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The deluge of recent reporting regarding possible conflict with nuclear armed North Korea has somewhat obscured consideration of the much higher probability that Israel or even Saudi Arabia will take steps that will lead to a war with Iran that will inevitably draw the United States in. Israel is particularly inclined to move aggressively, with potentially serious consequences for the U.S., in the wake of the recent incident involving an alleged Iranian drone and the shooting down of an Israeli aircraft. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has been repeatedly warning about the alleged threat along his northern border and has pledged that Israel will not be in any way restrained if there are any hostile moves directed against it. The Israeli Transportation Minister Ysrael Katz has warned that Lebanon will be blasted back into the “stone age.”

There is also considerable anti-Iran rhetoric currently coming from sources in the United States, which might well be designed to prepare the American people for a transition from a cold war type situation to a new hot war involving U.S. forces. The growing hostility towards Iran is coming out of both the Donald Trump Administration and from the governments of Israel and Saudi Arabia. National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster is warning that the “time to act is now” to thwart Iran’s allegedly aggressive regional ambitions while U.S. United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley sees a “wake-up” call in the recent shooting incident involving Syria and Israel. The hostility emanating from Washington is increasing in spite of the fact that the developments in the region have little or no impact on vital U.S. national interests, nor is Iran anything like an existential threat to the United States that would mandate sustained military action.

Iran’s alleged desire to stitch together a sphere of influence consisting of an arc of allied nations and proxy forces running from its western borders to the Mediterranean Sea has been frequently cited as justification for a more assertive policy against Tehran, but that concern is certainly greatly exaggerated. Iran, with a population of more than 80 million, is, to be sure, a major regional power but militarily, economically and politically it is highly vulnerable. Its economy is struggling and there is a small but growing protest movement regarding the choices being made for government spending.

Iran’s Revolutionary Guard is well armed and trained, but much of its “boots on the ground” force consists of militiamen of variable quality. Its Air Force is a “shadow” of what existed under the Shah and is significantly outgunned by its rivals in the Persian Gulf, not to mention Israel. Its navy is only “green water” capable in that it consists largely of smaller vessels responsible for coastal defense supplemented by swarms of Revolutionary Guard speedboats.

When Napoleon had conquered much of continental Europe and was contemplating invading Britain in 1804 it was widely believed that England was helpless before him. But Admiral Earl St Vincent was nonplussed. He said at the time: “I do not say the French can’t come, I only say they can’t come by sea.” In a similar fashion, Iran’s apparent threat to its neighbors is in reality decisively limited by its inability to project power across the water or through the air against other states in the region that have marked superiority in both respects.

And the concern over a possibly developing “Shi’ite land bridge,” also referred to as an “arc” or “crescent,” is likewise overstated for political reasons to make the threat more credible. It ignores the reality that Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon all have strong national identities and religiously mixed populations. They are influenced and sometimes more than that by Iran, but they are not puppet states and never will be. Even Lebanon’s Hezbollah, often cited as Iran’s fifth column in that country, is not considered a reliable proxy.

Majority Shi’a Iraq, for example, is generally considered to be very friendly to Iran but it has to deal with considerable Kurdish and Sunni minorities in its governance and in the direction of its foreign policy. It will not do Iran’s bidding on a number of key issues, including its relationship with Washington, and would be unwilling to become a proxy in Tehran’s conflicts with Israel and Saudi Arabia as such a move would be extremely unpopular. Iraqi Vice President Osama al-Nujaifi, the highest-ranking Sunni in the Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi government, has, for example, recently called for the demobilization of the Shi’ite Popular Mobilization Forces or militias that have been fighting ISIS because they “have their own political aspirations, their own [political] agendas. … They are very dangerous to the future of Iraq.”

A seemingly legitimate major concern driving much of the perception of an Iranian threat is the possibility that Tehran will develop a nuclear weapon somewhere down the road. Such a development is quite plausible if only from a defensive point of view as Iran has been repeatedly threatened by nuclear armed Israel and the United States, but the current Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action provides the best response to the possible proliferation problem. The U.N. inspections regime is rigorous and Iran is reported to be in compliance with the agreement. If the plan survives the attacks by the White House, there is every reason to believe that Iran will be unable to take the necessary precursor steps leading to a nuclear weapons program while the inspections continue. And it will be further limited in its options after the agreement expires in nine years because it will not be able to accumulate the necessary highly enriched uranium stocks to proceed if it should ever make the political and economic decisions to go ahead with such a program.

The recent incident involving the shoot-down of a drone alleged to be of Iranian provenance followed by the downing of an Israeli fighter by a Syrian air defense missile resulted in a sharp response from Tel Aviv, though reportedly mitigated by a warning from Russian President Vladimir Putin that anything more provocative might inadvertently involve Russia in the conflict. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accordingly moderated his response but his government is clearly contemplating a more robust intervention to counter what he calls a developing Iranian presence in Syria. It is important to recall that Netanyahu’s prime objective in Syria and Lebanon is to have both nations in turmoil so they cannot threaten Israel. With that in mind, it is wise to be skeptical about Israeli claims regarding Iranian intentions to build bases and construct missiles in Syria. Those claims made by Israel’s Mossad have not been confirmed by any western intelligence service, not even by America’s totally corrupted and subservient CIA.

Netanyahu is also facing a trial on corruption charges and it would not be wildly off target to suggest that he might welcome a small war to change the narrative, just as Bill Clinton did when he launched cruise missiles into Afghanistan and Sudan to deflect congressional and media criticism of his involvement with Monica Lewinsky. Unfortunately, if Netanyahu does wind up being charged and going to prison his successor will likely be even more hardline.

It must be understood that the mounting Iran hysteria evident in the U.S. media and as reflected in Beltway groupthink has largely been generated by allies in the region, most notably Saudi Arabia and Israel, who nurture their own aspirations for regional political and military supremacy. There are no actual American vital interests at stake and it is past time to pause and take a step backwards to consider what those interests actually are in a region that has seen nothing but U.S. missteps since 2003. Countering an assumed Iranian threat that is no threat at all and triggering a catastrophic war would be a major mistake that would lead to a breakdown in the current political alignment of the entire Middle East. And it would be costly for the United States. Iran is not militarily formidable, but its ability to fight on the defensive against U.S. Naval and air forces is likely to be considerable, producing high casualty levels on both sides. How would the U.S. public respond if an aircraft carrier were to be sunk by a barrage of Iranian shore-to-ship missiles? And Tehran would also be able to unleash terrorist resources throughout the region, particularly endangering U.S. military and diplomats based there as well as American travelers and businesses. The terror threat might easily extend beyond the Middle East, into Europe and also within the United States while the dollar costs of a major new conflict and its aftermath could also break the bank, literally. Promoting a robust U.S. role in “regime change” for Iran as a viable military option to support objectives largely fabricated by allies would be a phony war fought for bad reasons. It is not commensurate with the threat that the Mullahs actually pose, which is minimal, and is just not worth the price either in dollars or lives.

[This article is an edited and expanded version of a memorandum that I prepared for Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity which has been released separately on Consortium News].

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is www.councilforthenationalinterest.org, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

 
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  1. geokat62 says:

    Keep ‘em coming, Phil.

    It looks like your truth-telling is slowly catching on. I’ve noticed quite a few other contributors here at UR are willing to wade into the shark-infested waters to keep you company. The more, the merrier.

    P.S. regarding the last sentence in the 2nd paragraph, there may have been a couple of missing words:

    The hostility emanating from Washington is increasing in spite of the fact that the developments in the region have little/no impact on vital U.S. national interests, nor is Iran anything like an existential threat to the United States that would mandate sustained military action.

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    Thanks Geo - corrected!
    , @Dante
    For the USA going to WAR against Iran will lead to WWIII a great conflagration of state/nations armies, their proxys, mercenaries, free lancers, ethnic/national/religious minorities and some capable of nuclear attacks. This WARS will be long, bloody,costly and ultimately useless. The USA can not sustain a long term war, that will degenerate into insurgency, guerrilla, civil militias etc. This insane wars will be 100xs more violent than Vietnam and will not achieve its main objectives will threaten USA internal/external security and Israels viability as a nation state.
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  2. “Time to tell Israel and Saudi Arabia to fight their own wars”

    Too late!

    USEUCOM to Send 2,500 Personnel to Israel for Missile Defense Exercise

    https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/2018/02/22/useucom-send-2500-personnel-israel-missile-defense-exercise.html

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    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
    That's bad news, but it ain't really surprising. Trump has abandoned "foreign policy" to his generals. Ah well, he's no good at it anyway.
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  3. renfro says:

    I think Putin , at least, has told Israel to fight its own wars….but to beware of stepping on Russian interest. Putin can arm up Iran and Syria (and Hez by extension) and let the fur fly.

    (hat/tip to Cloak&Dagger for source)

    Putins Grand Bargin with Israel, Can Israel Digest it?

    Alastair Crooke, Strategic Culture Organisation, 17 Feb 2018

    http://www.conflictsforum.org/2018/putins-grand-bargain-to-israel-can-israel-digest-it/

    excerpts…

    ”Well, what happened is that Israel lost an F16: unexpectedly shot down by the Syrian air defences.

    The message is this: ‘Stability in Syria and Lebanon is a Russian interest. Whilst, we recognise Israel’s security interests, don’t mess with ours. If you want a war with Iran that is your business, and Russia will not be involved; but do not forget that Iran is, and remains our strategic partner’.

    This is Putin’s Grand Bargain: Russia will assume a certain defined responsibility for Israel’s security, but not if Israel undertakes wars of choice against Iran and Hizbullah, or if it deliberately disrupts stability in the North (including Iraq). And no more gratuitous bombing raids in the north, intended to disrupt stability. But if Israel wants a war with Iran, then Russia will stand aloof.

    Israel has now had a taste of President Putin’s ‘stick’: Your air superiority in the North has just been punctured by the Syrian air defences. You, Israel, will lose it completely were our Russian S400s air defences to be enabled: ‘Think it over’.

    And the second: that subsequent Israeli claims that Syria was then punished by Israel through the destruction of 50% of her air defence system should be taken with a big pinch of salt. Recall what Meshcheryakov said: It was a fully integrated, unified Russian-Syrian system, which is to say it had a Russian flag flying over it. (And this initial Israeli claim has now been back-peddled by the IDF spokesman; see here).

    The message is clear: Israel gets Russia’s limited security guarantees, but loses its freedom of action. Without air domination (which Russia already has seized), the assumed superiority over its neighbouring Arab states – which Israel long since has folded into its collective psyche – will see Israel’s wings clipped.”

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    • Replies: @Momus
    Israel periodically destroys Russian supplied Syrian air defense systems. Doing so again in 2018 presents no particular problem; neither would destroying Russian fighters.
    The Turks did that with impunity. Russia has no real strength to project against the might of the IAF, backed by the US.

    Iran sent hostile aircraft into Israeli airspace and paid a price. Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority.
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  4. Giuseppe says:

    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years, but Washington knows that an attack on Iran could ignite WWIII. The same goes for North Korea.

    It’s more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.

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    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years...
     
    See my comment @ 16.
    , @annamaria
    We live, unfortunately in the "interesting time" of weapon-manufacturers/City/Wall Street on the march: https://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-officially-prepares-now-for-war-against-russia/5630328
    "On Wednesday, February 21st, the UK’s Minister of Defence, Conservative Gavin Williamson, announced that the United Kingdom is changing its fundamental defence strategy from one that’s targeted against non-state terrorists (Al Qaeda, etc.), to one that’s targeted instead against three countries: Russia, China, and North Korea. ... The headline in the London Times on February 22nd was “Russia ‘is a bigger threat to our security than terrorists."
    Guess Al Qaeda (ISIS, Daesh, et cet) have become a precious tool for the deciders in the US/UK/Israel. And who is this Gavin Williamson, a new UK’s Minister of Defence? -- A puppet. An ignoramus and pedestrian profiteer with no dignity. In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, "Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall... He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Williamson
    Wow! Some CV for a Minister of Defence. And this politicking weasel steps forward to announce the changes in the UK' “fundamental defence strategy?” -- Bravo to the UK’ security apparatus that has been working tirelessly for the interests of the moneyed (Saville affair anyone?) and which has produced the incomparable Mr. Steele (see the amazing Litvinenko affair and the puerile "dossier") and which now approves Gavin Williamson the Idiot.
    , @neutral

    It’s more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.
     
    Venezuela being close is what makes having a fight less likely than with Iran. Regardless how much propaganda the CIA and its mass media outlets would spew regarding Venezuela, an American attack would be very unpopular across South America. Add the problem of the surge of refugees and the Hispani population in America protesting about a white president killing fellow browns, it would be strategic blunder of Napoleon invading Russia proportions.
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  5. i don’t think Trump is interested in a war with Iran or the ME.

    Follow his actions, not his words.

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    Follow his actions, not his words.
     
    So bearing in mind that in international diplomacy words often are actions, that would be:

    Allowing the US military to establish itself on a long term basis in Syria (completely illegally and with the direct result of perpetuating the war in Syria)

    Encouraging Israel by pandering to their expansionist desires in Jerusalem

    Encouraging Saudi Arabia by continuing to support their war in Yemen and giving them diplomatic backing in their obsessive campaign against Iran

    Pandering to neocon insanity over Iran and especially the JCPOA

    Sure looks to me like someone who either wants more war in the ME or is too stupid or incompetent to rein in his supposed military subordinates. If it's the latter, he might well find his supposed subordinates have railroaded him into a war before he's even noticed what's going on.
    , @Randal

    i don’t think Trump is interested in a war with Iran or the ME.

