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The media is doing its best to make the Seth Rich story go away, but it seems to have a life of its own, possibly due to the fact that the accepted narrative about how Rich died makes no sense. In its Iatest manifestation, it provides an alternative explanation for just how the information from the Democratic National Committee (DNC) computer somehow made its way to Wikileaks. If you believe that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and that he was just a nasty pedophile rather than an Israeli intelligence agent, read no farther because you will not be interested in Rich. But if you appreciate that it was unlikely that the Russians were behind the stealing of the DNC information you will begin to understand that other interested players must have been at work.

For those who are not familiar with it, the backstory to the murder of apparently disgruntled Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich, who some days before may have been the leaker of that organization’s confidential emails to Wikileaks, suggests that a possibly motiveless crime might have been anything but. The Washington D.C. police investigated what they believed to be an attempted robbery gone bad but that theory fails to explain why Rich’s money, credit cards, cell phone and watch were not taken. Wikileaks has never confirmed that Rich was their source in the theft of the proprietary emails that had hitherto been blamed on Russia but it subsequently offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to resolution of the case and Julian Assange, perhaps tellingly, has never publicly clarified whether Rich was or was not one of his contacts, though there is at least one report that he confirmed the relationship during a private meeting.

Answers to the question who exactly stole the files from the DNC server and the emails from John Podesta have led to what has been called Russiagate, a tale that has been embroidered upon and which continues to resonate in American politics. At this point, all that is clearly known is that in the Summer of 2016 files and emails pertaining to the election were copied and then made their way to WikiLeaks, which published some of them at a time that was damaging to the Clinton campaign. Those who are blaming Russia believe that there was a hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) server and also of John Podesta’s emails that was carried out by a Russian surrogate or directly by Moscow’s military intelligence arm. They base their conclusion on a statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security on October 7, 2016, and on a longer assessment prepared by the Office of the Director of National Intelligence on January 6, 2017. Both government appraisals implied that there was a U.S. government intelligence agency consensus that there was a Russian hack, though they provided little in the way of actual evidence that that was the case and, in particular, failed to demonstrate how the information was obtained and what the chain of custody was as it moved from that point to the office of WikiLeaks. The January report was particularly criticized as unconvincing, rightly so, because the most important one of its three key contributors, the National Security Agency, had only moderate confidence in its conclusions, suggesting that whatever evidence existed was far from solid.

An alternative view that has been circulating for several years suggests that it was not a hack at all, that it was a deliberate whistleblower-style leak of information carried out by an as yet unknown party, possibly Rich, that may have been provided to WikiLeaks for possible political reasons, i.e. to express disgust with the DNC manipulation of the nominating process to damage Bernie Sanders and favor Hillary Clinton.

There are, of course, still other equally non-mainstream explanations for how the bundle of information got from point A to point B, including that the intrusion into the DNC server was carried out by the CIA which then made it look like it had been the Russians as perpetrators. And then there is the hybrid point of view, which is essentially that the Russians or a surrogate did indeed intrude into the DNC computers but it was all part of normal intelligence agency probing and did not lead to anything. Meanwhile and independently, someone else who had access to the server was downloading the information, which in some fashion made its way from there to WikiLeaks.

Both the hack vs. leak viewpoints have marshaled considerable technical analysis in the media to bolster their arguments, but the analysis suffers from the decidedly strange fact that the FBI never even examined the DNC servers that may have been involved. The hack school of thought has stressed that Russia had both the ability and motive to interfere in the election by exposing the stolen material while the leakers have recently asserted that the sheer volume of material downloaded indicates that something like a higher speed thumb drive was used, meaning that it had to be done by someone with actual physical direct access to the DNC system. Someone like Seth Rich.

What the many commentators on the DNC server issue choose to conclude is frequently shaped by their own broader political views, producing a result that favors one approach over another depending on how one feels about Trump or Clinton. Or the Russians. Perhaps it would be clarifying to regard the information obtained and transferred as a theft rather than either a hack or a leak since the two expressions have taken on a political meaning of their own in the Russiagate context. With all the posturing going on, the bottom line is that the American people and government have no idea who actually stole the material in question, though the Obama Administration was extraordinarily careless in its investigation and Russian President Vladimir Putin has generally speaking been blamed for what took place.

The currently bouncing around the media concerns an offer allegedly made in 2017 by former Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher to imprisoned WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. According to Assange’s lawyers, Rohrabacher offered a pardon from President Trump if Assange were to provide information that would attribute the theft or hack of the Democratic National Committee emails to someone other than the Russians. He was presumably referring to Seth Rich.

Assange did not accept the offer, but it should be noted that he has repeatedly stated in any event that he did not obtain the material from a Russian or Russian-linked source. In reality, he might not know the original source of the information. Since Rohrabacher’s original statement, both he and Trump have denied any suggestion that there was a firm offer with a quid pro quo for Assange. Trump claims to hardly know Rohrabacher and also asserts that he has never had a one-on-one meeting with him.

The U.S. media’s coverage of the story has emphasized that Assange’s cooperation would have helped to absolve Russia from the charge of having interfered decisively in the U.S. election, but the possible motive for doing so remains unclear. Russian-American relations are at their lowest point since the Cold War and that has largely been due to policies embraced by Donald Trump, to include the cancellation of START and medium range missile agreements. Trump has also approved NATO military maneuvers and exercises right up to the Russian border and has provided lethal weapons to Ukraine, something that his predecessor Barack Obama balked at. He has also openly confronted the Russians in Syria.

Given all of that back story, it would be odd to find Trump making an offer that focuses only on one issue and does not actually refute the broader claims of Russian interference, which are based on a number of pieces of admittedly often dubious evidence, not just the Clinton and Podesta emails. Which brings the tale back to Seth Rich. If Rich was indeed responsible for the theft of the information and was possibly killed for his treachery, it most materially impacts on the Democratic Party as it reminds everyone of what the Clintons and their allies are capable of. It will also serve as a warning of what might be coming at the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee in July as the party establishment uses fair means or foul to stop Bernie Sanders. How this will all play out is anyone’s guess, but many of those who pause to observe the process will be thinking of Seth Rich.

Philip M. Giraldi is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served nineteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. He was the CIA Chief of Base for the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 and was one of the first Americans to enter Afghanistan in December 2001. Phil is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a Washington-based advocacy group that seeks to encourage and promote a U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East that is consistent with American values and interests.

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  1. plantman says:

    Excellent roundup.

    I don’t ascribe to the idea that the intel agencies kill American citizens without a great deal of thought, but in Rich’s case, they probably felt like they had no choice. Think about it: The DNC had already rigged the primary against Bernie, the Podesta emails had already been sent to Wikileaks, and if Rich’s cover was blown, then he would publicly identify himself as the culprit (which would undermine the Russiagate narrative) which would split the Democratic party in two leaving Hillary with no chance to win the election.

    I can imagine Hillary and her intel connections looking for an alternative to whacking Rich but eventually realizing that there was no other way to deflect responsibility for the emails while paving the way for an election victory.

    If Seth Rich went public, then Hillary would certainly lose.

    I imagine this is what they were thinking when they decided there was really only one option.

  2. Sean says:

    If you believe that Jeffrey Epstein committed suicide and that he was just a nasty pedophile rather than an Israeli intelligence agent, read no farther because you will not be interested in Rich.

    If Epstein was an Israeli intelligence agent he would never have been in prison in the first place. The foods sucks and the sex is worse.

    Wikileaks has never confirmed that Rich was their source in the theft of the proprietary emails that had hitherto been blamed on Russia but it subsequently offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to resolution of the case and Julian Assange, perhaps tellingly, has never publicly clarified whether Rich was or was not one of his contacts, though there is at least one report that he confirmed the relationship during a private meeting.

    Assange repeatedly and deliberately misled the public about why his website was down by saying it was to give his (nonexistent) staff a chance of dealing with a backlog of submitted data, but months later he admitted the truth was his associate Berg (sickened by Assange continuing to release data provided by Manning after he was arrested and facing 90 years in prison) had left Wikileaks and taken the keys to the new website with him

    At this point, all that is clearly known is that in the Summer of 2016 files and emails pertaining to the election were copied and then made their way to WikiLeaks, which published some of them at a time that was damaging to the Clinton campaign.

    Even more damaging to Julian Assange who released the DNC files while still in the embassy. He never should have done that, it sealed his fate by making the US intel establishment see him as an covert asset of Russia, rather that the bungling amateur he was.

    In reality, he might not know the original source of the information.

    Quite possibly; I think it is clear that Assange’s skills and resources were a lot lower level than he led people to believe, and his website was pretty ramshackle. He apparently checked on data by googling the names and details.

    It will also serve as a warning of what might be coming at the Democratic National Convention in Milwaukee in July as the party establishment uses fair means or foul to stop Bernie Sanders.

    They will use the most effective means: money, of which they have no shortage. Whole countries can be paid off, as with Egypt. Individuals are never so morally upright that they cannot be bought with the coin of their realm, whether that is a prestigious job or other form of personal aggrandisement for them or their family. I believe assassinations happen when someone is not for sale, which never happens. Moral uprightness is just a makeshift or pose to get on in the world.

    • LOL: Moi
    • Troll: ploni almoni
  3. “I have watched incredulous as the CIA’s blatant lie has grown and grown as a media story – blatant because the CIA has made no attempt whatsoever to substantiate it. There is no Russian involvement in the leaks of emails showing Clinton’s corruption.”
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/12/cias-absence-conviction/

    “The FBI Has Been Lying About Seth Rich”
    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/

  4. Here’s the thing: for a time, Assange, Craig Murray, Kim Dotcom and some other parties created expectations that evidence would be released proving that Seth Rich (or some other DNC employee) was responsible for the email leak. There were also stories that Assange had in place a dead man’s switch that would be triggered by his arrest.

    None of that has happened, even though Assange has been arrested and subjected to enormous pressure and punishment.

    So: what if Assange learned sometime after receiving the emails that the source was in fact Russian intelligence and that he had misunderstand the situation? That would put him in rather a bind and explain the silence of him and his closest associates over the true source of the purloined material.

    • Disagree: GazaPlanet, John Chuckman
  5. @plantman

    It’s more than Hillary losing. It would have been easy to connect the dots of the entire plot to get Trump. Furthermore, it would have linked Obama and his cohorts in ways that the country might have exploded. This was the beginning of a Coup De’tat that would have shown the American political process is a complete joke.

    Recently released loads of emails from Hillary Clinton show that she was aware of Qaddafi taking the African oil producing countries off the US dollar and going to the gold standard. She said it would hurt Israel. Thus, they took Qaddafi out; destroyed Libya; opened up the flood gates of immigration all for the Jewish Bankers.

    Haney a whistle blower against Obama was recently murdered (suicided). This appears to be another CIA operation. There is no end to what the Corporate Fascist Military Industrial Intelligence Complex will do to maintain control.

    • Thanks: Nonny Mouse
  6. To understand why the DNC mobsters and the Deep State hate him, watch this great 2016 interview where Assange calmly explains the massive corruption that patriotic FBI agents refer to as the “Clinton Crime Family.” This gang is so powerful that it ordered federal agents to spy on the Trump political campaign, and indicted and imprisoned some participants in an attempt to pressure President Trump to step down. It seems Trump still fears this gang, otherwise he would order his attorney general to drop this bogus charge against Assange, then pardon him forever and invite him to speak at White House press conferences.

  7. Sean says:
    @Sean McBride

    I don’t think Assange could determine who they came from or cared to try. But given that Guccifer 2.0 said on social media he was Romanian and authenticated other people to represent him on social media, it seems Assange must long ago have realised it was the GRU. Anyway, the charges he is facing do not relate to the Emails at all.

    Assange’s helping of Manning to break a password and get into a US government system is what the charges are about. He is being treated so differently to the way Laura Poitras was over Edward Snowden, because she did not help Snowdon hack a secret government computer system

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
    , @Curmudgeon
  8. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    As long as the MSM keeps screaming about the Russians, people will never find out about the massive Israeli infiltration into the USG. Guess it’s just a coincidence that the ones screaming the loudest about Russians is the MSM, damn near entirely owned by Jew Americans running cover for that apartheid nightmare that has been murdering Palestinians and stealing their land for 75 years.

    Like someone said, scream it loud enough and long enough, and people will believe.

    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
    , @chris
    , @Lisa
  9. @Sean

    If it turned out that the broad hints about Seth Rich issued by Assange and some of his lead supporters were a bluff and a lie, and that the GRU really was behind the theft and distribution of the emails, that would radically undercut Assange’s support among those who would feel that they had been played for suckers and taken for a ride.

    With regard to the criminal hacking of secret government computer systems or *any* computer system: it might be difficult to make the argument that that is consistent with honest and responsible journalism.

    At this point, Assange’s position looks weak indeed.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Wizard of Oz
  10. @Greg Bacon

    I don’t think the jews understand that NOBODY believes the “Russian collusion” horseshit.

    Nobody.

    Bernie Sanders is now a “Russian operative.”

    It’s very silly shit. Nobody in their right mind takes it seriously.

    • Agree: Wally
  11. getaclue says:
    @Sean McBride

    NSA Whistleblower Bill Binney is credible– it wasn’t the “RUSSIANS” — regardless of how many times that gets parroted about by whoever for whatever reason: https://nationalfile.com/pompeo-knows-there-was-no-russian-hack-two-years-later-hes-still-quiet-about-it-why/

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html

    • Agree: GazaPlanet
  12. getaclue says:

    Assange has stated he will not reveal sources any of them and never has….NSA Whistleblower Bill Binney and other credible ex- “Intelligence” Professionals have said the evidence points to it being a leak (Seth Rich) not a hack/Russia. Crowdstrike that “discovered” the “Russia” hack has zero credibility as you and all should know by now–they were caught lying about the Russians before as to Ukraine and are owned and operated by deeply compromised people who are associated with the Atlantic Council Neocons and who hate “Russia”. The Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) are credible people without an ax to grind– unlike Clapper, Comey, Brennan etc. — they say there was no “Russia” hacking based on the evidence– it’s a fraud/hoax:

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/08/15/nsa_whistleblower_bill_binney_intel_agencies_are_lying_to_the_public_and_the_president.html

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-hacking-intelligence-20170105-story.html

    http://samadamsaward.ch/william-binney/

    https://nationalfile.com/pompeo-knows-there-was-no-russian-hack-two-years-later-hes-still-quiet-about-it-why/

    • Agree: John Chuckman
    • Replies: @VIPS memo reminder
  13. What the Clintons and their allies are capable of, indeed! Cord Meyer bragged of recruiting Bill. His wifey’s CIA handlers I mean allies planted her on the House Judiciary Committee staff to conceal key authorities bearing on the Watergate investigation. They illicitly enriched her with a commodity trading wheeze as hilariously, blatantly improbable as the Zorro Trust’s New Mexico lottery win (itself recently reburied with factoids as contemptuously half-assed as George Bush the CIA Janitor:)

    https://www.thelostogle.com/2019/08/14/no-jeffrey-epstein-did-not-win-25-million-from-an-oklahoma-lottery-ticket-or-did-he/

    CIA put Bill to work laundering drug money at Mena. Then the couple ran that unprecedented macro-scale covert ops slush fund the Clinton Foundation.

    To install Hillary as presidential figurehead, DCI John Brennan initiated the Russia-hacking Big Lie with its chorus of elderly spooks in the Mockingbird media. Misjudging Hillary’s profoundly repulsive personality, Brennan failed.

    Now Hillary, ridden with Parkisons, is squawking and wobbling like Ahnold’s faulty disguise in Total Recall, and CIA has given up on her. But they haven’t given up on ruling your country. Lest we forget, the guy who’s now buying the party and hiring its apparatchiks has got his own CIA medal in the vault: he set up the biggest domestic Chiến dịch Phụng Hoàng center in New York.

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/717864/cia-nypd-ig.pdf

    Nobody gets near the White House without doing lots of favors for CIA.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cia-then-and-now-old-wine-in-new-bottles/5666818

    • Agree: anon8383892
  14. Ron Unz says:

    Well, here was my own take on the controversy a couple of years ago, and I really haven’t seen anything to change my mind:

    Well, DC is still a pretty dangerous city, but how many middle-class whites were randomly murdered there that year while innocently walking the streets? I wouldn’t be surprised if Seth Rich was just about the only one.

    Julian Assange has strongly implied that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails that cost Hillary Clinton the presidency. So if Seth Rich died in a totally random street killing not long afterward, isn’t that just the most astonishing coincidence in all of American history?

    Consider that the leaks effectively nullified the investment of the $2 billion or so that her donors had provided, and foreclosed the flood of good jobs and appointments to her camp-followers, not to mention the oceans of future graft. Seems to me that’s a pretty good motive for murder.

    Here’s my own plausible speculation from a couple of months ago:

    Incidentally, I’d guess that DC is a very easy place to arrange a killing, given that until the heavy gentrification of the last dozen years or so, it was one of America’s street-murder capitals. It seems perfectly plausible that some junior DNC staffer was at dinner somewhere, endlessly cursing Seth Rich for having betrayed his party and endangered Hillary’s election, when one of his friends said he knew somebody who’d be willing to “take care of the problem” for a thousand bucks…

    https://www.unz.com/announcement/new-software-releaseopen-thread/#comment-1959442

    https://www.unz.com/isteve/was-seth-rich-murdered-by-the-russians-the-democratic-elite-or-the-democratic-base/#comment-2069185

    Let’s say a couple of hundred thousand middle-class whites lived in DC around then, and Seth Rich was about the only one that year who died in a random street-killing, occurring not long after the leak.

    Wouldn’t that seem like a pretty unlikely coincidence?…

  15. “If Rich was indeed responsible for the theft of the information and was possibly killed for his treachery….”

    Heroism is the proper term for what Seth Rich did. He saw the real treachery, against Bernie Sanders and the democratic faithful who expect at least a modicum of integrity from their Party leaders (even if that expectation is utterly fanciful, wishful thinking), and he decided to act. He paid for it with his life. A young, noble life.

    In every picture I’ve seen of him, he looks like a nice guy, a guy who cared. And now he’s dead. And the assholes at the DNC simply gave him a small plaque over a bike rack, as I understand it.

    Seth Rich: American Hero. A Truth-Teller who paid the ultimate price.

    Great reporting, Phil. Another home run.

    (And thanks to Ron for chiming in. Couldn’t agree more. As a Truth-Teller extraordinaire, please watch your back, Bro. And Phil, too. You both know what these murderous scum are capable of.)

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Popeye
  16. Biff says:

    When the FBI doesn’t fully investigate a crime(DNC-emails/9-11/JFK-murder) the only conclusion is “coverup”.

    • Agree: Antiwar7, dimples, AnonFromTN
  17. Paul2 says:

    Russiagate was also invented to hide the very disturbing information found in the leaked e-mails:

    1 Hillars stole the nomination from Bernie, and

    2 more importantly: PizzaGate!

    Never forget PizzaGate. That is a very much censored and suppressed issue. Try to use a search engine on that topic nowadays and you will find NO information but only mainstream media propaganda nonsense against “conspiracy theories”.

