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When is a terrorist group not a terrorist group? Apparently the answer is that it ceases to be terrorist when it terrorizes someone who is an enemy of the United States. The most prominent recent example is the Mujaheddin e Khalq (MEK), a murderous Iranian Marxist cult which assassinated five Americans in the 1970s as part of its campaign against the Shah’s government. It was removed from the State Department terrorist list in 2012 by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton after it had promised not to kill any more Americans but really because it had bought the support of prominent politicians to include Elaine Chao, Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, and John Bolton. It also had the behind the scenes endorsement of both the Israeli Mossad and CIA, both of whom have been using it in their operations to kill Iranians and damage the country’s infrastructure. Someone high up in the federal government, perhaps Hillary or even President Obama himself, must have decided that terrorists who kill only Iranians deserve a get out of jail free card from the State Department.

There are other examples of cynical doublespeak from the Syrian conflict, including labeling rebels against the Damascus government “freedom fighters” when in reality they were as often as not allied with the al-Qaeda affiliated group Al-Nusra or even with ISIS. Frequently they received training and weapons from Washington only to turn around and either join Al-Nusra and ISIS as volunteers or surrender their weapons to them.

But perhaps there is no bigger fraud making the rounds than the so-called White Helmets. The recent media coverage derives from the documentary The White Helmets, which was produced by the group itself and tells a very convincing tale promoted as “the story of real-life heroes and impossible hope.” It is a very impressive piece of propaganda, so much so that it has won numerous awards including the Oscar for Best Documentary Short last year and the White Helmets themselves were nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. More to the point, however, is the undeniable fact that the documentary has helped shape the public understanding of what is going on in Syria, describing the government in Damascus in purely negative terms.

The fawning Hollywood and Congressional depictions of the group go something like this: “the White Helmets are an ‘heroic’ impartial non-government humanitarian volunteer group that engages in ‘first response’ emergency rescue and medical treatment for all those who have been impacted by the fighting in Syria. The Syrian government hates the group because it assists victims of the fighting who are either rebels or living in rebel held areas. Recently, with the Syrian Army closing in on the last White Helmet affiliates still operating in the country, the Israeli government, assisted by the United States, staged an emergency humanitarian evacuation of the group’s members and their families to Israel and then on to Jordan.”

Virtually all the mainstream media coverage of the White Helmets is bogus, but by far the most ridiculous account of the Exodus from Syria came from the BBC. For those who are not familiar with it, the BBC, which once upon a time had a reputation for journalistic integrity, has become one of the worst pro-government propaganda shills of all time. Reading its articles is even worse that having a similar go at The Washington Post, which is the prime newspaper exemplar of fake news and phony journalism pretending to be a respectable news source in the United States. Let’s face it, Donald Trump has a point. Nearly all of the mainstream media lies persistently these days but some sources are worse than others. People complain about Fox, and rightly so, but CNN is the absolute pits when it comes to slanting its coverage, as is MSNBC.

BBC’s article is entitled Syria conflict: White Helmets evacuated by Israel. It makes the following statements, many coming directly from Israeli official sources, regarding the White Helmets, its activities and the group’s relationship to some governments, to include Britain:

  • “The IDF said they had ‘completed a humanitarian effort to rescue members of a Syrian civil organization and their families’, saying there was an ‘immediate threat to their lives.’ The transfer of the displaced Syrians through Israel was an exceptional humanitarian gesture.”
  • “Although Israel is not directly involved in the Syria conflict, the two countries have been in a state of war for decades. Despite the intervention, the IDF said that ‘Israel continues to maintain a non-intervention policy regarding the Syrian conflict.’”
  • “A statement from Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt and International Development Secretary Penny Mordaunt said: ‘White Helmets have been the target of attacks and, due to their high profile, we judged that, in these particular circumstances, the volunteers required immediate protection. We pay tribute to the brave and selfless work that White Helmet volunteers have done to save Syrians on all sides of the conflict.’”
  • “Their official name is the Syrian Civil Defense and it began in early 2013 as an organization of volunteers from all walks of life, including electricians and builders. Its main task soon became to rescue civilians in war zones in the immediate aftermath of air strikes, and it says its volunteers have saved the lives of more than 100,000 people during the civil war.”

The BBC story could have been written by the White Helmets themselves or by their press department. Or alternatively by the Israeli Foreign Ministry. First of all, the Israelis do not do humanitarian gestures. They helped bail out the White Helmets at the request of the U.S. because capture by the Syrians would have produced embarrassing revelations about how the group was funded and what its affiliation with terrorists was all about. And Israel’s denial of involvement in Syria is nonsense, unless one considers demonstrated collaboration with the terrorist groups punctuated by nearly weekly bombing and missile attacks to be non-involvement.

The British too are into the deception up to their eyeballs. The comment by Hunt and Mordaunt is complete fabrication regarding what the White Helmets represent. The same goes for the BBC account of how the group developed, which comes directly from the White Helmet’s own propaganda division as amplified by Hollywood and the U.S. and U.K. governments.

Just as important as what is said about the White Helmets’ activities is the exclusion of a great deal of credible negative reporting on the group. The carefully edited scenes of heroism under fire that have been filmed and released worldwide conceal the White Helmets’ relationship with the al-Qaeda affiliated group Jabhat al-Nusra and its participation in the torture and execution of “rebel” opponents. Indeed, the White Helmets only operate in rebel held territory, which enables them to shape the narrative both regarding who they are and what is occurring on the ground.

Exploiting their access to the western media, the White Helmets thereby de facto became a major source of “eyewitness” news regarding what was going on in those many parts of Syria where European and American journalists were quite rightly afraid to go. It was all part of a broader largely successful “rebel” effort to manufacture fake news that depicts the Damascus government as engaging in war crimes directed against civilians, an effort that led to several attacks on government forces and facilities by the U.S. military.

The White Helmets travel to bombing sites with their film crews trailing behind them. Once at the sites, with no independent observers, they are able to arrange or even stage what is filmed to conform to their selected narrative which consistently promotes tales of government atrocities against civilians to encourage outside military intervention in Syria and bring about regime change in Damascus. The White Helmets were, for example, the propagators of the totally false but propagandistically effective claims regarding the government use of so-called “barrel bombs” against civilians.

Peter Ford, British Ambassador in Damascus from 2003-2006, recently described the group in an audio interview saying, “The White Helmets are jihadi auxiliaries. They are not, as claimed by themselves and by their supporters… simple rescuers. They are not volunteers. They are paid professionals of disinformation.” He noted particularly the large size of the organization’s “press department”, saying, “This gives us an idea what the priority is for this very dubious organization… All their activities are directed at mobilizing Western opinion behind the jihadis with whom they associate. They co-locate their centers with the Al-Qaeda organization known as Al-Nusra and with other militant groups such as Jaish al-Islam. They have in the past been shown associating with and waving the flags of ISIS.”

The group is currently largely funded by a number of non-government organizations (NGOs) as well as governments, including the United States, Britain and some European Union member states. The U.S. has directly provided $23 million through the USAID (US Agency for International Development) as of 2016 and almost certainly considerably more indirectly. Max Blumenthal has explored in some detail the various funding resources and relationships that the organization draws on, mostly in Europe and the United States.

Perhaps the most serious charge against the White Helmets consists of the evidence that they actively participated in the atrocities, to include torture and murder, carried out by their al-Nusra hosts. There have been numerous photos of the White Helmets operating directly with armed terrorists and also celebrating over the bodies of execution victims and murdered Iraqi soldiers. The group’s jihadi associates regard the White Helmets as fellow “mujahideen” and “soldiers of the revolution.”

So Israel’s celebrated rescue of the White Helmets was little more than a theatrical performance intended to perpetuate the myth that the al-Assad government was thwarted in an attempt to capture and possibly kill an honorable non-partisan group engaged in humanitarian relief for those caught up in a bloody conflict seeking to oust a ruthless dictator. The reality is quite different. The White Helmets were and are part and parcel of the attempt to overthrow a legitimate government and install a regime friendly to western, American and Israeli interests. For Israel in particular the ongoing chaos in Syria was and is part of its plan for dividing all of its neighbors into warring ethnicities and sects, making them less viable as threats to the Jewish state.

The 800 White Helmets rescued reportedly will be resettled in the U.S., Britain and Germany. One hopes those coming to America can end up in Los Angeles, where they would presumably mingle with Hollywood big shots and the usual snowflakes while working on their next documentary. As some of them are most certainly radical Jihadists, it will be interesting to observe exactly how that will play out.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. Dan Hayes says:

    Among the few who have likewise questioned the establishment’s White Helmets narrative are Peter Hitchens of the Daily Mail and Prof Emeritus Steve Cohen.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  2. peterAUS says:

    When is a terrorist group not a terrorist group? Apparently the answer is that it ceases to be terrorist when it terrorizes someone who is an enemy of the United States.

    Shining Path
    Japanese Red Army
    The Red Army Faction
    Carlos the Jackal
    The Red Brigades

    The last, but, probably, not the least:

    Iran, a predominantly Shia country, was one of the first Muslim countries to provide support for the Bosnian Muslims (Bosniaks, who are mainly Sunni Muslim) in the war.
    The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) sent more than five thousand tonnes of arms to the Bosnian Muslims.IRGC also supplied trainers and advisers for the Bosnian military and intelligence service.
    Several dozen Iranian intelligence experts joined the Bosnian Muslim intelligence agency.The Iranian Ministry of Intelligence-supported mujahideen units trained selected Bosnian army units.
    The Hezbollah (Lebanese Shia), supported by Iran, also sent fighters to the war.In 1992, Iran with the help of Turkey smuggled arms to the Bosnian Muslims.

    Just saying.

  3. A muslim is a muslim is a muslim and he lies and lies and lies.

  4. An honest rescue organisation does not call itself by a name that is already taken by another longstanding rescue organisation. That they are called the ‘Syrian Civil Defense Force’ is enough to realize that they are trolls.

  5. El Dato says:

    Maybe they will participate in the next iteration of “Highlander: Golan Heights”

  6. cassandra says:

    Giraldi’s report gives one of the more complete pictures of the White Helmets I’ve seen, despite, or perhaps because, it runs in the face of the surface reporting provided by the MSM.

    It’s getting to be that any report with a political impact is likely to be heavily corrupted in support of an establishment agenda. Counternarratives to the MSM picture of the White Helmets as good guys have always been readily available, but finding them does require the inquisitiveness to search specifically for details that the MSM omits. Giraldi cites a number here.

    Organized media disinformation efforts in the 1950′s in Operation Mockingbird, were reported in 1967, when intimate CIA collusion with the news, television and book industries was exposed. We were told to believe that abuses had been “fixed”, but it would be astoundingly naive to suppose that parties with an interest in public opinion would simply put aside their clandestine tools and personal connection based on some honor system.

    Today, lack of transparency and frequent deception render official pronouncements suspect by default, and force thinking citizens into the role of intelligence analysts. Getting a reasonable idea of the truth is fraught with the same uncertainties characteristic of HUMINT operations. “Trustworthy” reports have to be examined for inadvertent error or even self-deception, partisan reports often yield nuggets of truth buried amid polemical ranting, and even clearly deceptive reports can reveal inclinations and motives.

    The CIA invented the derogatory “conspiracy theory” term to discourage critical thinking by the public, but the term today better characterizes the implausible official explanations of events set in front of us by the MSM for our acceptance. More often than, the reports require supplementation by alternative sources before they can be used to construct some image of reality. I enjoyed Giraldi doing precisely that here.

  7. Virtually all the mainstream media coverage of the White Helmets is bogus, but by far the most ridiculous account of the Exodus from Syria came from the BBC. For those who are not familiar with it, the BBC, which once upon a time had a reputation for journalistic integrity, has become one of the worst pro-government propaganda shills of all time.

    The time when the BBC had journalistic integrity was a long time. Since the 1970s at least, the Leftists have been marching through this institution. What we now see is the objective alliance between the Neoliberal/Neoconservatives and the mainstream Left. The Neoliberals want massive 3rd World immigration so that their corporate paymasters can get cheap labour, the mainstream Left want to dissolve the people and elect a new one, who will vote for the Party of Welfare forever.
    So the Leftists are more than willing to promote the Neocon view with its fake campaigns for “democracy”, “human rights” and “humanitarian bombings”.
    This is the Welfare-Warfare State and nearly all independent voices have been squeezed out.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  8. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    We pay tribute to the brave and selfless work that White Helmet volunteers have done to save Syrians on all sides of the conflict.

    If the White Helmets were truly a selfless humanitarian organization–like the MSM tells us 24/7–risking their lives to help Syrians then why are they running like scared bunnies into the arms of their Israeli benefactors and away from all those Syrians they helped?

    Because they know if they stayed in Syria to get thanked for their selfless work, the Syrians would be hanging them from the nearest utility pole.

    Maybe some should move to some ‘OK Corral’ city like Chicago, so if the WH needed to satiate their violent ways, a few more deaths would hardly be noticed..

    I’m sure George Clooney is going to let some live in one of his mansions!

    • Replies: @annamaria
  9. Perhaps the most serious charge against the White Helmets consists of the evidence that they actively participated in the atrocities, to include torture and murder, carried out by their al-Nusra hosts. There have been numerous photos of the White Helmets operating directly with armed terrorists and also celebrating over the bodies of execution victims and murdered Iraqi soldiers.

    https://twitter.com/loktaxxemx

    Account does not exist. Typo?

    The video at Salon is no longer available. The article do exist though.

  10. Virtually all the mainstream media coverage of the White Helmets is bogus,

    Note to PG: the correct term is mass media. Mainstream media is a term used by corporate media boneheads in a pathetic attempt to legitimize the obviously bogus.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  11. annamaria says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    Enjoy the documentary about a very non-muslim Bill Browder: https://www.sott.net/video?file=/seed02.bitchute.com/40940/lQ3qEwX66pIL.mp4&image=/static-1.bitchute.com/live/cover_images/SovhDVg92JKh/lQ3qEwX66pIL_640x360.jpg&jwsource=cl

    And don’t forget the zionized US Congress that went full force against Russia while armed with the obvious lies. The lies are imprinted in the Magnitsky Act.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Moi
  12. annamaria says:
    @Greg Bacon

    “If the White Helmets were truly a selfless humanitarian organization–like the MSM tells us 24/7–risking their lives to help Syrians then why are they running like scared bunnies into the arms of their Israeli benefactors and away from all those Syrians they helped?’
    – This is a great Q for the glorificators of the White Helmets.

    • Agree: cassandra
  13. annamaria says:
    @jacques sheete

    One of the most disgusting episodes of glorification of the “moderate” terrorists of White Helmets was the Hollywood genuflection for the CIA in kind of giving an Oscar to a “documentary” on White Helmets.
    This amazing “documentary” was shot outside Syria by the “moderate” terrorists themselves. Neither a director nor a producer of the “documentary” had ever put their feet on Syrian territory. The two presstitutes, director Orlando von Einsiedel and producer Joanna Natasegara, have been happy to serve the empire and to embellish the lie. They carefully avoided learning anything outside the MSM narrative, despite the wealth of honest reporting from Syria.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  14. Z-man says:

    One Zionist’s terrorist is a human’s freedom fighter.

  15. Philip Giraldi wisely wrote: ‘The 800 White Helmets rescued reportedly will be resettled in the U.S., Britain and Germany… As some of them are most certainly radical Jihadists, it will be interesting to observe exactly how that will play out.”
    Below, (Zigh) I have an idea how such could “play out.”
    … Some of the 800 “radical jihadists” are talented resources, and a percentage are likely intelligent and subsequently understand how in Syria they were in the employ of ZUS and Israel.
    … Given the apparent Trump administration’s threat to inflict “Fire

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  16. The White Helmets travel to bombing sites with their film crews trailing behind them.

