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I confess to being mystified by those Americans who lean conservative, like myself, who continue to think that President Donald J. Trump is somehow doing a good job. To be sure, the economy continues to add mostly low paying jobs but claims that the new tax law benefits the middle class are a bit hard to swallow as the elimination of a whole category of deductions for state and local taxes means that I and many other middle-income types will be paying more. And there are whole policy-categories where the Trump record is appalling, to include the federal deficit, trade disputes that are alienating friends and allies, and sheer obstinate idiocy regarding the environment and climate change. Meanwhile, the president’s unrelenting moronic tweets and ridicule of critics have demeaned the office that he holds and made him look like a buffoon.

But Trump was not elected necessarily to create jobs or provide clean water, to make international trade more fair, or to pay attention to the weather. He was elected on two issues. The first was immigration, which energized folks in working class communities who were watching the America they grew up and the jobs that sustained it disappear in a confrontation with an unassimilable wave of mostly Latin American illegal immigrants. Trump promised to put a stop to the flow of immigrants across the border by building a wall if necessary while also catching and deporting illegals currently in the country.

The second issue was foreign policy, and more specifically the termination of the never-ending war legacy that Trump inherited from George W. Bush and Barack Obama, which motivated people like myself to vote for him. He exploited legitimate concerns over “Hillary the Hawk” and promised to disengage from existing conflicts in Afghanistan and Syria while more-or-less pledging not to get involved in further democracy promotion or regime change.

To no one’s surprise, perhaps, after more than two years in office the border wall is not built and the United States is confronting an increased flow of refugees coming from Mexico, inclusive of Central Americans and even Africans who are now into the game of claiming asylum in the U.S. To be sure, much of the problem rests with Congress, which refuses to authorize money for increased border security or pass sensible legislation to change America’s awful immigration system. Indeed, Trump is in fact deporting more illegals, but the deportations cannot keep up with the numbers of new arrivals.

Regarding foreign policy, Trump has not started any new wars though he has twice attacked Syria and he came very close to a serious escalation last Thursday when, for reasons that remain obscure, he stopped a planned attack on Iran at the last minute. And he is still in Syria-Iraq and Afghanistan in spite of somewhat confused assertions that he would be drawing down the number of troops in both theaters. And the absence of new wars is demonstrably not for lack of trying, witness the constant belligerence expressed towards all competitor nations as well as the comic opera coup attempt orchestrated in Venezuela.

Whatever Trump’s better angels might be, if he has any, the appointments of Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State and John Bolton as his National Security Advisor would seem to confirm that the president is disdainful of diplomacy and inclined to threats of military responses to “contain” or change the behavior of countries counted as adversaries. But, at the same time, the president is painfully aware that another indecisive war in the Middle East could cost him re-election, so he is hesitant to pull the trigger.

Most disappointing of all, the relationship with Russia, which Trump pledged to improve, is worse than it was during the Cold War due to a complete failure to engage President Vladimir Putin in an adult and serious fashion. But if there is one area of foreign policy where Trump has been unwavering, it is his expressed hatred for Iran, which was hinted at during his presidential campaign when he kept referring to the “terrible” nuclear agreement entered into in 2015 by President Obama with that country. Pundits have blamed his subsequent repudiation of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) on hostility for Obama and all his works, but the real reason more likely has to do with money. Israeli-American casino multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson pumped tens of millions of dollars into the Republican Party in 2016, effectively buying it for Israel.

Adelson is the most despicable type of Israel-firster, barely concealing his singular loyalty to the Jewish state. He served in the U.S. Army but has said that he is ashamed of that service and would have preferred to be in the Israeli Army. He has also advocated dropping a nuclear weapon on Iran to send a message. Adelson, unfortunately, has Trump’s ear as well as his wallet, the two men reportedly exchanging telephone calls on a weekly basis.

Trump’s argument for the withdrawal from the JCPOA adhered closely to the Adelson/neoconservative line that Iran has been cheating on production of a weapon and would, in any event, be “guaranteed” to develop one as soon as the agreement expires in 2030. Trump also opposed returning Iran’s own money, which had been frozen in U.S. accounts under sanctions, claiming that it would be a “windfall” used to buy and upgrade weapons. The new president insisted that he would be able to negotiate a “better deal,” but the White House walked away from the agreement even though nearly every high official at the Pentagon and State Department argued that it was beneficial to U.S. interests to continue. At the time of the withdrawal and still to this day, Iran was and is subject to an invasive inspection regime and has been reported to be fully compliant with the terms of the JCPOA.

The JCPOA withdrawal chiefly benefited Israel, and it is just possible that it actually was planned there, as a naïve Trump was consistently outmaneuvered and manipulated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Adelson. Once out of the nuclear agreement, the march towards a real, shooting war began and has been deliberately escalated ever since, particularly after Mike Pompeo and John Bolton became major players in the cabinet.

No one in the White House has ever made the effort to explain exactly how Iran threatens the United States, apart from repeated offhand comments about having to protect Israel or “send a message.” Urged on by Israel and Saudi Arabia, the United States has been playing the unwitting fool in its willingness to take the lead in denying Iran any legitimate role in the Middle East region. After pulling out of the JCPOA, the U.S. re-instituted punitive sanctions and then punished other countries for dealing with Iran or abiding by the JCPOA agreement. The Administration, including the president, boasted how the severe sanctions would cause the Iranian economy to collapse. Trump has also several times threatened to completely destroy Iran. As the punishment being meted out has increased, the Administration has also heated up its own rhetoric, claiming that it was Iran and not the U.S. that had become more aggressive and threatening.

Last month, the White House initiated a complete blockade on Iranian energy exports, also threatening secondary sanctions on anyone seeking to ignore the restrictions being unilaterally declared and coming out of Washington. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) was also declared to be a foreign terrorist organization, leading to still more sanctions and the dispatch of an aircraft carrier and strategic bombers to the Middle East followed by still more troops last week to defend against Iranian “hostile behavior.”

The Administration has accused Iran of several recent attacks on tankers, but the lack of evidence has even made it difficult for media friends and many Iran-hating congressmen to believe the claims. But make no mistake, the situation is approaching the boiling point with Pompeo and Bolton reportedly driving the process behind the back of a largely disengaged Trump. Meanwhile, the Iranian shoot-down of a U.S. drone on Wednesday produced even more calls for a military response. The New York Times’ leading Zionist columnist Bret Stephens called for an attack by U.S. forces to sink the Iranian navy. Senator Tom Cotton, a Trump ally, urged a “retaliatory military strike,” while Pompeo warned that any killing of an American soldier or sailor in Syria or Iraq will be blamed on Iran and a U.S. military response will follow.

Those calling for action almost got what they wanted last week, but perhaps the most dangerous moves being made by the Administration relate to how the United States goes to war. The War Powers Act of 1973, passed after the fraudulent Gulf of Tonkin incident of 1964 which led to escalation in Vietnam, permits the president to respond with armed force against an imminent threat or an actual act of war by an adversary. But he must inform congress within 48 hours, detailing why he acted as he did, and between 60 and 90 days afterwards he must remove the troops or obtain a declaration of war by Congress to continue the conflict.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, obviously representing the Administration viewpoint, is now claiming that the War Powers Act is not relevant as Iran is covered under the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF). Pompeo sought to convince a group of congressmen that the AUMF, which contains a blanket approval to use force against al-Qaeda and associated groups, also includes Iran because it has connections to al-Qaeda. This is an argument that has been made in the past, but the congressmen and even the media covering the story were not convinced by it.

If the White House has its way in this instance, it will be able to start wars anywhere at any time just by citing the AUMF no matter how implausible the argument being made is. And worse still would follow even if Congress then does the right thing and impeaches Trump. That would make Mike Pence president.

And, of course, no one in the White House has any idea what comes next after the bombs begin to fall.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. “And, of course, no one in the White House has any idea what comes next after the bombs begin to fall.”

    The first and most predictable consequence will be a world economic crash after the Iranians and their allies in the region close the Strait of Hormuz and attack Saudi (as well as UAE) oil facilities.

    • Agree: Mike P
  2. peterAUS says:

    But make no mistake, the situation is approaching the boiling point….

    Yep.

    ….no one in the White House has any idea what comes next after the bombs begin to fall.

    Nobody does.
    We can speculate.

    There are a couple of scenarios where TPTBs in USA can be quite happy with. Mentioned them in other thread. Keywords: limited invasion, selective draft.

    • Troll: L.K
  3. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

    > the appointments of Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State and John Bolton as his National Security Advisor would seem to confirm that the president is disdainful of diplomacy and inclined to threats

    To me, it confirms that Trump has to “hold his enemies closer.” They can bluster and blow all they want, but Trump’s got the worst of the deepstate warpigs, Bolton, on a short leash. And it makes great “good cop, bad cop” theater in which Trump gets to play Trump the Merciful, just like he did by pulling back the attack on Iran.

    • Replies: @By-tor
  4. Interesting article, but the analysis of the JCPOA doesn’t go far enough. Former Reagan nuclear advisor Dr. Gordon Prather, called out “Bonkers Bolton” (his term) when the unconfirmed UN Ambassador was peddling the Israeli line on Iran. There is no evidence that Iran, as a NPT signatory, has ever done anything it is not entitled to do under the NPT. It has voluntarily allowed the most invasive inspections of any country in the history of the NPT. The JCPOA is actually a restriction on what Iran’s rights are, under the NPT. For Obama, it was a face saver for the US, as the rest of the world, not having Zionist occupied governments, understood full well that the US/UK position was completely untenable. By the way, Prather also pointed out that the US is in constant non-compliance with the NPT, because not only can it not account for the 6 “lost” nukes, its list of the location of its nukes is never up to date.
    As for giving Iran its own money back, my down and dirty calculation concluded that what they got back didn’t cover the cost of inflation, so in reality, they got some of their money back.

    • Agree: turtle
    • Replies: @Didi
  5. Biff says:

    but the real reason more likely has to do with money. Israeli-American casino multi-billionaire Sheldon Adelson pumped tens of millions of dollars into the Republican Party in 2016, effectively buying it for Israel.

    This….

    Trump knows as much about Iran, as Bush knew about Iraq, as a fifth grader in Iowa knows about Walking Street in Pattaya.

    • Replies: @Moi
  6. The first was immigration, which energized folks in working class communities who were watching the America they grew up and the jobs that sustained it disappear in a confrontation with an unassimilable wave of mostly Latin American illegal immigrants

    This is a silly and insulting argument, the point of which seems to be “the world is changing and we should stop living in the past.” It could have come straight from Nancy Pelosi. The immigration issue has energized people across the board. Why should we allow drug runners to operate unfettered in the U.S.? How is that a “working class” issue only?

    Also, how would Adelson have served in WW2? He was 12 years old in 1945.

    • Agree: Nehlen
  7. Thomm says:

    Sheldon Adelson pumped tens of millions of dollars into the Republican Party in 2016, effectively buying it for Israel.

    So it takes only ‘tens of millions of dollars’ to buy one of the two parties of a Superpower with a $20T/year economy? Really?

    Hell, Donald Trump could have bought it himself, if it were that easy.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  8. turtle says:

    Bolton must go.
    Pompeo must go.
    Both are guilty of criminal intent.
    They do not represent the will of the American people.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  9. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    That would make Mike Pence president.

    And that, has been the plan since Day 1. Mike Pence has been engineering a soft coup against Trump since Day 1. It was he who brought in all the hawks, he who wrote the op-ed for the NYTimes calling Trump an idiot and claiming that “fortunately” for the country, there are “adults” in charge in the WH esp. on foreign policy. This Pence-Pompeo-Bolton Zionist triumvirate is the evil that is now running our foreign policy. There is a special place in hell for them, along with Javanka and their minions in congress – Lindsay Graham, Marco Rubio, Tom Cotton and the rest of the GOP RINOs.

    • Replies: @teo toon
  10. chris says:

    If there is a sliver of a silver lining in Trump’s Iran ‘policy’ which doesn’t have any discernible goal other than to start a completely unprovoked war, it must be that it highlights so perfectly the utter pusillanimousnes of our lackey allies. Blair’s ‘we’ll be with you whatever’ is the entire EU motto.

    This can only bear fruit by removing any trace of legitimacy they might have ever had.

  11. @peterAUS

    Invasion even limited is out of question. But some target shooting may happen if Iranians will not come to the table to negotiate with Trump.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @theherk
  12. Nehlen says:

    “But if there is one area of foreign policy where Trump has been unwavering, it is his expressed hatred for Iran…”

    Giraldi’s writing is usually a sharp knife. I’d have to rank this article as a spork.

    May I offer the following edit:

    “But if there is one area of foreign policy where Trump has been unwavering, it is his expressed support for Israel…”

  13. “Regarding foreign policy, Trump has not started any new wars though he has twice attacked Syria and he came very close to a serious escalation last Thursday when, for reasons that remain obscure, he stopped a planned attack on Iran at the last minute. And he is still in Syria-Iraq and Afghanistan in spite of somewhat confused assertions that he would be drawing down the number of troops in both theaters. And the absence of new wars is demonstrably not for lack of trying, witness the constant belligerence expressed towards all competitor nations as well as the comic opera coup attempt orchestrated in Venezuela.”

    I am going to out on a limb here a long limb so thin an ant might cause it to fall. This is the second major scenario where this president has claimed to stop some impending international incident. And I am just dubious about motives here. What has nagged me for quite time time is the obsession this president has with the nobel peace award. There are certainly worse things that could be motivations for policy development — peace is certainly a worthy goal. But I am concerned about the constant references someone makes to the award and have since months after the election. First with North Korea and something less advertised but as an aside in this latest foray with Iran. I am unclear if the obsession is to outdo the previous executive as in a competition or something else is at play. In my view, it’s just strange. The previous executive got the award merely for being elected — laugh. I always thought he would decline it on principle as he had not done anything yet. Well, he should have declined the matter.

    I would think that there are a myriad of people who have worked diligently for the cause of peace and getting said award never crossed their minds. I have always considered the peace award not aa award but as simply acknowledging someone’s life work.

    Perhaps, my bitterness is tainting my judgement here. But I am dubious the current executive has any mind for a fight with anybody. Which is “honky dorie” aside from all of the theater regarding a fight. There is a real war that’s going on in the US and it is front and center to the country’s future. It’s not far off across the ocean. It’s low level, barely noticeable, but its ramifications are shaking the foundations of what it means to be a citizen. And he doesn’t seem to have all that much a mind to fight that either, muchless some foreign engagement that risks more serous economic damage and certainly political chaos in that region.

    I thought the plainest simplest and most effective strategem is that one deal with the closest threat first. But apparently no one in Washington D.C. sees or the threat or maybe they don’t get the strategy which leave me at a loss since the men and women elected to office have sworn an oath to defend and protect the US. The elementary school and HS teachers could certainly use the support. The building contractors, carpenters, cement and masonry builds could certainly use some ammunition, as could the small independent entrepeneurs, a host of manual laborers have been struggling against the enemy for years. Despite the constant invasion —- the strategic handlers in the nation’s capital are spending billions of tax dollars on defending the borders of our friends in those far off lands across the see —

    curious this. But no gets peace awards for defending their own and ending wars of aggression from their neighbors.
    ———————————

    “Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, obviously representing the Administration viewpoint, is now claiming that the War Powers Act is not relevant as Iran is covered under the Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF). Pompeo sought to convince a group of congressmen that the AUMF, which contains a blanket approval to use force against al-Qaeda and associated groups, also includes Iran because it has connections to al-Qaeda. ”

    Well, if i were the SecDef. I would not mention Al Quaeda. There’s no need. The president of the US has designated the revolutionary guard as a terrorist organization and under the provisions of the AUMF, the issue is settled. As an active force on behalf of Iran they are by the AUMF a legitimate target. That is the reason after all that they were so classified to justify a conflict.

    I think it speaks volumes that apparently those making the case don’t know how to use the tools of rhetoric they created to make the case. Al Quaeda is just a euphemism if not we would be backing the Houthis who have been battling Al Quaeda like forces in Yemen for more than seven years plus.

    But as I admit, I am really out on a limb — here.

    • Replies: @Anon
  14. By-tor says:
    @Anonymous

    Trump actually likes as Bolton, and he is not Trump’s enemy. Why so many conservatives are reluctant to see this is a window into why the country is administered by a never-ending ensemble of reprobates.

  15. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Bragadocious

    This is a silly and insulting argument, the point of which seems to be “the world is changing and we should stop living in the past.”

    Maybe I misunderstand you, but immigration issue does not boil down to “the world is changing.”

    Immigration is on purpose to then force change. Reasons our elites want immigrants are manifold:
    1) It lowers the prices of wages. Chambers of Commerce are always for more immigration. 2) It creates new voters, especially for identity politics democrats. 3) It deracinates a population, so they lose their “race” and hence their ties to to their ancestors. A deracinated population is easy for plutocracy to maneuver. 4) It creates social friction. Social scientists have long known that disparate peoples do not get along. See Putnam’s book, bowling alone if you doubt this. If populations are at each others throats they are not looking up at their ruling Oligarchy. 5) It creates a new class of debtors. The immigrants are debt free, and new debts are waiting. New debts pay old debts, and keeps the debt system operating. Our ruling overlords are mostly in finance. 6) If you ruling overlords are Jewish or some other hostile elite, then they don’t give a damn about the historical american people, and it begins to make sense when you read the many reasons they do this.

    There is really no good reason for immigration. Even the statue of liberty poem by the Jewess Lazarus was to sell the idea that east europeans should be immigrated from the shtetls in Poland and Pale of Settlement (Ukraine).

    With regards to Adelson and military service, we can work backward. He was born in 1933 and is 85 years old now. Let’s assume he was 21 when in service, which is 64years ago. 2019-64yrs = 1955. Korean war was 1950-53.

    Most likely Adelson just missed the Korean war.

    The point Giraldi is making is that Adelson is a dual citizen dirt bag, who has used his money power to usurp the polity. Also, since he is a Casino owner, he is even more of a dirtbag, most likely taking cuts on laundered money. The house always wins, especially when it can make carve outs in the law protecting its racket.

    Our dual citizen friends are all for immigration, because it is good for them.

  16. What’s not mentioned in this essay (unless I missed it) is Mr. Trump’s withdrawal from the INF treaty and his apparent intent to let the START treaty expire.

    This is especially troubling in the light of Mr. Trump’s public statements about achieving nuclear supremacy and his comments to the effect of “why have nukes if you can’t use them?” or something like that.

    Talk about “how to start an unnecessary war,” Mr. Trump seems determined to take us back to the most dangerous days of the cold war, where a world-as-we-know-it-ending-nuclear-war could start by accident.

    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  17. Druid says:
    @Bragadocious

    Adelson probably also claims to be a “survivor “!!! All Zios do!

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Republic
    , @Al Liguori
  18. There are plenty of reasons to distrust Iran. Whether they constitute a case for war is another matter.

  19. Thomm says:
    @Bragadocious

    Also, how would Adelson have served in WW2? He was 12 years old in 1945.

    Not just that, but the premise that Adelson would ‘rather have served in the Israeli Army’ neglects the fact that the State of Israel did not exist until 1949, further exposing the laziness inherent to claiming Adelson served in the US army during WW2.

    For a supposed ‘Israel expert’ like Giraldi, that is particularly bad.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Ace
  20. No one in the White House has ever made the effort to explain exactly how Iran threatens the United States….

    Maybe not, but their mouthpieces on talk-radio pronounce the occasional “death to America” statement of this or that Iranian government official or cleric to be a threat they intend to deliver upon, and after a while it begins to take root.

  21. @Bragadocious

    “Also, how would Adelson have served in WW2? He was 12 years old in 1945.”

    The Hitlerjugend were taking them that young, but I doubt that would be the case, although there is the case of that Soros guy to make one wonder if that is what Adelson was so shamed about; or, maybe he was in the same mythical combat unit that later took that Dick Blumenthal to Vietnam.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  22. anon[370] • Disclaimer says:

    So far, his military advisors have prevented him from removing trios from Syria, sabotaged his second North Korea summit, and pushed him into a premature and failing plan for regime change in Venezuela.

    And assured him that sanctions on Iran would bring them to their knees and result in either a deal or regime change.

    And now they tell him that he has to bomb a few targets in Iran or what exactly. And they had no other options short of war. Somehow I’m sure that doing nothing wasn’t an official option.

    And then Trump said that Japan and China should pay the US for keeping their sea lanes open to imported oil. Thats so off script. He doesn’t even realize he can’t say stuff like that.

    Trump is stubborn, and was successful defying the neocon line. So maybe he will resist his handlers. Or maybe that is just wishful thinking.

  23. PG..PG…How are we going to keep oil prices up for our head chopping mates and maybe even increase US international oil sales?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  24. Let´s see …

    – Closure of the Strait of Hormuz would hit China and Japan hardest, the US would be minimally impacted.
    – Exploding oil prices would surely ruin Europe but can be cushioned somewhat for the US as long as $$$ are accepted, which may not be forever.
    – Production from fracking is still increasing but ROI is in freefall and these kinds of fields decline precipitously.

    The thought they might see this as an OPPORTUNITY is sobering.

  25. From ‘Don’t Assume Tanker Attacks are False Flags’

    What we may have here, is something more parallel to USA-Japan in 1941, where the USA and Britain blockaded Japan’s oil acquisition, pushing Japan into the attack on Pearl Harbor, and what the Japanese saw as a war of sheer survival.

    The USA massively blockading Iran’s oil sales and economy, as it began to do hugely last year – this is itself an act of war, and in this case an aggressive war crime.

    And the EU, Russia, and China are not doing much to help Iran, despite the Iran ‘deal’ they all approved in 2015. Russia & China don’t step up here either … when really, China should buy all of Iran’s oil, and Russian ships should protect the transit.

    Iran now is in a corner where it must fight back against the world just to survive. In fact, Iran has been warning of this since 2018:

    Early 2018 – “If Iran can’t export oil no-one in Middle East will” Tehran warned

    Dec 2018 – Iran’s President Rouhani repeated: “If one day they want to prevent the export of Iran’s oil, then no oil will be exported from the Persian Gulf”

    April 2019 – Iran’s Major General Mohammed Hossein Bagheri said, “If our oil fails to go through the Strait, others’ crude will not either”

    Iran’s warnings were ignored … that is, until the ‘mysterious’ attacks on ships in the Persian Gulf, by ‘unknown parties’, began, in May 2019 against tankers anchored near Fujairah UAE, and in June against the Norwegian & Japanese tankers in the Gulf of Oman … and in between an attack on Saudi oil pipeline pumping stations.

    Iran fully realises the consequences, the risk of all-out regional war, and of millions of Iranians being killed.

    But Iran needs to stop those sanctions strangling its people and killing its children. Millions of Iranians are ready to die as martyrs if it comes down to that.

    Bernd Neuner writes:

    This game will now continue and gain pace. More tankers will get damaged or even sunk. Saudi refineries will start to explode. UAE harbors will experience difficulties. Iran will plausibly deny that it is involved The U.S. will continue to blame Iran but will have no evidence. Insurance for Middle East cargo will become very expensive. Consumer prices for oil products will increase and increase again. The collateral damage will be immense.

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/iran-decided-to-put-maximum-pressure-on-trump-here-is-how-it-will-do-it.html

    Elijah Magnier of Kuwait’s Al Rai media, quotes an Iranian source who

    expects further attacks in the future … oil will stop being delivered to the world if Iran can’t export two million barrels per day … let us see what justifications Trump and Europe will offer their people when the price of oil becomes unaffordable … If Iran is in pain, the rest of the world will suffer … Trump decided to pull out of the nuclear deal … Let him pay the price now … If Iran cannot export its crude oil it means the country must be ready for war.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2019/06/21/iran-and-trump-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/

  26. Realist says:

    Giraldi what is the solution???

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  27. “…And there are whole policy-categories where the Trump record is appalling, to include the federal deficit, trade disputes that are alienating friends and allies, and sheer obstinate idiocy regarding the environment and climate change…”

    I’m sorry to say that Mr Giraldi, whom I respect very much, is probably mistaken in this respect. There is a growing consensus in the alternative press that “Climate Change” is a hoax. Search for “climate change hoax explained” on the Internet, but don’t use Google, because Google is clearly on the side of the Globalists and gives only climate change confirming entries. Try DuckDuckGo and see what you find.

  28. @The Alarmist

    Thanks – I will make the correction!

  29. No one in the White House has ever made the effort to explain exactly how Iran threatens the United States…

    And no one should ever expect such a thing,

    Why?

    Urged on by Israel and Saudi Arabia, the United States has been playing the unwitting [?] fool in its willingness to take the lead in denying Iran any legitimate role in the Middle East region.

    And …

    … naïve[?] Trump was consistently outmaneuvered and manipulated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Adelson.

    The US has long been putty in the hands of gangster Zionists, has long acted foolish, and a large portion of the US population are unwilling participants, but it seems difficult to argue that they’ve “unwitting ” nor has Trump been naive.

  30. Tom Welsh says:

    Like many well-informed and well-meaning analysts of US government behaviour, Mr Giraldi tends to avoid following his arguments to their logical conclusions.

    Mr Putin has often remarked that US presidents come and go, but Washington’s policies remain the same.

    That surely implies that the president’s role is mainly ornamental – rather like the Queen of Britain.

    “Democracy” in the “West” – another term that badly needs deconstructing – mainly denotes the vast array of means of deception that reconcile Western citizens to the violent, abusive, arbitrary, unanswerable dictatorships under which they are forced to live.

    The illusion that any new president can change policies is a keystone of that architecture of deception.

    • Replies: @HEREDOT
    , @nsa
    , @Harold Smith
  31. Tom Welsh says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    As regards “global warming” or “climate change”, I am prepared to accept the views of Professor Freeman Dyson, one of the world’s most distinguished scientists and mathematicians. For example,

    “Syukuro Manabe, right here in Princeton, was the first person who did climate models with enhanced carbon dioxide and they were excellent models. And he used to say very firmly that these models are very good tools for understanding climate, but they are not good tools for predicting climate. I think that’s absolutely right. They are models, but they don’t pretend to be the real world. They are purely fluid dynamics. You can learn a lot from them, but you cannot learn what’s going to happen 10 years from now”.

    – Freeman Dyson, interview with Yale Environment 360 (4/6/2009) http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

    A number of interviews with Dyson are available online, and I strongly recommend them.

  32. Tom Welsh says:
    @nokangaroos

    “Closure of the Strait of Hormuz would hit China and Japan hardest…”

    Russia is open for business, and has plenty of oil.

  33. Tom Welsh says:
    @Harold Smith

    The US government seems to take the view that any agreement acceptable to the other party is automatically unacceptable to Washington.

    That’s because the purpose of “negotiation” is not to reach an agreement at all, but to crush the “antagonist”.

    Hence the withdrawal from JCPOA. Everyone found it satisfactory, and it was working smoothly – which was the trouble.

  34. @Franklin Ryckaert

    Climate change is a reality. There are enough facts to demonstrate it. And it is good for the planet except for the fact that human beings are multiplying themselves like rats and are degrading the environment by their pollution, their ecosystem destructions and the like. CO2 is not a pollution. History of the planet experienced CO2 concentrations x times higher than the present rate.

    • Replies: @GogMagog2u
    , @Anon
    , @Ace
  35. @Thomm

    Not just that, but the premise that Adelson would ‘rather have served in the Israeli Army’ neglects the fact that the State of Israel did not exist until 1949, further exposing the laziness inherent to claiming Adelson served in the US army during WW2.

    FYI, the fact that the State of Israel did not exist until 1949, in no way proves that the premise that Adelson would ‘rather have served in the Israeli Army’ is wrong. I.e., Adelson could still have felt that way. See if you can recognize the fault in your reasoning.

    Lazy? I’d say your faulty, illogical comment is a result of something more severe than mere laziness.

    • Replies: @Thomm
  36. HadEnough says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    For the best analysis of the climate hoax I highly recommend reading Michael Crichton’s book “State of Fear” (2004). He does to the climate racket what Norman Finkelstein did to the holocaust industry.

    Another incisive article by Giraldi, I like the way he cuts through the bs to get to the heart of things.

    At this point I am very pessimistic regarding any prospects for peace in the middle east. After Iran it will be Turkey and Jordan. Israel, the Imperial Jewish Empire, marches on like a lobotomized Frankenstein who feasts only on death and destruction.

    • Replies: @Halsmail
  37. geokat62 says:

    … a complete failure to engage Prime Minister Vladimir Putin in an adult and serious fashion.

    Isn’t it President Putin?

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  38. RVBlake says:

    A number of commenters have criticized the article’s mention of Adelson’s service in the U. S. Army during WWII. I read over it a couple of times, and nowhere do I see where Phil says Adelson served during the War – merely served in the Army.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  39. alexander says:

    Dear Phil,

    Whereas illegal immigration and not starting any more “stupid wars “are very important issues for most Americans …..Far and away the most important issue facing the nation is HOLDING OUR “ELITES” ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR WAR FRAUD.

    Why should EVEN ONE taxpayer be on the hook for the cost of the wars our “elites” LIED US INTO ?

    Let the LIARS pay for the cost of their deceptions.

    Let the LIARS pay for the cost of their “illegal wars”

    Let the LIARS carry the BURDEN of the COSTS of their DECEITS.

    We shouldn’t have to…NOT ONE PENNY !.

    “No taxation without representation.”

    This is simple straightforward American Justice., Phil,..and it is long overdue.

    Once our “elites” are made accountable, and forced to PONY UP , everything changes….the lying media…Washington….The whole corrupt Kit and Caboodle…… goes “adios”.

    If they are NOT held accountable for the costs of their “War Fraud”…..what happens ?

    They will just keep “lying us into war”, …..pocketing trillions of our tax dollars in their Pentagon “Razzle-dazzle”…. and continue bankrupting both the nation and the taxpayer.

  40. @Thomm

    So it takes only ‘tens of millions of dollars’ to buy one of the two parties of a Superpower with a $20T/year economy? Really?

    It probably takes less than that to buy both parties. You may want to familiarize yourself with the word, venal before you go spouting off again.

    Hell, Donald Trump could have bought it himself, if it were that easy.

    Why would tRump do that when Adleson apparently was willing to lend a hand? Donnie’s a Beeeg, N’ Yowk-style Wheeler Dealer ya know. And when was the last time you turned down a freebie?

  41. sally says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    name one please?

    no part of Iran has been less than above board..as far as I can see.
    Here is a low blow..
    Egypt just cut Iran’s PressTV off the satellite.. according to Presstv.com..

    when it comes to trust, integrity and honesty, it seems more likely the western side is the weakling.

    I will wait your answer.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Republic
  42. geokat62 says:

    … as a naïve Trump was consistently outmaneuvered and manipulated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Adelson.

    “I’m Hard-Core Zionist and so is President Trump” – Roger Stone

    • Replies: @sally
  43. Republic says:
    @Druid

    “survivor”

    There will still be “survivors.” in 2100

  44. Targeting Iran started before 2016

    I’d say the targeting ( and demonizing) started before that.

    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings [against Iran] since 1979.

    But the U.S. pulled its support when the Shah was overthrown … in 1979.

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/world/meast/iran-nuclear-talks-11-things/

    The US government has been threatening, demonizing, and bullying Iran for some 40 years at a minimum.That’s some sicko behavior.

  45. sally says:
    @peterAUS

    If I know Iran, there will be no limited invasion, once Iran’s space is invaded even so much as a by a few more drones I fear all hell is going to break lose on about 30 fronts at once..
    For stated and intended humanitarian reasons the Iranians consciously did not shoot down the USA P8 accompanying the drone that did get shot down.. invading Iranian airspace.
    The corrupt folks at the USA are delusion-ed, blinded and drunk on the promises of economic zionism?
    What they are saying, doing and seem to want to do is incompatible with what America, Americans and the American way is all about.. Its like a virus has taken over.. speaking of that take a look at this link =>
    http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/06/is-it-really-donald-trump-forensic-evidence-emerging-that-proves-trump-was-replaced/ <=here is something to really investigate.

  46. @geokat62

    Thanks Geo – corrected!

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @LarryS
  47. @sally

    I will wait your answer.

    Your comment are too valuable here, so please do not do that to yourself! 😉

  48. HEREDOT says:
    @Tom Welsh

    democracy was only experienced during the kleisthenes, the founder of Athens democracy, and the subsequent pericles, and after the ancient Greeks, democracy never came to humanity.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  49. The article mentions Netanyahu and that critter is key to the hostility, I think.

    Here’re a couple of tidbits about the parasite that ought to be well known,

    Netanyahu’s political career was meteoric, thanks to Shultz and Israel’s Ambassador to the United States Moshe Ahrens, who in April 1982 plucked the young travelling salesman for Israel’s Rim [tRump, did you catch that?]Furniture company, and placed him in Washington as the Deputy Chief of Mission in the Israeli Embassy. With no diplomatic or political experience whatsoever, Netanyahu’s job was to sell a different commodity to the U.S. population and Congress: Israel’s invasion of Lebanon, and the subsequent Sabra and Shatila massacres.

    Shultz shared classified information from the CIA on terrorism in Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Iran with Netanyahu

    -Steven Meyer Netanyahu’s Fascist Record:All Roads Lead to Shultz, Executive Intelligence Review. February 24, 2006 issue.

    “The Israeli press is picking up Grant Smith’s revelation from FBI documents that Benjamin Netanyahu was part of an Israeli smuggling ring that spirited nuclear triggers out of the U.S. in the 80s and 90s.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/netanyahu-implicated-in-nuclear-smuggling-from-u-s-big-story-in-israel/

  50. @HEREDOT

    democracy was only experienced during the kleisthenes, the founder of Athens democracy, and the subsequent pericles, and after the ancient Greeks, democracy never came to humanity.

    Even then it wasn’t what most people think of when they spout off about “democracy” since only about 1/3 of the Athenian population were allowed to vote.

    The use of the word at least in the USA has always been a farce and TW’s comment about it is correct.

  51. @Tom Welsh

    Russia is open for business, and has plenty of oil.

    And so the reason Russia and China are strangely silent on this whole mess. My guess is they know a war with Iran would be the last straw placed on the camel’s back to bring America into full collapse, the job I feel tRump was put into office to manage.

  52. @Realist

    Giraldi what is the solution???

    This sort of thing has been going on for thousands of years with no solution in sight. In fact, be very wary of anyone, quacks all, who claims to have one short of exterminating Homo execrabilis.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Realist
  53. Moi says:
    @Biff

    Adelson should be in a max-security prison for sedition against the US.

  54. If the US start shooting at Iran, I do not see how they will be able to prevent Iran from shooting at Saudi-Arabia, US bases in Qatar and Barhein, and of course Israel, the chief culprit.
    The Hezbollah will be involved and they are neighbour to Israel; it means that the US will have to shoot not only at Iran but also at Lebanon and problably at Syria. It will not be a limited conflict ! Without any specific act from Iran, the strait of Hormuz will be closed during the war as the exposure for a tanker to cross the strait will be too high. Finally talking of oblitaring Iran is talking about something 10 times worse than the Shoah as the Iranians are 80 millions people.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  55. This may be slightly off topic, but I feel it is of great importance. Rick Wiles and the crew from TruNews discuss how Israel has taken technology given to them by the US and sold it to Iran unbeknownst to the us. This goes way back to the 1970’s and was known as “Project Flower”.

    The discussion on this starts at 1:08:37 in this video. This is just one example how Americas “only friend in the Middle East” has continually screwed us three ways to Sunday. This is a “must hear”.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Hossein
  56. @Nehlen

    Two sides of the same coin.

  57. Republic says:
    @sally

    Iran needs its own satellite to broadcast its own programs

    I am sure that Egyptians can get Press TV via the internet

  58. Sean says:

    Operation Praying Mantis back in 1988 was the last open hostilities, in which US forces killed around 60 Iranian sailors was response to an American ship being damaged by a naval mine. The reasons Trump cancelled were clear to me, as I predicted in a comment before the event, US Joint Chiefs presented Trump with a minium option punitive operation that was deliberately excessive, because that was their way of ensuring Trump called it off.

    Lack of evidence? This is not a court of criminal law with a burden of proof. We can adduce the defendant’s prior behavior and Iran supplied terrorists in Eastern Iraq with hollow charge explosives that killed hundreds of American troops. Now they are using naval special forces to place limpet mines. Trump allowed it may have been a rogue operation, but if there are crazy Iranian generals mounting off the books operations what an Iranian nuclear weapon might be used for no one can say. There will be those reflexively saying ‘Israeli false flag’, very well let us take that seriously and consider what kind of false flag Israel would do if Iran had a nuclear weapon. …

    • Replies: @Kratoklastes
    , @Parfois1
  59. To stop the war before it starts means making Iran much stronger militarily.

    Russia should ship in some nuclear war head missiles under their command and control, thus making Iran a nuclear power by proxy. The threat should cause Israel and it’s bitch, the US, to back off.

    The US should tell Israel to go pound sand; cut Israel off entirely. If Trump had any brains at all, he’d immediately pull all US troops out of the middle east starting right now.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Colin Wright
  60. @Johnny Walker Read

    Good info, and I vote, “Not off Topic.”

  61. @EliteCommInc.

    But given the history of official explanations of the US govt for various wars (Lusitania &WW1, Pearl Harbour & WW2, Tonkin Gulf & Vietnam, USS Liberty, etc.), I can’t say I trust them any more than I might trust the Iranians. The difference here is that the Iranians have the wreckage of the drone, and you can be sure the USN wouldn’t let that fall into their hands if it was in International waters.

    The US oil & fracking industry can’t compete with world market oil prices unless they are somewhat disrupted, so there is one plausible reason. Then there is this strange devotion of those at the top of the US govt to propping up the state of Israel, another plausible reason. Then there is a need to keep selling more and more arms to the region, especially as our NATO allies keep dropping the ball.

    The Iranians want a little breathing room by being able to move product on the world economy so theirs doesn’t collapse … what is their incentive to start the shit?

    Seriously, which side has the most to gain by hostilities?

  62. Every war in the mideast has been unnecessary and has been fought not for the defense of America but for zionist Israel and the zionist satanic NWO!

    To see how zionist Israel has controlled America read the book Blood In The Water by Joan Mellen about the joint Israeli and zio/US attack on the USS Liberty and also the joint Israeli and zio/US attack on the WTC on 911, America is a conquered nation under the rule of satanic zionists!

  63. Hossein says:

    Trump could have been a great president had he not surrounded himself by the Zionists whose goal is protecting and serving their racist /apartheid colonial entity.
    Sadly every American president since Carter have bending over to the cabal of Zionism thus weakening the soverignty and the independence of the nation.
    As for the Mullas, they are the new breed of Rasputins who have also created a horriffic sectarianism in the middle east pitting millions of people against one another. The disgraceful clerics and their messianic ideology and goals,just like the rabbinical one in Tel Aviv, are a mortal danger to the entire region and should not be allowed to spread their expansionism .

    Should Trump win the 2nd round he can make a historical move by purging the Zionists from his government and replacing them with Americans whose job would be to serve the American nation and not the thieving squatters .

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  64. Hossein says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    You are right. The Mullas were buying guns from their so called enemy for a long time before and after the war with Iraq.

  65. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    The unmitigated gall of this dumb dago bashing Trump about his Iran policy. We can thank Giraldi and his former employer for turning Iran into a mullahocratic nightmare. Then again, I suspect that Giraldi is now a green badger.

    Iran before CIA meddling:

    Iran after CIA meddling:

    Thanks, Giraldi, to you and your former employer.

    #EmperorTrump2020

  66. Nonwhite Illegal Aliens aren’t the 0nly category of SCAB LABOR…..

    Nonwhite Legal Immigrants and their US born nonwhite Geneline….The highly RACIALIZED nonwhite Democratic Party Voting Bloc…is the other category and source of SCAB LABOR…..

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  67. sally says:
    @geokat62

    this link says Trump has been replaced.. evidence is forensic.. I know nothing about this people but the link is interesting..

    http://themillenniumreport.com/2019/06/is-it-really-donald-trump-forensic-evidence-emerging-that-proves-trump-was-replaced/ <=here is something to really investigate.

  68. If killing 150 Iranian (presumably military) is a disproportionate response to the downing of a $100 million drone then Tehran will not take any threat seriously, such as to obliterate Iran. Without taking sides, this is dangerous. If an opponent thinks you will not use the ultimate deterrence – and this applies more so to the developing confrontation with Russia and China – then you have removed your last safeguard against nuclear war. The adversary will keep pushing until they discover the threat was real all along, or the sides enter into real diplomacy before it is too late.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @ValmMond
  69. Anonymous[148] • Disclaimer says:

    Trump’s animosity towards Iran/ sympathy towards Israel is because
    – his knowledge of Middle East comes from Jewish friends and family
    – Sheldon Adelson’s financial contributions
    – his political base is Christian Evangelical

  70. RobinG says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    Francis Boyle, professor of international law at the University of Illinois –

    “As a preventive measure, it would be my advice that a Member of the U.S. House of Representatives immediately introduce Bills of Impeachment against John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. I hereby offer my services free of charge to any Member of the U.S. House willing to do so.”
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/21/the-us-as-rogue-nation-number-1/

  71. nsa says:
    @Tom Welsh

    “Democracy in the West….another term that badly needs deconstructing”.
    What’s there to deconstruct? Democracy in modern parlance means a system run by and for the jew.

    • Replies: @Uncle Sam
  72. Agent76 says:

    Jun 19, 2019 Executive Over-Reach: Pompeo Dismisses Congress In Push for Iran War

    Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has made it clear to Members of Congress that he does not believe any Congressional authorization is necessary for a US war against Iran. Pompeo claims the post-9/11 authorization to fight al-Qaeda is sufficient. Will Congress roll over?

    December 4, 2018 Restoring the Role of the Nation-State in the Liberal International Order Remarks by Michael R. Pompeo Secretary of State German Marshall Fund Brussels, Belgium

    SECRETARY POMPEO: Thank you, Ian, for the kind introduction. Good morning to all of you; thank you for joining me here today. It’s wonderful to be in this beautiful place, to get a chance to make a set of remarks about the very work that you do, the issues that confront the Marshall Fund and confront our region as well.

    https://cz.usembassy.gov/remarks-secretary-of-state-michael-r-pompeo-german-marshall-fund/

  73. LarryS says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    This is why I read UR and respect Philip Giraldi.

  74. @Nehlen

    “But if there is one area of foreign policy where Trump has been unwavering, it is his expressed support for Israel…”

    May I edit the edit? He not only expresses support for the Ziogangster state, he oozes it.

  75. Mike P says:
    @peter mcloughlin

    You seem to be advocating suicide for fear of death. As to nuclear war, Iran doesn’t have nukes.

