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It is remarkable how leading Jewish organizations manage to play both sides on so-called “humanitarian” and “human rights” issues. It is, of course, well established that Jewish voters lean heavily “liberal” or “progressive” and constitute perhaps the most solid of all Democratic Party constituencies, so it is almost instinctive on their part that they would want to seize what they perceive to be the moral high ground. More to the point, in terms of their relationship with the Democrats and their various grievance factions, they are also generally cited as the source of the majority of the party’s campaign funding. This has resulted in the Democratic Party establishment’s particularly sensitivity to the needs of that key constituency, invariably carefully avoiding any criticism of Israel while also tending to appoint Israel-first bureaucrats and politicians to senior positions in the government. The Jews in return support the “progressive” politics of the Democrats, both to satisfy their own tribal inclinations, and to assuage any guilt relating to the party’s history of warmongering.

Jewish groups have expressed their pleasure with the appointments so far made by Biden, most particularly Ron Klain as Chief of Staff and Jake Sullivan as National Security Adviser. But the Jewel in the Crown is Tony Blinken as Secretary of State. The Democratic Majority for Israel (DMFI), which is the Israel support group within the party, has sent out an announcement saying it’s thrilled by the number and quality of “pro-Israel allies” who will be in the upcoming government. Other pro-Israel groups to include the Washington Institute for Near East Peace (WINEP) and the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD) have been similarly enthusiastic.

Jewish members of Congress are grossly disproportionate to their numbers in the general population (27 in the House and 9 in the Senate). Israeli Lobby power influencing Congress and the White House is clearly visible. Up until the last election Eliot Engel chaired the House Foreign Affairs Committee and Adam Schiff headed the House Intelligence Committee, two key posts firmly in the hands of politicians who had regularly put Israel’s interests first. Schiff’s son has been featured wearing a Mossad T-shirt, without any negative comment apart from folks like myself. One wonders what “liberal” Democrats would have thought if the lad had been wearing a shirt featuring CIA?

Engel is mirabile dictu out of office, but he has been replaced by black New York congressman Gregory Meeks, who obedient to orders did what Jeff Blankfort describes as a “full Uncle Tom,” immediately pronouncing that Israelis have a “right to defend themselves” and Palestinians need to return to the negotiating table and stop “fighting.” Three days earlier, Israeli soldiers had shot dead a fourteen-year-old Palestinian boy, something that Meeks apparently regards as “self-defense,” but, more to the point, consider for a moment the supreme ignorance of Mr. Meeks and the power he will wield over the nation’s foreign policy.

Nancy Pelosi is herself committed to the cause of Israel, having said that “If this capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain is our commitment to our aid–and I don’t even call it aid–our cooperation with Israel. That’s fundamental to who we are,” while president-elect Joe Biden has proudly declared himself to be a Zionist and House Majority Whip Steny Hoyer has proudly declared himself to have “dual loyalty.” Add to that the appointment of Tony Blinken as Secretary of State presumptive for confirmation that the Biden White House will be the usual hotbed of pandering to Israel along the lines of the precedent set by Donald Trump.

Recently, groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have pledged their support for organizations like black lives matter, partly due to their own membership base’s liberal inclinations and also to establish their fictional bona fides as honorable gentlemen and ladies seeking to take steps that are good for American democracy as they see it. They have stated that “We mourn for George Floyd, who was horrifically murdered by a police officer in Minneapolis. There are many marching in the streets across the country and around the world chanting, ‘I can’t breathe’ in tribute to his memory and to demand justice. We mourn for Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade and Rayshard Brooks among countless others whose lives were cut short as a result of systemic racism in policing. As an organization committed to fighting all forms of hate, ADL knows that these brutal deaths follow an explosion of racist murders and hate crimes across the U.S. Systemic racism, injustice, and inequality call for systemic change… Join us in combatting the bigotry, racism and discrimination that targets marginalized communities today.”

As a side benefit to all that hail-fellow-well-met conviviality, there is, of course, also a tactical consideration, which is that if Jewish groups can demonstrate such marvelous fellowship with poor downtrodden black folk in the United States, perhaps no one will notice how they look the other way while their co-religionists in Israel practice genocide on the Palestinian Arabs. The ADL statement is pure, unadulterated bullshit, ironical because Jews are by far the wealthiest and best educated demographic in the United States, powerful at all levels and hardly victims of anything. And they work hard to hide the fact that the Israel Lobby exists to serve the Jewish state’s interests, including making sure that the American public is led to believe that nothing is happening when Arab children are shot dead, when the livelihoods of Palestinians are destroyed, and when Israel operates with impunity to assassinate foreign officials and kill innocent civilians en masse in places like Iran, Gaza, Syria and Lebanon.

The hysteria on the part of some Jewish groups to identify with the grievances of black Americans is quite amazing to behold. It now includes memorials to the martyred George Floyd of Minneapolis, whose death triggered last spring and summer’s rioting, in so-called holocaust remembrance sites. The first such George Floyd exhibit has opened within the Holocaust Memorial Resource & Education Center in Orlando, Florida. The intention of the exhibitors is not completely clear, but the identification of Jewish suffering with the black counterpart is intended to suck in the inevitable critics who can conveniently be described as racists, putting both Israel/Jews and American blacks on the side of the angels even though the two have functionally nothing at all to do with each other. So, anyone who might want to argue that the Floyd-holocaust joint commemoration is both ridiculous and a political contrivance might just as well button his or her lip and in so doing avoid the sanctimonious backlash that would be generated from the Jewish managed media no matter how one spins it.

In a recent article in the Jewish publication Forward, Dr. Mia Brett examines Critical Race Theory (CRT), the educational and cultural fraud that is being used to delegitimize Western civilization and comes to the conclusion that “Rather than a tool to oppress Jews, CRT is a critical tool in fighting white supremacy — the gravest threat we face.” “We,” means of course, Jews and blacks together as perpetual victims of a malicious Caucasian kleptocracy. There is no mention of Israel in the article, nor of the Palestinian genocide, but it inter alia reveals what Dr. Brett and others like her think about the rest of us.

Indeed, the claim that some Jewish groups and leaders do not regard themselves beholden to American interests at all has a certain cogency, as does the argument that they do not consider their fellow U.S. citizens to be quite their equal given their Chosen status. Religious leader and Grand Rabbi of the Satmar Hassidim community of Williamsburg, New York, Rabbi Zalman Teitelbaum, recently declared that his numerous followers should not consider themselves as American but rather as Jews in exile.

Teitelbaum’s views are not unique. There exists an International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians, which is based in Israel. It exists to support Israel and to “To promote an ongoing dialogue and a sense of fraternity among Jewish legislators and ministers.” One might well ask why a parliamentarian representing the people in a country should identify with and, let’s face it, conspire with foreign representatives of other nations based on religion? And support the interests of a foreign country, Israel, also due to religious affinity? One might suggest that that is what charges of “dual loyalty” are all about, though it might indeed be better described as “singular” or primary loyalty.

There should be little doubt that American Jews have by hook and by crook come to occupy the driver’s seat in many key sectors of both the economy and in political life. The trick of lining up with those oppressed both to demonstrate one’s ethical superiority and to avoid having one’s interests scrutinized through assertion of having suffered a similar victimhood has been played again and again. George Floyd in a holocaust memorial? Sure, why not. The reality of Floyd does not exactly fit in with the hagiography that has grown up around him since his death just as Israel and American Jews constantly claiming victimhood so that their own behavior and that of Israel cannot be subject to accountability is also a hypocritical political ploy that does not reflect reality.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is https://councilforthenationalinterest.org address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. Jews aren’t liberal. They’re opportunistic.

    Their moral acid test is not: Is it right? (As heirs to the Graeco-Roman tradition have been historically taught to ask.) It’s: Is it good for the Jews?

    When you bear that in mind, all their actions make sense.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @ivan
    , @Wally
    , @obvious
  2. Plato says:

    What is to be done about the Jewsish problem? The question true Americans must ask.

  3. WJ says:

    Generally speaking, the run of the mill black person detests jewish people. It’s kind of funny and I often wonder if jewish people notice this , or just don’t care.

    • Replies: @trickster
    , @Wally
  4. geokat62 says:

    Superb article, Phil.

    As a side benefit to all that hail-fellow-well-met conviviality, there is, of course, also a tactical consideration, which is that if Jewish groups can demonstrate such marvelous fellowship with poor downtrodden black folk in the United States, perhaps no one will notice how they look the other way while their co-religionists in Israel practice genocide on the Palestinian Arabs.

    I may be growing increasingly cynical in my old age, but another driver for Jewish Supremacist Organisations tripping over themselves to bestow sainthood on a random thug may have been the desire to deflect the increased violence (in the form of shootings and beatings) stemming from the Black Israelites in Brooklyn and Jersey City against the Jewish people.

    I have no proof of this of course, but I suspect a red alert was issued soon after these alarming phenomena were recorded and a diversionary tactic was quickly developed to ensure this worrisome development was nipped in the bud. And judging by subsequent events, the level of violence committed against these communities seems to have, indeed, diminished.

    • Agree: Redman
  5. By design Jews make everything a Jewish dialectic, so that the conversation or argument is controlled on both sides.

    When the same demon is playing both sides in game of chess it will never lose.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  6. Sirius says:

    That there are still honest voices like Philip Giraldi’s is a cause for hope and he must be supported. More people will be inspired by his courage.

    In the meantime, the bought voices need to be discouraged by the means whereby they benefit financially by the buying. The less money is allowed to corrupt these people in the system the cleaner the system will be.

    Their claims supporting Zionism’s crimes should be revealed as the unprincipled, indeed morally repugnant, stands that they are. Indeed, they are accessories to the crimes and should be made to realize that.

    • Agree: Moi, Kolya Krassotkin
  7. Druid says:

    J’s and N’s. Two of a kind!

  8. Shibusa says:

    There is still no evidence that there was a racial element to the death of Saint Floyd.

    • Replies: @JR177
    , @The Real World
  9. Is Murdoch Jewish—Turner —-Thomson?

  10. @GomezAdddams

    Jewish dominated, by coercion or delusion, they are part of the Jewish domination.

    Some of the most destructive elements of the Jewish onslaught are “Shabbos Goys.”

  11. Anonymice says:

    I agree with your assessment of Jews being opportunistic. Uniquely parasitic would also aptly characterize them, extruding maximum benefits from their hosts with the parasite feigning to do the exact opposite: i.e. benefiting the host and convincing the host that in fact that is indeed the case. It is a case of beneficiary colonialism – blackagendareport.com/hierarchies-modern-western-colonialism where the welfare beneficiary colonizes and directs the benefactor.

  12. Jewish activists (not Jews as such) are both hypocritical & psychos.

    US pandering politicians are just immoral & corrupt. Nothing deeper than that.

    • Replies: @G J T
  13. The hysteria on the part of some Jewish groups to identify with the grievances of black Americans is quite amazing to behold. It now includes memorials to the martyred Floyd George of Minneapolis, whose death triggered last spring and summer’s rioting, in so-called holocaust remembrance sites.

    A very large portion of White people (possibly even a majority) see through the BLM charade, I wonder if this connection with the Holocaust will trip some wires in their brain and make them think about whether or not the Holocaust is also the end-product of the same media-driven hysterics as the controversy surrounding Floyd’s death?

    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  14. As an expat watching the Jew.S.A. from afar, one can only wonder what those cucks who voted for Harris/Biden are now thinking.

    War for the izzies!

    The kosher sandwich works every time

  15. Media masks that even more of Joe Biden’s appointments are Jewish than generally known … for example a ‘Hispanic’ who is actually entirely Jewish … presenting Joe Biden’s pick for the Homeland Security job once held by rabbi’s son Michael Chertoff, Alejandro Mayorkas:

  16. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    Unz Review, you made my day. Giraldi cuts to the chase with an incisive, cogent and articulate article on what many consider (((the greatest threat to America))). I tip my hat to this guy for saying everything that needs to be said out loud and in the open.

    We cannot survive as a nation unless we cultivate an attitude backed up by an active policy of zero tolerance for Jewish/Israeli/Communist/Zionist tyranny.

    • Agree: Moi, ariadna
  17. A simple mending of fences is no longer possible, and everyone knows it. Secession is a plausible solution on the tongues and in the hearts of many who didn’t know what the word meant a year ago.

    The JQ is answered with a strong traditional foundation which eschews usury and operates as a meritocracy featuring reality-based imperfect equality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Observator
  18. The majority of the US Congress are beholden to the Jewish lobby, and most Americans don’t seem to care. Meeks says, like most congress people that Israel has the right to defend itself. Why would anyone who really knows what is going on in Palestine make these stupid statements. I cringe when I hear comments by Biden, Cruz, Meeks, and the rest about how they love Israel, such hypocrites. It really is indeed, all about the Benjamin’s.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  19. JR177 says:
    @Shibusa

    There is still no evidence that there was a racial element to the death of Saint Floyd.

    There is still no data that demonstrates police bias against Blacks on any scale. The only relevant data is the high Black crime rate, and the high Black resisting arrest rate.

    • Replies: @Moi
  20. Very insightful article by Philip Giraldi. A similar expression I came across describing this same phenomenon was P.E.P.: ‘Progressive Except for Palestine’.

    I heard it used in the liberal dystopia of San Francisco. This was 25 years ago. Some (non-Jewish) leftists quietly bristled at the double-standards enjoyed by Israel. Many still do.

    The sad fact is that–in Zio-America–Jewish-constructed taboos have long-dictated the boundaries of political discourse and political action. They did back then. They do today.

    The heavy kosher thumb that lies on the scales of US justice explains why modern America’s political culture is so convoluted. America has been hijacked. And our occupiers have carved out a separate morality for themselves and their people. Sadly, America’s elected leaders have learned to accommodate and enable these double standards.

    But since Jews invented modern liberalism (largely to safeguard the lives of Jewish peoples in the Diaspora) it’s also no wonder that they would, in Israel, exempt themselves from various liberal excesses.

    Zionist Jews, for instance, see the obvious advantage in maintaining their ethnocentric traditions as well as distinct customs, culture, and gene pool–despite its negative impact on non-Jews. Jews are exercising their racial prerogatives. This is ‘good for Jews’. Whites in America once enjoyed similar privileges. No longer.

    For Israelis, unchecked immigration as well as ‘racial integration’ would be a nation-wrecking poison pill. Zionists understand this. This is why they live in Israel and this is why Jews control their borders. Jews wish to safeguard their future as well as the future of their descendants. This is why the Kool Aid of race-mixing is earmarked for the credulous goyim only. Jews are smarter than that. They understand the importance of cultural and genetic continuity.

    Do you recall the glorious ‘anti-Apartheid struggle’? It was one of the great, 20th century crusades lead by militant, international liberals (if you know what I mean).

    As a businessman who was conducting business with the City of SF in the 90’s, I was required to sign multi-page documents vowing (under penalty of law) that I had no dealings–or even investments–with any company or entity that had dealings with ‘White-ruled’ So. Africa. This strict edict came from a California municipality, no less. But SF was not alone. Other liberal entities in the US (Berkeley, for instance) also had their own foreign policies. It was all done in the name of human equality and anti-racism. (Or so the story goes.) But there was more there than meets the eye.

    At the forefront of the international ‘Anti-Apartheid’ movement were liberal Jews. These included Helen Suzman, Rabbis Norman Mendal and Louis Rabinowitz, and even Jewish communists such as Joe Slovo and Sam Kahn. There were also countless others, including a galaxy of prominent, wealthy, Jewish Americans. Incredibly, even former Jewish Prime Ministers Ben-Gurion and Golda Meir evoked ‘Jewish values’ in condemning ‘Apartheid’. The irony is striking, as is the sheer chutzpah.

    The primary lesson of Apartheid So. Africa (we are instructed) was that there was and is no meaningful difference between Whites and Blacks and that racial separation is destructive and wrong.

    It turned out however that this glorious, egalitarian dictum did not apply to all human groups.

    Ironically, as White supremacism is being put in its grave, Jewish supremacism is ascendant.

    Notice these deceptive oddities out loud, and you run the risk ruin. This is the state we’re in.

    ‘Except for Palestine’ has become a permanent, ‘unshakable’ value of US governance–no matter which Party is in power. Zionism is now an embedded value in American life. Who stuck it there?

    Israel’s centrality in American life is further evidence of the great Jewish exception.

    The inorganic alliance (arranged marriage) between our two countries bestows numerous privileges and benefits to just one party.

    We pay. They play.

    Segregated Israel–with the overwhelming assistance of its Diaspora community–easily exploits America’s military, diplomatic, and economic power. The end game involves the fulfillment of Israel’s Jewish/biblical destiny. But it’s largely a one-way street. This is given. It is also non-negotiable.

    Thus politicians of all persuasions compete feverishly to curry favor with Organized Jewry. No promise or accommodation from Washington is ever too much. Washington’s entrenched ‘willingness to make exceptions’ for Israel is the genesis of America’s great distortion. These pressures steered Trump. They will similarly guide Biden.

    As it now stands, only the out-of-bounds left and ‘far right’ dare criticize the world’s Most Important Victims. Ironically, the principled moral outrage of those on the ‘far right’ (and left) keeps both factions at the political margins.

    Thus, we goys exist in a culture where the rules (and penalties for violating them) differ radically–and sometimes don’t even apply–depending upon the status of the perp, the victim, and political memory. We exist in a Abrahamic, post-Holocaust universe; behind the Zionist curtain.

    The curtain is there for one reason: to advance Jewish/Israeli policies while shielding these controversial plans from outside criticism.

  21. Anon[211] • Disclaimer says:

    I hope we dont get a new George Floyd every presidential election year now.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  22. Hypocrisy.

    Chutzpah.

    Sophistry.

    Why Christ hated them so much, and said so to their faces.

    Got Him killed for His troubles.

    Time Christians [those that imitate Christ] do the same.

    • Replies: @Moi
  23. Eating their cake and keeping it too is their stock in trade…

  24. jimmy1969 says:

    An excellent article; of course it only confirms facts that most Americans have long known. One area that I would like Giraldi to expand on one day: is the plethora of dual American/Israeli Citizens who hold high Political and sensitive bureaucratic offices in the US. Take for instance the astonishing case of Rahm Emanuel the former Mayor of Chicago and once Chief of Staff to the President of the United States….while he held those positions he was still simultaneously a Captain in the Israeli Military…if you can believe that. Can you just imagine for one second if someone from Iraq or Afghanistan tried to do that. Can you imagine if Ivanka Trump had married a Muslim and converted like she did and not the son of an Orthodox Jew ( and the father was even imprisoned for tax and political fraud) Would Donald Trump have been elected President if his daughter had married a Muslim and his paroled father was inviting heads of Muslim countries to his house in the States like old man Kushner did with Bibi….and multiple other high Israeli officials.

  25. Anonymous[495] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    A simple mending of fences is no longer possible, and everyone knows it. Secession is a plausible solution on the tongues and in the hearts of many who didn’t know what the word meant a year ago.

    Problem is that within the group that secedes there will still be a good percentage of pro-Israel Christian Zionists. Even more so than the leftist side, ironically.

    Go to sites like Free Republic. They have seen their country, their culture, their way of life systematically dismantled in front of their eyes and they talk about seceding. But they— mostly gentile military veterans— only really get fired up when talking about bombing Iranian tankers delivering oil to Venezuela or killing Iranian nuclear scientists.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
    , @lysias
  26. “If this capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain is our commitment to our aid–and I don’t even call it aid–our cooperation with Israel. That’s fundamental to who we are,”

    “Who we are” = straight up whores

    Democrats get 50% of their donations from (((you-know-who))) and the GOP gets 25%.

  27. Moi says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    If our Congress had a shred of honesty, it would move en mass and join the Knesset. End the hypocrisy, dual loyalty and Israel-first BS.

    But ultimately the fault lies with regular Americans for their stupidity and ignorance.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @lysias
    , @Orville H. Larson
  28. mcohen says:

    Liberal except for palestine.lol.how about conservative except for georgia.

    My freedom of speech eaten like a peach.They finally got to my beloved zerohedge.

    • Agree: Craig Nelsen
  29. Moi says:
    @JR177

    Agree. Moreover, a person won’t die from inability to breath from the weight of knee on the BACK of his neck. Even so, doubt if Chauvin can or will get fair trial.

  30. A lawyer from Corpus Christi claims that Floyd died three years ago: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/gvq1rz/timothy_d_japhet_attorney_at_law_i_was_george/

    Have racist cops stooped to the level of killing dead black men?

  31. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean Breathnach

    I cringe when I hear comments by Biden, Cruz, Meeks, and the rest about how they love Israel, such hypocrites. It really is indeed, all about the Benjamin’s.

    Saying, as Ilhan Omar did, that support of Israel or the Israeli lobby is all about the Benjamin’s is like saying the Iraq war was for oil. It’s not about that money but their career. These politicians all learn quickly that if you don’t show obscene deference to Israel and Jews you will be out of office and your career destroyed. Ask Cynthia McKinney.

  32. gotmituns says:

    At some point, the jewish flimflam house of cards they’ve built will all just collapse under their own weight.

  33. G J T says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “Jewish activists” is almost redundant in this context. Part of being a Jew, be it observant or atheist, is tribal activism and the revolutionary spirit that dictates their entire worldview. Not one single Jew on this planet who has not definitively and sincerely denounced their tribe and abandoned the label of Jew altogether can say otherwise. And even those are very few and far between.

    Continuing to make a baseless distinction between “good Jews” and “bad Jews” is precisely what allows them to continue to subjugate and wage war on the rest of humanity, and most especially white Christians.

    All activism for Jews is Jewish activism, and with zero exceptions it comes at the expense of others. This is built into the Jewish identity, which has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for thousands of years. If they didn’t exercise near-total control of all our sources of information and institutions of authority, the whole damn would know it and freely say so.

  34. Firefinga says:

    The sarcastic bit being Israel is immensly racist in itself, especially against blacks. They had their own “black lives matter” last year, and they have virtually no africans among their population, except for the Ethiopian black “Jews” (and their offspring) they let into Israel in 1984 + 1991.

    • Replies: @trickster
  35. Z-man says:

    As far as Jews go, as I’ve said a million times, liberal, conservative, religious or not, they all stick behind the modern Zionist state. The righteous Jew, like a Norman Finkelstein, are few and far between.
    Also like it has been said, it’s the cowardice, greed, stupidity, ignorance or disinterest of the ‘former’ Christian world to have allowed it to happen.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  36. ivan says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Its just sad really that the technique policeman Chauvin used to control Floyd; that of kneeling on the neck was pioneered by the Israelis against the Arabs, and taught to the Americans. That image of course recalls all barbarity of slavery and discrimination. Yet oddly the Israelis are nowhere to be seen after having taught the American police forces “crowd control”.

  37. The success and impunity of jewish supremacism world-wide will likely only breed greater and greater contempt for the goyim, bringing with it an ever-increasing likelihood that in the relatively near future, with robotics and AI, there will be no real ‘need’ for the untermensch goy in numbers anywhere near approaching their current levels. What they (in concert with compliant, like-thinking others, of course) plan to do with all this ‘excess gentile humanity’ is anyone’s guess, but I for one hold little hope that it will be anything sanguine. I wish and pray otherwise, but fear the worst.

    As ‘plausible deniability’ is a watchword for jewish supremacist acts of sabotage and treachery (such as 9/11, the USS Liberty, etc.), my concern is that the likely increasing use by the power elites (many of whom are jewish supremacists) of in-your-face thinly veiled bioweaponry upon the world’s populace, such tools may ultimately be used to eliminate these ‘useless eater’ goyim (and common jews they likewise have no use for) who have served their purpose, with ‘lucky’ survivors suffering the infusion of nanobot neural networks via mandated vaccine schedules for all these various designer bugs our ‘elites’ have been making (and patenting, no less!), that will allow for the remaining populace to be literal ‘puppets on a string’, controlled via advanced microwave technologies that are openly installed putatively ‘for the benefit of mankind’. Why do we need to ‘blanket the Earth’ with 5G satellite networks? Or 6G? We don’t. But those who wish to control us do.

    Vaccines we don’t want or need for cold bugs that kill no more than an ordinary flu? 5G networks beaming microwaves into our homes 24/7 from rapidly installed sources on every street, and then, from the skies above (with God knows what impact on insect and animal life beyond our own)? A media controlled by forces that lie to us non-stop about nearly every aspect of our lives, with apparently only nefarious purposes behind such prevarications? A financial and industrial system that loots and pollutes and then tells us we must bear the costs of bail-outs and “Great Resets” and “Green Revolutions” that seem, once again to benefit only a small elite? An elite that openly espouse massive population reduction and lifestyle reduction/destruction as the only way out of this mess they created (except for them, of course)? An elite that is, in large part, jewish supremacist?

    Welcome to reality in the 21st century. Another “Jewish century”, continuing the world-wide domination of Tribal interests and control that defined the 20th century, as openly proclaimed by the Jerusalem Post (https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Terra-Incognita-The-20th-century-was-the-Jewish-century-470293). The century of the impending”Tikkun Olam”. A century which promises to be like no other.

    Again I say, I’m glad I’m old. I would hate to be young with this nightmare awaiting me…..

  38. G J T says:
    @Moi

    The word “Jew” didn’t even exist while Christ walked the Earth. It is relatively new term that the synagogue of Satan has adopted for the purposes of fooling and subjugating the goyim. “Jews” are Edomites and Judaism as we know it today was hatched well after Christianity was a thing.

    So no, Jesus was not a Jew in any sense of the word.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @Jila
  39. trickster says:
    @WJ

    Quite correct ! The run of the mill black detests Jews but do you know Jews love blacks ? I know you will say “Come on Trickster !”. However it is true.

    How can this be ? They love them because wherever blacks go they destroy. Once they reduce an area to ruin, Jews and other perceptive folks buy up the place, rebuild, kick the rest of the darkies out and hey presto rake in the dollars.

    Three storey Brownstones that were once abandonned and worth $5000 now rent for $3000 + per month per floor. What is there not to love ?

  40. @RedpilledAF

    Would you care to elaborate on that both from experience and ny reasoning. I say that out of genuine curiosity but also because I remember reading an extract from Mein Kampf which complained of very much the same

    • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
  41. Off topic; how did veteranstoday go so bad?

  42. trickster says:
    @Firefinga

    The way things are going in the US and the fact that I am so fed up with the black thing here means just for spite I might convert and move to Israel.

    Jew or no no Jew it must be an awesome thing to live in a country without these chimps !

    If I live to be 1000 years old and if evolution is for real, I am fucking liable to grow eyes at the back of my head and two extra arms to evolve and adapt with Negroes around.

    God’s chosen people are sublimely clever. While they incite the monkeys here, they know well enough to exclude them there. While we debate the merits of a southern wall, they have used our money to build theirs. While we wax about human rights and treating all the Rio Grande swimmers and border jumpers in a righteous manner, anyone infiltrating the Israeli border gets Kneecapped.

    Are they smart OR OR OR are we dumb?

    Shalom ??

  43. @mark green

    Amen. We already have an unconstitutional multi-state blanket of sanctions against anyone so sympathetic to the luckless Palestinians that he would dare to boycott the oppressor’s products. Next we’ll get European-style “hate crime” legislation that will effectively put an end to freedom of speech as we knew it. It will become very hard for increasingly marginalized gentiles to get out of that trap unless the can fabricate the existence of a Chosen mother.

    Nevertheless, Merry Christmas to Phillip Giraldi for continuing to stand tall against this tyrannical overthrow of our culture and values.

  44. geokat62 says:
    @mark green

    We exist in a Abrahamic, post-Holocaust universe; behind the Zionist curtain.

    You’ve captured in 11 words the sad state we find ourselves in… well done, Mark.

  45. @G J T

    “Jewish activists” is almost redundant in this context. Part of being a Jew, be it observant or atheist, is tribal activism and the revolutionary spirit that dictates their entire worldview. Not one single Jew on this planet who has not definitively and sincerely denounced their tribe and abandoned the label of Jew altogether can say otherwise.

    Alright, have you heard of:

    Chaim Soutine
    Camille Pissaro
    Arthur Rubinstein
    Isaac Levitan
    Felix Hausdorff
    Joseph Roth
    Cesar Milstein
    Maja Plisetskaja
    Pavel Urysohn
    Mark Kac
    Stanislaw Ulam
    Edmund Husserl
    Ernst Cassirer
    Adolf Krebs
    …..

    Yes, I thought so ….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  46. Trinity says:

    The Jews have hijacked our language. “Liberal” DOES NOT MEAN HATING WHITE PEOPLE, but somehow this is what it has come to mean in Jew Speak America. “Anti-Racism” MEANS TO HATE ONLY WHITE PEOPLE in Jew Speak America. “Progressive” MEANS TO DESTROY WESTERN CIVILIZATION in Jew Speak America. Progress is destroying a World Super Power?? Yep, welcome to Jew World. “Progressive” is taking a global city that was Detroit, Michigan, the leading manufacture of automobiles in the world at the time, Motown helped put America on the map every bit as much as Washington, D.C or NYC. In 1950 Detroit peaked at nearly 1,850, 000 million inhabitants in their city limits alone, only NYC, LA, Chicago and Philly were larger at the time. In 2018, Detroit had a population of 672,622. That is what is called “progress” in Jew Speak, ladies and gentlemen.

    In Jew World the plan is in fact to genocide Whites and destroy White nations through racism against Whites, fascism in the form of muzzling free speech and quite possibly taking away the right for Whites to defend themselves by abolishing their First and Second Amendments, and of course make it illegal to criticize Jews/Israel or organize boycotts against the apartheid state of Israel. In the world of the Jew, who was front and center at DEMANDING BOYCOTTS AND TURNING SOUTH AFRICA INTO WHAT IT IS TODAY, Israel doesn’t have to answer for their racial prejudice and war crimes. Apartheid South Africa looked like Disney World compared to Israel, but when it comes to the Jew, well, the Jew is special because, gosh darn it, the Jew has suffered so much don’t you see.

    In Jew World, organizations that PROMOTE HATE AND RACIAL DIVISION are identified as organizations that fight hate or “defamation.” These organizations are anti-White to the core and some like the ADL, $PLC, and JDL are run and led by Jewish Supremacist who would make Bull Connor look like a 1960s San Francisco hippie when it came to racial prejudices. NAACP and or La Raza, oh nothing wrong with the “colored” folk hating Whitey as well, after all the “colored folk” have suffered so much don’t you see. Giving them good, well paying jobs that they are not qualified to perform and expecting them to show up and sit in the break room all day whilst waiting for their check to be deposited, now that is racist, why can’t we just pay reparations and let those people alone to enjoy life. I mean we all know that Omar and AOC ( last job was a bartender) are highly qualified and earned their positions by moving up the ladder, Omar is a seasoned 38 and the powerful AOC is all of 31 years old. Look at all that worldly experience from our leadership. And both are sharp as tacks. The Jews and the “colored folk” have and are suffering so much from all this “White Privilege” and “White Supremacism” in America. Poor colored folk being attacked on the streets by roving gangs of skinheads at Trump rallies, Black girls being gang raped by a pickup full of Confederate flag waving rednecks just like in those Hollywood movies, meek and humble Jews having to go through the horror of seeing a swastika scrawled with a crayon or spray painted by some anti-Semite on the sidewalk, ( a lot of times that anti-Semite is a self hating Jew, so imagine the horror.) How can we as Whites end all this racism and anti-Semitism that our Jewish brothers and “colored brothers” must face in everyday America? I am willing to help. Cue: I Can Help by Billy Swan circa 1974.

  47. anarchyst says:
    @mark green

    It goes back a lot further than the destruction of South Africa with the abolition of “apartheid”.

    The American “civil-rights (for some)” movement was entirely a jewish operation.

    I came of age during the first so-called “civil-rights” movement and saw for myself the underhanded dealings, the demonization of us decent, law-abiding whites, and in general, the deterioration of civil society.

