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So Honest Joe Biden is now going to give another \$1.2 billion to the Ukrainians on top of the sixty or so billion that is already in the pipeline, but who’s counting, particularly as Congress refused to approve having an inspector general to monitor whose pockets will be lined. The money will be printed up without any collateral or “borrowed” and the American taxpayer will somehow have to bear the burden of this latest folly that is ipso facto driving much of the world into recession. And it will no doubt be blamed on Vladimir Putin, a process that is already well under way from president mumbles. But you have to wonder why no one has told Joe that the whole exercise in pushing much of the world towards a catastrophic war is a fool’s errand. But then again, the clowns that the president has surrounded himself with might not be very big on speaking the truth even if they know what that means.

Having followed the Ukraine problem since the United States and its poodles refused to negotiate seriously with Vladimir Putin in the real world, I have had to wonder what is wrong with Washington. We have had the ignorant and impulsive Donald Trump supported by a cast of characters that included the mentally unstable Mike Pompeo and John Bolton followed by Biden with the usual bunch of Democratic Party rejects. By that I mean deep thinkers about social issues who would not be able to run a hot dog stand if that were what they were forced to do to make a living. But they are real good at shouting “freedom” and “democracy” whenever questioned concerning their motives.

Indeed, opinion polls suggest that there is a great deal of unrest among middle and working class Americans who see a reversion to Jimmy Carter era financial instability, at that time caused by the oil embargo. Well, there is a new energy embargo in place brought about by the Biden Administration’s desire to wage proxy war to “weaken” Russia. Analysts predict that the costs for all forms of energy will double in the next several months and surging energy costs will impact the prices of other essentials, including food. Given all that, the fundamental issue plaguing both Democrats and Republicans is their inability to actually explain to the American people why the country’s foreign and national security policy always seems to be on the boil, searching for enemies and also creating them when they do not exist, even when the results are damaging to the interests of actual Americans.

That a serious discussion of why the United States needs to have a military that costs as much as the next nine nations in that ranking combined is long overdue and rarely addressed outside the alternative media. The 2023 military budget has been increased from this year’s, totaling \$858 billion, and, if one includes the constantly growing largesse to Ukraine, approaching a hitherto unimaginable trillion dollars. The military budget has become a major driver of the country’s unsustainable deficits. The deaths of millions of people directly and indirectly in the wars started in 9/11 aside, the wars of choice have cost an estimated \$8 trillion.

The Constitution of the United States makes it clear that a national army was only acceptable to the Founders when it was dedicated to defending the country from foreign threats. Do Americans really believe that bearing the burden of having something like 1,000 military bases scattered around the world really makes them safer? The recent rapid collapse of the security situation in Afghanistan suggests that having such bases turns soldiers and bureaucrats into potential hostages and is therefore a liability. One might also suggest that the insecurity currently prevailing in the country can in large part be attributed to the government’s depiction of numerous “threats” in order to justify both the commitment and the expense.

So where does all the money go? And what are the threats? Starting with a war that the United States is de facto though not de jure involved in, Ukraine, what was the Russian threat that demanded Washington’s intervention? Well, if one discards the nonsense of a “rules based international order” or a plucky little democracy Ukraine fighting valiantly against the Russian bear, Moscow did not threaten the United States in any way before the missiles starting flying. Putin sought to negotiate a settlement with Ukraine based on a number of perceived existential Russian national security interests, all of which were negotiable, but the US and its friends were uninterested in compromise while also plying the corrupt Zelensky regime with weapons, money and political support. The final result is a conflict that will likely only end when the last Ukrainian is dead and it includes the possibility that a misstep by the United States and Russia could lead to a nuclear holocaust. To put it succinctly, what is going on does not enhance US national security, nor does it benefit Americans economically.

And then there is China. Biden let the cat out of the bag on his recent trip to the Far East. He stated that the United States would defend Taiwan if China were to attempt to annex it. In saying that, Biden demonstrated that he does not understand the strategic ambiguity that the US and the Chinese have preferred over the past fifty years as an alternative to war. The White House for its part quickly issued a correction to the Biden statement, explaining that it was not true that Washington is obligated to defend Taiwan. Some uber hawkish congressmen have apparently found the Biden gaffe appealing and are promoting a firm US commitment to defend Taiwan, coupled with a \$4.5 billion military assistance package, of course.

At the same time, some officials in the Pentagon and the usual gaggle of congressmen also keep warning about the over the horizon threat from China as an excuse to boost defense spending. Most recently, there was alarm over Chinese participation in a meeting in May in Fiji to consider a China-Pacific Islands free trade pact! In reality, the only serious current threat from China is as an economic competitor. A trade war with China would be a disaster for the US economy, which is heavily dependent on Chinese manufactured goods, but Beijing, with its relatively small military budget, does not pose a physical threat to the United States.

And let’s not ignore Iran which has been hammered by economic sanctions and also through the covert killing of its officials and scientists. The US/Israeli war on Iran has also spilled over into neighboring Syria, where Washington actually has troops on the ground occupying the country’s oil producing region and stealing the oil. Iran’s possible expansion of its nuclear program to produce a weapon was effectively impeded through monitoring connected to a multilateral 2015 agreement called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) but Donald Trump, unwisely and acting against actual American interests, withdrew from it. Joe Biden has been warned by Israel not to re-enter the agreement, so he will no doubt comply with Prime Minister Naftali Bennett’s determination to have Washington continue to apply “extreme pressure” on the Islamic Republic. Does either Iran or its ally Syria threaten the United States in any way? No. Their crime is that they are in the same neighborhood as the Jewish state, which finds the US government easy to manipulate into acting against its own interests.

Finally, in America’s own hemisphere there is Venezuela, which has been elevated to the status of Washington’s most hated nation in the region. Venezuelans have been subjected to increasingly punitive US sanctions, including some new ones just last week, which hurt the poorer citizens disproportionately but have not brought about regime change. Why the animosity? Because the country’s leader Nicolas Maduro is still in power in spite of a US assertion that the country’s opposition leader Juan Guaido should rightfully and legitimately be in charge after a possibly fraudulent election in 2018. The latest therapy applied by the United States on Caracas consisted of blocking the country as well as Nicaragua and Cuba from participating in the recent meeting of the Ninth Summit of the Americas which was held in Los Angeles. A State Department spokesman explained that the move was due to the three countries “lacking democratic governances.” Mexican President Lopez Obrador protested against the move and removed himself from his country’s delegation, saying “There can’t be a Summit of the Americas if not all countries of the American continent are taking part.” The despicable US Senator Robert Menendez of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee then felt compelled to add his two cents, criticizing the Mexican president and warning that his “decision to stand with dictators and despots” would hurt US-Mexico relations. So where was the threat from Venezuela (and Cuba and Nicaragua) and why is the US involved at all? Beats me.

What all of this means is that there is absolutely no standard of genuine national security that motivates the US’s completely illegal aggression in many parts of the world. What occurs may be linked to a desire to dominate or a madness sometimes described as “exceptionalism” and/or “leadership of the free world,” neither of which has anything to do with actual security. And the American people are paying the price both in terms of decline in standards of living due to the upheaval created in Ukraine and elsewhere as well as a completely understandable loss of faith in the US system of government. By all means, let us shrink the US military until it is responsive to actual identifiable threats. Let’s elect a president who will follow the sage advice of President John Quincy Adams, who declared that “Americans should not go abroad to slay dragons they do not understand in the name of spreading democracy.” At this point, one can only imagine an America that is at peace with itself and with what it represents while also being considered a friend to the rest of the world.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation (Federal ID Number #52-1739023) that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected].

 
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  1. I say we set up a national charity where citizens can donate money to Ukraine, rather than our government taking money from citizens and sending it there. Or they can just add a donation to their annual tax return. How much will citizens choose to send to Ukraine? I’d guess less than a billion dollars annually, because they know Ukraine don’t matter.

  2. Global nuclear war would not only not benefit Americans, it might not benefit any sentient being…that is if the deliberately dumbed-down American can be considered sentient.

    There’s also the possibility that there is a discarnate evil force which for some reason delights in bloodshed and hates humanity and in general, life on our beautiful planet. If that happens to be a valid hypothesis, then it is entirely possible that certain humans are in total thrall to such an entity or entities that they would do the dirty deeds even if their own lives are forfeit.

    Or maybe it is a form of an accelerated “Samson Option”, where the Babylonian Talmudists are witnessing over 2,500 years of plotting and scheming being flushed down the Big Swirly by Russia and would prefer that all humanity dies if their dreams and schemes are defeated.

  3. anonymous[411] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s about the oil. Check out this list of top 10 countries with the largest oil reserves:

    #1: Venezuela
    #2: Saudi Arabia
    #3: Canada
    #4: Iran
    #5: Iraq
    #6: Kuwait
    #7: UAE
    #8: Russia
    #9: Libya
    #10: USA

    With the fall of Iraq and Libya, it means only 3 are not directly or indirectly under US control, namely Venezuela, Iran and Russia. Which means we must go to war with each and take over.

    Why?

    Because whoever controls the oil controls the world, especially China but also India, EU, UK, Japan, Oceania, etc. all import 99% of their oil. Oil is how ZOG is going to bring China to heel, since the CCP won’t let them take control of their banks. China will be the world’s biggest economy by 2030. We just can’t let them run themselves now can we? Must have control over China.

    Welcome to the Jew World Order. They are God’s Chosen to run this world, not the Christian whites(who’ve been completely co-opted), and definitely not the Chinese.

  4. Ktulu says:

    Tbh fam I’m balls deep invested in such a war happening right now so please please please tell me it is going to.

    • LOL: Emslander
    • Replies: @Arnieus
  5. @Carlton Meyer

    Except many might prefer sending money to Russia as the only Christian and anti-Oligopolist option left.

  6. First let’s dismiss the bear trap statement,

    “If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans . . .”

    In no world, do I want a war with Russia or anyone else. And your subtitle is utterly misleading and wrong on its face.

    I wasn’t on board with mucking around in the Ukraine, but it’s clear our mucking was to counter Russia’s mucking, still not a fan, but I get it.

    And since our relations with Ukraine were substantial, rightly or not,

    The Russian threat of war based on ho the US could dance with is a direct challenge to he US without question. A direct challenge to NATO, Europe and the international community at large. Her threat of war, actual and threat of nuclear exchange demanded a response.

    Unfortunately we had shot our pistols’ foolishly in the Middle East and the perception of US might took a serious hit. Now Russia sees an opening, one we are all but falling over ourselves to oblige and her move invading Ukraine is about that very dynamic and because it is war as the language of choice, in my view we should confront it forthwith.

    That’s the threat US sovereignty to have relations with who she chooses on her terms. Whether Russia has designs on Poland, Switzerland, Sweden, Georgia . . . is a case I would rather not engage in a wait and see to determine. And her invitation to China, who apparently approves of her aggression —

    sanctions, unless we intend to force them and or run a blockade to export Ukrainian goods as we should . . . is simply the wrong language

    This is not hard or complicated. Because goods and services matter and should the US give way here, when next our goods and services come under pressure, e have established a very weak disposition with which to guard and or negotiate.

    —————————————–

    now given the press by corporate players to remove nationalities form the equation maybe in the long run the matter is moot. But right now here and now

    it’s alive and kicking

  7. Analysts predict that the costs for all forms of energy will double in the next several months and surging energy costs will impact the prices of other essentials, including food.

    Once such energy increase my have been deferred until the start of cold weather.

    US Natural Gas Slumps After Fire at Texas LNG Export Terminal
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-natural-gas-prices-plunge-180343911.html

    Natural gas prices were being bid up in anticipation of selling LNG to the dim-witted Europeans. When the Texas plant had an ‘accident’, the profit wasn’t going to be available for a while. (The word accident was highlighted because it might have really been that, what with the ‘anything goes’ attitudes in Texas. Lots of motivations for assorted people to have created that ‘accident’ though.

    I won’t be a bit surprised if my heating bill doesn’t double next winter.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  8. Charles says:

    As others, even decades ago, have written: in future generations, Chinese historians will ponder why the US was determined to commit suicide.

    • Agree: Realist
  9. As for the nuclear whine . . .

    snore, yawn . . . anything is possible — snore yawn . . .

    • Troll: David Burberry
  10. JimDandy says:

    Come on. It would benefit some Americans.

  11. IronForge says:

    The Masonic-Zionist Hegemony.

    They’re also the G7. Add Greater_ISR who pwn USA, GBR+Commonwealth, FRA – you can call them the H8 – Hegemony Eight, H-Eight, etc.

    They’re determined to Rule the World Again – this time more Permanently; but RUS, CHN, and IND have grown Too Powerful to be Colonized. RUS and CHN are going soon be Permanently Impervious to Anything the Hegemony can muster against them.

    The Plutarchy and Vassals FEDRSV, MIC, PetroUSD, KleptoCorporates, and SocioPolitical Ochlarchs want the World to Revolve around Them.

    Even so, the World is Not Enough for them.

    *****

    That being said – “IF” we’re being observed by “Benevolent” Space Faring Civilizations – do you think they’d want to Reveal Themselves to Humanity and Offer their Advice and Guidance to the likes of Biden, Trump, Blinken, Soros-Schwartz, Slow-yd Austin, Scholz, TrampolinaBaerbock, Macron, BJohnson, LTruss, WEF/Davos, Schumer, and Pelosi?

    I don’t think so.

    Hypothetically – If this Incorrigible Hegemony manage to send Ships to Plunder Species on Other Solar Systems – I’d expect Ethical Observers to possibly Intervene, “Reset” Humanity, sic Similar Predator-Plunderers against the Hegemony/All of Humanity, or Purge+Replant+Repopulate the Earth.

    These are My Opinions.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  12. Hoyeru says:

    I simply LOVE it when Americans feign ignorance. They are SO good at it too. When they pretend to know, they appear to KNOW EVERYTHING,and when they pretend to be ignorant, it’s so silly, it’s laughable.

    The guy has never heard of the MIC thats been wrned against in the 1960s? Come on, yet another 100% useless, time wasting “article” on UNZ.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @GenFranco
    , @Gyre07
  13. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:

    Remember, Hitler on his maternal side was an Ashkenazi Jew. As the allies rolled into Germany in 1945, Hitler’s instruction to his generals was to burn, kill and destroy every German town and city they retreated from.

    Yes, Hitler’s order to every WW2 German military commander was to obliterate every inch of German soil and murder every German citizen that they were forced to surrender to the Allies.

    (Like the Ashkenazis that rule the West today, if they can’t have it and control it, nobody will.)

    The NAZI Mass Formation Psychosis was wearing off the German military leadership by this time, so there was widespread mutiny from German military leadership against this order.

    It’s happening again in Europe. RUSSIA is making a stand against it. God bless Russia, and may He be with Putin and he faces down the Devil.

    As for you Americans, GOD is testing you. He wants you to open your eyes. He’s ALREADY shown you that you cannot defeat the Devil with the ballot box.

    The ballot box, in its most honest and straightforward form, elects the type of governance the most lazy in any given constituency would like. The most lazy in any constituency always votes for the Devil. Just in case they deviate, the Ashkenazi Jews pays them to deposit fraudulent votes in well placed deposit points.

    There’s a difference between “governance” and “government”. “Governance” is what the shareholders of a corporation live under. “Government” is what a free self-determining sovereign people live under.

    I hope more than 5% of Unz readers take time to check this difference out.

    The Ashkenazi Jews in the US, like they have done in their historical homeland, London-England, have covered both bases. Learn that Biden is the “bad cop” and Trump is the “nice cop”.

    If you in the US believe that you are going back to normality via the ballot box and a piece-of-sh*t like Trump. Forget it.

    Please wake up.

    • Replies: @David Burberry
  14. JR Foley says:

    There is no profit in peace said the prophet under satan.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
  15. “Stretching America”? Sounds great to me.
    It might just be the turning point for civil war and for nooses stretching the necks of the Jewmerican elites to death (and with them the scum they installed over the remnants of Germany).

  16. Kim says:

    1. It’s written (((you)))

    2. Benefit Americans?

  17. Until America experience’s a war within its own border, nothing will change the mindset of indoctrinated fools fed toxic propaganda, FrankClotShoots and GMO food 24/7/365.
    That internal war is coming, it’s not a matter of if, but when. And thanks to Putin and a dozen other nations, we have foreign allies that would be willing supporters for any future military support to take down and reinstall a new American administration.
    I don’t have any faith in a corrupt GOP to undertake the will of the American people.
    BTW, is this an act of sedition?
    I hope it is.

    • Agree: Rev. Spooner
  18. Dear Mr. Giraldi, please watch President Eisenhower’s last speech to the American people.

    Watch the clip from Julian Assange explaining the ‘war’ in Afghanistan.

    Then, connect the dots.

    The taxpayers pay their taxes under duress. The USA government, full of politicians and lobbyists paid by the Military Industrial Complex, sends the tax dollars to the USA corporations via the Pentagon System of financial Keynesian stimulation. The money goes into the pockets of the CEO’s of these corporations and investor class, at the top of which are Vanguard and Blackrock.

    These same corporations own the state/corporate media and social media and Big Tech like google which protects the Pentagon System from public scrutiny.

    The Pentagon System also sends a lot of money towards the academic world and think tanks and finally of course at the heart of this system is the CIA, the representative of Wall Street, which you Mr. Giraldi should know all about.

    Most of the money stays in the hands of the same people who ordered the politicians to spend the money. Some goes abroad to buy off whoever needs to be bought off.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  19. Jon Chance says: • Website

    Sadly, the truth is that Communist China is indeed a very serious threat to the national security of Americans and Europeans.

    It was a terrible mistake for Americans and Europeans to recognize the “legitimacy” of a terrorist organization like the CCP many decades ago.

    All aspiring democracies should stand firmly in defense of Taiwan, Japan, Korea, India, and other Asian nations against the Chinese Communist Party.

    https://www.newsbud.com/2018/02/09/the-rockefellers-and-rothschilds-in-china-a-long-intimate-relationship

  20. If the psychopaths in Thanatopolis DC decide to attack Russia or China, and probably Iran, too, they’d lose, so it looks like Venezuela.

  21. neutral says:

    Americans are brainless cattle, they will think and do whatever the jews tell them. They will watch their negro ball sports and go to gay pride event and be happy about it. If that was all they were that would be tolerable, however they are waging a total war to export this ideological filth to the entire planet, that being the case there can be no forgiveness and no mercy for this scum.

  22. Dr. Giraldi speaks in persuasive, diplomatic terms. I value the clarity he provides in explicating the malign effects of the uniquely American psychopathology called exceptionalism. I admire the restrained, measured tone he brings to bear, admittedly a virtue becoming more difficult to practice for all who find alerting Americans to their perfidy as rewarding as the attempted demolition of a brick wall using one’s head.

    Exceptionalism is self-congratulation with a patriotic veneer. It can only capture the imagination of a population having no history long enough to have gotten its ass kicked good and hard on more than one occasion. Or, one that has not, as yet, engineered its own demise via misstep and misjudgment.

    Exceptionalism is rationalized supremacist cant. Like the grandiose afflicted with narcissistic personality disorder, a typical American sees no problem with himself. It’s always the other guy giving offense and making trouble, because he just can’t see America’s greatness and purity of purpose.

    For a century or so, there has existed the seemingly intractable puzzle of what exactly it will take to reform American thinking processes, at both individual and collective levels. Now at last, a technological solution may present: I suggest the wordlessly compelling sight of a mushroom cloud over downtown might do the trick.

    • Agree: DevilAdvocate
    • Thanks: mark green
  23. If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans

    First, Nicaragua and Cuba should also be added to that list of countries mentioned above with Cuba being the favored target for American sanctions for decades now. Second, Dr. Giraldi must surely understand that American led wars, especially those of the Middle East, are conducted under orders from Zionist Jews inside occupied America and Western Europe and those in Zionist apartheid Israel to realize its dreams of Eretz Israel and world domination via a stupefied American and European leadership.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning
  24. Perhaps a minor point, but while J.Q. Adams was Secretary of State he actually said this, referring to the ongoing wars of independence of Spain’s American colonies, in a lengthy July Fourth speech delivered in Washington in 1821, “She [the United States] goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy, She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own… She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.”

    Adams’ presidency was served under a cloud, as Andrew Jackson had actually won the popular vote but was not acceptable to certain powerful special interests (which he went after with a vengeance when he won again in 1828 and 1832).

    It seems rather unlikely that many Americans would “see a reversion to Jimmy Carter era financial instability,” or even be aware of it except as ancient history, as the majority of our population was born after 1980; in many cases, well after. Carter is no more real to most than Adams, though there is the interesting parallel that both men accomplished far more in the post-White House years than during their administrations.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  25. @Carlton Meyer

    How much will citizens choose to send to Ukraine? I’d guess less than a billion dollars annually, because they know Ukraine don’t matter.

    Ukraine does not matter to U.S. Security. But, as a source of conflict and a cause célèbre of the neocons, it is essential.

  26. anonymous[269] • Disclaimer says:

    From 4chan /pol/ – ‘2 Powerful Feminist Women Are Starting World War 3’

    FEMALE POLITICAL POWER shines, as Lithuania Prime Minister Ingrida Šimonytė joins EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, in torching 1993 international agreement with Russia

    – These two ladies ‘decided’ on direct violation of the Russian-Lithuanian Treaty of 1993, and a clear act of war, ‘casus belli’, under international law, maybe dragging the whole of EU and NATO into semi-global war … Kaliningrad Blockade! Ultimatum by Russia! WW3 DUE TO WOMEN!

    – Von der Leyen was not elected by any voters, but yet is in the position to decide to start a global war between EU-NATO and Russia: “Lithuania’s state railways set out the [blockade] following ‘clarification’ from the European Commission.”

    ‘Russia delivered an ultimatum … summoned the Chargé d’Affaires of Lithuania Virginia Umbrasene.” Another woman to help start WW3!
    https://en.topwar.ru/198007-rossija-postavila-litve-ultimatum.html

  27. Chavez offered the US a very long-term contract to supply it with oil at \$50 a barrel. And the stupid USers said no.

    • Replies: @IronForge
    , @Kim
  28. Why fund a corrupt political regime ?

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  29. @Carlton Meyer

    Ukraine does not matter?
    “The War in Ukraine Marks the End of the American Century”
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/the-war-in-ukraine-marks-the-end-of-the-american-century/
    Jewmerica is not paying a single cent to Ukraine.
    Jewmerica wants to have and keep strive in Europe to fleece everyone.
    Jewnighted States money supply grew by 38% – by \$5.9 trillion – in less than two years;
    “As long as the dollar is a global currency and continues to be settled through US banks or what is called the American Federal Reserve, you are under the authority of this dollar; and therefore your future as a state, a country or society, as an economy is under the mercy of the United States,” Assad declared.
    https://www.rt.com/news/556890-assad-russia-ukraine-interview/
    The Jewnighted States Dollar Crime Regime is the reason for “Ukraine” and its setup by Soros (Rothschild-Rockefeller Syndicus), Wash-ink-ton(y), Jew Yolk, Israhell & Vatica(n); this time around with the little helper Jewkraine and long prepared on the back of manipulated white idiots thinking they are fighting for “Ukraine”.
    The war in Ukraine is a sham behind the appearance of NATO unity and its consolidation with new lackeys like dumb Sweden and even dumber Finland (women!). People are believing that inflation and everything else is getting out of control because “Russia is out of control”. In reality, all those who have not been blinded know that the Jewed West can’t win against Russia but gain time to hide its evil economic and state crimes and theft of public goods and are already preparing other enemies to keep on blending purposely and destructively. Destruction everywhere for their evil hide and reset.
    Euro money growth is tandem to JewS with ca. 20 % or more than 2 trillion Euros in less than two years. (Germany has right now a prime producer inflation of 33,5 % p.a.)
    Apparently most weapons do not arrive in Jewkraine but on the Balkans.
    “A new war is being prepared for after the defeat in the face of Russia”
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article217016.html
    Europe is again made the big looser thanks to another Jewmerican war in its midst; their policy of War Forever. Jewmerica is its usual evil self and using Russian pressure to close the ranks of lackeys at the cost of the European peoples.
    But Russia is good for a game changer and so is China. I suggest Russia returning all those weapons to the peoples of America and Western Europe. There are just as much takers as in Ukraine. The effect of American Jewlites & hyenas having to fear for their live every time they get onto a plane or into a vehicle (to get hit by rocket) might do wonders. Bring the war to Bidens, Obimbos, Trumps, Pelosis, Kissingers…homes and of course the bankster homes and families must get the blessings of Jewmerica well and truly.
    Russia might at the end get serious and give Jewmerica & Israhell its own medicine. Bring the war back to its roots?! The days of the “The American way” (of robbing and exploitation) are counted.
    China: “America will be punished”.
    The Jewed West will crumble like the cardhouse build with paper (-money); a card house of lies built with paper-money on the back of mankind in order to make man unkind to himself. Evil!

  30. padre says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Why would you do that? Did you do it for Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Jemen, Somalia, Nigeria, …?

  31. Anonymous[970] • Disclaimer says:

    Ukraine is getting all the money it needs in the form of weapons from the U.S. Eff those guys. My money is allocated for hookers and drugs in the U.S. and I’m fine with that.

    Team Russia.

  32. Americans are going abroad to slay dragons… Americans have turned into evil dragons now.

  33. Anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:

    Maybe my memory is selective but I can remember for at least a decade Senators and Congressmen on news channels always when talking about national security and foreign policy advocating arming Ukraine along with vilifying Putin and Russia. No explanation given it was just a brute fact.

    It was always stated in the same matter-of-fact way that Israel is our greatest ally. And of course there was/is zero pushback from the interviewer.

    Even Tucker has largely caved after having his ears pinned back. Last week GOP Congressman Chip Roy— a MAGA guy— was on Tucker and stated, “I think we can agree Putin is evil.” Tucker’s response to that ludicrous calumnious statement? 🦗 🦗 🦗

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  34. Seeker says:

    If one really wants to know the reason, read the articles by economist Michael Hudson on this site.

  35. This article is a real sucker punch. The pigeon is since long out of the rafter, no-one here on unz, has any illusions that the “America” of the meatballs has not since long grasped that meat-ball interests are intentionally N-O-T served by Jew dominated Washington.

    Good luck ignoring this in obstinacy and butt-squeezing spasms, and obsoleting your own scribbles. You are part of a loosing team.

  36. Madness in great ones should not unchecked go.

  37. Too late for walk backs and compromises Philip. It is all over for the U\$A

  38. It might be ridiculous to expect the US to do anything because honour required it but the US committed itself in honour to protect Ukraine when it gave up its nuclear weapons.

    Moreover, a value free pragmatic judgment says the world, and above all America’s influence in it will change radically if Putin is allowed to win. Is there any chance it would be for the better?

    The muddled discussion about money spent by the US government would be more helpful if it directed attention to the question whether the US and Europe are adequately equipped to boost arms production quickly and in volume as it now seems will be necessary if the huge economic advantage the West has over Russia is to prevail rather than lead to collapse in the face of barbarian vigour and determination like Persia invaded by the Greeks or India by almost every invader.

  39. @Carlton Meyer

    How about the US and its vassals just stay out of Ukraine?

    • Agree: Decoy
  40. GMC says:

    Good article – Again. Ya, it’s looking like the good old Khazarian Gang in Ukraine is telling Biden what to do with all those billions that Zio Mellon is printing. Send them to the new JewGod Zelinsky – America’s new Hero. Talk about getting Sucker Punched,PetroldSack, decade after decade, the US populace gets 1st Prize.

  41. Why don’t the thickos who still parrot Russian propaganda about the expansion of NATO or existential threats to Russia do a little of the constructive thinking that has apparently been diverted by fascination with Russia and almost total ignorance of Ukraine over many years. (I wonder how many of PG’s old CIA mates spoke Ukrainian – even one?).

    I have already mentioned the sanctions Russia could have applied to Ukraine in lieu of smashing it to pieces and killing thousands of civilians. But what about Russia having at least tried negating the (bogus) existential threat by imaginative diplomacy which proposed that, without Russia joining NATO that it guarantee immunity from attack to its neighbours in return for a promise of the equivalent of Article 5 protection if attacked by any of its neighbours. The idea that Putin was justified by lack of alternatives in making war on Ukraine is too ludicrous to be taken seriously. After all hasn’t the world become more civilised since born again Christian Bush lied his way into attacking Iraq and brutalising it?

  42. @Carlton Meyer

    I say we set up a national charity where citizens can donate money to Ukraine, rather than our government taking money from citizens and sending it there. Or they can just add a donation to their annual tax return. How much will citizens choose to send to Ukraine? I’d guess less than a billion dollars annually, because they know Ukraine don’t matter.

    It would be interesting to do the same for Israel. My guess is that if Israel’s supporters had to pay out of their own pockets or actually do some fighting, the support for Israel would be shown to be a mile wide and an inch deep, if even that.

    • Replies: @David Burberry
  43. neutral says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Is there any chance it would be for the better?

    The US regime openly and explicitly is pushing for white genocide, it openly and explicitly is pushing for homosexuality as a religion, it openly and explicitly is pushing for n!gger worship. Literally everything in the world is better than the ZOG regime. If you disagree can you name a single thing the US regime offers that is beneficial to whites?

  44. @anonymous

    I sometimes wonder if shared opposition to ZOG will be what finally brings humanity together.

    • Replies: @Sir Launcelot Canning
  45. geokat62 says:

    That a serious discussion of why the United States needs to have a military that costs as much as the next nine nations in that ranking combined is long overdue and rarely addressed outside the alternative media.

    “Senator McGovern is very sincere when he says that he will try to cut the military budget by 30%. And this is to drive a knife in the heart of Israel… Jews don’t like big military budgets. But it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States… American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.” – Irving Kristol, Uber neocon

    So where was the threat from Venezuela (and Cuba and Nicaragua) and why is the US involved at all? Beats me.

    It’s all about assisting the Apartheid state install regimes that are eager to establish “special relations” with the latter.

    At a session of the Knesset State Control Committee, in 2016, Nut’nYahoo presented a map showing Israel’s world relations.

    The map divides the world’s countries into [four] different categories: those with which Jerusalem has “recently developed/upgraded” relations are marked in red; states that entertain “good relations” with Israel are in blue; and “overtly hostile enemy states” are in black. With the rest of the world, in green, “Israel does not have special relations.”

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-netanyahus-new-illustrated-world-israel-has-just-five-enemies/

    In August 2015, Netanyahu declared Latin America to be “one of the main objectives of the State of Israel in the context of its efforts to develop markets that will contribute to increasing economic growth.” As things stand, on his map, only three countries there are marked red: Colombia, Paraguay and Argentina.

    • Thanks: Yukon Jack
  46. Wokechoke says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    The inability of the US and Europe to manufacture shells is the big question.

  47. Wokechoke says:
    @Anonymous

    VP Pence in his debate with Clinton’s sidekick said Russia was the biggest threat, no one batted an eye.

  48. @Carlton Meyer

    Carlton, I’d rather send it to Putin. Ain’t that a daisy? I’m not alone by a damned sight. Thanks for your work exposing Ford class. And other stuff.

    • Replies: @Dr. Krieger
  49. Follow the Benjamins.

  50. @Anon

    Yeah you forgot to provide proof that Hitler was a jew and that he ordered the German military to kill all German citizens and destroy all German towns.

    And why would he do that? The Russians and Americans were already doing a fine job of it.

  51. @anonymous

    Most women have little grasp of the seriousness of war.

    Perhaps Joy Behar, Whoopi Goldberg and the other gals at The View could remedy that deficiency by featuring discussions highlighting the dangers of careless foreign policy between segments featuring the latest Summer fashions and women over 80 reaching orgasm.

  52. @OilcanFloyd

    Funny how “Christians” think God is going to bless them for robbing their neighbors to aid Israel.

  53. IronForge says:
    @Badger Down

    Of Course they Declined!

    Why accept those Terms from a “Monroe Doctrine Peasant State” – when it can be Overthrown and Fields Possessed by the Murican PetroUSD Oligopoly?

  54. Realist says:
    @Hoyeru

    I simply LOVE it when Americans feign ignorance.

    This country never feigns ignorance…or stupidity…they live it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  55. @anonymous

    Then you have the broad in Finland torching a treaty that goes back even further and another one in Moldova that appears to be committing suicide as well. Women don’t seem to have a problem sbout sending their men off to die or reneg on promises. I guess this is what true feminism brings to the world… the inability to accept responsibility and an inordinate desire to destroy whomever disagrees with you. What gives?

  56. @neutral

    Which whites is the further question. More of the rich and the talented and educated are white than not white and America is pretty good for them in a material way and opportunities at least.

    • Replies: @neutral
  57. @WingsofADove

    Ray McGovern called it MICIMATT (Military, Industrial, Congressional, Intelligence, Media, Academic, Think Tank). These are the agents of continuous fraud that is robbing the American people of the fruits of their labour and the perpetrators of non stop wars of aggression.

    • Agree: WingsofADove
    • Replies: @Jim H
    , @neprof
  58. ariadna says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Why not make it more direct and personal: set up a fund to donate money directly to ‘elensky. The overhead on his mansion in Florida must be onerous.

    • Agree: Bo Bo
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  59. @David Burberry

    Funny how “Christians” think God is going to bless them for robbing their neighbors to aid Israel.

    Not all, but enough to be alarming. I don’t understand how so many Christians don’t take their own religion seriously on many issues. But it makes absolutely no sense for members of one religion to worship members of another religion, especially when the other religion is a hostile competitor.

  60. @Wizard of Oz

    Sanctions? You’re funny. No sanction would stop the West from sending in their weapons or going ahead and pulling their war of sanctions on Russia. Time to put your crack pipe down.

  61. How is USA reacting to Colombia after the recent election there?

    (According to many UR commenters USA is a leftwing communist regime so USA should be over the moon about the results of the election and sending greetings to welcome the new left wing Colombian government into its American leftwing communist fold. Or do such UR commenters see USA being hostile to Cuba, Nicaragua, and Venezuela as some kind of internal intra-communist dispute between leftists? I wonder what are the finer ideological points these American communists dispute over. Or are such UR commenters just confused? Or disinformation agents with some ulterior agenda? Or maybe imbeciles?)

    • LOL: Showmethereal
  62. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Why don’t the thickos who still parrot Russian propaganda…

    You might want to take a look at these telling remarks yesterday by Graham Fuller, a former high-ranking CIA official:

    https://grahamefuller.com/some-hard-thoughts-about-post-ukraine/

    Strangely enough, he seems to entirely agree with Mearsheimer, Ray McGovern, and every other sensible expert.

    • Agree: lavoisier
  63. Only 200 or so are Americans.
    The rest are deplorables.
    The benefit of the 200 is easy to see.

  64. Phil wrote: “… followed by Biden with the usual bunch of Democratic Party rejects. By that I mean deep thinkers about social issues who would not be able to run a hot dog stand if that were what they were forced to do. ‘

    Hahaha. 😂

  65. A very interesting and comprehensive article.

    It was written, however, before the Lithuanian/NATO/US decision to partially blockade Kaliningrad, part of Russia and HQ of Russia’s Baltic fleet. Prior to “Lithuania’s decision”, Russia had unfettered railway and pipe line access to Kaliningrad.

    What this decision tells me, and the rest of the world, is that the USA has no intention of seeking a negotiated end to its conflict with Russia over the Ukraine. The US is trying to weaken and defeat Russia in a conflict which the Russians view as an existential threat to their country.

    Cutting rail links to Kaliningrad certainly adds another dimension to this confrontation.

    The USSR lost 20-25 million people in WW2 in a war initiated by Nazi Germany and in which many of the European countries now confronting Russia participated in one way or another. The Russian Federation is therefor naturally sensitive to a hostile alliance on its western border.

    But the Biden Administration is deeply committed to “victory” over Russia in Russia’s own backyard. Both Russia and the USA are nuclear armed states and now appear willing to fight each other over what seemed initially as eastern European issues of little import to US security.

    Biden is senile and Blinken is way out of his depth. The MSM is cheerleading war with Russia. Here in the USA, there don’t seem to be any sentient adults in the room.

    If you are not scared, you should be.

  66. @neutral

    “ If you disagree can you name a single thing the US regime offers that is beneficial to whites?”

