s coming a time when that’s going to happen.

    @ 33:41
    That’s what it looks like to live under Zionist occupation. And that’s what every place will look like if Zionism is not stopped. Soldiers bursting in a home at 3am, ordering a mother to wake up her children. Telling the children: “Don’t be afraid, military is here.”… “We could shoot your mother and nobody can do anything about it!”

    @36:30
    Now, this next video… I want to dedicate this to Perry Stone, Mike Huckabee, Mike Evans, Jensen Franklin, Michael Brown, Paula White, Laurie Cardozomore, Jan Markel and the rest of the evangelical Zionist shills in America, because when they go over to Israel and they get all excited about West Bank settlements. and you see the videos on Christian TV, it’s not Christian TV anymore because it’s Zionist propaganda television in America, and they show the videos of Jewish settlements… that the Jews are returning to Judea and Samaria. Isn’t it wonderful? This is the bible being fulfilled. And look at these beautiful new Jewish homes being built in Judea and Samaria. Yes, and you have to wonder how many of these evangelical Zionists in America are getting a little piece of that land. How many of them have been promised a house or a building in return for being a shill in America on religious television and radio? I don’t know, but I suspect that some of them are being paid off with land in the West Bank.

    @58:30
    Wikipedia, I’m reading Wikipedia: During WWII, LEHI declared that it would establish a Jewish state based on nationalistic and totalitarian principles…

    [Would machine gunned soldiers bursting into your house at 3am and harassing your little children in bed, would that be a totalitarian Jewish state?… Ok, that’s what the world’s going to look like if the Zionists are not stopped. You want to know why I’m so adamant about stopping Zionism? This thing is the beast. This is the fourth beast that Daniel saw in the end times. We want to talk about the last days of the end times and the coming of the lord Jesus Christ? This is the beast, Zionism! And it rules with an iron fist. It has teeth of iron. It crushes its enemies. It makes war against the saints. And for a time prevails against the saints, until the ancient of days comes and crushes it and gives the kingdom to the saints.]

    This gets even worse [reading Wikipedia]: After Stern’s death in 1942, the new leadership of LEHI began to move it towards support of Joseph Stalin’s Soviet Union.

    [So, Hitler’s defeated… so, what do the Jewish zionists do? “Let’s line up with Stalin.”]

    In 1944, LEHI officially declared its support for Bolshevism and said: “Bolshevism involved [listen to this] an amalgamation of left wing and right wing political elements.

    [What do we have in America right now? Jews are controlling the right wing and the left wing. It’s the same tactics. Folks, wake up! Wake up and realize what’s being done to you, in this country. They’re using the same tactics on us! Speak out against them and watch the terrorists come at you. They come at you. They’re terrorists. They want to terrorize you. They tried to terrorize me in the past month, but forced me to be quiet. Well, it didn’t work. And I’m telling the truth about who these people are. They are thugs and they’re terrorizing the Arabs for the past 70 years. They plan to terrorize all of us, worldwide.]

    LEHI and Irgun were responsible for the massacre at Deir Yassin. Deir Yassin was a Palestinian village, about 600 people near Jerusalem and on April 9, 1948, Irgun and the Stern group, LEHI, raided the Palestinian village and slaughtered 107 Palestinians, including children. That’s what they’re proud of… They’re proud of that. See, they’ve been committing war crimes against humanity since the 1930s and 40s. And now they’re trying to be legit. It’s like the mafia going in to a legit business.

    @ 1:11:19
    Oh, by the way, one of the goals… of the LEHI group: the building of the Third Temple… So, all you goofy, gullible evangelical Zionists out there getting all giddy and excited about a Third Temple, you’re just fulfilling the plans of a terrorist group!

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  186. Rich says:
    @Piglet

    You really buy all the anti-American propaganda about the Grenada invasion, don’t you? The Cubans were all 40 and 50 year old construction “engineers”? And you claim to have served in the military? Guess you’ve never served with any engineering units in the US Army, have you? I might have come across an old sergeant over forty, but that’s about it. I guess you also forgot how Americans were held hostage in Iran just a couple years earlier and that Reagan knew he couldn’t allow that to happen, whether or not in your opinion it would have. There were many who felt the Soviets and the Cubans were looking to expand their operations in the Caribbean and were in the process of building infrastructure that would support a larger, foreign, communist force there. All that being said, the successful operation was over pretty quickly, and as you pointed out, problems with communications were found, and fixed for future engagements.

    Everyone involved in the invasion was a volunteer and the operation was successful. Why drone on about that, when you touched on a real military screw up that took place several days earlier in Lebanon? The stupidity that led to the deaths of those marines and soldiers should have caused high ranking officials to be reduced in rank and dishonorably discharged and, perhaps, the impeachment of Reagan for allowing such idiocy to take place.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Piglet
  187. @Kolya Krassotkin

    That tweet from Howard Dean reminds me how someone should do a study on the Obama Administration’s use of gender propaganda to keep the Afghanistan operation going. This was classic neoliberal feminist deep state shenanigans.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  188. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    EVERYWHERE seems to be ‘strategically vital.’

