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President Bill Clinton once launched a mini-cruise-missile-war on targets in Sudan and Afghanistan to serve as a distraction from the Monica Lewinski scandal. It must be considered that Donald Trump might be doing something similar within the context of his currently ongoing impeachment crisis, but the back story to the two developments is somewhat different. Clinton may have been a serial philanderer but he appears to have had no particular animus against either the Sudanese or the Afghans. Donald Trump, however, has expressed unrelenting hostility against Iran since the time when he took office. One of his first acts was to withdraw from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), which placed limits on Iranian nuclear programs so as to prevent the development of a nuclear weapon, and since that time sanctions have been added to cripple the Iranian economy.

The JCPOA was good for the United States, supportive of non-proliferation efforts, but Trump, guided by neoconservative advisers, most of whom were Jewish and having close ties to Israel, chose to ignore actual American interests. In a sense, Iran has from the beginning been the exception to Trump’s no-new-war pledge, a position that might reasonably be directly attributed to his pandering to the expressed needs of Israel’s belligerent Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Indeed, there is already some speculation that Israel might have done everything but pull the trigger in last Thursday’s assassination of Iranian Quds Force commander General Qassem Soleimani and the head of Kata’ib Hezbollah Abu Mehdi Muhandis by virtue of a U.S. Reaper drone strike near the Baghdad International Airport. The two men had just arrived in the city by a commercial flight to attend the funerals of the Iraqi soldiers killed by the U.S. earlier in the week. Soleimani had also scheduled a meeting with the Iraqi prime minister.

Israel has long been targeting Soleimani and has demonized his relationships with Hezbollah and the Syrian government. It has also called him the architect of the often cited “bridge” of Shi’ite dominated states that would run from Iran, through Iraq and Syria, to Lebanon and the Mediterranean Sea. The “bridge” has always been an Israeli fantasy concoction as Iraq, Syria and Lebanon have never expressed any willingness to become Persian satrapies. And ironically, the Israeli agitprop that might have led to the assassinations is actually counter-productive as Iraqis were recently demonstrating against Iranian influence. Now, given the killing of their countrymen and the insult to their sovereignty, they will instead be targeting the United States for its malign influence and Iran gets a free pass. And the death of Soleimani will also strengthen the Iranian government at home by its exposure of a completely malevolent outside enemy, quite likely leading to the suspension of the protests that have been sweeping the country in the past weeks.

An Israeli hand in recent developments is not unthinkable and there have already been reports that Soleimani’s coordinates were provided to the drone operator by Netanyahu, who was informed of the attack plan in advance. The Israeli air force has already been bombing targets in Iraq that it conveniently describes as “Iranian.” After the assassination, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke with Netanyahu, which he shared on twitter “and I just spoke and underscored the importance of countering Iran’s malign influence and threats to the region,” also stating how he was “always grateful for Israel’s steadfast support in defeating terrorism.”

Promoting terrorism would have been more accurate, but Pompeo dares not going there. In the past, Israel’s Mossad has frequently “shared” intelligence with the United States relating to possible nefarious activity by Iran. Often that information has been fabricated in an attempt to get Washington to act as Israel’s proxy. One notable example of intelligence fraud was the laptop that surfaced in 2004 that was claimed to be evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapon program. Can it be far off to suggest that Israel might have been the source of the alleged intelligence suggesting that Soleimani was involved in planning to kill more Americans? It is certainly plausible to think so, particularly as it appears the Soleimani might have been in Baghdad to discuss a Saudi proposal to lessen tensions in the region. Ironically, Donald Trump knew about the proposal and had reportedly encouraged the possibility of some form of detente. Israel, however, is not interested in lessening tensions and would rather see the United States go to war with and destroy Iran.

Trump’s successful presidential campaign included a pledge to disengage from useless Asian wars, a promise that might well have been his margin of victory. Since that time, he has at least occasionally drawn back from escalating conflicts in places like Syria and Afghanistan, but his supporters have always been quick to point out that he has not actually started anything new. Though he has in fact expanded military involvement in a number of countries, that assertion was at least somewhat true until last Thursday.

Having executed a deliberate, planned assassination of a foreign leader, the United States has committed an act of war and is now de facto at war with Iran in a conflict that could easily have been avoided and which will not end well for any of the participants. If the White House truly believed that Iran was systematically trying to kill Americans, President Trump should have gone to Congress and asked for a declaration of war. Instead, he opted to assassinate a top foreign government official from a country with which the U.S. is not at war in a third country that America is also was not at war with and which was not aware of the impending killing. There is nothing to be proud of there.

Though there will be no actual declaration of war coming from either side, the escalation that will develop from the assassinations will shift the long simmering conflict between the two nations into high gear. It is being reported that there have been additional U.S. airstrikes against a medical convoy north of Baghdad while nearly five thousand more U.S. troops are on their way to the Middle East.

Iran cannot let the killing of a senior officer go unanswered, even though it knows that it cannot directly confront the United States militarily. But there will be reprisals and Tehran’s suspected use of proxies to stage limited strikes will now be replaced by more damaging actions that will be attributable to the Iranian government, though with considerable deniability built in. As Iran has significant resources locally and countries like Saudi Arabia are vulnerable, one can expect that the entire Persian Gulf region will be destabilized.

And there is also the terrorism card, which will come into play. Iran has an extensive diaspora throughout much of the Middle East and, as it has been threatened by Washington for many years, it has had a long time to prepare for a war to be fought largely in the shadows. No American diplomat, soldier or even a tourist in the region should consider him or herself to be safe, quite the contrary. It will be an “open season” on Americans. The U.S. has already ordered a partial evacuation of the Baghdad Embassy and has advised all American citizens to leave the country immediately. Other travel warnings in countries as far away as Nigeria have followed. Do you feel safer Americans?

The buck stops with Trump, who made the decision to kill the Iranian and bears full responsibility for what comes next. The president referred to how Soleimani was preparing “imminent and sinister” attacks that would have cost “hundreds of American lives” but provided no details. And he also described the Iranian general as a mass murderer who had killed millions, to include thousands of Americans, before finding something humorous in the assassinations, tweeting that “Iran never won a war, but never lost a negotiation.” It is not clear what the tweeter-in-chief meant, if he actually meant anything coherent, but it unfortunately was a reflection of how low foreign and national security policy has sunk under the current administration.

The neoconservatives and Israelis are predictably cheering the deaths. Netanyahu commented afterwards that “Israel stands with the United States in its righteous struggle for peace, security and self-defense.” Also, Mark Dubowitz of the pro-Israel Foundation for Defense of Democracies enthused that the death of Soleimani is “bigger than bin Laden…a massive blow to the [Iranian] regime.” Dubowitz, a shill for Israel whose credentials as an “Iran expert” are dubious at best, is at least somewhat right in this case. Qassem Soleimani was, to be sure, charismatic and also very popular in Iran. He was Iran’s most powerful military figure and known and respected throughout the region, being the principal contact for proxies and allies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. But what Dubowitz does not understand is that no one in a military hierarchy is irreplaceable. Soleimani’s aides and high officials in the intelligence ministry are certainly more than capable of picking up his mantle and continuing his work.

In reality, the series of foolish attacks initiated by the United States over the past week will only hasten the departure of much of the U.S. military from the region. The Pentagon and White House have been insisting that Iran was behind an alleged Kata’ib Hezbollah missile attack on a U.S. installation that then triggered an F-15 strike by Washington on claimed militia targets in Syria and also inside Iraq that killed 25 Iraqis. The Iraqis were associated with Kata’ib but were also incorporated into the Iraqi Army as Popular Mobilization Forces in the fight against ISIS. Soleimani was in Baghdad to attend the funerals of the 25 murdered soldiers and also to pass on to the prime minister a Saudi request for dialogue to relieve tensions in the region. Even though the considerable U.S. military presence in Iraq is only possible through the good graces of the country’s government, Washington went ahead with its attack in spite of the fact that the Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi said “no.”

Iraq has a friendly relationship with Iran and the assassination of Soleimani on Iraqi soil has to be viewed by its government as a major compromise of its sovereignty. To justify the U.S. actions, Mark Esper, Secretary of Defense, went so far as to insist that “Iran is at war with the whole world,” a clear demonstration of just how ignorant the White House team actually is. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was similarly obtuse, parroting the possibly Israeli sourced claim that Soleimani was planning to kill more Americans, but he characteristically did not provide any credible evidence demonstrating either Iranian or Kata’ib involvement in recent developments.

But, inevitably, blood calls for more blood, and the counter-strike that killed the Iraqi soldiers produced the mass demonstrations against the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. Those demonstrations were also attributed to Iran by Washington, which claimed that a “red line” had been crossed, even though the people in the street were undoubtedly angry Iraqis.

Now that the U.S. has also killed Soleimani and Muhandis in the drone strike at Baghdad Airport, clearly accomplished without the approval of the Iraqi government, it is inevitable that the prime minister will ask American forces to leave even though Trump is threatening sanctions if that demand is actually made. The Iraqi parliament has already passed a resolution demanding that all foreign forces should leave the country. That will in turn make the situation for the remaining U.S. troops in neighboring Syria untenable. And it will also force other Arab states in the region to rethink their hosting of U.S. soldiers, sailors, Marines and airmen as it is now clear that Washington is prone to high-risk initiatives, having foolishly begun a de facto war that serves no one’s interests.

And there is no end in sight with Donald Trump now tweeting furiously that if the Iranian government seeks to retaliate for Soleimani the U.S. will strike 52 targets inside Iran, including cultural sites, a war crime. Congress will do nothing to stop the carnage because it is just as completely controlled by the Israel Lobby as is the White House.

The blood of the Americans, Iranians and Iraqis who will die in the next few weeks is clearly on Donald Trump’s hands as this war was never inevitable and serves no U.S. national interest. It will surely turn out to be a debacle, as well as devastating for all parties involved. And it might well, on top of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and Libya, be the long-awaited beginning of the end of America’s imperial ambitions. Trump has had three years to learn the lesson gleaned from Iraq and Afghanistan. He obviously used that time to learn nothing.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. joe2.5 says:

    ” there is already some speculation that Israel might have done everything but pull the trigger…”

    And why shouldn’t the Zionists pulled the trigger, too? The style of this mafia murder is pure “Israel”.
    All they needed the stupid Americans for was to hold the bag– and we obliged, of course.

  2. Zion Don is not just a fuckup…..he’s a DANGEROUS fuckup.

  3. The lady doth protest too much:

    On Monday, as the meeting ended, several ministers transmitted Netanyahu’s declaration distancing Israel from the Soleimani hit.

    “The assassination of Soleimani isn’t an Israeli event but an American event. We were not involved and should not be dragged into it,” he said, according to Israeli news outlets.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/netanyahu-distances-from-soleimani-slaying-says-israel-shouldnt-be-dragged-into-it-report

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @El Dato
    , @chris
  4. A true patriot speaks his piece.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Amanda
  5. Every Amerikastani, whether aged 100 seconds or 100 years, is a legitimate target as of this moment. There is absolutely no need to be apologetic about this. Only when all Amerikastanis are compelled pay for the crimes of their regime and its zionazi owners, only when each Amerikastani has a target painted on him, her, or it, will Amerikastan learn to behave like a civilised nation. Not before.

  6. Iran will declare war, the Quran requires it.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
    , @McChuck
  7. Alfred says:

    Sorry guys. Trump is thinking strategically. The Zionists who are celebrating now are thinking tactically.

    Trump’s overarching strategy is to get out of Syria and Iraq. To avoid a disastrous war with Iran.

    However, he must please his Zionist masters or they will either eliminate him physically or lock him up. By killing Soleimani, he has ensured his safety (and that of his family) from the murderous Zionists. Also, he has set in motion the mechanism that will expel the USA from Syria and Iraq.

    Brilliant!

  8. Wally says:
    @Robert Dolan

    As if Obama’s many drone attacks were any different.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Troll: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
    , @c matt
  9. Paul says:

    Netanyahu and the neoconservatives seem to view Donald Trump as a useful idiot.

  10. renfro says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    From the article:

    ”Simultaneously, journalists were told that security and intelligence officials who briefed the security cabinet told ministers there was no imminent threat of Iranian attacks against Israel following the Soleimani assassination.”

    Hahaha…….follow the live tweeting by Washington Post reporter at Iraq Parliament meeting

    Dec 5

    “The United States told us that some of the attacks against PMU headquarters in the recent months were conducted by Israel” Iraqi PM said.

    Now some MPs inside the hall can be heard chanting slogans against America and Israel.
    “Yes,yes Abu Mahdi Al-Muhandus”
    “Yes,yes Soleimani”
    “No,No America”
    “No,No Israel”

    Who in the ME does Israel think is stupid enough to believe Israel.. Netanyahu is scared Israel is going to get hit.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  11. Netanyahu backs away from Soleimani assassination, warns ministers to ‘stay out’ of purely ‘American event

    .’
    Does the word ‘backpedaling’ ring a bell, Bibi?

    You’ll reap what you sow, oh grand Master of Conception. I sincerely hope it’ll be an abundant and infinite harvest. And, of course, mazel tov, ol’ boy. You’re gonna need it by the bushel…

    • Replies: @Spike
    , @annamaria
  12. Onlooker says:

    This article is a rehash of old points and demonstrates that Trump is not alone in failing to learn from events. He is a brash representative of a consistent approach that characterises Americans and their history. This trait showed itself early when Washington turned on his Indian allies to drive them from the lands he coveted for himself. He died one of the largest landowners in the new states. Mexico was targeted (remember the Alamo), Spanish overseas posessions (remember the Maine), Hawaii, much of Central America (United Fruit Company), the Caribbean, China, former Dutch possessions (Indonesia). The Middle East soon followed. The more things change the more they stay the same. This tendency is deeply rooted in U.S. culture, society, government, philosophy, myth and perspective. Sometimes it is hidden (Obama) and sometimes not (Trump). Today’s U.S. exemplifies a dominant characteristic that has occurred regularly in history-think Rome, Ghengis Khan, Napolean, the British Empire, Ummayad Caliphate, Ottoman Empire……

    • Agree: Hong Kong Hibernian
    • Replies: @ld
    , @Amerimutt Golems
  13. Mike G says:

    Trump has list of 52 targets in Iran for destruction. The 52 number escaped me, but it has been pointed out that the Iranian Revolution started with the taking of 52 at the embassy back in 76.

    Somewhat appropriate considering that corporate never got over the fact of being turned out of Iran. What would Greta say “how dare you” Children don’t like to be told No

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @c matt
  14. Ron T says:

    The Jews are willing to fight to the last soldier of the goyim army. They always find some goy dupe to do their bidding. Their own kids they send to serve in the IDF, where they can safely shoot unarmed Palestinians. Rest assured, in the upcoming war, no Jew will be harmed.

  15. chris says:

    Can it be far off to suggest that Israel might have been the source of the alleged intelligence suggesting that Soleimani was involved in planning to kill more Americans?

    Certainly not, considering those who first peddled the story such as Pompeo, Trump, and Rubio !

    That noone in the news media follows up on asking what Soeimani’s escallation plans were, for which supposedly, he was actually killed is very supportive of Phil’s suggestion.

    It’s as if the police killed some unarmed people, claiming they were about to commit a crime, and noone in the media asks what that plan actually was nor what proof they might have had for such a plan. A little odd, no ? After all, why would Soleimani’s death, prevent the supposed plan from being unfolded by his replacement?

  16. Lot says:

    Corbyn was paid a large amount of Iranian money for “appearing on PressTV”

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jeremy-corbyn-defends-taking-money-from-iranian-state-broadcaster-press-tv-appearances_uk_57c705b7e4b01e359229a9be

    Does Giraldi get paid by Iran too via PressTV? How about Russian outlets like RT and VT?

    • Troll: Druid
  17. chris says:

    I’ve made this comment before, but I am convinced that the plan for Soleimani’s assassination started a couple of months before the actual event. The narrative of the triggering events for the murder was then tailored to fit the story as it developed.

    The plot was set in motion at the beginning of December with the prisoner exchange between Iran and the US, designed not to leave any hostages in Iran’s hand when the escalation took place. At that time, completely uncharacteristically for anything Trump’s ever said about Iran, he thanked the Iranian government for their help ! (https://news.yahoo.com/iranian-american-freed-apparent-prisoner-swap-130315720.html)

    This is a typical trait of a megalomaniac personality like Trump’s, in that he wants to play his part in the plot and gives himself away when he steps completely out of his own character.

    The rest of the events follow exactly the Israeli strategy of using wildly disproportionate responses in order to trigger ever increasing responses from their opponents.

    • Agree: El Dato, journey80
  18. Gizmo880 says:

    Please stop blaming Donald Trump as if somebody different in the White House would make any difference. The Zionists will simply not allow anyone to win the Presidency who might stand up to them.

    Case in point, the black Peace Prize winning ‘Messiah’ was supposed to bring ‘Hope and Change’ to the world but instead took one of the most peaceful and economically successful countries in Africa and turned it into a living Hell. And let’s not forget the vile Hilldebeast proclaiming on national TV…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

    This country is indeed (screwed), but it’s not because of our foolish warmongering around the world, of which I am completely against. Rather, it is the social and cultural disintegration brought about by the Left Wing useful idiots shoving diversity and multiculturalism on the country and the White Majority not standing up for their own interests. Not yet, anyway.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @TKK
  19. Ghali says:

    Trump is a little dog owned by Jews. Jews consider Trump as a servant or a small dog and must be treated as a Goyim. On his part, Trump knows that he is only serving Jews and would be happy to do so. Just like a small dog trying to make his owner happy.

    Since he moved in the White House, Trump have been serving Jews with distinction, showering Israel with money and weapons and allowing Israel to steal other nations land. He is “Making Israel Great Again”, not America. Sadly, the bewildered American hordes watching him with astonishment.

    • Agree: Phil_from_NJ
  20. Biff says:
    @Momus

    You’re what happens when a ‘Paid Troll’ button is needed.

  21. Antares says:

    Once Iran can no longer remain passive it will be very interesting to see the reactions of both Russia and China. The only possible aim of these operations (it has only started) is to isolate Iran form Russia and China. Trump’s actions are therefore neither incoherent nor insane, words that betray either a biased opinion, a lack of understanding, or thinking towards an expected outcome. The shabbos guy was predictable from start. He wanted to end all those needless wars and focus on Iran instead. This is consistent with his promises.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @JUSA
  22. Some curious historical background re Iran – Perhaps sealing his own doom, the last Shah of Iran in 1976, went on USA television talking about Jewish domination of USA media

    The Shah was overthrown 3 years later, in the Khomeini Islamic revolution which, as Aangirfan has documented on her site, seems to have been yet another operation of the Western intel agencies supporting Muslim fundamentalists

    Here’s the last Shah, speaking with Jewish journalist Mike Wallace on one of the USA’s popular national TV programmes, ’60 Minutes’, about Jewish media control, 3min6sec

    • Agree: utu
    • Thanks: European-American
    • Replies: @Minnesota Mary
    , @utu
  23. gotmituns says:

    A total bunch of malarkey from the word go.

    • Replies: @Hong Kong Hibernian
  24. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    You’re claiming that my children are legitimate targets?

    What a buffoon.

    P.S. the artwork on that website sucks.

  25. ababush says:

    It is not clear what the tweeter-in-chief meant, if he actually meant anything coherent, but it unfortunately was a reflection of how low foreign and national security policy has sunk under the current administration.

    That is a problem. Trump is not crazy, so to stop taking into account his tweets is a problem if you want to correctly assess the situation. And one way of correctly analyzing his tweets is to read this article:
    https://orientalreview.org/2019/11/15/about-trump/
    Trump managed to not start a single war after 3 years in office, and he might still avoid to be responsible for a new one if the neo-con and chabad crazies refrain from having Tel Aviv/Haifa annihilated in a war with Iran.
    In this process, he will have shown the ugly face of the empire to all those unwanting to accept it.

    Alastair Crooke says: “Trump now is (has been) seen by some in Israel – and by some insiders in Washington – as a threat to Israel’s future security vis à vis Iran.”
    https://www.dedefensa.org/article/the-middle-east-strategic-balance-shredded-1
    So even the kabalists are lost with Trump, and do not trust him fully despite all he did for them.

    My guess is that Trump did trigger this crisis in order to tell the Kabalists: you wanted a war with Iran, you can have it easily now, what shall we do? If the Kabalists blink in order to avoid Israel destruction, then the GIs will get out of Irak and Syria. And Trump will have won.

    Contrarily to P. Giraldi, A Crooke doesn’t say Trump is crazy, but underlines the fact that everything seems now to be in his hands:
    But where is the off-ramp? Iran will respond … Is this affair simply set to escalate from limited military exchanges … and from thence, to escalate until what? We understand that this was not addressed in Washington before the President’s decision was made. There are no real US channels of communication (other than low level) with Iran; nor is there a plan for the next days. Nor an obvious exit. Is Trump relying on gut instinct again?

    Is Trump a genius, or a disaster? I tend to believe the former.

  26. @Alfred

    Either that or he is bumbling and drunk.

    We will find out one day!

  27. El Dato says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    The feel when you start to realize all those Nazi posters about Jewish Wars are true.

  28. Realist says:
    @Gizmo880

    Please stop blaming Donald Trump as if somebody different in the White House would make any difference. The Zionists will simply not allow anyone to win the Presidency who might stand up to them.

    So you admit that Trump is part of the Deep State. It doesn’t matter whether someone else would make a difference…Trump is in the White House. Therefore it is his fault he is an Israeli quisling..

  29. Robjil says:
    @Mike G

    The 52 must be some Jewish Kabbala thing.

    BaN comes up as 52.

    What is BaN?

    It related to Yahweh.

    Found this on a website, copied the stuff, but forgot to get the url. Here is the quote from it, it mentions BaN. Jeffrey Meiliken who blogs about Kabbala wrote it in 2009.

    By the way Shalom and Mashiach have the same ordinal value, 52, tying them both spiritually to the emanation of manifestation, known as Ban(52), or Malchut. Meaning that to achieve that ultimate Tree-of-life reality, the vessel for Peace and the establishment of the Moshiach will have to start with our work on the physical plane.