    Never mind Whites, the more accurate question is : can you name a single thing the US regime offers that is beneficial to mankind or to the world. Somebody please enlighten me if I am blind.

  67. @David Burberry

    Pastor John Hagee comes to mind. He reifies the admonition to be weary of fat wolves in sheep’s clothing better than anyone else.

  68. War benefits the zionists who own the FED and IRS and the ZUS government by adding unpayable debt to the American people and this in addition to the deaths of Americans also promotes their UN Agenda 2030 aka the great reset aka the 10 planks of the communist manifesto and the zionist depopulation agenda, so for the zionists war is a win, win.

    Zionists are destroyers of nations and humanity, and they are destroying America.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Kolya Krassotkin
  69. neutral says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Jews are not white. As for the rich goyim serving their jew masters, like I said earlier, they are cattle. And even if you have no problem being cattle only concerned about material comforts, even those are rapidly vanishing. You worship apes and eventually you will be living in a planet of the apes.

  70. @JoaoAlfaiate

    Thanks! One might also add that the Treaty of Versailles’ transfer of the so-called Danzig Corridor to Poland, cutting most of Germany off from East Prussia, was one of the principal grievances that led directly to the start of the Second World War. History may be repeating itself, with potentially disastrous consequences!

  71. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes, there is a chance it would be for the better. The West is going down fast. Absent WW3, in three more generations the US will look more like Brazil, and northern Europe more like Egypt (including Nubia). With WW3, it’s back to Dark Ages at best.

    Also, there’s no winning for the West now. The West forgot how to make things. Either the Sampson Option or strategic retreat to defensible regional security arrangements. There may still be time for a negotiated peace that embodies a new balance of powers (plural). Unipol concepts are out of touch with emerging realities. I wish it were different.

  72. Jim H says:

    ‘The 2023 military budget [is] approaching a hitherto unimaginable trillion dollars.’ — Philip Giraldi

    One of the paradoxes of economics is that “what could have been” remains invisible.

    If two-thirds of the astounding sums spent on global military domination instead had been spent domestically, US public infrastructure and public services would be the envy of the world.

    “Every man a king,” as ol’ Huey Long used to say, though these days “every woman (and some men) a queen” would be a higher objective.

    But it never happened. We are stuck with the \$30 trillion of debt that could have made it happen. But a thousand overseas bases, and the materiel and personnel to run them, left not a trace of wealth or benefit. It was all a deadweight loss.

    Mismanage an empire on the current scale, and pretty soon its people are poor and desperate.

    And a bit farther down the crumbling staircase, it’s not even an empire any more.

  73. The headline says…

    “Explain It to Me, Please

    If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans”

    What makes you think it’s your country just because you were born here or your forefathers came to these shores on Mayflower? It’s about the Jew, his agenda, his profits and last but not least, Israel. Please get that through your discombobulated head!

    P. S. Don’t count on the befuddled Biden to help as he was idiotic enough to ride a bike with a mask on outdoors, but not smart enough to wear a helmet.

    • Agree: Kim
  74. Agent76 says:

    Jun 19, 2022 Ukraine Targets Same Civilian Area Twice After It was Published It Was Only A Civilian Area

    Yesterday During a day of Intense shelling, we published a video showing an area in the Kuibyshevsky district of Donetsk where civilians died. Actually one of the most intense shelling of the city of Donetsk in the last 8 years of this war.

    February 16, 2022 Chomsky: US Push to “Reign Supreme” Stokes the Ukraine Conflict

    Soldiers with the 101st Airborne Division prepare to depart Fort Campbell, Kentucky, en route for Poland on February 15, 2022. U.S. troops are being deployed to aid NATO allies amid escalating tensions between Russia and Ukraine.

    https://truthout.org/articles/chomsky-us-push-to-reign-supreme-stokes-the-ukraine-conflict/?amp

    March 25, 2016 WAR IS A LIE – David Swanson in Asheville

  75. Jim H says:
    @Joe Levantine

    ‘Ray McGovern called it MICIMATT (Military, Industrial, Congressional, Intelligence, Media, Academic, Think Tank).’ — Joe Levantine

    The late Chalmers Johnson called it ‘the sorrows of empire.’

    Fact is, the US never demobilized from WW II. Wartime intel agencies were made permanent fixtures of peacetime, by a little haberdasher from Kansas City who somehow impersonated the president.

    Likewise, US military deployments in Europe and Asia were made permanent, and even expanded.

    Clearly, it’s not working. The empire does not pay for itself. It can’t even defend its distant possessions, as when we spent \$2 trillion and twenty years to replace the Taliban with the Taliban.

    Yet not a peep of dissent from this sorry state of affairs is heard from either of the legacy political parties.

    What the hell does it take? How bad does it have to get?

    We could still demobilize from WW II, to our enormous benefit: end the CIA; end the NSA; end NATO. Close the foreign bases; raise our living standards; regain our freedom, privacy and dignity.

    • Replies: @Greta Handel
  76. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

    In this world there are two kinds of people. Those who are quiet and bite and those who bark and not much else.

    Joey falls in the second category. He does not know when to shut up. Hence he has progressed from beating up Corn Pop and his Gang with a chain to Russian Roulette with nuclear weapons.

    Joey wants to convince us he is a Motherfucking Gangsta. Unfortunately when the action starts Joe will be cowering in his basement. That;s how it goes down with loudmouths. Other people bleed because this type of person continually says and does stupid things.

  77. @Desert Fox

    I continue to hope that with the development of the www and other forms of mass communicaton leading to the spread of reasonably accurate information to a wider audience, humanity will come to its senses and that Joe Six Pack will at last recognize that he and his family have for generations been played for fools by TPTB. Maybe then he will at last do something substantive about his situation, or am I only whistling past the graveyard?

  78. jconsley says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    the Elitecomminc troll’s comment is the most vapid statement in answer to Giraldi’s statements.

  79. Explain It to Me, Please If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans

    I don’t think it is possible to understand the Ukraine-Russo war outside of a Jewish conspiracy to dominate the world. Amerika simply has no real political interest in Ukraine. But Jews control perception because they run the media, and so far the public has been successfully seduced in Liberal areas like my town in southern Oregon where there are many pro-Ukraine blue/yellow flags.

    What is going on seems irrational from an Amerikan viewpoint inside the belly of the beast. But what is going on is perfectly logical if framed in a Jewish conspiracy to rule the world. Jews want Russia and China and Amerika and Iran to go at it and destroy themselves while Israel rises to ascendency and becomes the center of the new world – and iron rule from Jerusalem.

    (BTW this is one of the main reason why patriots world over need to turn the Dome of the Rock into the Crater of Glass – by nuking Jerusalem (the contested “holy” city) would end prophecy and snap the world out of the Bible spell)

    The Jews must sell this war and get the different nation states to get suckered into their own destruction. For instance Amerika has already spent 61 billion on Ukraine and all the arms it needs for self defense are being shipped over and turned into Kaliber missile targets and turned into smokin’ scrap iron.

    Look how well the gay coke head Jew Zelensky (son of Soros?) is being used as the focal point to sell the war – he is lecturing and demanding from other western nations help and they pitifully comply because all western leaders are pathetic groveling Ziowhores.

    These wars of pitting Goyim nations against each other are Rabbinic wet dreams. Only fools play the game of self destruction – when they ought to figure it out and start bombing Israel back into the stone age so not one stone is upon another. And if you disagree you are some sort of Bibletard and have your head so far up the Rabbi’s ass you are clueless as to the real politik. The simple fact is that Israel is an existential threat to all other nations and the world needs to wake up and deal with them on a stern military basis and quit kowtowing to their imagined victimhood.

    • Agree: Kim, Ralph B. Seymour
  80. @anonymous

    Maybe the incompetent crooks in charge of Venezuela will finally realize they need to diversify their economy like Russia has, while keeping the welfare of their own citizens first. Mind you, I don’t support that CIA stooge Guaido; they just need to get rid of Maduro.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
    , @Showmethereal
  81. jef says:

    All you need to do to understand how America benefits is to understand the logic of this statement oft repeated from the past and present US treasury Secs.

    “…Larry Summers wants 10 million people to lose their jobs”

    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-why-larry-summers-wants-10-million-people-to-lose-their-job-11655800397

    Let me clarify for you;

    “…Larry Summers wants hundreds of millions of people to lose their jobs, homes, infrastructure, LIVES, so that the West can continue to live like they do”

  82. anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:

    The Islamic world led by the Shiites are waking up against Zionism and imperialism.

  83. Getaclue says:
    @anonymous

    Strong Lesbodian Vibe going on….

  84. the Elitecomminc troll’s comment is the most vapid statement in answer to Giraldi’s statements.
    and
    Gidoutahere (appreciate more care in the use of acronyms in my direction, appreciate it)

    Laughing.

    I can’t think of a more substantive direct response than

    Russia has challenged the right of the US to conduct relations with whatever country she so chooses. Excuse me, but that is direct threat to US sovereignty.

    There was no regional or direct threat to Russia by her former wives marrying up with the EU or NATO
    ———————————-

    Note: I don’t buy the price hikes and shortages are the result of what is happening in Europe. But for those who do, nations have justified war for far lesser causes.

    Don’t hate Pres Putin
    Don’t hate Russians
    Don’t hate Ukrainians
    Don’t hate Pres Zelenski

    ——————————

    And while I would prefer we spend money elsewhere — the matter is what it is. Goodness knows, I am owed a bundle laugh

    • Troll: A B Coreopsis
  85. Kim says:
    @Badger Down

    Typically dumb move by Chavez. During his reign, oil basically ranged from \$55 – \$180 a barrel.

  86. Getaclue says:
    @Fidelios Automata

    Hard to do with all guns “banned” and in Maduro’s, and his lackeys’, hands–exactly what Pelosi and the stinking Leftist scum and RINOs want in the USA — thus the manufactured murder of children while cops and Feds standby and intentionally let the murders happen– people need to wake up!!!

  87. Many want to fight but not everyone realizes the consequences. But God warns that this time it will be a mutual slaughter and a world war in more than just name. “The great power sword” will also be used. (Revelation 6:4) Jesus characterized him in this way: “A frightening things both and extraordinary (related to unusual phenomena) from sky powerful will be.” (Luke 21:11) Because of the use of these terrible weapons there will be significant tremors along the length and breadth of the regions [of strategic importance] and famines, and pestilences. Some ancient manuscripts contain the words “and frosts”. The Aramaic Peshitta: “and will be great frosts”. (Luke 21:11) We call this today “nuclear winter”. In Mark 13:8 there are also words of Jesus: “and disorders” (in the sense of confusion and chaos). The Aramaic Peshitta: “and confusion” (on the state of public order). This extremely detailed sign fits only one war. It won’t be Armageddon. “But all these things are a beginning of birth-pains.” (Matthew 24:8, DLNT) In the Book of Daniel, we read, “At the appointed time [the king of the north] will return back [Russian troops will return to where they were previously stationed. It also means means military actions, a major crisis, plus the break-up of the EU and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern block will return to a military alliance with Russia], and will enter into the south [because of ethnic conflict (Matthew 24:7)], but it will not be as the former [Georgia – 2008] or as the latter [Russia’s current military actions in Eastern Europe also will not evolve into WW3. This will happen only later, after Russia’s return], for the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the distant West] will come against him, and (he) will broke down [mentally], and will go back.” (11:29, 30a) And then “the great power sword” will be used. (Revelation 6:4)

  88. Hitch says:

    Ray McGovern is a progressive who I never really liked before. In this recent panel, he and Scott Ritter, also essentially a progressive, blow away any and all misconceptions about the Empire of Lies:

    Ritter is basically guaranteeing a Chinese invasion and take over of Taiwan before the end of the year. Lets just hope they wait until after the election, because just thinking about Joe Biden the wartime president with a demorat controlled congress is the stuff of nightmares.

    At least it appears that some lefties are waking up out of their decades old mass formation psychosis. First Germany and now Netherlands are going to crank up their coal fired power plants. The greens started this war in Ukraine, and now they are in full retreat…

    Netherlands activates energy crisis plan, removes cap on coal plants

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  89. Mr Giraldi reminds me of Father Coughlin and his radio show during the 30s.
    Speaking of which does any one know where one can find transcripts of his radios shows?

    • Replies: @true.enough
  90. @Jim H

    Yet not a peep of dissent from this sorry state of affairs is heard from either of the legacy political parties.

    What the hell does it take? How bad does it have to get?

    Bad enough for a substantial number of people to quit voting for more of the same Red+Blue Establishment.

    In the Exceptionally! propagandized USA, no Congre\$\$man has any reason to fear losing his lucrative position for slathering Big War or making Gold Star Families of his constituents.

    • Agree: WingsofADove
  91. EugeneGur says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    the US committed itself in honour to protect Ukraine when it gave up its nuclear weapons.

    Did the US also commit itself at the same time to organizing pro-Nazi coups in Ukraine? It organized two, one in 2004 and the other in 2014. The first one was relatively peaceful, and the consequences didn’t last long. But the second time around, they decided to go all out and put real Nazi jerks in change that started a civil war. Did the US also commit itself to supplying weapons to the Ukrainian junta, so they could kill civilians in Donbass for 8 years? If you call this “protecting”, something’s decidedly wrong with your vocabulary.

    the world, and above all America’s influence in it will change radically if Putin is allowed to win. Is there any chance it would be for the better?

    Putin won’t ask anyone’s permission, and Russia will win. If the America’s influence means supporting neo-Nazis, just as the US so far supported terrorists of all stripes, yes, the world will definitely change for the better when – not if – Russia wins. Understand one thing: Russia’s win will mean a win for the people of Ukraine. Not the junta with their million dollar mansions all over the world, but the people.

    the huge economic advantage the West has over Russia

    That “huge advantage” is not in evidence these days. The Europeans are running around squalling as frightened children without the Russian gas, and it’s not winter yet.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  92. Hitch says:
    @anonymous

    Don’t forget the ruling bimbos of Finland who are desperate to turn the country into a WWIII battlefield. I guess the Finnish men didn’t suffer enough in WWII already…

    Here is Sanna Marin again during the WEF “global future leaders” trauma based mind control program along with her cronies and “Jacinda” Ardern:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  93. @Kolya Krassotkin

    And that would be a beautiful day, when all of humanity turns on ZOG and moves in with torches and pitchforks for the final solution, followed by peace and prosperity.

  94. Arnieus says:
    @Ktulu

    You think it will just be on TV? There won’t be TV. There will be EMP.

  95. Do Americans really believe that bearing the burden of having something like 1,000 military bases scattered around the world really makes them safer?

    Just about all of the Americans that I know are dumb enough to believe that.

    What those 1,000 bases comprise is the virtual empire through which ZOG-GlomoHomoSchlmo attempts to control the world. The network of bases, banks, organizations like NATO and IMF, NGO’s – it’s quite a matrix. The ironic thing is, although it is huge, it might as well be invisible, because most Americans are too stupid to realize that it exists.

  96. JoeyI says:

    People read too much into why Biden’s handlers are acting this way. The simple fact is that they’re overrated and unqualified to be in their positions, which they gained through nepotism. They’re not as smart as we’re led to believe, a lot of them suffering from inbreeding. The best thing they do is BS and pat themselves on the back.

  97. Anonymous[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hitch

    Here is Sanna Marin again during the WEF “global future leaders” trauma based mind

    Sanna has two mommies. Finland’s Sanna Marin was raised by two lesbians, or as she calls it, “a rainbow family”.

    Sanna Marin, World’s Youngest PM, Is A Daughter Of Same Sex Parents

    https://www.shethepeople.tv/news/finland-sanna-marin-parents-rainbow-family/

    • Thanks: Hitch
    • LOL: Thim
    • Replies: @Hitch
  98. Cking says:

    Excellent Mr. Giraldi. At this time, when the American people ought to be focused on the reorganization of the Fed/Wall St. central, command, control system of the US economy, to stop the Greatest Depression, preserve the American standard of living, upgrading and utilizing the American Labor Force, instead of a Slave Labor Force, the DNC/MSM/Democratic Party incites Civil War at home and Communist/Imperial, Global Perpetual War on humanity.

    Presently, the Fed/Wall St. leadership may be taking instruction from the German Weimar era, Hjalmar Schacht’s school of political economy, planning to pay off the government and private sector debt through the inflation-debased dollar policy and simultaneously, look to expand its wealth and power through war. Since 1913, the Fed can only organize America’s wealth, money, and credit to wage war, because it is profitable for the banker-speculators.

  99. @Justrambling

    Dr. Giraldi must surely understand …

    Your first PG article?

  100. nadim says:

    Boycott the zionist Mick Jagger until he is financially ruined. Jagger is complicit in zionists’ crimes against humanity.

    Rolling Stones to perform in Israel despite pressure from Pink Floyd members to cancel
    Recently, two surviving founders of Pink Floyd sent the rock band equivalent of a diplomatic cable — an open letter published in Salon — to the Rolling Stones. They asked Mick Jagger and his crew to cancel their first-ever concert in Israel to demonstrate solidarity with the Palestinian people and their struggle against occupation.

    But Pink Floyd hit a wall.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @Niebelheim
  101. Arnieus says:

    Karen Kwiatkowski in an article at LewRockwell summed it up best.

    “Can NATO and the US – intent on controlling Russia and her bounty, expanding the Davos global serf model to 12 more time zones as a means of resolving the coming collapse of the petrodollar, and to salvage a US oligarchy that has written \$230 Trillion in bad checks – be satisfied with such an end-state for Ukraine?”

    The “end-state for Ukraine” she refers to is a peaceful breakup into smaller countries like Yugoslavia did. That would leave Russia standing.

    There is no benefit for American people in any of these wars, win or lose. However the big-money banker clans have all their chips on the table. They can’t fold. The “great reset” in in peril. Their dollars are just as imaginary as ours.

  102. GMC says:

    A very good read and honest synopsis of the Ukrainian conflict – leading up to the Liberation Spec. Ops is by a French Swiss man – { X Military } He also touches on how Switzerland has done a 180 in regards to neutrality.
    Jacques Baud – interview with German journalist on the Postil Magazine April 2022. It’s definitely worth the read and I read it from Yandex ru

  103. By that I mean deep thinkers about social issues who would not be able to run a hot dog stand if that were what they were forced to do to make a living.

    That’s the problem. In the whole West.

  104. @Observator

    I liked Jimmy Carter, the peanut farmer; he was a decent man but he was out of his depth. The Iranian revolution and the American hostage crisis made him look like a looser. After the helicopter rescue mission to extract the hostages failed, his second term became a bargaining chip ( a mistake ) by the Iranian regime.

    • Replies: @2stateshmoostate
  105. SafeNow says:

    No one has grasped the psychological aspect better than William James. He wrote that the effect of war is that it makes many people feel more alive, alert, and awake. In James’ words, it “redeem[s] life from flat degeneration.” It supplies meaning and purpose, transcending the monotony of everyday life. As James puts it, “Life seems cast upon a higher plane of power.”

    In short, rational justifications do not exist. The explanations lie in the unconscious. It’s the William James alive/alert force. Second, it’s the Jewish mental state whereby irresolvable conflict puts a spring in the heel. Third, it’s “the biological imperative” of territorial acquisition.

    Troll me, cuck me, hate me, but when rational motives do not exist, one must look elsewhere.

    • Thanks: mark green
  106. Phibbs says:

    What Mr. Giraldi and other rationalists do not understand is the evangelical angle. I used to be a Born-Again Christian, I got out of the evangelical cult, which was a miracle, as few do. Anyway, evangelicals basically worship Israel. “Israel is the apple off God’s eye,” is an evangelical mantra. And evangelicals are 25% of the U.S. population. Evangelicals support a war against Iran. They even support Israeli oppression of Palestinian Christians because in the Born-Again Christian mind, only fellow evangelicals are true Christians. So they feel no kinship with Mideast Christians, most of whom are Coptic or Catholic. A few months ago, Kayleigh McEnany, a braying Born-Again Christian said on FOX News that Biden had to be strong” with Russia and Vladimir Putin. Like almost all evangelicals, she has the same venom for Caucasian-Christian Russia that Jews have. Former secretary of state, Mike Pompeo was a typical evangelical: He put the interests of Israel before the interests of the American people. Treason is what Born-Again Christians do. Treason and support of terrorism are what evangelicals are. And they don’t care if World War Three is the result of evangelical militarism because that just means Jesus will return, Besides, all evangelicals will be “raptured”/taken to Heaven bodily before disaster strikes the Earth. In addition, “700 Club” founder and spokesman, Pat Robertson, like most evangelicals, follows the evangelical school of eschatology: In it, Russia is “Gog,” which is destined to attack evangelicals’ beloved Israel. The Bible says so, don’t you know? Robertson has 30 million Born-again Christian viewers a day. Thus, you know why evangelicals hate Russia. Not all evangelicals are so Satanic — but 90% are. An article below shows one obscure pastor trying to reason with evangelicals in an article. Sadly, evangelicals are totally irrational; therefore, his reasoning will stay in the spiritual wilderness.

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    BLC is an author, speaker, scholar, and global traveler, who holds graduate degrees in Theology & Intercultural Studies from Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, and received his doctorate in Intercultural Studies from Fuller. He is the author of Undiluted: Rediscovering the Radical Message of Jesus, and Unafraid: Moving Beyond Fear-Based Faith.

    No, The Bible Doesn’t Command We “Stand With Israel”

    Benjamin L. Corey

    When reporting or lamenting over the gross human rights violations and genocide by the modern state of Israel against the Palestinian people, many Christians immediately freak the heck out.

    In fact, I am often told that I am “not a Christian” because I dare criticize the state of Israel’s behavior, as if blind support of a modern nation state were an obligation of being a True Christian™.

    Upon being stripped of my membership card in Christianity, many of these “internet Bible scholars” quickly remind me: God commands us to stand with Israel! But is that even true?

    I mean, for those of us who grow up in EvangelFundamentalism we’re taught that from day one– but just because our childhood pastor taught us this, and just because Grandma believed it, doesn’t make it true.

    There has been a resurgence of voices claiming God commands us to stand with Israel since President Trump unveiled his “peace plan” for Israel and Palestine, which isn’t a plan for peace at all and is something that Christians and people of good will should overwhelmingly oppose.

    As your Bible Explainer in Chief, let me quickly break it down for you– because no, the Bible doesn’t command we stand with Israel.

    1. The entire “stand with Israel” theology is based on one verse, and the verse had nothing to do with any modern nation state born a few thousand years later.
    Preachers will claim God commands we stand with Israel in order to be blessed, but that’s not what the Bible says. In Genesis 12:3 God is reported to have told Abraham, “I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.” This was a promise to Abraham– neither biblical Israel nor modern Israel existed when this was written. It was a promise to Abraham as part of God’s covenant with him.

    2. The Bible teaches that the true descendants of Abraham are spiritual, not ethnic.
    The same preachers say, “Yes! It was a promise to Abraham and that extends to his descendants- Israel” but that’s not the whole story, either. The Bible actually teaches that “not all that descended from Israel belong to Israel” (Romans 9:6) and that a true descendant of Abraham is not ethnic but a citizenship of the heart (Romans 2:29).

    Israel as a nation state is not what the Bible talks about when it talks about Israel. The New Testament Israel is comprised of all those who accept the King of Israel: Jesus.

    3. Not even the prophets in the Bible blindly stood with Israel– including Jesus.
    The biblical prophets are the last people who would seem “pro-Israel” because they were constantly rebuking Israel for bad behavior. And they didn’t hold back forceful language, either– some wrote that God utterly hated every expression of their religion because they were ignoring justice for the poor and marginalized. In fact, when God spoke through the prophet Jeremiah he actually says that because Israel did not keep the covenant made with him, that he divorced her (Jer 3:8).

    On top of the prophets, remember that Jesus was executed as a traitor and a threat to Israel.

    4. The Bible doesn’t command we blindly support people who are committing evil acts.
    This is a concept we seem to understand in day-to-day life, but all logic goes out the window when it comes to standing with Israel. For example, yes– God wants one to be faithful to their family, but does that mean you stand by and support them if they want to drive drunk? Do you support them if they want to shoot their neighbor and steal their car? Of course not- that’s nonsense.

    Blindly supporting Israel would be like supporting a friend or family member regardless of their behavior, and nowhere in the Bible does it tell us to loyally follow someone even when they commit evil.

    Israel is an apartheid state where the indigenous people are oppressed and victims of untold daily discrimination and violence; it is a state that offers government subsidized abortions regardless of the reason– something I would think conservative Christians would take issue with, a place where Christians have had to petition the government so that they can walk down the street without being spat upon by Israelis, a place where Christian places of worship are routinely attacked; a place where Palestinian children are mercilessly oppressed and even slaughtered, and a nation that is consistently rebuked by the international community for human rights violations that would not be tolerated anywhere else in the world.

    Any theology that tells you to support all that in the name of God is theology straight from the pit of the Evil One himself.

    The bottom line: What the world calls Israel is NOT what the Bible calls Israel. The world is referring to a nation state that was created just a generation ago– the Bible is talking about the people of Abraham, which are a spiritual people who have accepted their king: Jesus. It’s not a people group one is born into, but a people group you join by pledging your allegiance to Jesus.

    So is standing with Israel a biblical concept? No. In fact, the stronger biblical case would be standing in opposition to Israel’s ungodly behavior

    • Agree: Cking
    • Replies: @Kurt Knispel
  107. I agree with the article and oppose us militarism . I do have a sincere question about the assertion that the US constitution makes clear that the founders only agreed to a standing military for defense or insurrection. While it may be historically true that this is the case, it is not obvious in the text of section 8. I would appreciate a reference to an argument for this idea.

  108. anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    ignorance…or stupidity…they live it.

    😀 Indeed!

    Not just the Americans, mind you. Their racial brothers and cousins too. The whitevil Christian world, the only Christian world which matters to them anyway. The other perceived “lowlifes” are required for numbers padding only.

    The whitevil Christians indeed live the ignorant and stupid ideology of pagan polytheist mangods-worship. “god” is 100% man and 100% “god,” 3 persons in 1 “god,” “god” reincarnated/tabernacled into his son, and so on. They actually exult in this pathetic mind-bending shit.

    It would be difficult to find a more barbaric and loathsome kind of human vermin, when those “civilised” masks are peeled off.

  109. If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans

    None of this madness can be “understood” except from a Biblical perspective, IMO. That is, the corrupt West is run by a cult of demon-possessed, devil-worshiping, theistic Satanists who’ve launched a spiritual war of aggression against all of humanity, apparently seeking to fulfill the agenda described in Isaiah 14:13,14. IOW the cult seeks to proselytize the whole world for Satan; that is, to do to everyone, everywhere what Satan did to Eve.

    If evil is to triumph over good everywhere on earth, then anyone or anything that can’t be corrupted must be physically destroyed. Thus any country which resists subsumption into the evil empire is isolated and attacked.

    Put simply, the Satanic U.S. “government” seeks to destroy Russia, for example, for the same reason that Cain murdered Abel. As I see it, you can take it as a spiritual axiom that a greater evil cannot tolerate a lesser evil.

  110. Hitch says:
    @Anonymous

    Mr. Giraldi asks: “how it would benefit Americans”

    Sanna Marin illustrates one side of the issue: straight, male US Marines dying in Ukraine and Syria doesn’t help “Americans”, but it does help LGBTQ+ Americans. But most of all, if you are one of the millions of “Americans” taking the shekel, then what is good for the Jews is good for you too.

  111. @Wizard of Oz

    Lizzard of Ooz,

    soon the Chinese will soften your stiff upper lip by teaching you puss how to clean the dungeons of the Chinese occupation forces in Australia and New Zealand. Yes you can and yes, there will be alternatives for you…

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  112. You know the time to have challenged the war was 2003Iraq and Afghanistan, both wasteful and unnecessary. That was the time to stand against war. Those mistakes led to the current situation.

    But as I recall, most US citizens ignored the obvious lack of evidence for war and as predicted — they amounted to failures. Not because the US was militarily ineffective, but because holding and managing two countries minus the force required failed. And failed entirely – leaving the US over exposed.

    So that now when confronted directly, we are faced with a mess, because most of the country simply lacks the will. If threat of nuclear war is the nexus of policy then the US is in serious trouble Because there will always be threat of war and threat of nuclear war.

    And Russia as China has will claim territorial authority over lands in their supposed space and demand the US bow to their will.

  113. @Phibbs

    Unfortunately I have met that species: absolute hypocrites!
    Blindfolded sheep and hyena (priests & politicians) of the negative force! Judaism!
    The moment ev(il)angels encounter their sick Jew loyalty is the moment they will have to question the history of the Jewnighted States and especially The First and The Second Jewish World War with help or on the back of dishonest, blind, emotionally coward white folks. They are afraid of truth.
    Dishonest folk can not stand in honesty. It is too painful to see the truth and own mistakes. They can not stand it and can not stand loosing the community and being alone, standing alone.
    You did it. Congratulations!

  114. Don’t worry people.

    China and Japan got your back. They own most of your debt. And they are the smartest nations in the world so they know what they are doing.

    When the US collapses, they will come, collect your assets and settle everything and everywhere. And then you will assimilate.

    You will become like the ancient Egyptians.

    The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.

    Race of the future
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_of_the_future

    The same will happen to Europe so don’t worry about that. Think about the positive side of that – you still have the highest salaries in the world. Be proud of that.

    The Coudenhove-Kalergi Foundation
    https://www.coudenhove-kalergi-society.eu/en/the-society/

    The European Society Coudenhove-Kalergi has awarded Chancellor Angela Merkel the European Prize.

    • Replies: @CelestiaQuesta
  115. “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” — Bibi Netanyahu

    Ukrainam Song Lyrics
    Country Joe And The Fish(modified)

    Well come on all of you big strong men, Uncle Sam needs your help again,
    he got himself in a terrible jam, way down yonder in Ukrainian,
    put down your books and pick up a gun, we’re gunna have a whole lotta fun.

    CHORUS
    and its 1,2,3 what are we fightin for?
    don’t ask me i don’t give a damn, the next stop is Ukrainam,
    and its 5,6,7 open up the pearly gates. Well there aint no time to wonder why…WHOPEE we’re all gunna die.

    —————

    So what are we fighting for? GAY DISCO

    https://kevinbarrett.heresycentral.is/2022/06/ukraine-money-laundry/

    ————–

    Quentin Tarantino explains gay theme in movie Top Gun

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  116. Pixo says:

    “ Explain It to Me, Please”

    We are showing the impotence of your favored team of America-hating dictatorships without a single American casualty.

    We are grinding down Russia’s military, and it is too weak and isolated to ever replace it.

    We are finding a useful purpose for Soviet Era weapons our allies in Eastern Europe still have: they donate them to Ukraine whose army has already trained on them, and get new NATO high quality replacement arms. Win-Win-Win for the good guys!

  117. @Philip Giraldi

    The main cause was the Poolish had been slaughtering Germans on a large scale. The white books resp. rainbow book (Switzerland) of differing countries’ foreign departments and embassies estimated up to 65.000 Germans killed and approx. one million Germans violated and chased out of their homelands by the Poolish fascists up till August 1039. That is why Hitler said: “now we are shooting back.” Danzig was compromised by the Poolish fascists the way Russia is now suffering with Lithuania by having to supply Kaliningrad via the Baltic Sea. Hitler had accepted the Danzig cut off and was even prepared to surrender further German territories to the brazen Poolish. It was not enough for them. They kept up their evil deeds and are crying to this very day how they have been victims of evil Germany.
    I am pleased the way things are going for the Poo right now:
    “Our war against the Russian Federation is lost. Kaczynski resigned.”
    https://www.pravda.ru/world/1720564-polska_kaczynski/

  118. Hitch says:

  119. @Wayne Lusvardi

    The only country left that celebrates its European and Eurasian roots. A country where white people can hold their heads high and celebrate their many achievements in all disciplines. Russia is the last proud Christian country still standing tall. Good for them.

  120. @terryindorset

    Not much choice when it’s automatically deducted from our paychecks.

  121. First off Nukes are fiction, no evidence exists of real operating nukes. Second America’s budget means squat when they pour money into shyte equipment, vaccinate their soldiers and feminize the military.
    If you can’t see the west is being set up to lose and lose big you are half retarded and no student of real history. War requires manufacturing capabilities and the US destroyed the USA’s manufacturing.
    Holocaust..Sacrificed by fire.. did it to Germany and Japan now it’s America’s turn as the most recent victim of Rothschild Talmudic supremacism and usury, bled dry and no longer of any use but as cannon fodder, they’ll gladly sacrifice every one of you to see the greater Israel project become reality, it’s an insane fantasy born of an insane race of khazars, killing you at home and you’ll still go die for them because Americans are the most brainwashed people on Earth.

  122. Emslander says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Russia would get a lot more, if it were voluntary.

  123. Miro23 says:
    @neutral

    If you disagree can you name a single thing the US regime offers that is beneficial to whites?

    From the 1980’s (for 50 years now) the US elite has offered regular Americans cheap Asian sourced products. Wal Mart’s “Always Low Prices”. US citizens were redefined as economic entities “consumers” and the vast profits on the difference between US selling prices and Asian production costs was collected by US corporations – with part delivered to the public as ever lower prices.

    It was enabled by the internet, and it across the board destroyed US manufacturing + the many associated jobs/supply chains.

    It couldn’t go on forever. The Chinese now have rising costs and wages. The replacement of US wage income with rising debt has reached the limit with new debt feeding into inflation – so the “cheap consumer stuff” deal has collapsed but the debt remains and is unsustainable at historically normal interest rates.

    The elite are also still there and it looks like they want the distraction of a war – or an exit from the US to their pre-prepared bolt holes. From now on the US is only going to bring them problems.

    • Replies: @Onebelowall
  124. geokat62 says:
    @Wayne Lusvardi

    Except many might prefer sending money to Russia as the only Christian and anti-Oligopolist option left.

    You’ve succinctly explained what’s at stake in WWIII… a mop up operation after WWI and WWII.

  125. @EliteCommInc.

    You sound like Victoria Noodleman meets Henry Kissanigger at a drag Queen GlobalHomo convention. Saw hello to (((Barbara Specter))) and all the other kosher whores peddling fentanyl and WMD to every corrupt Zionist run caliphate getting anal screwed, who will own nothing and be happy and gay.

    • LOL: A B Coreopsis
  126. anonymous[261] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Looking at these fugly albino dykes, I remember catching this old movie recently, 4 weddings and a funeral. What struck me was how ugly almost all of these so-called “anglo-saxon” characters were. The common British folk.

    Ok, perhaps not the main character, but he did prove to be a filthy ho-fucking degenerate. Pretty face, ugly character.

    My point is, where does this inordinate gloating about the “oh-so-beautiful” albino mofing race come from?

    Just take the average whitevil scum and paint him/her a dark hue, he/she would look just like the average “dotnigger” or “sandnigger.” No?

  127. GenFranco says:
    @Hoyeru

    “Come on, yet another 100% useless, time wasting “article” on UNZ.”

    Which you read, but to which you offered no substantive reply.

    What was that you said about people who “know everything”?

  128. @Here Be Dragon

    Wow, I can’t wait to have a few black babies so when they look at my white self and think I’m a racist, I can proudly say, I’m not a racist, I have two black babies that I bought for ten thousand dollars..
    And if anyone says ‘that’s Slavery” or “indentured servitude”, I’m going to say no, that’s “black lives matter”, and then I’ll point out Magic Negroz Obama, and Neil deGrasse Tyson as proof blacks are the future of humanity. /s

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  129. @Hitch

    Thanks 😀
    Scott is definitely on a roll again.

    – Vlad will take Kharkow, Dniepropetrowsk and Odessa (at minimum).
    – If he is serious about “de-Nazification” he is attacking the mantilla.
    – Those Ukie “missing” may well be deserters, and the Ruskies know full well
    where they are.
    If the little homo is tried in the DPR (fat chance) he will be hanged,
    not shot.
    – The Japanese wouldn´t bring up the Kurils without US pressure; and without
    US pressure the Russians would cede the fisheries which is all the Japanese
    are interested in anyway – they just might get on their hind legs.
    – Taiwan is the question mark; but the Ukraine is definitely the textbook example
    of what happens when you let USrael fuck around in your provinces too long.
    – If Germany and France gave the Ukies secret guarantees while touting Minsk
    (and it seems inescapable) the rot is deeper than imagined.

