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The inept course of what passes for United States Foreign Policy continues, with the Trump Administration now going after the nation’s second oldest friend, Great Britain. With Trump having serially insulted America’s oldest ally France last year, it should only have been expected that the Brits would be next on the list, joining the other key European ally Germany, which is being threatened with sanctions over buying gas from Russia.

In the latest episode of international misunderstanding, the British media has aggressively latched on to a traffic death involving the wife of an American government technical employee at a top-secret communications facility in England. The story has been prominent in the U.K. papers since last August, when the incident occurred, with much of the editorializing in England blaming the White House and State Department for a grave miscarriage of justice. The woman, Anne Sacoolas, was reportedly driving on the wrong side of the road near the RAF Croughton airbase in Northamptonshire, which hosts the communications facility, when she had a head on collision with motorcyclist Harry Dunn, killing him instantly.

Sacoolas was questioned by the police and then released with the understanding that the authorities would follow up with more questions if warranted but the U.S. Embassy put her and her husband Jonathan and three children on a plane and flew them back to Washington, claiming diplomatic immunity in the accidental death. The British did not buy into that argument and demanded that Anne Sacoolas be extradited to the U.K. to take responsibility for what she had done, denying that she had diplomatic immunity because she had fled the country without making any such claim.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo rejected the British demands, arguing that “If the United States were to grant the UK’s extradition request, it would render the invocation of diplomatic immunity a practical nullity and would set an extraordinarily troubling precedent.” In simpler language Pompeo was declaring that he would never under any circumstances recognize that the killing of a foreigner might justify allowing an American government official to stand trial, even in a Western European country where the accused would have rights and be treated fairly.

In October Sacoolas was interviewed by British police officers in the U.S. and in December the U.K. government charged Sacoolas with “causing death by dangerous driving” and made clear that it was demanding cooperation from Washington. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson also warned that he would go directly to President Trump over the issue. However, the State Department refused to budge and Sacoolas was last seen pumping gas in Falls Church Virginia.

There is, of course, more to the story. The Daily Mail has published a piece asserting that the husband and wife are actually Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) employees, though she was “not active” in their posting in Britain. The article also states that Anne Sacoolas outranks her husband.

The Mail article relies on unnamed sources and the manner in which it is framed suggests that the United States government is refusing to extradite Anne Sacoolas because she is an intelligence officer, active or otherwise. The implication would seem to be that Washington is fearful lest Sacoolas be questioned by the British police and wittingly or unwittingly reveal details of classified secret CIA operations.

A simpler explanation for the State Department’s unwillingness to compel Sacoolas to return to England would be that it would compromise the cover arrangements at Croughton base. And the claim that she and her husband are both CIA should also be taken with somewhat more than a grain of salt. The media in Europe and much of the rest of the world routinely labels any U.S. intelligence link as CIA. As Croughton is presumably a major communications and “listening post” intercept center for the U.S. government it would include elements of all the alphabet soup that makes up the intelligence community, to include the National Security Agency (NSA) as well as representatives from all the armed services and the State Department.

The argument over returning Sacoolas to Britain centers around the use or abuse of diplomatic immunity. Diplomatic and Consular immunity are defined by the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, which was codified in 1961, but the protections provided are not the same for all employees of embassies overseas. In principle, diplomatic immunity became an established practice to prevent a local government from using the law to maliciously harass the emissary of a foreign country. This has inevitably produced some bizarre cases where the privilege has been abused. Back in 2010, a Qatari diplomat Mohammed al-Madadi was in the news when he was caught by an air Marshal for smoking in the bathroom of a Washington to Denver flight. He joked that he was actually lighting a bomb in his shoes before claiming diplomatic immunity and being released by the police.

In reality, ambassadors and deputy chiefs of mission plus their families have full immunity and can commit any crime, though the host country has the option of demanding that such individuals go home as personae non gratae (PNG). Diplomats with something like full immunity are normally accepted by the Foreign Ministry of the host country and they are then entered on the diplomatic list. Other embassy employees, to include those at Consular posts, have what is regarded as “functional immunity,” which means that they are protected as long as they are performing work that is related to their jobs at the foreign mission. Other embassy administrative employees who have no diplomatic related duties have no immunity at all.

It is by no means clear how Jonathan Sacoolsa, identified both as a “technical” officer and “intelligence officer” by various sources had diplomatic immunity in the first place, as he clearly did not function as a diplomat and was working at a communications site. It is possible that there was some special arrangement made with the British government to cover intelligence officers who were declared to the British security services.

With the Sacoolsa case still roiling the international waters, one would think that the Trump Administration just might talk nice to America’s closest ally to undo some of the damage. But no, Donald Trump does not do nice and is angry with Boris Johnson because British government has contracted with Chinese tech giant Huawei to build part of Britain’s next generation 5G cellular phone network. According to the Financial Times Trump vented “apoplectic” fury at Boris Johnson in a tense phone call before slamming down the receiver. Boris has, as a consequence, canceled an upcoming trip to Washington.

