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Back in February 2003 my wife and I joined twenty other Americans standing on the corner near my small Virginia town’s only traffic light to hold up signs protesting the impending invasion of Iraq by U.S. forces. Some drivers honked approval and waved while others flipped us off. Two years later, after the war had devolved into an occupation, we joined a quarter of a million demonstrators in Washington D.C., demanding an end to the killing that had characterized the George W. Bush’s “global war on terror” (GWOT). It was the first and only time I have marched for peace. I was not particularly surprised to note on the following day that the neocon Washington Post had decided not to cover the event.

Coming from a family that had sent its men off to fight in every war since World War One and having myself been drafted for Vietnam, I have long esteemed America’s citizen soldiers, which is not to say I believe in the legitimacy of the wars that have sucked them in and killed them in large numbers. During Vietnam I noted that many of my college classmates were anti-war solely because of concern for their own well-being, not because they had any deep understanding of or interest in what might be at stake in Southeast Asia. Little did they care for what was happening to the Vietnamese people or to the Americans sent to kill them. After my time in the Army, passed relatively painlessly in Berlin, I spent seventeen years with the CIA, mostly overseas. So I am not by nature anti-war and accept that a certain level of conflict is part and parcel of the human DNA, but there was something particularly awful about Iraq, a war that was largely engineered by a small group of chickenhawk neoconservatives in the Pentagon and White House contrary to any actual American interests.

The debate over Iraq produced what might be described as a tectonic shift in terms of how the United States saw itself. An America which had been intermittently engaged in wars all around the globe under the perhaps misleading pretext that they were temporary blips on the screen had been transformed after 9/11 into a nation possessed of steely resolve where war would be a permanent state both in theory and practice. Iraq would be the first step in transforming the entire Middle East, “draining the cesspit” as the neocons preferred to describe it. The actual terrorist threat against the United States was magnified far beyond reality and came to dominate the thinking of the nation’s elites. The ascent of an “anti-war” Democrat to the White House changed nothing with the global conflict expanding to Libya and Yemen, continuing to follow the trail blazed by George W. Bush, though the GWOT has been euphemistically relabeled “overseas contingency operations.”

But along the way something unusual happened. After the Obama Administration had successfully helped engineer a “humanitarian” regime change in Libya, an intervention that proved disastrous both for the Libyan people and for American interests, it again played the same card. The White House, ignoring warnings from the intelligence community, resorted to the time honored practice of deceptively framing some particularly dodgy information about what was allegedly happening in Syria. The Administration and many hawks in Congress jumped on board, claiming that “red lines” had been crossed, and calling for direct American intervention in what was a civil war. Few were observant enough to point out that it was like pouring gasoline on a fire, using armed force in an attempt to resolve a conflict that actually had come about because of the invasion of Iraq and other ill-advised moves directed against the Syrian regime. The cruise missiles were primed to launch when, to the surprise of nearly everyone, the public opposition to the proposed escalation of yet another war in Asia was immediate and extreme, forcing the White House to back down.

Obama, for all his faults as a leader, apparently did read at least some of the tea leaves after correcting course on Syria. He decided that the ongoing confrontation with Iran served no purpose and could be resolved by diplomacy rather than another war. He put all his eggs in that basket and persevered in spite of persistent attacks from Republicans and neoconservatives while the process was unfolding.

The debate over Iran has indeed opened up a great divide between those who look to purely military solutions to the world’s problems and those who do not. It also demonstrated the fundamental intellectual emptiness of the purveyors of America the Warlike while the sheer ignorance of the opposition to the deal has itself been revealing. Senator Rand Paul for example, who many had hoped would be a voice of reason in the GOP, signed on to a Senator Tom Cotton letter maintaining that an incoming Republican president could and should revoke any Obama “executive agreement” with Iran. Paul then followed up with an assertion that diplomacy must always be backed up by the threat of military force. In so doing he revealed that he understands neither diplomacy nor the appropriate use of the military. Diplomacy is a process in which negotiators exploit common ground to gradually expand the areas in which one might find agreement. It is never intended to achieve 100% of one’s objectives but it is instead designed to produce a result that benefits everyone involved. The military meanwhile, according to the Constitution, exists to defend the United States against direct threats to its territorial integrity, not to force compliance from foreign regimes that do not pose a threat.

Last Wednesday’s Obama speech defending the agreement subtly made the point that America should perhaps go about its foreign policy differently. To be sure, he exaggerated when describing a failure to ratify the agreement as inevitably leading to war as the rest of the world will choose to ignore whatever Washington decides and it will be business as usual with Tehran. The speech was also replete with the usual bromides about “our dear friend and ally” Israel as well as a dangle of yet more money for Tel Aviv and careful avoidance of any mention of Israel’s own nuclear arsenal. It also chose to ignore completely Benjamin Netanyahu’s blatant interference in our political process, both through his own outrageous direct address to America’s Jewish community and through his current hosting of 58 Congressmen on a visit to Israel where they will be shamelessly lied to and cajoled.

But for the first time Obama spoke about American interests trumping those of Israel, that it would be an “abrogation of his constitutional responsibility” to behave otherwise. He also called out the neoconservatives explicitly and Israel Lobby implicitly, even though somewhat elliptically, stating that the same crowd that demanded war with Iraq is doing it again, that they have a “preference for military action over diplomacy.” He concluded by asking the American public to tell their representatives what kind of country they want to have, good advice indeed.

The neocon reaction to Obama was immediate. Some websites labeled him an anti-Semite. Three prominent Jewish congressmen Senator Chuck Schumer and Representatives Eliot Engel and Brad Sherman announced that they would oppose the agreement. Schumer, who has described himself as the Senate’s “guardian for Israel,” expects to become the Senate minority leader next year in spite of his apparent conflicted loyalty.

There was also a push from the neocon dominated media. On Friday the Washington Post published no less than four op-eds attacking the deal, by Charles Krauthammer, Michael Gerson, Ray Takeyh and David Ignatius. The New York Times ran a front page story suggesting that Obama had gone too far in his criticism of AIPAC. It also featured a completely ridiculous op-ed by its token (neo)conservative David Brooks, claiming that “Iran is a fanatical, hegemonic, hate-filled regime” that had with the agreement “won” a war against the United States. Minus the “hegemonic” the vitriol would be better applied to Israel. In publishing the piece, the Times failed to disclose Canadian-born Brooks’s well attested own passionate attachment to Israel and that his son is serving in the Israeli Defense Forces.

Obama was inevitably careful in his critique of who is behind the war party and I personally would have liked him to put some teeth into his comments by immediately afterwards firing the State Department’s Victoria Nuland to demonstrate that he was serious. And, of course, he inevitably avoided indicting his own liberal interventionists who have inadvertently both aided and expanded the neocon agenda: Susan Rice at the White House and Samantha Power at the United Nations.

The agreement with Iran can nevertheless be rightly seen as a potential turning point, just as momentous as the events post 9/11 that led to the move to the dark side followed by the disastrous war with Iraq. It is a concession that the United States can obtain most of what it wants without bombing or killing anyone and that Washington does not have to be at war with everyone forever. But if Obama is beaten on this make no mistake it will be a catastrophic defeat of the President of the United States inflicted by the Israel Lobby and we can look forward to years more of Middle Eastern wars on behalf of Netanyahu and his extremist friends. And no president will ever again dare to challenge Israel, meaning that U.S. foreign policy will be permanently outsourced to a foreign country. This is why the outcome is critically important and it is why I and many like-minded individuals keep talking and writing about it even though we have all become somewhat Iran-fatigued.

So I will continue to pester my audience in favor of the Iran agreement at least until our Congress votes on the issue in September. It is an opportunity not to be missed, not only for the sake of the bilateral relationship with Iran but also for its final rejection of neocon foreign policy. It might also signify that America the Warlike could be reconsidering the consequences of its past fifteen years of folly and may be ready to begin bringing its soldiers home.

 
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  1. Very convincing without even mentioning the killer argument, namely that America had and had an extraordinarily weak hand when it depends upon the UN and specifically China, Russia et al. to maintain the sanctions on Iran, the lifting of which are the consideration for what Iran has agreed to.

  2. Quercus says:

    Thank you, Phil, for the article.

    Such a silly, small minded, absurd set is that pro Israel crowd.
    They are not worried about the alleged military threat iran could pose, but rather the very real economic and cultural ‘threat’ it poses. A large, young, progressive, and generally well educated populace with a great potential for creativity. Didn’t an Iranian woman win a very prestigious math prize just last year? I don’t think it was reported in the Israeli papers, after all it didn’t conform to the Zionist view of the supremacy of the Jewish intellect. God, could they be sillier?
    Could Israel be a sillier place?

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  3. The Montreal AIPAC lobby (including Liberal’s Cotler who gave the YES to authorize a NATO intervention that completely destroyed Libya) are in full propaganda mode to intervene militarily and ”protect religious minorities” in foreign countries, including the Bahá’í Faith and MEK friends (”artists”) — refugees in Canada.

    Steven Harper, the Kissinger’s puppet, is currently leading an aggressive campaign to be elected in the province of Quebec, in order to continue to use the CFBs Bagotville and Valcartier (Syria, Ukraine, Poland, and eventually Iran) illegally, as they did for Libya which they destroyed completely. This followed the Francophone (or ”climate change” summit) of Gates and the Pentagon friends in Quebec that led to the occupation of Africa (Africom.mil). And to the pseudo remote-controlled ”revolutions” in North Africa, including the destruction of Libya.

    Regarding Kissinger’s friend Mister Schumer, and considering the devastation of Libya, we want explanations and solid evidence verified by the intelligence of all NATO countries on his affirmation that Gaddafi was responsible for the PAN AM 103 ”accident”.

    We also want to know what really happened to Christopher Stevens.

    Considering that Canadian are now asked to collaborate with Europe (12 new US-NATO military bases in Europe) via public and private corporations, under the pretext that Canada, particularly french-speaking Canadians, have special ”cultural affinities” with European countries, Canadians have the right to have access to these information and evidence.

  4. alexander says:

    “So I will continue to pester my audience in favor of the Iran agreement…”

    Pester away, Mr Giraldi,;….Pester Away !

  5. Seraphim says:

    The situation is indeed very grave, if the AIPAC and consorts had to bring in the default threat: antisemitism. And that against the President who lighted more Hanukkah candles and held more Passover Seders than anyone else.

    • Replies: @Ivan
    , @Orville H. Larson
  6. Socioeconomically and racially-ethnically I’m pretty much an average American. Recently, in the past two or three years, I have noticed that increasing numbers of my friends and associates are actively expressing or at least sympathizing with a distaste for Israel, its fascist bellicosity, and the sock puppet control it seems to have over American politicians. AIPAC money and Israeli influence over the media may someday soon no longer count against the will of the people expressed in the ballot box. Trump has demonstrated that our native oligarchs — who have a very large overlap with the AIPAC crowd — are beginning to lose control of issues regarding border control, immigration and naturalization, globalization, and de-industrialization. This may be a bellwether for a change in US public opinion regarding foreign policy towards Israel and the Middle East.

    Keep up the good work, Mr. Giraldi. I advise readers to contact their Senator and Representative in support of BO on this issue. It’s too importatnt to let partisanship and ideology divide us against a common concern.

    • Replies: @Graybeard
  7. Ivan says:
    @Seraphim

    The Lobby does not pay for goods already delivered. It is like a version of the Islamic god, one infarction and you are out.

    • Replies: @Shafi
  8. The agreement with Iran can nevertheless be rightly seen as a potential turning point, just as momentous as the events post 9/11 that led to the move to the dark side followed by the disastrous war with Iraq. It is a concession that the United States can obtain most of what it wants without bombing or killing anyone and that Washington does not have to be at war with everyone forever.

    I endorse your passion, Phil, but I am fearful that the terms of the Agreement make it not so much a turning point or even an opening, as was Nixon’s opening to China, but rather a long-sought breach through which USA and Israel may work from inside Iran to wage war by other means.

    I don’t trust the USA nor certainly should Israel ever be trusted.

    Twice in this calendar year USA has revealed that IAEA has breached its confidential relationship with Iran and provided information to USA. In March 2015 LA Times reported that IAEA provided “voluminous data about Iran’s program” which the USA used to construct a mock-up of Iranian facilities in Oak Ridge, Tenn.

    Dr. Dan Joyner has special expertise on international and NPT law. He wrote:

    This isn’t the first time that concerns have been raised about the IAEA’s inability to keep confidential information obtained through safeguards implementation in Iran. Iranian officials have complained of exactly this sort of thing happening before. And, coincidentally, the IAEA just today released a statement by Iran communicated to the agency, which on page 3 contains an entire section devoted to expressing Iran’s concerns about the IAEA’s inability to keep information gained through safeguards implementation confidential.

    Then, just last week, Wendy Sherman told Bob Corker’s Senate committee that although the agreement between Iran and IAEA is confidential, just as is USA’s agreement with IAEA, she and her “experts” had seen “drafts” of that confidential agreement in the course of their negotiations in Vienna. She told Corker’s committee that she would “share what I have” with the senate, in closed session.

    Inasmuch as
    ~Obama repeated in his speech that the USA still held the option to go to war against Iran at the ready;

    ~Netanyahu has already said Israel reserves the right to kill more Iranian nuclear scientists. As Joyner’s article indicated, their identities are likely revealed through IAEA confidentiality breaches;

    ~California representative Brad Sherman outlined a strategy by which Democrats should vote for the Agreement “because Obama is too powerful for us to oppose it;” wait out the remainder of Obama’s administration; then seat a new president who is more “willing” to demand that the Agreement be re-negotiated (a fanciful notion to be sure; war is what is really on Sherman’s To Do list);

    I don’t think it’s just the Israel lobby that is opposed to the Agreement.

    Nor do I believe that those legislators who have indicated they will support the Agreement view it as a turning point in a positive sense. One fence-sitting legislator who was lobbied by activists for Iran was persuaded to vote For the Agreement when he learned that some Iranians are vocal in their opposition to their government. That is, that senator sees the Agreement as a vehicle to accomplish what the US has no right to attempt but has been working on for decades anyway, regime change in Iran.

    For USA to be at a “turning point” requires a change in “hearts and minds” of American leaders and people.

    I have been advocating for Iran and a “turn” in US-Iran relations for over seven years. I try to humanize Iran by reading Iran’s epic, the Shahnameh, to children’s groups; by hosting Now Rooz celebrations, and other ways to make Americans aware of the rich culture and qualitatively distinct people of ancient and modern Iran.

    I have serious reservations about lobbying Congress to approve the deal. I actually think the best thing that could happen is for congress to vote it down with enough votes to frustrate a veto. The blame that will follow will spotlight the evildoers and, Deo volente shame them into a change in their thinking processes.

    Sanctions will dissolve more or less gradually without an Agreement. Other nations will do business with Iran but USA will be shut out. I don’t want to see my countrymen suffer, but we have been willing to “strangle and bite” Iran with sanctions; we Americans need to reform our thinking about the suffering we impose on other countries in the name of foreign policy.

    In a scenario where the Agreement is rejected by US congress, any inspection regime that is above and beyond the standard NPT obligations plus Additional Protocol would be eliminated. While IAEA would still have access and, because it in the pocket of US officials, its confidentiality will be suspect, the temptation for USA to take advantage of access to Iran’s defense secrets will be minimized.

    Those who advocate for the Palestinian people should be concerned about this Agreement. It hobbles Iran, which is what it is intended to do, and favors Israel, which happens no matter what the American people wish.

    • Agree: Vendetta
    • Replies: @Vendetta
  9. Sherman says:

    Let’s see, Iran has 24 days to allow inspectors to visit nuclear facilities for “spot” inspection. This 24 day period could start days or even weeks after Iran prepares paperwork to approve the visit.

    I’m not a nuclear physicist but this deal does not exactly seem airtight.

  10. Graybeard says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    Completely agree.

    Except you’re not an average American. You can string sentences together to compose a coherent paragraph, without an expletive.

  11. conatus says:

    In all this talk of the danger of a nuclear armed Iran I rarely see any discussion of the Samson option.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
    Israel has 80-90 nuclear weapons with deliverability and has tested them. Iran has done neither and has none so what’s with the Big Scare?
    I would be more afraid of Israel using the Samson option since they have actually discussed it s use as a last resort…and why not? If your back is against the wall you are about to be shot down by a firing squad and you have a nuke(credit card sized in the future) on you that will bring everybody down, the firing squad and the local neighborhood too, why not use it?
    The thinking is “The world ends with me.”

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  12. Sam Shama says:

    After my time in the Army, passed relatively painlessly in Berlin, I spent seventeen years with the CIA, mostly overseas. So I am not by nature anti-war and accept that a certain level of conflict is part and parcel of the human DNA, but there was something particularly awful about Iraq, a war that was largely engineered by a small group of chickenhawk neoconservatives in the Pentagon and White House contrary to any actual American interests.

    Dr. Giraldi,
    Could not agree more with that statement.