    Almost all of the “civil-rights” workers and demonstration “handlers” were of one persuasion–New York based leftist communist jews. They cared not one wit about true “civil rights”, but were there to create hate and discontent among their black charges (who were too stupid or naive to see that they were being used to suborn and destroy legitimate government and society–a favorite communist tactic).

    These New York-based “carpetbaggers” fomented their hate and discontent using their black “pets”, only to become future “civil-rights” attorneys, race-hustlers, and America-hating leftist communists…and the ADL, NAACP and $PLC being invented.

    It is interesting to note that the NAACP was entirely jew-run until blacks finally “got smart” and kicked the jews out in the 1970s.

    Those of us whites who were in the middle of this “civil-rights” revolution had a saying: “Behind every negro, there is a jew”. No truer words were ever spoken.

    Let’s not forget jewish infestation of the nation’s education and entertainment systems, (which continues to the present day), in which they can spread their jewish supremacist poison.

    The so-called “non-violent civil-rights demonstrations” were anything but “non-violent”. Robberies, rapes, and other criminal acts committed by jewish civil-rights handlers and their black “pets” were common, but never reported, as even the “mainstream media” of the day was “in on the game” and conveniently turned off their cameras during the acts of violence. You see, even then,”creating crises” was a part of the agenda.

    The “beginning of the end” of America was the use of federal troops against white Americans, which, in itself was a violation of “posse comitatus”–the prohibition of the use of federal troops for domestic law enforcement purposes.

    President Eisenhower, being of jewish extraction showed his visceral hatred of white gentiles by using federal troops to suppress constitutionally protected dissent.

    As most whites were (and still are) law-abiding, they (we) were “steamrollered” by the use of federal troops to crush our (white) honest dissent.

    We never recovered from those unconstitutional actions. It was all downhill from there…

    • Agree: Katrinka, Fallingwater
  48. The bluest city of the blue – the Board of Supervisors of San Francisco – during one of the bloodiest bombings of Gaza by the heavenly host, was interrupted by hundreds of real liberals – young people – who wanted nothing more than for SF to pass a resolution to condemn the bombings. For hours on end, these youngsters complained about the fire and destruction reigning on the many innocents in Gaza. When they were finished the head of the board said XYZ, stated a Jewish Board member (so noted by the chief of the BoS), had a motion. His motion was to table the current discussion (never to appear again). It was approved without opposition or comment. In Nancyland you won’t make your stand. A double standard land that is warping our value sets. We are being made impervious to these double stands for fear of economic and social shunning. Pray and Merry Christmas.

  49. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    No wires to trip, sorry. Here’s the thought process. How do you break this loop? Racist = Bad. Racist Murder = Really Bad. Holocaust = Worst Evil of All Time. Why? Killing Chosen People Makes God Angry. Hitler = Absolute Evil. God Punished Hitler. Whites Must Atone For Hitler Sin On White Race. Killer Cops = Racist Murderers. Blacks and Jews = Former Slaves God Delivered to Promised Land. Cop Killings Are Racist holocaust (small case H). Some holocausts are worth of a display in The Holocaust Museum.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  50. The Keep State

    BARR KNEW OF HUNTER & UNCLE JIM INVESTIGATION FOR 2 YEARS…AND SAID NOTHING


    • Replies: @mark green
  51. @Moi

    Yeah, but they rejected Him, and still do, and that ‘s the important part.

  52. chuckywiz says:

    A few months ago I was critical of your article about George Floyd where it sounded that George was a criminal and such incidents do happen. My response was that police has no right to choke anyone to death even a criminal. The debate of blacks committing crime more than other groups and police brutality will continue. But Law enforcement professional have responsibility to perform their duties within guidelines. Let us face it. A policeman, for instance, shoots a guy more than 6-7 times who is running away from him and cop claims self defense.

    I like the objectivity and information provided in this article. It is non productive, in my opinion, to have a pissing match that Jews did this and that. I would appreciate when the commentators and writers go after and expose the culprits by name and references. One of my favorite is hypocrisy of Rahm Emanuel, Obama’s chief of staff, mayor of Chicago, an Israeli soldier who never volunteered in US armed forces.

    If the Talmudist have the money and blackmailing skills then people who disagree with their methods should respond with more legal force by exposing the money changers. I always thought the scene in the movie “The Untouchable” with Sean Connery and Kevin Costner was memorable.

    • Replies: @Donald A Thomson
  53. Katrinka says:
    @Moi

    Modern Talmudism was invented as a response to Christianity. The religion of the Talmud did not exist at the time of Jesus.

    https://keruxreplies.blogspot.com/2010/06/judeo-christian-is-oxymoron.html

    http://judaism.is/judeo-christian.html

    • Replies: @chuckywiz
  54. AaronB says:

    Eh.

    Leftists have been trying to brand Israel a racist apartheid state for 70 years. It never stuck, and never will.

    Israel is noticeably multiracial. Like you cant help noticing it the moment you step off the plane. Tons of browns and blacks.

    Israel has a 25% Arab minority that has full civil rights and achieve high political and social positions. Israel has other minorities like the Druze who reach high positions in the army.

    Israel is a multireligious society, with respect for religious rights. Christians Arabs are volunteering for the army in increasing numbers, as are Muslim Arabs.

    Israel is a liberal democracy that is fighting reactionary authoritarian regimes, etc. It has full respect for gay rights etc.

    Jews are a historically persecuted minority who were almost wiped out.

    The list goes on and on.

    You guys will just never succeed in convincing mainstream people of your absurd agenda.

    True, Israel is an explicitly Jewish state, an explicitly nationalist state, and the stuff with the Palestinians looks kind of icky from the left wing pov.

    But thats not enough to counter all the massive positives from the Leftist pov.

    Sorry, guys, you have no chance. You’ve been trying for 70 years. When your opponent has so many pluses in the game, and you’re gains reality, you cant win.

    But keep on trying if it gives your life meaning.

  55. @Sick of Orcs

    Secession was one of the worst bad political ideas in the long, sad history of bad political ideas. You have only to read the reminiscences of Confederate veterans who declared that serving was the greatest mistake of their lives – all those boys and men lost in the mud and madness of war so a handful of arrogant aristocrats could set up plantations where they were not welcome, in Kansas and Nebraska and the Dakotas, for pity’s sake. Instead so many focus today on the rants of the alienated, isolated “hard shells” and “bitter enders,” who were unable -like today’s die-hard Trumpistas- to come to terms with how badly they’d been swindled by master con men.

    The supposedly great ideological divide in America exists mainly in the fervid imaginations of extremist conservatives, whose knee-jerk reaction to change of any kind is panicked resistance. We are Americans, we don’t give a damn about politics. Half of us know the game is rigged and don’t dignify the scam by voting: we all accept that as normal. We all cuss politicians and complain about taxes, then go back to watching TV, because in reality no one anywhere on earth has it better than we do here, and only loons spook at shadows and want to fix what ain’t broken.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  56. Panadechi says:

    We should be concerned about the white genocide in the West, promoted by the Jews.

    • Agree: Trinity, Katrinka
  57. @AaronB

    You guys will just never succeed in convincing mainstream people of your absurd agenda

    The key thing here is that to convince mainstream people, you need to be dictating the content of the mass media. We got a lot of coverage of BLM and George Floyd over the past few months, it even reached all the way across the Atlantic here in the UK and many other European nations where is seemingly had no relevance.

    Now imagine if news coverage was dedicated for months on end to this or that Palestinian kid who had his kneecaps blown off by IDF snipers, and we had coverage of every pro-Palestine march around the world and politicians tweeting out support against the spectre of “Jewish supremacy”, then perhaps we could convince mainstream people don’t you think?

    But as you say here

    Sorry, guys, you have no chance. You’ve been trying for 70 years. When your opponent has so many pluses in the game, and you’re against reality, you can’t win.

    the opposition indeed has many pluses and can use these pluses to mould reality to their advantage.

    I suppose the moral of this story is, whenever one sees Jewish blue ticks on Twitter pontificating about the need for tolerance and anti-racism, one has the duty to shoot back at them using a whataboutery and ask them about the Jewish ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinians, this serves two purposes, first it takes takes the heat off the initial accusations against White people, and second it exposes the Jewish anti-White activists as the frauds they are and exposes how they are in the anti-racism game for less than noble purposes.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Commentator Mike
  58. @Shibusa

    ..no evidence that there was a racial element to the death of Saint Floyd.

    YES, thank you! That is what I’ve been saying from the beginning of this kabuki play. Where is the evidence of racism in that situation? Still waiting….

    No, it’s as simple this: media outlets, one after another, simply repeat the same assertion of racism. It only takes about one day of people being exposed to multiple sources saying the same and it sticks.

    Just as, on a smaller scale, this week about some asserting that the “Dr” Jill Biden kerfuffle is sexist. Where was her sex mentioned as having been relevant in how she wants to be addressed and the issue some have taken with that preference? It’s vapor….

  59. chuckywiz says:
    @Katrinka

    According to Talmud Non Jews or Goys must be exterminated. Zohar (1, 25b)

    https://archive.org/details/jewish-kabbalah-zohar-1-25b-exterminate-all-non-jews

    Menahoth 43b-44a. Talmud
    A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

    https://dailydaf.wordpress.com/2011/04/24/menachot-43b-tzitzit-sin-mitzvot-and-identity/

    I wonder how would the Christian Evangelist would respond to this

    • Thanks: Trinity
  60. Trinity says:
    @AaronB

    WHY do (((people like you))) wish to lie, steal, cheat, and look to get something for nothing ALL THE TIME? HOW does someone (((like you))) live with themselves or sleep at night? Oh, that is right. It is called being a sociopath. I mean it doesn’t take intelligence or any gift to screw people over, it just takes a selfish bastard who has no principles, a vermin, etc. Anyone with an ounce of integrity, morality or pride doesn’t delight in taking, stealing or getting over on others. Your post really speaks volumes on what a spewer of utter horseshit you are. Sorry, carry on being a selfish, racist, misanthropic, pathologically lying prick of a human being. We all have to answer in the end. Wonder how you will explain it to the Almighty then. I am sure, you can’t call Him a name and expect to get your way.

  61. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Now imagine if news coverage was dedicated for months on end to this or that Palestinian kid who had his kneecaps blown off by IDF snipers, and we had coverage of every pro-Palestine march around the world and politicians tweeting out support against the spectre of “Jewish supremacy”, then perhaps we could convince mainstream people don’t you think?

    Actually, that used to be the case in the 90s and during the Intifadas. Just non stop coverage of the big bad Israelis being bullies.

    It played a huge part in Israeli willingness to make huge concessions during Oslo, and when the Palestinians turned to violence after rejecting all Israeli concessions and demanding Israel dismantle itself, led to the initially muted and restrained military response.

    Palestinians rejecting peace was a huge blessing for Israel. It also took the sting out of the Leftist critique. It became too hard to ignore who was willing to make concessions and who was out for blood, even for the Left.

    I suppose the moral of this story is, whenever one sees Jewish blue ticks on Twitter pontificating about the need for tolerance and anti-racism, one has the duty to shoot back at them using a whataboutery and ask them about the Jewish ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Palestinian

    This is what you’ve been trying to do. You have to play to your strengths.

    If you want to push the ethnic cleansing and genocide claim, Israel has easy rebuttals to that. People have been trying hard to make that stuick, but it is simply too absurdly against reality to stick.

    I’m sorry, but Israel has its bases covered.

    The Left has a very coherent moral narrative, even if you dislike it. Within that narrative, Israel has too many pluses to outweigh the negative of being nationalist and being seen as not so nice to Palestinians.

    The smart thing in any situation, is work with what you got. Go with the flow and you can influence it a bit.

    Look at what Israel did. It didn’t merely push back that nationalism is ok, but made sure to get many Leffist bases covered first. A White nationalism that covered many Leftist bases might just sneak past the moral police.

    Right now, the Left is the Power. If you dont somehow work with it, you will be crushed.

    Thats how it’s done. You guys will just be perpetual losers of you consistently refuse to learn how the world works and just throw yourself against walls. No wonder you sympathize with the Palestinians

    And now, with so many Arab states making peace, the old Leftist critique of Israel – which I know you are just exploiting for your purpose and don’t really believe in – is even more threadbare than ever.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  62. @Priss Factor

    Hi Priss. A riveting and persuasive takedown of AG Bill Barr (as well as our vaunted news media and FBI) can be seen in this short, memorable interview that appeared on Newsmax yesterday. Sebastian Gorka at his very best:

  63. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    It played a huge part in Israeli willingness to make huge concessions during Oslo, and when the Palestinians turned to violence after rejecting all Israeli concessions and demanding Israel dismantle itself

    That’s just propaganda. I suppose “demanding Israel dismantle itself” refers to the “right of return”, and sure, of course it would be unacceptable from a Zionist position to accept millions of Palestinians coming to Israel, everybody understands that. But the Palestinian position during the negotiations in the late 1990s/early 2000s was a lot more flexible on this point than you seem to imply, they might well have been content with mostly symbolic concessions and financial compensation. And Israel didn’t make “huge concessions” at all, throughout the entire peace process settlements building and land confiscations continued, the Israeli right at least was obviously never willing to make meaningful concessions leading to a Palestinian state.
    The Palestinians aren’t blameless either and their methods during the 2nd intifada can’t be condoned, but your version is just a self-serving Zionist myth.
    (for a more detailed discussion of the issue see Jeremy Pressman, Visions in Collision: What Happened at Camp David and Taba?, in: International Security 28/2, Fall 2003, p. 5-43).

    Look at what Israel did. It didn’t merely push back that nationalism is ok, but made sure to get many Leffist bases covered first. A White nationalism that covered many Leftist bases might just sneak past the moral police.

    You’re either a total idiot if you believe this (unlikely imo) or totally disingenuous with that statement. You must know full well that even a moderate ethno-cultural nationalism for white gentiles in the US and Western Europe (e.g. one which respects the rights of existing minorities, but explicitly states that white gentiles have collective interests and that immigration needs to be severely curtailed) would be absolutely rejected by the left…and also by most Jewish organizations which are usually strong advocates of a multiculturalist model and reject the very idea that white gentiles can have legitimate collective interests.
    One doesn’t even have to accept the more extreme claims about Israel (“genocide” in the strict sense is certainly not something it’s guilty of, at least not yet) to see that there is an egregious double standard, and that many Zionists and their gentile allies are total hypocrites.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  64. TG says:

    But this is just another example of an old rule. “What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is negotiable.”

    Americans are forbidden from enforcing the laws against illegal immigration because it would mean separating children from their alleged parents. THIS IS THE ONLY US LAW THAT CANNOT BE ENFORCED FOR THIS REASON. If someone trespassed onto the private estates of a billionaire, you bet they would be prosecuted, and if that meant that children were separated from their parents, so what?

    If all these third-world refugees flooding on over the border were to be, not a profitable source of cheap labor, but a drag on elite profits, they and their children would be machine gunned on the spot and nary a tear shed.

    Rich jews are for massive immigration into the United States, because like all rich Americans, it will drive wages down and rents and profits up. Rich jews are against massive immigration into Israel, because they care about Israel. End of story.

  65. Israel and the zionists are committing genocide on the Palestinians and the zionist controlled government of the ZUS backs this genocide to the hilt, without which Israel would not have the guts to carry out this genocide.

    To read about the genesis of this zionist created genocide , read the book The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed.

  66. Mulegino1 says:

    The Jews (as a collective) do not consider themselves bound to any moral strictures or legalities, much less to a sense of justice or what used to be referred to as “fair play.” They are only concerned with what is good for the Jews.

    The Talmudic mitzvah to “kill all the best of the gentiles” works fine for them, since its natural corollary involves elevating the worst, most venal and stupid among them- the most pliable and the most corruptible, as these are by far the most effective instruments they have to achieve political and cultural domination. This is the basis of their hatred and enmity towards intelligent, strong and effective leadership, so long evinced by their collective actions throughout history.

    Jewish health equates to a corrupt and monetized world, because that is their ideal venue.

    We must never forget the words of the great Codreanu: “The Jews thrive in the swamp of our sins.”

    On the other hand, if a society is a flourishing, vigorous and industrious, the Jews will either try to infest it and bring it down to the lowest level, or play their divide and conquer games and attack it from without, by inciting its common adversaries to coalesce against it- as happened during the 1930’s and ’40’s.

    The Zionist occupation of Palestine does constitute a different tack in Jewish history, which did not necessitate any sophisticated stratagem of infiltration or waging war through proxies- it was simply thievery under the color of false victimhood and an absolutely spurious historical claim to the land. The Palestinian Muslims and Christians had no voice anywhere, no power, and no powerful patrons to appeal to. Palestine was low hanging ripe fruit on a tree and history’s greatest opportunists picked it clean.

    • Thanks: Trinity
  67. TGD says:

    Giraldi:

    Jewish groups have expressed their pleasure with the appointments so far made by Biden, most particularly Ron Klain as Chief of Staff and Jake Sullivan as National Security Adviser.

    I can’t find any information on the internet as to the religious affiliation or ethnicity of Jake Sullivan.

  68. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    The problem with White nationalism from a Leftist point of view, is that it is explicitly based on race.

    Israeli nationalism, is not racial. There are black Jews, Indian jews – you get the point.

    Nevertheless, Israel is “functionally” a largely White country, in that even its two main founding groups, European and Oriental Jews, are White.

    The Left will not accept a race based White nationalism. Not gonna happen, and beating down this wall will get you nowhere. Most normal prople won’t either.

    Now, imagine if you constructed an identity that was functionally White, but one in which at least some members of all races could fully participate, not be a protected outsider.

    For instance, a Black Jew is not a protected outsider, but a full participant in national Israeli identity.

    In other words, your identity wouldn’t explicitly be based on race, but functionally it would promote White collective interests.

    Now, this would not be a slam dunk. There was tremendous opposition even to Israeli nationalism from the Left, and the Left still isn’t entirely comfortable with it. But this is a battle you might win.

    I dont understand, why you cant become creative and work within current paradigms to achieve your goals. You have to work with the grain, not against it, and you guys are doing nothing but frontal challenging paradigms, making no concessions, and working against the grain.

    Another example is Christianity and the warrior class. Officially, you were supposed to be humble and turn the other cheek, and early church fathers wrote against war and soldiering and tried to make it hard and disreputable to be a warrior.

    The old pagan warrior class, didn’t just challenge this paradigm, but made concessions to it and created the Code of Chivalry, the Knight who protects the weak and defenseless, and by the turn of the millennium, Popes were preaching holy war, lol.

    Success is always going with the grain. Be creative, flexible, subtle- even, dare I say it, practice subterfuge. But this stupid frontal collision, challenging reigning powers and paradigms head on, is the work of idiots. You guys care at once too much about words and appearances, and too little.

    For instance, formally, there is nothing within Judaism that says all Jews can’t be Black. Israel even brought in hundreds of thousands of Ethiopians. In reality, if 50 million Nigerians converted to Judaism, Israel isn’t letting them in.

    But the Palestinian position during the negotiations in the late 1990s/early 2000s was a lot more flexible on this point than you seem to imply, they might well have been content with mostly symbolic concessions and financial compensation

    They were offered both, and rejected it. They were quite serious about not compromising on the Return of descendants of Arabs who fled Israel during the war. Everyone was shocked by it, and Clinton said Arafat made a fool of him.

    The Palestinians are a good example of a people who refused to compromise with reality, frontally challenged everything, and became the world’s greatest loser people.

    There is a reason the alt right, or parts of it, feel a spiritual affinity with the Palestinians. (Also because they both have a culture of aggression and are not “nice”)

    If you think this kind of thing is noble or tragic or whatever, good for you. If you prefer noble defeat to life and victory, that’s your choice.

    There are times when noble defeat is the best thing, because the alternative is a full giving in. This isn’t one of those times.

  69. @Moi

    Half Jew.

    Not accepted by Jews today, makes Him NOT a Jew.

  70. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    The problem with White nationalism from a Leftist point of view, is that it is explicitly based on race.

    No, the problem is that it’s exclusionary, the left would just as much reject a nationalism based mostly on cultural criteria (like one that would exclude Jews and Muslims from political rights :-)).
    And your distinction is a false one imo (talk of “white nationalism” is really only appropriate for the US btw imo). Despite occasional conversions, the vast majority of Jews are so by descent and this will in all likelihood remain so. I’ll concede that Jewish nationhood has some unusual features, but it’s disingenuous to claim that it’s only based on values, open to outsiders etc.

    The Palestinians are a good example of a people who refused to compromise with reality, frontally challenged everything, and became the world’s greatest loser people.

    Again, that’s a self-serving Zionist propaganda point, directly adressed in the article I mentioned in my previous comment, and by many other specialists besides. I don’t even like Palestinians much and their violent tactics have certainly frequently been repellent, but this “They’ve brought their situation all on themselves because they wanted to drive the Jews into the sea” line is just bs.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @marco1123
  71. Agent76 says:

    November 12, 2020 Presumptive Biden Chief of Staff called himself a ‘soldier’ in NARAL’s pro-abortion ‘army’

    NARAL has openly praised Planned Parenthood’s white supremacist founder Margaret Sanger, and like Planned Parenthood, was founded by proponents of eugenics.

    https://www.liveaction.org/news/biden-presumptive-chief-of-staff-celebrated-abortion-referred-to-himself-as-a-soldier-in-narals-army/

    November 5, 2020 US Elections 2020: A Who’s Who of Joe Biden’s Foreign Policy Team

    Democratic nominee’s advisers consist of many former Obama-era officials, some who helped craft the Iran nuclear deal, drone strikes programmes and sanctions on Syria and Libya.

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/us-election-joe-biden-foreign-policy-team

  72. mcohen says:

    Aaron b

    ironically it is the trump administration that will create peace or at least one step closer between Israel and the Arab bloc.This is the same administration that is also supported by white nationalists .

    therefore x=y(a-b)÷2p×r6.

    see.it all makes sense.I wrote this after the incident

    Minnesota burning

    [MORE]

    Fires are burning,the white house black
    People are hurting,there’s no turning back
    A man lay dying,on the street
    A broken heart ceased to beat

    The say Floyd broke the law
    A poor man’s last straw
    But this tragedy is looped on repeat
    A broken system lies under a sheet

    When will change give people hope
    Save them from a slippery slope
    They say promises are broken
    When gestures are but a token

    Let fires be a guiding light
    To do what is right
    Together we must all stand
    To bring change to this land.

  73. @AaronB

    The problem with White nationalism from a Leftist point of view, is that it is explicitly based on race.

    Israeli nationalism, is not racial. There are black Jews, Indian jews – you get the point.

    Actually, if you read the New York Times and other liberal media, you will see they also take a negative stance towards Hindu Nationalism in India. Hindus so come in different races and ethnicities like Jews. The point, as German Reader said, is that it is an exclusionary ideology, it is sheer hypocrisy for the ADL and the likes to run interference for the Israel Lobby in America while hounding down White interest groups.

    Surely you will accept that when we have the fact that a supermajority of Jews in America support Israel and Zionism, and a supermajority also identify as “liberal”, even in the best case scenario, you will have a substantial number of Jews who are both liberals in America and nationalists in Israel.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  74. Katrinka says:
    @AaronB

    What do you do for a living? Peddle lies?

  75. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    I’ll concede that Jewish nationhood has some unusual features, but it’s disingenuous to claim that it’s only based on values, open to outsiders etc

    .

    It has enough unusual features to make it somewhat palatable to the Left, just enough so that it makes the cut, or at least, isn’t an area of serious moral concern for the Left (except of course the extremist fringe).

    Its like a grade C from the Leftist pov, while Arab society is a clear F.

    No, the problem is that it’s exclusionary, the left would just as much reject a nationalism based mostly on cultural criteria (like one that would exclude Jews and Muslims from political rights :-)).

    You gotta be pragmatic and mix and match things. On the one hand, Christians and Muslims have full civil rights in Israel and achieve high positions, and their religion is officially recognized and respected, and are considered full participants in the Israeli nation.

    On the other hand, only Jews are granted automatic citizenship upon request, and the state clearly favors one particular culture.

    The Israeli system concedes a little here, strengthens a little there, in a pragmatic way that foes not rigidly apply a principle.

    Its a sort of “patchwork” systems that concedes enough to the Left to make a difference, without surrendering its goals.

    One thought pattern I notice among White nationalists, is rigid adherence to principle. You are being too rational and consistent. You don’t actually need a consistent and rational system – a patchwork one is much better.

    That is why it’s so hard to categorize Israel. What is a country that gives its Muslims and Christians full citizenship rights, where they can become judges, ceos, generals, and ministers, but where only Jews can immigrate to?

    Such a country, does not neatly fit into any one category. Say one thing about Israel, and the opposite is almost equally true.

    People have for long been puzzled by Judaism. Is it a religion or an ethnicity? It crosses categories.

    So you can be creative and flexible. Moreover, your strategy is actually supposed to evolve as you gain power. When you start off, you make much more concessions.

    I get the sense that White nationalists have but one strategy – lay out your full position now and frontally reject the reigning paradigm.

    I can imagine a White nationalism, that started off now when its weak by making maximal concessions to the Left, as it gains power, it does less.

    I get the sense White nationalists have no notion of concealing their true intentions until they are stronger or of an evolving strategy with phases, and believe they must construct an identity that is consistent, rational, unambiguous, and does not cross categories.

    Its almost a charming example of Enlightenment thinking, in both its strengths and limitations, but I would submit that when it comes to politics, it is astonishingly naive and unintelligent.

    Politics, the pursuit of power, is an art, and not an engineering problem. Treating it as a simple engineering problem, where everything is lucid, clear, upfront, consistent, and rational, is a category error.

    They’ve brought their situation all on themselves because they wanted to drive the Jews into the sea” line is just bs.

    Well, certainly there was no cards they could have played which wouldn’t have resulted in an Israel being created.

    But at every point, it really is astonishing how poorly they did play the cards they were dealt. If it looks at the moment like they will get nothing, that really is their own fault.

    They never could have gotten it all, but they could have gotten plenty. In 1936, the Jews even agreed to an astonishing 5% of the land. The Arabs said no….

  76. Quite a few sayanim and hasbara infesting these comment sections lately. More than normal.

    What is even more disturbing is the rise in “Christian” zionists and secular non-Jew zionists.

  77. @AaronB

    “and the stuff with the Palestinians looks kind of icky”

    Ya think?

    LOL

  78. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    It’s all absolutely disgusting. Imagine all these Europeans were going wild and rioting days on end because US cops killed a black criminal (not that I support what the cops did) and turned George Floyd into a hero but nothing, absolutely nothing when an IDF sniper killed a double amputee protester, Ibrahim Abu Thuraya. Now why didn’t they turn this guy into a hero and riot daily for six months throughout the western world? Not even the Arabs in France did anything but rose to support Floyd. I sometimes feel it’s pointless trying to point out to people how fake and hypocritical they all are.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Malla
    , @Jila
  79. marco1123 says:
    @German_reader

    Palestinians are great looser and marginalized people because they are weak and their leaders were/are sold out by blackmails. Palestinians, a group of Christians and Muslims, were portrayed as Muslims. Their so called Muslims supporters like Saudis, UAE, Egypt, Jordan and others were threatened, coerced, and blackmailed to submit to the wishes of US foreign policy leaders.
    Palestinians are as violent as Israelis but at least they are oppressed and not the oppressors and they are defending what is rightfully theirs.

    Israel has border less territory and if one cares to see Palestinians land grab by Israel he or she would find the truth of who is oppressor and who is oppressed.
    Go and read some history and stop pretending to be Mr. Know All.

  80. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    The New York Times is not particularly favorable to Israeli nationalism, and was much worse in the 90s. I remember the NYT had a reputation among Jews for being extremely anti-Israel, and as a young Zionist, I was regularly incensed by what I perceived as outrageous bias.

    The Oslo accords really did change the landscape a lot. After that, the old Leftist narrative was hard to sustain. The withdrawal from Gaza, followed by rockets, also contributed to a changed moral landscape.

    Its like with Hezbollah. When Israel was occupying 20 kms of Lebanon, Hezbo claimed it was merely defending Lebanon, and attracted sympathy.

    The moment Israel withdrew in 2000, Hezbo announced their new goal was to liberate Jerusalem and AL Quds (that was their stated goal in the 2006 war, notably unachieved).

    Israel, by showing a willingness to make dramatic and far reaching concessions, and by actually making no less than 2 significant withdrawals, took the wind out of the sails of the Leftist narrative.

    Rightists in Israel were furiously opposed to these withdrawals and concessions, but they proved to be political genius. You have to be flexible and make concessions to the reigning powers to survive and thrive.

    No one thinks of Hindus as a bunch of different races. Either way, a condition for tolerance by the Left is to grant your cultural nd religious minorities full participation rights. Israel does that with its Muslims, Druze, and Christians, who become judges, generals, ministers, etc. Modi’s India has moved to restrict the civil rights of its Muslims, and there have been violent riots against Muslims, who admittedly are more numerous and problematic and restive than Israeli Muslims, who are even volunteering for the Israeli army in greater numbers.

    Surely you will accept that when we have the fact that a supermajority of Jews in America support Israel and Zionism, and a supermajority also identify as “liberal”, even in the best case scenario, you will have a substantial number of Jews who are both liberals in America and nationalists in Israel.

    Yes, but Israel fits into the Liberal narrative to a decent degree.

    A “safe haven” for Jews, a historically persecuted minority, who suffered genocide im the 20th century. Thats amazing Leftist street cred right there.

    Then the multi-racialism and multi culturalism, making an actual effort, at risk and expense, to bring in African Jews. That’s great Leftist cred.

    Tel Aviv being one of the gay capitals of the world; that’s Leftist street cred.

    Then Israel is fighting patriarchal, oppressive societies, too.

    Anyways my other comments discuss all the Leftist street cred Israel has accumulated across many domains.

    • Troll: Trinity
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  81. Actually, the Jewish lionization of blackness is NOT liberal. If anything, it is like Zionism.

    Zionism says Jews uber alles. Jews matter more. Jewish lives have value. If countless Arabs die, no big deal. If a few Jews die, what a tragedy.

    BLM says blacks uber alles. Blacks matter more. Black lives have value. If blacks attack whites and non-blacks, no big deal. But if whites kill blacks, OH MY!!

    Jews uber alles and blacks uber alles are two sides of the same supremacist coin.

    In the US, so much ink spilled over Jews & Israel and precious black lives.

    But, apart from homos, no one else matters.

    So, it’s not like Jews are liberal on everything but Palestine.
    Jewish attitude about blacks is co-supremacist.
    Jews, blacks, and homos share in the co-supremacist game.

    Especially because people are noticing that Jews are treating Palestinians badly and Jews are super-rich in the West, Jews cling to holy union with blacks, many of whom are still poor, to wash away their crimes against Palestinians. After all, if blacks are holy and if Jews and blacks are allies, then Jews have the benediction of blacks. Of course, Jews have to dole out lots of money to black groups, but Jews figure it’s worth the price

  82. @trickster

    “Are they [Jews] smart OR OR OR are we dumb.”

    We are most certainly dumb.

    But I have learned by observation. From them I now recognize this “brotherhood of mankind” piety is all bullshit. But I am smart enough to pretend it’s the truth, because it’s the fashionable hypocrisy; and openly violating fashionable hypocrisies can be dangerous.

    I no longer believe we are all just one big happy family but, realistically, now take care of mine and my own first.

  83. AaronB says:
    @Commentator Mike

    How is the Left being inconsistent?

    You may disagree with Leftist principles, but I find they generally apply their principles pretty consistently.

    For the Left, Blacks are a victimized minority group, and America has a huge racism problem.

    Arabs are White, and generally live in their own independent countries. Palestinians do have some level of victim status in Leftist mythology, but nowhere near that of Blacks.

    And the Palestinian issue is complicated from a Leftist perspective. Jews also have victim status- with the Holocaust, a huge one. And Palestinians squandered much of their victim status after Oslo and the Gaza withdrawal.