    This really tells you all you need to know.

    When I was a little kid—maybe 4 or 5 years old—I remember my mother reading dinosaur books to me. I would ask her something about the people who were alive when dinosaurs were living. “There were no people alive when dinosaurs were alive,” she confidently assured my. “Except scientists,” I would answer.

    “No, not scientists, either.”

    ‘Then how do they know what the dinosaurs looked like?”

    Similarly, whenever we would watch nature films in elementary school, a sizable number of the children would always protest, “Why doesn’t the cameraman rescue the zebra from the lion?”

    The point is that, as young children, we had not yet been indoctrinated into the ways of mass media. We intuitively knew that if somebody asserted that they knew something, that implied that they were there to see it. And if somebody was showing you something, that implied that somebody was there to record it.What were they doing there and why? Why do they want you to see this?

    Nowadays people do not ask themselves these questions. They treat the television as if it were a view-portal directly into unvarnished reality, free of agendas, free of editing, free of personalities hamming it up. If a so-called rescue group drags a film crew behind them, you can be sure that their purpose is the film, not the rescue.

    • Replies: @Ajibi
    , @Erebus
  17. @ChuckOrloski

    Hi Philip,
    Frustratingly, my comments are getting chopped & I do not know why. Essentially I position that Trump adminiZtration’s vow to inflict “Fire& & Fury” upon N. Korea is now planned to fall down upon Iran. The 800 White Helmets exiled in the West could be repackaged & become either “hands-on” or training assets in a False Flag attack(s) that will be a fine (theatrical) catalyst to bring “Fire & Fury” to the Islamic Republic of Iran. Fyi, under the leadership of OBL’s son, al-Qaeda is being repackaged for a “comeback” Call of Duty.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  18. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck – We are not chopping anything! The comments have been coming through to our side cropped and that’s the way they are being posted. Dunno what to suggest as we are not having a similar problem with anyone else’s comments. Do you have some kind of special security feature installed? Or encryption??????

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  19. I do suspect that even the white paint they got from CIA, (or maybe Mosad?)

  20. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Philip Smeeton

    A muslim is a muslim is a muslim and he lies and lies and lies.

    A NWO Globalist is a NWO Globalist is a NWO Globalist and they lie and lie and lie.

    There, fixed that typo for you!

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  21. This is perfectly logical. CIA with the help of the money from Saudis and other Gulf satrapies organized, armed, and trained Islamic terrorists that later became the core of Al-Qaida. So, the West has responsibility for its “children”, including Al-Qaida PR wing White Helmets. They staged lots of fakes to support Western narrative, and Western MSM duly disseminated their fakes, always pretending they aren’t fakes. Besides, White Helmets were directly funded by Western intelligence agencies. Of course, one can ask how intelligent this was, but that does not change the fact.

  22. The white helmets are a creation of the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6 and are being transplanted to Europe and Canada where they will be the seeds of terrorism aka NATOs OPERATION GLADIO,and so we can expect more terrorism used to instill fear and hysteria in the populations of the countries attacked and of course blamed on others as false flags are a CIA and MOSSAD and MI6 special deal.

    This is all part of the zionist NWO plan as laid out in the PROTCOLS OF ZION, terror and more terror!

  23. @Philip Giraldi

    Hi Phil,
    Via email, I discussed comment chop with Ron Unz & he suggested I may have a browser issue. Fyi, I have “Dollar Store” cost-level cell phone / internet resources.
    Absolutely no “special security devices” or “encryption” for me. Thanks for concern, the chop phenom happens irregularly & I will live with it. Thanks very much for your concern, Phil! I know the problem is not on your (“We”) end.

  24. Cochore says:

    The usually well-informed Ziad Fadel over at syrianperspective.com has a slightly different take to this article. He claims that most of the White Helmets are still trapped in Syria and that the evacuation by Israel was mostly of the Western and GCC special forces. Israel used the WH as the cover story for the operation to exfiltrate these NATO and GCC forces.

    90% OF DER’AH LIBERATED; HUNDREDS OF FOREIGN SPEC OPS OFFICERS SMUGGLED TO JORDAN; ZIONIST ATTACK ON MISYAF BASE FLOPS

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @FB
  25. Virgile says:

    Canada has made a mistake in offerring to resettle The White Helmets in Canada.
    Now that Saudi Arabia ( main WH sponsor) broke relations with Canada, maybe it is time for Trudeau to cancel that offer and stop supplying military materials that are used to kill Yemenis.
    Is hosting the White Helmets or the jailing of a woman activist in Saudi Arabia more important in terms of human rights that the murder and starving of hundred of thousands Yemenis?
    Is Canada using the jailing of the Badawis in KSA as a pretext to make a overdue U-turn on its relation with a terrorist state supported by the USA and to reinstate a healthy relation with Iran that is now the new target of Israelis and US Jewish lobbies’s plots?
    If is is really looking to promote human rights worldwide, Canada must boycott first the Gulf countries until they stop their horrific agression on Yemen.. and send the White Helmets to their patrons, UK , the USA ore Saudi Arabia!.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  26. @Cochore

    That wouldn’t surprise me, either. Israel, WH (both White Helmets and White House), Nusra, ISIS, Western “advisors”, Saudis, and a lot of other scum are all on the same anti-Syrian side. Good thing is, they lost.

  27. RobinG says:
    @annamaria

    Skinny of Browder/MAGNITSKY ACT fraud, by insider Martin Armstrong
    Attempted 1999 takeover of Russia by blackmail: Berezovsky, Kagalovsky, Wendler (Safra’s Republic National Bank), HSBC, Robert Maxwell, John McCain.

    “MAGNITSKY AFFAIR & the MURDER of EDMOND SAFRA in MONACO” https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/magnitsky-affair-the-murder-of-edmond-safra-in-monaco/

    • Replies: @annamaria
  28. RobinG says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    WATCH Bill Browder’s 2015 deposition [all six parts] in the case of U.S. vs. Prevezon Holdings. SEE the Jew dissemble.
    Then watch his Senate testimony about [his accountant] Magnitsky.
    See the Jew lie.

    Bill Browder April 15, 2015 Deposition – Part 4

  29. Shias are doomed! They even made 300 to rile up the dummies… the CIA/Mosad, Judaism/Sunnis, media/military combine has decided it be so. The spooks do what they do because someone butters their toast, Jews want the greater Judea and the Sauds want Iran and the subcontinent (religiously speaking) to firm up Wahabism as far as the Philippines (Mindanao isn’t finished yet), the media already has what it needs, including the BBC to play its subordinate role in the grand scheme while the military is all subject to civilian (not to be confused with the average Joe) control in the march to fulfill the prophecy, albeit, man made in Manhattan, most likely!

  30. Great article

    • Replies: @anon
  31. FB says:

    It’s almost certain that a number of these scum have been captured in the south…since some areas were cut off by the SAA, making escape to Jordan and Israel impossible…

    This is not being publicized by the Syrian govt for obvious reasons because these captured shite helmets are now in the capable hands of the Mukhabarat…who are applying scientific [ehm] ‘techniques’ of interrogation…LOL…

    The mother lode of shite helmets is in Idlib province, where SAA shock troops and motorized brigades are massing for a take-no-prisoners assault…Russian aviation is preparing targets for air strikes…

    writing is on the wall…as for the scum that are being implanted in Canada and EU…well the voters will have to wait to change the government for one that is going to send these dirtballs back to Syria to face justice…

  32. FB says:
    @Cochore

    Thanks for that link…confirms what I have seen from other sources…

  33. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dan Hayes

    The murky and unresolved murder of sitting British MP Jo Cox was followed by calls for donations to the White Helmets by her hard-left operative widower.

  34. @peterAUS

    What’s wrong with supporting the Bosnian Muslims?

    After all, we and NATO bombed their enemies. It would follow we supported the Bosnian Muslims as well.

    • Replies: @chris
  35. @Virgile

    ‘…Is Canada using the jailing of the Badawis in KSA as a pretext to make a overdue U-turn on its relation with a terrorist state supported by the USA…’

    Ahem. I don’t think the Maple Leaf State is about to start pursuing an independent foreign policy.

    Israel would have something to say about that.

  36. Vojkan says:
    @Verymuchalive

    Good summary of Western-style democracy. There’s a catch though. The welfare-warfare alliance initiated during the Clinton era is not wealth producing, it is a wealth-looting alliance. Every single period of seeming growth since has in reality been an artificially created bubble. To keep on deceiving people, when a bubble bursts, they create another bubble. Then they proceed with looting. At one point in time though, those from whom they loot will have nothing left to loot. It will be an interesting time.

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @jacques sheete
  37. ” – the BBC, which once upon a time had a reputation for journalistic integrity, has become one of the worst pro-government propaganda shills of all time.”

    Quite correct. In the 60′s & 70′s, perhaps up to the mid 80′s, the Beeb was professional and somewhat neutral.

    Today it’s a cesspool of politically correct, multi-culti, doublespeak government propaganda. When the BBC opines on an important international issue, it’s probably a lie.

  38. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Also, ‘lone gunmen’ that are actually parts of terrorist organizations, preferring to remain hidden, constitute members of terrorist groups that are not official terrorists, as they are nominally ‘lone gunmen’. It’s simply a political label.

    ‘Freedom fighters’, an Orwellian double think term, aren’t terrorists.

  39. Thanks for the link Cochore. In the message section is a speech by Senator Richard Black that I wish all would hear. Cheers

  40. @annamaria

    They carefully avoided learning anything outside the MSM narrative

    “MSM” is another canard and ripe for discard. The presstitutes and their productions that constitute it are, to me, obviously waaay outside anything mainstream.

    It was another term popularized relatively recently by the usual peddlers of BS.

    Check this Ngram out.

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=MSM&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CMSM%3B%2Cc0

    That oughta tell us something.

  41. chris says:
    @Colin Wright

    Exactly, they we were on the same side there, which means that they did it with the approval of the US.gov. Assuming that the Shia Iranians were supporting a Suni movement in Bosnia; which actually seems preposterous.

  42. Blake says:

    Wonder why they couldnt be resettled in zionist occupied Palestine? Rhetorical wonder

  43. The White Helmets attempted to be the spark for the powder keg but it temporarily failed. They (a.k.a. The Society of the Elect/Cliveden Set/CFR) will try again. This is the playbook tactic of using various proxies to start conflict. If it wasn’t so sad, it would be laughable that it was a British military officer, James Le Mesurier, that started the White Helmets. As was the case over one hundred years ago, the Black Hand was concocted and used by the British Establishment to start WW1. Currently, we have both Israel, on the Nationalist end of the fabricated spectrum, and the CFR, on the Globalist end, working cohesively to throw millions of innocent civilians and thousands of young soldiers on the grave heap of war. One does not need enemies when an individual can pick any nation and be under the boot of the supremacist mentality of Tikkun Olam that maintains discourse in this fabricated modern society.

  44. Talha says:
    @chris

    It’s not preposterous. In the 90′s there was a lot of cooperation. Many Sunni foreign fighters also fought alongside Azerbaijan (which is like 90% Shiah) in its border war against Armenia. That doesn’t even take into account the traditional support Iran has given to Palestinians (which are mostly Sunni).

    The current Sunni-Shiah wars started in the aftermath of the collapse of Iraq in the region and (as usual) the migration of hard-core Salafi-Wahhabi types into the area.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  45. annamaria says:
    @RobinG

    Thank you.
    What an interesting company of “friends” the US Congressmen have selected for pushing the Magnitsky Act: “Browder, Beny, and Safra” https://jimmysllama.com/2017/11/01/10265/

    “There was $7 billion that was wired through Bank of New York which involved money stolen from the IMF loans to Russia. The attempt to takeover Russia by blackmail was set in motion. …
    Clearly, Republic National Bank was involved with the US government for they were sending also skids of $100 bills to Russia. It was written up and called the Money Plane.“

    — The article’s summary rings true: “… why would John McCain and Congress defend Bill Browder who resigned his American citizenship or care about an accountant who is Russian and dies in a Russian prison? To me, it seems that the Magnitsky Act was not to protect Browder or get his money back when he was NOT even a citizen anymore but to protect something much deeper.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  46. annamaria says:
    @Vojkan

    “The welfare-warfare alliance initiated during the Clinton era is not wealth producing, it is a wealth-looting alliance.” — Excellent outline.

  47. @chris

    Yeah, Iran supporting a Wahhabi power play in Bosnia seems about as likely as Iran having run the 9/11 attacks. In other words, not likely at all. But it plays to the story line that the Iranians are everywhere sponsoring terrorism, doesn’t it? Misdirection and black propaganda.

  48. annamaria says:
    @peterAUS

    The proud originators of terrorism: “British Intel Reveals How Zionists Terrorized London” http://bollyn.com/#article_16007

  49. peterAUS says:
    @chris

    …the Shia Iranians were supporting a Suni movement in Bosnia; which actually seems preposterous.

    For your types.
    It is a fact.
    The quote doesn’t say what kind of weaponry was in that tonnage. The kind not only to make them able to defend themselves, but to execute decent tactical attacks. Number of Serb civilians massacred in such attacks was significant.

    I mean, it’s simply hilarious to see “Team Russia” rooting for Iran, when Tehran material and expertise was used, just recently, in Europe, to slaughter fellow Orthodox Christians. Including women and children.

    So, the author is, of course, correct in “one’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter”. But that applies to the “savior of the World” too. Kremlin I mean.

    As is fact that Islamists will always support expansion of their religion and way of life. Shia, Sunni, whatever……..they are on the same page for that.

    Only gullible useful idiots can’t see it.
    Emphasize on idiots.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  50. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    It’s not preposterous. In the 90′s there was a lot of cooperation…..

    Of course.

    And should they settle their differences, it will happen again.

    An average Western “alt-right” character can’t see it. Irrelevant.
    People who will be, again, at the receiving end of that cooperation, know it.

    So, longer and bloodier Shia-Sunni conflict goes, for those in the know, better it is.
    White helmets, gassing, mayhem in Syria, possible mayhem in Iran…all good.
    Very good actually.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @chris
  51. Moi says:
    @DB Cooper

    She is too honest a person to be seen on the MSM.

  52. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    An average Western “alt-right” character can’t see it.

    Many simply haven’t read enough history.

    Ayatollah Khamanei himself helped translate Sayyid Qutb into Persian to make his writings available to the Iranian people. Hell, Iran even published a stamp with Qutb in the 80′s:

    Very good actually.

    Well, here I have to disagree since fratricide is not good.

    There is no real reason – other than Saudi and other foreign influence and interference – that should keep the advancing defense-economic cooperative growing between Turkey/Pakistan/Azerbaijan from keeping Iran out since they are all heirs of Islamic-Persianate culture.

    But I’m a Muzzie, so what do I know…

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @peterAUS
  53. Moi says:
    @annamaria

    Muslims love Jesus, so America hates them.
    Jews vilify Jesus, so America genuflects before them.

    Weird! Nuts, actually.

  54. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Actually Iraq should also easily be able to be integrated into that as the Arab wing of Islamic-Persianate culture – as well as some of the Central Asian states…

  55. Talha says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    Wow – the weight of the intellectual argument here is astounding.

    Why the editors of Unz have not awarded it the vaunted gold square is beyond me…

  56. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    …here I have to disagree since fratricide is not good.

    Agree.
    Like the one between Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland.
    Or between Catholics and Orthodox in Balkans. Or Ukraine. Etc.

    The fratricide between Shia and Sunni is, for “non-Muzzies”, preferable to Shia and Sunnis, together,as “Muzzies”, pulling genocide against them. “Non-Muzzies” I mean. Those close to “Muzzies” that is. In Europe, from Greeks to Slovenes. Good you mentioned Turkey there; along their path to Vienna…….