    There is, in the comments in these pages of UR, an unrealistic despair about the power of Lobby over American life. No doubt Congress is compromised. Perhaps even a large part of the media. My sense however, is that most of these actors in the media etc., are lemmings, following the calls of the vocal lot.

    I really believe that the cure is much simpler than many think. All we need is one POTUS, who can publicly rebuke the AIPAC, Saban and Adelson’s subversive activities, tell Netanyahu to NOT interfere in the domestic politics of the U.S.A. He might need to keep up the rebuke and public discussion for a period of time in the face of much “media” opposition.

    This will have an immediate effect of totally collapsing Netanyahu’s government in Tel Aviv. The Israeli population WILL NOT support ANYONE who they see as undermining that country’s relationship with the USA. Similarly in this country I am rather sure that American Jews are fed up with AIPAC (I have conducted a private email poll of about 75 individuals spread across the East and West coasts, and I believe my sample is unbiased and representative).

    In this connection American Jews, who agree with this post, should stop contributing to these organisations. Period.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  13. annamaria says:

    “~Netanyahu has already said Israel reserves the right to kill more Iranian nuclear scientists. As Joyner’s article indicated, their identities are likely revealed through IAEA confidentiality breaches”

    This is an extraordinary important statement that must heralded on public square. This is a rot to the core.

  14. Realist says:

    When will Israel be forced into signing the NPT?

  15. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Great Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:

    The Negro Administration in DC is preparing to go to war against Conservative Orthodox Christian Russia..after all, Billy Clinton from Hot Springs needs his Russian Female Sex Slaves. Inside Iran resides a very large nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc soon to be imported into Native Born White American Living and Breeding Space.

    Peace with Iran and Cuba…I’m for it…is also..in the larger scheme of things…race war against Whitey.

    Prediction:Putin is bumped off within the next year.

    Russia is the big prize…for the neocons.

  16. It’s a measure of their brazen self-assurance that those three congressmen dare to stand out ahead of the braying pack in their demands for military action on Israel’s behalf: in former times they would have pushed from behind.

    These people appear to be supremely confident that they are now immune from any accusations of dual-loyalty. Perhaps this confidence is well-founded but it seems to me that history has long been punctuated by epochs during which certain Jews have exerted disproportionate political influence: only to misjudge the tolerance of the general public and thereby brought down catastrophe upon themselves and their innocent brothers and sisters.

    Of course recorded history has tended only to document the catastrophes (we can all think of immediate examples) – and generally held back on reciting their cause.

    In the latter 1870s, Sir Richard Francis Burton wrote of the behavior of Jewish merchants in Hungary:

    “.. but the Magyar is a fiery race; and if this system of legal robbery be allowed to pass a certain point, which, by-the-bye, is not far distant, the Jews must prepare themselves for another disaster right worthy of the Middle Ages.”

    These words ring harshly today but, if the present situation continues, it may take more than the parroting of the epithet “Anti-Semite!” to counter such assertions.

  17. Generally a very good piece, Phil. Keep up the good work. One minor quibble though:

    The cruise missiles were primed to launch when, to the surprise of nearly everyone, the public opposition to the proposed escalation of yet another war in Asia was immediate and extreme, forcing the White House to back down.

    It seems to me that the Russians had a big hand in that too.

    Also, echoing some of the statements of SolontoCroesus above, I sure hope that Teheran has not decided to sell out Syria, Lebanon and Palestine as part of the deal. Not only would this effectively be like a second nakbah for the Arabs, but it would undermine the Iranian govt’s remaining support inside their own country, making a color-revolution that much easier to pull off. So part of me wouldn’t mind seeing that AIPAC muppet show sometimes known as the US Senate shoot this deal down.

  18. KA says:

    “—-I joined twenty other— drivers honked approval —-while —-others flipped us off. Two years later, after the war had devolved into an occupation, we joined a quarter of a million demonstrators——-neocon Washington Post had decided not to cover the event.”

    This captures the essence .
    Americans despite enormous damages West has done in unnecessary foreign wars,still believe that foreign wars are for good and are being done in the most humane way .
    Media supports the war unconditionally Onle the war starts, it changes fous same time showing the destructive effects of the ongoing war and joining government for more wars and ontinuing the current war
    Media also starts blaming the executive and the defense for incorrect execution of the war . The advices of the expert ( like Perle,Kagan,Wurmser,Ledeen,or Sharon of Israel) were not followed.

    I remember a funny incident in our office break room . A guy was reading a local newspaper and munching on his lunch. I asked if anything interesting he was reading. He started blasting Putin . So I asked him a few questions on Putin,Medved,Libya,Ukraine,Chechenya,and Syria. He said ” I don’t know anything about those. But this guy is a Hitler, he is bad”.
    Few years back ,another person not white,neither upper class or middle class was castigating Beyonce for performing for Ghaddafi’s son.
    I asked why she was criticizing Beyonce and Ghaddafi while not western war. She could come up with one newer ” its bad its bad,he is killing his people”
    I asked if she were aware of any private performance by any artist from Sinatra onwards till now and , Ghaddafi has done ,and what NATO has before . I asked what NATO was doing there anyway on what ground.

    I also said that we just had this war in Iraq and it was an unjust wars with no good coming out of. Shouldn’t we be a little wary of starting another? She said ” well they say it is different”.

    Conscience hasn’t stopped large scale organized violence. Tendency to find the facts is not a given . Inclination to get involved,to criticize,to be careful and raise questions aren’t in our DNA unless it affects us .

    Oneday this lady was venting openly in workplace that her supervisor had already made up his mind by hearing bad things about her from other . She told that he shouldn’t have done so.
    He should have found out the facts by himself.
    Great observation.! I thought .
    Both persons I mentioned ,I believe represents lower middle class Americans,employed,physically sick,stressed out,with community college education,church goers one divorced,other married,honest in thir daily lives and to me were intelligent caring ,responsible human beings.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  19. Vendetta says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I would think hard about whether those who tore up the deal would really be held accountable in this country. Those who started the Iraq War certainly weren’t.

    Otherwise agree with the general thrust of your statement. I’ve also been in favor of a turn towards Iran, they’d make a far better and more deserving strategic partner in the Middle East than Saudi Arabia. And I think everyone knows that, deep down, some of these old men remembering the days of the alliance under the Shah. That’s part of what drives them toward regime change, I think.

  20. @Sam Shama

    Molto meglio di fortuna to Sam on his project.

    I think he’s mistaking the snapshot for the epic.

    I don’t think I’d heard the word “zionism” until I read a profile of Dick Cheney in New Yorker magazine, April 2001 (pre-WTC-precipitated GWOT). The article mentioned Cheney’s favorite prof at Yale, H. Bradford Westerfield. I got hold of two of Westerfield’s books, which had markings indicating they had been used as texts in his classes in political science.

    In Foreign Policy and Party Politics, (c. 1955) Westerfield devoted a chapter to what we now call the Israel lobby. He used words like “zealous,” “very wealthy,” “relentless,” “highly organized,” and “unopposed” to describe how zionists — identified as Jewish — pursue advocacy for Israel.

    As the title suggests, Westerfield’s book is about the relationship between US voting processes and foreign policy. He described how zionists exploit a major advantage in the US political process by concentrating on a few key states. The ability to control votes in those relatively few states could and frequently did guarantee a win in national campaigns. It is not a mistake that FDR is from New York state. Today, though a scant minority, Jews can dominate voting in three or four states without which no national campaign can prevail: New York, California, Florida, Ohio.

    Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban were not on the scene in 1955 (though other wealthy Jewish persons definitely were). However, the major Jewish institutions that financed and organized the zionists that Westerfield discussed were already established entities and had been since at least the 1930s. They have only grown in depth, breadth, and strength since then. They have become fixtures in the US political and social terrain.

    In addition to major structural influence in the political process, dominance over media and education is almost total. Moreover, zionists magnify their impact on the American public by leveraging taxpayer funded institutions such as US public schools and holocaust museums to propagate “education” that is outrageously biased and even hateful.

    Sam’s proposal to cut off Jewish funding to Jewish causes may only result in adding to the US taxpayer burden of supporting Jewish institutions and causes. As has been noted elsewhere, an arm of AIPAC is shepherding US congressmen on a trip to Israel. Money being fungible, US taxpayers gave the money to Israel that Israel now uses to pay for US congresspersons to travel to Israel to be strong-armed to supply still more money to Israel.

    All this is to suggest for Sam Shama’s consideration that the dominant influence zionists exercise over US foreign policy is structurally embedded in US political institutions such as the electoral college and is profoundly incorporated in a multi-pronged fashion in other US societal pillars (it’s hard to use the word culture when referring to Hollywood). Westerfield’s book was written in 1955. These Jewish institutions have a 60-year + foundation in the USA.

    I wish you well, Sam Shama, but I fear it is not going to be as easy as you seem to think.
    Or desperately hope.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  21. They are a nation that condones and supports Islamic terrorism.
    They believe it is their DUTY to kill all non-believers (It’s in the Koran).
    And the Muslim-In-Chief wants to give them nuclear weapons.
    If you don’t know this about them, if you don’t know Obama is a muslim, if you think opponents are just Israel supporters, then you are too ignorant to be part of the conversation.

  22. @boogerbently

    LOL! Crude lampoon? Too moronic to be Hasbara.

    • Replies: @PB and J
  23. @boogerbently

    boogerbently

    shut up the Zionist jew, the enemy of humanity. Go back to your country located around the black sea, the Khazaris, where you adopted Judaism as for religion NOT race. You have nothing to do with the Middle East and the Stolen Palestine. You are the colonists, then you should be aware what happened toFrench colonists in Algeria and their supporters!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  24. annamaria says:
    @KA

    “Media supports the war unconditionally ”
    Media was made into a crucially important tool for plutocracy (this why the consolidation was allowed). There is nothing left to rely on in the products of MSM. The natural selection at MSM favored opportunists able to lie with conviction and not a shred of shame. The neocon crowd in particular stands apart for its audacity and sense of total unaccountability: they are paid to be provocateurs and propagators of lies.

  25. I would think hard about whether those who tore up the deal would really be held accountable in this country.

    Good advice, Vendetta. I want to think that the boldness with which the Izzie lobby is outing itself will make a difference, but that’s just a hunch, not an ineluctable conclusion.

    deep down, some of these old men remembering the days of the alliance under the Shah. That’s part of what drives them toward regime change, I think.

    According to some recent speeches by Yossi Alpher, who spent many years at the top of the food chain of Israeli decision makers, that is precisely what drives Israelis. Alpher calls it “periphery nostalgia:” Israeli zionists deeply believe that they have a closer kinship to, and claim on the legacy of, the glories of the ancient Persian empire than do Khomeini and Iran’s Islamic leadership.

    Israelis enjoyed a deep linkage with Iran in the Shah’s regime, and feel they have been denied their rightful place (i.e. recognition) as an ancient pillar of the Middle East by the intruder mullahs. The thinking goes that if the regime could just be overthrown the relationship between Israel and Iran would “go back to normal,” — the way it was under the Shah. (When Israeli-trained SAVAK killed Iranians.)

    (It makes me almost laugh to think of Israeli leadership, dominated as it is by Eastern Europeans many of whom are not or never were Jewish, claiming lineal descent from ancient Persia.)

    As well, the defense industry in USA was a major beneficiary of Iranian wealth during the Shah’s reign.

  26. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Jews can dominate voting in three or four states without which no national campaign can prevail: New York, California, Florida, Ohio.

    S2C, are you familiar with how a leveraged system works? It is precisely identical to a set of little gears driving a much larger body. Incapacitation of a few of those gears (or even one for that matter) can bring about a standstill. I intend to explore that structure. I don’t doubt your knowledge of the U.S. electoral process, but as I noted, my sense (which could obviously be wrong) in this matter, is based on my poll of persons in 3 of those 4 states you mention.

    Sam’s proposal to cut off Jewish funding to Jewish causes may only result in adding to the US taxpayer burden of supporting Jewish institutions and causes.

    I disagree. AIPAC et al. are not operated or funded by the Taxpayer, to my knowledge (am I wrong?) The idea is to at least slow them down on fuelling this herd behaviour momentum, detrimental for US’ international objectives, and inimical to the civic duties of Jewish Americans.

  27. annamaria says:
    @boogerbently

    You want to do name calling? Well. Here is something for you, on your level:
    “When the Roman historian Tacitus pointed out 19 centuries ago that the Jews are unique among the races of man in their intense hatred and contempt for all races but their own, he was only repeating what many other scholars had discovered before him. For the next 1,900 years other investigators came to similar conclusions, either from a study of the Jews’ religious writings or from a study of the Jews’ behavior toward non-Jews.”
    http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-genocide-gentilehate.html

    • Replies: @Sherman
  28. KA says:
    @boogerbently

    I don’t know what to make of this but Iran’s religious leaders proclaimed years ago that Nuclear weapon was unIslamic .( Pakistan has it)
    Then last month Neocons jumped on Obama ( your Muslim in Chief) when current religious leader told unequivocally ” America or negotiation didn’t stop out nuclear programme. We didn’t build for it was against Islam”
    by focussing on first part of this quote ( what a nasty primates these guys are) and by ignoring the religious prohibition .

    Am I surprised? These guys roam earth’s every corner to see the evil religious influences on thinking of Muslim and Christians and ignore their own Bible based rules that govern the Zionism,creation of State of Israel,shape the dialogues on boundaries of Israel,on citizenship of local and on the description of its’s enemies. They even engage in systemetic corruption of the ideas of the return of Jesus in other people’s religious thinking and then get
    Bernard Lewis from Princeton pen an article in WSJ how certain day in certain month in year ( I think 2006 or some other year the moron chose) would bring on a cataclysmic attack on west by Iranian out of their apocalyptic faith in return of Mehdi .
    The shithead still teaches and writes. In Nuremberg,he would have been — you know !
    Well he knows .

    • Replies: @Marais
  29. Sherman says:
    @annamaria

    I’m glad you get your information from respected sites like “Jewwatch”.

    You’re clearly an educated person.

    I’m sure with your intellect you’re a highly accomplished person.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @KA
  30. geokat62 says:
    @Sherman

    Mr. Sherman. Why don’t you try attacking Annamarina’s comments instead of relying on ad hominems?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  31. IBC says:

    I appreciate the integrity of Mr. Giraldi’s policy positions as well as his dedication to reining-in the selfish and destructive neoconservative gambits that have helped to feed chaos in the Middle East and beyond for way too many years. I also, hope this treaty with Iran will be a positive turning point and that the Senate can summon the wisdom to recognize that fact. Mr. Giraldi: Keep on speaking truth to power!

  32. KA says:
    @Sherman

    Where do you get yours from?
    FOX ,WSJ,MEMRI,CAMERA,CNN ? Could you give us a link that has proved any of their anti Iran anti Saddam,anti Surian,anti Ghaddafi assertions?

  33. Biff says:

    But if Obama is beaten on this make no mistake it will be a catastrophic defeat of the President of the United States inflicted by the Israel Lobby and we can look forward to years more of Middle Eastern wars on behalf of Netanyahu and his extremist friends. And no president will ever again dare to challenge Israel, meaning that U.S. foreign policy will be permanently outsourced to a foreign country.

    Many complain that this has happened already, but there is a glimmer of hope.

  34. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    If I may be permitted to make a few observations.

    What Mr. Sherman is pointing out here, I believe, is that the picture of Jewish religious practice e.g., as presented by Israel Shahak and his likes, is really little more than grotesque caricatures and outright mis-representations of Talmudic teachings.

    Most of the “rules” and dispositions spoken of by Shahak, as in the prescriptive actions required of “Anashim ve Akhim” is distorted by Shahak from the true meaning of “Man and his brother” , implying any man and his brother or member of his clan to “Jew and his brother Jew, vs Gentile“, by Shahak! In the context of society , circa 9th century, it becomes clear, that what those old texts were talking about, was nothing more than every clan member’s responsibility to guard the interest of his own clan against other clans (Jewish or otherwise)! It was a clannish society. The old Testament prescribed many things that would have us scratching our heads today, to say the least. For example, mixing certain forbidden threads to produce cloth was punishable by flogging!

    Application of all laws and rules, existing and contemplated, were then to be subjected to scrutiny and debate by the 71 Sanhedrin. This is the crucial part. The same Sanhedrin also opined, that with the passage of time, no law could be invariant to the prevailing needs and culture. Thus e.g., even though the Old Testament prescribes “An eye for an eye”, it cannot pass the filter of 71 judges 99.99% of the time.

    How these antiquated writings and their distortions are used by some of the degenerates in the WB today, is of course, an entirely different matter.

    Also, I think annamarina was simply responding in kind, to booger-whatever-his-name’s retarded comments.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Carroll Price
    , @Moi
  35. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    What Mr. Sherman is pointing out here, I believe,…

    Sam, you gleaned all that from:

    I’m glad you get your information from respected sites like “Jewwatch”.