    The Black/White issue is much clearer. Indeed its black and white 🙂

    You don’t have to agree with Leftist principles, but I fail to see how they are being inconsistent.

    • Troll: Malla
    • Replies: @German_reader
  84. @Wizard of Oz

    Gilad Atzmon has discussed this phenomenon in depth. I am quite sure you can find one of his YouTube videos that discusses it online…

  85. @trickster

    The “sublimely clever” have a very dysfunctional parliamentary system of government which not only fails to deliver stable government but frequently distracts the attention of the smart so some unnecessarily stupid things are done. E g. the shooting of civilian protesters on that boat off Gaza a few years ago which was deadly for relations with Turkey. And they do have blacks from Ethiopia as Jewish immigrants as just the most obvious of their home grown racial problems. Being outbred by huge Haredi families looms up also for the smarter. It probably is smart though to retain the Orthodox monopoly on what are regarded as legitimate conversions to Judaism for the purposes of entitlement to Aliyah. Meanwhile they go on alienating their growing Bedouin population while financing its horrendous birth rate….

    • Troll: Rurik
  86. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    Arabs are White

    No, they aren’t, phenotypically they often are quite distinctive even from swarthier Med Europeans; Sunni Arabs often also have substantial Sub-Saharan ancestry (sometimes clearly discernible). And “white” in any case also includes a strong cultural component, non-Christian peoples are excluded.

    And Palestinians squandered much of their victim status after Oslo and the Gaza withdrawal.

    That perception is completely at odds with the rise of the BDS movement, which Zionist lobbyists are obviously deeply afraid of and try to repress with legal sanctions in many Western countries.
    And while it’s probably true that many Westerners have grown tired of hearing about the Palestine issue and don’t have much sympathy for Muslims in any case, Israel’s popularity has also declined massively over recent decades (apart from white Americans, especially Evangelicals, due to the strange symbiosis between American and Israeli nationalism). It’s true that even in Europe there are still many pro-Zionist lefties, but the settlements issue has seriously tarnished Israel’s image.
    The Holocaust will also soon be beyond living memory, there won’t be many survivors left in a few years. Zionists won’t be able to play that card forever.
    Anyway, you’re writing a lot of tosh in this thread, Aaron, I’m really wondering if you’re not just trolling again because you’re offended by the antisemitism on UR.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Ann Nonny Mouse
  87. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    BDS is not having a significant impact.

    Pessin and Ben-Atar have argued that since Israel’s gross domestic product nearly doubled between 2006 and 2015 and foreign investment in Israel tripled during the same period, BDS has not had a significant impact on Israel’s economy.[204]

    A 2015 Israeli Knesset report concluded that BDS had no impact on Israel’s export-dependent economy and that exports to Europe were growing.[205]

    Adam Reuter of the Israeli Reuter Meydan Investment House has argued that boycotts of consumer goods are ineffective because 95% of Israel’s exports are business-to-business.[206]

    And with the recent peace deals with Arab states, it is even more of a pipe dream. UAE is set to invest heavily in Israel.

    Still, it’s obviously important to fight it, as it is an act of war.

    Israel’s popularity was at its nadir in the late 90s and early 2000s. I remember the Europeans were engaged in intense, constant anti-Israel efforts, the UN was condemning Israel every time it lifted a finger, and major American media like the NYT took a heavily anti-Israel stance.

    The atmosphere is just completely different now. The pressure has eased off tremendously, and there is widespread acceptance of Israel.

    With Muslim attacks in Europe increasing, understanding for Israel will only increase.

    No one cares about the settlements anymore except the fringe Left. As prospects for a Palestinian state fade, new creative solutions to resolving the conflict are being imagined. No one anymore believes the only solution is an independent Palestine. That’s last century. A big part of this shift in perception is the result of the Palestinians refusing to make concessions.

    Anyway, you’re writing a lot of tosh in this thread, Aaron, I’m really wondering if you’re not just trolling again because you’re offended by the antisemitism on UR.

    Lol, I’ve long ago made my peace with the antisemites on UR 🙂 I have even learned to appreciate them and regard them fondly. They have a special type of lunatic quality to them that is enjoyable.

    I think you’re- understandably – jealous that Jews can have a state that looks out for its collective interests while Germans cant. I completely get that, and I was trying to give you pointers on how you might change that.

    Maybe its not my place and I’m being presumptious, but it’s hard to see such basic unforced errors being made.

    Its easy to say Jews are just being hypocrites, but its better to invest some energy into figuring out why Jewish nationalism is not seen as radioactive as German, and to see if you cant apply some lessons to your situation.

    You want to study and understand the mentality of your enemy, or you will never win. There is a method to the madness – it only appears like madness to you because you don’t understand it. There is a system here – it is up to you to figure it out and exploit it. Or you can just accuse your enemy of being hypocritical and unfair. But that gets you nowhere, does it? You cant outmaneuver that, because there are no rules. But if you pass up the opportunity to see if maybe there are rules, that you can maybe exploit, then that’s just an indication that you’re exhausted.

    Look at Commenter Mike. He has such little comprehension of the Leftist mythology and system of heros and villains, that he cannot understand why they don’t put equal weight on Blacks and Arabs.

    If you prefer to see the situation as having no rules, and just accuse your enemy of being unfair, choosing passivity, and surrendering power. I have noticed that the alt right often prefer the pleasures of victimhood to personal agency.

    Which is fine. But that is the losers mentality, like the Palestinians.

  88. @Bardon Kaldian

    Yehudi Menu hints? Does he fit your list?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  89. @German_reader

    Arabs are Semites. Not because or just because Ishmael was the son of Abraham but because following the Muslim Arab conquest of Syria the Arameans and the Hebrews all began to call themselves Arabs. They are all of the same race and all spoke Semitic languages anyway. Linguistics says Arabic is a Semitic language.

    Jews pretending to be victims and blaming the real victims, their own victims, is sickening.

  90. @G J T

    I wonder what you would say of very smart rich Jews who topped the best local law school and went on to argue the leading case (“Mabo”) that overturned two centuries of apparently settled law to grant great swathes of “native title” in Australia to Aborigines who could show continuing connection to their tribal lands and had not had title terminated by actual Crown (i.e. state) grant of freehold or long leasehold to settlers.

    The Court which ultimately changed settled law had no Jews on it but several Catholics or Catholic educated.

    Curioysly, the lead counsel I refer to in his early years as a junior co unsel accepted a brief for the Scientologists when they were being investigated by Royal Commission in the late 60s. It could have just been on the Bar’s great “cab rank” principle but he may well have got the brief because he was already actively involved with the local Civil Liberties association. BTW his junior counsel’s name was Brian Keon-Cohen Go figure (?Bolshy Irish thrown in).

  91. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    BDS is not having a significant impact.

    I thought the question was about whether lefties are pro-Israel or not. It’s true that BDS is controversial even among lefties, but such views have certainly increased in profile in recent years. Western lefties aren’t unanimously pro-Israel.

    No one anymore believes the only solution is an independent Palestine.

    Yeah, because it’s increasingly obvious that Israel isn’t serious about a two states-solution. Which will eventually lead to calls that Israel should give the Palestinians in the West Bank citizenship with equal rights, because anything else will be seen as incompatible with liberal norms.
    I don’t get how Zionists imagine this to play out. Maybe they think they can make life for the Palestinians so unpleasant that most of them will just leave and go to Sweden or Germany. But this project just can’t be reconciled with mainstream liberal thought in Western societies.

    I think you’re- understandably – jealous that Jews can have a state that looks out for its collective interests while Germans cant. I completely get that, and I was trying to give you pointers on how you might change that.

    Well, you of course have a point about my motivation, I won’t deny that. But I find your recommendations (which are pretty vague) really bizarre, they completely ignore the actual power dynamics in Western societies; while self-restraint is a virtue, it’s also clear that any genuine nationalism will be seen as illegitimate by Western elites and they’ll try to repress it with any means possible. One only has to consider how much repression there has been in Europe against an avowedly non-violent movement like the Identitarians.
    Your recommendations also strike me as rather odd given the history of Zionism, which only succeeded through considerable use of violence and sometimes downright terroristic methods after all.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  92. @Anonymous

    All sides in such a conflict would have their share of opportunists, privateers, kushnery (((advisers))), underminers, etc. There’s certainly plenty around now.

    The covid hoax might be the final straw. In the past week, an NYT article informed that even after vaccination, we lemmings will still be forced to wear masks.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html

    There’s also the matter of #TheCreep’s suspicious ascension. Not only do most Trump voters believe there was substantial fraud, something like 30% of democrats believe this too.

    Something’s got to give.

  93. Z-man says:
    @Z-man

    You gotta give ‘them’ credit though. They’ve stuck behind their Zionist nation building project for ever. In a way you can understand their support for that nation state, however illegitimate it is. It’s in their blood. It’s like a French American having a soft spot for France only this Franco American would know where his loyalty lies.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  94. @Niebelheim

    Hitler sin? Hitler evil? A lot of Jews have the first name Joshua, commemorating a fiend vastly more evil, vastly more genocidal than Hitler. Why do they embrace genocide? Maybe Ron Unz got it right in his review of Israel Shahak’s book when he wrote, Ron wrote, “Nazism was Judaism for wimps.” Why do Jews name their sons Joshua? Why don’t they, those ones, all name their babies Adolf Hitler instead?

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  95. lysias says:
    @Anonymous

    Anybody who disagrees with their party line is banned from free republic.com. Jim Robinson, the founder of the site, once told me finamces required him to toe the line.

  96. lysias says:
    @Moi

    Regular Americans don’t know, because the media don’t tell them.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  97. lysias says:
    @Moi

    Jesus was a Jew who saw what was wrong with the Pharisees.

  98. @Anon

    ‘I hope we dont get a new George Floyd every presidential election year now.’

    Why shouldn’t we? Blacks seem to manage to get themselves killed while resisting arrest about monthly.

    …It actually amazes me they haven’t come up with a better poster boy. I mean, it’s a big country, and blacks commit about half the crime that occurs. One would think that somewhere, some cop would misjudge the situation and kill a black in indefensible circumstances.

    …just by the odds.

  99. @Observator

    Be ready for anything. When the Civil War began it was considered a mild kerfuffle that would resolve itself in a week.

    Besides, we’re already in a cold civil war; have been for decades. Every arriving gimmegrant, skilled or unskilled, “legal” or not, displaces the native born and lowers wages. 90% of them vote Democratic. Space in Red States is filling up fast with shitlib locusts fleeing wrecked blue states; having learned nothing, they keep voting for the same gibs and dumbass social engineering in their new homes.

    Death of our history by a million cuts continues unabated. Just this week the busybodies in gayfriscogayland voted to remove Lincoln’s name from a school. Don’t want to offend Shitavious’ tender sensibilities.

    The covid hoax and suspicious ascension of #TheCreep might be the two last straws (three if you count death by federal mafia money-printing.) Then again, the circus may limp on a few more years. But it ain’t just the kooks buying ammo anymore.

  100. @Z-man

    ‘…It’s like a French American having a soft spot for France only this Franco American would know where his loyalty lies.’

    I’d alter this somewhat. ‘It’s like a French American having a soft spot for France only this Franco American would know where his loyalty liesFrance is the land French people actually come from.’

    • Agree: Z-man
  101. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Yeah, because it’s increasingly obvious that Israel isn’t serious about a two states-solution. Which will eventually lead to calls that Israel should give the Palestinians in the West Bank citizenship with equal rights, because anything else will be seen as incompatible with liberal norms.
    I don’t get how Zionists imagine this to play out. Maybe they think they can make life for the Palestinians so unpleasant that most of them will just leave and go to Sweden or Germany. But this project just can’t be reconciled with mainstream liberal thought in Western societies.

    Yes, Israel is no longer interested in giving the Palestinians another state in the West Bank (they already have one in Jordan).

    But they were very serious at Oslo. I remember how upset at the time I was when it seemed to me Israel might lose the wonderful hills of Judea and Samaria.

    The shift occurred as a result of the violence after Oslo, and the experience with Gaza. Israeli Leftists, who were a powerful and influential group in Israeli politics – we used to mockingly call them “beautiful souls” because they were so exquisitely moral and sensitive they had lost the will to survive – lost all credibility, and themselves lost faith in their agenda. Reality was a rude shock.

    As someone who has Leftist tendencies myself, every few years I have to reacquaint myself with Muslim intransigence to understand what I am really up against.

    Life for the Palestinians is not at all unpleasantin the West Bank. Actually, its quite a bit better than much of the Muslim world. This is another reason for the decline in violence. Its not even that bad in Gaza, where new malls are being built. If Israel really wanted to make lifebad, it could severely ration water and electricity and food. It doesn’t.

    The fight is ideological. It has never been about material living conditions.

    [MORE]

    There isn’t any reason why Palestinians cannot have local rights in their towns and villages and a reasonable amount of adjacent land for farming. Why is there a need for a large state, with an army, is not clear. Their areas will be demilitrized, they will have full civil and political rights in their areas, and they will lead prosperous lives trading with Israel and the world.

    The Palestinians are part of the Arab nation, and not a distinctive people. The Arabs already have 22 states where Arab national spirit can express itself.

    There are tiny city states like Singapore and Luxembourh and Monaco. Those who wish, can move to Jordan (80% Palestinian), or other Arab countries. There seems nothing inconsistent with liberal principles here, and it seems eminently fair and practical.

    Well, you of course have a point about my motivation, I won’t deny that. But I find your recommendations (which are pretty vague) really bizarre, they completely ignore the actual power dynamics in Western societies; while self-restraint is a virtue, it’s also clear that any genuine nationalism will be seen as illegitimate by Western elites and they’ll try to repress it with any means possible. One only has to consider how much repression there has been in Europe against an avowedly non-violent movement like the Identitarians.

    I’m vague because I haven’t fully thought through any strategy – which cant be done anyways all at once, but must be done in increments, as you see how your actions work or don’t work, and adapt accordingly. There is never a “master plan” that is followed to the letter. There are general strategic principles, which are flexibly applied to shifting circumstances, and general goals. But the actual road you travel, and where you end up, may be quite different than you expected.

    I have merely offered general principles. But by examining Israel, I’ve also offered some concrete suggestions.

    Okay, so “genuine nationalism” – by which I take it you mean traditional racial nationalism- will be suppressed .

    So a flexible strategy would be, develop a modified nationalism of a non-traditional kind, that makes concessions to Leftist sentiment. You could even conceal your true intentions initially.

    Compromise on your identity, while keeping enough. If we look at Israel, it lets Muslims and Christians reach the highest levels and be fully participating members of the state, not merely tolerated oursiders. That is a compromise on the identity of the Jewish state. However, Jews still occupy a special place.

    If Israel wanted to max out on its Jewish identity, it wouldn’t do this. But it is self consciously compromising on its Jewish identity.

    You can creatively build your identity in a way that avoids pitfalls by reimagining what it means to be German. Look at how Israel doesn’t max out on its Whiteness. By bringing in Black Jews, it compromises on its racial identity.

    I think you guys are maxing out on the racial angle, which isn’t smart in our current climate. You want to include some liberalism in your conservatism. You want to be inclusive, but also exclusive. You can even be extra inclusive as an initial step, because you are starting from a position of weakness.

    I will offer another general principles – extremes don’t work. Success is always a dynamic balance between opposite claims. If you lean too much towards the side of exclusion, you will incur the wrath of the powers that be.

    Both the Left is extreme today and the responses to the Left. Eventually, a synthesis occurs, because extremes are unstable. So that will happen anyways. The anti nationalism of the Left is as untenable as the racial nationalism of the Right.

    Anyways, I dont really have much more to say on this at the moment, because it isn’t my fight. And the best, most creative thinking is by people who have skin in the game. And I have no skin in this game, so this can only be an intellectual exercise for me. I think the basic ideas I’ve offered have merit, but its not more me to flesh them out.

    Your recommendations also strike me as rather odd given the history of Zionism, which only succeeded through considerable use of violence and sometimes downright terroristic methods after all.

    Sure, there is a place for force, absolutely. But Israel was in the position of David vs Goliath. Persecuted Jews, suffering under Nazism, and the mighty British Empire, oppressor of the world, not letting them flee Europe to Palestine.

    When you resort to violence, you wanna make sure the moral balance favors or you, or at least is ambiguous.

    In the years leading up to Oslo, there was a real loss of the moral will to use violence in Israel, because the Left had made a credible case that Israel had not made concessions for peace. There was a growing moral unease about violence. Regusal to serve in the territories was widespread and growing (practically nonexistent today), and the military response to the Al Aqsa Intifada was initially muted. Soldiers were ordered to stand down and hide and take cover rather than engage Palestinian gunmen who were firing upon them, sn experience many of them reported aa humiliating.

    But as the bombs continued to go off in nightclubs and wedding halls, outrage began to grow…

  102. @AaronB

    ‘…If you prefer to see the situation as having no rules, and just accuse your enemy of being unfair, choosing passivity, and surrendering power. I have noticed that the alt right often prefer the pleasures of victimhood to personal agency.

    Which is fine. But that is the losers mentality, like the Palestinians.’

    I take it you haven’t much sympathy for Holocaust victims either.

    Wahhh, Wahhh! Frigging pussies…

    Have I got it right?

  103. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    So, here in Australia one of our top-level parliamentarians is a Jew. He is the Treasurer. Can you imagine the country’s Treasurer being a Jew?

    His name is Joshua Frydenberg. Why Joshua? Why didn’t his parents name him Adolf Hitler Frydenberg? Why choose the more evil one to name their son after?

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  104. @AaronB

    You are over-complicating matters, whoever controls the media controls the discourse and sentiments of the public, as well as the position of the Overton Window. The reason German nationalism is so much more toxic than Jewish nationalism is because most Western children (and I would imagine especially so in Germany) are brainwashed at a fairly early stage with Holocaust atrocity propaganda (the Blacks now also want a piece of the pie and want children to be subjected to slavery atrocity propaganda) so that questioning Jews becomes verboten.

    I could imagine a lack of support for Zionism amongst Western Jews and lack of support for Jewish centred activism if the crimes of Jews were hammered into peoples minds. But alas this is not the case. The only way for nationalists in the West to win is to not back down on the Jewish aspect of these things if need be. A major driving force of rootless cosmopolitanism in the West is organised Jewry, and in many cases these groups also support Zionism and Israel, not dedicating nearly as much energy of wailing about human rights abuses in the Occupied Territories as they do on wailing about the legacy of racism or whatever.

    Power means everything. The Zionists and their liberal Jewish bedfellows have the power and lots of it. Social media weakened traditional media and its narratives, so we also saw a crackdown on major platforms like YouTube or Facebook against ”hate speech”. Kevin B. MacDonald actually predicted Jewish organisations would play a leading role in censoring the Internet in his book Culture of Critique, published in 1998.

    Jewish Organizations and Censorship of the Internet

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Malla
  105. @AaronB

    You’re on a roll, aren’t you, Aaron?

    It’s like being at a smorgasbord: what to pick, what to pick? The New York Times hostile to Israel, hard cheese for the victims of racist oppression, Jordan the Palestinian homeland…

    And who knows how many more delicious treats? Well, I can’t take them all…

    Let’s go with this:

    ‘…Then Israel is fighting patriarchal, oppressive societies, too…’

    That would be why your Prime Minister advised the Knesset that just as it is wrong to beat animals, it’s wrong to beat women?

    That’s our Israel: a progressive leader. Down with the patriarchy and all that. Is it a democracy as well?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  106. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    The problem with White nationalism from a Leftist point of view, is that it is explicitly based on race.
    The Left will not accept a race based White nationalism.

    Why does the term Race based on genetic reality make it more of a problem? No Indian would accept the proposition that they be replaced by outsiders but with Indian culture.
    Race is an extremely valid way to define nations. In Europe it is not race, all Britons are White, all Frenchmen are White. You do not even have to define it by race, just define it by native populations, but that is still not acceptable by the Left. Race based nationalism is the most sensible, something which is based on reality.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  107. AaronB says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Let me see if I understand your position.

    The main reason White nationalism is in bad odor, is because Jews have captured the media and brainwashed Whites. Liberalism, has no basis in trends emerging out of European culture, no connection to religion or mans quest for moral meaning, nor is it connected to changed living conditions coming from science.

    Humans can be convinced of anything, by those who hold power, even to commit suicide. In this blank slate world, humans are infinitely malleable. Power can manipulate anything. Innate human nature, social trends, history, and environment, are not limits within which power must work.

    Jewish nationalism, does not have features which make it more acceptable to liberals. It is accepted, merely because powerful Jews say it should, and liberalism anyways, is a mere creation of Jews to hold down Whites, and has no basis in European history, religion, etc.

    Therefore, all you have to do is say White nationalism is good, and Jews are bad. Far from modifying your positions or practicing stealth, you should double down and escalate. If you repeat Jews are bad enough, you will eventually convert people to your vision.

    Well, your path is clear, and your road straight. Good luck.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  108. AaronB says:
    @AaronB

    Its an interesting philosophy. Its pristine in its simplicity.

    There are no intractable realities that you must grapple with, no stubborn facts of human nature, history, or environment, that you are forced to work with.

    There are no limits. There is only power. Whoever is in power, controls what people think. He doesn’t have to work within any constraints.

    Jews are in power, so they win. We get into power, we win. The history of liberalism is ignored.

    I can certainly see why this is an appealing philosophy. One doesn’t have to think much. One doesn’t have to deal with complicated facts. And it holds out the promise of unconstrained power.

    Well, I guess the only way to test it is to try it.

  109. Malla says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Kalergi Plan and Greater Israel, both at once. Aaron B wrote European negative experience with Muslims will make them more pro-Israel. I had written long time back, that this was one of the objectives of large scale Muslim immigration to Europe and their subsequent radicalization by Wahabi ideology. Muslims in their greed, anti-White hatred, anti-West hatred and their zeal to spread their religion in Europe actually have fallen into a Zionist trap.
    Also rightwinged Satanyahoo was scared of the rise of the right wing parties in Greece. Israeli groups welcoming “refugees” coming to the shores of Europe. Nationalism for me but not to thee.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  110. Malla says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Not even the Arabs in France did anything but rose to support Floyd.

    Arabs are so driven by their “hate YT” mental disease that they obsess with George Flyod but forget Ibrahim Abu Thuraya. I have written before, irrational hate YT is demonic and those nations who partake in it will have to pay the price in the future. That is how the universe works.
    Those nations/tribes who honour Whites and are friendly to Whites (and East Asians especially Japanese) will always benefit in the future. Those nations/tribes who have irrational hatred for Whites and East Asians especially Japanese, will always pay the price.Those nations/tribes who ass lick Jews (like the USA) will always pay the price. Look as the USA turn into a third world shithole. There are few exceptional cases but that is the general law of the Universe.

  111. Jews know that money power isn’t enough. And military power isn’t enough either. Jews have plenty of money, and the Jewish-controlled US has by far the most powerful military. Jews have the Strong Horse of money and military might. But to seal the deal, Jews know they also need the Sacred Cow of holiness. Indeed, this is where China has failed. China has built up a modern military. Though dwarfed by the US military, it is a great regional power and growing stronger. Also, China has spread a lot of money around, like Japan in the 1980s. So, China has been growing in Strong Horse capacity.
    It’s true enough that people tend to go with the Strong Horse. But Strong Horse alone has no moral protections unless matched with a Sacred Cow. If one is forced to choose between Money Power and Moral Prestige, he will generally choose the latter. (Moral Prestige isn’t the same as true morality. Rather, it is the power of officially sanctioned ethos. In communist nations, Marxism-Leninism had moral prestige. So, even as China can wield money power, its lack of moral prestige can lose friends who dread damage to their reputations. Chinese money is nice but not if tainted with Chinese vice. It’s like the Corleones in THE GODFATHER were tempted with the narcotics trade but said NO because of its risk to their reputation in respectable circles.)

    This is where Jewish Power and Chinese Power are different. Jewish Power grew dominant in industry and institutions, but if Jews learned one thing from history, it’s that they need the protection of Sacred Cow power. When Europe was confidently Christian, the Sacred Cow was with the Messiah and those who believed in him. If anything, Jews were seen as the Killers of Christ. So, even as Jews gained Money Power as merchants, they had little moral protection. The Jewish Strong Horse of big money could be slayed and butchered by treacherous goy elites(who didn’t want to pay back loans to Jews) or by mobs who felt exploited by Jews. And so, especially after World War II, Jews made sure their Strong Horse of money and privilege would have moral protection by the Sacred Cow of Shoah-Worship. In the US, we can berate the rich and condemn the 1% in the name of the 99%. Now, Jews are well-represented in the 1%, but they cannot be called out as Jews. So, even as rich people can be denounced, Jews cannot be no matter how rich they are. Jewish Strong Horse has Sacred Cow protection. If you dare to mention Jewish Power and its dark sides, you are an ‘Anti-Semite’ and potential ‘Nazi’, a total no-no.

    In contrast, look how Japan and China fared in American discourse. Japan seemed to be on the up-and-up in the 1980s. Japan was flush with cash, and Shintaro Ishihara boasted of a “Japan That Can Say No”. Japan seemed a Strong Horse back then and attracted much admiration and investment. But it also came under tremendous criticism, even condemnation. Japan had no Sacred Cow protection. Indeed, Strong Horse power paradoxically works to weaken the horse. A lot of influence, favors, and loyalty can be bought with lotsa money, but it also draws attention, criticism, and opprobrium. The more money is used to buy influence, the more negative attention it attracts.

    Furthermore, influence bought with money is purely a matter of ‘business’. Any partnership based on ‘business’ can vanish overnight. It used to be like a national pastime in goy nations to call attention to Jewish Power buying favors from turncoat gentiles. The more money Jews spent, the more they were called out as financial gangsters. So, buying influence and favors was like a double-edged sword. Jews paid off goy politicians and elites to do the bidding of Jewish Power, but they could be called out as ‘dirty Jews’. Also, even the goy politicians and elites who took from Jews felt a certain shame that they could so easily be bought by Jews. It was only with the Holocaust Theology following World War II that Jewish Strong Horse of money had the protection of the Sacred Cow of holy victimhood. Today, Jews are more corrupt than ever, but NO ONE dares to call out on the Jews. Jews ram Donald Trump in the arse, but his response is, “Can I suck your d***?”

    Compared to the Jews, Chinese are rank amateurs. Global Hillbillies really. Chinese made some serious money in the past two decades, and they are now going about it like the Japanese in the 1980s. They brazenly seek influence by throwing their money around. Of course, it often goes a long way as people all over the world love to take money. It’s like the guy in IDIOCRACY says, “I like money.”

    So, money can buy a lot. But partnerships based on money are on shaky grounds. It’s not like the bond within the family. Chinese nationalists feel a sense of unity and loyalty that goes beyond money. While plenty of Chinese are selfish enough to sell their own nation for thirty pieces of silver — Hong Kong Chinese collaborated with ‘foreign devils’ in the subjugation and exploitation of China — , there are Chinese patriots whose relation to the motherland isn’t simply about money or individual interests. It’s like there’s a difference between ‘personal’/’family’ bonds and ‘business’ interests in THE GODFATHER. It’s why Michael Corleone feels especially betrayed by Fredo, a family member.

    [MORE]

    Chinese got to thinking that they could spread the cash around and buy influence in the West. They didn’t learn the lesson of Japan in the 1980s. The more influence the Japanese bought back then, the more they exposed themselves as influence-peddlers. And those in the West who took Japanese money were derided as ‘Japanhandlers’. When public opinion turned against Japan, it meant loss to one’s reputation to be a ‘Japanhandler’ even if one was paid handsomely. Tarnished reputation could mean short-term gain but long-term loss. The money was good, but they were caricatured as whores of an alien power.
    And now, we are seeing the similar implosion of Chinese influence in the West, especially in the Anglosphere world of US, UK, Canada, and Australia. Chinese spread the cash around and thought they were getting far, but it only exposed them to China-bashers who are screaming about the ‘Chi-Coms’. (East Asians, because they tend not to be a verbal people, often settle issues with money, and this comes across as underhanded. In contrast, Jews may also pass money under the table, but they are always talking to explain their position, thereby appearing more justified.) There is a limit to what the Strong Horse of money can do. It gains entry but is then resented for trampling all around.
    Besides, even as China has the Strong Horse of money, its military capability is still far behind the Strong Horse of US military power that owns Taiwan and other ‘Asian Tiger’ nations as ‘protectorates’. US can bribe with money carrot or beat with the military stick. So far, Chinese can only buy influence with money, and it goes a long way but not all the way.
    In the case of Australia, all the influence-peddling with money seemed to have done more harm than good. Initially, China gained key access down under, but it also drew negative attention from the US(that can tolerate China as an economic power but not as a world player) and ordinary Aussies who feel their nation is being sold out to the Chinese. Furthermore, anti-Chinese bashing serves as an outlet for white frustration resulting from Politically Correct taboos that forbid white negativity about Jewish Power and blacks(and homos). So, as whites must suck up to Jewish Power(that does so much to undermine the West), grovel before blacks(who commit so much crime), and homos(who degrade culture and morality), they are desperate to take out their frustrations on something. As there is no taboo against bashing China, many whites blame the ‘Chi-Coms’ for everything. It’s like Alex Jones in the US got deplatformed by Jews but, LOL, gripes about the Chinese 24/7. And even as Rush Limbaugh praised Walmart as a great model of prosperity resulting from ‘free trade’, he dumped on the ‘Chi-Coms’. Never mind Walmart’s success owed to its contract with China. Go easy on US corporations and just blame the Chinese.

    Now, the Covid Hysteria seems the result of Chinese and Jews. The virus might have originated in China, especially due to government neglect. But, it was blown out of proportion because Jewish Power found it useful as a means to undermine Trump’s economy(thereby ruining his prospect for re-election) and to grab statist power to shut down populist movements. So, both China and Jewish Power are responsible for Covid being hyped as a ‘pandemic’. But, notice China is getting all the blame. Even Biden-voters blame China for Covid. China gets all the blame while Jews get no blame(even though Jewish Power blocked early attempts by Donald Trump to restrict travel between China and the US). Jews remain blameless whereas China is blamed for the ‘China Virus’. So, even though Chinese played the junior partner alongside Jews against Trump and his supporters, they are getting almost all the blame. At any rate, the terms of the Jewish-Chinese alliances is such that the Chinese do the bidding of Jews but also serve as the Fall Guy while the Jew goes unblamed. If a Jew and a Chinese plotted to steal honey from bees, the Jew would tell the Chinese to go at the bee hive. Both would get the honey, but the Chinese guy would also get the stings while the Jew would only get the honey.

    There are many more Chinese than Jews, but quantity isn’t everything. In a way, Jews always had a Sacred Cow mentality along with the Strong Horse Strategy; the Sacred Cow among Jews was the Covenant, the sense of the Chosen. So, when it came to the Strong Horse Strategy, Jews pretended to go along with the goy Strong Horse. But even as the Jewish body was serving the goy Strong Horse(be it Anglo, German, Russian, French, or whatever), the Jewish soul remained loyal to the Sacred Cow of Jewish Identity. In other words, even as Jewish senses could be overwhelmed by Gentile prowess, the Jewish Soul didn’t surrender to the Other. If anything, Jews served the goy Strong Horse to gain more power for themselves and grow their own Strong Horse that was trained to eventually outrace the Goy Strong Horse(like in BEN-HUR) and serve the Jewish Soul. In time, Jews would make goyim serve the Jewish Strong Horse as well.

    In contrast, Chinese only have a Strong Horse strategy. There is no sacred cow mentality. (Chinese were feng-shui superstitious about the world around them but failed to develop a sense of the sacredness of the Chinese soul.) Ideally, they’d like to be the Strong Horse and have others follow the Chinese. But if they can’t be the Strong Horse, they’d rather follow whatever happens to be the Strong Horse, even if not Chinese. Now, Chinese Culture, steeped in Confucian tradition, has a sense of goodness apart from power and wealth, but it’s mostly about manners than about ethno-spiritual identity, which is what Jews have. Manners are not strong enough to hold an identity together. If anything, it tends to divide a people along class lines: Snobs and slobs. Chinese also have Taoism, but it’s about man’s ego yielding to the Way. It is an emasculating kind of spirituality. If the Jewish Covenant concentrates the power of the universe in Jewish Identity as the Chosen of God, the creator and ruler of all, Taoism tends to dissolve Chinese ego in vague musings that are about as effective in the real world like Wing Chun is against Mixed Martial Arts in the ring.