    That’s right. Godfree Roberts expressed it well in “The Birth of Eurasia.” https://www.unz.com/article/the-birth-of-eurasia/

    Colonial nations lost their political and economic freedom because imperial centers of capital needed to control resources crucial for their survival, wealth, and power[2].
    This is the real meaning of the terms ‘national security’ and ‘national interest.’ Powerful nations’ ‘national security’ is the control of an economic empire of subject states and the strategies through which this is carried out are their ‘national security secrets.’ They practice the antithesis of what they preach: their trumpeting of peace, freedom, justice, rights, democracy, and majority rule disguises those strategies for controlling other people and their resources be kept secret. The most pernicious is that multi-party democracy and a free press and must precede successful development.

    [2] Economic Democracy: The Political Struggle of the 21st Century. By J. W. Smith

  189. @Rich

    ‘…I don’t agree that we wouldn’t have gone in if we’d had a crystal ball back in Oct, 2001, in fact, we might have gone in even stronger. But, of course, we have no crystal ball and decisions are made based on the best information available at the time…’

    That the outcome of our continued presence in Afghanistan would be what it has been hardly required a ‘crystal ball’; both the Russians and the British had involuntarily demonstrated the futility of trying to make the Afghans behave, and I predicted what would ensue at the time. This an excusable error in judgement; it was inexcusable hubris and a refusal to face facts. We might as well have set about starting an oil palm plantation in Antarctica; we weren’t going to get anywhere, and we haven’t.

    The difficulty wasn’t in going in, it was in not going back out again.

    There was nothing to prevent us from simply deposing the government and leaving. The point would be to discourage repetition of the Taliban’s action; offering refuge to Osama bin Laden. That we had done; no government likes to get thrown out of power.

    What else have we accomplished since? What?

    The last fifteen years have not been ‘successful’ — militarily or otherwise. The situation is not improved in any respect from what it was fifteen years ago. How can you seriously claim that is ‘success’?

    This has been a pointless fiasco — a defeat. That fact may be unpleasant, but it remains a fact.

    • Replies: @Rich
  190. geokat62 says:

    Forget globalism. The topic on everyone’s lips in the coming decade is civic-nationalism versus ethno-nationalism. Two Englishmen debate their respective merits James Goddard VS Mark Collet Debate I Civic VS Ethnic Nationalism

    • Replies: @Paul C.
  191. @anonymous

    Since the end of WW2 Germany has been occupied by the USA for the benefit of the Jews. We’re the muscle, the jews are the bankers who kindly print our money and loan it back to us at interest. All wars are bankers wars, all bankers are jews, hence all wars benefit zion/jews. Close enough.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  192. @geokat62

    Must see, video, Palestinian Justice? ICC Opens War Crimes Investigation of Israel

    Thanks for all you hard work, geokat62. You provide the Unz community with a lot of valuable information.

    Very much appreciated and worth way more than a simple ‘Agree’ click.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  193. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    Over the past fifteen years the US has kept the Taliban out of power, Al Qaeda on its heels and a “friendly” government in power. That may not be salting the earth and enslaving the populace, but it still looks like winning. Whether or not we agree with the policy. I agree with you that a short bombing campaign along with deposing the government would probably have been more than enough, but still, I can’t call an obvious victory a defeat because I wasn’t in agreement with those who prosecuted, and continue to prosecute, this war.

    Maybe you’re right and it is “pointless”, it’s still a military success.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Biff
  194. geokat62 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Thanks for all you hard work, geokat62

    Thanks, Daniel Rich. It’s especially worthwhile doing it when you know good people like you appreciate the effort.

    Let’s keep waken ‘em up!

  195. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @peter mcloughlin

    “We talk a lot about history, but learn very little from it.“

    As someone once said: “The only thing we’ve learned from history is that we learn nothing from history” , or words to that effect.

    And so it goes…..

    Regards,onebornfree

  196. @Rich

    ‘Over the past fifteen years the US has kept the Taliban out of power, Al Qaeda on its heels and a “friendly” government in power…’

    And it lasts how long after we’ve left?

    Fifteen minutes?

    And we spend how many billions a year to keep a loony government from running the most worthless patch of rock in the Asian interior?

    And we’re to just keep spending it?

    You’d better hope we don’t enjoy any more ‘military successes’ like this one. That’d be the end.

    • Replies: @Rich
  197. Biff says:
    @Rich

    You’re the Black Knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

    • LOL: Rich
  198. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    Only 2,000 dead in 20 years, so they aren’t ever going to defeat the US militarily and the billions are greenbacks, not gold, so they will never run out. I don’t doubt that the US, like every other empire, will eventually fall, but I think that’s a long way off. For the foreseeable future the US will remain in the middle east and will probably continue to expand.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  199. @Rich

    It’s a special kind of stupid that terms the burning up of a trillion (borrowed) dollars along with some of the best available human capital a success. Do you also refer to your turds as valuable investments?

    • LOL: Kolya Krassotkin
  200. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    “The scumfucks will be flush with gold and passports for greener pastures, as America descends into an even deeper Orwellian police state horror show. Ron Paul was right about be careful for wishing for that wall, because it very well may be used to keep you in.”

    — The scumbags have nowhere to go, courtesy the scumbags themselves: https://consortiumnews.com/2019/12/21/pepe-escobar-you-say-you-want-a-russian-revolution/

    Martyanov is one of the very few analysts – always from different parts of Eurasia — who have warned about the danger of the U.S. “accidentally stumbling” into a war against Russia, China, or both which is impossible to be won conventionally, “let alone through the nightmare of a global nuclear catastrophe.”