    This entire situation has been manufactured by the morons in Washington, D.C. They could call it off any time by lifting the sanctions. It seems, however, that they are determined to bring things to a head. Their disunity will ensure defeat.

  76. Giraldi leans Jewish. The Jewish entertainment tradition of the CIA which influences millions at home and around the world. Hollywood does a better job with fake wars however. Smoke, mirrors and plenty of CGI make the economy seem more sustainable by boosting the stock market and the price of crude oil.

  77. RobinG says:
    @turtle

    Iran Attack? * Pretext for War * Impeaching Bolton

    Professor [Francis Boyle] of international law at the University of Illinois…. said:
    “Given the manner in which National Security Advisor John Bolton is pressing for war, a member of the House should put in a Bill of Impeachment against him immediately. It may be the best way to avoid a catastrophic war.” Boyle was a lead author of the bill of impeachment put forward by Rep. Henry Gonzalez in 1991 against George H.W. Bush, who later wrote that fear of impeachment prevented him from a full invasion of Iraq.

    http://accuracy.org/release/iran-attack-pretext-for-war-impeaching-bolton/

    Prof. Boyle has offered his services, pro bono, to any Member of the U.S. House of Representatives for impeachment of both Bolton and Pompeo.
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/06/21/the-us-as-rogue-nation-number-1/

  78. @RVBlake

    They must be referring to the first edition of the article. In #28 PG mentions that he will correct it, and probably has by the time we read it.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  79. @Jacques Sheete

    Hey Bro Jacques!

    Unless a strong & determined “Homeland” de-Zionization political process begins soon, there is no solution.

    By contemplating the mere title of this informative & necessary article, “How to start an unnecessary war,” I humbly suggest Dr. Philip Giraldi knows how Israel has had lots of practical PRACTICE at starting unnecessary & immoral wars.

    The terrorist state of Israel has no accountability to American dumb goyim citizens, & there is no subsequent reason to take heart that a humane & “democratic” solution is at hand.

    Ok, call my attitude fucking “defeatist,” * but heart ❤️ must take up arms, & strive to put disinfectant Light upon all forms of Israel/ZUS warmongering. Now! Tomorrow too late.

    Without looking back at unnecessary & immoral wars the US (🙄??”) has engaged (for Israel) prior to the planned September 11, 2001, False Flag, a ZUS war against Iran is regrettably inevitable.

    Given Russia’s hesitant acquiescence, it’s only a matter of timing & date selection, for when ZUS economic-sanction war upon Iran is upgraded to serial killing missile strikes.

    Haha. Propagandized & awed, ‘Merkans can’t even recognize how the Zionist t-Rump administration’s Mnuchin “Sanctionistas” harm their own hand-me-down “Homeland” economy.🙄

    The fuckers. (Zigh) My respect, JS!

    * My Lady RobinG and don’t take a knee.

    Selah, diabolical & unabated batting practice makes for Greater Israel’s stinky “Too Big To Fail” players’ ability to swing for the fences.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  80. ValmMond says:
    @peter mcloughlin

    Trying to appease a bully again and again has nothing to do with diplomacy. Bullies need to be exposed, confronted and neutralized.

  81. @Republic

    There will still be “survivors.” in 2100

    Of course. Descendants of all European Jews are “survivors”, and will be for generations to come. But they’ll run out of those surviving Nazi Holocaust perpetrators to persecute and prosecute. I’m sure they’ll come up with something to make up for that. Like say Holocaust deniers will be replacing them in the courts and jails.

  82. @Tom Welsh

    “The illusion that any new president can change policies is a keystone of that architecture of deception.”

    Well not exactly. Mr. Trump changed several of Mr. Obama’s policies – for the worse – e.g. the policy toward Iran.

    It’s not that any president CAN’T change policies (for the better); it’s that any president WON’T. This is an important distinction. “Our” presidents won’t change anything (for the better) because our national political process has been subverted to the point where our elections are nothing but a farcical contest between traitors of various stripes.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski, AnonFromTN
  83. @Republic

    There will still be “survivors.” in 2100

    Of course. Descendants of all European Jews are “survivors”, and will be for generations to come. But they’ll run out of those surviving Nazi Holocaust perpetrators to persecute and prosecute. I’m sure they’ll come up with something to make up for that. Like say Holocaust deniers will be replacing them in the courts and jails.

  84. Many Israelis deem this war necessary, although that’s remarkably stupid of them. US aggression against Iran would be catastrophic for the Empire, and therefore for Israel. The reputation of the US military (however false) is the only thing that stands between Israel and the pitchforks of all her neighbors.

    • Agree: Mike P
  85. @ChuckOrloski

    Agree, the key to ending zionist control over America is to end the illegal and unconstitutional zionist privately owned FED and IRS which the zionist banking kabal foisted on America in 1913 and then began the wars for profit for the zionist banking kabal and these wars have went from WWI right down to the wars in the mideast!

    The FED is a zionist debt creation machine which creates debt with every federal reserve note printed and thus enslaves every American with this illegal and unconstitutional money creation , when the US gov can print legal and debt free money as it had done before December 23, 1913, free America from zionist control abolish the Fed and IRS!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  86. @Bill Pilgrim

    If Pepe Escobar is right in the article that appeared on Unz a few days ago, (“Iran Goes for Maximum Counter-Pressure”), what could follow, in addition to a worldwide depression of catastrophic proportions, would be the defeat of the US aggressor and the end of the Empire. Perhaps his decision to call off the strike had much more to do with Trump the businessman than Trump the (((Fake))) humanitarian, who claimed to be worried about 150 dead Iranians.

    • Replies: @neprof
  87. @Jean de Peyrelongue

    We’ve been through all that with Iraq during Operation Desert Storm of the first Gulf war. Saddam did all that and more but the subsequent sanctions weakened Iraq allowing for the second Gulf War and the invasion. I doubt Iran can perform much better than Iraq in a war against US and its allies. After all it could only fight Iraq to a stalemate and look what happened to Iraq. Iraq also had the renowned Republican Guard who were far more professional and better soldiers than the IRGC who have so far excelled at throwing acid into faces of women not wearing veils on the street or hanging poofters from lamp-posts. Still with these extreme sanction aimed at cutting off Iran’s oil exports, the main source of income of the nation, there is little Iran can do except wait for the same fate as befell Iraq. Perhaps it shouldn’t even wait for any false flags and initiate surprise attacks all over. It’s best option would be to go down fighting while causing the greatest damage to US forces and US allies in the region. And of course damage to Israel and the IDF too. As the plan of the US is to plunge Iran into chaos, like it has done to so many anti-Israeli countries, than Iran should try to spread chaos among all US allies in the Middle East and cause them as much damage as possible.

    • Replies: @Jean de Peyrelongue
  88. @Olivier1973

    Poor wording by the OP.

    Nobody can disagree that climate change is real. To say otherwise is absurd! It’s in constant flux just like everything else in existence.

    The question is who or what is causing it.

    Solar changes?
    Galactical regions?
    Humans in general?
    Deliberate manipulation by elites?
    Or all of the above?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  89. @RobinG

    Prof. Boyle seems like an American who actually cares about his country….you don’t see many of those

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  90. Rurik says:

    also includes Iran because it has connections to al-Qaeda. This is an argument that has been made in the past, but the congressmen and even the media covering the story were not convinced by it.

    so there is a tiny wisp of hope, however gossamer..

    sheer obstinate idiocy regarding the environment and climate change

    not to nitpick, but these are two diametrically opposed issues.

    The environment is being savaged in a blind, hysterical orgy of greed and hatred.

    But the ‘climate change’ (ruse), is helping with all of that, by pretending that exponentially exploding numbers of humans on a global scale, are irrelevant to the environment, because all that’s necessary to solve that problem is to consolidate and tax and control humans to the point that they make no decisions on their own, and are stomped into a sardine-can like existence. Problem solved! As far as the “climate change’ people are concerned.

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=climate+change+celebrities+on+yachts+and+private+jets&form=HDRSC2&first=1&cw=1263&ch=906

    All we have to do is make it nearly impossible for the people of the West (nobody’s worried about China or India’s exploding energy use) to use energy, and then we can sit by and watch as the Earth’s population goes from 7+ billion, to ten billion and 12 billion and billions and billions more!, but then who cares? Because all these people will all be so micromanaged that they won’t be able to fart without getting taxed. So it’s all good! they tell us. (Or, more to the point, they don’t tell us, because as the ecology of the planet is being raped dry, and plant and animal life wiped out in a frenzy of greed and hatred, as the poor are getting much poorer, and the middle class is being systematically destroyed, our ruling elites are getting massively richer! So what’s not to like?!

    Climate change is a ruse. They want *more* people, not less. As Europe and N. America have declining birth rates, and would solve their ecological problems (all caused by too many humans), by shear dint of the declining collective human footprint.

    But the people consumed by greed, don’t want less people. They want more people for more profit$. (And fuck them for it ; )

    And the people consumed by a deep tribal hatred for N. American and European peoples, don’t want less people in N. America and Europe, (no matter how many lies they tell worrying about the environment), because that doesn’t dovetail with their obsessive, genocidal hatred. (And fuck them for it ; )

    Sorry to stray a little off topic.

  91. @Bill Pilgrim

    Yes, you’re on it. Maybe the crash is going to come anyway, but war with Iran would make it happen immediately. There’s some evidence that there may be a level head or two hidden somewhere in the Trump administration and the need to stop the threats is being realized.

    https://ejmagnier.com/2019/06/21/iran-and-trump-on-the-edge-of-the-abyss/

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  92. @Nehlen

    There it is. Calling the name of the enemy is most important if the goal is alerting people to danger. Iran is Israel’s enemy by Israel’s choosing, not the enemy of the US. Trump is, at best, a willing accomplice of the zionist chickenhawks he has surrounded himself with, not a victim and not beset by bad advisors.

    • Agree: Robert Dolan
    • Replies: @Nehlen
  93. @RobinG

    Then, Tulsi Gabbard should take a few days off from the campaign trail and initiate that Bill of Impeachment against war pigs Bolton and Pompeo. If she is sincere about stopping the war on Iran, she should do something concrete rather than just talking the problem to death.

  94. @DESERT FOX

    Aware, DESERT FOX said: “… free America from zionist control abolish the Fed and IRS!”

    Dear DESERT FOX,

    No doubt, the above identified abominations are become my “Homeland” wardens.

    Consequently, I am compelled to ask: Who is available & capable to abolish the Fed and IRS, and “free” the incredibly disunited, via social engineering, America?

    (Note: ZUS elections, more accurately “selections,”🤑 are theater; but for the special interests of Israel, oligarchs, Wall Street, Military-Industrial-Security Complex, and self-interested MNC’s)

    My respect, Mr. FOX. (Zigh) A probable majority of upper middle class “Homeland” citizens are comfortably numb & satisfied with their Zionist-freedom, and the corresponding debt burden that’s given them & generations to come.

    As the late-George Carlin preached, “They don’t like you.

    P.S.: Representative Ron Paul could not even get enough wind in the Knesset Congress West sails to even audit the Fed!

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @DESERT FOX
  95. Rurik says:
    @GogMagog2u

    Nobody can disagree that climate change is real. To say otherwise is absurd! It’s in constant flux just like everything else in existence.

    The question is who or what is causing it.

    well, what we all know is that it is most decidedly NOT Climate Change celebrities in their private jets and mega-yachts.

    Those are the priests of Climate Change and their actions are beyond reproach.

    Nor is it being caused by China or India or Mexico or any other nation that uses lots and lots of fossil fuels. No.

    That the climate has been changing since the beginning of time, is also irrelevant.

    What we all know for a certainty, is that there are certain demographics that are responsible for all of the Climate Change, both past and future, and that not-so-ironically, these are the exact same people responsible for all the evils of the world going back to the beginning of time.

    White Europeans, and their diaspora in N. America and Oceana.

    The supremacist oppressors that have enslaved and genocided the rest of the planet since they crawled out of the mud pits of Europe, having recently genocided (their calling card) the numinous Neanderthal.

    So now what we have is a global solution to this plague. We can all blame Bubba the Southern redneck hillbilly in his Ford pickup with the shotgun in the window and Trump sticker on his bumper, not only for Black and Brown under performance in the schools, and over performance in the courts and prisons, and for all of the Zio-wars, past and present, and for Russian meddling and Transgender angst, but also for single handedly burning the planet to a crisp!

    It’s all Bubba’s fault! (just like everything else!!!)

    How utterly tiresome and fatuous and predictable.

  96. RVBlake says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Ah. I was puzzled by his comment. Thanks

  97. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    As the late-George Carlin preached, “They don’t like you.

    Hey Brother Chuck, not to split hairs, but I think Carlin’s words were “They don’t care about you”.

    But you’re more correct than he is, because not caring about us would be refreshingly blissful, compared to the ‘care’ they demonstrate.

    But I would perhaps modify your ‘They don’t like you’, to a more suitable ‘They hate your White, Gentile guts with the netherworld passion of a thousand, gazillion supernovas exploding in their supremacist heads.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Biff
  98. @Hossein

    Win or lose in 2020, there are still 19 months until Trump’s term is over in Jan 2021. Given that a false flag could lead to war any day, it’s kind of hard to believe that the Zionists pushing for war could be held at bay for that long. Something of much more magnitude than shooting down an unmanned drone is needed before the US proles can be brought on board to support yet another war for Greater Israel. Nineteen months is a long time to hold one’s breath hoping against hope that nothing bad is going to happen.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  99. RobinG says:
    @follyofwar

    Well, yes…. I’ve already sent this to her office/staff. But how do you suppose they game these things out? There are rumors (maybe fake, of course) that Trump is about to fire Bolton, if this, if that. If a prog. Dem. filed a Bill, would Trump react by digging in, defending Bolton?

    OTOH, announcing an impending Bill of Impeachment against Bolton would certainly make Tulsi a stand-out in the Dem. primary debate …which she needs. I’m continuously amazed by how many people still haven’t even heard of her. I hope she’s loaded for bear and comes out shooting tomorrow night.

  100. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    if Iranians will not come to the table to negotiate with Trump.

    You don’t get it. They are negotiating…by refusing to meet with Trump as long as he keeps imposing more sanctions. Not ‘responding’ says offer ‘not accepted’ Which leaves Trump no where to go except more sanctions and there arent any more sanctions he can put on Iran itself….which is why he is now stooping to leveling sanctions on individual Iranian leaders..
    If he had any smarts he would offer to remove some sanctions in exchange for and for the duration of any negotiations. That’s the only way he’s going to get them to the table.

    If Iran responded while Trump has all the sanctions possible on them it would be a ‘losing’ negotiating move, in effect saying they are capitulating , which Trump would see as ‘weakness’ and go in for the kill. Iran will wait until Trump makes a better offer for negotiations than just no pre conditions. Iran can wait…Trump cant if he wants to get re elected, he has to resolve it one way or another. …either war on Iran,a loser for his re election or sweeting the deal for Iran to talk to him.

    Trump must not have learned much in his real estate career….if you try to lowball a seller who has staying power with an insulting price then he’s gonna raise the price to see how bad you want it.

  101. @nokangaroos

    “Production from fracking is still increasing but ROI is in freefall and these kinds of fields decline precipitously.”

    Fracking is unprofitable unless the price of oil exceeds their ridiculously high production cost. A big increase in the price per barrel might keep some of the fracking investors from bankruptcy. Maybe that’s the plan.

  102. @follyofwar

    ” If she is sincere about stopping the war on Iran, she should do something concrete rather than just talking the problem to death.”

    Yeah, well, that’s the Mount Rushmore of IFs, ain’t it?

  103. “name one please?”

    They violently attacked and held hostage US embassy personnel in violation of international law.

    They engaged in undermining US efforts in Iraq by supporting a civil war as the US attempted to advance a more equitable disposition for the Shia population.

    There’s two —– one can go on about the embassy being old hat — but i take treaty violations very seriously and as they reflect a character of government. I hold the same for the US and why i am wholly distrustful of Vietnam. And i take the Islamic revolution very seriously. Cause for war, not so much as Iran is entitled to engage in diplomacy as she sees fit as other nations so engage.

  104. Anastasia says:

    There is nothing unwitting about these warmongers among which trump is one. They are using the same old tired tricks that worked so well under that Pos FDR FDRBush trump all are using the devil ‘s MO of extreme provocation by the use of sanctions. Johnson used the less effective false flag or hoax. They tried to get Kennedy to utilize false flag but it didn’t work. Trump is also using false flag but only to condition the masses and keep them off balance. Further. He needs more time to get re elected and keep the anti war Trump supporters off balance.to insure They cast their vote for him in the next election. I don’t care what the hell this guy does. I’m not making the same mistake twice

  105. @Rurik

    Yo Bro Rurik.

    Maybe I misquoted George Carlin’s wise words.

    Nonetheless, & linked below is a Real Jew News article where Brother Nathanael got it right and wrote, “We are living in a Jew infested world.”

    http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=1379

    Selah, Merkins Living with Wars for Israel and knowing Ruler Jews neither care for you nor the fucking environment.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  106. By-tor says:
    @follyofwar

    She and her husband would then be in fear for their collective well-being for the rest of their days. Bolton and Pompeo are agents of the some of the most sinister people on the planet.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  107. Mike P says:
    @follyofwar

    I agree that war before the next election is likely, or if not shortly afterwards. But I think the plan this time is to get into the war first, without any major offensive preparations, and then sort it out from there. Get the Iranians to destroy some American bases and carriers – a real Pearl Harbour, not a fake one like 9/11. After all the BS that has been justified with 9/11, nothing short of a real war already ongoing will suffice to bring the people around; a false flag a la 9/11 or Gulf of Tonkin isn’t going to cut it this time.

    • Replies: @Republic
  108. “We can thank Giraldi and his former employer for turning Iran into a mullahocratic nightmare. Then again, I suspect that Giraldi is now a green badger.”

    If you are speaking of the coupe, the CIA’s role was not very decisive and the coupe was going to occur with or without US assistance. The constant harp about the CIA is a convenient scape goat. But in reality, the coupes that have occurred may have been supported or endorsed by the CIA, but in the end — they have been internal national factions seeking power. The Islamic revolution was part of a long standing struggle within Iran over the administration of their faith.

    In that the CIA was more pawn than player. The CIA is not calling the shots currently for a regime change that is the MEK and Israel. The CIA has become an unwieldy entity, however, as the stories are told they are led more than they lead. Which is exactly how various factions of the CIA end up supporting opposing factions in the region.

    I.E. We are against ISIS/ISIL but we end up funding and arming them in Syria.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Harold Smith
  109. @EliteCommInc.

    There are plenty of reasons to distrust Iran.

    There are plenty of reasons to distrust every other country on the planet. Topping the list is Israel, which has launched the Lavon affair, is a prime suspect in the Kennedy assassinations, attacked the USS Liberty, sold the US the baloney about Iraq being a threat in the 1980s, has its fingerprints all over 9/11, dreamed up Iraq’s WMD evidence for Powell to embarrass himself at the UN, and continues to provide, via Nutty-yahoo, comic book stories about Iran’s secret nuclear weapons program.
    I could go on about Pollard, Lewinski, Franklin, and innumerable other sayanim in and around government, but I don’t want to write a book.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  110. @ChuckOrloski

    Sadly, you are right, I have emailed and called our 2 senators and 1 rep. many times over the years about the FED and IRS to no avail, the problem remains in the congress aka the lower house of the knesset.

    If anyone wants to know how the zionists have controlled the gov, just read Blood In The Water by Joan Mellen and of course there is the zionist Israeli and zio/US attack on the WTC on 911, which every thinking American knows was done by Israel and the zio/US but not a word is said, that is zionist control in spades!

  111. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks CO!

    One simply has to be satisfied with putting up a fight, and I’m happy to see that you’re on board!

    • Replies: @Realist
  112. S says:

    In relationship to Iran, Trump, Pompeo, and Jared Kushner have fascinating parallels with the ‘First Triumvirate’ of Crassus, Pompey, and Julius Caeser which informally ruled over the Late Republic of Rome.

    It was the Roman real estate tycoon Marcus Licinius Crassus (as a billionaire in today’s dollars rumored to be the richest man in Rome) who made the disastrous decision to launch a military campaign against Parthia (present day Iran) which would result in both his legions and his personal demise.

    That disaster in turn would lead to the power struggle (civil war) between Pompey and Julius Caeser. Caeser would defeat Pompey, the latter ultimately being assassinated in the Middle East (Egypt).

    In the ensuing chaos of the collapse of the Triumvirate and the terribly destructive power struggle which followed, as ‘the last one standing’, Caeser would take upon himself emergency powers to restore order in Rome, having been proclaimed ‘dictator for life’.

    This signaled the end of the Roman Republic, and the beginning of the Roman Empire and it’s long dictatorship of ’emperors’, Julius Caeser having set the template.

    On June 11th (just two days prior to the June 13th tanker attack) the very establishment journal National Geographic published a huge in depth article (linked below) on Crassus and the history of the First Triumvirate.

    It’s interesting as to the article’s timing. An example of a knowing ‘foreshadowing’ perhaps?

    One can only wonder if the US establishment would by and large at this time prefer that the figurative present day triumvirate of Trump, Pompeo, and Kushner, also end up as a dictatorship, just like the first one did in ancient Rome.

    ‘With Crassus’ money and connections, many men would have been content, but Crassus was not one of them..’

    ‘..Crassus, who was about 60, still craved military glory and set his sights on Parthia, an eastern empire in Mesopotamia, and its king, Orodes II.’

    In 60 B.C. Marcus Licinius Crassus was one of the most powerful men in Rome. A military commander who crushed a slave rebellion, Crassus had become a respected orator, patron, and politician, serving as consul twice among other positions. Through a combination of savvy and ruthlessness, he amassed the largest fortune in Rome. With Crassus’ money and connections, many men would have been content, but Crassus was not one of them.

    Crassus joined forces with two other men in 60 B.C. to form a political alliance that would come to dominate Rome: the so-called First Triumvirate. Alongside Crassus stood Gaius Julius Caesar, an ambitious military commander beginning a life in politics. Crassus had once been Caesar’s patron, and the two remained allies. The third member was the proud and powerful Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, Pompey the Great, a former rival and now an uneasy ally.

    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2019/05-06/crassus-romes-richest-man/

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  113. RobinG says:
    @By-tor

    Who is JOE SESTAK, latest entry in Democratic primary?

    “Sestak, a retired Navy admiral and two-term Democratic Pennsylvania congressman, called for easing Israel’s blockade of Gaza. He then ran in a primary bid against Arlen Specter, the pro-Israel senator who had just switched from Republican to Democrat. The Dem establishment, including Obama, backed Specter, but Sestak won the primary. Conservative pro-Israel groups spent millions targeting Sestak, who then narrowly lost the general election to Republican Pat Toomey…”
    – IF AMERICANS KNEW

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/joe-sestak-early-democratic-critic-of-israel-announces-presidential-run/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily+Updates

  114. WhiteWolf says:

    What comes next after the bombs start to fall? The destruction of any credibility that the US might have left. After the absurd attempt to declare some random as the new president for Venezuela and expecting everyone to go along with it a war with Iran for any reason will be disastrous for the US. No one serious is going to buy any false flag scenario these days. Iran could actually attack a US warship or oil tanker unprovoked and no one would believe it such is the credibility of the US at the moment.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
  115. @EliteCommInc.

    Harry Truman said ; I never would have agreed to the formulation of the Central Intelligence Agency back in 47 if I had known it would become the American Gestapo.

    If you want to read an excellent book on the CIA and on how among other things they caused the Vietnam war on behalf the elites who profited off of it, get the book The Secret Team the CIA and its Allies in Control of the World, by the late Col. L. Fletcher Prouty.

  116. @EliteCommInc.

    “They violently attacked and held hostage US embassy personnel in violation of international law.”

    Seriously? Considering the circumstances under which “they” did that, that’s obviously not a reason to “distrust Iran.”

    “They engaged in undermining US efforts in Iraq by supporting a civil war as the US attempted to advance a more equitable disposition for the Shia population.”

    ROTFL! U.S. “efforts in Iraq” were and are illegal, immoral and unconstitutional, just like the U.S. “efforts in Iran” (i.e. complicity if not full responsibility for the overthrow of Mossadeq (and subsequent support of the Shah).

    So that’s clearly not a valid reason to “distrust Iran,” either.

    “here’s two —– one can go on about the embassy being old hat — but i take treaty violations very seriously and as they reflect a character of government.”

    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but U.S. “efforts” in Iraq and U.S. “efforts” in Iran (which resulted in the hostage crisis) were both brazen violations of the UN Charter, which is a treaty binding on the U.S. government, so apparently you’re a hypocrite.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  117. Halsmail says:

    Survival of the Richest
    The wealthy are plotting to leave us behind

    Douglas Rushkoff, Jul 5, 2018

    [MORE]

    Last year, I got invited to a super-deluxe private resort to deliver a keynote speech to what I assumed would be a hundred or so investment bankers. It was by far the largest fee I had ever been offered for a talk — about half my annual professor’s salary — all to deliver some insight on the subject of “the future of technology.”

    I’ve never liked talking about the future. The Q&A sessions always end up more like parlor games, where I’m asked to opine on the latest technology buzzwords as if they were ticker symbols for potential investments: blockchain, 3D printing, CRISPR. The audiences are rarely interested in learning about these technologies or their potential impacts beyond the binary choice of whether or not to invest in them. But money talks, so I took the gig.

    After I arrived, I was ushered into what I thought was the green room. But instead of being wired with a microphone or taken to a stage, I just sat there at a plain round table as my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys — yes, all men — from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own.

    They started out innocuously enough. Ethereum or bitcoin? Is quantum computing a real thing? Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

    Which region will be less impacted by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked, “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the event?”

    For all their wealth and power, they don’t believe they can affect the future.

    The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr. Robot hack that takes everything down.

    This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers — if that technology could be developed in time.

    That’s when it hit me: At least as far as these gentlemen were concerned, this was a talk about the future of technology.

    Posted by: John Doe | Jun 24, 2019 3:58:00 PM

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/trump-seeks-coalition-of-the-willing-against-iran.html#comments

    All the above is from the comment section of ‘moonofalabam.org’. It reads like a re-hash of some movie script but as this was posted in response for an article that read “Trump Seeks ‘Coalition Of The Willing’ Against Iran” I think it’s valid even if the whole thing is fictitious.

    I see it aptly described by an Indian proverb “Saap ke mo ki chachunder” Translated, it means “The Mole in the Snake’s mouth”.

    A mole is also poisonous and the snake, due to its inward pointing fangs, finds itself helpless to eject it’s prey.

    Iran will not be easy.

    Nihal Mirza

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  118. On balance, wouldn’t it have been better for the Iranians to have struck the US P8 maritime control a/c with a crew of 35 rather than a drone?

    War with the USA is inevitable unless the Iranians choose to surrender. There was a huge imbalance between Hizbollah and the Israeli military, but Hizbollah decided to resist. Can Iran do anything less?

    If war comes now the Iranian military will not have been degraded by years of sanctions. On the political front, because the Syrian Government has won the civil war, Hizbollah forces have returned to Lebanon and the Shia militias to Iraq where they are now well positioned to strike American interests and allies.

    And the “Saudi” Shia in the Eastern province hate MBS and will probably rise and attack ARAMCO oil production and transportation facilities. The war in the Yemen has shown how unwilling the average Saudi soldier is to die for the royal family. Why else are Colombian and Sudanese mercenaries need to fight the Houthis?

    The Global Bully has gotten his way for years in the Middle East, but I’m betting this war-which, let’s be honest, is coming for sure- will be different.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  119. neprof says:
    @follyofwar

    What I find interesting is that Iran claimed to know how many people were in the P-8, 35. I’ve read it’s normal crew is nine. How would Iran know how many were on board? Were they correct? If correct, did that surprise the US and cause the change in decision to attack?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  120. @EliteCommInc.

    As if the US respects international law or holds to treaties it signs.

    Oh, and the US attempting “to advance a more equitable disposition for the Shia population in Iraq”. Don’t make me laugh. Now what has the US done for the Shia population in Saudi Arabia? And it doesn’t even need to invade Saudi to do that. How about some sanctions, or refusal to sell weapons, or raising the issue at the United Nations.

    The US will hide behind international law and treaties when it suits it, that’s about it.

  121. @nokangaroos

    “the US would be minimally impacted”

    No, the marginal barrel sets the spot price. A huge increase in global prices would be passed along to all the cos. and folks in the USA that use oil.

  122. @Anon

    And if 20 years time you will be able to publish similar before and after photos of the US and Europe as Islamisation proceeds through immigration and race replacement.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  123. Halsmail says:
    @HadEnough

    It wont be Turkey or Jordan. This is about energy and the worlds dependence on oil. If the straits are blocked or a hot war carries on for 2 weeks, expect a $200 barrel and countries taking sides, same as in the 1st world war.
    The Donald (POTUS) and his advisors need to consult cooler heads.
    https://aaphum.blog

  124. @DESERT FOX

    Off topic of your comment, but I was thinking about what you wrote about the retired military radio host in MT and the way he insists on ignoring Israel’s control of the US. The one group of people who would make a true resistance possible is the combat vets. Keeping them deluded about the wars they were sent into is a necessary move for the zionists who desperately want more war for Israel.

    If enough of the combat vets become realists, they would be hard to silence. IMO, a Judas goat like the Montana radio host should be subjected to scrutiny in regard to his actual military record. If he’s a fraud, the veterans he has been deceiving might never buy that particular con again.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  125. @Sean

    but if there are crazy Iranian generals mounting off the books operations what an Iranian nuclear weapon might be used for no one can say

    There is no such thing as an “Iranian nuclear weapon”: if you think there is such a thing, even prospectively, then you’re implicitly asserting that Iran is not the theocracy we are all told it is – because they have issued a fatwah that, very explicitly, ruled out any plan to acquire nuclear weapons on the basis that they are inherently haram because of the inability to prevent massive, disproportionate civilian casualties … care not to harm non-combatants is one of the ‘ten points’ that govern Islamic war fighting (as opposed to fake-extremist militias whose behaviour looks much more like something out of the Book of Joshua… just a hint as to their provenance).

    Frankly the Iranians would be mugs not to acquire a nuke, when to do so would guarantee the US Death Machine would back the fuck off – especially since they already have the tech to deliver same to a major population centre in Zionist-occupied Palestine.

    That said, the religious authorities are still taken seriously in Iran, so any claims that the Iranians have an active nuclear weapons research program is nonsense.

    #InspectDimona has never trended on Twitter… I wonder why that is?

    • Replies: @Sean
  126. @EliteCommInc.

    “If you are speaking of the coupe, the CIA’s role was not very decisive…”

    You’re full of shit. And regardless of your subjective opinion as to how “decisive” the CIA’s role in the coup was, U.S. government “efforts” in the coup were a clear violation of the spirit and letter of the UN Charter – which you impliedly claim to revere.

    “…and the coupe was going to occur with or without US assistance.”

    You’re full of shit. And to the extent you’re not full of shit, so what? By that specious “moral reasoning” every convicted murderer should be pardoned and released from prison since people are going to die anyway, right?

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @HEREDOT
  127. @Halsmail

    I ordered that book a few weeks ago on Abe Books and it arrived this past Friday. I haven’t started it yet, but I will soon.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  128. @EliteCommInc.

    The only party that violated the nuclear deal with Iran in the US. US unilaterally backed out of the agreement signed by Iran and several other countries, which is a violation of that agreement. This showed to Iranians (and many others) that it is useless to negotiate with the US, as US does not abide by signed treaties and does not fulfill the obligations it took onto itself. By doing that the US destroyed its credibility. The US destroyed international law by engaging in numerous illegal acts of aggression (Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.). The US is destroying world financial system (ostensibly to punish Russia, Venezuela, etc.). The US is destroying international trade by introducing illegal sanctions at will.

    The US Empire is the first top dog in history to deliberately ruin the world order where it was on the top perch. If that is not stupidity, I don’t know what is.

    • Agree: Harold Smith, renfro
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Rurik
    , @kemerd
  129. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    There are plenty of reasons to distrust Iran.

    yes, you’re right of course,

    If

    you are a festering maggot-hole of black-hearted lies, murder and treachery.

    Because Iran has been subject to such devil’s machinations of thievery, state-sponsored terror, rampant torture and psychopathic savagery, by Zionists and their loathsome American stooges- over the generations- that it’s a no-brainer that they’d have every reason in the world to distrust someone like you, not-so-elite-troll.

    Iran might be considered metaphorically like one of Michael Vicks’ dogs, who were tortured and horrifically killed if they displeased Vick in any way. They even found a “rape stand” on the property, a charming invention into which a female dog was strapped, her head fully restrained, so she could be raped by other dogs without ripping their throats out.

    Now, if I were Michael Vick, and I had just strapped a female dog into one of these devices, and allowed her to be brutalized by several dogs in turn, all no doubt to growls of rage or even pitiable groans of pain and humiliation..

    Well, if I were advising Vick, just as you’re advising the ZUS, then I’d have to agree 100%, and tell Vick, as he approached the bleeding dog, that “there are plenty of reasons to distrust that dog, Michael’.

    And on similar note, who in their heart of hearts, wouldn’t feel a great surge of righteous justice, if such a dog could have broken free of the restraint, and ripped Vick’s screaming throat right out from his neck?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @jack daniels
  130. @Twodees Partain

    I kinda understand why the Chinese went hardcore for nuclear energy the last few years. They are also seeing the writing on the wall.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  131. @Twodees Partain

    He is not a fraud and served in Afghanistan and Iraq and in Africa, which in my opinion we have no business being in any of these countries, but he is just the typical military brainwashed person who thinks he is defending America and I have told him numerous times via email and calling into his show that he is fighting for Israel, and lately I quit calling as the last time he cut me off, and so I email him once in awhile , but have given him up as a lost cause.

  132. Zumbuddi says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “Plenty of reasons to mistrust Iran,” but USA behaviour is above reproach.

  133. @EliteCommInc.

    They violently attacked and held hostage US embassy personnel in violation of international law

    When did “they” (being, the government of Iran) do that?

    The US Embassy occupation was undertaken by irregulars – call them insurgents or revolutionaries as your tastes dictate. It occurred during a revolution to overthrow a brutal US satrap (‘Shah’ Reza Mohammed), who was installed following the US -orchestrated overthrow of a democratically-elected government (that of Mossadegh) which had the temerity to repudiate some odious contracts with, inter alia, the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co (now BP).

    The Embassy was a CIA station (proved by the tens of thousands of documents that were saved from the furnace); that is why the revolutionaries targeted it.

    Ruholla Khomeini was not even in Iran at the time; he was in exile in Paris.

    Occupying the US Embassy in Teheran in 1979 was morally equivalent to French partisans attacking an SS headquarters in Vichy.

  134. Mark G. says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Someone like Bolton cares about the continuation of the military-industrial complex, not America itself. To justify the continuation, some new enemy always has to be identified and then cast as a villain and a threat to us. High defense spending is actually more of a threat to us than Iran since it erodes our future prosperity.

    • Replies: @Art
  135. Realist says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    This sort of thing has been going on for thousands of years with no solution in sight.

    What is the point of constantly bitching and moaning about the same thing over and over if there is no solution???

    “Give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and insight to know the one from the other.”

    Shit or get off the pot.

    And stop whining like a little girl.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  136. Realist says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    One simply has to be satisfied with putting up a fight, and I’m happy to see that you’re on board!

    What fight is that? None of the commenters here are doing anything about the Zionist ‘problem’. It’s the same week after week, the same commenters bitching and moaning. This is great for Giraldi he gets paid for writing the same shit over and over. Buchanan is the same way….never a solution.

  137. Sean says:
    @Kratoklastes

    It was a mistake to say the Iranians had blew up tankers shot down drones and he was going to do something and then not. Trump now looks as if he has been bluffing against a second rate country. That will make his diplomacy with China a lot more difficult. Put it another way provocations by China’s cat’s paw North Korea and war NK have became a lot more likely as a result of Trump showing himself to be nervous and weak. China will seek to take advantage.

    • Replies: @WhiteWolf
  138. Dutch Boy says:

    Climate change and trade policy do not push my buttons; otherwise, Trump has been a disappointment.

  139. Truth3 says:

    Mankind has been at War with the Tribe for 3000+ years.

    Only problem is, very few know it on Mankind’s side.

    Biggest problem… every Tribal Bastard knows it, and is fully engaged.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  140. anonymous[290] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Yes, a pagan godless euRape to a true monotheist Europe… a contrast as stark as Hell and Paradise… if you are smart enough to comprehend the metaphor.

  141. @renfro

    I have an impression that you have certain interest in my views. But then I could be mistaken.
    So anyway!
    I did not answer one of your comment and so I do apologize for that. It was very impolite from mine side. The reason was that I am still very busy and I do not have too much time to spare.
    I do not have a patience for details, only the essence and so you have to have patience with me.
    So here is my view:
    It was US who started to built nuclear power plant in Iran at times when it was run by shah.
    When Shah was deposed attitude of both side changed from friendly to adversary.
    Eventually Russians did pick up the slack and they finished the energy complex.
    (It took Russians a long time but they finally did it.)
    And than question of fuel for the plant did arise.
    US administration was vehemently against Iran making fuel for their Nucleus power plant.
    (refining uranium ore)
    So Russians did suggest that they will sell refined Uranium to Iran. (Maybe even finished rods.
    But after long hesitation Iran rejected Russian offer and decided to make their own fuel.
    Israel immediately interpreted it as Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon. Israel did go as far that they assassinated a few Iranian nuclear scientist. Than Iranians started to refine ore to 22 percent
    Iran needed some minimal amount for medical purposes.
    And than Netanyahu came with his totally idiotic picture that Iran is so close yo atomic bomb and want to use it on Israel.
    Naturally it was total BS. First Every ayatollah and every Iranian Government declared that they will never make any nuclear weapon.
    Second here was that Iranians never built a Plutonium reactor that is needed to produce a Nuclear payload. Plutonium reactor needs huge cooling towers that would be immediately detected by US spy satellites. Neither Russians were interested to build a plutonium reactor for them, even if Iranians would be asking for it.
    Than Idiot Obama started to play a savior of the situation (Actually being savior of nothing.)
    He basically did give Iranians a free hand for letting in the Us inspectors.
    What is happening now that Iran is working to achieve hegemony in Muslim world, that will be detrimental to US policies in Middle east.

    • Replies: @renfro
  142. RobinG says:
    @Harold Smith

    You’re full of shit.

    This is generally understood about EliteCommInc.

  143. @Realist

    Haha. To the stalwart Information War Veteran, Jacques Sheete, the surrealist Realist bitches & moaned: What fight is that? None of the commenters here are doing anything about the Zionist ‘problem’. It’s the same week after week, the same commenters…” haha, blah, blah, blah.

    (Zigh) As a part-time Scranton School District bus driver, I ask, is there anything Realist can say which would indicate he is alive and has a set? Haha.

    Selah, Springsteen’s song, “Radio Nowhere,” and the ultimate question, “Is there anyone free & alive out there on CNN and Fox News Network?

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Jacques Sheete
  144. HEREDOT says:
    @Harold Smith

    You’re right to be angry.

  145. Art says:

    Tulsi Gabbard has a real opportunity to help herself and peace in the Dem debate. The media will play into her hands by asking her questions about talking to Syria and Russia. She can answer by asking why are we not talking to Iran?

    She can demand that Trump must back off on an Iran war and reinstate the JCPOA (the Iran nuke deal).

    She can also speak to the insane Trump proposals to build new tactical nukes. We and the rational world want less nukes – not more nukes. She must take on the military industrial complex’s (MIC) ungodly cost to America.

    p.s. In the debate Elisabeth Warren will be Gabbard’s main opposition – Tulsi can out do her economic screeds by talking about auditing the Federal Reserve and finding out who controls the global corporations and how they manipulate the government. She can talk about her agreement with Trump on halting the TPP treaty and his standing up against Chinese coercion and unfair economic practices. Tulsi can show that she is a practical politician – not someone ready to give away the farm to get elected.

  146. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    What is happening now that Iran is working to achieve hegemony in Muslim world, that will be detrimental to US policies in Middle east

    LOL……and you think Israeli and Saudi hegemony isn’t detrimental to US interest?….That’s what this is about…two current hegemons trying to prevent Iran also becoming a hegemon….. not US interest.

    As for US interest..do you know what our interest are? Why don’t you tell me what you think they are.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  147. Talha says:

    Maybe shooting down another airliner full of a few hundred Persians will help us feel safer and allow us to sleep better at night knowing our Navy is doing God’s work in protecting the ̶P̶e̶r̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ Cowboy Gulf.

    It will also send a clear message to them; if you shoot down our drone violating your airspace, we will shoot down your airliners violating our airspace (which is everywhere we say it is).

    We will never know unless we try…

    Peace.

  148. Art says:
    @Mark G.

    High defense spending is actually more of a threat to us than Iran since it erodes our future prosperity.

    Agree 100%

    Stop the new nuke spending – that is just crazy. Russia and China would agree.

    Stop the JMIC.

  149. Talha says:
    @Art

    We and the rational world want less nukes – not more nukes.

    Amen, brother, amen.

    Peace.

  150. @Realist

    Haha. Following is a great example of how a stupid & unnecessary U.R. comment can end: “This is great for Giraldi he gets paid for writing the same shit over and over. Buchanan is the same way….never a solution.”

    My recommended Final Solution to ‘da surreal “Realist”: Shun his shit. (💤igh)

    • Replies: @Realist
  151. Maybe shooting down another airliner full of a few hundred Persians will help us feel safer and allow us to sleep better at night knowing our Navy is doing God’s work in protecting the ̶P̶e̶r̶s̶i̶a̶n̶ Cowboy Gulf.

    The Cowboy Gulf? Shylock’s Gulf is more like it.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  152. Anonymous[105] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Come to that, I’ve seen pictures of Afghan women supporters of the pro-Soviet PDPA in the 1970s and 1980s wearing flared trousers and blue jeans.

  153. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Brother Chuck,

    from the article:

    USS Abraham Lincoln parked in the northern Arabian Sea, under the eyes of the Iranian military, its crew and bombers are sitting ducks.

    As for the downed US drone, it was doubtless sent into Iranian airspace to bait the Iranians into reacting, and thus gather intelligence on their military capacities.

    I’m surprised Brother Nathanael doesn’t see the Aircraft Carrier Group as I see it, as a huge bait to get Iran to use one of those Sunburns.

    I believe that’s why the carrier was sent, as a sitting duck too irresistible as an easy target for Iran, (or how it will all be spun if they just do it themselves), and sink the ship with all hands, and then screech bloody murder.

    Well, perhaps not with all hands, a few selected sailors, perhaps a few females for effect, plucked out of the waters and put in front of the cameras, with bruises and open cuts and acting coaches, and all, would be ((their)) ultimate wet dream cum true.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  154. Wally says:

    Get real Giraldi, the alternative was Hillary.