The president, claiming that using Chinese technology is “very dangerous,” a “security issue,” threatened that there would be consequences arising from the British decision, including some limits on the Five Eyes intelligence sharing as well as less willingness on the part of Washington to enter into bilateral trade talks. Johnson, taken aback by the verbal onslaught, argued that there was no commercially available alternative to the Chinese technology to no avail. Trump has also been angered by Britain’s continued adherence to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) intended to monitor Iran’s nuclear program and prohibit development of a weapon. Officials who have been engaged in the management of the bilateral “special relationship” between the U.S. and Britain believe that the rift between the two countries, fueled solely by Trump’s taking personal affront whenever anyone disagrees with him, is wide and growing. If Trump is reelected it is quite likely that by 2024 the United States will have no friends left in Europe.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. El Dato says:

    UK: Abase themselves in front of Golden Calf America in all manner possible, internalizing US State and US Deep State policy fully in internal and external relations, buy F-35s and the pilots that go with it, serve their own ass to the Intelligence Community, and deliver Trump and Putin dossiers as necessary.

    US: “TOE THE FUCKING LINE, SERF!!”

    It’s a Abu Graib out there.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  2. A123 says:

    According to the Financial Times Trump vented “apoplectic” fury at Boris Johnson in a tense phone call before slamming down the receiver.

    FT is part of the Globalist, ultra-left, Fake Stream Media propaganda machine. Trump Derangement Syndrome [TDS] is a requirement to be on staff. FT is so contaminated by TDS that they chose the IslamoSoros as their Person of the Year.

    Everyone should know that this call never happened the way that FT fake-ported it.

    — As the Remoaner flagship they want to lie about BoJo and successful Brexit.
    — As Dhimmis, submissive to Islam, they want to lie about Trump.

    This fiction fits both sides of their agenda at once.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Lot
    • Troll: Antonius
    • Replies: @Lot
    , @NPleeze
    , @silviosilver
  3. Saudi diplomatic staff have a long history of scofflaw behavior in Canada. Parking violations, speeding tickets, unpaid accounts, and assisting rapist countrymen to flee back to SA. They know they can leave their worries behind so they act accordingly.

    Saudis (like Israelis) have no moral authority anywhere, and the US government is slipping into that same Middle Eastern mindset (Bethlehem Doctrine, for example). Its wrong to say this is about Trump, it goes much deeper.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
    • Replies: @Advice
  4. Realist says:

    Trump is an hegemonic, warmongering, asshole and obviously a minion of the Deep State. I very much regret the day I voted for him. He is of no value to the White race.

    • Replies: @John Regan
    , @Tony
    , @getaclue
  5. @Realist

    Although Trump has been a disappointment, I for one am glad that we got him rather than the alternative. And I would say, the one thing that he is not is warmongering. On the contrary, his stubborn refusal to keep the US out of new wars (despite numerous provocations and false-flags by the usual suspects) is very arguably his most commendable achievement so far. In my opinion, that alone justifies a vote on him in 2016. Can we even imagine what Hillary Clinton and her handlers would have made of Syria with our sanity intact?

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  6. Realist says:
    @John Regan

    Although Trump has been a disappointment, I for one am glad that we got him rather than the alternative.

    All Presidents are under the thumb of the Deep State and do their bidding…it has been that way for decades.
    The Deep State doesn’t care about the unimportant internecine squabbles of the ‘two parties’ as long as their important issues are maintained. As a matter of fact it strengthens the false perception that there is a choice when voting.

  7. Dutch Boy says:

    Second oldest friend and also oldest enemy.

    • LOL: Amerimutt Golems
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  8. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    Conservative British people have an almost religious belief in the so called “special relationship”, but the reality is Americans are naturally inclined to be anti-British. They use the British as a convenient scapegoat for the atrocities committed by the settlers against the native Americans and also blame the British for slavery as well.

    Americans don’t see Britain as anything “special”, historically they have tended to side with Britain’s enemies, such as Irish republicanism and also with Argentina concerning the Falkland Islands (which American politicians and media tend to refer to as Las Malvinas). If Brexiteers think Trump or frankly any American president is going to go out of their way to prop up the post-Brexit British economy then I think they are going to be very disappointed.

  9. Anonymous[295] • Disclaimer says:

    The Anne Sacoolas case is very typical of America’s arrogant and dismissive attitude towards Britain in general when our interests don’t suit their own. On top of this the US government has the audacity to complain about Britain dealing with Huawei when they won’t even co-operate with us on an issue as basic as extradition.

    It would be nice to be able to say that the arrogant and mean-spirited attitude of the US government is not representative of what American people think, but judging by the comments I’ve seen on articles about the Anne Sacoolas case it seems most Americans have zero sympathy for Britain and for Harry Dunn’s family and seem to just think that Britain should comply with what ever the US government says.