    Here is more about Ban (52)

    https://www.inner.org/mashiach/final5.htm

    The actualization of the desired change in reality corresponds to malchut, the “revealed world” in which changes are openly seen. This is the power of God’s 52 letter Name (Ban) that illuminates reality. It corresponds to the lower hei of Havayah.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380133/jewish/The-Levels-of-the-Creation-of-Man.htm

    The name Ban [= 52] was included here [within the name Sag]. [We see this] from the fact that from out of [the ruins of] this name Sag whose vessels were shattered was subsequently produced the rectification, via the name Mah [= 45], which was used to rectify reality.

    Here is a Kabbala card set with 52 cards.

    https://kabbalahinsights.com/en/products/wonders-of-the-soul

    The number of cards in the set is 52 – a magical number in Judaism and Kabbalah.
    The number 52 contains the “Shem Hameforash” (God’s name – יהוה) twice in Gematria (26×2), and four times the thirteen lights of Grace.
    Pure pleasure!
    [Orna Ben-Shoshan]

    The number 52 must be a signal to the Zionists about what Trump is doing.

    We are dealing with quite primitive thinking within our Israel first rulers.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  30. @Alfred

    Sorry guys. Trump is thinking strategically. The Zionists who are celebrating now are thinking tactically.

    Trump’s overarching strategy is to get out of Syria and Iraq. To avoid a disastrous war with Iran.

    However, he must please his Zionist masters or they will either eliminate him physically or lock him up. By killing Soleimani, he has ensured his safety (and that of his family) from the murderous Zionists. Also, he has set in motion the mechanism that will expel the USA from Syria and Iraq.

    Brilliant!

    This is the old ‘Trump is playing 4-dimensional chess’ angle that seems to have lost its credibility a long time ago. While it is true that he might have done this to set in motion the wheels for US withdrawal, it far more likely that the plans for Zionist aggression are running their course.

    Iraqi parliament has passed a resolution for the expulsion of foreign troops from Iraq

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/iraqi-parliament-calls-expulsion-foreign-troops-200105150709628.html

    So this is great! Iraqis want the gringos out and a lot of Americans seem to agree with them. Trump has all the reason to pull out just as he promised on the campaign trail…right?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51003159

    President Trump has threatened severe sanctions against Iraq after its parliament called on US troops to leave the country.

    “We have a very extraordinarily expensive air base that’s there. It cost billions of dollars to build. We’re not leaving unless they pay us back for it,” he told reporters.

    Speaking from the presidential plane, Mr Trump said that if Iraq asked US forces to depart on an unfriendly basis, “we will charge them sanctions like they’ve never seen before, ever. It’ll make Iranian sanctions look somewhat tame.”

    Nope. Trump is giving terms that are completely unnacceptable and that will force the Iraqis to rescind their expulsion edict. He is firstly asking Iraqis to pay billions for an air force base that was only built to fight US-created terror groups, and secondly he is asking that if Iraq do pay, America will withdraw on its own accord and this presumably means very very slowly , if Iraqis get serious about it (‘depart on an unfriendly basis’) then the US will hit them with sanctions.

    Trump desperately wants to keep the Neoconservative war machine humming and this assassination is in fact more anti-Iranian provocation at the behest of Zionist, Military Industrial Complex and oil interests.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  31. anon[271] • Disclaimer says:

    False flag attacks by apartheid israel are very likely. Which elementary school will they attack in Ct. is the only question.

    Lt. “these microphones” Vance
    H. Wayne “the” Carver
    Gene Rosen
    and a cast of thousands stand ready to join thee Robby “all smiles” Parker.

  32. @gotmituns

    Not total malarkey…an element of truth was there and then embellished.

    Here’s something to look over if you have the time: https://theintercept.com/series/iran-cables/

  33. Robjil says:
    @Robjil

    Ban is connected to Malchut, a 52 too, according to Kabbala.

    http://kabbalahsecrets.com/tag/specific-numbers/

    Malchut (YVD HH VV HH) of numerical value 52

    What is Malchut? It is closest aspect to earth of the Ten Sefirot of Yahweh’s Tree of Life.

    http://www.jewishtreats.org/2010/05/malchut-kingship.html

    If one envisions the world as ringed by the sephirot, then the sephirah of malchut is the one closest to the earth, because it is the one that channels and connects all the other sephirot between the human and the Divine. Without question, God is the King of kings. As the Creator of the world, He controls all aspects of life and utilizes all of the powers of the sephirot. Humanity’s job is to emulate God.

    Here are the ten Sephirot, Yahweh’s Tree of Life. That is why 9 11 is considered chaos and destruction. It is one less and one more than Yahweh’s creation number.

    http://www.jewishtreats.org/2010/04/ten-sephirot.html

    The sephirot are referred to in Sefer Yetzirah as “Ten sephirot of nothingness” (Eser sephirot bli mah). From this it is understood that the sephirot are both intangible and yet are the powers that serve to bind the structure of the world together (reading bli mah as blimah, binding).

    The ten sephirot are:
    1) Keter – Crown 2) Chachma – Wisdom
    3) Binah/Daat – Understanding/Knowledge 4) Chesed – Lovingkindness
    5) Gevurah – Strength 6) Tiferet – Beauty
    7) Netzach – Victory 8) Hod – Splendor
    9) Yesod – Foundation 10) Malchut – Kingship

    This 52 Malchut is the closet aspect of Yahweh’s Tree of Life to our earth. Trump by mentioning 52, he must be pointing it out to Israel firsters that he working on their plan for this earth.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/379552/jewish/The-Secret-of-Levis-Genes.htm

    When the divine name Havayah is spelled out yud-vav-dalet hei-hei vav-vav hei-hei, its numerical value is 52. This is one of the four basic ways the name Havayah may be spelled out. Each of the four spellings of the name Havayah is associated with one of the four basic sefira-groups (72 with chochma, 63 with bina, 45 with the midot, and 52 with malchut).
    This is alluded to in the verse: “I am not better to you than ten sons?” (Samuel I 1:8)If one envisions the world as ringed by the sephirot, then the sephirah of malchut is the one closest to the earth, because it is the one that channels and connects all the other sephirot between the human and the Divine.

    • Replies: @Yakov Smirnov III
  34. El Dato says:

    Top level worm is worming!

    U.S. briefs NATO over Iran strike, avoids European criticism

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-iraq-security-iran-nato/u-s-briefs-nato-over-iran-strike-avoids-european-criticism-idUKKBN1Z51SG

    “We are united in condemning Iran’s support of a variety of different terrorist groups,” Stoltenberg said. “At the meeting today, allies called for restraint and de-escalation. A new conflict would be in no one’s interest. So Iran must refrain from further violence and provocations.”

    > MEK and Israeli killers roaming Tehran don’t exist
    > NATO sitting on the burnt-down region they invaded is irrelevant
    > Internally rotten so far that hits of which Heydrich would be proud are A-OK now
    > Not even noticing that one’s own sad ass is now on the line in this new world of decapitation strikes

    I wonder where one finds these people. They are so squishy. They must ooze green when you press them.

  35. roonaldo says:

    Hey, it only seems insane…The day after assassinating Soleimani, Orange Julius Caesar declared, at an Evangullible rally “God is on our side, or I’ll sanction the crap out of Him!” Reacting to increased calls to boycott all Trump businesses, the President issued Executive Order $$ stating “Anyone passing within 100 yards of a Trump property owes me $3 billion.” When reports came in that 90% of U.S. tourists overseas were claiming to be Canadian, he hollered “Fifty-four Forty or Fight, we’re annexing you motherfuckers, eh!” When Melania told him to calm down, he turned even oranger, grabbed her by the hair and declared “No more high heels for you, bitch!” And when Barron tried to comfort his mother, daddy-dearest dragged the poor kid to the Truman Porch and hurled him into some rose bushes, fuming “thorns are in your side now, ya little pissant!” Eventually, Ivanka lured him away by donning a bikini and waving a Big Mac and fries in front of him.

    Media reaction was swift and predictable–Chuck Todd stated–“Finally, the decisive leader we’ve been waiting for!” Rush Limbaugh gasped–“You da man, Donny, you da man!” Foreign leaders immediately responded, France’s Macron asking “Voulez-vous coucher avec moi?” Xi of China offered to send Panda Bears. Vladimir Putin gifted a gold-encrusted four-dimensional chess set. Nancy Pelosi stripped naked on national TV and moaned “Do me, Donald, do me!” TIME bestowed “Badass of the Year” honors. The Dow-Jones shot off the charts. With the Orange Man’s poll numbers skyrocketing, the Dems forfeited the 2020 elections and Obama forfeited to him his Nobel Peace Prize. Ah, the method to his madness!

    • LOL: follyofwar, Iris
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  36. journey80 says:

    It might also be considered that Netanyahu is dealing this hand to stay out of jail and in power. Trump’s servility to Israel defines “his” presidency. And it should be said – the neocon hawks and psychopaths who surround him have been trying to start a war with Iran for decades. Hard to believe Trump is calling any of this. He’s doing what Jared thinks he should do, and Jared is transmitting what Bibi thinks he should do.

  37. Z-man says:

    Yes, as long as Neocohens and Christian Zionists run our foreign policy we’re screwed.
    BTW, Mike Pompeo or as I affectionately call him; Lard face, Plump’eo, crazed CZ-zealot fat boy, etc., is now a legitimate target of the Iranians. May Allah provide justice to the family of Soleimani. (Grin) And look, I’m wishing ‘ill will’ on a zealot ‘goy’ (gentile) instead of a typical Neo-cohen snake, how ironic. (Another grin)
    A positve spin:
    With the ‘incorrect’ memo leaked by the Pentagon about an orderly exit from Iraq this can be the silver lining in all this mess. This assassination might actually accelerate the exiting of US forces from Iraq and the surrounding quagmires. Who knows, Trump might be a genius.
    Again, NO MORE WARS FOR ZION, BDS NOW, ONE STATE SOLUTION-PALESTINE.
    And to really stick it to Neocohens (My apologies to Prof. Steven Cohen), Trump-Putin Axis Da!! Destroy the Deep State and the CABAL.

    • Agree: Iris
  38. chris says:
    @joe2.5

    the reason they may not want to pull the trigger themselves would be to implicate the US and to put us front and center in their bullying of Iran so that any potential retaliation from Iran is directed at us and not against them.

  39. White men lose their women(and manhood) to black men, white elites cuck to Jewish Power, Western Christianity has surrendered to globo-homo, white working class die of opioids, and white lands will be colonized by browns and blacks.

    A defeated and doomed people, the only way whites in the US are allowed by their Jewish masters to act tough is by barking at Russia and mauling Muslims.

    Iran has to just wait this out. It’s only a matter of time before White America is finished.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  40. In our personal lives we don’t believe repeat liars, but when it comes to the “news” everyone accepts the lies like Zombie Morons. They call them news “stories” because they contain zero truth. The CIA, for example, wants you to believe missiles fired at poor Afghan villages and drone assassinations in Iraq are but personality quirks of an elected stooge probably because of sex and elections.

  41. Spike says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Yeah, that line about it being purely American infers that other operations were not purely American. Will he ever tell us which ones aren’t purely American?

  42. Excellent article!
    But Giraldi is forgetting the most important fact.
    Result of US policies in Levant is that Sunni people in Syria and Iraq become people without a country.
    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    That means that there will be no peace under the olive trees.

  43. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Iran should not fall for the trap and target US interests, even if it’s outside the US. Rather, they should make this a personal thing against certain individuals responsible for this hit. Some potential targets could be:

    – any property owned by Jared Kushner’s family
    – head of deep state Pompeo and/or Pence

    I don’t wish death on anyone, but without evil warmongers like Pence, Pompeo, Kushner or Netanyahu in power, the world would be a safer place.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  44. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul

    Netanyahu and the neoconservatives seem to view Donald Trump as a useful idiot.

    And he’s proving them right.

  45. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    p.s
    US should redraw the map of Levant and give Sunni their own state.
    After all the borders of states in Levant were drown by drunken English cartographers so they are not something holy.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  46. George says:

    “Trump-Pompeo foreign policy is not only incoherent, it is insane”

    What does insane mean? Since there is no policy objective beyond insanely prolonging the insane wars, you are right the assassination was an insane way to accomplish that insane policy objective. But if prolonging the insane wars is insane then doing something insane that would be obviously counter productive to prolonging the insane wars is … what exactly?

    E Micheal Jones claims that God wants to end the American Empire and DJT is God’s tool for accomplishing that. I hope E Micheal Jones is right.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Onebornfree
    , @Republic
  47. @Just passing through

    Dang, JPT, you beat me with that 4-D chess thing in your response to @Alfred.

    • Replies: @Per/Norway
  48. Uncle Sam says:

    I voted for Trump, not Jared Kushner (read Benjamin Netanyahu). I became suspicious when Trump appointed Kushner, his Jewish son-in-law, as one of his top advisors. That was obviously done to make sure Israel was in the loop.

    Iran will get her pound of flesh and Trump had better end this whole Iran mess after that happens. If he attacks Iran, America will suffer its most catastrophic military defeat in its history and Trump’s presidency will be destroyed. Forget about a 2nd term because a large part of his base will abandon him.

    Trump is incredibly stupid. He does not know that the Jews are using him for their own ends. They will abandon him as soon as he accomplishes their goals. His Jewish son-in-law’s first loyalty and love is to Israel not America, much less his father-in-law.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  49. BL says:

    The results of the 2016 election fueled increasingly wacky conspiracy theories that for our purposes here amounted to “Everything’s changed!” After all, if establishment elements, domestic and foreign, were claiming even to this very day that ‘Putin stole the election from Hillary to install his puppet,’ then all bets were off on what would be considered possible about the man sitting in the Oval Office.

    Once he took the oath, a mirror-image counter-narrative appeared that, in so many words and as needed per events, to the effect that really nothing had changed. POTUS Trump was for all intents and purposes like his predecessors, with some meaningless flourishes added to entertain his supporters and send his detractors into states of apoplexy.

    I just concisely belabored that dichotomy because both are rather obviously wrong. It has always been a question of how Trump as POTUS is consequentially different. Absent an exegesis, I located him at the Real POTUS extreme end of the Figurehead/Real spectrum. Everyone has been pulling their hair out because he immediately followed a president, Obama, who fell at the other end. A figurehead president whose principal job was as pitchman for the National Security State:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html

    As my previous comments attest, and all of the subsequent information substantiates — including Soleimani’s possible Saudi initiative, to the centrality of the attack on the American embassy in the highly fortified Green Zone explaining Trump’s order to take out Soleimani.

    It’s unsettling to say the least to get our minds around the idea that one man must, in the end, make a binary choice like this under exigent circumstances. Hindsight isn’t just easy, it’s never explanatory.

    Did Trump overreact to the intelligence and public pronouncements (e.g. Khamenei’s “You can’t do a damn thing.”) warning Soleimani was executing a Benghazi or Iranian Hostage Crisis repeat? Maybe. But it was unwise in the extreme for Iran and others (wittingly or not) to compel his decision under the totality of the circumstances.

    The revelations of a Saudi mission — whether true or not, are a positive sign that the dire predictions of where this is heading may be wrong. After Turkey shot down a Russian fighter jet, Putin and Erdogan found a resolution in metal national interest, rather than tit-for-tat escalation leading to war. Unless I miss my mark, both Erdogan and Putin will play unsung positive roles behind the curtain, to reduce tensions between the US and Iran.

    The Saudi revelations, again, whether true or not, begin the formation of the resolve narrative of mistakes/overreaction by both parties.

    US and Iranian personnel have been cheek by jowl in Iraq. I don’t believe that will change, but even if it does they will still be in the region. This incident reveals that it’s long past the time for them to be communicating directly at the highest levels.

  50. Insane people do insane things, the entire ZUS government is under the control of insane zionists and their insane necon helpers, whose agenda is to destroy the middle east for Israel.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man
  51. unit472 says:

    Its customary for military rivals to take out senior officers when the opportunity arises. The US targeted Japan’s senior naval officer, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto, in 1943 when our codebreakers learned he was going to visit Japanese bases in the Solomon Islands. 18 P=38s were sent to intercept his flight and he was killed. Americans celebrated and the Japanese withheld the news from its public fearing it would be demoralizing.

    OTOH, the Japanese managed to kill Lt. General Simon Buckner, Commanding General of the 10th Army at the every end of the Battle for Okinawa.

    Soleimani’s death was a win for the US and a major defeat for Iran. The Iranian economy was in trouble before with its GDP falling 5% in 2018 and almost 10% in 2019. The regime can chant ‘Death to the US’ but that is about it. Soleimani’s proxy armies do not pay for their weaponry. Iran does and they are running out of the resources necessary to support the Houthis, Hezbollah, Hamas, Assad and their Iraqi militias. Getting into a major confrontation with the US will only accelerate Iran’s collapse and threaten the regime’s survival.

  52. Erebus says:
    @George

    What does insane mean?

    Insanity is not the loss of reason. It is the loss of everything but reason.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  53. @Ghali

    Trump is a little dog owned by Jews.

    (The United States of America) is a little dog owned by Jews. There. Now it’s correct.

  54. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @Hong Kong Hibernian

    Hong Kong Hibernian says: “You’re claiming that my children are legitimate targets?”

    Obviously not ,from your perspective, but from the perspective of the average Iraqi, or Iranian, yes, of course you and your entire family are now probably considered to be “legitimate” targets.

    This just in: ALL US citizens, either in the US and overseas, are probably now considered to be “legitimate” targets for retaliation.

    I suggest that any US citizen who does not understand this simple point endangers both their own life, and that of their families.

    International travel using a US passport is probably a very bad idea for any US citizen, private or governmental, seems to me.

    Regards, onebornfree

  55. This article (and others with a similar sentiment) remind me of the warnings given the President before he took office about why securing the southern border was impossible: The narco-cartels will never allow it!

    I deeply oppose foreign invasions and am appalled by Israeli behavior regarding the Palestinians and their interference in American politics. Trump clearly has some vision concerning Iran that I don’t understand, and conflating it to “giving in to the neocons” seems like a cop-out. Perhaps if Iran gave up on calling for the destruction of Israel, it would give Israel less leeway in committing human rights abuses. When everybody’s back is against the wall there is no room for anyone to move.

    My guess is that Trump has a back-up plan if Iran kills American troops, and that back-up plan is destroying the Iranian air force, navy, it’s oil production infrastructure, and government buildings. My guess is the “cultural sites” the President spoke about referred to their parliament building. I think a tactical nuke is a possibility to destroy the Iranian underground nuclear program, or razing the ground (and city) surrounding it to cut it off from utilities and resources. And I don’t think any of that is particularly “crazy”.

    I like Iranian people and have spent vacations with them in Scandinavia. I live as an ex-pat in a country where much of our agricultural product comes from Iran (tomatoes particularly). I hate to see their people suffer. I think though that until the Israeli Jews can feel some sense of security inside Israel, the problems of the Palestinian people will never be resolved. Maybe smashing the theocracy in Iran changes things. Nothing else will; Israel will never accept a single state solution that sees them become a political minority, or a two state solution that leaves the country vulnerable to invasion. Not that acceptance matters a whit but Israel also has the power to enforce it, having the bomb and all.

  56. @renfro

    Netanyahu is scared Israel is going to get hit

    And well he should be. Without us there to protect his rump, he knows Israel is going to be toast. punishment for hubris has a way of catching up on one, sooner or later, just as it is about to catch up on Trump.

    What we are about to see is the desperation of a cornered rat. There will be lots of bloviating from the zios about how we will sanction and starve Iraqis, but the US will have to leave the ME, perhaps kicking and screaming, but leave we must. There will be lots of effort put into repositioning our troops in Kuwait and in “an independent Kurdistan”, more billions wasted, but once the body bags start arriving home, it is all over.

    Israel has overreached this time, and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

    – On another note: I don’t think that Iran will shut down the Straits of Hormuz to oil traffic. Doing so would hurt China, and Iran needs China. More likely, I expect a trade deal where China maximizes oil purchases from Iran and reduces intake from the KSA and fellow gulfies. That is when we will feel the maximum pain as the petrodollar collapses. It is not going to be pretty.

  57. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @George

    George says: “ “Trump-Pompeo foreign policy is not only incoherent, it is insane”

    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.” – George Orwell

    And also remember:

    “The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can “throw the rascals out” at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy….Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies.” Carroll Quigley

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.”      Albert J. Nock

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Robert Dolan, Desert Fox
  58. JamesinNM says:

    Voted for Trump in 2016. Will not vote for him in 2020. Republican and Democratic parties and deep state hate Bernie. I am switching parties and voting for Bernie against the Republicans and Democrats and deep state regardless of the consequences of Bernie’s socialist agenda. Trump porked the pooch, and it’s payback time.

    • Replies: @Sibwalker
  59. chris says:
    @Paul

    … but a useful idiot isn’t very aware of the useful role he’s playing; Trump, is eagerly trying to be useful.

    The useful part for us all, is exactly when he’s working hard at being really useful; the proverbial bull trying to help out in the china shop.

    His actions discredit the military-industrial-congressional-MSM china shop, that’s his greatest service to mankind.

  60. ld says:
    @Onlooker

    Sewing seeds of division
    in this psychotic prison
    we have built the walls
    that wound our empty souls
    that keep us in the dark
    digging deeper in the hole
    Sewing seeds of fear
    as they push the ending near
    Selling death and war
    Prostitues that whore
    all the weapons you will need
    to make the children bleed
    Planting distractions
    Inciting reactions
    Diverting attention
    from your murderous intention.
    Let us fight amongst ourselves
    who would cross the great divide
    to listen to the enemy
    on the ‘other’ side
    Everybody knows
    that money rules the show
    We pretend we have control
    and choose the status quo
    It’s insane and we’re to blame
    which only proves the more we know
    the more we stay the same

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
    • Replies: @chris
  61. Patriot says:

    Note that children of both Clinton and Trump were married off to rich Jews. This seem to be a repeating theme for the elites of all European/White nations.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  62. chris says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Yahoo’s response is unbelievably funny!

    Usually, when you’re the falsely accused of something, you just say it wasn’t you but you don’t blame it on your friends !

    You might say: ‘hey, I had nothing to do with this!’
    You would never say: ‘hey, this wasn’t me, it was my best friend who did this!’

    This must be the funniest and most telling response in the history of ‘diplomacy.’