    Follow his actions, not his words.
     
    Just as a timely PS, consider this latest unconfirmed report on SouthFront:

    Syrian Forces Fire Missiles At US-led Coalition Aircraft Attacking Them In Deir Ezzor – Unconfirmed

    Early on February 27, aircraft of the US-led coalition carried out strikes on Syrian government forces at the village of Salhiya in the province of Deir Ezzor, according to pro-government sources.

    Then, pro-government sources claimed that government forces had reportedly responded with launching anti-aircraft missiles at the aicraft attacking their positions.
     
    It remains to be seen whether or not this particular report will be verified, and to what extent the circumstances might turn out to differ from initial assumptions. But in your opinion, is this the kind of occurrence that would even be possible to imagine, if the US President were not either wanting ongoing war in Syria, or failing to control his military that do?
    , @jack daniels
    I think you are right about Trump's druthers but because he is unable or unwilling to implement the policy of détente with Russia he had intended before all this collusion nonsense started, there is a possibility the hawks will figure out a way to shame him into declaring war.
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  6. Like I’ve said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    May 14, 2018, the day the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, exactly 70 years after the forming of the nation! Thank you President Trump!

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    Are you proud of supporting the anti-American agenda of Zionism?
    , @silviosilver

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen.
     
    That's one idea, sure. I think an even better idea would be to join the war on the side of Iran, using the opportunity to finally remove the Israeli thorn from the side of American foreign policy.
    , @RadicalCenter
    If you have sons and they wish to volunteer to fight Iran in the Israeli military, then more power to 'em.

    But we refuse to risk our son's life to take sides in that conflict. We are Americans and we care first and foremost about our family and our AMERICAN nation. We are not Israelis.
    , @Anthonysonfire
    Are you willing to see the blood of American kids spilled over bullshit and lies? Unbelievable!
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  7. Netanyahu reminds me of what one Rothschild wrote to another around 1890 ‘the only enemy of jews is jews’.

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  8. There are plenty of reasons to be distrustful of Iran. But to date there’s no reason for the US to go to war with Iran.

    This is very simple, should Israel decide to take on Iran that is her choice and her business. If she initiates a conflict, it is fair to allow her to take responsibility for the outcomes.

    And I agree that we should stay out of it. It’s more than Iran, it’s renegotiating Syria, Iraq, Qatar . . . it’s hard to imagine that such a scenario would not become a regional mess.

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  9. @Carlton Meyer
    "Time to tell Israel and Saudi Arabia to fight their own wars"

    Too late!

    USEUCOM to Send 2,500 Personnel to Israel for Missile Defense Exercise

    https://www.military.com/dodbuzz/2018/02/22/useucom-send-2500-personnel-israel-missile-defense-exercise.html

    That’s bad news, but it ain’t really surprising. Trump has abandoned “foreign policy” to his generals. Ah well, he’s no good at it anyway.

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  10. Momus says:
    @renfro
    I think Putin , at least, has told Israel to fight its own wars....but to beware of stepping on Russian interest. Putin can arm up Iran and Syria (and Hez by extension) and let the fur fly.

    (hat/tip to Cloak&Dagger for source)

    Putins Grand Bargin with Israel, Can Israel Digest it?

    Alastair Crooke, Strategic Culture Organisation, 17 Feb 2018
    http://www.conflictsforum.org/2018/putins-grand-bargain-to-israel-can-israel-digest-it/

    excerpts…

    ”Well, what happened is that Israel lost an F16: unexpectedly shot down by the Syrian air defences.

    The message is this: ‘Stability in Syria and Lebanon is a Russian interest. Whilst, we recognise Israel’s security interests, don’t mess with ours. If you want a war with Iran that is your business, and Russia will not be involved; but do not forget that Iran is, and remains our strategic partner’.

    This is Putin’s Grand Bargain: Russia will assume a certain defined responsibility for Israel’s security, but not if Israel undertakes wars of choice against Iran and Hizbullah, or if it deliberately disrupts stability in the North (including Iraq). And no more gratuitous bombing raids in the north, intended to disrupt stability. But if Israel wants a war with Iran, then Russia will stand aloof.

    Israel has now had a taste of President Putin’s ‘stick’: Your air superiority in the North has just been punctured by the Syrian air defences. You, Israel, will lose it completely were our Russian S400s air defences to be enabled: ‘Think it over’.

    And the second: that subsequent Israeli claims that Syria was then punished by Israel through the destruction of 50% of her air defence system should be taken with a big pinch of salt. Recall what Meshcheryakov said: It was a fully integrated, unified Russian-Syrian system, which is to say it had a Russian flag flying over it. (And this initial Israeli claim has now been back-peddled by the IDF spokesman; see here).

    The message is clear: Israel gets Russia’s limited security guarantees, but loses its freedom of action. Without air domination (which Russia already has seized), the assumed superiority over its neighbouring Arab states – which Israel long since has folded into its collective psyche – will see Israel’s wings clipped.''

    Israel periodically destroys Russian supplied Syrian air defense systems. Doing so again in 2018 presents no particular problem; neither would destroying Russian fighters.
    The Turks did that with impunity. Russia has no real strength to project against the might of the IAF, backed by the US.

    Iran sent hostile aircraft into Israeli airspace and paid a price. Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority.

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    Oh the damage control, I`m deafened by the echoes.

    All that "might of IAF" was able to do in Syrian airspace is to drop a gliding bomb or a rocket at yet another hut and then immediately run, and now they will think thrice before even doing that. Oh so mighty IAF won`t approach anything above S-200, and it was made 50 years ago. For a good reason, too, these systems are very capable against F-16s, lol.

    , @Wally
    " Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority"

    Yeah, sure.

    That excuse simply points out Israeli AF incompetence. Israel's defeat at the hands of Hezbollah certainly supports that view for Israeli forces in general.

    BTW, I believe Russia has largely withdrawn, so indeed, Russia would not have "air superiority"

    www.codoh.com

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  11. anon • Disclaimer says:

    A bit OT, but:

    Serious question, though not saying it could seriously happen: What if the US just made Israel the 51st state? The US makes the Israeli population full citizens, and gives it two senators and a dozen or so congressmen. Merge the militaries. Americans would have citizenship there as much as the reverse, with freedom to move to and work in Tel Aviv as in any other American city. (Couldn’t say how Palestine would fit it.)

    Would it cost the US more or less in terms of blood and treasure?

    Who would be most averse/gung-ho, for this?

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    • Replies: @hobo
    Israel would never go for it. After all why settle for " two senators and a dozen or so congressmen" when it already has virtually all of them under its thumb.
    , @EntsmengerIV
    "There is a greater difference between a Jewish soul and a Gentile soul than that between a human being and an animal - The Rebbe aka Rabbi Schneerson the Lubavitcher who claimed to be the messiah
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  12. though reportedly mitigated by a warning from Russian President Vladimir Putin that anything more provocative might inadvertently involve Russia in the conflict. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu accordingly moderated his response but his government is clearly contemplating a more robust intervention to counter what he calls a developing Iranian presence in Syria.

    A novel experience for Nutandyahoo, who is accustomed to hearing his American lackeys ask “How high?” in response to his command for them to jump.

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  13. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    There are no actual American vital interests at stake and it is past time to pause and take a step backwards to consider what those interests actually are in a region that has seen nothing but U.S. missteps since 2003.

    Oh, but there is Mr. Giraldi! It’s the Israel First and to hell with Americans, that will be on nauseating display this coming weekend when AIPAC hosts the annual “I’m an American Traitor Serving Israel” coven in DC.

    US politicians of all sleazes will be on display, groveling before the LOBBY, seeing which one can kiss Israel’s nether regions the best.
    Keep an eye on the toxic ‘Nutty’ Nikki Haley, whom Israel and AIPAC are grooming to be the next POTUS.
    She’ll show those wanna-be traitors what a REAL traitor looks and sounds like, by thundering that Iran must be stopped and by golly, Americans–not her though–would be happy to die fighting for the glory of Apartheid Israel.

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  14. Renoman says:

    Everyone say it with me “NO MORE WARS FOR ISRAEL”.

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  15. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    This is all so stupid. They can all get along just fine IF they don’t seek hegemony.

    Besides, the nation that turned Iraq into a bridge between Iran and Syria was the US. When Hussein ruled, Iraq was a bulwark against Iran.

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  16. Netanyahu is also facing a trial on corruption charges and it would not be wildly off target to suggest that he might welcome a small war to change the narrative, just as Bill Clinton did when he launched cruise missiles…

    Thank God for PG. That concept was been apparent for some time, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen it in print. Thank you, sir, for making the point.

    I hope the Israelis are finally getting fed up that that smirking, arrogant, terrorist and warmonger and send him to a well deserved “retirement” in whatever their worst prison is.

    The fool has been crying “wolf” regarding Iran for decades, and why should anyone in the US give a flip about any existential threats to Israel anyway? Loyal Americans should welcome and support such things in fact. And no one needs to try and convince me that the gangster state has ever done anything good for the US, or that they’re an “ally” or whatever.

    Btw, anyone who claims that Israel is an ally, would need to provide some credible evidence to support the claim. Hint: Don’t make me laugh.

    “The U.S. launched a nuclear cooperation program with Iran in 1957 — …But the U.S. pulled its support when the Shah was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution in 1979.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/world/meast/iran-nuclear-talks-11-things/

    Never forget. Chicken Little has been cackling for decades.

    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979.

    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.

    - Scott Peterson, CS Monitor, (2011)

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84

    PS: I’d like the chance to tell Netanyahoo where to stick that piece of “evidence,” but short of that, it would be nice if some general that has access to the scum, would have the huevos to smack the joker upside the head a few times. Maybe knock a trifle of sense into it.

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    I agree but there are some worse characters jockeying to take his place.
    Which in some ways might be good....they might bring the Israel problem to a head with their war mongering.
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  17. Moi says:

    Our default position is to keep stirring the pot.

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  18. @geokat62
    Keep 'em coming, Phil.

    It looks like your truth-telling is slowly catching on. I've noticed quite a few other contributors here at UR are willing to wade into the shark-infested waters to keep you company. The more, the merrier.

    P.S. regarding the last sentence in the 2nd paragraph, there may have been a couple of missing words:


    The hostility emanating from Washington is increasing in spite of the fact that the developments in the region have little/no impact on vital U.S. national interests, nor is Iran anything like an existential threat to the United States that would mandate sustained military action.
     

    Thanks Geo – corrected!

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    Philip Giraldi,

    Thank you for this. You have provided readers with some compelling arguments against the current Israeli/Saudi/American narrative that something must be done about Iran. You make accurate statements about the belligerence coming out of Israel, and the way it is magnified and reflected by the US media. You argue effectively that the other countries and military powers in the "Shia Crescent" are by no means puppets or pawns of Iran, but actually nations and political / military organizations (Hezzbollah) with their own ideologies and agendas, some of which veer away from those of Iran. These are certainly not nations taking orders blindly from Iran, from Iraq to Syria to Nasrallah in Lebanon. You bring up and then rightly dismiss the idea that Iran will work towards a nuclear deterrent, pointing out that continuing the JCPOA is the best strategy for the prevention of a nuclear-armed Iran. I would further mention that Iran has no desire to wield nuclear weapons; it goes against a religious morality that the nation is fortunate to possess, unlike the US with its ever-shrinking moral compass as the original Christian foundation of ethics is undermined and dismantled. You even delve into the current complicated military situation in Syria, bringing up details about the Syrian shooting down of the IDF fighter, the threat to Israel by improving air defense missile capabilities of the SAA and Hezzbollah and the integration of their air defense systems with the superior Russsian system. You pound in an extra nail with the mention of diametrically opposed Israeli and Russian agendas regarding Syria and Iraq, the former with a desire to destabilize and weaken these nations, the latter wanting to stabilize and enable them.

    You knew there was going to be a "but", didn't you? Even if it seems somewhat minor.

    Your final paragraph is disappointing in a few ways, and perhaps you turned off your self-monitoring software and started repeating mainstream media talking points:

    "Countering an assumed Iranian threat that is no threat at all and triggering a catastrophic war would be a major mistake that would lead to a breakdown in the current political alignment of the entire Middle East. And it would be costly for the United States."

    Yes! I couldn't agree more!! But how would it be costly? You echo the results of the Millenium Challenge 2002 war games exercise when you mention the possibility of the sinking of an aircraft carrier by missile barrage. Well done.

    It's this that doesn't make sense to me:
    "And Tehran would also be able to unleash terrorist resources throughout the region, particularly endangering U.S. military and diplomats based there as well as American travelers and businesses."

    If, as you say, the US made the mistake of "triggering a catastrophic war", in what way would attacks on US military bases and personnel in ANY PLACE IN THE REGION be considered as terrorist? Think about it. Any Iranian military response to an attack by the US would be legitimate, whether the forces were in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, or Turkey. Let's not play the mainstream media game and say that an US attack (which would be the terrorism) would be followed by Iranian terrorism. Please point out any recent cases of Iranian terrorism, documented cases with evidence.

    Finally,

    "Promoting a robust U.S. role in “regime change” for Iran as a viable military option to support objectives largely fabricated by allies would be a phony war fought for bad reasons."

    Excellent!

    "It is not commensurate with the threat that the Mullahs actually pose, which is minimal, and is just not worth the price either in dollars or lives."