    I certainly agree that Trump has been disappointing, look what’s been thrown up against him.

    Just imagine Hillary in power and her overt racist incitement to violence against Euro-white Americans, the “deplorables”.

    Then there wast her demand for a no-fly Zone in Syria against Russia. Talk about looking for an “unnecessary war”, that’s it in spades.

    recommended:
    Trump Cut Taxes on Most Americans but Hardly Anyone Believes It
    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/04/15/trump-cut-taxes-most-americans-hardly-anyone-believes-it/
    ex.:
    “Two-thirds of American taxpayers will pay less in taxes for their 2018 earnings, according to the independent Tax Policy Center. Eighty-one percent of the middle one-fifth of income earners received a tax cut. Just 5.5 percent of households got a tax hike of $100 or more—and most of those were in the upper-income tax brackets.”

    Fact Check: Democrats Are Misleading Americans About Their Tax Refunds: https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2019/02/12/most-middle-class-americans-got-tax-cuts-despite-smaller-early-refunds/

    How Trump’s Tax Cuts Are Helping the Middle Class
    https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/17/how-trumps-tax-cuts-are-helping-the-middle-class/

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  155. Rurik says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    The Cowboy Gulf? Shylock’s Gulf is more like it.

    I winced at the same thing.

    Note to Talha, those ‘cowboys’ are Janissaries. (I know you know what that word means), and I’m pretty sure you’d agree.

    In what way would the ‘cowboys’ benefit from such an atrocity?

    It’s really tiresome to have to keep reminding people that all these Zio-wars are not being done on behalf of White (cowboy) Americans. That’s idiotic.

    All White (and black and brown) Americans are getting is relatives in body bags or missing limbs or eyes or souls, and then who’re killing themselves at record numbers. Doesn’t at least that mollify some of you people, that American veterans are killing themselves at epidemic rates?

    Americans get trillions in un-payable debt, and the (often deserved) hatred of the world, and get to kill innocent people and get killed, all to benefit our most depraved and intractable enemy.

    We are dying on behalf of the criminals who perpetrated 9/11. Is that not humiliation enough for you all?

    A trusted man goes into your house, and kills your family, then when you come home and see it, he tells you it was that Muslim guy down the road that did this, and so now you go kill the Muslim guy in revenge, but find out later that it was your trusted friend who killed your family and lied you into killing an innocent man. That is the situation America finds itself in. Only not one in ten people realize it yet.

    We are literally dying to serve the fiend that has its vampire fangs in our government and institutions like no other, at least like no other since they got their fangs pulled out of Russia, by the heroic acts of Vlad Putin. But those impure fangs are sunk deep in America’s jugular, and slurping like no tomorrow.

    When those young people were tricked into navigating into Iranian waters, when the Iranians picked them up,

    they didn’t torment them or punish them, because they knew these people were just pawns and dupes. There was no hatred for them, and there should be none. At least the Iranian authorities could see that. Too bad many people here don’t have the depth of character to see the obvious, and would prefer to hang those people by their fingernails, (due to obvious personal issues) for what they’re ordered to do by Zionist scumfucks, in control of our government.

    I just said that our government elites would gush orgiastic Red Seas out of their orifices if somehow the aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf could be sunk. I suspect the people of Iran would have a thousand times more compassion for those sailors, than John Bolton could muster if his rotten life depended on it. He’d press the button to kill them all if he could personally, so long as it could be blamed on Iran, and we all know it.

    But yet there is this persistent imperative that we all blame the dupes and the pawns, because some of them hail from Nebraska or Wyoming, and likely rode horses and shot guns and have a shirt with an American flag on it. >>shudder<<

    The Eternal Wars for Israel are a bane to America, and a bane to the people who've lost loved ones, and a bane to the people who understand on exactly whose behalf are we waging all of these Satanic wars, and it's NOT on behalf of the simple folks in America’s flyover lands, no matter how much you may hate them personally, for reason that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Persian gulf.

    Peace.

    And no offence, Talha.

    (or any others ; )

  156. Republic says:
    @Mike P

    something like a dirty bomb in some city

  157. From a retreated CIA analyst, I would have expected something more usefuL

    This is a comment, not a real analysis, of the current events.

    What did we learn after reading that paper?
    Trump is a buffoon, and he did not delivered the expectations, and this one is speaking bullshit, and this one is the worst zionist, and so on, and so on. Of course Giraldi knows a very lot more than the average Joe and there is no factual error.
    Nevertheless this reading gave me nothing useful.

    No analytical mind was really working.

    For instance, Giraldi said:
    ” [Trump] came very close to a serious escalation last Thursday when, for reasons that remain obscure, he stopped a planned attack on Iran at the last minute. “

    There is no need to think of hypothetical obscure reasons. They are only needed if you believed that Trump was actually ready to strike Iran. That assumption is baseless, because nobody has the smallest proof that the Trump’s say has any kind of value.

    One must apply Ockam rule, that is to firstly think about the simplest explanation you can build from known facts, without using hypothesis. Here is one:

    As usually, Trump made a big show. He tried bluffing the Iranians to get a deal. They called the bluff. That’s all.

    Here are the factual details:
    Narcissistic Trump cares mainly about Trump. He is starting his reelection campaign. He strongly needs an Historical Deed to be added to its presidential curriculum, because he has nothing to show:
    – no mexican wall
    – no healthcare reform
    – no job relocation
    – no win in trade war. Only costs for now.
    – no swamp draining
    – no working Middle East peace plan
    – no bettering of economy for middle class
    – no historical deed with North korea
    – no historical deed with Venezuela
    – no Great America

    At the same distance from election day, in May 2011, Obama got Ben Laden.
    Trump wanted his Historical Deed: a new agreement with Iran. In order to get it, lazzy Trump believed it was good enough to replay the NorthKorea comedy. Thus he followed the same script. He threatened Fire &Fury, and at the same time, he made it clear he wanted the Iranians to call him. He believed that the other side will start negotiation. But the Iranians did not started anything. Because Trump knows about the old tricks when negotiating, when the Iranians never called, Trump was still expecting them to call at the last minute before the strike. They did not, because it was easy for them to think that Trump was only replaying the North Korea comedy. And furthermore, the NorthKorea affair gave proof that Trump fears war, since he accepted the fake deal given to him by Kim.
    Only then Trump realized his bluff was dead, and he had jailed himself in striking Iran for real.

    Since he had never believed the strike will actually have to be done, it’s perfectly plausible that it actually was the first time Trump began to think about the number of the victims.
    It does not matter so much that there are many other stories running about the Trump reversal circumstances. Every such story that we’ll hear could have been planted for that purpose:

    To hide that Trump bluffed and his bluff got called.

    By the way, is Bolton still very useful for Trump?
    From what I said above, I infer the hypothesis that Bolton got elected by Trump on the promise to Make Trump Great Again

    Here is my prediction: Bolton will be fired if its last hope of an Historical Deed, the Israel/Palestine big peace agreement, doesn’t succeed.

    • Replies: @By-tor
    , @Wally
  158. Realist says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    My recommended Final Solution to ‘da surreal “Realist”: Shun his shit. (💤igh)

    So you’re recommending a decrease in traffic to the Unz Review???

  159. Talha says:
    @Rurik

    And no offence, Talha.

    None taken and your point is duly noted.

    Peace.

  160. Realist says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    As a part-time Scranton School District bus driver…

    No surprise there.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  161. Z-man says:

    The obvious false flag attacks on those tankers on two seperate occasions obviously perpetrated by our closest ‘friend’ Izz’rael, is glossed over by the controlled MSM. Why would the Iranians sabotage a Japanese tanker carring Iranian products while the Japanese PM, Shinzō Abe, is there. The Iranians and even the Japanese mocked Plump’eo and Bolton’s assertion.
    Plump’eo and Bolton have to be excized out of Trump’s administration post haste and we all have to pray for Adelson’s quick demise.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  162. @Wally

    Breitbart is pure fake.

    Breitbart is paid by zionist oligarchs.

    Breitbart ever speaks against Iran, like every zionist ever do.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • Replies: @Art
    , @Wally
  163. By-tor says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Bin Laden- the old man in those videos with a Krinkov- was less of a threat than Iraq’s non-existant WsMD that neocon liars Bush-Cheney and Blair carried on about.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  164. “Name one”

    Pressed and answered.

  165. geokat62 says:
    @Rurik

    We are literally dying to serve the fiend…

    Hey, Rurik. I think your excellent comments could become even more powerful if you considered replacing the amorphous term “fiend” with a term that puts the blame squarely on those truly responsible for the many crimes against humanity they’ve committed…. i.e., “Jewish Supremacists.”

    My hope is that every Unzer starts using this term, exclusively, in every one of their comments.

    Just a suggestion.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
  166. Art says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Breitbart is pure fake.

    100% correct.

    It is a Jew takeover of the right (alt-Right).

    End of Story

    • Agree: Z-man
  167. @Astuteobservor II

    In my opinion, you are right on the principle, but:

    Chineses are very aware about the risks of oil embargo since 1941.
    They fighted Japanese at the time, and they saw the effect of the American oil embargo on Japs army. Deng Xiao Ping was an high officer in this fight. I believe that when writing the new program for future China, he probably did not forget to carve strong statements about the need to remedy that danger.

    At the beginning of this century Chineses began nuclear plant, and electric vehicle, and windmills and solar panel, and so on. At the time, lot of people blinked to the apparent opposition between ecology and nuclear. There was one common rational: to remedy the danger of oil embargo.

    Well, in 2001 they believed they had a way to secure oil, by means of a direct pipeline linking China and Gulf. By the effect of an absolutely random event, the pure effect of bad luck, the plan went down when US invaded Afghanistan…
    Just before the talibans got bombed, they had refused a deal offered by an US pipeline corporation (Unocal, if I remember rightly). I believe they refused because they had a better offer from a Chinese pipeline corporation.
    The China-Gulf oil link is the real reason why US stay in Afghanistan.

    We could also think about the small plane which departed from Karachi and mysteriously disapeared in sea. It carried the Afghani main officer about geology, an Chinese officer of a pipeline corporation, and other relevant men (one Iranians plus I can’t remember if also a Pakistani or an Indian). That news had perfused by small bits in several mainstream media. It was the exact first day of a big bombing campaign by USA (can’t remember if it was Afghanistan or Irak).

  168. @geokat62

    Hey geokat!

    Am a Continuing Ed. student of Orwell’s essay, “Politics and the English Language,” and I fully support commenter use of the accurate name, “Jewish Supremacists.” Thanks, 👍!

    P.S.: Am totally into Rurik-Thought, but use of the singular “Fiend”😈flies high & way outside the target plate.

  169. @Curmudgeon

    There are plenty of reasons to distrust every other country on the planet.

    Bingo. Plenty of reason to distrust anyone in a position of power as well, especially if they thirst for it.

  170. @DESERT FOX

    … I have emailed and called our 2 senators and 1 rep. many times over the years about the FED and IRS to no avail, the problem remains in the congress aka the lower house of the knesset.

    Back around the time that quill and ink started to become obsolete, I gave up writing to those hopeless morons as well. Local and state job holders are no better.

    CO is another one who’s consistently correct.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Paul C.
  171. @Realist

    What fight is that?

    If that has to be explained, it’ll never be understood. Therefore I’m not the man to ask if you want an explanation.

    • Replies: @Realist
  172. @Z-man

    Why would the Iranians sabotage a Japanese tanker carring Iranian products while the Japanese PM, Shinzō Abe, is there.

    Because, in a face to face meeting, they could tell Abe about the attack just before it happened. This way, they could convince it was their deed. Since it was only an oral say, no material proof was left.

    By the way, no one was injured. The Iranians helped to rescue the boat, which can be repaired. There was no real damage. Iranians wanted only to demonstrate they could block the oil flow going through pipeline to Fujairah.

    It’s the like of Putin firing an hypersonic Khinzal; He do that because he needs to demonstrate his power. He is not wanting to do real harm.

    By the way, for what I remember from French media, the oil inside the Jap tanker was not from Iranian source. Did not Japan stop to buy Iranian oil?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  173. @S

    With Crassus’ money and connections, many men would have been content, but Crassus was not one of them..’

    Nice one!

    I hope that someday “we” find a way to deal with the type, but I know I’ll never see it.

  174. @Twodees Partain

    I, for one, will be looking forward to your observations when yer finished. Thanks in advance!

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  175. @AnonFromTN

    Agree button already used. Excellent.

    (And no, I am not attempting to “kiss up!”) 🙂

  176. @Realist

    Hooboy…

    “Give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and insight to know the one from the other.”

    And the good sense to just quit preaching, especially when it’s obnoxious, though funny, as Hell?

    Shit or get off the pot.

    That’s not always how it works. Sometimes a person has to shit, then get off the pot.

    And stop whining like a little girl.

    Yeah, OK boss! Would you rather we whine like an Israeli sol-jer with a wet diaper instead?

    Now Fido, please get back on topic and do some real fighting. Grrrrr! Bow wow! Woof woof!

    • Replies: @Realist
  177. @neprof

    Interesting question.

    35 people aboard is a very plausible number for a plane this size. It is quite less plausible for an inteligence plane, which is full of electronics cabinet. Look at the picture in wikipedia. My guess is that Iranians told the number they believed most plausible. They were wrong, but Trump did not contradicted at this time because he wanted to say Iranians had been wise. Trump just had reneged its planned strike, don’t he?

  178. @ChuckOrloski

    Hey CO, how does he know that, “None of the commenters here are doing anything about the Zionist ‘problem’.”?

    Must be one of them modern kidz with a short attention span who’s addicted to instant gratification. If so, and in any case, one wonders why she’s commenting here. I wonder what her “solution” could be.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @L.K
  179. @By-tor

    And furthermore, Ben Laden was probably dead since ten years ago, when great peaceWarrior Obama killed him.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  180. @Rurik

    It’s really tiresome to have to keep reminding people that all these Zio-wars are not being done on behalf of White (cowboy) Americans. That’s idiotic.

    Depends. There are cowboys like the ones you seem to be mentioning, then there are cowboys who are all hat and no cattle, like Bush and Cheney to name two, although I suppose someone could argue that they never benefitted from serving the fiend, then there are cowboys like Bolton and tRump who shoot from the hip and shoot their mouths off in service of the fiend and they probably get something from serving the monsters though you could still argue that the Zio-wars are not done on their behalf.

    Anyway, I’m not convinced that Talha or anyone else mean(t) (s) the cowboys you feel compelled to defend, so you probably don’t need to tire yourself out over it. But thanks anyway.

    I wonder what Hoss Cartwright would say about them Zio-freaks.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  181. @renfro

    I am trying not to take any side if I can. Although I am taking a little bit Russian side because US deep state is absolutely determined to destroy Russian federation. I have got little bit upset by dirty work of CIA in Georgia and particularly in Ukraine. On the other hand I am deeply sorry what is happening to US white population by Zionist Globalists with their multicultural policies and emigration.
    So the survivor of white race will be in hands of Russia and the rest of Slavic countries.
    We should all realize that in international policies there is no such thing as nobility, and seeking truth and justice. Every country is pursuing their own interest. And so is US and so is Iran.
    All excuses and justifications are nothing but clouts under which dagger is hidden.
    At present the world hegemony is in the hands of US. But the idea of full spectrum dominance is now crumbling. But it will be not a war or politics or military power that will put the end of it.
    It will be by Chinese by rail and road initiative unifying Euro-Asian continent in one economic block. (remember Bismark)
    US is still trying yo keep its hegemony, particularly by military means. And I do understand that, and I also have some nostalgic sympathy for it.
    But now military posture of Iran is not only not helpful, because it only will elongate the US hegemony.

    • Replies: @renfro
  182. @Jacques Sheete

    Thanks, Jacques. I hope you saw my (late) reply to your question about the Japanese gold confiscation before and during WWII. It referred to this book:

    https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/233042/gold-warriors-by-peggy-seagrave/9781844675319/

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  183. @Parisian Guy

    Parisian Guy, him speak with forked Family Guy 😄 tongue, and to Z-man, him speakum: “… the like of Putin firing an hypersonic Khinzal; He do that because he needs to demonstrate his power. He is not wanting to do real harm.”

    Admittedly, cannot speak any French, but re; above, W.T.F.?

    Hm.

    Him, Rolling Snake Eyes Adelson, want t-Rump to do kemisabe Rouhani real harm, but him Pale Face Putin dun ‘givum Iran heap big S-300s and dem do’em better than takin’ wasted hits on Long Knives peace pipe.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  184. @Jacques Sheete

    I recommend reading the book Blood In The Water by Joan Mellen about the joint Israeli and zio/US attack on the USS Liberty, this book details the extent to which the zionists have controlled the US government and believe it, it is shocking and this book needs to be read by every American!

    And of course there is the joint Israeli and zio/US attack on the WTC on 911 , which every thinking American knows that Israel and the zio/US gov did and congress aka the lower house of the knesset knows the truth but are scared to death to do anything about it!

    Joan Mellen has more guts than all the members of congress put together and how she got this book published is a miracle!

  185. @Jacques Sheete

    Hey Bro Jacques!

    Regarding commenter, Realist, who exhibits signs of Advanced Learning Disability, the following old saying comes to mind.

    Realist does not know his ass from a hole in the ground.

    Haha. Thanks & my respect, JS.

    • Replies: @Realist
  186. Uncle Sam says:
    @nsa

    A better word is Jewmocracy.

  187. Lot says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Giraldi and others like him here get $$$ from Iran and Russia.

    They paid Corbyn £20,000 over three years. And that’s just what we know about.

    http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001752.html

  188. Thomm says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    FYI, the fact that the State of Israel did not exist until 1949, in no way proves that the premise that Adelson would ‘rather have served in the Israeli Army’ is wrong. I.e., Adelson could still have felt that way. See if you can recognize the fault in your reasoning.

    There is no fault in my reasoning. A person who served in the US military at some point in 1941-45 could not have predicted that the State of Israel might have existing in 1949. The ‘rather had served’ statement assumes the two militaries existed at the same time.

    Get a clue.

  189. Parfois1 says:
    @MEFOBILLS

    Superb summary of what it is all about. May I add an illustration of the “more immigration” principle at work: political party’s shenanigans.

    The odious Christian Tony Blair ‘s New Labour adopted more immigration as a central political tool to stay in power. Voting patterns in the UK established that the great majority of immigrants had a clear tendency to vote Labour (traditionally the working class party, but less so nowadays) therefore, in order to remain in power long term, all the party bosses had to do was to permanently increase migration to sustain a loyal constituency.

    It did not work that way though. Hordes of Labour voters were dismayed by the consequences on their jobs and neighbourhoods and defected in droves. The upshot is that large areas of England have been permanently changed from pleasant cities, towns and villages to horrible scars of decrepit industrial capitalism where the newcomers from the tropics dwell. Sadly, it is always the case that the poor whites pay for the foibles and betrayal by the ruling elites.

  190. “Giraldi and others like him here get $$$ from Iran and Russia.”

    I have to bite my tongue here.

    I am still waiting for my check from Russia, Saudi Arabia, Jordon, Israel, Venezuela, UAE, and some others.

    Laughing.

    I think you are over playing this article. My understanding is that Dr. Giraldi thinks that Iran should be held on a short leash. However, he does not think there is a case for war. I could be wrong, but that is my understanding. He is making an argument about the soundness of a strategy that has thus far proven failures on multiple fronts against states who pose no threat and with there is not real cause.

    That is not defending Iran as much as it is a defense for avoiding folly as he sees it.

    ________________________________________________

    I still think the monkey on this president’s back is the intel report which he signed off on in the agree column.

  191. @Anon

    Pics of the Bin Laden family with a young Osama are worth a quick squint too.

  192. Parfois1 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    At least you are brazenly honest Elite. Trumpeting the elites’ cause for all to see. As for other qualities, is it your wealth speaking? The alternative is to be branded as the housenegro for his masta.

  193. teo toon says:
    @Anon

    I agree. Yours is not the first such analysis I have read.

  194. Lot says:
    @nokangaroos

    The USA is self sufficient in oil and more than self sufficient in other hydrocarbons (natural gas, propane, butane etc.) We’d see consumers pay more for domestic oil, though probably not all that much since there is no way to move much of that oil abroad to take advantage of higher world prices.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  195. L.K says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Hey CO, how does he know that, “None of the commenters here are doing anything about the Zionist ‘problem’.”?

    Must be one of them modern kidz with a short attention span who’s addicted to instant gratification.

    Nah, ‘realist’ is just employing a different approach to the ‘art’ of trolling…

    I’ve seen the act before under other Giraldi articles… perhaps by a different troll, perhaps the same one…

  196. @ChuckOrloski

    Of course, I do not speak French, but re; above, W.T.F.

    You do not know another foreign language either, because you would not behave that way.
    Perhaps my proficiency of the English language is the root cause of your difficulty in understanding my writings. Maybe not. The cause can also be your own mastery of complex ideas and logic. I can not know because I could not get an evaluation of this last factor from reading your other babblings.

    Anyway, have a nice day.

  197. Parfois1 says:
    @Gracchus Babeuf

    Hello Francois-Noel! Where have you been for the last CCXXV years? Your revolutionary ardour and elan is needed here to man the barricades and keep madame Guillotine busy. Do you remember your cris de guerre: “Nature has given to every man the right to the enjoyment of an equal share in all property”? Let’s get more wisdom from you.

    Oops! Now I remember you had an unfortunate rendez-vous with madame.

  198. @Lot

    ‘Giraldi and others like him here get $$$ from Iran and Russia.

    ‘They paid Corbyn £20,000 over three years. And that’s just what we know about.’

    So you feel Zionists should be the only ones allowed to hand out bribes?

    • Replies: @Lot
  199. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    You still aren’t telling me what you think US ‘interest” in the ME are…..as in why would the US would want to control the ME and pick Iran as a problem instead of Saudi or Israel as a problem.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  200. Parfois1 says:
    @Tom Welsh

    Good point, and a double whammy for the UK loyalists in NATO: diverting oil and gas from them to China and Japan.

  201. @Lot

    ‘Giraldi and others like him here get $$$ from Iran and Russia.

    They paid Corbyn £20,000 over three years. And that’s just what we know about.’

    This is really laughable. ‘They’ (the Zionists) paid Trump 35 million (not thousand) and Hillary Clinton considerably more than that — and that all in 2016 alone.

    And you want to talk about how Corbyn supposedly got twenty thousand pounds?

  202. Parfois1 says:
    @Rurik

    I believe that’s why the carrier was sent, as a sitting duck too irresistible as an easy target for Iran, (or how it will all be spun if they just do it themelves), and sink the ship with all hands, and then screech bloody murder.

    And there are precedents, from the Maine to Pearl Harbor and Gulf of Tonkin. And that sub (forgot the name) lost in the Atlantic, presumably by the Soviets, with all hands.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  203. Biff says:
    @Rurik

    but I think Carlin’s words were “They don’t care about you”.

    “They don’t give a fuck about you!” “It’s a big club, and you and I ain’t in it!”

    George Carlin

  204. Lot says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Middle East’s only democracy versus an Islamic terrorist dictatorship that calls the USA “Great Satan” and burns our flag? Of course a jihadi sides with the latter.

  205. Parfois1 says:
    @Sean

    This is not a court of criminal law with a burden of proof. We can adduce the defendant’s prior behavior and Iran supplied terrorists in Eastern Iraq

    Yet you sound like a criminal lawyer advocating for a thug that has been tramping over all natural, positive and international laws. You are abusing everyone here as stupid with your mendacious brief. I’m sure your fees are as large as your lies – your clients have deep pockets, we know who they are. .

    • Replies: @Sean
  206. Art says:
    @Art

    Tulsi Gabbard must emphasize that she is fiscal moderate – that she will not give away the farm to get votes. Her first priority is to make the farm successful – not the banker.

    Tulsi must claim the moderate Democrat mantle of JFK – who was totally moderate and totally pro-American. He and she share uniformed service to our country. He wanted to make nuke treaties – so does she. JFK was willing to meet the worst of foreign leaders – so is Tulsi. Little has changed. She and he have the same domestic enemies – the military industrial complex and the CIA.

    All of the above is 100% true – if she says those things – with her winning grace – she will be on to debate #3.

    Art

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Twodees Partain
  207. @Lot

    What about oil imports from Mexico or Canada? Is their effect neutral, because they translate in further exports from USA? In that case, there is enough link to the abroad market. Thus the global marginal buyer would fix the price inside USA. Don’t you believe?

    • Replies: @Lot
  208. @Parisian Guy

    An interesting comment.

    If the Eurasian project ever kicks off and China links to Europe, the US will be left out of an area of major future economic/industrial/technological development and will spiral into decline. That which was US’s advantage in the past, its geographical isolation from major areas of conflict, will be its downfall. I suppose all that is left to the US is to angrily keep lobbing molotovs at those trying to progress in this world in order to keep its dominance. Or it can just settle to looking great in the movies Hollywood churns out. At least for the home audience as others may not be buying their pictures for much longer.

    These are not just interesting times we live in, these are crucial times.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  209. @renfro

    You must read first “The project for new American century”. You find it on the internet.
    You must understand its ideology. Middle est was only first testing ground of this ideology.
    Middle east was supposed to be only first step of globalization of the all world.
    The purpose of Globalization was to install all over the world obedient governments to US even by force if necessary.

    • Replies: @renfro
  210. @Parfois1

    This boat could not be the bait ship. The bait ship is either a flawed one (the Maine), or obsolete ones (Pearl Harbor). It is basic common understanding that when starting war you have better to spare your working tools and sacrifice only the unfitted. Sorry! You did not do your homework enough to get your examination in Real History 101 (unless we could speak a little about some bribe).

  211. Sean says:
    @Parfois1

    No, quite the opposite. I am the one pointing out that legal burden of proof does not apply.The legalism on Unz is exemplified by the reigning doctrine here that anything the US government says about Iran is the fruit of the poisonous tree and as such must be ignored.

  212. Parfois1 says:
    @Rurik

    You ooze justified rage, and wisdom with the canine allegory. How can some people sleep? Maybe because a conscience is missing. Is that a Jewish “thing”? I confess I don’t know much about Jewish people, having met only one who claimed his ancestors were expelled from Portugal and ended up in England. He was sort of chummy and gave me a timely warning should I one day commit an indiscretion and come to their attention (code for saying some home truths) because it would be reported to the synagogue elders.
    Is that probable? Seems a bit outlandish overkill – imagine sneaking on you to the local Mossad bobby!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  213. It is rather shallow fare to rest on the legality of the US invasion of Iraq. Thjat observation misses the point. The contention has been stated repeatedly, that Iran has no ambitions save peaceful co-existence. Yet, when opportunity arrived to demonstrate as much they were sponsoring attacks against the US who was actually aiding the Shia of Iraq gain a greater share of power. That behavior undermines any contention of “peaceful co existence”. They used that environment to foment war against the US and the Sunnis of Iraq in a state of ever potential civil conflict. Furthermore the Iranians are still engaged in military operations inside Iraq which undermines their contention. As i noted previously, I take the Islamic Iranian revolution seriously. And while they are entitled to engage in their own agendas. But make no mistake, they are not peaceful observers.

    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/irans-involvement-iraq

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/15/world/middleeast/iran-iraq-iranian-power.html

    http://parstoday.com/en/news/iran-i105981-iraq_seeks_air_defense_cooperation_with_iran_after_irgc_downing_of_us_drone

    And its long past time to get off the CIA made it happen go cart. The CIA operation in Iran was but a tad if that. The struggle to be the ruling agency in Iraq goes back to the 1900’s. If one reads the intel after action report, even the Iranian intelligentsia downplay if not down right dispute the aid of the CIA as a major player.

    As I stated, the CIA gets played more than they are the players and the ME is loaded with those examples.

    ——————————————————–
    ““Plenty of reasons to mistrust Iran,” but USA behaviour is above reproach.”

    As I have indicated that is not the case.
    _________________________________

    “The Embassy was a CIA station (proved by the tens of thousands of documents that were saved from the furnace); that is why the revolutionaries targeted it.”

    No. The Embassy was targeted because Iranians were angry that the US supported the Shah. And as consequence vented their anger at the embassy. No. The embassy was not a CIA station, though clearly, the CIA operated within its boundaries. Hardly a shock that intelligence operations occur from within embassy borders.

    “Ruholla Khomeini was not even in Iran at the time; he was in exile in Paris.”

    Not at all relevant since it was his authority through and with whom negotiations were conducted.

    “Occupying the US Embassy in Teheran in 1979 was morally equivalent to French partisans attacking an SS headquarters in Vichy.”

    Complete and utter nonsense. The CIA was not rounding any Iranian citizens for any reason. They seriously miscalculated events, but they were not an occupying power. You might want to re-examine your historical comparisons before making such sweeping generalizations.

    “The US Embassy occupation was undertaken by irregulars – call them insurgents or revolutionaries as your tastes dictate. ”

    We did not negotiate with the students or “irregulars”. We negotiated with the government of Iran. Enough said as to who was the responsible party.

    —————————————–

    “If you want to read an excellent book on the CIA and on how among other things they caused the Vietnam war on behalf the elites who profited off of it, get the book The Secret Team the CIA and its Allies in Control of the World, by the late Col. L. Fletcher Prouty.”

    I will see your reference and raise you with

    “Legacy of Ashes” and “Ghost Wars”

    —————————————————
    “But given the history of official explanations of the US govt for various wars (Lusitania &WW1, Pearl Harbour & WW2, Tonkin Gulf & Vietnam, USS Liberty, etc.), I can’t say I trust them any more than I might trust the Iranians.”

    I think my position on adhering to treaties is fairly simply spelled out. Minus some actual break — all parties should abide by them and change should be by mutual meeting as opposed to brow beating.

    ——————————————————

    “At least you are brazenly honest Elite. Trumpeting the elites’ cause for all to see. As for other qualities, is it your wealth speaking? The alternative is to be branded as the housenegro for his masta.”

    Laughing. I am afraid you are unfamiliar with views. And my lousy sense of humor. But Israel and Saudi Arabia owe me some serious cash.

  214. Netanyahu has tried murder of Iranian scientists, Stuxnet, and now that he has a dupe in the WH he’d like to attack from the air while the US backs up the IDF. The only thing that can cause Trump to back off is Russia. Will Putin speak up for Iran?

    just read “Blood In The Water” by Joan Mellen

    I read it. It was good. Though IMO it went a step too far in its assessment of Pres. Johnson’s role in the attack on the Liberty.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  215. ““But given the history of official explanations of the US govt for various wars (Lusitania &WW1, Pearl Harbour & WW2, Tonkin Gulf & Vietnam, USS Liberty, etc.), I can’t say I trust them any more than I might trust the Iranians.””

    No issues from me to holding our government to account to its agreements and honest dealings.

  216. @Parisian Guy

    Pretty crazy but also extremely plausible. If that is the real reason, that adds a whole different aspect to the 911 bombings. It is killing a lot of birds.

    Chinese economy was only around 1 trillion back in 2001 though, USA was already preempting their energy security? Crazy.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  217. Wally says:
    @Parisian Guy

    – Breitbart is definitely Zionist, but so what? Get in line, that fact is well known.
    But that is simply irrelevant to the facts about Trump’s tax cut

    – And, you have not refuted or even attempted to refute the information about the Trump tax cuts that was in the Breitbart references I provided. Why?

    -PLUS, Breitbart is simply reporting on information from other sources.
    Pay attention.

    And of course you also dodged the other reference which was NOT taken from Breitbart.
    IOW, your full of crap.

    Here’s more on the benefits of the Trump tax cuts:

    Trump’s Tax Cuts: One Year Later, There’s Much To Celebrate: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-tax-cuts-economy-deficits/
    Media are being dishonest about Republican tax bill’s treatment of the middle class
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/media-are-being-dishonest-about-republican-tax-bills-treatment-of-the-middle-class
    How Trump’s Tax Cuts Are Helping the Middle Class: https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/06/17/how-trumps-tax-cuts-are-helping-the-middle-class/

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  218. If the same fate befalls Iran as befell Iraq they’ll have no-one but themselves to blame. After Saddam Hussein realised that playing America’s stooge against Iran wasn’t going to pay off, he was willing to forget and forgive the dispute and the dead in the war against Iran, and invited his former enemies to join him in his campaign against Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states to rid the peninsula of American bases and their local satraps. Iran politely declined and only offered to act as a parking lot for the Iraqi air force. Together they could have stood a better chance than each separately several decades apart against the same foe. When all can see the writing on the wall, what is holding them back from creating a united front against the common enemy, except their own stupidity? When it was revealed that Wesley Clark threatened to destroy seven countries in five years you would have thought that those seven countries would have taken note and allied themselves to prevent what was coming to them.

  219. Realist says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    So you choose to whine and do nothing.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  220. Realist says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    If that has to be explained, it’ll never be understood.

    Nice cop out.

  221. Realist says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Regarding commenter, Realist, who exhibits signs of Advanced Learning Disability, the following old saying comes to mind.

    Realist does not know his ass from a hole in the ground.

    Chucky you are the come back king. I see you little girls are gossiping about me. Having a little confidence crisis are you Chucky???

  222. @Twodees Partain

    Thanks. I’m glad you took the time to mention it since I did miss it. Appreciate the link too.

  223. @Wally

    Yes I did not discussed your references. Here is why:
    – I’m in no hurry to discuss with you. From what I remember of your writings, your are the kind of binary mind. Therefore you are not deserving any focus from my part.
    – I don’t care about the matter of taxes. I have found out a very smart scheme for evading the IRS, which is I’m French by birth, and my ancestors too, for as long as it had been recorded. Perhaps even before the Italian immigration schemed by Julius Caesar.
    – I know a lot about propaganda in economics matter, and do not need more material for observation and analytic study of such propaganda.
    – You can hate me as much as you love to hate. As a not-greedy Freudian analyst, I will only charge you at the 80$/30 minutes rate. For that price, I’ll hear all your complaints about how your mother spoiled your relationship. That’s a discount you’ll find nowhere else. What a lucky boy, you are today.

  224. Just to be clear despite any disagreements we have on issues,

    I am unaware of any evidence that Dr. Giraldi operates as a foreign agent and receives payment for the same.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  225. @EliteCommInc.

    Just to be perfectly clear on the issue I have never received or solicited any money from any foreign government. The organization that I am executive director of, The Council for the National Interest, likewise does not receive any foreign money and operates solely on contributions from American citizens who are concerned about the U.S. government’s toxic relationship with Israel. The claim that I receive foreign government money came from someone commenting on this site named Lot, who is presumably an Israeli or Jewish, or perhaps even a made-up troll. It is false and possibly a reflection of Lot’s own presumed genetic make-up which sees everything in terms of money.

  226. @Art

    Tulsi is just another Zionist shill:

    • Replies: @Art
  227. WhiteWolf says:
    @Sean

    It was a mistake to say Iran had blown up tankers and shot down drones yes. It was a mistake to say he was going to do something and then not do it yes. A much bigger mistake would have been to continue this obvious farce and turn it into a major war just to not look weak. Trump at least looks sane and no one is going to mistake the US as being militarily or even economically weak anytime soon.

    If a huge heavily built man with a history of killing people with his bare hands acts weak it’s not like people are going to be lining up to take him on in a fight.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Sean
  228. geokat62 says:
    @Philip Giraldi

    It is false and possibly a reflection of Lot’s own presumed genetic make-up which sees everything in terms of money.

    Ouch!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  229. @Philip Giraldi

    I checked out The Council for the National Interest’s website for the first time today and it looks like there are other fine folk involved such as Alison Weir.

    It looks like an organization that’s well worth supporting.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  230. @Jacques Sheete

    Two of the Council’s founders ( or is it the two founders?) experienced combat, and the fact that they know what’s going on make them credible in my eyes.

    Congressman Paul “Pete” McCloskey, The Council for the National InterestFounder

    … decorated Marine veteran …

    Mr. McCloskey received the Navy Cross, Silver Star and two Purple Hearts as a Marine rifle platoon leader in the Korean War …

    Congressman Paul Findley, Founder

    … Mr. Findley served as a Naval officer with the Seabees in the Pacific in World War II …
    Mr. Findley is the author of the best-selling book They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel’s Lobby, first published in 1985 and most recently updated in 2003. This was the first book to expose the power of the Israel Lobby throughout the United States: in Congress, academia, and the press. A reviewer noted:

    “Because he questioned blind American support of Israel, the lobby deprived a conscientious Illinois congressman of the seat he occupied for 22 years. In doing so, it freed Paul Findley to write the most powerful expose to date of Israel’s abuse of American trust, a book which may prove Admiral Moorer’s prediction to him that ‘the American people would be goddam mad if they knew what goes on.’”

    Anyone who’s been in the military for more than a few weeks should know what’s been going on, should be goddam mad about it too, and it’s encouraging to know that some are.

    Thanks again PG!

  231. @geokat62

    As Phil Giraldi “called it as he saw it” and said to Lot, “It is false and possibly a reflection of Lot’s own presumed genetic make-up which sees everything in terms of money,” and as followup commentbgeokat said “Ouch” which is how Lot should react but will not.

    Hey Bro geokat!

    I am creator of the following evidence-based finding which is illustrative of how Supremacist Jews see their economic intercourse with the rest of dumb goyim mankind: Selah, Eat from Israeli vine and you are mine. 😈

    Linked down below, and fyr, is a You Tube video (ouch) which covered Jared Kushner’s “Peace to Prosperity” workshop address in Bahrain. Supremacist Jew, Treasury Secreatary, Steve Mnuchin, led the Trump delegation and during brief camera spotlights upon him, I could not tell who was the “Homelander,” seated beside him. (Zigh) Any clue, geo?

    Thanks for your persistent U.R. service, & as always, my respect.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  232. @WhiteWolf

    … it’s not like people are going to be lining up to take him on in a fight.

    Only a small proportion of people are willing to fight or even stand up to a bully in any case. Most people seem to want only to be left alone and it takes a lot to get them to fight or even support fighting which is why we have propaganda, empty promises, and false flags.

    Who can guess from whence I gleaned this?

    … all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.–Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

    • Replies: @Sean
  233. RobinG says:
    @Art

    She [Tulsi] and he [JFK] have the same domestic enemies – the military industrial complex and the CIA.

    Don’t forget the DNC. They sent out invitations to debate watch parties. There are photos of 11 candidates for tonight – none of them Tulsi, even though she will debate tonight.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Art
  234. @Astuteobservor II

    Yes because it was possible to know in 2000 that China was bound to heavens.

    I saw it at the time. Look at what i said a few hours ago: http://www.unz.com/article/iran-goes-for-maximum-counter-pressure/#comment-3291445
    (could not get the link accurately, the comment is N° 264)
    My guess is it was predictible since 1997 when China very fastly recovered of the asian economic crisis; I did not saw it so much in 1997 because it required some economic knowledge I did not still had. But now I can see that the 1997 recovery was the proof that China was directed by world-class knowledgable economists. They just said to the IMF nerds to shut up, and went their way through the recovery sooner than any other Asian country.
    Let’s check the list:
    -high smartness
    -sovereign country
    -nuke (in case)
    -growing
    -stable politics (no energy spent in fake show )
    -hard-working and greedy

    You did not know at the time. Sure, their was lot of propaganda; To tell the truth about the China miracle would have strongly questionned all economic dogmas of Americans. These dogmas are needed to legitimate or hide the plundering by banks and corporations.

    So this long digress was actually to answer your comment: Yes I saw China coming this way around 2000-2003, and I could have done it sooner.
    Therefore it is obvious that somewhere in Pentagon and in Langley also someones with better info than myself knew it better and sooner.
    By the way, if my memory is not cheating me: Was not also Ron Unz a precog about China?

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Ron Unz
  235. @Wally

    Haha! So comical how Wally persists to cheerlead for the t-Trump administration Supremacist Jews. Haha. Wally wrote:
    “Yes, Trump Is Winning: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/10/16/yes_trump_is_winning_423863.html
    Trump delivering on vow to shrink government.”

    🙄! In TIME feature article, May 17, 2019, it is written that “Trump War With China Could Cost The Average American Family of Four up to $2,300 a Year.” Uh, times (X’s) that invoice by ZUS population, the national casualty cost might be $6 million. (Zigh)

    Haha. Even the Supremacist Jew rag, The New York Times, opined that Trump’s action against China is a “new tax on Americans.
    Hm. Even Jewish Nobel Prize winner for Economics, Paul Krugman, opined in NYT, “Trump’s China trade war is wrecking America’s farm economy. How ironic, rural areas are the only parts of the country where the president enjoys positive approval ratings.” Haha. Ninetheless, Cargill & Monsanto Multinational Corporations🤑 still luv t-Rump.

    Haha. Go, Wally, go! Hosannas to t-Rump’s keeping promises to The Fed and Wall Street banks. Haha.

    If ZUS presidential candidates & elections were not Jewish Lobby selections, (💤igh) and given t-Rump can’t reach a favorable Goldman Sachs deal with powerful Xi, he will have raised prices for ‘Merikan consumers and worsen damage to the Supremacist Jew economy.

    Haha! By further slowing “growth,” upon which ‘guvmint economic statistics are routinely stilted, * PreZident t-Rump might be slated to lose his re-election’s pre-selection status.🙄

    Get on the ball, Wall! Stick at how to shrink & overturn the Holocaust fable.

    * Paul Craig Roberts is a terrific source to learn about the real state of my “Homeland” economy.

  236. WhiteWolf,

    I agree, but Trump is just another US president and the US has a history of softening up opponents to swat them easier later on. Look at the case of Iraq. Bush senior drove Iraqis out of Kuwait and did some damage to their forces. Then throughout the Clinton era just sanctions and some bombings to enforce the no-fly zones, then Bush Junior moves in for the kill on a thoroughly weakened Iraq. Iran is now in that stage of sanctions just waiting like a sitting duck for the inevitable whenever it comes. And Iran will lose the war just as Iraq lost the war. But then the US didn’t truly win the Iraq war as its occupation was completely unsuccessful and did not stabilse the country. This is how it looks going on past experience. In fact the US war against Iraq had strengthened Iran’s position with the Shiite control over Iraq, so maybe it will not be so easy. If Iraq, Syria and Lebanon were all to rise up against the US and its Gulf and Saudi allies in case of an attack on Iran then maybe the outcome may be different but I somehow think they’ll just be watching bystanders.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  237. TJ says:

    Regardless of Trump’s foibles and weaknesses, he has a looong way to go to be worse than Billary would have been. A lot of his problems are due to opposition from the corrupt WDC establishment (I guess that’s redundant) and the rabid Trump-hating Jackasses (and some Dumbos) and their irrational refusal to work with Trump on any issue, regardless of the good it would do the country, because they can’t abide the thought of Trump getting credit for anything.