    Compare that to

    https://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/

    https://www.corbettreport.com/reddit-bans-pizzagate-investigation-the-corbett-report-continues-it/

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  18. And the purpose of this article was what? A definite maybe is the theme. I would have thought that Giraldi has some insight to offer. Instead we get a list of possibilities. Pretty disappointing. Beginning to think Ol’ Phil is not the master of CI that he is made out to be. I’ll hold onto the idea that he has some value as a disinformation agent, but even Philby would not have bothered with this clickbait.

    Say it ain’t so Phil!

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @AnonStarter
  19. On the one side, you got the globalist dems, on the other side you got the globalist cons.

    So, no chance.

    Globo-Homo Jews and Koshervatives.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  20. I suppose American security services could have been involved.

    That would explain the poor police investigation and lack of information and questions answered.

    But Hillary and her dirty associates were quite capable of hiring a hit.

    That would also explain the lack of information, since DC, unlike any other city, is literally controlled by the Federal government.

    This is a very vicious woman despite her clownishly made-up face.

    Her words after Gaddafi’s murder were chilling.

    She is said to have been responsible too for pressuring for the final push to get Waco out of the headlines. 80 folks incinerated.

    She also joked about Assange, “can’t we just drone him or something?”

    And there was the dirty business at Benghazi.

    She is indeed a woman capable of anything. A contemporary Borgia.

  21. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:

    I’ve looked at all murders of non-black and Hispanics in the 2010s listed on the DC police website. There are several murders that appear to be hate crimes or lunatic mixed with hate crime motive. This is the explanation that makes the most sense. Giraldi writes a lot of good content but also weak stuff like jumping to conclusions about the Rich murder.

  22. Because the {real} killers of JFK, MLK and RFK were never detained and jailed/hanged, why would one expect a lesser known, more ordinary individual’s murder [Seth] to be solved?

  23. Antiwar7 says:
    @Sean

    “Which never happens”?

    Not only is this incorrect, but it shows how overconfident you are in your own suppositions.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  24. hobo says:

    Seymour Hersh, in a taped phone conversation, claimed to have access to an FBI report on the murder. According to Hersh, the report indicated tha FBI Cyber Unit examined Rich’s computer and found he had contacted Wikileaks with the intention of selling the emails.

    Seymour Hersh discussing Wikileaks DNC leaks Seth Rich & FBI report ( 7 min)

  25. Antiwar7 says:

    Another reason Assange may not want to reveal it, if Seth Rich was a source for Wikileaks, could be that Seth Rich didn’t act alone, and revealing Seth’s involvement would compromise the other(s).

    Or it could simply be that Wikileaks has promised to never reveal a source, even after that source’s death, as a promise to future potential sources, who may never want their identities revealed, to avoid the thought of embarrassment or repercussions to their associates or families.

    Incidentally, they only started really going after Assange after the Vault 7 leaks of the CIA’s active bag of software tricks. I think, for Assange’s sake, they should instead have held on to that, and made it the payload of a dead man’s switch.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  26. I’m not sure how credible the source is but Ellen Ratner, the sister of Assange’s former lawyer and a journalist, told Ed Butowsky that Assange told her that it was Seth Rich. She asked Butowsky to contact Rich’s parents. She confirms the Assange meeting in an interview, link below. Butowsky does not seem to be a credible source but Ratner does. If it was Seth Rich then I have no doubt that his brother knows the details and the family does not want to lose another son.

    The story has gone nowhere.

  27. @Paul2

    Good point, Paul2! By the way, the Pizzagate people who got banned from Reddit founded their own blog on WordPress, which is now the definitive website on Pizzagate, just in case anyone here wants a comprehensive primer on the subject: https://dcpizzagate.wordpress.com/

  28. “According to Assange’s lawyers, Rohrabacher offered a pardon from President Trump if Assange were to provide information that would attribute the theft or hack of the Democratic National Committee emails to someone other than the Russians.”

    Not to quibble on semantics but Rohrabacher met with Assange to ask if he would be willing to reveal the source of the emails then Rohrabacher would contact Trump and try to make deal for Assange’s freedom. Rohrabacher clarified that he never talked to Trump or that he was authorized by Trump to make any offer.

    The MSM has been using the “amnesty if you say it was not the Russians” narrative to hint at a coverup by Russian agent Trump. Normal for the biased MSM.

    Giraldi’s link “Assange did not take the offer” has nothing to do with Rohrabacher’s contact. It’s just a general piece on Assange acting as a journalist should act.

    https://www.rohrabacher.com/news/my-meeting-with-julian-assange

  29. Alfred says:
    @plantman

    I can imagine Hillary and her intel connections looking for an alternative to whacking Rich

    Have you never had to deal with a psychopath? That is not the way they reason.

    She would have done it in the “national interest”

  30. @Priss Factor

    Michelle Malkin is totally BAF! God bless her, I say. This was her on Friday at the ‘America First Political Action Committee,’ which was set up to counter gate-keeper groups like CPAC:

    https://dailystormer.su/america-first-pac-live-watch-nick-fuentes-event-now/

    Money quote: “America is a white country, for white people.”

    😀 😀 😀

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  31. @John Chuckman

    That would also explain the lack of information, since DC, unlike any other city, is literally controlled by the Federal government.

    More to the point, DC is also tightly controlled by the Democratic Party as well. Did you know that the DC’s Assistant US Attorney during the Seth Rich investigation was none other than Steven Wasserman, the younger brother of former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman-Schulz? Now is that a coincidence, or is that a coincidence? 😉

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/debbie-wasserman-schultzs-brother-steven-wasserman-accused-burying-seth-rich-case/

  32. @hobo

    “Seymour Hersh is a Zionist subversive and shilling for Israel is what he does best ” By Jonathan Azaziah , mouqawamahmusic.net :
    “…Mr Hersh you’re wrong .You are DEAD wrong . We know EXACTLY who carried out the heinous, ritualistic massacre on September 11,2001 : ISRAEL . through an intricate network of Zionist agents …In the final analysis it is imperative to note that Jewish subversives like Hersh are the ones who do the most damage to our cause and discourse.”
    Is Seymour Hersh like Chomsky a disinformation agent and gatekeeper when it comes to 9/11 ?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  33. @Sean

    I believe assassinations happen when someone is not for sale, which never happens

    Ergo, by that “logic”, assassinations never happen.

    You really are as stupid as most of the posters here say you are.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Johnny Rico
  34. “The ‘murder’ of Seth Rich: Everything we thought we knew was wrong – A major psyop conducted by Israel” cosmicconvergence.org , article first appeared at SOTN
    “The MOSSAD infiltrated the Clinton campaign with a Sayanim contractor – Seth Rich – who’s probably now living on a Kibbutz somewhere in the Negev desert …Look it , this OP took Hillary right out of the race …Now the real question is : Why did Israel sabotage Hillary ? And why did Netanyahu guarantee a win for Trump.” By ANON whistleblower
    Should it have been Israelgate ?

  35. Sean says:
    @Sean McBride

    Wikileaks always knew it was not Rich sending the DNC stuff. Julian Assange had been sent an encrypted file by Guccifer 2.0 four days after Rich was shot dead and then Assange asked for more from Guccifer 2.0 on Twitter, all the while he was good as saying (nodding) it was Rich who gave them the DNC stuff. And he offered a reward to find Rich’s killer too.

    Assange had a woman who wrote his speeches and negotiated around the world on his behalf; she did a great job. He and Berg duped reporters into thinking Wikileaks was a large broad based professional operation with technical and fact checking resources. A New York Times journalist interceded to get Wikileaks PayPal account unfrozen after they thought its nonprofit status was dubious. Later, the paper became one of Wikileaks media partners. It came as tremendous shock to many people when they saw in the Risk documentary segment with top human rights lawyer Helena Kennedy how Assange was simply unable to restrain himself from making sexual imprecations about the Swedish complainants. He is not a serious person.

    He isn’t being charged in relation to any of this DNC stuff, but if it had never happened he would have a level of sympathy putting him in a much better position to fight the Manning charges. The DNC and election of Trump will be on the minds of the jury and the judge. I think he is going to do at least as much time as Manning, and after his lawyers embarrassing Trump, Jullian can forget about clemency whoever is in the White House. He should have kept his word and surrendered when Obama released Manning.

  36. @Robert Dolan

    It’s very silly shit. Nobody in their right mind takes it seriously.

    It’s silly all right but the trouble is that there are an awful lot of nobodies out there who do.

  37. fnn says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well, there is the fact that we walking alone at 4:20 AM. Just saying that’s something to take into consideration.

    • Replies: @Chet Roman
  38. The best hoaxes involve dead people and government agents who tell us about what the dead people did, or maybe didn’t. Who knows. I mean, who cares about the DNC files? The entire operation was created to convince people to keep voting, i.e convince the slaves to love their slavery.

  39. @Wonder what Happened to Phil

    Actually, I think that this article, Ron’s comment and some of the many links provided by other commenters makes it very clear to most people that this goes way way beyond being just a matter of possibilities and is well into the realm of probabilities. Try to keep up! This was your first and only comment here too. LOL!

  40. plantman says:

    Thanks Chet Roman

    You say: “Rohrabacher met with Assange to ask if he would be willing to reveal the source of the emails then Rohrabacher would contact Trump and try to make deal for Assange’s freedom. Rohrabacher clarified that he never talked to Trump or that he was authorized by Trump to make any offer.”

    That is exactly right and yet the media has gotten the story completely wrong.

    Notice how Assange’s attorney turned the story upside-down and got plenty of news coverage, but the original meeting of Assange and Rohrabacher got zero coverage. Why do you think that is?

    In fact, we don’t even know if former chief of staff John Kelly told Trump he talked to Rohrabacher! If so, Trump has remained strangely silent on the meeting.

  41. Realist says:
    @plantman

    I don’t ascribe to the idea that the intel agencies kill American citizens without a great deal of thought…

    The Deep State will kill anyone…the only thought, are we better off with them dead.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  42. Realist says:
    @Robert Dolan

    It’s very silly shit. Nobody in their right mind takes it seriously.

    Yes, but the problem is way too many Americans are not in their right minds.

  43. DaveE says:

    I’m of the opinion Ron Unz seems to share, that Rich was not a particularly “big hitter” in the DNC hierarchy and that his murder was more likely the result of a very nasty inter-party squabble. I seem to recall a LOT of very nasty talk between the Jewish neocons in the Bush era and the decent, traditional “small-government” style Republicans who greatly resented the neocons’ hijacking of the GOP for their demonic zionist agenda.

    Common sense would suggest that the zionist types who have (obviously) hijacked the DNC are at least as nasty and ruthless as the neocons who destroyed any decency or fair-play within the GOP. It’s not exactly hard to believe that these Murder, Inc. types (also lefties of their era) wouldn’t hesitate to whack someone like Rich for merely uttering a criticism of Israel, for example.

    Hell, Meyer Lansky ordered the hit-job on Bugsy Seigel for forgetting to bring bagels to a sit-down ! There was a great web-site by a mobster of that era, long since taken down, who described the story in detail. I forget the names….. but I’ll see if I can’t find a copy of some of the pieces posted at least a decade ago…….

    It’s not exactly hard to imagine some very nasty words being exchanged between the Rahm Emmanuel types and decent Chicago citizens, for example, who genuinely cared for their city and weren’t afraid of The Big Jew and his mobster cronies…. to their detriment I’m sure.

    We’re talking about organized crime, here, folks. The zionists make the so-called (mostly fictitious) Sicilian Mafia look like newborn puppies. They wouldn’t hesitate to whack a guy like Rich for taking their favorite space in the bicycle rack.

  44. Z-man says:

    The only comment I’ll make is about our ‘Inteligence Agencies’ and its that “17 agencies, that’s SEVENTEEN agencies, stated that RUSSIA interfered in our election but not one, Not One, could tell our leadership how advanced the Norks and fat Yug Kim’s missile program was.”. Ha!

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  45. @Sean McBride

    If he did help Manning defeat computer security it is still spineless of the UK to send him for trial in the US when the offence – under US law – was committed outside the US.

    • Replies: @Sean
  46. To this day it strikes me a tad incredulous that a political operative like Podesta just up and left his phone, with the password of password, in the perfect cab of someone who knew who he was and where to go with it. Then in all this Seth Rich hoopla, nary an interest in the mysterious DNC computer operatives – the Awan brothers. What if the whole email thing wasn’t a hack or a leak, but a planned drop by Clinton, Wasserman, and Podesta for getting the much desired anti Russia thing rolling ? After all Putin going after Browder and Khordorkovsky denied HSBC, the Harvard boys, and Clinton world free access to rape Russia. Arkancide must be delivered to Russia one way or the other.

  47. Will people in general ever realise that the pro-Israel, anti-9-11-truth Assange –

    Whom Netanyahu bragged is an Israeli Mossad asset shielding Israel

    Whom Zbig Brzezinski admitted was publishing ‘Wikileaks’ seeded from the intelligence agencies themselves

    Who has benefited from Rothschild family lawyers, Rothschild relatives posting his bail, Assange ‘wiki-leaking’ to destroy Rothschild rival bank Julius Baer

    Whose victims trusting Assange have turned up dead, such as Peter W Smith, Assange even claiming he ‘never got’ the poor dead guy’s files … Assange lawyer John Jones thrown under a train and killed before he could expose Assange was intel, never really ‘living in the London Ecuador embassy’ etc aside from photo ops

    Who was sold to the world by oily Assange-pumping CIA-tied media who quite ignore or abuse real dissidents

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
    , @FB
  48. How Wikileaks obtained the emails is irrelevant. The content is all that matters. Russian collusion is a made up distraction from Pizzagate.

  49. I do not believe Epstein is dead and I believe AG William Barr arranged his exit from the country and I also believe Rich was murdered aka Arkancided and I also believe that both the demon-rats and the republi-cons are deeply compromised by the zionists who control the ZUS lock stock and gun barrel.

  50. If the Clintons and their nefarious allies had the kind of power you’re speaking of then you would not be able to point fingers at them without bad consequences being that the CIA was once your employer.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  51. @9/11 Inside job

    To see how the Israelis and the traitors in the ZUS gov did the WTC on 911 , see drjudywood.com and wheredidthetowersgo.com.

  52. @John Chuckman

    A long time ago I read in the London Guardian ( before it’s reputation was in tatters) that the witch kept a list of all who pissed her off and updated it every night.
    A quick search and here it is https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/14/hillary-clinton-hitlist-spreadsheet-grudge

  53. @Really No Shit

    You need to eat more fish. Fish is good for the brain, ask Jeeves.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  54. Altai says:

    My only trouble with the Seth Rich thing is, it seems a bit extreme, they seem quite callous in murdering foreigners but US citizens in the US who are their staffers? If they really were prepared to go out and kill in this way, they’re be a lot more suspicious deaths.

    What makes the case most compelling is the very quick investigation by police that looks like they were told by somebody concerned about how the whole thing looked to close up the case nice and quickly. That and the fact that he was shot in the back, which doesn’t make sense for an attempted robbery turned murder.

    However, it may also be that as in so many cities in the US, murder clearance rates for street shootings (Little forensic evidence, can only go by witness accounts or through poor alibis from usual suspects and their associates. In this case there is also no connection between Rich and any possible shooter with no witnesses.) are just so very low that DC police don’t bother and Seth Rich’s death just happened to be one such case that attracted some scrutiny.

    But then maybe for the reasons above a place like DC is perfect to just murder somebody on the street and that’s why they were so brazen about it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  55. “but the analysis suffers from the decidedly strange fact that the FBI never even examined the DNC servers that may have been involved.”

    Absolutely crucial and sits as an enormous blackhole in the Russian affair. But it does feed the Ukrainian matter quite nicely.

  56. Ron Unz says:
    @Altai

    Seth Rich’s death just happened to be one such case that attracted some scrutiny.

    Well, upthread someone posted a recording of a Seymour Hersh phone call that confirmed Seth Rich was the fellow who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks, thereby possibly swinging the presidential election to Trump and overcoming $2 billion of Democratic campaign advertising.

    Shortly afterwards, he probably became about the only middle-class white in DC that year who died in a “random street killing.” If you doubt this, see if you can find any other such cases that year.

    I think it is *extraordinarily* unlikely that these two elements are unconnected and merely happened together by chance.

  57. @fnn

    Yeah, what robber is dumb enough to wander the street at 4:20 am looking for a target to rob; there just are not enough targets for lazy robbers. I thought the same thing when it was first announced that Jussie Smollett was attacked at 1:00 am in the winter in Chicago. It just did not make sense and Dave Chapelle did a great routine that highlighted how improbable it was. Same goes with the Rich 4:00am robbery.

  58. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    British prime ministers have already declined to extradite a couple of British men who hacked US government computers, but they got out of it through being silent as a campaign exerted political pressure, and portrayed them as uber-nerdy misfits innocent of politics who would not come out of a US prison alive.

    Maybe the ones who they see are untypical, but in the mind of Brits, Aussies seem like muscular beer swilling giants. It is difficult for the English to believe any Australian has Asperger’s especially as Assange was so volubly political, and his obsession was cutting a swath through hot women rather than trying to discover the truth about Area 13.

  59. @getaclue

    And yet there is this: no dead man’s switch was triggered by Assange’s arrest. And Assange and his top supporters have failed to follow through on broad hints that they possessed proof that the source of the DNC material was non-Russian — quite probably, in fact, Seth Rich.

    Assange has been left slowly twisting in the wind.

    Craig Murray and Kim Dotcom don’t seem to be interested now in pushing the Seth Rich angle. Why? It seems odd.

  60. anonymous[100] • Disclaimer says:
    @hobo

    On August 1, 2017, Hersh was interviewed by National Public Radio for a story on a lawsuit related to an investigation into the 2016 death of former Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. In the interview, Hersh denied a claim by investigator Ed Butowsky that Hersh had said he’d spoken to a Federal Bureau of Investigation source who confirmed the existence of information on Rich’s laptop computer showing he had been in contact with WikiLeaks prior to his death. In the NPR interview, Hersh dismissed the claim as “gossip”.[91]

  61. @Z-man

    In my opinion the 17 intel agencies are under zionist control especially Mossad and MI6 on top of the CIA etc., and all work for the zionist NWO agenda.

    By the way I want to thank you for recommending the book The Controversy of Zion by Phillip Reed, as it is one of the most important books I have ever read.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  62. Ko says:

    Could it be the Trumpians will offer JA choice – tell us all you know and go free, or, keep your secrets and rot in prison?

  63. @Sean

    But given that Guccifer 2.0 said on social media he was Romanian and authenticated other people to represent him on social media,

    I’m the King of Siam, and will have others attest to that on social media.
    You seem to be missing the point that Craig Murray has stated, on several occasions, that he met the person who was responsible for the DNC leak, and that person was in no way connected to “the Russians”.
    As for Assange “helping” Manning, there appears to be little evidence of that beyond encouragement.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  64. @Sean McBride

    Would the Russians have been so clumsy as to allow Arrange to know or even plausibly infer that they were the source?

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  65. @9/11 Inside job

    “Why not a probe of ‘Israel-Gate’ ? ” By Robert Parry , consortiumnews.com
    “The problem is that if anyone mentions the truth of Israel’s clout , the person is immediately labeled an anti-semite and targeted by Israel’s extraordinarily sophisticated lobby and its many media/political allies for vilification and marginalization …Israel’s involvement in American politics can also be covert [Monica Lewinsky and Seth Rich-alleged Sayanim perhaps?] …”
    Sunday , December 11, 2016 : Aangirfan “Kosher Nostra got Trump elected “ aanirfan.blogspot.com :
    “It is Trump who will help Israel create its Greater Israel ” and it is being helped along by Kushner’s “peace plan” .

