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President Donald Trump’s order to withdraw from Syria has been greeted, predictably, with an avalanche of condemnation culminating in last Thursday’s resignation by Defense Secretary James Mattis. The Mattis resignation letter focused on the betrayal of allies, though it was inevitably light on details, suggesting that the Marine Corps General was having some difficulty in discerning that American interests might be somewhat different than those of feckless and faux allies like Israel and Saudi Arabia that are adept at manipulating the levers of power in Washington and in the media. Mattis clearly appreciates that having allies is a force multiplier in wartime but fails to understand that it is a liability otherwise as the allies create an obligation to go to war on their behalf rather than in response to any actual national interest.

The media was quick to line up behind Mattis. On Friday, The New York Times featured a lead editorial entitled “Jim Mattis was right” while neocon twitter accounts blazed with indignation. Prominent chickenhawk mouthpieces David Frum and Bill Kristol, among many others, tweeted that the end is nigh.

During the day preceding Mattis’s dramatic announcement, the press went to war against the Administration over Syria and also regarding other reports that there would be troop reductions in Afghanistan. The following headline actually appeared on a Reuters online article the day after the announcement by the president: “In Syria retreat, Trump rebuffs top advisers and blindsides U.S. commanders.” It would be difficult to imagine stuffing more bullshit into one relatively short sentence. “Retreat,” “rebuffs” and “blindsides” are not words that are intended to convey any sort of even-handed assessment of what is occurring in U.S. policy towards the Middle East. They are instead meant to imply that “Hey, that moron in the White House has screwed up again!”

Consider for a moment the agenda that Reuters is apparently pushing. It is supporting an illegal and unconstitutional invasion of Syria by the United States that has a stated primary objective of removing a terrorist organization which is already mostly gone and a less frequently acknowledged goal of regime change for the legitimate government in Damascus and the expulsion of that government’s principal allies. Reuters is asserting that staying in Syria would be a good thing for the United States and also for its “allies” in the region even though there is no way to “win” and no exit strategy.

Reuters is presumably basing its assessment on the collective judgments of a group of “top advisers” who are warmongers that the rest of the world as well as many Americans consider to be psychopaths or possibly even insane. And then there are the preferences of the “blindsided” generals, like Mattis, who have a personal interest in career terms for maintaining a constant state of warfare. If you want to really know how what the military thinks about an ongoing war ask a sergeant or a private, never a general. They will tell you that they are sick of endless deployments that accomplish nothing.

The New York Times lead story headline on Thursday also let you know that its Editors were not please by Trump’s move. It read “U.S. ExitSeen as a Betrayal of the Kurds, and a Boon for ISIS.” They also editorialized “Trump’s Decision to Withdraw From Syria Is Alarming. Just Ask His Advisers.”

The Washington Post was not far behind. It immediately ran an op-ed by the redoubtable neocon chickenhawk Max Boot, whom Caitlin Johnstone has dubbed The Man Who Has Been Wrong About Everything. The piece was entitled Trump’s surprise Syria pullout is a giant Christmas gift to our enemies making a twofer with an incredible “Fuck the EU” Victoria Nuland’s piece entitled “In a single tweet Trump destroys U.S. policy in the Middle East,” which appeared simultaneously. That anyone would regard Boot and Nuland as objective authorities on the Middle East given their ultimate and prevailing loyalty to Israel has to be wondered at, but then again Fred Hiatt is the editorial/opinion page editor and he is of the same persuasion, both ethnically and philosophically. They are all, of course, devoted Zionists and the big lie about what is going on in the region is apparently always worth repeating. As Joseph Goebbels put it in 1941 “…when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it…even at the risk of looking ridiculous.”

Comments relating to the articles, op-eds and editorials in the Post and Times bordered on the hysterical, sometimes suggesting that readers actually believe that Trump was following orders from Russian President Vladimir Putin. And what was stirring at Reuters, The Times, and the Post was only the tip of the iceberg. The mainstream television news providers united in condemning the audacity of a president who might actually try to end a war while the only favorable commentary on Trump’s having taken a step that is long overdue came from the alternative media.

One might profitably recall how Trump has only been praised as “presidential” by the Establishment twice – when he staged cruise missile attacks on Syria based on faulty intelligence. The Deep State wants blood, make no mistake about it and it is not interested in “retreat.” And Trump will also get almost no support from Congress, with only longtime critics of Syrian policy Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee as well as Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard praising the move initially.

The arguments being made to criticize the Trump initiative were essentially cookie cutter neocon soundbites. The Reuters piece in its first few lines of text asserts that the reversal of policy “stunned lawmakers and allies with his order for U.S. troops to leave Syria, a decision that upends American policy in the Middle East. The result, said current and former officials and people briefed on the decision, will empower Russia and Iran and leave unfinished the goal of erasing the risk that Islamic State, or ISIS, which has lost all but a sliver territory, could rebuild.” The article goes on to quote an anonymous Pentagon source who opined that “… Trump’s decision was widely seen in the Pentagon as benefiting Russia as well as Iran, both of which have used their support for the Syrian government to bolster their regional influence. Iran also has improved its ability to ship arms to Lebanese Hezbollah for use against Israel. Asked who gained from the withdrawal, the defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, replied: ‘Geopolitically Russia, regionally Iran.’”

Another so-called expert Charles Lister of the Middle East Institute was also cited in the article, saying “It completely takes apart America’s broader strategy in Syria, but perhaps more importantly, the centerpiece of the Trump administration policy, which is containing Iran.”

Israel is also turning up the heat on Trump, claiming that the move will make it more insecure. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to increase air attacks on Iranian targets in Syria as an added security measure to make up for the American betrayal. Normally liberal American Jews have joined the hue and cry against Trump on behalf of Israel. Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a “childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist” who is “committing Treason” against the United States.

The real story, lost in the wailing and gnashing to teeth, is that even after conceding that Donald Trump’s hyperbolic claim that the United States had defeated ISIS as the motive for the withdrawal is nonsense, there is still no good reason for Washington to continue to keep troops in Syria. The U.S. in reality did far less in the war against the terrorist groups infesting the region than did the Russians, Iranians or the Syrians themselves and, as a result, it will have less say in what kind of Syria emerges from the carnage. That is almost certainly a good thing for the Syrian people.

But let’s assume for sake of argument that the U.S. invasion really was about ISIS. Well, ISIS continues to hold on to a small bit of territory near the Euphrates River and is reported to have between one and two thousand remaining fighters. There are other estimates suggesting that between 10,000 and 20,000 followers have dispersed and gone underground awaiting a possible resurgence by the group. The argument that ISIS will reorganize and re-emerge as a result of the American withdrawal assumes that it is the 2,000 strong U.S. armed forces that are keeping it down, which is ridiculous. The best remedy against an ISIS recovery is to support a restored and re-unified Syria, which will have more than enough resources available to eliminate the last bits of the terrorist groups remaining in its territory.

So we go to fallback argument B, which is “containing Iran.” “Containment” was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious threat. Iran is a second world country with a small military and economy with no nuclear arsenal and it neither threatens the United States nor any of its neighbors. But Israel supported by Saudi Arabia does not like Iran and has induced Washington to follow its lead. Withdrawing from Syria recognizes that Iran is no threat in reality. Positioning American military forces to “counter” Iran does not reduce the threat against the United States because there was no threat there to begin with.

And then there is the argument that the U.S. departure empowers Iran and Russia. Staying in Syria is, on the contrary, a drain on both those countries’ limited resources. The more money and manpower they have to commit to Syria the less they have to become engaged elsewhere and it is hard to imagine how either country would exploit the “victory” in Syria to leverage their involvement in other parts of the world. Both would be delighted if a final settlement of the Syrian problem could be arrived at so they can get out.

And as for the United States, the military should only be deployed anywhere to defend the U.S. itself or vital interests. There is nothing like that at stake in Syria. So, is American national security better or worse if the U.S. leaves? As Russian and American soldiers only confront each other directly in Syria, U.S. national security would in fact be greatly improved because the danger of igniting an accidental war with Russia would be dramatically reduced. There have reportedly already been a dozen incidents between U.S. and Russian troops, including some involving shooting. That has been a dozen too many. Even the possibility of starting an unintended war with Iran would potentially be disastrous for the United States as well as for everyone else in the region, so it is far better to put some distance between the two sides.

And finally, it is necessary to go to the argument for disengagement from Syria that is too little heard in the western media or from the usual bonehead politicians named Graham and Rubio who pronounce on foreign policy. How has American intervention in the Middle East and south and central Asia benefited the people in the countries that have been invaded or bombed? Not at all. By some estimates four million Muslims have been killed as a consequence of the wars since 2001 and millions more displaced. More than eight thousand U.S. military have died in the process in wars that had no purpose and no exit strategy. And the wars have been expensive – $6 trillion and counting, much of it borrowed. War without end means killing without end and it has to stop.

Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do, though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel or Turkey that could actually result in more attacks on Syria and on the Kurds. Donald Trump is already under extreme pressure coming from all directions to reverse his decision to leave Syria and it is quite possible that he will either fold completely or bend at least a bit. It is to be hoped that he will not do so as a Christmas present to the American people. And he might want to think of a Christmas present for 2019. One might suggest a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. wayfarer says:

    Non-cooperation with evil is as much a duty as is cooperation with good.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi

    Zionist Master Plan for the Next 50 Years

  2. Puzzled says:

    “…It completely takes apart America’s broader strategy in Syria…”

    I have never been able to discern a strategy, other than to keep the region in turmoil. Let us hope he keeps with his campaign promise on this one.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @annamaria
  3. renfro says:

    Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do, though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel or Turkey that could actually result in more attacks on Syria and on the Kurds.

    Netanyahu says he will escalate attacks against Iran in Syria. Lets see if Russia takes exception to that.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-israel/israel-to-escalate-fight-against-iran-in-syria-after-u-s-exit-netanyahu-idUSKCN1OJ1BS

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) – Israel will escalate its fight against Iranian-aligned forces in Syria after the withdrawal of U.S. troops from the country, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Thursday.
    Some Israeli officials have said U.S. President Donald Trump’s move, announced on Wednesday, could help Iran by removing a U.S. garrison that stems the movement of Iranian forces and weaponry into Syria from Iraq.
    Israel also worries that its main ally’s exit could reduce its diplomatic leverage with Russia, the Syrian government’s big-power backer.
    “We will continue to act very aggressively against Iran’s efforts to entrench in Syria,” Netanyahu said in televised remarks, referring to an Israeli air campaign in Syria against Iranian deployments and arms transfers to Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas, carried out with Moscow often turning a blind eye.
    “We do not intend to reduce our efforts. We will intensify them, and I know that we do so with the full support and backing of the United States.”

  4. Durruti says:

    Lovely strong analysis by Philip Giraldi.

    The “Christmas present for the American and Syrian people” Giraldi refers to will need some help from our American citizens, if it is to be successfully delivered.

    The Zionist puppet Democrat Gang leads the charge toward War and imperialist suppression of nations. At the same time, some of the Zionist Republican Gang, specially their Rank-&-File, display more measured human instincts, and are less enthusiastically beating the War drums. At the end of the day, our freedom and prosperity will not come from either of these Twin Political Gangs of Traitors, who serve a Foreign Power.

    In the New Year we must begin to organize, anew, new Committees of Correspondence, and with confidence, we must join as Sons and Daughters of Liberty, and Restore our Republic.

    We must arrest the Traitors (these include most of the Politicians, and most of the Corporate and Banking Executives). A Committee of elders {Ron Paul, Jesse Ventura, Ralph Nader, Joan Baez, Jesse Jackson, Jimmy Carter, Cynthia McKinney, and Dennis Kucinich, come to mind} may prepare the way for New Elections.

    *Ron Unz might ask for contributions of specific proposals for how we might Rescue our Country and regain our Liberty.

    Leave Fear at the door.

    Durruti

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Leopard
  5. The very fact that Hollywood twits who couldn’t find Syria on the outline map of the world to save their lives have been roped in to get all outraged about Trump withdrawing troops from Syria proves that the military industrial complex is worried that it will lose sales if the Amerikastani Empire steps back from actively looking for war. The military industrial complex, after all, runs Hollywood in conjunction with the zionazi lobby, and Hollyscum are beholden to it.

    • Agree: Realist
  6. anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    4,000,000 Muslims have been killed as a consequence of the wars since 2001, millions more displaced. More than 8,000 U.S. military have died in wars whose purpose was to take the oil from the Arabs, a purpose which started in 1897 with at the Zionist Congress in Switzerland. – $6 trillion you say and counting, much of it borrowed. War without end means killing without end and it has to stop.

    Your article names the supporters of the war bandits and invading countries who rob the govern of there of their money, so the money can be used to destroy the lives and to reduce the quality of life in the target place to tribal at best (Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Afghanistan). You mentioned war gang supporters Reuters, NYT, WoPo, mainstream television news providers , Pentagon, the Middle East Institute, and Israel.. but you left out so many others.

    The important people to be considered in this are the Syrians humans governed by the Assad Syrian Government. & years of catching USA, British, French, Turkish, and Israeli bombs and donating, to Saudia Arabia raised Wahhabi’s, Syrian heads and Syrian body parts, and being forced into homeless status as refugees of one more invader war, the Syrian people have evolved into strong nation organized to defend against the most powerful militarises in the world, they have voted 87% to keep Dr. Assad in three different elections as their leader. But something else happened: Syria became stronger, Syria became an international player, because both Russia and Iran joined to help Syria defend its sovereignty and to defend the lives of the Syrian people. I cannot think of one single American who wants anything the Syrian people have?

    Why the war? So a few oil companies can steal the oil in Syria and run oil pipelines through Syria in order to defeat Russia’s oil sales to Europe. Its not about Israel security (no threatens to invade Israel), its about Zionist greed and the urge to be entertained by murdering people in their homes.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  7. Again I have the idea that my, not just mine, theory about Trump is confirmed, he understands that the USA will destroy itself economically and politically by continuing to try to control the world.
    Of course, USA Deep State is furious, through its mouth pieces CNN, Washpost and NYT.
    Of course Netanyahu is more than furious, Sharon’s ‘we control America’ seems to be over.
    If Putin and Trump agree explicitly or implicitly, I do not know, and, if they indeed agree, it does not matter.
    The essential thing for me is that both in Washington and in Moscow we now have reasonable men, who understand that warfare is just destruction of wealth.
    Interesting is what the consequences for EU and NATO will be.
    They must be in utter confusion.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  8. @renfro

    The man again confirms my idea about him: a complete idiot, leading a country to destruction because the country has a majority of idiots.
    A high IQ has nothing to do with common sense, obviously.

  9. So, Trump bends over his second least favorite babysitter/general, Mattis, and orders a complete withdrawal from Syria … opening the door to NATO’s Turkey to go after the Kurd units there, which is an interesting development. Putin wanted the USA out but he also has warned Erdogan against funneling Idlib’s Salafi militants to Syria’s Kurdish region, something Erdogan has been keen to do. Actually I expect the erratic Erdogan will go for it anyway, and small wonder at that, considering Erdogan’s intelligence chief, Hakan Fidan, whose personal history is one of a bona fide member of al Qaida. Is Putin ready for Erdogan to back-stab Russia again? (recalling Erdogan’s military had shot down a Russian jet.) This has to be the biggest geopolitical soap opera of the moment:

    “The third disagreement is related to the fate of extremists as Turkish officials want to transfer them to Kurdish-controlled areas while Russian officials insist on “terminating them””

    https://aawsat.com/english/home/article/1410516/russian-turkish-dispute-over-idlib-agreement-explanation-sources

    &

    https://ronaldthomaswest.com/2018/10/03/natos-takfiri-laundromat/

    So, then Trump’s detractors (includes Mattis) will point the finger at Trump (not Turkey) when Syria’s east is reinfected with Salafi militants but secretly pleased Erdogan has reopened the terrorism pipeline into Syria if only because it will cause Assad and Russia problems, as well, there is the perpetual profits motive (noted by Phil.) And, so it goes…

    • Replies: @Durruti
    , @Realist
  10. “So we go to fallback argument B, which is “containing Iran.” “Containment” was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious threat.”

    Seen as a serious threat by some?

    “Taken together, these four volumes constitute an extraordinary commentary on a basic weakness in the Soviet system.
    The Soviets are heavily dependent on Western technology and innovation not only in their civilian industries, but also in their military programs.
    An inevitable conclusion from the evidence in this book is that we have totally ignored a policy that would enable us to neutralize Soviet global ambitions while simultaneously reducing the defense budget and the tax load on American citizens.”

    http://www.crowhealingnetwork.net/pdf/Antony%20Sutton%20-%20The%20Best%20Enemy%20Money%20Can%20Buy.pdf

  11. chris says:

    What a great present, unexpectedly getting a Phil Giraldi column on Christmas day! Merry Christmas, Phil and everyone !

    I’m little more pessimistic about Trump’s withdrawal from Syria; it seems to me all the more proof that he’s getting ready to attack Iran !

    If you wanted to do that, you’d first clear it with the Israelis and they’d be quiet (check) – actually, this would be their plan; then you would get US troops out of Syria to protect them from Iranian troops in Syria (invited by Assad), (check). then you would move one or two aircraft carriers into the Persian gulf (check)!

    Then you would hit Iran on New Year’s Day (open), and then … you would take Trump down for starting an illegal war (open).

    All birds down with Stalin-esque (criminal) elegance!

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  12. Realist says:
    @Puzzled

    Let us hope he keeps with his campaign promise on this one.

    Good luck.

  13. My impression is, ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims and to keep the US attacking and “containing” Israel’s geopolitical adversaries and eternally occupying Arab lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again ™

    Apart from the questions raised by some from the alternative media:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-is-a-us-israeli-creation-top-ten-indications/5518627

    The fact is the mossad could easily pull this off, having so many Israelis from Northern-African and Middle Eastern extraction, fluent in Arab and looking exactly like… well, Arabs. They could infiltrate and recruit Arab salafist patsies and easily organize terrorist attacks without executing the hits themselves. And it is actually a genius move:

    1) Create a terrorist thread in Europe, making Westerners wary of Arabs, ie more likely to understand Israel policies towards Palestinians and side with Israel (message being: apartheid State? what else can we Israelis do? Palestinians are all gropers, misogynists, homophobes and potential terrorists FYI)

    2) Hit the countries with the most Jews (France, Germany and UK) so they are more likely to start packing up to make Aliyah, so Israel’s demographic problem is at least temporarily solved, retaining a majority population of Jews.

    3) Make the US, through the Jewish lobby in the US, attack strategic countries such as Libya, Iraq and Syria, creating a migrant tsunami to flood Europe, making Europeans even more wary of Arabs and understanding of Israeli’s treatment of Palestinians (Arabs) and also making European Jews even more likely to make Aliyah. I even have heard of Israeli NGOs funded by the Israeli Ministry of FA operating in Lesbos and helping “refugees” to flood Europe. After a public outcry the Ministry logo vanished from the NGOs sponsors page.

    Even the Cologne issue with the gropings, and I am getting too conspiratorial here, could have been a group of Israeli provocateurs kickstarting the whole assaults wave. Let’s say, a group of mossad operatives, composed of Israelis from Northern-African and/or Middle Eastern extraction, with false documentation and fluent in Arab, start groping and assaulting German women, taking advantage of the total chaos offered and facilitated by moronic Merkel. They get caught? no problem, false passports or even no passports at all, just give false names and disappear. Not that Arabs need that much help to make themselves look bad, after all some American reporter was assaulted *live* and for what I have read the lecherous groping of women walking alone is a well documented problem in all the ME. But maybe thanks to a little push by provocateurs, an incident big enough was engineered and the image of Arabs in the West reached historic lows thanks to the Cologne affair.

    And creating phoney terrorist groups to use them for false flags is not something new at all for the mossad, let’s all remember what the FLLF was and how almost executed an US Ambassador.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front_for_the_Liberation_of_Lebanon_from_Foreigners

    I’d like to hear Mr Giraldi’s take on the matter, though I don’t think he will ever write about it.

    Merry Christmas to all.

  14. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Durruti

    Kucinich is far from being a real American. Where are the the people that do not want to take?

  15. Art says:

    Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a “childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist” who is “committing Treason” against the United States.

    Oh my – the Jew “meathead” is a “childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist” who is “committing Treason” against the United States.

    Some things never change.

  16. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:

    “Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a “childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist” who is “committing Treason” against the United States.”

    He and fellow tribesmen are welcome to sign up and go fight Israel’s wars themselves, just not with white male republican blood. The guy is good at border skirmishes, too. He led an effort to keep poor Mexicans out of his rich Malibu neighborhood back in 2014 by refusing Whole Foods a building location. Like most of his kind, he’s a sociopathic hypocrite and a liar.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Anon
  17. FB says:

    In defense of the chickenhawk…the actual bird…

    The first time I saw one in action, it was quite a revelation…I looked out the kitchen window to see what looked like a blue jay perching on some kind of largish rock that he was pecking at…of course that made no sense at all and upon closer examination it turned out to be a tiny raptor, not even a foot long from beak to tail, standing on a much larger dead chicken and ripping flesh off of it…I ran out back toward the chicken yard and the mighty little slayer flew off…the poor hen had a good part of her back flesh removed…

    Pretty amazing that such a tiny bird could take a chicken easily ten times its weight…the sharp shinned hawk weighs in at just 100 grams…

    So while I certainly despise the useless eaters that agitate for war while having not the slightest idea what combat of any kind is about, I always cringe at the degradation of the word ‘chickenhawk’…a mighty little predator whose good name should not be sullied in association with such human detritus…

  18. Moi says:

    Further proof that we are nuts.

  19. @MAGAnotMISA

    What I miss is destroying white cultures through mass immigration.
    Though what I miss in this theory what exactly is the objective, is it whites and Muslims annihilating each other, or just divide and rule ?
    But maybe thinking in this way has not gone far enough.

    Bernard Baruch’s world domination plan failed miserably, but he even failed to understand that it had failed, otherwise he had not in 1946 pleaded for a world government.
    One must not underestimate the enemy, but also not overestimate him.

    Jewish policies for the last 2000 years can hardly be seen as a success.
    Judaism lost the battle with christianity, bolsjewism failed in Russia, getting equal rights in W Europe led to the WWII deportations, with or without gas chambers, Israel succeeded in surrounding itself with enemies, as neighbours, and all over the world, and jewish puppet Hillary was not elected.
    The latest statements by Netanyahu confirm my idea of a complete idiot.

  20. I continue to be amazed that anyone gives any credibility whatsoever who claims US Mideast military involvement is in the best interest of the nation. The above-mentioned commenters must almost inevitably more about self-interest than anything patriotic. As for appearing profound, well, there’s Rob Reiner!

  21. @anon

    In the idea that the USA is the new zion Trump indeed commits treason.
    Before Israel was established many USA rabbis were against zionism, because in their view the USA already was zion.
    As to

    childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist

    , the use of such words for me means utter confusion, rational analysis no longer possible.
    Arthur Koestler was of the opinion that yiddish precluded sensible discussion.
    The mentioned words show that he was wrong about the cause.

  22. RVBlake says:

    If there were any group that deserved rebuffing and blindsiding, it is most assuredly Trump’s advisers and military commanders.

  23. APilgrim says:

    President Trump has ERASED the terrorists supported by Obama & McCain.

    His ‘deconfliction’ with Russia was instrumental in the Daesh Extermination.

    If Congress passes an AUMF, we shall stay. Otherwise, Adios!

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  24. As I sat in Christmas Eve service last night, an adorable little boy played quietly with his father in the seat next to us. The little boy was probably just under 2 years of age.

    In the middle of one of the Christmas Carols the thought struck me,

    “I wonder if we will still be in ___________ war 17 years from now, when this little boy becomes enlistment age . . .”

    That thought alone makes me favor Trump for re-election. I think (I could be wrong, I’m no expert) we have less war and a lesser risk of war with Trump. The “establishment” policies of: invade the world – invite the world – in hoc with the world; are horrifically deadly and destructive.

    • Agree: Hunsdon
    • Replies: @chris
  25. Heros says:

    What great Christmas presents from Trump.

    1. US withdrawal from Syria, and apparently all non-nato committed US troops from Afghanistan.
    2. Willingness to shutdown Government in order to force funding for the wall
    3. Rumors of subpoena’s being handed out at G.H.W Bush’s funeral
    4. Senate investigations into Clinton Foundation with auditors claiming jaw dropping corruption
    5. Grand Jury empaneled to investigate into 9/11

    I don’t know if Q is a psyop, but a lot of the things he has been saying appear to be coming closer to reality. We can be certain that none of this would have happened had Clinton been elected.

    Meanwhile the deep state is not taking this lying down.

    1. Netanyahu is threatening to increase operations in Syria. Perhaps he warned Trump to get out because he is going to go nuclear or bio.
    2. The global warming panic propaganda is being turned up to “broil” as weather warfare has been unleashed across the planet.
    3. Ukraine attempting to drag Nato into a war for the Kerch straight.
    4. Stockmarkets tanking as the Fed keeps tightening while Mnuchin performs the “plunge protection team rag”
    5. Iran war threats and Persian gulf sabre rattling
    6. Heeb financial war against Russia, Iran and China.
    7. Heeb technology war against China (Huawei arrest)

    Even if the US leaves Syria as Trump claims, they certainly will not just hand everything over to Assad. The Damascus/Baghdad hiway re-opening through Al Tanf and the hand over of all Euphrates river crossings to Syria would be indication of a true change of policy.

  26. As usual, Giraldi is spot on with his observations. I wish him a Merry Christmas and hope to see a lot more of his articles in the coming year.

    I find Rob Reiner amusing, if not occasionally annoying. After having spent decades up to my nose with his tribe while working in LA in the entertainment industry I can guarantee Hollywood Jews go completely apoplectic anytime they perceive their government, the Jewish-occupied government that rules over us all, is not following their commands.

    Come to think of it, apoplexy’s first definition is a stroke, its second definition is: a state of intense and almost uncontrollable anger. One can only hope that jerks like Reiner who indulge so heavily in the second definition will end up experiencing the first, and good riddance.

    • Agree: mark green
  27. Cortes says:
    @FB

    Well said.

    I’d just add that few things would please me more than to have DJT draft the human chickenhawks due to their indispensable expertise and place their backsides in-country to dole out their words of wisdom there.

  28. The honorable & courageous American Man endowed with precision scientific/political wisdom wrote, with special appeal to me: “Withdrawing from Syria is the right thing to do, though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel…, that could actually result in more attacks upon Syria.”

    Christos Razdajetsja, Philip!

  29. Call me crazy, but I’m still a bit leery, cautiously hopping this is not just another charade. Is this just another way to allow the dissection of Syria to take another path?

    Always remember if Trump is in opposition to his globalist master’s he will be removed, one way or the other.

  30. Hunsdon says:
    @FB

    FB:

    Thank you for that! I now realize that the appellation chickenhawk used in reference to the “let’s you and him” fight gang is a slur on a fine little raptor. You have educated me.

  31. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    What’s the battle cry of the Israeli army?
    Onward Christian Soldiers

    Merry Christmas every one

    • LOL: RVBlake
    • Replies: @Wally
  32. Tim K says:

    US out of Syria? Why were “we” ever in there?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  33. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:

    boot, nuland, shapiro, stephens, reiner, etc etc – one (((chickenhawk))) after another

  34. Sparkon says:

    Among hawks in N. America, Cooper’s Hawk (Accipiter cooperii), Red-shouldered Hawk (Buteo lineatus), and Red-tailed Hawk (Buteo jamaicensis) are the three species most likely to take domestic chickens, or yardbirds as they are sometimes called, and it is these three species that are or have been commonly called Chickenhawks in the United States, at least among non-birders, who are people with neither binoculars nor field guide.

    But I think most here know that Philip Giraldi is referring to the craven human variety of warmonger known in some circles as the Yellow-tailed Chickenhawk, or its close relative the Yellow-bellied Chickenhawk.

    President Trump’s announcement is a very nice Christmas present, which I choose to take a face value pending unwrapping. As always, actions speak louder than words. Let’s hope that there isn’t a booby prize or two lurking beneath the Christmas tree and hidden by the big surprise package, or that there isn’t a lump of coal at the bottom of our holiday stockings.

    Peace on Earth to all men of Good Will.

  35. @wayfarer

    Not sure if the opening word’s in the first video are spoken by Sheikh Imran N Hosein. It sounds like him. I just wanted to say I have listened to a lot of his messages and find him very enlightening. For those who believe in end time prophecy, I think you will find well versed and extremely intelligent, as compared to many of the so called “Christian” huckster’s out there selling religion for dollars.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/khalid5288/featured

  36. @Tim K

    “US out of Syria? Why were “we” ever in there?”

    Pipelines to Europe for KSA and fresh water sources for Israel? Destabilising a local rival of both? Who knows?

    What we do know is that “we” have allowed our “leaders” to pimp out our military to the rogue special interests of the world. We have the best government foreign interests can buy.

  37. The Zionist MSM and MIC and the Zionist AIPAC and company are the hounds of Hell baying for war as warmongers always want war as long as they do not have to fight it and can reap the profits from the wars!

    Zionists have instigated every war that the U.S. has been in since WWI and right on down through the Mideast slaughter house that Israel and her Zionists patrons have sent Americans to fight and die in and by crippled for life in and the millions of civilians, men, women and children that have been murdered in the wars fought for Zionist Israel!

    The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it , when every thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!

    Finally Trump has done the right thing by getting out of Syria and now should get the hell out of the Mideast and Afghanistan and close the slaughter houses!

    God bless Putin and Russia and Assad and Syria for saving the people of Syria and defeating ISIS aka Al CIADA ie a creation of the U.S. and Israel and Britain!

    Zionists and Israel will be the death of America unless we wake up and smell the coffee!

  38. @wayfarer

    Should have watched the video a little longer before I commented. It is indeed Sheikh Imran N Hosein in the video. LOL and Merry Christmas !

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  39. @renfro

    One hopes that Russia will have stationed its advanced air defense systems throughout Syria. And they should not be afraid to shoot down the Israeli aggressors.

    Jilles sounds like he is Max Boot in disguise.

  40. @jilles dykstra

    Jilles,
    Haven’t you completely contradicted your prior response to @renfro about Trump? You called him a “complete idiot, leading a country to destruction,” now you are claiming he is a “reasonable man, who understands that warfare is just a destruction of wealth.” He can’t be both, can he?

  41. @follyofwar

    I think he meant Nutandyahoo

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  42. @DESERT FOX

    Of extreme importance, Desert Fox of”The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it…,”

    Christmas Day greetings, Desert Fox!

    Re; above sentence, a cordial question.

    Is there anything you know & which you have not said (to date) that might signal that the American-Israeli Empire’s mighty military is prepped to allow the Assad and Rouhani anti-Zionist governments to stand?

    Uh perhaps, either delay or junk establishment of Greater Israel?

    Am convinced Trump would only slow down international Jewry’s plan. Or else no unguarded JFK convertible limo trips for him on reelection-campaign road.

    Thanks, Desert, you always stand on solid ground.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  43. @chris

    Let’s think about this. The USA has not been able to defeat the Afghan Taliban forces in 17 years. It brought down Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, but, with that unfortunate country totally destroyed, how could you call that a win (I doubt if the Iraqi’s consider the US to be liberators). Now the crack pot Obama/Hillary campaign has lost in Syria, and Trump wants to pull out. All three countries were much smaller and weaker than Iran, and the US is much weaker, morally and militarily, than it was after the 9/11 hoax. And, after Russia has expended much blood and treasure in ensuring victory for Assad and the Syrian people, will it now sit on its hands as the US Air Force dismantles Teheran? Plus there is a resurgent China, dependent on Iranian oil, to consider.

    I’m not saying that Trump will not start a war against Iran (for Israel’s benefit). But, he’d better be prepared for the consequences, which will all be devastating to the American Empire. Be careful what you wish for.

    • Replies: @chris
    , @NoseytheDuke
  44. wayfarer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Sheikh Imran N. Hosein sure presented some compelling facts.

    By the way, there’re lots of colorful Christmas lights sparkling here in Yuma, Arizona.

    On my beater trailer, I keep mine up and burning brightly all year round. It’s a trashy Americana thing, LOL!

    Have a dark hunch 2019 is going to be a rough one, but hey, no pain no gain.

    Best of luck Johnny Walker Read, in this approaching new year.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  45. Z-man says:

    But Israel supported by Saudi Arabia does not like Iran and has induced Washington to follow its lead. Withdrawing from Syria recognizes that Iran is no threat in reality. Positioning American military forces to “counter” Iran does not reduce the threat against the United States because there was no threat there to begin with.

    Yes of course, I would just add that Israel hates Iran.
    Rand Paul and others have been pushing back hard against the NEOCON narrative here, good news. The initial anti Trump tide has turned in this matter.
    I briefly saw Bill Krysrol’s smug mug on TV the other day. Wouldnt it be nice if that Satanic ‘fellow’ was harrased at home like, unfortunatley, Tucker Carlson was. (Instead of Carlson)

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @jilles dykstra
  46. Trump telling General Mattis to pack his bags and begone is the work of a good CEO. Mad Dog could have done a lot of damage to Mr. Trump’s agenda if he had been allowed to stay on until the end of February, as he had said he would. In corporate America, if an underling is disloyal to the CEO, he will be told to vacate the premises for good by the end of the workday, and escorted out of the building by armed security. His keys will be taken, all locks will be changed, and his passwords expunged. No doubt Trump, as CEO, has had to employ such tactics many times before. He obviously relishes saying “You’re Fired!”

    Any competent Trump loyalist can be found to replace this worn out old soldier. I hope he won’t be yet another general. MacArthur said that “old soldier never die, they just fade away.” Time for Mattis to do just that, and never be heard from again.

  47. Z-man says:
    @Z-man

    Arrggh, that would be that serpent Bill Kristol of course!

    Merry Christmas to all.

  48. @Parsnipitous

    Reading my comment again, I can see where I might have misinterpreted Jilles intent. If so, I apologize. However, if he had identified, by name, who he was referring to, perhaps I wouldn’t have been confused.

  49. Syria is a money pit for the taxpayers and giant profit source for the super rich. ‘The United States military should only be deployed anywhere to defend the U.S. itself or vital interests’ says Trump, Obama or Bush. But war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. Trump was appointed by rich people only so they could have someone to blame. 100% of the voters believe they personally have the right to kill women and children overseas with their hired mercenaries to defend the U.S. itself or vital interests. Americans shell out taxes to pay for US troops to guard mining operations and poppy fields in Afghanistan, oil fields in Iraq, online propaganda and so much more. Why deploy the United States Military when there’s more profit in hiring private mercenaries? Plus you don’t have to say that “vital interests” crap anymore.

    • Replies: @Anon
  50. Durruti says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Good thinking:

    opening the door to NATO’s Turkey to go after the Kurd units there

    Must look to the North:

    On Turkey’s Northwest front, tensions are high between the Greek Military & some foreign controllers of Greece, and the Turkish Military, and their leaders.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/27/tensions-flare-greece-turkey-answer-provocation-erdogan

    There are many other informational links.

    Turkey (Erdogan), might face a 2 Front War if it seizes further portions of Syria (regardless of excuse).

    The Zionist imperialists (and puppet USA, NATO, EU), face difficult choices of who to trigger, and who to restrain.

    Russia and the Arab Nations may come out of this Hellish conundrum – in good shape. And that bodes well for all of us, from America, to Novorossiya.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  51. This article is an excellent summary of msm and neocon reaction to the planned US withdrawal from Syria and a good survey of why getting Uncle Sam out of Syria makes sense. I would also add that allying with the Kurds was at best a short term solution. Not only would a Kurdish state in eastern Syria be unacceptable to Turkey but the Sunni Arabs of the Euphrates Valley would be certain to resist Kurdish rule. Merry Christmas to all!

  52. For once, let all nuclear arsenal be directed at the Middle East and when the smoke clears after a thousand years, there will be no God, Jews or Arabs to deal with… any of remaining humans will be welcomed!

  53. @ChuckOrloski

    In my opinion, Zionist Israel will never stop being the agent provocateur in the Mideast and elsewhere ie the Ukraine etc., and since the Zionists control the U.S. government I think their satanic NWO plans are still in place, and think the U.S. military is just going to be placed in Iraq and Jordan ie just across the border to Syria and will continue with their proxy mercenaries aka AL CIADA aka ISIS.

    Some good sites to follow are Southfront.org and Henrymakow.com and Stevequayle.com and Thetruthseeker.co.uk etc., all things considered even Putin said that Russia will wait and see if the U.S. really leaves the Mideast, I wish all our troops would be brought home, but with the Zionist control of our government it will never happen.

    It is snowing here in Montana so we have a white Christmas, which we could do without, but have a Merry Christmas!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  54. @follyofwar

    Here we agree.
    But in a comment below I read that I sowed confusion.
    Possible, I see no need to find out what went wrong.

  55. A brilliant move and timed perfectly.

  56. Renoman says:

    Yes to Trump and withdrawal from Mid East Wars, down with MSM, The Neocons, the 1% , the deep state and Israel, the whole World hates these assholes. Go Donny Daddy!

  57. wayfarer says:

    There is nothing good or evil save in the will.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epictetus

    Rand Paul backs Trump on Withdrawing from Syria: Good!

  58. If you want to know who’s agitating for war, look no further than our “friends,” the Brits.

    This is what they do every single time a U.S. President doesn’t commit troops to some war they’ve approved of, or started. They terror bait, or mock, or a combination of the two. And since a lot of people in Washington take them seriously, it has appreciable impact on our policies.

    • Agree: Stan d Mute
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  59. Charlie says:

    God bless you Ron Unz for providing this forum. Chickenhawks. Who would have thought.

  60. @Z-man

    Israel fears Iran, is my idea.
    Norman Finkelstein once stated that Israeli jews do not see how there ever can be peace with the Palestinians ‘after all we did to them’.