    Because Jews have both Strong Horse Strategy and Sacred Cow Mentality, even their service to the goy Strong Horse eventually comes to serve the Jewish Identity, which is sacred to Jews. Also, Jews are BORN with the Covenant. In contrast, Confucian-based sense of the higher good isn’t something one is born with but must attain through education and refinement. Thus, it doesn’t apply to all Chinese. Also, this emphasis on education-as-the-path of respectability means that Chinese are molded by whomever is doing the educating. So, under the Old Order, they strove to be proper Confucians. Under Mao, they were fervent Maoists. And Chinese in the Current West become servile students of globo-homo, BLM nonsense, and Jew-worship, the new holy trinity of the West. Because their own identity isn’t prized as a sacred cow(like Jewish identity is for Jews who are steeped in Covenant Mentality), Chinese are likely to go along with whatever happens to be the Strong Horse.
    So, if Jews in disadvantageous positions may submit their bodies to the goy Strong Horse but never surrender their souls, Chinese will submit their bodies and surrender their souls to the Strong Horse even if it’s non-Chinese or even anti-Chinese. Look at all the Chinese cucks sucking up to the West in Hong Kong and Taiwan. They are like the worthless Poles who will gladly sell out Poland because they see the Jewish-run West as the Strong Horse.
    Though the first Chinese arrivals in the West might feel some loyalty to the Mother Country, their children are bound to be agents of Globo-Homo Central because their parents raise them to follow, obey, and serve the Strong Horse, which currently happens to be Jewish Power. (The Chinese sense of loyalty to family works only in close-knit local communities. In the mobile modern world, people need a powerful sense of ethnic solidarity or national identity to maintain a lasting sense of loyalty. But as East Asians favor class over race, they are more likely to betray their own kind for personal gain. In contrast, the Jewish Covenant is about race/blood than about class. A Jew, rich or poor, is equally holy within the Covenant.)
    As long as Jews control the West, Chinese and Asians in general will serve as anti-white agents to gain approval from their Jewish Masters. When White Christians controlled the West long ago, many Chinese in the West converted to Christianity and emulated white power. But as whites now cuck to Jews, Chinese in the West also cuck to Jews. And if Jews tell Chinese to be anti-white, Chinese will be anti-white. This is useful to Jews as they then go to whites and say, “Look at all those anti-white Chinese”, which makes whites bark at Chinese but never at the Jews who encourage anti-white attitude among Chinese(and other non-white groups).

    If Chinese were smarter, they would have pushed both the Strong Horse and the Sacred Cow strategies on the West, much like what the Jews did, especially after World War II. Jews used lots of dollars but also made Holocaust the center of Western Conscientiousness. As China had come under Western Aggression, the Chinese could have balanced Money Power with Moral Narrative of China’s humiliation at the hands of the West. Thus, Chinese Suffering might have gained a degree of Sacred Cow status.
    But, Chinese chose to morally target the Japanese, especially concerning the Nanking Massacre. Even Chinese in the West made more fuss about evil Japanese than about Western Aggression. Iris Chang in the US wrote a book about Japanese killing bushels of Chinese. And Jung Chang, married to some Briton and authoress of MAO, seems most hateful toward Mainland China than anything else. As such, the Chinese failed to play on the Chinese-victimhood-at-hands-of-whites card. And even the guilt-baiting of Japan didn’t work as Japan could rely on the West to back it up against China. In contrast, Germans can’t rely on the West to back it up against Jews because Jews control the West. When Chinese say to Japanese, “Japs no good”, the US will side with Japan against China. But when Jews say, “You Krauts suck”, the Jewish-ruled US will also tell Germans, “Yeah, you Krauts suck, so pony up and pay more shekels to Jews, or else!”

    Jews can use their Strong Horse to trample the West, but they are protected by the Sacred Cow of Shoah Narrative and ‘white guilt’ about Jews. In contrast, when Chinese use their Strong Horse of newly minted Money Power, they have no such recourse as there is zero guilt feeling about the Chinese in the West. Most people in the West know nothing of the tragic Chinese History of the past 200 yrs, and they’re more likely to think of Chinese as dog-eating & cat-boiling sadists who got whupped by ‘Japs’ who were then crushed by the Americans in the Good War. Since the US beat Japan that beat China, most Americans think Chinese owe everything to Americans. Americans overlook the part about how Europeans and Americans emboldened and built up Modern Japan and invited it into the Imperialist Club.

    It goes to show that Financial Currency isn’t enough. The Sacred Cow of Moral Currency is also crucial. There’s been some talk of the Euro, the Yuan, or the combination of Yuan and other currencies challenging the supremacy of the Dollar, but the Dollar is still supreme and will be for the foreseeable future. So, even nations with troubled relations with the US must accumulate dollars to do business around the world. They need dollars to buy oil and other essential goods and materials. This is a case of Strong Horse power. Money Supremacy by the US. But, financial power is not a Sacred Cow. So, even as people must take part in Dollar Domination, they can express resentment and denounce it as unfair and unjust.

    In contrast, the currency of Moral Supremacism has Sacred Cow power. It comes with taboos attached. Jews, as the master of the US, not only enjoy Dollar Supremacism over the world but, as the masters of media and academia, also enjoy the supremacy of their own chosen Moral Currency, which revolves around Sacred Jews, Holy Homos, and Magic Negroes. One reason why Jews seek to fill the world with Holocaust Narratives, Globo-Homo ‘pride’ parades, and BLM agit-prop is to unify the world under a single Moral Currency of Tri-Supremacism. This way, most people’s moral currencies(based on their own tragic narratives) don’t go very far, just like most local currencies have limited use value. Local currencies must be exchanged to dollars to have global worth. Likewise, local folks must obtain Tri-Supremacist moral-shekels to curry favor with the US Empire that rules the world. For instance, Armenians won’t get very far by bitching about victimhood under Turks and Azerbaijanis. They are better off putting on a ‘gay pride’ parade or putting up BLM signs. Or building a Holocaust Memorial even though Armenians had nothing to do with the Shoah. The fact is Armenians don’t matter much in the moral constellation orchestrated by Jews. Indeed, it was no problem for Obama to renege on the promise to acknowledge the Armenian Genocide just to maintain good relations between the US and Turkey. If any people want to gain ‘moral worth’, they are better off spouting off about the Holocaust, wonders of homosexuality, and how BLM is so important to them(even though they had nothing to do with the African Slave Trade) as those three obsessions have the most value as moral currency in the West controlled by Jews.
    Global Morality is really about the Imperialism of Western Consciousness and White Guilt. So, if the West feels special compassion or reverence for Jews, blacks, and homos, then the only way the rest of the world can earn moral credence is by earning ‘woke’ shekels minted on notions of Sacred Jews, Holy Homos, and Magic Negroes. Such shekels are to World Morality what the US Dollar is to World Currency.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accepted-stanford-after-writing-blacklivesmatter-100-times-application-n742586

    It’s like some Pakistani-American kid got admitted to an elite college by writing nothing but ‘Black Lives Matter’ a hundred times on the admissions essay. He didn’t write “Muslim Lives Matter” or “Pakistani Lives Matter”. Such wouldn’t have gotten far as Muslim or Pakistani identity doesn’t have much exchange value on the Moral Marketplace. But even if you’re not black, saying “black lives matter” can earn you some ‘moral’ credit. Likewise, white politicians get nowhere by extolling the tragic histories of the Irish, Polish, Italians, Latvians, or whatever. And one’s sure to go morally bankrupt if he dares to spout moral narratives about gentiles exploited by Jews or mass-killed by Jewish Bolsheviks.
    If white politicians want some ‘woke’ currency, the best bet is to gush about Jewish wonderfulness, ‘Muh Israel’, and, of course, the Holocaust as the worst thing that ever happened since the Big Bang. White Supremacism is out, but White SAPremacism is in. Whites must be saps before Jews and their chosen allies, homos and blacks. And this SAPremacism serves as the template for the rest of the world. So, if you want to make it as a Hindu or Chinese in the West, don’t bother talking about Hindu tragedy or Chinese suffering. They have little exchange value. You must trade the tragic narratives of your own folks with the Tri-Supremacist shekels of Jew-Negro-Homo or Jewgromo Worship. Whites must act like saps before Jews, blacks, and homos to climb the ladder, and the rest of the world has to emulate White Sappery. Look at those Asians in Canada speaking in black lingo and ‘attitude’ to gain moral currency. As they matter little as Asians, they go for black currency. And if they want to rise up in elite institutions, they feel obligated to pay respect to Jewish Tragedy and Homo wonderfulness because their own identities and narratives have little value in the Tri-Supremacist Moral Currency System.

  112. Wally says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    Giraldi said:

    “The first such George Floyd exhibit has opened within the Holocaust Memorial Resource & Education Center in Orlando, Florida. The intention of the exhibitors is not completely clear”

    Not completely clear? Seriously?

    First they get taxpayers cash for their fake & impossible “holocaust” crap.

    Secondly, by linking their primary scam to issues which ’embrace other ethnic groups / ‘minorities’ becomes another way to grab more funding from state & federal sources / taxpayers.

    Recall the Museums of Tolerance scam.
    Walk in and see a blizzard of fake and / or mislabeled “holocaust” propaganda ‘photos’, and then a picture of MLK off in some distant corner or room, and voila! More cash.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  113. Wally says:
    @WJ

    Yes, but remember, the absurd display of black physics professors & black astronomers, etc. in TV shows, ads, and PC movies are rarely aimed at blacks.

  114. AaronB says:

    Also, if it is only a question of power, I dont see how you can ever seize power from Jews.

    Once someone has the power, he can brainwash the population into believing anything. He is essentially unbeatable.

    You will never be able to mount a challenge. The Jews will simply brainwash the population against you, whatever you do or say, if you will even be allowed to speak at all.

    It’s entirely unclear how Jews seized power from White elites. Perhaps White elites were simply stupid. But now that its happened, I do not see how there is any going back.

    It seems like its a one time, final event. I suppose, you could always hope Jews relinquish power voluntarily, one day. Maybe they’ll get bored with it.

    This theory, does not hold out much hope.

    Now, if we are dealing with objective factors whose rules we could learn, like human nature, environment, religion, history, you might stand a chance of crafting an effective strategy. But in a world where power can just brainwash the people into anything, it seems like its a done deal.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  115. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    I’m just explaining what the Left thinks. You don’t have to agree with it, but it is helpful to understand it.

    Yes, the Left is against European native populations remaining the same.

    Partly, they think attachment to race and nation leads to war, which can get quite bad, as in the world wars. With nuclear weapons, they think it could destroy humanity.

    I dont think you understand what a shock world war one was to Europe.

    Secondly, the Left believes in an ever widening circle of allegiance, that eventually embraces all of mankind. To have narrow attachments, to nation or tribe, is to be morally primitive.

    To be honest, I’m sympathetic to that. I basically agree with it theoretically. Its a basically religious point of view, you find it in Buddhisn, in Christianity, etc, and the Leftist version today, is bound up with mans quest for finding moral meaning in the universe.

    Where I differ, is in two ways. It just doesn’t work for most of mankind, and nations are just practical. Secondly, I delight in the eccentric and the different, and dont believe that peace requires the obliteration of differences into a smoothed out sameness, in order to avoid war. I believe, rather in differences leading to an appreciation for the underlying unity of all life.

    But that would require a modified nationalism, because the traditional kind, was a competition between nations to impose their vision on everyone. I would craft a nationalism that delights in difference, which would reduce conflict.

    And I am against forcing humans to live by a plan.

    But it is important to understand the Left, to achieve your goals.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Malla
  116. @Priss Factor

    ‘…Compared to the Jews, Chinese are rank amateurs. Global Hillbillies really. Chinese made some serious money in the past two decades, and they are now going about it like the Japanese in the 1980s. They brazenly seek influence by throwing their money around…’

    Yeah — but there are a lot more Chinese than Jews.

    Also, while one may not like what they do, my impression at least is that they keep their word. So when it comes time to make a deal, who should we choose?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  117. @AaronB

    ‘…Also, if it is only a question of power, I dont see how you can ever seize power from Jews.

    Once someone has the power, he can brainwash the population into believing anything. He is essentially unbeatable…’

    Are you drawing this moral from the Seventeenth Century Ukraine, or from Weimar Germany? The Soviet Union?

    Maybe you figure you’ve really got a hammer lock on it all now. After all, all you need is American hegemony to last forever, and you’re set.

  118. @Colin Wright

    And who knows how many more delicious treats?

    My personal favorite:

    As someone who has Leftist tendencies myself, every few years I have to reacquaint myself with Muslim intransigence to understand what I am really up against.

    Anyone who hasn’t been here for awhile might need a brief primer on how Aaron presented himself here a few years ago: a man consistently critical of and embarrassed about the conduct of his people, sympathizing with Muslims who had to endure it. Contrary to what he writes above, there was no discernible vacillation between his liberal tolerance and Zionist conservatism.

    In other words, he’s just admitted that Act I of [email protected] was all a façade.

    Not that this is particularly surprising, of course.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  119. @Priss Factor

    Don’t always agree with your contributions–heck, I seldom even have time to read them in their entirety–but I can’t deny that they are typically compelling reading.

    Speaking of reading, I’ve been reading a lot of history lately of Europe and America during the so-called Edwardian Period, and I’ve found many examples of demonstrative Jewish breast-beating much like the demands they now make regarding Holocaust Worship. Back then it was the Pogroms in Russia or in fact any number of other events, real or imagined. The crux of the matter was what worked best, to induce in caucasian goyim a sense of guilt and indebtedness.

    Which is to say: there’s very little new under the sun.

  120. @AaronB

    ‘…To be honest…’

    Now, Aaron, you might as well write, ‘to be a bird and fly…’ You could no more be honest than you could leap off the ground and go twittering among the tree tops.

    You’re tediously, compulsively, invariably dishonest. If you ever do set down a true statement, it’s only so that it can serve as part of some larger lie. I mean, it’s really amazing. You’re unique, actually. There’s no one else here quite like you.

  121. @AaronB

    ‘…But they were very serious at Oslo. I remember how upset at the time I was when it seemed to me Israel might lose the wonderful hills of Judea and Samaria…’

    Now this is what I mean. The Oslo Accords were signed twenty seven years ago. You weren’t even alive at the time, much less upset about anything.

    You really can’t tell the truth, can you?

  122. @Wizard of Oz

    No, because I’ve purposely posted only apolitical people.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  123. BuelahMan says:

    Eliminate jewish power and influence by any means necessary for America (and the world) to stand a chance at survival.

  124. @AnonStarter

    Another beaut:

    It’s entirely unclear how Jews seized power from White elites.

    Peculiar statement, since he’s already given us his take on the matter:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/the-secret-of-identity-politics/#comment-1508195

    For the past few centuries Jews have wanted power more than anything else, but these things never last. Groups go through power hungry phases and then relax as the sacrifices for power begin to seem pointless and too great. So called Jewish tactics are the tactics any group or person that wants power has to use to get it. … A group in its power hungry phase will always win over a group that balances other values with power, even if it’s less talented (and I consider Jews the less talented group because of sheer numbers, but the more power hungry).

    https://www.unz.com/article/opioids-and-the-crisis-of-the-white-working-class/#comment-2132130

    The Jewish role is to exploit, amplify, and expand preexisting weaknesses of European culture.

    As someone who grew up reading the European classics and who was steeped in Western culture, it’s painfully obvious to me that Jews have not added anything substantially new.

    It’s hugely important to recognize and combat Jewish activity, and that’s an indispensable step back towards mental health.

    Lol

    • Thanks: L.K
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    , @L.K
  125. @Bardon Kaldian

    Was Yehudi Menuhin [Autofill defeated this time I trust] political?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  126. geokat62 says:

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  127. @Colin Wright

    Do you make a distinction between “keeping their word” and obeying the rules e.g of the WTO or protection of IP?

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  128. @geokat62

    Thanks George. I am at a loss to understand how these things get posted under my name. I do not use twitter…

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Wizard of Oz
  129. geokat62 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    I do not use twitter…

    I had no idea, Phil. But now that you mention it, I revisited the Twitter account that I’m following and it doesn’t have the blue check mark next to your name. Someone had decided to post tweets using your picture and name. Pretty scummy. I just unfollowed the account.

    Thanks for the heads up!

  130. geokat62 says:

  131. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Do you make a distinction between “keeping their word” and obeying the rules e.g of the WTO or protection of IP?’

    I do.

  132. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    You can creatively build your identity in a way that avoids pitfalls by reimagining what it means to be German.

    The official position today in Germany is pretty much that Germans don’t exist as an ethnic or cultural group and that “Germanness” has to be a purely civic identity defined by nebulous liberal values (immigrants who don’t adhere to those values aren’t sanctioned however, nor do they have to give up their own collective identities). It’s clear that the establishment has no intention of ever compromising on this issue, instead the next government (likely to be a Christian Democrat-Greens coalition) will in all likelihood accelerate the de-Germanization of Germany by throwing the doors even more open, maybe even define Germany as a “country of immigration” in the basic law (making mass immigration a constitutional goal). The situation is similar in much of Western Europe.
    Your analysis is far removed from realities in Europe. I don’t know if this due to genuine ignorance or whether you’re just trolling me. Since you obviously do get nationalist sentiment on a visceral level (you go on about the “wonderful hills of Judaea and Samaria” after all, so obviously you think Jews have a claim to them based on ancient history of 2000 years ago), the latter possibility can’t be excluded imo.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @AaronB
  133. @Wizard of Oz

    You’re right, I’ve confused him with his son.

  134. geokat62 says:
    @German_reader

    I don’t know if this due to genuine ignorance or whether you’re just trolling me.

    Um, Monty… I’ll go with what’s behind door #2!

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  135. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Oh, I definitely get nationalism on a visceral level. Its a very basic, human thing, local attachments. I understand right wingers because there is a part of me that is very, very right wing. At the same time, I also see the appeal of universalism, and there is a part of me that is very left wing.

    You probably remember what I used to be like a few years ago on this site, and how different I am today.

    More and more, I am beginning to see that every position has some truth to it, and instead of vacillating between positions, more and more I am trying to see what is right in each position and how they can be integrated. The sickness of the human mind, is choice.

    As a German, this kind if dialectical thinking has deep roots in your tradition, so maybe you can be sympathetic to it. Hegel said its childish to see whats wrong in a position, but a mature man tries to see what is correct in it. Jung wrote against one sidedness, also.

    In the end, its up to you guys to figure it out, and its fine if you dont see any merit in my suggestions. I personally am not against a moderate European nationalism that isn’t aggressively racialist, and I think there can be a healthy nationalism and localism, that will inevitably emerge out of the clashes between extremes.

    While nationalism can lead to conflict, so can universalism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  136. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    Sigh.

    This is obviously true.

    It’s also very George Orwell “1984” – to hold two completely contradictory beliefs in your head at the same time but make them go together by sheer brutal force, like forcing a square peg through a round hole by hammering the peg over and over again.

    American Jews hold these two diametrically opposed sets of beliefs:

    The United States and all remaining White Europe majority nations, societies, neighborhoods, schools MUST, MUST be forced to be multi cultural, to welcome mass migration, mass Islamic immigration

    And

    Israel must be a Jewish ethno state expanding in to Palestinian territories.

    It’s very similar to this:

    America Jews are the loudest and largest $ contributors to all causes demanding race mixing, universal equality of outcome for all races and American Jews lead, $ fund all anti White racialist causes (White) Racism is the world’s great sin and….

    The Jews are God’s Chosen People

    American Jews don’t see any contradiction. Just as American Jews will demand that all laws and customs against the worst forms of hard core pornography must be abolished everywhere because of extreme interpretations of free speech, the 1st Amendment

    And

    Need draconian Hate Crime/Though Crime laws persecuting anybody that says or thinks anything the Jews don’t like such as historical research on the alleged 6 Million Gassed Jews Holocaust.

  137. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    I personally am not against a moderate European nationalism that isn’t aggressively racialist

    “moderate” and “aggressively racialist” are open to interpretation.
    I’d actually even agree that nationalists should beware of becoming total Nazis, certainly there’s a potential danger of going too far. This potentiality however is merely a very remote possibility now, whereas there’s the very real reality of an out-of-control universalism that is in control of all major Western countries, pushing policies that will reduce white Europeans to minorities in their former countries and criminalizing all dissent against those policies (even avowedly non-violent dissent seeking to play by the formal rules of the system). And while excessive generalizations should of course be avoided, in general Jewish organizations support those policies, indeed have often played an important rule in their genesis.
    So I think your recommendations might be somewhat misplaced. You should think more about the evils of the ruling ideology, and about the frequently dubious role played by your most influential co-religionists.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  138. @Moi

    For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. And it’s represented in Knesset West–I’m sorry, Congress–by 535 members. . . .

    • Replies: @geokat62
  139. Malla says:
    @Priss Factor

    Great comment. ((Media power)). Media and literature controls data entering the mind and thus beliefs, emotions and thoughts. Beliefs, emotions and thoughts affect actions. Thus indirectly you control large number of goyim. Pen being mightier than the sword. With skillful pen, you can make a million men take up the sword and march (to bomb Germany, Japan, Yugoslavia or Iraq/ march for BLM/anti-apartheid etc…). Control media, tell people what to think, control the historical narrative, control what people are supposed to believe/think/emote about any subject etc… and you got slaves.
    West could have been great, it has turned into a shithole and a lot of it has to do with its abnormal, inverted (ugly is beautiful, beautiful is ugly/ invert nature etc…) shit media.

    • Agree: geokat62
  140. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Ok, but what kind of nationalism can I show Jews, or any liberals, when I am making the case that nationalism can be a healthy, positive phenomena?

    Should I tell them to come read Unz? Most nationalists on Unz are exactly the kind of thing liberals are rightly afraid of.

    As long as the average quality and mentality of the Unz reader represents Western nationalism, there can be no conversation. If I wanted to show anyone the dangers of nationalism, I would tell them to read Unz. There is a reason this site is not shut down – it is a cautionary tale for normies.

    That’s why I was suggesting you need to craft a better nationalism. To which you responded that any expression of nationalism is suppressed by the establishment.

    To which I would reply, yes, even moderate versions of old style nationalism will be suppressed. I just don’t think you can return to that anymore. History rhymes, but doesn’t exactly repeat. A nationalism 2.0 that incorporates elements of universalism.

    If you’re telling me Muslims, Jews, and Blacks can’t reach high positions in your society and be considered fully German, that’s problematic. If you tell me they can, but the Christian White core is favored in some way (as with Israel), I think you might be on to something.

    To be honest, it now seems to me that you want a return to old style nationalism, and to be fair, I have no advice on how to reach that because I think that’s no longer possible. If anyone disagrees with me, they are free to try.

    I was suggesting you abandon old style nationalism in favor of an updated, hybrid. You give up the old dream for what is possible in our time. Jewish nationalism, as I pointed out, is in many ways a more relaxed and less exclusive nationalism.

    Jewish groups are liberal, no more so than any group with the same IQ. If liberals are pushing for universalism, its because they don’t see too many examples of benign, inclusive nationalism that is a little bit universalistic, in the West.

    Yes, liberal universalism itself leads to conflict and repression, which I oppose, but I have no alternatives to show liberals, because no one on the right wants to embrace moderate nationalism.

    Maybe, there’s nothing any of us can do, and the fight just has to exhaust itself, and people are willing to settle their differences after a while. Tbat usually happens after bloodshed.

    Who says history can be consciously directed.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @German_reader
  141. anonymous[400] • Disclaimer says:

    The basic problem is that American politicians are in it for the money and perks. With some exceptions they have no belief, no principles besides that of self-aggrandisement. They’re for sale to anyone, not just to Israel but anyone waving a bag of money under their nose. They have no loyalty to anyone, especially not to the dupes voting for them. Countries like Turkey and China have also been at the auction block. The political class is crooked, deceptive and degenerate.

  142. L.K says:
    @AnonStarter

    As both of us know, this AaronB scumbag is just another typical Zionist Troll and sad little LIAR, spamming this thread with Zionist propaganda and falsehoods about the Palestinians and more…

    As you said, not really surprising.

    What gives AaronB and his ilk fear is what John Mearsheimer, University of Chicago professor and coauthor of “The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy”, describes as:
    The Inevitability of the One State Solution. Prof. Mearsheimer starts his speech at around 2:30, well worth listening to it.

    Once the Zionist project in Palestine ends, life will eventually improve for the long abused Palestinian people, for the Mid East in general, and it will also be a positive outcome for the world in general, and the West in particular.

    As Giraldi and others have made clear for anyone willing to see, there is a decisive Zionist-Jewish element driving nearly all these wars and regime change operations in the greater ME.
    Besides squandered lives, treasure and the environment, there is also the risk of even a much more devastating war, such as with Iran, as well as the possibility of Great powers coming into direct armed confrontation, such as the risks we have observed in Syria, another Zionist sponsored war project. Not to mention all of them refugees from conflict areas ending up in Europe.
    I dream of the day Zionist “Israel” bites the dust and goes into the dustbin of history.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  143. geokat62 says:
    @Orville H. Larson

    Rumour has it the Zionist Project was once offered the opportunity to join the Union and become the 51st state. But they rejected it on the following grounds…

    “Why should we settle for two senators when we currently have 100?”

  144. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    Should I tell them to come read Unz? Most nationalists on Unz are exactly the kind of thing liberals are rightly afraid of.

    As long as the average quality and mentality of the Unz reader represents Western nationalism, there can be no conversation. If I wanted to show anyone the dangers of nationalism, I would tell them to read Unz. There is a reason this site is not shut down – it is a cautionary tale for normies.

    Unz Review will show normies the dangers of nationalism? You and I both know that Eretz Yisrael is doing way more harm to nationalism’s good name than any article on the Unz Review could ever do.

  145. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    Should I tell them to come read Unz? Most nationalists on Unz are exactly the kind of thing liberals are rightly afraid of.

    Unz review isn’t really a nationalist site, it’s primarily an antisemitic site. Obviously there’s overlap, but UR isn’t representative of any major nationalist movements.

    If you’re telling me Muslims, Jews, and Blacks can’t reach high positions in your society and be considered fully German, that’s problematic.

    I think you’re being really disingenuous here, e.g. see this:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/
    Obviously a substantial part of Jewish Israelis considers Muslim citizens to be a potential fifth column and would like to remove them. And while it’s true that Muslims in Israel have certain political rights (very generous, considering they’re descended from the original pre-1948 population…), the Arab parties have been traditionally excluded from government because of the Zionist consensus that Israel should be a state primarily for Jews, who are a group defined by descent, culture and religion, not by liberal values everyone can adopt.
    Given that background, how should one interpret your insistence that I should regard Muslims, Jews and Blacks in Germany, who are mostly very recent immigrants with roots in the country going back no more than a few decades at most, as “fully German”? That might be possible for people of mixed ancestry or people who’ve radically assimilated, but as a general principle it would make “nationalism” completely pointless. You really shouldn’t be surprised that views such as yours will be widely regarded as a sign of double standards and manifest hypocrisy.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  146. L.K says:
    @AnonStarter

    Lebanese Hezbollah are also responsible for giving goosebumps to the cowardly Jews, not so much shills like AaronB, who is an “American” citizen with “israeli citizenship”, but those who actually live in Israel.
    The Zionists are fond of having their “wars” against those unable to fight back.
    No wonder they are, through their vassal, the ZUSA, trying as hard as they can to squeeze Iran, destroy Syria, and cause economic and political crisis in Lebanon. Unable to defeat Hezbollah on the battlefields, the Zionists continue in their failed efforts to cut Hezbollah off from its weapons and munition supplies and to provoke a civil war in Lebanon. So far they have failed.

    “From the North, Disaster Will Be Poured out on All who Live in [Israel]”

  147. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Its true that Unz is primarily an antisemitic site, and a site that promotes general racial hatred. and is not representative of Western nationalism as a whole.

    It doesn’t matter so much what Israeli “deplorables” think – its understood that the hoi polloi will always be retrograde. Plus there is quite literally a war going on, which is a mitigating factor.

    What matters is how the elite, defines the movement.

    Arab political parties in Israel were traditionally anti-Zionist and pro-Palestinian, celebrating deaths of Israeli soldiers, cheering terrorist, etc. That is why they were seldom invited to be part of any government. In this context, its remarkable they were even allowed to be in office.

    This is changing lately, and Arabs are even volunteering for the army in greater numbers. But again the situation does not fit into clear categories. An Arab druze is the general commanding Israel’s most beloved and popular “salt of the earth” infantry brigade, that is seen as representative of the “people”. The recent botched undercover raid in Gaza by an elite unit, in which 5 hamas men and the Israeli commander were killed – the Israeli commander was an Arab druze.

    Arabs are judges, professors, ceos, doctors on top hospitals. The situation is – Byzantine. It does not fit into neat European categories.

    That might be possible for people of mixed ancestry or people who’ve radically assimilated, but as a general principle it would make “nationalism” completely pointless.

    I think you are being too rigid here. As long as these people are kept to a minority, it shouldn’t be a problem. Why stand on principle? “Fudge” a little, be a little inconsistent, dont entirely make sense. Be a bit ambiguous. Break your own rules. Have rules, but don’t stick to them completely. Its a small price to pay.

    It may be, this is culturally impossible for a northern European. I dont know. An Italian would understand.

    You really shouldn’t be surprised that views such as yours will be widely regarded as a sign of double standards and manifest hypocrisy.

    You may disagree with me, but I am suggesting for you exactly what Israel has, so I dont see how you can accuse me of hypocrisy. I have been using Israel as a template this whole time.

    Anyways, you are certainly free not to be convinced of my ideas. I’m just offering them for what their worth. If you dont like them, that’s fine too.

    It seems to me, that Jewish nationalism has features that make it very different from what you’re suggesting, and that make it more acceptable. But if you think its just Jewish ownership of the media or whatever, then you’re entitled to your opinion.

  148. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    I think you are being too rigid here. As long as these people are kept to a minority

    They aren’t being kept to a minority, most major German cities (at least in the west of the country) will flip to being majority non-German within the next 10-15 years, and the de facto open borders policy pursued by the current government will bring about such a situation for the entire country. Given the underlying demographics meaningful assimilation is impossible, it’s a fundamental change. You’re also completely missing the ethnocentrism and nationalism of important immigrant communities (maybe not surprising for a Jew). There are hundreds of thousands of Turks in Germany, many with German citizenship, who are fervent Erdogan supporters, celebrate the recent victory of Turkdom over Armenia etc., yet play the Nazi card against ethnic Germans whenever it’s convenient. Do you really want to tell me such people have any interest in being “fully German” (apart from grabbing all the benefits German citizenship gets them) if it weren’t for evil white racists like me?

    An Italian would understand.

    Nonsense, if anything Italy is one of the more nationalist and “racist” European countries outside of the former Eastern bloc.

    You may disagree with me, but I am suggesting for you exactly what Israel has

    Oh, I’d be very glad about having what Israel has, that is a conscious population policy designed to maintain the collective interests of my ethnic group. No need to go full Nazi in that case. But as I’ve tried to get across to you during our entire discussion, something like this isn’t offered by the establishment (which is instead implementing an opposed population policy, almost designed to dismantle the nation in record speed), and your recommendations are unlikely to help people like me getting it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  149. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Oh, I’d be very glad about having what Israel has, that is a conscious population policy designed to maintain the collective interests of my ethnic group. No need to go full Nazi in that case. But as I’ve tried to get across to you during our entire discussion, something like this isn’t offered by the establishment (which is instead implementing an opposed population policy, almost designed to dismantle the nation in record speed), and your recommendations are unlikely to help people like me getting it.

