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Imagine if you will a ship from a nation not at war with anyone sailing in international waters on a quiet June day being suddenly attacked by unidentified warplanes and torpedo boats, their markings covered up to conceal their country of origin. The vessel under attack had little with which to defend itself, but its crew heroically made sure that a large national flag was hoisted to demonstrate that it was not a belligerent in anyone’s conflict. The attackers noted the nationality of the vessel, but persisted in their aggression in a clear attempt to sink the ship and kill all its crew. The officers on the ship radioed that they were under attack and asked for help, but even though friendly fighter aircraft were within striking distance and were automatically dispatched, they were then mysteriously recalled. The attacks lasted for two hours, longer than the Pearl Harbor attack that brought about American entry into World War 2, killing and wounding more than two hundred of the crew. Life rafts lowered into the water as the vessel seemed to be sinking were machine gunned by the attacking aircraft and torpedo boats to make escape or evacuation of the wounded impossible but the captain and survivors worked heroically, and successfully, to keep the ship afloat. When the vessel finally made it back to port, the officers and crew were sworn to silence by their own government and a cover-up was initiated that has persisted to this day. Many of the ship’s survivors have died since that day 53 years ago, and the attempts of the remainder to see justice before they are also gone have been ignored.

I am, of course, referring to the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, which took place on June 8, 1967, nearly 53 years ago. The anniversary of the attack is coming up in a month and the remaining officers and crew will hold a ceremony at the Navy memorial in Washington D.C. to honor the memory of their thirty-four shipmates killed and the 172 who were wounded. Seventy per cent of the crew were casualties, the highest percentage of casualties on any ship that remained afloat in the history of the U.S. Navy. The lightly armed intelligence gathering vessel Liberty and its heroic crew emerged from the near destruction as the most decorated ship for valor in a single action in the United States Navy.

Israeli willingness to attack and kill Americans unnecessarily, apparently to send a message, has been noted before. There is the case of Rachel Corrie run over by an Israeli bulldozer and of Furkan Dogan, a Turkish-American who was, like the crew of the Liberty, killed in international waters when he sailed on the Gaza relief vessel Mavi Marmara. But in spite of that, the deliberate attempt to destroy the Liberty, which, according to former U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk, was clearly approved at the highest level of the Jewish state’s government, still has shock value.

Israel’s apologists, a virtual fixture at all levels in the U.S. government as well as in academia and the media, have long been making the argument that the attack on the Liberty was some kind of “friendly fire” accident. But the relatively recent discovery that a Navy spy plane intercepted and recorded Israeli both helicopter and fighter pilots mentioning the American flag displayed by the ship during the attack suggests otherwise. Other recordings made of the Israeli communications revealed that some of the pilots did not want to attack. One pilot said, “This is an American ship. I can see the flag. Do you still want us to attack?” Israeli ground control responded, “Yes, follow orders. Hit it!” before admonishing the pilots to “finish the job.”

But while one expects the Israelis to behave abominably, based on any assessment of the years of war crimes committed in places like Lebanon and what remains of Palestine, the greatest crime against the Liberty crew was committed by the United States government itself. President Lyndon B. Johnson (LBJ) and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara reportedly were informed of the attack shortly after it began and it was Johnson who twice personally ordered the recall of the U.S. fighter planes going to rescue the Liberty. Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the carrier group in the Mediterranean that the planes had launched from, objected and McNamara responded testily that “President Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors.” It was McNamara, again acting on LBJ’s orders, who had the crew sequestered after the ship made it to Malta, issuing a “gag-order” over the incident with the understanding that anyone who spoke up would be secretly court martialed and imprisoned.

To maintain the cover-up, Captain William McGonagle, who was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his role in saving the ship, had his medal awarded without any publicity in a private ceremony at the Washington Naval Yard rather than at the White House as was otherwise normal. The President of the United States did not make the award, yet another dismissal of the valor of the Liberty crew.

Normally an attack on a U.S. Navy vessel would have mandated an official Court of Inquiry, but in the case of the Liberty an improvised team consisting of Admiral Isaac Kidd and Chief Counsel Ward Boston was pulled together in the Mediterranean under orders from Admiral John S. McCain, father of Senator John McCain, who was based in London. The Navy’s official ‘Court of Inquiry’ therefore consisted in reality of just Kidd and Boston making a quick visit to the Liberty at sea and then rushing back to Washington via London, where McCain endorsed the 700 page draft document without reading it. The hastily prepared report bypassed all ordinary fact-finding and legal review procedures and no one knows what channels the ‘Findings of the Court of Inquiry’ followed in Washington.

Acting under orders from the White House, the inquiry had been given only a week to prepare its report, a procedure that normally requires six months. The result was also predetermined by McNamara acting for LBJ, who ordered that the conclusion would be that the attack on the Liberty had been a “case of mistaken identity.”

No crewmen from the Liberty were even allowed to provide formal testimony during the inquiry proceedings. Nevertheless, the inquiry’s chief counsel Ward Boston subsequently confirmed in a sworn affidavit that he and Kidd had strongly disagreed with the coerced findings, believing instead that Israel had staged an unprovoked attack intending to sink the ship and kill all the crew. Admiral Kidd referred to the Israelis as “murderous bastards.” Boston also observed that the transcript of the court of inquiry that was subsequently released had been altered, presumably by someone acting on behalf of the White House, to delete and change testimony damaging to Israel.

As is often the case, there is a back story to what happened to the Liberty. In the years prior to the attack on the Liberty, President John F. Kennedy was concerned over powerful and wealthy American Jews attempting to hijack U.S. foreign policy to favor Israel. He also took steps to prevent Israeli development of nuclear weapons. After he was assassinated, his successor as president Lyndon B. Johnson, who has been described as having a political career “interwoven with Jews,” saw things quite differently. He turned a blind eye over the Israeli nuclear program and surrounded himself with Jewish friends and advisors who were actively engaged in promoting the Zionist agenda, some of them plausibly as actual agents of Mossad.

Most prominent among that group were the Krims, Arthur and Mathilde, he a leading media lawyer and studio head who was a Democratic Party fundraiser and she a geneticist, a Swiss born convert to Judaism who had lived in British Mandate Palestine with her first husband, an Irgun terrorist. Jewish terror was a cause which she actively supported. The Krims were regular companions of LBJ throughout his presidency, with a reserved room in the White House and a house near his ranch in Stonewall Texas when he was on vacation there. Johnson also stayed at their mansion in New York.

At the time of the Six Day War when the Liberty was attacked, the Krims were constantly at the side of LBJ and it is generally accepted that they were both working on behalf of the Israeli government to cultivate a decisive presidential tilt towards Israel. Johnson, in fact, was informed of the Israeli intention to go to war against its neighbors in advance and gave the green light, even agreeing to come to the aid of the Jewish state if things went wrong. To seal the deal, Mathilde was even having an affair with LBJ, a situation well known to White House staff and to the Secret Service.

Since 1967, there have been a number of documentaries, books and unofficial inquiries regarding the attack on the Liberty, but resistance from the usual suspects has meant that the story has not become better known. Meanwhile Congress, the Pentagon and the White House have refused to authorize fair and impartial formal hearings that would recognize the deficiencies in the 1967 inquiry and which would include testimony from the remaining Liberty survivors. Senator John McCain was notorious for his offhand treatment of entreaties from the survivors as was then congressman and now governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, a former Navy Seal. DeSantis now calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in the United States.

The most serious unofficial inquiries have involved former military officers. In 2003, Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, formed an independent commission of inquiry to look into the attack. It produced Loss of Liberty, a documentary that included actual interviews with survivors. The commission, which included Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, Marine General Ray Davis, and Ambassador James Akins, reviewed all documentary evidence in the case and interviewed both survivors and other naval officers who were involved indirectly. They learned that the Liberty had been surveilled by the Israelis for at least eight hours prior to the attack and that the ship was both clearly marked as American and was unmistakable as a uniquely configured and immediately recognizable intelligence collection vessel, not even close to the profile of an Egyptian horse transporter as Israel subsequently claimed. During the carefully planned attack, Israeli used radio jamming in an attempt to prevent the Liberty from radioing its predicament.

Moorer’s commission concluded that Israel had deliberately attacked the Liberty and sought to sink it and kill its entire crew. The crewmen who were killed were “murdered” by Israel while the U.S. should have regarded the attack as an act of war and responded appropriately. The cover-up of what had taken place was ordered by the White House and the fact that the truth about the incident continues to be hidden is a “national disgrace.” In an op-ed Moorer wrote in 2004, he concluded by asking “Did our government put Israel’s interest ahead of our own? If so, why?”

In October 2003 the Moorer commission presented its report on Capitol Hill, though its audience was often limited to congressional staffers rather than the understandably fearful members. One year later Representative John Conyers of Michigan overcame considerable resistance to have the report and some accompanying information entered into the Congressional Record. Moorer and Admiral Staring, a former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, who had been the legal officer in the McCain office in London who had not been allowed to carefully review the Court of Inquiry report, continued to advocate for an honest investigation of the attack on the Liberty until they died in 2004 and 2013 respectively.

Which leads us to the present and the question of justice for the U.S.S. Liberty survivors who will be gathering next month. The tale of the Liberty demonstrates that even fifty-three years ago the United States government was betraying its own people out of deference to Jewish power and to the state of Israel. If anything, as horrific as the killing of 34 personnel on board of the Liberty was, the situation has gotten even worse as Washington sends billions of dollars to the Jewish state annually while also giving its kleptocratic government a green light to commit war crimes and other aggressions that will ultimately draw in the United States, and could plausibly bring about our ruination. It is unpleasant to say the least to watch an unrestrained and unprincipled client state do terrible damage to a much larger patron enabled by the machinations of a dual-loyalty fifth column, but that is what we are seeing.

And the actual rot really began with the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, when patriotic Americans died at the whim of a feckless president who loved a foreign country more than his own. One hopes he is rotting in hell. Today few Americans even know about the Liberty even though they are now facing an election in which two presidential candidates will seek to outdo each other in expressing their love for Israel. Trump and Biden should instead take pause and first demand as a sine qua non justice for the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. anon[243] • Disclaimer says:

    The only way to get pay back for the Liberty is with an ICBM. The world would rejoice, Iran and the rest of the ME would be allies and Russia and China would have respect for the Empire.

    But that’s a bridge too far for the rotting carcass of the American political system.

  2. lloyd says: • Website

    Reading this tiresome old scandal, I said tiresome because nothing is ever done to remedy it, I had been thinking that the Krims were trading Mrs Krim with LBJ. I had considered not to send a post of my suspicion as it would be slander. Then lo and behold it comes up in the next sentence to improptu laughter from me. Washington seems no different from Hollywood.

    • Replies: @donut
    , @SP
    , @Dago dingo
  3. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:

    On this day [around 11pm on 2 May] in 2003, Israel murdered Welsh cameraman James Miller with a bullet to his neck while he was holding & waving a white flag.

    From 2009 –

    https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/israel-pays-damages-for-death-of-journalist-james-miller/
    The family of James Miller, the British TV journalist killed by the Israeli army more than five years ago, have accepted a settlement from the country’s government.

  4. And Christian Zionists couldn’t care less. I hope I am wrong about this, though.

  5. vot tak says:

    “The crewmen who were killed were “murdered” by Israel while the U.S. should have regarded the attack as an act of war and responded appropriately.”

    Definitely. The u.s. should do so now. The israelis view their relations with other nations as in a state of war where literally anything goes. As long as the sods think they can get away with it. The usa should treat israel like a wartime enemy and all zionazi assets of theirs as any agents, spies, terrorists, etc. of a hostile foreign power are treated during wartime.

    Those in government shown to be guilty of this treason need to meet Mr or Ms Noose. Post haste.

    • Agree: Alfred, mocissepvis
    • Replies: @Jefferson Temple
  6. donut says:
    @lloyd

    “Reading this tiresome old scandal” do you mean the holohoax ?

  7. tiredofit says:
    @Omegabooks

    Major funding for the criminal State is through many of the Christian churches in America.They have bought into the Hogwash of ” Gods Chosen”.

  8. Paul says:

    As I recall, there are different theories on why Israel attacked the USS Liberty. One is that Israel did not want to be monitored as it seized Syria’s Golan Heights, something the United States opposed. Another is that Israel did not want to be monitored as it murdered captured Egyptian troops it did not know what with to do. There is some discussion of Israel’s motive on the Internet.

  9. geokat62 says:

    Israel’s War Crimes Have Killed Americans: If the president loves to honor the military, start with the U.S.S. Liberty

    Thanks for keeping the candle of truth alight, Phil.

  10. chris says:

    Another way to consider the crime of the Liberty is to contrast the inquiry and compensations to the victims with what these would have been if it had been the US who would have tried to destroy an Israeli ship.

    The prosecutions, the punishments, then the books and movies, the remembrances, the atonements, the museums and history books, the lapels and commemorations into perpetuity, and then there would come the compensations! Few things could stand in starker contrast to the erasure of the crime and its victims than that.

    What the Israelis did to the Liberty in 1967, they and their acolytes have been doing since that time to our own liberties; I hope we’ll be as ‘lucky’ as the ship, though right now, our liberties look a lot like the picture in Phil’s article.

  11. anonymous[306] • Disclaimer says:

    Here is a timeline of the attack from the Chicago Tribune in 2007 which shows the planes were called off after US flag spotted but torpedo boats which were under separate command were not called back or did not get the message.

    1:56 p.m. Two Israeli Mirage III aircraft, followed by two Super Mystere aircraft, begin their attack on the Liberty.

    2:14 p.m. The chief Israeli air controller in Tel Aviv tells the controller who is directing the attack on the Liberty that the ship is “apparently American.”

    2:20 p.m. The Israeli naval commander orders the commander of the Torpedo Boat Division to attack the Liberty. At almost the same time, the Naval Operations Branch orders: “Do not attack. It is possible that the aircraft have not identified correctly.” The commander of the Torpedo Boat Division says he never got any order to cease the attack, although the deputy commander says he passed the message to the commander.

    2:24 p.m. Liberty sights three MTBs 4-5 miles away and closing fast.

    2:26 p.m. Liberty raises its largest American flag, the “Holiday colors.”

    2:27 p.m. Three torpedo boats begin strafing the Liberty and launch their six torpedoes.

    2:28 p.m. Five torpedoes miss the ship, but one strikes the Liberty’s right side, leaving a 39-foot hole.

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/chi-liberty_tuesoct02-story.html

    • Replies: @fnn
  12. Anon[232] • Disclaimer says:

    Senator John McCain was notorious for his offhand treatment of entreaties from the survivors as was then congressman and now governor Ron DeSantis of Florida, a former Navy Seal. DeSantis now calls himself the most pro-Israel governor in the United States.

    I’m fairly certain DeSantis was not a Navy SEAL, never went through SEAL training, but instead was in the U.S. Navy Reserves as JAG lawyer and one of his assignments was with a SEAL team. Nonetheless, yeah, he has— as E. Michael Jones would say— checked all the right boxes to secure the status of trusted servant of the oligarchs: Yale, Harvard Law, U.S. Navy, and absolute fealty to Israel.

    • Agree: Francis Meyrick
    • Replies: @Old and Grumpy
    , @Sokrates
  13. gotmituns says:

    I was otherwise engaged (3rd Marine division, Vietnam) or I probably would’ve killed LBJ.

  14. Trinity says:

    “embarrass an American ally over a few sailors.”

    Well, that would make a good recruiting poster or slogan. “An American ally?
    The Lavon Affair
    USS Liberty
    Jonathan Pollard

    And the rather odd spectacle of Israelis seen celebrating while the Twin Towers collapsed on September 11, 2001. WHY would an “American ally” celebrate an event that would result in the deaths of thousands of innocent American citizens? It is a damn shame that no one in Washington has the balls to tackle this story. This is so surreal how Israel controls not only America’s foreign policy but a great deal of our domestic policy as well. IF Trump were to address this story it would finally bring justice to those poor sailors, even if it is nothing but getting the story out there to be heard by the masses. I can’t imagine fighting for something for over a half century and not giving up, better men than me for sure/ These men have to be getting up in years and it would sure be nice to see them put this to rest before they pass on. Not only would Trump being doing these men a favor but if he chose to publicly address this event it would more than likely be a watershed moment for finally breaking the Zionist stranglehold over not only America but the entire West. UNFORTUNATELY, I am not holding my breath. I would guess that only 20-25% of Americans have even heard about this story and that is being generous. Our population is totally clueless about past events like the Liberty and to tell you the truth, most don’t even give a damn, at least not the ones I have spoken to about this story. Very sad.

    • Replies: @Anon
  15. The lesson of the USS Liberty is one that should be studied carefully by other states: if you find yourself in a hot war, and you are allied with a global superpower, and that superpower is providing you diplomatic cover and supplying you with needed weaponry, then do this:

    identify a major nearby asset of theirs, and bomb the fuck out of it.

    And make sure not to kill only “grunts”; also kill highly trained telecom and field intel people.

    And make sure to not finish the job, but leave badly wounded survivors and witnesses — the more bitterness and hostility the better. You can rely on the survivors and the families of the dead — an unusually smart and tough-minded demographic with deep connections to the superpower’s military class — to shrug off a whitewash.

    If you can pull this off, then you get a half-century (and counting) of diplomatic and military support.

    Probably this very moment, Syria is following a plan of similar deviousness and cunning, and bombing the fuck out of Russian-supplied, Russian-manned command and control infrastructure.

    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Teabones
  16. Lyndon B. Johnson was put in charge by Israel and its infamous terror agency Mossad. The official story of the assassination of John. F. Kennedy is baloney. The Warren Commission was a cover-up from start to finish as the 9/11 Commission Report. JFK was against Israel’s secret nuclear program; therefore, he had to go. At his assassination, former terror gang leader Yitzhak Shamir was the head of Mossad. Later, he became Israel’s Prime Minister.

    “In 2003, Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, formed an independent commission of inquiry to look into the attack. It produced Loss of Liberty, a documentary that included actual interviews with survivors. “The Moorer Commission concluded that “Israel had deliberately attacked the Liberty and sought to sink it and kill its entire crew. The crewmen who were killed were “murdered” by Israel while the U.S. should have regarded the attack as an act of war and responded appropriately. The White House ordered the cover-up of what had taken place and the fact that the truth about the incident continues to be hidden is a “national disgrace.” In an op-ed Moorer wrote in 2004, he concluded by asking, “Did our government put Israel’s interest ahead of our own? If so, why?”

    As it seems, the Zionist Israel lobby can screw the U.S. all the time, and the political class is feeling well.

  17. Miro23 says:

    Today few Americans even know about the Liberty even though they are now facing an election in which two presidential candidates will seek to outdo each other in expressing their love for Israel. Trump and Biden should instead take pause and first demand as a sine qua non justice for the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty.

    If one of them did – and presented the full story, they would be elected by the US public in a landslide.

    OK, they would probably be blackmailed or assassinated later, but that doesn’t alter the fact that the route to US political power now lies in the public exposition of the USS Liberty and 9/11 treasons.

    • Replies: @Trinity
    , @mocissepvis
  18. What LBJ did was the greatest act of treason in history. Mr Giraldi should petition the White House to build a monument in the Rose Garden to commemorate the attack on the USS Liberty, which should include the names of the dead and wounded.

    Of course, it would be too much to demand a military response such as a devastating retaliatory attack even though that’s what would have happened if it had really been the Egyptians who were meant to be the fall guys and came within a hair’s breadth of being nuked.

    • Agree: Ann Nonny Mouse
  19. Z-man says:
    @tiredofit

    They are Messianic zealots and heretics who think supporting The Zionist Entity will hasten the Second Coming.

  20. Z-man says:

    Hmm, what’s common between the disgrace that was the LBJ administration and today’s opposition to the current POTUS. Yes they are all Democrats.
    You think Trump is pro Israel just wait and see what a Democrat administration would do. We’d be fighting in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Pakistan, Egypt, Libya etc. All for the glory of Zion.

  21. Trinity says:
    @Miro23

    I actually think IF Biden or Trump MADE this story known to the public in front of a national television audience they would have nothing to fear. MILLIONS would view the story and hundreds of millions would know that IF something were to happen, WHY it happened and WHO was responsible. Agree that IF one of these guys were to speak on this story in front of a national television audience, they would indeed win the election in not only a landslide, but a complete shutout victory, carrying every state and D.C.

    • Replies: @DAI. K
  22. Anonymous[661] • Disclaimer says:

    God bless you, Giraldi.

    The USS Liberty, beyond its own grim history, could stand as a painful metaphor for what the Israelis have been doing to our entire country for the last seventy years.

    Kudos for remembering Rachel Corrie. She should be celebrated as a national hero with her own day on the American calendar.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  23. roonaldo says:

    Lessee–sink the Liberty, blame and attack Egypt, depose Nasser and ride gloriously to victory in the ’68 election–that was the plan, anyway. Small potatoes for the psychopath who murdered his predecessor and contrived to invade Viet Nam. Just setting the standard for Tricky Dick, Ray-gun, the Bush Gang, Slick Willie, Braawk I’llbombya, and Orange Julius Caesar to emulate. You see a pattern emerging here Scully?

    • Agree: Truth3
    • LOL: Ann Nonny Mouse
  24. “a ship from a nation not at war with anyone”!!!

    Please I’m a fan of your contribution to UR. (I’m given so much material with which to tease Jewish friends). But letting rhetoric run away diminishes your impact and that’s what you have done in not bothering to notice the Vietnam War.

    Actually I have a more profound misgivings. Am I going to find when I read the rest of the article that you haven’t allowed for the competing pressures LBJ was under. – in which connection I wonder if you have read the relevant volume of Robert Caro’s biography?

  25. Realist says:

    Israel’s War Crimes Have Killed Americans
    If the president loves to honor the military, start with the U.S.S. Liberty

    And don’t forget…the Jew killed Jesus.

    • Agree: Truth3, anarchyst
    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  26. gotmituns says:

    Going back to that time, I remember when that POS, LBJ announced he wasn’t going to seek reelection, we asked, what does that mean, the Commander in Chief is quitting? The job isn’t done.
    After that, everything changed. The idea changed from finding and killing the enemy to doing what had to be done, and hope to make it through and not let your buddies down.

  27. @anon

    Empire ruled by the chosen ones demand FEAR and total OBEDIENCE, has no use for respect, concept is too alien for their beastly sized brains.
    They must satisfy their beastly instincts.
    Been that way since they parted civilized parts of humanity roughly 3000 years ago.
    God Bless FEAR!

  28. @Wizard of Oz

    The US was not technically at war with anyone as it did not declare war on North Vietnam, so my statement is accurate and was set up as a straw man “fiction narrative” first para in any event. Sorry, but there is no justification for what LBJ did – “competing pressures” does not justify the killing of even one US service member.

  29. Truth3 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    OzWiz is a disinfo specialist.

    Israeli Sophist Second Class, with Star of David Medallion and Blue & White Ribbon.

    He does not deserve replies.

  30. 450.org says:

    What LBJ did was the greatest act of treason in history. Mr Giraldi should petition the White House to build a monument in the Rose Garden to commemorate the attack on the USS Liberty, which should include the names of the dead and wounded.

    Are you kidding us? Surely this is sarcasm, right? Donald Trump has said in no uncertain terms he is the King of the Jews. He quite literally is Mossad’s man in the Oval Office. Israel now occupies, lock stock and two smoking barrels, the highest office in the land. You think, considering this, petitioning Donald Trump for this would be prudent let alone effective in any way? Get real. It would be a complete waste of time and Trump and Pompeo, two Israel-Firsters if there ever was one or two, would scoff and laugh at your proposal and at you.