    Not all jews are idiots.
    Forgot in which book I read that in the thirties a zionist reached Palestine, and saw that this was not the ‘land without people for people without land’.
    He stated ‘this is a crime’.

    The destruction and destabilisation of the ME, an Israeli plan, as far as I know.

    In 1921 and later years there was the enormous population exchange, without any financial compensation, between Turkey and Greece.
    To this day tensions exist between the two countries.

    Iran is one of the oldest civilisations.
    Twice, one might say even three time, the west overthrew Iranian democracy.
    Iran knows of course quite well that the VS brought Saddam to power so that he could subjugate Iran, that had rid itself of the USA puppet shah.
    Iran also of course knows quite well jewish power in the USA, Bush’ s promise to AIPAC to destroy Iraq.
    Will those leading Iran now ever trust the USA or Israel ?

    So that Netanyahu and USA jewry now are in complete panic, who had expected it to be otherwise ?
    Uri Avnery wrote ‘the only language zionists understand is power. Is there a problem, use power, if it does not help, use more power, if that also fails, use even more power’.

    There has never been any serious negotiation between Israel and its neighbours, or with the Palestinians.
    About the Oslo negotiations a book appeared in Israel with the title ‘how we fooled the Palestinians’?
    Sharon answered any Arab League peace proposal with force, Jenin, one of them, if my recollection is correct.
    There always was the idea of overwhelming more military power, and of USA support.

    Kissinger saved Israel in the 1973 Yom Kippur war by flying over hundreds of the newest USA anti tank weapons, wire guided, TOW.
    What will the USA do in case Israel is attacked ?
    Is Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @byrresheim
  61. @Durruti

    EU
    https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/vacances-d-hiver-a-huis-clos-pour-emmanuel-macron-1597858.html
    Macron is not skiing between Christmas and New Year.
    French is my worst language, but ‘huis clos’ is curtains closed, the expression is used often for court proceedings without an audience, closed doors.
    If my idea is correct that he stays indoors because his security cannot be guaranteed, maybe someone whose first language is French can enlighten me.

    Whatever the case, the man who wants an EU army now has trouble keeping peace in his own country.
    NATO, Stoltenberg’s face during the dinner with Trump, disbelief.
    Trigger and restrain, at the moment the Yellow Vests have caused the impossibility for Brussels to do anything, survival is what concerns them.

    • Agree: Durruti
    • Replies: @Anon
  62. @DESERT FOX

    Desert Fox with a Montana-attitude, soft side, said: “It is snowing here in Montana so we have a white Christmas, which we could do without, but have a Merry Christmas!’

    Greetings from snowless Scranton, Desert Fox!

    Over decades, have reflected upon Charles Schulz’s great (1965) “Charlie Brown Christmas.” Prior to it’s release, I have scant memory that Mr. Schulz had to battle those who wanted the traditional Nativity of Christ and spiritual meaning out of the way. Fyi, Charles’s opponents lost!

    As Christ-trashing Hollywood “Christmas” films dominate & mis-educate our popular culture, please, please, please look (below) at the beautiful narration of “Charlie Brown Christmas.”

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  63. @Bragadocious

    This is what they do every single time a U.S. President doesn’t commit troops to some war they’ve approved of, or started.

    Who is they, and do what ?
    Even the Dutch army could withstand the weapons shown here.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  64. This is the first sane thing Trump did in two years. Also, this is the first action he promised his supporters in 2016. Naturally, Israel-firsters, who in 2016 backed the corrupt mad witch to a man, are unhappy. Their unhappiness is a good sign that this action is actually in American interests. If Trump folds and reverses, this would expose him as a 100% fraud. If he sticks to his guns, maybe there is hope for him yet. Stay tuned.

    • Agree: Ron Unz, Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @JLK
    , @Anonymous
  65. @wayfarer

    No snow here in Albuquerque, NM, but the skies are loaded with chemtrails. I guess the sky spider’s never get a day off. Here’s hoping you and your’s have a merry Christmas.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  66. Virgile says:

    Trump wants Turkey to stop harassing Saudi Arabia about Kashoogi’s murder and be more complacent with Israel. He also wants Israel to become more anxious abiut its security so it agrees on the Palestinian peace plan elaborated by Jared Kuchner and MBS.
    Turkey has now promised to fight ISIS which it never did. Saudi Arabia as well as Syria wants Turkey humiliated, defeated and out of Syria. It may well happen when the Turkish army will be confronted with a renewedc ISIS manipulated by Saudi Arabia and Syria.
    It seems that the withdrawal of the US forces from Syria may trigger the end of Erdogan’s hegemonic dreams in the region and the victorious return of Syria among the Arabs.

  67. chris says:
    @follyofwar

    Oh, no; I don’t mean Trump will start some major ground offensive to win anything! No, they’ll just try to destroy Iran in order to give jihadist a chance to kill as many people as possible. This will be a Libyan-style war and “victory.”

  68. @jilles dykstra

    Yeah, not sure about the Dutch, with their history at Srebrenica.

    But I was referring to the Brits trying to push Trump back into the Middle East war grinder.

  69. “President Donald Trump’s order to withdraw from Syria has been greeted, predictably, with an avalanche of condemnation culminating in last Thursday’s resignation by Defense Secretary James Mattis. The Mattis resignation letter focused on the betrayal of allies…”

    Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this, at face value.

    Orange clown’s alleged disengagement from Syria may be (and probably is) nothing more that a tactical retreat/change in plans for which the Mattis resignation is merely a fig leaf; that is, it’s just more of the same disingenuous dialectics that we’ve been bombarded with since the beginning of the “Trump” administration.

    Apparently we’re urged to conclude that Trump has finally had enough of the people he knowingly and willingly surrounded himself with, and their agenda, and now all of a sudden (because of some kind of a spiritual epiphany, pro-American New Year’s resolution, etc.) he wants to do right by (some of) his supporters by doing what he should’ve done a long time ago. (And the hint of a military drawdown in Afghanistan adds a nice touch).

    Sorry but I can’t buy what they’re selling.

    If in addition to withdrawing from Syria orange clown were to stop arming the “government” of “Ukraine” and agree to negotiations with Russia on the issue of intermediate range nuclear armed missiles in Europe – with a goal to support/strengthen the INF treaty rather than withdraw from it – I might be willing to entertain the idea that something’s changed.

    As it is now it’ll take a lot more than the obligatory “avalanche of condemnation” i.e., cheap words, to convince me that the perfidious orange clown and his jewish-supremacist handlers are doing anything other than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic with one hand while steering it into the iceberg with the other hand.

    • Replies: @anon
  70. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @Harold Smith

    Call me cynical but I think you cannot take ANYTHING our masters say or do, e.g. this, at face value.

    agree

    just watch their behaviour – the wall never gets built even though they are now talking about increasing the “defense” budget from $700 billion to $750 billion next year – the increase alone is the cost of two walls

  71. annamaria says:
    @Puzzled

    “I have never been able to discern a strategy, other than to keep the region in turmoil”
    — Agree.

    Here is a tepid and academically deeply dishonest oeuvre by Richard Haass, who simply cannot help himself but to keep his day job of presstituting: https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-12-11/how-world-order-ends

    Sampling:

    Although Russia has avoided any direct military challenge to NATO, it has nonetheless shown a growing willingness to disrupt the status quo: through its use of force in Georgia in 2008 and Ukraine since 2014, its often indiscriminate military intervention in Syria, and its aggressive use of cyberwarfare to attempt to affect political outcomes in the United States and Europe.

    Haass is a Cheney’s choice of opportunist and Goebbelsian kind of criminal:

    Haass was born to a Jewish family in Brooklyn… From 1989 to 1993, he was Special Assistant to United States President George H. W. Bush and National Security Council Senior Director for Near East and South Asian Affairs. In 1991, Haass received the Presidential Citizens Medal for helping to develop and explain U.S. policy during Operation Desert Shield and Operation Desert Storm. … Haass argued that the leaders of the United States should adopt “an imperial foreign policy” to construct and manage an informal American empire (Haass 2000)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_N._Haass

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  72. A123 says:

    The U.S. has 2,000 soldiers in a kill-sack if Erdogan decides to cut off their supply lines. And, calling Erdogan “unreliable” is something of an understatement. The U.S. can say very little about Erdogan’s behaviour while he can take reprisals on U.S. troops.

    — Turkey and Saudi are feuding, and the U.S. needs Saudi more than Turkey to maintain sanctions and other pressure on Iran.

    — Turkey is becoming dangerously deranged in its statements about Israel (1). And the U.S. / Israeli relationship is vital for many reasons.

    — Turkey has been a threat to Christian Cyprus for decades. The Leviathan-Cyprus-Greece pipeline is important to help free Christian Populist EU nations, such as Italy, from tyrannical rule under Soros-servitors Merkel and Macron.

    Do not over over read the withdrawal as a change in regional strategy. There are no major policy changes. This is about opening the door to push out Erdogan, if that becomes necessary to support the existing U.S. regional strategy. And, the U.S. can still hope that Erdogan is saying demented things solely for domestic consumption and doesn’t intend to actually follow thru on the crazy.

    __________

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2018/12/16/erdogan-unhinged-compares-israel-to-nazi-germany-claims-cultural-genocide-against-palestinians/

  73. Tony H. says:

    “Containment” was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious threat.

    “which was rightly seen as a serious threat.”
    So it was, was it? That’s really the beginning of the bullshit in American policy. There were a few naysayers back then, since largely vindicated by the opening of former Soviet archives, who claimed that Stalin’s postwar moves were largely defensive in nature and intended to protect the USSR from the talked about US preemptive attack on the Soviet Union. Stalin was well aware of all the loose talk on the American side and his country had just endured the same attempt on the part of Nazi Germany.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  74. EugeneGur says:

    “Containment” was a U.S. policy devised by George Kennan in 1947 to inhibit the expansion of a powerful and sometimes aggressive soon-to-be nuclear armed Soviet Union, which was rightly seen as a serious threat.

    Could someone explain to me how exactly was the Soviet Union a serious threat to the US, particularly in 1947? The country was devastated by the war; some regions suffered from hunger, for goodness’ sake; tens of millions were dead or maimed; the worked force was depleted as million of young men were killed, so the economic burden fell on the shoulders of women and teenagers; the cost of housing of people left homeless by the war was staggering; the cost of caring for orphan children, wounded and invalids – ditto. In contrast, the United States was getting fatter by the minutes having benefited enormously from the war in Europe.

    The Soviet Union “sometimes aggressive”? I am not aware of any Soviet plans to attack the US but we all know about the American and British plant to attack the USSR formulated as early as in 1945. No doubts the Soviet leadership was aware of such plans. The Soviets, having witnessed a demonstration staged for their benefits in Japans of the power of nuclear weapons, did everything with one purpose in mind: to prevent an attack, which they were in no position to withstand. Needless to say, the USSR didn’t have nuclear weapons at that time but even after it had acquired them, it didn’t quite catch up with the US in terms on number until the very end.

    It’s fair to say that the Soviet Union was never ever a thereat to the US. On the contrary, the US was a threat to the Soviet Union from the fist till the last day of its existence, as it remains a treat to Russia today. The problems with the Americans, even the most reasonable of them (not at all difficult to appear on today’s insane background), is that they don’t question the entire narrative they are fed but only the bits of it.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @anon
  75. annamaria says:
    @MAGAnotMISA

    “ISIS is a mossad-Jewish lobby creation to win the PR war against Muslims and to keep the US attacking and “containing” Israel’s geopolitical adversaries and eternally occupying Arab lands, and well, to Make Israel Safe Again…”

    — Hard to disagree with your statement. And who could forget the amazing care of the Jewish State for the White Helmets known for their cooperation with other “moderate” terrorists: https://gellerreport.com/2018/07/israel-syria-jordan.html/

    Israel Evacuates 800 of Syria’s White Helmets and Their Families to Jordan

    The Israel Defense Forces said it engaged in the “out of the ordinary” gesture due to the “immediate risk” to the lives of the civilians, as Russian-backed regime forces closed in on the area. It stressed that it was not intervening in the ongoing fighting in Syria.

    The Jordanian government, which has consistently refused to accept Syrian refugees in recent years, said an exception was made in this case as the United Kingdom, Canada and Germany agreed to take the 800 White Helmet rescuers and their families.

    Germany’s Bild newspaper reported that a convoy of dozens of buses crossed the Syrian border into Israel late Saturday, and were escorted to the Jordanian border by Israeli police and UN forces.

    • Replies: @anon
  76. A lot of the rejoicing in the pro-Putin camp seems to be based on the idea that this somehow benefits Putin but I don’t think it does. He is still irreversibly bogged down in Syria.

    • LOL: L.K, Melotte 22
    • Replies: @anon
    , @FB
  77. Alfred says:
    @renfro

    Netanyahu is telling the idiotic Israeli public what they want to hear. Let’s not forget that there are elections due on 9 April.

    You can hardly expect a politician to tell the public that if they so much as launch a missile against Damascus airport, the airport of Tel Aviv will be bombed in return. The days when the Israelis could do as they wished in Syria and Lebanon are gone.

  78. @DESERT FOX

    You took the words right out of my mouth.

  79. annamaria says:
    @MAGAnotMISA

    More on the Jewish State’s beloved protege White Helmets and the profoundly zionized presstituting MSM: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447385-white-helmets-un-panel/

    “Organ theft, staged attacks: UN panel details White Helmets’ criminal activities, media yawns,” by Eva Bartlett.

    “[During] a more than one-hour-long panel on the White Helmets at the United Nations on December 20 … the irrefutable documentation was presented on the faux-rescue group’s involvement in criminal activities, which include organ theft, working with terrorists — including as snipers — staging fake rescues, thieving from civilians, and other non-rescuer behaviour.

    … a Syrian civilian, Omar al-Mustafa, is cited as stating: “I saw them (White Helmets) bring children who were alive, put them on the floor as if they had died in a chemical attack.” …

    In my own visits to eastern Ghouta towns last April and May, residents likewise spoke of organ theft, staged rescues, the White Helmets working with Jaysh al-Islam, while an Aleppo man likewise described them as thieves who steal from civilians, not rescuers. …

    Four days after the UN panel, to my knowledge, not a single corporate media outlet has covered the event and its critical contents.

    This is in spite of the fact that the Western corporate media has been happy to propagandize about the White Helmets for years, and to attack those of us who dare to present testimonies and evidence from on the ground in Syria which contradicts the official narrative.

  80. wayfarer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Merry Christmas, to you and the world, as well.

    Any ideas as to why Albuquerque New Mexico is being targeted?

    I’ve been following some theories surrounding the Paradise California fires.

    It seems as if the “elite’s” end-game is now at our door-step.

    I don’t know about you, but I can sure feel my soldier DNA starting to activate.

    Not really looking forward to what’s coming down humanity’s dark road.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  81. wayfarer says:

    There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil, to one who is striking at the root.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_David_Thoreau

    New World Order Reveals Their Plans for U.S. in 2019

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  82. Alfred says:
    @DESERT FOX

    “The most incredible thing was that the Zionists and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911 which was the precursor to the latest Mideast wars and the war on terror where the Zionists killed some 3000 Americans and blamed the Arabs and got away with it , when every thinking American knows that Israel and the Zionist controlled deep state did 911!”

    The number of victims of 9/11 in NYC are way above 3000. Cancers and so on just don’t get counted. BTW, it is not from the dust. It is from the small nuclear bombs in the 2 buildings. The 3rd building was only explosives.

    https://nypost.com/2018/08/11/nearly-10k-people-have-gotten-cancer-from-toxic-9-11-dust/

    Here is a useful link:

    “”9-11/Israel did it””

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  83. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Is Netanyahu crazy enough to provoke an attack ?”

    — He is certainly endangering himself and his parasitic state by the silly ideas of mythological choseness.
    Let’s hope that the more intelligent Soviet Jews (as compared to the mediocre pool of the pre-Soviet Israelis) take pains to explain the former salesman the stupidity of military confrontation with Iran/Russia.

    As for the US-dwelling zionists’ stupidity it is irredeemable.

  84. anon[231] • Disclaimer says:
    @EugeneGur

    The Soviet Union “sometimes aggressive”? I am not aware of any Soviet plans to attack the US but we all know about the American and British plant to attack the USSR formulated as early as in 1945.

    obtuse

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  85. @Bragadocious

    What the hell is up with these dysfunctional Brits anyway? With their empire thankfully long gone, their society in tatters, and a Muslim mayor running majority-minority London, they think they can get the US to take on Iran for them? Spare me! This “special relationship” has got to end. The Brits must be under the thumb of the Zionists even more than is the USA. And their sad monarchy belongs in the dustbin of history.

  86. annamaria says:
    @Tony H.

    George Kennan’s attitude towards Russia had evolved throughout the 70s-90s, but this evolution has been carefully obscured by the ziocon warriors and other war-profiteers using the ZUSA resources for their personal enrichment:

    With the end of the Cold War, Kennan continued to emphasize the limits of American power and the need for restraint in the exercise of it. …

    He lived to see the collapse of the Soviet Union and the end of the cold war and characteristically aimed to influence the role that the United States should play in the new world circumstances.

    He objected to plans for North Atlantic Treaty Organization expansion and to what he saw as exploitation of Russian weakness.

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/us-history-biographies/george-kennan

  87. Realist says:

    And he might want to think of a Christmas present for 2019. One might suggest a complete withdrawal from Afghanistan.

    And in addition Syria, Iraq, Guam, Germany, Britain, Philippines, Japan, South Korea, Turkey, Norway and on and on. Give the present 11 months early.

  88. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    THis is that GELLER who has been riling up ant Muslim hysteria in US She has been co hosting the islamophobes and has been renting spaces for add against Jihad

    OMG
    WTF

    wake up America

    Or is there 2 Gellers?

  89. @FB

    Wow, great picture! Incredible detail. More than an iPhone I suspect.

  90. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Michael Kenny

    Like you are irreversibly bogged down in between your legs looking for Bush’s WMD, Obama’s gas, Netanyhu’s water source , Rothschild’s oil,Bolton’s nooses around himself,Weekly Standard’s lost child FDD and confused Sheldon’s diaper.
    !

    • Replies: @Wally
  91. @Alfred

    Agree that many have died and are dying from cancer caused by the asbestos and other materials in the dust, in my opinion the WTC towers were destroyed by direct energy weapons plus micro nukes and WTC buildings 3,4,5,and 6 were destroyed by direct energy weapons and WTC 7 was destroyed by conventional explosives, and there were 7 WTC buildings destroyed in total.

    Check the site Drjudywood.com and read her book Where Did The Towers Go and watch her videos on youtube, she is a scientist and very credible and it is from her that I got the directed energy weapons theory. There were no planes used and the planes that were seen were holograms and for an explanation of this see John Lears videos on youtube, John Lear is the son of William Lear the designer of the Lear Jet and John was a commercial pilot and his videos on 911 explain why no planes were used.

    Zionist Israel and the zionist controlled deep state did 911.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  92. Realist says:
    @Ronald Thomas West

    Is Putin ready for Erdogan to back-stab Russia again? (recalling Erdogan’s military had shot down a Russian jet.)

    The biggest problem Putin has with Erogan is the control of the Russian navy’s exit from the Black sea through the Bosporus.

  93. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    It’s just what you said, he’s keeping a low profile and staying inside on advice of his security. They’re probably worried about snipers in ahigh rise somewhere.

  94. Svigor says:

    It’s been fun listening to (((NPR))) try to spin military withdrawal as a bad thing without actually saying as much. “Trump’s facing critics in his own party,” “here are some Kurds bitching,” “General McProcurer is really pissed,” “Chikkenhauk Epsteinbergwitzbaum sez it’s the end of the world,” etc.

    LOL.

    • LOL: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @chris
    , @AnonFromTN
    , @Wally
  95. m___ says:

    No rationality, no credibility decision (Syria withdrawal).

    Most variables are missing. Trump is insignificant but as a figurehead. At least a few layers, the correlations and “secret” deals with Israel, Turkey, IS, Kurds, France, the UK, let’s not forget Russia are missing. The commoner, deplorable, are lead by the nose, our middle class bread scribes are doing the herding by shifting the attention, and building an exit of face saving on what they omit to pull in the open.

    No value in this “News” and “Christmas present” at all, but more of deceit of a global ruling class in the shadows. It is called smarts, to deceive the rest of the dumb (in the eyes of the elites) masses, it is relevant to call out our elites on not smart enough to think over the long term.

    Who of a building presence of outliers can they still deceive?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  96. chris says:
    @Sarah Toga

    “Death and taxes“ for countries translates to “war and bankruptcy.“ Maybe we‘ll get lucky and hit the latter before we kill everyone in the former.

  97. @Realist

    That’s more like Erdogan’s problem with Russia. Russian coastal defense system K-300P Bastion-P in Crimea is perfectly capable of making Bosporus and Dardanelles straits much wider. However crazy Erdogan is, he is well aware of that.

    • Replies: @Realist
  98. RobinG says:

    ….local sources told Al Jazeera and Turkey’s state-run Anadolu Agency —

    Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said on Tuesday that Ankara and Washington agreed to complete withdrawal of the YPG forces from Manbij before the US pulls out of Syria.

    He added the US agreed to take back weapons given to the YPG.

    Syrian government forces ‘enter’ Kurdish-controlled Manbij region
    Trucks carrying regime forces and equipment, and armoured vehicles have arrived in the region, sources say.
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/12/syrian-government-forces-enter-kurdish-controlled-manbij-region-181225153526422.html

  99. chris says:
    @Svigor

    Very funny, Svigor, still, you couldn’t pay me enough to listen to NPR.

    The smug, self-confidence of diletantnts combined with crass dishonesty is hard to beat when it comes to annoying!

  100. @follyofwar

    Actually Brits think their country is doing just great. But yeah, the “special relationship” should be scuttled. We face a bigger threat from British jihadis than any Iranians anywhere. Richard Reid is sitting in a federal Supermax but I don’t think any Iranians are.

    Brits simply love using the U.S. military for their own venal objectives. And if anything goes wrong, the Brits can distance themselves and blame it on “the Yanks.” A win-win.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @NoseytheDuke
  101. @Svigor

    It is really funny to see “peace-loving” liberals trying not to look like warmongers that they are. NPR is not alone in attempting this sleight of hand: NYT, CNN, WaPo, and others of their ilk are desperately trying to appear peace-loving while promoting wars that benefit MIC and Israel. Hypocrisy at its most awkward. The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  102. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    Well…you know, that perception of yours re how the real world really works is, actually, positive and optimistic.

    If…if I get you correct, you believe/feel/think there IS the “overclass” (for a lack of better word) which rules the world. They are hidden, all powerful, competent, on the same page and malevolent re us , the common folks.

    I am afraid that’s not the case.

    I believe/feel/think there is no such overclass.
    My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of power who fight among themselves who’s going to get more power and related material wealth. The malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.

    And, gets worse, actually.
    In this particular case I think the decision was made in a spur of a moment. Pure Emperor whim ,if you will.
    On top of it, we still haven’t seen any actual move on the ground.
    And, even if those up to 2000 men do pull out, what about CIA/special forces/contractors bunch?
    And, even better, those 2000 and more can return in 48 hours if the Emperor decides otherwise. In a spur of a moment too.

    Anyone so happy here commenting this….thing…has been following what’s really been happening with North Korea?
    What exactly changed from that fateful meeting between the Emperor and the….Cult Leader?
    Let’s summarize: the very point of all that was stopping and rolling back NK capability for long range nuclear strike.
    So….any “rolling” happened? Anything?
    I don’t think so, but, more than happy to be proven wrong. Proven, mind you.

    The only important, and sad actually, is how we all got into the stage when a tweet by that fellow can agitate us so much.
    Mice and just a whiff of cheese over the cage.

    They really got us where they wanted. And those “they” aren’t even that smart.
    Just great.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  103. nickels says:

    All wars are jews wars:

    “Trump is retreating from Syria – and from his pro-Israel Jewish conservative voters. If that decision is a harbinger of other strategic moves distancing him from Israel’s security, much of his remaining Jewish support will fall off a cliff”

    https://www.haaretz.com/amp/us-news/.premium-syria-trump-just-gave-the-finger-to-his-pro-israel-jewish-voters-1.6770414

    • LOL: Svigor
  104. annamaria says:

    A wonderfully conciliatory and hopeful article by Thierry Meyssan: http://www.voltairenet.org/article204453.html

    “The United States refuse to fight for the transnational financiers”

    As soon as he entered the White House, Donald Trump was careful to surround himself with three senior military officers with enough authority to reposition the armed forces. Michael Flynn, John Kelly and especially James Mattis, have since left or are in the process of leaving. All three men are great soldiers who together had opposed their hierarchy during Obama’s presidency. They did not accept the strategy implemented by ambassador John Negroponte for the creation of terrorist groups tasked with stirring up a civil war in Iraq. All three stood with President Trump to annul Washington’s support for the jihadists. …

    The Pentagon project for the last seventeen years in the «Greater Middle East» will not happen. Conceived by Admiral Arthur Cebrowski, it was aimed at destroying all the state structures in the region, with the exception of Israël, Jordan and Lebanon. This plan, which began in Afghanistan, spread as far as Libya, and is still under way, will come to an end on Syrian territory.

    It is no longer acceptable that US armies fight with taxpayers’ funds for the sole financial interests of global financiers, even if they are US citizens. …

    The Bush Jr. and Obama administrations shoulder the entire responsibility for this war [in Syria]. They were the ones who planned it and realised it within the framework of a unipolar world….

    … Afghanistan’s misery began during the Carter presidency. National Security Advisor, Zbigniew Brzeziński, called on the Muslim Brotherhood and Israël to launch a campaign of terrorism against the Communist government. Terrified, the government appealed to the Soviets to maintain order. The result was a fourteen-year war, followed by a civil war, and then followed by the Anglo-US invasion.

    After forty years of uninterrupted destruction, President Trump states that US military presence is not the solution for Afghanistan, it’s the problem.

  105. @peterAUS

    My take is there are warring factions of mostly incompetent little people with a lot of power who fight among themselves who’s going to get more power and related material wealth. The malevolent part re all those they see as below them is given, of course.

    And those “they” aren’t even that smart.

    My goodness! I agree with you on this.

  106. @Realist

    When Erdogan’s military had shot down the Russian jet, Turkey paid for it rapidly with an economic squeeze. Russian tourism to Turkey was shut down and green grocer exports to Russia were subjected to intense scrutiny/inspection and nearly halted. One could say the Turks are still feeling the effect, the impact was immediate and probably there hasn’t been a full recovery to some of the businesses that had been damaged. Erdogan tucked his tail and played nice with Putin after all but he is no dependable ally of anyone, he’s screwed everyone he’d ever done business with insofar as the M.E. regional game. The main problem with Turkey for Russia is the Erdogan regime’s Salafi outlook (to say the leadership is sympathetic to al-Qaida would be an understatement.) Erdogan may have promised to ‘neutralize’ the Idlib extremists but he won’t, he can’t, in fact he doesn’t dare, it is estimated there are upwards of 1,000 cells established in Turkey. How that plays out is anyone’s guess but my money is on the idea he’ll shove the the Idlib extremists off on the Kurds as a Turkish military proxy and cross Putin in the process (the USA won’t mind this at all and in fact CIA Ops division might reward it.)

  107. anon[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    Brits simply love using the U.S. military for their own venal objectives.

    yeah, those dirty “Brits”

    next thing you know they’ll try to send the US Navy up the Yangtze River to force opium on the Chinese, lol

  108. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “The only good thing is, they are forced to show their true colors.”
    Exactly. The liars, frauds, gatekeepers, Hillary-bots, and every brand of stupid in between have been flushed into the open. For example, anyone who still admires Chomsky should take note:

    Aaron Maté‏Verified account @aaronjmate · Dec 24

    Update: Chomsky was sent my Q & this is his response. He favors keeping US troops in Syria as a holding operation until a final settlement w/ Russia-Assad that could guarantee Kurds’ safety. With US pulling out now, he argues that all leverage is lost to avoid a Turkish assault:

    “What deal with the Russians (who right now are making cozy deals with Turkey)? And a deal with Assad, the main mass murderer in Syria – – who can in any event do nothing to deter Turkey.

    In fact, in the longer term there should be a deal crucially involving Russia and with Assad, with some kind of guarantees (for what they are worth) to preserve at least some limited protection for the Kurds. But that’s the longer term. This is now. For now, the sole deterrent to a Turkish assault is a small US contingent confined to Kurdish areas, as a holding operation for a possible longer term settlement along the lines just indicated.”

  109. Everybody say a prayer for Lindsay Graham this Christmas. I hear he’s in distress …

    • LOL: follyofwar
  110. Svigor says:

    I find it interesting that Drudge has had almost nothing about the Syria withdrawal, or the fallout Giraldi describes. I heard far more about it by tuning in to NPR.

  111. just in case no one above has mentioned it:

    (((Reuters))) is a

    (((Rothschild)))-owned fake news racket. And, incidentally,

    (((Reuters))) is where the BBC got its 15-minutes premature bulletin

    on the collapse of WT-7.

  112. FB says:
    @Michael Kenny

    If Putin is ‘bogged’ down in Syria, one shudders to think of what kind of bog your tiny brain is stuck in…

  113. Realist says:
    @AnonFromTN

    That’s more like Erdogan’s problem with Russia. Russian coastal defense system K-300P Bastion-P in Crimea is perfectly capable of making Bosporus and Dardanelles straits much wider.

    It’s not that simple. Any attempt to take control of the of the Bosporus would make it at least temporarily impassable.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  114. @follyofwar

    The real change will come should ever US military personnel realise that true patriotism would compel them not to serve, to sabotage equipment and even resort to fragging. Perhaps Incitatus could give instructions on how some could pull off a “Corporal Klinger” in order to evade service.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  115. geokat62 says:

    Well, that didn’t take long:

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @ChuckOrloski
  116. Svigor says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Good clip. High points for LULZ were “if we’re fighting Assad doesn’t that help ISIS? And if we’re fighting ISIS doesn’t that help Assad?” and “now you know why people get their news from Youtube.”

  117. @Bragadocious

    It is business as usual. I remember when GWB was having some difficulty selling the war on Iraq prior to the invasion. War criminal Tony Blair very eloquently addressed both houses in the US and closed the sale. I watched it live with a tough old former Marine friend who was actually moved to tears when he realised that the war would be going ahead. What hope is there for nations that have yet to hold to account such vermin as Blair, GWB, Howard etc?

  118. @follyofwar

    The Brits were the original Rothschild ass-muppets. Before there was the Fed, there was the Bank of England. Before there was the Senate, there was Parliament. And before there was Wall Street, there was the City of London. Hell, without Britain, Israel wouldn’t even exist!

    I’m not putting down ordinary British people, who tend to be very nice. I’m talking about their horrible ruling class, which is just rotten to the core.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @mark green
  119. Wally says:
    @Anon

    What’s the battle cry of the US army?

    • Agree: Durruti
  120. Wally says: • Website
    @anon

    LOL

    Also how Kenny is “irreversibly bogged down in” trying to find proof of his fantasized ‘6,000,000 Jews & gas chambers’.

  121. @Realist

    Taking into account long-range missiles, impassability of those straits is not such a great military problem. But the disappearance of a large chunk if Istanbul (the US would call it “collateral damage”) would be a serious problem for Turkey.

    I don’t think it would ever come to that: Erdogan is a cautious bastard. His whole stint with buying Russian C-400 was undertaken to make sure he is not “democratically” bombed by those who bring democracy on the heads of aborigines in half-a-ton TNT installments and then bitterly complain that those aborigines are ungrateful.

    • Replies: @Realist
  122. Wally says:
    @Svigor

    Indeed, the once ‘pro-peace left’ is quite the opposite.

    I always laugh when I see peace sign bumper stickers next to Obama and / or Hillary stickers.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  123. @Bragadocious

    To be fair, the “Brits”, as in the British people, bear the same responsibility as do the “Americans”, as in the American people. Granted, a great many voters in both nations are quite utterly stupid but it might be more accurate to refer to The City and to Wall St as being the guilty ones.

  124. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Could be Maram was a little quick off the mark with the “raining down.” But definitely, Israel may try anything in desperation.

    SYRIANA ANALYSIS –
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYj2WWh7Pgw&feature=youtu.be
    Syrian air defences responding to hostile targets in Damascus

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @A123
  125. The US is ISIS. It’s like stopping hitting yourself in the face.

  126. anon[246] • Disclaimer says:

    Ill believe it when they are gone.

    Trump now has a new acting Secretary of Defense [Shannahan]. Turkey is already dithering about needing more time.

    Military will never stop slow walking this.

    Although new alliances are being formed.

  127. @wayfarer

    Christmas greetings, Wayfarer!

    Thanks so much for the video examination of The Economist magazine cover. Oh, man! What s gift you gave U.R. commenters.

    The stork carrying the baby delivery bag with bar code markings especially astonished me!

    Thanks, again!

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  128. wayfarer says:
    @FB

    Just a thought.

    Grunts, the ones actually doing the fighting and dying, will typically refer to one who speaks out in support of war, yet has avoided active military service, as a chickenshit and not a chickenhawk.

    So it’s probably safe to say, wikiquote needs to be updated.

    source: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chickenhawk_(politics)

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  129. @geokat62

    Hey geokat!

    (Zigh)

    As drudgereport features today, Pope proclaims love is needed, Israel gave neighboring Syria some backward-love, uh, “evol,” today, Christmas day!

  130. Anon[512] • Disclaimer says:

    Chickenhawk ought to become the term for warmongers too cowardly actually join the military themselves.

  131. Anon[512] • Disclaimer says:
    @never-anonymous

    Your average American general isn’t interested in America’s welfare. He’s interested in the defensive industry because he plans to retire early from the US army and get rich lobbying for defensive companies. People like this tend to be good at climbing the rank ladder because they are completely self-serving, and they are a genuine problem for the the US when they get to the top and claim the ear of a US president. All they do is promote more war to make their future employers rich, who then provide a quid pro quo by hiring these disgusting generals afterwards.

  132. Pft says:

    “though one has to be concerned that there might be some secret side deals with Israel or Turkey that could actually result in more attacks on Syria and on the Kurds. “

    Lol, yup, thats the plan

  133. wayfarer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    The patriot volunteer, fighting for country and his rights, makes the most reliable soldier on earth.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_Jackson

    That is you, Chuck Orloski.

    You’re an American patriot, one who’s proven to be a “reliable soldier” in the good fight.

    Hope you’ve had a Merry Christmas.

    Now standby for heavy rolls, in 2019.

  134. RobinG says:
    @RobinG

    Or not.

    @Partisangirl
    #Israel murdered this Syrian soldier on #christmas. First lieutenant Gabriel Ali Raya won’t be going home to his family. Yet fools keep believing Israeli lie that they are targeting Iran while it’s bombing #Syria.

  135. This is most certainly good news if true, but lets not forget they’re still poking at Russia, poking at China, still all over Africa, still stirring trouble in Latin America.
    Who knows if they may be about to send in private mercenaries from Blackwater into Syria. Not to mention all the money and weapons we give the Israelis-Saudis so they’ll still be stirring shit in Syria and elsewhere, all that American money could buy Israel lots of mercenaries to do the same thing in Syria.

    The entire MIC has gotten out of control, money buys congress, they have lots of money. Assuming Trump has any real power or actually cares, he should be trying to get the “defense” industries into doing something other than building weapons of war, maybe put them to work in technology or health or something that benefits humanity, gets America back to competing with Asia, instead of just killing folks.
    As long as these “people” are making tons of money building weapons to kill, that is what they will do, wherever it may be. War shouldn’t a business.
    I guess we just have to wait and see, I’ll believe it when I see it.

  136. Agent76 says:

    April 07, 2017 Pentagon Trained Syria’s Al Qaeda “Rebels” in the Use of Chemical Weapons

    The Western media refutes their own lies.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/pentagon-trained-syrias-al-qaeda-rebels-in-the-use-of-chemical-weapons/5583784

    Apr 9, 2017 No More

    DECEMBER 21, 2018 It’s About Time for the U.S. to Exit Syria and Afghanistan

    The final resolution of the U.S.-led war in Syria must be determined by Syrians themselves. All foreign forces must recognize and respect the sovereignty of the Syrian people and their legal representatives.

    https://blackallianceforpeace.com/bapstatements/usoutofsyria

  137. A123 says:
    @RobinG

    100% of the planes sent by Israel have returned to base damage free.

    After Action Review [AAR]:
    — Assad’ s forces definitely expended a significant number of very expensive interceptors.
    — They may, or may not, have shot down one or more less expensive standoff weapons launched by Israel.
    — Iranian forces in Syria were hit and damaged (TBD on repairable vs. destroyed).

    All objective analysts will score today’s engagement as at least a minor win for the IDF.
    Stand by for the non-objective, histrionic, Pallywood, Taqiyya artists’ inevitable attempts to misrepresent the events.
    _____

    The most critical question is, “What AA systems were active?”

    The S-300 system, slated for eventual turnover to Syrian forces, has significant training requirements. There are still months of training to be done. So, odds are the S-300 and S-400 systems in theatre, under exclusive Russian control, stayed off.

    Much more limited systems such as S-200, Pantsir, and earlier generations are beatable if they are accurately located during planning and shown the respect they deserve. These systems have one shootdown of an F-16 variant that was too low and may have had a serious mechanical failure in countermeasures.

    The true decision points are still months away.
    — Will Russia ever turn an S-300 system over to Syrian control?
    — If so, will Assad pay the cash burn rate of ~$0.5 to $1.0 million per S-300 class interceptor?

    It is hard to believe that Assad will further bankrupt his nation and starve his children to defend the Iranian, al-Hezbollah rocket forces being targeted by Israel.

    • Troll: renfro, Krollchem
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @annamaria
  138. Agent76 says:

    May 5, 2017 Syrian War And The Battle For Golan Heights – Genie Oil & Gas Exposed!

    The battle for Golan Heights in Syria will soon be under way and in this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth exposes the Genie Oil and Gas Company and everyone on their advisory board.