    At the end of the day, the fact that Israeli nationalism incorporates many Left wing features, may not be a useful blueprint for Germany.

    Israel has certain rhetorical advantages that simply may not be available to Germany at this historical juncture; it can portray itself as a “safe haven” for a persecuted minority, as an essentially defensive endeavor. Jewish nationalism, moreover, has no bad history.

    I think you have a very real problem; when Europe was last nationalist, it was aggressive, it conquered other nations, and it persecuted its minorities. In the end, it led to two devastating world wars and a near genocide. In America, there was slavery.

    This isn’t to say that Israeli nationalism today, doesn’t also suffer from an image problem. Its just way less serious. I think any honest person has to admit that.

    This is a serious problem to overcome. I personally do not think that this must be the nationalist template for Europe.

    But, how to portray European nationalism today, as essentially benign, as motivated by positive attitudes?

    An Israeli nationalist can say, we merely want a safe haven from centuries of persecution and a near genocide, on a limited peace of land. No world conquest for us. A quarter of our population are Arab, a group that is warring against us, yet we still give them full rights, and they achieve high political and social positions. While the state is for Jews, Jews come from many different races and cultures, blacks, browns, whites, etc. We even airlifted Jewish Blacks into Israel, at considerable risk and expense. Our Christian and Muslim minorities are given full protections and rights. We are a liberal democracy, while our foes are patriarchal and authoritarian. Women are given full rights, and feminism is taken seriously. Homosexuals are free and protected and treated well.

    Now, much of this may perhaps be disputed, and has been, and of course there is the perception of being an extremely strong modern military oppressing Palestinians with primitive, basic weaponry and often unarmed. For the Left, that is a very bad look and Israel’s chief rhetorical weakness.

    But there is enough plausibility on the positive side of the ledger, to mount an effective defense.

    What would be an effective rhetorical defense of Eutopean nationalism, that can overcome its grim past, and present it as “good”? I dont know yet.

    But I think you have to find it. And I doubt the old racial nationalism, will ever work.

    In the end, the situation will probably resolve itself. The anti-White stuff, will go too far, and Europeans will legitimately be able to present themselves as having suffered enough, and to be victims.

    It don’t be a return to the old racial nationalism, I dont think, but it will be a kind of nationalism.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  150. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    Jewish nationalism, moreover, has no bad history.

    Zionism is far from an innocent ideology at this point. Its basic objective could never have been realistically achieved without dispossession and expulsion of many of the natives in the area Zionists wanted to settle, and that’s exactly what has happened. Zionists employed terrorist methods like political assassinations, car bombings (e.g. King David hotel) and even massacres (Deir Yasin) in the 1940s, and arguably Israel as a state has continued that tradition (e.g. some time ago it was revealed that in the early 1980s Israeli intelligence created a fake terrorist group which killed large numbers of civilians in Lebanon through car bombings). Israel has also been responsible for the deaths of large numbers of Arab civilians, in situations which could be seen as war crimes or at the very least as wildly disproportionate use of force.
    I’ll grant that Zionism’s record isn’t exceptionally bad by world historical standards, and obviously it hasn’t nearly been as destructive as German nationalism in the 20th century (but who knows, given Israel’s nuclear weapons, it might yet happen). But it’s hardly morally superior per se to other nationalisms. You’re blinded by your bias imo.

    And I doubt the old racial nationalism, will ever work.

    I don’t think I’ve even advocated explicit “racial nationalism”, in the sense of measuring skulls or trying to promote a certain racial type. However any nationalism will of course attach significant importance to descent, because it’s usually the basis for identity. That doesn’t mean assimilation and integration of foreigners is completely impossible, but it has obvious implications for immigration policy (restriction of numbers, culturally and ethnically close immigrants who can be easily integrated and won’t form parallel societies to be preferred).
    If you’re arguing that descent and identity shouldn’t matter at all, you’re opposed to nationalism per se, but then you’d also have to regard the idea of a Jewish state as illegitimate.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  151. @L.K

    As Giraldi and others have made clear for anyone willing to see, there is a decisive Zionist-Jewish element driving nearly all these wars and regime change operations in the greater ME.
    Besides squandered lives, treasure and the environment, there is also the risk of even a much more devastating war, such as with Iran, as well as the possibility of Great powers coming into direct armed confrontation, such as the risks we have observed in Syria, another Zionist sponsored war project. Not to mention all of them refugees from conflict areas ending up in Europe.

    Indeed, it’s all been well established beyond doubt: Israel is responsible for this and much more.

    It’s important to place Israel in its proper context:

    In Palestine, Israel is a nation established as a result of its aggression, an aggression that did not begin in 1947, or even the late nineteenth century, but far earlier, however dormant the ambition may have remained for centuries. It’s the product of a particular variety of Jewish Manifest Destiny, the seeds of which were sown many moons before the modern era, among the fertile ground of Talmudic dogma.

    Interestingly, most Jews rejected the notion of becoming instruments by which to compel the realization of messianic prophecy. Yet without a Talmudic rationale, Zionism would not have gained what support it had received from Jews. Secular though its veneer may be, its essence is inescapably religious. From Ben-Gurion to Begin to Weizmann, not a single Zionist failed to invoke Scripture in justifying Israel’s misdeeds.

    And this is the element that white nationalists typically lack: religion. Theirs is a nationalism born strictly of shared genetics and common heritage, one in which cause for cohesion certainly exists, though not to the extent that it does among those who share a common faith. Here is the foundation lending strength to Israel, whatever one may think of it. It binds Jews together by common objectives that can only be met by unflagging, transcendent solidarity and brotherhood. Such qualities allow a minority to prevail over much larger populations.

    Jews aspired to the Promised Land well before the twentieth century. It’s taken them over two millennia to acquire what they have, and they certainly have no intention of resting on their laurels. In ’48, it was compelled to absorb Arabs among it, as a bloodbath of that size would have been a PR nightmare. That is all the Arabs on Israel’s side of the wire are: a PR concern. This is why such effort has been expended to whitewash systemic discrimination and prop up a Potemkin image of Israel.

    But the elephant in the room is not the Arabs of Israel, no. It’s the Palestinians of Gaza and the West Bank. Israel continues to wage war against them, however high- or low-intensity. It remains a war of attrition, one Israel fights to incrementally expand its terrain, inching gradually toward the greater goal of the Promised Land. Israel’s aggression has been established by legal conventions to which most nations on earth are signatories, and it is because none of these nations act to affect compliance with these conventions that the BDS movement was created.

    BDS is merely an effort to get Israel to comply with international law. If Israel has the chutzpah to consider this an “act of war,” then logically, Israel, not BDS, is the outlaw.

    Israel’s war against BDS sends a signal that it cannot tolerate even non-violent resistance to its criminal policies, inviting even greater militancy against it.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Jila
  152. @German_reader

    Unz review isn’t really a nationalist site, it’s primarily an antisemitic site.

    While it does attract its fair share of it, I’d say that the anti-Semitism which exists here is merely the corollary to Jewish extremism in relation to media and educational censorship, as well as political and financial impositions.

    Simply to acknowledge Jewish influence in these spheres is now considered “anti-Semitism,” a stigma that engenders further hostility toward Jews. It seems that, consciously or otherwise, a few Gentiles here would have us imagine that sustained focus upon these topics is tantamount to anti-Semitism, but in reality, such focus is more easily explained by the Forbidden Fruit Syndrome: if you prohibit it, it will be coveted.

    That has nothing to do with anti-Semitism per se and everything to do with Jewish efforts to suppress free speech.

  153. @AaronB

    ‘Its true that Unz is primarily an antisemitic site…’

    One glance at the article titles and even a casual count of the posts immediately demonstrates that your claim reveals more about you than it does about Unz Review.

    It may well be an antisemitic site; it is obviously not primarily an antisemitic site.

    Two things Jews and antisemites share in common. The first is that they insist Jews are a race. The second is that they think everything is entirely about Jews.

  154. geokat62 says:

    That didn’t take long…

  155. Wielgus says:
    @mark green

    Yet Israel had good relations with apartheid South Africa. Not least in weapons technology. For example, the South Africans had the Galil assault rifle and still have it after apartheid, and there are other examples of their cooperation I probably don’t know about.

  156. @AnonStarter

    ‘…Interestingly, most Jews rejected the notion of becoming instruments by which to compel the realization of messianic prophecy. Yet without a Talmudic rationale, Zionism would not have gained what support it had received from Jews. Secular though its veneer may be, its essence is inescapably religious. From Ben-Gurion to Begin to Weizmann, not a single Zionist failed to invoke Scripture in justifying Israel’s misdeeds…’

    Here, to be fair, one has to realize that until rather recently, it was commonly accepted that (a), most Jews could trace their ancestry to Biblical Palestine (b), the Old Testament more or less recounted historical events, and (c), the Jews had been expelled from Palestine by the Romans. So a Zionist could be secular, an atheist even, and still conceive himself to have a ‘right’ to Palestine. It was the Jewish homeland from which they had been driven.

    At this point, all of that has been largely or entirely discredited — or would be discredited, except that of course the Zionists still need it to be so. Absent it, their sole claim to Palestine would be purely religious.

    …which might work, except that in that case, they’d have to share with a couple of billion people of Christian background and a couple of billion people of Muslim background. After all, why should a non-practicing Jew have any more of Palestine than me, as a non-practicing Christian — heck, you, as a practicing Muslim, would rate a double share or something. So shared with four billion other claimants, the eighteen million Jews would rate about, what, a five hundred acre share of the Holy Land?

    Or the Zionists could just admit that Palestine really should just be left to the people who have more or less always lived there — i.e., the Palestinians. Or they could abide by their successive declarations and promises dating back to Chaim Weizmann’s assurances to all and sundry that ‘a Jewish National Home’ would never be construed to mean an independent state. No sir. Perish the thought.

    But of course none of that will really work either. And that’s the thing: Israel is one of the most perfectly indefensible entities in existence in the world today. It’s not like, say, China. People can come up with lots of mean things to say about China. But it’s pretty hard to argue that the Chinese don’t have a good claim to at least an awful lot of it.

    Hence all the desperate attempts at censorship. People mustn’t be allowed to point out that the emperor has no clothes.

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  157. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Zionism is far from an innocent ideology at this point. Its basic objective could never have been realistically achieved without dispossession and expulsion of many of the natives in the area Zionists wanted to settle, and that’s exactly what has happened. Zionists employed terrorist methods like political assassinations, car bombings (e.g. King David hotel) and even massacres (Deir Yasin) in the 1940s,

    I would submit, that you know this isn’t true, and are saying this for emotional reasons. There has been an attempt for the past 70 years, to portray Israel in this fashion, and it simply hasn’t stuck, because it is too at odds with facts on the ground.

    I have always felt, that a big reason for the truly strange European support for the Palestinians, which has mischievously kept the conflict alive, was because of guilt for the Holocaust.

    You desperately want to say, wer’e as bad as you. But we’re not even close.

    It seems to me, that instead of being willing to learn, you are competitive and defensive. That just means you’re not ready yet. Its Muslim-tier loser attitude, and helps me to understand, why you nationalists are not getting off the ground.

    Its not time yet, and you prefer emotional consolation, to hard and painful self scrutiny, and correcting mistakes. This is a Muslim-tier mistake, but just means, you aren’t ready for success yet. A few more decades of being losers howling in the wilderness.

    So be it. Eventually, you’ll get there. Its just not time yet. Islam is in terminal decline, but I think you guys will eventually find your way out. Only now, you are too defensive, and unwilling to learn.

    If you’re arguing that descent and identity shouldn’t matter at all, you’re opposed to nationalism per se, but then you’d also have to regard the idea of a Jewish state as illegitimate

    .

    Of course descent is important. You just have to compromise and fudge a bit, you cant be a maximalist on this.

    I get the sense, that you still think in rigid categories, and lack the mental flexibility needed for success.

    Unfortunately I can’t help you, and it just means you guys aren’t ready yet.

    Thanks for the conversation. I understand why European nationalists are not for the moment having greater success.

    You’ll eventually get there, but it is clear to me now is not the time.

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  158. @chuckywiz

    You can’t choke somebody by kneeling on the side of his neck. The Israeli control technique is safe unless you’re as poorly coordinated as I am and might cut off the blood supply to the brain. I think you’d need pressure just under the ear to do that. [email protected]

  159. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    I would submit, that you know this isn’t true, and are saying this for emotional reasons.

    Everything I wrote in my previous comment is factual and you haven’t refuted it, instead you’re resorting to silly ad hominems and the usual attempts to psychologize your interlocutors because you don’t have any factual arguments yourself. I even explicitly stated that by world historical standards Zionism’s record isn’t exceptionally bad; certainly a certain kind of criticism of Israel (e.g. comparisons with Nazism) is hyperbolic and at least for now unjustified. But your claim that Zionism is somehow a uniquely pure and morally uncompromised nationalism compared to all European ones isn’t credible. It’s you who’s arguing out of emotional reasons, out of ethno-narcissism and a refusal of even the slightest bit of self-criticism.
    A rather pointless discussion, which I probably shouldn’t have wasted time on.

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  160. @Colin Wright

    Hence all the desperate attempts at censorship. People mustn’t be allowed to point out that the emperor has no clothes.

    We should also note that Israel forced itself upon the world after WWII, the events of which have been weaponized to justify its land theft ever since.

    I’m usually not one to wade into the debate on what happened then, but I’d say that the laws on the books in Europe provide further strength to Mr. Giraldi’s point about the hypocrisy inherent to Zionist liberalism.

    As for Palestine, every nation that exercised administration over it after WWI — including Israel — has acknowledged the applicability of the Ottoman Land Code as the legal vehicle by which to determine land ownership. It’s a means of potential conflict resolution but for Israel’s bad faith application thereof:

    https://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201203_under_the_guise_of_legality

    77% of the towns and villages from which Palestinians were driven could be returned to them but for the recalcitrance of Israel:

  161. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Not ad hominems, but I did resort to psychology, because I felt you were refusing to accept a critical point.

    Its not that Jewish nationalism is pure, it too has its sins. Humans are humans, snd any large collective endeavor will have its bad actors. And I note that you admit its not especially bad by world standards.

    My thesis is, that Jewish nationalism is significantly different from historical European nationalism in certain specific ways, both in philosophy and implementation. And it lacks the same historical baggage.

    This to me is crucial in understanding why it hasn’t been treated as harshly, although it is still controversial. Its a sensitive point to discuss with a European nationalist, because there is a temptation to become defensive.

    I could argue your points. Deir Yassin is one incident by a rogue group in an unchosen war of survival, etc, etc. And I concede that Jewish nationalism has its atrocities and sins. But up to this point, I felt I presented substantive evidence of how Israel represents a fundamentally different kind of nationalism, and I felt you unreasonably refused to accept any of it, to the point where our differences were too big to bridge.

    Anyways, for me it was a useful conversation because it helped me understand more where, in my opinion, European nationalists are going wrong.

    And believe it or not, I am highly sympathetic to European nationalists, and think – in modified form and breaking with their historical form – they are the inevitable wave of the future.

  162. AaronB says:

    I want to clarify what I meant when I said Islam is in terminal decline.

    Militant, intransigent Islamic nationalism, conflict prone, and unable to accept the existence of tiny Israel, has no future in the modern world. It will exist, if at all, in desert hinterlands, occasionally coming to the attention of the world through some pointless terrorist attack.

    Like European nationalism, militant Islam of the old style is no longer viable. But in modified form, an attractive and appealing form of Islam, not based on conflict, will, in my opinion, certainly exist.

    The world wants to avoid those old destructive conflicts, and until nationalists understand that, I dont think they will escape their fringe status. Chinese nationalism is once again the worlds source of conflict. But I do think a new, gentler nationalism is being created. History doesn’t repeat, but it rhymes.

    Jewish nationalism will also become gentler, as the Arabs settle down.

  163. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    This to me is crucial in understanding why it hasn’t been treated as harshly

    Israel has traditionally been cut some slack because of the Holocaust and a widespread perception that Jews should at least have one state where they’re the majority (something which in principle even I would support btw). However that pro-Israel consensus has already been severely eroded (and imo is likely to be eroded even more), because a) Zionists are overplaying their hand and have become utterly shameless with their blatant machinations (attempts to criminalize BDS in Western countries, the push for confrontation – possibly even war – with Iran, settlements policy, buying influence with rotten politicians like Trump), b) the nation state principle is increasingly seen as illegitimate in Western countries because of mass immigration and multiculturalist policies, ironically enough often supported by Jewish organizations whose proponents seem to believe no one will notice their double standards (they’re wrong about that).

    But up to this point, I felt I presented substantive evidence of how Israel represents a fundamentally different kind of nationalism, and I felt you unreasonably refused to accept any of it

    imo your description of Israel is a sanitized public relations version. I’ll accept that a lot of people in the alt-right and similar movements have a somewhat flawed view of Israel, imagining it to be some sort of Jewish Nazism, which may be just projection of their own desires. But I reject the argument that Zionism is somehow categorically different from all European nationalisms. It may have some special features, but in its origins it was just another 19th century nationalist movement for a stateless people (e.g. similar to the Poles or Irish, though obviously somewhat different in its extra-European focus).
    And I don’t think I have “unreasonably” rejected your points, imo you simply refuse to grapple with the realities European nationalists are facing.

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  164. @AaronB

    ‘…And believe it or not, I am highly sympathetic to European nationalists, and think – in modified form and breaking with their historical form – they are the inevitable wave of the future.’

    By that, you mean you hope to deceive and manipulate them so that they can be put to use serving your own ends.

    …we need an ‘Aaron/English Dictionary.’

    • LOL: AnonStarter
  165. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    I’m just explaining what the Left thinks. You don’t have to agree with it, but it is helpful to understand it.

    Dude, you do not have to explain to me how the left thinks to me, I am an ex-leftist. Leftism is fake, brainwashed by the media dominated by leftist thoughts owned primarily by a particular tribe. The Left is inconsistent with reality, it took me years to deprogram, I still l am deprogramming.
    Secondly the fake Holohoax does not give Israel the right to ruthlessly treat the Palestinians. That is not acceptable under any logic.

  166. @German_reader

    ‘…I’ll accept that a lot of people in the alt-right and similar movements have a somewhat flawed view of Israel, imagining it to be some sort of Jewish Nazism, which may be just projection of their own desires…’

    Speaking for myself, I think the parallels are overwhelming. Expressed in abstract terms, Zionism and Nazism are virtually indistinguishable. I really mean that — not as a rhetorical device, but as a serious paradigm for intellectual analysis.

    Put it this way. Viewed abstractly, in what significant way would you say Zionism and Nazism differ?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
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  167. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    Its true that Unz is primarily an antisemitic site, and a site that promotes general racial hatred.

    Idiotic statement. Unz.com is a place where topics are discussed, topics excluded by the controlled propaganda stream called the “mainstream media”. Unz.com may seem “antisemitic” primarily because any discussions w.r.t Jews and their affects on society are not allowed in the media of the so called “free west”.
    Just recently I was seeing this Indian video where a Muslims was asked about the recent France and macron case. The reporter was talking about how in France there is”freedom of speech” where a person has the right to say what they please about Islam or prophet Mohammed. One Muslim Imam replied, Frances’ “freedom of speech” is a fraud, it is fake as in France one cannot question the Holohoax. The reporter was dumbfounded.

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  168. @Colin Wright

    Here, to be fair, one has to realize that until rather recently, it was commonly accepted that (a), most Jews could trace their ancestry to Biblical Palestine (b), the Old Testament more or less recounted historical events, and (c), the Jews had been expelled from Palestine by the Romans. So a Zionist could be secular, an atheist even, and still conceive himself to have a ‘right’ to Palestine. It was the Jewish homeland from which they had been driven.

    Certainly, and this common acceptance can be safely described as religiously motivated. Archaeological endeavor prior to the late nineteenth century had presented findings that clearly challenged the biblical account, which merely informs us that such findings had little bearing upon contemporaneous statecraft. They still don’t matter even after so much more has been discovered. That’s the power of religion which purportedly atheist Zionists understood and exploited to great effect.

    Their disposition was pragmatically religious as well, premised upon little more than faith in the correctness of Zionist Manifest Destiny.

    Here, we don’t need to identify with religion as we do with Christianity or Islam. We’re talking about a conviction that is religious in effect, one followed with absolute, unwavering confidence in its correctness.

    Originally, and in accordance with their religion, Jews weren’t supposed to force the issue of return to Israel, that much is clear; but The Lie that salvation comes in Israel had been forged centuries before Jesus came on the scene, so it should hardly surprise us that, from the same milieu which had imposed restrictions upon that return, a rationale for compelling its realization would arise.

    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave,/ When first we practise to deceive!”

    The age of nationalism merely provided opportunity to realize a Jewish expectation which, by then, was already more than two thousand years old. For generations beforehand, many Jews had already seen the fulfillment of that expectation in both Jesus and Muhammad.

    After all, in the Promised Land between the Nile and the Euphrates, have any people other than the descendants of Abraham via Ishmael “numbered as the stars in the heavens”? [Genesis 15:5; 26:4]

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  169. @AaronB

    Jewish nationalism will also become gentler, as the Arabs settle down.

    Shalom,

    Do you want to bet that on January 20, 2021 Trump will still be the President?

    The fake interference in the elections will be blamed on Israel.

    Both Israel and Jews will be history again!

    70 years, is a page in the history of mankind. Do you remember who said this?

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  170. @AnonStarter

    After all, in the Promised Land between the Nile and the Euphrates, have any people other than the descendants of Abraham via Ishmael “numbered as the stars in the heavens”? [Genesis 15:5; 26:4]

    Salam,

    Well said!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

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  171. @Larchmonter420

    Wa ‘alaikumus-salaam to you as well, my friend.

    Insha’ALLAH, all is well with you and your family.

    was-salaam.

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  172. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Sorry, bud, Unz exists primarily to stoke antisemitism, to deflect attention from actual elite policies which concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the few (many of whom are Jewish lol), and focus discontent on appearances, that are easily cosmetically manipulated.

    Its secondary mission is to promote racial hatred against Blacks, to again deflect attention from elites and redirect anger, create distraction, and promote disunity.

    Its third mission is to “groom” people to view Chinese social control policies favorably so the elites can implement them here, as well as convince people that Chinese working conditions- long hours, few protections, inequality higher than the US – are actually exemplary, so the elites can import them here.

    As I always say, there is a reason the webs biggest antisemitic site is not shut down, when smaller ones have, for lesser crimes.

    People forget that Ron is an Jewish tech millionaire, very much a member of the elite.

    But of course, you aren’t smart enough to see this 🙂

    Sure, bud, its just a free speech site, with no editorial line, and with a totally random selection of articles.

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    , @Wizard of Oz
  173. As I always say, there is a reason the webs biggest antisemitic site is not shut down, when smaller ones have, for lesser crimes.

    People forget that Ron is an Jewish tech millionaire, very much a member of the elite.

    But of course, you aren’t smart enough to see this.

    You mean that Ron is a Schumer for Israel?

    Has anybody doubt it? I don’t think so.

    Do you remember who Obama Hussein called, “Chicken Shit”?

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  174. AaronB says:

    @German_Reader

    Half of Israel is composed of “brown” Jews, and half of White, and there are Black Jews, Asian jews, etc. And the level of participation for minorities, is significantly higher than in classic European nationalism, and than you envision for Germany (for instance I suspect you would not be comfortable with a Black Muslim, say, being the head of an important brigade, etc).

    You downplay this as simply some unusual features, in a nationalism that is otherwise identical to classic European nationalism. I have to disagree.

    You are right that attitudes to Israel are affected by the Holocaust, as well as the general history of being a persecuted minority, and there is no clear substitute that I can think of, that might give a similar boost for European nationalism.

    Another factor I can think of which doesn’t apply to Europe, is Israel is blessed with its enemies. However short of the Leftisf ideal Israel falls, it is fighting enemies that are literal Leftist nightmares.

    Another factor to consider, is that in Europe, nationalism is associated with right wing social policies. For instance, I imagine your nationalism is somehow tied up with being anti feminist and anti gay. Israel is famously tolerant of gays and feminism is influential.

    This, however, can be remedied.

    You are correct that Israel began as a classic 19th century nationalist project (although it has obviously always been the aspiration of Jews to recover their list land). However, it developed in a more moderate fashion – instead of going hard right, like many European nationalisms, it picked up many liberal principles.

    As for Israel squandering its good will, it seems to me the opposite is the case. Criticism from Europe has never been more muted, it is accepted by an increasing slice of the Muslim world, and it is extremely popular in America and India, and has good relations with China.

    Overall, I have to agree with you that European nationalism faces a harder battle than Israeli nationalism, because of factors outside anyone’s control.

    But I do think you can dramatically help your situation, by creating a more moderate nationalism, that is less exclusive, and less associated with right wing social policies and attitudes. It is my opinion that European nationalism of the classic, very exclusive, “hard” kind us not only an unwinnable battle now, but also undesirable.

    You say nationalist states are losing legitimacy in Eutope, but there are serious counter trends it seems to me, that tell a different tale.

  175. @AaronB

    ‘…Half of Israel is composed of “brown” Jews, and half of White, and there are Black Jews, Asian jews, etc. And the level of participation for minorities, is significantly higher than in classic European nationalism…’

    God, your hypocrisy is mind-numbing!

    So, Jews are one people, and entitled to their one land — except when that land needs to have lots of minorities, and then they’re all these separate peoples, who belong to different lands.

  176. @AaronB

    ‘I want to clarify what I meant when I said Islam is in terminal decline…’

    It’s okay, Aaron. We’re all perfectly clear on your intent, if not precisely your ‘meaning.’

    …and your ‘meaning’ is unimportant anyway, since nothing you say is particularly likely to be factual, or even sincerely meant. It’s all cynically subordinated to your intent — and as I say, we understand that perfectly well.

    So there’s really nothing to clarify, is there? Let’s ask, shall we?

    Is there anyone here who is in any doubt as to the purpose of every remark Aaron makes?

    …there. See, Aaron, you can relax. We understand.

  177. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    However, it developed in a more moderate fashion – instead of going hard right, like many European nationalisms, it picked up many liberal principles.

    I’m not the biggest expert on Israeli domestic politics, but it seems to me the opposite actually happened. Israel had a strong socialist imprint during its first decades, which was one of the reasons many Western leftists liked it (and it was seen as the underdog facing superior Arab enemies, though even back then that view may have been one-sided). Yet by the end of the 1970s Israelis were voting for the hard right, electing Begin and later Shamir as prime ministers, former members of the “rogue movement” responsible for massacres like Deir Yassin, and firmly committed to the settlements project. The influence of obscurantist religious nutters (the kind of people who aren’t exactly supporters of women’s lib and gay rights) also increased. And in economic policy Israel became less socialist. So I think your emphasis on “liberal principles” (which I’ll admit are not completely absent from Israel’s political culture) puts a spin on Israel’s political development which obscures the rightward drift of Israeli politics.

    and there is no clear substitute that I can think of, that might give a similar boost for European nationalism.

    Well, some European peoples have had very bitter historical experiences too, e. g. the Irish and the famine, or Poland which faced a very real threat of national destruction during the German occupation in WW2. Yet that doesn’t really make Irish and Polish nationalism more legitimate in the eyes of most liberals.
    Anyway, I disagree with your basic premise that European nationalisms are somehow especially odious because of historical sins. Unless it has been completely powerless throughout all of its existence, no people has ever been totally “innocent”, and the oppressed of today can easily become the oppressors of tomorrow, and viceversa.

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  178. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Put it this way. Viewed abstractly, in what significant way would you say Zionism and Nazism differ?

    I think AaronB is probably correct that racial purity in the narrow sense or the exaltation of a certain physical type (like the Nordic type in Nazism) don’t feature that strongly in Zionism. That doesn’t mean Zionists are completely uninterested in questions of descent and lineages, but they aren’t really racialist in the Nazi sense imo.
    And even if one has a negative view of Israel, her crimes can’t be in any way seen as equal to those of Nazi Germany, and there are still important elements of liberal sentiment and rule of law within Israeli politics. Arab citizens may face discrimination, but they still have political and civil rights which those outside of the Nazi Volksgemeinschaft didn’t have (indeed weren’t really operative within the Volksgemeinschaft either, Nazi Germany was an increasingly repressive dictatorship after all).
    Of course one might argue that the more extreme Zionists (the sort of people who equate Palestinians with Amalekites) are only restrained by practical considerations, that is the need not to alienate US public opinion, and might behave in a considerably more extreme manner under other conditions. iirc even AaronB has admitted in the past that such external constraints on Israel are an important factor and that otherwise something like mass expulsions of Arabs might be palatable to sections of Israeli society.
    But Nazi comparisons aren’t really illuminating imo, they’re just a polemical device, one which is bound to offend even more moderate Jews, so they should be avoided.

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  179. @German_reader

    This is the problem with Germans. Like getting dive-bombed by Stukas, your post is very thorough, very well done, and it also goes on for far too long (Evelyn Waugh. ‘As with all things German…’)

    Sigh…

    I think AaronB is probably correct that racial purity in the narrow sense or the exaltation of a certain physical type (like the Nordic type in Nazism) don’t feature that strongly in Zionism. That doesn’t mean Zionists are completely uninterested in questions of descent and lineages, but they aren’t really racialist in the Nazi sense imo.

    ! Zionism implicitly defines Judaism as matter of race rather than faith and refuses to accord any legitimacy to any claim but the Jewish one. It’s Nazism in block caps in this respect.

    And even if one has a negative view of Israel, her crimes can’t be in any way seen as equal to those of Nazi Germany, and there are still important elements of liberal sentiment and rule of law within Israeli politics. Arab citizens may face discrimination, but they still have political and civil rights which those outside of the Nazi Volksgemeinschaft didn’t have (indeed weren’t really operative within the Volksgemeinschaft either, Nazi Germany was an increasingly repressive dictatorship after all).
    Of course one might argue that the more extreme Zionists (the sort of people who equate Palestinians with Amalekites) are only restrained by practical considerations, that is the need not to alienate US public opinion, and might behave in a considerably more extreme manner under other conditions. iirc even AaronB has admitted in the past that such external constraints on Israel are an important factor and that otherwise something like mass expulsions of Arabs might be palatable to sections of Israeli society.

    What do you think would happen if Israel found herself waging total war — as, say, Germany did from about the time of the Wannsee conference? Would you care to be a Palestinian at Israel’s mercy?

    I’m all too confident that given circumstances resembling those Nazi Germany found herself in beginning in 1941-42, Israeli behavior would likely be the same. After all, Israel has already proved perfectly willing to engage in massacres on at least the scale anything Germany engaged in prior to Operation Barbarossa. How can you seriously have any confidence her behavior wouldn’t continue to at least match that of her ideological predecessor if matters worsened?

    But Nazi comparisons aren’t really illuminating imo, they’re just a polemical device, one which is bound to offend even more moderate Jews, so they should be avoided.

    No — that’s just my point. It’s not a polemical device. Nazism wasn’t some kind of fairy tale, practiced by bad men and told to frighten children. It was a real movement, engaged in by real people, for a real set of reasons.

    Ditto for Zionism. In abstract, it really is indistinguishable from Nazism. It’s also a degenerate and and extreme form of Nineteenth Century European racial nationalism, it also has captivated a traumatized people, it also reduces law to a mere figleaf, it also exalts violence and militarism to absurd heights, it also uses a falsified history to justify its claims, and it also disregards the interests and claims of all others in favor of those of the chosen people.

    Zi0nism and Nazism couldn’t be more alike.

    • Troll: L.K
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  180. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Zionism implicitly defines Judaism as matter of race rather than faith

    I think “race” is somewhat misleading, AaronB could easily counter that there’s great phenotypical variety among Jews. “Matrilineal descent” might be more accurate.