    • Replies: @Trinity
  66. Trinity says:

    If you believe Epstein is dead read no further. haha. Yep, I’m on board with Desert Fox, Epstein is alive, my guess is he is either in Saudi or Israel. It is shame what America has become. We have went from men like George Washington to pedophiles, criminals, pimps, sexual weirdos, mobsters, actors/con men, etc. This country is doomed unless a miracle takes place.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  67. @Sean McBride

    The short answer is that Assange, Murray, and Wikileaks have stated that they will never reveal their sources.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  68. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Robert Dolan

    Back in the Middle Ages–or the Dark Ages–if you wanted to get rid of someone, permanently, all you had to do was to claim that they were a witch or in league with the devil. Before they’d could run for their life, they’d be staked to a large pile of wood, or as they used to call it back then, faggots. And NO one would come to your aid, because they knew they could wind up on that burning pile with you.

    Now days, they screech that you’re a Russian bot or operative or a friend of Assad and kill your political career.

  69. @Curmudgeon

    The Craig Murray story should be be huge, but Murray himself doesn’t seem to have much interest in discussing it or elaborating on the details. That feels off.

    One would expect Murray to be even more relentless in highlighting this story than Virginia Roberts Giuffre has been about telling the world about her experiences with Epstein, Maxwell and Prince Andrew. What am I missing?

  70. Trinity says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Like the late Jim Traficant for example. Don’t know how good of a job Traficant did while in office but he sure had enough balls to tell the truth and look where it took him. Well maybe he will be rewarded in the afterlife for standing up, he sure wasn’t rewarded by America. Bad rug, looked like a typical politician or used car salesman, etc., but the guy had a HUGE SACK and that alone put him head and shoulders above anything we have up in Washington now or in the last century probably. I will probably vote for Trumpstein given the alternative, however, the guy is nothing more than a con man. All the demsheviks would be just as much in the game to create Greater Israel while being extremely anti-White to boot. Israel/Zionist win whomever is selected.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  71. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    It’s Douglas Reed and you’re welcome.

  72. @Wizard of Oz

    Assange may have eventually figured out, *after* receiving the DNC emails, that, based on the research of others, that the Russians (the GRU) were the source of the data.

    Put yourself in his shoes at that point: then what? Are you going to admit that you were hoodwinked? Or are you going to stick to the *implied* and unsubstantiated story that Seth Rich was the leaker?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  73. BL says:

    The currently bouncing around the media concerns an offer allegedly made in 2017 by former Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher to imprisoned WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange. . .

    Trust no one, especially the knucklehead Charles Johnson who apparently was along for the ride.

    This strikes me as an instance in which one should consider the Dog That Didn’t Bark. If Rohrabacher (or Johnson) had offered such a quid pro quo, unless it was made at the behest of those out to take down Trump, as only one of many such attempted frame-ups, we would have learned about it at the time. Rohrabacher would have been indicted, or it would have been leaked and used to remove Trump.

    Instead, we now have strange late-in-the-day revelations similar to this:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/27/manafort-held-secret-talks-with-assange-in-ecuadorian-embassy

    Unless I miss my mark, Assange’s legal team is attempting to shed light on and open up access to the comprehensive surveillance he was under while confined in the Embassy. If the fruits of those ops don’t provide him with exculpatory evidence then nothing will.

  74. @Curmudgeon

    Is WikiLeaks still an operation of consequence that is worth making extraordinary sacrifices to protect? And Seth Rich is dead and wouldn’t be harmed by the truth coming out.

    If there were solid proof that Rich was the DNC leaker, I think it would have come to the surface by now by means of someone in the know. The hints coming from WikiLeaks insiders about Rich being the leaker may have been a diversion and bluff.

    • Replies: @Castellio
    , @Curmudgeon
  75. @Trinity

    Or maybe , South Africa , the Zionists have long had a major influence in South Africa and they helped Israel with the acquiring of nuclear weapons, which Israel has had since around 1967.

    • Thanks: Trinity
  76. Sean says:
    @Ron Unz

    As you have formulated it, yes the probability is a targeted assassination, especially as most killers are caught. In the position of making decisions in a high stakes enterprise, an executive level body of Dems could decide for there being an overwhelming probability that a murder would be the way to go? Laplace’s demon would be in possession of all relevant facts, but this was not a thought experiment and had the overriding objective of staying out of a place where the food is bad and the sex better left unmentioned.

    It seems to me that the decision to kill Rich would have been operating on a completely different basis to your explicit Bayesian formulation that indicates in all probability there was an assassination. Concluding that the death of Rich was expedient would require the word of someone with vast experience in such matters, on the theory that where there is incomplete information and uncertain outcomes the final say must be given the intuition of an expert in the field.

    Unless one concluded the killing of Rich was decreed by someone with a senseless inner bias to killing as a way of solving political problems, it was done after a decision by someone with knowledge from his personal experience that such an audacious hit disguised as a random robbery gone wrong would be likely to succeed. But the man who put out a contract on Rich would have been subliminally calculating that the statistical likelihood of “the fellow who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks… became about the only middle-class white in DC who died in a ‘random street’ killing’ that year” was not going to be a killer (forgive the pun) argument.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  77. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    “I will probably vote for Trumpstein given the alternative, however, the guy is nothing more than a con man.”

    This, right here, ensures that nothing of consequence to the ruling class will happen via politics. Willful stupidity.

    If you must participate in the farce, at least use something other than a Red or Blue crayon. Or would that “waste” your precious vote?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  78. Sean says:
    @Dave Bowman

    You are assuming that Rich was not a bad actor who was paid to hack the emails and betray the DNC then murdered by the same people who he had sold the DNC out to. That would hardly be an assassination of a morally upright person.

    The detective who is believed to have stolen millions of dollars of heroin out of the NYPD evidence store (the French Connection) was later found shot dead. Unsolved.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  79. renfro says:

    What the question of the hack comes down to for me is simple…. Who are you are going to believe?

    The DC cabal who says it was Russia.
    Or the system designers, program architects, computer scientists, all the top experts in system protection who say considering the volume of material it had to be done on a high speed thumb drive.
    I’m gonna go with the experts, not the DC crowd.
    Which means Rich or someone else with psychical access did it.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  80. Anon[650] • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder who they use as killers. Anybody have any idea? Outsourced to Mossad or Mafia? Use a CIA employee perhaps?

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Sean McBride
  81. Trinity says:
    @anonymous

    Trump has been a HUGE DISAPPOINTMENT, but the alternative is EVEN WORSE. What other REALISTIC OPTION do we have? Trump might be nothing more than a con man, he certainly has done a good job at playing “4D chess” with his base, but he has done a few good things whether intentionally or non-intentionally. He has awoken the “normies” to how fake the (((media))) is, and he was the only one who has spoken on the negative consequences of flooding traditionally White nations with hostile invaders from the third world. Sorry, but compared to Bernie, Bloomberg, or those other demshevik clowns, Trump will have to do for now, I would be wasting a vote by choosing to write in Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck and staying home certainly isn’t going to help.

    Do you think the Bern or Bloomberg will expose the Zionist/Jewish stranglehold in Washington? Joe Biden or Lizzie Warren? Come on, man. They are just as sold out as Trump when it comes to being Zionist boot-lickers. Trump buys America more time IMO, if nothing else, if anyone of the demsheviks are elected, GOD HELP THIS COUNTRY. To be QUITE HONEST, I don’t even know if it is possible for America to vote its way out of this mess or if things will become better. WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.

  82. @renfro

    Some gifted people have “psychical access” to many things. (Sorry, that’s a colorful phrase/typo.)

    On the matter of data transfer speeds, I have seen arcane technical arguments on both sides. Pick your experts.

    The Assange people have been too shifty and evasive on the subject of Seth Rich (or some other DNC insider) for my taste.

    Bottom line: we are still in the dark about what really happened.

    • Disagree: Biff
    • Replies: @renfro
    , @getaclue
  83. @Anon

    Or MI6, they operate freely in the ZUS as does the Mossad: the CIA and the Mossad and MI6, the unholy trinity of evil from hell.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  84. @Anon

    In cases of this kind (not necessarily the Seth Rich incident in particular), possibly an off-the-shelf street gang that has no idea of who it is really working for. Or dirty local cops.

  85. renfro says:
    @Sean McBride

    Some gifted people have “psychical access” to many things. (Sorry, that’s a colorful phrase/typo.)

    lol…you can see what state my mind is in today…..think I’ll just take a nap.

  86. Rich was probably selling the downloaded docs. Greed. Assange is facing so mucb time that it is impossible to imagine he hasn’t already told his jailers everything he knows thinking he would be freed in exchange. But, that’s not how it works at that level. His defense attorneys will make the trial look well fought and admirable but, it was over for poor Julian before it began. Like a previous commenter said; he’s in over his head.

  87. TJM says: • Website

    This whole stolen DNC emails episode would be humorous or even a “so what?” event, but for the murder of Seth Rich and the continued imprisonment and torture of Julian Assange and Chelsea Manning.
    It is obvious to even the casual foreign observer that the USA and in particular the DNC are criminal organizations.

  88. Trump gets asshole of the century award for his betrayal of Assange and his betrayal of his base.

  89. There was some reporting when this story broke, but soon afterwards, Fox News, Detective Wheeler, and even Jimmy Dore backed off and apologized.

  90. melpol says:

    Private detective agencies do what cop never do, they do the dirty work. Most follow cheaters to their love nest and report their findings to their spouse. They bill from one to five thousand for their dirty work. But the most dirtiest are those that turn a murder into a suicide. They bill up to a million dollars and perform perfect suicides. Killing Seth Rich was not a professional Job, it could have been done more quietly. Politicians never hire killers who do dirty street murders. Assassins could have waited in Seths apartment garroted him and then hung him up high. Seth might have angered a street thug who killed him.

  91. getaclue says:
    @Sean McBride

    You keep talking about a “dead man’s switch? From where?– There is no “dead man’s switch” from all I have read on this question — for one Assange isn’t “dead” and secondly he has clearly stated, as has Wikileaks, that they will NEVER release sources– you missed that somehow?

    • Replies: @Sean
  92. getaclue says:
    @Sean McBride

    “The Assange people have been too shifty and evasive on the subject of Seth Rich (or some other DNC insider) for my taste.”– What part of THEY NEVER REVEAL SOURCES don’t you get? This is lied about here in several comments (worse than your statement– but it is in the same vein).

    Assange and Wikileaks are very much on the record that they don’t and never will do so. Why do people lie about this posting here?: https://www.rollcall.com/2017/10/12/assange-upends-rohrabacher-denies-he-will-reveal-dnc-emails-source/

    Clearly some posting here have disinformation agendas when you read the comments — flat out lies.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  93. @Wonder what Happened to Phil

    Yo, one-and-done! …

    Don’t let the door hitya where the good Lord splitya.

  94. @Sean

    You are assuming

    You are as well.

    Speculation is the very substance that fuels your counter-narratives.

    But don’t stop on our account. We want to know you for what you’re worth.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  95. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    I hope there are still some American patriots in the deep recesses of the CIA but it doesn’t look good.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  96. JackOH says:

    Phil, thanks.

    I only had time for a quick scan of your essay and following comments. But, the Seth Rich murder stinks badly, and needs detailed and thorough investigation by someone who’s willing to follow the evidence, and who’s not beholden to America’s power interests. God bless, brother.

  97. Sorry, but unvetted hacking and dumping of files is not journalism. The cult like sycophants for this charlatan is truly astounding. It’s the people who take the risk and gave files to Wiki Leaks that are the heroes and not this narcissistic coward who abscombed from bail and hid in an embassy. Assange and the clown show Wiki Leaks never did apologise for those leaks that ruined and ended lives in Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Kenya. Do your time like a real man does little man Assange. You are no journalist and certainly no martyr except in the minds of your pathetic cult like followers. Adios Mr Assange

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  98. Long before Seth Rich, the Clintons had a long and distinguished body-count of persons in their acquaintance who met untimely deaths … what’s another body in the great scheme of things?

  99. Sean says:

    Assuming that Rich was the DNC hacker (which I was in the comment that you took exception to) I would be justified in thinking it was people he was being paid by to hack the DNC that killed him; that is always the way.

    In addition to the French Connection property room scam suspect detective who stole millions in heroin then got clipped, there was Peter Calabro, a corrupt NYPD detective supplying John Gotti with info in the police and the FBI squads after him. When he fell under suspicion and investigation Calabro was whacked by the Godfather’s minions. Considering how many NYPD cops have been on the take and how many have been murdered while on the take. Then consider number of honest cops who have been murdered because they had/were about to put the big organised crime boss away a la movies and pulp novels; has it actually happened ever?

    The odds are long against an honest man being the victim of a targeted assassination, but there is always the very best of reasons to permanently silence someone into skulduggery with you, namely, he knows too much. Another major advantage of killing the hireling is you don’t have to pay him. Happens all the time in drug deals they persuade themselves that the mule (yacht owner ECT) is a security risk, do him in and save the money they owe him while eliminating a potential future witness.

    • Troll: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Meimou
  100. @Dave Bowman

    Or as smart as all the posters here who think so but don’t feel a need to comment on that issue.

    The real question here for you to confront yourself with is why the need for such ad hominem.

  101. chris says:
    @Greg Bacon

    In order to see how over-the-top the unsubstantiated Russian vilificatons are, one only has to imagine what the general reaction would be if one was to incessantly use the same type of unsubstantiated conclusions in order to blame say, Israel for such political interference. (Though in that case, obviously such conclusions may be much more substantiable.)

    Amazing, that after teaching us all just how wrong and dangerous scape-goating is, they themselves should be so diffident about imposing such limitations on themselves and their acolytes.

  102. @Brabantian

    “Pamela Anderson is Israel’s N.1 fan ” thedailybeast.com
    “Pamela Anderson finally spills the beans that she is ‘romantic’ with Zionist agent Julian Assange ”
    renegadetribune.com
    So that explains why Pamela Anderson was visiting Julian Assange in London and why he is a gatekeeper on 9/11 .

  103. @Z-man

    There are 2 that I know of who are ex CIA, Robert David Steele and Steve Pieczenik , their websites are RobertDavidSteele.com and Stevepieczenik.com, while I don’t agree with everything they say, I do agree with most of it.

    By the way I am just about done reading the book Under an Ionized Sky; From Chemtrails To Space Fence Lockdown, by Elana Freeland, it is a mind blowing exposure of the MIC and chemtrails and electronic warfare committed against we Americans, it can be had on amazon.com, and should be read by every American, I knew things were bad, but not how bad!

    • Thanks: Z-man
  104. What evidence is there that Seth Rich was killed ? See:
    “His name was Seth Rich- 2019 “Kindle Edition By Martin Weiker , amazon.com :
    “Three years have passed since Seth Rich’s murder on Flagler Place. No autopsy report, no ballistic results , no toxicology screening , no neighborhood surveillance footage nor police body camera videos have been made public . Although the reward has reached $500,000 not one witness has come forward.”
    Since Martin Weiker wrote this in 2019 what other evidence concerning Seth Rich’s death has been made public ?

  105. Am I correct in saying that Giraldi implied an Israeli involvement in the hack of the DNC server in the opening paragraph? That Rich may have been a zionist mole who stole the info, and later was disposed of to make sure he told no tales?

    Why mention Epstein being an Israeli agent unless you’re comparing him to Rich?

    Given Trump’s love for Zion it is a fascinating theory.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  106. TGD says:

    This foul deed will never be solved. Reminds me of the unsolved murder of Mary Eno Pinchot Meyer, one of JFK’s girlfriends, who was shot and killed while walking on a towpath in Georgetown (Washington, DC) on October 12, 1964. Her former husband was Cord Meyer, a CIA operative.

    Her diaries went missing. What secrets did they hold?

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  107. @AnonStarter

    With perpetual Offspeck Sean, 🌟 AnonStarter discussed “‘Speculation.”

    Okay, okay? Will indulge too.

    Am considering the mindset of Seth Rich, months/weeks/days prior to, and on that fatal early morning. 🤔

    Aware of danger, I reckon Seth wisely hesitated to call/email anyone; including friends, associates. Indeed, he likely knew better than to make contact with the compromised D.C. police for help.

    Not particularly judgemental, am also troubled how his parents quickly reacted against Detective Wheeler’s reasonable post-murder finding. 🤔

    In general, such action lends me to speculate how fear could provoke even a murdered son’s father & mother to “shut up” for fear of their own lives. *

    Seth Rich was far worse off than his being merely a “Man Without a Country.” Was a WikiDeadman Walking, 💀and he was one unique Jewish American 🙏who could not even seek political asylum at Israel’s D.C. embassy.

    * Springsteen’s account (lyric), “What you do to survive kills things you love…, Fear’s a powerful thing.” L.P. , Devils and Dust.”

    Post scriptum: Long ago, LHO’s wife, Marina, changed her tune as to what her lonegunman was capable of, and of course, widow Jaqueline Kennedy, did not let the “Conspiracy Bugs” bite.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  108. Lisa says: • Website
    @Greg Bacon

    Americans have short memories. Julian Assange is a Russian agent who blocks 9/11 truth. Assange also has ties to Cass Sunstein. Assange went into “business” during the Obama administration.
    https://www.opdeepstate.com/2019/04/13/the-dirt-on-julian-assange/

    • Replies: @Popeye
  109. @Sean McBride

    Possible certainly but we are only speculating about that “research of others” aren’t we?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  110. @Sean

    Add in that the investigation(s) may not be in the hands of someone motivated to treat solution as one of his life’s great objectives. Imagine the experienced police officer being urged by a young enthusiast to make something of the extraordinary coincidences to solve the case. “Ah, my young friend, as they say in the crude circles I work in ‘shit happens’ “.

    • Replies: @Sean
  111. @Wizard of Oz

    oZ to Sean McBride: “Possible certainly but we are only speculating about that “research of others” aren’t we?”

    (Zigh)

    When ZUS crime scene investigations are under suspicion, what’s left is speculation and the “research of others” , i.e., Hersh, under certain condemnation. 👹

  112. Popeye says:
    @Robert Dolan

    And don’t forget…sweet Tulsi was smeared as Kremlin asset. As was Jill Stein. Next up…mayor Bloomberg is Kremlin flunkie?!?$?!!??

  113. As soon as Trump started bending over backwards for the Israelis, I knew they were behind the “leak” Who has gained the most from Trumps Presidency? Israel, Wall St., The MIC. But I think it goes back to Obama admin. meddling in Israels 2015 election.

    I honestly don’t even know if the Seth Rich sstory is real or just deception. If he is real, he was working for the Israelis. He’s probably not dead, like Epstein. If he is dead and the whole robbery story is real, the Israelis probably whacked him, wouldn’t be the first time. Jew mob.

    Israel would be the prime suspect. Assange I wonder about sometimes. He probably won’t last long under Trump and his gang of Jewish supremacists and Neocon psychos.

    Sanders has hinted at dropping charges, not prosecuting journalists under espionage act, Tulsi has said she would drop charges on Assange, Manning and Snowden

  114. Seth Rich was killed while walking home for 2 miles in Washington DC – at night, in an area where there had been a lot of robberies. Even somebody as woke as Rich would have known that this was an extremely dangerous thing to do. The “botched robbery” theory is not implausible.