    And I thought the Oracle of Delphi was impressive.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  36. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    lol. Ok I did say “I believe….” Your last sentence is a pure and true to W.S.

  37. Marais says:
    @KA

    It’s amazing anyone took Professor Lewis seriously, given the British Mideast record. Of course, as high-priest of the Princeton neocons, he helped lead the op-ed case for removing Saddam (‘Time for Toppling’ The Wall Street Journal 27 Sept 2002) and enabled invasion and occupation, as Peter Waldman later fawningly wrote:

    “Call it the Lewis Doctrine. Though never debated in Congress or sanctified by presidential decree, Mr. Lewis’s diagnosis of the Muslim world’s malaise, and his call for a U.S. military invasion to seed democracy in the Mideast, have helped define the boldest shift in U.S. foreign policy in 50 years. The occupation of Iraq is putting the doctrine to the test…”

    “As mentor and informal adviser to some top U.S. officials, Mr. Lewis has helped coax the White House to shed decades of thinking about Arab regimes and the use of military power. Gone is the notion that U.S. policy in the oil-rich region should promote stability…”

    “After Sept. 11, 2001, as policy makers fretted urgently about how to understand and deal with the new enemy, Mr. Lewis helped provide an answer…The historian recited the modern failures of Arab and Muslim societies and argued that anti-Americanism stemmed from their own inadequacies, not America’s. Mr. Lewis also met privately with Mr. Bush’s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice. Mr. Frum [White House speech writer] says he soon noticed Mr. Bush carrying a marked-up article by Mr. Lewis among his briefing papers…Says Mr. Frum : “Bernard comes with a very powerful explanation for why 9/11 happened. Once you understand it, the policy presents itself afterward.”

    -Peter Waldman, ‘A Historian’s Take On Islam Steers U.S. In Terrorism Fight’ The Wall Street Journal 3 Feb 2004 (http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-214.htm)

    Ones might argue that a willingness to generalize in a manner that deprives people of their individual identity, alienates them from equal justice, and establishes a collective guilt (e.g. the 1935 Nüremberg Laws) was a formative step that ultimately led to the Shoah. Given the absence of Iraqi WMD and the results of his ‘Doctrine’ (the best gift Iran received since 1979), Professor Lewis may indeed deserve a place next to ‘philosopher’ Alfred Rosenburg.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @annamaria
  38. annamaria says:
    @Marais

    “Professor Lewis may indeed deserve a place next to ‘philosopher’ Alfred Rosenburg.”
    Correct.

  39. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    The unconscionable and catastrophic damage done to the United States and the world as a result of adopting these policies of aggression, war and belligerence should be enough to remainder these assorted “lobbying groups” who have defrauded us into them, to federal prison or Guantanamo bay….

    I see no other way to adequately redress the horror they have caused or curtail it in the future.

    The diplomatic breakthrough with Iran, while opening the door to peaceful relations and better tidings for us all……Does not eliminate the terroristic belligerence and grotesque penchant for fraud and mass murder emanating from these “sources”……….Making the much overdo arrests and incarcerations ,would.

    ” Fraud toward War” is Evil .

    Those who espouse it, should be ” ousted” once and for all.!

  40. Hbm says:

    My representative is Tom Cotton. Think I should give him a ring?

    I was glad Phil mentioned Nuland, Powers and Rice in the same breath as the Iran deal.

    • Replies: @Realist
  41. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says:

    There is no idealism, principles, or decency to any of this.

    I support the Iran Deal, but Obama is only taking orders from J-Street Jews who are no less devious than AIPAC Jews.

    J-Street, via Obama, is approaching Iran for the same reason US approached China in the early 70s. As US saw the USSR as the main rival, the idea was to reduce tensions with China and hopefully use it as leverage against the USSR(and against Vietnam as the satellite of the USSR).

    Jews who run the US now see Russia as the main rival to Jewish Supremacism. Of course, Jews would like to take down both Russia and Iran, but it’s too much to handle all at once. After all, Germany failed in WWI and WWII cuz it got embroiled in two-front wars.

    So, Jews figure they could focus on one big enemy at a time. Jews see Russia as the bigger threat. Now, Israelis may be more worried about rise of Iran as a regional power, but Jewish Power is global, in the US and EU, not just in Israel. Indeed, the center of Jewish Global Power is more in US and EU than in Israel.

    So, for the time being, Jews are using Obama to reduce tensions with Iran, as the sanctions only drove Iran and Russia, not natural allies, together.

    Thus, if the West woos Iran economically and diplomatically, Russia may become more isolated. Why is Russia such a danger to Jewish power. After all, Putin isn’t anti-Jewish or anti-Zionist. Russia poses no challenge to US global dominance in high-tech. I mean try to name one Russian brand in car, TV, electronics, computers, and etc.

    So, why all this panic about Russia? It’s because Putin prioritized Russian nationalism and cultural traditionalism(of roots) against total Jewish globalist takeover. Jews want to take control of Russia with all its resources. Jews are salivating because they nearly had all of Russia in the 90s.
    But the problem goes deeper than that. If the Russian situation could be contained within Russia itself, Jews might not be so worried. But Jews fear that Putinist model of national consciousness might inspire similar models in rest of Europe. Hungary is ruled by rightists who sometimes speak like Putin. The National Front in France are close to Russia, indeed pro-Russia. Nationalist parties are making gains all over Europe, especially with the rising tide of color. And there are elements in Germany who would rather Germany forge an independent foreign policy and grow closer to Russia than remain servile to the US indefinitely.

    If Putin-ism spreads, it means every white European nation will promote national pride and confidence(instead of endless Holocaust guilt and white self-loathing). And if Europe goes that way, then such ideas might affect American whites as well, and then, Jews will be very nervous.

    So, Jews figure on dividing Russia and Iran. If the West does business with Iran, Iranians(especially the young) will become more Western-ized and lulled into thinking US is a friendly nation. Iran will grow closer to the West than to Russia.
    And then, if the West focuses all its power against Russia, Putinism may be defeated and brought down. And maybe Russia will fall prey to Jewish globalism.

    AND THEN… the Zionists can finally make a move on Iran.
    If Russia is longer a sovereign power that can stand up to US, then Iran no longer has a powerful ally to back it up. If Russia falls to Jews and homos, then Iran will have no safe wall to lean back against for security. US will be able to isolate and undermine Iran anyway it wants.

    So, taking out Russia means all the other dominoes will fall. It was difficult for Jewish supremacism to get everything it wanted in Syria and Iran because of Russia. But if Russia were subverted, weakened, and made a bitch of Jewish globalism, then the Jewish-controlled US(and its vassals of the EU and Russia) will be able to do as it pleases anywhere in the Middle East. Without Russia to back it up, a nation like Iran would be totally vulnerable. So, take out Russia first, and then move on Iran.

    So, this is really an Iran Gambit. US acts like it is making a concession to Iran, but it is to strengthen its hand against Russia. Once Russia is out of the picture as a sovereign nation that can challenge the US, nations like Iran will be all alone in the world and without powerful allies. They can be picked off one by one.

    It’s like once Big China fell as an independent power in the 19th century, all the neighboring Asian nations could be picked off one by one too.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  42. Phil wrote:

    But for the first time Obama spoke about American interests trumping those of Israel, that it would be an “abrogation of his constitutional responsibility” to behave otherwise. He also called out the neoconservatives explicitly and Israel Lobby implicitly, even though somewhat elliptically, stating that the same crowd that demanded war with Iraq is doing it again, that they have a “preference for military action over diplomacy.” He concluded by asking the American public to tell their representatives what kind of country they want to have, good advice indeed

    I’d dryly note Obama had six years to demonstrate he has what the Hispanics call ‘cajones’ (and the political capital he needed the first few years to back him up) and never acted courageously. Instead he’d consistently caved in to the neo-cons in nearly every respect; inclusive of behaving like Bush on steroids when it came to trashing American civil liberties, with major sections of the 1st, 4th & 5th Amendments gone. Least transparent administration, ever. Has trashed international relations along with international law. Not least, leaving messianic generals at the Pentagon to their own devices, with those same generals making policy statements or worse, in too many cases actually making policy.

    Obama’s tepid confronting Netanyahu and AIPAC overlooks there is another problem altogether aside from the undue influence exercised through AIPAC. It is the organized crime that passes for intelligence agencies and more than that, these entities self-entitle to geopolitical engineering in concert with corporate boardrooms where there is incestuous relationships in the extreme. This aside operates independently of any political process or perhaps better said, often manipulates the political process at will.

    I do hope readers here will pick up and read Ari Ben Menache’s ‘Profits of War.’ What you will discover is, LIKUD has been funded by the organized crime element of MOSSAD for a very long time. The CIA operational sector’s relationship to America’s neocons is little different. As well, the two agencies have been in bed together since Iran Contra was initiated out of the ‘1980 October Surprise.’

    On the CIA’s operational side (historically a George HW Bush fan club), using the apt mafia terminology, Robert Gates has been a central player throughout and had been more or less the top ‘capo’ running things from behind the scenes. George HW Bush would be the titular ‘godfather.’ These facts and Ben Menache’s book are highly relevant to this day, recalling Robert Gates seamlessly transitioned from Bush (jr) to the Obama administration. If our rogue neo-con clandestine service decides another war is necessary to pursue whatever objective it pleases, we’ll have another war, recalling it was on Obama’s watch Gates & Petraeus practically fused the USA’s special operations forces with the CIA’s operations sector; bringing our most elite forces under an information blackout where secrecy rules governing the CIA are employed over what should be forces governed under the rules of the DoD.

    Meanwhile, our messianic generals had near perfect information on efforts undermining Assad in Syria in a way that was predicted to see the rise of Islamic State and they sat on their hands and did & said nothing, perfect if you believe God has ‘chosen’ you to be the war leaders (generalship) for upcoming Armageddon:

    ^ Until our rogue clandestine services monster is tamed, there is no solution –

    Ben Menache’s book at amazon and available for kindle:

    ^

    Meanwhile, per our messianic Department of Defense, Mikey Weinstein’s most recent:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/11/1410997/-Bombing-for-Jesus-Is-the-mission-of-the-US-Air-Force-to-glorify-God?showAll=yes

    ^

  43. @Ronald Thomas West

    If the Defense Intelligence Agency assessment fails to load, try this link:

    -https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain

    ^

  44. Sam Shama says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Ron
    Reading Ben Menasche. …….thx

  45. Sam Shama says:
    @Priss Factor

    Very impressive analysis of the Jewish game plan. Priss, are you Jewish?

  46. @Seraphim

    Piss on AIPAC. To those perfidious fifth columnists, any and all criticism of Israel is “anti-Semitism.”

    Piss on David Brooks, that Israel-First chickenhawk. And, as Giraldi notes, Brooks’s son serves, not in the U.S. military, but in the IDF.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  47. Chuck says:

    Is that girl holding a “No Nukes for Israel” sign? Abe Foxman would like a word.

  48. Sam Shama says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    Brooks is truly cringe inducing. Hie writing so obviously reeks of false humility and artificiality that the audience often finds it embarrassing to suffer the charade with a straight face.

  49. Marais says:

    Thank you Mr. Giraldi.

    I think the “tectonic shift” you note first became apparent in GW Bush’s ‘doctrine of preemption’ announced at West Point 2 Jul 2002. It scrapped principles of sovereignty held since Westphalia in 1648, legitimized unilateral ‘régime change’ by force, and discarding international law and the founding principles of the UN It’s essentially an invitation to use war as a first resort, a doctrine that could easily lead to an age of global anarchy. To my knowledge (and regret), it has not been repudiated by the current administration.

    I keep waiting for a Lady Macbeth moment that never seems to arrive:
    • No outrage after Rumsfeld failed to properly supply his troops, failed to protect the Iraqi National Museum and National Library, and compared looting to “riots at soccer games.”
    • No outrage after GW Bush joked “Those weapons of mass destruction must be somewhere” while pictured searching under his desk in a powerpoint presentation to the 24 Mar 2004 Radio & TV Correspondents dinner (http://www.c-span.org/video/?181100-1/2004-radio-television-correspondents-dinner).
    • No outrage after Abu Ghraib was publicized Apr-May 2004, or in the subsequent court marshal of enlisted staff that ignored the role of contractors and high level officers;
    • No outrage after John Yoo’s Aug 2002 Memoranda legalizing interrogation techniques up to bodily organ failure (the ‘Torture Memos’) were leaked in Jun 2004.
    • No outrage at the ‘extraordinary rendition’ used to kidnap hundreds (a reprise of Hitler’s ‘Nacht und Nebel’ = ‘Night and Fog’ decree).
    • No outrage after Condoleeza Rice’s 9/11 Commission testimony 8 Apr 2004 revealed that, warned of an imminent threat, Bush simply continued his vacation for another month after his 6 Aug 2001 PDF. In the same testimony she added “After the September 11th attacks, our nation faced hard choices. We could fight a narrow war against al Qaeda and the Taliban, or we could fight a broad war against a global menace. We could seek a narrow victory, or we could work for a lasting peace and a better world. President Bush has chosen the bolder course…I believe we will change the nature of the Middle East…” A grand, if messianic, epistle no one seemed to find troubling.
    • No outrage after WMDs weren’t found, or when, after blaming the absence on an ‘intelligence failure,’ Bush awarded ‘Slam Dunk’ Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom 14 Dec 2004.
    • No outrage after ‘Fiasco’ and many other works exposed epic administration incompetence.
    • Finally, no outrage when the 23 Jul 2002 Downing Street Memo (leaked in 2006) revealed Bush’s decision to invade Iraq regardless of inspections and the UN, and his instructions to fix “the intelligence and facts…around the policy.” This is as damning as the Nov 1937 Hoßbach Memorandum.

    Corruption doesn’t quite seem adequate in explaining these events. Now the stunning sales campaign for Iraq seems about to be reprised against Iran, sold by many of the same crowd. New York Post editors are already busy (‘The anti-Semitic drive to silence Schumer on the Iran deal’ 10 Aug 2015). Funny, racial slurs didn’t seem to concern them in their famous ‘Axis of Weasels’ issue 24 Jan 2003. Have we learned nothing?

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
  50. KA says:

    “As long as Saddam Hussein is in power, any containment of Iraq will only be temporary until the next crisis or act of aggression.”

    AIPAC’s 2001-2004 ‘Briefing Book’ Made Case for Regime Change In Iraq

    http://www.lobelog.com/aipacs-2002-briefing-book-made-case-for-regime-change-in-iraq/

    AIPAC is out in full forces denouning that it had a position on Iraq war .It is equally fervently influencing the lay of the land that houses Iran to make sure regime change is the final outcome of any approach that to be allowed .
    Current argument raised by its minions on Iran is same – containment will not work. America need to reimpose sanction,or bomb

    WSJ is not much removed from AIPAC in space that allows any daylight between the two. Neither is Natinal Post in endorsing nuclear attack on Iran as kind of commemoration of Hiroshima Nagasaki
    (http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/celebrating-columnist-insinuates)

    Neither Bolton ever will say something that is not endorsed or contemplated by AIPAC or UANI.
    So why AIPAC is so upset?

    Not long ago,it was Antisemitic to ADL to say AIPAC is behind the charges and the sanctions against Iran. ” Donor” clubs that have been mentioned by Obama was refered to as an act of antisemitism. Now that argument is lost ,emperor is declared naked, AIPAC is trying to claim that it was fully clothed during Iraq war prelude while using same set of people ,same language,same issue of trust,and possibility of worst type to goad the nation in rejecting the great pro American deal .

    • Replies: @Marais
    , @alexander
  51. KA says:

    “The bomb turned the empire of the sun into a nation of peace activists…

    Bret Stephens see another reason that justify nuking Japan in 1945.

    “Modern Japan is a testament to the benefits of total defeat, to stripping a culture prone to violence of its martial pretenses… It is a testament, too, to an America that understood moral certainty and even a thirst for revenge were not obstacles to magnanimity. In some ways they are the precondition for it…

    There are lessons in this city’s history that could serve us today, when the U.S. military forbids the word victory, the U.S. president doesn’t believe in the exercise of American power, and the U.S. public is consumed with guilt for sins they did not commit.

    Watch the lights come on at night in Hiroshima. Note the gentleness of its culture. And thank God for the atom bomb.

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/celebrating-columnist-insinuates/comment-page-1#comment-789270

    It is sad and also startling that someone would evoke the memory of that trauma ,justify the action to serve some tribal self interest .

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  52. Duglarri says:
    @Sherman

    The 24 days would be an issue if it was possible to clean up a nuclear site. It isn’t. If someone is playing with nuclear materials, traces are detectable no matter what kind of cleanup you do- pretty much forever, not just for years, not just for 24 days. You can dig up the area, pull out buildings, or paint, or whatever, but when the guys show up with the detectors, they will still find traces. Oli Heinonen admitted as much last year.