    • Replies: @Amerimutt Golems
  10. If John Bull ever was CIA’s friend, he’s their dancing boy now that he’s cut off from Europe. It does not matter if Gina hurts her fucktoy’s feelings, or wrecks his sphincter tone with her barbed peg. CIA owns the UK. The UK will do what they’re told.

    As for Sacoolas is not CIA, come on. Our own Craig Murray called bullshit on that off the bat.

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/the-foreign-office-must-be-challenged-over-sacoolas-immunity/

    Maybe you are relying on some menaingless bureaucratic distinction between CIA and the many subordinate entities in which CIA spies are billeted, but the evident fact is, Sacoolas has the same impunity for extrajudicial killing as any other CIA agent. So it’s silly to attribute this to Trump. CIA impunity in satellite states is CIA’s vital interest, and any president is constrained to act exactly in this way (Trump is acutely aware that Hinckley issued from Saint Elizabeth’s killer-zombie factory late in his triumphant presidential campaign.)

    If you recall, Agee gave you guys fits by burning all your fake dips. Everybody knows who they are. Once when your dancing boys pissed the Soviets off they PiNGed all the real dips, leaving only comically useless official-cover spies to do the actual work. It was awesome.

    Your frickin knuckledraggers can’t even drive. How pathetically woeful.

    • Troll: Lot
    • Replies: @Antonius
  11. Delta G says:

    So what? Who cares? The US does not need any friends outside itself. Deport the Blacks and focus on fixing it’s own house. No foreign entanglements. Back to Washington and Jefferson Days. Fix the G-damn country.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Amon
  12. @El Dato

    Brits will deserve nothing but total ridicule if you handover Assange.

    This is on top of shielding imported child rapists.

    Police Scotland took down large-scale asylum seeker grooming gang in Glasgow – but kept it secret
    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5215881/police-scotland-glasgow-grooming-gang-secret/

    • Replies: @Advice
  13. @Anonymous

    It’s not just the British.

    Déjà vu. In 1998 a U.S. pilot’s joyride claimed the llves of 20 people near Cavalese in Italy. Almost similar circumstances and impunity.

  14. @Anonymous

    America has only one special relationship. It is with Israel.

    El Trumpo he is just more open about his disdain for European ‘friends’. This is hardly new.

    Remember the freedom fies rage against France for ‘stepping out of line’ over the Iraq invasion and to a lesser extent Germany? Under wily Obama’s watch the U.S. was spying on Merkel.

  15. She worked in “intelligence” and she did not know which side of the road the British drive on?

  16. Antonius says:
    @Scout's Honor

    Is your brain connected to your spinal column? There is a very good reason why incest is not approved of in the western world. Kindly go fuck yourself.

  17. Sean says:

    Britain refused to extradite pathetic (Truther) Gary McKinnon, the nutter who broke into the classified US government computer system and left threatening messages accusing the US of being in on 9/11, and another hacker called Lauri Love. Both got out of it by saying they had Asperger syndrome and mounting a public campaign. Two faced Boris isn’t really wanting to put this woman on in a British court.

    It never comes as a surprise to me that a teenage motorcyclist is killed, His family, who should have bought him a car, seem to have a crazy spokesman (not a lawyer) who wants to swap her for Prince Andrew. It is difficult to know what she would be charged with but death by causing dangerous driving is the kind of charge that is often reduced and I suspect she has not admitted as much as is being implied in the media. Very unlikely she would be convicted and sent to prison after a trial unless it was a manslaughter charge. What is the point. She had diplomatic immunity as a wife given her husband’s role in the UK and the US would have to have waived it. She spoke to the police in the UK and again in the US and it sounds to me like she is not admitting it was 100% her fault at all.

    If Trump is reelected it is quite likely that by 2024 the United States will have no friends left in Europe

    Trump threatened the UK (and the rest of Europe) with a 25 per cent tariff on their exports to the US when the British government hesitated to officially accuse Iran of violating the 2015 nuclear agreement (which Iran was handsomely paid for).

    https://henryjacksonsociety.org/event/donald-trump-the-making-of-a-world-view/
    Trump has given numerous interviews since the 1980s which do indicate a more consistent insight into his political views, particularly on foreign policy. For example, throughout the 1980s Trump was especially critical of Saudi Arabia, Japan and NATO for not appreciating the security that the US provided them; this remains a priority of Trump’s in the present day. […] Trump is generally much more critical of America’s allies than of its enemies, such as when he expresses admiration for Putin yet advocates higher tariffs on foreign cars that are imported into the US. Putin has clearly exploited this rhetoric in the past and will likely continue to do so in the future. Dr Simms concluded his talk by reiterating that while many people may be concerned by Donald Trump’s comments in recent months, they cannot claim to be shocked or surprised given that he has been making similar remarks for the past thirty five years. Trump’s desire for American greatness is based primarily on trade and economic power and so he is mainly concerned with countries that either rival the US economy (e.g. China) or that undermine American strength by exploiting relations with the US (e.g. NATO). […] Trump does not see himself as an isolationist. He simply rejects the notion of US exceptionalism and wishes to use US power in order to correct this imbalance.