    He was shot in the back, but had bruises suggesting a struggle had taken place. Nothing was stolen. He died 90 minutes later in hospital.

    Likely the hoodlums expected him to hand over his valuables, but he put up a fight and managed to escape. Perhaps they shot him in the back in retaliation for whatever injuries he had inflicted upon them, or maybe for failing to show “respect”. They did not take anything because they realized they had to leave as quickly as possible.

    • LOL: Mike P
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  115. Jett Rucker says: • Website

    We will never have/know the truth . The truth only becomes more-inaccessible as time passes.
    The exceptions, rare as they are, are the origin of the contrary perception.

  116. Castellio says:
    @Sean McBride

    You are leveraging off the firm principles of others – not to reveal sources – to forward your own lack of principle… create confusion to undermine Wikileaks as much as possible, and protect the perpetrators.

    For that, you certainly have a lot of time on your hands…

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  117. @getaclue

    WikiLeaks promised never to expose the identities of its sources, but then Assange and some leading WikiLeaks members strongly tried to suggest that Seth Rich was the source of the DNC emails without offering proof.

    WikiLeaks made a mess of this issue and damaged its credibility. No one can be sure what really went on with regard to the DNC material. Contending parties can find legitimate justifications for their views — including the view that Assange casting attention towards Rich was a form of dishonest misdirection.

  118. FB says: • Website
    @Brabantian

    Will people in general ever realise that the pro-Israel, anti-9-11-truth Assange –Whom Netanyahu bragged is an Israeli Mossad asset shielding Israel…

    Well…that’s an interesting hypothesis…that Assange is fake and nothing more than a deep state psyop cutout…certainly this kind of ‘conspiracy theory’ is by nature practically impossible to refute…[just as it is impossible to confirm]…

    I must admit I have entertained this idea too…Assange’s endorsement of the utterly discredited 911 narrative is a bit disconcerting, but it could be that 911 is something that he just hasn’t delved into very seriously…no person on earth gets EVERYTHING right…so everyone deserves the benefit of a Mulligan from time to time…

    I think his work has also done a lot of good…but then we get into the deep weeds about ‘gatekeeping,’ ‘controlled opposition’ and such…

    Out of curiosity I did look up your reference to Peter W Smith…, an electrical engineer and investment banker who did commit ‘suicide’ at age 81 in 2017…

    He is described by wikipedia as a GOP ‘operative’ who tried to hire hackers [including Russians] to get dirt on Killary in the 2016 campaign…he apparently then steered those unknown ‘hackers’ to Wikileaks…[and from there the mainstream narrative that those Russian hackers then gave Assange the Hillary, Podesta and DNC emails…]

    Now just from the quick wikipedia briefing, it seems that some of Smith’s own emails were, in turn, hacked [by unknown persons]…and somehow ended up on the DC Leaks website, which the the US ‘intelligence community’ claims is a GRU psyops operation…and which was named in that laughable Mueller-Rosenstein ‘indictment’ of twelve Russian GRU agents last year…

    Yes, it gets complicated very fast…are we to believe any of this is connected to reality in any way…and btw, Michael Flynn and Roger Stone are prominent in this story too…

    But even from this wikipedia story, one immediately notices some interesting inconsistencies…if the DC leaks website is a Russian Intel operation…why then would they publish Smith’s self-incriminating emails, if Smith is playing on their team…?

    After all, he seems to be the one who got the Russian hackers going after Killary, and then connected them with Assange…practically the whole story
    sewn up right there…he also apparently raised $150,000 ‘the Washington Scholarship Fund for the Russian students’…

    Anyway…that’s as far as I want to entertain this riddle…the intel agencies are certainly masters of psyops [as well as spyops]…so it gets very difficult to find some solid ground…

  119. @Castellio

    It was the WikiLeaks people, including Assange, and not me, who helped turn the spotlight on Seth Rich regarding the DNC emails. They are the source of confusion on this issue and they have undermined themselves.

    My principles lead me to follow the facts wherever they lead in pursuit of truth, and to never hesitate to change my mind when new facts warrant a change.

  120. Ron Unz says:

    Hmmm…

    Threads like this are pretty useful in smoking out some of the many “agents” that infest this website…

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Popeye
    , @Meimou
  121. TRM says:
    @Sean

    “If Epstein was an Israeli intelligence agent he would never have been in prison in the first place. ”

    Ben Menashe disagrees with you. Put in prison for show, faked death and whisked out of the country never to be seen again. That is very much Mossad playbook.

  122. @ChuckOrloski

    AnonStarter discussed “‘Speculation.”

    I wouldn’t say I “discussed” it so much as I threw it back at him.

    Sure, this forum is ripe for all sorts of conjecture, some of which is qualitatively superior to others. Sean’s task is to throw a wrench in the works by introducing alternative guesswork in an attempt to undermine the inferences of Mr. Giraldi, et al. He’s transparent to most of us, thank God, but we’re not his target audience.

    Fortunately, I have yet to see anyone aside from other spookish characters take his bait.

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  123. Both the hack vs. leak viewpoints have marshaled considerable technical analysis in the media to bolster their arguments, but the analysis suffers from the decidedly strange fact that the FBI never even examined the DNC servers that may have been involved. The hack school of thought has stressed that Russia had both the ability and motive to interfere in the election by exposing the stolen material while the leakers have recently asserted that the sheer volume of material downloaded indicates that something like a higher speed thumb drive was used, meaning that it had to be done by someone with actual physical direct access to the DNC system. Someone like Seth Rich.

    From the linked article on Consortium News:

    On the evening of July 5, 2016, 1,976 megabytes of data were downloaded from the DNC’s server. The operation took 87 seconds. This yields a transfer rate of 22.7 megabytes per second.

    The only way to reliably establish the transfer rate is by examining the server logs of the DNC computers. The “Forensicator” study cited by Consortium News looked instead at the metadata – datestamps – of the dumped files. But these had been modified, probably by the pseudonymous “Forensicator” himself. This was reported nearly two years ago in an article by Duncan Campbell, who is not exactly an enthusiast of our 3-letter agencies:

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

  124. @Ron Unz

    Much agreed.

    We see the same names crop up time and again, consistently struggling to undermine the more reasonable inferences, whether it concerns 9/11, Epstein, Seth Rich, Palestine, or any other topic which the usual suspects would rather we not discuss in any manner but one wholly quiescent before their sacred narrative.

    Looks like they haven’t got much left in the way of opposition. Publicizing you would be a blunder of epic proportions on their behalf, but I sense that even the silent treatment isn’t going to succeed much longer.

  125. @getaclue

    NSA Whistleblower Bill Binney is credible– it wasn’t the “RUSSIANS” — regardless of how many times that gets parroted about by whoever for whatever reason:

    Bill Binney appears to have changed his mind.

    https://www.computerweekly.com/news/252445769/Briton-ran-pro-Kremlin-disinformation-campaign-that-helped-Trump-deny-Russian-links

    Some former intelligence officials, from a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS), backed up the claim [that the files were obtained by copying in the USA]. A group, including William Binney, a former technical director at the US National Security Agency (NSA), and former CIA officer Ray McGovern, were persuaded, without checking the file data, to say that the hacking was the work of insiders.

    A month after visiting CIA headquarters [on 24 October 2017], Binney came to Britain. After re-examining the data in Guccifer 2.0 files thoroughly with the author of this article, Binney changed his mind. He said there was “no evidence to prove where the download/copy was done”. The Guccifer 2.0 files analysed by Leonard’s g-2.space were “manipulated”, he said, and a “fabrication”.

    • Replies: @getaclue
    , @AnonStarter
  126. @James N. Kennett

    A common robber stalking the streets in the very early hours of the morning who doesn’t bother to take the wallet of a man he’s just shot in the back sounds pretty implausible to me. It would take all of about 5 seconds and that was what he supposedly was there for, or was he out just taking some fresh air?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  127. Popeye says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Well let’s assume that Seth was on track to out DNC shenanigans against Bernie. An interesting theory. Now go one step farther. What does Bernie think about this idea? Has it been raised to him? If so is he keeping it low key…. perhaps to avoid fatal consequences? Bernie…like him or not… doesn’t seem to be one who keeps silent on any issue that strikes his fancy…just some thoughts here

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  128. Popeye says:
    @Ron Unz

    ….the most astonishing coincidence in all of American history… seems to be…the killing of Lee Oswald– in the basement of the Dallas Police Department. You’d figure he’d have more cops and FBI protecting him than the Queen of England, but, sorry, no dice

    • Agree: Trinity
  129. @Popeye

    I was wondering if old man Bernie might just catch that nasty, nasty cold which seems to be going around.

    I hear mortality is highest in old farts with heart and lung conditions.

    Now wouldn’t THAT be a convenient coincidence for DNC party bigwigs and donors……?

    • Replies: @Popeye
  130. Popeye says:
    @Ron Unz

    Yes indeed… enough research for a month of Sundays…the various comments on this article…if I’m correct…state or imply that assange is an Israeli agent, a Russian agent and/or a CIA asset. Quite a series of achievements for a relatively young man. But no one has stated that old Julian was working for Israel, the Kremlin and the Company all at once, and funneling selective bits and pieces to Cuban intelligence, the ChiComs and …his own Aussie intelligence. The Renaissance Man in reverse

  131. Popeye says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    In 1841 old WM. Henry Harrison died after a month as president. There’s speculation he was poisoned, by arsenic. So for old Bernie he needs to make it through the summer to Milwaukee, and the election, and taking office. Hopefully the old m.f. doesn’t drink too much leinenkugel in Milwaukee, and pop an artery in his brain. That’d be a tragic outcome for the menshevik from Burlington

  132. getaclue says:
    @James N. Kennett

    The ComputerWeekly “journalist” seems to be big on making things up — did you read the article? Full of bs — reads like a propaganda sheet– garbage. To be specific to you though what is said about Binney is TOTAL lying bs — he has affirmed this year 2020 (that article from the CW “freelancer” is from 2018) that he stands completely by what I stated:

    “The meeting was for Pompeo to learn the facts about Russiagate. So I said that I would tell him exactly what I know. I had been able to find out from open-source information that was posted by the Guccifer 2 alleged persona. I told him all of that. I told him that the agencies were lying to him. That it took me a few hours time to determine download speeds from open source material after they have sent billions of dollars, and they can’t find the same? Something is very wrong there is what I told him,” Binney told National File.

    Binney has spoken frequently about the evidence he found from his own investigations, and about his expert findings at the NSA, developing intelligence about Russia and cybersecurity. He has written up expert testimony in a sworn statement that is in the hands of the lawyers for Roger Stone and General Mike Flynn, both of whom face prison time for process crimes associated with Russiagate. Despite many naysayers in the establishment press and even in Congress, Binney’s position remains that the Russians could not have possibly hacked the DNC.

    “Guccifer 2 had been tracked back to the CIA. It was a fabrication and I have been pointing it back to the C.I.A., which is a separate set of data the the DNC hack. Look at the download speeds, they could not have been transcribed across the net. It looked to me that two files were made by one file and split in two, that Guccifer was faking a hack,” Binney explained.” — so your “journalist” there at ComputerWeekly is just making things up, if you read the entire article it has the stench of complete propaganda — seems he is a Guardian “freelancer” which would make sense–putrid Leftist propaganda lying rag that hates Assange and has a pro-Leftist spin on everything and has been all in on the “Russia, Russia, Russia” hoax form day one. I see nowhere else this statement as to Binney in ANY media — and in fact if you research you will see it is clear he has never changed his position — there was no “hack” by “Russia” it was a leak and the “Russia, Russia, Russia” bs is a hoax and has been from day one.

    • Replies: @james charles
  133. NPleeze says:
    @plantman

    in Rich’s case, they probably felt like they had no choice. Think about it: The DNC had already rigged the primary against Bernie, the Podesta emails had already been sent to Wikileaks, and if Rich’s cover was blown, then he would publicly identify himself as the culprit (which would undermine the Russiagate narrative) which would split the Democratic party in two leaving Hillary with no chance to win the election.

    Sorry, that’s a bunch of nonsense. Rich had already done the damage he could do. The emails were out. The DNC’s corruption was front-page news. When intel agencies kill someone, which is a risky business, they do it BEFORE the damage is done.

    And why would Rich being revealed as the source split the Democratic Party? This is all partisan idiocy. It was a far greater risk to kill Rich – because if that came out …. And the way he was killed, there was no assurance the killer would not be caught (at the time of the murder – obviously they can cover it up afterwards, like they always do).

    In fact, if it were a hit, why wouldn’t they have taken Rich’s valuables? Any hit worth a damn that tries to be a “robbery” knows enough to take some articles of value to give credence to the robbery analysis.

    no other way to deflect responsibility for the emails while paving the way for an election victory.

    How did killing Rich deflect responsibility for the emails? You might have a weak argument if there was evidence Rich was going to do a TV morning show round claiming he released the emails and why, but there simply is no evidence of that. Nor, more importantly, is there any evidence that blaming the leak on Russians somehow absolved the DNC of any guilt. Plus they could always claim, just as credibly, that Rich was working for the Russians.

    If Seth Rich went public, then Hillary would certainly lose.

    Utter hogwash. But Epstein’s death … that one is much more easily placed on Trump. But of course you TrumpTARD cultists won’t do that … because you are irrational TrumpTARD cultists.

    • Replies: @Meimou
  134. @James N. Kennett

    Bill Binney appears to have changed his mind.

    Not really.

    Opinion: On The Latest Establishment Attack Launched Against WikiLeaks, Independent Media

    Disobedient Media recently spoke with former NSA Technical Director Bill Binney, a co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, who was featured in Campbell’s article.

    Binney told us that he stands by the assessment made in the VIPS memorandum to President Trump, published last year. He told us that Duncan misrepresented his statements describing Guccifer 2.0 [as] a fabrication. While speaking with us, Binney utterly refuted Campbell’s dishonest portrayal of Binney having changed his stance on the issue. …

    Binney confirmed that, though Campbell captured the essence of what he said in terms of referencing a fraud, Campbell distorted Binney’s view by framing its presentation so as to appear as if he had changed his mind on the matter.

    Oops.

    Why don’t you and Sean take a break already? Don’t you think you guys are a little too obvious?

    • Agree: Meimou
    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  135. @NoseytheDuke

    Equally, someone with reason to want it to be considered a robbery gone wrong *would* have taken the wallet.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @dimples
  136. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    A squad of ordinary cops caught the Watergate burglars, who were experienced covert operatives. There are automated gunshot detectors covering where Rich was shot and the police were in the spot within a minute. Targeting Rich for assassination with a fake robbery seems very high risk to me, but then I am not of that twilight world.

    My argument was that people who went ahead with what appears to be the insanely risky and thus unbelievable gambit of murdering Rich over the Wikileaks DNC connection would have specialised expertise, and be operating with different assumptions to the rest of us. Apparent probabilities in incidents they were able to set up and stage are not much use.

  137. Does anyone have a copy of the police report on the shooting and a copy of the medical records and autopsy on Seth Rich? In light of the controversy over the alleged suicide of Jeffrey Epstein , there are justifiably some suspicions regarding the why and how of Rich’s death . See my comments #106 and #34 above.

  138. Does anybody want to talk about the grand jury investigation into the murder of Seth Rich and Mikhail Lesin? https://litvenenko.blog/2019/11/01/obstruction-of-justice-seth-rich-mikhail-lesin-and-the-comey-memos/

  139. Trinity says:
    @Popeye

    I’ve always thought that was odd how Jacob Rubenstein had no problem whatsoever getting to Oswald. Like you, I would have thought that Oswald would have been surrounded by cops and FBI agents and wearing a bullet proof vest as well. Given the high profile suspects and the international implications involved in the Epstein sex scandal you would think the FBI would have placed a couple of agents outside of Epstein’s cell instead of two ordinary flunkie correction officers as well. Odd isn’t it? lololol.

    • Replies: @Popeye
    , @Wizard of Oz
  140. A123 says:

    Over 30 convenient deaths by suicide near Hillary and Bill Clinton: (1)

    February 15, 1977, Suzanne Coleman committed suicide.
    August 10, 1991, Danny Casolaro committed suicide.

    July 10, 1993, Vince Foster committed suicide.

    May 16, 1996, Jeremy Michael Boorda committed suicide.

    Although only a partial list the above account for fifteen suicides of people closely connected with Bill and Hillary Clinton. Likewise, there are literally dozens of other deaths which find the Clintons as their nexus. (One of the most compelling being the death of Clinton Commerce Secretary Ron Brown who publicly implied he was willing to testify against the President when his plane crashed…the air traffic controller later, as one might suppose, having committed suicide.)

    I am not a big believer in conspiracy theories, but the growing pile of bodies seems too high to be coincidence. Vince Foster’s death should have been handled as a murder investigation.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.pravdareport.com/world/135307-hillary_clinton_suicides/

    • Replies: @anonymous
  141. Meimou says:
    @Sean

    Called a troll by Unz himself. Impressive.

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
  142. Meimou says:
    @Ron Unz

    *coughs*Sean*coughs*

    …Or he be a “skeptic”. They do for free what professional shills get paid to do. “Skeptics” have a religious compulsion to defend the official narrative.

  143. Meimou says:
    @NPleeze

    In fact, if it were a hit, why wouldn’t they have taken Rich’s valuables?

    If it were a robbery why wouldn’t they take Rich’s valuables?

    Any hit worth a damn that tries to be a “robbery” knows enough to take some articles of value to give credence to the robbery analysis.

    It’s possible that the hit was made to hurt the DNC, but it could have been revenge. Podasta said mentioned someone needed to pay for the leaks.

    Utter hogwash. But Epstein’s death … that one is much more easily placed on Trump. But of course you TrumpTARD cultists won’t do that … because you are irrational TrumpTARD cultists.

    As if Trump runs things.

    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
    , @NPleeze
  144. geokat62 says:

    Coming to a theatre near you:

  145. Art says:

    “He Was Going to Name Names… And Ends Up with a Bullet In Him” – Gohmert Remembers Friend Phil Haney

  146. @AnonStarter

    Binney told us that he stands by the assessment made in the VIPS memorandum to President Trump, published last year. He told us that Duncan misrepresented his statements describing Guccifer 2.0 a fabrication. While speaking with us, Binney utterly refuted Campbell’s dishonest portrayal of Binney having changed his stance on the issue.

    This appears to refer to the Guccifer 2.0 story, not the dates of the files.

    It is an important point. Somebody hands you a memory stick with some files. The dates of the files could have been changed quite easily, even if the filenames and contents are genuine.

    In your linked article, Binney goes on to say

    Binney told this author that he referred specifically to Guccifer 2.0 as a fabrication, adding that it doesn’t matter where the information was downloaded, or when, or that the information was manipulated, because the point is that it was not hacked, and the who/where does not alter that fact. He said that Guccifer 2.0 was: “Clearly a fabrication, a fake, put out there to confuse. Timing is irrelevant, fake is fake. You can manipulate timing, you can change anything, but it doesn’t matter. It makes no difference.”

    … unless you try to use the datestamps to show that the files were copied too quickly to have been exfiltrated over the network.