    (just little things I noticed, I´m in full agreement)

    • Agree: Hitch
  130. The JEW/WASP Ruling Class of the American Empire is a clear and present threat to the safety, security and sovereignty of the United States of America.

    ABOLISH NATO NOW

    GERMANY AND JAPAN MUST GET NUCLEAR DETERRENTS NOW

  131. @CelestiaQuesta

    Be part of the future of humanity and watch this :

    • LOL: CelestiaQuesta
  132. ” . . . rationalists do not understand is the evangelical angle. I used to be a Born-Again Christian, I got out of the evangelical cult, which was a miracle, as few do. Anyway, evangelicals basically worship Israel. “Israel is the apple off God’s eye,” is an evangelical mantra. And evangelicals are 25% of the U.S. population. Evangelicals support a war against Iran. They even support Israeli oppression of Palestinian Christians because in the Born-Again Christian mind, only fellow evangelicals are true Christians. So they feel no kinship with Mideast Christians, most of whom are Coptic or Catholic.”

    Apparently, you have not been ’round thee parts long. Dr Giraldi is very familiar with this aspect of faith believed by some. I encourage you to take a few steps back and review his articles regarding
    israeli – jewish and christian (relations, and it is not just evangelicals).

  133. A photo proves that China has genocided the Uyghurs – all of them. Xinjiang is devoid of life now.
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1268213.shtml?id=11

    The US must step up and stop China before she drains the Pacific Ocean.

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  134. @Jim Christian

    “You’re a daisy if you do.”

  135. neutral says:
    @Al Liguori

    If China is ZOG then can you explain all the propaganda being produced by other ZOG states against it?

    • Thanks: Ghan-buri-Ghan
  136. @EliteCommInc.

    it’s clear our mucking was to counter Russia’s mucking

    No, that’s not clear at all. Russia and the Ukraine emerged from the USSR in 1991. Since then, Russia has mucked only 200 km to the east, while the US is in the middle of the wrong continent.
    I might agree with you if Russia had couped Mexico and filled it with guns and bombs.

    “Who’s to blame when situations degenerate? Disgusting things you’d never anticipate!” The US, of course. Same as last time and the time before that.

    • Agree: mark green
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  137. fran says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But what about Russia having at least tried negating the (bogus) existential threat

    Why are you choosing to ignore the Minsk Agreement that was signed by Ukraine and sponsored by France & Germany? How is it acceptable for Ukraine to completely ignore the peace agreement that was explicitly designed to prevent this kind of conflict? This is akin to being upset at the police for shooting at you after you just shot up a school.

    the sanctions Russia could have applied to Ukraine in lieu of smashing it to pieces and killing thousands of civilians

    What about the thousands of ethnic Russian civilians who were killed and publicly targeted for genocide for years before the Russian military intervened?

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  138. @anonymous

    How do you say “Male hating Butch Dykes” in Lithuanian and Finnish?

    This is what happens when we let GlobalHomo and their ZioBIGsRxMIC3BLM PIGs turn against a heterosexual world.

    What do you get when you mix GlobalHomo with Magic Negroz?

    A. black drag queens.
    B. Michelle Obama
    C. Star roles in everything (((Hollywood)))
    D. All above

    It’s story time children. Pull down your panties, you’ve been bad bad bad, slappy slappy slap time.

  139. @JoaoAlfaiate

    The USSR lost 20-25 million people in WW2 in a war initiated by Nazi Germany

    That’s inaccurate (and simplistic) history, Joao. It’s like saying Russia initiated the current war on the unsuspecting population of Ukraine and bears responsibility for all the deaths taking place. A great deal led up to it in both cases, in which the ‘attacker’ nation felt it was left with no choice but to carry out a preventative attack to ward off a disaster it rightly believed was coming.

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @fran
  140. bing0 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    The same counts for the EU. I have read this evening the rebuilding of Ukraine will cost billions, and the EU feels responsible for this, so they want to pay the larger part of that future growing bill. And i just think ‘wtf?’. Why should WE feel responsible for this proxy war organised by NATO/USA? What is the deeper agenda behind this, besides corruption, more power and control?

  141. @Al Liguori

    Hi Al!

    But why didn’t Goldman Sachs’ Jews get untethered access to China’s investment economy? Btw, the Zionist Trump administration wanted this deal very badly.

  142. JR Foley says:
    @anonymous

    They are digging coal in Germany Greta —must keep cool in summer and warm during winter—-

  143. notme says:
    @emerging majority

    Perhaps the lunatic haters, that wield so much power they can’t be either challenged or criticised in any way. Actually want nuclear/ biological armageddon because their insane faith tells them that as special chosen of/ by god. They will escape the holocaust, to survive and delight in the suffering of the un chosen cattle?
    I follow Mr Green at Know more news, who actually reports on what THEY themselves say.

  144. @Wizard of Oz

    No, the US hasn’t become more civilised since it attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya.

  145. Supergoy says:

    If countries don’t use U.S. Dollars we can’t “pay back” the \$30 T we owe. So everyone has to die in service to smoting Rus and then surrounding China with bombs until they see the wisdom of a planetary dollar system like the old days when Wally and the Beav ran Maple Street. Look at how much interest we paid annually when rates were zero, about \$400 Billion. If that gets worse it will be difficult to pay for the Navy. And then we can’t control the world and get great deals on resources and ears for our necklaces. So war now rather than war later.

    • Replies: @Wokechoke
  146. neprof says:
    @Joe Levantine

    “Ray McGovern called it MICIMATT (Military, Industrial, Congressional, Intelligence, Media, Academic, Think Tank).”

    Can add one more “M”, Medical. Printed money used to buy crap vaccines, profits by which buys TV adds that supports the Media. The made-up money goes in a circle between the aforementioned entities. Pretty cleaver scheme.

  147. MORE US military speaking OUT! Col, Richard Black

    • Thanks: Chuck Orloski
  148. @nadim

    I turned off to the Stones when they self-cancelled Brown Sugar.

  149. “No, that’s not clear at all. Russia and the Ukraine emerged from the USSR in 1991. Since then, Russia has mucked only 200 km to the east, while the US is in the middle of the wrong continent.
    I might agree with you if Russia had couped Mexico and filled it with guns and bombs.

    “Who’s to blame when situations degenerate? Disgusting things you’d never anticipate!” The US, of course. Same as last time and the time before that.”

    Mexico is already loaded with guns and bombs. I could make all the right arguments about why the US should not engage in regime change unless we are at war. But we have agendas. Whether I agree with those agendas is one matter. The US aided one side in a discussion regarding Ukraine, the Russian s supported another. Their side lost. now they want to change the game by engaging in an invasion.

    And in doing so they have claimed that they would use WMD to prevent the US from having relations with Ukraine. Ukraine has every right to defend herself. We have every right to sup[port her and her journey as a sovereign nation. Your comments suggest a rather short view of Ukraine Russia history. Ukraine has had several revolutions in their history since they were independent, much of it fueled around corruption — and don’t tell anyone, but that corruption existed even when the Russia friendly government was in power. So Russia’s influence had little impact on the corruption then, there’s little evidence that it will have any now. in fact, I will go a step further, the history of degeneracy as you call it, is one inherited by the Soviet Union and then Russia.

    Russia has neonazis, prostitutes, same relational practitioners, gambling, and no doubt “cross dressers” and the like.

    In any case, Ukraine is a sovereign country and she is entitled to have relations with whom she chooses. Establish for herself what will be the official national language, vote for west friendly jewish presidents, join the EU, join NATO, sing and dance the jig on Tuesdays she likes. The fact that Russia doesn’t like it is basically an

    “ok and a so what”

    and by the way, when the Soviet Union ended their tenure of control, Ukraine had plenty of guns and bombs left in the wake. In fact, the Russians and her satellites, including Ukraine like many of the major players were no less egregious in funneling arms across the globe and I suspect that the gun runners are none to exhausted. Given the prevalence of Russian gangs in the US running guns, drugs and prostitutes’, I have little doubt they are more than happy to participate in Mexico.

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2001/may/28/20010528-023346-7901r/

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1997/09/29/russian-mob-drug-cartels-joining-forces/b838dca0-5717-4c91-9d07-b798a435544d/

    1997, you don’t say. Most of us here don’t even mention the Russian mafia because to even reference them is suggest . . . well, gulp.

    Stop pretending that Russia is a saint in wolves clothing. She uses the tools at her disposal to advance her agenda. Your comprehension of Russian ambitions are peculiar since the Kremlin has repeatedly stated her agenda, plain as day. And few are as naive as I about the level of filth engaged in international relations, but I am certain, it goes on. And while I may abhor some tactics, its clear, it part and parcel to the competitive nature of nations.

    It is clear. But when Russia entered the fray in the ME on behalf of Syria the UIS did not threaten Russia with nuclear war for interfering. I thought the move very astute. But no one dictates to the US with whom and how she may have relations with other countries by threat of war and to threaten nuclear war —- uhh that’s a game changer and a direct threat.

    And don’t tell anyone, but the US is in the ME for the same reasons other countries, including Russia are there – the oil and other minerals still matter.

    The same applies to Ukraine we have regional, economic ambitions as well as strategic goals so a direct threat is a cause to act in kind. The wrong continent is a matter of strategic opinion.

    ————————————

    I was all for getting out of NATO, until March. And I opposed the invasions’ of Iraq and Afghanistan to no small consequence, and I stand by that position. In fact, I think had we not failed there, Russia would not have invaded Ukraine. The strategic landscape would be vastly different

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  150. @neutral

    GlobalHomo did not originate in America, it too was imported by Kosher pervs in their quest for usury domination.

  151. @Ron Unz

    Thanks. Fuller is obviously not like the thicos that I referred to, too many of whom appear in UR heads. But he starts by acknowledging Putin’s guilt and it shouldn’t be forgotten what Putin is actually doing to a country which was unwise enough to rely on protection in return for giving up nuclear weapons. And I have just been sent a note which says

    Graham Fuller hasn’t been paying attention to what Putin has been saying, which makes his assertions look silly.

    It remains objectively true that Eastern European cou tries with experience of Russian dominance sought NATO membership. It is equally objectively true that NATO is no military threat to Russia and, as just a collection of small and medium sized countries with ageing in reasingly diverse populations never would be.

    Unfortunately as I noted on UR months ago sanctions against Russia
    may be quite ineffective and there are indeed unpleasant futures that are at least possible but while the crumbling error prone US still can I see no alternative to seeking to defeat Russia.
    PS I am pu,zled by the sudden failure of notifications of replies to my email address provided to UR and, also, mildly interested in their being a gold oblong shape around my name in Comments.

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  152. Noble47 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    But what about Russia having at least tried negating the (bogus) existential threat by imaginative diplomacy…

    The Russians really believe that Ukraine becoming part of NATO is an existential threat.

    Even the current Director of Central Intelligence (William Burns) stated in 2008, when he was US Ambassador to Russia, that the Russians were “neuralgic” about Ukraine. Later, Burns also sent a cable to Condalezza Rice, when she was NSC advisor, stating that Ukraine becoming part of NATO was “the brightest of red lines” for the Russians.

    Whether anyone else thinks that Ukraine becoming a member of NATO is or isn’t an existential threat to Russia, isn’t particularly important. The Russians clearly view it as an existential threat, and western leaders would be foolish to ignore the fact.

    …and, BTW, Article 5 of the NATO charter isn’t all it’s often cracked up to be. The actions taken by other NATO countries to an attack on one NATO member is entirely up to them. They are not obliged to take military action to protect the NATO country being attacked.

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  153. Anymike says:
    @Ron Unz

    I variously bill myself as an political theorist, a geopolitical theorist, a social theorist or sometimes just an advanced thinker.

    My dogma say, at a minimum, NATO does not belong beyond the boundaries of the former Soviet Union, with the limited and specific exception of the Baltic republics.

    The foundation for a European settlement already exists in the form of the Helsinki Accords of 1976. I call Helsinki one of the foundational events of world history. People seem to like to jump in an mock Helsinki. I don’t know why. The problem with Helsinki is that it did not cover the boundaries of the republics that constituted the Soviet Union or the boundaries of the constituent nations of Yugoslavia because then was at the time both unnecessary and demmed beyond the scope of the issue that then existed.

    In any case, Helsinki defined the borders of every European nation west of the border of the Soviet Union.

    The West has wanted to treat the dissolution of the Soviet Union as a decolonization process akin to the decolonization of Africa In the African decolonization process, the Africa was told by the West, the colonial boundaries are going to be the nation boundaries regardless of how they cut across the existing tribal, ethnic, linguistic and religious boundaries or the boundaries of whatever historic nations existed there before colonization.

    The West has consistently refused to consider the issue of boundary adjustments between the former Soviet republics and perhaps also refused to unambiguously and publicly insist that the former Warsaw Pact nations treat the Helsinki boundaries as inviolable and categorically renounce their territorial claims in the east.

    Upholding the Helsinki boundaries would be a big inducement to the Ukrainian regime to bargain because it would mean that the West would not support the claims of the various Eastern European nation to current Ukrainian territory.

    Strictly speaking, terms can be dictated to Ukraine and to any other Eastern European country and should be if necessary. Ukraine has nothing to say about whether it can be in NATO or not. If an agreement is reached between Russian and the West regarding what NATO is and what its extent is, Ukraine has nothing to say about. Ukraine’s agreement is not required.

    A second stage of the Postwar European strategic settlement is needed. It has to reaffirm the Helsinki boundaries It has to define with who belongs to NATO and who doesn’t. It has to rectify the territorial transfers that took place within the Soviet Union that were dictated from Moscow. Notably, that mean recognizing the Crimea as Russian territory.

    Am I saying that Ukraine and some of the nations of the former East Bloc are the transgressors in the present European strategic situation? guess I am. Am I saying, the European settlement has essentially has to be dictated to the rest of Europe by the victorious powers? Well, yes. The Ukrainian regimes doesn’t get to decide whether it belongs in NATO or not, Nor do the European neutrals. The alternative is, cede war and peace to the minor powers. Their record is not good. Not during the lifetime of anyone alive today, young or old.

  154. Note: I am certainly an advocate of free speech. however, i would prefer that one leave the colorful references out of responses to my comments. I get it, it’s good to vent, but some vents are better left to your screen and left kept from the keyboard. I thought I had responded to this previously – excuse the delay

    “You sound like Victoria Noodleman meets Henry Kissanigger at a drag Queen GlobalHomo convention. Saw hello to (((Barbara Specter))) and all the other kosher whores peddling fentanyl and WMD to every corrupt Zionist run caliphate getting anal screwed, who will own nothing and be happy and gay.”

    I am afraid you find that Mrs. Kagan (Victoria Nuland) and myself are on opposite sides of the fence on the use of force and most foreign policy issues that center around regime change.

    I am unfamiliar with Sec State Kissinger’s views regarding african americans.

    I have no experience with men who dress like women or vice versa – except perhaps on one occasion and it was not one in which any relational intimacy occurred. I oppose the US policy regarding the disposition of same relational conduct — none of our business. But it is not a valid reason to invade Ukraine.

    I am not very familiar with Mrs. Barbara Specter, the fact that she is jewish is of small consequence to me, it’s a matter of where they stand stands with respect to the US.

    There are only three countries that have threatened the use of WMD ‘s during active conflict or as precursors:

    Pakistan
    India
    Russia

    Zionism is a Jewish Israeli matter. And while said group may be overly influential on US policy in some circumstances, I am dubious that the US is taking orders from Israel. Clearly the guidance concerning Iraq and Afghanistan was woefully inadequate.

    Your are pressing several issues here in closing i can only state, I prefer women, long legs and thin . . . single, celibate and still hold that capitalism as delineated by Joseph Smith is the best form of economy — with his emphasis on honest and fair dealings. And I lean in the direction of the new testament

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  155. Wokechoke says:
    @Supergoy

    The Rise and Fall of US Seapower: 1776-2022. Volume III: 1990 t0 2022. From the Gulf to the Crimea and the China Sea.

    By John Mearsheimer and John Mosier.

  156. @Rev. Spooner

    My problem with Carter and any other president who came after the Kennedy murders is that they didn’t spill the beans about who really did it when they had the chance. How do you explain that?
    A real American patriot who cared about the future of his country would have done what ever it took to end the criminal regime that controls the US.

  157. fran says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Germany had defensible reasons for war against Poland and Britain, but its invasion of Russia was predicated on conquest of resources and land.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  158. barr says:

    “They do not need passports to enter Ghana. All they need is their U.S. Army identity cards. They don’t even require visas to enter Ghana. They are not subject to customs or any other inspection.”
    Ghana has allowed the United States armed forces “to use Ghanaian radio frequencies for free,” Pratt said. But the most stunning fact about this arrangement is that, he said, “If U.S. soldiers kill Ghanaians and destroy their properties, the U.S. soldiers cannot be tried in Ghana. Ghanaians cannot sue U.S. soldiers or the U.S. government for compensation if and when their relatives are killed, or their properties are destroyed by the U.S. Army or soldiers.”– https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/06/17/why-does-the-united-states-have-a-military-base-in-ghana/
    US military has it’s own set of demands .Wall Street has different list .
    Soon the LGBT will have one in addition to the list of Graham kind of Evangelicals.

    These are the reasons US goes to war for .

  159. US Occupation forces steal not only Syrian oil but also Syrian grain. Control of Food and Energy is US global strategy but Russia has shown it has a stronger hand

  160. This assertion is woefully lacking in precision:

    A trade war with China would be a disaster for the US economy, which is heavily dependent on Chinese manufactured goods….

    In what way? Please be specific.

    I am unsure that your phrase “for the … economy” actually means anything. For the economy in what sense? For the economy by what metric? And why should Americans care?

    [MORE]

    Meanwhile:

    1. The United States is heavily dependent because the United States imports too much.

    2. The chief process of a trade war would be for the United States to import less.

    Isn’t importing less what you want? If not, why not?

    Or do you disagree with point 1, point 2 or both? If so, why?

    (I would not recommend answering by changing the subject from U.S. imports to U.S. exports, incidentally. Confused persons do this sometimes. For one thing, imports exceed exports in value; so on the face of the question, imports matter more. Besides, you have said it yourself: the U.S. depends on imported manufactures. Dependence on imported manufactures is hardly a problem the U.S. can export her way out of.)

    Either the U.S. should break her addiction to Chinese imports or the U.S. should not. One cannot have it both ways. Hazy terms like “trade war” are no adequate substitute for clear thinking on this point. Please choose: break the addiction; or don’t break the addiction.

    I’m for breaking it. I’d think that you would be, too.

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  161. Mevashir says:

    Mr Giraldi, I think it is a very serious mistake to characterize Mike Pompeo as “mentally unbalanced.” I think he’s extremely smart calculating and utterly ruthless. He’s more accurately characterized as a Christian Zionist Evangelical fanatic. Note that he was able to persuade the Israelis to cut back on their burgeoning commercial ties with mainland China. That is no small feat. He also lost 100 lb in a very short span of time after the 2020 election when Trump left office. He clearly is a person with tremendous willpower and strength of character. Your characterization of him is completely unfair and inaccurate.

    I wonder if you have any insight about the mysterious death of the Chinese ambassador to Israel right after Pompeo’s last visit there when he gave the Israelis an ultimatum to curtail their commercial activities with China. The ambassador was in his middle years in good health and died I think three days after Pompeo left Israel and returned to the States.

  162. Mevashir says:
    @Paul Greenwood

    Joseph Smith is the founder of the Mormon religion. He probably meant Adam Smith

  163. Mevashir says:
    @JoaoAlfaiate

    It would be a blessing if Putin escalates to nukes and puts ZOG America out of our collective misery. It will be a huge gift to the rest of the world especially the global south.

    There’s an ICBM base 30 mi to the east of where I live in Colorado. Every morning I walk out of my building and look to the East and wonder if today will be the day.

  164. Mei-Chao says:

    Indeed, it is impossible for you to cooperate with us (China). Either Biden or Trump will lose votes if he shows signs of detente with Russia and China. It seems to us that anti-China has become your consensus from top to bottom attributed to the populism (of course we have this problem too).

  165. Anon[829] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Israel has threatened to use nukes openly and secretly . Secretly in 1973 war .

    USA has used and has made threats to use against Soviet , China,Korea,Vietnam ,and against Iraq .

  166. @Miro23

    …an exit from the US to their pre-prepared bolt holes.

    Here’s the thing I wonder about: how long can these bolt holes/bunkers/etc. actually last? Wouldn’t supplies dwindle after a while? I also wonder who would guard these places and what’s to stop them from just taking over? It seems that our elites whole claim to power is the amount of wealth they have. Wouldn’t that wealth basically become worthless after a major calamity like WWIII?

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  167. @Al Liguori

    Anyone can say/write anything … on the Internet.

  168. nadim says:
    @Mevashir

    [Mr Giraldi, I think it is a very serious mistake to characterize Mike Pompeo as “mentally unbalanced.” clearly is a person with tremendous willpower and strength of character. ]

    You got it wrong. If he has the character you described, then he should have realized that investment on a terrorist organization, MEK, leads to nothing. He travels a long distance to give a bouquet of flowers to the head of that terrorist organization, Rajavi, for what? What is the achievement of MEK that he travels to Albania and meets with a figure who has NO influence in Iran or among Iranian people, unless there is other reasons for him to travel. One is to pocket thousands of dollars for his stupid propaganda at their meeting where no one pays any attention, only MBS since MBS pays his fees.
    He and many other Americans and European ‘former officials’ go to Albania to pocket thousands of dollars spreading propaganda to influence the Iranian politics or to influence Iranian people, but has reverse effect because MEK is hated among 85 millions of Iranian people. So, the only reason is MONEY and because he has lost 100 lb then then he needs the money badly to buy new outfits.

    What do you call these zionists who go to a terrorist organization gathering funded by the butcher
    MBS from Saudi Arabia? Can you call them anything other than TRAITORS?
    If you invest so much on MEK, hated by 85 million Iranians whom you want to influence, then you are ‘mentally unbalanced’
    Or you are a messenger boy receiving order from your superior to do the dirty job to go and say hello to MEK not to give up. Again only mentally unbalanced do it.

  169. @EliteCommInc.

    You’re so full of it … propaganda.

    Ukraine has every right to defend herself. We have every right to sup[port her and her journey as a sovereign nation.

    And what about Yugoslavia? That country was an independent sovereign nation throughout the period that Ukraine was not, and USA and NATO decided it shouldn’t exist. So Russia will now do the same to the Ukraine, break it up into smaller states it will absorb just like EU and NATO are absorbing ex-Yugoslav states. You’re an instrument of Western/US propaganda.

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  170. @IronForge

    China is too powerful to be conquered or pulled into line, which is why the Atlanticist elites’ preference is genocide.

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  171. @Mevashir

    That’s Israel’s loss.

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  172. @V. K. Ovelund

    Take away cheap Chinese stuff from the US loser class ie c.60% of the population, and you’ll soon have a revolution. I agree-please go ahead and do it.

  173. @Badger Down

    “I might agree with you if Russia had couped Mexico and filled it with guns and bombs.”

    I suppose their reasoning is that they have to fight them there so that they don’t have to fight them here. And the way things are going, eventually, one day, Russia probably will be arming Mexicans against Americans because USA armed the Ukrainians against Russians. You see all those colonial powers went to Africa and elsewhere to fight and kill all those primitive peoples so they wouldn’t one day have to fight them in their own countries. And now they do fight those peoples from their former colonies on the streets of their own countries. So how are they doing? The police are battling with the ex-colonials and maybe holding some ground, but reinforcements are pouring in, now even daily by boat to the UK. When they were crossing the Med to Italy did you think that one day they’d be continuing to cross the Channel by boat too? If you wanted a winning policy you should have chosen a different path a long time ago instead of like this ending up on the wrong side of history. Shame; it was good while it lasted, all the raping, robbing, and looting all over the world. But all things must come to an end and the good times are over.

  174. Mevashir says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Exactly. It’s very difficult to get the Israelis to do something against their own interests. How was Pompeo able to pull it off?

  175. @mulga mumblebrain

    I agree with the first half but what are you saying/implying by the second half? And what is the evidence? The CCP has done a much better job of genocide on their own people than could be envisaged by enemies if you include the one child policy and current birth rate.

  176. Miro23 says:
    @Onebelowall

    …an exit from the US to their pre-prepared bolt holes.

    Here’s the thing I wonder about: how long can these bolt holes/bunkers/etc. actually last? Wouldn’t supplies dwindle after a while? I also wonder who would guard these places and what’s to stop them from just taking over? It seems that our elites whole claim to power is the amount of wealth they have. Wouldn’t that wealth basically become worthless after a major calamity like WWIII?

    The top bolt hole seems to be New Zealand. It’s geographically about as far away as possible from a nuclear WW3. It’s Anglo Saxon and English speaking and has been totally subverted by the NWO. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is a WEF “Young Global Leader” with New Zealand politics/media following ZioGlob/ Woke rules to the letter. Passing gun control legislation, “hate speech” laws and all the rest.

    On second thoughts, if the world ZioGlob goes to new Zealand and stays there, it wouldn’t be such a bad thing.

    • Replies: @Onebelowall
  177. “Israel has threatened to use nukes openly and secretly . Secretly in 1973 war .

    USA has used and has made threats to use against Soviet , China,Korea,Vietnam ,and against Iraq .”

    Uhhh no. not as a matter of first use. Israel has said what every country who posses nuclear weapons has said (paraphrased)

    “if you attack us with nukes we will retaliate or if you attempt to wipe us out we will wipe you out.” The scenario yo describe is generic — what the kremlin has been contending is literally something far different. And those words speak for themselves, beyond nuclear deterrence.

    But the threat was live during the Pakistan and India conflict and now Russia.

  178. “And what about Yugoslavia? That country was an independent sovereign nation throughout the period that Ukraine was not, and USA and NATO decided it shouldn’t exist. So Russia will now do the same to the Ukraine, break it up into smaller states it will absorb just like EU and NATO are absorbing ex-Yugoslav states. You’re an instrument of Western/US propaganda.”

    That initial choice was by the populations in country. The process of who got what and how did create issues.

    https://www.historyextra.com/period/20th-century/yugoslavia-serbia-croatia-slovenia-bosnia-bloodshed/

    Not even close to the dynamic in Ukraine where some contingent of Ukrainians think they are really Russians. Ohhhyyyyyyyy . . . . so instead of living in Russia, they live in Ukraine and demand some sort Russia fealty by Ukraine in general to them and Russia . . . . there’s a pie just riddled with nonsense. The situations are drastically different. In Yugoslavia, there distinct peoples cobbled together to create Yugoslavia, well at least three. All of whom were eager to reestablish themselves into the identities that existed prior to Yugoslavia creation in 1918 or thereabouts.

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  179. “Who is Joseph Smith ‘

    laugh. excuse my error . . . or not

    Adam Smith

  180. @Wizard of Oz

    Are you dementing, Wizz? NATO is ‘no threat’ to Russia? You are joking, aren’t you? No lie too big, to keep your ideological bona fides. Wouldn’t want to be snubbed down at the next IPA meeting, would you.
    Russia attempted to deal with the Ukronazi regime after the US organised and financed fascist putsch against a legally elected President, Yanukovich, in 2014. The Minsk I and II Agreements, underwritten by the OSCE and France and Germany, were an act of good faith by Russia, but the Ukronazi regime had NO interest in following them in the least, which they have openly declared. They were too busy murdering Donbass civilians (15,000) training their Nazi shock-troops like Azov Battalion with the US, UK and NATO, and turning eastern Ukraine into a gigantic series of defensive redoubts, which Russia is now grinding into dust.
    Then they gathered 100,000 troops to finally occupy and cleanse the Donbass of Russians, begged to join NATO, and the cross-dresser ‘elensky declared that he wanted nukes. Plenty of justification for pre-emptive defensive war, jus ad bellum as they say. Have you always idolised fascists, Wizz?

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  181. @fran

    Well said, fran, and you have an arch Liberal troll calling you a troll, to prove it. Bravo!

  182. Anonymous[965] • Disclaimer says:

    If you want a war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela tell me why and how it would benefit Americans.

    Well, obviously, it would benefit Americans because they would have another foolish, vacuous cause to rally around to distract them from the food getting shorter and their money buying less and less.

    How did the old bumper stickers go? “Support our Troops as they get their arms and legs blown off to make rich people richer”?

    (Something like that. I got it half-right, anyway.)

    Frankly, if the American people have not wised up after the debacles in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan (which they were chased out of less than a year ago), they never will.

    Perhaps a better question might be, “Why are the Americans not out in the streets as their country is led into yet another disastrous war?”

  183. Explain to me, please, why didn’t US, EU and NATO support South African Neo-Nazis to carve out a state for whites but are supporting Ukrainian Neo-Nazis to occupy Russian territory in Lugansk, Donetsk, etc.?

  184. @Wizard of Oz

    Only an utter MORON, or a duplicitous dissembler, would suggest that Russia ‘negotiate’ with a fascist regime that DELIBERATELY ignored EVERY aspect of the Minsk I and II Agreements, that has murdered 15000 civilians in Donbass, that continues heavily shelling civilians in Donetsk every day, that run at least a dozen bio-warfare labs with the USA on its territory, that has arrested or disappeared journalists and Opposition politicians, that has inserted Nazi elements from death-squads like Azov THROUGHOUT its military and that has a state ideology based on Banderite race hatred of Russia, etc.
    Or with its US mentor and financier, a power that has breached, broached, abrogated or ignored more agreements than any other in history. As Lavrov said, the USA is ‘ non agreement-capable’. Probably sounds better in Russian. When the chips are down, and your fascist idols are being crushed, your basic sympathies ooze out like an haemo-serous discharge.

  185. One thing I like about Mr Giraldi is he seems to correctly point out the wrongs on both sides of the American political divide. Many writers are too biased to one side.
    One correction though – since the UN recognizes Taiwan as Chinese territory – it wouldn’t be an “annexation” but rather and assertion of sovereignty. You are correct though – seems the Washington hawks are circling. General Wei at the Shangri La dialogue made it clear with Defense Secretary Austin and Japan’s PM in attendance that there is absolutely no question that China will fight “until the end” regarding Taiwan. No ambiguity there at all and no need for anyone to walk back any statements. It is a similar issue to what’s going on with Russia. The Russian side has been very clear in what they would do. NATO does a lot of double and triple talk.
    But yeah Venezuela is another example. Same with Cuba. You have many defectors in both. You also have others who support the regimes but still leave because they can’t take the pressure. But the fact is the majority of people in both do support the governments standing up to the US. Though I don’t know what the mood is in Mexico…. Iran is likely the same as Cuba and Venezuela

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  186. @anonymous

    Libya is still in total disarray and Iraq actually is more friendly to Iran than it ever was under Saddam. Iraq has almost completely back fired.

  187. @Noble47

    The Russians really believe that Ukraine becoming part of NATO is an existential threat.

    What might not exist? The prospect of Russia again achieving an imperial reach that the Ukrainians so disliked even in 1927-20 that they fought a civil war to remain out of the USSR.

    And given the fact that there has never been a prospect of Ukraine joining NATO without years, or at worst months of notice, how foes that hustify what Russia has done for example in Mariupol (as it did in Chuchnia previously which was at least part of Russia to mention some bare thread of legal entitlement.

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    , @Caruthers
  188. @Jim H

    When you include all the alphabet agencies who help manufacture reasons for conflicts- it is already almost 1 trillion Or thereabouts (and I include agencies like the DEA also for which many Americans have no clue of their affect on the so called “war on drugs”).

  189. @Showmethereal

    General Wei at the Shangri La dialogue made it clear with Defense Secretary Austin and Japan’s PM in attendance that there is absolutely no question that China will fight “until the end” regarding Taiwan. No ambiguity there at all and no need for anyone to walk back any statements. It is a similar issue to what’s going on with Russia. The Russian side has been very clear in what they would do

    There is too much thoughtless timewasting BS on UR threads. Look at what I have quoted.

    The Russians have been so far from clear that they have vaguely threatened the use of nuclear weapons, hinted at “red lines” they have not spelled out, called war a “special operation” which is not an invasion or war, denied that they were attempting to take Kyiv and change governments, and much more.

    As to what General Wei said about Taiwan, are you so naive as to believe him because he said it?

    What do you make of the theory that China knows that it would be involved in a very bloody and economically fight if it attacked Taiwan and mostly regards its claims on Taiwan as postponable while it can conveniently be used to stir up nationalist feelings in China when the CCP regards that as desirable?

    • Troll: mulga mumblebrain
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  190. @Fidelios Automata

    Venezuela has nowhere near the natural resources that Russia has. Venezuela also is still not over it’s colonial legacy of having a large undereducated masses. Cuba is very well educated for its size and income level. Venezuela was run by oligarchs after independence and so education of the masses was not important like in Cuba after the revolution. Chavez was trying to mimic Cuba in that regard but died. Maduro in spite of not being on the same level is able to rally the people. We shall what happens with the education system. Russia on the other hand was strong in math and sciences back in Soviet times. Even now Russia by itself is in the top 5 globally in STEM students. So it is completely unfair to compare Venezuela with Russia. They just signed a 20 year agreement with Iran. Iran is top 10 in the world in STEM grass also . Maybe education will be a part of it. But by the same token – Russia is much larger than Iran and has far more natural resources than Iran even (Iran’s main problem is currency devaluation and inflation- rather than lack of talent). What is key though is they are all grouping together to bypass western sanctions. North Korea is the only one who is isolated (seems by self imposition)…. But even North Korea is not a good comparison to Venezuela. North Koreans are just as intelligent as their brothers below the 38th parallel. They devote so much of their resources to the military. But again highly intelligent and because they were friends of the Soviets they emphasized Science and math. Hence they can build nukes. They want their strategic independence from Russia and China so they spend a lot of resources on their military. If they relied on them like the South does on the US – their economy would be very different.

    • Thanks: Nancy
  191. @EliteCommInc.

    They were all South Slavs, but with different histories, weren’t they? With the Beast of Rome sticking his nose in, possibly?

  192. None of the potential wars that Mr. Giraldi points out in the subheading would benefit America’s general population. Why this hasn’t been evident to most Americans in the last 35 years or so, can only be explained by their lack of interest in politics. How did the Iraq war benefit? How did Afghanistan benefit the American population? They benefitted some elite but not the general population, in any discernable way.

    • Replies: @true.enough
  193. @anonymous

    I thought you might appreciate this quote:

    Petroleum is a more likely cause of international conflict than wheat.
    Simone Weil

  194. @Ron Unz

    As I sense that you are open to discovering complexities in Russia-Ukraine histories and relationship that, like most Westerners and, I daeesay everyone represented on a UR thread should admit to k owing little of at least till recently I proffer a couple of pieces of probably true information that you might want to consider.

    First is the plain assertion that Mearsheimer is on the Koch payroll.

    Second is to remember that Ukrainiams fought a civil war in 1917-1920 to prevent incorporation in the successor to the Czar’s empire. Add that to the Holomodor and ot is ludicrous to dismiss the probability at least of Ukrainians not being any more to identify politically or culturally with Russia than they were when more than 90% voted to be a separate nation in the early the will and the arms 90s. My information is that local separatists supporting independence or joining Russia for the Donbass never mustered much more than the proverbial number that could fit into a telephone box. I don’t assert that in the usual UR style but it seems likely to be truer than the idea that there were a lot of Russian speakers in the Donbas that had the will and the weapons to start a rebellion over a crooked President taking off dor the protection of Putin once it was clear that the Ukrainian Parliament was going to vote to oust him.

  195. @EugeneGur

    I think our differences over what are true facts are, without more, sufficient reason to avoid conversation.

  196. @Yukon Jack

    “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” — Bibi Netanyahu

    To me that wreaks of fake quote, too many of which pollute UR threads at the hands of the stupid or merely shameless.

    Please justify its authenticity before I consider reading more.

    • Replies: @Yukon Jack
  197. @Philip Giraldi

    Americans to non Americans seem remarkably America centric and carelessly ignorant about the world beyond America. But, even without America’s pretensions to Christianity, does it not strike you that there are a depressing number of your readers that cannot take their foreign policy thoughts beyond “is it good for Americans”?.