    WTF? That's just sloppy. Iran has a functioning sovereign government, and YOU, of all people, parroting the Zionist bs of calling the Iranian government "the Mullahs", a propaganda device designed to evoke images of dirty men in spartan religious edifices with long beards and wild looks in their eyes, is disappointing to say the least.

    Keep up the good work, Phil, I've long been a fan.

    Frankie P
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  19. Giraldi is LAZY and has no energy for it. He does his work from his perch in bucolic Purcellville, Virginia 50 miles west of DC. Doubt he can afford staff with energy. To be effective, you have to tug Superman’s cape from DC, at the Pentagon, on Capitol Hill, at CATO, Heritage, Brookings and then put AEI and the rest on notice, this ain’t happening. I’d mention the press, but WashPost is the city water cooler and Bezos, owning Amazon and the Post isn’t risking his business with the Federal Government to speak out. Wouldn’t hurt to contact Antifa, contract them to grouse against a war. Finally, start the draft up. Nothing focuses the attention and passion of the young like the idea THEY might bleed.

    Nice to pontificate here, no one is influenced.

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    Nice to pontificate here, no one is influenced.
     
    Apply that to your own comment. Let us know the results.

    This, too.:


    Giraldi is LAZY...
     
    , @RobinG
    You've told us where you're perched, in a comfy chair, kibitzing.

    Does attacking Phil - who's actually doing something (about which you're mostly clueless) - make you feel bigger? Must be how you puff yourself up while your Brazilian servant-wife strokes you. (Or has she found greener pastures yet?)
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  20. whyamihere says:
    February 27, 2018 at 6:24 am GMT • 100 Words
    Like I’ve said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    Blah Blah Blah – utterly pathetic you can’t even destroy GAZA because if you could GAZA would be politically and militarily destroyed – you don’t have the balls to do it see if you could you would have done to GAZA what the Americans did to Fallujah or the Russians did to Grozny, and forget Hizbollah you remember what happened to your Merkavas – you have cut tail and ran TWICE from the Hizbollah.

    “The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.”

    Why after 70 years of independence and considering your self a great military can’t you fight your own wars. Do you hear any other proud and independent nation screaming ‘that we are going to war and the Americans should help us’ – pathetic cowards.

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    TIME Magazine March 10, 1973

    Without US help , Israel would not have been born Without US financial and military support ,Israel wouldn’t have survived and prospered .
    , @Wally
    "Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel."

    Just like they did to Hezbollah before.
    Don't make everyone laugh.
    Israelis are mama's boys. They kill children & women rather well, but in a real fight they are pussies.

    Parasite Israel wouldn't last month without US taxpayers money.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/
    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/
    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments
    America's Jews Are Driving America's Wars
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898

    http://68.media.tumblr.com/639563970a638b606f4adb0ef05c778b/tumblr_inline_o7t4eewwJn1r75mb5_500.jpg

    www.codoh.com

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  21. A well done mockery of Netanyahoo’s hysterical BS regarding Iran, here.:

    … CNN noted three years ago (when [Netanyahoo was] trying to destroy the Iran deal at the US Congress), that the Ayatollah Khomeini had “issued a fatwa, a religious decree, saying that Iranian Jews were different to those in Israel and should be considered an integral part of the Islamic Republic”.
    So Jews are actually protected in Iran.

    -Jonathan Ofir, Iran wants to annihilate 6 million Jews — Netanyahu’s Munich rant, interrupted. February 22, 2018

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/annihilate-netanyahus-interrupted/

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  22. My impression is that CIA run out of Jihadis mercenaries.
    So there will be no land invasion of Iran. Maybe some cruise missiles.
    But that is what it is. No other viable option.

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  23. @Giuseppe
    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years, but Washington knows that an attack on Iran could ignite WWIII. The same goes for North Korea.

    It's more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.

    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years…

    See my comment @ 16.

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  24. Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars – ever hear of the six day war, war of independence, etc?

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    The 1973 Arab-Israeli War
    The 1973 Arab-Israeli War was a watershed for U.S. foreign policy toward the Middle East. It forced the Nixon administration to realize that Arab frustration over Israel’s unwillingness to withdraw from the territories it had occupied in 1967 could have major strategic consequences for the United States. . . .

    The Soviets, who were uneager to intervene on behalf of their clients, agreed, but the Egyptians rejected the ceasefire proposal. Wanting to avoid both an Arab defeat and military intervention, the Soviets then began to resupply Egypt and Syria with weapons. By October 9, following a failed IDF counter-attack against Egypt’s forces, the Israelis requested that America do the same for them. Not wanting to see Israel defeated, Nixon agreed, and American planes carrying weapons began arriving in Israel on October 14. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/arab-israeli-war-1973

     

    That US aid to Israel -- pulling IDF's bacon out of the fire -- set in train the Arab oil embargo which threatened to destroy Britain's economy and seriously impacted American citizens.

    Iran was still ruled by the Shah and Israelis were deeply involved -- Iran was a key element in Israel's "Periphery Doctrine"-- in Iran's government; Iran did not participate in the embargo. Some Iranians were angry that Iran was not part of the boycott; they mounted protests against the government, perhaps the beginning of the end of the Pahlavi government.

    All because Israel could not fight the battles it provoked but ran to Uncle Sam to save it.

    , @jacques sheete

    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars...

     

    Ever hear of the Israeli-French-British collusion against Egypt in 1956, aka the Suez Crisis?

    You do have an inkling of the meaning of "collusion,*" do you not?

    Who's the idiot now?

    *

    Definition of collusion
    : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
    • acting incollusion with the enemy
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

     

    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    Without the financial, diplomatic and financial support of the United States Israel would not exist. The Zionist project has always depended on outsiders, the Rothschilds, the Ottomans, the British, German reparations, and now the USA and the diaspora. Why do you think the Israelis and their American friends are so afraid of BDS? Simple, BDS threatens to cut the Zionist enterprise off for international commerce and support.
    , @Kolo
    Moron Alert
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  25. Anonymous • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Trump’s Lockheed Martin sword dance isn’t about fightin’ wars it’s about big houses near where Giraldi lives.

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  26. hobo says:
    @anon
    A bit OT, but:

    Serious question, though not saying it could seriously happen: What if the US just made Israel the 51st state? The US makes the Israeli population full citizens, and gives it two senators and a dozen or so congressmen. Merge the militaries. Americans would have citizenship there as much as the reverse, with freedom to move to and work in Tel Aviv as in any other American city. (Couldn't say how Palestine would fit it.)

    Would it cost the US more or less in terms of blood and treasure?

    Who would be most averse/gung-ho, for this?

    Israel would never go for it. After all why settle for ” two senators and a dozen or so congressmen” when it already has virtually all of them under its thumb.

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  27. @Jim Christian
    Giraldi is LAZY and has no energy for it. He does his work from his perch in bucolic Purcellville, Virginia 50 miles west of DC. Doubt he can afford staff with energy. To be effective, you have to tug Superman's cape from DC, at the Pentagon, on Capitol Hill, at CATO, Heritage, Brookings and then put AEI and the rest on notice, this ain't happening. I'd mention the press, but WashPost is the city water cooler and Bezos, owning Amazon and the Post isn't risking his business with the Federal Government to speak out. Wouldn't hurt to contact Antifa, contract them to grouse against a war. Finally, start the draft up. Nothing focuses the attention and passion of the young like the idea THEY might bleed.

    Nice to pontificate here, no one is influenced.

    Nice to pontificate here, no one is influenced.

    Apply that to your own comment. Let us know the results.

    This, too.:

    Giraldi is LAZY…

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  28. @Darth Maul
    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars - ever hear of the six day war, war of independence, etc?

    The 1973 Arab-Israeli War
    The 1973 Arab-Israeli War was a watershed for U.S. foreign policy toward the Middle East. It forced the Nixon administration to realize that Arab frustration over Israel’s unwillingness to withdraw from the territories it had occupied in 1967 could have major strategic consequences for the United States. . . .

    The Soviets, who were uneager to intervene on behalf of their clients, agreed, but the Egyptians rejected the ceasefire proposal. Wanting to avoid both an Arab defeat and military intervention, the Soviets then began to resupply Egypt and Syria with weapons. By October 9, following a failed IDF counter-attack against Egypt’s forces, the Israelis requested that America do the same for them. Not wanting to see Israel defeated, Nixon agreed, and American planes carrying weapons began arriving in Israel on October 14. https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/arab-israeli-war-1973

    That US aid to Israel — pulling IDF’s bacon out of the fire — set in train the Arab oil embargo which threatened to destroy Britain’s economy and seriously impacted American citizens.

    Iran was still ruled by the Shah and Israelis were deeply involved — Iran was a key element in Israel’s “Periphery Doctrine”– in Iran’s government; Iran did not participate in the embargo. Some Iranians were angry that Iran was not part of the boycott; they mounted protests against the government, perhaps the beginning of the end of the Pahlavi government.

    All because Israel could not fight the battles it provoked but ran to Uncle Sam to save it.

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  29. @Darth Maul
    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars - ever hear of the six day war, war of independence, etc?

    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars…

    Ever hear of the Israeli-French-British collusion against Egypt in 1956, aka the Suez Crisis?

    You do have an inkling of the meaning of “collusion,*” do you not?

    Who’s the idiot now?

    *

    Definition of collusion
    : secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
    • acting incollusion with the enemy

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

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  30. Randal says:
    @Lemurmaniac
    i don't think Trump is interested in a war with Iran or the ME.

    Follow his actions, not his words.

    Follow his actions, not his words.

    So bearing in mind that in international diplomacy words often are actions, that would be:

    Allowing the US military to establish itself on a long term basis in Syria (completely illegally and with the direct result of perpetuating the war in Syria)

    Encouraging Israel by pandering to their expansionist desires in Jerusalem

    Encouraging Saudi Arabia by continuing to support their war in Yemen and giving them diplomatic backing in their obsessive campaign against Iran

    Pandering to neocon insanity over Iran and especially the JCPOA

    Sure looks to me like someone who either wants more war in the ME or is too stupid or incompetent to rein in his supposed military subordinates. If it’s the latter, he might well find his supposed subordinates have railroaded him into a war before he’s even noticed what’s going on.

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  31. annamaria says:
    @Giuseppe
    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years, but Washington knows that an attack on Iran could ignite WWIII. The same goes for North Korea.

    It's more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.

    We live, unfortunately in the “interesting time” of weapon-manufacturers/City/Wall Street on the march: https://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-officially-prepares-now-for-war-against-russia/5630328
    “On Wednesday, February 21st, the UK’s Minister of Defence, Conservative Gavin Williamson, announced that the United Kingdom is changing its fundamental defence strategy from one that’s targeted against non-state terrorists (Al Qaeda, etc.), to one that’s targeted instead against three countries: Russia, China, and North Korea. … The headline in the London Times on February 22nd was “Russia ‘is a bigger threat to our security than terrorists.”
    Guess Al Qaeda (ISIS, Daesh, et cet) have become a precious tool for the deciders in the US/UK/Israel. And who is this Gavin Williamson, a new UK’s Minister of Defence? — A puppet. An ignoramus and pedestrian profiteer with no dignity. In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, “Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall… He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware…” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Williamson
    Wow! Some CV for a Minister of Defence. And this politicking weasel steps forward to announce the changes in the UK’ “fundamental defence strategy?” — Bravo to the UK’ security apparatus that has been working tirelessly for the interests of the moneyed (Saville affair anyone?) and which has produced the incomparable Mr. Steele (see the amazing Litvinenko affair and the puerile “dossier”) and which now approves Gavin Williamson the Idiot.

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    Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials...
     
    Reminds me of a lot of other clueless morons in positions of power. SOme that come immediately to mind are the rectal rims, Netanyahoo ( carpet peddler or equivalent), and Dick(head) Cheney, ( lineman, I think). Then we have the Hillarybeeeest (the psychopathic drunk "loyer" and chronic criminal) and Donnie "Bozo" Trump (inherited wealth yet bankrupt dimwit).

    Not that "credentials" mean anything. Didn't O-bomb-a and The Shrub have advanced degrees from "prestigious" cliques?
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, “Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall… He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware…
     
    This is the age of incompetents who today define contemporary Western leadership. I am almost forced to refer to Al Pacino's magnificent monologue in Devil's Advocate--"We are coming out, guns blazing." In the same time, US Ambassador to UN, Nikki Haley has a proud entry in her resume as a financial officer of a waste management company. We have lawyers and political "scientists" attending couple seminars on nuclear weapons and some short "courses" on "war" and voila'--they are "ready" to take responsibilities, are they? This whole thing is going down the hill pretty fast now. My hope, though, is still with the adults.
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  32. The wars in Iraq and Libya and Syria have been fought by the U.S. for Zionist Israel and the Zionist NWO and for this NWO Americans have fought and died and continue to fight and die to protect AL CIADA aka ISIS which is a creation of the CIA and the MOSSAD and MI6.

    The U.S. government is under Zionist dual citizen control in every facet of the government and as long as this Zionist control continues American troops will continue to be sent into the slaughter house in the Mideast for the Greater Zionist Israeli NWO.

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  33. Sure looks to me like someone who either wants more war in the ME or is too stupid or incompetent to rein in his supposed military subordinates.

    It’s all of the above. Plus he’s no doubt scared _ _ itless about what would happen to any loved ones if he didn’t submit and suck up.

    Disgusting clown.

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    You don't like him. I do, despite his problematic attitudes in many areas, and the ways he murderously misbehaves that are typical of US Presidents.