    As for

    But I’m a Muzzie, so what do I know…

    oh, I am sure you know all about it. I guess you and me are on the exactly same page; just different chapters.

    And…haha…

    Peace.

    now, that’s just funny.

    • Replies: @Talha
  57. Wim says:

    If I understand well 87 Blue Helmets were rescued by Israel. With their family members that made some 400 people. However, the total number of them is estimated to be at least 3000. So only a small fraction was “rescued”. That raises the question whether there was something special with these people.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Wizard of Oz
  58. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    for “non-Muzzies”, preferable to Shia and Sunnis, together

    Sure, for certain “non-Muzzies” – usually they fall into the NeoCon camp or the like (you can usually tell them by their stance on Israel). Most decent non-Muslims don’t want to see bloodshed for no good reason anywhere.

    path to Vienna

    Vienna? Napoleon’s invasion of the Levant and Egypt was far more recent than that.

    Look, if you want to assume that Muslims are going to march on Europe as if this is the 15th century, that’s fine. If recent history has shown us anything, Muslims should be far more wary of Western armies marching into or dropping bombs on their territories to spread the cult of “freedom and democracy”.

    Apart from the takfiri extremists (who are fairly busy killing other Muslims in target-righ environments), there is no push anywhere whether in popular Muslim sentiment or from any Islamic scholars or institutions that are talking about military invasions of Western lands. There are a few preachers here or there talking about immigration to Europe and having lots of kids in the West and that is easily stopped by closing borders and expelling violators and not subsidizing Muslims through welfare.

    now, that’s just funny.

    Yeah, peace…unless you are one of those people that enjoy permanent war-footing against the Muslim world. Some people get a kick out of conflict, like the guys who like to hype up war against countries that weren’t a threat to us (Panama, Iraq, Libya – now Iran) – to each his own.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  59. The thing that makes me suspicious of the White Helmets is this. Syria and Russia allowed insurgents free passage to safety but the White Helmets had to be rescued. That makes no sense unless the White Helmets were somehow even more malign than the armed insurgents fighting the Syrian government.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Byrresheim
  60. @Vojkan

    The welfare-warfare alliance initiated during the Clinton era is not wealth producing, it is a wealth-looting alliance.

    True as far as it goes, but the corporate welfare-warfare alliance began long before the world ever heard of Wee Willy Clinton. Such an alliance, in fact, is a key reason big governments come into existence.

    “…and when it was finally discovered that more profit was to be gained by enslaving the weak and systematically exploiting their productive capacities, instead of spoiling and destroying, this discovery opened a new and fruitful era of progress, for it involved the formation of political States.”

    Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Part II: Chapter XV Summary and Conclusion – Gustave de Molinari, The Society of Tomorrow [1899]
    Edition used: The Society of Tomorrow: A Forecast of its Political and Economic Organization, ed. Hodgson Pratt and Frederic Passy, trans. P.H. Lee Warner (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904).

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/titles/molinari-the-society-of-tomorrow

    Nowadays the sadists destroy stuff just for the Hell of it, but I bet that their profits keep rolling in as well.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  61. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    ….if you want to assume that Muslims are going to march on Europe as if this is the 15th century, that’s fine.

    I do.
    I wouldn’t say “assume” but “deeply believe” and…hehe….you can do better than ” Muslims are going to march on Europe as if this is the 15th century”.

    More like Muslims marched, say, as one of examples useful idiots here have no idea about, along Drina river, against Serbs, in one of their “offensives”, later in the war. Later, when they got an upper hand.
    That’s how things would work in Balkans.

    As for West…hehe…now I agree with you there. It won’t be like that. It will be more civilized, subtle. Just a bit of “Council” here, “Sharia law” there, “school here” and “mosque there”….as we can already see.

    …there is no push anywhere whether in popular Muslim sentiment or from any Islamic scholars or institutions that are talking about military invasions of Western lands…

    Hehe…true…true…..

    …permanent war-footing against the Muslim world.

    Yes and no.
    The objective is to keep “Muslim world” out of Europe. By any means necessary.
    See, my method is simple: fratricide between Muzzies in their own regions.
    As it is now and, hopefully, get worse. Or better, depends on a side.
    A good regional war with Iran with all “Muzzie” players involved there…for a decade, at least.
    As

    ..to each his own…

    oh, yes.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Herald
  62. annamaria says:
    @chris

    And what are the roots of your assumption — the cherished Oded Yinon plan fforEretz Israel?

  63. annamaria says:
    @peterAUS

    Sounds like an outpouring from an irritated zionist that cannot keep his hatred for everything Iranian.
    The real peril for western civilization is the dealings of the chosen supremacists whose “expansion of their religion” gave us the bloody ziocon manifesto PNAC and the zionized stink-tanks Atlantic Council, Brooking Institute, American Enterprise Institute et al. They all have been squealing non-stop for a war against Iran, which could easily lead to a hot phase of WWIII. The US has no national interests in bombing the peaceful Iran that represents one of the oldest civilizations (unlike the artificial and warmongering midget Jewish State).
    Do you know why people have been running from Libya, Syria, and Iraq to the EU? Aren’t these countries listed in Oded Yinon project for Eretz Israel

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Frankie P
  64. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    That’s how things would work in Balkans.

    Sure – it was a civil war. A three-way free for all. Everyone was jockeying for position. You seem to concentrate on the Muslim aspect, but completely ignore the fact that Serbs and Croats went war-criminal on each other and pushed each other out of areas as well. Why are Muslims given an exception-to-the-rule in a three way civil war?

    Just a bit of “Council” here, “Sharia law” there, “school here” and “mosque there”

    You mean democratic norms?

    The objective is to keep “Muslim world” out of Europe. By any means necessary.

    Your method is self-defeating.

    See, my method is simple: fratricide between Muzzies in their own regions.

    This only creates more refugees and more sympathy for the West to take them in. You mentioned others weren’t read up on history, but now you seem to have forgotten there was no mass immigration problem until well after Iraq was destroyed.

    Even in the time of a major border conflict in the Muslim world like that between Iran and Iraq or a minor one like between Chad and Libya, there was no mass refugee crisis – you need to completely collapse an entire state apparatus to get this kind of thing off the ground.

    Furthermore, any proposed expulsions of Muslims will be far more palatable to Westerners if they are not sending them into meat-grinder war zones where they will be killed or starved. I mean, it seems fairly obvious that is what you’d like to see, but you have to think of policies that are likely to be adopted by most normal people – soccer moms, librarians, non-NeoCons, etc. So one has to propose realistic policy options that will actually have a chance to go into public debate.

    Why are you promoting more of what goes against Western interests?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Frankie P
  65. EagleEyeX says:

    Always , Always , and everywhere …..the obnoxious and putrid shadow of Isreal…Jews, conniving, manipulating, subverting, distorting, extorting, blackmailing, infesting ….someone help me continue.
    Like Douglas Reed said at some point in ” The Controversy of Zion”..(discredited of course), it inspires or evokes a feeling of the presence of “evil”.
    And the world just seems to stand there while watching it right in front and somehow doesn’t see it. And rips you to pieces if you see it and call it what it is….so who is it better to be ripped to pieces by? This evil looking all of us defiantly in the face …..or those who deny that it exist and destroy us for having seen it and described it?
    Seems it has become a no win situation…….I hope that there are better men out there than me that are fearless enough to take it on head to head. If not it will take us all down …….seems that it has now calibrated itself to do just that if it does not get what it wants or if we expose it for the fraud that it really is.
    Let’s just collectively keep on denying history and any and all who expose this scum for what it really is. Just keep those heads in the sand folks.
    Goddamn I miss Gore Vidal, IF Stone, Hitchens I guess. Some other heavyweights I can never aspire to be. Some gifted and brazen gunslinger who can look dead into the camera and tell it like the fuck it is. Put paid to this disgusting horse shit being spoon fed to the American people and the world. I mean we got myriad of these double passport bastards running media , business, and even our government bending over to kiss there criminal asses in this country. Where the fuck is our brains and balls? If it goes down like all the writing on the wall seems to clearly point out……..we deserve it.

    • Agree: Kolo
  66. EagleEyeX says:

    Above is my comment Philip….you know who I am. I appreciate you more that you can imagine, I have told you so. Thank you.

  67. dahoit says:
    @Philip Smeeton

    The jew is a jew is a jew and lies and lies and lies.See how its goes?

  68. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @a bystander

    @ a bystander I agree the article was great.

    But the comments have failed to address the burning question the article raises..??
    Can Terrorism and terror be defined with sufficient precision that the definition alone serves to prevent media, other misfits, wrongdoers and criminals from using the label “terror or terrorism” as a weapon?

    The public media is privately owned by fewer than ten people.

    • Replies: @Mike From Jersey
  69. Where the fuck is our brains and balls? If it goes down like all the writing on the wall seems to clearly point out……..we deserve it.

    Deserve it indeed. I am both shocked and disgusted at the ignorance, stupidity and gullibility of my fellow goyim. No wonder the Zionutz and such crackpots have nothing but contempt for the bulk of us, including many of the so-called “high IQ” crowd.

    • Agree: Rurik
  70. @anon

    The demise of honest journalism in the corporate media is one of the most serious issues of our time. It may get worse. Zerohedge is reporting a bill in Congress authorizing the government to take control of the internet. This is allegedly to stop “fake news,” but obviously its real purpose is to deny freedom of information to the citizenry.

  71. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    Your method is self-defeating.

    Don’t think so.

    This only creates more refugees and more sympathy for the West to take them in.

    Former yes, later doesn’t look like it as we speak.

    Furthermore, any proposed expulsions of Muslims will be far more palatable to Westerners if they are not sending them into meat-grinder war zones where they will be killed or starved.

    For now.

    As for this:

    ….you have to think of policies that are likely to be adopted by most normal people – soccer moms, librarians, non-NeoCons, etc. So one has to propose realistic policy options that will actually have a chance to go into public debate.

    Maybe.
    Or maybe you don’t understand “normal’ people when they are in distress. Scared of something, for example.

    Why are you promoting more of what goes against Western interests?

    Haha…..
    You mean: having a place in M.E. where all the “Muzzies” can keep destroying each other in decades to come?

    But, you don’t need to worry about me. Your…..”smooth” talk does work with “normal” people. Naive souls and useful idiots that is.

    Who knows, “Muzzies” can even win. Numbers and democracy can do that.

    Worked well for Kosovo Albanians. Working quite well for Albanians in Macedonia as we speak. Hell, Croats in Bosnia and Herzegovina are having some challenging times too. Numbers…..numbers…….

    And “Muzzies” are good in numbers.
    Unless they get…ahm…managed….somewhere in M.E. Decent wars tend to do that.
    Besides, should that happen, especially if Israel gets involved, we could expect a reaction from Muzzies already in Europe.
    And then your..ahm…”normal people” would have good times. When your “soccer mums” can’t go to Sunday game as before…I don’t know, but if I were you I’d get worried.

    Anyway, we’ll see……

    • Replies: @Talha
  72. Frankie P says:
    @Talha

    peterAUS is showing his zionist jockstrap again. He tries to keep it hidden, but sometimes when he makes really huge jumps of folly, the little old blue Star of David flashes for all to see. For as you correctly point out Tahla, the processed wars between the Sunni and Shia do not really benefit the west; they bring a constant stream of economic migrants or refugees who have no plan of assimilation, undermining the stability of those nations. For peterAUS and the Zionist wannabe jocks, they serve two purposes: take the heat off Israel and undermine the Christian west. Both of these bode ill for the future of the world. “See, my method is simple: fratricide between Muzzies in their own region.” What a rank p.o.s. you are, peter.

    Peace indeed.

    • Replies: @Talha
  73. Frankie P says:
    @annamaria

    Exactly!! peterAUS knows that the cooperation will be the destruction of the apartheid Zionist State of Israel, mainly because unlike the elite of nearby and bordering Sunni nations like Egypt, Jordan, and the Gulf States, the Shia are not for sale and will continue to insist on Palestinian self-determination. Why hasn’t he mentioned Hezbollah and Iranian support for the Sunni Palestinians, indeed why hasn’t anyone mentioned it as an example of Shia/Sunni cooperation? Shia forces are sitting just north of Israel’s border, stockpiling guided missiles and ultra-trained by constant war with the Wahhabi headchoppers. 2006 was not even an appetizer. The real McCoy is on its way, and Israel knows it. And peterAUS knows it, too, so he continues he cries for more war among the Shia and Sunni. Know this: Nasrallah is respected and honored by Sunnis who want justice for the Palestinians just as he is by Shia. When the missiles begin to fall, secular Ashkenazi Israeli Jews with money will begin to depart with their second passports to Europe and the US, leaving the Orthodox head bangers, not known for their military prowess, to face the music.

  74. Herald says:
    @peterAUS

    Even the most vehement anti-Muslim should be able to understand that if the US and its lackeys hadn’t sent in their pet Jihadis or bombed the shit out of their countries, then nearly all of those Muslims, currently whooping it up in Europe, would still be at home tending to their camels. It’s as simple as that and Europe is clearly getting its just deserts for going along with Uncle Sam. Europe’s best plan now is to “offer” all Arab migrants an all expenses paid no return trip to Washington.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  75. An excellent question, Philip Giraldi asked: “Is resettling a terrorist front group in the West a good idea?”
    … My answer, Phil, yes!! Will explain.
    … Like when the Big Bad (hombre) Wolf “huffed & puffed” and leveled with the insecure Three Pig citizens: “It’s easier to do False Flag attacks when having the resource of an experienced kosher-certified ‘jihadi’ stationed & on-call nearby your dumb Homeland outpost!”

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  76. peterAUS says:

    Slowly but surely…..:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/young-british-muslims-uk-isis-fighters-syria-return-reintegrate-society-research-a7682836.html

    Keywords, for “normal” people (those soccer moms and such):
    …reintegrated into society….national study…give them a chance….etc.

    The clinch is:

    When people feel isolated and angry because they are not being treated with respect and if they go out and fight in Syria and when they come back there is no help, then I promise you, you will see more terrorism because these young people will think why should I do anything when my own Government don’t care about me

    Fear not.
    It’s even worse in some other places:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-war-bosnia-saudi-arabia-aleppo-weapons-arms-deals-a8451841.html

    In the basement of a bombed-out al-Qaeda arms storage building in eastern Aleppo last year, I found a weapons log book from a mortar factory in Bosnia – with the handwritten name of one of their senior officials, Ifet Krnjic, on each page. It was dispatched from the Balkans with a cargo of 500 120mm mortars in January 2016.

    No need to be worried. Those are just extremists and isolated cases. Don’t worry…do not worry….do….not….worry…..Go shopping. Better, go watch the game.
    Western Europeans I mean, those above, say, Klagenfurt. Those below don’t need me to tell them the truth.

  77. Talha says:
    @Frankie P

    Hey Frankie,

    One advantage of engaging with people on anonymous forums is that they kind of let their true feelings out; I personally find this quite refreshing. Assuming PeterUS is letting us in on his true feelings, it is interesting to note a couple of things:
    1) He states he wants Muslims out of the West (no problem here, everyone has an opinion on this).
    2) He admits that it is true that there really is no popular sentiment in the Muslim world to reconstitute a new Ottoman or Ummayyad invasion
    3) Given the above, instead of thinking it is a good idea to leave the ME alone so that it will be easier to ship Muslims back (more palatable to Westerners, and Muslims would legally fight deportation less)…
    4) He’d rather have a situation where more stable countries are collapsed in order for the refugee crisis to come to a head and there is even more chaos in the West that pushes normal people to extremes that they will be willing to ship non-criminal Muslims into lands that are in the midst of civil wars
    5) Yet he admits Muslims may win in the West through demographics

    I don’t know which side he claims to be on, but the idea that he is on the side of the West is (I’m being generous here) questionable.