    In my view they usually don’t know enough to form a worthwhile view of how future Americans might assess outcomes but it is the moral aspect I draw your attention to. Formally, there are treaties and contracts and understandings. Informally one asks if cousins might legitimately stand aside when their kin was being brutalised.

  198. Noble47 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Since 2008, when NATO declared that both Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO, the Russians have made it abundantly clear that they wouldn’t let this happen – it was “the brightest of red lines” for them. Since the regime change in 2014, NATO has been training troops in Ukraine to NATO standards, and the US has been arming Ukraine since at least the Trump administration. So, although Ukraine is not presently a de jure member of NATO, the Russians have reason to believe that it is headed in that direction, or is a de facto member already.

    Great powers will go to great lengths to eliminate existential threats, and marching NATO right up to Russia’s doorstep has been a colossal mistake, especially with regard to Ukraine (given Burns’ warning about Russia’s views on the matter). Both Merkel and Sarkozy initially opposed that 2008 NATO declaration, but Bush was determined to have his way so they both caved to the prospect of Ukraine becoming part of NATO.

  199. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    As I sense that you are open to discovering complexities in Russia-Ukraine histories and relationship that, like most Westerners and, I daeesay everyone represented on a UR thread should admit to k owing little of at least till recently I proffer a couple of pieces of probably true information that you might want to consider.

    First is the plain assertion that Mearsheimer is on the Koch payroll.

    The problem is that you’re an extraordinarily gullible individual, who has zero credibility on almost any subject, especially the Russia/Ukraine war.

    You should go back to promoting the theory that JFK was accidentally shot and killed by one of his own Secret Service bodyguards…and the same misfortune befell his brother RFK a few years later!

    • Agree: Chuck Orloski, fran, Druid55
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  200. @EliteCommInc.

    I can’t tell the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian but someone sure wants there to be an abyss between them. And many Ukrainians see themselves as Russians and don’t want to be a part of an anti-Russian Neo- Nazi Zionist Ukraine. So the West did nothing to encourage those people to break up their own Yugoslav country? I’d say they did and they used the immigrant fascist diaspora scum from Canada, Australia, America, etc. to the fullest while Russia did nothing to encourage the breakup of the Ukraine – it was the Western instigated Maidan coup and the consequent suppression of the Russian population that forced their secession.

  201. “They were all South Slavs, but with different histories, weren’t they? With the Beast of Rome sticking his nose in, possibly?”

    Well we can certainly debate the merits of NATO’s role. However, the choice to create independent countries was something the peoples in the region had on their plate for quite some time. I don’t think your metaphorical Rome had anything to do with that.

  202. @emerging majority

    There’s also the possibility that there is a discarnate evil force which for some reason delights in bloodshed and hates humanity and in general, life on our beautiful planet. If that happens to be a valid hypothesis, then it is entirely possible that certain humans are in total thrall to such an entity or entities that they would do the dirty deeds even if their own lives are forfeit.

    John 8:44

    How can anyone deny the veracity of the Bible?

    • LOL: RoatanBill
  203. “I can’t tell the difference between a Ukrainian and a Russian but someone sure wants there to be an abyss between them. And many Ukrainians see themselves as Russians and don’t want to be a part of an anti-Russian Neo- Nazi Zionist Ukraine. So the West did nothing to encourage those people to break up their own Yugoslav country? I’d say they did and they used the immigrant fascist diaspora scum from Canada, Australia, America, etc. to the fullest while Russia did nothing to encourage the breakup of the Ukraine – it was the Western instigated Maidan coup and the consequent suppression of the Russian population that forced their secession.”

    as I say we can certainly debate the role of NATO and even the UN that eventually concluded that the Serbs were engaged in an extensive scale of ethnic cleansing that went beyond giving others the boot. ohhh wait a minute, I thought your claim was it was a result of outsiders.

    I am afraid the evidence points towards the players, your own interest group wanted their own space and were more than happy to go to extremes to get as much of it as possible.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/16/world/the-serbs-and-croats-so-much-in-common-including-hate.html

    I continue to marvel at the obvious ever present mess of ethnic loyalties that repeatedly tear Europe and Asia apart. I even marvel that so many in the US want invite that same here. It is as if one civil war wasn’t enough. We actually have citizens in the US who want to embrace European ethnic dynamics to a country that actually engaged in a civil war with her parents to sever all such ties, and complexities.

    Europe has finally achieved that peculiar place in time reached by the peoples on the African continent before Europeans set foot on land — war is just too nasty a business to sustain. Ohh they had conflicts, but none on the scale or magnitude of the empires that came and waned.

    But if one insists, Yugoslavia was their ow country. It was cobbled together after WWI and most importantly, if the Croatians and Serbians had wanted to remain friends, no one would have complained much, save perhaps that third party. But the record is pretty clear, they sought independence even from each other.

    I don’t have a beef with Russia’s longings for the days of old. But threatening the world peace to achieve it — that is another matter.

    https://croatia2go.com/are-croats-really-of-slavic-origin/

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Serbia

    I am afraid these peoples disagree with you. They prefer to remain as they were, not even Austria is making any claims for old Serbia.

    This the what democracy on demand creates.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  204. What all of this means is that there is absolutely no standard of genuine national security that motivates the US’s completely illegal aggression in many parts of the world

    That has been true since 1945. Actually much longer than that. (See Phillipines war, Mexican war, theft of an entire country to build the Panama canal. Etc.)

  205. @fran

    And what do your base your opinion on other than being an undeclared pro-Russian troll. Why do you clutter up comment threads, “fran?” It’s such a wasted effort.

    • Replies: @fran
  206. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Surrendering American agency to Volodymyr Zelensky – – is the height of irresponsibility.
    https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/neocon-think-tanks-are-driving-bidens-ukraine-policy/

    I cant find the link now .It strongly urged USA to put its military under Israeli command to secure peace in ME .Its promoters came from these neocon’s circle under guidance from Israel.

    We know where the control of Zelensky lies.

  207. @EliteCommInc.

    Problem with the Croats is that they are fanatically Roman Catholic; as per Ante Pavelic’s Ustasha and their massacre of Serbs, Gypsies, Gays and Jews on behalf of an agenda which even the German SS felt to be over the top; to say nothing of the aghast reactions of many officers in Mussolini’s army.

    Perhaps over time they will mellow out as have Dutch, Rhineland, Quebec and more recently even Irish Catholics.

    The information that their male “Y” chromosome likely originated amongst the Persians and Medes is of interest, particularly regarding their apparent lack of a sense of Slavic unity with the more heroic Serbians. If they mellow out on the Catholicism, perhaps their women, with a Slavic “X” chromosome will help to tone down the patriarchal nonsense a bit.

  208. @Ron Unz

    That is truly pathetic. Have you got so carried away by your reversal of (once vehemently expressed) media preferences which has you now grinning gormlessly while chatting to sycophantic nitwit interviewers that you have even given up on honesty. I refer to the fact that you have no excuse now to repeat canards about some alleged theories on JFK’s and RFK’s deaths It is sad to think that your once fine intellect may be suffering early onset dementia. It is very hard to know jow to treat once loved and loving grandpa when he shouts abuse.

    [MORE]

    Not long ago you would have seen how tidiculous it was to proclaim yourself master of most of the greatest conspiracies of the last 110 years when, on almost all of them there would be people who have read 20 – 50 times as much and in every case people who started with more knowledge than you could ever acquire.

    As I don’t, unlike you and hundreds of op Ed writers under pressure, have to produce sagacious seeming words evincing great confidence, I am willing to maintain doubt and uncertainty where that is the nearest that, in all honesty, one can get to truth.

    I have the huge advantage of knowing well an honest scholar with impeccable Ukrainian credentials as to its history, politics, culture and state of opinion. He would never have threatened his professional credibility by prima facie extravagant claims for near certainty on a variety of topics where the vehemence of your assessment of (vertiginous high) probabilities is enough to destroy credibility.

    My friend seems to have confirmed that a video of oil fires started by shells or missiles were not in fact Ukrainian attacks but Russian attacks in Ukraine. I remain more than a little questioning about the actual and prospective course of the war.

    My purpose in returning to this thread had been to proffer the eloquence of Jessica Berlin in a clip here

    Anton Gerashchenko (@Gerashchenko_en) tweeted at 6:36 pm on Wed, June 22, 2022:
    Great arguments from geopolitical expert @berlin_bridge concerning the need to send heavy weapons to 🇺🇦 and the possibility of peace negotiations with 🇷🇺
    Putin won’t concede a thing unless he has to.

    #UkraineRussiaWar #ArmUkraineNow https://t.co/j4CrwZoxqA
    (https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1539527839053189121?t=TRcFyC3sLP6oy0ZlCUpcbA&s=03)

    Although Jessica Berlin (whom I guess but cannot confirm is Jewish) is only in her mid to late 30s maybe you can say she is one of those neocons you have known all about for 30 years.

    I hope you will consider the difference it will make to the world, not of course seen as a uniform entity, and America’s natural allies, if America, despite the contempt in which various aspect of it and its politics and policy makers have fallen into amongst Amrricans as well as foreigners, can be seen to hold NATO together and dragoon the EU effectively enough to beat Russia decisively in Ukraine. Whether any settlement that involves Ukraine losing territory could be debised and publicised so as to not ne seen as a defeat for the US and the West I doubt, because I doubt the intelligence and diligence of American government officials. It would require strenuous thought and stamina.

    Perceived failure on Ukraine might I suppose enable the US to retreat from the world apart from the continuing mutual benefits of globalisation and begin to restore the prosperity for all Americans that reduction of the MIC and foreign entanglements might allow if the \$US didn’t lose its exceptional privilege. But what of the rest of the world? Australia might recover its old relationship with China whereby it continues to prosper as Chia’s most efficient quarry. But one thing would be near certain. No one would stand up to autocrats, jowever cruel or villainously kleptocratic with any trust in support from the US.

    And yet,and yet. Uncertainty rigns. Who has considered the meaning, implications doubt consequences of so many smart educated Russians, especially from Moscow and St Petersburg, taking their talents to the West? It would indeed be naive to think a few threads of discussion on UR or even the whole of Facebook or Twtter or YouTube would be certain to cover everything.

    Anyway, you cannot be convicted of betraying your country or civilisation. You may find encouragement in 400,000 views of a Podcast but for those who might fear your malign influence on great matters the evident failure of UR to break through presumably gives comfort and ensures that the ADL, SPLC et al have almost given up monitoring.

  209. So Honest Joe Biden is now going to give another \$1.2 billion to the Ukrainians on top of the sixty or so billion that is already in the pipeline, but who’s counting, particularly as Congress refused to approve having an inspector general to monitor whose pockets will be lined. The money will be printed up without any collateral or “borrowed” and the American taxpayer will somehow have to bear the burden of this latest folly that is ipso facto driving much of the world into recession.

    There are Christians – God’s people – and a lot of evil people – descendants of those who committed genocide on Native Americans, enslaved and lynched black Americans – in the United States. You can add to the internal crimes other satanic deeds of the Americans in the different continents of the world.

    An ordinary American is not moved by his government playing with money and giving billions of dollars to the Ukrainians. What angers the ordinary man is a single black American getting a job or a chance to study at a university.

    So Biden can continue to sodomize America with out any resistance from the people. Revolution is a taboo in the United States ( because it is communist !!)

    America is a democracy! Ha ! Ha ! No, it is a sodomocracy with the will of the people.

  210. @anonymous

    Russia is no. 1 by 2-3X over Saudi Arabia last estimate. Its Arctic is loaded with crude from end to end and natural gas, too, btw. (kept very secret from the average Westerner apparently). Not all crude is the same. Venezuela’s crude is very low grade and very costly to refine (as is Nigeria’s). Oil sands are even less useful.

    We should be kissing Vlad’s ass.

    Half knowledge is pretty useless when discussing these matters.

  211. @Wizard of Oz

    They think that Russia = USSR is still the case..

    A concern that goes back over 70 years when the fear at the time was that communism wanted to go worldwide at any price (any price that the late Stalin or Mao would put on it).

    Heh. Today, the US acts for all the world like some 2 bit communist country – even worse, run by women. True capitalism exited >30 years ago. So…will it take social credit scores to convince the average coloredball fan that that’s the case? Teaching your 5 yr old son to put on a frilly dress (or else!) isn’t enough?

    Your gasoline is already \$5/gal, like overnight (and, btw, that’s permanent) – Jesus Christ. You’re driving around in that gas guzzling P/U. Time to start converting that pole barn into a shop making parts for YOUR MIC. (((they))) aren’t going to lend or sell you their stuff..

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  212. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    you have even given up on honesty. I refer to the fact that you have no excuse now to repeat canards about some alleged theories on JFK’s and RFK’s deaths It is sad to think that your once fine intellect may be suffering early onset dementia.

    Look, anyone can check this. As recently as February, you were still promoting that ridiculous video claiming that JFK had been accidentally shot and killed by one of his own Secret Service agents. That was the same thread in which you yourself came up with the “theory” that RFK was also accidentally shot and killed by one of his own security guards. In your own words:

    Was it physically possible that Eugene Caesar raised his gun to fire at Sirhan Sirhan and that Kennedy was pushed back into his line of fire by Sirhan’s bullets hitting him. If that was what happened all in the space of time taken for Caesar to aim and pull the trigger after raising his gun the description of the long drawn out cover up is about what an ordinarily worldly person might expect.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids/?showcomments#comment-5160844

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-anne-frank-sirhan-sirhan-and-aids/?showcomments#comment-5161493

    Since all of this was just a few months ago and you seem to have completely forgotten, perhaps the word “dementia” might indeed be applied to this exchange.

    Based on all the ignorant nonsense that you endlessly spout, Phil Giraldi wants you permanently banned from all his articles, and I can understand his reasoning.

    Incidentally, my recent video interviews on Covid are now well past 500,000 views and still going strong.

    https://www.unz.com/page/covid-biowarfare-articles/#podcast-interviews

    • Thanks: mark green
  213. @emerging majority

    There’s also the possibility that there is a discarnate evil force which for some reason delights in bloodshed and hates humanity and in general, life on our beautiful planet.

    This is almost certainly the case. I refer to it as the spiritual force of evil aka “Satan.”

    If that happens to be a valid hypothesis, then it is entirely possible that certain humans are in total thrall to such an entity or entities that they would do the dirty deeds even if their own lives are forfeit.

    Exactly. This is what I call “demon-possession.”

    There was even a Star Trek episode devoted to the subject of such evil.

  214. … 1,000 military bases scattered around the world….

    To be honest, many of those are pre-positioned weapons and parts caches, but several hundred actual bases would still be difficult to justify for purely defensive purposes.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  215. @Ron Unz

    This “Wizard of Oz” character typically draws other commenters in with questions and requests that are seldom resolved to his/her/their satisfaction, or with cryptic insinuations that distract discussion. The same person also fuzzes up threads by pretending to be more than one commenter, the technique known as “sock puppetry.” See under Mr. Derbyshire’s February 15, 2019, article comment ## 28, 42, 43, 44, 68, 122, where he got sloppy also posting as “Anon[436].” (WoO has since almost owned up, with smirky squid ink — pretty easily found if he now tries to dissemble that, too.) Among this website’s oddest, sophisticatedly trollish commenters.

    However, he’s appeared genuinely upset over Ukraine. The WoOzy defense of Geoffrey Pyatt under Dr. Giraldi’s “Victoria Nuland Alert” (June 23, 2020) and the allied comments of the similar Corvinus were uncharacteristically sincere, indicative of a fellow “career diplomat” with elite credentials (or a true sycophant). This thread has generated more of the same — WoO is losing his rhetorical grip.

  216. RobinG says:

    Good one from Gonzalo.

    2022.06.22 Israel Provokes Russia

    • Replies: @Charles Martel France
  217. @Mevashir

    I agree that Pompeo Is highly intelligent. But that doesn’t mean that he isn’t a sociopath and suffering strong delusion. And actually – Israel was only convinced to stop one desalinization plant from being run by China. Tech investment by the Chinese didn’t stop nor did the infrastructure. What the US really wanted most was for Israel to deny China the ability to run a new port that it is building. Pompeo was NOT successful. Chinese are still building and will run the port

  218. “I’d say they did and they used the immigrant fascist diaspora scum from Canada, Australia, America, etc. to the fullest while Russia did nothing to encourage the breakup of the Ukraine – it was the Western instigated Maidan coup and the consequent suppression of the Russian population that forced their secession.”

    nonsense. in otherwords, your claims need support. Choosing a side in factions already established centuries before has nothing to with the countries you noted and there is no indication that anyone suppressed Russians. If I move to France, the french expectation that I learn french to qualify for work, etc. is absolutely reasonable.

    If you are a Russian and you live in Ukraine and Ukrainians decide that they want their official language, that used to seal official documents, or express the policies of the country to be in Ukraine

    that is absolutely standard ad reasonable and by the way is exactly what Russia had done and does. In fact, what such policies do is bring a people together and while it is a form of suppression not violation of norms practiced world wide. What should speak volumes is that for all of the Soviet pressure, the satellite countries set about their own histories immediately upon release. They on’t want to be Russian.

    Laugh . . . not even Serbians want to be Russian or vice versa. The more this rock for invasion comes under scrutiny the more egregious it is.

  219. @Greta Handel

    Wizz is some sort of hanger-on to what pass for ‘elites’ in Austfailia. He’s always dropping hints about what Antipodean nonentity he knew or mowed the lawn for. As such he MUST be an Imperial arse-licker, as we say, and preserving the Ukronazi fascist regime is an Imperial imperative.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  220. @RobinG

    Gonzalo as intelligent as he is, doesn’t seem to understand some of the Jewish behaviour having to do with self-preservation. ” Hate Russia with a passion “, which appears rightly as exaggerated for Gonzalo, is part of it. That is not all. There are even Jewish people – Americans – who are not willing to talk about the Holocaust and the NAZI atrocities separately for fear of being labelled as left-wing anti-fascists. So what they do is mention both Hitler and Stalin at the same time.

    There is no pure freedom of speech in the United States. Whenever you say something you risk getting a label.

  221. Giraldi is one of the best in the UNZ coterie. He never disappoints.

  222. @Wizard of Oz

    RAPIDLY losing it! All Ukronazi apologists are getting not a little hysterical as their favourite Nazis go down. And our poor old dotard, Wizz, must be seen to be in the van-the loony van that is. What does your Ukrainian ‘impeccably credentialled’ (what-swastika tattoos and wolfsangls too?)’honest scholar’ say about the Nazis’ relentless shelling of civilians in Donetsk? Oh, I know-‘Slava Ukrainia’ and ‘Death to the Moskalis’!

  223. @Wizard of Oz

    ‘Ukrainians’ did not fight the Soviet-the Galicians did. The ‘Holomodor’ is a lie, a famine that gripped much of the region, not just ‘Ukraine’, whatever that is. Funny how they picked a monicker so close to ‘Holocaust’.
    Then an OUTRIGHT, filthy, lie that the separatists in the Donbass never had popular support. The east of Ukraine voted OVERWHELMINGLY for Yanukovich and the Party of the Regions, then saw a fascist putsch by REAL Nazis overthrow that Government, and Nazi death-squads commence murdering Russians. And they fought off the thugs, kicking their arse at Debaltsavo, and holding out for eight years, despite 15,000 civilians murdered by the Nazis, who are STILL murdering civilians in Donetsk, by shelling, today. I’ve changed my mind about you Wizz. I thought you were a typical Liberal stooge, but you are much more wicked and debased than that. A real fascist fan-boy.

  224. @Wizard of Oz

    hmmmm – I don’t read nor speak Russian but there demands were presented in writing very clearly for the international media to discern. The US gave a reply in secret (not surprised) and Russia took action like it said it would. Putin also was very clear on what the objectives were when going into Ukraine and they have been doing exactly what they said (which NEVER included toppling Kiev like the dumb western mainstream media says).

    You don’t know how serious China is about Taiwan because you only listen to western garbage. I assure you China is as serious as they were about General McArthur approaching the Yalu River. The difference is even if a psychopath US prez wanted to use nukes like McArthur wanted – China was prompted by that to develop it’s own… And it has the missile systems to deliver a second strike. Taiwan is not a game. Your type didn’t learn at the Yalu River in the Korean War – like you didn’t get it about Ukraine being neutral (which is not even the same because Russia even recognizes Ukraine as a nation – as does the UN).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  225. @Miro23

    Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is a WEF “Young Global Leader” with New Zealand politics/media following ZioGlob/ Woke rules to the letter. Passing gun control legislation, “hate speech” laws and all the rest.

    Again, I don’t see that making much difference in a WWIII scenario.

  226. @The Alarmist

    If they insist upon calling it the “Department of Defense” that’s exactly what it ought to be. Defense of America should be premised on few if any foreign bases; rather a resurrection of internal cohesion. Lincoln reminded us that a house divided cannot stand. A united 5o states, concerned primarily with genuine domestic welfare, while maintaining some level of vigilance would be all but unassailable by foreign elements.

    We should begin by sealing our southern border and making certain that all immigrants would be able to contribute positively in ways which Americans could not match.

    Off the top, I would offer that owning and operating ethnic restaurants might enable some worthwhile immigration. Surely there would be some other occupations which would enhance the American nation, but those would need to be carefully vetted and modestly addressed…and not by some over miseducated administrative bureaucrats with agendas.

  227. @EliteCommInc.

    Official documents are one thing, but insisting that people who have been willy-nilly placed under Ukrainian suzreignty by the Bolsheviks and Soviets should have to only communicate in the bowdlerized and Polakized Ukrainian dialect is simply silliness transmuted into ethnocentric barbarity.

  228. @Ron Unz

    I leave it to someone with sufficient stamina to explode your delusions about what I have argued about the Kennedy assassinations. The passage of mine that you quote was of course no positive UR style pugnacious advocacy of a position but an intelligible query to someone in a conversation. (Do you have conversations in the sense made famous to many dispassionate academics and other scholars by Michael Oakeshott?).

    I have returned to add reference to the latest Mearsheimer interview on YouTube. Still admittedly and unabashedly a minority voice he just about destroys his own case for giving in to Russia – FALSEL SEEN AS A GREAT POWER WHICH, AS SUCH, MUST BE ALLOWED TO DO AS IT WANTS TO SMALL NEIGHBOURS. In the end his only realist case is that a nuclear power might use them in a way which leads to a catastrophic outcome so Russia should be given most of what it wants as first instalment.

    Here is what I texted to a friend on the Mearsheimer interview

    This is a great recent interview of Mearsheimer in Berlin by one Jasmine who describes herself as of pacifist disposition but capable of asking pertinent questions.

    She starts by getting Mearsheimer to agree that realist doctrine says great powers can do what they want and small neighbours have to suck it up, though he adds that great powers are paranoid about their security. What he misses throughout is the reality that RUSSIA DOESN’T HAVE TO BE REGARDED AS A GREAT POWER or that it would be better if it were once and for a prevented from being one. Given the economic imbalance the only case for treating Russia as a great power is that it has nuclear weapons though that is not explicitly put to him so he is given a free pass to that extent..

    Would he say that the small risk of Russia using nuclear weapons is in fact his reason for Ukraine capitulating? On the face of it his presumption is that, anyway, Russia is a great power so must be allowed to win in Ukraine.

    He puts ridiculous weight on his being right that, as most would agree, US policy has been ignorant, negligent and arrogant – especially Bush – but neglects completely a point that the interviewer unfortunately doesn’t take up, namely that France or Germany could easily have given effect to Merkel’s alleged opposition to antagonising Russia by guaranteeing that they would veto NATO membership for Ukraine.

    Another hole in the Mearsheimer case is that, far from America going to war with Russia by providing Ukraine with arms and maybe intelligence it was only arming Ukraine for a guerilla war after a successful invasion by Russia.
    What does the great “realist” say about the desirability of removing the Russian kleptocracy from the ranks of great powers while it can still be done (albeit leaving Russia with nuclear weapons like a number of non great powers). Nothing.

    *** *** ***
    PS I’m disappointed in PG too. Hitherto he has remained one of the few contributors I am likely to turn to. He may be somewhat one track-obsessional as others have noted but I do appreciate the fact that both you and he have made me scrutinise the MSM and other sources of opinion for signs of Lobby control.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  229. @mulga mumblebrain

    I only indulge myself with reading your emissions in the hope of an aha moment when it will dawn on me which institution you are to found in and – horrible thought – that you might even be closer than a fourth cousin.

  230. “Explain it to me, please”

    Lira explains it pretty well…

    Israel Provokes Russia

  231. @Greta Handel

    One thing RU doesn’t need to be told about is who the Anons are. It’s teaching grandmothers to suck eggs. Not that I would want to disturb your relatively harmless obsession.

  232. “Official documents are one thing, but insisting that people who have been willy-nilly placed under Ukrainian suzreignty by the Bolsheviks and Soviets should have to only communicate in the bowdlerized and Polakized Ukrainian dialect is simply silliness transmuted into ethnocentric barbarity.”

    But Ukraine does not discriminate or curtail the use of Russian or any of the other languages in for general or intra-personal usage.

    I think we have established that the differences between Russian and Ukraine is not merely a matter of dialect. And even if it were — that would remain an internal matter for the country. And it remains a very interesting standout point —

    despite nearly 100 years of enforced intense psychological, financial, social and military’s forced conformity, the former members of the Soviet Union and the Russian federation sought their own course. If they willingly went into the arms of Russia, i could have no beef.

    But doing so by force and then demanding every sit on their heels or else . . . is a bridge too far and a direct threat and the US failure to respond in kind is an error.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  233. Ron Unz says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I leave it to someone with sufficient stamina to explode your delusions about what I have argued about the Kennedy assassinations.

    Look, the facts are simple:

    (1) For over a year, you’ve repeatedly promoted a stupid video arguing that JFK was accidentally shot and killed by one of his Secret Service agents.

    (2) Back in February, you proposed the theory that his brother RFK was accidentally shot and killed by one of his own bodyguards.

    I never claimed you were 100% certain about these theories, but you apparently regarded them as quite plausible and repeatedly promoted or defended them in your comments. When I ridiculed your gullibility in this thread for accepting such total nonsense, you accused me of dishonesty or suffering from “dementia.” Anyone can check the links I provided and decide which of us is lying or suffering from dementia.

    Individuals who’ve demonstrated their exceptional gullibility, and then proven themselves to be liars (or suffering from dementia) aren’t likely to taken seriously in other matters, notably those involving Ukraine.

  234. darabi says:

    The world population must be united against zionism and its phony laws. They use ‘law’ to deny people of their basic rights, Freedom of speech. This is very dangerous path that these zionist mass murderers are using to silence the critics. It is everyone’s duty to inform the people to work together and expose these mass murderers.
    Are you aware of the following information: Victoria bans display of Nazi symbol in Australian first. Victoria has become Australia’s first state to specifically ban the display of the Nazi swastika.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/06/22/australia-nazi-swastika-ban/
    Under a new law, people who intentionally exhibit the symbol face up to a year in jail or a A\$22,000 (£12,300; \$15,000) fine. Victorian Premier Dan Andrews said “nobody has the right to spread racism, hate or anti-Semitism”.

    [MORE]

    Victoria already has anti-hate speech laws – but they have been criticized for having “gaps”.
    A push for freedom of speech denial by the zionist Jews intensified in 2020 when a couple raised a swastika flag above their home, angering the local community.
    Many people in the world view the STAR of DAVID as symbol of apartheid and terrorism against world population. Why the world population do not work together and bring a law ban this symbol? And if is used they should be arrested and given one year in prison and \$22,000 fine.
    The law makers are the real enemy of the people and those who are making these laws to keep their jobs, should be arrested and put on trial as TRAITORS. The zionists and their extension are using their power to deny world population of their basic rights. The zionist terrorists, like Mark Dubowitaz from FDD, a terrorist organization, day and night is pushing for more ECONOMIC SANCTIONS, where medicine is included, against Iran to KILL Iranian people. How come he has not been arrested as a fifth column who works for a foreign country? And Biden the traitor feels he has to do it because, he told the Iranian officials, the election is here and I have to help democrats with a shaky position to prevent their fall.
    What kind of ‘leadership’ is this? The Jewish mafia influence on US policy for the interest of Israel IS NOT accepted. When the Jewish mafia decided to take the terrorist organization MEK out of the terrorist list in Europe, Canada and US to help Israel with its assassination list, they could do it in no time with few Jewish mafia members like Alan Dershowitz, Payam Akhavan and Irwine Cotler, in Canada and Mark Dubowitz, but Biden, the ‘leader of the ‘free world’ cannot take IRGC out of the list put by Trump in the first place on Dubowitz demand? I assure you that Biden will not be selected again.
    Are you OK to be punished by the zionist racists who have killed millions of people through wars and economic sanctions, and when you complain then you will be prosecuted and given 1 year in prison or \$22,000 fine. This is a criminal act, thus it is necessary to be stopped immediately and to prevent from happening again. When these criminals use a traitor, ‘politicians, to pass these laws, then the Mafia push it on every government in the world. They must be stopped or destroyed.
    How about the right of the American indigenous population who have used Swastika symbol in their culture to decorate. Do You Know That:
    .”One of the oldest symbols made by humans, the swastika dates back some 6,000 years to rock and cave paintings. Scholars generally agree it originated in India. With the emergence of the Sanskrit language came the term ‘swastika’, a combination of ‘su’, or good, and ‘asti’, to be; in other words, well-being.”
    “The swastika was a widely used Native American symbol. It was used by many southwestern tribes, most notably the Navajo. Among different tribes the swastika carried various meanings. “The history of the swastika goes back to the origins of the Eurasian Continent. The swastika is an important symbol in Hinduism and Buddhism, among others, and was also used in Native American.

  235. @Wizard of Oz

    https://tobefree.press/2017/04/19/netanyahu-once-we-squeeze-all-we-can-out-of-the-united-states-it-can-dry-up-and-blow-away/

    “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away.”
    —Netanyahu, the prime minister of “Israel” to Jonathan Pollard upon exiting Pollard’s jail cell., [1]

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  236. RobinG says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “But Ukraine does not discriminate or curtail the use of Russian or any of the other languages in for general or intra-personal usage,” and the rest of your post.

    OMG, this topic is really bringing out Peak Ignorance. Maybe you and the Olde Wizzer and a few others can get a room somewhere.

  237. Caruthers says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    If “Russia achieving an imperial reach” means a reduction in unipolar American/Zionist world hegemony, then it’s a good thing.

  238. Caruthers says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    American foreign policy has long been immoral and usually against the interest of most Americans—-from Vietnam to Iraq and Libya.

  239. @Ron Unz

    You have always misrepresented my comments because, I infer to be charitable, you believe in yourself as the gungho myth buster and despise someone with less knowledge wanting to toy with alternative ideas until someone or some reading makes them unfixable. Have you ever looked at the videos where and Australian retired detective took up the idea [I trust I’m not confusing this with the Diana murder mythbuster] that the fatal shot could have come from behind by accident? What made them ridiculous at first sight? Nothing I think. You don’t seem to have noticed that a number of my comments are premised on UR not having explored alternatives to your preferred explanations, particularly of cover ups. On the goodkeeping-it-simple principle an accidental fatal shot from a Secret Service man was a perfect explanation for a cover up at least while Oswald was regarded as a Shooter. Likewise an accidental shooting of RFK by a guard (who is anyway thought by some to be the killer) would explain LAPD obfuscation. How far and how long do I persist in inviting answers? For the logical and rational time that it takes to get asmuch of an answer as seems like to be contributed by honest UR thinkers.

    [MORE]

    You seem to have the same resistance to rational extraction of alternatives to the point of obsessive repetition without acknowledgement of reasons for doubt. There are many examples. Initially, when you through up your rogue actors’ theory of the pandemic I postulated alternatives which suggested a financial motive and, instead of non-naively embracing it you derided it as like some script for a thriller even though your script for a thriller was unique and mine had enty of precedent. Then you avoided, and continue to avoid my perfectly mundane, though still conspiratorial explanations for your “smoking gun” evidence, namely anti Trimp machinations and the obvious possibility of there being a superspreader in Iran. If any serious MSM journalists were thinking of taking you seriously they would hardly be impressed by your failure to confront such difficulties. And have you forgotten that they might look askance at your ccasual acceptance that 9/11s clever plotters planned to hit the Pentagon with a rocket and make a whole plane load of passengers disappear? Quietly buried now as too embarrassing?

    Your judgment of people and their expertise has certaiy taken a thumping since Russia invaded Ukraine. No Scott Ritter or Larry C. Johnson as experts I see. But one case I have not I think previously mentioned is your failure to acknowledge a huge flaw in your trust of David Irving (introduction to whom I nevertheless thank you for). It is notorious that a person who has himself as his lawyer has a fool for a client and Irving’s case was one of absolutely maximum stupidity as he began it and he must have known what resources could be martialled against him.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  240. fran says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Marching millions of troops across the continent to attack another country (that hasn’t attacked you and with which you signed a non-aggression treaty) cannot be viewed as anything but an act of conquest and aggression. The biggest and most destructive invasion in recorded history that killed tens of millions of people and intentionally starved to death millions of civilians can in no way be described as defensive in nature unless you’re a twisted individual with a twisted agenda, “Carolyn”.

  241. fran says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Most people can sense when someone is being intentionally wordy in lieu of presenting a concise argument. It’s counterproductive and makes you come off as desperate and somewhat unhinged. Literally 95% of what you wrote is empty filler that you seemingly think makes you sound intelligent but in actuality reads like AI-generated gibberish.

  242. @Wizard of Oz

    Apologies for typos that a combination of quirky Autofill and my AMD left uncorrected. The discourtesy is entirely unintended. Fortunately I don’t think the meaning is impossible to discern., but I am sorry you have to try.

  243. @darabi

    When people agree in principle to allow a group of sociopaths known as the government to write the rules and rewrite them any time they want to create the bounds within which the society grows, you end up with the world we live in. It can be no other way.

    Periodically, the people verify their belief in the system that grinds them down when they vote to continue the punishment.

    • Replies: @darabi
  244. darabi says:
    @RoatanBill

    You are right.
    There is no leader to vote for, thus people must organize and demand change if no change then destruction of the status quo is needed.
    But, the corrupt elite knows that there is a lot of anger where is getting difficult to control. That’s why they are using ‘January 6’ CIRCUS to frighten the gullible, but at the time they are fomenting riots in other countries to overthrow the governments using economic sanctions. But in the US the zionist media is used to present ‘Jan. 6’ circus by the CLOWNS to intimidate the public.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  245. darabi says:
    @darabi

    A federal appeals court upheld an Arkansas state law requiring all public contractors to promise they won’t boycott Israel, overturning an earlier ruling that the contract violated the First Amendment.
    The Eighth Circuit Court ruled on Wednesday that boycotts fall under commercial activity, which the state has a right to regulate, not “expressive conduct” protected by the First Amendment of the US Constitution.
    If “boycotts fall under commercial activity, which the state has a right to regulate, then the racist judges SHOULD have punished the zionist mass murderers and their servants who unilaterally have boycotted Iran. Iran is protected under the International law to engage in commercial activities like the Jewish mafia, but you the racists prevent that by threatening Iran with your illegal nuclear weapons to promote the interest of the Zionists like yourselves.
    The ruling by the St. Louis-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit was a major victory for the gang of pro-Israel activists who have pushed around 35 STATES to adopt so-called “anti-BDS” laws — intended to strike back against the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement targeting Israel — in recent years. The plaintiffs say they plan to appeal to the Supreme Court, a process which could result in a nationwide showdown over the constitutionality of all anti-boycott laws.
    The Supreme Court is as zionist as the rest of the gangs at the WH, Senate and the Congress. Only organization and unity against zionism/imperialism and apartheid brings freedom for Palestinians, and the world. When do you want to get serious to defend your rights? The zionists have already imprisoned 35 states, I repeat 35 states NOT to have freedom of speech. Are you going to allow them to get you as well? When are you going to act?

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  246. @darabi

    Have you woken up enough to see that the very existence of gov’t, a group of sociopaths with no discernable ability past getting elected, is the problem? The very concept of government is bogus. It is designed to lie to people to get it constructed and then to use that construct to enrich themselves and their hangers on.