    It's foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader. Trump is imo the most American President that country has had for decades, despite the unfortunate excess jewish influence on him (which at least is somewhat out in the open), and America should be led by an American leader. He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it's hard not to love him just for that. And he does have a basically patriotic approach to immigration and foreigners (compared to all the available options from the US establishment), and he is not dogmatically antiracist, merely unduly submissive towards the anti-racists on occasion. These are absolutely vital qualities in today's world.

    Trump is a mixed bag. Imo obsessing about him being either brilliant or totally awful is a sign of either ignorance or ideological bias.

    I particularly liked one quote from the recent Wolff hit-book on Trump:

    Wolff quotes an unnamed “foreign model” asking him: “What is this ‘white trash’?”

    “They’re people just like me,” says Trump, “only they’re poor.”
     
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  34. Native says:

    “But Admiral Earl St Vincent was nonplussed.” sounds strange to my ears. Was not nonplussed? Was unimpressed?

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    That was my reaction to the usage as well, but a quick online dictionary check gives:

    non|plussed.
    .

    [nɒnˈplʌst]







    ADJECTIVE
    .




    1.so surprised and confused that one is unsure how to react:

    "Henry looked completely nonplussed"




    2.
    N. AMER.

    informal

    not disconcerted; unperturbed.
     
    It's easy to forget that Giraldi, like most writers here, is a native speaker of American, rather than English.
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  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Keynesian-Pentagon, the mafia profiteers are the problem. These are the army boy evangelicals, the beltway bandit south asians, the hardware and knowledge providers that suck like whore Alan Simpson’s mythical social security recipients on the Federal tit. Mafia Trump has engorged this welfare hog.

    Israel is not “getting anything for free” as the controlled opposition had long propagandized.

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  36. Randal says:
    @Native
    "But Admiral Earl St Vincent was nonplussed." sounds strange to my ears. Was not nonplussed? Was unimpressed?

    That was my reaction to the usage as well, but a quick online dictionary check gives:

    non|plussed.
    .

    [nɒnˈplʌst]

    ADJECTIVE
    .

    1.so surprised and confused that one is unsure how to react:

    “Henry looked completely nonplussed”

    2.
    N. AMER.

    informal

    not disconcerted; unperturbed.

    It’s easy to forget that Giraldi, like most writers here, is a native speaker of American, rather than English.

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  37. A nuclear-armed Iran would inhibit Israeli exercise of hegemony over the Near East.

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  38. Randal says:
    @jacques sheete

    Sure looks to me like someone who either wants more war in the ME or is too stupid or incompetent to rein in his supposed military subordinates.
     
    It's all of the above. Plus he's no doubt scared _ _ itless about what would happen to any loved ones if he didn't submit and suck up.

    Disgusting clown.

    You don’t like him. I do, despite his problematic attitudes in many areas, and the ways he murderously misbehaves that are typical of US Presidents.

    It’s foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader. Trump is imo the most American President that country has had for decades, despite the unfortunate excess jewish influence on him (which at least is somewhat out in the open), and America should be led by an American leader. He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it’s hard not to love him just for that. And he does have a basically patriotic approach to immigration and foreigners (compared to all the available options from the US establishment), and he is not dogmatically antiracist, merely unduly submissive towards the anti-racists on occasion. These are absolutely vital qualities in today’s world.

    Trump is a mixed bag. Imo obsessing about him being either brilliant or totally awful is a sign of either ignorance or ideological bias.

    I particularly liked one quote from the recent Wolff hit-book on Trump:

    Wolff quotes an unnamed “foreign model” asking him: “What is this ‘white trash’?”

    “They’re people just like me,” says Trump, “only they’re poor.”

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    He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it’s hard not to love him just for that.
     
    oh God yes

    (I hate what Trump is doing vis-a-vis the continued use of drones and illegality in Syria, but..)

    damn it is great to see him pissing in these people's faces

    https://i.redd.it/5nyj4xs7z6jx.jpg

    and the list is long of treasonous scum and war pigs galore who Trump is driving apoplectic

    https://worldpoliticus.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/bush-and-mccain.jpg

    from Max Boot to Obama to William Kristol and his pet George Will to the fake news media and assorted shitlibs and Hollywood celebrity elites, Donald Trump has them frothing in their bile, and damn, but that is good.

    here's Trump firing a self-loathing imbecile for referring to himself as 'white trash'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9OdVxqIaA

    just the spectacle of Hillary raving and seething and psychologically unraveling.. is worth the price of admission.

    (compartmentalizing of course the needless deaths being perpetrated by the zios and the MIC. For which I assume Trump is going along with to stay breathing)

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump

    https://viewfromanopenrectorywindow.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ashley-judd3.jpg?w=584

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.
    , @jacques sheete

    It’s foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader.
     
    It's at least equally foolish to think that he gives a flip about anyone but himself and his Izzy masters.

    It's also foolish to trust any person in a position like that; in fact, it's foolish to even put up with a government such as we have.

    So yes, there's a lot of foolishness to contend with and I haven't even started to scratch the surface.

    BTW, who's obsessing over the ditz?

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  39. Randal says:
    @Lemurmaniac
    i don't think Trump is interested in a war with Iran or the ME.

    Follow his actions, not his words.

    i don’t think Trump is interested in a war with Iran or the ME.

    Follow his actions, not his words.

    Just as a timely PS, consider this latest unconfirmed report on SouthFront:

    Syrian Forces Fire Missiles At US-led Coalition Aircraft Attacking Them In Deir Ezzor – Unconfirmed

    Early on February 27, aircraft of the US-led coalition carried out strikes on Syrian government forces at the village of Salhiya in the province of Deir Ezzor, according to pro-government sources.

    Then, pro-government sources claimed that government forces had reportedly responded with launching anti-aircraft missiles at the aicraft attacking their positions.

    It remains to be seen whether or not this particular report will be verified, and to what extent the circumstances might turn out to differ from initial assumptions. But in your opinion, is this the kind of occurrence that would even be possible to imagine, if the US President were not either wanting ongoing war in Syria, or failing to control his military that do?

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  40. Z-man says:

    Unfortunately, if Netanyahu does wind up being charged and going to prison his successor will likely be even more hardline.

    Like I said somewhere else on this site, ‘Yahoo’ is the key, get rid of him and the Zionists will be easier to handle by the Russians and by us. ‘Slick Bibi’ is a master of the Anglosphere having been reared in NYC by his Zionist handlers. Dip shits like Lieberman while being even more virulent Zionists than “Yahoo’ don’t have his catchet and will fold at the first sign of push back by Christian Russia and even post Christian America.

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  41. Joe Hide says:

    Mr. Geraldo,
    Basically correct on your part.
    Iran is an easy fix. Just let the Iranian people change their country. You think many of the churches in the U.S. have more empty pews, you should visit Iran
    Most of the mosques there are struggling. The average Iranian is sick of their rulers, but feel a need for a cohesive military front against imperialistic western control freaks. The solution for Iran, in relationship to the West’s needs, is to support our opposition to the West’s degenerate, control freak, murderous deep state that seeks conflict. That’s why so many of us support Trump. As to those that argue that Trump is a war monger or is the tool of war mongers, get a life. Get off the laptop for a while. Do a wider search for Truth. Get your head out if the media box. Good Luck!

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    Well if you have already done the research, by all means, post the links. This is not antagonistic. I do want to know more about what is going on but if you have information, your argument is better served by adding the links that support it.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    Mr. Geraldo,
     
    Mr. Hiney, who is this person you are addressing to? Do you mean this clown from FOX News? He doesn't publish anything at UNZ--wrong place you chose to address him.
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  42. @whyamihere
    Like I've said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    May 14, 2018, the day the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, exactly 70 years after the forming of the nation! Thank you President Trump!

    Are you proud of supporting the anti-American agenda of Zionism?

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    He's not an American, but a member of the (((tribe))). Why would you expect him to behave any differently?
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  43. There are no actual American vital interests at stake and it is past time to pause and take a step backwards to consider what those interests actually are in a region that has seen nothing but U.S. missteps since 2003.

    “Interests” is such a purposefully-vague word.

    When pundits/decision makers/diplomats speak of “interests,” precisely what do they mean?

    Do they mean, “US corporations with major investments in the area;” or, as was the case with the first US conflict with Iran, back in the late 1800s (if memory serves), that Christian missionaries stirred up a hornet’s nest in a foreign country and had to be rescued? Thus, revising that quasi-Christian impulse to present-day, zionized terms, do “American interests” mean that USA must continue its scorpion-and-frog relationship with Israel because the descendants of the earlier Christian missionaries have now adopted the pseudo-Christian doctrine that zionist Israel is some god-ordained emanation that Christian zionists are religiously required to support (to the last drop of American blood and last US dollar) BTW, US mainstream Christian denominations, particularly those along the Anglo-branch but also including Roman Catholicism, may be less loony in the rationale for their support for zionist Israel, that rationale taking the form of a combination of ignorance (thru brainwashing) and fear, or what Catholics used to call pusillanimity — ‘cowardly spirit,’ but that does not mean that those large, old-line groups will not march firmly in lockstep with any anti-Iran move suggested by Israel and propagandized by US PTB.

    Does the US still maintain the Carter doctrine, that it is in charge of patrolling/controlling the Persian Gulf to ensure security of oil trade and transport? Isn’t China a major purchaser of Arab and Iranian oil, and don’t they have the resources to secure their own trade routes?

    In other words, most of the major institutions for influencing the American people — the administration itself, media, military leaders and profiteers, and the Churches, will continue to propagandize the American people against Iran, because animosity toward Iran is either directly in their interest or because they are too cowardly to stand against what is clearly in opposition to their proclaimed values, and will ultimately act agains the longer-term interests of the American Constitutional republic.

    Based on that assessment, and on what we have to recognize realistically are the limited means we in the anti-war camp have at our disposal, I suggest that the churches present an opportunity for us to make some inroads. Think global, start local — at your local church, its pastor/vestry/men’s group, etc. Prepare brief but well-thought-out pamphlets and/or talks on, say, the real history of zionism: if your target is an Episcopal congregation, point out how zionism is NOT so much a religious movement as a political pursuit; or emphasize how zionists first gained the support of the British government, then killed British troops in order to force the British to leave Palestine. http://www.britishforcesinpalestine.org/attacks/sergeants.html

    Or take the opposite approach: demonstrate how much more closely aligned New Testament values and traditions are with Persian, and its core Zoroastrian values, in stark contrast to militarized zionism and the extent to which US relationship with Israel has engendered the increasing militarization of USA.

    Or take a George Washington view coupled with best chance for economic prosperity and peace: no foreign entanglements or special relationships, but trade with all, particularly, participate in — rather than oppose or attempt to derail OBOR as well as Iranian prosperity.

    The Christian churches need to be awakened to the degree to which their beliefs and values are being debased, and through them, the moral authority of the USA itself, by their mind-numbed complicity with the zionist project.

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  44. @Darth Maul
    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars - ever hear of the six day war, war of independence, etc?

    Without the financial, diplomatic and financial support of the United States Israel would not exist. The Zionist project has always depended on outsiders, the Rothschilds, the Ottomans, the British, German reparations, and now the USA and the diaspora. Why do you think the Israelis and their American friends are so afraid of BDS? Simple, BDS threatens to cut the Zionist enterprise off for international commerce and support.

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  45. @whyamihere
    Like I've said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    May 14, 2018, the day the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, exactly 70 years after the forming of the nation! Thank you President Trump!

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen.

    That’s one idea, sure. I think an even better idea would be to join the war on the side of Iran, using the opportunity to finally remove the Israeli thorn from the side of American foreign policy.

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    Spot on.

    USA has far more in common, values-wise, with Iran than with the Zionist enclave.

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  46. I really have to take issue with Giraldi’s passivity here. Why should Israel merely be told to fight its own wars? Why, in other words, shouldn’t Israel be held to the same standards as Serbia? If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel to prevent (or rather, halt) an even greater humanitarian tragedy. Come on, Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.

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    If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel...
     
    I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia. What I found out later (reading Stephen Sniegoski’s Transparent Cabal) though was that it was our dearly beloved neocons who pushed for attacking Serbia by setting up the Balkan Action Committee. Prof. Sniegoski clearly articulated their objective:

    The attack on Serbia, ostensibly for humanitarian reasons, provided the intellectual groundwork for the attack on Iraq, since it set the precedent of violating international law’s prohibition against initiating offensive wars.
     
    Oh, and regarding your Parthian shot:

    Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.
     
    Phil’s moral horizon is just fine. It’s you who needs to expand your knowledge of historical facts, feller.
    , @Z-man
    Speaking of passivity Pat Buchanan, my liege, has been very passive lately in his anti Zionist rhetoric. I don't know if its old age or him trying to protect his legacy but all I can say is; Pat, the Jews already have you down as an anti Semite, Bill Maher has an entire list of jokes to use on you, so how much could your legacy be tarnished any more. Speak the truth as Jesus would want you to and your reputation and admirers will undoubtedly grow.
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  47. Those corruption charges look a bit thin. The bribery charge might stick, but when juxtaposed against how affairs are conducted among the elite, even that gets blighted.

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  48. neutral says:
    @Giuseppe
    Netanyahu has been yakking like that about Iran for 15 years, but Washington knows that an attack on Iran could ignite WWIII. The same goes for North Korea.

    It's more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.

    It’s more likely Washington will end up picking a fight with Venezuela, a conflict thought not likely to ignite a wider war. Venezuela has no powerful friends and Venezuela is close.