    Is that enough to instill at least a modicum of sense into those who lord over that massive cash cow, the industrial-military-security complex? Don’t count on it.

    Moreover, it seems that the major scumbags can be targeted individually:

    In February 2019, Moscow announced the completion of tests of a nuclear-powered engine for the Petrel cruise missile. This is a subsonic cruise missile with nuclear propulsion that can remain in the air for quite a long time, covering intercontinental distances, and able to attack from the most unexpected directions. Martyanov mischievously characterizes the Petrel as “a vengeance weapon in case some among American decision-makers who may help precipitate a new world war might try to hide from the effects of what they have unleashed in the relative safety of the Southern Hemisphere.” …

    Top Pentagon officials such as General John Hyten, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs, have admitted on the record there are “no existing countermeasures” against, for instance, the hypersonic, Mach 27 glide vehicle Avangard (which renders anti-ballistic missile systems useless)… There are also no existing counter-measures against anti-shipping missiles such as the Zircon and Kinzhal.

    Any military analyst knows very well how the Kinzhal destroyed a land target the size of a Toyota Corolla in Syria after being launched 1,000 km away in adverse weather conditions.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Rurik
  201. Hibernian says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Condemning millions of Afghani women to the stone age by abandoning them?

    That’s their leadership’s fault, not ours.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  202. Hibernian says:
    @Rich

    Notice you didn’t address the calling for fire from a telephone booth issue.

    • Replies: @Rich
  203. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    To learn what exactly is celebrated by the Jews helps to understand what kind of people the many European societies have been dealing with during the last few hundred years:

    Exhibit one:”Blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock,” (Psalm 137:9).

    Exhibit two: The exploits of the promoscious and murderous Esther and her obnoxious and ungrateful “uncle” against Persians (the hosts): “Megillat Esther ends with the Jews carrying out a bloody battle [the strangely used word “battle” should be replaced with the word “murder”], in which more than 75,000 people lose their lives, and in which fear of death prompts countless others to feign Jewishness.”

  204. @Rich

    ‘For the foreseeable future the US will remain in the middle east and will probably continue to expand.’

    I thought you said we were winning.

    If we were still fighting on Guadalcanal, would you feel we were doing well in that war as well?

  205. annamaria says:
    @Rich

    “Al Qaeda has lost its base” — sure, and then relocated to Syria, with the help of the US and Israel: https://gabbard.house.gov/news/StopArmingTerrorists

    Under U.S. law it is illegal for any American to provide money or assistance to al-Qaeda, ISIS or other terrorist groups. If an American citizen gave money, weapons or support to al-Qaeda or ISIS, he or she would be thrown in jail. Yet the U.S. government has been violating this law for years, quietly supporting allies and partners of al-Qaeda, ISIL, Jabhat Fateh al Sham and other terrorist groups with money, weapons, and intelligence support, in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government

    “Western intervention has resulted in Afghanistan becoming the world’s first true narco-state:” https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jan/09/how-the-heroin-trade-explains-the-us-uk-failure-in-afghanistan

    Despite almost continuous combat since the invasion of October 2001, pacification efforts have failed to curtail the Taliban insurgency, largely because the US simply could not control the swelling surplus from the country’s heroin trade. Its opium production surged from around 180 tonnes in 2001 to more than 3,000 tonnes a year after the invasion…

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47861444

    The US has spent $1.5m (£1.15m) a day since 2001 fighting the opium war in Afghanistan. So why is business still booming? …
    When US and British forces invaded Afghanistan in October 2001, poppies were grown on around 74,000 hectares – 285 square miles. The new figures showed production had increased more than four-fold in 15 years: now opium was being grown on 328,000 hectares – 1,266 square miles.

    So much virtue! So much victory! — Including the young veterans, in their 20-s, suiciding themselves every single day in the US. But for the zionists like “Rich” the ziocons’ plans can only produce “victory.”

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  206. annamaria says:
    @Colin Wright

    Why don’t you check what year Afganistan had had its first-ever class of university-trained female medical doctors? And what country has helped to build the university. A hint — not the US.
    The US came to “improve” heroin production.
    “The mujahideen were eventually able to neutralize Soviet air power through the use of shoulder-fired antiaircraft missiles supplied by the Soviet Union’s Cold War adversary, the United States. … he mujahideen were fragmented politically into a handful of independent groups, and their military efforts remained uncoordinated throughout the war. The quality of their arms and combat organization gradually improved, however, owing to experience and to the large quantity of arms and other war matériel shipped to the rebels, via Pakistan, by the United States and other countries and by sympathetic Muslims from throughout the world. In addition, an indeterminate number of Muslim volunteers—popularly termed “Afghan-Arabs,” regardless of their ethnicity—traveled from all parts of the world to join the opposition.” https://www.britannica.com/event/Soviet-invasion-of-Afghanistan
    You protest too much.

  207. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:

    The number of Afghanis we’ve murdered (for apparently no reason) would equal 944,130 Americans if butchered by the Taliban.

    That’s more than twice the number of GIs who died in WWII.

