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The Establishment explanation for what occurred in Beirut’s port on August 5th is that the horrific series of explosions that killed hundreds, injured thousands and left hundreds of thousands homeless was a terrible accident that came about due to a multi-faceted failure by Lebanon’s corrupt and incompetent government. Or at least that is the prevalent narrative in the international media, but a more critical examination of what took place is a bit like peeling an onion only to discover that there are layers and layers of alternative possibilities that just might place the catastrophe in a broader context.

The story, which is generally being accepted, is that a Russian-leased but Moldovan flagged ship the Rhosus carrying nearly 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrate from Batumi in Georgia to Mozambique wound up unexpectedly in Beirut’s port in November 2013 due to a leak in the hull and mechanical problems. It was then impounded and blocked from exiting due to alleged general unseaworthiness as well as its inability to pay disputed debts and docking fees. The dangerous cargo was offloaded and stored in a Hanger number 12 in the port a year later. Ammonium nitrate can be used to make fertilizer but it also can also be used in explosives. The two ton “fertilizer bomb” used to destroy the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people was, for example, primarily ammonium nitrate.

The ship and cargo, which was supposedly destined for a Mozambican company that produced commercial explosives, was then de facto abandoned by its lessee and sat in the port with its Russian captain and three Ukrainian crewmen while the issue was being largely ignored by the Lebanese government. The crew were basically being held as hostages by the port authorities, unable to leave the ship and, it was claimed, frequently on the verge of starvation. They were eventually released and allowed to fly home in 2014 while the Rhosus itself, emptied of its cargo, reportedly sank in an unused corner of the port in 2018.

Both the crew and the port authorities were aware of how dangerous the offloaded cargo was, but the Lebanese government, which was having its own problems, did nothing to address the issue. Shafik Merhi, director of the Lebanese Customs Authority, wrote to government officials no less than six times between 2014 and 2017 requesting “urgent” steps be taken to secure the explosives, but he received no response.

The first explosion may have been started by a welder or even a smoker who somehow ignited fireworks or possibly even a storage site for munitions which then somehow caused the ammonium nitrate to explode. The second explosion has already been described as the largest ever that did not involve a nuclear weapon, though some have been suggesting that it did indeed involve an Israeli tactical nuke. If there is any residual radiation at the site surely that possibility will again be raised.

The blast devastated the port and the surrounding residential area and was felt as far as 120 miles away in Cyprus. Grain silos near the explosion were heavily damage, destroying an estimated 80% of the country’s grain supply at a time when there is already widespread hunger due to a deepening economic crisis that has produced many bankruptcies, a failure of health services and sharply declining standards of living. The problems have all been exacerbated by U.S. unilaterally imposed sanctions and Israeli meddling.

The narrative that the explosion had been a horrible accident was almost immediately widely accepted, but President Donald Trump was quick to describe it as an attack, saying “I’ve met with some of our great generals and they just seem to feel that . . . this was not some kind of a manufacturing explosion type of event. They seem to think it was an attack. It was a bomb of some kind.” However, the Defense Department subsequently refused to confirm Trump’s speculation and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper observed that “Most believe that it was an accident.”

Others also had some problems with the narrative. A cui bono? “who benefits” analysis inevitably suggests that Israel, which has been increasing its pressure both on Lebanon and particularly on Hezbollah recently, might well consider a totally wrecked Lebanese economy to be a gift insofar as that would increase political turmoil and could produce a reaction against Hezbollah. Israel is heavily involved in destabilizing neighboring Syria as well as Iran and has been specifically targeting Hezbollah as the connecting link in the frequently touted Shi’a “land bridge” extending from Iran to the Lebanese Mediterranean coast.

To be sure Israel has officially expressed shock and has denied any connection with the blast. It’s top government officials and Foreign Ministry have offered their condolences. It has even sought to send humanitarian aid to assist in the recovery, but, of course what governments say and do does not necessarily mean anything if there is a hidden agenda or policy. When governments say one thing and do another thing secretly, they frequently hide their actions, a practice which is described using the intelligence expression “plausible denial.”

Israel has not hesitated to attack Lebanon in the past, inflicting enormous damage on the country’s infrastructure and killing thousands of civilians during two major incursions and an actual occupation in 1982 and 2006. Over the past year, Israeli warplanes have flown repeatedly into Lebanese airspace to attack Syrian and alleged Iranian positions and has also staged ground attacks along the border. There has been considerable speculation that war between the two states is coming, particularly as it is widely believed that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu needs a war as a distraction from the many scandals that he has been associated with.

Lebanese party of government Hezbollah, which is by invitation using its military wing to help Damascus, has become increasingly an Israeli target of choice as it is seen as an Iranian proxy. If indeed it was storing weapons at the port they might plausibly have been identified for destruction by Israel, but reliable sources in Lebanon insist that Hezbollah had no access to the area. Beyond that, at the end of July the Israeli defense minister specifically threatened to destroy Lebanese infrastructure. As the port of Beirut is the country key’s economic lifeline, it constitutes the primary infrastructure target.

Israel is known to have numerous intelligence agents operating in Lebanon, so it has the means to get into the port and set off an explosive intended either to ignite the ammonium nitrate or destroy Hezbollah weapons, if they actually exist. That would avoid having to send a bomber or a missile to do the job, though some have claimed that one video of the bombing shows an incoming missile.

Israel has long espoused the so-called Dahiya Doctrine, named after a suburb of Beirut that was devastated by the Israel Defense Forces in 1982-3. It endorses the employment of maximum lethal force against civilians and infrastructure to teach the “enemy” a lesson. It has been used in both Lebanon and more recently in Gaza with Operation Cast Lead and Operation Protective Edge.

Several observers of developments in the Middle East believe that Israel did in fact arrange for the explosion. Shortly after the blast a general in the Lebanese Army stated that the explosion had been caused by a tactical nuclear device intended to bring down the Lebanese government and ignite a civil war with Hezbollah. Indeed, aerial photography shows an enormous crater, at least several hundred yards across. American anti-Zionist Richard Silverstein also blamed Israel, writing on his Tikun Olam blog that “A confidential highly-informed Israeli source has told me that Israel caused the massive explosion at the Beirut port earlier today [when] Israel targeted a Hezbollah weapons depot at the port and planned to destroy it with an explosive device. Tragically, Israeli intelligence did not perform due diligence on their target… It is, of course, unconscionable that Israeli agents did not determine everything about their target including what was in its immediate vicinity. The tragedy Israel has wreaked is a war crime of immense magnitude.”

Silverstein clearly has a good high-level source in Israel but the information he obtains has sometimes been challenged. Some believe that he is being fed information that the Israeli government wishes to make public without having to admit to anything. If that is true in this case, the Israelis might want to be sending a message to the Lebanese and to Hezbollah, suggesting that the second explosion had not been intended and warning them against retaliation that would escalate the fighting. It would also warn Hezbollah that Israel is willing and able to strike anywhere in Lebanon and it might also turn ordinary Lebanese against Hezbollah because the suggestion would be that its actions had invited a devastating attack from Israel.

There have also been suggestions that something had to be done to the ammonium nitrate to make it explode like it did. Ammonium nitrate is not an explosive by itself, but serves as an oxidiser, drawing oxygen to a fire and making it rage faster and further. British security specialist Robert Emerson is speculating that the “…ammonium nitrate got something added to it accidentally, possibly oil or some other flammable compound. Ammonium nitrate smoke is more yellow, this is rather red. An investigation would ascertain if that is the case and where contamination took place.”

Other speculation is perhaps more sinister with a local journalist in Beirut claiming that security-agency sources revealed a routine check three months ago that discovered military-grade explosives together with tons of the chemical in Hanger 12 while a former U.S. Central Intelligence Agency officer, Robert Baer, told CNN that certain aspects of the explosion “suggest the combustion of military-grade material along with the ammonium nitrate.”

One of the better-quality videos of the explosions would appear to show a first explosion that might consist of fireworks or munitions going off followed by the huge explosion of the ammonium nitrate, which would more-or-less support the emerging standard narrative. Beirut residents, who have been demonstrating against the government since the incident, seem mostly to believe that it was no more than an accident due to bureaucratic incompetence. But that does not rule out that it was an inside job carried out covertly by the Israelis to weaken Lebanon and its arch-foe Hezbollah. If recent history has anything to teach us it is that whatever actually happened, the cover-up will begin right away. Likely no one will be punished in Lebanon and no one will seriously look into a possible Israeli role. The real losers will be the people of Lebanon who have lost their lives and homes in a horrific incident that never should have occurred.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is https://councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. Apparently, ammonium nitrate can become part of an explosion without being prepared in any way.

    The below is from an account of a 1959 explosion in Roseburg, Oregon.

    ‘In the early morning hours of August 7, 1959 a fire at Gerretsen Building Supply Company ignited a truck parked on the adjacent street. The truck was carrying a two ton load of dynamite and four and one-half tons of ammonium nitrate. The subsequent blast leveled eight city blocks. The explosion created a crater fifty-two feet in diameter and twelve feet deep…’

    Assuming an Israeli missile strike did set off a Hezbollah munitions stash, much the same could have happened in Beirut. The Israeli missile works as a blasting cap, and the munitions in Beirut act as the dynamite apparently did in Roseburg and set off the ammonium nitrate.

    Corrections on my chemistry are welcome.

  2. trelane says:

    Ammonium nitrate is not an explosive.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Disagree: El Dato, Haruto Rat
    • Troll: nokangaroos
  3. Pft says:

    The CIA version of history/reality is all about Coincidence, Incompetence, Accidents.

    Smart rich and powerful groups who control the money, food, oil , media, education and governments cant possibly get away with a conspiracy to do stuff like bring down other governments, start wars, create economic crises they can profit from in the end, and create the illusion of a pandemic (with bogus tests with many false positives, manipulated death certificates and loose case definitions). Impossible.

    But we are a people who can believe 3 steel framed buildings can collapse into dust from top to bottom due to fire lasting as little as 1 hr and planes hitting the upper parts of only 2 of them, with underground fires producing heats thats visible from satellites for a month. And never question why no testing for explosives was done despite explosives being used 8 years before,

    There is literally nothing that most of the people cant be made to believe.

    To make the lie more believable have a habitual liar tell the truth (Trump) and put out an obvious fake video showing a missile, and then censor any credible comments on social media. Make the story go away soon in MSM and voila, the official narrative is set in stone

  4. Look at Bibi holding up the Beirut target site in 2018 UN briefing:

    I, for one, don’t believe any part of the official narrative, anymore than the 911 narrative. This was Lebanon’s 911, and having the MSM all tout the “official” story (in lockstep) without one lick of proof means that a coverup is in progress. If anyone thinks ammonium nitrate was stored in the building please prove it. That’s a claim, not a fact, and that claim is being made by very evil liars.

    Jews control the media and Jews cover up Israeli crimes on a daily basis. On 911 we are told airplanes brought down the trade towers, but this is complete nonsense and anyone with more than two functioning neurons knows this. The buildings were blown up, just take a look at WTC 6 and the controlled demolition of WTC7 – which were not hit by airplanes. So that totally rules out Muslims.

    WTC6 big hole:

    [MORE]

    WTC7 controlled demolition (announced by BBC 22 minutes before it went down)

    So what happened in Beirut? Well what do you see happening? A nuclear bomb went off. What is the media saying, don’t believe your eyes believe our lies. I say believe your intuition and your own senses. Don’t let the evil lying Zionist owned media persuade you otherwise.

    Take a look – it sure as hell is a nuke especially the clip that starts at 0.23, mushroom cloud and all.

  5. @trelane

    Not at room temperature, no. Heated above its melting point, it becomes increasingly unstable and prone to violent decomposition. In this state, it doesn’t require an initiator to detonate.

    • Replies: @trelane
  6. Pft says:
    @Colin Wright

    There was Dynamite. Also the ammonium
    Nitrate was mixed with diesel fuel (ANFO) which is the fuel. Ammonium nitrate used for explosives adds fuel to make it explosive. Ammonium nitrate (AN) used for fertilizer has no fuel. Also being loaded in a truck it was likely tightly packed and contained. This makes an explosion easier when ignited or heated. In Beirut the bags were stored in a large warehouse, and not as contained. Need more clarity on how these 1000 lb bags were stored, side by side or stacked.

    • Replies: @pq
    , @cassandra
  7. Sulu says:

    It’s been several decades since I was in a Chemistry class but if memory serves if Ammonium Nitrate gets mixed with about 5% by weight diesel fuel it forms an explosive stronger than TNT. I believe it does take a shock to set it off though. You would think diesel fuel would be in close proximity to a sea port. I was not a chemistry major in college so I invite anyone with more education/knowledge on the subject to correct my chemistry.

    I can’t imagine that Israel wouldn’t know that a potential bomb was there to be used. I also wonder why the hell the dumb fucks at the port didn’t just dump the Ammonium Nitrate in the sea and let the sea water dilute it. High stupidity all around if you ask me. Except on the part of Israel, assuming they ignited the mixture. Just like a Jew to use a bomb they didn’t even have to pay for.

    Sulu

    • Agree: ivan
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  8. Clyde says:

    This is limited information but as far as what caused the explosion — It was the ammonium nitrate stored there at the port of Beirut– Here is a very good article on that aspect —- https://www.wired.com/story/tragic-physics-deadly-explosion-beirut/

    It was not munitions that blew. It was ammonium nitrate

  9. “Ammonium nitrate is not an explosive by itself, but serves as an oxidiser, drawing oxygen to a fire and making it rage faster and further.”

    With sufficient confinement and initiation, it will explode by itself, according to the literature.

    “British security specialist Robert Emerson is speculating that the “…ammonium nitrate got something added to it accidentally, possibly oil or some other flammable compound. Ammonium nitrate smoke is more yellow, this is rather red. An investigation would ascertain if that is the case and where contamination took place.”

    As I understand it, ammonium nitrate can explosively decompose in two ways:

    2NH4NO3 → 2N2 + O2 + 4H2O ΔH= -1057 kJ·mol-1

    and/or

    8NH4NO3 → 5N2 + 4NO + 2NO2 + 16H2O ΔH= -600 kJ·mol-1

    So the reddish-brown smoke could be due to nitrogen dioxide.

    • Agree: nokangaroos, ivan
    • Thanks: Sulu
    • Replies: @El Dato
  10. Following this tragedy like an argus eagle, I have come to the conclusion that this time Giraldi has not done his usual due diligence and has accepted at face value some of the mainscream media’s memes such as identifying the ship which had contained the AN as Russian owned. In fact, the vessel was owned by a Russian EXPAT, resident in Cyprus and whose true ethnicity has been described as something other than ethnic Russian. At best this is sloppy journalism, at worst misleading.

    Secondly, the Oklahoma City Murrah building incident has long been considered by researchers as having been blasted by pre-planted explosives located in a part of the structure that was in a different part of the building than the rental truck containing the AN. My personal jury is still out on this one, but caution MUST be exercised in the light of the numerous false-flag incidents which were matters of state terrorism committed by the puppet regime in the Di$trict of Corruption. After all Bu$h the Le$$er’s “War on Terror” desperately needed to create terrorists in order to keep this country’s Great Overwashed in a state of constant fear and trepidation.

    Thirdly, Giraldi rather carelessly repeats the contention that the first explosion was caused by a welder or a smoker. Had that been the case, such an individual would have no longer been on the scene to tell the tale after the explosions. Bits of mangled protoplasm are unreliable sources of information.

    All probability points to those gangsters who consider themselves “chosen” by their tribal WarGod as the primary perps, with the boys from Langley as most likely guilty of aiding and abetting.

  11. Under normal conditions Ammonium nitrate is a stable and water soluble compound. That’s why it’s used primarily in agriculture as a fertilizer. However, since the compound is enriched with hydrogen and nitrogen it can be explosive when a detonator provide the initial explosion or fire! In presence of heat Nitrogen is recompounded to nitrous oxide forming a brown gas very similar to the auto exhaust fumes in the old days. That’s what happened in Roseburg Oregon. Also the story about Tim McVeigh can be researched!

  12. Storing munitions in the same warehouse with ammonium nitrate sounds like a keystone cops type deal.

  13. @Colin Wright

    You are “assuming” a bit much in repeating the tale of a Hezbollah weapons stash being kept nearby. The politicians and gangsters running that portion of the port were from factions opposed to Hezbollah and would not have allowed them access to that area–to say nothing of a munitions stash.

    Southern Lebanon is Shia countryside and totally dominated by Hezbollah. They are said to possess in excess of 100,000 missiles stored deep underground and frustrating as hell to the occupiers of Palestine because (1. they are impervious to air-strikes and (2. the Litani river valley area is defended in depth much as was the Kursk Salient, where Hitler’s Konigtiger tanks were pounded to bits and from that time onwards, the Red Army went on the attack.

    The Ashcanazi intruders occupying Palestine got their noses well bloodied last time they tried to invade Lebanon. Any munitions that Hezbollah may have are very well protected and not vulnerable like the hapless civilians in Beirut. Only cowards attack those who cannot fight back

    • Agree: Iris, Hiram of Tyre
  14. Z-man says:

    From the protests in Beirut it seems that it was corruption and incompetence but I would never rule out that the hands of the Zionists were involved.

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  15. Sayanim says:

    Explosives need shock, not fire or heat, to explosively decompose. Ammonium nitrate can be an explosive under certain circumstances: diesel, aluminum dust, etc…

    In the Roseburg explosion, the dynamite acted as the “blasting cap.”

    In Beirut, fireworks densely packed together, a missile or perhaps an saboteur’s explosive charge acted as the detonator.

  16. I am still waiting for photos of the AN in the warehouse. Regardless of the actual size of the bags, 2,700 tons is the equivalent of 108,000 50-pound bags ((2,700 x 2,000) / 50 = 108,000). That is quite a block of bags of anything to be kept indoors in a warehouse.

    I find it difficult to believe that in six years no one pulled out a cell phone to take a picture of such a large concentration that would have taken up a reasonable portion of all the space available in the warehouse.

    And would not such photos reveal how it was stored and the state of the bags / containers as a clue to how susceptible the contents would have been to mixing with oxygen?

    And the ship itself was purportedly seized almost immediately for non-payment of docking fees, yet the cargo was allowed to sit for six years taking up valuable warehouse space without anyone getting the idea to maybe seize it and sell it for the unpaid storage charges?

    Aside from hearsay, how do we even know that there was any AN in the warehouse at all?

  17. Vetran says:

    Beirut blast is eerily similar that the one in Syria last year.

    Also, was Bibi making a threat?
    https://english.alaraby.co.uk/english/fullimage/eff18e9b-7920-4da1-9f9f-e242fc02290f/b4b2a01f-4de1-4b13-b764-42325fcd1fd1

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  18. @Colin Wright

    Yes, a small addition of a combustible material will suffice. Well known are ANFO explosives (Ammonium Nitrate-Fuel Oil). A mix of 6% diesel fuel and 94% ammonium nitrate will make a cheap and powerful explosive. In many European countries, you will be asked to identify yourself when wanting to purchase one or more 25 kilogram bags of ammonium nitrate fertilizer, because making bombs with it is so easy.

  19. Haven’t people got eyes in their heads? You can see the frigging directed energy weapon (DEW) illuminate the smoke cloud as it detonates the explosive material if you play some of the videos of the explosion is slow motion. This film also compares it to a known use of a DEW. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGjjNLdZONs
    You can see it in this one too if you play it in slow motion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcMZTx7iT9Q

  20. sally says:

    Ammonium nitrate smoke is more yellow, this is rather red. An investigation would ascertain if that is the case and where contamination took place.”

    the problem is not the NH4 N03-N04 .. its the white mushroom cloud that rose above and the presence of two non Lebanon aircraft.. ..over the port , just before the explosion that needs explaining. Looks to me like the government in Lebanon may resign in mass, and its successors may pivot to the East.. ..

    very interesting the lack of answers. thanks for the article..

  21. Lot says:

    Who did the Arabs blame for everything before Israel?

    • Troll: Druid55
    • Replies: @noname27
    , @Druid55
  22. chris says:

    The first explosion is very different from the extremely symmetrical and massive second explosion.

    It would seem impossible that solid materials placed haphazardly in a warehouse could ever detonate so coherently.

    Whose weapon this might have been, may be answered by speculating what Israel’s response would have been, if this had not been their weapon. Let’s just say that diplomatic condolences would not have covered the full extent of their response.

    Beyond reconstruction, the problems for the Lebanese people may be just beginning. Israel’s strategic goals are not likely to have changed since their defeat in 2006; this engineered explosion is much more likely to be the starting gun, so to speak for further escalations.

  23. a Hezbollah munitions stash

    Your argument holds, the “Hezbollah” part is being suggestive though.

  24. The narrative that the explosion had been a horrible accident was almost immediately widely accepted

    By whom? By the msm in the hands of whom?

    The narrative that the explosion had been a horrible accident was almost immediately widely accepted

    Like LHO, like JER, like SS, like the moon, like OBL. Always to have an explanation at hand to cover a State crime.

    Israel did it.

    Case closed.

    • Agree: Druid55
    • Replies: @Rashkae
  25. gotmituns says:

    It doesn’t matter what the reason for the explosion was, somebody has to die because of it. After all, it’s the Mideast.

  26. noname27 says: • Website

    This has Isra-hell stamped all over it – a 100% no-brainer.

  27. noname27 says: • Website
    @Lot

    I’ll guess – Turkey.

    • LOL: Lot
  28. Rashkae says:
    @Olivier1973

    This MOAB they dropped on Afghanistan looks quite similar as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBmCegAiIFI

  29. @Z-man

    Those “protests” may be part of an attempted “color revolution” by the (((usual suspects))). The aim is to topple the current government and install an anti-Hizbollah new one. Israel cannot fight Hizbollah directly, so they try to do it indirectly.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  30. dimples says:
    @Timothy Madden

    A photo taken before the explosion shows the stuff contained in 1000kg bulk bags labelled as ‘Nitroprill HD’. Apparently this is a knock-off or clone of Nitropril, an explosive made by Orica.
    According to an Orica website, Nitropril is an explosive sold in the open-cut coal and ore mining markets, eg:

    ” Developed and manufactured by Orica, Nitropril™ is a physically robust porous prill with a built in resistance to breakdown due to temperature cycling and abrasion.
    Market: Open Cut Coal, Open Cut Metal ”

    So I would assume that Nitroprill HD is already an explosive without any diesel or other additives.

    For pics see:

    https://themillennialmirror.com/trends/nitropril-hd-1000/

    https://www.rt.com/news/497206-lebanon-arrests-port-officials-beirut/

  31. @Majority of One

    the Oklahoma City Murrah building incident has long been considered by researchers as having been blasted by pre-planted explosives located in a part of the structure that was in a different part of the building than the rental truck containing the AN.

    Indeed. After an exhaustive examination of the damage, explosives expert Brigadier Gen. Bentin K. Partin, USAF (Ret.) concluded:

    It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have resulted from such a bomb alone. To cause the damage pattern that occurred to the Murrah building, there would have to have been demolition charges at several supporting column bases, at locations not accessible from the street, to supplement the truck bomb damage. Indeed, a careful examination of photographs showing the collapsed column bases reveals a failure mode produced by demolition charges and not by a blast from the truck bomb.

    http://physics911.net/generalpartinreport/

    The Murrah explosion destroyed pretty much half of a very well constructed building. In 2011, Anders Breivik tried to emulate the accepted version of the Murrah attack in Oslo but managed to do only damage to the fascia of his target.

  32. Svevlad says:

    Oh? Russian ship?

    Oh God oh fuck not again now they’re gonna flip-flop back on accusing Russia again

  33. @Colin Wright

    Your chemistry is correct. In mining they use plugs of powergel and pack it with anfo. (Ammonium Nitrate). The powergel is set off with a detonator.

  34. @Majority of One

    I found the article a bit tame by Philip’s usual high quality analyzing. I was expecting something that would seem the most likely but found just what everyone else is saying.

    • Replies: @Phil the Fluter
  35. Abeer says:
    @Pft

    That’s the plain truth , agree totally

  36. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Anyone who has followed what the unhinged maniacs of Israel have been doing to Lebanon, Gaza, the West Bank, Syria etc knows that the Beirut explosion wasn’t some accident. Israelis have been butchering the ME indeigenous peoples since they started invading in 1933, when the Nazis signed the “Transfer Agreement” with German Jews, agreeing to help them settle in Palestine.

    From the horrors of Deir Yassin to the Zionist attacking Beirut is one long uninterrupted chain of savage butchery, rape and terror committed by Israelis to chase out or kill the locals.

    What kind of maniac celebrates the mass murder of Beirut people? Israelis and Jews.

    Deadly Beirut blast ‘gift’ from God, ex-Israel MK says

    Former Israeli Member of the Knesset (Israel’s parliament) Moshe Feiglin hailed Tuesday’s massive explosion in Lebanon’s capital city, Beirut as a “gift” from God.

    “Today is Tu B’Av, a day of joy, and a true and huge thank you to G-d and all the geniuses and heroes really (!) who organized for us this wonderful celebration in honor of the day of love,
    ” Feiglin posted on Facebook, claiming that the blast was just in time for the Jewish festival.

    https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/deadly-beirut-blast-gift-from-god-ex-israel-mk-says

    SANE people celebrate their religions holy days with festivals and masses that heap praise on their God and give thanks for his/her/its bounty.

    Israelis and Jews plot to murder Gentiles and then sing the praises of their successful mass murder.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Showmethereal
  37. El Dato says:
    @Harold Smith

    With sufficient confinement and initiation, it will explode by itself, according to the literature.

    And this has happened several times in the history of mankind.

    Anyone who thinks there is a “tactical nuke” involved should have his head examined pronto. There would be plutonium dust all over the place, especially at such low yield. Completely unmistakable. I also don’t see many people with burnt-out eyes and flaking skin running around. No flash, nothing. Remember a nuke delivers its energy via radiation (therefore also: no crater unless it’s been bured like they do in Nevada). A chemical explosive via heated high-pressure gas. Guess what’s visible on all those phone clips?

    • Disagree: Tommy Thompson
    • LOL: GMC
  38. A video, that appears to be deleted showed and object coming in from the sea, obscured a bit by the smoke then mfs…
    yes that had to be a 5th generation nuke of some kind…
    Veterans Today in convinced that it is a nuke
    who else would use a nuke
    Israeli jets strafe the Lebanon regularly
    there are reports of more than one missile
    one to create initial damage, smoke screen and alibi
    the second to show the world that they will do murder
    with impunity

  39. Z-man says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    Good point.
    However Hezbollah has already denied any responsibility and is probably going to provide financial support to some of the victims, (beaten Netanyahu and the owned media too the punch).

  40. chuckywiz says:

    No way it was (NH4)2No2 explosion. Consider the temperature of the cloud (white), duration of the formation of the cloud (almost instantaneous), a dome formation, and above all for an explosion of this magnitude with in second to happen you have to have vapors all over the place. Fertilizer is solid and need some kind of fuel to be effective otherwise will act like fire crackers. My opinion.

    What about pressure wave calculations, 2700 tons of TNT equivalent? a decent prediction could be made. Nuclear device, probably not because radiation could be traced but some kind of extreme thermal device? may be

  41. anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:

    This blast is bend in history that will turn out to be even more momentous than 911. Like 911, a narrative was instantly ready to roll. This alone should make us all doubt the neatly packaged narrative of incompetence and reckless negligence we’ve been handed (complete with a picture of three laurel-and-hardy stumblebum welders in action!!! ). As entertainment, this narrative is grade A. As history, it’s grade A entertainment.

    There are so many ways that negligence, malign incompetence, subversion and attack could have folded together to bring about this disaster. The date alone tells us that it was not simply an accident, though. I find it incredible that no one has mentioned this, that I have seen. Seriously? The worst urban explosion since Hiroshima happened on nearly exactly the 75th anniversary of Hiroshima and you think that was just a coincidence?!!!!!!! I mean it COULD conceivably be a coincidence. That is within the realm of possibility. Barely.

    One thing we know from 911 is that when multiple weapons are used in an attack, public opinion is completely flummoxed. People know what an imploding building looks like. People know what an explosion looks like. But a building that is simultaneously imploding and exploding? Such a strange beast seems to put people into a state where they do not believe their lying eyes. Then they seem to grasp at ‘official explanations’ like drowners grabbing at life rafts.

    I think it is fair to say that the explosion in Beirut looks like a missile strike. I don’t doubt that explosive stores could have been involved. I don’t doubt that both intentional and unintentional negligence and incompetence could have been involved. I don’t doubt that subversion may have been involved. My lying eyes still tell me that a missile strike of some kind was the key event. To my lying eyes there is an unmistakable kinetic impact and an unmistakable flash, an extremely intense flash by the way. We know that experimental weapons have probably been tested in Syria and Iraq. The explosion in Beirut looks like a bunker buster weapon, probably a tactical nuke. Whatever it is, it seems to have novel characteristics,which I think is part of why we see multiple explanations coming from ‘experts’.

    I’m just a citizen observer, not an expert in any relevant field, except maybe at seeing through propaganda and rhetoric to some degree. The region is rich with actors who have both capability and possible motivation to be involved with bringing about such a disaster in Beirut. Russia? China? Sure. France? America? Without a doubt. Hezbolla itself? Possibly. Some other faction in Lebanon, wanting to upend the situation there? For sure. All of the above or some combination of the above? Certainly possible.

    Of course, there is one actor that is right next door; that threatens Hezbollah and Lebanon regularly; that has repeatedly attacked Lebanon, showing willingness to kill civilians and to destroy infrastructure; that overflies Lebanon all the time, shooting off missile, mostly into Syria; that has access to the highest technology available; that also has extensive spy and subversion networks in the region; etc.. Israel should be considered guilty until proven innocent. Israel might even be innocent this time. I’d have to see that proven to believe it, though.

    And no, I don’t hate Israel. I love Israel. But I hate a lot of what Israel does.

    People seem to think that the demonstrations in Beirut tell us that the people of Lebanon blame the government and Hezbollah. Maybe so, but they look more like the latest ‘color revolution’, like the ‘official narrative’, ready to roll.

  42. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:

    this is the most incredible development by my way of reasoning

    how in the hell do you insinuate a massive bomb into the heart of your enemy just like that, they accept it, take it in and place it in the middle of their most valuable possession, their life line and leave it there for years and years, refuse t move it, to deal with positively from the angle of their clear interest, it in any way at all

    contrary to what others claim Hezbollah had to have know about the nitrates in the heart of Beirut! how could they not have know all there was to know about it? how could Hezbollah not known about the danger that load posed to all of Lebanon, to themselves first of all and move the dam thing themselves..at all costs

    why would Hezbollah sit back and allow that ship to be off loaded in the fist place? why would they not insist it be left on the ship and if anything let it go down with the ship? or tow the ship out into the deep ocean and sink it there!

    WHY IN HEAVENS NAME WOULD THAT HORRIFIC CARGO BE OFF-LOADED ONTO THE LAND AND LET DRY AND READY TO EXPLODE..OR BE EXPLODED??????

    [MORE]

    WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT WITH THE LEBANESE PEOPLE!!!!????

    WHAT SORT OF PEOPLE CAN BEHAVE THIS WAY? THERE IS NOT A SHED OF OF ANYTHING NATIONALIST, HONEST, SANE ON ANY SIDE OR PART OF THE LEBANESE PEOPLE…ALL OF THEM, ALL SIDES INCLUDING HEZBOLLAH IN ALL OF THIS!

    I see suicidal behavior on all sides including clear inside participation who contributed to the devastation of their own country for whatever benefit they thought worthy. this can only be an inside job as has been obvious from the start. look at its incredible build up..with that lunatic ship and its cargo. how come there was no suspicion at all about that ship? why take the cargo on land and use up storage space with no end in sight for the end of that issue. isn’t cargo storage expensive..especially at an import port like that one was to the national interest? who would pay ultimately?

    and all along I was of the impression that Hezbollah was a resistance organization of the highest efficiency and operational class, including its political arm or wing, elected to some part of the parliament by a significant minority of the Lebanese electoral. that being the case Hezbollah as a say in national affairs which would include that cargo stored at that import facility

    I cannot for the life of me see how Hezbollah can be given a pass in this. I was off the wrong impression of Hezbollah following the impression created particularly by the ‘sister’ blog to the Unz the Vineyard of the Saker, which is very protective of Hezbollah. Hezbollah is clearly as responsible..I would say complicit..as any other party to this development.

    and by this development the opposition to the Zionist in the Muslim word seem totally outclassed on all levels by. hey do not understand the Israelis at all , have no idea of the scale on which they thy thin and act and so are unable to mount any effective and decisive defense and offensive operation on the Israelis at all. all they do is sit back and take attack, offensive action..are acted on, are reactive never forward, offensive and creative

    as far as I see the global/historical situation the Jews are all in, have been all in from the start. they want the world and will have the world and will do all any and everything they think they need to to get the world. by the second world war the Jews have committed enough crime against humanity over their history that warrants death to that whole tribe.

    should the global reality change at any time into its opposite and the Jews lose their global power the whole story comes out, tumbling rolling out, all the evidence. there is no way at all the Jews can be forgiven for their crimes. humanity will have to act. to punish the Jews! what can that punishment be then? can we try to imagine the punishment the rest of the humanity species can realize and mete out to the collective Jewish tribe for what they have done to humanity over what…a millennia now?

    that’s right..a genocide..the execution of a whole tribe of people?

    it is that or simply leave the Jews to do to humanity whatever they want, what they have always done to humanity. Kill them all or surrender to them if we cant. that is the equation in the human situation as we speak.

    but the Jews know this and they have always been ready. they will get the world or there will be no world. they are going to blow the planet if they are going to lose. the Jews have given themselves no choice but that by their historical depredations on the rest of the human species.

    to smuggle a massive bomb into the heart if your enemy then detonate it, devastating them… is exactly they scale, and even greater scale, the Jews operate on. this tells us all if we wish to see and accept such possibility, that that is the state of the entire planet by now..that there are secreted everywhere around the world, devices that would devastate the planet, if and when the Jews are losing..or going to lose period..their power over the rest of humanity

    I never saw any other possibility given what has always been involved, what should be obvious to us all, by the very history we all know. that is the human existential paradox right there..the challenge we have among ourselves on which our very survival hangs.

    I don’t see how humanity can survive this existential development. there is no god to come to resolve it for us. there is no god(s) at all, period. we are on our own

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  43. @Pft

    Totally agree – down through the ages, the enemies of humanity have prohibited us from questioning their operations.

    Why should this barbaric Beirut bomb blast be any different?

  44. Anonymous[761] • Disclaimer says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Thanks. We’re dealing with the overnight degeneracy of over a thousand years hard-won advance in Western Civilization’s reasoning from incomplete evidence to valid conclusion, typifying no group today quite as it does organized conservatism and the Republican waterboys for Israel in Congress–unless of course they along with everyone else who’s followed the evidence know Israel did 9-11. Moreover, the elaborate efforts at concealment by the entire MSM provide powerful evidence of their guilt for capital treason as well. Does anyone, for example, still doubt that Fox News’ mission, for its part, is encapsulating the Israel-first meme with that whore Hannity’s flag-waving jingoism and shtick country western segues, straight from Times Square?

    Since Israel was unarguably responsible for the USS Liberty and 9-11; since Wall Street is unarguably responsible for our economic woes; and, since Hollywood is responsible like no other entity for America’s moral degeneracy, it follows the entire government is a charade providing meme encapsulation of the interests of Israel and organized Jewry, like but worse than the roach inside the farmer’s body in Men in Black or, say, the insect parasite Ampulex compressa that takes over its much larger prey’s antenna and so the prey’s contact with external reality much in the way the 100% kosher MSM does the minds of Americans.

    If the evidence for controlled demo used for 9-11 isn’t perfect, the argument is rejected as a conspiracy theory by these people, making this situation a psychological capitulation to biblical evil a defining characteristic of what was once conservatism in America. The video clips you’ve posted make tactical nuke or some other ultra-high-energy bomb the obvious working hypothesis and yet the nonsense about fireworks setting off ammonium nitrate is said to be the most plausible explanation despite the signature shock wave.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
    , @Uncle J
  45. I suspect it was an accident, given that the initial fire raged for so long before the main explosion. Why would attacker use such a method?

    If one watches the video I saw closely, in the seconds before the great blast, tiny sparks or fireworks can be seen rushing about in the air near the epicenter of the blast.

    Grain itself, without any added explosive, can result in terrible explosions. This has happened fairly often in the grain elevators in the Midwest along the Mississippi River. That’s why no one builds houses near them. Fine grain particles fill the air and oxygen molecules so say cake onto the surface of the particles. Then in the dry midwestern heat, any little spark, like some idiot smoking a cigarette, can ignite a giant explosion! That might explain the sparks seen in the air before the major blast. I have no idea how severe such an explosion could be in relative terms.

    The question I would answer is “how much ammonium nitrate was present?” Would that volume of the substance be able to create a blast of that magnitude? Does ammonium nitrate need to be chemically treated before it has explosive properties? It seems there must be some sort of munitions expert who could answer these questions.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Yukon Jack
  46. turtle says:
    @Greg Bacon

    What kind of maniac celebrates the mass murder of … people?

    A very sick person.

  47. Philip Giraldi wrote: “The two ton “fertilizer bomb” used to destroy the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people was, for example, primarily ammonium nitrate…”

    Dear Phil,

    A volatile Scranton question, re; above.

    Is there any forensic example of something “secondary” to the use of ammonium nitrate in the outdoor-based destruction of Oklahoma City’s Murrah Building?

    Reckon the convicted (& executed) domestic terrorist, Timothy McVeigh’s two ton “fertilizer bomb” was an exact blend of ammonium nitrate & fuel oil that was stored in the Ryder truck van.

    While driving to the Murrah Building’s front, the lone bomber 🤔 McVeigh’s cargo was stable until imminent rapid heat buildup (charge) required the lone bomber, McVeigh, to evacuate the van, asap. Run for life.

    As planned, the Ryder truck blew up, but it escapes my understanding how the Federal Murrah building got destroyed; minus something explosively interior, and “secondary” to 2 tons of ammonium nitrate.

    Appears to me that the late-McVeigh had Federal help to exacerbate his terror.

    Thanks, Phil.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  48. @trelane

    Ammonium nitrate is not an explosive.

    Nearly any powder can be an explosive if it is suspended in the air.

  49. We learn from this morn’s NYT that a US “contractor” cabled (the NYT has the cable) the State Dept. that the explosive was being stored at the port in 2014, the year it arrived… State denied it immediately ???

  50. kikz says:
    @Timothy Madden

    “And the ship itself was purportedly seized almost immediately for non-payment of docking fees, yet the cargo was allowed to sit for six years taking up valuable warehouse space without anyone getting the idea to maybe seize it and sell it for the unpaid storage charges?”

    good point….

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  51. pq says:

    “British security specialist Robert Emerson is speculating that the “…ammonium nitrate got something added to it accidentally”

    You have to wonder why British security specialists are putting out disinfo.
    2,7000 tons of AN would need to be saturated with 162 tons of diesel fuel (properly mixed) plus high explosives to start the detonation as well as a charge. If it were that easy to detonate AN mining companies would just throw a few bags of fertilizer, a few bags of fireworks, get the fire going and then go off to enjoy some beers.
    Why waste money on the fuel oil? that’s the FO in ANFO.

    How could you possibly do that BY ACCIDENT?

    AN accidents don’t happen in warehouses. This is a simple fact known to farmers all over the world.

    And what idiot would go the trouble of acquiring weapons and then leave it in a warehouse next to AN without surveillance in a busy port? Certainly never Hezbollah.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  52. pq says:
    @Colin Wright

    I agree with your analysis. However Hezbollah would not have defeated Israel twice if they were so stupid as to leave weapons acquired at great expense next to a bunch of AN in a busy port run by their political opponents. And without surveillance. They have far better places to hide weapons in the mountains.
    The point is: it doesn’t matter if it was weapons, AN, or jars of Marmite and cans of baked beans….the idea is to still to point the blame at Hezbollah. The “Israeli missile” part of it will be covered up and it will come back to: how could Hezbollah leave their Marmite and baked beans in the port of Beirut?

    “We had to destroy it before they destroyed us with it”.

  53. @anonymous

    The worst urban explosion since Hiroshima

    But probably not the worst ever. That distinction goes to the Halifax explosion of 1917, when a munitions ship blew up after a collision in the harbor. It produced a mushroom cloud and a shock wave that killed roughly 1950 people, most of them more than 1.5 miles from the epicenter of the blast. In comparison we see many people surviving the Beirut blast from a few hundred meters away, suggesting the blast front was too slow to be a shock wave, but was rather a pressure wave, if I understand the difference between the two.

    The Halifax explosion was the subject of Barometer Rising a book by by Canadian author Hugh MacLennan, who endured the tragedy as a ten-year old boy. I remember first reading it as a Canadian student in high school in the 50s. Gripping book. Gave me nightmares for months.

    • Replies: @cassandra
  54. @Ukraine Tiger

    Have a look at what I’ve said. It’s obvious to anyone who plays the vids in slow motion. Here is another one which captures the DEW

  55. pq says:
    @Pft

    You can see the photos. It was stacked in two layers of one ton bags but with several metres of airspace to the ceiling, along with many broken windows, seabreezes.
    I checked AN storage guidelines and it looked no different to how it would be stored on a farm.
    The fire burned for barely 20 minutes, it started in a different hangar (9).
    From some angles the videos show a distance between the original fire and the 2 blasts.
    The clue is in the instant detonation of 2,700 tons simultaneously, not over a few minutes even.
    Zero delay. Even weapons + AN would go off over a few minutes.
    The firemen who arrived at the scene immediately called back for extra help because there was a “strange sound”. Not fireworks. Less than three minutes later the explosion hit.

  56. A123 says:
    @Happy Tapir

    The question I would answer is “how much ammonium nitrate was present?” Would that volume of the substance be able to create a blast of that magnitude? Does ammonium nitrate need to be chemically treated before it has explosive properties? It seems there must be some sort of munitions expert who could answer these questions.

    Given that Ammonium Nitrate is used widely it doesn’t need a munitions expert…. The requisite knowledge is in the public domain.

    The amount was approximately 3,000 metric tons = 3,000,000 kg.

    Yes. The rule of thumb I have always used is 3 kg is equivalent to 1 kg of TNT. Various estimates from the field are in the 1,000-1,500 tons of TNT range. This is consistent with amount of material in the Iranian al’Hezbollah controlled Warehouse 12.

    Pure NH4-NO3 can detonate by itself, although it is hard to trigger. The city of Galveston was destroyed by a NH4-NO3 blast in 1947. As you point out, video evidence shows munitions (or possibly large fireworks) cooking off, which was the ignition source for the NASRALLAH-SHIMA blast.

    You can find more detail here:

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/

    PEACE 😇

    • Thanks: Happy Tapir
    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @chuckywiz
    , @Happy Tapir
  57. @Yukon Jack

    Wow. I was sure that picture of Netanyahu holding up a photo of the explosion site was photoshopped, so I pulled up the entire speech on YouTube. Gawd damn, he really did it! I guess the formula is, wait two years and bombs away…?

    The hubris on (((these guys))) is breathtaking.

    • Thanks: chris
  58. turtle says:
    @El Dato

    There would be plutonium dust all over the place

    And significant numbers of people sick and dying of radiation sickness, which doesn’t appear to be happening.

    Remember a nuke delivers its energy via radiation

    Actually, at least according to Freeman Dyson, most of the devastation is caused by heat and blast. But, that is a minor point, because, as you’ve stated, there ain’t no radioactivity, which there most definitely would be in case of a nuclear explosion. So, if there was a “weapon” involved, it would necessarily be a chemical explosive.

    Personally, absent hard evidence to the contrary, I am inclined to believe the massive explosion was due to negligence and incompetence, as opposed to malicious intent. Occam’s razor. But, who knows?

    At this point, it appears to me that the exact nature of the explosion is significantly less important than what happens politically and economically in Lebanon, going forward. From what I’ve read, one very urgent need appears to be food.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  59. Jmaie says:

    Here and in several other articles it is stated that the port was devastated, yet the container handling area seems undamaged. So the large majority of international trade will continue as is…

  60. @dimples

    Thanks for the links to the pics! I wish I knew more about explosives but just from the twelve or so bags in the picture, a total of 2,750 of them would have to be spread out over a fairly large area. I just can’t see it all detonating with such uniformity as to result in the single large blast that appears in the videos.

  61. @Sulu

    ‘… I also wonder why the hell the dumb fucks at the port didn’t just dump the Ammonium Nitrate in the sea and let the sea water dilute it…’

    Ammonium Nitrate is perfectly good fertilizer.

    If my impressions of Lebanon are correct, probably the port officials were dragging their feet until everyone forgot about the contents of that warehouse and they could quietly make an illicit sale and pocket a few bucks.

    • Agree: Hibernian
    • Replies: @Sulu
  62. Trinity says:

    Follow the 5 Dancing Shlomos.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  63. @turtle

    ‘… Personally, absent hard evidence to the contrary, I am inclined to believe the massive explosion was due to negligence and incompetence, as opposed to malicious intent. Occam’s razor. But, who knows?’

    Meh. I doubt if Ammonium Nitrate goes ‘boom’ just because.

    The stuff is used all over the world — and I doubt it’s always handled with scrupulous care. Yet we don’t have random Indian villages and things suddenly being obliterated. You evidently need to do something pretty impressive to make Ammonium Nitrate blow up.

    • Replies: @turtle
  64. 2005 – The false-flag killing of Hariri failed to disarm Hezbollah.

    2006 – The war Israel planned and waged on Hezbollah failed to destroy Hezbollah.

    2020 – The IMF, US, France et al. want government reforms in Lebanon. Meaning: no Hezbollah. The explosion at the port is serving as another false-flag for that purpose. Macron showing up the next day, the US calling for a ‘soft’ regime change, etc weren’t coincidental.

    The creation of the Shiite Crescent in the Middle East by Iran and backed by the US Deep State is another angle worth considering in relation to the Beirut incident.

    “Iran from anti-imperialist to imperialist again”
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article210695.html

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @Joe Levantine
    , @Iris
  65. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @dimples

    Now I know Israel’s bloody claws are all over this attack on Beirut when we start hearing, “Oops, the first lie had holes, so let’s try this lie one for size.”
    The way the Zionist dominated MSM started blabbing right after the attack that it was fertilizer improperly stored–shiftless Arabs, naturally–was the first clue that Israel attacked Beirut.

    A photo taken before the explosion shows the stuff contained in 1000kg bulk bags labelled as ‘Nitroprill HD’. Apparently this is a knock-off or clone of Nitropril, an explosive made by Orica.

    And like the Israeli masterminded 9/11 false flag, the attack on Lebanon will NOT be properly investigated, unless the Dutch send some of their Sherlock Holmes types fresh off of blaming Russia for the jetliner that was shot down by Zionist pigs and NOT Russia.

    Look at these vids of that attack and notice how the distorted air turned opaque in both the Beirut attack and the one filmed in Iraq:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/solidas6/status/1290772610071113730

    Hell yes it was Israel or maybe Nuttyahoo told his bed partner President Kushner to attack Beirut.

    As long as we no longer have a functioning media–Unz.com excepted–there will be more of these ‘fertilizer’ explosions.