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  63. @Priss Factor

    If this person was a true patriot he wouldn’t be mincing words and soft-pedaling Mr. Trump’s calculated anti-American treachery.

    No, Mr. Trump wasn’t a good person who got elected and then “something (mysteriously) happened”; he’s not a good person doing the wrong thing because he’s being fed false “intel.”

    On the contrary, Mr. Trump is a lying-mass-murdering-totally-morally-bankrupt-mentally-deranged-infantile-narcissist-and-consummate-devil-worshiping-demon-possessed-hard-core-militant-zionist-extremist-anti-American-scumbag.

    IOW Mr. Trump is an Israeli agent whose presidential campaign was a calculated bait-and-switch fraud right from the beginning.

    If the military chain of command continues to violate their enlistment oaths by carrying out this madman’s illegal, unconstitutional and blatantly immoral orders, and if congress or the courts don’t stop this madman, we are headed for a nuclear war. America is over; Teflon Don the con man is going to end it. That much is clear.

    Why is this painfully obvious reality so hard for so many people to accept?

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  64. @former-vet

    I deeply oppose foreign invasions and am appalled by Israeli behavior regarding the Palestinians and their interference in American politics. Trump clearly has some vision concerning Iran that I don’t understand, and conflating it to “giving in to the neocons” seems like a cop-out. Perhaps if Iran gave up on calling for the destruction of Israel, it would give Israel less leeway in committing human rights abuses. When everybody’s back is against the wall there is no room for anyone to move.

    Read the book ‘The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy’, it lays out a case of how the Israel Lobby in America is not just bad for America, but possibly even for Israel!

    America has heavily favoured Israel in the Israel-Palestine issue for a very long time, this is a byproduct of lobbying in America by Jewish Zionist groups. As such the other Arab states have gradually become more and more anti-American. Had America actually opposed the Israeli expansion and building of Jewish settlements sincerely (threats of sanctions if they do not stop building for example) and had they pursued a two-state solution with commitment instead of just virtue-signalling. It is likely there would be less wars in the Middle East. In fact I recall Israel did a deal with Iran way back – weapons in exchange for allowing Iranian Jews to emigrate to Israel.

    Israel has however ruthlessly pursued Israeli interests with total disregard for its neighbours. It has been able to do this largely because of backing by the United States.

    They cannot be reasoned with and total destruction of Israel, while probably being rhetoric, is an understandable sentiment for Iran. Israel’s audacity and chutzpah relies not on its fighting ability, but on their access to American troops. Should America cease supporting Israel through foreign wars (wars where Israel doesn’t contribute a single soldier) and aid money, they wouldn’t be swaggering about with this bravado.

    It is too late now in my opinion, either Israel will be destroyed or Iran will be destroyed, my intuitions are that it is going to be the latter as US support for Israel doesn’t seem to be waning. Trump is the most philosemitic and pro-Zionist president in history.

  65. vot tak says:

    US Blocks Iran’s Foreign Minister From Addressing UN Security Council

    https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/us-blocks-senior-iranian-diplomat-from-addressing-un-20200106-0013.html

    “United States Trump administration denied Monday a visa to Iran’s Foreign Minister Javad Zarif to prevent him from addressing the United Nations Security Council on Jan. 9 on the assassination of Iran’s top military officer in Baghdad.

    According to diplomatic sources, the U.S. government’s actions would constitute a clear violation of the terms of a 1947 agreement requiring Washington to allow foreign officials to enter the country to conduct U.N. business.

    Zarif applied for a visa “a few weeks ago” to enter the U.S. to attend a Jan. 9 Security Council meeting on the importance of upholding the U.N. Charter. Thursday’s meeting would have been an opportunity for Tehran’s top diplomat to address the international community since the U.S. president ordered the Jan. 3 attack that killed Major General Qassem Soleimani.

    However, a Trump administration official told U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres that the U.S. would not allow Zarif to enter the country. A move that comes at a time of high tension between both countries, as Iran has sworn to avenge the murder of Soleimani.”

    The israeli’s american colony has consistently broken their treaty obligations regarding hosting the UN. Time to move the UN out of the usa to a neutral country.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  66. Patriot says:

    Why do Jews continue to do everything possible to prove that Hitler was right?

    Is it that they can’t help themselves? Is it simply their evolved naure, the same way parasites have evolved to manipulate and use their hosts? Generation after generation, for 2,000 years, the same evil, selfish and ultimaey destructive behavior by the Jews, causing them to be hated and expelled from nearly every place on Earth where they lived.

  67. @Uncle Sam

    ” America will suffer it’s most catastrophic military defeat in it’s history”

    This wins the grand prize as the most absurd, silliest, most Ignorant comment to have been posted on the net to date. You are a ranting fool, and a collossal idiot.

    AJM

    • Replies: @Mitch Bennington
    , @JUSA
  68. The US terror attack on Qasem Soleimani serves only one country: Israel. The assassination bears Israeli handwriting. The Zionist regime doctored so-called intelligence. The “moron” (Rex Tillerson about Donald Trump) in the White House, who is surrounded by Zionists and evangelical extremists, did Benjamin Netanyahu’s bidding. Netanyahu has been lobbying for war with Iran for the past two decades. Finally, he found in Trump, his willing executioner. Sorry for the poor servicemen and servicewomen who will die for an evil regime that despises human rights, international law, and the underlying social rules of conduct. With friends like these, the US doesn’t need enemies.

  69. anonymous[875] • Disclaimer says:

    There is a certain logic to it. As the US position looks increasingly vulnerable US actions become more radical in a bid to keep from being on the losing end. This isn’t necessarily unexpected nor would it be the first time in history a country threatened with defeat starts getting more vicious and extreme. It’s a sign of increasing desperation.
    It’ll be interesting to see how the Iranians respond. This may have been a huge mistake, providing them with such a rallying event. Trump’s advisors are tone-deaf at the very least, downright reckless and incompetent is more like it unless a war of attrition with Iran has been the intent all along.

  70. anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @former-vet

    Welcome to Unz Forum, new zionist propagandist.

    nb. next comment try to come up with something original: “Iran called me names and that Jews feel insecure” is shelf-worn.

  71. socialistreview.org.uk ” Why does capitalism lead to war ?” Sally Campbell argues the drive to war is not accidental but inherent in the logic of capitalism :
    “Each war ends in a settlement , a new division of the World between the powers , but these agreements never hold . Capitalism is a system locked into relentless production , and this develops unevenly – some capitalist states will grow more quickly than others , and demand a re-division of the World to favor them .”
    “While there are profits in war , there will never be peace “- motto of the MIC ?

  72. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    guided by neoconservative advisers, most of whom were Jewish and having close ties to Israel, chose to ignore actual American interests.

    Which those Jewish WH advisors have been doing for decades, no matter who’s in the WH, there’s a steady supply of these Israeli-Firster fifth columnists in the govt to ensure that whatever foreign policy steps are taken, that the question asked first is: “How will this benefit Israel?”

  73. anonymous[203] • Disclaimer says:
    @Just passing through

    total destruction of Israel, while probably being rhetoric, is an understandable sentiment for Iran.

    Very good example of how a reckless use of language (or deliberate disinformation / promulgation of a meme) produces a mortally flawed analysis that can and often does result in mortality for very many people.

    The “total destruction of Israel” never was and is not even now the “sentiment from Iran.”

    Many Americans on this forum probably agree with Iranians that “ZIONISM should be wiped from the pages of time.”

    Zionism is a political movement and ideology that relies on militarism, theft, deception and parasitism to achieve its ends.

    Zionism will destroy itself due to its own internal incoherence.

    But Americans should awaken to another phenomenon that has been taking place in USA over the past decade or so: the proliferation of Chabad house churches.

  74. @Erebus

    Insanity is thinking and acting outside of available options.

  75. Republic says:
    @George

    EMJ had a interview with Press TV( Iran) yesterday:

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Robert Dolan
  76. …most of whom were Jewish and having close ties to Israel, chose to ignore actual American interests.

    American interests ignored? They simply don’t exist insofar as American ME foreign policy goes. The Jewish personnel are by, of and for Israel. Past pretenses of “honest brokers” in the ME are now trashed. Israel is now ruling us and we cheerfully surrender our sovereignty with a smile.

  77. Republic says:
    @Just passing through

    Regarding the Jewish lobby. In 1976 Mike Wallace of CBS had an interview with the Shah of Iran

  78. @Lot

    ‘Corbyn was paid a large amount of Iranian money for “appearing on PressTV”’

    How much money has Sheldon Adelson paid Donald Trump?

    How much money did Haim Saban pay Hillary Clinton?

    You don’t want to go there, Lot.

    • Replies: @Lot
  79. @Just passing through

    ‘It is too late now in my opinion, either Israel will be destroyed or Iran will be destroyed’

    You can’t ‘destroy Iran.’

    It’s a real nation, and barring an act of genocide eclipsing any in human history, regardless of what you do a new Iran will simply emerge from the ashes.

    Destroying Israel, on the other hand, is simply a matter of persuading enough Jews to book flights from Ben Gurion to JFK.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  80. chris says:
    @ld

    that’s (sadly) excellent, Id; thanks!

  81. @former-vet

    ‘… Maybe smashing the theocracy in Iran changes things…”

    And when you’ve ‘smashed the theocracy,’ the suitably chastened survivors, filled with love for their new masters, will peaceably submit to the new, more secular and submissive order you impose.

    Have I got that right?

    They wouldn’t be filled with hate and a desire for revenge or anything, would they?

    …just how much were you planning to invest in this project, by the way? Because I see the cost as at least ten times that of Iraq, and the prospects for success even dimmer.

    It’ll be the grave of America-as-global-hegemon. On the bright side, itll also mean the end of Israel. No more milk for baby.

    There are cheaper ways of reaching the same end, though.

  82. We might note the role of uber-Zionist Israel-firster Sheldon Adelson in this outrage. Trump rode into office fueled by that casino hustler’s two hundred and fifty million dollar “campaign contribution”, which led to the moving of our embassy to Jerusalem and a seal of approval for the seizure of more Palestinian land. He is doing the same during the current election. When will the American people tire of Zionist money buying politicians in this country, fatally warping our domestic and foreign policies?

  83. @Robert Dolan

    Trump has a big ego and has been manipulated by the zios from early life. They never wanted him, but now having him as president, they ensure that every input and information reaching him, is from them. He’s a true puppet.
    The deep state wants a war to prevent the coming financial crash. If they cannot destroy Iran, China, Russia, they are done.
    All the rest is just Kabuki (democracy, human rights, justice, faith, spirituality and religion, race). The Bankers or money changers who are predominantly Zionists will not let go.
    If you have no empathy then the human race is fair game.

  84. annamaria says:

    Russians are puzzled why the US (that has been supplying US-made weaponry to the collection of the openly terrorist organizations including ISIS and Ukrainian neo-Nazi) pretends on being a moral authority and even go so far as designating Russia a terrorist state.
    Here is a newly-baked congressional profiteer Gardner: https://www.gardner.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/foreign-relations-committee-passes-gardners-hard-hitting-russia-sanctions-package

    Words from Russia: https://thesaker.is/view-from-russia-is-russia-a-country-which-supports-terrorism/

    Representatives of the political elites of the United States do not understand how much grief the residents of Russia experienced at the beginning of the formation of their new state after the collapse of the Soviet Union. The terrorist attacks that occurred in Beslan, in Budennovsk, in Nord-OST, in Moscow apartment buildings, and in other cities greatly shocked Russians…

    At the same time, as the facts indicate, at various times the US government indirectly supported or directly financed the Afghan and Iranian Mujahideen, al-Qaeda, and the Kosovo liberation army, which the US first included in the list of terrorist organizations. Moreover, the US government quietly excluded Ukrainian nationalist military formations which in fact are the successors of the ideology of fascist collaborators during the Second World War.

    Was it the success of Russians and Iranian in fighting the US/Israel-armed ISIS, which prompted the dual citizens of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to accuse Russia in bad behavior? Here they are, the prominent war profiteers: https://www.foreign.senate.gov/about/membership

  85. Trump is stupid and has been manipulated by the zios from early life. They wanted Killery, but now having him as president, they ensure that every input and information reaching him, is from them. He’s a true puppet.
    The deep state wants a war to prevent the coming financial crash. If they cannot destroy Iran, China, Russia, they are done.
    All the rest is just Kabuki (democracy, human rights, justice, faith, spirituality and religion, race).
    The Bankers and money changers who are predominantly Zionists will not let go.
    They have no empathy and for them the human race is fair game.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  86. @Ilya G Poimandres

    i have a sneeking suspicion that they know that better in Qom, and please post evidence from both the Quran and from the islamic scholars to your statement.
    The US already declared war by killing an offical from another nation on a diplomatic mission, Iran do not have to declare a thing, just avenge the blood off the martyrs.

  87. @Republic

    Everyone should hear EMJ’s take on this event.

    This is the best analysis I have seen.

    However…..the Dems will not add this assassination to the impeachment because no matter how much the left complains, Schumer and Nadler and Schiff are OVERJOYED by this event.

  88. @Paul

    The neocons and Netanyahu “seem” to regard Trump as a useful idiot? There’s no “seem” about it. Ferengi always first view non-Ferengi as useful idiots.

    • Replies: @Paul
  89. @Alfred

    off course, he is playing interdimensional 4d chess.

    /s off

    the wokeness in you is strong.

    • LOL: Amerimutt Golems
  90. @follyofwar

    It is interdimensional 4d chess these days…

  91. @Antares

    Again an incoherent reply by Antres.
    The President (Trump) is a puppet. He might tweet like a birdy, but basically hes a caged bird. If all the information he’s getting is false, there’s no way he knows the way forward.
    This is going to be an epic war. The war with Vietnam was a lightweight ideological war, this is going to be never ending. This one is about money.
    This one is about the dollar and it’s survival.
    More than most, the Jews are invested in it.

    • Replies: @Antares
  92. annamaria says:
    @Daniel Rich

    “mazel tov, ol’ boy”

    – Bibi has been punished already by the idiocy and obscenity of his progeny: “Benjamin Netanyahu’s son recorded telling Israeli gas tycoon’s son at strip club that his father’s help pushing a $20 billion oil deal that benefited the friend’s father entitles Netanyahu Jr. to the 400 shekel ($116) prostitution fee.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/t

    “Bro, my dad now arranged for you a $20bn deal, and you can’t spot me 400 shekels?” Li’l B reportedly tells his friend in the tape, adding, “he fought, fought in the Knesset for this, bro.” The tape, recorded on an evening when Netanyahu the Younger’s security and transportation were being sponsored by the state, ferrying them between strip clubs. The tape pauses at one point for Netanyahu Jr. to receive a call from his mother.

    “Ya’air has also been linked to his father’s [and mother’s] financial corruption cases; Yair Netanyahu compares Israeli media to Nazi filmmaker Riefenstahl and tells Boteach in NYC his father saves Jews ‘from annihilation’ https://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/yair-netanyahu/
    You can not make this up. Mileikowsky family! Bibi, his wife, and their issue. A total lack of shame. Psychopaths. Amazing what Jewish diaspora can buy for the Jewish State leadership. Mazel Tov indeed.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  93. @chris

    Nothing better illustrates Israel’s true character. What’s shocking is even that won’t wake up the brain-dead evangelicals.

  94. @Onlooker

    Former British leader Harold Macmillan compared brash Pax Americana to Imperial Rome and the sly Brits to Greece.

    However, that analogy didn’t factor in the formidable Israel Lobby of today.

  95. @Patriot

    People aren’t paying attention to the modus operandi.

    Even Biden is in the same boat.

  96. Amanda says:
    @Priss Factor

    Angelo John Gage is right, something changed with Trump-he’s clearly made a 180 in terms of foreign policy.

    Mike Whitney makes an excellent case that Trump made a deal with the deep state to make the Mueller investigation go away. Trump changed his foreign policy and made such changes to be in line with the Establishment and then the Mueller investigation went away.

    And now, of course, with the “jew coup,” they now have a knife to his neck in the form of impeachment.

    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/tit-for-tat-why-did-mueller-let-trump-off-the-hook/

  97. MarkinLA says:

    Trump’s main stupidity is not understanding these vendetta cultures. He doesn’t realize that the Iranians may not do anything now or even in 10 years. 20 years from now somebody might walk right up to what is left of the Trump family and explode a suicide vest. It may not even have anything to do with the Iranian government, just a family settling old scores. Will the US government then actually care? Probably not. This is what keeps the relative peace in those parts of the world, knowing that the debt of blood doesn’t die with just one generation.

    • Replies: @utu
  98. @Authenticjazzman

    Another gay soldier, not that there’s anything wrong with that. Iran knows the paper tiger US military poses no threat. If peasants with rifles in Afghanistan could defeat the mighty US army for almost 20 years, Iran with a giant armed forces and backing from Russia and China won’t have any problems. When did the US military last win a “war?” Grenada in 1983 when they defeated a bunch of Cuban medical students. I believe Clint Eastwood made a movie about that and he was said to be “more attractive than ever” at the time of filming.

  99. sally says:
    @Robert Dolan

    the problem is American values are not securely protected by their USA government. The government is not a nation, its an organization with a contract to manage the governance of America. There is a giant security loop hole in the way that the Article II persons are selected.. The Electoral College does not always track the popular vote of the people, its a place where states posture with the two dominate political parties.. in behind the scenes shenanigans which most always leads to corruption, and corruption means access to the presidency and vp can be purchased, even controlled or regulated by hidden third parties. . It really does not matter if Israel planned the event, what matters is, the design of our governmental organization (the USA), cannot adequately restrain the persons responsible for executing its functions. Insufficient checks and balances leave vulnerable Americans to whimsical, illegal, or immoral actions of those who have been hired to conduct the affairs of the offending position.

    Americans must remember the President is a hired hand. He or she is paid a salary to perform the executive duties required of the corporation DBA USA.

  100. bjondo says:

    Smiling Jew JB’s smile will get wiped away.
    Not all Jew dreams-come-true have happy ending.

    https://nypost.com/2020/01/03/john-bolton-cheers-airstrike-that-killed-iran-general-qassem-soleimani/

    Natural Selection works in mysterious ways,
    as if a guiding hand in play.

    5ds

  101. utu says:
    @MarkinLA

    “Trump’s main stupidity is not understanding these vendetta cultures.” – I wonder why because after all America is vendetta culture as well. You can get Americans behind insane anti-Iran policies by bringing up the US embassy hostage situation that happened 40 years ago.

  102. JUSA says:
    @Antares

    My prediction is neither China nor Russia will come to Iran’s rescue in the case of war, at least not in direct confrontation, maybe in logistics like supply of food and weapons.

    China is building a huge port in Israel, several large infrastructure projects in Pakistan and needs oil from Saudi Arabia. Putin invited Netanyahu to sit with him at Sochi Olympics Opening. The Chinese just wants to do business. Whatever’s good for business is good for China. They stand with no one ideologically, only money, and jobs for 1.4 Billion Chinese.

    Xi’s mission is clear, Make China Great Again. And Putin’s mission is clear, Make Russia Great Again. Trump, meanwhile, promises Make America Great Again but is delivering Make Israel Great Again.

    At best, Xi and Putin will step in to mediate and negotiate peace — after Iran has had their revenge, which will be minimal unless it involves taking out one or all 3 of the Pence-Pompeo-Kushner axis of evil.

  103. ‘Trump’s main stupidity is not understanding these vendetta cultures. He doesn’t realize that the Iranians may not do anything now or even in 10 years. 20 years from now somebody might walk right up to what is left of the Trump family and explode a suicide vest…’

    I doubt if he cares. He has to appease Sheldon Adelson et al right now.

    If my house has caught fire, hand me a fire extinguisher but tell me the foam may be carcinogenic.

    What do you predict I will do?

    …actually, Iran might want to think about whacking Sheldon Adelson. Assuming they can execute the hit, that could really set the cat among the pigeons.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Lot
  104. scrub says:

    Someone is trying to calm things down.

    Here E Michael Jones being interviewed yesterday on Iran’s Press TV. Don’t underestimate Jones’ influence. I guarantee that every high official in Iran has probably seen this interview.

  105. @Anon

    “I don’t wish death on anyone”

    Why?

  106. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/2231/background
    was trying to see if this UN resolution banned suleiman from travelling .

    Dont see anywhere in this UN resolution.
    But Zio bot is claiming

  107. @Rev. Spooner

    “They wanted Killery…”

    No they didn’t. That’s why they did everything they could to undermine her campaign. That’s why Obama attacked the Syrian army at Deir Ezzor, in Sept. 2016.

    Clinton is just another career political opportunist. She’ll gladly murder for them but within limits. She’s not going to risk starting WW3 and killing herself for jewish sumpremacist madmen. They needed an evil ideolgue. They needed an extremist willing to take any risk. That’s why Trump is in the white house and not Clinton or Sanders.

  108. @Wally

    Obama stuck to blowing up goat herders and weddings.

  109. Paul says:

    Netanyahu and the neoconservatives consider Donald Trump to be a gullible goy.

  110. @joe2.5

    It has Mossad written all over it.

  111. renfro says:

    I wonder what Trump would do if his daughter was assassinated?

    If Trump keeps dragging his feet on all out war it would be like Israel to arrange her murder on one of her trips and blame it on Iran thinking that would send Trump into a rage and nuke Iran.

    Either that or he would collapse into a drooling incoherent puddle and have to be hospitalized in a mental ward.

    • Replies: @John Q Public
    , @Desert Fox
  112. @Momus

    A reply from Israel’s fifth column.

  113. Wingless Orange dodo
    Steps in assassination doo-doo.
    Brainless war crime lulu
    Convinces world ‘Murka is kookoo.

  114. @Mitch Bennington

    Russia will sit on the side lines, licking its chops and anxiously awaiting the day when America has spent/fought itself into a mere shadow of its former self and finally dies of the last of a thousand cuts. It will then be there with the rest of the vultures to pick her carcass clean.

    • Replies: @Herald
  115. It is obviously better to kill Soleimani in Iraq than to bomb an oil field in Iran. Why did you write this article?

    • Agree: TKK
  116. @renfro

    Did you have a lot to drink before you wrote this?

    • Replies: @renfro
  117. @Colin Wright

    Yikes, Colin. Blowback upon Adelson, eh? Hm. Very interesting but it’s doubtful a 🌟 will be appearing to the right of your screen-name anytime soon.

