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I don’t know what happened in Salisbury England on March 4th, but it appears that the British government doesn’t know either. Prime Minister Theresa May’s speech before Parliament last Monday was essentially political, reflecting demands that she should “do something” in response to the mounting hysteria over the poisoning of former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. After May’s presentation there were demands from Parliamentarians for harsh measures against Russia, reminiscent of the calls for action emanating from the U.S. Congress over the allegations relating to what has been called Russiagate.

This demand to take action led to a second Parliamentary address by May on Wednesday in which she detailed the British response to the incident, which included cutting off all high-level contacts between Moscow and London and the “persona non grata” (PNG) expulsion of 23 “spies” and intelligence officers working out of the Russian Federation Embassy. The expulsions will no doubt produce a tit-for-tat PNG from Moscow, ironically crippling or even eliminating the MI-6 presence and considerably reducing Britain’s own ability to understand what it going on in the Kremlin.

May, who referred to a “Russian mafia state,” has blamed Moscow for the attack even though she made plain in her first speech that the investigation was still underway. In both her presentations, she addressed the issue of motive by citing her belief that the attempted assassination conforms with an established pattern of Russian behavior. She did not consider that Vladimir Putin’s government would have no good reason to carry out an assassination that surely would be attributed to it, particularly as it was on the verge of national elections and also, more important, because it will be hosting the World Cup later this year and will be highly sensitive to threats of boycott. And it must be observed that Skripal posed no active threat to the Russian government. He has been living quietly in Britain for eight years, leading to wild tabloid press speculation that the Kremlin’s motive must have been to warn potential traitors that there are always consequences, even years later and in a far-off land.

To provide additional buttressing of what is a questionable thesis, the case of the assassination of Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006 has been repeatedly cited by the media on both sides of the Atlantic as evidence of Russian turpitude, but the backstory is not the same. Litvinenko was an FSB officer who fled to the United Kingdom to avoid prosecution in Russia. In Britain, he became a whistleblower and author, exposing numerous alleged Russian government misdeeds. Would the Kremlin have been motivated to kill him? He was seen as a traitor and a continuing threat through his books and speeches, so it is certainly possible. The story of Skripal was, however, completely different. He was a double agent working for Britain who was arrested and imprisoned in 2006. He was released and traveled to the UK after a 2010 spy swap was arranged by Washington and his daughter has been able to travel freely from Moscow to visit him. If the Russian government had wanted to kill him, they could have easily done so while he was in prison, or they could have punished him by taking steps against his daughter.

There are a number of problems with the accepted narrative as presented by May and the media. Merriam-Webster dictionary defines a nerve agent as “usually odorless organophosphate (such as sarin, tabun, or VX) that disrupts the transmission of nerve impulses by inhibiting cholinesterase and especially acetylcholinesterase and is used as a chemical weapon in gaseous or liquid form,” while Wikipedia explains that it is “a class of organic chemicals that disrupt the mechanisms by which nerves transfer messages to organs.” A little more research online reveals that most so-called nerve agents are chemically related. So when Theresa May says that the alleged agent used against the Skripals as being “of a type” associated with a reported Russian-developed chemical weapon called Novichok that was produced in the 1970s and 1980s, she is actually conceding that her own chemical weapons laboratories at Porton Down are, to a certain, extent, guessing at the provenance and characteristics of the actual agent that might or might not have been used in Salisbury.

Beyond that, a military strength nerve agent is, by definition, a highly concentrated and easily dispersed form of a chemical weapon. It is intended to kill or incapacitate hundreds or even thousands of soldiers. If it truly had been used in Salisbury, even in a small dose, it would have killed Skripal and his daughter as well as others nearby. First responders who showed up without protective clothing, clearly seen in the initial videos and photos taken near the site, would also be dead. After her first speech, May summoned the Russian Ambassador and demanded that he address the allegations, but Moscow reasonably enough demanded a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing by relevant international bodies like the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons before it could even respond to the British accusations. It was a valid point even supported in Parliament questioning by opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn, but May and her government decided to act anyway.

May’s language also conveys uncertainty. She used “it appears” and also said it was “highly likely” that Moscow was behind the poisoning of Skripal but provided no actual evidence that that was the case, presumably only assuming that it had to be Russia. And her government has told the public that there is “little risk” remaining over the incident and that those who were possibly exposed merely have to wash themselves and their clothes, hardly likely if it were a military grade toxin, which gains it lethality from being persistent on and around a target. She made clear her lack of corroboration for her claim by offering an “either-or” analysis: either Russia’s government did it or it had “lost control” of its nerve agent.

As noted above, May’s argument is, to a certain extent, based on character assassination of Russians – she even offered up the alleged “annexation” of Crimea as corroboration of her view that Moscow is not inclined to play by the rules that others observe. It is a narrative that is based on the presumption that “this is the sort of thing the Russian government headed by Vladimir Putin does.” The British media has responded enthusiastically, running stories about numerous assassinations and poisonings that ought to be attributed to Russia, while ignoring the fact that the world leaders in political assassinations are actually the United States and Israel.

There are a number of other considerations that the May government has ignored in its rush to expand the crisis. She mentioned that Russia might be somewhat exonerated if it has lost control of its chemical weapons, but did not fully explain what that might mean. It could be plausible to consider that states hostile to Russia like Ukraine and Georgia that were once part of the Soviet Union could have had, and might still retain, stocks of the Novichok nerve agent. That in turn suggests a false flag, with someone having an interest in promoting a crisis between Russia and Britain. If that someone were a country having a sophisticated arms industry possessing its own chemical weapons capability, like the United States or Israel, it would be quite easy to copy the characteristics of the Russian nerve agent, particularly as its formula has been known since it was published in 1992. The agent could then be used to create an incident that would inevitably be blamed on Moscow. Why would Israel and the United States want to do that? To put pressure on Russia to embarrass it and put it on the defensive so it would be forced eventually to abandon its support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Removing al-Assad is the often-expressed agenda of the Israeli and American governments, both of which have pledged to take “independent action” in Syria no matter what the United Nations or any other international body says. The redoubtable Nikki Haley is already using the incident to fearmonger over Moscow’s intentions at the U.N., warning that a Russian chemical attack on New York City could be coming.

And to throw out a really wild possibility, one might observe that no one in Britain had a stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May, who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative Party. Once upon a time suggesting that a democratically elected government might assassinate someone for political reasons would have been unthinkable, but the 2016 election in the United States has demonstrated that nothing is impossible, particularly if one is considering the possibility that a secret intelligence service might be collaborating with a government to help it stay in power. An incident in which no one was actually killed that can be used to spark an international crisis mandating “strong leadership” would be just the ticket.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

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  1. Kiza says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi,

    Please do not insult Britain because it does not need any other party (Ukraine, Georgia) to organise a false-flag such as this. Any reasonable person would understand that such mad rush to judgement and frantic lying by the British regime are closely related to the organisers of the poisoning. They could be one and only.

    I predicted at the start of the Skripal affair that will end up the same as the MH17 case: “truth established” without any good facts or based on secret facts, we move on.

    If somehow truth does surface, as with Iraqi WMD, then exactly the same strategy will be used by the British regime as by the US regime before: faulty intelligence and misleading (Porton Down) scientists.

    How many Porton Down scientists will be suicided a few weeks before daughters wedding, if the truth of the Russian WMD comes out, just as David Kelly regarding Iraqi WMD?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. because it will be hosting the World Cup later this year. Giraldi

    Sports doesn’t come up much here but Russia hosted a Winter Games (Sochi) and as the above says will be hosting the WC this summer.

    In anticipation of these events the state instituted an accelerated doping program. Of course they are in complete denial. There is proof. But it was just brushed off like a bit of lint. Why did they take this approach which diminishes the prestige of the events in mother Russia? That’s for them to answer but they don’t have to, so they just complain to willing listeners that they are being mistreated.

    A report in July 2016 from the Canadian law professor Richard McLaren which found Russia’s government, security services and sporting authorities colluded to hide widespread doping across “a vast majority” of winter and summer sports. Some had feared a repeat performance from the IOC, despite a second report by McLaren in December 2016 which confirmed that more than 1,000 Russian athletes had been involved in, or benefited from, state-sponsored doping. The Guardian

    I have a feeling that a state program that would dope its athletes to the max–prior to a major games–probably knew it would be caught. But Russia…well they just didn’t care.
    There may be a similar outlook with regard to assassination attempts like the Salisbury hit. Russia will do as it pleases. I lean guilty.

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  3. Another View of Salisbury Accident
    This brief note by Andrey Lazarchuk has been published in the social networks. It is interesting, and it agrees with revealed facts. Whether it is true or not – remains to be seen. Here is his text in verbatim translation:
    Do not ask for the source of the information, I will not give it up. Everything written below is very different from what you can find on the web.
    1. Already in the early 1980s, the Soviet Army ceased to treat CW (Chemical Weapons) as a weapon that could be used in real war conditions: approximately in 1983-84 it was decided to cease CW supplies to the army, reduce operational reserves and take out CW from the troops to long-term storage warehouses and landfills for destruction. At the same time and until 1996, there were no new CW products supplied to the army, neither new instructions for use and protection.
    2. Mirzoyanov, majoring in chemistry and analytics, never worked at theoretical developments or practical synthesis. All 1980s he worked in the administration (First Department).
    3. In the second half of the 1980s, the KGB carried out a large-scale operation to dis-inform the enemy, which also had the side-line task of identifying information leakage channels. Twenty “fake” but very detailed projects were developed for “a new chemical super-weapon that is not detected by existing NATO detectors and from which there is no protection” (NOVA with indices, “Novichok” with indices, ASD and others). The Novichok passed through the hands of Mirzoyanov.
    4. The factory-laboratory in Kantyubek in the late 70’s was re-profiled from the creation and testing of CW and BW for the production and testing of herbicides and defoliants – mainly for the needs of the cotton industry.
    5. Mirzoyanov as a source of leakage was identified immediately. In the 1990, he was removed from all real work, through he remained a conduit of disinformation. In 1992, he revealed himself voluntarily by publishing the well-known article. From that moment, the Novichok attracted media interests. In the 1995, NYT wrote about the “new Russian super-weapon”.
    6. NATO had spent more than \$ 10 billion on defence against this fake weapon.
    7. What actually happened in Salisbury is unclear; nor the behavior of the poisoned, nor the actions of the police, doctors, special services do not add up to the whole picture. More or less plausible is the poisoning with a synthetic neurotoxin, similar to the toxin of fugu fish.
    Brief summary: “Novichok” is not the name of the CW, but the code of the KGB operation carried out to identify the mole (the information leakage channel), as well as the supply of disinformation. End of Lazarchuk’s note.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  4. As with the Russian collusion, a case without evidence is a case without evidence. And I would need more than the word of interested parties.

    So until said case with evidentiary support is made, I am more curious about your view of Dep. Dir. Gina Haspel

  5. This looks like false flag event. Putin isn’t so stpid as to pull a stunt like this. It is not difficult to make these nerve poisons.

    If I had to bet on it I wold say it was Mossad. The two great hate figures for Israel are Russia and Iran, and the USA/UK are being manipulated into destroying them.

    No more wars for Israel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Agree: Carroll Price, Z-man, L.K
  6. JR says:

    “And to throw out a really wild possibility, one might observe that no one in Britain had a stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May, who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative Party.”

    Really don’t understand why Giraldi classifies this as “wild”. Has he completely missed the numerous ‘false flags’ by UK initiated and financed ‘White Helmets’? Every time UK/US intend to incite public outrage some ‘chemical’ incident was faked in Syria.

    Look ‘Rusiagate’ Trump dossier has UK tail waggles US dog all over it. That Russiagate has been faltering increasingly over the last few months with recently the House Intelligence Committee declaring there is none. So some new impetus was required. Steele is too closely connected to MI5/6 to presume innocence on their behalf.

    The hate of the UK establishment for Trump is only rivaled by its hate for Russia, so MI5/6 playing May (who only a few weeks before Salisbury out of the blue ratcheted up her anti Russia rhetoric) like a fiddle was provided with what she needed. However looks like given the number of exotic deaths concentrated in the UK some MI5/6 idiot now made the mistake of more than he can fake.

  7. As always in these questions the first question must be ‘who benefits ?’.
    Just a few days after the murder show the EU agreed to a transition period for GB after Brexit.

  8. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    @Philip Giraldi : you shied away from mentioning that the West turned against Putin only after he stood up to two Jewish Russian oligarchs (even though he let the rest of them get away with their loot of Russia). A strong Putin presents a future threat to the oligarchs and this is the real reason we are so obsessed with Putin

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  9. Brabantian says: • Website

    On the topic of Russia-related deaths in Britain –

    Everyone knows Saudi Prince Bandar – ‘Bandar Bush’ thanks to his close public ties with the George Bush family – Bandar who reportedly threatened Putin with Saudi-sponsored terrorist attacks inside Russia … Bandar has long been the perhaps best-known Saudi prince in the world

    Quite astonishingly, given the lack of news coverage – At a London airport in public view, Prince Bandar apparently ‘committed suicide’ over a week ago, on 12 March 2018, when the UK refused entry to Bandar … video said to be of Bandar jumping to his death, on YouTube

    So we have one of the best-known celebrity Saudi Arabian princes – who had threatened Russia – suddenly dead in a shocking and dramatic public ‘suicide’ at a London airport – yet this is ‘not news’ according to our overlords, tho Bandar’s death and funeral prayers etc seem leading news across Muslim outlets

    Obviously we have a Western Permitted News Committee telling all major Western media outlets what is ‘news’, for our own good

    Story by the UK’s Aangirfan on her site:

  10. jojo says:

    Queen May has no clothes on, but all the ‘adults’ in the mainstream press pretend to see a beautiful robe.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  11. British media intel ‘sources’ have proposed different employ of the poison, from a ‘hit squad’ followed Yulia from Moscow, to the poison was planted in her luggage at Moscow, to the poison was introduced to Skripal’s car via the ventilation system.

    When the ‘backstop’ lies differ so widely, it points to likelihood the British haven’t a clue as to what actually happened, but the default position is ‘the Russians did it’

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  12. remo says: • Website

    “Sir, Further to your report (“Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment”, TIMES Mar 14)’ may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent poisoning in Salisbury and there have only ever been three patients with significant poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.”
    Stephen Davies. Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust.

Meanwhile, a doctor who was one of the first people at the scene has described how she found Ms Skripal..She said she treated her for almost 30 minutes, saying “there was no sign of any chemical agent on Ms Skripals face or body.”
    The woman, who asked not to be named, told the NNC she moved Ms Skripal into the recovery position and opened her airway, as others tended to her father.
    she said she treated her for almost 30 minutes, saying there was no sign of any chemical agent on Ms Skripal’s face or body.
    The doctor said she had been worried she would be affected by the nerve agent, hut added that she “feels fine”.

    Some nerve agent.
    We read that Vladimir Putin’s passport was found three days later at the scene.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  13. Tom Welsh says:

    One wonders how the Skripals are right now. Have they recovered completely, or partially? Are they still deathly ill? Has one or both of them died?

    In any case, why have there been no public announcements of these important facts? It is useless to cite privacy, when the government hastened to trumpet the case – and its own dubious conclusions – as publicly as possible.

    Just like MH17, or the alleged (but fake) poison gas attacks in Syria, the policy has been to launch an initial barrage of accusations completely unsupported by the slightest shred of evidence – and then drop the matter abruptly, leaving the public with a strong impression of “Russian wickedness” although nothing has actually been proved.

    Incidentally, I wonder where the Skripals are and why. Apparently the Russian government applied for consular access to Yulia (who is a Russian citizen) but this was bluntly refused – against all norms of international law and civilized behaviour.

  14. Heros says:

    To add insult to injury, Russia destroyed all its chemical weapons in 2017:

    The US hasn’t. What this shows is that by eliminating its chemical weapons it displayed weakness to ZOG, and this weakness is now being exploited. An entire Russia-uses-chemical-weapons narrative is being constructed, with continual fake attacks in Syria, and now continual fake chem-weapons assasinations.

  15. Art says:

    The Russians would not have murdered the guy’s daughter.

    The Jews hate the Russians more then any other group. Look at all the US Jews and J-MSM attacking Russia.

  16. likbez says:

    May and Johnson are probably examples of the level of the degeneration of British elite.

    May accusations implies that the British authorities have both a control sample (to determine if the quantities found would be lethal) and samples from a few different labs to confirm that the fingerprint was from lab A not lab B for example. How did they got those ?

    Also from scant information available suggests that the most plausible hypothesis is a false flag operation which probably proceeded in two steps (with the first step not necessary accomplished by those who run the second step; it can be two different groups).

    First some poison like Fentanyl was mixed into food or drinks or taken by Skripals themselves either as masked as some other medication, or as a part of narcoaddict fix. Fentanyl is known for previous use in assassinations. It killed more than 21K people in the USA in 2016
    On the second stage, which occurred when Skripals were already hospitalized nerve agent was planted in several places, including home and the police investigator became the first victim. Poisoning of “opponent of the regime” provides ideal conditions for a false flag operation as the cloud of secrecy can be used to subvert the investigation and pursue the agenda with the complete impunity. The government can essentially decree the “truth” in such cases. It also provides tremendous propaganda effect.

    And British are not shy from experimenting on humans with poison gases either. It took 50 years for Porton Down chemical research centre to come clean on poisoning a British soldier with Sarin telling him it was a flu test. Poor fella.

    Only this sequence of events can explain what the doctor who treated the daughter for 30 min and first responders suffered no consequences.

    Poisoning of the “opponent of the regime” is a known British tactics first demonstrated in full glory in Litvinenko case (“Arafat and Litvinenko: an Interesting Turn to a Mysterious Story”,

    The first step can also be plot by some group connected with William Browder of Magnitsky death fame (, Berezovsky associates or some other “Russian mafia in London” groups. The fact that Skripal has such an expensive car suggests that he was participating in some business dealings, probably as a part of some London-based exiles group. UK government is not know for extreme generosity toward such people as Skripal.

    The question arise why the UK government went this path. It well might be the USA pressure (like in case of Iraq invasion) or internal considerations that such step will be beneficial to the May government survival. Or both.

    My impression is that his is just a first (and somewhat clumsy executed) step in multi step gambit in which Scripals were just sacrificial lamps. Pawns is a bigger game.

    The next steps might be related to Would Cup and/or confiscation of assets of Russian oligarchs in London to put pressure on Putin and possibly initiate with their hands a “regime change” in Russia.

    Available timelines suggest that initial poisoning took around half an hour to incapacitate them, which is not typical for a nerve gas.

    Here is timeline adapted from BBC ( )

    13:30 GMT: his car was seen driving down Devizes Road, towards the town centre
    13:40 GMT: Mr Skripal and his daughter arrived at the Sainsbury’s upper level car park at the Maltings shopping precinct. Police said the pair went to The Mill pub before going to Zizzi restaurant at 14:20 GMT, staying until 15:35 GMT
    CCTV footage shows them walking around 3:47 p.m.
    16:15 GMT: emergency services received the first report of an incident
    ??:?? Police found the pair on a bench outside Zizzi in an “extremely serious condition”

    If we assume that they were poisoned at Zizzi with fentanyl or something similar they survived for more then an hour, which is not atypical in cases of narcotics overdose. Moreover Scripal lost emotional control at the restaurant which also happens when a narcoaddict wants to take his fix and can’t. That does not explain why the daughter was also affected, though.

    Here is also another timeline from

    @25 peter.. i found this sequence of events timing from somewhere else – can’t remember.. it
    seems they visiting the pub before the restaurant…

    1255 EST depart residence on 10 min drive to cemetery

    1305 EST arrive cemetery

    1335 EST depart cemetery

    1340 ARR Sainsbury parking lot

    1345 EST arrive pub after 5 min walk to pub. EST 30 min in pub

    1415 EST depart pub for 5 min walk to Zizzi

    1420 ARR Zizzi pizza restaurant. Skirpal angry with loss of emotional control.

    1535 DP Zizzi pizza restaurant

    1547 CCTV walking on street toward park

    1600 Found on park bench Comatose, frothing at mouth, contracted pupils, vacant stare,
    convulsions, evidence of vomiting.

    1615 Police and ambulance receive information from public. Response followed

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  17. LondonBob says:

    There is certainly a reasonable list of suspects, most more credible than the Russian state. Perhaps one can also seperate out the crime in to two parts, those who committed it, and those who have sought to exploit it.

    • Agree: Kiza
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  18. Interesting to see British politicians becoming aroused about anything, considering their indifference when it comes to the actual mayhem being committed in British cities.

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  19. @likbez

    Degeneration since when ?

    Ian Hernon, ‘Britain’s Forgotten Wars, Colonial Campaigns of the 19th Century’, 2003, 2007, Chalford – Stroud
    Winston Churchill, ‘The Story of the Malakand Field Force’, 1898, 2004, New York
    Sir Campbell Stuart K.B.E., ‘Secrets of Crewe House, The Story of a Famous Campaign’, 1920, London
    Jawaharlal Nehru, ‘The discovery of India’, Calcutta 1948
    Edmund Curtis, ‘A History of Ireland’, 1936, 2000, London
    John Prebble, ‘The Highland Clearances’, London 1969
    Maurice Beresford, ‘The Lost Villages of England’, 1969, London

    Downton Abbey, great propaganda.

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  20. @Ronald Blake

    Was not May at the Grenfell tower while it still was on fire ?
    Did she not personally organise help for those who had nothing left but their lives ?

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  21. Jake says:

    There is absolutely nothing totally duplicitous, nothing evil, that British secret service (meaning both MI5 and MI6) will not do, and in fact has not done.

    The British Empire operated as something at least akin to utterly amoral. It saw itself as beyond good and evil in any historic sense. As it was born of rebellion against Christendom, that not only makes sense but also was all but inevitable.

    Anglo-Saxon Puritanism was a Judaizing heresy. Judaizing heresy will produce culture that is pro-Jewish specifically and more generally will reflect ways of doing and being and thinking, ways of defining morality, that are in step with the Talmud. And that may be summed as: amoral will to power based on faith that one’s group is the superior race/nation that should rule the world by any means necessary.

    The British Empire did not die in any sense. The British Empire’s direct rule simply moved to DC and NYC. America is now the chief operating officer of the British Empire. WASP culture and its rather unique form of amoral imperialism still rules the world and intends to crush every opposition into dust – for the uplifting of poor brown and black brothers and sisters, and for freedom for all, and other selfless good works.

    Who poisoned the hapless idiot Russian double agent and his daughter? In general, some part of the British secret service, which includes the CIA and the Mossad and the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency.

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  22. Jake says:
    @Ronald Blake

    That mayhem is what the WASP leaders of the UK want. It keeps the white trash from even seeing that they are basically serfs to a collection of self-righteous, power-worshiping WASPs. And that allows the UK to do whatever Uncle Sam, now the leader of the WASP worldwide Empire, needs done.

  23. Jake says:

    That and the fact that Jews worldwide hated Russia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries and today fear Russia far more than any country as possibly moving toward re-establishing Christendom.

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  24. Philip Owen says: • Website

    Mr Giraldi,

    1) Skripal was up to his neck in the Steele (boss of Skripal’s MI6 minder) dossier on Trump. His is not the first body to be found.
    2) The Iranians made 5 members of the Novichok family 18 months ago and gave spectral analyses to the OPCW.

    I have written at length on this, too long to reproduce here. For those interested follow this link.

    • Replies: @El Dato
  25. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    The redoubtable Nikki Haley is already using the incident to fearmonger over Moscow’s intentions at the U.N., warning that a Russian chemical attack on New York City could be coming.

    Then New Yorkers better start carrying gas masks, since ‘Nutty’ Nikki is a pet of deranged Israeli PM Bibi Nuttyahoo, who had warned that New York’s WTC complex would get hit by a terrorist attack before Israel pulled off the 9/11 False Flag.

    Poison gas, made by those clever Rooskies and delivered by Iranian agents is what dual citizen Wolf Blitzer will report.

  26. Kiza says:
    @Ronald Blake

    There is no money in the raped British low-class white girls by Muslims, there is a lot of money for the MIC in Russia attacking UK with nerve agents. Just think of all those Britons clamoring for protection from the killer Russians – potentially trillions of new pounds for the government sector which was meant to have budget cuts. Enough motivation to even start creating new Russian words as is Novichok (meaning New Bullsh**, or Give-Me-Money-I-Protect-You).

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  27. @Mark James

    Nope, you lean stupid!

    • Agree: Vojkan
  28. This is another OPERATION GLADIO done by MI6 and or the MOSSAD and CIA to promote the hate Russia agenda that the Zionist NWO cabal is operating.

  29. @jilles dykstra

    Degeneration since when ?

    For sure. The Brit empire was probably the most disgusting empire of relatively modern times and probably the biggest source of trouble and mayhem in the world, ever. The US and Israeli empires have supplanted it, but even they have a long way to go to catch up.

    It’s been degenerate for at least 500 years. The ruling classes have always been disgusting.

  30. El Dato says:

    Can this be confirmed?

    Are there any journalists left in Blighty?

    Israel Shamir’s take seems pretty good too. The trope of “unbelievably dangerous advanced undetectable stuff out of Russia” is well-worn.

  31. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Yes, this is the British version of Russiagate, no doubt: no evidence, numerous versions that contradict each other, lots of hot air and finger pointing. At the moment we do not know what Skripal was poisoned with or by whom, we can’t even be sure that anyone was poisoned with anything. All we have is hot air, just like with Iraq WMD. From the same very “reliable” sources: British intelligence services and British PM. Neither ever lies, just ask Tony Blair. Not to mention that we are currently on version #5 (poisoned in the car, where apparently a British cop and more than 30 other people rode with him, if we are to believe previous statements). Only a hopeless moron can stage a provocation without inventing a coherent set of plausible lies beforehand. He did it, right in the middle of Britain in Salisbury, next to the British chemical weapons facility. Credo quia absurdum.

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  32. annamaria says:
    @John Kirby

    The holy water of truth is dripping on the UK/US/Israeli witches:
    “OPCW inspectors have had full access to all known Russian chemical weapons facilities for over a decade – including those identified by the “Novichok” alleged whistleblower Mirzayanov – and last year OPCW inspectors completed the destruction of the last of 40,000 tonnes of Russian chemical weapons
    By contrast, the programme of destruction of US chemical weapons stocks still has five years to run.
    Israel has extensive stocks of chemical weapons but has always refused to declare any of them to the OPCW. Israel is not a state party to the Chemical Weapons Convention nor a member of the OPCW. Israel signed in 1993 but refused to ratify as this would mean inspection and destruction of its chemical weapons. Israel undoubtedly has as much technical capacity as any state to synthesise “Novichoks”.
    Porton Down is still not certain it is the Russians who have apparently synthesised a “Novichok”. Hence “Of a type developed by Russia”. Not developed, not made, produced or manufactured. It is very carefully worded propaganda. Of a type developed by liars.”

  33. El Dato says:
    @Philip Owen

    Dear M. Owen,

    You write:

    The Iranians made 5 members of the Novichok family 18 months ago and gave spectral analyses to the OPCW.


    But how would they know whether they have THE product, a product that is uncontaminated, or even works?

    You also write:

    It also seems to decay quickly as the Police Sergeant exposed to it at the Skripal house was less severely affected than the Skripals. The passers-by who attended the Skripals and the other diners at the Zizzi pizza parlour appear not to have been exposed. It was not deadly so far for the Skripals or the policeman. This sounds like a weapon designed to deny an area such as an airfield to the defending side.

    If it was an “area denial” product, it wouldn’t decay quickly. VX for example stays on-ground for an extended period.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
    , @Philip Owen
  34. Excuse me for pointing out the obvious, but this has Mossad, Black-Ops written all over it.