    Why not? Israel has been getting away with mass murder, war crimes and crimes against humanity ever since those Pale of the Settlement & German Jews started moving there in 1933.
    After all, who will hold Israel accountable?

    My guess is that these psychotic terrorists will hit Gaza next with this weapon and the MSM will be reporting that it was a Hamas bomb factory that blew up.

    • Agree: Robjil
  66. Under some circumstances ammonium nitrate though usually stable certainly IS an explosive by itself. I guess the author didn’t have time to look that up.

    Why would Hezbollah store weapons in an area not under their control, indeed in an area which according to the author is easily accessible to JEWS?

    It’s easy to have a knee-jerk response of “Jew! Jew! Jew!” but it’s a fallacy to cry “Jew!” when simple stupidity suffices as an explanation. Sand N’ers aren’t infallible, the do mess things up from time to time.

    On a scale of 1 to “241 dead Marines” there’s nothing to see here.

    • Troll: Trinity
  67. chuckywiz says:
    @A123

    If fertilizer is involved? Where did the energy to cause explosion come from. Welding? or Static or someone was smoking or whatever. You must have a trigger for ignition. Ignore all the distraction, Hazbullah, Israelis blah blah.
    Take the TNT equivalent 2700 or 3000 tons (hope it does not start climbing in the future) do the pressure wave calculations and that would be easy to bury some speculations.

    Sounds building 7 being revisited.

    • Replies: @A123
  68. @Anonymous

    Since Israel was unarguably responsible for the USS Liberty and 9-11; since Wall Street is unarguably responsible for our economic woes; and, since Hollywood is responsible like no other entity for America’s moral degeneracy, it follows the entire government is a charade providing meme encapsulation of the interests of Israel and organized Jewry, like but worse than the roach inside the farmer’s body in Men in Black or, say, the insect parasite Ampulex compressa that takes over its much larger prey’s antenna and so the prey’s contact with external reality much in the way the 100% kosher MSM does the minds of Americans.

    You nailed it, Jews/Israel is a parasite that took over the host. That reminds of Eustace Mullins book The Biological Jew. The host (USA/Western Civlization doesn’t know it is being assimilated, eaten from the inside out by the parasite. There is this wasp that lays eggs on a caterpillar, when they hatch the wasp larvae eats the caterpillar alive. This is exactly what the ADL is doing, getting billions during the coronahoax that the Jewstream media hyped.

    Amerika is going down in flames, and waiting for Jesus (or a new Hitler) to make her great again, in the meantime things are going to get really bad.

    Here is a perfect graphic of the Zionist parasite eating out Amerika:

    • Agree: Druid55
  69. @Majority of One

    Secondly, the Oklahoma City Murrah building incident has long been considered by researchers as having been blasted by pre-planted explosives located in a part of the structure that was in a different part of the building than the rental truck containing the AN.

    Here is information on the cover up of the Murrah Building. Part of it is the report of a retired USAF Brigadier General who called bullshit on the “two ton fertilizer bomb” theory.
    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm

    I’m not a munitions expert by any stretch of the imagination, but part of the report deals with how explosions work. If that is transferable to the situation in Beirut, it seems unlikely there would be a crater.

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @jsinton
  70. @Happy Tapir

    I suspect it was an accident, given that the initial fire raged for so long before the main explosion. Why would attacker use such a method?

    Israel uses the double tap method on a regular basis. The purpose of the initial fire is a ruse to blame it on AN, not the nuke that followed. It is a false flag bombing per say. The blame is put on incompetent Arabs not the real perps. They also are trying to blame Hizbollah bomb factory.

    Note: no fertilzer has to be present, that is just the narrative, the cover story.

    The finger is not pointing at the most likely suspect which is Netanyahu the mad bomber.

    You always have to have a patsy or an alibi, with 911 it was Arab hijackers that were groomed for the job – but did not do the job because you can not trust some hacks to pull off 911 and start the war of terror.

    • Replies: @Happy Tapir
  71. @Trinity

    Which 5? There are hundreds of “5 Dancing Shlomos” troupes.
    https://www.texemarrs.com/082012/sayanim_everywhere.htm

    • Thanks: Trinity
  72. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @turtle

    what do I actually know took place in Beirut on the 4th of August 2020?

    a huge Blast the cause of which is known but not who or what set it off..or whether there was a nuclear device involved. we know lots of Lebanese died and were injured in the process. we also know there was great physical devastation in the region of the blast.

    in the huge media coverage that is on-going little has been established as the state of the region of Lebanon devastated, the nature of the health damage to Lebanese who have been affected..whether nuclear radiation is a part of the aftermath of the blast or not.

    and there is a clear impression, not contested at all, as to how the the material that exploded got into Lebanon. and I have been trying to locate the source of that material, where it was loaded unto the ship and why and how it got to the Lebanon when it was supposedly intended for Zimbabwe?

    I don’t use Google so I asked DuckDuckGo to tell me where I can buy nitrates in large quantities in eastern europe it responded with tons of links to the Beirut explosion and european history of traditional nation state rivalries..but nowhere I can buy a shipload of nitrates

    so if our ship with its captain and crew of 3 loaded up in the Black Sea, came through the Aegean and headed south to the Suez and ran into trouble, there were Crete, Cyprus long before Beirut to look for help. I mean Beirut is out of his way in any emergency.

    I mean even Tel Aviv and Jerusalem were more convenient for him to sail into for assistance.

    and before those two it would made even more sense to struggle-on to Suez itself, for help.

    Lebanon is out of the equation period as a logical and reachable port of assistance that made sense for that ship, given its stated purpose and destination. I mean south is your direction not east..SOUTH!!! so the Aegean, Levant, Suez/Red Sea, Indian Ocean then down the coast of East Africa, through the Comoros and Mozambique Channel to a Mozambique port that would accept goods for land-locked Zimbabwe.

    there were at least 5 ports of call for assistance before Beirut could even be logically considered for assistance

    so no matter where that ship was loaded, delivering nitrates to Beirut, the Lebanese off-loading it and parking it in their heart of hearts makes absolutely no senses at all

    that Zimbabwe story for that ship makes no sense at all. it is probably a lie! as I said it does not matter where in europe – west or east.. or in Russia -that that ship was loaded up, with an African destination… for it to end up in Lebanon is ridiculous

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @anon
  73. @El Dato

    “Remember a nuke delivers its energy via radiation”

    Let’s see, how to put this? Could you be any more WRONG?

  74. turtle says:
    @Colin Wright

    You evidently need to do something pretty impressive to make Ammonium Nitrate blow up.

    I attempted to make that point in the comments to Pepe Escobar’s article, and was scolded by a self-appointed “expert” as being “stupid, ignorant, and dishonest.”

    The spectacular industrial accidents appear to be somewhat uncommon in modern times, although they do happen, with devastating consequences.

    I will stand by my statement that, going forward, it is likely more important to consider the economic and political consequences to Lebanon than to spend time trying to solve a “whodunit.” If Lebanon, and Beirut, are as corrupt as some people say, then it seems to me you might be headed down the rabbit hole, never to emerge with much useful information.

    Clearly, there are some sick folks who live south of Lebanon’s (present) southern border who are creaming their jeans over this, but that may, or may not, mean they had anything to do with it. No doubt, whether they did or not, they will attempt to use it to their advantage, including the possibility of attempting conquest of Lebanese territory, at least as far north as the Litani river. Water rights, and water supply, are central to their territorial aspiration.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  75. Agent76 says:

    The issue and problem is the same all across the planet. Government incompetence!

    Aug 6, 2020 Beirut explosion: Angry residents rage at leaders after blast

    People in Beirut have expressed anger at the government over what they say was negligence that led to Tuesday’s huge explosion.

    • Disagree: Majority of One
  76. @dimples

    Interesting, but there are some questions arising:
    – are the photos of “Hanger 12” verifiable?
    – where was the knockoff manufactured?
    – did the ship’s log verify that the cargo was loaded anywhere near the manufacturing plant where the knock-off was made?

    If the photo is verifiable, it questions the official narrative that the ship

    was supposedly destined for a Mozambican company that produced commercial explosives

  77. turtle says:
    @anon

    Lebanese off-loading it and parking it in their heart of hearts [for seven years] makes absolutely no sense at all

    Agree.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  78. ‘…If Lebanon, and Beirut, are as corrupt as some people say, then it seems to me you might be headed down the rabbit hole, never to emerge with much useful information…’

    Shades of the Jewish Community Center bombing in Argentina. That one went on forever. As far as I know, it’s still going on.

    • Replies: @UncommonGround
  79. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    the simple circumstantial logic in all of this is that this was indeed an Israeli operation..that the Israeli intelligence insinuated a bomb into the heart of Lebanon and blew that nation sky high when they were ready to do it

    there is a nuclear bomb or coverage all over the place including on the Unz right here for example. but none of it stands to simple comparative physical facts on the ground like the story of the ship ending up in Beirut for assistance on its way to Zimbabwe.

    so the whole coverage, all the stories including even those right this here on the Unz Review right now, are all lies…ALL LIES!

    so if they are indeed all lies there is a central orchestrating factor with the power to create narrative they want in the popular mind and they are at it globally. and the fact that we are witnessing lies means that there is a nefarious intent at the heart of it to cover for a willful act of war on a grand scale

    that is the logic of the moment..until harder proof is available

  80. A123 says:
    @chuckywiz

    If fertilizer is involved? Where did the energy to cause explosion come from. Welding? or Static or someone was smoking or whatever. You must have a trigger for ignition.

    Sounds building 7 being revisited.

    Based on the bags marked Nitroprill HD, this was the more compressed High Density form of NH4-NO3 intended for use as an explosive in industrial mining.

    The energy that caused the NH4-NO3 to go off was Iranian al’Hezbollah ammunition stored in the same warehouse. You can see the white flashes of al’Hezbollah munitions going off 0:02-0:10 in the video.

    What set of the Iranian al’Hezbollah ammunition? Good Question. It could be a stupid welding accident.

    Ignore all the distraction, Hazbullah, Israelis blah blah.

    Failing to confront Nasrallah’s corruption, enables Iranian al’Hezbollah deception efforts. The best time to confront the Muslim War Criminal problem is now.

    Iranian al’Hezbollah is 100% responsible for the NASRALLAH-SHIMA blast.

    — Iranian al’Hezbollah stored 3,000,000 kg of dangerous material in their warehouse.
    — Iranian al’Hezbollah stored ammunition (Or possibly very large fireworks) next to the NH4-NO3.
    — Iranian al’Hezbollah did not properly secure their munitions depot, allowing the ammunition accident to happen.
    _____

    Even after the NASRALLAH-SHIMA blast, it does not look like cleaning up Muslim corruption will happen. Government officials are resigning, saying that they cannot achieve any reforms due to Iranian al’Hezbollah intransigence.

    Partitioning Lebanon into 2 countries seems likely at this point.
    — North Lebanon — Muslim
    — South Lebanon — Christian & Druze

    PEACE 😇

  81. @anonymous

    “ Of course, there is one actor that is right next door; that threatens Hezbollah and Lebanon regularly; that has repeatedly attacked Lebanon, showing willingness to kill civilians and to destroy infrastructure; that overflies Lebanon all the time, shooting off missile, mostly into Syria; that has access to the highest technology available; that also has extensive spy and subversion networks in the region; etc.. Israel should be considered guilty until proven innocent. Israel might even be innocent this time. I’d have to see that proven to believe it, though.”

    After 72 years of Israel existence, all neighbouring states including Lebanon have every right to presume Israeli responsibility until Israel can prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt.

    “People seem to think that the demonstrations in Beirut tell us that the people of Lebanon blame the government and Hezbollah. Maybe so, but they look more like the latest ‘color revolution’, like the ‘official narrative’, ready to roll.“

    Colour Revolution is a prime weapon in the hands of the empire. Unfortunately, neither the Americans who bought the 9/11 narrative hook, line and sinker nor the Lebanese, who BTW have every reason to distrust the corrupt Lebanese political establishment, have managed to develop the kind of mind that can level with the wickedness and evil psychopathy of the empire. Societies where too much action in pursuit of money and pleasure is the name of the game, lack the calm reflection that is necessary to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    What we can say for sure is that a state like Israel that was built on pillaging and terror will never change its modus operandi notwithstanding peace mutterings from some of her disgruntled citizens. One of Lebanon’s founding fathers Michel Shiha, predicted close to Israel’s creation that this state would one day destabilise the world.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
    • Thanks: Druid55, Robjil
    • Replies: @jsinton
    , @Hiram of Tyre
  82. Hibernian says:
    @turtle

    The continuing chaos of Lebanon is a plausible explanation.

    • Replies: @turtle
  83. jsinton says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I’m not a munitions expert by any stretch of the imagination, but part of the report deals with how explosions work. If that is transferable to the situation in Beirut, it seems unlikely there would be a crater.

    Actually, I have some insight as to how the crater was formed. The sea depth drops off rather quickly on the north coast of Beirut. I know this because I spent many a day snorkeling out there . Sometimes you can find ancient ruins and columns. It gets really deep really fast. The land the warehouse was built on was reclaimed land. Land which is reclaimed is built by building a stone or concrete ring which is then filled with sand or other lose dirt. So it’s entirely possible that the explosion left an enormous crater and even likely in my judgement.

  84. jsinton says:

    What everyone seems to ignore is the reaction we’re seeing from Hezbollah. They’ve adopted a “wait and see” position, which is highly unusual for them since anything to them is a Zionist conspiracy. After viewing the al-Manar TV website for a few days, it looks to me like they are trying to memory hole the whole thing and downplay the disaster. This indicates a couple things to me:

    They probably fully intended to use the ammonium nitrate to build bombs, and they got caught by surprise.

    They are afraid that the event will cause them to lose power and want it to go away as fast as possible.

    They want to control the narrative as much as possible because they are feeling the pressure and it makes them feel guilty.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  85. I’m not a huge supporter of Veterans Today, however VT Gordon Duff has been all over this story, and has presented several articles with, (alleged), video proof of an identifiable, Israeli nuclear tipped missile. Duff has gone so far as to confidently claim the first explosion (fireworks?) was caused by a conventional missile, followed by the nuke launched from an Israeli F16. I’m certainly no photographic expert, or of munitions either, but the infra-red pictures seem legit. Just wondering why Phil didn’t refer to it? https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/10/breaking-israel-nukes-beirut/

    Phil’s CIA background may have influenced him a bit. It’s hard to curb old habits. He clearly states that Hezbollah had no weapons at the port, and further on in the article implies they did. The little I know of todays nuclear weapons includes knowledge that certain types of so called mini-nukes leave very little radiation, and what it leaves is gone in 72 hours, Gordon Duff did say something about radiation, and included a graph from a European agency which shows a spike.

    • Replies: @L.K
  86. Antiwar7 says:

    The subtitle asks

    Was it an accident or a warning?

    Maybe it was neither of those two. Maybe it was an economic attack, like sanctions, or an epidemic. Because if so, whoever it was chose a very tough economic time for Lebanon during which to unleash it.

    What are the odds of that, Ron Unz?

  87. @Vetran

    One can discern no fewer than three FACES in the Syrian explosion. There is but one in the second and I cannot understand why the nose does not particularly resemble Bibi’s. Somebody messed up in the composition.

    • Disagree: Agent76
    • Replies: @Vetran
  88. Talking about “Occum’s razor” rule that often is referred as some sort of magic wand.
    At first glance “the simplest explanation is most cases is the correct one” sounds
    great and reasonable. But …
    Let’s say you’re walking in a forest on a beautiful sunny day and see a tall tree with a
    couple of broken branches far from the ground (i.e., unreachable for a man).
    The simplest explanation coming to mind would be “some animals or big birds did it”.
    Correct? Not really, if there’s a war or pre-war situation with the neighboring country.
    Then the first thought will be “parachutist(s)”. One might not be able to prove it, without
    finding the parachute(s), but it won’t change the right of such version to be valid or even
    leading, especially if some important object was blown up recently not too far from that
    forest.
    Same sort of “not Occum’s” logic is exercised by detectives dealing with serial killers,
    or some other sort of maniacs.
    And even less any logic giving preference to simplicity should be exercised when dealing
    with super powerful psychopaths running this world. Don’t know about everybody
    (though accelerating understanding of such gloomy reality by people worldwide is clearly
    visible on the web), but as a TI with 8 yrs of experience I have absolutely no doubts
    about such conspiracy to exist. Neither I have doubts about the digital signatures all
    crimes or psyops committed by these maniacs are stamped with. (And I’m not talking
    about anything that can be characterized as “may be”).

  89. @anon

    Whenever the finger is pointed at Hezbollah, the primary protector of the Lebanese people and state, my alarm bells start ringing.

    Awakening people right across the globe know the identity of the real perps, whether or not that identity could be proven in a court of law without a doubt. This was likely not a wholly independent initiative by the entity occupying terrorized Palestine. It has all the earmarks of the financier cabal headed by the founders of the Zionist state, the Rothschild Crime Clan and their affiliates as well, quite possibly by the deepest, most occulted, ranks of the schemers; the Sanhedrin and other elements of the Babylonian Blood Brotherhood.

    • Replies: @jsinton
  90. Ben_C says:

    Phil,

    The mainstream media and Israelis have already explained to me this this was a freak accident involving cargo originally from a Russian ship, cheap fireworks manufactured in China, and repairs being performed that should have been done years ago. Case closed.

    Why are you always so compelled to go down these rabbit holes?

  91. @Yukon Jack

    Yeah, I’m aware of that possibility. It could also be that when your country has been converted to a war zone full of refugees and controlled in places by paragovernmental militias that it becomes difficult to maintain the infrastructure and deal with circumstances.

  92. DaveE says:

    I won’t argue that this has all the appearances of a typical Israeli / zionist attack, that seems quite obvious to anyone over age 10 on 9/11/2001. What I’d like to add is that this attack is probably INTENDED to be blamed on Israel, as pretext for their NEXT false-flag operation, probably against America, Israel’s chief enabler.

    The destruction of the Beirut port, by itself, doesn’t do very much to further the overall zionist agenda of world- takeover, tikkun olam and all. But it provides the perfect pretext for an attack, by Israel, on the Port of Seattle (as an example) , to be blamed on Hezbollah, Iran or whoever else Zion designates as patsy-of-the-month.

    Result = WWIII, Zion’s ultimate goal.

    • Agree: Robjil
  93. Anonymous[761] • Disclaimer says:
    @kikz

    This is an excellent point since abandoned cargoes of all sorts are, first of all, a common and routine matter for port authorities and shipping lines, and, second, they’re sold or disposed of quickly to free up the space, but also avoid degradation of the cargo to the point it cannot be easily disposed of or hauled to the dump. Even if the tariff for this sort of semi-bulk bagged cargo was only $1 a day/tonne, the cargo would have been sold way before one year had gone by. Something stinks.

  94. L.K says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    The creation of the Shiite Crescent in the Middle East by Iran and backed by the US Deep State is another angle worth considering in relation to the Beirut incident.

    This is nonsense.

    After reading several tirades by this fellow Tierry Meyssan about the Iranian help to Syria – without which Assad and Syria would not have survived – I have come to the conclusion this guy is up to NO GOOD. Disinformation agent.

    • Agree: jsinton
  95. @A123

    Anyone who believes this Shlomo obviously has their cranium lodged securely within their golden gate.

    • Agree: Druid55
  96. I wonder how long and how many more destroyed countries it takes for the Arabs to wake up.

  97. L.K says:
    @the grand wazoo

    I’m not a huge supporter of Veterans Today, however VT Gordon Duff has been all over this story

    Gordon Duff is a DISINFORMATION agent. He has openly admitted that much of what appears at VT, including a LOT of his own writing is totally or partly FALSE.

    In 2011, Duff and Jim Dean even fully supported Obama/NATO regime change operation against Libya, to the point of fabricating a lot of atrocity propaganda & lashing out against some of his own writers and readers who disagreed. Unless they deleted all of this, there should be an electronic record of this at their own website.

    “About thirty percent of what is on Veterans Today is patently false. About forty percent of what I write is at least purposely partially false, because if I didn’t write false information, I wouldn’t be alive. I simply have to do that.”
    – Gordon Duff, Senior Editor of Veterans Today

    Gordon Duff: 9-11 Disinfo Toad / Updated June 2, 2014
    https://bollyn.com/the-antidote-for-disinfo/#article_14934

    • Agree: DaveE, Robjil
    • Thanks: jsinton
    • Replies: @DaveE
    , @Majority of One
  98. @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks a Chuck, well thought and well stated.

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
  99. jsinton says:
    @Joe Levantine

    After 72 years of Israel existence, all neighbouring states including Lebanon have every right to presume Israeli responsibility until Israel can prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt.

    So guilty until proven innocent? Methinks not. In this case it’s 10 Little Indians. Nothing but likely suspects.

  100. @A123

    I infer that clearly you are a dual citizen of some kind, based on your other comments.

    • Replies: @A123
  101. jsinton says:
    @Majority of One

    Whenever the finger is pointed at Hezbollah, the primary protector of the Lebanese people and state, my alarm bells start ringing.

    Primary protector of the Lebanese state? I would say you either no nothing about politics in Lebanon, willing to believe whatever anti-Zionist propaganda they dish out, or your a Hezbollah shill. In any event be sure that half of Lebanon hates Nasrallah and Hezbollah and wants to see them hanged. The state within a state will one day lead to the total destruction of Lebanon, and the Lebanese know it. It’s a powder keg waiting to explode.

    • Troll: L.K
    • Replies: @A123
    , @L.K
  102. turtle says:
    @Hibernian

    “continuing chaos” = “many senseless things happening”
    Sounds plausible to me…

  103. My thinking as of now is summed up in this exchange I had elsewhere.

    My interlocutor:

    ‘I believe the original story was a fire in a fireworks warehouse. I assumed, perhaps totally on my own, that the conflagration simply spread to the fertilizer storage, where aged packing materials and poor ventilation had led to a build up of flammable gas/particulates.’

    Me:

    ‘That’s entirely possible. If Hitler’s little helpers weren’t always up to these sort of games, it would be the most probable explanation.

    If you find your cat dead, apparently poisoned, absent other data, it’d be reasonable to assume he found some rat poison somewhere.

    If you’re at war with your neighbor, other possibilities can be reasonably entertained. This is particularly likely if you know he shot your dog with a pellet rifle last week.’

  104. @Hiram of Tyre

    “ Macron showing up the next day, the US calling for a ‘soft’ regime change…”

    Sad to see the Lebanese giving Macron, an ex Rothschild banker and a diehard globalist, the hero’s welcome, treating him as their wailing wall. It looks like the Lebanese are caught between the rock of totally dysfunctional governance and the hard place of neo colonialism. Yes indeed, the sequence of events is a bit surrealistic. Shock and awe through covert action, followed by the MSM finger pointing, directly or subliminally, at Hizbollah as the primary suspect of being the beneficiary of the AN, followed by angry demonstrations spurred by a social media campaign that puts all the blame on the one and only villain who has proven his metal as the only worthy opponent of the Zionist criminal enterprise called Israel. It all smells like the rat of a colour revolution.

    The empire is a resourceful entity whose criminal mind knows no bounds.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  105. @pq

    ‘… You have to wonder why British security specialists are putting out disinfo.
    2,7000 tons of AN would need to be saturated with 162 tons of diesel fuel (properly mixed) plus high explosives to start the detonation as well as a charge. If it were that easy to detonate AN mining companies would just throw a few bags of fertilizer, a few bags of fireworks, get the fire going and then go off to enjoy some beers.
    Why waste money on the fuel oil? that’s the FO in ANFO.

    How could you possibly do that BY ACCIDENT?’

    It seems to be doable.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ammonium_nitrate_disasters

    • Replies: @pq
  106. SafeNow says:

    If this was an accident, the immediate cause was probably someone doing two things at the same time. A friend of mine was an accident engineer, and used to tell me that trying to do two things at the same time is the most common cause of accidents. Thus, for example, someone was using a blow torch, and his phone rang, maybe it’s his girlfriend calling to say she is feeling lonely, better get it.

  107. What no one is talking about is that this attack has all the hellmarks of a classic “double tap” bombing that Israelis (and the Saudis, CIA) use all of the time. The double tap is meant to take out extra valuable personel while waging total war (Old Testament style).

    The United Nations alleged that the Saudi-led coalition had violated international humanitarian law because the bombing was a ‘double tap’ attack, or a type of airstrike where the first bombing is followed by a second one soon after, with the aim of targeting the wounded, aid workers, and medical personnel tending to them.

    Outrage at CIA’s deadly ‘double tap’ drone attacks

    As the drone circled it let off the first of its Hellfire missiles, slamming into a small house and reducing it to rubble. When residents rushed to the scene of the attack to see if they could help they were struck again.

    According to reports at the time, three local rescuers were killed by a second missile whilst a further strike killed another three people five minutes later.

    First you bomb a civilian apartment complex, you claim it is harboring terrorists. When the medical first responders show up you drop a bigger bomb, take out the whole block, the response vehicles, everyone. This is highly demoralizing, and because the Jews control the press they ignore the story or paint it over making the perps the victims.

    This latest nuking double tap is exactly their playbook, a false flag fire as cover for the nuke which is blamed on fertilizer which may or may not be there. You can’t exactly determine if it was there now because it is a smoking crater. A false flag bombing double tap is how you get away scott free with a nuke. The nuking of the port is the goal of the operation, destroy the ability to import food, destroy the grain silo. The military planners know a direct attack it to risky, so they need a ruse, a fire, AN, some way to obfuscate the real perps and motive.

    Here is my The No Fertilizer Theory (which is like the no hijacker theory on 9-11-2001)
    https://centralbankinginsanity.wordpress.com/2020/08/10/the-no-fertilizer-theory/

    Oh lookie see, a big fire in a warehouse. Fireworks going off then boom, mushroom cloud. The media jumps on, that big explosion was Ammonium Nitrate, it went boom. Don’t believe your yes, believe our lies the MSM screams. Anyone questioning the official AN narrative is a kooky conspiracy theorist. Israel then offers help to the very people it is trying to exterminate, uh huh, sure – that is chutzpah bigtime. Israel is the doer feigning moral superiority when it has no morals whatsoever. 300,000 people are now homeless. Think what they might do to us with this insane covid shutdown on a hoax.

    The Zionists want all the Arabs gone from Greater Israel, so they have a perfectly good motive to bomb Beirut, and they have been doing it for a long time. How many times has the IDF violated their airspace, launched missile attacks from Lebanon airspace at Syrian targets? They have invaded with tanks more than once over minor incidents. They want Lebanon fractured, broken, and destroyed just as they want to do to Syria, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Amerika.

    The fact is Israel and Netanyahu are the prime suspects, but what is being discussed ad nauseum on all these sites like Unz? Fertilizer. Are you sure there was any AN in the warehouse? Who is telling you that story? Liars. Known mother f-cking liars, the same ones who told you the 911 narrative which is utter horseshit.

    Israel also wants all the Western nations destroyed. So one way they move forward with their goals is to make so much mayhem and destruction that millions of people from the Middle East leave forever, go to western states like European nations and subvert them from the inside. Think of Illhan Omar, she is not interested in becoming Christian and assimilating into White Christian Minnesota, no, she wants us to change to her brand, like becoming Muslim, black supremacy, and marrying your brother.

    Her values are not our values, which is why she is promoted by the Communist Left. Her hometown Minneapolis is now a shithole. Ding, ding, ding, do you get it? She is a subversive agent brought in to wreck your town and your nation. How insane it was to bring Saharan Muslim desert demons into freezing cold Minnesota. How cruel is that to both peoples?

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Sulu
  108. Druid55 says:
    @Lot

    They didn’t. It’s only when you evil satanist/talmudists started your evil there at the dawn of the last century that they had such huge cause for complaint. Hopefully your time will come soon and you’ll reap what you’ve sewn, you zio pos!

  109. cassandra says:
    @Pft

    Also the ammonium Nitrate was mixed with diesel fuel (ANFO) which is the fuel.

    I don’t believe the AN in this case was mixed with diesel, though it would enhance the explosion, as in Oklahoma City, for instance. I do take your point about confinement and packing, though.

    But even the Nitrpril “explosive” below seems only to be a pelletized version of vanilla AN, without additives.

  110. @L.K

    No clue what “tirades” you are referring to or how it makes you conclude that he is a disinformation agent; but I respect your opinion. Didn’t Iran help in Syria?

    A lot of things seem like nonsense. For instance, that the Muslim Brotherhood was created by the British Intelligence (and modeled on the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry) to serve British interests in Muslim nations. The mullahs in Iran are part of that Muslim Brotherhood – enthroned to keep Iran backwards economically and culturally. When Trump threatened to label the organization as “terrorist”, Rouhani’s uterus collapsed. Why?

    Iran is not monolithic. There is a faction aligned with the US and one that isn’t. Why do you think the Rouhani clan hoped that Hillary came to power? So much for “Death to America”. Equally so much for “Death to Israel” when both Israel and Iran exploit — side by side — the Ashkelon pipeline.

    • Replies: @L.K
  111. A123 says:
    @Happy Tapir

    I infer that clearly you are a dual citizen of some kind, based on your other comments.

    No. I just see the TRUTH about the followers of Satan/Allah.

    Muhammad Raped Aisha when she was 9. Therefore, Islam accepts Paedophilia as normal behaviour.

    Why do you think George IslamoSoros and his Open Muslim Society Foundation push sexual deviancy? The IslamoSoros reveres Baby Raper Muhammad as a role model.

    Separating Muslims from all other faiths will not make the followers of Satan/Allah behave better. But, they will have to settle for raping Muslim children and murdering other Muslims. Christian children and families will be protected from harm.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Greg Bacon
    , @Druid55
    , @anon
  112. utu says:
    @dimples

    Original Nitropril from Orica (Australia) is 99% Ammonium Nitrate. Was Russian/Georgian Nitropril ‘imitation’ the same?

    http://www.oricaminingservices.com/au/en/product/products_and_services/bulk_systems/nitropril/56

    NitroprilTM is a low density porous prilled grade of ammonium nitrate specifically formulated for use as an oxidizer in blasting agents.

    NitroprilTM is a strong oxidizing substance, which will react with organic materials, reducing agents and metal powders. Whilst not combustible on its own, NitroprilTM supports combustion and increases the intensity of a fire.

    NitroprilTM is not readily detonated in unconfined conditions, but will react with materials such as strong reducing agents and metal powders.

    When heated to decomposition, NitroprilTM produces nitrous oxide and white ammonium nitrate mist and or brown fumes. Brown fumes indicate the presence of toxic oxides of nitrogen

    • Replies: @dimples
  113. utu says:
    @Yukon Jack

    The three targets Netanyahu has marked on his map are at least 4 miles away from the warehouse in Beirut port.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  114. @Joe Levantine

    Joe Levantine explained: “The empire is a resourceful entity whose criminal mind knows no bounds.”

    Cunning, they always have plausinle deniability.

    When allowed, even President Trumpstein can tell the awful truth.

    Thanks, Joe. You are resourceful.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  115. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @A123

    Even after the NASRALLAH-SHIMA blast, it does not look like cleaning up Muslim corruption will happen

    If you had said cleaning up Israeli corruption will not happen, you’d correct.

    Look at your corruption-riddled PM, Nuttyahoo who is currently under indictment for various frauds relating to those German subs, a tele-com bid and something to do with anudda’ way Israelis have figured out to fleece the Goyim.
    The only reasons Nuttyahoo isn’t in prison is because he used the Corona Covid hysteria to shut down public meetings, warning of millions of deaths unless he was able to shut down meetings.
    Which he did, including his corruption trials.

    Speaking of Covid A123, maybe you can explain how Israel’s biological warfare unit, IIBR was working on a Covid vaccine BEFORE this blew up into a planet-wide shakedown?

    Then Nuttyahoo uses Covid as an excuse to stop his corruption trials?

    Something smells and it’s not gefilte fish.

    Israeli Scientists Claim It’s ‘Pure Luck’ They Were Already Working On A COVID-19 Vaccine Prior To The Outbreak

    “Let’s call it pure luck,”
    he said. “We decided to choose coronavirus as a model for our system just as a proof of concept for our technology.”

    https://christiansfortruth.com/israeli-scientists-claim-its-pure-luck-they-were-already-working-on-a-covid-19-vaccine-prior-to-the-outbreak/

    Such luck!

  116. A123 says:
    @jsinton

    You are correct.

    The poster Majority of One Minority of Zero is both a sub-80 IQ moron and a paid shill for Nasrallah. I added this creature to my blocked commenters list so I do not have to see the deranged ranting and incoherent gibbering.

    You may want to do the same.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @jsinton
  117. @El Dato

    Anyone who thinks there is a “tactical nuke” involved should have his head examined pronto. There would be plutonium dust all over the place, especially at such low yield.

    Question to El Dato No. 38 did you or anyone you know go out and take air or soil samples immediately after the explosion or even till this date, to measure plutonium or any other nuclear reaction isotope?? Do you know type of nuclear fuel source may have been used or is typically used in such mini nukes these days?? Or which decay isotopes that are likely to be given off??? Where is your data to refute a nuclear chain reaction device, mini at that (6000 kg tnt equivalent according to VT’s experts).

    Comments being posted that say cannot be a nuclear device because a lack of radiation, are not based on either up to date information on current generation of ‘low rad’ nuke devices nor on collected residual chemical sampling from the site.

    VT has done a remarkable job in collecting information on the explosion including photographs between explosion 1 and explosion 2, analysis of the explosions and posting radiation readings at the time of the event from IAEA station in Sicily. As a person with a science background with a strong education in chemistry, VT;s reports seem the most consistent, scientifically grounded and evidence supported. All else being posted just seems to be a confused mush of opinions or purposely seeded misinformation.

    VT has also given some short course outlines on modern nukes that are the mini variety and low level nuke devices that might have been employed here. Most of what I am reading from the posted replies and comments on Ron Unz are just opinions that are all over the place: they ignore the facts and physical sciences. I think that VT’s manager has done an excellent summary in their recent summary of the key information and evidence on the Beirut event:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/10/intel-drop-briefing-on-beirut-36-hours-old/

    Phil Giraldi has not addressed the real information and arguments being put out on this event, like the missile strike and nuclear type weapon. This makes me wonder why in this and recent articles he seems to be pulling back from his reputation as a Truth Warrior. Giraldi needs to address VT’s analysis point by point rather than repeat MSM disinfo, which is full of assumptions that we are told to accept.

    The Ammonium Nitrate Accident Argument has no basis as the cause of this massive explosion beyond possibly acting as fuel for the first explosion and raging fire which VT has demonstrated was probably caused by a first missile (conventional) strike. A second strike by a mini-nuke type is so far the only cause and effect that holds together with the instantaneous nature, areal size, shock wave, white cloud, as well as the spike in radiation recorded at the monitoring station in Italy.

    The numerous photos of supersonic ‘rockets’ photo analyzed by VT as undoctored, are also critical evidence. The Lebanese or other foreign militaries no doubt have radar and satellite data on the event, which could provide further supporting evidence, but no doubt are being held back so as not to add fuel to the fire of a pending and wider conflict.

  118. pq says:
    @Colin Wright

    It isn’t a good idea to rely on wikipedia. Almost none of those accidents happened while in warehouse storage. If you look deeper into them (using real accident investigation sources) there were always other factors and they occurred in enclosed ship holds, in transit, in factories with the presence of other explosives etc.
    The official AN narrative is already falling apart quickly-…they’re moving to AN + illegal weapons ….as if anyone who went to the trouble of acquiring weapons would leave them next to a huge pile of AN and fireworks with no surveillance.
    The whole story makes no sense and the fact that they’re pushing it so hard is a bigger clue than what kind of weapon was deliberately used to create the explosion. There’s zero chance there will be an honest investigation.

  119. L.K says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Didn’t Iran help in Syria?

    Of course it did, but this French guy has constantly criticized Iran’s fundamental role in Syria, have you missed it?

    The mullahs in Iran are part of that Muslim Brotherhood – enthroned to keep Iran backwards economically and culturally.

    Sorry, but this is not true. Later I’ll post info by an Iranian economist i trust, who lives in the US but is not against the government, who explains how Iran, especially when NOT under neoliberals such as the current president, greatly expanded Iran’s infrastructure and industries, despite all them sanctions.

    Iran is not monolithic. There is a faction aligned with the US and one that isn’t.

    This is correct. The Iranian “atlanticists” are much like their Russian counterparts, many of whom are within the ruling party, United Russia.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  120. cassandra says:
    @Peripatetic Itch

    It produced a mushroom cloud and a shock wave that killed roughly 1950 people, most of them more than 1.5 miles from the epicenter of the blast.

    Thanks for this post. I had known that AN fertilizer could explode by itself, so it was unnecessary for it to have been treated or mixed, as some here have suggested.

    But I’m especially interested in the “mushroom cloud”. I’ve looked up images of detonations, and the only photos I’ve found with characteristic button-tops are from nuclear, rather than chemical, examples. Can you add more to the description of this one?

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Peripatetic Itch
  121. Greg Bacon says: • Website
    @A123

    But, they will have to settle for raping Muslim children and murdering other Muslims

    Hey A123, how many shekels does a Mohel Rabbi get when he mutilates a baby boy’s penis, then uses his LIPS to suck off the blood?
    Sane people would say that’s a pedophile orally sodomizing a baby boy, but to Jews, it’s celebration time!

    Then there’s Israel, destination of choice for pedos around the world who flee there when some anti-Semitic DA wants to charge them for raping a child, but the rapist gets inside info and slithers off to Pedoland.

    ‘Tens Of Thousands’ Of Pedophiles Openly Operate In Israel Every Year ‘Without Any Problem’

    “In Israel, tens of thousands of pedophiles operate on a daily basis without any problem,” said Eliran Malki, head of the Matzof Association.

    https://christiansfortruth.com/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-openly-operate-in-israel-every-year-without-any-problem/

    I nor you don’t know what happened 1,000 years ago, but the pedophilia today in Israel is rampant and out of control.

    • Thanks: FLgeezer
  122. L.K says:
    @jsinton

    jsinton == Another ZIONIST SHILL.

    • Replies: @jsinton
  123. Sulu says:
    @Colin Wright

    That makes sense but it is still high stupidity to have that stuff around in large quantity. The World will probably never know if it was an accident or sabotage. And yes I do recall using it as fertilizer when I was a kid. And for other things also.

    Sulu

  124. FB says: • Website

    The best info so far on the Beirut blast…

    I’m glad Mr Giraldi pointed out that Ammonium Nitrate is NOT actually an explosive, but merely an oxidizer…it is like the air in the air-fuel mixture that burns in an engine…

    A bomb can be made out of AN by adding fuel oil or other explosive materials…in the fuel oil bomb, only about six percent is the oil, and 94 percent the AN…

    BUT…here is the interesting part…that AN and fuel needs to be MIXED together…just like air and gasoline must be mixed in a proper ratio to have combustion…

    The fertilizer and the fuel have to be combined in a just the right proportions…or else nothing will happen.

    If they’re not mixed the right way, the detonator could go off, but there will be no explosion. It would just burn…

    John Goodpaster, explosives expert

    So how could those thousands of bags of AN sitting in a warehouse have been MIXED with fuel to make an explosive…?

    It doesn’t make any sense…

    Accidents involving fertilizer explosion are very rare…

    Perhaps the worst such accident was an explosion that occurred in Germany in 1921. Workers at a fertilizer plant were using dynamite to try to break up a large mass of solidified fertilizer that had formed and was clogging up the functioning of the plant…

    In the ensuing explosion, at least 500 people were killed.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Biff
    , @Jazman
  125. @utu

    The three targets Netanyahu has marked on his map are at least 4 miles away from the warehouse in Beirut port.

    Irrelevant.
    We have it on solid authority that the video is fake.

    utu says:
    August 8, 2020 at 6:16 pm GMT • 100 Words ⇑

    Just like the pict of Netanyahu holding map of Beirut harbor turned out to be fake.

    utu says:
    August 8, 2020 at 9:42 pm GMT • 100 Words ⇑

    This is a fake video somebody prepared and many like TrueNews or VoltaireNet were deceived by.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  126. Druid55 says:
    @A123

    You just proved his point. But I don’t think you’re a dual citizen. You only have one citizenship, that of Israell and the evil satanic talmud. Maimonedes said it was ok to have sex with a 3 yo. He also said to kill a Christian if you could get away with it. You’re a 4000yo super/cult, devilish and evil haunting the world. Generally people are good or you and your kind would have been destroyed long ago. F- head jew

    • Replies: @anon
  127. DaveE says:
    @L.K

    Gordon Duff is a DISINFORMATION agent.

    I’ll go one step further. My opinion is that this attack is intended to be blamed on Israel, as pretext for their next false-flag “retaliation”, probably on America.

    The destruction of the target in a false flag attack is not the main goal in and of itself. The main goal is to provoke a retaliation in response to the attack. As for example the Iraq War, Homeland Security, TSA, the Patriot Act, off-the-charts NSA spying etc. were all implemented as a response to Israel’s 9/11 false-flag operation.

    Israel couldn’t give a damn about the destruction of the World Trade Center, but they sure as hell love the destruction of our liberties, Iraq, Libya, Syria etc. that resulted.

    I don’t think we know who the REAL target of this Beirut attack is, yet. But I’ll take two guesses – and the second one don’t count. This one requires another false-flag “retaliation”, however.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  128. Anon[628] • Disclaimer says:

    No. This is all those pigs Hizbullah and their trash ass Iranian sponsors.

    I am not saying Israel wouldn’t attack Lebanon – they have before and they would again but in this case, Lebanese who aren’t in Iran’s pocket or beholden to Hizbullah for their jobs (looking at you Michel Aoun and Nabih Berri) know who did this.

    It is easy, in the Middle East, to paint every issue as an aggression by Israel but the reality is, speaking as a Lebanese person, we made a tremendous amount of bullshit mistakes on our own. First and foremost was leaving Hizbullah armed – they are an arm of Iran and freely admit it. I would like to see the entire sitting government (well, resigned now) including Aoun and Berri hanged for treason, theft, collusion with terrorist entities. I don’t want to see another Hariri prime minister or another Jumblatt minister. Done with them all. They all need to get the f gone.

    • Troll: FB
  129. Sulu says:
    @Yukon Jack

    I agree with you 100% about the ambition of the Jews to wreck the entire World. In the Middle East they use bombs. In America they import genetic trash and allow them in government.

    However, I doubt an actual nuclear weapon was used because the radiation from it would be impossible to hide. I much prefer the theory that the Jews knew the Ammonium Nitrate was there and they decided to use it to full effect. Same effect, no radiation, plausible deniability. Perfect.

    Sulu

  130. jsinton says:
    @L.K

    Tell me more. Make me laugh again.

  131. jsinton says:
    @A123

    I enjoy reading the comments from these people who are either clueless or shills. They make me laugh with their accusations. That’s entertainment. See ya.

  132. A123 says:
    @cassandra

    But I’m especially interested in the “mushroom cloud”. I’ve looked up images of detonations, and the only photos I’ve found with characteristic button-tops are from nuclear, rather than chemical,

    Any sufficiently large explosion can create a mushroom shaped cloud.

    The photo below is non-nuclear. It is from the PEPCON plastic works explosion of 1988.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

  133. ” The two ton “fertilizer bomb” used to destroy the federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995 killing 168 people was, for example, primarily ammonium nitrate.” I thought Giraldi was more knowledgeable than this.
    The “two ton” “fertilizer bomb” cited by Giraldi did next to nothing to the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. A single axle Ryder truck loaded with ammonium nitrate fertilizer and a primer parked some 60 feet from a federal building could barely break windows. The damage was done by expert mining of the steel reinforced columns. The explosives on two of the columns failed and the fire department called the local bomb squad to defuse and remove them. Giraldi’s statement is the standard Clinton era FBI disinformation to hide the actual perpetrators. The best guess is that the OK City false flag attack was a move to defuse the growing militia movement. The building wreckage was cleared away, buried, and is under guard to this day to prevent any real investigation.
    https://www.federaljack.com/bomb-damage-analysis-of-alfred-p-murrah-federal-building/
    “It is impossible that the destruction to the building could have resulted from such a bomb alone.”
    (Brigadier Gen. Bentin K. Partin, USAF – Ret.)

  134. Polemos says:
    @anonymous

    My lying eyes still tell me that a missile strike of some kind was the key event. To my lying eyes there is an unmistakable kinetic impact and an unmistakable flash, an extremely intense flash by the way. We know that experimental weapons have probably been tested in Syria and Iraq. The explosion in Beirut looks like a bunker buster weapon, probably a tactical nuke.

    Can you identify a video and its timestamp for when your lying eyes deceive you? Let us all go down, together!

  135. Polemos says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Comments being posted that say cannot be a nuclear device because a lack of radiation, are not based on either up to date information on current generation of ‘low rad’ nuke devices nor on collected residual chemical sampling from the site.

    Do you have any sites or pdfs you can upload with up to date information and detail on some of the low rad nuke devices you are talking about?

    Also, on top of that, for anyone, does anyone actually have a video or an uploaded pdf showing what such “tactical nukes” actually look like? So many people have the idea that any “mushroom cloud” is indicative of a nuclear explosion, but I find that a bit much. You can see mushroom clouds in various kinds of thermodynamic situations where a mass of heat rises into a colder environment and there’s enough color contrast to see all the beautiful convection and motion, and you don’t need a nuclear device to see that.

    I’m sure a lot of us want to see what real tactical, low-yield (or “low rad”) nuclear weapons look like, and the Davy Crockett or Upshot-Knothole videos are very old . . .

    • Replies: @Tommy Thompson
    , @A123
  136. vot tak says:

    Giraldi offers a fairly neutral summary here of what has been published at the time of writing his article. The details are still obscure how the devastating explosion was initiated, but what is obvious now is that zionazia already had a propaganda campaign in place before the blast which encompasses not just the whole of zionazi-gay media, but the zionazi colonial regimes running both usa and france. This indicates very probable foreknowledge the attack would proceed and very organised planning for the incident leading up to it. And after.

    They even prepared for elaborate false counter establishment zio-propaganda, such as the line used here by websayanin that israel attacked a Hezbollah weapons depot, not knowing there was a a.m. storage right next to it. IE: this zio-bs line both exonerates zionazia (they didn’t know their attack would cause so much devastation) and directs blame towards Hezbollah (they stored their non existent weapon stash next to a warehouse full of a.n.).

    The zionazi-gay spamming here trying to blame Hezbollah in any way imaginable makes it very clear the israelis had a hand in setting off that a.n. and this was no accident.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man, Alfred
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  137. @Polemos

    Do you have any sites or pdfs you can upload with up to date information and detail on some of the low rad nuke devices you are talking about?

    I already pointed out the VT web site had some recent articles on this. Please do your search.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  138. Iris says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    2020 – The IMF, US, France et al. want government reforms in Lebanon. Meaning: no Hezbollah. The explosion at the port is serving as another false-flag for that purpose. Macron showing up the next day, the US calling for a ‘soft’ regime change, etc weren’t coincidental.

    Neither is coincidental the well planned and simultaneous reporting by Rothschild’s Reuters press agency and by Erdogan’s Anadolu agency, based on anonymous sources, that a “private letter” by unknown security officers was sent to President Aoun and PM Diab on July 20th, “warning” them of an impending ammonium nitrate explosion risk.