    Thanks & my respect!

  118. @Paul

    Is it possible that Trump is implicated in the Epstein sex ring and is being blackmailed by Mossad? Could it date further back to his time as a sleazy businessman in New York where he undoubtedly came into contact with many Jewish businessmen? Or could it be a combination of the above factored in with his daughter being married to Jew Kushner, thus forming an alliance with the Jews much like Kings and Queens of different nations used to marry their children to eachother to serve as a blood bond?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  119. @renfro

    Trump is the reincarnation of the Roman emperor Caligula.

  120. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    “ How much money has Sheldon Adelson paid Donald Trump?”

    Zero.

    Uncle Shel has generously funded Trump’s campaign by about $35 million in 2016 and probably a larger amount in 2020. But Trump has lost a lot of money by running for President. His best money maker was letting towers use his name and other types of branding, and he’s lost that.

    He’s still gotten richer because his actual real estate portfolio in NYC in SF has gone up so much.

  121. US invaded Iraq and removed Hussein, the obstacle between Iran and Syria. Without Hussein, Iraq joins the Shia crescent. Jews don’t like that, so the US now plays the role of Hussein. What irony.

    US has become the ‘New Hussein’.

    We must ask, ‘who sane?’

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
  122. Agent76 says:

    January 03, 2020 There can be no justification for this act of murder

    “America’s lawless arrogance has gone too far with the assassination of Iran’s top military commander. The deadly airstrike against General Qasem Soleimani was carried out on the order of President Donald Trump.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52797.htm

    Jan 3, 2020 Iran has the ‘right to retaliate’ over US ‘act of war’

    Tehran University’s Mohammed Marandi says the US’ “murder” of a senior Iranian military commander is “definitely an act of war”.

    Jun 18, 2019 4 Times the US Threatened to Stage an Attack and Blame it on Iran

    The US has threatened to stage an attack and blame it on Iran over and over in the last few years. Don’t let a war based on false pretenses happen again.

    • Agree: Desert Fox
  123. Omegabooks [AKA "Anon"] says:

    Well, if the Talmudists force Trump’s goyim to go to war with Iran and die by the thousands so no “Jewish fingernail” is hurt, then how can the end-times Ha Mossiach Jews own 800 gentile slaves per Jew? Again, these Kabblah Talmud idiots can’t do the math! (Hint: for the 20 million Jews to own 800 gentile slaves per Jew there has to be 16 billion gentiles on Earth! Good idea to kill off all us gentiles, now isn’t it, you Talmudic idiots!)

  124. Brewer says:

    Pure speculation on my part but I suggest that Iran’s retaliation may be felt in Saudi Arabia and could well result in the fall of the shaky house of Saud.
    25% OF Saudi citizens are Shiite and many Sunnis are disaffected. If Iran does not have a covert organization among them and a contingency plan I will bare my bum in Walmart. The regime is not popular, its military appears incompetent, propped up only by America. Effecting regime change there would be a painful, possibly fatal blow to American interests and could be implemented with little or no trace.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Colin Wright
  125. @Alfred

    All of a sudden I feel the urge to hook up a tractor to the manure. If the Epstein – Mossad operation had Trump tapes, that means we are staying in Syria and Iraq. Definitely not leaving. Also means Trump is an eventual loose end to be dealt with. He has no upper hand in your scenario.

  126. Uncle Sam says:

    Thru his withdrawal from the JCPOA, Trump has painted himself and America into corner which will lead to 2 choices, both of which will result in personal and national humiliation. The first is to withdraw the American military from the region or face defeat at the hands of the Iranian military and Iran’s allies.

  127. renfro says:

    I doubt they calling to sign up. Bringing back the draft would be good though, it would make the public react to all the politicians wars of choice.

    US government agency website crashes amid panic over military draft

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/us-government-agency-website-crashes-212942668.html

    In the aftermath of the US drone strike that killed the Iranian general Qassem Suleimani in Baghdad, the phrase “World War III” began trending on social media.

    More startlingly, a US government agency which registers young men for a potential military draft saw its website crash from traffic overload.

    “Due to the spread of misinformation,” the Selective Service System (SSS) tweeted on Friday, “our website is experiencing high traffic volumes at this time … We appreciate your patience.”

    It added that it was “conducting business as usual” and emphasised that a return to the draft is not imminent: “In the event that a national emergency necessitates a draft, Congress and the president would need to pass official legislation.”

  128. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    Feel the love!

    His wife is much more political than he is, he ignored politics outside of gaming regulations before they married.

    Once he’s gone, I bet she’ll step up the spending considerably.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  129. renfro says:
    @John Q Public

    Did you have a lot to drink before you wrote this?

    Nope just thinking like the Israelis.

  130. Z-man says:
    @Desert Fox

    Da!
    Don’t forget the even nuttier Christian Zionists (Oxymoron) who want to end it all for Zion in order to bring on the 4 Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  131. utu says:
    @Priss Factor

    When American army was reaching Bagdad in 2003 the neocons were asking whether should we turn left or right and proceed to Damascus or Teheran. It seemed that Damascus was the favored destination for neocons then, even though Syria was not a part of the Axis of Evil, as Syria was being accused of all sorts wrongdoings like supporting Saddam regime in the war with America.

    Banned Arms Flowed Into Iraq Through Syrian Firm
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2003-dec-30-fg-iraqarms30-story.html

    Syria was conduit for Saddam arms
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/31/syria.iraq

    Former Iraqi general Georges Sada claimed that in late 2002, Saddam had ordered all of his stockpiles to be moved to Syria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMD_conjecture_in_the_aftermath_of_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq

  132. @Lot

    So what if Giraldi, Corbyn, or anyone else accepts money from RT and Press TV? Both have a hell-of-a-lot better record of publishing facts than all the Jew-owned, Jew-dominated news media put together.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  133. Hbm says:

    Been wondering if Israel did it and Trump is covering for them and hiding his powerlessness.

  134. @Carroll Price

    For what it’s worth Carroll I have NEVER accepted money from ANY FOREIGN SOURCE.

    • Thanks: Lot
    • LOL: Agent76
  135. @annamaria

    Hilarious how many stereotypes are in that Guardian article.

  136. Harbinger says:

    “President Bill Clinton once launched a mini-cruise-missile-war on targets in Sudan and Afghanistan to serve as a distraction from the Monica Lewinski scandal.”

    A distraction, or him simply doing what he was told to do, didn’t and thus the subsequent scandal happened? Like every president of the US and every prime minister of the UK, elected into office, all were selected, a long time previous, by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) in the US and the Royal Institute for International Affairs (RIIA) in London. This has been going on for over 130 years at least. Presidents and Prime Ministers don’t make mistakes. They get a ‘kick up the back side’ when they’re dragging their heels and not following the script, they agreed to before becoming premier of their land.
    There are no premiers for the people. They have always been controlled automatons doing precisely what they’re told to do, by the very people who brought them to power in the first place. And no, it’s not the people and never was.

  137. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Sunni people in Syria and Iraq become people without a country.

    Where would you get that idea, the Jerusalem Post?
    Iraq under Saddam was secular, and Syria under the Assad’s is secular. That was the quirk of the Ba’athists, they didn’t care about your religious views, only that political views not be included in your religion. Similarly, the Sunnis in Iran are not persecuted for religious beliefs, and Sunnis are in the Majlis, which also has reserved seats for minorities, including Armenians, Jews, and Zoroastians.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  138. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “WATCH: Zionists in Pittsburgh Assault Anti-War Protesters for Criticizing Israel.
    A peaceful anti-war protest was interrupted in Pittsburgh on Saturday when Zionists assaulted fellow anti-war protesters for daring to criticize Israel and wealthy American Jews for their role in instigating war with Iran.
    Mike Elk @MikeElk
    A bunch of Nazis just tried to invade anti-war rally and got a classic yinzer anti-fa boot.

    Wild scene.

    ..
    https://russia-insider.com/en/watch-zionists-pittsburgh-assault-anti-war-protesters-criticizing-israel/ri28129

  139. @Robert Dolan

    Have problem with how Robert Dolan wrote: “Zion Don is not just a fuckup…..he’s a DANGEROUS fuckup.”

    To Robert Dolan,

    Trumpstein’s “fuck ups” are approved & celebrated by the Supremacist Jews 🤑who selected him to be ZUS president.👺

    His next scheduled & advantageous “fuck up” is an aerial butchery of the Islamic Republic of Iran. Reckon Trumpstein’s masters are somewhat pissed off with zionized V.P Mike Pence who now outrageously blames Iran for doing 9/11.😳

    Zionist Evangelist Pence must get his lyin’ script/story straight because a majority of dumb goyim Americans are still convinced OBL’s al-Qaeda did it! Now there’s Jewish “chatter” circulating about drafting those of age and who were suckered into supporting the ZUS military revenge-hunt for OBL in Tora-Bora.😧

    P.S.: Today, the Zionized Trumpstein fanatic, Sean Hannity, insisted he is against a ZUS ground war, with American “Boots on the Ground” in Iran. Haha. Little Hannity got script down, 🤑so he instead prefers complete aerial annihilation of all that makes Iran a modern nation; in haste deliver Iranians into being grateful hunters & gatherers, and appoint a leader like Paul Bremer was while safely misgoverning inside chaotic, bleeding, but “Liberated” Baghdad👺
    P.S., Part 2: Sean Hannity is a just a useful and prized propogandist “fuck up.” 🇮🇱.

    • Replies: @Hail
  140. “Clinton may have been a serial philanderer”

    There’s no “may” about it. Swine Clinton was a serial philander and adulterer. A shameless one at that. Still is, if Bill can still get ‘it’ up. Lol…

  141. @vot tak

    Curious that U.S. government officials denied Ukrainian prosecutors requests for visas to visit. They’ve also denied Russians planning to travel to the UN.
    The rot runs deep or merely a co-incidence?

    • Replies: @vot tak
  142. Yo Phil!

    As a Scranton foreigner, you might have forgotten how I tried to bribe you by buying & mailing you an anti-Semitic short sleeve T-Shirt. Regrettably, they were out-of-stock, and subsequently I do not “own you.”

  143. anastasia says:

    They did not tell Congress, nor did they tell their NATO allies who had soldiers there, but they told Israel. Good grief. Why not hand America over to Israel.

  144. @Lot

    Hey zLot!

    Fyi, I had a blind date with Adelson’s wife when single, and after trying to buy her love while at an Atlantic City barroom, she turned to salt. 🙏

  145. Moi says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Forget Ukraine-gate. Trump needs to be impeached for putting the interests of Israel ahead of American interests.

    PS: I can’t imagine that pipsqueak Israeli did not have a hand in the murder.

  146. The JCPOA was good for the United States, supportive of non-proliferation efforts…

    Yes it was, but it has nothing to do with non-proliferation.
    Former Reagan nuclear advisor, Dr Gordon Prather, was blowing holes in the Iran nukes and in contravention of the IAEA narrative during the Bush 43 regime. https://original.antiwar.com/prather/

    The JCPOA is an economic boon to the US and Israel, considering that Canada, in 2009 about 3 years after announcement, decommissioned its reactors and stopped producing molybdenum-99, the precursor to nuclear medicine radio-pharmaceuticals. Canada produced about 1/3 of the world’s supply. This meant shortages, which the Iranian reactors had more than enough capacity to make up the shortfall, but that means enriching to 20%. The IAEA was monitoring enrichment pre JCPOA, and has continued to do so.

    The reality is, that under the Non Proliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory, not only does Iran have the right to develop nuclear technology for peaceful purposes, other signatories, which means the US, are obligated to assist in that development. Israel’s yapping about Iran’s nuclear program isn’t about weapons, it’s about Iran’s capacity to supply the world with molybdenum-99 and technetium-99 for medical purposes at a much lower cost than either Israel or the US can. It is a billion dollar industry that Iran can corner.
    All wars are economic wars. It’s all about the Benjamins.

  147. @Z-man

    Agree, they are what Lenin called useful idiots, and if the zionists ever get our guns they will be among the first put up against the wall.

  148. c matt says:
    @Wally

    Well, yes and no. They were just as craven, but I don’t think the targets were calculated to create quite the same level of backlash. In that sense, the targets were less consequential.

    • Replies: @Wally
  149. c matt says:
    @Mike G

    There are 52 cards in a deck. Maybe he wants to gamble?

  150. “Now that the U.S. has also killed Soleimani and Muhandis in the drone strike at Baghdad Airport, clearly accomplished without the approval of the Iraqi government, it is inevitable that the prime minister will ask American forces to leave even though Trump is threatening sanctions if that demand is actually made.”

    And this is the issue of vital concern — sovereignty. We are making some lousy choices with respect to sovereignty.

    Given our own issues with sovereignty — careless choices. And in many ways a weak move. If in fact we believed that Iran was the culprit, the gutsy move — would be to hit Iran. This is another interventionist case that sounds really weak.

    • Troll: ChuckOrloski
  151. Miro23 says:
    @Brewer

    Pure speculation on my part but I suggest that Iran’s retaliation may be felt in Saudi Arabia and could well result in the fall of the shaky house of Saud.

    Good piece of pure speculation that. It’s hard to find a more corrupt and useless crowd than the House of Saud (best friends with Donald Trump and Israel).

  152. @Just passing through

    Jews own Donald Trump. They bailed him out of at least 3 bankruptcies and maybe more. Without Jews, Trump would be a forgotten has-been – a nobody. Interestingly enough, Jews owned and controlled the compulsive gambler and drunkard, Winston Churchill for the exact same reason.

    • Agree: geokat62
  153. @Moi

    That won’t work. Democrats love Jews, and get more money from them than do Republicans.

  154. @Paul

    “Netanyahu and the neoconservatives consider Donald Trump to be a gullible goy.”

    No they don’t; rather, they KNOW with certainty that he’s a hard-core militant zionist extremist who believes that jews must rule the world and who is willing to die and/or to kill millions if not billions of people to make it happen.

  155. Yo geokat!

    Haha. On Super Bowl Sunday, 2020 candidates,👺Trumpstein & Bloomberg will compete (conjoined) by offering prized TalmudVision commercials! Please look at report down below?

    Hm. Maybe Trumpstein shall pay Robert Kraft’s New England Patriots sidelined-quarterback, Tom Brady, to throw a “Big Time” pass to Jared Kushner and quickly, Rush Limbaugh signals a hometeam Tel Aviv touchdown.🙌

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/07/donald-trump-10-million-dollar-super-bowl-ad-095623

    • Replies: @geokat62
  156. @Ghali

    Excellent points, Ghali.

    Personally, I support MIPA: Make Israel Palestine Again.

  157. @Moi

    ‘Forget Ukraine-gate. Trump needs to be impeached for putting the interests of Israel ahead of American interests.’

    There’s a stroke of genius. Pence will become President and then Israel will see some real service.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  158. @Brewer

    ‘Pure speculation on my part but I suggest that Iran’s retaliation may be felt in Saudi Arabia and could well result in the fall of the shaky house of Saud…’

    Pures speculation on my part, but I think that after that drone strike on her oil facility, Saudi Arabia discreetly but swiftly resigned from the Drang nach Tehran and let Iran know.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re no longer a target.

    It may be just us and boss man.

    Iran could always copy us. Nail an airliner. I wouldn’t recommend that, though.

  159. “Iran cannot directly confront the US militarily”

    well, Phil, they just did:

    ‘Murkan ZOG military bases across Iraq were just hit by an Iranian missile barrage.

    heavy casualties. So

    the Zionists, Drumpf, neo-conz, and all the shabbataz goyim have got their War of Choice.

    and may they all die in it.

  160. @joe2.5

    We are their goy…their white slaves! We have a literally bankrupted our country holding their bag. Trump is insane because Israel is insane; they own us. The Real Mafia had a higher morality than the Israeli thugs.

  161. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Trumpstein & Bloomberg will compete (conjoined) by offering prized TalmudVision commercials!

    At this point, Chuck, how the American people can continue to take these (s)elections seriously is beyond me. Isn’t it blatantly obvious even to the blind that the so-called choice comes down to which Zionist monkey will best do the bidding of his Jewish Supremacist masters?

    Why anyone bothers to lend credibility to this bogus political process is beyond me!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  162. Iris says:

    Zionist media “Daily Mail” and Huffington Post announced that Iran has fired “dozens of rockets” on two US airbases in Iraq, Ain Al Asad and Erbil.

    This is confirmed on pro-Syrian Lebanon TV channel Al Mayadeen:

    Nancy Pelosi: “The USA and the world cannot bear the burden of another war”.
    Sad Zionist clowns thinking that they can rule the world.

  163. @Alfred

    The events occurring today in Iraq as I type would seem to contradict your delusion.

    But, yes, the “genius” and his 69-dimensional chess game, Q said so. Of course.

  164. @geokat62

    Well, Brat geo, the “political process” 🇮🇱 to which decieved Americans offer trust is heralding in war with Iran, on Russian Christmas 2020.

    My respect, thanks, & care for you, George!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  165. @Iris

    Sad Zionist clowns thinking that they can rule the world

    The rule the West anyway.

    • Replies: @TKK
    , @Iris
  166. @Carroll Price

    A haiku:

    Orange goy baboon.
    Shelley Adelson screams, “Jump!”
    Baboon asks, “How high?”

  167. Spencer finally makes some good sense. Long live Iran. Death to Weimerica.

    https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/with_replies

    • Replies: @TKK
  168. TKK says:
    @Gizmo880

    There is one rational, predictable actor in the ME- Israel.

    They unfailingly act in their own self interest, but they are going to share intelligence and cooperate with the USA along the way- if it betters their survival.

    Any President who wants an ear to the ground in the morass of Shia/Sunni lunacy must cooperate with Israel. It is undisputed their intelligence capabilities are the best in the world.

  169. TKK says:
    @Priss Factor

    Your ignorance of the horrific reality of living under the iron boot of a theocracy is deeply unsettling, absurd and treasonous.

    It’s a relief you are just another loon on Unz and have no actual influence on the global stage.

  170. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    My respect, thanks, & care for you, Chuck!

  171. TKK says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Wait a minute- grammar police!!!

    That’s a gold star commenter! He didn’t proofread.

    Unz, the Jewish, probably gay millionaire who RABIDLY advocates for more immigration, after insulting all of you homegrown white boys that keep his site barely relevant

    – choose a sloppy writer for his coveted approval.

    The world doesn’t make sense anymore

    (sobs, rips shirt)

    Why God why???

    • Replies: @geokat62
  172. Iris says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    The IRGC have declared that any US “regional ally” that would allow striking Iran from its territory will also be object of strikes. They mean Israel.

    Iranian ballistic missiles used were Qiyam and Zulfikhar types

    It seems certain that several US military aircrafta stationed at Ain Al Asad airbase were destroyed.

    Extremely regrettably, it seems that many US troops have been killed too; may Israel be damned.

  173. It occurs to me that for those with a morbid sense of humor, there’s one line this confrontation can take that would prove amusing.

    Israel and Iran can have it out. Israel can fight to the last American gentile, and Iran will fight to the last Iraqi Arab.

    USA! USA! USA! I’ll see your IED, and raise you another Abu Ghraib.

  174. geokat62 says:
    @TKK

    Wait a minute- grammar police!!!

    That’s a gold star commenter! He didn’t proofread.

    Unz… – choose a sloppy writer for his coveted approval.

    Neither did you:

    Unz… – chose a sloppy writer for his coveted approval.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword!

    • Replies: @TKK
  175. Herald says:
    @Paul

    Whereas the rest of the world views him as just an idiot.

  176. Some points to get the hysterics back down to a reasonable level:

    – Yeah, Mossad probably had better intelligence on Soleimani than the US did. There’s no doubt constant exchange of current information between Mossad and the CIA. Nothing new there.
    – Iran has been at unofficial, undeclared war with the Great Satan ever since Khomeini took over.
    – The US long ago declared the Quds Force and other Iranian supported offshoots as terrorist organizations.
    – Iran’s method of waging war with the US has been 4G, surreptitious instead of direct, proxies instead of their armed forces.
    – Iranian 4G warfare doesn’t recognize national boundaries; Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq have always been involved.
    – Throughout this undeclared war, hundreds of US personnel have been killed.
    – The JCPOA was an exercise in wishful thinking that gave billions of dollars to Iran in exchange for their vague promises about nothing in particular. Can people ever stop themselves and put limits on their deluded fantasies?
    – Iran is not going to change their methods just because of one high profile incident. After all, why change something that’s been working perfectly fine already? The area is not going to be plunged into WWIII.
    – Over the years, Trump has deliberately perfected a speaking style that energizes his base and enrages his enemies. He isn’t some swaggering cowboy worried about foisting his maleness off on everybody else. Alpha males don’t have anything to prove… what about you?
    – Moslems are either at your throat or at your feet, stong horse or weak horse. The alternative is to not be anywhere near them. With any luck, Trump intended all along to use reactions to this assassination as a handy excuse to start pulling out of Iraq. Of course, success depends on how far he can reign in the Deep State.

    Ladies, it’s time to stop hyperventilating.

  177. Herald says:
    @TKK

    Your ignorance of the horrific reality of living under the iron boot of a theocracy is deeply unsettling, absurd and treasonous.

    I would guess that load of twaddle was lifted straight from the CIA guide for new entrant trolls. Anyway well done, that’ll put him straight.

  178. The hot war has begun. Iran retaliated with missile attacks on American bases in Iraq. Warplanes are in the air to strike Iran. We now have the penultimate war the neocons and Likud wanted, with all the consequences to follow to lives and economy.

  179. @Iris

    may Israel be damned

    Enthusiastically seconded.

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
    • Replies: @Herald
  180. @TKK

    I don’t support the Iranian theocracy and see its dark side.

    But US is also a theocracy(or an idolacracy) where it’s mandatory for us to worship Jews, Shoah, Magic Negroes, and Globo-Homos. MLK cult is the religion of the US. If you reject Diversity, you are un-personed. If you take action against globo-homo desecration of churches with ‘gay victory’ banners, you are tried and sentenced to 14 yrs in jail. A company like Chick Fil A is forbidden to donate to Salvation Army. Any politician who doesn’t say Israel is America’s greatest ally will be purged.