    • Agree: mocissepvis, acementhead
    • Replies: @Tele Castor
  31. 450.org says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    LBJ was a psychopathic bully. He had no problem dropping Napalm on defenseless Vietnamese peasants who theretofore didn’t even know there was a country called America yet when smacked in the face by Israel, he cowers like the coward he was and pisses and shits his pants. Complete capitulation. For what? Has Israel really been an indispensable geo-strategic asset for America? I think the exact opposite is true and it’s time it ended. For good.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  32. A murder of a such scale couldn’t be done without the complicity of very high top politician starting by Lyndon Johnson a crypto jew. Not only that, the media and the political demonstration of jews of all united states in Washington proves that the US are TOTALLY under jewish control. Paragon of freedom is a slave.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  33. G J T says:
    @Omegabooks

    The term Christian Zionist is an oxymoron. I realize this is how most people identify them, but the more we point out that they are not Christians, the faster we can start to dispel this particular instance of Jewish distortion/inversion of the truth.

    Furthermore, Talmudic Jews are not Israelites, they are the Synagogue of Satan, carrying out the latter’s work on this Earth. The true Israelites were Aryan, not Semitic and definitely not inbred mongrels of Khazarian origin.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  34. @tiredofit

    The irony is, that at least according to the Book of Revelation, the Jews are supposed to convert at the end of days. Utterly brainwashed, I think the CZ’s haven’t thought this one through.

    And the reason this is pertinent is, a few years ago to my total amazement, I heard a report that 40% (or thereabouts) of Americans actually believed they were going to see ‘the end of days’ in their lifetimes.

    So much for the power of positive thinking! LOL

  35. bjondo says:

    Replica of USS Liberty should be in front of Yid museum in DC.
    Plaque of personnel killed and wounded by Yid.
    LBJ, first American Yid president.
    His name formed from Texas horseshit.

    5 dancing shlomos

  36. 450.org says:

    Anyone with half a brain knows Epstein was a Mossad asset and Mossad silenced him once they figured he was dead to rights. Considering this obvious fact, Trump, ironically, because he’s also the King of Irony every bit as much as he’s self-admittedly the King of the Jews, retweets this.

    Notice the yellow underlining. He knows Epstein didn’t commit suicide. What he doesn’t retweet but should, is that Epstein was murdered by Mossad. Mossad has access anywhere and everywhere. No target is safe. There are no safe houses or safe locations. If you are targeted for termination, there is no refuge. The CIA is complicit in this as is the FBI and the entire DOJ. What a bunch of capitulating cowards. They’re not men, they’re shiksas. Fawning shiksas. They should be forced to wear skirts in the line of their “duty.”

    View post on imgur.com

    • Replies: @bjondo
  37. As has been said elsewhere on this site, the zionist entity attacking the USS Liberty – can it possibly be any more symbolic ???

    The Jews understand the importance of symbolism, btw, that’s why they’re so gungho for the building of the Third Temple – they know in their hearts, no matter how much they try to deny it, that the destruction of the first two symbolizes /represents their God’s displeasure.

    • Agree: mocissepvis
  38. fnn says:
    @anonymous

    I see what you’re doing there. Here’s James Scott, author of the most well-documented mainstream book on the attack :
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/shortstack/2009/07/liberty_authors_response.html?sid=ST2009071501841

    One reader wrote that there are “thousands of cases of friendly fire” yet the Liberty always seems to rise to the top. I think one of the reasons it does is the circumstances of the attack never fit the mold of a typical friendly fire incident. Most such assaults are over in seconds, maybe minutes, and occur at night, in inclement weather and otherwise poor conditions. In contrast, the attack on the Liberty lasted approximately an hour and happened on a clear and sunny afternoon. The attack was exceedingly brutal, leaving 821 shell holes in the ship in addition to a 39-foot torpedo hole. Those facts have made it hard – both in 1967 and today – for many to believe it could have been simply friendly fire.

    More importantly, as we now know from declassified Israeli documents, some Israeli personnel in fact knew the Liberty was an American ship. Early in the attack an Israeli pilot radioed in the Liberty’s hull number, and that information was passed to the Israeli Navy. Others inside Israel’s chain of command also later testified that they were aware of the ship’s identity before the torpedo strike. This is unfortunate, because had Israel stopped the attack at that point more than two dozen lives would have been saved. Based on this information, Israel’s ambassador to the United States in 1967, Avraham Harman, insisted that some of the attackers be prosecuted and that American journalists be invited to cover the trial, which unfortunately never happened.

    Plus with all those antennas sticking out in every direction it could hardly have been mistaken for a horse carrier like the Israelis claimed.

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @chris
  39. anarchyst says:

    Who controls the media?
    8 June, 2017 was the fiftieth anniversary of the deliberate attack upon the USS Liberty (GTR-5).Normally, on the fiftieth anniversary of any notable event in history, there is at least a mention of it in the mainstream media. Not so for the USS Liberty (GTR-5).
    This, in itself is telling.
    The USS Liberty was in international waters, clearly marked and identified by the Israelis as an American ship.
    Lyndon Johnson initially refused help for the stricken ship as he did not want to embarrass an ally (Israel). The plan, all along was for Israel to attack the ship, leaving no survivors, and then to blame it on Egypt, thereby pulling America into a middle east war on the side of the Israelis. A brave sailor was able to reconnect an antenna, under fire, to get the message out that they were being attacked. Initially Lyndon Johnson refused to send help, but was forced to when the fleet got the distress call. All one has to do is look at the Lavon affair, among others, in which Israel always gets others to do its dirty work for them.
    The subsequent investigation was whitewashed by none other than Admiral John S McCain (yes, John McCain’s daddy) with the captain of the ship being awarded the Medal of Honor not at the White House (which is protocol), but at an obscure Naval base.
    The USS Liberty (GTR-5) sailors were scattered throughout the Navy and warned not to discuss the “incident” (actually an act of war) under pain of courts-martial.
    The way the crew of the USS Liberty (GTR-5) was treated still stinks to this day.
    The USS Liberty (GTR-5) is the most decorated ship in Naval history.
    If I had my way, Israel would have been turned into a glass parking lot on 9 June, 1967.

  40. Kirt says:

    No administration is less likely than the current one to do anything about the Liberty or other Israeli aggressions. We’ll be lucky if Trump doesn’t award the Medal of Freedom to any Israeli pilots involved in the attack.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy, vot tak
    • Replies: @Rurik
  41. @450.org

    They might not laugh if the petition received over a million signatures.

    • Replies: @boomerdoomer
  42. mcohen says:

    But why phillip ,why,did they attack the ship.Every year you write a piece but you never question Israels motive

    Why Phillip why?????

    Well here is the truth you avoid

    https://theintercept.com/2017/06/06/fifty-years-later-nsa-keeps-details-of-israels-uss-liberty-attack-secret/

    • Replies: @bjondo
    , @vot tak
  43. fnn says:
    @fnn

    More details on the ludicrous idea that Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian horse carrier:
    https://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-walsh.html

    Since 1967, Israeli spoksmen have insisted the Israeli pilots had confused the Liberty with the El Quseir , a 1920s-vintage Egyptian horse cavalry transport said to have been in the area. 24 Judge Cristol accepts this. Those same inexperienced airmen unable to notice the ship’s flag and unique hull markings, he maintains, easily could have mistaken the Liberty for the Egyptian transport. Indeed, before the attack, Israeli headquarters had wrongly reported that some “enemy vessel” was shelling the coast from near the Liberty ‘s position. 25 To illustrate a resemblance, Cristol pairs the ships in silhouette drawings. He shows them, however, as the same size. (In fact, the El Quesir ‘s length was 275 feet to the Liberty ‘s 455.) 26 Judge Cristol’s text notes the actual difference, but opines that in the heat of battle such mistakes are plausible.

    The Liberty ‘s crewmen deem insulting the notion that arguably the world’s most electronically advanced ship could be confused with one of its most pedestrian vessels. In this, they join Dean Rusk, Clark Clifford, and other senior U.S. officials, as well as author and historian James Bamford, whose NSA history, Body of Secrets , devotes a chapter to the Liberty . 27

    Principally, the El Quseir lacked the U.S. ship’s unique add-ons, which included, both topside, an 18-foot-wide satellite dish nearly as tall as the smokestack and a wading pool-sized microwave dish. The ship bristled, as well, with video capture antennae and other exotica found on no other vessel in the world, much less decrepit Arab transport ships. 28 Ancillary reasons the “deliberate school” rejects Judge Cristol’s El Quseir defense are as follows:

    The Egyptian craft

    Flew colors markedly dissimilar to the U.S. flag
    Was one-quarter of the Liberty ‘s tonnage and just nearly half her length
    Had been out of service for many months
    Was waiting to be scrapped in Alexandria
    Was illustrated—along with the Liberty —in Jane’s Fighting Ships , to which Israel had access 29
    In addition, the Egyptian Naval Attache’s office in Washington says El Quseir was painted silver, not the Liberty ‘s battleship grey. 30 It is highly unlikely, NSA officials on board and off explain, that Israel’s hypervigilant spy agencies would be unacquainted with these facts. 31 This suggests a question: why assault so concertedly an unthreatening old Egyptian transport (not to say an unarmed U.S. Navy ship) when she could be escorted to Haifa as a war prize (and the U.S. ship signaled to quit the area)?

    • Replies: @Alden
  44. @Philip Giraldi

    Hey Phil!

    You and I are about the same age. In 1967, was a sophomore in High School.

    As a teenage man, & having entered Fort Polk as Freshmeat (August 1970, I still knew nothing about the barbaric Israeli attack on the USS Liberty. Reckon you also were in the dark on this murder & wounding of American sailors.

    Upon reading your article, I google searched and found the Foreign Policy Journal article, July 2017, linked down below, titled “Another Media coverup.”🕎

    Reported is “a search of NYT srchives reveals only 2 brief entries from the topic “USS Liberty.”

    https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2017/07/17/another-media-cover-up-israels-attack-on-the-uss-liberty/

    Interesting how triumphant 1967 Israelis did not want to shove their evil deed into Anerican dumb goyin faces. NYT & other “Prestige Press” faculties complied.
    A question, Philip. Did you know about the Israeli murder in the Med when it happened? Thanks very much.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  45. @fayez chergui

    … and that’s why the USA is now known internationally as ‘The Land of the fee and the home of the slave’

  46. bjondo says:
    @450.org

    The CIA is complicit in this as is the FBI and the entire DOJ. What a bunch of capitulating cowards. They’re not men, they’re shiksas. Fawning shiksas. They should be forced to wear skirts in the line of their “duty.”

    Agree.

    What is not shown below yellow line: Trump gets minimum
    68% in Nov 2020.

    5 dancing shlomos

  47. Thekid says:

    And yet, even today, Americans have no problem going to war with Arab nations in the ME at the behest of Israel. Amazing.

  48. @Anon

    What is with the US Navy’s perpetual devotion to Israel?

  49. Trinity says:

    White House Phone Number (202) 456-1111

    Maybe people should call and remind them about the upcoming anniversary of the attack on the USS Liberty.

  50. anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:

    America sold its soul a long, long time BEFORE the USS Liberty ever left drydock.

    Read what Congressman Louis T McFadden, Chairman of the House committee on banking and currency had to say about the Federal Reserve Act of 1913…

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/mcfadden.htm

    “Congressman McFadden, born in the heartland of America, a true product of its original and unadulterated self, and because of that heritage he could do no else but battle for the land which he loved. And battle he did. Armed with the courage of his convictions and the certitude of his cause he hurled his thundering charges against those who were plundering America and drenching the world in blood with their insane greed. McFadden refused obeissance to the high priests of Mammon, the International Bankers, for whom he reserved the full force of his attacks. The enormity of his revealments against the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks will stagger the credibility of the reader.”

    Your country was sold out by its “elected” representatives a long, long time ago.

    You now live in a time foretold by Thomas Jefferson:

    “I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”

    The USS Liberty incident clearly demonstrates who is in control of your country….

    and it ain’t YOU.

  51. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck – I was a junior in college when the Liberty was attacked but cannot recall any press coverage of it at the time. Twelve months later I was in basic training (Army) and can’t recall it being mentioned then either!

  52. @Philip Giraldi

    Hey Phil!

    Fyi, 1988, at a U. of Scranton bookstore end of Semester “Fire Sale,” I bought and read Captain Janes Ennes’s book on Israel’s USS Liberty attack. Brand new, the sale cost was $2.00.

    While teaching an evening course on “The Nuclear Age” at the U’s Dexter Hanley College, & on the school’s letterhead, I wrote a complimentary letter to James Ennes.

    Most graciously, he mailed a note back and addressed me as “Professor Orloski.”😳 James made gallows-light about his book having bottomed out with a cost of $2.00.

    As you might know my divorced situation, I cannot get access to Captain Ennes’s note which I could photograph & email to you for review.

    Thanks for replying, Phil, and doubtless, we were part of the Great USS Liberty Silenced Majority.🕎

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  53. jsinton says:

    I think the simple explanation is the most likely one. It was the middle of the Six Day War. Egypt was the most important strategic country in North Africa. It was allied with the Russians and at war with Israel. LBJ wanted the Russians out of Africa. Israel had already destroyed the Egyptian Air Force on the ground. LBJ wanted to join the Six Day War, but had no reasonable pretext. So LBJ created a false flag event to blame the Egyptians, enter the war, and kick the Russians out. The only problem was the Israelis failed to sink the Liberty and left too many survivors to tell the story. It then became a damage control operation and cover up.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rich
  54. Sokrates says:
    @Anon

    Ι agree he was not a SEAL

    However for sure, DeSantis is a pussy and a hooker for the terrorist nest, so called israel

  55. The attack on the USS Liberty was a joint attack by Israel and the ZUS government led by LBJ and the zionist kabal and the torpedo that hit the Liberty was fired by the submarine the USS Amberjack, check these books, Blood in the Water by Joan Mellen and Remember the Liberty by Philip Nelson, both can be had on amazon.

    Also there was the joint attack on the WTC that killed some 3000 Americans, this attack was also a joint attack by Israel and the ZUS government and every thinking American knows it!

    Zionist have had America by the throat since they laid their privately owned FED and IRS on the people of America in 1913.

    A time comes when silence is betrayal- Martin Luther King

    Censorship is communism!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rurik
  56. The attack on the Liberty was a joint US/Israeli false flag. As these operations go, it was quite a bit less deadly than the US/Israeli attack on 9/11. It’s noteworthy that Jews never die in these operations.

  57. Rurik says:
    @Kirt

    We’ll be lucky if Trump doesn’t award the Medal of Freedom to any Israeli pilots involved in the attack.

    While I agree with this part,

    No administration is less likely than the current one to do anything about the Liberty or other Israeli aggressions

    You’re forgetting that Woodrow Wilson took America into a catastrophic war on behalf of an (aspirational at the time) Israel. FDR followed Wilson’s lead when he sent millions to their deaths. Resulting in the true holocaust of all holocausts, the immolation of Europe’s cities, and rape and slaughter and enslavement of some 100 million+ Christians.

    And *ALL* of it, in slavish service to Jewish bankster Zionist$ who hold the purse strings for these regimes.

    In modern times, George H Bush Sr. did this

    (with untold scores of thousands of innocents butchered) to serve the Jewish supremacist scum he and his sons have sold their souls to.

    Obama destroyed several nations, and caused the slaughter of God knows how many.

    Dubya is an outlier, however. And deserves special recognition for his role in betraying America, its citizens, and every known tenet of decency or honor going back to the beginning of time.

    He not only participated in a murderous false flag attack against the people of the nation he swore an oath to protect, (to bring on the Eternal Wars for Israel), but his singular treachery was also intended to wipe out American’s Constitutional rights.

    So we should try to keep things in perspective.

    Trump sucks, but Biden swallows.

  58. As soon as I eyed the subtext under your heading, I felt that I ought to say: you got have a pair of big cajones to investigate USS Liberty … do you really think that the clown-in-chief has what it would take to scrutinize his masters?

  59. @Realist

    At last an honest Jew. You know, you could make a good provocateur. Have you every considered it? Our great nation was built on anti-Semitism. Without it and people like you we are nothing.

    • Replies: @Realist
  60. aandrews says:

    And the nation responsible in 1967 has *direct* control of the White House in 2020. Think about that.

    Notice the order of the flags.

  61. Rurik says:
    @jsinton

    So LBJ created a false flag event to blame the Egyptians, enter the war, and kick the Russians out.

    Is this like how it was the ‘Anglos’ who did 9/11?

    And how the world wars were really fought for the Anglos?
    ..

    How well have the Anglos fared following all these World Wars and false flag acts of terror and Eternal Wars?

    Sure, they’re being replaced in their ancient homelands, (just like the Palestinians), but at least they get to see their culture descend into a sewer, and their schoolgirls gang-raped wholesale by stone age orcs.

    Who wouldn’t perpetrate a false flag attack on their own people in order to accomplish that?

    It’s a no-brainer.

    • Replies: @jsinton
    , @Alden
  62. Realist says:
    @ploni almoni

    It was a facetious remark.

  63. Miro23 says:

    I am, of course, referring to the Israeli attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, which took place on June 8, 1967, nearly 53 years ago. The anniversary of the attack is coming up in a month and the remaining officers and crew will hold a ceremony at the Navy memorial in Washington D.C. to honor the memory of their thirty-four shipmates killed and the 172 who were wounded.

    This is a ceremony for the public to attend on June 8th – and pay respects to these officers and crewmen.

    The government won’t do it but the US people can.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  64. @450.org

    You are calumnying a great president. LBJ knew and agreed to what was done to the Liberty so that instead of Israelis dying in the war against Egypt, it would be Americans dying. Israeli lives are precious whereas Americans are mere cattle, as it says in the great Talmud. They could at least earn some merit by being of use in G-d’s plan. Everything would have worked beautifully. The ship would have sunk without a single survivor. Egypt would be blamed, America would attack Egypt and bring it the blessings of democracy. Not a single Israeli more would have died.

    It is not LBJ’s fault it did not work. He did his level best. What bungled it was those Russians. A Soviet “fishing trawler,” you know, a spy ship, showed up to spy on what was happening to the American spy ship, instead of minding their own business. And the Israelis had to stop the mitzvah they were doing on the Liberty. The Israelis could not do to the Soviet trawler what they did to the Americans, now could they? There was no agreement with the Soviets. Bad planning. This was not thought out in advance. But the Russians got theirs when they shot down the Malaysian airliner in Ukraine, didn’t they? That will show them. Wise guys.

    Wasn’t an Israeli pilot who refused to attack the American ship court-martialed? At least he got some prison time. Maybe the Liberty survivors can give him a pension. They owe him.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  65. Rurik says:

    And the actual rot really began with the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty, when patriotic Americans died at the whim of a feckless president who loved a foreign country more than his own. One hopes he is rotting in hell.

    Well Mr. G., not to split hairs, but the rot began on December 24, 1913.

    The ultimate day of infamy, which has set the entire course of our collective destinies ever since.

    Today few Americans even know about the Liberty even though they are now facing an election in which two presidential candidates will seek to outdo each other in expressing their love for Israel.

    Just as few Americans know of the murderous, unspeakable perfidy on 9/11.

    Trump and Biden should instead take pause and first demand as a sine qua non justice for the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty.

    Should yes, but won’t.

    What I wonder now, is whom is Biden going to select..

    Someone even more abased in their treasonous fealty to Zion? (if that’s even possible)

    Or someone like Tulsi?

  66. Anonymous[267] • Disclaimer says:
    @Desert Fox

    We are NOT headed towards communism, or socialism, or fascism….

    know your destiny….

    the world’s oldest economic and social order is the NEW WORLD ORDER…

    FEUDALISM.

    Got burlap ?

  67. Alfred says:
    @Paul

    Another is that Israel did not want to be monitored as it murdered captured Egyptian troops it did not know what with to do

    That is correct. All Egyptians who had surrendered were murdered. A whole army disappeared. There was no handover of prisoners afterwards.

    This ship was attacked because the Israelis wanted to be able to claim that the Egyptians sank it and to bring the Americans into the fight on their side.

    The Blitzkrieg advance of the Israelis depended on not being obliged to take any prisoners. Obviously, the Egyptian government did not complain or its own people would have ousted them. As it is, Nasser died soon after.

    However, things have changed massively. 1967 was ancient history. Now, the Israelis are afraid of being invaded from Lebanon.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  68. tomo says:

    Ever since UNZ was voted one of the most influential news sites a few weeks ago – it’s been impossible to post these articles on Facebook
    I can’t even send them as a personal message in Facebook

    It’s the badge of honor of course – I email these articles to friends instead

    • Replies: @tomo
  69. jsinton says:
    @Rurik

    You make the mistake of somehow thinking the US and Israel are separate entities, or the Jews “control the world”. It’s the Anglo/Zionist Empire. They all have skin the game. They’re all in bed together.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  70. tomo says:
    @tomo

    I found a way around it – I posted it as a screenshot

  71. Rich says:
    @jsinton

    Your idea is the best explanation for this dastardly attack I’ve seen. The idea that the US would have reported the murder of Egyptian POWs is ludicrous. The men on the Liberty who would have been aware of such killings (if indeed they’d happened) would have been obligated to keep them secret anyway. LBJ was among America’s worst presidents and his ability to prevent any assistance to a US ship under attack shows this was a planned mission.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  72. Rurik says:
    @Desert Fox

    Zionist have had America by the throat since they laid their privately owned FED and IRS on the people of America in 1913.

    very true

    A time comes when silence is betrayal- Martin Luther King

    King was a rabid supporter of Israel and Jewish supremacism

    MLK: “When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You’re talking anti-Semitism.”

    more

    https://lidblog.com/dr-king-was-zionist/

    Leftists are all in bed with Zionists, because even as they have to look the other way vis-a-vis the Palestinians and the Eternal Wars, they’re both so consumed with ‘killing whitey’, that they’re more than willing to make common cause.

    I suspect CAIR will soon merge with ADL/AIPAC to this uniform agenda.

    Ilhan Omar electrified the Deplorables and ‘Irredeemables’ when she went after zio-con Elliot Abrams on television. But I’m ‘shocked, shocked’ to see she’s since morphed into a good little zio-con herself.

    “the people of Syria revolted against Assad’s repressive dictatorship 8 years ago today, demanding a more just and free government. Peace loving people around the world stand in solidarity with them in this struggle.”

    ahh, no daylight between Omar and AIPAC on this one. She’s in bed with Sheldon Adelson and William Kristol and Max Boot, all.

    One can only imagine what she’d demand if that dastardly Assad ‘uses chemical weapons against his people’ again.

    They all figure out that they’re all in the same boat together, in their unhinged, demented hatred for whitey. AIPAC, CAIR, MLK, Omar, and all the rest. They’ll all toss the Palestinians and fellow Muslims and fellow POC under the bus, in the greater struggle to ‘kill whitey’.

    Zionism is a great and noble struggle, MLK will tell you, because he loves the dignity of the individual as his holiest of sacraments. Only that’s all a rotten lie, and he’d toss certain POC under the bus, because what he really loved was himself, (and white prostitutes)

    Just as Omar will toss Syrians under the bus, because what she’s really motivated by is her personal ambitions and her unhinged hatred for ‘whitey’, and so if making common cause with Zion, will help accomplish that, then fuck the Syrian people. Huh Ilhan?

    I’ve been watching this unholy confederation of the FBI and radical Islam and Big Tech with radical homosexuals and radical feminists and black nationalists and Hispanic supremacists, et al, for quite some time now, and it’s fascinating to see how these disparate and seemingly mutually exclusive peoples, will come together as one, to condemn ‘those evil Nazis in Charlottesville! – who think they can peacefully protest the destruction of their (evil, white) heritage!!!’

    There is a reason Donald Trump’s poll numbers never get too low, and that’s due to the percentage of the electorate that see, all too clear- the unhinged hatred that all these groups agree on. Muslim and homos will eagerly get into bed together. Just as Omar and the neocons.