    Why don’t you and Sean take a break already? Don’t you think you guys are a little too obvious?

    The problem we have is that all the players in this drama are lying. The Democrats are lying that Trump was in collusion with the Russians; the Right is lying because, instead of rejecting the Democrats’ charge, they are insisting on the much broader claim that Russian involvement was impossible; and the Russians themselves are lying. Some third parties support one set of lies or another, either for payment or for political reasons. The only winners are the Russians, who have discovered that they can reduce the US political system to mayhem with very little effort.

    The murder of Seth Rich is an extremely important unsolved case, and nothing would please me more than to see Hillary Clinton and members of the DNC indicted for conspiracy to murder him; but I don’t yet see the evidence to warrant such charges.

  147. JPMRWB says:

    I thought the article was informative but did not add the technical data that is very helpful in explaining why the Russians did not hack the DNC but it had to be a inside job using a thumb drive directly to the server.

    July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

    https://consortiumnews.com/vips-memos/. You will find the complete article by intel veterans that challenged the Russian did it. The consortium of the intel veterans are a prestigous group. The first name shown for the group is William Binney, former NSA Technical Director and co-founder of NSA’s Signal Intelligence.

  148. geokat62 says:
    @James N. Kennett

    The only winners are the Russians, who have discovered that they can reduce the US political system to mayhem with very little effort.

    You must mean the (((Russians))), no?

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  149. JPMRWB says:
    @James N. Kennett

    July 5, 2016: In the early evening, Eastern Daylight Time, someone working in the EDT time zone with a computer directly connected to the DNC server or DNC Local Area Network, copied 1,976 MegaBytes of data in 87 seconds onto an external storage device. That speed is much faster than what is physically possible with a hack.

    William Binney agreed with the above assessment. He is probably the top guy you would go to and find out about the so-called hack.

    If what is said, it would be a no- brainer to stop the Russian hack scenerio.

  150. @Sean McBride

    I’ve been suspicious of Wikileaks from the start. There has never been a release putting Israel in a bad light. That said, I suppose partial exposure of government corruption and murder is better than none.
    IMO the Seth Rich hit was a message to anyone in the know: Open your mouth, and you will be next. Recall how all of the witnesses to Ariel Sharon’s war crimes charges in Belgium mysteriously “died”.
    These people are psychopaths, and won’t stop until there are real consequences for them.

    As for Murray and the Virginia Giuffre narrative, as far as I can tell he’s a “feminist”, meaning everything a woman says must be taken as gospel truth. Despite Andrew’s ancient relatives being Stuarts, Murray sees the Monarchy as “English” and therefore inherently evil. I suppose that would be natural for someone who thinks “Scottish Independence” means leaving the UK to rejoin the EU.

  151. @geokat62

    To J. N(othin’) K., geo said: “You must mean the (((Russians))), no?”
    • Troll: ChuckOrloski”

    Pardon me? Tap finger missed, meant to post “LOL,” geo.😏

    • Replies: @geokat62
  152. @HandSignals4th Blind

    Sorry, but unvetted hacking and dumping of files is not journalism

    That may be true, but WikiLEAKS has never hacked anything, and has been selective about what it has LEAKED, just like Daniel Ellsberg and, for that matter “Deep Throat”.

  153. @Jefferson Temple

    What “hack” of the DNC computer? Crowdstrike, the DNC’s IT people claimed there was a hack. The DNC has refused to hand over the computer(s) or servers for examination. The claim has never been proven.

    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  154. @Rev. Spooner

    No fish today, Rev. Only on Fridays, especially now that holy of holies are here!

  155. @Meimou

    If Seth Rich knew about DNC corruption, so did dozens of others. In that case a hit man wouldn’t want it to look like a robbery, but a hit, to keep all others silent to include reporters.

    • Agree: Meimou
  156. @Sean

    If Epstein was an Israeli intelligence agent he would never have been in prison in the first place. The foods sucks and the sex is worse.

    Yes. If Epstein was in that prison. Russ Winter of winterwatch.org covered this very well and gives updates, type EPSTEIN in their search box.

    Look at the court reporter’s drawings of the supposed Epstein at his arraignment who has the same unusual earlobe seen in photos of a corpse being wheeled out of that prison.

    • Replies: @Sean
  157. onewhoseeks : “Ruminating on the Seth Rich Murder conspiracy and how it relates to Pizzagate,
    Q anon , Trump, Zionists , MK Ultra , and the Jewish Third Temple and End Times prophecies “ steemit.com
    “…there are a number of things wrong with the narrative , chief among them being the fact that no death certificate , autopsy report or forensic report for the crime scene has ever been released to the public to provide evidence that a murder even took place . That’s how bogus the narrative is – we have NO proof that he was murdered at all…I do believe that there is a foreign interest involved in the leaks
    but I don’t believe it was Russia . It was Israel. Once again, remember that Seth Rich trained with the IDF in Israel during his youth and went to Summer camps there …I assert that Seth Rich was an Israeli intelligence operative and that Wikileaks is complicit with Israeli intelligence…The issues raised by the DNC leaks have been used again and again by Trump supporters to ensure his popularity …I argue that what we are seeing is not a Deep State take down of Trump …but a power struggle between factions …The Zionists are throwing some of their previous assets …onto the fire …Remember the [old?] Mossad motto :’By way of deception thou shalt wage war’” By onewhoseeks .

  158. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Pardon me? Tap finger missed, meant to post “LOL,” geo.😏

    No problem, Chuck. I’ve done that more than a few times myself. That’s how I inadvertently discovered that the agree/disagree buttons are reversible, as long as you replace it with something else.

    Go ahead and give it a try. If you click the LOL button for comment #152, it should immediately remove the word “Troll.”

  159. NPleeze says:
    @Meimou

    If it were a robbery why wouldn’t they take Rich’s valuables?

    Well, if you kill someone the police investigation becomes massive and so you don’t want to tie yourself to the crime by being caught with the victim’s possessions. Pretty obvious, isn’t it? Of course, the intel agencies have no reason to worry about being caught, so they would take some items to confuse the sheeple (since a stupid robber would probably take stuff too, it’s not inconsistent with a robbery to take stuff from a murdered victim).

    Podasta said mentioned someone needed to pay for the leaks.

    What Rich (probably) did is a crime. They prosecute people for stuff like that all the time – you remember Manning, and Assange? No need to go kill him to get him to “pay” for that. They could also black-list him from jobs, etc.

    As if Trump runs things.

    He’s got lots of power. He can stop wars, he can pardon people, he can veto laws, he can make Executive Orders, he can make national TV appearances, etc. If he were being “controlled” he could spill the beans. But he doesn’t, does he? The only ones claiming he is being secretly controlled by his enemies is … TrumpTARDs.

  160. alexander says:

    DEAR BERNIE.

    I have had an auto parts store for over 20 years. I am worth almost 20 million dollars,..I have been vehemently opposed to all our criminal wars of aggression …since 9-11. Why should I be forced to pony up half my estate to our government, while our neocons, who defrauded us into these criminal wars, go absolutely scott free ?

    Shouldn’t they pay for their crimes before I (we, the people ) are forced to ?

    Where is the justice and accountability in your “plan” ?

    Why should I be forced to pony up half my estate to pay for their “war fraud” just because I am
    a successful business man ?

    Where is the “Social Justice” in that ?
    Shouldn’t the Neocons, who lied us into war, be forced to “pay” for their crimes and their deceits
    before we do ?

    WHERE IS THE ACCOUNTABILITY ?

    Why are their ” lies” worth half my family estate ?

    WHY IS WAR FRAUD “A- OKAY’ with BERNIE SANDERS ?

    WHY HASN’T DONALD TRUMP DRAINED THE SWAMP ?

    Can someone explain why Bernie is not as much of a tool of the 1% warmongers as anyone else ?

    OR IS IT ALL, ONE BIG , TWENTY TWO TRILLION DOLLAR JOKE ON THE US TAXPAYERS ?,

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  161. Please see my “Russiagate: The Miserable Truth” published on Aug 21, 2019 at https://www.globalresearch.ca/russiagate-miserable-truth/5686762
    Bottom Line: Seth Rich had to be eliminated before Russiagate could be perpetrated.

    • Thanks: James N. Kennett
  162. @Curmudgeon

    I didn’t mean to imply to a remote hack. Just a direct access of the server for unauthorized purposes. Maybe my terminology is wrong.

    I’ve assumed from very close to the beginning that Rich was the source and that Team Hillary had him killed. But then Hillary would make a perfect scapegoat for the real culprits since so many of us just assume that any untimely death with any connection, no matter how small, to the Clintons is just one more addition to their body count.

  163. @Popeye

    Truer words were never spoken. If you know nothing else about the Kennedy assassination, the murder of Oswald ON LIVE TELEVISION alone should disabuse anyone in believing the official explanation. Of course, reading about Jack Ruby and his associates is just icing on the cake.

  164. Sean says:
    @David riskanalyst

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7250009/Netanyahu-challenger-Ehud-Barak-hides-face-enters-entering-Jeffrey-Epsteins-mansion.html

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html

    [O]n Aug. 16, 2018, I visited Jeffrey Epstein at his cavernous Manhattan mansion. The overriding impression I took away from our roughly 90-minute conversation was that Mr. Epstein knew an astonishing number of rich, famous and powerful people, and had photos to prove it. He also claimed to know a great deal about these people, some of it potentially damaging or embarrassing, including details about their supposed sexual proclivities and recreational drug use.

    Israel intelligence would never have permitted Epstein to compromise national hero Barak. Therefore Epstein was not one of theirs.

    Not only once friendly with Trump, Jewish and close to Ehud Barak (who was visiting him as late as 2016), Epstein was convicted child molester who was giving interviews in his huge Manhattan mansion and rambling to reporters on blackmail material on powerful people’s sex lives . If Epstein had been an agent of Mossad, why would they leave this loose cannon in his America to become a PR disaster for them and their pal Trump? Epstein would have been told to keep a low profile and move to Israel or Bali. Joining Mossad (or the GRU) is irrevocable commitment

    The DNC emails were available on the net and the subject of media reports before Wikileaks got them. What Assange did was make it a story. Media savviness, or the lack of it, is what all this is about. Control the script, and you can do more with rumours and allegations that assasinations.

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  165. @alexander

    (Zigh) haha, 😳alexander wrote: “DEAR BERNIE.”

    Dear Son of Ann Landers, 😂, al-Lander,

    All Zio Democrat president wannabe’s did a great job (to date) with skirting Seth Rich’s murder case & Trumpstein’s ‘lil bunny dalliances with Epstein, eh?

    “DEAR BERNIE.
    “Why should I be forced to pony up half my estate to our government, while our neocons, who defrauded us into these criminal wars, go absolutely scott free?”

    The Bern’s answer: “Bah, ask Biden! The fucker took South Carolina from me.”

    (Zigh) haha. And, following,🙈 there’s 99% more!
    “DEAR BERNIE,
    WHY HASN’T DONALD TRUMP DRAINED THE SWAMP?”

    The Bern’s answer: “Fuck you.”🤣

  166. NPleeze says:
    @Sean

    Israel intelligence would never have permitted Epstein to compromise national hero Barak. Therefore Epstein was not one of theirs.

    How exactly did Epstein compromise Barak? More than likely Barak was one of Epstein’s handlers. It was the Daily Mail which published the pictures, which in itself is surprising, someone didn’t get the memo (it’s difficult to get everyone on board with taboos like pedophilia – the Boys Town, and many similar, scandals broke too, each but for a short while, before they were solidly covered up).

    If Epstein had been an agent of Mossad, why would they leave this loose cannon in his America to become a PR disaster for them and their pal Trump?

    How long after his loose lips was Epstein arrested and murdered by the Trump regime?

    “Loose lips” (but not very loose) interview: Aug. 2018.
    Arrest: Jul. 6, 2019
    Murder: Aug. 10, 2019

    In between Aug. 2018 and Jul 2019 he probably was being warned not to step out of line, but then he must have done something that he did. Or maybe he didn’t, but the interview just motivated the rogue US attorney to arrest him, so the murder was a “forced” response to prevent him from talking.

    If anything your facts support the Mossad agency theory.

  167. @Ron Unz

    Since coincidences come up as part of the reasoning on UR very often it seems worth defining the unusual circumstances precisely. You have to factor in the probability of harm coming to someone who walks unaccompanied on DC streets at 4 am being attacked. Turning one’s mind to such probabilities it seems unlikely that street muggers would be going about their business at that hour though quite likely that – it being close to dawn – disappointed armed burglars might be returning home. I haven’t tried assessing the chance that he had been tracked all night by a hit man awaiting his chance, a hit man, moreover, who ignores the problem of sensors which pick up gun shots (referred to in some comment) and failed to use a silencer. I’m beginning to get the picture of someone keeping a young man’s hours who had the misfortune to be shot by disappointed burglars. One doesn’t need to stretch imagination too far to suppose that a companion grabbed the hotheaded gunman and said “don’t touch anything: we’ve got a minute to get lost”.
    PS. I would like Seth Rich to be the source of the leaks.

  168. @James N. Kennett

    In response to the following quote …

    NSA Whistleblower Bill Binney is credible– it wasn’t the “RUSSIANS” — regardless of how many times that gets parroted about by whoever for whatever reason

    … you wrote, “Bill Binney appears to have changed his mind,” thereafter citing a passage from Duncan’s hit-piece that clearly misrepresented Binney’s assessment.

    When called out on this, you now attempt to move the goalposts right before our eyes.

    Trust me. You need to take a break.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  169. Popeye says:
    @Lisa

    Haven’t seen that assange is Russian agent who blocks Sept 11 truth… details most appreciated. Thank you

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  170. Popeye says:
    @Trinity

    Yes indeed very odd… And extremely and suspiciously odd. If I was the president I’d have placed Epstein in the waiting room outside the FBI directors office with a round the clock military guard. With cot tv and microwave, so no harm happened to him. The alleged suicide in BoP facility in NYC is b.s. that smells worse than a paper bag of cat crap

  171. Popeye says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Well maybe Hillary or DNC won’t be indicted even in ten or twenty yrs. But like the murders of blacks and civil rights workers in the south in 1950s &1960s, it might take four or five decades to establish the truth..even if perpetrators are long gone. History has a funny way of catching up

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  172. geokat62 says:

    If you have the stomach, watch this 14 minute video of Lying Ted doing the Shabbos Goy Grovel like no other!

    Sen. Cruz Discusses US-Israel Relationship at 2020 AIPAC Policy Conference

    [MORE]

    TC – Well, sure, let me start by saying thank you to everyone who is here with AIPAC. You guys have a tremendous impact. And I think it’s never been more important than it is right now to strengthen and assure the bipartisan commitment to making stronger and unshakable America and Israel’s friendship and alliance [loud applause]. During the eight years I’ve been in the senate, I have resolved to be Israel’s strongest defender in the US senate [loud applause].

    Moderator – You’ve been a great friend, thank you…

    TC – That was a powerful explanation that there is not a moral equivalence between the brave IDF soldiers who are defending Israel and the terrorists who are targeting women and children [loud applause].

    [referring to the senate’s failure at the first attempt to pass antisemitism legislation] Well, as you know, I sought out Tim Kane (D-VA) and I said “Tim, the senate needs to do better. Let’s team up and demonstrate that we can do this right.” And, so, we crafted it together. It’s an unequivocal denunciation of antisemitism. It’s an unequivocal denunciation of BDS. And Tim and I took it together to the floor of the senate and we passed it unanimously [loud applause]…

    So, this whole fight between now and Election Day, I want to make it impossible to resuscitate this [Iran Nuclear] deal, because I don’t want to give billions to a theocratic lunatic that wants to kill us [thunderous applause]…

    It [2016 U.N. resolution condemning the illegal settlements] was based on a mountain of lies and I’ll tell you what I urged, I introduced legislation. I think the United States should halt our U.N. dues payments unless and until they rescind that shameful resolution [standing ovation]…

    So, the ICC is one of the most profound threats to Israel and it’s an attempt to use lawfare to go after Israel. The first time I went to Israel was right after I was elected in 2012. It was before I was sworn in. It was an AIPAC trip. I’ve been to Israel now four times. I remember that first time sitting in PM Nut’nYahoo’s office and he brought up the ICC back then. I hadn’t been sworn into office, but I had argued a case in the US Supreme Court called Medellin v. Texas that stood up and resisted the World Court and United Nations when they attempted to control the US justice system and I’d won a landmark 6-3 victory. So, Bibi and I talked back then about how do we press back against the ICC coming after us. So, we’ve been talking now for eight years when Bibi was here in DC with the president for the announcement of their efforts on peace. He and I sat down and had a very productive one-on-one… and I would say 80% of what we talked about was the ICC and how this is a moment in time… what I’d like to see is, I’d like to see an effort at the UNSC to prevent the ICC from moving against any nation state that is not a member. That would protect Israel and it would protect the United States from our enemies using the ICC to try to target our citizens and our soldiers for persecution… So, we’ve got a unique moment where if we can move through the Security Council a prohibition on the ICC going against non-member states, then that can’t change without an affirmative Security Council vote that a subsequent US Administration could veto. So, we flip the default. And look in terms of the ICC, if it ever acts as a legitimate tribunal, then nation states may decide they want to subject themselves to it. But, if it just remains a hotbed for anti-Israel hostility. If it remains a kangaroo court, then it’s not going to have the legitimacy. That actually incentives it to behave like a legitimate organization and not just a vehicle for antisemitism [applause].

    … and thank you to each of you. You guys are doing an amazing job!

    [since he neglected to complete his concluding sentence, I’ll do it for him: “You guys are doing an amazing job, screwing our country!”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  173. @Popeye

    Many or most conspiratorial crimes in high places are probably never uncovered, and in the long run it doesn’t matter in the slightest that they aren’t.

  174. @geokat62

    geo: “…video of Lying Ted doing the Shabbos Goy Grovel….”

    Ycch.

    Great name for the most popular Net-hootenanny dance in D.C. & Tel Aviv, geo.

    Thanks!

    • Thanks: geokat62
  175. Sean says:

    Do you know anyone in REAL LIFE who committed a murder? I have known more than one and I can tell you they were very odd ducks, believed the most fantastic things, and were notably unable to make the grade in normal life. Yet the image of an assassin being subscribed to here is of someone of supreme competence and daring. That perception comes from movies and books rather than empirical evidence. It is like the way people believe in martial arts because it is useful for the business of mass entertainment. However when the first mixed martial arts tournament was held the Bruce Lee style strikers were totally unable to defend themselves from the much less cinematic grapplers. What Clausewitz called friction is ever present in the real world.

    Epstein was trying to interject himself into the media through science, tech, philanthropy and he also floated rumours that he was advising Elon Musk, which is which is why the reporter wanted to interview him. It was all about vanity. The man made his money as a confidence trickster, and his self aggrandisement was not too different to the self obsessed Assange who let us not forget was accused by two women of sexual assault. Criminal personalities come unstuck because they think they are better than everyone else. The normal person knows their limitations.

  176. @Popeye

    Why would a “Russian agent” block “Sept 11 truth”. Who, as Russian agent, would Arrange be seeking to protect amongst the plausible candidates in 9/11 conspiracy theories?

    The idea that Arrange was ever any kind of Russian agent seems absurd to me and Lisa is clearly talking through her hat as Arrange “went into business” long before the Obama administration.