    Freedom my ass. True, Iranian theocracy sucks, but at least it doesn’t equate spirituality with celebration of twerking blacks, Jewish supremacists, and sodomites.

    • Replies: @Yakov Smirnov III
    , @TKK
  181. Sibwalker says:
    @JamesinNM

    Agree with you James. But I also thing the Democrats will once again cheat Bernie out of a nomination. Perhaps he should run as an Independent and have an anti-war Tulsi as a running mate.

  182. @Priss Factor

    Finally somebody is starting to think!!!!!!!!!!!!

  183. Is it though?

    Now us troops can withdraw from Iraq, the Iraq govt can show it is legitimate at the same time.

    Israel has abandoned us, saying it’s nothing to do with them when they did the killing. That’s public. Best ally and ruling nation on record betraying us per usual.

    Iran is going to attack Saudi Arabia and Israel as US equivalents. Which is richly justified.

    The DNC is now an anti war party.

    The US can come down on everyone at once. Remember most of Obama’s cabinet was Iranian or educated in Iran. Peter Strozk went to school in Tehran.

    • Agree: SBaker
  184. Art says:

    The only one – from the start – uncompromised – trusted – loyal!

    Tulsi Gabbard — Peace Rock Star

  185. @Monotonous Languor

    ‘Some points to get the hysterics back down to a reasonable level…’

    Reality just trashed half your post.

  186. @Monotonous Languor

    Alpha males don’t have anything to prove

    Who said Trump was an “Alpha”? My own suspicions is that he is an asexual. The way he talks about sex is the way a freshly pubertal child does. It’s laughable, a little sad, and almost unreal. He’s probably not interested in woman carnally, only as tokens or talismans to project his artfully constructed “Alpha” image to his admiring hordes of men-children.

    Speaking of “unreal”, the hysterical belief in The Exalted One’s infallibility sycophantically displayed by yourself and other tonsured acolytes is, as they say, something else.

    • Replies: @TKK
  187. Iris says:
    @Iris

    According to Iranian news agencies:

    The first wave of rockets onto US military bases in Iraq were launched by the IRGC just before the burial of Qassem Solaimani, in retaliation for the murder of their commander.

    Tasnim news agency, which is close from the IRGC, has declared that all Iranian missiles launched hit their targets, and that US air defences interception rate was 0%.

    • Replies: @Iris
  188. TKK says:
    @geokat62

    Did you suffer a head injury?

    choose

    verb: choose; 3rd person present:
    pick out or select (someone or something) as being the best or most appropriate of two or more alternatives.

    It’s still happening – 3rd person present.

    BUT-

    I ” aint ” giving out gold stars to grown men.

    Brah!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  189. joe2.5 says:
    @TKK

    Sure, the whole world knows that the Zionists are best at propaganda. Not only they make people believe that their spying is the best, they use this belief to pass along all the bullshit they want others to swallow in order to take the fall for the Zionists.

    So what’s new?

  190. @Robjil

    Occam’s Razor implies the simplest answer. I’d say 52 card pickup. That game from grade school.

    Toss all the cards in the air and walk away. Let Bibi finish his game by himself

  191. TKK says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Yeah- that’s why he f*cks porn stars and talks about p*ssy, owned beauty pageants, and has a smokin’hot wife.

    He’s asexual.

    Sorry Man, but you are not clever, edgy or insightful. Your writing is dense and boring. I know RU wants to hook up with you, but don’t let it go to your head.

    Have you seen Unz? The recent photos? Sheesh. A face only a rabbi could love ( or priest if he was 50 years younger).

    • Troll: Art
  192. SBaker says:

    Qboy Salamimani earned his just reward and is happily playing with his 72 virgin camels.
    Then, we get to the ugly side of things. The fact is that when it came time to choose between America and one of the world’s thugs, the Left chose to attack America and to side with the thug. Some of the more infamous responses don’t need to be repeated. Nor do statements from Democrats running for their party’s nomination for president. Make no mistake President Trump is not bluffing. The bunker busters are coming to Iran. mr. Hussein Obama sent them our tax-dollars in cash; President Trump is going to punish the #1 sponsor of terrorism on the planet and it won’t be with cash.

    • Troll: Art
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  193. @Priss Factor

    And Iranian Theocracy doesn’t change rules every season to accommodate a new set of victims. The constant chaos is what (((they))) prefer. At least the Iranians have a consistent set of rules. And since anal sex is outlawed, their taxpayers don’t have to pay for big Pharma’s profits.

  194. @TKK

    It’s because of their fifth column in the West.

  195. @Curmudgeon

    Baathist Party was the official party of Iraq and Syria. Baathist party did keep religious enmities in check. After occupation of Iraq the first policy act debaathification executed by Brenan.
    After Baath party was gone the virulent hostilities of Sunni and Shi_ites came to the surface as ruling
    religious ideologies.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
    People need some ideology. People need something to beleave in.

  196. Iris says:
    @Iris

    Update from other Iranian news agencies:

    The timing of the Iranian strike was purposely chosen to match the time General Soleimani was killed.

    15 missiles were fired, 10 hit the American wing of the Ain Al Asad base, 1 the US Consulate in Erbil, and 4 remaining missiles were shot at Erbil military base.

    Bagdad’s sky is currently swarming with US helicopters; it is believed that they are transporting wounded and casualties, including Western military staff from Germany and Australia.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Parfois1
  197. @Colin Wright

    That’s a nonsense “argument.” We have to start somewhere to restore the constitution and the rule of law. If Pence commits crimes then Pence gets impeached and removed too; very simple.

  198. geokat62 says:
    @TKK

    Did you suffer a head injury?

    LOL. You’re obviously not a native speaker of the English language.

  199. @TKK

    If the US hadn’t made itself Israel’s bitch in the first place, it would now have no need of Israeli intelligence.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  200. Hail says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski

    the Zionized Trumpstein fanatic, Sean Hannity

    Tucker Carlson ran a packed show which was dominated totally by the Iran problem, prompted by the insane order to assassinate a foreign leader in peace time.

    I estimate the overall Tucker Carlson show for Jan. 7 was 50-60% anti-intervention, 30% neutral, <10% pro-intervention, <10% unrelated content, with a noticeable lack of commercials. (It’s as if they were desperate to get a message to Trump to stop the madness and so called off commercials today to maximize both the anti-war voices they could get on and total airtime.)

    The odds of Trump watching some/all of either/both Tucker and Hannity seems pretty high, so I figure it is worth paying attention.

    Tucker himself was clearly leaning towards anti-intervention, but he skillfully did it without saying a word against Trump and the blundering stupidity of ordering a foreign-leader assassinated in peacetime. Tucker also repeatedly said it is not a D vs. R thing (in the next hour, Hannity came nowhere near such nuance).

    As for the cavalcade of Tucker's guests, one and only one mentioned the word 'Israel;' he did so repeatedly, but only in saying "Israel and Saudi Arabia should take care of this; we shouldn't be involved."

    Tucker ran a pre-taped segment on the homeless/crazy problem in San Francisco, but I think thet cut it short to get in yet one more anti-interventionist guest before the hand-off to Hannity. The custom is for the hosts to greet each other and banter, even if just a few seconds. Hannity, this time, noticeably did not. He said not a word to Tucker, did not acknowledge him; he dove in with clenched teeth, immediately pounding the war drums.

    I'd estimate Hannity's show ran about 0% anti-intervention, 20% neutral (Ted Cruz seemed to lean this way), 80% pro-intervention.

  201. @SBaker

    ‘… Then, we get to the ugly side of things. The fact is that when it came time to choose between America and one of the world’s thugs…’

    Ahem. The choice wasn’t between America and ‘the thug.’ It was between Israel and ‘the thug.’

    Now ask yourself. Who supported ISIS? Israel or ‘the thug’? ‘The thug’ gave us intelligence that allowed us to target al Qaeda in Afghanistan after 9/11. We know Israel watched 9/11 happen without warning us.

    So who’s side are you on? Israel’s?

    I imagine you are.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  202. @TKK

    ‘… They unfailingly act in their own self interest, but they are going to share intelligence and cooperate with the USA along the way- if it betters their survival…’

    If the Israelis unfailingly act in their own interest, then why are they engineering a war that may very well end with their destruction?

    If we wind up in a ground war in Iran — as we very well may — it will end with us being utterly disgusted and retreating into a new isolationism.

    If we do that, Israel gets yanked off the tit. Without that big American tit to suck, Israel’s dead within five years.

    Israel’s not acting in her own interest. She’s just playing out her own disturbed pathology.

    Too bad for us that we let ourselves become her tool. But while we’ll survive — weakened but wiser — Israel won’t.

    That’s the only consolation in all this. It could all be done much more efficiently, but at least it’ll end up with no Israel.

  203. Iris says:
    @Iris

    Update from the UK:

    Zionist mouthpiece UK Daily Mail, which celebrated the murder of General Soleimani while he was on an official diplomatic mission to Iraq, now recognises that there could possibly British casualties as result of the strike.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7862981/Iran-launches-missiles-Iraq-base-housing-US-troops-state-TV.html

    The Daily Mail still manages to blame Jeremy Corbyn for refusing to label Soleimani a terrorist.
    This is an unbelievable illustration of chutzpah: while British soldiers are possibly being killed, their death is being used by those responsible for it to undermine a political opponent.

  204. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @SBaker

    When Trump shot missiles into Syria, just to show what an alpha male he is, the attack was pre-arranged, anyone who might have been harmed was scrambled.

    I think there’s at least 60% chance a similar scenario took shape re this Iranian missile attack: it was arranged so that Iran could save face, defuse white-hot anger; keep Americans from ruining their nail polish; keep Jews from, well from doing what Jews always do; and allow Trump to thump his chest: “No Americans were killed; I keep American’s safe.”

    Maybe Iraq was in on the deal:
    USA: we’ll allow a strike, let us get our people out of the way
    Iraq: We’ll let you stay
    Iran: We’ll overshoot the target
    Israel: It’s a holocaust!!

    PS Make that a 70% chance the attack pre-arranged: it is not Iran’s style to act so overtly and unimaginatively. It was pre-arranged.

    • Replies: @anon
  205. anon[323] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump has list of 52 targets in Iran for destruction. The 52 number escaped me, but it has been pointed out that the Iranian Revolution started with the taking of 52 at the embassy back in 76.

    Lol, what a worthless old Boomer coot. No young American solider should die because these Boomers saw some embassy nonsense on their dial TVs back in the 70s. Maybe there should be a maximum age for holding office.

  206. @Hail

    Hannity is a warmonger and a rabid zionist and has been a cheerleader for the MIC and the zionists who sign his paycheck.

    • LOL: Momus
    • Replies: @Hail
  207. @Colin Wright

    Israel and ZUS traitors did the joint attack on the WTC and blamed the muslims to get the excuse to destroy the middle east for Israel.

  208. @TKK

    Why the asterisks? I’m sure you’re old enough to use swears now and not have your Nintendo privileges revoked.

    f*cks [sic] porn stars and talks about p*ssy [sic], owned beauty pageants, and has a smokin’hot [sic] wife

    His legal team went to considerable efforts to prove that he didn’t have anything to do with this aged porn star. I truly believe they were defending an innocent man.

    Of course, another way of looking at his totemic feats is that it’s a whole lot of overcompensation. He’s not interested in being an “alpha” so much as making others believe that he is one. Which accounts for his fragile ego.

    • Replies: @Herald
  209. GW says:

    I’m so sorry for your loss.

  210. Hail says: • Website
    @Desert Fox

    Harsh but not wrong, I guess.

    As for Tucker Carlson: I haven’t followed his career closely, but I think 2000s-era Tucker was also classifiable as a passive Zionist (i.e., the default position for a Washington insider, which Carlson has been his whole life). By the mid or late 2010s, he was clearly (IMO) an anti-Zionist, even if hamstrung on what he can say on (or off) the air.

    I think Tucker had a political epiphany at some point between the late-2000s and mid-2010s, but I don’t know enough to pin it down any further.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  211. JUSA says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Well said! Those Persian ragheads have no idea what’s coming. America will win the war the way we won Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Cuba…

    Never mind.

    • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
  212. TKK says:
    @Priss Factor

    Spot on. You are right. The Alphabet Mafia and their ilk are the new Mullahs and Imams.

    Who knows where it ends? I see bold appropriation of white real estate for blacks and immigrants in a decade a la Zimbabwe and South Africa.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  213. ‘…I think Tucker had a political epiphany at some point between the late-2000s and mid-2010s, but I don’t know enough to pin it down any further.’

    For me, the transition came in late 2000. Once upon a time, I actually supported Israel.

    To misquote an old saying from Stalinist Russia: ‘there are those who have become anti-Zionists, those who are becoming anti-Zionists, and those who will become anti-Zionists.’

    It’s logically impossible to support Israel and yet be a person who is both moral and reasonably well-informed. It can’t be done.

    • Replies: @Hail
  214. Hail says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Late 2000, the Palestinian intifada and harsh Israeli suppression?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  215. Killing the arch terrorist Soleimani is literally the best thing to happen in the ME in decades.
    Surgical excision of a malignancy.
    Though to read it the think-tankers here at Unz would prefer to leave the Iranian people in Hell forever.
    Iran can overthrow its regime, it desperately wants to.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Biff
  216. @TKK

    Yes, and we’ll know exactly who is behind that.

    • Replies: @Momus
  217. @Hail

    ‘Late 2000, the Palestinian intifada and harsh Israeli suppression?’

    Bingo. Sharon’s walkabout on the Temple Mount and thereafter.

  218. @BendGuyhere

    ‘Killing the arch terrorist Soleimani is literally the best thing to happen in the ME in decades.
    Surgical excision of a malignancy.
    Though to read it the think-tankers here at Unz would prefer to leave the Iranian people in Hell forever.
    Iran can overthrow its regime, it desperately wants to.’

    What evil nonsense.

  219. Anon[422] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump-Pompeo foreign policy is not only incoherent, it is insane

    Insane! Maybe not incoherent.

    According to Mrs Sibel Edmonds, all what is happening in the Middle East has been carefully PLANNED since 9/11.

    She says that the media, especially FACEBOOK, ALWAYS want you to look in one direction, to focus on what they want you to concentrate on. The but is to keep you always busy reacting to their “news” (a social construction) on Facebook, so that during this time you remain unaware of what’s hapenning in Libya, France, Turkey, Israel, Egypt, Germany, Russia. All actions of the deep state have been carefully planned since 9/11. The DEEP STATE HAS CAREFULLY PLANNED ALL WHAT’S HAPPENING IN the Middle East, EUROPE, and the US since 9/11. The deep state and the media will continue to do so.

    This way, an increasing mass of ignorant FACEBOOKers is becoming more and more obedient and submissive to the deep state, i.e., to the mafia. This is extremely scarying.

    Sibel Edmonds Unscripted, Unedited & Unplugged: Trending Iran, East Med and Beyond

  220. @Brabantian

    Now I know why the U.S. pulled the rug out from under the Shah shortly after this interview. He committed the ultimate sin by telling the truth.

  221. @Hail

    FOX did not re-run Tucker’s show at 9 p.m. PST tonight as they usually do. Instead they re-ran Shannon Bream’s show. My guess is FOX got a call from the White House to kill Tucker’s re-run.

    • Replies: @Hail
  222. Druid says:
    @TKK

    Didn’t I tell you to away long ago, you relentless Zio

  223. utu says:
    @Brabantian

    “The West couldn’t stand the fact that Iran was standing up for itself.”

  224. “• Troll: ChuckOrloski”

    No one some issues — such as war —

    Prudent.

    Not at all like a troll. You are invited to make the case.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  225. For some people being conservative actually has meaning.

  226. The casino magnate is gambling on “Double or Nothing.”

  227. Parfois1 says:
    @Iris

    The timing of the Iranian strike was purposely chosen to match the time General Soleimani was killed.

    It appears there is then a symbolic meaning to the Iranian missile salvo as a gun salute to the slain warrior.

    I hope the Iranians repeat that salute at least once weekly in remembrance of gen. Soleimani until the Middle East is rid of foreigners, including the (((occupiers))) of Palestine.

    Thank you for the regular reporting.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Iris
  228. Iris says:
    @Parfois1

    I hope the Iranians repeat that salute at least once weekly in remembrance of gen. Soleimani

    Iranian Defense Minister has specifically stated that any response to their strikes by the US will be matched by other reprisals from the Iran side which will this time hit Israel.

    Arab analysts have highlighted the precision of the Iranian missiles: the Ain Al Asad military base is made of Iraqi as well as Western quarters, of which only the latter were hit.

    They also highlighted that Harir airbase (Kurdistan) was fully equipped with US air defence systems that were unable to counter Iranian missile attack.

    Finally, the military bases were selected and hit on purpose, as they were known to be heavily used by the US to train, shelter and rescue Islamic State jihadis, including those fleeing Syria.

    The political alignment between Iran and Iraq, whose authorities were informed prior to the strikes, is remarkable too.

    Finally, while no such information is available on Western outlets, an Iranian agency news reports (from IRGC sources) an early estimate of very heavy Western casualties:

    https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981018000275

    In light of the reprisal strike in Iraq, the US is now vacating Khrab El Jir occupied base in Syria.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Curmudgeon
  229. utu says:
    @Iris

    Whatever the precision of their missiles is it seems that Iran’s intention was not to kill anybody. It was the theater for the masses. Now Trump will be able to deescalate and Iran will save its face by claiming 80 or so American soldiers dead. And it’s possible that a real revenge will be exacted in the future like a quiet killing/suiciding of few high ranking DOD/CIA personnel to send a confidential message to Trump, DOD and CIA. Iran will hire any hit team even Mossad based who will do it for money as well as Israel safety.

    • Replies: @Iris
  230. Robjil says:
    @TKK

    The West has been living under an iron boot of a theocracy since 12.23. 1913.

    The west’s Judea 500 BC Theocracy has been horrific beyond words for people of this planet. We in the west are tired of of this nonsense. Why can’t we live in the 21st century?

    We began the second century of our Judea 500 BC Theocracy on 12.23.5761 ( 9.11.2001). Deception is how we wage war, so this second century of Judea 500 BC began on the same number as the last but on the Judean 500 BC Calendar.

  231. @Hail

    Tucker Carlson said on 9-20-17 that 911 truthers were nuts, that says it all about Carlson, if he wasn’t a zionist supporter he would not be on Fox.

    • Replies: @Momus
  232. Iris says:
    @utu

    Now Trump will be able to deescalate and Iran will save its face by claiming 80 or so American soldiers dead

    It is good to gather facts, information and try to cross-check it before making educated assumptions on subjects ordinary citizens are not privy to.

    Countless insightful American commenters propose very well-supported cases, but come to opposite conclusions with regard to President Trump’s real intentions. How could we then know Iran’s strategic roadmap?

    The Iranian reaction was long coming. The writing was on the wall when Hassan Nasrallah, following one too many Israeli strike on Syria, detailed in his Sept 2019 address that the “Resistance Axis” had the capability to hit strategic Israeli targets that he named.

    It is not normal that US sources have not communicated any detail of the consequences of the strikes, so many hours after they took place. The Danes have stated there were “no casualties amongst them”, which hints there were casualties amongst other Western nationalities.

    Your cynicism is justified by how real-politik is actually conducted. However, it is also very possible that we are living a cornerstone moment in ME’s History, a reverse moment of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

  233. anon[178] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Nailed it.

    “it was arranged so that Iran could save face, defuse white-hot anger; keep Americans from ruining their nail polish; keep Jews from, well from doing what Jews always do; and allow Trump to thump his chest: “No Americans were killed; I keep American’s safe.”

  234. Hail says: • Website
    @Minnesota Mary

    Thanks, that is definitely worth noting. How often does it otherwise happen? I don’t think that span of three hours gave any new breaking news, so it couldn’t really be justified on those grounds.

    I believe the missile attack was first reported widely during the 6pm or 7pm hour; in which case it is clear Tucker’s team went to code-red and re-booked most of the show on the fly for his anti-war 8pm broadcast.

    Meanwhile, here is a list of the videos Fox News has uploaded to Youtube between the 2pm hour of Jan. 7 and the 8am hour Jan. 8 (EST) [this writing]; most recently posted at the top (posting time and broadcast time may differ):

    [MORE]

    Mike Huckabee: ‘Little dog’ Iran not worth war

    Ted Cruz: Taking Soleimani out has made US safer

    Graham: Iran’s missile strike is ‘an act of war’
    929K views

    Baier on Iran missile attack: This is Trump’s biggest test
    276K views

    The above was the only Tucker segment they posted for the day. Tucker Carlson Tonight segments normally get the most views but this one seems deliberately anodyne; there was a lot of excellent material they could have used.

    Iran sends warning to US amid attack on US base in Iraq
    435K views

    Media attacks Gervais over anti-Hollywood jokes
    365K views

    Iran launches missiles into US military base in Iraq
    2.4M views

    Gutfeld on the Iranian threat and the media
    93K views

    [Missile launches first widely reported about here]

    Trump: Soleimani was a monster
    1.2M views

    Senate leaders speak following policy lunches
    136K views

    Rep. Van Drew feels ‘liberated’ after leaving Democratic Party
    136K views

    Esper: US not seeking war with Iran, but we are looking to finish one
    501K views

  235. @EliteCommInc.

    Hey EliteComminc!

    Enjoy your infrequent exchanges with U.R. commenters who consider doing such as a worthwhile “case.”

    I won’t.

  236. Momus says:
    @Desert Fox

    The Iranian reply to Trumps simple but devastatingly effective, tactically, and strategically brilliant elimination of their number one operative is in.

    They have fired a few ballistic missiles at 2 bases in Iraq which may not have even been warheaded and also appear to have taken out an airliner with 176 people on board that has just left Teheran airport.

    Way to go Ayatollah; you have no answer to the US and Trumps resolve.

  237. I’m puzzled by the explosion of that Ukrainian airliner; apparently it just blew up as it was climbing through eight thousand feet.

    1. A hell of a coincidence?

    2. We’re even more evil than I thought?

    3. The Iranians themselves conducted some sort of black flag operation?

    4. The Israelis are trying to exacerbate the situation?

    5. It was the Russians and they’re trying to exacerbate the situation?

    I’ll go with (4) myself; but I genuinely have no real idea.