    Such choreographed actions show that this bombing was a carefully planned plot against the Lebanese government and Lebanon’s sovereignty.

    https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1228997/les-dirigeants-prevenus-en-juillet-des-risques-dans-le-port.html

    Les dirigeants prévenus en juillet des risques dans le port
    Un rapport de la Sécurité de l’Etat fait référence à une lettre privée adressée au président Michel Aoun et au Premier ministre Hassane Diab le 20 juillet, rapporte Reuters.

  139. anon[134] • Disclaimer says:
    @Druid55

    You’re a 4000yo super/cult, devilish and evil haunting the world.

    What 4000 years? Why propagate Jewish historic fantasies as fact?

    Today is, laughably, the year “5780” of Jewish calendar. Every other people who are sporting 4 digit histories — Greeks, Egyptians, Persians, Chinese, for example — have actual historic records backed by contemporaries in neighboring people’s histories.

    They lie about stuff that is happening now in front of our eyes. Why would you take their word for events allegedly happening “4000” years ago?

    Snap out of it.

    • Agree: DaveE
  140. karel says:
    @Timothy Madden

    I wonder who paid for the storage. The rent of the space must have run into millions of USD in those seven years,

    • Replies: @Timothy Madden
  141. A123 says:
    @Polemos

    You can find accurate details in these two articles. The second presents objective facts debunking VT’s false narrative.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/07/the-beirut-explosion-is-it-a-bird-is-it-a-plane-is-it-a-faked-video-of-a-missile/

    One of the earliest claims about this explosion is that it was a nuclear detonation. This was spread by a variety of sources, including an organisation called “Veterans Today“, which despite appearing legitimate at first glance, is a known conspiracy network.

    However, these claims are easily identifiable as false. Multiple nuclear experts pointed out that explosion had none of the distinctive features of a nuclear explosion, such as a blinding flash of light and a thermal pulse. In short, nothing about the explosion in Beirut indicates it was a nuclear explosion.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: FB, vot tak
    • Replies: @FB
    , @vot tak
  142. Iris says:
    @L.K

    After reading several tirades by this fellow Thierry Meyssan about the Iranian help to Syria – without which Assad and Syria would not have survived – I have come to the conclusion this guy is up to NO GOOD. Disinformation agent

    You are right about Meyssan being off-base most of the time. If he was a deliberate disinformation agent however, he would have long been expelled from Syria, where he has taken refuge for many years now.

    More simply, Meyssan is deluded with his own cognitive abilities and relative importance. He always tries to spare the US and Isreal in his analysis, as if he was a superior mind bound to be some day invited to join one of their think tanks.
    He also always often proposes unhinged and unplausible thesis to his readers, because his is an attention seeker trying to look smarter than other analysts.
    It is a shame, considering his undeniable courage, that his character flaws so undermine his thinking.

    • Disagree: Peripatetic Itch
  143. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    So the universally despised greaseball Anus123 is now linking to Bellingcrap and calling that an ‘objective’ source…

    He is too stupid to even know how to keep from blowing his shill cover with such an obvious giveaway…

    • LOL: Happy Tapir, DaveE
  144. @cassandra

    Here’s a picture of the mushroom cloud for the 1917 explosion:

    Another Halifax explosion in 1945, an ammunition depot this time, also produced a mushroom cloud:


    https://www.mysteriesofcanada.com/nova-scotia/halifax-explosion-of-1945/

    Yes, it’s the explosive force that determines the cloud and the shock wave. The shock wave in 1917 was, I think, what primarily killed the two thousand victims. Only but few people in direct line of one will survive, thus proving that the blast front of the Beirut explosion was not what would normally be called a shock wave.

  145. There are few things worse than having the Israelis as enemies, but one of them is having the Lebanese as public administrators.

  146. A123 says:

    I wonder why FB The Militarily Ignorant Troll is trying to respond to me. He knows that he was caught lying, and that I put him on my Blocked Commenter list.

    He is a very sad specimen. I had to educate FB that U.S. combat aircraft perform mid-air refueling to extend flight range. He was unaware of this until I told him…

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @FB
  147. @vot tak

    To understand any ‘event’ we must understand the workings of criminal minds.

    The AN angle igniting the fire that caused the explosion is a cover story for the bomb blast (by whatever device was used).

    Cover stories (introduced by the ‘Mockingbird media’ early in the 24/7 newscycle) are used to control explanations – to prevent the general public from being able to do any critical thinking, as insider & Institute for Political Economy Chair, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts explains in these 10 short paragraphs:

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/25/cover-stories-used-control-explanations/

    Why?

    … because the Kabal must always maintain plausible deniability.

    That’s ‘cos why!

    • Agree: AB_Anonymous
  148. @L.K

    Heads up!

    Thierry Meyssan is French intelligence

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @sarz
  149. AaronB says:
    @A123

    That’s a fake photo 🙂

    • Replies: @A123
  150. @Iris

    Hi there. Thanks and nice job on the comment about the Belling(s)cat videos from yesterday over at Escobar’s article. I was going respond to you there, but this will be more timely. You said,

    By the way, have a look at Bellingcat UK webpage about the Beirut bombing, and at the extraordinary 4th embedded video in particular:

    This video has been shot from the top of the grain silo facing Warehouse 12, siege of the alleged ammonium nitrate “explosion”. It is obvious, considering what was left of the silo, that nobody standing on the silo could have survived the explosion.

    This means that the footage was most likely taken with a surveillance drone transmitting in real time, by people with foreknowledge of the catastrophe to come.

    The Bellingcat Hasbara “analyst” brushes the anomaly under the rug by an awkward and ludicrous statement, that what was filmed could not have been the main explosion. No human being can run down a grain silo in a few seconds anyway.

    https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2020/08/04/what-just-blew-up-in-beirut/

    Now, for ease of viewing and verifying, here is the same video from Belling(s)cat’s website posted to Belling(s)cat’s YT channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=CCJIA56O5kc&feature=emb_logo

    So, I wanted to answer a couple questions for myself: 1) Could the boom/blast in the Belling(s)cat vid be some other one prior to The Main Blast at 6:08PM? and 2) if so, what time between the boom and The Blast would human beings have to escape the grain silo and general area?

    Now, check out the video below and go to about 20 seconds in, where the second piece of footage begins. It is taken by a couple from a high-rise overlooking the port. We can hear a boom followed by a large amount of debris filling the air at about 1:45 minutes in. The Blast takes place at 2:17 minutes in, putting the time between at 32 seconds. There is no way any person filming from the top of the grain silo could have gotten away in time to survive the blast, nor is it very likely that any recording device in their possession could have survived the blast.

    Now, it would be a stretch, but one might try to argue that the Bellingcat silo video records a boom/blast that happens even prior to the 1:45 one in the video below, but I do not think so. Why? Well, if you listen, the couple filming the video are relatively at ease in the beginning, and even laugh at their own broken English (“port, no airport.”) Their demeanor becomes notably different following the boom at 1:45. Had something similar taken place prior to that, I don’t think they would have been so at ease.

    Another thing to note is that the grain silo video is posted to Bellingcat’s YT channel, with a date of 8/4/20 and there is a comment from exactly 1 week ago (8/4-8/11 = 7 days) confirming that the date is the upload date.

    So, Bellingcat wants us to believe that some local, in the flesh, humans went to the top of the grain silo at some point after the fire started after 5:40PM (per BBC timeline), recorded a boom at 6:07:30ish, but made it out of the destroyed grain silo and sufficiently far away from The Blast within 30 seconds to survive, or at the very least, that their footage survived (if not the people), and that the footage was somehow obtained by Bellingcat and posted same day.

    We are either dealing with liars or superheroes here. Which one could it be?

    • Replies: @A123
  151. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Get a clue DORK…

    You have ZERO experience in aviation, either civil or military…your best bet is to keep your retarded yap shut and just read and learn when an actual professional writes something about the subject…

  152. @Tommy Thompson

    Nukes will leave some radioactive isotopes in its wake and even more, where’s the fireball?

  153. @David Parker

    A perhaps minor side benefit of the Murrah explosion for the PTB was the destruction of the records for the Waco siege, the denouement of which occurred exactly two years before Murrah. Now Linda Tripp, who worked in the White House and who exposed the Lewinsky business, claimed that Miss Hillary ordered the destruction of Waco so she could get on with her health-care agenda, which was the start of her campaign to claim the presidency for herself.

    http://nstarzone.com/OKC.html
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/07/29/linda-tripp-breaks-20-year-silence-condemns-hillary-clinton-candidacy/

  154. Kapyong says:

    Some new footage recently turned up – HD, stable, with a direct view of the warehouse – clearly showing smoke, then flames, sparkles, two explosions, and shock wave. Best I’ve seen. Main action starts just before 9 mins with a strange sound.

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre, Polemos, jsinton
    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @jsinton
  155. The current executive should avoid getting tangled u in issues outside of CONUS that have no direct bearing on the US public.

    It’s always a good idea to keep abreast of these issues, but he is too easily distracted by matters he has no control over nor issues that matter to the US . . .

    That he speculates about the incident as an attack and of course requiring some response to send Israel more aide is not at all surprising.

    Would that he would stay closer to home.

  156. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:

    This was an act of NUCLEAR terrorism …the irresponsable inhuman UN lawful use of Nuclear weapons….the world has not witnessed such blatant abuse of nuclear weapons since Hiroshima-Nagasaki…and at that time the world said NOmore…Israel has open the door wide for any other country-group with nuclear capacity to use them…Israel should and must face sanctions, backlash from the entire world nations community…this is an act of mass extermination mass killings…we shall see what happens when the shoe is on the other foot…UN EU NATO are inviting a nuclear regional wars…

  157. @Kapyong

    There were two events.

    The smoke was the cover for the bomb blast (whatever device was used).

    • Agree: Kapyong
  158. A123 says:
    @AaronB

    Is there something specifically wrong with the photo that makes you think it is fake?

    The photo angle is unusual so the forward looking optics “chin” package on the B-52 produces an unexpected shape.
    ______

    The KC-135 paint scheme is consistent with known usage.
    .______

    Here is a different picture of a KC-10 refueling a B-52:
    .______

    This video demonstration is for a B-52 / KC-135 refueling.

    ______

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Mario Partisan
    • Replies: @AaronB
  159. @DaveE

    You’re quite correct, DaveE.

    One of the fave tactics of the Kabal is to commit a larger crime (war being a crime against humanity) to obscure a smaller one. Plane ‘crashes’ to mask assassinations are the most frequent examples of that these days.

    WWIII will be started by a third party – that is the plan!!!

    Under cover of WWI the Anglo-Zionists (France & UK) grabbed the former Ottoman Empire. Remember the Balfour Declaration granting a jewish homeland in Palestine was signed, NOV 1917?

    Beforehand, the Dönmeh (Sabbatean crypto-jews who converted publicly, but retained their beliefs secretly) were installed in the Ottoman Empire to sign up as a German ally so their collective defeat ensured that the secret 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement would be implemented.

    Under cover of WWII hundreds of thousands of European jews were shipped to Palestine – contrary to international law.

    WWIII will be the cover for the zionist entity to continue its colonial expansion from the R. Nile in Egypt to the R. Euphrates in Syria/Iraq, as per the Zionist wet dream of Genesis 15:18

    “In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates”

    As a columnist on this site, Norman Finkelstein once said:

    “Zionisrs don’t believe in God, but they do believe that He gave them Palestine”

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  160. @Patagonia Man

    @DaveE

    … and why must WWIII be started by a third party?, I hear you ask.

    Because the Kabal must always maintain plausible deniability.

    Look at WWI as a perfect example. 100+ years after the start of the event – the most written about military event in world history – historians still argue about what actually started it.

    • Thanks: DaveE
  161. AaronB says:
    @A123

    Is there something specifically wrong with the photo that makes you think it is fake?

    Everyone knows planes cannot refuel in midair, like FB says 🙂

    • LOL: A123
    • Replies: @A123
    , @FB
  162. @jsinton

    My suspicionometer goes ballistic every time I see a finger pointed at the only element in all of Lebanon which has saved that country from dismemberment by the Vampire $quid.

  163. dimples says:
    @utu

    It seems like it would have to be different if it blew up. According to the Technical Data Sheet you mention, Nitropril is an oxidizer only. Therefore it would have to be premixed with some organic material such as a carbon powder before use. Probably this is for reasons of safety. A material requiring mixing before use, ie a 2-part product, would be a very safe way to store explosives.

    On the other hand, the prills, ie small balls about 3-4mm in diameter might have deteriorated and coalesced in the storage shed due to several years of Lebanese heat and possibly water ingress during rain, changing its chemical or explosive characteristics. Watching the videos I’m surprised by the very rapid explosion causing the spherical cloud, but I’m not an expert.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @dimples
    , @Harold Smith
  164. vot tak says:
    @A123

    LOL, israel’s echo chamber is now promoting bellingcat as a legit source. Soon to be followed by camara, site and the london dress maker who moonlights as zionazia’s go to guy regarding Syria.

    These zio-faggots are pathetic excuses for hominids.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  165. trelane says:
    @Agent_Jones

    Yes, it violently decomposes into N2, O2, and H2O (i.e., air)

    Where’s the fuel agent jones?

  166. @L.K

    Until a couple weeks back I was a regular, but occasionally questioning, reader of VT. When Duff made some comment which I felt to be a bit off-base, I e.m.ed him and was surprised to receive a response from another of the editors there, Ian Greenhalgh.

    Finding it interesting to be in touch with that site, I continued corresponding with I.G. AND Duff two or three times. It struck me odd, in the first instance, that Greenhalgh answered my message to Duff and then found it interesting that, like “Nipper” in the old RCA-Victor “His master’s voice” ad, Duff messaged back in I.G’s footsteps.

    Ultimately, one day I pointed out some discrepancies to I.G. (a lowland Scotsman to judge by the name and the British-style spelling) and touted some of my own researches and apperceptions of geopolitical reality. Greenhalgh went off on me, claiming a much higher intellect (or something such) and promptly informed me that I was forthwith “cut off.”

    Never having previously been circumcised ,I found his arrogance and egotistic attitude to be a bit much, over the top, in fact, and came to the realization that VT–even though they themselves use the term on occasion to describe other sites–just about has to be a limited hangout for intel sleuths and disinformation specialists who hide behind a few good writers who appear to have reasonable verisimilitude to give them a nice, smiley face up-front. This enables them to forward memes which tend to make the international resistance movement versus the Globalists look to be either ridiculous or off their whack.

    Perhaps six years ago, VT had a falling out with one of their contributors, Dr. James Fetzer, who has punished several valuable books including what I consider to be the definitive treatment of the CIA assassination of JFK. The book is well loaded with photos and essays by experts in various fields and the photo even includes one which is almost certainly Daddy WarBu$h standing in front of the Texas School Depository building wearing a tan trench coat.

    Other noteworthy books published by Fetzer is another excellent group effort on the 911 Inside Job and perhaps the definitive work on the Fema-organized alleged Boston Marathon “Massacre” with its many crisis actors and as a result of this a young man named Djokar Tsarnayev was railroaded by his own defense attorney and was sentenced to death in a Federal District Courtroom.

    Just recently, the young man’s sentence was overturned as to the death penalty and reduced to life imprisonment in the Florence,Colorado Supermax Prison. My personal opinion after having read Fetzer’s book, is that Djokar was totally innocent.

    Dr. Fetzer maintains a website and a radio program. Anyone looking for more information regarding Veterans Today is encouraged to contact him.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @DaveE
  167. utu says:
    @dimples

    Perhaps reading on Texas City disaster might give some answers

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_City_disaster
    Cargo
    The ammonium nitrate, needed either as fertilizer or an explosive, was manufactured in Nebraska and Iowa and shipped to Texas City by rail before being loaded onto the Grandcamp.[4] It was manufactured in a patented process, mixed with clay, petrolatum, rosin and paraffin wax to avoid moisture caking. It was packaged in paper sacks, then transported and stored at higher temperatures that increased its chemical activity. Longshoremen reported the bags were warm to the touch before loading.

    Fire
    On April 16, 1947, around 8:00 a.m., smoke was spotted in the cargo hold of the Grandcamp while she was still moored. Over the next hour, attempts to extinguish the fire or bring it under control failed, as a red glow returned after each effort to douse the fire.

    Shortly before 9:00 a.m., the captain ordered his men to steam the hold, a firefighting method where steam is piped in to extinguish fires, in order to preserve the cargo. This was unlikely to be effective, as ammonium nitrate is an oxidizer, thus neutralizing the extinguishing properties of steam. The steam may have contributed to the fire by converting the ammonium nitrate to nitrous oxide, while augmenting the already intense heat in the ship’s hold.[5]

    The fire attracted spectators along the shoreline, who believed they were at a safe distance.[6] Eventually, the steam pressure inside the ship blew the hatches open, and yellow-orange smoke billowed out. This color is typical for nitrogen dioxide fumes.[1] The unusual color of the smoke attracted more spectators. Spectators also noted that the water around the docked ship was boiling from the heat, and the splashing water touching the hull was being vaporized into steam. The cargo hold and deck began to bulge as the pressure of the steam increased inside.

    Explosion
    At 9:12 a.m., the ammonium nitrate reached an explosive threshold from the combination of heat and pressure.[7] The vessel detonated, causing great destruction and damage throughout the port. The tremendous blast produced a 15-foot (4.5 m) wave that was detectable nearly 100 miles (160 km) from the Texas shoreline. The blast leveled nearly 1,000 buildings on land. The Grandcamp explosion destroyed the Monsanto Chemical Company plant and resulted in ignition of refineries and chemical tanks on the waterfront. Falling bales of burning twine from the ship’s cargo added to the damage, and the Grandcamp’s anchor was hurled across the city. Two sightseeing airplanes flying nearby were blown out of the sky,[8] while 10 miles (16 km) away, half of the windows in Galveston were shattered.[9] The explosion blew the almost 6,350 short tons (5,760 metric tons) of the ship’s steel into the air, some at supersonic speed.

    A 2-short-ton (1.8-metric-ton) anchor of Grandcamp was hurled 1.62 miles (2.61 km) and found in a 10-foot (3 m) crater.

    • Replies: @pq
    , @Quartermaster
  168. @David Parker

    I don’t know if there were explosives planted inside the Murrah building or not but as I recall the explosive used in the truck bomb was primarily ammonium nitrate and nitromethane (ANNM) which is much more powerful that ANFO, along with some ANFO, and the truck was much closer to the building than 60 feet.

  169. ivan says:
    @L.K

    Tierry Meyssan is Gordon Duff’s twin. Both have a penchant for making up stories out of whole cloth.

  170. dimples says:
    @dimples

    If Nitroprill HD was supposed to be an oxidizer this might explain the Lebanese politicians’ reluctance to shift the 2700 tons because they thought it was safe. The data sheet said it couldn’t explode, but the cheaper clone product might not have had the deterioration prevention additives the more expensive product might have had.

  171. First, I want to give a slow clap to A-hole123 for his amazing sarcasm detection abilities. His paymasters are really getting their shekels worth.

    More importantly, though, has anyone checked out Belling(s)cat’s Bird? Check it out (same vid as on their site).

    You can see that thing pretty clearly in even the zoomed out video on the left. How big is that damn bird? What kind of large, dark-colored birds hang out over the eastern Mediterranean and like to move towards large billows of smoke and noise? I looked around the internet for what kind of bird it might have been and I think it might be the dark cousin of this thing:

    I wonder if it might have been carrying an “egg” that just happened to “hatch” at the right moment.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  172. A123 says:
    @AaronB

    *D’OH*

    Sorry… Missed it… I thought you noticed an actual problem with the image…

    I have said it before and I will say it again. HTML desperately needs more tags:

    (sarcasm) (/sarcasm)
    (humor) (/humor)

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
  173. FB says: • Website
    @AaronB

    And what do you know about aviation DORK…?

    I remember you were pretty mouthy with me about the Boeing MCAS system after that Ethiopian crash, an airplane which I have flown as pilot in command [the pre-MCAS versions]…but you know more, right…?

    I never said aerial refueling doesn’t exist, that would be quite insane [like you and Anus 123]…

    What I said in that discussion about Venezuela is that it would not be practical to try to fly F22 missions out of the US…there is no suitable base in Peurto Rico…Ramey AFB has been closed for decades…which is what the complete retard Anus 123 insisted could be done…

    The combat radius of an F22 is only about 700 nautical miles, even carrying external fuel tanks…also it would not be practical for F22 pilots to fly such long range missions even if they were refueled along the way…due to pilot fatigue…

    These are just some things clowns like you and Anus 123 cannot possibly know…because you occupy the lowest level on the four stages of competence…meaning you don’t even know how much you don’t know…

    …individuals are initially unaware of how little they know, or unconscious of their incompetence.

    That’s what you are…a complete idiot, who doesn’t know diddly about the Boeing 737, nor aerial refueling…yet you somehow think that you can get in the face of people that do have professional knowledge and competence in the subject…

    …helping someone “know what they don’t know” or recognize a blind spot…

    …is the big BIG favor I’m doing for your uneducated ass right now…by first making you aware that you can actually take steps to climb up the pyramid of competence…good luck, moron…but somehow I’m pretty sure you just won’t be able to help yourself…

  174. A123 says:
    @Mario Partisan

    1) Could the boom/blast in the Belling(s)cat vid be some other one prior to The Main Blast at 6:08PM? and 2) if so, what time between the boom and The Blast would human beings have to escape the grain silo and general area?

    One more question:

    (3) Could the video have been live streamed (e.g. Periscope)?

    If so, then there is no need for an upload at a later time. My first thought when I saw the film was, “This is an unwise bit of live reporting.”
    _____

    Remember Warehouse #12 is stadium sized. At 120 meters in length you could squeeze a football field in it.

    The entire sequence of events took a fair amount of time. Commonly accepted order:

    — Started at Warehouse #7.
    — Then spread to Warehouse #12.
    — Then further had to expand within #12, as the industrial sacks appeared to be stored towards the middle of the warehouse.
    — Eventually it reached the heavy munitions and Ammonium Nitrate.

    I have not seen any photos showing the storage location of the munitions and/or fireworks within #12.

    The close-in live stream footage could be small arms ammo cooking off many minutes before the main blast. If the person with the camera had a sudden case of common sense and scarpered, perhaps he survived. I would not want to bet on that.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @pq
  175. Art says:

    Two points on the Lebanon bombing.

    If there is no smoking gun found by now — than there will not be one. No major player with any power in the ME wants a war. Thus no one wants to find the culprit. Especially the Lebanon people. (Of course it was Israel.)

    Everyone is waiting for the 2020 election. No one wants to commit to anything, if Trump were to lose.

  176. @Tommy Thompson

    Thanks, Tommy.

    It’s horrifying that Israel nuked Beirut just for fun. No, just because Israel is Jewish. Thanks for the Veterans Today link, the audio with absolutely compelling evidence. There was not even a war on, but the Jews nuked Beirut!

    Hezbollah needs to get nuclear weapons. Hamas needs nuclear missiles. Israel has made that the norm.

    Israel must go.

    • Replies: @Art
  177. Biff says:
    @FB

    BUT…here is the interesting part…that AN and fuel needs to be MIXED together…just like air and gasoline must be mixed in a proper ratio to have combustion…

    The oxygen in the nitrate(not nitrite) NO3 needs to dissolve to become available for combustion.

    • Replies: @FB
  178. @vot tak

    During the CIA–George $oro$–engineered takedown of the legitimate, elected government of Ukraine a few years back–timed exquisitely to occur precisely when the Russian state and people were deeply involved with the Sochi Olympics; Bellingcat became one of the most rabid spokesbeings to excoriate Putin and Russia.

    Bellingcat became particularly obnoxious when the Ukie airfarce shot down the Malaysian airliner over the combat zone in the eastern Donbas/Luhansk region which is primarily Russian, ethnically ,and was handed over. to Ukraine by Lenin to give that Russian province an industrial base. Bellingcat was front and center in blaming Russia for the outrage.

    Of course, Bellingcat, which like the alleged human rights group hitting on Syria, is not only located on the Sceptered Isle, but is a creature of British intelligence–MI6–an organization which began specializing in dirty tricks even before the founding of the Zionist state in occupied Palestine.

    British Intel was also responsible for creation of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt back in the 20’s as an offset to the growing Arab nationalist movement in that then British-occupied land.

    Interestingly, the Zionist state and MI6 are ultimately answerable to City of London, center of the world’s banking, insurance, metals and communications industries and which, incidentally, is under the suzrainty of the Rothschild Crime Clan. Imagine that!

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  179. @A123

    Interesting how the Sayanim, Hasbara and Anti-Defecation League types are very well organized and work as tag-teams, closely monitoring the few remaining open comments sites on the internet–particularly this one. They seem to work in shifts, so that their Shekelgrubbing goes on 24/7. Some folks are awful concerned about uncontrolled narratives getting out and upsetting the agenda.

  180. @Iris

    A-hole123 replied to my post #154 with:

    (3) Could the video have been live streamed (e.g. Periscope)?

    That was my, and your, point: that the video had to be “live streamed” or “transmitting in real time.” What we had not been able to establish conclusively yet was whether the live transmission was filmed by humans or by drone.

    Now, what is interesting, is that when one chooses to view the Bellingcat video in Youtube, one sees that the video is “unlisted.” What is an unlisted video?

    An unlisted video is a different type of private video. “Unlisted” means that only people who know the link to the video can view it (such as friends or family to whom you send the link). An unlisted video will not appear in any of YouTube’s public spaces (such as search results, your channel, or the Browse page). An unlisted video is different to a private video in these ways:

    • you don’t need a YouTube account to watch the video (you can see an unlisted video if someone sends you the video’s link).
    • there’s no 25 person sharing limit.

    You can choose to make any of your uploads an unlisted video in your YouTube Account settings.

    Here’s how:
    1. Sign into your YouTube Account.
    2. Go to your My Videos page.
    3. Select the video which you’d like to make an unlisted video. Click the Edit button to access the video’s settings.
    4. Go to the Privacy section of the page. There you’ll see the option to mark you video as “unlisted”, “public”, or “private”. Select unlisted.
    5. Don’t forget to click the Save Changes button. Once you’ve done this your video will be an unlisted video.

    https://wiki.umbc.edu/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=31198917

    This explains why I had trouble finding this video using YouTube search. I wanted to embed the video in my comment, as opposed to just presenting a link based on opening the Bellingcat website vid in YT, but I could not find it.

    How did Bellingcat get a hold of this private, unlisted video? If it wasn’t the uploader, it must have been sent the link, but whoever posted it, must have been able to go into their Youtube account and change the settings to “unlisted” post upload. So either the video was taken by a drone or by a human who died but had people in their network able to post the video. But, if the person who died was a dead Beirut local/port worker, what are the chances that they would give Bellingcat access to the “unlisted” video?

    So, I decided to follow the hyperlink that Bellingcat provides with the video. The hyperlink takes one to the twitter page of an individual by the name of Heshmet Alavi. His twitter bio:

    Heshmat Alavi
    @HeshmatAlavi
    Covering #Iran & #MidEast, especially what MSM won’t. Have a passion for exposing Tehran apologists/lobbyists. Blocked by mullahs’ dictator @Khamenei_ir

    However, the hashtag at the bottom of the video tweeted by Alavi goes to the account of an individual named Joey Ayoub, who seems to be active in anti-government protests in Lebanon. I tried to find the Bellingcat video in Ayoub’s twitter feed but I can’t see anything pre-8/5. In any case, the person Alavi indicates he got the video from, Ayoub, is alive and kicking and continuing to update his twitter feed regularly.

    It seems you were right: the grain silo video was very likely taken by a real-time transmitting drone connected to an anti-Shia crescent network of which Bellingcat is a part.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Iris
  181. @L.K

    Of course it did, but this French guy has constantly criticized Iran’s fundamental role in Syria, have you missed it?

    I haven’t missed it but it doesn’t make of him a disinformation agent as you claim. Iran, like all, has plans in the region. Questioning Iran’s plan if they happen to hinger Syria’s sovereignty and/or ability to move forward doesn’t equate to being a disinformation agent. This is not to take his side but to express my opinion.

    Sorry, but this is not true. Later I’ll post info by an Iranian economist i trust, who lives in the US but is not against the government, who explains how Iran, especially when NOT under neoliberals such as the current president, greatly expanded Iran’s infrastructure and industries, despite all them sanctions.

    I can stand corrected on Rouhani’s positive contribution to the Iranian society (industry, infrastucrue, etc) – I reckon that he did do good – but it does not mean that they are not and/or do not support the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran, Turkey and Qatar (I may omit some) do support that organization. Hamas is its Palestinian branch as well.

    This is correct. The Iranian “atlanticists” are much like their Russian counterparts, many of whom are within the ruling party, United Russia.

    Who would you say the Atlanticists are in Iran?

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
    , @L.K
  182. @Joe Levantine

    Sad indeed; but in the end, and bluntly put: the Lebanese deserve the people they have elected for decades. Even though, it is their youth who is paying the price. The Aoun/Hezbollah alliance paved way for reconciliation. Diab (an educated and honest man) truly sought to fight corruption – an audit of the central bank to shed light on the billions stolen from Lebanon was underway. This terrified the opposition.

    The globalists failed, on many occasions to destroy Hezbollah, and so they are going after its allies (Aoun and Bassil). This may be favorable to the likes of the pro-Israel/US/KSA Geagea (may he have never came out alive from the hole he was in). We’re walking on eggshells.

    Nonetheless and as you astutely portrayed, the Lebanese are stuck between two walls. Emotions run high, the people are angry, desperate, exhausted. While a considerable part of the protests today (like in the Fall/Winter of 2019) are staged/sponsored, most are unbiased and seek change. It came to a point of choosing the lesser evil: the ultra-corrupt warlords/thugs running Lebanon or the Western Neo-Colonials. I don’t include Aoun in the former, he was a genuine military man who has sought Lebanon’s sovereignty. His categoric refusal to allow any former colonial power in Lebanon says enough.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  183. @Joe Levantine

    After 72 years of Israel existence, all neighbouring states including Lebanon have every right to presume Israeli responsibility until Israel can prove innocence beyond reasonable doubt.

    I can’t help but think of the intro of an article I read yesterday. The content is repugnantly biased (it’s from the Brookings after all) but the intro was on point.

    “A self-reverential joke once common in Lebanon posited that God bestowed Lebanon with beautiful mountains, stunning beaches, freshwater resources, fertile soil and fruited plains, and creative, attractive people: paradise. But then God realized that heaven is reserved for the afterlife — so he created Lebanon’s neighbors.

    “Lebanon as Paradise Lost”
    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order-from-chaos/2020/08/05/lebanon-as-paradise-lost/

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  184. @karel

    Hey good point! Maybe someone was paying the storage charges.

    I don’t know how much they would be but I read in a different article that the alleged AN was worth about $2 million. I think with commodities like that it costs a minimum of about 2% of their value per month to store them (in a commercial warehouse). So otherwise there would be no reason not to seize and sell them after about a maximum of four years.

    But again there are the photos that seem to be of some kind of large bags (maybe 12 of them) that are labelled as AN fertilizer. Maybe there’s another 2,700-plus of them in the surrounding area or maybe there isn’t. Just hard to make sense of anything with so much bad faith and disinformation about so many things. But if someone were to be found to have been paying storage charges for that long then I would take that as a metaphoric smoking gun.

  185. Art says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Hezbollah needs to get nuclear weapons. Hamas needs nuclear missiles. Israel has made that the norm.

    Israel must go.

    That statement is typical of our feelings.

    You Jews out there must begin to feel the utter unqualified level of angst the world has for you!

  186. @A123

    (sarcasm) (/sarcasm)
    (humor) (/humor)

    (((sayan))) (((/sayan)))

    • Replies: @A123
  187. @turtle

    You evidently need to do something pretty impressive to make Ammonium Nitrate blow up.

    I attempted to make that point in the comments to Pepe Escobar’s article, and was scolded by a self-appointed “expert” as being “stupid, ignorant, and dishonest.”

    LOL! You’re still at it? First, I never said I was any kind of an “expert” (apparently it just seems that way compared to a moron like you). Second, please define “something pretty impressive,” you “stupid, ignorant and dishonest” fool.

    A reasonable person would only need to look at the historical record of disastrous explosions involving large quantities of “pure” ammonium nitrate to realize that the stuff can explode, and would not criticize an author who described it as an “explosive” in a situation where it obviously did explode, but you’re not reasonable.

    Some details as to how “easily” or under what conditions “pure” ammonium nitrate can be made to explode can be found in several published papers, most of which are unfortunately behind a pay wall.

    On page A321 of the “ENCYCLOPEDIA OF EXPLOSIVES AND RELATED ITEMS PATR 2700 VOLUME 1” you can see some numbers that give an idea. For example, pure ammonium nitrate (i.e. with no fuel/sensitizer) at room temperature, at a density of 0.84 grams/cm^3, in a steel tube of 100 mm diameter, was detonated with 200 grams of picric acid, with a resulting VoD of 1820 m/sec.

    https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/257189.pdf

    And with a big enough pile of ammonium nitrate you wouldn’t need the steel tube since the large pile itself provides sufficient “confinement” and the large diameter of the charge (presumably measured in feet or meters) would also result in a higher detonation velocity.

    So it seems that if you’ve got a big enough pile of pure ammonium nitrate and you hit it with a high explosive munition containing at least a few hundred grams of high explosives, the ammonium nitrate is going to detonate.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  188. @dimples

    “It seems like it would have to be different if it blew up. According to the Technical Data Sheet you mention, Nitropril is an oxidizer only. Therefore it would have to be premixed with some organic material such as a carbon powder before use.”

    Ammonium nitrate can explode BY ITSELF (that is, without any added ingredients such as a sensitizer or fuel) under the right conditions (it needs “confinement” and sufficient heat energy and/or a shockwave).

    According to the “safety data sheet”:

    “Special protective equipment and precautions for fire-fighters:
    WARNING:
    A major fire may involve a risk of explosion. Evacuate area immediately. Allow fire to burn out. An adjacent detonation may also involve the risk of explosion. Heating can cause decomposition of the material, which can lead to the containers exploding. Confinement of material may result in detonation.”

    https://msds.orica.com/pdf/shess-en-mtr-ughs-000022017701.pdf

    • Replies: @FB
  189. pq says:
    @A123

    I spent a lot of time trying to trace the source of the “close up” videos all of whom ought to have been dead or in the hospital. The strange thing was that ALL were anonymous except…..the one from the CNN reporter who was walking his dog. This is one of the videos that later circulated as a fake, with an extra missile added in. Or maybe the original had a missile taken out…..
    Then, when people on twitter asked: is the photographer, there were replies saying: yes, they’re ok / in hospital etc. But these came from twitter accounts of “Change for Lebanon” people sitting in Den Haag and Dubai!!!

    Then I noticed that the original firefighter video (very short clip of the guys approaching the warehouse) circulated in the mainstream with the confused blast part added on even though the article said the bodies were missing.

    I don’t doubt that ALL of the EARLIEST original close up videos (all anonymous) are doctored in some way. I suspect they were taken by drones and livestreamed NOT to social media. The distribution to social media came later. The LAST thought of anybody who was that close would be putting their video on social media. None of these videos are attributed to any person.

    I don’t doubt that the videos will be attributed eventually. They’ll produced some dead people.

    Nobody near the warehouse area survived. Dozens still missing.
    For me it’s a controlled explosion. It doesn’t have to be a missile.

  190. @Tommy Thompson

    Incidally I many years ago read claims / rumors that Israel had / has planted hydrogen bombs at secret places in all major US cities. Israel had no cause to nuke Beirut. Israel has no cause to nuke those US cities. But why not?

  191. pq says:
    @utu

    The entire global media have used wikipedia’s list of AN disasters as the definitive explanation of why this happens all the time. But if you look into detail using real sources, none of those incidents involved AN sitting in a huge ventilated warehouse. All the accidents are ships (enclosed cargo holds+fire+diesel), factories, or transport.

  192. @Colin Wright

    Shades of the Jewish Community Center bombing in Argentina. That one went on forever. As far as I know, it’s still going on.

    I think that what Gareth Porter wrote a few weeks ago about the subject is convincing: How a police spy’s stunning testimony threatens the official (….) narrative:

    https://thegrayzone.com/2020/07/26/police-spys-testimony-official-us-israeli-amia-bombing/

    • Thanks: Colin Wright
  193. Holocaust means complete destruction by fire with extensive loss of life. The English word holocaust comes from the Greek holokauston, which means “that which is completely burnt.” That is clearly what happened to the many thousands of victims of the Anglo-American fire-bombing of Dresden on Ash Wednesday/Valentine’s Day 1945 and what happened to the 2,600 people who were trapped in the thermite-laden Twin Towers from which molten iron poured before they were pulverized into dust. The murder by heat and fire of the 2,600 people trapped in the Twin Towers is an American holocaust, no question about it.

    (Christopher Bollyn)

    To add another example using the rightful meaning of the term holocaust, call it a Lebanese holocaust. That is regardless of who might be behind it. Whether and probably a false flag(sequels to follow), and even the implausibility of a straightforward accident.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  194. @Hiram of Tyre

    I reckon that he did do good – but it does not mean that they are not and/or do not support the Muslim Brotherhood. Iran, Turkey and Qatar (I may omit some) do support that organization.

    Salam,

    Muslim Brotherhood are not evil nor they are terrorists. They are God fearing good Muslims, who live a simple and moral life. The Egyptians are tired of Military rule under the disguise of cooked Democracy. All the cream goes to the the Military Forces and everyone else is dirt poor. It seems like either you are a hasbara or under the heavy influence of Mass Media.

    Best regards,

    Mohamed (a Shia).

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  195. Robjil says:
    @PetrOldSack

    Ironically, this event in Lebanon was on the Jewish Valentine’s day of Tu B’AV.

    Illustration of a couple on Tu b’Av, Israel’s “Valentine’s Day”, August 04, 2020. Photo by Mila Aviv/Flash90

    The Beirut Holocaust would be the second Valentine’s Day holocaust from the Israel Firsters. Dresden was the first one.

    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/156272/explosion-beirut-beautiful-show-5th-av-holiday-love/

    Former Knesset Member and social media influencer Moshe Feiglin, connected the cataclysmic blast in Beirut on Tuesday to the Jewish holiday of love: the 15th of Av.

    The 15th of Av began at sundown on Tuesday night and continues until sundown on Wednesday night. It is a special holiday that symbolizes love. We correct the hatred when we rise above it and thus attain the great love,

    Love your fellow as yourself (Leviticus 19:18).

    In the Oral tradition of the Mishna, it is written that Tu B’Av is the day when the young women of Jerusalem would go out dressed in white to the orchards and vineyards to sing. The young men would join them to choose their bride. These are the images characterizing the holiday of Tu B’Av.

    Feiglin thoughts about the Beirut Holocaust.

    “He also added that the effect of the blast’s devastation was that of a miniature atomic bomb. Feiglin went on to criticize Israel’s hasty pull-out from Lebanon blaming the move for enabling Beirut’s ability to stock so many deadly weapons meant for Israel.

    “But for now, today is the 15th of Av and it is a day of joy. Thank you very much to God and all of the geniuses and heroes that organized this amazing celebration to mark the Day of Love” he concluded.”

  196. Jazman says:
    @FB

    If you can check Bruce Braid engineer on twitter he has interesting technical explanation about Beirut explosion
    https://twitter.com/drbairdonline?s=09

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @Veritas X-
    , @FB
  197. A123 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    (sarcasm) (/sarcasm)
    (humor) (/humor)

    (((sayan))) (((/sayan)))

    Then we also need Muslim specific tags:

    [[ Taqiyya ]] [[ /Taqiyaa ]]
    [[ Jihadist ]] [[ /Jihadist ]]
    [[ ChildKiller ]] [[ /ChildKiller ]]
    [[ BabyRaper ]] [[ /BabyRaper ]]

    PEACE 😇

  198. Emslander says:
    @Timothy Madden

    I am still waiting for photos of the AN in the warehouse. Regardless of the actual size of the bags, 2,700 tons is the equivalent of 108,000 50-pound bags ((2,700 x 2,000) / 50 = 108,000). That is quite a block of bags of anything to be kept indoors in a warehouse.

    It’s quite a stretch to believe that authorities would be warning other authorities about a dangerous warehouse, if there was nothing in it.

    If something sits around for six years in a tight space indoors in the heat of the Mideast and the moisture of a port, it will begin to deteriorate and change its chemical nature. Ever hear of spontaneous combustion? I’ve seen it burn large buildings packed with hay that was stored when it was green and damp. Farmers know about it with some intimate tragedy.

    • Replies: @Timothy Madden
  199. @ChuckOrloski

    When allowed, even President Trumpstein can tell the awful truth.

    Amen!

    1. No justice department officials are arrested so far. According to the Mass Media (including Arab Media) the ball was in their court. They choose not to respond, so they are first line culprits. I might be wrong, and there have been arrests justice department officials and I am not aware. Also, why the Journalist missed that. Only questions and written explanations so far by the Journalist is, “accident or Israel” and no Journalism (hard hitting questions).

    2. In all my life I have never seen Hassan Nasrallah lie. Has he come out and said it is an accident? If he did then I must have missed it.

    Mohamed

  200. @Jazman

    Excellent stuff!
    Thanks alot.
    X-
    ps. to save time everyone try the following links to get to the ‘meat and potatoes’:


    https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a995371.pdf

  201. A123 says:
    @Mario Partisan

    That was my, and your, point: that the video had to be “live streamed” or “transmitting in real time.” What we had not been able to establish conclusively yet was whether the live transmission was filmed by humans or by drone.

    It is fairly safe to say that it was a hand held camera.
    — There are no rotor noises.
    — There are human voices.
    — The video is always close to a surface a person could stand on.

    The usual tells for a drone are not present.
    —- Too high is a common one.
    —- An axis pivot that would have recorded the person holding the phone is another.

    How did Bellingcat get a hold of this private, unlisted video? If it wasn’t the uploader, it must have been sent the link, but whoever posted it, must have been able to go into their Youtube account and change the settings to “unlisted” post upload. So either the video was taken by a drone or by a human who died but had people in their network able to post the video.

    You are making an assumption that the handoff happened in a single step.

    Given the number of young people who despised Nasrallah’s corruption, the fire burning in al’Hezbollah Warehouse 12 would tend to attract those who want to anonymously stream video.

    Once streamed and posted, it could easily have been shared, copied, and shared again, multiple times before it reached someone who provided the unlisted link to Bellingcat.

    In any case, the person Alavi indicates he got the video from, Ayoub, is alive and kicking and continuing to update his twitter feed regularly.

    Ayoub is:

    — Not the person who filmed the original clip.
    — Or, he is incredibly lucky to have gotten out in one piece.

    The former seems much more plausible than the latter.

    It seems you were right: the grain silo video was very likely taken by a real-time transmitting drone connected to an anti-Shia crescent network of which Bellingcat is a part.

    And, this is where you analysis falls short:

    — Nothing in the video requires a drone instead of a person.
    — There is no need for a direct connection between Bellingcat and the person who made the original live stream.

    All that is required is a pro-Lebanon patriot brave/foolhardy enough to stream something that humiliates Nasrallah.

    PEACE 😇

  202. FB says: • Website
    @Biff

    I did say nitrate…

    As for the ammonium nitrate having to ‘dissolve’ before it can be used in combustion, this appears correct…although more precisely it needs to vaporize…

    That’s where the detonator comes in…even if the AN is mixed with fuel oil in the correct ratio [94/6] it won’t go off until a detonation explosion sets it off…

    The energy of the detonation wave causes the ammonium nitrate in the fertilizer to vaporize – the solid fertilizer becomes a gas in an instant. The ammonium and nitrate molecules break down, and a large amount of oxygen gas is suddenly formed.

    The gas released from the decomposing fertilizer is what drives the explosion. The rapid release of oxygen, along with the energy from the detonation wave, ignites the fuel. When the liquid fuel ignites, it rapidly combusts, and even more gas is released.

    How do Fertilizer Bombs Work

    So yes, this basic understanding of how an ammonium nitrate / fuel oil bomb works seems to make an ‘accident’ very unlikely…

    I’m not an explosives expert, but I do understand the chemistry of combustion…and is why this caught my eye…

  203. FB says: • Website
    @Jazman

    Thanks…

    Very interesting info from this fellow Baird, who appears quite qualified on the subject…

    The kind of person who believes 2750 tonnes of ammonium nitrate stacked in bags on a warehouse floor blasted a 43-meter deep crater in Beirut is the kind of person who believes two jetliners caused the Twin Towers to “collapse” & destroyed the rest of WTC on 9/11!

    He seems to suspect it could be a new generation nuclear bomb that produces very little radiation…

    Bruce Baird, Twitter

    • Agree: Jazman
  204. @A123

    Are you not tired of your mission, bound to fail on a website where everybody is already Jew-wise and none of your tricks work anymore?

    (awakened goy) (/awakened goy)

    • Replies: @A123
  205. Trumpstein’s simmering October Surprise to “win” the ZUS election/selection — a hot HORROR war with Iran?

    Refer below, presented by Antiwar.com, originally posted at Tom Dispatch and written by Bob Dreyfuss.

    https://original.antiwar.com/?p=2012340639

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  206. A123 says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    [[Franklin]]

    As long as you keep pushing your Taqiyya blood libels, I will keep posting the TRUTH.

    When will you grasp that no one serious believes you?

    PEACE 😇

  207. Goose says:

    Look at this from another view point. The Chicoms just lost the contract to take over Israels ports (Hafia to start) and establish a base of operations in the Med. Now the port in Lebanon is destroyed and Lebanon is broke and cannot rebuild the port on its own. So Hezbollah is owned by Iran and Iran is now owned by the Chicoms. The Chicoms have a practice of going to poor countries and offering with, major strings attached and a demand for collateral in the form of national assets, a build of infrastructure. All a part of the belt and road thing. Guess who is going to rebuild the port. Nobody in the west that is for sure.

    The Chicoms will use this to get their base of operations into the Med. Now the real sparks will fly. So who exploded the bomb ask this who has the most to gain and who has a plan that would make this happen. Look to the East.

    • Agree: A123
  208. @Larchmonter420

    Salam,

    I am neither a hasbara nor under the influence.

    I am afraid that your approach is based on emotions rather than facts. Clarifying that you’re Muslim exemplifies it. Faith is one thing, investigated how its manipulations has served the interests of some, another.

    I cannot deny that the military in Egypt gets the cream as you wrote but that was not my point. My point is that the Muslim Brotherhood, as an organization, was created by the British Intelligence and is modeled on Masonic rites to serve British interests (and not Anglo-American). The Ikhwan al-Muslimeen of al-Banna may have started as an organization with good intentions but Freya Stark’s Ikhwan al-Hurriyah (set up to track German activity in Northern Africa) geared the two to become an intelligence apparatus for the British Empire. The British Zionists on one hand and the British Muslim Brotherhood on the other worked like a charm to advance Britain’s agenda in the region. Pitting Jewish Zionists against the Muslims worked like a charm in Palestine; and so did allying the two on many occasions. You should recall, or perhaps get to know now, that Israel worked side by side the Muslim Brotherhood on more than one occasion in Egypt to remove leaders not aligned with the US/UK/Israel.