    • Replies: @Jake
  35. @jacques sheete

    What is oft referred to as US empire is not in any reflective of Empire as the term is used. Primarily what the US has done is conquest and or purchase said territories, save in rare instances and in those cases in which we have not – our territorial ownership has been “relatively mild” by comparison.

    Most of influence and or control has been of a corporate, financial, trade pressures. And oddly enough those relations seem to be dictating policy, ethos and social agenda abroad at home.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  36. Everything newsworth must conform to the accepted narrative. Of course Putin did it. When the wild cat is belled, the mice shout “Placet”.

  37. El Dato says:

    The fun thinh is that Premier May is now so hopelessly committed to this utter bollocks that backtracking will be politicial suicide. Well, one would hope. If she backtracks and “all is fine”, we might as well nuke the UK from orbit because there must be zombie infestation going on down there.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  38. Joe Hide says:

    To the Author,
    Its hard to beleve you would question the motives of british elitists who’ve repeated been caught with their pants down (Literally), who’ve told the public one thing then repeatedly done the opposite, and who are so hideous that they need considerable efforts by make-up artists before appearing in public. What nerve!

  39. tjm says:

    The “hate for Trump” by the establishment, is a total canard.

    Trump is OWNED by the same Zionist mafia filth that own May, which is the same Zionists that own the media in America and Britain.

    As when Obama (also a Zionist puppet, mainly because Obama was a coward, unlike Trump who has been groomed to be a zionist puppet) was in office, he was provided a FAKE conflict with the “birthers”. American politics are all about subterfuge, distraction, divide and conquer.

    The so called “attacks on Trump”, are simply meant to drive the right to support him, precisely the way the “attacks on Obama”, drove the left to ignore Obama’s neocon ways, and defend him.

    England is run by the Zionists, Washington is run by the Zionists, Wall Street IS Zionist, as it the media and the entire entertainment industry, as well as the “social Media”, Trump is from Jew York City, owes his fortune to Jewish Bankers, and yet, so many buy this ridiculous narrative of Trump, the anti establishment warrior, a meme that is ludicrous.

    So, instead of discussing Trump’s lies about border enforcement, his lies about leaving Syria, his lies about rebuilding infrastructure, he are distracted with lies about “sexual harassment”, and “Russia Gate”…and sadly many buy right into it.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  40. El Dato says:

    To further muddy the waters, there is a second dead Russian:

    Nikolai Glushkov: Murdered Russian exile may have let killer into his London home, police say

    “I must stress that there is nothing we have found in our investigation so far to suggest any link to the attempted murders in Salisbury and I would like to reassure the public in New Malden that there are no wider public health concerns in relation to this investigation.”

    Mr Glushkov was found dead at his home in New Malden, south-west London, on Monday evening.

    The incident was initially treated as “unexplained” but police announced a murder inquiry on Friday, when a source told The Independent Mr Glushkov may have been strangled with a dog lead.

    Talk about “sending messages”.

    He was a close friend of exiled Russian oligarch Boris Berezovsky, who was himself a friend of murdered spy Alexander Litvinenko.

    Mr Berezovsky was found hanged in the bathroom of his Berkshire home in 2013.

    Police said a post-mortem showed no sign of a violent struggle, and an inquest recorded an open verdict after hearing conflicting evidence.

    At the time, Mr Glushkov said he believed his friend had been murdered, telling The Guardian: “I don’t believe Boris died of natural causes. Too many deaths [of Russian exiles] have been happening.”

    Mr Berezovsky’s death is among up to 14 being reviewed by police and MI5 in light of the nerve agent attack on Mr Skripal and his daughter in Salisbury.

    The murder came almost exactly a week after former Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter were poisoned with a nerve agent in Salisbury.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  41. Che Guava says:

    I had been looking forward to seeing Dr. Giraldi comment on this nonsense. Also, Mr. Shamir’s comment and the OP who was hnking to moonofalabama, all very interesting.

    It seems that neither father nor daughter is dead (if either or both were, noisy announcements would have followed, as surely as night follows day or vice versa), which would imply that both have recovered from whatever really happened, and are being held in some type of medical facility under administrative detention, likely being fed nasty disorientating drugs to prevent them giving an accurate account of what really happened, or at least, what they saw or noticed of it.

  42. Z-man says:

    Yes, I’ve said this for years. Once Putin made the sign of the cross and officially reestablished Russian Christianity in a country that was officially atheistic for so many years, the fangs came out of the globalists, internationalists, NEOCON’s and open border crowd, in other words the Jooz!

  43. Z-man says:

    Targeted assassinations, that’s a novel thought, it could clean up ‘The Beltway’ nicely.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  44. Jake says:
    @Carroll Price

    The Mossad. which like the CIA, was fathered by British secret service?

    So if the Mossad did it on British soil, you can bet your last penny that both the CIA and MI5/6 not only knew before hand but participated in the details.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Carroll Price
  45. For those considering that this was an operation by one of our allies. Though I hate to slide in the direction of conspiracies without a clear hint of reason-ability. There is but one “good reason” for Britain to engage in such a desperate move —

    to overturn Brexit. The overarch is that this is no time for the UK to be riding the tides alone against Russian intrigues and murder attempts. After all it is not as if the great Europeans powers, including Russia are devoid of assassination ploys and recriminations.

    If that is the case then I suspect that there are no victims here. But rather two people sitting in seclusion in a hospital room with mild tummy aches playing the role of victim of some evil plot.

    But that is just me playing around with conspiracy — I am not seriously advocating anything.

  46. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Giraldi: “It was done to put the pressure on Trump”

    lolz. Notice how every event in a dictatorship is said to revolve around dear leader. The slaves in a police state depend on the propaganda corps for their fairy tales. The slaves must look up and not think or ask too many questions about the spy thrillers that are shown to them.

    • Replies: @tjm
  47. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Seems the British just ‘knew’ what happened and how it transpired awfully fast, a little bit too fast since it’s still something of a puzzle at this point. However, now that they have their official narrative they’ll stick to it so whatever emerges is sure to be muzzled and managed to fit it. American media will follow along. Who benefits from this attempted assassination if that’s what this is? It seems unlikely that the British would have carried it out as a false flag since this is a huge dissuasion to anyone out there tempted to become an agent of theirs. Moscow demonstrates that traitors die so don’t even think about it.
    In fact all major countries have engaged in murdering people outside of their borders for one reason or another. The US, Britain, Israel, Turkey, Russia, just to name a few, have been assassinating people around the world for a long time now so let’s not be hypocritical in our outrage. The US has had an openly declared policy of torture and loves to drop bombs upon people all over the world so for any American to feign outrage lacks any moral weight. Perhaps the British felt that as part of the exchange it was understood that Skripal would be left unmolested and feel that Moscow broke this gentleman’s understanding.

  48. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Sure sign of false flag: finger pointing started from the get-go. No investigation was necessary, as perpetrators knew exactly who they intend to accuse.

    • Replies: @ANON
  49. @JR

    “Really don’t understand why Giraldi classifies this as “wild”.”

    He’s being sarcastic, though he isn’t wordsmith enough to convey it. A much better article on this same subject was written by Thomas Luongo:

    “Look around you, step back from the craziness and see the bigger picture. When you do you just see a bunch of incompetent, venal people covering their asses. While a lot of what I write here could be considered ‘conspiratorial’ I would disagree.

    In fact, I rarely, if ever, chalk up to conspiracy that which incompetence explains far better. As a root cause analyst, I prefer Occam’s Razor to Alex Jones.

    Yes, there are groups of people with power conspiring to achieve personal and societal goals which are anathema to life and decency.

    But, that doesn’t mean that because they have power they are competent at wielding it. In fact, power makes you lazy. Winning makes you complacent and, eventually, stupid.”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  50. Alfred says:

    “Perhaps one can also seperate out the crime in to two parts, those who committed it, and those who have sought to exploit it.”

    Same people.

  51. @Ronald Thomas West

    “the British haven’t a clue as to what actually happened”

    That might be giving them far too much credit.

  52. @jacques sheete

    I often wondered if the British custom of letting the eldest son inherit anything caused cruel British colonialism, in Britain, and out.
    Roy & Lesley Adkins, ‘Jack Tar, The extraordinary lives of ordinary seamen in Nelson’s navy’, 2009 London
    British slavery well described.
    Also in
    Marcus Clarke, ‘For the Term of his Natural Life’, 1874, 1970, London
    It is a novel, but supposed to describe well how minor British criminals, such as stealing one bread, were deported to Australia, in conditions closely resembling slave transports over the Atlantic.
    The main difference, sailing to Australia could take months.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  53. @anonymous

    I wonder what murders present Russia perpetrated.

    • Replies: @anon
  54. skrik says:

    So if the Mossad did it on British soil, you can bet your last penny that both the CIA and MI5/6 not only knew before hand but participated in the details

    It’s a publicity stunt; recall Bernays’ “torches of freedom.”

    It parallels 9/11, whereby contradictory evidence has been ‘pushed.’

    The targets seem to be two, 1) the proles [as usual] and 2) Putin/Russia [danger, nukes!]

    But (1) makes no sense; as no Iraqi WMDs showed, a) the CCC [= covert criminal cabal] went ahead anyway, telling the proles: “Bite your bum!” The proles are powerless passengers, and voting is futile anyway since x = y.

    And (2) should have *no* effect at all; Putin was always going to be and has now been re-elected, and from Crimea, E.Ukr and especially Syria, Russia appears to have the rogue-regimes’ measure. A proof = refugees now streaming out of Ghouta into [comparative] freedom, say.

    So, given the apparently threadbare psyop, a) with what purpose, and b) cui bono? Especially (b), UK could end up with a very bad case of ‘egg all over its face.’

    Let us posit some 3rd party, whose name some dare not mention? “Do what we say and nobody gets hurt” seems to have lost its oomph and ‘smartest crims on the planet’ looks definitely jaded. Confounded by inconvenient reality, perhaps?

    When it comes to choosing between a conspiracy and a stuff-up?

    Well, here we seem to have both.

    In spades.

    *OR*: We haven’t seen the ‘surprise’ ending yet?

    • Replies: @El Dato
    , @AB_Anonymous
  55. Sean says:


    One of Alexander Litvinenko’s alleged assassins is to mock Britain by fronting a television show about the fate of Russian ‘traitors’ who, like the poisoned KGB spy, defected to work for MI6. Andrei Lugovoi has already dismissed the British inquiry that named him as the prime suspect in Litvinenko’s death, and now appears to be taking his derision for the outcome one step further

    Funny joke, eh?

    The expulsions will no doubt produce a tit-for-tat PNG from Moscow, ironically crippling or even eliminating the MI-6 presence and considerably reducing Britain’s own ability to understand what it going on in the Kremlin.

    We understand we are not being taken seriously. The Russians kill people in our country and laugh at us, over and over again. It is not like Eire whose secret service and PM was admittedly known to have armed and protected the IRA cross border in a decades of murders in Ireland and England, because Eire is a joke country coddled as if it was still part of the United Kingdom. Russia is an adult and has to be punished.

    And to throw out a really wild possibility, one might observe that no one in Britain had a stronger motive to generate a major confrontation with a well-defined enemy than Theresa May, who has been under fire by the media and pressured to resign by many in her own Conservative Party. Once upon a time suggesting that a democratically elected government might assassinate someone for political reasons would have been unthinkable, but the 2016 election in the United States has demonstrated that nothing is impossible, particularly if one is considering the possibility that a secret intelligence service might be collaborating with a government to help it stay in power. An incident in which no one was actually killed that can be used to spark an international crisis mandating “strong leadership” would be just the ticket.

    When added to Litvinenko’s death, the non fatal poisoning of a British defector and his daughter will make any Russian in London or Moscow very chary about working for either of the UK secret services. So neither MI6 or MI5 would have obeyed any such order, because it would destroy the basis on which they operate. . Via their minor involvement in the Porfumo affair MI5 accidentally brought down the Conservative government of Harold Macmillan, and Wilson became PM. MI5 thought Harold Wilson had become labour leader when the KGB poisoned his predecessor, and Wilson was a Soviet agent but they could not get rid of him, they don’t have the guts for extra judicial operations.

  56. El Dato says:

    It parallels 9/11

    9/11 was less important than the Anthrax show thereafter.

    • Replies: @skrik
  57. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @John Kirby

    The Skripal poisoning, if indeed there was a poisoning (odd that there are no news reports on the present condition of the Skripals or of the policeman allegedly poisoned), could have been a private sector crime or a charade. The US ha a surplus of natural gas that is a byproduct of fracking for oil How better to dispose of the surplus gas than liquefy it and sell it to the Europeans at decent profit. Trouble is, Russian pipeline gas is much cheaper. What then to do? Provide the EU with the justification for sanctioning completion of NordStream 2, the pipeline now nearing completion and designed to carry Russian gas to Germany and other places in Northern Europe:

    March 15, 2018:
    US Senator John Barosso: Senators Push to Stop Russia’s Nord Stream II Natural Gas Pipeline

  58. @Twodees Partain

    “Things must be serious, Everyone’s lying.”

    Pat Lang’s commentariat is getting a handle on the serious situation the British Bernays Brouhaha is distracting attention from:


    Juniper Cobra, the largest joint US-Israeli air defense exercise, is underway across the country.

    BY ANNA AHRONHEIM Jerusalem Post MARCH 8, 2018 17:00

    > Amid rising tensions, US troops in Israel for missile defense drill
    > Israeli and American troops gear up for joint 12-day Juniper Cobra drill

    US Third Air Force Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark in Israel for joint drill says:

    “We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that – as every conflict we train for and enter, there is always that possibility,”

    ”“As far as decision-making, it is a partnership,” he continued, stressing nonetheless that “at the end of the day it is about the protection of Israel – and if there is a question in regards to how we will operate, the last vote will probably go to Zvika [Brig.-Gen. Zvika Haimovitch, head of the IDF’s Aerial Defense Division].”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Wally
  59. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Aangirfan is definitely fake news, although that doesn’t detract from the fact that the Bandar suicide is certainly a curious fact, given curiously little coverage by the MSM.

  60. Beckow says:

    We understand we are not being taken seriously

    Good, understanding that you are a joke is the first step on the road to possible recovery.

    Try for once to imagine a reverse scenario: an Englishman dies under suspicious circumstances in a provincial town in Russia. (Or 3-4 of them over 15-20 years.) He was considered a ‘traitor’ by UK for whatever reason. Immediately Russia declares that it was an ‘unacceptable attack on Russia’s sovereignty, that Britain did it, and that it is ‘highly likely’ that Teresa May ordered it herself’. Russian government also says that they will not disclose any details, show no evidence and will not even allow basis diplomatic protocol for UK embassy. Why? For reasons of ‘state security‘. Wouldn’t any rational outsider consider that a joke?

    Now, I do understand that you – and most Brits – think that you are special. That there is one set of rules for you, and another for the ‘others‘. You have been conditioned by propaganda to assert this without any shame and to demonise Russia based on decades of half-witted stories (most taken out of context and exaggerated). Why would anyone take you seriously?

    People who walk around saying that they are exceptional, meaning they are ‘Gods’, or that they talk ‘to God’, are generally ignored or kept in an institution. Claiming that you are ‘exceptional and special’ is the same as claiming that you are divine – that’s what it has meant historically.

    This ‘joke’ is not that funny any more. Grow up.

    • Agree: Kiza
  61. @jilles dykstra

    I have no idea of May’s activities during that event. Whatever she did or didn’t do, the overall official British response to the Muslim grooming atrocities has been disgraceful.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  62. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Only this sequence of events can explain what the doctor who treated the daughter for 30 min and first responders suffered no consequences.

    The “Doctor” who, so the BBC reported, “asked not to be named” is surely a prime suspect.

    Not only was she the only person known to be in the vicinity of the Skripals closest to the time they were poisoned, but she was aksi the person best able to have planted nerve agent contamination where the Skripals were allegedly incapacitated.

    As for the Skripals, who have disappeared from view and to whom the daughter has been denied contact by a Russian embassy representative, perhaps they are already settling into new identities, their old selves eventually to be declared dead, despite heroic efforts by, um, well we’re not sure who, since no one subjected to a nerve agent was admitted as a patient by the local hospital.

  63. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The British Empire operated as something at least akin to utterly amoral.

    This is a distraction and a red herring. All states operate on the same basis. raison d’état, always trumps justice and morality.

  64. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @El Dato

    The fun thinh is that Premier May is now so hopelessly committed to this utter bollocks that backtracking will be politicial suicide.

    Why ever would she backtrack? The MSM are in full support, creating all the facts that justify her shrill denucnciation of Vlad the Poisoner?

  65. @SolontoCroesus

    Thanks for offering such meaningful comment, S2C.

    Just passed by a T.V. set in Planet Fitness and both Zio CNN & Fox News were announcing ZUS President Trump’s intent to meet soon with Russian President Putin on the “arms race and Syria.”

    Too bad that instead of defending out planet’s fitness & well being, the priority OBJECTIVE of our president’s (impending) Putin conference will be guaranteeing Greater Israel’s destiny, along with east-west Superpower’s enforced security.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  66. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    That and the fact that Jews worldwide hated Russia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries

    Not all Jews by any means, according to Alexander Solzhenitsyn: Two Hundred Years Together.

    Although Jews played major roles in the 1905 revolt, the October 1917 Revolution, the Cheka, and the Bolshevik Army and Government, some supported the nationalists (the Whites) and many in the exile community were staunch anti-Communists, who saw the Bolsheviks as having robbed them of their Russian homeland.

  67. bjondo says:

    If they were poisoned?

    Probably Brits. Maybe Benyammerin? Certainly US thug state aware. Most likely the 3 Axis of Evil members conspired. Fellow was expendable. Daughter murdered for shock value. Judaized West not ethical not moral.

    Any way this event only helped Pres Putin.

    And 1500 internatiional observers certify legit.

    US will need 1500 for NYC alone in 2020 to prevent Demos from stealing.

  68. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    All we have is hot air, just like with Iraq WMD. … Not to mention that we are currently on version #5 (poisoned in the car, where apparently a British cop and more than 30 other people rode with him, if we are to believe previous statements). … Only a hopeless moron can stage a provocation without inventing a coherent set of plausible lies beforehand.

    Actually, having no definite story, and constantly updating the narrative with ridiculous red herrings, is probably the best way to go with a fake terror attack. With a different herring to pursue each day, the truthseeking citizen soon becomes exhausted and relapses back into the normal pattern of going to work and feeding a family, but with a reinforced sense of their own lack of power to either control, or even understand the world in which they live.

    This is the end time of democracy. We are now entering an age of psycho-totalitarianism. People do what the elite require because their brainwashed friends, neighbors, and children otherwise turn against them. They are demonized and humiliated as racists, anti-Semites, dog whistlers and all the rest of the bullshit lexicon of political correctness not for their actions but merely for their thoughts.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  69. PM may was tasked with a very simple mandate. The cote for exiting the EU had several messages from the public.

    1. We would like to remain British

    2. We prefer not to have social policy based on our view of the world, not that of the system
    concerned primarily with euros and deutchmarks

    3. We prefer not to have political policy based on our view of the world, not that of the system
    concerned primarily with euros and deutchmarks

    4, We prefer not to have an economic policy based that serves the British people, not that of the
    system that best serves the elites in London or Brussels.

    5. The culture of Greater Britain — the UK matters and we would like to retain it.

    6. We are not prepared to give upon our identity or control of our destiny.

    The prime Minister should best concern herself with those primary obligations of which the stand out policy is extracting the UK from the entanglements of the EU.

    Assassination is serious business. If the British Government has a case they should make it evidence in tact. But hurling the country into fear mode over speculative accusations so as to divert from the tough work of governance seems an unlikely ply by one calling herself a conservative. The gamesmanship over Russia and the manipulation of polity and media so as to indict Russia was outed when the EU and the US baited the Ukrainians into a needless violent revolution that has just barely been contained from becoming a full scale regional war. I say outed because had the EU seriously wanted to invite the Ukrainians into the EU financial system, they simply should have underbid the Russians. When they chose to maintain a higher price, their motives became undone.

    The fear mongering over Russia a hangover from the cold war. I don’t contend that Russia is a bystander and not a competitor in world events — but its high time the west have a little confidence in the democratic ideals and structures she has put in place.

    The greatest threat to British culture is her failure to assimilates her immigrants. That does not mean that old wrongs require British “mea culpas” so as to accommodate her new arrivals. That means, either they conform to British laws and ethos or they get out.

    God Save the Queen.

    It’s really that simple.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  70. ValmMond says:

    If true, that’s an amazing development, deserving its own article.

  71. When you take this obvious false flag together with the other story headlining Unz at the moment, i.e. the rape and abuse of thousands of girls in Telford, it is clear that the British government has lost all legitimacy. It actively lies to, abuses, and tries to destroy its own citizenry. Every British subject would be acting within the scope of his natural rights were he to overthrow this abominable government. The conditions for a just revolution have been met.

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
  72. Ger says:

    Skripal and daughter … cheap, convenient, collateral damage for the warmongers. A person trained to handle organic nerve material introduces it into Skripal’s car, they go for a morning drive and stop to have a pizza. After pizza, they begin to feel a little queasy. Go sit on a park bench. A passing citizen sees them, calls for medical assistance. Doctor says probably poisoned by toxic agent. Doctor knows it was not highly refined military grade. How does the doctor know this: He is just down the street from the British Nerve Agent Factory and has been trained to recognize and treat real exposures to potent nerve agents. A policeman ends up in same hospital as Skripal because he sees car parked overtime or illegally, opens door to check for ownership gets zapped by toxic agent. Car is lifted by straps so as not poison others and hauled to Potent Downs or whatever the Nerve Agent Factory is called. Now it can be doctored to fit the crime and I don’t mean the Russians. How am I doing? Got a better tale?

  73. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lolz, another zombie who worships Trump. Trump belongs to the Ruling Class. If he didn’t, the rulers never would have selected him as president. Trump actor is given his lines and he reads them obediently: “It looks like Russia was behind the poisoning”

    Now that Trump actor is performing brilliantly maybe the US and UK should bomb Iran and kill a few million innocent women and children to show them better manners. You know, like in Iraq the country that had nothing to do with 911 and didn’t have any WMD.

  74. pyrrhus says:

    Indeed. Given the obvious fact that this was not a deadly military neurotoxin, or a lot of people would be dead, and May’s lies and deceit on the matter, it quite obviously was a false flag by the UK, possibly egged on by the US Deep State and/or Mossad. The UK will surely be the loser as a result, but likely Theresa May hopes it will extend her disastrous tenure in office…

    It also may be intended to distract attention from the mass rapes, and some murders, of British girls at Telford…Obviously, May and her disgusting supporters don’t intend to do anything about Moslem rape gangs, so time to blame Russia for something…

  75. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    God Save the Queen.

    It’s really that simple.

    Good God. How disgusting. You’re suggesting that the plebeian mass of ignorant white trash calling themselves the British nation should actually rule themselves by way of a democratically elected parliament, their national loyalty centered on a constitutional monarch who is head of the English national Christian church.

    Good God, the first thing that scum would do is vote to send the immigrants home, beginning with the mayor of London, followed by the rape gangs of Rotherham and elsewhere.

    Fortunately, that can never happen. The media and the K-to-middle-aged education system tell the people how to despise themselves and their natural inclination to self-preservation, while the political machines tell the people who they can have to represent them. Thus, the so-called parliamentary representatives of the people are not representatives of the people in government, but representative of government to the people. Propagandist, that is, i.e., traitors.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
    , @peterAUS
  76. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks Chuck, for following All the News that doesn’t fit the planetary frame-up.

    Another example of such unfit information:

    John Wear has posted the Table of Contents and Introduction to his book, Germany’s War HERE:

    And an extended review of the book can be found here:

    You will notice that Wear relies heavily on Suvorov, and also that Suvorov’s work is “corroborated in full by a former high-ranking officer in the former East-German army, Bernd Schwipper.”
    from the Review:

    By Thomas Dunskuson August 14, 2016

    The reviewer [is reminded] of some lines written by Schiller:

    “This is the curse of every evil deed
    That propagating still, it brings forth evil”.

    [lines that W H Auden paraphrased in September 1939:
    You and I and the people know
    What all schoolchildren learn:
    Those to whom evil is done
    Do evil in return. ]

    This book is a synopsis of the political and military actions undertaken by the major powers involved in what, over a few years, would become World War Two. For a moment, I was wondering whether I should not knock off a star, because the arrangement of the sections could perhaps be improved, but then the text as such is so important that this material consideration does not really matter – hence five stars.

    The first part deals primarily with Germany’s most powerful antagonists in WW2, the Soviet Union and the USA. The central portion of the text concerns illegitimate acts committed by these countries before, during and after the war, while the third portion deals with such actions on the German side.


    Whereas, in the present book, the account of the preparations for a major war by the Soviet Union, both materially and strategically, is still based mainly on the works of Viktor Suvorov, a Soviet intelligence operative who defected to the UK in 1978, much of what Suvorov later published in the West has now been corroborated in full by a former high-ranking officer in the former East-German army, Bernd Schwipper.

    In his book “Deutschland im Visier Stalins” (Germany in Stalin’s gunsight) published in 2015, Schwipper clearly shows that in the period between the defeat of Poland by Germany and the SU in the fall of 1939 and the German invasion of the SU not quite two years later, the Red Army not only conducted any number of wars of aggression but was also preparing a major offensive against Germany and the rest of Europe that was about to be launched when the German army attacked the SU in late June 1941 .

    Schwipper is uniquely qualified to present such a view as his perfect knowledge of the Russian language allowed him to study the Soviet files in the Russian archives in great detail; the reader of John Wear’s work can hence be sure that Wear’s analysis is bullet-proof. It would be highly desirable for Schwipper’s book to be published in English as well.

    The manner in which the US prepared its entry into the war is better known, as the corresponding sources have been more easily obtainable, but Wear’s presentation is still valuable in that it provides us with an overall view of the details. The reader can see how obstinately the US – and FDR in particular – pursued a policy aimed at provoking either the Germans or the Japanese to fire the first shot and hence justify the US entry into the war. Various tactics were employed, be it the basically illegitimate supply of war material to Britain in various ways (e.g. “destroyers for bases”), the active cooperation of US forces with the British navy in securing transports to the point where German submarines were attacked by US ships before war had been declared, or, as early as October 1939, to allow only Soviet submarines to enter US ports in spite of the fact that the SU had just fought a war against Poland and annexed the Polish East.

    Quite apart from such military measures, the US, in the summer of 1941, ordered the closing of all Japanese and German consulates in the country. At the same time, the US presented documents to the press which supposedly showed German plans to advance not only into South America, but into North America as well – clearly ridiculous forgeries, considering the state of German armaments at the time.

    The author shows us that in spite of such unbelievable provocations, Germany remained inactive and that Roosevelt thus had to search for other means to justify an American entry into the hostilities – the Far East. The most blatant measure in this regard was the freezing of all Japanese assets in the summer of 1941 – months before the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor.

    That raid eventually took place on 7 December 1941. It could have been warded off by the US forces stationed in the area. As the author shows, however, while the US government had deciphered Japanese messages and therefore knew that an attack was imminent, the local commanders, Adm. Kimmel and Gen. Short were not informed – clearly a criminal act which led to greater damage to the American fleet and thus impressed the public to the point that it eventually approved FDR’s policy. Now there was total war.

    In the Second Part of his book, the author describes the crimes committed by the Allies against Germans, such as the levelling of German cities, the expropriation and expulsion of some 15 million Germans from their native lands that had been undisputed parts of Germany for centuries, or the horrifying conditions obtaining in the camps where the German soldiers were held after their capitulation. In order to justify such illegal treatment of the prisoners, it was decided by the Allies not to define them as “prisoners of war” but as “disarmed enemy forces”, which allowed any kind of arbitrary measures to be taken against them, with the result that a considerable number of the prisoners died in the summer of 1945, after the end of the hostilities and in spite of the availability of food in western Europe.