    • Replies: @Herald
    , @Robjil
  238. @Iris

    “it is also very possible that we are living a cornerstone moment in ME’s History, a reverse moment of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.”

    Deo volente

    • Agree: Iris
  239. I am curious to see if the red flag in Iran has been lowered. If not, this is the beginning of death by a thousand cuts to the zios – and not the end as many are proposing. Meanwhile, expect retaliations by the Iraqis and Hezbollah in the days ahead, as well as the Yemenis, and probably a number of other groups that you probably have never even heard of before.

    Kissinger’s prediction about the end of Israel by 2022 is starting to feel like a real possibility.

    This genie is not going back into the bottle. Pandoras Box has been flung wide open. Tighten your belts citizens. It is going to be a long bumpy ride.

  240. @Momus

    You are a fool and if anyone took out the airliner it was the ZUS and Israel.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  241. @Desert Fox

    Hey Desert Fox!

    You put Momus in his Zion place. 👍!

    Fyi, am reconsidering Phil Giraldi’s article title.

    Subsequently, I conclude that Supremacist Jews, unsurprisingly Dual Citizens, 001 mg/L 🇺🇸, along with (s)elected US Shabbos goy Enforcers 🇮🇱 have a free-hand to punish restless and aware Americans.

    Thanks and one question. Are you the same (screen name) DESERT FOX but are now Desert Fox? At any rate, thanks and my dried-up oasis, Scranton respect.😊

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  242. utu says:
    @Iris

    Just as I said:

    Iran DELIBERATELY failed to hit US military targets in Iraq missile attack for fear of escalating conflict with Donald Trump, intelligence sources reveal

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7865559/Iran-DELIBERATELY-failed-hit-military-targets-fear-escalating-conflict.html

    • LOL: L.K
  243. Herald says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    I truly believe they were defending an innocent man.

    Follow your heart and believe what you want, but I would suggest past form would be a much more reliable guide.

  244. @ChuckOrloski

    Yes I am the same Desert Fox, this site changed my DESERT FOX to Desert Fox, I have my thoughts on why they did this, but it is his site.

    It is good to hear from you, thanks.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  245. Hail says: • Website

    Philip Giraldi wrote:

    it appears the Soleimani might have been in Baghdad to discuss a Saudi proposal to lessen tensions in the region. Ironically, Donald Trump knew about the proposal and had reportedly encouraged the possibility of some form of detente. Israel, however, is not interested

    It’s worth a word here these are not Dr. Giraldi’s speculations but the words of the Iraqi Prime Minister, reported as follows:

    Iraqi PM reveals Soleimani was on peace mission when assassinated
    Jan. 6, 2020

    According to Abdul-Mahdi, he had planned to meet Soleimani on the morning the general was killed to discuss a diplomatic rapproachment that Iraq was brokering between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

    Abdul-Mahdi said that Trump personally thanked him for the efforts, even as he was planning the hit on Soleimani – thus creating the impression that the Iranian general was safe to travel to Baghdad.

    Soleimani had arrived in Baghdad not to plan attacks on American targets, but to coordinate de-escalation with Saudi Arabia.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/01/06/soleimani-peace-mission-assassinated-trump-lie-imminent-attacks/amp/

    So we, the US, Trump, do look rather like a gang of mafia types; making war by deception, promising peace and setting up traps in which we massacre the sucker when he shows up, arranging extra-judicial killings, general thuggery.

    And for what?

    I see no one even trying to justify being in the Middle East Forever War anymore (except the vague accusation of “killing Americans,” who have no reason to be there in the first place [Just ask Candidate Trump]; Worse, they couldn’t even find anyone with more than two years of US citizenship to his name, a ‘contractor’ called Nawres Hamid, an Iraqi, over whom to wave the bloody shirt). We don’t need the oil.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Onebornfree
  246. Herald says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s a strange one, but (4) does seem a fairly safe bet.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  247. Agent76 says:

    Get it straight from the Bankster’s puppet!

    Aug 8, 2016 “I want to scare Assad” Mike Morell on Charlie Rose

    Mike Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, discusses the need to put pressure on Syria and Russia. The full conversation airs on PBS on August 8th, 2016.

  248. Sparkon says:
    @Desert Fox

    At least UR had the common courtesy to capitalize your handle after changing it from all caps. Meanwhile, if you click on my handle Sparkon for my comment history, the page heading for my handle is presented all in lower case as “sparkon” but “Comments” is capitalized.

    “sparkon” Comments

    I wish Ron Unz would fix that. I have never used “sparkon” as my handle. It’s always been capitalized.

  249. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    If Americans have a target painted on our back, then I guess we’ll be justified in wiping every stinking muslim off the face of the planet. In fact, come to think of it, based on muslim behavior for the last 1400 years, we should’ve done that a long time ago.

  250. @JUSA

    “The way we won in viet Nam”

    You deceptive leftists tally things differently than us non-leftists, however the VC/NV losses of 2.5 million compared to American losses of 55 thousand, and McDonalds, Burger King and Dunkin Donats all over the place really leads one to the conclusion that the USA was the winner.
    Of course the lying leftist America haters have been pushing the BS line of the US having lost for the last forty plus years, which does however not alter the facts.

    AJM

    • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
  251. @Mitch Bennington

    ” When did the US military last win a war?”

    Well I consider a situation in which one opponent suffers far greater losses than the other, such as in VN: US casualties 55 thousand, VN/VC losses : 2.5 million, and VN covered with US capitalistic ventures such as McDonalds, than one could safely say that the US did in fact win the conflict.

    Of course you dishonest leftist propagandists have been pushing the lie that the US lost for decades, which however does not alter the actual facts of the issue.

    AJM

    PS as far as myself being : Gay, nope, but if I were to be homosexual so what, as I was under the impression that you “progressives” hypocrites view yourselves to be the champions of the gay population

    AJM

  252. Robjil says:
    @Colin Wright

    No Americans or Israelis were on the plane. Hmm?

    https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/names-of-passengers-crew-on-board-ukrainian-plane-that-crashed-in-iran-developing.html

    Ukrainian Foreign Minister Vadym Prystaiko published a list of the citizenships of the passengers on the flight: Iran – 82, Canada – 63, Ukraine – 11, Sweden – 10, Afghanistan – 4, Germany – 3, United Kingdom – 3. Of the Ukrainian victims, two were passengers, while the other nine were crew members.

    It looks like ZUS Ukraine is a gift that keeps giving to the ZUS empire. Wasn’t that plane crash in Ukraine in 2014 used to demonize Russia endlessly? Will this Ukraine crash do the same to Iran? ZUS Ukraine even gave the greatest gift of all and that was a ZUS impeachment charade. V. Nuland must be smiling from ear to ear with our success with her coup in Ukraine. It is a gift that keep giving to the ZUS empire

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/ukraine-deletes-statement-blaming-iran-plane-crash-on-engine-failure

    Ukraine’s embassy in Iran has deleted a statement posted on its website that blamed the deadly plane crash near Tehran on engine failure, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has vowed to open up criminal proceedings into the disaster that left 176 people dead. Ukraine’s embassy initially agreed with Iranian statements that the Wednesday morning crash was due to a mechanical failure—but the embassy later issued a new statement omitting the mention of engine failure as the cause. It also said any previous comments about the cause of the crash weren’t official and should be discounted. Zelensky said Ukraine’s entire civil aviation fleet will be checked for airworthiness and criminal proceedings will be opened. Ukraine International Airlines said the plane in question had its last scheduled maintenance on Monday, and showed no sign of any problems prior to takeoff. The Boeing 737 went down after taking off from Imam Khomeini airport in Tehran, killing all 176 people on board.

  253. @Authenticjazzman

    Your handle really should be AuthenticShitForBrains.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  254. Eh hem, on today’s TalmudVision, Americans were treated to “The Passion of The Mahdi.” 😲

    Exactly similar to the Globalist/Zionist trash- treatment of throwaway industrialized working class Americans, Sanctionista Trumpstein &
    F-16 honeymoonin’ Mnuchin, 👹decided to worsen the disdained (Amalek) Iranians’capability to freely “buy & sell,” survive.

    Reckon the completely zionized Bible Thumper, Mike Pence, remembers John of Patmos’s warning about the inevitable coming of a Prime Minister Beast who will determine who are allowed participation in everday planetwide economy.😳

    Haha, (Zigh), Pence might get Trumpstein’s job if a few ZUS impeachy Senators become dissatisfied with his hesitation to do “Big Time” regime change in Iran. Meanwhile, The Synagogue of Satan is prepared to intervene, and cry, “Impeach the waffling Chosen One!” 😲
    .

  255. @Authenticjazzman

    The US could afford lots of things if we cut the military budget by 99%, as we should have done after WWII.
    The military works for the plutocrats, stealing money from the taxpayers. The ruling class turned Vietnam from an agricultural nation into a low paid factory nation which took thousands of textile jobs from Americans – i.e winning the Vietnam war. The problem lies in the taxpayers not understanding what winning means. Manufacturing havens with super low wages and homeless veterans begging at every intersection. West Point teaches people they have the right to drop bombs on civilians and torture them in Guantanamo. Of course these folks think of themselves as the smartest people who ever lived.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  256. @Monotonous Languor

    Aren’t the methods you attribute to Iran, just a different kind of “color revolution” with testosterone?

  257. @Steve Gilbert

    Hey Steve Gilbert!

    Am proud how you freely educated the blowhard Mensa-Man.

    Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran’s future, I reckon the leaders would do well to make application to Putin and ask to become a Russian Islamic Republic. As were the Soviet Central Asia States, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, and the one’s that I forget.

    Thanks for making such a meaningful & non-oily comment, S.G. Please stay here at U.R. comments? Fyi, commenters who think they are “smartest” routinely get taken down.🤗

  258. @Hail

    We don’t need the oil.

    I don’t think you understand the “oil” thing.
    Iraq was invaded in 2003, because: 1) it was pumping too much oil causing a price drop; and 2) it began accepting Euros as well as USD for oil. Both of these affect the value of the petrodollar.
    Similarly, shutting down Iran’s oil export was necessary because 1) there is actually an oil glut; and 2) it was accepting any currency for oil, including gold. Again, both affect the USD.
    Until about 2011, the price of a barrel of oil was driven 80% by demand and 20% by other factors, but mainly speculation (futures). Today, the price a barrel of oil is between 70-80% futures and 20-30% demand. Sure the US is self sufficient through fracking, but only if the price of oil is about what it is today, or higher. That is why the oil in other places like Syria, Iran, and Venezuela has to stay in the ground. It’s not about “needing” it, it’s about keeping oil prices artificially high, while crippling competitors’ less diversified economies.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @utu
    , @geokat62
  259. Antares says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    Again an incoherent reply by Antres.
    The President (Trump) is a puppet. He might tweet like a birdy, but basically hes a caged bird. If all the information he’s getting is false, there’s no way he knows the way forward.

    It only looks incoherent to you because we disagree about the role of Trump. You think that he is controlled, I came to a different conclusion. This is him.

    But that’s a minor point, I agree with your other observations.

  260. @Curmudgeon

    Respectfully, it never was the oil, it was for Israels greater Israel agenda and they will fight to the last American to get control of the mideast.

    • Replies: @Anon
  261. @Iris

    The political alignment between Iran and Iraq, whose authorities were informed prior to the strikes, is remarkable too.

    Yes and no. While much is made of the Shi’a – Sunni division in Iraq, Saddam had actually exchanged war dead, prisoners and had restored relations with Iran prior to the 2003 invasion. There were reports that the few undamaged F-35s remaining in the Iraqi Air Force were sent to Iran. Saddam understood he was set up on Kuwait, and was being set up again on WMD. Iran understood it was never going to be safe until a new Shah, or other pliable cutout was back in charge. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that prior to the 2003 invasion that Saddam saw Iran, not as a friendly ally, but a neutral ally, given they were also on the Zionist hit list. My guess/speculation is that there was already co-operation between the two when the invasion started.

  262. @Momus

    I rarely speak like this, but I must say, you sir(or madam)are an IDIOT.

  263. utu says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Don’t be a fool. In 2003 Iraq was attacked because it was decided it had to be destroyed before Syria and Iran could be destroyed. The decision was made long before 9/11 (Yinon Plan and PNAC) and was made possible by 9/11. Oil, gold and Euros have nothing to do with it. The fairy tales you are repeating are for people who do not believe in the fairy tales of WMD and bring the democracy to the ME but they are still fairy tales. The truth is much uglier and more evil.

    See the three tiers of explanations.

    https://www.unz.com/mhudson/america-escalates-its-democratic-oil-war-in-the-near-east/#comment-3647799

  264. It’s all in the movies folks. It’s one big drama designed to keep your tension level through the roof. Take the day off from this shit and enjoy the day you have been blessed with..
    RIP Merle

    • Thanks: SeekerofthePresence
  265. Onebornfree says: • Website
    @Hail

    Hail says: “So we, the US, Trump, do look rather like a gang of mafia types; making war by deception, promising peace and setting up traps in which we massacre the sucker when he shows up, arranging extra-judicial killings, general thuggery.”

    And such behavior was for some reason not expected?

    If I’m not somehow misinterpreting you, you [like most here] appear to not understand the true, core nature of exactly what/who you/we are all dealing with here.

    A quick reminder [ and this applies to all governments,past, present, or future, including the Iranian and Iraqi governments]:

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt  criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.”   onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.”      Albert J. Nock

    So you see, the US governments actions to date in this affair are[and should therefor be regarded as ] completely “par for the course” . 😒

    Regards,onebornfree

  266. ‘Murk, once you were great.
    Loved you like a child playing.
    You sold us like freight.

    “Wish you were here,” America, before you sold your soul…

  267. geokat62 says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I don’t think you understand the “oil” thing. Iraq was invaded in 2003, because…blah, blah, blah…

    I don’t think you understand the “we’re Israel’s bitch” thing. Iraq was invaded in 2003, because it was on Israel’s hit list… plain and simple!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  268. Anon[353] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr Rouhani seems to pretend that Iran was responsible for the Pan AM 103 tragedy.

    So WHY did Mr Schumer, Mr Menendez, and Mr Kissinger accused Megrahi and Gaddafi, what did the SAS do in Libya just before US-NATO started to BOMB and destroy Libya?

    THEY ACCUSED LIBYA for Pan Am 103. Mr Trump, when in Scotland, said the US was in Libya for the oil only.

    • Replies: @barr
  269. @Iris

    It is not normal that US sources have not communicated any detail of the consequences of the strikes, so many hours after they took place.

    Unless of course they are reporting the “facts” involving a false-flag attack in which case full names, pictures, DOBs, pictures of mourning relatives, interview clips with neighbours offering statements of “how wonderful they were” along with copies of Qurans and pristine passports are readily on display within hours, if not minutes.

    • LOL: Iris
  270. No Wall has been built in America BUT the U.S. Embassy is in Jerusalem.
    No Immigration Solution. Record numbers of f-1’s and b1’s.
    National Debt Level WORSE than in summer 2008 Right Before Financial Meltdown.
    No End to the ‘Endless’ Wars (Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq)
    Israel got the Golan Heights. Jews have gotten an E.O. recognizing them as a Nation. All the big Jew Wall St. Firms have had easy money and tax credits from Trump.

    What did America get? How can anyone believe anything other than: ‘Israel first, last and always’ from Donald J. Trump? He endlessly blathers about the evils of antisemitism while 80% of Jews continue to vote Democrat.
    I can do nothing except conclude the man’s soul has been completely and utterly drained from him through his never ending fellating of Israel and the incessant pounding BoBo Satanyahoo gives him.
    At this point, it is just an embarrassment to watch Trump. I saw his press conference this afternoon and I couldn’t believe the difference between that monotone, babbling idiot I saw today and the guy who used to fill Stadiums.
    The America government has become the Great Satan.
    Israel is it’s helper.
    Trump is the Great Betrayer.

  271. @Hong Kong Hibernian

    I don’t believe that you have anything to worry about.
    The problem, however, is that when you shred international norms you intitiate a race to the bottom.
    Gaddafi was murdered by a crowd. He was settting up a currency union, backed by 40-80 billion in gold, to sell Black Africa Libyan oil. This would have competed with the French Colonial Franc AND it defied the U.S. petrodollar monopoly (all oil is paid in us funds). Suddenly, Gaddafi was ‘murdering his own people’. HRC, Secretary of State and Moloch worshipper, claimed: ‘we came, we saw, he died’ cackling laughter ensued on her part.

    Sadaam Hussein, fought a war against Iran in the 80’s and found Bush Sr. very stingy. He tried to sell oil to Europe in Euros. He was invaded, imprisoned, tried and executed by a kangaroo court.

    Is the pattern getting clear?
    Acting with impunity, with NO regard for any rules leads to chaos.
    I remember the U.S.-Iran hostage crisis in 1979 and I know the back story and Persian culture. Very sophisticated thinkers from a very old and complex civilization. They get it. Many americans don’t seem to understand how dishonorable this was.A hired Israeli assassin. Imagine that, the President of the United States is now viewed as no better than a backstabbing POS by the whole Muslim world, all the way from Morocco to Indonesia.
    This is called the destruction of legitimacy. The U.S. has now lost any and all legitimacy they had left. They are now going to be viewed as, in essence, a rogue nation, like Israel, incapable of not just honoring an agreement but of having any trace of honor left in their diplomacy or culture.
    No American servicemen are safe anymore. U.S. citizens are going to leave certain countries. The knock on effects of this: historically, it will be viewed as a significant precipitant in the U.S. being forced out of the Middle East. The guy was a hero and held in very high regard. American culture has no equivalent. Neither does Europe, Australia, Canada, Mexico and many others. That speaks volumes. This is the type of analysis you will not get out of a ‘court historian’ in the West but it is a fairly objective analysis if you step out of the msm/beltway echo chamber in the U.S.
    This act paved the way for Russia and China to move into the Middle East as peaceful actors. The U.S. may still have some ability to project force, despite the massive debtload, but it has lost any moral claim to have the right to use force for the greater good. This is now abundantly clear to even the blind and deaf.
    Not singly you out dude, just got inspired to write.
    I wish the best for you and your family. I don’t envy your situation. People are actually really good at separating the actions of people from their governments. E. Michael Jones was in Tehran surrounded by 1 Million Iranians a few years ago. No one bothered him. I hope that something good can come from this: a multi-polar world with much less conflict would be nice; monopolies of power do not produce the greater good.

  272. Herald says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    It will then be there with the rest of the vultures to pick her carcass clean.

    I would suggest that the now well muscled Russia ought to be a lot more up front in its dealings with the US, but if it prefers a more softly softly approach, well so be it.

    At some point fairly soon though, the US will inevitably succumb to the immense stupidity of its own leadership. If Russia is one of the vultures at the celebratory feast, then OK, as long as there are some well deserved pickings for Iran.

  273. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Thanks for offering such an articulate education, steinbergfeld…etcetera. An unnamed🌟 hovering above Scranton for you! Uh, and @ no zionized astrologer fee.

  274. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Truly great comment, steinbergfeld etcetera, and thank you. Fyi, commenter (No Wall) Wally ain’t going to like your exposure of Trumpstein’s “many accomplishments.” And I trust you shall not get a “Gong” as did former-U.R. commenter, Jacques Sheete.👍!!!

    • Troll: Wally
  275. Adûnâi says:

    The JCPOA was good for the United States, supportive of non-proliferation efforts, but Trump, guided by neoconservative advisers, most of whom were Jewish and having close ties to Israel, chose to ignore actual American interests.

    And why is peace in West Asia an American interest? Peace is needed for the Christian Empire. The more war, the better! The only difference I would make is to start with cleansing Hawaii and Mexico from the Mongolians. But ravaging Iran, Arabia and Aryavarta would not be put off indefinitely into the future. Only through destruction can the destiny of Europe be realized.

    • Replies: @anon
  276. Wally says:
    @c matt

    LOL
    Not according to Obama.

    Barack Obama defends ‘just war’ using drones: : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-22638533

    Obama’s drone attacks 10 times more than Bush’s:
    https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush
    exc.:
    “The Obama administration has insisted that drone strikes are so “exceptionally surgical and precise” that they pluck off terror suspects while not putting “innocent men, women and children in danger”. This claim has been contested by numerous human rights groups, however, and the Bureau’s figures on civilian casualties also demonstrate that this is often not the case.”

  277. ‘Trump-Pompeo foreign policy is not only incoherent, it is insane’

    It’s neither incoherent nor insane.

    It’s attempting to appease the Israel lobby whilst avoiding actually fighting a war with Iraq until after the second Tuesday in November.

    It’s perfectly coherent and eminently sane. A tad craven, but…

  278. @Herald

    ‘It’s a strange one, but (4) does seem a fairly safe bet.’

    I’m afraid someone offered a better explanation. I don’t like it — but I suspect it’s the truth.

    Being jumpy and marginally competent, Iranian air defense shot the airliner down themselves.

    I’ll be happy to hear that debunked, but it’s plausible.

    • Replies: @Herald
  279. Anon[244] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    {The countries targeted by PNAC are Iraq, Syria, Iran and Libya, in addition to Lebanon, Somalia and Sudan.}

    For Libya: ”great news” today for the 3% of what’s left of Libya after the NATO-Clinton bombs: “Sirte is Liberated, and Turkey and its Mercenaries will be Defeated by the Libyan Army”, according to Dr Aref Ali Nayed, Chairman of the Libya Institute for Advanced Studies (LIAS).

    “Regarding the possibility of Turkey sending its forces to Libya, he commented: “Turkish army forces aren’t waiting to come to Libya. They have been coming to Libya for the last six months. They have been mainly and still are mainly special forces specialized in special ops, snipers, sabotage and various other specialized operations plus trainers for special ops, communications and jamming experts, electronic warfare experts, operators of their drones or unmanned aerial vehicles.”

    From: http://www.libyanwarthetruth.com/nayed-sirte-liberated-turkey-and-its-mercenaries-will-be-defeated-libyan-army

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  280. I saw Joe Lieberman on TV last night. Not a pleasant experience.
    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/iraq-war-hawks-sell-iran-war_n_5e165473c5b61f701948c11c
    I don’t think Trump is in with them yet. But I have no doubts about Kushner and Rudy.