    Likewise, best regards.

    • Disagree: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @L.K
  209. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Ammonium nitrate can explode BY ITSELF (that is, without any added ingredients such as a sensitizer or fuel) under the right conditions (it needs “confinement” and sufficient heat energy and/or a shockwave)

    I’m pretty sure that’s completely incorrect…

    Ammonium nitrate by itself is not a fuel and cannot burn, it simply provides a very high concentration of oxygen, which is required for chemical combustion…

    A lot of the info in the media right now is very scientifically uninformed, nothing new there…and they are conflating the issue of ammonium nitrate DECOMPOSING, which releases oxygen gas in high concentrations…and an actual explosion, which will ALWAYS require a fuel source…

    Here is an example in Scientific American…

    Ammonium nitrate does not burn on its own.

    Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (burning) of other materials.

    So far, so good…

    At high enough temperatures, however, ammonium nitrate can violently decompose on its own. This process creates gases including nitrogen oxides and water vapour.

    It is this rapid release of gases that causes an explosion.

    And there is the conflation…where are the other materials just mentioned…?

    Because you still need a FUEL source…oil, gasoline, kerosene or explosives like TNT etc…to actually provide the chemical energy for combustion…if you don’t have that, you will just have a lot of vaporized oxygen in the air, with nothing for it to react with…

    Once again, even the ‘science’ media is failing at properly explaining very basic science…

  210. geokat62 says:

    • Thanks: Art
  211. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Does incest run in your family? Did Rothchild marry their nieces and nephews until late into 19 th century?
    Even today the incest is so common among the Jewish neocons but this time its ideological.

  212. @Mario Partisan

    A (weaponized) smart bird makes sense; thank you for sharing. I saw the first video you posted when it appeared online and asked myself similar questions: 1) how big is that bird? (haven’t seen anything that size in Beirut or Lebanon, ever), and it even stranger that it looked so big at such distance and 2) why is it going towards the smoke (it can be argued that it did not (depth perception) – but the trajectory/timing of the bird and the explosion match perfectly.

    @Joe Levantine here posted a video that is aligned with your bird hatching an egg argument:

    The question I have: the flying object in the first video you posted went towards the smoke, while the video I re-posted from Joe shows the flying object hatching something then leaving.

  213. @Majority of One

    Hey Major One.

    The politicians and gangsters running that portion of the port were from factions opposed to Hezbollah.

    Would you be able to provide a source for this? If verifiable, this would be an important piece of evidence.

    By the way, I’m with you on these PEACE activists, aka Pharisaic Elite Assets Controlling Explanations.

    • Replies: @Iris
  214. Ammonium nitrate can explode BY ITSELF (that is, without any added ingredients such as a sensitizer or fuel) under the right conditions (it needs “confinement” and sufficient heat energy and/or a shockwave)

    I’m pretty sure that’s completely incorrect…

    I’m pretty sure it isn’t. But if it is then there are lots of peer reviewed papers out there that are also completely incorrect, starting with those cited in the Picatinny Arsenal Technical Report 2700 that I linked to in my comment #191 above.

    “Ammonium nitrate by itself is not a fuel and cannot burn, it simply provides a very high concentration of oxygen, which is required for chemical combustion…”

    You’re looking at it the wrong way. It’s an “oxidizer” that can decompose explosively under the right conditions. Look at the molecule itself: NH4NO3 it’s totally comprised of gasses, and back to gas (and water vapor) it will go with the release of energy when sufficiently initiated. I’m not saying it’s not a lousy explosive, it is, but detonate by itself it will.

    “Detonation in Ammonium Nitrate
    STEWART PATERSON & JEAN M. DAVIDSON
    Nature volume 195, pages277–278(1962)

    IT has been appreciated for many years(1–5) that ammonium nitrate, even when free from combustible material, can detonate. This is not surprising, since the products of decomposition must be entirely gaseous and have substantially less energy of formation than the original substance. For example, if the nitrogen is not oxidized, the energy released at constant volume, with water in the vapour phase, is 380 cal./gm. or 8.7 kcal. per mole of gas. This is, of course, rather low compared with typical values for explosives, which lie in the range 20–50 kcal./mole gas. The temperatures and pressures reached in the detonation wave will therefore also be relatively low, and one might expect the substance to detonate with difficulty and only under good confinement. This is found to be so. For normal material at densities around 1 gm./cm.3, cartridge diameters of many inches or heavy metal tubes are necessary(6,7), and even then the measured speeds are much lower than the maximum values calculated for products N2 + 2H2O + ½O2. This has led eome (sic) authors8 to conclude that an equilibrium involving oxides of nitrogen is more appropriate, and that the release of energy is of order 230 cal./gm.”

    https://www.nature.com/articles/195277a0?proof=t

    Ammonium nitrate is not the only molecule that will do this. Look at what ammonium perchlorate, also an “oxidizer” did to the PEPCON plant in Nevada in 1988, for example.

    “Here is an example in Scientific American…

    Ammonium nitrate does not burn on its own.

    Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (burning) of other materials.”

    Well that’s true as far as it goes but it ignores the fact that the ammonium nitrate can not only supply oxygen but also energy since it decomposes exothermically. So you can think of ammonium nitrate as a very insensitive explosive with a positive oxygen balance (OB). So if you have an insensitive explosive with a positive oxygen balance the obvious thing to do is to add a fuel to bring the OB closer to zero, making it not only more powerful but generally also more sensitive. This is why they mix it with TNT to create amatol or powdered aluminum to create ammonal or fuel oil to create ANFO.

    • Replies: @FB
  215. turtle says:
    @FB

    A lot of the info in the media right now is very scientifically uninformed, nothing new there

    Standard textbook on inorganic chemistry:
    https://www.wiley.com/en-us/Advanced+Inorganic+Chemistry%2C+6th+Edition-p-9780471199571
    A bit pricey, but any university library should have at least one copy. If you have a friend who has taken a university level inorganic chemistry class, chances are excellent this was the required text.
    The authors:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Albert_Cotton
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Wilkinson
    My copy of C & W is 2nd edition.
    in that edition, NH4NO3 is discussed, briefly, on pp. 334-335.
    According to C & W:
    NH4N03(l) = N20(g) + 2H2O(g)
    There is more there for anyone who wishes to investigate.
    No doubt anyone with requisite background can consult more specialized texts.

  216. @FB

    See my reply in comment #218.

    There is also another paper I have on the subject – which demonstrates the detonability of pure prilled ammonium nitrate – but the copy I have is missing an important page or two. (I am looking for the complete paper).

    Detonation characteristics of prilled ammonium nitrate
    C. H. Winning

    Fire Technology volume 1, pages23–31(1965)Cite this article

    Abstract
    Detonation characteristics of prilled ammonium nitrate vary greatly with physical factors. Minimum primer requirements and minimum propagating diameters of industrial and fertilizer grade prills are compared as well as the detonation velocities and blast effects of prill “shots” of various sizes and degrees of confinement. The sensitizing effect of elevated temperature on AN detonations also is demonstrated.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02588441

    • Replies: @A123
  217. @FB

    Hey FB,

    Below, a true & scary story about a haz mat emergency spill response which happened in 1997, on Pennsylvania I-80 West, nearby the Buckhorn exit. A remote area.

    A tractor trailer hauling AN FO in (separate compartments) had an accident, and a small amount of ammonium nitrate spilled upon off road dirt; approximately 4′ × 8′; required Pa DEP remediation.

    A wise field technician warned my company’s incident supervisor that the dirt might contain residual diesel fuel, originating from tractor trailer saddle tanks past highway spill’s.🤔

    Our highly intelligent supervisor took Hnu meter readings, shrugged off the warning, and directed our men to manually excavate the AN impacted soil, & store the material inside US DOT approved 17H drums and provide for transportation & disposal.

    My dear work colleagues/friends, Field Technicians Don Ogin & Dave Hughes, tightened the bolts, labeled them, & proceeded to load two (2) drums containing (Non-DOT Hazardous Solid) AN contaminated soil onto our vehicle’s lift gate equipped trailer. They used billable drum carts.

    In mere minutes, and while the supervisor took post excavation samples of the impacted area, the waste within the sealed drums rapidly heated, blew up, like a bomb.💥 Don and Dave were lucky to survive and tell me the story which never came to local Media attention.

    Frankly, as an OSHA Certified Haz Mat Spill Response Supervisor, and were I in charge at the scene, am unsure if I would have listened to the warning about just enough fuel possibly being upon the AN contaminated dirt.

    Of course, I endorse how you wrote: ” Once again, even the ‘science’ media is failing at properly explaining very basic science…”
    Thanks, FB.

    • Replies: @FB
  218. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Okay…so basically this decomposition of ammonium nitrate by itself does release some energy…a lot less than any explosive [nearly an order of magnitude], but simply from the chemical breakdown that undoes the molecular bonds…

    But this chemical breakdown itself needs a lot of heat…again, I’m not well versed on the particular chemistry of this particular substance…but I know that air will begin dissociating at about 2000 C…breaking up into its constituent elements of oxygen and nitrogen primarily…

    So what kind of heat is required to set this AN decomposition in action…?

    I would think it is considerable…

    Also from that paper you’re quoting…

    …one might expect the substance to detonate with difficulty and only under good confinement.

    In other words, in order to produce any energy at all, you have to pack this material into a closed volume and then heat it…and we note that he specifically references ‘energy released at constant volume…’

    So if I am interpreting this correctly, it means this kind of energy release is only going to happen if it’s packed into a pipe for instance…what happens if you have a bunch of this material just lying around and somehow enough heat is applied that it starts breaking down…?

    This is not a constant volume process…it’s a constant pressure process, because any energy release is going to simply propagate in the ambient atmospheric pressure…

    Thanks for your input…but I would say we still need a proper explanation about whether this kind of explosion is feasible or not…even if the chemical breakdown itself releases energy, I don’t see that this in itself could cause the kind of blast wave that we saw…that was a very powerful pressure wave…

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Harold Smith
  219. Jmaie says:
    @Goose

    The Chicoms will use this to get their base of operations into the Med.

    The container handling part of the port was seemingly untouched, so most trade will continue as normal…

  220. DaveE says:
    @Majority of One

    VT has been VERY anxious to inform us all that Israel was behind the Beirut attack.

    Undoubtedly Israel WAS behind the attack. But the fact that VT is so damn proud to inform us of this fact makes me think that zion WANTS us to know Israel did it – and VT is proud to comply. Why? To provide a pretext for the coming “retaliation”, done by Israel but blamed on Iran or Russia (etc. etc.) and make it appear legitimate.

    This is just Part One, folks. VT’s “enthusiasm” for fingering Israel directly makes it quite obvious there’s more to come.

    And yes, their off-the-charts arrogance makes THAT obvious to those of us who have been following VT for a while.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  221. @A123

    [[ Taqiyya ]] [[ /Taqiyaa ]]
    [[ Jihadist ]] [[ /Jihadist ]]
    [[ ChildKiller ]] [[ /ChildKiller ]]
    [[ BabyRaper ]] [[ /BabyRaper ]]

    Beautiful self-description by a jew. Thanks!

  222. turtle says:
    @FB

    C & W give the heat of decomposition as -5.5 kcl/mole
    That is for liquid AN decomposing to nitrous oxide plus water vapor
    NH4NO3(l) => N2O(g) + 2H2O(g)

    N2O (nitrous oxide) is “laughing gas,” and is itself a powerful oxidizer, frequently used by hot rodders (nitrous injection) to increase engine output.

    At higher temperatures, (again quoting C & W)

    2N2O => 2N2 + O2

    no heat of decomposition is listed for that reaction.

    It is common knowledge that under high heat & pressure (such as engine exhaust), N2 will oxidize to a mixture of NO & NO2, the mixture being designated NOx. NO is colorless, but NO2 is brownish color. So, chances are the “brown cloud” seen in the course of the Beirut explosion was NO2.

    C & W go on to say:

    Ammonium nitrate can be caused to detonate when initiated by another high explosive

    and

    The decomposition of of liquid ammonium nitrate can also become explosively rapid, particularly when catalyzed by traces of acid and chloride.

    and

    there are a number of instances of disastrous explosions following after fires

    (emphasis added)

    • Replies: @FB
  223. Just wondering…

    If there really was any AN left on the port on the day of the bombing?!

  224. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    The sensitizing effect of elevated temperature on AN detonations also is demonstrated.

    A very important point.

    The Ammonium Nitrate in Warehouse 12 was pre-heated by the fire that started in Warehouse 7. The “senitizing” of the material is what allowed all 3,000,000 kg to detonate as one blast, rather than several smaller events.

    Once the event begins:
    — The creation of gas increases pressure
    — The reaction generates additional heat
    Both of these serve to feed the reaction.

    As the already hot, adjacent Ammonium Nitrate is hit by the pressure/heat it goes off. Creating more heat, more gas, and more pressure that runs through the material.
    ________

    I provided a picture of the PEPCON incident up at #134. Not only did the perchlorate detonate, it also produced a mushroom cloud.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Olivier1973
  225. Just wondering a little more…

    “BEIRUT Explosion 2020 vs TIANJIN Explosion 2015”

    Only 1 169 views

  226. FB says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski

    Thanks Chuck…

    A wise field technician warned my company’s incident supervisor that the dirt might contain residual diesel fuel, originating from tractor trailer saddle tanks past highway spill’s.

    Yes, that was a good call…again, I’m no expert on this, but obviously the diesel contained in that dirt was the fuel that combusted in the ensuing explosion…we have not heard anything about a fuel source for this Beirut explosion, just the AN itself…

    And also the fact that this diesel and AN mixture was packed into barrels…I wonder now if this can cause that AN to start heating up in an exothermic process like when you mix epoxy resin with the catalyst…it starts heating up and can start smoking…

    So I’m thinking if a similar thing can happen with AN when mixed with something to cause it to start heating up, then that might cause it to begin a chain reaction where the heat release then causes more hat to build up, decomposing more AN, thus releasing more energy etc…?

    But once again…none of this mixing with anything was reported in Beirut…the AN was sitting in plastic bags…so how could any such chain reaction have started…?

    It doesn’t make any sense…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  227. @FB

    Well as the historical record shows, pure ammonium nitrate when accidentally detonated – generally at inopportune times and places – can do a lot of damage.

    And there are a few papers floating around (that are not behind a pay wall) that explore the “TNT equivalency” of bulk ammonium nitrate, usually in the context of planning or in post-disaster analysis.

    Here’s a link to one such paper I found where the TNT equivalency of bulk ammonium nitrate was found to be 32% – in the case where detonation was due to projectile impact (see Table AIII-2; appendix page AIII-xii; browser page 60).

    So if someone detonated the 2750 tons of AN with a high explosive it seems reasonable that it would be at least equivalent to 0.32 x 2750 = 880 tons of TNT, IMO.

    https://www.orica.com/ArticleDocuments/493/2012_Orica-KI_revised_PHA.pdf.aspx

    • Replies: @A123
    , @FB
  228. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    Thanks…that gives some insight into the chemical reaction that takes during decomposition…

    But again…what is required in terms of heat or pressure or something else to initiate the chemical decomposition in the first place…?

    Yes, it can be initiated by an explosion, such as in that German fertilizer plant where they were using dynamite to break up solidified chunks of the material…or by heat etc…

    But how much heat…and does the AN need to be in an enclosed volume [ie pressure vessel] in order for that heat to build up pressure and the decomposition to start…?

    At this point, it simply doesn’t make sense that this AN stored in plastic bags could somehow start such a chain reaction…

    And even if let’s say a fire started that decomposition, which led to a release of energy by decomposition…this by itself, without fuel, would still not make the kind of blast wave we saw…because the energy release from decomposition is not actually an explosion…because an explosion requires combustion…whereas an energy release from chemical decomposition is a different and much less energetic reaction than an explosion…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
    , @turtle
  229. @Iris

    I too agree that Meyssan isn’t always right. His second latest article alludes that the warehouse belonged to Hezbollah – when that is incorrect.

    “However, this is not what we have just witnessed in Beirut: a Hezbollah unloading warehouse was hit by a new weapon and exploded.”

    Otherwise, and this is where I respectfully disagree with you – Meyssan has contributed considerably on exposing the truth of important cases (9/11, flase-flag killing of Hariri, etc) and that he does point to both the US and Israel often.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
    , @Iris
  230. @FB

    FB wrote:. “But once again…none of this mixing with anything was reported in Beirut…the AN was sitting in plastic bags…so how could any such chain reaction have started…?
    It doesn’t make any sense…”

    Totally agree, FB.

    A spark from a welder operation was reported having occurred inside the Beirut port building, 🤔but most curiously, no report about requisite fuel component… yet. Doubtless, the welder & bagged AN did not survive to make confirmation of his Work Order.

    When old Zionist lies peder out, they make bigger & better lies. Thanks once again.

  231. @Majority of One

    Has our resident Zio-troll committed an own goal?

    All that is required is a pro-Lebanon patriot brave/foolhardy enough to stream something [the Grain Silo Video] that humiliates Nasrallah.

    Pharisaic Elite Asset Controlling Explanations, aka, A-hole123, has been very active on this topic here at UR, attempting to substantiate the industrial accident explanation for The Beirut Blast, while simultaneously laying blame for the accident at the feet of Lebanese Resistance leader SHN. It is apparent that A-hole123’s investigative skills are so great that he was able to establish guilt even prior to the event.

    To buttress his case, he has provided links to a National Endowment for Democracy-supported website, Belling(s)cat, that is run by a figure associated with neoconservative org, the Atlantic Council, which is in the vanguard of social media censorship activities.

    https://thegrayzone.com/2018/10/29/shamiwitness-how-bellingcat-and-neocons-collaborated-with-the-most-influential-isis-propagandist-on-twitter/
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/facebook-censorship-and-the-atlantic-council/5656896

    There is a post at Belling(s)cat’s website dated 8/4/20 and authored by one Nick Waters. The post contains a 20-second long video that Waters uses to support the case that exploding munitions provided the detonation necessary to explode the stored AN.

    The video, which I will refer to as the Grain Silo Video (GSV), is interesting in that it is clearly the closest video to the site of The Blast that is available.

    The proximity of the video to The Blast has led all thinking people to conclude that no human being could have survived The Blast to later upload the video, suggesting that the video (whether taken by drone or human hand-held device) was live-streamed to some destination in real time. Strangely, Waters does not entertain this idea, and instead attempts to suggest that the explosion in the GSV is not The Blast; the implication being, of course, that the individual filming the vid survived. This is impossible as the time gap between the small explosion and The Blast is only about 30 seconds, as I documented in my post #154. Even A-hole123 acknowledges, in his reply to me, that a live stream is the only likely explanation for the GSV. (He wants to take credit for this observation, but that was the point of my post. “Talmudic inversion” comes to mind once again.)

    Now, this got me thinking: who would feel the need to live-stream this event, as opposed to just recording the event? Perhaps there are many people who would choose to live-stream, but it would be the only option for those who are there to “document the event.”

    So, I decided to investigate the background of the video a little. Here is what I discovered:

    1) The video in Water’s article, opens in YT to an unlisted/private video posted to Bellingcat’s channel.

    2) A private, unlisted video does not appear in search results and can only be shared by providing the link. (Initially, I thought that someone must have sent the unlisted link to Bellingcat, but now that I think about it more, it seems that Bellingcat was most likely the entity that chose to make the video unlisted, as the mechanics of making a video unlisted require access to one’s account.)

    3) A hyperlink associated with the video in Water’s article opens to the Twitter feed of an anti-Shia activist journo (Alavi), who says the video is “from” another individual who is an anti-Shia activist in Lebanon (Ayoub).

    So, it seems that the GSV is indeed associated with a network that has an agenda aimed at the SHN-led Resistance.

    [MORE]

    A-hole123 replied to me with:

    You are making an assumption that the handoff happened in a single step.

    Given the number of young people who despised Nasrallah’s corruption, the fire burning in al’Hezbollah Warehouse 12 would tend to attract those who want to anonymously stream video.

    Once streamed and posted, it could easily have been shared, copied, and shared again, multiple times before it reached someone who provided the unlisted link to Bellingcat.

    First, I didn’t assume that the handoff [to Bellingcat] happened in a single step. I said that it must have traveled within a network associated to some degree with Bellingcat. A-hole123 is right that it could have been shared and copied many times, but the fact remains that Bellingcat obtained the GSV on 8/4/20, the day of The Blast, and attributes the GSV to a network whose agenda is in line with Bellingcat’s.

    Moreover, there are several other things to consider:

    1) A Twitter search for “Beirut grain silo video” and “Beirut silo video” does not show any independent uploads, but only retweets of the Bellingcat YT video.

    2) Searching YT I could only find one other posting of the video, associated with a non-political tutorial site of a person who claims to live in Lebanon, but whose English is very good.

    3) So, if it was shared privately many times before reaching Bellingcat, it was not uploaded many times. The main posts of the video are associated directly with Bellingcat or with anti-Hezbo activists.

    4) Bellingcat’s YT channel only as 4.55K subscribers, i.e. it is relatively obscure. Those who would provide Bellingcat with the video would most likely be people associated with an agenda-oriented network that is familiar with it.

    So let’s let A-hole123 repeat himself, yet again:

    All that is required is a pro-Lebanon patriot brave/foolhardy enough to stream something [the Grain Silo Video] that humiliates Nasrallah.

    So, he acknowledges that the video was made with an anti-Hezbo agenda in mind, but attributes it to a random “pro-Lebanon patriot.”

    This begs the question: why would an ordinary citizen of Lebanon feel that a random port fire would humiliate Nasrallah? Clearly, if that ordinary patriot anticipated a nuke-like blast, they would not have filmed so closely, right?

    A-hole123 wants us to believe that the private video associated with obscure, but establishment connected, Bellingcat was live-streamed by an in-the-flesh person, with an anti-Hezbo agenda, whose actions indicate no foreknowledge of The Blast soon to come, but who felt that a relative non-event would really hurt Nasrallah, and just got posthumously “lucky.”

    Or, maybe this whole thing was intended to hurt Hezbo, and the Bellingcat GSV is exactly what we have been saying it is: a drone live-streaming to a network of destabilization agents who intended to use it to roll out a pro-Zio narrative as early as possible.

    Last thing: according to The Guardian’s timeline of events,

    August 4, 2020, 6:08PM:

    A massive blast shakes Beirut. One of the first markers of the event on social media is a tweet from Adam Baron, a resident of a neighbourhood close to the port. His tweet appears at 6:09pm. He says he sent it “while I was still cowering, so within a minute” of the explosion.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/beirut-blast-timeline-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-explosion-lebanon

    In his twitter bio, Mr. Baron (((?))), refers to himself as a “think tanker in remission.”

    At a webpage associated with Williams college, a Mr. Baron describes himself as: “I am currently based in Beirut, where I work as a writer and political analyst. I am a fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations…”
    https://arabic.williams.edu/adam-baron/

    So, an anti-Hezbo network is associated with the closest footage available and the first tweet about the event comes from a Beirut expat associated with the CFR. How convenient.

    Let’s try to get that source on the port.

  232. @Harold Smith

    Some people are all hung-up on the cover-story, the AN. Most of us posters who are attempting to delve deeply into the who’s, the why’s and the wherefores are getting a bit bored and somewhat browned-off with all this folderol akin to “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin”. Enough, I say. Enough!

  233. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Here’s a link to one such paper I found where the TNT equivalency of bulk ammonium nitrate was found to be 32%

    That matches the 3:1 Rule of Thumb that I was given ages ago.

    — The publicly shared blast estimates are 1,000,000 – 1,500,000 kg of TNT equivalent.
    — The rule of thumb scores 900,000 – 1,000,000 kg of TNT equivalent.

    Given that TNT versus AN generate somewhat different types of explosions, those numbers are close enough to be consistent. Everyone interested in objective facts accepts that the working material for the blast was aged Ammonium Nitrate in the Iranian al’Hezbollah Warehouse #12.

    PEACE 😇

  234. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Harold, I don’t think it’s that simple…

    First about those historic explosions…we do not know the precise circumstances of how those were set in motion, in terms of the thermodynamic chemistry involved…so that counts for nothing…

    We need to understand here how exactly that physics works…and we don’t yet have a clear picture…

    The ONLY thing we know at this point is that yes AN can release energy without actually burning any fuel, simply by dint of its chemical decomposition…

    This is all well and good, although the energy released is a lot less than a combustion energy release…

    BUT…we still need to understand just what is REQUIRED to set that chemical decomp0sition in motion, don’t we…?

    If you can provide a coherent explanation, then I’m all ears…

    But from what I understand right now, setting off that chemical decomposition requires HEAT, and it may also require pressure [ie being in a sealed volume where the pressure will build up as the heat builds up]…

    It seems to me at this point that both of those ingredients are necessary…and neither of those ingredients [heat and closed volume pressure] appear to have been present in Beirut…

    Therefore we DO NOT actually have any grounds to conclude that this happened…

    And also, I have to object to your use of AN being ‘detonated’…accidentally or otherwise…the energy released by chemical decomposition is NOT any kind of detonation, nor any kind of combustion…so let’s keep our terminology suitably precise…I have already mentioned that creating heat by mixing two materials together, such as epoxy resin and catalyst, is another example of an exothermic reaction…

    But that is NOT an explosion, and neither is AN chemically decomposing…every chemical reaction that produces heat is exothermic, including explosions…but not every exothermic event is an explosion…

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  235. @DaveE

    ‘Undoubtedly Israel WAS behind the attack. But the fact that VT is so damn proud to inform us of this fact makes me think that zion WANTS us to know Israel did it – and VT is proud to comply. Why? To provide a pretext for the coming “retaliation”, done by Israel but blamed on Iran or Russia (etc. etc.) and make it appear legitimate…’

    Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

    I noticed long ago that Israel is a past master at acting and speaking so that the message plays differently for different audiences. It’s perfectly possible that some are to believe this is an accident, while others are to realize that Israel did it, and understand why she did it.

    As with the Corona Virus, I’m not convinced of any one explanation here. My mind is genuinely open.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  236. @FB

    To turtle, FB said: “At this point, it simply doesn’t make sense that this AN stored in plastic bags could somehow start such a chain reaction…”

    Hey FB!

    Gave more thought to AN being “stored in plastic bags.”🤔

    Crude oil & nowadays, natural gas is used to make plastic products.

    Subsequently, the bagged Beirut Ammonium Nitrate might have been either burlap or hemp. Presumably not plastic stuff. 💥

    Thanks again. The available warehouse pictures might be similar to the cloth upon Jeffrey Epstein’s phoney gurney. 😈

    • Replies: @FB
  237. @Hiram of Tyre

    Epistemologically, as all intellectuals, politicians, individuals in power should, he is expected to come out, and answer for himself if his analysis is obviously contradicted, even when made in-obvious, by other evidence.

    Being wrong is not the issue, persisting and clenching to the static narrative as posted is the issue for all journalists. This is indeed a systemic issue, including here at unz.com. The Covid death toll predictions by Ronn and Karlinn were grossly off all charts and never was an apology to the readers issued, in whatever form or shape. A far worse example of gross egotism.

    • Replies: @L.K
  238. L.K says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Iran, like all, has plans in the region.

    Of course it does, and so does Russia, but I don’t recall Meyssan complaining about Russian meddling in the internal affairs of Syria, which from what I can tell, and I’ve been following the war in Syria from the start, appears much more real.

    Questioning Iran’s plan if they happen to hinger Syria’s sovereignty and/or ability to move forward doesn’t equate to being a disinformation agent.

    This is quite ridiculous, the notion that Iran may be hindering “Syria’s sovereignty and/or ability to move forward”. Iran has been doing NO such thing. But while keeping Syria as a member of the so called axis of resistance by keeping its government in place is crucial to Iran’s security, as well as strenghtening Syria’s position vis-à-vis Israel, not to say anything about the disaster that would represent for Hezbollah if Syria were to exit the pact, since its weapons and munitions come through Syria/Lebanese land routes, the game Russia is playing is much less vital for her, and Russia is NOT a member of the resistance to Israel in the area… Yet I don’t recall this Meyssan guy saying much of anything about such matters…

    I can stand corrected on Rouhani’s positive contribution to the Iranian society (industry, infrastucrue, etc) – I reckon that he did do good – but it does not mean that they are not and/or do not support the Muslim Brotherhood. …
    Who would you say the Atlanticists are in Iran?

    You misunderstand me. President Rouhani is a DISASTER for the Iranian economy. Many of the people Rouhani represents are the “Atlanticists” of Iran.
    Iran deals pragmatically with the Muslim Brotherhood. It may support an offshoot of it, as in Hamas, but opposes those branches that are sectarian, such as Salafi-infested branch of the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, where Iran supports the allied Syrian government against sectarian Muslim Brothers.

  239. @Iris

    I cannot swallow that Rohani wanted to get rid of Soleimani. This would be high treason and dealt with accordingly.

  240. L.K says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Regarding the economics of Iran, I’d suggest you read Iranian Professor of economics, Ismael Hossein-Zadeh. His website appears to be down, but some of his articles can be found at counterpunch and a few other outlets.
    OCTOBER 3, 2018
    Neoliberal Economics: The Plague of Iran’s Economy
    by ISMAEL HOSSEIN-ZADEH
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/03/neoliberal-economics-the-plague-of-irans-economy/

    The Iranian economy is mired in a deep recession. …
    Two major sets of culprits account for most of the economic disaster in Iran: one external, the other internal. External factors consist largely of the U.S.-sponsored economic sanctions. Internal factors are rooted primarily in the appalling mismanagement of Iran’s economy. Debilitating mismanagement and lack of a guiding macroeconomic plan are, in turn, rooted in President Rouhani’s and his advisors’ economic outlook or philosophy. According to this philosophy, economic affairs must be delegated to the “invisible hand” of the market mechanism: there is no role or room for the government to intervene, monitor or guide the economy. This irresponsible, out-of-date, and out-of-place doctrine is succinctly epitomized in the old aphorism that “The best government is that which governs least.”

    Since adverse effects of sanctions on Iran’s economy are relatively well-known, I would rather focus here on the destructive consequences of the Rouhani administration’s laissez faire…

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/11/06/why-iran-needs-a-war-economy/

    Faced with the relentless U.S. economic war, Iran needs a war economy. Indeed, the plan of a war economy should not be very difficult for Iran to implement since it has a relatively successful experience of carrying out such a plan: during the 8-year war with Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, Iran embarked on an extensive state-guided economic management that effectively provided for both its military and civilian needs. Because of the revolutionary atmosphere of the time, and because of the corresponding spirit of generosity, selflessness, social cohesion, and national unity the country was able to effectively withstand both the military and economic wars launched against its territory and its people. Despite the extremely costly war, both in terms of blood and treasure, and despite the fact that Iran’s total output, or national income, at the time was only a fraction of what it is today, its people did not experience nearly as much economic hardship as they do today. Why? Mainly because its national resources were at the time distributed relatively equitably—unlike today where those resources are monopolized and plundered by a clique of financial oligarchs and economic mafias. …

    To embark on a war-economy route, Iran needs, first and foremost, to revive the real (value-producing) sector of its economy, that is, manufacturing and agricultural activities. These real-value and employment generating activities, which are the physical or material sources of the wealth of a nation, as the classical economist Adam Smith put it, have become dormant under President Rouhani…

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
  241. sarz says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Thierry Meyssan is French intelligence

    He has been a very brave and principled journalist in Linya and then Syria. But then something seems to have happened to him. I realised he had gone off the rails with his rapturous endorsement of Trump’s plan for Palestine. His stuff is getting stranger and stranger. The Iran analysis, when compared to a detached but sympathetic account by Ramin Mazaheri, is surrealistic. I doubt he’s sold out. But he seems to have lost it. Could be he’s just seen too much evil. I wonder what his status is with the Syrisn government.

  242. Still believe the fertilizer theory? LOL Listen to the jets attacking Beirut port:

    you can clearly hear the jet @1:18 then the first bomb

    CASE CLOSED, IT WAS AN ATTACK, NOT AN ACCIDENT

  243. FB says: • Website
    @ChuckOrloski

    Good point about the bags, Chuck…

    Yes, I agree completely with your assessment…it would more likely be burlap, rather than petrochemical plastic…👍

    Still would like to hear some of the participants here explaining the basic physics required to set off this non-explosive energy release from the AN decomposition…

    In the meantime, I did come across a rather silly piece in Wired that says the pressure wave from the explosion was apparently measured at a speed of only about 300 meters per second…this means it’s NOT a shock wave as we get from explosions, since these are in fact supersonic and much much more destructive…

    I had pointed out earlier that the energy release from chemical decomposition of AN is a lot less than any kind of combustion energy release…but yet we see a huge, deep crater, plus concrete building knocked down for miles around…that only happens from shock waves…not pressure waves…

    It seems our media is quickly saturating with a very clear narrative in mind…and junk science galore…

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @turtle
  244. Oh yeah, what a coincidence, all those sabotages in Iran:

    Bibi is on the move, gettin’ his war on. Will he start WW3 before the election to keep Trump in office?

    • Replies: @Mario Partisan
  245. turtle says:
    @FB

    Excellent questions, to which I do not have (all) the answers.
    The reference I cited says only:

    Ammonium nitrate volatilizes reversibly at moderate temperatures; at higher temperatures, irreversible decomposition occurs exothermically.

    “Reversibly” means AN is in equilibrium with its decomposition products. At higher temperatures, the reaction proceeds to completion. But C&W, being a general textbook, does not get more specific. “How much higher?” is obviously the critical question. Perhaps someone here knows the answer, or can find out…

    German fertilizer plant where they were using dynamite to break up solidified chunks of the material

    which just seems really stupid, to me.

    doesn’t make sense that this AN stored in plastic bags

    It make no sense to me the product, which is known to be hygroscopic, was left in a warehouse near the sea for 7 years. But then, there may be no limit to human stupidity.

    the energy release from decomposition is not actually an explosion

    Well, I would say a sufficiently violent release of energy, no matter the source or the exact mechanism, is what most people would call an explosion. For example, if a steam boiler fails in a violent manner, most people would say it exploded, although there is no combustion, just material failure of the containment vessel, followed by a violent expansion of gaseous H2O against atmospheric pressure.

    So, if the chemical decomposition of AN can become “explosively rapid,” as C&W (and other sources) say it can, then (walks like a duck, quacks like a duck) we should most likely call it an explosion. Mr. Smith, here, has been hammering on that idea for some time.

    You might think of the reversible decomposition of liquid AN at moderate temperature and pressure as being analogous to vapor pressure of a liquid, or of a solid, except that in this case we have chemical decomposition rather than a phase change. So, water at room temperature & pressure has an equilibrium vapor pressure, less than atmospheric. The boiling point, by definition is the temperature at which vapor pressure equals ambient pressure. Since you are a flier, no doubt you are extremely familiar with the barometric equation and its consequences.

    But as I said, I do not have the quantitative answers you are looking for. Someone may very well have that data, and I, too, would be interested to know the actual numbers. “To measure is to know,” as someone once said.

  246. L.K says:
    @PetrOldSack

    The Covid death toll predictions by Ronn and Karlinn were grossly off all charts and never was an apology to the readers issued, in whatever form or shape.

    I rarely read Karlin, but I regularly read Ron Unz, and from what I recall, Ron’s death toll “predictions”, if one could even call it that, were predicated on the idea that NOTHING would be done, day to day life as usual.

    Although the US authorities badly mismanaged the pandemic response, plenty of measures were implemented, in some states better than in others.
    If no measures had been taken there is no way of knowing what the death toll in the US, the worst in the world, now at nearly 170.000 deaths, would look like.

    So perhaps it is people like you who should offer an apology, since you are misrepresenting Ron Unz’s position.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  247. jsinton says:
    @Kapyong

    Excellent video Kapyong. It tells the whole story. The adjacent warehouse full of fireworks caught fire and blew up. It was enough to atomize the ammonium nitrate and cause a fuel-air explosion. The warehouse fire could have been started with a single match, or in this case, a single blow torch.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  248. turtle says:
    @FB

    silly piece in Wired that says the pressure wave from the explosion was apparently measured at a speed of only about 300 meters per second…this means it’s NOT a shock wave as we get from explosions, since these are in fact supersonic and much much more destructive…

    If you can locate, even approximately, the venue from which any of the online videos were taken (such as top of one of the grain silos) with respect to the warehouse then you can do your own calculation.

    Use your watch, or stopwatch, to measure the time between the appearance of the big white hemisphere and the arrival of the shock wave at the camera location.
    Distance/time = wave speed

    • Replies: @FB
  249. jsinton says:

    There you have it. All my questions have been answered.

    First of all, the paper trail of how the ammonium nitrate got to Beirut is a lot of dead ends. I believe Hezbollah purchased the AN in a scam and got it to Beirut by a hoax.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mystery-deepens-investigators-trace-ownership-chemicals-blew-beirut

    Then Kapyong provided the answer as to HOW it blew up with his video from the Daily Mail. The adjacent warehouse full of fireworks caught fire and blew up. It was enough to atomize enough AN and cause a fuel- air explosion. Fuel-air explosions of this nature are common and occur from a variety of household substances under the right conditions.

    The only answer unfinished, which I think will be as allusive as “who shot Kennedy” will not be satisfactorally answered in anyone’s lifetime in the public realm. That is “who dunnit?” One thing for certain is Hezbollah has acted extremely guilty and wants to memory hole the whole event. That implies guilt to me.

    Thanks to Kapyong for the video that explains all the “hows”.

    • Replies: @Iris
  250. A123 says:

    Why is Mario-Paedo apprehensive about the video Nasrallah’s warehouse?

    Mario-Paedo conceded that it is a film of the warehouse. He then tries random diversionary tactics about some sort of drone near the silo roof. Given that the recording has voices, it is objectively near certain that people were running hand held video from the silo roof. Why is Mario-Paedo blithering about a drone when the evidence does not support such a conclusion?

    Mario-Paedo, myself, and just about everyone else on the planet understands that the video was an amateurish live stream. Will Mario-Paedo soon announce that he owns the knowledge “water is wet”, and declare everyone else on the planet is copying his discovery? Again, it seems like he is trying to distract from the underlying facts.

    Lebanon has a population of about 7 MM. If that 3.0-3.5 MM are Christians & Druze who despise the damage that Iranian al’Hezbollah has done to their nation. Does Mario-Paedo actually believe 3.5 MM people are secretly conspiring with Bellingcat, so the person who took the video must be a conspirator. If one refuses to buy into IslamoGloboPaedo propaganda, one will immediately see the flaw in that delusion. The video was almost certainly taken by one of the 3.5 MM people who hate Nasrallah, but that does not automatically mean they are tied directly to Bellingcat.

    Multiple people, including Mario-Paedo, have missed the evidentiary value of this piece of video. The roof is in place, the windows are unshattered, and the sound is of small arms ammunition (pistol-rifle) cooking off. The final bang in the video was enough to cause the brave/foolhardy people on the silo to stop streaming and retreat, but the building remained intact. This the video proves that there was a fire inside Iranian al’Hezbollah Warehouse #12 many minutes before the final explosion. The hazard was gradual (e.g. a fire) rather than sudden (e.g. a bomb).

    When we jump to the much later video seconds before the final detonation, half of al’Hezbollah Warehouse #12 is in flames with that section of roof missing. The large white flash explosions are very constant and some of them appear to be 10m+ above the roofline. Fireworks explosions would be in different colors and patterns, Mario-Paedo missed this detail. The objective evidence strongly indicates these are heavy munitions from Nasrallah’s weapons depot.
    _____

    So what can reasonably conclude from the evidence in hand?

    Iranian al’Hezbollah Warehouse #12 contained:
    — Small arms ammunition
    — Larger munitions, probably rocket related
    — 3,000,000 kg of six year old Ammonium Nitrate

    Lebanese Christians and Druze understand that the root cause of the disaster was Nasrallah’s munition depot adjacent to residential Beruit. As a consequence, they are driving out Iranian al’Hezbollah and associated Dhimmi collaborators, such as Michel Aoun.

    The days of IslamoGloboPaedo in Lebanon are coming to an end, and Mario-Paedo is quite distressed by this TRUTH.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  251. @Yukon Jack

    The ridiculous ‘nuke’ hypothesis can be put to rest if some enterprising chappie just takes a Geiger counter to Beirut and wanders around for a bit.

    It should be a trivial task – anybody looking to make a name for themselves as a conspiracy-nutjob debunker could do so pretty readily.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  252. Iris says:
    @Mario Partisan

    The politicians and gangsters running that portion of the port were from factions opposed to Hezbollah.

    Would you be able to provide a source for this? If verifiable, this would be an important piece of evidence.

    Such statement is made, for instance, in this RT Arabic talkshow involving three prominent Lebanese political analysts, based in Beirut, Bonn and Montreal.

    At 22:55, Dr Amran Zahoui, the Beirut analyst, states that everybody living in the city knows that its harbour is under control of factions antagonistic to Hezbollah, and that the predominent faction controlling it is the Lebanese Forces (Arabic: القوات اللبنانية ), the Christian militia led by Samir Geagea.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Forces

    None of the other speakers contradicts him despite the Montreal-based analyst (Nazih Al Khiyat, with a red shirt) representing the Future movement, a Hezbollah rival.

  253. Polemos says:
    @Tommy Thompson

    Okay.

    I went and found this link:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/08/the-history-of-nuclear-weapons-design-1945-2015-banned-by-national-security-letter-ignored-by-vt/

    Is this one of the links you are talking about detailing the current state?

    I am also asking, do you have any outside information that verifies what VT is claiming on the page I just linked? Is there a text (physical/digital) you consulted to verify what VT says about “5th generation” nuclear weapons? I see that “VT Editors” cite The Curve of Binding Energy (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/54968.The_Curve_of_Binding_Energy), but what else are you aware of that gives information about more recent trends, given that text, as VT Editors explicitly point out, is from 1974?

    Are there other links, outside of VT, that explain what you mean(t) by “up to date information on current generation of ‘low rad’ nuke devices”? What’s an example of something you’ve learned about the “current generation of ‘low rad’ nuke devices from a source other than VT?

    And when you argue that they are wrong who say it cannot be a nuclear device because there is no radioactive residue, is it right to characterize your argument against them as you saying they have not conducted their own soil samples nor have citations to soil samples taken, so therefore they are wrong to make conclusions on the basis of having no evidence to offer nor to pass along? Or, in other words, is it your argument that because they do not have the soil sample evidence to hand, then they cannot claim there wasn’t any radiation in the soil?

    It seems to me that such an argument cuts all ways. I mean, did you also take soil samples? Do you know someone who has, and what they say about the soil? How do you answer your own questions directed at them? What does your soil look like?

    I see that you pass along VT’s claim about the “IAEA reading” (https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/10/breaking-israel-nukes-beirut/), but look at the image on that site and answer this. If that reading is meant to show a nuclear event is taking place “in the eastern Mediterranean,” then why aren’t there corresponding elevated readings in the two monitoring stations in the eastern Mediterranean in the image posted at VT? Look for yourself again:

    Both of those monitoring stations are green, with one displaying the odd ‘196’ but isn’t alerting at all, despite the key on the actual monitoring site telling an ignorant person like me that “68” is Warning and “99” is Alert, but, again being ignorant, I might not realize the numbers are irrelevant but the color of the flag is important. Either way, though, why aren’t either of the two stations reporting at least a warning, given their proximity? Is the radiation supposed to be from intense rays from the blast itself or from isotopes falling out? Look at the two stations. The one in Israel isn’t recording any kind of event to the extent that the station in Sicily is, right? So what’s the one in Sicily reporting that the one in Israel is not, what is the mechanism at work?

    And, does the time in the image even correspond with the time of the blast? The spike in that picture looks like it happens at August 4, 1347 hours. Is that when the blast occurred?

    On top of that, is radmon.org actually an IAEA reporting site at all? Is this site funded, maintained, and populated by IAEA engineers/bureaucrats/investigators? Well, the site tells me instead that

    radmon.org is a place for experimenters, enthusiasts and background radiation monitoring. You can send background radiation readings from a wide range of geiger counters, home built or kit built or some commercial counters. We welcome high CPM experiments, your own station news – if it interests you then it interests us! You can send data via the windows application RadLog, the python script pyradmon, by BASH script and by your own code.

    Here, read this thread:
    https://radmon.org/index.php/forum/radmon-org-news/1175-malfunctioning-radmon-org-station-appears-in-beirut-article?start=0

    What do you learn from reading that thread?

    Let’s not ignore the facts and the science. Show how you came to the conclusions you did! Teach us, Tommy Thompson! 👨🏻‍🏫

    • Thanks: A123
  254. Vetran says:
    @Majority of One

    Please use plain English. Your prose is too cryptic for me …

  255. @FB

    “Harold, I don’t think it’s that simple…

    First about those historic explosions…we do not know the precise circumstances of how those were set in motion, in terms of the thermodynamic chemistry involved…so that counts for nothing…

    We need to understand here how exactly that physics works…and we don’t yet have a clear picture…”

    I am by no means any kind of “expert” but I have an interest in the subject and I’ve read lots of papers on ammonium nitrate (and other explosives), and I’ve personally experimented with it (back in the day). (My most recent experience with it being a few years ago when a friend wanted to try out some “tannerite” type exploding targets).

    I can refer you to many papers and discuss it ’til the cows come home but I don’t see the point so I’m not going to bother. I’m going to say one more thing about it and then I’m done discussing it:

    It’s not “simple” but you’re seriously overstating it, IMO. Based on the documented results of many authors – which are all in general agreement – I can tell you that generally speaking, if you take a big pile of ammonium nitrate prills – especially like hundreds to thousands of tons as in this case – and you subject it to the explosion of some munition containing at least several hundred grams of high explosives, you are going to detonate the ammonium nitrate creating a massive explosion.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @FB
  256. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    That’s not how shockwaves work…

    The speed of the wave decreases the farther it propagates through the air…by the time it reaches a distant point like a camera that can survive, it will have slowed down considerably, perhaps by an order of magnitude from the epicenter…

    So that 312 meters per second calculated in that completely retarded Wired piece might have been 1000 m/s in the initial radius, and then 100 m/s by the time it hit the camera…

    This is complete nonsense…there is such a thing as the conservation of energy…

    The UN website has a handy blast parameter calculator, based on the Kingery-Bulmash method which is widely used in military and industry…

    Kingery-Bulmash Blast Parameter Calculator

    Enter TNT as the explosive [actually any of the drop down choices of various explosives will do]

    Then enter 1000 kg for the charge weight, and 10 meters for the range…you will get a shock front velocity of about 1,200 m/s…

    Now leave everything the same and enter 100 meters for the range…the velocity is now 360 m/s…just barely above sonic…the calculator only goes up to 399 meters range…but at some range the shock wave will no longer be supersonic and therefore no longer a shockwave at all, but a pressure wave…

    Absolutely amazing that we see such retarded claptrap in the media…and these dorks at Wired fancy themselves as some kind of technically savvy types…

    • Replies: @turtle
  257. Iris says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    His second latest article alludes that the warehouse belonged to Hezbollah – when that is incorrect.