    Conditions were particularly bad in US and French camps; in some of the latter camps prisoners were without shelter even in 1946. On the British (and, surpringly, also on the Soviet side) the situation never degenerated to such levels if the local situation allowed it. The reason behind the Soviet attitude was perhaps that for the SU, it was a war of classes, not against peoples as such and whereas Hitler’s regime was considered to be a true enemy, Germans as such were not. The long-term result of this point of view was that the SU strove to build up some kind of national feeling in East Germany after the war, whereas in West Germany, any such tendencies were squashed.

    The expropriation and explusion of German civilians had been mapped out in 1943, i.e. before the crimes later laid at the Germans’ feet had taken place or at least before they had become known; the measures were finally sanctioned at Potsdam. The persons concerned were for the most part women, children and the elderly who were driven from their homes under the most apalling conditions. If we allot to each of the expellees a fortune – both personal (real estate, housing, etc.) and public (hospitals, schools etc.) – of only some 50,000 US Dollars at present prices, we reach figures that approach a level of close to 1 000 (US) billion dollars (10 to the power of 12). It is estimated that more than one million persons died as a consequence of these expulsions, because – while officially they were to be carried out in an “orderly and humane” manner – more often than not this was not at all the case, especially if the expulsions took place in the early postwar period,

    Hitler’s government was aware of these plans and therefore attempted to anticipate them by evacuating the German population as the eastern front approached. This reviewer was among the people concerned, in a march that began in mid-January 1945 in central Silesia; the temperature never went much above 0 degF, even in daytime, during the first couple of weeks. The evacuation of the Auschwitz camp took place at the same time, those marches are now commonly called “death marches”.

    In the last section of the book, the author deals with the crimes committed by the Germans during WW2, many of which have been extensively treated in postwar trials and are certainly established facts. For some reason and without much activity on the side of revisionists, specific figures have undergone a significant albeit slow decrease over the decades for some of the most (in)famous camps. Also, some sources are still contradictory, for example the English Wikipedia entry on the camps in former Eastern Poland states that these camps (such as Treblinka etc.) were equipped with crematoria, whereas the corresponding German entry (as well as much of the literature) clearly states that they were not. It would, obviously, be highly desirable for such differences to be eliminated by further research.

    Looking at the events of WW2 today, with the benefit of hindsight, the reviewer is struck by oddities and sudden political changes in the early postwar period. To begin with, it must be remembered that Britain and France had gone to war in 1939 to save Poland and Chechoslovakia from German domination, but when the war was over, the Western Allies did not hesitate to turn these countries over to Stalin’s dictatorship for the next half century.

    Also, within a couple of years, the western Allies realized that while they had won the war, the Soviet Union, their former major and highly appreciated ally, had rapidly become a new enemy in a conflict that would last for nearly fifty years: the “Cold War”. In the face of this unexpected situation, they rapidly changed their attitude towards West Germany: rather than weakening the country (as Morgenthau et al. Would have liked, they strengthened it, incorporated it into the new Alliance of the Virtuous (NATO) and helped the Germans to make it the strongest power in Western Europe – within a mere decade, the West German economy had surpassed Britain, to say nothing of France.

    At the same time, though, the West had to make sure that Germany would continue to be an obedient nation; educational as well as legal measures where introduced to achieve this. However, as usual, there is no such thing as a free lunch, even though the bill maybe presented rather late: The German self-esteem, over something like two generations, has been broken to the point that, in the near future, the foreigners now drifting into the country may cause the center of Europe to collapse and the rest of the continent may well slide into the crater thus formed, simply because the Germans, like Goetz in Sartre’s play “The Devil and the Good Lord” are now trying to make up for their former sins and, in doing so, create situations that may soon become uncontrollable.

    It reminds the reviewer of some lines written by Schiller:

    “This is the curse of every evil deed
    That propagating still, it brings forth evil”.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  77. @CanSpeccy

    To whom it may concern,

    They have.

    They can.

    And they should, if need send any immigrant not so inclined home.

    I have a suspect eye on allegations that involve the magnitudes of noted throughout Scotland and England. But those comment i save for the column written by Mr. Derbyshire’s article.

    God save the Queen

  78. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Maybe it’s a good way to treat people with clinically low IQ. However, for the people with any brains this constant barrage of mutually contradictory red herrings means one thing only: the whole story is a pack of lies. Even with previous false-flag, the Litvinenko saga, the story appeared more plausible (i.e., seeing numerous holes and inconsistencies in it required IQ>100).
    My impression is that someone was in a hurry and did not have time to concoct anything even semi-plausible. Question is, why the hurry? If they intended to have this provocation out in time for Russian presidential elections, they might be even dumber than they look (quite hard in case of Boris Johnson, though). That would reveal total cluelessness about normal human psychology. Say, if Clinton’s campaign accused Trump of exterminating dinosaurs, he’d get more than 60% of the vote in the US. British hysterics over the Skripal affair certainly boosted Putin’s vote by at least 5%. If they had knocked off Gorbachev or Khodorkovsky, they could have raised his share of vote to above 80%. Ridiculous.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  79. annamaria says:

    Some correction to your statement: Israeli’s mythology of choseness is a strong driving force for the war in the Middle East:
    Comment section: “Someone needs to knock some heads together so all sing from the same page!
    US troops should be prepared to die for the Jewish State (US Air Force 3rd AF Commander Lt. Gen. Richard Clark) Jerusalem Post
    “As far as decision-making, it is a partnership,” he continued, stressing nonetheless that “at the end of the day it is about the protection of Israel – and if there is a question in regards to how we will operate, the last vote will probably go to Zvika [Brig.-Gen. Zvika Haimovitch, head of the IDF’s Aerial Defense Division].”
    Washington and Israel have signed an agreement which would see the US come to assist Israel with missile defense in times of war and, according to [Israeli commander] Haimovitch, “I am sure once the order comes we will find here US troops on the ground to be part of our deployment team to defend the State of Israel.”
    And those US troops who would be deployed to Israel, are prepared to die for the Jewish state, Clark said. “We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that – as every conflict we train for and enter, there is always that possibility,” he said.”
    — Ziocon parasitoid is prepping the US army for making the US troops die for the Jewish State in a war of aggression against the sovereign state of Syria.

    • Replies: @EliiteCommInc.
  80. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Maybe it’s a good way to treat people with clinically low IQ. However, for the people with any brains this constant barrage of mutually contradictory red herrings means one thing only: the whole story is a pack of lies.

    Yes, but remember that half the electorate does have an IQ of less than average, so the story goes a long way toward achieving the public support the government needs to maintain. As for those of allegedly greater than average IQ, many are part of the government machine or otherwise comfortable in Tory Britain and don’t intend to rock the boat. So I don’t see anything really upsetting the narrative short of Sergei Skripal appearing on 60 Minutes or some such widely-viewed public forum to relate how the whole story was concocted to justify further sanctions on Russia and that as an ever loyal Russian (a triple agent in fact) he is compelled now to reveal the truth about the hoax.

    In short, when it comes to lying, I’m pretty sure the elite know what they are doing.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  81. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    I think you underestimate the intelligence of the populace (although maybe I overestimate it – I work at a pretty good University, mostly interacting with faculty and grad students). The story (or, rather, numerous stories aired so far, changing almost daily) appears even less plausible than Litvinenko saga or the story of Malaysian Boeing MH17, where four years (!) of “investigation” produced next to nothing, while the blame was assigned before the debris even cooled down, which means that the blame was assigned by the perpetrators: intended “guilty” party was apparently known beforehand.
    Maybe the elites further degenerated in the last 4 years. Looking at Boris Johnson or Trump one would be inclined to conclude that.
    I don’t think that Skripal, or his daughter, is alive. If they are, that would be a major oversight of the organizers of this provocation. Dead people tell no tales. If perchance they are alive, they won’t be allowed to say anything. After all, there are drugs that make any human a vegetable.

  82. neel says:

    It is very easy to blame everything on race and religion when time and again it has been proved that who so ever was in power whether white, brown or black had exploited the masses. Nobody can live in an isolated society anymore. There was a time in the history when we were geographically separated based on race but now with globalization and progress of science no country or race can isolate and survive. That doesn’t mean people in the past were all in heavens :). There were savages back then too…one thing is still common is how mass enjoy watching the butchery/ savagery in the name preserving legacy. Gladiator movie made me realize that, long time back. Nothing has changed and we as a human haven’t learned much.

    History was always written by winners, that doesn’t mean one era was more golden than others. There are/were bad apples in every race and time. Telling me all whites are saints and all browns are yogis is a baloney :). In every race there will be opportunist, socialist, activist, conformist and evil.

    If you really want to live in peace (again subjective and relative), may be hop on to Mars train Elon Musk is building…but again you will face other problem :). Also there is no single race going to mars, so please hop on and find your own island there too. Good luck!

    • Agree: RobinG
  83. likbez says:

    Who poisoned the hapless idiot Russian double agent and his daughter? In general, some part of the British secret service, which includes the CIA and the Mossad and the Saudi General Intelligence Presidency.

    IMHO British secret service is a slightly less likely candidate, as Scripal was exchanged and his murder would undermine this process.

    It might well be a two stage operation: the first part was an accident, or done by one of Scripal business contacts, or some foreign intelligence service.

    After that this opportunity was used to launch a false flag operation against Russia by British security services in which the nerve gas traces were planted and the witch hunt unleashed.

    If we assume that Litvinenko was poisoned by Mario Scaramella or that he was involved in smuggling of plutonium, digested too much Prussian blue as an antidote and caused himself a fatal peritonitis, this is the same scheme — use an accident as the base of a false flag operation against Russia.

  84. skrik says:
    @El Dato

    9/11 was less important than the Anthrax show thereafter


    IIRC, the Anthrax show was seen [from my viewpoint = external], as akin to sending out a sheep-dog to shepherd the outliers = oppress any ‘casual dissidents’ = get everybody onto the same page = GWoT, 1st step = invade Afghanistan = rearrange some sand. The latter more than a bit puzzling, since Afghanistan was not the likeliest place to want to go, to punish any alleged hijackers. To add ‘interest,’ it was fairly quickly revealed that the Anthrax was a ‘domestic’ strain = US-produced. Then they hounded Ivins to death, but that was *much* later. At the time = 2001, there was almost no ‘9/11 inside-job’ discussion – except for the Anthrax. A different puzzling. What did I miss? rgds

    • Replies: @El Dato
  85. tjm says:

    There are many levels of subterfuge in America today, the enemy has so many tools at its disposal to fool US, trick US, and manipulate US.

    But it is scary indeed to think that a fat Zionist turd, from Jew York City, could be re-branded and sold to the American people as a “American firster”.

    I mean they perfected their manipulation skills with Obama, painting him as a “peace President, and Constitutional guardian”, he was neither, but don’t think many Dems know it, and even if you did, you would NEVER hear a word of decent on boob tube.

    Now we have Chump, a pompous Zionist prick, who has hired illegals all his life, but now we are to believe he is anti open borders. Chump is another Bill Clinton, an actor, a man who VERY LIKELY sold his soul to the devil for fame and fortune. Again, while many true conservatives question Trump’s actions, as nothing other than another Zionist puppet, you will never hear such decent on the Zionist media. No, the Zio-Media will only play the republican vs dem narrative, meant to keep this facade alive.

    As soon as someone pushes the “media is out to get Chump” BS, they are over for me, just another liar, working to spread Zionist disinformation.

  86. @Ronald Blake

    Grenfell tower, May did nothing, the British government at first did nothing.
    The British queen showed her concern, if I remember correctly.
    The Muslim sex scandal, my impression is that the British government is very afraid of doing anything that might be seen as racist.
    A hundred French intellectuals, from right and left, just now raised their voices against what they call Islamic totalitarianism.

  87. @jilles dykstra

    A little off topic, but your mention of Jack Tar reminded me of the unofficial traditions of the Royal Navy: Rum, Sodomy, and the Lash.

    The Pogues used that as the title for one of their albums.

  88. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Chechen rebel leaders have been assassinated, such as Edelgireyev in Turkey, and others.

  89. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi S2C,

    Merely for employing (paraphrased) lines by poet W.H. Auden as prologue to his review, I instantly respected the mind & spirit of Thomas Dunkuson.

    W.H. Auden’s poetry does not fit into our country’s favored “Zionist Socialism In Art.” And if nothing else, S2C, I am hoping some U.R. commenters might read (at minimum) the lines from “September 1939” and, to a degree, momentarily break free of “All the (Russiagate) Zio news that’s fit to print.”

    Like Columbo, “I have one more thing.” *

    How can our population get so “hooked” on the findings of Mueller’s present work while knowing he was F.B.I. Director during the 9/11 event’s stilted investigation and intentional misfindings?

    Onward (finally) to P. Giraldi’s article topic: Having much more deceptive-charisma, & given a choice, I’d rather be suckered on Russiagate-U.K. by Zionist ex-P.M.Tony Blair rather than dull Zionist P.M. May.

    Thank you very much for all your work, S2C.

    * The late-Peter Falk, Jewish, made for a great Italian-American detective, “Columbo.”

  90. @El Dato

    I make the point about being short-lived so that the attacking side can reuse the airfield. Sorry if I wasn’t crystal clear. I am repeating a suggested chemical weapons spec I read literally decades ago, probably in the New Scientist.

  91. El Dato says:

    Without the Anthrax (which, was not “weaponised” btw), there would not have been a case for Iraq war and Powell showing vials at the UN nor the Patriot Act and assorted other totalitarian retardations. One could have looked into the Saudis-finagled-it angle, into the Israel-knew-about-it angle, into the FBI dropped the ball-years-before angle , into too-convenient-for-PNACistas-angle, into-we-found-the-passports-but-we-didnt-find-the-flight-recorders angle. And maybe Shrubby wouldn’t even have been re-elected. Before Anthrax, it was just “an attack on the WTC” – there had been one of those via the parking garage a couple of years earlier btw, by the same team. But after Anthrax, hysteria took hold. And everyone was taking Cipro.

    This timeline alleges that people were even taking Cipro before 9/11 (don’t take antibiotica until you absolutely, totally, must, idiots – maybe they look too much at Dark Winter:

    • Replies: @skrik
  92. @El Dato

    The formulae for 5 Novichoks have been published.

  93. @El Dato

    Different grouping but a botched effort to make it look like suicide.

  94. @annamaria

    I am unclear what is being corrected here. I do acknowledge that Jews, most Jews have a sense of destiny linked to their faith. Few accept that the destiny they were called to was to be the light of God, not a people bestowed with honor by their own accord.

    I don’t think for a minute that Israel is under any real threat. Though I suspect that Russian realignment with Syria has bible scholars all a buzz — in my view very pre–mature. When that time arrives, if I recall scripture says Israel will be alone — and in my view as long as their is a US Israel will not be alone. Again that does not mean that this Pres or anyone else should be treating Israel as an innocent in Palestine or the region. In more ways than one she has fomented her own problems.

    Unfortunately, paranoia invades a lot policy these days.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  95. unseated says:
    @Mark James

    The plausibility of the doping charges disappeared when, at a time when Russian athletes were under extreme scrutiny in the Winter Olympics, they were accused of doping in the curling and bobsleigh events. At that point credibility of the charges flew out of the window.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  96. What happens if/when proof is found (& divulged) that Russia murdered a spy in Britain?

    Trusting & awed Brit citizens will demand Russia to be brought to justice.

    How will P.M. May respond?

    Knowing the huge gap existing between the U.K. and Russian ability to project military power, she would turn to ZUS President Trump and inquire, “What do I do now?”

    Having been “put on the spot” by his Zionist Controllers, President Trump in response might reply, “Well, Tess, let’s see how we can push the Russian bear further back into it’s den!”

    P.M. May goes to Parliament and tells them to “be patient” with a response to Putin’s poisoning despite Britain’s having sufficient data to go to war against Russia.

    As expected, Jeremy Cornyn responds and insists to Brits that he still smells a rat, much like the one that misled the jolly country about absent Iraq WMD’s.

    Awed Brit citizens, what to think?

    If they believe Corbyn, they run afoul of the U.K.’s Jewish Conservative Lobby’s will. A minority wants such a fate.

    If citizens are patient and capable of waiting for Russia’s punishment, they abide by May’ s judgement and say, “We came fancy far with Tessie, and little now to do but take her advice.”

    What to do when ZUS President Trump meets with Putin to talk about “arms control” and puts the “barbaric” spy poisoning aside.

    Proud British citizens droop at the BBC news, and intelligently remind themselves about their actual vassal status to ZUS.

    And it’s onward to hosting a New York Yankee M.L.B. game in London!

    • Replies: @ValmMond
    , @annamaria
  97. KA says:

    Plan B was conjured by Cheney in 70 s agonat the Soviet
    The logic was based on the premise that CIA had poor information on Soviet capacity and Soviet was way ahead of America . To catch up , US needs to do more ( AKA spend more)

    It was self prescribed ‘ Novichock’

  98. @Jake

    Oh, it’s always a joint effort. Like 9/11 and similar false-flags (including recent school shootings like the ones in Las Vegas and Florida) Mossad agents (for hefty fees) do the dirty work with the host country running disinformation and cover-up stories. One of the major pluses of the arrangement is that Mossad agents (with no identification in case they’re killed or caught) can be flown into and out a country without anyone, other than CIA, MI agents, and their handlers knowing anything about it.

  99. @unseated

    unseated (& off base) wrote: “At that point credibility of the charges flew out of the window.”

    Same as the hapless situation of ZUS citizens, the real Enemy of Brit citizens is ziOlympian WITHIN.

  100. Karl says:
    @John Kirby

    5 John Kirby > The two great hate figures for Israel are Russia and Iran

    the Nationalist Camp of Israel experiences fewer – WAY fewer – headaches from the Russians, than it does from liberal American Jews. Every time he turns around, Netanyahu has to interrupt his cigars-&-wine-with-fake-blond-wife, to go deal with a crisis caused by American-Jew lesbians who want to publicly wear male prayer garments at the Kotel, thus throwing the ultra-Orthodox voting bloc – who by themselves already WERE a nuisance -into another Coalition Crisis.

    the Joe Sixpacks – politically-apathetic middle classes of Israel – the “sakh’im” – experience fewer headaches from the Russians, than they do from the Israeli ultra-Orthodox.

    do you know WHY Netanyahu had to promote Leiberman all the way to the top (Defense Minister) ?

    It’s because Lieberman’s Russian-speaking voting base is so powerful.

    We get along great with the Russia. At this moment, it’s easier for an average Israeli middle-class guy to get a visa into Russia, than it is to get a visa into the USA.

    I congratulate the Americans for cracking down on Israelis working off-the-books in America. It is widespread.

  101. Ben_C says:

    Why would Russia use chemical weapons to poison someone in a cafe? Wouldn’t hemlock or another form of poison accomplish the same thing with less risk if the Kremlin was trying to kill this guy with a drink? What about a bullet to the head?

    What about a few blows to the head with a baseball bat? Wouldn’t that be easier?

    Is this just another WMD narrative by some to go down another rabbit hole to hell?

    I guess we shall see…

  102. Who was responsible? Israeli Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS) AKA Mossad on behalf of the Anglo Zionist Alliance (AZA), who have previous; most notably 9/11. Russia’s money may have bought associate membership, but its alliance with Iran and their ascendancy in Syria – with the attendant threat to Israel – required a realignment in the relationship.

    The real fun begins when Putin discovers his backbone.

  103. @EliiteCommInc.

    EliteComminc opined: “When that time arrives, if I recall scripture says Israel will be alone…”

    Surely scripture meant “alone” with the Samson Option?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  104. @skrik

    Talking about parallels with “9/11” , and therefore about false-flags, “special” numbers, “special” people, and their “special” habits:

    When an event is ”signed” , and this one (as any false-flag at least in the last 200 years) is, then each and every detail in it matters, because it MUST be digitally aligned with the rest of the case. So if the choice of the nerve agent “Novichok” , impeccably fitting the digital code of this event, can be ascribed to many, the choice of detective sergeant Nick Bailey, as a third victim, can’t be neither accidental (due to the same conspicuous alignment with the rest of the case) nor a possible choice for many.

    Which, at very least, means that pushing “Russia did it” serves nothing , except making Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot, Father Brown, … , and eventually even Inspector Clouseau to turn in their graves.

  105. @tjm

    ” […] The so called “attacks on Trump”, are simply meant to drive the right to support him, precisely the way the “attacks on Obama”, drove the left to ignore Obama’s neocon ways, and defend him. […]”

    Exactly. Orange Clown’s whole campaign was a calculated “bait and switch” scam from the beginning, IMO.

    I believe that Orange Clown is a “deep cover” or “sleeper” agent that’s been groomed and “waiting in the wings” for his masters’ beck and call. And the call came at the end of the Obama administration, with the agenda not only stalled but exposed like never before; with Russia and China rising; and the U.S. falling behind. As I see it, the political ascendancy of Orange Clown is a sign of his masters’ increasing desperation.

    I believe that Orange Clown’s mission – as puppet president of last resort – is to present (apparently by way of a series of reckless provocations) ultimata to Russia and China: “either cede your sovereignty to the empire and start taking orders, or it’s war” or something like that.

    And I believe the relocation of the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem was intended to show the world (in case there’s any doubt) just who it is that’s calling the shots here and running everything in the U.S. (IOW they’re taking off the mask as they demand surrender).

    Some people woke up when Orange Clown attacked the Syrian airbase with cruise missiles, but unfortunately it seems there are still many people who absolutely refuse to accept that Orange Clown is a fraud, no matter what he does (or fails to do). Paul Craig Roberts is an example of someone who should know better, but who continues to imply that Orange Clown is just a helpless “babe in the woods”; a nice guy in a bad situation.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  106. ValmMond says:

    It’s all a prelude to a massive attack on Syria, 2003 Iraq invasion style.
    A carefully crafted prequel to the false-flag chemical attack they are preparing in Syria.
    Assad will be framed, before pictures of “gazed-children-and-women” get through the full CNN news cycle. A “coalition of the willing” will declare that a dictator gazing his own people, supported by another dictator gazing his own people have crossed the “red line”. Then bombs and missiles will fly, before at least, a partial ground invasion. Israel doesn’t want all Syrian territory. Just the lands West of Euphrates. I suppose that’s the script. So far, the information diversion is going rather well for ZUK.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @CanSpeccy
  107. @Anon

    In my opinion, the tension with Russia is largely driven by ancient Jewish hostility to Slavs. Under Putin, Christianity and nationalism are reviving and political correctness is being resisted. Jews want to see the political correctness of the EU, with its aggressive secularism, Holocaust Denier laws and sexual radicalism, spread into the Slavic world, where, among other things, it will prevent the rise of anti-Semitism. They were happy with Communist rule over the Slavs and energetically pushed for détente during the Cold War, the opposite of the current attitude. There are also business interests that stand to benefit from a weak Russia, and the foreign policy establishment benefits from global hostilities, but I can’t imagine the current ramping up of hostility if Jews were not beating the drums. I wish someone would call them on it, but I know that will never happen.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  108. annamaria says:

    Th willful ignoramuses and prostitutes, like Jonathan Freedland and the Financial Times, cannot wait to get on the warmongers’ bandwagon:
    “It is ridiculous to say – as Jonathan Freedland and the Financial Times are in effect saying – that due process should be disapplied simply because they believe the defendant in this case – ie. Russia – is lying and is never going to admit its guilt. …
    Stripped of their bogus arguments, what Jonathan Freedland and the Financial Times are saying is that when Russia is accused of something it has no right to defend itself.”
    — Wouldn’t it be great to waterboard Jonathan Freedland and the “leadership” of the Financial Times? (John Ridding, CEO andLionel Barber, Editor). This treasonous scum is ready to destroy western civilization for the “chosen” dream of Eretz Israel. No doubt Jonathan Freedland approves torture and he certainly needs to experience this sweet medicine in person.
    “This whole Antisemitism Crisis has been invented by New Labour’s powerful allies like Jonathan Freedland. … Corbyn is the prime target of the Blair Neo-Liberals.”
    — The Friends of Israel would not tolerate any patriotism that is not based on loyalty to Israel. Only the scoundrels like Theresa May, Gavin Williamson, Claire Perry, and Boris Johnson — who proclaim their allegiance to Zionism — are allowed to be in the UK government. Corbyn is an honest and principled man devoted to the UK; this is why he is attacked by the scum like Jonathan Freedland, Theresa May, Claire Perry, Boris Johnson and other moral midgets servicing exclusively the Friends of Israel.

  109. @ChuckOrloski


    that option is nonunique. I assume more than one state has considered what the would happen should they find themselves alone against multiple enemies —

    We haven’t abandoned first strike anymore than Russia or China.

    And for the moment Israel is not at threat nor is she alone. Alone regardless of any options.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  110. CalDre says:

    The Beltway needs a large meteorite to hit it, while nobody “important” is on vacation. That’s the only hope of cleaning out that viper’s nest. And even that won’t work if you don’t clean out the oligarchic filth and their henchmen scattered throughout the globe.

    No, unfortunately it will take a large revolution to cleanse the wicked filth out of the halls of power.

  111. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Dear Mr Giraldi

    Don’t be too distressed by not having leapt with Kiza’s experience, expertise and enthusiasm from the word go to the certainty that the British government was engaged in “frantic lying”; though maybe you only need a truly depressing career in market resrarch to bestow such certainties and such a dismal outlook.

    I congratulate you in not ruling out as unthinkable the tabloids’ favored explanation that it was designed to make future potential traitors worry about a deferred death penalty. We simply don’t know enough and that is at least a rational explanation if not one you would regard as probable or reasonable.

    BTW aren’t there lots of facts known with high probability about MH 17? Is there any substantial reason to doubt that the most probable explanation was an accidental shooting down of the airliner by a crew, which may or may not have been mostly Russisn “volunteers”, by a Buk missile from rebel territory which was supposed to bring down a Ukrainian military aircraft which may or may not have been in the area at the time?

    I would accept that we, the general public, have much less to go on in the Skripal case.

  112. In my opinion the word antisemitism just means criticism of jews.
    Alas the word has got the meaning of irrational hatred.

    • Replies: @Anon
  113. geokat62 says:

    Say it isn’t so:

    Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel

    But this is where Clark pushes far across the normative “military-to-military partnership” characteristic of joint drills with other allied nations. He says that US troops should be prepared to die for the Jewish State:

    “As far as decision-making, it is a partnership,” he continued, stressing nonetheless that “at the end of the day it is about the protection of Israel – and if there is a question in regards to how we will operate, the last vote will probably go to Zvika [Brig.-Gen. Zvika Haimovitch, head of the IDF’s Aerial Defense Division].”

    Washington and Israel have signed an agreement which would see the US come to assist Israel with missile defense in times of war and, according to [Israeli commander] Haimovitch, “I am sure once the order comes we will find here US troops on the ground to be part of our deployment team to defend the State of Israel.”

    And those US troops who would be deployed to Israel, are prepared to die for the Jewish state, Clark said.”We are ready to commit to the defense of Israel anytime we get involved in a kinetic fight there is always the risk that there will be casualties. But we accept that – as every conflict we train for and enter, there is always that possibility,” he said.

  114. annamaria wrote: “Corbyn is an honest and principled man devoted to the UK; this is why he is attacked by the scum like Jonathan Freedland, Theresa May, Claire Perry, Boris Johnson and other moral midgets servicing exclusively the Friends of Israel.”

    Hi annamaria,

    I regret that the closest ZUS political leader comparable to Jeremy Cornyn is (perhaps) Senator Rand Paul (R./Ky) whose attempts to ingratiate himself with (“moral midget”) Jewish Lobbies presently sputter.