    China overtaking a hollowed out West after a very few decades does not seem to bother the UK or Germany, although both get defended from Russia on the cheap courtesy of the US. Perhaps the essential fact is that Europe is an economic Dead Zone and China is a long way from Europe, so the Europeans see no threat in Chinese commercial infiltration if the price is right. I just know that Boris was promised a cracking trade deal by the Chinese if he bought their 5G system, such access to the massive Chinese market (or being cut out it) are the way they work. ‘Pivot to Asia’ was a thing in foreign policy circles before Trump was elected. Trump’s promise to do something about China was an important part of his electoral platform. Free ride is over for Europe. It is like the unions members in the Eighties suddenly discovering that the soft tough corporate management style was gon and industrial action had consequences: they would be sacked and permanently replaced for going on strike. Privileged access to the American market or the Chinese one, not both.

    • Agree: Lot
  18. Anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

    A simpler explanation for the State Department’s unwillingness to compel Sacoolas to return to England would be that it would compromise the cover arrangements at Croughton base. And the claim that she and her husband are both CIA should also be taken with somewhat more than a grain of salt.

    Judging by the fact that she was driving on the wrong side of the road, I’d say she’s almost certainly a high-ranking CIA employee.

  19. @John Regan

    Mr. Regan, I also voted for Trump against The Pantsuited One. On economic matters, I largely agree with him.

    I invite you to agree with me that two aspects of his foreign policy–his unwarranted belligerence toward Iran, and his pandering to Israel–are disgraceful.

    • Replies: @John Regan
  20. Antonious, my dear, fragile little snowflake, I am ever so intrigued to have triggered your exquisite sensitivities in comment No. 16. What was it I said to release such gouts of pulsing arterial shame?

    Was it candid recognition of Britain’s waiflike rape-me helplessness, with their little rubber ducky Trident that they can’t shoot off without CIA permission?

    Was it teasing over clever people who have made fools of CIA, as CIA makes fools of their blackmailed pedo royals and their courtiers?

    Was it hurtful to think that this clearing barrel can’t even drive on the left, much less do a bootlegger’s turn like they taught her?

  21. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    [Trump has also been angered by Britain’s continued adherence to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) intended to monitor Iran’s nuclear program..]

    EXACTLY. This is the MAIN reason because Trump is Israel’s agent and is trying to break Iran for the enemy of Humanity because ONLY this pimp benefits. Who knows how much help he and his family got from the criminal Jewish bankers and the owner of WHORE houses that he regularly goes to..

    [With Trump having serially insulted America’s oldest ally France last year, it should only have been expected that the Brits would be next on the list, joining the other key European ally Germany, which is being threatened with sanctions over buying gas from Russia.]

    That’s NOT the only reason with Trump. Trump only works for the interest of the Jewish tribe and Israel NOT America. He is a liar when he uses that fake slogan ‘america first’, he always worked and continue to work for ‘Israel first’. You can read the following article to see how much the criminal Jewish Tribe hates Germany for not being 100% in the pocket of a zionist ASSASSIN, Trump against Iran, although everyone knows how zionist stooge Merkle is where Germany has been in the pocket of the zionists since wwII. Please read the following printed by a zionist media Tablet mag:

    “Germany Can’t Stop Loving Iran
    After repeated attempts to thwart U.S. sanctions aimed at Iran’s nuclear program, Trump’s latest moves have left Berlin with few options

    https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/298603/germany-cant-stop-loving-iran

    {The Mail article relies on unnamed sources and the manner in which it is framed suggests that the United States government is refusing to extradite Anne Sacoolas because she is an intelligence officer, active or otherwise. }

    The Mail piece was printed on Feb 8, 2020, where copied from other sources where came out on October 8, 2019

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/10/jonathan-sacoolas-is-not-and-has-never-been-a-diplomat/

    It was Craig Murray who first published the fact that Sacoolas never had diplomatic innunity. Others including the Mail CPIED but did not revealed the sources.

    Murray wrote:

    [Jonathan Sacoolas Is Not, and Has Never Been, a Diplomat.

    Jonathan Sacoolas does not hold, and has never held, a diplomatic rank. He has never been a member of staff of a diplomatic mission. (All those with diplomatic rank appear in the diplomatic list, see above link. That list also includes some attaches who do not have diplomatic rank (depending on the type of attache), but there is nobody with diplomatic rank not in the list).

    Since I published this article the mainstream media, including at least Sky News and the Guardian, have started to report that Sacoolas does not have diplomatic immunity. This is a massive reversal in the MSM line, though to date none have published that he works for NSA or explained the NSA/GCHQ relationship. The MSM are all quoting the lawyer Mark Stephens, rather than this blog, as the source of the information. I would gently note that I can so far find no evidence of Stephens pointing out Sacoolas is not on the Diplomatic List until some hours after I broke the story, and that when he gave radio interviews yesterday Stephens was unaware of the fact.]