    Venezuela being close is what makes having a fight less likely than with Iran. Regardless how much propaganda the CIA and its mass media outlets would spew regarding Venezuela, an American attack would be very unpopular across South America. Add the problem of the surge of refugees and the Hispani population in America protesting about a white president killing fellow browns, it would be strategic blunder of Napoleon invading Russia proportions.

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  49. Zumbuddi says:
    @silviosilver

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen.
     
    That's one idea, sure. I think an even better idea would be to join the war on the side of Iran, using the opportunity to finally remove the Israeli thorn from the side of American foreign policy.

    Spot on.

    USA has far more in common, values-wise, with Iran than with the Zionist enclave.

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    Wrong. If we are just talking values, that would be incorrect.
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  50. MarkinLA says:
    @Joe Hide
    Mr. Geraldo,
    Basically correct on your part.
    Iran is an easy fix. Just let the Iranian people change their country. You think many of the churches in the U.S. have more empty pews, you should visit Iran
    Most of the mosques there are struggling. The average Iranian is sick of their rulers, but feel a need for a cohesive military front against imperialistic western control freaks. The solution for Iran, in relationship to the West's needs, is to support our opposition to the West's degenerate, control freak, murderous deep state that seeks conflict. That's why so many of us support Trump. As to those that argue that Trump is a war monger or is the tool of war mongers, get a life. Get off the laptop for a while. Do a wider search for Truth. Get your head out if the media box. Good Luck!

    Well if you have already done the research, by all means, post the links. This is not antagonistic. I do want to know more about what is going on but if you have information, your argument is better served by adding the links that support it.

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  51. @annamaria
    We live, unfortunately in the "interesting time" of weapon-manufacturers/City/Wall Street on the march: https://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-officially-prepares-now-for-war-against-russia/5630328
    "On Wednesday, February 21st, the UK’s Minister of Defence, Conservative Gavin Williamson, announced that the United Kingdom is changing its fundamental defence strategy from one that’s targeted against non-state terrorists (Al Qaeda, etc.), to one that’s targeted instead against three countries: Russia, China, and North Korea. ... The headline in the London Times on February 22nd was “Russia ‘is a bigger threat to our security than terrorists."
    Guess Al Qaeda (ISIS, Daesh, et cet) have become a precious tool for the deciders in the US/UK/Israel. And who is this Gavin Williamson, a new UK’s Minister of Defence? -- A puppet. An ignoramus and pedestrian profiteer with no dignity. In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, "Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall... He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Williamson
    Wow! Some CV for a Minister of Defence. And this politicking weasel steps forward to announce the changes in the UK' “fundamental defence strategy?” -- Bravo to the UK’ security apparatus that has been working tirelessly for the interests of the moneyed (Saville affair anyone?) and which has produced the incomparable Mr. Steele (see the amazing Litvinenko affair and the puerile "dossier") and which now approves Gavin Williamson the Idiot.

    Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials…

    Reminds me of a lot of other clueless morons in positions of power. SOme that come immediately to mind are the rectal rims, Netanyahoo ( carpet peddler or equivalent), and Dick(head) Cheney, ( lineman, I think). Then we have the Hillarybeeeest (the psychopathic drunk “loyer” and chronic criminal) and Donnie “Bozo” Trump (inherited wealth yet bankrupt dimwit).

    Not that “credentials” mean anything. Didn’t O-bomb-a and The Shrub have advanced degrees from “prestigious” cliques?

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    None of them had serious military backgrounds like this UK fool. I think that was the main point. However, does having a military background mean you are less likely to get into stupid wars that make no sense? You would think so but history (at least US history) shows otherwise.
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  52. Rurik says:
    @Randal
    You don't like him. I do, despite his problematic attitudes in many areas, and the ways he murderously misbehaves that are typical of US Presidents.

    It's foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader. Trump is imo the most American President that country has had for decades, despite the unfortunate excess jewish influence on him (which at least is somewhat out in the open), and America should be led by an American leader. He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it's hard not to love him just for that. And he does have a basically patriotic approach to immigration and foreigners (compared to all the available options from the US establishment), and he is not dogmatically antiracist, merely unduly submissive towards the anti-racists on occasion. These are absolutely vital qualities in today's world.

    Trump is a mixed bag. Imo obsessing about him being either brilliant or totally awful is a sign of either ignorance or ideological bias.

    I particularly liked one quote from the recent Wolff hit-book on Trump:

    Wolff quotes an unnamed “foreign model” asking him: “What is this ‘white trash’?”

    “They’re people just like me,” says Trump, “only they’re poor.”
     

    He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it’s hard not to love him just for that.

    oh God yes

    (I hate what Trump is doing vis-a-vis the continued use of drones and illegality in Syria, but..)

    damn it is great to see him pissing in these people’s faces

    and the list is long of treasonous scum and war pigs galore who Trump is driving apoplectic

    from Max Boot to Obama to William Kristol and his pet George Will to the fake news media and assorted shitlibs and Hollywood celebrity elites, Donald Trump has them frothing in their bile, and damn, but that is good.

    here’s Trump firing a self-loathing imbecile for referring to himself as ‘white trash’

    just the spectacle of Hillary raving and seething and psychologically unraveling.. is worth the price of admission.

    (compartmentalizing of course the needless deaths being perpetrated by the zios and the MIC. For which I assume Trump is going along with to stay breathing)

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.

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    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump is pure ambrosia to my soul.
     
    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.

    The whole lot of them reek to high heaven and I do thank Trump for making monkeys outta them, but then I also praise Stalin for the fact that he exterminated a bunch of the original Bolshies too. However, he should not have provoked Hitler but rather should have stayed allied with him, and should have refrained from murdering so many Christians.
    , @Andrei Martyanov

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.
     
    Oh, come on! Didn't you know that if your were in the movies or reported weather and news on TV it automatically qualifies one for being a "leader" and know it all? I am still puzzled by the fact that porn-stars in America (in other countries they did) didn't figure this thing out yet. Moreover, unlike their Hollywood high brow counterparts, some old timers like Nina Hartley or Peter North do not pretend to be of high virtues--they are openly signalling that they fvck for the money. This is integrity, man! /sarc.
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  53. @Randal
    You don't like him. I do, despite his problematic attitudes in many areas, and the ways he murderously misbehaves that are typical of US Presidents.

    It's foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader. Trump is imo the most American President that country has had for decades, despite the unfortunate excess jewish influence on him (which at least is somewhat out in the open), and America should be led by an American leader. He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it's hard not to love him just for that. And he does have a basically patriotic approach to immigration and foreigners (compared to all the available options from the US establishment), and he is not dogmatically antiracist, merely unduly submissive towards the anti-racists on occasion. These are absolutely vital qualities in today's world.

    Trump is a mixed bag. Imo obsessing about him being either brilliant or totally awful is a sign of either ignorance or ideological bias.

    I particularly liked one quote from the recent Wolff hit-book on Trump:

    Wolff quotes an unnamed “foreign model” asking him: “What is this ‘white trash’?”

    “They’re people just like me,” says Trump, “only they’re poor.”
     

    It’s foolish to expect anything approaching the ideal in a political leader.

    It’s at least equally foolish to think that he gives a flip about anyone but himself and his Izzy masters.

    It’s also foolish to trust any person in a position like that; in fact, it’s foolish to even put up with a government such as we have.

    So yes, there’s a lot of foolishness to contend with and I haven’t even started to scratch the surface.

    BTW, who’s obsessing over the ditz?

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  54. @James Evan Grouskos
    Are you proud of supporting the anti-American agenda of Zionism?

    He’s not an American, but a member of the (((tribe))). Why would you expect him to behave any differently?

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  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I bet Trump’s giant new military budget is going to help with peace. 100% of the voters, conservative and liberal, support perpetual war for corporate profit. This is why Giraldi voted for Trump althought he was probably influenced and encouraged by the nonsenical ravings of Paul Craig Roberts.

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  56. freebird says:

    Pretty naive to think Iran will in the long run comply with any nuclear inspections or caveats put on their ultimate objective of producing nuclear weapons. Iran will cheat eventually that is if they aren’t already doing it. It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction. I agree with you — no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East no gain for us in that. We cannot fix the Middle-East. The rest of you’re opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

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    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.
     
    I don't see how it would be any more dangerous than allowing the criminal state of Israel - itself no slouch when it comes to supporting terrorism - to have them. Perhaps you've never thought of Israel a state that sponsors terrorism, but that is precisely what it is, because that is precisely what Jewish settlers are doing to the Palestinians - terrorizing them. It's supremely dishonest to pretend otherwise.
    , @Rurik

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.
     
    this is true, which is exactly why we need to demand that Israel submit to nuclear disarmament and inspections.

    Until then- we cut off all aid and implement sanctions, starting with the removal of all dual citizens from positions of influence in our government and media.

    John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, ditto all the other traitorous scum who've infiltrated the levers of power in our republic.

    It wasn't Iran that perpetrated the cowardly act of war on our sailors aboard the USS Liberty

    It wasn't Iran that set up cameras to document their event on 9/11, it was Israel that did that, and the reason they did it is by now well known.. to get the US to destroy seven nations in the Middle East that Israel considers inconvenient to its Jewish supremacist agenda.

    Jonathan Pollard was not a trusted Iranian-American who betrayed a sacred oath to this nation and sold our secrets to our enemies for cash, was he?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/netanyahu-trump-jonathan-pollard-move-israel-article-1.3602067

    It isn't Iran that is murdering Palestinians and stealing their land

    it isn't Iran that is illegally occupying the Golan Heights and flying illegal incursions into their neighbors sovereign air space, is it?

    It wasn't Iran that drove a bulldozed over and crushed under steel and dirt an idealistic young American girl- and then laughed about her horrific death by calling her 'bulldozer girl', was it?

    https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/corrie.jpg

    it isn't Iran that loots our Treasury of billions a year, and then uses that extorted lucre to corrupt and subvert our federal government and institutions into the service of our enemies, is it?

    so yes, you're right.

    — no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East....
     
    for Israel

    no more trillions of dollars looted from our grandchildren's future to pay for mass-murder - for Israel

    no more young American boys and girls coming home in body bags so that Israel can steal more of her neighbor's land

    no more threatening and menacing Iran, so that the one true terrorist state: Israel, can lord it over its victims, as the dumb Americans pay in blood and treasure to bolster our enemy
    , @jacques sheete

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.
     
    The US and Israel already have weapons of mass destruction. Both have also used them multiple times, and for no justifiable reason.

    The rest of you’re opinion piece is naive in the extreme.
     
    It would appear that you're not a very good judge of naivete, but yer a fine example of such.
    , @MarkinLA
    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.

    You say Potaato I say Potahto. You say terrorist, I say freedom fighter. How many terrorists does the US have in foreign countries all over the world? Some are in US army uniforms some are just paid by the Army or the CIA. I would say the US sure makes Iran look like amateurs when it comes to supporting terrorism around the world.

    I remember that neocon clown Kristol talking about how the government should have a monopoly on the use of force and our government officials agreeing with this (when the government, Iraq, was in our pocket). When that is not the case then we are supporting "the rebels for democracy" by supplying them with weapons. Something of a double standard there.

    As for Iran and the bomb, Iran has uranium deposits of their own. They don't have to steal uranium like Israel. Therefore Iran can build a bomb anytime they want and nothing short of all out war can stop them. Should we invade or nuke them?
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  57. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    NEVER AGAIN!

    NO MORE BLOOD OR MONEY FOR ISRAEL!!

    NEVER AGAIN!!!

    If Israel wants to get stupid and attack Iran, let the crazy bastards do so, just keep our kids and wallets out of the next Zionist intrigue.
    Don’t even try flying more jets into skyscrapers, we’re aware that 9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag.

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

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  58. RobinG says:
    @Jim Christian
    Giraldi is LAZY and has no energy for it. He does his work from his perch in bucolic Purcellville, Virginia 50 miles west of DC. Doubt he can afford staff with energy. To be effective, you have to tug Superman's cape from DC, at the Pentagon, on Capitol Hill, at CATO, Heritage, Brookings and then put AEI and the rest on notice, this ain't happening. I'd mention the press, but WashPost is the city water cooler and Bezos, owning Amazon and the Post isn't risking his business with the Federal Government to speak out. Wouldn't hurt to contact Antifa, contract them to grouse against a war. Finally, start the draft up. Nothing focuses the attention and passion of the young like the idea THEY might bleed.

    Nice to pontificate here, no one is influenced.

    You’ve told us where you’re perched, in a comfy chair, kibitzing.

    Does attacking Phil – who’s actually doing something (about which you’re mostly clueless) – make you feel bigger? Must be how you puff yourself up while your Brazilian servant-wife strokes you. (Or has she found greener pastures yet?)

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    Some of the children insist their hero is "actually doing something" or ask "what are you doing?" Surely somebody is doing something in a police state because you'll believe it if you think you saw it. All the children need to spend a few hours on social media getting their propaganda.

    Oh, the children. Oh, pity the children. I don't know how any of we adults ever made it to adulthood without the CIA/Intelligence/Corporate/Government explaining all the evils, warning us about the evils and then protecting us from all the evils. We need more Government and Giraldis and social media doing something. What are you doing?

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  59. @freebird
    Pretty naive to think Iran will in the long run comply with any nuclear inspections or caveats put on their ultimate objective of producing nuclear weapons. Iran will cheat eventually that is if they aren't already doing it. It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world's biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction. I agree with you -- no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East no gain for us in that. We cannot fix the Middle-East. The rest of you're opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.