    Thanks very much for your sharing of knowledge, always with a noble moral component.

  115. joeG says:

    Isn’t there a pattern here? Syria is blamed for using chemical agents, now Russia. Good old perfidious Albion. If the Brits had the evidence they would have already presented it. The fact that it is they who are hindering the investigation tells us this is another false flag operation. And it’s no coincidence that it happened just before the Russian elections and before Russia hosts the World Cup.

    Perhaps there is even a bit of envy here from Theresa May, a complete failure, who is on her way out, and from fools like that dead man walking, John McCain, who was rejected by the American electorate. How angry he must be must that Johnnie boy was rejected while a real leader, Vladmir Putin, was approved for another six years by eighty-percent of Russian voters.

    Fact is they will all be gone ( McCain will be truly gone) and Putin and Assad will still be around.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  116. @annamaria

    Jonathan Freedland works for the Guardian which is going down faster than Priti Patel on a first date. I would suspect he’ll be looking for another lying media sewage outlet soon. What a shame people still indulge this sort of nonsense.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  117. @EliteCommInc.

    Israel is not a threat? Name one nation that spies and interferes more in the affairs of the US than “the only democracy in the ME”? Hot diggety, you write some crap here!

  118. @Anonymous

    Ukrainian planes were not attacking the Donbass from high altitudes so there would have been no valid reason for them to use a high altitude weapon like the Buk. The (then) Australian Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, denounced Russia for the downing of MH17 almost immediately and a sure indicator of a false flag event is the rush to judgement by politicians and media, which is what we had.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  119. I was glad that without moving left I could find this in my emails from National Review by its former editor (also in an extraordinary CV Margaret Thatcher’s speechwriter) John O’Sullivan.

    The comprehensiveness of its coverage and nuanced commentary leaves everything above for dead.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  120. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Doesn’t it at least connote wishing them harm? True, many partisans will treat almost any criticism of Jews or Israel as evidence of anti-semitism.

  121. Didi says:

    As reported elsewhere the British government has asked the OPCW to investigate. The OPCW expects that their work may take at least three weeks. Meanwhile one cannot point at Russia nor can one point away from Russia. Even the outcome of the OPCW investigation could be inconclusive.

  122. annamaria says:

    Friedland is a face of the Guardian:
    Comment section: “Freedland is, in simple terms, a serial liar, representative of a culture which is founded on lies and falsehoods, such as economic theory, whose obvious fallacies are ignored. And each lie is a paving stone on the road to barbarism.”
    There is another big-mouth presstitute showing up on the Guardian, Mark Rice-Oxley, a profiteering idiot who produced this “righteous” drivel infused with verbose flourishes:
    “Oh, Russia! Even before we point fingers over poison and speculate about secret agents and spy swaps and pub food in Salisbury, one thing has become clear: Russia appears lost, a global menace, a moral vacuum, a far greater threat than it ever was during the cold war.”
    — Sounds pretty good for the Onion.
    There is also a midget-man by the name Mark Galeotti, who is well-known for his unquestionable servility to ziocon causes:
    The rotten Guardian “denied a platform to Vanessa Beeley and Eva Bartlett” — the courageous journalists with personal experience of the ongoing situation in Syria — but it promotes the mouthpieces for al Nusra and ISIS in Syria:
    — Anything to please the Friends of Israel in the UK. Hard to believe that the Guardian used to be a decent outlet.
    “The Israel lobby in the United Kingdom (also called the Zionist lobby) is the diverse coalition of those who, as individuals and as groups, seek to influence the foreign policy of the United Kingdom to strengthen bilateral ties with Israel, or in support of Zionism, Israel, or the specific policies of its government. The major British political parties include “Friends of Israel” groups which support the State of Israel.”
    — They are the committed murderers using fanatical Islamists in the Middle East and neo-Nais in Ukraine to ensure the victory of Eretz Israel. This victory will cause the fall of Western civilization (Zionism is incompatible with Western civilization) and, perhaps, the annihilation of humankind. Way to go, Friends of Israel.

    • Replies: @Kolo
    , @jilles dykstra
  123. @geokat62

    Hi geokat,

    At least turncoat General Clark is levelling with dumb goyim Americans.

    Recall Phil Giraldi’s article on the Zionization of the U.S. military? He wasn’t just “whistling Lobby Dixie.”

    Thank you.

  124. RobinG says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    “The Baltics?” You’re really dribbling down your leg with that one, Wizzer.

    • LOL: CanSpeccy
  125. @NoseytheDuke

    I think you might want to actually read what I wrote.

  126. @NoseytheDuke

    I think you might want to actually read what I wrote.

  127. You might respond to what I wrote as opposed to what you imagined or hoped I had written.

  128. @ValmMond

    ValmMond wrote: “Israel doesn’t want all Syrian territory. Just the lands West of Euphrates. I suppose that’s the script.”

    Hi ValmMond,

    Above, I am assuming this is the reality that ZUS President Trump will be soon REITERATING to the very smart geopolitical-minded President Putin.

    However, both presidents know for a fact that Israel’s hostility to even a shrunken Syria, governed by Assad & allied with Iran, will remain & intensify.

    Shamefully, USrael President Trump is now obligated to deliver a mafia-style offer to Russia which they figure Vladimir Putin would be foolish “to refuse.”

    As a concession, I suppose ZUS will also make an offer to permit a downsized Russian military operations in shrunk Syria as long as they’re present as “peacemakers” and unaligned with Hezbollah and Iranian ne’er do wells.

    Greatest question for mankind now is how President Putin responds to Trump’s Zio advantaged “script.”

    Thank you.

  129. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    This might have been logical if it weren’t for finger pointing that started even before the MH17 debris cooled down. Immediate accusations of Russia could have only come from the perpetrators. No investigation was necessary: they knew beforehand the designated “guilty” party. Immediate finger pointing is always a sure sign of false flag. The accusers are always the perpetrators, back then and now.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  130. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Let’s avoid exaggerations. Putin was supported by 51% of eligible voters (76.6% out of 67.4% who participated). Sure, this is much more than Trump (26% of eligible voters) or Merkel‘s party (25% of eligible voters), but it is not 80%.

  131. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    It’s all a prelude to a massive attack on Syria, 2003 Iraq invasion style.

    So Tierry Meyssan argues in some detail, linking the Salisbury charade with Tillerson’s firing.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @annamaria
  132. skrik says:
    @El Dato


    Yes, I do recall Cipro, and one may suppose that the targets were not just ‘straying sheep’ but those who had most annoyed the self-anointed ‘masters of the Universe:’

    Robert Stevens, the first person who died from the mailings, worked at the Sun tabloid, also published by AMI, died on October 5, 2001, four days after entering a Florida hospital with an undiagnosed illness that caused him to vomit and be short of breath


    What one may well term ‘a lingering death,’ far more effective [in causing terror] than any bomb or bullet? rgds

  133. Kolo says:

    The guy is a moron

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  134. @geokat62

    Hi geo,

    Should have linked Mr. Giraldi’s very knowledgeable article on the very REAL Zionization of the U.S. military. Actually, such can not be any other way than it is, refer below.

    Of course dumb goyim Americans should not expect getting anything other than what they now get, a Zionized “Russiagate” theater with very evil intentions.

    Thanks, geo.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  135. @Kolo

    That’s as astute as the response to my comment — which is a response to something I did not say.

    Try reading it —

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  136. JOhnnyDOH says:

    Christopher Steel used Skripal as a “source” for the Clinton Dossier on trump. Skripal was about to go public that Steel made shit up and attributed it to him.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  137. @jack daniels

    “In my opinion, the tension with Russia is largely driven by ancient Jewish hostility to Slavs. […]”

    From my point of view, there is no satisfactory “worldly” explanation for jewish hatred of Russia, so I resort to an explanation rooted in the spiritual realm.

    I know some people would vehemently disagree with me for characterizing it this way, yet it is really just a straightforward generalization – extrapolated from the various common situations that most people encounter at some point in their lives.

    On a small scale, the group of lazy, dishonest office workers hate the worker who tries to give the boss an honest day’s work for an honest day’s pay, because he or she makes them all look look bad. And the students who didn’t study for the test, and received a “D” or an “F” grade, cannot stand the person who studied hard and got an “A”, thus proving that it wasn’t the teacher’s fault but their own fault.

    Put simply, you could state this discoverable spiritual axiom: “evil hates a good example”. In other words, evil hates good, because good makes evil look bad by comparison.

    On June 22, 1944, Edgar Cayce, the so-called “sleeping prophet”, said (while in a trance-like state):

    “In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom! that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world.”

    IMO Edgar Cayce’s prophecy seems to be coming true: A resurgent Russia, a powerful Christian nation undergoing a spiritual revival, is trying to put out the fires that the Satanic cult and its evil empire have started, and in so doing, is making the evil look really bad. The more evil the evil does, the worse it looks in front of the world.

    The situation reminds me of this:

  138. annamaria says:

    Most likely, this is due to an advanced age… Leave him alone.

  139. Hi Mr. Phil Giraldi,

    Suppose all is cool for Netanyahu to speak with Pompeo but not Vladimir Putin. Please refer to the article, below, and perhaps offer a comment?

    Thank you very much!

  140. @ChuckOrloski

    toot toot

    Andrew Bacevich confessed to NYTimes that he didn’t what name to attach to current US military activity in Middle East.

    S2C suggested he call it what it is: Jewish Zionist Wars.

    Bacevich suggested that NYTimes give the unnamed wars front-page coverage by way of a running tally of the costs to US taxpayers — \$7 trillion and counting.

    S2C suggested making that tally more meaningful: US taxpayers have spent \$7 trillion on Jewish Zionist wars; with a population of 6.5 million Jews in Israel, that tallies to over
    One million US taxpayer dollars per Jew in Israel.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  141. @JOhnnyDOH

    Voltairenet added a new twist to the whole affair: (h/t SicSemperTyrannis )

    The British government and certain of its allies, including US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, have attempted to launch a Cold War against Russia.

    Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at the same time a chemical attack against the « moderate rebels » in the Ghouta. The conspirators’ intention was to profit from the efforts of Syria to liberate the suburbs of its capital city and the disorganisation of Russia on the occasion of its Presidential election. Had these manipulations worked, the United Kingdom would have pushed the USA to bomb Damascus, including the Presidential palace, and demand that the United Nations General Assembly exclude Russia from the Security Council.

    However, the Syrian and Russian Intelligence Services got wind of what was being plotted. They realised that the US agents in the Ghouta who were preparing an attack against the Ghouta were not working for the Pentagon, but for another US agency.

    ta dum

    ta dum

    ta dum

    Bypassing the official diplomatic channels, Russian Chief of Staff General Valeri Guerassimov contacted his US counterpart General Joseph Dunford to inform him of his fear of a false flag chemical attack in Ghouta. Dunford took this information vey seriously, and alerted US Defense Secretary General Jim Mattis, who referred the matter to President Donald Trump. In view of the Russian insistence that this piece of foul play was being prepared without the knowledge of the Pentagon, the White House asked the Director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, to identify those responsible for the conspiracy.

    We do not know the result of this internal enquiry, but President Trump acquired the conviction that his Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, was implicated. The Secretary of State was immediately asked to interrupt his official journey in Africa and return to Washington.

    regarding that “other US agency” —

    A few days ago Jeffrey Edmonds, a scholar from The Wilson Center, appeared on C Span to discuss Russian interference in elections as well as the Skirbal affair.

    (UR readers should be aware that C Span is the means by which the Borg normalizes its nefarious plots and trains the Public to acquiesce to them, and the Wilson Center is one of the Borg’s taxpayer-funded hives:
    Jane Harman, Director, President and CEO
    Aaron David Miller, Middle East Program
    Board of Trustees: [among others] Rex W. Tillerson, Secretary, U.S. Department of State)

    Edmonds emphasized that Russia is a US adversary “because Russia does not wish to comply with the International Order.”

    But the most interesting thing Edmonds said came at the end of the interview, when moderator Steve Scully asked, “What worries you most?”

    Edmonds responded,

    “As we’re stumbling around in places like Syria, the Russians are pushing back on our ships in international waters. My worries are an accidental interaction between their ships and our ships. My worry is something could slip sideways and you can have some kind of military conflict over an accident.”

    iow, be prepared for a false flag attack involving Russia and Syria.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @annamaria
  142. annamaria says:

    “Both May and Johnson should resign for misleading parliament.” In memory of David Christopher Kelly, CMG (14 May 1944 – 17 July 2003)
    “If Craig Murray is accurate in his reporting, what Porton Down is saying under pressure is that the agent was “of a type developed by Russia.” Porton Down does not make the claim that the Skripals were poisoned by a military grade nerve agent. Porton Down is making the claim that they were poisoned by a type of organophosphate of the type the Russian’s were attempting to recreate as a binary nerve agent. There is a significant difference.
    Porton Down is known to contain a sophisticated treatment center capable of treating persons poisoned by a military grade nerve agent. If in fact the Skripals and Detective Bailey had been poisoned by a military grade nerve agent they would have been relocated to Porton Down for treatment. That they remain under treatment in Salisbury Hospital is evidence that they were not poisoned by a military grade nerve agent as alleged by Theresa May and Boris Johnson. … with a military grade nerve agent “a drop on your skin is enough to rapidly disable you and, if an antidote isn’t rapidly administered, kill you in very short order.”
    — Both May and Johnson are scoundrels and embarrassment for the UK (but they are celebrated by the Friends of Israel in the UK and by Israelis in the “promised land”)
    “May, according to former ambassador to London Daniel Taub, “has been a long-standing friend of Israel and the Jewish community.”
    Johnson vows to “build the strongest ever relationship between the UK and Israel and celebrate the UK’s Jewish community:”
    “As James Sorene, chief executive of the British Israel Communications and Research Center think tank, argued, the success of Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit can best be measured by Theresa May’s words at the Balfour Centenary dinner. “This speech was full of pride and support for Israel and an intention to expand the bilateral relationship at every level with zero tolerance of boycotts,” he said. “Even though the visit was commemorating the history of Balfour’s great promise, the British government is clearly looking ahead to a stronger, deeper relationship far into the future.” Typically, May’s Foreign Secretary, the staunchly pro-Israel Boris Johnson, used even more exuberant language than his boss when he addressed a parliamentary reception earlier in the week staged by the Board of Deputies of British Jews.”

    • Replies: @Z-man
  143. annamaria says:

    The ziocons want Syria, by any means:
    “There are warships deployed by US Navy in the Red Sea, the Mediterranean, and the Persian Gulf. They are ready to launch roughly 400 long-range Tomahawks against a target in the Middle East on any given day. Sea-launched cruise missiles were used to strike Syria in April. Anything that is at all related to the military operations on the island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean is hush-hush information, but it’s an open secret that the strategic bombers based there can launch at least a hundred cruise missiles and then use other high-precision munitions in a follow-up attack. On average, one bomber carries 20 AGM-86 ALCMs. Five bombers are believed to be normally stationed on this island that is off-limits to inquisitive outsiders. This means that at least 500 cruise missiles can be fired on short notice.
    On March 17, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov declared that Great Britain, France, and some additional countries besides the US had special forces operating in Syria that were engaging the Syrian Army directly. But it’s not just commandos. It was reported on March 16 that the UK would be stationing a significant number of troops at the US-controlled Al-Tanf military base, adjacent to the Iraqi border. This facility is prominently eatured in NATO’s war planning in Syria. It blocks the corridor linking Iran to Lebanon via Syria and Iraq. The size of the deployment — about 2,300 troops accompanied by tanks and helicopters — is too significant just to be intended to fight Islamic State militants who are already on the run. Before that, the US had already sent 600 troops with armored vehicles to the base. And American reinforcements have also been sent to the Omar oil field.”
    The US has been cooperating with Al Qaeda/ISIS to please the ziocon masters.
    “Declassified Documents: Obama Ordered CIA To Train ISIS:”

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  144. annamaria says:

    “America’s Deceitful Secret Support of Al Qaeda,” by Eric Zuesse:
    — The war on terror has been a sham to enrich military contractors/weapon-manufacturers and to initiate the Oded Yinon plan for Eretz Israel.
    Where has the US Jewish Community been? Waiting for the accusations of a genocide against the Middle Eastern nations? The Lobby speaks for the US Jews. Time for the Jewish Communities to wake up.

  145. @annamaria

    thanks annamaria

    top notch information

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  146. RobinG says:

    S2, I have to disagree with you on this:

    “….C Span is the means by which the Borg normalizes its nefarious plots and trains the Public to acquiesce to them….”

    It’s NPR doing the Borg-prop, now full court press on Trump-hate and Russiagate, including the Skrewball Affair. [Was “Skirbal” intentional misspelling of Skripal? lol.]

    Not enough of “the Public” listens to C-SPAN for them to normalize anything. Plus, for anyone listening critically, their long interviews especially reveal the dark hearts of Deep State players.

  147. @annamaria

    Only the scoundrels like Theresa May, Gavin Williamson, Claire Perry, and Boris Johnson — who proclaim their allegiance to Zionism — are allowed to be in the UK government

    British Secretary for Defence, the young Gavin Williamson, declared that after the expulsion of its diplomats, Russia should « shut up and go away » (sic). This is the first time since the end of the Second World War that a representative of a permanent member state of the Security Council has employed such a vocabulary in the face of another member of the Council. Sergueï Lavrov commented – « He’s a charming young man. He must want to ensure his place in History, by making shock declarations […] Perhaps he lacks education ».

    That’s not the first time Gavin Williamson has failed to control his mouth; he has #MeToo problem:

    2004 office romance
    In January 2018, it became known that Williamson, while he was managing director of fireplace firm Elgin & Hall in 2004, had an office romance. To save his marriage, he has said he left the firm. According to Williamson, it became “flirtatious and a couple of times we shared a kiss“, but it “never went further”, Williamson told the Daily Mail. “My family means everything to me and I almost threw it away”, Williamson said. “This incident nearly destroyed two marriages”. The Sunday Telegraph reported that a senior co-worker stated that the woman involved was in tears when reporting the incident at work and that Williamson was subsequently the subject of a meeting with managers.

    • Replies: @chris
  148. Saudi Aramco expected to list first on Saudi stock exchange, delaying international debut

    -Saudi Arabia is walking back plans for a massive public share offering for state oil giant Aramco, the world’s biggest oil company, on a big international stock exchange.

    -Aramco is now expected to move forward with a listing on the Saudi stock exchange, with plans for an international listing at least temporarily shelved.

    -Aramco said a range of international listing options were still under consideration.

    Dow Jones is salivating, but o this has absolutely nothing to do with any US foreign policy actions . . .

  149. See also:
    “The Anti-Russia Show Must go on – Another Setup?!”:

    • Replies: @annamaria
  150. annamaria says:
    @Andreas Schlüter

    Who gave 40 tons of chemical weapons to the “moderate” jihadis? — The US, Israel, or the UK?
    “The Syrian Foreign Ministry pointed out that more than 40 tons of poisonous substances were found on the territories, liberated from terrorists..”
    — The context: “The alleged chemical attack in Khan Shaykhun in the Idlib Governorate took place on April 4, 2017, in an area controlled by Al-Nusra Front terrorist group. Up to 100 civilians were said to have been killed by sarin gas, released in an airstrike by Syrian government forces. Washington immediately rushed to blame Damascus for the attack and fired 59 Tomahawk cruise missiles at the Shayrat Airbase, claiming it was the very compound from which jets allegedly armed with the chemical took off. Syria, which was confirmed to have destroyed its sarin stockpiles under a deal brokered between Russia and the US in 2013, has denied the American accusations. Russia also pointed out that thorough impartial investigation of the incident never took place, with OPCW experts refusing to visit Khan Shaykhun. It has argued that the attack could have been staged.”
    — Some related info:
    “…the U.S. used chemical weapons against civilians in Iraq in 2004. Israeli used white phosphorous in 2009 during “Operation Cast Lead”
    “Israel initiated a chemical warfare program probably in the mid-1950s. Intelligence sources have suggested that Israel has previously developed, tested, produced, and possibly even deployed chemical weapon munitions. … Israel did not ratify the Chemical Weapon Convention.
    Israel has undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities. Israel is believed to have developed an offensive biological warfare capability.
    — By the UK standards, we can be sure that it was Israel that gave the 40 tons of poisonous substances to Al Qaeda/ISIS. That was a war crime. Another one by the “most moral.”

  151. Wally says:


    As if redneck Israelis would actually do any fighting.

    The Israeli ‘soldier’ is a mama’s boy not capable of anything other than killing defenseless civilians.

    No doubt they just stood around and watched.

  152. @Kolo

    You might want to upgrade that to mongoloid alert.

  153. William says:
    @John Kirby

    I agree that the most likely candidate for this attempted murder is the Mossad. But, unlike Teressa May, I freely admit that I have no evidence for Mossad’s guilt. None. What I say is my own personal opinion, freely expressed.

    The leader of what was once a great nation should be more courageous, certainly more circumspect,
    with her words. Such allegations without proof, even by a toothless bulldog turned U.S. poodle, are
    counter productive in the extreme.

  154. remo says: • Website

    Just double check the public suicide at London airport. ‘Correcting the Bandar Suicide report’ posted Mar 19, 2018 reports that video recorded at Atlanta Georgia airport on Feb 28th, first posted March 1st. Time stamped
    Bandar’s death officially reported reported his death 14th Feb
    whereas report it March 12th

  155. @SolontoCroesus

    SolontoCroesus did the math and informed: “One million US taxpayer dollars per Jew in Israel.”

    Hi S2C,

    More snow here in Scranton and schools dismissed classes early.

    Afterward, while relaxing with a Dunkin’ Donuts coffee, I happened to read your comment # 145.

    A fellow nearby looked at his lap top computer and voiced discontent, spoke aloud, “Damn them corporate number crunchers!”

    Noticed he wore a sharp (navy blue) “Liberty Mutual” fleece jacket and in frustration, he looked my way, & I politely spoke up, “Well sir, get this one. A friend of mine just ‘ran some numbers’ and let on to me that one million US taxpayer dollars are doled out per Jew in Israel.”

    “Look man, I don’t want to ever come off as nostalgic for Hitler, but his feelings & mine about liberty might be mutual today!”

    “Hopefully someday our fortunes will change, ‘America great again,’ eh?”

    “I know, I know…, one good Trump nuke bombing bombing that turns Arab deserts to glass and Israel will be cool, peaceful.”

    “Uh, so that’s the spirit of liberty!??”

    He nodded affirmatively, reached into shirt pocket, grinned, handed me a business card, and said, “Call me because I may have a plan that can help you.”

    “A Morgenthau plan?”

    “Call and we can compare with what you have, & work something out. Have a great night, see ‘ya around, man!”

    On way out, S2C, I sorta’ liked the guy but his business card fell into Dunkin’s trash can.

    Thanks for offering the costs tally.

  156. @RobinG

    Pot and kettle trouble – at best.

    Nowhere did I use or adopt the expression or the concept “The Baltics” and if you are blowing something up from some reference in John O’Sullivan’s longish article then you are demonstrating I fear not-so-much cognitve functions declining with age but long term absence. Even annamaria who’s a bit borderline could explain that to you. It seems you’ve found CanSpeccy in relaxed mode too. Let it be said that John O’Sullivan from his writings and CV (recently editing Australia’s leading conservative mag and also running a think tank in Budapest) is infinitely more worth reading than the purveyors of junk here. So someone wants to make a case that he has (apparently) said something they find risible? Let them make it – fairly and rigorously.

  157. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi annamaria,

    Thanks for helping to make my life as an Israeli occupied dumb goyim-American more bearable.

    One little matter? Speaking with sheer respect, it’s easier on my eyes when you make distinguishable (comment) paragraph breaks.

  158. annamaria says:

    Agree. The Meyssan’ article is excellent.
    Some excerpts:
    “The British government and certain of its allies, including US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, have attempted to launch a Cold War against Russia. Their plan was to fabricate an attack against an ex-double agent in Salisbury and at the same time a chemical attack against the « moderate rebels » in the Ghouta. … However, the Syrian and Russian Intelligence Services got wind of what was being plotted. They realised that the US agents in the Ghouta who were preparing an attack against the Ghouta were not working for the Pentagon, but for another US agency. Moscow had first of all tried to contact Washington via the diplomatic channels. But aware that the US ambassador, Jon Huntsman Jr, is the director of Caterpillar, the company which had supplied tunneling materials to the jihadists [“support the troops,” Mr. Huntsman?] so that they could build their fortifications, Moscow decided to bypass the usual diplomatic channels.
    The Syrian army seized two chemical weapons laboratories, the first on 12 March in Aftris, and the second on the following day in Chifonya. Meanwhile, Russian diplomats pushed the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) to get involved in the criminal investigation in Salisbury. …
    The Russian Intelligence Services handed out documents from the US staff. They showed that the Pentagon was ready to bomb the Presidential palace and the Syrian Ministries, on the model of what it had done during the taking of Baghdad (3 to 12 April 2003)…
    Bypassing the official diplomatic channels, Russian Chief of Staff General Valeri Guerassimov contacted his US counterpart General Joseph Dunford to inform him of his fear of a false flag chemical attack in Ghouta. Dunford took this information very seriously and alerted US Defense Secretary General Jim Mattis, who referred the matter to President Donald Trump. In view of the Russian insistence that this piece of foul play was being prepared without the knowledge of the Pentagon, the White House asked the Director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, to identify those responsible for the conspiracy….
    “The UK chargé d’affaire Jonathan Allen represented his country. He is an agent of MI6 who created the British War Propaganda Service and gives active support to the jihadists in Syria. He declared – « Russia has already interfered in the affairs of other countries…. The Russian state is responsible for this attempted murder… [Mr. Steele’ school!]. …
    “Russian ambassador Vasily Nebenzya pointed out that the session had been convened at London’s request, but that it is public at Moscow’s request. He observed that the United Kingdom is violating international law by treating this subject at the Security Council while keeping the OPCW out of its inquiry.”

  159. @EliteCommInc.

    You will get a kick out of Kolo’s 37 other comments totalling 200 words.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  160. @Johnny Rico

    Excuse me, but I am out of the loop on who or what is Kolo.

    and excuse my laughter.

  161. annamaria says:
    “… the British government adopted the theories of Professor Amy Knight. On 22 January 2018, this US Sovietologist published a very strange book — “Orders to Kill: the Putin régime and political murder.” The author, who is « the » specialist on the ex-KGB, attempts to demonstrate that Vladimir Putin is a serial killer … However, she admits herself that there is absolutely no proof of her accusations. [Amy Knight website:
    Knight is no Solzhenitsyn … she is an opportunist. Unbelievably, she talks about violation of human rights in Russia [hey, Ms. Knight, how about Iraq, Libya, and Syria? — do you approve the US wars of aggression and slaughter of civilians in the Middle East?] She has also written a presstitute-du-jour article “Russian spy poisoning: Has the Kremlin crossed the red line?”
    Amy Knight is a fanatic, but a profiteering fanatic and propagandist; she makes her living on a state-approved propaganda. As a propagandist, she does not need any facts — she is a Cheney fledging and Rove follower. Ignorance is bliss.
    Here is an interview (about Ukraine) with an honest man Ray McGovern and not so honest Amy Knight:

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  162. annamaria says:

    “The Wilson Center is one of the Borg’s taxpayer-funded hives:
    Jane Harman, Director, President and CEO”
    — Jane Harman is a committed Israel-firster and traitor to the US citizenry:
    “…an NSA wiretap in 2005 had picked up Harman promising a suspected Israeli agent that she would aid people indicted for espionage on behalf of Israel. According to reports, Harman allegedly told the Israeli agent that she would lobby the Justice Department to reduce espionage-related charges against two top officials for the powerful Israel lobby organization, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). In return, the suspected Israeli agent (who may have been a dual-citizen American) reportedly pledged to help lobby for Harman to become chair of the House Intelligence Committee. Harman was already the ranking Democrat on the committee.
    At the end of the conversation, Harman reportedly said: “This conversation doesn’t exist.”
    — It seems that Israel and the Lobby have devised a plot to arm “moderate” jihadis (Daesh) with the chemical weapon in order to initiate a provocation in Syrian (resulting in a lot of dead people) and force the US to enter an open war with Russia. The Skripal affair was most likely part of the plan.
    Time to investigate Israel’s arsenal of bio- and chemical weaponry for the poisonous substance used against Skripals. The Wilson Center has been known for its mad Russophobia. Nowadays the Wilson Center has become known for its treasonous activities against the US.
    Jane Harman, Aaron David Miller, Jeffrey Edmonds, Board of Trustees…

  163. geokat62 says:

    Exciting news. Just as Wisconsin has an American-firster running against Israel-firster Speaker Paul Ryan, Ohio has an American-firster by the name of Kevin Monte de Ramos seeking to run against Israel-firster Sherrod Brown for US senate.