    The USA treats non-Europeans, non-Israelis like dirt…then wonder why “terrorists” continue to target America.

    Do Evangelicals care?

  208. Anonymous[282] • Disclaimer says:

    >” Women are five times more likely to be sexually assaulted at the three military academies than at other US universities.”

    What counts as “assault”– being “looked at funny”?

    Also, why are assaults not only higher than military male-peer rates, but higher than for females in other colleges? I thought women were as rough-tough-dogged as men.

  209. @Hibernian

    Re: Their leadership’s fault.

    Yup, and the part that gripes my ass is having to bankroll it, especially when we’re doing it with borrowed Chicom dollars and when our infrastructure is collapsing.

  210. Paul C. says:
    @geokat62

    James represents the brainwashed masses. He’s against Islamic immigration but hasn’t a clue who controls and promotes it. He hasn’t even considered it. But he fervently supports the entity that seeks his destruction and enslavement.

    My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge.

    Thanks for sharing.

    • Agree: geokat62, ChuckOrloski
  211. @annamaria

    globalresearch.ca : “America created Al-Qaeda and the Isis terror group ” :
    “Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that Al Qaeda was unquestionably a product of Western Intelligence agencies [ he later died in a mysterious climbing accident]….America’s Middle-East policy revolves around oil and Israel [opium production was omitted] …ISIS is not merely an instrument of terror used by America to topple the Syrian government,it is also used to keep pressure on Iran .”
    Parts of ISIS have now been relocated to Afghanistan .

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @annamaria
  212. theamericanconservative.com : “America’s permanent-war complex ” By Gareth Porter

    “The years after [the false flag] attacks of 9/11 saw the national security organs acquire new missions , power and resources – all in the name of the “war on terror ” aka “the long war ” .The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were sold on that premise even though virtually no Al Qaeda remained in Afghanistan and none were in Iraq …Eisenhower was prophetic in his warning about the threat of the original military industrial complex …but it has become a much more serious menace to the American people that even Eisenhower could have anticipated . Now it is a system of war that powerful arms contractors ,their bureaucratic [and congressional and whitehouse ] allies may have the ability to maintain indefinitely .”

    thenation.com :” Trump is an aggressive arms dealer …it’s no secret that Donald Trump is one of the most aggressive arms salesmen in history …”

  213. Robjil says:

    The real reason that we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq is for Israel, our “best” ally.
    Afghanistan and Iraq are used as bases to “pinch” or threaten Iran.

    Here is a RT video from 7/22/09 in which Karen Kwiatkowski, an ex-Air force officer, explains all this. It is still a valid explanation for the reason that we are both nations today. It is all about threatening Iran for Israel.

    https://ww3zionism.blogspot.com/2009/07/us-will-stay-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-as.html

    • Agree: Desert Fox, annamaria
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  214. @Anonymous

    Do Evangelicals Care?

    Evangelical Zionism is a heresy. A Jewish sponsored heresy to control Christians in the U.S. and get people that you despise socially to support you politically. I am continually amazed by this dynamic. It is as though the Bible was never put into print.
    I doubt it has a future but who knows.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  215. annamaria says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Anything for the MIC and Eretz Israel, to the last drop of blood of “other” people. Bankers on the march.

  216. Rich says:
    @Hibernian

    Notice you didn’t read the last sentence in my first paragraph. Do you think there have been any similar problems since that operation? Would you say that small operation showed the military where some of its weaknesses were and that those problems were then addressed and fixed? And wouldn’t you say it was a pretty smart move to use that phone booth? Look, the Grenada expedition was successful, and it helped prepare the military for future operations. That’s pretty simple. Now the Beirut fiasco is the one I’d think you anti-US groupies would harp on, since that was one of the worst mistakes the US military has made.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Hibernian
  217. Robjil says:
    @Rich

    Israel would have preferred NATO to attack Lebanon. Israel first try on the Seven Nations Destroy game in 2006 did not work so good for Israel. Israel messed up Southern Lebanon but it was kicked out by Hezbollah.

    https://thepeopleofpakistan.wordpress.com/2010/02/08/nato-afghanistan-and-israel/

    In May 2006, eight NATO navy pieces arrived in Haifa ahead of Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. After the war, then Israeli foreign minister Tzipi Livni in her address at NATO-Israel relation seminar held at Herzylia, said: “Israel would have preferred NATO to do the job that Israel did in Lebanon”.

  218. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @By-tor

    Ok, let’s be clear… I am not necessarily for the “ninja-like” (as noted by some here 😀 ) coverings we see above, but on the other hand, the way I see it, the more westernised a person is, the more promiscuous he/she is (e.g. for the female kind, the miniskirt provides a reasonable glimpse into her sexual immorality).

    You may prefer a life of whoring or gigolo-ing or pimping for yourself, but surely there is something morally wrong with that, no?

    Don’t answer that, I know your kind, the kind who would take perverse pleasure in your own women getting ogled by strange men.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  219. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Let it go. The Iranians and Pakistanis can fight over it.

    Is this post peppered with sarcasm, or is that a discernible rightward shift from your normal stance? If the latter, you will be welcome to the dark side.