    Pompeo is a liar and a war criminals. The assassins and war criminals should be arrested, put on trial and executed to bring peace. How long the delusional want to wait?

  22. @Amerimutt Golems

    America has only one special relationship. It is with Israel.

    Nope. The biggest special relationship is with Saudi Arabia. Admittedly, it is sometimes hard to tell the difference, because Israel and Saudi Arabia are allies.

    • Replies: @neutral
  23. RAF Croughton is unusual among RAF bases, because it has no planes and no runway. It is a listening post. It is unlikely that its American staff have diplomatic status. Anne Sacoolas certainly did not.

    If someone causes death by dangerous driving, then whichever country they live in, the wheels of justice will turn. In the UK the driver will do a short prison sentence. In this case there is no political or diplomatic dimension: Anne Sacoolas should turn herself in and do her time.

  24. Lot says:
    @A123

    Giraldi served for years on the same Council for the National Interest board as this Islamic terrorist serving a 22 year prison sentence:

    https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individuals/abdurahman-alamoudi/

    As Sarah Palin would say, why was he palling around with terrorists?

    • Replies: @TimeTraveller
  25. gsjackson says:

    In the alternate universe of Q, Huawei is regarded as the international Deep State’s very own comm-tech firm, which could explain Trump’s outrage.

    I know — Q may be a lot of nonsense. It’s clearly something, but I have no idea what yet.

  26. Tony says:
    @Realist

    Yeah so you gonna vote for Sanders this time. He’ll be giving your money to the yoms.

    • Replies: @Realist
  27. “the rift between the two countries, fueled solely by Trump’s taking personal affront whenever anyone disagrees with him”

    You yourself listed Huawei and JCPOA, both very legitimate reasons for Trump’s ire. At least try to make your narrative consistent.

    • Replies: @A. Hipster
  28. @Anonymous

    American people are Anglophiles. The government is a different beast.

  29. @Ozymandias

    Huawei: in the Trump universe China has 5G and the USA has not because the ChiComs stole it… and to add an insult to an injury, the ChiComs don’t even provide the NSA backdoors …

    JCPOA; the “legit reasons” are Saudi-Arabia, Israel and Obama making fun of Donald.

  30. Crazy Horse says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    The few who see anything special about the relationship with Britain are the elite Anglophiles in New England who claim Mayflower heritage and of course New York which is totally controlled by the City of London.

  31. The bigger story is the utter imbalance in the US-UK extradition treaty: The US pretty much gets any person it demands of the UK, notwithstanding said persons being exhonorated by UK courts or investigators, while the US can insist that those cleared by its own courts or investigators are not subject to extradition.

  32. Hibernian says:
    @Dutch Boy

    Enemy not just in 1776 and 1812, but also, almost, in the timeframe 1861-65, at least during the first 1/2 of the War. Enemy of the American People if not our Establishment getting us into WW1 on their side. Still it is disgraceful that our govt. is aiding Ms. Sacoolas in evading responsibility for an “accident” which was in fact gross negligence if not recklessness, resulting in the death of a young man. What state secrets is a vehicular manslaughter trial of someone who is not a currently active agent going to reveal?

    • Agree: Dutch Boy
    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    , @lysias
  33. @Anonymous

    ” such as Irish republicanism and also with Argentina concerning the Falkland Islands”

    Regarding Ireland, yes. But when push came to shove in 1981/2 the US gave the UK, not Argentina, satellite intelligence – and this at a time when Israel was helping Argentina mount Exocets on their planes as revenge for Brits hanging terrorists in Palestine.

  34. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    Among the American rank and file, only hardcore IRA collaborators and sympathizers and Che Guevara fans give, or at the time gave, ten cents about the Falklands. In the US only lefty liberation theology types would endorse the term Malvinas, although such people are certainly influential in the media. The ambivalence of the Reagan administration about the Falklands war was related only to the staunch anticommunism of the Argentine military junta. Oh wait, Sec. of State Haig was the son of a Philadelphia Irish mother. (Also a Philadelphia Arch – WASP father.)

    There is a certain degree of Anti-British sentiment not limited to Irish-Americans:

    https://poets.org/poem/paul-reveres-ride

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  35. @Sean

    The Henry Jackson Society seems to exist mainly to provide intellectual justification for US/EUK’s various “Middle East interventions” aka funding, arming and training and giving military support to terrorists, so caveat emptor.

    “It never comes as a surprise to me that a teenage motorcyclist is killed, His family, who should have bought him a car”

    Go to hell. You made some serious points in your post, but sod replying to them. Cretin.

  36. anon[191] • Disclaimer says:

    To protest this mocking of Britain’s sovereignty by the US government, Britain should immediately release Assange. In addition, now that Britain is getting out of the EU, they should get out of Nato and just have agreements with individual countries vis a vis alliances.