    Kevin is the author of a short book, TRUMP: Why He is Right For America

    Here is a typical tweet that demonstrates Kevin’s America-first bona fides:

    Kevin is seeking the nomination as an independent candidate for US Senate, representing Ohio. He needs 5,000 valid signatures on a state form by end of April. These can be downloaded with instructions from his website After state verification, he will be on the ballot for the mid-term elections in November to displace Sherrod Brown (considered as Clinton’s running mate in 2016).

    Let’s get the word out to residents of Ohio that an American-firster is running to represent them in the US senate so they can do their best to ensure Kevin gets the requisite 5,000 signatures to run against swamp creature, Sherrod Brown.


    • Agree: Kiza
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  164. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    It would be no surprise, surely, given Russia’s history, if it were shown that the Putin’s Russia engages in extra-judicial killings, as the Brits., the Americans, the Israelis, are known with certainty to do. But with absolutely no proof that Russia, under Putin, is systematically killing off opponents of the regime, it is grossly hypocritical for the Brits and others keep pointing fingers at Putin — not of course, that shame would deter them for one moment.

    When I was at school, back in the 50’s, our school principal took a sabbatical in Russia. On his return, in describing the conditions of the citizens of the Soviet Union, he said that they were a people “living with lies.”

    Whether things are better now in Russia than in the 1950’s I wouldn’t know, but it is clear that, today, we in the West are a people “living with lies,” an obvious conclusion but one that almost no one in the 50’s would have believed. Of course we were lied to then, but not, I believe, as a matter of course, and virtually non-stop, every day.

  165. Z-man says:

    “Both May and Johnson should resign for misleading parliament.”

    Boris Johnson is what you get when cousins have children.

    BTW the inbred goof ball just compared Putin to Hitler. The Russians (Putin) are not going to forget this. They are going to hurt Britain where it counts, in the pocket book.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  166. Kiza says:

    Both commenters before me, Nosey and Annon from TN pointed out the old truism – if an official party accuses someone of a crime even before any investigation has been started, this is the best indicator that a false-flag just happened. Such quick accusations are always based on emotions and are meant to pump-up emotions, as I explained before, the rational people immediately reject such approach but they are a minority.

    This is an almost ancient propaganda tactic – when you cannot accuse the side you hate of your own crime – then engage in an endless investigation of what is obvious to dissipate interest. But when it is not obvious that you have done the crime of a false-flag, then immediately accuse your enemy and either manipulate the investigation if you can control it or push it down the memory hole if you cannot. You can always count on followers with small brains but big hate emotions and implanted prejudices to follow you in such information war. If 91% of population were thinking instead of feeling, then the two minutes of hate by US, British, Dutch and other EU governments would never be possible.

    The people who criticise Her Majesty’s Government on this false flag belong to the 9% of thinking humanity. It does not take a degree in rocket science to deduce that HMG is lying, just a tiny little bit of brain usage. To the rational people it is so terribly easy to recognise the emotional manipulation of the public.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @jilles dykstra
  167. geokat62 says:

    BTW the inbred goof ball just compared Putin to Hitler.

    That’s odd. Jennifer Rubin just compared Trump to Hiltler

    Jennifer Rubin likens Trump to Hitler in ‘blood and soil’ ethno-nationalism that threatens Jews

    So, let’s see. First Saddam was Hitler. Then Qadaffi. Then Ahmadinejad. Then Assad. Then Putin. And now they’ve finally even decided to smear the POTUS as the next Hitler. Wow, Hitler must be flattered that so many world leaders have set out to emulate him.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @annamaria
  168. have you noticed most of the comments do not seem to believe Russia is guilty . And most of these comments are written by American or other English s[peaking writers . These comment seem more to think this is just another false flag attack . This means one of two things either Russia has gained the upper hand in the propaganda war or the United States has been caught instigating just to many false flags crimes so they are not believed any more even by their own people

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @annamaria
    , @Z-man
  169. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @eric siverson

    his means one of two things either Russia has gained the upper hand in the propaganda war or the United States has been caught instigating just to many false flags crimes so they are not believed any more even by their own people

    It’s not that simple.

    The main problem with the Salisbury nerve agent attack narrative is that it makes no sense. The evidence offered to justify the guilt of Russia seems absurd. I won’t reiterate what was claimed because it has been widely discussed and generally conceded to be ridiculous.

    That’s what’s so fascinating about it. The utter incompetence, imbecility even, of the British state. The charge against Russia was, as Putin said, “drivel.” I suppose you could say that amounts to be losing the propaganda war, but it rather looks like a case of a government that has lost its marbles.

  170. Kiza says:

    Sorry, you forgot Milosevic, Gaddafi, Mugabe before, all Hitlers.

    I wrote a while ago that being called a Hitler but the Western slimeballs is a Distinction of Honor – this means that those individuals annoy the would be owners of the World by protecting the interests of their nation against the locust of globalisers.

    It is a real honor bestowed on a foreign leader, a real title of a Sir, instead of an honor of a British Sir Pedophile.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @ANON
    , @Rurik
  171. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    I am not sure what you are referring to when you write of “immediate accusations”. I don’t have access to a scrupulously or even roughly and honestly compiled time chart. Do you? Anyway your logic worries me. Could not any opportunist have latched on to the events for their own purposes, even including getting their names up in headlines or just soundbites? Indeed wouldn’t the devious perpeteators of a false flag operation be expectex to avoid being seen as first responders? Obvious actually.

    As there is not the slightest chance Tony Abbott, referred to above by NoseytheDuke, could have been party to any false flag operation, he may well illustrate my last point.

  172. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    See my answer to Anon’s reply. Anyone who thinks the blabbermouth Abbott would have been made party to a major false flag operation in Europe has been too lazy to think it through. Also to think through what is a plausible false flag scenario including by whom with what intended effect, what risk taking and expected value of reward and how they would handle the subsequent MSM and social media propaganda.

    If some if them anti Nuland and pro Russia opinons on UR threads have any real credibility then ir is possible to imagine some Kiev based forces doing something dangerous by some ambiguous and deniable means but there seems to be no evidence of that at all. There is apparentlt no doubt that a Buk missile launcher was moved from Russia into the rebel area. Boys with dangerous toys stuffing things up is usually a better bet than people in a large bureaucracy like thw CIA taking such a risky chance for an uncertain end. At least one would expect there to be rumours about the CIA loose canon/lone wolf who was quietly sideluned…

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  173. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    See my replues to NtD and Anon.

    If you justly claim to be amongst the 9 per cent smart enough to see through emotional means of leading the plebs by the nose you are still just one of very many who have to be anticipated in their attempts to blow the whistle or man the real or metaphorical barricades. So how have these clever false flaggers prepared for your wise-guy response with its appeal to all those who think they know enough and are smart enough to detect the presumed inside story? Surely they know that’s what you’ll say? And OK they know you haven’t a clue how to make your insights count but they must be prepared for someone who has weight if you (and that person) are right.

    There’s also the simple problem of working out what Mrs May would think made it worth murdering someone in Salisbury with nerve gas. Which perpetrator in the best Roman tradition is she going to invite to No.10 for supper, poison with cyanide and then have incinerated? Or could it have been done by a naturalized oligarch who was a big Cinservative donor likely to be made a peer soon but worried that Skripal had something on him..?? Isn’t that as much within the range of the *not impossible* as anything said by false flag believers?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Kiza
  174. ANON[436] • Disclaimer says:

    “locust of globalisers [sic]”. Who is globalism bad for? Sometimes you pose as if Australian? How could an Australian be anything but a globaliser? True a little bit of fine tuning to tax the business done by high tech multinationals in Australia is needed but globalism makes Australians (and Canadians) prosperous way beyond their individual competitive contributions outside one or two per cent. Do you not agree?

  175. @CanSpeccy

    My guess – and not just a wild efflorescence of the imagination – is that May has been told “anything is possible but we [the scientific experts or those they report to] can’t really see any case for the agent being other than one developed in Russia and today under Russian government control”.

    May: “Couldn’t someone have got hold of some or somehow replicated the formula?”

    “Yes PM we think the CIA could have managed it.And maybe Mossad- if that answers your question….”.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  176. ANON[436] • Disclaimer says:

    So you think these false flag perpetrators were too dumb to know that clever clogs like you and all your mates with a little time on their hands would spring them if they were started finger pointing too quickly and didn’t get it started with a source talking to a senior Der Spiegel editor or whatever?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  177. @RobinG

    Try reading Craig Murray too to clear your mind of the the assertive ranting that this thread thread largely consists of. Here on UR:

    Russian to Judgement, by Craig Murray – The Unz Review

    He carefully recognises mere probabilities and recounts the evidentiary facts he relies on in detail.

    It fits nicely with Israel Shamir’s contribution to the effect that Novichuk is a bit like Keyser Soze….(see #3 for the elaboration)

    • Replies: @RobinG
  178. @Anonymous

    I agree that Tony Abbott would not be in on the plan but all of our “leaders” in the west are installed as front people and they have handlers who script them from moment to moment every single day. Like a manager at McDonalds they know they must follow procedure so it’s more likely that, prior to entering that session of parliament after the downing on MH17, Abbott was briefed and possibly incited that he was going to be a front runner in denouncing “Thug Putin and those evil Russians”, a role he embraced and embellished with his shirt-fronting line. Tony the Tosser!

    Kiev controlled planes were attacking the Donbass using low altitude attacks not high, so why would a Buk be used by the defenders? They had already downed other aircraft by other means.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  179. @geokat62

    geokat reflected: “So, let’s see. First Saddam was Hitler. Then Qadaffi. Then Ahmadinejad. Then Assad. Then Putin.”

    Good morning geo,

    As you know, Vladimir Putin started to become branded “Hitler” when he began to take his country back from the Russian-Jewish oligarchs.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  180. Rurik says:

    you forgot Milosevic, Gaddafi, Mugabe before, all Hitlers.


    in the same sentence as Milosevic and Gaddafi?!

    Mugabe was a corrupt, Marxist, racist thug who destroyed his nation and plunged his people into hell on earth. The opposite of Gaddafi.

    Mugabe has been the darling of the zio-left.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  181. annamaria says:

    But Jennifer Rubin is very fond of Ukrainian neo-Nazi. Like the Kagans’ clan, she is in awe of the neo-Nazis’ Russophobia. Rubin is a mouthpiece for neo-Nazists/ziocons:
    The ziocons and banderites are naturally the strongest supporters of both Nazi ideology and methods of warfare, particularly when Russians are the target.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  182. annamaria says:
    @eric siverson

    You mean, making conclusions in the absence of evidence is ideology-determined? How about general intelligence?

  183. @geokat62

    According to his LinkedIn page, Monte de Ramos is Canadian — to be precise, his employment has all been in Canada.

    In 2011 de Ramos was a guest columnist in Cleveland [Ohio] Plain Dealer where he reported on his observations of the Occupy movement in Cleveland.

    Did de Ramos migrate to USA? Has he become a naturalized citizen?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  184. Z-man says:
    @eric siverson

    CNN and the other Joo outlets have been on Russia 24/7, Russia this and Putin that, over what? Nothing. It’s a NEOCON/AIPAC/Cabalist plot to have America go to war with the last white/Christian country on earth*! People, thank the Lord, are wise to this.
    *Excluding most of the rest of Eastern Europe

    • Replies: @gwynedd1
  185. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    My guess – and not just a wild efflorescence of the imagination – is that May has been told “anything is possible but we [the scientific experts or those they report to] can’t really see any case for the agent being other than one developed in Russia and today under Russian government control”.

    May stated that it is “highly likely” that Russia was responsible for the attempted murder of former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia. That appears to have been an insane statement based on the evidence you say was available. However, if in fact, the Skripal poisoning was intended to more or less coincide with a poison gas false flag in Syria, as Meyssan alleges had been planned without Presidential authorization or knowledge by the Tillerson State Department, then May’s statement, together with BoJo’s assertion that Putin almost certainly personally ordered the crime, does make a kind of criminally insane sense.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  186. @annamaria

    You really can’t let go of “neo-Nazi” wing-words, can you annamaria.
    I wonder if dog saliva is that sticky.

    Was it you or somebody else who explained that Bandera was a thug off-shoot in the Nazi era.
    When you continually reinforce “Nazi” as a term meaning “all that is evil,” you do the zionists work for them — and you undermine your own extraordinary efforts.

    In general, insisting that National Socialism be discussed fairly and objectively, rather than succumbing to the Pavlovian version of events, used to be considered rational and equitable.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @annamaria
  187. @Kiza

    If the Dutch people are thinking or just feeling, yesterday we had our municipal elections.
    The losers were the national governing parties.
    Local municipal parties never got so many votes.

    And we voted yesterday, with a very small margin I must admit, say 49.5 against 47.3 %, in our last referendum, the Law on the Secret Services.
    This law is commonly called sleepwet, trawler law, authorising the secrecy men and women to spy on anyone they like.
    They are also empowered to share their data with foreign agencies.

    I like to compare thee trawler law with the Patriot Act, ‘for our safety’, against terrorists.
    It was the last referendum for the time being, the referendum law being a nuisance for the government, this was the second referendum under the law, each time we opposed the government, the first time on the EU association treaty with Ukraine.
    As the referendum is not binding, it just is a nuisance, but a serious one.

    Of course there are beautiful stories about protecting privacy, alas the 49 or so % do not seem to have much faith in the stories.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  188. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Nope. You’ve forgotten that Abbott was only under the (imperfect) control of Peta Creflin, the wife of the Director of the Liberal Party who had no interest or function beyond domestic politics and the party(basically election winning). And you’ve forgotten the way he behaved when suddenly he slipped the ĺeash and blew the future two days before the election when he made a lot if idiotic promises he shouldn’t hsve made. No one programmed him to explode at his “shirt-front” moment. That was just the Tony no one would have relied on.

    I answer your last point with “when riflemen in tbe British regular army had done so well killing Germans at Mons why would they beef up their weaponry with lots of machine guns and medium and heavy artillery?”.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  189. @CanSpeccy

    Would we have doubted May without Colin Powell’s admission that he had been misled, Saddam’s WMD’s that were never there, Scott Ritter’s revelations about the UN spying for the USA, Wikileaks, Snowden, the doubts about Sept 11, the Liberty affair, the Ton Kin Gulf lies, the USA’s perpetual wars to bring democracy and peace, the Assad poison gas story ?

    You can fool all people some time, some people all the time, but not all people all the time.
    Someone here writes that Russia has got the upper hand in the propaganda war, my idea is that simply western propaganda is no longer effective.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  190. @SolontoCroesus

    I suppose few people here read german, but there exists a book showing Hitler was a National-Socialist.
    It is about interviewing Germans still alive at the beginning of the eighties, who in the thirties voted for Hitler.
    They describe 1938 as the best year in their life, jobs, security on the streets, credits for building houses, hope for a car, the VW Beetle, VolksWagen, people’s car.
    Kai S. Schreyber (Hrsg.), ´Warum wir ADOLF HITLER wählten, Jungwähler von 1933/38 berichten’, 2001 Kiel
    ‘Why we voted for Hitler’.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  191. SolontoCroesus wrote politely & constructivley to annamaria: “In general, insisting that National Socialism be discussed fairly and objectively, rather than succumbing to the Pavlovian version of events, used to be considered rational and equitable.”

    Hi S2C,

    Zionist Jews take an (opposite) irrational & inequitable approach to define National Socialism.

    Am confident intelligent annamaria will no longer participate under Zionist “rules of engagement” when offering future U.R. comments involving the deliberately distorted topic of National Socialism.

    P.S. On Drudgereport, I noticed an article where our Jewish Corporate Media is pumping up Jared Kushner, an illegal West Bank settlement-investor, as a vital Middle East “peacemaker.” To avoid further hypocrisy, I suggest the quick establishment of a “War is Peace” Nobel Prize award.

  192. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    As you are saying the same things in several comments, I’ll try to answer all of them.
    1. Target audience. The majority of the populace in any country is quite dumb. No state propaganda (USSR, USA, UK, Germany, you name them, they are all the same) ever targets the smart fraction of the populace. It is crafted for the lowest common denominator, i.e., “an average Joe” with limited mental ability.
    2. Fear of discovery. That would have been valid in an imaginary democracy with free press and presumption of innocence. In that case it would have been the job of the accuser to prove someone’s guilt, not the job of the accused to prove innocence. However, when all MSM are owned by the same elites that own every branch of the government, there is nothing to fear. Recent example: Iraqi WMD. Everyone knows that it was a lie. A vial with white powder at the UN became a meme. What’s more, heinous war crimes were committed on the basis of this lie: a sovereign country was invaded and occupied in blatant violation of the international law, hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed. Now, was anyone punished? Is Bush Jr., Blair, or any other war criminal in jail or did any perpetrator suffer in any way? Of course not! Impunity breeds more crimes, as we are witnessing today. Besides, if there is even a remote danger of discovery, the elites are prepared to “suicide” any number of Drs. Kelly. The same criminals that invented the lie and executed false flag operation in the first place will “investigate” these “suicides”. So they feel totally safe.
    3. Motive. Not being a part of that criminal gang, I cannot be sure about their prime motive. However, I can think of a few. A. Local. May is an abject failure, many members of her party are calling for her resignation. So, she can use something that would make her look strong and patriotic. B. European. Expensive American LNG cannot win over cheap Russian pipeline natural gas via market forces. So, they have to use something else. Demonizing Putin and Russia is necessary for that. C. Global. Globalist elites (not necessarily Zionist ones, just super-rich people w/o any scruples dominating Western societies) are panicked. Their game in Syria is falling apart: the head-choppers they spawned are losing the war to the legitimate government. Their attempt to use Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia failed in many ways. First, Ukraine turned out to be too rotten for the role. Second, more and more people see that the West brought to power open Nazis in Kiev. Third, Ukrainian economy is tanking, while the corruption there is worse than it ever was under previous governments (even though it was pretty bad to begin with). They blame Putin for both failures, so they need to demonize him. Maybe they even hope to turn things around in Syria by direct intervention: after all, similar hysteria and propaganda campaign based on blatant lies was used to prepare Western Joes for the bombing of Serbia.
    Thus, there are many reasons to believe that Skripal affair was a false flag operation (if there was any operation at all: we cannot be sure, as nobody independent is allowed to see alleged victims). On the other hand, there is no reason to believe that if Russian intelligence services wanted Skripal dead (which is a possibility: they are just as amoral and unscrupulous as their Western colleagues) they would have exchanged him, then waited many years, and then eliminated him at the worst possible (from Russia perspective) moment. I rest my case.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  193. annamaria says:

    “When you continually reinforce “Nazi” as a term meaning “all that is evil,” you do the zionists work for them…”
    — I recognize your point. Do you have any other instruments showing the convergence/collusion of ziocons and neo-Nazis? The zionists proclaim their moral superiority — and argue for Oded Yinon plan — on the ground of being eternally wronged by the Nazis (Shoa biz). But then there is today the Kaganat of Nuland (former Ukraine) which leadership is laced with the followers of Nazism.
    Do you have a politically-correct approach to the convergence/collusion of ziocons and neo-Nazis?
    Also, that Bandera was a “thug off-shoot in the Nazi era” has been explained by serious historians; I am not going to take credit for that.
    By the way, I consider the German civilization (fine arts, music, philosophy, math, engineering art, architecture, agriculture and such) one of the highest achievements of humankind.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @Anonymous
  194. RobinG says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    LOL. Why are you citing an article that doesn’t support you?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  195. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    my idea is that simply western propaganda is no longer effective.

    It was ineffective in this case, but that, according to Meyssan, is because a simultaneous Syrian false flag chemical weapons attack was prevented by Russian intervention.

    Had the two events coincided, it’s likely there would have been less scrutiny of what happened in Salisbury. The important thing with this kind of manipulation is not the logical coherence of the evidence presented to the public in support of the official lie, but the shock and awe.

    Nine eleven, an obvious false flag, was effective because it was too monstrous for most people to question. That is, it was effective in the immediate aftermath, and thus effective in launching Dubya’s wars of choice on Afghanistan and Iraq. In hindsight, the fraudulence of the official 9/11 story is now generally accepted, some of the criminal work involved outsourced, it seems, to Israel, perhaps also Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and probably others.

    Other now recognized false flags were equally effective in accomplishing their objective, e.g., the sinking of the Maine, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Zinoviev Letter, etc.

  196. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    If you are genuinely interested, see my comment #199. If you are a pro-establishment troll, never mind.

  197. @jilles dykstra

    Thank you jilles.
    American public schools used to teach German as a matter of course, but that ended with the onset of WWII. Even then — when I started college, mastery of German or French was required for anyone seeking a post-baccalaureate degree.

    As it happens — just yesterday I came across this TBR Radio (The Barnes Review) interview of Carolyn Yeager, discussing The Artist Within the Warlord: An Adolf Hitler You’ve Never Known and her extensive efforts to have it carefully translated from the original German.

    The book was written by an architect who worked extensively with Hitler.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @RobinG
  198. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi S2C,

    I believe educated Russian citizens will be referencing the name “Pompeo” when attempting to classify a very bad ass ZUS leader.

    Below is such a view conveyed by an intelligent Russian Orthodox-American citizen.

    Also, thank for the link to “Artist within the warlord.” Fascinating.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  199. @annamaria

    The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3 :

    Tsze-lu said, “The ruler of Wei has been waiting for you, in order with you to administer the government. What will you consider the first thing to be done?”

    The Master replied, “What is necessary is to rectify names.”
    “So! indeed!” said Tsze-lu. “You are wide of the mark! Why must there be such rectification?”

    The Master said, “How uncultivated you are, Yu! A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve.
    “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.
    “When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music do not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot.
    “Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

    It was Jewish zionists who trained the dog to react with revulsion to the word, Nazi, and who have spent the last 85 years reinforcing that conditioned response.

    Within two weeks of Hitler’s appointment, zionist leadership; namely, Louis Brandeis and Rabbi Stephen Wise, among others, began the campaign of demonizing “the Hitlerites” by means of economic warfare, large protest marches and rallies, arm-twisting leaders of major religious denominations, and multifaceted writing campaigns. By May of 1933 Rabbi Wise’s son, James Waterman Wise, published “Swastika,” which opened with the words, “The swastika . . . is the symbol of Nazi hatred of Jews.” etc. etc. etc.

    I have yet to discern a clear reason for such a level of Jewish animus toward Hitler and NS in 1933, a time when Jews in Romania and Poland were being fiercely persecuted, and Bolshevik Communists were killing Ukrainians and Russians by the tens of thousands.

    In other words, the campaign to condition Americans and RoW to hear “Nazi” and react with revulsion was initiated by zionist Jews with as much basis in reality as PM May’s attack on Russia.

    Zionist Jews created the conditioned response of Hate! when the word Nazi was spoken, and they did so for their own purposes. That Nuland and the Kaganites apply that word to the group they have employed to take down yet another sovereign state is simply one more demonstration of their own internal “lack of cultivation;” their “impropriety;” their fundamental Inferiority, in that they seem to find pleasure in re-invoking the pain and anguish they caused in the first instance.

    Germar Rudolf publishes Inconvenient History , part of the CODOH constellation. Guidelines for submissions to the journal state that Germany’s WWII era government be referred to as National Socialist(s), or NS.

    I suggest that the groups that Nuland and the Kaganites have employed to terrorize Ukraine be called what they are, the name that is in accord with the truth of things: Bandarists. Not Nazis and not neo-Nazis.

    If someone wishes to discuss the government of the Third Reich, I suggest that Rudolf’s protocol be adhered to: the government was National Socialist, or NS, or NSDAP.

    PS I’ve already run on too long, but one more thing: I would never, ever conjunct “zionism” with “Nazism.” Zionism is sui generis, and as Rurik has written, succinctly,
    Zionism and the strife in the Middle East today are not happening because of Nazi Germany. Rather Nazi Germany (and all the horrors of that war) happened because of the Zionists.
    that is the cause and effect, not the reverse.

    A week or so ago I attended a screening of films about the I/P conflict, co-sponsored by JVP and several mainline Christian denominations. In the Q and A segment, someone finally said the word, zionism. The JVP rep was at the mic in a nanosecond to declare — diktat-wise — that “We don’t use that word. There’s a great deal of controversy in Jewish families and communities about zionism and anti-zionism — it’s very painful. So we don’t use that word, we talk in terms of Human Rights.”
    imho the Christian audience that was being addressed deserves to be “in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success.” That truth is that zionism is the political movement that is causing the turmoil and “horrors” in the Levant and the Middle East, just as Rurik stated.

    Apologies if I totally failed to answer your question.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  200. gwynedd1 says:

    Eastern Europe is under the impression that communism came to them by Russia. Yet, a lot of them and other minorities in Asia gave their helping hand to turn Russia red. They were just the first ones infected by it and it was with a good deal of resistance.

  201. Kiza says:
    @jilles dykstra

    If i understood your comment, the Dutch rejected again the personal information trawler law. Congratulation! But I would not be surprised if they run the referendum for the third time.

    Even with the Dutch Patriot Act there was an almost equal number of peo0le who were feeling rather than thinking, feeling fear instead of thinking that the value of protecting privacy far outweighs the risk of dying from “a terrorist attack”.

    And personal freedom is much more personal than hating the Russians. You have to admit that it is much easier to convince the feeling people that some (white) ethnic group or country wants to poison their fathers, rape their mothers and sisters and throw their babies out of incubators onto cold floor (love that touch of propagandist’s inspiration).

    Obviously, the third time they run the referendum they will still enough votes to get it through. Otherwise, they will keep running it till the propaganda wins.

  202. Kiza says:

    Mugabe is not my darling. But the British did call him Hitler because he was opposing their plans. He must have been doing something good to deserve such honourable title from the British Establishment. The West have been doing to his country what they have been doing to Venezuela lately, so maybe you are right about the Marxist label but it is still a label.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  203. RobinG says:

    And he was a vegetarian…. and he loved his dog so much he killed her…. What a guy!

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  204. @ChuckOrloski

    Thank you ChuckOrloski.

    Carol Yeager participated in a three-part interview related to the book.

    Fortunately, Big Brother protects us from overexposure to them.

    ! The following content has been
    identified by the YouTube community
    as inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.

    Certain features have been disabled for this video
    In response to user reports, we have disabled some features, such as comments, sharing, and suggested videos, because this video contains content that may be inappropriate or offensive to some audiences.

    Curiously, Big Brother let his guard down on the second and third videos.