    Stating this was not only incorrect, it was criminal as it is the casus belli prepared from the beginning by the Zionist cabal to demonise Hezbollah and separate Lebanon from the only motivated and highly-efficient organisation capable of protecting the nation.

    Meyssan has contributed considerably on exposing the truth of important cases (9/11, flase-flag killing of Hariri, etc)

    He certainly did, and shown a courage that commands eternal respect. But he has psychological flaws so big that they hinder his thinking and remove a lot of credibility to his analysis.

    Meyssan does not propose coherent, consistent, reasonable analysis to his readers, in a way somebody who cares for his reputation does. On the contrary, he often goes for exaggeration, for unhinged bizarre hypothesis, because he wants to portray himself as somebody privy to secret information, or somebody much smarter than the rest of the pack who can see invisible dots. This is attention-seeking, not political analysis. Trust him at your peril.

    Those who respect him (like myself) feel sorry for him. Those, like LK, who don’t know him find him so weird they label a “disinformation agent”. I really can’t blame them.

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  258. @Yukon Jack

    Clearly, you don’t know Jack, Yukon Jack. If you did, you’d know that all of those explosions in Iran took place at other locations where Mr. Nasrallah stores his other massive personal stashes of fireworks and ammonium nitrate. Mr. Nasrallah is an avid farmer and New Year’s Eve reveler. You’d know that if you knew him (or Jack.)

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  259. Iris says:
    @Mario Partisan

    Hey Mario; great research.
    Thanks for both your comments about the close-up videos, which origin and chain of custody are indeed crucial evidence in the Beyrouth bombing.

    The main blast was too destructive and wide-ranging for anybody filming from atop the grain silo to have survived it. No building has survived around the silo, no human being could have.
    Either the footage was live-streamed by harbour workers who died, in which case they should easily be identified. Or it was transmitted in real-time by a drone controlled by people with foreknowledge of the tragedy.

    • Thanks: Mario Partisan
    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  260. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Based on the documented results of many authors – which are all in general agreement – I can tell you that generally speaking, if you take a big pile of ammonium nitrate prills – especially like hundreds to thousands of tons as in this case – and you subject it to the explosion of some munition containing at least several hundred grams of high explosives, you are going to detonate the ammonium nitrate creating a massive explosion

    You are correct. Once people grasp the facts:

    — No additional “fuel” is required
    — AN can explode in pure form

    The exact mechanism/chemistry does not seem to be terribly relevant to the overall story.
    ____

    Also, there are a number of things in this blast that complicate the pure chemistry discussion:

    — Fire, which heated the AN making it less stable.
    — Age, six years of storage would compress the prills. Also the age would guarantees heat and humidity exposure. There may also have been sea salt contamination.
    — AN was a generic knockoff, which may have had purity or other manufacturing issues. Powder would be more dangerous than prill.
    _____

    With 3,000,000 kg of AN the difference between a mid-explosive pressure blast rather that a true high-explosive shock front simply does not matter to anything in proximity. The energy release from the chemistry is much higher than 3:1, so the step down in effectiveness is likely due to the destructiveness of Mid vs. High explosive.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  261. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Again…I’m not ‘overstating’ anything…I am simply following the scientific method here, which means understanding the PHYSICAL processes at work…

    And no, reading a lot of scientific papers, especially if you don’t happen to have a strong background in this particular discipline, is not the same as understanding how it physically works…in fact this can only add confusion, unless you can place that information into some kind of physical frame of reference…

    …if you take a big pile of ammonium nitrate prills – especially like hundreds to thousands of tons as in this case – and you subject it to the explosion of some munition containing at least several hundred grams of high explosives, you are going to detonate the ammonium nitrate creating a massive explosion.

    Okay…let’s say that this is plausible, although I don’t see how a few ‘ hundred grams’ of explosive is going to set off a chain reaction that will engulf the entire mass of thousands of tons of that AN in that chemical decomposition reaction…

    Or even how that chemical decomposition actually results in an explosion…in fact it doesn’t, but I’ll get to that in a minute…

    It still does not give us one iota of insight into HOW this process would work…and until we know the ‘how’ we cannot possibly come to any kind of conclusion on whether it is feasible or not…

    For instance, there is the issue of locality…let’s assume that a small amount of explosives will provide the heat and pressure necessary to start that chemical decomposition in that small localized area of the AN pile…

    Does that chemical reaction then continue building and spreading, or does it perhaps fizzle out…just like a car tank full of gasoline is not going to explode if you weld on it…I have seen a mechanic do this…because it’s only the gasoline vapor that is chemically ready to combust…it will not burn in its liquid form…try throwing a lit match into a pail of gasoline…see what happens…it will go out without any fire…

    What you are asking us to believe here is that if you just throw a few firecrackers [several hundred grams of explosive] into a big pile of ammonium nitrate you get a big explosion…that just doesn’t sound convincing…and in fact sounds very unconvincing from everything I know about physics and thermodynamics and chemistry…because I’m pretty sure that this is not how such a chemical reaction is likely to proceed…a little bit of heat and then a big bang…sorry, not realistic…

    And again, even if you get all of that huge AN to start chemically decomposing…it’s NOT an explosion…I already harped on that and I must insist again…

    A chemical reaction is NOT an explosion…although any combustible explosion [non-nuclear] is always a chemical reaction…

    What we saw in Beirut was a huge blast…and the flattened buildings in a radius of several kilometers can only come from a shockwave…I’ve already provided information here about shockwaves that is beyond any dispute…

    BUT we also know that the AN chemical reaction without any fuel added does NOT create shockwaves, but only subsonic pressure waves…

    That tells me that the release of energy from that chemical decomposition is not compressed into the very tiny space of time, as it is in an explosion, that is required to create a shockwave…

    And that’s a key point…a shockwave can only result from a near instantaneous release of a large amount of energy…

    Just because the AN can release a large quantity of energy, does not mean it has the same effect, if that energy is released over a much larger time period…

    Those are key questions…so unless we have some insight into the answers, then we certainly cannot conclude that it happened like you insist it did…and that huge blast that we all saw was the result of merely chemical decomposition of AN, a process about which we know very little in terms of the physics involved…

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  262. @SolontoCroesus

    If you search youtube “netanyahu un speech 2019” you get this:

    Israel – Prime Minister Addresses General Debate, 73rd Session

    Starting at 17:38 Netanyahu picks up the presentation board of the map of Beirut harbor, here is a screenshot:

    I bet you also would disagree with my contention that Bibi Netanyahu is the antichrist.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @utu
    , @SolontoCroesus
  263. Iris says:

    Lebanese former Minister accuses Israel of being behind the Beirut port explosions

    Former Lebanese Minister of Interior and Municipalities Nohad Machnouk accused today Israel of being behind the double explosion at Beirut’s port on 4 August.

    According to him, Israel is “clearly” behind the double explosion ” but does not dare to claim it because it is a crime against humanity”. He states that his opinion relies on “conclusions, readings and contacts” that he has conducted in the context of the explosions.

    Machnouk is a member of Hariri’s “Future Movement” and a fierce opponent to Hezbollah.

    https://www.lorientlejour.com/article/1229172/machnouk-accuse-israel-detre-derriere-la-double-explosion-au-port-de-beyrouth.html

  264. This is all vague speculation and blind sourcing. How can a former CIA guy believe that a nuclear attack would not be immmediately recognizable?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  265. turtle says:
    @FB

    OK.
    I stand corrected, and thanks for the information.
    I know pretty much zilch about aeronautics, and only very basic fluid mechanics.
    I am most definitely familiar with conservation laws , i.e., energy, momentum & angular momentum.

    • Replies: @FB
  266. @Veritas X-

    I agree with Baird’s take on the AN and the damage we see at the site. However, he’s an idiot when it comes to the twin towers. The airliners were capable of damaging the structure of the towers more than enough for the subsequent fires to weaken the steel sufficiently for the towers to collapse. The steel did not have to melt, just lower the yield stress enough for the collapse to start. Once the collapse began, the rest of the structure was doomed because of the unbalanced loading caused by the upper stories collapse.

    Anyone wishing to say otherwise does not know the material properties of steel. I speak as a Civil Engineer with a background in steel design and materials science.

    • LOL: L.K
    • Troll: Veritas X-
  267. It’s nice to see Mr. Autist123 (I’m respectful, see) trying his hand at humor, but his attempts fall flat like those of a sad Joker.

    Let me help him out. A-hole123 or Anus123 work well because they jive with his handle. But, Mario-Paedo? That’s just a try hard passenger on a sinking failboat.

    If he wanted to highlight the logical or factual shakiness of my posts he should have gone with Mario Parkinson’s. Or, he could have just said, “you’re arguments stink, Mario Fartisan!” He could try them now, but he’d just be a plagiarist. Too bad his humor stinks, but that’s typical of what comes out of an A…

    He should learn to notice sarcasm from his own supporters before trying any more “humor.” Only an Asspie123 needs HTML tags to get a joke.

    • Replies: @A123
  268. @Majority of One

    Bellingcat was front and center in blaming Russia for the outrage.

    Bellingcat has one thing going for it, they’re right. The missle that shot down the airliner had pellets that were not used in the older model of Buk in the possession of Ukraine. You can rave to the contrary all you like, but only those who swallow Putin’s propaganda whole will believe you.

    • Troll: FB
    • Replies: @Majority of One
  269. A123 says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Starting at 17:38 Netanyahu picks up the presentation board of the map of Beirut harbor, here is a screenshot:

    Beirut AIRPORT labelled on the map is SOUTH of the city. Beirut SEAPORT (not shown) is NORTH of the city.

    They are approximately 7 [SEVEN] miles apart.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @jsinton
  270. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    No probs…we all have our blind spots in various areas of science…even if we may be well versed in others…I wasn’t aware that AN could have a large energy release by itself either…which is why we need to learn more about the physics involved…

    • Replies: @turtle
  271. @Kratoklastes

    The nuke hypothesis is not ridiculous because the explosion looks like a nuke. In this tweet we can hear the (F-16?) jet delivering the ordnance. CASE CLOSED it was an attack, not an accident.

    Furthermore, Israel has a nuclear bomb program as revealed by Mordechai Vanunu. Here is a 3d video presentation of the illegal weapons of mass destruction facility:

    The photo he took of the bomb in the facility is a dead ringer for a w-54-2 warhead.

    We know that Israel ended up with the entire stock pile of 2100 Davy Crockett warheads after they were decommissioned in 1967. These are small warheads ideal for fitting to Israeli missiles.

    We know that Israel has F-16s, and F-15s now fitted for nuclear weapons, along with their free Dolphin class submarines. Israel is the world’s 3rd largest nuclear power and is using it’s nukes on a regular basis. Deny it all you want. Reality is a bitch.

  272. @utu

    Steaming the hold would have been ineffective as the fire was able to blow the steam back out because of the convection currents created by the fire. Flooding the hold would have been the only thing that could have saved the ship and prevented the explosion.

  273. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Stop pulling strings of yarn out of your ass…

    You have ZERO technical knowledge of thermodynamics or chemistry, so you are only polluting the thread with nonsense…

    With 3,000,000 kg of AN the difference between a mid-explosive pressure blast rather that a true high-explosive shock front simply does not matter to anything in proximity.

    And that’s the key DOOFUS…a subsonic pressure front is not going to go very far before fizzling out as its energy dissipates in the medium of the atmosphere…in fact radiating energy decreases by the square of the distance [inverse square law]…at twice the distance from the epicenter, it will already be four times less…ten times the distance and it’s 100 times less…

    That blast destroyed every building within several kilometers, and was only safe out to about 15 km away…no pressure wave can do that, only a massive shockwave…

    The energy release from the chemistry is much higher than 3:1

    No it’s not…that’s more yarn from your uneducated ass…the amount of energy released from chemical decomposition of ammonium nitrate is cited in the scientific literature as a wide range, depending on many factors…

    And everything hinges on HOW QUICKLY that energy is released…Niagara Falls releases a huge amount of potential energy as that huge mass of water accelerates by gravity…but it doesn’t happen in a millisecond…it takes time for that water to drop to the surface below…

    You are here only to shill for Zionists, while actually possessing ZERO knowledge about any technical subject…of course that doesn’t stop you from continuing to clang your Israel drum like some nutcase…

    • Agree: turtle
  274. A123 says:
    @Mario Partisan

    Mario-Paedo,

    ROTFLMAO

    Whining 😢 like a little boy under a Paedo 😱 is not going to help you now.

    You declared yourself an agent of IslamoGloboPaedo. Now you have to accept the accuracy of the description. 😂

    If you were actually respectful, you would not have started the alternate naming… If you want to end the problem.

    APOLOGIZE

    But we all know you are incapable of that.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: Mario Partisan
  275. Iris says:
    @Quartermaster

    Anyone wishing to say otherwise does not know the material properties of steel. I speak as a Civil Engineer with a background in steel design and materials science.

    Just shut up, Hasbara. We are sick of having to watch your orgasms every time a mass massacre of Goyim is organised by your psychopathic Elders.

    Your background is in mendacity and crime, alright. Otherwise, you would have heard about the University of Fairbanks civil engineering study which proved without a shadow of a doubt that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition. Hence, ditto for the Twin Towers.

    • Agree: Sam J.
  276. In distant comment # 29, Rashkae displayed a fascinating pic and wrote:
    “There is a picture here, no idea if it is genuine or not:”

    Is worth a second look which I did!

    The three man work crew are repairing Nitroprill bags which were evidently punctured by an errant rack-rod. Label markings are hard to read.

    Workers are equipped with spade hammers & chisel for the job, and a closer look indicated that the product was wet; no longer solid crystal shape/white color, usable.

    I looked for an Orica company “Nitroprill” Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) & failed to find one.

    Thanks Rashkae!

    Post scriptum: I seem to recall how the FBI pursued & even found the domestic source where Timothy McVeigh purchased good ammonium nitrate product. 🤗 Too bad the Feds had to back off while perhaps investigating the cause for the 9/11 explosions, subsequent trio-WTC destruction, serial murder, and GWOT?

  277. FB says: • Website
    @Quartermaster

    I speak as a Civil Engineer with a background in steel design and materials science.

    Yeah right…you don’t know the first thing about engineering or materials science, nor any other technical subject…

    The steel did not have to melt, just lower the yield stress enough for the collapse to start.

    Okay…I’ll bite…just what is the number for that yield stress…and at what temperature…?

  278. @Frederick V. Reed

    Hey Fred!

    Am mindful of the supreme Zionist Divide & Conquer strategy.

  279. turtle says:
    @FB

    No one can know everything.
    You, at least, appear to have some technical curiosity, as opposed to the various dogmatic agendas of so many who pollute the comments on this site.
    Typing Kingery-Bulmash into Google led me to this paper:
    https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/sites.coecis.cornell.edu/dist/8/147/files/2019/08/Guzas_Earls_2010_SCS_10_5.pdf

    which states that it is based on polynomial fit to experimental data, and the fit coefficients are “not available in the open literature,” even though the calculator itself is widely used.
    The authors cite this book:
    https://www.springer.com/gp/book/9783642866845
    Explosive Shocks in Air, by Kinney & Graham
    as a standard reference, which is readily available online in pdf format, if you care to part with 96.29 euros. The chapter titles and previews look promising, if you are inclined that way, but perhaps you already know it?

    I concur with your assertion that to have any chance of really understanding what happened in Beirut, you would have to thoroughly understand and investigate the a) chemical kinetics, b) chemical thermodynamics, c) physics, and maybe also chemistry, of blast waves, AT LEAST.

    I expect that is beyond the capability of most people who post here, and I am not sure, at this point, that I should not include myself in that category as well, even though I once did master items a) and b), many years ago.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @A123
  280. Okay, y’all! I have been discovered and I must now make a confession. I am an agent of “IslamoGloboPaedo,” and have been ever since Sheikh Hasan himself took advantage of me as a little kid.

    And, since I want to “end the problem,” I APOLOGIZE to esteemed commenter Mr. A123. But, he must understand that I am a victim of a deep-seated Nasrallian Stockholm syndrome, that compels me to serve my abuser as a defense mechanism. So I might fall back into old habits.

    Understand, A-hole123?

    • Replies: @A123
  281. @Colin Wright

    Colin, I may be misunderstanding, but go to VT yourself. When there is massive evidence that the port was nuked, further evidence that there was no ammonium nitrate stored there, and you say you are unpersuaded, your mind is “genuinely open”, that seems to show that your mind is genuinely something else.

    Admittedly, when such a large part is video/audio without transcripts it’s an obstacle. An effort.

    But I have heard enough to be totally convinced that Israel nuked Beirut port.

    Still, my mind remains genuinely open, would not reject evidence to the contrary. Of course there will be claims to the contrary. But it would be amazing if my genuinely open mind was ever brought to doubt what I’m presently convinced of.

  282. I notice rt.com is silent on Beirut. That Google, RT, Facebook etc. are sticking together, are silent or censoring on the subject, might mean there is no such place as Beirut.

  283. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    I agree with that…it would take a pretty deep technical dive into some of those subjects to start getting a precise handle on what happens with a big pile of ammonium nitrate…

    I do have access to a fairly extensive technical library, but it is geared to my needs in aeronautics, and this particular subject is a bit far afield for what I have on hand…

    I think Kingery Bulmash starts from radiating wave energy and the inverse square principle, but because those waves travel in the air medium that needs to be modified quite a bit, and apparently there is really no theoretical framework…hence the empirical formulation…

    There is a paper here that has the basic math…but it really does nothing for us in terms of understanding the chemical thermodynamics of AN…really I know very little about this, but have at least formulated questions for what I know I don’t know…

    But who knows, maybe the brighter bulbs here that like to make a lot of authoritative statements with great certainty may help us out…[I think we know who they are without mentioning names or numbers…😁 ]…?

    • Replies: @turtle
  284. jsinton says:
    @A123

    Exactly correct. So many nincompoop experts here. He was pointing at a facility just north of the airport. Nothing to do with Port of Beirut.

  285. jsinton says:

    What your are looking at is a primary explosive (munitions or fireworks) which caused a detonation of the atomized AN in the atmosphere. It’s a fuel-air explosion. A LOT of things can detonate under these conditions: Sugar, wheat, flour, starch, coal dust, coffee, etc, etc…. you get the picture. See Imperial Sugar factory explosion or fuel air explosion.

    • Agree: Sam J.
  286. A123 says:
    @turtle

    I have multiple years of University level Chemistry & Thermodynamics.

    The massive amount of material involved is what leads many smart people astray when scaling up from a lab bench experience to an industrial scale.

    Trying to detonate 300 mg of NH4-NO3 on a Chemistry 101 lab bench is almost impossible. In upper level Chemistry 301 where the sample can be pressurized and heated, it could be done.

    Moving to industrial scale, additional characteristics come into play that the lab scale does not have experience with.

    — Letting air convection cool a test tube works. That does not scale to 3,000,00o kg pile. Air cooling is negligible so almost all of the heat is retained propagating the reaction.
    — Similar scale up issues exist with pressure. A test tube can boil over. At 3,000,000 kg the sheer mass of the material prevents the pressure from escaping to atmosphere. Effectively the pile is its own pressure vessel.

    Mother Nature may not be an actual enemy, but once you start doing industrial scale calculations it sure feels like each factor is stacking to make the outcome worse.
    _____

    There is a difference between:
    — High-Explosive — shock wave that produces sudden shattering forces.
    — Mid/Low-Explosive — slower pressure waves that flows to weak points and produces larger chunks.

    The fact that the grain silos are still upright show that this was a massive pressure wave phenomena. The concrete itself was not shattered by a shock wave. And, due to good design and construction there were a limited number of weak points for pressure waves to pull chunks out.

    However, as soon as the pressure wave reached much more fragile residential construction, the difference between a shock wave and a pressure wave became much less relevant. Either one will cause a multi story structure to collapse (in different failure modes). Regardless of the exact sequence of events, if two stories of building fall on you…. You are dead.
    ____

    There are differences between a detonation, a simple explosion, a bleve, and an extreme high pressure event. From a theoretical & lab bench scale perspective those are four different things. From a real world & industrial scale perspective any of those running over residential building is a catastrophe.

    If you want to go into demolition, mining, or a related field, diving into the minutiae is critical.

    If you want to understand the real world basics without a great deal of excruciating mathematics, simply go with the Rule of Thumb that says 3 kg NH4-NO3 is roughly equivalent to 1 kg of TNT. This works the vast majority of the time, and you are unlikely to stumble on an esoteric situation where it does not apply.

    PEACE 😇

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @turtle
    , @FB
    , @turtle
  287. turtle says:
    @FB

    I think Kingery Bulmash starts from radiating wave energy and the inverse square principle, but because those waves travel in the air medium that needs to be modified quite a bit, and apparently there is really no theoretical framework…hence the empirical formulation…

    Evidently, in a surface blast, reflection of the shock wave from the ground is an important part of what goes on, so the usual 1/r^2 energy conservation law is not as simple as with a spherical wave (such as an air burst weapon, or electromagnetic waves).

    have at least formulated questions for what I know I don’t know…

    There you go…

    the brighter bulbs here

    LOL

  288. A123 says:
    @Mario Partisan

    Mario-Paedo,

    Yes. Everyone understands.

    You are obviously in the wrong. And, you are incapable of a sincere apology.

    As you are too immature to add value to this forum, you should be silent and let the adults talk.

    PEACE 😇

  289. @jsinton

    Looks to be a couple of Sayanim in full agreement. Gee, I am so surprised.

  290. @A123

    Again, the Sanhedrin’s little spokes critters are in full heat tonight. Pretzel logic is applied by them in fearful anxiety that the official mainscream media line (such as Daily Mail) is adhered to in full accordance with their masters’ voices.

  291. @Quartermaster

    “Quartermaster”. –Sayanim-Hasbara-Anti-Defecation Leaguer. I know you from the instances when you supported the genocidal Zionist attackers of Gaza in the infamous “Cast Lead” operation. You hide behind a military-sounding mask (perhaps IDF?) but are nothing but a shill for Shekels.

  292. For reliable information on AN prill go to the msds/sds sheets, available here (pdf):

    http://www.oricaminingservices.com/us/en/page/products_and_services/bulk_systems/bulk_systems

    Section 5: “FIRE-FIGHTING MEASURES” tells you in several places that AN will explode. The danger of explosion is at temperatures over 400 Fahrenheit. It detonates, per Kinney & Graham.

    The tds (available on the same page) tells you about typical packaging (polypropylene bags). Not stated is that the bags are fibre reinforced.

  293. @Yukon Jack

    The woman clearly says “what is this sound?!, what is this sound?!” in the Twitter video just before the explosion. It did indeed sound like a military jet. Thanks for sharing.

    • Replies: @Iris
  294. @ChuckOrloski

    I disagree.

    If Trump was to start a hot war now:
    1. it would be way too obvious; and
    2. it would lose him too many members/supporters of his political base – as he campaigned hard on:
    – withdrawing US troops from foreign nations,
    – ending US military involvement in Iraq & A’stan, etc, and
    – stopping other nations from freeloading by getting them to increase their military spending as a percentage of their GDP.

    The US has been at war now for 225 of its 244 years’ existence (since 1776). The American people are war weary – and belatedly they’re starting to wake up as to how they’ve been used – and abused!

    He may take the calculated risk – but I still think if there’s going to be any hot war – it wont strat til after the election.

    As a further point – it is not insignificant that Nutty-yahhoo’s next court appearance for corruption is scheduled for 21 January – a day after the traditional date for inauguration (if there were to be a change in the Presidency).

    Besides, with what Trump said yesterday naming the criminals complicit in treason against a democratically-elected President for their ‘Russiagate’ / ‘Trump-Russia collusion’ agitprop campaign for 3 & 1/2 years – should be sufficient to win him the election.

    President Trump Lists The Criminals At Press Conference; Possibly Treason (2:03)

    Cheers!

  295. @Goose

    If it were not so common on UR threads I would be astonished that your rationally laying out a hypothesis, which remains open, has received Troll tag responses. The cuo bono test may give more than one answer but it certainly seems plausible that China is one of them. May I add the speculation that the US might, 30 years late, start the process of handing over ME (and Afghanistan) management to the Chinese..

  296. turtle says:
    @A123

    scaling up from a lab bench experience to an industrial scale.

    Is not a trivial exercise. That is why we have chemical and mechanical engineers, as well as chemists. And in this case, we are dealing, not with an industrial process, but with an event “in the wild,” so to speak.

    That is why I said what I did to “FB.”
    Aside: Personally, I don’t give a rat’s arse “whodunit.”

    It might be a fascinating technical problem to deduce exactly how it happened, for anyone with sufficient technical background and plenty of time on his/her hands. Who knows? Perhaps one or more graduate students will get a master’s thesis out of it. The “minutiae,” as you put it, replete with various models, including CFD, heat transfer, chemical kinetics, etc.

    bleve

    Never heard that expression before. New word of the day, for me.
    I can tell a funny story about the opposite situation, though, if you care to hear it. Happened more than 25 years ago here in SoCal. A stupid Chem E @ Akso Nobel catalyst plant got the inspiration to “rinse” a nominally empty tank which had contained NH3 with, you guessed it, H2O. The company I worked for got the job of replacing the old tank, which now looked like the Jolly Green Giant’s collapsed beer can, with a pressure vessel.

    • Replies: @A123
  297. Polemos says:
    @Yukon Jack

    The nuke hypothesis is not ridiculous because the explosion looks like a nuke.

    Do you have a video of an actual nuclear blast displaying characteristics similar to the Beirut blast?

    Do you have one especially for what a “W54-2” blasting looks like? I mean, is it right for us to understand you’re saying we’re seeing a W54-2 nuclear device detonating in the Beirut blast after having been fired from an F-16 whose engines we hear?

    If X “looks like” Y, show us your examples of Y and we will understand where you are coming from.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  298. @Iris

    I cannot disagree that it does constitute the casus belli the Zionist want. It was/is unacceptable.

    I tend to overlook some of his hypothetical rambling and focus more on the foreknowledge and/or verifiable information. I value him in that sense. Regardless, you made valid points.

  299. @Yukon Jack

    Excellent post, Yukon.

    The smoke from the fire in the warehouse/s (however it was ignited, whether fireworks, or AN, is irrelevant) – was the cover for the attack.

    Also see:

    An implied admission that they were behind the barbaric Beirut bomb blast – 2nd largest since Hiroshima:
    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/nasrallah-threatened-to-blow-up-israel-with-same-chemicals-as-beirut-blast-637582

    … and Nuttyahu leverages international support against Hezbollah after Beirut blast

    “Nuttyahu called French President Emmanuel Macron to praise him for his leadership after the Beirut blast and to campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon.”

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/08/israel-lebanon-france-hezbollah-benjamin-netanyahu-macron.html

    Cheers!

    • Thanks: Yukon Jack
  300. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Wait…which Anus 123 are we talking to now…the Down Syndrome Christian Zionist nutbar who couldn’t solve a triangle to save his life…or the smart Jewish guy sitting next to him down at JIDF ops room in Tel Aviv…?

    Anyway, your fancy footwork doesn’t change the fact that your assertions about ammonium nitrate are wrong…

    First of all, your smart Jewish friend is correct in stating that it takes VERY HIGH heat and pressure to cause that energetic chemical decomposition…

    Where does the pressure come from…?

    You claim, absurdly, that the massive pile is its own pressure vessel…yes, this is correct, but ONLY if you went and inserted a whole bunch of explosives like dynamite deep into the middle of that pile…

    And who pray tell might have done something like that…?

    Second, your claim about the grain silos remaining standing as proof that it wasn’t an explosive shock wave is nonsense…if those grain silos are some distance away then they would be unscathed by a mere pressure wave from an AN chemical decomposition event…

    This from FEMA showing the destructive radius of a large truck bomb going off in the center spot…

    That red ringed radius where there is structural damage to buildings is quite small, even with a big truck bomb of TNT…now go and look at those pictures of Beirut…it looks like Hiroshima…a huge radius of buildings completely razed…

    THAT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN FROM A SUBSONIC PRESSURE WAVE

    Let’s go back to our blast calculator…

    If you enter one million kg of TNT that would be the equivalent of what you assert is the ‘explosive’ energy of the 3 million tons of AN [which is wrong, but let’s play along]…

    Let’s look at 10 meters first…we have a shock front velocity of nearly 6,000 meters per second…that is nearly 20 times the speed of sound…the incident pressure is nearly 40 times atmospheric, which is over 500 psi…

    The reflected pressure is even TEN TIMES higher…confirming what turtle said about ground level explosions being more intense because the energy is reflected and concentrated instead of going off in all directions like a radiating sphere…

    Now you’re trying to tell us that a subsonic pressure wave [that’s less than about 300 m/s] 20 times less than from that TNT explosion is going to flatten an entire city for a radius of several miles…?

    That’s complete nonsense…

    Now let’s look at what happens at 1000 meters away from that same one million kilogram blast…the shock front velocity is now only 360 meters per second, just barely above sonic velocity…the incident overpressure is only about 15 kilopascals, which is two psi…that’s actually VERY survivable for reinforced concrete structures…

    We see that severe damage to reinforced concrete structures requires from six to nine psi…that’s over 60 kPa, four times higher than what we have at 1000 meters from one million tons of TNT…

    And you’re trying to tell us that that’s going to happen from some dinky little pressure wave that does not even go supersonic…?

    This is complete hasbara bullshit…

    So your disneyland story about the grain silos is pure nonsense…

  301. @FB

    “What you are asking us to believe here is that if you just throw a few firecrackers [several hundred grams of explosive] into a big pile of ammonium nitrate you get a big explosion…that just doesn’t sound convincing…and in fact sounds very unconvincing from everything I know about physics and thermodynamics and chemistry…because I’m pretty sure that this is not how such a chemical reaction is likely to proceed…a little bit of heat and then a big bang…sorry, not realistic…”

    Not “firecrackers” of course but high explosives. My views are based on evidence from historical disasters; some fairly comprehensive forensic analyses of some AN disasters; some papers on the detonability of various AN prills; some papers that studied and reported on sympathetic detonation between barrels of pure AN; etc. (BTW just like anything else there seems to be some disagreement among “experts” on certain things, e.g. TNT equivalency).

    It would take me a while to answer in detail and I honestly don’t feel like it right now. Maybe tomorrow… but I’m really starting to get sick and tired of the subject.

    • Replies: @A123
  302. People on this website are seriously underestimating Bibi Netanyahu and his Zionist gaggle of terrorists. They DO have the will to use nuclear weapons. They DID 911, proven by Christopher Bollyn, Bibi is the author of the War of Terrror – a sophisticated psyop that got the United States to bomb his enemies.

    Study this video – Netanyahu is telling you what he is going to do next, pay attention to Israel threats starts @5:20.

    So if Israel did 911 and got away scott free, still fooling many on this site (LOL) then don’t you think this fertilizer ruse is also a sophisticated psyop? I am telling you Israel just nuked Beirut and got away with it because the Jews control the media and are experts at running psyops to take heat off the real perps – which is them and their Khazarian crime spree. Jews did 911 and successfully convinced the world that Muslims did it. And no matter the mountain of evidence that counters the official story, the world is full of idiots that still believe the false narrative.

    If you don’t think most people are totally retarded then just go outside and look at all the mask wearing sheeple – many who have them on in their car with the windows rolled up! Covid is a hoax just like the Holocaust – and look at all the idiots that still buy the 6 million ruse. The fact is people are easy to fool so long as the authority tells them what to believe, they simply will not challenge the power, they lack the will and the intellect to do so.

    So why don’t you all consider the real game here, a multiyear setup of a sophisticated psychological operations by the expert in foolology. You have to admit they are damn good at what they do, they even have trolls on all the message boards casting fear and doubt to any alternative narrative that exposes Israel as the doer of the deed, and some are right here on Unz.

    Bibi holds up a poster board of Beirut – he talks of Hizbollah having bases and operations – that is the setup. Then later Beirut goes up in smoke. Cohencidence or coincidence? If you can’t see this ploy then God help you. He is telling you straight up that Israel is targeting Hizbollah in Beirut, but part of the ruse is to point to fake targets that they have no plan on striking. They are not going to give the actual target list away are they? If he pointed to an actual target and then it was taken out then that would give them away, wouldn’t it. So the ploy is to point to fake targets and maintain plausible deniability.

    Mark Glenn of the ugly truth website had it figured out over a decade ago, when Bibi holds up a bomb cartoon at the United Nations, he is telling you he has a bomb and it is about to go off, but he doesn’t say he is going to do it, he says Iran is going to do it. But really it is going to be a Mossad bomb going off and Iran getting the blame. Can you see that? It is pure evil genius. You got to hand it to him, Bibi is damn good at what he does.

    Bibi telling you he’s about 90% ready to set off a bomb:

    Likewise Bibi predicted the world trade center attack. So the most evil man on the planet has a gift of prophecy? No chance, he is planning on taking out the WTC and he is using predictive programming in his speech (plus all the Hollywood movies like Back to the Future) which put into you mind decades ahead of time Muslim towelheads doing the terror. But it is really Jews doing the terror and framing the Muslims with visual scenes stuck in the movies so that at a subconscious level you think it is Muslims.

    Now those who figure all this out – the Jew media goes into overdrive labeling it as a crazy conspiracy theory when in fact there was nothing crazy about pred prog – it is a military psyop being waged on your mind – but of course that is crazy to think Jews are waging a war on our minds, 6 million Jews did get stuffed into those ovens by those evil Nazis and if you don’t agree then you are a dirty antisemite – even though the Jews in Poland were NOT semites.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, Robjil
    • Replies: @Veritas X-
  303. Look, if we keep arguing over whether AN can do this or do that and under what conditions – we’re talking ‘how long is piece of string?’ – which is exactly what’s happened to the 9/11 Truth movement over the last 19 years!!!

    There’s 7 dead giveaways that this was an attack:-

    1. It fits with the zionist Greater Israel ‘wet dream’, aka Eretz Y’israel, see:
    – Genesis 15:18
    – the NOV 1917 Balfour Declaration
    – The 1982 Oded Yinon Plan, and
    – The 1996 A Clean Break Report – A new Strategy for Securing the Realm

    2. The zionist entity want to develop the giant offshore Leviathan gas field – last week signing an agreement to supply Cyprus and Greece:

    3. Trump’s claim it was “an attack”. The way Trump’s Zio-minders handle him (every US Prez has minders) is, if they want to discredit something e.g., Hydroxychloroquine (HCq), they get Trump to announce it – since he suffers from a lack of ‘street cred’. Just observe!

    4. That ex-Rothschild’s bankster and errand boy France’s Macron was the 1st foreign leader to visit Lebanon, (why not the UN Secretary General?) offering aid if there’s political reform, i.e, the banning of freedom fighters Hezbollah – who have 13 seats in the Lebanese Parliament.

    5. The Lebanese President, Michel Aoun, saying Tuesday’s catastrophic explosion could have been the result of “foreign interference”.
    Aug 7, 2020 Probe examining if foreign ‘rocket or bomb’ caused Beirut blast — President
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/probe-of-beirut-blast-examining-possibility-of-foreign-involvement-president/

    6. Nutty-yahu leverages international support against Hezbollah after Beirut blast
    Nutty-yahu “called French President Emmanuel Macron to praise him for his leadership after the Beirut blast and to campaign against Hezbollah in Lebanon.”
    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/08/israel-lebanon-france-hezbollah-benjamin-netanyahu-macron.html

    7. … and ALWAYS remember: Problem – Reaction – Solution!!!

    Today : The UN Security Council is preparing to debate the UN peacekeeping force in Lebanon, which Israel is pushing heavily to weaken in the name of reforms. That’s what “Israel” wants – so that’s what the US is pushing.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-reportedly-threatening-to-veto-un-peacekeeper-mandate-in-southern-lebanon/

    • Thanks: Robjil
    • Replies: @Robjil

  304. It is a well known fact that Israel did 911 in 2001, and the brainchild of the War of Terror was Benjamin Netanyahu. I direct you to Christopher Bollyn numerous articles on this.

    Now look at this video of Netanyahu interview in 1995. What does he say?

    “I wrote a book in 1995, and I said that if the West doesn’t wake up to the suicidal nature of militant Islam, the next thing you will see is militant Islam bringing down the World Trade Center.” — Bibi quote

    modus operandi definition: a particular way or method of doing something, especially one that is characteristic or well-established

  305. utu says:
    @Yukon Jack

    “Starting at 17:38 Netanyahu picks up the presentation board of the map of Beirut harbor, here is a screenshot:” – No. What Netanyahu shows is Beirut Airport. Beirut harbor where the explosion occurred is about 4-5 miles north outside Netanyahu’s map.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  306. A123 says:
    @turtle

    bleve … Never heard that expression before.

    Bleve = Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

    A worst case scenario. In most cases, there is no math that leads one out of a bleve industrial incident:

    — Trying to relieve the pressure, causes the boiling to release more vapor which generates more burning vapor that boils more liquid that….
    — Keeping the pressure high, also accelerates the chemical reaction due to higher density vapor.

    It is the Kobayashi Maru of industrial design. You have to build the safety in, so the bleve never starts.

    “rinse” a nominally empty tank which had contained NH3 with, you guessed it, H2O. The company I worked for got the job of replacing the old tank, which now looked like the Jolly Green Giant’s collapsed beer can, with a pressure vessel.

    I feel your pain.

    We had some former Plant Operations veterans near the people (like me) sourcing new equipment. The one piece of advice for every tank…. Rate it for 75 psi and Full Vacuum.

    Large tank vacuum breakers pull a metal sheet/disc against a blade to save the tank. They do not reseal. That leaves you connecting the vacuum breaker to huge expensive pipe to a flare if the tank can hold toxic material. Plus, how you perform the mandatory state regulator inspection on the disc if it is hard piped to a flare? You can only look at it if the tank is emptied, cleaned, and guaranteed toxic free.

    I avoided this, but about the same times frame as yours…. there was a botch where a rail car loading facility controlled a pump over a kilometer away, and there was no camera/video showing the tank to the pump control station. After loading multiple 34,500 gallon train cars the pump cut out for lack of head pressure. Wanna guess what the 500,000 gallon, low pressure, tank looked like?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @turtle
  307. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold,

    You are wasting your time with FB the Ignorant Troll. I caught him lying about military capability and added him to my Blocked Commenter list some time ago.

    Apparently also lies about other things such as his knowledge of Chemstry. He goes into histrionic mode and waves a spec sheet at you. However, his profound and total ignorance of the underlying subject means that FB the Ignorant Troll has no understanding of what the specs actually mean.

    You cannot reason with a moron detached from physical reality. I am quite glad that when FB the Ignorant Troll posts all I see are peaceful grey bars, not his pathetic dribbling.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  308. This thread has been highjacked by several agents of the “after sale service” of Israel’s crimes against humanity.

    This very fact points to what really happened in Beirut.

    • Agree: Iris
  309. @Goose

    Obviously (((Goose))) is another hasbarat, employed by Israel to deflect its guilt.

  310. @Quartermaster

    I speak as a Civil Engineer with a background in steel design and materials science.

    Great! Then explain us all how is it that the antenna at the top of one of the buildings began to fall before anything else.

    • Agree: Sam J.
  311. @Quartermaster

    So ¼-master.
    You get a 25¢ piece(a quarter) from your Master for each comment you make?
    How much is that in shekels in a televiv-town bank account nowadays?
    6,000,000 maybe?
    Trol-lah-lah-lah-lah.

    X-

  312. @Emslander

    Yes I agree. I think that over time almost anything organic or chemical tends towards becoming either increasingly unstable, or else goes the other way towards inert. Does AN lose its energetic potency over time?

  313. @Polemos

    Davy Crockett test

    Fukushima

    Homs

    Let me be clear, there is no reason to believe the mainstream narrative on anything of importance. They lie, period. They read from a script, here is an example.

    This Is Extremely Dangerous to Our “Democracy” | Same Anti-“False News” Sinclair’s Script in Unison

    On 911 they read from a script and got caught, BBC broadcast the collapse of WTC7 before it happened.

    So once you know this, there is no reason to believe for even one second that AN blew the hole in Beirut. That is the talking point they all read, it sounds plausible like Muslims with boxcutters, because it is meant to sound plausible, because their has to be a reason for why it happened, but not the real reason. Why does any rational person defend (or even waste their breath) defending the MSM narrative?

    Obviously if a nuke was used then they would try to obfuscate that. They could have fired a nuclear tipped torpedo timed to arrive just after the Israel f-16 fired a missile into the burning warehouse. They whole point of the “double tap” attack is to confuse the audience.

    So why does the Beirut explosion look like a nuke? Well there is a huge explosion, shock waves, and a huge rising cloud associated with such an explosion. It looks like a 3-10 KT ground burst. Mike Harris told VT that Israel got the W-54 warheads. All 2100 of them I suppose. They have the will to use them. Here is what a W-54 test looks like:

    That was an airburst, a ground burst or submarine torpedo would hide the flash, or the smoke from the first missile obscured the flash if it was a nuke. The resultant cloud was consistent with the one we see in Beirut. VT published the radiation spike chart. Earthquakes monitors were consistent with a tactical nuke 2-3 on the richter scale.

    The aftermath scene was reminiscent of Hiroshima.

    CCTV camera catches the public watching and pointing to the jet(s)

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/12/blockbuster-beirut-go-to-121-and-learn-who-fakes-what/

    • Replies: @Polemos
  314. @Yukon Jack

    Thanks for giving a relevant synopsis, easy-to-understand-summary, for the, let’s call’em ‘uniformed’.
    And, I can confirm that Christopher Bollyn’s books are excellent.
    Besides the idiot Tronald Dump’s statement “it was an attack…bomb…”, the 43-meter crater in the Beirut harbor is the ‘smoking gun’ here:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=43+meter+crater+beirut&t=ffab&atb=v224-1&iax=images&ia=images
    😉
    “It ain’t no smelly fertilizer doin’ that big a hole in bay-route…(spitting chewing tobacco)” would my Texan-farmer colleague Big Roger from the 1970’s Saudi Arabian experimental farming station say.
    “A’rabs ain’t that smart ya’ know”.

    No question in my mind the nut-and-yahoo jakobtinskyite benny-boy & friends are behind this.
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jacobtinsky&t=ffcm&atb=v224-1&ia=web
    Seriously speaking, a-choo a-choo, these people make me sick.

    Cheers X- in Sweden

    ps. to be fair, it’s only small group of *Jews* behind all of this shit.
    It’s important to note this fact.
    Why?
    Because as with all tribes, change must always come from within.
    Ron Unz & friends are doing a fantastic job helping the World with this.
    btw. in order to make this thread more readable & useful I will refrain from any more comments.
    Thank You all good friends of reason & thought here as well.

  315. Iris says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    A multitude of testimonies mention the presence of fighter jets flying over the scene during the incident. Some even report seeing planes or other flying objects.

    This is mentioned even by the anti-Hezbollah, pro-NATO Lebanese parties, such as this Bellingcat-style report:

    https://nigma.global/beyrouth%E2%80%8B-que-sest-il-reellement-passe-au-dela-des-fakes-et-des-mythes/

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
  316. Iris says:
    @jsinton

    First of all, the paper trail of how the ammonium nitrate got to Beirut is a lot of dead ends. I believe Hezbollah purchased the AN in a scam and got it to Beirut by a hoax.

    More impudent lies from the Hasbara rats.
    Mozambican mining company Fábrica de Explosivos Moçambique (FEM) have confirmed to CNN that they were the ones who originally ordered the ammonium nitrate that was left at Beirut’s port for nearly seven years. T

    The order of ammonium nitrate was intended for manufacturing explosives for mining companies in Mozambique, the spokesperson said. “We can confirm that yes, we did order it,” a spokesperson for FEM told CNN.

    https://www.reporter.am/ammonium-nitrate-that-exploded-in-beirut-bought-for-mining-mozambican-firm-says/

  317. geokat62 says:

    See whom they’ve groomed to be potentially a heartbeat away from the presidency, goy?

    [MORE]

    When Kamala Came for Shabbat Dinner

    They walked in like so many other Shabbat guests who we’ve had the pleasure of hosting. Our home in Jerusalem before Corona was always buzzing with great Shabbat conversations, our table more often than not surrounded by local friends, African dignitaries, and American politicians.

    While we’ve hosted many Members of Congress, Kamala Harris was our first Senator. This was in 2017, and it was a private trip, we were told, so that Doug Emhoff, her Jewish husband, could finally see the Jewish state and also experience a special Shabbat. No one had to tell us the significance; there were already whispers of a Presidential campaign.

    Unbeknown to us, the Senator asked her staff to seek out a shabbat dinner that would resonate for Doug, and they presented her with the names of six families. I think we won the privilege because the Israel Senator Harris loves, and the Judaism she most identifies with, is our Israel and our Judaism: filled with good people challenging its imperfections and fighting to lift human dignity wherever we can.

    They had landed in Jerusalem on Friday, late in the afternoon, changed at their hotel, and showed up with two staffers and a really good friend, Dr. Anita Friedman, bearing warm smiles and a gift.

    We had some guests of our own, including Yotam Polizer and his wife from IsraAID and Saul and Wendy Singer, of Start-Up Nation fame, and four of our kids, including Adar, who had just come home for Shabbat from the Israel Defense Forces as a tank commander and sharp-shooter.

    On the one hand, there is nothing remarkable about our Shabbat meals: candle lighting, angel cards, kiddush, blessing the kids, motzei. But Kamala wanted something special.

    She lit the candles with my wife, Rabbi Susan Silverman. They waved in the flickering lights and whispered the blessing together. These were the candlesticks Susan’s grandmother brought out of the pogroms of Poland to America, and she shared their story, and how remarkable it is to light them in a sovereign Jewish state.

    We sat around the table: Kamala sat across from Susan, Doug across from me, and everyone else was spread out. One thing you noticed about them right away: Doug loves Kamala — big time. It radiated, as they held hands or caught each other’s gaze.

    Susan explained each of the rituals, and the two guests were most taken by her linking the creation story in Kiddush with the exodus from Egypt: “The purpose of creation, as I understand it, is redemption. For Jews and for all people.”

    Kamala brought up solar energy and climate change. I was happy to tell her about our goal of going 100% solar daytime for Eilat and the Arava, which we achieved this year, and how we are bringing that model to African countries with U.S. government advocacy and financing.

    We didn’t talk about settlements or other wedge issues on Israel. Instead we talked about how the U.S. and Israel can work together to further international development and win the climate battle.

    “We have a lot to learn from you,” said the junior Senator from California. “Actually, the first commercial solar field in the world was an Israeli company that built in the Mojavi Desert and California is ahead on renewables targets and storage.”

    Wine, salatim, more discussion. On foster care, the relief work of IsraAID, feminism, and our programs in Israel and Africa on solar energy, Kamala turned to Doug each time with a look that seemed to say, “See, I told you your people and traditions are really cool.” And she gave Doug a short tutorial on Hamas rockets that terrorize the residents of Sderot.

    My impression is that they are essentially a Tikkun Olam interfaith family.

    When you host an intimate shabbat dinner, you expand your sense of family. Kamala saved sharing her Israel-related mission for dessert. She leaned forward toward Susan.

    “My goal is to hold together the center on Israel in the Democratic Party,” said the now-contender for the Vice Presidency of the United States.