    Anarchism – rules but no rulers.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  247. geokat62 says:
    @RoatanBill

    Anarchism – rules but no rulers.

    Interested in getting your take on this article, Why Anarchy Can Never Work.

    Here are the concluding paragraphs:

    Anarchy is simply a logical contradiction, an impractical strategy, a romantic fantasy. It’s a Utopian ideal, and we need to get back to the real world, refocus our priorities, and deal with things pragmatically, because we’re running out of time to preserve our liberty.

    If history is doomed to repeat itself, if America is reliving the same phases that Rome went through, then Trump is our Gaius Gracchus – the last breath of republicanism before the modern equivalents of Marius and Sulla emerge to lead us irrevocably towards dictatorship. We dodged a bullet with Hillary, but we libertarians need to get our acts together fast. Anarchy won’t be enough. Anarchy won’t save the republic, or the people. Anarchy isn’t the answer because anarchy can never work.

    https://beinglibertarian.com/anarchy-can-never-work/

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @RoatanBill
  248. @geokat62

    The title to that article is a lie. Anarchy has worked on some occasions in the past but didn’t last. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communities

    Anarchism along with pacifism won’t work because there’s always a gang (government / warlord) ready to steal what the people have worked for. That’s what government is, theft, violence, coercion, subjugation. The fairytale that gov’t is there to protect the people and to defend the country is a bold face lie. Gov’ts are mafias that poke and prod each other till their “leaders” demand the citizenry die for them in some ridiculous war. Putin is the leader of his mafia. Biden is the (supposed) leader of the US mafia. All “leaders” are the head criminals in any given geographic area immune from prosecution because they write the laws that permit them to function.

    It is the people that man the missile silos, the ships, planes, etc. No one would attack a well armed populace intent on maintaining their freedom from oppression. What’s needed is an awakening to the human potential to throw off their mafia owners and regain their human dignity by being strong against any aggression while peacefully producing an economy that no nation with a gov’t could compete with since the cost of gov’t in any nation is a net loss.

    It’s why I’m so strident to get rid of street cops, the gov’ts chief mechanism for day to day oppression. They are absolutely useless in fighting crime but act as the praetorian guard for the political class. Get rid of street cops and the population would arm themselves against the criminals in the society that the justice system not only protects, but encourages. That arming would wake them up to their inherent potential to not need a babysitter. Once that realization sinks in, the rest of gov’t will get viewed in a completely different light. No more will school boards manhandle parents. No more will some mayor have a citizen thrown out of a meeting for speaking truth to power because the power will have moves to the citizenry.

    I’ll give you something enjoyable and educational to view:

  249. @fran

    “Carolyn”.

    Your name goes in quotes bc it says nothing about you, even whether you’re male or female; you’re a totally anonymous presence (and coward). My name is actually Carolyn Yeager, a known person whose extensive website is attached to my comments (available with only a click of your mouse).

    The biggest and most destructive invasion in recorded history

    What you state here is still only an opinion based on a highly selective choice of descriptors. It would take a ton more historically factual information for you to make the case you’re spouting off.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  250. @geokat62

    You should also be aware of Caral, Peru, the oldest city in the Americas that survived for over 500 years and no weapons were ever found by archaeologists. There are several good YouTube videos on it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caral

  251. Lone says:

    the United States and its poodles refused to negotiate seriously with Vladimir Putin in the real world

    And for good reason.

    Negotiating with Putin is as useless and as counter-productive as negotiating with Hitler would have been (and was).

  252. EugeneGur says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    If I move to France, the french expectation that I learn french to qualify for work, etc. is absolutely reasonable.

    Perhaps. But the situation of the Russians in today’s Ukraine has nothing to do this with that scenario. The Russians haven’t moved to Ukraine; that was Ukraine that moved to their territory.

    that is absolutely standard ad reasonable and by the way is exactly what Russia had done and does.

    This is neither standard nor reasonable. Otherwise, Switzerland wouldn’t have four official languages, Canada wouldn’t have two, Sweden wouldn’t have two, tiny Singapore four, and the list goes on.
    there was absolutely nothing except utter stupidity and meanness of the Ukrainian nationalists to prevent Ukraine from having two official languages, Russian and Ukrainian, and in some regions, even more.
    Russia doesn’t: Crimea has 3 official languages: Russian, Ukrainian, Crimea Tatar. Many other regions in Russia have more than one language; there are multiple national schools and Universities in Russia. Considering that Russia has more than 300 languages spoken, Russia handles the situation pretty well.

  253. “The ruling by the St. Louis-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit was a major victory for the gang of pro-Israel activists who have pushed around 35 STATES to adopt so-called “anti-BDS” laws — intended to strike back against the Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions movement targeting Israel — in recent years.”

    Well, it’s an interesting ruling given that even 1st united has free speech rights.

    Well, the only grounds the government may have relates to a compelling interest of the state. I fail to see how boycotting Israel violates a compelling interest to the state.

    The notion that a boycott is not expressive conduct and therefore free speech seems to me to be false on its face. The purpose of the boycott is not for financial (merely commercial enterprise as the court and state seem to conclude, but clearly the purpose is political and by definition constitutes expressive conduct and speech.

    I don’t have any animosity against Israel, don’t seek the destruction of Israel or Jews, but the right of US citizens to express their discontent, dislike of policies at home or abroad of US or any foreign state, in my view is without question a right. and in this case expressing a political opposition to Israeli policy is clearly the right of the Newspaper

  254. “Perhaps. But the situation of the Russians in today’s Ukraine has nothing to do this with that scenario. The Russians haven’t moved to Ukraine; that was Ukraine that moved to their territory.”

    The record regarding the established borders has been well laid out here. As it stands at the time of Ukrainian independence, the territories in question are Ukrainian, recognized by Russia herself. Historically nearly every respect Ukraine and Ukrainians are not Russia. And while Russia and the Soviet State have attempted to mold other countries into Russia proper territorially or culturally, they have resisted and maintained their own identities, and demonstrated by their conduct at the end of the Soviet Union and the end of the Russian Federation.

    So the borders in question at the time of the invasion include the referenced areas in question. My comment goes to that nd. If in fact, the people inside Ukraine felt, believed and desired to hold to their Russian identity and found the same threatened then the reasonable course of action would be to move o Russia. The Ukrainians government no its population erected any barrier that prevented them migrating elsewhere. So their violent bid for separation is legitimately responded to with violence.

    ——————

    As discussions on the question of territorial history demonstrate, Russia has less a claim to Ukraine than Ukraine has on Russia or Lithuania has on Ukraine.

    But again, the matter here and now is the present and those boundaries have been recognized by the parties involved and Russia’s invasion is wholly unwarranted. Again if one is French and wants to hold to French ethnicity, on can certainly petition to live in France. If you are living in Ukraine and want to conduct official business, then the language in which said business is conducted is Ukrainian as is the case in Russia.

  255. “This is neither standard nor reasonable. Otherwise, Switzerland wouldn’t have four official languages, Canada wouldn’t have two, Sweden wouldn’t have two, tiny Singapore four, and the list goes on.”

    Your case suggests that because x country does have triddles, another country should also have triddles. What Canada, Switzerland, or Singapore does with respect to the management of languages is a matter of heir choosing. Ukraine has made another choice.

    And Russia recognizes one official language – Russian. I have in previous discussions posted the refence which spells out why Russian is the official language. Having an official language which really a standard for many countries and nonunique does not mean that other languages are outlawed. No one in Ukraine as I have noted before is barred from speaking Russian. In Germany it’s German. In Greece it’s Greek. In France it’s French. In Poland it’s Polish. In Argentina is it’s Spanish. Now all of the aforementioned countries other languages exist and are spoken, but the nationally recognized languages are uniquely identified.

    Don’t like the official language, well, one can move, or adjust. But official languages adopted by various countries is standard. Should one choose to challenge the national standard via warfare, one should expect an inkind response.

    Unfortunately, in the US we have failed to adopt an official language. But I am a strong advocate for doing so. Long past due that English is the national language of the US and should be codified into law as such. Doesn’t prevent the use of other languages save for official purposes. Bolstering against the move by the wealthy, the powerful and connected an no small number of hispanic to dilute the US into an internationalist smorgashbourg.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  256. @fran

    Here’s a timely video and print article I just came across from Mark Weber that gives a historian’s account of Hitler’s preventative attack on the SU:

    Why Hitler Struck Against Soviet Russia
    Mark Weber – Video
    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=TUDx70kRXtU

    Important evidence has come to light in recent decades that shatters the familiar, endlessly repeated view that Hitler, bent on world conquest, launched a treacherous surprise attack against a peaceful Soviet Union. By June 1941 Soviet dictator Stalin had built the world’s largest military machine, and had deployed an enormous strike force in readiness for a massive attack against Germany that would roll on to overwhelm central and western Europe. Hitler’s “Barbarossa” attack, say a growing number of historians in Russia, Germany and other countries, was actually a preventive war to forestall an imminent Soviet strike. This 50-minute video received more than 220,000 “views” before it was “restricted” by YouTube in late 2017.

    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union
    Mark Weber – Institute for Historical Review
    http://ihr.org/other/WhyGermanyStruckUSSR

    As dawn was breaking on Sunday morning, June 22, 1941, military forces of Germany, Finland and Romania suddenly struck against the Soviet Union. The stunning news of this attack was announced to the world by German radio at 5:30 that Sunday morning, when Reich Minister Joseph Goebbels broadcast the text of a proclamation by Adolf Hitler to the German people that laid out his reasons for the historic offensive. Following that was the broadcast of Germany’s declaration of war against the Soviet Union. This was in the form of a diplomatic note to the Soviet government. Because Hitler’s proclamation and the German Foreign Office declaration explain at some length the reasons and motives for the fateful decision to strike against the USSR, these are documents of historic importance.

    • Thanks: mark green
  257. The US must take on Russia directly. Every delay is a problem for the US and Europe.

  258. @Carolyn Yeager

    So you’re a Hitler fan-girl and proud of it. We got that Cas.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  259. @darabi

    Jewish control of the USA is now so absolute that it has become quite funny. FUCK!!!!!!!! the First Amendment. Next it will be forced purchase of Israeli goods, and a ‘Glory to Eretz Yisrael’ tax-surcharge, and all Palestinian-Americans and their Evil ‘antisemitic’ supporters into internment camps.Insatiable and merciless.

  260. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Do you mean take them on directly with military forces? Obviously, this has not happened yet. Why do you think that is?

  261. @EliteCommInc.

    The U\$\$A is scairt of getting its ass whupped. Non-nuclear hypersonics, anyone?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  262. darabi says:

    The former president Trump regime’s members, the zionist Mike Pence and Mike Pompeo, are preparing themselves for the coming selection of 2024. They are desperate to find sponsors to invest in their propaganda campaign. Thus, they travel to Albania to meet the zionist head of MEK, a TERRORIST organization, to send a message to the gullible Arab head of states, in particular Saudi Araba and UAE, that they are willing to bring regime change in Iran if they give funding for the their presidential campaign in 2024.
    This is the reason behind Pence and Popeo’s long trip to Albania to meet Rajavi, a zionist stooge, to take a photo to document it. The Butcher MBS, currently is funding the MEK, and its head, Rajavi.

    The so called Iran ‘opposition’ groups have no chance coming to power. They know this fact themselves, therefore, they use the given opportunity trying to squeeze \$\$\$\$ as much as they can from the gullible Arab head of states, MBS to save for their retirement plan which has already started.
    Mike Pence is the latest Christian zionist, after Mike Pompeo, who is searching for funding for his campaign. He thinks, if the illiterate Trump could used tricks to squeeze billion of dollars out of MBS, then why not him.
    Only gullible people invest in a defeated project like MEK where has NO influence in Iran or among the Iranian people inside or outside the country. In fact, MEK is hated by the Iranian people who believe MEK members were fighting for Sadam army who invaded Iran killing thousands of Iranian people. And also they have the Iranian scientists’ blood on their hands because they killed them on behalf of heir superiors in Tel Aviv.

  263. @Ron Unz

    I thought I had a peace offering for you when I heard this remarkably lucid address by
    Benn Steil – a Senior Fellow and Director of International Economics Council on Foreign Relations no less!

    The Marshall Plan and the Cold War – Big Ideas – ABC Radio National” https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/the-marshall-plan-and-the-cold-war/13932776

    I was struck by his reference to a 2015 or 2016 meeting between Putin and Shimon Peres at which Putin claimed NATO expansion for the situation in Ukraine.

    So I challenged my expert fried on this and received the following repl (My friend, as a young Professor of Finance gave the first and last MBA course in the USSR, in Kyiv in 1990 and has had his Australian son, whom he visited often in Ukraine, running businesses in Ukraine for 10 years. In short he knows Ukraine, and it’s history as it happens, as not one of te contributors on UR does, including you).

    He got wrong that the Czech coup of 48 was in order to stop the Marshall Plan. It had already been stopped in 1947 with the Soviets moving their armour up to the border. The coup was pulled with Soviet assistance because the minority Communist Government knew they would lose the next elections. He rightly at the end noted that bringing Czechoslovakia into the West in 1947 would have meant war with the USSR.

    I place no weight on the Peres discussion with Putin in the midst of the war he had already launched. Americans and Westerners always think it is about them when it is not.

    Why do Americans naively think they can understand Russians better than Russians and Ukrainians do? Why don’t they just listen to what Putin has said publicly over the past 20 years? He never wanted the Soviet Union back he wanted all ethnic Russians now in independent countries back under Moscow’s control (which is a lot of countries). Why don’t westerners listen when Russians like Andrei Ilarionov and Andre Kozyrev (former PM) tell them that Ukrainian neutrality was not enough. Putin’s plan was always to invade Ukraine and the only problem with NATO was that this might have prevented the invasions. As Kozyrev says, the Valdai Club is all about convincing Westerner useful idiots (with the assistance of Champagne & caviar) that NATO expansion is the root of all evil. This lecturer didn’t even bother to present evidence for the alternative hypothesis.

    I suppose you can take comfort that your collection of critics and calumniators of America aren’t contributing to any “existential” threat to America. But do you really think the highly imperfect world will be a better place if Putin wins and the West loses in Ukraine? There are of course alternatives to the win-loss outcome but deciding solutions which will last and not allow Russia to mop up smaller states with Russian populations (like the Baltic States do not forget) is surely a worthy subject for exploration on uR which has been neglected

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  264. @mulga mumblebrain

    No, I’m an advocate for Historical Truth and Accuracy for Germany, something I guess you’re not if such real history reminders offend you.

  265. @neutral

    An argument which is difficult to fault by anyone with a moral compass.

  266. @emerging majority

    I think the fear is over wrought. And i believe every day we don’t act, means more difficult choices later.

  267. “Do you mean take them on directly with military forces? Obviously, this has not happened yet. Why do you think that is?”

    Frankly, I think if we have to do so. Sooner is better than later. And I think the Europeans know it better than we do. It’s their region, they have a good grasp of history and Russian conduct and ambitions. And they know what is at stake if they wait for Russia to start gobbling up states.
    Reasons for not acting:

    1. are the same reasons they know they probably have to act in kind. They have known war on a scale we have not and wisely are leery of the prospect, added threat of potential nuclear exchange as threatened — pausing to act makes sense. They have to answer on question, can Russia be removed without causing a regional and then European conflict — how to contain the confrontation needed to remove Russia from Ukraine

    2. The US has to consider the view of Europeans. Which consideration demonstrates the nonsense about a unipolar war. The US has just expended money and effort in two failed campaigns in the ME. The public is war weary and war leery. And the threat by the kremlin to engage un a nuclear exchange if we or Europe interferes has actually had effect here in the US.

  268. @EliteCommInc.

    correction: “Which consideration demonstrates the nonsense about a unipolar world.”

  269. @anonymous

    According to EliteParasiteinc., we must completely ignore American belligerence all around the world, and go to war with Russia because it does not want a NATO staging platform on its border. What a jew thing for you to write. This is like a jew ignoring israeli war crimes while attacking Christian American Whites as domestic terrorists and bigots. Projection.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  270. geokat62 says:
    @harvey weinstein's large belly

    Great inaugural comment, hwlb.

    Look forward to reading more of your fine posts.

  271. “According to EliteParasiteinc., we must completely ignore American belligerence all around the world, and go to war with Russia because it does not want a NATO staging platform on its border. What a jew thing for you to write. This is like a jew ignoring israeli war crimes while attacking Christian American Whites as domestic terrorists and bigots. Projection.”

    Obviously, completely unfamiliar with my views on these subjects. but let’s stay on topic. War with Russia because war is the language Russia has chosen by which to engage in diplomacy. She chose war to and in this case nuclear war threats against the the US directly, NATO, the EU, the regional community at large, and the international community on the whole.

    I would certainly prefer to avoid the tragedy of warfare – no doubt and the expense. But at the end of the day, that is the the challenge and the threat and we should cease pretending it is anything else.

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @emerging majority
  272. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    My view is that the threat of escalation to a nuclear exchange is the predominant reason the US has not, and hopefully will not, get directly involved. I think it is almost guaranteed that US troops attacking Russian troops would eventually progress to a nuclear exchange, and both sides know this. Should that happen, human civilization would quickly come to an end.

    So, the best of a bad lot of choices would be for Ukraine to seek a negotiated settlement, and end this war as soon as possible.

  273. @ariadna

    Can you give me the address and the Google Map reference to the Zelensky mansion in Florida. I assume you have gone at least that far to test things said about Zelensky which appear not to be by well wishers.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  274. EugeneGur says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Ukraine has made another choice.

    Yes, and what a stupid choice that was! That choice was a cause of a good deal of their trouble, actually.

    nonunique does not mean that other languages are outlawed. No one in Ukraine as I have noted before is barred from speaking Russian.

    In Ukraine, it means precisely that. Yes, you can speak Russian in bed with your spouse or while singing in the shower. But in the public sphere – government, education, business, entertainment, even retail, everywhere – Russian is officially banned. It’s the law. They even have an office that’s supposed to watch over the implementation of that law. The head of that office is called among the people a sprechenfürer. Sounds good, doesn’t it?

    But official languages adopted by various countries is standard.

    Well, that might be, but why there has to be only one? As I pointed out to you, many countries have multiple official languages depending on their particular language situation. In Ukraine, where Russia is the native language for about 70% of the population overall and close to 100% in the East, it would make a lot more sense to have two language rather than try to force Ukrainian on everyone. How hard is that to understand? Instead, in their stupidity and stubbornness, they chose to let the situation degenerate into a civil war in Donbass.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  275. @EliteCommInc.

    Will you ever get it through your noodle that Russia is not the problem? Core of the problem is highest capital finance: The Rottenchild and Rottenfeller crime clans have virtual total control over the Western world’s financial reality. But that’s not enough for those sociopathic psychopaths. They want it all.

    Most Unz posters get it. What is your problem?

  276. @EliteCommInc.

    “International Community”? Speak for yourself, big boy. Generally, that term indicates strictly the nations of the collective West who give full obeisance to the ruling Bank\$ter crime clans. This does not denote community, certainly not a community of mutual interests on the part of the populaces of those puppet nations.

    Thus, “International Community” represents only the interests of the ruling elite and their criminal dreams and schemes.

  277. @EugeneGur

    True enough about countries having more than a single “official” language. Even occupied Canuckistan, under their “Beloved Leader”, little Trudie and his WEF co-schemer, the descendant of one of Galicia’s leading Banderite fascists; has no fewer than two official languages, in addition to giving some leeway to the tongues of their native “First Nations”.

  278. nadim says:

    In an effort to prevent further blunders by the US president Biden, the White House staffers are writing everything he is supposed to do in public even sitting on a chair, on piece of paper to prevent him making mistakes. This was not hidden from the reporters’ camera lenses
    In the newly released images, a sheet of paper is in Biden’s hand with every thing he was suppose to do in a meeting, such as sitting on a chair to make things easy for him. Then, how he makes foreign policy while 800 lb guerrilla is present in the room? I guess the mafia lobby is there to help!
    In the image you see the list of steps he should take before he returns to the oval office.

  279. ‘So Honest Joe Biden is now going to give another \$1.2 billion to the Ukrainians on top of the sixty or so billion that is already in the pipeline, but who’s counting, particularly as Congress refused to approve having an inspector general to monitor whose pockets will be lined…’

    Be fair. For starters, how would the Bidens get their kickback if there was oversight?

  280. “So, the best of a bad lot of choices would be for Ukraine to seek a negotiated settlement, and end this war as soon as possible.”

    Ukrainians attended to the Minsk conferences, something I also applauded Pres Putin for helping to initiate. I read t5hrough the mission and protocols of the OSCE and when accusations made by the the Russians that Ukrainians refused to abide by agreements or would not negotiate i was disappointed. Disappointed until I read why the Minsk accords stumbled and finally broke down.

    here’s the truth,

    1. When Russia said Ukrainians would not negotiate, what they really meant was that Ukrainians did not submit to Russian demands. It was negotiation at the point of threat. It reminded me of the current world of academia: agree with me or I will get you fired. Do as I say or we’ll make trouble for you or having any conversation with any left wing radical : same relational practitioners, trans advocates and women or women’s demands for respect which actually means agree with me or else.

    2. But the key break in my view was the call by the OSCE for all foreign fighters to withdraw so that the Ukrainians could negotiate amongst themselves minus the points of guns from outside interested parties. the only party to reject withdrawing — Russia. Russia claimed they were noncombatants and would not withdraw. Note: the OSCE is an organization rivaling NATO of sorts and as one reads through their mandates — Russia is in complete violation – period.

    Whatever considerations I had for Russia or sympathies faded and faded fast. They simply were not operating in good faith at any level. Their conduct undermined any notions that their ambitions were bit to protect the people of the dispute, but rather seeking a justification for war. Of course supplying weapons and advisors made them combatants and interested parties. They had every intention of inbvadi8ng regardless. And when the Kremlin, announced its reasons, not a single one reflecting any act against Russia, not a single one evidence supported that Ukraine was a threat to Russia. There simply was no step , no rung of a ladder to support Russia’s intentions or invasion.

    Here’s what I can tell you, in my life when I find a party is not operating in good faith. They say x and do the opposite. When they stand before a judge and lie, when a judge is staring at the lie and knows its a lie but submits to their position — frankly, there’s no point pretending. The players are not going to conduct themselves in good faith but are more willing to perjure themselves to get their way — even as a weaker party, it is absolutely reasonable to fight, before merely rolling over.
    I remain stunned that anyone in the US or does not grasp the value of the risk — one might lose, even probably lose, but then again one might win and you bet, it’s a matter of self respect and self determination — and nearly every single former Soviet and Russian federation state has exhibited that trait — one every US citizen should understand and support coming from our history of the needless revolutionary war on the back of

    “Don’t Tread On Me” and “Give Me Liberty or give Me Death”

    i could not in good conscience tell a sovereign country to roll over l’est they be rolled over. It’s their choice to fight then they i will support that choice – and in this case Russia and her advocates are wrong six ways to Sunday. And in this instance Russia has threatened the US directly about who can dance with

    that cannot be permitted to stand.

    and China, Iran, nor Venezuela would stand for it either.

  281. ““International Community”? Speak for yourself, big boy. Generally, that term indicates strictly the nations of the collective West who give full obeisance to the ruling Bank$ter crime clans. This does not denote community, certainly not a community of mutual interests on the part of the populaces of those puppet nations.

    Thus, “International Community” represents only the interests of the ruling elite and their criminal dreams and schemes.”

    Oyy veh . . .

    One response

    United Nations has condemned \the Russian invasion as a threat to all

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/02/united-nations-russia-ukraine-vote

    https://www.voanews.com/a/un-general-assembly-overwhelmingly-condemns-russia-s-invasion-of-ukraine-/6467348.html

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/3/unga-resolution-against-ukraine-invasion-full-text

    Good grief Russia’s own OSCE has issues with Russian conduct

    https://www.osce.org/parliamentary-assembly/512938

    https://osce.usmission.gov/russias-invasion-of-ukraine-joint-statement-on-the-osce-moscow-mechanism-report/

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  282. “Most Unz posters get it. What is your problem?’

    The evidence

  283. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Ultimately, it appears that the Russians are going to determine the outcome of this war, whether or not the Ukrainian government seeks to negotiate. I think the evidence shows that the Russians are winning on the ground, and I don’t think they’ll stop until they conquer all of Ukraine to the east of the Dnieper river, and possibly also the entire southern coast. That’s why I think the Ukraine government should negotiate ASAP. IMO, they won’t be able to stop the Russians from conquering the territory they’re after – although they will slow them down by fighting to the end – but ultimately the die is already cast.

    At least if they can negotiate an end to the conflict before the Russians conquer all the territory they’re after, it could save some of that territory (although even that is dubious at this point), but it would definitely save the lives a large number of Ukrainian soldiers. An unpleasant, but necessary choice, in my opinion.

  284. “Ultimately, it appears that the Russians are going to determine the outcome of this war, whether or not the Ukrainian government seeks to negotiate. I think the evidence shows that the Russians are winning on the ground, and I don’t think they’ll stop until they conquer all of Ukraine to the east of the Dnieper river, and possibly also the entire southern coast.”

    i am concerned that you don’t understand. The Russians

    1. Should not even be involved, the issues are about and between Ukrainians and, not Russians
    2. The Russians are not negotiating they are demanding assent/obedience to their demands.
    3. Russian ambitions are well beyond Ukraine
    4. Russia is attempting to hold all others hostage to their threats
    5. one always takes a risk in standing up for themselves

    • Agree: Wizard of Oz
    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Noble47
  285. @EliteCommInc.

    That UN General Assembly vote was several months in the past. Several of those nations, particularly in Africa and Latin America have now come over to a more reasonable POV and have even become somewhat aversive to blackmail and bribery from the puppet regime in the Di\$trict of Corruption.

    As for noose from the Voice of America (not the real America, but the Dept of \$tate and the Agency) and from the Guardian of the official MI6 message…bullfarts.

  286. @EliteCommInc.

    “A matter of self-respect and self-determination”. Is that even vaguely, remotely possible in the velvet-glove police-state formerly known as America?

  287. @Wizard of Oz

    Whadya reckon, Wizz? “Misinformation’, ‘disinformation’ or ‘malinformation’ (the truth spoken thoughtless of consequences)or just the facts concerning your cross-dressing hero-thing, ‘?elensky’?

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  288. @Wizard of Oz

    Gosh-another ‘expert’ friend of the mighty Wizz, ‘expert’ meaning, as ever, an Imperial stooge like the Wizz.
    Of the Marshall Plan and the post-war environment in Europe we KNOW that US planning, manifest at Bretton Woods, was for a world economic order that guaranteed total US dominance in perpetuity. In Europe, after collaborating with their old allies, the Mafia, in Italy to keep the Communist Party out of elected power, the US threatened a veto on Marshall Plan aid to France if the Communists were in any Government. Standard US economic blackmail, that they continue to today.
    Of course saying that Putin launched the war in Ukraine that was continuing in 2016 is a standard Big Lie, from a plain Big Liar. The war began with the US-organised fascist putsch in Kiev in 2014, and the subsequent neo-Nazi death-squad actions in east Ukraine, which incited local resistance and victory at Debaltsavo, The bombing, shelling, massacres etc against the Donbass, by Nazis trained by the USA, UK and NATO continue to today with the relentless shelling of Donetsk. Is your ‘expert’ friend a neo-Nazi, too, Wizz? No need to answer.
    And, of course, the world would be better if Russia wins. The defeat of Evil is always good. Inevitably, with the US run by deracinated psychopaths, drunk on Imperial self-delusion and nostalgia, their loss would only incite them to double down, perhaps getting their salafist butcher ‘friends’ to attack Syria again, or maybe a war on Iran, or a war over Taiwan. NOTHING is past the ambitions of the greatest force for Evil in ALL history, the most belligerent, aggressive and genocidal force ever, and a Beast whose back-side you kiss with real adoration, you servile Imperial toady.

    • LOL: Wizard of Oz
  289. @EliteCommInc.

    Rapacious NATO’s ambitions have been growing steadily over the years and it’s only right that Russia’s ambitions should now conflict with NATO’s and for Russia to take back some territory from this vicious nasty murderous alliance of thieves and plunderers which recognises no bounds and wants to extend anywhere and everywhere, apparently even into the far East.

  290. “Rapacious NATO’s ambitions have been growing steadily over the years and it’s only right that Russia’s ambitions should now conflict with NATO’s and for Russia to take back some territory from this vicious nasty murderous alliance of thieves and plunderers which recognises no bounds and wants to extend anywhere and everywhere, apparently even into the far East.”

    Ukrainian independence in the early 1990’s had nothing to do with NATAO. In fact Ukraine is a member of the OSCE an or4ganization committed so they say to fostering democracy. But Russia’s stated ambitions of reconfiguring the territories of the former Soviet union and Russian Federation by force is exactly one of the reasons —

    she must be confronted head on.

    NATO has not invaded a single country to force membership. In fact, NATO has gone quite slow in admitting countries, who are eager to be part of an organization that would stifle what Russia is currently doing in Ukraine by force.

  291. ““A matter of self-respect and self-determination”. Is that even vaguely, remotely possible in the velvet-glove police-state formerly known as America?”

    And yet people still do challenge the abuse of authority by government — and do so at great risk.

    ————————

    “That UN General Assembly vote was several months in the past. Several of those nations, particularly in Africa and Latin America have now come over to a more reasonable POV and have even become somewhat aversive to blackmail and bribery from the puppet regime in the Di\$trict of Corruption.”

    Sure Russia has a few African countries that support her for various reasons, but by and large Russia stands condemned. But the suggestion is that countries that are tepid in challenging Russia are tepid for economic interests — but I suspect as soon as they get wind of that cause of action

    saving white core peoples, they may get a tad bit restless.

    But most of Africa and Latin America is unconvinced of the Russian cause(s) of action.

  292. barr says:

    “A New York Times investigation into the killing of Shireen Abu Aklen pretty much demolished every scenario put forward by the IDF.” http://www.counterpunch.com

    Biden is flying to S Arab ostensibly to get oil in exchange for ignoring the murder of Khassogi. At least that the media is saying . But actually Biden is going to normalize relation between S Arab and Israel
    Thats what he has told .Thats what Israeli media has told .But US media doesn’t want Israeli interests be seen as compromising the freedom of something or justice or something .So they have come up with that false framing of the fact .

    Now why doesn’t USA impose same pressure ,call Israel pariah and let Biden travel to Israel to discuss real independence of Palestine in exchange for removing the terrorism and pariah label?

  293. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    1. Should not even be involved, the issues are about and between Ukrainians and, not Russians

    The Russians are involved, whether you, or I, like it or not. Do you really think this conflict is going to be resolved by ignoring what the Russians want?

    2. The Russians are not negotiating they are demanding assent/obedience to their demands.

    All negotiations start with demands from both sides. The negotiations involve reconciling those demands. Given the relative strengths of the two countries, it seems obvious that the Russians think they can get most, if not all, of what they want. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the Ukrainian negotiating position gets weaker & weaker as time passes since they are slowly being overwhelmed by Russian forces.

    The Russians agreed to negotiate with the Ukrainians a day or two after the invasion started. Lavrov claims that the Ukraine delegation agreed to most of the Russian demands. Shortly afterwards, the US & Britain apparently viewed this as a sign of weakness on Russia’s part, because Boris Johnson visited Zelensky in Urkraine urging him to stop negotiating and keep fighting, and that the US and other NATO countries would supply him with arms and ammunition. As a result, the Ukrainian delegation rescinded its previous agreement to most Russian demands, and one of the Ukrainian negotiators was murdered (apparently the one who was most agreeable to negotiating with the Russians). Are the Russians willing to negotiate now? That’s a very good question.

    3. Russian ambitions are well beyond Ukraine

    What evidence do you have to support that notion? The Russians have been screaming blue murder since the announcement at the NATO summit in 2008 that Georgia and Ukraine would become part of NATO. They have repeatedly warned Washington that they would never allow that to happen. Former US Ambassador to Russia William Burns (the current Director of Central Intelligence), informed Washington that the Russians were “neuralgic” about Ukraine in 2008. Shortly afterwards he wrote a memo to Condoleezza Rice telling her that Ukraine becoming a member of NATO was “the brightest of red lines” for the Russians. That evidence suggests that Ukraine is a special case to the Russians. Besides, countries further west are NATO members. Do you really think the Russians are interested in attacking NATO countries? If so, you’ll need to provide evidence.

    4. Russia is attempting to hold all others hostage to their threats

    It’s not clear what you mean by that. Please rephrase/explain/or give examples.

    5. one always takes a risk in standing up for themselves

    This invasion didn’t need to happen. The Russians wanted Ukraine to be neutral (i.e. form no military alliances, like Austria). However, NATO was unwilling to state publicly that Ukraine would not be allowed to become part of NATO. It’s entirely possible that that stipulation would have satisfied the Russians sufficiently to have avoided this conflict entirely. As to the risk for standing up for themselves, it’s not reasonable to conclude that Ukraine has a chance of defeating the Russians. That would be like expecting the Mexican army of being capable of stopping the US from invading and occupying part of Mexico because Mexico was receiving training and weapons/ammunition from the old Warsaw Pact countries including the Soviet Union.

    Of course there is one circumstance where Ukraine might prevail against the Russians: if US/NATO troops come to their direct aid. As I’ve already mentioned, this leads to a very real threat of escalation to global thermonuclear war – IMO, it would only be a matter of time before that occurred. It’s for this reason that Blinkin and the Pentagon have told the American people that the US would not get directly involved with the Russians in Ukraine.

    It amazes me how many people here in the west think nuclear war would never happen under these circumstances, or that (although it would be bad) most of the world would survive if it did. Both of those ideas are false, and omnicidally dangerous.

  294. @EliteCommInc.

    NATO does not need to invade countries. Through their Talmudist owners they have discovered that it is far more effective to blackmail and bribe their leaders. Cheaper too.

    Sometimes, like in Yugoslavia/Serbia/Libya they just bomb the hell outta the civilian infrastructure, destroying the country in that process. Other times, mainly the U\$\$A in this case, they overthrow the elected, legitimate government of Ukraine and attempted to do the same in Syria by backing Takfiri/Isis/Wahabi head-chopper mercenaries.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  295. @EliteCommInc.

    “Most of…Latin America is unconvinced of Russian…” That’s a laugh, or maybe you have yet to realize that Columbia has just elected a new president and he’s not a puppet of the U\$\$A Neo-colonialist regime like his predecessor.

    Just the facts, Bubba.

  296. @2stateshmoostate

    Just a simple search found these:
    https://presearch.com/search?q=fr.+coughlin+transcripts

    I’ve seen torrents for Driving Out the Money Changers on Pirate Bay.

  297. “A New York Times investigation into the killing of Shireen Abu Aklen pretty much demolished every scenario put forward by the IDF.” http://www.counterpunch.com

    The Jew York Times and Counterpunch in one sentence? hah!

    I’m just pranking you – I know what you meant. The assassination of Shireen was horrible, and optics jews are \$hitting themselves at the moment since they know that the true loyalty of the special tribe is being revealed to even the least intelligent.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  298. @Dr. Charles Fhandrich

    The policy is being driven by the usual players, as all of us know.

    Here’s a decent piece if you have the time:

    https://usrussiaaccord.org/acura-viewpoint-james-w-carden-neocon-think-tanks-are-driving-bidens-ukraine-policy/

  299. “All negotiations start with demands from both sides. The negotiations involve reconciling those demands. Given the relative strengths of the two countries, it seems obvious that the Russians think they can get most, if not all, of what they want. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, the Ukrainian negotiating position gets weaker & weaker as time passes since they are slowly being overwhelmed by Russian forces.”

    Thanks for stating the obvious. Before starting in the issues, it’s always a good idea to define parameters. Sure Russia has injected herself front and center – that is correct. They should not have and the OSCE accords makes that clear — foreign parties out and the two concerned parties — that means the parties in country. Russia’s choice to reject the rules of the process suggest — she had no real interest in negotiating, but instead that her demands must be obeyed and submitted — that is not a negotiation.

    Perfect example,

    “This invasion didn’t need to happen. The Russians wanted Ukraine to be neutral (i.e. form no military alliances, like Austria).”