  139. JLK says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Stay tuned.

    I’m as happy with the withdrawal from Syria as anyone here, but “stay tuned” is probably good advice so we don’t get our hopes up too much. They may have moved them out of harm’s way in preparation for initiating more mischief somewhere else.

  140. RobinG says:
    @A123

    Troll #A123 confirms,
    ISRAEL KILLS ON CHRISTMAS

    Following ancient pattern of Jews attacking on Holy Days.

    Pantsir-S2 SAM system of #Syria Arab Air Defense Force launched eight 57E6-E surface to air missiles at Delilah cruise missiles launched by F-16Is of 107sq “Knights of the Orange Tail Squadron” flying from #Hatzerim AB.

    • Troll: A123
    • Replies: @A123
  141. niceland says:
    @JLK

    Or perhaps a bargaining chip. Trump: “pay for my wall and I consider keeping the army in Syria”

  142. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “If Trump folds and reverses, this would expose him as a 100% fraud.”

    So far, I presume that Trump is 75% fraud ? or is he only 27,5% fraud ?

    If by now you don’t know that Trump is 100% fraud, I doubt you know what fraud is.

    Since JFK, you can’t be President w/o being 100% fraud.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @dcite
  143. Miro23 says:

    Donald Trump is already under extreme pressure coming from all directions to reverse his decision to leave Syria and it is quite possible that he will either fold completely or bend at least a bit.

    Trump is dealing with the lethal crowd who orchestrated 9/11, so keeping this in mind, the Syria withdrawal decision could conceivably be taken out of his hands using (another) False Flag,this time targeting Iran (and sacrificing a few thousand American servicemen in the Middle East) or alternatively, using covert action in the US, aimed directly at substituting Trump for Pence.

    In an ethics free zone, combined with the enormous hubris of the maniacs running the Empire, possibilities have to extend this far.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  144. annamaria says:
    @A123

    “100% of the planes sent by Israel have returned to base damage free.”

    — does this mean that you are ready to abandon the annoying quetching about “Jewish eternal victimhood” and “Jewish incomparable suffering?”

    And how is the Jewish State cooperation with Ukrainian neo-Nazi going on?

    The first ever Jewish prime-minister of Ukraine Mr. Groysman has been quite effective in keeping with the ongoing restoration of Nazism and banderism in the Kaganat of Nuland (former Ukraine). Guess the main local financier of the neo-Nazi, an Israeli/Ukrainian citizen Kolomojsky, is preparing for a special award from Knesset and AIPAC for his selfless service to the ideas of zionism/nazism.

  145. A123 says:
    @RobinG

    Please observe…. as predicted,…. the Taqiyya Trolls are now attempting to deploy histrionics to distract from The Truth.

    Serious questions:

    — Do violent Iranian al-Hezbollah forces in Syria take off for Christian holidays? No?
    — Do violent Iranian al-Hamas forces in Gaza disrespect their own religion by launching offensive, border assaults every Friday? Yes?
    — What militarily sound reason is there to give a free pass to violent Iranian forces that do not respect any religious traditions or holidays? None?

    The bottom line is pretty simple.

    If Iran was not violent, there would be no military action against them on Christmas or any other day. As long as Iran is violent, their Taqiyya supporters cannot credibly whinge about countries defending themselves against Iranian violence.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anon
    , @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  146. @jilles dykstra

    You would do well to read up on the late Shah’s stance towards western exploitation of the rest of the world. It’s an eye opener.

    Even then I wondered how the horrible events of ’79 came to pass against the wishes of the Free West™.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  147. @Digital Samizdat

    What “ruling class”. As ruling classes go, especially in a powerful country, the British ruling class wasn’t too bad till about 1900. Now the pseudomeritocracy scrambling to make sense in a much less powerful and important country hardly deserves the description “ruling class” at all. Indeed universal suffrage and the devastation of WW1 and the Great Depression may have predictably doomed it years ago.

  148. @NoseytheDuke

    What do you make of the excuse for Howard (though Malcolm Fraser wouldn’t have conceded it!!) that he wasn’t critical to the war happening and that only one Australian soldier was killed (by his own hand, presumably accidentally)? 2003 was, after all, a bit early to be looking to China for Australia’s comfortable place in the world.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  149. anon[365] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Israel is attacking Lebanon and Syria . it is threatening other countries as well in between for lending voices to issues like nuclear treaties with Iran. It has earlier stolen passports, it has forged passports, it has assassinated leaders who were at that time in third country. Now criticizing these activities will be nothing but expression of anti semitism.

    WTF wrong with these snake charmers of enormous linguistic variability ? That what it is. They have tongues and they know how to coin new words .

    • Replies: @annamaria
  150. Realist says:
    @AnonFromTN

    But the disappearance of a large chunk if Istanbul (the US would call it “collateral damage”) would be a serious problem for Turkey.

    The US would call it war….Turkey is a NATO member.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
    , @AnonFromTN
  151. Erebus says:
    @JLK

    … “stay tuned” is probably good advice…

    Indeed it is, but the cacophony Trump’s announcement raised seems genuine enough.

    There’s something about this whole affair that instills (at least in me) a vague sense that Trump, having given up on a 2nd term, is going to get whatever he can via surprise Presidential Policy Announcements as long as he lasts in office. It’s how he ran his campaign and almost certainly the only way he can get anything he said he wanted to do done.

    Keep his detractors off-balance with a sufficiently constant stream of announcements that their heads haven’t quite stopped spinning before the next one comes out.

    To that end, keeping the barking mad ideologues around him on the payroll makes sense. They add to the noise that serves to make the announcement appear reasonable, whereas nuanced argument would undermine his policies even when they’re fundamentally right.

    So, I’m staying tuned. We may see lots more coming from the same place.

  152. @Bragadocious

    No more than military and political stupidity.
    It had been pointed out that defending Srebreniza needed 80.000 troops and heavy weapons.

  153. Macron not on skis this year.
    My idea is not fear of snipers, but fear of Macron being surrounded by Yellow Vest skiers.
    Honnecker’s vacations were staying on a government estate, of course completely closed to the public.
    Even there, when he went for a walk, a guard a hundred metres before him and another behind him.
    Advertising his impopularity by completely closing a piste temporarily for just Macron and some guards probably was seen as not a smart move.

  154. @NoseytheDuke

    Well, after, if I remember well, a seven year investigation a devastating report was published about B-liars’ war in GB.
    In the Netherlands a somewhat similar report was published about Dutch complicity, the David’s report, blaming prime minister Balkenende at the time, and his minister of foreign affairs then, De Hoop Scheffer, later Secretary of NATO.
    None of the three is behind bars, true.
    Nevertheless, they were exposed as war criminals.
    I wonder if it is realistic to expect more, the crimes were political.
    If Blair and the two Dutch could have refused, I wonder.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  155. @byrresheim

    If it was horrible is a matter of opinion, I see it as liberation.
    Horrible regime, the shah’s
    It was possible because the USA had been driven out of Vietnam, could not afford another war.

  156. annamaria says:
    @anon

    “Israel is attacking Lebanon and Syria.”

    The Jewish State and rabid Israel-firsters are attacking western civilization: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-25/inside-temple-covert-propaganda-integrity-initiative-uks-scandalous-information-war

    The Smith Richardson Foundation was founded by billionaire heir to the Vicks fortune, H. Smith Richardson… In 1973, the founder’s son, Randolph Richardson – a free market fundamentalist and long-time patron of neoconservative ideologue Irving Kristol – inherited the organization.

    Recipients of funding from the Smith Richardson Foundation include a who’s who of neoconservative and militaristic right-wing institutions.

    The Fusion GPS’ bunch and Chris Steele are not the only people subverting the democratic process in the US:

    Recent hacked documents have revealed an international network of politicians, journalists, academics, researchers and military officers, all engaged in highly deceptive covert propaganda campaigns funded by the British Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO), NATO, Facebook and hardline national security institutions.

    This “network of networks”, as one document refers to them, centers around an ironically named outfit called the Integrity Initiative. And it is all overseen by the Institute for Statecraft, which has operated under a veil of secrecy.

    Where is the US Intelligence Community when the foreign nationals infiltrate election complain in the US?

    Bracey-Lane is a 20-something British citizen … He appeared out of nowhere to work in Iowa as a field organizer for the Bernie Sanders campaign for president.

    “I spent a year working, saving all my money, just thought I was gonna go on a two month road trip from Seattle to New York and I thought, you know what? I’m gonna stay and work for the Bernie Sanders campaign,” Bracey-Lane told a reporter for AFP on January 27, 2016. …

    However… An Institute for Statecraft document on “roles and relevant experience” of the outfit’s “expert team” notes that Bracey-Lane conducted a “special study of Russian interference in the US electoral process.” The document does not make clear when that study was conducted, however, it is listed directly next to its author’s history of work with the Bernie campaign.

    The Integrity Initiative (oh, irony!) has been also busy with subverting the democratic process in Spain and the UK:

    The Integrity Initiative waged a successful covert campaign to destroy the appointment of Pedro Baños to Director of Spain’s National Security Department … by carry[ing] out the hit job through a hand-picked “cluster” of Spanish politicians and operatives to flood social media and sympathetic outlets with messages demonizing Baños.

    The Integrity Initiative appears to have employed the same tactics to smear left-wing journalists and political figures across the West, including the leader of the UK’s Labour Party, Jeremy Corbyn. …

    According to David Miller, professor of political sociology in the school of policy studies at the University of Bristol and the director of the Organization for Propaganda Studies, the Integrity Initiative “appears to be a military directed push.”

    • Replies: @anon
  157. @wayfarer

    Not sure, but we are home to Kirtland Air Force Base and Sandia National Labs so I guess anything is possible. I just know it has been brutal all fall and winter. Starts out with massive chemtrailing and ends up with sky completely darkened.

    My spidy sense is also tingling, but I am in awe that no one seem’s to notice, no one seem’s to care. Like you, I feel the curtain is about to be pulled on the final act. God help us all.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  158. @Realist

    I’ve read that Mr. Trump abrupted decided to pull out of Syria after a phone call with Erdogan. He wasn’t about to confer with Mattis, Pompeo, or Bolton as they would have all objected. Trump cannot afford to be the president who allowed Turkey to leave NATO and align with Russia. It’s all about geo-politics.

    Too bad that crybaby Netanyahu doesn’t like it. Israel has nowhere else to go and needs US support to even exist. The Kurds will be sacrificed, but Turkey is much more important. Trump must pull out the US troops ASAP as they nothing but sitting ducks – like those 400 or so Marines who were blown up during the Lebanese civil war during the Reagan Admin. My biggest concern is that they will be attacked with many casualties while in country, forcing Trump to stay.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Realist
  159. “Filmmaker Rob Reiner tweeted on Thursday that the president is a ‘childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist’ who is ‘committing Treason’ against the United States.”

    He didn’t just play a meathead on TV, he became one in real life.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  160. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Macadam

    He didn’t just play a meathead on TV, he became one in real life.

    Welcome to the dark side, Fran.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  161. @follyofwar

    ” Trump cannot afford to be the president who allowed Turkey to leave NATO and align with Russia. It’s all about geo-politics. ”

    What makes you think Turkey is still in NATO ?
    And what is NATO ?
    Both Merkel and Macron say they want an EU army.
    An army for what, many here in Europe wonder.
    Attacking the country that keeps the Germans warm in winter and German industry going ?

  162. @Realist

    Did you read Article V of NATO treaty?
    Here it is:

    Article V
    The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
    Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

    To translate it into plain English, if one member is attacked and another member decides to send the victim pampers, that other member would be perfectly within its rights. The US made 100% sure it has no obligations whatsoever under that treaty. Not to mention that when the US does have obligations, it simply breaks the treaty (the deal with Iran being the latest glaring example).

    • Replies: @A123
  163. @Wizard of Oz

    A great legal mind such as your own would surely know that under US law any person involved in any way in a crime resulting in the deaths of victims is held to be equally responsible. Just being a wheelman or a lookout is enough to be found to be as equally guilty as the triggerman. All forces involved in the war crimes of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, other than the US, were token forces whose role was as much to legitimise the US invasions as to have much material impact. Howard’s (and Blair’s) excuse that it was due to faulty intel is an insult to those who serve honourably and legitimately in ASIO.

    String them up, I say, and you Sir would demean yourself should you attempt to defend them.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  164. @Anonymous

    You are seeing the world in black and white, whereas in reality it has various shades of gray. The Deep State is not monolithic. Every snake in that pit wants to control not only us “deplorables”, but the other snakes, as well. While all those greedy rothschilds, soroses, and adelsons beat even Devil himself in their lack of morals, some placed their bets on the corrupt mad witch, while others on the orange clown. Some snakes are smart enough to understand that to keep their loot they need the protection of a strong US state. Otherwise other thieves would gladly steal their ill-gotten riches.

    The presidents are frauds in a sense that they are puppets, but not in a sense that they all have the same puppet master. Say, Nixon put the country ahead of the Empire and extricated us from the Vietnam quagmire. There is a chance that Trump (i.e., the faction of the Deep State that betted on him) also wants to save America as a country by acknowledging the losses of the Empire and acting accordingly. We’ll see soon enough.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  165. @anon

    Care to give us some examples of ‘Soviet Aggression’?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Svigor
  166. anon[994] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    WHAT IS ANTISEMITISM !

    Israel behind civilian planes ( this time in Lebanon)attacked Syria.

    criticizing this piece of Israeli behavior is known as anti semitism according to Jew and the jew slave Congress Senate , Diet , Parliament , ( USA Germany UK )
    . If Saddam were Jewish , his pals were Likud and the citizen worshipped in synagogue , criticism against 1990 invasion of Kuwait would have been called anti semitism punishable by jail .

  167. @foolisholdman

    There were cases of real Soviet aggression, although, contrary to the assertion of Western propaganda, much fewer than there were cases of the US aggression. To give you an example, invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 was Soviet aggression at its stupidest. The US invasion of the same Afghanistan in 2001 was equally stupid. One can argue that it was even more stupid, given that Soviet example preceded it. Only a hopeless moron steps into a trap knowing that it is a trap.

    However disgusting the US foreign policy was and still is, the USSR was no knight in shining armor, either.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  168. Svigor says:
    @foolisholdman

    Sure Finland Czechoslovakia Hungary Romania Ukraine Poland Germany Belarus Armenia Azerbaijan Estonia Latvia Bulgaria Georgia Yugoslavia Lithuania Moldova Chechnia etc.

  169. Agent76 says:
    @DESERT FOX

    September 11, 2016 Al Qaeda: The Data Base

    Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-the-database-2/24738

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  170. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Try again. Maybe 1979 was foolish, since “invasion” was manufactured.

    As Zbig Brzezinski admitted, the Soviet action was produced by the CIA support to anti-Russian Jihadi terrorism, not the other way round. Basically CIA funded terrorism to “give USSR its own Vietnam.” His interview is online.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @anon
  171. MacNucc11 says:
    @wayfarer

    An argument could be made that even chickenshit is being improperly associated since it most likely has some use as opposed to none at all.

    • Replies: @Dessert Bunny
  172. @geokat62

    geo warmly offered Fran: ‘Welcome to the dark side, Fran.”

    Hey G.D.L.-robed Brother geokat!

    As you likely are aware, the Syrian ballistic missile system gave 14 of 16 Israeli F-16 (dark) missiles aimed at Damascus outskirt a bright & shiny welcome.

    But nonetheless, please refer to Haaretz article below, and Russian knowledge of Israel’s endangering two civilian airplane flight trajectories.

    https://www.haaretz.com/whdcMobileSite/israel-news/russia-israel-s-syria-strike-directly-endangered-two-civilian-flights-1.6784562

  173. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The Iran/JOCPA deal was not a Treaty.

    Article II, Section 2, Clause 2, of the United States Constitution:

    …[The President] shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur….

    No such Treaty as approval was ever given by the Senate. Soros sock-puppet Obama lied when he claimed to have extra-constitutional powers to bind future administrations. Remember Obama’s promise, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor”? There were plenty of warning signs that Obama was a liar, so no one should be surprised that he lied about JOCPA.

    Trump did not violate or break anything, because the non-ratified, non-treaty did not meet Constitutional minimums.
    __________

    Putin supporters should understand this as Russia has an identical issue in play. The 1950’s transfer of Crimea to Ukraine did not meet Russian constitutional standards.

    Thus, identical to Trump’s treatment of JOCPA, Putin is free to ignore the unconstitutional acts of the prior Krushchev / Vorashilov administration.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @anon
  174. @Agent76

    Agree, and would add that AL CIADA ie ISIS is a creation of the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6 and NATO and Robin Cook was killed shortly after he made those statements, who benefits?

  175. @Miro23

    “Trump is dealing with the lethal crowd who orchestrated 9/11…”

    Well this line of thought raises some serious question: (1) Why did Trump run for president in the first place? (2) Why did he run on a platform of open defiance to the “deep state” only to occupy a position of intimidating powerlessness? (3) Why does he not fight back by investigating 9/11 or merely threatening to do so? (4) Why does he not use the power of the “presidential bully pulpit” against the “deep state”? (5) If he was sincere during the campaign, why did the “lethal crowd” not deploy a “lone nut” against him before the election? (With so much at stake, why would they risk letting a sincere person anywhere near the levers of power in the first place?) (6) How could a reasonable person be coerced into a course of action (in the realm of “foreign policy”) that seems to be leading to nuclear war/planetary extinction? (7) If he was sincere about putting America first, then failing everything else, why doesn’t he simply resign?

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @The scalpel
  176. @jilles dykstra

    From what I heard, Tony Blair was more enthusiastic about the Iraq war before it started, than was Bush.

  177. @MacNucc11

    Chicken shit makes excellent fertilizer. So it promotes life.

  178. @RobinG

    Well, it did give the USSR its own Vietnam. Now Afghanistan is Vietnam 2.0 for the US (Iraq being Vietnam 3.0; Syria being Vietnam 4.0).

  179. @A123

    Legally speaking, you are right. Not to mention that Obama was proven to be a liar in many other things. But withdrawing from the Iran deal damaged the US credibility even among its European vassals.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @anon
  180. anonymoys says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I’ve got good news for you. Sometimes the world/truth is really black and white. And in this case, certainly is: Trump is a fraud , has always been and will always be.

    And as far as I know , “American” presidents all have the same master, which by the way,is the same master that Putin and his bunch of corrupt oligarchs serve.. Of course there are exceptions…Nixon did try to fight against his master but I presume you know what happened to the poor man. Poor but lucky. He died in his bed.

    You got something right: “We’ll see soon enough.”.

    But let me tell you the future: there will be no withdraw from Syria UNLESS the king of Israel agrees.
    And if the King agrees, it is because, he has other objectives which his puppets, Trump, Putin, Macron…will certainly try to implement.

    But don’t worry, the deep state and the “experts” will always give you “arguments” so you can keep seeing the world in “various shades of gray”.

  181. @anonymoys

    Agree with two things. First, Nixon was luckier than Kennedy, he was only forced to resign, whereas Kennedy was murdered. Second, the same forces were responsible for both events.

    But these dark forces are not all-powerful. The world is more complicated than you paint it. There are different factions at work in the US and Russian politics, and these factions are doing their best to cut each others’ throats, which is a good thing. We should sincerely wish success to both teams.

    Say, many Russian oligarchs (BTW, oligarchs everywhere are criminals, in Russia, in the US, in Europe, etc.) are likely Zionists, but there are other forces supporting Putin’s throne. That’s why Russia screwed up the Israeli plan to break up Syria into a bunch of warring impotent Bantustans, using Islamic bandits, some paid scum, some just incredibly stupid “true believers”. In this Russia teamed up with the Israeli arch-enemy Iran. Judging by the Imperial tantrums in the US, which reached a hysterical pitch lately, Zionists are unhappy with Russian and Chinese stances. So, there is hope for humanity yet.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @anonymoys
  182. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    … Israel’s endangering two civilian airplane flight trajectories.

    Cynthia McKinney’s reaction:

  183. @geokat62

    Peace, joy, and The Protection be upon Cynthia, geokat! Thanks!!

    Below, fyi, Israel is withdrawing/ (confiscating?), hee-hee, funds allocated to German Holocaust museums.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/26/583970/Holocaust-Missing-Funds

    Anyone here at U.R. surprised? Including Wally?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @renfro
  184. @ChuckOrloski

    Hey geo!

    My apology, a misfire, should be Holocaust “survivor” allocated money and not for German Holocaust “museums.’

  185. @ChuckOrloski

    Israel’s endangering two civilian airplane flight trajectories

    The same rules of morality and International law regarding the use of human shields do not apply to Israel. Perhaps you remember this from the past:

    During war there are no civilians

    https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2010/09/201098123618465366.html

    “During war there are no civilians,” that’s what “Yossi,” an Israeli military (IDF) training unit leader simply stated during a round of questioning on day two of the Rachel Corrie trials, held in Haifa’s District Court earlier this week. “When you write a [protocol] manual, that manual is for war,” he added.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @ChuckOrloski
  186. @NoseytheDuke

    I bow to your superior knowledge of American law(s) but do recall the distasteful way in which one reads of not completely innocent defendants being swept up for plea bargains by such devices as conspiracy charges. But yes, I’m afraid Howard was at least an accessory before the fact and I have no doubt it was Howard that JMF had in mind when he looked at me at an anti Howard government affair in October 2004 and spoke of war criminals who ought to be tried though I recall thinking at the time that it went a bit far to include Howard, the hanger on. As one who came to give Howard amoral admiration just for the sustained determination needed to become a truly successful politician (Cf. F.S. Oliver “The Endless Adventure” and “In Defence of Politics” by Bernard Crick) I am more critical of him for what he did and didn’t do with his surprise control of the Senate (not so surprising to him actually by August 2004 polling) including election giveaways that did much to prevent Keating’s superannuation schemes ever leading to relief of the burden of old age pensions or, worse, the rise of industry funds to, effectively, be a funding arm for (often private school educated) Labor careerists who will give us 25 years of reduced productivity and unnecessary retail penalty rates and (at least for a while) reduced shopping hours and availability of path and radiology….. just e.g. Then maybe the drag from China no longer making our coal and iron ore super valuable will force changes that recognise we 99 per cent of us are lucky drones (pending a Merkel influx of a million incompatible refugees anyway, but that I would not expect from Shorten).

  187. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I will suggest that a blanket statement on credibility does not work as a logical construct. To be accurate, one must define the perspective via the question:
    Credibility in the eyes of whom?

    I observed a significant increase in U.S. credibility among the citizens and governments of practicing Christian nations of the EU. For example: Poland, Hungary, Austria, and Italy.

    Nations such as China that laughed at and casually rolled “Barak Hussein Obama the Submissive” also upped their respect for the U.S. when Trump took over. Though, I do concede that getting over a bar set at 0% (less than Rodney Dangerfield) is pretty easy.

    Yes, U.S. National Socialist Democrats [DNC] lost credibility among Establishment Elites of the NWO/UN Circle of Arrogance. After all, they failed to deliver Hillary Clinton to the White House. However, DNC credibility among unelected elites at the debauched UN has nothing to do with U.S. credibility among the civilized people of the world.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  188. A123 says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    More Taqiyya deliberate deception.

    Israel did not fire any weapon system at any civilian airplane. It is a lie to say that they did. Given the air space congestion in the area it is functionally impossible to fly a combat mission without overlapping a flight route.

    The only force that endangered civilian airliners were those firing anti-aircraft missiles that could hit those planes.

    This is why it is highly likely that Russia will never turn over S-300 systems to Syrian control. Russia wants to sell these systems. Interest will drop to zero if Syrian forces use the S-300 to shoot down a civilian airliner over another nation such as Lebanon or Turkey.

  189. @AnonFromTN

    “There are different factions at work in the US…and these factions are doing their best to cut each others’ throats, which is a good thing. We should sincerely wish success to both teams.”

    Seriously? With the exception of perhaps “the wall” and a few other relatively minor distractive issues (which won’t matter very much when the U.S. is a pile of nuclear ash), I don’t see any kind of “faction” offering any serious political opposition whatsoever to anything of significance that orange clown does. All I see is cheap talk/posturing.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  190. @A123

    Israel did not fire any weapon system at any civilian airplane.

    Strawman.

    Nobody said your people fired missiles at a civilian airline. You used civilian airplanes to hide behind. It is called using human shields – a war crime.

    As for Russia handing over control of S-300’s to Syria, I would advise you to continue to believe that. I look forward to your hubris and arrogance causing you to vanish in a puff of smoke one day.

    In any case, leave the US out of your squabbles.

  191. @A123

    blanket statement on credibility does not work as a logical construct

    Agree. But you appear to think that a blanket statement on “civilized people of the world” works as a logical construct. Sorry to disappoint, it does not work, either.

    After Trump announced that the US withdraws, every one of the other signatories of JCPOA (Iran nuclear deal), namely China, France, Germany, EU, Russia, UK, and Iran said that they will abide by the deal, with Iranian stipulation that if the US attempts any hostile action, it would consider itself no longer bound by it. To wit, France, Germany, UK, and EU are subservient pawns of the Empire in most cases.

    Iranians explicitly said that the US unilateral withdrawal from this deal shows that it is useless to negotiate with the US and come to any agreements with it, as the US will likely break its word any time it finds it convenient. This did a huge damage to the credibility of the country, no matter how you slice or dice it.

    I agree regarding DNC credibility. After they falsified the results of their primaries (as Wasserman-Schultz resignation right before the convention affirmed), DNC cannot claim any credibility. Not that they even needed this trick: Sanders proved to be just as much of a fraud and a piece of shit as the mad witch. However, DNC has nothing to do with it. Obama administration was supposed to represent the country, not DNC. If the ability of Trump to act as President depended on the credibility of RNC (which is as low as that of DNC, although they did not falsify primaries, to the dismay of Deep State), our country is done for.

    The President is supposed to be the leader of the country, not just his party. The actions of both Obama and Trump in the international affairs that are meant for internal consumption undermine the US more than any act of its avowed enemies.

    • Replies: @A123
  192. @A123

    The only force that endangered civilian airliners were those firing anti-aircraft missiles that could hit those planes.

    Are you saying that when Israeli rockets see a civilian aircraft, they turn away from it? LOL.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  193. @Cloak And Dagger

    Yes, C&D. Agree.

    Fyi, I particularly despise the Zionist GWOT designations, “collateral damage,” and the demonic branding of wartime Prisoners of War as “non-combatants,” and exempt from internationally recognized Geneva Convention treatment while in ZUSA military captivity.

    As a veteran who took an August 1970 solemn oath to honor humane treatment of war prisoners, & post-9/11, am wondering if taking such noble vow was being done throughout Basic Training posts, stationed across our (argh!) “Homeland.”

    Really made me sick to see how Sergeant Charles Garner and P.F.C. Lyndi England were held accountable for their barbaric Abu Ghraib acts, and shortly afterward, the freak-intellectual, John Yoo, became the distorted administration’s Prisoner-Torture High Priest. (Zigh)

    Am wondering in which prosperous U.S. Zionist “career” field has John Yoo landed?
    Hm. Perhaps U.R. Comment-Research Specialist can help me here?

    Thanks a lot, C&D!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  194. @Harold Smith

    Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive. There is a lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed how the US military always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US into radioactive dust? The profiteers want huge Pentagon budget to steal from, but not the war where they lose along with everyone else.

    As to the wall, it is one of the silliest projects ever suggested. Maybe that’s why it was so easy to sell it to the intellectually disadvantaged electorate. There are two things that can stop illegal immigration. First, go for the employers, enact a law that fines them to the tune of $50,000 or more per every illegal they employ. Second, enact the law that anyone caught residing in the US illegally has no right to enter the US legally, to obtain asylum, permanent residency, or citizenship for life, and include a provision that marriage to a US citizen does not nullify this ban. Then enforce both laws. After that illegals would run out of the country, and greedy employers won’t hire any more. Naturally, the wall, even if built, won’t change anything: as long as there are employers trying to save on salaries, immigration fees, and Social Security tax, and people willing to live and work illegally risking nothing, no wall would stem the flow.

    Unfortunately, no side is even thinking about real measures, both are just posturing.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @JLK
  195. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Am wondering in which prosperous U.S. Zionist “career” field has John Yoo landed?

    He is a distinguished professor at Berkley Law, UC. Here’s his bio:

    Professor Yoo is the Emanuel Heller Professor of Law and director of the Korea Law Center, the California Constitution Center, and the Law School’s Program in Public Law and Policy. His most recent books are Striking Power: How Cyber, Robots, and Space Weapons Change the Rules for War (Encounter 2017) (with Jeremy Rabkin) and Point of Attack: Preventive War, International Law, and Global Welfare (Oxford University Press, 2014). Professor Yoo is a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution…

    From 2001 to 2003, he served as a deputy assistant attorney general in the Office of Legal Counsel at the U.S. Department of Justice, where he worked on issues involving foreign affairs, national security and the separation of powers.

    https://www.law.berkeley.edu/our-faculty/faculty-profiles/john-yoo/

    Notice how they gloss over his diabolical activities as deputy AG for the Bush II Adminstration… “where he worked on issues involving foreign affairs, national security and the separation of powers.”

    And, oh, yeah, he cobbled together legal statements that gave the Bush Admin carte blanche to engage in “enhanced interrogation techniques,” more commonly known as “torture.” He was about to be in big dodo for his crimes. but just like the 5 dancing Israelis were rescued by Chertoff, a guy named David Margolis managed to get Yoo off the hook:

    The Office of Professional Responsibilty (OPR) report concluded that Yoo had “committed ‘intentional professional misconduct’ when he advised the CIA it could proceed with waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects,” although the recommendation that he be referred to his state bar association for possible disciplinary proceedings was overruled by David Margolis, another senior Justice department lawyer.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo

    Anyone familiar with David Margolis? Is he a MOT?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  196. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    — Do violent Iranian al-Hezbollah forces in Syria take off for Christian holidays? No?
    — Do violent Iranian al-Hamas forces in Gaza disrespect their own religion by launching offensive, border assaults every Friday? Yes?

    everyone is violent except israel – yes? no?

  197. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymoys

    I’ve got good news for you. Sometimes the world/truth is really black and white. And in this case, certainly is: Trump is a fraud , has always been and will always be.

    we can’t be 100% sure yet but it’s looking that way

    unless that wall starts getting built pronto i don’t see any reason to suport him 2020

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  198. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    As Zbig Brzezinski admitted….

    this creep should be written out of history

    same with kissinger

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  199. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    They are constantly, constantly stealing.

    17 charged in massive Holocaust fraud case – US news – Crime …
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/ns/us…/charged-million-holocaust-fraud-case/

    Nov 9, 2010 – 17 charged in $42 million Holocaust fraud case. FBI: Employees at Jewish Claims Center had people pretend to be victims of Nazi persecution so they could collect money German funds …over 6000 phony claims

    Germany Seeks Compensation for $57M Holocaust Fraud – The Forward
    https://forward.com › News › World

    Apr 17, 2015 – Germany is for the first time seeking compensation for the $57 million lost to fraud at the Claims Conference. But the Holocaust agency says it …

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  200. All right and clear…
    Pity, that the lot is stained by the dropping-like sterotype about Goebels’ “big lie”…
    Never mind it’s of Hitler’s labour, not Goebels’, but, more important, in Mein Kampf it is clearly expressed as a warning (beware..) against the chosen-tribe techniques.. The autor should be learned enough to know better: superficiality or malice?

  201. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    You are so desperate that you are looking under the mattress to find your last penny. Why don’t you ask your grandmother to ( Ben Guiron or Gold mare or some WaPo Rubin or KKK- Krathamer Kristol Kagan ) to find it for you ?

    • Replies: @RobinG
  202. @anon

    Your article names the supporters…

    He does that consistently and it’s exactly what needs to be done. It’s also what makes him one of the few people I bother to read any more.

    We ‘Merkins would be a lot better off with a few more PGs around and I hope he had a fine Christmas was a very Happy Nw Year!

  203. @AnonFromTN

    AnonfromTN inquired: “Are you saying that when Israeli rockets see a civilian aircraft, they turn away from it? LOL.”

    My logical return lob is, eh-hem: As Mossad Israelis staged across the Hudson to watch an (apparent) airplane crash into WTC tower, they were prepped to take-it-all-in, celebrate, and dance.

    No “LOL’s.” River of Tears.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  204. @anonymoys

    But let me tell you the future: there will be no withdraw from Syria UNLESS the king of Israel agrees.

    No doubt about it. I’m sure the Trumpster is telling us peasants what we want to hear, just as he did while campaigning, and who knows if the US military will really get out of Syria on his order. I myself think he’s bullshitting, but I hope I’m wrong.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @anonymoys
  205. @geokat62

    I thethink McKinney is great, but she’s a biut behind the curve with this.:

    The Israelis have lost their ever-loving minds:

    They apparently never had any to begin with. There’s plenty of evidence that the instigators of political Zionism and the terrorist State of Israel with dreams of world control, were nuts from the get-go and they do get high grades for consistentcy.

  206. @geokat62

    Upon request, Brother geokat informed me: “He (John Yoo) is a distinguished professor at Berkley Law, UC.”

    If there was ever in American history either a lawyer, academic, or Federal bureaucrat assigned to “black ops” business in the U.S., and who deserved capital punishment more than John Yoo, my vote goes to David Margolis.

    Thanks a lot, geo! Fyi, I confess having gone to Almighty Know-All Google for a Margolis refresher (yuck!) course.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  207. @ChuckOrloski

    Pretty much. Sounds like “the only democracy in the Middle East”.

    But if we cry for every victim of Israeli scheming, we can’t drink enough to replenish the store of tears. Maybe we should do something about it, rather than crying or laughing? Or commenting here lulled by false anonymity? NSA is listening, anyway.

  208. @renfro

    Thanks a lot for the additional information, renfro!

    Incredible how globally far they run with the Holohoax, and then steal from its dwindling “survivors.”

    (Zigh) I have hunch that, & given “endgame time,” the elite Zionist Central Command would inevitably destroy one another.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  209. @anon

    I disagree. History should accord both individuals a very prominent place, but in truthful accounts of their deeds.

  210. @AnonFromTN

    “Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive.”

    I think you are overestimating their intelligence; and/or underestimating their evil nature. Evil people seem to have a habit of becoming so consumed with evil that they act irrationally; ultimately against their own best interests, and at that point “intelligence,” if there is any, is irrelevant.

    “There is a lot of silly hostile talk against Russia and China, but have you noticed how the US military always makes sure that there are no direct confrontations with countries that can turn the US into radioactive dust?”

    No I haven’t. On the contrary, I’ve seen U.S. military personnel violate their enlistment oaths and carry out orange clown’s facially illegal, immoral, unconstitutional and utterly reckless orders, e.g., attacking the Shayrat airbase in Syria with cruise missiles; thereby helping our treasonous domestic enemy to commit his war crimes.

    As I see it, 100% of the credit for the fact that a war with Russia hasn’t happened yet, goes to the Russian side. It is only Russian restraint in the face of orange clown’s serial provocations that has prevented war so far, IMO. But I suspect that there is a limit somewhere, and I believe orange clown and his handlers and enablers are determined to find it.

    BTW if there are “factions at each others throats in the U.S.” then where’s the meaningful opposition to orange clown’s stated intent to abandon the INF treaty? This would perhaps be the most evil, most utterly unreasonable, most recklessly dangerous thing the evil clown will have done so far yet the “faction” that’s “at his throat” sits there mute?

  211. Anonymous[276] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel keeps bombing Russia’s ally Syria while Russia does nothing.

    Where is this wonderful advanced Russian military that Russia has been bragging about?

    I’ll tell you where: Nowhere.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @anonymoys
  212. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    If there was ever in American history either a lawyer, academic, or Federal bureaucrat assigned to “black ops” business in the U.S., and who deserved capital punishment more than John Yoo, my vote goes to David Margolis.

    I agree, Chuck.

    Here’s what the NYT had to say about his handling of the Yoo case:

    The Justice Department’s ethics lawyers had concluded that John C. Yoo and Jay S. Bybee, two of the department lawyers responsible for legal opinions authorizing brutal tactics like waterboarding, demonstrated “professional misconduct” and should be sanctioned.

    But Mr. Margolis overruled that decision and concluded that their legal memos authorizing the tactics, while flawed, were tempered by the “context” of the frenzied period when they were written.

    Criticized by some Democrats for going too easy on the lawyers, Mr. Margolis said later that he agonized over that decision more than any other he had made.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/david-margolis-a-justice-department-institution-dies-at-76.html

    Could you imagine the Nuremberg Trials citing the “frenzied period” to exonerate the vile Nahzees?

    Me neither.

  213. JLK says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Maybe I am overestimating the intelligence of MIC profiteers, but my impression is that those thieves know that their loot is only useful as long as they are alive.

    The MIC profiteers are just cogs in the machine, and things can spiral out of control once the genie is out of the bottle and the military has the hardware. Oppenheimer probably would have had second thoughts about working on the Manhattan Project if he knew it would be too late to use on the Nazis and the USSR would become the main adversary.

  214. geokat asked me: “Could you imagine the Nuremberg Trials citing the “frenzied period” to exonerate the vile Nahzees?”

    Like you, geo, mine answer ist, “nein.”

    In addition, an unquestionable lot of chickenhawk “Nahzee” Jews chalk up the “Transfer Agreement” (and its implementation) as an anomaly during Germany’s “frenzied period” of striving to return to normalcy after the punishing Versailles Treaty and subsequent Weimar Republic’s inflicted financial pain and cultural degradation.

    Thanks, geo! Ich bin ein (West) Banker.

  215. @Anonymous

    A wise leader conserves his military strength. Sun Tzu.

    Israel’s bombing of Syria doesn’t directly threaten the security of Russia but the coming implosion of the US economy might threaten the petrodollar which might seriously undermine Israel and the US. The rise of Asia and China’s expansive development only adds to that so ask yourself, whose side is time on?