    Hmmm…it seems on another thread he quoted verbatim from Elliot Abrams…

    Curiouser and curiouser…

    This simply helps my narrative – which many people already acknowledge on UNZ – most of the worst and unprincipled attacks on Islam and Muslims in general and use this as a justification to commit more military action on the ME comes from a very specific crowd.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  78. peterAUS says:
    @Herald

    Even the most delusional Westerner should be able to understand that Islam is expansionist. By any means necessary.

    And, Islam is incompatible with core Western values.
    It’s as simple as that.

    All the rest is just…….tactics.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @annamaria
  79. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    Oh I don’t get worried – there is nothing that can happen to me that God doesn’t already know of. As long as He is pleased with me, then the vicissitudes of life can be overcome:
    “Those unto whom men said: ‘The people have gathered against you, so fear them.’ But it (only) increased their faith. They replied: ‘God (Alone) is Sufficient for us, and He is the Best Disposer of affairs.’” (3:173)

    God’s Earth is vast, I’ve had a great and blessed near-40 years in the West – no complaints – He will grant me sustenance elsewhere if He has decided it’s time for me to live elsewhere.

    But I thank you for being very open with your feelings and intentions, much appreciated.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  80. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    Not as smooth as expected, but not bad either.
    At least comparing with bulk of comments here.

    Let’s see:
    Hey useful idiots.

    1) He states he wants Muslims out of the West (no problem here, everyone has an opinion on this).

    As a part of a wider problem/solution.

    2) He admits that it is true that there really is no popular sentiment in the Muslim world to reconstitute a new Ottoman or Ummayyad invasion.

    Hehe…didn’t say that. You slipped a bit here. Not smooth at all.

    3) Given the above, instead of thinking it is a good idea to leave the ME alone so that it will be easier to ship Muslims back (more palatable to Westerners, and Muslims would legally fight deportation less)…

    You mean leave them to get strong enough for a more robust attempt of expansion. Smooth……

    4) He’d rather have a situation where more stable countries are collapsed in order for the refugee crisis to come to a head and there is even more chaos in the West that pushes normal people to extremes that they will be willing to ship non-criminal Muslims into lands that are in the midst of civil wars

    Ah….”non-criminal Muslims”. People like you. Got that.

    5) Yet he admits Muslims may win in the West through demographics

    True.

    I don’t know which side he claims to be on, but the idea that he is on the side of the West is (I’m being generous here) questionable.

    Smooth, of sort.

    Hmmm…it seems on another thread he quoted verbatim from Elliot Abrams…

    Curiouser and curiouser…

    This simply helps my narrative – which many people already acknowledge on UNZ – most of the worst and unprincipled attacks on Islam and Muslims in general and use this as a justification to commit more military action on the ME comes from a very specific crowd.

    Dem Joos, of course. Smooth….

    Peace.

    Yeah………….

    • Replies: @Talha
  81. Deluded PeterAUS opined: “Even the most delusional Westerner should be able to understand that Islam is expansionist. By any means necessary.”
    Oh… and Israel is not expansionist?
    (zzZigh) By “means” of a frontal shot to JFK’s throat, selah, Israel managed to covertly expand their endlessly promised-turf and, selah, conquered D.C.!

  82. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    Oh I don’t get worried – there is nothing that can happen to me that God doesn’t already know of. As long as He is pleased with me…

    That’s the spirit.

    But I thank you for being very open with your feelings and intentions, much appreciated.

    No prob, mate. Anytime.
    I respect smart enemies. Much more than idiots on “own side”.

    And I do think you know the truth. Should that moment ever come (which, honestly, I doubt, but there is always a hope….), I feel you know that you’d be treated much better by my types then all those “normal” people you mentioned.
    And I feel it would be similar the other way around.

    Hell, we could even offer you a temp consultancy and even a decent pension after the affair.

    Other way around, well, I’d hope for a quick firing squad.

  83. RobinG says:
    @annamaria

    Thanks. (The first I heard of llama was her spat with @stranahan.) Here’s more from Martin Armstrong: Magnitsky fraud much deeper than Browder. https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/corruption/why-has-the-magnitsky-film-been-banned-in-usa-europe/

    Why Has the Magnitsky Film Been Banned in USA & Europe?

    The Magnitsky Act Behind the Scenes has been pulled from everywhere. You do not ban a film in Europe and the United States if it is wrong. This is perhaps a huge cover-up that goes really beyond comprehension. The film was funded by ZDF TV in Europe and they have the power to prevent it from being shown despite the fact that they are taking a huge loss. They would not do that unless there was political pressure behind it.

    Trump canceled his meeting with Putin he said until this “Russian witchhunt is over.” The Magnitsky Act is being expanded throughout the West. Canada in 2017 passed its version of the Magnitsky Act. Denmark and Sweden moved for versions of the Magnitsky Acts. Estonia voted to ban entry to foreigners deemed guilty of human rights abuses in a law targeting Russia and inspired by the Magnitsky case. We also have versions of the Magnitsky Act adopted in Britain, Lithuania, and Latvia. This is clearly not to help Browder get his money back. This is the start of a narrative that is trying to convince everyone in the West that Russia is the dark enemy and then we MUST go to war to annihilate them once and for all. This is the script that is being sold to justify war.

    There is NO WAY that Russia or Putin killed Magnitsky. He would have been a witness against Hermitage Capital and everyone behind the entire case. The way prosecutions are carried out is always to get a witness from inside the case to testify against everyone else. I do not believe the story being spun that Magnitsky was a whistleblower on government. He would have been the PERFECT witness to build a case against those in the shadows that may have gone back to the theft of money from the IMF and the Bank of New York ordeal. Putin even said that this goes to the SOVEREIGNTY of Russia – the attempted takeover.

    The Magnitsky film never investigated who started Hermitage Capital with the seed capital. It is absurd that Putin would have wanted to kill Magnitsky when he would have exposed how and why the corruption, which preceded Putin, was engaged in taking over Russia.

    It also makes no sense WHY would Congress enact the Magnitsky Act to try to get money back for Browder who resigned his American citizenship. They have also used the Magnitsky Act to keep adding people who have absolutely no connection to Magnitsky. The case is far more than just Browder. That is what Putin is seeking access to in the USA.

    Is this to protect the justification for war with Russia? Even Merkel in Germany said she feared that Putin would interfere in the German elections, which never took place. The entire socialist agenda is collapsing. Those in power have NO way to prevent it. The only way that they see to reset the world economy is another war? So pay attention. The peak is probably around 2027.

    The national average of deaths of prisoners in the United States attributed to suicide is 7%. They are attributed to really mental torture and abuse. I saw way too many suicides myself and attempted suicides. They were not due to guilt, they were typically the innocent who just see that death is better than daily torment and depression. Nobody gives a damn about prisoners in the United States and there are NO human rights groups that EVER visit or pay attention – I NEVER saw even one ever visit. They chant and yell about everyone else around the world but NEVER the United States. I personally would NEVER donate a dime to any of them including the American Civil Liberties Union – its all just BS.

    The ONLY reason the Magnitsky Act has any traction is that it demonizes Russia and sets the stage for war. That is why this film was shut down in Europe and the USA/Canada. It exposes the lie behind the whole affair. They have used Magnitsky’s death to justify war. The film shows that if he was a whistleblower, it was on Hermitage Capital.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @annamaria
  84. Erebus says:
    @Wim

    I think you mean “White Helmets” as Blue usually denotes UN peacekeepers.

    As you note, only a small percentage was evacuated.

    That raises the question whether there was something special with these people.

    A number of alternative sites, including the normally well informed Vanessa Beeley have reported that the evacuation was of Western military personnel using the White Helmets as cover.

    That makes sense, as one would think they’d have accepted being transferred to Idlib where their “humanitarian services” will soon be desperately needed, not to speak of the even more important propagandistic services they’ve come to be better known for.

  85. chris says:
    @peterAUS

    So, longer and bloodier Shia-Sunni conflict goes, for those in the know, better it is. White helmets, gassing, mayhem in Syria, possible mayhem in Iran…all good.
    Very good actually.

    you‘ve got to start cutting down on the Foster‘s buddy, you‘re beginning to sound like a raving lunatic; I mean, nudge, nudge, know what I mean ? („for those in the know“)

    • Replies: @Herald
  86. @Philip Smeeton

    And you are dumb, stupid, ignorant as the fool you are, Philip!
    In America we are proud to be, you know, mostly of Jewish and Christian whatever and we are number one! USA USA USA- number one in the world, as ‘Judeo-Christian’ heritage ones-
    we are number one in-
    rape-child abuse-murder-

  87. Ben_C says:

    Phil…

    I personally don’t think posting videos of dead bodies of decapitated Syrian soldiers being dumped on the back of pickup trucks on the internet and cheering about it at the same time is some sort of “humanitarian effort”…

    https://rachelblevins.com/2017/06/21/gruesome-video-white-helmets-beheading-dumping-syrian-army-bodies/

    But hey… That’s just me…

  88. Vojkan says:
    @jacques sheete

    True, it was theorised and existed before. There are plenty of examples throughout History. One could start with the Roman Empire.
    It is during the Clinton era though that it really gained momentum, as banksterism existed before but it is during the Clinton era that it really got unleashed. It is the period when the West definitely switched from an inventive, productive economy to a “globalised”, in fact delocalised, bubble-based economy, and when peaceful diplomacy was definitely abolished.
    The only truly inventive people in the period have been banksters. You don’t even imagine how inventive they’ve been in order to avoid accountability for squandering the little people’s money while augmenting their own. I know a bit about it for having spent a few years as a software consultant in banks. In comparison, the military are saints.
    Let’s not forget “affirmative action” – called “positive discrimination” in France – that laid the foundations of the leftist ideological terror we endure today.
    No one could have done the job as well as the Clinton couple did it. Slick Willie and his hag had both the perversity and the charisma, they epitomise psychopathy. Really, for all their crimes and if the USA was indeed a state of law, they should be hanging.

  89. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    @ Hearld

    Could you be so kind as to explain (list of reasons) Islam is incompatible to westerners? What I have seen is Jewish warriors are incompatible with all others; few nations have expand their power, control, influence, criminality, and territories more rapidly than has Israel.
    The “by any means possible” describes the history of the use of force by Israel. Israel is the most expansionist government in the world; its leaders will use any means possible to expand. (Occupation of Palestine, the Private Jewish Settlements in Occupied Palestine, and the expulsion of Syria from the Golan Heights Ghangis Kong could not have done more. May be I am wrong.. It will be interesting to see your list. thanks

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @ChuckOrloski
  90. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    This is the script that is being sold to justify war.

    I disagree. As recent history has shown, the US and its BFF never wage war against a strong, nuclear-armed, enemy. They prefer to attack countries that are easy pickings – i.e., those that do not have WMDs and whose military budget is a fraction of theirs.

    No, IMHO the motivation behind this isn’t war. It is to create leverage against a powerful nation that is a permanent member of the UNSC that wields a veto. This pressure can be used against Russia so that she more freely complies with the will of the hegemon, especially in MENA. That’s why they spent $5 B to orchestrate the Maidan coup and why they pushed through the Magnitsky Act. It creates the pressure on Russia to cut a deal against Iran, Syria et. al that the Russians otherwise wouldn’t be prepared to accept. Only time will tell what the contours of that deal may look like.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @ChuckOrloski
  91. Vojkan says:
    @anon

    Read the suras not as they are ordered in the Qur’an but in their chronological order, and if you still think that it is more compatible with Western civilisation than Talmudism then OK. I consider them both totally incompatible with Christianity.
    True, there are muslims who are good people, I have actually met more muslims than Jews who were truly good people. Can they be considered true muslims though if they don’t follow the Qur’an in its chronological order but are instead picky with the suras they choose to follow? True, the Talmud is racist at its core while the Qu’ran isn’t so. Nevertheless, as a matter of personal opinion, I consider the values of Taoism and Buddhism more compatible with mine than those of Islam or Judaism, in spite of totally different theological concepts.
    That said, I still prefer a picky muslim to the toxic leftist atheists who are destroying European civilisation.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @anon
  92. annamaria says:
    @RobinG

    It would be tragic if Magnitsky died due to medical neglect – because Magnitsky was, indeed, the most valuable witness for the malicious activities by the western financial institutions and criminal financiers working in cahoots with the US government.

    The ways the story is unraveling, it looks as if the medical neglect could be “arranged” by Browder & Co, the same ways the Russian key participants (of criminal persuasion) in Hermitage affair were mysteriously murdered in a timely fashion, one after another.

    We can be sure that the Russian Federation has some serious incriminating material on Browder, which the US Congress does not want to hear.

    The unraveling story does look like a failed attempt at takeover of Russia. And it also looks that Browder the Scoundrel has become a useful sacrificial material.

    The sequestration of Nekrasov’s movie is as scandalous as the sequestration of Solzhenitsyn’s documentary. The freedom of information (the First Amendment) was smothered, along with other important achievements of western civilization, to protect the idiotic decisions and activities by the “deciders.”
    “Back to the USSR,” indeed.

  93. @anon

    With maturity & knowledge, anon #317 asked shallow PeterAUS: “Could you be so kind as to explain (list of reasons) Islam is incompatible to westerners? What I have seen is Jewish warriors are incompatible with all others;”
    Hi anon,
    … The Saudi Wahabbi variant of Islam is proven compatible to Israel, the latter nation which exercises tremendous influence upon Western nations who fell victim to the International Zionist financial power & subsequent will to global domination.
    … So regrettable for me to consider how the American-Israeli Empire easily created & financed ISIS’s valuable undertakings in Iraq & Syria.
    … To boot, a majority of Christian Zionist Baptists & Evangelicals cheerlead immoral Israeli “warriors” & consequent ruination of what remains of American “White Cowboy Helmet” image, prestige.

  94. annamaria says:
    @peterAUS

    You are projecting. The openly expansionist Oded Yinon plan has been a blueprint for the ongoing Wars for Israel in the Middle East.
    The compatibility, or not, of Islam with western civilization was not a problem till your zionist parasitoid has captured the US and pushed for the mass slaughter of Muslims and Christians in the Middle East.
    It is the Talmudism and Talmudists that should leave western civilization alone.

  95. KenH says:

    The 800 White Helmets rescued reportedly will be resettled in the U.S., Britain and Germany.

    Why won’t Israel or Jordan resettle them in their countries? Jordan especially since they are a Sunni Muslim nation. Alan Dershowitz once claimed that Izzy was a pluralistic democracy, so no better way to prove that than to accept some extremist Muslims with blood on their hands.

    These animals don’t belong in the West living high on the welfare hog.

  96. @Wim

    How come 87 White Helmets (or Blue Helmets for that matter) would have over 300 family members with them in Syria? It is so far from making sense I wonder how you can make your comment without commenting on that.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  97. Sounds like a typical Jew-financed front group.

  98. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    They were, or so the story goes, native Syrian volunteers rescuing the bejeezus out of their barrel-bombed and gassed neighbours. Every muslim, or so the story goes, has at least 8 children so the real question is what sort of “hero” leaves 2/3s of his family behind to die in the imminent onslaught of the evil dictator’s barrel-bombing, sirin/chlorine dumping juggernaut.

    More curiously still, the separation scene must have ramped Sophie’s Choice to the nth power, yet there’s not so much as a 3 minute video.

    And… as if the anomalies would finally end there, they’re headed for UK, Canada, Germany etc. instead of Jordan, UAE, KSA, where they could at least be close to such members of their families that may have survived.