    Russia determining the nature of relations of a sovereign country — laugh, The offer was rejected.

    example number 2: NATO cannot and does force neutrality on any nation. Nevermind the very nonsensical position of being neutral by the demands of another country — that’s not neutrality.

    example #3 Russia herself sought membership in NATO . . . NATIO has no charter clauses that demand any nation be denied seeking entry.

    example #4: the risk is to be decided by other countries, not the US or the EU or NATO.

    example#5 laugh — you are making the case — Russia dictating who can dance with who among sovereign states. it’s a bridge too far and out of the norm of extremes. When Russia interfered in Syria, the US did not threaten war with Russia or nuclear war. Russia engaged in nations in our southern hemisphere, the US did not demand she leave or else. We could certainly make war with those states in our Hemisphere as our region of influence . . but sphere of influence does not grant US authority to make war because other countries won’t do our bidding. We have sided with governments under attack by rebels. And in kind Russia supported the same and its clear they chose sides in Ukraine and ultimately lost, now they want to upend the table to get their way.

    Hostage: Russia threatens that if anyone interfere’s she is willing to go nuclear . . . and the world buys it — that is a threat in spades. So Russia decides the neutrality of Ukraine. Russia decides the whether Ukraine has allies and who. Russia decides how . . . I am not sure where you live, but in this world those demands are a violation of another nation’s sovereignty. And not only must Ukraine obey, but the rest of the international community as well , should they move to defend Ukraine, Russia will expand the conflict. The only nation engaged in aggression here is Russia and she has done so minus any threat to her from anyone.

    mexico several years ago entered the US and detained US service personanel on the US side of the border. Her cartel and special forces are engaged in undermining the US by sending in cartel members and illegal immigrants, not to mention deeper relations with Russians engaged in the same. Whatever Mexico’s shamelessness, it would do an about face if she had to defend herself against the US and she would do so to a man.

    Even you are scared of the nuclear war threat. that’s called being hostage. Frankly, there’s always a chance of nuclear war. Once you accept that you get free from the threat enough to examine under what conditions said war would occur. Frankly, there’s no need to invade Russia to remove from Ukraine and policy that should have been engaged on day one or two of Russia’s invasion. Russia wants to threaten nukes, we have nukes and can certainly oblige — her call.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  300. “Most of…Latin America is unconvinced of Russian…” That’s a laugh, or maybe you have yet to realize that Columbia has just elected a new president and he’s not a puppet of the U\$\$A Neo-colonialist regime like his predecessor. Just the facts, Bubba.”

    I had already amended my initial; comments before your post. but your response on its face doesn’t overcome the initial response — that most of LA objects or at least is uneasy about Russia’s invasion.

    That your response is with one example doesn’t overcome the majority.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  301. Any further lack of response is not intended as disrespect. But that i simply have to take a break, I have already gone well beyond my tolerance limit.

    appreciated the exchanges

  302. RobinG says:

    This is pretty interesting, and amusing how CNN spins it. Why should SAIS students/faculty be so shocked? Seems like it’s fairly common, and it’s not like SAIS is sharing secret documents in their classes. As for the International Criminal Court, somebody ought to be keeping an eye on them!

    Suspected Russian spy was well-liked by classmates, but something just seemed a little off
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/suspected-russian-spy-was-well-liked-by-classmates-but-something-just-seemed-a-little-off/ar-AAYQ1AU?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=58e80778d1b64005af67f9380b5bf762

  303. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    For the most part, it’s true that international law subscribes to the notion that no country is allowed to interfere in the internal processes of another country (i.e. Wesphalia). Article 51 of the United Nations charter provides an exception to that rule, but you are largely correct.

    What you fail to recognize is that the structure of the United Nations organization itself contains an implicit recognition that this principle will not always be followed by the great powers in the United Nations assembly (i.e. presently: the US, China, and Russia). That recognition exists in the fact that those 3 nations can veto motions in the security council. (France and Britain also have that power, but they are no longer great powers.)

    Great powers will ignore international law (or circumvent it) when they feel that their vital national interests are being threatened by following international law. Is that right? No. Is it legal? No. Is it moral? No. But that’s great power politics, whether we like it or not.

    The US had no right under international law to demand that Cuba remove nuclear weapons from it’s soil during the Cuban Missile crisis, but it did so anyway. In fact, we came within a whisker of global thermonuclear war at that time, only to be saved by the Russian commander of a triad of nuclear submarines off the coast of the US (as well as back-channel negotiations between Kennedy and Khrushchev). The US did that because it perceived those missiles as being an existential threat.

    The Russians view NATO’s actions with regard to Ukraine as an existential threat. Is that right? No. Is it legal? No. Is it moral? No. But that’s great power politics, whether we like it or not. (BTW, it doesn’t matter whether anyone else thinks that it really is an existential threat to Russia. The Russians clearly feel that it is.)

    [MORE]

    example #3 Russia herself sought membership in NATO . . . NATIO has no charter clauses that demand any nation be denied seeking entry.

    Why is a demand necessary? NATO should simply have recognized that, given Russia’s position on Ukraine, it would have been wiser to say, “thanks for applying, but we think it’s best not to accept your application”. There are many people in positions of power who thought stating “that Ukraine would become part of NATO” was a grave mistake – essentially guaranteeing that Russia would eventually react forcefully to stop it. Both Merkel and Sarkozy initially objected to that 2008 statement, but caved when Bush made it clear he wasn’t prepared to change it. Apparently the Brits initially agreed with France and Germany that this was a bad idea, but they made no objections to the statement because the didn’t want to upset Bush.

    When Russia interfered in Syria, the US did not threaten war with Russia or nuclear war.

    The Russians didn’t interfere in Syria. The Syrian government asked for their help, and they agreed, which is entirely legal. I’m sorry to say that it’s the other nations presently in Syria that are interfering because they have no legal basis for being there.

    Ukraine is a border state with Russia. The Russians view Ukraine joining NATO (de jure, or de facto) as an existential threat. Syria is nowhere near the US, nor does it present an existential threat to the US. (If the US had viewed it as an existential threat, the US would have launched yet another ill-advised Middle-Eastern war there, many years ago.)

    Hostage: Russia threatens that if anyone interfere’s she is willing to go nuclear . . . and the world buys it — that is a threat in spades. So Russia decides the neutrality of Ukraine. Russia decides the whether Ukraine has allies and who. Russia decides how . . . I am not sure where you live, but in this world those demands are a violation of another nation’s sovereignty. And not only must Ukraine obey, but the rest of the international community as well , should they move to defend Ukraine, Russia will expand the conflict.

    No. I’ve already demonstrated to you that Ukraine is a “red-line” for the Russians. That’s not my assessment, that’s the current director of the CIA’s assessment. Great powers don’t give a damn about international law when they perceive an existential threat.

    The only nation engaged in aggression here is Russia and she has done so minus any threat to her from anyone.

    …if you view this conflict as having begun on Feb 24, 2022. However, this conflict actually began in 2014 with the 2 eastern provinces attempt to break away. Plenty of violence by Ukrainian forces and the breakaway Ukrainian forces – yes it’s an internal matter, but the Russians also knew there were lots of Russian-speaking Ukrainians with Russian passports in those breakaway provinces. It’s not as cut-and-dry as you’re portraying. In addition, the US has/had plans to install an ABM missile site in Ukraine (such as they have/will have in Poland & Roumania). Those sites can easily be converted to nuclear-tipped Tomahawk cruise missile sites, and the Russians know it. That was one of the issues Putin brought up with Biden in an urgent phone two months before the invasion.

    You misunderstood my example of the US attacking Mexico. It was a hypothetical to show you how the US would react to such a situation, NOT a prediction that it will happen. They (the US) would never tolerate Mexico, or Canada joining a hostile military alliance, regardless of international law. The US tends to be more subtle than the Russians, though – they would covertly undermine the sitting government & foment a coup to get rid of the problem.

    Even you are scared of the nuclear war threat. that’s called being hostage. Frankly, there’s always a chance of nuclear war. Once you accept that you get free from the threat enough to examine under what conditions said war would occur. Frankly, there’s no need to invade Russia to remove from Ukraine and policy that should have been engaged on day one or two of Russia’s invasion.

    I’m sorry but this is not a very good argument to make. The United States government is afraid of a nuclear war in Ukraine, if they put troops in. That’s why there are no US/NATO troops officially in Ukraine at the moment. I think that’s reason enough for me (and you) to be afraid of it as well. I don’t know how old you are, but I’ve lived through most of the Cold War, and if there was one issue that consumed the US gov’t and the Soviet gov’t, it was that they NEVER start a direct military engagement against the other. If they hadn’t followed that precept, you probably would never have been born.

    Here’s the Russian who’s responsible for averting nuclear war – it’s worth a read.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-soviet-submarine-captain-who-averted-nuclear-war-awarded-future-of-life-prize

    Russia wants to threaten nukes, we have nukes and can certainly oblige — her call.

    You seem to be unaware of the true dangers of nuclear war. I’d recommend that you read “The Doomsday Machine: Confessions of a Nuclear War Planner” by Daniel Ellsberg. It’s not as good as his autobiography, but it presents information that is crucial for everyone to understand the threat of nuclear war.

    Ellsberg worked at the Pentagon during the Johnson administration & did a study on US nuclear war practices and plans. The most critical information in his book (IMO) is that if only 100 nuclear weapons were detonated by both sides in any conflict, the resulting mega-fires would force enough dust, smoke and ash into the stratosphere that it would block out about 85% of sunlight (might be a bit off on the %, as I’m recalling this from memory) from reaching the Earth, and would persist for about 10 years (“nuclear winter”). That would kill crops around the world resulting in mass starvation. Estimates are that, at best, only about 5% of the Earth’s population could survive such an event. Both the US and Russia each have about 2000 nuclear weapons available for instant use. Notice I haven’t even mentioned the effects of blast, radiation and fallout? It would be the end of civilization and, as one scientist lamented after contemplating a full nuclear exchange between the US and the Soviets, “the living would envy the dead”.

    Please don’t underestimate the danger posed by a nuclear exchange.

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  304. @true.enough

    They do it on purpose to signal their hatred and contempt for the goyim and as a religious observance.

  305. MotGOD says:

    This article is hopeless.

    Hectoring Americans to elect a responsible leader when in reality it cannot be done as the election system is rigged and all presidential candidates are vetted for compliance by jews.

    And jews don’t want the responsible leadership Giraldi would like to see, they want more wars to kill goyim and empower the jews to further enslave the world and rule it forever.

    Go yell at the Jews, sir, not Americans, especially white people who really have no say in the matter.

    Russia was no threat?

    What?

    La Putina the great has made it clear the goal is to re-establish the USSR (and all its evil raping-murdering-lying-theiving ways), for many long years now.

    Just because Jews taint Ukraine government (like all “Western” Governments), is no reason to let the raping Russians go unopposed, or to “compromise” by letting them steal whatever land they want from more civilized countries!

    Russians, blinded by their desperate delusions of being the Jews “Good Goyim” in WW Jew . 2, are apparently incapable of seeing that they haven’t changed a bit: They are the same lying, backstabbing, raping, murdering, robbing, jew-serving traitors to the white race they were in the not-so-good war.

    And you want to play their game? Pretending they just wanted a reasonable compromise?

    They are nuclear terrorists — literally using the threat of nuclear war in an attempt to gain political power — go listen to La Putina Estupina’s TV mouthpieces and Political allies in their sick and perverted fantasies of murdering “The West”. The positively revel in it. They are sickening, they are, like the Jews, a cancer on the world — and you want to paint them as reasonable and deserving of compromise (by which you mean letting them take over and torture Ukraine like they did to half of Europe already in the past?

    (Funny though at the same time Putina Estupina’s pledge to protect Israel with Russia’s nukes still stands — what does that tell you? Set aside your commitments and agenda for a moment. What does that tell you?)

    Russia is not “the good guys”, and they never were, and you taint yourself by the association.

    They are a conventional and nuclear terrorist state.

    Russia must be stopped, and if they don’t stop or get stopped soon they will have gone too far.

    …and then it will be: Russia delenda est!

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  306. Map of the Guam USAF pivot in the western Pacific:

    The USAF bombed Vietnam from Guam. The USAF nuked Japan from the island just north of Guam (Tinian).

    https://asiatimes.com/2022/06/us-steps-up-airfield-construction-on-tinian/

    The USAF flies routine missions across Japan to South Korea as a show of force. Guam is the western pivot of US empire. USAF bombers are stationed at Andersen AFB, the US projects airpower to control the western pacific – but soon China will want to be the hegemon in that area, and the USA will be pushed back to Hawaii.

    Thus China must take Guam as it expands outward, and to protect itself from US force projection, including if Taiwan is invaded. How can China take Taiwan if the USAF can launch missions from Guam? So if China wants Taiwan they must deal with Guam first.

    Anyone living in Guam ought to move east while they still can. Just like in Europe, certain pieces of real estate are repeatedly fought over, and the taking of Guam from the Japanese was a major battle in WW2. IMO the taking of Guam by the Chinese is more important than Taiwan, because the USAF can launch missions to bomb China – just like they bombed Vietnam.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Chinese military planners are drooling over taking Guam.

    Bottom line: Guam will change hands soon. WW3 has started in Ukraine, the elites want WW3 to cover up the financial crash which is now in progress. So just like WW2, expect the war to widen to Poland, Lithuanian, and a naval war in the Pacific.

  307. @Noble47

    Thank you for that well thought out essay. I was looking for a place to post a brilliant graphic showing 2000 years of changes in GDP of identifiable polities and powers.

    Unfortunately my incompetence at transferring it from a text message to UR thread allows me only to suggest that the still remaining disparity between Russia and the West makes the idea, by 1930s and 40s standards, of the West not defeating Russia easily, ridiculous – dependent on Joe Biden emulating a late Qing Emperor perhaps, and certainly reflecting spinelessness.

    What seems to be overlooked is that Russia simply is nothing like a super power or a great power that will behave as great powers can – apart from its possession of nuclear weapons – and then only because Putin has allowed the impression to be created that he might be insane.

    Moreover Putin himself seems to have effectually denied both the NATO encroachment and “existential threat” themes beloved of those who think they know more about Russia and Ujraine than Russians and Ukrainians. His ambition appears to be to restore to Russia all the territories where there is a large Russian population and who knows where he would stop as the Baltic States all qualify. The only thing existential about the threat from Ukraine’s existence as a European state compatible with the EU is that Putin’s kleptocracy might look too bad to survive by contrast.

    What do you think would happen if Putin ordered the use of tactical nuclear weapns? Would he be obeyed or deposed? Is it possible he could use them in a way which did not finally lose him the residual tolerance of his war by serious countries? What retaliation would there be? Do you know what is being discussed? Is there any reason to suppose that it would lead to an apocalyptic escalation?

    One fewer pretender to great power status might give America just a small chance of learning to handle relations with China intelligently.

  308. “What you fail to recognize is that the structure of the United Nations organization itself contains an implicit recognition that this principle will not always be followed by the great powers in the United Nations assembly (i.e. presently: the US, China, and Russia). That recognition exists in the fact that those 3 nations can veto motions in the security council. (France and Britain also have that power, but they are no longer great powers.)”

    And laughing . . . . Ukraine presented no threat to Russia. And the record is very clear that Ukraine’s conduct was defensive and in keeping with it’s own boundaries. And nations mistakes as Russia is doing now. But more importantly, nations on the receiving end have every right ti defend themseoves and in this casem Ukraine thus far is being provided support. Note: a right guaranteed by the UN charter. There is no right of invasion because the country next door has

    1. a desire to be like another country
    2. has relations with other countries
    3, has experimental biolabs
    4. has jewish president
    5. has contingent os neo nazis
    8. because they are considering: openess of same sex practitioners, trans policies, or
    7. because you desire longings of empire
    8. are engaged in a civil war
    9. think the country next you are not real countries

    Aha, the politck of the real. Well, part of that power politics is that the countries one seeks to control will not agree and will fight back. And even if they can’t win on paper will fight back and get the support of others. Real politick . . . means others may not roll over to “great power”.
    Neither Iraq nor Afghanistan rolled over.

    Speaking Russian does not make one Russian, however, more importantly as made clear previously, if you don’t like the policies of a country one can either adjust or move. This entire ethnic loyalty is a constant driver of european and asian conflict, that leads to regional and global conflagration — ohh wait, current events in Ukraine, example in real time and space.

    I understood your Mexico example all to well. And Mexico would not role over to US demands and should there be war — she would fight. Knowing that there are plenty of Mexicans here in the US rthat would engage in open covert warefare. in support. And while the Mexicans are engaged in low level warfare right now, they have yet to actively engage their population in an open act of warfare.

    I agree, It’s a lousy argument to make that we should be held hostage by threats of nuclear war. The purpose of nuclear deterrent is that the otherside won’t risk conflict. Ooops, that is the purpose of having an effectual conventional defense as well. Well, Russia has called out the the European community. It simply based its chess move on a gambit that Europe nor the Us would act in a conventional sense and thus far, they have been spot on. They doubled down with a nuclear threat way in advance. Frankly, I am not intimidated by their threat. Their hyperbolic emotional temper tantrum because Ukraine did not obey is something that should be tolerated at any level. Ukraine was no threat, Ukraine did not act against Russia, they have simply asserted their right as a cou7ntry to dance with others. former jealous wives , irrational conduct, withstanding.

    NATO, the EU and the US should have simply stated, if its nuclear war you want, nuclear you can have. But you are expected to depart Ukraine, yesterday or you will be removed — your choice.

    Nothing like the prognosticators of real politick dragging non real events or scenarios into the current issue. Ukraine, did, does not have any nuclear missiles at Russia and they willingly gave up their nuclear deterrent. Your example, is simply not applicable to this scenario. But as indicated by the Kremlin, she has these exact same fears regarding Poland and others. Hardly a scenario limited to Ukraine.

    There are three Russian service members, if I recall, who challenged the orders to launch nuclear weapons in times of crisis. Unfortunately they are not in leadership in the Kremlin. They simply made the bold move of calculating the sense of an attack by the US and in their calculations were correct, even when the scenario was nose to nose off the coast of Cuba in 1963. Having placed the example forward, you should be first in line to call Russia contact over the top and deeply troubling. And Ukraine was nothing in kind to the Cuba scenario — Unfortunately there are no current men in the military of Russia with as much fortitude as to say — no.

    Sure, no kidding nuclear would tragic. Unfortunately, Russia thinks that will bind others and thus far it has, unfortunately.

    There is always threat of nuclear exchange. The US has been threatened directly. Her ability to engage in foreign relations, include t5rade has been deliberately curtailed. Russians are seeking to expand their territory by force/

    That conduct simply cannot stand. And the US, NATO, EU and the international community at large should move to remove Russia from the sovereign country of Ukraine, yesterday.
    .

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  309. @EliteCommInc.

    Sorry, but you ran clear outta wriggle-room on that one. “Yanqui go home” is reverberating everywhere below the Rio Grande. Won’t be long before “los Nativos” overthrow the puppet-regime in Lima. Then what’s left for your fantasy?

  310. @MotGOD

    MockGod appears to be yet another shill for the PTB. They use these paid agitators to attack Russia from every possible angle.

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  311. @Yukon Jack

    Good points geopolitically. China holds a large proportion of U\$\$A bonded indebtedness. Perhaps they will make an offer that the Di\$trict of Corruption cannot refuse. Guam as The Godfather Clause.

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  312. MotGOD says:
    @emerging majority

    Sad.

    “Those who argue cogently against my shilling for Putina (and thus the Jewish agenda to start the final white-brother-war to usher in the Jewish charnel-house empire on earth), are, ipso facto, paid shills of the powers that be!”

    Not even a child, but only a raping russian fanboy could find your statement convincing!

    (Readers who still have a mind should rather read EliteCommInc above),
    and also this rather thought provoking article from an excellent site:
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2022/06/fighting-nazis-on-both-sides/

    Putina the great is not great, and Russia must be stopped soon, or
    simply destroyed before it causes the precious World War Jew . 3
    that is supposed to destroy the remnants of the white race and
    let the people of the lie, the cancer on creation, the Jews rule the world.

    You and all the other Raping Russian fan boys and Putina fetishists
    are helping his effort to destroy what is left of European civilization
    and let the Jews rule over the Charnal house shit-hole that would remain.

    Shame on you.

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  313. Noble47 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate the fact that, although we are probably on opposite sides of many topics discussed here, we can disagree using civil discourse.

    What seems to be overlooked is that Russia simply is nothing like a super power or a great power that will behave as great powers can – apart from its possession of nuclear weapons – and then only because Putin has allowed the impression to be created that he might be insane.

    Russia is a declining great power. The fact that it has a nuclear arsenal comparable in size and quality to the US really does warrant treating it as such. In any event, however you want to define “great power” isn’t really a critical issue. What is critical is that the US/NATO shouldn’t be ignoring issues that Russia clearly regards as a “red-line”, as the West did after the collapse of the Soviet Union – it’s become an unfortunate habit since 1990 – notably the march of NATO eastward (in spite of James Baker’s promise not to do so), ignoring Russian protests. The safety of the entire world now depends on it.

    [MORE]

    Moreover Putin himself seems to have effectually denied both the NATO encroachment and “existential threat” themes beloved of those who think they know more about Russia and Ujraine than Russians and Ukrainians.

    I’m not aware of any such declaration by Putin. Do you have a source for that?

    His ambition appears to be to restore to Russia all the territories where there is a large Russian population and who knows where he would stop as the Baltic States all qualify.

    I’ve seen this statement in the mainstream media repeatedly, but the evidence for it is lacking. For instance, John Mearsheimer rejects that notion out of hand, and he knows much more about this subject than either you or I. The Russians are not going to attack the Baltics because they are NATO (unless NATO attacks first). They know the risks of nuclear war escalate exponentially if US/NATO forces and Russian forces ever come into direct contact.

    The only thing existential about the threat from Ukraine’s existence as a European state compatible with the EU is that Putin’s kleptocracy might look too bad to survive by contrast.

    As I stated in a previous reply to EliteComminc., it really doesn’t matter whether anyone else believes that the Russian government’s perception that Ukraine membership in NATO warrants being deemed an existential threat. What matters is do the Russians view it as an existential threat? The answer to that question is a very firm, YES. (I’ve made this point to you previously, haven’t I?)

    What do you think would happen if Putin ordered the use of tactical nuclear weapns?

    IIRC, Putin has dismissed this possibility out of hand. Do I think it’s possible that they would ever use nukes (tactical or strategic)? Yes, but only if Russia’s existence was threatened, or it’s government’s survival was threatened. That’s why Biden’s talk of removing Putin from power was so dangerous, and why Blinkin immediately walked-back Biden’s regime-change talk. You see this is the ugly reality of what’s happening in Ukraine (beyond all the destruction and slaughter of human lives). I don’t think it’s plausible that the Russians will lose this war. However, if they ever were in that position, the risk of them using a nuclear weapon increases exponentially – especially with Zelensky’s ill-advised threat to fight to the gates of Moscow. The man really didn’t think through the implications of that statement.

    As to nuclear escalation, the US and Soviet Union went to great lengths to avoid direct military confrontation. There were many proxy wars during the Cold War, but never any direct military actions between US/NATO forces and Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces (or, at least none that were publicized. It might be that some of those American or Soviet nuclear subs lost to the ocean depths during the Cold War were not, in fact, accidents). They knew that retaliation for attacks would inevitably escalate, as it always does in war. They also knew that as soon as one side “pushed-the-button” for a tactical nuclear weapon, all bets were off the table. President Lyndon Johnson wouldn’t allow bombing of the harbour in Haiphong during the Vietnam war for fear of hitting a Russian cargo ship and killing Russian sailors, which would prompt a direct response from the Soviets. The fear of nuclear war was (and still should be) very real. We ignore those risks at our own peril. I mentioned a book on nuclear war in my last post to EliteComminc. I strongly recommend reading it, as it explains just how dangerous the prospect really is (written by an expert on the subject).

    One fewer pretender to great power status might give America just a small chance of learning to handle relations with China intelligently.

    I think that possibility is essentially zero, now. Russia & China are now the best of friends, since they both know they’re ultimately in Washington’s cross-hairs for “regime change”. There’s a real risk that they’re going to come out of this war stronger than they went in.

    In addition, runaway inflation in the west, and supply chain shortages – particularly with food items – is going the hit western economies very hard. Consider the pickle Germany faces with EU sanctions on Russian gas/oil that it desperately needs – and this is during the summer months – image what it will be like for them in the winter? People in the US are largely unaware that almost all countries in South America, Africa, and Asia have refused to level sanctions against the Russians, and are getting more & more friendly with both Russia & China. The attempt to strangle the Russian economy is having a MUCH smaller impact on Russia than the US and EU expected (the ruble is higher in value now than it was before the invasion). But it is having an unsettling effect on the EU economy, in particular – less so on the US which is still importing Russian oil (more than before the invasion).

    Regrettably, Pandora’s box is wide open at this point. I really do fear the direction in which the world is headed in the next year or so.

  314. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I’m only going to respond to a bit of what you’ve just posted since you’re making several points that I’ve already addressed. I mean no slight to you by that – I’m just a tired from that long post last night.

    Realpolitik is an ugly reality in international relations. I hate it when I see it, and I approve of people who protest against it. I was sick to my stomach when I realized the Russians had invaded Ukraine. I was also sick to my stomach when G.W. Bush invade Iraq. Both of them exhibited realpolitik on steroids (I was convinced Bush was lying). However, disapproving of it doesn’t make it go away. The great powers, including the US, ignore or bypass international law when they perceive an existential threat. That’s an ugly truth.

    In essence, you’re repeatedly making the point that international law must be followed, and that we must fight (presumably by whatever means are available) against the evil state that contravenes those laws.

    [MORE]

    Ok, but what if the attacking state is much, much more powerful than the state being attacked? The state being attacked has no chance of winning such a conflict on it’s own so, unless it can enlist allies on its side, it’s better to negotiate peace – probably on lousy, unfair terms – rather than fight to the last member of its armed forces. Why? Because fighting to the end just gets a lot more of its people killed, and once they’re all dead the attacking power will demand unconditional surrender. There is no upside to continuing to fight under these circumstances. If the state being attacked wants to fight to the last man, they are certainly free to do so, but I fail to see how that is a better outcome than capitulating (other than being able to declare to the world that we “fought to the last man“). Are all those extra dead soldiers, and lost territory, worth your place in the history books?

    But what if the state being attacked can enlist an ally, that is comparable in might to the attacking state, to fight by it’s side with troops against the attacking state (including the possession of thousands of nuclear weapons on both sides)? Well, now it becomes very dangerous indeed – dangerous not just for the states involved in the fighting, but also for the entire human race on planet Earth.

    In this case, the Russians view Ukraine’s NATO status as an existential threat – which means Russia will do whatever it takes to win this fight. So, if NATO/US troops fight in Ukraine against the Russians, the Russians aren’t going to accept losing. The question is, will the US/NATO side accept losing? Do you see the danger? If the answer to that question is “NO”, then we’re headed to nuclear war (not maybe; certainly) – and that’s why this is so dangerous.

    Perhaps I need to state it again. We cannot have a nuclear war between the US and Russia. It will mean the end human civilization on this planet, with (in a best case scenario) only 5% of the human population surviving.

    I mean no offence when I say this, but do you really think that standing on the moral principle of always following international law with respect to Ukraine is worth reducing us all to a pile of ashes? Like it or not, that is what you’re advocating.

    BTW, you’re also assuming that Russia is on the march, and that the rest of Europe is now in Putin’s cross-hairs, but you’ve yet to provide any evidence to support that supposition.

    Oh, one final point. Please provide a source for your claim that Putin has threatened a nuclear strike against the west.

    (Apologies for any typos, I’m still tired.)

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  315. @emerging majority

    That is a very good insight, and with rising interest rates the hegemon is 30 trillion in debt, the Federal Reserve now says the government needs to reduce spending. So maybe China takes Guam if the US defaults on it’s Treasuries.

    https://www.crfb.org/blogs/what-would-higher-interest-rates-mean-debt

    Interest payments on the national debt are projected to be the fastest-growing part of the federal budget. Under the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) latest baseline, interest costs will triple from nearly \$400 billion in Fiscal Year (FY) 2022 to \$1.2 trillion in 2032, and total \$8.1 trillion over the next decade.

    In Defense of Defaulting on the National Debt

    With the acknowledged national debt now a politically and economically unpayable \$30 trillion (in reality, its unfunded liabilities are far greater), Americans should start to become acclimated to the realities of the United States’ eventual, inevitable default. While it may seem unfathomable, and the results too catastrophic to imagine, in fact the likely damage to everyday Americans would be minimal in the short term and unquestionably a net plus in the long term.

    This is far from surprising and not a new problem. As Carmen M. Reinhart and Kenneth S. Rogoff detail in their comprehensive review of the subject, history shows that great powers defaulting on their debts was long the rule, not the exception, and that the long-term implications of various regimes’ repudiations of their external debts in particular were minimal or a net plus, depending on the circumstances.

    https://mises.org/wire/defense-defaulting-national-debt

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  316. @Noble47

    Hmmmmmm . . .

    I could note that your responses ignore the content of my own and are not supported by any references and while I appreciate your shifts to change the subject for obvious reasons, it’s a typical form for advocates for Russia.

    Your UN gambit simply fails because your comments misses the essential – required threat. I have made it clear Russia was not at threat.

    RealPolitick or power politics as noted by advocates ignores the very real response by those on the receiving end — noncompliance, resistance, fighting back, eliciting support of other actors, themselves power players is part of the RealPolitick scenario. My acknowledging that is not merely a repetitious ploy. But more importantly, if my previous responses are applicable t your shift in subject matter. There’s no reason for me to remake the wheel — just reuse it.

    ———————————–

    “In this case, the Russians view Ukraine’s NATO status as an existential threat – which means Russia will do whatever it takes to win this fight. So, if NATO/US troops fight in Ukraine against the Russians, the Russians aren’t going to accept losing. The question is, will the US/NATO side accept losing? Do you see the danger? If the answer to that question is “NO”, then we’re headed to nuclear war (not maybe; certainly) – and that’s why this is so dangerous.”

    But you do have a tend to state arguments I am not making, and argue against them as if I were. For example I don’t deny realpolitik at all I embrace it. Russia wants to engage in the language of warfare to settle the question, I say fine, then warfare it is — that is Russia’s choice. And I say, in the realpolitck playing all due respect to Russia’s choice — the US must respond in kind if they want to have a conversation. And i am not convinced that we can make that case via Ukraine alone. Maybe, but in my view the better powerplay is to meet the language and play the cards on the table.

    You are incorrect, I have not mentioned international law, I have referenced the standards of conduct which may or may not include law. However, in direct response to the use of legal, moral justification I have referenced the the same playbook as Russia and I have called them out because by their own standard, by their own protocols of conduct, especially through the lens of the OSCE –

    It was Russia that attempted to make the case by official standards and why they brought up the OSCE, your are a little late in this game. When Russia referenced the OSCE protocols for justification, I simply went to the OSCE, and read through the matter. When they invoked Minsk Accord(s), I simply looked at the accords processes and standards and measured their conduct by the standard they claim —

    And as it turned out instead of me having to back pedal — there are violation of the OSCE:

    1. there are agreements that states would no join NATO
    2. There are no agreements or demands that the US or NATO would not accept new members or would in violation of their charter entertain new members.
    3. they raised the validity of the OSCE, well they ae in violation of the protocols and the organization they raised to make their case
    4. they raised that their mandate was the OSCE, well, according to the OSCE, they are committed to not invading other countries to settle disputes.
    5. they disobeyed the required withdrawal – established by the OSCE Minsk Accords
    6. They made their case for war in very explicit terms — I have responded to their claims

    Your comprehension of power politics is very simplistic ad unreal. Just because a power plays does X to hose with less does not that X will fold — they may and for very sound reasons resist, obfuscate and fight. And they will do so even at risk of loss. It is in their interests to fight.

    ———————————-

    Your emotional plea,

    “If the state being attacked wants to fight to the last man, they are certainly free to do so, but I fail to see how that is a better outcome than capitulating (other than being able to declare to the world that we “fought to the last man“). Are all those extra dead soldiers, and lost territory, worth your place in the history books?”

    is heard. war is bad, people, die, if one fights, more people might die, so to avoid death the supposed underdog should just cave in. Got it. Considered and that is a very sweet kumbaya sentiment. However the truth is that the underdog is going to make the matter so painful that the supposed more powerful player will simply cease — that’s the real world gambit. And the larger strategic gamble, Ukraine forcing the expenditures of Russian resources, makes the ability of the Russians to again, and again less likely. And no amount fear mongering about nuclear war makes he case. If Russia is willing to risk losing that which they claim they are fighting for by responding with WMD, then by golly gee — we should oblige them. The US should never bow to such pressure, and while Ukraine matters, the stakes are much higher.

    Your constant whine about danger that is obvious is always and ever present. ohhh the cowering sounds ohh so reasoned, but under the conditions and circumstances — it pure fear. And it is in my view entirely irrational.

    Laughing, it is correct that Russia has been making that whine about existential threat. But on examination the only country threatening anyone’s existence is Russia. They threatened Ukraine and the former federations with reincorporation. They began the matter by making claims about nonexistent countries, the Ukraine and others they claim were made up countries. After examination, one had to conclude that all countries are made up, but hardly serves in modern time or ever on record as a cause for war – certainly not justified.

    NATO is not surrounding Russia and couldn’t based on the current configuration, not even close. NATO has not threatened Russia with war, even if a NATO country sat ion their border — that alone is not an existential threat. Russia suffers from the remains of that psychological terror created by the Soviet Union. But that is another discussion.

    You’ll have to go back in time and review previous discussions when the invasion first occurred. Russia stated her ambitions upfront. They may be a little less bold about them now, but they have yet to openly state, they withdraw from those statements and ambitions. That’s the bed they made.
    Note: players such as yourself don’t get to change the rules or ignore previous tread ground because it is inconvenient.

    I will clarify this: I was not supportive of our meddling that placed the Us in the position she is now in. In my view totally unnecessary. However, the reality is that we are here and that must be dealt with as it is. Everyday, we wait is a serious mistake. Sec. Clinton and company engaged in needless meddling. That too is another discussion.

    I am not predicating my response on the assurance of nuclear war — I merely acknowledge the possibility. And as such, is simply not the first meal on my table. Fear mongering has been all too common. If we are to be serious players the time to consider the potential for factual warfare using WMD is before the war begins, not after. The US should in response to the direct threat to her sovereignty respond in kind with Russia. here’s the hardball play,

    Russian aggression against and in Ukraine invokes the following:

    All Russian advisors of any kind must immediately withdraw from the Western Hemisphere, north and South. Their failure to do so will be seen as a direct threat to the US and her allies in the region. She has thirty days to e gone in total from the immediate sphere of influence and any nation in the hemisphere who abets Russia will be consider a clear and present danger to the US and her allies.

    Russia and said states have thirty days.

    The game is a foot.

    —————

    Personal note:

    I rarely if ever critique anyone’s writing. I am a notoriously lousy writer and proof reader. coupled with severe TBI several years ago — it takes enormous effort for me to write anything and often result in headaches. However, in my view, whether long or short, I prefer to honor someone’s comments with response. Laugh trust me if you ignored every letter, most here would give constant resounding applause.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  317. @Yukon Jack

    Is China building a military base in Cambodia?

    For several years, analysts and US government officials have sounded the alarm about a possible Chinese military presence at the Ream naval base, which juts out into the Gulf of Thailand from southern Cambodia. Use of the base could give the Chinese navy expanded access to hotly contested South China Sea, as well as escalate US-China rivalries in the region.

    While Marxist pedo Biden wastes \$60,000,000,000 on Ukraine China is building military bases eastward, huge military bases in the South China Sea:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5360751/Chinas-militarisation-South-China-Sea-revealed.html

    US Commander Says Russia and China’s Partnership Means US Must Prepare for Attack on Guam
    Indo-Pacific Command wants additional funding to buildup US military facilities in Guam

    by Dave DeCamp on June 24, 2022

    The head of US Indo-Pacific Command (INDOPACOM) on Friday sounded the alarm on China and Russia’s growing cooperation, calling it “extremely dangerous” and accused Beijing of “the largest military buildup” since World War II.