    Should a majority of Americans ever wake up to Israel’s complicity in 9/11 things could turn very ugly and very quickly, for all concerned. The US and Israel might yet learn that there are benefits to playing nice and to playing fair.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  216. @Digital Samizdat

    Well said. Incredibly, the British House of Lords is the most Jewish governmental body outside of the Israeli Knesset.

    Nearly one third of the members of the British House of Lords are crypto-Israelis (Jews). Once again, they enjoy astronomical over-representation.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  217. anonymoys says:
    @Anonymous

    You’re surprised because you presume that Russia is an independent country and that Putin is what the MSM and Alt-media is telling you. He isn’t.

    You just need to know that Putin’s best friend and his master is the King of Israel. Russia lost its independence in 1917.

    If you learn this, you’ll see through the big lie.

  218. anonymoys says:
    @anon

    “unless that wall starts getting built pronto i don’t see any reason to support him 2020”

    With or w/o wall you should not support him or anyone in 2020. In 2020, you and all Americans should stay at home. It will be a bloodless revolution. It’s the only kind worth doing.

    Democracy isn’t about electing a blue or red godfather every 4 years.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  219. Miro23 says:
    @Harold Smith

    “Trump is dealing with the lethal crowd who orchestrated 9/11…”

    Well this line of thought raises some serious questions:

    (1) Why did Trump run for president in the first place?

    He’s a publicity seeker, and a losing Presidential election stunt was great for his brand (no real risk of winning – every talking head said that he would lose). This idea came from commenter Barbarossa: [“I remember seeing Trump’s face on election night as it became clear that he might actually win. Trump’s demeanor very clearly signaled “Oh…Shit…” I remember chortling at the TV something along the lines of “You didn’t expect to win did you, ya poor sob!”]

    (2) Why did he run on a platform of open defiance to the “deep state” only to occupy a position of intimidating powerlessness?

    He never expected to get elected and have to deliver on: “Drain the Swap”, “End the Fed”, “Stop the Wars”, “Make Friends with Russia”, “Build the Wall” etc.

    (3) Why does he not fight back by investigating 9/11 or merely threatening to do so?

    He’s an experienced high rise developer in New York and knows better than anyone that the 3 towers didn’t fall due to fire (govt. account). Many others also know it and also choose to keep quiet.

    (4) Why does he not use the power of the “presidential bully pulpit” against the “deep state”?

    Self preservation.

    (5) If he was sincere during the campaign, why did the “lethal crowd” not deploy a “lone nut” against him before the election? (With so much at stake, why would they risk letting a sincere person anywhere near the levers of power in the first place?)

    He wasn’t sincere during the election and never expected to get elected. It was a genuine surprise all round.

    (6) How could a reasonable person be coerced into a course of action (in the realm of “foreign policy”) that seems to be leading to nuclear war/planetary extinction?

    I guess that he’s being blackmailed in every way (he’s an ideal candidate – and whole teams of journalists and lawyers are digging dirt on him). Maybe, at the limit, he has enough “wriggle room” to pull out of Syria?

    (7) If he was sincere about putting America first, then failing everything else, why doesn’t he simply resign?

    He was never sincere. He’s a 0,1 % billionaire from New York with friends like Sheldon Adelson, who happened to take some time out with the “Deplorables” in a publicity campaign that backfired.

  220. APilgrim says:
    @Miro23

    A recording of the Presidents Own Band playing ‘Hail to the Chief’.

    The Marine Corps Band. (suck on it)

  221. anonymoys says:
    @AnonFromTN

    You keep repeating the same mantra….

    Yes, yes, we all know that. The world is very complex indeed.

    In fact the world is more complex than you or anyone else in the world can imagine. That’s the reason why human beings are and will always be ignorant creatures even when they got a phd

    No human being can penetrate the world’s complexity. And if s/he does, s/he won’t be able to tell us. S/He won’t have the words to explain us that complexity.

    But we are not talking about THAT complexity, are you ?

    We are talking about lies, half-lies, propaganda, criminals, frauds and liars like Trump,Hillary and Bill Clinton, Obama, Bush, Putin, Macron, etc…and their boss, the King of Israel.

    That “complexity” 99%° of human beings can penetrate.

    Your “complexity” is “Chilcot’s complexity”.

    Sir John Chilcot spent 7 years writing a report on Iraq war. The inquiry -four times the length of War and Peace- was written to “explain” the British people how “complex” was the situation that “forced” former British PM to take Britain into war.

    Well, most British people and decent people around the world knew, know the reason why that decision was taken: Tony Blair (King of Israel’s poodle) is a liar, a fraud, a narcissist, an obnoxious creature who was playing Churchill against “Hitler”. His cabinet -with exception of former foreign secretary , Robin Cook, was constituted by a bunch of cowardly and disgusting and ambitious little men and women.

    Of course Chilcot, in his report, never calls his friend(Tony Blair) a liar and a war criminal. He writes about how “complex” was the situation.

    That’s how complex is your world. The mafia governing us like that “complexity”.

    They use it to commit crimes and never get punished. War criminal Tony Blair is still a free man.

    So please, stop telling us how complex the world is.

    I don’ know why Russia is in Syria. I’d suggest it is because Russia is just playing the role it was given. The war in Syria and everywhere is a good business for the western MIC and…Russian’s.

    The objective is to divide Syria in small Bantustans…It seems that even the “saviour” of Syria -Putin, agrees with that idea….what a surprise!

  222. The scalpel says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Not that it was a huge big deal, but it was very telling when Trump went back on his campaign promises to release all the JFK files.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  223. anonymoys says:
    @jacques sheete

    “but I hope I’m wrong.”

    Unfortunately for thousands and thousands of future victims, you’re not.

  224. @Miro23

    Interesting theories and explanations, all. Not likely but plausible.

    I, too, recall the look of reserved shock on Trump’s face when he did (incredibly) win the Presidency.

    And surely, as a builder, Trump must have seen the footage and been mystified by the collapse of Building 7. Yet he’s never made a public comment about that eye-popping mystery. Curious.

    Ironically, Trump may be little more than the public face of a semi-faux democracy that rotates figureheads every four or eight years. Like a gigantic, living iceberg, the Deep State is mostly submerged, mostly invisible, full of deadly surprises.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  225. @FB

    the meta-fer is extremely apt, if one remembers those old LOONY TUNES cartoons

    “Henery Hawk was a cartoon character created by Chuck Jones and Robert McKimson in the Looney Tunes series. The premise of this character was that he was too young to know what a chicken was and hence, although having a great deal of energy, was easily tricked into thinking that other animals (usually the Barnyard Dawg or Sylvester) were chickens.”

  226. Realist says:
    @follyofwar

    I’ve read that Mr. Trump abrupted decided to pull out of Syria after a phone call with Erdogan. He wasn’t about to confer with Mattis, Pompeo, or Bolton as they would have all objected. Trump cannot afford to be the president who allowed Turkey to leave NATO and align with Russia. It’s all about geo-politics.

    He hasn’t done it yet.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @anon
  227. onebornfree says: • Website

    I wouldn’t get too optimistic about this. It would pay the individual to remember:

    “War is the health of the state”
    Randolph Bourne

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    Regards, onebornfree

  228. annamaria says:
    @A123

    Aren’t Jews love and respect Christians?
    https://www.rt.com/news/447481-netanyahu-air-force-syria-iran/

    On the evening of Christmas Day, six Israeli F-16 fighter jets used two civilian flights as cover to strike a logistics compound on the outskirts of Damascus from Lebanese airspace, the Russian Defense Ministry said Wednesday. Thus, during the assault, the Syrian military was forced to restrict the use of air defense systems and radio jamming capabilities to avert a possible tragedy. Despite that advantage, only two of the sixteen Israeli-launched laser-guided bombs reached their targets, wounding three people, while the rest were intercepted.

  229. annamaria says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    “The US and Israel might yet learn that there are benefits to playing nice and to playing fair.”

    The same learning is awaiting the US “Intelligence Community” — the blatantly unintelligent CIA and FBI.
    The IC brass is still oblivious to the enormous harm that the institutionalized lawlessness has been bringing inevitably to their children’ and grandchildren’ future.
    Morell, Hayden, Comey, Miller and the likes are rotten to the core. The Russiagate has a silverzlining of exposing the stratospheric level of corruption among the IC brass.
    And who can forget the warning from a self-assured Israel-firster (and thus a rightful owner of the US Congress and IC) Chuck Schumer:

    Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday of getting back at you

  230. @mark green

    Scranton greetings, Mark Green!

    Upon winning the Zio-two horse race for president, Trump’s “look of shock” was normal, one as if he won a Cadillac rather than a Mitsubishi.

    Fyi, cannot manage to retrieve the You Tube video, but Trump did visit “Ground Zero” along with his top building engineer, and in a less than “eye popping observation,” Donald J. concluded how unlikely was airplane crashes & fire that flattened WTC towers.

    As you know, America could have plausibly gotten a somewhat Israel-free “MAGA” president, namely Ron Paul, but for the squirmy Zio-approved campaign debate “moderators,” & their having down sized the amount of questions fielded toward Ron Paul.

    For auld lang syne purpose, Mark, below fyr, is linked what could have been done (long ago), as a good presidential M.E. foreign policy start.

    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/december/24/troops-out-of-syria-and-afghanistan-that-s-a-good-start/

    Be well, unflappably vocal, and thanks!

    • Replies: @mark green
  231. annamaria says:
    @A123

    The Shoah-businessmen in action: https://www.fort-russ.com/2018/12/major-israels-christmas-air-strike-against-syria-jeopardized-civilian-aircraft/

    The Israeli Air Force provocations on the night of December 25 when six F-16 fighters carried out an air strike against Syria from neighboring Lebanon’s airspace created a direct threat to two passenger planes.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  232. @anonymoys

    Putin is in Syria while if Syria falls, Iran will fall, and Russia is next.
    I wonder what is so complex in the present world.

    Since Morgenthau brought Wilson to power the jewish objective was to control the world.
    Versailles was seen as jewish conference.
    Hitler, as Mao and Stalin, disturbed the game.
    Baruch again tried for world power, but it again failed.
    1990 should have been the golden opportunity, but it was not used, why, in hindsight, I do not understand. Perhaps war at the time politically was impossible.

    PNAC of AEI was just in 1993.
    The neocons were called the crazies, until Bush began executing their plans, but, again too late, China and Russian as PNAC had warned, already too strong, and wars are expensive.
    The USA was welcomed neither in Afghanistan nor in Iraq.
    Hillary was to wage another war to end all wars, but sensible Americans voted for Trump.

    Then we have the poverty issue, coupled with race.
    ‘We want better lives’, Merkel opening the doors, playing on guilt feelings, a Brussels that measures power in population numbers, the green enthusiasts, those, IPCC, that abuse green for world wide income redistribution, and the ‘down with white supremacy’ movements, together with the enemies of the European cultures.

    Now what is so complex ?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @A123
    , @anonymoys
  233. @anonymoys

    Of course Chilcot, in his report, never calls his friend(Tony Blair) a liar and a war criminal. He writes about how “complex” was the situation.

    It was complex.
    Saddam had been hired to subjugate Iran, he failed, and he stopped being the USA puppet.
    On the contrary, he wanted to be the leader of the ME, tried to build his on atomic bomb, and a system for launching satellites and intercontinental missiles.
    On top of that he threatened to undermine the dollar.
    The USA never learned anything from its history, Japan also was a sorcerer’s pupil.
    Now, was there any other solution than war for Iraq ?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  234. @Realist

    Who has not done what ?
    Is Turkey still a NATO member in present politics ?

    • Replies: @Realist
  235. @annamaria

    Am reminded of the Lusitania, and Kristall Nacht.
    Would it not have been great if Syria had shot down two commercial passenger planes ?

  236. @The scalpel

    It tells that Trump is a business man.
    The gesture cost him nothing, and now the ammunition still is there.
    Can be used anytime.

  237. @Miro23

    According tp prof Laslo Maracs of UVA university Amsterdam Trump wanted to be president because he understood that continuing Democratic foreign policies would ruin the USA, and him and his rich friends.

  238. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Agree.

    The”humanitarian” Jewish State shows its “superior morality,” again: https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/how-clever.html

    The Jewish State took into consideration the morality of Syrians and Russians before the Jewish State decided to endanger two civil airlines.

    Israelis carried out strikes in Syria “using scheduled airline departures and arrivals as cover believing correctly that the SAA would not engage fearing to shoot down an airliner.”

    “The Israeli Air Force (IAF) carried out its recent airstrikes in Syria when two civilians planes were landing in Beirut and Damascus, putting passengers at risk…

    … the Syrian Arab Air Defense Forces delayed the deployment of surface-to-air missiles and electronic jamming “to prevent a tragedy.” Meanwhile, the Damascus air traffic control diverted one of the passenger jets to a reserve airport in Khmeimim in southern Lattakia.

    … 6 Israeli F-16 warplanes used 16 US-made GPS-guided GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs (SDBs) [Merry Christmas, US MIC X-tians!] in the attack, which occurred at the late hours of December 25. Only 2 SDBs managed to hit their targets, while the rest were intercepted by the SyAADF.

    Last September, a Russian Il-20 plane was downed by Syrian air defense fire when Israeli warplanes used it as a cover to strike targets on the Syrian coast. The recent airstrikes show that Israel is now using the same tactic with civilian planes, which endangers the flights not only over Syria, but also over Lebanon and Jordan.”

    Colonel W. Patrick Lang comment:

    I would not recommend flying into Beirut or Damascus on civil airlines. What the Israelis did here is carry out strikes in Syria using scheduled airline departures and arrivals as cover believing correctly that the SAA would not engage fearing to shoot down an airliner.

    https://southfront.org/russian-mod-israeli-air-force-used-landing-of-two-civilian-planes-as-cover-for-airstrikes/

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @anon
  239. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I think you may still be missing the point in a few critical ways. Here is what you said, the # references are mine.

    …1… Iranians explicitly said that the …2… US unilateral withdrawal from this deal shows that it is …3…useless to negotiate with the US and come to any agreements with it, as the US will likely break its word any time it finds it convenient. This did a …4… huge damage to the credibility of the country, no matter how you slice or dice it.

    (1) Why quote Iran as setting the standard for credibility? Their violence, weapons programs, and attempts to destabilize the region, started this mess in the first place. As a perspective, it is the one most geared to starting a war.
    ____

    (2) Again, the U.S. did not unilaterally withdraw from anything. The U.S. never joined the deal. Obama’s personal word by Obama, for Obama, and only about Obama, ended when he left office.

    — The Treaty provision of the U.S. Constitution is not a secret. Everyone had fair warning that no President can bind the U.S. without Senate approval.
    — Obama never obtained that Senate ratification. The missing approval is public record.

    The Soros/UN Elites fooled themselves. They were certain that “Hillary the Destroyer (of E-mail)” would succeed “Obama the Submissive”. They thought that pesky U.S. Constitution thing didn’t apply to them.

    _____

    (3) The Trump administration’s adherence to the Constitution improves the ability to negotiate with the U.S., because everyone understands the rules of engagement. He will take the steps to obtain Senate ratification and legally bind future administrations. And, if not received, openly admit that the necessary approval did not take place.

    To illustrate — Trump will officially use the exit provisions built into NAFTA. And, submit the replacement USCMA treaty to the Senate. He will then abide by the Senate ratification decision ‘no deal’ or ‘ratified USCMA’. Yes, killing NAFTA before USCMA is accepted is a rather strong arm tactic. Given the Senate’s ability to dither endlessly, compelling them into action requires a certain amount of Putin-esque strength.
    _____

    (4) This comes full circle to my original point about perspective. Phrases such as “no matter how you slice or dice it” do not work. In fact how people self-divide into groups is very important.

    — The U.S. has less credibility with a tiny number of people that viewed the U.S. as a willing submissive slave state to their desires. For example: National Socialist Globalists, Iranian religious zealots, EU Elites (mostly unelected), the UN/NWO (entirely unelected), and Soros-servitor sock puppets.
    — The U.S. has substantially improved credibility among large numbers of Christian Populist citizens in the EU, and even broad swaths of potential enemies who viewed Obama as joke.

    Stepping back and looking at the situation objectively, it is a win-win. The U.S. has less credibility as a submissive slave state and more credibility as strong leader protecting Christian freedoms.

    • Troll: RobinG
  240. @annamaria

    What the Israelis did here is carry out strikes in Syria using scheduled airline departures and arrivals as cover believing correctly that the SAA would not engage fearing to shoot down an airliner.

    Or is it:
    What the Israelis did here is carry out strikes in Syria using scheduled airline departures and arrivals as cover, hoping that the SAA would shoot down an airliner, possibly two ?
    The MH17 trick ?

  241. @Miro23

    “He’s a publicity seeker, and a losing Presidential election stunt was great for his brand (no real risk of winning – every talking head said that he would lose).”

    Your explanation doesn’t make sense. First, he already had publicity. If he didn’t have enough publicity, why wait until he’s 70 yrs. old to seek more publicity? And why use the office to do jew dirty work? Publicity doesn’t necessarily require mass murder, does it? How would it benefit him and his “brand” if he starts a nuclear war with Russia over Syria or Ukraine? Wouldn’t it be better for him and his “brand” if he followed through on the campaign promises that got him elected?

    “He never expected to get elected and have to deliver on: “Drain the Swap”, “End the Fed”, “Stop the Wars”, “Make Friends with Russia”, “Build the Wall” etc.”

    Bullshit; in fact you contradict yourself. If he never expected to win, then why did he have to lie in the first place? And once being elected, why did he have to be even worse than Obama? If Obama didn’t have to move the embassy to Jerusalem, why did Trump? If Obama didn’t have to loosen the rules of engagement, killing more civilians in drone attacks, then why did Trump? If Obama didn’t have to escalate in Afghanistan, then why did Trump? And why did he accept money from jew-supremacist Adelson? Why did he surround himself with PNAC zionist madmen and madwomen? Why not pick Walter Jones for sec. of defense and Rand Paul for sec. of state?

    “He’s an experienced high rise developer in New York and knows better than anyone that the 3 towers didn’t fall due to fire (govt. account). Many others also know it and also choose to keep quiet.”

    You didn’t answer my question. The question is WHY doesn’t he investigate 9/11 or merely threaten to investigate it; e.g., as a way of getting the “deep state” off his back?

    “Self preservation.”

    LOL! You imply that he’s afraid of a “lone nut” or some other form of “deep state” retribution but he’s not afraid of a nuclear war; and that seems rather nonsensical.

    But let’s say for the sake of argument that he is concerned about “self preservation” in the sense you imply. If so, why would he run a presidential campaign (that he was insincere about and didn’t really expect to win anyway) on a platform of open defiance to the “deep state”, thereby potentially risking the same fate as RFK? It simply makes no sense. It’s a contradiction. Why didn’t he run on a platform that “Obama wasn’t tough enough on Russia and China” or something like that, for example?

    “He wasn’t sincere during the election and never expected to get elected. It was a genuine surprise all round.”

    Once again, I’ll call you on the contradiction: If he didn’t expect to get elected why did he he need to run a completely dishonest campaign? If I sincerely do not believe that the cops are going to arrest me for a crime, why would I lie to them by making up a false alibi?

    And how do you explain Trump’s anti-establishment tweets from 2013 for example?

    Why would Trump make public statements like these? Was he sincere when he made these statements? Why or why not?

    “I guess that he’s being blackmailed in every way (he’s an ideal candidate – and whole teams of journalists and lawyers are digging dirt on him). Maybe, at the limit, he has enough “wriggle room” to pull out of Syria?”

    LOL! You contradict yourself yet again. If he wasn’t sincere in the first place, then why would he need to be “blackmailed” into doing something that he is not opposed to on principle? But for the sake of argument, let’s say you’re right and he is being blackmailed, the contradiction not withstanding. In that case why doesn’t he get the blackmailers off his back by investigating or threatening to investigate 9/11?

    “He was never sincere. He’s a 0,1 % billionaire from New York with friends like Sheldon Adelson, who happened to take some time out with the “Deplorables” in a publicity campaign that backfired.”

    Well it’s obvious “that he was never sincere” and it’s equally obvious why. Not because “shit happens” as you absurdly argue, but because of the only explanation that makes sense: orange clown is a “deep state” “Trojan horse” who was intended to win the election, and whose whole campaign was a carefully calculated bait and switch fraud from the beginning.

  242. @anonymoys

    I won’t get into philosophical arguments. I agree that Blair is a liar and a war criminal, same as Bush Jr, Rumsfeld, Rice, and many others. That part of the world is rather simple. Their proper place is in jail for life, and the fact that they are free is disgusting.

    Yes, co-called “Chilcot inquiry” was a pure cover-up, just like Warren commission in the US. What does this prove beyond deep corruption within self-appointed “democratic countries” and disgusting hypocrisy of their elites and MSM?

    My take is that Putin plays his own geopolitical game, where Syria is just one of many chess pieces. However, I’d like to see proof that Putin agrees with the idea of breaking up Syria into a bunch of impotent Bantustans. So far all evidence suggests the opposite. Can you provide any links to support your assertion?

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  243. @A123

    As to the US protecting Christian freedoms, see #227.

    If you look at the world with your eyes open, as sponsors of terrorism and the worst Islamic scum on Earth, the US “allies” KSA and Qatar beat Iran by about 100:1. As aggressor, Israel beats Iran by about 1,000:1. So, who is destabilizing the region? I am not even going into how revealing it is that US weapons of all kinds were (and still are) in the hands of ISIS bandits, or that another US “ally” Israel saved “White Helmets”. However, nobody is as blind as someone who refuses to see.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  244. EugeneGur says:
    @A123

    Why quote Iran as setting the standard for credibility? Their violence, weapons programs, and attempts to destabilize the region, started this mess in the first place. As a perspective, it is the one most geared to starting a war.

    This is total BS. I don’t know whether you are blind or unwilling to see, which amounts to the same thing. Even the US doesn’t claim that Iran is violating the terms of the treaty. A country constantly threatened with aggression is entitled to develop weapons, and it doesn’t need the US permission to do so. The whole mess started in 1953 by the CIA-engineered coup that overthrew Mossadegh and put all power in the hands of the Shah. Thus, the US is the one continuously destabilizing the region. Iran hasn’t started any war in 300 years, as opposed to the US, which constantly at war. So, yes, Iran is a hell of a lot better standard for credibility than America.

    The U.S. has less credibility as a submissive slave state and more credibility as strong leader protecting Christian freedoms.

    You are delusional. Even the most faithful US stooges don’t view the US a protector of “Christian freedoms” but simply a biggest bully in the neighborhood they could use for the own ends.

  245. A123 says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Putin is in Syria while if Syria falls, Iran will fall, and Russia is next.

    For those who want peace… The goal is just the opposite. De-coupling Iran and Syria, so the relatively peaceful Syrian/Russian grouping can come back. Iran falls, both Syria and Russia prosper.

    Iran is headed for a collapse. The struggling economy and lack of freedom have divided the tyrants of Iran from the people of Iran. Eventually the Iranian people will get rid of failed Islamic National Socalism. Venezuela is now what Iran will be in 10 years or so.

    When the current Iranian regime goes down, Lebanon is likely to collapse as well because Iranian al-Hezbollah has undermined the Lebanese government. Making sure that Russian sponsored Syria stays functional will be important to containing the Lebanon problem. However, for that to happen, Iranian al-Hezbollah must exit Syria before Iran collapses.

    Satellite imagery of the recent Israeli strike shows far more than the two ‘admitted’ hits. Russia did not defend Iranian al-Hezbollah, and as a direct result a number of al-Hezbollah leaders are now deceased. Those leaders believed they had a free pass to make open military moves on Christmas Eve. Given that neither Muslims nor Jews observe Christmas… the stupidity of that belief is mind boggling.

    Eventually, Iran will push Assad and Putin too far and be sent home. Putin has no interest in spending Russian lives in the service of Khemini’s follies.
    _______

    “Having stupid enemies is much better than having clever ones.” unknown Sergeant

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anonymous
  246. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    maybe he’s letting his supporters slowly realize that’s he’s a liar and the campaign promises he made were just lies

    “the wall just got 10 feet higher”
    “i’ll eliminate birthright citizenship”
    “i’ll release the JFK files”

    and on and on…

    • Replies: @Realist
  247. annamaria says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “…was there any other solution than war for Iraq?”

    Doubtlessly, yes. Instead, the American cannibals of Cheney/Perle kind rushed to create a humanitarian catastrophe in the Middle East, including this: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Falluja+catastrophe+babies&t=osx&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images?

    A less bloody solution would require the US to adhere to the international law and diplomacy. Instead, the evangelical/zionized/war-profiteering US, which is always ready to preach “X-tian values and democracy on the march,” had initiated the mass murder in the Middle East.

  248. anon[190] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    imagine if we actually controlled our own media and CBS, ABC, NBC evening news etc reported it this way

    how fast the American people would begin to hate israel and the jews

  249. annamaria says:
    @A123

    “Why quote Iran as setting the standard for credibility? ”

    Interesting. And what country is your paragon of credibility?

    Perhaps you have in mind the Brennan-Mueller country of Awan & CrowdStrike affairs?
    Or your heart is with the land of eternally quetching thieves like Avi Lieberman (a Moldovan felon) and Yair & Bibi Mileikovsky-Netanyahu (the ugly fasces of Israeli corruption).

    What’s the reason for the Shoah-bannered & profiteering Jewish State, when Israeli government is helping enthusiastically to the ongoing restoration of Nazism?

    In terms of the extent of covert Israeli support to such groups as the neo-Nazi Azov Battallion, Haaretz lists as examples high level meetings between Ukrainian military officials and Israeli defense companies, especially involving contracts related to communications systems, warplanes, and helicopters; as well as Tel Aviv’s approval for the Ukrainian company Fort to produce Tavor, Negev, and Galil rifles under Israeli contract; and further IDF officers and instructors overseeing military training schools that include Azov militiamen; and perhaps most shocking a Ukrainian media interview which featured a former Israeli army officer who admitted to participating in battles in eastern Ukraine while also training militiamen.

    There’s also of course the fact that Azov Battalion itself has never been shy about showing of its Israeli military hardware in social media photographs and videos.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/major-israeli-daily-our-government-arming-neo-nazis-ukraine
    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/babi-yar

  250. geokat62 says:
    @A123

    Having stupid enemies is much better than having clever ones.” unknown Sergeant

    Must have been an unknown Sergeant from the IOF spewing this hasbara for the benefit of The Dumb Goyim.

    And your job, A123, is to keep The Dumb Goyim as fast asleep as possible?

    Not going to work. With each and every passing day, more and more dumb goyim are waking up to the realization of who has been actively engaging in the destruction of their homelands, just as the Rabbi David Bar-Hayim admitted in his video. For every dumb goyim you and your side put back to sleep, 50-100 wake up from the slumber they were placed in.

    How long before we have most normies on our side?

    If you people were truly as clever as you think, you would shut down this operation before things get very ugly.

    So, my dumb goy advice, for the umpteen time, SHUT IT DOWN!

    • Replies: @A123
  251. @annamaria

    Go to Zero Hedge dot com and read the comments posted about Richard Haass Assess article that you mention. https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2018-12-11/how-world-order-ends.

  252. Realist says:
    @anon

    He is truly a bullshiter.

  253. Realist says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Who has not done what ?

    Trump has not pulled out of Syria.

    Is Turkey still a NATO member in present politics ?

    Yes, legally.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  254. @ChuckOrloski

    Hi Chuck. Did Trump ever address the apparent ‘free fall’ of Blg. 7? That is surely one of the most mysterious anomalies of 911.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  255. RobinG says:
    @anonymoys

    LOL. Should……. should ……. should ….

    You and that jackass Russell Brand. What do you hope to accomplish? If you and your bubble-buddies stay home, who’s gonna notice? You’ll be another blip for the talking heads to discuss, like “Hillary lost because the Blacks stayed home.”

    Great strategy. The machine will crank on, and you’ll be dust in the corner, “zighing,” maybe wearing a belligerent T-shirt. Meanwhile, the Femi-Nazis may be running things.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anonymoys
  256. RobinG says:
    @AnonFromTN

    nobody is as blind as someone who refuses to see

    The whole point of trolling is to bait you into pointless argument.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  257. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    maybe wearing a belligerent T-shirt

    Like the GDL, I suppose? I happen to think there is some merit in boycotting the kabuki that are present-day elections. Why bother giving them the imprimatur of legitimacy they don’t deserve. If say only 20% or less of the eligible voters were to cast a vote, the establishment would have a massive problem of legitimacy.

    Why bother continuing to participate in the Pepsi-Coke charade? It makes no sense.

    Our slogan should be: No more sham democracy, we want direct democracy!

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  258. @RobinG

    You might be right, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. That does not include proven trolls and boneheads. We’ll see whether I need to expand the list of either.

    • Replies: @A123
  259. A123 says:
    @geokat62

    Wow!

    More Taqiyya hysteria. The Truth must be hitting nerves among Islamic National Socialists bent on starting WW III.

    For those unfamiliar with the Muslim non-stop attempts to deceive and conquer infidels (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, etc.) known as Taqiyya, there is a primer here:

    http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-the-name-of-islam/islam-permits-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri~print.shtml

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @anon
  260. @Realist

    Politics, one may say, the opposite of legal

  261. geokat62 says:
    @A123

    Wow!

    More Taqiyya hysteria.

    More like Dumb Goyim hysteria… get used to it.

    The Truth must be hitting nerves among Islamic National Socialists bent on starting WW III.

    You must be referring to Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Bill Browder, and the neocons. They’re the ones hell bent on goading the evil Ruskiies into WWIII, not us Dumb Goyim.

    For those unfamiliar with the Muslim non-stop attempts to deceive and conquer infidels

    LOL, what chutzpah! A hasbara agent from the MFA warning The Dumb Goyim not to be taken in by those deceptive Muzzies. You guys wrote the book on deception. That’s why the Muslims are light-years behind… they’re having difficulty translating the Hebrew into Arabic!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  262. @mark green

    Mark Green inquired: “Hi Chuck. Did Trump ever address the apparent ‘free fall’ of Blg. 7? That is surely one of the most mysterious anomalies of 911.”

    Hey Mark!

    Am certain ambitious Trump only spoke privately about WTC-7 “free fall,” but my basic instinct signals he had capability to communicate with NYC colleague owner, Larry Silverstein, & at minimum, offer either offer condolences or insurance coverage congratulation$.

    Nonetheless, there was (!) accessible You Tube video showing an immediate post-9/11 clip of Donald Trump and his building engineer engaged in brief Ground Zero-based conversation as to how incredulous it was for airplane crashes into WTC-Towers (& pursuant fires) managed to collapse Tower’s into their footprints.

    Presently, fyr, the best so-so, blah-blah interview I can access is linked below. In addition, UR Comment Research Specialist, geokat, may tune into our exchange & ideally resurrect the M.I.A. hot-potato video under discussion. Thanks a lot, Mark Green!

    • Replies: @RobinG
  263. A123 says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The hardest part is telling the Trolls from the Troll-baiters. It is really hard to resist baiting Trolls like geokat (see 265 above). So, I have to plead guilty to a certain amount of baiting.

    I’ve tried to give more thoughtful long form replies to the open minded where possible.

    A large number of people try to portray the U.S. as monolithic. And, it did feel that way when both parties were serving Soros/UN/Globalist values. However, that is no longer true. Trump is the first serious chance that the Citizens of the U.S. have had in decades to break out that trap. We finally have a voice for Christian Populism uncontaminated by the Political Correctness of National Socialism that doomed prior ‘Main Street’ movements.

    Being honest, it is not be the smoothest voice at this point. Working around National Socialist contaminated media outlets requires loud, bold, and simple messages that are difficult to twist. Unfortunately, that necessary simplicity strips the message of nuance, subtly, and detail needed to fill out the whole picture. Hopefully 6 years from now the next Christian Populist candidate will have a higher quality media to deal with. But, I’m not holding my breath.

    _____

    P.S. For various technical reasons once threads reach about 300 or so responses, my system will not render the page effectively anymore, so odds are this will be my final post under this heading.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  264. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    antikriegTV

    Explosiv: Donald Trump Interview am 11. September 2001 – Investigate 9/11

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  265. Anon[121] • Disclaimer says:

    Warwhores

  266. @A123

    I do hope you are right about Trump, although in the first two years he did precious little of what he promised as a candidate. Adding more dough to the MIC pigs’ trough looks very bad.

    Still, the hysterics in the media suggest that he was not chosen by the Deep State and Hasbara. This is a good sign. I hope our country won’t go with the preferences of this traitorous scum ever again. At least more and more people are coming to the correct conclusion that everything mainstream MSM say is a lie, so if they badmouth something or someone, that’s what the people should support. I am not holding my breath, either.

    I hope you had Merry Christmas (if you are a Catholic or Protestant) or will have Merry Christmas (if you are an Orthodox Christian) and will have a Happy New Year.

    • Replies: @JLK
  267. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Since this was not ratified in Congress and Senate, it may seem to be the case that its not treaty . But putting sanctions on other nation is not also treaty .that Iran or nay other country has to abide by . Sanction is imposed through UN. USA can decide to impose sanction on other countries by going to Congress and Senate . Other countries don’t have to abide by.
    Other countries abide by when it is through UN. Other countries also abide by the same UN members decisions when those members come and say that we have negotiated a deal with Iran which stipulate removal of certain sanction.

    By the way, since UNSC did not vote and only General Assembly voted for the creation of Israel, it should not be a violation of law to organize sanction , start divestment and prevent flying anybody on Israel passport.
    creation of Israel was not ratified.
    Since the 1947 Nov, it has been proven that members countries were bullied and bribed into supporting General assembly and US leader Truman was threatened and attempted for bribe by the Jewas, Israel should be declared an illegal entity .

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @APilgrim
  268. @geokat62

    I am disappointed by the declining standard of Hasbara that HQ is sending our way these days. You were right in saying that Sam Shama is (almost) missed. At least his arguments came from a degree of reason and literacy that this current stock of propagandists can’t even begin to approach. I am trying really hard not to respond to them, but sometimes it is hard to resist the temptation to smack down such substandard commentary.

    Ugh!

  269. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    More shocking details were revealed today, as the Russian Ministry of Defense confirmed that the IDF jets flew in to firing position – just as two civilian passenger airliners were in the air preparing for their landings into both Beirut and Damascus airports.
    As a result, Syrian military defense units did not deploy its surface-to-air missiles and electronic jamming “to prevent a tragedy” and instead allowed Damascus air traffic control divert one of its passenger flights to an emergency destination at Khmeimim in Latakia.
    Israel’s IDF would have been fully aware of these passenger airline flights, and therefore would have specifically chosen this exact position and timing in order to carry out their air operation against Syria. Based on this, one can logically conclude then that the IDF placed those civilian flight in danger, and that the Israeli military used those civilian airline flights as cover to increase their odds of executing a successful military airstrike.

    https://21stcenturywire.com/2018/12/26/revealed-israels-idf-used-passenger-airliners-as-cover-during-christmas-day-attack-on-damascus/

    A pathetic shithole country that’s needs to be destroyed for the protection of the rest.

  270. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    No he is not right Rest of the world doesn’t have to abide by the decision of US Congress paid and bought by some Jews.
    Let US put put sanction but don’t ask Syria or Turkey or Iraq or Russia or India to obey it .

  271. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    ran as setting the standard for credibility? Their violence, weapons programs, and attempts to destabilize the region, started this mess in the first place. As a perspective, it is the one most geared to starting ”

    Your colon cleaning med seem to be working very well. Did you buy it again from same shop set up by OSP , PNAC FDD, JINSA and Stand with Israel ?

  272. @A123

    Your obvious blindness has already been pointed out too you by commenters who, unlike yourself, do have credibility here. You should stop the masturbation immediately, though it’s likely that it’s much too late for you, try anyway.

  273. @RobinG

    Hey RobinG!

    Great work on finding the video clip which I could not.

    My wish is for all U.R. commenters to watch it because they shall experience non-politician Donald Trump’s practical “straight talk.”

    Appreciate this very much, RobinG. Thank you!

  274. JLK says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Still, the hysterics in the media suggest that he was not chosen by the Deep State and Hasbara. This is a good sign.

    It’s not a good sign that he was on-script to the effect that that other buildings in the area were weakened and might fall in the #270 video.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @RobinG
  275. @ChuckOrloski

    I have hunch that, & given “endgame time,” the elite Zionist Central Command would inevitably destroy one another.

    I think this is the best we can hope for. Fortunately and mercifully, it’s practically a given. I wish ’em godspeed.

  276. @anon

    Since the 1947 Nov, it has been proven that members countries were bullied and bribed into supporting General assembly and US leader Truman was threatened and attempted for bribe by the Jewas, Israel should be declared an illegal entity .

    I like the way you think.

  277. @Cloak And Dagger

    I am disappointed by the declining standard of Hasbara that HQ is sending our way these days.

    I agree. It used to be fun to out-mock the mocking fools, experience their smug self-destruction, their irresistible urges to reveal themselves for the pathologic goons that they are and their pathetic, juvenile, inconsistent and writhing attempts to justify the unjustifiable. They have declined markedly in both quantity and quality over the past few months and I doubt that they’ll be back, which I feel is too bad.

    May they rot in the everlasting inferno.

  278. @Cloak And Dagger

    At least his arguments came from a degree of reason and literacy that this current stock of propagandists can’t even begin to approach. I am trying really hard not to respond to them, but sometimes it is hard to resist the temptation to smack down such substandard commentary.

    I agree. Some aren’t even worth mocking or even responding to for that matter.

  279. @JLK

    Of course, he is not very good (good people avoid politics), but he is better than corrupt mad witch. That’s kind of easy, though, sets the bar really low.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  280. @anon

    What else is new? IDF never gave a hoot about civilians.

  281. @anon

    A pathetic shithole country that’s needs to be destroyed for the protection of the rest.