    What a weird bunch those White Helmets are.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  99. anonymous[225] • Disclaimer says:

    The onslaught of defamation and calumny against Putin has been because he thwarted the evil scheme of the US and it’s allies in supporting the hideous Islamic fanatics in Syria. If one can remember the US also supported Pol Pot back in the day when he was opposing the Vietnamese. There’s no group too extreme for the US not to support if it feels it furthers it’s presumed interests. Can one imagine what a bloodbath there would have been had ISIS and it’s allies actually overthrown the secular dictatorship of Syria? All the blood from this ugly war is on the hands of the US and it’s partners in crime. The White Helmets show the limitless funds available for these Orwellian propaganda fabrications. Nice, having these and other war criminals settled nearby unsuspecting citizens. Who knows how many people they’ve murdered?

    • Agree: RobinG
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @annamaria
  100. @anonymous

    As my first choice explanation for America’s Middle East disasters is folly, ignorance and hubris I wonder whether a better analysis might be that when the US (and allies especially Britain and even Turkey) blundered into the project of removing Assad to free up the oppressed majority it was more misguided than somehow wickedly supporting known jihadists and bloodthirsty fanatics. That is not to say that we shouldn’t be glad that Putin came with relatively clean hands to rescue the least worst solution by supporting Assad’s government. Curiously, even the Israelis seem comfortable enough with the outcome. Perhaps they are confident that Russia will stay and inhibit the Iranian extension of power to the Mediterranean.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  101. annamaria says:
    @anonymous

    “The White Helmets show the limitless funds available for these Orwellian propaganda fabrications.”
    —True. The Zionized USA empire has no moral scruples whatsoever. The worshippers of Mammon are good at sacrificing any and all human beings for gesheft.

    Here, in the magnificent essay by Michael Hudson, is a concise explanation of the ZUSA’s madness: https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2018/08/michael-hudson-life-thought-autobiography.html
    Michael Hudson: “So here I was right in the middle of understanding how imperialism really worked. This was not what is in most textbooks. Most don’t talk about the balance of payments, but the key to financial imperialism is the balance of payments. The United States fights to prevent other countries from going back to the gold standard, because at the time America went off gold in August 1971, every American dollar bill was backed 25% by gold at $35 an ounce. Well, finally there was no more surplus gold, and that’s what forced America off gold.” — And it was the “war spending that had driven America off gold.”

    Another excerpt: “In the 9th century there was a big fight against strong royal power. It was sort of like Donald Trump and the Tea Party Republicans are fighting against the state, like the privatization in the Soviet Union fighting against the state. The Byzantine emperor invited general Bardas to a big meal. The general said, “There’s only one thing that you should do if you want to end the warfare. You have to tax the wealthy families so that they don’t have any surplus at all. You have to give them so much burden that they can’t fight against you. You have to prevent the polarization of wealth, because if you let the private sector make an enormous amount of wealth, they’re going to try to fight against you and keep all the wealth for themselves that you and the palace are now getting.”

    And another excerpt: “The West is moving rapidly into economic barbarism and militarism. As you can see, the austerity program of the Euro is destroying the economy there. The United States is cutting taxes on the rich, while indebting the working class very highly.”

  102. RobinG says:
    @Erebus

    native Syrian volunteers

    Yes, and I’ve met a couple who were brought to DC to speak at the Atlantic Council. They were, they said, doing rescue work from the beginning, before the White Helmets were invented. Then they were incorporated into the WH organization.

    It was hard to tell how much, if at all, they realized that WH is a propaganda unit. All over the world, people with good intentions are coopted and used. Millions of dollars have been flowing into WH. If these people were legitimate first aiders, no doubt they were grateful for influx of cash and provisions. Did they know that, elsewhere, WH was staging false flags, or were they duped like most everybody else? Quien sabe.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  103. APilgrim says:

    I agree that John McCain’s ‘White-Helmets’ are dangerous, terrorist pond scum.

    Any ‘friend’ of Obama & Hillary, & the Gang-of-8, is an enemy of mine. No way, should President Trump allow any ‘White-Helmets’, into the USA.

    But, I suppose, the fix is in.

  104. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    War is war is war. Current economic sanctions on Russia are an Act of War.

  105. Erebus says:
    @RobinG

    Then they were incorporated into the WH organization.

    It was hard to tell how much, if at all, they realized that WH is a propaganda unit. All over the world, people with good intentions are coopted and used.

    A valid point. I doubt any such were on those Jordan bound buses, however.

  106. APilgrim says:

    True, that the Globalist ‘war-party’ NeoCONs are determined to rekindle the ‘Cold War’.

    Globalist NeoCONs are scum.

    Vladimir Putin & Banashar Assad are responsible political leaders. IMHPO

  107. Herald says:
    @chris

    Granted, Peter has the odd lucid moment, though far fewer these days but for the most part he will sound like what he is, a raving lunatic. Best just put up with it, he’s part of the furniture.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  108. RobinG says:
    @Herald

    No. A lunatic would be unfit to be judged. peterAus is evil. At the very least, unsuspecting children should be warned to steer clear.

    • Replies: @Herald
  109. peterAUS says:
    @Vojkan

    …Read the suras not as they are ordered in the Qur’an but in their chronological order…

    Yup.

    True, there are muslims who are good people, I have actually met more muslims than Jews who were truly good people. Can they be considered true muslims though if they don’t follow the Qur’an in its chronological order but are instead picky with the suras they choose to follow?

    Precisely.
    Keyword “picky“.

    And…hehe…interestingly enough, I do share the same sentiment:

    That said, I still prefer a picky muslim to the toxic leftist atheists who are destroying European civilisation.

    I could probably spend a nice afternoon debating with Talha. Not even five minutes with “toxix leftists”.

    Islam, as preached to and believed by masses, needs reforming. Doesn’t seem likely in the near future.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  110. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As my first choice explanation for America’s Middle East disasters is folly, ignorance and hubris…

    On the surface, definitely.
    But, if you take into account that the primary reason could be creating and maintaining CHAOS there some things could start making sense.
    Weakening Europe as a secondary objective.

    If/when you have time/inclination take a look at some George Friedman’s writings. He states that very clear. Surprisingly clear in fact.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  111. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Just saying

    No Just being a freaking moron

  112. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan

    I have met a lot of good Christian . I have met a lot of true believers in democracy voting rights , respect for other cultures and needs.
    Can they be compatible with denying heath care to the babies and children, waging or on Iran Syria Iraq Pakistan Afghanistan , can they be compatible with using bible to support Israel allow building of settlements, allow Gaza being kept under blockade and extortion and sanctions by Israel/USA, can they be compatible with just plain simple normal human being ?
    Can they be compatible or their views with applying sanctions on Iran?
    No Fuck They are not

    and F that kind of democracy that survives by screwing rest of the world .

    Before looking at Islam , look at your pastor father, church leaders politicians and the neighbors who accompany you to that sorts of shit hole of moral intellectual stupidities.

    May be White Helmet is compatible with your type of religion ,upbringing and democracy and culture.

  113. Good news from Syria: one of the senior commanders of Nour al-Din al-Zenki (the “moderate” group that beheaded a Palestinian boy on camera; description and the video of that hideous crime here: https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/aleppo-rebels-behead-a-child/) Abu Alhalik Abdulla Jiro was killed by competing bandits from Hayat Tahrir as-Sham in Idlib. The moment of the explosion was caught on camera (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=13&v=KX0gostSvV8&has_verified=1).

    It is in fact funny how they did it. They planted booby-trapped Syrian flag on his route. Being a crazy Islamist, he stopped to take down the flag. Apparently, he triggered the device and was blown to pieces. Tahrir as-Sham then proceeded to set up an ambush at the spot and killed a few additional al-Zenki bandits when they came to recover his body.

    Let all Islamists supported by the “democratic” West kill each other. I wish their sponsors would also follow suit. The Earth would be a better place.

  114. @peterAUS

    I haven’t been reading Geotge Friedman recently. I can understand his making your CHAOS point if what is referred to as the Israeli interest in keeping the ME Balkanised. Is that his point?

    That he should suggest America is motivated to weaken Europe I find astonishing. How does he argue that?

  115. @geokat62

    With plain spoken wisdom, geokat62 wrote:
    “It Magnitsky Act) creates the pressure on Russia to cut a deal against Iran, Syria et. al that the Russians otherwise wouldn’t be prepared to accept.”
    Hi geo,
    As you likely know, today, as Jewish Corporate Media reported Putin’s gallant attempt to resuscitate nuke arm limitation talks, the Zionist’s frontman, President Trump, applied warlike “PRESSURE” upon him by slapping additional economic sanctions upon Russia.
    … Thanks for your service, geo!

  116. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well….I am, sort of flattered, that you ask me to explain Friedman here.
    Embarrassed too, I am afraid. It would be much better to read the man himself; he’s pretty open and prolific in stating all that.

    I’ll try, briefly, and, be warned, not well enough:

    I can understand his making your CHAOS point if what is referred to as the Israeli interest in keeping the ME Balkanised. Is that his point?

    Not quite. While all that would definitely benefit Israel Friedman is focused on what’s, in his view, American interest.
    The region in important to multiple players; some of those players can present a direct challenge to US. By creating chaos there those players will get involved in that chaos to protect their interests there.
    Chaos will force those potential competitors to waste time and resources they would, otherwise, use to directly challenge US.
    Or….in other words, they, competitors, will get exhausted there MORE than US.

    Something like that.

    Again, the man explains that quite well.
    And, I find that explanation plausible.

    That he should suggest America is motivated to weaken Europe I find astonishing. How does he argue that?

    Weak enough not to challenge US supremacy in the world.

    It’s all about maintaining the position on the top.
    Whatever it takes.
    Whatever.
    Again, he explains that well……

  117. @Wizard of Oz

    Thus worthlessly spake Wizard of Oz to Captain CHAOS, PeterAUS: “… if what is referred to as the Israeli interest in keeping the ME Balkanised. Is that his (George Friedman) point?”
    (zZigh)
    By chance, a question. Does Wiz Friedman discuss how Zionist Israeli fanatics (rather quickly) managed to evermore “Balkanise” America while nationwide Chambers of Commerce enthusiasts cheered the free- flow of cheap labor across the deindustrialized ZUS’s southern belly. (zzZigh) And then came the 9/11 False Flag attack, intimidating weaponized-anthrax letters mailed to “slacker” Congressmen, &, voila, subsequent chaotic passage of the pre-planned Patriot Act!
    … Homeland Chaos as Zionist WMD.

  118. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Found something on one of my machines.
    Quick skim and some quotes you could find interesting.
    The last in particular; I’ll put it first and last, with my bold:

    …the United States had the ultimate aim of preventing the emergence of any major power in Eurasia. The paradox, however, is as follows: the goal of these interventions was never to achieve something—whatever the political rhetoric might have said—but to prevent something. The United States wanted to prevent stability in areas where another power might emerge. Its goal was not to stabilize, but to destabilize.

    Certainly, as is usually the case, the United States currently appears to be making a mess of things around the world. But it’s important not to be confused by the passing chaos. The United States is economically, militarily, and politically the most powerful country in the world, and there is no real challenger to that power

    The inherent power of the United States coupled with its geographic position makes the United States the pivotal actor of the twenty- first century. That certainly doesn’t make it loved. On the contrary, its power makes it feared. The history of the twenty- first century, therefore, particularly the first half, will revolve around two opposing struggles. One will be secondary powers forming coalitions to try to contain and control the United States. The second will be the United States acting preemptively to prevent an effective coalition from forming.

    The United States responded by invading the Islamic world. But its goal wasn’t victory. It wasn’t even clear what victory would mean. Its goal was simply to disrupt the Islamic world and set it against itself, so that an Islamic empire could not emerge.
    The United States doesn’t need to win wars. It needs to simply disrupt things so the other side can’t build up sufficient strength to challenge it.

    Psychologically, the United States is a bizarre mixture of overconfidence and insecurity. Interestingly, this is the precise description of the adolescent mind, and that is exactly the American condition in the twenty- first century. The world’s leading power is having an extended adolescent identity crisis, complete with incredible new strength and irrational mood swings. Historically, the United States is an extraordinarily young and therefore immature society. So at this time we should expect nothing less from America than bravado and despair. How else should an adolescent feel about itself and its place in the world?

    The American response to 9/11 seemed to make no sense, and on the surface it didn’t. It looked chaotic and it looked random, but underneath, it was to be expected.

    America was born out of war and has continued to fight to this day at an ever increasing pace. Norway’s grand strategy might be more about economics than warfare, but U.S. strategic goals, and U.S. grand strategy, originate in fear.

    And, again, the crux:

    …the United States had the ultimate aim of preventing the emergence of any major power in Eurasia. The paradox, however, is as follows: the goal of these interventions was never to achieve something—whatever the political rhetoric might have said—but to prevent something. The United States wanted to prevent stability in areas where another power might emerge. Its goal was not to stabilize, but to destabilize.

    And more….

    …..Rhetoric aside, the United States has no overriding interest in peace in Eurasia. The United States also has no interest in winning a war outright….

    ….the purpose of these conflicts is simply to block a power or destabilize the region, not to impose order. In due course, even outright American defeat is acceptable.

    And, last but not the least….

    The United States has a huge margin of error. It is safe in North America and has tremendous power. The United States therefore tends to be careless in how it exercises its power globally. It’s not stupid. It simply doesn’t need to be more careful—in fact, being more careful could often reduce its efficiency.

    So…there it is.

  119. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    didn’t say that

    You said “true…true” to my following statement:
    there is no push anywhere whether in popular Muslim sentiment or from any Islamic scholars or institutions that are talking about military invasions of Western lands

    How else is someone supposed to interpret your confirmation?

    You mean leave them to get strong enough for a more robust attempt of expansion.

    No, I mean stop destroying countries and killing off thousands and making lives generally miserable for people in that region. Including Christians other minorities may I add, who were doing OK in the stable countries of the area before we made it into a breeding ground for extremist groups.

    You have convinced yourself that Muslims are just waiting for the opportunity to grow strong and send armies into the West. This is based on feelz. This is fine, but it has little support from any serious facts on the ground. Muslim nations have been just fine with the non-aggression post-WW2 protocols and there is no sentiment to march on Europe or China or anywhere else.

    As annamaria has stated, you are projecting at this point. The only person that seems to be celebrating mayhem and destruction in other people’s land is yourself.

    ”non-criminal Muslims”

    That’s interesting – the assumption being Muslims are, by default, criminals?

    People like you.

    Uh yeah, apart from a couple of traffic violations I haven’t broken any laws nor do I plan to. As I mentioned, I’m fine with being asked to go back to Muslim lands – when I see the official federal notice in the mail, I’ll start planning. The one’s who will be kicking and screaming will be the more secular Muslims.

    Dem Joos, of course

    Hardly. I can distinguish between Zionists (like Abrams) and your everyday common Jewish person. Even within Zionists you have varying strains from more moderate to off-the-wall extremists. I’ve even gotten flack around here for being cordial to the Jews I interact with.

    If you want to use the criticism-of-Zionism-is-anti-Semitism canard, please try harder.

    I feel you know that you’d be treated much better by my types then all those “normal” people you mentioned.

    Not sure – you seem to be fine with flaunting international law to destroy Muslim countries and cause chaos there. Why am I to assume you would be a paragon of Anglo-Saxon rule-of-law type here?

    I mean, I outlined that there is a very legal way to get things done (even expulsions of Muslims), but you seem insistent on hoping that the problem metastasizes to the brink of civil war in which the “normies” will be willing to side with extreme measures. This seems to be insisting on bring the worst-case scenario to fruition – why?

    Other way around, well, I’d hope for a quick firing squad.

    Sure, if I was a non-Muslim that had convinced myself that Muslims were out to flay me alive, I’d hope for that too.