    What do you think would happen if Israel found herself waging total war — as, say, Germany did from about the time of the Wannsee conference? Would you care to be a Palestinian at Israel’s mercy?
    I’m all too confident that given circumstances resembling those Nazi Germany found herself in beginning in 1941-42, Israeli behavior would likely be the same.

    I’m actually inclined to agree with that assessment. The mindset of many Zionists (entire world is irredeemably hostile, all actions of their own side are always legitimate self-defense, never the slightest bit excessive; among some at least also the religious component and the creepy OT references) certainly makes one wonder what exactly those people would be willing to do under certain circumstances. I can certainly imagine a scenario in which Netanyahu or some other Israeli right-winger brings about a large Mideast war, under whose cover Israel would then forcibly “transfer” Palestinians, or maybe even worse. But for now this is merely a potentiality, not an accurate description of the current situation as it is.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  181. @German_reader

    ‘…I can certainly imagine a scenario in which Netanyahu or some other Israeli right-winger brings about a large Mideast war, under whose cover Israel would then forcibly “transfer” Palestinians, or maybe even worse…’

    But there you go. Isn’t this a tacit admission that you recognize the parallel between Zionism and Nazism? After all, it’s hard to imagine — say — Canada doing the equivalent.

    You may prefer not to state it as I do, but the point remains. Calling Zionism Nazism isn’t just a form of verbal abuse ala ‘Trump is a Nazi’ or whatever. It’s a more or less accurate description of the correspondence between two kindred ideological systems.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  182. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Isn’t this a tacit admission that you recognize the parallel between Zionism and Nazism?

    There’s not really anything like Nazi Germany’s racial laws in Israel though, Arab citizens may not be on the same level as Jews, but they still have civil rights and even some political representation in the Knesset. Nor is Israel really a dictatorship.
    I’m not overly sympathetic to Zionism these days, imo it’s quite possible that it will cause some horrible disaster (hard not to get the impression after all that Netanyahu and his ilk would like to drag the US into a war with Iran, or at the very least keep tensions at a high level which makes a war more likely). But I doubt Nazi comparisons are helpful. They might even insulate Zionism from criticism, because they’re widely seen as offensive (reversal of victims and perpetrators, to assuage European Holocaust guilt, is the standard accusation) and can be easily dismissed due to the many differences between Nazi Germany and Israel.

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  183. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Thats a very good point. Israel did actually become much, much more right wing as the decades passed.

    I would say, though, that it started from an unusually extreme leftward tilt, and has managed to “keep up with the tines” by adopting key features of the evolving leftwing value system, like being friendly to gays and being feminist, etc.

    I would also say, that on the most significant left wing metric today, race and integration of minorities, Israel can be distinguished from classical nationalism, and that’s a big deal for the left. Partly its just good luck – Jews were dispersed around the world and internarried, but partly its a real quirk of Jewish nationalism, a philosophical difference.

    Anyway, I disagree with your basic premise that European nationalisms are somehow especially odious because of historical sins. Unless it has been completely powerless throughout all of its existence, no people has ever been totally “innocent”, and the oppressed of today can easily become the oppressors of tomorrow, and viceversa

    I dont think European nationalism today need be tied to historical sins, but I do think the left is understandably worried. Not just Jews- its the whole world wars thing. And I think as a “marketing and branding” exercise, distancing oneself from historical nationalism by proclaiming a “new nationalism” that is more relaxed and inclusive, and compromises on certain key left wing values, may make a world of a difference.

    It would still be a battle, but it might be won.

    To that end, distance from Unz style nationalism might be advisable. Perception counts for a lot.

  184. geokat62 says:

    And I think as a “marketing and branding” exercise, distancing oneself from historical nationalism by proclaiming a “new nationalism” that is more relaxed and inclusive, and compromises on certain key left wing values, may make a world of a difference.

    Marketing and branding exercise? Spoken like a true student of Edward Bernays, lol.

    Yeah, a new nationalism, goy, one that is more relaxed and inclusive.

    Why not push your beloved Eretz Yisrael to embrace this “new nationalism” first Aaron and the goys will soon follow suit… we promise.

  185. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Jefferson Davis’ treasurer was Benjamin Judah.

    …And just whom do you suppose adjusted the purse strings for the manufacturing/industrial North and their domesticated citizen/cattle? I smell a rat!

  186. @German_reader

    ‘There’s not really anything like Nazi Germany’s racial laws in Israel though, Arab citizens may not be on the same level as Jews, but they still have civil rights and even some political representation in the Knesset….’

    Well, of course not. Israel, unlike Germany, is a small state, completely dependent on the good opinion and support of the the United States. She can no more toddle off on her own than a one year old can do without mommy.

    …so she has to pretend to subscribe to the same shibboleths we do.

    But the key word there is ‘pretend.’ An Israeli judge agreed that the bare fact that the male in question was Arab and the female Jewish sufficed to prove a charge of rape. Military courts in the West Bank have a 99.875 percent conviction rate: the one time I know of that a Palestinian was acquitted, he was able to demonstrate he had already been in prison on another charge at the time of the alleged offense. Jews who murder a Palestinian get away with little or no punishment, Palestinian schools are funded at one fifth the rate of Jewish schools, etc, etc.

    Yes, there are Palestinian representatives in the Knesset — but no Jewish party will ever form a coalition with them. In fact, after the last election, Netanyahu’s opponents faced precisely that choice: form a coalition with the Palestinian parties, or let Netanyahu win again.

    They chose the former. Superficially, Palestinians have rights, power, civil services, etc. In practice, they don’t. A Jew who murders a Palestinian in modern Israel is no more likely to get into trouble than a Stormtrooper who beats up a Jewish shopkeeper in 1934 would. If you get videotaped doing it, you might get a few months.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @German_reader
  187. @AaronB

    ‘Thats a very good point. Israel did actually become much, much more right wing as the decades passed.’

    Aww…Aaron’s having a go at manipulating another patsy: ‘German Reader’ in this case. It never works, but he keeps trying.

    ‘I would say, though, that it started from an unusually extreme leftward tilt, and has managed to “keep up with the tines” by adopting key features of the evolving leftwing value system, like being friendly to gays and being feminist, etc…’

    ! You really didn’t notice when Netanyahu remonstrated with the men of the Knesset, arguing that just as one does not beat an animal, one does not beat a woman?

    Yep, that’s Israel, a real feminist leader. Israel’s ‘keeping up with the times’ alright. Do you see community service for murdering Muslims, for example, as progressive jurisprudence?

    • Replies: @German_reader
  188. @AaronB

    ‘…I would also say, that on the most significant left wing metric today, race and integration of minorities, Israel can be distinguished from classical nationalism, and that’s a big deal for the left…”

    ! You could say that. Israel’s behavior can indeed be distinguished from classical nationalism. Can you name any European State between the French Revolution and the advent of Nazi Germany that mistreated its minorities as viciously as the Jews of Israel abuse the Palestinians?

    …and I suppose it is indeed a big deal for many on the left. Hence all that ‘anti-semitism.’ BDS, etc.

    Keep pitching, Aaron. Batting practice is fun.

  189. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    There’s not really anything like Nazi Germany’s racial laws in Israel though, Arab citizens may not be on the same level as Jews, but they still have civil rights and even some political representation in the Knesset….’

    Actually, I think you’re missing another rather obvious difference.

    The Arab population in Israel is over 20% of the total, representing a pretty substantial minority, for example almost 50% larger percentagewise than the Muslim minority in India.

    By contrast, Jews were less than 1% of German’s population, which was 99% German. 1% is such an invisibly small element it’s not even usually considered a real “minority” in most countries.

    The key factor was that during the Weimar period, the German Jews had managed to gain control of perhaps one-third of all of Germany’s real wealth and also much of its political system, a situation that was considerably resented by Germany’s totally impoverished 99% majority…

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-jews-and-nazis/

  190. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Jews who murder a Palestinian get away with little or no punishment

    Do you have a source for that? I haven’t heard that before.
    Anyway, I’m not that much in disagreement, I don’t like Israel myself (though less so for the Palestinian issue itself, more for the fact that Zionist lobbyists seem to be intent on destabilizing the entire region, imo it’s clear they would like to split up Iran and throw it into civil war, like happened with Iraq in the wake of the 2003 war). But I don’t want to get sucked any deeper into this discussion tbh, have already spent too much time on it.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  191. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Aaron’s having a go at manipulating another patsy: ‘German Reader’ in this case.

    Don’t worry, I won’t let myself by manipulated by AaronB, I’m not that gullible.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  192. @Ron Unz

    Actually, I think you’re missing another rather obvious difference.

    Shalom Ron,

    Colin Wright is a well disguised Hasbara in sheep clothing.

    Mohamed

    Blessed be HaShem!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  193. The key factor was that during the Weimar period, the German Jews had managed to gain control of perhaps one-third of all of Germany’s real wealth and also much of its political system, a situation that was considerably resented by Germany’s totally impoverished 99% majority…

    Presently not much difference in all of EU and all of Americas.

  194. @German_reader

    But I don’t want to get sucked any deeper into this discussion tbh, have already spent too much time on it.

    LOL. Two Hasbaras, Colin and you are at it back and forth.

    • Replies: @L.K
  195. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s kind of the point, though. If they were considered fully German (and most were patriotic and enthusiastic about German culture. Many had even converted to Christianity), there would have been no resentment. Whats more, the Jewish population was in process of being assimilated.

    And in terms of IQ, Jews probably formed close to a third of high IQ Germans, so there was not necessarily any great disproportion.

    Let’s say, an ethnic group that was composed of converts to Judaism, along with many who did not convert but were largely Judaized in culture and were on the whole patriotic Israelis, who were a tiny part of the population but a third of its high achievers, had accumulated a third of the wealth of Israel, would that breed resentment on the level it did in Germany?

    I’m inclined to say that Jewish nationalism is elastic enough to accommodate such a thing. Perhaps not, who knows.

    Certainly, by the standards of the time, such a situation in Germany was intolerable. But perhaps, that kind of nationalism is too rigid and exclusive.

  196. @Ron Unz

    ‘…The key factor was that during the Weimar period, the German Jews had managed to gain control of perhaps one-third of all of Germany’s real wealth and also much of its political system, a situation that was considerably resented by Germany’s totally impoverished 99% majority…’

    Ron,

    Having scanned it, your piece doesn’t discuss Weimar and the role of the Jews in it much.

    That’s not a criticism of the piece itself, but it is a pity, as I’m trying to find material on just that.

    There’s a curious — even suspicious — lacuna here. We have Wilhelmine Germany, a state in which there was some anti-semitism — but of a very limited form. Nobody was suggesting that the Jews should be killed.

    Then Nazi Germany appears — marked by a singularly virulent and quite unqualified antisemitism.

    So that raises the question: what came in between? Even Esau’s Tears, Lindemann’s otherwise-excellent and quite balanced survey of pre-Holocaust anti-semitism, omits this rather obviously germane question.

    What was the Jewish role in Weimar? How extensive and abrasive was it? What happened, in short. There appear to be a few very polemical compilations, but nothing that can reasonably claim to be authoritative and judicious in its judgements.

    [MORE]

    As I’ve made clear elsewhere, I’m definitely a Holocaust believer. For the moment, at least, let’s just treat that as a matter of religious conviction. However, what I don’t like is the notion that Jews were these snowily-white innocent victims, suddenly and inexplicably hated by the bad Nazis. This isn’t to say the Jews somehow deserved to be killed. It is to wonder precisely what occurred between 1918 and 1933 to bring about the appearance of a state marked by explicit and extreme anti-semitism.

    We’ve got a development that needs to be traced here; just as Anna Karenina begins with the character as a woman stuck in a mildly unhappy marriage and ends with her throwing herself under a train — or perhaps better, how the American colonies started out objecting to various acts of taxation and things and wound up insisting on complete independence.

    But is the case of the Jews and Weimar Germany, no one tells us the story. There was some process — a sequence of events, perceptions, and responses. But no one seems to have made any serious attempt to outline what that process was.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  197. @German_reader

    ‘Don’t worry, I won’t let myself by manipulated by AaronB, I’m not that gullible.’

    I doubt you are. Aaron, however, always has a go. It’s kind of a rite of passage around here.

  198. @Larchmonter420

    ‘Colin Wright is a well disguised Hasbara in sheep clothing.’

    You and Aaron could have an interesting debate about that.

    …but don’t. Aaron would figure out some way of being annoying.

  199. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    I’m inclined to say that Jewish nationalism is elastic enough to accommodate such a thing. Perhaps not, who knows.

    Yeah, very elastic, lol!

    Excerpt from, Israel Civil Marriage Ban Blocks Those Not Considered Jewish From Wedding:

    Jewish law states that only someone born of a Jewish mother or who had an Orthodox Jewish conversion is Jewish. And since there is no civil marriage in Israel, anyone who is not Jewish cannot marry another Jew in Israel.

    https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_3429764

  200. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    And in terms of IQ, Jews probably formed close to a third of high IQ Germans,

    What rubbish.

  201. Malla says:
    @AaronB

    But of course, you aren’t smart enough to see this

    I am smart enough to see through the bullshit you are pushing here.

    Sorry, bud, Unz exists primarily to stoke antisemitism, to deflect attention from actual elite policies which concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the few

    Again this is rubbish. What is a more important point is that in the MSM of the West, once cannot criticize Jews. minister Farrakhan was told this right on his face,goyim of any kind cannot croiticize anything about Jews. MalcomX said in his speech that when he said anything against White people in general or the West, the Jews were all liberal and smiling but the moment he said anything against the Jewish exploitation of Black Americans, the same”liberal Jews’ turned to vicious racists. A English nationalist, I do not remember his name was told back in the 30’s that in Britain one could criticize the King but not Jews. This African comedian living in France, Dieudonné M’bala M’bala, who bluntly was told on TV that in FRANCE, you can criticize France to your heart’s content, you can even criticize Africa but it is not kosher for anybody to criticize the foreign country of Israel!!! , not only Jews but even the foreign state of Israel!!That is weird and toxic, for a non Western like me to hear.
    This is what needs to be addressed and remedied. Not your bullshit about Unz . com
    The same MSM of the West continuously attacks the West!!!! Its traditional values and mores and has had a disastrous effect on the World due to this. The Third World NEEEDS the traditional West to save itself. It has no other way out. We are slipping towards hell.

    Its secondary mission is to promote racial hatred against Blacks

    Nice try Aaron, jelling the Jewish “struggle” together with the black “struggle”to blame YT. Isn’t this getting old? The truth is Jews have been using blacks as weapons against gentile Whites to the detriment of both. again, the fact that high black crime etc…are not discussed in the MSM as well as the MSM having a habit of creating a false impression of “racism” and “persecution” of blacks in the West iswhy website like Unz where honest discussions can be had on this issue. The so called “free” MSM of the “free West” would never allow any discussions of these facts.
    The media in the West is not free, that is what you need to be addressing and concentrating to rectify, Aaron.

    Its third mission is to “groom” people to view Chinese social control policies favorably so the elites can implement them here,

    This may be true. Again your Israel have been close buddies to the Chinese giving them stolen US tech. Also many here on Unz do not trust the US Govt after the truth about WW2, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya have come out in the open. One cannot blame them. That is why some (not all) are skeptical about the US Govt’s criticism about China. Actually people here are far more aware of the dangers of such kinds of Socialist controls than the common man on Earth. After all Google and INQTEL companies are all working towards that direction anyways.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  202. Ron Unz says:
    @Colin Wright

    Having scanned it, your piece doesn’t discuss Weimar and the role of the Jews in it much.

    My apologies, I linked the wrong article. Here’s a relevant excerpt and the link:

    Not long ago, I came across a very interesting book written by Sir Arthur Bryant, an influential historian whose Wikipedia page describes him as the personal favorite of Winston Churchill and two other British prime ministers…Bryant became alarmed over what he had written and attempted to remove all existing copies from circulation. Therefore the only ones available for sale on Amazon are exorbitantly priced, but fortunately the work is also freely available at Archive.org

    Among other surprising facts, he notes that although Jews were just 1% of the total population, even five years after Hitler had come to power and implemented various anti-Semitic policies, they still apparently owned “something like a third of the real property” in that country, with the great bulk of these vast holdings having been acquired from desperate, starving Germans in the terrible years of the early 1920s. Thus, much of Germany’s 99% German population had recently been dispossessed of the assets they had built up over generations, sometimes due to the same sort of corrupt financial practices that Bazelon and his friends had used to enrich themselves in California at the expense of the Japanese.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-power-of-organized-crime/

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  203. Ron Unz says:
    @AaronB

    And in terms of IQ, Jews probably formed close to a third of high IQ Germans, so there was not necessarily any great disproportion.

    Well, if you’re really just an “anti-Semitic” troll attempting to demonstrate ridiculous Jewish megalomania, you’re obviously over-doing it…

    Based upon all available evidence, the fully environmentally-equalized IQ differences between Ashkenazi Jews and Germans is probably something like 3-5 points, perhaps even less if we properly weight the spatial component.

    Admittedly, tested IQs are substantially dependent upon environmental factors such as affluence and urbanization, and German Jews were generally affluent and also very heavily urbanized compared to most ordinary Germans, especially the substantial peasantry. But even maximizing the possible impact of those factors, I just can’t believe that the 1% Jewish population represented more than 4-5% of the highest IQ stratum of the national population.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Colin Wright
  204. German_reader says:
    @Ron Unz

    they still apparently owned “something like a third of the real property” in that country

    The only source he gives for that claim is “The Times correspondent in Berlin”, and there isn’t even a footnote which would allow one to check a specific newspaper issue. I doubt the “one third of real property” claim is correct, but at the very least one would need some more substantical source like statistical data to use it as an argument for anything.

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Colin Wright
  205. geokat62 says:

    The ADL/SPLC are doing God’s work…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  206. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    The only source he gives for that claim is “The Times correspondent in Berlin”

    Well, look. Arthur Bryant was one of Britain’s leading historians and he’d spent several years working on his book about Nazi Germany. At that point, the Times of London was still probably the world’s most influential newspaper. If Bryant quoted the estimate of the Times correspondent, he must have thought it seemed fairly reasonable.

    If you can find a more reliable figure, please go ahead and do so, perhaps by going through all the old Nazi Germany research reports and government studies of that era. Until you can do so, the Bryant/Times figure stands as the best estimate we have.

    I think you claim to be some elderly German cuck who’s always ranting about Muslim immigrants, but a very basic rule of historiography is that you can’t beat something with nothing…

    • Agree: L.K
  207. German_reader says:
    @Ron Unz

    At that point, the Times of London was still probably the world’s most influential newspaper.

    I’m inclined to the view that journalists are mostly scum who can’t be trusted, and I don’t see why this should have been any different in the 1930s. Any argument that’s only based on newspaper articles seems pretty weak to me. imo the trust put into newspaper articles (of course only those that fit your preconceptions) and dubious journo scum like Wickham Steed is one of the major weaknesses of your articles.
    I mean, would you trust what’s in the NYT today, just because it’s “probably the world’s most influential newspaper”?

    I think you claim to be some elderly German cuck who’s always ranting about Muslim immigrants

    I’m more of a young(ish) Nazi, and Muslims are only one of the groups I’m opposed to (I’m also against organized Jewry, the Christian Churches, Afrocentrists, Marxists, Christian Democrats, Libertarians, “human rights” activists and open borders NGOs, all of whom I regard as enemies, and am inclined to the view that the US is indeed the Great Satan which should be brought down). However if one makes historical claims one has to engage in source criticism, which you must know due to your training as a historian. It shouldn’t be that hard to check a claim like “Jews owned one third of the wealth in Germany” since there must be a lot of statistical data about Aryanizations of Jewish property. So I think it’s pretty lame that you included this claim in your article based on nothing more than a second-hand newspaper source.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Ron Unz
  208. @German_reader

    ‘The only source he gives for that claim is “The Times correspondent in Berlin”, and there isn’t even a footnote which would allow one to check a specific newspaper issue. I doubt the “one third of real property” claim is correct, but at the very least one would need some more substantical source like statistical data to use it as an argument for anything…’

    Now I’ve thanked Ron and you.

    Your remark is useful. At the same time, it seems reasonable to assume Bryant was neither a rabid antisemite nor uncritically adoring of the Nazis. Perhaps mildly antisemitic and cautiously admiring — but that’s a different matter.

    So if he thought the contention that Jews were in a position of excessive power and influence in Germany prior to Hitler was valid, it seems worth exploring the notion. Certainly, something fueled Hiter’s antisemitism — and the willingness of the majority of Germans to at least accept it.

    After all, if, say, we acquired a national leader who wanted to hang all Mennonites, I’d be outraged, and would probably do all I dared to sabotage the policy. Mennonites seem mildly weird, but they’re definitely harmless.

    So if the Germans felt differently about the Jews, they must have had reason. Perhaps not good reason, and I’d readily agree not reason sufficient to justify killing them all, but reason.

    It didn’t happen just because Germans be that way.

  209. @geokat62

    ‘The ADL/SPLC are doing God’s work…’

    And to think there are people crazy enough to claim Jews are promoting illegal immigration…

  210. @Ron Unz

    ‘…I think you claim to be some elderly German cuck who’s always ranting about Muslim immigrants, but a very basic rule of historiography is that you can’t beat something with nothing…’

    Yeah — but at the same time, a single isolated assertion doesn’t become verified fact simply because no one’s contradicted it.

    I can claim Fran Taubman gets food stamps, and she would have a hard time proving she doesn’t, but at the same time, you can reasonably treat the claim as at least mildly improbable. You’re not required to agree it must be so, pending Fran getting and posting a certified letter from the welfare department or whatever.

    If someone makes a remarkable claim, it’s reasonable to treat it with skepticism until substantial evidence is offered to support it. In this case, I can see how ‘the Times correspondent’ (whose claim all this seems to rest on) might have willingly accepted statistics provided by the German government itself that the Jews had owned a third of Germany or whatever it was.

    Such credulousness wouldn’t be new. In the election we just had, the mainstream media apparently simply phoned up the agencies conducting the vote counts and accepted their assurances that the counts had been properly conducted — thus ‘verifying’ that the election wasn’t fraudulent.

    If the Times and Bryant preferred to believe the Nazis were reasonable in their behavior, perhaps they were too willing to accept the claims proffered to justify that behavior.

    That’s speculation, of course, but awrasamee…

    One would like to see a more detailed body of evidence concerning contentions that the Jews dominated Germany’s economy.

  211. @Ron Unz

    ‘…Among other surprising facts, he notes that although Jews were just 1% of the total population, even five years after Hitler had come to power and implemented various anti-Semitic policies, they still apparently owned “something like a third of the real property” in that country, with the great bulk of these vast holdings having been acquired from desperate, starving Germans in the terrible years of the early 1920s…’

    This does relate to something that was mentioned in de Jongh’s The Weimar Chronicles.

    Eastern Jews had very visibly poured into Germany in the aftermath of the First World War, and supposedly, they proved more adept than native businessmen at taking advantage of the financial chaos of the hyper-inflation in the early twenties.

    They might not have acquired ‘a third of the real property,’ but they could have very conspicuously turned up owning some erstwhile noble estates. It certainly would have caught everyone’s attention if Baron von Moulder had driven off one day and been replaced by some Galician Jew.

  212. @German_reader

    ‘…I’m more of a young(ish) Nazi, and Muslims are only one of the groups I’m opposed to (I’m also against organized Jewry, the Christian Churches, Afrocentrists, Marxists, Christian Democrats, Libertarians, “human rights” activists and open borders NGOs, all of whom I regard as enemies, and am inclined to the view that the US is indeed the Great Satan which should be brought down). ..’

    This is definitely the ‘only at Unz Review‘ experience: you wind assuring your audience that you hate everybody just as much as the next guy.

    It’s actually a mild nuisance, if not a real problem. Any view other than the most extreme possible becomes suspect and leads to denunciations. At the moment, for example, at least one person has denounced me as a ‘hasbarat.’ That would startle all those who think I’m actually kind of a bore with my monomaniacal hatred of Israel.

    But I guess I just don’t hate enough.

  213. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    you wind assuring your audience that you hate everybody just as much as the next guy.

    I need to establish my street credibility, don’t I?
    Anyway, I was writing partly in jest, but Ron Unz is way off regarding my person. He seems to imagine that only the sort of stupid pro-Trump Ameriboomers populating Sailer’s blog could ever disagree with him, and that’s not the case.

    • Troll: L.K
  214. geokat62 says:

    A friendly message from Open Society Foundations…

  215. geokat62 says:

    Say “goodbye” to your First Amendment rights.

    Excerpt from, Cuomo Signs State Law Barring Sale and Display of “Symbols Of Hate”:

    Rather, [the law] covers a wide array of undefined “symbols of hate.” Many people differ on what groups or symbols they deem “hateful.” The legislation is an invitation for plunging down the slippery slope of censorship.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2020/12/17/cuomo-signs-state-law-barring-sale-and-display-of-symbols-of-hate/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

  216. L.K says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Two Hasbaras, Colin and you( german_reader) are at it back and forth.

    You noticed that too, eh? I thought it was only me.
    Good thing to see at least some people ain’t falling for it…

    • Agree: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  217. Ron Unz says:
    @German_reader

    I’m more of a young(ish) Nazi

    Okay, so you say you’re a German and a Nazi. Perhaps I’m just mistaken, but I’d always had the impression that German Nazis were generally rather critical of Jewish misbehavior. Yet instead you seem extremely dismissive of all the seemingly-reputable sources I cite on those issues, such as the illustrious Times of London, a leading British historian such as Arthur Bryant, or one of Britain’s most eminent foreign correspondents such as Wickham Steed. That’s why I’d vaguely assumed you had claimed to be a German cuck. Still, those are very reputable sources, and I’m not sure why I should instead prefer the unsubstantiated opinions of some anonymous commenter, whether German cuck or German Nazi.

    It shouldn’t be that hard to check a claim like “Jews owned one third of the wealth in Germany” since there must be a lot of statistical data about Aryanizations of Jewish property.

    Well, I only read English so those are the sources most accessible to me, and I’d emphasized the looseness of the one-third estimate. Maybe the true number was 26%. Since you’re supposedly a German Nazi living in Germany, I’d assume you read German, so maybe you can go into all the old Nazi archives and publish a better estimate. Then, after you finally get out of prison, you can come back here and enlighten all of us.

    I’m pretty sure that Jews ran most of the biggest German banks in 1932, and indeed Irving actually found documentary evidence that the two biggest donors to the Nazi party were leading Jewish bankers. So all of that seems pretty consistent with Jews controlling a pretty substantial fraction of Germany’s wealth at that point.

    Even without America having gone through a Weimar-type economic collapse, billionaires these days possess an astonishing fraction of America’s wealth, and although just 2% of Americans are Jewish, 40% of our billionaires fall into that category. So are those German estimates from the 1930s really so totally outlandish?

    • Replies: @German_reader
    , @L.K
  218. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Actually there is plenty more to corroborate what Arthur Bryant wrote. If one desires newer material, a book, surprisingly published by Princeton University Press in 1984, titled (Hitler, Germans and the “Jewish Question”), by Sarah Gordon, essentially confirms what Bryant says:

    ‘Jews were never a large percentage of the total German population; at no time did they exceed 1% of the population during the years 1871-1933.’ [ it should be noted that many were recent arrivals from Eastern Europe]. But she adds:

    ‘Jews were over-represented in business, commerce, and public and private service… They were especially visible in private banking in Berlin, which in 1923 had 150 private Jewish banks, as opposed to only 11 private non-Jewish banks… They owned 41% of iron and scrap iron firms and 57% of other metal businesses…
    Jews were very active in the stock market, particularly in Berlin, where in 1928 they comprised 80% of the leading members of the stock exchange. By 1933, when the Nazis began eliminating Jews from prominent positions, 85% of the brokers on the Berlin Stock exchange were dismissed because of their “race”…
    At least a quarter of full professors and instructors (at German universities) had Jewish origins… In 1905-6 Jewish students comprised 25% of the law and medical students… In 1931, 50% of the 234 theatre directors in Germany were Jewish, and in Berlin the number was 80%… In 1929 it was estimated that the per capita income of Jews in Berlin was twice that of other Berlin residents…’ and so on and so forth.

    Arthur Koestler(Hungarian Jewish author) confirms the Jewish over-involvement in German publishing.

    ‘Ullstein’s was a kind of super-trust; the largest organization of its kind in Europe, and probably In the world. They published four daily papers in Berlin alone, among these the venerable Vossische Zeitung, founded in the eighteenth century, and the B.Z. am Mittag, an evening paper… Apart from these, Ullstein’s published more than a dozen weekly and monthly periodicals, ran their own news service, their own travel agency, etc., and were one of the leading book publishers. The firm was owned by the brothers Ullstein – they were five, like the original Rothschild brothers, and like them also, they were Jews.’ (The God that Failed (1950) ed. RHS Crossman, p 31).

    The American Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, Edgar Mowrer, Berlin correspondent for the Chicago Daily News, and who wrote an ANTI-GERMAN tract called Germany Puts the Clock Back (published as a Penguin Special and reprinted five times between December 1937 and April 1938), nevertheless noted:

    ‘In the all-important administration of Prussia, any number of strategic positions came into the hands of Hebrews… A telephone conversation between three Jews in Ministerial offices could result in the suspension of any periodical or newspaper in the state…
    The Jews came in Germany to play in politics and administration that same considerable part that they had previously won by open competition in business, trade, banking, the Press, the arts, the sciences and the intellectual and cultural life of the country. And thereby the impression was strengthened that Germany, a country with a mission of its own, had fallen into the hands of foreigners.’

    Mowrer added:

    ‘No one who lived through the period from 1919 to 1926 is likely to forget the sexual promiscuity that prevailed… Throughout a town like Berlin, hotels and pensions made vast fortunes by letting rooms by the hour or day to baggageless, unregistered guests. Hundreds of cabarets, pleasure resorts and the like served for purposes of getting acquainted and acquiring the proper mood…’ (pp. 153-4).

    Arthur Bryant describes throngs of child prostitutes outside the doors of the great Berlin hotels and restaurants. He adds ‘Most of them (the night clubs and vice-resorts) were owned and managed by Jews. And it was the Jews… among the promoters of this trade who were remembered in after years.’ (pg. 144-5).

    • Thanks: Ron Unz, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  219. German_reader says:
    @Ron Unz

    So are those German estimates from the 1930s really so totally outlandish?

    I don’t know. They seem unlikely to me, but I can’t be sure. But how could Bryant or that Times correspondent have known for sure? Bryant’s vague statement certainly doesn’t sound like anything based on detailed statistics to me. So the claim is little more than hearsay whose accuracy can’t really be evaluated on its own.
    imo you should take my comment as constructive criticism. A chief aim of your website is obviously the popularization of antisemitism. But how do you want to appeal to important high-IQ people (and not just marginal ones like L.K.) when the factual basis of claims in your articles is so shaky?

    Then, after you finally get out of prison

    Repression in Germany doesn’t work that way. imo it would probably even be possible to get lots of data from mainstream historians who’ve done research into Aryanizations. I can’t be bothered to spend time on it, but it can’t be that hard for anyone who can read German and has access to a university library.

    I’m pretty sure that Jews ran most of the biggest German banks in 1932, and indeed Irving actually found documentary evidence that the two biggest donors to the Nazi party were leading Jewish bankers.

    From a Nazi point of view that’s a pretty offensive claim, since it would invalidate the view of the NSDAP as a successful grassroots movement carried mainly by the donations of its members.

    • Troll: L.K, Larchmonter420
  220. L.K says:
    @Ron Unz

    Mr. Unz, this german_reader is just trolling you. He ain’t no Nazi and is as FAKE a German nationalist as they come. This individual falsely attributes the World Wars to German nationalism, which is a damn LIE, and became quite hysterical when your webzine published some articles critical of the toxic Jewish power and influence that permeates the West, for ex, by Kevin MacDonald. He has also viciously attacked holocaust revisionists, without, of course, having ever read ANY of their books! Anyway, back to why Jews became disliked in Germany, which btw are usually the same reasons they were not trusted in other European countries as well, and even in the US.