  53. @No Second Israel

    How can someone so fascinated by Jewish matters have got to the point of having heard of the supposed conversion of the Khazars without asking obvious questions or taking his researches just a little bit further and discovering that the Khazar conversion wss a myth.

    To emphasise my point let me explain how I came to be sure of that. Sitting next to a distinguished scholar who happened to be Reform rabbi I was prompted by the memory of an article I had once read about the Khazar conversion, supposedly as some sort of resolution of the problem of having Armenian Christians on one border and Turkish Muslims on another, to ask how it came about that people from the Caucasus or thereabouts moved into Eastern Europe and spoke a German dialect (Yiddish). The answer is that it was Arthur Koestler who spread the nonsensical myth in “The Thirteenth Tribe”.

    Is there an element of truth somewhere as one might suspect? Indeed, the royal family, and maybe aristocracy, converted. The Soviet Union didn’t make any of that easy to discover. It hid the Khazar crown jewels for decades because it wanted no open evidence of a separate Khazar kingdom having existed within the empire.

    It was pointed out to me that there were Jews (from Palestine) in the Rhineland before there were Germans. Hence the large infusion of mostly Celtic genes in otherwise mostly ME Semitic Ashkenazim.

  54. @KA

    One doesn’t have to conclude that dropping the two A bombs on Japan was justified in order to be glad it happened. It is conceivable perhaps that no other nation than the US would have developed nuclear weapons but it is very unlikely. What the actual use ensured was that a great deal of thought and effort, fortified by public opinion, would be expended to make sure nuclear weapons were never again used.

    • Replies: @KA
  55. Marais says:
    @KA

    Another interesting AIPAC Briefing Book revelation is the 7 Oct 2002 ‘editor’s comments:’

    “Finally, in meetings with the Bush administration late last month, senior Israeli intelligence officials shared evidence about contacts between al-Qaeda and top members of Saddam’s Ba’ath Party”

    “These revelations point to Saddam’s deep involvement in Palestinian terrorism and alliance with Arafat for the purpose of aborting U.S. military action against Iraq while boosting Palestinian terrorist attacks against Israel. They also indicate that Iraq is maintaining contact with the vile perpetrators of 9/11.”

    It appears Israel was deeply involved in selling the ridiculous myth that Saddam was collaborating with al-Qaeda, something Cheney (and no one else) believes to this day.

  56. KA says:

    It is not about Japan or morality of that particular event. It is about a rascal like this descendent of Wolfowitz -Feith-Kagan-Sharon from WSJ who thinks that it is what America should do to Iran to satisfy Israel . He is just like those ancestors of him , using the phrase,words,and evoking a dream that was the marketing pitch of the Perle to Libby to Lewis to Liberman.
    He just like his tribal chiefs from Hebron cave yesterday is hiding the intents and the preoccupation that he would enjoy watching the sacrifice of the innocent Iraninan blood at the altar of the temple of the Zionism . He just wants the priest to say ” like Japan ,you -Iran would be ushering in progress”

    Now it is clear ehy blood libel accusation against Zionist make perfect sense .

  57. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    That last comment is a reply to your post.

  58. alexander says:
    @KA

    KA,

    “AIPAC is out in full force denouncing it had a position on Iraq war…..”

    You bet they are…

    .The growing awareness of the American people of the heinous ,criminal fraud they employed , to launch us into that feckless war of aggression, ….the millions of innocent people who have perished from it, and the obscene multi trillion dollar burden unduly foisted upon US, as a result of it , should have them ALL in our cross hairs of accountability.

    Obfuscating and denying any responsibility for this catastrophic blunder is par for the course.

    Fraud begets more fraud, and so on and so forth….

    No doubt a war of aggression launched against Iran would be met, at some point, with the same degree of obfuscation and denial…

    But there is too great a paper trail, too much hard evidence, and too many concrete facts for any who lobbied for, and “lied us “into the Iraq fiasco,to escape accountability and the iron hand of justice were it to be delivered upon them…

    I, for one ,believes this needs to happen, not merely in the interest of justice, but also to curtail such forms of ‘terroristic” deception in the future.

    It is long overdue.

    The mandate of the American People after 9-11 was to bring to justice those responsible for it…not initiate a war of aggression against millions of innocents, who did not !

  59. Fraud begets more fraud, and so on and so forth….
    No doubt a war of aggression launched against Iran would be met, at some point, with the same degree of obfuscation and denial…
    But there is too great a paper trail, too much hard evidence, and too many concrete facts for any who lobbied for, and “lied us “into the Iraq fiasco,to escape accountability and the iron hand of justice were it to be delivered upon them…
    I, for one ,believes this needs to happen, not merely in the interest of justice, but also to curtail such forms of ‘terroristic” deception in the future.
    It is long overdue.
    The mandate of the American People after 9-11 was to bring to justice those responsible for it…not initiate a war of aggression against millions of innocents, who did not !

    Agree with you fully, Alexander.

    Especially with the “long overdue” part.

    FDR, Churchill, Brandeis, Frankfurter, Untermyer & Wise are right in there with Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, in having dragged ordinary Americans into a genocidal war for the sake of the zionist project.

    Justice For Germans!

    Justice for Palestine!

    Because Anglo-zionists got away with the ethnic cleansing and culture-code of Germany, they could continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine.

    They are eager to ethnically cleanse Iran.

    Zionists crimes did not start in 1948 or on 9/11/2001.

    It’s up to us to say ENOUGH!

    This ends NOW.

    Justice For Germans!

    Justice for Palestine!

    Hands Off Iran!

  60. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    NATURE published an article on the European origin of the Ashkenazi Jews . Oxford had another article. Bot are latest . It does discuss of Levan genetic admixture .

  61. PB and J says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    More likely a Glenn Beck fan. The phrase “Muslim-in-Chief” makes it pretty obvious.

    I’d like to note that nearly all discussions on this website would be baffling to the majority of the U.S. population. That’s not to say that it’s beyond their intellectual capabilities (although for some it is), but mostly people are more interested in Kate Middleton and Kardashian/Jenner/West and NFL/NBA/MLB than the subtleties of foreign interactions and the maintenance of the dollar as reserve currency. They have neither contextual understanding nor interest.

    So a quick phrase like “Muslim-in-Chief giving nukes to religious fanatics” works for plenty of people.

  62. PB and J says:

    One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet — John Kerry intoned that failing to pass this agreement could lead to threats to the dollar’s status as reserve currency and hence its future value. There is a tone of (feigned?) near-panic that this might be rejected in Congress. I suspect this is not because of overly sentimental feelings about the fate of the average Iranian.

    And is it just me, or is anyone else reminded of some of the lame duck actions in 1999 and 2000 undertaken by the Clinton administration? When Obama says he wants to get as much done as possible before leaving office I definitely believe him.

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
  63. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    I have heard so many times over the past thirteen years King Bibi “insinuating” or” calling out “as “Hitler” any individuals with the courage to seek a just resolution to the Israel /Palestine conflict, in accordance with the accepted norms of international law….

    Judge Richard Goldstone….”HITLER”
    Nelson Mandela……………….”HITLER”
    Bishop Desmond Tutu……..”HITLER
    Jimmy Carter…………………”HITLER”
    James baker……………………”HITLER”
    Alice Walker……………………”HITLER”
    Tony Judt……………………….”. HITLER”
    Stephan Walt…………………….”HITLER”
    Barack Obama…………………..” HITLER”
    Richard Falk………………………”HITLER”
    Norman Finkelstein…………….”HITLER
    Max Blumenthal…………………..”HITLER”
    and so many, many others… who all turned out to be(always were) brave,intelligent , compassionate, and caring people….

    I confess ,for the first year or two, it really had a ‘disarming” effect..

    But when I think about it today, its not hard to see who “the little Dictator” really is….

    “Lebenraum”-ing as much land as he can get his hands on….and having no compunction to “exterminate” those who can barely defend themselves …

    King Bibi himself !

    My….How times have changed..

  64. @alexander

    Dear Alexander:

    What if your comment at #64 were set up as a simple algebra equation —

    X = Y

    The properties of X, as you wrote, “always were brave,intelligent , compassionate, and caring people

    X is identified as “Hitler.”
    That is,

    Hitler (X) = brave,intelligent , compassionate, and caring people

    Those that you name as Y, that is, person who are the equal of X, include:

    Judge Richard Goldstone
    Nelson Mandela
    Bishop Desmond Tutu
    Jimmy Carter
    James baker
    Alice Walker
    Tony Jud
    Stephan Walt
    Barack Obama
    Richard Falk
    Norman Finkelstein
    Max Blumenthal [with reservations]

    That is to say, all of the above (again, with reservations re Blumenthal) demonstrate all the defining qualities of X = Hitler = brave,intelligent , compassionate, and caring people

    But is your conclusion, your solution to the equation X = Y correct when you name Benjamin Netanyahu as a Y?

    Is this equation true?

    (X) : brave,intelligent , compassionate, and caring = (Y) Benjamin Netanyahu (Bibi)?

    If Bibi is a Y then none of the above can be Ys, by not only your own logic, Alexander, but by Bibi’s logic; Bibi has declared, on numerous occasions, that he is not the equal of Hitler in brave[ry],intelligent , compassionate, and caring.

    Do you think Bibi is trying to tell us something?

    Have you ever read Dostoevsky?

    Raskolnikov could not control his psyche. It insisted on confronting itself with the truth: he had committed heinous crimes.

    Do you think Bibi recognizes that about himself and about zionism, in some fundamental way?

    I don’t know for sure — people like Bibi have so sullied the history that it may be impossible to know for sure, but I suspect Hitler read Dostoevsky and understood Russian literature at least as deeply as did George Kennan.
    Hitler would have understood Netanyahu and could have encountered him calmly, but Bibi could never in a million years have been able to stand face-to-face — on equal ground, or in a situation of algebraic equivalence, so to speak, with Goldstone, Mandela, Tutu, . . . .Hitler. That’s why Bibi is compelled to — his entire identity demands that he render non-existent the qualities of the Y s — Goldstone, Judt, Falk …. and Hitler.

    Because their algebraic equivalence to Bibi = False.
    = Lie.
    = NOT the equivalent of brave, caring, etc.

  65. @Sam Shama

    I disagree. AIPAC et al. are not operated or funded by the Taxpayer, to my knowledge (am I wrong?) The idea is to at least slow them down on fuelling this herd behaviour momentum, detrimental for US’ international objectives, and inimical to the civic duties of Jewish Americans.

    I find that statement naive, Sam.

    It reminds me of so many experiences in retail security, where an apprehended miscreant, a CD shoved down his pants, offers to pay for the thing if only his parents are not told. “I can pay,” he pleads, “If only you will stop the little gears of justice” from working their inexorable will.

    In my estimation — my hope, to be honest — Israelists have used up all their second chances.

    To begin with, the zionist system is not so simple as you suggest. Israel firsters have set up a “circular flow of goods and services” in which Jewish capital is start-up money, pump-priming; leverage, and US taxpayers are investors, albeit unwitting (witless, even).

    Your goal of fouling some small gears to crash the entire system — heh, if it were that easy someone would have thought of it already. 204 s are not as special as they used to be and 2-bit shoplifters have tried the strategy times without number, to no avail.

    As well, you have to take account of the Jewish “back-up” systems: from its earliest days zionist groups have used non-Jewish front men. Fiorello LaGuardia, whose wife was Jewish, was one such. Bishop Mundelein in Chicago was similarly used to heat up the Catholic polity to a WWII fever-pitch (Catholics seem peculiarly susceptible to Jewish sucker-bait, supporting those poor Jews against evil Lutheranish evildoers. My co-religionists consider stuck-on-dumb to be a sign of virtue. What can you expect of a group that thinks being (ahem) bolted to a cross to be a good thing?) Mike Hayden, the Zarate brothers — a sparse few of the Roman Catholics who can be counted on to pledge their allegiance to Israel, Right or Wrong, my own country be damned. Don’t even get started on the truly brain-dead Christian zionists who provide political as well as financial support to the zionist scheme to establish Jewish hegemony “from the river to the sea,” or from the beginning to the end times, in Michele Bachman-think — http://www.salon.com/2015/08/10/michele_bachmann_iran_deal_a_cause_for_celebration_because_it_proves_the_end_times_have_begun_in_earnest/

    Here’s what I think about your proposal, Sam Shama:

    I think you’re scared out of your wits with a capital SH that the zionist project in Israel is approaching a tipping point. Americans have finally figured out the scam, the full extent to which they have been suckered, bled and impoverished by zionists to support the Israel Über alles project. Casting about for a suitable solution, this messianic people, these ‘christo’zionists are not readily placated with slow-moving long-term hopie-changie. They are going to tap their inner Ronen Bergman.
    Recall that shortly after a 34-year old a Iranian nuclear scientist was assassinated in Tehran, Brian Williams interviewed Ronen Bergman (just as an aside: if I had been the TSA agent when Bergman entered the sacred precincts of the USA, I would have alerted my superior that a deranged individual had just entered the USA and should be carefully watched, maybe sent back to where he came from. Bergman is One. Seriously. Deranged. Dude.)
    –Anyway — Bergman related, matter-of-factly, how Israel has used assassination more than any other nation, more than Stalin, even, to snuff out the lives of other people’s children that they saw as interfering with their grand scheme. Bergman said that Israelis consider it moral and legal to kill the citizens of other sovereign nations, if it “changes history” in their favor.

    Some someones thought that C Span was a brilliant strategy, a kind of Control Center for propagandizing and focus-group-conditioning the public, but it works two ways: some of us, enough of us see it as a resource, an evidence portfolio of the crimes against humanity that have been committed by the American people — in our name, God Damn It, in our name — in furtherance of the Jewish agenda for Israel.

    We are steaming red hot mad.

    We will do what we can to us the evidence C Span preserves to demand accountability of those who have betrayed the US Constitutional republic.
    While you tinker with small gears.

    Jews are shit on a shingle, Sam Shama, and the US politity is just waiting for the toaster to pop. You can try to pull the plug or fiddle with the gears, but the coils are already glowing red. You’re toast.

    POP!

    Fiddling with the gears is not going to help.

    The American people want the element that has subverted their Constitutional Republic GONE.

    We want to see the bottoms of neocon shoes, either while boarding a plane for parts distant from American shores, or while swinging from a lamppost. Piano wire was good enough for Streicher and Mussolini; while bass wires might be required, Kristol, the Kagans, and Perle, Wolfowitz and the Wurmer duo are entitled to nothing less. Or more.

    • Replies: @Sherman
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Marais
  66. KA says:

    “But generally the liberal press has been embarrassed by Obama’s comments or tried to wish them away. The New York Times put AIPAC on its front page the other day, but allowed David Makovsky, an ardent supporter of Israel, to say that some of Obama’s statements are “dangerous.” David Rothkopf, the editor of Foreign Policy, is supporting the deal, but he has said on twitter that the emphasis on the Israel lobby is disturbing to him. Dahlia Scheindlin, an Israeli-American, tries to dispose of the criticisms of Obama by arguing that he can’t have any objection to dual loyalty in this day and age:
    The very idea that there’s something wrong with dual loyalty is obsolete. It’s a fossilized relic of single-identity patriotism to the patria from centuries past. Nowadays, people migrate, have mixed heritage, multiple citizenships, meta-state communities and even multiple sexualities –

    See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/president-special-relationship#sthash.XgpuLgfr.dpuf

    Crimes made possible over the years from dual citizenship is unbelievable in scope and magnitude. But majority with dual citizen are perfectly normal moral conscientious people who will not betray the adopted nation.
    But how the heck Dual Loyalty could ever be normalized ? By the very definition,isn’t it a violation of oath and allegiance to the country !

  67. Sherman says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Just when I thought you couldn’t possibly be any sicker you never cease to amaze me!

  68. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    We are steaming red hot mad.

    Jews are shit on a shingle, Sam Shama, and the US politity is just waiting for the toaster to pop. You can try to pull the plug or fiddle with the gears, but the coils are already glowing red. You’re toast.

    POP!

    We want to see the bottoms of neocon shoes, either while boarding a plane for parts distant from American shores, or while swinging from a lamppost. Piano wire was good enough for Streicher and Mussolini; while bass wires might be required, Kristol, the Kagans, and Perle, Wolfowitz and the Wurmer duo are entitled to nothing less. Or more.

    I had actually just picked up a novel recommended by Razib Khan: “Hominids”, by Robert J. Sawyer. Its about contact between humans and Neanderthals creating a relationship fraught with conflict and philosophical challenge. Its quite a fascinating read.

    Co-incidentally(?) it seems, I landed back on these pages, and what do I find? Your “comments #65 and #66”. Both circular and bizarre. (Alexander beware!)

    “This is more than the usually blinkered bloke, I speak to”, was the first thought to cross my mind.

    Methinks your are pickled. As in lagered, blotto, shi*t faced.

    Go sleep it off, chappie, would be my advise.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  69. Priss Factor [AKA "skiapolemistis"] says:

    US messed up the world but it has the right to preach ‘human rights’ and ‘equality’ to the world since… it now has ‘gay marriage’.