    They’ll want to keep a lid on the Sunni crazies

    To put it that way was somewhat silly of you, Colin Wright. You should understand that these are rather primitive people, kept primitive by outside forces evilly fomenting decades of bloody conflict. The ways of primitive people are generally crazy.

    It is also ironical given the fact that those outside forces have largely been, “Christian” barbarians/crazies.

    We can give it to them for Christmas

    Isn’t this idea of Christmas, itself a pagan concoction?

    • Replies: @Robjil
  220. @Robjil

    ‘he real reason that we are still in Afghanistan and Iraq is for Israel, our “best” ally.
    Afghanistan and Iraq are used as bases to “pinch” or threaten Iran…’

    While I agree our continuing presence in Afghanistan could serve that purpose, I suspect it lacks even that level of rationality.

    We’re still there because to leave is to admit we’ve lost. So we don’t leave.

    Afghanistan could be…I was going to say it could be in the middle of Asia and on the other side of the planet, but then I realized it is. We just stay there because it’s less humiliating than leaving.

  221. Robjil says:
    @anonymous

    The primitives at the Top of the west today are not Christian.

    They are 500 BC Zionists.

    Ever since 12.23.1913, the Primitives at top of the west and the Soviet Union were Jewish or for pro-Jewish interests.

    Thus, WWI was for the Balfour Declaration

    WWII was for Israel

    WWIII, of the present times, is for Eretz Yisrael, greater Israel

    This Afghanistan and Iraq occupation by ZUS is to hover over and bother Iran for Israel’s interests.

    The idea of Israel is primitive 500 BC thinking.

    We are living in a 500 BC Zion primitive fantasy world in the west these days. It is getting more and more primitive in the west.

    Look at the recent “Impeachment” trial. It was all about Trump not giving arms freely to the Zion puppet state of Ukraine, which it is since the ZUS coup of 2014. These arms were used to shell and kill civilians like they are Amalek. Amalek, collateral damage, is the most favorite and most primitive 500 BC Zion warfare of our Zion overlords.

  222. L.K says:
    @Colin Wright

    On the bright side, with the possible exception of Botswana, it’s difficult to think of a less strategically vital region than Afghanistan.

    LOL, clearly you ain’t got a clue!

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  223. Hibernian says:
    @Rich

    Would you say that small operation showed the military where some of its weaknesses were and that those problems were then addressed and fixed? And wouldn’t you say it was a pretty smart move to use that phone booth?

    I applaud the soldiers who used the phone booth for their ingenuity in a desperate situation. Your first sentence in the excerpt above doesn’t, to say the least, do justice to the fiasco.

  224. @L.K

    ‘LOL, clearly you ain’t got a clue!’

    Alright. Explain to me how a primitive area in the interior of Asia on the opposite of the planet is strategically vital to us — or, to put it differently, list all the places that are even less important. Notice how the Russians controlled it for nearly a decade — and we were able to simply look on with malicious glee.

    Yep — it’s absolutely critical who controls Afghanistan.

    Your logic simply and inevitably leads to feeling a compelling need to rule all — which is more or less our problem.

  225. @anonymous

    What a small-minded, fear-based world view you seem to have. I feel sorry for you, perhaps you would be more at home living alongside the Taliban.

  226. geokat62 says:

    Washington DC: Lighting of the National Menorah

    Description:

    “Lighting of the National Menorah in Washington D.C. on the first night of Hanukkah 2019”

    Top comments:

    Unpopular Politics
    We can’t have a cross during Christmas anymore but we can have this monstrosity of an eye-sore in front of our White House… If this isn’t proof that the Jews took over America since WWII, I don’t know what is.

    Constitution_89
    They took it over in 1913 with the so-called “Federal Reserve Act” of Treason. It’s amazing how far this country has fallen in 106 years since. I’d much prefer seeing a nuke detonate right now than to see this desecration. It was Western Civilization that lost in WW2, the Zionist’s and Communist’s won.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  227. @anonymous

    If you really knew Angela Merkel, you would not have called her a Zionist whore. She isn’t! No leader foiled more Zionist crimes and schemes against Germany and the European Union. Then again, if you think the Zionists are behind the establishment of the European Union, you would not understand her achievements. If she has now signed Hizbollah to be added to the terrorist list, how long she has been resisting the Zionist pressure? How long ago the US caved in and added Hizbollah to the terrorist list?

    That tells something about the mettle of Angela Merkel compared with American leaders.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  228. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Further to my previous post:

  229. geokat62 says:

    Happy Hanukkah!

  230. niceland says:

    The establishment outlet; Washington Post publishing “secrets” about the war in Afghanistan? “The Afghan Papers”

    Reading this stuff can only lead to one conclusion. This is released and published to galvanize the narrative about this war. The discussion is along the lines – mistakes, wrong planning. If we only had more insert {time, money, political support, intel}… we would have won! Well, won what exactly?

    This is astroturf to lead the discussion astray from the bigger questions about the war. Number one is WHY? It’s painfully obvious by now mister Bin Laden wasn’t the reason, according to the official story he is long dead and this changed nothing.

    Another difficult one is the legality of it? The war crimes?

    As to why, probable reasons are several. Number one is the foothold situation in Eurasia for the Empire. Heartland theories and such. Afghanistan might not be important for the U.S in obvious way but it’s important to it’s neighbors who happen to oppose the Empire. Russia, Iran, and even China. Eurasia is the world’s chessboard for empires.