  281. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Some of what’s come out suggests the US has gone full Mafia in response to the last few years’ developments in the M.E. There’s no geo-political strategy. There’s only (bad) gangsterism.

    Countless insightful American commenters propose very well-supported cases, but come to opposite conclusions with regard to President Trump’s real intentions.

    Russia’s textbook demonstration of how to combine diplomatic acumen and military efficiency in sorting problems has given impetus to a Russian authored, Chinese backed regional security and development proposal that’s been making the rounds through the region’s capitals since late summer (at least). Promoted by Iran (mostly via Oman) as a new paradigm in M.E. affairs, it’s been well received everywhere except Saudi Arabia who’ve apparently cited their inability to throw off the American yoke as the primary impediment to their overt support. Notwithstanding, the Saudis have been talking quietly with all parties and have reportedly even sent emissaries to Tehran for “informal” talks on the hush-hush. Soleimani was a significant player in these talks, which were being mediated by Iraq.

    In his speech to the Iraqi parliament subsequent to Soleimani’s murder, Iraqi Prime Minister Adil Abdul-Mahdi revealed an astonishing tale of the sort of strongarming tactics America has employed in response. His speech was to be carried live on Iraqi TV, but the feed was cut immediately after he started by the Speaker.

    Nevertheless, his words have leaked to the public. In it he told that Trump had demanded 50% of Iraq’s oil revenues, or the US wouldn’t go ahead with promised infrastructure rebuilding of the country they destroyed. Mahdi refused that proposal and headed to China where he promptly made a deal to rebuild the country. When the US learned of it, Trump called him to demand that the deal be rescinded and when Mahdi refused Trump threatened to unleash violent protests against Mahdi’s rule.

    Sure enough, violent protests began shortly thereafter. Again Trump called and when Mahdi again refused to rescind the China deal, Trump threatened him with Maidan-style snipers. Again Mahdi refused, and Iraq’s Minister of Defence spoke publicly of “third party” provocateurs killing both protestors and police, threatening to drive the country back into civil war.

    Again Trump called, and Mahdi reports that this time he threatened Mahdi and the Defence Minister with assassination if they didn’t shut up about “third party” provocateurs. Meanwhile, Mahdi continued to mediate Iranian-Saudi talks and Soleimani was carrying Iran’s response to the latest Saudi message. He was to meet Mahdi later the morning of his assassination.

    The upshot of all that is that the intent behind Soleimani’s gangland slaying was to send the US’ message to Mahdi specifically, but also to Iran, the Saudis, and anyone else contemplating M.E. rapprochement that murder awaited them if they continued to work towards peace in the region.

    It is not normal that US sources have not communicated any detail of the consequences of the strikes, so many hours after they took place.

    Details are emerging re the Al Assad Air Base attack, and if you’re an American strategist they ain’t pretty. The lack of casualties notwithstanding, satellite photos show that the Iranian salvo hit targets with a very high level of combat efficiency. Any damage assessment will reveal that technically, Iran can hit whatever it wants to hit.

    Qiam missiles were used. They’re a cheap ‘n cheerful derivative of the Soviet SCUD, and Iran has 1,000s of them. Hezbollah likely has 1,000s as well, so the picture is even less pretty if you’re an Israeli strategist. Furthermore…

    Iran informed the Swiss Embassy in Tehran (who represent American interests in Iran) an hour or more before the attack. More than enough time to get personnel out of harm’s way. FARS’ reports of 80 killed and ~200 injured, frankly look to be a narrative for domestic consumption. It’s hard to believe that with the hour+ warning that that many people were hanging around in the line of fire.

    My guess about the delay is that the US is simply stunned.

    However, it is also very possible that we are living a cornerstone moment in ME’s History, a reverse moment of the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

    I believe that’s true regardless of what got hit and the number of casualties. This was a message sending exercise. As unimaginative as it may appear, the salvo sent an unmistakeable signal that went through the region’s capitals and beyond. Here’s why they’re all paying attention…

    1. Iran struck American assets directly, in a brazenly overt manner. No plausible deniability, proxies or non-state actors involved. It was a State attack on another State’s assets. If there is any doubt that the hit on Suleimani was an act of war, there can be no doubt about Iran’s response. The bully got punched in the nose in front of his entourage and they’re now waiting to see what he’ll do. However…

    2. The IRGC’s very high level of confidence in its missiles & missile corps is obviously warranted. If the US and its satraps expected amateur hour, they got the diametric opposite – the equivalent of getting your knife shot out of your hand – and that puts the US in a bad spot.

    3. The Qiam salvo was no Kalibrs-from-the-Caspian demonstration of technical prowess, but so far as I can currently tell, more than half of the missiles targetting Al Assad hit bull’s eyes and American AD failed to intercept any of them. This stands in stark contrast to Syria’s success at knocking down Tomahawks. The Americans claim that the Al Assad airbase had no missile defence systems installed, which seems incredible, but with the silence of the Patriot batteries of Abqaiq looming in the background, all of the USM’s regional assets have been exposed as ducks in a barrel. The US simply can’t defend them.

    It is clear that with its S300 systems and indigenous air defence in place, Iran can destroy American assets while minimizing its own losses. What’s more, Iran’s S300s have reportedly been networked into Russia’s regional air defence systems, and that installing S400s is being actively considered. With either development, Iran’s air space is effectively closed. Iran’s status as the pre-eminent regional power has been cemented into place, and with the Kremlin’s backing there is no way to dislodge it. Every capital must now run its calculus and begin re-thinking its role in the region, or its relationship with it.

    Without high efficiency air defence, CENTCOM can’t defend even itself, never mind the region’s oil infrastructure and perverse allied monarchies. That is now plain as day. Remaining perceptions of its ability to provide security guarantees to its satraps are now gone, and so the US’ options have been reduced to a choice between escalation, or going home. There’s no there there, and everybody now knows it. The message couldn’t be clearer.

    Iran has opened the exit door and we’re all waiting to see what heads prevail in Washington as the facts settle into them. To keep the Americans focussed, one can expect to see the Iraqi militias begin ratcheting up attacks on American assets in Iraq, and in collaboration with domestic militia’s in Syria as well.

    The question now revolves around whether the US needs a thousand cuts to absorb the message that its dominance of the M.E. is over.

  282. Biff says:
    @BendGuyhere

    Iran can overthrow its regime, it desperately wants to.

    America can overthrow it’s regime, it desperately wants to.

  283. Robjil says:

    Trump talked of 52 ways of getting Iran.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-threatens-52-iranian-sites-targeted-if-iran-retaliates-2020-1

    Trump tweeted that the US has pinpointed 52 Iranian sites “representing the 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago.” Iran seized 66 Americans during the hostage crisis in 1979, ultimately holding 52 of them for more than a year.

    Trump warned that the targets were “at a very high level & important to Iran & the Iranian culture.”

    He continued: “Those targets, and Iran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD. The USA wants no more threats!”

    Here are some 52 number tie-ins already in place for Iran from Trump’s ZUS empire.

    Six B- 52 strategic bombers set to Indian Ocean. Why the number six?

    https://www.rt.com/usa/477614-b52-bomber-diego-garcia-iran/

    US deploys 6 B-52 strategic bombers to Indian Ocean base amid drastic spike in tensions with Iran – report

    The six bombers will follow nearly 4,000 US troops deployed to the region since last week, sent as hostilities with Iran reached new heights. Following a heated demonstration at the American Embassy in Baghdad which Washington portrayed as an “Iranian attack,” the US launched a kill strike on the commander of Iran’s elite Quds Force, Qassem Soleimani, as he arrived to Baghdad for a meeting, also taking out several allied Iraqi militia leaders along with him

    .

    Iran refuses to sent the black boxes from the 752 plane crash to Ukraine. This crash is so similar to the one over Ukraine in 2014. It looks like ZUS Ukraine is playing the same game again with Iran this time, instead of Russia. Iran should not hand over the black boxes to any ZUS controlled land. Notice the number 752 of the plane. Iran is the 7th nation on the list to be destroyed for the nine eleven false flag. 52 is after that number. Is this one of the 52 ways to get at Iran from the ZUS empire? That is demonize Iran on bogus charges for the plane crash like the one in Ukraine in 2014 for Russia. Iran is not falling for the bait.

    https://112.international/society/ps-752-plane-crash-iran-refuses-to-hand-over-black-boxes-to-ukraine-47294.html

    Iran, where the Boeing-737 crash took place, refuses to provide black boxes to Ukraine. This was stated by the head of the civil aviation organization Ali Abedzadeh, Mehr reports.

    It has not yet been decided where Iran would send the box to analyze the data.

    https://112.international/society/ps-752-plane-crash-iran-refuses-to-hand-over-black-boxes-to-ukraine-47294.html

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  284. @Erebus

    Hey Erebus!

    Evidently, zionized NATO is going “full mafia” lies and announced its participation in war against international terrorism 😒which facilitates attacks upon & occupation of Middle East nations.

    Please refet to The Hill, linked below. And, thank you for your U.R. service.

    https://thehill.com/policy/defense/477399-nato-agrees-to-up-contribution-in-fight-against-international-terrorism-after

    • Replies: @Erebus
  285. @Anon

    Understood, there will be no peace in the middle east as long as the Zionists remain in control of their enforcer of terrorism for Israels greater Israel project, the ZUS.

  286. @Robjil

    Agree, I believe a bomb was placed on the plane, as the pilots had no time to issue an emergency call and the plane blew up in the air as was shown on a video released and Iran did NOT do it, so who benefits, the usual suspects and agent provocateurs.

    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Daniel Rich
    , @Milton
  287. McChuck says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Iran declared war on the USA in 1979.
    History is real. It began more than a week ago.

    • Replies: @Milton
  288. @Erebus

    Yes, damage was clearly greater than reported by the US. Possible reasons Patriot Missles were not used.

    Observers are asking about where was the Patriot defense missile? The problem is economic. The cost of each missile is $2.75 million. A Rand study estimated that a Patriot will need three rounds to take down basic short-range ballistic missiles like the Fateh-110. That’s thirty times more than the cost of Fateh. Iran would hope the Patriot is wasted on Fatehs and Quims, and would gladly run that kind of cost benefit math all over the region.

    https://www.winterwatch.net/2020/01/missiles-attack-on-al-assad-shows-iran-is-no-paper-tiger/

    • Replies: @Erebus
  289. Erebus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    … NATO is going “full mafia” lies and announced its participation in war against international terrorism…

    I can just hear Erdogan now… “The Caliphate is back on the menu boys!”

  290. Erebus says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    The cost of each missile is $2.75 million.

    In the 1st place, the cost of defence is tallied against the value of what it’s defending, not the cost of the attacking ordinance. If it takes 3 Patriots to save an F-22 or F-35, it’s cheap.

    More to the point, from what we know from real life, Rand is hopelessly optimistic. The Patriot can, maybe, defend itself but it can’t defend anything else. Two Patriot batteries in the vicinity didn’t even raise an alarm when Abqaiq was attacked. At that success rate, they could be $2.75 each and still be a bad deal.

  291. @Erebus

    Hi Erebus!

    Respectfully, I have a problem with your following words: “My guess about the delay is that the US is simply stunned.”

    No, no, The ZUS (Likud Party wing) was disappointingly stunned by the Iranian revenge only because it was Bush League, and it failed to deliver the drama that the Trumpstein administration needed to go nuclear apeshit upon Iran.

    Now, scab & zionized Democrats are pretending to desire limitations on the Executive Branch’s passion for war, minus the Knesset Congress permission. 🙃

    Extremely dangerous times upon the planet now. The Adelson/Kushner/Netanyahu tribe trio does not cotton to allow nobodies an opportunity to occupy the war power throne that Jews have invested in D.C.’s Blue & White House.

    So as Purim approaches, I am for one anticipating a scary & persuasive strike, compliments of our best ally 🇮🇱/👹, a unique possible target: the present theatrical tribe-approved GWOT war obstructionist, Knesset Congress West. Hm. Maybe a hair-raising False Flag “hit” upon the flip-flopping PNAC whistleblower, “7 countries down, 5 years,” heroic 😯General David Petraeus?

    At any rate, this round, er, look out for something worse than failed weaponized-anthrax spore letter mailings which heralded in the Patriot Act upon “stunned” and impeached dumb goyim masses.

    Thanks, my conditional respect, and no doubt, you shall have a goodwill problem with me, Erebus.👍!

    P.S.: Am not “stunned” that prisoner, Julian Assange’s case, is now M.I.A. in the bipartisan Jewish Corporate Media’s shady reporting.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Momus
    , @Daniel Rich
  292. @Steve Gilbert

    Your wacky synopsis of the Viet Nam conflict outcome make no sense whatsoever: You are mixing hypothetical concepts with totally unrelated scenarios, and you obviously have no knowledge of VN post war history and the role the French played therein.

    VN was not an agricultural nation rather it was a conglomerate of agriculture, commerce and just plain struggle for survival.

    You are clueless, such as the left in general.

    AJM

  293. @Erebus

    Good intentions
    but
    It is only cat circling the plate with hot milk.
    The question is when Iraqi government will officially ask US to leave?
    Only that will be a game changer!

  294. barr says:
    @Anon

    America can accuse anybody of any crime. Who now gives a F* .

  295. Momus says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    In actual news on Earth it has been all but confirmed that the Iranians have missiled the Ukranian plane full of Iranians fleeing that went down out of Teheran with 176 on board.

    Certainly a good few days for the clueless Ayatollahs over there.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Art
  296. Momus says:
    @Desert Fox

    Wrong again. The plane was hit by a missile fired by the Iranians.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  297. Haha. Earlier today, Rush Lumbaugh helped spin Trumpstein’s lie on the reason why he whacked Quassim Soleimani.

    Trumpstein modified the foolishly accepted narrative,🇮🇱and declared that the key reason he murdered the Quds Force General was because he was made aware that Mr. Soleimani planned a major strike on ZUS’s Baghdad-based Embassy. (💤Zigh).

    Trumpstein called him a “mobster.” Haha. Anyone here recall old saying that “it takes one to know one.” Haha. Quick, somebody tell both Biden & Bernie so that they will have a forbidden “Talking Point,” come zionized canidate debates, 2020.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  298. @Momus

    You are a zionist fool, and who ever shot the video is one of the kabal that knew the plane was going to be blown up.

  299. @Momus

    Yo Momus!

    Fyi, I’d rather be ruled by the first ten Ayatollah names in the telephone book instead of one B.C. member of your tribe.

    Haha, Maybe the zionized Roman Catholic sailor, Bill Buckley, gets it now? Fuck you.

  300. utu says:
    @Erebus

    What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out. This faction wants to cement power and keep it so the last thing they want is to have some kind of war with the US. Thus they would do anything to not give further pretexts to the US while at the same time they had to throw a bone to their masses to pacify them by showing that they were tough and very capable. Your narrative about their toughness and capabilities is a part of this bone. The question is what motivates you to throw the bone meant for the consumption by Iranian masses to the UR commentariat?

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @ChuckOrloski
    , @Erebus
  301. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    The upshot of all that is that the intent behind Soleimani’s gangland slaying was to send the US’ message to Mahdi specifically, but also to Iran, the Saudis, and anyone else contemplating M.E. rapprochement that murder awaited them if they continued to work towards peace in the region

    Thanks for yet another outstanding comment, Erebus.
    The description you made of the events leading to the assassination of Qasem Soleimani is certainly correct. In an interview given today, Iraqi parliamentary Naim Al Aboudi, from Al Fath Coalition (the political wing of the Popular Mobilisation Forces) described how, despite US threats, the caretaker Iraqi PM actually signed oil exploitation agreements with China.
    Al Aboudi added that the agreements made in name of the current Iraqi government will have to be respected by the next administration.

    So factors behind the Soleimani assassination involve much more than just Iran’s regional status: China’s rising economic prominence in the ME was also a key driver.

    Arab analysts are highlighting that members of the “Axis of Resistance” have publicly expressed their common political manifesto, by the voice of Hassan Nasrallah in his address of Sept 2019, that they have reached a shared, decisive historic turning point to kick the US out of the ME, and that China and Russia should acknowledge and join this effort.
    Russia is certainly doing so: President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.

    My guess about the delay is that the US is simply stunned.

    There is a lot the US did not say about what really happened. The narrative that Mr Soleimani was murdered by a Reaper drone, allegedly flown from Qatar as per Zionist disinformation outlet “The Daily Mail”, is challenged by both Iranians and Iraqis.
    At a minimum, a drone from the local Ain Al Asad base was used, and very possibly, the strike was delivered from a US helicopter. All making even more a mockery of Iraq’s sovereignty, and credibility as Soleimani’s inviting party.

    Regarding possible Western casualties, credible analysts (Scott Ritter in RT) have highlighted that Iran had optimised the reach of her legitimate response to an act of war , by deliberately warning in advance to avoid casualties.
    But Mr Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force, has just given an interview describing the strikes, and informing that 9 US aircrafts were mobilised to transport the wounded towards Israel and Jordan for medical treatment, as well as a local Bagdad hospital.

    https://french.almanar.com.lb/1611810

    Finally, regarding the downing of the Ukrainian plane in Tehran, the news was announced as soon it happened and no cover up was attempted. (I was about to mention it in a comment at the time, but nobody was reading, so I did not bother 🙂 ). President Trump’s assumption that the B737 was downed by a surface-to-air missile is more likely wrong. Best regards.

  302. Iris says:
    @utu

    The question is what motivates you to throw the bone meant for the consumption by Iranian masses to the UR commentariat?

    Intellectual integrity.

    • Agree: Castellio
  303. @utu

    To Erebus, utu presumably reflected, asked:
    “What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out. This faction wants to cement power…” blah, blah.

    Hey utu.

    Surely you mean the Iranian “faction” which the CIA/Mossad- faction nourished 💰 and became happy when the Adelson/Netanyahu faction became ecstatic while Trumpstein rose to power.

    Haha. Now we have a kick-ass & Macho Man, Apprentice President Bonespur in the Blue & White House, and he’s calling the shots at Iran, liberated Iraq, and Syria. 👹 Below & fyi, is an example of what befuddled & dumb muppet goyim America really got, January 2016.

    Thanks for trying to make sense, utu.

    • Replies: @utu
  304. Erebus says:
    @utu

    Not sure I understand you, but here goes anyways…

    What about this possibility: There is a faction in Iran that was very happy to have Soleimani taken out.

    It’s much more than a possibility. That there exists a pro-Western 5th column within Iran’s ruling elite is well known. Most countries have one and indeed Rouhani himself is seen as pro-West.

    This faction wants to cement power and keep it so the last thing they want is to have some kind of war with the US.

    At this time, I’d say such a faction would be looking for power to “cement”, so it’s certainly quite possible that they had a hand in Soleimani’s murder in order to both ingratiate themselves with the US and weaken their opponents. Given Soleimani’s super high profile role in building the “Axis of Resistance” that’s undermining the US’ dominance of the M.E., I’d expect they’d have the same hate-on for him as Russia’s 5th columnists have for Putin.

    From what we’ve been told, Khamenei himself gave the retaliation orders. Rouhani, so far as we know had nothing to do with it. For what you’re suggesting to be true, Khamenei would have to be a member of the pro-West faction. This makes no sense, of course.

    Rather, the retaliation had to serve several purposes simultaneously…
    1. Send an unequivocal message of military discipline & skills, and the capacity to inflict damage at will to its adversaries and allies.
    2. Let some steam off of the Iranian public’s emotional state.
    3. Accomplish 1. & 2. without giving the other side(s) a prima facie excuse for actual war.

    Iran’s retaliatory strike threaded that needle just about perfectly. No bones required, or thrown.

  305. utu says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    You are a dreamer and an idealist who is very susceptible to wishful thinking. Look at your life and where it got you. Having a good heart is not enough.

  306. Art says:
    @Momus

    In actual news on Earth it has been all but confirmed that the Iranians have missiled the Ukranian plane full of Iranians fleeing that went down out of Teheran with 176 on board.

    Ya’ — look what Trump started — shame shame – he works for the Jewman. He is Israel first!

    Think Peace — Do No Harm

    • Replies: @Robjil
  307. @Iris

    Iris informed me how: “President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.”

    Thanks very much, Iris!

    In contrast, Evangelist UnChristian Zionists, President Trump & V.P. Pence, could only walk the streets of Damascus only after tremendous ZUS missile strikes accomplished another round of “Shock & Awe” liberation. 🇮🇱.

    Like John McCain’s complete ZUS aerial defense-coverage while he swaggered about the streets of Baghdad & boasting how pacified was the city,👹 Mike Pompeo would have to disguise himself as Quassim Soleimani, resurrected with i.d., to even reach a Syria border.

    You are so valuable here, Iris. 🌟, Thanks again.

    • Thanks: Iris
  308. @utu

    That’s a very low blow, utu. Chuck has gained an education and raised a family. Despite his advanced years he is still both earning a living and serving the community by driving children safely to school. He makes no secret of his limited circumstances but seems to me to be quite sincere and he hasn’t lost his sense of humour. You are certainly free to judge his comments but that was low indeed. It’s his life and where he is in it is his own business and neither you nor I are fit to judge him on that basis.

    • Agree: Erebus, geokat62, Daniel Rich
    • Replies: @utu
    , @Iris
    , @ChuckOrloski
  309. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Russia is certainly doing so: President Putin (with Shoigu) spending the Orthodox Christmas touring the streets of Damas in company of President Assad is as strong a symbol as it gets.

    Heartily agreed. Frankly, I was taken somewhat aback by it when I read of his visit and saw the photos. Absolutely soaked in symbolism. The message was for both the Russian public and M.E. players… Russia ain’t going anywhere should real war break out.

    Finally, regarding the downing of the Ukrainian plane in Tehran, the news was announced as soon it happened and no cover up was attempted.

    This is a real puzzler. Lots of wild speculation going on now, apparently based on little in the way of facts. I need a lot more data before coming to even the most preliminary of conclusions.
    The one thing I do know is that the Iranians must not let go of the black boxes, and insist on being an integral part of any investigation. I’d be calling the Chinese and/or Russians in, restricting the Ukrainians and Americans to observers only.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  310. @utu

    Yo utu!

    Well, mighty nice of you to brand me a “dreamer” but I don’t fail in George Soros’s crowd.