    I don’t see how it would be any more dangerous than allowing the criminal state of Israel – itself no slouch when it comes to supporting terrorism – to have them. Perhaps you’ve never thought of Israel a state that sponsors terrorism, but that is precisely what it is, because that is precisely what Jewish settlers are doing to the Palestinians – terrorizing them. It’s supremely dishonest to pretend otherwise.

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  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    George W Bush’s Christian crusade against the 100% innocent people of Iraq was cheered by conservatives left and right. Today most people who call themselves “conservative” really mean “nationalist,” not even close to the same thing. Nationalists love Big Government, massive armies, tons of cops, border walls, passports, restrictions on personal liberties and 100% lack of privacy on social media where they can post to their favorite CIA operatives latest propaganda stream.

    By contrast, real conservatives want to shrink the federal government to a fraction of its current self. Only by ending the federal military will that ever happen. But the Nationalists will never allow that. Too much profit in stealing from the taxpayers.

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  61. geokat62 says:
    @silviosilver
    I really have to take issue with Giraldi's passivity here. Why should Israel merely be told to fight its own wars? Why, in other words, shouldn't Israel be held to the same standards as Serbia? If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel to prevent (or rather, halt) an even greater humanitarian tragedy. Come on, Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.

    If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel…

    I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia. What I found out later (reading Stephen Sniegoski’s Transparent Cabal) though was that it was our dearly beloved neocons who pushed for attacking Serbia by setting up the Balkan Action Committee. Prof. Sniegoski clearly articulated their objective:

    The attack on Serbia, ostensibly for humanitarian reasons, provided the intellectual groundwork for the attack on Iraq, since it set the precedent of violating international law’s prohibition against initiating offensive wars.

    Oh, and regarding your Parthian shot:

    Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.

    Phil’s moral horizon is just fine. It’s you who needs to expand your knowledge of historical facts, feller.

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    I didn't 'accuse' Giraldi of supporting the attack on Serbia. Although if I did, I wouldn't consider it an 'accusation,' since I think humanitarian intervention is just and honorable.

    That particular intervention was poorly thought out, and probably was driven by ulterior motives, and its most obvious upshot was to switch around oppressed and oppressor (from Serbs oppressing Albanians, to Albanians oppressing Serbs).

    I think the principle of humanitarian intervention itself can survive blunders like that, though. And that is why I'm not kidding when I claim that if Americans genuinely took humanitarian intervention seriously, then they ought to intervene in Israel - because what is going on there is simply deplorable.

    I don't expect this to be a particularly popular viewpoint on this blog (teeming with isolationists, as it is), but I don't see why that should stop me from expressing it.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    geokat said to (Hi ho!) silviosilver: "I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia."

    Hi geokat,

    What Phil did during that emotion spinning time is what he did. The NOW is what matters and indeed, his "moral horizon is just fine."

    Meanwhile, suspicious, I smelled a Jordan River rat in 1990's Balkan action.

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic, especially when the Yugoslavia was undergoing NATO "humanitarian bombing." F.Y.I., in a June 1999 N.Y.T. editorial, Solzhenitsyn called what became a 78-day bombing fest, "barbaric."

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew "moral horizon" & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    https://youtu.be/FI1IkKr6RCQ

    Thanks, geo, and be well.

    P.S.: As you might know, recently, President Putin told his friend Netanyahu to stop demonizing Iran. Since Tel Aviv P.D. is (allegedly) after his ass, who knows, maybe "Bibi" might cool it now, & take the Russian's sane advice?
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  62. Dante says: • Website
    @geokat62
    Keep 'em coming, Phil.

    It looks like your truth-telling is slowly catching on. I've noticed quite a few other contributors here at UR are willing to wade into the shark-infested waters to keep you company. The more, the merrier.

    P.S. regarding the last sentence in the 2nd paragraph, there may have been a couple of missing words:


    The hostility emanating from Washington is increasing in spite of the fact that the developments in the region have little/no impact on vital U.S. national interests, nor is Iran anything like an existential threat to the United States that would mandate sustained military action.
     

    For the USA going to WAR against Iran will lead to WWIII a great conflagration of state/nations armies, their proxys, mercenaries, free lancers, ethnic/national/religious minorities and some capable of nuclear attacks. This WARS will be long, bloody,costly and ultimately useless. The USA can not sustain a long term war, that will degenerate into insurgency, guerrilla, civil militias etc. This insane wars will be 100xs more violent than Vietnam and will not achieve its main objectives will threaten USA internal/external security and Israels viability as a nation state.

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  63. Rurik says:
    @freebird
    Pretty naive to think Iran will in the long run comply with any nuclear inspections or caveats put on their ultimate objective of producing nuclear weapons. Iran will cheat eventually that is if they aren't already doing it. It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world's biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction. I agree with you -- no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East no gain for us in that. We cannot fix the Middle-East. The rest of you're opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.

    this is true, which is exactly why we need to demand that Israel submit to nuclear disarmament and inspections.

    Until then- we cut off all aid and implement sanctions, starting with the removal of all dual citizens from positions of influence in our government and media.

    John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, ditto all the other traitorous scum who’ve infiltrated the levers of power in our republic.

    It wasn’t Iran that perpetrated the cowardly act of war on our sailors aboard the USS Liberty

    It wasn’t Iran that set up cameras to document their event on 9/11, it was Israel that did that, and the reason they did it is by now well known.. to get the US to destroy seven nations in the Middle East that Israel considers inconvenient to its Jewish supremacist agenda.

    Jonathan Pollard was not a trusted Iranian-American who betrayed a sacred oath to this nation and sold our secrets to our enemies for cash, was he?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/netanyahu-trump-jonathan-pollard-move-israel-article-1.3602067

    It isn’t Iran that is murdering Palestinians and stealing their land

    it isn’t Iran that is illegally occupying the Golan Heights and flying illegal incursions into their neighbors sovereign air space, is it?

    It wasn’t Iran that drove a bulldozed over and crushed under steel and dirt an idealistic young American girl- and then laughed about her horrific death by calling her ‘bulldozer girl’, was it?

    it isn’t Iran that loots our Treasury of billions a year, and then uses that extorted lucre to corrupt and subvert our federal government and institutions into the service of our enemies, is it?

    so yes, you’re right.

    — no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East….

    for Israel

    no more trillions of dollars looted from our grandchildren’s future to pay for mass-murder – for Israel

    no more young American boys and girls coming home in body bags so that Israel can steal more of her neighbor’s land

    no more threatening and menacing Iran, so that the one true terrorist state: Israel, can lord it over its victims, as the dumb Americans pay in blood and treasure to bolster our enemy

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    "John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, "

    True, but Bolton must also be committed to a mental facility for the criminally insane.
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  64. Randal says:

    Today most people who call themselves “conservative” really mean “nationalist,” not even close to the same thing.

    Nationalism is conservative, because one of the main current thrusts of radicalism is internationalism, open borders and mass migrations in order to destroy national and ethnic solidarity defences against leftist/globalist goals.

    The past thrusts were more directed at internal social radicalism and antiracism (ie anti-white racism), and mainstream conservatism utterly failed to resist that. In fact mainstream conservatives surrendered to it wholesale, as we can see in the positions of establishment “conservatives” and establishment “conservative” media outlets and thinktanks etc today.

    Conservatives also utterly failed to oppose big government, which is why today education and health are almost entirely state-regulated, the federal budget is colossal, and “homeland security” is the bloated monstrosity it is in the US.

    Any supposed “real conservative” who is not a nationalist as well is another of the fake “conservatives” enabling the leftist internationalism that is designed to impose still more radical change upon our societies.

    By contrast, real conservatives want to shrink the federal government to a fraction of its current self. Only by ending the federal military will that ever happen.

    Since military spending, even in the US’s absurdly bloated federal budget, barely amounts to 15% of federal spending (2016 figures), your focus on it is exposed as motivated by something other than just shrinking the budget. If that were really the objective then social security would be a much more obvious target.

    Your comment suggests you are not a conservative, but a libertarian. That was an understandable position a decade or so ago, before conservatives and traditionalists were evicted from the mainstream of libertarianism and antiracist, pro-homo and other radical liberal dogmas became core parts of political libertarianism.

    Now, the two are incompatible.

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    Fake conservatives think conservative born again christian Bush started a free war in Iraq that didn't cost anything after he started a free war in Afghanistan. Massive profits lie in extorting tax money and building weapons systems and all the services that conservatives think don't cost anything because they weren't written down somewhere.

    What do the voters get for their taxes other than a fake military to the tunes of trillions to defend frightened children from imaginary enemies? Militaries amount to giant Ponzi scheme frauds. Try thinking. It hurts at the beginning, but eventually your brain can recover even from decades of zombiehood.
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  65. @Rurik

    He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it’s hard not to love him just for that.
     
    oh God yes

    (I hate what Trump is doing vis-a-vis the continued use of drones and illegality in Syria, but..)

    damn it is great to see him pissing in these people's faces

    https://i.redd.it/5nyj4xs7z6jx.jpg

    and the list is long of treasonous scum and war pigs galore who Trump is driving apoplectic

    https://worldpoliticus.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/bush-and-mccain.jpg

    from Max Boot to Obama to William Kristol and his pet George Will to the fake news media and assorted shitlibs and Hollywood celebrity elites, Donald Trump has them frothing in their bile, and damn, but that is good.

    here's Trump firing a self-loathing imbecile for referring to himself as 'white trash'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9OdVxqIaA

    just the spectacle of Hillary raving and seething and psychologically unraveling.. is worth the price of admission.

    (compartmentalizing of course the needless deaths being perpetrated by the zios and the MIC. For which I assume Trump is going along with to stay breathing)

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump

    https://viewfromanopenrectorywindow.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ashley-judd3.jpg?w=584

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump is pure ambrosia to my soul.

    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.

    The whole lot of them reek to high heaven and I do thank Trump for making monkeys outta them, but then I also praise Stalin for the fact that he exterminated a bunch of the original Bolshies too. However, he should not have provoked Hitler but rather should have stayed allied with him, and should have refrained from murdering so many Christians.

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    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.
     
    I don't even like the acronym RINO anymore, because I don't see anything redeemable about the GOP Republicuck party. What does being a Republican mean if not more war, more immigration, more slavish fealty to all things Israel, when they aren't on their knees for the Identity Politics race pimps like BLM or La Raza.

    The Democrats openly hate working class, CIS, unapologetic white men like myself, and work to f us over with their every breath. Fine. But the Republicucks say they want less government and fiscal responsibility and equal rights under the law, and then set about betraying everything and everyone they putatively represent, while lavishing lucre on the .01%

    Jessie Ventura is right, both parties stink to high heaven, and it's only a miracle that a guy who both parties hate with a passion was able to get elected, in spite of all their perfidy and treachery.

    He's hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we're not at war with Russia or Iran, and he's definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/bill-kristol-son-laws-neocon-website-financed-fusion-gps-anti-trump-effort/
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  66. @geokat62

    If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel...
     
    I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia. What I found out later (reading Stephen Sniegoski’s Transparent Cabal) though was that it was our dearly beloved neocons who pushed for attacking Serbia by setting up the Balkan Action Committee. Prof. Sniegoski clearly articulated their objective:

    The attack on Serbia, ostensibly for humanitarian reasons, provided the intellectual groundwork for the attack on Iraq, since it set the precedent of violating international law’s prohibition against initiating offensive wars.
     
    Oh, and regarding your Parthian shot:

    Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.
     
    Phil’s moral horizon is just fine. It’s you who needs to expand your knowledge of historical facts, feller.

    I didn’t ‘accuse’ Giraldi of supporting the attack on Serbia. Although if I did, I wouldn’t consider it an ‘accusation,’ since I think humanitarian intervention is just and honorable.

    That particular intervention was poorly thought out, and probably was driven by ulterior motives, and its most obvious upshot was to switch around oppressed and oppressor (from Serbs oppressing Albanians, to Albanians oppressing Serbs).

    I think the principle of humanitarian intervention itself can survive blunders like that, though. And that is why I’m not kidding when I claim that if Americans genuinely took humanitarian intervention seriously, then they ought to intervene in Israel – because what is going on there is simply deplorable.

    I don’t expect this to be a particularly popular viewpoint on this blog (teeming with isolationists, as it is), but I don’t see why that should stop me from expressing it.

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    since I think humanitarian intervention is just and honorable
     
    So a warmonger like Clinton, then, who believes that slaughtering people over political disagreements is fine as long as you claim to believe it's for a "good cause". Because of course Americans and their poodles always know what's best for people in countries on the other side of the world.

    De facto supporting the leftist wing of the bipartisan pro-war US elite consensus.
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  67. @freebird
    Pretty naive to think Iran will in the long run comply with any nuclear inspections or caveats put on their ultimate objective of producing nuclear weapons. Iran will cheat eventually that is if they aren't already doing it. It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world's biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction. I agree with you -- no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East no gain for us in that. We cannot fix the Middle-East. The rest of you're opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.

    The US and Israel already have weapons of mass destruction. Both have also used them multiple times, and for no justifiable reason.

    The rest of you’re opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

    It would appear that you’re not a very good judge of naivete, but yer a fine example of such.

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  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG
    You've told us where you're perched, in a comfy chair, kibitzing.

    Does attacking Phil - who's actually doing something (about which you're mostly clueless) - make you feel bigger? Must be how you puff yourself up while your Brazilian servant-wife strokes you. (Or has she found greener pastures yet?)

    Some of the children insist their hero is “actually doing something” or ask “what are you doing?” Surely somebody is doing something in a police state because you’ll believe it if you think you saw it. All the children need to spend a few hours on social media getting their propaganda.