    Then we have the energy picture with potential and real pipelines. Wast potential mining resources; iron, copper, lithium, gold. And let’s not overlook the Opium. The Taliban regime wiped out the opium fields. It was applauded by the U.N. and some cooperation and grants were in the works to find new crops. Just before the invasion something like 5% of the opium fields were still operating. This changed right away after the U.S. invaded and quickly reverted to prior levels, only to multiply since then. By now it’s estimated 90% of worlds heroin comes from Afghanistan! Right under the nose of the most powerful military in the world? War on drugs anyone?

    Que bono? A sizable chunk of the enormous sums of money spent on the war was funneled right back to the U.S. or never left. Weapons manufactures and the contractors. Military spending has gone through the roof in comparison to the short post cold war era. And the gaping black hole in the books of the pentagon DOD has exploded the annual leak seems to be enough money to run a small European country. The “war on terror” is great business and fantastic bullshit story.

    The real cost of the war is then paid by the hundreds of thousand dead Afghans (one million?). People run from their homes, wounded, terrorized and so forth. And of course by the the soldiers and veterans back home who are now committing suicide in record numbers after their heroic part in the “War on Terror”.

    These are difficult subjects and not good public discussion, after all this is still going on and the narrative must be kept whole. Some bickering about corrupt Afghan officials and bad military decisions and technicalities about the war are god-sent in comparison for the establishment. This is why they choose to publish this nothing-burger.

    It’s possible the real objectives were met and the war in Afghanistan goes -more or less- as planned and will do so for decades to come.

    See: https://off-guardian.org/2019/12/15/the-afghanistan-papers-deep-state-narrative-management/

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Biff
    , @anon
  231. Biff says:
    @niceland

    That’s a great link. I like the bullet point justifications for the endless occupation that it is(for the time being).

    The permanent slow-simmer conflict gives them an excuse to keep thousands of US military personnel in a country which borders Iran, Pakistan AND China. (Not to mention a host of ex-Soviet states).

    It keeps military expenditure nice and high, so Congressman, ex-generals and everyone else on the boards of Boeing or Lockheed Martin get great big bonuses every year.
    They have sole access to the rare-Earth elements and other vital metals in the Afghan mountains. Lithium, most importantly of all.

    They have control of the world’s opium industry. A vital cog in the relations of the US intelligence agencies, and organised crime. It’s essentially reverse money-laundering – turning tax-payer funds into dark money that can be spent hiring mercenaries, organising assassinations, arranging coups…or simply be stolen.

    They have access to all the “radicalised” young men they could ever want. A little Jihadi farm, where “terrorists” can be named, trained and sent off to fight proxy wars in Syria, or spread fear and chaos in the West.

    • Agree: niceland, annamaria
  232. ThomasT says:

    Afghan was a great success, under the pretext that OBL attacked the US with holograms, (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_jD4rZz3_4), the clever Murikans have ensured their annaual 800Billion$ heroin Industry is well protected and flourishes.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  233. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anderson43

    [If she has now signed Hizbollah to be added to the terrorist list, how long she has been resisting the Zionist pressure?]

    I want to go with you, but knowing the history of Germany, I cannot. Germany is a colony of the US control by the Jewish mafia. Its foreign policy, is very much pro Zionist. I know the Jewish mafia was angry with Merkel, not only on question of Hizbullah, but also Iran. They wanted her 100% in their pocket, and now they got what they wanted.

    Tony Blair, the Jewish mafia pimp, in an interview said: Corbyne killed himself because “he was against the Western foreign policy”, which means he was not 100%, like me, in the pocket of the zionist Jews.

    The criminal Jewish zionists were complaining about Iran as well, that Merkel is not cooperating the way they want, but it was not entirely true. Since The Jewish mafia stooge, Trump, left JCPOA, Merkel and Macron, servant of Rothschild family, have done nothing to do part of their responsibility to help Iran, rather both France, Germany and Britain have done everything to make Iran to surrender. That’s why Merkel is following the order to put Hizbullah on the list, where Israel and criminal Jewish Mafia including Trump should be on that list. This step is taken against Iran. It does not matter, if she want or not, she has to do it. When you are working as part of team of mass murderers, then you have to follow the orders. She wants to be taken seriously, therefore, she has to kill, starve children to stay in power. Would you or any decent person do it? I don’t think so.

    Germany is deeply in the criminal Jewish mafia pocket. It is so sad to see a nation turned into slaves. I hate the ‘green party’ because they are FAKE and not left. They were stooges of Israel, more than Markel. The green party, everywhere is influenced heavily by the zionist Jews pro Israel,.

    Trump is following the road map for his masters, the Jewish mafia, step by step.
    He makes a lot of lies and propaganda like “troop out of Syria”, or “peace with Taliban”, or ‘troop out of Afghanistan’, where ALL are LIES.
    US is training and Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS like group, because they are following the ‘road map’ of partition of Iraq. So, the colonies including Germany and Merkel are following the order.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  234. @anonymous

    Agree, would add that AL CIADA and all off shoot there of, ie NURSA etc are also creations of the ZUS and Israel and ZEngland and NATO and Turkey.