    Most folks would be quite surprised at the resistance of Jews themselves to the Zionist thug homeland project in Palestine both initially and currently.

    One of many excellent sources of info on that claim can be found in the excellent work,

    Wrestling With Zion: Progressive Jewish-American Responses to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
    by Tony Kushner Alisa Solomon

    http://www.downloadbooks.live/list/92253/books-s1s11744919s-1ss2sbb2b64bes-2s#

    Full disclosure: I have no financial interest in the book.

  282. @AnonFromTN

    Key concept:

    good people avoid politics

    Corollary: Never trust anyone in a position of power.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  283. RobinG says:
    @JLK

    Yes, good that you caught that. (Some people have selective hearing.)

    Also, his suggestion that there were bombs that went off on impact is right out there with the magic ray weapon. This ain’t my thing, at all, but is there other discussion about how the plane was able to penetrate the steel exoskeleton?

    Sad that so many pin their hopes on some fantastic 911 revelation, meanwhile shirk from using available tools in the present. They might as well tune out with Q.

  284. annamaria says:
    @anon

    The US zionized military has created two new bases on Syrian border: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-builds-two-military-bases-along-syrian-border-map/

    Scores of U.S. soldiers are currently stationed at the two bases, along with drones and other equipment

    Colonel W. Patrick Lang:

    The generals’ club is probably at work in this, seeking to limit the effect of Trump’s order for US forces to withdraw from Syria.

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/httpswwwalmasdarnewscomarticleus-builds-two-military-bases-along-syrian-border-map.html#disqus_thread

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  285. @jacques sheete

    Your astute, and frequently witty comments have been sorely missed on this forum. It is great to see your posts again.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  286. APilgrim says:
    @anon

    Western Civilization rejected the Stone-Age Muhammadans, from the very beginning. The Violent Muhammadans attacked every world civilization in every direction. Western Europe, Russia, Japan, Korea, & China repelled militarily repelled the Expansionist Muhammadans. The Stealthy-LYING Muhammadans have ingratiated their way BACK INTO much of Western Civilization, including the Americas.

    It is time to AGAIN expel ALL the Muhammadans from every civilization. Drive them into their caliphates and then kill them all. The USA & Russia do not now, and shall never again NEED Muhammadan O&G. Neither do America or Russia NEED Muhammadan lands. So those prizes can be our bargaining chips, with China & Europe who do need Muhammadan O&G & Lands.

    Incidentally, neither does Israel need Muhammadan O&G, but the Jews do need the lands.

    • Troll: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @anon
    , @annamaria
  287. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    You are a pathetic incestuous product of an orgy .

    Who have been expelled so many times ? Cabal orgy organizers.

  288. @jacques sheete

    Thank you my friend. I’ve been so busy that I have no time to think, let alone surf even a site as fine as UR and to read its many fine commenters as exemplified by you. I don’t yet see much light at the end of the tunnel, but I have not abandoned the site or the cause and look forward to the time when I can participate regularly again.

    Bless you and the rest of the good “guys.”

    • Replies: @L.K
  289. @annamaria

    Your comments are gem grade and this is right up there with the best. Thanks for confirming what was to be expected.

    One simply has no basis for trusting the goons in power and for me, it’s variously amusing and exhausting.

  290. anonymoys says:
    @AnonFromTN

    “Can you provide any links to support your assertion?”

    Facts on the ground.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  291. anonymoys says:
    @geokat62

    “we want direct democracy!”

    Direct democracy is impossible. Semi-direct democracy works and works very well.

    One of the most civilized country in the world- Switzerland- has a semi-direct system.

  292. wayfarer says:
    @anon

    … IDF jets flew into firing position – just as two civilian passenger airliners were in the air preparing for their landings into both Beirut and Damascus airports.

    Israel, the chickenshit nation.
    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Boy

  293. anonymoys says:
    @RobinG

    Definition of Insanity : doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

  294. @jacques sheete

    Good conclusion, 100% valid. Tell you what, I don’t trust even local sheriff, let alone Trump or Putin.

  295. @anonymoys

    Seething rage of Israelis and their puppets in the US say otherwise.

  296. anonymoys says:
    @jilles dykstra

    “Putin is in Syria while if Syria falls, Iran will fall, and Russia is next.”

    Nonsense.

    Putin is in Syria because that is the role Russia was told to play.

    If Russia was an independent country, we would know. The new Czar has been in power more than 20 years.

    If Russia can allow Ukraine to be governed by nazis, certainly she can allow Syria to fall.

    • Replies: @JLK
    , @APilgrim
  297. dcite says:
    @Anonymous

    In what alt-left-right-center universe is he a fraud? He has been attacked relentlessly like no other president I have ever known of. He has been targeted for assassination so many times, if attempts were darts, he’d be a sieve. “Comedians” parade around with his paper-mache bloody head and expect to be admired for it. If he walked on water, the MSM would report “Trump can’t swim.”
    He lowers taxes, improves prospects for small business, brings industry back to this country after we were sold out–or at least he tries to bring it back. At least he advocates for the citizens here, and not the rest of the world first. He negotiated nuclear war imminence out of NK (how quickly anti-Trumpers forget if they are forced to acknowledge it at all.) He has commenced the wall, and a vet who lost 3 limbs, Kolfage, has raised over 20 million to build the wall last I saw, to build the wall. No president’s policies in the past 50 years, have actually inspired people to feel positively about this country.
    And you think he is some kind of fraud? What is your definition of someone trying to do the job he was elected for?

    • Replies: @anonymoys
    , @RobinG
  298. JLK says:
    @anonymoys

    Putin is in Syria because that is the role Russia was told to play. If Russia was an independent country, we would know. The new Czar has been in power more than 20 years.

    There’s probably more truth in this than people realize, but it could all change once Russia has the hypersonic missiles deployed in a few years.

    They’re not going to attack us when that happens, but there’s 25 years of propaganda and economic overreach they may feel freer to expose to our great embarrassment.

  299. annamaria says:
    @APilgrim

    Shoah biz going bust: https://southfront.org/russian-mod-israeli-air-force-used-landing-of-two-civilian-planes-as-cover-for-airstrikes/
    “The Israeli Air Force (IAF) carried out its recent airstrikes in Syria when two civilians planes were landing in Beirut and Damascus, putting passengers at risk.”
    Commenst:

    1. Endangering innocent women and children on a civilian aircraft while conducting an unprovoked sneak attack….on CHRISTMAS! Is it possible to get any lower than this?

    2. “Is it possible to get any lower than this?”
    I am sure the Israeli Jews will find a way to sink lower.

    Enjoy public opinion, APilgrim

  300. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump did tweet this a couple hours ago

    Brad Blakeman: “The American people understand that we have been played by foreign actors who would rather have us fight their battles for them. The President says look, this is your neighborhood, you’ve got to stand up to protect yourselves. Don’t always look to America.”

    .

    LOL.
    Some rare men value their dignity more than their convenience and comfort: too bad they’re the rarest of specimens.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  301. Anon[300] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    I wouldn’t have quoted the first of the two comments: limiting its concern to “women and children” its author goes lower than anybody it seeks to criticize may have gone.

  302. anonymoys says:
    @dcite

    “And you think he is some kind of fraud?”

    I don’t think he is “some kind of fraud”. I’m sure he’s 100% a fraud. I’ve already explained why (see 185).

    You can’t be elected to the most “powerful” office in the world w/o accepting to serve the real master of the american people – the zio-mafia.

    Trump not only accepts to serve the devil but he belongs to the family. Of course everyone he’s free to serve the devil: there are lots of advantages(material) in doing so. You can even end up being the most “powerful” man in the world.

    And of course the zio-mafia isn’t stupid. It’s in their own interest that material conditions of the proles that their poodles (Trump, Putin, Merkel, Macron) supposedly serve, are the best possible.

    USA is still one of the richest country in the world. Trump can even get his wall. Obama got his health care “reform”.

    But I’m afraid that doesn’t change the FACT that all american presidents since JFK are a fraud because presidents are elected to serve their people and not a foreign power.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  303. APilgrim says:
    @annamaria

    Aim fine, miss fine.

    If you God-Damned Muhammadans can’t select your targets, then don’t shoot.

    Or do shoot. It is your call, and I don’t care.

    • Troll: L.K
  304. RobinG says:
    @annamaria

    May I suggest calling in to Washington Journal, 7am-10am on CSPAN, (or any talk show you can, but CSPAN doesn’t screen calls)

    to expand public exposure to these facts …………. because the MSM is barely reporting the attack, much less that the Israelis used human shields.

  305. APilgrim says:
    @anonymoys

    We can easily determine the INDEPENDENT Nations. They are so obviously despised by Globalists.

    USA, Russia, Australia, Hungary, Israel, Iran …

    ChiCOMS & Switzerland are strangely exempt from Globalist criticisms.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  306. L.K says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey, Jacques,

    Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you and your family.

    Is there a way to get in touch with you? Maybe I could leave an email address around?

    If not, that is okay.

    Take care

  307. annamaria says:
    @APilgrim

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-27/who-was-secretly-behind-americas-invading-and-occupying-syria
    US has organized and financed mass murder of Syrians (including Syrian Christians):

    The invasion and occupation of Syria by tens of thousands of jihadists who were recruited from around the world to overthrow Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad, was financed mainly by US taxpayers and by the Sauds, who own Saudi Arabia and the world’s largest oil company, Aramco.

    America’s international oil companies and major think tanks and ‘charitable’ foundations were also supportive and providing propaganda for the operation…

    The zionized CIA and Obama the war-criminal:

    In late 2012, David H. Petraeus, then the C.I.A. director .. chastised intelligence officials of several gulf nations for sending arms into Syria without coordinating with one another or with C.I.A. officers in Jordan and Turkey. Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the C.I.A. to begin directly arming and training the rebels from a base in Jordan…

    In December 2014, Henry Kravis [a Jewish billionaire] created his own Intelligence agency, the KKR Global Institute. He nominated at its head the ex-Director of the CIA, General David Petraeus. With the Kravis couple’s private funds (the KKR investment funds), and without referring to Congress, Petraeus pursued operation «Timber Sycamore» which had been initiated by President Barack Obama. This was the largest weapons traffic in History, implicating at least 17 states and representing many thousands of tons of weapons worth several billion dollars. As such, Kravis and Petraeus became the main suppliers for Daesh.

    In addition,

    The Governments of US, UAE, Qatar, and mainly Saudi Arabia, are financing and overseeing a multibillion-dollar privately operated weapons-smuggling operation to Sunni jihadist groups such as Al Qaeda in Africa, the Middle East, Pakistan, and Asia.

    The arms transported to Afghanistan were delivered to the Talibans, under the control of the US, which is pretending to fight them.

    This is a quite curious “war on terra,” which has been run for the mega-war profiteers in the US, UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, and in accordance with the Jewish State’s desires as formulated in Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  308. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    ??? What’s your purpose for posting Trump’s tweet, or your cryptic comment? Do you imagine Trump was tweeting about MbS and Bibi? Or was he referring to the beleaguered citizens of Syria, as if the US was ever defending them? It’s CMA, twisted BS for ignorant consumption, no matter haw you read it. Will he pull out 2000 soldiers, only to leave behind a larger force of mercenaries?

    The only dignified people in that neighborhood are Bashar Assad, Hassan Nasrallah, the Iranians…

  309. @annamaria

    Enjoy public opinion, APilgrim

    He is on my blocked list annamaria. I try not to engage obvious trolls (not always successfully):

  310. Slightly OT – I read this on another site:

    Plus every ‘holocaust survivor’, around 9 million Jews currently, since all children and grandchildren of even a Jew who was living in a town that was occupied by German troops during WWII for even one day, long before their children and grandchildren were even born, are named as holocaust ‘survivors’, and each of those lazy vindictive blood-sucking parasites now automatically get an initial lump sum of $35,000 and an additional $2,000 a month in perpetuity thereafter for the rest of their lives along with that, and lifelong free medical healthcare on top of that

    Can anyone confirm if it is true? A link to a confirming site would be appreciated.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  311. APilgrim says:
    @annamaria

    Agreed, the Kenya-Born, Crypto-Muslim, former Resident Barack Hussein Soetoro Obama & former SOS Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, joined with Manchurian Candidate John Sydney McCain, to sponsor ISIS.

    Presidents Trump & Putin then exterminated ISIS.

  312. RobinG says:
    @dcite

    Yup, and now he’s making the Zios nervous –

    @Martin_Indyk

    Trump: “We give Israel billions of dollars, they’ll be okay.” This cavalier attitude is deeply worrying. Ignores the role of US as force multiplier for Israeli deterrence. From here it’s a short step to Trump asking: why are we giving Israel so much money?

    https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-trump-on-syria-withdrawal-we-give-israel-billions-of-dollars-they-ll-be-ok-1.6785878

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  313. APilgrim says:

    Has President Trump REVIVED the W-70 warhead & similar devices? Neutron Bombs, originally designed by physicist Samuel Theodore Cohen, are ‘tailor-made’ for Islamic Caliphates. Tehran today remains, while Al-Raqqah and Hajin Syria recently represented PRIME targets. For similar sized (small) ‘Ground-Zero’ blasts …

    Fission — Neutron – Effects
    50% —– 40% ——— blast
    35% —– 25% ——— thermal radiation (heat)
    10% —– 05% ——— residual radiation (fallout)
    05% —– 30% ——— prompt radiation (gamma, neutrons, X-ray)

    Candidate Donald Trump discussed reviving such vital weapons systems. And President Trump has been implementing MOST of his campaign promises.

  314. @JLK

    Stay tuned.

    Correct.

    What’s being ballyhooed is most certainly bogus. The fine print and subsequent delivery are what count.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @gsjackson
  315. APilgrim says:

    Kurdistan is probably our most reliable, and possibly our only ally in the region.

    It would be a shame, if we have NOTHING to show for all that tragedy & expense.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @anonymous
    , @anon
  316. @Wally

    I always laugh when I see peace sign bumper stickers next to Obama and / or Hillary stickers.

    I deploy the barf bags in similar situations. If this is true, then you should have a great laugh…

    WASHINGTON, D.C. — For the first time in 17 years, a woman other than Hillary Clinton has been named by Americans as the woman they admire most. Former first lady Michelle Obama, who finished second to Clinton three times…

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/245669/michelle-obama-ends-hillary-clinton-run-admired.aspx

    For me it’s more proof that this country has long been toast despite the fact that Gallup has about as much credibility as the Orange Goof and the rest of the vicious clowns.

  317. @Cloak And Dagger

    I have no info on your claim which is most likely true, but you may be interested in this info.:

    The United States Congress passed legislation in May 2001 exempting Holocaust survivors and their heirs from federal taxes on compensation and restitution payments received …
    The Claims Conference assisted Senator Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) in drafting the legislation.
    http://www.claimscon.org/?url=tax_exemptions

    All Holocaust compensation and restitution payments are protected by 1994 federal legislation that excludes them from calculations relating to eligibility for federal benefits. The legislation (h.r. 1873 or public law 103-286) stated that payments made to individuals because of their status as victims of Nazi persecution are to be excluded from income and resources in determining both eligibility for and the amount of benefits or services to be provided under any Federal or federally assisted program which provides benefits or services based on need such as, but not limited to, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, food stamps and Federally subsidized Housing programs.

    http://www.claimscon.org/?url=payments_benefits

    Now we know what it means to be one of the poysekyooted “Chosen” ones.

  318. @anonymoys

    But I’m afraid that doesn’t change the FACT that all american presidents since JFK are a fraud because presidents are elected to serve their people and not a foreign power.

    Your excellent fraud comments are on target as far as they go, but may I add that US presidents consistently been frauds for other reasons as well. You may want to look up the two particularly dastardly dictators, “honest” Abe Lincoln, and Stalin’s pal, FDR the Commie sympathizer, appeaser and supporter for starters. It’s also important to note that every one of them, from G. Washington on, has served the controlling plutocracy of the time despite their fraudulent rhetoric about serving the interests of the masses.

    I have said elsewhere, disparagingly, something about the popular rage against combined capital, corporations, corners, selling futures, etc. The popular rage is not without reason, but it is sadly misdirected, and the real things which deserve attack are thriving all the time. The greatest social evil with which we have to contend is jobbery… Jobbery is any scheme which aims to gain, not by the legitimate fruits of industry and enterprise, but by extorting from somebody a part of his product under guise of some pretended industrial undertaking… Jobbery is the vice [262] of plutocracy, and it is the especial form under which plutocracy corrupts a democratic and republican form of government. The United States is deeply afflicted with it, and the problem of civil liberty here is to conquer it.

    – William Graham Sumner, (1884)

    As quoted in, William Graham Sumner, War and Other Essays, ed. Albert Galloway Keller (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1919). 12/28/2018. https://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/345#Sumner_0255_299 .

    Trumps claims of wanting US troops out of Syria will no doubt prove to be utterly fraudulent.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @anonymoys
  319. Note to UR technicians.

    I tried twice to insert the word “have” in this remark, but the “edit” function failed both times till the time ran out.

    …but may I add that US presidents have consistently been frauds for other reasons as well.

  320. @jacques sheete

    Wisdom be attentive, a J.S. advisory: “Trumps claims of wanting US troops out of Syria will no doubt prove to be utterly fraudulent.”

    Broken Scranton greetings, Jacques Sheete!

    As you’re aware, the ZUSA does not show any documentable respect for any Middle East country, except of course for Israel and global gas station, Saudi Arabia.

    Below, fyr, is an example of ZUS narcissist hubris acted out on Christmas Day & for the dismayed world’s viewing.

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/28/584150/Iraq-Trump-

    (Zigh) W. Bush’s “liberated” Baghdad apparently rejoiced after PreZident Trump & Melania departed Anbar and withdrew to D.C.

    Can imagine how the brave & angry Iraqi journalist exhaled, said to self, “Good riddance, and don’t let shoes hit you in the ass!”

    Thanks, Jacques, and a warm welcome back. U.R. Comments needs You!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  321. anonymoys says:
    @jacques sheete

    Thank you for reminding us that the “tradition” of electing “frauds” pretending to be men interested in defending american people’s interests didn’t start after JFK assassination.

    Thank you for your kind words.

  322. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    [For those who want peace… The goal is just the opposite. De-coupling Iran and Syria, so the relatively peaceful Syrian/Russian grouping can come back. Iran falls, both Syria and Russia prosper.]

    Anyone with two brain cells knows A123 is a zionist troll. Don’t engage with this criminal.

    A123 is a zionist troll, troll, troll. Get lost immediately

  323. APilgrim says:

    President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has converted Turkey into an Islamic Caliphate. He can now add Caliph to his titles.

    I favor Nuking Islamic Caliphate Capitol Cities, such as: Tehran, Ankara, Al Raqqah, and anywhere else they may form.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  324. @APilgrim

    A little problem: there is no Kurdistan, and never will be.

  325. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    shut up zionist. Your “greater Israel” is in its grave so YOU.

    The traitor kurd must be put on trial and executed for their treason against the population of the region. They cooperated with the enemy all along. They are TRAITORS.

    Everyone must read, “Open Secret” by Israel Shahak, and his translation of “Israel strategy in the 1980s” to know that these criminal wars where waged by Jewish Mafia and its stooges, in part, is according to Jewish Mafia play book and criminal zionist Jewish necons.

    Expose the kurd as pawns of US/Israel against the people of the region now.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  326. @anonymous

    In many ways Kurdish politicians are like an aging prostitute in search of clients. Kurdish people are a different story altogether. I hope you don’t equate the scum in DC with the American people.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  327. @jacques sheete

    There is the matter of who is going to pay for reconstruction of Syria.

    In appearances before US House and Senate committees former US ambassador to Turkey James Jeffrey has been pleased to boast that “no one will pay for the reconstruction of Syria.”
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?438562-1/ambassadors-testify-us-strategy-middle-east

    and

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?455146-1/ambassador-jeffrey-testifies-trump-administrations-response-syrian-refugee-crisis

    One year ago NY Representative and dual-loyalist Eliot Engel introduced legislation that stated,

    “It is estimated that the reconstruction of Syria could cost between $200 and $350 billion.”

    but declared as United States policy that

    ” United States foreign assistance made available for early recovery, reconstruction, or stabilization in Syria should be used only in a democratic Syria or in areas of Syria not controlled by a government led by Bashar al-Assad or associated forces”.

    The bill, HR 4681, was referred to the Senate in April 2018.

    HR 4681 observed that the Chinese had pledged reconstruction aid to Assad’s Syria.

    Therefore, the news reported on PressTV that, featuring an Syrian-American journalist speaking from Beirut, that United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Bahrain have re-opened their embassies in Damascus, diplomatic moves that signal the willingness of Arab states to participate in the reconstruction of Syria, is a dramatic turnabout.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=CdaQeOo7AvI

    Any bets on who will be first to publish, “Who Lost Syria?”

  328. anonymous[204] • Disclaimer says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t.

    I said: ‘kurdish traitors’ who usually are Kurdish corrupt ‘leaders’, like corrupt Arab leaders. Mostapha Barzani, Masoud Barzani’s father, once said:

    “I want ‘kurdistan’ to become the 51st US state” and since then they have done a lot of damage.
    And also we know what was the Jewish Mafia plan for the region, divide and rule, for erection of ‘greater Israel’ according to Oded Yinon. This plan was exposed by Israel Shahak to the world.
    The traitor kurds have been spying for Israel against the interest of the regional states, for over 60 years.

    Kurdish leaders are opportunists and traitors using the population to make themselves RICH. While the kurdish teachers are starving, current kurdish leaders and their agents are making themselves rich by stealing the stolen OIL money from Iraq and ship it to Israel and buying REAL ESTATE in the west to be safe when the kurds find out how these corrupt ‘leaders’ deceived them.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  329. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    nobody’s buying your bullshit

    better select another handle and try again and next time be a little less obvious

  330. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    It would be a shame, if we have NOTHING to show for all that tragedy & expense.

    lol, “we”

    sounds like you should go over there and volunteer, and take a bunch of fellow hooknoses with you

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  331. annamaria says:

    “Chris Hedges and Seymour Hersh on the Whorehouse Called the US Media”
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/12/28/chris-hedges-and-seymour-hersh-on-the-whorehouse-called-the-us-media/?

    On the ever dishonest and sycophantic Sulzberger’ family (of The New York Times bad reputation):

    The Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal was held in 1967 in Europe during the Vietnam War. It included the testimony of three American soldiers who spoke of watching soldiers and Marines routinely pump indiscriminate rounds of ammunition into villages with no regard for civilian casualties. Most of the American press dismissed the findings of the tribunal. The Times foreign affairs columnist, C.L. Sulzberger, launched a venomous attack against the Noble Prize-winning philosopher and mathematician, who was then 94 years old. Sulzberger, a member of the family that owned the paper, wrote that Russell had “outlived his own conscious idea and become clay in unscrupulous hands.” The tribunal, Sulzberger went on, “cannot fairly be laid at the door of the wasted peer whose bodily endurance outpaced his brain.”
    Hersh, however, tipped off by the testimony at the tribunal, eventually uncovered the My Lai massacre.

    The defamer of the formerly decent New Yorker and avid Russophobe and sycophant Remnick:

    David Remnick, the magazine’s editor, socialized with Obama and was apparently wary of offending the president. When Hersh exposed the fictitious narrative spun out by the Obama administration about the killing of Bin Laden, the magazine killed the story, running instead a report provided by the administration…

    The whorehouse of the US MSM, including the miserable presstitutes at The New York Times and New Yorker, versus real mensch:

    This government persecution [of truth tellers] has, by default, left the exposure of government lies, fraud and crimes to hackers. And this is the reason hackers, and those who publish their material such as Julian Assange at WikiLeaks, are relentlessly persecuted. The goal of the corporate state is to hermetically seal their activities, especially those that violate the law, from outside oversight or observation. And this goal is very far advanced.

  332. @RobinG

    That’s the first time I have heard a president declare that we give a lot of money to Israel. Hopefully, someone will pick up on it and demand that we redirect it to domestic use.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  333. @SolontoCroesus

    There is the matter of who is going to pay for reconstruction of Syria.

    Good to see you back S2C! Happy New Year!

    I have a feeling that European nations will pay for rebuilding Syria, if only to be able to deport the refugees back to that nation. The main culprits, US/Israel won’t contribute a thin dime.

    • Replies: @Garreth Smith
  334. @Cloak And Dagger

    Thanks for the good wishes, Cloak and Dagger, and Happy New Year/ Happy Feast of Epiphany to you. It’s always good to read your thoughtful comments.

    One approach Unz commentariat might consider is to create data bases of those congressmen who are (irrationally) beholden to Israel. C Span provides one facility to find out who those critters are.

    Consider, for example, this exchange with Oklahoma representative Tom Cole in a recent appearance on C Span Washington Journal: ( at 15 min)

    caller question: “Answer me this question: Every year we give Israel $4billion or $5 billion for their security. . . . The only congressman that opposed [Israel’s latest Get] that I know of is Rand Paul. So tell me how you justify giving Israel $38 billion, and tell me what they do for the security of the United States.”

    Cole: . . . We get quite a bit. First of all, we had peace in the Middle East. We helped the Egyptians as well. War in the Middle East is expensive for the United States because of the risk to our lives and security because it helps breed terrorism and pushes up the price of oil.

    In addition to that, Israel has been a remarkable — has a remarkable record of intelligence cooperation with the United States. It helps us in terms of identifying terrorism. We work with them on developing anti-ballistic missile and anti-rocket systems in tandem. They’ve been an important strategic ally of the United States for a long time. This is an investment that, interestingly enough, presidents of both parties, including President Trump, have supported it. It doesn’t matter who is in control of Congress, I think because the facts are pretty overwhelming when you sit down and look at them. This has been in the long-term interest of the United States; been a good investment.”


    I’d parse Cole’s explanation but my head has exploded.

    Nevertheless, the caller’s question and challenge to the congressman provides a model that Unz activists might consider repeating. And repeating and repeating.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  335. How obvious that US was not fighting ISIS!

  336. @Cloak And Dagger

    Happy New Year to All!

    Well the good news for the year is that USA has already pulled back from Manbij, Syria and the void left there by USA is already filled by Assad forces to the dismay of Erdogan:

    Scrap over Manbij opens door for Russia and Assad’s troops to take control of NE. Syria
    Dec 28, 2018 @ 19:38 10
    One of Bashar Assad’s best weeks in years – and one of Tayyip Erdogan’s worst – peaked on Friday, Dec. 28. The US exit from NE Syria announced by President

    https://www.debka.com/scrap-over-manbij-opens-door-for-russia-and-assads-troops-to-take-control-of-ne-syria/

    The best is below:

    One of Bashar Assad’s best weeks in years – and one of Tayyip Erdogan’s worst – peaked on Friday, Dec. 28. The US exit from NE Syria announced by President Donald Trump on Dec. 19 left an irresistible void for multiple forces to close in, even before a single American soldier was actually lifted off Syrian soil.

    I wonder why Debka left our Israel….

    Muhahaha, Muhahaha, Muhahaha ……

  337. RobinG says:
    @anonymous

    Syrian Army ‘raises flag’ in Manbij following plea by civilians to secure city

    “The Kurds and the central government have remained mostly neutral towards each other over the years of the conflict and occasionally allied against jihadist groups. The Manbij maneuver does not make them immediate allies, but with Kurds de facto asking protection from the Syrian government, Damascus now seems in a stronger position to negotiate the degree of autonomy the Kurds would have after the political transition in the country.”
    https://www.rt.com/news/447572-syrian-forces-enter-manbij/

  338. @APilgrim

    Hey A(poplectic) Pilgrim!

    Mindful you are taking an earned beating here, linked below, and fyr, you can take additional discomfort in Brother Nathanael’s comical but all too True-lie, “Dreaming of Mohammed bin Salman.”

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1332

  339. @ChuckOrloski

    Can imagine how the brave & angry Iraqi journalist exhaled, said to self, “Good riddance, and don’t let shoes hit you in the ass!”

    Damn, yer good! I’ll be chuckling about that all day and thanks for the reminder.

  340. @SolontoCroesus

    Now those are comments with content. Superb!

  341. APilgrim says:
    @anon

    Listen, ewe God-Damned Muhammadan,

    I am Choctaw and Lutheran.

    Lots of tribes and religions hate you bacha-bazi, ‎ taqiyyah-lying, head-chopping arsebytes.

    Not just the fvcking Yids.

  342. L.K says:

    The always well informed E. Magnier has a new article out:

    THE SYRIAN ARMY ENTERS MANBIJ AS TRUMP FOLLOWS THROUGH ON WITHDRAWAL: IRAQ IS NEXT by E. Magnier
    https://ejmagnier.com/2018/12/28/the-syrian-army-enters-manbij-as-trump-follows-through-on-withdrawal-iraq-is-next/

    …Russia asked Damascus and Tehran to lay down a strategy and coordinate with the Russian military to put forward a plan of action and a road map after US withdrawal, with the first priority of eliminating ISIS and avoiding any clash with Turkey if possible. The situation was very sensitive and complicated between these allies. With the return of Manbij, the situation seems to favour Syrian unity, marking the end of its partition or of any possible buffer zone.

    Tehran believes the US won’t permanently leave the Levant and Mesopotamia without leaving unrest behind. This gives its officials an additional motivation to lobby the Iraqi parliament for a US withdrawal from Iraq.

    There is no doubt that Iraq is a close ally of Iran and not a fanatic supporter of the US. The Iraqi parliament can exert pressure over the government of Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi to ask President Trump to pull out US troops before the end of his mandate in 2020. The US establishment and the “Axis of the Resistance” can both connive and plan, but the last word will belong to the people of Iraq and to those who reject US hegemony in the Middle East, those who can accept losses and nurse their wounds in hopes of a better future.

  343. annamaria says:

    The ZUSA has been actively promoting the resurrection of Nazism in the Kaganat of Nuland (former Ukraine). More recently, the zionists-supported neo-Nazi/banderites have welcomed and united with the “moderate terrorists” of ISIS: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447536-isis-chechen-islamists-ukraine/
    “Islamic State in Ukraine: A Christmas present from the West,” by George Galloway

    Islamist Chechen fighters who honed their combat skills at Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) training camps are at war against Ukrainian rebels…

    The report in British newspaper the Times, that Chechen Islamists, many reeling from defeat in Syria and Iraq amongst the alphabet soup of fanaticism, had indeed arrived at the war front in eastern Ukraine, woke me up from any Christmas torpor.

    An earlier report in the New York Times had revealed that the Islamist Chechens were under the command of the fascist “Right Sector” and were there to “fight Russians” because “we like fighting Russians” and “will never stop fighting Russians.”

    The Talmudists have been hating Iran for hundreds of years (see a story of the bloody Purim), then they hated Egypt, then it was a turn of Span, Poland, Germany, and, more recently, Russia. — See the role of Jewish bolsheviks in the creation of the Soviet secret police and GULAG and the role of Ukrainian Jewish communists in creating the Holodomor.

    Since the most recent victim of Talmudists was Russia, she suffers the greatest degree of hatred from the “chosenites.”

    The inconvenient truth about Holodomor (Ukrainian genocide): https://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/leaders/lazar-kaganovich/

    In 1925, Kaganovich was sent to his homeland to head the Ukrainian Central Committee of the Communist Party. … His methods included the collectivization of private farms, the expropriation of wheat, and the ruthless arrests of the kulaks. This led to what is known as Holodomor in Ukraine – the massive starvation of millions of people (up to some 7 million by some estimates), which the current Ukrainian government has ruled genocide. …

    He totally replaced the old Tsar era leadership with young Communist activists, many of whom came from Jewish settlements and yearned to break free from the limitations of settlements in the pale. Little by little, Kaganovich earned himself the nickname of “Iron Lazar.” His reputation extending far beyond Ukraine, Kaganovich was soon recalled to work in Moscow.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  344. geokat62 says:
    @annamaria

    Little by little, Kaganovich earned himself the nickname of “Iron Lazar.” His reputation extending far beyond Ukraine, Kaganovich was soon recalled to work in Moscow.

    Given this background, do you think this may have influenced the Kagans to truncate their surname?

  345. @APilgrim

    A(polectic)Pilgrim informed: ‘I am Choctaw and Lutheran.”

    WOW!

    Fyi, Along the Lackawanna River Heritage Trail, archaeologists recently found Original People’s totem pole with the following carving on top!

    LutcHebeO’scrantaw.

    Fyi, you might want to visit the Scranton Courthouse, identify your strange ancestry, and officials might give you “Free Weekday Parking” at Rocky’s Lounge, intersection, Jefferson & Spruce St.

    Uh… good luck & carry concealed heat!

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  346. APilgrim says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    WTF are you talking about?

    LutcHebeO’scrantaw.

    Is this some kinda Goddamned Mormon crap?

  347. @APilgrim

    It’s hard to accept that you are a follower of any earnest religion, unless there’s one called the Moron Church.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  348. APilgrim says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    It is difficult to comprehend you are too ignorant, to know Lutheran Foundational documents, or the history of the Reformation. Introduction to the Book of Concord (AKA Augsburg Confession).

    Preface to the Emperor Charles V.

    1] Most Invincible Emperor, Caesar Augustus, Most Clement Lord: Inasmuch as Your Imperial Majesty has summoned a Diet of the Empire here at Augsburg to deliberate concerning measures against the Turk, that most

    atrocious, hereditary, and ancient enemy of the Christian name and religion

    , in what way, namely, effectually to withstand his furor and assaults by strong and lasting military provision; 2] and then also concerning dissensions in the matter of our holy religion and Christian Faith, that in this matter of religion the opinions and judgments of the parties might be heard in each other’s presence; and considered and weighed 3] among ourselves in mutual charity, leniency, and kindness, in order that, after the removal and correction of such things as have been treated and understood in a different manner in the writings on either side, these matters may be settled and brought back to one simple truth and Christian concord, 4] that for the future one pure and true religion may be embraced and maintained by us, that as we all are under one Christ and do battle under Him, so we may be able also to live in unity and concord in the one Christian Church.

  349. APilgrim says:

    http://bookofconcord.org/augsburgconfession.php

    The Augsburg Confession

    The Confession of Faith which was submitted to His Imperial Majesty Charles V at the Diet of Augsburg in the year 1530 by certain princes and cities.

    Get it dumbass? It is a part of the Lutheran Confession of Faith. It is referenced and/or included in every Lutheran hymnal and book of worship, ever published, in any language.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  350. @APilgrim

    Yes, yes… all well and good, but despite your claims, you are still clearly of the Moron faith as your comments show.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @APilgrim
  351. geokat62 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I’d parse Cole’s explanation but my head has exploded.

    Hey, S2C.

    Clearly, the congressman was not well prepared for this question. I’m sure The Lobby will remedy this situation by arming him with more cogent talking points. They’ll probably take this opportunity to schedule a retraining session for the rest of their reps to upgrade their talking points, as well.

  352. APilgrim says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Martin Luther started the Reformation and his representatives signed the Augsburg Confession.

    As did Holy Roman Emperor Charles V.

    Zwingli also ordered his Baptist representatives to sign the document.

    And subsequently, the Muhammadans were DRIVEN from their realms. And the Reformation, and Counter-Reformation bloomed.

    So Go pfhuck your ignorant self.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  353. @APilgrim

    So Go pfhuck your ignorant self.

    Is that the Choctaw in you writing that or the Christian? I still favour the notion that it’s the Moron aspect of you, the easy to read clue for me was that you advocated nuking masses of innocent people.

    • LOL: L.K
    • Replies: @Talha
  354. @mark green

    Where do people who crawl round the internet blurting out whatever factoid pops up in their heads get their fake news from in the first place?

    This dodgy sounding stuff set me off to Google “how many Jews are there in the House of Lords”. That took me to an interesting Wikipedia list of Jewish MPs since 1800 and it was, to say the least, inclusive. All that was needed, even for the baptised Christians was a Jewish female forbear if you looked back far enough.

    Bearing that inclusiveness in mind, how many Jewish peers did it list? 57 (Or was it 67? No matter). One third of all peers? Not quite: there are 800 members of the House of Lords entitled to take part in its proceedings.

  355. annamaria says:

    H. Clinton, the American Cannibal: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-28/biggest-critics-trumps-syria-withdrawal-fueled-rise-isis

    As the insurgency advanced towards Syria’s coast, leaving piles of corpses in its wake and propelling a refugee crisis of unprecedented proportions, the U.S. stepped up its arm-and-equip program. By 2015, the CIA was pouring anti-tank missiles into the ranks of Nourredine Al-Zinki, an extremist militia thateventually forged a coalition with bands of fanatics that made no attempt to disguise their ideology. Among the new opposition umbrella group was one outfit called, “The Bin Laden Front.”

    Despite all its war on terror bluster, the U.S. was treating ISIS as an asset in its bid to topple Assad. Then Secretary of State Kerry copped to the strategy in a leaked private meeting with Syrian opposition activists in Sept. 2016: “We were watching,” Kerry revealed. “We saw that Daesh [ISIS] was growing in strength and we thought Assad was threatened. We thought, however, we could probably manage, you know, that Assad might negotiate and instead of negotiating, you got Assad, ah, you got Putin supporting him.”

    When Russia directly intervened in Syria in 2015, the Obama administration’s most outspoken interventionists railed against its campaign to roll back the presence of Al Qaeda and its allies,comparing it to the Rwandan genocide. These same officials were curiously quiet, however, when Russia combined forces with the Syrian military to drive ISIS from the city of Palmyra, to save the home of the world’s most treasured antiquities from destruction.

    The zionists’ voice:

    The New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman openly called for the U.S. to use ISIS as a strategic tool… “We could simply back off fighting territorial ISIS in Syria and make it entirely a problem for Iran, Russia, Hezbollah and Assad,” Friedman proposed. “After all, they’re the ones overextended in Syria, not us. Make them fight a two-front war—the moderate rebels on one side and ISIS on the other.”