    The problems that Trump is having in foreign policy show just how difficult it is to negotiate the complex world situation and to overcome the opposition he faces from neo-cons like John Bolton (in addition to that of the Jackasses). I believe that he is doing the best he can under the current circumstances.

    Another big problem seems to be the gravitational pull of the past. Much of what our central government does is unconstitutional, but it has become institutionalized. What’s left of our constitutional republic is so far removed from the Constitution and its original intent that it would be impossible for one man to correct the course, regardless of his desires to do so. It’s all Trump can do to keep from getting sucked down by the swamp and becoming part of it.

  238. @Philip Giraldi

    I appreciate the comment. No issues – I have no doubt of your commitment to defend the US and serve her interests and those of US citizens.

    (I did wince at the “genetic” aside)

  239. I don’t think we will stop any “unnecessary wars” unless we are willing to confront and call out “secret societies” like the extremely Zionist-friendly CFR. Their reach completely runs through government, media and the corporate world.

    Below is a video of anti-war CFR member Tulsi Gabbard running away when Jeremy Rothe-Kushel, someone Giraldi shared a panel discussion with, asks the Congresswoman about the Israel & Microsoft & Pentagon Cloud Security. Is that the behavior of someone who will stand up to the Zionist war agenda?

    Here is a quote from ‘The Doctrine of Fascism’ written by Benito Mussolini. “Fascism recognizes the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonized in the unity of the State.”

    Let that quote sink in and then look at the following graphic. Despite Wikipedia’s attempts to distort the definition, this is the real definition of Fascism from “Il Duce” himself. Ask yourself if the United States is not a Fascist state where government and corporatism are unified in the new Globohomo theology.

    Watch at around the 10:30 minute mark.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @RobinG
    , @Art
  240. @RobinG

    Dear RobinG!

    I note with respect how you said: “There are photos of 11 candidates for tonight – none of them Tulsi, even though she will debate tonight.”

    When “Homeland” voters are offered a debate involving 11 candidates, a setting for careful listening is established, but it’s one which paves a path toward the onerous Jewish Supremacist path to national cognitive dissonance.😒

    The DNC’s having not provided a pic of the attractive Democrat candidate Tulsi appears to resemble how Debbie Wasserman Schultz plotted against The Bern who, no doubt, does not have Clark Gable good looks.

    Then, (💤igh), enthusiastic debate watchers are subjected to topics assembled by carefully selected “moderators” who will control the debate parameters, & of course, determine which of 11 candidates gets most attention.

    Unless Tulsi Gabbard has ZUS Supremacist support which is unknown to voters, she enters tonight’s debate, lesser, & like once did Senator Rand Paul (R, Ky)

    My respect, Lady RobinG, and I sincerely trust you will enjoy & learn from tonight’s entertainment. Thanks.

  241. @Commentator Mike

    During the Iran/Irak war, Irak had full support of US and Europe, Iran was alone and Iran has then demonstrated its ability to withstand adversity.

    In the US many people seem to have an opinion similar to yours concerning the weakness of Iran and I don’t know the truth since what we are earing is mostly propaganda.

    What is sure, is the Iranians are not fools nor criminals and they will not trigger the war. The criminals are those who want to oblitarate Iran on behalf of Israel.

    I have not been talking about Saudi-Arabia for money has totally corrupt their elites and thoses nuts believe that by fulfilling Israel’s wishes, they will be treated as if they were not goym, they will have the same fate as the king of Babylone under Daniel.

  242. Rurik says:
    @geokat62

    ‘…considered replacing the amorphous term “fiend” with a term that puts the blame squarely on those truly responsible for the many crimes against humanity they’ve committed…. i.e., “Jewish Supremacists.”

    Hey Geo,

    (and thank you [and Brother Chuck] for your kind words)

    B. Chuck also advises..

    use of the singular “Fiend”flies high & way outside the target plate.

    I have used the term Fiend on regular occasions, and I’ve been openly criticized for it, (by people I respect, the others being irrelevant) more than once. And so I’ve tried to restrain myself from its overuse, but still find myself using it from time to time.

    I suppose it behooves me to explain what I mean by The Fiend, having invoked it so often.

    It isn’t necessarily anything uniquely ‘Jewish’, or even Jewish ‘supremacist’, even if most of the time, that’s whom I’m referring to, at least putatively. (Zionist / Jewish supremacists)

    But more to the point, when I use the word, what I’m doing is describing something about the human character that I don’t have any other word to describe. Monster doesn’t cut it. The Elephant man could be characterized as a ‘monster, and yet still be a nice a fellow as you’d ever meet.

    But the men who sat in a room and planed the fire bombing of Dresden, were fiends.

    Just as the people in the Clinton White House, who ordered the burning alive of all the denizens at the Waco compound, were fiends.

    The men who knew of Jerry Sandusky’s and Jimmy Savills’ serial abuse of children, were facilitating fiends. A priest, who uses his position as the earthy manifestation of all that is good and just and Holy, in order to rape little boys, is a stone – cold – fiend.

    It’s the word I use to describe what I hate most in the human psyche. The ‘bully’, as one of the posters here put it recently. But not just any bully. John Wayne Gacy was an ultimate fiend. A man who preyed on the vulnerable and naïve, in order to sate a fiendish lust in his rotten soul. I’ve compared him to John McCain on numerous occasions, and consider them morally at an equal plane. Perhaps they share a cubicle in Hell.

    The ‘fiend’, (as I use the term) isn’t a personification of Jewish supremacy per se, but rather the personification of human cruelty, savagery, abuse, (especially of trust and authority), and sadistic viciousness. I suppose it’s no accident that all of these things are what personifies the Old Testament pig-god. And I’m willing to bet that that has a lot to do with what the ‘Fiend’ is up to in the world today. Because it’s perhaps the most tragic happenstance of our era, that the greediest and most domineering tribe, are the ones who were handed the keys to the world’s wealth, and use it in exactly the way you would expect. (thanks a lot, Woodrow Wilson – NOT)

    But in closing, (yes, yes I know how ‘windy’ I can get ; ), as for the perfect personification of an earthy, mortal fiend, who exhibits all of those dubious characteristics in all too human form, I’d select Dick Cheney as the winner, with the war hag in close second place. And neither of those are Jewish. Which doesn’t help their cause, because one thing at least you can say about the Jewish supremacist scumfucks and fiends, (like Larry Silverstein, among many others), is that at least they’re not betraying their own, (as they see it) on behalf of their worst enemy, like Dick and the bitch do with their every breath.

    Dick Cheney used his position of trust and immense power, to run cover for the most evil crime in human history, (as I see it ; ). A crime of such epic enormity, that the payoff would be the permanent enslavement, not just of his countrymen, but of the entire planet’s people.

    He would preside over the evisceration of American’s Constitutional rights, the slaughter and displacement of untold millions of souls, the facilitation of a depraved, Orwellian police state – to replace the former republic – he was paid and trusted and handed enormous- unprecedented powers.. to protect. And then he used all of that power and trust, to do the opposite.

    He sold us all out, for a handful of contemptuously tossed shekels.

    I don’t consider the Bible to be the literal word of God, but I do think there are lots of proverbs and parables that are, well.. Biblical in their significance, and for me, none other than Dick Cheney can be considered our modern era Judas Iscariot. The ultimate betrayer, and the ultimate fiend.

  243. @Parisian Guy

    They just said to the IMF nerds to shut up …

    Good for them and I hope it’s true. Too bad for the Greeks and others who tried that and were unable to pull it off but instead got betrayed by those elected to get them out and sucked even deeper into the snare.

    Your list of their traits is correct as well.

  244. @Lot

    ‘The Middle East’s only democracy versus an Islamic terrorist dictatorship that calls the USA “Great Satan” and burns our flag? Of course a jihadi sides with the latter.’

    ? Israel certainly isn’t a democracy. Neither Turkey, Lebanon, nor Tunisia are going to war — and Iran is neither a dictatorship nor implicated in terror. What are you talking about?

    …I also note that you avoided answering my question.

  245. TGD says:

    The 1992 “JFK Records Collection Act” mandated that all of the secret files from the Kennedy assassination be released in late 2017.The National Archive eventually released 35,000 documents, most of which were heavily redacted. Trump acceded to exhortations by the CIA and the FBI not to release the really secret documents citing “national security” concerns. The Mary Ferrell Foundation estimates that 21,980 files containing approximately 380,000 pages have been withheld.

    Trump initially stated that he would allow release of all of the documents but then reneged. He said full release including redactions will come in 2021. That is highly doubtful.

    Trump appears to be uncertain of his own ideas and actions and thus is easily persuaded to change his mind. He was thankfully able to shirk the advice of Bolton and Pompeo and call off the bombing of Iran, but you can be sure that sooner or later he’ll be persuaded to order a big strike. I’m wondering if he realizes the consequences of a big war with Iran?

  246. @Jon Baptist

    Ask yourself if the United States is not a Fascist state where government and corporatism are unified in the new Globohomo theology.

    Interesting thing is that it’s a Fascist/Commie hybrid with less emphasis on fascist nationalism and more on “global,” international, one world Communism although both terms are currently out of favor.

    Marx’s 10 planks all describe the situation of the US which should come as no surprise when one considers that the FDR admin was pretty blatantly Pink if not outright Red.

    As for the concept of government-corporatism being unfied, the seeds of that monstrosity were planted by the US constitution in fact. It’s really sad to hear folks praising the thing while imagining that it was imposed altruistically by the ruling elite for the benefit of the masses. In fact, it centralized power and thus established a basis for the growth of the monstrosity you describe and the unnecessary wars PG laments.

    What we have now is the modern day equivalent of the government sanctioned (yet perenially bankrupt) trading and warring ( had its own enforced arm, i.e., army ) monoply known as the British East India Company on steroids. Even the ‘Merkin flag looks a lot like it, so none of this should come as a surprise.

    • Replies: @Jon Baptist
  247. @TJ

    “Regardless of Trump’s foibles and weaknesses, he has a looong way to go to be worse than Billary would have been.”

    LOL! Give it up already. The evil orange clown was the “deep state” pick for president precisely because it is more evil and more reckless than Clinton.

  248. Rurik says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    Depends. There are cowboys like the ones you seem to be mentioning, then there are cowboys who are all hat and no cattle, like Bush and Cheney to name two, although I suppose someone could argue that they never benefitted from serving the fiend, then there are cowboys like Bolton and tRump who shoot from the hip and shoot their mouths off in service of the fiend and they probably get something from serving the monsters though you could still argue that the Zio-wars are not done on their behalf.

    Well Jacques, I’m not happy to say that I suspect you might deserve the Elitecommic award for not-so impressive lexical pirouettes in one paragraph.

    A more determined attempt at not saying that Cheney is not the same as 19 yr old Willie Smith Simpson in Idaho with a Trump sticker on his pickup and a penchant for Country and Western music, would be impressive if it weren’t so manifestly not said.

    Please just don’t include ‘laughing’ in your reply. 😉

    Anyway, I’m not convinced that Talha or anyone else mean(t) (s) the cowboys you feel compelled to defend, so you probably don’t need to tire yourself out over it. But thanks anyway.

    If it weren’t overtly, brutally, glaringly obvious, that many people here do absolutely harbor a distinct and barely restrained hatred for the white, bovine, cud-chewing, lied-to, Americanas of fly over country, then I wouldn’t feel the need to point out the rank, yes racist (in the worst connotation of that word) undertones of that hatred.

    And it isn’t just how some commenters feel about ‘cowboy’, white America. It’s also how some people here feel about ‘Ukros’, or ‘Muzzies’, or thieving ‘Norskies’, or Hebes or Zhids, or God knows how many other tribal hatreds are on full display here at the Unz.

    I just happened to know something about the hated white Americans that so many people here blame for the zio-wars and serial atrocities that zio-America visits all over the planet. And I also know that none of it is a consequence of the intrigues or machinations of Bubba the Southern truck driver. None of it. If there was something about Bubba’s character, that can be blamed, it is his infinite gullibility and his damnable naiveté that makes it impossible for him to comprehend the sheer evil of a man like Dick Cheney.

    Do I regret the infinite dunderheadedness of my fellow American? Of course I do. Do I blame Bubba when the bombs fall on Iraq or Syria? Well, no because at least I’m not that stupid or myopic.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @Anon
  249. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The US Empire is the first top dog in history to deliberately ruin the world order where it was on the top perch. If that is not stupidity, I don’t know what is.

    There is precedent:

    and a commonality

    that is the privately owned (((“Federal’ “Reserve” “Bank”)))

  250. Rurik says:
    @Parfois1

    Thank you, (I think ; )

    (To ‘ooze’ is generally not considered a good thing in the parlance of Americana ; )

    How can some people sleep? Maybe because a conscience is missing. Is that a Jewish “thing”? I confess I don’t know much about Jewish people,

    A lot of people can’t sleep, Parfois, and many of them veterans of the iniquitous and murderous Eternal Wars for Zion, are so spiritually shattered by the sheer evil of it all, that they take their own lives, rather than trying to deal with the nightmares and horrors that haunt them.

    But yes, there is something in the Jewish psyche that is impervious to shame. I suspect it’s a direct consequence of their religious teachings, which are admittedly straight out of Satan’s colon.

    I know of Jews who’re disgusted by a “religious” holiday that celebrates the slaughter of children. And even some that have refused to go home to see their relatives, as long as homage to mass-murder is the point. But Jews are cohesive, and it’s tough on them to be cast out of the good graces of “The Jews”, and so many otherwise decent ones just shuffle along to get along.

    As for the Amercans, I have of late been forced to point out that these wars are not their wars. They vote against them, and don’t want more, but Jewish supremacists in control of our government and institutions force these wars on America, just as they do England and France and so many other countries dominated in absolute terms by Jewish supremacist banksters running the Fed and ECB.

    The only way out of this, is through the Fed.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Nehlen
  251. @Commentator Mike

    ‘…If Iraq, Syria and Lebanon were all to rise up against the US and its Gulf and Saudi allies in case of an attack on Iran then maybe the outcome may be different but I somehow think they’ll just be watching bystanders.’

    Maybe not. Surely they all realize that if Israel and the US manage to attack Iran successfully, an encouraged Israel will simply turn on them next.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  252. @Jacques Sheete

    It’s really sad to hear folks praising the thing while imagining that it was imposed altruistically by the ruling elite for the benefit of the masses….What we have now is the modern day equivalent of the government sanctioned (yet perenially bankrupt) trading and warring ( had its own enforced arm, i.e., army ) monoply

    Jacques, very well put. I agree 100%.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  253. Ron Unz says:
    @Parisian Guy

    So this long digress was actually to answer your comment: Yes I saw China coming this way around 2000-2003, and I could have done it sooner…By the way, if my memory is not cheating me: Was not also Ron Unz a precog about China?

    Actually, since the late 1970s I’d been telling all my friends that I thought there was a reasonably good likelihood that China would come to dominate the world economically, perhaps within just a few decades. Indeed, I think my mid-1980s prodding may have played a role in persuading The Economist to add their Asia section.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/the-long-decline-of-the-london-economist/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/far-east-2/

  254. @Lot

    Thanks for the image, by the way. I intend to put it to good use.

  255. RobinG says:
    @Jon Baptist

    CFR a “secret society?” Get real.

  256. Sean says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    The British conquest of Quebec eliminated the French threat and made British protection superfluous.
    This is a similar calculus of power tom what explains why Israel does not want America to topple Iran. With Iran gone, Israel would face unbearable diplomatic pressure to make a final settlement with the Palestinians. Israel wants to keep things as they are, not eliminate the last country that is a military threat.

  257. @Rurik

    Rurik, just remember that not all cowboys wear white hats.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  258. @Sean

    ‘Israel wants to keep things as they are, not eliminate the last country that is a military threat.’

    The flaw with that argument is that Iran herself isn’t a military threat to Israel.

    Israel just pretends that she is for her own reasons. So if Iran was eliminated, Israel would just pretend someone else was a threat. My guess would be the mantle would fall on Turkey.

  259. Sean says:
    @WhiteWolf

    There is academic work suggesting that powerful countries have difficulty in getting their way by threats.

    Goliath’s Curse: Coercive Threats and Asymmetric Power

    States typically issue compellent threats against considerably weaker adversaries, yet their threats often fail. Why? Expanding on a standard model of international crisis bargaining, I argue that a theory of reputation-building can help shed light on this puzzle. The model casts reputation as a strategic problem, showing that challengers issuing compellent threats have incentives to anticipate the reputation costs that target states incur when appeasing aggressors. If challengers can recognize these costs and offset them with side payments or smaller demands, then even reputation-conscious targets will acquiesce. I argue, however, that military strength contributes to information problems that make challengers more likely to underestimate their targets’ reputation costs and insufficiently compensate them. In this way, military power can undermine the effectiveness of compellent threats. The logic is illustrated by the 1939 Russo-Finnish crisis, and the argument’s implications for the study of coercive diplomacy are explored.

    I agree it is better not to use threats, but that is because once you make a threat then you have to stick by even ill-chosen chosen words or pay very dearly for it. Not just to keep the party being dealt with in line, but because third others are watching. Trumps saying that Iran would be hit then doing nothing is a mistake America will pay dearly for when dealing with China. It makes miscalculation by China and Russia much more likely and thus brings an increased likelihood of major war with those countries.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @WhiteWolf
  260. @Colin Wright

    Colin,

    Maybe, just maybe. But in the past all those Arabs have watched as one country after another fell to US/NATO aggression even though they were told by Wesley Clark that they’re next on the list. It’s like those domino games of a previous era but the US is not even setting up any viable stable or functional regimes but just wrecking nation after nation and reducing them to chaos and ethnic/tribal conflict. I suppose for now they think that is the best way to ensure Israel’s security.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  261. Art says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Tulsi is just another Zionist shill:

    That is so wrong – her anti-regime change stance goes totally against Zionism.

    She does not want to push Israel into the sea – that does not make her a Zionist shill.

    Think Peace — Art

  262. @Rurik

    Where did you get that about Michael Vick??? That’s horrible if it’s true.

    I agree with you that the US has been bullying the middle eastern nations as if its our natural right. I would love to see Iran stand up to us but unless Russia or China weigh in they are in a tough spot.

    Trump is obviously trying to develop a Jewish cheering section to defend him against the Jewish anti-Trumpers. As a Noo Yorker he probably assumes Jewish support is the key to everything. He is under tremendous pressure and it’s hard for us outsiders to determine how many broken promises have been forced on him as opposed to how many he has agreed to needlessly.

  263. Zumbuddi says:
    @Mark James

    Adam Green of Knowmorenews.com has documented Bibi’s boasts that Israel is #1 in the cyber field.

    It’s logical to suppose that Israel carried out “Trump’s” cyber attacks against Iran.

    Also reasonable to suppose Israel made use of JCPOA access to Iran’s facilities, maybe even planted bugs, to perfect US-ziorats’ knowledge of where & how to execute a cyber attack.

    On the hypothesis that it was always US intention to pull out of JCPOA, it’s reasonable to assume that the timing of reneging was based on when US & ziorat spies got all the information they needed.

    Don’t it make you proud to be an American?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  264. anon[311] • Disclaimer says:

    I really wish all the journalists, public intellectuals and pompous pundits would cease writing only about working class jobs taken by Hispanics and acknowledge the professional and middle class jobs taken by legal visa overstay marriage and student visa fraud Asian &Indians.

  265. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:

    Michael Vick ran a fighting pit bull breeding operation for a while. He bred pit bulls to be extra vicious fighters as do all the fighting dog breeders. They have to do the rape stand and restraining harness because the dogs are so aggressive they can kill each other when mating.

    His operation was discovered and closed years ago.
    I don’t see what it has to do with Iran or USA foreign affairs.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  266. @Commentator Mike

    Thus once USA are no more the center of trade, some amount of productive capital will flee.
    Here comes the question of capital and distance.

    I mean:
    – Distance creates transportation costs. Therefore productive capital trends to accumulate in one location.
    – On the other side, it may also push producer to move near its customer. If we speak about protective tarifs in the first years of USA , there was a natural protective tarifs, it was the cost of sea shipping with Europe. So distance may be protective

    There are equations and there is perhaps an equilibrium. Paul Krugman did study them and published academic papers. I remember reading one. It may give ideas for the future US economy

  267. Art says:
    @Jon Baptist

    Tulsi Gabbard trying to avoid situations where she has fall on her sword and make an anti-Jew statement does not make her a pro-Zionist – end of story.

    Clearly, she is fighting against pro-Jew regime change wars. Is that not the most important US issue? Currently she is in no position to stop Pentagon contracts going to Israel – or effecting the USS Liberty situation.

    Calling Tulsi Gabbard Pro-Zionist is a cheap shot and an insult.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Agree: RobinG, Iris, Harold Smith
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  268. Art says:
    @RobinG

    Don’t forget the DNC. They sent out invitations to debate watch parties. There are photos of 11 candidates for tonight – none of them Tulsi, even though she will debate tonight.

    RobinG,

    There is no question but that Big Jew money fears her more then they do Bernie and Elisabeth.

    In the Big Jew media there is no pretense to being honest and fair with her.

    Tulsi and Warren should come out 1 & 2 in the debate tonight.

    Think Peace — Art

  269. @Sean

    Trumps saying that Iran would be hit then doing nothing is a mistake America will pay dearly for when dealing with China.

    I agree on the logic, but I see a different timing.

    The error was done last year, April2018, doing only fake Tomahawk strike against an empty Syrian buiding. Or perhaps it was with Korea.

    Anyway, now is time for the first paiement:
    – one Triton 200M$
    – one public humiliation. The Iranians purposefully shot the Triton in order to exhibit USA impotency

  270. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Ignore this pompous pretentious preacher

  271. @Art

    Art,

    Jon’s just trying to look ahead. Didn’t Trump also promise no more regime change wars and that he was going to pull the troops out of the Middle East? And the anti-Zionist anti-interventionists were even more fanatical for Trump than you seem to be now for Tulsi. And some probably thought that black Obama, coming after that warmonger Bush, was going to pull the troops out and stop intervening. Hope never ends and nothing ever changes. Maybe one day they’ll get a tranny to promise to stop the wars and bring the troops back home and some may cheer it on into office to find out it was just another sellout.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Jon Baptist
  272. @peterAUS

    Trump said today that the US will NOT have any “boots on the ground” in Iran.

    Translation: Will just nuke it and glass it over. See??! No boots required.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @peterAUS
  273. “Ignore this pompous pretentious preacher”

    Huh . . wha . . . ohhh. It’s what its name — never mind.

    Laugh.

    preacher, I should be so honored . . . not even close

  274. @Sean

    The British conquest of Quebec eliminated the French threat and made British protection superfluous.
    Interesting concept.

    How do the Spanish figure in that scenario?

    Also, the French were a “threat” to the Brits, but were they a threat to American interests while they were still under Britain? IOW, the Brits themselves were more of a threat to the Americans than the French, it seems to me, and some of the early Americans as well. Some of the French aided the Americans and the French were not much of a threat to the Indians either, preferring to marry them than slaughter them, I think.

    Like I say, interesting concept and I think the Am Rev was one of the few American wars that was not unnecessary (though some disagree), but in any case it was co-opted soon after it was concluded and “we” merely exchanged one yoke for another.

    As for the Israel/Palestine/Iran issue, I think Israel, like the US, needs at least the appearance of constant tension for many reasons not the least of which is that they are nuts and I pity the Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Sean
  275. @Commentator Mike

    ‘…I suppose for now they think that is the best way to ensure Israel’s security.’

    I suspect it would be more accurate to we think think it’s the best way of doing as we’re told. I doubt if we’re asked for our opinion.

    …have you seen any intelligent discussion of whether Iran really is a terrorist threat, and if she is, what would be the best way of changing that?

    Of course not. It’s not our place to consider the wisdom of Israel’s decisions.

  276. @Charlene Richards

    The US elites might be stupid, but they are not suicidal. Nukes are out of the equation. If nukes start to fly, that would be the end of the world as we know it. The world might even get “Stalin’s strait” – a body of water between Mexico and Canada.

  277. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Olivier1973

    I’ve known climate change is a bogus fraud ever since I read about it in the NYTimes. Every word in the NYTimes is false, so I knew climate change is false.

    As more and more people realize climate change is a hoax the fraudsters changed the name. It’s now called extreme weather aka tornadoes hurricanes floods and drought

    But there’s billions to be made in the non profit fighting climate change sector? No job? No skills? Can you scrape up or borrow $500 for incorporation and tax exempt fees ? Fight climate change and make 100,000k a year as a grant grifter

    • Replies: @Miro23
  278. Anon[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Good for you Ruril

  279. Rurik says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    not all cowboys wear white hats.

    For sure Jacques, I remember as a kid rooting for the black hat, all too often. The white hat guys were always too anemic, and predictable, and goodie-goodie.

    I liked the ones who mocked the sheriff, and made inappropriate ‘hat tips’ towards the young ladies.

    As to the larger question of collective guilt, somehow when I contemplated your viewpoint, vis-a-vis this discussion, I remembered a movie I’ve seen a few times, Hombre, with Paul Newman.

    There’s a scene where a soldier boy (late 19th century) walks into the stage office, and is very affable and even takes up Paul Newman’s character’s defense, only to be humiliated by a ‘cowboy’ thug. (played perfectly by Richard Boone)

    Anyways, after the soldier boy walks out with his tail between his legs, the ladies in the office are indignant at Newman for not defending him, and Newman says, well ‘I just didn’t feel like bleeding for him’, and eventually you discover why Newman didn’t want to help the soldier.

    From the story line, even as it looked ignoble for the Newman character to stay reticent when the soldier was being wronged, by the end of the movie, you understood that we all carry with us a lot of baggage, some of it ‘tribal’. And it’s all valid, every bit. No matter from which perspective you’re coming from.

    I hope people who’ve stumbled upon this will glimmer the meaning behind it.

    Cheers, Jacques.

    • Replies: @Sean
  280. @Zumbuddi

    Zumbuddi asked Mark James: “Don’t it make you proud to be an American?”

    Yes, Z.! Haha. Can’t wait to avoid watching tonight’s Jewish Supremacist’s rigged Democrat presidential candidate. Haha.

    As corrupted ZUS Democrats hammer corrupt t-Rump for corruption,🙄 and meanwhile in Israel, one sees how the corrupt ex-Israel P.M., Ehud Barack, plans to challenge the corrupt & indicted P.M. Netanyahu’s leadership. Even Mighty Arnon Milchan can’t make this shit up, eh Z.?

    Hm. Notice a distinct parallel of misrule in the host (D.C.) & parasite (Tell Aviv) states? Haha.

    At any rate, I predict but (perhaps) one (1) here on this article thread might open themselves to a learning experience from Christopher Bollyn. “Boo,” to Lot & EliteComminc!! Haha.

    Long ago, Mr. Bollyn identified the Labour Party, Ehud Barak, as a key, “Mastermind” suspect in the 9/11 False Flag terror attacks.
    😈 But the ZUS military insists 9/11’s “mastermind” was KSM, and he is locked up in Camp X-ray. 🙄 At any rate, Zumbuddi, linked below is C.B.’s article, “How Ehud Barak pulled off 9/11.” (Zigh) One day, will Ehud get a comeback-shot & arrange for a circumstance that lends to a vicious ZUS attack upon Iran? Thanks, Z.!

    Selah, Toby Keith, uh 1, 2, 3, ‘and ya all best sing-along, “I’m proud to be an ‘Merikan!”

    http://www.bollyn.com/how-ehud-barak-pulled-off-9-11-2/

    • Replies: @Rurik
  281. Art says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Jon’s just trying to look ahead.

    I am looking forward no further than tonight. I want someone to proclaim to all the American people that we should not be doing these regime change wars.

    There are 330,000,000 Americans – we need someone to get up on a soap box and say that loud and clear. God bless Tulsi Gabbard for doing so. I hope she goes on to debate #3.

    Let’s be honest, her chance of becoming president in 2020 is ZERO – she is facing the Jews, their media, the military industrial complex, and the CIA. She is enemy number one to all of them. She has no organizational support from any group.

    Sometimes we are just to cynical for our own good. Why must we hold back on supporting her – she is brave – taking all that crap from the political scum. (I know she will never do all that I want.)

    Think Peace — Art

    p.s. She is like a JFK Democrat. She should advertise herself as that.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @renfro
  282. peterAUS says:
    @Charlene Richards

    Trump said today that the US will NOT have any “boots on the ground” in Iran.

    Stopped paying attention to anything Trump says after the first strike on Syria.

    Translation: Will just nuke it and glass it over. See??! No boots required.

    No need to try to translate anything coming out of Trump’s mouth.
    These things are way above and beyond him.

    There are several scenarios re this thing. One of them ARE boots on the ground. True, another is (tactical) nukes on Iran.
    And the last one is the most interesting. Strategic nukes.

    Things are out of our hands now. Whoever that “we” are. Most of “we” simply don’t care about all this. Understandable, as long as breads and circuses work well.

  283. Rurik says:
    @Anon

    Michael Vick ran a fighting pit bull breeding operation for a while. He bred pit bulls to be extra vicious fighters as do all the fighting dog breeders. They have to do the rape stand and restraining harness because the dogs are so aggressive they can kill each other when mating.

    Very objective, cold analysis of a fiend.

    What you didn’t say is that Vick, unlike other fighting dog breeders, would often torture his dogs to death if they displeased him somehow. Beating them to death, hanging them, or torture-electrocution-drowning, was apparently a favored method. Here is one account..

    …Her candor set the tone for this entire saga. Everyone we worked with was deeply affected by the case. The details that got to me then and stay with me today involve the swimming pool that was used to kill some of the dogs. Jumper cables were clipped onto the ears of underperforming dogs, then, just like with a car, the cables were connected to the terminals of car batteries before lifting and tossing the shamed dogs into the water. Most of Vick’s dogs were small – 40lbs or so – so tossing them in would’ve been fast and easy work for thick athlete arms. We don’t know how many suffered this premeditated murder, but the damage to the pool walls tells a story. It seems that while they were scrambling to escape, they scratched and clawed at the pool liner and bit at the dented aluminum sides like a hungry dog on a tin can.

    I wear some pretty thick skin during our work with dogs, but I can’t shake my minds-eye image of a little black dog splashing frantically in bloody water … screaming in pain and terror … brown eyes saucer wide and tiny black white-toed feet clawing at anything, desperate to get ahold. This death did not come quickly. The rescuer in me keeps trying to think of a way to go back in time and somehow stop this torture and pull the little dog to safety. I think I’ll be looking for ways to pull that dog out for the rest of my life.

    https://vetrescue.blogspot.com/2010/09/i-went-to-continuing-education-meeting.html

    >><<

    I don’t see what it has to do with Iran or USA foreign affairs.

    Well, metaphorically it has a lot to do with it, if you’d had read the original post.

    The point being, that when a man (or a dog) is terribly wronged, it would be prudent for the one who wronged them, to be cautious.

    There is another metaphor vis-a-vis humans and dog-fighting that I’ve pondered, if you’re interested. Ah hell, I’m going to tell you anyways. 😉

    When I discovered what ‘trunking” was, I was angry. If you aren’t aware, ‘trunking’ is when urban thugs get two dogs into an aggressive frenzy, (usually pit bulls, but it doesn’t matter) and then lock them in the trunk of their ghetto hoopty, and drive around, no doubt with a ‘forty and a blunt’, until the sound goes quiet. Then at an inconspicuous spot, they pull over and toss out the loser, generally dead or close to it.

    Now how is this analogous to wars? Well, I suspect you already know by now, and you’re right!

    This is in many ways a perfect, metaphorical analogy of human wars.

    They’re always contrived by men who will not feel one scratch. They are generally very thrilled with the whole process. Some of them make money off the contest, and I fail to see how it’s really any different than telling young men from Germany and England and France that ‘Here’s your rifle, now go over there and kill those other young men, or die trying. It’s going to be loud and bloody and shrieks of agony will fill the air! And at the end, we toss the bodies in a hole, and count up the cash!

    This goes for wars large and small. The whole ‘celebrate diversity’ is little more than human ‘trunking’ for the amusement of Jewish supremacists everywhere.

    Shove those two or more incompatible peoples into the same space, and then check out the fireworks! Oy Vey, look at em fight!

    http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1666489/trunking_the_hidden_world_of_dog_fighting/

  284. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    the corrupt ex-Israel P.M., Ehud Barack, plans to challenge the corrupt & indicted P.M. Netanyahu’s leadership

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/former-pm-ehud-barak-unveils-new-party-challenges-pm/

    Oh God! It’s true

    Ehud Barak gloated on 9/11 that ‘things will never be the same. Everytime you get on a plane or train, you’re going to be treated like a Palestinian, because all you goyim anti-Semites are terrorists anyways, and now we’re going to treat you like it.

    Or something to that effect.

    And now he’s running for (the actual) president of the ZUSA, the very country he masterminded the attack of the century against.

    Wow.

    (Zigh) Brother Chuck. (Zigh)

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  285. @Commentator Mike

    Maybe one day they’ll get a tranny to promise to stop the wars

    Mike, you are definitely not far off the mark. Presidential prospect Buttigieg is fully backed (pun intended) by tranny Pritzker.

    The reason the corrupt system continues is due to people continuing to ignore the obvious even when it is presented directly in front of them. As a result they place the lives of their sons and daughters into the trust of people like Trump, Obama and Tulsi Gabbard. Like Clinton, she will follow whatever “marching orders” are given to her by the CFR. At the very least, Gabbard is a pied piper used to collect the votes of anti-war advocates into a maneuverable block for the benefit of a desired candidate such as Uncle Joe. Biden, who is currently the lead candidate, is a full flaming GloboHomo Zionist. Regarding voting blocks, didn’t most Bernie supporters still vote for Hillary in 2016?

    Like Obama and Trump supporters who will not admit they have been deceived, Gabbard will also have her followers that will refuse to unlearn her campaign-trail rhetoric. MKUltra is not required when soft programming works extremely well on the human mind.

    Champions of Jewish Values 2016 Gala – A Unforgettable EveningA who’s who of Jewish philanthropists and defenders of…

    Posted by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on Wednesday, May 11, 2016

    Champions of Jewish Values 2016 Gala – A Unforgettable Evening
    A who’s who of Jewish philanthropists and defenders of Israel…Tulsi Gabbard is one of the first two female combat veterans to ever serve in the U.S. Congress.

  286. Sean says:
    @Jacques Sheete

    The thing was the French were no longer a real threat but could be presented as the enemy that the British were locking the American in with. The Americans wanted to keep the British army around to do the fighting against the French but with the French threat gone suddenly there was a lot of bullcrap about all men being created equal, liberty and usurpations.

    Only three of the 13 colonies allowed Catholics to vote. All new England colonies except Rhode island and the Carolinas prohibited Catholics form holding office; Virginia would have priests arrested for entering the colony; Catholic schools were banned in all states except Pennsylvania.
    During the lead up to revolution, rebels seeking to stoke hatred of Great Britain routinely equated the practices of the Church of England with that of the Catholic Church. In the late 1760s and early 1770s, colonists celebrated anti-Pope Days,[…]
    In 1774, Parliament passed the Quebec Act, taking the enlightened position that the Catholic Church could remain the official church of Quebec. This appalled and terrified many colonists, who assumed this to be a British attempt to subjugate them religiously by allowing the loathsome Catholics to expand into the colonies. Colonial newspapers railed against the Popish threat. […]” Rev. Samuel West of Dartmouth declared the pope to be “the second beast” of Revelation while Joseph Perry warned his Connecticut neighbors that they would soon need to swap “the best religion in the world” for “all the barbarity, trumpery and superstition of popery; or burn at the stake, or submit to the tortures of the inquisition.” And, he reasoned, English lawmakers were being controlled by the devil; the Quebec Act “first sprang from that original wicked politician.” Commenting on anti-Catholic fervor, historian Alan Heimert wrote that there was “a special and even frenetic urgency to their efforts to revive ancient prejudices by announcing that the Quebec Act—and it alone—confronted America with the possibility of the ‘scarlet whore’ soon riding ‘triumphant over the heads of true Protestants, making multitudes drunk with the wine of her fornications.’” The 1774 Pope Day was one of the grandest in years; in Newport, two large effigies of the pope were paraded. In New York, a group marched to the financial Exchange carrying a huge flag inscribed, “George III Rex, and the Liberties of America. No Popery.”
    Read more at https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/stevenwaldman/2008/04/how-anticatholicism-helped-fue.html#M33PmK3lrXQ8S5uH.99

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
    , @renfro
  287. @Rurik

    Hi Rurik!

    Awareness of Truth is a powerful political thing.

    👍! To strive for awareness is an acute human endeavor.

    P.S.: Vladimir Lenin said, “The wind blows from the Left.” In Israel and USrael, the wind is going to blow from the Zionist Left.

    My respect, Bro, and please give Bollyn a go!

  288. WhiteWolf says:
    @Sean

    The Russians and the Chinese, unlike the US are serious countries with serious leaders who aren’t likely to underestimate the US. It’s pretty clear to everyone now that to defeat the US you only have to wait. The US on it’s current path will destroy itself.

  289. Sean says:
    @Rurik

    I don’t think that scene meant what you thought. If I recall rightly Newman’s character (who has already been seen in the fim as extremely violent when he smashes a glass in the face and then threatens with a rifle someone who insulted his friends) has a unconcealed pistol and laughs in the face of the hulking Boone during his attempt to intimidate him out of his place on the stagecoach , that is when the big strong soldier gets involved and is then forced to give his ticket up when Boone challenges him to a gunfight. One of the other people in the waiting room points out to Newman that the soldier was was not carrying a gun, and Newman says “It’s his business if he doesn’t want to carry one”.

    I suppose the moral as it relates to Iran is twofold
    (1)t those who are not capable of defending themselves should think twice before getting into confrontations
    (2) one is under no obligation to strangers.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
  290. geokat62 says:

    Jewish supremacist, Ben Shapiro, pushing for another war for Israel in What Is Trump’s Plan For Iran:

    Starting @ 5:20:

    If you want to stop this thing in its tracks, you do have to show the Iranians that, if things get real, the Ayatollahs are not only not going to be in charge of Iran anymore… they’re not going to be breathing anymore.

    Ben Shapiro, a real (((American))) patriot!

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  291. Dear Phillip.
    What do you call an Arab foreign minister who is pro Israeli and anti Iranian? A Zionist? Addelson’s money doesn’t mean much in wealthy wealthy Bahrain. The foreign minister just doesn’t want Iran’s Shia hegemony bullshit. The foreign minister sounds way more enlightened and sensible then you. It is just common sense when you don’t let Jew hatred control you every thought.
    Here is you

    The JCPOA withdrawal chiefly benefited Israel, and it is just possible that it actually was planned there, as a naïve Trump was consistently outmaneuvered and manipulated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Adelson. Once out of the nuclear agreement, the march towards a real, shooting war began and has been deliberately escalated ever since, particularly after Mike Pompeo and John Bolton became major players in the cabinet.

    Here is the Bahrain’s foreign minister.

    Bahrain’s foreign minister gave an unprecedented interview to an Israeli television channel, calling for open communication with the Jewish state.

    Bahrain’s Foreign Minister, Khalid bin Ahmed Al Khalifa, spoke to Israel’s Channel 13 on the sidelines of the Trump administration’s Mideast peace conference in Manama, Bahrain.

    Al Khalifa said that “Israel is part of this heritage of this whole region, historically. So, the Jewish people have a place amongst us.”

    The Bahraini foreign minister also voiced support for Israeli strikes against Iranian targets in neighboring Syria, saying “every country has a right to defend itself.”

    He called Iran a “major threat to the stability and the security of the region,” and said Iran’s support for terror groups has hindered Arab-Israeli peace efforts.

  292. just to be clear —-

    this comment,

    “It’s what its name — never mind,”

    should not be taken as any manner of suggestion about your gender identity. It certainly was not intended in that manner.

  293. @Sean

    Sean thought he saw the Light in a Paul Newman flick, *🙄 and applied the vision thusly: “I suppose the moral as it relates to Iran is twofold
    (1)t those who are not capable of defending themselves should think twice before getting into confrontations
    (2) one is under no obligation to strangers.”

    Phew! Good thing no commenters, assembled here, are under obligation to pay any attention to the unconcealed, incapable, & strange mind of Sean.

    Selah, (💤igh), how to start and sustain unnecessary comments.

    * Uh, apparently Sean meant Paul Newman because I don’t think Alfred E. Neuman made any macho-cowboy flicks.

    • Replies: @Sean
  294. @geokat62

    Hey geo!

    Are you aware The American Hero,🙄 Ben Shapiro, figures Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson can become my “Homeland’s” next president? Refer to video, linked below.

    In the past, the fucker complained that Hillary’s 2016 Supremacist Jew campaign for preZident was shameful because she got a million votes less than did Obama. (Zigh)

  295. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Dear Phillip.
    What do you call an Arab foreign minister who is pro Israeli and anti Iranian? A Zionist?

    No, I’d call him a freier (Yiddish for “sucker”).

    Here’s the script:

    Act I – Destroy the Sunni regimes deemed hostile to the villa in the jungle (Iraq and Libya)

    Act II – Take a Sunni turn by supporting Sunni “terrorist” organizations (al Qaeda, ISIL, IS, etc) to fill the vacuum created by removing Sunni dictators in Act I and have them launch subversive attacks against Shia regimes deemed hostile to the villa in the jungle (Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran)

    Act III – Push KSA (the leader of the Sunni coalition) to launch an all out war against Iran (the leader of the Shia coalition) for the next 100 years

    Upshot – the villa in the jungle expands inexorably as the jungle recedes

  296. @geokat62

    Your Act I, II, and III are inspired & is Masterpiece Political Science, geo.

    The “upshot” is brilliant, and I trust some people assembled here (& ideally beyond) can give the “villa” a good ole Apocalypto-jungle fight.

    👍! Thank you very much, Bro.

    • Agree: Iris
  297. @Fran Taubman

    What do you call an Arab foreign minister who is pro Israeli and anti Iranian? A Zionist?

    Not exactly a zionist. This guy is just almost nothing, as all Bahreini government is.
    In Latin language, there is the exact word for this thing: it is a proconsul. That is a foreigner whose task is to administer a colony. The Bahreini common people are Shia and the rulers are Sunnis. Bahrein is a Shia colony of Saudi Arabia.

    When in 2011, at the time of Arab Spring, Bahreini peoples were pacifically protesting in the streets, the ruler used a weird trick to manage the protest. He simply called the Army of neighboring Arabia, which shot the protesters.
    Because the protests ceased almost instantaneously, the effectiveness of the trick has puzzled many scientific observers, for they could never record the same in Syria.