    She said it with conviction, authenticity and, in that moment, as a related-Member of the Tribe around the Shabbat table in Jerusalem.

    https://forward.com/opinion/452489/when-kamala-came-for-shabbat-dinner/

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  318. BL says:

    Other speculation is perhaps more sinister with a local journalist in Beirut claiming that security-agency sources revealed a routine check three months ago that discovered military-grade explosives together with tons of the chemical in Hanger 12 while a former U.S. Central Intelligence Agency officer, Robert Baer, told CNN that certain aspects of the explosion “suggest the combustion of military-grade material along with the ammonium nitrate.”

    This is what we call a tell. Here’s Baer laying out the Democrat/Iranian plan to get rid of Trump through a replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis that sunk Carter’s reelection:

    Fake News CNN and MSDNC are still giving over 1/3 of their screens to the Corona Virus stats in an amped up version of Nightline’s daily reminder:

    Here’s Baer in December 2016 on CNN squeaking what has playfully come to be called sowing chaos:

    Giraldi is, of course, well aware what it means when this character pops up on the TV to telegraph what the play is to bring down the duly elected POTUS. Funny that he didn’t provide this Baer quote to you:

    “It almost looks like an accident,” he said. “It was incompetence, and maybe it was corruption . . .

  319. Whitewolf says:

    Hezbolah had no access to the area? You can not be serious.

  320. @Yukon Jack

    I am telling you Israel just nuked Beirut and got away with it

    Because thousands of Lebanese are now dying of radiation sickness…

  321. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    You are wasting your time with FB the Ignorant Troll. I caught him lying about military capability and added him to my Blocked Commenter list some time ago.

    I see that the smart Israeli guy that was helping you with chemistry has cut you loose, and now you are back to your familiar, blubbering retard self…

    Apparently also lies about other things such as his knowledge of Chemstry. He goes into histrionic mode and waves a spec sheet at you. However, his profound and total ignorance of the underlying subject means that FB the Ignorant Troll has no understanding of what the specs actually mean.

    Yeah, that’s just a childish hissy fit…what ‘spec sheet’ are you hallucinating about…?

    What I did was to explain the basic physics involved with ammonium nitrate…

    Here is a fairly decent explanation in the media of how this works…

    Ammonium nitrate does not burn on its own.

    Instead, it acts as a source of oxygen that can accelerate the combustion (burning) of other materials.

    For combustion to occur, oxygen must be present. Ammonium nitrate prills provide a much more concentrated supply of oxygen than the air around us. This is why it is effective in mining explosives, where it’s mixed with oil and other fuels.

    Obviously those bags of AN prills sitting in the warehouse could not have been MIXED with any kind of fuel…the ratio required for an explosive is 94 parts AN and six parts fuel…and it needs to be mixed quite thoroughly and homogeneously in order to maximize the explosion…

    It’s relatively difficult for a fire to trigger an ammonium nitrate explosion. The fire would need to be sustained and confined within the same area as the ammonium nitrate prills.

    Also, the prills themselves are not fuel for the fire, so they would need to be contaminated with, or packaged in, some other combustible material.

    That is all pretty straightforward…this stuff isn’t any kind of fuel and ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BURN OR EXPLODE…

    What some have suggested here is that ammonium nitrate by ITSELF can chemically decompose, which releases the oxygen molecules bound up in the little pellets…this is true, and this release is very energetic…and, under the right circumstances, can be something like an ‘explosion’…in the same way you can use ordinary compressed air to ‘blow up’ your bicycle tire if you insist on putting 100 psi into it…

    But this is NOT an explosion…an explosion means that a fuel BURNS…there must be COMBUSTION…AN by itself cannot burn…

    BUT if you take some AN and pack it into a SEALED container like a pipe, and then heat it up until the material starts decomposing, the release of the oxygen gas inside will cause a massive increase in pressure until the pipe bursts…just like the bicycle tire…

    Obviously there was no huge pipe in that warehouse for the AN to be packed into and then heated with the world’s biggest blowtorch until the thing exploded…

    There was also no mixing of all those hundreds of tons of AN bags with any kind of fuel in order to create a HOMOGENOUS combustible mixture…

    Those are the basic PHYSICAL FACTS…

    A satellite photo from the Russian space agency Roskosmos showing the devastation for several kilometers from the blast center

    Buildings have simply been flattened for literally many hundreds of meters in every direction…that requires a HUGE explosion…in fact even if that entire 3,000 tons of AN was professionally mixed with fuel to make a bomb, it would not be nearly powerful enough to cause the damage seen…

    I have linked to a blast calculator on the UN website where anyone can enter one million or two million or whatever amount of TNT and see immediately how far that kind of blast will cause a destructive OVERPRESSURE…

    That’s from a FEMA publication on explosive blast, available here…

    It’s absolutely disgusting that we have to put up with propaganda shills like this little retarded twerp Anus 123…he is doing everything he can to SPREAD DISINFORMATION…

    But it’s not working, because the facts are the facts…and no amount of hissy fits from this little worm can change that…

    PS…from the photos of the devastation, combined with the blast calculator info, it is clear that the explosion was absolutely huge…let’s increase the amount of high explosives in that calculator to see how far such a massive bomb would wreak building damage…

    Here’s what we get from 10 million kg of TNT…

    We see that at a distance [range] of 1000 meters [1 km, about two thirds of a mile] we have about 50 kilopascals of incident pressure, which is about 7 psi…just enough to knock down buildings…

    It’s pretty obvious from the pictures that the explosion was even bigger than that…the sat photo shows buildings RAZED to the ground for many hundreds of meters…

    How big was the bomb then…?

    The ten million kg of TNT we entered above is 10 kilotons…Hiroshima was 12 to 15 kilotons…

    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @FB
    , @Harold Smith
  322. @geokat62

    Thanks George!

    No matter who wins the election/selection, the insouciant American electorate will get a Zionist President.

    • Agree: geokat62
  323. Iris says:

    Somebody got the message from the Beirut bombing:

    Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan has just announced that, after contacts with Trump and Netanyahu, a road map for joint cooperation and normalization of state relations between the UAE and Israel has been agreed.

    https://arabic.rt.com/middle_east/1144014-بن-زايد-تم-الاتفاق-في-اتصال-مع-ترامب-ونتنياهو-على-خارطة-طريق-لتعاون-مشترك-وإقامة-علاقات-ثنائية/

  324. turtle says:
    @A123

    Bleve = Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion

    Yes, I can use the internet, thank you very much. We actually do have that here…

    — Trying to relieve the pressure, causes the boiling to release more vapor which generates more burning vapor that boils more liquid that….
    — Keeping the pressure high, also accelerates the chemical reaction due to higher density vapor.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Thanks for the insight, and the prudent course to prevent it.

    I feel your pain.

    Not my pain. My employer made money because of someone else’s stupidity, and we, his employees, got paid. 🙂

    That leaves you connecting the vacuum breaker to huge expensive pipe to a flare if the tank can hold toxic material.

    I expect you would have to flare it if the material were flammable, and of sufficient quantity, as well. Nothing like the sound of a flare going off @ full blast. 🙂

    So, I am curious.
    I get the impression you are from New England. Is that correct?
    Chem E degree, or something else?
    Did you work for A.D. Little, or W.R. Grace & Co?
    If either of the above, we might have acquaintances in common.

    I spent five years of my life in Cambridge, MA.
    Four years at the ‘tute (SB Course V, 1970), and one year working in industry (GCA Corp., Bedford, MA) in the air pollution control group.

    • Replies: @A123
  325. Iris says:

    On the anniversary of Lebanon’s July 2006 victory over the Israeli agressor, Nabih Berri, leader of the Amal political movment and Lebanon’s Parliament Speaker since 1992, has declared:

    “We are committed to full liberation and committed to resistance”. He added that what happened in Beirut was a punishment inflicted upon Lebanon for its siding and support to the Patestinians.

    https://arabic.rt.com/middle_east/1143967-بري-متمسكون-بالمقاومة-وما-يجري-هو-معاقبة-لبنان-لاحتضانه-آمال-الشعب-الفلسطيني/

  326. A123 says:
    @turtle

    I provided the origin for the term bleve more for other readers, rather than specifically for you.

    I have an Engineering degree, though I am from the South rather than the North.

    I am familiar with both of the firms you mentioned, but have not worked with either of them. I actually no longer work in Engineering. Finance has air conditioned offices and 0% risk of something exploding in your face.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @turtle
  327. Jazman says:
    @FB

    I can not believe this MF Anus123 calling you troll for educating many people who wants to learn something . Every time MF get destroyed so I am thinking is he sado mazo addicted

  328. @Quartermaster

    ‘…However, he’s an idiot when it comes to the twin towers. The airliners were capable of damaging the structure of the towers more than enough for the subsequent fires to weaken the steel sufficiently for the towers to collapse. The steel did not have to melt, just lower the yield stress enough for the collapse to start. Once the collapse began, the rest of the structure was doomed because of the unbalanced loading caused by the upper stories collapse…’

    I’ll take your word for it.

    However, my skepticism when it comes to the more extreme flavors of 9/11 trutherism comes from a different direction.

    If the planes aren’t going to be the agent of the destruction, why bother with them at all? Just fake a Timothy McVeigh-style truck bomb in the parking garage or whatever. Why go through all the elaborate chicanery — and accompanying risk of something going off the rails — of hijacking planes, making sure they show up at some time that will plausibly accord with the collapse of the buildings, etc?

    It’s unnecessarily complex and prone to failure. Just blow up the buildings and leave the desired ‘evidence’ in the wreckage and elsewhere. Who needs planes?

    Ergo, the Twin Towers really were knocked down by airliners being flown into them. No one would have bothered otherwise.

    • Troll: L.K, Larchmonter420
  329. @utu

    Israel is not about to broadcast it’s actual targets as the other side would take action and move it’s assets out of the target zone. Bibi is playing a psychological game with the world. He is telling you he is going to attack Hizbollah in Beirut, but he is staying within the boundaries of plausible deniability. When Beirut blew up you should immediately suspect him because he is the one state actor making speeches to the world about his enemy Hizbollah in Beirut.

    If your neighbor went to your city council meeting and complained about a particular neighbor dogs barking all of the time, then the barking dogs in the neighborhood start dying, who would you suspect? The person filing the complaint against the barking dog. But Bibi escapes such accusations because the media (Jewish owned and operated) gives him a free pass, they say Hizbollah did it. That is like saying the neighbors with the bad dogs killed their own dogs.

    Israel excels in this technique of blaming the victim for what they do. They do not want the world to turn against them, or wake up that the Zionist thugs are the ones responsible for nearly all the terrorism in the world. So what they do is manage public perception of Israel. Israel, they say, is the world’s most moral army. Israel is the apple of god’s eye. They even have this huge evangelical lobby praising Israel in megachurches while Israel does the world terror.

    https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.R2-h1t4tkdy-Dcu-lhioxAHaFj?pid=Api&rs=1

    Israel got away with 911 scott free, not one Jew was even charged with the crime. On 911 Jews were caught celebrating, driving vans around with a mural of planes crashing into the WTC! No one thought to investigate the Jewish lobby for their hand in this, when Jews in Hollywood put scenes of the trade towers on fire in movies?

    The evil genius at work here, everyone is arguing about the fertilizer not Israel. This is exactly like 911, how did the towers collapse not who was the instigator of the crime. Make no mistake, Bibi is the prime suspect here. Now look at what is going on in Iran, a sabotage war. It was Bibi who also held up a poster of Iran targets. People went to those places, they were empty. Obviously the target announced to the world is not the real target, Iran is. So when all these accidental explosions and fires go off in Iran, who do you suspect? Iran is being attacked by Israel on the orders of Netanyahu.

    Next time you see Bibi say ISIS is going to attack Amerika, know what the game is, he is telling you Israel is going to attack Amerika. Israel IS ISis. Bibi is planning on destroying Amerika, and with his track record you ought to believe him. He is damn serious about destroying anyone he hates, and he hates Amerika more than any other nation.

    “If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

    Also, the protests and color revolution in Lebanon – all part of the plan, long planned out before the attack. Israel is rolling over the ME like a D-9 cat, crushing all Arab resistance, fracturing and destabilizing all nations in it’s reach. Every nation near Israel is now smoking rubble. Cohencidence people? So when Beirut blew up, who the hell do you think did it? You think Israel got lucky, again? C’mon people, wake the f-ck up!

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
    , @utu
  330. A little puzzle inspired by a comment to this article, and turned to be very
    interesting.
    Below are five well-known and one expected to take place (F) events listed
    in chronological order: 1917-A, 1917-B, 1947-C, 1948-D, 2020-E, 2021-F.
    And grouped by their nature they look like: “ADF” and BCE”.
    What are they ?
    Hint: “Who’d do such a thing ?” is not an appropriate question when dealing
    with creatures operating on “whatever it takes” and “the dirtier the better”.

  331. FB says: • Website
    @FB

    And just a little more hard data about the Beirut blast…

    The sheer force flipped cars, blew out doors, broke windows and caused walls to collapse within five kilometres of the blast and reportedly broke windows as far away as nine or 10 kilometresfrom the Beirut port.

    CBC News

    How much explosive power does it take to break windows 10 kilometers away…?

    We see from the FEMA chart for overpressure in my above comment that it takes about 0.2 psi to break windows…that’s about 1.5 kilopascals…

    Here are the blast parameters at 10 km for a 20 kiloton TNT explosion…that’s 50 percent BIGGER than Hiroshima…

    We see incident overpressure just a little above that required to break windows at 10 km distance…

    Now…let’s see what 2,750 tons of TNT would do…this was the amount of ammonium nitrate stored, and we assume here that it was professionally mixed with fuel in order to make a bomb similar to TNT…[which of course wasn’t the case, but let’s pretend it was…]

    We see that the calculator only goes as far as 5,604 meters in this case…farther than that and the shockwave peters out and there will be no building damage or broken windows…

    At 5,000 m, which is five kilometers we get just barely enough overpressure to break windows [2.76 kPa, 0.4 psi]…that’s only HALF the distance of the recorded broken windows 10 km away…

    What we see here is absolute PROOF that even if we are to believe that the entire 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate was mixed precisely with fuel to make an explosive EQUIVALENT to TNT…it would NOT be powerful enough to do the damage seen…

    We see also here that this is nowhere near powerful enough to cause walls to collapse at five km distance…that would take at least 5 psi even for wood framed buildings, as per the FEMA overpressure…that is more than TEN TIMES higher than the 0.4 psi we have at five km…

    There can be no arguing with this hard science…the bomb in Beirut was a LOT bigger than 2,750 tons of even TNT…

    Already we are seeing all kinds of disinformation from troll farms like Bellingcrap, which this turd Anus 123 has already linked to on this thread…

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
    • Replies: @turtle
    , @FB
    , @Showmethereal
  332. Robjil says:
    @Patagonia Man

    I agree. 9 11 focus on how it was done does not get the culprits or stop them.

    Listen to “chatter”. That is what we where told by our rulers. Little do they know that the “chatter” from Israel and friends is the real “chatter”.

    Here is the example of our rulers pushing the “chatter” method for finding culprits. Little do they know that this “chatter” clue captures the real culprits= Israel and friends and not Isis, Al-Qaeda or other Israel toy groups.

    https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/911-anniversary-chatter-terror/2014/08/29/id/591592/

    Before Sept. 11, 2001, the intelligence community also saw an uptick in “chatter,” but deciphering it has become increasingly difficult, according to the Times, because like al-Qaida, ISIS also has targeted the United States.

  333. turtle says:
    @A123

    I have an Engineering degree, though I am from the South rather than the North.

    Perhaps I should have phrased the question somewhat differently. IIRC you responded with an “AGREE” to my comment awhile back, stating I believed Boston City Hall to be a good candidate for “world’s ugliest building,” and bemoaning how far Boston architecture has fallen from the State House and Faneuil Hall. So, I just naturally ass-u-med you had spent some time in metropolitan Boston, even if you were not from there.

    Competitive schools, as we all know, take their student body from all over the world. I knew several classmates from the American South, as well as many other places. One classmate was known as the “Georgia Kid” for his poker playing skills.

    So, where did you go to school?

    0% risk of something exploding in your face.

    LOL.
    I have always thought of an oil refinery as “a bomb you can walk through.”

    • Replies: @A123
  334. @Colin Wright

    Airliners use avgas (kerosene) which heats up to ca. 1,500 degrees f. To melt steel, required heat level is ca. 2,300 f. on a sustained basis. Case closed.

  335. @Greg Bacon

    Not sure why they think a secular democracy is pleasing to God. Its the exact opposite really.

  336. @Yukon Jack

    Also, the protests and color revolution in Lebanon – all part of the plan, long planned out before the attack. Israel is rolling over the ME like a D-9 cat, crushing all Arab resistance, fracturing and destabilizing all nations in it’s reach.

    Yes, 100%.

    When Egyptian leader, Mohamed Ali, who had made allies across the Middle East, wanted to take the Middle East out of its stagnant state in modernizing it with secured technologies that had made of Europe an advanced continent, the British Empire waged on him to crush his endeavor. We know who ran the British Empire and this isn’t any different. Anyone who seeks to move head is destroyed.

    Interestingly enough, Ali’s plan also bothered the Ottoman Sultan. The British Empire offered to take care of Ali in exchange of a diplomatic post in Jerusalem (which was granted). Little did the Sultan know, he was next in line.

  337. A123 says:
    @turtle

    Perhaps I should have phrased the question somewhat differently. IIRC you responded with an “AGREE” to my comment awhile back, stating I believed Boston City Hall to be a good candidate for “world’s ugliest building,”

    I do not recall that post. However, BCH is a truly hideous building. I might have agreed based only on it rather than the full scope of the architecture under discussion.

    So, where did you go to school?

    Giving up unnecessary personal information on a site that has conspiracy theorist discussions…. While there is a 99.9%+ chance it would be fine, “tail risk” exists.

    I have always thought of an oil refinery as “a bomb you can walk through.”

    Maintenance worried me. You have these strangers around your stuff, and you can never be 100% confident they put everything back together correctly. Start-up sucks when that clanking sound means someone left a tool in a tank or pipe.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @FB
  338. turtle says:
    @FB

    Hey, FB,
    Thanks for the hard data.

    I have a few comments.
    1. Even though there is (as yet) no evidence that anyone poured diesel fuel over the stacked bags of AN, the bags themselves look to be polypropylene (just a guess), or some other organic (i.e., carbon containing, material). So, given organic material, AN most likely assumed its usual role as an oxidizer.
    There may have been explosive decomposition as well, but my bet would be that combustion contributed the major amount of energy to the blast. I am too lazy to look it up, but I am betting the heat of combustion is way more than the piddling 5.5kcal/mol due to explosive decomposition.

    2. Even given that amount of energy, if there is a standard “TNT equivalent,” as some here have stated, then it makes perfect sense to plug TNT into a standard blast effects calculator, as you have done.

    3. The table of blast effects evidently dates from the 1980s, and was based on the best available data at that time. I can tell you that the numbers for failure of CMU (concrete block) walls is probably way too low for modern construction standards, and are most likely for what is known as “unreinforced masonry.” This may or may not be relevant to whatever was standing in Beirut harbor prior to the explosion. Same goes for wood framed structures. But, in general, we can say that older structures, anywhere in the world, are likely to be much less able to withstand lateral forces than newer ones, built to modern codes.

    4. I am amazed at how little overpressure is evidently required to break glass.

    Thanks for your post.

    So, what do you think happened?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @anon
  339. @Yukon Jack

    If you search youtube “netanyahu un speech 2019” you get this:

    — You get the null set.

    The pertinent “Netanyahu UN speech” was in 2018, as I spelled out in painful detail in Taxi’s article, The US, Israel and Beirutshima, comment #290
    https://www.unz.com/article/the-us-israel-and-beirutshima/#comment-4089784

    including the youtube clip as well as screen shot of Bibi displaying the sign board.

    That comment was addressed to Utu’s contention in comment # 158 that the Bibi-at-UN-showing-warehouse “is a fake video.”

    I conceded that the warehouses Bibi identified in the 2018 UN appearance were not the same as the one blown up, but were (according to my reckoning at the time) six miles from the AN warehouse.

    I attempted to explain that anomaly by invoking Richard Silverstein’s thesis, that Israel did the deed but it inadvertently (or not) set off a larger chain of explosions than was anticipated.

    Utu responded to my correction thus:

    “SolontoCroesus is easy to fool as he strives to fulfill his confirmation bias w/o sufficient error checks.” https://www.unz.com/article/the-us-israel-and-beirutshima/#comment-4090835

    That may be true: I’d already pled guilty to Confirmation bias.

    But the fact remains: the video was not “fake.” Bibi did identify buildings in reasonable proximity to the building that was destroyed, and did aver that Israel would destroy “Hezbollah’s missile sites.”

    Utu couldn’t let it go: he repeated: “the warehouse is 4 miles from the sites Bibi identified.”

    Indeedy doodie.

    That fact completely exonerates Bibi and the Israelis. Because the buildings Bibi labeled were four miles from the targeted warehouse, they might as well have been on the moon, that’s how unrelated Bibi’s three buildings are to the destruction of Beirut.

    Bibi’s threat against Hezbollah is as relevant to the Beirut explosion as if he spoke at the UN and threatened to blow up buildings in New York City. Or Syria. No connection whatsoever, and only someone laboring under Jew hatred antisemitism (Taubman alert) confirmation bias would even think such a thing. (Yukon: that was sarcasm/ass-hattery).

    The saying, “Where’s there’s smoke there’s fire” is particularly apt: The “where” of the smoke does not necessarily allow one to instantly pinpoint the “where” of the fire.

    In #266, Yukon Jack, you are making the same claim I made earlier to Utu.

    My comment @ #127 is most appropriately categorized as sarcasm, or ass-hattery: it chided Utu for stating that the video of Bibi at UN was “fake.”

    Capisci?
    whew.
    that was painful.

    • Agree: Robjil, Iris
  340. FB says: • Website
    @FB

    More evidence that the blast was much bigger than physically possible from ammonium nitrate…

    Wikipedia has an article up, pulling together a lot of media reports about damage in the city…for instance, the Beirut international airport is 10 km away from the explosion site, yet suffered damage to the terminal buildings…

    This photograph shows damage at Beirut airport as a result of the explosion about 10km away.

    But is this even possible from an explosion of 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate…?

    Wikipedia and other media have settled on a figure of about 1,200 tons of TNT as the ‘equivalent’ of that amount of ammonium nitrate…here’s what we get when we enter that amount into the UN explosives calculator…

    At a distance of four kilometers [4,000 meters] we get an incident overpressure of just 2.57 kPa…which is about 0.4 psi…that is not enough to do any real damage to buildings, it can only break windows…

    At 10 km away, there would be no overpressure at all, and the UN calculator only goes up to 4,250 meters for this amount of TNT…so how did the airport 10 km away have such damage…?

    Also in wikipedia, the St George Hospital, one of the city’s biggest medical facilities and one km away from the explosion ‘was so badly damaged that staff were forced to treat patients in the street.’

    Four nurses died from the initial blast…

    Within hours, after discharging all its patients, and sending some to other facilities, Saint George Hospital was forced to close.[130]

    The hospital’s director of intensive care, Dr. Joseph Haddad, was quoted as saying: “There is no St. George Hospital any more. It’s fallen, it’s on the floor … It’s all destroyed. All of it.”[43]

    How could this possibly happen from a blast equivalent to 1.2 kilotons of TNT as we are told by the media and wikipedia…?

    The blast calculator tells us that, at 1,000 meters it would produce only 16 kPa of overpressure, which is 2 psi…

    But the Department of Defense has conducted studies analyzing this kind of data for many decades…and it takes a lot more overpressure than 2 psi to cause fatalities and severe building damage…

    CDC, Effects of Blast Pressure on Structures and the Human Body

    The human body can survive relatively high blast overpressure without experiencing barotrauma.

    A 5 psi blast overpressure will rupture eardrums in about 1% of subjects, and a 45 psi overpressure will cause eardrum rupture in about 99% of all subjects.

    The threshold for lung damage occurs at about 15 psi blast overpressure. A 35-45 psi overpressure may cause 1% fatalities, and 55 to 65 psi overpressure may cause 99% fatalities. (Glasstone and Dolan, 1977; TM 5-1300, 1990)

    Let’s put those numbers into the Beirut hospital context, which would have experienced only 2 psi overpressure…yet it takes 20 times that much to cause just 1 percent fatalities…?

    Look at the damage to these residential buildings made of steel-reinforced concrete…

    Based on all the extant information about blast pressure and how much pressure is required to do what damage at what distance, there can be little doubt that even if we believe that this ammonium nitrate bomb exploded as the official story goes, it would NOT have been able to cause this kind of damage, this far away…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Sam J.
  341. turtle says:
    @A123

    Start-up sucks

    Probably the most dangerous time, particularly following a shutdown. The “shutdown hounds” have been working long hours to keep schedule, and make money while they can. Some of these guys are what I might call “pipe surgeons,” (can you pass 100% radiographic inspection? I know I can’t.) but fatigue does take its toll…

    You have these strangers around your stuff,

    Not to mention incompetent company reps. A co-worker and I came within an ace of making a posthumous appearance on the evening news back in the early 1990s. Company rep at what was then Unocal Wilmington (now Philips) told us to slip a blind in an 18″ refinery fuel gas line, which he said was dead. Guess what, it wasn’t. I thought the hissing sound was just residual gas bleeding off, but my work partner realized the line was under pressure, and frantically signaled me (we were working in “fresh air,” i.e. SCBA) to run the stud bolts back down. This was near the end of a very long day.

    Our supervisor chewed the Unocal rep (not the brightest bulb in the chandelier) a new one, and Tony & I lived to tell the tale. Close, they say, only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades , and nuclear weapons.

    • Agree: A123
  342. @FB

    “That is all pretty straightforward…this stuff isn’t any kind of fuel and ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BURN OR EXPLODE…”

    How can you possibly say that? There are dozens of carefully done studies and many historical disasters that prove your statement false, e.g.
    https://www.aria.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/wp-content/files_mf/FD_14373_oppau_1921_ang.pdf

    • Replies: @FB
  343. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Look…I’m now politely asking you to just stop addressing me here…

    Ammonium nitrate is not any kind of fuel and cannot possibly burn by itself…I have already discussed this at some length…but it seems you are simply a complete layman who doesn’t understand the first thing about chemistry, or thermodynamics, or anything else for that matter…

    Ammonium nitrate contains oxygen, not fuel…it is an oxydizer…it supplies oxygen in the burning of a fuel…by itself it can release that oxygen very quickly if HEATED to a high temperature of over about 400 degrees…this by itself cannot have any effect if it is out in the open because that offgassing of oxygen will simply go into the atmosphere…

    You are really now a complete nuisance, because you insist on arguing about BASIC SCIENTIFIC FACTS…and detracting from the much bigger issue, which is how the hell our media is once again giving us completely bogus explanations…

    We see this every time there is a science aspect to a news story [which is often]…the people in the media simply aren’t capable of giving us good information…they speak to various technical specialists like chemical engineers and professors for instance, who do say the right things about how ammonium nitrate bombs work, but then do not think about the other aspects, such as how much explosive force such an ammonium nitrate-fuel bomb could produce, and how this damage would look like on the ground…

    This requires a specialist dealing with explosive blast effects…so the big picture gets only partially explained, while very big and obvious questions remain…

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @anon
  344. @SolontoCroesus

    Speaking of “Jew hatred antisemitism (Taubman alert) confirmation bias,” does anyone else suspect that Kamala Harris was on Biden’s very short list all along; and that Kamala’s most important qualification for the job is her Jewish husband?

    What changes can we expect in foreign policy if the spouse of the person who will inevitably succeed “I am a zionist” Biden is Jewish? Will Israel’s stranglehold on so many US institutions and policies be lessened?

    But then — the choice is Trump-the-zionist in thrall to his Jewish son-in-law and daughter; or Biden-the-zionist and his Vice President, Kamala Harris, the second wife of Douglas Emhoff,

    While many Jewish groups have congratulated Harris on her nomination, the leader of one hard-right group shunned her marriage to Emhoff.
    “Serious Jews don’t marry non Jewish woman,” Zionist Organization of America president Mort Klein tweeted on Wednesday.

    He later deleted the post amid backlash, but defended its content. https://www.timesofisrael.com/his-kids-call-her-momala-meet-the-jewish-husband-of-bidens-pick-for-vp/

    Even tho Emhoff & Harris did a switch-around at their wedding and Kamala did the smash-the-glass thing at their wedding, maybe Emhoff is not a “serious Jew.” His first wife is Swedish-Irish.

    “Breaking the glass is supposed to recall the destruction of the temples. It’s a way of remembering the tragedy of Jerusalem “even at the happiest hour” . . . .

    • Thanks: Iris
  345. @SolontoCroesus

    I’m new here, taking the comments literal. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree with you of course, Bibi is the suspect here, he is fingering Hizbollah ahead of the crime he is about to commit. BTW I have seen this first hand with some of my bad neighbors who were career criminals, they would always be the first to call the sheriff and point the finger when in fact they did the crime.

    You sarcasm is well noted and extremely valid here in this discussion.

    That fact completely exonerates Bibi and the Israelis. Because the buildings Bibi labeled were four miles from the targeted warehouse, they might as well have been on the moon, that’s how unrelated Bibi’s three buildings are to the destruction of Beirut.

    Ever since Israel was founded the problems started. The entire ME is turning into a shithole, one by one every nation surrounding Israel is getting picked off. So how can anyone in good conscience not suspect Israel first when something blows up?

    Bibi is the king of false accusations. Israel has this huge nuclear arsenal, much of it gifted from the USA, and they are using nukes regularly according to VT, yet Bibi has the gall to stand at the UN and accuse Iran, which has signed the NNPT, has allowed inspectors verify it has NO bomb program. Yet the entire MSM does not call them out.

    The only threatening nuclear power in the ME is Israel, yet because of such a strong pro-Israel lobby, especially in the USA, Israel gets a free pass every time. How many nations have to be destroyed before people figure out who is behind all of this terror?

    Statue Destruction Is About Wiping Out American History | Hans von Spakovsky

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  346. @FB

    ‘But is this even possible from an explosion of 2,750 tons of ammonium nitrate…?’

    Offhand, 2750 tons is a hell of a lot of explosive.

    Allowing for the bomb casings and such, we’re talking about a load equivalent to one of those thousand-plane raids of the Second World War. Even allowing for the relative weakness of ammoniun Nitrate as an explosive, the charge still comes to something like a tenth of the explosive force of the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

    Obviously, various other factors enter into the calculation — but I would expect some broken windows.

  347. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    I am amazed at how little overpressure is evidently required to break glass.

    Yes, it’s not that obvious at first…

    DO this thought experiment…take a piece of window glass let’s say five feet by two ft…that’s ten square feet…now support it with a carpenter horse on either end, laying it flat between the two supports…then take about 300 pounds worth of sandbags and start putting it on the glass…how long before it breaks…

    That’s what 0.2 psi of pressure is…pressure is of course force divided by area…so 10 sq ft of area is 1,440 square inches…if you put 0.2 pounds on each of those 1,440 square inches you get 288 pounds…that pane of window glass is not going to hold that…

    Obviously if you take any other building material, like plywood, or sheet steel, or even reinforced concrete and start increasing the psi load…at 2 psi you have 3,000 pounds…and 20 psi you have 30,000 pounds…so even a concrete wall is not going to hold that…

    Even though there is (as yet) no evidence that anyone poured diesel fuel over the stacked bags of AN, the bags themselves look to be polypropylene (just a guess), or some other organic (i.e., carbon containing, material). So, given organic material, AN most likely assumed its usual role as an oxidizer.

    Yes, but those bags may not be plastic, which is a petrochemical as you point out…Chuck pointed out earlier upthread that this stuff may be stored in burlap bags for that very reason…not sure about this, but it sounds reasonable enough…

    There may have been explosive decomposition as well, but my bet would be that combustion contributed the major amount of energy to the blast.

    I agree…and this is a MAJOR issue…because the only ‘explosive’ power that ammonium nitrate has by itself is by dint of it releasing very large amounts of oxygen and water vapor very quickly…and those have a much much bigger VOLUME than the pellets in their solid form…

    BUT…this again is the key and I have stressed this already…unless that AN is bottled up inside a very rigid pressure vessel to begin with, then that explosive volumetric expansion will simply be absorbed in the atmosphere…like an inflated balloon when you let go, quickly releasing its air…it’s not any kind of explosion…

    And it won’t produce a shockwave of any kind…so that devastation that we see is the result of a genuine explosion…that means if the AN was involved, it would have also needed FUEL…

    So, what do you think happened?

    Well…it’s hard to say isn’t it…there is no shortage of instant experts on the internet today, as we see right here on this thread…

    But here is the angle that hasn’t been explored anywhere in the media, and that is to discuss the overpressure that is required to produce the kind of damage we see…and the amount of explosive that kind of overpressure would require…

    I have absolutely nothing about this in the media…like I said already, there are all kinds of media stories where some chemistry expert has been consulted who says yeah, ammonium nitrate can become a bomb under certain conditions…but nobody is saying well how much DAMAGE could that amount of AN actually do…?

    And after bringing out the data in my last several posts, I am fairly comfortable saying that it would have to have been a LOT BIGGER than 1,200 tons ‘equivalent’ of TNT…

    In fact even if that entire 2,750 tons of AN was pure TNT, I would say the blast evidence argues that it would be too small…

    I’m willing to be proved wrong of course…again, this is a bit far afield from my area, but thermodynamics and thermochemsitry is also important in my work…so it’s not like I’m dealing with a foreign language…

    Farther than that I cannot say…I would have to agree that some kind of nuclear device might seem a bit far fetched, but hey, you never know…there is that guy on twitter who is an engineering prof who says they’ve been working on nukes with greatly reduced radiation…

    I think the commenter Jazman posted a link upthread…

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  348. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    So, where did you go to school?

    Giving up unnecessary personal information on a site that has conspiracy theorist discussions…. While there is a 99.9%+ chance it would be fine, “tail risk” exists.

    Aw come on now little Anus…don’t be shy…you should be proud of being an alumnus of Ringling Bros and Barnum and Bailey Clown College…

    Heck, the great Penn Jillette graduated from there…

    As for the ‘tail risk’ is this what you had in mind…?

  349. @FB

    “Look…I’m now politely asking you to just stop addressing me here…”

    I thought after looking at PATR 2700 and the papers I cited you were in agreement with me that NH4NO3 can explode by itself. I thought the disagreement was over my assertion that a few hundred grams of high explosive could’ve detonated the NH4NO3 stored at Beirut. I guess not.

    “Ammonium nitrate is not any kind of fuel and cannot possibly burn by itself…I have already discussed this at some length…but it seems you are simply a complete layman who doesn’t understand the first thing about chemistry, or thermodynamics, or anything else for that matter…”

    I don’t have to understand “the first thing about chemistry, or thermodynamics, or anything else for that matter” to understand and accept the abundantly proven fact that NH4NO3 can explode by itself.

    “You are really now a complete nuisance because you insist on arguing about BASIC SCIENTIFIC FACTS…and detracting from the much bigger issue, which is how the hell our media is once again giving us completely bogus explanations…”

    How can I (or anyone else) ignore the results of dozens of published papers (some authored by some of the most renowned experts in the field e.g. Melvin Cook) which show that NH4NO3 is detonable by itself (as insensitive and weak as it may be)?

    How can I (or anyone else) ignore the circumstances surrounding the devastating “Oppau Explosion” for example, where a small explosion detonated hundreds of tons of ammonium nitrate that was not only not mixed with fuel but instead mixed with inert ammonium sulfate?

    If we can’t agree by this point that ammonium nitrate can explode by itself then I give up; any further discussion would be pointless.

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  350. Excellent some meat is thrown at the rabid dog, instead of just bones!

    Israel and the UAE establish ‘full normalization of relations,’ Trump says

    (CNN)Israel says it will ​temporarily “suspend​” plans to annex the West Bank, as part of a new peace deal with the United Arab Emirates.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/israel-united-arab-emirates-normalization-trump/index.html

    Mohamed

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  351. @Yukon Jack

    Welcome to Unz Forum, Yukon Jack.

    Sorry to have been so rough.

    SWMBO & I get along a lot better if I vent spleen via keyboard: Ron Unz, Marriage Counselor Extraordinaire.

    As your comments, photos and videos give evidence, there’s plenty of sour spleen in the atmosphere.

    I sure wish I knew some more effective action to take; until then, I read & write.
    ———–
    PS — re: “Ever since Israel was founded . . .”

    My theory is far more damning:
    USA is accused of genocide of the natives; Israelis use that historical fact to justify their slow-motion genocide of Palestinians. I recall some years ago an Israeli demonstration where protesters dressed in feather headdress to mimic / taunt US bad acts against natives.

    But the way that Israel came into being is far, far worse than just wiping out the hitherto indigenous people of the land intended to be colonized – occupied – taken: Jews destroyed the states, cultures and people that they came from — Jews deliberately destroyed Russia, Germany, and Poland, just as ancient Hebrews destroyed their former hosts, Egyptians, as they Exodused that place.

    Jewish zionists began their acts of destructive Exodus long before 1948.

    The destruction of a major port is particularly relevant: the first act of Jewish settlers in Palestine was to build TelAvin near to Jaffa in order to subvert that Arab port.
    In Etan Bloom’s narration on the activities of Arthur Ruppin (Arthur Ruppin and the Production of the Modern Hebrew Culture; dissertation at TelAviv University, 2008), he wrote:

    Ruppin’s part in the establishment of Tel Aviv [beginning ~1908] demonstrates his dominant position in the social field and reveals some of the guidelines of his culture planning. In his recommendation to the JNF in support of the founding of Tel Aviv he explained that a Jewish urban settlement would create a market for the agriculture produce of the Jewish agriculture sector, and would also divert the flow of capital from the Arabs of Jaffa (who profited from the rent of apartments), into Jewish hands. . . .

    Ruppin explained the attraction of Tel Aviv for immigrants and Jewish capital as being a place where immigrants can live in a “healthy European atmosphere” . . . as opposed to Arab Jaffa. This same policy of separating the Arabs (economically and culturally) from the Jewish cultural space lay behind his decision to build the Hebrew Gymnasia in the Jewish neighborhood of Tel Aviv . . .

    That is, the first Jewish city built in Palestine 40 years before the Declaration of a Jewish state, was conceived and intended to displace and disadvantage native Arabs; to take over the institutions and prosperity they had created and turn it into Jewish-only wealth; and to remain separate and apart from them in every way.

  352. turtle says:
    @FB

    Brief response, because I have another appointment in 30 minutes. May have additional comments later.

    1. Burlap is also an organic material, because it is made from plants.
    Organic chemistry = chemistry of carbon compounds.
    All plants and animals on this Earth are “carbon based life forms”

    2. Loading of structures can be either static or dynamic.
    “Structures” can include buildings, aircraft wings, and many other items.
    Dynamic loading induces higher stresses. The theoretical maximum “dynamic load factor ” is 2.0
    Are you familiar with that concept? If not, you can look it up, or I can explain it later.
    Going back to your “bags of cement on a window pane” example, common experience will tell you if you drop the bag from some height, you will dissipate more K.E. than if you gently set the bag on the window. That is not what I am talking about. What may not be as obvious is that even without the drop, the rate at which the load is applied to the support determines the maximum stress.

    I’m willing to be proved wrong

    Well, that separates you from the pack of “solid bone” heads. 🙂

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  353. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    Look, I already explained this in some detail…SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY…

    What happened in that fertilizer plant in Germany is that they were sticking dynamite INTO that solidified pile of ammonium nitrate…

    That big pile is then like its own PRESSURE VESSEL…the heat and pressure from the dynamite sets the AN into CHEMICAL DECOMPOSITION…which means it starts turning from that solid substance into oxygen and water vapor that is hugely EXPANDED by volume…

    Being in the middle of that rock-hard pile of AN, that gas and all of its energy has nowhere to go…so the pressure and heat starts just keeps on building and setting off more of the AN, causing even more release of oxygen and water vapor…and it has nowhere to go…

    It’s like pumping up your bicycle tire to 100 psi…what happens…it blows up…the energy from that compressed gas is released ‘explosively’…but it’s not an explosion, any more than your bicylce tire ‘exploding’ if you cram too much air into it…

    But obviously for this to have happened in Beirut somebody would have have to have stuck explosives DEEP INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT PILE…

    That pile would then be like the bicycle tire holding that pressure in…until it blows…but that kind of ‘explosion’ is NOT anywhere close to the kind of real, combustion explosion that happened in Beirut…there is a big big difference…

    It would NOT create a supersonic shockwave…only a subsonic pressure wave…and that could obviously never cause this kind of damage…blowing outwindows 10 kms away requires a HIROSHIMA LEVEL EXPLOSION…

    And again, unless you use the mass of the pile itself to create the chemical reaction DEEP INSIDE that pile…it will not do anything…if it just starts chemically decomposing on the surface it will just gas off into the air, like a balloon…

    Do you understand this yet…?…I hope so because you would have understood all this a long time ago, if you had CAREFULLY read what I had written…

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  354. utu says:
    @Yukon Jack

    You engage in willful disinformation. You lie. You have stated: “Starting at 17:38 Netanyahu picks up the presentation board of the map of Beirut harbor, here is a screenshot:” which is a lie because the presentation board shows Beirut airport and three possible locations of Hezbollah missile assembly and storage sites according to Netanyahu while the Beirut port is outside of the Netanyahu presentation board. The explosion occurred about 4-5 miles north from Beirut airport.

  355. Here is a new video on twitter of the attack on Beirut. Clear audio. English subtitles. You can here the F-16? in the background delivering the ordnance. Could have been an F-15 or other jet, maybe even American.

    Some things to note in this video. First the warehouse by the grain silo is smoldering. It does not look like it is ready to explode. It does NOT look threatening. A firefighter would approach this building with some caution because it is just lots of smoke.

    The first bomb (or missile) creates a big explosion. You actually see the smoke turn to flames before the sound waves catch up to the image. (light is faster than sound) The “fireworks (NOT) start to go off, this is probably ammunition. The first bomb seems to be a standard 500 lb MK82 that Israeli pilots are skillful in delivering – see Operation Opera.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera

    a squadron of heavily fueled and heavily armed F-16As, with a group of F-15As to provide air cover and fighter support, could perform a surgical strike to eliminate the reactor site without having to refuel.[59]

    https://theaviationist.com/2017/06/07/operation-opera-the-israeli-air-strike-on-an-iraqi-nuclear-reactor/

    Then as the fire burns another bomb is delivered – classic Israeli double tap say I. The purpose is to obfuscate the cause, you are to believe that the AN went off, which is highly improbable, even if it exists, as the comment section here attests. AN could go off but not likely. What is more likely is that Beirut was nuked by Netanyahu for all the reasons we have discussed on this forum.

    (DISCLAIMER: BTW I am NOT trying to pump VT nor do I agree with GD on his pro global warming stance, nor do I agree with VT on this corona hoax, nor do I agree with his pro Biden-Harris ticket. I am also not a Trump fan. VT is dead wrong about global warming, there is no global warming, never was, it was a gigantic hoax now replaced by the corona hoax. CO2 in no way affects or controls earth’s temperatures. I have written extensively on this, global warming is useful only in the way the media machine is used to mass mind control the public, which was repeated with this non-pandemic stampeding)

  356. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    Loading of structures can be either static or dynamic.

    Yes they can, I’m well aware of structural dynamics, thanks…

    But there is no need to make things more complicated here if we are trying to get the layman to understand what happens to building structures [or people] when they are subjected to blast effects…

    If you want to pick nits, then the correct concept here is impulse…which is force integrated over TIME…

    For example a hurricane generates a very low overpressure [perhaps about 0.8 psi for a 200 mph wind], but a HUGE impulse, because the time interval over which it acts is very large…and will cause huge structural damage to even the strongest structures…

    A blast shockwave is different…it quickly passes, so it’s time of action is nearly instantaneous…

    If you look at the UN calculator I’ve been linking to you will see also values for incident and reflected impulse…

    I’ve mentioned the importance of the TIME factor before when dealing with how we measure energy release, and it is important…but again, we don’t need to get into impulse in order to try to get an understanding of what happened here…

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  357. Of course, you do ALL realize that to every Arab/Muslim nation the attack on Beirut serves as a warning of what the Anglo-zionists can do to them at any point in time – with impunity!

    So first the backstory: for all those who still believe we’re dealing with independent, sovereign nations rather than UK-US client states:

    The federation of 7 emirates, the UAE is an absolute monarchy. Initially set up as a British Protectorate called the Trucial States in 1892 this ended as recently as 1971 with the UAE’s “independence” and establishment in its current form.

    So, we can always tell who did what (and why) – from the events immediately following afterward.

    Case in point: recall immediately after 9-11 the zionist entity reneged on all the agreements it signed in the Oslo Peace Accords I (1993) & II (1995), aka the Declaration of Principles on Interim Self-Government Arrangements?

    So today, the UAE the 1st Arab/ Muslim nation (i.e. UK client state) signs the:

    “Third-ever peace treaty between Israel and an Arab state includes embassies, direct flights; agreement “suspends” annexation, but Netanyahu says: “I will never give up on our right to our land.”

    https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/israel-and-uae-reach-historic-peace-deal-638524

    NOTE:
    – UAE’s oil reserves are the 6th-largest in the world.
    – Its natural gas reserves are the 7th-largest in the world.

  358. @Larchmonter420

    The Beirut bomb blast has served as a warning to all other Arab/Muslim nation states – that their capital cities can be hit at any time – with impunity!

    See my comment #360.

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  359. @Patagonia Man

    ‘Of course, you do ALL realize that to every Arab/Muslim nation the attack on Beirut serves as a warning of what the Anglo-zionists can do to them at any point in time – with impunity!

    Without necessarily agreeing with you as to who did what, that would make it a classic Israeli operation.

    It plays two ways. To Israel’s supporters in the West, the Beirut explosion is just an unfortunate accident. To Israel’s enemies and victims, it would be a demonstration of her power.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  360. @FB

    “But obviously for this to have happened in Beirut somebody would have have to have stuck explosives DEEP INTO THE MIDDLE OF THAT PILE…”

    But if as you said earlier “[t]hat is all pretty straightforward…this stuff isn’t any kind of fuel and ABSOLUTELY CANNOT BURN OR EXPLODE…”; then what difference does it make if explosives are placed near the surface or deep inside…such a pile of inert material?

    “That pile would then be like the bicycle tire holding that pressure in…until it blows…but that kind of ‘explosion’ is NOT anywhere close to the kind of real, combustion explosion that happened in Beirut…there is a big big difference…

    It would NOT create a supersonic shockwave…only a subsonic pressure wave…and that could obviously never cause this kind of damage…blowing outwindows 10 kms away requires a HIROSHIMA LEVEL EXPLOSION…”

    The French Ministry of Environment would seem to disagree with you:

    “According to experts only 10 % of the stored fertiliser, i.e. 450 tonnes was involved in the explosion. However, its effects (shattering of glass seen around 30 km), being more devastating than an explosion involving 500 tonnes of TNT, the ‘dangerous materials released’ index is at 6 (Q2 parameter).