    With democracy no longer being so special–it’s spread all over–, the only way the West can still pretend to be ‘more evolved’ is playing games with ‘gay’ and ‘tranny’ stuff.

  70. Realist says:

    “With democracy no longer being so special–it’s spread all over–, the only way the West can still pretend to be ‘more evolved’ is playing games with ‘gay’ and ‘tranny’ stuff.”

    Democracy is not the panacea it is claimed

  71. duderino says:

    The sad thing is that opposing this deal is a political no-brainer. Rand Paul had a “Israel might be nuked” ad ran against him during the debate despite his taking the conventional republican position. The heat is just too much for anyone who is vulnerable. Polls show Obama’s approval numbers down after this. America desperately needs a media voice who is not afraid to call out AIPAC BS.

  72. @Sam Shama

    what terrifies me is that I’m not “blotto, pickled, layered …”
    I wish I were.

    I wish I could make the evil with which zionism has plagued Europe, now the ME, Iran for 50 years and soon USA, to disappear in an alcohol-induced fog. But I don’t drink.

    I wish I could “sleep off” the rage. I struggle every day to find a positive approach — I struggle not to hate everything Israel stands for. It is so tempting to surrender to the hate

  73. Great article.
    BUT the real meaning of the agreement remains to be seen.
    If Obama is trying to extract the U.S. from the Middle East to free up forces to confront Russia and China more vigorously (and more dangerously), it is a retrograde step.
    If it means a turn toward less confrontation and more cooperation with Russia and China, then that is a great step forward.
    I am not optimistic given Obama’s track record, but I remain hopeful.
    P.s. Firing Killary’s (and Cheney’s) protege Nuland is a capital idea. Putting her in the dock for war crimes is an even better idea!

  74. alexander says:

    Dear Mr Croesus,

    I certainly hope you don’t” hate” Israel, or for that matter the Jewish people, they are a brilliant, creative, compassionate warm and caring people.on the whole..or can be.
    Rather better to hate “the rough patch” its going through and the course it has chosen..

    Israel could develop and. begin implementing a Just resolution to the conflict tomorrow.
    it has the capacity to sow peace and good will with the same fervor it has chosen war and aggression.

    The middle east AT PEACE could be a vibrant, exciting place, with enormous trade, freedom of movement,and prosperity….

    How exciting would that be ?

    Israel could look back in ten years time, and see how horrible this period has been, its militarism, aggression, and desire for conquest undermining the hopes for a better future for everyone….

    Lets hope it sees the light and changes course in time…

    It doesn’t look good right now …its true..

    But you know what they say….”Its always darkest before dawn”.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Sam Shama
  75. “This is why the outcome is critically important and it is why I and many like-minded individuals keep talking and writing about it even though we have all become somewhat Iran-fatigued.” I believe that this is the best opportunity for Mr. Gates and Mr. Buffet to make their most substantive contribution to America by out financing the deal haters This fatigue is due to the under staffing of the deal supporters.

  76. @alexander

    nice try Alexander.

    no cigar.

  77. Marais says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    With respect, your offensive and inaccurate post sounds like something Julius Streicher would write (and he wasn’t hung with piano wire, though he deserved it).

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  78. Sam Shama says:
    @alexander

    Alexander
    you’ve spoken the exact words I had been searching for.

    The middle east AT PEACE could be a vibrant, exciting place, with enormous trade, freedom of movement,and prosperity….

    How exciting would that be ?

    Israel could look back in ten years time, and see how horrible this period has been, its militarism, aggression, and desire for conquest undermining the hopes for a better future for everyone….

    Heartfelt Thanks!!

  79. I have never been convinced that Iran plays any part, nor cares about the events in Yemen. Nor do I believe that Saudi Arabia plays any significant role in destabilizing Syria, Iraq, or Yemen ( which is contrary to their interests). Is Israel testing the Arabian waters? Saudi Arabia’s request for defensive missiles is very telling. What are they worried about? With a Sanders and Netanyahu in the WH will American forces in Saudi be told to stand down? Israel, on its own will not attack Iran, that is clear, but Saudi Arabia is a different story. We can expect a major terrorist attack in 2016/2017- here or in Israel; Saudi nationals or Iranian nationals? I write short stories on espionage, expect my imagination to fly.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  80. @Marais

    point out the inaccuracies and refute them Marais.

    Traitors deserve to be executed.

    Brian Williams interviewed Ronen Bergman shortly after the assassination of a 34-year old Iranian nuclear scientist.
    http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/02/08/10354553-israel-teams-with-terror-group-to-kill-irans-nuclear-scientists-us-officials-tell-nbc-news

    Bergman said “Israel has used assassination more than any other state, more than Stalin, even. . . . It has changed history.”

    Alexander has just penned a paean of praise for the wonderful dynamic caring Jewish/Israeli people.
    If “brilliant, creative, compassionate warm and caring” Jewish people can somehow force themselves to overcome all that deeeepp humanity and assassinate other people’s children, and other children’s parents, with a sense abandon surpassed only by the cunning and sense of impunity that accompanies these acts, then it should be no problem whatsoever for dumb, sedulous, cold-blooded, dehumanized clods like Americans to do the same.

    —-

    PS. re Alexander’s outpouring —

    brilliant, creative, compassionate warm and caring people.on the whole..or can be.

    gotta love the qualifiers.

    On the whole the Russian troops who raped 2 million women were nice young men.

    Jewish people can be brilliant, creative, warm . . . once they get over their psychotic narcissism** and stop slaughtering other people’s children.

    Jeffrey Dahmer can be very polite and well-mannered.

    ** Israel’s Growing Insanity

    • Replies: @Marais
  81. denk says:

    we had been warned…

    *Anti-war activists are still fixated on Iran, but not Brzezinski is not – his target is China, TWENTY times bigger than Iran, with ICBMs ready to launch, followed by Russia, the world’s biggest nuclear power. Such confused activists need to focus on stopping the next war – the final global showdown with China, and Russia. That means rejecting Brzezinski’s puppet candidate Obama.*

    http://www.rense.com/general81/abig.htm

  82. @conatus

    “Israel has 80-90 nuclear weapons with deliverability and has tested them. Iran has done neither and has none so what’s with the Big Scare?”

    Indeed. Pat Buchanan summed it up quite nicely by asking the question: “How is Israel, with hundreds of atom bombs, mortally imperiled by a deal that leaves Iran with not a single ounce of bomb-grade uranium?”

    • Replies: @alexander
  83. alexander says:
    @Carroll Price

    Right you are ..

    Plus let us consider the amount of money Iran spends on its military…what is the number? 15 billion dollars…..
    Even if we double that, 30 billion, that is less than five percent of what we spend on ours..

    Five percent !.

    Doesn’t seem from their” gigantic “military buildup they are “hell bent” on global domination…

    I suppose that is one more phony feather in King Bibi’s crown of fraud !

  84. @Sam Shama

    “I disagree. AIPAC et al. are not operated or funded by the Taxpayer, to my knowledge (am I wrong?) The idea is to at least slow them down on fuelling this herd behaviour momentum, detrimental for US’ international objectives, and inimical to the civic duties of Jewish Americans.”

    That’s one of the problems that should have been fixed a long time ago. Although AIPAC is clearly a subversive element influencing US foreign policy, the American people do not know the source of AIPAC’s funding because they have never been required to register as agents of a foreign power.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  85. @Sam Shama

    I had rather judge members of the Tribe by their actions, than by how they interpret Talmudic teachings.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  86. bluto says:

    This talk and the series preceding it were the result on a successful academic freedom challenge at SFCC:

    ‘The Successful 2nd American Revolution 4-2-2015*, 1P1V1S, and America free of the Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby’

    WHEN: July 1st, Wed evening, 6:00 – 7:00pm
    WHERE: Classroom 219, West Wing, Santa Fe Community College,
    WHO: Dr Lance Dale Call [email protected] 505-428-1000 to find classroom

    A talk providing description and context of the historic clean break with the Israeli Lobby made *4-2-2015 with the signing of the Iran Framework Nuclear Deal (finalized June 30 with the Iran Nuclear Deal), the collapse of Israeli Apartheid and 1P1V1S, and America politically free of the Israeli Lobby

    The critical US Strategic Pivots of the 2nd American Revolution:
    The Pivot on Israel’s strategy on Iran *4-2-15
    The Pivot on Israel’s strategy on Palestine

    Dissolution of Israeli Apartheid:
    1P1V1S – One Person, One Vote, One State from the River to the Sea

    The 3 causative ‘existential events’ of the Apartheid’s collapse:

    The 3 dispositive and concurrent existential events seen as such by Israel itself:

    Fresh History #1: The Iran Nuclear Deal: signed sealed and delivered June 30
    Fresh History #2: Successfully advancing Palestinian case at the ICC
    Fresh History #3: Catastrophic reversal of US Diplomatic cover at UN

    – ‘Concurrency and synergy of crises and Strategic Collapse of Israeli Apartheid/Strategic Collapse of the Israeli Lobby’

    American Political Consequences and Resets :

    ‘America politically free of the Israeli Lobby/Jewish Lobby’
    ‘Battle Royale – Obama’s Legacy slam-dunking Hillary’s Near-Presidency’
    Sheldon Adelson’s ‘Chinese Mafia links’ US Court Case
    ‘There is no Israel Lobby of Post-Apartheid 1P1V1S’
    CHECKMATE: ‘Queen Hillary on an AIPAC Horse’

    ====
    Goals: General familiarity with current US and Israeli policy position and state of play amidst rapidly evolving events and importance of consumption of Israeli media to understanding above

  87. Sam Shama says:
    @Carroll Price

    I am very opposed to the tactics and activities of AIPAC in this country. However, please try to be logical:

    (1) If they are a ‘foreign agency’ then the sources of their funds (as long as they are from legitimate sources, not among the list pronounced verboten by the U.S.) is a moot issue.
    (2) If they are not a foreign agency, and indeed American, then they are, just like, many, many other PACs, with their own funding from membership. There are no PACs (to my knowledge) that receive U.S. Taxpayer funding.

    I think what these PACs are doing to distort the civic duties of Jewish Americans is reprehensible. But they are not getting funded by the Taxpayer.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  88. Sam Shama says:
    @Carroll Price

    If you had paid attention to the post in which I was adding some elaboration (@Sherman’s objection to ‘Jewwatch’, generally presenting a highly discredited interpretation of Jewish religious practice), and which, I was discussing with @geokat62, you might then have realised, the reference to Talmudic teachings.

    As is typical in your case, you simply heard a whirring sound over your head.

    Please don’t look up. The moment has passed.

  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Take a look at maneuvers near Ukraine, and tell me the US is retreating from military provocation.

  90. Moi says:
    @Sam Shama

    So you’re saying the Talmud is goyim friendly? LOL.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  91. Sam Shama says:
    @Moi

    If you feel the deep urge to make a point, please do so with some substance and logic. Read what I wrote carefully, especially in the 3rd paragraph.

    I speculate with some evidence, that there are probably no more than a handful of people globally, who have read and digested the entire work (certainly the product of a time long past). I most certainly have not, but claim the good fortune to have received instruction from a truly wise teacher, the kindest soul, really. Which is precisely why I point you to that 3rd paragraph and beyond, in my last post.

  92. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think what these PACs are doing to distort the civic duties of Jewish Americans is reprehensible.

    Sam, even though AIPAC has the letters PAC in their name, it isn’t a PAC:

    AIPAC does not raise funds for political candidates itself, but helps organize to channel money to candidates.

    If you are sincere about your proposal to dismantle the Zionist project, you should be supportive of efforts to have AIPAC register as a foreign lobby, for the purpose of FARA is to facilitate “evaluation by the government and the American people of the statements and activities of such persons.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Sam Shama
  93. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/zoa-ordered-to-register-as-israeli-foreign-agent-seven-times—declassified-justice-department-files-180363911.html

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  94. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Geo,
    In principle you might be right. I am not quite there yet, honestly. This action will likely present us with a really, really thorny issue, perhaps reminiscent of the internment of Japanese citizens ( I am sure S2C would love to do this to Jews. Would you?) Point is, the membership is all American. You would be essentially asking citizens to submit to this dictat. My goal is to make the change from inside.

    So I fear the consequences might be terrible.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  95. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    This link leads us to a non-existent page

    • Replies: @geokat62
  96. annamaria says:
    @Boris M Garsky

    “We can expect a major terrorist attack in 2016/2017- here or in Israel; Saudi nationals or Iranian nationals? I write short stories on espionage, expect my imagination to fly.”
    This does not sound like imagination. It sounds squarely like the AIPAC-designed talking point.

  97. Marais says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Solon to Crœsus

    “Catholics seem peculiarly susceptible to Jewish sucker-bait, supporting those poor Jews against evil Lutheranish evildoers.”

    You mean Catholics like Adolph Hitler, Rudolf Höß, Heinrich Himmler, Heinrich (Gestapo) Müller, Hans Frank, and (1/2) Reinhard Heydrich?

    “Piano wire was good enough for Streicher and Mussolini”

    Streicher was hung by conventional means. Mussolini was shot.

    “FDR, Churchill, Brandeis, Frankfurter, Untermyer & Wise are right in there with Bush, Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, Netanyahu, in having dragged ordinary Americans into a genocidal war for the sake of the zionist project.”

    “Justice for Germans!”

    “Justice for Palestine!”

    “Because Anglo-zionists got away with the ethnic cleansing and culture-code [sic] of Germany, they could continue their ethnic cleansing of Palestine.“

    It’s surprising you left out Morgenthau. The justice delivered Germany in WW2 and at Nüremberg was tragic, but not undeserved. Had the 1916 Verdun battlefield or the Leuven library been on German soil, acquainting them with the full war experience, WW2 might never well have happened. Instead, they had the Versailles Treaty and self pity to use in resentful conspiracy theories that enabled thugs like Hitler.

    “Traitors deserve to be executed.”

    With or without a trial? As said before, the willingness to generalize in a manner that deprives individuals of their identity, alienates them from equal justice, and saddles them with a collective guilt is a dangerous thing: too often it’s followed by murder. It didn’t work for the Nazis and shouldn’t work for ‘Price Tag’ colonists or those seeking to make Iran a monolithic enemy. If one strongly objects to targeted assassination, rendition, preemptive war, and Netanyahu’s meddling in US domestic politics (and I do), isn’t the most effective course, torturous as it may be, to refute advocates one by one, argument by argument?

    As Nietzsche advised: “Wer mit Ungeheuen kämpf, mag zusehn, daß er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuerwird. Und wenn du lange in einem Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein. (He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, an abyss also gazes into you).”

    • Replies: @5371
    , @SolontoCroesus
  98. @Sam Shama

    Gotta hand it to you Sam, you don’t follow the hasbara playbook.

    Following the law of the land by registering as a foreign agent leads inexorably to internments as happened to Japanese (and Germans and Italians in USA, I might add)??

    That’s a leap.

    Why would complying with the law of the land represent a “thorny issue?”

    The nature of the Jewish state is what represents the thorny: Jews in the “diaspora” are considered by Jews in Israel as part of the Jewish ‘state.’ Israel creates of Jews in the USA dual loyalists, whether they like it or not.

    When my Mother became a naturalized citizen of USA she swore an oath to foreswear allegiance to any other prince or state, and to profess loyalty solely to USA.

    It’s reasonable to demand that Jews who consider membership in AIPAC make the same declaration:
    Choose

    Do you choose to be loyal to AIPAC, which will have been required to register as a foreign agent, or do you choose to be loyal to USA?

    It’s not that difficult a concept.

    I sure don’t know where you’re coming from with the internment camp analogy.

    nb. I believe the concept of dual citizenship, in the USA system, was pushed thru via a judicial decision involving Jewish person/persons. That needs to be struck down.

    The immigration debate in USA has numerous precedents in the actions of Jews to force admittance to USA in 1920s and 1930s. Please don’t bellyache about evil Hitler kicking Jews out. Eastern European Jews had overrun Germany, which had been rendered unable to defend its borders. There were brawls in the streets, most often victimizing German citizens. Clearing out undesirable East Europeans was just as legitimate for Germany’s government then as many argue that it is legitimate for USA to clear out illegals and limit legal migration to USA today. The essence of a nation is control of its borders.

    nb. Grant Smith is THE expert on FARA, especially with respect to Israeli agents.
    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2012/03/holder-needs-to-issue-fara-surrender-to-israel-by-grant-smith-irmep.html

    and

    http://irmep.org/ILA/Senate/default.asp

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  99. Sorry to say, but Phil has bought into the idea of Obama has “peace maker”. He should know better.

    Obama’s only purpose in crafting the Iran deal is to provide himself with some foreign policy “legacy” – after having destroyed FOUR countries during his administation – Libya, Syria, Yemen and Ukraine – and continued damaging Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Obama is simply posturing himself as a “peace maker” for the benefit of his thoroughly undeserved Nobel Peace Prize. In reality, however, he continues to push for war with Syria and continues to double down on Ukraine and war between NATO and Russia.