    • Agree: annamaria
  235. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @niceland

    Excellent post, especially that you firmly denounced the WaPo’s limited hangout.

    This is released and published to galvanize the narrative about this war. The discussion is along the lines – mistakes, wrong planning. If we only had more insert {time, money, political support, intel}… we would have won! Well, won what exactly?

    This [Washington Post’s the “The Afghan Papers”] is astroturf to lead the discussion astray from the bigger questions about the war.

  236. @Johnny Rico

    earthisland.org ” Afghanistan :It’s all about oil ” :
    “For the first year of Taliban rule , US policy towards the regime appears to have been determined principally by UNOCAL’s interests [in building an oil pipeline across Afghanistan]…The Taliban were big oil’s favorite sons[for a while] …The September 11 attack provided the Bush-Cheney team with the opportunity to use the US military to pave the way for Big-Oil’s long-sought Afghan oil route.”

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  237. thenation.com ” The Afghan pipeline you don’t know about ” By Tom Dispatch :
    ” Construction of the pipeline could theoretically begin in 2010 . Put the emphasis on theoretically because the pipeline is once again to run straight through Kandahar and so directly into the heartland of the Taliban insurgency …American and NATO troops could one day be directly protecting and [still]dying for the investments of big oil in a new version of the old ‘imperial great game’ with a special modern emphasis on pipeline politics .”

  238. Piglet says:
    @Rich

    There was a time, long ago, when I accepted without question any US military action. It was as if it was ordained by God Himself, and the US military was His Hand on earth. It hadn’t occurred to me that our glorious leaders in DC are blatant liars who look upon We the Sheeple with contempt and lie to us unceasingly. Now I know better.

    To answer your question, no, I was never in engineer unit. Over the course of several decades in uniform I served in a variety of units and positions, the most notable of which was Airborne infantry, and I trained with Airborne and special operations forces around the world.

    You wrote: “I guess you also forgot how Americans were held hostage in Iran just a couple years earlier and that Reagan knew he couldn’t allow that to happen, whether or not in your opinion it would have.”

    From the article below: Asked by journalists if there was any concrete information about threats to Americans in Grenada, the White House spokesman responded: “Nothing that I know of.”

    You wrote: “There were many who felt the Soviets and the Cubans were looking to expand their operations in the Caribbean and were in the process of building infrastructure that would support a larger, foreign, communist force there.”

    As you’ll read below, that turned out to be a total fabrication.

    You wrote: “Everyone involved in the invasion was a volunteer and the operation was successful.” I too was a volunteer, as was everyone in uniform after the end of the draft in 1973. That does not mean, however, that we were saps who had no objection to being lied to, being used to gain political points, or being maimed or killed in pointless, unnecessary military actions.

    In any case, without further ado, here’s what really happened in Grenada. Note: This is just an excerpt from the chapter in William Blum’s book Killing Hope. The full chapter provides even more information that validates my points.

    Grenada 1979-1984
    Lying — one of the few growth industries in Washington

    http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/Grenada_KH.html

    • Replies: @Rich
  239. anon[372] • Disclaimer says:
    @Daniel Rich

    King Agamemnon was required to sacrifice his daughter before the Greek fleet set sail for Troy. The purported reason was to appease Poseidon and get a favorable wind for sailing. An underlying reason may have been that the troops required their leaders to show a serious intent before they would agree to go into battle with them.
    “You want us to go to war for you? Let us see you sacrifice your daughter first…”

    Not a bad custom in my opinion!

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  240. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    the Petrel as “a vengeance weapon in case some among American decision-makers who may help precipitate a new world war might try to hide from the effects of what they have unleashed in the relative safety of the Southern Hemisphere.” …

    It sure would be nice to think that there are contingency plans to visit certain parts of Patagonia if America’s ((decision makers)), try to hole up there.

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article198968.html

    Owner of 175 companies, including restaurant chains and Tottenham Hotspur football club – whose fans call themselves the « Yid Army » – the very discreet billionaire Joe Lewis speculates on the exchange market in partnership with his friend George Soros.

    In the 21st century, benefitting from the advantages offered them by the Falklands War Treaty, the United Kingdom and Israël are now setting up a new project Patagonia.

    British billionaire Joe Lewis has acquired immense territories in the South of Argentina and even neighbouring Chile. His properties cover areas several times larger than the State of Israël. They are situated in Tierra del Fuego, at the extreme Southern point of the continent. In particular, they surround the Lago Escondido, which effectively denies access to the entire region, despite a legal injunction.

    The billionaire has built a private airport with a two kilometre landing strip, in order to be able to receive civil and military aircraft.

    Since the Falklands War, the Israëli army has been organising « holiday camps » (sic) in Patagonia for its soldiers. Between 8,000 and 10,000 of them now come every year to spend two weeks on Joe Lewis’ land.

    While in the 1970’s, the Argentinian army noted the construction of 25,000 empty houses, which gave rise to the myth of the Andinia Plan, hundreds of thousands have been built today.

    It is impossible to verify the state of the construction work, since these are private lands, and Google Earth has neutralised the satellite photographs of the area, just as it does with NATO’s military installations.

    Neighbouring Chile has handed over a submarine base to Israël. Tunnels have been dug in order to survive the polar winter.