    That he might have been fed stuff hacked by the Russians is a completely different issue.

  177. @Trinity

    Why would the FBI use its resources that way? Why would the FBI decide that he was at such risk of suicide or of being murdered that ordinary precautions were not enough? And what would it have taken? Some senior FBI officer has got to take seriously the possible Mossad involvement and to decide that murder or suicide would be embarrassing to the FBI. Why would he when the FBI would be relieved of its expenses of the trial and avoid all the publicity about FBI prior knowledge of and dealings with Epstein – or lack thereof – which would be a gift for sensational media coverage?

  178. @obwandiyag

    Sean writes some interesting and often plausibly reasoned stuff. Interesting that our host has singled him out for unfavourable attention and called him a Troll some comments back in response I think to a less than meticulously crafted comment. Now you have called him a shill. Who for and on what evidence? Would you please elaborate?

    I have some instinctive sympathy for Sean’s reasoned quibbles but I do acknowledge that his great labours are in an entirely different category from my own almost frivolously disinterested nitpicking which could hardly exist if I had an American’s practical and emotional reasons for caring about many of the issues raised on UR rather than Australian’s hope to avoid chaotic consequences of America’s relative, and probably absolute, decline by so many criteria.

    • Replies: @Sean
  179. @AnonStarter

    When called out on this, you now attempt to move the goalposts right before our eyes.

    Trust me. You need to take a break.

    Don’t resort to ad hominem so quickly. The “proof” that the files were not exfiltrated by the Russians rests on file datestamps that are unreliable.

    Now, if the Seymour Hersh recording is genuine (and has not been misleadingly edited), and if Hersh’s source in the FBI is telling the truth, that changes the situation. It would be nice to know that the FBI is still actively pursuing the case.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
    , @AnonStarter
  180. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It was a little trollishly made, but I think the idea I was trying to get across is that dissidence within institutions is kept in line by career channeling rather than assassination. At the highest level, Patrick Moynihan was promoted by the Neocons as an intellectual (his finest hour was the 1975 “…. whatever else Zionism may be, it is not and cannot be “a form of racism” speech delivered he made after the U.N. declared that Zionism is racism.). But at a certain point he had to choose between the Democratic Party ideals he held and the Neocon cabal that was trying to change the definition of liberal around him.

    KRISTOL said neoconservatism rejected “equality of condition” as “a proper goal for government to pursue.” Moynihan, by contrast, had said in The Negro Family: The Case for National Action in 1965 that equality of condition was the next step in the fight for racial equality

    Rich hadn’t been raping interns, caught with his hand in the cookie jar, or told he was not working out. He was Jewish, and young. I don’t see any conceivable motive for him to stab the people who gave him his dream job in the back. He was one of them and in his own mind on track for great things. They use a carrot rather than a gun to the head because it is more effective. Yet we are to believe he was willing to betray confidences between his bosses (the DNC were not the Pentagon Papers) and lose the respect of the his significant other, family and all his friends, and spend his life as an overqualified cab driver.

    Also, let’s assume the DNC hack/leaking was him and they killed him because he effectively nullified billions in PR and the work of the Dems party machine. If Rich was liquidated for his helping the Republican Party nominee become president, it follows that the assassination of Rich was by a hitman working for the Dems. Now a bipartisan permanent shadow government consisting of the technocratic Deep State and protected by counter intel infrastructure of surveillance and death squads ready, willing and able to murder and misdirect with impunity is a concept I can understand, at least in principle. However, the Beltway as Prohibition Chicago with the two parties having their own Murder Incorporated set ups in rivalry with each other is not getting through the boggle filter on my mind.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  181. dimples says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The assassin may have just forgotten to take the wallet after being in a bruising altercation with Rich. A robber would be unlikely to forget the money, but an assassin has already got his money for the job and the wallet is not on his mind.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  182. @Sean

    One can easily imagine assassination ops run independently by left-wing and right-wing factions within the Deep State. Not mind-boggling at all. Perfectly predictable, actually.

    Regarding Seth Rich: people associated with WikiLeaks dangled out the tantalizing prospect of evidence, soon to appear, proving Rich’s leak of the DNC material and his assassination by Deep State players. They never delivered.

    • Replies: @Sean
  183. @James N. Kennett

    Now, if the Seymour Hersh recording is genuine (and has not been misleadingly edited), and if Hersh’s source in the FBI is telling the truth, that changes the situation. It would be nice to know that the FBI is still actively pursuing the case.

    This would be a huge story. So what happened to it?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  184. BlackFlag says:
    @Ron Unz

    Odds seem very low. Here’s a list of unsolved murders in DC for 2016.

    https://mpdc.dc.gov/page/major-caseunsolved-homicides-2016

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @AnonStarter
  185. @BlackFlag

    Very amusing and also appalling!
    Now, as to probabilities. Is it not vanishingly unlikely that anyone that mattered in or working for the DNC would have had him killed because he had been found by internal investigation (not made public) to be guilty of leaking? And why would those that knew they were receiving leaks from him kill him? No, ridiculous.
    A more plausible case (based on cui bono) could be made for a guilty party wanting to knock off someone who could then be blamed if it was proven to be a leak. Or if Rich had worked out or otherwise discovered who was leaking I suppose a sequence of not specially likely but possible events could be compiled which has him shot at 4 am in July in DC.
    What about murder by the recipients of the leaks? Mere recipients of whom he would very likely have chosen Wikileaks (who else?)? I can’t make a case for it. What if he were blackmailed or just bribed into leaking? That’s getting closer only because it suggests the question “what was Rich likely to do next?” And that suggests his planned murder was motivated by what he threatened to or was likely to do next.

    Who could be threatened?

    Not the Russians who could afford to provide enough disinformation on social media to counter any finger pointing at them. So, was he blackmailing the real culprit, or more likely, threatening to expose him?

  186. Sean says:
    @Sean McBride

    One can easily imagine assassination ops run independently by left-wing and right-wing factions within the Deep State.

    The Dems and Republicans are usually said by assassination conspiracy theorists to be alternative faces of the same one party regime, rather than having substantive differences in policy. A basically apolitical and unitary Deep State is consistent with the way the Deep State is willing to let the Dems then the Reps win. Were there rival factions within the Deep State, each clique would fear being eliminated from their positions of power and maybe literally by a incoming rival administration.

    If factions within the Deep State were supporting Dem or Rep as genuinely opposed political parties with mutually inconsistent policies, then the rival factions within the Deep State would be using their assassination capabilities on each other. If there are no substantive differences within the Deep State then cliques would be a engaged in a pure power game and mounting coups whan that failed, because neither faction could live with their rivals having the whip hand when both were in the termination with extreme prejudice business within the Beltway. I see no trace of Deep State divisions, there would be Turkey style turmoil were such the case. And by the way the Army would have the final say so it would be people like General ‘Hoss’ Cartwright running the show not anyone in Langley.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  187. @dimples

    No, an assassin isn”t going to have “a bruising altercation”. He’s there to kill him which he did by shooting him twice in the back. And of course he isn’t interested in the money, but, as a professional, obscuring the motive for the killing, which he would have achieved by taking the wallet.

  188. @Sean McBride

    This would be a huge story. So what happened to it?

    Hersh regards it as “gossip”.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/540783715/lawsuit-alleges-fox-news-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story

    And Butowsky lays out a different mission than aiding the Rich family. Butowsky says he became convinced that the FBI had a report concluding that Seth Rich’s laptop showed he had had contacts with WikiLeaks after speaking to the legendary reporter Seymour Hersh, who was also investigating Rich’s death. According to the transcripts in the lawsuit, Butowsky says Hersh had an FBI source who confirmed the report.

    In an interview this week, Hersh sounds unconvinced.

    “I hear gossip,” Hersh tells NPR on Monday. “[Butowsky] took two and two and made 45 out of it.”

    The conversation in comment 24 (version with subtitles is in the article linked from comment 165) has clearly been edited: only Hersh is talking, and he is cut off abruptly at the end. So he can claim plausible denial.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  189. @Sean

    That is an excellent piece of analysis, and makes sense in important ways.

    But how does one then explain the continuing political battles between Russiagaters and Spygaters, and the clear attempt by the Hillary Clinton wing of the Deep State to take down Trump before the end of his first term.

    There may in fact be divisions of serious consequence between globalists and nationalists/populists within the Deep State. Certainly Michael Flynn might hold that opinion at this stage of his career.

    These two major factions might now and then conduct black ops without the knowledge of the other faction — or at least try to get away with it.

  190. @James N. Kennett

    So either Hersh is telling the truth or he has been terrorized into lying about the story.

    In the absence of evidence that he has been terrorized, one leans to the former conclusion, although not conclusively.

    In any case, the Seth Rich story hasn’t been cracked open in the way many people expected it would.

  191. Polemos says:
    @Antiwar7

    If the release of Vault 7 did nothing to change how people do notdemand the dissolution of the CIA, what use would it have been as a deadman-switch payload?

    At this point, what information is there that could actually motivate the people of the US to dismantle their supposed government and install something actually based upon justice and truth? There already is ample evidence of corruption and mendacity, and yet nothing. Nothing. Still those people keep acting like Democratic primaries are anything but the rigged events the DNC lawyers argued they are in public record. Millions (hundreds of thousands?) will march on the National Mall for recognizing the power of pussyhats or the fatherhood of black men or the human personhood of a fetus in a womb but won’t go the short distance and storm the Pentagon, much less go further and overwhelm George Bush Center at Langley, where genuine sociopaths check and balance their collusion.

    The people are not simply deluded or cowed or ignorant. Look at how they live and how they feed upon living beings, how they love the other and how they kill lesser souls who crawl into their spaces. They are ruled by the same Spirit they choose to govern their individual lives, because the Spirit of a People forms from their collective unconscious, the Mortal God for whom each is a fractal piece. That God slaughters its opponents, enslaves lesser gods, and skins and eats alive lesser beings to slate temporary, gluttonous appetites. It lives on fear and hatred, and has since it fell to this planet and learned how to live inside humans as words they think with.

    So, maybe the best information needed to topple the government destroying Julian Assange is for each person to learn they are spiritual beings participating in a lower harmonic version of the higher consciousness they align with, and that not only do we not die upon physical death, but whichever God each of us worships forms from the intentions of our actions and that same God, bringing you into itself, will carry you onward past physical death into the hell of its own fears or the suffering of its own existence, unless you choose now to be aligned to a higher consciousness whose love for all life and courageous charity for all being means it has no fear for its own death. This is the universal truth of our manifold existence revealed, symbolized, taught and lived across all the religions and shamanic practices you’ll find among humans, and beyond. We are not simply individuals with rights but collectives of dreams.

    We are all One, yet the two-faced god of the book won’t let you go on to find this out for yourselves. Come out from Him, O America, and find true peace among the stars.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @James N. Kennett
  192. Sean says:

    An alternative view that has been circulating for several years suggests that it was not a hack at all, that it was a deliberate whistleblower-style leak of information carried out by an as yet unknown party, possibly Rich, that may have been provided to WikiLeaks for possible political reasons, i.e. to express disgust with the DNC manipulation of the nominating process to damage Bernie Sanders and favor Hillary Clinton.

    The DC Leaks site had the DNC emails before Wikileaks though. Seems unlikely someone as media savvy as Rich would be responsible for the clumsy initial attempts to get the material out through the mysterious DCLeaks website, and DC Leaks made a grouped folder specific to four-star General Philip Breedlove, the former NATO supreme commander in Europe being a Hawk about the war in Ukraine in 2014. Something Rich would be exercised about?

    If Rich was the one who stole the Emails then he would know the publicity about the DNC being hacked, possibly by Russia was a cover and that it was in peril, because the suspected Russian hack was published well before he was killed. So he went to a bar where he was a regular, pounded beers till closing time. then stumbled off into the night alone declining the offer of a barman to give him a lift home? If the theft of the emails was Rich he would be not oblivious of being in physical danger, and not just from muggers, because he had committed a criminal offence that would be certain to send him to jail.

    Wikileaks has never confirmed that Rich was their source in the theft of the proprietary emails that had hitherto been blamed on Russia but it subsequently offered a $20,000 reward for information leading to resolution of the case and Julian Assange, perhaps tellingly, has never publicly clarified whether Rich was or was not one of his contacts, though there is at least one report that he confirmed the relationship during a private meeting.

    I can see why Assange would not have not said that Rich was the source for the stolen DNC emails while Rich was still alive. But after Rich was murdered for giving Assange the emails, Assange remained silent in public about whether it was Rich? That does not make sense for Assange even from the point of view of his own self preservation. Publicity the Rich had been murdered by people upset about the Emails would be Assange’s only protection after a hit on his informant Rich.

    On the other hand if Assange knew from communicating with the source that gave him the DNC emails and asking for more stuff from them that, because some of the communications had occurred after Seth Rich’s demise, then Rich could not possibly have been the one who stole the emails and gave them to Wikileaks and Assange was covering himself. The only possible hole in the aforementioned reasoning is Rich might have had confederates. There is a minor mystery where he was for an hour or two between the time he left his regular bar at closing time and when he was shot. If it was a targeted assassination they would sure want to interrogate him, and find out who he was working with to take care of them too. Kidnapping him off the street and getting him to talk before bringing him back for a meticulously staged fake robbery-homicide would be par for the course with this kind of thing.

  193. @BlackFlag

    Odds seem very low.

    Indeed, they do. All with the exception of Rich are non-white and/or killed in the inner city.

  194. anonymous[417] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Vince Foster’s death should have been handled as a murder investigation.

    The Wall Street Journal – then still independent – tried to pursue FOIA requests to get more information about the post mortem etc.

    These requests were slapped down by the Supreme Court which issued a SUPER-INJUNCTION that prohibited further legal action and also prohibited the WSJ from publicizing the EXISTENCE of the injunction. From memory, US News and World Report later publicized the incident, but that report has also been purged.

  195. Sean says:
    @Polemos

    Assange is not being destroyed, he is being prosecuted for helping Manning break a password to get into a secret system and steal restricted information. Assange continued to publish what Manning gave Wikileaks after Manning was arrested and sitting in jail facing up 90 years. He got 35 and tried suicide. Assange didn’t even give meaningful support or make financial contributions towards Manning’s defence. He could have because the money was rolling in through Wikileaks nonprofit status on paypal, which they kicked Wikileaks off until an NYT journalist intervened to get them reinstated.

    More interested in getting to the Swedish fuckfest was our Jullian. He was already in the Ecuadorian embassy when he chose to release the DNC emails, which was his big mistake, because although he is not charged with any thing to do with the DNC emails that was what put him really beyond the pale. His image of integrity was left very threadbare after the adroit vagueness (typical criminal characteristic) he displayed when asked about whether Seth Rich supplied the DNC emails. Rich died 10 July 2016, and Wikileaks (following the prior DC Leaks who already had) published the DNC emails 12 days after Rich’s demise. Assange was in contact with his DNC emails source after that date.

    Yet in this case instead of declining to make any comment on a source, as he’d done before, Assange explicitly and publicly announced he had NOT got the stolen DNC emails from the Russians.. And then–get this– on August 9, 2016, WikiLeaks’ Twitter (Assange)offered a $20,000 reward for “information leading to conviction in the case of the murder of Seth Rich. It was deliberately besmirching the name of a dead man. Assange lacks empathy and that is the source of all his problems. Watch him in the documentary Risk where Helena Kennedy QC is aghast at his arrogant stupidity.

  196. “Yet in this case instead of declining to make any comment on a source, as he’d done before, Assange explicitly and publicly announced he had NOT got the stolen DNC emails from the Russians.. And then–get this– on August 9, 2016, WikiLeaks’ Twitter (Assange)offered a $20,000 reward for “information leading to conviction in the case of the murder of Seth Rich. It was deliberately besmirching the name of a dead man. Assange lacks empathy and that is the source of all his problems. Watch him in the documentary Risk where Helena Kennedy QC is aghast at his arrogant stupidity.”

    Maybe it’s just me. But your take on this is completely backwards. I mean — offering a reward for the arrest and conviction of Mr. rich is in fact making two points.

    1. Mr. Assange thinks that the man’s life demands justice.

    2. And that justice is to a very strong implication that Mr. Rich was murdered for “whistle blowing” about democrats and the agenda of the Sec Clinton and her supporters.

    It is the compete opposite of your expressed view.

    He is honoring what he believes was an act of integrity

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  197. @EliteCommInc.

    correction:

    Maybe it’s just me. But your take on this is completely backwards. I mean — offering a reward for the arrest and conviction of Mr. Rich’s assailants is in fact making two points.

    1. Mr. Assange thinks that the man’s life demands justice.

    2. And that justice is to a very strong implication that Mr. Rich was murdered for “whistle blowing” about democrats and the agenda of the Sec Clinton and her supporters.

  198. @EliteCommInc.

    After making a pledge to protect the identity of his sources, Assange and his associates strongly pointed their fingers at Seth Rich as being the source of the DNC material.

    Rather a slippery and slithery move, especially when one takes into account that Rich may not have been the source and that Russians may have actually provided the material to Assange through twisty and devious means.

    If this were true, it would be highly embarrassing for Assange, who assured the world that Russians had had nothing to do with the material. But he may now realize that he had been royally played by smarter operators than himself.

    Assange has made a very huge mess for himself because he wasn’t as clever as he thought he was. And apparently no one is now going to come miraculously to his rescue.

  199. “Rather a slippery and slithery move, especially when one takes into account that Rich may not have been the source and that Russians may have actually provided the material to Assange through twisty and devious means.
    If this were true, it would be highly embarrassing for Assange, who assured the world that Russians had had nothing to do with the material. But he may now realize that he had been royally played by smarter operators than himself.
    Assange has made a very huge mess for himself because he wasn’t as clever as he thought he was. And apparently no one is now going to come miraculously to his rescue.”

    A couple of issues here:

    1. I am unaware that Mr. Assange did any such thing. Pointing fingers at Mr. Rich. In this instance, i need more than the claim — no offense.

    2. Followed by “if” supports the the claim is speculative. I don’t think Mr Assange was playing cat and mouse of who was or is smarter. I think he saw himself as a reporter who people trusted enough to provide direct source material — scooping every other reporter around. In reality it says something about the lack of trust on issues of this nature associated with mainstream media providers.

    3. Your comment lays bare an unfortunate reality. The prosecution of Mr Assange is vindictive and unrelated to any real violation of the security laws. Because the laws that were broken were broken by US citizens. So instead if taking responsibility for our failures we are pointing fingers to someone outside of the US who is not bound by laws of the US. He is not a US citizen. He did not violate laws on US soil.
    —–

    I have no clue about a rescue —

    But I am certain of this. There is no case against Mr. Assange. As painful as it is to watch our secrets — as illegal as they may be — leaked. Those leaks were acts of US citizens. And Mr. Assange is not responsible for keeping US secrets.

    If you have evidence that there is an international statute requiring foreign nationals not hired by the US or otherwise in or under US jurisdiction to keep US secrets. Let me know.

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  200. @Polemos

    If the release of Vault 7 did nothing to change how people do not demand the dissolution of the CIA, what use would it have been as a deadman-switch payload?

    Vault 7 contained extremely sensitive information on CIA SIGINT techniques, very useful to the targets of CIA operations. Assange could have used it along the lines of “back off or I’ll release information on <list of code words> among many others”. Unfortunately for Assange, his flaws of character made him want to publish any information that reached him, and also prevented him thinking about his own safety.