  37. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:

    No one seems to talk about Brexit any more. I think there’s a growing sense that it’s turning into a disaster and Brexiteers are shelving the more radical ideas about Brexit in favour of a symbolic Brexit. Boris so far has delivered a Norway/Iceland style arrangement with the EU, which is supposed to end on the 31st of December but I wouldn’t be surprised if it ends up being permanent.

    I suspect the enthusiasm for continuing with Brexit at the end of this year will depend largely on how well the US trade deal negotiations go. I don’t think the US will be likely to give the UK a good deal though, the position of the US political establishment seems to be largely that they would prefer the UK to stay in the EU so they seem to negotiate from the position of defending the EU rather than what is best for the UK.

  38. @Delta G

    Absolutely.
    ” If Trump is reelected it is quite likely that by 2024 the United States will have no friends left in Europe.”
    An event to celebrate for centuries.

  39. @Amerimutt Golems

    “America has only one special relationship. It is with Israel.”
    Never a truer word spoken….

  40. @Sean

    “…does not seem to bother the UK or Germany, although both get defended from Russia on the cheap courtesy of the US. ”
    You are deluded & delusional. Its the US at every turn seeking to heighten tensions with Russia. If the US would just fuck off, there’d be no need for defence. Quite the opposite: all Russia wants is further economic integration with the EU.

  41. Anonymous[394] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hibernian

    There is a certain degree of Anti-British sentiment not limited to Irish-Americans

    A “British accent” in American films almost always signals malevolence, especially when the character is not specifically British.

    The only other accent I can think of that Hollywood regularly use as a stereotypical “bad guy” accent is an Arab accent.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  42. RVBlake says:
    @John Regan

    We are still in Afghanistan, and we refuse to leave Iraq despite its parliament wanting U. S. troops out. And we still support Saudi Arabia’s assault on Yemen. I am aware of no war from which Trump has withdrawn U. S. troops.

  43. Realist says:
    @Tony

    Yeah so you gonna vote for Sanders this time.

    Your comment is obviously meant as a smart ass remark. I will not vote at all. I believe that the solution to the dire situation in, America, will not lend itself to the electoral process…therefore voting is a act of futility.

    • Replies: @getaclue
    , @Tony
  44. neutral says:
    @James N. Kennett

    Oh please that is ridiculous, if Israel and Saudi Arabia became rivals it would be obvious which side would be taken.

  45. Dutch Boy says:
    @Hibernian

    They are “friends” in the same sense that the aggressive panhandler who gets in your face when you are trying to get on your bus is your friend.

  46. lysias says:
    @Hibernian

    You believe the story that she is not currently active?

  47. getaclue says:
    @Realist

    And the viable electable good alternative is? Please advise. Or we should all want Bloomberg and Warren Communists instead?

    • Replies: @Realist
  48. getaclue says:
    @Realist

    Trump is by far, far less terrible than what is being offered by the Dem Communist Party. He is light years better than the Hillary Clinton and her cabal. In these circumstances — Not voting is a useless “protest”.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @NPleeze
  49. Amon says:
    @Delta G

    You lot do seem to live by the old saying. “keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer.”

    And what a team it is. Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Al Qaeda, Ukraine and Somalia. It seems the number one requirement to gin a special place in America’s eyes to engage in genocide on a weekly basis while calling for the death of murica on a daily basis.

    Hell, you allowed two of your enemies to obtain nukes using your own schematics and equipment in return for their support and training of radical muslim terrorists that would love to chop the head off of a white boy.

    Maybe Europe really is better off without you guys.

  50. Realist says:
    @getaclue

    Not voting is a useless “protest”.

    Voting is a waste of time.

  51. Realist says:
    @getaclue

    And the viable electable good alternative is?

    No one…since voting is ineffectual.

  52. Tony says:
    @Realist

    Your comment is obviously meant as a smart ass remark.

    Obviously not. You think the situation is dire now, wait till Sanders gets elected. Not that its gonna happen but the threat is there.

  53. Hibernian says:
    @Anonymous

    I guess that’s why James Bond never caught on in the US. Or the Avengers. Or The Man from UNCLE.

  54. NPleeze says:
    @A123

    A(hole)123 is always a reliable source of TrumpTARD psychopathy.

  55. NPleeze says:
    @getaclue

    Your beloved Orange ZioNazi is an evil traitor/pedophile/war criminal/murderer/adulterer/narcissist/psychopath/…

    And he’s not one iota better than the Wicked Witch, in many respects much worse.

    If you vote for evil you are evil.

    • Replies: @getaclue
  56. Tsigantes says:

    Thank you Mr. Giraldi,

    I have wondered why Ms. Sacoolas hasn’t volunteered to return to Britain and face the court on her own account. Is she forbidden? or does she simply lack a conscience? After all, she killed a young man barely out of boyhood. Obviously a British court would treat her carefully.

    One question: do CIA officers [and related NSA] have some form of immunity? I assume they must, though perhaps not diplomatic.

    • Replies: @Philip Giraldi
  57. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s quite a large percentage of the British population who basically wish that the UK was the 51st state, they make up a big percentage of Brexiteers.