    I hope you had a very Merry Christmas, Annamaria, and all the good people of Unz.

    May God bless you, and in the coming year.. give this planet a break from the Satanic scum that menaces it, and all of its wondrous, miraculous life.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  241. annamaria says:
    @Rurik

    Merry Christmas, dear Rurik. Let’s continue rooting for the miracle of life on this planet.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  242. Rurik says:
    @annamaria

    With pleasure!

    God bless.

  243. Rich says:
    @Piglet

    Wasn’t William Blum some kind of a communist sympathizer? Why would you quote a known anti-American author and expect to be taken seriously. Should I quote an article from David Petreaus for balance? I was also in the US Army during the Grenada campaign, though I didn’t participate, and I don’t remember anyone complaining about the operation. It’s interesting that you claim to have spent “decades” in the military but are unable to separate the politics from the very short, successful action.

    And by the way, what in Heaven’s name is this Blum character writing about looting the Cuban embassy? What could anyone have looted? A cigar? Give me a break. Find a better source, then get back to me.

    • Replies: @Biff
  244. john2 says:

    Philip
    I agree, sort of. The war was never one to be won, but one to be fought…Why…

    Bleed the USA of money and hand it to the zionist bankers and financiers.
    Continue bleeding the entire world of cash for the zionists.
    Grow opium for the goy. Make money!
    Control the pipeline…which is seldom mentioned. Make money.
    Make debt
    Control the lithium, rare earth metals and such.
    Make the USA weak.
    Subjugate the entire US population to zionist rule.

    Like the oil in Syria, the zionists like the riches found in Afghanistan and that of the USA.
    BDS to the MAX!

  245. @anonymous

    Anonymous 307, you may have had a point in your post about the possible criminality of the Bush regime, and the influence of certain tribal peoples on US government policy, but the image you have chosen to illustrate said corruption and evil is from a German pornographic film, NOT US soldiers.

  246. sensen22 says:

    War, like trade, should never be left to politicians.

  247. Biff says:
    @Rich

    Wasn’t William Blum some kind of a communist sympathizer?

    Not even close..

    • Replies: @Rich
  248. Rich says:
    @Biff

    Biff, I rarely find anything interesting in your comments, though I admit that once in a while I get a chuckle out of them. From the little I know of this Blum character, he was apparently sympathetic to the Bolsheviks, Castro’s thugs and the reds in Vietnam. This would make him a “communist sympathizer”.

  249. Hajjar says:

    The afganistan papers are backing the false narrative that says muslims did 911. Read Christopher bollyn books or watch johnny gats videos. More and more people have woken up.

  250. Buddy says:

    The details of contractor corruption and mission drift in Afghanistan are loose change compared to the main purpose of both Russia and the US invading Afghanistan in sequence- to set off Pike’s prophetic WWIII, zion versus islam, needed for jews to reclaim the Dome of the Rock and proclaim their king, the mosiach, or lucifer. WWIII or the GWOT is the immediate precursor stage before judaism’s asinine messianic age. Russian invasion of Afghanistan set the stage by creating an islamic holy warrior archtype out of patriotic Pushtun stock. 9/11 falseflag by the Israeli state blaming Islamics holed up in Afghanistan was the trigger for American invasion in turn. Ultimately there is to be war on the Iranian people to smokescreen the final expulsion of Palestinians and demolition of Al Aqsa. By that time the global surveillance dragnet will be installed in Israel thanks to American tech transfer establishing Intel in Israhell. Your social credit score will be low if you dare even look at the camera wrong. Orwell will be fully vindicated. That’s the reason for war in Afghanistan.

    Afghanistan more than almost any other nation has a long history of fighting invasion, thus mustering a plausible adversary to begin WWIII was easiest amongst fierce Pushtuns who had proved their worth against the British and hindustanis there in the Hindu Kush. Russia invaded following CIA sponsored terror by paid agents provocateurs in the winter of 1977-8 on the heels of unseating Zahir Shah in the early seventies with jewish Communism. It was well known and studied that a mujahideen archtype could be quickly developed in Afghanistan, and even CIA agent Obama was posted several months to assist in enrollment of the mujahideen at madrassas. Russia invaded on time coinciding with the Jonathan Conference announcing GWOT along with installing the mullahs in Tehran and taking embassy hostages. Russia and the US are currently both ‘fighting islamic terror’ per their Chabad minded scripts. Historically the US has assisted Russia by supplying Bolsheviks from NYC and nuclear secrets and materials right out of the Manhattan Project, and Russian leaders can be counted on from Stalin to Putin to keep a straight face before their people as if they were not just puppets being controlled on the other side of sanhedrin’s curtain.

  251. @9/11 Inside job

    My question still stands. And it raises others. Like how you could believe that nonsense was the reason for anything. And what oil was that pipeline intended to carry? And to whom?

    You’ve seen Afghanistan on a map, right?

  252. @ANZ

    Brilliant distillation of consequence as enormous at the Jew (John 8:44) devil’s war against goodness itself:

    The Fed’s role in all this warmongering and funding cannot be understated. All of this war spending is taken on through the “inflation tax,” which is nothing more than theft from anyone living in the U.S. or holding dollars. It is a luciferean way to promote death and destruction in order t(o) further spread the dominion of the cabal that seeks to rule the world.

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