    Douglas Reed, Chief Central European correspondent before WWII for the London Times, was actually profoundly anti-German and anti-Hitler. But nevertheless he reported:
    ‘I watched the Brown Shirts going from shop to shop with paint pots and daubing on the window panes the word “Jew”, in dripping red letters. The Kurfürstendamm was to me a revelation. I knew that Jews were prominent in business life, but I did not know that they almost monopolized important branches of it. Germany had one Jew to one hundred gentiles, said the statistics; but the fashionable Kurfürstendamm, according to the dripping red legends, had about one gentile shop to ninety-nine Jewish ones.’ (Reed Insanity Fair (1938) p. 152-3.

    In Reed’s book Disgrace Abounding of the following year he notes:

    ‘In the Berlin (of pre-Hitler years) most of the theatres were Jewish-owned or Jewish-leased, most of the leading film and stage actors were Jews, the plays performed were often by German, Austrian or Hungarian Jews and were staged by Jewish film producers, applauded by Jewish dramatic critics in Jewish newspapers… The Jews are not cleverer than the Gentiles, if by clever you mean good at their jobs.

    They ruthlessly exploit the common feeling of Jews[Jewish hyper-ethnocentrism], first to get a foothold in a particular trade or calling, then to squeeze the non-Jews out of it… It is not true that Jews are better journalists than Gentiles. They held all the posts on those Berlin papers because the proprietors and editors were Jewish’ (pp 238-9).

    To cap it all, Jews were perceived as dangerous enemies of Germany after Samuel Untermeyer, the leader of the World Jewish Economic Federation, declared war on Germany on August 6 1933.

    “Most importantly, the worldwide retaliation for Germany’s anti-Jewish boycott was clearly to be a massive counter-boycott pursued by millions of people who would otherwise limit their protests to petitions and marches. Governments themselves might even be dragged into trade sanctions by popular demand for higher tariffs on German goods and even outright bans. Such initiatives were already under way in the U.S., Poland, and France. …” AND
    The one man who most embodied the potential death blow to Germany was Samuel Untermyer.” (Jewish author, Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984).

    Then, there was also the issue of Communist revolutionaries in Europe.
    According to the Jewish writer Chaim Bermant in his book The Jews (1977, chapter 8):

    ‘It must be added that most of the leading revolutionaries who convulsed Europe in the final decades of the last century and the first decades of this one, stemmed from prosperous Jewish families…

    Thus when, after the chaos of World War I, revolutions broke out all over Europe, Jews were everywhere at the helm; Trotsky, Sverdlov, Kamenev and Zinoviev in Russia, Bela Kun in Hungary, Kurt Eisner in Bavaria, and, most improbable of all, Rosa Luxemburg in Berlin.

    ‘To many outside observers, the Russian revolution looked like a Jewish conspiracy, especially when it was followed by Jewish-led revolutionary outbreaks in much of central Europe. The leadership of the Bolshevik Party had a preponderance of Jews… Of the seven members of the Politburo, the inner cabinet of the country, four, Trotsky (Bronstein), Zinoviev (Radomsky), Kamenev (Rosenfeld) and Sverdlov, were Jews.’

    • Replies: @German_reader
  221. There some other aspects of the question that occur to me.

    First, how — if at all — did the Jewish role in culture and the economy change from Wilhelmine Germany to Weimar? After all, if Jews in Weimar made up 37% of all theatrical producers, it would be one thing if the percentage before the war had been 4% — another if it had been 38%.

    Second, there was the very prominent role Jews played in the various attempts at socialist and communist revolution that were staged after the First World War. For example, as I recall, all six of the leaders of one of the Bavarian Socialist Republics were Jewish. To what extent did this contribute to an increase in antisemitism and to its radicalization? It’s unclear, for example, if Hitler’s antisemitism predated the war. Maybe it was only the spectacle of successive Jewish-engineered attempts at revolution that led him to formulate a world view in which the demonic Jew had a major role.

    Finally, German political life had just become a lot deadlier after the First World War. It became pretty routine for the Freikorps to just shoot Communists caught with arms out of hand. Obviously, when just killing your opponent starts falling within the range of options, a Holocaust becomes more conceivable.

    In any case, so far the closest thing I’ve seen to any actual offering of evidence was L.K.’s post. Obviously, simply applying more heat isn’t going to accomplish much — more light would be of use.

  222. Wielgus says:
    @L.K

    In some ways the Third Reich also had relaxed sexual mores. Homosexuality was persecuted, especially after the Night of the Long Knives, but if both partners were considered Aryan there was much less of a stigma towards heterosexual relations outside of wedlock, and even illegitimacy, than there had been previously.
    During the war German armed forces organised brothel services for their troops (apparently regarding this kind of thing as indispensible in case their troops turned to masturbation or, shudder, homosexuality) and it seems not all the employees of such establishments were voluntary recruits.
    According to De Jong, Berlin’s red light scene in Weimar was compared negatively with Budapest’s, said to have had the best red light district in the inter-war years. Yet Hungary was a right-wing dictatorship or semi-dictatorship, with Admiral Horthy being photographed solemnly together with the country’s Catholic prelates. De Jong does not mention why Budapest’s red light district was superior to Berlin’s other than noting clearly that it did have a red light district.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  223. German_reader says:
    @L.K

    imo it’s telling that the passages by Reed you cite seem to be referring solely to the situation in Berlin (a centre of the Jewish population in Germany), which he may have known from personal experience. But if he only realized the extent of Jewish economic influence there when the SA marked Jewish-owned shops, how exactly could he have known that one third of Germany’s private wealth was in Jewish hands? Did he visit all the other regional centres of Germany and repeat the exercise?
    And no, I’m not a philosemite, nor do I subscribe to notions of Germany’s unique depravity. I think there is often a sort of rational core to antisemitism (instead of the totally baseless prejudice against a saintly minority of the standard narrative), even if many antisemites tend to go off the rails eventually. What exactly that rational core in interwar Germany might have been (disproportionate Jewish economic influence, disproportionale role of Jews in subversive left-wing movements), is an interesting question. But I don’t think a serious study of the issue can be based solely on the kind of sources (vague statements by foreign journalists) adduced by Ron Unz and you here.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  224. @Malla

    There’s a much simpler path by which to undermine Aaron’s first claim that

    Unz exists primarily to stoke antisemitism, to deflect attention from actual elite policies which concentrate wealth and power in the hands of the few

    Were this the case, why haven’t the elite 1% advanced this agenda openly? Seems a bit counterintuitive to consign this initiative to a website that, in spite of its popularity, doesn’t reach a fraction of the audience of the mainstream media — which is owned lock, stock, and barrel by individuals of the 1%.

    Same thing with the second claim: most of the elite are fully on-board the secular liberal bandwagon where multiculturalism is concerned. So how is racial disunity accomplished by establishing one website that receives no attention in an elite-controlled mainstream media which is regularly promoting a secular liberal worldview of race relations?

    • Agree: Malla
  225. @L.K

    You noticed that too, eh? I thought it was only me.
    Good thing to see at least some people ain’t falling for it…

    Salam LK,

    Yes, Colin Wright is very apparent Hasbara and has been very apparent for a long time. He can and has been fooling other Muslims on this website, but he ain’t fooling this Muslim.

    You remember, the one who was disguised as a mexican thingy wh0 set up one of our esteemed and beloved brother and made him to leave this site due to misunderstanding with Ron. Then he went after Chuck. You and I both warned Chuck to thread it very, very carefully.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  226. @Colin Wright

    At the moment, for example, at least one person has denounced me as a ‘hasbarat.’ That would startle all those who think I’m actually kind of a bore with my monomaniacal hatred of Israel.

    But I guess I just don’t hate enough.

    LOL! With your VERY HIGH IQ, I am sure that you considered most of us on this site to be fools.

    You sure it is, one!

    You and Aaron have no light left in you, but my sister Fran Taubman is full of shinning light and she has now mellowed out and no longer uses foul language.

    Blessed be HaShem!

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  227. @AaronB

    ‘…Let’s say, an ethnic group that was composed of converts to Judaism, along with many who did not convert but were largely Judaized in culture and were on the whole patriotic Israelis, who were a tiny part of the population but a third of its high achievers, had accumulated a third of the wealth of Israel, would that breed resentment on the level it did in Germany?

    I’m inclined to say that Jewish nationalism is elastic enough to accommodate such a thing. Perhaps not, who knows…’

    ? Note you admit your hypothetical group would have to become Jews or at least Judaized to even be admitted to the country. Israel would never even permit a non-Jewish ethnic group to enter the country, let alone achieve high status.

    And this Jewish nationalism is ‘elastic?’ Your remark is literally farcical. It’s like Rommel’s proposal that Hitler appoint a Jewish gauleiter.

  228. @Larchmonter420

    ‘Yes, Colin Wright is very apparent Hasbara and has been very apparent for a long time. He can and has been fooling other Muslims on this website, but he ain’t fooling this Muslim…’

    Lol. Nosiree. No one’s going to pull the wool over your eyes.

    What is it? I don’t think the Holocaust happened? I believe there were planes in 9/11, and they really were piloted by Muslim terrorists?

    Sandy Hook? I don’t believe in Sandy Hook? Or do believe, I guess…

    Anyway, what’s the problem? Tell your good friend Colin. Then I can get together with Fran and Aaron and decide how we can fool you better…

  229. geokat62 says:

  230. AaronB says:
    @Malla

    Criticism of Jews and Israel is commonplace.

    What is not permitted, is crossing of certain lines, against communities that have historically been persecuted.

    What is also not permitted, is repeating things that have historically been used to justify assault against minorities.

    A liberal state, has an interest in balancing free speech with protections for minorities. Sometimes it will get the balance wrong, and its ok to question that, but its consistent with liberal principles to create such a balance.

    Much criticism of Israel is justified, but its an undeniable fact that criticism of Israel has become a vehicle for antisemitism. Various Jewish organizations have made an effort to distinguish between criticism, even if one disagrees with it, and criticism that is obvious antisemitism. It uses very basic principles of logic, proportionality, consistency, fairness, etc. Mostly its common sense. I urge you to acquaint yourself with this.

    [MORE]

    It is an unfortunate fact that criticism of Israel, which is perfectly legitimate and even healthy, has been hijacked by lunatic antisemites. For instance, when someone describes Israeli treatment of Palestinians as genocide, but will describe other conflicts in balanced and fair terms, something is fishy.

    What you are arguing for, is the freedom to say extremely vicious, defamatory and libelous things against Jews and Israel, not ordinary criticism, of the kind that traditionally led to persecution, attacks, and attempted genocide – which you claim is justified – and to do so not only without legal consequence, but without social consequence.

    What you want, is the kind of discourse found on Unz, which historically leads to massacres, not to be tolerated (it is), but to be nainstreamed, normalized, and socially accepted. And you are shocked, and cannot understand, why in a liberal state, there are social consequences for this.

    And that is perfectly ok – just that isn’t what a liberal society can permit. You say you understand left wing principles- but I don’t think you do.

    I am not trying to dissuade you from arguing for the creation of a racist, antisemitic, fascist state. I am merely explaining how a liberal state operates differently than a racist fascist state.

    As for the anti-White rhetoric, I agree that too isn’t consistent with liberal principles, but much less so. Whites are not a historically persecuted people, but a persecuting one (in the eyes of Leftists. Please don’t get emotional about this and point out all the ways Whites did good. All true, and I agree should be included in the conversation, but its undeniable that on balance, Whites were a conquering people ). The demonization of Whites is still terrible and inconsistent with liberal principles, and will obviously have consequences down the road. But since Leftist principles involves protecting the weak, the failures, etc, Whites have less “protected” status.

    You, however, respond by demonizing Jews and blacks, rather than rejecting the whole scheme of demonization.

    This suits the elite just fine.

    Racial conflict deflects attention away from class and economic conflict. The demonization of Whites, awful as it is, is extremely useful to the elites.

    Like an idiot, you fall right into the trap, and respond by demonizing Jews, blacks, whatever, which is exactly how you are expected to respond.

    The truly funny thing is, that many comments here betray familiarity with the tactic of creating division to better rule, yours included. Even as you understand this principle (and claim Jews used it in Europe), you cannot refrain from falling into the trap.

    Trust me, no one in the West is unaware that Blacks are a dysfunctional group, and everyone organizes their life accordingly. The “official ideology” of a society, is never meant to be taken seriously. Like Christian Europe, was hardly a turn the other cheek society.

    Only fools dont understand this, and get hung up on appearances.

    As for China, again – there is a strong current of admiration for China, heavily promoted by Ron, that plays very well into the elite agenda.

    To characterize the attitude here as merely skeptical of the US, is absurd.

    What you are, is a type of person long known to political anthropology- the “useful idiot”

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @Colin Wright
  231. Meanwhile, back to Jews in Weimar…

    I’m reading Julia Boyd’s Travelers in the Third Reich,’ which, the title notwithstanding, has a considerable section on Weimar Germany.

    Various travelers did notice how conspicuous Jewish domination of Germany was, although their observations seem to mainly pertain to Berlin. John Maynard Keynes, writing in 1926:

    [having discussed ‘good’ Jews, he goes to write: ‘Yet, if I lived there I felt I might turn anti-semitic for the poor Prussian is too slow and heavy on his legs for the other kind of Jews, the ones who are not imps but serving devils, with small horns, pitchforks, and oily tails…’[He added how unpleasant it was to see a civilization] ‘…so under the ugly thumbs of its impure Jew who has all the money and the power and the brain…’

    Then there’s a Cicely Hamilton:

    ‘A people that has suffered and is bitterly poor sees a race that climbs and flourishes upon the ruin of its own fortunes. Small wonder if envy does stir in its heart and it snarls accusations of profiteering against all who belong to the race. Is it not because he has fattened upon the miseries of others that Israel dwells lordly today in the Kurfürstendamm which was once the aristocratic quarter, the Mayfair of imperial Berlin?’

    See the ninety nine shops out of a hundred on the Kurfurstendamm supposedly being Jewish. Obviously, at least in Berlin, there was at least a perception that Jews had profited while gentile Germans suffered. One can immediately see a difference from Imperial Germany, where it had been more a matter of a rising tide lifting all boats — and if Jews profited, so did most others.

    The anti-semitism in the former situation would be relatively mild and essentially passive — few seem to have even gotten as far as actually proposing doing anything at all. The anti-semitism in Weimar would be both more desperate and more bitter — in a society in which threats of violence and actual violence had become routine. Doing much of anything to the Jews in Wilhelmine Germany would have been difficult to conceive and in any case, not really a matter of pressing urgency for any but a few quacks — something like our situation right now, if we are to be frank!

    Doing something about the Jews in Weimar could well have struck many as both important and perfectly practical.

    Here, one may speculate that if Israel ever does succeed in engaging us in a land war in Iran, that the results might lead to a situation analogous to Weimar. The results are likely to be catastrophic for America as well as Iran — and who would we blame?

    But there. Keep pushing for that war with Iran.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  232. geokat62 says:

    Racial conflict deflects attention away from class and economic conflict.

    You’ve got that exactly backwards, Aaron. Class and economic conflict deflects attention away from racial conflict. Hence the need for Marxism.

    What you are, is a type of person long known to political anthropology- the “useful idiot”

    What you are, is a type of person long known to political anthropology- the “hasbarat”

  233. @Larchmonter420

    Yes, Colin Wright is very apparent Hasbara and has been very apparent for a long time.

    I don’t find the evidence you’ve presented for this claim to be compelling at all.

    FWIW, there are many Muslims who also accept mainstream claims about Jewish suffering during WWII at face value. Should we dismiss these people as hasbaraites as well? Or should we say that they’ve simply derived conclusions on the basis of what they’ve learned to date? Does this necessarily place them in the Zionist camp?

    You’re not going to be able to convince everyone and sundry that nothing adverse happened to Jews under the Nazi aegis, just as you won’t convince me that Jews haven’t labored to distort the history of what happened back then. (Their boldfaced lies about Palestine’s history as well as laws criminalizing academic liberty are sufficient cause for doubting the standard Holocaust™ narrative.) I, for one, am not a Holocaust™ believer, but Colin’s departure from me in this respect is not an indication that his views are to be dismissed wholesale.

    It just means that Colin should be duly pilloried and made to endure the buffets of rotten tomatoes for an afternoon. 😀

    Ah, but what’s this?

    my sister Fran Taubman is full of shinning light and she has now mellowed out and no longer uses foul language

    Welcome back, Assad. Long time, no see.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  234. German_reader says:
    @Colin Wright

    Here, one may speculate that if Israel ever does succeed in engaging us in a land war in Iran, that the results might lead to a situation analogous to Weimar. The results are likely to be catastrophic for America as well as Iran — and who would we blame?

    That’s my opinion as well. Those stupid Zionists from the Foundation for the defense of democracies and similar outfits have no idea what they might be unleashing, their actions seem almost designed to retroactively prove Hitler correct about Jews as scheming war-mongers. If they ever succeed in bringing about a war with Iran, I think hardcore antisemitism could become much more common in Western countries. It could get very ugly (and given Israel’s nuclear weapons who knows where it might end).

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  235. AaronB says:
    @Ron Unz

    Based upon all available evidence, the fully environmentally-equalized IQ differences between Ashkenazi Jews and Germans is probably something like 3-5 points, perhaps even less if we properly weight the spatial component.

    I think you demonstrated Jewish IQ isn’t 115, but iirc you settled on 109 or 107.

    Either way, as you note, most Germans were peasants, whatever their IQ. Only a narrow sliver of the German population was urbanized and competing for the professions.

    It does not seem unlikely to me that Jews composed a substantial fraction of this urbanized group competing for positions in the big cities, far in excess of their share of the population.

    I also expect Jews had more ambition and were more “driven”, for various historical and social reasons.

    I actually do think the Germans had a “Jewish problem” on their hands, only the nationalist discourse of the time, and assumptions about race, were too rigid and limited to deal with this issue on a fruitful way.

    ‐————

    (To general readers)

    I dont know why it should be controversial to suggest European nationalism and racial attitudes of that time were exceptionally rigid and ultimately too flawed, and work on creating a better nationalism. Nationalism itself is a relatively new idea that emerged in the 19th century, as well as the prominence given to race – it wasn’t a mature ideology, and there is room for it to evolve.

    Its not surprising the first iteration of anything should be flawed.

    (Of course race and nationalism are ancient, only they were never given the same level of prominence, and were never used as principles of political orgajization, quite to that extent).

    Religions, cultures, philosophies and ideologies, evolve and reinvent themselves over time, and do not remain static.

    Rather than “returning”, who not adapt, develop, evolve.

    • Replies: @German_reader
  236. geokat62 says:

    WEIMAR MEETS AMERICA : A Study In National Collapse 
Interview With Joe Cortina – Ex Green Beret


    JOE CORTINA IS AN EX GREEN BERET, a former airborne special operations officer and US Army Training Center commander.

    Joe Cortina’s subsequent experiences as an intelligence investigator and anti-terrorist adviser brought him to such hotbeds of turmoil as the State of Israel, adjacent Middle East nations, and Central America.

    Joe Cortina’s Web Site, “My Name Is Joe Cortina,” is a showcase of crimes committed against humanity by the Zionist global elite.

    Br Nathanael: Is there a parallel between Germany’s Weimar Republic and America today?

    [MORE]

    Joe Cortina: Yes. The similarities of the situation are a warning direct from the wisdom of philosopher George Santana, “Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.”

    Br Nathanael: Let’s look at that history. Americans are hard pressed today. Was there anything like this among the Germans prior to the coming of the Third Reich in 1933?

    Joe Cortina: The Germans of the Weimar period were in a horrible situation: out of work – declining purchasing power of their currency – starved – humiliated – robbed of land and dominated by Jews to much the same extent as we now see in America.

    The Germans of that period were virtually all Christians with strong family values and a Christian work ethic.
    This is the case in America. However, with the media occupied by Jews – the courts controlled by Jews – and finance under the reign of Jews – all Christian expression is either stifled or ridiculed, and all opportunities for an expression of a White Christian work ethic has been shipped overseas by Jewish investment bankers.

    Br Nathanael: Let’s start with the media. Any parallels between Weimar and America today?
    Joe Cortina: Weimar’s media was controlled almost exclusively by Jews.

    The two largest German newspapers before 1933 were in Jewish hands: Leopold Ullstein – August Scherl – Rudolf Mosse. These Jews had a virtual monopoly on the German press.

    Their chief publication was the Berliner Tageblatt which for many years was looked upon abroad as representative of German public opinion.

    The editor of this paper was Theodor Wolff, a Jew, who also took a prominent part in politics. All editorials, all policy, all thought was totally under Jewish control – America’s sad state today.

    Br Nathanael: How about parallels in employment?

    Joe Cortina: There were no ‘unemployed Jews’ in the midst of mass unemployment since Jews would not get their hands ‘dirty’ to do honest hard work.

    The Jews led privileged lives of luxury while the average German struggled to keep his family fed. The Jewish statistician, Alfred Marcus, estimated the average Jewish income for 1930 as three times the average income of the rest of the population. Sound familiar?

    Br Nathanael: How about parallels in finance?

    Joe Cortina: Once again the Jew dominated and strangled the working German.

    First of all, the Jewish banker, Max Warburg, represented fallen Germany at Versailles and was instrumental in forming the Weimar Republic. Hugo Pruess, a Jew, wrote Weimar’s constitution.

    The result was that between 1925 and 1929 four of the six members of the controlling board of the Reichsbank directors were Jews including Jakob Goldschmidt and Rudolf Havenstein.

    With unpatriotic Jews at the head of Germany’s monetary policy, whose ties with international Jewry took precedence over Germany’s interests, hyperinflation set in and the German Mark became worthless. America is now about to experience its own “Weimar Moment.”

    Br Nathanael: And last, any similarities regarding moral degradation?

    Joe Cortina: The floodgates were opened for Jewish depravity when all barriers in the form of censorship during the monarchy were removed after Germany’s defeat in 1918.

    Then a torrent of immoral literature, films and plays poured into Germany, primarily nourished by Jews. Weimar Jewish poet, Stefan Zweig, feared a backlash against Jewry when he termed the transformation of Berlin “into the Babylon of the World.”

    “Even Rome of Suetonius never known such orgies as the pervert balls of Berlin,” observed Zweig, “where hundreds of men costumed as women and hundreds of women dressed as men danced under the benevolent eyes of the police.”

    Zweig had written to Martin Buber, saying, “It’s disgusting how Jews are taking everything by storm. Should it not be our responsibility to anticipate the justified Anti-semitic indignation and call our people back to their senses.”

    Br Nathanael: Can you be more specific regarding immoral literature, films and plays produced by German Jewry?

    Joe Cortina: Publishing houses like Benjamin Harz, Leon Hirsch, and Jacobsthal & Co, were putting out books that undermined Christian sexual mores.

    The titles say it all: “Sittengeschichte des Lasters” (History Of Morals and Vices), “Bilderlexikon der Erotic” (Picture Lexicon of Eroticism), “Sittengischichte des Geheime und Verbotene” (History of the Secret and the Forbidden).

    Jews, by the way, waged an energetic campaign for free abortion. Jews such as Dr Max Hodann, Dr Lothar Wolf, Martha Ruben-Wolf, and Alfons Goldschmidt wrote numerous articles encouraging abortion and birth control.

    Br Nathanael: Film and theatre?

    Joe Cortina: Leading the film and theatre business in Weimar were Jews such as Josef von Sternberg, Bertolt Brecht, Erich Pommer, and a host of other Jewish purveyors of filth.

    A random choice of film and theatre titles sheds light on the spirit of Jewish-produced depravity during the Weimar period: “Sundige Mutter” (Sinful Mama), “Wenn Ein Weib Den Weg Verliert” (When A Woman Loses Her Way), “Zieh Dich Aus” (Get Undressed) – “Tausend Nackte Frauen” (One Thousand Naked Women).

    But once Hitler came into power, he put an end to the endless filth coming out of the Jewish film and theatre industry. But for now there’s no end to the filth coming out of Jewish Hollywood.

    Br Nathanael: Can you sum it all up for us?

    Joe Cortina: What the Jews did to the Germans during the Weimar period they are now doing to the American people.

    They have stolen our wealth – our freedoms – our prosperity – our traditions – our moral character – our honor, our wholesomeness, and our Christian heritage.

    Should a strong new voice of clarity and conviction appear and convince me and my family that he could and would lead us out of this occupation by aliens and unite our people in a just cause – ending Jewish influence – I would follow him since there is no other choice – no other hope – you’re damn right I would.
    Perhaps Jewry would do well to learn a lesson from Weimar and how it was addressed by the Third Reich – because next time it just might be the whole world screaming for justice and an end of Jewry’s evil. This time, once and for all!

    https://www.realjewnews.com/?p=599

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  237. @AaronB

    Criticism of Jews and Israel is commonplace.

    Commonplace?

    In public schools? At public events? In the mainstream media? Seriously?

    What is not permitted, is crossing of certain lines, against communities that have historically been persecuted.

    Even that’s permitted, but not without significant cost to one’s reputation, livelihood, or both.

    I don’t know why I bother, really. Your post is like a blizzard of bullshit into which one may enter only with the most durable of hazmat suits. Save to illustrate this fact, it’s a complete waste of time, particularly when your argument collapses out of the gate.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @AaronB
  238. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    Either way, as you note, most Germans were peasants, whatever their IQ.

    That’s a pretty dumb statement, Germany was one of the most advanced industrial economies in Europe by the early 20th century. Jews had a disproportionate representation in the professions, but it wasn’t like in some parts of Eastern Europe where Jews were an urban bourgeoisie sharply separated from the agricultural masses (admittedly that makes it harder to explain why antisemitism took such a particularly hard turn in Germany).

    Nationalism itself is a relatively new idea that emerged in the 19th century

    That’s disputed. There’s a fairly interesting book which makes the opposite case:
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/nations/15A0C502D17FD36C38A52449CDBA7757
    It’s by an Israeli, so you probably needn’t be scared of WN thought in it.

    Anyway, imo you’re putting an undue burden on nationalists (or “nationalists”). The burden of having to justify one’s position should never be on those who seek to prevent the fundamental transformation of their societies, but on those who agitate for radical change through mass immigration. It’s them who are advocating a crazy experiment which is likely to have extremely negative consequences.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  239. @AnonStarter

    Welcome back, Assad. Long time, no see.

    I had many persona on this site and my name is Mohamed. When I joined this site, I said that I am a Shia, also that Iran and USA are in cahoots. Everyone came after me including Ron, because how can a Shia believe as such. Your friend Talha came after me with a vengeance and Ron kept burning my persona. But I persisted and now I am holding my head high.

    Who said that the Jews didn’t suffer in WWII?

    The whole mankind and world suffered, including the Muslims too. But Christians suffered the most. In the last 100 years, almost 200 million Christians have perished. They the Christians have suffered the most and no one talks about their suffering. Most of these 2oo million Christians were whites.

    The funny part is no one has asked me that why as a Shia, I believe that Iran and USA are in cahoots.

    Yes, sister Fran is very precious because she is a JAP. You can ask her what JAP means!

    God bless KSA and MSB who have thrown the Imperial Dynasty of Abu Sufyan (Omayyad) under the fast train. Especially, the first Emperor Muawiya and second Emperor Yazid, both of Omayyad were the first ones thrown under the fast approaching train!

  240. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    So, according to you, Jews stifle criticism of Israel.

    But starting after the 67 war, there was intense, severe criticism of Israel in the American and European media. This was particularly true of Europe, which was overwhelmingly hostile to Israel, but true of American media as well.

    I remember in the 90s how the NYT was severely critical of Israel.

    How could any of this be the case if Jews aren’t allowing criticism of Israel?

    The post-Oslo period, saw a gradual reduction in severe criticism of Israel. Partially it was just fatigue – the world moved on. Partially it was that with the advent of social media the reality, of a multi racial, multi cultural “cool” Israel became apparent.

    It became impossible for some Swede to imagine blond, blue eyed Israeli “colonists” fighting “natives”. Tel Aviv became one of the gay capitals of the world, with more vegan restaurants than anywhere else, and women were obviously prominent in society, etc, etc.

    Partially it was because of Arab rejection of peace and violence after Oslo, and Israel demonstrating a willingness to withdraw from places like Lebankn and Gaza, giving the lie to the charge it was expansionist.

    Now, today we live in a time when there is increasingly severe social consequences for challenging liberal principles. I don’t agree with that, but its a fact. It just so happens, that Jews, and modern liberal Israel, finds itself at least mildly, on the “right” side of the divide. So it isn’t any surprise that there is an increasing attempt to impose docial costs on extreme criticism of Israel and Jews.

    Before you look for a conspiracy, it pays to see if behavior is explainable in terms of internal consistency. I think most people here simply do not understand the Leftist mythology and world view, and are lost in the right wing mentality.

    Even today, criticism of Israel is not in the least unusual and there is no attempt to shut it down, except for the extreme type.

    Let me ask you a simple question – why is it that a website like Unz, which allows complete freedom of expression on Jews and Israel, becomes a haven almost entirely for the extreme antisemitism?

    If normal, moderate criticism of Israel is being suppressed in the mainstream, wouldn’t such people also seek refuge at Unz?

    Yet we find only the extremists here. Even if you agree with the extremists here, you must admit that Unz it is almost entirely extremists with regard to Israel and Jews.

    Thats because all criticism short of the extreme, deligetimizing, kind, is welcome in the mainatream.

    Your narrative makes no sense. Didn’t some European countries recently ban Kosher slaughtering? How could a Jewish World Order allow this?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AnonStarter
  241. @German_reader

    If they ever succeed in bringing about a war with Iran, I think hardcore antisemitism could become much more common in Western countries.

    LOL, USA and war with Iran. You are joking, right!

    Iran and USA are best of friends and very chummy with each other. In fact, after 9/11, USA removed Iran’s two biggest enemies from earth. Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Taliban of Afghanistan.

    Also, it included Qaddafi of Libya. But left both Assad of Syria and NasrAllah of Lebanon intact. USA invited back Russia to Middle East for the protection of Assad.

    Mohamed

    Blessed be HaShem!

    • Disagree: L.K
    • Replies: @L.K
  242. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Okay, relatively speaking, Germany had fewer peasants than Eastern Europe, but it was still very much a peasant and proletarian society. Most of society was not competing for professional positions in the great urban centers.

    Actually, the larger German professional class does explain the greater antisemitism. It was basically a competition among elites. The common people always get screwed by the elites, whether Jewish or German.

    But the Gernan elite wanted to screw their own people, and not share that task with the Jews. For the average German peasant or factory worker, it makes no difference who owns that big fancy house on the boulevard. He has no chance.

    Its well know that terrorists come from the rising professional classes, and not the oppressed and exploited people. And anti-colonial movements were led by local elites who wanted for themselves the right to exploit their natives.

    The German elite, in its competition with Jews (who in Europe formed an elite, a head without a body), was victorious.

    It was a fight that could have been resolved better.

    Anyway, imo you’re putting an undue burden on nationalists (or “nationalists”). The burden of having to justify one’s position should never be on those who seek to prevent the fundamental transformation of their societies, but on those who agitate for radical change through mass immigration. It’s them who are advocating a crazy experiment which is likely to have extremely negative consequences.

    I agree with this in principle.

    But nationalism and racialism were themselves innovations, not ancient orders. And it can be argued, that those things have been tested and found wanting (workd wars, genocide), so the burden is now upon them to show how they are workable.

  243. @AaronB

    ‘…Much criticism of Israel is justified, but its an undeniable fact that criticism of Israel has become a vehicle for antisemitism…’

    If you said ‘criticism of Israel is a route to anti-semitism,’ you might have a point.

    That one, you should think about. But feel free not to. I won’t make you.

  244. @AaronB

    ‘So, according to you, Jews stifle criticism of Israel…’

    Lol…really!