    As for the Iran deal, it is clear that Obama really doesn’t care if the deal eventually falls through – either under his administration or the next one – as long as he can’t be personally BLAMED for it falling through.

    The proof is in his maneuvers with regard to Syria. The entire purpose of the Syria crisis is to degrade Syria’s – and by enabling Israel to attack Hizballah in Lebanon via Syria territory, Hizballah’s – ability to be an effective actor in an Iran war. Obama has pushed this all along. The proof is that every UN Resolution submitted by the US has included Chapter 7 language which could be used to authorize an attack by the US and NATO on Syria. Only Russia and China vetoes prevented this.

    And Phil’s suggestion that it was pushback by the public that prevented Obama’s war with Syria in 2013 is utterly wrong. It was Putin’s diplomacy getting Assad to give up his chemical weapons that derailed Obama’s plans. Otherwise you have to assume Obama really believed the entirely bogus intelligence that Assad was responsible for the Auguest 2013 chemical attacks. Obama isn’t that stupid. If he intended to attack Syria then, he continues to intend to attack Syria.

    With the Obama administration continuing to push for a “no fly zone” in Syria and continued complaints about Syrian use of chemical weapons as well as doubling down with his pointless “moderate insurgents” training,, it is clear Obama has not backed off from war with Syria.

    And the entire point of war with Syria is Iran. Israel cannot attack Iran until Syria and Hizballah in Lebanon are degraded. Once this is done – if it can be done – then Israel will be free to attack Iran – and the US will follow. This is Israel’s gameplan – and it is Obama’s gameplan. And it will be the next Administration’s gameplan as well.

    Don’t be suckered by Obama’s phoney Iran deal. It’s a con job which will inevitably lead to war with Iran.

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Ronald Thomas West
  100. @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard,
    If you had prompted him to do so, the “distinguished scholar who happened to be Reform rabbi ” would have also told you that neither Palestine or Palestinian people have ever existed.

  101. @Wizard of Oz

    It was pointed out to me that there were Jews (from Palestine) in the Rhineland before there were Germans. Hence the large infusion of mostly Celtic genes in otherwise mostly ME Semitic Ashkenazim.

    lol

    no doubt there was Israeli hummus before garbanzo beans sprang forth from the earth.

    And Israeli’s invented irrigation before g_d separated the waters and the firmament.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  102. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I follow no handbook, other than my own deductive principles. You on the other hand are straight out of Der Stürmer.

    Given the sort of vituperation and ill-will I see in these pages, I am left with not a warm feeling regarding moves of this nature , which could quite easily escalate to something much, much nastier. The Japanese were first asked to register as persons descended of a foreign lineage. The new law then expanded to internment. This can happen again.

    Witness the rage you expressed last night. Actually free of any inebriation that I had mistakenly attributed it to. You called for the hanging and be-heading of Jews in this country. Why do I feel that given an opportunity, that is blithely what you would do. Judge, Jury and Executioner.

    This barely disguised, gleefully expressed, deep wellspring of hatred, that confronts me oftentimes in these pages, forces me to dwell on my own debates with my co-religionists, as wrong-headed, or at any rate misplaced. I have been engaged in serious disagreements with a number of my fellow congregants, none of which aids me. Perhaps these older men understand the nature of the issue better. Perhaps I am a victim of my own brain luring the man inside the body into actions inimical to its self interest.

    I don’t need to be lectured by anyone about swearing allegiance to this country. I already have done so, and if called to serve in the forces, my little brother and I would not think twice about it. Including going to war against Israel (may G’d never let this happen).

    And I never shy away from acknowledging the agony of the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @SolontoCroesus
  103. Shafi says:
    @Ivan

    Ivan:

    I was just a plain browser before I came to your two liner.

    The “Islamic God” who you slander as a matter of fact is also the Jewish and Christian God, to mention two faiths.

    He is far from the characterization you make of Him: one infarction and you are out.

    Among many names He is known by, by His revelation, are:

    Rahman-ur Raheem – The All Compassionate, The All Merciful

    At-Tawwab – The Guide to Repentance

    Afu-un Kareem – The Overlooker (of misbehaviors), The Noble

    Shakur-un Haleem – The Grateful (imagine, to His creatures), The Forbearing

    Ar-Rauf – The Clement

    Al-Adl – The Just

    Ghafur-ul Wadud – The Forgiving, The Loving

    Please think before you ink. And, please, do not add to or start, your version of anti-Semitism. This time against the Muslims.

    Enough is enough. Let good sense and good language prevail!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  104. Sam Shama says:
    @Shafi

    Bismillah ir Rahman ur Rahim

    Assalam u Alelikum wah Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh

    • Replies: @Shafi
  105. Shafi says:

    DNA testing of the Palestinians and Jews should tell us whether the former have also belonged to the land called Palestine.

    The Palestinians largely may be Muslims now, but they were Jews or Christians before.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
  106. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Given the sort of vituperation and ill-will I see in these pages, I am left with not a warm feeling regarding moves of this nature , which could quite easily escalate to something much, much nastier. (emphasis added)

    Sam, if you truly wish to avoid things from escalating, you should be very supportive of getting AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. If the “special relationship” isn’t returned to a more “normal” one soon, the things you fear most may come true. That’s why I asked you in a previous post if you had read Oedipus Rex, the story about self-fulfilling prophecies.

  107. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    For some reason, linking to this page isn’t working. Here’s the original source:

    ZOA ordered to register as Israeli foreign agent seven times – declassified Justice Department files

    WASHINGTON, Nov. 21, 2012 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ — The following is being released by Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy:

    The Zionist Organization of America (ZOA) was ordered on seven separate occasions to register under the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) according to newly declassified Department of Justice (DOJ) files. On October 17, 2012 the National Archives and Records Administration released under FOIA the long-secret files, now available online at the Israel Lobby Archive.

    ZOA incorporated on April 14, 1920 in New York. DOJ officials determined in 1947 that ZOA was controlled by the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a global entity composed of dues-paying members committed to the Zionist program for a Jewish state in Palestine. ZOA activities, negotiations with governments and NGOs were all subject to WZO approval. ZOA regarded WZO as the ultimate disciplinary and dispute resolution authority. ZOA was also beholden to WZO orders for unspecified “political actions of another kind.”

    In 1956 ZOA Pittsburgh chapter President Zalman Shapiro incorporated the Nuclear Material and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) which operated a nuclear processing facility on the Apollo Industries steel site. Future ZOA national president Ivan Novick was an original Apollo Industries founder. The FBI investigated excessive NUMEC losses of weapons-grade uranium and Shapiro’s 1960s interactions with Rafael Eitan, an Israeli spymaster who later ran Jonathan Pollard against the United States. NUMEC established a joint venture with the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, later revealed by researcher Avner Cohen to be a front for Israel’s clandestine nuclear weapons program. A 2001 Energy Department audit found that NUMEC lost more weapons-grade uranium (337 kilograms) than any other facility in U.S. history. Declassified CIA and FBI files reveal US officials believed NUMEC illegally diverted nuclear material to Israel.

    The newly released DOJ files reveal a secret 1948 meeting where the Attorney General promised to exempt ZOA from all FARA registration and prosecutions in exchange for changes to ZOA/WZO governing documents. However reports filed by Justice Department staff responsible for FARA enforcement reveal that even by 1960 the promised changes had not been made. ZOA is currently attempting to regain tax-exempt status revoked by the IRS in 2011.

    The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) is the nation’s record keeper. It retains 1%-3% of the most important documents of business conducted by the United States Federal government. The Israel Lobby Archive, http://IRmep.org/ila is a unit of the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy in Washington.

    SOURCE Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy

  108. @SolontoCroesus

    You are capable of looking things up so why suddenly go silly on what was quoted as a peripheral snippet illustrating that my inference had been approved as correct.

    How do you think the genes for fair and redhair and blue eyes got into Ashkenazim in such obviously large numbers? Presumably you know about Phoenician traders, Carthage etc. Do you think they were the last lot of enterprising Semites to set themselves up throughout Roman realms as merchants, especially in the borderlands? How long do you think they would have waited for a bride from Palestine before some of the smarter local girls got their hooks into them?

    Are you Aspergerish? Have you no imagination?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  109. @Richard Steven Hack

    Phil’s suggestion that it was pushback by the public that prevented Obama’s war with Syria in 2013 is utterly wrong. It was Putin’s diplomacy getting Assad to give up his chemical weapons that derailed Obama’s plans. Otherwise you have to assume Obama really believed the entirely bogus intelligence that Assad was responsible for the Auguest 2013 chemical attacks. Obama isn’t that stupid. If he intended to attack Syria then, he continues to intend to attack Syria

    Actually, push-back was part of the equation, I recall the quite large groundswell of public outrage. What subsequently became clear was, an attack on Syria prior to Syria’s chemical weapons disposal would have left the USA holding the public relations bag when al-Nusra (among other actors) came into possession of Assad’s chemical weapons stocks. I detailed this fact, as a former intelligence professional, to my senator (Jon Tester) in a letter to which he responded to myself individually, also mentioning there was considerable opposition to a campaign in Syria.

    Obama would never have taken up Putin’s offer if it weren’t for the obvious; de facto delivering Syria’s considerable chemical weapons stocks to al-Qaida would have become a public relations disaster. The public opposition to another campaign might well have been what tipped the scales. Phil is not far off the mark, if anything it is a sin of omission detailing the wider picture but one can only do so much in a single article without it becoming too long and too complex for many readers.

    What had developed in the meanwhile, is another story. The calculated barbarism of Daesh is likely intended to moot domestic opposition to further involvement in Syria. Hamid Karzai has spoken to the phenomenon of ‘dual policy’ where a state actor promotes (via sleight of hand) the very group(s) that actor is engaging in hostilities. You will see this as much as admitted in the Defense Intelligence Agency assessment I’d posted up in my earlier comment, here’s the link again:

    -https://www.scribd.com/doc/268764979/DIA-assessment-public-domain

    ^

    • Agree: Seamus Padraig
    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  110. Shafi says:
    @Sam Shama

    Wa alaikum-us Salam wa rahmatullah!

    Good morning from here from whereverland!

  111. Sam Shama says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Actually, push-back was part of the equation, I recall the quite large groundswell of public outrage. What subsequently became clear was, an attack on Syria prior to Syria’s chemical weapons disposal would have left the USA holding the public relations bag when al-Nusra (among other actors) came into possession of Assad’s chemical weapons stocks. I detailed this fact, as a former intelligence professional, to my senator (Jon Tester) in a letter to which he responded to myself individually, also mentioning there was considerable opposition to a campaign in Syria.

    Makes complete sense. Al-Nusra’s paychecks (at least the division operating in Syrian side beyond Golan heights is issued by Bibi.

  112. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, I am Aspergish, thank you for correctly diagnosing the complexities of the psychophysiological status of an avatar.

    wrt to the other part of your comment, it is not a topic that interests me. But thank you for your interest.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  113. @Sam Shama

    I started a lengthy assessment of each and every one of your statements, Sam Shama, complete with lengthy bibliography, links, analogies, counter-arguments — the whole ball of wax.

    It’s hanging out there on another screen.

    It’s headed for Delete.

    This crowd and this conversation is getting boring.
    Carry on whatever that convoluted debate it is that you are having with your elders about whether or not starving, killing and dispossessing people should be stopped. The rest of the world knows instinctively that what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, and what Israelis and so many Jewish people are saying and planning for Iran, and what so many Jewish leaders engineered for Iraq, is the basest and most hateful evil imaginable.

    I am sure that the People of Palestine will be forever grateful to you, as they bury their children, that you acknowledge their agony, even as you perpetuate the same evil lies and narcissistic psychopathology by which Jewish people have systematically reduced Palestinians to the state where the only hope they have is to bear multiple children in the hope that one, or two of them can break out from under the Jewish boot that your super-intelligent Superman-writing Hollywood culture-rot producing tribe maintain on their necks.

    • Replies: @alexander
  114. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sherman

    Sherman, if you are not a physicist, then dont comment like a layman. Many physicists, including 29 eminent ones in USA have supported this deal and the IAEA inspection regime.

  115. 5371 says:
    @Marais

    Neither Heß (not Höß), nor Frank, nor Heydrich were Catholic, and Hitler’s first name was Adolf, not Adolph. But thank you for favouring us with your profound thoughts anyway.

    • Replies: @Marais
  116. @Marais

    Marais
    You are sick.

    as distasteful as it is to converse with such as you, this at least must not pass without a response:

    “Traitors deserve to be executed.”

    With or without a trial?

    Same trial that was held for Mostafa Roshan

  117. Marais says:
    @5371

    Rudolf Höß (Hoess), commandant of Auschwitz, and Hans Frank were indeed Catholic. Heydrich was the son of a Catholic mother (1/2). Sorry about ‘Adolph’ (an inadvertent spell check mistake). Hopes this helps.

  118. @Marais

    don’t know about Europe — Jews all over the United States lie, cheat and steal to get into Catholic schools and universities.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  119. @Marais

    damn right they were Catholic,

    that is what made Germany so moral, and made it such an imperative that Jews like Theodore Kaufman, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. and Erich Mendelsohn destroy it, destroy the pride of Germany’s manhood and the virtue of its women.

    They did the same to Russia, but Russia is Back; Christian Russia is back.

    • Replies: @Marais
  120. 5371 says:
    @Marais

    No, Hans Frank was not Catholic until he converted shortly before being hanged, and Heydrich was brought up as a Protestant; what possible relevance does his mother’s affiliation have? I thought you could not be so foolish as to claim that Höß was a figure of similar importance to Heß or the others; evidently I overestimated you.
    [Hopes this helps.]
    You certainly need help from somewhere.

    • Replies: @Marais
  121. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Except, Jewish SAT scores are about half a standard deviation higher than the white gentiles (Catholics included). Do you understand what a half standard deviation in a normal distribution signifies? And this from a population of Jews that are admittedly striving not as hard (something that we shall remedy)

    The self-reported aptitude of Jews was 0.49 SD higher than that of Gentiles in general and the self-reported aptitude of White Jews was 0.39 SD higher than that of White Gentiles.

    http://humanvarieties.org/2013/04/18/the-aptitude-of-jews-and-gentiles-at-selective-universities-in-the-us-and-some-other-stuff/

    At Harvard last year, the lowest SAT score for Jews was 2289, which was a full 30 points higher than the average.

    Its funny that you should be talking about Catholics and cheating in the same breath. Pederasty being the activity of choice for the high priests of the avowed moralisers.

  122. @Sam Shama

    and the nasty mask peels off … forehead … nose … chin — EXPOSED

    the overly-polite punctilious poseur is revealed as a sack of flour.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  123. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I see.

    Making false, slanderous comments about Jews cheating to get into schools is perfectly fine in your distorted world view, but the pious catholic Nazi cannot stand to hear of the truth, so widely documented, so widely condemned.

    You are actually getting exposed as a mean-spirited individual, with blinders on. You go from screaming rants to pseudo friendliness, just as I would expect.

    So how about another threat to POP Jews? (I mean it does act in a therapeutic fashion for you, does it not?)

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  124. @SolontoCroesus

    Your Aspergerish qualities are what will surely stop any finger poised over the Ignore this Commenter button even when you have been offensive. I hope you may be as useful as Michael Burry and there are plenty of suggestions that Bill Gates is one of your tribe**. Who would you nominate as the world’s greatest Aspergerites?

    **presumably “tribe” is completely wrong though there must be some cult leaders whose Aspergerish singlemindeness and thoroughness held the whole show together…

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @SolontoCroesus
  125. @Sherman

    I’m not a nuclear physicist but this deal does not exactly seem airtight.

    Maybe, but when you compare it to Israel, which allows no inspections, spot or otherwise, it seems pretty good.

  126. Sam Shama says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Wiz,
    I would concur with your decision regarding the “Ignore” button while making a small observation, and wonder if you agree:

    People with severe Asperger’s spew insults quite uniformly to one and all, when triggered by the slightest form of disagreement. He, on the other hand, must present a rather unique and interesting case for the Asperger’s researcher, in that his invectives are exclusively reserved for Jews.

    If the affliction is indeed as not as surmised in the preceding paragraph, why I wonder then, have we not had any of the astute and balanced commentators (non Jews), taking him to task for his otherwise repulsive comments? (One exception: Ronald Thomas West).

  127. @Wizard of Oz

    I have no idea what you are trying to say, WoO.

    no clue who M Burry is. Bill Gates fits in how?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  128. @Sam Shama

    Comment #66 crossed the line. I regret having posted it.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  129. @Sam Shama

    That’s all perfectly logical since Jews are in charge of grading the test.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  130. @alexander

    You could almost make a reality tv show out of it: “America’s Next Hitler!”

  131. Sam Shama says:
    @Carroll Price

    It might be a good idea for you to not open your mouth, since you tend to put your foot in it quite unfailingly.