    In modern language, it is good enough to simply say about the Bahreini ruler : Saudi poodle. He is Zionist only as long as Saudi Arabia King is allied with Israêl.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  298. @Sean

    For sure, the usual stories of how the US came to be are simplified fairy tales. The various Protestant sects were at each other’s throats as well as the Indians’.

    Lots of unnecessary violence from the get go.

  299. @geokat62

    You can skip Acts I and II and go right to III, and do it in two years, just the Mullas will do. the Persains will be cheering in the streets.
    There are no Suni regimes hostile to Israel, they are chomping at the bit to get there countries tourism, trade, and global economy up to speed with Israelis help, they are tired of being desert camel rats, and are waiting for their second act to start, free from Islamic tyranny.
    It is only stupid people like you, who can not see the economic possibilities of a Suni, Israel collaboration like what was happening in Bahrain this week, cause it does not fit your Jews suck and are the causes of all evil in the world paradigm fit for a five year old brain. It must really suck for you when the Arab and the Jews get along.

    This tape should really make the hair in your nose curl. A minyan at a small old Shul in Bahrain. Look at the true natives of Arabia the Jews dancing and singing.

  300. @Parisian Guy

    What do you call the Houtis, Hezbollah, and Hamas, Shia poodles? And who are those Mullahs waiting for the Madi, who wants to wait for that guy on the messianic highway. Pretty scary stuff.

    It is not just Bahrain, it is Jordan, Egypt, the UAE, etc. Not shining countries but it is a start.
    I am sure King Abdullah is the last Hashmite roller of Jordan on its way to becoming the Palestinian state.
    Which it was before the colonial gift of the British to the Hashmites.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  301. Trump does not need war with war Iran, If Iranians jump too high than Trump may send a few cruise missiles,
    If Iranians threaten to close the Hormuz than US military can disperse highly radioactive spent Uranium on all coastal areas of Iran and it make inaccessible for Iranians.
    Not a big deal, US military has a good experience dispersing agent orange.
    ………………………………………………………………………………….
    All what Iranians can win is hole from cake.
    …………………………………………………………………
    Iranian Mullahs better come to negotiating table.

  302. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I could not tell who was the “Homelander,” seated beside him. (Zigh) Any clue, geo?

    Took me a while to triangulate, Chuck, but I think the Homelander you’re looking for is President of the World Bank, David Malpass:

  303. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There are no Suni regimes hostile to Israel…

    To be more accurate, Fran, you should have written:

    There are no Suni regimes left that are hostile to Israel…

    … they are chomping at the bit to get there countries tourism, trade, and global economy up to speed with Israelis help, they are tired of being desert camel rats, and are waiting for their second act to start, free from Islamic tyranny.

    Of course, of course, Fran. They are all eagerly awaiting Kushner’s promised transition from Peace to Prosperity to kick in. LOL

    It is only stupid people like you, who can not see the economic possibilities of a Suni, Israel collaboration…

    Me and those stupid Shiites that constitute the Shia Arc… Hezbollah, Syria, and Iran.

    Look at the true natives of Arabia the Jews dancing and singing.

    True natives of Arabia you say? I thought those evil Muslims shut down all the Synagogues and forced all the congregants out of the country? I’m confused, Fran. Are you saying the official narrative may not be true. Could it be the luggenpresse has been deceiving The Dumb Goyim.

    This tape should really make the hair in your nose curl.

    Oh, my hairs are curling alright, Fran. But their not in my nose.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @RobinG
  304. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Druid

    Adelson probably also claims to be a “survivor “!!! All Zios do!

  305. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    To be more accurate, Fran, you should have written:

    There are no Suni regimes left that are hostile to Israel…

    When you’re hot, you’re hot!, Geo. 😉

  306. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You can skip Acts I and II and go right to III…

    You must have slept through them, Fran. but Acts I and II have already concluded.

    … and do it in two years…

    Is that what they’re telling the Saudis, Fran? Two years? Reminds me of Ken Adelman promising that Iraq would be a “cakewalk.” Remember that, Fran?

    Poor American soldiers are still walking on that cake. Aren’t they, Fran?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  307. @Art

    Art,

    her chance of becoming president in 2020 is ZERO

    I wouldn’t be so sure – she has her appeal. Still I suppose it’s OK to keep the peace narrative going, whoever is doing it and under whatever circumstances, even if just cynical pre-election lies. Nobody gave Trump any chance either and he had less appeal than Tulsi but was also talking world peace big time. No need to upload that old Who song yet again.

  308. Targeting Iran began before 2001 and POTUS chickened out ten minutes before H-hour.

  309. renfro says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I read the The project for new American century years ago.
    What you need to understand is that there is no ‘US Objective” that stays the same thru all the centuries of US government. And the New American Century project was not a ‘government plan’….it was a plan by the cabal that wrote and signed it. The same kind of cabal that wrote the ‘Clean Break”.

    If you want to understand the US’s current FUBAR in the ME ..and where it came from and what it is about then you should have read the below back in 1992….then you would have known everything that was going to happen….and has happened.

    https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/green-peril-creating-islamic-fundamentalist-threat

    The “Green Peril”: Creating the Islamic Fundamentalist Threat

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @L.K
  310. renfro says:
    @Art

    Tulsi Gabbard and Eliz Warren came off best in the debates….not impressed with any of the others.

  311. @War for Blair Mountain

    Don’t forget the mobs of Eastern Europeans.

  312. renfro says:
    @Sean

    Religious Affiliation of the Signers of the
    Declaration of Independence

    Name of Signer State Religious Affiliation

    [MORE]

    Charles Carroll Maryland Catholic
    Samuel Huntington Connecticut Congregationalist
    Roger Sherman Connecticut Congregationalist
    William Williams Connecticut Congregationalist
    Oliver Wolcott Connecticut Congregationalist
    Lyman Hall Georgia Congregationalist
    Samuel Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist
    John Hancock Massachusetts Congregationalist
    Josiah Bartlett New Hampshire Congregationalist
    William Whipple New Hampshire Congregationalist
    William Ellery Rhode Island Congregationalist
    John Adams Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    Robert Treat Paine Massachusetts Congregationalist; Unitarian
    George Walton Georgia Episcopalian
    John Penn North Carolina Episcopalian
    George Ross Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    Thomas Heyward Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
    Thomas Lynch Jr. South Carolina Episcopalian
    Arthur Middleton South Carolina Episcopalian
    Edward Rutledge South Carolina Episcopalian
    Francis Lightfoot Lee Virginia Episcopalian
    Richard Henry Lee Virginia Episcopalian
    George Read Delaware Episcopalian
    Caesar Rodney Delaware Episcopalian
    Samuel Chase Maryland Episcopalian
    William Paca Maryland Episcopalian
    Thomas Stone Maryland Episcopalian
    Elbridge Gerry Massachusetts Episcopalian
    Francis Hopkinson New Jersey Episcopalian
    Francis Lewis New York Episcopalian
    Lewis Morris New York Episcopalian
    William Hooper North Carolina Episcopalian
    Robert Morris Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    John Morton Pennsylvania Episcopalian
    Stephen Hopkins Rhode Island Episcopalian
    Carter Braxton Virginia Episcopalian
    Benjamin Harrison Virginia Episcopalian
    Thomas Nelson Jr. Virginia Episcopalian
    George Wythe Virginia Episcopalian
    Thomas Jefferson Virginia Episcopalian (Deist)
    Benjamin Franklin Pennsylvania Episcopalian (Deist)
    Button Gwinnett Georgia Episcopalian; Congregationalist
    James Wilson Pennsylvania Episcopalian; Presbyterian
    Joseph Hewes North Carolina Quaker, Episcopalian
    George Clymer Pennsylvania Quaker, Episcopalian
    Thomas McKean Delaware Presbyterian
    Matthew Thornton New Hampshire Presbyterian
    Abraham Clark New Jersey Presbyterian
    John Hart New Jersey Presbyterian
    Richard Stockton New Jersey Presbyterian
    John Witherspoon New Jersey Presbyterian
    William Floyd New York Presbyterian
    Philip Livingston New York Presbyterian
    James Smith Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    George Taylor Pennsylvania Presbyterian
    Benjamin Rush Pennsylvania Presbyterian

    Religious Affiliation

    % of
    signers

    Episcopalian/Anglican 32 57.1%
    Congregationalist 13 23.2%
    Presbyterian 12 21.4%
    Quaker 2 3.6%
    Unitarian or Universalist 2 3.6%
    Catholic 1 1.8%
    TOTAL 56 100%

    • Replies: @Sean
  313. @geokat62

    No American soldiers, no war. If there is a strong enough economic alliances against Iran’s continuing hegemony, they will crumble on their own. Despite your Shakespeare Acts. It seems to me there already is a war going on, there is either an understanding and peace, or destruction. All you have are cynical responses. Robin thinks Israel will be gone in 5 years. No tears shed here. That might happen I do not have a crystal ball. I am hoping for the best.

    Could it be the luggenpresse has been deceiving The Dumb Goyim.

    I do not know what Luggenpresse is but I can tell you one thing, there is no rational explanation for anything going on in the world especially the ME, it is only logical to conspiracist who can’t handle the randomness of it all, and need a scape coat to rationalize their fears.

    No one is deceiving anyone, we Jews do not know the why or hows, it cracks me up that you think we are plotting and planning. Perhaps you are unaware with all your sarcasm the fear we Jews have of all the threats made by the Shia bad boys.

    I do not understand all the hatred fighting, I do understand the misappropriation of all things bad to my tribe, the twists and malicious, almost sadistic desire to harm us, while saying it is our fault, because we think we are superior, which I know to be false, and I will fight with all I’ve got.
    The need for a scape goat to calm fears and confusion, is the business of scoundrels, the religious ones, are the worst. Are you a religious Shia Mullah?
    I will look up luggenpresse.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @geokat62
  314. RobinG says:
    @Fran Taubman

    …. the Persains will be cheering in the streets.

    Reminds me of Ken Adelman promising that Iraq would be a “cakewalk.”

    Oh yeah, like they were cheering and throwing bouquets on the streets of Baghdad, lol. Do you really think you can use that line again, Fran?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  315. Miro23 says:
    @Anon

    I’ve known climate change is a bogus fraud ever since I read about it in the NYTimes. Every word in the NYTimes is false, so I knew climate change is false.

    But there’s billions to be made in the non profit fighting climate change sector? No job? No skills? Can you scrape up or borrow $500 for incorporation and tax exempt fees ? Fight climate change and make 100,000k a year as a grant grifter.

    Places like Spain and India used to be tree covered and green but now they are semi-deserts and the world has lost 60% of its animal population since 1970.

    Nature conservation is a Conservative, Traditionalist issue and every citizen can take personal responsibility, on their own land, planting trees/hedges/shrubs and building habitat for wildlife.

    Humanity has wiped out 60% of mammals, birds, fish and reptiles since 1970, leading the world’s foremost experts to warn that the annihilation of wildlife is now an emergency that threatens civilisation.

    The new estimate of the massacre of wildlife is made in a major report produced by WWF and involving 59 scientists from across the globe. It finds that the vast and growing consumption of food and resources by the global population is destroying the web of life, billions of years in the making, upon which human society ultimately depends for clean air, water and everything else.

    “We are sleepwalking towards the edge of a cliff” said Mike Barrett, executive director of science and conservation at WWF. “If there was a 60% decline in the human population, that would be equivalent to emptying North America, South America, Africa, Europe, China and Oceania. That is the scale of what we have done.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/oct/30/humanity-wiped-out-animals-since-1970-major-report-finds

    • Replies: @Mike P
  316. RobinG says:
    @renfro

    Thank you. How prescient –

    George Will even suggested that the 1,000-year battle between Christendom and Islam might be breaking out once more when he asked, “Could it be that 20 years from now we will be saying, not that they’re at the gates of Vienna again, but that, in fact, the birth of Mohammed is at least as important as the birth of Christ, that Islamic vitality could be one of the big stories of the next generations?”

  317. @RobinG

    That sounds pretty feeble I admit, that is not what I meant via Iraq. At the time of the Iraq war, I did not know the difference between a Shia and a Suni and neither to the embarrassment of my country did the government. It was a fiasco and an embarrassment.
    This seems different somehow to me. I know a lot of Persians, and they are not that wild about their government. The people of Iran are not that religious, The majority are not fundamentalist and in love with of the current regime. I do not see the Mullahs surviving in the long run.
    And unlike Iraq I have a dog in this fight, I really hate them, they have brought every classic medieval Catholic European Jew hatred back from the ashes, Muslims never used to think or talk about Jews the way these Mullahs have. Out front, in the open, telling us we are going down. I would suit up for this fight myself.
    What do you except?

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Al Liguori
  318. RobinG says:

    …. I really hate them, they have brought every classic medieval Catholic European Jew hatred back from the ashes …

    You are consumed with hate, caused by the victim ideology that you’ve absorbed. Mistranslation is a tool of indoctrination. Here’s a little Israeli film you should find interesting. Note the children’s trip to Auschwitz. You’ll like the jaunty music and the constant touches of humor. Very Jewish.

    Defamation, by Yoav Shamir

  319. Lot says:
    @Parisian Guy

    US and world price are certainly linked somewhat. But an Saudi-Iran shutdown would send Brent up $30-40 and WTI up like $10-20. There’s just limited capacity for the US to export crude, especially in the very short term. And I am not sure the US gov would even allow much of it. A lot of US export capacity is contractually devoted to import-refine-reexport relations with Latin America. Those could be wound down over time, but not immediately.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  320. Erebus says:

    Here’s why there’s no war, and why it isn’t likely there’ll be one.

    First the Russians upgraded Iran’s AD systems and put their personnel in place to ensure it’s correct operation. The upgrades reportedly include automated “Launch on Detection” systems that will start hitting launch points and other targets before the slower of the American missiles (EG: Tomahawks) even reach Iran.
    Elements of Russian military intelligence, electronic warfare, and command and control advisers for Iran’s air defence systems have been mobilized to support Iran against US and allied attacks.
    John Helmer.

    Then, the tri-partite security conference between the US, Israel, and Russia where some expected Russia to capitulate, turned into Bibi playing host for a Russian “victory lap”, with a marginalized John Bolton looking on from the sidelines. (Ha’aretz)
    Patrushev did not meet with Americans and the Israelis to ‘sell out’ Iran but to warn hands off.
    Andrei Martyanov via Checkpointasia.

    Those two factors, and lesser ones such as talks with Tucker Carlson and Gen. Dunford resulted in Trump’s decision to hold fire.
    Mr. Trump himself Saturday publicly described the conflict within his own team that remained a sore spot for some involved.
    WSJ.

    Whatever the spin regarding the 150 needless casualties, the military realities preclude a strike for the same reason Venezuela died on the vine. The Russians arrived and upped the ante to the point where the odds of avoiding a debacle, never mind a “victory” went south.

    If Trump is for real, now is the time to go to the people. Fire the warmongers, and tell the people you and they have been lied to. If you can’t fire them, tell the people point blank why you can’t and ask for their support. My read is that he’d get it, no matter the media tsunami that would come his way.

    “Comes the moment, comes the man.”
    The moment has come. Will the man? Sadly, methinks it’s not this man and not this time.

  321. If there is a strong enough economic alliances against Iran’s continuing hegemony, they will crumble on their own.

    There was same against Iraq so why didn’t they just let it play out instead of starting a war? No, it’s all to soften up the enemy for an easier kill, that’s all.

    I’m no fan of the current Iranian regime but I don’t want to see another stable country plunged into chaos for the sake of Israel’s security though I appreciate that you may. After all that Israel has done in terms of land theft, genocide, human rights abuses, war crimes, torture, cold blooded murder and maiming, etc. since its inception, and even before during its terroristic formation phase, surely Israel deserves international censure, condemnation, sanctions, and perhaps even military peacekeeping intervention by some neutral force more than any of those Arab and Muslim countries in its vicinity. If you could step out of your self-interested Jewish shoes for a moment and look at it as a neutral dispassionate alien from outer space, wouldn’t you say so? But when you’re locked in there for your very survival now that you Jews have decided to set up shop on that patch of desert I can understand your fanaticism and disregard for anyone and anything, any international laws and conventions of war or peace. Now if everyone were to learn from you and do as you do, you wouldn’t survive for a minute. Look you even support ISIS against Syria and would no doubt support the Devil himself, the Big Satan and any small satans too, against Iran no doubt.

    And that is the aim and goal of all this – to reduce all those Arab and Muslim countries to chaos, instability and permanent strife of endless civil wars as only that can benefit Israel, because any stable Arab or Muslim country in your region, whether an Islamic theocracy, a nationalist dictatorship, or a democracy will always have as its aim the destruction of Israel. As a fellow semite you should know that like Jews they never forget nor forgive. So what better than to keep them occupied with themselves trying to survive another day in strife-ridden dysfunctional failed states. And it helps the US to keep that Eurasian Silk Road project from going fully on-line.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  322. Ace says:
    @Thomm

    I think I’ll just melt down. Oh em gee.

  323. Ace says:
    @Olivier1973

    Define “climate change.”

  324. Parfois1 says:
    @Rurik

    Thank you for the warning. I don’t want to offend the tender feelings of the “cousins” – on the other hand, they are using a borrowed language… The contextual meaning here is “exude”, “display”, not “discharge”.

    I agree, controlling the purse strings through the FED is indeed a major contributor to their dominance; but only if the Treasury is in cohorts with it, unless it is a case of “pigs feeding from the same trough”. Someone (MEFOBILLS) mentioned here the other day FED is now getting over 500 billion interest payment yearly just for printing money!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  325. Mike P says:
    @Miro23

    You really believe all that? Name just 10 of those extinct species – surely you can rattle them off? No? Well, how about the Grauniad then?

    When it gets warmer, it gets wetter, and thus greener. The recent rise in CO2 levels makes it even more green. Look at the Sahel for example – it was dry in the 70s when it was cool, and has been greening since.

    If some places become arid, it must have local causes; it’s got nothing to do with your driving your car.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  326. Mike P says:
    @Erebus

    Your comment is interesting, but it presumes that a shooting war can only be initiated by the U.S. That is not so. The Iranians will not take the imposed starvation lying down, but will at some point escalate by shutting down oil exports from the other Gulf countries. That will require an act of war, and things will simply go downhill from there. Simply keeping the sanctions in place and doing nothing else will lead to war.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @Erebus
  327. Aren’t we already at war against Iran by using terrorist groups such as MEK and economic sanctions ?

  328. Sean says:
    @renfro

    A strong popular dislike of Catholics was suppressed from above by George Washington, because the French Catholics of Quebec could be allies against Britain, America longed to expel Britain from North America entirely and it wa a generation before those hopes were dashed.

    The ill-fated American invasion of Quebec from August 1775 to July 1776 began for two primary reasons. First, after over a century of imperial warfare with Catholic France, many British Protestant colonists along the Atlantic seaboard viewed Quebec as a threat to both the physical and cultural security of their colonies, […] In the lead up to the War of 1812, for example, former President Thomas Jefferson famously expressed his belief in a letter to Pennsylvania Assemblyman William Duane that an American conquest of Canada during the coming conflict would be a “mere matter of marching.”

    The American Revolution was essentially caused by the British five years before having made the mistake of completely removing the French state’s military deterrent to an independant America.

    Israeli strategists want to keep Revolutionary Iran around as a paper tiger threat to Israel, which will keep America protecting them from the very real and powerful threat represented by Palestinian rights. I used to think Israel was planning on expelling the Palestinians in a military initiative, but it is now become obvious that they have no such intention. Professor Walt sums it up well

    People who say “Kushner’s ‘peace plan’ won’t work” are missing the point. It wasn’t supposed to work–if that means facilitating a just & lasting peace. Its purpose was to buy time, kick dust, shift blame, & thereby facilitate permanent Israeli control of W. Bank.

    Iran does not want the Palestinians to get offered anything so good that they might accept it, because an equitable final settlement of the Palestine (AKA the Prophet’s Night Travel Land) problem would end Iran’s ability to pose as champion of the Palestinians, which is Iran’s only protection against being seen by the population of the Middle East as an enemy of the Arabs.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  329. Sean says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    A puny man is more likely to use the gun he carries I think. Iran would be more likely to go nuclear in a war than China or Russia.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  330. @Fran Taubman

    To geokat, the Luggen-Protocols of Zionpresse inspired, Fran Taubman, fussed up, said: “I do not know what Luggenpresse is but I can tell you one thing, there is no rational explanation for anything going on in the world especially the ME,”

    Haha. By default, above, I signal a 👍!

    Look no further for determining what is “Luggenpresse,” Fran, because linked below is NOI, Louis Farrakhan’s rational explanation as to how my “Homelands’” Zionist Corporate Media reports and successfully spins both domestic & overseas News, 24/7- 365, to Israel’s favor.

  331. Miro23 says:
    @Mike P

    This image show recent era changes in India’s western forests, as global population has grown from 1 Billion in 1804 to about 7.5 Billion in 2017. India’s forests had been in place for thousands of years before our modern era of phenomenal human expansion. The deforestation shown here has taken since the Industrial Revolution, circa 1850.


    Animals need habitat (green cover) to survive and reproduce. Check out the effect of industrialization population growth on the natural world in Europe, India and China.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Rurik
  332. @Lot

    Israel is an apartheid kleptocracy, not a democracy. Anyway, what’s the big attraction to democracy? Democracy is simply mob rule, in which elites can claim that 51% of the people are justified in robbing the other 49%.

    Where do you get this “our flag” shit? You’re not an American.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  333. @Art

    “Tulsi Gabbard must emphasize that she is fiscal moderate”

    Then she would be lying. Gabbard is a leftist and there’s no such thing as a “fiscally moderate” leftist. Have you considered the possibility that she has seen how antiwar rhetoric helped get Obama and then Trump a lot of votes and she’s just playing the same game?

    There’s no political solution to the current forever war agenda. No politician is going to save us. Politicians are duplicitous assholes by definition. The United States Congress is made up of 100 senators, 435 representatives, and 6 delegates to the House of Representatives. Why is any one of them given media attention? In my experience, only those Congress members who are viewed as useful to the deep state are given any attention at all, whether positive or negative.

    Gabbard only looks acceptable in comparison to other politicians, at least the politicians given any attention by the media. The majority of Congress members aren’t known to most of the voting public except by their supposed constituents, and I’ve encountered plenty of voters who can’t even name their own senators and representatives.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @ChuckOrloski
  334. @Sean

    Haha. Puny-boy Sean wrote: “A puny man is more likely to use the gun he carries I think.”

    After President JFK was gunned down in Dallas, the “puny” but extraordinarily well-financed criminal state of Israel was allowed to become a global mafia and in possession of a nuclear weapons arsenal. 😈

    For bigger thinking Brothers & Sisters assembled at here at P.G.’s proliferating article comment thread,👍, linked below is Ian Greenhalgh’s succinct article titled, “How Israel’s Desire For Nuclear Weapons Destroyed The USA.”
    WARNING to those PreZident t-Rump supporters who cling to hope: Given Ian Greenhalgh’s profound words, his bonespurs will ache more.

    Thanks, All! Please refer below?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/06/26/how-israels-desire-for-nuclear-weapons-destroyed-the-usa/

    • Replies: @Sean
  335. @Realist

    What are you doing?

    • Replies: @Realist
  336. Rurik says:
    @Sean

    I suppose the moral as it relates to Iran is twofold

    It has nothing to do with Iran.

    It has to do with people’s complicated histories and narratives and outlooks and point of views.

    And how too often we assume things about each other. That’s all.

  337. Mike P says:
    @Miro23

    I took your comment as supporting the latter position, since you responded to one that derided that sort of “climate change” as a fraud; but maybe I misunderstood you. I agree on deforestation, pollution of rivers and atmosphere etc.; this is real and unfortunate. However, “climate change” as currently understood – namely, any and all environmental changes being blamed on man-made CO2 – is balderdash.

  338. @Commentator Mike

    That was in response to Fran’s comment #316.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  339. Rurik says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Have you considered the possibility that she has seen how antiwar rhetoric helped get Obama and then Trump a lot of votes and she’s just playing the same game?

    There’s no political solution to the current forever war agenda. No politician is going to save us. Politicians are duplicitous assholes by definition.

    yes, she has unsavory associations, and is probably just another lying POS.

    But, at some point, it isn’t even about the lying scum politicians, it’s about us.

    And even in our cynicism, we need to demonstrate to ourselves and to the world, that we Americans are not for these evil wars.

    By supporting Tulsi, and elevating her anti-war agenda, it will put pressure on Trump to mollify his aggressive policies. And toss his ass out, if he starts a hot war with Iran.

    The entire ((deepstate)) and ((media)) and congress are all pro-war, and in congress’s case, because they’re quite simply whores, and will lick the shekels from any ((orifice)), no matter how treasonous or feculent, because licking shekels is what whores do, and politicians are whores (the bad kind) by definition.

    So my support for Tulsi isn’t out of some Pollyanna naiveté, but rather a cynical use of her rhetoric, no matter how insincere it may be, to urge the scumfucks in congress to realize that while the zio-scum (lots of ‘scum’ in this post ; ), have all the money and media, we American voters still have our vote, (sort of), and collective voice, and we should use it – to thunderously smash down upon the Satanic war pigs as an army of righteous rage that shakes the very ground. I saw how they cheated Ron Paul, and used the corrupt machine to lock him out. But he ran as a Republican, and was not camera friendly, whereas Tulsi has the looks and charm and non-White credentials so imperative to the Democrats. If we on the right, also support her, it could send dagger-like stabs of existential angst shooting down Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban’s crooked spines.

    I’d like to see support for Tulsi explode like a burgeoning juggernaut of anti-war fury. An irresistible force of nature that even the Zio-scumfucks can’t put down. Tulsi will be our avatar and symbol, and ride the popular wave of American decency and grassroots anti-war sentiment all the way to the White House!, if that’s what it takes.

    At this point ending the wars takes precedent. If you’re worried about open borders, what has Trump and the Repulicucks done for you, eh? Less than nothing, that’s what. All they do is toss some trite rhetoric your way, and then make treasonous back-room deal$ with the devil. Are you a member of the 1% who Republicucks give relentless tax breaks and subsidies to? Then I understand your eternal support, but if not, then fuck them. They are betraying middle, Heritage America. At least the Democrats openly hate us, whereas the Rebublicucks pretend not to, but then betray us at every step.

    Please go here and vote for Tulsi.

    https://drudgereport.com/

    Make them fear us, as like never before.

    The only thing they don’t control in near absolute terms is our hearts and minds. And collectively, we can combine our numbers into an tsunami of unstoppable rage against (((their))) God damn wars!

  340. @Twodees Partain

    With common sense, Twodees Partain politely asked Art: “Have you considered the possibility that she has seen how antiwar rhetoric helped get Obama and then Trump a lot of votes and she’s just playing the same game?”

    Hey Twodees!

    Cannot predict what my Bro Art thinks, but I agree that the leftist & articulate (plus CFR-approved advocate), Tulsi Gabbard,🧜knows how to play the Jewish Supremacist’s ZUS preZidential election/selection game.

    Again, V.I. Lenin, “The wind blows from the Left,” and how convenient!, 🙄 my “Homeland” wind is blowing in concert with Israel’s Labour Party wind, with (argh) ex-P.M. Ehud Barak at the controls of international Leftist Supremacist Jew’s Wind Farm.

    My respect & thanks, Twodees! (Zigh)

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  341. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    Thank you Miro for that map.

    All the screeching about ‘Climate Change’, (according to their ‘science’, caused by the exact same greenhouse gases that forests eat for food, and exhale oxygen as their ‘waste’), and no one seems to make the connection.

    If these dupes had a shred of honestly, they’d all be demanding protection for the world’s rain forests and fauna, all in imminent threat of annihilation under the teeming billions upon billions of more and more bipedal consumer units/tax slaves/cannon fodder/starving amusements for the 1%.

    Infinite greed and hate. The greed coming from the right, and Chamber of Commerce types, Koch Bros, et al, and the hate coming from the leftists who demand Europe and N. America open their borders to teeming throngs of ultra-prolific Third Worlders, not out of any compassion, but out of their netherworld, eternal, infinite envy and hatred for the white denizens of the dying Western world.

    Check out the Sierra Club’s 180 degree reversal of its warnings about what mass-immigration was going to do to America’s ecology and wildlife.

    We are blindly breeding the ecosystem of the planet into a sprawl of human consumer units, without the slightest concern for the next generations. It is a momentous sin, and a blight upon us all.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  342. Correction- MEK was considered as a cult and terrorist group until 2012 , it’s opposition to the Iranian government and substantial donations to the political class attracted the likes of Bolton, Giuliani , Pompeo and influential neocons so it was de-listed . Further proof that we live in a Kakistocracy , a government run by the worst , least qualified and most unscupulous citizens .

  343. L.K says:
    @renfro

    Rozumova is just an anti-Iran troll, Renfro, there is plenty of evidence for its hostility towards Iran and Muslims and not only under this article… take a look at its comments under Escobar, for instance…
    Perhaps it would be better to ask it about the weather in Tel Aviv…

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  344. RobinG says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Comment #321 is for you, Fran.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  345. Sean says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Lee Harvey Oswald was as puny as Audie Murphy. The Israeli nuclear weapon was for diplomatic use against America, by way of threatening to use it if America did not guarantee Israel’s safety.

    • Troll: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  346. @Fran Taubman

    Since your answer belongs to whataboutism, the real-life fact is that you preferred to leave the battlefield about the matter of your initial assertion.

    Thus, you did nothing but pretending to answer my post.
    Now, I want you to seriously consider it, and behave honestly:

    – Do you recognize that your initial post was wrong and deceiving?
    – Or do you not recognize this conclusion?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  347. @Erebus

    “The moment has come. Will the man? Sadly, methinks it’s not this man and not this time.”

    Recent events have led me to reconsider my view of the evil orange clown, and I have to admit that I believe I was wrong in the sense that I was actually giving orange clown too much credit. Orange clown is apparently far more stupid, ignorant and “mentally ill” than I realized.

    When the “super trump” video was uploaded to youtube a few weeks ago, I wondered: why would the jews do that? Of course, with the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem, the “giving” of Syrian land to Israel and the outrageous and increasingly dangerous anti-Iran machinations, it was already clear that orange clown must be very, very special to the elders, but the “super trump” video seemed “over the top.”

    I’ve now come to believe that they’re “buttering him up.” I think orange clown wakes up every morning, stares lovingly at the dashing figure he sees in the mirror, and “thinks”: “I’m one of ‘them’ (jews); I’m rich and I’m powerful, and I’m attractive and smart and desirable to women and I’m just the greatest thing that ever happened to jews and israel…”

    Most likely the elders are laughing at him behind his back as they calculatingly manipulate him into a situation where they’re gambling that he’ll kill millions in accordance with their satanic agenda rather than be publicly humiliated.

    The Iranians recently called him “mentally retarded” but that’s only part of the problem. At the least, he’s a “mentally retarded” psychotic psychopath.

    And the jews – who are experts at the exploitation of human flaws – must have recognized these “desirable” traits in him a long time ago, and have likely been grooming him for many years for his present role as presidential poseur of last resort.

    So just like a corrupt used car dealer can appeal to his customer’s vanity, e.g., “I can see that you’re a smart man who knows a lot about cars” and manipulate the customer into buying a piece of junk for a high price, the elders have apparently appealed to orange clown’s pathological narcissism to manipulate him into taking action that will have catastrophic consequences.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  348. Rurik says:

    the more ((they)) obviously despise her, and are trying to (obviously) ‘Ron Paul’ her, the more we should support her.

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-winners-and-losers-from-the-democratic-presidential-debates-first-night/ar-AADu0yk?ocid=ientp

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  349. @Lot

    Yesterday Goldman sachs predicted 250$/barrel if Ormuz closes.

    Anyway, my advice is you shoud look accurately where the practical US oil export bottleneck is.

    -If it is some kind of barrier to the outflow (for instance, lack of tankers), then your conclusion is right.
    -If the barrier is actually that there is not so many barrels produced and available for export (that is: the bottleneck is in the first steps of the oil business process), then a relatively small number of alien buying will make the pricetag jumping to heavens.
    In that case the choices will only be about export prohibition.

  350. @L.K

    In my opinion you are ignorant. In all battles through history The side that incurred great losses eventually soldiers of that side surrendered. Logical conclusion from it is do not choose to fight a war if there no possibility of victory. I am encouraging Iran not to fight because I am on Iranian side.
    You encouraging Iran to fight because you want destruction of Iran.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  351. Rurik says:
    @Parfois1

    they are using a borrowed language…

    cultural appropriation?

    the FED is indeed a major contributor to their dominance; but only if the Treasury is in cohorts with it,

    From Robert Rubin to Larry Summers, the rats scurrying around the US Treasury, the Fed, and Goldman Sachs, is like a revolving door.

    FED is now getting over 500 billion interest payment yearly just for printing money!

    but they return everything extra to the Treasury at the end of the year!

    they would never, EVER try to steal even one penny that wasn’t earned!

  352. @Erebus

    Your comment is interesting, but it presumes that the Trump’s say is meaningful enough to be a part of the equation. That is not so.

  353. @Commentator Mike

    That was in response to Fran’s comment #316.

    There was no need for this precision.
    “Iran’s continuing hegemony, ” was by itself a signature included in the Fran’s comment. ;=)

  354. @Rurik

    Although ZUS preZidential elections are actually selections, Rurik rallies for Democrat Tulsi Gabbard’s campaign, and advised: “the more ((they)) obviously despise her, and are trying to (obviously) ‘Ron Paul’ her, the more we should support her.”

    You better watch out, Bro. Democrat Tulsi might be just another Shabbos Hula goy who’s strategically lining up with the wave of Israel’s Supremacist Jew left. Haha. The wave targets t-Rump and Netanyahu.

    (Zigh) “They” don’t “despise her.” Haha. Doubtless, the attractive Tulsi can play a 🌟 role in our “Homeland’s” Zionist-controlled election theater.

    Do as you please, Rurik, 👍, have fun, but “they” really don’t give a fuck about “we”/us. So consider Haaretz’s take on candidate Gabbard, below. Thanks, & my respect.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-tulsi-gabbard-the-pro-assad-iraq-war-vet-critical-of-israel-loved-by-adelson-evangelicals-1.6831029

    Selah, a rigged post-debate nudge & Tulsi’s roll from a Drudge poll.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Jon Baptist
  355. @Rurik

    You are offending whores. Compared to politicians, whores are paragons of virtue.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  356. Realist says:
    @Twodees Partain

    What are you doing?

    Not whining.

  357. @Rurik

    You phrased that very well and convincingly. I hope it goes that way even though I hate disappointments in politicians, but at least it shows what the people want.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  358. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    but “they” really don’t give a fuck about “we”/us.

    I know Brother Chuck, all too well.

    And I’m also aware that she’s a lefty, and that means ‘fuck over whitey’ by all means possible.

    Yes, I get that too.

    But even as she’s likely a ruse, I don’t care. Anyone who even says ‘End the wars, has got my support, so long as no one else is saying it louder.

    I’m turning into a single issue guy. I know the PTB want to genocide my type from the planet, and are feverishly working towards that end. So be it. Hopefully there’ll be pockets in the world what will see the Jewish supremacist fiend has wrought, and bolster defenses against it. Poland and Russia and other places will have to suffice for any future of the West.

    The consolation will be when the vibrants finally breach the walls of liberal/progressive whiteyland, cowering behind their gated communities in Malibu, and give them a taste of what they want for fly over country only.

    When I read that Bolder, CO has sharia law, I’ll grin from Uruguay.

    But in the mean time, I intend to support the anti-war voices, most particularly the ones that find popular support, and therefor scare the shit out of the supremacist scum and their MIC fellow travelers.

  359. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Ah, but you missed this part of my post:

    “and politicians are whores (the bad kind) by definition.”

    which means that by default, the other kind are the good kind. 😉

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  360. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Hey, but what if you have no choice in the matter and the bully’s just coming to get you even though you’re weaker and don’t want to fight?

    Iraq did not want to fight USA and its Coalition of the Willing and did not attack nor make any aggressive moves and what happened?

    Libya did not want to fight NATO and made no aggressive moves or attacks on NATO and what happened?

    Serbia/ex-Yugoslavia did not want to fight NATO and made no aggressive moves or attacks on NATO and what happened?

    Now you think it will be different for Iran and any of us encouraging Iran to fight, nay hit first and hit hard I say, are somehow seeking its destruction? All those others who refused this course of action were still destroyed and had tonnes of depleted uranium thrown at them. Well, maybe, just maybe, doing the opposite of what they all did may have different consequences. But if not, so what?

    And BTW, do you think as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states grow and prosper and get stronger, that there will not come a time when the US and Israel will turn their attention to them and start making trouble there too, even though they are now USA’s allies and would be in a war against Shiites and Iran? Iraq too was supported by the West against Iran and what happened to it? So if Iran helps plunge Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states into chaos now, it would probably be doing what later on US and Israel will be doing anyway. Better get this phase of the Middle Eastern chaos creation over sooner and quicker and then see what emerges later on out of it. It’s one of those damned if you do damned if you don’t situations so just do it. And you never know, perhaps Israel, the cause of all this strife, could be plunged into chaos too, with some well thought out and most intensive actions. Enough of this waiting around for same same.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  361. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    I hate disappointments in politicians, but at least it shows what the people want.

    Exactly

    It shows that Americans are not down for Eternal Wars for Israel.

    “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.”

    ~ JFK

    The only war that makes any sense at this point, is a war of the entire collective world’s people, vs. the neocon fiend slithering in the crevices of Washington, DC, London and Paris. Taking their marching orders straight from Tel Aviv.

    But fighting that is like fighting a gaseous cloud of organophosphorus nerve agent. You can’t put your hands around its throat. All you can do is vote for the anti-war candidate.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  362. @Rurik

    You are right, I missed that. Regular whores are much better kind than politicians.

  363. @Sean

    Some sharpshot, that Lee Harvey, bending bullet trajectories 180 degrees as he did.

    • Replies: @Sean
  364. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran says: “I do not understand all the hatred fighting”
    Then Fran says: “I really hate them, …. I would suit up for this fight myself.”

    What a (((psycho)))!

    The children of the Father of Lies and Murder (John 8:44) will say anything at any time if they think the lie will benefit them—even if they contradict the very lies that fell from their mouths only moments before.

    The Torah she b’peh (“Oral Torah”) encourages lying.

    Cue Fran insisting she never heard any Jew teach such a thing.… and she has many folios missing from her Talmud.

  365. @Rurik

    Rurik said: “All you can do is vote for the anti-war candidate.”

    If Tulsi Gabbard is truly anti-war,🤔 & according to Frank Luntz, she could become a prime candidate to become the traditionally offense-inclined Secretary of Defense to which our “Homeland” is conditioned by Israel.

    Refer to Luntz Grunts, below. (Zigh)

    “She’s a long-shot to win the presidency, but Tulsi Gabbard is sounding like a prime candidate for Secretary of Defense.” — Frank Luntz

    • Replies: @Rurik
  366. @ChuckOrloski

    another Shabbos Hula goy

    Chuck, that one had me laughing for about 10 minutes. There is a term for that type of solid humor. It’s called a Chuckle! Have a great weekend and stay strong!

  367. Johan says:

    The US government constitutes the front of a criminal organization, operating world wide. Any arguments of what has been done by politicians to improve this or that are about masquerades, throwing breadcrumbs, keep the worker slave (all are worker slaves these days) from becoming too dissatisfied, strategic pandering to keep this or that group satisfied, etc.
    The US is the world’s foremost criminal state, a human pigsty, a disgrace to humanity, or rather an embarrassing enlarging mirror and grand comedy of human malice, stupidity, greed, ignorance, baseness, superstition, etc. Ironically, the US became the exact opposite of the image it still fanatically tries to spread.
    Analysis of US politics consists thus of nothing but digging in the pure dirt, or analysis of a tumour, where no pearls or hardly any non diseased cells are to be found. As long as one keeps pretending that his thoroughly apple in the basket of nations can be fixed, by fixing the government, by different politicians, the problem remains.

    • Replies: @Johan
  368. Johan says:
    @Johan

    Add to the above ‘thoroughly rotten apple’.

  369. @Commentator Mike

    With all due respect I do have to disagree.
    Ship of US hegemony is sinking. First hole in US ship was done by Russia. Russians are smart.
    They always did pay first attention to their military. Their best of the best of their engineers, technicians and scientist were working and are working in weapons development. Russians have developed an edge over US. So that for large extent is limiting US hegemony. The second hole in ship of US hegemony (much larger) is caused by industrial development of China. Not only by trade deficit
    but also by pushing out participation of US in world markets. It will be only question of time when relevancy of indispensability of US will become of little relevancy.
    Iran is very powerful country and US is very well aware of it. Iran can cause considerable damage To US in lives and material, and by that speed up the sinking of ship of US hegemony.
    But in the process Iran wold be destroyed. Iran does not need to be a sacrificial lamb.
    In my opinion Muslims did suffer enough from actions of US hegemon. They do not need to suffer some more.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    The cases you have mentioned were safe bet for US. with practically no risk and no consequences.
    Iran is different bowl of wax. Attacking Iran does carry considerable risks for US of many kinds.
    So US will not attack Iran only if US would be forced by actions of Iran that could be inscribed as provocations.

  370. @Realist

    What are you doing?

    Not whining.

    Dumb cop out. Tsk tsk.

  371. kemerd says:
    @AnonFromTN

    I don’t believe what they intend to do is stupid, but the execution is. I believe there is already an understanding among US elites that their top dog status is in danger since at least 1980s when Japan showed that other nations can surpass US in technology.

    Current US economy is almost exclusively based on rent extraction, i.e. patents, copyrights, branded consumer tools, and patented software. This is not sustainable anymore and they are trying forcibly to stop or at least slow down the rate of degradation of US lead.

    It looks like they are doing a terrible job and an attack on Iran would probably end free imported goods that the US has been enjoying since at least late 80s.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  372. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Ilyana Rozumova,

    USA has been plotting military aggression against Iran since the Iranian Revolution, what with Carter’s failed rescue mission through Saddam Hussein’s war on Iran to now this. Now even if Russia were to set up some bases in Iran and man some of the Anti-Aircraft Missiles, I don’t see why that should deter America, they could just bomb other targets like Israel does regularly in Syria. Even if a bigger war does break out there with US and Russia on opposite sides there’d still be enough proxies involved for each to target without actually confronting each other directly, and any accidental casualties of their own they can easily overlook as Russia has done with the loss of life due to Israeli and Turkish military actions in Syria. This is all quite feasible. And maybe it could be considered even desirable by some of their planners, to whom it’s all just a very costly, and a very profitable game to play with their high precision weapons that they need to field test in real situations. If you haven’t noticed they’ve been rehearsing this kind of conflict in Syria since the Russians intervened. Of course the world would be in a panic that this could lead to a major war between the superpowers and a nuclear exchange, keeping us all on the edge of our seats, but I don’t think it would go that far. We’ll just have to wait and see.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  373. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    As the world watches & knows, including leaders, Putin, Xi, Netanyahu, & t-Rump, Ilyana_ Rozumova opined: “Ship of US hegemony is sinking.”