    At any rate, as child, 👍, I watched The Wizard of Oz, no-no, is not the nut appearing here @ U.R., and I learned the Tin Man, Oz’s school bus driver,🤗, needed a more than just a “good heart,” and he made it clear that a brain & conscience are necessary to become, uh…, unwishful.

    Apparently, utu, you are “ideally” gifted with all three (3) necessary human components. 🤗Congratulations! But fyi, am Big in Scranton & during January 1981, I was Big in Cairo. Haha, susceptible as Trumpstein’s Deplorables are you, et tu, utu!

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  311. utu says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Nothing judgmental, just descriptive. I like Mr. Orloski and what he stands for, his sentiments and inclinations but it’s not enough to take his opinions seriously while all they express is his wishful thinking and amount to casting spells against reality. Reality can’t be molded by our wishes when all what he have are our wishes. Only those who have media, technology and military can mold and sculpt the reality.

  312. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Mr Chuck O. is a caring and considerate person, the epitome of civility. To be so, one must be very loved by his entourage, family and friends, in their real life.

    Utu, on the other hand,….

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  313. @NoseytheDuke

    My, my, NoseytheDuke, thank you, & btw, may I use your screen name as a reference to Chewy Co.’s Human Resource Manager? They are soon opening a plant nearby Scranton and I reckon that I can become the facility’s experienced Environmental Health & Safety Manager and make Little utu chew on his words.

    Thanks again, C&D, your comment is a good example of doing what Phil Giraldi wisely advised, “stick together.”

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
  314. @Desert Fox

    Agree, I believe a bomb was placed on the plane…

    The clip filmed while the plane was on its downward trajectory shows the plane as intact. Had a bomb exploded, the plane would disintegrate in the air like the Malaysian MH-17 over the Ukraine’s territory or PAN-AM over Lockerbie, and spread debris over a very large area [think miles].

    CCTV on the ground [where the plane crashed] shows a ground disintegration of the plane.

    This plane crashed with a speed of approximately 500 miles into the ground, a few hours later the black boxes are found. Pictures show parts of the unfortunate plane, engines, fuselage, etc.

    Makes you wonder why none of those were ever recovered as ‘leftovers’ from the 4 planes that supposedly crashed on 9/11… Except, of course, of that one, pristine, paper [Muslim] passport…

  315. @ChuckOrloski

    Not advocating the death of anyone, anywhere, but an anonymous car bomb, killing an already obsolete 3 or 4 star general, can [and will] be blamed on Iranian sponsored ‘terrorists,’ regardless where [on this entire globe] the car explodes.

    Plane down in Iran? Russian missile did it!!! Well, you know the drill even better than I do :o]

    Assange’ s mentally dissected into bits and pieces and happily washed down the memory/rabbit hole as an example how TPTB deal with [potential] whistle blowers.

    You blab? We stab!”

    Gradually working my way through ‘Best Evidence’ [chapter 5 atm]. It’s so blatantly clear the shot that did in JFK came front the front and right, not to mention the whitewashing of [autopsy] reports, etc. Man, it makes my blood boil [a bit. not too much]. The sad thing is, those who were behind this assassination plot will never feel the wrath of true justice, just like those of MLK, RJK, Malcom X and 9/11 [to mention a few].

    I’m not inclined to believe the zionists have given up on their plans for the M.E., but I’d seriously consider moving out and away from Occupied Palestine and stop being a sitting fuck duck, that’s for sure. The ‘Iron Dome is’ standing on clay feet and you and I both know what happens when the first ‘enemy’ salvo is fired.

    Stay warm, Chuck.

  316. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    But Mr Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC’s Aerospace Force, has just given an interview describing the strikes, and informing that 9 US aircrafts were mobilised to transport the wounded towards Israel and Jordan for medical treatment, as well as a local Bagdad hospital.

    Sorry, I forgot to address this.

    I too have read the reports from Iranian sources speaking of significant casualties, but as long as they aren’t corroborated I chalk ’em up to the fog of war. My real point in all of that is that by giving fair warning Iran showed it wasn’t interested in racking up casualties. If there were some, well that’s what happens when missiles fly, but they are (quite literally) collateral damage. The primary intended damage is to American credibility and to any lingering misconceptions about Iran’s military capacity.

    The primary purpose of the salvoes was to send a clear message, and casualty numbers serve only to bring down a red haze that obscures it. You can bet your last Euro(?) that the calculations being done in the region’s capitals and Washington consider those casualty reports only for their utility, if they consider them at all.

    For diluting Iranian anger, the more casualties the better. For assuaging American egos, the fewer the better. So, one reports “lots”, and the other “none”. It doesn’t matter which one is more accurate. What really matters is the strategic balance, and I believe that the said calculations show that the fulcrum has shifted markedly in favour of Iran.

    America’s range of options has narrowed, perhaps precipitously, while Iran’s widened. The Russian/Chinese security – development proposal will now get fresher, more focussed attention than it got before, while the US finds itself forced into an unwelcome spoiler’s role.

    • Replies: @Iris
  317. @utu

    Haha. Judge utu claimed that my U.R. stuff merely amounts to “casting spells against reality.”

    Aw shucks. If only I can get as good with “casting spells” as does AIPAC. 🙏.

  318. @ChuckOrloski

    Quick, somebody tell both Biden & Bernie so that they will have a forbidden “Talking Point,” come zionized canidate debates, 2020.

    Given their age, I think you’ll need to raise your voice a little in order to be heard.

    Anyone who’s not a pensioner running for office, this year?

    In nature’s it’s the strong and healthy that lead a pack. We’re led by depends and walkers, by our noses and right into the abyss…

    Stay in one piece, Chuck.

    P.S. When will that mime shut up?

    :o]

  319. Robjil says:
    @Art

    Trump gave the warning about 52 sites to be attacked.

    Notice the number of the plane – 752. Iran is also the seventh nation on the list to be destroyed for the nine eleven false.

    There are now 6 B-52 bombers in the Indian Ocean.

    This plane is Operation Gladio, a sad use of civilians for ZUS games.

    The number 52 was a clue, a warning to those who know these games.

    This ZUS Ukraine is a real Zio playground.

    It gave the Zios their first Operation Gladio plane crash in 2014 to demonize Russia. Now ZUS Ukraine does the same game to Iran.

    ZUS Ukraine also is the centerpiece in the Trump Impeachment charade. Nuland must be smiling from ear to ear with her successful work for a Zio world.

  320. @utu

    Look at your life and where it got you.

    That is the part that I thought was below the belt and undeserved. Life has so many twists and turns and sometimes it only takes one or the other to determine who is a “success” and who is not. Our society’s entire understanding of what is success has become a cruel joke anyway. Was it Krishnamurti who said something like, “it is no measure of success to be well adjusted in a profoundly sick society”? Something like that.

    I know quite a number of people in America who were considered “successful” only a few short years ago but they are truly struggling nowadays. Of course a great many others are still doing well, which only means that the tipping point has yet to be reached.

  321. @utu

    Look at your life and where it got you [Chuck Orloski – DR].

    You have met this legend in person?

    Man, I’m bellowing yellow and green gasses, filled with rage, envy and jealousy.

    Oh, and lots and lots of anger.

    You lucky, bastard, you.

  322. @Erebus

    [Ukrainian plane crash in Iran – DR] This is a real puzzler. Lots of wild speculation going on now, apparently based on little in the way of facts. I need a lot more data before coming to even the most preliminary of conclusions.

    The following is based upon Iranian HUMINT: the man saw the plane go down engulfed in flames, but intact. He didn’t see the actual crash as it was too far away and buildings hampered his view.

    My personal take: engine blow out that set the fuel tank/s on fire and knocked out most of the communication/computer channels and cables to fly/steer the plane properly. Although it is said the plane turned to go back to the airport, the above mentioned HUMINT said the plane went down in a straight line.

  323. @ChuckOrloski

    et tu, utu!

    Oh, man. I got tears in my eyes and my stomach hurts!

    Thanks for this hearty and extended laughter. Really appreciated :o]

  324. Anon[368] • Disclaimer says:

    SOS HELP NEEDED FOR THE POSTS ON THIS BS (Québec main newspaper):


    http://www.journaldequebec.com

    The posts (Facebook comments) for the articles on the plane crash that occurred Wednesday in Iran and in which 83 Canadians died seem to be carefully selected so as to portray Iran as a despotic aggressive country of mullahs that possesses nuclear weapons, and that is ready to attack us. NOTHING (NO POST) against Israel are tolerated.

    – The FB posts following the articles all seem to be selected so as to accuse Iran, to forge or reinforce the idea that IRAN is, and has always been an aggressor.

    – The posts seem to be selected so as to ensure that the dominant opinion is that ”IRAN is responsible for the crash.” Without proof.

    I suspect that the US-UK NATO and their mob want to use Canada, and the French-Rothschild connection of Québec, which has CFB Valcartier and CFB Bagotville, to attack IRAN, like they did for Libya.

    So we want help for the posts on this ”newspaper” please.

    Note: Bagotville and Col. Bouchard bombed and destroyed Libya, when AIPAC’s Irwin Cotler gave the OK for the no-fly zone. So wouldn’t NATO use the same useful idiots again?

    Thanks, and peace!

  325. @Iris

    You’re a treasure, Iris.

    Thanks already used.

    Thank you.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Thanks: Iris
  326. Sparkon says:

    “Ducks in a barrel”

    Yes, and be sure to get your fish in a row before shooting at a barrel of monkeys.

    And if you drive a school bus, be sure to drop your f-bombs in the basement so the kids don’t hear, and as an additional benefit, anyone with toys up in the attic can easily overlook those f-bombs down in the basement, and might even praise you as “the epitome of civility.” In turn, you can respond in kind to this loathsome butt-nuzzling with your own unqualified praise:

    You are so valuable here, Iris. 🌟, Thanks again.

    Do words have any lasting meaning around here? Apparently, the Chuckster — and now 🌟SolontoCroesus too — have both forgotten already about Iris’s previous, virtually non-stop promotion of big-time BS artist James Files and his unbelievable claims about taking part in JFK’s assassination, and how the bus driver himself had pleaded with Iris to give it up about James Files because, you know, “stick together,” I guess.

    Even the cheeks of one’s buttocks can stick together, so I’m not convinced that such close adhesion is necessarily a good idea in all cases, but maybe the butt-nuzzling helps with all that.

    After all, if it sticks together like a pair of buttocks, it may quack like a duck when passing wind and releasing another kind of unwelcome f-bomb, present company included, of course, where at least Chuck Orloski is a real American whose f-bombs apparently don’t stink to some noses.

    By the way Nosey, busing does not “serve the community.” Rather, it has been an unmitigated disaster. Still, I don’t blame Chuck for taking whatever job he can find, but maybe he hasn’t put all his monkeys in one barrel.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  327. @Erebus

    ‘…The question now revolves around whether the US needs a thousand cuts to absorb the message that its dominance of the M.E. is over.’

    The question is whether the thousand cuts being inflicted on us will disturb Israel.

    My guess is they won’t. There’re a whole lot of American gentiles. Israel can fight on indefinitely.

  328. @Sparkon

    Hey Sparkon!

    As you likely know, the Jewish deceit procedures are complex, and well meaning & open-minded, Iris, was not the 1st person to fall for James Files’s entertaining & choreographed assassin admission.

    For Christ’s sake, it took the work of a dead man, Michael Collins Piper, to alert Ron Unz to the fact that James Douglass was not the final word as to who murdered President JFK. The conventional wisdom was that the CIA and the Wat Machine whacked him. That stuck.😒

    Haha, Jewish Oliver Stone came close to Israel’s central involvement in killing JFK when Permindex was mentioned in his popular film. 😳 So stop piling on Iris, tough guy!

    P.S.: Any work which doesn’t harm people is honorable, and such includes school bus driving, Iskra Boy.

  329. anon[631] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adûnâi

    Europe was born with Homer and died with Hitler.

    You can dream of war all you want. You’ll just probably end up dying alone and childless in your bed. Sad, isn’t it?

  330. Iris says:
    @Erebus

    The primary purpose of the salvoes was to send a clear message,

    Hi Erebus. The Iranians further clarified their message through the press conference given by Ali Hajizadeh, commander of the IRGC Aerospace force, as he stood with all the flags of the “Axis of Resistance” on full display behind him. (9:00 in the video).

    This conference holds a great symbolic value, as it de facto establishes and affirms the reality of an organised “Resistance Axis” alliance, striving towards a common goal, which Mr Hajizadeh very clear and unambiguously stated to be the eviction of the US from the ME.

    Mr Alizadeh gave the following details about the strike on the Ain Al Asad base:
    – a main goal was to hit the command centre inside the base, not the personnel barracks, and this goal was achieved.
    – 15 minutes after the strike, the Iranians achieved an important success in electronic warfare as they jammed/cut US drones communication.

    https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981020000251

    The information from Syria is equally significant.
    In prevision of the Iranian retaliations after the Soleimani assassination, the US military had moved reinforcement comprising 180 armoured vehicles to protect strategic O&G field east of the Euphrates. The “Al Omar” and “Kuniko” fields are among the most important in Syria and President Trump had expressed the intention to keep control of them.

    However, as soon as the Iranian strikes started, the US military left the O&G fields and sought refuge in highly populated areas of Cheddadi and Rumeila. In other terms, in absence of reliable air defences, the US Army in Syria is relying on unwitting human shields and on Iran’s respecting the rules of engagement and avoiding any collateral damage.

    Finally, regarding the crash of the Ukrainian B737, the Iranian head of Civil Aviation Abidzadeh stated that the Ukrainian pilot communicated with the air controllers and informed of a technical issue, before turning back towards Tehran airport, after which one of the engines caught fire.
    The flight recorders are not terminally damaged (1:20); so the Iranians expect to retrieve the pilot’s call, as well as relevant flight parameters.

    • Replies: @Iris
  331. Milton says:
    @Desert Fox

    That was my first intuition: a bomb placed by Bolton’s MEK buddies.

  332. Milton says:
    @McChuck

    And the West declared war on Iran in 1953. Try again.

  333. Iris says:
    @Iris

    Statement issued by the Iranian Armed Forces that Ukrainian flight 752 was downed as a consequence of human error by air defence units:

    flight number 752 of the Ukrainian airline company left Imam Khomeini airport and then approached a sensitive military centre after a turn, positioning itself at the altitude and form of a hostile flight and was hit because of a human error and unintentionally under such conditions “

    https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13981021000078

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    , @Erebus
  334. @roonaldo

    Hey roonaldo!

    Were Saturday Night Live (SNL) permitted to go too close to true ZUS political satire, I suggest they would hire you as script writer and bestow upon you “Big Time” bucks.

    Meanwhile, roonaldo, “you be me ‘da man!” And thanks for offering a Nobel Prize award-worthy service in Jonathan Swift Literature Category.😅

    Haha. I will repeat, “When Melania told him to calm down, he turned even oranger, grabbed her by the hair and declared “No more high heels for you, bitch!” And when Barron tried to comfort his mother, daddy-dearest dragged the poor kid to the Truman Porch and hurled him into some rose bushes” Haha, to repeat, “you be me ‘da man!”

    P.S.: Too bad Trumpstein made good lookin’ Melania just another “hit & run” like did the late-great & way different, Lou Reed, described in his song with an obo accompanient, “Street Hassle.”

    • Replies: @roonaldo
  335. @Iris

    Iran is to be commended for coming out and admitting that it was a human error, rather than trying to cover it up and pawn it off on someone else, as we do regularly. I think the one huge error on their part was not grounding all flights once the missiles were launched and a US retaliation was expected.

  336. barr says:
    @Lot

    Like Fox CNN WSJ NYT do

    , Masih Alinejad, has been repeatedly echoing the administration’s claims that Iranians, despite all visible evidence, were welcoming Trump’s potential act of war against Iran.

    Fox News for example presented Alinejad – who appeared on the network on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday – as an “Iranian journalist” or “Iranian journalist and activist,” missing a key detail about her biography: she’s paid by the U.S. government. CNN, and New York Times columnist Bret Stephens also quoted her without acknowledging her government funding.

    Alinejad works as an “anchor, writer, reporter for [Voice of America] Persian Service,

    She received more than $305,000 in contracts for her work at Voice of America (VOA) Persia between May, 2015 and September 10, 2019, the date of her most recent contract.

    On Friday, Stephens {NYT} .,” wrote Stephens. “‘Suleimani’s death could bring a sense of realism to the Islamic Republic’s thinking,’ says the Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad.”

    On Friday, Alinejad told Fox News…

    On Saturday, she told Fox News —…

    And on Fox News on Sunday, she continued to echo Trump administration ….
    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2020/01/06/u-s-media-outlets-fail-to-disclose-u-s-government-ties-of-iranian-journalist-echoing-trump-talking-points/

  337. Herald says:
    @Colin Wright

    Oh well, it’s all in the open now and at least Iran has owned up without any undue delay.

  338. Erebus says:
    @Iris

    Thanks for that Iris!

    I have little doubt that Solomeini’s murder catalysed whatever kept the Axis of Resistance from forming in an official/public manner previously. Doubtless much of the normal jostling for position that prevented it came to a halt as the presence of the enemy made itself abundantly clear. The flag display amounted to an inaugural announcement, which the Western media will do its best to bury.

    Incredibly, Pompeo rejected Abdul Mahdi’s official request to send a delegation to Baghdad to discuss troop withdrawal, saying the US is prepared to discuss only the “appropriate force posture in the Middle East”. So, it looks like the US has chosen to challenge the Axis to implement its 1,000 cuts plan. One can hope it’ll take less than 1,000.

    As for the downing of PS 752, the rather incredible error here is Iran’s failure to close its airspace to civilian traffic. It was asking for trouble.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  339. Sparkon says:
    @Erebus

    As for the downing of PS 752, the rather incredible error here is Iran’s failure to close its airspace to civilian traffic. It was asking for trouble.

    Perhaps, but the NY Times reported that 18 airliners had taken off from Tehran’s international airport in the aftermath of the Iranian missile attack on U.S. bases in Iraq — apparently safely and without incident — before the Ukrainian 737 was shot down.

    As is, this incident does not compute. There must be a missing factor.

    The really incredible error begging some further explanation is how the Iranian SAM crew mistook the Ukrainian 737-800 for a cruise missile at all, when there should have been nothing extraordinary or alarming about this particular 737 to distinguish it from those that had passed safely through this same airspace earlier.

    By then there was already independent assessment of flight paths out of Tehran’s airport that day to show PS752’s flight path was consistent with previous take-offs. Ukraine Airlines even compiled flight path data going back to November to show there was no abnormality. “There was no deviation from flight path despite someone wants to imply this,” Sosnovsky told a briefing in Kiev. While the flight had made a slight turn north – as had been done on previous days – the heading adjustment was “strictly in accordance with the controller’s permission.” — Will Horton, Forbes

    What was it about this particular airliner that caused the Iranians to panic and launch two SAMs at it? Could there have been some kind of jiggery pokery going on to spoof the Iranians into firing at the the 737?

    Into the realm of conjecture, I say a decoy drone could mimic the electronic signature of any aircraft, and attract the attention of nearby anti-aircraft radar assets like a SAM battery. Indeed, a ground-hugging, radar evading/stealth cruise missile or decoy could have been flown across the immediate vicinity of Tehran’s airport, popped-up with a big juicy cruise missile signature just as the Ukrainian 737 was taking off, and then have ducked down again. You remember the ducks. You may remember also the incident from Sept. 17, 2018, where a Russian Il-20 was shot down by a Syrian SAM after IAF jets played peek-a-boo, hiding behind the Russian turboprop, and fooling the Syrians into firing at it.

    At this stage, it’s purely my speculation, but I wonder if something like the MALD might be the missing factor?

    The Miniature Air Launched Decoy (MALD) is a nine-foot, 300 pound drone designated for electronic warfare and designed to copy the flight profiles of US aircraft, which confuses the enemy’s integrated air defense systems.

    The MALD is launched from an aircraft in-flight and travels a pre-programmed course of up to 100 checkpoints over a 500 nm range. As it’s flying around, its state-of-the-art Signature Augmentation Subsystem (SAS), comprised of various active radar enhancers covering a range of frequencies, is pumping out signals that mimic the radar signature and flight profiles of a larger, more dangerous, allied aircraft—anything from the B-52 Stratofortress to the F-117 Nighthawk.

    This UAV Decoy Can Fool Even the Smartest SAM
    Andrew Tarantola, Gizmodo

    Of course, there would never be any need for a decoy drone to mimic a civilian airliner, would there?

    • Replies: @Erebus
  340. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    As far as I understand it; 80% of the SAA is Sunni, it seems hardly credible that they would have fought with such devotion for a state which disowned them.

  341. @Colin Wright

    Destroying Israel, on the other hand, is simply a matter of persuading enough Jews to book flights from Ben Gurion to JFK.

    Yes, but can you imagine the kvetching? The weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth?

  342. Erebus says:
    @Sparkon

    The really incredible error begging some further explanation is how the Iranian SAM crew mistook the Ukrainian 737-800 for a cruise missile at all…

    As you go on to explain, there’s nothing incredible about it.

    From where I sit, the Iranians should have anticipated just such error-inducing tactics as you suggested to be employed to dilute, if not invert the message their retaliatory salvoes sent. Why they didn’t short-circuit them by closing the airspace is what I view as incredible.

    I have little doubt that closing the airspace would have been considered. It would be interesting to hear how they determined that it should be kept open because I can’t think of any argument that wouldn’t be classified as “political”. If so, allowing a political determination to trump the public’s safety points to a breach of public trust. It would have to be an almost unimaginably strong political argument to overcome that, not to mention overcoming the political fallout from any catastrophe. I’d bet that the decision makers are regretting it today.

    As it is, details are emerging underscoring the fact that we don’t know the half of what actually occurred. Amongst these are that PS 752’s transponder apparently turned off some 30 seconds before the missile hit and that the rather older mobile TOR battery that shot it down was not fully integrated into the wider AD network.

    Other details are likely to emerge, changing our perception of the event. As were the examples you cited, I expect any technical details to be quite straightforwardly explicable. The political decision not so much.

  343. roonaldo says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks, Chuck. I was gonna post somethin’ serious, but could only laugh at how bizarre Trump is gettin’–way worse than the one bad acid trip I had long ago–gyrating, multicolored talking rabbits and all! Cheers!

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