    Adm. John Aquilino said China’s actions mean the US should spend more money on building up Guam’s defenses. INDOPACOM is seeking additional funds for a program known as the Pacific Deterrence Initiative, and part of the plan is to buildup US military facilities in Guam.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  318. @Yukon Jack

    Do you ever stop to think that, with the US operating 800 overseas military bases and scores of bio-warfare labs, that complaining of China, with ONE base (Djibouti)a possible second in Cambodia, and NO labs, might be just a tad hypocritical?

    • Agree: Noble47
  319. @MotGOD

    If Ukraine as currently constituted under Khazarian Mafiya rule stands for Western “Civilization”, then my aunt is my uncle.

  320. @Yukon Jack

    Haven’t seen the stats lately, but recall that a huge proportion of the national debt is “owed” to the so-called “Federal” Reserve; an institution which has done more damage to America than all other enemies combined. It needs to be nationalized and liens to be placed on its zillionaire owners dating back to extractions that inst. has made from the American public since 12-23-1913.

    Those extractions would include the effect of their inflating the currency. The inflationary bulge can best be measured by the fact that in that fatal year, first class postage was two cents. Currently, it is at 55 and likely to rise soon.

    • Troll: Wizard of Oz
  321. @Noble47

    “Russia is a declining great power”. That would have been quite true during the Yeltsin years. However, their economy has been rebounding for years and their military power and international status has been rapidly rising, particularly when they drew the line in the sand against the puppet regime in Kiev and those (agencies of the U\$\$A and THEIR Talmudist string-pullers) which in a bloody coup overthrew Ukraine’s last legitimate government.

    You might be a victim of Zionist controlled mass media and then again you could be living in a dream-world.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  322. So dollar reserve currency status is preserved.

    Stock market appreciates 8-10% per year like normal.

    So US can eat the free lunch created by the dollar as reserve currency.

    other wise, the value of the dollar in a multipolar world would decrease by 75% of it’s current value.

  323. Caruthers says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Most countries ally with the U.S. for the same reason they allied with ancient Rome: they decide it’s safer to be a subservient lackey of the big imperial global bully than to disobey and be considered an enemy.

  324. @Wizard of Oz

    Yep-the Wizz has lost it, minuscule as ‘it’ was. In Ukraine Russia is illustrating that, if NATO attacks Russia, a ‘great Empire will fall’, as the Delphic oracle told Croesus. The Yankee Empire of Eternal, Exceptional, Full Spectrum Dominance, to which the Wizz is in groveling thrall.
    Putin’s wise words to the Wizz’s fellow psychopaths, in Thanatopolis DC,was intended to quell the war delirium there, and to encourage the cooler heads to remember that they were NOT dealing with a disarmed Iraq, Grenada or the slums of Panama City.
    And as the delicious ‘ blow-back’ from the sanctions on Russia show, the ‘leaders’ of the West, as well as being psychopaths, are morons, too. Who would have thought it? The ruble was going to ‘collapse’, but is has not been stronger for many years. The Russians are kings of so many commodities that it is the West suffering from inflation and shortages, not Russia, and it is adding to the runaway inflation that will see the West crumble, making it more desperate hence dangerous.
    So the West has been forced to rely on its traditional strong-points. Theft of Russian assets, threats, hysteria (our Wizz a pathetic example)big-noting and a campaign of lying and totalitarian censorship unprecedented in many years, if ever. Then the poor old dotard lies himself. Russia (NOT ‘Putin’ alone)objects to Ukraine joining NATO, not the EU, you sordid old liar. Putin, speaking for Russia, has said that they have no objection to Ukraine joining the EU, but NATO is a step too far. Russia has no quarrel with the other post Soviet States, where they are not actively working to destroy Russia, so the hereditary fascist scum in Lithuania might get a slap, but they so deserve it.
    Then your lies grow even more lunatic, and plainly racist. ‘Serious’ countries, by which you plainly mean the West, ie White, capitalist, fake democracies, might be against Putin, but 145 or so of the planet’s States have not joined in the sanctions, and China and India are definitely NOT going to do so. Not ‘serious’ because not White. Wizz the ‘White Man’s Burden’ tragic-no surprise there.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
    • Disagree: Wizard of Oz
  325. @Yukon Jack

    If the US launched missions to bomb China from Guam, Guam would sink beneath the waves. You’re fighting WW2 still, Yankee Doodle. China wishes ONLY to live in peace, unthreatened by Yankee psychopaths, who should concentrate on their imminent Second Civil War.

  326. @Ron Unz

    I don’t think you will find fake quotes in this and it will help with that long catchup on Ukrainian and Russian history that ideally should have occurred before you started hosting a Nd promoting ignorant views.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/the-dark-underbelly-of-ukrainophobia.html

  327. @Yukon Jack

    I Ggogle for it and there were many hits but this answer on Quora may have been closest to truth

    The only place we can find reference to this alleged quote is on blatantly anti-Semitic sites. Netanyahu is literally brilliant, one of the most intelligent political leaders on the planet. He is not gaffe prone in the least.

    The ongoing friendship between Israel and the US has always been important for him. There is great mutual benefit to this relationship.

    There is almost zero likelihood that Bibi would ever make such a statement or even harbor such an absurd point of view.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Yukon Jack
  328. @darabi

    Thank you for reminding me of the Victorian anti Hakenkreuz law I fear my home state is about to enact. Can you help with the precise words?

    I ask because I shall be tempted, if the words allow it, to pay some students to tease the po faced with the Buddhist et al symbols which do not have the same orientation as the Nazi Hakenkreuz.

    • Replies: @darabi
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  329. But he and his wife did take all their dirty washing on a state visit to USA so that they could get the laundry done there at the White House expense.

  330. “Most countries ally with the U.S. for the same reason they allied with ancient Rome: they decide it’s safer to be a subservient lackey of the big imperial global bully than to disobey and be considered an enemy.”

    That’s not the only reason. And probably not the most important reason if reason at all. And I don’t think that is accurate. At least I don’t think its supportable as the sole reason. Probably more of a mixed bag. With security no small factor, and right up their — most important, financial benefit, familiar and similar goals and objectives.

    https://graduateway.com/why-do-countries-create-alliances/#:~:text=Countries%20believe%20that%20forming%20alliance%20can%20protect%20their,Alliances%20each%20have%20their%20own%20purpose%20and%20meaning.

    ———————-

    As for the silliness above. The US should confront Russia head on. If war is the language of choice then so be it. I don’t there is any evidence that the dollar will collapse. It may be quite the opposite.

  331. Gyre07 says:
    @Hoyeru

    That’s probably NOT why the article was written. It’s more of a ‘thinking out loud’ in frustration piece. Which, while not particularly informative IS confirmation that there are other frustrated souls who think that the US is ‘THE problem’.

  332. geokat62 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I Ggogle for it and there were many hits but this answer on Quora may have been closest to truth

    Doubt you’ll find this answer on Quora, despite it being even closer to the truth.

    Netanyahu, unaware of the camera, says ‘America can easily be moved’

    Description:

    Netanyahu ‘America Won’t Get in Our Way..lt’s Easily Moved. Bibi orders the cameras to stop recording in the beginning but they keep rolling after 00:06

    The Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler wrote about this in 2010: Netanyahu: ‘America is a thing you can move very easily’

    By Glenn Kessler, Washington Post, I July 16, 2010; 2:06 PM ET iakn.us/2FEHcz2

    The United States and Israel have made a huge effort this month to patch up the sometimes difficult relationship between President Obama and Israeli Prime Minister. But a newly released video of Netanyahu, speaking in an unvarnished manner in 2001 about relations with the United States and the peace process, may cause some heartburn at the White House.

    “I know what America is,” Netanyahu told a group of terror victims, apparently not knowing his words were being recorded. “America’s a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.”

    Netanyahu also bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. “They asked me before the election if I’d honor [the Oslo accords],” he said. “l said I would, but … I’m going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the ‘67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I’m concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue.”

    Gideon Levy, a left-leaning columnist for Haaretz newspaper, declared: “This video should have been banned for broadcast to minors. This video should have been shown in every home in Israel, then sent to Washington and Ramallah. Banned for viewing by children so as not to corrupt them, and distributed around the country and the world so that everyone will know who leads the government of Israel.”

    Of course, the video is from nearly ten years ago. Opinions change, based on circumstances and experience. But who knows what leaders are really saying when they think the cameras aren’t filming?

  333. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Again, no point in me going over the same ground so I’ll address what I think is important.

    One question for you, before I start: have you used a different username here in the past? The reason I’m asking is that you are now sprinkling your posts with derisive editorial remarks. You remind me of another poster who followed that same pattern – and they also started their username with “e”. Those remarks don’t help your arguments.

    I’m ignoring your points involving the OSCE because I haven’t read the reports, and I haven’t been making the case that Russia was justified in starting this invasion (but I do think the Russians genuinely believe that this invasion was justified). I do recall references online to the OSCE stating that their was a very large uptick in shelling of the breakaway provinces by Ukrainian artillery a short time before the Russians invaded. Other than that I know nothing of the OSCE or anything that they’ve reported. Hopefully, I’ll be able to get around to reading these reports that you’ve mentioned.

    I could note that your responses ignore the content of my own and are not supported by any references and while I appreciate your shifts to change the subject for obvious reasons, it’s a typical form for advocates for Russia.

    I ask for a source when a poster makes points based on an assumption for which I see no evidence, or doubt is true. You’ve been assuming that the Russians are intent on invading many countries, with Ukraine being the first of many. I see no evidence at all for that. If you have no such source, then please state that.

    If you feel that I’m doing the same thing, then feel free to ask me for a source. If I don’t have one, or can’t find one, then I’ll tell you.

    I’m not an advocate for Russia. I recognize that propaganda is a powerful tool, and it isn’t just used by the bad guys (Russia, China, Iran, etc.). I subscribe to the belief that western countries also use propaganda, and that it tends to be more sophisticated than propaganda from the bad guys. Western propaganda is targeted at it’s own citizens (with the build up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq being the quintessential example, IMO), and I regard it as a serious threat to democracy.

    [MORE]

    (Sometimes, the bad guys are telling the truth, and sometimes the good guys are lying.)

    However the truth is that the underdog is going to make the matter so painful that the supposed more powerful player will simply cease — that’s the real world gambit.

    The Ukrainians are losing, and losing badly. It’s a slow process, but the Russians are going to win this war. The underdog, in this particular case, can’t make this process so painful that the Russians will stop. So, although what you’re saying is true in a theoretical sense, I don’t think it applies in this case. Time will tell whether or not I’m correct in this assertion.

    And the larger strategic gamble, Ukraine forcing the expenditures of Russian resources, makes the ability of the Russians to again, and again less likely.

    Again, in theory that’s possible, but there’s no evidence to suggest that’s true in this case. The mainstream media has regularly had reports from western military analysts claiming that the Russians are soon going to run out of missiles and artillery. There is no evidence that that is happening, nor is it likely to happen anytime soon. Scott Ritter claims that this won’t happen:
    https://consortiumnews.com/2022/06/25/scott-ritter-the-fantasy-of-fanaticism/
    (It’s a good article. Well worth reading, though a little sobering.)

    If Russia is willing to risk losing that which they claim they are fighting for by responding with WMD, then by golly gee — we should oblige them.

    I asked you for your source for the claim that the Russians have threatened to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine – where is it? If you don’t have one, please say so.

    You’ll have to go back in time and review previous discussions when the invasion first occurred. Russia stated her ambitions upfront. They may be a little less bold about them now, but they have yet to openly state, they withdraw from those statements and ambitions. That’s the bed they made.
    Note: players such as yourself don’t get to change the rules or ignore previous tread ground because it is inconvenient.

    I’m not sure what previous discussions you’re referring to. The Russians have already stated that they have 2 primary objectives: demilitarize Ukraine (presumably that means destroy the Ukrainian army), and denazify Ukraine (presumably that means rid Ukraine of neo-nazis in positions of power & influence). I can see them achieving the first, but I don’t know how they can achieve the second. It wouldn’t surprise me if they change their objectives later on.

    I’m not sure exactly what your note pertains to, nor do I understand the reason for your arrogant undertone.

    I will clarify this: I was not supportive of our meddling that placed the Us in the position she is now in. In my view totally unnecessary. However, the reality is that we are here and that must be dealt with as it is. Everyday, we wait is a serious mistake. Sec. Clinton and company engaged in needless meddling. That too is another discussion.

    Thank you, it’s nice to share some common ground for a change. (That’s a sincere comment; it’s not sarcasm.)

    The US should in response to the direct threat to her sovereignty respond in kind with Russia.

    How is the sovereignty of the US being threatened by the war in Ukraine?

    Russian aggression against and in Ukraine invokes the following:

    All Russian advisors of any kind must immediately withdraw from the Western Hemisphere, north and South. Their failure to do so will be seen as a direct threat to the US and her allies in the region. She has thirty days to e gone in total from the immediate sphere of influence and any nation in the hemisphere who abets Russia will be consider a clear and present danger to the US and her allies.

    Russia and said states have thirty days.

    You seem to want an apocalyptic confrontation between the US and Russia, on the baseless assumption that the Russians are trying to march across Europe, country-by-country, threatening everyone with nuclear annihilation should they stand in the way of Mother Russia. I would suggest waiting until they attack the next country after Ukraine before issuing your ultimatum, in order to test the validity of those two tenuous assumptions. IMO, you’ll be waiting a long time.

    I have one final question for you: do you want a nuclear war between Russia and the US?
    (Please make sure to include either a “yes” or a “no” in your answer.)

    …any nation in the hemisphere who abets Russia will be consider a clear and present danger to the US and her allies.

    Warmongering? Really? The world has had enough of wars of choice from the US. They have all be unmitigated disasters (both for the targets, and for the US); and you want more?

  334. darabi says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I have provided you with a link. I don’t understand what do you mean by ‘precise words’. I did not
    made the law, I read it in the media.

    This is another reports by https://www.abc.net.au/

    Victoria has become the first Australian jurisdiction to ban the Nazi swastika, with those who defy the ban to face jail terms and hefty fines.
    Legislation passed both houses of parliament on Tuesday making it a crime to publicly and intentionally display the Nazi symbol — known as the Hakenkreuz. Those who do so could face up to 12 months in jail and a \$22,000 fine.]
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-22/victoria-passes-bill-banning-nazi-swastika/101172344

    This is another link reported by BBC:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-61890577

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  335. Noble47 says:
    @emerging majority

    You might be a victim of Zionist controlled mass media and then again you could be living in a dream-world.

    No, I’m very skeptical when it comes to the mainstream media. Feel free to check out my other posts to allay your fears.

    You might be correct; it may not be declining.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  336. @Noble47

    Delighted to receive that introspective and honest response. That was the mark of a noble spirit.

    • Thanks: Noble47
  337. One question for you, before I start: have you used a different username here in the past?

    No. And you’ll have to indicate this derision. My mistake to respond to the intraparsonal comments. I will avoid doing so going forward.

    “Other than that I know nothing of the OSCE or anything that they’ve reported. Hopefully, I’ll be able to get around to reading these reports that you’ve mentioned.”

    well, if they were ever secrets, they are not now, for three or more months. Here’s a short version, i located this one in less than three minutes

    https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/0/6/39516.pdf

    “You’ve been assuming that the Russians are intent on invading many countries, with Ukraine being the first of many. I see no evidence at all for that. If you have no such source, then please state that.”

    See the above references and here is some reveiw material on site

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/putin-reiterates-logic-behind-ukraine-invasion-again-says-it-wont-be-over-until-it-ends/

    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/lavrov-the-ukrainian-operation-is-intended-to-end-us-world-domination-agenda/

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/page/3/?commenterfilter

    https://www.unz.com/comments/all/page/3/?commenterfilter

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/make-nazism-great-again/

    As stated early on, you are late to this conversation, the issues on the table are not new and i have supplied plenty of references on the issues. So much so they are common knowledge around here as issues. Generally, at the moment, not inclined to dig them up again. Here ya go for some background accordingly

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-russia-is-attacking-ukraine-putin-justification-for-invasion-20

    “I’m not an advocate for Russia. I recognize that propaganda is a powerful tool, and it isn’t just used by the bad guys (Russia, China, Iran, etc.). I subscribe to the belief that western countries also use propaganda, and that it tends to be more sophisticated than propaganda from the bad guys. Western propaganda is targeted at it’s own citizens (with the build up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq being the quintessential example, IMO), and I regard it as a serious threat to democracy.”

    uhhhh, so what, countries use propaganda. That you subscribe to something as obvious as — countries attempt to persuade by media is not profound. It’s the standard. And has no bearing on a justification for invading’s Ukraine.

    In short, i have responded in detail, as opposed to my drothers, in this post i have even provided a brief reader for background, but i would encourage you to the research — and get the full OSCE charter, it’s pretty rich in detail.

    I remain where I came in. The US, NATO, RU and the international community at large should respond in kind to Russian aggression and be unintimidated by Russian threats of nuclear exchange.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  338. @Wizard of Oz

    The only place we can find reference to this alleged quote is on blatantly anti-Semitic sites.

    The reason why that quote is only found “on blatantly anti-Semitic sites” is because Jews scrub the internet on a daily basis, and those are the only sites where the quote is still found.

    The quote you object to does sound exactly like something Bibi Netanyahu would say, just like this quote:

    “If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it does not matter what you do, America is a golden calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the world’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it is the will of God and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again and again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  339. Corrupt says:

    “Iran’s possible expansion of its nuclear program to produce a weapon was effectively impeded”

    Not true. The JCPOA was toothless and did not allow for the inspection off all Iranian nuclear facilities.

    • Replies: @darabi
  340. The war with Iran, Russia, China and Venezuela will end in a civil war within the United States itself. The civil war is the ‘benefit” that the Americans will receive. Americans, just know this… your whole world is about to change. The next president in the USrael will be the one who, after being elected, will start a hot war with Iran.

  341. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    uhhhh, so what, countries use propaganda. That you subscribe to something as obvious as — countries attempt to persuade by media is not profound. It’s the standard. And has no bearing on a justification for invading’s Ukraine.

    All countries use propaganda, in my view. You’d be surprised at the number of Americans who think the US doesn’t – I suspected that you fell into that category. I’m pleased that you claim you haven’t.

    You’ve misread/misunderstood my statement. I have made no such claim that the use of propaganda justifies invading another country. (Frankly, I’m not sure how you drew that conclusion.) However, propaganda can be used to try to achieve any goal, like Bush’s war in Iraq in 2003.

    You might want to consider the possibility that your notion that the Russians are out to conquer Europe is based on western propaganda. There’s no question they’re out of conquer Ukraine, but the two obviously don’t equate.

    [MORE]

    “You’ve been assuming that the Russians are intent on invading many countries, with Ukraine being the first of many. I see no evidence at all for that. If you have no such source, then please state that.”

    See the above references and here is some reveiw material on site

    You list 5 threads at Unz each containing over 100 posts, and expect me to investigate each and everyone for find your source for “Russia intends to conquer Europe”? I read the first article and found no such reference, and I’m not going to search over 300 comments on the article to find any such reference.

    The 2nd article you referenced is better, because it actually quotes Lavrov. That’s what I’m looking for: quotes from Putin or any other high Russian official. Quotes from American military or political sources are often useless because threat inflation is part of their job, unless they can provide documentary or pictorial evidence (or a credible witness) to support their claims.

    I’m assuming you’re referring to this statement by Lavrov:
    “Our special military operation is meant to put an end to the unabashed expansion [of NATO] and the unabashed drive towards full domination by the US and its Western subjects on the world stage”
    I’m also assuming you took that to mean “we’re conquering Europe”. I’m sorry, but that statement just doesn’t equate to “we’re conquering Europe”. Conquering Ukraine stops the westward expansion of NATO and, later in the article, Lavrov even mentions in the quotes that a negotiated settlement would be preferable to military action. …and, again, I’m not parsing through 100+ attached comments to find any embedded references.

    The 3rd and 4th references are identical and completely useless. Why did you even post them?

    In the 5th reference (Escobar’s) there’s no mention of Russia conquering Europe, and forget parsing 300+ comments.

    As you should realize, I’m not going to use filters for references to this subject because there are many, many different ways to say “Russia’s going to conquer Europe”. I could spend hours and hours and still come up empty. So in future, when I ask for a reference/source, please have the courtesy to provide a specific link that actually contains the content I’m asking for. If you have no source, then fine – simply admit it, and we can move on.

    Incidentally, I don’t often ask for a source. I only do so when I can see a poster making statements based on a critical assumption for which I am unaware of any evidence and/or that I suspect/know is false. Believing that Russia intends to invade other European countries after it’s finished with Ukraine is a very important core belief, and if there’s evidence for that, it’s something everyone should know about. However, I’ve yet to see any evidence to support that belief.

    Thank you for linking the OSCE report. That will prove very useful, although it will take time for me to get to it.

    but i would encourage you to the research

    Don’t worry, I try to read source documents whenever possible, time permitting. I never trust other people’s interpretation of source documents – particularly journalists, because they’re lazy and subject to outside pressures. The most recent example of that I’ve encountered was reading article 5 of the NATO charter. Most people think it’s guaranteed protection against attack from an aggressor, but if you read it carefully – it isn’t!

    I remain where I came in. The US, NATO, RU and the international community at large should respond in kind to Russian aggression and be unintimidated by Russian threats of nuclear exchange.

    Have the Russians made a threat like that? You may want to do your own research into that. I’ve not seen any statements by Putin or Lavrov to that effect. I’m not going to ask for a source, given today’s sourcing.

    IMO, if US/NATO troops go into Ukraine (which I doubt will happen since even Blinkin knows the inherent risk of such a move) nuclear war is assured if the US/NATO are not prepared to lose. I also believe that escalation to global thermonuclear war would be inevitable in such a circumstance. … Ashes to ashes; dust to dust…
    Let’s hope and pray that it never comes to that; otherwise it’s all over.

  342. darabi says:
    @Corrupt

    [The JCPOA was toothless and did not allow for the inspection off all Iranian nuclear facilities.]

    Stop your lies. Your Jewish mafia member, Mark Dubowitz from FDD a terrorist organization, spreads the same lies.
    Every one who is familiar with the ‘deal’ knows JCPOA was very good for the zionists’ interests since it stopped Iran’s legal nuclear program where Iran is a signatory to NPT and should have been helped by the agency, not to be punished by illegal economic sanctions that Jewish mafia at the US treasury, designed in order to limit Iran’s economic development. Obama tried very hard to deny Iran’s right to enrichment at home applying illegal harsh economic sanctions, it failed. He was forced to apply JCPOA designed by the US treasury, house of Israel, instead to destroy Iran from within. Iran continued to honor the deal until a year after Trump left JCPOA, in 2019. Trump left JCPOA in 2018 after he failed to steal Iran’s rights to enrichment at home, Then demanded a ‘longer and stronger’ deal instead, to capitulate Iran by demanding from Iran to sign a 12 points ultimatum where targeted Iran’s defense system including Missiles and Drones, otherwise face “Maximum economic Pressure’. Iran refused but survived. Trump was kicked out of the office in 2020.
    Trump did not like the fact he was kicked out of the office. He spread LIES that the election was stolen. Trump sold the office to the Jewish mafia and the ‘Arab head of states’ Israel’s servants, MBS, making \$ billion of dollars. He made millions by pardoning the mafia members, free them from the prison, some had long prison sentences.
    Israel, a country with an ILLEGAL nuclear weapons is NOT in a position to tell Iran not to enrich uranium at home. First, Israel should Dismantle its own illegal nuclear weapons and then shut up. Israel has not signed NPT and does not allow anyone from the agency to inspect its illegal nuclear weapons industry. Israel should acts according to its SIZE. This is a message told to Israeli’s leaders by the former Mossad intelligence agency Director Tamir Pardo. Pardo in an interview said that JCPOA was a good deal and Israel should not get involved in the work Americans are doing. Israel should leave this issue to US leaders, and Israel should act according to its SIZE.
    But the Zionists in tel aviv think that Congress is Israel’s occupied land and they should take advantage of it.
    The terrorist ‘leaders’ of Israel want to weaken Iran like the Arab countries by pressuring Iran not only to recognize the apartheid entity, but also accepts Israel as the leader of the region. Israel will take these wishes into it’s small grave. Iran with over 7000 years of documented civilization will not be intimidated by a small apartheid entity. Your terrorism, assassination of the Iranian scientists, Assassination of the General Ghasem Soleimani or assassination of the Iranian Engineers of Iran’s defense system, including the missile and drone, are not going to deny Iran of her rights. Iran with glorious history being the first world empire ruled wast areas from much of the northwestern Indian Subcontinent (present Afghanistan and most of Pakistan), central Asia to caucus, Armenia, Baku, Georgia, Dagestan (stolen by tsar in 19th century) cannot be intimidated. You cannot control such a country with a glorious history with your stupid ‘maximum economic pressure’ to deny Iran’s rightful position in the region and the world.
    Iran continued to honor JCPOA, until a year after the illiterate president Trump left. Iran after one full year started to decrease its obligations GRADUALLY. Only fools continue to honor the deal while the other side betrayed and left the agreement. The US cannot be trusted, so Israel.

  343. satya says:

    The POLIC to control ‘antisemitism’ & ‘holohoax’ is going to one of the colonies, Saudi Arabia, to check on slaves to see how ‘tolerant’ they are accepting the apartheid entity and forgetting the Palestinian people, the owner of occupied Palestine, to let the ‘normalization’ goes through.

    https://forward.com/news/506040/lipstadt-to-visit-saudi-arabia-on-first-international-trip-as-antisemitism-envoy/

    Ambassador Deborah Lipstadt will travel to Saudi Arabia on her first international trip as special envoy to monitor and combat antisemitism.
    Lipstadt is expected to meet with government officials, civil society leaders and students in Riyadh and Jeddah. She will then travel to Israel and to the United Arab Emirates.

    She always must go to apartheid entity to give a REPORT, like the Israel SPY, Rafael Mariano Grossi, IAEA agent who first went to Israel to give his bad report on Iran to his SUPERIOR Bennett and then went to its agency that pays his salary, IAEA. Shame on you.

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  344. @satya

    Once I became acquainted with Lipstadt and her hideous drawl, I developed a deep sympathy for David Irving. Putting Lipstadt in charge of enforcing ‘antisemitism’ doctrine is, in my opinion, like putting Dracula in charge of the blood-bank, or John Wayne Gacy in control of kiddies’ parties.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  345. @geokat62

    Or, as Ariel Sharon said, in a Cabinet meeting I believe, -‘We, the Jewish people, control America’. Ain’t that the truth.

  346. @Wizard of Oz

    I’ve seen the swastik facing both ways in India, and used Swastik soap and tooth-paste. The blubbering hysteria of certain ‘rabbis’ at the passing of this law was most unedifying. One might as well ask when other symbols of hatred and aggression like the Stars and Stripes, the Union Jack and the Israeli flag are to be banned. Still, the swastika in the context of Nazi crimes is fit to be suppressed.

  347. @darabi

    By “precise words” I meant the words in the legislation which defined what it was that was being banned. The two orientations of the swastika appear to have different meanings and associations though a flag seen from the “back” could be regarded as the other version validated.

  348. @geokat62

    Thanks. I wouldn’t have had my “fake quote” alert fired up by that. It’s all entirely plausible. And a reminder of how much non Israelis need the help of Jews with the brains that make good tax lawyers to sew up good results from diplomacy. I am not Jewish but I have always had that sort of mind and it makes me despair that 99% of politicians and public servants are not only innumerate but incompetent at wielding words with precision.

  349. @mulga mumblebrain

    My sympathies were decidedly not with Lipstadt but how do you explain the utter stupidity of Urving suing her for libel and acting as his own lawyer?

  350. sb says:
    @darabi

    The current Premier of the Australian State of Victoria is about as authoritarian as it is possible to be in a so called Western country . Think a combination of The North Korean Dear Leader and perhaps Beria of KGB fame . The ultimately failed case to get Cardinal George Pell was hatched in his office . He signed up for the ChiComs Belt and Roads Agreement but was put in his place by the Feds over this . There is,fortunately, a limit to what he can get away with being a provincial leader .
    He has no serious opposition in his own Party or in the local Parliament .

    I note that he , being a lapsed Catholic , is known to attend the bah mitzvahs of leading Jewish families .Never heard of any other Premier ever doing this .

    By the way if it comes to banning symbols then surely the hammer and sickle has caused significantly more death and misery than the swastika both internationally and to people living in Victoria . Communism has killed a huge number of people .

    • Replies: @darabi
  351. Athena says:

    US Prepares to Oust Erdoğan
    https://journal-neo.org/2022/06/25/us-prepares-to-oust-erdogan/

    Turkey, UK to upgrade free trade deal to boost economic ties: Turkish FM
    https://www.socialnews.xyz/2022/06/23/turkey-uk-to-upgrade-free-trade-deal-to-boost-economic-ties-turkish-fm/

    “Britain recently lifted all restrictions on arms exports to Turkey as the two governments deepened dialogue after the Ukrainian crisis.”

    “British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace also visited Turkey on Thursday to promote cooperation in the defence industry, according to the Turkish Foreign Minister.”

  352. @Noble47

    You quote

    Moreover Putin himself seems to have effectually denied both the NATO encroachment and “existential threat” themes beloved of those who think they know more about Russia and Ujraine than Russians and Ukrainians.

    and ask

    I’m not aware of any such declaration by Putin. Do you have a source for that?

    You deserve a longer better reply than I have time for but I did start looking through the correspondence I jave had with the only person I know who really knows a lot about Russia and Ukraine (and has made the pointed complaint that Westerners talk about the subject as if they knew more than Russians and Ukrainians and took no notice of them). However it was taking too long so I decided not to presume that you had done all appropriate internet searches and quickly came up via Google with this

    Why is Vladimir Putin attacking Ukraine? He told us. – Vox

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/2/23/22945781/russia-ukraine-putin-speech-transcript-february-22

    and

    How Putin’s myth-making threatens Ukrainian sovereignty – Vox

    https://www.vox.com/2022/1/30/22908600/ukraine-crisis-putin-russia-one-people-myth-nato-europe

    I trust that is helpful.

  353. @Yukon Jack

    https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1dRJZlZYWyXKB

    Geokat62. has provide plausible, indeed almost certainly correct, Netanyahu bossts. You should know your enemy better if you want to get the better of him. As it is false quotes which stink of it undermine everything you argue for. And it makes it worse when you make completely unsupportable allegations about Jews sweeping the internet. Just do the numbers unless you are saying that a tiny fraction of the world’s population has got some supernaturally effective AI working for them virtually uncontested.

    AND take note of what Geokat62 has found on the internet uncensored. It makes the same point as I presume you wish to make but it makes it effectively because it doesn’t sound like an idiot trying to make Netanyahu sound like an arrogant idiot..

    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  354. @Noble47

    I have just found this that I posted elsewhere

    Euan MacDonald (@Euan_MacDonald) tweeted at 6:15 pm on Fri, June 10, 2022:
    It was never about NATO, and always about Russian imperial revanchism. Strike anyone who previously peddled Kremlin propaganda about “NATO expansion” off your list of people to take seriously.
    (https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1535173886551138304?t=U9TTrqyAsmsNoL5d7low3w&s=03)

    If you can read,see and listen to the whole thread it seems to be conclusive that Putin must be defeated.

    I think it reasonable for small countries which have experienced decades, even centuries, of Russian oppression to make application for the protection of NATO, as they did, and be credited as having a much better idea of whether they needed it than those further West.

  355. darabi says:
    @sb

    [By the way if it comes to banning symbols then surely the hammer and sickle has caused significantly more death and misery than the swastika both internationally and to people living in Victoria .]

    How many communists do you see around yourself? I don’t see anyone who uses hammer and sickle to project power or influence the policy like the crowd with the Star of David do.
    Today, the majority of the ‘left’ are phony and promoting the interest of the imperialism and Zionism, and are supportive of their illegal wars against world population in the Middle East, North Africa, West Asia, Central Asia, China, Iran, Venezuela and Russia. I assure you that today no symbol other than Star of David, has caused so much misery in the world. Those pseudo left who are running the show are Neocons, influential in policy making in Washington and Western capitals around the world, promoting the interest of Israel.
    The majority of these phony ‘left’, are coming from Trotskyist background where I don’t trust. One of these fake left is Paul Mason, a British Journalist, who helps the intelligence agencies’ propaganda against their fabricated enemies to fool the public. He is, in fact, one of the Neocons. Today, the majority of the ‘left’ are pro imperialist/zionist’s wars leading the propaganda of lies and deception to fool the public.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/11/21/maso-n21.html

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  356. “All countries use propaganda, in my view. You’d be surprised at the number of Americans who think the US doesn’t – I suspected that you fell into that category. I’m pleased that you claim you haven’t. et al.”

    I have responded to your comments at length again specifically addressing your comments. If fo some reason it doesn’t post. I will respond again.

  357. @darabi

    Did you see the/a picture of a lot of AfD and other pro-Russian demonstrators in (I think) Berlin? They were expensively uniformed and carrying large Soviet style Hammer and Sickle flags.

    • Replies: @darabi
    , @mulga mumblebrain
  358. darabi says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    We are talking about which symbol has power. Do these people and their ‘symbols’ have any real power? When Corbyn,even not a leftist, could not hold on to his power and was kicked out of the office by the people who represented the Star of David, then 100 or 200 people carrying placard sign of Hammer and Sickle is a Joke. The ‘Green party’ who poses as ‘left’ in Germany, in fact is a Zionist party where protects Israel’s interest, more than German’s interests. Russia knows what is the REAL power and that’s why they have entered the game.

    • Agree: mulga mumblebrain
  359. darabi says:

    The latest demonstration against NATO in Madrid. A large number of protesters are carrying the hammer and sickle flags. I hope they are not Trotskyiste.

    • Replies: @emerging majority
  360. nadim says:

    Three Zionist stooges, two Jews and one Arab, from JINSA an Israeli Think Tank and the main architect of Iraq war, have written an opinion piece at ‘ National Interest’ calling for a plan B, more economic sanctions and war against Iran.
    Why did the ‘national interest’ agree to print such a garbage piece at their site, is beyond my imagination. The US presidents, since George Bush, have repeatedly told the apartheid entity that the US policy is not a war with Iran and Israel as an ally must honor our policy. yet, these warnings have not taken seriously by Israeli fifth column in the US and they are using any avenue to wage a war. . The Zionists fifth column refuses to understand that the Neocons plan for Iraq war was not successful. The stooges at the JINSA write:

    [What the United States urgently needs and has lacked is a comprehensive Plan B strategy, where the administration declares a “Biden Doctrine.” This strategy should state that the United States will use all elements of national power, including rigorous sanctions enforcement and military force, to defend vital interests in the Middle East, with the highest priority being preventing a nuclear Iran. U.S. naval forces should emphasize interdicting illicit Iranian oil shipments and prepare for the inevitable Iranian counterpressure at sea by strengthening maritime domain awareness and cooperation among America’s partners through joint training and planning. The U.S. Fifth Fleet should also continue to conduct patrols in the Arabian Gulf and freedom of navigation operations alongside regional partners to ensure safe passage through international waterways. The expansion of initiatives with unmanned systems, like the Fifth Fleet’s Task Force 59, would enable the United States to survive and protect a broader range of the maritime domain.]