  201. @EliteCommInc.

    When WikiLeaks offered a $20k reward for info about the killing of Seth Rich, that fueled furious speculation that Rich was the DNC leaker. Given the context of the situation, that was a reasonable response, and one gets the impression that Assange was playing head games when he pretended to dissociate himself and WikiLeaks from that response. Thus, slippery. Technically JA had plausible deniability for inviting that interpretation, but in reality it looks like he knew what he was doing and did it deliberately.

    I don’t support the relentless and draconian prosecution and persecution of him by Western governments, and support free speech and a free press to the maximum degree possible, but I am not surprised at the level of rage JA managed to provoke from spookdom. He started a game he couldn’t finish successfully. His current position must be terrifying.

    If I had the power to, I would probably let him go.

  202. “When WikiLeaks offered a $20k reward for info about the killing of Seth Rich, that fueled furious speculation that Rich was the DNC leaker. Given the context of the situation, that was a reasonable response, and one gets the impression that Assange was playing head games when he pretended to dissociate himself and WikiLeaks from that response. Thus, slippery. Technically JA had plausible deniability for inviting that interpretation, but in reality it looks like he knew what he was doing and did it deliberately.”

    Again a lot of speculation to fill in the gaps.

    I am not in support of the random leaks of secrets.

    But there really is no case here. He is not a US citizen. He was not under US jurisdiction at the time. And whatever transpired did not involve him acting on US soil. That a foreigner violates US laws outside of the US — is simply not a crime.

    On the ethics of the reward. It’s still a tough case to advance that Mr. Assange was attempting to divert attention
    He openly stated — and I mean he openly stated

    This has nothing to with Russia. I oppose the election of Sec Clinton because (expressed as sentiment not exact wording) she is a warmonger and dangerous to global peace –

    I suspect its more along the lines,

    “I am not a US citizen. I don’t reside in the US. I am such such and such.” And unless there is evidence that indicates his action illegal in said say Sweden . . . he had every right to feel fairly safe and secure in his dealings. his information was spread in public arenas, he served no God or master other than himself or the generic common cause of the global community.

    Look , this issue is vital because it sets the stage for an entirely round of practices. Suppose you call Herm Schidt a Hitlerian Monk out to upend every Muslim or Jew he can find. When asked for support, you produce a dossier created by German Intelligence. Well, I am quite certain that the German intel community is going to want someone’s derriere in a sling. Unless you participated in country or are under their jurisdiction — there is no case against you. In the US you are not obligated to keep German secrets. And the Germans can squawk and bark all day long — you have not engaged in a criminal act. The Germans who took the files have. You no. even if you enticed them to get the material. You did so in the US. And i imagine you might be quite open about the matter as you have broken no US laws or Germans laws in the US. Several years ago when it was detrmined that our intel agencies were literally bugging the communications of our allies . The Germans did not demand the arrest of the US embassy, or admin officials — and I bet that some of that took place in Germany a criminal offense I am sure.

    In the case of Mr Assange, the threshhold of criminal conduct in violating US laws —- is nil.

    When the democrats and others sought to impeach the current executive, they lacked a very important part of that puzzle — a crime. There was not a single criminal act committed bu this president regarding his communique’ or behavior regarding the Ukraine.

    If Mr Assange had engaged in this activity in the US on US soil then so be it. And I think a case could made and be clear, and I include a case in which Mr. Assange was overseas and breached US electronic services — that would be a criminal act that could be prosecuted. Now that may sound unpatriotic. But it is just the opposite as it protects the US citizens who may themselves gather information from other overseas from prosecution.

    There’s was nothing gain by that reward in shifting attention away from Mr. Assange — as it would do just the opposite and suggests that even Mr. Assange thinks that the murder of Mr. Rich was an act committed by someone linked to the democratic party.

    It’s like the case against the current executive actually revealed malfeasance of the democratic party and its clear even they undermined the man they chose for the office.

    if anything all this hoopla about Mr. Assange is a distraction from our failures regarding security . . . we have much deeper issues than Mr. Assange.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  203. In fact, if I were in a position to deal with Mr. Assange, I would leave the impression that what happened to Mr. Rich could just as easily happen elsewhere . . .

    That’s my dark side laugh and I suspect that when he heard that Mr. Rich had been murdered — if in fact said murder was in response to the DNC leak —-

    extradition would be the least of concerns.

    The levity with which Sec Clinton treated the death Of Pres Quadaffi . . .

    Message received loud and clear.

  204. @James N. Kennett

    The “proof” that the files were not exfiltrated by the Russians rests on file datestamps that are unreliable.

    Curious you should say this. Weren’t you the one who recently wrote, “The problem we have is that all the players in this drama are lying.”?

    So why the reliance upon Campbell’s claim about “unreliable” datestamps when you’ve made it clear that no players in this drama are trustworthy?

    Before drawing any further conclusions about reliability, perhaps you should take a look at the following response of Adam Carter to Duncan Campell’s hit piece:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20180819204548/https://disobedientmedia.com/2018/08/deconstructing-campbells-smear-campaign-yields-a-blueprint-for-propaganda/

    Incidentally … Observing that you moved the goalposts in an attempt to deflect attention from your attribution of a false statement to Binney isn’t an ad hominem attack. It’s merely an observation.

    Thanks.

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  205. @EliteCommInc.

    Again a lot of speculation to fill in the gaps.

    Right.

    It’s one thing to acknowledge that discussion about this subject necessarily involves some speculation, but when the inferences reveal a pattern of argument that either dovetails with official government narratives or, alternatively, leads one to nothing but doubt, well … how unreasonable is it to infer those making the case intend these results as a consequence of vested interest?

    Sure, it’s possible the government doesn’t lie. About the taxes you owe. About your traffic record. About any one of a number of mundane facts.

    But where matters such as “national security” are concerned, particularly where perception management becomes vital to preserving an administrative status quo? …

    Don’t bet the ranch on it.

  206. “But where matters such as “national security” are concerned, particularly where perception management becomes vital to preserving an administrative status quo? …

    Don’t bet the ranch on it.”

    I found your comments interesting. I am just unclear where you headed.

    It has taken a long time, but my view is that government does lie when it suits them. And I now understand just how much power lower level bureaucrats have. And with access to technology, angering anyone who lacks integrity can really set in motion trouble. Traffic tickets, taxes, . . . I am forced to admit, its more than just few bad apples, the system protects itself and them.

    So if that is what you are saying, I tend to agree. What is strange about this is that there really isn’t a lie in play. Mr. Assange did publish material from some source he thought was credible. The problem as i see is that while that might be crime for whoever took said material, it is not a crime that Mr Assange published the same. The fact that the government is making a case doesn’t mean there is a case. And in this instance, I don’t see it. I understand the anger, the embarrassment, the desire to punish someone, the desire to send a message as warning . . . however understandable — there is no crime.

    A wrong perhaps, but no crime.

  207. @EliteCommInc.

    As Mr. Rich was a DNC staffer, it’s not even clear what did , if he in fact did what is suggested, was a crime. Reporters get inside information all the time from government officials. And the last four years have demonstrated that such behavior is SOP. Yet very few reporters see an indictment muchless a courtroom in which they are the defendents.

    —————-
    Note: My comments regarding the behavior of Sec Clinton were not intended as compliments.

  208. @Ron Unz

    Bottom line: We may never know. Nevertheless–like Oswald and Vincent Foster and, yes, Jeffrey Epstein–the circumstances surrounding the Seth Rich death seem rather, uh, “odd.”

    • Replies: @Sean McBride
  209. “Don’t bet the ranch on it.”

    LOL. I rarely bet on anything, especially when people are looking to cover up their misdeeds.

    The rape scheme against Mr Assange didn’t work. I am surprised there weren’t more. The murky work of such accusations is a favorite for the agendas lacking merit. No evidence against the person, but but we can sure muck up their character.

    Even a favorite around here. One if the weakest form of contend, yet it has all kinds of legs.

  210. @Prester John

    There is a long list of problematic deaths with tantalizing questions but no certain answers, and which include, among many other names,

    [MORE]

    Abraham Lincoln
    George Patton
    James Forrestal
    Jeffrey Epstein
    Jeremy Boorda
    Jimmy Hoffa
    John F. Kennedy
    John F. Kennedy Jr.
    Joseph Stalin
    Lee Harvey Oswald
    Malcolm X
    Martin Luther King
    Mary Pinchot Meyer
    Robert F. Kennedy
    Robert Maxwell
    Seth Rich
    Vince Foster
    William Colby
    Yitzhak Rabin

    One might conclude, at some point, that there are more productive subjects on which to expend intellectual energy. Not that it wouldn’t be satisfying to possess all the answers, of course.

  211. @EliteCommInc.

    I found your comments interesting. I am just unclear where you headed.

    In a venue of this variety, those of us who present a cogent case against the mainstream narrative will inevitably confront opposition. This isn’t to say that the opposition necessarily consists of operatives whose interest lies in maintaining the dominance of that narrative among the body politic. However, to the extent an argument is more persuasive, the likelihood of said operatives joining the conversation increases exponentially. This is simply a rational means of attempting to control the narrative.

    Lest we balk at this assertion …

    The ADL, who has successfully convinced all major social media outlets to banish accounts they deem “offensive” and has worked with major search engine companies to create algorithms that effectively conceal similarly “offensive” material, provided in November 2019 a “short list” of social media accounts “that should have been removed a long time ago.” Fully one-third of those accounts belong to regular columnists here at the Unz Review.

    The ADL has taken this issue so seriously, it has enlisted the aid of a-list movie star Sasha Baron Cohen in a concerted campaign to suppress the views of those listed. Working with satellite organizations, it also has tremendous influence over American policy, and continues to aggressively push for further online censorship. In short, it has a clear interest in what’s happening on the web, and given UR’s explosive increase in traffic as well as its hosting a sizeable party of targeted individuals, it’s a foregone conclusion they have an interest in this site.

    It may seem to be the case that, by avoiding the use of Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube (save for hosting third-party embedded videos), Mr. Unz has escaped the ADL’s wrath, though it’s more likely they don’t want to draw attention to this site. By focusing upon individual accounts, the impression is made that each targeted person is acting independently, that, other than in well-known social media platforms, there is no common venue in which they gather. This is why the ADL doesn’t explicitly mention UR. Once the public blacklist option is ruled out, there are few remaining angles of attack. DDoS becomes too obvious, as does any attempt to cause personal harm to Mr. Unz. Sending operatives of disinformation to the very uncensored discussion forum they wish to render ineffective, however, would be one of the more sophisticated approaches, allowing them to deal with the “threat” of dissident perspectives more directly.

    Of course, it doesn’t have to be the ADL. Any parties interested in controlling the narratives concerning Assange, Seth Rich, Jeffery Epstein, 9/11, JFK, the USS Liberty, the Holocaust™, and so on and so forth, would have a similarly vested interest in participating here.

    The individual whose views you earlier countenanced with skepticism has persistently attempted to cast aspersion upon numerous views that are both alternative to the mainstream and popular here at UR. He’s not alone, of course. Others encourage him from the sidelines, often offering their own unique brand of speculation, but with the same intent. I just finished corresponding with one of them who’s been oddly silent after his linchpin claim was effectively challenged. We’ll see what he has to drum up, if anything.

    Having said all of this, it’s still possible that these views, which just happen to coalesce, one after the other, with those of a government clearly compromised by Israeli interests, are advanced innocently. It’s possible they’re just well-meaning individuals with a lot of naive faith in the current system.

    But I doubt that, given the obvious, aggressive effort to control online dissent, parties interested in controlling the narrative wouldn’t be active players here. That much is just too difficult to believe.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  212. “In a venue of this variety, those of us who present a cogent case against the mainstream narrative will inevitably confront opposition. This isn’t to say that the opposition necessarily consists of operatives whose interest lies in maintaining the dominance of that narrative among the body politic . . . et al.

    I understand. Laugh I think you should not hedge here,

    “This isn’t to say that the opposition necessarily consists of operatives whose interest lies in maintaining the dominance of that narrative among the body politic . . .”

    and in stead say,

    ” that the opposition does consist of operatives whose interest lies in maintaining the dominance of that narrative among the body politic . . .”

    but I understand.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  213. @AnonStarter

    But can you point to any of those “active players here” who are “parties interested in controlling the narrative” who have any success such as someone well paid by the ADL for professional skills could be expected to achieve? Many criticisms and arguments on UR threads could be the product of irritation at intelligent people who ought to know better getting facts blatantly wrong or propounding flawed arguments.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  214. @EliteCommInc.

    [laughing]

    I try to give the benefit of the doubt wherever possible until the available evidence necessitates drawing a different conclusion. Yes, it’s within the realm of possibility that some folks who regularly advocate the mainstream narratives are just that passionately naive. Those kind of people usually don’t evince a lot of acumen in their advocacy, but they exist.

    Your point, however, is well taken. Economical as well.

  215. @Wizard of Oz

    But can you point to any of those “active players here” who are “parties interested in controlling the narrative” who have any success such as someone well paid by the ADL for professional skills could be expected to achieve?

    1. Don’t presume it’s a paid gig. Cohen doesn’t need a thin dime from the ADL and there are others who wouldn’t mind spending time here as unpaid sayanim. It would be a mitzvot, after all.

    2. It isn’t necessary to measure an operative’s success to determine his presence.

    3. I could point to individuals who fit the profile, but I find it more useful to identify their methodology and selectively address the content of their posts in such a way as to undermine their efforts.

    Many criticisms and arguments on UR threads could be the product of irritation at intelligent people who ought to know better getting facts blatantly wrong or propounding flawed arguments.

    Sure, they could be, but you could just as easily be describing criticisms and arguments advancing an alternative to mainstream narratives, so this is not an effective argument against the presence of operatives.

    Where, for example, has James M. Kennett gone after having been confronted with facts that undermine his argument about “unreliable” file datestamps?

    • Replies: @9/11 Inside job
  216. ” who regularly advocate the mainstream narratives . . .”

    I would make this distinction. That some narratives of the mainstream are accurate and cogent. My view on the HBD and other affiliated arguments require careful application, especially when it comes to cognition. And that the arguments regarding color socialization are under stress because, the majority no longer controls the data and the framing.

    But the mainstream media can be a serious problem. Those concerned about the upending traditional long standing biological truths concerning male female dynamics —- the data simply does not support that same sex relationships occupy the same planes of value as heterosexual relations. That the mainstream argument contradicts the historical record is troublesome.

    But the mainstream media would one believe that there has been mass discrimination against those that choose that form of expression. But the record for obvious reasons notes a very different story. Yet the mainstream media would have everyone believe that and are set about destroying anyone who thinks otherwise. I think otherwise.

    We are so acustomed to linear assumptions. The issues regarding color socialization have been seriously marred by the same sex advocacy. And people with influence and guidance who make wild assumptions by people such as myself for not towing the expected conservative line — can be serious threats to my reality. Because expedience trumps the hard work of thinking during conflicts.

    and liberals of all colors are an anathema to me.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  217. Sean says:
    @getaclue

    Assange never said the key to the encrypted data thousands of people have downloaded would be released if he were killed; it was only if something happened to a Wikileaks employee according to Assange’s press release on the matter. He seemed to be talking about his extradition on a charge of rape being what would activate it, so it was being used to get him out of personal grief with initially sympathetic women who complained about him not taking no for an answer/ leaving his semen inside them.

    Assange isn’t “dead” and secondly he has clearly stated, as has Wikileaks, that they will NEVER release sources– you missed that somehow?

    Refusing to reveal that someone was a source even it that person was murdered immediately after giving Assange politically radioactive information that could turn a presidential election is the opposite of a principled protection of Wikileaks sources, for what should be an obvious reason*.

    Matching the already existing police reward on the unsolved murder of Rich, Assange offered a $20,000 reward for information about Rich’s murder leading to a conviction, then added another $5000 thereby clearly implying that Seth Rich had been his informant. But the only possible reason for Assange not saying so openly and publicly and then proving his contention that Rich was the DNC hacker is that Assange has none of the evidence that would be required to show it was Rich. If the DNC email source of Wikileaks was Rich, Assange would be able to irrefutably prove it. He’d publicly announce the facts thereby nailing the Dems security and leadership, who would be prime suspects in the death of Rich.

    Much along the lines of embezzling child molester Jeffrey Epstein not withdrawing from the US, Assange was unable to understand his position in the Embassy was one where he ought to cut his losses, and cease annoying America. His type are hero or zero, and needing the feeling of control and superiority Assange blanked out the predictable consequences of twisting the tale of the tiger. He is a criminal personality, and like so many rapists he has also committed theft, leached off of well meaning people, and betrays all those who put their trust in him. His dupes are in general women ofr men with a feminine cast of mind like Manning, who he not only failed to give meaningful support to, but by continuing the release of date that might have got US soldiers killed placed in extreme danger of being held for decades. Like so many of nonEuropean ancestry he could not get to the land of blondes fast enough, so he could get some Swedish fucks. Unfortunately for him the Wikileaks crawd in Sweden were a bit different to the women he had been used to doing minutes after meeting them, and he hooked up with a couple of bisexual feminists who having found out about each other realised they had been treated like groupies. Or women in a sixties Bond film.

    Dissimilatory vagueness is a way of wriggling out of being held to account, that is why Assange merely insinuated Rich was the DNC hacker instead of publicly saying he was and proving it. Assange should never have did have gone in on the DNC leak, it was already public knowledge being available on the Romanian server hosted ‘DC Leaks’ website as major media outlets had mentioned. It is an aspect of old Julian’s personality that not being in control is unbearable for him, and so he must still things up and stage provocations. But after the DNC hack–though he faces no charges relating to it of course– he found himself being treated like a spy. Being a ‘spy for the people’ rather than a hostile foreign government was a licence to get away with a lot, but what he did helping Manning can be used to get him for the DNC hack. Now he is going to find out how Manning lived: 35 years.

    *Clearly, the murder of living Wikileaks insider whistleblower sources is made more likely if a dead one’s murder is followed by silence on whether they were a Wikileaks informant in the face of government assertion that the real informant was an outsider fake identity created by a hostile secret service.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  218. “Assange never said the key to the encrypted data thousands of people have downloaded would be released if he were killed; it was only if something happened to a Wikileaks employee according to Assange’s press release on the matter. ”

    As if Mr Assange was a US citizen subject to US jurisdiction. Given that he reported said information as journalists do world wide, including in the US . . . simply is no case here. Even if her were a spy, outside of the US he has no jurisdiction and Great Britain has no cause to hold him.

    I guess it would be helpful to examine the process of arresting alleged spies out of country. But this is dubious on its face. If the US had rounded up the reporters who accessed the same public news forum maybe one could take it seriously.

    I guess those allies who found out that the US was spying in country could arrest and detain US diplomats as complicit in the matter.

    ut then Mr. Assange is not a spy.

  219. @AnonStarter

    Speaking of sayanim couldn’t Seth Rich , like Monica Lewinsky , have been one ?Also you refer to the mainstream narratives which everyone seems to accept , without question , that Seth was killed but ,as I have referred to in my previous comments ,there is some question as to whether or not he died as reported , see my comments 32,34,66 and 106. There are also some YouTube videos of his family reacting strangely(?) to his reported murder.