    And again, unless you use the mass of the pile itself to create the chemical reaction DEEP INSIDE that pile…it will not do anything…if it just starts chemically decomposing on the surface it will just gas off into the air, like a balloon…”

    That must’ve been a hell of a “chemical reaction” that destroyed the plant and left a crater 90m x 125m x 20m (deep):

    And apparently trashed the town:

    https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/ZWEWeYaEW6wpIxPzNNNcLL2J30H0CPPI310Zb0lFTl4F8taL6VbXn1iCAYuoBYMePjUlS8NzTXZnyXpZR05-F26nOLvXXq4rGDr260Crt82t-orkNr5OQxjGjQ

    “Do you understand this yet…?”

    I have to admit that I’m having some trouble with the concept of an inert material which can be made to non-explosively explode, causing apparent widespread yet non-damaging damage.

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  361. turtle says:
    @FB

    Agree with everything you said.
    I was building up to pretty much what you said, before I had to leave temporarily for another commitment.

    I’ve mentioned the importance of the TIME factor before when dealing with how we measure energy release, and it is important…but again, we don’t need to get into impulse in order to try to get an understanding of what happened here…

    Actually, I would say we do, if the average person without any technical knowledge is to understand the physics, in terms which he can relate to his everyday experiences.
    Not intending to pick nits, just to make the physics understandable, in a technically honest way, to those without the benefit of a scientific/engineering education. I am sure that is your intention as well. So, if we are talking at cross purposes, please feel free to call me down. I will not take offense, and will thank you for your correction.

    So, if you go to the blast effects calculator & related tables, you will see a wind speed reported for various degrees of damage. Speaking from memory, and without referring to your original post, we get something like 38mph wind speed for over pressure which can break glass.

    The average person will look at this and say, “Look, we have had way more than 38mph winds here, and I don’t see any broken glass. All my windows are intact.” and, of course, he would be correct. The important thing, as you have said, and I certainly agree, is that the rate of energy application is what counts.

    • Agree: FB
  362. @Patagonia Man

    Further to my previous comment re: the zionist entity’s Beirut bomb blast as a warning shot to ALL Arab/Muslim nation-states, after the UAE’s capitulation today, watch as other Arab/Muslim client states fall like dominoes – they’ll all turn into the zionist entity’s allies overnite – exactly as the Anglo-zionists planned in their establishment.

    And after that the next stage will be these puppet governments will pose as an alliance against the Shia Crescent of Iran-Syria-Lebanon-Palestine-Hezbollah

    Yemen’s Red Sea ‘time bomb’ is a Beirut-like disaster in waiting

    “An abandoned oil tanker is a looming catastrophe off the coast of Yemen’s most vital port, threatening the livelihoods and health of vast numbers of people.”

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2020/08/yemen-fso-safer-tanker-oil-spill-beirut-leak-red-sea-vessel.html

  363. @Patagonia Man

    …. and what is a classic example of ‘divide and conquer’ over the 1400-year dispute as to the authentic successor to Muhammed The Prophet (pbuh)

    Sold out again by their Sunni Muslim brothers …

    Palestine recalls ambassador from [97% Sunni] UAE after it establishes diplomatic ties with Israel
    https://www.rt.com/news/497968-palestine-recalls-uae-ambassador-israel/

  364. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    then what difference does it make if explosives are placed near the surface or deep inside…such a pile of inert material?

    Look you complete idiot…

    I have tried to get through to you repeatedly without success…have you read anything I’ve said at all…?

    Do you understand the concept of pressure and temperature…?

    If you release heat energy inside a closed volume, it is different than releasing heat energy out in the atmosphere…because if you release heat inside a closed volume then you increase the pressure also…

    Ammonium nitrate DOES NOT BURN…it releases energy by CHANGING PHASE…from a solid to a gas…gas has a lot lower DENSITY than a solid…which means that if you have that kind of volumetric expansion going on in a closed volume, or deep within a mountain of solid rock fertilizer…then that gas pressure will build up and eventually blow up…just like a bicycle tire can blow up…

    BUT IT IS NOT AN EXPLOSION…

    Is a tire blowing up from too much pressure an explosion…?

    They both release energy but in different ways…and the characteristics of that energy release are important…

    And you can see right from that picture that you pasted that the surrounding area wasn’t affected at all…that’s because you need a SHOCKWAVE to create damage over a wide area…because it travels farther than a simple pressure wave…

    Look, you really need to understand basic thermodynamics to understand energy release…and no one said anything about inert, idiot…an inert gas is one that does react chemically under usual circumstances…AN does react chemically to heat and undergoes a chemical reaction…but it DOES NOT COMBUST…it is not a fuel…

    Air also undergoes thermochemical reaction at very high temperatures…that doesn’t make it a fuel…

    Now please, I’m asking you to show some respect and just stop bothering me with your obtuseness…you are really plugging up this discussion with absolute nonsense because you simply do not understand basic physics…

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  365. @Patagonia Man

    ‘Further to my previous comment re: the zionist entity’s Beirut bomb blast as a warning shot to ALL Arab/Muslim nation-states, after the UAE’s capitulation today, watch as other Arab/Muslim client states fall like dominoes – they’ll all turn into the zionist entity’s allies overnite…’

    How much actual value do any of these ‘alliances’ have?

    What in Israel’s treaty with Egypt, for example, physically prevents Egypt from having another go at Israel tomorrow?

    Are you asserting that some sort of moral barrier exists on account of the treaty?

  366. @Iris

    No building has survived around the silo, no human being could have.

    But, what if the camera was made out of the same material as a certain passport in NY…?

    Even after this horrendous blast, it would still be intact, fully functioning and its unscathed nature allow you to sell it to the highest bidder on e-bay…

    /sarc

    [MORE]
    Picture and clip

    Moment bride and groom have wedding photos interrupted by Beirut blast @ https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=kdvli_1597180890

    Here’s a screenshot of the moment the windows are blown outward [I had to decrease the brightness quite a bit to make the flying glass visible, hence the washed out colors]:

  367. geokat62 says:
    @Patagonia Man

    … for all those who still believe we’re dealing with independent, sovereign nations rather than UK-US client states:

    Hey, PM. I would have gone the next step and indicated that UK-US are client states of the Jewish state.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  368. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    Fully agree. And the media keep plugging the holes in the story as they emerge.

    What? AN can’t explode? Oh well, we know by the color of the smoke that it was a Hezbollah missile manufacturing and /or storage depot.

    Really is a busy port controlled by its political rivals the ONLY place Hzb could find in all of Lebanon to keep it’s precious weapons UNGUARDED?

    Oh no, it seems someone soaked it in a few hundred tons of diesel by accident…

    and so on

    btw: the documents in the Arabic media show that the new government (the one trying to battle the old corrupt elite) was being set up.
    In July 2020, after 6 years, a letter was suddenly sent to Michel Aoun to advise him of the AN.
    Since when are heads of state advised about the storage of 2.700 tons of fertilzer shipments?

  369. anon[111] • Disclaimer says:
    @turtle

    “no evidence that anyone poured diesel fuel over the stacked bags of AN”

    Someone would have needed to pour around 162 tons of fuel oil over those bags and not just pour it but mix it it up nicely. AND add the explosive charge etc.

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  370. Sam J. says:
    @Yukon Jack

    I’m all n and believe 100% that the Jews did 9-11, that they are running a pedo blackmail operation world wide, that their central banks are looting the whole planet, that they did corona to punish China and ruin the US, why I believe most anything bad about the Jews where there’s any evidence but best as I can tell from high definition videos it looks like the facts are exactly as reported in the lying media. (Hard to believe but true)

    “…British security specialist Robert Emerson is speculating that the “…ammonium nitrate got something added to it accidentally, possibly oil or some other flammable compound…”

    There’s a huge cloud of carbon from the fireworks just before the big boom and there’s a super fast one frame super high intensity flash right before the whole thing goes up. So there’s a mass of powered carbon, gunpowder, the various parts of the warehouse smashed up and who knows what chemicals providing lots of stuff to combine with the ammonium nitrate. The super fast flash I suspect was a detonation. A fuel air type explosive. Supersonic blast that’s almost instantaneous which kicked off the fertilizer.

    The big hole in the ground is easily explained by the fact that the ground was saturated with water so that the blast was completely coupled to the ground. There was no air in the ground to cushion anything. In this case the blast would go down to a solid earth surface and blast off the rest.

    Of course this doesn’t mean the Jews didn’t kick this whole thing off on purpose and why no one picked up the ammonium nitrate for years or the government didn’t just sell this stuff off to the lowest bidder I can’t understand but it does appear that a bunch fireworks kicked this off.

  371. @Hiram of Tyre

    Diab made a colossal mistake by accepting to be a mission impossible Prime Minister without securing from the scoundrels exceptional emergency powers that would have allowed him to hire and fire and sign foreign treaties without any interference from the warlords turned politicians and ‘statesmen’.

    And yes indeed, the Lebanese were extremely complacent with their voting pattern especially in 2018 when anyone could see that the country was at the edge of the abyss. Yet, the people voted for their tormentors who, along with the financiers, have for the last thirty years pillaged the country to the point of making this once proud country a shadow of itself. It is no consolation that the phoney system of representative democracy has proven, beyond any shadow of doubt, that it is nothing more than a tool of oligarchic control which gives the people the illusion of deciding who runs the country be it in Lebanon, Europe or North America. Basically the moneyed people pay the representatives to feather their nest, the people be damned. But no matter what the Lebanese in particular or the people of the Levant in general opt for, as long as the Western Frankenstein called Israel is alive and kicking, there is no end to the dark days in this tormented part of the world. The only hope is that the Western system of governance, based on the unchecked power of central banking and the tyranny of the Bank of International Settlements, is starting to show signs of dangerous decay that heralds its imminent downfall, and that could be the beginning of the end for Israel.

    If the Lebanese grow a backbone and negotiate with China for rebuilding their infrastructure on a BOT basis, and with the Russians for arming their very poorly equipped army, coupled with a new economic policy that puts the emphasis on industry and agriculture rather than depend on a service economy, then there might be some hope for the Phoenix to rise from its ashes.

  372. @Hiram of Tyre

    I tried hard to read what this Zionist creature called Jeffrey Feltman (more like filthman) wrote, such as:

    “Preliminary information about the blasts suggests that the Lebanese are most likely culpable, not the Syrians and not the Israelis.”

    The fact of the matter is that the Brookings institute is a think tank whose history of misleading people can fill thousands of pages. This article makes me nauseous. I will try to read the article again with a glass of lemon juice to sip from.

  373. Sam J. says:
    @Quartermaster

    “…I agree with Baird’s take on the AN and the damage we see at the site. However, he’s an idiot when it comes to the twin towers. The airliners were capable of damaging the structure of the towers more than enough for the subsequent fires to weaken the steel sufficiently for the towers to collapse. The steel did not have to melt, just lower the yield stress enough for the collapse to start…”

    Total bullshit. The fires could have only weakened small sections of the steel. Since only small sections could have been weakened then the whole buildings should have never (we’re talking 1 and 2) fell exactly straight down. It would have fallen asymmetrically, meaning one side or another. And even more reason you are a fool or a liar the outside structure of the building was highly overbuilt to withstand wind loads. Wind loads are much higher than the loads to hold up the building. They were speced to withstand 2,000% of the load and you damn sure can’t tell me all the outside columns were burnt to the extent that they lost all that 2,000% overload strength. In fact none of them were except where the plane hit and the places where molten iron was pouring out of the corners. (explain that)

    “…Once the collapse began, the rest of the structure was doomed because of the unbalanced loading caused by the upper stories collapse…”

    Another lie. As I said before the load wasn’t unbalanced or, duh, it would have fallen to the side and I just explained how the outside was massively stronger than needed. Not only that the bottom of the structure was MADE to carry the top. Even if it had a jolt for falling a few floors it was made to hold up ALL the weight above it and more. And even further steel has a huge amount of yield strength where it will bend and stretch while soaking up vast amounts of energy. So even if it crushed a few floors it would have eventually stopped and the top fallen over the side. That’s why they make cars from steel. It will stretch and bend a great deal before it tears.

    If you’re a civil engineer I wouldn’t hire you to build a chicken coup.

    And even worse for your made up Hasbara story building 7 on the same day fell with NO support at all, was not hit by a plane and only had fire on 3 or 4 floors. It’s impossible for a building to fall with NO support from a few office fires. It fell with only air for support for roughly 108 feet. Can’t happen. Ever.

    Here’s a video that covers the whole mysterious situation of buildings one and two falling.

  374. Sam J. says:
    @Colin Wright

    “…If the planes aren’t going to be the agent of the destruction, why bother with them at all? Just fake a Timothy McVeigh-style truck bomb in the parking garage or whatever…”

    They already tried that and it didn’t work. By demoing after flying planes into them it made sure there was less collateral damage and made for great TV. These people see themselves as artist.

  375. Sam J. says:
    @FB

    “…Beirut international airport is 10 km away from the explosion site, yet suffered damage to the terminal buildings…”

    That’s interesting. I just got through saying so far it looks just like what we are told but…that doesn’t really add up????? I may have to change my mind.

  376. @anon

    “no evidence that anyone poured diesel fuel over the stacked bags of AN”

    Someone would have needed to pour around 162 tons of fuel oil over those bags and not just pour it but mix it it up nicely. AND add the explosive charge etc.

    Exactly. AN is the oxidizer needs 6% FO MIXED PROPERLY then it has to be detonated.
    That is a lot of ifs. A nuke bomb is not an “if”, a precision guided bomb delivered by your best highly trained pilots is a sure thing. So which would a military planner choose?

    The story of an accidental explosion is just another layer of deception to hide the nuke. According to the narrative, fireworks ignited and all that AN, still in the bags, went off. Oops, sorry, we didn’t mean that to happen while we were bombing the shit out of you. C’mon people that is bullshit.

    Note how there is a chorus of frogs singing ANFO explosion to hide the use of nuclear weapons by Israel. And Israel has (by my estimation) 2,500 nuclear warheads, see this:

    Israel’s Arsenal of Stolen W-54 Warheads
    https://centralbankinginsanity.wordpress.com/2020/08/13/israels-arsenal-of-stolen-w-54-warheads/

    All this arguing over whether the fertilizer bomb went off, or could go off is exactly like all the post 911 debate of structural collapse. It is an intentional ruse of moral cowards and disinfo shills who are hiding the real perps. Beirut was not accidentally destroyed, it was intentionally destroyed by Israel on the orders of Netanyahu. Same of the WTC complex.

    Inexperienced Muslims pilots with box cutters ramming airplanes into skyscrapers that may or may not fall down is many ifs which is why that didn’t happen. A more likely scenario of the planners who want to be sure it does happen, ram remotely guided jets into building wired to explode, the event is carefully coordinated for a major emotionally binding television “reality” show. The simplist plan that is going to 100% for sure to work is the real plan.

    Likewise the claim that the Mossad didn’t do diligence and the secondary explosion was accidental is total nonsense, that is a cover story to get Israel off the hook for the event in the first place. The singing frog apologists will simply argue this to death, just like 911, to hide the real motive and actor. 911 happened and Beirut was nuked. Believe your eyes and intuition, not the spin, not the false narrative being pounded into your brain nonstop by the mockingbird liars.

    Denial is not a river in Egypt, it is a torrent in hell. Deny it all you will, try to keep those Biblical beliefs alive in your mind. Israel is the most vile nation on earth, and the Bible God is the most vile piece of crap ever to fill the pages of a holy book. Yahweh is pure evil and so are his followers, especially the Christian followers who support demonic Israel just so they can get into heaven.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  377. in this video we see CCTV footage of people pointing to the sky as the jets attack, one man twirls his index finger in the air as the jets circle

    the second clip the man says “Oh Virgin, oh virgin. The building, explosion, atomic explosion”

    the 3rd clip the man says “So what happened now, uh… a plane attack, and then there was a second plane attacked in Beirut”

    there’s more, watch the clip yourself

    So much for the “accidental” explosion theory.

    Like I said, the MSM narrative is always false.

    • Thanks: Iris, Ann Nonny Mouse
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  378. @FB

    “Look you complete idiot…”

    LOL! You’re supposed to be looking at your monitor, not your mirror, as you type your infantile propaganda, you silly Fucking Bitch.

    “I have tried to get through to you repeatedly without success…”

    Sorry I but don’t respond well to verbose, obscurantist, utterly charlatanic bullshit such as yours.

    On the other hand I have cited peer reviewed papers which would convince any reasonable person that prilled pure ammonium nitrate can and does detonate without any added fuel/sensitizer when subject to the right conditions (with several authors reporting VoD ranging between 2.25 to over 3 km/sec for example, depending on charge diameter and confinement, as you would expect for such a non-ideal explosive).

    It has also been demonstrated that when stored in an uncontrolled environment (i.e. exposed to varying temperature and humdity) NH4NO3 can become significantly more sensitive and therefore more dangerous. (This is apparently what happened with the NH4NO3 powered air bag inflators that have apparently been killing people with shrapnel).

    https://www.abrahamwatkins.com/Firm-News/Lawsuit-Filed-In-Harris-County-For-10th-Death-Caused-By-Takata-Ammonium-Nitrate-Airbag.shtml

    https://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-takata-air-bag-death-20190329-story.html

    I have also referred you to a report of an actual historical example of a disastrous ammonium nitrate explosion where it is indisputable (among reasonable people) that a large store of ammonium nitrate detonated, causing many deaths and and massive damage to the surroundings, the features of which which were qualitatively and quantitatively similar to a TNT explosion.

    In light of all this overwhelming real-world evidence what do you do? Rather than accept the obvious conclusions you start waving your hands while superciliously screaming about “thermodynamics.”

    Apparently you need to fuck off and get back to painting swastikas on your front door, goofball.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @FB
    , @Turk 152
  379. @Yukon Jack

    So much for the “accidental” explosion theory.

    It is to avoid WWIII at this time! The appropriate time of exposing the truth and retribution will come soon too!

    Mohamed

  380. A123 says:
    @Harold Smith

    Harold,

    I recommend adding FB The Militarily Ignorant TROLL to your blocked commenters list.

    This is the person that insists that Tomahawk cruise missiles cannot damage air defense installations (such as billboard radars). The warheads will just bounce off or something like that.

    FB The Militarily Ignorant TROLL is abusive and 100% detached from reality.

    You can only help those who want to help themselves. And, he does not want help.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  381. FB says: • Website
    @Harold Smith

    I have cited peer reviewed papers…

    And my cat Mitzy is currently enjoying an audio book on rocket propulsion…

    I am quite certain that she will soon understand a lot more about rocket propulsion than a congenitally retarded oaf like yourself will ever understand about anything related to science…

    Apparently you need to fuck off and get back to painting swastikas on your front door, goofball.

  382. Turk 152 says:
    @Harold Smith

    As I bystander, FB and turtle come across as brilliant technicians deep in decades-long, very difficult expert science careers; everyone else trying to hold a somewhat plausible argument appear to be science undergrads who like to skim the internet to support their pre-existing political viewpoints for self-validation.

    A123 has digressed from a menacing interloper into the character in intense dramas to provide relief. Switching the reigns to his colleague and FBs response to it was freakin hilarious, I cant stop laughing days later.

    • LOL: A123
  383. Polemos says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Thank you for the links, the videos, and your interpretations and opinions. I appreciate you want to engage in a conversation with me and others, and I also appreciate that you express yourself with the convictions of your principles.

    Allow me to respond to a few things. Please, take your time.

    One, the Davy Crockett test video you link and Davy-Crockett-Nuclear-Rifle-Test-Fire.png do not display the shock wave (or pressure wave? I admit, I have not been following closely the specific definitions endorsed by either of A123, FB, or the others [maybe even turtle?] regarding what to call the sudden expanding condensation of water vapor [is that what it is we see?] moving outwards from the Beirut blast) that is one of the characteristics you cite as indicative of a nuclear blast. In the video you linked, I go to ?t=226 (or 3:46 into the video) and watch as the flash and rising cloud occur. I do not see the white expanding cloud—I think they call that a Wilson cloud, right? What is your take on what makes the white expanding cloud occur, and why is it not here in the Davy Crockett video you link here but is in the Beirut blast?

    Why is the rising smoke cloud in the Davy Crockett video not red but the smoke cloud (the one rising up just after the blast) in Beirut is red? What causes that, do you think?

    That is, aren’t you claiming that the Israelis got the W54s, all 2100 of them, and it is one of these bombs that we are seeing in Beirut? And yet, if it is a W54 being demonstrated in the Davy Crockett test, then why are these blasts different from one another? Or is it that the Beirut blast is a different kind of nuclear device detonating, but the fact that Israel got all 2100 of the W54s and, as you say, is willing to use them supports viewing the Beirut blast as a nuclear blast even if it’s not a W54 but some other, newer nuclear device?

    [MORE]

    I went looking to see if there are other videos of W54s or comparable devices exploding. Here is the kind of video I am asking for people to provide as demonstration that what is seen in Beirut is a nuclear blast. Apparently, this is a W47, not a W54. However, it is in the range you stated: 4.9 kt, with your estimation of range being 3–10 kt.

    As you can see, this is Operation Hardtack II, Sanford. I am an ignorant man, but I have the suspicion that the tiny but consistent anomaly in the film just after the blast at ?t=8 (8 seconds) are excited rays (I do not know what sort, because I am ignorant) interacting with the film itself. The blast sphere seems to emanate from that same point and the firey cloud rises from that point, so it appears to me. Do modern smartphones or digital cameras compensate for these kinds of excited rays? Will they appear in some way in a digital video?

    I found a different angle on the same test. It also shows that anomaly, along with a very brief example of the condensation cloud (not the high ring, but the middle ring), among other aspects.

    Amazing videos. Not all of the test videos put up by Lawrence Livermore show that anomaly, but one thing I do notice about all of the videos they’ve put up (lots of them!) of nuclear blasts I can find within the range you say is the Beirut blast (3 – 10 kt, right?) is that the blasts are very bright (requiring some filter or shielding in order to record the scene) and the resulting rising cloud appears to continue burning as it rises. Maybe, though, this is just an effect of the air burst scenario? Either way, does the rising cloud in the Beirut blast continue burning? You can see in the second video that the burn in the cloud is bright enough to pass through whatever filter’s being used to record. Does the Beirut blast look especially bright, blindingly so?

    Here’s a video of a MOAB!

    How would you distinguish the rising smoke cloud in this blast, that we are told is non-nuclear, from a nuclear blast’s rising smoke cloud? Do you think this one is less mushroom-shaped, or is there a specific characteristic that you see that distinguishes this one as non-nuclear?

    The following blast is not actually a “MOAB” but an ammunition depot exploding from a Saudi airstrike; the uploader explicitly states (in the video description on YouTube that you’d have to click through in order to read) his intention is to mislead (troll?) for comments from people who clearly do not look into things any deeper.

    Here is a page that shows a video from a different angle of this blast, along with its embedded video:

    https://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/ammunition-depot-explodes-in-yemen/4273106096001

    Would you say these are nuclear explosions if no one had told you they weren’t? Does the cloud look like a mushroom cloud?

    Two, you mention that there’s a radiation spike according to VT. You can scroll above to my earlier response to Tommy Thompson, who told me to do my own research and so I did. Here’s the link, though, if you don’t want to scroll:
    https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/horror-in-beirut/#comment-4094622

    I can summarize for you.
    One: what is the monitoring station in Sicily actually recording? Is it excited rays from the blast itself? Is it radioactive fallout/isotopes? What do you think is the mechanism of action here?
    Two: Why aren’t the closer monitoring stations also reporting alerts or warnings? One of them is in Israel, but isn’t in alert. Why is that?
    Three: Why isn’t the time for the spike in Sicily matching the time for the blast? Do you think the times match? Did you look closer?
    Four: is radmon.org actually a IAEA reporting site?

    Do you want to know something else that’s interesting?

    I earlier posted the link to the claim made about the radiation spike. It occurs on a page “Breaking: Israel nukes Beirut.” You can see the link in my earlier comment I just linked to. Copy and paste that link into your browser.

    Where did it go?

    It’s gone!

    You can wayback the page (https://web.archive.org/web/20200811100056/https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/10/breaking-israel-nukes-beirut/), and you can see that although their earlier reporting contained a screenshot (of what looks to be a Twitter page!) of radmon.org, their current reporting no longer references the radmon.org image!

    You tell me: doesn’t this look as though it’s the later iteration of the earlier page?

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/09/breathtaking-case-closed-infrared-video-reveals-details-of-israeli-nuclear-missile/

    Where did the radmon.org image go?

    Well, it looks to be buried here!
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/07/did-the-missile-fertilizer-fireworks-explosion-miss-the-warehouse-new-impact-photos/

    An interesting observation, too, about that page. The “missile” in the top two photos is flying in at the same angle as the “infrared” images (which Duff says you cannot fake) in the “Breathtaking case closed” page.

    It’s as though someone just copied and pasted a missile onto the image. But let me ask you this, if the missile really is going into the ground (zoom in, and notice the missile is missing its nose!), how big is that missile? What is the scale here? Even at an angle, the missile looks to be as tall as the grain silos!

    Or, is it not supposed to be the missile at all? What is it supposed to be, do you think?

    Even so, I do notice that Wayback doesn’t have the earlier comments inserted by Duff that I blockquoted in an earlier comment (https://www.unz.com/audio/kbarrett_gordon-duff-says-israel-nuked-beirut/#comment-4092142). I’ll quote it again, here:

    Censorship of the video by YouTube is taken as evidence, not that the video is genuine, of course it is, you can’t fake infrared, but that Israel is terrified for the first time in a very long time.

    Tell me, do you remember reading that when you first saw that VT broke the news about the radiation spike, the infrared images of the missile, the YouTube conspiracy to remove and ban the video? I do. I quoted it. It’s now gone. Not even on the site any longer.

    Don’t you get it now? Don’t you feel the keys in the piano of your mind being played?

    Even if Israel nuked Beirut, you will not have evidence for that from VT. VT is lying. I hope you see that now. It’s a scam. Don’t fall for scams. You clearly do not fall for the mainstream media scam. Why lose your incredulous and skeptical nature just because, in this case, VT is telling you something you want to believe?

    All of that said, I do agree with Jim Stone that Israel nuked Fukushima.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  384. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    This is the person that insists that Tomahawk cruise missiles cannot damage air defense installations (such as billboard radars). The warheads will just bounce off or something like that.

    Look idiot…a Tomahawk missile cannot even hit a ship, much less a mobile air defense radar…look it up, plenty of information out there…Raytheon has been saying for years now that they will put a radar seeker on the T-Hawk so it can hit ships…called the maritime strike version…

    I’ve explained this before, but a Tomahawk is designed to hit a STATIONARY target whose PRECISE coordinates are known in advance…a mobile air defense system like the S300/400 is designed with these new things called WHEELS…maybe you’ve heard of them…?

    Even against fixed targets, obtaining the precise coordinates in advance is a considerable technical challenge…satellite mapping systems aren’t accurate enough [for a variety of technical reasons that are a much deeper subject], which is why the US engages in espionage in China, for instance, to locate military targets precisely…see Larry Romanoff’s article up now on this website how they were using Coca Cola delivery trucks in China to locate military installations…

    Tomahawks have NEVER in their 40 year history been used against air defense systems…with the possible exception of the 1996 bombing of Iraq, which media reports state included ‘cruise’ missiles against Iraqi air defenses, which would have been fixed, and which precise locations would have been well known in advance since the US was in control of Iraqi airspace since 1991 and had established a no fly zone…

    Even so, there is very little verifiable information about those strikes and what, if any, military targets they may have hit…

    I have explained to your lying ass already that there is a SPECIFIC kind of missile that is used against air defense systems, which is called an anti-radiation missile, equipped with a seeker that homes in on radio emissions from enemy radars…that’s is the AGM88 HARM, which is carried by attack aircraft like F16s and others…

    But these only have a range of less than 100 miles, so it would be difficult to use against long range Russian air defenses with much longer range than that, since the aircraft would have to get within the air defense missile range BEFORE launching the HARM…

    Even against much older and less capable air defense equipment like that used by the Serbs in 1999, the HARM missiles showed very low effectiveness…

    NATO expended a total of 743 AGM-88 HARM anti-radiation missile rounds, launched by EA-6B Prowlers, F-16CJ Weasels and Tornado ECRs. Only three SA6 were confirmed killed.

    Now if a complete retard like you has a better idea on which missiles to use and how to use them against air defenses, maybe you could do us all a big favor and let us now…?

    • Replies: @Jazman
  385. Polemos says:

    Well, like I said, I am an ignorant man, so the embedded links I thought worked (from previewing) did not go through when posted. Here are the links to the videos, and you can insert them where they feel appropriate to the point being made.

    Operation Hardtack II, Sanford

    Different angle:

    MOAB:

    Saudi air strike on Houthi Ammo Depot:

  386. @FB

    Hey, FB. Thanks for your helpful posts on the topic of AN’s explosiveness or lack thereof. I admit that not only do I have no expertise on the matter, but also that my technical knowledge outside of statistics is pretty low.

    That said, I think it can be said after reviewing the material you provided that AN is stable; not a fuel, but an oxidizer; can “decompose violently” in the presence of heat, but requires either a direct detonation in the mass or needs to be confined to a “highly confined” space in order to build up the required pressure to “explode.”

    Whatever the quantity of AN in hangar #12, it was not a highly confined space as the images purporting to show the AN sacks in hangar #12 indicate.

    Now, I reviewed the Scientific American link you provided and it says:

    At high enough temperatures, however, ammonium nitrate can violently decompose on its own. This process creates gases including nitrogen oxides and water vapour. It is this rapid release of gases that causes an explosion.

    An ammonium nitrate explosion produces massive amounts of nitrogen oxides. Nitrogen dioxide (NO₂) is a red, bad-smelling gas.

    So, first thing is that right after The Blast we see a large plume of reddish smoke that seems to confirm the presence of AN in the hangar. But, from my reading of the article, it seems that nitrogen oxides, and thus some reddish gas, would be apparent prior to The Blast if there was a substantial decomposition of the AN in the presence of the fire. However, in the footage I have watched, there is no indication of reddish smoke prior to The Blast, even after the fire becomes more violent with fireworks of some kind popping off. I think the video that “Kapyong” posted in comment #158 shows this lack of red gas well.

    So, it seems we are being asked to accept that the AN in the warehouse suddenly exploded with no external (to the hangar) detonation source. But if that were true, wouldn’t we have seen some kind of reddishness in the smoke prior to The Blast? If the official story were true, wouldn’t we see a more gradual decomposition of the AN induced by fire and thus reddish smoke for an extended period as opposed to a sudden mega Blast?

    Is this a logical path of inquiry or am I missing something in your opinion?

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  387. @Mario Partisan

    At high enough temperatures, however, ammonium nitrate can violently decompose on its own. This process creates gases including nitrogen oxides and water vapour. It is this rapid release of gases that causes an explosion.

    Is this a slow process over periods of times? Or, a sudden thingy?

    Because over periods of times, I wonder there might be some very strong and foul smell.

    Me think, it is a false flag which will be pinned on Israel, so the world will embargo Israel and put it under sanctions to remove its’ WMD. Israel days are numbered!

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  388. Jazman says:
    @FB

    This Anus guy is crazy I personally witnessed when Serbian army installed fake bridge and artificial hill from huge dumping trucks and that environment change mapping , couple T-hawks ended up nowhere just with that small change . They probably improved a lot after 20+ years but still hitting mobile AD is dreaming . He can join special group of people on Quora Kurt Tecsh ,Abirup Senguptha and other idiots

    • Agree: FB
  389. @FB

    “And my cat Mitzy is currently enjoying an audio book on rocket propulsion…

    I am quite certain that she will soon understand a lot more about rocket propulsion than a congenitally retarded oaf like yourself will ever understand about anything related to science…”

    Please define “science.”

    BTW being called “retarded” by a consummate moron such as yourself who claims that pure ammonium nitrate cannot possibly explode (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary) is a great compliment. Thanks, chump.

  390. https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6084359.html

    Web site is in Russian, the 3 vids speak for themselves.

  391. FB says: • Website

    I think it can be said after reviewing the material you provided that AN is stable; not a fuel, but an oxidizer; can “decompose violently” in the presence of heat, but requires either a direct detonation in the mass or needs to be confined to a “highly confined” space in order to build up the required pressure to “explode.”

    Yes, that is a good summary of the important basic points…a lot of the media now point to previous disasters, but important details about the circumstances are very different…for instance there is the Texas City disaster of 1947 involving a ship with about 2,000 tons of ammonium nitrate inside its hold…

    That is a big difference, because the ship’s steel hull and deck is going to act like a pressure container that does not allow those gases to simply vent out, as the AN explosively decomposes…also that AN in that disaster was mixed with petroleum products, fuel…

    It was manufactured in a patented process, mixed with clay, petrolatum, rosin and paraffin wax to avoid moisture caking.

    So it was basically a readymade bomb…Petrolatum is used in plastic explosives for instance…

    In the Oppau disaster in Germany in 1921, the substance was in a 20 meter high silo…another pressure vessel…plus they then stuck dynamite into it, in order to break it up because it had turned rock hard…

    So as I have been trying to explain to certain retarded folks here, it is important to understand these physical processes…ammonium nitrate was used in car air bags for that very reason…the instant release of a huge VOLUME of gas if heated up to a certain temperature…if this is confined in a CLOSED space where those gases can’t escape, then the result is a huge increase in PRESSURE…which, in turn, causes even more of the material to start reacting and this is called thermal runaway in chemical engineering…

    But a thermal runaway CANNOT happen under just any conditions…in the case of AN it absolutely requires a closed space that can hold PRESSURE…

    So a lot depends about the PRECISE circumstances…in the Oppau explosion, the AN was mixed about 50/50 with ammonium sulfate…

    …in mixtures containing 50% nitrate, any explosion of the mixture is confined to a small volume around the initiating charge, [dynamite] but increasing the proportion of nitrate to 55–60% greatly increases the explosive properties and creates a mixture whose detonation is sufficiently powerful to initiate detonation in a surrounding mixture of a lower nitrate concentration which would normally be considered minimally explosive.

    Changes in humidity, density, particle size in the mixture and homogeneity of crystal structure also affect the explosive properties.[4][2]

    So details are important in science…and it is not something that is cut and dry, as some people who have no idea how chemistry and thermodynamics actually works…

    Okay…so about the red smoke…yes this is a signature of NO2 gas, which is nitrous oxide…laughing gas, used by dentists as an anesthetic, and also used by car enthusiasts to squirt into the engine, along with additional fuel, in order to make more power…

    But the presence of that smoke only means that those bags of fertilizer were heated up enough to release the gas…it doesn’t mean that the fertilizer blew up…

    Again, it would be very difficult for that fertilizer to even get into that thermal runaway because that requires a CLOSED space, and that warehouse is basically open to the atmosphere…as soon as pressure started increasing in there, the roof would pop off and it would be like a bonfire…nothing more…

    If you had decided to pack a whole bunch of explosives right in the middle of that pile, then it would be different…the heat and pressure from those explosions would have nowhere to go in the middle of that pile…and would start setting off neighboring bags of the stuff in a thermal runaway, until the pressure in there built to a high enough level that it would just explode like a volcano…

    But sticking explosives in the middle of that pile is very very different from simple negligence, where a fire supposedly started next door and then just set that big pile of fertilizer alight…it would NOT explode under that scenario…

    Again…this particular material is not my area of expertise, so I invite others with a better understanding to poke holes in that…assuming of course they do know anything…

    But the biggest issue in my mind is that even if someone stuck explosives in the middle of that fertilizer and caused an explosion, that explosion could NOT have made the kind of damage that we see…that is why I have brought the blast pressure calculations into it…that is an established science…

    And those blast calculations indicate UNAMBIGUOUSLY that this explosion would have to be something on the order of Hiroshima…10 to 12 kilotons of TNT, which is 10 times bigger than what the media is saying…

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    , @turtle
  392. Below is a video which claims that the ship didn’t contain AN, but rather dirt and rocks. I am no expert on these types of things.

    I believe Lebanon (Beirut) is a false flag which will be pinned on Israel. Then there will be embargo and sanctions to remove the WMD from Israel. After that Israel is history!

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
    , @FB
  393. @FB

    Thank you for your detailed post confirming my understanding about the conditions under which AN becomes “explosive.” But I was trying to get at something a couple steps downstream from this understanding.

    Okay…so about the red smoke…yes this is a signature of NO2 gas, which is nitrous oxide…laughing gas, used by dentists as an anesthetic, and also used by car enthusiasts to squirt into the engine, along with additional fuel, in order to make more power…

    But the presence of that smoke only means that those bags of fertilizer were heated up enough to release the gas…it doesn’t mean that the fertilizer blew up

    I am trying to poke a hole in the official story and I want to be able to say that while the red smoke is present following the detonation of some kind of weapon in the warehouse, there is no indication of red smoke during the fire leading up to the Big Event. That is, there is no indication of red smoke prior to The Blast, suggesting that the AN was not undergoing heat induced decomposition into nitrogen oxide prior to The Blast event, and therefore the presence of AN cannot be the explanation for The Blast or its magnitude.

    In other words, I am trying to argue that the timing of the appearance of the red smoke – after The Blast, but NOT before, merely indicates 1) the presence of AN, but 2) actually shows that the AN could not have been the cause or a significant factor in The Blast, i.e. we are dealing with some kind of powerful explosive weapon as the explanation, i.e. an attack.

    Does this seem logical to you?

    If so, I think we are coming to the same conclusion, just via slightly different reasoning paths.

    • Replies: @FB
  394. @geokat62

    Hi Geo,

    Generally speaking, Americans hate hearing this (because they’ve been brainwashed by the exceptionalism of ‘Manifest Destiny’), but there’s good reason to believe that both the US (since 1913) and the block of real estate on the Mediterranean, aka the zionist entity, are both zombie nations run by remote control from the City of London, aka ‘The City’ (only 1 sq. mile of banksters’ HQ’s).

    If you think about it, this goes back to 1215 and the signing of the Magna Carta. Its significance was that it was the 1st necessary step to remove sovereignty from the State (as embodied by a monarch) to the merchant-trading class, who’s power center (and subsequent global network infesting the politics of many nations, e.g., ex-Rothschilds’ bankster, Macron) became the City of London.

    It only took the English decades (not centuries) to realize how usury was ravaging its people. By 1290, King Edward I issued the Edict of Expulsion expelling all jews from the nation.

    Now flash forward to the English Civil War. In 1657, Cromwell allowed them back in. By 1688, William & Mary of Orange (Amsterdam was the financial power center then) were parachuted in as British heads of state. In 1694, England got its central bank, the Bank of England. The next year Scotland got hers, the Bank of Scotland. England and Scotland were already in personal union via James VI (of Scotland) and 1st (of England) becoming monarch of both kingdoms – and in 1707 the 2 nations were joined politically via The Act of Union.

    …and the rest is history!!!

    With the military might of what was now called the United Kingdom (see British Israelism for the choice of this term) and the financial power of ‘The City’ (what the columnist here on UR, The Saker, has coined “Anglo-Zionists”) have been waging war, invasion, colonization and exploitation on the peoples of this planet ever since.

    This, of course, is an anathema to all peoples of the world who seek self-determination. Why can’t we just be our own people?

    W.r.t. the USA, the Brits have reeled back in their former 13 colonies – weakening the country via incessant wars (the US has been at war for 225 of its 244 years since its War of Independence), assassinating their Presidents, e.g., Lincoln, and usurping the financial power of the country by taking control of the US money supply, the issuance of both currency and credit, i.e., loans at interest.

    So much for the ‘Land of the free and the home of the brave’!

    There’s even symbolic representations to support what I’m saying. Thinking of the obelisks referred to as ‘Cleopatra’s Needles’ – London has two of them, yet Washington only one.

    Cheers!

  395. @Larchmonter420

    Hi Larch,

    Before we believe anything, the one question, we all have to ask ourselves is : is the person making the claim in the position to know.

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  396. FB says: • Website
    @Mario Partisan

    …there is no indication of red smoke prior to The Blast, suggesting that the AN was not undergoing heat induced decomposition into nitrogen oxide prior to The Blast event…

    Yeah, that would seem to make sense…

    Here’s the thing…if that pile of fertilizer is exploded with explosives or a bomb, it will make all kinds of red smoke, because that is the nitrous oxide going off…if you have just fire but no red smoke that would suggest that no reaction is taking place…

    What the media are saying is simply their confirmation bias at work…since the fertilizer will give off red smoke either way, whether it’s blasted with a bomb, or whether it’s somehow made to go off on its chemical decomposition [which would also require tampering and quite a bit of effort]…

    But either way IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER…

    The fact is that even if there was twice that amount of fertilizer, PLUS it had been carefully mixed with just the right amount of fuel…it still would NOT have made an explosion that can break glass 10 km away and knock down walls five km away…

    The key thing here is the DISTANCE…any decent size of bomb blast will cause pretty much the same kind of devastation UP CLOSE…but when you get two or three or five km away then that is a whole different ballgame…

    Think distance…and think what kind of energy release it takes to travel that far…like I said this is well established and pretty exact science…and you will notice that the media is not saying anything about that aspect of it, although it’s pretty easy to find information on previous large explosions…

    I have already mentioned that the Oppau explosion did not go very far…

    That’s only 250 meters for the outer circle…that is simply orders of magnitude less than what happened in Beirut…

  397. @Patagonia Man

    Just so we’re clear,

    I’m not saying it wasn’t an attack – it was.

    I’m not saying it wasn’t a device – it was.

    I’m just saying it wasn’t necessarily a nuclear device.

    Cheers!

  398. A123 says:

    In other words, I am trying to argue that the timing of the appearance of the red smoke – after The Blast, but NOT before, merely indicates 1) the presence of AN, but 2) actually shows that the AN could not have been the cause or a significant factor in The Blast, i.e. we are dealing with some kind of powerful explosive weapon as the explanation, i.e. an attack.

    If you can avoid name calling…

    Three issues/topics:

    -1- The size of the blast. What weapon could generate the observed blast size without leaving obvious nuclear fallout?

    A MOAB would have to be delivered by a slow mover, bomber or large cargo plane, which would have been easily observed. Nothing smaller would do. There is no evidence of a slow, low, very large plane.

    Are you postulating a pre-positioned weapon? How would a gigantic weapon be reliably delivered into a warehouse protected 24/7 by al’Hezbollah troops? Mossad hates failure, so it would have to be a 99%+ success plan.
    _____

    -2- What else was in the warehouse?

    Based on the video evidence it is likely that there were small arms ammo, large munitions/fireworks, and the 3,000,000 kg of NH4-NO3. That still leaves a large amount of floor space for materials that could burn red or other colored smoke.
    _____

    -3- In the most likely case — The fire started in Warehouse #7, then slowly engulfed Warehouse #12. This allows time to gradually heat the NH4-NO3 to the consistency of a large, highly viscous taffy bar. It is highly plausible that:

    — The inner core provided the detonation.
    — The cooler less compressed outer layer generated the red smoke.
    ______

    In many ways #2 is the largest problem for any serious reverse engineering of the phenomenon. The blast is not exactly identical to prior 100% NH4-NO3 incidents. However, we can be absolutely sure that the event was not 100% NH4-NO3.

    Without knowing what other materials were present, detailing those exact differences would be excruciatingly difficult or impossible.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @FB
  399. @Tommy Thompson

    Tommy, I found that VT link and other posts by Gordon Duff there totally, mountains of evidence, videos of flying missile there, recorded radiation spike, not ammonium nitrate there only rocks and dirt, etc., TOTALLY convincing. I was totally convinced that Israel had nuked Beirut port.

    And I was finding it very strange that everyone ignored it or brushed it aside, including even Hezbollah, which is waiting for official inquiry.

    But then I looked up Veterans Today on Wikipedia where their first words are:

    Veterans Today is a pro-Kremlin, antisemitic conspiracy theory and fake news website.

    So, who should I believe, VT or Wikipedia?

    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
    , @Polemos
  400. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    Are you postulating a pre-positioned weapon? How would a gigantic weapon be reliably delivered into a warehouse protected 24/7 by al’Hezbollah troops?

    Mossad hates failure, so it would have to be a 99%+ success plan.

    Finally you said something halfway reasonable…proving that even a complete dreamer cannot ignore some of the stark realities of this blast that have been brought to light by myself and others here…

    The half that is reasonable is the idea of a pre-planted weapon…the rest is nonsense…

    Starting with Hezbolla guarding that warehouse…why would they ‘guard’ a bunch of fertilizer that nobody even cared about for seven whole years…?

    As for Mossad, they have shown many many times their capability to pull off quite audacious escapades…and in a lot of places that are a lot less friendly…

    Israel has some very staunch allies at the highest levels of the Hariri faction in Lebanon…a country that is completely corrupt and where all kinds of very large things get swept under the rug…

    Lebanon is still quite territorial…there are many parts of Beirut that are no-go zones for Hezbolla, and that may well include certain sectors of that port and various warehouses…

    • Replies: @Jazman
  401. @Polemos

    One, the Davy Crockett test video you link and Davy-Crockett-Nuclear-Rifle-Test-Fire.png do not display the shock wave (or pressure wave? I admit, I have not been following closely the specific definitions endorsed by either of A123, FB, or the others [maybe even turtle?] regarding what to call the sudden expanding condensation of water vapor [is that what it is we see?] moving outwards from the Beirut blast) that is one of the characteristics you cite as indicative of a nuclear blast.

    My first educated guess, the white vapor cloud is formed by the blast shock wave – moving through high humidity atmosphere – as it disappears immediately and it only travels so far from the blast epicenter. The Davy Crockett test was done at high altitude very dry desert – thus low humidity – thus no vapor condensate. Lebanon near the coast = low altitude, high humidity.

    Why is the rising smoke cloud in the Davy Crockett video not red but the smoke cloud (the one rising up just after the blast) in Beirut is red? What causes that, do you think?

    That is probably due to whatever got vaporized, Davy Crockett test was an airburst (see videos that describe the bomb settings) while the Beirut blast was either a submarine torpedo or underground explosion – as it left a crater. A nuclear airburst does NOT leave a crater unless, of course, it was very close the ground. Hiroshima and Nagasaki no craters as both were airbursts as the war planners were trying to maximize damage to structures. If you set off dynamite on the ground most the energy goes the path of least resistance into atmosphere. As I have dug stumps out with such – dynamite on the stump does nothing, you have to get it under then it blow the whole damn thing clean out.

    You need to talk to a nuke expert or chemist to figure out why the cloud was so red and brown- could be whatever was vaporized that was in the shed, plus all the rock in the crater, plus the ground water, all of that combined in one big heated mess.

    a W54 being demonstrated in the Davy Crockett test, then why are these blasts different from one another? Or is it that the Beirut blast is a different kind of nuclear device detonating, but the fact that Israel got all 2100 of the W54s and, as you say, is willing to use them supports viewing the Beirut blast as a nuclear blast even if it’s not a W54 but some other, newer nuclear device?

    The W-54, like most modern nukes is dial a yield. I believe it had settings. The Israelis would for sure take the core out and make as many micro nukes as they could, for the obvious reason they could get more bang for the buck.

    According to Wikipedia:

    The W54 was one of the smallest nuclear warheads deployed by the United States. It was a very compact implosion-type nuclear weapon design, designed for tactical use and had a very low yield for a nuclear weapon, in the range of 10 to 1,000 tons TNT equivalent.