    And all of them motivated by one, unspoken (and genocidal to the core) agenda.

    It is what I call, ‘The Agenda’, and if serving Jewish supremacy, means that Muslims and black civil rights leaders and assorted butt-hurts of every stripe, have to toss their own on the sacrificial pyres, in order to finally and at long last; ‘kill whitey’, then they’ll collectively get on their knees and unzip Bibi’s fly…

    I once heard “rev’ Jackson call ‘the Jews ‘our allies’. That was meant to imply that there’s a war on, and that unsavory allies are sometimes necessary in order to win a wider war. Once whitey is has an iron, (zio/POC) boot on his neck, then they’ll worry about what to do with each other.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  73. @Rich

    What other rubbish to suppose Johnsonwould seek a war in the Middle East (and no doubt spreading) woth the USSR while he was hopelessly bogged down in Vietnam doesn’t deserve a moment’s belief.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @acementhead
  74. KA says:
    @anon

    USS Liberty is in some way old news . But what is notable is that Israel again did same thing by killing a lot of Russian air passengers over Syria . This was again the same play book – to blame the opposite power -in this case Syria . Russia did nothing .

  75. Rurik says:
    @jsinton

    You make the mistake of somehow thinking the US and Israel are separate entities, or the Jews “control the world”. It’s the Anglo/Zionist Empire. They all have skin the game. They’re all in bed together.

    as luck would have it, we have a perfect historical example

    Bolshevik Russia, (or even Weimar Germany)

    There were, no doubt a lot of ethnic Russians (and even Georgians) involved with the cruel Bolshevik enslavement of Russia and beyond. Just as no doubt the J-supremacists running Weimar Germany required a lot of ethnic Germans as apparatchiks.

    So too today, England has to have its Tony Bliars and Boris Johnsons at the helm. But the idea that the 20th and 21st centuries’ horrors and genocides and mass-looting of the global economy and the Eternal Wars, benefit the average Brit or Anglo American, is beyond ludicrous.

    People like to pretend that it’s Joe Sixpack or Anglo Bob who’s causing all the wars and ‘climate change’ and all the ‘racism’ the world over as they run Goldman Sachs to loot the planet, because of The Agenda, but that doesn’t make that true.

    Most Anglos in America have been marginalized and demonized. Even the church George Washington attended has taken down a plaque in his honor, because they’re ashamed of his ‘racism’.

    Agenda, agenda, agenda….

    How did it benefit the men on the Liberty, (most of whom were no doubt of Anglo heritage) to die on that day?

    Does it benefit the Anglo world in any way to die in Eternal Wars for Israel?

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  76. aandrews says:


    An era of ‘philo-Semitism’? The US will push countries to love their Jews more, anti-Semitism monitor says
    May 4, 2020 5:20 pm
    Elan Carr

    WASHINGTON (JTA) — Elan Carr, the State Department’s anti-Semitism monitor, wants to get people in other countries to love their Jews more as a means of countering anti-Semitism.

    In a press call Monday to mark Jewish American Heritage Month, Carr outlined steps the United States was taking worldwide to advocate for defending Jews as violent anti-Semitism spikes, including security measures, prosecuting hate crimes and condemning anti-Semitic speech.

    “In addition to all of those important defense measures, we are determined also to work with our allies in developing and driving Philo-Semitic narratives for their country, in the hope that we can reach the day when every society dedicates itself, as the United States has, to embrace and to treasure its Jewish community,” he said.

    He did not outline what shape the philo-Semitic narratives would take, or how the State Department would drive them.

    […]

    • Replies: @anon
  77. TGD says:

    LBJ was the most corrupt president in US history. He was also a megalomaniac, exhibitionist (he was in the habit of pissing off the side of his boat on the Pedernales River in full view of his guests and defecating in a White House bathroom with the door wide open to his staff), a vulgarian, a crook, an assassin, a liar (as with the “Gulf of Tonkin” incident) and a murderer.

    The expose, “The Men Who Killed Kennedy, Part 9,” which was about LBJ’s involvement in the assassination of JFK, originally produced by the “History Channel,” may or may not still be available on You Tube.

    • Agree: aandrews
    • Replies: @acementhead
  78. bjondo says:
    @mcohen

    Yid/hasbarat never listens, never hears, only gives BS.

    From part of a comment at link:

    Writer Miriam Pensack has outed herself as a Zionist/Hasbara operative. No serious journalist would skew the facts so badly to whitewash yet another merciless attack by Israel against US interests. The writer, to her discredit, positions dubious sources of information above well established insiders and authors. #Shameful Miriam Pensack has just sunk her own ship. I

    Astonishingly, the article omits any mention of President Johnson’s involvement – it was he who recalled the American rescue fighters — twice — exposing his preference of treason over damaging Israel’s reputation.

    Wikipedia has a very sad footnote about the ultimate fate of the ship after Israel’s punishing assault: “Damaged beyond economical repair by Israeli attack in June 1967 and subsequently sold for scrap 1973″

    #KeepFightingForTruth #USSLiberty

    5 dancing shlomos

  79. This article prompted me to look for Mathilde Krim at wikileaks. Wikileaks once again proved how biased it is as there is no mention of any of the negative in her entry. I suppose that it’s possible that the powers that be think that lying and infidelity are positives.

    • Replies: @boomerdoomer
  80. @Rurik

    I am just saying that MLK’s statment about silence in the presence of lies is betrayal is true, and the silence on the attack on the USS Liberty and the attack on the WTC is betrayal.

    The MSM and the ZUS government are under communist aka zionist control.

    • Agree: Rurik
  81. @Tele Castor

    Even with 100 million signatures or more, they will still laugh as they know that they call the shots.

  82. @Rurik

    Rurik said to Phil Giraldi: “Just as few Americans know of the murderous, unspeakable perfidy on 9/11.”

    Re; above, Trump knows.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  83. FLgeezer says:
    @Rurik

    Superb Rurik, as usual.

    • Thanks: Rurik
  84. There is a development in the Golan named “Trump Heights.” Trump himself dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. Mr. Giraldi, with all due respect, this president, like most of them all, is a liar and a fraud. Trump will NEVER bring justice to the Liberty vets.

    I was a junior officer in the Marine Corps during the Vietnam war. I can tell you from experience that most field grade and flag staff line officers don’t give a rats ass about enlisted personnel. The coverup of the Liberty attack was proof of the aforementioned and an insult to everyone who has ever been in the military. Any parent who would encourage their child to join the service should jhave their head examined!

    • Agree: Moi, Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @acementhead
  85. @Omegabooks

    And Christian Zionists couldn’t care less. I hope I am wrong about this, though.

    Those ignoramuses have their empty heads so far up their fat asses that they couldn’t even begin to understand the subject, let alone offer an informed opinion on it.

    Thank God that their “COVID Cowardice” is now destroying their faux churches.

  86. @tiredofit

    Major funding for the criminal State is through many of the Christian churches in America.They have bought into the Hogwash of ” Gods Chosen”.

    In their zoological ignorance of Scripture they blaspheme the very Gospel they claim is the center of their faith by choosing the Pharisees and their legalistic Mosaic Law doctrines over the New Covenant which makes the followers of Christ “God’s Chosen.”

  87. @boomerdoomer

    My apologies: meant wikimedia… Big difference…

  88. @Miro23

    Trump and Biden should instead take pause and first demand as a sine qua non justice for the survivors of the U.S.S. Liberty.

    If one of them did – and presented the full story, they would be elected by the US public in a landslide.

    Alas, doubtful. “Pig ignorance” is the dominant attribute of the majority of American votards, not the critical thought, historical literacy, or introspection characteristic of the demographic that gathers and debates here.

    Duh masses have been for far too long lobotomized and brainwashed by government indoctrination centers (a.k.a. publik skoolz), the Lying Scum Media, and their faux, Zionism-infected “churches” to be able to accept the truth about this incident, which would tear to shreds everything they have ever been indoctrinated into believing. The shock to their fragile psyches would probably be fatal.

    I hope I’m dead wrong, but observation of the world around me doesn’t give me fuel for optimism.

    • Replies: @Alden
  89. @Philip Giraldi

    I knew a man who said that he was in port in Italy when the USS Liberty was towed in, and he said that it was no secret among the sailors what happened. At least he was no fan of Israel.

  90. Ron Desantis was not a SEAL. He was a judge advocate for one of the special warfare teams.

  91. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    the murderous, unspeakable perfidy on 9/11.”

    Re; above, Trump knows

    .
    I ran out of ‘Agree’s

    Agree

    (so does Biden ; )

  92. RVBlake says:
    @ploni almoni

    The LIBERTY survivors owe no one anything.

  93. Alden says:
    @Paul

    Maybe Israel did it to show the world that Israel rules America and therefore in 1967 the non communist world.

    LBJ was a criminal from his first political run and his father the state representative probably was too. Even if LBJ had nothing to do with JFK’s murder, he was involved in many unethical and criminal activities.

  94. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    As always, love your posts.,

    • Thanks: Rurik
  95. Moi says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    PG,

    I have enormous respect for you, but let’s not forget we go murdering people round the world all the time. E.g. Gen. Soleimani

  96. Truth3 says:

    If I were President… I would…

    1. Declare June 8 a National Day of Taking Back Our Country, call it Liberty Day.

    2. Order Treasury Department to refuse all Congressional approved payments to Israel.

    3. Order compliance with the Symington Amendment to stop any payments to Israel.

    4. Order the clawback of every penny sent to Israel since June 8, 1967.

    5. Order the Great Seal of the US to be redesigned to take the Jew Star of Stars out of it.

    6. Fire every dual-citizen, regardless of who, in the employ of the Federal Government.

    7. As CIC recall 90% of overseas based US Military personnel, post them on our borders.

    8. Refuse to spend 50% of funds allocated by Congress to the US Military.

    9. Arrest State Governors & Officials that order via Emergency Acts that violate the USC.

    Then, I would roll up my sleeves nd really get to work.

  97. Poco says:
    @Z-man

    I am so sick to death of the apocalyptic freaks of every stripe.

  98. Poco says:
    @04398436986

    There’s some small chance that Syrians haven’t purchased and infiltrated the Russian government and media.
    No such chance with jews and the US.

  99. @Rurik

    Query whether the corpulent chocolate chick, the Spellman alum, is sufficiently abased in fealty to Zion?

  100. Ahoy says:

    You threw a stone in a still lake Dr. Giraldi. I hope strong waves arrive at the shores to wake up Americans. We owe you sir.

    Since that ominous day, the back knifing of this great nation by its so called allies (Jews) has picked up strength and veracity by throwing in the fight their proxies also.

    If the perpetrators of these heinous crimes within the U.S. are not sent to the gallows America’s fate is sealed.

    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @vot tak
  101. Alden says:
    @fnn

    Within minutes of noticing the Israeli insignia on the planes the Liberty hoisted the biggest US flags they had.

    What’s worse is what American Jews have done to American Whites since 1953 with lawfare.

    • Agree: Trinity, anarchyst
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  102. @Z-man

    They are Messianic zealots and heretics who think supporting The Zionist Entity will hasten the Second Coming.

    And they aren’t in charge of ME policy, or the money behind the corruption of our politicians and political system.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  103. Alden says:
    @mocissepvis

    You’re a Jew aren’t you? I can tell by your contempt for us goyim.

    • Replies: @mocissepvis
  104. MEexpert says:

    Compare the US response to the attack on USS Liberty with President Trump’s response (Tweet) to a little harrassment by Iranian gun boats of the US Navy ship in Persian gulf.

    • Replies: @anon
  105. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @aandrews

    This is why this country needs to go the way Moorish Spain went .

  106. 9593 says:

    Lately there is the whacky-doodle notion that LBJ conspired with Israel to create a causus belli with the sacrifice of an American navy vessel. That, to get on the ground in the 1967 war with US troops. Holy Cow! Such nonsense. But it is a way to put the USS Liberty debate on the level of flying saucers and draw in the crazies. So the affair becomes an eye-roller. The diversion comes from the book, “Blood in the Water”, by Joan Mellen, of Temple University, retired.

    http://joanmellen.com/wordpress/

    She Joins A. Jay Cristol in taking one for the team in reputational risk, except to be defended by a phalanx of syncophants. I’m surprised that Richard Falk was taken in by this nonsense.

    • Troll: the grand wazoo
    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @fritter
  107. Trinity says:

    Dubya would tell us that the idea that Israel purposely attacked the USS Liberty is a “conspiracy theory” and now is not the time for the people to listen to “conspiracy theories.”

    I was a month shy of six years old when this happened, but if we lived in a HEALTHY NATION, I should have learned about this story back in the Seventies after I was a little older. This story should have been as commonly known by the average American as the JFK assassination, D-Day, or Pearl Harbor, (not saying that we know the truth about any of these events, we just receive the Jewish lies on them as well, but at least they are talked about.) Instead I wasn’t even aware of this story until I was in my late 40’s. Earlier I claimed that probably 20% of Americans knew about this story, I think even that is much too high, probably less than 10% of our population have even heard of this story. Given we have been living in the internet age for two decades and counting, for Americans to be that ignorant of what is going on around them is depressing. People just don’t give a damn. Trump coined the phrase “fake news,” time to expose some big time “fake news.”

  108. @tiredofit

    Major funding for the criminal State is through many of the Christian churches in America.They have bought into the Hogwash of ” Gods Chosen”.

    I doubt that Christian churches of any sort are providing a major part of the funding for Israel. They aren’t the money or power behind the support of Israel. These people lose on every other issue besides Israel, so they are not the power behind the throne. They can’t even keep a plaque of the Ten Commandments on a courthouse in rural Alabama, or a statue of Satan off the grounds of a Midwestern statehouse, and they are always routed on prayer in schools and abortion, which are issues where have enough public support that they should be formidable if they were at all influential. But they are routinely routed. Do they lose on every issue other than the support of Israel on purpose? If so, they are anti-Christians posing as Christians, which they might as well be.

    • Agree: ivan
  109. @ChuckOrloski

    “Silenced majority.”
    haha

    Concluding emoji suggests you are all for ‘shedding a little light’ (as little as possible) on the subject.

    This morning heard Chuck Schumer invoke St. Louis of Brandeis, “Sunlight is the best disinfectant.”

    Tell me, O Guardian of Israel, which is safer: injecting Lysol or raising the issue of Israel’s crimes against the American people, their military personnel and their ships?

  110. The attack against the LIBERTY was the Jews’ primary motive for launching the Six Day War. Although important, Israel’s territorial gains were only secondary in weight. Four years earlier, the elderly Bernard Baruch (Second King of the Jews) and his XO David Ben Gurion had so smoothly masterminded the Dallas Jack Whack –that all-time biggest kosher coup d’etat– that their successors felt the need to drop their calling card on the burning deck of the U.S. warship so as to enlighten the Wall Street “White Shoes”, the Pentagon br-asshats and the kept clowns of Congress as to who was now running the show. The complete success of this _coup de main_ achieved its intended goal of unique global prestige for the Jew State, which in terms of raw power continues to this day, however shakily and with the world situation complicated by the latest huge experiment in biological warfare. “Juflu”?

    Jumping ahead to the present campaign charade, JAR [JewAmerican Regime; alt.= JAPE for “Planetary Empire”] now offers the still leaderless flock of us the Am pop the usual so-called “choice” of which wretched jootool we wish to vote against. T-Rump or Biden? Demublican or Republocrat?

    34 days remain from this 202nd birthday of the great but dangerous Karl Marx until the 53rd anniversary of the still bleeding wound against the U.S. Navy. The objective mind will compare the number of the 34 sailors slain back then with the some 550 children murdered by essentially the same hand, along with ~one and a half thousand of their kith & kin (helpless prisoners all) during GM’14 (Gaza Massacre).

    Ho Chi Minh and Mao Zedong are examples of successful national revolutionary leaders in our time. President Andrés Manuel López Obrador is a living bright light from the South (touch wood), as are Presidents Nicolás Maduro, Bashar al-Assad and Kim Jong-un.

    Will our honorable NAGIM or Normal, Alias “Gentile”, IMmensity at last begin to stir ourselves for the liberation of our HuRa? Will we learn from the ghosts of Huey Long, of the Three Kennedys, Malcolm X, MLK, David Koresh, the OKC kindergarten, Princess Diana, Gary Webb (better dead than read, in the bosses’ judgment), of Michael Hastings and of so many others how best to overthrow the despotism of the bloody cultists?

  111. Sigheil says:

    Americans are delusional and morons thinking that their political leaders will put America first and above jewish interests, when all the american political class is in cahoots with the jews that are the masters in the world, through the deep state that they control and that has its tentacles all around the globe. Americans have been hopelessly brainwashed by their jewish controlled MSM and all of them love their jewish masters.

  112. geokat62 says:

    Against the backdrop of the massacre of the USS Liberty, puppet Trumpstein has authorized his anti-semitism tsar to ensure countries to “love their Jews more.”

    You can’t make this sh*t up!

    US will push countries to love their Jews more, anti-Semitism monitor says: Elan Carr says Washington will work with allies on ‘developing and driving Philo-Semitic narratives for their country’

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-will-push-countries-to-love-their-jews-more-anti-semitism-monitor-says/

    Adam Green of Know More News covers this late breaking news story:

    Philo-Semitism Propaganda & Indoctrination

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Wally
    , @geokat62
  113. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    By way of follow-up to my previous post:

    “In addition to all of those important defense measures, we are determined also to work with our allies in developing and driving Philo-Semitic narratives for their country, in the hope that we can reach the day when every society dedicates itself, as the United States has, to embrace and to treasure its Jewish community.” – Elan Carr, the State Department’s anti-Semitism monitor

    https://www.jta.org/quick-reads/an-era-of-philo-semitism-the-us-will-push-countries-to-love-their-jews-more-anti-semitism-monitor-says

    • Thanks: Oscar Peterson
  114. Truth3 says:
    @Ahoy

    He’s not Michael Savage… he’s Micha Weiner, or Mister Whiner.

    He is a Jew that hates Muslims publicly, and Christians and White People secretly.

  115. @Z-man

    And that’s because Samuel Untermyer who later organized the Jewish economic boycott of Germany first financed a new edition of the Bible. It might well be him or a team of his Zionist employees who really wrote the copious notes in the Scofield Bible.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  116. Z-man says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    Well yeah the Satanic Cabal runs it but they provide cover to the real Zionists and support to the gentile politicians that the Cabal owns.

  117. Every morning, Netanyahu gets out of bed and sings, “Onward Christian Soldiers.”

    He says it’s his favorite tune and it gives him goosebumps.

    Such a nice man.

    Paul Wolfowitz is also a prince. Will never forget him standing by the caskets of dead American boys who’d been slaughtered in wars for Israel. He thanked them for their service in the name of “freedom.”
    He thanked the weeping parents of the young Christian boys.
    He spoke of their dedication to their country. Imagine the kind of circumlocution small hats engage in.
    Christian boys get murdered fighting proxy wars for Israel, and Wolfowitz has the fucking balls to thank them for “their service!”

    Their service to ISRAEL.

    Small hat logic is really something.

  118. Ahoy says:

    @Truth3

    Thank you for the information. Unimaginable the construct under which they hide.

  119. chris says:
    @fnn

    What an interrsting tidbit:

    … in 1967, Avraham Harman, insisted that some of the attackers be prosecuted and that American journalists be invited to cover the trial, which unfortunately never happened.

    What a transparently pathetic maneuver meant to stall for time! As if this crime had been part of some rogue operation and not conceived at the top of the Israeli government with everyone’s approval. Notice the nice touch with inviting American journalists, all these details meant to obfuscate the fact that such a trial should have be held in the US and not in Israel.

    For all the talk of the Liberty even in this very small circle, over all these years, I miss the fact that no one has provided a list of the culprits! Who was in the decision process at the time who would have conceived and approved the decision to attack the Liberty? And what role did these people play in US relations, subsequently?

    As far as the treasonous part on the US side is concerned, this attack was not without precedence of course, Pearl Harbor had been instigated and allowed to happen only 24 years before, … by related actors, one might add.

    • Replies: @chris
  120. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Hopelessly bogged down? You are completely ignorant of what was going on in Vietnam in 1967 and shouldn’t embarrass yourself.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  121. Trinity says:

    A poster awhile back noted that a TRUE Christian cannot be a Zionist, and he is absolutely right, but to think that the only people kissing Jew ass in America are these “Christian Zionist” or that “Christian Zionists” are the biggest problem when it comes to the JQ is bullshit. A lot of “Zionist” are Satanists, atheists, or hell, they probably worship themselves which is really what Judaism seems to be all about or hell they might be Buddhists given recent developments. I do have to admit that I have no idea why these Christians worship the Jew, and I see more than just the evangelical type, I see Catholic as well. IF the world is still here 100 years from now and Western Civilization is dead and buried, people will look back at this and not believe it. It does seem like some science fiction movie where a tiny group of criminal “small hats” take over the most powerful nations in the world not by force but by cunning, manipulation and deception. This is the equivalent of Woody Allen psyching out Mike Tyson before a boxing match and winning by a knockout over Iron Mike. This is SHAMEFUL. America didn’t fall fighting a huge war against a formidable enemy like Russia or China, America lost a war because they were afraid of being called names and they believed in a Jewish fairy tale called the holocaust.

    • Agree: Robjil
  122. chris says:
    @chris

    The attack on Pearl Harbor had happened, of course, 26 and not 24 years before the Liberty attack.

  123. @geokat62

    Thanks Geo – what an incredible comment coming from someone who is paid at taxpayer funded executive salary levels with an executive level staff also paid by the taxpayer to promote the interests of his co-religionists tribe no matter what crimes they commit and no matter what they do! The revolution to get rid of these people and their pretensions cannot start soon enough!

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Truth3
  124. @anon

    I agree, but not with an ICBM, but with a drone killing of the specific Isreali politicians and generals who ordered the attack. The citizens of Isreali, then and now, have no more power over their executive branch or military then the citizens of any country, including America. Punish the perps with authority over the attack, not even the pilots, as they must obey orders. Kill those who give the orders to go to war, and who profit from death, and war will stop. As conservatives like to point out, incentives matter. Make evil pay.

  125. Z-man says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    That comment from the State Department’s anti-Semitism monitor was sickening.

  126. Wally says:
    @Omegabooks

    What a sucker, or perhaps a hasbarist.

    You’re blaming Christians while deflecting Zionist fault.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  127. Wally says:
    @geokat62

    said:
    “Against the backdrop of the massacre of the USS Liberty, puppet Trumpstein has authorized his anti-semitism tsar to ensure countries to “love their Jews more.”

    – As if Joe Biden would be any different.

    “You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist – I am a Zionist, my name is Joe Biden, and everybody knows I love Israel.”

    • Replies: @geokat62
  128. geokat62 says:
    @Wally

    – As if Joe Biden would be any different.

    Couldn’t agree more, Wally.

    That’s why I never praise Sleepy Joe… or any other Traitorous Shabbos Goy, for that matter. But you insist on praising Trumpstein for some reason. See the difference?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Wally
    , @Wielgus
  129. Trinity says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Thanks for the video. I will TRY to watch it later. I couldn’t make it past the first couple of minutes, not because the video wasn’t spot on, it is just disturbing as hell as well as PUKE worthy. My gawd, how bad must a “tribe” of people be that they actually have to TRY and make you not only not criticize them but worship them. So we as goyim are not only supposed to tolerate pedophiles like Epstein & Company, but we as goyim must never criticize them because they happen to be Jewish pedophiles. And the kicker is that we must be philo-Semites on steroids and worship Jews because they are Jews. Right.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
  130. Agent76 says:

    May 16, 2012 “USS Liberty: Dead In The Water” (BBC Documentary 2002)

    On June 8th, 1965, during the Six-Day War, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty belonging to its closest ally, the USA. Thirty-four American servicemen were killed and over 170 wounded in the two-hour assault by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats.