  220. getaclue says:
    @Sean

    Your diatribe is off by so much– I don’t have time to deal with it all– but the fact that the “rape” bs was a total frame job done by/for the CIA inc. has been proven in Germany now: https://consortiumnews.com/2020/02/06/ray-mcgovern-german-tv-exposes-the-lies-that-entrapped-julian-assange/

    Assange and Wikileaks have unequivocally stated no release of sources and lived up to it– your statement as to the source being dead doesn’t change that in their world (in yours it would but yours doesn’t count…)– and you ignore that when the source is dead there are still ramifications for the family– this would apply here as statements as to his brother’s involvement have been made, so that is a consideration in all cases as to why no revelation when the source is murdered/dead…– big deal lefty journalist Seymour Hersh laid it all out on what is really up as to Seth Rich (and which is slowly trickling out and will finally come out at some point….) when he didn’t know he was being taped (you can research it) among other things he stated he had discovered in his investigation and with his high level FBI contacts of long standing/many years– here is a nice overview I copied–the actually tape is available to listen to though…:

    – Hersh says Seth Rich’s killing is officially a mugging gone wrong, but…
    – Hersh confirms DC police and FBI DID gain access to Rich’s PC files
    – Hersh says Rich had DNC files (emails?) on his computer
    – Hersh confirms Seth Rich contacted Wikileaks
    – Hersh confirms Seth Rich contacted Wikileaks!
    – CONFIRMED BITCHES
    – Hersh said Rich was asking for money, may have given teaser files.
    – Hersh says (I think) that Wikileaks subsequently gained access to Rich’s dropbox anyway (after his death?)(before?)
    – Hersh says Rich also gave files to trusted friends
    – Hersh says this is ALL IN AN FBI REPORT

    Here comes the big one
    – Hersh says that THE DNC MADE THE RUSSIA HACK STORY UP
    – They KNEW it was a leak, but
    – Says Russia Narrative was AN AMERICAN DISINFORMATION OPERATION
    – Says Government was involved in constructing it
    – Mentions Brennan (CIA Director under Obama)
    – “Trump’s not wrong to think they all f*cking lied about him”

    — The truth is that Assange did what Legacy Journalists used to do but now they don’t anymore as they are just partisans of “Orange Man Bad” Globalist networks and part of the DNC apparatus– with a “hate whitey” agenda thrown in — clear to anyone not a dullard who has knowledge of the Racist NYSlimes and Mainslime Media today….– What is it about CIA/Globalist type propagandists posting on here anyway? Goodbye.

    • Agree: james charles
  221. Sean says:

    Self dramatising Jullian in late 2010; released after spending a mere 10 days in jail.

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2010/dec/17/julian-assange-wikileaks-us-investigation
    Assange, an Australian, was at pains today to stress his remove from Manning, referring to him as “a young man somehow embroiled in our publishing activities” and saying WikiLeaks did not know who its sources were. Targeting him personally would not stop the work of WikiLeaks, Assange pledged. “People like to present WikiLeaks as me and my backpack. It is not true. We are a large organisation. “It is resilient. It is designed to withstand decapitation attacks, and our publication rate actually increased during the time I was in solitary confinement.” Assange was held in jail because prosecutors argued that as a non-British national with no permanent ties to the country he was a potential absconder.

    As disaffected ex Assange right hand man Berg’s book makes clear Wikileaks was on one server only so easy to take down and technically sophisticated and under resourced, so there were none of their technical attacks on his insecure website by a superpower as he alleged., Assange ran Wikileaks more or less with Berg and no one else. But the big lie is he did not know Manning.

    Seth Rich is dead and so Julian Assange failing to make an unambiguous public statement that Rich was the the DNC hacker and Wikileaks source for the DNC emails indicates Rich was surely not the source, For, had it been Rich then Wikileaks sources still alive (and Assange) would be in much more danger from the example of those who killed Rich being able to liquidate a Wikileaks whistleblower without having the finger unambiguously pointed at them. The train of events was Rich was murdered then it was suggested on the basis that he had been murdered and worked in the DNC, that he was the DNC hacker, who was presumably killed on the orders of Hillary Clinton or those close to her. Yet if that is what happened Assange would be screaming from the rooftops that Rich was his DNC email source, and providing proof for the contention

    Even if we assume for the sake of argument that Rich was the DNC hacker, then unless Assange had helped Rich with the hack Assange would have nothing to fear from US law. In any case, being publicly silent on whether Rich was his source is not protecting still-living Wikileaks sources because the lesson will be taken that whistleblowers can terminated with extreme prejudice and impunity.

    My point is that Assange is not being charged with anything relating to the DNC hack, but only in relation to Manning, who Assange taught how to crack a password needed to get access to secret data, in the knowledge that Manning steal and pass date to Assange. That is clear cut theft of computer data, which is not covered by any kind of journalism

    Wikileaks was not the first to put the DNC email hack materiel on the internet, that was “DC Leaks” (which seemed very interested in US policy opposing Russia’s interests in Ukraine). The DNC email hack infuriated the US establishment, but is really was very foolish when Assange’s protection by public opinion had been largely removed by him becoming a fugitive from Swedish justice. He has managed to bring about what he said he feared: a determined prosecution by America.

    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
  222. “— The truth is that Assange did what Legacy Journalists used to do but now they don’t anymore . . .”

    I take it you mean — obtain original source information as confirmation — if so, that would be correct.

  223. @EliteCommInc.

    I would make this distinction. That some narratives of the mainstream are accurate and cogent.

    Sure.

    I mean, the weather forecast and sports scores are usually fairly reliable.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @EliteCommInc.
  224. @9/11 Inside job

    This is why H.R.C. ‘lost’?

    “And it’s deadly. Doubtless, Crosscheck delivered Michigan to Trump who supposedly “won” the state by 10,700 votes. The Secretary of State’s office proudly told me that they were “very aggressive” in removing listed voters before the 2016 election. Kobach, who created the lists for his fellow GOP officials, tagged a whopping 417,147 in Michigan as potential double voters.”
    http://www.gregpalast.com/trump-picks-al-capone-vote-rigging-investigate-federal-voter-fraud/

  225. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/08/vladimir-putin-hillary-clinton-russia

    Putin hated Hillary for the 2011 protest against the Russian election and then the State Dept was seen as encouraging the Ukrainians to overturn a election. Why would Putin’s intelligence services NOT be trying to stop her being elected pres, eh?

  226. @AnonStarter

    Curious you should say this. Weren’t you the one who recently wrote, “The problem we have is that all the players in this drama are lying.”?

    So why the reliance upon Campbell’s claim about “unreliable” datestamps when you’ve made it clear that no players in this drama are trustworthy?

    It is not a difficult argument.

    1. Wikileaks releases a large batch of files.
    2. People look at the datestamps of those files and conclude that they cover such a short period of time that they must have been exfiltrated locally, e.g. to a memory stick, and not over the network, which is too slow.
    3. But the file datestamps may have been altered, having the effect of hiding how and when the files were obtained. This could have been done by the donor of the files, by an intermediary, by Wikileaks itself, or by someone who copied the files without preserving their metadata (cp * target-directory).
    4. Therefore it is wrong to conclude from the file datestamps that network exfiltration was impossible. This doubt persists even though the key players are all lying, and even though some third parties are actively sowing disinformation.
    5. Equally, the datestamps do not prove that local exfiltration was impossible. They cannot prove anything.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  227. @Sean

    israelhayom.com : ‘President Trump has been the best friend Israel can ever have’ .Prior to the 2106 Presidential election, Trump and his family demonstrated by word and deed , moreso than the Clintons ever had, their support for Israel and in the case of his son-in-law , Jared Kushner , the financing and expansion of settlements to create Greater Israel,so wouldn’t Netanyahu’s intelligence services have been interested in stopping Hillary from being elected ?

    • Replies: @Sean
  228. Sean says:
    @9/11 Inside job

    Only if Israel controlled Trump would they be willing to dream of toying with the idea of take such a risk as as dirty tricks against Hillary. Trump being elected was such a long shot it would be insanely risky even if they did control Trump. Remember that Trump originally froze out the necons because so many were never-Trumpers.

    Putin is a former professional counterintel specialist. It is like Mr Giraldi becoming President of the USA, he would first instal his own men in key positions in the CIA, give them lots of resources and then set them on what he thought was the main threat to the country without regard to who was upset. Clinton was heavy favourite to win at the time of the hack; Putin was surely aghast at the prospect. And unlike Israel the blowback would be minimal, because the US was already estranged from Russia.

    • Replies: @james charles
  229. @AnonStarter

    “I mean, the weather forecast and sports scores are usually fairly reliable.”

    Taking off the gloves I see.

    ——————————————

    I support the current executive.

    But if were him, I would be redirecting the efforts inside pressing for what is happening in our intelligence community that so any people feel compelled to betray the US.

    And furthermore, serious concerns about how those breaches are occurring. These are not external breeches, they are coming from our citizens.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  230. @James N. Kennett

    … may have been altered … could have been done …

    The problem for you, James, is that you hung your hat on Duncan Campbell, who wasn’t merely speculating. He was flat-out asserting that the file datestamps were altered and wove an elaborate argument to advance Russian culpability, an argument that Adam Carter decisively eviscerated.

    Now you’re backpedaling from Campbell’s article, as if you never provided the link in the first place.

    And you think I wasn’t serious when I told you to take a break?

    • Replies: @James N. Kennett
  231. @EliteCommInc.

    Taking off the gloves I see.

    Nah. I’m just having some fun with you.

    I support the current executive.

    I’ll support anyone who does the right thing, and if he doesn’t, I’ll still support him, even though he might reject my kind of support. I often like Trump’s throwing shade at the MSM, and I think that has appeal with the masses, but like many presidents before him, he’s too fickle where Israel is concerned. Not surprising, given his family ties, but I expect better from the chief executive officer.

  232. @Sean

    Putin has often accused the west of meddling in Russian affairs, a tested tactic to deflect attention away from the country’s problems.

    Hmm.

    Seems there’s an analogy someone in there …

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  233. @AnonStarter

    Edit: “Seems there’s an analogy someone somewhere in there …”

  234. I got that you were joking . . .

    “Nah. I’m just having some fun with you.” I neglected the laugh.

    I walk carefully here.

    Because more tan his fair share of opportunities have missed despite the opposition and more importantly, the opposition has actually bolstered momentuum to advance positive forward momentuum on the agenda I voted for to attend to.

    As a conservative and some one who leans heavily in the direction of scripture on faith and practice supporting hos was costly.

    And I mean costly in lots of ways . . . He is in my view taking advantage of people of faith. And supporting Israel is fine, but on matters of policy against scripture a near nonsequitor and no substitute for the bizarre press against how other countries deal with same sex behavior.

    That doesn’t have been to do with how US citizens here are being undermined by immigration.

    Any presidential candidate who basing his candidacy on the fact the other candidates are worse — should probably consider whether they are up to the task. I expect better from this candidate than — the other guys are worse.

    Loyalty is entitled to cause for the same, regardless of how sympathetic, or supportive I might be.

  235. @Sean

    “Clinton was heavy favourite to win at the time of the hack; Putin was surely aghast at the prospect.”

    He was not the only one?
    During the election campaign H.R.C., three times, {stupidly?} threatened to impose a ‘no fly zone’ in Syria – confronting a nuclear armed country?

    ‘One of many truths lost within this discourse is the reality that the creation of a no-fly zone would, in the words of the most senior general in the US Armed Forces, {probably?} mean the US going to war “against Syria and Russia”. ‘
    https://mronline.org/2016/12/13/allday131216-html/

    Is ‘this’ ‘reliable’ information?
    “A Russian hacker accused of stealing from Russian banks reportedly confessed in court that he hacked the U.S. Democratic National Committee (DNC) and stole Hillary Clinton’s emails under the direction of agents from Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB).
    According to Russian news site The Bell, Konstantin Kozlovsky, a Russian citizen working for a hacker group called Lurk, confessed to hacking Clinton’s emails during a hearing about his arrest in August. An audio recording and minutes from the hearing were posted on Kozlovsky’s Facebook page, and their authenticity was reportedly confirmed by The Bell.”
    https://www.newsweek.com/russian-hacker-stealing-clintons-emailshacking-dnc-putinsfsb-745555?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true&fbclid=IwAR1xnVy7h47Q7Wi5goYp6IC3jnekmcrCwzlW7L7302ZRufWLY4QRbFwUKgc

    • Replies: @Sean
  236. Probably not?

    ‘ ” . . . She says The Bell illustrates a growing trend in which Russian journalists and media managers are finding ways of building news organizations that are not financially dependent on rich businessmen vulnerable to Kremlin pressure.” ‘

    https://www.niemanlab.org/reading/meet-the-bell-the-russian-media-startup-fighting-for-the-precarious-future-of-independent-media/

  237. Sean says:
    @james charles

    ring the election campaign H.R.C., three times, {stupidly?} threatened to impose a ‘no fly zone’ in Syria – confronting a nuclear armed country?

    Russia sent an expeditionary force to Syria only after Obama’s administration declined to bomb Assad. Russia would not get into a nuclear exchange with the US over Syria. Not a chance.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/07/the-kremlin-really-believes-that-hillary-clinton-will-start-a-war-with-russia-donald-trump-vladimir-putin/

    The GRU hacked the DNC. They are a professional intelligence service doing what Putin tells them to do, and he wanted Clinton discredited. The first website to host the stolen DNC emails of Clinton was DC Leaks which was hosted in Romania, and was highlighting the NATO general Breedlove’s wish to get tougher in Ukraine. It would be predictable beforehand that Putin (a trained intelligence professional) would direct his assets (both his foreign secret services were probing the DNC computer system and sometimes getting in one another’s way) to do what they could short of assasination to derail a Hillary presidency, which they did with impunity from their desk at GRU headquarters. But not one would have thought Rich motivated to act against Hillary in a manner that would certainly have sent him to prison.The problem with these ‘what is the probability’ arguments is that they are specifying in hindsight. It is a basic ‘curse of knowledge’ error. Russia is worried about hacking, cause it knows it can be done to Putin as his minions did it to Hillary. Putin knows to expect retaliation from the CIA against Putin.

    https://www.scmagazineuk.com/today-russia-begins-disconnection-global-internet/article/1663083

    • Replies: @james charles
  238. For my reading of the media tea leaves in the case, see see “Seth Rich Equals Vince Foster?“ http://www.dcdave.com/article5/170525.htm

  239. Sean says:

    “Seth Rich Equals Vince Foster?“

    Standard error measurement warning!

  240. @AnonStarter

    You insist that we can exclude the possibility of network exfiltration by looking at the timestamps of files. You are wrong. We cannot either prove or disprove Russian culpability this way.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  241. @James N. Kennett

    You insist that we can exclude the possibility of network exfiltration by looking at the timestamps of files. You are wrong.

    You would do well to review our exchange from the beginning.

    Then get back to me if you find any such insistence as you mention.

  242. “Vault 7 revealed that the CIA was conducting illegal spying operations, including through phones and household appliances such as smart televisions. It exposed the US government as one of the biggest purveyors of malicious computer viruses in the world.
    Vault 7 documented the CIA’s ability to hack into computer systems and leave telltale signs attributing the attacks to the adversaries of American imperialism, such as Russia and Iran. It revealed sinister programs aimed at enabling the CIA to take control of the computer systems that operate many modern cars—raising the prospect of political assassinations.”
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/10/schu-m10.html

  243. @Sean

    ‘One of many truths lost within this discourse is the reality that the creation of a no-fly zone would, in the words of the most senior general in the US Armed Forces, mean the US going to war “against Syria and Russia”. ‘
    https://mronline.org/2016/12/13/allday131216-html/

    • Replies: @Sean
  244. @getaclue

    “Vault 7 revealed that the CIA was conducting illegal spying operations, including through phones and household appliances such as smart televisions. It exposed the US government as one of the biggest purveyors of malicious computer viruses in the world.
    Vault 7 documented the CIA’s ability to hack into computer systems and leave telltale signs attributing the attacks to the adversaries of American imperialism, such as Russia and Iran. It revealed sinister programs aimed at enabling the CIA to take control of the computer systems that operate many modern cars—raising the prospect of political assassinations.”
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/03/10/schu-m10.html

  245. This article, while interesting, does not address the elephant in middle of the room: the horrifying CONTENT of the stolen e-mails regardless of source, particularly Podesta’s. Mere murder-for-hire of an individual pales in comparison to the monstrous revelations contained therein.

    By continuing to debate how the e-mails were leaked, we avoid discussing what they say. Is this intentional? A bridge too far for even Giraldi?

    • Replies: @Caterina
  246. Caterina says:

    Seth Rich was Arkancided by Hillary, period. It’s the only scenario where motives make sense.

  247. Caterina says:
    @Daves_Not_Here

    Do you have a URL for the email content I can read?

    • Replies: @Daves_Not_Here
  248. Sean says:
    @james charles

    The Russians came in only after Obama and his generals decided not to bomb Assad and sent it to Congress when Obama didn’t have to. But that does not mean Assad can mock the US , or Putin is not going to be swiftly disabused of any funny idea about having the US on the run.

    The Pentagon did not want to overthrow Assad, neither the Army or Air Force did, and so they didn’t do anything meaningful at all and Assad won. But the fact is that nothing came of B52s being shot down by Russian crews of SAMs in the last stages of the Vietnam War. Russia is not going to go to war with America over Syria and America never tried to use its air power against Assad. Israel could have easily diverted Assad’s army with a build up on the Golan, which Assad would have had no option but to match. Syria is a shithole that no one is ever going to get into a major war over, even the people who were born their are trying to leave.

    • Replies: @james charles
  249. Sean says:

    Manning is in jail for refusing to testify to a grand jury about Assange. Why is Manning, who is recovering in hospital from a serious suicide attempt, not willing to tell all of what he knows about Assange? Obviously Manning is someone who takes testifying on oath seriously, and is not willing to lie, but knows very well that were he to tell the truth Assange would be exposed as having been engaged in espionage. Assange is accused of showing Manning how to break a certain password that he did break to get into into the secure US government system he stole US secrets from. If Assange had not done that then Manning would surely be happy to talk about how he broke the password without any pointers from Assange.

    Despite saying he would do just that, Assange did not surrender when Manning was pardoned from the 27 years he had left to serve. If Assange had surrendered when Manning was released he would not have got into the DNC emails thing, which although he is not charged with it is the real reason why is why the US establishment hate him. Manning is never going to get out because he is being betrayed by Assange, who is wanted to be 007 of the people, but lacked the bottle. He is a coward and a liar.

  250. @Sean

    ‘One of many truths lost within this discourse is the reality that the creation of a no-fly zone would, in the words of the most senior general in the US Armed Forces, mean the US going to war “against Syria and Russia”. ‘
    https://mronline.org/2016/12/13/allday131216-html/

  251. @Caterina

    @Caterina – The e-mail content remains available on https://wikileaks.org/ — use the Search box to find individual e-mails of interest.

    There is so much bulk content, it’s hard to form a narrative. It’s easier to read summary articles, such as at https://www.unz.com/article/pizzagate/?highlight=pizzagate and then confirm the e-mails are as reported. These summary articles are increasingly being taken down or excluded from Google Search results but still can be found using DuckDuckGo

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