    Published on Feb 13, 2018

  205. @RobinG

    You forgot to mention that he was devoted to his mother and her memory, RobinG. If you’re going to snipe, go for broke.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  206. Kiza says:

    Of all the stupid comments yours carries the flag…

    Firstly, where did I say that the false-flaggers were smart? If anything, I implied that anyone with the control of media and government apparatus could easily convince the very large unthinking majority to fear and hate.

    Secondly, the lack of motivation in May for a false-flag is probably one of the biggest stupidities I have read in any comment recently, and I have read around a hundred articles and many thousands of comments about the affair. It even exceeds the stupidity of cretins who believe in the magic of discovering the perpetrator of a crime within hours (MH17) or days (Skripals). The only thing I do accept is that the false-flag may have been perpetrated not by the British but by a government which owns the British, that is Israel. But even that is a bit of a stretch, the party which could have done it the easiest is the British Deep State (MI6+), the same one that worked with DNC to smear Trump. Perhaps this is why Trump went off script and congratulated Putin on his electoral victory as an insult to the British Deep State and its big and risky effort to isolate Russia.

    Produce one British whistleblower on Skripal affair and watch the British Deep State pedal backwards like Lance Armstrong (or whoever). Doing false-flags is risky due to the thinking minority amongst your own staff (what I call the 9%). Whistleblowers are the leaders of the thinking minority.

    I refuse to waste my time to discuss issues with anonymous cretins, no more debate with you #436.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  207. Kiza says:

    Imagine for a moment that it is true that the Russians want to attack and occupy the decrepit Western Europe, what those pumping up emotion and suspending reasoning want you to fear. Judging by the Russian success in managing their own country, they could probably manage the Western EU countries better than their own managers. And maybe the Russian occupiers would stop and reverse all illegal immigration and your mothers, sisters and daughters could walk down the streets safely again. Paris could become Paris back again, and so on.

    Sorry but the Russian occupation will never happen and you will never see the improvement that you desperately need.

    Another mind experiment. Imagine that it is true that the Russians poisoned some totally unimportant retired old double spy and even using some nerve agent, which is not totally dissimilar to you poisoning yourself with some strong garden herbicide (which should have been banned but due to the usual corruption was not). How many such double spies exist in Britain? Even if the Russians were to decide to kill all of them in the same exotic ways which are supposedly the same as leaving their calling card at the place of the crime, what then? Note that “the Russians” were careful enough to poison only their target and one government policeman (whose job description includes risk) and nobody even died. What level of risk does this present to you, the citizen of UK?

    So start thinking and stop only fearing what the Deep State and its puppets want you to fear. Only by thinking you can put things into a real perspective, then relax, stop hating and continue going on about your life as usual and punish the puppets of the Deep State at the next election by electing another set of DS puppets (LOL).

  208. RobinG says:

    It’s just such a joke, to suggest that a fondness for art makes someone a good person.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @L.K
  209. chris says:

    Well, well, now here’s a fool who could be easily blackmailed by a foreign power. For each revealed scandal there are probably 2 or 3 withheld.

  210. annamaria says:

    Thank you. You gave me all the needed answers. Thank you.

  211. RobinG fumed, opined: “It’s just such a joke, to suggest that a fondness for art makes someone a good person.”

    Hi RobinG,

    Everything is relative and the above comment has a percentage of validity.

    For one example, Netanyahu and his tribe liked Charlie Hebdo’s blasphemous art, and they scored political points against the sensitivities of global Islamic faith.

    Another example, Barbara Bush & family liked her son W.’s bathtub art.

    I do not think such affirmation makes artists Hebdo and George W. Bush “good” persons.

    Most of all, SolontoCroesus never stated Hitler’s passion for architecture made him a “good” person, a sinless Fuhrer!

    S2C’s mature and he keeps in mind the ‘ole-time-religion advisory, “Judge not that ye shall not be judged.”

    Thank you!

  212. annamaria says:

    “The only thing I do accept is that the false-flag may have been perpetrated not by the British but by a government which owns the British, that is Israel.”
    There is no evidence, but considering the power of the Friends of Israel in the UK and the Israelis visceral hatred for Russians (particularly for the humanitarian doings in Syria), Israelis make a much stronger suspect than Russians.

    • Replies: @Kiza
  213. @RobinG

    It’s just such a joke, to suggest that a fondness for art makes someone a good person.

    Here’s a challenge, RobinG, to get UF readers out of Simplistification mode:

    A friend and I have been reading Cora Sol Goldstein’s “Capturing the German Eye,”
    in tandem with Max Nordau’s “Degeneration.”

    As you may know, Theodor Herzl spent a frenetic weekend haranguing Nordau until the latter agreed that the outline of Herzl’s vision for Der Judenstaat was a good idea. They then spent the next week or so in a frenzy of writing the manifesto for the Jewish State. (Both men were personally ‘degenerated’ — Herzl & his wife were on barely speaking terms, a daughter died of drug overdose & son committed suicide at her funeral; Nordau had multiple sexual liaisons).

    That collaboration is what set the ball rolling.

    Both men were nut cases.

    Degeneration (at least the parts I’ve read so far) is Nordau’s psychoanalysis of the way that the modern art (and music) that was gaining purchase in Europe at the time, not least in the Jewish community, gave evidence of a disturbed — degenerated — mental state. Nordau’s book mentions Ernst Kris, an associate of Sigmund Freud;

    In 1933, Freud asked Kris to become editor of the Imago magazine, in which he published a paper relating art to psychology. He argued that the difference between the artist and the psychotic is that the artist can return from the world of his imagination to the real world, while the psychotic cannot.

    Curiously enough, Hitler and many German people shared Nordau’s point of view: the modern art-movies-plays-music-clubs that came to dominate Weimar Germany were grossly offensive to German sensibilities and notion of order and morality. As you may know, in the Third Reich years, such art was collected for a museum exhibit of degraded art; in its stead, Hitler and other Germans proposed different modes of artistic expression; these modes were, obviously, supported by the German government while those considered contrary to German values were not.

    Hollywood has informed us that Germans stole massive amounts of (Jewish) art. That claim has been debunked (Wally — can you help out here?)– not as broadly as the reach of a Hollywood movie, but nevertheless.

    Cora Sol Goldstein’s work documents how US occupation forces in Germany (OMGUS) confiscated every last piece of “Nazi art” they could get their hands on, shipped it out of the country — much of it to USA; and replaced it with what OMGUS decreed was more appropriate for the German people — modern art. Goldstein opens her narrative with the explanation that US Congress and military leaders at top of OMGUS were opposed to the programs and methods that persons carrying out these agendas had in mind: Goldstein says that Congress & military leaders were “anti-Semitic.”
    So the people who actually ran the program of purging German art and replacing it with modern art, as part of the campaign that Goldstein frankly calls “psychological warfare,” were in large number, Jewish, and they operated around and behind the purview of US Congressional and military expectations.

    In other words, Jews who dominated the OMGUS psychological warfare campaign used art to eradicate German values, such as those Hitler and the Third Reich endorsed, from the physical as well as the psychological landscape of the German people, in favor of the psychotic representations of modern art.

    It’s just such a joke, to suggest that a fondness for art makes someone a good person. ~RobinG

  214. geokat62 says:

    Great queries, S2C. Hopefully, this answers them for you:

    You are correct in all of this; however, Kevin is a top-tier consultant who is working in Canada (for an extended time now) on a work visa.) NO MIGRANT here, Kevin is 100% USA; no Canadian aspiration (not even a permanent resident); believes dual citizenship creates divided loyalties.

    Kevin is Ohio born and raised. Active with local causes. And respected locally. He has served the social mandates of the private sector; making him an ideal political candidate as he can develop practical solutions for complex social problems.

    He is easy to access currently. This is how I stumbled into and have opened a dialog with him. I suggest you reach out. Who knows you may be able to have a dialog with him. If not, I can introduce you.

    Born: Berea Ohio

    Raised Barnesville, OH

    Schooled: Hiram, OH and Columbus OH
    Worked: Columbus, OH, Atlanta, GA, Montreal,QC, and Toronto, ON.

    He is true: red white and blue. And lifelong independent. Political aspirations stem from frustration. Right support system in place to fight for what is right. He is guided by one document only! US Constitution.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  215. Rurik says:

    He must have been doing something good to deserve such honourable title from the British Establishment.

    hard to argue with that

    But my sense is that they (British pedophiles and Zionists) approved of Mugabe

    maybe it was this guy they meant was Hitler

    The West have been doing to his country what they have been doing to Venezuela lately,

    the zio-west has had it in for Venezuela ever since Chavez called their little war-stooge Dubya the devil. Just like they do for Bolivia as well. The zio-west can not tolerate honest leadership anywhere. As I don’t have to tell you.

    But it was Mugabe who destroyed his nation, not the west. When he had his thugs slaughter the white farmers and gave their houses to his cronies.

    If all whites must leave Africa, then fine. But wholesale slaughter and theft is counter-productive, as S. Africa is about to discover.

    here’s a good site from Zimbabwe from a woman who’s been writing about it for many years now.

  216. Kiza says:

    In the submission to the court HMG just admitted to lying: “The samples
    tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent OR CLOSELY RELATED AGENT.”

    Since the name Novichok apparently describes a whole class of nerve agents, making this even broader by adding the new weasel word phrase: “or closely related agent” just broadened it to half of all poisons in this world. In summary: poisoned by some closely related agent of the type developed by Russia. It appears that the only certainty is that it was Russian. Now imagine for a moment that a public prosecutor in UK was using such formulations to accuse you personally for something you did not do!

    I think we will soon hear from the esteemed British historians that Lucretia Borgia was really Russian.

    • Replies: @Anon
  217. geokat62 says:

    Well, it’s official. DJT has gone full neocon on us:

    What John Bolton’s Appointment as National-Security Adviser Means

    Trump replaces H.R. McMaster with a persistent advocate of military intervention, who has pushed for a tougher line against North Korea.

    The storm clouds are darkening.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  218. Beach Boys artistic drummer, Dennis Wilson, dug Charles Manson’s music & unique personality (below) but not the Helter Skelter!

  219. @geokat62

    geokat predicted: “The storm clouds are darkening.”

    Hi geo,

    I will add that the perfect war storm is brewing.

    Israeli military command has semi-admitted to a successful 2007 fighter jet strike upon a Syrian nuclear reactor.

    The timing was smart given S-400’s stationed along road to Damascus now.

    A similar Israeli attack upon Iran will have the White House war cabinet’s blessings and this strikes me as evil.

    Thanks, geo.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  220. Rurik says:

    well Brother Chuck, it looks like you were right about Trump all along

    we’ve been betrayed and lied to

    war with Iran anyone?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Kiza
  221. @Rurik

    Rurik said: “well Brother Chuck, it looks like you were right about Trump all along.”

    Hi Brother Rurik,

    I know it will be of no consolation to you, but everything in life that deserves to be either scattered or destroyed happens.

    Not as soon as the need be, but (inevitably) such will be the fate for our exalted warmongers, many who have already drawn blood from within the “Homeland,” i.e., 9/11, and remain affluently at-large.

    Now is a very bad time to falter in our duty to self-awaken, thicken skin, expose evil, keep faith, & like P. Giraldi admonished months ago, “stick together.”

    Real time “March Madness,” I know you know what ‘gotta be done.

    Thank you.

    • Agree: Rurik
  222. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Shouldn’t you get back on your meds?

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @NoseytheDuke
  223. L.K says:

    You know what really is a joke, Robing? It’s a joke to watch someone like you, who does not know a damn thing about NS, Hitler, WW2 & its origins, at least nothing beyond the comic book, Mickey Mouse like propaganda narrative by the winners, taking constant swipes at folks, like SC and others, who actually DO know something about it.

    It’s just really cheap behavior, you know that?

  224. L.K says:

    Let’s see if Rand Paul can deliver…

    In a recent article ‘Hawks Resurgent in Washington”, Phil Giraldi writes:

    Bolton, who has been described by a former George W. Bush official as “the most dangerous man we had during the entire eight years,” will undoubtedly have a problem in getting confirmed by Congress.

    But then there is that other zio dominated asshole, Giuliani, waitin’ in line.
    Anyway, writes P. Giraldi:

    Pompeo’s arrival might only be the first of several other high-level moves by the White House. Like the rumors that preceded the firing of Secretary of State Tillerson two weeks ago, there have been recurrent suggestions that McMaster will be the next to go as he reportedly is too moderate for the president and has also been accused of being anti-Israeli, the kiss of death in Washington. Former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton has been a frequent visitor at the White House and it is believed that he is the preferred candidate to fill the position. He is an extreme hawk, closely tied to the Israel Lobby, who would push hard for war against Iran and also for a hardline position in Syria, one that could lead to direct confrontation with the Syrian Armed Forces and possibly the Russians.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  225. L.K says:

    Any well informed person, and unfortunately there are too few of those, can smell the stink of BS re the latest unfounded accusation against Russia, the Skripal case. The following is a good article asking some good questions that are generally not asked about it.

    30 Questions That Journalists Should be Asking About the Skripal Case
    by rob slane

  226. RobinG says:

    You know what’s really cheap? Listening to some drivel about how poor Adolph regretted not having enough time to daub. Our sensitive oh-so-blue eyed boy.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  227. L.K says:

    How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet

    Numerous well funded, organized projects by and for Israel work to flood social media with pro-Israel propaganda, while blocking facts Israel dislikes. The projects utilize Israeli soldiers, students, American teens and others, and range from infiltrating Wikipedia to influencing YouTube. Some operate out of Jewish Community Centers in the U.S.

    By Alison Weir

    If Americans Knew Blog

    Recently, YouTube suddenly shut down the If Americans Knew YouTube channel. This contained 70 videos providing facts-based information about Israel-Palestine.

    People going to the channel saw a message telling them that the site had been terminated for “violating YouTube guidelines”—implying to the public that we were guilty of wrongdoing. And ensuring they didn’t learn about the information we were trying to disseminate. …

    Full article @

  228. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you for a courteous reply. In the limited time I have I shall simply suggest that you need to work up an acquaintance with some of the people you suppose, without knowing them, are controlling affairs.

    You are perhaps very young or is it just forgetful, because “Iraqi WMD. Everyone knows it was a lie” misrepresents the 2003 situation radically. Many people in important or influential positions actually believed that Saddam Hussein had WMD (I didn’t as it happens: accurately I think saying that Saddam undoubtedly wanted the Iranians, Saudis and probably some of his tribally different generals to believe he had them) and since then we have discovered that Bush’s team were willing to lie if necessary as the allegation of Al Qaeda association had been refuted. But remember too if you are old enough, or up to date on your homework, George Tenet’s “slam dunk” for WMD which was bad intelligence rather than lies.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @AnonFromTN
  229. anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    STOP PRESs. The Skripals have been sprung. Essentially this is a scam cooked up to refresh the Skripal finances. I hope they got the dosage right! Good luck to them. No doubt the supporting players have signed over most of the potential proceeds from telling their stories to those who took the serious risk.

    Yahoo Answers says this is the best answer to the Whodunnit question. I know because I asked the question and rated the answer. Them’s thw rules.

  230. annamaria says:

    “How Israel and its partisans work to censor the Internet:”
    “Numerous well funded, organized projects by and for Israel work to flood social media with pro-Israel propaganda, while blocking facts Israel dislikes. The projects utilize Israeli soldiers, students, American teens and others, and range from infiltrating Wikipedia to influencing YouTube. Some operate out of Jewish Community Centers in the U.S.”

    “Israel and weapons of mass destruction:”
    “Israel has signed but not ratified the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).[19] In late 1982 a probable CW nerve agent production facility and a storage facility were identified at the Dimona Sensitive Storage Area in the Negev Desert. There are also speculations that a chemical weapons program might be located at the Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR[22]) in Ness Ziona.[23]
    190 liters of dimethyl methylphosphonate, a CWC schedule 2 chemical used in the synthesis of sarin nerve gas, was discovered in the cargo of El Al Flight 1862 after it crashed in 1992 en route to Tel Aviv. The shipment was from a U.S. chemical plant to the IIBR under a U.S. Department of Commerce license.[24]
    In 1993, the U.S. Congress Office of Technology Assessment WMD proliferation assessment recorded Israel as a country generally reported as having undeclared offensive chemical warfare capabilities.[2]
    Israel is believed to have developed an offensive biological warfare capability.[2] The US Congress Office of Technology Assessment records Israel as a country possessing a long-term, undeclared biological warfare program.[2] Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC).[26] It is assumed that the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare.”

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @Wizard of Oz
  231. @RobinG

    You know what’s really a travesty? That the George H W Bushes, father and son, are still alive and daubing instead of swinging from a rope or stewing in a max security hell-hole for illicitly destroying a nation and causing the deaths of a million innocent people on false pretenses.

    • Replies: @Anon
  232. @CanSpeccy

    I am not sure why you say “the evidence [I] say was available”. I speculated on what May might have been told and her “highly likely” statement is clearly not insane if that, as speculated, was the advice she got from trusted public servants and discussed with senior colleagues.

    Among the most convincing points made by commenters is the unlikelihood that MI6 and MI5 wouldn’t have prevented a false flag operation being conducted against one of their former agents. Why not choose a dodgy oligarch living in the UK?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  233. @RobinG

    Which article? And what is it that you think I assert that it “doesn’t support”?

    No don’t bother. I wasn’t writing for the cognitively very limited.

  234. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    What was old George H. W. ‘s crime? Kuwait had been invaded and the first Iraq war was legal, whatever you think of the UN and international law, was it not?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  235. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    I am not sure why you say “the evidence [I] say was available”.

    I’m sorry, I should have said “evidence you guess was available (but “not a wild efflorescence of the imagination,” which I took to mean you were asserting what you guessed with some authority. Anyway, Craig Murray’s latest piece demonstrates conclusively that May and Johnson were lying about the provenance of the nerve agent or whatever it was that the Skripals were afflicted with.

    The fact that Murray is so well informed by his “many friends” in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office suggests that there is a mood of rebellion there about what has happened and the ludicrous situation that the British Government has got itself into over the Salisbury incident.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    , @Wizard of Oz
  236. Kiza says:

    Thanks annamaria, I agree that those are the “meds” that Cretin[436] was sending me to take, Novichok and any other nerve agent that Israel produces. For goyim, those are the meds.

  237. Kiza says:

    Please refer to my comment #1 above. Our Whiz, pardon Wiz, is already jumping to accusing the Porton Down scientists of giving wrong information and wrong certainty to the oh so poor, poor PM May. How difficult was that to predict, since we have never seen it before (wink-wink)? Well, no tea-lady to blame, so the scientists are the next in line.

    It is so hard to be a scientists when all your bosses are MIC crooks.

  238. Kiza says:

    Thanks very much Ron Unz for a compromise solution of linking the posters who jump from different versions of the word anonymous under one number.

  239. Kiza says:

    You are typing as if only Israel and its puppet US matter. What about Russia, what about China, what about the whole SCO? Trump could appoint the god of war Mars himself, it does not mean that the attack on Iran will be as easy as the attack on Iraq was. Simply put, this is not year 2003, at a minimum Iran could be supplied with advanced weapons by Russia and China, just as US constantly supplies Saudi Arabia and Israel. Since there is no ethnic minority which could be used against Iran, the US troops will have to attack Iran directly, with minor Israeli assistance. BTW, Russia and China would get a chance to test their advanced weapons against the big Kahuna under Iran’s name. Do you think that US generals are so dumb to expose themselves to such big losses? The harder the neocons push, the more resistance there will be among those who will be supposed to bleed and die (push and push back). The fact that some US generals are kissing Israeli ass now does not mean that they will do the same in a dying situation.

    Instead of worrying about some scumbag’s appointment, you need to ask yourself – what kind of false-flag would they need to organise to get the very expensive war on Iran? After all, they used up their 911 joker card already on the much weaker Iraq. Will there be, for example, a dirty nuclear bomb explosion in some US city with Iranian passports found on the spot? They will need to kill many more than 3,000 US citizens to get the war fervor against Iran built up. Look at just how quickly the anti-Russian fervor is dissipating after this cheap British smear attempt. They tend to keep using similar tricks, but goyim are slowly getting wiser and wiser and start to wake up quicker and quicker.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  240. Seraphim says:

    It is nothing new. It was current practice immediately after WWII (actually before) and shows who controls the language:

    “Reductio ad Hitlerum (pseudo-Latin for “reduction to Hitler”; sometimes argumentum ad Hitlerum, “argument to Hitler”, ad Nazium, “to Nazism”), or playing the Nazi card, is an attempt to invalidate someone else’s position on the basis that the same view was held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party, for example: “Hitler was against tobacco smoking, X is against tobacco smoking, therefore X is a Nazi”.
    Coined by Leo Strauss in 1951, reductio ad Hitlerum borrows its name from the term used in logic, reductio ad absurdum (reduction to the absurd). According to Strauss, reductio ad Hitlerum is a form of ad hominem, ad misericordiam, or a fallacy of irrelevance. The suggested rationale is one of guilt by association. It is a tactic often used to derail arguments, because such comparisons tend to distract and anger the opponent, as Hitler and Nazism have been condemned in the modern world.”

    It became a law of the Internet also:
    “Godwin’s law (or Godwin’s rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet adage that asserts that “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1″; that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds. Promulgated by the American attorney and author Mike Godwin in 1990, Godwin’s law originally referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions. It is now applied to any threaded online discussion, such as Internet forums, chat rooms, and comment threads, as well as to speeches, articles, and other rhetoric where reductio ad Hitlerum occurs…
    Godwin has stated that he introduced Godwin’s law in 1990 as an experiment in memetics”.

  241. @Anonymous

    I’m well aware of Peta Credlin and nobody doubts Abbotts ability to screw up all on his own. It is clear that a sure identifier of a false flag operation is a mad rush to insert the false narrative before conflicting accounts emerge. Abbotts immediate claims fit that profile.

    As to the use of the Buk, why use a high altitude weapon when you’re being attacked from low altitude warplanes? Buks cost a lot more than the manpads they used to successfully down other planes just a matter of days earlier. You may think that MH17 was shot down by Russians or pro-Russian Ukrainians, I don’t. Neither of us knows for certain.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  242. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    One off the too infrequent good things said on a UR thread: “Neither of us knows for certain”. As to what I think relatively probable I really would like to get some of the dismissive blowhards to put their money where their mouths are. Say put \$5000 a year into a pot for 20 years and in the 21st yesr have a trusted third party rank the contributors’ predictiins of where the truth had been proven to be on 10 conspiracy theories – with null results where the issue remained where it was in 2018. The pot to be divided between those with the best record of being right or wrong about 9/11, JFK, MH17, the Skripals etc. Any takers? (If the rules were sound I would go for a \$25,000 a year contribution – or more- to a well invested fund to make it worthwhile but that might be a bit hard on some of the regular unemployables like Wally and not a few others who would like to lose some money to me. And yes, merely as probability, I would back the MH17 explanation you mention.

    And BTW I accept the logic of your point that a false flag would be best supported by a deluge of early misleading news in the MSM to make more complicated explanations harder to reach the surface. However, similar cynical logic says there will always be politicians in need of an opportunity to be heard on a big emotional issue, to be seen to get in first, to be strong and decisive etc. All the better for an Australian to be seen as playing in the big league and at the same time not taking any risks in domestic politics.

  243. @Anon

    Arab leaders under the leadership of King Hussein of Jordan parlayed and came up with a resolution to the Kuwait invasion that Saddam had agreed to comply with. They pleaded with Bush to let them handle the situation, that they were in a better position to handle their own neighbors.

    The Berlin wall had just toppled and USA was now the Last Man Standing, the unopposed superpower. Bush had complete freedom of movement, tho Gorbachev also pestered Bush to stay out of the Middle East and let the Arab leaders solve their own conflicts.

    Jeff Engel, founding director of the Center for Presidential History at Southern Methodist University, studied the Bush decision-making process and told an audience at Texas A&M that:

    We should be frank about what moved them to act. It was NOT the argument that Kuwaiti independence mattered much at all.
    Neither was it that Hussein’s particular brand of evil and tyranny required an American response. Nor was Bush persuaded that Iraq’s aggression carried immediate concerns, or that Iraq might someday turn its oil wealth into dangerous weapons of mass destruction.
    Each of these reasons, in time, influenced Bush’s thoughts, his actions and his statements in the months to come.
    None, however, not freedom, evil, human rights, democracy or WMDs affected his thinking in those first fateful days of August.
    Bush was instead, and this is important, Bush was instead persuaded by the growing realization that he stood at a pivot moment in the course of history. . . .

    So the key question I think is WHY? Why did Bush go against decades of American policy, injecting force into a region like never done before? . . .

    I argue Bush took the dramatic step into the Gulf Crisis because he saw it as a bridge to a better world. His New World Order, a phrase unveiled in response to Hussein’s invasion, was not just a catchy phrase; it was rather the culmination of a long and difficult journey of intellectual discovery. . . .

    [The Cold War was over.] During the Spring and Summer of 1990 Bush told Global leaders that their alliance required an enemy to survive. In his words the new enemy was instability itself. . . .

    Bush saw in the Gulf War an opportunity as well as in invasion,. . . a chance to demonstrate that Washington would continue to lead. Leading it in particular towards the kind of world promised to his generation as their reward for service in World War II. . . .
    Ultimately this vision of a new world order based on sovereignty and stability is what drove his thinking when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. In a similar vein he said, “The prospect of a global peace continues to depend on an American forward presence. End quote.


    If the Arabs had solved their own problems, global power would be shared rather than controlled from Washington.

    Engel made this intriguing statement about the decision not to march into Baghdad and topple Saddam in the winter of 1991:

    This was not a discussion within the White House for a very important reason: . . .one of the the ultimate goals beyond the liberation of Kuwait was the removal of Saddam Hussein from power. There was a 100 percent certainty on the part of high level American officials that this was going to happen anyway.
    Saddam Hussain had been embarrassed; his own people rising up against him, his own army was out to get him. If he lived weeks it would have been a shock instead of days. 999 times out of 1,000 I think that is exactly how things would have played out, that Saddam would not have survived.
    Unfortunately from . . . George H. W. Bush’s perspective, Saddam rolled the dice and made it. But I think that given the question and those odds again I suspect they would take the same bet again.

    From this statement, coupled with the history of killing sanctions and no-fly zone over Iraq, it’s reasonable to conclude that Bush Jr.’s follow-on war was inevitable.

    Three more points: First, George H W Bush played an instrumental role in placing Khomeini in the leadership position in Iran early in 1979.

    Second, Bush 41 participated in the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism convened by Benzion and Benjamin Netanyahu in July, 1979. I contend that the blueprint for GWOT was set out at that conference, by the Netanyahus and neocons who dominated the conference.

    Third, maintaining “the International System with USA in charge that has prevailed since World War II” is the overall goal of US neo-liberal foreign policy. A few days ago, Jeffrey Edmonds of the Wilson Center discussed US policy toward Russia. He emphasized that

    The Russians see themselves up against an International Order that they believe seeks to surround and weaken Russia . . . The Russians are trying to to remind us that they have always been a superpower, they believe that they deserve a spot at the table of international affairs.

    Thus, in my view, based on speeches like the above, George H W Bush’s decision to invade Iraq in 1991 was the “pivot to empire” that has defined US foreign policy not only from the inception of the Persian Gulf war to the present day, but, as Engel mentioned, back to the Anglo-Jewish war to destroy then control Western Europe and the Ottoman empire, ramped up by Bush 41 to include Iran and now, to close the circle on Iran and Russia/ the World Island.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @RobinG
    , @Kiza
  244. @Anon

    It is a real shame that this otherwise excellent site allows for cowardly curs such as yourself to make such childish comments under the generic nom de plume Anon, along with so many others who use that non handle. Sure, most of us here do comment anonymously using an online moniker but at least the comments we make are attributed to the actual individual that made it.