    Jun 3, 2017 Six-Day War, 50-Year Occupation: What Really Happened in June 1967?

    In the first of an extended three-part interview on the 50th anniversary of the June 1967 Arab-Israeli war, author and scholar Norman Finkelstein debunks the enduring myths surrounding that historic confrontation — myths that have sustained​ the ensuing Israeli ​occupation of Palestinian lands​.

  131. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    Not totally sure about this – so don’t quote me – but there are early reports that suggest Elan Carr may have already selected this man as his spokesperson for convincing The Dumb Goyim to “love their Jews”:

  132. @TGD

    LBJ was the most corrupt president in US history. He was also a megalomaniac, exhibitionist (he was in the habit of pissing off the side of his boat on the Pedernales River in full view of his guests and defecating in a White House bathroom with the door wide open to his staff), a vulgarian, a crook, an assassin, a liar (as with the “Gulf of Tonkin” incident) and a murderer.

    Agree with this. Had to comment as had run out of “agree”s.

    • Agree: Black Picard
  133. @Wizard of Oz

    The US was not “hopelessly bogged down in Vietnam” in 1967.

    What doesn’t deserve a moment is reading any of the zionist rubbish that you write.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  134. JamesinNM says:

    The ultimate fate of the false Jews is in God’s hands (Revelation 2:9 and 3:9). In the limit as time approaches infinity, the length of each human’s life approaches zero, a mere breath, However, everyone’s eternal destiny rests upon the choices made and not made in that infinitesimally short human life.

  135. Technomad says:

    Pro-Israeli types keep saying “It was a mistake, it was a mistake, it was friendly fire, it was a mistake!” Oh-kay…let’s look at what happened afterward, shall we?

    As far as I can find, no as in NO Israeli faced court-martial, got kicked out of the military, had to spend time in prison, or had to pay so much as an Israeli pound in fines for this.

    I’ve never served, but I would bet that had I been responsible for this sort of massive attack on a neutral-flagged ship from a friendly country, even if we were at war I’d have been court-martialed and thrown so deep into Leavenworth that I’d never see the light of day again.

    If LBJ had not been a Demo(n)crat, he might have stood up to the Israelis. The last POTUS who did was Dwight D. Eisenhower. But LBJ was a Demo(n)crat, elections were coming up, and the “Jewish vote” (not to mention their contributions) was vital to Donkey Party chances. LBJ didn’t dare rock the boat, for fear of his party imploding around him. Even without that, I would bet that Mossad and Israeli-friendly people in the US had more than enough blackmail dirt on him to bury him ten feet deep.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Anon
  136. Trinity says:

    We need to worship the Jews because they have “suffered so much.” SARC.

  137. Truth3 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    The revolution to get rid of these people and their pretensions cannot start soon enough!

    I already admired you a huge amount, Mr. Giraldi.

    But your comment above tells me you should be President of the United States.

    We will appoint you to that post when the revolution is complete.

    I’ll saddle up my horse and grab a pitchfork. When do we ride?

    • Agree: geokat62, Pat Kittle
    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  138. @Lefty Grove

    Trump himself dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. Mr. Giraldi, with all due respect, this president, like most of them all, is a liar and a fraud. Trump will NEVER bring justice to the Liberty vets.

    Agreed. Trump is a lying scumbag and the US is done for. You got to choose Zionist Trump or Zionist Hildebeast. Now you get to choose Zionist Trump or Zionist Biden.

    • Agree: vot tak
  139. anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @MEexpert

    That response is actually ordered by someone in Herzylia which coordinated with Jews in USA to sink the Liberty .

  140. @G J T

    GJT, we are in close agreement, you and I. The term Christian Zionist is an oxymoron. First, their Web sites appear to be actually Jewish sites. One in NZ with the spellings Yeshua and Shaul of Tarsus, posing as the private site of a Christian pastor heavily into the Holocaust industry, but a site obviously hugely financed. Obviously Jewish.

    And then there is their bible, the “Scofield Reference Bible” published in 1909 with a 1917 edition, with the words on the title page, “Edited by Rev. C. I. Scofield D.D.” He never in fact had a D.D. degree. The production was financed by Samuel Untermeyer, the fiend who later, in 1933 organized the Jewish economic boycott of Germany and earlier was the ultimate genius behind pushing the USA into WW1. And that title page names 7 “consulting editors” all with “D.D.” after the name, presumably the ones who actually wrote the copious footnotes, the “references”, one or more of which point to a word appearing I think once only in the letters of Paul that was translated as “rapture”. Scofield had switched denominations to get a pastor’s job but his chief qualification for Untermyer to give him the job of posing as editor was that he was a known fraudster, from memory convicted, at least prosecuted.

    Those consulting editors were presumably all Jews or at least rabid Zionists appointed by Untermyer and the true editors. Scofield in name only.

    Agreed that Talmudic Jews are not Israelites, have no Hebrew ancestry. Yes, mostly of Karaite ancestry but also the result of aggressive pre-Talmudic Pharisaic proselytizing all over the Hellenistic world that ultimately stretched from the Atlantic to the Indus Valley.

    But one important point you have wrong. Call the Jewish invaders of Palestine Aryans, fine. But the true Israelites WERE Semites. They, with a Canaanite mix, are today’s Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  141. @geokat62

    Hey geo!

    You know what’s really absurd, er, sonething that surpasses Wally’s mediocre absurdity? Below.

    NYT Jew, Brett Stephens, neither believes Biden nor Tara Reade who claimed the Senator touched her inappropriately.

    Haha, (Zigh). Stephens opined, “What I do believe in is presumption of innocence, and in high standards of proof for sorts of crimes. That’s a presumption I will continue to extend to Biden. The least he can do now is extend it to everyone else.”

    🤣. Sanctimonious charade, Brett. To Stephens, I extend a high standard (💤Zigh).

    Sleepy Joe is likely scared shitless to publically mention anything about Trumpstein’s serious crimes at Jeffrey Epstein venues, including his preference to get a teenie’s (gloved) hand job.

    Doubtless, Shabbos wonder goy, Biden, wants to beat Trumpstein, but he also prefers to extend his “traitorous” life beyond the Zio rigged debate stage.💥 Thanks, George!

    • Replies: @Wally
  142. @Truth3

    It must be noted that people with corrupt instincts are more numerous than those of noble instinct. Therefore in governing the world the best results are obtained ,by means of violence and intimidation, and not by academic discussions. Every man aims at power; everyone would like to become a dictator if he only could do so, and rare indeed are the men who would not be disposed to sacrifice the welfare of others in order to attain their own personal aims. https://www.unz.com/book/anonymous__the-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion/#protocol-i-the-basic-doctrine

  143. RDB says:
    @anon

    absolutely. Blow Isra-hell off the face of the earth….the Rothschilds, and other wealthy Jews are the only people who would feel sorrow….the rest of the planet would be happy to get rid of the whole damn bunch of them………

  144. Adûnâi says:
    @Wally

    > “What a sucker, or perhaps a hasbarist.”

    > “You’re blaming Christians while deflecting Zionist fault.”

    Wait, Wally, are you Christian? Are you defending Christians? To my mind, it is only natural that the worshippers of a rabbi’s corpse on a stick defend the said rabbi’s ancient homeland.

    Christian Zionism is a natural consequence of the dialectic of Christian culture. The other ones are transvestism and ecumenism – familiar to you “globohomo” in American English.

    • Replies: @KA
  145. @Miro23

    Commemorating the loss cannot be illegal no matter how captured the USA is. So, organize a mass movement in each state to put lit candles in a cut-off plastic container on the porches of your homes at dawn on the day.

    Over the years it will grow, as more of the American people become aware of your tragedy. The Cabal, as we call them, can’t put you all in FEMA camps, surely!

  146. lysias says:
    @J. R. Chloupek

    The Israeli politicians and generals involved in the attack on the Liberty are now beyond the reach of justice. They are all dead.

    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  147. @Rich

    It got worse but remembering that LBJ had a big domestic agenda too it would be interesting to read your analysis which shows that Johnson would not have felt constrained by by the Vietnam commitment. After all Macnamara started Project 100,000 in 1966. Explain that consistently with your view of the facts.

    • Replies: @Rich
  148. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I meant mostly of Khazar ancestry. Didn’t mean to insult Karaite Jews.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  149. President John F. Kennedy was concerned over powerful and wealthy American Jews attempting to hijack U.S. foreign policy to favor Israel.

    American Jews acting as Israel First agents? Is this science fiction?

  150. @acementhead

    Well I am perfectly happy that you haven’t read my comments which would show how absurd it is to class me as Zionist though emotional fanatics of any kind do set off my contrarian instincts. But, on the tentative assumption that you can do better, and bearing in mind that LBJ gave up the struggle to manage all the pressures on him and decided against seeking reelection, I remind you (if that is not being too polite) that Macnamara’s Project 100,000 began in 1966 and that, by 1967 about 490,000 American troops were in Vietnam. And remember how unpopular and divisive conscription was. I did say LBJ was bogged down in Vietnam, not the US, because LBJ’s thinking was in question, but 450,000 out of America’s much smaller population and its taking over 6 years to get them out does look like “bogged down” to me if you insist on diverting your attention from decisions LBJ had to make in 1967.

  151. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    You’re ignorance is matched only by your arrogance. I was agreeing with another’s opinion on why LBJ would have allowed an attack on an American ship to go unanswered. Your inability to catch that, and your ignorance of the Vietnam War, the American domestic situation, and LBJ make it a waste of time to try and educate you. Take a couple courses at your local community college first, maybe find Vietnam on a map, then come back and we’ll see if you’ve gained enough humility to learn something you didn’t know.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  152. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I perfectly understand the objections to the pro Israel lobbying of a very active and well financed minority of American Jews (the majority I think feeling inhibited at actually opposing the Zionists) but why do anti Semites discredit themselves by frothing at the mouth over alleged Khazar ancestry of Ashkenazi Jews? The DNA evidence is in long since (you’ll find it if you try, honestly). Ashkenazim started their lineages in Northern Italy by Semitic males interbreeding with local women – probably Celtic as often as not (hence perhaps the frequent occurrence of red facial hair). Forget Koestler’s 13th Tribe which seems to have been his rather simple minded way of saying “don’t be antisemitic towards us: we’re not Semites”.

  153. Wally says:
    @geokat62

    – I’ll take Trump any day over the alternatives.

    – Better to have a lot of what you want than none.

    – Trump landslide 2020

    Trump’s historic judicial appointments: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-heads-into-2020-with-historic-judicial-appointments
    “That brings Trump’s total to 102 federal judges confirmed in 2019. Over the course of his administration, that total jumps to 187, including 50 to circuit courts of appeal and two Supreme Court justices.”
    Trump’s 60-point accomplishment list : https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/media-blackout-trumps-60-point-accomplishment-list-of-american-greatness
    Here’s How Much Red Tape Trump Has Cut: https://www.heritage.org/government-regulation/commentary/heres-how-much-red-tape-trump-has-cut

  154. bjondo says:
    @J. R. Chloupek

    The citizens of Isreali, then and now, have no more power over their executive branch or military then the citizens of any country, including America. Punish the perps with authority over the attack, not even the pilots, as they must obey orders.

    Yid fungible.

    No point separating thug from thug.

    Doing so is deceit.

    5 dancing shlomos

  155. Wally says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Poor Stalin apologist, Bolshevik Bernie supporter, ChuckieOrlosski, can’t refute anything I post.

    Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist / Communist
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffreydorfman/2018/07/08/sorry-bernie-bros-but-nordic-countries-are-not-socialist/#1e98c6e474ad

  156. @Rich

    No use huffing and puffing to hide your embarrassing ignorance. *I was precisely dealing with your agreement with another commenters ridiculous theory too*. Are you seriously expecting even the dimmer UR readers to believe you even know enough to know about and understand the implications of Project 100,000 and over 500,000 Americans being on the Ground in Vietnam? And you want them to believe you could show LBJ willing to start a war with Russia in Egypt?

    “Arrogant”? Well I think I’ll borrow a bit of our host’s arrogance which bursts out occasionally when he calls a commenter a “retard”. That’s about right for you.

    BTW, one reason I can claim to know about Vietnam was because I remember vividly an argument I had as a very young man in 1966 or 67 at the house of a future foreign minister with the then Minister for Air whom I attacked on the issue of conscription. I argued it was against our free enterprise market based principles. (He really agreed with me as I discovered when we wrote a political pamphlet together 10 years later).

    • Replies: @Rich
  157. @Alfred

    According to Jeff Gates and his book, Guilt by Association, the entire 1967 war was an Israeli scheme.

    In this conversation on RedIce, Gates recounted how LBJ’s speechwriter happened to be passing thru TelAviv as the war was under way. When a siren sounded, the speechwriter told his Jewish hosts, “Shouldn’t we take cover?”
    They said, “No, no worries.” [Nobody is shooting at us.]

    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=cr56HuPf-9o

    @11 min.

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  158. Dick says:

    Israel is the reef the SS United States will wreck itself upon.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin, ivan
    • Replies: @old smokey
  159. @lysias

    What about the pilots carrying out orders? Can’t they still be pulled out of assisted living facilities and prosecuted as war criminals? If the Nazi hunters chase even the 17 year old conscripted grunts ordered to stand guard at concentration camps, why shouldn’t everyone else up and down the chain of command in the Liberty massacre not get the same treatment? How easy is that one to answer?

    • Agree: Trinity, FLgeezer
    • Replies: @Wally
  160. Wally says:
    @Niebelheim

    Except the Nazis were not guilty of the “holocau$t” allegations made against them, the Israelis were guilty of killing US sailors on the USS Liberty.

    Big difference.

    recommended:
    Altered USS Liberty photos / same purpose, same people: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1511
    ex.:

    more:
    Israeli Attack on the Liberty Was No Accident, By James Ennes: https://codoh.com/library/document/3029/en/

  161. ivan says:
    @Paul

    1967 was just 11 years after 1956 when President Eisenhower forced the end of the Franco – Anglo – Israeli plot to occupy the Suez. There would have been numerous Israelis who didn’t buy into the nostrums of the “greatest ally” and similar rubbish. And many of them originated from the Eastern Bloc where they would just as easily have regarded the Soviet Union as the “greatest ally”. Its only shocking to braindead Americans that Israel would do such a thing.

    • Agree: Adûnâi
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @utu
    , @AaronB
  162. KA says:
    @Adûnâi

    that the worshippers of a rabbi’s”
    We have heard and been told of this association by the presence . But what do you expect ? Is some one going to come and rescue America from Guam or Nepal or even Italy? No he has to be from here, from USA imbibing same ideas ,breathing same air and largely agreeing with various ideas and practices . That does not and will not make him belong to the same gallery of the rogues .
    This rabbi-Jesus gave them enough chances and repeated exhortations to leave certain path and embrace something new . They did not . Gradually the disciples of this Jesus ( bungled things up quite a bit ) left the mainstream .

  163. And on the topic of Israeli crimes.

    ‘An Israeli court district has allowed a young Israeli settler, suspected of killing a Palestinian mother of eight in her car in 2018, to go back to the settlement, Israeli media reported on Sunday.

    The 47-year-old Palestinian, Aisha Mohammed Rabi, died of injuries sustained after Israeli settlers threw stones at her car at a checkpoint near Nablus in the northern West Bank, also injuring her husband.

    While there were multiple suspects in the case, all suspects were later released, with the exception of the unnamed minor, who was indicted for manslaughter after traces of his DNA were found on the stone, according to Haaretz.

    The indicted adolescent, who can’t be publicly named under Israeli law, was released on house arrest in his grandparents’ home…’

    Aisha Mohammed Rabi seems to have been a rather attractive and happy woman — going by her pictures, anyway.

    She was only a Palestinian. Her life turned out to be worth about that of a dog.

  164. @ivan

    ‘Its only shocking to braindead Americans that Israel would do such a thing.’

    Speaking as an American, it doesn’t shock me at all that Israel would do such a thing; it’s actually very much in character. What is shocking is that we would not merely tolerate such humiliation, but actually be complicit in it.

    • Replies: @ivan
  165. “President Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors.”

    And that’s all you need to know about US governments [past and present].

  166. utu says:
    @ivan

    1967 was 4 years after 1963 when Israeli operatives were involved in the execution of the plot to assassinated John F. Kennedy. Yitzhak Rabin was in Texas during the assassination. The following year Yitzhak Rabin was appointed chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces by Levi Eshkol, who had replaced David Ben-Gurion (five months before JFK assassination) as Prime Minister and Minister of Defense. David Ben-Gurion resigned in June 1963 so Israel could break and stall JFK’s series of communications demanding halting the development of nuclear weapons in Dimona.

    1967 was 13 years after 1954 Operation Susannah (The Lavon affair) when Israel operatives false-flag targeted American-, and British-owned civilian cinemas, libraries, and educational centers in Egypt.

    1967 was 20 years after 1947 when the Stern gang sent letter bombs to Truman’s White House.

    • Replies: @ivan
  167. @SolontoCroesus

    Hi,

    Off topic but you left a question on my comment on the 2 doctors in Bakersfield in another thread:

    You can watch the full video 108 min version on this bitchute channel (really interesting interview):


    PS:
    I am watching the Jeff Gates video you left. Very good so far! thx

    • Thanks: SolontoCroesus
  168. Charlie O says:

    Facebook will not allow this article to be posted – says it is ABUSIVE!

  169. You can rest assured that if it had been the reverse, if someone had attacked and killed Israeli military personnel outside of Israel during peacetime, Mossad would have sought all those responsible out to the ends of the earth and terminated them. You don’t even need to be a superpower to extract that kind of revenge, just identify, locate, and send an undercover assassination team. But the US can be used as a punchbag with no fear of retaliation – only by Israel of course.

    • Replies: @Wally
  170. @Dick

    Israel is the reef the SS United States will wreck itself upon.

    More like a succubus Kraken hell bent on sucking the life force energy out of the country before dragging the corpse under the waves.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  171. @Wizard of Oz

    Just two points. Koestler’s 13th Tribe didn’t strike me as simple-minded. Absolutely the reverse.

    And on DNA tests proving what those financing the tests were determined to prove, be very careful. Make sure it’s double-blind selection and testing, and make sure the molecular geneticists doing the tests are not Jewish but people with no axe to grind. Likewise make sure the research grants paying for the research have no Jewish financiers. And don’t believe the results of a massive research project carried out simultaneously by several labs in several universities that doesn’t result in independent research papers published by each lab but one paper coordinating the results of all.

    And notice that we are easily fooled by propaganda that is just political misinformation anyone should be able to see through. Switching to something as abstruse and unintelligible to most as molecular genetics makes us helpless to detect deceptions.

    And let me remind you again of Ashkenaz. Genesis 10.3. Ashkenazi means Japhethite.

    And remember “The Invention of the Jewish People” and that deceptive invention is everywhere on this topic.

    Right at the beginning the twisted story of Semitic males and Italian females is weakened by the historical record. Those males wouldn’t have been Semites. Aquila and Priscilla, Jews thrown out of Rome about AD 40 (Acts 18.2) would not have been Semites but the result of massive proselytizing across the Hellenistic world.

    • Agree: ivan
  172. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Koestler’s 13th Tribe didn’t strike me as simple-minded. Absolutely the reverse.

    Agreed. And then were are all those Khazarian Jews, as though they lost their empire they weren’t all exterminated by the victorious Russians?

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  173. Herald says:
    @J. R. Chloupek

    Following orders is absolutely no excuse for acts of criminality. Ultimately the citizens of a country must take full responsibility for their wayward governments. Of course, this applies in spades for the US, where the great mass of the public pay scant regard to, or actually approve of government’s flagrantly criminal and often treasonous misconduct.

  174. Truth3 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The OzWiz is bucking for promotion to IIDF Sophist First Class.

    Your version of the DNA testing was done by and paid for by Jews with an agenda.

    The overwhelming objective evidence, DNA included, is that your Ashkenazim ancestry is largely Khazar.

    Linguistically, Genetically, and Geographically and Historically… y’all a bunch of Khazar bastards.

    Your sophistry fizzles into a fart when you die and go meet the one you pierced.

    Enjoy that day, I sure will.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  175. @Commentator Mike

    Yes. The term that came to my mind was, meticulous. Very far from simple-minded.

    There is also that old story, one repeated by Leon Uris in “Exodus”, about how all the Ashkenazi Jews of the Rhineland fled east after being blamed for the Black Death and that’s how there came to be a thousand times more in Poland than were ever in Western Europe.

    And there is no record anywhere of that massive flight. I did a search and found that it was just assumed to have happened.

    I think that story was dropped when DNA was discovered, presenting a fabulous new opportunity to deceive.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  176. @Truth3

    You clearly have no interest in finding out who I am or what my antecedenrs are. That’s fine because I don’t need to be offered the deeper acquaintance of uncivil fools.

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Truth3
    , @ploni almoni
  177. Making evil pay seems impossible when the evil comes from Israel. This situation is 53 years old. In all that time, no one has figured out a way to hit back successfully.

    The only way to create pushback against the Israelis is to create a meaningful Muslim presence in the US. We need 10, 20, or 30 Omars and Tlaibs, as distasteful as that prospect might be to traditiohal conservatives. American gentiles who weigh in on the Israel issue are instantly denounced as anti-Semites. Muslims by contrast, would simply be partisans, analogous to Irish Catholics who rail against Irish Protestants or vice versa.

    Muslims are also known for fearless pushback against degenerate sex education and the like. They are a valuable resource for spineless social conservatives who freeze in terror at the sight of an NYT editorial.

    As they say, you can’t get something for nothing.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  178. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    The Liberty is only one of many of the lies we have been told by the government since Pearl Harbor and before. How can any thinking person believe any of the “official” stories the government tells us. Even the present news about the Corona virus, how much of the “official” government pronouncements can we believe?

    • Replies: @Herald
  179. Robjil says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Jews were already in large numbers in Poland in the 14th century. Poland was the center of European Jewry during the Black Death time, which was in the 14th century.
    https://insidetheeyelive.com/zezorro-on-itel-radio-7-6-2013/

    An interesting revelation was the point of view that the relationship between Poland and its Jewish population was such that since the 12th Century, at the time of King Kazimir the Great, provided for Jewish people their own private settlements and the period became known as a “Golden Age” for Jews, or a “paradise Udoru”, or Jewish Paradise, a concept elaborated on in Jewish historical texts.

    Poland for some odd reason was not effected by Black Death. Milan too, Milan was the center for Lombard pawn shops at the time. Perhaps, Milan got the heads up on this plague from Poland.

    https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/16699/why-was-poland-spared-from-the-black-death

    The featured image of the Wikipedia page for the Black Death is a gif showing the spread of the bubonic plague throughout Europe. There are a few places where the plague never spread to, including the area around Milan. But most notably, the entire Kingdom of Poland is spared, even as virtually every other region is infected.

  180. Rich says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Of course a person of low class like yourself would use an insult like “retard”, something most of us knew was wrong in the 3rd grade. Please go play with the others of your ilk. I’ll no longer respond to anything you write.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  181. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I provided a long introduction to my minor interest in the subject starting with my noting that it was odd the people descended from Khazars spoke a dialect of German laced with a bit of Hebrew. (Unfortunately it got lost somehow so this is a truncated version). The rabbi to whom I said this told me it was Arthur Koestler’s mistaken history and that it was only the royal family and some aristocrats who converted to finesse the problem of being sandwiched between Muslims and Christians (Armenians I think).

    If you want science get in touch with Greg Cochran, physicist turned anthropologist, who is sometimes to be found as gcochran (I think) on UR threads and can be found on the West Hunter blog westhunt.wordpress.com .
    A Google search will also give you his Twitter address.