    Fortunately, most non-Muslims don’t think this way and are willing to give Muslims benefit of the doubt and assume we want to move forward in good faith to avoid our mutually bloody history. For instance, I think it’s great that elderly French people are increasingly retiring to a stable Muslim country like Morocco where they can live out their twilight years in a traditional Muslim society and afford to live well and hire help:

    http://moroccomedia.com/2017/03/14/french-expats-on-the-rise-in-morocco/

    I’ll leave it to the rest of the people observing, if they are convinced by your claim that Muslims will want to destroy them in some distant future and thus their tax dollars are well-spent in destroying Muslims and visiting misery upon them now.

    The insights by George Friedman were quite illuminating – Macchiavelli would have been quite proud.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @peterAUS
    , @peterAUS
  120. geokat62 says:
    @peterAUS

    The United States responded by invading the Islamic world. But its goal wasn’t victory. It wasn’t even clear what victory would mean. Its goal was simply to disrupt the Islamic world and set it against itself, so that an Islamic empire could not emerge.

    LOL. The muzzies were this close to re-establishing the Caliphate, until the US cavalry rode over the hill and came to the rescue.

    This guy sure is a geopolitical genius. What’s his name, again? George Friedman, you say? He couldn’t possibly have an angle, could he?

    btw – wiki slipped up, again:

    [György] Friedman was born in Budapest, Hungary to Jewish parents who survived the Holocaust.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Friedman

    There it is. Every. Single. Time.

  121. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    You have convinced yourself that Muslims are just waiting for the opportunity to grow strong and send armies into the West. This is based on feelz. This is fine, but it has little support from any serious facts on the ground.

    While it may have little support from any serious facts on the ground, it has the support of a serious geopolitical pundit, one György Friedman. Who needs facts, when you have a genius like György on your side?

    • LOL: Talha
  122. @peterAUS

    PeterAUS, quoted this absurdity: “The United States wanted to prevent stability in areas where another power might emerge. Its goal was not to stabilize, but to destabilize.”
    Hi Captain PeterChaos,
    … The elite (international) Zionist Jew wanted to prevent stability in what was (!) once, long ago, identified as the United States. Such awesome diabolical power engineered the Zionist United States of America, and any (internal) resistant political, economic, cultural, and academic forces were submerged.
    … ZUSA was not created to ‘stabilize” anything but Israel’s distorted ideological, territorial, & profit making requirements.
    Above, so “there it is,” Captain PeterChaos.
    … (zzZigh) You’re lucky to have the Wiz engaging you in flippant comment exchange.
    … Selah, don’t ask what (stabilization) perks the ZUSA can do for you, but selah, ask what groveling action you can do for the ZUS!

    • Replies: @Anon
  123. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    You have convinced yourself that Muslims are just waiting for the opportunity to grow strong and send armies into the West.

    Or….you are trying to convince yourself and gullible and naïve Westerners that Muslims do not seek to take over. Slowly, patiently, in time.

    .. the assumption being Muslims are, by default, criminals

    Or…the fact being Muslims are, by default, incompabile.

    I mean, I outlined that there is a very legal way to get things done (even expulsions of Muslims), but you seem insistent on hoping that the problem metastasizes to the brink of civil war in which the “normies” will be willing to side with extreme measures. This seems to be insisting on bring the worst-case scenario to fruition – why?

    I’d change it to best-case scenario to fruition. Always depends on which side of a stick one is.

    Fortunately, most non-Muslims don’t think this way and are willing to give Muslims benefit of the doubt and assume we want to move forward in good faith to avoid our mutually bloody history.

    You sure? Besides, doesn’t matter, for a couple of reasons. I am sure you know them. You appear to be good with history.

    I’ll leave it to the rest of the people observing, if they are convinced by your claim that Muslims will want to destroy them in some distant future…

    Sounds good.

    The insights by George Friedman were quite illuminating ….

    I know.

    • Replies: @Ben_C
    , @Talha
  124. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    This isn’t either place or time to seriously talk about the topic. We both know that.
    But, if we were to talk about some practicalities of the issue, re:

    Why am I to assume you would be a paragon of Anglo-Saxon rule-of-law type here?

    You don’t strike me as dumb, so, the answer is obvious. Martial law and such, for plenty of idiots reading our, ahm, “discussion”.

    All hypothetical, of course.

    I don’t, personally, think that scenario is likely. More likely is that both you and me will live under serious surveillance/police state. Serious.

    Should the environment conductive to that scenario, somehow, does materialize, I am sure you are smart enough to know that the main danger for you, personally, wouldn’t be coming from guys like me. You know very well who the real danger will be. Which can present you with a terrible personal dilemma: join or reject.

    And, should you choose the later, well, then guys like me could even be of some help.

    The world we live in, a?

  125. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The world is at a fork in the road. Either it devolves into a partition of the world into 3 zones of influence, or Eurasia integrates successfully, leaving the US (here used as a proxy for “the Anglo world”) out in the cold, doing what it can to lord it over N & S America. I don’t know about Friedman, but that the US’ primary imperial imperative is to keep Eurasian integration from coming somehow is a given in geo-political strategy circles.

    As a few in those circles have pointed out, Eurasian integration, is based on three main pillars:
    - Europe’s design/engineering prowess and consumption capacity
    - China’s financial and industrial horsepower
    - Russia’s natural, transport and human resources, but more crucially its ability to provide a security umbrella and as arbiter of energy flows for the whole.
    Integration of those 3 strengths into “One market, from Lisbon to Vladivostok ” is the goal of China’s BRI, and the focus of Russia’s military buildup and military/diplomatic/political activity.

    Take any one of them away, and the remaining two would be hard-pressed to integrate usefully to anywhere close to maximum effect.

    The point of destabilization, whether it’s Afghanistan or the M.E., or Europe is to create conditions under which the Empire can take control of critical nodes. Even if it fails to achieve the latter, keeping the destabilized entity from acting as a sovereign, or from useful control by rivals is an acceptable consolation prize.

    Ergo, if the destabilization of Europe isn’t on somebody’s To-Do list in Washington, the Empire better look for some new strategists fast. If one looks at events however, it’s pretty clear that the idea has Washington’s attention.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  126. Erebus says:
    @peterAUS

    Certainly, as is usually the case, the United States currently appears to be making a mess of things around the world. But it’s important not to be confused by the passing chaos. The United States is economically, militarily, and politically the most powerful country in the world, and there is no real challenger to that power

    The point is not whether the US is the most powerful country in the world, but for how long it will remain so.

    Given that…
    - Its economy, on a PPP basis, is approx $6T(!) behind China’s, and its real economy is smaller still.
    - Its military lives in fear of confrontation with even near peers, and wouldn’t dare confront a peer.
    - Its political capital has been spent. Most of the world, including most of its “allies” wishes it would just go away.
    … it’s difficult to argue against the fact that “economically, militarily, and politically” its power is waning at an accelerating rate, if it hasn’t in fact become 2nd rate on all 3 counts.

    Based on your quotes, Friedman misses entirely the source of the US’ power. Namely, the US’ remaining power comes from its control of the financial institutions that run the world. The Eurasians are working on it, but they’re a long way from taking the world’s financial structures out of American hands. Political & economic destabilization is the means by which those institutions are kept under American control.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @peterAUS
  127. Ben_C says:
    @peterAUS

    Or….you are trying to convince yourself and gullible and naive Westerners that Muslims do not seek to take over. Slowly, patiently, in time.

    Approximately 1.5 billion people are Muslims…including Bashar al-Assad. What is your point exactly?

    I guess the Catholics took over when JFK got elected… Is that what you’re saying peterAUS?

    I just don’t understand what you’re trying to say or your point…

    Please elaborate.

  128. @Erebus

    I wouldn’t doubt that weakening Europe has been floated by more than one of DC’s Dr. Strangeloves but, apart from merely sensible calm people, I can see major opposition from American multinational corporations and their servicing professionals. Of course “weaken” needs definition and no doubt qualification on any likely version of the argument. At first glance anyway it is hard to see any attempt to weaken Europe militarily….

    • Replies: @Erebus
  129. @Erebus

    Can you give some examples of cause and effect to illustrate and explain your last sentence?

    How far does the US go in punishing foreign banks with US assets that engage in transactions outside the US in currencies other than the $US which are contrary to the purposes of US sanctions?

    To the extent that US withdrawal from the Iran deal plus imposition of sanctions tests US ability to coerce others through its financial privilege could it not actually precipitate the end of its financial coercive power and the rise of trade in Yuan, Yen, Euros and GBPs?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  130. @peterAUS

    Are all those quotes from Stratfor and George Friedman in particular?

    I particularly liked the last quote about America’s large margin for error making it careless. Careless of non American and lower class lives certainly but careless about getting to understand the problems well enough to even know what policies and actions might work.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  131. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Please take your medication if you are going to engage in intelligent conversation. You might start by actually reading what was actually written and noting who said it before letting off one of your brain farts.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  132. Anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Sensible last paragraph. Are all those quotes from George Friedman? Where?

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  133. Vojkan says:
    @peterAUS

    “I could probably spend a nice afternoon debating with Talha. Not even five minutes with “toxix leftists”.

    From his comments, he does seem indeed definitely more open minded than the sooo open-minded “progressives”.

  134. Herald says:
    @Mike From Jersey

    Perhaps the White Helmets contain a substantial component of US/NATO/Israeli special forces.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  135. APilgrim says:

    The USA needs a TOTAL BAN on Muhammadans.

    A 1,000 year ban, will provide sufficient time, for Muhammadans to leave the 6th century.

    But don’t hold your breath.

  136. @Herald

    That is a definite possibility!

    • Replies: @Anon
  137. @Anon

    Anon hasbara agent # 198 advised me: “Please take your medication if you are going to engage in intelligent conversation… You might start before letting off one of your brain farts.”
    Hi Anon agent #198,
    …Fyi, as a life long member of the Greek Catholic (Byzantine) Church, I had access to affordable (mental health care) medication that had no nefarious-pharmaceutical side effects!
    … For example, a Zio-unwashed assertion in John of Patmos’s “Revelation” (2:9) confided the following cranial heads-up: “I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”
    … Selah, Blazing Saddles and exposure of fragrant Jewish Corporate Media farts.

  138. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    … it is hard to see any attempt to weaken Europe militarily….

    No doubt, but who said anything about “militarily”? Besides, could it become militarily weaker than it is?

    … I can see major opposition from American multinational corporations and their servicing professionals.

    I can’t. I can and do see major opposition from European multinationals, especially the Germans but the Italians aren’t far behind. Russia sanctions cost them €Bs. Europe’s many SMEs, especially in niche engineering fields, and of course the food industry we hear about got nailed as well.

    Anyway, judging by their silence over the Russia sanctions (whose effect, if not stated intent, harmed Europe more than anybody else) and more recently over the imposition of tariffs on EU goods, American multi-nationals seem good with it so far.

  139. Anon[697] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    That’s a bit too vague. NATO? Really? “Special forces” meaning what? Rangers, Seals? “Substantial component”? Can you really believe, given no big leaks from people who have been with lots of WHs, that it would have been more than some plausible agents provocateurs, the Arabic speaking ones almost certainly provided by Mossad?

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  140. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    Muslims do not seek to take over. Slowly, patiently, in time.

    Muslims seek to have kids and stable families. IF current demographic trends continue (along with current rates of conversion into Islam*), then Muslim demographic preeminence is an inevitability. This is not some underhanded or secret-sauce plan…this is basic arithmetic. I have four kids, my brother has four kids, practically all the Muslim friends I know have either three or four kids.

    Which is why, instead of calling for destruction of Muslim lands, it would behoove someone like you to work on getting native non-Muslim Western families back on track to success. This is what you need to put the smack down on:

    Muslims are, by default, incompabile.

    If you want us to assimilate, then no sale. We can integrate though. Again, if this is a concern, I suggest learning from us and the concepts of dhimmah and millets. I would certainly not mind being part of a reverse-dhimmi agreement – what would my increase in taxes look like; 5, 10, 15%?

    I’d change it to best-case scenario to fruition.

    Then why advocate the worst options that is likely to exacerbate the situation?

    More likely is that both you and me will live under serious surveillance/police state. Serious.

    I can see this happening. The level of technology necessary to come up with the greatest Pharoanic system ever devised is now available. All that is left now is the will to see it through and implement it.

    Which can present you with a terrible personal dilemma: join or reject.

    There is usually a third option; avoid getting on its radar.

    Sometimes I think my fellow Americans have watched too many movies. Red Dawn, Rambo and all that good stuff. We’ve never had to live with that boot on our necks. But there are people that have and we can learn from them. Challenging Pharoah outright can result in industrial-scale elimination. Rather, one bears with patience, doing one’s best to avoid the system and trying not be threatening towards it. Then wait for it to collapse under the weight of its own oppressive and incoherent policies.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  141. @Anon

    If I knew what it might have consisted of, I would tell you. I am merely suggesting that the entire exercise might indeed be something concealing the evacuation of others who are considered at risk. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.

  142. Ajibi says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Wow you’ve said it all and better

    • Replies: @RobinG
  143. Talha says:

    Also (because it’s related):

    Followed by:

    Peace.

  144. Erebus says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Can you give some examples of cause and effect to illustrate and explain your last sentence?

    The answer lies in my penultimate sentence:
    “The Eurasians are working on it, but they’re a long way from taking the world’s financial structures out of American hands.”

    If one, and/or one’s sphere of interest is destabilized, how does one supplant, or gain control of existing international institutions? You need critical mass for that, and critical mass needs decades of stability to accumulate unless it comes as a re-boot at the tail end of a mass catastrophe. Bretton-Woods comes to mind.

    The latter may be what we’re headed for, and if we are one can hope for a new Bretton-Woods.

  145. Erebus says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    If a so-called rescue group drags a film crew behind them, you can be sure that their purpose is the film, not the rescue.

    How more so when the camera crew is dragging the “rescuers” behind them, or has set the scene and prepped the “victims” in anticipation of their arrival.

  146. peterAUS says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Are all those quotes from Stratfor and George Friedman in particular?

    From George Friedman, personally.

    I particularly liked the last quote about America’s large margin for error making it careless. Careless of non American and lower class lives certainly but careless about getting to understand the problems well enough to even know what policies and actions might work.

    Something like that.

  147. peterAUS says:
    @Anon

    Sensible last paragraph

    It is.

    Are all those quotes from George Friedman?

    They are.

    Where?

    From a book, mostly.

    https://www.amazon.com/Next-100-Years-Forecast-Century-ebook/dp/B001NLL946

    The same points he does repeats on several other places, including Youtube videos (if I remember correctly).

    Now…..I’d say that the best part of the book is explaining past and present. Predicting the future I’ve found rather wanting. But, he does admits that.

    So, should you wish to get the book that’s how I’d read it. Focus on explanations as to what is going on; the real reasons behind some, apparently, puzzling moves.
    And ,I do think that based on that one could predict, more or less, next 5 – 10 years at least. Or, at a bare minimum, that’s how Neocons think. And, more importantly, behave.

  148. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    …..Muslim demographic preeminence is an inevitability. This is not some underhanded or secret-sauce plan…this is basic arithmetic. I have four kids, my brother has four kids, practically all the Muslim friends I know have either three or four kids.….

    ….If you want us to assimilate, then no sale. ….

    I know.

    As for how all that will unravel, well….we’ll see.

    One side shall lose. The only question is which one.

    And, both you and me know that the problem is so easily solvable. Takes just a shift in attitude. Not even a big shift.
    We also know that I won’t say it here.
    Just…..in a proper environment it would take one month to fix the problem, with the current resources.
    Three months, tops.
    All it takes is that shift in attitude.Happened before.

    So….we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Talha
  149. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    And, both you and me know that the problem is so easily solvable. Takes just a shift in attitude. Not even a big shift.