    Hey Ilyana!

    Haha. How to sink a hegemony-bound ship and profit? Haha, the cunning fuckers. (Zigh)

    US “sinking” will be hell for the great majority of “Homelanders” but the elite & predator Jewish Supremacist rats already have an escape avenue & a cushy sanctuary plan that’s ready to implement.😟

    The question is begged & becomes:
    Which Shabbos goy POT(Z)US will be the last one to close the White House door, and watches while the Supremacist Jew Moneychangers & wrecking crew pivots East.

  374. Sean says:
    @AnonStarter

    In ballistics as in heart rate (and many other things), metastability is a harbinger of drastic perturbations.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Mike P
  375. @Sean

    Haha. Sean linked a carcano bullet video experiment,🙄 and said: “In ballistics as in heart rate (and many other things), metastability is a harbinger of drastic perturbations.”

    (Zigh) Good thing commenters don’t have to pass drug & alcohol tests in order to participate here, Sean. Haha.

    To AnonStarter: Linked below & fyr, is an informative “Family Guy” video which mestablilites at room temp & is a harbinger of ballistic perturbations into Sean who looks for a brain, in vain.

    • Replies: @Sean
  376. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Tulsi Gabbard – Secretary of Defense

    I’m all in. I’ll call Donald now.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  377. @kemerd

    As Brits say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The intentions might be rational, but the actions are not. The US actively ruins rules, structures, and institutions that allow it to be the top parasite of the world. The only thing US enemies need to do is stock up on popcorn, maybe just occasionally goad degenerate US elites into actions speeding up its demise. That’s what Putin and Xi appear to be doing.

  378. @Rurik

    Haha! Good one, Rurik. Maybe RobinG will call him too?

    Btw, last night during the debate, did you hear how Tulsi said that al-Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, and not the Taliban? Figure t-Rump and her are together on this particular matter.

    (Zigh)

    • Replies: @Rurik
  379. Mike P says:
    @Sean

    In ballistics as in heart rate (and many other things), metastability is a harbinger of drastic perturbations.

    Does that mean Kennedy died of cardiac arrhythmia?

    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
  380. Sean says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    6.16 in the vid is the relevant part, if you have trouble with understanding its relevance sorry, but ’twas not I who brought up Oswald.

  381. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Check it out Brother Chuck

    https://www.wnd.com/2019/06/memo-to-trump-trade-bolton-for-tulsi/

    sorry it’s on WND, (one of the most obnoxious sites on the net, but still)

    as for 9/11, you simply can’t be a ‘denier’ of the narrative at this point, at least not yet. Not even Ron Paul dares to ‘go there’.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  382. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Dear Phillip.
    What do you call an Arab foreign minister who is pro Israeli and anti Iranian? A Zionist? ‘

    I’d say you’d call him a reminder that Jews don’t have a monopoly on being swine.

    Anyway, of course Arabs (from Saudi Arabia et al) find Iran a menace. All those states have large, oppressed, restive Shi’a minorities — and Iran’s a Shi’a state. She’s a threat just by virtue of her very existence.

    I don’t see why we should help them out with their problem — but at least it’s a real problem. Iran is a threat to their happy little Sunni supremacies. Really.

    It’s not like Israel — which has simply fastened on Iran as the most reasonable candidate for that enemy she always has to have. Or us, who are in this simply because we’re Israel’s golem.

  383. RobinG says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Who knows why you were censored, but I’ve read your response to me. Unfortunately, your quote [not cited, so author unknown] does not even support your assertion about Iran’s religious leaders. FYI, the political entity known as Israel is not equivalent to [Jews], i.e. “a religious or ethnic group.”

    Iran isn’t alone in foreseeing the demise of Apartheid Israel. As you know, some Orthodox Jews call for the “peaceful dismantlement of the state of Israel.” And you hate them, too, I’m sure. I’ve seen them cursed and spat upon by the participants at AIPAC.

    Perhaps you also hate the Israeli filmmaker Yoav Shamir. Self-hating Jew, you say. But where’s the angst? He seems refreshingly well adjusted, and very talented. Of course, the ADL won’t be letting him into any more private meetings, lol.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  384. Sean says:
    @Mike P

    Someone put a comment about Oswald’s bullet trajectory altering mid flight, so I posted a video showing how the bullets he used were very stable going through solids but yawed in air.

    But to answer your question, no. However, given the mission of replace JFK with LBJ, and knowing that JFK was in serious pain much of the time, talking all sorts of medication and demanding high dose meth injections, a hot shot inducing a heart attack would have been my method of choice to kill him. It could hardly have been worse than shooting him dead in LBJ’s own state capital.

  385. @RobinG

    I do not know how you saw it and I can’t, but sometimes my comments just stop being posted. No idea.
    My point Robin and you deflect, there is a ton of information out there that Iran is out for the Jews and Israel, like no other state in the region. Nothing to do with zionism, but based o a messianic religious ideology, if you cannot see my point, or fear or hatred I do not know what to say.
    It is as plain as day. You can route for them if you would like, and it sounds like you are but I am entitled to my feelings of hate and desire to strike them back.
    All I am saying is war is war, and there is one between the Jews and Iran. Just a fact. I hope the US never gets involved.
    There is an interesting thread on Gilad’s site between Aaron and another guy about the ability for people to be thought of as a nation excluding race but containing some gene info. The point being what is an Englishman or a Scotsman, or an Irishman or French that they feel so threatened by globalization, these people have customs and tradition that are important to their well being and way of life. Why are we Jews not allowed to identify as a religion or a nation that has a distinct identity and location away from Europe that identified until recently as being Christian and or Catholic which left the Jews wide open for troubles as Christ killers. This is years before WW2.

    That is the real meaning behind Zionism, to get the fuck out of Christian Europe and wipe those pogroms and Aristocratic whimsy out of our hair. It was impossible we are capitalist, we are communist, we are too conspiratorial, we are to powerful. If you could define Zionism in a sentence it was that they did not want to be Christian, completely secular, not interested in religion or Jewish unless you ask them to become Christian, an anathema.

    The post also points out how this all took place after the enlightenment where people no longer were allowed to identify as a nation based on race or whatever you want to call it, that things got messed up.
    My point being there is a lot, a lot to deal with besides the garden variety Jew hatred, that land is our home, we are not packing up at least without a fight.
    I just don’t get what you don’t get about Iran and the Jews.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @renfro
  386. @TJ

    That “better than Hillary” thing is past its sell by date. That’s like arguing over which turd is a nicer shade of brown. Trump isn’t being opposed by the neocons he chose to surround himself with, they are on his team.

    You’re right about the “gravitational pull of the past”, as far as that goes. Still, it’s obvious to me that Trump was just saying what he thought people wanted to hear in order to get elected. I can’t see him having any desire to do more than to serve his masters in order to keep his loans from being called.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  387. @Parfois1

    @MEFOBILLS
    Superb summary of what it is all about.

    Very astute observation. MEFOBILLS comments on this site are unparalleled anywhere for finance/ macroeconomics insight and the vastness of usury as the Jew tool foundation of their dominance.

  388. @Rurik

    I’m not one of the 1% who benefit from the phony “tax cuts” and I don’t support Trump, or any other politician. I’ve been eligible to vote for 50 years, and I’ve seen how they play. That’s why I stopped voting about 20 years ago. Gabbard is the latest antiwar “hope”. She isn’t going to do shit, especially if she gets to be president.

    You’ll wake up or you won’t. It really doesn’t matter one way or the other.

    • Replies: @Paul C.
    , @Harold Smith
  389. @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck, maybe a few more decades of witnessing the deceit of politicians might help the younger guys wake up. My suggestion to all of them is to observe one simple standard: if it’s on TV, it’s a fucking lie. If it’s by or about a politician and it’s on TV, then it’s a big fucking lie.

    Good observation by you, and laced with humor as well. Thanks for the comment.

  390. @MEFOBILLS

    A clinic on what the Jews are doing to our homeland USA:

    Immigration is on purpose to then force change. Reasons our elites want immigrants are manifold:

    1) It lowers the prices of wages. Chambers of Commerce are always for more immigration. 2) It creates new voters, especially for identity politics democrats. 3) It deracinates a population, so they lose their “race” and hence their ties to to their ancestors. A deracinated population is easy for plutocracy to maneuver. 4) It creates social friction. Social scientists have long known that disparate peoples do not get along. See Putnam’s book, bowling alone if you doubt this. If populations are at each others throats they are not looking up at their ruling Oligarchy. 5) It creates a new class of debtors. The immigrants are debt free, and new debts are waiting. New debts pay old debts, and keeps the debt system operating. Our ruling overlords are mostly in finance. 6) If you ruling overlords are Jewish or some other hostile elite, then they don’t give a damn about the historical american people, and it begins to make sense when you read the many reasons they do this.

    “Chambers of Commerce”= shabby goy corporatists
    Democrats = shabby goy leftists/”liberals”

  391. @Harold Smith

    “The Iranians recently called him “mentally retarded” but that’s only part of the problem. At the least, he’s a “mentally retarded” psychotic psychopath.”

    To that I would also add that he is morally retarded. That’s a requirement for being crowned US emperor.

  392. @Realist

    “Not whining.”

    Yeah, that’ll show ’em.

  393. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I do not know what Luggenpresse is but I can tell you one thing, there is no rational explanation for anything going on in the world especially the ME, it is only logical to conspiracist who can’t handle the randomness of it all, and need a scape coat to rationalize their fears.

    No rational explanation? Sorry, Fran. The Lobby’s eternal goal of stamping out antisemitism is the driving force behind the fall of the West. Just ask Rabbi David Bar-Hayim:

    Or better yet just look at the note Mark Potok of the SPLC has stuck to his wall:

    No, Fran. This is not a conspiracy. The evidence is overwhelming that in an effort to stamp out AS, The Lobby is bent on stamping out Edom!

    No one is deceiving anyone, we Jews do not know the why or hows, it cracks me up that you think we are plotting and planning. Perhaps you are unaware with all your sarcasm the fear we Jews have of all the threats made by the Shia bad boys.

    The fear you have? How do you think the goys in the West feel when they see their countries slated for annihilation by NGOs like Soros’ Open Society Foundations in Europe or HIAS in America?

    Are you a religious Shia Mullah?

    Are you a Jewish supremacist?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  394. @Rurik

    Hey Rurik!

    Would be cool for the t-Rump administration to get Mad Afghan Hound Gabbard aboard as Secretary of Defense.

    Haha. Donald will be tempted to pincer.

  395. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    That is the real meaning behind Zionism…

    …is to put Jewish supremacism into genocidal action.

    There is nothing benign about Judaism or Zionism or Noahidism or Judeo-Communism or (((predatory monopolistic capitalism))). No matter what the camouflage, it is all about enslaving, looting, deceiving, and killing Gentiles—period.

    …that land is our home,

    Rubbish. A gang of Brooklyn and European Jews have no valid deed in the Holy Land… even the Torah says so:

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
    • Replies: @Paul C.
  396. @Commentator Mike

    The United States is plotting a military aggression against Iran since the Iranian revolution,

    The will to destroy Iran started before the Revolution.

    US claimed to discover suddenly that the Shah was a human rights abuser and stopped supporting him. This made the revolution possible.

    My analysis: The Shah was developing a modern, industrialized and powerful Iran. The calculation of the CIA was that Khomeini would send Iran back to the Middle Ages.
    It probably disappeared, but there was a video of the Shah in exile. He was saying his fall had been planned by Israel …
    Remember that the release of the embassy hostages has been the subject of peaceful talks between the Iranians and the Reagan&Bush candidates. I think that the truly aggressive action against the Iranian Revolution only began when it became clear that the original plot failed since religious conservatives were not destroying Iran.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  397. theherk says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    The same was said about WWII, no one imagined it happening except for those who started it. Imagine their amusement.

  398. @Mike P

    Does that mean Kennedy died of cardiac arrhythmia?

    How wrong! Pfff!

    Scientific autopsy diagnosed hyperacute lead poisoning

  399. @Twodees Partain

    Twodees Partain said: “That “better than Hillary” thing is past its sell by date. That’s like arguing over which turd is a nicer shade of brown.”

    Haha. Above, Twodees earned a huckleberry Twain added to his name.

    Haha. So male & female Shabbos goy preZidents come in shades of turds, eh? And here I didn’t think GOP vs. Democrat shit didn’t smell any better than the other.

    Thanks, Twodees, 👍! 2020 — There are Choice Turd cuts. Yippee.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  400. @Mike P

    Does that mean Kennedy died of cardiac arrhythmia?

    No.

    He died of a drastic perturbation.

  401. This is only somewhat on topic, but many here may be interested for several reasons.:

    Justin Raimondo, RIP (1951-2019)

    Justin co-founded Antiwar.com with Eric Garris in 1995

    Because [dashing out of his first-grade class with his teacher chasing him] was a daily occurrence … he was sent to a prominent New York psychiatrist named Dr. Robert Soblen… Justin got his hands on Soblen’s notes on his case and learned that Soblen had concluded that Justin was schizophrenic. Soblen’s reason? Justin was Catholic, claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary, and believed in miracles. Soblen recommended locking up young Justin in a state mental institution. The one Soblen had in mind was Rockland State Hospital, which, according to Justin, was the backdrop for the movie The Snake Pit.

    Soblen was not just a psychiatrist. He was also a top Soviet spy and friend of Stalin who was tasked with infiltrating the American Trotskyist movement. He was ultimately convicted of espionage and sentenced to life imprisonment in 1961. Ultimately, in 1962, Soblen committed suicide after jumping bail, fleeing to Israel, and seeking asylum in the UK.

    https://original.antiwar.com/Antiwar_Staff/2019/06/27/justin-raimondo-rip-1951-2019/

  402. Nehlen says:
    @Rurik

    “The only way out of this, is through the Fed.”

    You’re not thinking in the right caliber.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  403. Paul C. says:
    @Al Liguori

    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing the Bible passages.

  404. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Why are we Jews not allowed to identify as a religion or a nation that has a distinct identity and location away from Europe that identified until recently as being Christian and …

    You can identify as anything you please as long as you stay out of others nations national business.

    The ‘Jewish Problem’ has always been the contradictory stance of the Jews — claiming an absolute right to protect and preserve their particular national identity while also claiming the right to participate fully and impose their own tribal interest and interfere in the lives of other nations.

    Jews do need to ‘dwell alone’…away from and with no relations of any kind with non Jews.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  405. Sparkon says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Remember that the release of the embassy hostages has been the subject of peaceful talks between the Iranians and the Reagan&Bush candidates.

    You’ve overlooked the fact that the Logan Act specifically prohibits those kinds of contacts.

    Candidates Bush and Reagan were private citizens with no authority to negotiate any dispute with any foreign government. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony for most people. Of course, Reagan and Bush were not most people, but rather were “untouchables.”

    § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  406. Erebus says:
    @Mike P

    The Iranians will not take the imposed starvation lying down, but will at some point escalate by shutting down oil exports from the other Gulf countries. That will require an act of war…

    I hear your point, but the next step isn’t necessarily to start sinking ships in Hormuz.

    Basically, it seems it’s turned into a game of chicken. The 3 linked points I made were that a simple attack by the US is not in the cards, and Iran has forced the US to go to the next level. What that next level, and the levels following look like depends much on the extent to which China and Russia back her. Is Iran a red line for them? I don’t know, but there’s lots of ways this can play out through the levels.

    EG…
    China owns lots of tankers, and there’s no reason they can’t deliver to wherever the buyer wants the cargo. Would the USN interdict a Chinese flagged ship in international waters? On its way to China? How about on its way to Rotterdam?

    How far would the USN go if the tanker simply ignored them and stood on? While the USN has some experience ramming tankers, the experience wasn’t exactly salutary. If the USN got belligerent with a commercial Chinese ship, the PLAN could provide an escort next time, or place personnel on board with a few container launch Kalibrs on the deck. Would that give the USN a strong enough message?

    Anyway, doubtless the Chinese and Russian brain trusts have gamed out more imaginative and effective scenarios than I can imagine, and doubtless the US’ brain trusts have paralleled their thinking. So, both sides probably know they’re going into something like a pantomime until finally somebody really has to stand down.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  407. Yes indeed. And the Shah was wise to the JQ. Here’s a candid interview from 1976 exposing the Jewish power in the media:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/22/archives/the-shah-on-israel-corruption-torture-and.html

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  408. @geokat62

    This is the most confusing post I have every read. You are saying

    No rational explanation? Sorry, Fran. The Lobby’s eternal goal of stamping out antisemitism is the driving force behind the fall of the West. Just ask Rabbi David Bar-Hayim:

    Isn’t that what he is saying, that it is not the Jews driving the fall of the West?

    The fear you have? How do you think the goys in the West feel when they see their countries slated for annihilation by NGOs like Soros’ Open Society Foundations in Europe or HIAS in America?

    honestly I do not know WTF you are talking about. I do not know what that yellow paper stands for.
    Read this speech to the Vatican by Steve Bannon, on why the west is falling.
    Geo what are you a Jihadist. You know what I am be fair.
    I do not understand your points in this post. Perhaps over my head.

  409. @renfro

    That is why there is Israel, we got tired of being the scape goat of the worlds whimsy and problems.
    Back in the day it was said we caused the black plaque. Well you can say maybe we did maybe we didn’t but the point is there was a plaque, and everyone was frightened that the world was coming to an end. What calmed their fears was blaming it on the Jews.
    No matter what you think, first there was a plaque, then there were fears. You can figure it out.

  410. RobinG says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your link goes to a google search results page. Which article is it?

  411. Paul C. says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Gabbard is the latest antiwar “hope”. She isn’t going to do shit, especially if she gets to be president.

    Voting, along with a drivers license and social security tie us (American born Nationals/ State citizens) to the criminal USA Corporation impersonating the federal government of the united States of America. While I no longer vote, I haven’t escaped the other two yet.

    However, I disagree with your premise. By virtue of being heard in the debates and on the campaign, she’ll serve to wake up many to the insanity happening all around us and will continue to sharply contrast with the treasonous whores on the stage. This is exactly the type of person we need in the public eye and also why we appreciate the likes of Phil Giraldi.

    You only get to be President (of the USA Corporation) if you agree to play ball. They’re selected. Trump, like Obama before him (at least before his first term) said all the right things regarding foreign policy, yet nothing changes. They preferred him over Hillary (as we all did) for their own reasons.

    We need a peaceful revolution but as most of us know, it’s nearly impossible given (((they))) control the media and continue to keep the sheeple misinformed. I’m very grateful they haven’t shut down Tucker’s sane voice.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  412. @Parisian Guy

    I tried to respond to this twice but it did not post, I have had a terrible UR day as well as a flood in my basement. Crazy storms in the North East.

    – Do you recognize that your initial post was wrong and deceiving?
    – Or do you not recognize this conclusion?

    There was nothing I posted that could be deceiving, I just reiterated the days events, that the Bahrain foreign minister addressed Israel and said that it had a place in the region, deserved to live in peace, and he found Iran menacing. There was no opinion, nothing deceitful.

    You said:

    In modern language, it is good enough to simply say about the Bahreini ruler : Saudi poodle. He is Zionist only as long as Saudi Arabia King is allied with Israêl.

    Maybe maybe not.
    My post was not deceiving, and maybe your conclusion is correct.

    This is sort of how I feel from a post above.

    Iran does not want the Palestinians to get offered anything so good that they might accept it, because an equitable final settlement of the Palestine (AKA the Prophet’s Night Travel Land) problem would end Iran’s ability to pose as champion of the Palestinians, which is Iran’s only protection against being seen by the population of the Middle East as an enemy of the Arabs.

    I think the Al Quds claim is bullshit. Muslim holy lands are Mecca and Medina. Jerusalem is the home of both temples, every other word in the OT is Jerusalem never mentioned once in the Quran.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  413. @Fran Taubman

    Fran,

    Just imagine if you had no walls and snipers manning them, and some organisation marched millions of Muslims into Israel to demand to live there and get paid by Jews for doing so, assaulting and raping Jewish women, that sort of thing.

    And the equivalent of geokat’s first point would be some powerful lobby in Israel trying to stamp out Zionism.

  414. RobinG says:

    Obsession with Iran has Dept. of State championing the terrorist cult MEK.
    [Do we always have to pick the worst possible option? MEK are both jihadists and communists!] Here’s an update/primer.

    US officials join bizarre Iranian cult MEK in rallying for regime change

  415. RobinG says:

    PUTIN INTERVIEW – FINANCIAL TIMES
    Transcript: ‘All this fuss about spies … it is not worth serious interstate relations’
    The Russian president on globalisation, China, Trump and the end of the ‘liberal idea’
    https://www.ft.com/content/878d2344-98f0-11e9-9573-ee5cbb98ed36

    Also about Syria, immigration, religion, democracy …. More than usually interesting.

  416. @Sparkon

    You’ve overlooked the fact that the Logan Act specifically prohibits those kinds of contacts.

    I prefer to overlook off-topic facts.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  417. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Isn’t that what he is saying, that it is not the Jews driving the fall of the West?

    No, what the good rabbi is saying is that Europeans are indeed correct to blame the people who set up and work for organizations that promote mass migration into their homelands. But even though these people may self-identify as Jews they are not really Jews because they are not true-Torah Jews. They are secular Jews and therefore “confused” Jews in his own words.

    honestly I do not know WTF you are talking about. I do not know what that yellow paper stands for.

    The yellow paper is a note that Mark Potok stuck to his office wall. Mark Potok works for the Southern Poverty Law Centre (SPLC). It is the American version of the European organizations working to do damage to the host societies. Mark decided to track the percentage of non-Hispanic whites as a proportion of the overall US population. As the note shows, the decades 1920 and 1940 show that whites made up 90% of the population. While it declined to 80% in 1960, the big declines came after 1965 which is the year The Lobby finally got a non-restrictionist immigration act through Congress, the infamous Hart-Cellar Act. The last entry of his note, 2015, shows that whites are down to 62% of the population.

    Mark is tracking non-white immigration levels like a CEO tracks quarterly profits. This note represents the smoking gun that proves that organized Jewry is keenly interested in ensuring non-European immigration transforms the demographic complexion of the country.

    Read this speech to the Vatican by Steve Bannon, on why the west is falling.

    Sorry, Fran. Steve Brannon is a self-proclaimed Christian Zionist who is in bed with Jewish supremacists. I don’t think he’s in a position to provide an objective explanation as to why the West is falling. No, if you are truly interested in understanding the forces that underpin this phenomenon you should read Prof. Kevin MacDonald’s magnum opus, Culture of Critique.

    Geo what are you a Jihadist. You know what I am be fair.

    I am simply a dumb goyim who is trying to connect the dots to determine what is taking place in the West and who is responsible for it. It turns out your coreligionists, through their involvement in nefarious organizations, have played and continue to play a crucial role in undermining the West, Fran. And, as a result, the goys aren’t happy.

    I do not understand your points in this post. Perhaps over my head.

    Hopefully, these follow-up comments have clarified things a bit.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  418. @Fran Taubman

    That is why there is Israel, we got tired of being the scape goat of the worlds whimsy and problems.

    Well, judging by what the Israelis have been and are doing to the Palestinians, you’re going to be “scapegoats” for a long time. Who could blame the Palestinians for being your scapegoat? What did they ever do to you? Maybe the US taxpayer is also getting tired of being used by you as well.

    My advice.: Quit whining about being scapegoats and listen to your old prophets who say the same things as your new ones; i.e., quit acting like spoiled, entitled, G-wd-defying, brats and then maybe you won’t need to dwell on being “scapegoated.”

    The world is tired of your whining for special treatment while abusing the goyim at every opportunity.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  419. @Paul C.

    You’re both right.

    As for the putative “peace candidate,” she’s mainly there to make some of us dumb goyim think we have a choice, as George Carlin would probably say. Drama and “controversy” also help keep some of us glued to the tee-vee. The Shah (from Commentator Mikes link) correctly remarked,

    … You newspeople people, always must be sensational.

  420. Sparkon says:
    @Parisian Guy

    I prefer to overlook off-topic facts.

    Overlooking facts is a recipe for ignorance.

    Missing facts contribute to misinformation.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  421. @Fran Taubman

    Fran wrote:

    That is why there is Israel, we got tired of being the scape goat of the worlds whimsy and problems.

    Fran also wrote:

    … I have had a terrible UR day as well as a flood in my basement. Crazy storms in the North East.

    So, you are living in the “NE.” Do you mean the NE of Israel or the US, or what? If you, like a lot of Jewish folk, are and have been living in the US, then why do you need Israel? The USA is probably much better for you than Israel in any case. Plenty of sucdcessful ones in the US, so your claim doesn’t hold much water with some of us dumb goyim.

    Please get your story straight.

    • Replies: @Jacques Sheete
  422. Mike P says:
    @Erebus

    Well, I hope you’re right and I am wrong, but your explanation of how a war could be avoided is quite hand-waving.

    Sinking tankers in Hormuz seems indeed unlikely – but even a declaration that from now on every ship may be fired upon, or placing a couple of mines, will suffice, and to either the U.S. will have to respond in some form. Sanctions are maxed out, so I don’t see how the U.S. would avoid some sort of military action. Even if this were minor, the Iranians have promised to retaliate severely, and unlike the U.S. they have a reputation to lose.

    As for the Chinese or anyone else breaking the blockade with tankers, I don’t think so – nobody will invite the U.S. to strike at them instead of at Iran. Russia, at least, seems to be helping Iran to fortify itself; among the major powers, they seem to be the only one worth having as an ally. Since they also have at least a working relationship with all sides, they are the best hope to bring about some sort of peaceful resolution. Iran and the U.S. between themselves won’t manage.

  423. @Twodees Partain

    “She isn’t going to do shit, especially if she gets to be president.”

    Whereas the evil orange clown is doing lots of “shit,”; all of it immoral, illegal, unconstitutional, self-destructive, anti-American jew dirty work.

    You see, the jews need somebody who’s stupid, ignorant, profoundly “mentally ill” and inherently evil enough to be manipulated into taking action that could start WW3 and bring about TEOTWAWKI.

    Even Obama, as evil as he was, wouldn’t go all the way for them. They struck gold when they found the evil orange clown.

    All we need to stop the jewish-supremacist agenda at this now-or-never-moment in time is somebody who “isn’t going to do shit”; and Tulsi Gabbard, despite the fact that she’s only human and is therefore flawed, could be that person.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  424. @Jacques Sheete

    Pssst, Fran, check this out.

    In 2015, Chikli was found guilty of scamming money from French corporations by pretending to be their chief executive. By the time the verdict was reached, Chikli was safely ensconced in the Jewish State, which refuses to extradite its nationals.

    -Gilad Atzmon On Chosen-Mess

    You can fool yourself and some of the dumb goyim some of the time, but not all of us all of the time.

  425. hmonrdick says:

    The author says that “I confess to being mystified by those Americans who lean conservative, like myself, who continue to think that President Donald J. Trump is somehow doing a good job.” Given that the American electoral system is binary rather than parliamentary, his “mystification” begs the questions “Compared to What?” or “Compared to Whom?”. In that context, the author runs afoul of the ancient maxim “Don’t Let the Perfect Be the Enemy of the Good.” The author criticizes President Trump because he is not, in the author’s opinion, doing a “perfect” job. But which Democrat would he prefer to be President instead of Trump? In my opinion the question answers itself: None of them!

  426. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Again with the yellow paper? “The yellow paper” = Logical Fallacy

    Mark is tracking non-white immigration levels like a CEO tracks quarterly profits. This note represents the smoking gun that proves that organized Jewry is keenly interested in ensuring non-European immigration transforms the demographic complexion of the country.

    The only thing this paragraph proves is the deficiency of your reasoning. In your mind is a journalist who tracks suicide bombings also a terrorist? The SPLC may be everything you claim, but you haven’t proved it. The only smoke is coming out of ….

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  427. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @RobinG

    The SPLC may be everything you claim, but you haven’t proved it.

    In the self-serving words of the hate pimps themselves:

    https://www.splcenter.org/issues/immigrant-justice

    Translating the SPLC’s smarmy hasbara pimping “justice” and “dignity,” they describe their mission as consistent with geokat62’s contention about Potok’s yellow paper. They are doing all they can to release an infestation upon us, an infestation that Jewish exceptionalism disallows in Israel Occupied Palestine.

    “Jewish Involvement in Shaping US Immigration Policy”
    by Prof. Kevin MacDonald, Culture of Critique, Chapter 7:
    http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/CofCchap7.pdf

  428. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    Again with the yellow paper?

    what that ‘yellow paper’ represents, is exactly analogous to what this map represents

    In both cases it is a visual, on paper representation of the successes of Jewish supremacists over their victims.

    The ONLY moral difference between the two, is that you, Robin, are in sanguine agreement with the SPLC’s agenda vis-a-vis the White (‘racist’ ‘blah, blah..) world, and agree with Potok’s ‘yellow paper’ gloated-over numbers, as something to celebrate, if anything.

    Whereas you condemn (hypocritically) what’s going on in Palestine, but not for reasons of principle, but for obvious reasons of rank, personal tribalism. (your own ; )

    If you were principled, (can you even comprehend what that means?) you’d condemn ethnic cleansing and tribal hegemony and the colonization of existing peoples and cultures- no matter how much you despised the victims personally, no matter whom it is happening to, (yes, even to ‘evil, racist’ White people) >>shudder<<

    That's what being principled means. If colonization and ethnic cleansing is wrong, then its wrong in every case. Not the ones you and Mark Polok decide based on your own tribal affections, or lack there of.

    And if it's morally OK to colonize and ethnically cleanse people and cultures off the map, then that goes for everyone too.

    You can't pick and chose whom is worthy or not of being ethnically cleansed, unless you're de-facto unprincipled, which is sort of a rhetorical statement, isn’t it?

  429. Rurik says:
    @Nehlen

    You’re not thinking in the right caliber.

    Well Paul, at least you said ‘in’, and not ‘at’, so there’s that!

    But I’m here as a student, Sir.

    To learn from the knowledge and wisdom and insights (and even occasionally scholarship) of others…

    ..even on occasion to point out some obvious errors, (or hypocrisy ; ), when I see them. 😉

    But mostly to learn, and I can thank Mr. Unz for making this remarkable site available, because I’ve done quite a lot of learning (often from being chided for mistakes) since I’ve been participating here.

    The point being, what do you mean?

  430. RobinG says:
    @Rurik

    …. and the Logical Fallacies continue….

    “But I’m here as a student, Sir.”

    Maybe Ron has a primer on reading comprehension.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  431. Robjil says:
    @RobinG

    Potok does have a fetish for disliking “white” European Americans.

    Here he is saying half of whites hate black without any evidence, unlike that yellow paper.

    https://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=91408

    “While discussing whether or not white on black crime has increased in recent years, Potok argued that a drastic rise was evident, alluding that American whites have become more racist due to a black president.

    “Well I think the best data shows that in fact anti-black racism has risen over the last four or five years,” Potok said. “There’s polling that shows that both implicit and explicit anti-black attitudes among American whites have gone up quite significantly between 2008 and 2012 to the point where now more than half of white Americans have these anti-black attitudes.”

    This was on CNN. The CNN reporter counter this by.

    “Reiham Salam also went on to highlight the fact that the definition of racism has drastically changed, with certain groups attempting to find racism in places it may not actually exist.

    “The thing is, people are getting very creative in what they are characterizing as racism,” Salam added. “When you look at hard statistics like interracial marriages, interracial friendships, when you look at the level of racial segregation, you’ve seen enormous progress over time and I think that we should celebrate it.” ”

    His organization is all about keeping the “In group at the top” in control and nothing more than that. He labels any group that questions our government’s policies.

    “Groups such as Oath Keepers, an organization filled with military, police and firefighters who support their oath to the Constitution, have been labeled as hateful and racist by the SPLC. In its desperate attempt to demonize any group that questions government corruption, the SPLC has even gone as far as labeling alternative media outlet We Are Change as racist as well.”

    • Replies: @RobinG
  432. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    that Robin, is what you call a ‘dodge’.

    But you were right to try it.

    did you read, (and comprehend ; ) this part?

    “..even on occasion to point out some obvious errors, (or hypocrisy ; ), when I see them.”

  433. @Rurik

    Jeepers, and here I thought I had political/gender 🙃issues with Lady RobinG, and then Rurik entered & politely asked her: “You can’t pick and chose whom is worthy or not of being ethnically cleansed, unless you’re de-facto unprincipled, which is sort of a rhetorical statement, isn’t it?”

    Hm. I must now call my Knesset Senator West, Bobby Casey (D./Pa), and ask him how I should proceed with the takeover of my “Homeland…,” that is, with rhetorical principles.

    Thanks a lot, Bro Rurik.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  434. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    You can’t pick and chose whom is worthy or not of being ethnically cleansed blah, blah

    US Americans, white or otherwise, are NOT being ethnically cleansed.
    To compare immigration into the US, most of it resulting from US policies such as those towards Mexico, Central America and beyond, with the land theft and brutal expulsion the Palestinians have been enduring at the hands of the Jewish supremacists is just simply complete intellectual FRAUD.

    Re those alleged innocent “cowboys” you keep telling us about:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/one-third-of-americans-would-support-a-preemptive-nuclear-strike-on-north-korea-researchers-say/2019/06/25/25ed1314-9711-11e9-a027-c571fd3d394d_story.html

    One-third of Americans would support a preemptive nuclear strike on North Korea, researchers say

    More than a third of Americans would support a preemptive nuclear strike on North Korea if that country tested a long-range missile capable of reaching the United States[ which N. Korea has already tested], new research has found, even if that preemptive strike killed a million civilians.

    The survey of 3,000 Americans was conducted by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists and British research firm YouGov, and asked people to consider a scenario in which North Korea had tested a long-range missile and the U.S. government was considering how to respond. …

    Most did not want their government to launch a preemptive strike, but a large minority supported such a strike, whether by conventional or nuclear weapons.

    “For many of these hawks, support for an attack, even in a preventive war, does not significantly decrease when the story says that the United States would use nuclear weapons that are expected to kill 1 million North Korean civilians,” the report found.
    “As we have previously found, the U.S. public exhibits only limited aversion to nuclear weapons use and a shocking willingness to support the killing of enemy civilians.” …

    Republicans expressed greater support for military strikes than Democrats, and Trump supporters voiced even stronger approval: a majority of them preferred a military strike in five of the six scenarios described in the survey. Among supporters of the death penalty, support for a nuclear strike actually rose from 38 percent to 49 percent when the number of expected North Korean fatalities increased from 15,000 to 1.1 million;…

    The following is very revealing as to how many American minds work, & perhaps it is not so strange that the ZUS is so tight with the Zionist entity after all…

    But approval ratings fell if the chances of success in preventing retaliation fell to 50 percent, a finding that the survey’s authors said “should remind Washington decision-makers that public support for any U.S. first strike is likely to diminish greatly if the attack fails and large numbers of Americans are killed.”

  435. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    takeover of my “Homeland…,” that is, with rhetorical principles.

    hmm..

    Some people deserve a ‘homeland’, and some don’t. Just ask some of the people here – whom..

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  436. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    The only thing this paragraph proves is the deficiency of your reasoning. In your mind is a journalist who tracks suicide bombings also a terrorist?

    Deficiency in my reasoning? Your analogy of an objective journalist tracking suicide bombings is flawed. A better analogy would be a representative from Irgun tracking the number of people killed in hotel bombings. Is it not safe to assume that if we discovered a post-it note in Menachem Begin‘s office tracking the number of people killed, most would agree it would be reasonable to assume the Irgun was in the business of terrorism?

    Look, the case for The Lobby being largely responsible for pushing for the passage of the non-restrictionist immigration bill in 1965 was made by Prof. Kevin MacDonald in Ch. 7 of his Culture of Critique. I believe Al Liguore may have even posted a link to it. You should give it a read… it is very convincing. The yellow post-it note simply puts paid to his compelling argument.

    Again with the yellow paper? “The yellow paper” = Logical Fallacy

    Logical Fallacy? The only thing I can do to indicate who is guilty of making logical fallacies is to quote a comment by Al Liguore in connection with one of Fran Taubman’s previous comments, who happens to agree with you that my logic is faulty:

    Fran says: “I do not understand all the hatred fighting”
    Then Fran says: “I really hate them, …. I would suit up for this fight myself.”

    What a (((psycho)))!

    I think most would agree that this is not a stellar example of someone who has a strong command of Aristotelian logic, no?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Robjil
  437. RobinG says:
    @Robjil

    From some months (or years) ago, Sam Shama and S2C were debating. I remember being disappointed because neither one of them were making very good points to support their arguments. Maybe Geo has all sorts of evidence that SPLC is anti-white, but he didn’t present any. He’s posted that yellow paper many times, along with unwarranted conclusions. Poor Fran had every right to be bewildered. Then Rurik comes along with an army of straw men to berate me because I said Geo didn’t make his case well.

    The whole topic doesn’t interest me enough to delve into who those people and groups are, but thanks for the effort.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @geokat62
  438. RobinG says:
    @L.K

    US Americans, white or otherwise, are NOT being ethnically cleansed.
    To compare immigration into the US, most of it resulting from US policies such as those towards Mexico, Central America and beyond, with the land theft and brutal expulsion the Palestinians have been enduring at the hands of the Jewish supremacists is just simply complete intellectual FRAUD.

    Agreed, thank you.

  439. @Rurik

    Hey Rurik!

    I suppose you got L.K’s very important point when, in comment #440, he emphasized: “The following is very revealing as to how many American minds work, & perhaps it is not so strange that the ZUS is so tight with the Zionist entity after all…”

    It truly is “Good night America,”* as the survey (which L.K referenced) about the goodness of ZUS first strikes, “should remind Washington decision-makers that public support for any U.S. first strike is likely to diminish greatly if the attack fails and large numbers of Americans are killed.”😒

    Once again, my thanks & respect, L.K. (Zigh) “Washington decision makers,” the fuckers.

    * Peace be upon him, P.G. nailed it, 👍!

    • Replies: @Rurik
  440. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    you misquoted me.

    that’s considered a no, no, in certain circles.

    US Americans, white or otherwise, are NOT being ethnically cleansed.

    Fuck you. Yes they in fact are. I’ve seen it right before my eyes. In Miami, I watched it happen, asshole. So take your lies and chupar y tragar, K? (even Kevin Barrett, in his podcast with your butt-buddy, admitted that it’s happening in places like Texas, and elsewhere).

    To compare immigration into the US,… …, with the land theft and brutal expulsion the Palestinians … is just simply complete intellectual FRAUD.

    No, it isn’t. It’s spot on the brutal truth. If, you understand what being principled means. But you don’t L.K, because your rotten soul is full to the brim with anti-white American racial hatred.

    [MORE]

    most of it resulting from US policies such as those towards Mexico, Central America and beyond

    that is a rotten and idiotic lie. Aren’t you the one who goes around excoriating people for telling lies?

    Mexiso and Central America are shitholes of poverty and corruption. I’ve been there, I’ve seen it, and that’s why they’re coming here, as economic migrants, and you’re just a pathetic lying POS.

    simply complete intellectual FRAUD.

    Bullshit.

    You’re just an unprincipled, lying, intellectual fraud. Who’s full to the brim with transparent, glaring, anti-white-American hatred. (And fuck you for it ; )

    Pointing out the stupidity and gullibility (and yes, bloodthirsty savagery) of the average American dufus, lied to 24/7, doesn’t change the fact that white America is being ethnically cleaned out of many, many of their communities and entire metropolitan areas. You may try to justify that by saying they’re stupid and war crazed, and you just don’t like them, but the truth is the truth, and either a people, (no matter how much you hate them, L.K.) are either entitled to a homeland, or they’re not. If a Palestinian tells me that my offspring are not entitled to a homeland, because someone who looked like them did something bad a few centuries ago, then I hope with all my heart that such a Palestinian has his home demolished and his dreams pissed on. Because that’s all such a person deserves.

    I’m sure I could find Brazilians who favor death squad for teenage boys, or Russians who genocided their rivals, or Poles or Croats who did the exact same thing. In fact, with your little copy/paste, all you’re doing is making my case, because you’re whole point is ‘So what if they are being ethnically cleansed, they are too evil to deserve a homeland’. The exact same manure a Zionist spews all day long.

    So don’t try to deflect and blend from the issue in question. And that is the principle of ethnic cleansing. And on that principle, I am 100% correct about Palestinians having an absolute 100% right to maintain their ethnic identity and culture in their own lands, EXACTLY like anyone else, and yes, fuck face, that means WHITE Americans too.

    I’ve had to deal with the real consequences of your kind of singular hate, L. K., all my life. And it is taking this nation to the brink of civil war. Where will you be on that day? Eh? Cowering somewhere south of the border, gloating at all the horrors, and laughing at the misery.

    Who here at Unz doubts for one second that L.K. would enjoy nothing more than slaughter in the streets of Middle America? No one, that’s who. Because the dank rancor in your black soul, is all too obvious even for the biggest dullards out there.

    So hike up this pair of nice, big white balls, and weigh them on your tongue, eh?. Nice and salty, I know. And all for you!

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @L.K
  441. @geokat62

    Hey geo!

    I continue to be mystified & awed by my Lady RobinG’s logic which relates to troll Fran Taubman’s “confusion” and then downgrades S2C’s solid reasoning. W.T.F.?

    Nonetheless, looks like she’d be happy if Sam Shama returns, and restarts his Paul Krugman “chat room” with InZitatus! (Zigh)

    Thanks, Bro.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  442. Rurik says:
    @RobinG

    Then Rurik comes along with an army of straw men to berate me because I said Geo didn’t make his case well.

    No, what I did was make an ironclad case for the principle of self-determination.

    Either a people are entitled to it, or they’re not.

    It’s exactly that simple.

    The only reason some people can’t handle such elementary logic, is because it flies in the face of their cherished passions and hatreds. ‘Of course the Palestinians deserve a homeland! What kind of monster would doubt it?!’

    ‘White Americans? Those evil, cretins and racists?! Fuck them!’

    But if you’re principled, even people you hate, deserve the same rights as others.

    Most humans are endemically incapable of those kinds of nuanced philosophical insights, because it requires of them to set aside their subjective views of the world, and look at philosophical questions sans their own privately-held prejudices. Impossible for most people.

    • Troll: L.K
  443. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I continue to be mystified & awed by my Lady RobinG’s logic…

    Now, keep in mind this is merely a hypothesis on my part, Chuck, but this phenomenon could be tied to the lunar cycle.