    If you choose to remain ignorant you will ignore him and his decidedly superior knowledge. But if you do learn something reliable and up to date and write it up I shall read it with mild interest.

    BTW wasn’t the main move East of Ashkenazim about 1050 when invited by the Polish king?

  182. Truth3 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    There needs to be an “IIDF Asshole” button.

  183. @jack daniels

    The only way to create pushback against the Israelis is to create a meaningful Muslim presence in the US. We need 10, 20, or 30 Omars and Tlaibs, as distasteful as that prospect might be to traditiohal conservatives.

    Nope. We need to free ourselves of both Jews and Muslims, and set justice loose on our leaders who are guilty of countless crimes, whether in war or peace. The current situation can’t last. Why add an extra layer of stupidity?

    • Agree: Truth3, Lurker
    • Replies: @jack daniels
  184. Ian Smith says:

    Has anyone ever noticed the way LBJ partisans all use the phrase ‘he died a broken man’, as if that somehow makes up for Vietnam, etc. It’s weird, like they were all taught the phrase a la The Manchurian Candidate.
    I didn’t think anything could make me hate LBJ more, but this article succeeded.

  185. @Rich

    Your negative genius now extends to insulting Ron Unz. Brilliant!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  186. @Technomad

    I don’t think you would find that the US armed forces had a record of holding wrongdoers guilty of crimes against foreigners that gives an American standing to complain about Israel’s equally lamentable behaviour.

  187. @Wizard of Oz

    I don’t believe in racial determinism, but within the Jewish community the “Ashkenazis” are responsible for most of the cliches that underly “anti-Semitism.” That is they are the smart ones who win Nobel Prizes and preach from the air waves, and the ones given to Bolshevism and sexual radicalism; they are the Hollywood moguls and financiers. I have no opinion on their genetic history save that somehow they emerged as a distinctive class within Jewish culture. In Israel an Ashkenazi who marries a Sephardic is perceived somewhat analogously to a suburban doctor who marries a girl from the trailer park.

  188. @OilcanFloyd

    I was proposing a plan, broadly speaking, that would allow us to state our complaints about Israel without crippling fear based on realistic expectations of retaliation.

    Since the current situation goes back a very long time, what is YOUR plan??????? How will YOU go about “setting justice on” on eg Lindsey Graham or Chuck Schumer? Start a new Nazi party?? LOL

    Do you not see that Jews are infinitely more infuential than Muslims?

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  189. @old smokey

    I don’t know about you but I think the corpse is already underwater.

  190. AaronB says:
    @ivan

    Actually, in 1967 Israel’s main arms supplier was France. Israel won the war with Mirage planes.

    Interestingly, America only began taking a serious interest in Israel because of its success in that war, when it became apparent that Israel could be useful in America’s Cold War with the Soviets. Before that, the general American consensus was that Israel had no chance at survival.

    Before that, America was hostile to Israel in the 56 Suez War, as you note, and in 1948, even prevented arms shipments from reaching Israel during its war of independence.

    America only became Israel’s main military supplier in the late 70s, after all its major wars had been fought – and because it did so well in them.

    Still, Israel did have decent relations with America in 1967 and made a tremendous effort to get American blessings for a military effort to break Egypt’s illegal blocking of the Suez Straits and ammassing its armies on Israel’s borders threatening to destroy Israel.

    Permission was categorically denied by America.

    Nevertheless, Israel did what it had to do and the rest is history. I guess the lesson is God helps those who help themselves.

    In the end, cultural and spiritual affinities between Israel and America would likely have led to a strong friendship in the long run, but America likes winners – and without that, Israel would never have attracted so much attention from America, no matter how sympathetic its culture and moral its cause.

    • Replies: @ivan
    , @Anon
    , @Oscar Peterson
  191. Trinity says:

    Was it not Eisenhower who was in charge of the death camps that starved, beat, tortured and murdered valiant German soldiers who fought against Jewish Globalism and domination over Europe? Was it not Eisenhower who forced White children to attend schools with Black children in the South by using the National Guard, FORCING WHITES AT GUNPOINT TO INTEGRATE THEIR SCHOOLS. To suggest that Ike stood up to the Jews as one poster stated earlier is LAUGHABLE. Matter of fact it has even been insinuated that both Ike and LBJ had Jewish ancestry, hell, even if Ike was a Dutchman and LBJ was just good ole boy albeit a sexual degenerate from Texas, it really doesn’t matter because both were ABSOLUTELY 100% KOSHER STAMPED boot-lickers for the Jews. We know of how the JEW HAS TOTALLY CONTROLLED AMERICA’S FOREIGN POLICY, but the JEW HAS DONE FAR MORE DAMAGE IN HOW HE HAS DESTROYED AMERICA FROM THE INSIDE by integrating our public schools, the 1965 Immigration Reform Act ( also under the Johnson Administration,) stirring up racial division during the Swindle Whites Movement ( JFK and LBJ), and pushing discriminatory laws that favor nonwhites over Whites like affirmative action, etc All the anti-White propaganda that the Jew has taught generations of White children to hate themselves and for nonwhites to hate and physically attack, rape and murder Whites, etc.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  192. @Wizard of Oz

    Are you saying that you are chosen by God? Has a phrenologist confirmed this? Or are you saying you are the son of Jor-El himself sent here from Krypton? Why is it vitally important for some Turks to think they are Semites? And not just any Semites, like the first born Ishmaelite trash that Abraham threw out with the garbage, like an abortion, but holy Semites like his other son Isaac, father of Jacob. Jacob who swindled his elder brother Esau with the help of his mother Rebekah, and swindled and was swindled by his uncle Laban, brother of Rebekah, who sold Jacob the sisters Leah and Rachel.

    Wikipedia says that Ashkenazi means “Scythians” in Akkadian. Does that tell you anything? Why do you think your Rabbi is the highest authority? Are you some kind of Talmudist? And why does the Khazar agreement with Vytautas, Duke of Lithuania, the “Writs of Privilege” that gave the Khazars from Crimea political autonomy in their shtetels, specify that charges of “Blood Libel” are a matter for the Duke’s eyes only? Was child sacrifice some quaint custom preserved from the pagan Khazars who converted to Karaite (non Talmudic) and Ashkenazi (Talmudic) Judaism or was this the original Moloch worshiping part of this glorious Semitic tradition?

    And why trade your own glorious history that says you are the children of the blue grey wolf and the fallow doe (in the “Altin Diptar” or the “Secret Book of the Mongols”) for a bowl of porridge? And how come Kagan and Kaganovich sounds like Qaghan, a Khazar chief if the Ashkenazis are descended from male Semites and female Celtics in Northern Italy? (A cute variant on Ezekiel’s “your fadder was an Amorite and your mudder was a Hittite.”) And wasn’t German the language of the Baltic Livonians which the Khazars (going north and not east) learned as social climbers from the ruling Teutonic knights in the Baltics? And didn’t the Jewish judge in Brisk (Brest) look forward to the day when all Jews would speak German? And doesn’t Kaplan or Rabbi come from Kappelan, or chaplain of the Teutonic Knights? And could not the Khazars have learned the word “bentschen” (benedictus) from Polish Catholics (and NOT from passing through Spain to Germany)? And why do you think that Germans are superior to Slavs and that Litvak Jews are superior to Polish Yids? Why are you ashamed of your past? A superiority complex? This of course is the story of the Ashkenazis and not the Sephardics who are Phoenicians or the Bukharans who are Persians.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  193. ivan says:
    @Colin Wright

    That’s true. Imagine if it were the Iranian mullahs who were behind something similar. But I don’t blame the Israelis for the rot. From my readings right till the late 80s there were influential Americans who could call the Israelis to heel. The rot began in earnest after the religion of Holocaust worship was set it train during the 70s.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  194. ivan says:
    @utu

    In as much as a nation is an agreed set of lies, Israel has way more than its fair share.

  195. ivan says:
    @AaronB

    Cultural and especially spiritual affinities would not stand over the long run on a bed of lies. I would say that the free run the Americans have given the Israelis may come to an abrupt end in a black swan event. The alliance with the Americans is a double-edged sword in that they may back all the stupidities that Netanyahu is carrying on with only to leave you in a lurch.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  196. Wally says:
    @Commentator Mike

    said:
    “You can rest assured that if it had been the reverse, if someone had attacked and killed Israeli military personnel outside of Israel during peacetime, Mossad would have sought all those responsible out to the ends of the earth and terminated them.”

    Actually, ‘Israel’ would have insisted that the US do it for them.

    • Agree: Trinity
  197. AaronB says:
    @ivan

    The alliance with America has always been a double edged sword.

    Israel has been far more restrained in its military responses, and its settlement program, in order to please America.

    America has generally been a restraining force on Israel. Remember, in 1967, America tried to prevent Israel from preemptively attacking Egypt, and in 1956 it was America which put an end to the war.

    Still, for the price of being put under the American defensive umbrella – especially since the Soviets were heavily arming and supporting the Arabs – it was well worth it.

    But the world is a different place now, and things are always changing. Nothing lasts for ever.

    Israel is in a very good long term position – it has the peculiar good fortune that the threats it faces necessarily evaporate the stronger they get.

    A Muslim world capable of defeating Israel would be one which has undergone a moral and social transformation that would result in no longer needing to destroy another country, and to understanding that is evil. (The only reasons Islam wants to destroy Israel today is out of a feeling of inadequacy at its own state – but that state is also why it can’t. But they go together, and disappear together).

    An America that no longer supported Israel would be an America that had undergone a moral and social degeneration that would make it worthless as an ally (and very unlikely to happen).

    In any event, in the long run everything changes and nothing is permanent.

    • Troll: anarchyst, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Wally
    , @04398436986
    , @ivan
  198. SP says:
    @lloyd

    They are the same. The world is run by satanic pedos and people like Johnson, and most of the rest with power and status, have blackmail hanging over their heads of seriously bad stuff they have done. Hollywood is no different.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  199. @ivan

    ‘That’s true. Imagine if it were the Iranian mullahs who were behind something similar. But I don’t blame the Israelis for the rot. From my readings right till the late 80s there were influential Americans who could call the Israelis to heel. The rot began in earnest after the religion of Holocaust worship was set it train during the 70s.’

    Another aspect is the rise of politically assertive Evangelicalism.

    You should see how those churches worship Israel! I stuck it out about half-way through one of their services. They blew a shofar and there was an Israeli flag hanging on the wall and then a sweet little old white lady got up and began tearfully recounting the travails of those poor Jews and how Israel was their only refuge and… (at this point I walked out).

    My theory about it all is that Israel is one of the few elements of the modern world that can be seen as a manifestation of all the Biblical rigamarole. The Evangelicals cling to Israel; it’s about the only concrete thing they have.

    …Hence the need to make them see that Israel is not a fulfillment of the Lord’s will, but if anything, a ghastly perversion of it. Make them see just how ungodly Israel is — all the ‘pinkwashing,’ and spitting on Christians, and trafficking in human organs and fraudulent financial instruments.

    Frame the argument in their terms: Israel is not a manifestation of Christ, but of the anti-Christ. These are the money-changers profaning Christ’s Temple. If they want to serve Jesus, pull the plug on the abomination that calls itself ‘Israel.’ Put it that way.

    • Agree: FLgeezer
    • Replies: @lloyd
    , @ivan
  200. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul

    I thought it was an attempted false flag, so if it was successful , the US would blame Egypt, and get in the war on the side of Israel. Just think how many potential lives were saved by that ship not being sunk. Just like Tucker Carlson constantly talking Trump out of war with Iran.

    Any good articles or books that lay forth those potential reasons that you said?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
  201. Wally says:
    @AaronB

    – Israel is an unproductive parasite that wouldn’t last a month without US taxpayers money.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel: Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    • Replies: @AaronB
  202. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Here’s another story that should be national news, but isn’t getting any press coverage. Newly released court documents show high ranking Israeli officials interfered in the 2016 presidential election on behalf of DJT. Roger Stone, Wikileaks, Assange, Israeli Generals, Cabinet Member, Podesta, Corsi, October surprise – all in the documents:

    https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569/gov.uscourts.dcd.204569.29.7.pdf

    From the link:

    53. On or about June 28, 2016, (redacted) messaged STONE, “RETURNING TO
    DC AFTER URGENT CONSULTATIONS WITH PM IN ROME. MUST MEET WITH YOU
    WED. EVE AND WITH DJ TRUMP THURSDAY IN NYC.

    5 Based on (redacted) statements here and below, I believe “PM” refers to the (redacted) Prime Minister.

    Which PM was in Rome on/about June 28, 2016? NetanYAHOO!

    https://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/pm-netanyahus-statement-at-his-press-conference-in-rome/2016/06/27/

  203. AaronB says:
    @Wally

    Actually, the cost to America of its other international commitments have been ridiculously greater than Israel.

    Hundreds of thousands of American soldiers actually lost their lives fighting for Asians and Europeans, while no Americans died fighting for Israel.

    In terms of expense, the vast treasures spent in wars Asia and Europe, and the expense of stationing huge numbers of troops and equipment in Japan, Korea, and Europe, to this day, dwarfs anything done for Israel.

    Considering the intelligence benefits, the technology benefits, and the real time testing of American combat systems that Israel provides, as well as its role during the Cold War of stemming the tide of Communism, the trivial by international standards sums America spends on Israel is money well spent.

    But of course, I am well aware that the MO of Jew haters is to single out Israel precisely for those areas where everyone else is ten times worse. The very irrationality and dishonesty is supposed to be a form of special contempt.

    Did hundreds of thousands Americans die fighting multiple wars for Europe and Asia and none for Israel? Why, we shall precisely single out Israel here, that fights its own wars.

    Are to this day American troops stationed in Asia and Europe at vast expense and in harms way? Why then, we shall precisely point out the less than 1% of GDP largely symbolic aid Israel gets.

    So I know better than to expect anything different from you guys.

  204. Anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Are you aware that Israel’s actually refuses to sign a mutual defense pact with the US , and the US’s relationship with Israel jeopardizes bases that the US actually needs like for instance ,turkey? In actuality the relationship is a one way street where only goys have obligations to Jews , and Jews have no obligations to goys.

    https://raymcgovern.com/2019/09/16/why-would-any-country-turn-down-a-defense-treaty-with-the-us/

    Are you aware that Israel gave copies of all of the approximately 500,000 top secret documents , that Jonathan Pollard stole , to Russia ,( who was at the time the US’s biggest enemy) to curry favor with them?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jan/12/julianborger1

    Do you realize that the rest of the world combined has not had as many convicted US spies, as Israel does by itself?

    https://rense.com/general79/zspies.htm

    Are you aware that a former head of Israeli idf gave an interview to Al Jazeera admitting that Israel treated al-nusra ( rebranded Al qaeda,/ supposedly did 9/11 and the reason the US went to the middle East after 9/11) soldiers and when asked why? Aren’t they your enemy ?,he said no they never attacked us, but didn’t they attack your closest ally? Well that’s not us. Would you ever treat Hamas or Hezbollah? No , never.

    If Al-qaeda did 9/11 why would we then help them in Syria?
    Well I guess it’s not that crazy being that Israel actually did 9/11 and we aid them all the time.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

    Are you aware this crazy scary terrorist organization ISIS that is supposedly wickedly anti-Semitic( actually all three major abrahamic religions followers are semites, it was initially a term used by Aryan pagans as a pejorative against monotheists,and the fact that Israel coopted it , just shows the solipsism)

    http://www.quick-facts.co.uk/religion/semitic.html

    accidentally attacked Israel and then apologized right after? ( Don’t want your bosses angry at you I guess )

    https://www.newsweek.com/isis-fighters-regret-attacking-israel-apologize-defense-minister-591020

    Are you aware that per Viktor ostrovsky , former mossad agent, Israel had foreknowledge of the 1983 Beirut marine barracks bombing, where 241 marines perished?

    http://thewaronliberty.com/beirut-marine-bombing-a-mossad-false-flag-operation-to-create-us-animosity-towards-the-arab-world/

    With allies like Israel, who needs enemies?

    Never Forget………….Israel did 9/11

    Always remember…..

    The six quadrillion.

    Do you think it’s just cohencidence that when amy berg and gabe Hoffman made the documentary” deliver us from evil” about Catholic pddopholia, they won an Oscar but when they made one ” an open secret” about Hollywood pedophilia, they couldn’t even get a distributor.

    https://m.imdb.com/title/tt3677412/

    Do you think that Israel made the right calculus deciding to finance Epstein and help get him a slap on the wrist for molesting untold girls below the age of consent, so that he could try and accumulate enough blackmail material that bill Clinton could not try and pull a Jimmy Carter and try and demand Israel make nice with Palestine.

    https://www.unz.com/wwebb/former-spy-details-israels-main-motive-behind-epsteins-sexual-blackmail-operation/

    Do you think it is just a cohencidence that ex mossad officers helped both Epstein and Weinstein intimidate their victims for years into silence? Do you think Israel views this as a mistake or just bad optics?

    Isn’t it ironic that woody (child molestors)Allens gay son Ronan Farrow ( some people say he’s Frank Sinatra’s and being that he has a set of balls it kind of makes sense) has been the driving force behind Weinstein’s sins coming to light. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want what happened to his sister to happen to anyone else.

    What is it about Jews/ zionists that makes them so morally upstanding that when they collaborate with Nazis, it’s a good thing, but when anyone else did it , they can be criticized for it in perpetuity?

    Is chutzpah the best explanation for why Jews are approx 80 times more likely to be billionaires than goyim? Because it can’t be intelligence ,due to the fact that even though Jews are SLIGHTLY more intelligent than white goys , being there are so many more of us,at any given level of IQ ,there are vastly more of us than Jews. Or is it just as likely that some Jew ( Jesus) way back, taught us the errors of being covetous?
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/05/06/philip-green-jewish-criminality-and-the-cost-of-economic-parasitism/

    Or maybe we are more likely to be able to get women on the strengths of our personalities , and don’t require a dragons treasure lair worth of money to get laid?

    Do you think if hasids could have televisions, they would be less likely to f&$# their children?

    https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11

    Why do you think Jews always ostracize and persecute morally courageous individuals like Jesus, Ron Unz, Gilad Atzmon and Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, who try and teach us all about not being covetous, and not molesting children and to pursue truth and good will among all, but constantly make excuses for financial swindlers and war criminals , and grant rights of Aliyah to pedophiles?

    Why do so many perpetrators of financial chicanery ( Milken, boesky,Madoff, Belfort) have the people who play them in the inevitable movies , almost always end up being goys?
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/01/15/how-they-continue-to-lie-to-us-the-richard-gere-film-arbitrage/
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2020/02/09/vulture-capitalism-jews-and-hollywood-part-1/

    If Jews aren’t more likely to love money, why is there so much evidence that large amounts of Jews don’t consider white collar crime, to be crime?

    Do you think that’s any reason why somebody who steals a couple hundred million can get less time than a guy who robs a liquor store, or is that just a cohencidence?

    Thanks in advance.

    • Thanks: Poco
    • Replies: @anarchyst
  205. This is a good time to re-visit the tragic story of the USS LIBERTY. The entire story is rarely told, and even when articles such as Mr. Giraldi’s post here, the depth of the conspiracy remains underwater. For those who want to know who the conspiritors were, both Israeli and American, I recommend Joan Mellen’s book “BLOOD IN THE WATER: How The USA and Israel Conspired to Ambush the USS LIBERTY”
    It was no coincident that the LIBERTY having been denied a destroyer escort, she sailed alone and slowly at 5 knots off the coast of Eygypt. They had no knowledge that CIA Counter Intelligence Cheif James Angleton HQ’d in Israel and close friends with Mossad Cheif Meir Amit had developed a false flag attack that had it worked would have resulted in a Nuclear War.
    On June 8, 1967 the USS LIBERTY had spotted a submarine periscope that seemed to be shadowing her. There was no way to tell who it belonged to, as the Americans had 2 subs in the area and Russia 5 or 6 nuclear armed.
    The Israeli/USA goal was to sink the Liberty with loss of all hands, no witnesses Once that was complete the USA was to blame Eygpt and attack Cairo with nuclear weapons. At the time Nasser was close with the USSR, and had the nuclear attack happend (the planes were 6 minutes away) Russia would have used her submarine nukes on Israel. Israel’s motives through all this was to grab as much land as she could before the world woke up.
    On that day there were 2 US carriers: the America (nuclear armed) and the conventionally armed USS Sarratoga, both stationed in Italy. When it appeared the Liberty was sinking the order to launch the nuclear armed planes was given. When it became clear that the Liberty was not going to sink with all hands, and there would be witnesses alive to testify Israel as the attacker, after speaking with Robert McNamara, the now paniced Adm. McCain called the flights back. The jets carrying nukes could not land ‘hot’ on the America so they had to detour and offload their nuke cargo on a close by Island. Maybe Malta. The planes that did return to their carriers were refitted with proper air to air weapons and launched to rescue the Liberty. When Pres. Johnson learned of this his response was : “I want that fucking boat (the Liberty) on the bottom”. Recall those planes.
    Anyone with an intrererst in this must read Joan Mellen’s book “BLOOD IN THE WATER: How The USA and Israel Conspired to Ambush the USS LIBERTY”. Learn who the heroes and who the traitors are. I doubt you find this in any Library, but it’s only $27. BUY IT

  206. @vot tak

    For this reason, along with a long list of non related ones, I think we are due to see a row of guillotines erected on the Washington Mall. Then we need bloodthirsty mobs to drag many swamp creatures to the mall to be dispatched to their fates.

  207. anarchyst says:
    @AaronB

    Israel should have been turned into a “glass parking lot” on 9 June 1967.

  208. lloyd says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    If you read the Old Old Testament Prophets, the things they say do echo modern Israel as the modern “gay capital of the world” and its defiance of international moral law. So to evangelical Christians this is the fulfillment of God’s plan. They are after all praying for the destruction of Israel and the conversion to Christianity. To a educated person this is an odd way to think. But the foundation of America was the seventeenth century, the century of millennialism. Educated America moved on. They haven’t. In that, they parallel the Likuds. So not surprising, they are devotees.

    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @Colin Wright
  209. anarchyst says:
    @Anon

    I CHEER when I hear of jews getting “Madoffed” serves ’em right…greedy bastards.

  210. Rurik says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I didn’t see where Rich implied anything about Mr. Unz in his reply, let alone an insult.

    Indeed, it looks to me like it’s you who’s insulting Mr. Unz by association.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  211. Anon[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @Technomad

    The last POTUS to stand up to Israel , other than bush 1 for a couple weeks, and Obama just a tidge, was JFK. He made the American Zionist council register as a foreign agent, and attempted to stop them from getting nuclear weapons ,and told them if they were rich enough to be pursuing nukes( without letting the US know) , then the US should not be giving them aid.

    Also in Eisenhower’s 1915 west point graduating yearbook, he was identified as ” the swedish Jew”

    • Agree: Black Picard
  212. @Anon

    I believe, “Blood in The Water”, is the latest book on this subject…

    See…

  213. geokat62 says:

    Seems like Omar has been adequately “educated”:

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  214. @AaronB

    Interestingly, America only began taking a serious interest in Israel because of its success in that war, when it became apparent that Israel could be useful in America’s Cold War with the Soviets. Before that, the general American consensus was that Israel had no chance at survival.

    False.

    Not sure what you mean by “taking a serious interest in Israel.” We essentially blackmailed our ally the United Kingdom by effectively threatening to withhold desperately needed economic aid to help force through the kind of solution the Zionists and American Jewry wanted in Palestine after WW II despite Jewish terror attacks against the British.

    There was no consensus that Israel had would not survive. What there was was a recognition that taking a leading role in imposing a Jewish, supremacist state on what had theretofore been an Arab majority population was bad strategy and sure to alienate most of the region, which it immediately began to do.