    Humanitarian intervention a la Clinton (a lesson in mass murder):

    Fearing that ISIS-occupied Raqqa could be next to be returned to government hands, the U.S. unleashed a brutal bombing campaign …

    The U.S.-led campaign reduced much of Raqqa to rubble. In contrast to Aleppo, where rebuilding was underway and refugees were returning, Raqqa and outlying towns under U.S. control were cut off from basic government services and plunged into darkness.

  356. ka says:

    Echoing the Bush administration’s discredited attempts to link Saddam Hussein to Al Qaeda, some neoconservative pundits hatched a conspiracy theory that accused Assad of covertly orchestrating the rise of ISIS in order to curry support from the West. But the documented evidence firmly established the success of ISIS as a byproduct of the semi-covert American program https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/27/critics-of-syria-withdrawal-fueled-rise-of-isis/

    How do you deal with these neon bastards ? How on earth they keep reappearing on the maps year after year ,decade after decade and don’t t get punished ?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @RobinG
  357. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    This October, when Iran launched missile strikes against ISIS, nearly killing the ISIS emir, Baghdadi, the Pentagon complained that the missiles had struck only three kilometers from U.S. positions. The protest raised uncomfortable questions about what the top honchos of the Islamic State were doing in such close proximity to the American military, and why the U.S. was unwilling to do what Iran just had done and attack them. No answers from the Pentagon have arrived so far.
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/27/critics-of-syria-withdrawal-fueled-rise-of-isis/

    “We fight over there ,so we don’t have to fight them here “- a neo con favorite

    If that means fighting together , so be it . And they fought together .

    • Agree: RobinG
  358. @APilgrim

    Listen, ewe God-Damned Muhammadan,

    I am… Lutheran.

    Yes, we could tell by the meekness, humility, generosity, and love for one’s neighbor evident in your comment.

    PS: The admonition is to TURN the other cheek, not expose them.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  359. APilgrim says:
    @jacques sheete

    The censor will not allow me to get a word in, edgewise.

  360. APilgrim says:

    Apparently, actual belief in and of the Augsburg Confession is objectionable here.

    The Book of Concord and Augsburg Confession have always DEFINED Lutheranism.

    The FATE of Western Europe hung in the balance, under Muhammadan INVASION, then as now.

    • Replies: @Talha
  361. anonymous[538] • Disclaimer says:
    @ka

    How do you deal with these neon bastards ? How on earth they keep reappearing on the maps year after year ,decade after decade and don’t t get punished ?

    can a moral and conscious world ever forgive the Jews and their Anglo collaborators?
    given the enormity of their crimes, the nations and peoples they have deliberately destroyed, does the concept of forgiveness exist?

    Jesus died on Golgotha, the place of the skull.

    Israel was built on the mountains of skulls and skeletons of Russian, German, Palestinian, Hungarian, Arab, Iraqi, Libyan, Lebanese, Syrian . . . . people.

    Millions slaughtered so that 7 million Jews could live in Europe-on-the-Mediterranean.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  362. APilgrim says:

    http://bookofconcord.org/augsburgconfession.php

    The Augsburg Confession

    The Confession of Faith which was submitted to His Imperial Majesty Charles V, (Holy Roman Emperor) at the Diet of Augsburg in the year 1530 by certain princes and cities.

  363. Talha says:
    @APilgrim

    Perhaps a little update on events since a lot has happened in Europe from 1530 forward.

    Less than a century after that confession, there was a mass slaughter between rival Christian groups called the Thirty Years War. To stop the bleeding, the various rulers decided to kick back religious influence upon the state in Westphalia.

    Blah, blah, blah – things progress until the 20th century when Europe can reasonably called post-Christian by men like Neitzche.

    Now Europe can certainly revert to pre-Enlightenment governmental attitudes but that would require a massive change in the outlook of the people to Medieval norms (not necessarily a problem in and of itself) and likely lead to (or be preceded by) a massive culling of Europe’s current native population by public execution as heretics by even the most lax Medieval interpretations. But with Medieval big-family attitudes, you could probably replenish numbers within a generation or two.

    Would definitely make expelling Muslims (and Jews, Hindus and Buddhists for that matter) fairly straightforward though, so there’s that…

    Peace.

  364. @APilgrim

    The censor will not allow me to get a word in, edgewise.

    Aw, pore lil’ thang! Try making sense or at least being civil. UR is no place for views like yours especially those in the style you used.

    Get the hint?

    • Replies: @anon
  365. @anonymous

    …can a moral and conscious world ever forgive the Jews and their Anglo collaborators?

    While claiming no trace of being either moral or conscious, my loathing grows daily. I’ve long been at the point of letting their G-d, if any, forgive them. I certainly won’t.

  366. Talha says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Those Muzzies are so violent…thus we have to kill their babies and grandmothers indiscriminately out of the goodness of our upright mortality to show them how peaceful societies conduct themselves…

    It’s OK, I’m sure they’ll understand. I’m also sure the Israelis will understand and reassure us that we had no other choice.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anon
  367. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Don’t waste your energy by gazing on a malformed product .

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  368. RobinG says:
    @ka

    How do you deal with these neoKon bastards ?

    Support Trump when he makes a good move, and he may make more. Hang back like the virtue-signalers here, and you’re throwing him to the hawks.

    TRUMP SCORES, BREAKS GENERALS’ 50-YEAR WAR RECORD
    by Gareth Porter
    His national security team had been trying to box him in like every other president. But he called their bluff.
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-scores-breaks-generals-50-year-war-record-syria-mattis-dunford/

    The mainstream media has attacked President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria as impulsive, blindsiding his own national security team. But detailed, published accounts of the policy process over the course of the year tell a very different story. They show that senior national security officials and self-interested institutions have been playing a complicated political game for months aimed at keeping Trump from wavering on our indefinite presence on the ground in Syria.

    The entire episode thus represents a new variant of a familiar pattern dating back to Vietnam in which national security advisors put pressure on reluctant presidents to go along with existing or proposed military deployments in a war zone. The difference here is that Trump, by publicly choosing a different policy, has blown up their transparent schemes and offered the country a new course, one that does not involve a permanent war state.

    *****

    Trump is now well aware that it is virtually impossible to carry out the foreign policy that he wants without advisors who are committed to the same objective. That means that he must find people who have remained outside the system during the permanent war years while being highly critical of its whole ideology and culture. If he can fill key positions with truly dissident figures, the last two years of this term in office could decisively clip the wings of the bureaucrats and generals who have created the permanent war state we find ourselves in today.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  369. anon[538] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    out of the goodness of our upright mortality to show them how peaceful societies conduct themselves…

    truth forced itself into your fingers

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  370. @RobinG

    Trump is now well aware that it is virtually impossible to carry out the foreign policy that he wants without advisors who are committed to the same objective. That means that he must find people who have remained outside the system during the permanent war years while being highly critical of its whole ideology and culture.

    Flynt Leverett fits the profile to a T.

    Leverett was national security advisor in the Bush administration; he resigned in protest over Bush’s decision to go to war in Iraq.

    2013:

    2016:

    • Agree: Talha
  371. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    Israel’s recent airstrike against Syria, which involved the usage of civilian flights as cover for the operation, shows that the Israelis are changing their tactics against Damascus, Peter Ford, the former UK ambassador to Syria, told Sputnik.
    Israel’s new tactics were detailed in a Wednesday statement by the Russian Defense Ministry, which indicated that six Israeli F-16 fighter jets used two commercial aircraft as cover that were preparing to land in Damascus and Beirut, respectively.
    “Because, thanks to the Russians, the Syrian Army now has improved anti-aircraft defenses, therefore the Israelis are using new tactics, and it appears one of these is to hide behind other aircraft.”-Ford
    Considering both operations, Ford told hosts Brian Becker and John Kiriakou that new rules of engagement were coming into play for Russia as a consequence of Israel’s misstep. “They have effectively taken their Syrian partners off the leash and are saying to the Israelis that the ‘Syrians, if they can manage it, will take down your aircrafts. Don’t look to us for any kind of protections,’” he said.—-https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-airstrikes-in-syria-show-israels-changing-tactics/

    Sky-Terrorism ,or Aviation-based terrorism or the putting definitely the 3 rd country’s civilians into fatal harms way in the sky remind me of the land -based terrorism , behind the shield of civilians -terrorism and killing of the bystanders or of 3rd party that Zionist unveiled and introduced to the world in 40s .

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @annamaria
  372. Talha says:
    @anon

    Stinkin’ auto-correct…

    Peace.

  373. @SolontoCroesus

    As addition to Trump’s (promising) cabinet reformation, SolontoCroesus suggested: “Flynt Leverett fits the profile to a T.”

    Scranton greetings, S2C!

    Had it not been for the present engineered national malady of cognitive dissonance, I too agree that Leveret would be perfect, in in like flint.

    Am considering the mouthpiece of elite & wealthy secular (liberal) Jews, namely, NYT, Thomas L. Friedman.

    Fyi, in yesterday’s column, Friedman discussed “Trump’s demented behavior,” along being “erratic, his lying so persistent,” a proclivity to “spurn allies,” and egotistic “obsession with himself” etcetera. In a sentence, S2C, Friedman considers Trump an incompetent asshole, and fit for impeachment.

    In addition, later in the polemic column, Friedman got to the GWOT’s kosher beef, and wrote, “Trump has given us (uh, Jews!) disruption without any plan for what comes next.”

    (Zigh) Doubtless, Tom-the-Aplomb-Bomb means Syrian and Iran regime change.

    Then came Friedman’s potential Trump The Peacemaker, killer-sentence: “He has given us (Jew Lobbies?) destruction, distraction, (uh, ‘cognitive dissonance?’), debasement, and ignorance.” Near HRC-level apeshit, Friedman screeched, “Trump announced a pullout from Syria and Afghanistan without consulting the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the State Department, let alone our allies.”

    Argh!

    Well, S2C, maybe tonight Friedman takes Xanax, steps out for dinner & liquor at Rao’s Restaurant, meets Sam The Sham Shama, & they recite selected Talmud paragraphs. A warning though! Democrats want Trump’s head-on-platter and AIPAC will like liberal presidential candidates who can dance to Thomas L. Friedman’s Israeli tune.

    Wish you and family a New Year of peace, happiness & goodwill. Thanks!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  374. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Your nomination is appreciated. I’ve asked Phil and Ray McGovern for their picks, but no response. Of course, they may not want to curse anyone with a recommendation, seeing as they’re both Kremlin mouthpieces, lol.

    Meanwhile, your constructive post was quickly met with the usual whine and zigh. Wet blankets always ready for any bright spark.

  375. @SolontoCroesus

    Hey S2C!

    Fyi, & as Brother geokat calls ‘it,’ “Bolthead,” you might be aware of the NSA Neocon Frankenstein’s (John Bolton) plan to meet soon with Netanyahu on Trump’s presumed Syria “pull out’s” rest-of-the-story.

  376. annamaria says:

    The real anti-American activity: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-29/election-meddling-farce-enters-bizarro-world-msm-downplays-democrat-linked-russian

    Democratic operative Jonathon Morgan – bankrolled by LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman, pulled a Russian bot “false flag” operation against GOP candidate Roy Moore in the Alabama special election last year – creating thousands of fake social media accounts designed to influence voters. Hoffman has since apologized, while Morgan was suspended by Facebook for “coordinated inauthentic” behavior. …

    Described as a group of “tech specialists who lean Democratic,” New Knowledge has ties to both the US military and intelligence agencies. Its CEO and co-founder Jonathon Morgan previously worked for DARPA, the US military’s advanced research agency. His partner, Ryan Fox, is a 15-year veteran of the National Security Agency who also worked as a computer analyst for the Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC). …

    In an internal memo, New Knowledge boasted that it had “orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet.”

    It seems that the real specialization of New Knowledge is disinformation. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/popily#section-overview

    The opportunistic half-wit Jonathan Morgan is also a warrior against anti-semitism, particularity when his co-fighter Anne Applebaum (a presstitute affiliated with the infamous Integrity Initiative specializing in disinformation) feels offended: https://www.alternet.org/2017/02/breitbarts-comment-sections-reflects-white-supremacist-language/

  377. APilgrim says:

    About Philip Giraldi
    Phil Giraldi is a former CIA Case Officer and Army Intelligence Officer who spent twenty years overseas in Europe and the Middle East working terrorism cases. He holds a BA with honors from the University of Chicago and an MA and PhD in Modern History from the University of London. In addition to TAC, where he has been a contributing editor for nine years, he writes regularly for Antiwar.com. He is currently Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest and resides with his wife of 32 years in Virginia horse country close to his daughters and grandchildren.

    So, is this our heavy-handed censor? Or is it some other?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  378. @APilgrim

    The “censor” (do you mean moderator?) has been very, very generous towards you with your constant trolling and cluttering up of this site with your infantile comments. You contribute precious little beyond providing more and more of the already abundant evidence of your small-brained, massive hatreds and hypocrisies.

    • Agree: annamaria, L.K
  379. geokat62 says:

    So, is this our heavy-handed censor? Or is it some other?

    Creepy-dude alert in aisle six… someone call security.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  380. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks for that!

    With such goons screeching like terrified monkeys about Trump, I may have to re-think the guy.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Harold Smith
  381. @geokat62

    Creepy-dude alert in aisle six… someone call security.

    Nah, we just need to call maintenance. Someone merely forgot to flush the toilet.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  382. annamaria says:
    @anon

    The war profiteers and Israel-firsters are in arms: https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/12/trump-fought-for-his-withdrawal-for-a-year.html

    The recommendation “is a rejection of Trump’s policy to withdraw from Syria,” a person familiar with the discussions told Reuters. So, really, it is an attempt at sabotage.

  383. @jacques sheete

    Hey Jacques!

    Re; repetition of what geokat said: “Creepy-dude alert in aisle six… someone call security.”

    Might have to withdraw this comment, but given geokat’s penchant for being “on the ball,” I reckon he’s up to something deeper than the above quoted sentence suggests.

    Fyi, after Lee Harvey Oswald allegedly shot Officer Tippet, he allegedly ducked into the Texas Theater, bought ticket, and sat in aisle six to watch, “War is hell.”.

    Texas Theater is presently a monument, tourist attraction, and Oswald’s seat was confiscated as evidence, never returned.

    So, there is someone(s) creepy in White House aisles, and “we” better avoid calling Homel

  384. RobinG says:
    @jacques sheete

    Have you been in a coma? That crumb has been vilifying Trump forever.

  385. Inquiring into J.S.’s memory faculty, RobinG asked: “Have you been in a coma? That crumb (Thomas L. Friedman) has been vilifying Trump forever.”

    Greetings RobinG

    Get on the ball!

    Am quite certain Jacques Sheete knows that the secular Jewish-liberal (NWO) “crumb” has gushed over HRC forever.

    (zzZigh)

  386. APilgrim says:

    I have provided clear & convincing historical documents, that Muhammadans have long been considered implacable enemies of Christendom, by the Lutheran faith.

    I personally agree with ALL the statements in the Preface to the Book of Concord, (alliance/treaty) between the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, Lutheran Electors of the Holy Roman Emperor, and also signed by the Anabaptist delegates to the Diet at Augsburg.

    Angela Merkel, the Lutheran Preacher’s Kid (PK), either does not believe these things, or she has undermined Europe, for other motivations.

    (Perhaps this will pass the fastidious, and one-sided, requirements of our censor.)

  387. RobinG says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Aha! Some suggestions from Doug Bandow, whose article is much like Phil’s, but he names a few names!

    After Syria, Trump Should Clean Out His National Security Bureaucracy
    They’re undermining his positions and pursuing their own agendas. John Bolton should be the first to go.
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/after-syria-trump-should-clean-out-his-national-security-bureaucracy/

    [Replace Mattis.] …perhaps it’s time for a second round for former senator Chuck Hagel, who opposed the Gulf war and backed dialog with Iran.

    One who has been mentioned as a potential national security advisor in the past is retired Army colonel and respected security analyst Douglas Macgregor.

    Who to appoint? [SoS] Perhaps Tennessee’s John Duncan, the last Republican congressman who opposed the Iraq war and who retired this year after decades of patriotic service.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  388. A(poplectic) said: “(Perhaps this will pass the fastidious, and one-sided, requirements of our censor.)”

    My bet your comment shall pass, like uncensored steam-exhaust from a One-Trick-Poney’s arse!

  389. gsjackson says:
    @jacques sheete

    Prudent, no doubt, but then for the Pollyannas there is the Q Anon perspective, which is that these are the final preliminaries before Trump not only becomes the president he campaigned to be, but actually lays waste to the Deep State. Assorted malfeasors will be shipped off to Gitmo to face military tribunals, the Fed will be taken down, and finally the coup de grace administered to the mother of all wars, Israel.

  390. @RobinG

    My choices would be Andrew Bacevich or Jim Webb (who unfortunately has a “thing” about China but is otherwise first class)

    • Replies: @RobinG
  391. APilgrim says:

    The Kurds, have allied themselves with Assad.

    Clearly Kurds fear extermination by the Turks.

    And rightly so.

    • Replies: @anon
  392. anon[538] • Disclaimer says:

    According to this article on Foreign Policy mag, Chuck Hagel was in favor of an attack on Syria and was disturbed when Obama pulled back from the “red line.”

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/18/hagel-the-white-house-tried-to-destroy-me/
    FP BY DAN DE LUCE | DECEMBER 18, 2015,

    In an exclusive interview, Chuck Hagel said the Obama administration micromanaged the Pentagon, stabbed him in the back on the way out — and still has no strategy for fixing Syria.

    FP may have spun the story, or caught Hagel in an unfortunate moment.

  393. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    Kurds are like you . Always looking for an anchor to poke and throw some stones .No plan , no objective other than to be a pain and nuisance and raise a whole lot of fresh different entitlements .

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  394. @jacques sheete

    “With such goons screeching like terrified monkeys about Trump, I may have to re-think the guy.”

    OTOH the anti-Trump vituperation from the likes of that idiot might be nothing more than disingenuous rhetoric intended to boost Trump’s image among the masses of increasingly disgusted reasonable people – while Trump sets things up for a war against Iran, or some other zionist atrocity.

    Given everything that Trump’s done (or failed to do) so far, I can’t give him the benefit of the doubt on anything. The only way that Trump could now hope to rehabilitate himself in my view would be if he were to do something unambiguously-decisively-anti-imperial, such as to sit down and start negotiating with Russia – in good faith – the issue of intermediate range nuke missiles in Europe, with a goal of strengthening/supporting the INF treaty, instead of abandoning it while blaming Russia.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  395. APilgrim says:
    @anon

    Like most, if not ALL, Muhammadans, you have no civilization skills and/or aptitude.

    I support the Reformation, Counter-Reformation, Enlightenment, & The American Republic. I oppose allowing access to The American Republic, to Muhammadans and other ne’er do well populations.

    GFY

    • Replies: @Robjil
  396. @Harold Smith

    Harold Smith offered the following far sighted comment: Given everything that Trump’s done (or failed to do) so far, I can’t give him the benefit of the doubt on anything. The only way that Trump could now hope to rehabilitate himself in my view would be if he were to do something unambiguously-decisively-anti-imperial, such as to sit down and start negotiating with Russia – in good faith –

    Broken Scranton Hope & Dream greetings, Mr. Smith!

    Regarding your statesmanlike & knowledgeable words (above), I have a hunch that both globalist Presidents Putin and Trump — & along with their warlike & theatrical Empire/Nationalist “kicking & screaming” — are embarked upon & negotiating the outline for The Protocols of Zion “endgame,” and where Zionist Israel shall achieve its territorial expansion wish, and is crowned as Middle East-hegemon in the New World Order.

    Fyr, below is an article which for me suggests that much goes on behind the public rubble’s purview and subsequent consent, control.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-dialogue/putin-in-new-year-letter-to-trump-says-moscow-is-open-for-dialogue-idUSKCN1OT07W

    Thanks so much for the comment, Harold Smith! Am very open to any dissent as to my followup (speculative) contribution.

    • Replies: @gsjackson
  397. Robjil says:
    @APilgrim

    Whatever the west had that was good. It is in the past. We have the Deformation since 1913. WWI to get the Balfour. WWII to get Israel. It is the complete Dark Ages since the 9/11 set up. The American Entrapment (former Republic) is what it is today. It nothing to brag about. A freeing of human mind is the only way we can regain our “freedoms”. Sites like Unz are working towards this freedom that humanity is yearning for again.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski

  398. A shop displays Christmas decorations in central Tehran © Global Look Press
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447671-christmas-iran-syria-israel-saudis/

    Excerpt (more at source):

    Christmas is a time of goodwill to all men. Or at least it should be. But while the West’s Middle East ‘bad guys’ Iran and Syria, showed the Yuletide spirit, its closest allies, Saudi Arabia and Israel, failed to do so.
    Iran is demonized by Western neocons and we’re meant to see the country as an evil, ‘monster‘ regime of foaming-at-the-mouth religious fanatics who hate everyone.

    So it goes against the dominant narrative somewhat that Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif tweeted a Christmas message and wished ‘peace and joy to all in 2019’, on Christmas Eve.

    In fact, despite the large number of Christians from other countries who work in the country, including many Britons, the holding of any Christmas-related services or commemorations in Saudi Arabia is strictly banned. “The Christmas season – often a season where Christians around the world are most visible – is a tense time for Christians in Saudi Arabia, who have to celebrate the holiday in secret, risking arrest and deportation,” said Jeff King, President of the International Christian Concern, in 2016.

    Imagine being a Christian and not being able to openly celebrate the birth of Christ. It happens in Saudi Arabia, yet Western leaders, so keen to lecture others about ‘human rights’ and ‘religious freedom’ stay silent, preferring to pick on Iran – where Christmas can be openly celebrated.

    Syria is another country ‘monstered’ by the endless war lobby but where, against all the odds, the Christmas spirit is still maintained. Big seasonal celebrations were held this year in Aleppo and Damascus. Remember Aleppo?

    It was recaptured by the Syrian Arab Army from Islamist ‘rebels’ two years ago this month, and the neocon/’liberal interventionist’ commentariat, and most of the political class portrayed it as a most terrible thing. Ian Austin MP said that people in Aleppo faced ‘slaughter’.

    John Woodcock MP called the Morning Star newspaper ‘traitorous scum’ for referring to the recapture of Aleppo by Syrian forces of their own territory, as a ‘liberation’. But if you look at the pictures of Christians celebrating Christmas there once again, which they were forbidden to do under the western-backed head-chopping ’rebels’ you can see that the ‘L’ word was indeed appropriate.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  399. @Cloak And Dagger

    This year in Damascus though, the festive celebrations were defiled by another act of aggression against Syria from a Western-supported-country, one which incidentally Ian Austin and John Woodcock have been Parliamentary ‘Friends’ of.

    On the evening of December 25, loud explosions could be heard seven miles from the center of Damascus. Russia’s Defense Ministry said that Israel’s Christmas Day F-16 strikes endangered two civilian flights – as well as injuring three personnel at the logistics compound.

    Whatever your stance is on Middle Eastern affairs – and leaving aside the illegality of the operation whenever it took place – the question is: did Israel really have to bomb Syria on Christmas Day?

    Would Israel’s ’security’ have been lessened if the raid had taken place on December 28 and not the 25th? Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu did tweet Christmas greetings out to ‘Christian friends’ in Israel and around the world on December 24, but why did his forces attack a country where Christians were celebrating one day later?

  400. @Robjil

    Plain spoken & knowledgeable, Robjil wrote: “The American Entrapment (former Republic) is what it is today.”

    Hey Robjil!

    As followup to your comment above, have a point & question to the offer for which I believe only perhaps U.R. commenters, InZitatus & Sam The Sham Shama shall offer a response, with at minimum their “chosen” data.

    My rather unadvertised point is the Federal Reserve system’s composition as a private bank & owned by major Wall Street Banks.

    Fyi, a supporting PressTV article, below, is based upon the knowledge of Stephen Lendman, and admittedly not someone of unconventional “stature,” like for example Paul Craig Roberts, Steve is a Chicago-based author & radio host

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/30/584336/Federal-Reserve-is-owned-by-major-banks-of-Wall-Street

    In addition, Robjil, PreZident Trump is on record of having bravely compared The Fed to a “blundering golfer.”

    Eh-hem, subsequently, my question: Is the U.S. ‘guvmint allowed to get out of the Zio sandtrap & withdraw from The Federal Reserve’s insecure Homeland “Country Club” course?

    Thanks, Robjil, I hope for response(S) & er, Christos Razdajetsja!

  401. @ChuckOrloski

    This article is germane to your question, Chuck:

    THE TRUTH ABOUT ALL CENTRAL BANK CONTROLLED NATIONS: HERE’S HOW THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM REALLY WORKS
    https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/69984/the-truth-about-all-central-bank-controlled-nations-heres-how-the-financial-system-really.html

    The Federal Reserve, “the Fed”, is the central bank of the United States of America that was created in 1913 by Congress. It is a banking cartel that has a government-granted monopoly on the creation of money and credit. The Fed literally loans “money” (Federal Reserve Notes) into existence. Federal Reserve Notes are paper promises backed by nothing of intrinsic value and they are only functioning as money because the government forces them on the public through legal tender laws. Federal Reserve Notes are referred to as dollars but are not. The definition of a dollar is a weight of silver (371 grains). To put it simply, the Fed is a group of banks running a national counterfeiting operation with the protection of the government.

    :
    :

    To me, a logical question to ask is: “Why does the U.S. government need to pay interest to the Federal Reserve to have new currency put into circulation?” But in all my scraping and searching around the internet, I have not found a single, solitary answer from a proponent of the Federal Reserve System, not even a lame or bad answer.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  402. gsjackson says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    “Middle -East hegemon?” Such lowly ambitions. If there’s only one government to buy in the NWO, then those adept at such purchases — i.e., Zionist Israel — shall soon own it.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  403. Talha says:

    To the moderator:

    It seems as though APilgrim’s posts are being deleted. While I understand why you would do that with the posts that are basically foul-mouthed nonsense, some of his other posts have been highly illuminating.

    I am personally fascinated by the disclosure of the mentality of the kinds of Christians that the Israelis and Zionists can depend on through thick and thin; I would recommend leaving those available for everyone to see. These people do exist and they vote.

    Just some thoughts.

    Peace.

  404. Robjil says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck,
    I think this fake fiat system has to be given for humanity to advance. It is stopping the people of the planet from working together to make a great place for all of us. It has created massive, destructive wars in the past 100 years. There is no choice but to give it up. I don’t know if Trump is brave enough to do what it is needed. Someone or some country has to do it soon.
    Thanks, Chuck for tireless good work at this site. This site has so many good commenters. It is a great place to learn about what a good planet we could have if we really had “freedom of speech” everywhere.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  405. One Tribe says:

    Thank you Phil Giraldi for your ongoing fact-based retort to the MSM war against humanity.

    The main war, which concerns all of humanity, is the info-war for the minds of humanity, to dupe us into embracing slavery to those who hate us.

    The war has been going for a lot longer than most people, even here, realize.

    On Trump:
    One could say that this is the best policy pronouncement that he has made in office, but we all have to face the facts that Donald Trump has a durable trend of being decision-incapable, including consistent policy declarations, let alone implementation of policy.
    So, we’ll have to wait and see…

    I refrain from criticizing the man for several reasons, one being that he was the only constitutionally qualified candidate in the general election, and ultimately, he was the constitutionally selected person for the office.
    Those with a problem with the outcome, could have harnessed all of the energies spent thus far in ridiculous criticism, and public tantrums about him, into changing the constitutional selection systems.
    At the end of the day, he won as fair-and-square as the system allows, his opponent cheated, (for which there is ample factual evidence), and thus should have been disqualified from the general election.

    All that said, policies are being implemented, which will likely impoverish the “U.S.A.” for generations, not the least of which are environmental protection laws, etc.
    Also, he is implementing changes to banking laws, back to fostering conditions which enabled the Great Theft of 2008; this affects the entire world, even those nations governed by wiser people, who are attempting insulate themselves from the American financial warfare arsenal.

    So, the end is coming for the empire, but the problem still remains their adopted ideological obsession with win or destroy all.

    Which leads us back to the root of the issues plaguing the U.S.A., the purveyors of this neurotic creed.
    Every time I hear of the Russiagate, claiming Russian interference in the U.S. election, I cringe thinking about the overt control over foreign and domestic policy by the agent of a ‘foreign‘ agency.
    Just consider the extreme absurdity of meaningful Russian suasion in U.S. policy compared to the wholesale purchasing of the elected representatives and policy dictates of that, the most protected and powerful lobby organization in the world.

    It brings this dissertation to the question, to which I will pivot, by way of the cite of a member of the privileged class, “… a “childish moronic mentally unstable malignant narcissist” who is “committing Treason”…“.
    The question is, what does it actually mean to self-identify as a jew?
    If somebody calls themself that, (I disagree with the term itself, but it is the recognizable self-identification nomenclature), what does that mean?
    Ultimately, it means, for the vast majority, non-religious, secular, thus, “cultural” adherents, that when push comes to shove, they will ascribe their allegiance to the in-group, and it is assumed that the unwritten social contract, of gaining favour, and thus benefit, through affiliation, as the benefit to any perceived cost.
    In behaving pro-in-group, where the in-group’s base ideology includes refusal to even acknowledge out-group peoples as part of ‘humanity‘; thus necessitates as part of the contract fundamental discrimination against all out-group people, some times horrifically, see Deir Yassin (https://www.deiryassin.org/), and as method, in all ways, in secrecy.

    Conclusion: self-identification to this aforementioned in-group, is tantamount to war against humanity.

    How can this be accepted?

    We can see this war against us, everywhere, in the mainstream media.
    Who can believe anything printed in the New York Times? (let alone the WaPo?!)

    I urge all those reading, who identify with this group to research just what it is that you are identifying with.
    The Talmud is a incredibly detailed set of documents explicitly instructing adherents in discrimination and hatred against humanity.
    if one identifies with this group, one is defacto at war with humanity.
    It seems completely untenable, but infers suggestions of the nature of adherents, and in particular the leadership of this ideology.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  406. @Cloak And Dagger

    Am very grateful and pleaded with your response & I suspect solid documentation on the Federal Reserve’s extortion-system imposition on the U.S.A.

    Something either you, C&D, or another can answer, & so I repeat the important question from my comment, # 406, “Is the U.S. ‘guvmint allowed to get out of the Zio sandtrap & withdraw from The Federal Reserve’s insecure Homeland “Country Club” course?”

    (Note: Regarding the bottom-BRACKETED section of your comment, beginning “To me a logical question…” is that you talking, C&D?)

    Thanks very much! Uh — Maybe InZitatus will chime in on our “Homeland” as hostage in The abusive Fed bed.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  407. @Talha

    I am personally fascinated by the disclosure of the mentality of the kinds of Christians that the Israelis and Zionists can depend on through thick and thin;

    Just because he/she claims to be Christian doesn’t make him so. Reminds me of the fake Shia, Tammy.

    • Replies: @Talha
  408. @ChuckOrloski

    (Note: Regarding the bottom-BRACKETED section of your comment, beginning “To me a logical question…” is that you talking, C&D?)

    No, it is from the article.
    Ron Paul wanted to audit the Fed – never happened.

  409. Leopard says:
    @Durruti

    I’m still amazed at the inability to separate one’s belief system from rational investigation of so-called facts.
    It is far easier to perpetrate a rant based upon faulty evidence than to embark on a truly ”fact finding” mission.
    We don’t even know how our autonomic nervous system does it’s work, yet we expound nonsense based on unfounded belief.
    The masters of the pyramid society laugh at our nonsense.
    Divide and conquer. Ever heard of that?

  410. C&D reminded:”Ron Paul wanted to audit the Fed – never happened.”

    So, presumably, the Fed could undergo an independent (unbiased) U.S. Congress sanctioned audit.

    Too bad Jewish Lobbies control Congress.

    Thanks a lot for the responses, Dagger!

  411. APilgrim says:
    @Talha

    I know a number of Christian Zionists. They are mostly ‘Low-Church’ as in ‘Non-Liturgical’ christians, such as Baptists and so-called ‘Non-Denominational’ church members. Zionists are mostly Pre-millenialists.

    Few Lutherans, (Liturgical-Christians) are Pre-millenialists and/or Zionists. Martin Luther was somewhat hostile to European Ashkenazim (convert) Jews.

    “Pre-millenialists believe that Christ will return, and then establish his 1,000-year reign. It is from this latter group that we get a lot of millennial thinking in the Christian church associated with strong support for the nation state of Israel (the emergence of Israel in 1948 and the occupation of Jerusalem in 1967 is seen as a fulfillment of prophecy). The emergence of the Christian Brethren founded by JN Darby towards the end of the 19th Century, and the Scofield Reference Bible had an enormous impact, especially in the US. End times theology remains incredibly influential (and lucrative).” Quote taken from: Tim LaHaye and the end times: What should we believe about the end of the world? David Robertson Fri 29 Jul 2016 12:14 BST. David Robertson is the moderator of the Free Church of Scotland and director of Solas CPC, Dundee. https://www.christiantoday.com/article/tim-lahaye-and-the-end-times-what-should-we-believe-about-the-end-of-the-world/91646.htm

    • Replies: @Talha
  412. annamaria says:
    @APilgrim

    Philip Giraldi is a highly respected human being. Readers on this forum admire his expertise, honesty, and courage.

    You seem to be lost: look how many people on this forum have chided you for inappropriateness of your posts. Perhaps you should look for another place where you can find likeminded people.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  413. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    The first sentence should read – I think this fake fiat system has to be given up for humanity to advance. I forgot the “up”.

  414. Talha says:
    @APilgrim

    Thanks for the insights! Comments like these are certainly interesting and informative.

    Peace.

  415. APilgrim says:

    The late “Tim La Haye, aged 90 and Jerry B Jenkins, co-authored the ‘Left Behind’ series of books which have sold more than 65 million copies and been made into a successful film series. The ‘rapture’ theology is important, not just because of the impact it has upon Christians, but because of the potential impact it has upon the rest of the world. It directly impacts politics and key world questions such as the Middle East and Israel. It also taps into a very popular film and book genre – the apocalyptic, ‘it’s the end of the world as we know it’, scenarios.” (IBID)

    Pre-millenialism, similar to the ‘Left-Behind’ series appears to be at or near the core of the Christian-Zionists that I know, and like. I do not personally hold the fervent Revelation beliefs of the pre-millenialists. Nor do I share the hostility of Martin Luther for the Ashkenazim.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  416. APilgrim says:
    @annamaria

    Apparently conflict upsets you.

    Conflict does not upset me.

    A handful of Muhammadan Trolls does not intimidate me.

    Brain-Dead PC Millennials are easily swayed morons.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  417. anon[267] • Disclaimer says:

    this website’s getting jewed up with trolls

    this is how it started at Gab about 6-8 months ago and it just got worse from there

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  418. @anon

    Reasonably, anon # 267 said: “this website’s getting jewed up with trolls.”

    The biggest worry is web sites anywhere near the vitality of The Unz Review getting shut down.

    Fyi, many trolls & capable (articulate) hasbarists have posted comments here, got “jewed” down-to-size, and likely self-outsourced themselves elsewhere. Yinged then yanged.

    Nonetheless, thanks, 267!

    Aside, do you think the U.S. can “withdraw” from the Federal Reserve system? Am just curious to learn what you think.

  419. @One Tribe

    “One could say that this is the best policy pronouncement that he has made in office, but we all have to face the facts that Donald Trump has a durable trend of being decision-incapable, including consistent policy declarations, let alone implementation of policy.
    So, we’ll have to wait and see…”

    Well he made the decision to take money from Adelson. He made the decision to appoint Nikki Haley, John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. He made the decision to commit war crimes in Syria. He made the decision to repudiate the JCPOA with Iran. He made the decision to move the embassy to Tel-Aviv. He’s apparently also made a decision to withdraw from the INF treaty with Russia. Thus contrary to your statement he is demonstrably very decision-capable; just not generally good-decision-capable.

    “I refrain from criticizing the man for several reasons, one being that he was the only constitutionally qualified candidate in the general election, and ultimately, he was the constitutionally selected person for the office.”

    On the night of 8 August 1969, on orders from Charles Manson, the “Manson family” attacked a house located at 10050 Cielo Drive in Los Angeles, CA, and murdered actress Sharon Tate and four other people at the house.

    For his part in that crime and other murders, Manson was convicted of first degree murder and sentenced to death. His death sentence was commuted to life in prison when California abolished the death penalty in 1972, but Manson was never granted parole and died in prison in 2017. At one of his parole hearings, the parole board found that Manson showed “no indication of remorse, no insight into the causative factors of the crimes, lacked understanding of the magnitude of the crimes [and] had an exceptional, callous disregard for human suffering.”

    On 6 April 2017, on orders from presidential poseur teflon-don-the-con-man trump, the USS Ross and USS Porter (both based in the Mediterranean) attacked the Shayrat airbase in Syria with a barrage of 59 cruise missiles.

    According to the governor of Homs, five Syrian military personnel and nine civilians were killed, and thirteen civilians were wounded in the unprovoked attack.

    On that day, teflon-don-the-con-man became a mass-murdering war criminal, thereby putting himself on the same moral plane as Charles Manson.

    So mass-murderer Charles Manson got life in prison and mass-murderer Donald Trump gets deference? He deserves no criticism for his heinous crimes because he was “constitutionally qualified” to be president?

  420. APilgrim says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Yes, the USA can participate in Central Banking or NOT. The USA has had 3 central banks and 3 periods without central banking. The united states have experienced the alternatives for roughly EQUAL periods of our history.

    North Dakota is NOT a part of the US Federal Reserve system, as they set up a similar, state-wide system a few years PRIOR to the ‘Great Depression’.

    The Treasury Department can PRINT Money and pay bills without any dealings with the Federal Reserve Bank. It is a matter of tactical indifference whether the money supply is expanded by PRINTING Money or by the Federal Reserve ‘selling securities’ or via ‘Quantitative Easing’. If too much money is created, by these mechanisms, we have inflation. If not enough money is created, we have deflation.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  421. anonymous[538] • Disclaimer says:
    @APilgrim

    Did Jesus die and rise from the dead in the Left Behind series?