    Sure. The West never developed anything like the millet system (though it must be said, the Austro-Hungarian Empire did try a pseudo-version – rather successfully – with their Bosniaks before WW1 destroyed that entire enterprise) so it seems to waiver between two bipolar opposites. There seems to be a lack of shades of nuance; it seems to be either being open to everyone and everything which leaves the society highly vulnerable to influences divergent from core values/worldview (I mean, you’re quoting from Friedman and Abrams, so you already understand this) or going ballistic on the wogs with “kill or ship them all out”.

    It’s a systemic issue really…Popper’s Paradox and all that. And it’ll likely result in a cycle as before…something tragic will take place and the West will feel really bad about it again for going berzerker-mode and killing or deporting a bunch of innocent women, children and old people and then try to make repentance by shifting back to the other polar opposite…only to eventually set up some other tragedy 100 years down the line…

    Happened before.

    Yes it did, and if it happens again won’t all those ex-Muslims be hella surprised, eh?

    Question though; the famous European expulsions of the Muslims usually went hand-in-hand with the expulsions of Jews. Are we to assume they’d also be shipped out on this go-around, or are they “in like Flynn”?

    You’ve talked about “core Western values” before, but one wonders; if one is willing to scrap those same “core Western values” when the going gets tough, did they really have any principles to stand on in the first place? Again, refer to Popper for the paradox.

    As you said, I guess we’ll see.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  150. @Mike From Jersey

    That makes no sense unless the White Helmets were somehow even more malign than the armed insurgents fighting the Syrian government.

  151. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    Hehe…I knew you were a smart guy.
    You and me are on the exactly same page, just totally opposite paragraphs, naturally.

    As I said….in “real” you’d be probably the only guy I could chat with, before opening up with our howitzers. And you counter battering, of course. Or…hehe…you triangulating me while chatting, and firing first.
    You know the game….

    …something tragic will take place….

    Most likely it will.

    …one wonders; if one is willing to scrap those same “core Western values” when the going gets tough, did they really have any principles to stand on in the first place?

    You are good with history. Rome? Refresh a bit: Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus.

    Besides, I wouldn’t put too much faith in “core Western values”. Call me cynic bu the current paragon of Western values was created on a genocide of Red Indians.
    Vae victis, mate.

    Who cared/cares about all those expulsions taken place in Eastern Europe after the fall of The Wall? Your “normal” soccer moms don’t even know about it.
    How about suffering, as you say, of those peoples in M.E. Iraqis in particular?
    Africa? Who even knows, “normal” people that is, what’s going in in Yemen, Sudan and all those exotic places?

    You give West too much credit, I am afraid. To those “normal” people, I mean.

    And, yes, agree with:

    As you said, I guess we’ll see.

    • Replies: @Talha
  152. RobinG says:
    @Ajibi

    So, you’re both flat-earthers? What did Incoherent Designation say, exactly? And how do you like your computer, cell phone, etc.?

  153. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    you triangulating me while chatting, and firing first.

    No, that’s not me. I love America too much to involve myself in a hot civil-war if it becomes a free-fire zone. I’d rather just leave.

    You give West too much credit

    I like to give the benefit of the doubt to most people. I have friendly relations with my neighbors and try to be optimistic about my fellow citizens. That doesn’t mean I am naive – if things move in the direction you say, then I will simply plan to try and leave.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  154. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    I think there has been a slight misunderstanding here.
    Location wise.

    I love America too much to involve myself in a hot civil-war if it becomes a free-fire zone.

    I wasn’t/isn’t/won’t be talking about America here. The worst that can happen to you there, should that scenario happen, would be “Japanese WW2 treatment”, with modern facilities, of course. Say, a white collar soft jail at worst. Actually, more like those gated communities in your place.Bigger, of course.

    Location is Europe, south of Austria, for a starter. Later on, who knows……..?

    As for

    I’d rather just leave.

    Well, doesn’t work that way most of the time. There are always exceptions.
    Which is related to below:

    I have friendly relations with my neighbors and try to be optimistic about my fellow citizens.

    I am sure that you know how stupid that sounds.

    And you got this right:

    That doesn’t mean I am naive – if things move in the direction you say, then I will simply plan to try and leave.

    The catch is….mixing that “optimistic about my fellow citizens” with hard cold reasoning?

    Again, you don’t need to worry about that. Your side, in Europe, could be in a different boat. Literally.

    • Replies: @Talha
  155. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    The worst that can happen to you there, should that scenario happen, would be “Japanese WW2 treatment”

    Good old Anglo-Saxon rule of law! love it!

    Not many Muslims over in Southeast Europe unless you are talking about the historic populations like Albanians and Bosnians, but they aren’t foreign imports.

    There are also plenty of Jews there, what happens to them? (second attempt)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  156. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    Now, that’s just disappointing. I thought we had a focus here.

    I got an impression that a combination of my “Islam is incompatible with Western values” and your

    …..Muslim demographic preeminence is an inevitability. This is not some underhanded or secret-sauce plan…this is basic arithmetic. I have four kids, my brother has four kids, practically all the Muslim friends I know have either three or four kids.….

    ….If you want us to assimilate, then no sale. ….

    answers the most important questions in our “discussion” here.
    Granted, except those on, say, practical level. Devil is in details.

    “Islam/Europe”. Focus.
    Can’t really get shorter/clearer here.

    Not bad you mentioned “Dem Joos”. That’s great for a lively chat here. You just mix it a bit with “9/11″, “Liberty” and “JFK” and we’ll get thousand posts in two days. Oh, wait…….all those are actually connected. Let’s put “Russian Communists” too.
    This is post 159, apparently. Looking forward to post my next comment below 500th.

    • Replies: @Talha
  157. Bill Jones says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski

    Yup that ‘s the goal.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  158. Talha says:
    @peterAUS

    We did have a focus, but I cannot speak for what happens in Europe because, frankly, I don’t live there nor is the situation the same as the US.

    But you are avoiding my question about the Jewish community. There are a bunch of very Orthodox Jews that live around my area – they are also not assimilating; they have their unique dress, their own businesses, kosher shops, etc.

    It’s a simple one – is the Jewish community compatible with core Western values? What about the following?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGG1xoW4AADdUi?format=jpg

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGHQ0lW0AEDWpf?format=jpg

    Are they exceptions? Why? Please don’t deflect with accusations of anti-Semitism – that’s not respectable. Why do you think Jews should be allowed to stay, but Muslims booted out? (Third attempt)

    Four to five sentences should be sufficient.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @peterAUS
    , @Vojkan
  159. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Why do you think Jews should be allowed to stay, but Muslims booted out? (Third attempt)

    Well, I know you didn’t ask me, and I don’t particularly want anybody booted out, but surely one thing that springs to mind is that there are a lot less Jews? You could dump all the Jews in the world in the US and they’d still be outvoted in national elections by Mexicans alone.

    • Replies: @Talha
  160. peterAUS says:
    @Talha

    We did have a focus, but I cannot speak for what happens in Europe because, frankly, I don’t live there nor is the situation the same as the US.

    O.K.

  161. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Solid point. They definitely don’t present a demographic threat (unless in Palestine). But everywhere else, can we agree that they punch waaay above their weight when it comes to political influence (good or bad)?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  162. Vojkan says:
    @Talha

    I cannot speak for what happens in the US but I can for what happens in France. Jews, or East Asians for that matter, don’t represent a threat to society. Whatever they do in private, they abide by the rules of social behaviour as accepted by the French in the public space. They don’t as a community attack other citizens, they don’t throw stones at ambulances, firemen, or molotov cocktails at the police. There are areas in which white Europeans are simply forbidden to strand.
    Even though I think Jews are undeservedly overrepresented in academics, in the media, in the entertainment industry, for I haven’t noticed that they’re so much more talented than the goyim, they don’t gang rape, they don’t shout insults at passers-by, they don’t aggress people in public transport.
    I can understand the anger and the frustration because of how the West treats the muslim world and how Western psychopaths use technological advantage to obliterate weddings and funerals in muslim countries. I do feel compassion for Palestinians and I do consider that the behaviour of Israelis is criminal.
    Nevertheless, I cannot understand gang raping children in the UK, mass killing of people atttending a rock concert in France, or eating at terraces, or taking a walk during Bastille Day, even though I am a royalist who loathes the French revolutionaries, who were the original terrorists. As for Jews, they don’t have for habit to torture and kill muslims in France, whereas muslims in France do torture and kill even Jewish grandmothers.
    People tend to see what happens at their doorstep before seeing what happens in some distant land, and what they see at their doorstep doesn’t plead in favour of muslims.
    The psychopaths who rule the Western world do murder industrial numbers of innocent muslims. That doesn’t make acceptable muslim violence against innocent Westerners. Just as whatever the nazis have done to Jews doesn’t make acceptable what Israelis are doing in the Middle-East.
    Both the West and the islamic countries are ruled by bad people. Violence against ordinary citizens certainly won’t solve that problem.
    Also, the Gospels, which are the base of Christianity, never teach discrimination against non-Christians, on the other hand the Talmud teaches discrimination against goyim, and yes the Qu’ran too teaches discrimination against “infidels”. No, the Gospels don’t teach conversion by the sword and yes, the Qu’ran teaches conversion by the sword. Jews prefer to remain among themselves. If they do, it’s fine with me. Islamic violent proselytism is not fine with me.
    To finish, the unavoidable “who started the whole Christianity vs Islam conflict” question also has a quite straight answer. The muslims started it by invading the Iberian peninsula. The Turks continued it by invading the Balkan peninsula. The Crusaders only ever wanted to secure Jerusalem for Christians. The French went to Algeria only to stop muslim piracy in the Mediterranean.
    So you see, the muslim version of History is not quite compatible with the European version of History either.
    I’m fine with the incompatibility and have no intention to ever move to a muslim country because I know the habits there don’t suit my way of life. So why are so many muslims from countries that aren’t under Western attack moving to non-muslim countries if the habits there don’t suit them?

  163. LondonBob says:

    Would really appreciate some analysis as to how much the proposed sanction bill on Russia by messrs Menendez, Graham et al is driven by the Israel lobby, or not? The names suggest to me it is.

  164. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan

    Crusaders only ever wanted to secure Jerusalem for Christians. The French went to Algeria only to stop Muslim piracy in the Mediterranean.

    No you cant do the former That is illegal and was illegal.

    Second is nothing but distortion and evasion and lying which can be found in today’s’ American hubris of c/o IED from Iran or Syria ending up in Iraq while invading Iraq for pure fun ( to assuage the hatred against Muslim ) and while supplying countries like Saudi with billions dollars arms to kill Yemenis and is akin to supplying Israel with diplomatic political and military supports from 1948.

    Piracy was the mother of the bread and butter of European economy in the century when US invaded Libya.

  165. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan

    Nevertheless, I cannot understand gang raping children in the UK, mass killing of people attending a rock concert in France, or eating at terraces, or taking a walk during Bastille Day,

    I also cant understand the drone killing of 14 yrs old son of Alwaki,
    I don’t understand the killing of the people who congregated to celebrate wedding by US missiles

    I really find it is difficult to understand the killing of the family members who came to pick up the body of the men killed by US drones.

    I don’t understand the freaking logic US had and have in invading Somalia, Libya, and Yemen .

    I don’t understand why the world who sided with one day’s 911 with America has kept quiet , despite of US causing for 5 yrs same 911 in Iraq on daily basis. .

  166. @Bill Jones

    Bill Jones confided, wrote to me: “Yup that ‘s the goal.”
    Hi Bill,
    …Am very pleased you made response to my comment. I do not know if I “know” anything more than that which I have previously wrote.
    …Below, will make two (2) points which are key to the sustenance of the American-Israeli Empire’s ongoing lies & air tight cover-ups.
    …#1: Israeli complicity in the 9/11 False Flag attacks & consequent (immoral) GWOT.
    …#2: Article (below) elucidates a point better than I.

    https://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2018/08/09/can-the-us-keep-lying-about-israels-nukes/

    Fyi, months ago, the knowledgeable commenter, SolontoCroesus wrote, & given a (documentable) slim percentage of meaningful patiotic-American political action, how he’s getting bored with offering piercing comments on U.R.
    …I said what I think & know, and I understand S2C’s disappearance in this unique realm of “speech” on which the Zionist censor eyes are cast upon. Thanks very much, Bill Jones!

  167. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:

    Also, the Gospels, which are the base of Christianity, never teach discrimination against non-Christians, on the other hand the Talmud teaches discrimination against goyim, and yes the Qu’ran too teaches discrimination against “infidels”. No, the Gospels don’t teach conversion by the sword and yes, the Qu’ran teaches conversion by the sword.

    It seems you dont know Bible and have not read it

    Second Christian talk of bible when it suits them and forget teh genocidal manic that Church unleashed on Non Christian in Europe New World and Philippine and Goa and Africa- all for God Glory and Gold .

    Neither it has changed much when Bush went to Iraq in the name of God ( some Agog and Magog – may be his Christian maggot smelt the corpse ) and Blair was sure he would go to heaven because God guided him and had kept his conscience clear

    So did the scoundrel Graham family of evangelical mad house and so did Boykin .

    • Replies: @Robjil
  168. peterAUS says:
    @Vojkan

    My bad. Was on the phone.
    Just feel that my previous comment needs a bit of clarification. Here it goes:

    Jews, or East Asians for that matter, don’t represent a threat to society. Whatever they do in private, they abide by the rules of social behaviour as accepted by the French in the public space. They don’t as a community attack other citizens, they don’t throw stones at ambulances, firemen, or molotov cocktails at the police. There are areas in which white Europeans are simply forbidden to strand.
    Even though I think Jews are undeservedly overrepresented in academics, in the media, in the entertainment industry, for I haven’t noticed that they’re so much more talented than the goyim, they don’t gang rape, they don’t shout insults at passers-by, they don’t aggress people in public transport.

    Pretty much.

    People tend to see what happens at their doorstep before seeing what happens in some distant land, and what they see at their doorstep doesn’t plead in favour of muslims.

    Yup.

    …the Qu’ran too teaches discrimination against “infidels”.

    Yup.

    To finish, the unavoidable “who started the whole Christianity vs Islam conflict” question also has a quite straight answer. The muslims started it by invading the Iberian peninsula. The Turks continued it by invading the Balkan peninsula.

    Agree.
    Can’t say, though, that I agree with the below:

    The Crusaders only ever wanted to secure Jerusalem for Christians. The French went to Algeria only to stop muslim piracy in the Mediterranean.

    Strong tend to expand, weak to contract. Eternal.

    And here is the important part:

    I’m fine with the incompatibility and have no intention to ever move to a muslim country because I know the habits there don’t suit my way of life. So why are so many muslims from countries that aren’t under Western attack moving to non-muslim countries if the habits there don’t suit them?

    I believe you know the answer. They are just working on changing those habits there. In time, with rising numbers…….

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Vojkan
  169. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Yes, certainly.

    Unfortunately this influence is of the kind that can still be exerted from abroad. Also the most influential Jews are not particularly religious.

    For a mirror view of your original question, I saw this comment on Pat Buchanan’s latest thread, which made me laugh:

    We’ll trade all your Uyghurs for all our Jews.

    My comment a long while ago about the English language apparently got eaten either by Cloudflare or by my browser but I just want to observe that the KJV Bible is not standard literary or spoken English for the period; it’s a specialized translation lingo devised by the original committee*. They did quite a good job, partly probably because they had other versions like the Douay-Rheims before them so they could tell what worked and (more importantly) what didn’t. But they didn’t sound like standard English of the 16th or 17th centuries. Here’s a good example of strong 17th century English which you can contrast with the embedded quotes from the “Authorised Version”: https://www.yorku.ca/comninel/courses/3025pdf/Killing_Noe_Murder.pdf

    *For example, the word “righteousness” was practically unused at the time except as an archaism (Middle English “rightwise”) and was chosen because no actual English word fitted the meaning they wanted.