    The overwhelming success of Israel in 1967 seemed to make it a potentially useful strategic asset. But that notion didn’t survive 1973 when Israel came pleading for/demanding help to deal with the incompetent Egyptians and Syrians. From the late 1970s and especially with the major Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 leading to the Marine barracks and US embassy bombings in Beirut, any pretense that Israel was a strategic asset should have disappeared. After the fall of the Soviet Union, Israel became a strategic albatross around the neck of the US.

    In any case, Israel’s supposed strategic value in protecting the Gulf oil fields from potential Syrian and Egyptian attack was always a mirage. Neither country could have moved an armored division 50 miles much less have gotten anything across the Arabian Peninsula to the Gulf.

    Israel…made a tremendous effort to get American blessings for a military effort to break Egypt’s illegal blocking of the Suez Straits and ammassing its armies on Israel’s borders threatening to destroy Israel.

    Permission was categorically denied by America.

    False.

    First, feature in question was the Strait of Tiran leading into the Gulf of Aquaba. The Strait of Jubal at the opening of the Gulf of Suez had nothing to do with the war.

    Second, “permission” was not “categorically denied.” Publicly and semi-publicly, Johnson said effectively that we would not save Israel if it got into trouble. (“Israel will not be alone unless she chooses to be alone.”) This was academic, as Israel knew that the Arabs were totally inept. But through direct channels, Johnson told Israel that he would not do what Eisenhower did and force Israel to give up what it might take from the Arabs in the impending war. It was not quite a green light but almost.

    Finally, and most significantly, the biggest reason that Israel, from the late 1960s onward, became central to US policy in the Middle East was because that time frame corresponded to the rise in power of political Jewry in the US. The 1967 war was a checkered flag, but the main issue was that disloyal, self-interested Amercian Jewry from this point in time had the political power to impose most of its preferences in the Middle East on the US policy process no matter how antithetical to long-term US interests those preferences might be.

    So, you have told a series of lies here, you deceitful Jew, but as lying is second nature to a Jew, I’m sure that none of us is surprised in the slightest.

    • Agree: ivan, FLgeezer
    • LOL: AaronB
  215. Robjil says:
    @lloyd

    The Jewish religion’s mania to destroy other tribes is the problem. Why does it have a endless drive throughout its history to rule over all non-Jews and destroy them?
    I started looking at ancient religions on the net. Perhaps, some other ancient people had such perspectives.

    Amazon tribes have this viewpoint.

    “Rather than viewing humanity as the ruler of the earth or its future conqueror”, he writes, “rural Amazonians typically acknowledge the agency of a wide number of nonhuman others that challenge human intentions and desires”.

    https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/animism-in-amazonia/

    Siberians and Eskimos of North America have this viewpoint.

    The languages the different tribes use are various, but many of them belong to Uralic – Yukagiran, Altaic and Eskimo-Aleutian ethnolinguistic group.
    The religion of people in indigenous Russia is strongly connected with nature. This type of religion called animism means that non-human entities, such as plants or animals, possess a spiritual essence as well as the natural phenomenon, such as sun, moon, stars, water and fire. They believe that each plant or animal has a soul. The ancestral cult is also an essential part of their religion. The belief that worshipping these spirits – spirits of their ancestors, spirits of animals and plants, earth – water spirits – will help them solve their problems.

    https://www.56thparallel.com/indigenous-russia/

    Africans have this viewpoint.

    “The Zulu culture has a strong belief in Ancestors “Amadlozi” regarding connecting with them to appease or release or ask for certain things. They are regarded as our guides and are composed of people we know who have left this planet. Constellating an unresolved issue is similar to doing a ceremony, talking to ancestor/s asking for forgiveness or connecting those who have left the planet in conflict.”

    anjameyburgh.co.za/hellinger-in-south-africa-a-story-of-the-zulu-origins-of-family-constellations/

    Ancient Egyptians had this viewpoint.

    Through numerous clues and findings, it is evident that the Ancient Egyptians went through a phase known as animism or animatism. This is the belief in which one believes that nearly all objects in the universe have a soul and a personality just like humans. What brought about such a belief? It all started with the experience of a dream or the “phenomenon of sleep.” This “phenomenon” caused Egyptians to conclude that all humans possess another self or a living palimpsest (that is, a being inside another being, which exists at the same time as the other, yet is hidden). It was with the notion of another self that the Egytians further concluded that it would continue to exist after death, which is the foundation of the Egyptians’ belief in an Afterlife, an idea that other modern religions share.

    http://egyptologypage.tripod.com/religion.html

    There is nothing about denigrating and destroying people outside their tribe. Why does Judaism have this drive to destroy people outside their tribe? It is not a normal human drive.

    • Thanks: Rurik
    • Replies: @lloyd
    , @Adûnâi
  216. @AaronB

    Actually, the cost to America of its other international commitments have been ridiculously greater than Israel.

    Yes, that’s because Western Europe and East Asia were major strategic prizes worth defending though the specific moves taken at various times can be debated.

    Since Israel is a net negative strategically, it doesn’t matter how much or little has been spent on it, because it has not contributed to US strategic success but to its long-term debilitation.

    Of course it is absolutely false that no US troops have died fighting for Israel. Most of our engagement in Middle East wars–Lebanon 1983, the invasion of Iraq and the destabilization of Syria–have been largely about trying (in vain) to complete the project of imposing a state of European Jews on an unwilling regional population. And we know that both bin Laden and al Zawahiri found the Jewish conquest of Palestine to be formative events in their radicalization and subsequent attacks on the US. The Neoconservatives and the Israel Lobby (the two heavily overlapped) pushed our disastrous descent into the Iraqi quagmire. And dishonest, conniving Jews have been trying ever since to exculpate themselves and obscure their central perfidy in the business.

    So yes, US troops and civilians have died for Israel and never in pursuit of authentic US strategic objectives, but in an attempt to satisfy the demands of disloyal Jewry that their goals become everyone else’s.

    Considering the intelligence benefits, the technology benefits, and the real time testing of American combat systems that Israel provides, as well as its role during the Cold War of stemming the tide of Communism, the trivial by international standards sums America spends on Israel is money well spent.

    Well, I always say that there is no lie a Jew won’t tell, and this is certainly a case in point. Jews love to make lists of the benefits Israel supposedly confers on the US. This is utter nonsense. The loss of prestige the US has suffered, as we have prioritized Israel over any real strategic concern in the Middle East and been pushed by our disloyal Jews into one failed venture after another, would trump any list of benefits even if those were real, which most them are manifestly not.

    China should be thanking American Jewry for imposing its own narrow interests on US policy to the detriment of the loyal segments of the American people and thereby helping to facilitate the strategic rise of China. Jews are truly a curse on any nation whom they infest.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • LOL: AaronB
  217. This incident was a not so well hidden fact as so many journalist of today speak of, and US was a lot more involved than just as observers and the ships primary mission was to Monitor Arab forces, pass info to US Mediteranean Carrier battle group for retransmit to Israel military.
    The US military planners thought it would be a long drawn out war, one where Israel lacked the actual and replacements for combat losses of planes, armor, transport, and munitions themselves, and US navy was to be their supply lines.
    That resupply also included aircraft, their fuel and nmunitions, all aboard US vessels.
    The Secrecy blanket did not just cover those of USS Liberty, but all of that Mediteranean Fleets Officers, and lower in the know, personnel.
    It also extended to “All” US and allied nations journalism outlets, as there were very many foreigners covering from within nations throughout Israeli and Arab forces.
    Most writers of today and recent past try to imply that there would of been some massive civil/political chaos by American populace if full story came out at event time, but would there of been needs to be debated in the standards social structures of US society, not in light of those journalist who grew to maturity after Viet War civil turmoil.
    Was US military/political caught between a rock and hard place, to have tried to blame Arab forces would of seen an even more bloodthirsty cry for Revenge against Arabs than the over 80% approval of invading Afghanistan and Iraq.
    And lest not forget Israel’s war was partially a proxies war by US against growing Soviet Russian military industrial and political gains in amost all ME nationalist interest.
    In US the antiwar was fighting against 5 generations of military mindset, and yes at first entry to Viet Jam those journalist who later became antics were f’n raving flag waving supporters of war.
    Who were the planes and pilots upon those carrier decks destined for; Remember since 1950’s , who knows today as US/Israel are integrated Command, a Jewish officer was allowed to participate in Israel military actions, granted leave, and could return to previous post with no loss of time and grade.
    It took over 55,000 dead and hundreds of thousands of wounded American GIs in Vietnam before the mindset of those previous generations would temporarily shut the f up.
    Loyalty to the “Uniform” was always stronger than Loyalty to nation and that mindset is fully engaged throughout US from kindergarten to grave today.

    • Disagree: thotmonger
  218. @Alden

    Wrong by the distance of a galaxy, genius. Obviously you don’t read my regular responses here.

  219. @geokat62

    Could not resist a little grin as Ilhan was dead-on with the Benjamins, and she now has ambition & “Down with Iran” vision.

    Thanks, geo.

    Is getting ahead by giving The Lobby head.

    Selah, How many Knesset West Congress cases of non-Corono death and life by deadly fealty to Israel?

    • LOL: geokat62
    • Replies: @Black Picard
  220. @Oscar Peterson

    @AaronB

    I was pretty sure that “LOL” was all you would be able to manage.

    What a sad, little creature you are.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • LOL: AaronB
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  221. @Oscar Peterson

    Hey Oscar!

    Depending upon having a good & manageable health care plan, maybe “many sad little creatures” could be helped by my broke State’s transgender Secretary of Health, Dr. Rachel Levine.
    Fyi, to take patient temperatures, I reckon the doc favors use of anal thermometers. Woohoo.

  222. @lloyd

    ‘If you read the Old Old Testament Prophets, the things they say do echo modern Israel as the modern “gay capital of the world” and its defiance of international moral law. So to evangelical Christians this is the fulfillment of God’s plan. They are after all praying for the destruction of Israel and the conversion to Christianity. To a educated person this is an odd way to think. But the foundation of America was the seventeenth century, the century of millennialism. Educated America moved on. They haven’t. In that, they parallel the Likuds. So not surprising, they are devotees.’

    You’re massively overestimating the sophistication of these people. They’re not delving into the fine points of theology — if you’re lucky, they actually read the Bible.

    They just want something tangibly religious and transcendent in their lives. They seize upon Israel.

    Therefore, unseize them. Wreck that pathetic illusion. I’m sorry, but…

  223. @Rurik

    You are on my Ignore list but, as a charitable gesture to you and others of similarly limited cognitive ability I shall help you understand. To start with you have to read more than just one comment. If you did you would know that I had said I was picking up the use of “retatd” from Ron. The dim “Rich” then deemed the use of “retard” an offense against the rules of proper behaviour and thereby, as a matter of logic, insulted Ron, not just me. QED

    • Thanks: Rurik
  224. @ploni almoni

    Isn’t there some medicine to control that sort of thing? Even in America I would hope Big Pharma would lower the cost to desperate families.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  225. @AaronB

    AaronB:

    The only reasons Islam wants to destroy Israel today is out of a feeling of inadequacy at its own state – but that state is also why it can’t. But they go together, and disappear together

    Not entirely fair to say “Islam”. I’d say “the Arab street, and a good proportion of Arab elite”. A century after the collapse of the Ottomans, the Arab (really, MENA) world does not produce much that the “West” (industrialized world, incl’g Asia) wants (beyond the underground black gooey stuff in some places), but, they *do* want to consume much that the West/1st world produces, so it’s an ongoing humiliation. Things are changing, slowly, and Arabs are starting to get the hang of working their “consent of the governed” muscles.

    • Replies: @anon
  226. lloyd says: • Website
    @Robjil

    Jewish Old Testament religion is not unique there. Even there, it is really God who is thoroughly blood thirsty and the ancient Hebrews were reluctant followers. No doubt many would contest me there. The genocide of the Amaleks was originally opposed by King Saul who initially treated the King of the Amaleks like Chief Sitting Bull. The Aztecs ran an Empire based on slaughter and cannibalism. Yet they were culturally very sophisticated, good town planning, high moral education. At least that is what the history books say. Zionism which has its roots in the Jewish culture is one strand of it and the signs are its support is falling fast. Benjamin Netanyahu is making it indefensible by not disguising it anymore.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  227. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Bruce Robbins: He knocked my socks off when I read “The Invention of the Jewish People”, a year after it was translated. The first thing to hit me was that they lied to me in all those years of Hebrew school. Frankly the thing that I liked best about Hebrew school was Jewish history partly because it didn’t mean actually learning Hebrew and partly because the stories were just amazing. The first day the history books were handed out I brought mine home and read the whole book. I like stories, and ended up making a life out of them. So the fact that the destruction of the second temple in 70 CE was followed by the exile of the Jews by the Romans– I didn’t remember much of that history, but I remembered that.

    And it turns out that this seems to be made up! How is it possible that this could have gone unquestioned for so long? Shlomo Sand looked for the sources and tried to track them all down. It wasn’t just that the exile is very very important to the fundamental Zionist narrative of exile and return; but also I had this personal feeling of having been lied to.

    That isn’t just: You should support Israel. They are not lying when they say that; that’s their view. I’m free to say I don’t feel like it, Israel should behave better. But when they say the Romans exiled the Jews, it turns out this is a made up story, and I can suddenly see the logic of it. Because what did the Romans want out of the people of Palestine? They wanted people to tend the flocks and grow the grain and grow the grapes and they would take their percentage. They didn’t move in Romans to do that work, wherever they went they got the local population to do it.

    How could I have been so dumb as to not question this myself!

    The second thing that grabbed me is when he said that the very likely origin of the Ashkenazis is this Khazar kingdom in the 800s. A Turkic people converted to Judaism at that moment when the peoples of the region were trying to decide which monotheism they were going to go with. There is no controversy about that; there are these letters in the Cairo Geniza in which the king of the Khazars says, OK, we’re Jews now, tell us what to do. That’s pretty well documented. –https://mondoweiss.net/2020/05/what-kind-of-jew-is-shlomo-sand/Bruce Robbins, an English literature professor and political theorist at Columbia University

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  228. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @04398436986

    The only reasons Islam wants to destroy Israel today is out of a feeling of inadequacy at its own state”

    But the Jewha also says that Arab wanted to destroy Israel in 48, 65 and 73 when Israel was basket case of loiterers,terrorists, filthy ghetteo descendants and totally dependent on big powers as Weizman reckoned and Times reported .

  229. @KA

    Thank you very interesting. I think I remain a philosemite on the simple ground that Jews make life more interesting😎

    Mind you having tall blue eye’d very smart and attractive blondes in the extended family who are more Ashkenazi than anything Anglo-Celtic helps. Also a rabbi friend who goes to Israel but I think I know well enough to describe Moses to him as a genocidal psychopath. And I think he would probably say “sadly ” if I described some of the earliest Zionists as brutal thugs. Do I dare tease him with that?

    It is of course ridiculous that commenters here refuse to look at genetic studies on the ground that they are (they suspect) done by and paid for by Jews. Haven’t they noticed the contrarian streak in many Jewish scholars? Haven’they noticed Israeli archaeology which is far from conforming the stories in the Hebrew Bible?

    PS How many of the Khazars became Jews? And how did any of them acquire Yiddish as a language if it wasn’t brought to Poland/Lithuania in the 11th century from the West?

    • Replies: @KA
  230. Robjil says:
    @lloyd

    Good catch, I forgot about the Aztecs. The Aztecs religion was based on fear like the Jewish Old Testament. The Aztecs feared nature and appeased it with human sacrifices. The Jewish Old Testament is based on fear of Yahweh and non-Jews. Seven nations to destroy was the theme that created Israel. Today we have the same theme of destroying Seven nations playing out in the Middle East with the US as the Golem.

    http://www.legendsandchronicles.com/ancient-civilizations/the-ancient-aztecs/aztec-religion/

    The forces of the sun and the moon, affecting the balance of nature and required balance. All aspect of human life activities were also influenced by religion including childbirth, agriculture, and the Aztec seasons. Aztec religion revolved around maintaining this balance to preserve life on earth and it was believed that the more offerings they give to their gods, the more the gods blessed their way of life and the anger of the gods would be avoided. Thus, the Aztec people ensured that human sacrifices were done regularly and their offerings were scheduled around the Aztec calendar as each of the gods were given their own festival.

  231. @ChuckOrloski

    Ilhan Omar is a fcuking disgrace for her hypocrisy against Iran while kissing AIPAC ass. What a turncoat & a hypocrite…so embarrassed that she’s a black politician who is supposed to represent the best interests of her constituents.

    And please Unzers, don’t call Ill-han an “Afro-American”. That term should be reserved for assimilated blacks whose Christian ancestors were born in the US from descendants of slaves where many fought in the Civil War for freedom, and in World War 1 & 2 (under extreme racial conditions foisted upon them by an allegedly “conservative Christian” white society).

    These very same assimilated Afro-Americans also have a tradition of proudly serving in the US military — although I doubt if any of them know that their real Commander In Chielf is Lord Rothschild, owner of the private “Federal” Reserve.

    Sometimes, I don’t really “get” Western society though. Blacks like Ill-han can now get elected in America today…

    But back then, when it really mattered for blacks – as a race – to get on the right development path, road blocks everywhere when it came to the daily grind. We had good exceptional black leadership who could’ve uplifted Christian Afro-American society back then.

    However, conservative Christian whites of J. Edgar Hoover’s ilk colluded to assassinate the visionary & pragmatic black nationalist, Malcolm X. Same thing for the Christian preacher Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. who was only trying to prevent blacks from getting lynched & being 2nd class citizens back then – especially since slavery was over. But nope, can’t have that.

    So today we have degenerate black leadership like Ill-han, Maxine Waters, Donna Brazille, Condi Rice, Obama, Eric Holder, Lorreta Lynch, Sharpton et al who have been corrupted by the “same elements” that offed Mr. X. Kinda like Iran, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan & Syria can’t be left alone by the Deep State Establishment so they can develop.

    I just don’t get it. A dysfunctional Ill-han can get elected by the people, yet Malcolm X is gunned down because he had so much potential to influence & unite Afro-Americans that would’ve been a huge benefit to white society today.

    Now tell me, who is more likely to assimilate into American Christian society? The Muslim Ill-han Omar, or these brave Afro-Americans soldiers of yesteryear who went through Hell?

  232. Ron Unz says:
    @9593

    Lately there is the whacky-doodle notion that LBJ conspired with Israel to create a causus belli with the sacrifice of an American navy vessel. That, to get on the ground in the 1967 war with US troops. Holy Cow! Such nonsense. But it is a way to put the USS Liberty debate on the level of flying saucers and draw in the crazies. So the affair becomes an eye-roller. The diversion comes from the book, “Blood in the Water”, by Joan Mellen, of Temple University, retired….She Joins A. Jay Cristol in taking one for the team in reputational risk, except to be defended by a phalanx of syncophants. I’m surprised that Richard Falk was taken in by this nonsense.

    I agree 100%.

    I made a somewhat similar point last year:

    While some of the material is interesting, I was *extremely* disappointed overall. Most of the claims seemed utterly outlandish and seemingly based upon almost no solid evidence, while even appearing to contradict each other from one page to the next.

    Her “theory” is that LBJ and several of our highest-ranking government and military officials planned the attack on the Liberty in collaboration with the Israelis. Now that’s somewhat implausible, but it gets much, much worse. She goes on to say that the plan was to blame the attack on the Egyptians and use it as an excuse for a US nuclear-strike(!) against Cairo, immediately followed by an all-out US nuclear first strike against the entire USSR(!). But because the Liberty didn’t sink, World War III was called off…

    Moreover, the editing of the book is absolutely appalling, among the worst I’ve ever encountered, with almost the same identical passage written again and again and again, and with dreadfully bad organization.

    It seems to me if you’re making the most absurdly ridiculous “conspiratorial” claims about a controversial subject, you should try at least to proofread your book a little, so the presentation isn’t as extremely bad as the theory is implausible.

    https://www.unz.com/article/iran-delenda-est/#comment-3355102

    The only reason I doubt that the Mellen book was an outright “false flag operation” is that the editing was appallingly bad, and if it were a Neocon project, they probably would have paid for a proofreader.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
  233. @Ron Unz

    RU, my comment #15 above sailed way over the heads of the types of readers this site attracts.

    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-war-crimes-have-killed-americans/#comment-3877447

    • Replies: @fnn
  234. Dago dingo says: • Website
    @lloyd

    The sick psychopaths in both the U.S and Israel, will hopefully one day be brought to justice, until then all we can do is keep waking the planets sheep up to what is happening on our planet.

  235. vot tak says:
    @mcohen

    Thanks, now I know miriam pensack is a zionazi who defends/promotes israeli interests. Since I had never heard of her before, this is useful information should I see another article from her.

  236. KA says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Your comment is always interesting . I want it keep it simple here . Jews were not forced out . They had been leaving for more economically ripe places for centuries before and they continued to do so for centuries after the Roman’s gutting the temple .

    There is clear racial element in how Sheperdic jews are treated and have been over the years . I wonder why if they had descended from the same stock .

  237. Trinity says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Good gawd, what is that? Wait a minute. (((Levine?))) Never mind, just another cohencidence.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  238. RodW says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    It’s interesting that LBJ was so fascinating to a Jewish writer as to merit a multi volume biography. I also find it slightly peculiar that LBJ had a mother and sister called Rebekah — an odd choice of name for a nice Christian girl. And Lady Bird had a distinctly Semitic look. I could swear there was some hidden current there.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Hibernian
  239. vot tak says:

    The Liberty was a converted merchantman. These ships have minimum defensive architecture. It takes much less to sink a merchant than a purpose built naval vessel of the same approximate size. The israelis hammered away at this vessel with multiple bombing and strafing runs, yet failed to cripple the ship. They used mtbs to torpedo and strafe her, only 1 torpedo out of 5 or 6 fired actually hit.

    The israelis were trying to sink this ship and make sure there were no survivors. Yet they completely failed, despite having an unopposed go at her. Their 1 to 2 hour air and naval attack failed to sink a weak and defenseless merchant ship. Not only that, they couldn’t kill the crew.

    The israelis are almost always credited with superior military prowess by western media and analysts, yet they failed to sink a merchant ship. This israeli attack on the Liberty shows what actual israeli military skill is. Incompetent. The lauded israeli military superman image promoted by western media and analysts is essentially hype and propaganda to conceal what is actually a very cowardly and essentially incompetent military.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  240. vot tak says:
    @Ahoy

    The zionazi-(very)gay michael [th]avage is about as pro-israel/Islamophobic as these subhuman freaks get.

  241. geokat62 says:
    @RodW

    I could swear there was some hidden current there.

    A key resource for uncovering that hidden current is the unpublished 1989 doctoral thesis by University of Texas student Louis Gomolak, “Prologue: LBJ’s Foreign Affairs Background, 1908-1948.”:

    Lyndon Johnson’s maternal ancestors, the Huffmans, apparently migrated to Frederick, Maryland from Germany sometime in the mid-eighteenth century. Later they moved to Bourbon, Kentucky and eventually settled in Texas in the mid-to-late nineteenth century.

    According to Jewish law, if a person’s mother is Jewish, then that person is automatically Jewish, regardless of the father’s ethnicity or religion. The facts indicate that both of Lyndon Johnson’s great-grandparents, on the maternal side, were Jewish.

    These were the grandparents of Lyndon’s mother, Rebecca Baines. Their names were John S. Huffman and Mary Elizabeth Perrin. John Huffman’s mother was Suzanne Ament, a common Jewish name. Perrin is also a common Jewish name.

    Huffman and Perrin had a daughter, Ruth Ament Huffman, who married Joseph Baines and together they had a daughter, Rebekah Baines, Lyndon Johnson’s mother. The line of Jewish mothers can be traced back three generations in Lyndon Johnson’s family tree. There is little doubt that he was Jewish.