    It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that the Brexit end goal for most of these people is to achieve de facto statehood status with the US. I think it’s quite pathetic that the former colonial power looks up to its former colony, it should be the other way around.

  58. @Tsigantes

    Their immunity depends on their cover. If they have State Department cover and are on the diplomatic list then they have diplomatic immunity. Otherwise no, and they can be arrested when they are out and about working. A number of CIA officers have been arrested through the years in Europe and Asia. They are generally released and sent home after the Embassy works out an arrangement with the local government.

  59. @Orville H. Larson

    I have no disagreements on those points. These are only two of the very many things that Trump could do much better, in both foreign and domestic policy.

    Still, he has not started any new wars. If he can maintain that record through a second term, he will be about the first president to achieve that distinction since … who? Herbert Hoover, maybe? That deserves more recognition than it often receives.

  60. “Britain refused to extradite pathetic (Truther) Gary McKinnon, the nutter who broke into the classified US government computer system and left threatening messages accusing the US of being in on 9/11, and another hacker called Lauri Love. Both got out of it by saying they had Asperger syndrome and mounting a public campaign. Two faced Boris isn’t really wanting to put this woman on in a British court.”

    I am not sure you understand the term categorical distinctions. Hacking and information and behavior resulting on the death of another human being are not quite the same , in this case not even on the same planet. The hacking resulted in — verses driving on the wrong side of the road (if accurate) ended a young man’s life. Whether represented by crystal ball using gypsy or the best UK lawyer in country. This family is entitled to a due process of what occurred and while the young man is deceased, he is as well.

    Australia did not extradite Mr Assange when he was hacking DOD, but was tried in Australia(?) . The processes in place to protect diplomats is long and practices. And if the UK had at any point crossed the line from the accident to intelligence matters, any and all communication could be called to a halt.

    The two issues hacking and accidental homicide are not the same and in this circumstance should not be equated.

    Someone suggested you made some points in your response — I disagree, It’s a hodge podge of disconnected unrelated issues, that you don’t connect.

    Note: I have always considered a valuable ally, especially during the cold war. However, their role in either providing false information or incorrect information of strategic importance to the US in the regions suggests their value has some serious rating issues. There are even serious questions regarding what occurred during the cold war. But that aside, whatever defense I think Israel is entitled needs to answer Miss Jackson’s query:

  61. “Herbert Hoover, maybe? That deserves more recognition than it often receives.”

    The larger issue is immigration. While not starting new conflicts, and I don’t think he will 000 but then I always thought that Pres. bush had no real intention of invading Iraq. I thought it bad idea then and remain so inclined today.

    However, the current executive has boxed himself into a corner

    1. Stated that Russia is an active enemy of the US with charges of espionage, sabotage and murder.
    2. The impeachment hearings had made him vulnerable to factions that are interventionist (by
    impulse)
    3. Those same factions are not supportive of protecting US interests with immigration and border
    enforcement

    Those are pressure points and they have been used quite effectively.

    Most devastating to me has been to discover how deeply corrupted is our system. It is as if nothing and no one does anything based on truth. But self interest or the destruction of others. And there is were the US will continue to die. The complete loss of any commitment to integrity. And it seems no one is satisfied until they can muddy up others. My own circumstances have proven depressingly that the integrity is a luxury , a desert, not a staple food.

    I intend to keep mine whatever the cost. And the country and it silly for the common good, in the best interests of all that force needless sacrifice — can go straight to Hades. Even the n]bankruptcy of supposed christians in the name of Jesus no less — is demonstrating a tragic sense of comedy . . .

    painful to watch and experience.

  62. @Lot

    One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Hezbollah and Hamas should be taken off the terrorist list and Israel put in their place. Neither of the Islamic outfits have threatened me with nuclear terrorism (“the Samson Option”), or any other kind for that matter, and I’m pretty happy that both are still around.
    Nuclear terrorist entities like Israel should be disarmed at the very least, but the better bet is to dismantle it completely.

    • Agree: Orville H. Larson
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. @A123

    FT is part of the Globalist, ultra-left, Fake Stream Media propaganda machine.

    And yet for all that, they’re still a more reliable source of information than zionist hasbara rats.

  64. Lot and A123,

    it is possible to defend the executive without assailing everyone’s character. The long and short, the president of the US has chosen to defend US citizens overseas by any means necessary. That choice may not have the finesse one might want in foreign policy diplomacy, however . . . it has far more veracity than anyone who has a different take is anti- the current president or anti-Israel.

  65. correction:

    it has far more veracity than calling anyone who has a different take anti- the current executive or anti-Israel.

    My standard disclaimer: i am very fond of Israel. Think she has a right to self defense. However, let’s be honest, if the US needed accurate intel regarding the Mideast, Israel’s backyard, that information has been woefully deficit. That’s not supposition,m that is the record.