    You’re priceless, Aaron. You could be on one of those British comedy shows.

    • Agree: AnonStarter
  245. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    It was a fight that could have been resolved better.

    Sure, the Nazi solution certainly can’t be condoned.

    And it can be argued, that those things have been tested and found wanting (workd wars, genocide)

    That’s a bit of a strawman. I think most “nationalists” in Western Europe would settle for some form of compromise in the form of an end to mass immigration and recognition of the collective interests of native majorities. Few people can look forward to a race war or the conflict forcible mass deportations would entail after all.
    However the establishment seems incapable of compromise or even the slightest course correction, instead it’s always just more repression and steady escalation of the programme it has embarked on. imo the extremism you see on sites like UR is to a large extent a reaction to that total intransigence and the feeling of powerlessness it causes. I don’t see a way out of this tbh, things have already gone too far. Either way it will probably end badly.

  246. @Ron Unz

    ‘…Admittedly, tested IQs are substantially dependent upon environmental factors such as affluence and urbanization, and German Jews were generally affluent and also very heavily urbanized compared to most ordinary Germans, especially the substantial peasantry. But even maximizing the possible impact of those factors, I just can’t believe that the 1% Jewish population represented more than 4-5% of the highest IQ stratum of the national population.’

    There’s also what I would call the ‘blacks don’t think’ principle. While IQ is primarily genetic, I’d say there is a cultural component. Many blacks wouldn’t care much at all whether or not they posted a high score on an IQ test — most Jews would be determined to do as well as possible. That would be the extreme case.

    I’ve compared Fran to a typical German housefrau of the German era — not too bright, but definitely a true believer.

    So…okay. Force Fran and force a similarly low-wattage gentile German to take an IQ test. Fran is going to be desperate to do as well as possible; gentile German is going to shrug, do what you apparently want, and then ask if she can leave now. Among other things, her sense of self-esteem isn’t neurotically dependent on a belief that she is exceptionally intelligent.

    I’d guess Fran will, as a result, score a few points higher than her gentile twin. Does that mean she is smarter? Not necessarily.

    What I’m saying is that while I’d agree that on average Ashkenazim are perceptibly smarter than gentiles, that effect is probably somewhat exaggerated by a culturally induced determination to do as well as possible on such measures. So if German Jews had an average IQ of 109, and German gentiles an average IQ of 100, that could reflect a smaller actual difference in intelligence: 104 versus 100?

  247. @AaronB

    after the 67 war

    ’67? What happened to coverage of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty back then? Or the subsequent whitewashing of the event?

    Any ideas?

    I remember in the 90s how the NYT was severely critical of Israel.

    Severely? Not in the least.

    I also remember how, throughout this same decade, the NYT neutralized any criticism of Israel with commentary supportive of it. The NYT is milquetoast where this topic is concerned. When Israel is the party primarily responsible for the conflict, such neutrality doesn’t function to properly affect a change in its conduct.

    Even today, criticism of Israel is not in the least unusual and there is no attempt to shut it down, except for the extreme type.

    Complete and utter nonsense.

    Read Paul Findley’s They Dare to Speak Out or Walt and Mearsheimer’s The Israel Lobby for a primer on how Israel does everything it can to shut down entirely legitimate criticism of Israel. Findley’s book was published in the eighties. The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs is another non-extremist source of information that thoroughly eviscerates your statement.

    Your own narrative is wholly inconsistent. You say that the elite, who own the mainstream media, want to divert attention from themselves toward Jews in an effort to stoke anti-Semitism and that this website exists for that purpose.

    Yet if such is the agenda, then why haven’t they given a platform for such “extremist”, anti-Semitic expression in the very media that they own and control? Seems a bit ridiculous to consign this objective to a few webzines, no?

    As I said … A blizzard of bullshit: straw man fallacies heaped upon anecdotal evidence stirred in with a maelstrom of falsehood.

    Keep it up, Aaron. One day, you just might convince yourself of what you have to say.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
    , @L.K
  248. @geokat62

    ‘The University of Pennsylvania’s Dr. Harald Schmidt told the NY Times older people are “whiter.” Thus, “Instead of giving them the vaccine, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”…’

    The good doctor Schmidt isn’t alone, either. From the same NYT article:

    ‘…“To me the issue of ethics is very significant, very important for this country,” Dr. Peter Szilagyi, a committee member and a pediatrics professor at the University of California, Los Angeles, said at the time, “and clearly favors the essential worker group because of the high proportion of minority, low-income and low-education workers among essential workers.”…’

    Note why we should save ‘essential workers’ first. Not because they’re essential, but because, among other things, they tend to be minorities.

    This stuff is indicative. A mindset has taken over the ruling classes in the country that cannot be tolerated.

  249. @AnonStarter

    Just to gauge Aaron’s understanding of “extremism” …

    The BDS movement’s objective is to compel Israel to comply with international law. He calls this an “act of war.” In other words, the effort to make Israel’s conduct lawful constitutes violent, unlawful aggression — in Aaron’s vocabulary, “extremism.”

    Jonathan Cook is a regular columnist here who supports BDS. By Aaron’s yardstick, he is an “extremist” simply for so doing.

    That’s a fairly representative sample of Aaron’s own extremist approach to the subject of criticizing Israel.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  250. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    Ok, so of Israel is working so hard to ban sane, balanced, fair, moderate, criticism of Israel, all that material should be showing up on Unz, right?

    But all we get on Unz, is extremist hatred of Jews and Israel. Obviously, that’s the level of criticism that is being excluded from the mainatream.

    I understand that you want to mainstream and normalize destroying Israel, and others here want to mainstream and normalize Nazi attitudes to Jews.

    But you are clearly wildly exaggerating that all criticism of Jews and Israel is excluded from the mainstream. Only extreme stuff that calls for destruction of Israel or Naxi tier Jew hatred.

    If you want to harshly criticize Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians, you’ll easily get published, although people aren’t so interested anymore.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  251. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    BDS iswotking for the destruction of Israel. It wants the descendents of Palestinian refugees, numbering in the millions, to come to Israel for the first time.

    Moreover, BDS isn’t speech. It is trying to get others to take concrete action against Israel leading to its dismantling.

    I’d call that extreme, but thats not the point.

    If its totally legitimate for BDS to persuade someone to not trade with Israel, then isn’t it totally legitimate for Israel to try and persuade anyone the can to not deal with BDS?

    BDS is trying to make organizations, governments, etc, not deal with Israel. Israel is trying to make organizations, governments, etc, and their employees, not deal with BDS.

    What’s the problem? That you’re losing?

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @AnonStarter
  252. L.K says:
    @AnonStarter

    As I said … A blizzard of bullshit: straw man fallacies heaped upon anecdotal evidence stirred in with a maelstrom of falsehood.

    Add to that the fact this clown has limitless time to post his stinking Zionist/Israeli PROPAGANDA on the Internet.

    But since this thread is largely dead, few people are reading his shit and getting infected by it.

    If this loser is getting paid, the Zionists are wasting their money.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  253. L.K says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Iran and USA are best of friends and very chummy with each other. In fact, after 9/11, USA removed Iran’s two biggest enemies from earth. Saddam Hussein of Iraq and Taliban of Afghanistan.

    Also, it included Qaddafi of Libya. But left both Assad of Syria and NasrAllah of Lebanon intact. USA invited back Russia to Middle East for the protection of Assad.

    Jesus Christ, buddy!!

    A truly preposterous statement which does not even pass the smile test!

    Perhaps you should not call Colin a Hasbara after all…

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  254. @geokat62

    ‘The University of Pennsylvania’s Dr. Harald Schmidt told the NY Times older people are “whiter.” Thus, “Instead of giving them the vaccine, we can start to level the playing field a bit.”‘

    It occurs to me; I wonder where Jews rank? Age profile-wise?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  255. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    BDS is working for the destruction of Israel.

    No, just as in South Africa, BDS is working for the destruction of Apartheid.

    Did you support imposing sanctions against SA to dismantle apartheid? If so, why don’t you support imposing sanctions against the Zionist regime to dismantle apartheid there?

    • Thanks: mark green, Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  256. @AaronB

    Ok, so of Israel is working so hard to ban sane, balanced, fair, moderate, criticism of Israel, all that material should be showing up on Unz, right?

    Most of it does. You simply harbor an extremist perspective of it, which is why you call it “extremist.”

    And any objective analysis of the material and your own statements will prove me correct. Safe to say you haven’t come anywhere close to proving the rest of your claims, so I’ll leave it at that.

  257. @AaronB

    ‘Okay, relatively speaking, Germany had fewer peasants than Eastern Europe, but it was still very much a peasant and proletarian society. Most of society was not competing for professional positions in the great urban centers…’

    Aaron…

    you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Promise.

    What the hell makes you assume Jews were part of some aristocratic elite? In point of fact, many were fresh out of the shtetls of Eastern Europe. Others had promptly emigrated from the formerly Polish provinces Prussia had acquired at the end of the eighteenth century into the rest of Prussia’s holdings.

    You’re wrong on both ends. Gentile Germany was one of the most advanced societies in the world, with a large and educated middle class, the most erudite scholars in the world, etc, etc. The Jews in Germany were not uniformly old money — to say the least.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  258. geokat62 says:
    @Colin Wright

    It occurs to me; I wonder where Jews rank?

    Where do Jews rank? Above the goyim in all things, blessed be HaShem!

    • LOL: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  259. @AaronB

    BDS iswotking for the destruction of Israel.

    No, it’s working to get Israel to comply with international law. You wrongly construe it as “the destruction of Israel” because Israel is a scofflaw that occupies and controls territory in defiance of internationally recognized legal conventions.

    Moreover, BDS isn’t speech.

    It’s political expression protected by the First Amendment, as repeatedly affirmed by SCOTUS. In seeking to penalize or criminalize BDS, Israel militates against Constitutional law.

    If its totally legitimate for BDS to persuade someone to not trade with Israel, then isn’t it totally legitimate for Israel to try and persuade anyone the can to not deal with BDS?

    Israel isn’t just trying to persuade others. It’s compelled the ratification of law effectively punishing individuals, companies, and universities for participating in BDS. In the case of universities, it’s chilling academic liberty and freedom of expression.

    Big difference.

    • Agree: Colin Wright, Nisbe
    • Thanks: mark green, L.K
  260. @geokat62

    ‘No, just as in South Africa, BDS is working for the destruction of Apartheid…’

    I think it’s somewhat unfair to compare Israel’s behavior to apartheid.

    Apartheid is more or less what the Palestinians wish they could get.

  261. AaronB says:

    BDS: Boycott Israel!

    Israel: Boycott BDS.

    BDS: Not fair! My free speech rights are being violated!

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  262. @L.K

    If this loser is getting paid, the Zionists are wasting their money.

    I think the guy knows he’s dishonest from jumpstreet.

    He could be doing this just to have his buddies harvest whatever data is made available in the process. I’ve seen that happen before.

    I just don’t care that much about it, since I get online fully aware that privacy is a chimera. Plus, he can be a great foil for the purpose of edifying our audience.

    You see, Aaron? I always knew there was something good about you. 😎

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  263. Israel: BDS should be legally punished!

    BDS: Israel should be legally punished.

    Israel: Anti-Semites!

    • LOL: AaronB
  264. @AaronB

    ‘BDS: Boycott Israel!

    Israel: Boycott BDS.

    BDS: Not fair! My free speech rights are being violated!’

    List the states that have passed laws requiring those who receive funds to promise to boycott Israel.

  265. Glad to see we’re keeping you amused, Aaron. Some more “entertainment” for you:

    WATCH: Armed Jewish Settlers Attack Palestinian Homes in Hebron

    Dozens of armed Jewish settlers, escorted by Israeli occupation soldiers, attacked today several Palestinian homes after raiding the neighborhood of Tel Rumeida in the city of Hebron (Al-Khalil), according to the Palestinian news agency WAFA.

    WAFA correspondent said the illegal Jewish settlers pelted stones at the homes, shouted profanities and racist slogans at Palestinian citizens and threatened to evict them out of the neighborhood.

    Oh, I forgot … This is all taken out of context, isn’t it?

    Surely, there must be something in the Israeli press exculpating these poor, persecuted, misunderstood settlers, no?

    Funny how we post news like this every single day and you have yet to frame even one event “in its proper context.”

    Rib-splitting hilarity, isn’t it?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  266. AaronB says:
    @AnonStarter

    The short video clips show a bunch of soldiers and civilians milling about. There is some shouting in the background. Its completely unclear what is happening. It looks like it might be the aftermath of some kind of confrontation, with the videos providing no context whatsoever. No violence is evident.

    Probably what happened is Arabs attacked or harrassed Jews, probably children and women, and the army and armed settlers had to come restore order.

    That’s the general pattern of events in Hebron. Less commonly, some settlers may be making a show of force in response to some Arab attack the day before or something, and the soldiers are coming to restore order.

    Its truly unfortunate that an Arab city of tens of thousands cannot accept a few thousand Jews living in their midst. Hebron had a Jewish community living there since ancient times until the Arab massacre in 1929.

    Thank God they are back, and this time have an army to protect them.

  267. German_reader says:
    @AaronB

    Its truly unfortunate that an Arab city of tens of thousands cannot accept a few thousand Jews living in their midst.

    Sounds a bit one-sided, as if there was no reason at all to dislike settlers in the Hebron area:
    https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/the-mystery-of-baruch-goldstein

    But in the 25 years since the massacre, Goldstein has enjoyed a strange and thoroughly unexpected afterlife. His gravesite, in a local park—the army refused to allow Goldstein’s family to bury him in the communal cemetery, wishing to deter potential pilgrims from praying at his tomb—draws throngs of admirers nonetheless, some of whom erected an unauthorized mausoleum of sorts to their hero. Many more named their children Baruch, and some, like Itamar Ben-Gvir, who is currently running for the Knesset with the far-right Otzma Yehudit party, have his portrait hanging on their living room walls.

    I wonder if that sort of people are also representatives of Israel’s inclusive nationalism?

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AnonStarter
  268. AaronB says:
    @German_reader

    Goldstein was a dangerous lunatic, but he acted only after extreme provocation. He was a medic, and saw on the daily basis the results of constant Arab attacks. He eventually snapped.

    The Arabs of Hebron are, unfortunately, a particularly vicious bunch who would regularly attack the handful of Jewish families who repopulated the ancient Jewish community there, which had been wiped out in the massacre of 29.

    The people who admire him, represent the dark and nasty side of Zionism. While its possible to understand why he snapped, to actually admire him or make him into a hero is shameful. His actions was an indefensible atrocity.

    Thankfully, this is not mainstream Zionism. All mainstream Zionists condemned him. Unfortunately, any large human collective will have its dark fringe.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  269. @Wielgus

    ‘…In some ways the Third Reich also had relaxed sexual mores…’

    Often, the standard applied tends to be the traditional Anglo-American one. By that, everyone had relaxed sexual mores. My impression is that traditional Germany could have been considered to have had relaxed sexual mores.

    However, there’s relaxed, and there’s relaxed. Neither before or since does there seem to have been anything like Weimar Berlin.

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  270. @geokat62

    Where do Jews rank? Above the goyim in all things, blessed be HaShem!

    Touché

  271. Wielgus says:
    @Colin Wright

    In WW2, almost everyone was relatively relaxed. Servicemen who might not have sought out prostitutes in civilian life did so as a result of being separated from wives or girl friends, women who might not have engaged in prostitution otherwise did so to alleviate wartime hardships. Not surprisingly STDs skyrocketed. Perhaps fortunately treatments for them improved, with penicillin becoming widespread towards the end of the war.

  272. Wielgus says:
    @German_reader

    Berlin was atypical. In the November 1932 election (the last completely free one before the Nazis came to power) it was the only place where the KPD had a plurality of votes – still only about 30%, Weimar electoral politics being highly fragmented. Its national total was 16.9%.
    The Grenadierstrasse in Berlin had a reputation as being both a Jewish centre and a centre of buying and selling and a certain amount of sharp practice. The Jews were predominantly from Poland and further east. There was no ghetto district, however.
    In contrast to Berlin, there were many parts of Germany where Jews were virtually non-existent.

    • Agree: German_reader
  273. Oh…, the Jews are supportive of multicultural societies? 🤔Refer to article, below.

    https://national-justice.com/new-documentary-sheds-light-israels-strict-prohibitions-interracial-marriage

    • Replies: @geokat62
  274. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Great article, Chuck.

    Here’s the 25 min documentary that formed the basis of the article.

    Israelis want to marry but can’t:

    Description:

    In Israel marriage can only be approved by religious rabbinate courts. Also, marriage must be based on the Jewish religion. However, not all Israelis according to the Chief Rabbinate are Jewish including immigrants and converts, among others. This has been the case since 1947, the generations then understood. But now, the younger generations and with the influx of Soviet immigrants things are changing and not necessarily for the better.

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  275. @AaronB

    Probably what happened

    You forget something.

    Jews are always keen to exploit any event that might make them look innocent and Arabs guilty. This is a consistent pattern that is evident throughout their propaganda.

    Now, day after day, there are reports of Israeli malfeasance throughout the Occupied Territories. If what you say is true, we would surely see some kind of counter-reporting to balance the Palestinian news feeds.

    But, by and large, there has been nothing — no reporting whatsoever from the settlements by which to support your baseless speculation.

    Palestinians are providing regular news of Jewish crimes that have been corroborated by independent, international monitors.

    You provide “probably” and “may”.

    I think I’ll stick with the former.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  276. @German_reader

    Thank you for mentioning this.

    Yes, Goldstein has many of his likeness there. Some Hebron snapshots from Joshua Stacher of the Middle East Research and Information Project:

    https://merip.org/2016/09/hebron-the-occupations-factory-of-hate/

    Down an alley, the shopkeepers have strung chicken wire to shield themselves from rocks or garbage tossed down by the settlers living above. A sack of excrement sits atop one cage. Turning left, barbed wire is everywhere in the walled-off gold market. The fenced balconies above belong to settlers.

    One vendor lives in a building looking out upon a playground for settler children. He cannot leave his house unattended, he says, for fear that settlers will firebomb it. They once tried such an attack while he was home, terrifying his family. Another time, settlers threw a bag of snakes through his window. He plays a video saved on his smartphone showing the incidents in question. …

    The scene gets stranger after the checkpoint: One settler in running clothes is doing hill repeats. Another woman wearing a uniform with the name of the settlement is waiting. She starts filming the Western visitors with her smartphone. “What’s wrong? My camera does not hurt more than yours.” She draws closer. “My family lived here until 1929 when the Arabs massacred them.” Another woman shouts in an unmistakable Brooklyn accent, “What do you want? Why are you here? If you wanna see how the Arabs live, go to Syria.”

    [MORE]

    Here there are schools, a soccer pitch and omnipresent Israeli flags. The graffiti shows the Jewish temple rebuilt in Jerusalem. Neither the al-Aqsa mosque nor the Dome of the Rock is depicted, though these structures now stand on the presumptive site. Above the image is a quote from the Passover Haggadah, “Build the Temple quickly and in our time.” Bumper stickers demand the release of Meir Ettinger, a grandson of Meir Kahane who was jailed in connection with a firebombing that killed an 18-month old Palestinian baby named ‘Ali Dawabsha. Haaretz describes Ettinger as the “number-one Jewish suspect of terrorism” in the eyes of the Shinbet, Israel’s internal security service. On June 1, he was let go after ten months in administrative detention. Other signs refer to the settlement’s land as “stolen by Arabs” in 1929. The driver of a passing Subaru shouts out the window, “This is Jewish property.” Palestinians are forbidden to drive in H2.

    Lest we imagine that the Arabs of Hebron are lying about Jewish aggression there …

    If visitors to Hebron are few, there is plenty of documentation of what happens here. Christian Peacemaker Teams, an ecumenical group based in Chicago, keeps a team in Hebron that, among other activities, accompanies Palestinian children to school. The children often encounter settler harassment. Breaking the Silence, an Israeli organization of anti-occupation ex-soldiers, conducts regular tours of the city as well as the southern Hebron hills. Most soldiers despise being posted to Hebron, but many of them recognize that soldiers and settlers are partners in the project of colonization. As Breaking the Silence has commented about the West Bank in general,

    The security forces do not see the settlers as civilians subject to law enforcement but as a powerful body that shares common goals. Even when the wishes of the settlers and the military are at odds, they still ultimately consider each other as partners in a shared struggle and settle their conflict through compromise. As a consequence, the security forces usually acquiesce in the settlers’ goals, if only partially. Thus, settler violence against Palestinians is not treated as an infraction of the law. It is instead one more way in which Israel exercises control in the Territories. [7. Breaking the Silence, Our Harsh Logic: Israeli Soldiers’ Testimonies from the Occupied Territories, 2000-2010 (Picador, 2012), p. 5.]

    Another organization, the Temporary International Presence in Hebron (TIPH), files daily reports on the situation in the city. Established by the 1997 accord, TIPH has a staff of Danish, Italian, Norwegian, Swedish, Swiss and Turkish observers who carry out two or three shifts per day. Once, there were as many as 180 people on staff; today, there are 64. All have diplomatic immunity. The civilian observers patrol H1 and H2 by car and on foot. Their mandate from Israel and the PA is clear: They are to watch but not to interfere. TIPH organizes tours for outside delegations, though the Israeli government complains when it considers the number excessive. The organization also engages in community relations like the underused “peace park.” Settlers and Palestinians alike disdain TIPH as ineffective.

    And why do Palestinians think this?

    The cornerstone of TIPH’s mission is to write down what it sees. There are incident reports, monthly reviews and quarterly assessments. The documentation is distributed to the Israeli government, the PA and the governments of the six countries that supply the observers. According to one staffer interviewed in May, TIPH monitors have authored over 20,000 reports since 1997. The reports are not classified but they are confidential: No one but Israel, the PA and the TIPH member governments can read them.

    If the reports are not public, what good are they? TIPH personnel shrug—perhaps governments have more latitude to share private information. The member states are afraid that publicizing the reports will anger “the parties to the conflict,” a term implicitly understood to mean Israel. One joke is that the documents are locked in a vault in Oslo. In any case, the settlers and soldiers behave noticeably better when TIPH personnel are around, giving some respite to the besieged Palestinians.

    So we have international monitors as well as IDF veterans supporting Palestinian claims of Jewish aggression while Israel has itself and its captive PA suppressing public release of reports that corroborate these claims.

    Now if all things are actually “balanced” in Hebron, then Aaron should be able to provide us with similar documentation that corroborates his own perspective.

    Most likely, however, we’ll get either deflection or crickets.wav.

  277. @AaronB

    Thankfully, this is not mainstream Zionism.

    Sure, it is.

    Mainstream Zionists such as gambling magnate Irving Moskowitz and Häagen-Dazs ice cream creator Ruth Mattus have donated large sums of money to the Jewish Communal Fund, from which the Jewish settlers’ organization in Hebron derives much of its wealth:

    New York charity abets Israeli settler violence

    In Hebron, guys like Goldstein and Kahane are superheroes, and there’s no possible way that Moskowitz and Mattus didn’t know this before lavishing their wealth upon the settlers. Not surprisingly, the Hebron Fund — the main focus of the same article — fears transparency.

    Which means it’s certain there are many more mainstream Zionists funding it in full knowledge of settler extremism. It’s the same reason Netanyahu ordered international monitors out of Hebron: transparency is bad for Zionism.

    Were it otherwise, they’d have nothing to fear from it.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  278. obvious says:
    @Kolya Krassotkin

    There is no such thing as “right”, and everybody must seek his own interests first. I would rather deal with actually self-interested people, rather than the merely self absorbed.

    http://greatthoughtstreasury.com/author/lord-palmerston-henry-john-temple-3rd-viscount-palmerston

  279. Jila says: • Website
    @G J T

    Exactly and even more sinister is that there is absolutely no evidence for historical Israel.
    https://foreignpolicytruth.com/no-evidence-for-historical-israel/

  280. Jila says: • Website
    @AaronB

    You: “I dont understand, why you cant become creative and work within current paradigms to achieve your goals. You have to work with the grain, not against it, and you guys are doing nothing but frontal challenging paradigms, making no concessions, and working against the grain.”

    Throughout history there’s not another group more delusional than yours. You don’t see how you exemplify exactly that which you accuse others of. Criminal Imbeciles think they are creative :)))) and going with the grain :))))

  281. Jila says: • Website
    @Commentator Mike

    Because it’s the Zionist controlled media that pushes all “activism” for their identity politics. People don’t even find out anything to protest against unless those Jews want it so.

  282. Jila says: • Website
    @AnonStarter

    Israel is nothing but a long planned outpost for banking oligarchy to capture resource rich Middle East. Jewish victimhood is a repeatedly used lie – from Purim, Hanukkah … to Russian pogroms to so called holocaust.. all paying dividends up to today. Since invading Palestine they’ve been purposefully maintaining Palestinian suffering as pretext to their victimhood charade via which they insure further global support for their aggression into ALL nations of Middle East (and North Africa and virtually every other!)

  283. @AaronB

    The most likely reason that Ron Unz and UR aren’t subjected to open vigorous attack by ADL and friends is that they don’t want to give him publicity and the proof that his arguments need to be answered. And they fear that they would need to devote a huge proportion of their limited amount of high grade intellectual horse power (which might
    not even be enough) to knock him out of the ring for a while at some critical point – after which they could foresee him making a dangerous comeback.

  284. @AaronB

    Your mention of the Holocaust inspires me to ask a couple of questions that have recently occurred to me.

    The use made of the Holocaust narrative is often portrayed as cynically tendentious and opportunistic but… does a large majority of Israelis and Diaspora Jews believe something close to the story protected by law in many European countries? And, in Israel how does the Holocaust story sit with non Ashkenazi perceptions and concerns?

  285. @Philip Giraldi

    Ah, I have your attention, and it is out of respect that I seek your comment on the following article in (Murdoch’s) The Australian which seems to me quite honestly to bring up a real difficulty in how Israel should seek a peaceful secure future. (I am mindful of the fact that my rabbi friend who holidays regularly in Israel described the “situation” as “hopeless:” , relating to the Palestinians I thin). My own pie in the sky prescription is for a one state solution on quite cunning constitutional terms (which might not appease Iran anyway) but I would like to know yours.

    [MORE]

    By JASON THOMAS

    12:00AM OCTOBER 12, 2020

    The argument that the paramilitary wing of Hezbollah, an Iranian-backed terrorist killing machine, is separate from its political wing – as the Australian government proclaims – is absurd.

    All Hezbollah’s limbs are clearly, obviously and inseparably connected.

    And it is time Australia fully proscribed the entire organisation as terrorists. While our state and non-state enemies are exploiting the COVID-19 distraction, now is the time to reassert our position in the face of all those who threaten our friends and ourselves. Hezbollah (the Party of God) is primarily focused on executing Jews and Americans and is still able to operate here. But Australia does not stand for terror no matter how it is disguised.

    Australia banned Hezbollah’s External Security Organisation, its military wing, in 2003. Then attorney-general Daryl Williams stated: “While it began as a militia, the group has evolved into a multifaceted organisation including political, social and military components. The functions of the organisation include legitimate political and social activities.” During its peak in Syria and Iraq, ISIS had social and political wings, ran schools and health clinics, and yet it was fully proscribed by Australia.

    It’s a pipe dream to believe there is a difference between the political and military wing. Even Hezbollah thinks the notion laughable. In 2013, Mohammad Raad, head of Hezbollah’s parliamentary delegation, said: “The Hezbollah military wing is a lie invented by the Europeans because they feel a need to communicate with us and they want to make a delusional separation between the so-called military and political wings.”

    Hezbollah’s second-in-command, Naim Qassem, has said: “The same leadership that directs the parliamentary and government work also leads jihad actions in the struggle against Israel.” Just because Hezbollah is more sophisticated and is not live-streaming beheadings, (unlike its Sunni extremist cousins such as al-Qa’eda or ISIS), does not make it acceptable.

    Insurgencies and terrorist organisations get their oxygen from non-violent supporters and cleverly infiltrate politics and civil society – even in Australia — attempting to convince us they are a legitimate part of our public discourse. That is when they
    their most dangerous.

    Hezbollah’s deception has enabled it to become mainstream when in reality it is Iran attempting to normalise its brand of terror. The last thing Australia needs is a terrorist group being in a position to politically influence our foreign policy decisions.

    Hezbollah is not made up of your average unhinged extremists. For a start its arsenal would be the envy of any small nation. Iran’s terrorist networks are some of the best-armed on the planet. Hezbollah has amassed weapons systems such as the Fateh-110/M-600 short-range ballistic missile, Shahab-1 and Shahab-2 short-range ballistic missiles, Toophan antitank guided missiles, Kornet portable antitank guided missiles, M113 armoured personnel carriers and T-72 main battle tanks. Hezbollah’s armed drones are among the world’s most advanced. One of the world’s leading experts on Hezbollah,
    Washington Institute director Matthew Levitt, explains Hezbollah is Iran’s most dangerous and competent terrorist proxy. For years, the group has been making plans and stockpiling weapons for attacks across the globe, including in Africa, Asia, Europe and North and South America.

    In Australia it is an offence to be a member of a terrorist organisation, direct the activities of one, or recruit for or acquire funds for one. It is also an offence to associate with a listed terrorist organisation. Anyone guilty of such faces 25 years’ jail.

    But Australians can provide all kinds of support to Hezbollah’s social and political wing. Fully proscribing Hezbollah would shut down money-laundering funnels from Australia and disrupt its networks here.

    The UK fully proscribed Hezbollah last year. Home Secretary Sajid Javid explained: “The distinction between the two factions [is] derided as smoke and mirrors.” A contributing factor to Javid’s decision may have been that in 2015 British law enforcement agencies found three tonnes of ammonium nitrate (a key bomb-making ingredient) Hezbollah had stashed in London at the time of the signing of the controversial nuclear deal with Iran.

    Before the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Hezbollah was responsible for killing more Americans than any other terrorist organisation. It is also dedicated to targeting Israel and Jewish communities. The impact has been a string of suicide attacks against Jews around the world. Last week Australian Meliad Farah and his Canadian accomplice were sentence to life in prison by a Bulgarian court for the 2012 Sofia bus bombing that killed five Israeli tourists and their Bulgarian driver. Hezbollah is one of the reasons Jewish schools in Australia hire guards and impose strict security measures.

    And Hezbollah has dangerous friends, including Mexican drug cartels and people-smugglers in North Africa, emphasising the need for it to be placed in a continual choke-hold.

    In 2017 it was revealed a Sydney-based money launderer and crime figure, identified as a “Hezbollah functionary”, had brokered an arms deal between China, Iran and Hezbollah in 2011. The shipment was discovered as part of an international investigation into Hezbollah’s links with narcotics traffickers in Latin American, the Middle East and China.

    Legitimate political institutions don’t traffic drugs and weapons, conduct suicide bombings or threaten schoolchildren. Partially proscribing Hezbollah will not win Australia terrorist credits in the event of a major clash between Iran and the US. This presents serious considerations for Australia; one of them should be not appeasing extremists.

    Jason Thomas teaches risk management at Swinburne University of Technology and is director of Frontier Assessments.

  286. @Ron Unz

    LK seems to have given you a great answer supporting your approach but your approach, as a matter of logic, should be to describe what the mass of Germans believed. Without anything like LK’s documentation I have little doubt that Arthur Bryant accurately reflected that

  287. @Colin Wright

    But…. I remember being served, long after the war, in the household on the fringe of the city where I was a PG learning German by a young woman in peasant costume who came daily on the back of her fiancé’s motor bike from a village beyond the forest that started across the road. They had been engaged for 5 years and when the minor aristocrats I was staying with wanted her to go and look after a daughter-in-law who was having a baby she needed to get the permssion of her priest first . Later while driving through Germany with an Australian farmer he told me how backward and labour intensive German agriculture was not only compared to Australia but also England. It was the sight of a plough being drawn by a horse which prompted that I think.

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