    The SAT is machine graded. can you be any more stupid and uninformed?

  132. Sam Shama says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Well I take you for your word.

    I understand that your study of Zionist history and what you perceive as the ill-behaviour of Jews, fill you with exasperation, or indeed dislike. I myself consider the distortion presented today, as reprehensible and devoid of any moral compass.

    Yet you must understand that the large majority of Jews in this country and in Israel (those that do not live in the WB) are actually not that clued in to the atrocities committed by the zionist settler-occupiers. The thing to do is to engage Jews in this country, and in Israel to see the truth.

    One aspect of the Jewish character I will agree with you is that we tend to be rather insecure about…..physical security of the group. Justified or not, this plays into the hands of the leaders (to wit, the recent successful election fear-mongering by Bibi)

    If you wish to change the lobby dynamics in this country, you will likely have very little success by attacking them frontally. It is much, much stronger than anything you can organise. A POTUS might be able to do it, but even a POTUS has a limited term. My argument has been that a permanent change can only come, if it is driven by the membership.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  133. @SolontoCroesus

    I suppose that though some have suspected that I am “on the spectrum” (as I am told is the PC way of putting it) I may be almost the opposite. “Fissiparous” is a word I remember used. “Discursive” would sometimes not be unfair. So I know that, outside what you are focused on I may be communicating poorly from your point of view.

    My references to Michael Burry and Bill Gates were just friendly inferential gestures, indeed compliments, to make it clear that far from being rude or critical about your Asperger status I could think if people whose Aspergerish characteristics had led to much good.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  134. Svigor says:

    The Lobby does not pay for goods already delivered. It is like a version of the Islamic god, one infarction and you are out.

    Reality can be like that too, if the infarction is myocardial.

    In Foreign Policy and Party Politics, (c. 1955) Westerfield devoted a chapter to what we now call the Israel lobby. He used words like “zealous,” “very wealthy,” “relentless,” “highly organized,” and “unopposed” to describe how zionists — identified as Jewish — pursue advocacy for Israel.

    That’s the Jews in a nutshell. Like Arabs with brains, and like the Arabs “ever at your feet or at your throat.”

    The only solution is to backhand them and make them cringe. It’s in their nature.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  135. Svigor says:

    Its funny that you should be talking about Catholics and cheating in the same breath. Pederasty being the activity of choice for the high priests of the avowed moralisers.

    One need only observe popular entertainment to get a good grasp on Jewish morality.

  136. Marais says:
    @5371

    “Hans Frank was not Catholic until he converted shortly before being hanged”

    You’re saying his conversion wasn’t genuine?

    “I thought you could not be so foolish as to claim that Höß was a figure of similar importance to Heß or the others…”

    I didn’t (it’s great you now remember there was a Rudolf Höß). If you review SolontoCrœsus’s assertion:

    “Catholics seem peculiarly susceptible to Jewish sucker-bait, supporting those poor Jews against evil Lutheranish evildoers.”

    I called his attention to Catholics unlikely to have been so disposed. Höß, in that respect, was an essential and intimate cog in a murder machine. Heß flew to Scotland a marginalized figure prior to Barbarossa ‘s wholesale killing. Heß was imprisoned for life; Höß was hung.

    All of this is, of course, too far afield from Giraldi’s subject: support for the JCPOA. Perhaps some are attempting to muddy the water?

    “You certainly need help from somewhere.”

    I’ll take all I can get: lamentably, I don’t think it’s coming from you.

    • Replies: @5371
  137. Marais says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    “Marais
    You are sick.
    as distasteful as it is to converse with such as you…”

    Nice ad hominem and projection: can’t think of anything substantive?

    “Same trial that was held for Mostafa Roshan”

    As usual, a change of subject. If you want justice for him (and other victims), be prepared to abide by the law his killers broke: otherwise, you’re no better than they.

    “don’t know about Europe — Jews all over the United States lie, cheat and steal to get into Catholic schools and universities.”

    “damn right they [Höß, Frank, Heydrich] were Catholic,
    that is what made Germany so moral, and made it such an imperative that Jews like Theodore Kaufman, Henry Morgenthau, Jr. and Erich Mendelsohn destroy it, destroy the pride of Germany’s manhood and the virtue of its women.”

    And I’m the sick one?

    You’ve strayed so far (and crudely) from Giraldi’s article/support for the JCPOA it’s hard to believe you’re not a hasbara double agent with several screen names trying to foul the nest and turn people off. If you are, congratulations.

    Parting references:

    • Henry Siegman (after Gaza news) talks about Palestine 13 Aug 2015 :

    http://publish.dvlabs.com/democracynow/360/dn2015-0813.mp4?&start=486.0

    Interviewer Amy Goodman, of course, is the granddaughter of an Orthodox rabbi (many whom continue to oppose Zionism). Tikkun magazine and the Jewish Voice for Peace were major opponents of the 2003 Iraq invasion.

    • ‘On the Iran deal, American Jewish ‘leaders’ don’t speak for most Jews” Todd Gitlin and Steven M. Cohen Washington Post 14 Aug 2015:

    (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/on-the-iran-deal-american-jewish-leaders-dont-speak-for-all-jews/2015/08/14/988e577e-41d5-11e5-846d-02792f854297_story.html)

    Mearsheimer and Walt cite a 2007 Gallop study indicating 77% of American Jews opposed the Iraq war (versus 52% of the general American pubic). AIPAC and the neocons don’t represent the American Jewish community they pretend to lead.

    • Replies: @KA
  138. 5371 says:
    @Marais

    [You’re saying his conversion wasn’t genuine?]

    I think questions like that should be left to a higher authority than either of us, don’t you? This exchange started when you claimed that Catholics had a predisposition – whether greater or merely equal to that of Protestants was no doubt not clear in your own mind – to attain prominence in the NSDAP regime. You are using a man who was never a Catholic until that regime had met its doom as evidence in support of your thesis – a lamentably illogical procedure.

    • Replies: @Marais
  139. KA says:
    @Marais

    How Anti-Iraq-War Jews Licensed Neoconservatism”
    “Ever since the rise of the neocons, my liberal Democratic mother and I have had the same argument. I say, “They’re Jews, and they’re representing Jewish political aims.” She says, “No they’re not. They’re a bunch of rightwing nuts. You keep talking about the Jewish support for the Iraq war; every Jew I know was against it.”

    I’ve never had a very articulate answer for my mother. Till I read James Petras’s wonderful piece on an AJC poll that makes her point–most American Jews opposed the Iraq war and oppose an attack on Iran…

    One reason for the gap between the
    ‘progressive’ polling results and the actual pro-war behavior of the
    major American Jewish Organizations is found in several of the opinions
    not cited by progressive analysts but emphasized by the 52 leaders of
    the major communal organizations (Daily Alert, December 13, 2007). Over
    eighty percent (82%) of American Jews agree that ‘the goal of the Arabs
    is not the return of occupied territories but rather the destruction of
    Israel’. Only 12% of Jews disagree. And 55% to 37% do not believe
    Israel and its Arab neighbors will settle their differences and live in
    peace. On the key issue of a compromise on the key issue of Jerusalem,
    by 58% to 36% American Jews reject an Israeli compromise to insure a
    framework for permanent peace.

    Given the high salience of being pro-Israel for the majority of
    American Jews and the fact that the source of their identity stems more
    from their loyalty to Israel than to the Talmud or religious myths and
    rituals, then it is clear that both the ‘progressive, majority of Jews
    and the reactionary minority who head up all the major American Jewish
    organizations have a fundamental point of agreement and convergence:
    Support and identity with Israel and its anti-Arab prejudices, its
    expansion and the dispossession of Palestine. [my emphasis] This overriding
    convergence allows the reactionary Presidents of the Major Jewish
    Organizations in America to speak for the Jewish community with
    virtually no opposition from the progressive majority either within or
    without their organizations. By raising the Israeli flag, repeating
    clichés about the ‘existential threat’ to Israel at each and every
    convenient moment, the majority of Jews have bowed their heads and
    acquiesced or, worst, subordinated their other ‘progressive’ opinions
    to actively backing the leaders ‘identity’ with Israel. Their franchise
    on being the recognized Jewish spokespeople intimidates and/or forces
    progressive Jews to publicly abide to the line that ‘Israel (sic) knows
    what is best for Israel’ and by extension for all American Jews who
    identify with Israel.

    Petras has just about nailed it. The crazy rightwingers are actually speaking in the name of progressive Jews. These rightwingers aren’t fringies. They are supported. They dominate the leadership of Jewish organizations and as I have noted here before, gained support for the Iraq war from an overwhelming majority of anti-Vietnam-war Jewish Democratic congressmen. The Jane Harman type. Which is to say that neoconservatism has been licensed by the larger Jewish community, because secretly or unconsciously that community feels that these guys are standing up for Israel. The neocons are the tough brother-in-law.

    When will we disown him? I keep waiting for the Jewish soulsearching over what neocon Jewish ideas about Arabs have done to the Middle East, Jewish identity, and America. But progressive Jews won’t lead that soulsearching until they acknowledge their own agency in the mess. Until they accept that Jerusalem doesn’t belong to the Jews. 58% to 36% against dividing Jerusalem! My god. No wonder Camp David fell apart over that issue…

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2007/12/james-petras-ha#sthash.N7ESGKqI.dpuf

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  140. RobinG says:
    @KA

    Thank you, KA.

    Here’s a link to the Petras article (the embedded link at MW is dead) –
    American Jews on War and Peace: What Do the Polls Tell Us and Not Tell Us?
    http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=1723

    Please note, both this article and Phil Weiss’ @MW are from 2007, but THIS IS VERY TIMELY. Right now, at MW there is a debate raging about JVP’s exclusion of Alison Weir. The question of “progressive” American Jewish identification with Israel (as described by Petras) is between the lines. Hence their defensive response to any critical analysis of the legitimacy (or lack of it) of the state of Israel.

    They are, mostly, working overtime to seem polite and PC, assisted by moderation and “thought guidance” by MW staffer Annie Robbins. This rift, and all the wasted time and energy, must make the hasbarat very happy.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/roundtable-palestinian-solidarity?utm_source=Mondoweiss+List&utm_campaign=c34035f567-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b86bace129-c34035f567-398538381

    BTW, I just saw a great acronym, described on a pro-Israel site thus–

    “The term “JSIL,” which stands for “Jewish State in the Levant,” is a derogatory term for the State of Israel coined by the American anti-Semitic propagandist Max Blumenthal, which seeks to compare the Jewish state with the Islamic State terrorist organization.”

    • Replies: @KA
  141. Hrw-500 says:

    More on the table, Al Sharpton calls to lobby on Iran deal. Looks like he try to find a way to screw up as usual.
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/251209-sharpton-calls-for-black-churches-to-lobby-on-iran-deal

  142. KA says:
    @RobinG

    Thank you for the link.
    The take home message from the analysis is that the letters of the rules but not the spirit of the rules are always embraced ,upheld,honored,and then showcased by the Zionist .
    The eagle like focus has always been not the broad behavior of Hamas but this decade old dead charter or century old angry expression of Arab to Balfourian plot ,not on the broad consistent and perfectly meanigfully congruous behavior of Iran but the decade old chants” Death to America” . It has succeeded in the repeated attempts to question with vile and malice ,sidetrack,and belittle and ignore the Arab attempts to reach a deal that is consistent with US and International position
    . The rejectionism or plain fear of the peace and compromises have been the defining trait of the Zionist’s foreign policy ( Zionism has no domestic policy )
    This is why it invents new letter,alphabet,words,phrases,sentences,and ideas to undermine and oppose the preceding letter ,alphabet,ideas that it ( Zionism) itself invented days,months,or years ago.

    How many times have the world been forced fed the ideas that ” Israel is the only democracy” by Zio? Thousand of times.
    But how many times has it engaged in destroying democracy in Arab? Answer is that from the very birth of Zionism in Arab .

    M Oren can proudly quote the best desire of Israeli officer that US should only favor and force tyrannical ,dictatorial and unrepresentative rules in Arab countries.

    ( Where to begin? How about the 2011 Arab springs, when mass demonstrations for human rights swept Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere. Oren, like the rest of the Israeli establishment, is appalled that the Obama administration seems at first to tentatively sympathize with the Arab democracy movement, (the mild U.S. support would soon stop). He quotes a senior Israeli approvingly: “‘Why won’t Americans face the truth?’ one frustrated Israeli ex-general exclaimed to me. ‘To defend Western freedom, they must preserve Middle Eastern tyranny.’”

    – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/08/michael-memoir-revelations#sthash.1TDzOdYX.dpuf)

    Jews in America otherwise get little or can get a little anti Obama!

    Obama’s stand on Israel risks alienating Jewish voters
    tucson.com/…/obama…stand…risks-alienating-jewish…/image_711bd089-

    Israel warns US: Alienating Egyptian army could risk peace talks …
    http://www.jpost.com/…/Israel-warns-US-Alienating-Egyptian-army-might-risk-p…

    washingtonjewishweek.com/4714/u-s-conflicted-over-aid-to-egypt/
    Aug 21, 2013 –

    Obama seeks to mollify U.S. Jewish groups uneasy about Mideast …
    articles.latimes.com/2011/mar/09/nation/la-na-obama-jews-20110309
    As Egypt’s government hurtled toward collapse, a senior White House official got on the phone with … March 09, 2011|By Peter Nicholas, Washington Bureau.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/joseph-puder/obamas-disastrous…of…/2/
    Sep 27, 2011 – Now let us consider the results of Obama’s intervention in the Middle East. … Peter Nicholas wrote, “U.S. open to a role for Islamists in new Egypt government. …. Left: Volume IV: Islamo-Fascism and the War Against the Jews …

    Obama’s stance on Egypt risks alienating Jews .Muslim Brotherhood role in rule,US view of group are at issue.Peter Nicholas .Chicago Tribune
    03/07/2007

    Does one still need to wonder why Zio behavior or all transactions with Goym is predicated on the belief that gentiles are gullible ,immature,cattle,and soulless inferior creature?

  143. Help get Benjamin Netanyahu arrested for war crimes: sign this petition

    Stop the War Coalition 15 August 2015.
    Sign the petition to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu for war crimes when he makes an official state visit to Britain in September 2015. . . .

    A parliamentary petition is calling for him to be arrested for war crimes following Israel’s barbaric assault on Gaza in Summer 2014, in which over 2,200 Palestinians were killed, most of them civilians, including more than 500 children.

    The petition says:

    Benjamin Netanyahu is to hold talks in London this September. Under international law he should be arrested for war crimes upon arrival in the U.K for the massacre of over 2000 civilians in 2014.
    The petition is well on the way to getting 100,000 signatures, which will qualify it for debate by MPs in parliament. The petition can be signed by UK citizens and residents and British citizens living abroad.

    Don’t forget: It was the fortuitous conjunction of British Parliament voting against action against Syria that caused Obama to stop and think; and the lifeline that Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov tossed to US Sec’y of State John Kerry to remove CW from Syria, that prevented a US-led attack on Syria THEN.

    Let the British lead in showing the world that there exists a strong anti-war sentiment, if not ‘movement’ —

    Sign the Petition to Arrest Netanyahu for War Crimes

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  144. @Wizard of Oz

    Wizard of Australia? NZ? —

    StoC’s acknowledgement to being “Aspergerish” was pure smart-assery. StoC is not really sure what Asperger is other than a term tossed about from one anonymous keyboard to another with whom one disagrees.

    StoC’s original comment was in response to this element in your statement:

    Jews (from Palestine) in the Rhineland before there were Germans

    That makes sense only in the same way as Golda Meier insisted that Palestine was a land without a people. There was no unified state of Germany until 1871, but “Germans” crossed the Rhine to fight against, and then with, the Roman empire.

    Your statement is ludicrous.

    Maybe Asperger’s is the affliction of those who wander far into the weeds. StoC is compulsive about finding root causes. For example, Saker speaks of “Anglo zionists.” The ideological linkage is in their shared adulation of Abraham. One of the Pharisees’s (among the original zionists) most significant accomplishments was convincing the world that Abraham was the “father of three great religions based on Judaism ….” rather than the historically verifiable situation that Cyrus, follower of Zoroaster, taught Jews how to be ethical and how to think rather than gather rocks; and it was Cyrus who established the first great empire that extended universal human and religious rights.

    Cyrus was a real, historic person who was the antithesis of the mythos of Abrahamism

    As Torah itself records,
    1. Abraham is a mythic character
    2. Abraham’s first public act was the destruction of the icons of other people’s god; i.e. he was not a universalist but a homicidal particularist; that is, he killed anyone who did not agree with his version of god.
    3. Abrahamism elevates one group above another, in stark contrast to “all men are created equal;”

    Abrahamism plays favorites and exacerbates so-called sibling rivalries rather than loving all equally —

    Abrahamism is willing to cast away its first-born — as Abraham cast away his first born son, Ishmael, in favor of Isaac;

    Abrahamism is sufficiently dedicated to the ambition to earthly power that it is willing to terrorize its own young (i.e. the binding of Isaac) to ensure that the next generation remains bound to the tribe. holocaustism functions in that way to bind second and third generation “survivors” to zionism today.