    Oh, the children. Oh, pity the children. I don’t know how any of we adults ever made it to adulthood without the CIA/Intelligence/Corporate/Government explaining all the evils, warning us about the evils and then protecting us from all the evils. We need more Government and Giraldis and social media doing something. What are you doing?

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  69. Randal says:
    @silviosilver
    I didn't 'accuse' Giraldi of supporting the attack on Serbia. Although if I did, I wouldn't consider it an 'accusation,' since I think humanitarian intervention is just and honorable.

    That particular intervention was poorly thought out, and probably was driven by ulterior motives, and its most obvious upshot was to switch around oppressed and oppressor (from Serbs oppressing Albanians, to Albanians oppressing Serbs).

    I think the principle of humanitarian intervention itself can survive blunders like that, though. And that is why I'm not kidding when I claim that if Americans genuinely took humanitarian intervention seriously, then they ought to intervene in Israel - because what is going on there is simply deplorable.

    I don't expect this to be a particularly popular viewpoint on this blog (teeming with isolationists, as it is), but I don't see why that should stop me from expressing it.

    since I think humanitarian intervention is just and honorable

    So a warmonger like Clinton, then, who believes that slaughtering people over political disagreements is fine as long as you claim to believe it’s for a “good cause”. Because of course Americans and their poodles always know what’s best for people in countries on the other side of the world.

    De facto supporting the leftist wing of the bipartisan pro-war US elite consensus.

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  70. Z-man says:
    @silviosilver
    I really have to take issue with Giraldi's passivity here. Why should Israel merely be told to fight its own wars? Why, in other words, shouldn't Israel be held to the same standards as Serbia? If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel to prevent (or rather, halt) an even greater humanitarian tragedy. Come on, Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.

    Speaking of passivity Pat Buchanan, my liege, has been very passive lately in his anti Zionist rhetoric. I don’t know if its old age or him trying to protect his legacy but all I can say is; Pat, the Jews already have you down as an anti Semite, Bill Maher has an entire list of jokes to use on you, so how much could your legacy be tarnished any more. Speak the truth as Jesus would want you to and your reputation and admirers will undoubtedly grow.

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  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Randal

    Today most people who call themselves “conservative” really mean “nationalist,” not even close to the same thing.
     
    Nationalism is conservative, because one of the main current thrusts of radicalism is internationalism, open borders and mass migrations in order to destroy national and ethnic solidarity defences against leftist/globalist goals.

    The past thrusts were more directed at internal social radicalism and antiracism (ie anti-white racism), and mainstream conservatism utterly failed to resist that. In fact mainstream conservatives surrendered to it wholesale, as we can see in the positions of establishment "conservatives" and establishment "conservative" media outlets and thinktanks etc today.

    Conservatives also utterly failed to oppose big government, which is why today education and health are almost entirely state-regulated, the federal budget is colossal, and "homeland security" is the bloated monstrosity it is in the US.

    Any supposed "real conservative" who is not a nationalist as well is another of the fake "conservatives" enabling the leftist internationalism that is designed to impose still more radical change upon our societies.


    By contrast, real conservatives want to shrink the federal government to a fraction of its current self. Only by ending the federal military will that ever happen.
     
    Since military spending, even in the US's absurdly bloated federal budget, barely amounts to 15% of federal spending (2016 figures), your focus on it is exposed as motivated by something other than just shrinking the budget. If that were really the objective then social security would be a much more obvious target.

    Your comment suggests you are not a conservative, but a libertarian. That was an understandable position a decade or so ago, before conservatives and traditionalists were evicted from the mainstream of libertarianism and antiracist, pro-homo and other radical liberal dogmas became core parts of political libertarianism.

    Now, the two are incompatible.

    Fake conservatives think conservative born again christian Bush started a free war in Iraq that didn’t cost anything after he started a free war in Afghanistan. Massive profits lie in extorting tax money and building weapons systems and all the services that conservatives think don’t cost anything because they weren’t written down somewhere.

    What do the voters get for their taxes other than a fake military to the tunes of trillions to defend frightened children from imaginary enemies? Militaries amount to giant Ponzi scheme frauds. Try thinking. It hurts at the beginning, but eventually your brain can recover even from decades of zombiehood.

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  72. How would the U.S. public respond if an aircraft carrier were to be sunk by a barrage of Iranian shore-to-ship missiles?

    The scariest part of such a contingency is not even a public–it is US military. The loss, however unlikely now, of a single US Navy’s CVN will create political and military pressure of such a magnitude that it will make the use of nukes conceivable; in fact–highly probable. Should such a nightmarish scenario become a reality we may wake up in a completely different world which will come through an abrupt and drastic re-balancing.

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    Aircraft carriers are inconsequential. They will rust first. They can still serve as props in a movie however. Iran is very smart, they built a fake of a US aircraft carrier while the US spends much more to build aircraft carriers that are becoming fake to the rest of the world.
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  73. MarkinLA says:
    @jacques sheete

    Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials...
     
    Reminds me of a lot of other clueless morons in positions of power. SOme that come immediately to mind are the rectal rims, Netanyahoo ( carpet peddler or equivalent), and Dick(head) Cheney, ( lineman, I think). Then we have the Hillarybeeeest (the psychopathic drunk "loyer" and chronic criminal) and Donnie "Bozo" Trump (inherited wealth yet bankrupt dimwit).

    Not that "credentials" mean anything. Didn't O-bomb-a and The Shrub have advanced degrees from "prestigious" cliques?

    None of them had serious military backgrounds like this UK fool. I think that was the main point. However, does having a military background mean you are less likely to get into stupid wars that make no sense? You would think so but history (at least US history) shows otherwise.

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  74. @Zumbuddi
    Spot on.

    USA has far more in common, values-wise, with Iran than with the Zionist enclave.

    Wrong. If we are just talking values, that would be incorrect.

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    You again.

    Shouldn't you be focusing on giving up idiotic comments for Lent, or practocing best form for fellating circumcised donkeys?

    Re Iranian values vs Israel values, see #63.

    Re Persian ethics vs Jewish ethics, you're the bible pounder, check out Chronicles.

    Re behavior over past 150 years-- Iran developed nuclear facilities with encouragement of USA, Israel stole nuclear secrets, uraniun, & technology from U S A. Iran signed NPT; Israel refuses to do so and cheated when JFK demanded inspections.

    Now back to IGNORE.

    , @SolontoCroesus
    One more thing --

    Iran is a multi-ethnic multi-racial society, like USA, not an ethnically/racially exclusivist society, like Israel.

    Jared Taylor and Richard Spencer compare their agenda to preserve European identity in USA to Israel's determination to maintain Israel as exclusively Jewish.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol6GA4dMZw4

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  75. MarkinLA says:
    @freebird
    Pretty naive to think Iran will in the long run comply with any nuclear inspections or caveats put on their ultimate objective of producing nuclear weapons. Iran will cheat eventually that is if they aren't already doing it. It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world's biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction. I agree with you -- no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East no gain for us in that. We cannot fix the Middle-East. The rest of you're opinion piece is naive in the extreme.

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.

    You say Potaato I say Potahto. You say terrorist, I say freedom fighter. How many terrorists does the US have in foreign countries all over the world? Some are in US army uniforms some are just paid by the Army or the CIA. I would say the US sure makes Iran look like amateurs when it comes to supporting terrorism around the world.

    I remember that neocon clown Kristol talking about how the government should have a monopoly on the use of force and our government officials agreeing with this (when the government, Iraq, was in our pocket). When that is not the case then we are supporting “the rebels for democracy” by supplying them with weapons. Something of a double standard there.

    As for Iran and the bomb, Iran has uranium deposits of their own. They don’t have to steal uranium like Israel. Therefore Iran can build a bomb anytime they want and nothing short of all out war can stop them. Should we invade or nuke them?

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  76. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)
    whyamihere says:
    February 27, 2018 at 6:24 am GMT • 100 Words
    Like I’ve said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    Blah Blah Blah - utterly pathetic you can't even destroy GAZA because if you could GAZA would be politically and militarily destroyed - you don't have the balls to do it see if you could you would have done to GAZA what the Americans did to Fallujah or the Russians did to Grozny, and forget Hizbollah you remember what happened to your Merkavas - you have cut tail and ran TWICE from the Hizbollah.

    "The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton."

    Why after 70 years of independence and considering your self a great military can't you fight your own wars. Do you hear any other proud and independent nation screaming 'that we are going to war and the Americans should help us' - pathetic cowards.

    TIME Magazine March 10, 1973

    Without US help , Israel would not have been born Without US financial and military support ,Israel wouldn’t have survived and prospered .

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  77. @annamaria
    We live, unfortunately in the "interesting time" of weapon-manufacturers/City/Wall Street on the march: https://www.globalresearch.ca/britain-officially-prepares-now-for-war-against-russia/5630328
    "On Wednesday, February 21st, the UK’s Minister of Defence, Conservative Gavin Williamson, announced that the United Kingdom is changing its fundamental defence strategy from one that’s targeted against non-state terrorists (Al Qaeda, etc.), to one that’s targeted instead against three countries: Russia, China, and North Korea. ... The headline in the London Times on February 22nd was “Russia ‘is a bigger threat to our security than terrorists."
    Guess Al Qaeda (ISIS, Daesh, et cet) have become a precious tool for the deciders in the US/UK/Israel. And who is this Gavin Williamson, a new UK’s Minister of Defence? -- A puppet. An ignoramus and pedestrian profiteer with no dignity. In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, "Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall... He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Williamson
    Wow! Some CV for a Minister of Defence. And this politicking weasel steps forward to announce the changes in the UK' “fundamental defence strategy?” -- Bravo to the UK’ security apparatus that has been working tirelessly for the interests of the moneyed (Saville affair anyone?) and which has produced the incomparable Mr. Steele (see the amazing Litvinenko affair and the puerile "dossier") and which now approves Gavin Williamson the Idiot.

    In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, “Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall… He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware…

    This is the age of incompetents who today define contemporary Western leadership. I am almost forced to refer to Al Pacino’s magnificent monologue in Devil’s Advocate–”We are coming out, guns blazing.” In the same time, US Ambassador to UN, Nikki Haley has a proud entry in her resume as a financial officer of a waste management company. We have lawyers and political “scientists” attending couple seminars on nuclear weapons and some short “courses” on “war” and voila’–they are “ready” to take responsibilities, are they? This whole thing is going down the hill pretty fast now. My hope, though, is still with the adults.

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    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.
    Summary of consequences of a nuclear war: http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/
    "-2600 U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear weapons on high-alert are launched (in 2 to 3 minutes) at targets in the U.S., Europe and Russia (and perhaps at other targets which are considered to have strategic value).
    -Some fraction of the remaining 7600 deployed and operational U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear warheads/weapons are also launched and detonated in retaliation for the initial attacks.
    -Hundreds of large cities in the U.S., Europe and Russia are engulfed in massive firestorms which burn urban areas of tens or hundreds of thousands of square miles/kilometers.
    -150 million tons of smoke from nuclear fires rises above cloud level, into the stratosphere, where it quickly spreads around the world and forms a dense stratospheric cloud layer. The smoke will remain there for many years to block and absorb sunlight.
    -The smoke blocks up to 70% of the sunlight from reaching the Earth's surface in the Northern Hemisphere, and up to 35% of the sunlight is also blocked in the Southern Hemisphere.
    -In the absence of warming sunlight, surface temperatures on Earth become as cold or colder than they were 18,000 years ago at the height of the last Ice Age
    -There would be rapid cooling of more than 20°C over large areas of North America and of more than 30°C over much of Eurasia, including all agricultural regions
    -150 million tons of smoke in the stratosphere would cause minimum daily temperatures in the largest agricultural regions of the Northern Hemisphere to drop below freezing for 1 to 3 years. Nightly killing frosts would occur and prevent food from being grown.
    -Average global precipitation would be reduced by 45% due to the prolonged cold.
    -Growing seasons would be virtually eliminated for many years.
    -Massive destruction of the protective ozone layer would also occur, allowing intense levels of dangerous UV light to penetrate the atmosphere and reach the surface of the Earth.
    -Massive amounts of radioactive fallout would be generated and spread both locally and globally. The targeting of nuclear reactors would significantly increase fallout of long-lived isotopes.
    -Gigantic ground-hugging clouds of toxic smoke would be released from the fires; enormous quantities of industrial chemicals would also enter the environment.
    -It would be impossible for many living things to survive the extreme rapidity and degree of changes in temperature and precipitation, combined with drastic increases in UV light, massive radioactive fallout, and massive releases of toxins and industrial chemicals.
    -Already stressed land and marine ecosystems would collapse.
    -Unable to grow food, most humans would starve to death.
    -A mass extinction event would occur, similar to what happened 65 million years ago, when the dinosaurs were wiped out following a large asteroid impact with Earth (70% of species became extinct, including all animals greater than 25 kilograms in weight).
    -Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment."

    This is our only hope for the deterrent (works when the psychopathic deciders have some degree of attachment to their progeny only): "Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment."

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  78. tac says:

    Nikky Haley is there leading the charge for Israel (Nikky Haley as governor of South Carolina signed into law (first state to do so in the US) anti-BDS legislation.