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/05/jewish-site-claims-lbj-was-a-jew/

    • Thanks: RodW, ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  242. @geokat62

    Interesting but I think the suggestion that there is a hidden current to uncover is misguided because it is anachronistic to read back into Johnson’s lifetime views about Jews and Israel that may be appropriate now that Israel largely controls US ME policy and is strong and ruthless.

    He was quite an emotional man and interest in his own family background would surely have made a decent person living in a wealthy and secure country delighted to do the civilised thing for educated middle class people in danger. To my mind it virtually eliminates any need to posit a blackmail explanation for his support for Israel.

    So…. to back up …. I repeat too that there was absolutely no likelihood at all while 500,000 troops were trying to stay alive in an unpopular war in Vietnam that he was trying to set up a reason to nuke Egypt and/or otherwise start a war with the USSR.

  243. @J. R. Chloupek

    “… not even the pilots, as they must obey orders. “

    Absolutely wrong. It is illegal to follow illegal orders and that was established by international agreement at the Nuremberg trials in 1945.

  244. ivan says:
    @AaronB

    Absolutely wrong and delusional. When the Israelis in 1967 got the West Bank, it was touch and whether the Israelis could keep the Palestinians under the lid. In the event they had to come to King Hassan’s aid in 1969 to get rid of the PLO. Now imagine if you had crossed the Sinai into Cairo or the the Golan into Damascus do you really think that you could have kept those millions under control with your lines stretched all to the limit? The US in acting as a restraint was only in the best of Israeli interests. Old Jimmy Carter, bought off the Egyptians at Camp David, and permanently gave the Israelis a strategic advantage by taking Egypt – the largest Arab force – out of the Arab alliance, but he was later smeared as an antisemite merely because he considered Palestinians to have rights too.

    The Israeli-American shows of restraint could be viewed in real-time by the their actions in Lebanon. For as long as I can remember :
    a) the Israelis would invade
    b) there would be calls from the Arabs for a withdrawal
    c ) the US would stall for time at the UN till the Israelis had achieved their aims
    d) then and only then would the Americans let it come for a vote in the Security Council

    This was the pattern till 2006 when Hizballah inflicted serious casualties on the Israelis. It was not ‘restraint’ on the part of the Israelis that stopped them from sending their army into Lebanon after that but the stout abilities of the Hizballah itself.

  245. ivan says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Evangelicals cling to Israel; it’s about the only concrete thing they have.

    That is about the sum of it. The US itself could be going to hell in a handbasket, but as long Holy Israel’s interests are taken care of, God is in his high heaven and everything is all right with His world.
    The trouble is even in Old Testament terms the worship of the Israel and by extension the Jews is already a violation of the First Commandment. That is leaving aside such choice words that Jesus Himself used against his fellow tribesmen :

    John 8:44 King James Version (KJV)
    44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

  246. What is it that you — any of you — really want? A more proper remembrance of the event on behalf of the survivors? Or perhaps a more ambitious effort to out the fifth-column Israel First element still manipulating our politics and foreign policy? In any case, would it not help first off to have some consensus and support from the entire military community? If so, then reach out and share this message with all the military journals and publications. Get them to cover this story, the upcoming anniversary, and urge them to get real about the contemporary implications.

    Here is a partial list of journals: Air Force Magazine, Air Forces Monthly, Air and Space Power Journal, Strategic Studies Quarterly, Journal of European, Middle Eastern and African Affairs, Thirty Thousand Feet Aviation Directory, Journal of Indo Pacific Affairs, Armed Forces Journal, Jane’s Defense Weekly, Military Spouse Magazine, Military Heritage, Military Modellcraft, Saluting, Army Magazine, Military History, Combat Aircraft, Special Weapons, Defense Blog Magazine, Defense Update Magazine, Military Watch, Military Times, Soldiers of Fortune, European Defense Review…

    Or just here:

    http://www.world-newspapers.com/military.html

  247. Herald says:
    @anon

    Even the present news about the Corona virus, how much of the “official” government pronouncements can we believe?

    All politicians lie habitually and those who are best at it are eligible to become members of government. We can believe nothing governments they say, until we have proved it is true for ourselves.

  248. fnn says:
    @04398436986

    Now do the same pointless exercise with respect to the Lavon Affair.

    • Replies: @04398436986
  249. @Trinity

    Of all the good choices Pa Governor Tom Wolf (D/🕎) had to select for his Secretary of Health, the trangender, Dr. Rachel Levine, was Chosen.

    I posted a pic of the bleached-blonde Ms. Frizz,😳 and Trinity said, “Good gawd, what is that? Wait a minute. (((Levine?))) Never mind, just another cohencidence.”

    Haha, and a deep PsyOp (Zigh). “What is that?” That’s exactly what I thought, Trinity. Er…, consequently, am viral and antisemitic too? 🕵

    Down below, a Jerusalem Post article on Trumpstein’s State Department AnitiSemitism Monitor, Elan Carr, who will “push countries to love their Jews more.”

    Haha, to paraphrase the pop song lyric, “Pushy Jews are are killing me softly with their love.”😵

    https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/us-will-push-countries-to-love-their-jews-more-antisemitism-monitor-says-626936

    Selah, why does Israel fail to love it’s Palestinians and blacks more?

    • Thanks: Trinity
  250. Well yeah the Satanic Cabal runs it but they provide cover to the real Zionists and support to the gentile politicians that the Cabal owns.

    I guess these churches provide cover among the flock, but that’s about it. The real cover for Jewish power is provided by the media, entertainment industry, politicians, lawfare groups, pro-Jewish political groups, and their financial backers, which are not evangelical Christians.

    Nothing would change if evangelical Christians were raptured up to heaven right now, because they have no real voice in America despite their numbers. Even when they produce results at the ballot box, they are promptly stabbed in the back by the politicians that they elect.

    If evangelical Christians were the power behind Jewish power, then they would win on issues other than Israel, which they don’t.

    Jewish power tends to get its way on just about everything, whether Israel is involved, or not, in our rigged system, and everybody knows this. You likely know this also.

  251. @Ron Unz

    This book is documented front to back and how anyone can dispute Blood in the Water is a mystery.

  252. @jack daniels

    I was proposing a plan, broadly speaking, that would allow us to state our complaints about Israel without crippling fear based on realistic expectations of retaliation.

    Nothing you stated is sincere, right down to your Nazi party comment.

    Only a complete idiot would seriously consider flooding the U.S. with Muslims, or anyone else, in order to counteract Jewish influence. You don’t divide your own nation to get rid of a small band of crooks who are temporarily in charge. Dividing the nation with immigrants would serve to keep the crooks in power, which is why Jews push for immigration into all western nations. You know that. And it’s also obvious that Muslims in the West always join with Jews against the natives. Who do you think you are fooling?

    A serious plan would involve completely halting immigration, sending back all illegals and non-citizens immediately, ending chain migration and other benefits given to immigrants, promoting American workers and students, and working to undo the serious damage that Jews have done to racial and ethnic relations between the majority and minorities.

    Jews don’t fear a diluted and splintered nation, or Muslims. They fear a strong America with a solid and grounded white majotity, which is what they are trying to destroy.

    • Agree: geokat62, FLgeezer, Rurik
    • Replies: @jack daniels
  253. @fnn

    I’ll discuss the Lavon Affair with persons able to discern the Liberty CT as an obvious concoction to incite Israel-hatred, and usually all out Jew-hatred. It’s a CT that is rejected almost completely by the USA mil & intel communities, including persons who may be critical or leery of Israel on fact-based grounds and don’t want to associate with gutter dwellers. The exceptions, to a man, have a prior obsessive white hot hatred.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  254. @Wizard of Oz

    There is no medication for self delusion except truth. And for a Dualism, any Dualism, truth does not exist. For a Dualism truth is unimaginable. No truth but only “what is good for that Dualism.” (Sound familiar? Sounds like a virus, doesn’t it?) So the only solution is getting out of the Dualism altogether. Getting out as if it is the plague. Like getting a monkey off your back.

  255. Adûnâi says:
    @Robjil

    > “The Jewish religion’s mania to destroy other tribes is the problem. Why does it have a endless drive throughout its history to rule over all non-Jews and destroy them?
    I started looking at ancient religions on the net. Perhaps, some other ancient people had such perspectives.”

    Didn’t Romans destroy all of Italy, Hispania and Gaul so thoroughly, they all speak Latin? Didn’t they burn whole cities and sell their population into slavery? Your fixation on Jews betrays your ignorance.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  256. Adûnâi says:
    @SP

    > “The world is run by satanic pedos and people like Johnson, and most of the rest with power and status, have blackmail hanging over their heads of seriously bad stuff they have done.”

    The world is run by bleeding-heart Christians who will spend their last dollar and sell their last geopolitical interest to feed every shitskin child on the planet.

  257. The USS Liberty affair is like an old rusty spike in the devil’s heel. The evil system has succeeded in ridiculizing almost every important real conspiracy (Kennedy, 9/11…), especially by assimilating them in the public’s mind with “reptilian from sirius” or “flat earth” kind of stuff. Real conspiracies are succesfully put in the same bag. Except one : USS Liberty. So yes, altough it has no geostrategical actuality or urgency, it is still a big big threat to the system. Because When they hear about USS Liberty honest people come to realize that indeed a lot of important things and real conspiracies are hidden. From that they also come to realize that the politicians are afraid. And that this fear has only one explanation : a power in front of which they kneel, the opposite of democracy and freedom. So each time the US officials could honor the surviving members but don’t, the old spike hurts. It has still a great role to play in bringing the public to the truths of our time.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
  258. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Lately there is the whacky-doodle notion that LBJ conspired with Israel to create a causus belli with the sacrifice of an American navy vessel. That, to get on the ground in the 1967 war with US troops.

    Why every Good Goy knows that Israel is the USA’s bestest friend and would never EVER do something so sneaky and underhanded as to attack the Liberty to drag America into it’s never-ending ME land thefts.

    Why that’s almost as crazy as claiming that Israel had a hand in the 9/11 attacks to drag the US into fighting never-ending battles against Israel’s ME enemies.

    Now pass me the cream cheese.

    • Agree: Robjil, Black Picard
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Rurik
  259. Robjil says:
    @Adûnâi

    Pax Romana was a high point in human history, a time of Athenian debate and not a time of Jerusalem revelation as we have today. Romans would laugh at us for the way we are acting towards Israel and at Elan Carr’s Anti-Santa Clausim.

    http://www.essaysinhistory.com/pax-romana-war-peace-and-conquest-in-the-ancient-world/

    the Pax Romana resulted in actual benefits for aristocrats as well as for the general populace throughout the Mediterranean. Local as well as regional stability, growth of long-distance trade, and the reduction of violence from both within and beyond the Empire all came as a result of Roman rule. Most importantly, the Pax Romana ended the widespread local in-fighting that had consumed most of the Mediterranean before Roman hegemony.

    Romans created a good system of government for the local populations.

    Despite the violence and oppression that accompanied its establishment, peace was a reality, and by the 2nd century CE, the striking lack of rebellion throughout the empire on any large scale indicates the benefits of the Pax Romana for those living in the provinces. Thus, following Tacfarinas’ uprising in North Africa and the three Jewish rebellions in the first century CE, these regions saw little resistance to Roman control. Internal politics and rivalries always remained more influential than feelings towards Roman imperialism, and diplomacy always preceded the legions. Even during the famous rebellions of the Iceni under Boudicca and the rebellion under Arminius, the majority of the local population stayed loyal to Rome.

    Roman rule was never unbearable in its far flung empire.

    Roman rule was never so unbearable that an entire province chose to reject it. Nor did banditry throughout the Mediterranean represent some larger anti-Roman feeling among the populace. And while corrupt Roman governors did commit abuses, Goldsworthy argues that such governors were not the norm and were often punished by the emperor. For every Caeius Verras there was a Marcus Tullius Cicero. Goldsworthy holds that for the cities, day-to-day administration existed almost the same both before and after Roman occupation.

    One could travel quite freely all across the Med. sea with no barriers. This is something that has not happened since end of the Roman Empire.

    The Romans neither could nor wished to govern their affairs directly. Goldsworthy maintains that in an age before modern communication and transportation, the existence of the Pax Romana was impressive in its scope, longevity, and success. Creating relative peace across the Mediterranean is rare, even by today’s standards.

    • Replies: @ivan
  260. @ChuckOrloski

    Pathologies come in clusters, and a man who thinks he can become a woman by slicing his dick off has one obvious one and many others not so obvious. Always best to take everything such things say with a huge grain of salt.

    Riddle me: What is this penchant for people born homely men to die as homely “women,” e.g. this thing and that elephantine Pritzker thing?

  261. @Christophe GJ

    Agree, and since they got away with the attack on the Liberty and JFK’s assassination, this made their attack on the WTC possible.

  262. Rurik says:
    @Greg Bacon

    Lately there is the whacky-doodle notion that LBJ conspired with Israel to create a causus belli with the sacrifice of an American navy vessel.

    Why every Good Goy knows that Israel is the USA’s bestest friend and would never EVER do something so sneaky and underhanded as to attack the Liberty to drag America into it’s never-ending ME land thefts.

    What has been suggested is that the cowardly attack on the Liberty wasn’t Israel’s idea, but America’s. Or, more specifically, the LBJ administration, as a pretext for an all out war with Russia.

    I agree with Mr. Unz that such a ‘whacky-doodle’ hypothesis is ludicrous. And worse, an obvious attempt to ameliorate Israel’s guilt by blaming the victim.

    We can’t be sure, but for anyone who’s been paying attention, the attack on the Liberty was (obviously) just another in a long list of false flags by treacherous little Israel to get America to fight Israel’s well-earned enemies. So that no ‘precious Jewish fingernails’ might get a booboo, when you can get the stupid goyim to do your fighting for you.

    They’ve been using corrupt American politicians to lie American boys into dying in their wars going back at least to WWI.

    So any foolish nonsense about how it was LBJ who sent the Liberty to its doom for his own anti-Russian agenda, is just as idiotic as the idea that it was the smirking chimp who concocted the 9/11 attack to help his Big Oil buddies in Texas steal Iraq’s oil.

    IOW, a diversion from Israeli murderous treachery, for which America should have, (and should ; ) bomb the ever-loving-snot out of that shithole.

    Just sayin’

  263. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @AaronB

    Considering the intelligence benefits, the technology benefits, and the real time testing of American combat systems that Israel provides, as well as its role during the Cold War of stemming the tide of Communism, the trivial by international standards sums America spends on Israel is money well spent.

    Intelligence benefits? Like Israel spying on its US ally 24/7 so they can be one-step ahead of any negative news that might come out? Like the news about Israel getting free US military hardware, then reverse-engineering the same, slapping a Yid name on it and selling it our possible enemies, like Commie China? It’s not a coincidence that China’s version of our F-35 has many similarities. Or that air-to-air missile that Israel sold to China. Courtesy of Uncle Sucker.

    Maybe you wrote in jest, trying to be sarcastic, but Israel killing American soldiers, sailors and marines in cold blood is no laughing matter.

    “Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.”

    https://www.quotetab.com/quote/by-irving-kristol/senator-mcgovern-is-very-sincere-when-he-says-that-he-will-try-to-cut-the-militar

  264. Outstanding work as always Mr. Giraldi. Exposing Israel’s monumental criminality against America and the wider world is the most important task facing us today. Below is a similar blog I wrote highlighting Israeli treachery against America. Keep up the great work!

    https://naturalterraist.blogspot.com/2019/12/national-stockholm-syndrome.html?m=1

  265. Maybe you wrote in jest, trying to be sarcastic, but Israel killing American soldiers, sailors and marines in cold blood is no laughing matter.

    It probably is to the average Israeli or Jewish supremacist in America.

  266. Paul says:

    Israel is a rogue state.

  267. Wielgus says:
    @geokat62

    Wally’s party piece is denialism. The Holocaust is something he finds inconvenient so he denies it. Trump being just as Zionist as any other major player in US politics is inconvenient, so he denies it as well. My guess is that after a lifetime of real estate dealings in New York they have got stuff on Trump, so when they say jump, he asks, “How high?”

  268. My guess is that after a lifetime of real estate dealings in New York they have got stuff on Trump, so when they say jump, he asks, “How high?”

    Maybe. My guess is that after a lifetime of real estate dealings in New York, he was always one of them.

  269. ivan says:
    @Robjil

    Without Pax Romana the Jews would have been confined to Judea. Pax Romana enabled the Jews to travel unmolested throughout the Mediterranean. As usual the Romans get no credit from the Jews and their flunkies among the Christians who remain fixated on narratives such as the Maccabees – fanatics to the last man.

    • Agree: Robjil
  270. Hibernian says:
    @RodW

    Southern Christians are very knowledgeable about the Bible, including Old and New Testaments. It’s not implausible for them to have Old Testament names.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
  271. Hibernian says:
    @04398436986

    and don’t want to associate with gutter dwellers.

    Meaning the enlisted sailors and junior officers, along with at least one civilian, and at least one Naval equivalent of a field grade officer, who served on the ship. Classic example of the attitude of our “betters” towards the “peasantry,” as well as to members of the professional class who show some humanity, which isn’t appreciated by the elite.

    • Replies: @04398436986
  272. JamesinNM says:

    I have no doubt Israel would use a nuclear weapon within the U.S. without real provocation to further their objectives.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  273. anarchyst says:
    @JamesinNM

    You are absolutely correct.

    In fact, israel’s nukes are already pre-positioned in major cities around the world, and in the USA as well.

    Let’s not forget that Israel has blackmailed the world with its “Samson Option”.

    If a nuclear device is “lit off” in an American or European city, it will have Israel’s fingerprints all over it. Israel is desperate to keep the American money spigot running, as well as sabotaging the Palestinian “peace process” that the world wants it to take seriously.

    [MORE]

    In fact, if a nuclear device is “lit off” anywhere in the world, it will have come from Israel’s secret nuclear “stockpile”.

    With today’s situation in Iran, Israel may just have to “light one off” to get its “American lapdog” to respond appropriately.

    The “power outage” in Atlanta was a convenient excuse for Israel to perform a logistical “sleight of hand”, as an Israeli plane was allowed to land and take off during the “power outage” without receiving customs clearance or inspection.

    This is one of many Israeli companies that possesses a “special exemption” granted by the U S government that frees it from customs inspections.

    Just maybe another one of Israel’s nukes was just being pre-positioned or nuclear triggers (tritium) were being renewed, getting ready for “the big one”. As most

    Americans are tired of all of the foreign wars being fought for Israel’s benefit, another “incident” on American soil would be enough to galvanize the American public, once again, (just like WTC 9-11) to support another war for Israel’s benefit (Iran).

    Israel’s “samson option” is a real threat to “light one off” in a European or American city, if Israel’s interests are not taken seriously.

    Israel refuses to abide by IAEA guidelines concerning its nukes as they are already distributed around the world. Israel would not be able to produce all of them as most of them are not in Israel, proper.

    No delivery systems are needed as Israel’s nukes are already in place. Look for another false flag operation with the blame being put on Iran or Syria. You can bet that some Iranian or Syrian passports will be found in the rubble.

    Israel has also threatened to detonate nuclear devices in several US cities. Talk about total INSANITY; the so-called Samson Option is it.

    American foreign aid is prohibited from being given to any country that has not signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (the Symington Amendment)or refuses to abide by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) guidelines regarding its nuclear devices.

    Guess what??

    Israel does not abide by EITHER and still gets the majority of American foreign aid.

    This prohibition also applies to countries that do not register their agents of a foreign government with the U S State Department.

    Guess what??

    Israel (again) with its American Israel Political Action Committee (AIPAC) still gets “foreign aid” in contravention of American law..

    There are forty or so congressmen, senators and thousands of high-level policy wonks infecting the U S government who hold dual citizenship with Israel. Such dual citizenship must be strictly prohibited. Those holding dual citizenship must be required to renounce said foreign citizenship in order to remain in the country. Refusal to do so should result in immediate deportation with permanent loss of united States citizenship.

    Present and former holders of “dual citizenship” should never be allowed to serve in any American governmental capacity.

    In addition, any American citizen who serves or has served in Israel’s military (Israel Defense Forces) should automatically lose their American citizenship and be immediately deported to Israel.

    It is interesting to note that Mexican citizens cannot hold Mexican citizenship if they choose to become united States citizens. Mexican nationals must renounce their Mexican citizenship in order to become united States citizens. israeli are allowed to hold BOTH israeli and united States citizenship. Why the double standard?

    When Netanyahu addressed both houses of congress, it was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of Israel. It was a scene out of the old Soviet Politburo which no one wanted to be the first one to stop applauding.

    Just who the hell do they work for?

    Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States, at the least they should renounce their United States citizenship and be deported to israel. Being indicted, tried for treason against the united States of America would be appropriate.

    Let’s not forget the “loyalty oaths” to a foreign country (Israel) which American politicians are required to sign in order to receive “funding” from israel.

    As much as I despise the two moslem woman politicians, they were absolutely right to call out the rest of the politicians for signing “loyalty oaths” to israel.

    TREASON, anyone?

  274. snag says:

    Don’t hold your breath! He’s surrounded by zio-nazis, israel firsters and an evangelical freaks that can’t wait for Armageddon.

  275. JimDandy says:
    @Paul

    Those, and the theory that it was a false flag and Johnson was already in the process of taking steps to nuke Egypt in “retaliation” for the attack before the attack even occurred. My question is why Israel couldn’t sink the Liberty. Sinking a small ship seems pretty doable, especially when so much is at stake.

  276. @Hibernian

    Inspect your motivation for assigning nonexistent meanings. The gutter dwellers are those who would weaponize via conspiracy mongering a lethal friendly fire incident in furtherance of a genocidal agenda, including the people at this site against whom Western elites traditionally practice severe social distancing.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @jack daniels
  277. JimDandy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Another powerful piece from Philip Giraldi, American hero. I’m really just here for the hasbara hilarity, though. So, thanks for a good laugh, Oz.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  278. @JimDandy

    Spell it out chump. You seem from a previous Comment to have allowed the most absurd theory to float round the empty spaces of your mind.

    Did you not notice that Ron Unz in a Comment in reply to Commenter 9593 said he 100% agreed with
    the Commenter’s description, as follows:

    “the whacky-doodle notion that LBJ conspired with Israel to create a casus belli with the sacrifice of an American navy vessel”

    Are you going to tell Ron he is part of your “hasbara hilarity”?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  279. Inspect your motivation for assigning nonexistent meanings.

    Are you chsnneling Ayn Rand?

  280. Anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
    @Trinity

    Good on you.

  281. @Wizard of Oz

    I will choose to remain ignorant for now due to lack of time but perhaps note that reference. Thanks. But you yourself seem ignorant of Shlomo Sands’ The Invention of the Jewish People where from memory he tackles your point about Yiddish. I haven’t read that book recently but I think he says there was trade between the Yids and travelling German merchants leading to many German words or their variants being borrowed by Yiddish. Not a German dialect, not German grammar, not evidence that the Yids had come from Germany, just a large borrowed German vocabulary.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  282. @Wizard of Oz

    And on your point about only the elites, royalty and aristocracy, sorry, but in such a situation there has always been a population that quickly jumped on board. If the elite have adopted a new religion everyone soon (over a few generations) adopts that religion. Every generation has its ambitious ones who imitate the elites and cosy up to them. That’s how the English became Christians. And the Russians. Cyril didn’t preach to common Russians.

    And wasn’t the main move East about 1050? But no-one in between noticed a large foreign population passing through? Main move? There is no record or that. Invention.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  283. Hibernian says:
    @04398436986

    Inspect your own motivation. The “friendly fire incidents happen, deal with it” excuse is contemptible. An intelligence ship with at least one satellite dish and bristling with antennas mistaken for a transport ship? Through repeated passes? With a large American flag hoisted by the intel ship as an SOS?

    including the people at this site against whom Western elites traditionally practice severe social distancing.