  66. getaclue says:
    @NPleeze

    Junior High out for break? The people in Libya would disagree quite strongly with you as to Clinton not being light years worse than Trump by the way…with her work there Slavery is actually back and the country is rubble

    • Replies: @NPleeze
  67. It’s true what our host says about locked-up spooks getting sprung. Sabrina De Sousa and Robert Lady got sprung despite complicity in the universal-jurisdiction crime against humanity of systematic and widespread torture. But they got convicted, along with head disappearer and refouler Castelli.

    That’s a deep crack in NATO right there. NATO’s breaking up just like its mirror-image Warsaw Pact did – not along ethnic lines, as CIA always expects, but with tensions between hardline states (CIA asskissers) and softline states. Italy and Spain have functioning judiciaries so they’re unreliable on CIA impunity. Britain is now the premier hardline state, NATO’s DDR.

    For all the bullshit about Brexit, one thing explains it perfectly: UK’s attempted denunciation of the ECHR. CIA needs lawless dictatorships in their satellites. That won’t stand, due to continuity of obligations. Ultimately, all it will do is further erode the UK’s international standing. They lost their seat on the World Court bench. Next they’ll lose ‘waterfall’ privileges in the UN Secretariat and charter bodies. Before you know it, they’ll lose their ridiculous P-5 status.

    So let’s stop pretending this has anything to do with Trump. Obama did the same thing for Ray Davis because CIA had the laser dot on his sweaty puppet forehead too. How did that assertion of impunity work out? Pakistan is now a member of the SCO.

    CIA is riding this land mass down the toilet. When are we going to root them out and try them for their crimes?

  68. Dog says:
    @John Regan

    We ducked a big one when we didn’t elect Cankles!

  69. Advice says:
    @Beavertales

    Harper used to give his Persian spies SA postings for similar reasons.

  70. Advice says:
    @Amerimutt Golems

    Masons don’t out each other’s shops lest they want tight cooch too.

  71. Advice says:
    @Sean

    [Too much random, off-topic nonsense. Keep it up, and all your comments will get trashed.]

  72. In unrelated news, fifth columnists from (((the folks who control the US))) recently tried to get Wellington (NZ) council to formally adopt the IHRA definition of antisemitism.

    Sadly (for them): regardless how careful you are to keep your attempts at influence out of the public eye, there is always a point at which the public has to be notified.

    Once that happened, the public reaction shut that shit down quicker than you can say “Choice, bro“.

    Consistent with what Gilad Atzmon has said about it always having to be about (((them))), a minuscule and irrelevant group of anti-Zionist kikes are pretty much trying to take credit for getting Wellington Council’s tax-eating vermin to refuse to implement the tribe-centric wishes of the Wellington Jewish Council.

    Needless to say: by getting one of NZ’s largest cities to adopt the “[BDS|Pro-Palestine|anti-Zionism] = antisemitism” canard[s] favoured by dishonest fuckbags the world over, the WJC and NZJC were hoping that this would lead to other, smaller, city and regional councils doing likewise.

    Were they trying to find some way to undermine NZ’s support for Palestine at the UN? Good luck with that: it is one of the positions in NZ politics where there is no difference of opinion across the parties, because it’s a very widespread opinion among Kiwis.

    The various foreskin-cult lobby groups really ought to have thought a bit harder: NZ is a country that was prepared to end ANZUS as a regionally-meaningful treaty in order to ensure a sovereign right (the right to ban nuclear vessels from its waters).

    The fact that ANZUS still exists (in name only, as ever) but that US nuclear powered-or-armed warships are prohibited from docking in NZ… indicates that NZ won that one.

    NZ knows it’s a minnow with little regional influence and zero global influence: the terrific thing about being aware of your relative importance (and being a small open economy) is that global bullies and fuckbags can’t do much to you, so you’re literally free to run your own race.

    As a result of that (and the high IQ of its founding population), NZ’s ‘best fit’ analogues on social, economic, freedom and corruption indicators are mostly in Scandinavia – so it’s not surprising that on the whole the Scandos not fond of pushy kikes either.

    .

    Contrast that with Australia – where the political class is desperate to be seen as regional heavyweights and globally influential. The result of that is that Oz politicos drop to their knees and suck kosher cock any time it’s offered – in order to reduce the risk of alienating Zionism’s US gimp.

  73. Ahoy says:

    @ Realist #4

    Your comment is OK but it brings no solution. The whole system is so constructed that it works both sides against the middle, The White Man. Dumb Trump promised to shield the country from the extreme danger of islamists and instead increased the inflow. On the other hand the old communist grandpa is just what his initials indicate, BS.

    You may find this video interesting.

  74. NPleeze says:
    @getaclue

    Has the Orange Satan changed US foreign policy in any way? No. US is still in Libya. And Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq. Even though Iraq demanded US leave.

    But the Orange Satan is also now murdering countless people with sanctions in Iraq and Venezuela, trying to destroy those countries as well.

    I guess by your argument the Wicked Witch is better than the Chimp Shrub.

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