    • Replies: @Talha
  170. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan

    “As for Jews, they don’t have for habit to torture and kill muslims in France, whereas muslims in France do torture and kill even Jewish grandmothers.”

    They kill Muslims in Lebanon Syria Palestine
    They ask their servants to kill the Muslims i other place s.

  171. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    why are so many muslims from countries that aren’t under Western attack moving to non-muslim countries if the habits there don’t suit them?”

    The Muslims move because those non-muslim bastards have gone to Muslims lands and have destroyed the Muslim places from 1900

    People come from Honduras because those non -Honduran has gone and screwed them for generations.

    Now tell me why did the English come to America?

    To give birth to some one like you? Was there no place in Poland or Hungary or Baltic?

  172. Nearly all of the mainstream media lies persistently these days but some sources are worse than others. People complain about Fox, and rightly so, but CNN is the absolute pits when it comes to slanting its coverage, as is MSNBC.

    Philip, Assad is responsible for the largest swath of death in Syria. Just like people will complain about Gaddafi getting sodomized by a bayonet, conservatives will flock to defend Assad. Well, here’s a newsflash: the dictators of the world do not need our sympathy. Assad’s troubles amount to little more than finding a new apple account when his gets banned due to sanctions. Really. His own people hate him. I’m all for opposition to Israel, but not if it’s backed by another no-good regime like Iran. Assad has caused people mental anguish especially in his farce to pretend he is a Muslim. Alawites underwent a period of change under Hafez al Assad because even he knew that this minority sect had nothing in common with the rest of the populace. Bashar is also responsible for the refugee crisis. He routed opponents of his regime to Europe. Ironic that the people complaining about refugees support Assad. You mean nothing to him.

  173. ANON[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Vojkan

    @170
    COMMENT IS FOR YOU

  174. Talha says:
    @Anon

    We’ll trade all your Uyghurs for all our Jews.

    LOOOL!

    the KJV Bible is not standard literary or spoken English for the period

    Possibly not, but – like Shakespeare’s works, Milton – it was one of the high points of the English language. That century was phenomenal for English.

    Interesting citation, thanks – beautiful language.

    Peace.

  175. Talha says:
    @Vojkan

    Hey Vojkan,

    I think we need to step back and look at the various points from as factual a viewpoint as we can.

    they don’t gang rape, they don’t shout insults at passers-by, they don’t aggress people in public transport.

    I personally don’t think non-Muslims should tolerate this kind of behavior. Perpetrators should be put into place and made an example of harshly. No tolerance policies need to be developed. And if certain Muslims are simply going to act like ethnic-gang predators, by all means, strip them of citizenship and ship them back to countries of origin.

    I can understand the anger and the frustration because of how the West treats the muslim world

    Irrelevant – Muslims residing in non-Muslim countries have an obligation to obey the laws of the land they live in and not harm the populace. That is the essence of the social contract engendered by either citizenship or right-or-residence. The crimes of Western countries against Muslim peoples do not justify criminal actions in return.

    That doesn’t make acceptable muslim violence against innocent Westerners.

    100% agree. Any Muslim that is in the West and saying otherwise should be treated the way we would treat a non-Muslim doing the same in Muslim lands.

    Both the West and the islamic countries are ruled by bad people. Violence against ordinary citizens certainly won’t solve that problem.

    100% agree.

    Also, the Gospels, which are the base of Christianity, never teach discrimination against non-Christians

    No – nor does it interdict the behavior. Which is why sumptuary laws and discriminatory regulations against pagans, Jews and others were quite common in medieval Christianity with full ecclesiastical backing. Here is an example from Thomas Aquinas:
    “Finally you ask whether it is good that Jews throughout your province are compelled to wear a sign distinguishing them from Christians. The reply to this is plain: that, according to a statute of the general Council, Jews of each sex in all Christian provinces, and all the time, should be distinguished from other people by some clothing.”

    https://thomistica.net/letter-to-margaret-of-flanders/

    And most people that have read what happened with Emperor Theodosius, know that paganism was basically persecuted by the power of the state into minority status (along with proselytizing – no doubt, a lot of that too). Again, this had full ecclesiastical backing.

    No, the Gospels don’t teach conversion by the sword and yes, the Qu’ran teaches conversion by the sword.

    Again, the Gospels are silent about the subject. Certainly Revelations has a lot of converting by the sword and people scrambling for their lives from the “Lamb of God”. Again, if you’ve read medieval Christian history, you know that they had zero problems with converting by the sword. There were plenty of Crusades within Europe against pagans and many kings claimed authority specifically by their ability and willingness to crush pagan opposition and make Christianity supreme. Christian historians recognize this:
    “This issue, more than any other we’ve published, raises the awkward matter of forced conversions—’Be Christian or die.’ There’s no sense in pretending this was an exceptional missionary tactic; for many centuries, it was the method of choice among Christian rulers and missionaries. The conversion of much of Europe and of Latin America is unimaginable without the sword.”

    https://christianhistoryinstitute.org/magazine/article/interview-converting-by-the-sword

    The Qur’an specifically prohibits conversion by the sword (not that certain Muslims didn’t do it). This is the whole reason we have the dhimmi system.

    So perhaps you can say that your interpretation or the currently popular interpretation of Christianity does not discriminate against non-believers or convert by the sword – but Christendom was quite fine with that for the lion’s share of its history under the custodianship of medieval Christian scholars who were giants (in knowledge and spirituality) compared to those of today.

    Islamic violent proselytism is not fine with me.

    Same here.

    The muslims started it by invading the Iberian peninsula.

    No – actually you have to go way back when the Ghassanids (a Christian Arab tribe, vassals of Byzantium) killed a message-bearer from the Prophet (pbuh). That is the oldest account of start of hostilities. Not that there needed to be a reason – back in those days, it was assumed if you had an empire, you were going to go to war with another – the only reason not to was lack of logistics. That’s the whole reason why empires existed; The Rahisun duked it out with Byzantium and the Sassanids and came out on top. The Iberian peninsula was way later.

    The French went to Algeria only to stop muslim piracy in the Mediterranean.

    Not really – why did they start settling there in massive numbers? Why were the Italians in Somalia? The Dutch in Indonesia? The British in Afghanistan?

    It’s OK – I don’t mind, there were no rules back then – they built navies to try to conquer the world. Which they practically did with a good combination of technology and well-disciplined soldiers. I mean, you should read about the blow-out against the Mamelukes that Napoleon’s army accomplished at the Battle of the Pyramids – phenomenal.

    So why are so many muslims from countries that aren’t under Western attack moving to non-muslim countries if the habits there don’t suit them?

    Actually many of them want to move West because they specifically want bling-bling and less religious restrictions. People like to move to greener pastures.

    Some of them move since they are both allowed to practice their religion freely (which you claim Christianity allows) as well as live a materially prosperous life. You might be able to make them go away by enforcing discriminatory regulations. Which is already starting with niqab bans and minaret bans, etc.

    If you don’t want them to move in, simply enforce border security or start up reverse-dhimmi regulations like extra taxation on military-age males, don’t allow Muslims into certain levels of gov’t, etc.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  176. Vojkan says:
    @Talha

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
    You will know them by their fruits.”
    We are not what we pretend or think to be, we are what we do. One can only become Christian of his own free will. Those who force conversion and those who accept to be converted by force can only pretend to be Christians.
    Regarding Algeria, the French did debark to end piracy and ransoming, and they did overstay, which is a sort of understatement given that they left only 130 years later. That’s still shorter than the occupation of Spain or the Balkans. However, unlike in Indochina, where they got their asses kicked by the Vietnamese, and unlike the Moors and the Ottomans who also had to be kicked out, you have to give credit to the French for leaving even though they won the counter-insurgency war. French generals were so irked by the order to pack up and leave that they attempted a coup against de Gaulle.

    As for the Qu’ran forbidding conversion by the sword, well, we have a different understanding of the following,

    https://quran.com/9

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Them Guys
    , @Talha
  177. Vojkan says:
    @peterAUS

    “Strong tend to expand, weak to contract”

    True. However, post-Napoleonic France wasn’t that strong, and the French did go to Algeria for the reason I wrote, the conflict started to escalate in 1827 with a naval blockade, with the conquest itself started in 1830 and achieved in 1847. The result was that they actually liberated Algeria from Ottoman rule.
    They did overstay their welcome though and did commit crimes against natives on a large scale when their occupation was no longer justified.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  178. Them Guys says:
    @Vojkan

    Vojkan: That part you wrote about how French over stayed and only left 130 yrs. later. Caused me to recall my now long deceased, Uncle Joe….He came to my home when Mom, his sister, invited uncle Joe for Thanksgiving Dinner, which is a once per year event we in usa observe. And Uncle Joe arrived on time for dinner, in November….Yet never left, until, after July 4th!!

    Ironic eh, how one can recall such an incident going back 50 years from reading a totally different statement as I did based upon your reply.

  179. Herald says:
    @RobinG

    You could well be right.

  180. Talha says:
    @Vojkan

    One can only become Christian of his own free will.

    I agree here, the same with Islam – it must be sincere belief from the heart. Which is why forcing someone to convert usually just leads to somebody pretending to be what you want while secretly disbelieving. However, it seems the pay off is usually in the person’s children who may end up adhering to the new order.

    Those who force conversion…can only pretend to be Christians.

    Dang, did you just play the takfeer card on a boatload of medieval Christian theologians and priests?

    Your statement is an opinion – obviously, the Christians of the past had a different opinion for centuries. Now, I will admit that the lion’s share of Christian theologians of our age will agree that forcible conversion is not correct.

    well, we have a different understanding of the following,

    That’s fine by me. You can even believe it requires us to eat your children. The issue here is that non-Muslim understandings of the Qur’an have absolutely no bearing on how Muslims practice their religion.

    And sure, I’ll give credit to the French and other European powers for rolling back their empires semi-voluntarily. One must also recognize that all this happened in the aftermath of the post-WW2, which ushered in an era of international relations being dealt with by means of legalities and arbitration. The UN had recognized the right of Algerian independence.

    To compare the situation to Ottoman or Umayyad conquests makes no sense – it is better to compare those to, say, the conquest of South America by Spain and Portugal or Australia by the English where the conquerors stuck around for a long time (these, along with a bunch of other pre-WW2 conquests were grandfathered in for obvious reasons).

    Peace.

  181. peterAUS says:
    @Vojkan

    …post-Napoleonic France wasn’t that strong, and the French did go to Algeria for the reason I wrote, the conflict started to escalate in 1827 with a naval blockade, with the conquest itself started in 1830 and achieved in 1847. The result was that they actually liberated Algeria from Ottoman rule.
    They did overstay their welcome though and did commit crimes against natives on a large scale when their occupation was no longer justified.

    Interesting..
    “We liberated Poland from Nazi tyranny and overstayed a bit.”
    “We liberated Iraq from Saddam’s tyranny and have been overstaying a bit”.
    “We liberated Afghanistan from Taliban tyranny and have been overstaying a bit”.
    I could make a full page with ease.
    Stronger entity (France) expanded on a region held by weaker entity (Ottoman Empire). Eternal.

    In this particular case stronger (values, spirituality) entity (Islam) is expanding into regions held by (values, spirituality) weaker entity (West).
    Now, not that Islam is so strong; it’s more than West, Europe in particular, is weak.

    Muslims know what they want and how to do it.
    West, Europe in particular, doesn’t know what it wants and has no idea how to do anything. People with strong beliefs vs people with no beliefs; worse, actually, vs people believing their set of beliefs is wrong. Suicidal.

    Time and numbers will, should the game stay the same, make Islam takeover of Europe inevitable.

    The thing is, the game can change in a month. Just…….one……..month.

  182. Robjil says:
    @anon

    Bush said he would invade Iraq at the time of our choosing. Well, well what time. Purim time. March 17 2003 was Purim eve. This was the time of his Z handlers. What time did Obama pick to invade Libya? Again Purim time. March 19 2011, Purim eve again. Papa Bush ended the first Iraq on Purim – Feb. 27 1991. He ended it by bombing and killing 150000 surrendering Iraqi troops. The US and the west have been under the control of 500 BC fanatics since 1913. Jews and Christians both have the Old testament so it is easy to fool Christians to go along with Z goals.
    Another Z gimmick going around for the past 17 years is – Destroy seven nations for the 911 false flag. Where does the idea of destroying seven nations come from? Old testament, oh course. Deut. 7.1-2.

    https://biblehub.com/context/deuteronomy/7-1.htm

    “      1“When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, 2and when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. “

    Amalek gimmick is another one loved by Zwest and Israel. The Amaleks are people who Yahweh told to totally destroy- men, women, children, infants, livestock and their infrastructure. This Amalek theme gave US/UK to ability to fire bomb guilt free civilians and infrastructure in Europe and the US do so in Japan during WW11. The US ended it with two nuclear bombs on civilians in Japan.

    https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm

    Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

    The US and Israel use this Amalek theme endlessly in the past few decades – Gladio operations- coups all over the world- support for terrorism/drug cartels all over the world. Mad Albright was thinking the Amalek way when she said 500000 Iraqi children dying of US sanctions was worth it. Palestinians are thought to be Amalek by many Israelis. Some Zs still think of Germany as Amalek.

  183. I believe Canada not the USA is one of the intended recipients of these ‘helmets’. It is time to question how they will benefit my society. Answers will not be forthcoming.

  184. Kevin1234 says:

    Giraldi says that the White Helmets will be settled in the US, UK and Germany. This is not accurate – the US has not agreed to accept any White Helmets (despite the fact they funded them ) no doubt because they know they are terrorist. The SUCKER nation of Canada has agreed to resettle 50% with the rest going to Germany and the UK – the later also a big funder of the White Helmets

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  185. @Kevin1234

    Kevin – You are correct. One source I read said some were coming to the U.S. but it was wrong. They are going to Canada, Germany and the UK.

  186. APilgrim says:

    Medieval Europe WISELY Expelled the Muhammadans.

    Modern European FOOLS brought the Muhammadans back.

  187. APilgrim says:

    Driving the Muhammadans Out

    Alfonso VIII appealed to other Christian leaders, and in 1212 he won the support of Pope Innocent III, who declared a Crusade against the Almohads. Supported by the armies of Aragon, Navarre, and Portugal, Castilian forces routed the Almohad emir of Morocco, Muḥammad al-Nāṣir, at Las Navas de Tolosa (July 16, 1212) and so removed the last serious Islamic threat to Christian hegemony in Spain.

    In Portugal, Afonso III captured Faro (1249), the last Moorish stronghold in the Algarve. By the end of the 13th century, the Reconquest was, for all practical purposes, brought to an end.

    The Catholic Monarchs, as Ferdinand and Isabella came to be known, completed the conquest of Granada in 1492.

    Holy Roman Emperor (HRE) Charles V, allied with Lutherans & AnaBaptists, to expel Muhammadans (Turks) from the HRE, circa 1530.

    Only a FOOL would ever let the Muhammadans return.

  188. APilgrim opined: “Only a FOOL would ever let the Muhammadans return.”
    Hi APilgrim,
    Re; your words above. Hm. Aren’t pilgrims obligated to make moral progress? (zigh)
    So what do you make of the article (linked below) written by Chicago-based, Catholic peace activist?

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/08/13/u-s-is-complicit-in-child-slaughter-in-yemen/

    … Writing as a ZUSA citizen, I for one KNOW that our vaunted leadership is complicit in the mass murder of “Muhammadan” Yemen people.
    Thank you.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  189. APilgrim says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    So what?

    Muhammadans have been slaughtering each other, for 1,300 years.

    Hopefully, we are selling bullets to both sides, at a tidy profit.

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