  444. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Hey Rurik!

    I suppose you got L.K’s very important point

    I did, Brother Chuck!

    I did indeed!

    Once again, my thanks & respect, L.K. (Zigh) “Washington decision makers,” the fuckers.

    But I fear the point was lost on you, Brother Chuck.

    L.K.’s point is that America’s guilt is not a consequence of “Washington decision makers,” – no, no no! But rather a consequence of the utterly congenital unworthiness of the (white) American people.

    L.K.s point is that even tho the ethnic cleansing- that he dishonestly claims is not happening- is in-your-face obvious, they deserve to be ethically cleansed because they’re too deplorable and irredeemable as a people to deserve anything!

    So it was a two-pronged point. Lie about ethnic cleansing, then try to justify it with a poll that shows they deserve it.

    For some bizarre reason, my reply to L.K. was put under a More button.

    Very curious indeed. One of my more restrained replies, all things considered..

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  445. Robjil says:
    @geokat62

    When she mentioned tracking suicide bombings, Rita Katz came to mind. So, yes tracking things points to one’s wanting it to happen.

    .https://www.yemenpress.org/carousel-post/who-is-rita-katz-and-how-is-she-related-to-isis/

    “When it comes to terrorist attacks by ISIS, a name strikes the minds of reporters and newsmen whose twitter account can be a good source to provide them with novel news; Rita Katz. Wednesday attack by ISIS forces in two spots to capital of Iran proved another time that the intelligence and briefs reach Katz sooner and first-handed than other sources.”

  446. @Rurik

    Hey Rurik!

    Like the late-Chuck Jones’s great character, Pepe Le Pew, I am sentimental for all U.R. anti-Supremacist Jew commenters!

    For examples, I like geokat, Iris, S2C, Jacques Sheete, Grace Poole, Zumbuddi, renfro, Twodees Partain, L.K, Mike P., and oh fuck,🙄 RobinG, Wally, Old Jew, Fatima Manoubia, Jonathan Revusky, etcetera. However, sometimes they think I stink! Haha. I trust this point is not lost on you, Bro Rurik? Linked below, please refer to Pepe Le Pew’s attitude & cross skunks must bear?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  447. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I trust this point is not lost on you, Bro Rurik?

    I get what you’re saying Bro Chuck, and yes, I also have tons of respect for the intelligence and (usually) decency of the people on your list.

    As you know, I (reluctantly) exchanged email addresses with one of them, as I admired his intelligence and skepticism and general moxie.

    Some of the people on the list I even feel a friendship towards. Isn’t that funny? and these are cyber people I’ve never met, and yet I feel an affection for some of them. I remember a while back, my gal was asking me, ‘oh geeze, what are you reading and smiling at now’, and I said ‘it’s my friend Jacques.

    So I get what you’re saying, and I respect it.

    My only problem is when I discover when people harbor an intractable antipathy for all those (often towheads) in my extended American family. The young men, who are shut out of jobs, because of the official societal enmity against their type. The teenagers who my heart bleeds for, knowing the kind of visceral hatred they’re going to be subjected to, not for anything that they’ve done, but because Goldman Sachs fucked over some south American country. Or the war pigs bombed some village somewhere.

    And then some cocksucker tells me it was my niece’s fault, and I go ape-shit. And want to bash faces.

    Sorry, sorry.

    It’s just that it’s the same God damn shit I’ve been bludgeoned with my entire life, by the schools, academia, and all the rest. I did slavery. I genocided the Indians. I gassed the Jews, I caused blacks to commit crimes, and now it’s comeuppance time baby, so get to the back of the line whitey, because we don’t tolerate ‘racists’ anymore.

    And more over whitey, La Raza is taking over. No more racist people allowed!

    It’s been a literal avalanche of whitey-hatred since I can remember, and so when an otherwise intelligent person waxes on about how there’s nothing to worry about with Muslims in Europe, because they only rape a few girls here and there, or white ethnic cleansing isn’t real, and they deserve it anyways, or white American who don’t like mass-immigration, are only butt-hurt losers full of hatred for the poor immigrant, it boils my blood.

    And I have passionate blood to begin with, so you see the problem, Brother Chuck. I’m just tired of intellectually lazy people thinking they too can heap it on the (especially children of my extended) family, exactly like the Jewish supremacists have been doing since I’ve been alive.

    There are two types of people the Jewish supremacists hate with a Satanic ferocity; Palestinians, and especially white, Gentile, Southern, straight, gun-owning, fiercely independent, descendants of north-western Europe. And both of these people are relentlessly demonized, and ethnically cleansed where possible, no matter how many lies are otherwise told about them.

    So I hope Unz readers will excuse a certain amount of intemperance when it comes to the ethnic cleansing of my own, with the obvious intention of ultimate ignoble genocide.

    I suppose some of them think, ‘well asshole, then stop your government from doing what it’s doing’. To them all I can only say ‘suck it!’. I’m a working class nobody. Telling truck drivers and small businessmen and janitors to change the government and rein in the Jewish supremacists, is so over-the-top obnoxious that I fear I’d vomit in their faces if they told me that in person.

    But I agree, on some issues, I’m on their side.

  448. @Fran Taubman

    1) Thanks for finally answering
    2) I do continue to feel the post was deceiving. I mean that the message was deceiving. It makes the reader to believe that Bahrein, this country and its people, were in line with Saudiland and/or Israel. In truth, the statement only reflected the thinking of the pupett of the Saudi King. Did you wanted to deceive, this I cannot know. I cannot read in your brain. I heared your claim and I leave it to your inner thought.
    3) If it was an genuine mistake from your part, you could think about how you could sometimes be deceived, and watch for it. It looks like you take it as an obvious truth that you were born in the right party. Have you ever thought that there is no reason for such a luck. It is as well possible that you were born in the wrong party. Here is why:
    Everywhere on planet earth, everybody believes to be born in the one country which has the greatest history, the most glorious and moral foundations, and the greatest heroes or the greatest values. Of course, everybody takes also as an obvious fact that his religion is the only serious one.
    How could it be? Isn’t it obvious that most, if not all, people are wrong and self-deceiving about their country, their religion and their own luck which landed them in the right position at birth time, according to themselves. How could it be that you would not be one of these 99.9% self-deceiving individuals.
    What I just said is obvious. Nevertheless most people are happy to ignore it. The reason is that everybody want to feel he is valuable. This is a strong want. In my absolutely valuable opinion, it is as strong as a biological want. It may even sometimes be stronger. And in most peoples it prevails on the need to think rationnaly and make unbiased assesment.

  449. @Sparkon

    You’re absolutely right but in the case of off-topic facts

  450. @L.K

    US Americans, white or otherwise, are NOT being ethnically cleansed.

    Well you could more politely say they are being replaced, intentionally and deliberately. It’s been official UN policy (even if their report title guardedly ends with a “?”) since at least 2000, but obviously far longer in the works before the report was prepared, and it clearly states that USA is one of the countries targetted for population replacement:

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
    • Replies: @L.K
  451. @Rurik

    Hope I’ve not caught you in an angry mood, but you can see that many Palestinians, and others, can blame Americans for that yellow map you show, and many victims of US policies abroad may indeed have no good will towards Americans, and in the past it would have been mostly white Americans that they would blame as that was the demography until more recently.

    I wouldn’t blame people today for the past but when they still do the same don’t they deserve the blame?

    And then we come, not just with regard to USA but any regime or government anywhere, who should we blame for the sins of the governments: the visible rulers, the hidden ones (Jews, Masons, Illuminati, bankers), or the common people? I still feel it’s up to the people the kind of government they have, and not just in democracies where they can vote but even under the most severe dictatorships, as if they don’t like it they can change it, and in dictatorships it may be at a severe cost to the people but then that’s just the way it is. Ultimately and always it will be up to the people as to who and how they allow to rule over them, but in this world of so many interconnected and conflicting interests and a divided people it is very difficult for the people, that collective of disparate individuals, to have the necessary wisdom of how and when to apply that power that rests in them and express it in a way that doesn’t lead to further destruction of their nations, especially by external more powerful hegemonists. A very complicated situation, and as history shows, when the people did express their power through revolutions like in America, France, Russia, etc. it ended up with this world we have today. If better or worse than before the revolutions, or even after the further 1990s people’s revolts in Eastern Europe, I don’t know. The people have the power, but the wisdom to use it best in their own interest is what is lacking. And then they’re so easily manipulated in peace, war, and revolution to serve others’ interests, and their best intentions and actions are easily derailed. Just musing philosophically here ….

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @Rurik
  452. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    Maybe Geo has all sorts of evidence that SPLC is anti-white, but he didn’t present any.

    Apologies for the oversight. I wrongly assumed that, unlike regulars of Yahoo News, most Unzers would be familiar with the nefarious agenda of the (((SPLC))).

    Here are a few links from familiar sources that expose this reality:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-southern-poverty-law-center-has-lost-all-credibility/2018/06/21/22ab7d60-756d-11e8-9780-b1dd6a09b549_story.html?utm_term=.a48ed6155f11

    https://clarionproject.org/southern-poverty-law-center-covers-anti-white-hate-crime/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/31/splc-the-much-cited-designator-of-hate-groups-explains-why-white-lives-matter-is-one/?utm_term=.d83aeab88d10

    https://redice.tv/news/5-reasons-the-southern-poverty-law-center-is-a-hate-mongering-scam

    The whole topic doesn’t interest me…

    Pity

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @RobinG
  453. geokat62 says:

    Finally, some breaking news from Canada that is worth sharing with my fellow Unzers.

    It appears a new political party is about to break onto the Canadian political stage. It’s called the Canadian Nationalist Party.

    But guess who’s trying to stop this effort dead in its tracks? You’re right, it’s the Canadian equivalent to the SPLC:

    The Canadian Anti-Hate Network (CAHN), a non-profit watchdog group, has filed a formal complaint with the RCMP and Elections Canada to try to derail that effort.

    And the spokesman for CAHN is Bernie M. Farber, who is a former chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

    Notice a pattern goy?

    Even in Canada, the pendulum has officially begun to swing in the other direction.

    Here is the full text of the CBC News article, RCMP launch hate crime probe of leader of nationalist group vying for party status in federal election:

    [MORE]

    RCMP in Saskatchewan have launched an investigation into an online video featuring the head of an extremist group that’s poised to become Canada’s next official political party.

    The video was posted on the website of the Canadian Nationalist Party and on its Facebook and YouTube pages. It shows the leader of the group, Travis Patron, denouncing what he describes as “the parasitic tribe” or “black sheep” who he claims control the media and the central bank in Canada.

    “What we need to do, perhaps more than anything, is remove these people once and for all from our country,” Patron says, speaking directly to the camera.

    The Canadian Nationalist Party, which promotes anti-immigrant and anti-LGBTQ views — and calls for the removal of “globalists” from the country — is in the final stages of applying to be able to collect tax-deductible political donations and run a slate of candidates in the upcoming federal election.

    Elections Canada has given it until July 15 to provide the 250 signed declarations from members who are eligible voters that it needs to officially register as a federal political party.

    The Canadian Anti-Hate Network, a non-profit watchdog group, has filed a formal complaint with the RCMP and Elections Canada to try to derail that effort.

    “This is a group that is pure and simple a hate group,” said Bernie M. Farber, the anti-hate network’s chair and a human rights consultant.

    “The way our laws stand today, there is nothing standing in their way save, right now, maybe 37 signatures to become an official political party here in Canada.”

    Patron told CBC News there are no grounds to bar his group from official party status and that his members have not violated hate speech laws.

    “To date, our party has not said a hateful word, we’ve caused no violence, and we’ve done nothing illegal,” he said in an email from Redvers, Sask., where he plans to run as a CNP candidate in October’s federal election.

    Group’s message targets ‘globalists’

    Saskatchewan RCMP confirmed they opened an investigation Wednesday into the video featuring Patron posted on the CNP website.

    Farber called the video hateful and “clearly” anti-Semitic although he acknowledged Patron makes no explicit reference to Jews.

    “The kind of tropes that Jews have been subject to for much of our collective lives have been exactly the words used by Mr. Patron in this video — controlling the media, controlling the entertainment business,” said Farber, who is a former chief executive of the Canadian Jewish Congress.

    “So, instead of using the word ‘Jews,’ which would immediately not just raise the ire of Canadians but would, I think, shine a spotlight for law enforcement … they’re trying to walk this fine line. They just don’t, in my view, do a very good job about it.”

    WATCH | The leader of the Canadian Anti-Hate Network explains why he asked the RCMP to investigate Travis Patron’s political message:

    Patron told CBC News his statements are directed at “globalists.”

    “They go by many different names,” he said. “We refer to them simply as the globalists because they conduct their business everywhere while simultaneously calling no place in particular home. We would remove [them] from our country. We have no use for them.”

    The RCMP say they are consulting hate crime specialists to determine whether Patron’s comments in the video contravene criminal laws against advocating genocide or hatred against an identifiable group.

    Tax-supported party funding

    Patron grew up in a small farming community near in Redvers, Sask. As a university student in 2012 in the economics and business department of University of Saskatchewan, he discovered bitcoin.

    He became an early investor in the cryptocurrency, an enterprise that Patron said has been “very profitable.”  In 2014, he published an e-book on the subject, The Bitcoin Revolution: An Internet of Money.

    Patron founded the Canadian Nationalist Party in June 2017.

    If it gets official party status, the group will be able to issue tax receipts for party contributions and qualify to get 50 per cent of its election expenses paid if it manages to get at least two per cent of the valid votes cast nationally or at least five per cent of the valid votes cast in the electoral districts in which it endorsed a candidate.

    The Canadian Anti-Hate Network filed a complaint with Elections Canada last week denouncing the CNP as a hate group.

    “For obvious reasons, we don’t want to see the CNP become a tax-supported (via contribution reimbursements) and officially recognized party,” the network’s complaint says.

    “What can be done to prevent this neo-Nazi party from becoming an official party?”

    Under the existing laws, not much.

    Farber says Canada should follow countries like Germany that bar groups promoting anti-democratic views from registering in the political process.

    “We have to be very careful in between finding that balance of our rights in a free and democratic society to gather and to create political parties and then balance that with hate speech and hate groups that are out there who are trying to destroy society.”

    Pauline Beange, an Elections Canada expert at the University of Toronto, believes Canadian governments would be “very reluctant” to pass legislation restricting access to political participation.

    “Basically anybody can apply to be registered,” she said. “They have to choose a name. They have to have a certain number of signatures. But after that, it is not Elections Canada’s job to decide who should or who should not become a political party.”

    There is always a risk of extreme views on the left or right, she said, but whether the groups that espouse those views actually gain a political foothold is another matter.

    “We have had parties on the extreme left like the Marxist-Leninist Party, the Communist Party of Canada. So, we have tolerated those. They have not hijacked democracy in any way, shape or form. And again, I rely on Canadian voters and their judgment.”

    Anti-Pride

    Members of the CNP, and supporters wearing party T-shirts, appeared at recent Pride celebrations in Hamilton and Toronto.

    Patron says he’s reviewed numerous videos of violent clashes between protesters at those events and insists his supporters adhered to his party’s code of conduct, which prohibits incitement of violence and use of hateful language.

    “Taking a look at the video footage [from Pride events], at least what has been released, I’m happy to see that our members acted with professionalism, and they stood by, and they did not cause any violence,” he told CBC News.

    However, one video being circulated on social media from Toronto last weekend shows two men wearing CNP shirts taking part in the violence.

    The clip, shot inside the Eaton Centre mall in downtown Toronto, shows one of the men pummelling a downed protester with a bike helmet.

    Moments later, a different man wearing a CNP shirt is seen shoving a security guard.

    In a video on the party’s YouTube channel, Patron calls for the defunding of Pride parades across the country. He criticizes Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for “normalizing homosexuality” by appearing at Pride events.

    When asked by CBC to explain his views on LGBTQ issues, he replied that homosexuality “leads to self-destruction.”

    “A prerequisite for the continuity of our nationhood is that of future generations, progeny and fertility … In regards to same-sex couples, there is no biological progeny, and therefore, a nationalist government would not support such a lifestyle choice by publicly financing it.”

    In a statement to CBC News, Elections Canada says the Canada Elections Act has no restrictions to bar political parties with extreme views, nor can it bar candidates or parties that are under police investigation or have a criminal record.

    Only prisoners are prohibited from running for office.

  454. Dear U.R. commenters,

    FYI, late-last night, early morning, I checked into this article comment-thread’s progress, and saw InZitatus The Troll-Builder had posted another superfluous & unnecessary comment. Hm. It’s no more, “moderated” & gone, and his low rent & High-Rise ego must now tremble. Haha.

    As typically immature and articulate, 🙄InZitatus tried to draw out Philip Giraldi on the matter of P.G.’s having joined the CIA instead of gaining employment with the US State Department.

    To lonesome InZitatus: Am trying to reckon why you have yet to become a Rabbi. (Zigh) Haha.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  455. geokat62 says:

    Guess who’s being groomed for 2024?

    If we keep to the R/D alternating the WH, it’s Democrat Joe you-don’t-have-to-be-a-Jew-to-be-a-Zionist Biden in 2020, followed by Republican de facto Israeli agent, Nikki (Nimrata Randhawa) Haley in 2024.

    Excerpts from, With High Heels And A Big Smile, Nikki Haley Schmoozes Israel:

    She glowed as Miriam Adelson told the crowd, “In Hollywood, Wonder Woman is Gal Gadot; in the real world, it is Nikki Haley.”…

    She also exclusively wore white, evoking at once the women’s suffrage movement and the Israeli flag, while accommodating hours spent posing for photos in the desert sun. In swirling lace and three-quarter-length sleeves at the Western Wall she looked like a Sabbath bride, then lunched with the Prime Minister in pants and a structured white net blazer that covered her wrists while still looking chic. For her speaking appearance at the Israel Hayom forum she wore a shimmering ivory and gold collared dress so perfect for the occasion that might as well have played a choral version of “Jerusalem, City Of Gold” every time she breathed. ““Wow, she really understands tzniess,” an Orthodox woman breathed to Ha’aretz reporter Anshel Pfeffer, praising Haley’s sense of religious modesty. The former ambassador complimented the white-gold dress with her highest, thickest heel of the visit.

    https://forward.com/schmooze/426699/with-high-heels-and-a-big-smile-nikki-haley-schmoozes-israel/

    Kind of makes you wanna puke, doesn’t it?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  456. @Commentator Mike

    To Rurik, Commenter Mike opined: “People have the power, but the wisdom to use it best in their own interest is what is lacking.”

    Uh, 🙄. The “wisdom to use it”? Hm.

    During preZidential campaign, 2016, Debbie Wasserman Schultz did her “people power” thing, and helped put Senator Bernie Sanders’ campaign o.o.b.

    Haha. The DNC favored Shabbos goy, Putin-hater, & Wall Street Queen Hillary over a left wing Vermont Jew. 😕

    I am a “people,” and am prepared to once again get marginalized by my “Homeland’s” Supremacist Jews.

    So “cheers” to the masses of handcuffed ‘Merikan voters who think their day will come during controlled elections, er selections. Thanks, C.M.

  457. @geokat62

    As Miriam Adelson glowed over Nikki Haley’s being groomed for 2024 ZUS president, I agree as geo contemplated the reality & asked: “Kind of makes you wanna puke, doesn’t it?”

    Have relatively strong stomach & thick skin, but above “yes,” geo, because the usual Supremacist “selections” do call for Maalox on occassion.

    In addition, I think well meaning Unzers now ought prepare themselves for The Pax of Gabbard’s going out, like did the hula hoop.

    Thanks, geo, for passing on another Real Jews “Schmooze” learning experience!

  458. @renfro

    Trump must not have learned much in his real estate career….if you try to lowball a seller who has staying power with an insulting price then he’s gonna raise the price to see how bad you want it.

    Trump learned how to squeeze vendors and contractors and he’s still trying these same tactics with Iran. The problem Trump is facing is his lack of knowledge about the bigger world, but he’s a fast learner.
    If he can control his zionists pals and owners, he will turnout to be best American president.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Parisian Guy
  459. geokat62 says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    If he can control his zionists pals and owners, he will turnout to be best American president.

    Unfortunately, the causal direction of control is opposite to what you suggest – i.e., (((they))) control him.

    • Agree: By-tor
    • LOL: ChuckOrloski
  460. @Fran Taubman

    black plaque

    plaque | plak |
    noun
    1 an ornamental tablet, typically of metal, porcelain, or wood, that is fixed to a wall or other surface in commemoration of a person or event.
    2 a sticky deposit on teeth in which bacteria proliferate.
    3 Medicine a small, distinct, typically raised patch or region resulting from local damage or deposition of material, such as a fatty deposit on an artery wall in atherosclerosis or a site of localized damage of brain tissue in Alzheimer’s disease.
    • Microbiology a clear area in a cell culture caused by the inhibition of growth or destruction of cells by an agent such as a virus.

    plague | plāɡ |
    noun
    a contagious bacterial disease characterized by fever and delirium, typically with the formation of buboes (see bubonic plague) and sometimes infection of the lungs (pneumonic plague): an outbreak of the Jewish plague

    • Replies: @Robjil
  461. Iris says:
    @L.K

    More than a third of Americans would support a pre-emptive nuclear strike on North Korea

    The following is very revealing as to how many American minds work, & perhaps it is not so strange that the ZUS is so tight with the Zionist entity after all…

    Your comment is disingenuous and dishonest.

    You equate everyday people in the US and UK, who sincerely believe in fear-mongering war propaganda they were submitted to all of their lifetime, to the Zionist masterminds who knowingly, cynically, and methodically organise and broadcast this mendacious propaganda.

    To criticise the American people for poorly using their free will, you first need to prove that they are fairly informed: please do show us a US media, one, just one, where information about 9/11 is uncensored.

    • Agree: geokat62
    • Replies: @L.K
  462. Robjil says:
    @Al Liguori

    It is quite odd that only the Kingdom of Poland had no bubonic plague during the Great Plague in Europe in the 14th century.

    https://historum.com/threads/why-did-the-bubonic-plague-miss-poland.41092/

    “During the years 1348-1350 Europe experienced the Bubonic Plague, which killed 30%-60% of its population. It reached even the most isolated places such as Scnadinavia and northern Russia. One reagion however was almost entirely spared – the Kingdom of Poland. What was the reason for that? This region was not less urbanized or populated than most of Europe, and especially not Scandiavia or Russia. It was also linked to the rest of Europe via roads and trade, which flourished along the so-called “amber road”. Krakow was a major trade center on that road and even had the largest medieval market square on the continent. The climate of the region was not different than most of Europe and the geography was nothing special too. So i personally can find no logical explanation to maps such as that below: ”

    Can’t figure how to get the map copied, so look at the site.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  463. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    It was Fran who needed an explanation, in case you’ve forgotten.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  464. @Rev. Spooner

    >Trump must not have learned much in his real estate career….if you try to lowball a seller who has staying power with an insulting price then ………

    Trump learned how to squeeze vendors and contractors and he’s still trying these same tactics ……

    to squeeze and to lowball, to renege on your word, to threaten, to bluff and many other tricks …

    You can behave this way in the real estate business, as long as it’s efficient. Everything the other party thought about and learned about your behavior will have limited consequences, because you don’t need to preserve the conditions for one more subsequent deal with them. In order to continue your “Real Estate Success Story”, you only need to find another bargaining partner to mistreat.

    International politics is a small village inhabited by about 160 heads of state. In this village, you can fool someone once. But how will you do when you have to make another agreement with him? In addition, as in any small village, your behavior cannot go unnoticed by other people. In that small village, your behavior has long term consequences.

    My conclusion: Whatever real estate bargaining skills Trump may have previously learned, these are actually badly unsuited tools for a successful long-term international policy.

    • Replies: @Iris
  465. Rurik says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Hope I’ve not caught you in an angry mood,

    The stuff with L.K. goes back a long time, Mike. It just blew its spout last night.

    I’ve had an ongoing dispute with some people over migrations into Sweden and Germany and England and N. America, etc.. with a huge difference in point of view. Even to the point where an article was written over my stubbornness to agree that there were no rapes or assaults in Germany by migrants, (Muslim or otherwise) of any consequence. And anyone who’s concerned about just a few minor incidents, needs to get over themselves.

    It’s because of those perspectives, and the people who harbor them, that I’ve sometimes been outspoken over the rights of Germans and Brits, (and yes, even those most privileged people of all, the working class white American) to have as much right to self-determination, as anyone else.

    [MORE]

    But I’m told that ‘no’, they have too much guilt to be allowed to persevere – as Swedes in Sweden (for instance), and so they must be replaced, and that yea, sure.. so a few women and girls are going to be disrespected or assaulted or even occasionally raped and brutalized and left to die, busted up on some rocks somewhere in Sweden, but that such things are rare, and a price that’s worth paying for the joys of diversity and the racial comeuppance that all white nations must be subjected to. Call it Tikkun olam.

    And then when I suggest otherwise, there’s been L.K., always reliably allied against me. So there’s something going on with that guy that really, really hates Western people’s desire for self-determination, even when they’re the most inoffensive people (Swedes!) on the planet. He condemns Jewish supremacy against the Palestinians, but loves it (seemingly) when whitey is getting colonized.

    And so my (regrettable) outburst was simply the teapot whistle letting off years of steam – at intractable anti-white, genocidal hatred. – Which is something I’ve been opposed to for a long time.

    but you can see that many Palestinians, and others, can blame Americans for that yellow map you show,

    Well Mike, if you were to do a demographic map of Miami Dade county, going from the late seventies, to today, you’d see that whitey has been as effectively ethnically cleansed from his former communities as the Palestinians have been from theirs. Now I agree, the method used was infinitely less harsh, on the white folks of Dade county. But the effects are the same. A certain demographic of people are declared personae non gratae by the ((PTB)), and so their replacements are shoehorned in, until the people living there don’t recognize the place anymore, and can feel the palpable hostility everywhere they go, so they pick up and move on. Or, most pitiably, they don’t, because they can’t, because unlike the lucky ones who got out, they don’t have the wherewithal to move. So they’re stuck there, like tiny islands of whitey in a sea of Spanish speaking peoples. Alienated, resented, and ultimately spiteful for what was done to them.

    Now, you could say ‘they deserve it!’, because they have white skin, and are therefor the evil oppressor!!, no matter how impoverished or actually underprivileged they personally might be. ‘That doesn’t matter! Look what they’re doing to the Palestinians!!

    And the reason why is because the people pointing the finger at whitey are too vapid and intellectually lazy to think, and come to the conclusion, that – what our government does, is not the fault of the least powerful, most despised and shat upon segment of society. The working class whites. They’d rather give in to the kneejerk idiocy of a cartoon-like narrative that puts all white people into the same category, whether it’s John McCain, or some poor schlep without a pot to piss in, moving out of his hovel, to make room for his replacements. ‘They both have white skin!, they both did it!! And I just find that tiresome and like I said, intellectually lazy. They’re like the tiny fraction of white people out there who hate all blacks, simply for being black. It’s a cartoon-like way of not to have to think. Like those fake wrestling fans who always need a ‘bad’ guy and a ‘good’ guy to root for.

    many victims of US policies abroad may indeed have no good will towards Americans

    In so far as ‘Americans’ support those policies, I can understand why. Are the Americans informed, or are they lied to from virtually every single source of information in the iron dome of their access to information?

    What about others? What about the French, who sat by as French Mirage jets bombed Libya?

    What about England, who’s reliably behind the ZUSA in every criminal adventure, even inventing their own insidious lies about people being poisoned by Putin and other sinister lies. Are the people of England also guilty, or is it only middle and working class American white men who are guilty for ALL of these things, eh? You see the kneejerk paradigm?

    Americans always vote for peace, and are always rewarded with war. And yet rather than blame the scumfuck politicians, it’s simply easier to blame whitey, because maybe they harbor a resentment for whitey for reasons unrelated to what the government does, but it’s a convenient way for them to express the bubbling rancor in their hearts for a demographic they despise for things these people have no control over.

    I wouldn’t blame people today for the past but when they still do the same don’t they deserve the blame?

    Yes, if they’re doing it. If white Americans were still enslaving blacks, then as a black, I’d be understandably resentful, and would want to kill as many as I could. If they were still genociding the Indians, ditto.

    But what our government has been doing since 9/11, (or even going back to WWI) has exactly nothing to do with the character of your typical white American male, except that he’s the most lied to person of all. I think of those dog-faces of WWI, who were ordered by Pershing to advance on German machine gun defenses, absorbing bullets for Zion. And then when they returned, were betrayed by the government over their war bonus, and when they complained, the government sent the troops to go to war on these impoverished veterans.

    So the dude was pulled off the farm, and suited up to enter the slaughterfest for the greater glory of Zion, and he lost an eye and a leg. So when he gets back, he’s told to fuck off and make due on his own, by the government that lied him into the war, and then he stumbles upon a SJW, because his crutches got in the way of the poorhouse door, and is excoriated with great indignation for what ‘he’ did to Germany. Or to the blacks, or to the Indians, blah, blah. And I just wonder what goes thought the soul of such a man. Powerless, impoverished, crippled, hungry and hated, all for doing what he was always told was the ‘right thing’.

    You could say the same thing about a father in Rotherham, being arrested for complaining that his daughter is being gang raped. ‘You should have thought of that before you colonized Pakistan!

    Or a Canadian, arrested for telling the truth about WWII. ‘You should have thought of that before you gassed six million Jews!!

    It seems there is no depraved depth of hatred and enmity against the least powerful, and most despised demographic in the dying Western world, that isn’t putrefying in the souls of some hatred-consumed people somewhere.

    who should we blame for the sins of the governments: the visible rulers, the hidden ones (Jews, Masons, Illuminati, bankers), or the common people? I still feel it’s up to the people the kind of government they have, and not just in democracies where they can vote but even under the most severe dictatorships

    This is already waayyy too long, so I’m just going to say we’ll have to agree to disagree on that, Mike.

    Cheers.

  466. RobinG says:
    @Harold Smith

    Indeed.

    Everything Tulsi Gabbard Said During the First Democratic Debate | NBC New York

  467. Iris says:
    @Parisian Guy

    My conclusion: Whatever real estate bargaining skills Trump may have previously learned, these are actually badly unsuited tools for a successful long-term international policy

    President Trump’s seemingly erratic navigation in the waters of international politics is only the reflection of the irreconcilable dichotomy in the aspirations of the two main constituencies he must satisfy at home:

    – the Deep State-controlling NeoCons, who want more wars abroad and have the power to bring him down or impeach him.
    – the ordinary Americans, who voted for him knowing his dialogue agenda with Russia, but cannot further support his peace effort because American democracy is broken.

    Don’t blame the man (President Trump) for the failure of institutions (judiciary, representative, executive, military) that have been broken for decades.

  468. @geokat62

    No Mysterious History here, only real-life datas.

    The vector of Bubonic plague is flea.
    Whose vector is rat
    Whose long distance vector was the sailing ships

    No sailing ships were going on Poland’s muddy roads.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Sparkon
  469. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    It was Fran who needed an explanation, in case you’ve forgotten.

    Two “birds” with one stone.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  470. Rurik says:

    Thank you moderators for the More button.

    I was sort of hoping you’d use that.

    And thank you for your forbearance for my regrettable lack of decorum.

    I’ve abused your ‘free speech’ leniency – that makes this place an otherwise oasis of veracity, in a sea of mendacity. My apologies. (Also, if you’d like to delete some of the ‘potty talk’ I’ve used on this thread, you have my full encouragement).

    Humbly ~ Rurik

  471. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    Yes they in fact are. I’ve seen it right before my eyes.

    Listen, you mutt, you are NOT being ethnically cleansed, period. That you make these cringe-worthy statements and comparisons just indicate what a degenerate you really are.

    I wish I had magical powers so I could transform your ass into a Palestinian and place you in Gaza or the West Bank… in a few weeks you’d change your mind. You are some middle class US american comparing the situation of white Americans to that of the Palestinian people!

    [MORE]

    Get a sense of proportion already, scumbag.

    But you don’t L.K, because your rotten soul is full to the brim with anti-white American racial hatred.

    Off your meds again, eh? I wonder, do mentally deranged race obsessed mutts like you know that they are nuts?!
    Clearly you need stronger medication.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  472. L.K says:
    @Iris

    Iris is disingenuous and dishonest. Fixed that for you.

    You equate everyday people in the US and UK, who sincerely believe in fear-mongering war propaganda they were submitted to all of their lifetime, to the Zionist masterminds who knowingly, cynically, and methodically organise and broadcast this mendacious propaganda.

    I did no such “equating”, you, as the mendacious creep you are, misrepresent my position. And where the hell did I even mention the UK?
    I do think that the everyday people in the ZUS do share some responsibility for US imperialism yes, which is NOT the same as equating them with the decision makers and propagandists.

    To criticise the American people for poorly using their free will, you first need to prove that they are fairly informed: please do show us a US media, one, just one, where information about 9/11 is uncensored.

    That’s a way to look at it, but I don’t agree with it, not fully. My position is basically that of Dr. Roberts.
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/06/24/be-wary-of-undue-optimism/

    Caitlin Johnstone, one of my favorite commentators whose columns I often repost, apparently has felt some pressure from some readers for a bit of optimism. She found it in the “underlying goodness” of Americans who must be deceived into war. …

    As Caitlin puts it, “We must be vigilant in directing our anger at the manipulators and not the manipulated. It’s always the conman’s fault, never the victim.”
    Thus does she absolve Americans for any responsibility for the massive crimes their country has committed against other peoples.

    This will go down well with most Americans as long as it only applies to the US. …

    It is always more comfortable to blame others than ourselves. Before writing this column, Caitlin might have benefitted from recalling the old adage: “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

    What Caitlin overlooks is that there is something desperately wrong with Americans that they can be consistently fooled again, and again, and again, and yet again, and never catch on. Their gullibility is especially difficult to comprehend in face of the 21st century’s concentrated dose of deceptions …

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Iris
    , @Parisian Guy
    , @Iris
  473. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    Although I do regret what I wrote insofar as it was inappropriate for such a venue to use such language,

    I do not regret for one second saying exactly what I said to you, L.K.

    I meant every word. And then some.

    Also, I never implied that what is being done to the Palestinian people was in any way comparable to what is being done to the white, Western world, except that in both cases, it amounts to ethnic cleansing, with the ultimate goal obviously being genocide.

    Any suggestion that I was equating the two programs of ethnic cleansing, in terms of cruelty and daily horrors, is just more lies, as we’ve come to expect from certain people.

    In the case of Palestine, (and Libya and Syria and Iraq, etc..) it is horrific and literally incomprehensible.

    But Elin Krantz is just as dead as a Palestinian protester. And both of their lives are of equal merit, IMHO.

    Notwithstanding those who’re critical of the colonization of Palestine, but who’re giddy over the colonization of the West.

    If people had principles, they’d see that ALL people are entitled to self-determination. Or none are.

    Got it?

  474. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    I do think that the everyday people in the ZUS do share some responsibility

    Americans that they can be consistently fooled again, and again, and again, and yet again, and never catch on.

    Americans (including white Americans) voted for an overtly black racist, socialist and corrupt Chicago Muslim named Barack Hussein Obama, because he was the only anti-war candidate.

    The Nobel Peace Prize winner.

    Every time Americans vote for peace, and every time they’re betrayed by crypto-Zionist war pigs.

    Even now, it is Tulsi Gabbard that is skyrocketing in the polls, because she offers Americans the only shred of hope for peace.

    If she’s elected, and betrays the American people as usual, I’m sure we can count on L.K. to use his well-honed vitriol to demand open borders as proper punishment because –

    these guys!

    need to be taught a lesson!

    Tulsi Gabbard: Neocons, Netanyahu Have Made It Difficult For Trump To Avoid War With Iran

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/06/28/tulsi_gabbard_neocons_netanyahu_have_made_it_difficult_for_trump_to_avoid_war_with_iran.html

    No!! Hisses L.K.

    It’s not the neocons and their fellow tribals who own the media and control the banks and federal government and state governments and all institutions of consequence in the ZUSA, no!

    It’s the white American schlep on the street! Who voted for Obama and voted for Trump to end the wars. He’s the one to blame!!

    Huh, L.K?

    I used improper language to say it, but I stand by every word I said about you. Every word.

  475. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    And then when I suggest otherwise, there’s been L.K., always reliably allied against me. So there’s something going on with that guy that really, really hates Western people’s desire for self-determination, even when they’re the most inoffensive people (Swedes!) on the planet. He condemns Jewish supremacy against the Palestinians, but loves it (seemingly) when whitey is getting colonized.

    More grotesque LIES from a sad little liar, you are just simply making things up now. Well, in fact you have done it before on several occasions.

    For the record, since there is no point talking to ‘rurik’:

    – I’m “white”, half German, half Italian, proud of my heritage, and ‘rurik’ already knows this. This clown needs to explain why i have spent so much time defending Germany from all the war propaganda( both world wars) heaped upon it, if I were anti “white”.

    – Europe is the European homeland and I would like to see it REMAIN European.

    – I don’t believe in open border policies or multiculturalism, but I don’t approve of telling LIES about immigrants, discussion and debate on immigration need to be framed honestly. This includes the CAUSES for immigration.

    Enough said.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rurik
  476. @Rurik

    What about the French, who sat by as French Mirage jets bombed Libya?

    By my X-ray vision, I clearly see in your brain that you want to criticize both Myself and the Glorious France. My Duty is to not let this happen!
    So, here is my irresistible and all-powerful counter-attack against your vile defamation:

    Almost every French I know still do not have understood that they had been lied from the start.
    First Kadhafy had a bad image in french opinion since the beginning of his ruling history; As a dictator, and as the perpetrator of the Pan Am Flight 103/Lockerbie bombing.
    Second, all French TV pushed the exactly same narrative than for Syria: there was a bloodthirsty dictator who had planned to genocide its own people instead of hearing the complaint of the Arab Spring protesters.
    Unfortunately, there was one TV speech of a Kaddaffi son which validated the narrative. He was promising to spend rivers of blood. This convinced everybody. Of course it was a tricky cut of the true TV sequence. The Kaddaffy son was actually saying to Lybians “please, for the sake of Lybia, stop the armed attacks on the State, don’t go along the AlQuaeda warriors; You are pushing Lybia into civil war, and you have to be sure that rivers of blood will flow.”

    In France, the plot against Kaddafi had been schemed a long time before.
    My personnal guess of what happened behind the curtains is that Sarkozy was quite reluctant, because of Kaddafi having kept proofs of some campaign donations which he had given to Sarkozy. Thus Sarkozy was not trusted by the designers of the plot. That’s why Roland Dumas and Alain Juppé – both former Foreign Affair Ministers – were proponed to take back their tenures. Dumas declined the offer (perhaps for the same problem than Sarkozy), and Juppé accepted.
    Here are the checked facts which nurture my guess:
    – there are many clues about Sarkozy having received donations from Kaddafi
    – Dumas has publicly said he had been offered to participate to the scheme.
    – the return of Juppé to government tenure was absolutely unexpected. He had been excluded from it like a pariah since around ten years ago, after he got convicted for some public fund mismanagement.

    The plotters of the scheme are the usual suspects. Unfortunately for his fate, there were additional reasons for annihilating Kaddafi:
    – he was living proof that an African country could develop on its own, without bowing to Western domination. According to the UN, Libya had the best Human Development Index (HDI) in all of Africa.
    – He had big plans for African countries. 1) He gave real money for real development projects. 2) In addition – Horrific of the Horrifics – he was about to launch a new gold-pegged currency that would be used as a common currency in Africa, instead of the CFA (euro substitute) or £ and $. 3) For the same reason, he blocked the departure of African blacks from Libya to Europe.
    – And moreover – Deadliest Sin – he welcomed Chinese companies without constraint; You may have missed it, but just before the bombing of Libya, the Chinese government asked the West for a delay and a safe route for Chinese workers returning home. The number of these workers was tens of thousands.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @RobinG
    , @Iris
    , @Rurik
  477. @geokat62

    Hi geo!

    During the present Rurik-L.K War and RobinG-Fran Taubman Concord, (💤ugh), I want to look back into my childhood past when Looney Toons were the thinkin’ man’s rage.

    So linked below & fyr, geo, is a 1942 episode called “The Ducktators.” I suggest that the Looney Toon’s most salient point for today is that swastika banners, jackboots, & “heils” are replaced by a combo ZUS/Star of David flag, rugged IDF marching sandals,😏 and mandatory “Amen Corner” hosannas.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  478. L.K says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Well you could more politely say they are being replaced, intentionally and deliberately. It’s been official UN policy (even if their report title guardedly ends with a “?”)

    Yes, under the argument that something needs to be done re “population decline and population ageing”, which in Europe at least is real( I don’t know the situation in the US ).

    I don’t agree with the “solution” proposed by this UN report.
    Even from an economic viewpoint, in the case of Europe at least, it does not make sense, since there are plenty of unemployed Europeans, particularly young people, and most of the immigrants coming into Europe have few qualifications, on avg.

    Still, this is not what I would call ethnic cleansing. Immigrants move into a country to live alongside the locals, ethnic cleansers violently take other peoples lands, homes, resources, often committing massacres, and push the locals or indigenous people out.

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Rurik
  479. Iris says:
    @L.K

    Insults, ad hominem and “copy and paste” arguments borrowed from others: I am dazzled, the encounter with your intellectual power is a cognitive revelation.

    And what about free will and the American people’s freedom to be informed of the facts, perpetrators, causes and consequences of 9/11, L.K?
    Did you find one media yet, even a fringe one, only one, who allows uncensored information on this tragic and fundamental cornerstone of US foreign policy?

    • Agree: Robjil
  480. @L.K

    there is something desperately wrong with Americans that they can be consistently fooled again, and again,

    Anyone can be fooled again, and again, if he can never see everything that really happened.

    The lie narrative has never been replaced by the truth, but by another lie narrative that exonerates the most from the system. Therefore, it can fool again, and again.

    Watch how the NYTimes apologized for the failure of its weapons of mass destruction. “Powell, Rumsfeld and Cheney lied, and the media were not professional enough, we learned a lot from this experience and we are more than ever committed to doing our best, and you can always trust us. By the way, dear and lovable readers, do not forget to renew your subscription ”

    Here are my two € cents: what about the assumption that Americans believe that when someone has publicly expressed his contrition, his deeds must be erased from memory?

  481. geokat62 says:
    @Parisian Guy

    – And moreover – Deadliest Sin – he welcomed Chinese companies without constraint;

    No, Gaddafi’s deadliest sin was that he managed to get his country on The Lobby’s hit list. Along with Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt, Libya appears in AIPAC’s 2001 Guidebook. It provides the real explanation for “pushing for the military intervention in Libya.”