    I can see the appeal to you of signing as Anon though, you have nothing of any value to say.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  245. @CanSpeccy

    Indeed Craig Murray’s linked piece does seem to show that the much overused “lie” is appropriate to what Boris Johnson has said. His history of recklessness with truth, as with prudence, I would accept justifies it. Mrs May however, while disappointingly ill equipped to be PM in 2018, has a completely different range of faults and I can still envisage the likelihood of her thinking the advice she had received through staff and senior public servants justified her position with only a little bit of it attributable to ratcheting up the language to sound strong.

  246. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you for a lot of interesting material I was unaware of. I do. notice that it doesn’t really seek to justify what I questioned, namely your equation of Bush father and son in criminality – but I forgive you 🙂

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    , @RobinG
  247. @Anonymous

    I call bullshit on YOUR lies. It was not “bad intelligence”, unless by that you mean falsified “intelligence” purposefully developed to manufacture consent for an unnecessary war that caused the death or displacement of millions of Iraqis, the deaths of some 5000 plus Americans and stole trillions of dollars from the futures of the American people.

    Your pompous condescension doesn’t cut it here, pal. Nobody in important or influential positions thought that Saddam had WMDs, liars like yourself simply said that he did.

    I hope this clears things up for you.

  248. @annamaria

    As you are so well informed on the Russian position in controversial matters I would be interested to get your take on the possibility – introduced I think by Israel Shamir – that “Novichuk” is just part of a Russian charade with intelligence related purposes but nothing much or at all in the way of gas. The possible truth of that surely bears on every aspect of the analysis of what the Brits have said and done, not least if MI6 or Porton Down knew the strange truth.

    I’ m not sure what your point about Israel is. One would expect the Israelis to have pretty sophisticated facilities, mostly for self protection, but….. who knows on this thread how quickly production of nerve gases can be ramped up and weaponised?

    Another but… If you are suggesting that Israel was party to or wholly responsible for the attack on the Skripals, why? Israel would know that Russia would suspect, or even know, that it was Israel that raised the false flag implicating Russia. Why would Israel take the risk? It’s not as though any big gain would be likely to accrue to Israel even if some Israelis would enjoy any pain inflicted on Russia.

  249. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    As you are clearly relying on memory, albeit faulty or with gaps in your knowledge I shall simply give the counter evidence that comes to mind. Richard Butler ,,, later Governor of Tasmania but previously a senior UN weapons inspector was one who publicly declared his belief in Iraq’s WMDs and another was former diplomat and later Australian PM Kevin Rudd. Maybe you wouldn’t count Melanie Phillips or any serious columnnist, but Tony Blair seems to have been another – and even Dr Kelly who did not support the sexing up bits. And do you think Colin Powell lied to the UN or, as CIA head George Tenet said on TV, delivered a brief thoroughly vetted by the CIA**?
    Also on TV George Tenet has said they had poor ME intelligence sources and did believe that Saddam had WMDs so said it was a “slam dunk” to George W. Bush. But then he went on to say something that you would be thrilled to listen to for confirmation: he didn’t think it was critical because the Bush crew had already decided to go. despite the CIA giving no support to the alleged Al Qaeda connection.

    May I suggest you calm down and do your homework and even read what I wrote because you seem to have failed to register that I was one who didn’t suffer from the general groupthink that Saddam had shown he wanted WMDs, was behaving very deviously and obstructively and therefore probably did have them. I remind you that I thought he wanted Iran, inter alia, to believe he had them, which, as you wiill find with just a little homework, was what he affirmed to his FBI interrogaator.

    **Another admission by George Tenet was that Powell was given the bum steer by sheer failure of CIA internal communications – well that was Tenet’s explanation – and so included reference to Iraq having chemical weapons. The trouble was a relevant CIA man in Germany had already warned that the source could and should not be relied on.

  250. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    You take tthe trouble to write in detail so may I ask you to spell out the evidence and your reasons for saying “The zionists ptoclaim their moral superority – and argue for the Oded Yinon plan – on the grounds of being eternally wronged by the Nazis (Shoa biz)”. It is of course something said thousands of times as though it is a truism and the sentiment behind it is stirred in many no doubt every time some Jewish lawyers are trying to get some honestly (enough) bought paintings out of a gallery for the benefit, less fees, of the grandniece of the former owner’s mistress. But who actually says or writes what?

    What is the status of the Oded Yinon “plan”? Is it any more than some rather obvious thoughts about what would help secure Israel’s safety in a hostile environment by a smart young officer nearly 40 years ago? The Balkanisation of nearby Muslim countries is surely a common sense hope of Israelis. (Perhaps not Saudi Arabia while the Saudi royal family is still in precarious control).

  251. @Anon

    I’ll say three Hail Marys.

    not to belabor the issue — I’m afraid I simply presented some ‘evidence’ but failed to construct a full-fledged analysis.

    That analysis would start with Just War theory, especially that War should be a last resort: Arab leaders had produced a workable resolution of the conflict that Bush rejected.

    In my view, that point is sufficient to invalidate Bush 41’s actions.

    Was that a criminal action?
    That’s a difficult question — Bush was careful to surround his invalid (immoral) decision with the trappings of legality — a coalition was built, UN stamp of approval acquired.

    BUT, to sustain the view that the war was legal, you have to agree with Madeleine Albright that the deaths of 500,000 children was “worth the price.”

    Given that the sanctions that brought about the deaths of those children were the direct and intended effect of Bush’s decision to invade Iraq “in order to topple Saddam and also to establish a new World Order – with USA in charge,” and if you do not agree that “the price was worth it,” then there’s a direct line of culpability to George H W Bush for the deaths of those innocents, a war crime.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Anon
  252. Rurik says:

    Thank you for your reply Kiza,

    You are typing as if only Israel and its puppet US matter.

    It’s heartening to read what you’re saying. But I don’t consider Israel or its ZUS frothing dog – rational. The ZUS supported Saudi war on Yemen is not rational. The Kyiv war on Donbas isn’t rational. Ditto the wars on Afghanistan and Syria.

    When those congressmen gush over Bibi, and fulminate over Iran, they’re behaving like children, not rational adults. They’re signaling their sniveling fealty to Israel, and that is not rational, just the opposite. Slavish servility to an overt enemy- who corrupts your government and murders your citizens and then wipes it on your face, is the act of a coward and a criminal, not a rational adult. So I’m just not too confident that when the time came for John Bolton to demand ZUS sovereignty over the Persian Gulf, for instance, including the Straights of Hormuz, and Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights, and for Putin to vacate Crimea, of any number of psychotic provocations, (leading of course to more wars for Israel), it isn’t Russia’s or China’s national interests and statecraft that I’m worried about. Rather its the fevered delusions of the Zionist psychos, for whom no limit of dead Iranians or Russians or Chinese, and certainly not American goyim, will ever sate their insane megalomania. Indeed, the more goyim slaughtered, the happier they are.

    So for me it all boils down to one thing. Israel. And I just pray that Putin’s Russia (and China and others) all let Israel know that if the ZUS (Israel’s rabid dog) again gets off the leash, and starts maneuvering to destroy Iran, then it will be the end of Israel. Because that is all they understand.

    They’d let the ZUS crash and burn a thousand times if they figured it would bolster Israel’s fortunes. There isn’t a neocon on the planet that doesn’t harbor a visceral hatred for the American people. Why not let it all burn to the ground, and simply move to Germany or Switzerland or Paris to rule from, as the ZUS descends into ruin. They’d still be able to milk what’s left of her economy, just from a distant perch. Jamie Dimon and Lloyde Blankfien don’t have to live in the States to loot Wall Street. They can do it just as easily from London. And 99% of all the congressmen would be willing to see America plunged into the mire of world war, if it meant they personally would prosper.

    Do you think that US generals are so dumb to expose themselves to such big losses?

    I suspect that if they’ve risen to the rank of general, then they’re probably political animals, (whores IOW), and they if they’ve been tapped to lead, then it’s only because they’re known psychopaths. I don’t put much stock in the generals.

    the more resistance there will be among those who will be supposed to bleed and die

    Well, I have to admit that it is very refreshing, and encouraging to read (Kiza of all people!) suggesting that there’s something redeemable in the American people. And I suspect you’re right, that not too many Americans are willing anymore to suit up their children to die in wars for Israel. So that’s where the next 9/11 type false flag comes in. A suitcase nuke or something.

    Instead of worrying about some scumbag’s appointment, you need to ask yourself – what kind of false-flag would they need to organise to get the very expensive war on Iran?

    Yes, exactly!

    a dirty nuclear bomb explosion in some US city with Iranian passports found on the spot

    Perhaps it’s because I read your post earlier and now I’m sort of parroting your points, or we both see the exact same nature of the Fiend.

    but goyim are slowly getting wiser and wiser and start to wake up quicker and quicker.

    Again, it’s refreshing to see you write as the defender of the sheople.

    But if the goyim were really worth their salt, they’d actually be at war right now, only not with Russia or Iran, but with the treasonous scum in Washington, DC.

    This nation does have very real enemies that are a dire and existential threat to our future and well being, but it isn’t Putin or the mullahs. Rather it’s the zio-scum like John Bolton, who threaten not just Iran and Russia, but the very future of this republic as well, for whom their deranged fanaticism for Israel’s hegemony, has cost untold trillions, thousands upon thousands of young American lives, our moral character, and our very soul as a nation and a people, as we’re forced to march around the world as a drooling demon, mass-murdering and torturing and destroying entire nation, after nation.

    John Bolton (like John McCain and all the other treasonous, satanic scum and Israeli-first enemies of the American people) need to be repudiated and harangued off the stage, at the very least. (I’d prefer to see them tried and hanged as war criminals, but we don’t always get what we want ; )

    Anyways, they need to be tarred and feathered, not appointed to National Security Advisor, where they’ll be once again in a position to murder innocent people (who’re potentially inconvenient to Israel) and to do even more evil in our name.

    • Agree: Kiza, ChuckOrloski
  253. RobinG says:

    As always, I appreciate your reminder of 1991, Bush Sr., Desert Storm. But your argument could be sharper, not left open to 436’s patronizing forgiveness. In all his rumination, Engel makes no mention of “Viet Nam Syndrome” and Bush’s desire for a splashy, winnable war – to rebuild the confidence [arrogance, hubris] of a demoralized America. I.E., laying waste some foreign land is OK, if it makes mob feel better.

    For a splashy victory, you need to engineer a convincing war. Iraq had a legitimate grievance. [Don’t address it!!!] Lure Saddam into the trap!

    In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did.”

    Fabricate horrid accusations – incubator babies thrown on the floor – to rile up the masses.
    Annamaria has written much better about this. I’m out of time.

  254. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Thanks for the suggestion for me to strike an acquaintance with someone in the elite. Thanks, but no, thanks. I am fastidious. Besides, I am not equipped to deal with people who have no ethical scruples, so my strategy is to stay away from them.
    As to Iraqi WMD, you did not present any evidence that I misread the situation in 2003. You presented the words some people said in public. These statements do not necessarily mean that they believed what they said. Besides, beliefs without proof should be confined to churches, mosques, and synagogues, not drive public policy. The people who engage in murder on the basis of their beliefs we call terrorists, for a good reason.
    Personally, I agree that those who started the Iraq war in 2003 are terrorists. I would love to see Bush Jr, Cheney, Blair, Rumsfeld, and the rest of the gang incarcerated indefinitely at Guantanamo and water-boarded there. I am sure even Cuban government wouldn’t begrudge the US that territory if it were to be used for such a noble purpose.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  255. RobinG says:

    Didn’t you notice? Thanks to Ron, it’s now 436 [Anon 436] – a distinct marker if not moniker.

  256. Rurik says:

    From your link:

    Bolton, who has been described by a former George W. Bush official as “the most dangerous man we had during the entire eight years,” will undoubtedly have a problem in getting confirmed by Congress. He was rejected as U.N. Ambassador, requiring Bush to make a recess appointment which did not need Congressional approval.

    I guess we’ll see..

    I suppose it’s possible he appointed the maggot knowing he would never be confirmed

    hope springs eternal

  257. RobinG says:

    Stephen M. Walt:

    “First, we never accused Glaspie of diplomatic incompetence, and we certainly didn’t “pile on.” Here’s what we actually said in our 2003 piece:

    In a now famous interview with the Iraqi leader, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam, ‘[W]e have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait.’ The U.S. State Department had earlier told Saddam that Washington had ‘no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait.’ The United States may not have intended to give Iraq a green light, but that is effectively what it did.”

    Notice that we offered no opinion on whether Glaspie was free-lancing, mis-reading Saddam, or simply following orders from Washington. Our article was focused on the issue of whether Saddam was deterrable, and the key issue that concerned us about the Glaspie meeting was whether she had conveyed a clear deterrent threat to Saddam, or whether she might have unintentionally given him reason to think he could go ahead and absorb Kuwait without facing a strong military response from the United States.

    Second, a careful reading of the cable suggests that Saddam could have easily interpreted Glaspie’s conversation, along with other statements by U.S. officials, as a sign that the United States was not strongly committed to protecting Kuwait. For starters, the cable makes it clear that Saddam is at the end of his rope. He spends much of the conversation reciting a long list of grievances, and though his manner is described as “cordial, reasonable, and even warm,” he repeatedly accuses the United States of having malign intentions toward Iraq. For example, the cable refers to one of his “main points” being that the “USG maneuvers with the UAE and Kuwait. . .[and] encouraged them in their ungenerous policies.” And he makes it clear that his patience is not unlimited: “Iraqi rights, Saddam emphasized, will be restored one by one, thought it may take a month or much
    more than a year.” He also speaks of the “pride” of Iraqis, whom he says believe in “liberty or death,” and he warns that Iraq “will have to respond if the US uses these methods.” He adds that “Iraq knows the USG can send planes and rockets and hurt Iraq deeply,” but he “asks that the USG not force Iraq to the point of humiliation at which logic must be disregarded.”

    How does Glaspie respond to Saddam’s litany of grievances, complaints, and not-very-veiled threats?

    Her very first point in response is to thank him for the opportunity to discuss these matters directly, and she then says that “President Bush, too, wants friendship.” Her next point is to tell Saddam that “the President had instructed her to broaden and deepen our relations with Iraq,” and she reminds Saddam that though “some circles” might oppose that policy, “the U.S. administration is instructed by the President.” And then she adds that “what is important is that the President has very recently reaffirmed his desire for a better relationship” and he has shown that desire by opposing some sanctions bills.

    In short, her initial response to Saddam is to try to reassure him of America’s friendly intentions, and to try to convince him that his suspicions are mistaken. It also seems clear that Glaspie is simply following the instructions she had been given.

    Having begun by seeking to mollify Saddam, it is only then that Glaspie raises any concerns about what Iraq might be contemplating. Yet even here, she begins by first “stressing President Bush’s desire for friendship” and his desire for “for peace and stability in the Middle East. And then — finally — she expresses concern about bellicose statements by Saddam and his foreign minister and the movement of Republican Guard units. According to the cable, she asks: “Is it not reasonable for the U.S. to ask, in a spirit of friendship, not confrontation, the simple question: What are your intentions?” ”

    • Replies: @Anon
  258. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi S2C,

    I was wondering who benefited from the 1991 Kuwait Liberation.

    Coalition of the Willing kicked in money, and to some surprise I learned South Korea gave \$ 250 million.

    I saw no evidence of an Israeli financial contribution, but I did manage to learn that Israel got some post-Desert \$torm “bennies.”

    For decades, Kuwait maintained a boycott of imports from Israel. However, after the Coalition’s liberation from Iraqi occupation (1991), Kuwait relaxed its trade policies so that Israeli companies (previously boycotted) were permitted to do business in Kuwait.”

    My opinion that “Hitler” Saddam Hussein was an Anglo-American/Israeli Empire team-player is unchanged. No people suffered more than Iraqis under Saddam’s rule.

    Thanks, S2C.

    • Replies: @L.K
  259. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:

    The 1/2 brother of the North Korean leader was killed by a nerve agent smeared on his face in an airport and apparemly no one else was injured, so I think Giraldi is probably wrong in his assessments.

    Frankly, if Russia did not do it, one would have to guess that it knows who did.

    Russia lies. All countries do, but Russia lies a lot.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  260. L.K says:

    Hey Chuck,

    Saddam was, for a while, one of Zamerica’s sons of bitches… then, for various reasons, most having to do with Israel, he had to go.

    Anyway, have you seen the recent results from this Pew Research survey re the Iraq war of 2003?

    Fifteen years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March 2003, the American public is divided over whether using military force was the right decision.

    Nearly half (48%) of Americans say the decision to use military force was wrong, while slightly fewer (43%) say it was the right decision, according to a Pew Research Center survey, conducted March 7-14 among 1,466 adults. Current opinions about the war in Iraq are little different than in early 2014, when 50% said the decision to use force was wrong and 38% said it was right.

    Bottom line is, zamericans have too little skin in the game… sure, these wars cost trillions of dollars, but given the situation of Dollar Imperialism, it is still manageable…

    Fighting against the Taliban militia and a broken Iraq starting in 2003 has a human cost in terms of US military personnel kia and wia, but given the relative weakness of the opposition, these casualties have so far been manageable too. It would be a different story if ZUSA had been losing men at the rate they did in Vietnam.

    Then again, after Vietnam, the deep state understood that what they needed for wars of empire, was a contract military. Against weak opponents in particular, this has kind of worked, so far…
    Most zamericans do not serve… they can just say ‘thanks for your service’ and go on with their lives.
    The draft should be reinstated in the ZUS.
    Then you would see zamericans start paying attention.

    take care

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @ChuckOrloski
  261. Hi All, including adversaries,

    This comment will not win me any allies here but something need be said.

    Desert Storm. Hm. No choice but to fight this one, right?

    All the shady wars where USrael got involved since World War I are open for intense examination (& skepticism) by politically astute U.R. commenters. But not so for the sacred Desert Storm. Why?

    I understand today how some Americans are flushed with a mixture of both joy & dismay as President Trump hesitated to veto the \$1 trillion spending bill because of the need to keep ZUS’s military the galaxy’s mightiest. (Note: Year 1979, the U.S. national deficit hit the \$1 trillion plateau)

    So to help break the maddening monotony of this evening’s serving of “Real Fake Network News,” linked (below) is a very enlightening documentary (2000) titled “Hidden Wars of Desert Storm,” Part 1 of 7. Although they have absolutely zero worries, those in the ZUS “Lowerachy”would rather dumb goyim skip the documentary.

    BAIT — One gets a clear picture of how “Hitler” Saddam Hussein came to power in Iraq (1968) and who helped him get such a good job!
    SWITCH — At any moment, you can turn off “Hidden Wars of Desert Storm” and disarm “March Madness.”

    Thanks, All!

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @RobinG
  262. RobinG says:

    This is very strange from you –

    “All the shady wars ….. since World War I are open for intense examination …… But not so for the sacred Desert Storm.”

    In this very thread, S2C and I have condemned Desert Storm, as has annamaria many times, and others of course.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  263. @RobinG

    RobinG said to me: “This is very strange from you –”

    Hi RobinG,

    School bus drivers & CIA dictators get strange, and come out of the April Glaspie-rain, “when they’re alone.”

    Thank you for noticing!

  264. Miro23 says:

    Most zamericans do not serve… they can just say ‘thanks for your service’ and go on with their lives.
    The draft should be reinstated in the ZUS. Then you would see zamericans start paying attention.

    Have to agree with this. Nothing matters until it becomes personal – and military service is great way to make things personal. When ME wars can kill your children, ME wars are not such a good idea.

    • Agree: Rurik, RobinG
  265. Kiza says:

    Ok, it is interesting information regarding the considerations of the US war criminals. But you are missing to mention one aspect which is quite relevant in my view – US simply needs war. This is why war will never be the last option, always the first option, as long as the target cannot pay back. The main danger is that the US war criminals will get carried away and hit someone who can pay back, where they and the UK war criminals are going now.

  266. Miro23 reflected & said: “military service is great way to make things personal. When ME wars can kill your children, ME wars are not such a good idea.”

    Agreed, Miro.

    But ZUS Command wisely hesitates to fight M.E. wars that require a draft.

    Respectfully, Miro, please rethink? A draft to fight Afghanistan, the only war that’s approved to date by our waffling ZUS Congress? Likely LAPD could disable Niger?


    Now, I am inclined to figure that an USrael draft would be necessary to do war against Superpowers Russia and perhaps China. Agree?

    However, I hope future draftees (“Neo-Fresh Meat) have an ass kickin’ Mad Dog Mattis who can motivate the homeboys to storm Black Sea beaches while Russian nuclear warheads are raining down.


  267. @L.K

    Thus spake L.K.: “after Vietnam, the deep state understood that what they needed for wars of empire, was a contract military. Against weak opponents in particular, this has kind of worked…”

    Agreed, L.K..

    So far, blushed with success, the ZUS “contract military” works! That will pass.

    “zamericans” are socialized to enjoy the strongman beating upon the weak. That idiocy too shall pass.


    Selah, vanity of vanities, the passing of RUSEgate.

  268. annamaria says:

    The consensus among sane people is that the Skipals were attacked either by MOSSAD (out of visceral hatred for the Russians doing noble things in Syria) or by a Ukrainian banderite or by some colleague-in-spooking of Skripal.
    The Syrian army has found 40 tons of poisonous materials that were in possession of “moderate freedom fighters” (ISIS/Daesh) supported by Israel and the US. And was not the “1/2 brother of the North Korean leader ” hated by ziocon stink-tanks? Israel has been involved in numerous assassinations in various countries. Israel did not ratify the international treaties re bio- and chemical weapons. Israel is a country of mediocre intelligence (IQ=95, below Mongolia, Poland, Canada and more) and of undeveloped moral fiber.
    Yout assessment of the Giraldi’s paper proves beyond reasonable doubt that you are a hasbarist on this forum.

  269. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    I think your scepticism about the actual beliefs of the many who declared a belief in the WMDs should be tempered by consideration of the use of expert witnesses in court cases to persuade judge or jury to believe something – in criminal cases “beyond reasonable doubt”. I am sure you could on reflection find many stated beliefs of politicians who don’t want to sound like temporising philosophers that are based on supposedly expert evidence/advice. Then you mix in their subconscious avoidance of cognitive dissonance and conscious desire not to lie and you may agree with me that the tribal belief of many of our leaders was that the tricky Saddam hadn’t got rid of WMDs.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  270. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you Lord Solon, I think we will leave this in your capable hands to get up a suitable resolution of reproof at the world Council of Churches and the International Interfaith Union rather than divert our resources to establishing new legal precedents.

    And BTW wasn’t it international sanctions AFTER the US and UN’s technically legal, if not just, war that caused the 500,000 deaths?

  271. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Thank you. I am familiar with that tale of incompetence but it doesn’t have much bearing on the question of legality, especially No. 41’s alleged criminality.

    BTW Saddam could jyst have got out of Kuwait quick smart once he saw the forces against him assembling. It’s not a Bush’s fault that he may have thought that would mean the end of him at the hands of his army.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  272. RobinG says:

    Genocidal sanctions that target civilians are war crimes. [War crimes are illegal, BTW.] Daddy Bush started that. He may escape justice, but GHW tops a long list of creeps who deserve eternal torture. Then there’s that special kind of pretentious and rationalizing creep. Don’t thank me.

    Hidden Wars of Desert Storm Part 4 of 7

    • Agree: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Anon
  273. RobinG says:

    This is a really excellent documentary, Chuck. Thanks for posting.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  274. Nowhere do I hear about the five Russian diplomats who died from dubious causes last year.
    Nor is there any talk about the Russian ambassador Karlov assassinated late 2016 in Ankara, Turkey.
    The assassination had been perpetrated by a pawn of the NATO-Gladio act that is the “Fetullah Sect” (this sect is also the culprit for the US sanctioned coup attempt in Turkey in 2016, and its leader still lives in Pennsylvania under CIA control).
    Who ordered the assassination of ambassador Karlov?

  275. @RobinG

    Hi RobinG,

    You are welcome, my pleasure.

    Ideally, I hope serious U.R. thinker/commenters can understand my point that Saddam Hussein’s relationship with the CIA was like a yo-yo, “up and down,” and he played the dual role of villain & “go to” mad dictator as required by American-Israeli Empire’s relentless M.E. planning for Greater Israel.

    Full disclosure, RobinG: Prior to Baghdad’s highly advertised & catastrophic “Shock & Awe” liberation event, I believe the evil man of “20 Doubles,” Saddam Hussein, slipped out of town.

    Condemned by Pope of Rome, his “execution” (w/o trial) was uncivilized, and who really knows? At present, the highly experienced Saddam may be still on-the-CIA payroll, behind the lines of course, and helping coordinate future advantageous anti-Israeli operations.

    Thanks for watching the very informative documentary, 1 of 7. Others here might do so.

  276. AnonFromTN [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Anon from TN
    Don’t you think we are nitpicking here, whereas there are several elephants in the room:
    1. Beliefs, even sincere ones, have no room in public policy unless supported by hard evidence.
    2. People who engage in murder on the basis of their beliefs are terrorists.
    3. Invasion and occupation of a sovereign country w/o UN approval is a major breach of the international law. It is called aggression.
    4. Mass murder of civilians is a war crime even when committed in the course of a legitimate war.
    The rest is simply irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  277. annamaria says:

    The root of evil:
    “…in Tony Blair’s book, he mentioned going down—before England chose to side with the Bush administration in the Iraq War—that he went down to the Crawford ranch to meet with Bush, and it was Netanyahu who met him.”
    The US is zionized.

  278. annamaria succinctly summarized the entire catastophe: “The US is zionized.”

    Hi annamaria,

    That is why Americans get time-tested Israeli-loyalist, John Bolton, as N.S.A. Director!

    What’s more of course, the same goes for USrael President “Bonespur” Trump and Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, etcetera.

    The administration’s Anointed possess neither special genius / talent nor are they required to demonstrate a traditional record of “statesmanship” characteristics in order to get promoted into an important USrael “Executive Branch” position.

    To tellingly paraphrase a W. Bush edict, “You are either totally for The Chosen or you are totally for Amelekites.”

    Washed a little, Erik Prince could become (black) head of the JCOS.

    Thanks, annamaria.

    * another thanks out to “President Bonespur’s” original namer, J. St. Clair.

  279. annamaria says:

    The ziocons’ gift to humanity:
    “The Wolfowitz doctrine [1992] states that the US’s primary goal is “to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union.” The doctrine stresses that “this is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to general global power.” In the Middle East and Southwest Asia, Washington’s “overall objective is to remain the predominant outside power in the region and preserve US and Western access to the region’s oil.” The doctrine also states that the US will act to restrain India’s alleged “hegemonic aspirations” in South Asia, and warns of potential conflicts requiring military intervention with Cuba and China.
    By “threat” Wolfowitz does not mean a military threat. By “threat” he means a multi-polar world that constrains Washington’s unilateralism. The doctrine states that the US will permit no alternative to US unilateralism. The doctrine is a statement that Washington intends hegemony over the entire world. There has been no repudiation of this doctrine.”

  280. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Yes but… relevance depends on the question and thd forum. And if someone is accused of using WMDs as an excuse without believing they existed the truth of that must be relevant for the person who raises it – unless they are themselves careless with the truth.

  281. Scott Ritter was in Iraq searching for evidence and he made it clear there was none. Hans Blix made it clear that nothing had been found and he’d need more time to look if anything was to be found.

    The intelligence wasn’t so much “bad” as it was faked, forged and fraudulent “evidence” purposely used to manufacture the intelligence. Funny how the matter of who faked the bogus letter claiming Iraq was seeking yellowcake from Niger was never followed up on, to this day as far as I know. Funny how the US deep state went after Joe Wilson and his wife for daring to bring some actual truth into the matter of the “evidence” for going to war.