    Tim LaHaye was a nutcase, a wackadoodle, a modern-day Sabbatai Zvi.

    Over 70 million Hardy Boys books have been sold worldwide.

    Does that mean that intelligent men and women should frame policy based on Hardy boys?

    It’s really scary to think that people who are so easily deluded can vote and affect the way I, our children and grandchildren and millions of people in nations near and abroad will live out their lives.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  422. RobinG says:
    @Harold Smith

    Today, this very enigmatic statement from Lindsey Graham. Does this mean Trump clued him in to reality, or…… that Trump told him, “Not to worry, we’ll still have xxx thousand mercenaries on the ground …. ”
    Notice it’s “where we’re headed in Syria” but not “why it’s OK to leave Syria.”

    CBS News‏Verified account @CBSNews · 6h6 hours ago

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, who criticized President Trump’s withdrawal of troops from the Middle East, says Trump today told him “some things I didn’t know that make me feel a lot better about where we’re headed in Syria”

    Whatever. Press him to do the right thing.
    Comments: 202-456-1111 – Call during business hours. Email anytime.
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/get-involved/write-or-call/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  423. RobinG says:
    @anonymous

    It’s really scary to think that people who are so easily deluded can vote and affect the way I, our children and grandchildren and millions of people in nations near and abroad will live out their lives.

    Indeed. That’s why [one reason] I oppose direct democracy.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  424. @APilgrim

    A(poplectic) Pilgrim assures: “Yes, the USA can participate in Central Banking or NOT.”

    That’s good news, phew, was worried, & thank you!

    A(poplectic) Pilgrim also informed me, “North Dakota is NOT a part of the US Federal Reserve system…,”

    WOW! Am no Maven Sam Shama, so let me get this straight? Early 20th century Dakotans got a jump on Jewish bankers, and consequently, North Dakota never signed up, and subsequently they have no need to demand a Federal Reserve audit; no need to clamor for a crooked system withdrawal of? Uh, WOW! Cool. Thanks.

    Then, A(apoplectic) Pilgrim non-hostiley bought Manhattan, & he affirmed: “The Treasury Department can PRINT Money and pay bills without any dealings with the Federal Reserve Bank.”

    Yo! Holy shit. I spat Margarita, bit my cheek, & it hurts, A(poplectic)!
    But, nonetheless, am grateful to learn (at minimum) that Trump’s Treasury Secretary Mnuchin can pay the White House light bills without having to get Fed Chairman Powell’s approval. Thank you very much!

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  425. One Tribe says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold Smith:
    Thank you for indulging, reading my comment, and the thought and effort to reply.

    Obviously you have well-thought out views on this matter, and I have no refutation for the facts listed.
    While it is true what you have written, it is scarcely less true for his predecessor, who is still adored; I’m not saying he did exactly the same thing, but the extrajudicial murders, one could argue even war-crimes… are not new for holders of this office, nor is the almost universal sale of policy to… well, the funny thing is, it is illegal to write it down, but there is an operational program in place to purchase the top two candidates for each party, then both sides in elections, prior to the opening of the polls, financed by the assurance of the introduction of and passage of policies to give money to the purchasers of the representatives.

    My point, besides the fact that the ‘democratic‘ system processes, as it works, resulted in his gaining office, is that he is a symptom, and that criticism of him will not result in the system getting better.
    One could see that it is clearly his primary role, in the larger empire machinations to specifically take-the-flack for the what is going on, while the controllership of the gangsterism, i.e. Sheldon Adelson, et al. and of the core architecture of the systemic dysfunction continue the work, which will lead to the downfall of civilization as we know it, and/or the enslavement of humanity.

    There is a systemic pressure which destabilizes all systems it enters, following a very, very strong trend line over 2000 years.
    This is why the study of history is relevant, and why censorship could blind the world to addressing the catastrophe’s repeated over that time.
    Some smart person said of insanity, something about repeating it over and over expecting different outcomes.

    If the blindings of censorship are not cured, and the social infection not addressed, the biosphere may not survive.

    Follow the money…

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  426. APilgrim says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Your attempts at irony and sarcasm are pitiful. Therefore, if you have something to say, then TRY to write it in a cogent fashion.

    I studied Engineering and Business at Tier-1 Universities and worked several years, in several industries. I also have owned and operated several small to medium size businesses, so the challenges of payroll, regulation, and cash-flow management are quite familiar.

    The banking descriptions that upset you are scarcely 101 level finance and economics.

  427. APilgrim says:
    @RobinG

    Those Amendment-1 thingies about freedom of: speech, press, association & religion threaten: communists, globalists, fascists, royalists, caliphs, animalists, Muhammadans and every other form of despotism over the human mind.

    Our American Republic allows all the issues to be discussed, debated and slowly adapted to. That produces a frustrating environment for radical change agents. It also produces a certain dynamic stability for our economy and legal systems.

    The Letters of Thomas Jefferson, To Dr. Benjamin Rush Monticello, September 23, 1800, http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl134.php

    “for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man”

  428. APilgrim says:
    @Harold Smith

    “(T)he USS Ross and USS Porter (both based in the Mediterranean) attacked the Shayrat airbase in Syria with a barrage of 59 cruise missiles. According to the governor of Homs, five Syrian military personnel and nine civilians were killed, and thirteen civilians were wounded”

    Correct, under the War Powers Act, an Article-II-Eligible, duly-elected, sworn-in President, is legally authorized to commit acts of war, in the name of the United States of America, for 30 days. Unless congress passes an AUMF, or the local government negotiates a SOFA, the president is required to retreat over the next 60 days.

    The ‘evidence’ supporting the bombing of the Shayrat airbase in Syria was poorly photo-shopped, and quickly discredited garbage. That garbage ‘evidence’ of Syrian use of chemical warfare, did however make Ivanka Trump Kushner, and many other chicks cry and DEMAND the bombing. President Trump PROBABLY believed the ‘Assad-War-Criminal-Garbage’ and pulled the trigger. The American Republic is the LAW, on the international stage, until further notice. I did NOT like many of the GWB activities, but like Trump GWB was an Article-II-Eligible, duly-elected, sworn-in President. BHO was not, so he IS a criminal at home and abroad.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  429. APilgrim says:

    Dear heavy-handed censor,

    I hate what Muhammadans do.
    I hate what Muhammadans believe.
    I hate what Muhammadans say.
    I hate who Muhammad was, & what he said, wrote, thought, taught, and did.

    Ergo, I hate Muhammadans. So what?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @Ivan
  430. annamaria says:
    @APilgrim

    “Conflict does not upset me.”

    — Are not you, an anonymous “APilgrim” trying to compare your “courage” with the courage of Giraldi? Here is a repost for you, a careful businessman “APilgrim:”

    Philip Giraldi is a highly respected human being. Readers on this forum admire his expertise, honesty, and courage.

  431. APilgrim says:

    I do not particularly mind being called a: Hater, Denier, Racist, or Misogynist by: Communists, Nazis, Royalists, Caliphists and or Globalists, who are generally liars, thieves and mass-murderers.

    Their trollish, reactionary pejoratives fall away like “water-on-a-duck’s-back.”

  432. @RobinG

    New Year’s Eve greetings, RobinG!

    As you wisely recommended, “Whatever. Press him (Trump) to do the right thing.” it appears others with bad powerful intentions did so, and got a favorable response. Please refer to article linked down below?

    Nonetheless, “hope springs eternal,” and maybe a joyful Russian Christmas gift, a U.S. troop withdrawal, January 7th, for Syria?

    https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/12/31/584447/US-Trump-Syria-evacuation-pause-Graham

    Thank you, and Happy New Year RobinG!

  433. Talha says:
    @APilgrim

    Swell.

    Just a question; I’m going to go on a limb and guess that you are kind of an old-ish person that doesn’t have any kids and probably will not – am I correct?

    mass-murderers

    The only one on record supporting nuke-happy mass murder on this forum is you. It seems to be the way you react when people in some distant land elect someone you don’t approve of.

    So it’s a little tough for the rest of us to take your virtue-signaling seriously. But carry on, like I said to the moderator, it is quite exemplary.

  434. @APilgrim

    To U.R. the “heavy handed censor,” (hee-hee), the All Knowing, experienced & Christian-businessman, A(poplectic) Pilgrim, wrote: ‘Ergo, I hate Muhammadans. So what?”

    Hm…, interesting! Hating “Muhammadans” who are uncooperative with international Jewry’s global business plan is a virtue.

    Well — Sheldon Adelson & Jared Kushner associate headhunters might spot this valuable talent, A(poplectic) Pilgrim, and persuade Trump to offer you a high level U.S. Treasury Department & executive policy making job.

    All the best prejudiced-worst to you, A(poplectic)! Given allowance by the meanie U.R. censor, I shall follow your 2019 fortune.

  435. 2729301

    Hey A(poplectic) Pilgrim, thanks so much for repeating your most valued judgement & advisory upon me:
    “Your attempts at irony and sarcasm are pitiful. Therefore, if you have something to say, then TRY to write it in a cogent fashion.”

    Fyi, long ago and to date, very scholarly and articulate obfuscators were just as kind as you regarding my Unz Review comments.
    What’s more, they even bestowed upon me a chickenshit nickname, for example “Woodchuck,” but my all-time favorite was when largely secular Jew, Sam Shama, called me a “viral bacterial strain.” Such manifoldly made my day!

    I get strong impression that during an early age, A(poplectic) Pilgrim, you experienced neighborhood/elementary school turbulence which provoked you to begin a gradual fall into selective & hateful perdition.

    (zzzZigh) So you can add me to your Things-to-Hate/Vilify List & I shall be honored!

    One more thing, A(poplectic)Pilgrim? I heard John Bolton operates an exclusive and daily White House “War Party Ten- Minutes Muhammadan Hate Club,” which for a fee, you can participate, enjoy, via live internet connection.

    And as you know, ‘guvmint collusion to oppress & destabilize Moslem countries is an astonishingly profitable “Homeland” business.

    • Replies: @anon
  436. @One Tribe

    “While it is true what you have written, it is scarcely less true for his predecessor, who is still adored; I’m not saying he did exactly the same thing, but the extrajudicial murders, one could argue even war-crimes… are not new for holders of this office, nor is the almost universal sale of policy to…”

    Well you seem to be changing the subject. Who “adores” obama? Not me. How do obama’s crimes absolve orange clown of his immoral and criminal acts? They don’t. I criticized him for his failings too. Of course they’re all mass murderers, but as long as people keep trying to portray orange clown as somehow something different, e.g., “better” than his predecessors, I feel I have a moral and patriotic duty to keep pointing out that he’s a scum bag, not worthy of deference but disgust.

    “My point, besides the fact that the ‘democratic‘ system processes, as it works, resulted in his gaining office, is that he is a symptom, and that criticism of him will not result in the system getting better.”

    First, it wasn’t our “democratic system processes” that murdered fourteen people in Syria in a calculated war crime, it was orange clown personally. (BTW our “system” was supposed to prohibit such war crimes). Second, how will overlooking his crimes and showing deference rather than disgust “result in the system getting better”? It won’t.

    Anyway, my point is that orange clown needs to be openly, incessantly criticized for his crimes, his dishonesty and his other moral failings. He betrayed his supporters and America, and he needs to be publicly scorned for his treachery (regardless of whether or not “the system” will somehow be made better); “systems” don’t commit murder, immoral people like orange clown and obama do.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @One Tribe
  437. @APilgrim

    “Correct, under the War Powers Act, an Article-II-Eligible, duly-elected, sworn-in President, is legally authorized to commit acts of war, in the name of the United States of America, for 30 days. Unless congress passes an AUMF, or the local government negotiates a SOFA, the president is required to retreat over the next 60 days.”

    First, mass murder is mass murder, an immoral act, regardless of any “words on paper” that dishonest people may compose and other dishonest people may calculatingly misconstrue, to somehow legally “justify” their heinous criminal acts.

    Second, according to the supreme law of the land, the U.S. Constitution, specifically Art. 6 Sec. 2:

    “all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land.”

    And the U.S. government is a signatory to the UN Charter, i.e. a treaty, under which an attack on another country is explicitly prohibited unless certain specific conditions exist, none of which existed when orange clown attacked the Shayrat airbase in Syria.

    Therefore, in his attack on the Shayrat airbase in Syria, orange clown committed an illegal, unconstitutional and indisputably immoral act of mass murder, whereby he made himself morally indistinguishable from CharlesManson, the Zodiac killer or Son of Sam (David Berkowitz). (Note: David Berkowitz was sentenced to six consecutive life terms in prison even if his neighbor’s dog did order the murders or even if Berkowitz believed in good faith that the dog ordered the murders).

    “President Trump PROBABLY believed the ‘Assad-War-Criminal-Garbage’ and pulled the trigger.”

    As I endeavored to point out above, whether or not orange clown believed in good faith that the Assad government used chemical weapons is morally and legally irrelevant. But if you’re going to assert that orange clown actually was acting in good faith, then you have to explain why orange clown would choose to attack the airbase from which the chemical attack was allegedly launched, thereby impliedly risking the release of bulk chemical warfare agents possibly stored there, which might have killed many more innocent people.

    I’m sorry but the facts seem to show that orange clown is a liar, fraud and remorseless mass- murdering war criminal.

  438. anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    White House has been pimping .
    It’s a brothel. He will fit right in . Gaffney and Pipes , Geller and Glick ( Jerusalem Post ) are there in spirit .

  439. APilgrim says:

    JUST-WAR THEORY

    The classic Just-War Theory has its origins in Christian theology. Bishop Augustine of Hippo is usually identified as the first individual to offer a theory on war and justice. Augustine referred to the Bible and regarded some wars as necessary to amend an evil. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, revised Augustine’s version, creating three criteria for a just war: the war needed to be waged by a legitimate authority, have a just cause, and have the right intentions. The moral justifications for a war are expressed in jus ad bellum; whereas, the moral conduct of the war is expressed in jus in bello. The Just-War Theory is a set of rules for military combat.

    So many topics are censored, in this thread, with non-existent consistency.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  440. @APilgrim

    Totally irrelevant to U.S. citizens’ experience to date since WW1, A(poplectic) Pilgrim discussed: “JUST-WAR THEORY.”

    (zzzZigh)

    Especially since post-9/11 False Flag attacks, Americans only get Unnecessary, Unjust, and Budget-Demolishing, Zionist GWOT.

  441. Talha says:

    Bishop Augustine of Hippo…Thomas Aquinas…moral justifications for a war…moral conduct of the war

    Uh hunh…

    Let me ask you; what good does it do to have this kind of knowledge and completely disregard it in one’s life? You have advocated for hurling nuclear bombs (moral conduct?) on Ankara because people in Turkey elected someone you don’t like (moral justification?)…

    My teachers have taught me that one of the worst forms of knowledge one can have is that which bears witness against its bearer. The Qur’an likens these kinds of people to donkeys carrying loads of books.

    Yeah, yeah – I know, I’m a poo-poo head and a Muhammadan – I typed that out to save you the time.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  442. RobinG says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Happy New Year, Phil.
    Maybe Webb’s “thing” about China will endear him to Trump?

    Secretary of Defense Jim Webb?
    The Democrat and scourge of foreign wars is drawing praise from many Trump supporters.
    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/secretary-of-defense-jim-webb/

    • Replies: @RobinG
  443. Ivan says:
    @APilgrim

    Mohamedans come up with deflections when it comes to the crimes committed by their confreres. If the Middle-East were not as f/ucked up by the Islamic religion as it is, it is a certainty that Jews, Zionists, Americans etc, would not have been able to inflict as much mayhem as they do, for the simple reason that the Islamic religion is all by itself a fount of violence, lies and mayhem.

    • Replies: @anon
  444. RobinG says:
    @RobinG

    From the above ….

    He [Jim Webb]asked in 2016: “How could one Republican presidential administration have made such an incredible strategic blunder as the invasion and occupation of Iraq, only to see the next Democratic administration make an equally strategic blunder—at least as bad, and possibly worse—by initiating what was called ‘the Arab Spring?’”

    And in The Federalist, by Mollie Hemingway –
    Jim Webb For Secretary Of Defense
    Unlike Rudy Guiliani or John Bolton, Webb is aligned with the best of Donald Trump’s foreign policy views. http://thefederalist.com/2016/11/15/jim-webb-for-secretary-of-defense/

  445. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Happy New Year, Uncle T., and As-Sakinah to you and yours.

    There are some good omens, including NYTimes exposing IDF lies –

    A Day, a Life: When a Medic Was Killed in Gaza, Was It an Accident?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/30/world/middleeast/gaza-medic-israel-shooting.html

    “The bullet that killed her, The Times found, was fired by an Israeli sniper into a crowd that included white-coated medics in plain view. A detailed reconstruction, stitched together from hundreds of crowd-sourced videos and photographs, shows that neither the medics nor anyone around them posed any apparent threat of violence to Israeli personnel. Though Israel later admitted her killing was unintentional, the shooting appears to have been reckless at best, and possibly a war crime, for which no one has yet been punished.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  446. RobinG suggested: “Jim Webb For Secretary Of Defense.”

    New Year’s Eve greetings, RobinG!

    Above, such happening would be great, promising!

    Nonetheless, and as you’re aware, decades have passed while Americans were strictly given a Jewish Lobby/M.I.C.-approved Secretary of Offense. So Go Webb, Trump, go Webb!

    Am a pessimistic optimist, RobinG, and Thanks & a Healthy New Year to Ron Unz, and (almost!) All U.R. regular-writers & commenters!

  447. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for that article Robin and a happy new year to you as well and many blessings in 2019!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  448. annamaria says:

    Dear Friends on the UNZ forum, Happy New Year!
    Peace, good health, and prosperity to you and your loved ones.

    • Agree: Talha, RobinG
    • Replies: @geokat62
  449. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Here’s another. 🙂

    Giuliani Says Assange Should Not Be Prosecuted
    https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/31/giuliani-says-assange-should-not-be-prosecuted/

    Donald Trump’s lawyer said on Monday that WikiLeaks publisher Julian Assange should not be prosecuted and he compared WikiLeaks publications to the Pentagon Papers.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @ChuckOrloski
  450. anon[337] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ivan

    ” We are not your problems . The Arabs are ” – Dancing Israelis .

    The Jews after masterminding 911 or for the benefit of doubt – just being fully aware ,being in the know for 10 months or more what’s going to happen on 911 , started on that very day to remind the victims to look for enemies to the areas and among the people the Jews have already located and have identified for the victims ( Americsn public ) .

    It is powerful . Why won’t be ? That’s normal human reaction. Any consolation,support,help,nice word, word of encouragement and endorsement of the behaviors of th victims – all of these- will resonate with the honest but shocked mind of the victims.
    Jews knows it.

    That trait has long been developing in Jews , trait of how to abuse ,how to take advantage of the shocked state of the minds .

    They carry that every where inkcuding in the comment section of UNZ . Here they directly and indirectly keep on reminding how bad Islam has been to Chrustendom every time the Jewish crimes get profiled by someone else.

    The Jews desperately try to be forgotten and forgiven ( think of the crimes committed by Perle and his fellow traveler , minions , and Zionist ancestors but forgiven by presidents only to come back and commit same crimes )

    But for the safety of the future generation for the safety of humanity , both Muslim and Chrustisn have to prevent another post 911 atmosphere or another post 2003 atmosphere .
    Enemies are not at the gate. They are inside. The enemy has roped Saudi Royal . This enemy will destroy Sunni Islam the way it has destroyed and dehumanized Christianity.

    The enemy is whispering in the ears of the Saudi Royal and also in the ears of the shell shocked refugees from Syria from Libya ” we are not your problem . It’s the Europeans , the Americans who don’t want you here ” while whispering in the ears of the Alt Rght ” Muslims are invading and destroying your culture ” while the high priest to who all those whisperers offer allegiance to, tell NATO ,tell USA to start new fight to create some more refugees .

    • Replies: @annamaria
  451. geokat62 says:

    I’ve previously posted a video by an individual that goes by the name, Johnny Gat.

    He does excellent work. Here’s his latest output.

    He starts the video by stating: “today, we are going to look at a foreign country that has been able to infiltrate the USA.”

    Much to my pleasure, Phil makes a cameo appearance in this video.

  452. @RobinG

    Hey RobinG!

    As you likely know, Rudy G. is extremely chameleonitic, complicit with the ordained 9/11 attacks & cover-up, and his political views blow along the course of the Adelson family windbags.

    Below is linked an old TAC article which I suggest ought “cool jets” especially for those who figure Julian Assange might get a ZUS “get outta jail” pass for civilized & internationally recognized moral reasons.

    Humbly, & as Assange was a featured guest on the Sean Hannity (Neocon) Show, I suggest it’s helpful to recall how no top level Israeli-exchange “Wikileaks” appeared while the I.D.F. “mowed the lawn.”

    https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/in-sheldon-adelson-far-right-israel-hits-the-jackpot-trum-miriam-netanyahu/

    Btw, RobinG, truly wish you a healthy New Year and as bonus, a Melkite prayer for a Tel Aviv-lessness, “D.C. Spring.”

  453. @geokat62

    Hey geokat!

    First impression is astonishment with how FoxNews went public with this report which should alert American citizens to Israelis’ sophisticated eavesdropping, collection & codificstion catastrophe.

    Fyi, and realizing the spooky & ubiquitous stigma upon the work of Christopher Bollyn, I did learn a percentage of the surveillance & control horror by reading his “Solving 9/11.”

    Prior to now, I had no exposure to Johnny Gat. Oh man, he’s a young and tough looking dude, geokat! A healthy & peaceful 2019, and thanks for posting “Hope,” & next I do Bud Lite, cans.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  454. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    A healthy & peaceful 2019

    Likewise, Chuck.

  455. @geokat62

    Hey geokat!

    Oops, think I might have compromised a B.D.S. imperative by admitting Bud Lite indulgences. Trust Budweiser is not owned by Israelis, geo?

    Also, regarding Phil’s “cameo” Johnny Gat appearance, & be it known that the following words are remote from a criticism, but I see he knows much more than he ain’t said here at U.R.

    So good health & peace be with P.G.,
    and may The Protection keep him because The Lobby knows we desperately need him.

  456. @geokat62

    Hey geokat!

    Oops, think I might have compromised a B.D.S. imperative by admitting Bud Lite indulgences. Trust Budweiser is not owned by Israelis, geo?

    Also, regarding Phil’s “cameo” Johnny Gat appearance, & be it known that the following words are remote from a criticism, but I see he knows much more than he ain’t said here at U.R.

    So good health & peace be with P.G.,
    and may The Protection keep him because The Lobby knows we desperately need him.

  457. Happy 2019 Y’All!

    Off to see the fireworks.

    May it remain an exercise for delight and not destruction.

  458. annamaria says:
    @anon

    Don’t forget to look at the opportunistic American X-tian in the highest echelons of power in the US. These X-tians have allowed the 9/11 to occur, at least; most likely, they were among the masterminds of the convenient trigger of the ongoing Middle East disaster, as well as a cover for the massive robbery within the Pentagon:
    Comment section of https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-31/martin-armstrong-exposes-dick-cheney-donald-rumsfeld-conspiracy

    The only way it was possible for a PASSENGER JET to crash into the Pentagon – the most heavily-defended building on earth, was for someone to STAND DOWN THE FIGHTER-JET INTERCEPTORS! And Cheney did it!
    At least, “passenger jet” was the official story. More likely it was a MISSILE.
    ——
    On September 11, 2001 **** Cheney stood down North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) fighter-jet interceptors. – On June 1, 2001 NORAD and Pentagon standing orders to shoot down errant or hijacked aircraft were revoked and replaced by a new order to stand down until they were given orders by the President, Vice President or Secretary of Defense. — copy of the order:
    ——
    … Cheney did 9/11 for private central-bank owners and blamed the Arabs, in order to make their enemies look like our enemies, so we would fight their wars of colnial financial expansion. And Bush was his side-kick.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  459. Sparkon says:
    @annamaria

    Happy New Year!

    There was probably no need for the Air Force to stand down on 9/11 for the simple reason that there were no hijacked airliners, just electronic spoofing during an exercise, and some bad actors who couldn’t even get their lines straight, like Betty Ong. That theory is underlined and bolstered by the remarkable absence of any true aircraft debris at any of the alleged 9/11 crash sites – WTC, Pentagon, or Shanksville.

    We would expect that the Pentagon — HQ of the world’s most powerful military — would be able to defend itself against any kind of attack, including missiles. “Be Prepared” is not just the Boy Scout motto. Indeed, squadrons of F-16 and F-18 fighters were based at nearby Andrews AFB, and could have been over and defending the Pentagon within minutes, yet the supposedly hijacked 757 of AA Flight 77 seemingly was allowed to wander around eastern US airspace with transponders off for close to an hour.

    Surely the Pentagon would have had extensive video surveillance systems in place to acquire imagery of any and all potential threats, but to my knowledge, there is no imagery showing any aircraft or missile approaching or impacting the Pentagon.

    Therefore, the simplest explanation is that a bomb was set off in or at the Pentagon, which comports with reports of some eyewitnesses on the scene on 9/11, such as

    Jamie Mcintryre, CNN correspondent

    “From my close-up inspection, there’s no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon.

    The only site, is the actual side of the building that’s crashed in. And as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.

    Even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed, that didn’t happen immediately. It wasn’t until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed.”

    It is true that CNN’s McIntyre did back away from his initial live report, and insisted later that he’d seen a few pieces of somewhat larger aircraft wreckage. Whatever the case, is it beyond the realm of possibility that the perpetrators who planted the bomb(s) also planted some evidence, like flattened utility poles, or a few relatively small scraps of aluminum?

    April Gallop, who was working in the Pentagon on 9/11, disputes the idea that any plane crashed into the building.

    She had assumed it was a bomb. Maybe even a bomb attached to her computer. She had pushed the button and the place had blown up.

    But an airplane?

    How could that be?

    It was an article of Army faith to her that she was working in the most secure building in the world. They had told her that over and over when she was transferred from Germany to the Pentagon in 2000, the days of briefings about air defenses, early warning systems, impregnable security. They said it couldn’t happen.

    And then it did happen, and since then she has wondered, “Where was the plane?” The scene is still vivid in her nightmares: rubble, yes, but no aircraft wreckage; smoke and flames, but no jet-fuel inferno.

    “I was 50 feet from the impact zone,” Gallop says. “The engine should have been in my lap.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html?utm_term=.90f42ab64a24

    ps. Your link points to a blank page

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Sparkon
  460. anon[538] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey you guys:

    Someone linked to this recent article by Aaron Maté in Nation mag:

    New Studies Show Pundits Are Wrong About Russian Social-Media Involvement in US Politics
    Far from being a sophisticated propaganda campaign, it was small, amateurish, and mostly unrelated to the 2016 election. DECEMBER 28, 2018

    https://www.thenation.com/article/russiagate-elections-interference/

    The title and subtitle pretty much speak for themselves: extensive data analysis indicated that Russian activity in the 2016 was minuscule; much of it was humorous, like the Russians are jerking the American chain.

    The report was intriguing insofar as it explains C Span’s decision to re-air an extended interview of Malcolm Nance and his cockamamie screed about the evils of Putin and the systemic attempts by Putin/Russia to subvert American democracy by meddling in the election.
    https://www.c-span.org/video/?456502-1/radio-after-words-malcolm-nance-plot-destroy-democracy

    C Span is a reliable mouthpiece for the Borg; call it Borg-central: if the elites who are running US political life want to get a message out, C Span is the hub of the propaganda network. A report like Maté’s, downplaying Russian involvement in US elections, had to be nipped in the bud.

    But what really interested me about the article in The Nation was this Comment to the article:

    Louis Proyect says:
    December 29, 2018 at 8:46 pm
    Actually, the main intervention from Russia and the one most worrisome is the propaganda machine operated by people such as Aaron Mate, Max Blumenthal, Stephen F. Cohen, Consortium News, UNZ Review, Global Research, et al. That’s something worth investigating.

    Ta-da!!
    Unz has arrived!
    And in great company.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  461. One Tribe says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold, you wrote,

    “Well you seem to be changing the subject.”

    Your apparent manipulation of the discussion by noticeable selective quotation strongly suggests a trend towards professional rhetoricism.

    The subject of this article, thus the subordinated subject of ensuing discussion in the comments section, is the apparent policy decision/implementation to withdraw U.S. forces from Syria (where they are illegally) and the adverse reaction from the ‘chickenhawks’ aka neo-cons, aka pro/firsters for … other than America.

    My position to appropriately subordinate the ‘universal Trump-hatred‘ from the assessment of the apparent policy decision of withdraw from Syria, and focus on the subject (withdraw from Syria and reaction which is intolerant of American international policy decisions which are better for citizens of the U.S.A.), you reject, and through moderately clever argument/deflection.

    This somewhat undermines your credibility for me, while at least you openly admit your agenda:
    Anyway, my point is that orange clown needs to be openly, incessantly criticized for his crimes, his dishonesty and his other moral failings.

    I believe that, were I among the affiliation of the architects which have created the dire and tenuous global tension, I would just love to have the focus of discussion on, what you describe as, orange clown, to deflect discussion from the real issue, which is systemic, and certainly not specific to the orange clown.

    This type of emotion-driven argument is the primary technique of the article-referenced chickenhawks.

    I conclude that you are part of this dissimilation program.

    If you are so intent on tracking down the mass-murders, it seems strange that you don’t mention the tie-in of the chickenhawks to the war-crimes and crimes against humanity which have been occurring with unabated regularity in Gaza and the West Bank.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  462. @anon

    If C-span is Borg-central, what do you call CNN? Borg-quarterback?

  463. anon[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sparkon

    he waited for clarity that wouldn’t come, not with the lengthening trail of official statements, not with the 9/11 Commission report, the DNA matches from the passengers of American Airlines Flight 77.

    She didn’t see a plane. They said it couldn’t happen. No one is taking responsibility.

    —–.

    Gallop joined a class-action lawsuit that accused Riggs Bank of laundering money for the terrorists, and another that named pages of defendants around the Muslim world, including Bin Laden. Both were dismissed.”https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/after-911-woman-who-was-at-pentagon-remains-skeptical/2011/08/10/gIQAUtQDGK_story.html?utm_term=.36ba4752bd2d

    Why did she sue BinLeden then ?

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  464. Sparkon says:
    @anon

    Beats me, if you mean Osama bin Laden. His name in the suit was merely one of many on “pages of defendants” for whom the bank was accused of laundering money. According to the article, Ms. Gallop has sued banks, airlines, and “the highest officials in the United States.” She seems at least a little desperate and may not always get the best legal advice, but this is a side issue and generally a distraction

    Irrespective of what this woman has done in the wake of 9/11, none of it has much bearing on the validity of her close-up, eye-witness accounts from the eye of the storm on Black Tuesday as an explosion ripped through her office at the Pentagon.

  465. @One Tribe

    “Your apparent manipulation of the discussion by noticeable selective quotation strongly suggests a trend towards professional rhetoricism.”

    You know something? The platitudinous inanity and self-indulgent prolixity of your magniloquent scatalogical ejecta – apparently reflective of a profound sapiential deficit – is exceeded only by your vaulting polemical ambitions and your exaggerated sense of amour propre.

    IOW I really can’t take you very seriously.

    • Replies: @One Tribe
  466. Well it’s beginning to look like the issue of orange clown’s withdrawal from Syria is another PR stunt, IMO, just like the last time.

    If I understand correctly, instead of a “rapid” withdrawal from Syria because ISIS was “destroyed,” as per the initial rhetoric, now the troops are going to be pulled out “slowly” because ISIS is not “destroyed” only “mostly done.” (And of course lots of unfortunate things can happen during the now extended withdrawal time frame).

    So orange clown makes another dramatic announcement, publicly giving himself credit for trying to follow through on his campaign promises (the man of character that he pretends to be) and then – aw, shucks – he gets talked out of it again, as usual.

    And the resignation of Mattis adds a nice touch. Perhaps the whole point of this latest Syria withdrawal vignette was to create a diversion; sort of a “fig leaf” to cover the long sought removal of Mattis (apparently so he can be replaced with an even more unreasonable person)?

  467. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

    — Julian Assange

    That 247 pound 30 ft. light pole didn’t leave a scratch on the hood of Lloyde England’s taxi cab either on the way in, or on the way out.

    No wonder Assange is annoyed.

  468. Erebus says:

    If one is still wondering what the fuss is about, Elijah Magnier lays it out in the article cited below. The balance of power in the Middle East has indeed been transformed, but in ways diametrically opposed to the Neocon Project for a New Middle East. Putin warned them in 2003 that they’ll create a new M.E. alright, but they ain’t gonna like it. In the event, 17 years later their Project has failed spectacularly, and has done life-threatening damage to the “International Liberal Order” (aka: Empire), and has impacted the American nation itself.

    Yet, their grip on power in DC remains, and self-criticism is anathema to them. Instead, they’ve gone hell-bent on doubling down to strangle the new M.E. in its crib.

    Magnier pulls a lot of apparently chaotic developments together into a coherent whole, and the whole article is well worth reading. He sums the situation, and ends the article with the following:

    Indeed the Levant is returning to the centre of Middle East and world attention in a stronger position than in 2011. Syria has advanced precision missiles that can hit any building in Israel. Assad also has an air defence system he would have never dreamed of before 2011 thanks to Israel’s continuous violation of its airspace and its defiance of Russian authority. Hezbollah has constructed bases for its long and medium range precision missiles in the mountains and has created a bond with Syria that it could never have established if not for the war. Iran has established a strategic brotherhood with Syria thanks to its role in defeating the regime change plan. NATO’s support for the growth of ISIS has created a bond between Syria and Iraq that no Muslim or Baathist link could ever have created: Iraq has a “carte blanche” to bomb ISIS locations in Syria without the consent of the Syrian leadership, and the Iraqi security forces can walk into Syria anytime they see fit to fight ISIS. The anti-Israel axis has never been stronger than it is today. That is the result of 2011-2018 war imposed on Syria.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2019/01/02/trump-bows-to-domestic-pressure-by-delaying-his-withdrawal-from-syria-a-storm-is-gathering-in-the-levant/

    The upshot is that whether Trump pulls out in 4 weeks or 4 months or even 4 years makes little difference strategically. However the individual trends play out, the overall trajectory is in place. Pull out he must. Accept the result of the Neocons’ strategic blunder, or commit to a regional war and hope that the chips fall on America’s side – a last ditch Hail Mary lunge at a receding brass ring.

    The whole of MENA is well along in understanding this. Despite the complexity of Turkey’s position, it’s coming around to understanding its place in the balance as well, and will act accordingly. Syria is the fulcrum for the 3-way balance that’s emerging between the GCC, Turkey and Iran. The Russian presence there is growing and entrenching itself. That both ensures that Syria remains the fulcrum, and that the three groups stay balanced.

    The likelihood of success in a regional war is small, the risks to US allies and the world economy eye-wateringly high, and everyone knows it. If the Russians are as committed to the emerging M.E. order as they appear to be, the likelihood of success converges on zero and everyone knows that too. America’s preeminence in the M.E. has been lost. The limits to its power, the extent of its crimes, and the vulnerability of all of its M.E. assets lie exposed by the Syrian war.

    Israel, ipso facto lies equally exposed. It has no staying power without blind American backing, and while Russia may not simply throw Israel under the bus, its support will be contingent on Israel’s good behaviour. I doubt the Zionists can comply, or even know what that means. To my eye, either a non-Zionist Israeli entity emerges, or the Israelis will have to fold their tents and disperse on yet another diaspora. One hopes that they leave enough of Israel’s physical assets behind that the Palestinians have a head start on rebuilding.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  469. @Erebus

    A truly amazing turn of events. When GWB, in a Freudian slip, accidentally used the term Crusade to describe the invasions of the ME, almost nobody would have thought that those inside the US Green Zone would eventually come to have so much in common with the besieged twelfth century Crusaders in their fortresses.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Erebus
  470. anoN[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Darryl Li quoted Nkrumah’s verdict that this is, “…the worst form of imperialism. For those who practice it, it means power without responsibility, and for those who suffer from it, it means exploitation without redress.”
    Nkrumah was deposed in a military coup orchestrated by the CIA the year after his words were published, but his critique remains, begging serious questions, “How long will the world tolerate this irresponsible form of empire?” Or even, ” Will we allow this ‘last stage of imperialism’ to be the last stage of our civilization?” https://original.antiwar.com/Nicolas_Davies/2019/01/02/the-hidden-structure-of-us-empire/

  471. @APilgrim

    No, Russia did almost all the work killing and expelling active armed islamists from Syria. It’s not clear that US troops did much in that regard at all.

  472. @NoseytheDuke

    No more Klinger option. Today dressing like a woman would get a man promoted in our “military.”

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  473. You’re probably right on that. I still think that military and police personnel should be contacted via social media to make them aware of many of the topics discussed here so that when the shit hits the fan, they will refuse orders to treat US citizens in the manner that they have treated their victims overseas, many if not most of them innocent of crimes against the US. I don’t hold out much hope for that but I think that it’s worth trying..

  474. Erebus says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I 2nd Talha. The Neocon deep-thinkers, in thrall to the “new realities” they were creating, paid no attention to the warning signals provided by the historical and present realities staring them in the face.

    As a consequence, we’ve watched America on a geo-political flight path akin to what aviators call a CFIT (Controlled Flight Into Terrain).

  475. A trillion dollars or so certainly doesn’t buy what it used to. That’s inflation for you…

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/iraq-rejects-iran-sanctions-and-us-troop-presence/5664707

  476. Erebus says:

    Instead of Trump’s “immediate” pull-out, the Empire’s gonna take a side trip. (Pun intended).