    Excerpt from, AIPAC’s Regional Threats Proliferation, Terrorism and Extremism:

    Libya

    Libya has used much of its growing oil wealth to accelerate its ballistic missile program and negotiate new arms contracts with Russian and European suppliers. Foreign experts from a range of countries — including Iran — have been assisting its ballistic missile programs. Col. Qaddaffi’s current arsenal of Scud missiles is outdated and its homegrown “Al-Fatah” missile program was slowed by international sanctions. The end of Libyan sanctions, however, is likely to reinvigorate Tripoli’s quest for a means to threaten the region.

    Western intelligence assessments indicate that Tripoli is seeking to acquire technology related to the North Korean Nodong missile program, and may purchase the Iranian Shahab-3 intermediate-range missile. This would give Libya the ability to strike Israel directly for the first time, as well as place a wide arc of southern Europe in danger. In 2000, North Korean missile components were intercepted en route to Tripoli, a discovery that confirmed suspicions about Libyan activities. Additionally, Libya is seeking a wide range of spare parts for its aging Soviet-supplied arsenal, as well as state-of-the-art Russian air defense missile systems.

    If left unchecked, Libyan leader Qaddafi will be able to target southern NATO allies and Israel with poison gas or germ-tipped rockets, or provide such weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups. Libya possesses the region’s largest chemical weapons production facility. Additionally, Libya is thought to have cooperated with Iraq to manufacture biological weapons. These weapons, when combined with Libya’s growing ballistic missile capability, create the potential for serious threats, especially given Quaddafi’s erratic nature.

    Libya is a state sponsor of terrorist organizations. The January 2001 verdict finding a Libyan intelligence agent guilty of the bombing of Pan Am 103 in 1988, confirmed what has been widely-known for decades: The government of Libya and its intelligence agencies have directly supported and carried out deadly terrorist attacks throughout the world, particularly targeted at Americans. As a result, Libya remains on the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism and the United States maintains tough economic sanctions.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Parisian Guy
  482. RobinG says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Almost every French I know still do not have understood that they had been lied from the start.

    ” Glorious France” …. LOL.

  483. Iris says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The plotters of the scheme are the usual suspects.

    Why not name them? That will enlighten some American commenters about the “sovereignty” of European people and governments.

    The destruction of Lybia was planned and initiated by the Zionist Pro-Consul of France, Bernard-Henry Levy (BHL) , who organised a secret kick off meeting with a few future “revolutionaries” in Paris in November 2010, many weeks before the so-called “revolution” actually started in Benghazi.

    BHL publicly bragged that he took France (and NATO) to war without prior Sarkozy approval.
    I am sure he got Netanyahu’s approval, that’s a relief.

    https://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/did-bernard-henri-lvy-take-nato-to-war

    • Agree: RobinG, Rurik
    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  484. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    He he he …. Frenchie and the Greek, a pissing contest.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  485. @Rurik

    Of course all other Westerners get the blame, and maybe even all whites in general, but Americans are seen as leaders of the pack when it comes to military interventionism in the Arab and Muslim world.

    I get annoyed too when discussing immigration with other whites in real life but it is just because they really are ignorant about other cultures although they pretend they’re tolerant. If you see how females dress in Europe and US now in the summertime, you have to be a real idiot or a most evil bastard to want to bring a whole bunch of people who grew up in Afghanistan or some other Muslim or African country. Total lunacy. It’s just like letting foxes loose among the chickens. And that they’ll adapt and change their ways? Well in the UK those immigrants seem to have been carrying on with their grooming, raping, noncing, and pimping for the last 40 years. Sweden, Finland and some others are only new to this and things will just get worse for them. I can maybe understand someone saying Britain and France deserve it because of their history in their colonies, and there is reason for why some of their ex colonials should be in their countries and perhaps paying them back, but those Scandinavians and most other Europeans didn’t have colonies and never exploited Third Worlders so why should they deserve any of this, let alone central and East Europeans on whom the EU wants to dump some of these migrants?

  486. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    – Europe is the European homeland and I would like to see it REMAIN European.

    Ahh. So even as France bombed Libya into the stone age, prompting a massive refugee catastrophe into places like Germany, somehow in L.K.’s myopic, fevered brain…

    This includes the CAUSES for immigration.

    Americans did it!!

    Americans! made Mexico and Honduras and El Salvador and Guatemala poor and corrupt!

    And they must be made to pay!

    if I were anti “white”.

    you’re anti-white American. To a pathological, myopic, grotesque ugliness.

    I hope you enjoy stewing in your bile.

  487. Rurik says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Almost every French I know still do not have understood that they had been lied from the start.

    and the same goes exactly for Americans as well.

    Second, all French TV pushed the exactly same narrative than for Syria:

    the people in control of France’s media are the exact same people in control of Americas media, and England’s media, and Germany’s media, and Australia’s media, and Canda’s media, etc.. ad nauseam.

    and their governments and universities and most other things of consequence.

    Look at this video of two nations on the opposite sides of the planet deciding to go to war with remarkably identical rhetoric. Coincidence?

    We all get the same devil’s lies from the ((Western media)).

    he was about to launch a new gold-pegged currency that would be used as a common currency in Africa,

    Bingo!

    But he was slated for removal even sans that. “Seven nations if five years”

    My point is that it isn’t the average Frenchman on the streets, any more than it’s the average American on the streets, (certain rabid dog’s lies notwithstanding ‘ )

    (I know French people, and am very enamored of one in particular).

    • Agree: Parisian Guy
  488. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    I see you have a fan club, LK

    • Agree: Fran Taubman

    LOL

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  489. L.K says:
    @Rurik

    To my comment that the immigration from Mexico and Central America is largely the result from various US policies in Latin America, the lying troll “rurik” replies:

    that is a rotten and idiotic lie.

    You really have no shame at all. American imperialism began in the Americas and in Latin America it goes back to the 19th century and continues to this day. BTW, US imperialism does not mean only military invasions, proxy wars or sanctions warfare. In parallel to those more explicit forms, much is conducted in less evident ways.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, a conservative white American, clearly NOT an enemy of the US ‘white male’, yet capable of being HONEST, something numbnuts ‘Rurik’ clearly isn’t, states re US policies towards Latin America in general:
    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/04/17/the-triumph-of-evil-2/

    ..Washington has a long record of refusing to accept any reformist governments in Latin America. Reformers get in the way of North America’s exploitation of Latin American countries and are overthrown.

    With the exceptions of Venezuela, Bolivia, Cuba, and Nicaragua, Latin America consists of Washington’s vassal states. In recent years Washington destroyed reform governments in Honduras, Argentina and Brazil and put gangsters in charge.

    According to US national security adviser John Bolton, a neoconservative war monger, the governments in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua will soon be overthrown. New sanctions have now been placed on the three countries. ….

    Prof. James Petras writes:

    US colonization of Latin America was based on direct US military, economic, cultural and political interventions with special emphasis on Central America, North America (Mexico) and the Caribbean. Washington resorted to military invasions, to impose favorite trade and investment advantages and appointed and trained local military forces to uphold colonial rule and to ensure submission to US regional and global supremacy.

    http://www.unz.com/jpetras/the-recolonization-of-latin-america-and-the-war-on-venezuela/

    Anyone interested should also read Ellen Brown’s excellent book Web of Debt, chapter 22( The Tequila Trap: The real story behind the illegal alien invasion).

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Rurik
    , @RobinG
    , @Robjil
  490. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG

    He he he …. Frenchie and the Greek, a pissing contest.

    Comment #490:

    Iris – BHL publicly bragged that he took France (and NATO) to war without prior Sarkozy approval.
    I am sure he got Netanyahu’s approval, that’s a relief.

    RobinG – Agree

  491. @geokat62

    Nothing new or interesting in your answer. It was a useless post, like most of what comes from one-topic minds.

    Before my sentence that you quoted, I said “The plotters of the scheme are the usual suspects.” Everyone here understands that Israel is one of these “usual suspects” I mentioned. It was not necessary to repeat and expand what everyone knows.

    In addition, you can try to find out more accurately what a “cause” is. To say that Israel is “the real cause” is not a substantiated analysis, but a quick and dirty work of your partisan logic.
    You just neglect that:
    – Israel had been after Libya for decades without much effect.
    – The demise of Libya took place only when several other powerful factors intervened in the game; These factors have their own goals, they do not need Zionist goals to start producing their effects. Is Venezuela in the AIPAC list? Was Russia during the 1990-2000 period on the AIPAC list?

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @geokat62
  492. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    I want to look back into my childhood past when Looney Toons were the thinkin’ man’s rage.

    Hey, Chuck.

    I, too, recall with fondness viewing these cartoons as a child. Even though it was shown in the credits, I had little understanding, however, what it meant that Leon Schlesinger produced these animations for Warner Brothers Studios.

    My sense is they most likely consulted with propaganda genius Edward Bernays to ensure the sublimely messaging would get through to the dumb goy viewership. Now, before someone jumps on me for proof of this, I readily admit that this is pure speculation on my part.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  493. Iris says:
    @L.K

    immigration from Mexico and Central America is largely the result from various US policies in Latin America

    As usual in your comments, you forgot the elephant in the room of the “evil imperialist” USA.

    27 June 2019: President Nicola Maduro of Venezuala has just survived a coup plot to assassinate him and his wife, involving the US, Colombia and Chile, and carried out by an “Israeli group”.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/27/maduro-claims-have-foiled-fascist-coup-plot-assassinate-wife/

    • Troll: L.K
  494. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    To my comment that the immigration from Mexico and Central America is largely the result from various US policies in Latin America, the lying troll “rurik” replies:

    that is a rotten and idiotic lie.

    that’s because it is.

    I’ve been to South America on several occasions. Even Cuba, where I explored the entire island.

    The problems with those countries are mainly a direct consequence of the absolute corruption of their respective governments. That, and the blind, mindless breeding of people who can’t feed even themselves. What they need is birth control.

    The reason they’re immigrating into America, is because they’d be fools not to. Their nations are poor and corrupt. A tiny handful of elites own everything, and they’re desperately tying to do the same thing here. There are gangs and violence and cartels and assorted problems everywhere.

    Did the US government and corporations contribute to the mess? Of course they did, as they do everywhere. Are middle and working class, every day Americans, struggling to get by, the one’s who’re responsible for all of that? Only an asshole would even suggest such an idiotic thing.

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, …

    ..Washington has a long record

    What does he say there LK?

    Does he say auto workers and fast food employees and retail and service sector Americans have a long record….

    I don’t think that’s what he said, LK.

    As for what Washington has done and continues to do, that festering septic tank of treason, perfidy, corruption and war criminals are the biggest enemies of the American people that there are. Duh!

    Blaming the American people for what the treasonous scum in Washington are doing, is like blaming Pat Tillman for the war on Afghanistan.

    IOW, sheer, blind, hate-motivated idiocy.

    Only a fool or an asshole would blame the average American for the crimes of its government. Just as our Parisian guy points out about the French, the Americans are also lied to 24/7. Most are far too busy trying to get by, than have the time like I do to seek out the scumbag behind the curtain.

    And even when I try to tell them, they can’t believe it. Are they brainwashed? Yes. Are they evil. Of course not, unless you’re projecting something in your own soul, onto them.

  495. RobinG says:
    @L.K

    And don’t forget Perkins, “Confessions of an Economic Hitman.”

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Rurik
  496. Iris says:
    @Parisian Guy

    – Israel had been after Libya for decades without much effect.
    – The demise of Libya took place only when several other powerful factors intervened in the game; These factors have their own goals, they do not need Zionist goals to start producing their effects.

    Actually, the precipitated demise of Libya’s Gaddafi took place as an unintended consequence of Egypt’s President Mubarak refusing to follow Israel’s blueprint, although he was quite aligned with the ZUSA at the time.

    Mubarak was asked to host and train Sunni Wahabi brigades on Egyptian soil, to be used as proxy armies against Syria and Iran. He feared the consequences and refused, which triggered the Egyptian “Arab Spring” and his destitution.

    As an alternative, Libya was used as a real-life training ground for the extremists, of which many were later transferred by to wreck havoc in Syria.

    This version of event was recounted by well-informed Arab analysts, including Libya’s government spokesperson at the time Moussa Ibrahim.

    Who has the strategic objective of destroying the Syrian state? Who is most active in annihilating Syria today? Syria is regularly and consistently bombed by Israel, not by the US forces.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Parisian Guy
  497. Robjil says:
    @L.K

    Israel has been doing a lot of the dirty work for regime change in Latin America for decades. The worst governments possible are supported.

    https://savageminds.org/2016/03/18/israels-foreign-policy-in-latin-america-another-reason-to-take-the-call-to-boycott-seriously/

    1970s/1980s in Guatemala

    “In the 1970s and ‘80s, Israel’s policy of arming the Guatemalan military and providing sophisticated telecommunications and computer technologies was part of an overall strategy that targeted that country’s indigenous populations as inherently subversive. Israel’s military programs in Guatemala supported the uprooting of tens of thousands of indigenous individuals and their resettlement in garrison outposts where intensive daily surveillance constituted a central element of government policy, all under the rubric of counter-insurgency. Benjamin Beit-Hallami’s 1987 book, The Israeli Connection: Who Israel Arms and Why, is an informative source for the Israeli-Guatemala relationship.”

    1980s in Nicaragua

    “As an ethnographer of social change in Nicaragua during the 1980s, it was Israeli support for the Contra insurgency that first led me to read widely and critically about the question of Palestine. I came to see important resonances between Israeli foreign policy in Latin America, on the one hand, and the systematic dispossession of Palestinians from their lands and other resources, including the implementation of apartheid-like policies in the lands controlled by Israel, on the other.”

    Israel took arms from Palestinians and gave them to the Contras in Nicaragua.

    “That involvement was symbolized by Minister of Defense Ariel Sharon’s high profile visit to Honduras in 1982, and the promises he made while touring the Contra camps on the Honduran-Nicaraguan frontier. The Israelis later sent weaponry seized from the PLO during the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon directly to the Contra camps, as Jack Colhoun’s 1987 article “Israel and the Contras,” (Race and Class: Class 28(3): 61-66) reported.”

    Argentina in 1970s/1980s

    “Israel sustained an intimate relationship with the military junta that ruled Argentina from 1976–1983, and provided logistical and hardware support for Argentina during the Falklands War of 1982. The Argentine junta was ideologically anti-Semitic, and routinely brandished Nazi and other fascist symbols .”

    21st century Colombia

    “In the 21st century, Colombia under Uribe profoundly militarized the countryside. The operations of the national army and police were accompanied by the activities of privatized para-military forces operating in much of the country as a para-state, with Uribe’s tacit approval.. Uribe’s politics connected with Israel’s own security ideology, its own mix of state and privatized military and state functions in the Occupied Territories. Colombia’s refusal to recognize the State of Palestine took place as the ongoing dispossession of Palestinian land and disenfranchisement of Palestinian populations accelerated.”

    Israel played a large part in the 2009 coup in Honduras. We are only “allowed” to talk about the US doing bad things in Latin America. Little Israel was supposed to be a homeland for victimized Jews. Why is Israel traveling all over the world victimizing people? These victimized people, in large part Israel’s fault, flee to the US.

    https://www.opdeepstate.com/2018/10/21/honduras-and-the-israeli-coup-a-new-special-relationship-immigration/ victimized people, in large part Israel’s fault, flee to the US.

    “One topic we touched on was a comment the left-leaning Zelaya had made concerning “Israeli mercenaries” operating in Honduras. This had unleashed a predictable hullabaloo in international media, with commentators tripping over each other to portray the besieged leader as an anti-Semite extraordinaire on some sort of permanent acid trip.

    In my write-up of the interview, which was published in an insignificant publication, I happened to point out that Israeli mercenaries weren’t exactly foreign to the Central American landscape. When the piece came out, the publisher of another insignificant publication—to which I had contributed some anti-coup articles—threw a fit. How dare I bring the Israelis into it; I would alienate all of Washington!”

    Honduras is run by five Jewish families. It is like a second Israel.

    https://dagobertobellucci.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/the-jewish-families-that-run-honduras/

    “Even if everybody calls them ‘Turks’ they are actually families of Jewish origin coming from Arab countries in the 40s and 50s, away from the desert and the wars. They are the Rosenthals, the Facussé, the Larachs, the Nassers, the Kafies and the Goldsteins. Five surnames controlling the manufacturing industries, energy utilities, telecommunications, tourism, banks, finance, concrete makers and commerce, airports or the congress. Practically everything.
    They are the kernel of that 3% of Hondurans controlling 40% of the GNP. They are the aristocrats in a country where 70% of the population are poor.”

  498. geokat62 says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Nothing new or interesting in your answer. It was a useless post, like most of what comes from one-topic minds.

    Pardonne-moi, Monsieur Parisian Guy. I was about to say the same thing about your post, and although I thought the better of replying, I changed my mind.

    Before my sentence that you quoted, I said “The plotters of the scheme are the usual suspects.”

    Yes, that’s true and I agreed with that statement. But then you went on to suggest that Gaddafi’s “Deadliest Sin” was that “he welcomed Chinese companies without constraint.” This is what I disagreed with. Rather than welcoming Chinese companies without constraint, his deadliest sin, in my opinion, was to become an enemy of the Jewish state by actively supporting the Palestinian cause and the big no-no… to even resort to the use of terrorism.

    Now, to backup my claim I produced a quote from AIPAC’s 2001 Guidebook, Regional Threats Proliferation, Terrorism and Extremism.

    It was not necessary to repeat and expand what everyone knows.

    How many people have read this guidebook or were aware of its existence? Given how difficult it was to get my hands on it, I’m willing to wager very few. Tell you what, why don’t you try obtaining a copy and posting it here on Unz for all of us to see? Bon chance!

    In addition, you can try to find out more accurately what a “cause” is. To say that Israel is “the real cause” is not a substantiated analysis, but a quick and dirty work of your partisan logic.

    There it is again. People questioning my logic. Look, the causes for placing Libya on AIPAC’s hit list was spelled out by AIPAC in their report. But unfortunately for you, welcoming Chinese companies without constraint didn’t make their list of causes. dommage!

    You just neglect that:
    – Israel had been after Libya for decades without much effect.
    – The demise of Libya took place only when several other powerful factors intervened in the game;

    Listen, I didn’t neglect these things. AIPAC were the ones who didn’t bother mentioning them in their report.

    Is Venezuela in the AIPAC list? Was Russia during the 1990-2000 period on the AIPAC list?

    I tried locating subsequent Guidebooks, but for some strange reason AIPAC is a little less forthcoming when it comes to producing reports that announce who is on their hit list. Besides the number of countries appearing on this list is shrinking with each and every passing year.

    It was nice chatting with you, Monsieur Parisian Guy. I wish you and your Glorious France nothing but the best. Vive la France and aurevoir!

    P.S. who says most Canadians aren’t bilingual?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  499. Iris says:
    @Robjil

    Insightful and very researched comment, Robjil. Thank you.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  500. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    typo: sublimely = subliminal

    • Agree: geokat62
  501. geokat62 says:
    @Iris

    Meant to hit Agree button to your comment, but ended up doing it to my own, lol.

    • Replies: @Iris
  502. RobinG says:
    @Iris

    Mubarak was asked to host and train Sunni Wahabi brigades on Egyptian soil, to be used as proxy armies against Syria and Iran. He feared the consequences and refused, which triggered the Egyptian “Arab Spring” and his destitution.

    Interesting. Do you have references, background for this?

    • Replies: @Iris
  503. Iris says:
    @geokat62

    Robjil’s comment is great: I understood you liked it too. Best.

  504. @Robjil

    Thanks for providing all the Information on Israeli “dirty work” troublemaking in Central America. This is one great story that is regrettably not told.

    Fyi, from 1984-1996, I tried to daily read sections of The New York Time. Each time reports of Israel’s misdeeds in South & Central America, I would cut out clips and save them. Had about 50 telling articles & after a family move, I misplaced & lost them all.

    So tonight I feel real good to learn you have much chronicled, Robjil, and I am grateful for your asking the vital question, “Why is Israel traveling all over the world victimizing people?” (Zigh) Speaking respectfully, & as you know, facts must be faced; Israel can travel & victimize, and they do so, unaccountably!

    In addition, 👍!, for your having made the following priceless-educational point which my “Homeland’s” Zionist Corporate Media aspires & succeeds at making totally unknown to the bewildered & restless ‘Merkin masses, “These victimized people, in large part Israel’s fault, flee to the US.”

    Thanks & my respect, Robjil.

    Selah, JFK’s Alliance for Progress in The American Hemisphere,🤗 and in contrast, oh fuck, during the trinitarian Reagan, GHW Bush, & Clinton Zionized-eras, selah, Honduras became a second Israel, “run by five Jewish families.”😟

    • Agree: Robjil
  505. @Iris

    Yeah BHL

    What should be known about BHL :

    1) He is not the usual brand of French Zionist. Of course, he supports Israel, and he is never afraid to say that Jewish culture is the lighthouse that leads mankind to his metaphysical progress. But he is not the loudest champion of Israel.
    2) My feeling is that his true religious creeds are those of the oligarchs. It is: my wealth first. The obvious and most important fact about BHL is that he is a billionaire. He inherited large corporate interests in French colonial Africa.
    3) This may explain that when he became famous as one of the “New Philosophers” French, his writings did not speak about Israel and Jewishness. It was a long demonstration of how communism was diabolical, totalitarian in essence, and so on. … Concurrently he has been writing for a long time against any kind of nationalism (well, he forgot one by chance). To put it another way: BHL is firstly concerned with the real enemies of the international corporations shareholders.
    4) This may also explain why he practically behaved from the beginning as an asset of NATO or the CIA. That’s why I do not believe what BHL boasts of having lead NATO to war. Since this guy moreover is a pathological narcissist who always wants to show the most heroic picture of himself(*), it is ten times more plausible that the reality had been more ordinary: he was agitating for war at the request of NATO, as usual.
    There are several reasons to believe that BHL is an asset of the CIA/NATO:
    A) He was the most forceful spokesman for the propaganda of NATO’s action in Serbia.
    B) Same about Afghanistan, both before (CIA) and after (NATO) 9/11
    C) He began by a forceful entrance in the intellectual French landscape, fighting against communism. It was at a time when communism had a powerful soft power and the CIA was trying to create an opposing cultural influence. Since French philosophy was mainly inhabited by leftist thinkers, BHL’s “philosophical” writings were a “divine gift” for the CIA’s program of cultural influence.
    D) He regularly contributes to The Atlantic, which is the voice of NATO and this faction of the American imperial class that do not care about Israel.

    (*) So many times he has been catched faking noticeable actions (amongst other fakings) that he’s a laughing stock of the french Internet.He’s now a debased currency.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  506. Iris says:
    @RobinG

    Do you have references, background for this?

    Hello Robin. The pressure put on Mubarak to train Wahhabi proxy forces to attack Syria and Iran was reported many times by Moussa Ibrahim, the Libyan government spokesperson, whose videos were taken down from YouTube after the fall of Libya. I will search my Libya archives.

    The way Mubarak was treated is indicative. After his fall, he was put to trial and exhibited in a cage while over 80 years of age. (In very stark contrast, Tunisia’s dictator Benali, who carried out a savage repression against the only genuine revolution of the so-called “Arab Spring”, resulting in 340+ deaths, was simply “disappeared” by the West. He is hiding and being protected in KSA, despite being sentenced in absentia). Best.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  507. RobinG says:
    @Iris

    Too bad it’s only a single source.

    But what is really “genuine?” Egyptians were genuinely sick of Mubarak, and there was some talk that the Tunisian street vendor (supposedly the spark) was not quite as represented. Anyway, there should be some scent of this in Egypt.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
    , @Iris
  508. Hey Philip Giraldi, what are your thoughts on Michael Scheuer’s piece about Iranian intelligence and Hezbollah’s capability in the US, Canada, Mexico, and other parts of the Western Hemisphere? He argues that they will attack us inside the US if we start a war with Iran. Since no one talks about this I would like a second opinion. I hope you see this because I really want to know your thoughts on this.
    https://www.non-intervention2.com/2019/06/06/the-main-iranian-threat-was-built-by-mexico-congress-and-u-s-business/

    • Replies: @Robjil
  509. @geokat62

    So in the end, it looks like the reason you made all that fuss is that you, like many one-topic minds, are ill-equiped when it comes to humor and irony. It makes you unable to correctly read the ironic understatement I was making when I wrote “Deadliest Sin” about the Chinese corporations involvment in Kaddafi’s Lybia.

    Now, listen to me:
    I never wrote that these Chinese corporations were the most important cause. I used the superlative form “Deadliest Sin” for the sole purpose to make an ironic caricature of the state of mind of those who first decided to attack Lybia.
    However it was very easy to see the caricature because a few lines above I had previously written the exactly same kind of superlative caricature : “Horrific of the Horrifics”. Both expressions were to convoy the idea of some emotionnaly shocked priests, bearer of a religious dogma, who needs to condemn and launch anathema to the profanator of the icon and the dogma. Kaddafi was destroying all these dogmas which supports the current hierarchy between nations. And he wanted to replace the Holy Icon – that is the currency – by its heretic icon.
    Had you not been a one-topic mind, you may have know a little about economy and politics, about the propaganda which pervades the economical and political discourse upto the point that some of the ruling class has self-intoxicated and believes the fake dogmas which justify its privilege. Kaddafi was destroying their needed beliefs and they were – and/or pretended to be – morally outraged. For them, Kaddafi was the heretical prophet which deserved extreme punishment.
    Had you not been a one-topic mind, you would not have behaved in such a Pavlovian way. You were not able to tolerate a few word which seemed to contradict your own dogma, which is that AIPAC is first cause of everything.

    The proof that your one-topic mind goes by the dogma “Jewish power rules everything” is in the circular reasoning you made from the Chinese corporations not being in the AIPAC list. According to your say, that is a proof that the Chinese corporations matter was not so material in Lybia demise. When doing such deduction, you imply the axiom that only AIPAC can decide why and if Lybia must be destroyed. And parallely, you pretend having demonstrated my wrongness, and therefore your rightness.
    To write your logic in its purest form, here it is step by step:
    #1) since the Frenchie’s assertion is based on fact which doesn’t fit my axiom, his assertion cannot be true.
    #2) therefore my theory is not contradicted, thus my axiom needs not to be questionned.
    #3) my axiom is unquestionable,
    #4) goto line #1
    #5) unquestionable conclusion of my logical demonstration

    I guess you are the kind who likes to study perpetual motion devices. I’m not, therefore I will save repeating myself about your axiom which you again implied when answering about Venezuela and Russia.

    You just neglects that:
    – Israel had been after Libya for decades without much effect.
    – The demise of Libya took place only when several other powerful factors intervened in the game;

    Listen, I didn’t neglect these things. AIPAC were the ones who did[…]

    OK, you did not neglect. It was not your fault, neither was it the fault of your logic, when you failed to attain the mandatory conclusion. Furthermore it could be the fault of AIPAC who did neglect. Fine.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Parfois1
  510. @RobinG

    There is some french speaking Tunisian media, and perhaps one English speaking. I have no doubts that the Tunisan people were really upset by Ben Ali. Futhermore is also alinated the well-off class because he pilfered them. That was genuine.
    The street vendor was perhaps a make-up. It doesn’t matter so much, because the clues that the thing had been schemed in Washington are quite enough. The turning point of this colored revolution was when the Army chief refused to pursue the repression. This so principled man was parallely a US asset who previously had no problem serving the Ben Ali dictorship.
    The French Foreign Affair Minister, Michèle Alliot-Marie was a remnant from the Jacques Chirac Presidency, therefore she was not inclined to go along the plotters. By a very mysterious chance, she got framed for some Tunisan friendship which was suddenly accused to be morally unacceptable (although lot of the top political French class had behaved the same way since a long time, without any ennoyment) Thus she had to leave her Foreign Affair tenure to Alain Juppé. By the way, this guy had just been unexpectedly called back to government a few months ago, as Defense Minister. My guess is his real job was to purge the Department of any remnant officer of the previous Jacques Chirac Presidency, who would never have come along the plot. He also was supervising the French Foreign Intelligence service (DGSE), which did a good work of (pretended?) absolute unawareness of these coming Arab Springs.
    By the way and furthermore. In 2007 president Jacques Chirac quitted the Elysée Palace. He had been the President for twelve years and in national politics since around 1969. His last official speech to the Frenchs had nothing special but for he spoke against the dangers and the misery which are consequences of warmongering. At the time nobody understood the reason of a so much off-topic discourse.
    We are more than ten years later. The Chirac speech looks today like the Eisenhower last speech, guarding against the MIC. I believe that he was refering to all this when yesterday Putin has publicly stated that Chirac was the best President France ever had. May be also it relates to why Chirac spent several days with Putin soon after quiting Elysée Palace and Presidency.

    Then my guess is that newly elected President Sarkozy firstly heard Chirac. This may explain why, very soon after his May 2007 election, he unexpectedly launched the “Union for the Meditteranean Sea” project. It was not in his campaign program and the objectives were not so clear. It was a kind of light political and economical union (think: European union) to which was covened each country bordering that sea. Thus Kaddafi, Bachar, Ben Ali and Mubarak were received with real deference in Paris, together with all other chiefs of state. Jealous Germany tried to derail the project. Very probably others did the same, covertly. Whatever the reasons the Union project went to a long shot. My understanding today is that Sarkozy had wanted to push for another scenario than the “Arab Spring” which he knew was coming. Sarkozy got a lot of criticisms for such fraying with dictators. Since nobody at the time understood what was actually going on, it had not been checked what could be the foreign links of the most vocal critics; that’s unfortunate.

  511. @Robjil

    In the famous Ostrovsky book, there are also reports of the Mossad using their skills like mercenaries for (almost) any moneyed Third World foreign power.

  512. @Iris

    Some part of your say looks right. Other parts doesn’t hold water. (alternatively, take some tea with the biscuits)

    Actually, the precipitated demise of Libya’s Gaddafi took place as an unintended consequence of Egypt’s President Mubarak refusing to follow Israel’s blueprint, although he was quite aligned with the ZUSA at the time.
    There is no logical relation which makes the Mubarak’s problem causing the fate of Lybia. “Unintended consequences” doesn’t hold water. Did you really read this idea, or was it your understanding of the Moussa Ibrahim testimony?

    Mubarak was asked to host and train Sunni Wahabi brigades on Egyptian soil, to be used as proxy armies against Syria and Iran. He feared the consequences and refused, which triggered the Egyptian “Arab Spring” and his destitution.
    It doesn’t hold water. The training of Wahabi brigades could and should have been done more easily on Wahhabi territory, that is Saudiland. The pretext is such a joke that the first consequences Mubarak was plausibly fearing was that these brigades were actually schemed to do him what they later did to Kaddafi. In that case his refusal is not the cause of its fall. It had to happen anyway. By refusing the brigades, he only decided to be be attacked by another way.

    As an alternative, Libya was used as a real-life training ground for the extremists, of which many were later transferred by to wreck havoc in Syria.
    This is quite an unrealistic logic. First, real-life training is not an alternative to peacetime training, Second, you don’t do all the costly work (political hits and elaborate propaganda inside france, voluminous bombing) for the sole purpose of getting a ground for real-life training. On the other side, there is no gain comparing to going straight to Syria for “real-life training”.
    This version of event was recounted by well-informed Arab analysts, including Libya’s government spokesperson at the time Moussa Ibrahim.
    Where is this man now?

    Who has the strategic objective of destroying the Syrian state? Who is most active in annihilating Syria today? Syria is regularly and consistently bombed by Israel, not by the US forces.
    1) what about whataboutism?The matterof discussion was Lybia, not Syria. Correct?
    2) why do specially select the today event instead of the relevant years, that are the Arabe Springs years? Yould you please get in touch with reality. Israël (almost) never bombed Syria until Hezbollah and Shias militias approached its borders. They are the only target of Israëli strikes. If it was another way, if the purpose was Syria destruction, Syria would have escalated to full-scale war.
    Furthermore, yes, yes the US Air Force doen’t do anything against Hezbollah and Iranians near Israël borders. Did you asked yourself why? Bibi has asked Mattis for Air Force strikes. Mattis anwered him it was not material, there was nothing to fear, and he will do nothing. Do you believe AIPAC commands the US militaries?

    • Replies: @Iris
  513. Iris says:
    @RobinG

    Thanks for reading, Robin.
    All “revolutions” within the Arab Spring were fake, all but, to a certain extent, the Tunisian “Revolution du Jasmin”.

    Not being “genuine” means that they were “coloured” revolutions enabled by considerable psychological and material means mobilised by Israel and NATO who planned the “revolution” before it actually took place.

    Arab Suni Islamists, and Egyptian Islamic Brotherhood in particular don’t like to recognise it, because they can’t admit that since their inception, they have been the British’s proxy army of choice, first against Arab nationalists, and then against Russian/Soviet influence at a later stage.

    Regarding Libya, right-wing Italian newspaper Libero, belonging to the Berlusconi press group, reported that President Sarkozy prepared for the overthrow of Colonel Gaddafi in October 2010, three months before the “revolution started, in conjunction with the former head of Gaddafi’s protocol, a political refugee in France .

    In mid-November, a French economic mission went to Benghazi, with special intelligence agents disguised as businessmen, to make contact with opponents. At the end of November 2010, a meeting chaired by arch-Zionist Bernard-Henry Levy was held in Paris, at the Concorde Lafayette Hotel, with Libyans from Benghazi, to put the finishing touches to what must be called a conspiracy.
    According to the Arabic magazine “Al-Kifah al-Arabi“, weapons were then smuggled into a Libyan port. The thousands of flags of the former royalist Libyan regime, of all sizes, suddenly appeared in Cyrenaica from the beginning of the uprising in January 2011, recalling the “orange revolutions” triggered by Georges Soros.

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  514. geokat62 says:
    @Parisian Guy

    Rock solid arguments, there, is it Frenchie that you like to go by?

    Freud has nothing on you. Why, you were able to peer inside my mind to discover things about me that I myself never knew existed. lol

    Now, the gist of your long winded response is that you were being sarcastic about Gaddafi welcoming Chinese corporations. The real Deadliest Sin is that he wanted to replace the “Holy Icon,” the currency.

    I still disagree. My one-topic mind keeps telling me that his Deadliest Sin is that he made himself and his country an enemy of the Jewish state by seeking banned weapons and sponsoring terrorist groups in the region. And I backed that up by producing a hard to come by document in which AIPAC – the official lobby of the Jewish state in the US – cited the top 3 or 4 reasons they decided to place Libya on their hit list… and currency was not one of them.

    So, au revoir, Frenchie. It was so nice chatting with you.

    I wish you and the gilets jaunes bon chance in your fight for sovereignty!

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  515. Robjil says:
    @Johnny F. Ive

    Mexico could end all these wars too. Mexico can bring up 1o/10/01.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/2001_Mexican_legislative_assembly_attack

    “The 2001 Mexican legislative assembly attack occurred around 5pm[1] on 10 October 2001.[2] Two armed Israelis, Saar Noam Ben Zvi and Salvador Gersson Smeck (a suspected Mossad agent[2]) carrying Pakistani passports[3] were arrested in the Mexican Legislative assembly. The attack was widely but only briefly reported on Mexican TV and in local newspapers. It was reported in Pravda on 13 October[2] but appears to have been subject to a news blackout as it was covered scarcely if at all by Western commercially-controlled media. The pair were later released without charge. ”

    What happened to the attackers?

    “The attackers were “released through high level intervention from the Israeli Embassy and the then Mexican Zionist Secretary of Foreign Relations George Gutman (aka – Jorge Castaneda).”[5] Saar Noam Ben Zvi was released “on about $4,000 bail and the case turned over to the Mexican immigration authorities.”[6]”

    Our news media has to be brave and report this loudly like a lion. That will end these 500 BC wars in the middle east in one second. Deuteronomy 7.1-2 – destroy seven nations for Yahweh’s Israel written in 500 BC. We are in the 21st century and not 500 BC.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Johnny F. Ive
  516. Iris says:
    @L.K

    Today, Luis Alvarez, WTC first responder and New York detective who fought for 9/11 compensation funding, died of “9/11-related cancer”, aged only 53.

    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/luis-alvarez-new-york-detective-who-fought-for-9-11-compensation-funding-dies-of-cancer/ar-AADDfxi?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=ASUDHP

    He died of colorectal cancer, a type of ailment totally unrelated to the carcinogenic asbestos known to be present in the WTC towers.

    Please do indicate a US media where American people are free to enhance their knowledge and exert their free will, by freely discussing what could have caused this cancer. Go on, L.K, enlighten us.

    • Agree: Robjil
  517. Iris says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The training of Wahabi brigades could and should have been done more easily on Wahhabi territory, that is Saudiland

    Are you joking?
    While it is proven beyond doubt that Israel, KSA and Qatar have all funded and armed the Al Qaeda groups in Syria, is there any evidence of training camp organised in any of this 3 terrorism-sponsoring countries?

    Of course not. They need to rely on some “plausible deniability” on the international stage, and pretend they respect UN charter’s sovereignty clauses.

    The big prize for the Anglo-Zionist hegemon is the ME, starting with Syria, but the first boots-on-the-ground needed to be some stupid backward mercenaries, with a touch of ethnic “legitimacy”. Enter the Wahhabi foreign legions. These legions needed to be trained though, so an easier training ground was chosen: Libya, a large country with only 6 million inhabitants, barely recovering from years of economic sanctions, and with a war propaganda much progressed thanks to false accusations of civilian plane bombings.

    After successfully destroying the Libyan state, all the experienced leaders of the Islamist Libyan “rebellion” went on to train their “brothers” in Syria: CIA-asset and Al Qaeda commander Albdelhakim Belhadj, MI6-asset Mahdi Al Harati,.. etc.

    Regarding Mubarak being asked to organise Wahhabi training camps, there is reasonable evidence to connect the dots:
    – In 2010, Netanyahu asked Mubarak to give the Palestinians in Gaza part of the land on the border strip of Sinai. Mubarak refused and warned the Israeli Prime Minister that if he pressed this idea it would lead to another war between Egypt and Israel.
    – On 6th Sept 2010, and shortly after a visit to the US, where he may have heard about military strike possibilities on Iran, President Mubarak made a forceful speech denouncing extremism and warning of Islamic internecine conflict in the Gulf.
    – On 28th Jan 2011 occurred the “‘jail break incident”, a set of violent actions which resulted in the ‘undisclosed’ release of prisoners including thugs and extremists from at least four prisons in Cairo, later joined by hundreds of Hamas Islamic fighters from Gaza.

    ” During Mubarak’s trial, prosecutors had called the prison break as one of Egypt’s biggest ever conspiracies, saying that hundreds of foreign elements had been involved in prison breaks across Egypt in coordination with the Muslim Brotherhood. More than 20,000 inmates escaped from Egypt’s prisons during the 18 day revolution in 2011 say prosecutors. Prosecutors also alleged that 800 Hamas and Hezbollah members had entered Egypt through Gaza to carry out three prison breaks.”

    https://egyptianstreets.com/2018/12/26/breaking-ex-president-mubarak-testifies-regarding-2011-jail-break-incident/

    – Former President Mubarak is a known supporter of Arab-Iranian dialogue. Quote: “Late Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz and I had a common vision to confront Iran’s ambitions in the region while trying to open horizons for understanding with the Iranians.”

    – He is quite outspoken about Israel’s ambitions and covert activities. Quote: “Iran’s ambitions and efforts are explicit, and its threat to the Gulf cannot be tolerated. However, the Israeli ambitions are equally clear, especially under the current government [Netanyahu’s]. It is necessary to deal with both ambitions equally.”

    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190521-mubarak-the-deal-of-the-century-will-lead-to-explosion-in-the-region/

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  518. @Iris

    To L.K, & presumably forthright & purpose directed, Iris asked: “Please do indicate a US media where American people are free to enhance their knowledge and exert their free will, by freely discussing what could have caused this cancer.”

    Good morning, Iris.

    Re; above, for people with internet access, below is an avenue where people can learn about causes of cancer, which are almost anything rooted in our worldly environment.

    https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes.html

    As Luis Alvarez, a WTC first responder and New York detective who fought for 9/11 compensation funding, passed away due to correctal cancer, I am extremely concerned that the G.W. Bush administration’s Justice Department did not activate their capable CSI investigation teams & determine what other environmental factors might have caused carcinogenic impact upon 9/11 First Responders.

    Fyi, Iris, as an OSHA-certified (Hazwopper) Haz Mat Emergency supervisor during 9/11, a key criteria for me to place response teams at work would be to have available a complete list of possible hazards on scene. If such data was unavailable, response workers would have to don at MINIMUM, OSHA-Level B, Personal Protection Equipment (PPE).

    Bottom line, Iris:. My conscience is clear given that I was not a supervisory “prey” who permitted the 9/11 First Responders to enter the South Manhattan crime scene minus the B.A.T. proscribed by OSHA, Hazwopper regulations.

    Thanks & my respect. Nonetheless, L.K has enlightening capability and he clearly understands how the WTC Towers did not fall due to passenger airplane crashes and pursuant jet fuel (kerosene) fires.

    • Replies: @Iris
  519. Sparkon says:
    @Parisian Guy

    The vector of Bubonic plague is flea.
    Whose vector is rat
    Whose long distance vector was the sailing ships

    No sailing ships were going on Poland’s muddy roads.

    I thought you said rats were off-topic.

    Anyway, rats do indeed need ships to cross oceans, but not to cross dry land, muddy roads, or even rivers.

    Many rats are good swimmers and can easily cross a mile of open water, or even tread water for three days. They can swim underwater too, wriggle through sewer pipes, and surface in your toilet bowl.

    Indeed, rats and their fleas were able to spread bubonic plague throughout Europe, but to get to Poland they needed sailing ships?

    • Replies: @Parisian Guy
  520. @Iris

    One more thing, Iris. 9/11 First Responders knew about & reported WTC Tower explosions to their supervisors.

    Professional Health & Safety Officers would immediately take note of this “hazard” twist, and NYPD Bomb Squads would be placed on alert.

    Hm. Did Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s Incident Command Center do the right thing in order to fully protect Emergency Response worker health & safety?

  521. L.K says:
    @RobinG

    And don’t forget Perkins, “Confessions of an Economic Hitman.”

    That’s a good one too, good thinking.

  522. Iris says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Dear Mr O;

    The discussion is about the American people’s freedom of information, without which they can hardly be made accountable for the criminal foreign policies carried out in their name.

    I am politely pointing to L.K that that such freedom of information is forbidden and censored, even when the victims are Americans. Still waiting for his refutation; he is not so slow when insulting people. Keep well, kind regards.

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  523. TDEB says:
    @Rurik

    Mr. Rurik, a most cleansing steam letting! How many will listen? Thanks.