    Also a B-2 could have dropped a Moab from high altitude

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Iris
  402. FB says: • Website
    @Larchmonter420

    Thanks for that Gordon Duff video…

    Of note, Duff says that a nuclear physicist who worked at DEA designing nuclear weapons gave him a briefing on Beirut and told him that the observed damage would require a weapon of 6 kilotons…

    And…that a slurry of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil, premixed, would require 12,000 tons…FOUR times as much as was in that warehouse…

    This is the key point that I made here in in numerous posts…and which the media refuse to talk about…

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
    • Replies: @turtle
  403. @Larchmonter420

    What you state is the stuff of dreams that anyone in the Middle East who is experienced with Israel would engage in. Israel’s days may be numbered but not the way you state it.

    This is not an entrapment for Israel nor a Sicilian message to Lebanon, Hezbollah, the China sponsored Belt and Road Initiative, Iran, Russia, Syria and the axes of resistance. This is a plain declaration of war that is meant to put any challenge to the Western Empire’s dominance in the ME to rest. How the message will be received by the emerging Asian alliance that considers the Levant as an integral and very essential part of its plan for an ascending Asia, will decide wether the world will adopt a policy of cooperation or slip into a major confrontation that will make of the two great world wars a footnote of history.

    If the West loses this confrontation, Israel will have to adapt or die.

    • Agree: Robjil
    • Thanks: Iris, FB
    • Replies: @Larchmonter420
  404. @Patagonia Man

    It only took the English decades (not centuries) to realize how usury was ravaging its people. By 1290, King Edward I issued the Edict of Expulsion expelling all jews from the nation.

    Salam brother,

    The Prophet (saws) in his lifetime expelled all the Jews from Arabia. The Byzantine Empire had already expelled Jews from Palestine. Shortly after the demise of the Prophet the second Caliph Omar on his close adviser (ex-Jew) recommendation allowed Jews to return back to Palestine, contrary to the Prophet’s actions. Omar is praised for this deed by the majority Muslims. The Shia don’t believe in Caliphs and reject Omar as a Caliph!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  405. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    And I was finding it very strange that everyone ignored it or brushed it aside, including even Hezbollah, which is waiting for official inquiry.

    Salam brother,

    Hezbollah don’t act on impulse, they act on facts and truth once revealed. They don’t want to start WWIII based on impulses!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  406. What you state is the stuff of dreams that anyone in the Middle East who is experienced with Israel would engage in. Israel’s days may be numbered but not the way you state it.

    Salam brother,

    I have never been so cleared eyed about this. Israel assassinated President Kennedy, when he wanted to put Israel’s Nukes under UN inspection and these Nukes are the biggest danger to the World. Since the killing of Prince of Peace Jesus both Christianity and Judaism have been on each other’s throat.

    Jews destroyed Christianity in Russia, and now they are at it in USA and EU. In the last 100 years almost due to Judaism 200 million Christians have perished. Almost 10 million Christians were starved to death under holodomor in Ukraine. USA fought two worlds wars, allied with heathen Stalin against good Christians in Germany. I don’t know if you are from USA or EU. If USA, you think the Presidents, their Cabinets, Senators, Congressman, Congresswoman, Military brass, Christians are all sell out to Judaism.

    The future is bright for all of us, who want to be part of it. However, those who are bent on expansion and no peace, the future is bleak for them! First thing is to be done is to eliminate its’ weapons of mass destruction. Beirut port destruction will help tremendously in this, with the country being responsible will be under embargo by the world for a long, long time!

    I have been on this site for a very long time, under multiple handles. When I first joined, I made the claim that USA, Russia, China, KSA, Iran, Syria so forth are in cahoots to rid Israel for the benefit of all mankind. I first said this on Saker’s site, when Russia without firing a shot took over Crimea, basically I said that Obama gave Crimea to Putin on a Silver Platter. Everyone, thought being a foreigner I don’t know the meaning of cahoots. When I first appeared on this site, everyone was shocked that how can I be a Shia and believe as such. So, everyone tried to run me off including Ron Unz.

    Netanyahu knows he is in pickle, but being haughty and arrogant he cannot sallow that he has been chumped. He is very, very desperate and very, very dangerous at this stage. Netanyahu knows he is in pickle, but being haughty and arrogant he cannot sallow that he has been chumped. He is very, very desperate and very, very dangerous at this stage. Some have suggested UAE are scared of Israel with impunity. They are wrong. See my following two comments:

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-us-israel-and-beirutshima/#comment-4095872

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-us-israel-and-beirutshima/#comment-4098406

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  407. @Joe Levantine

    What you state is the stuff of dreams that anyone in the Middle East who is experienced with Israel would engage in. Israel’s days may be numbered but not the way you state it.

    Please see my post number 411 in response to your above comment!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  408. Polemos says:
    @Yukon Jack

    Thank you for your answers to those questions.

    I look forward to your responses to the other matters.

  409. Polemos says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I have reasons for someone to not trust the information VT released about the Beirut Blast, and I have already posted a few comments here and at Kevin Barrett’s column where he interviewed Duff. I am one of those who didn’t brush it aside, but I am wondering, given you state you are “TOTALLY” convinced, what you think about the problems with, say, just one portion of the evidence presented: the radiation spike.

    You can read my initial comments above, at this link: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/horror-in-beirut/#comment-4094622

    You can read my later observations, at this link: https://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/horror-in-beirut/#comment-4098809
    Here you’ll have to expand the comment, scroll down to Two, and start from there.

    There are significant issues with VT’s claim about receiving information from IAEA and using a Twitter image of the radmon.org site. These issues are easily detected by simply going to radmon.org yourself and reading the conversation on that site about that particular monitor, as well as noticing that radmon.org is not an IAEA site, nor are the monitoring stations set up or maintained by IAEA staff. You can also zoom in closer to the “spike” image and notice that details in that image do not match details about the blast: for example, what time was the spike in the image and what time was the blast?

    Perhaps you can address those issues or find that they challenge what had felt like totally convincing demonstration? Or, not. You do not have to take Wikipedia’s word (for anything) and do your own inspection. I showed my work in how I came to my conclusion that VT on this issue is demonstrably lying to or deceiving or misleading its audience.

    [MORE]

    I did notice that I was wrong about one point. Duff’s comment that infrared can’t be faked is still on the site, actually, on the 08/09 article “Breathtaking: Case Closed, Infrared Video Reveals Details.” It was, though, removed from the wayback version of the original article [the wayback version being a later version of the one I originally saw prior to 08/11] then spliced into a different article just as the radmon.org image was scrubbed from that article and moved into a separate one from the main article VT is using to disseminate its information. Isn’t it curious how VT is editing, altering, and deleting its material, without clearly and unambiguously showing or stating these edits or corrections or alterations?

    Still, the issues with the actual size of the missile—it is either very small or extremely large in comparison to other objects in the images—these still remain. For instance, it’s unclear how the giant missile in the “Set II” images (so, not the inverse color jpgs with the inverse silhouette of a man apparently looking through binoculars but the further shot where the smoke angles left and the silos are immediately to the right of the blast area) from further away is the same missile in the “Set I” images (the inverse color man silhouette), or how the giant missile from Set II could be the claimed “Israeli Delilah missile carrying 6 kiloton (6000 tons of TNT equivalent) nuclear missile” circled in red in ScreenHunter-443-1.jpg or ScreenHunter-442.jpg images. That is,

    VT is unambiguously claiming this missile:
    is this missile:
    Do you think that’s possible?

    Notice also that they’ve taken a full color image and inverted its color to produce an “infrared” image, but now they’ve buried these original color images onto a separate page. I suspect, just as they had deleted the original article I had linked, they will probably delete these full color images with the giant missile photoshop, leaving only the “infrared” images behind.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  410. turtle says:
    @A123

    The fact that the grain silos are still upright show that this was a massive pressure wave phenomena. The concrete itself was not shattered by a shock wave. And, due to good design and construction there were a limited number of weak points for pressure waves to pull chunks out.

  411. turtle says:
    @FB

    Of note, Duff says that a nuclear physicist who worked at DEA designing nuclear weapons gave him a briefing on Beirut and told him

    This is what is known as hearsay, twice removed in this case.

    DEA? Drug Enforcement Administration?

    In the United States , there are two government laboratories which design nuclear weapons.
    The original, and more famous, laboratory is Los Alamos:
    https://www.lanl.gov
    Perhaps less well known to the general public is Livermore:
    https://www.llnl.gov
    There is a third laboratory:
    https://www.sandia.gov
    which has offices in Albuquerque, NM and Livermore, CA
    Sandia has primary responsibility for the “non-nuclear components of nuclear weapons.”
    Sandia was spun off from Los Alamos, and was originally known as “Z Division” of Los Alamos, after Jerrold Zacharias, who was in initially in charge.

    Anyone who works at any of these three laboratories, even a janitor, must have a Q clearance.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_clearance
    Additionally, a fundamental security principle, called “need to know,”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_to_know
    is in effect. “Q” clearance does not grant blanket access to classified national security information, only what the employee needs to know in order to do his/her job.

    Slightly O.T. for this post, but not for this thread, is that anyone who claims to know what “they” are working on is either a) talking out his ass (most likely) , b) lying through his teeth, c) a Russian spy, or d) violating the terms of his employment. Possibilities “c” and “d” carry some rather harsh penalties.

    How do I know these things? Well, the information is publicly available. but as a matter of fact, I have been “Q” cleared, and did work at two of the above named facilities (Sandia and Livermore) in the distant past. For me, these were just summer jobs during my undergraduate career (I was never a permanent employee).
    .

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  412. @turtle

    This is what is known as hearsay, twice removed in this case.

    Well, well!

    Nasrallah suggests Israel behind Beirut blast, calls for retaliation. We will punish Israel not just for what happened, but for what could have happened, because by God’s mercy the explosion was less destructive than it could have been.”

    In a speech made on Friday, Hassan Nasrallah, head of the Lebanese-based terrorist organization Hezbollah, suggested Israel could be to blame for the Beirut explosion that occurred earlier this month, and called on not only Hezbollah, but all of Lebanon to retaliate if the Jewish State was found to be behind the blast.

    During his speech, he offered two explanations for how the Beirut blasts took place, one being negligence, and the second being sabotage, wherein someone could have come along and “detonated it with a small explosive,” Nasrallah said, according to a translation by Lebanon and Hezbollah analyst David A. Daoud.

    “There are several entities that could have come set a small explosive and blown up the ammonium nitrate, including Israel,” Nasrallah said.

    https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/nasrallah-suggests-israel-behind-beirut-blast-calls-for-retaliation-638717

    • Replies: @turtle
  413. turtle says:
    @FB

    red smoke…yes this is a signature of NO2 gas, which is nitrous oxide…laughing gas,

    No, that is not correct. Nitrous oxide is N2O, not NO2.
    I see in another post you also stated that decomposition of liquid AN was a “phase change,” which is also incorrect. Decomposition is a chemical reaction. A phase change is change of thermodynamic state of a material, such as solid -> liquid (melting), liquid -> gas (vaporization) , solid-> gas (sublimation), or change of crystalline structure (e.g. BCC to FCC). Solid water (a.k.a. ice) does in fact have many different possible phases as a solid.

    Totally Off Topic Digression:

    Ice-nine, a fictional solid phase of water, was used as a plot device by the noted science fiction author, Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. in his novel, “Cat’s Cradle.” Perhaps you have read it? At the time, IIRC, only eight solid phases of water were known, but an additional phase was later discovered:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_IX
    and more are now known.

    Fortunately, the real Ice_IX does not have the properties of the fictional solid phase of water invented for literary purposes by Mr. Vonnegut.[Footnote: Kurt Vonnugut’s brother, Bernard Vonnegut, was a physical chemist who earned his doctorate at M.I.T., and is famous for inventing the method of seeding clouds with silver iodide to cause precipitation. Cloud seeding is possible if the water vapor in the atmosphere is supersaturated.]

    -end digression-

    I’ll also note in passing that neither you, nor “Harold Smith,” nor your “buddy” “A123” has even mentioned that heat of combustion for any likely organic material, using AN, or anything else, as oxidizer, is likely to be of the order of 100kcal/mol, which is 1.5 orders of magnitude greater than the heat of decomposition of AN, which C&W give as 5.5 kcal/mol.

    In summary, Mr FB, I believe you are out of your depth when attempting to discuss chemistry and closely related topics. I am not an aeronautical engineer, so I have no idea if you know what you are talking about in that field.

    I will now ask you the same question I asked Mr A123.

    What is your formal educational qualification?
    Are you a degreed aeronautical engineer?
    Something else?

    Or do you also have “tail risk?”
    (I thought “tail risk” was the chance Bill Clinton was taking when he was fooling around with that chubby Jewish girl, back in the 1990s. But, what do I know).

    Caveat and disclaimer to all here:
    If, perchance, I have got an actual physical fact wrong, please feel free to correct me. I will not take offense, and will thank you for your correction.
    If what I have said conflicts with your personal opinion, feel free to express that also, but please refrain from ad hominem response, which serves no useful purpose.

    • Replies: @FB
  414. turtle says:
    @Larchmonter420

    Yep, there are many possibilities.

    • Thanks: Larchmonter420
  415. Iris says:
    @Yukon Jack

    the Beirut blast was either a submarine torpedo or underground explosion – as it left a crater.

    The size of the crater, yield and simultaneity of the second explosion seem too high to be produced by a haphazardly assembled pile of fertilizer kegs.

    The nuclear option should not be ruled out. “Clean” thermonuclear bombs, i.e. nuclear bombs without radioactive secondary fallout have been under development for the last 15 years.

    Until recently, the fusion reaction within an H/fusion bomb required to be first triggered by a mini A/fission bomb, producing the subsequent signature radioactivity in the aftermath of its explosion.

    However, a significant technical breakthrough was made in the field of nuclear fusion in 2003. The Los Alamos Sandia Laboratories, working for the US Department of Energy, were using a newly developed LTD generator and trying to simulate the X-rays emission subsequent to a nuclear detonation. They managed in the process, apparently accidentally, to create a temperature around 12 million degrees and fuse a deuterium capsule.
    By 2006, this “Z Machine” they were developing allowed them to obtain temperatures in the order of 2 billion degree Kelvin.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/11/touch-thermonuclear-bomb-fuel-z-machine-could-provide-fusion-energy-future

    This breakthrough led to the US re-defining its nuclear armament strategy; it is has become the object of a new arm race with China.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/china-will-soon-have-its-own-z-machine-test-mock-nuclear-explosions-166995

    In 2006 already, Russians had developed a machine built along the same principles, and weighing in the order of only 100 kg. That is not big, surely it would have been possible to bribe and illegally introduce a crate of the corresponding size into Warehouse 12.
    (The Beirut harbour, in the heart of Christian neighbourhood, was mostly under control of the “Lebanese Forces” militia, an organisation enemy of Hezbollah. The harbour had notoriously been used by corrupt anti-Syrian forces to supply armament to the NATO/Saudi-backed terrorists in Syria).

    Such a fusion thermonuclear bomb would be perfectly “green”, would leave no radioactivity , just a seismic signature. It would be undistinguishable from conventional explosives detonating, except for the nuclear fireball which, in Beirut, was possibly deliberately disguised and masked by the initial fire. The fireball can be seen in this Beirut video:

    Finally, the Russian reaction was very telling. Only a few days after the Beirut bombing, Russia announced a change to her military doctrine, and that any missile strike on their territory will be considered as a nuclear attack and responded to accordingly. It means that they are not going to waste time looking for absent radioactivity from “clean” nuclear weapons.

  416. Yep, there are many possibilities.

    I mentioned in my post #391 the following:

    Me think, it is a false flag which will be pinned on Israel, so the world will embargo Israel and put it under sanctions to remove its’ WMD. Israel days are numbered!

    Best regards,

    Mohamed

  417. @Iris

    Finally, the Russian reaction was very telling. Only a few days after the Beirut bombing, Russia announced a change to her military doctrine, and that any missile strike on their territory will be considered as a nuclear attack and responded to accordingly. It means that they are not going to waste time looking for absent radioactivity from “clean” nuclear weapons.

    Not true! This has been Russian’s policy for a while, before Beirut thingy!

    It simply means any missile coming towards them will be considered as a nuclear attach and will be retaliated as such! They are not going to wait to find out which kind of missile it is!

  418. A123 says:

    Turtle,

    Below, I provide a link and excerpts to a very good article by a current expert in the field. It addresses a number of the questions you asked far better than I could.
    ______

    — Can you provide a link to the source article for the silo photo?

    — Do you know if the photo is the side directly facing Warehouse #12? Or, if this is the backside?

    The silos were 50m from the 1.o-1.5 kT blast. The damage is consistent with a pressure not a shock wave:
    — The solid core of the structure is still at full height and it looks like at least 80%+ of the width is present.
    — The openings in each silo for loading, unloading, & ventilation must have allowed the pressure wave to enter each silo.

    That allowed what I am incorrectly calling the “chunking” force to break the front and top. If those are people walking on the spoiled grain, many of the chunks are 2m+ and many are 5m+ in size.

    The building structure was two rows of silos, opposite sides of the core, parallel to Warehouse #12. If the side not shown was away from the blast, it may be in better condition. The original pictures I saw seemed much better, however they were also from much further away.
    ______

    Several people thought the crater depth was related to land reclamation. I accepted that as it seemed plausible and moved on. However, I found this overhead showing reclamation projects from 1991-Current. Warehouse #12 predates these efforts. It is between the Normandy and Port Extension projects.

    Possibilities that spring to mind:

    — These piers may be a reclamation project from the 80’s or earlier… I did not see anything specific either way.
    — The massive amount of other construction over decades may have shifted water flow and undercut these original piers.
    — The author below also mentions this and suggests there may have been additional “charge” in the warehouse. I also wonder what else may have been in storage.
    .._____

    https://www.wired.com/story/tragic-physics-deadly-explosion-beirut/

    This article is written by a current expert in the field and confirms that:
    — The primary energy source for the blast was NH4-NO3
    — The event was a pressure wave, not a shock wave

    As a biomedical engineer with a doctorate in the patterns of injury and trauma that follow an explosion, scraping together information from accidental blasts is part of my daily work. The more mundane explosions are rarely this size, but the same principles of physics and chemistry apply. Science, along with a few case studies from history, let me do some preliminary calculations to puzzle out this explosion, too.

    Oxygen is the key to ammonium nitrate’s deadly habit of exploding, and given that 47 known, major, accidental ammonium nitrate explosions have occured in the last century, it is undeniably a habit.

    Shocks, because of their fascinating and complex physics, travel faster than the speed of sound, and they cause far more damage than pressure waves. Thankfully, we know this blast did not produce a shock because the speed of the water-vapor-filled white dome can be measured.
    ….
    By measuring the times at which the pressure wave reaches these landmarks on the video, we know that, as it blazed down the pier, its rampage occurred at a speed of only 312 meters per second. That’s slow for a bomb. Then by the time the audible crash and mayhem reached the formerly peaceful and picturesque outdoor bar, it had slowed to at most 289 meters per second. The pressure wave, slower than the 343 meters per second speed of sound, caused destruction, horror, confusion, shattered glass, torn-apart flat surfaces, and disorientation for onlookers as their ears were subjected to the rapid pressure fluctuations.

    In 1921, a fertilizer explosion in Oppau, Germany, carved a remarkably similar crater. At 120 meters in diameter, following the explosion of 4.1 million kilos of ammonium nitrate, the size of the Oppau crater supports the idea that the Beirut pier, which early reports said held only 2,750 metric tons—2.75 million kilograms—may have held some number of millions more kilograms of charge.

    PEACE 😇

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  419. @Larchmonter420

    “ The future is bright for all of us, who want to be part of it. However, those who are bent on expansion and no peace, the future is bleak for them! First thing is to be done is to eliminate its’ weapons of mass destruction. Beirut port destruction will help tremendously in this, with the country being responsible will be under embargo by the world for a long, long time!”

    I can clearly feel that you are a believer in a loving God and as such you display a genuine faith in the ultimate triumph of good over evil. Alas, I wish things are so rosy. The forces of evil that created Israel and the wicked game of making a financial killing out of debt creation by fomenting wars, own the Western governments lock, stock and barrel. 9/11 and the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were a terrible crimes against humanity with the perpetrators still at large enjoying their privileges and their influence. Chances are that the highly criminal act of the Beirut bombing will go unpunished for even if the case goes to an international tribunal, history has taught us that international justice is nothing more than victor justice; just review the cases of the Nuremberg trials, the case against Milosevic and the coming verdict about the Hariri assassination, and you can rest assured that International justice is a mirage.

    “ Netanyahu knows he is in pickle, but being haughty and arrogant he cannot sallow that he has been chumped”

    Netanyahu is in dire straits because he is facing Israeli justice and a war with Lebanon is his ticket to re-establish his authority when the Israeli military establishment rallies to his side. An injured wolf is a most dangerous one. Netanyahu is clearly changing the rules of engagement with respect to the ongoing confrontation with Hezbollah and the ball is in the latter’s court who might for the time being bite the bullet and bide their time and decide to eat their vengeance plate cold.

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  420. @Patagonia Man

    Hi Geo,

    Generally speaking, Americans hate hearing this (because they’ve been brainwashed by the exceptionalism of ‘Manifest Destiny’), but there’s good reason to believe that both the US (since 1913) and the block of real estate on the Mediterranean, aka the zionist entity, are both zombie nations run by remote control from the City of London, aka ‘The City’ (only 1 sq. mile of banksters’ HQ’s).

    If you think about it, this goes back to 1215 and the signing of the Magna Carta. Its significance was that it was the 1st necessary step to remove sovereignty from the State (as embodied by a monarch) to the merchant-trading class, who’s power center (and subsequent global network infesting the politics of many nations, e.g., ex-Rothschilds’ bankster, Macron) became the City of London.

    It only took the English decades (not centuries) to realize how usury was ravaging its people. By 1290, King Edward I issued the Edict of Expulsion expelling all jews from the nation.

    Now flash forward to the English Civil War. In 1657, Cromwell allowed them back in. By 1688, William & Mary of Orange (Amsterdam was the financial power center then) were parachuted in as British heads of state. In 1694, England got its central bank, the Bank of England. The next year Scotland got hers, the Bank of Scotland. England and Scotland were already in personal union via James VI (of Scotland) and 1st (of England) becoming monarch of both kingdoms – and in 1707 the 2 nations were joined politically via The Act of Union.

    …and the rest is history!!!

    With the military might of what was now called the United Kingdom (see British Israelism for the choice of this term) and the financial power of ‘The City’ (what the columnist here on UR, The Saker, has coined “Anglo-Zionists”) have been waging war, invasion, colonization and exploitation on the peoples of this planet ever since.

    This, of course, is an anathema to all peoples of the world who seek self-determination. Why can’t we just be our own people?

    W.r.t. the USA, the Brits have reeled back in their former 13 colonies – weakening the country via incessant wars (the US has been at war for 225 of its 244 years since its War of Independence), assassinating their Presidents, e.g., Lincoln, and usurping the financial power of the country by taking control of the US money supply, the issuance of both currency and credit, i.e., loans at interest.

    So much for the ‘Land of the free and the home of the brave’!

    There’s even symbolic representations to support what I’m saying. Thinking of the obelisks referred to as ‘Cleopatra’s Needles’ – London has two of them, yet Washington only one.

    Cheers!

    A most excellent post, thank you.

    The widespread argument suggesting that the Zionist State runs the US and other nations like the UK is, I think, the result of an engineered narrative benefiting them twofold: 1) virtually no one knows the culprits of the City and it remains that way, 2) helps the (fraudulent) “Jewish” cause, thus justifying/immunizing the Zionist state for the crimes it commits.

    That said, I can’t help but wonder if the Rothschild argument isn’t similar to the Israel one. I find it odd that a dynasty formed in the mid-1700s (when far older and wealthier families have existed before them) are at the top of the hierarchy. Anyone curious enough is likely to land on the Rothschild after a fifteen minute search online. Too easy. That is not to say that the Rothschild aren’t part of the cabal in question but that they have been placed as a facade to keep bigger powers hidden. It’s a common practice in the world of business to date – the bigger the power, the bigger the facade. Which begs the question, if not the Rothschild, then who?

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  421. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    In summary, Mr FB, I believe you are out of your depth when attempting to discuss chemistry and closely related topics.

    Well…I would suggest you are being rather presumptuous…

    I cautioned on several occasion that this particular material is NOT my area of expertise…

    However, you are picking some mighty small nits there, amigo…a typo about nitrous oxide N2O is rather silly…you can go and find right now all kinds of chem professionals quoted in the media who make the exact same little error…

    And the chemical decompostion of granular ammonium nitrate most certainly DOES involve a phase change…

    In fact it is the rapid release of gases by way of the phase change that causes the KINETIC energy release, by way of volumetric EXPANSION…

    The chemical decomposition that precedes the phase change is due to application of outside heating that causes the ammonium nitrate molecule to dissociate [split apart] into nitrous oxide and two water molecules…

    NH4NO3 → N2O + 2H2O

    This dissociation itself is an exothermic reaction that releases heat…but if it all ended right there, without any release of gas [phase change] there would be no kinetic energy release…

    For instance, ordinary air also undergoes a chemical reaction at very high temperatures of a couple of thousand degrees…the O2 molecule first splits into two O atoms and nitrogen likewise, but at a higher temperature…chemical thermodynamics is a very big part of very high speed flight, such as atmospheric reeentry of spacecraft…so I don’t need some random guy telling me that I don’t understand chemical reactions…

    But like I said, it is not just about the decomposition reaction itself…the phase change IS in fact important in the release of kinetic energy…

    And the bigger point that you are OBSCURING with your frivolous nitpicking is the fact that in order to create a LARGE energy release, requires that this gas release be confined in a PRESSURE VESSEL…thus increasing temperature and pressure even more and leading to a thermal runaway…which is the BASIC requirement for any kind of explosion…

    So you are not only contributing nil to the science here, but in fact detracting from the IMPORTANT points…

    Obviously you know a little about general chemistry, perhaps more than I do [at least with some materials]…but you certainly have a fairly noticeable lacuna in your own understanding…

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  422. @Pft

    Agree completely. Only would like to add that for whatever reason (and there’s very
    few of them to choose from) those “Smart rich and powerful…” always leave more
    than enough clues about clearly non-accidental nature of those events in question.
    And such clues are always in the details of this or that “accident”, “terrorist attack”,
    “natural disaster”, etc., etc., whether those details are real or made-up.
    They did it centuries ago and they do it now, observing the same rules for connections
    between related events separated by days, months, years, decades, and even centuries.
    Hard to imaging that it’s all been done just for fun. More likely out of possessing some
    sort of secret knowledge, or out of pure belief, or out of some sort of obligation, or …
    Is it important to know “why” precisely ? Of course, but even more important, at least
    for now, is to be able to see these clues.

  423. Comments from a troll:

    “looks like the declared “delilah” could be a single bird that is clearly seen flying by moments before the blast…”

    Between 0:00 and 0:01 indeed, you can see the “bird” flying like a military jet. The same bird you can hear fairly well in some videos. As well as people pointing a finger at it just before the blow.

    And the missile is hitting its target at 0:02.

    I am convinced now that there was no AN. Like there was no structure failure on 911 and no boeing hitting the Pentagon.

  424. Re: Craters

    The general formula for a crater in earth from a surface charge is

    d=0.8*W^0.333

    where

    d=diameter in meters
    and
    W= kg charge weight in TNT equivalent

    at 60% TNT equivalent the 2,750 tons of AN would leave a 94.5 meter crater in earth. This would be discounted somewhat for the concrete slab, but, if that slab was on loose fill, not so much

    Source: Explosive Shocks in Air, Kinney & Graham, 2nd Edition, page 10

  425. That formula IS for a crater in “earth”, so it would be discounted for the concrete slab, if the earth under is loose fill (probable), not so much. At 30% TNT the crater would be 75 meters (surely all of the AN did not detonate, it’s just not that sensitive).

    I posted earlier (#296) sources for the fact that AN will explode (detonate) when heated beyond 400 degrees, and no, it does not have to be confined. Explosive Shocks in Air, by Kinney and Graham list the explosive properties in Table I , page 231.

    The “mushroom cloud” is a “Wilson Cloud” (named for the man who invented the vacuum cloud chamber, you can look it up). A Wilson cloud requires a sharp drop in atmospheric pressure as happens behind a shock wave plus the right atmospheric conditions (mostly humidity near the cloud point) and can even happen behind a jet breaking the sound barrier. This phenomenon is NOT limited to nuclear explosions.

    For those who think that a nuke could be detonated without radioactive by-products being detected widely there is nothing to say except that this is what is called motivated reasoning (you can look that up, too).

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  426. turtle says:
    @A123

    — Can you provide a link to the source article for the silo photo?

    Sure.
    Photo is 1 of 7 which accompany this article by Associated Press today, 15 August.
    https://apnews.com/64b3226337874969e2cbf375c6c37fc3/gallery/6036be019f624236ae4f1a561f2bc1cc
    I linked directly to the photo rather than the article because the png is larger “by itself,” not realizing you could not link back to the AP story from the photo. Sorry about that. 🙁

    As a biomedical engineer with a doctorate in the patterns of injury and trauma

    Well, I am not sure how a biomedical engineer who specializes in injury and trauma can claim expertise in the physics and chemistry of explosions. That seems like a stretch, to me, to put it in the kindest terms imaginable.

    Not impossible, of course. This fellow, for example:
    https://www.doximity.com/pub/james-raddin-md
    started out as an aerospace engineer, AF ROTC, military brat, who worked on the rocket sled @ Alamogordo, got interested in medical aspects, went to med school @ UNM. Dr. Raddin became famous for investigating the crash which claimed the life of Dale Earnhardt.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Dale_Earnhardt
    I would credit anything Dr. Raddin has to say about rocket sleds, because I know he has been there, and has the technical background to understand their characteristics.

    Frankly, I find the “explanation” you quote from Wired magazine to be, at the very least, “dumbed down,” and “cutesyfied,” but I guess we should consider the target audience. Stating that a chemical compound has “habits” is a bit too much for me. Subjective value judgments such as “thankfully,” certainly have no place in a technical discussion.

    Photo 4 0f 7 (an aerial photo) from the AP story should answer your question as to the location of the grain silos.

    The solid core of the structure is still at full height and it looks like at least 80%+ of the width is present.

    Huh? It appears to me that about 1/2 of the cylinders have been blown away.
    Not obvious to me if there is (?) another row of silos behind those in the foreground, which are destroyed, but that may be the case.
    I am not convinced there are “people walking on the grain,” which would give an indication of scale, but there are certainly some large chunks of concrete.
    Take a look at the middle silo. You will see the hemicylinder closest to the camera is only partially destroyed (about halfway down), and there is grain in the silo below the part which was blown away. I conclude from that, that whatever force destroyed the reinforced concrete (and you can see some of the rebar hanging off the wreckage) came from outside the silos, not inside.

    Also, if the overpressure which destroyed the cylindrical silos came from inside, I would expect the damage to be (at least approximately) radially symmetric, which it certainly is not. Of course, the backside might be restrained slightly if there is a 2nd row of silos and the two rows are “Siamesed,” but I would expect, in that case, to see the back side crushed but still standing, not intact, as is apparently the result.

    No matter what material the cylinders are made of, you can always model the hollow cylinder as a cantilever beam (moment restrained at the base). Unlike steel, which is isotropic, concrete is strong in compression and weak in tension, which is why we reinforce it. The side of the cantilever which faces the applied force will be the tension face, as you know. If the cylinder is overstressed beyond its design load, I would expect failure to occur on the tension side of the neutral axis, and it appears to me that is exactly what we do see. Do we know when the silos were built? How tall they actually were?

    Given some additional information, we might be able to get some idea of what it took to trash them. I certainly do not have any familiarity with building codes in Beirut (either past or present), but someone must. Somehow I doubt anyone with that knowledge is hanging around this comment thread, or even unz.com, but, who knows? 🙂

    I am not sure how you, or the biomedical engineer who claims to be “expert” in explosion physics, reaches the conclusion the blast wave was subsonic. To me that appears to be a bald-faced, unsupported assertion, but I am open to further information and civil discussion. Mr. FB, as we know, has asserted his belief, based on calculation using a standard blast effects calculator, that the blast effects are entirely too severe for a subsonic wave (a deflagration rather than a detonation). I have no knowledge of the topic, and therefore have no opinion.

    — These piers may be a reclamation project from the 80’s or earlier… I did not see anything specific either way.

    As far as land reclamation is concerned, the properties of the reclaimed land, if that is what it is, would be entirely dependent on what material was dumped in the harbor. Sand would have far different properties from clay. What material might have been used would probably depend on what was readily available. I’ve read that the artificial islands which have been recently constructed in the Persian Gulf were made from sand, maybe with a rock base, ’cause that’s what they have there. I have no idea what type of soil might be available in the vicinity of Beirut harbor.

    You might, or might not, be wondering what gives me any cred to discuss structures in any detail, since my early education was in chemistry, primarily physical chemistry. The answer is that I changed careers and went back to school @ age 32, studied Civil and Structural engineering at CSU Fullerton. I did not actually complete a degree at CSU, due to their completely B.S. and inflexible gen ed requirements. However, I did complete essentially all the technical requirements for a BSCE, plus about 1/2 the graduate courses required for an MS, while working full time in the construction industry.

    From working as a field supervisor/project manager in petrochemical construction in the early 1990s, I wandered into detailing structural steel, and (some) process piping. I’ve been self-employed as a structural steel detailer since 1996, but am now semi-retired, which means I have idle time to hang out on places like unz.com and engage in “dorm room b.s. sessions” with other old farts (and perhaps some younger ones). Everyone needs some kind of amusement. :):)

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  427. turtle says:
    @A123

    I also wonder what else may have been in storage.

    Yeah, me too.
    .

  428. turtle says:
    @FB

    NH4NO3 → N2O + 2H2O

    This dissociation itself is an exothermic reaction that releases heat

    Yes, all of 5.5 kcal/mol, or about the same as an O-H-O hydrogen bond.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_bond
    By comparison, combustion of hydrocarbons yields a heat of combustion of ~ 100 kcal/mol

    I posted this upthread, with an indication that AN is liquid, and the reaction products are gases. There is no need to quote it back to me.

    I know what a pressure vessel is. you don’t need to shout.

    so I don’t need some random guy telling me that I don’t understand chemical reactions…

    As far as I am concerned, you are “some random guy.”
    Who are you really?
    Your website certainly gives no clue.

    I have put my cards on the table, stating my own scientific and engineering background.
    I have asked that you do the same, in order that I, and others here, may know what we may assume when conversing with you, assuming you, O exalted one , will deign to speak to any of us. So far, you have ignored that (to me very reasonable) request, while denigrating another poster for declining to reveal his alma mater. To me, that makes you a hypocrite.

    Who, or what, are you hiding from?
    Your own inadequacies, perhaps?

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  429. FB says: • Website
    @another fred

    I posted earlier (#296) sources for the fact that AN will explode (detonate) when heated beyond 400 degrees, and no, it does not have to be confined.

    No, I believe that is incorrect…

    [Ammonium nitrate] decomposes around 230 C at 760 mmHg, and above 325 C it deflagrates.

    If confined, AN may explode between 260 and 300 C [24]

    Journal of Energetic Materials; Review on Thermal Decomposition of Ammonium Nitrate

    Nitrous oxide is routinely manufactured by chemical decomposition of AN…

    The reaction is rapid but can be controlled and is the basis for commercial preparation of nitrous oxide (reaction 2).

    Due to its application as an explosive component, the decomposition chemistry of AN has been quite extensively studied [52–63].

    As for most energetic materials, the thermolysis of AN depends upon various factors such as pressure and temperature and experimental conditions such as sample size, rate of heating, sample purity, monitoring techniques, and the presence of foreign substances.

    Obviously, no single mechanism can explain all of the aspects of its decomposition characteristics.

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  430. FB says: • Website
    @turtle

    Well, obviously I’m dealing with some plonker who is a little crotchety today after imbibing a bit too much…?

    Adios goof…I’m here to bring forth UNDERSTANDABLE FACTS about the science involved here…something you don’t seem the least bit interested in…

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  431. turtle says:
    @FB

    Cold sober, goofball.

    I’m here to bring forth UNDERSTANDABLE FACTS

    How does it feel to be the Bringer of Light?
    Stil avoiding my question, I see.
    Well, back in the bit bucket you go..
    AMF, F* B*

  432. @Iris

    “The nuclear option should not be ruled out. ‘Clean’ thermonuclear bombs, i.e. nuclear bombs without radioactive secondary fallout have been under development for the last 15 years.”

    Well “pure fusion” bombs (if that’s what you’re referring to) should be ruled out because nobody has yet been able to make one, nor will they likely do so anytime soon.

    “Such a fusion thermonuclear bomb would be perfectly “green”, would leave no radioactivity , just a seismic signature. It would be undistinguishable from conventional explosives detonating, except for the nuclear fireball which, in Beirut, was possibly deliberately disguised and masked by the initial fire.”

    But there would still be a large neutron flux from such a bomb which would injure or kill people nearby. Thus there’d be people seeking treatment for radiation sickness. The neutrons would also “activate” some materials in the vicinity, which would probably be detectable.

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  433. JamesinNM says:

    KE insertions are needed at facilities near 31.069420, 35.033363.

  434. JamesinNM says:
    @FB

    AN must have had an enormous sudden heat input to have responded as it did.

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  435. A123 says:
    @turtle

    Well, I am not sure how a biomedical engineer who specializes in injury and trauma can claim expertise in the physics and chemistry of explosions. That seems like a stretch, to me, to put it in the kindest terms imaginable.

    If one is studying the result of explosions on people, having significant amounts of information about the “How & Why” of explosives seems like a necessary part of the field of study.

    The author probably would not have the skill to design a safely deliverable weapon system, however that is not the question at hand. Also, note that he refers to a 2nd more knowledgeable specialist for the analysis of the crater. He seems to know where his limits are.

    Frankly, I find the “explanation” you quote from Wired magazine to be, at the very least, “dumbed down,” and “cutesyfied,” but I guess we should consider the target audience. Stating that a chemical compound has “habits” is a bit too much for me.

    It is an article in WIRED, not a technical journal. A certain amount of simplification is required. “Habits” fits within the rest of the verbiage of the story. It probably would not be my first choice.

    Huh? It appears to me that about 1/2 of the cylinders have been blown away. Not obvious to me if there is (?) another row of silos behind those in the foreground, which are destroyed, but that may be the case.

    To me it looks like the silo building was constructing with a very strong spine. Then the silos were attached to the front and back of that spine. There were definitely two rows of silos before the blast.

    Here are before & after pictures of the building and attached silos. (1)
    ...
    To me it looks like the:

    — The silos facing TOWARDS the blast are fully destroyed, 16 of 16.
    — One end of the building and a large amount of roof is missing.
    — The spine of the building (that the silos were attached to) is still largely upright, though some length is missing.
    — The silos facing AWAY from the blast did much better. 14 of 16 are standing though damaged. 2 are missing/collapsed.

    I am not sure how you, or the biomedical engineer who claims to be “expert” in explosion physics, reaches the conclusion the blast wave was subsonic. To me that appears to be a bald-faced, unsupported assertion,

    My initial read (guess if you prefer) is a subsonic blast based on qualitative, visual characteristics. As it is not a calculation, I remain open to abandoning that early read if more substantial, quantitative data shows otherwise.
    ____

    The article author made a true speed calculation based on the time the front took to reach known objects/landmarks. He mathematically determined that the blast was subsonic based on observable, physical evidence.
    ____

    The information about the land reclamation and crater was shared because I ran across the relevant image.

    The possibility of significant additional material being present (to generate the crater) would also increase the energy of the pressure wave thus adding to blast radius and damage potential.

    Residential buildings, especially older ones, are unlikely to have the lateral load strength to deal with a blast. Also, when the pressure wave enters a residence it could exert an internal lifting force on the roof. Someone with local code & inspection knowledge would have to opine on how solidly local rooves are attached to frames/foundations.

    PEACE 😇
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    (1) https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-06/satellite-images-reveal-extent-of-damage-from-beirut-blast/12529112?nw=0

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    , @FB
  436. A123 says:
    @JamesinNM

    AN must have had an enormous sudden heat input to have responded as it did

    The commonly accepted sequence of events is that:

    — A fire spread from Warehouse #7 to #12
    — Then burned in #12 for some time.

    This fire would have heated the NH4-NO3 making it less stable and easier to detonate.

    PEACE 😇

  437. turtle says:
    @A123

    Thanks for the before and after aerial photos.
    I would have to pretty much agree with your summary of damage.
    I believe we are “on the same page” re: the Wired article, which I have not read, nor plan to.
    As noted, we are not its intended audience.

    The article author made a true speed calculation based on the time the front took to reach known objects/landmarks

    Well, that would be the way to do it, assuming his methods are correct.

    I noticed that “another fred” cited Explosive Shocks in Air, by Kinney and Graham, which appears to be a standard reference, and which I stumbled upon previously, but was too cheap to shell out 96 Euros for. Since he evidently has a copy, and evidently understands the subject matter, perhaps he will be kind enough to post the wave speed calculation here, for both subsonic and supersonic cases.

    My “freshman physics” assumption of constant wave speed is evidently incorrect, so I defer to those who know better, until or unless I can bring myself up to speed. But, it has piqued my interest, and I would like to see the correct way to calculate it. Maybe I’ll need to spend 96 euros to find out. Ah, well, what’s another book, more or less. Curiosity has a price.

    The possibility of significant additional material being present (to generate the crater) would also increase the energy of the pressure wave thus adding to blast radius and damage potential.

    I am not understanding your meaning here. Perhaps you could elaborate.
    What “additional material” are you talking about? The fill? or something else?

    Residential buildings, especially older ones, are unlikely to have the lateral load strength to deal with a blast

    Yes, the RC silos probably had the best chance of survival, were it not for proximity to blast.

    when the pressure wave enters a residence it could exert an internal lifting force on the roof.

    Correct. It also can exert uplift by blowing over top of the roof, or swirling around and under the eaves.

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  438. Malla says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Rothschilds are Ashkenazi and not at the top. They manage for their Sephardic elites like the Dangoors, Kaduris and Sassoons. All these families have ties to the Middle East. Some of these families had always lived in Baghdad until very recently, the land where once mystery Babylon existed. The Dangoors ran some of the largest printing press of Arabic literature in the Arab World.
    Sir Naim Eliahou Dangoor was the recent Exilarch
    http://www.dangoor.com/74059.html

    The Dangoors are the royal Davidic line. Nobody hears about these families much, except maybe the Sassoons because of the China Opium Trade who originally came from Iraq BTW.
    We hear about the Rothies because they are just managers for their superiors Sephardic elites.

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  439. Iris says:
    @Harold Smith

    Well “pure fusion” bombs (if that’s what you’re referring to) should be ruled out because nobody has yet been able to make one, nor will they likely do so anytime soon.

    What you are saying amounts at a member of the general public naively stating in the summer of 2001 that nanothermite does not exist.

    Back then, nanothermite already existed and its property were discussed and exposed in confidential military conferences the public was not informed of . Nanothermite was of course used in the WTC bombing operation, traces later colllected in its rubble, analysed and documented in a scientific publication.
    https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOCPJ/TOCPJ-2-7.pdf

    But there would still be a large neutron flux from such a bomb which would injure or kill people nearby.

    Your objection is incorrect. I am sure you are aware that neutron bombs become so only by deliberate design, where the shell of the bomb is purposely made of nickel or chrome so neutrons can escape, kill the people, damage the electronics but spare the buildings.

    I suggest you do some research on the military applications of the Sandia Laboratories` Z-machine and its use to produce “clean” thermonuclear weapons.

    The new fusion bombs developed since 2005, with no radioactive fallout, are a likely candidate for the bombing of the Beirut harbour.

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  440. Malla says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Anglo-Zionists

    Anglos are Israelites (Brith+ish in hebrew means Covenant+Man/ Chosen People) and Jews are Judeans. They were ancient enemies once. Have they become allies again?
    This Anglo Zionist is ridiculous because if it was Anglo, then they would not be flooding Britain with foreign immigrants and purposely diluting the British genepool. Indeed there have been videos of Jewish Rabbis coming on Youtube saying (scrubbed off youtube now) that when the European race mixes and becomes extinct/diluted, only then their Moshciah (anti-Christ, Dajjal, the evil one, Satan’s spawn) will come. Agreed they are doing this to all White people, but then why are they including the British including the English in White genocide too???

    We always hear a lot about the evul British, evul British Empire blah blah blah. Hollywood makes many anti-British and anti-Anglo movies. But nobody can talk about Jews, nobody can question Jews.
    Nah, it is Jewish. “Anglo-Zionist” is a game of deflection.
    The British Empire was a force for good but the Jew bankers at the top used these European Empires for their evil. One of them was spreading a global system of finance and usury. And when these Empires were used for their purpose, they funded all the fake “independence struggles” and destroyed these Empires. Then their funded post-colonial “studies” put all the blame on the Europeans, fill Europeans with false guilt and then they allow large number of erstwhile colonial peoples to come to Europe for eventually planned White genocide. Use the White race then genocide the White race to bring Dajjal.

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  441. Malla says:

    Beirut was destroyed in the past once to create the Zionist entity of Dubai. Beirut was a rival to Dubai, it has a lot of Arab Christians and is close to Europe. Beirut had to be destroyed by Israel to create Dubai.

    Orya Maqbool Jan, a top Pakistani Civil Servant on the Beirutshima. It is in Urdu but please click the subtitles button as the video is subtitled in English.
    Check from 2:24 minutes to 5:05 minutes.
    Also from 12:55 to 14:35 minutes.

    He claims Hezbollah helped Israelis destroy Beirut so that the Zionist money fueled city of Dubai could be created and made prosperous. Beirut as a rival city was purposely destroyed.

    • Disagree: Larchmonter420
  442. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Sir Naim Eliahou Dangoor, The Exilarch

    [MORE]

    Dr. David Alan Ezra Dangoor
    Present Exilarch and possible Davidic/ Jewish Royalty


    Clockwise from left: Hakham Ezra Reuben Dangoor, Chief Rabbi of Baghdad from 1923-1926; Naim and Renée at a Baghdad party; an Arabic newspaper announces “Miss Iraq” in 1947; the first Coca-Cola ad in Iraq, circa 1950; Naim with his business partner Ahmed Safwat.
    Renee Dangoor at the age of 21 was crowned Miss Baghdad on Dec 31, 1946 and in 1947 she was crowned Miss Iraq.

    Remember, for the Jews, Iraq was and always will be Mystery Babylon.

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse
  443. @FB

    Given that the orange-red cloud preceded the Wilson cloud by such a great time/distance (several tens of milliseconds(est.) and several hundred feet) it seems likely to me that a significant quantity of the AN did deflagrate, leaving two possibilities for the subsequent shock wave.

    1. the was also a very large quantity of HE present,
    or
    2. the AN stockpile was large enough and hot enough to self-confine and detonate.

    I think #2 is more likely as it would be very stupid to store that much HE in one spot (well over 1,000 tonnes).

    • Replies: @FB