    The latest hemmin’ ‘n hawin’ tactic is to propose a “Sykes-Picot on acid” to the Turks, while petitioning the Kurds to back off their discussions with Damascus pending the Empire figuring out a strategy. They can’t and won’t. Chess? These guys are playing pin the tail on a donkey that ran away months ago.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-05/sykes-picot-acid-us-considering-syria-partition-plan-amidst-troop-exit

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  477. anonymoys says:
    @Erebus

    Maybe there is a lesson here for Mr Giraldi and others who were very excited with this “good news” -Syria Withdrawal-which was, of course, always a lie.

    A lie that everyone knew was a lie except those who are naîve (not Mr Giraldi), or those(for example, Mr. Giraldi, ) who believe in the 24/7 soap opera the MSM produce and bring to them for “free”.

    Moral: Politicians (liars) must not be believed even when they tell the truth.

  478. Erebus says:

    Syria Withdrawal-which was, of course, always a lie.

    What’s exciting about the “good news” is that Trump voiced it unmistakeably. In doing so, he cut the legitimacy out from under those he presumably knew would try to sabotage it. It was, in that sense, a pre-emptive maneuver, and not a simple lie.

    Every armchair analyst and their dog knows the US position in Syria has no basis in law, and is both militarily & politically untenable. Their position in Iraq will soon be similarly untenable.

    The tunnel-visioned ideologues that are twisting themselves in knots coming up with schemes that appear legitimate/coherent enough for Trump to sign off on them are making public fools of themselves. The Turks see them squirm, and will demand every imaginable concession from the US, concessions everyone knows they can’t deliver.

    The realities remain what they were. What’s left of ISIS is easily removed by the SAA. The Turks have no ability to take, never mind hold, NE Syria without air support that the Syrians/Russians won’t allow. They know a bloody war against Kurds will flow back into Turkey. The Turkish staff apparently know it, and several Generals appear to be lobbying heavily to stay out. The Kurds have ignored the US’ request to put their negotiations with Damascus on hold and reports say that progress is being made. Quite likely that the Kurds will join the SAA. The head-choppers in Idlib are at war with each other – 130 reported killed in the last couple of days – so Turkey has lost that as well. Their hopes to pull proxy fighters from there are falling apart. Bolton, Dunford and Jeffrey will came away from Ankara with nothing. Everybody now knows the US’ has no staying power in the Levant and it’s policies are driven by the political winds. All strategic developments will remain on course. IOW, the Americans can be ignored.

    So, the news remains good. Gotta wait a few weeks while Pompeo Maximus et al squirm from pillar to post, proving the untenability of staying to all (maybe even themselves) and we’ll be back to where we started. Time well squandered.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  479. anonymoys says:
    @Erebus

    “What’s exciting about the “good news” is that Trump voiced it unmistakeably. In doing so, he cut the legitimacy out from under those he presumably knew would try to sabotage it. It was, in that sense, a pre-emptive maneuver, and not a simple lie.”

    It has been called several things but I’ve never heard it being called ” a pre-emptive maneuver”.

    Congratulations! You can certainly work for Bill Clinton or Trump..

    Some people prefer calling it a lie. I think they are right.

    “Everybody now knows the US’ has no staying power in the Levant and it’s policies are driven by the political winds. All strategic developments will remain on course. IOW, the Americans can be ignored.”

    Unfortunately for those thousands of Syrians that will be killed and their families and loved ones, “Americans can’t be ignored.” You see, they don’t allow people to do that.

    “So, the news remains good”

    Sure..For you , your family , friends and loved ones. Good to know.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Erebus
  480. annamaria says:
    @anonymoys

    The US has been gifted (squandered) to military contractors, chunk by chunk.
    The US government became Cheney-ized & zionized and the country’s future was sold for the benefit of a bunch of scoundrels.

    On a different subject, the same shameless and parasitising lot is positioning itself for squeezing more pounds of flesh from the Middle East and specifically from the victims of the bloody supremacists’ policies implemented via US government and on US taxpayers dime: https://www.rt.com/news/448252-israel-compensation-jews-arab-states/

    Israel will demand $250 billion in compensation from seven Arab countries and Iran for assets left by Jews forced to flee after the creation of the State of Israel, in an effort to correct the “historic injustice” of the pogroms.

    The specific demands are being finalized for the first two of the eight countries, according to Hadashot TV news, which reported that Israel would seek $35 billion from Tunisia and $15 billion from Libya. Compensation will also be sought from Morocco, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Yemen and Iran.

    • Replies: @anonymoys
  481. Erebus says:
    @anonymoys

    … I’ve never heard it being called ” a pre-emptive maneuver”.

    You should read more, and what you don’t understand you should read again. Had you done so with my post, you would have noticed the qualifying phrase “in that sense” denoting that it may not have been literally a preemptive maneuver.

    Some people prefer calling it a lie. I think they are right.

    The Evac Order was signed, and sent to the Pentagon. Personnel even began moving out.
    So, what was the lie about? The call with Erdogan was real, and the agreement they came to was real. How could it be a lie, and to what purpose?

    For Trump’s announcement to be a lie, it would have to be part of a rather complex conspiracy whereby Trump makes public announcements he fully intends to back away from, and the Neocons, media and pundits make theirs, pretending to be vehemently opposed to each other. The the Neocons fly off to Turkey and Israel etc to pretend to make deals. Then Trump folds like he always intended to. That’s bizarre, frankly. Why would anyone think such a show would serve any purpose, least of all Trump’s?

    Unfortunately for those thousands of Syrians that will be killed and their families and loved ones, “Americans can’t be ignored.” You see, they don’t allow people to do that.

    What “thousands of Syrians” are you talking about? The days of flattening Raqqa are long gone. Americans haven’t been doing much killing lately in Syria. They’re not allowed to fly anymore, so bombing is out. I guess they could fire missiles from Iraq (Jordan won’t let them), but at what? They’re not gonna attack Damascus from Iraq with any more success than they had from the Med. They’ve been shut down, for all intents and purposes. Maybe they’ll fire off another ineffective salvo of Tomahawks from the Med, with body counts in maybe dozens, but that’s it. I actually think the USM is sufficiently embarrassed about the last two times they attacked that they don’t want to prove for the 3rd time that their stand-off capabilities have been trumped. (ahem)

    If a couple of 1000 Americans sit in their bases for a month or two more waving their flags, nobody will die except where the SAA et al are forced into workarounds to avoid killing Americans. There’s Russians now embedded in every SAA formation, so they won’t be attacked. Their staying is all about being present should a political opportunity present itself. It won’t. The Coalition has a plan and is driving the bus, so they’re strategically irrelevant.

    Congratulations! You can certainly work for Bill Clinton or Trump.

    Calm yourself, and re-read my post. Or, at least re-read this one before replying.

  482. anonymoys says:
    @annamaria

    Thank you annamaria.

    What I find interesting in the article is that RT lost an excellent opportunity to inform its readers.

    “In 2010, Israel passed a law which states that any peace deal must provide for compensation for Jews forced to flee Arab countries and Iran.”

    RT certainly knows who -through several false flags operations- forced jews to flee arab countries.

    And as far as I know iranian jews are still in Iran…in spite of several attempts to convince them to abandon their country -Iran.

    “…in an effort to correct the “historic injustice” of the pogroms.”

    Isn’t bizarre that Russia isn’t on the list ?

    Is it because correcting the “historic injustice” is limited only to arab countries and iran ?

    Why are the being so humble, so modest, so reasonable ?

    Shouldn’t they pass a law to correct the “historic injustice” of the pogroms in all countries of the world starting with usa ?

  483. “For Trump’s announcement to be a lie, it would have to be part of a rather complex conspiracy whereby Trump makes public announcements he fully intends to back away from, and the Neocons, media and pundits make theirs, pretending to be vehemently opposed to each other.”

    Welcome to the “Trump” administration, where the audience can take ABSOLUTELY NOTHING they see or hear at face value.

    “The the Neocons fly off to Turkey and Israel etc to pretend to make deals. Then Trump folds like he always intended to. That’s bizarre, frankly.”

    Well it’s no more bizarre than Assad serially “gassing his own people” or the “underwear bomber” somehow boarding an international flight with neither a passport nor a security check; or Lucky Larry Silverstein’s dermatology appointment that saved his life; or the Boston Marathon bombers who were smart enough to be able to build a “sophisticated” detonator but so stupid as to use the worst possible explosive in their “pressure cooker bomb”; or mass-murderer extraordinaire “Adam Lanza” who was somehow able to blow his brains out with a 10 mm handgun without even messing up his hat (except for the clean bullet hole) or the surrounding floor. BTW hasn’t orange clown folded on almost everything of importance so far?

    What would be unrealistically bizarre in my view is the idea that orange clown woke up one morning in a temporary lapse of unreasonableness and decided to do the right thing for a change, without even a thought to consulting his handlers.

    “Why would anyone think such a show would serve any purpose, least of all Trump’s?”

    (1) As I mentioned in an earlier comment, the “I’m pulling out of Syria” vignette might have been a “fig leaf” for the planned firing of Mattis; and (2) in the eyes of the 4D chess theorists and other diehard orange clown supporters, e.g., Paul Craig Roberts, the whole thing is more evidence that orange clown sincerely means well and really, really, really, really, really wants to do right by his supporters and follow through on his campaign promises (and but for that damn irresistible interventionist sophistry he would).

  484. Erebus says:

    … it’s no more bizarre than Assad serially “gassing his own people”… or mass-murderer extraordinaire “Adam Lanza” who was somehow able to blow his brains out with a 10 mm handgun without even messing up his hat (except for the clean bullet hole) or the surrounding floor.

    It’s quite a bit more bizarre actually. All of those lies you listed have a motive that benefited the liar(s). How does Trump, or America, or the Empire benefit from the pull-out fiasco?
    – It’s put every one of the participants in this “drama” in the worst possible light.
    – It’s made him look as un-Presidential as possible.
    – It’s made insubordination an apparently acceptable SOP within the his Administration.
    – It’s wiped out any trust America had left in the M.E., especially with the Kurds who are the lynchpin of the joint US-IL plan for a new M.E.
    – Likewise with the UK and France who have troops there.
    – Makes every security organization around the world take note of American perfidy, and…
    – To top it off sets them up for an even more ignominious ending when they inevitably pull out.
    WTF?

    The “lie” bought them Mattis’ resignation? By flip-flopping to Mattis’ position? Now that really is bizarre.

    … the whole thing is more evidence that orange clown sincerely means well and really, really, really, really, really wants to do right by his supporters…

    If you think this theatre is about keeping his support base in thrall, you’ll have to explain why the Neocons give a damn about his base, or how this keeps the Deplorables in their chairs instead of going into the streets to support their man in the WH. If I see a man I hired to do a job getting stymied at every turn, I give him the support he needs to overcome the obstacles. If I see him pretend, or fail to do his job, I fire him. Why are the Deplorables so different?

    In another thread, I said (edited):
    “Who and what he really is is not the issue for me. Shallow, narcissistic buffoon, 4D Chess player, or oscillating in the spectrum between them, the effect is what we see, and what we see is American leadership of the “world order” take an abrupt turn off the road it was on. Not to mention what we’ve seen happen domestically, which again is not really an issue for me except to the extent it impacts international affairs.”

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  485. @Erebus

    “It’s quite a bit more bizarre actually. ”

    Actually no it isn’t.

    “All of those lies you listed have a motive that benefited the liar(s). ”

    Not quite. How did the Sandy Hook scam “benefit” the liars? How did the Boston Marathon bombing “benefit” the liars? They do what they do because they’re evil, not because of what some third party (e.g. you) might subjectively deem as somehow “beneficial” to them.

    “How does Trump, or America, or the Empire benefit from the pull-out fiasco?”

    Actually “benefit” is not a good choice of words here, because everything that “Trump” “America” (whatever that exactly is) and/or the Empire do are ultimately self-destructive. All we can do is speculate as to motive.

    And as I already endeavored to point out to you, possible motives for the pull-out fiasco include: (1) the creation of a pretext for the constructive termination of Mattis; and (2) orange clown trying to redeem himself in the eyes of people who see him as a complete fraud.

    “It’s put (sic) every one of the participants in this “drama” in the worst possible light.”

    In your highly subjective opinion, that is. As a practical matter how much lower can public opinion of Bolton (and Pompeo) get, for example? Apparently they put Bolton where he is PRECISELY BECAUSE he’s such an asshole (and generally recognized as such). They apparently govern by what I call “disingenuous dialectics.” Moreover, how do you know that “Trump” isn’t trying to implement Nixon’s “madman” theory at least to a certain extent? Some of Trump’s behavior (e.g., attacking Syria with missiles while hosting Xi Jinping and eating cake) seems to suggest that he wants to be seen as “unstable”; some kind of “a loose cannon.”

    “It’s made him look as un-Presidential as possible.”

    LOL! I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but everything “Trump” has done since the inauguration makes him look “un-Presidential.” That’s how “Trump” apparently wants it.

    “– It’s made insubordination an apparently acceptable SOP within the his Administration.”

    Seriously? What about Bolton having Meng Wanzhou arrested in Canada while his boss was engaged in high level trade talks with Xi Jinping? And then Trump subsequently claiming he knew nothing about it? And then Trump subsequently not firing Bolton or even reprimanding him for the alleged blunder? You may claim it’s inappropriate, but I have to point out that’s how the “Trump” administration works. I call it government by disingenuous dialectics; i.e., Bolton was acting like an asshole because Bolton is an asshole, and Bolton is expected to act like an asshole so that when some particular dirty work needs to be done, Bolton does it, because he’s such an asshole, and Trump is portrayed as a hapless innocent bystander.

    You haven’t been paying attention? The “Trump” administration apparently governs by what I call “disingenuous dialectics.” What about the “insubordination” of Bolton having the Chinese vice

    “– It’s wiped out any trust America had left in the M.E., especially with the Kurds who are the lynchpin of the joint US-IL plan for a new M.E.”

    Seriously? First, let’s not pretend that “America” had any credibility in the first place. Anyone who puts their trust in America – especially the Kurds and especially under the present circumstances – does so at their own risk, obviously. Second, being that the troops have not been pulled out of Syria, and being that they apparently will not be pulled out any time soon, why should the Kurds opinion of “American” credibility be any different now than it was a month ago?

    “-Makes every security organization around the world take note of American perfidy, and…”

    ROTFLMAO! Now you’re just being silly.

    “The ‘lie’ bought them Mattis’ resignation?”

    Unless Mattis has “un-resigned,” apparently yes.

    “By flip-flopping to Mattis’ position? Now that really is bizarre.”

    LOL! Well of course it’s “bizarre,” (to a reasonable person who’s paying close attention to what’s going on) just like everything else. What were you expecting in Trump, a paragon of virtue and reason?

    Anyway, maybe you haven’t noticed, but many Trump supporters, e.g., Paul Craig Roberts, Justin Raimondo, etc., seem to be judging Trump (and telling us that we should also be judging Trump the same way) not by what he actually does, or fails to do, but by what Trump claims he wants to do; his “intent” is what matters most. And unfortunately, as we can all see, Trump is all about posturing; disingenuous rhetoric.

    So Trump claims he “wants” to pull out of Syria as per his campaign promises and we’re told Mattis “wants” to stay; thus for the people preparing dinner while paying slight attention to the talking heads on CNN, it probably makes perfect sense; Mattis’ view of Syria disagrees with Trump’s view of Syria so Mattis resigns. It’s simple and elegant; any details beyond that are irrelevant to the masses.

    “If you think this theatre is about keeping his support base in thrall, you’ll have to explain why the Neocons give a damn about his base, or how this keeps the Deplorables in their chairs instead of going into the streets to support their man in the WH.”

    I’m sorry but I really don’t understand what you’re getting at with this.

    “If I see a man I hired to do a job getting stymied at every turn, I give him the support he needs to overcome the obstacles. If I see him pretend, or fail to do his job, I fire him. Why are the Deplorables so different?”

    Simple; because in general they’re morally incompetent, and morally incompetent people need propaganda. They need an excuse. None of this theater is designed/intended to fool reasonable people.

  486. peterAUS says:
    @Harold Smith

    …in general they’re morally incompetent, and morally incompetent people need propaganda.They need an excuse.

    You could be onto something here.

    The fact is that Trump has not been doing what he promised to his support base.
    What is,for me at least, still puzzling is his base lethargy in doing anything about it.

    I’ve been told several times here that they do not show, in public, their discontent. They vote and that’s it.
    Or public show (like massive demonstrations) isn’t their way. Or it can’t work. Or whatever.

    Sounds shallow. Or, if true, stupid.

    And, in this world, stupid people get taken for ride. Always.

  487. @Harold Smith

    How did the Sandy Hook scam “benefit” the liars?

    They require gun control to implement the final phase of their long term planning and incidents such as Sandy Hook help to build public support for gun control.

    How did the Boston Marathon bombing “benefit” the liars?

    They require the constant threat of “terror” incidents to create fear, one of the most potent tools in their toolkit.

    This is elementary stuff and I could go on…

  488. You’re confusing motive and benefit.

    It’s reasonable to speculate that “gun control” was the motive behind the Sandy Hook scam, for example, but what actual “benefit” did they get from it for all the trouble they put themselves through? Not much, as far as I can see.

    And it seems the harder they push “gun control” for example the more it slips away from them. In fact they’ve inadvertently created a whole new industry which completely undermines their efforts; the 80% receiver/frame industry. For $150 and a few hours of work, anybody can have a Glock 19 (or 17) frame, without a serial number or paperwork. And for less than half that amount anyone can have a nice AR15 lower receiver. (Thanks Feinstein et al., it’s a great hobby).

    And how did the Boston Marathon “bombing” actually “benefit” them? Okay so they terrorized the town for a few days and blamed it on their patsies; so what? In a sense they’ve created something tantamount to a national social movement dedicated to debunking their false-flag BS. I would say they’re well into the realm of diminishing returns, IMO.

    Generally speaking, it seems that their inherent evil gets in the way of their calculated evil and the inevitable result is failure. Syria is a good example. They attacked Syria, the apparent motive being to overthrow the government and install a puppet government, and what happened? The people rallied around Assad, they brought Russia, Hezbollah and Iran into Syria, and now, unlike before, Syria has a respectable air-defense capability and a battle-hardened army. How did they “benefit”?

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  489. Erebus says:
    @Harold Smith

    “All of those lies you listed have a motive that benefited the liar(s). ”

    Not quite. How did the Sandy Hook scam “benefit” the liars?

    You’re mincing words. All motives are directed to a perceived benefit. The “scam” may or may not succeed in gaining the intended benefit, but failure does not denote lack of motive or intent.

    So Trump claims he “wants” to pull out of Syria as per his campaign promises and we’re told Mattis “wants” to stay; thus for the people preparing dinner while paying slight attention to the talking heads on CNN, it probably makes perfect sense; Mattis’ view of Syria disagrees with Trump’s view of Syria so Mattis resigns. It’s simple and elegant; any details beyond that are irrelevant to the masses.

    This is where your word mincing schtick falls apart. A vastly simpler explanation follows:

    To whit:
    – Trump didn’t just voice a desire to pull out. He declared that America is pulling out and (we’re told) he duly signed an order to that effect, which was duly sent to the Pentagon. You may note that there’s a chasm’s worth of de facto & de jure difference between expressing a wish, even by a President, and executing a formal/legal order that no amount of word mincing covers adequately.

    – Mattis didn’t resign because he “disagreed with Trump’s view”. That would be silly, as they’ve been known to disagree on many things. He resigned because in his capacity as the Sec. of Defence, he would have to execute an order he disagreed strongly with. He specifically suggested that Trump get a Sec. of Defence that will execute that order.

    – Faced with a public barrage of arguments against withdrawal from all quarters, Trump dilutes the order by, you guessed it, mincing words. His dilution betrays his inability to withstand political, and perhaps other, pressure.

    Now, what I can’t understand is why you think a convoluted, orchestrated pantomime that (as told by yourself) fails to reflect the most salient of the known facts is needed to explain Mattis’ resignation, or the whole withdrawal fiasco? So the sheeple can have an “excuse”? Given that one of Trump’s election platforms was “withdrawal” from useless wars, why wouldn’t the simpler story work just as well? Why do you think it would take an elaborately fabricated pantomime to explain Mattis’ resignation, rather than the simpler, probably more factual, one?

    Parenthetically, failing to enforce his own Presidential order is what makes Trump look “un-Presidential” to international elites. They don’t give a shit about his personality. Narcissistic, shallow, incoherent, sexist, hedonistic, bombastic, clownish, etc, etc may make him look un-Presidential to you, but they don’t to those who wield power. For them, the only question is does he wield Presidential and American power effectively? Can he bend his political adversaries, as well as America’s allies and enemies to his will? This fiasco, more than any other in his term so far, showed the world he doesn’t and can’t.

  490. You’re mincing words. All motives are directed to a perceived benefit. The “scam” may or may not succeed in gaining the intended benefit, but failure does not denote lack of motive or intent.

    LOL! You’re the one “mincing words.” (Earlier you said “benefit” now it’s “perceived benefit”? Well I suppose it’s somewhat better with the qualifier, so I guess you agree with me?) My point was that when dealing with certain subject matter such the irrational acts of evil people, you very often cannot speak of a “benefit” as if it were something obvious or amenable to your perception. For example, how did Charles Manson “benefit” from the Tate-LaBianca murders? It’s impossible to say. All you can often say is that evil people do what they do because they’re evil, and that point cannot be overemphasized, IMO.

    So Trump claims he “wants” to pull out of Syria as per his campaign promises and we’re told Mattis “wants” to stay; thus for the people preparing dinner while paying slight attention to the talking heads on CNN, it probably makes perfect sense; Mattis’ view of Syria disagrees with Trump’s view of Syria so Mattis resigns. It’s simple and elegant; any details beyond that are irrelevant to the masses.

    This is where your word mincing schtick falls apart. A vastly simpler explanation follows:

    To whit:
    – Trump didn’t just voice a desire to pull out. He declared that America is pulling out and (we’re told) he duly signed an order to that effect, which was duly sent to the Pentagon. You may note that there’s a chasm’s worth of de facto & de jure difference between expressing a wish, even by a President, and executing a formal/legal order that no amount of word mincing covers adequately.

    First, are you just dishonestly pretending that my point went over your head, or are you just ignorant and stupid? Second, are you just dishonestly pretending that the departure of U.S. troops from Syria is imminent i.e., that the issue has not been “walked back” and qualified and obfuscated to the point of meaninglessness, or are you just ignorant and stupid? BTW you may note that there’s a chasm’s worth of de facto & de jure difference between what orange clown says, and what orange clown actually does.

    – Mattis didn’t resign because he “disagreed with Trump’s view”. That would be silly, as they’ve been known to disagree on many things. He resigned because in his capacity as the Sec. of Defence, he would have to execute an order he disagreed strongly with. He specifically suggested that Trump get a Sec. of Defence that will execute that order.

    ROTFL! Seriously? You’re going to make me waste time pointing out the sheer idiocy, dishonesty and/or ignorance of that statement?

    First, it obviously wasn’t my intent in making the above quoted statement to give a rigorous analysis of the situation; I was merely speaking from the perspective of an average person who’s just casually paying attention, catching bits and pieces of relevant “news” from the talking heads on their TeeVee set, and forming an opinion; that’s all.

    Second, the “many things” Mattis disagreed with Trump about he presumably did so in his capacity as Sec of Defense, right? (Your incoherent verbosity is becoming burdensome, and it doesn’t do anything for your argument).

    Third, you claim Mattis resigned because “he would have to execute an order he disagreed strongly with”. If that’s the case then why did he do it? If he’s leaving shortly anyway, and he feels so strongly about it on principle why did he sign the order? Just like the rest of your nonsense, it doesn’t make much sense.

    On the contrary, according to “The Hill” Mattis resigned because his “views aren’t in line with Trump’s“:

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/422373-mattis-resigns-says-views-not-in-line-trump

    – Faced with a public barrage of arguments against withdrawal from all quarters, Trump dilutes the order by, you guessed it, mincing words. His dilution betrays his inability to withstand political, and perhaps other, pressure.

    LOL! You insist that we consider the latest Syria withdrawal affair in a contextual vacuum. Well I’m sorry to disturb your fantasy with some unfortunate facts, but the “public barrage of arguments against [moving the embassy to Jerusalem] from all quarters” didn’t stop orange clown from doing it, right? And the “public barrage of arguments against [repudiating the JCPOA agreement with Iran] from all quarters” didn’t stop orange clown from doing that either, right? You’re just making another self-serving bare assertion here. IOW you’re simply full of shit, and lacking a cogent argument, you’re taking some of that shit and throwing it at the wall, hoping some of it sticks.

    Now, what I can’t understand is why you think a convoluted, orchestrated pantomime that (as told by yourself) fails to reflect the most salient of the known facts is needed to explain Mattis’ resignation, or the whole withdrawal fiasco?

    First, your word salads are becoming increasingly bizarre. Second, your lack of “understanding” seems to be rooted in your studious rejection of relevant historical and political context and your apparent inability to make a distinction between anything which could reasonably be deemed a “known fact” and a completely unjustifiable, self-serving bare assertion. Third, according to the NY Times:

    President Trump said on Wednesday that he had ‘essentially’ fired Defense Secretary Jim Mattis last month because he was dissatisfied with Mr. Mattis’s performance in the top civilian job at the Pentagon.”

    How do you explain that statement?

    So we have Mattis claiming (in his letter of resignation):

    Because you have a right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.

    We have orange clown claiming he fired Mattis:

    “‘Gen. Mattis was so thrilled,’ Trump said of the funding. ‘But what’s he done for me? How’s he done in Afghanistan? Not too good. Not too good. I’m not too happy with what he’s done in Afghanistan, and I shouldn’t be happy.’

    ‘I wish him well. I hope he does well,’ Trump added. ‘But as you know, President Obama fired him, and essentially so did I.”

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/423545-trump-claims-he-essentially-fired-mattis-knocks-us-military-strategy

    And finally we have you claiming that Mattis resigned exclusively because “he would have to execute an order he disagreed strongly with” (which he signed anyway).

    In light of the above, the only explanation that makes any sense is my explanation. You’re obviously wrong; why not just accept that you’re wrong and move on?

  491. @Erebus

    Parenthetically, failing to enforce his own Presidential order is what makes Trump look “un-Presidential” to international elites. They don’t give a shit about his personality. Narcissistic, shallow, incoherent, sexist, hedonistic, bombastic, clownish, etc, etc may make him look un-Presidential to you, but they don’t to those who wield power.

    ROTFLMAO! Is that what Vladimir Putin and Xi Jinping told you on the phone? They don’t have a problem with a nuclear armed madman holed up in the White House? They don’t have a problem with the moral equivalent of Charles Manson holding what is probably the most powerful political office in the world? They don’t have a problem with his serial provocations and his war crimes and his threats and his shameless dishonesty and his trashing of the framework of nuclear arms control?

    For them, the only question is does he wield Presidential and American power effectively? Can he bend his political adversaries, as well as America’s allies and enemies to his will? This fiasco, more than any other in his term so far, showed the world he doesn’t and can’t.

    Well he fired a cruise missile barrage at the Shayrat airbase in Syria – a gratuitous, reckless war crime – for which he endured no political or legal repercussions; he moved the embassy to Jerusalem; he repudiated the JCPOA agreement with Iran; and now he’s preparing to withdraw from the INF treaty with Russia. So it seems that you’re clearly demonstrably wrong again, as usual.

  492. @Harold Smith

    And you are twisting away like Chubby Checker. The “liar’s” goal is obviously global control and domination so gun control would facilitate that end in the US but the tipping point has yet to be reached in bringing people around. The benefit would be the eventual realisation of that.

    Fear is a powerful tool being used to achieve that goal as the September 11 attacks proved and the Boston Marathon “bombings” were simply a reinforcement of that in much the same way as a 15 second advertising spot may be used to reinforce the message that an earlier campaign using a 30 second spot established.

    You’ve implied that those driving the events are stupid and incompetent whereas I would say that they are ruthless, cunning and very smart. That they have also made mistakes is clear and over-reach is in their DNA. Their timeline has been upset by unexpected resistance in Iraq and Syria coupled with the re-emergence of a powerful Russia and China but the goal is a longterm one and setbacks will not deter them, they will simply try another tack.

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  493. @NoseytheDuke

    And you are twisting away like Chubby Checker. The “liar’s” goal is obviously global control and domination so gun control would facilitate that end in the US but the tipping point has yet to be reached in bringing people around. The benefit would be the eventual realisation of that.

    I tried to explain things in an earlier comment, but apparently it went over your head. I’m sorry, but the fact that you don’t understand plain English reflects poorly on you, not on me.

    But let me try one more time before giving up; maybe if I put it a little differently it’ll help?

    If you didn’t know a priori how the perpeTRAITORS work and what their ultimate goal was, you very likely wouldn’t suggest that it was all about a gun control agenda – based only on the Sandy Hook scam by itself (and its aftermath).

    I claim it didn’t benefit the gun control agenda at all; in fact I claim that if anything, it actually hurt their efforts because: (1) they’ve caused an awakening of sorts; something akin to a social movement seems to have evolved where the perps’ every fabulistic gaffe becomes an internet meme; and (2) AR15s and Ar15 parts are now cheaper, more plentiful, and easier to build at home than ever before, more so than just a few years ago.

    In light of this I claim that Sandy Hook wasn’t actually about gun control at all, but an experiment in mass psychology. Our masters have been dumbing us down for decades, the goal being to make us like cattle, and Sandy Hook was merely a test to see how the program is coming along.

    You disagree? Then prove me wrong.

    You’ve implied that those driving the events are stupid and incompetent whereas I would say that they are ruthless, cunning and very smart.

    No I haven’t. They do what they do because they’re evil; a concept that is simply beyond your ability to grasp.

    That they have also made mistakes is clear and over-reach is in their DNA.

    It’ called “evil.” And inherent to evil are the flaws that ultimately destroy it. This is why empires fall, for example. If you had a clue about the nature of evil you’d understand what I’m saying.

    Maybe this will help a little bit with the concept:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/PfDwxWIzGHJ4/

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  494. @Harold Smith

    Duh! Of course they are evil, that goes without saying but you stated that they do it because they are evil and Erebus made the valid point that they do it because they have an agenda, because they stand to gain something which can also be referred to as a benefit. Gun control is a vital prt of that and Sandy Hook was just one of many incidents towards that.

    That achieving the long term and multi-generational goal requires evil deeds to be done is secondary to the goal and anyway, evil is a judgement and what you or I see as evil others may see as simply necessary. Was it Machiavelli who stated that most men see the world as they would like it to be rather than what it really is?

  495. Well by now I honestly wish that I never mentioned “evil” anywhere in this discussion; it was a serious mistake. Not because it’s not relevant, but because just like Bill Pierce had to do a lot of talking to make his audience understand the meaning of the phrase “Jews, do what they do because they’re Jews,” it would likewise take a lot of explanation for many people to understand where I’m coming from when I say something like “they do what they do because they’re evil.”

    So I’ll just drop the subject and hope it ends here.

  496. @Erebus

    Now, what I can’t understand is why you think a convoluted, orchestrated pantomime that (as told by yourself) fails to reflect the most salient of the known facts is needed to explain Mattis’ resignation, or the whole withdrawal fiasco? So the sheeple can have an “excuse”? Given that one of Trump’s election platforms was “withdrawal” from useless wars, why wouldn’t the simpler story work just as well? Why do you think it would take an elaborately fabricated pantomime to explain Mattis’ resignation, rather than the simpler, probably more factual, one?

    I just came across some of orange clown’s tweets from 2013 that I almost forgot about and I thought they might be helpful here.

    Clearly, orange clown went out of his way to make everyone think he was opposed to U.S. military intervention in Syria, wouldn’t you say? And upon being inaugurated, with a mandate to make good on his promises and cut the interventionism and bloody imperial bullshit, he had the perfect chance to actually get out of Syria. Yet instead of withdrawing, he IMMEDIATELY escalated. Contrary to everything he said, he wasted no time in increasing the U.S. military footprint in Syria.

    You ask:

    “Given that one of Trump’s election platforms was “withdrawal” from useless wars, why wouldn’t the simpler story work just as well?”

    Because it’s clear that orange clown is a liar and a consummate fraud who is not acting in good faith on Syria (or anything else); that’s why. It’s that damn historical context that messes it all up for the perfidious orange clown. He had the perfect chance to withdraw from Syria two years ago and he squandered it, betraying us all. Why, he even took a shot at trying to start a war with Russia over it. Not only did the evil clown escalate, he was willing to risk planetary extinction to teach that “animal” Assad a lesson.

    So here we are in 2019 and now the pathetic con man is probably starting to think about the next election – thus the hollow rhetoric about wanting to fulfill his prior campaign promises – and he seeks to blame his betrayals and failures on someone else, just like he’s done his whole life; so it’s all Mattis’ fault.

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  497. Erebus says:
    @Harold Smith

    “Given that one of Trump’s election platforms was “withdrawal” from useless wars, why wouldn’t the simpler story work just as well?”

    Because it’s clear that orange clown is a liar and a consummate fraud who is not acting in good faith on Syria (or anything else); that’s why.

    That, and the rest of what you’ve typed reflects a Marvel Comics level of analysis.

    Gareth Porter’s article may help put some connectable dots in place for you. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-scores-breaks-generals-50-year-war-record-syria-mattis-dunford/

    Thinking that he…

    … had the perfect chance to withdraw from Syria two years ago and he squandered it…

    … belies a poverty of understanding of the difficulties of reforming large, complex organizations with entrenched bureaucracies generally, and particularly in the case of the grotesquely bloated State Dept-MIC juggernaut.

    Obviously, time will tell, but it increasingly looks like you’re wrong on the matter. Even Israeli outlets like Jerusalem Post seem to have resigned themselves to reality, and are quoting Israeli defence officials confirming US withdrawal and even saying that the US will abandon al-Tanf.

  498. @Erebus

    “That, and the rest of what you’ve typed reflects a Marvel Comics level of analysis.”

    Which would be way over your head, goofball.

    “Thinking that he…had the perfect chance to withdraw from Syria two years ago and he squandered it…belies a poverty of understanding of the difficulties of reforming large, complex organizations with entrenched bureaucracies generally, and particularly in the case of the grotesquely bloated State Dept-MIC juggernaut.”

    ROTFLMAO! So this is why he attacked the Shayrat airbase in Syria for example? Because the “large, complex organizations with entrenched bureaucracies” somehow even control his mouth, his hands and his twitter account”?

    You’re simply full of shit, and lacking any kind of a cogent argument in support of your childishly absurd nonsense, you take some of the stinky shit that you’re full of and throw it at the wall, hoping that some of it sticks. Sorry junior but it’s not sticking.

    Now why don’t you run along and get back to your Talmudic studies before your mommy finds out you’re at the computer again.

  499. @Erebus

    Obviously, time will tell, but it increasingly looks like you’re wrong on the matter. Even Israeli outlets like Jerusalem Post seem to have resigned themselves to reality, and are quoting Israeli defence officials confirming US withdrawal and even saying that the US will abandon al-Tanf.

    First, if I’m “wrong” on the matter then so are you, right Chumpy? After all, you earlier claimed that:

    Faced with a public barrage of arguments against withdrawal from all quarters, Trump dilutes the order by, you guessed it, mincing words. His dilution betrays his inability to withstand political, and perhaps other, pressure.

    And:

    Parenthetically, failing to enforce his own Presidential order is what makes Trump look “un-Presidential” to international elites…For them, the only question is does he wield Presidential and American power effectively? Can he bend his political adversaries, as well as America’s allies and enemies to his will? This fiasco, more than any other in his term so far, showed the world he doesn’t and can’t.

    Second, how do you know that he’s not going to do only a partial withdrawal, say enough for a disingenuous self-serving photo op; or perhaps he plans on replacing the troops with mercenaries; or perhaps as he’s withdrawing, he’s planning a false-flag attack or some other scheme to provide political cover to reintroduce the troops; or perhaps he’s withdrawing the troops because he plans to attack Iran in the near future and he feels they’re vulnerable where they are?

    Finally, you just said that he couldn’t withdraw from Syria earlier (soon after being inaugurated) because:

    “of the difficulties of reforming large, complex organizations with entrenched bureaucracies generally, and particularly in the case of the grotesquely bloated State Dept-MIC juggernaut.”

    So what happened? How come all of a sudden he can withdraw now in the face of “a public barrage of arguments against withdrawal from all quarters” (according to you) but he couldn’t do it two years ago? The “entrenched bureaucracy” that stopped him before (according to you) has now suddenly disappeared? Seriously? How do you get to have it both ways, junior?

  500. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    American leaders have offered a range reasons for the great investment of American blood and treasure in the region: to replace dictatorships with democracies, to enhance the rule of law, to support allied governments and to fight terrorism.
    But for some scholars of the region, the concrete benefits of all that engagement pale in comparison to the size of the American efforts.
    “When you look at the cost-benefit analysis, there is a limited payoff,
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/world/middleeast/syria-withdraw-mideast-us.html

    No where it is mentioned by NYT that US has been warring an invading ME for Israel. Despite Tony Blair saying so , despite Condolezza Rice saying so, despite Hillary Clinton saying so, despite AIPAC asking US to attack Iraq and Syria , despite entire Jewish DNA library being focused on attacking Iran and promoting US to do so before yesterday for years.
    And Payoff? What the [payoff of giving the money and arms free to Israel?

  501. RobinG says:
    @Erebus

    Kudos to you for endurance. The superficial trolling (like H.S.) is often the longest winded, lol.

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  502. Erebus says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for the kudos, but the HSs of the world put up too attractive a foil to resist. I’ve got one more salvo left in me before I leave him to his reveries. BTW, I don’t find the long-windedness nearly as annoying as the rampant, deliberate misconstruing of what one actually wrote, but one takes one’s foils where one can get ’em.

    Anyway, I think this ongoing withdrawal imbroglio is an important development that exposed much of what has been going on under the bedsheets for the last 2 years. With that, we can see more clearly how the future will develop.

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