    Remember the weather balloon trucks misclassified as mobile weapons labs? The fakery goes on and on.

    The Downing St memo makes it clear in simple English that going to war was decided in advance and that “the facts were being fixed around the policy”. It was liars who claimed Saddam was trying to obtain or already had WMD so why are you trying to sell your fraudulent version of events?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  282. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Can you enlarge on your “genocidal sanctions that target civilians are war crimes”? It sounds like something a commentator might say on CNN without an interviewer askung for elucidation of each word and its matching up with treaty or UN resolution provisions and case law, but I do ask for that. The deaths of civilians in Iraq were as usual a result of decisions made and repeated by Saddam’s government so in what sense can the sanctions be said arguably to be legally genocidal? That requires specific motive does it not?

    • Troll: RobinG
    • Replies: @annamaria
  283. Anonymous[436] • Disclaimer says:

    Obviously there were people with differing levels of understanding of the evidence (much of which we know was dodgy and from dodgy sources), some of whom were quite unconcerned at what the truth was about the WMDs because, for reasons that still defy belief (not all the same I guess) the Bush team (and the execrable Tony Blair for what that mattered) had decided to invade Iraq.

    I have no motive or reason attached to any version though I am happy to boast of my accurate insight that Saddam wanted his enemies to believe he had WMDs but very likely didn’t (I confess to having offered Saddam’s pretence as some kind of moral or even legal justification for the invasion without of course making it a good idea).

    I have just recalled that lot of lefties who supported the invasion (including Christopher Hitchens). I don’t know what they thought or said about WMDs but I recall that the high minded stuff about the “Responsibility to Protect” was rising to the height of unrealistic fashion and it is easy to see how some of the nastier motives in the Bush team were linked up with the kind that decent people like Colin Powell might support.

    I have, by the way, just been chatting with the co-author of a book with one of the more forceful Foreign Ministers of relevant times and he confirms my personal recollection that many of the great and good believed that Saddam still had WMDs – though I would want to fudge it a bit by supposing that there was an element of “well he certainly would like to have them” in their thinking. And why would a well connected writer like Melanie Phillips show herself such a passionate believer in the WMDs that she supported, late in the day, the notion that Saddam really did have them but shipped them to Syria? (On a side trail of memory…A friend of mine who did an important job in Iraq in 2003 has/had pinned on his refrigerator a note signed by Saddam ordering the Iraqi central bank’s physical foreign exchange reserves to be shipped to Syria! My Arabic isn’t up to checking.)

    So what’s this “fraudulent version” you think someone is trying to sell? Aren’t you content that a lot of people who should have known better fooled themselves or were fooled by liars, fantasists and wishful thinkers? That should surely satisfy your view of the world and how much cleverer and more honest you are than all those who have weaseled their way into positions of power and influence.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  284. The following is an article in the FT by Simon Kuper who seems to be better informed than most of us on this thread:

    I’ve just finished writing a book that took me into the world of Russian-British double agents during the cold war. I watched these people hop between countries, haunt British prime ministers and (if they were Russians) get killed. (British traitors, especially posh ones, usually walked away scot-free.)

    Little has changed today. Russian double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia are lying critically ill in Salisbury, weeks after being attacked with a Soviet-era nerve agent. The former Soviet secret policeman Vladimir Putin is recreating the world that shaped him: cold-war spying. Putin can manipulate us because he has learnt that in espionage, it’s not generally the secrets that matter. It’s the reaction of the public, media and politicians whenever spies are exposed to the light.


    For two countries that didn’t have much to do with each other until rich Russians colonised central London this century, Russia and the UK have long engaged in vast mutual spying. But most of it was useless. British double agents such as Kim Philby and Guy Burgess often complained that the Soviets ignored their finds. Many of the British documents that Burgess gave the KGB weren’t even translated into Russian.

    One problem was paranoia. You can recruit a traitor, but you can never trust him. The KGB always suspected a golden double agent like Philby of being a British plant.

    Even when the Soviets believed a piece of intelligence, it tended to get lost. Sometimes the suitcases full of British secrets were too overwhelming. Sometimes intelligence got fragmented or distorted as it was passed up the KGB’s hierarchy. And if the information displeased the boss, it was usually ditched.

    Most fatefully, in 1941, Richard Sorge, a Soviet agent in Tokyo, repeatedly warned the Kremlin that Germany would soon invade the USSR. On May 15 he predicted that the invasion would come on June 20-22. But Sorge’s information displeased the boss: Stalin was then still in alliance with Germany. (Famously, Hitler was said to be the only person he trusted.) Stalin dismissed Sorge as “a little shit who has set himself up with some small factories and brothels in Japan”. The German invasion on June 22 stunned the USSR.

    Khrushchev and Brezhnev weren’t always guided by intelligence either. But Margaret Thatcher was similarly sceptical, much though she loved some individual bits of intelligence, writes the former British ambassador to Moscow, Rodric Braithwaite, in his book Armageddon and Paranoia. Braithwaite explains that spying is useful for finding specific secrets: a chemical formula for the atom bomb, say. But he says it rarely helps unravel the bigger issue of the opponent’s intentions. For instance, in the 1980s neither Soviet nor western spies foresaw that the rival power would decide to co-operate in dismantling the cold war.

    Anyway, most secrets are already out there somewhere, on obscure technical websites, or page 437 of an academic’s unread book. In short, spies’ discoveries almost never shape government policy. The world of espionage is not so much a treasure chest, more a junk shop whose proprietor has lost track of his stock. Spies, says spy novelist John le Carré, “provide second-rate intelligence whose lure lies in the gothic secrecy of its procurement, rather than its intrinsic worth”.

    That gothic secrecy is indeed key. Any activity shrouded in mystery is going to fascinate the public. So spies make the biggest impact when they surface from their underworld. Every time a British official was exposed as a Soviet spy — a regular, almost ritualised event in the period 1946-1963 — Britons’ trust in their society crumbled further. British spooks began to look at each other and wonder, “Are you a KGB agent?”

    Anxiety inside British intelligence spiralled into paranoid mole-hunting by “Spycatcher” Peter Wright, which almost tore apart the intelligence services in the 1960s and 1970s. Wright grew obsessed with unmasking senior British politicians as Soviet agents. And so traitors like Philby created paranoid dysfunction inside the British state — not by all their hours of passing secrets to their handlers on London buses, but by the unintentional act of being exposed.

    Similarly, in 2016 the Russian hack of the US Democratic National Committee’s dreary emails probably added nothing to the Kremlin’s understanding of the US. The hack mattered only because the Russians (via Wikileaks) made the material public. American media did the rest. Russia had upgraded from secrets-gathering to information warfare. The drip-drip of stories arguably swung the presidential election. Then the exposure of Russia’s role (against Russian wishes) helped polarise Americans further.

    Now, again, the attack on the superannuated minor double agent Skripal is chiefly a public statement. Russia is telling Britons: we can kill with impunity in your country, and it’s telling powerful Russians in Britain, we can kill you. Because spies fascinate the public, the message is heard. (Previous mysterious deaths of Russian non-spies in Britain passed almost unnoticed.) Russia’s paranoia-creation has become more deliberate. Russian espionage — like so much else in Russian behaviour abroad – is morphing into a branch of public relations. Nowadays, Russian spies are meant to be seen.

    If you are a subscriber and would like to receive alerts when Simon’s articles are published, just click the button “add to myFT”, which appears at the top of this page beside the author’s name. Not a subscriber? Follow Simon on @KuperSimon or email him at [email protected]

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  285. @Anonymous

    Fraudulent – Involving deception. Glad to help you out there.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  286. Does the Australian ABC count as MSM that lies for the Deep State?

    Consider this interview/discussion:

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  287. RobinG says:

    Used my Troll button on 436. Pretending to be dense, requesting definitions, probably qualifies as “wordslaying.”

    (Rhymes with manslaying. Just heard a cop describe the “what’s an assault weapon” argument as wordslaying.)

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  288. annamaria says:

    The massive deaths of civilians in Iraq were the result of decisions made in the DC. The decisions were heavily influenced by the Lobby, oilmen, and MIC.
    “The Lancet medical journal’ 2006 study estimated that about 600,000 Iraqis were killed in the first 40 months of war and occupation in Iraq, along with 54,000 nonviolent but still war-related deaths.
    Based on advice from their scientific advisers, British government officials privately admitted that the 2006 Lancet report was “likely to be right,” but precisely because of its legal and political implications, the U.S. and British governments led a cynical campaign to discredit it.
    A 2015 report by Physicians for Social Responsibility, Body Count: Casualty Figures After 10 Years of the “War on Terror”, found the 2006 Lancet study more reliable than other mortality studies conducted in Iraq, citing its robust study design, the experience and independence of the research team, the short time elapsed since the deaths it documented and its consistency with other measures of violence in occupied Iraq.
    In June 2007, a British polling firm, Opinion Research Business (ORB), conducted a further study and estimated that 1,033,000 Iraqis had been killed by then.
    Taking ORB’s estimate of 1.033 million killed by June 2007, then applying a variation of Just Foreign Policy’s methodology from July 2007 to the present using revised figures from Iraq Body Count, we estimate that 2.4 million Iraqis have been killed since 2003 as a result of our country’s illegal invasion, with a minimum of 1.5 million and a maximum of 3.4 million.”
    “The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy:”
    And don’t forget this assessment by Madeleine Albright:

    • Replies: @Anon
  289. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:

    I don’t want to get into a discussion beyond my original limited point or question and this seems to have strayed from suggestions of genocidal sanctions somehow attributable to No.41 to collateral damsge from a misbegotten war started by No. 43.

  290. @RobinG

    Calling Anon 436 a troll is actually paying it a compliment. This individual is here to intentionally cast doubt and confusion, but it’s great that most Unz commenters can see through such types like looking at cling film. The depth and substance is about the same.

  291. Surely a Soviet era nerve agent would have degraded long ago? Perhaps that’s why this particular “nerve agent” has merely made the victims feel a bit poorly.

    The real clues here are the frantic rush to judgement, the total absence of any credible evidence, including corpses, and the over the top hysterical reactions coming from all levels involved. I know a PR campaign when I see one and others do too.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Philip Owen
  292. denk says:

    Smoking gun…..

    • LOL: Rurik
  293. @NoseytheDuke

    Nice to see you haven’t lost your usual confidence. (Fair point btw, perhaps, about the degradation of Soviet era chemicals).

    You recognise a PR campaign but might it be a supremely arrogant one by the Kremlin not only putting poor little post-Imperial/post-EU Britain in its place (softening it up for some minor concession to be ovefvalued later) but warning all enemies that they are not safe in the UK?

  294. @NoseytheDuke

    Browder was certainly ready to go.

  295. Seraphim says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Is not ABC funded by the state? The editorial independence of ABC is history.

  296. @Seraphim

    Why do you say that? What do you know beyond some simple a priori presumption about a corporation with no shareholders and whose board – generally recognised as having little control over journalistic and editorial staff – is appointed by successive governments for overlapping terms?

    Government ministers and backbench MPs of all parties have frothed at the mouth over the ABC’s broadcasts. Have you followed the Emma Alberici nonsense?

  297. This has quite a few links which might add something

    I saw this on the BBC and thought you might like to see it:

    Spy poisoning: Russian diplomats expelled across US and Europe –

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  298. @Wizard of Oz

    One possibility not mentioned in all our amateur speculations is that there is secret intelligence like the Bletchley House sigint of WW2 and similar US cracking of Japanese codes. Maybe the inside knowledge afforded by the Panama Papers is nothing. Maybe MI6, the CIA and/or other intelligence organisations have certain or near certain knowledge of Putin’s or close allies involvement. Obviously they would not say so. But the those getting British or American sigint or, given the corruption in Russia, stolen/copied documents, may have been able to tell their EU NATO counterparts that they assess the evidence as adding up to 95+ % probability that the Russians did it. Then their allies, assuming that the Brits, and probably Americans, would be very loathe to risk their future credibility on something likely to be falsified one day, have accepted the advice. After all they can see all the objections put up by various commentators here so presumably think they have solider reasons for their decisions. Obviously it is not conclusive but it is rational and simple. Maybe Ockham’s Razor favours it.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @CanSpeccy
  299. @Seraphim

    The oddly named “Liberal” government has stacked the board with Rupert Murdoch acolytes in the last few years and now “our ABC” is actually theirs. It was pretty good once but much like the BBC, it’s really just a mouthpiece for TPTB.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  300. @Wizard of Oz

    Britain and America not only have no future credibility to risk, they have no present credibility either.

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  301. @NoseytheDuke

    You will note Seraphim that NtD doesn’t sctually suggest that the ABC board hss much control over what tbe broadcasters say and show. He would be hardpressed to demonstrate that the ABC followed the line of any recognisable nonjournalistic body of powerful people. But you might be misled by the supposed Rupert Murdoch connection. An 86 year old who rarely visits Australia now is an unlikely major influence. Ah, but those appointments! Yes “Australian” columnist Janet Albrechtsen used to be on the board and complained that she had b-all influence. But now you cam see from

    from which this is one typical link

    that there is now no one with a CV with past or present links to Murdoch.

    My beef with the ABC is that it spends taxpayers’ money on a 24 hour TV news service which is totally unnecessary. If I wanted news at 3 am I might go first to the ABC or BBC but I wouldn’t bother about TV. Online or radio would suffice.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  302. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Maybe MI6, the CIA and/or other intelligence organisations have certain or near certain knowledge of Putin’s or close allies involvement. Obviously they would not say so. But the those getting British or American sigint or, given the corruption in Russia, stolen/copied documents, may have been able to tell their EU NATO counterparts that they assess the evidence as adding up to 95+ % probability that the Russians did it.

    So folks, just place your trust in the politicians who in your hearts you know do what’s absolutely best for you, like bringing on World War III, for example.

    The fact that the incident in Salisbury occurred days before the Russian Presidential election has of course nothing to do with it.

    The fact that the incident in Salisbury occurred just a couple of months before Russia is to host the World cup has of course nothing to do with it.

    The fact that the incident in Salisbury occurred in the months leading up to completion of the NordStream II gas line to deliver Russian natural gas to North Western Europe, a project that US interests still seek to block to the benefit of US exporters of liquefied natural gas, a surplus byproduct of oil fracking, has of course nothing to do with it.

    The fact that Trump is looking for a pretext for war on Iran is, obviously, not to be thought about.

    The fact that Putin has no reason to seek war, certainly not now while Russia and China are still in a race to surpass the US in arms both quantitatively and qualitatively, is of course irrelevant.

    No, obviously, Putin decided that since now was the worst possible time to murder a Russian spy — a man already pardoned by the Russian state — using a terror weapon with Russia’s signature on it, on foreign soil, then this was obviously the best time since no one would believe the Russians to be that damn stupid. Trouble is, everyone is so damn stupid that they really do think the Russians to be that damn stupid.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  303. @CanSpeccy

    Yep, how can we get all those US lackeys throughout Europe and beyond to read CanSpeccy so they can either (or both) smarten up and/or realise how easily really smart people can see the truths they obfuscate 🙂

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @CanSpeccy
  304. @NoseytheDuke

    The short answer to that is that the answer is nothing like as absolute as “NO” credibility. The actions of EU and other nations wrt expulsions of Russians are pretty good proofs of that though I can also envisage other UR thread explanations.

    BTW I am inclined to blame inept US policy and actions since 1991 for most of the problems with Russia snd China, though a EU which could inflict the Eurozone pain has to be a major a priori suspect.

  305. @Wizard of Oz

    ABC MD Michelle Guthrie?

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  306. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    You’re quick with a sneer Wizzer, but you lack an argument.

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  307. @CanSpeccy

    And where was your argument? Just an implication that we should draw certain conclusions from your sneeringly expressed assertions from which the inference apparently didn’t require argument.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  308. @NoseytheDuke

    One bulls eye. But the rest of the clip missed the target.

    Granted that the CEO – especially if she has the Staff representative on side – may have more clout than all the rest of the board put together (NB no danger of being sued unlike private corporate directors) – isn’t she notoriously disappointing to those you might think of as her sponsors?

  309. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    And since the Wiz mentions it, here is a link to the article on my blog to which he must be referring:

    Salisbury Terror Nerve Gas Attack: How We Know Putin Did It

    As that poor exercise in thought explains, the circumstantial evidence for Russian responsibility for the Skripal poisoning is weak to the point of seeming absurdity.

    Concerning direct evidence of Russian culpability, as his Excellency, Craig Murray, has been at pains to demonstrate, there is little if any that has been revealed to the public. True the Government of the UK may have information that it has not discloseds, as the Wiz of O would have us all believe. However, if the British Government does have conclusive evidence of what happened, they have certainly not disclosed it to the public, or it seems, the police, who don’t expect to solve the case for months. And who knows, perhaps they’ll never figure it out, or even if they do discover the truth, they may find, as did the Chief Inspector in that Conrad classic, The Secret Agent, that they are compelled to conceal it. It would, after all, be embarrassing to many important people if it were proved that Putin was not personally responsible.

  310. @Wizard of Oz

    Non so blind as those who will not see! You should have gone to Specsavers, Whizzy.

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  311. @CanSpeccy

    Nope. Not referring to any article on your blog which I wasn’t aware of – just to you rhetorical post above. And I don’t have any view about the certainty of UK intelligence or any view that I want all to believe. It reflects poorly on you as an educated reasonably punctilous man that you should so portray a mere attempt to introduce a line of thinking and possibility which had not been aired because what I said was quite clear.

    I have BTW just seen a vrry anti-Putin documentary which leaves one with the same sort of impression a powerful unanswered opening address by a prosecutor might convey to a jury. The general thdsis is that from 2000 Russia was taken over by the KGB/FSB crew headed by Putin with oligarchs firmly put in thrir place and ripped off while 34 journalists were murdered. It is a reminder to be sceptical, invluding sccetical of the pro Russian commentters on UR.

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  312. @NoseytheDuke

    My looking up Specsavers hasn’t explained why you chose to mention it. A sponsorship deal? Still it wouldn’t put you in the Australian cricketer class for disingenous behaviour. Oh! Not a pun surely!

    What was it I should have liked so much about CanSpeccy’s rhetorical flourishes that you would have me eschew using my history-grounded imagination and keeping an open mind?

  313. @CanSpeccy

    Apologies for typos…..

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  314. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Apologies for typos…..

    Don’t worry about the typos. It’s the bullshit we object to.

  315. Kiza says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Oh common Wiz, Putin murdered only 34 journalists!? It has got to be 3,400 at least. And what about all those ripped of shirts and “Vlad WOS HIER” calling cards sprayed on the walls next to crime scenes, the same as on the bench in Salisbury Park? Why do the British keep such evidence top secret, at the “I would have to kill you if I told you” level? Then the poor misunderstood Boris Johnson has to look the clown that he is by talking about secret evidence that only he saw.

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  316. @CanSpeccy

    And who is “we”? The league of the paranoid outsiders whose secret diaries will tell us how they susssed out decades ago (indeed it was all “obvious”) the fact, extent and identity of child abusers, sexual predators of all orientations, ages, occupations and flavours, massive legal and illegal tax avoidance…..?

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  317. @Kiza

    And your point is? I’m not going to attempt to dispute the combination of cleverness and clownishness which probably puts Boris Johnson high up in competition with Donald Trump for unsuitability as head of government, or foreign secretary?

    While I know/have known many hundreds of movers and shakers or just senior office holders in Australia (and a maybe unrepresentative fraction – and rarely so well – in other mostly Anglophone countries) anything about Russia and Putin is in a completely different class. All I can say for the kind of documentary that I referred to about Putin is that, unlike the obsessives and overcertain on UR threads who apparently object to my bringing up that sigint hasn’t been mentioned, is that it did portray conflicting opinions (e.g. Russian defectors who did and who did not think the 1999 apartment building bombings which gave Putin the opportunity to show himself as strongman wrt Chechnya could be the work of the KGB/FSB).

    I wasn’t aware of Boris Johnson referring to “secret evidence”. When you say “clownish” you may be overlooking how often over the years Johnson has played the clown and played to his reputation for clowning to his advantage; cf. Putin’s bare chested antics. Is it indiscreet? A moment’s thought and you realise it is not, at least from Boris. Ever since the story of Bletchley Park became common knowledge, no one – except it seems people on UR – would have failed to understand that there might be compelling and correct intelligence. History woild equally tell Russians and everyone that there might be also false claims of evidence and even planted evidence.

    In the end we have little choice but to hope we can usually trust those elected to government to act intelligently and honestly for our short and long term security and benefit.

    That doesn’t mean that the UR commenters’ scoffs and expressions of disbelief, combined with confident intuitions of the “obvious” (so obvious that only fools and trolls would not agree), aren’t pointing to possible truths and qualifications on official information/propaganda. Still in assessing wbether I should back the leaders of umpteen countries to be taking a justified stance against Russia for its covert aggression, if I have to back anything, I would weight the documentary I saw (made well before the Skripal case) at 75 to a 25 for UR. Money where mouth is. That’s a better test than lofty scorbful blather. Who would be party to an arrangement to placing some big bets with their own money on outcomes to be determined by agreed criteria in years to come? I would accept even money, plus real interest on my money to date of determination, that Russia will be found responsible in the long run, plus offering 3 to 1 against it being found to be British ot American intelligence services. Like a proper bookmaker I would recalculate the odds – totally agnostically – if money flooded in for MI6/MI5 as the villains 🙂

  318. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Secret diaries?

    Identity of child abusers?

    Illegal tax avoidance?

    This is imbecilic blather.

    The Wiz, must be off his meds?

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  319. @CanSpeccy

    No. I was trying to be polite and not directly include you in that depiction (not entirely metaphorical) of about 25 per cent of UR commenters.

  320. @CanSpeccy

    I credit you as a non American member of the Anglosphere, but right next door, with an understanding of American obsessions which probably go back to Montesquieu’s misleading stuff about the separation of powers. Consider the horror at what Edward Snowden disclosed. Consider the limitations on the CIA investigating Americans in America.
    I have just come across plausible suggestions that the failures of the CIA and FBI to share intelligence and cooperate were important factors in the JFK assassination and what we know about it. (Also that J.Edgar Hoover was part of a cover up said to be for fear of starting a potentially nuclear war but that has little relevance to my present point).
    It is a consideration that complicates considerably the telling of a plausible story about 9/11 which treats it as an inside job. Indeed we are told with some authority that there were failures of communication between the agencies about known or suspected Al Qaeda loyalists in America. The idea that the CIA and FBI couldn’t be the culprits so it must be Mossad has a hard time getting up against the presumption that some old CIA or FBI officer would have sold the story by now – even made it up if anybody could be persuaded to think it credible enough to publish.

    Life experience should lead to heavy preference for cock up over conspiracy.

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    , @NoseytheDuke
  321. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, we understand. You have been vouchsafed the truth about all things, but no one pays you the slightest heed. Very annoying, I’m sure.

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  322. @Wizard of Oz

    Back when I read newspapers I enjoyed comic strips, especially The Far Side and Calvin and Hobbes, but now I turn to the net for laughs and read comments by Whizzy the Wheezey.

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  323. @CanSpeccy

    What truth do you say that I, who frequently criticises the obsessively certain on UR, am suggesting that I have been vouchsafed?

    I observe only one logical candidate, namely that ” Life experience should sipport a heavy preference for cockup over conspiracy”. Anything else? And do you really say you disagree with that generalisation?

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  324. @NoseytheDuke

    My lack of knowledge of any of those ilustrators or comic strip characters means there is a gap in my understand of your intellectual development. It will have to suffice that I conclude, with surprise, that you are uninterested in what the latest declassification of JFK related docs (with more to come next month) shows about J.Edgar Hoover’s response to the assassination, including whether Oswald was a lone wolf as Hoover apparently wrote that the public needed to be told convincingly, and his reasons for it.

    That you don’t think the history of the relationships, and the cultural reasons for them, of the FBI and CIA (indeed all the 16 – incredible number – security related bodies) are vital to sane assessment of UR threads’ top 10 conspiracies is astonishing even it is – shockingly – an unfamiliar idea to you.

    I have just had an email from an ultrasophisticated multilingual Roman who is amusingly and amusedly conscious of his descent from two no doubt devious Renaissance/Counter Reformation Popes. I can just imagine his most likely voiced thoughts, like “Dear friend, what makes you spend time with those callow barbarians of the blogosphere. Is the way they think, impotently, that the world works, of any interest to you?”

    Curiously, I recall Australia’s greatest CJ saying that, as a young lawyer still living with his parents he spent a year not reading newspapers but picking up what mattered in pre-radio days from his retired invalid father at the breakfast and dinner table. He said he was better informed then than his contemporaries at the Bar. So I restrain an incipient sneer at your boast (?) wrt newspaper reading. BUT – a big but – you will have read that Ron Unz, our Alt Media host – has been throughout adult life a diligent reader of the NYT, WSJ and some other newspapers. Perhaps you should (if only metaphorically: I don’t see you as refusing to employ cheap docile labour) get out of bed early and prepare for the jousts of the day while taking your first caffeine hit. Which reminds me. Especially on Good Friday I should be up by midday 🙂

  325. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Life experience should sipport a heavy preference for cockup over conspiracy”.

    Woz’s Razor. !!!

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  326. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Perhaps better: Woz’s sledgehammer: or how to kill all conspiracy theories in one shot, and damn the evidence.

  327. @jojo

    The more I think about this story the odder it gets.
    For a start lets suppose that the novichock came into the country or was here already, as two components which make “Novichok” when mixed. Or that the ready made Novichok was brought into the country as a sealed glass capsule & was taken by the would be assassin, to the Skripals front door. Bear in mind that a gram or two of this stuff is supposed to be enough to wipe out a town.

    What did the assassin do next? Well, since he does not appear in the official record as a corpse, he presumably put on his hazmat suit and either mixed the two components or broke the sealed glass capsule. Note, there is no mention of any mixing container or broken glass nor yet a hazmat suit at Skripal’s front door.

    Then, having got his stuff he smeared it on the door handle.(?) With what? His hands? Presumably not! Then how did he get rid of the thing he used to smear it on with? Did he walk down the street wearing his hazmat suit? Or carrying it? Or if not where did he put it?

    At this point, he and his contaminated h.suit just disappear into thin air!

    Then the Skripals come home or perhaps emerge from the house and are poisoned after which they go and have a meal and a drink and then collapse onto a park bench. Strange behaviour for people poisoned with a military grade poison gas something like ten times worse than VX!

    But it gets odder still. Along come the good policeman who tries to revive the pair and calls for an ambulance. A lady doctor comes and tries to resucitate Yulia for half an hour and suffers no ill effects from the Novichok! One tough cookie she! Then the policeman goes to Skripal’s house and gets near-fatally poisoned. Having survived unharmed his encounter with the Skripals. Then 37 other people fall ill with the effects of the poison but are released within 24hrs.

    Then a senior doctor at the hospital treating these people, in a letter to the (London) Times, denies that he has any patients suffering from a chemical weapon, although he does admit to having the policeman and the Skripals in his care.

    Another “odd“ aspect aspect to this story is that there are, presumably, one or more assassins at large in the country, but, one hears nothing about any effort to find them. No wanted posters, no likely story of how they came and went, no appeal for witnesses or efforts to find where they got their poison or how they transported it. Were they wearing hazmat suits when they smeared it on the Skripal front door? Nothing! Almost as though the authorities knew who they were already! Or the assassin(s) did not exist.

    Essentially similar letter in today’s Independent.

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  328. @foolisholdman

    Well stated! I’m wondering if you are the same “old man” who used to comment on Craigs List R&R London? IIRC you rode a large motorcycle. Cheers.

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  329. @NoseytheDuke

    No. Not I, the largest m/c I ever had was only125cc. Nor can I remember commenting on Craig;s List.

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