    Those elites practice that distancing, as much as possible, against anyone outside their own very small circle. That’s what elites do.

  284. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I have long known of the book by Shlomo Sands but haven’t read it. It does sound like one of those examples of what I particularly in Jews – their enthusiasm for arguing and being interestingly contrarian.

  285. @Alden

    This is getting to be like discussions of the dozen versions of 9/11 Truth. I’m sure you can remember the version that tells us that Israeli insignia were obscured.

    My main point is to note that displaying a US flag would not necessarily, in the mind of the planes’ controller, prove that it was in fact a US ship.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  286. @Ron Unz

    It’s me, Ron. Wacky-doodle Dandy speaking. About a decade ago I watched on TV an account of the USS Liberty attack and the aftermath. I learned from that that the bombers sent to drop atomic bombs on Cairo were called back when the bad news that there were survivors became known.

    It occurred to me then that Israel would be taking an incredible risk trying to sink a USN ship and blame it on Egypt to pull the US into their war on their side. I decided then that there must have been a secret prior agreement or such orders could never have been given. From there I easily decided that LBJ must actually have suggested it, even urged them to do it to give him his baby Pearl Harbor allowing him to dive in.

    I didn’t notice the Vietnam War timing. Will have to ruminate on what 9593 and you have written. But as of now I still have no doubt that LBJ was the driving force behind the USS Liberty attack.

    • Replies: @Desert Fox
    , @Wizard of Oz
  287. Adûnâi says:

    An unpopular opinion – USS Liberty deserved it.

    Why would any healthy American love their régime and their soldiers? Were they used to safeguard the American continent against Negroes? No, they were used to give the Negroes equal rights. Were the soldiers used to protect anti-miscegenation laws? No, the state apparatus repealed all of them. Were there any soldiers rioting against the normalization of homosexual “marriage” in 2012? No, they supported it whole-heartedly.

    American soldiers deserve to be drowned in the deep sea.

    9/11, too, should be celebrated in the Fourth Reich as an attack on the idealist Christian colossus with the feet of clay.

    • Replies: @jack daniels
  288. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I agree with you statement of a general probability but it might be better to enlist the aid of someone who has studied the matter seriously. One of the reasons that the Judaic conversion mightn’t have caught on below the elites is that Judaism is said to be a religion of rituals and laws rather than of faith.

    I’m just interested enough to see whether Wikipedia has anything interesting and maybe true about the Polish Kong’s invitation

  289. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Get the book Blood in the Water, LBJ and the zionists and Israel are guilty of a diabolic war crime, book can be had on amazon.

  290. @OilcanFloyd

    I stick by my thesis and respond as follows:
    1. You describe WHAT a serious plan would do, but not HOW you would make this plan legislatively viable. You can’t “spread the word” because of stigma and censorship.
    2. All your goals related to immigration would be easy to achieve without the opposition of the Jewish lobbies.
    3. Therefore we are back to the original question: How do you get around Jewish legitimation and enforcement of censorship and stigmatization of opposing views?

    I cannot say what the downside of Muslim immigration would be, but I do feel confident of the upside, based on the example of Reps Tlaid and Omar. If Muslims in small communities “side with Jews” it’s because EVERYONE sides with Jews, because anyone who doesn’t runs into censureship, blacklisting, and financial and legal problems. In England the people who violate Jewish cultural dogmas eg by opposing radical sex education are mostly Muslims. They are not as easily silenced by money or law as post- Christians because they are very confident that Allah is on their side. The primary offshore audience for counter-Zionism/ counter-Semitism is in Muslim lands.

    But maybe you don’t care about rolling back the cultural changes induced by the various Jewish movements and their financial and legal backers. Are you pro-life? Gay marriage?

  291. @04398436986

    You are ignoring the obvious. All the survivors of the incident are convinced the Israelis recognized an American ship AND there is a US government transript of intercepted Israeli communications with the ship in which a pilot informs the base that the ship is American. You are deluded or trying to play people for fools.

  292. @Adûnâi

    Forgive me for mentioning the obvious, but those negroes were imported by whites in order to plow their fields as slaves, which was legal at the time. Would you have preferred that the navy blow up American merchant ships?

  293. Trinity says:

    WHEN or WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE FOR AMERICA TO DROP THIS SICK PHILO-SEMITIC LOVE OF ISRAEL? It would be bad enough to have more loyalty to another nation that was a LEGITIMATE ALLY, but to have loyalty to a nation that HAS STABBED AMERICA IN THE BACK OVER AND OVER is INSANE.

    Dump Israel and let them survive on their own. America gains absolutely NOTHING by this one sided relationship with the PARASITIC nation of Israel nor do we gain anything by having a bunch of dual citizen Jews in Washington and elsewhere helping run America into the ground. And destroying America and the West by these people is no accident, not for a minute, it has been meticulously planned out and orchestrated one small step at a time for at least a century now. You could say that Jews/Israel have been at war with White Gentiles for quite some time now, but Whites are so sick they think their enemy is their bestest best friend in the whole wide world of sports. SICK, SICK, SICK. It was Jews who helped Blacks take control in South Africa. Look at South Africa, Western White man, that is your future unless you WTF up.

    • Agree: Rurik, anarchyst
  294. @Wizard of Oz

    And an American flag would not make an Israeli controller think twice before ordering it sunk, would it? Even when his own pilots called it an “American ship.” Would anything stop him at all? You are not saying that he is completely depraved? Or are you?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  295. “Completely depraved” is possible but if one casts one’s mind over the variety of human behaviour one comes across in a few decades of reading and observing there are other plausible possibilities. An unlikely one to start with: the controller hates America because most of his family were turned away in the 1930s or 40s and didn’t survive WW2. But, more likely, bad decision under pressure and, to enlarge one’s imagination I invite attention to the Deputy Chief Harbour Master in Sydney who allowed the Ruby Princess to dock and disembark its passengers despite emails and instructions which, if he had interpreted them correctly by switching on his brain to full wattage, would have saved about as many lives as were lost on the USS Liberty.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  296. Hibernian says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Explain why they shot up the life rafts. That’s a war crime if done against an enemy.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  297. Dannyboy says:

    The Elites have no nation or loyalty beyond their own base interests. They could care less about “soldiers” and silly shit like anthems and flags.

    For laughter they make bread, and wine that the living may feast: and all things obey money.

  298. @Oscar Peterson

    ‘China should be thanking American Jewry for imposing its own narrow interests on US policy to the detriment of the loyal segments of the American people and thereby helping to facilitate the strategic rise of China. Jews are truly a curse on any nation whom they infest.’

    It’s possible you’re correct. Certainly Jews have been disproportionately prominent in the sabotage and ruin of various states: Russia, Germany under the Weimar Republic, the United States, and Great Britain all come to mind.

  299. @Hibernian

    Israel commits lots of crimes. Even 50 years on they have a breed of young men who aren’t revolted at the idea of shooting civilians to kill or maim even when they are not themselves in danger.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  300. @ploni almoni

    I replied but your Comment is not tagged in my reply.

  301. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    As you ruminate consider that there were over 500,000 young Americans in Vietnam, mostly unwillingly, and that, already in 1966, Macnamara had felt compelled to commit to Macnamara’s Folly aka Project 100,000. And you think Johnson was about to start a nuclear war against a Russian ally? (Where were they going to drop the nukes BTW? Wiping out Cairo or Alexandria wouldn’t be the aim, so…. where?).

  302. AaronB says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If like to see you, Wizard, stand opposite a crowd of a few thousand unarmed civilians, with only a chain link fence separating you, and whose stated intent is to destroy that fence and tear you limb from limb, then advance towards local towns and kill as many people as they can.

    As this crowd of unarmed civilians advances and reaches the fence, I would like to see you nobly refrain from using your weapon – after all, it would be wrong to shoot unarmed civilians, Wizard.

    You are armed, and they are unarmed – clearly they are no danger to you.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  303. JimDandy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Mmm… no, I wasn’t talking about Ron Unz–I was talking about you, boychik. And I’m absolutely, 100% sure that LBJ, at the very least, was a primary force behind the shameful, treasonous cover-up of the deliberate Israeli murder of U.S. servicemen. Beyond that, show me the exact quote that I wrote that you are mewling about, and we can take it from there. It will be my pleasure.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  304. @AaronB

    Interesting that you come out as the straight down the line Israeli apologist on this!

    I don’t know where you get your statement of Palestinian intentions from but, leaving aside the fact that the young IDF snipers were being told that version, the first defence would be to use tear gas. Also self-defense might be extended to shooting anyone who produced a tool next to the fence which was capable of cutting it or otherwise destroying it. (The snipers were so close they should have been able to hit within an inch or so of a still target BTW).

    I note that you didn’t pretend that the throwing of the odd Molotov cocktail over the fence was a danger to the snipers but you do I believe misreport the facts when you write of the “crowd” advancing and reaching the fence. And if hundreds arrived simultaneously each sniper could have got off an aimed shot – accurate to within a couple of inches – about every three seconds so those carrying wirecutters could have been dealt with if your counterfactual was true.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  305. AaronB says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Well, why not do some research on it? There was excellent BBC documentary on it which explored the situation in depth. The Palestinians interviewed expressed quite clearly that their intention was to tear down the fence and kill Israelis. It’s not an “interpretation”. The wonderful thing about the Palestinians is that the rank and file live in their own moral universe and are perfectly frank about their aggressive intentions. They see nothing wrong with it. And I respect them for that.

    Of course Israel uses other means to try and disperse the huge crowd. Soldiers drive up and down blaring over loudspeakers that the crowd risks its life by charging the fence. Leaflets in Arabic are dropped. Tear gas is used.

    The snipers do not shoot indiscriminately – they identify main instigators and those leading charges against the fence, and shoot at their legs. Not to kill. A 16 year old leading a charge is a legitimate target.

    What is more, Hamas – who buses the protesters to the scene – has hidden gunmen in the crowd. In one incident, gunmen opened fire on Israeli soldiers. This creates added urgency to keep the crowd at a sage distance.

    These protests are not political gatherings at a safe distance from the fence. They are aggressive charges at the border fence of another country, with the stated intention to tear it down and kill Israelis. There are Israeli towns minutes away from the fence.

    It is a military event, not a political protest and not a civilian crowd control event (in a civilian situation, the crowd is not trying to kill police or other civilians) – if the crowd is allowed to get too close and the situation spins out of control, much more force would have to be used to get it back under control. Making it imperative that the crowd be kept away from the fence.

    Let me ask you, what do you think would happen if that crowd got their hands on a single Israeli soldier? He would be torn limb from limb, as happened to an Israeli soldier who fell into the hands of a Palestinian mob in the second intifada. He was quite literally dismembered by hand.

    The situation is more complex – and more human and interesting – than an “evil Israel” morality play. There are lots of videos up on YouTube I bet.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @ivan
  306. @AaronB

    Thanks. I would like to think you are right. There should be good videos available if either side has a clean conscience. If you locate good YouTube stuff please post.

    • Thanks: AaronB
    • Replies: @AaronB
  307. @JimDandy

    You added another theory of the motivation for the attack on USS Liberty to the ones Paul gave as follows:

    “Those, and the theory that it was a false flag and Johnson was already in the process of taking steps to nuke Egypt in “retaliation” for the attack before the attack even occurred.”

    Why post it without noting its absurdity if you aren’t backing its plausibility?

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  308. AaronB says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I’m gonna try and find that BBC documentary for you – it was posted here on Unz last year and I downloaded it. If I find it I’ll post it.

    It shows the complexity and humanity of both sides.

    • Thanks: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  309. @AaronB

    Can I enlist you as a supporter of my solution to the Israel-Palestine problem? It is a one state solution with Jews given at least 100 years of protection against being outbred by introducing a new powerful house of the Knesset for which the voting qualification is to have been a net taxpayer for 15 years. I have just thought of a valuable wrinkle. As well as that create a couple of city states backed with a lot of money to help them get off the ground as Palestinian Hong Kongs… Their citizens wouldn’t have a vote in the new enlarged Israel.

    • LOL: AaronB
  310. JimDandy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I posted it because Paul was asking what the dominant theories were.

    I don’t think the theory that it was meant as a false flag is AT ALL absurd, and I consider Johnson a scum-of-the-earth Zionist book-licker extraordinaire. Your affection for that pig seems inexplicable. Maybe I’m wrong–maybe you aren’t hasbara, but one of his direct descendants?

    Here is Denis Healey, the Secretary of Defense in Britain’s impressions of the man:

    Lyndon Johnson was a monster….

    [He was] one of the few politicians with whom I found it uncomfortable to be in the same room. Johnson exuded a brutal lust for power which I found most disagreeable. When he said, “I never trust a man unless I have his pecker in my pocket,” he really meant it. He boasted about acting on the principle, “Give me a man’s balls, and his heart and mind will follow.”’

    As for whether or not Johnson was a key conspirator with premeditated plans to nuke Egypt? It’s not my first guess, but I wouldn’t totally discount the possibility.

    A National Vanguard article quotes writer Peter Hounam extensively:

    ***Shockingly, the USS Liberty tragedy did not begin at 2:00 p.m. Israeli time according to the sanitized official version. It began earlier. According to Hounam, he interviewed a retired Air Force pilot, Jim Nanjo, who spent 20 years on the H-bomb attack force. The job of such pilots who lived on US air bases was to be ready to jump into a plane and carry out orders immediately.

    Nanjo told Hounam about how he was awakened on the morning of 6/8/67 between 2:00 a.m. and no later than 4:00 a.m. by an alert that told him an emergency situation existed and he needed to man his plane immediately. Other bomber pilots were also manning their planes and revving up their engines waiting for the “go” order and their orders. They knew nothing about their mission and Hounam writes:

    Nanjo was in no doubt that the world was near to Armageddon that day…

    There was however one other significance of his story that he had not spotted. The klaxons had woken him at between 1 am. and 4 am; he was certain it was no later, but the Liberty was not attacked until 5 am California time. How were the American military and their commander in chief, Lyndon Johnson, able to anticipate the attack, and yet apparently not know the Israelis were behind it.

    Hounam also documents that Nanjo was aware that other US Air Force bases were under the same highest alert in Guam, Britain, Moron, Spain as well as in the US. What was Nanjo carrying? Hounam writes:

    Even after 35 years, he was reluctant to provide details of the bombs carried by his squadron that morning.: ‘Other than to say it was a weapon of mass destruction. I am not able to give you the nomenclature.’ Then he confirmed that they were carrying thermonuclear weapons — H-bombs…***

    The author of the article goes on to write:

    ” The geopolitical drama of the Middle East is acutely linked to the Cold War because the Soviet Union was arming and funding Middle East regimes, notably Egypt and Syria. The Middle East was a pawn on the chessboard of America vs. the Soviets during the Cold War because influential dominance of the region was a key goal of both nations.”

    These are facts.

    The article then references Hounam’s interviews with survivor, Moe Shafer:

    “The second memory from after the attack was much more significant. Moe said he was hurt by shrapnel during the assault…. Unlike most of the injured who had already been taken away to the USS America, he was loaded into a helicopter and flown to the USS Davis, the flagship of Sixth Fleet commander Admiral Martin. The next morning he was sitting on his bunk with two or three other injured men when Martin came in to see them.

    Shafer said he seemed to want to tell someone about what had happened before he would be obliged through pressure from above to clam up: ‘Not only did Admiral Martin tell me that four jets were on their way to the Liberty with conventional weapons [and were recalled]; he stated that four were on their way to Cairo loaded with nuclear weapons. He stated they were three minutes from bombing them [the Egyptians]. He also said that the jets could not land back on the carrier with nuclear arms and they had had to land in Athens. He stated this from my beside while on the Little Rock [the codename of the flagship] after the attack.”

    And:

    ***An Israeli diplomat, Eppie Evron, recalled a meeting he had with LBJ on 5/26/67 as documented by Hounam:

    “Then he went on to say, “I, Lyndon Johnson, have to get congressional approval if I want to act as President of the United States. Otherwise, I’m just a six-foot-four Texan friend of Israel.” (That description stuck in my memory.) “But you and I, the two most powerful people in Washington, are going to get Congress to pass another Tonkin resolution.”….

    I thought, “He’s telling me that Congress is never going to give him permission to use military force.”….”***

    Bottom line: it is one of the theories that is out there, and, thus, worth mentioning, sans any pearl-clutching over how “crazy” it is.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  311. @JimDandy

    Thanks. I vaguely remember having a kind of tough minded admiration for Johnson as the sort of no BS politician who could get things done, especially manage Congress. But I am not now surprised by Denis Healey’s words.

    As for the other interesting material you cite it just about has me ordering the Caro biography to see what he makes of the events of June 1967.

    I have no idea of the credibility of the articles/accounts you cite. Have you read the Caro version which at least should have a lot of reviewing firepower aimed at it?

    As it stands I wonder
    if Ron has taken account of what you cite and dismissed it. And if so for what reasons. My inclination still is to assume that the seasoned calculator that Johnson was would not have risked starting a nuclear war wherein a lot of Russians would be killed.

    Is there any indication of targets? The Aswan High Dam hadn’t been completed but I suppose one could speculate that its destruction without killing many Russians would weaken Egypt and, by showing willingness to use nuclear weapons, send a signal to the Soviet Union to back off. Very high risk obviously.

    • Replies: @JimDandy
  312. 9593 says:
    @Ron Unz

    About Professor Emeritus Joan Mellen, of “Blood in the Water”, on “Rate My Professor”:

    https://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=256735

    Tenured, I presume.

  313. JimDandy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I really don’t know, and, for whatever reasons, I always tended to consider the idea of LBJ conspiring with Israel to nuke Egypt as somewhat implausible, simply because it would have been so dramatic, but it’s also not something I would totally put past either Israel (see: The Lavon Affair, etc.) or Johnson. For whatever it’s worth, The National Vanguard article seemed to be floating the idea that it was actually Johnson who was pressuring Israel into taking part in the plan. My gut reaction was that that is total nonsense, but what do I know? I’ve rejected a lot of “conspiracy theories” in my life, only to eventually conclude after extensive reading that they were most likely true.

    I don’t think that attacking Egypt would have automatically resulted in all-out war with Russia, which makes the theory more plausible. I share your curiosity over the reasons for Ron Unz’s position. Was this scenario something that he dismissed (understandably) simply because it sounded so crazy? Or has he researched this carefully, found all of the “evidence” to be fabricated, etc.?

  314. @JimDandy

    Of whom would you have gone on saying for longest “Oh he couldn’t do anything as wicked as that!”: LBJ or Bernie Madoff?

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  315. @JimDandy

    Agree, and the book Blood in the Water is documented front to back and reveals in fact that ZUS planes were on their way to Cairo and were called back when it was discovered that the Liberty had not sank, hopefully LBJ is frying in hell.

  316. JimDandy says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Madoff. I’ve been hearing tales of extreme Johnson assholery my whole life.

  317. ivan says:
    @JimDandy

    Johnson was at his wit’s end by 1967 due to Vietnam. The draft more or less scuttled his reelection prospects. There is no reason why would he want another conflagration this time in Middle-East. According to authorities – speaking after the fact no doubt – the Americans fully expected the Israelis to overpower the Arabs in short order. The Israeli “woe-is-me” story found no takers in the Western capitals. In fact it was the Israeli General Staff which pushed a hesitant PM Levi Ashkol into war. They were confident of a sweeping victory.

    There are “conspiracy theories” and then are “conspiracy theories” meant to discredit other more plausible “conspiracy theories”. This idea that Johnson was in collusion with the Israelis to use the Liberty incident to bomb the Egyptians is one them.

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  318. ivan says:
    @AaronB

    And many Palestinians were so stupid as to confess to the BBC that their real intentions were “to tear every soldier from limb to limb”, without thinking of the propaganda implications. No doubt Palestinians are not angels but the Israelis are capable of all that is attributed to them. When Erdoghan tried to pour “refugees” through Greece, the Greeks managed to stop them without killing more than perhaps a handful. The reason why the Israelis kill the Palestinians like dogs is that they regard them as mad dogs. Don’t tell me there is no other way to stop these people. Making ditches, creating sand mounds etc. An earlier generation of Israelis would have tried that, but under Satanyahoo killing Palestinians is a national sport.

  319. JimDandy says:
    @ivan

    You make a strong case, but you would agree that Johnson worked in collusion with Israel at least to some extent, right? The spectrum of possibilities includes his seemingly-improbable pre-meditation to at least some kind of foreknowledge to things like calling off rescue squads immediately afterwards to the undeniable fact that he oversaw the coverup.

    And I’m not convinced that bombing an evil Arab empire (and Soviet pawn) after it diabolically attacked an innocent American ship and slaughtered U.S. servicemen would have hurt Johnson more than it helped him. It could be that a beleaguered and bogged down Johnson saw such a scenario as a way to cut the gordian knot and transform himself into a hero. I think such an action–within the context of such a narrative–would have caused his popularity to skyrocket. And I suspect that many Americans, trembling with existential fears, would have found a tall, tough Texan a preferable president to any of the other options coming down the pipe. The Liberty was attacked in early June of ’67. It is said that Johnson had decided against running by mid-September of that year.

  320. ivan says:

    I agree that Johnson had greater sympathies for Israel than his predecessors or his immediate successor. And he had a Jewish mistress and was basically an unattractive character. Mrs Kennedy didn’t like him one bit. But if you look at his actions over Vietnam where he gave free rein to people like McNamara to conduct it, only to regret it later, the man was not going to be very enthusiastic over another “clever” war.

    I don’t think Johnson stood a chance against Richard Nixon in 1967-68 who had stitched up the Southern Democrats and the hard-hat votes in the North. He passed the baton to Hubert Humprey, universally regarded as a “nice guy” only to see him lose.

    But of course all kinds of things are possible in hindsight.

  321. DAI. K says:
    @Trinity

    Yeah,and the jew media would let them.

  322. the situation has gotten even worse as Washington sends billions of dollars to the Jewish state annually while also giving its kleptocratic government a green light to commit war crimes and other aggressions that will ultimately draw in the United States, and could plausibly bring about our ruination. It is unpleasant to say the least to watch an unrestrained and unprincipled client state do terrible damage to a much larger patron enabled by the machinations of a dual-loyalty fifth column, but that is what we are seeing.

    Brilliant turn of phrase. Thank you so very much. I have long followed this tragedy. The Redcoat occupiers returned in force, after the shameful whitewash of the ‘Liberty’. Different uniform, Star of David, same cynical, two-faced agenda.
    To wit: “Fool and Bully ordinary Americans, tax & plunder.”

    “Your country is occupied, son. And getting plundered.”
    “By who, Sir?”
    “The Jews.”
    “Nonsense, Grampa – they are our best and dearest ally! Our President says so.”

    • Agree: geokat62
  323. fritter says:
    @9593

    Johnson comes across as somewhat human, since he developed a strong depression no doubt related to his guilt and inabililty to confess in public. He also seems to have died from that depression, which is not unusual amongst sufferers of severe depression.
    His attorney Clark on the other hand seems unscrupelous, his only concern being getting his cut. I assume the same could be said of the many other related operatives from the FBI, CIA, the Mob and foreign intelligence agencies such as Mossad.

  324. Teabones says:
    @04398436986

    The Liberty indecent was detestable for certain, it was about the Liberty’s observations and radio traffic concerning those observations that had the potential of alerting those forces that Israel was attacking that brought about the attack by the Israel command to stop those transmissions. LBJ was a real scum bag on so many issues making him possibly the worst president or human ever so it should surprise no one of his complicity in this action.

    As to the Palestinian supporters in a war zone between Israel & Palestinians forces your being a causality raise greatly and it is a chance you take not an issue to go to war over like the Liberty incident should have been.

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