    The zionists are angry that Iran has taken her stolen oil tankers back from the US, taken by Greece on US behalf. The Greek court also voted to give the Iranian tankers back to Iran. Yet these terrorists are angry because US piracy was resolved in peace and each side received its own tankers. The Jewish mafia got angry since they believes a golden opportunity to be used and stage an attack on Iran for the interest of Israel was lost. Now, they want to make sure that next time won’t be peaceful if Biden follows their instructions dealing with Iran.
    Please read this piece to understand what kind of people we are dealing with. Is this really the National Interest or is the interest of Israel dictated by JINSA. One should ask from the ‘National Interest” site.

    https://nationalinterest.org/feature/tanker-troubles-america-needs-plan-b-iran-strategy-203124

    • Thanks: mark green
  361. satya says:

    Mark dubowitz twitter account has not been suspended yet. Why is this Zionist propagandists allowed to spread threats in his twitter account against Iran on a daily basis?
    He goes to American and Canadian congress and parliament demanding more economic sanctions and military action against Iran to serve the interest of Israel. He is a fifth column propagandist. Only traitors at these places allow him to spread lies in the parliament to fool the public which is AGAINST American and Canadian people’s interests. When will he be held accountable? The Biden regime should answer now or get lost. Dubowitz’s twitter account is FULL of threats and lies, but his account has NOT been suspended. Look what this Zionist is saying:
    ****
    [Mark Dubowitz
    If you’re quoting IDF officials to support the return to JCPOA, read on. Only a few senior IDF officers support it and those who do want more time to prepare for the bombing of Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    Mark Dubowitz
    @mdubowitz
    “IDF CoS Kohavi opposes return to JCPOA…believes it is dangerous & directed IDF to prepare fresh operational plans to strike Iran to stop its nuclear program. Kohavi’s position regarding Iran is said to be closer to that of Mossad Director David Barnea.”
    ****
    If he is spreading these threats to exert pressure on Iran to give more concessions to the zionist mass murderers, then he is a fool with capital F.

  362. @darabi

    If Trots are involved at some level or another, it is highly unlikely that they could amass that kind of numbers who follow their silly retro-communism. I’ve met a couple of them and they almost drown themselves in Marxist tracts and books. At the same time they are highly dedicated. It’s a form of religion…well organized.

  363. “All countries use propaganda, in my view. You’d be surprised at the number of Americans who think the US doesn’t – I suspected that you fell into that category. I’m pleased that you claim you haven’t.
    You’ve misread/misunderstood my statement. I have made no such claim that the use of propaganda justifies invading another country. (Frankly, I’m not sure how you drew that conclusion.) However, propaganda can be used to try to achieve any goal, like Bush’s war in Iraq in 2003.”

    I have no idea what your point is. War are talking about the Russian invasion. You interjected some comment about propaganda out of the blue. It made no sense to the discussion. Perhaps, you meant, that my positions was based on US news and that is incorrect. I have provided numerous references on the positions I contend. They are data sets, not opinions. If you think otherwise, make your case and support it as I have repeatedly since long before you arrived.
    —-

    “You might want to consider the possibility that your notion that the Russians are out to conquer Europe is based on western propaganda. There’s no question they’re out of conquer Ukraine, but the two obviously don’t equate. m You’ve been assuming that the Russians are intent on invading many countries, with Ukraine being the first of many. I see no evidence at all for that. If you have no such source, then please state that.”

    You are incorrect. At no point at no time , do I ,ame any argument that invading Ukraine was a prelude to conquoring Europe, though I suspect that one could certainly make that case. I do not. I avoid the long arm strategic implications of Pres. Putin’s claims to destroying the unipolar world, for which no evidence exists that such a dynamic is real. But I don’t. I limit my responses to what is on the record as stated by Russian leadership.

    You are engaging creating an argument I am not making (again) and proceeding to argument or suggest that I am either

    1. misleading
    2. mislead or
    3. both.

    There are no contentions by me that the invasion is a prelude to conquering Europe.

    ——————-

    You are taking advantage of my desire to be above board. I as a courteously backtrack to the early discussions from articles three months or past that contain the content relevant to todays discussion — something you should have done, when I stated more than once, that you are entering the discussion of this issue very late in the game. So instead of graciously accepting my desire to add to your knowledge base, you actually engage in critiquing, portions of the relevant material. So what that I accidentally referenced two sections twice. Those are articles are chockablock full of material and comments by me are well supported.

    [MORE]

    The typical practice is that if you want to challenge someone’s position, you take it upon yourself to find the relevant material and present. That is my practice. You repeatedly take my comments out of of context by expanding them to issues, I don’t address. i.e. conquering Europe — don’t make that claim.

    As a courtesy, I will once again supply references for the stated reasons by Russia for invading. It is an area well tread over the last several months, but again as courtesy,

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/13/is-there-any-justification-for-putins-war

    https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-says-ukraine-war-seize-land-russia-undermines-rationale-2022-6

    https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/25/vladimir-putin-presents-rationale-for-ukraine-invasion/

    https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/03/03/putin-justification-invade-ukraine/

    About more than taking back Ukraine

    https://www.barrons.com/articles/russia-war-putin-ukraine-nato-51655924951

    https://www.justsecurity.org/80343/russias-new-assault-on-ukraine-is-not-entirely-maybe-not-even-largely-about-nato/

    The rationale for invasion has been presented By Pres Putin, advisor Lavrov and others numerous times stated in various that can be noted as:

    1. Russia and Ukraine are One country
    2. Ukraine is a made up country and not really a nation at all
    3. removing Nazis
    4. Ukraine is decadent or corrupt – supporting same relational and trans conduct
    5. Russia is being surrounded by NATO
    6. Saving white peoples
    7. Presence of biolabs
    8. Genocide – referring to the civil war
    9. references to the corruption of a jewish president as stated by Pres Putin and others in leadership
    10. Ukraine leaning west
    11. Ukraine’s desire to join NATO
    12. a desire to reestablish the geographical/territorial boundaries of the Russian Federation or that that existed in the early 1900’s

    Nice try. I don’t reference the conquering Europe at all.

    I told you more than once I would not go back and dig up those references from months prior. The sources are there, but if not included in those comments, then they are certainly in those articles, either in the articles or related articles themselves or in my comments. I provided a guide to previous discussions for which you are apparently unaware of that covered nearly every area of discussion you bring to the fore.

    There are several ways by which to support a position

    a. analysis justification
    b. direct source reference material or
    c. any combination thereof

    I have even been known tp provide data sets that counter my position just to make it clear that I have familiarized self with the data and content of the position I oppose.

    If you don’t find my reference material on the OSCE, then you do a deeper search. The one I provided this discussion is helpful, but hardly as indepth as the one from which I cite material and draw my conclusions. It’s an incredible indictment of nearly everyone of Russia’s contentions:

    1. there are no barriers to Ukraine joining NATO
    2. there are no NATO or Ukrainians guarantees that NATO would not include any of the former Russian Federation countries.
    3. it expressly states that no OSCE member should use invasion to settle disputes
    4. it expressly states that member nations will foster democratic solutions to disputes between countries.
    5. etc.
    6. there are specific requirements for OSCE members to share strategic and numerical, types of weapons systems, upgrades, etc.

    It is an outstanding enlightening document. I have no idea why Russia would summon it as a defense and justification

    The fact that Ukraine is not a member of NATO makes any reference to the NATO charter irrelevant to the invasion. What the UN and NATO protocols understand that a nation can act in self defense. Russia’s claims at self defense remain unsupported by their own rationale for war, and the tests by which they demand be made also fail and do so absolutely.

    As for Russia’s threats:
    https://www.ibtimes.com/russia-threatens-nuclear-attack-poland-if-happens-3536866

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/russia-threatens-nukes-for-us-uk-finland-if-nato-expands/

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3ngw4/nuclear-war-with-russia-threat

    https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-first-city-russia-strike-world-war-3-ukraine-1719157

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/05/russia-threatens-full-fledged-nuclear-war-with-nato/

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-tv-says-nuclear-war-only-alternative-to-russia-s-victory-in-ukraine/ar-AAXESgi

    https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/28/politics/russia-nuclear-threats-putin-what-matters/index.html

    Absolutely no question that Russia made threats of nuclear war. And have done so since the days of February and March intially and have continue to use fear mongering to get their way. This is why the US must respond. Because if they bow to the nuclear fear mongering assail, then that will be the standard and the US will impotent in any foreign policy exchange. Because the threat is ever present all the time. If Russia is willing to risk their own extinction, then so be it. You and most others shiver in fear. Whether God wants to permit an annialation of 95% of the population, as you fear is inevitable is totally up to him. Such a conflict would indeed be tragic.

    However, understanding that possible nuclear war is part and parcel to living, has removed that fear wagon off my back and if such is the case, I will stand on my faith that

    as for me and my house, I will stand with God, that the matter is far more positive than fear mongers suggest.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  364. @Wizard of Oz

    They would be Russians, Wizz. Lots of Russians live in Germany, and have been protesting against Russophobic hatred there for some time. Many Russians miss the Soviet, particularly as so many successor States eg the Balt Nazis, the Ukraine Banderists, the Georgian loonies, have been taken over by Russian-hating fascists, the descendants of WW2 fascist allies of the Nazis, and enthusiastic Jew-killers (which doesn’t seem to worry the Zionazis today).. Time to dig up Yeltsin and stick his head on a spike on the Kremlin wall. Like Oliver Cromwell.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  365. @Wizard of Oz

    Garbage. Russia is entitled to see an aggressive US controlled military organisation on its borders, ruled by a gang of FANATIC Russophobe gangsters, as a direct threat. To argue otherwise is LYING or brainwashed gibbering. The US has been actively antipathetic to Russia since 1917, oversaw the looting and destruction of the Soviet Union, then immediately repudiated a solemn promise (which they now mendaciously deny)to NOT expand NATO by driving it right to Russia’s borders.
    To see UK Imperialist thugs raging for suicidal war on Russia as that increasingly rotten off-shore island sinks beneath the weight of moral, intellectual and spiritual corruption, is hilarious. A country that produces ‘leaders’ like that she-male succubus, Liz ‘Surgical’ Truss, is moribund. And good riddance too.

  366. @Wizard of Oz

    You missed the Israeli NSO group’s PEGASUS spyware scandal did you? Or Stuxnet? Or Unit 8200 of the Israeli Death Force? Or Cabyne 911, Comverse Infosys, Cybereason, or Toka, the daddy of them all (that we know of). I believe you may be the most florid ‘useful idiot’ extant, Wizz.

  367. Noble47 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Thank you for the source.

    In my view, any source that claims “it was never about NATO” (by which I take them to mean “Ukraine’s NATO status had zero impact on the Russians’ decision to invade Ukraine“), cannot be taken seriously. It must have had at least some impact on the decision, given that said status is the “brightest of red lines” for the Russians. An objective observer, couldn’t dismiss this out of hand. I could understand him saying that it wasn’t the only consideration (plausible IMO), or that it was less important than the Russians claim it to be (also plausible IMO). I still think the Russians’ stated motive fits best.

    In addition, Euan MacDonald describes himself this way on his twitter account:

    Editor-At-Large for http://english.nv.ua, the New Voice of Ukraine, freelancer for BBC local radio, editor, translator, content creator. RT is Kremlin propaganda

    Does that sound like someone who’s going to try to assess Russia’s motives in an objective manner? I’m sorry, but it really doesn’t.

    I think it reasonable for small countries which have experienced decades, even centuries, of Russian oppression to make application for the protection of NATO, as they did, and be credited as having a much better idea of whether they needed it than those further West.

    I understand their motives for doing so. They are free to make that choice, although acceptance of them into NATO breaks James Baker’s promise to Gorbachev not to move NATO one inch further east, which angers the Russians – but that’s not the fault of those countries that applied for NATO membership after 1990. Ultimately, their NATO status is not nearly as important to Moscow as Ukraine’s NATO status. That’s the one that really upsets the Russians.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  368. @mulga mumblebrain

    Westerners are increasingly behaving like savages. Here in Egypt there are several Russian language TV stations on the telly, all Russian sites are available on the internet including strategic-culture.org, there are signs in Russian everywhere, locals speak Russian, and nobody harassed Russians or discriminates against them. Now this is civilised behaviour. It’s incredible how low the West has sunk in its barbarity.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  369. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Please. I implore you to use the “REPLY” button to comments I make. In almost every instance, you made a NEW POST, and have quoted a comment I’ve made at the top of it. This makes it very difficult to track back the discussion.

    I have no idea what your point is. War are talking about the Russian invasion. You interjected some comment about propaganda out of the blue. It made no sense to the discussion. Perhaps, you meant, that my positions was based on US news and that is incorrect. I have provided numerous references on the positions I contend. They are data sets, not opinions. If you think otherwise, make your case and support it as I have repeatedly since long before you arrived.

    Here is a paragraph you wrote, above:

    uhhhh, so what, countries use propaganda. That you subscribe to something as obvious as — countries attempt to persuade by media is not profound. It’s the standard. And has no bearing on a justification for invading’s Ukraine.

    1. You’re stating that “countries use propaganda”, no qualifiers as to which countries. I take that to mean all countries.
    2. You’re stating it’s obvious that attempting to persuade using the media is propaganda, and is standard operating procedure.
    3. You’re stating this has no bearing on the justification for invading Ukraine, which looks to me like you’re accusing me of stating that it IS a justification for invading Ukraine.

    My response was:

    [MORE]

    All countries use propaganda, in my view. You’d be surprised at the number of Americans who think the US doesn’t – I suspected that you fell into that category. I’m pleased that you claim you haven’t.

    You’ve misread/misunderstood my statement. I have made no such claim that the use of propaganda justifies invading another country.

    Do I need to explain any further?

    As to sources, notice that you’ve stated that propaganda is standard from media outlets. So, why are you giving me a long list of references from western media outlets? Won’t they be full of western propaganda? I was expecting original sources regarding Russia: a document published by the Kremlin, a statement (written or video) by Putin or Lavrov. I also consider the opinions of independent qualified experts who attempt to objectively assess information as being credible sources (not people receiving funding from governments). That’s what I was looking for. Please don’t waste both our times with mainstream media references, because I will not even read it. The OPCE document was a useful source, and for that I thank you. I’m going to look much more in depth as to the content of their source material, and their funding sources. In any event, I won’t be asking you for any more source material.

    Putin’s claims to destroying the unipolar world, for which no evidence exists that such a dynamic is real.

    Do you understand what Putin means by “unipolar world”, assuming that’s a direct quote? He means a world in which the US “calls the shots”, and that other nations are expected to fall in line, or else face the consequences. How can you say there’s no evidence for that? NATO does what the US wants. The 2008 NATO summit statement was a perfect example. In addition, look at all the wars the US has started since 1990, when US unipolar status began. Do you think they would have started all those wars when the world was multipolar (i.e. the Soviet Union still existed)? Very unlikely (particularly in Serbia). It’s hard for me to believe that anyone would question the existence the US’s unipolar status starting from the fall of the Soviet Union.

    Absolutely no question that Russia made threats of nuclear war.

    If there’s no question about it, why didn’t you give me a video of Lavrov or Putin making this point? Mainstream media references are garbage – they are all anti-Russian and make no attempt at objective presentation or analysis.

    What I do recall was Putin stating that the Russians would respond in kind to any western interference in Ukraine. That’s quite different from threatening nuclear war.

    Whether God wants to permit an annialation of 95% of the population, as you fear is inevitable is totally up to him.

    An interesting turn in our discussion, and I’m about to surprise you. No, it’s not totally up to him! He gave man free will. That means man is in charge of this decision, since God didn’t make nuclear weapons, nor did He make the delivery systems we’ve so cleverly designed help incinerate the world. Nor will he be the one “pushing-the-button”. That will be totally on us.

    I happen to be a Christian, and Jesus’ most important command was, “Love your enemies”. If you also are a Christian, then please explain to me how us pushing-the-button is loving your enemies?

    Tell me, EliteCommInc., how do you think God will react to your casual acceptance of the mass murder of almost 7 billion people, and the rendering of his greatest gift to us (planet Earth) as a radioactive wasteland? Jesus wept at the death of his friend, Lazarus – even though he knew he was going to resurrect him shortly afterwards. Where is your compassion?

    Where does Jesus advocate retaliation as being an acceptable action from a person of faith? Don’t bother searching the New Testament, because no such statement exists!!!

    However, understanding that possible nuclear war is part and parcel to living, has removed that fear wagon off my back and if such is the case, I will stand on my faith that as for me and my house, I will stand with God, that the matter is far more positive than fear mongers suggest.

    This isn’t about your ability to avoid fear because you’re “standing on your faith”. That’s a profoundly selfish way of viewing the issue – “I’m not fearing it, so why be concerned”. You may want to consider that your concept of “standing on your faith” is seriously flawed. Instead, why don’t you consider all the needless suffering that would be brought about by global thermonuclear war. Do you really think Jesus would be this callous? I can assure you he wouldn’t!

    Well, this does explain to me why you are so blase about the prospect of nuclear war – so, I guess I should thank you for mentioning it.

  370. @Noble47

    We seem to be in agreement that we can do with vastly more knowledge than the slim pickings of internet searches, factoids and fantasies that most UR commenters shout at us. As it is I cited an article by Anatol Lieven to the person I give most credence to on Ukraine, Russia and their histories and relations, and he was very dismissive of Lieven whom I vaguely remembered as an op Ed pundit. He may be right but I moved on and found a very long remarkable video of Anatol’s brother Professor Dominic Lieven in which he demonstrates a vast historical knowledge and says, inter alia, that, while the West is not without blame for the war the fault is overwhelmingly Russia’s. I have only sampled the 2 hour plus video but it is significant that Lieven describes the motivation of Putin and those close to him as “rage and humiliation” at Russia’s demotion from being a truly great power. There is much much more to enjoy from his deep knowledge and I think my friend may have dropped his suspicions of his being bought by champagne and caviar at the Valdai “Discussion Club” which is what he saw in the brother. Have a look

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  371. @Commentator Mike

    Do I understand you to be saying that Egyptisns are to be regarded as behaving in a more civilised way than the West because they have given free rein to Russian propaganda vehicles like the Strategic Culture Foundation rather than denounce them as the WShington Post did?

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  372. There you go. Unable to come up with suitable and plausible arguments against Russia, you turn to some so-called “expert”, merely another academic, babbling on for the greater glory of the Empire and City of London. Humbug.

    That’s called “argument from authority”, BTW. The current usage of the word “authority” is almost as bad as “progressive” or “normal”. People ought to think for themselves when they throw out opinions.

  373. Noble47 says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Again, thank you for the source. I’ll view it when I have a chance.

    …while the West is not without blame for the war the fault is overwhelmingly Russia.

    That concerns me. Although I haven’t thoroughly looked into ALL the times the Russians have tried to resolve the Ukraine issue with Washington in the past (peacefully, that is), I am aware of enough of them to view with a jaundiced-eye claims that “the fault is overwhelmingly Russia“. I will still view the video, though. He’ll live or die on the merits of his case.

    In 2019, the RAND corporation published a 325-page study titled “Extending Russia”.
    https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

    This report mentions several ways the US can weaken Russia, and one of them is to use Ukraine in achieving this goal. What most people don’t know about a study like this is that RAND doesn’t make a report on it’s own initiative. Elements within the US government must ask for a research paper on the subject, and RAND then goes about researching, assembling, and publishing the report – then delivers it to the customer. Here is clear evidence that the US government was VERY interested in weakening Russia, well before the invasion in 2022 – and one of the ways mentioned in the study has come to pass.

    [MORE]

    See what I’m getting at? The Russians must have known about this report shortly after it was published, if not before – and that alone would make them even more jumpy at every incremental action in Ukraine that concerned them (such as providing Ukraine with NATO training, weapons and ammunition, as well as the increasing numbers of Ukrainian forces at the front line of the conflict in the Donbas).

    I’m sorry to say that, in most cases, when I compare mainstream media articles and statements from western politicians, always portraying Russia as the villain and the west as the rescuing hero – often, once I look at the facts myself without the media spin, the hero is not nearly as good as portrayed, and the villain isn’t as heinous as portrayed. That’s what really upsets me. It’s bad enough having to put up with Russian propaganda, but it so demoralizing to have to sift through western propaganda to boot. Additionally, most people are aware of the Russian propaganda, but oblivious to the western propaganda.
    (heavy sigh…)

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  374. @Wizard of Oz

    Yes. If they don’t censor the BBC and other lying Western media why censor the Russians? In the West you’re being deprived of seeing the other side’s views and are just being pumped with one sided propaganda. Why not allow the other side’s propaganda as it may actually be more truthful than what they feed you?

  375. “This report mentions several ways the US can weaken Russia, and one of them is to use Ukraine in achieving this goal. What most people don’t know about a study like this is that RAND doesn’t make a report on it’s own initiative.”

    Late again, the US has strategic objectives how to defend against most nations considered threats or competitors of the US. News for you, Russia also has similar policies papers in dealing with the US, EU, NATO . . . etc. No doubt the RAND Corporation and along with other think tanks have policy strategies in how to deal with China, N. Korea, Syria, Iran . . . and others. This is hardly shocking or revelatory. As if Russia di not already know and have strategic plans of their own.

    https://warroom.armywarcollege.edu/articles/grand-strategy-clausewitz/

    Strategic planning committees and researchers exist in countries all over the globe that think out ways to defend or offensively defeat potential rivals. Spend twenty minutes reviewing articles on the site and you’ll read numerous accounts and rendition of the military strategies of modern goals in foreign policy.

    https://theintercept.com/2021/09/15/pentagon-funding-think-tanks/

    ————————————

    “If they don’t censor the BBC and other lying Western media why censor the Russians? In the West you’re being deprived of seeing the other side’s views and are just being pumped with one sided propaganda. Why not allow the other side’s propaganda as it may actually be more truthful than what they feed you?”

    More nonsense. Let’s examine some articles:

    https://theconversation.com/how-do-russias-reasons-for-war-stack-up-an-expert-on-just-war-explains-178135

    https://www.npr.org/series/1082539802/russia-ukraine-invasion-explained

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-02-24/explainer-why-did-russia-invade-ukraine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56720589

    More importantly, it s fairly easy to access sources outside of the west

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/24/explainer-russias-invasion-of-ukraine-what-we-know-so-far

    https://www.rt.com/russia/

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/

    Good grief

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    , @Noble47
  376. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    You’ve done it again! OMG, use the reply button for goodness sake.

  377. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Your point is there are lots of other planning studies for other countries & by other countries? Not a terribly pertinent point when we’re discussing the war in Ukraine, is it? The fact that a comprehensive, detailed plan on how to weaken Russia was asked for by very high level US government officials a couple of years before the situation in Ukraine became a hot war indicates people were thinking about how to make this happen – people who were not Russians.

    What a coincidence that their dreams came true and they could use the plans they asked for. Ukraine is a perfect vehicle for bleeding Russia. Did you ever consider that these people (not Russians) set up this situation to provoke the Russians into invading? (“Hmmm, how do we get the Russians to invade Ukraine?”) That paper would serve as the perfect template for a plan like that.

    Nah, the “good guys” would never do something like that, would they?…

  378. Noble47 says:

    You’re being vague. What part of Commentator Mike’s post #382 is “nonsense”? Are we really supposed to divine what you’re talking about by reading a slew of mainstream media references? Have the courtesy to make a concise, clear argument in your posts, please.

    On the plus side, you seem to have overcome your steadfast refusal to go back for old references. I wonder what caused the sudden about-face.

  379. “You’ve done it again! OMG, use the reply button for goodness sake.”

    As a general rule, I don’t use the reply button, and when I do, it is often a mistake.

    One of the irritating things about me. If you choose to ignore my comments, that is fine. The reply has implications that I avoid. Maybe my own brad of Luddite paranoia.

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  380. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Implications?? Please explain. (How very mysterious…)

    Luddites wouldn’t be using a computer – so that ship has already sailed.

    BTW, feel free to enjoy my post #386 to you. This time I’m the one that didn’t use the reply button, LOL.

  381. “Implications?? Please explain. (How very mysterious…)

    Luddites wouldn’t be using a computer – so that ship has already sailed.

    BTW, feel free to enjoy my post #386 to you. This time I’m the one that didn’t use the reply button”

    Your failure here is that you are making assumptions based on what you don’t know. I never complain about the reply button and rarely make comment about anyone’s writing and almost never make comments about a person or attempt top make any any issue about a person as opposed to the topics on the table, unless so related and even then, i don’t do so.

    A luddite is a person who distrusts technology. He may appreciate the pot5ential or gate it the potential. It does not \mean he doesn’t use technology. There are degrees of luddite practice. And there are aspects about what it is about the technology they fear or are concerned doe which they exercise limits, even if such limits rebut the expressed value of the technology.

    Your comprehension of the application of the term is sorely lacking.

    luddite:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17770171

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Luddite

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Luddites/

    https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172

    The term is not necessarily about the technology, but the impact of technology And over time, it’s clear there are a thousand reasons to be distrustful; of tech advances. I appreciate your literal grip of the term , but your literal grip missed the point — context. It was the impact of the technology that one feared, nit be definition the tech itself. For the luddite, the ship has never sailed, its just under constant scrutiny and evaluation for its impact.

    My compyters to a one, that I own are more than fifteen years old. my phone is more than twenty. the new phones have their camera eyes covered. I never download emails from the server. ‘st one fine themselves a slave to facebook and constantly buying technology one does not need or subject tom spying from the phone intended to enlighten your life or slave to signing on to google or MSN to get the full range os services, the constant application of cookies to track monitor, . . . the dangers of technology are exhausting to think about. is great — but it managed on a tight leash. That soon one will be measured by their eye movements, vocal intonations on some app linked to a ph0nem amazon will determine whether you can by or sell by your political views, ebay already targets people based on their views regarding same relational conduct . . .

    Coming to a computer cell phone, door lock, watch, heart monitor, heath monitor near you . . .

    social credit or your media credit report standing to get a job, own a home, buy a car, shop in x restruarant . . .

    luddite.

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  382. Now back to the topic at hand.

    It is technology that is enabling the precarious scenarios all across the globe including eastern Europe where the US is failing to put the mutual assured destruction model to the test . . .

    You might want to sift through t5he articles on this subject to read about the supposed superior technology of supersonic weapons held by Russia causing the US to sit frigid in fear of exaltation.

    The US NATO and the EU, and the international community at large should have acted yesterday in response to Russia’s invasion.

    • Replies: @Noble47
  383. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Your failure here is that you are making assumptions based on what you don’t know. I never complain about the reply button and rarely make comment about anyone’s writing and almost never make comments about a person or attempt top make any any issue about a person as opposed to the topics on the table, unless so related and even then, i don’t do so.

    My first failure was to assume you might appreciate an attempt at a little humour.

    A luddite is a person who distrusts technology. He may appreciate the pot5ential or gate it the potential. It does not \mean he doesn’t use technology. There are degrees of luddite practice. And there are aspects about what it is about the technology they fear or are concerned doe which they exercise limits, even if such limits rebut the expressed value of the technology.

    Your comprehension of the application of the term is sorely lacking.

    luddite:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-17770171

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Luddite

    https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-Luddites/

    https://theconversation.com/im-a-luddite-you-should-be-one-too-163172

    My second failure was to assume you might appreciate another attempt at a little humour.

    Four links about “Luddite”? Even though you erroneously assumed that I was unaware of the definition, that’s a little over the top, isn’t it? One would have sufficed.

    My compyters to a one, that I own are more than fifteen years old. my phone is more than twenty. the new phones have their camera eyes covered. I never download emails from the server. ‘st one fine themselves a slave to facebook and constantly buying technology one does not need or subject tom spying from the phone intended to enlighten your life or slave to signing on to google or MSN to get the full range os services, the constant application of cookies to track monitor, . . . the dangers of technology are exhausting to think about. is great — but it managed on a tight leash. That soon one will be measured by their eye movements, vocal intonations on some app linked to a ph0nem amazon will determine whether you can by or sell by your political views, ebay already targets people based on their views regarding same relational conduct . . .

    Coming to a computer cell phone, door lock, watch, heart monitor, heath monitor near you . . .

    social credit or your media credit report standing to get a job, own a home, buy a car, shop in x restruarant . . .

    As it happens, I share your concerns in this regard. Nice to see some more common ground between us.

    You have no comment on some of my latter, perhaps more provocative comments?
    That’s very unlike you. What’s up?

  384. Noble47 says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It is technology that is enabling the precarious scenarios all across the globe including eastern Europe where the US is failing to put the mutual assured destruction model to the test . . .

    M.A.D attempts to ensure that neither the US nor Russia attempts to destroy the other with a nuclear strike. I’d say that seems to be working, at least so far. Hopefully, that status will remain in effect in perpetuity. China is trying to achieve this status as well.

    You might want to sift through t5he articles on this subject to read about the supposed superior technology of supersonic weapons held by Russia causing the US to sit frigid in fear of exaltation.

    I don’t use this site to gain base knowledge on a given subject – I do that elsewhere. I’m already aware of Russian hyper-sonic technology, or at least their claims to possess it. The US is staying out of open warfare (i.e. boots on the ground – officially) with the Russians for a very good reason. They know the potential consequences of escalation are so dangerous in that scenario, that it’s best to avoid it entirely. We’ve already discussed this at length.

    [MORE]

    The US NATO and the EU, and the international community at large should have acted yesterday in response to Russia’s invasion.

    Are you referring to the mall/store being hit by a Russian missile? I saw the headlines on my local newspaper claiming it was a “terrorist attack”. However, that’s sloppy reporting because there’s a railway line with a repair depot about 500 meters to the east of the mall. A more reasonable explanation would be that the Russian missile missed it’s intended target & hit the mall instead. What possible motive would the Russians have in intentionally targeting civilians in areas they eventually intend to occupy? That would be directly against Russian post-war interests, because it would encourage partisan reprisals against them. A week ago, the Russians also destroyed part of a railway bridge with a missile further west on the western bank of the Dneiper river. They’re targeting selected railway infrastructure and repair facilities.

    I don’t see how the west is going to stop the Russians in Ukraine. You seem to want a substantial escalation from the US/NATO, but they are much more afraid of the potential repercussions than you appear to be. As far as I am concerned, I think that’s a good thing.

    The thing that really stands out to me in this conflict is this: the US government (mainly Blinkin) has stated repeatedly that Ukraine is a vital national interest for the US. “Boots on the ground” would be standard procedure for any threatened vital national interest (regardless of nuclear status), so it’s difficult for me to believe that Blinkin’s assessment is a truthful one. Sadly, the majority of the American public has yet to catch on to this glaring contradiction. The sooner they do catch on, the better. The fact that this glaring contradiction exists makes me mistrustful of USG intentions in this conflict.

  385. @Noble47

    Don’t pay Wizz ANY attention. He is a Rightwing Imperial arse-licker, nothing more.

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  386. j2 says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    “Don’t pay Wizz ANY attention. He is a Rightwing Imperial arse-licker, nothing more.”

    Wizz has been on this site for quite a while and sometimes has quite good comments, unlike you. Actually, Wizz is fine, while you have nothing to contribute.

  387. “M.A.D attempts to ensure that neither the US nor Russia attempts to destroy the other with a nuclear strike. I’d say that seems to be working, at least so far. Hopefully, that status will remain in effect in perpetuity. China is trying to achieve this status as well.”

    Laugh. The Russians have done one better, they are now using that threat to curtail conventional response. It’s the game of the circular wagon never ending because the threat is always there. At some point this time was going to arrive and because as the record indicates it is a direct threat to the The US and her ambitions as well her her choices directly — it is a direct challenge. This is not a proxy gambit as it was in the cold war. This is something entirely different and we had better not pretend it is anything other than that. When Russia made those comments as shocking as they are — it changed the nature of the game. And I am not inclined to pretend as so many others with my fingers crossed.

    “I don’t use this site to gain base knowledge on a given subject – I do that elsewhere. I’m already aware of Russian hyper-sonic technology, or at least their claims to possess it. The US is staying out of open warfare (i.e. boots on the ground – officially) with the Russians for a very good reason. ”

    You missed the point here.

    1. the fact is the discussions are to US response — that propaganda you were on about
    2. I never suggested that you did use the sight for that but I see n o reason why one could not as long as the articles are referenced and or the author is credible.

    “Are you referring to the mall/store being hit by a Russian missile? I saw the headlines on my local newspaper claiming it was a “terrorist attack”. However, that’s sloppy reporting because there’s a railway line with a repair depot about 500 meters to the east of the mall. A more reasonable explanation would be that the Russian missile missed it’s intended target & hit the mall instead.”

    No. Wrong again. This is to the invasion period. I understand why you and advocates such as yourself would like to change the subject away from the violation and the (forever changing) dangerous rationale that supports it. But my comment often used as refrain — we should have responded in kind yesterday to the invasion. The tragedies folding inside are the results of war. And while after the matter is settled, some manner of investigations might be in order — the real substance is the invasion itself.

    “I don’t see how the west is going to stop the Russians in Ukraine. You seem to want a substantial escalation from the US/NATO, but they are much more afraid of the potential repercussions than you appear to be. As far as I am concerned, I think that’s a good thing.”

    In the short term it appears like a good thing. But at the core in the long term, nonsensical. And it is because of the long term repercussions why we must act. Right now Russia is determining the playing field and the game, even her own counterpart to NATO the OSCE disagrees. And the time to act was yesterday, today and now.

    “The thing that really stands out to me in this conflict is this: the US government (mainly Blinkin) has stated repeatedly that Ukraine is a vital national interest for the US. “Boots on the ground” would be standard procedure for any threatened vital national interest (regardless of nuclear status), so it’s difficult for me to believe that Blinkin’s assessment is a truthful one. Sadly, the majority of the American public has yet to catch on to this glaring contradiction.”

    Uhhh no. Just because something is of vital interest does not by itself command boots on the ground. What priority that vital interest has against other vital interests matter. In this case, as you have stated repeatedly, the fear of a nuclear exchange. Snore. Look Russia put that card on the table. The reason we need to call the hand is because Russia’s threat goes directly to US sovereignty.

    a. who we can dance with on the international scene
    b. how we can dance them
    c. the same “a” and “b” for NATO
    d. the region of former Russian states
    e. no less important the stated gals and rationales for Russia’s conduct
    f. the international community at large.

    The reasons for inaction of the course the overwrought fears of nuclear conflict and the fact that we really don’t think Russia is all that much of a threat in the real, except as a nuclear deterrent. That Ukraine is just an exercise of Russian childishness and children can make a mess when they get angry — it’s better to leave well enough alone all the while espousing rhetoric to the contrary. Because I have had respect for the strategic choices made by Pres Putin, the current invasion suggests something far more destabilizing is afoote being pushed inside the Kremlin and I think Germany, Great Britain, Denmark, Belgium, and others in Europe, Poland, Switzerland, Lithuania, etc. know deep down that doing nothing is an error.

    It is correct that we have staked out our positions and would proceed no further two days ago. Once the conversations starts to be about my person or agendas . . . once someone starts making arguments I am not and laying them at my door step. I generally consider the matter has run its course. Russian conduct is unjustified. The rationale for their conduct is not only unsupported b y their own source for the same, in otherwords, I called the Russian bluff by reading through the OSCE and have found them wanting. Ukraine not negotiating, researched Russia’s claim and found them culpable of not cooperating. Having failed on so many fronts as clearly and repeatedly noted and cited . . . .

    I am willing to call them out for nuclear war by coming to Ukraine’s defense.

  388. What’s this “We” business? One might presume you are speaking for both yourself and your tapeworm. The current regime in the Di\$trict of Corruption represents the WarDefense industry and those who own it, not the American people.

    Ukraine is not of vital interest to the American people, merely for the traitors to the Bill of Rights who currently run this ruptured republic. However, Ukraine and Russia are essentially one people and the former was never an independent country until the Yeltsin breakdown.

    When the errant cub is returned to Mama Bear, there should be a definite divorce with Galicia/Volhynia Uniate Catholics, Neo-SS and out and out haters. Those people were far too long smothered under the rule of Warsaw, Vienna and the Vatican to be returned to the fold.

  389. “Your point is there are lots of other planning studies for other countries & by other countries? Not a terribly pertinent point when we’re discussing the war in Ukraine, is it? The fact that a comprehensive, detailed plan on how to weaken Russia was asked for by very high level US government officials a couple of years before the situation in Ukraine became a hot war indicates people were thinking about how to make this happen – people who were not Russians.”

    No the point is that there are think tanks devising policies and some of those think tanks have a different response top Russia than Rand’s policy perspective

    https://perspectives.carnegie.org/us-russia/

    https://www.aspeninstitute.org/

    That’s the point, all across t5he globe think tanks engage in strategizing, singling out one perspective and then making some claim to policy is misleading. I am sure I could find think tanks in Russia that design and plant strategies to defeat the US.

    And just to keep matters honest — The issues regarding Ukraine are not reflective of any US policy to dismantle Russia as Ukraine is an independent sovereign state long before issues before us today. Your contend has been previously presented dressed in the “incorrect” garments.

    ———————–

    I have no idea what your comprehension of luddite is. I just wanted to avoid support for my view, l’est there be complaints about lacking a reference.

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