    Zoroaster, on the other hand, insists that each person’s ethical decisions are his own; Islam declares that “There is no compulsion in religion.” A belief or act that is undertaken under duress is not an act of a man exercising free will.

    Zionist-Abrahamism’s roots are in Esther & Purim (as Gilad Atzmon explains in

    The Wandering Who

    The Book of Esther is the only book of Torah that does not mention god.
    The god that Ezra recorded in Torah is the universal god of Cyrus. Esther sought to subvert the universal god and elevate herself/her particularist tribe in the place of universalism.

    just some random thoughts —- whether Aspergery or not I do not know.

  145. @SolontoCroesus

    How can you say it is “ludicrous” to suggest that there might have been Jews in the Rhineland before there were Germans? Clearly you have no idea when Germanic speakers displaced the Celtic speakers or whoever was in the Rhineland before the Germanics or you would have given us the benefit of your reading. That there was no nation of Germany until 1871 is totally irrelevant to the question. Presumably the trading people of the Mediterranean, after the destruction of Carthage, went to far flung places like the Rhineland as merchants and some settled and intermarried with the locals. Do you know what date would have been the earliest for Germanic tribes settlement of the Rhineland? Was it not part of the Gaul of which Caesar famously wrote “Gallia in tres partes divisa est”? I am sure you would agree that the Gauls were not Germanic.

    As to Abraham, his myth seems to be equally important to the three major “Abrahamic” religions who all suffer from the same problem, namely their unpleasant and inconsistent God who clearly can’t care about us humans or he would have given clear instructions which would have extended to Buddhists, Hindus and Animists inter alios. While I see reason to admire the Parsees I have never taken much interest in Zoroastrianism. But what you say seems interesting enough to follow up sometime.

  146. @Wizard of Oz

    thanks for the response, Wiz o Oz.

    It’s long been apparent to me that Jesus at least had exposure to Zoroastrianism. Actually, I’m convinced Jesus was Persian. During his supposed time on earth the Roman empire was engaged in almost constant border wars of more or less intensity — the two empires had been sparring for over 600 years.

    I don’t know anything about this fellow except that he does interesting explorations of bible in terms of Zoroaster, in a casual-to-irreverent but highly informative fashion —

    Dr. Kaikhosrov D. Irani presents a more high-brow explanation of Zoroastrianism

  147. @Wizard of Oz

    PS Thomas Jefferson compared the faith traditions and assessed “the god of the Judaics” as “morally deficient” and socially backward and “in need of reform.”

    heh

    A Jewish- run publishing house now owns The Jefferson Bible.

  148. alexander says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I think the question should be…whether President Obama scoops him up on “terrorism” charges, not whether the UK comes down on him with war crime violations…

    But I suppose both would be overdue.

    I think the best outcome would be if his administration developed and actually implemented a “peace plan”, not a “perpetual war plan” which is all they seem to have now.

    A” just “resolution to the conflict , and a viable peace deal would serve everyone’s interests , better than a stint in federal prison.

    But maybe the idea of King Bibi actually seeking” peace” ,is hoping for a bit too much.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  149. @SolontoCroesus

    Oops! The omniscience seems to have slipped and with it surely some part of your argument and much if not all of its persuasiveness.

    You say “The Book of Esther is the only book of Torah that doesn’t mention god”. But Torah, or PENTAteuch, is the five books of Moses, namely Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy, Leviticus, Numbers.

    BTW I saw a headline in some webzine about Netanyahu having more support than Moses. Ah, the fantasy. Could not G-d have prevented Bibi also from entering the Promised Land?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  150. @Svigor

    Adaptable quotes like Churchill’s “the Hun [meaning Germans] is either at your throat or at your feet” don’t help you prove much about anything. Likewise you might have noticed that Westerfield in 1955 was writing of a recent phenomenon, understandably fashionable amongst rich Jews and most unlikely to remain monolithic and unchanged. I recall the foundation of the Australian Conservation Foundation, taken over by the Left within about 25 years, which could have been descriibed using the same adjectives. All you have done is illustrate your question begging prejudice.

    Come to think of it rich Jews enthusiasm for MOMA, the Met (Museum and Opera) and many other arts institutions could be described in much the same way….

  151. @SolontoCroesus

    It would surely be a breach of international law and custom of the most portentous, even dangerous, kind to arrest Netanyahu when on a state visit. Even accredited diplomats don’t get arrested (or if they are because DUI then they are quickly released whether or not they can stay in the country with diplomatic immunity intact). Pinochet was visiting the UK in a private capacity when he was arrested.

  152. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You are suggesting that the Jews from Carthage made all the way to Germany – Rhineand before there were any Germany. So who were there at that time before the arrival of the Jews?

    Jews didn’t come to build a city or town the from the scratch. They didn’t build any functioning society .Society with all the trappings that would allow commerce between farway places must have existed.

    Despite the calamity of Masada, Jews did enjoy the same ” court Jew” position within Roman system at provincial and local level both before and after the Jewish rebellion against Rome
    It is somewhat akin to the Jewish relationship with European- American political system. Despite pogrom and Nazi phenomenon,Jews continued to maintain close relationship with Czar,Nazi,Soviet,British political system and entrenched the relation with US both before and after the Holocaust.
    Rhineland could have been one of those destinations that lured the diaspora to settle down amidst a functioning ,trading open society not unencumbered with antisemitism ,just the New World turned out to be later or New World was forced to turn out to be later.

  153. @KA

    Very little of what you write starting with the reference to Jews and Carthage has anything to do with what I was saying.

    My reference to Carthage which had been founded by those great Middle Eastern (presumably Semitic) traders, the Phoenicians, was simply to suggest a date after which Jewish merchants may have started operating in far flung places around the Mediterranean. Carthage was destroyed in 146 BC.

    Presumably the Gauls or some one or more of the Celtic tribes that Caesar conquered about 90 years later would have been the people settled in the Rhineland until the German tribes invaded hundreds of years later. So there is no problem in accepting as I did that the Jews were in the Rhineland before the Germans. Not that it mattered except to explain why it was absurd to suppose that the Yiddish speaking Ashkenazim derived from some Khazar conversion, Yiddish being a German dialect.

  154. @Wizard of Oz

    My mistake.
    TORAH was fewer letters to type than “Hebrew scripture” which is most frequently used in comments such as these.

    Torah (/ˈtɔːrəˌˈtoʊrə/; Hebrew: תּוֹרָה, “Instruction, Teaching”), or the Pentateuch (/ˈpɛntəˌtuːk, -ˌtjuːk/), is the central reference of the religious Judaic tradition.

    It has a range of meanings.
    It can most specifically mean the first five books of the twenty-four books of the Tanakh, and it usually includes the rabbinic commentaries. The term Torah means instruction and offers a way of life for those who follow it;

    it can mean the continued narrative from Genesis to the end of the Tanakh, and

    it can even mean the totality of Jewish teaching, culture and practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

    The Book of Esther, also known in Hebrew as “the Scroll” (Megillah), is a book in the third section (Ketuvim, “Writings”) of the Jewish Tanakh (the Hebrew Bible) and in the Christian Old Testament.

  155. @alexander

    But maybe the idea of King Bibi actually seeking” peace” ,is hoping for a bit too much.

    “spots” and “leopards”

  156. bunga says:

    the man wants to obstruct the deal at any cost .

    From ynet- 2011

    Mark Dubowitz dedicates himself to defending US against global terror, Iranian threat
    Yitzhak Benhorin

    WASHINGTON – While Iran takes pleasure in seeing the US and the world focusing on recent developments in the Arab world, one man ensures that the Iranian nuclear threat remain on the agenda. His name is Mark Dubowitz, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD) and head of the independent organization’s Iran Project.

    The FDD (www.defenddemocracy.org) was established following the September 11 attacks –

    Dubowitz’s group employs 32 professionals and his project website, http://www.iranenergyproject.org, has turned into a user’s manual–

    In the framework of his campaign to raise awareness for the Iranian threat, Dubowitz utilizes any available means. For example, he may arrive at a meeting in Canada’s Prime Minister Office, and on the way there stop by a local TV studio and bluntly urge Ottawa to shift from talk to action.

    At the age of 42, Dubowitz has turned into an authority on the Iranian issue, and the US Administration is eager to hear what he has to say about the sanctions imposed on Tehran. He appears at Congressional hearings and briefs US military officials, as well as senior Western officials.
    { How did this man become an expert? Same way the Curveball was on Iraq and PNAC was the mouthpiece of peopel like Curveball}


    One is amazed to discover that the US, a superpower boasting 16 intelligence agencies, nonetheless relies on the information and ideas of a man who heads an independent organization.
    { Dont get amazed at preparedness and eagerness to be duped by figures like Chalabi or Perle or Curveball ,particularly when one can bail himself out by saying “why you believed me”

    Dubowitz himself told Ynet that he was uncomfortable being the subject of the article, lavishing praise on officials in the National Security Council, State Department, Treasury and Congress throughout the interview. These officials are working around the clock to address this highly important issue, he said. ( The way Silver and Weizman and Ben Guiron praised Truman and Dewey in 1947 )

    “These are the real heroes who do not get the credit,” he said.

    So why does the US Administration need Dubowitz and his people? A senior aide in an important Congressional committee told Ynet that “nobody in this town dedicates so much time and effort to one issue. Mark and his research team do an excellent job. If we have a question, they are the first ones we turn to.”[ They fly free to Israel to listen to Hagee and Netnahayu ]

    The aide said that receiving such information from intelligence officials takes time and requires plenty of paperwork, while Dubowitz’ people “work quickly and are accessible.”
    [ Lying is quick, always ready,and available ]

    “They come to us with information and with ideas. In order to pass legislation on the matter, we need good ideas,” he said.
    [ Its Tel Aviv’s legislation. Congress supply the napkin. We write it down for them with their ink ]

    Dubowitz’ personal history may be the factor that makes the difference. He arrived from the business sector, where the bottom line matters most and was on the fast track to major success, working in the venture capital industry and focusing on fundraising for early-stage technology companies. He also served as director of international business development for DoubleClick, later acquired by Internet giant Google.
    [ here the bottom line is turning Iran into Iraq ]

    Business, investment and the law are major milestones in Dubowitz’s life journey. He was born in Johannesburg and grew up in Canada, completing his law degree in Toronto and graduating with honors with a master’s in international public policy from Johns Hopkins University. On top of that, he also studied in Jerusalem’s Hebrew University and in Paris. [ The international cabal and the mafia with no connection to any gentile’s country ]

    “I was a strange kid with an obsession with terrorism and plane hijackings. On September 11th it turned out that terrorism is not just an international problem, after it hit us at home,” he said. “I was deeply fearful for the future and decided to quit the private sector and come to Washington, to see if I could make a small difference. In 2003 I joined a small organization (FDD) despite not having any relevant political or policy experience and coming from a wholly different background.”[Netanyahu ,PNAC and Sharon and OSP staff and The dancing Israelis have same obsession ]

    Dubowitz does not produce thick studies that gather dust at research institutes, but rather, responds quickly to immediate needs, provides information and offers solutions.( Complex problem is answered by simple lies and falsehood ]

    “We look for ships that arrive from North Korea and are interested in suspicious vessels that change their flag more than once,” he said. “We also follow ships that take suspicious routes and transfer uranium from Africa or arms, for example…we have no way of knowing what’s inside these ships, but we provide information about the movement of suspicious vessels to the US Administration.”
    [ We hurt Africa and America to hurt Iran and to benefit Israel ]

    Dubowitz says that his organization’s goal is not only to closely monitor companies doing business with Iran, but also to analyze Tehran’s response to the sanctions.[ And the response has not been good for Israel]

    Dubowitz notes that the US and Europe have failed in providing moral and material support that could have been decisive during the Iranian protests of June 2009.[ The supports that other PNAC/AEI/FDD stuff and French colleagues provided to Syrian and Libyan ]

    “This is a key move. The objective here is to single them out personally, to isolate and alarm them. From now on they must think twice before murdering and torturing their own people.” [ Human rights are interpreted as Israeli rights to hurt human beings anywhere to promote Israeli money-changers and settlers]

    ” “These sanctions will help to undermine Iran’s moral legitimacy and hopefully turn it into a pariah state.

    [Force Hamas he says , to accept the legitimacy of Israel. Legitimacy is an utopia and stupid concept but very useful one to prevent any solution to problem and crisis that is why he promotes it .]

    http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/0,2506,L-4060499,00.html

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  157. @bunga

    In recent testimony before Congress urging US legislators to reject the Iran deal, Juan Zarate, one of the original “guerrillas in grey suits” in Stuart Levey’s Office of Terror Finance in the US Department of Treasury, gave a nod to his “friend” Mark Dubowitz. http://www.defenddemocracy.org/experts

    Dubowitz and Zarate are both members of Foundation for Defense of Democracy, an anti-Iran group whose advisors include Joe Lieberman, Louis Freeh, and whose current chairman is James Woolsey.

    Zarate does financial terrorism consulting for HSBC, where his former boss Stuart Levey is now legal director, Levey having passed along his position at Treasury to his former law partner, David Cohen.

    With Chip Poncy (also a FDD member) and Ryan Wallerstein, Zarate founded the Financial Integrity Network http://www.financialintegritynetwork.net/founding-partners.html

    Curiously, or ominously, Zarate does financial investigations at or for the Vatican.

  158. KA says:

    HSBC ? The one who started changing the color of the drug money to whiter Sterling from opium trade in 29 th century?
    They still launder drugs.
    Levy brings to the bank his expertise to stop money laundering Iran has been accused of ! Can it get more hilarious ?

  159. Marais says:
    @5371

    You seem to have a habit of projecting your assumptions on others:

    • I intended to cite Heß instead of Höß; then I was “foolish” to claim Höß was as important as Heß (a claim I never made);

    • Frank wasn’t Catholic (“Neither Heß (not Höß), nor Frank, nor Heydrich were Catholic…”), then he was a late conversion (not really Catholic?), and now his religion “should “be left to a high authority than either of us.” No, yes, and maybe?

    “This exchange started when you claimed that Catholics had a predisposition – whether greater or merely equal to that of Protestants was no doubt not clear in your own mind – to attain prominence in the NSDAP regime.”

    This exchange started when I disputed SolontoCœsus’s assertion “Catholics seem peculiarly susceptible to Jewish sucker-bait” and listed exceptions you then insisted weren’t Catholic. I’ve never written Catholics were predisposed to anything let alone “to attain prominence in the NSDAP regime.” Once again you project a claim I never made qualified by “was no doubt not clear in your own mind.”

    You’d save everybody time if you’d simply debate yourself in front of a mirror.

  160. @KA

    Very strange: I am sure I went through all the motions of replying to you but my reply hasn’t appeared.

    I meant to say that your response has little to do with what I was saying. And specifically you seem to misconceive my reference to Carthage. I don’t know whether there were any Jews in Carthage but I mentioned Carthage because the date of its destruction – 146BC – would be a time which may have marked the end of Phoenician dominance in Mediterranean trade and, perhaps, the time when their Semitic cousins started to replace them.

    Odder still! Me or computers? My reply to you now appears well above this.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  161. RobinG says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You posted it, Wiz, and it’s still here, unlike Alison Weir’s tribute to Donald Neff which, unfortunately, has vanished.

    But, in hunting for it, I read Ron Unz’ remarkable piece, “American Pravda: “Who Shot Down Flight MH17 in Ukraine?” from one year ago, but could have been written yesterday. Brilliant and sad analysis of MSM. Thank you, Mr. Unz.
    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-who-shot-down-flight-mh17-in-ukraine/

    Wizard of Oz says:

    August 18, 2015 at 1:12 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @KA

    Very little of what you write starting with the reference to Jews and Carthage has anything to do with what I was saying.

    My reference to Carthage which had been founded by those great Middle Eastern (presumably Semitic) traders, the Phoenicians, was simply to suggest a date after which Jewish merchants may have started operating in far flung places around the Mediterranean. Carthage was destroyed in 146 BC.

    Presumably the Gauls or some one or more of the Celtic tribes that Caesar conquered about 90 years later would have been the people settled in the Rhineland until the German tribes invaded hundreds of years later. So there is no problem in accepting as I did that the Jews were in the Rhineland before the Germans. Not that it mattered except to explain why it was absurd to suppose that the Yiddish speaking Ashkenazim derived from some Khazar conversion, Yiddish being a German dialect.

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Shouldn't they recuse themselves when dealing with the Middle East?
A Modern Guernica Enabled by Washington
Pressuring Candidates Even Before They Are Nominated
But is it even a friend?
The gagged whistleblower goes on the record.
Today’s CIA serves contractors and bureaucrats—not the nation.