    In a U.S. Isreal Policy Conference meeting–hosted by AIPAC–and the interviewee Dan Senor, whose past includes as stint at AIPAC and who was introduced to neocons by non other than Bill Kristol. Dan Senor was victim of a Freudian slip when he pronounced the following:

    @5:10 “What can the United States do, What can the ambassador on the United States do to hold countries accountable to, as you said, … to address the fact that many of them don’t have [Israel's]..cough cough, America’s back at the UN…”

    @8:05 “…the days of Israel bashing are over (standing ovation)

    @10:13 ZUS arm-twisting power play to remove from the record and to silence and remove from power anyone who stands up to the Israeli line

    @11:35 anti-BDS bill signed into law by then South Carolina governor Nikky Haley (now you see why she got a promotion as a US ambassador to UN)

    Israel has her lap dog Nikky Haley in the UN to push Isreal-first agenda including anti-BDS.

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  79. anon • Disclaimer says:

    TIME Magazine March 10, 1973

    “we have to convince other that the interest of Israel remain basic to the interest of American people”
    .Bookbinder ( AJC’c leader in capital office ) agreed when one suggested in the meeting held by Jewish Community Center meeting in DC

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  80. WHAT says:
    @Momus
    Israel periodically destroys Russian supplied Syrian air defense systems. Doing so again in 2018 presents no particular problem; neither would destroying Russian fighters.
    The Turks did that with impunity. Russia has no real strength to project against the might of the IAF, backed by the US.

    Iran sent hostile aircraft into Israeli airspace and paid a price. Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority.

    Oh the damage control, I`m deafened by the echoes.

    All that “might of IAF” was able to do in Syrian airspace is to drop a gliding bomb or a rocket at yet another hut and then immediately run, and now they will think thrice before even doing that. Oh so mighty IAF won`t approach anything above S-200, and it was made 50 years ago. For a good reason, too, these systems are very capable against F-16s, lol.

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  81. @Rurik

    He annoys many of the people who most need annoying so intensely that it’s hard not to love him just for that.
     
    oh God yes

    (I hate what Trump is doing vis-a-vis the continued use of drones and illegality in Syria, but..)

    damn it is great to see him pissing in these people's faces

    https://i.redd.it/5nyj4xs7z6jx.jpg

    and the list is long of treasonous scum and war pigs galore who Trump is driving apoplectic

    https://worldpoliticus.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/bush-and-mccain.jpg

    from Max Boot to Obama to William Kristol and his pet George Will to the fake news media and assorted shitlibs and Hollywood celebrity elites, Donald Trump has them frothing in their bile, and damn, but that is good.

    here's Trump firing a self-loathing imbecile for referring to himself as 'white trash'

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb9OdVxqIaA

    just the spectacle of Hillary raving and seething and psychologically unraveling.. is worth the price of admission.

    (compartmentalizing of course the needless deaths being perpetrated by the zios and the MIC. For which I assume Trump is going along with to stay breathing)

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump

    https://viewfromanopenrectorywindow.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ashley-judd3.jpg?w=584

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.

    Oh, come on! Didn’t you know that if your were in the movies or reported weather and news on TV it automatically qualifies one for being a “leader” and know it all? I am still puzzled by the fact that porn-stars in America (in other countries they did) didn’t figure this thing out yet. Moreover, unlike their Hollywood high brow counterparts, some old timers like Nina Hartley or Peter North do not pretend to be of high virtues–they are openly signalling that they fvck for the money. This is integrity, man! /sarc.

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    Didn’t you know that if your were in the movies or reported weather and news on TV it automatically qualifies one for being a “leader” and know it all?
     
    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/07/miley-cyrus-calls-out-donald-trump-demands-gun-control-and-labels-texas-shooter-terrorist-on-social-media.html

    https://kek.gg/i/52j-tN.jpeg
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  82. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    Netanyahu is also facing a trial on corruption charges and it would not be wildly off target to suggest that he might welcome a small war to change the narrative, just as Bill Clinton did when he launched cruise missiles...
     
    Thank God for PG. That concept was been apparent for some time, but this is the first time I've ever seen it in print. Thank you, sir, for making the point.

    I hope the Israelis are finally getting fed up that that smirking, arrogant, terrorist and warmonger and send him to a well deserved "retirement" in whatever their worst prison is.

    The fool has been crying "wolf" regarding Iran for decades, and why should anyone in the US give a flip about any existential threats to Israel anyway? Loyal Americans should welcome and support such things in fact. And no one needs to try and convince me that the gangster state has ever done anything good for the US, or that they're an "ally" or whatever.

    Btw, anyone who claims that Israel is an ally, would need to provide some credible evidence to support the claim. Hint: Don't make me laugh.

    “The U.S. launched a nuclear cooperation program with Iran in 1957 -- ...But the U.S. pulled its support when the Shah was overthrown during the Islamic Revolution in 1979.”

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/world/meast/iran-nuclear-talks-11-things/
     
    Never forget. Chicken Little has been cackling for decades.

    Imminent Iran nuclear threat? A timeline of warnings since 1979.

    Breathless warnings that the Islamic Republic will soon be at the brink of nuclear capability have been made for decades. Here is a chronicle of predictions.

    - Scott Peterson, CS Monitor, (2011)

    https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84
     
    PS: I'd like the chance to tell Netanyahoo where to stick that piece of "evidence," but short of that, it would be nice if some general that has access to the scum, would have the huevos to smack the joker upside the head a few times. Maybe knock a trifle of sense into it.

    I agree but there are some worse characters jockeying to take his place.
    Which in some ways might be good….they might bring the Israel problem to a head with their war mongering.

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  83. I agree but there are some worse characters jockeying to take his place.
    Which in some ways might be good….they might bring the Israel problem to a head with their war mongering.

    I agree on both counts.

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  84. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    Every time I see or hear a shitlib emoting their existential angst (butt-hurt) over Trump is pure ambrosia to my soul.
     
    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.

    The whole lot of them reek to high heaven and I do thank Trump for making monkeys outta them, but then I also praise Stalin for the fact that he exterminated a bunch of the original Bolshies too. However, he should not have provoked Hitler but rather should have stayed allied with him, and should have refrained from murdering so many Christians.

    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.

    I don’t even like the acronym RINO anymore, because I don’t see anything redeemable about the GOP Republicuck party. What does being a Republican mean if not more war, more immigration, more slavish fealty to all things Israel, when they aren’t on their knees for the Identity Politics race pimps like BLM or La Raza.

    The Democrats openly hate working class, CIS, unapologetic white men like myself, and work to f us over with their every breath. Fine. But the Republicucks say they want less government and fiscal responsibility and equal rights under the law, and then set about betraying everything and everyone they putatively represent, while lavishing lucre on the .01%

    Jessie Ventura is right, both parties stink to high heaven, and it’s only a miracle that a guy who both parties hate with a passion was able to get elected, in spite of all their perfidy and treachery.

    He’s hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we’re not at war with Russia or Iran, and he’s definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/bill-kristol-son-laws-neocon-website-financed-fusion-gps-anti-trump-effort/

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    [Jesse Ventura's] hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we’re not at war with Russia or Iran, and he’s definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.
     
    The Ventura phenomenon is interesting to me and I think the guy is great. Ron Paul still has me believing he's a good guy, but I don't see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we've had since at least 1913.

    I think Ventura made the correct decision to abandon a really stupid system and process and even move out of the country.

    Bottom line, it makes little difference who's in power, nothing will ever improve for the hoi polloi. The only remedy would be to dump the system and the boobs who profit, but there is no chance of that, and if it did happen, the parasites would regain control in an eyeblink.

    George Carlin said it well, except that he was a cuck on the "Semite" subject.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-QIY7ys-k
     
    PS: Note to Carlin bashers.: Can it.
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  85. I am looking forward to the case that puts this law to the test. Based on the article’s read it only applies to conditions relating to foundation, not behaviors. I know of no one who boycotts Israel just because they are Jewish, but because their abusive, inhumane and even illegal behavior regarding Palestinians and christians.

    On its face it intimidating, but on the substance for protest, boycott, criticism and debate, it has very little weight.

    I would suspect that with regards to entities outside if the US it is entirely without force.

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  86. Rurik says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    is pure ambrosia to my soul.
     
    Oh, come on! Didn't you know that if your were in the movies or reported weather and news on TV it automatically qualifies one for being a "leader" and know it all? I am still puzzled by the fact that porn-stars in America (in other countries they did) didn't figure this thing out yet. Moreover, unlike their Hollywood high brow counterparts, some old timers like Nina Hartley or Peter North do not pretend to be of high virtues--they are openly signalling that they fvck for the money. This is integrity, man! /sarc.

    Didn’t you know that if your were in the movies or reported weather and news on TV it automatically qualifies one for being a “leader” and know it all?

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/07/miley-cyrus-calls-out-donald-trump-demands-gun-control-and-labels-texas-shooter-terrorist-on-social-media.html

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  87. @geokat62

    If it was fine to militarily intervene in Serbia to prevent a greater humanitarian tragedy, then by the same reasoning it would appear imperative to intervene in Israel...
     
    I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia. What I found out later (reading Stephen Sniegoski’s Transparent Cabal) though was that it was our dearly beloved neocons who pushed for attacking Serbia by setting up the Balkan Action Committee. Prof. Sniegoski clearly articulated their objective:

    The attack on Serbia, ostensibly for humanitarian reasons, provided the intellectual groundwork for the attack on Iraq, since it set the precedent of violating international law’s prohibition against initiating offensive wars.
     
    Oh, and regarding your Parthian shot:

    Phil, expand your moral horizon a bit, feller.
     
    Phil’s moral horizon is just fine. It’s you who needs to expand your knowledge of historical facts, feller.

    geokat said to (Hi ho!) silviosilver: “I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia.”

    Hi geokat,

    What Phil did during that emotion spinning time is what he did. The NOW is what matters and indeed, his “moral horizon is just fine.”

    Meanwhile, suspicious, I smelled a Jordan River rat in 1990′s Balkan action.

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic, especially when the Yugoslavia was undergoing NATO “humanitarian bombing.” F.Y.I., in a June 1999 N.Y.T. editorial, Solzhenitsyn called what became a 78-day bombing fest, “barbaric.”

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew “moral horizon” & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    Thanks, geo, and be well.

    P.S.: As you might know, recently, President Putin told his friend Netanyahu to stop demonizing Iran. Since Tel Aviv P.D. is (allegedly) after his ass, who knows, maybe “Bibi” might cool it now, & take the Russian’s sane advice?

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    Norman on blackmail, violence, and why every woman should slap an Israeli soldier.
    Published on Feb 21, 2018
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    , @SolontoCroesus
    Good find, ChuckOrloski, thanks.

    "Two of Herzl's progenitors are buried in Yugoslavia."

    Could be true.

    Herzl did not do so well with his own children: his daughter, an addict, died of drug overdose. His son committed suicide on the day of her funeral. The third child was "starved to death at Theresienstadt" (tho there are no records nor death certificate).

    Phyllis Bennis delivered the most succinct assessment of Herzl: "he was a nutcase."
    , @geokat62

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic...
     
    I, unfortunately, came up empty handed as well, Chuck.

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew “moral horizon” & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.
     
    Not sure if Vucic was aware of the activities of the Balkan Action Committee, but what I can say with confidence is that former President Slobodan Milosevic would turn in his grave if he witnessed the current Serbian president thanking the leader of the people who had facilitated the destruction of his country.
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  88. Zumbuddi says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Wrong. If we are just talking values, that would be incorrect.

    You again.

    Shouldn’t you be focusing on giving up idiotic comments for Lent, or practocing best form for fellating circumcised donkeys?

    Re Iranian values vs Israel values, see #63.

    Re Persian ethics vs Jewish ethics, you’re the bible pounder, check out Chronicles.

    Re behavior over past 150 years– Iran developed nuclear facilities with encouragement of USA, Israel stole nuclear secrets, uraniun, & technology from U S A. Iran signed NPT; Israel refuses to do so and cheated when JFK demanded inspections.

    Now back to IGNORE.

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    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    For people who have spent a lot of time decrying scripture,

    you are incapable of grasping reality of practice from proscribed writ. Sure the Qu'ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha -- so similar they must parallel.

    There's a reason the US tends toward Israel and not Iran -- the values as practice are not aligned. Nor are most US citizens or Israelis deeply invested in scripture. I think it's funny that for all of the incessant caterwauling about scripture, you see miss how it plays out in reality.

    The strict adherence of Muslims to Qu'ran , especially strictly enforced is entirely antithetical to US values and polemics. Despite the differences among Muslims their practices are aligned and enforced nationally.


    Neither Israel or the US enforce christianity as part of governance as occurs in every Muslim state. That value alone -- theocracy -- is antithetical to Israel and the US.

    As for what has occurred here. A self reinforcing bubble of back slapping that reinforces faulty logic, incorrect application, even when you get it right -- hardly serves as some high standard of intelligence.


    Two major fails: (nothing new there):

    1. Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture -- Muslims do

    2. Neither the US nor Jews/Israelis use government to enforce religious/existentialist belief


    On those two alone -- those are core value clashes.

    The value of free thought, free expression, freedom to accept or reject religion/God --

    I will put it this way -- I bet you'd find more liquor, porn, and movie theaters and stores in one city in both Israel and the US violating Scripture than in all of the Iran.


    Shared values -- nonsense.

    , @EliteCommInc.
    The Iranian Constitution -- pay attention to the numerous references to God throughout and refernces to the Qu'ran

    http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-info/Government/constitution-1.html

    Israeli Constitution - Does not exist officially, but here's one the referenced frame - note the references to any a scripture -- not one.

    http://jcpa.org/dje/articles/const-intro-93.html


    Th Constitution of the US -- not a single reliance on any book faith.

    https://www.usconstitution.net/const.html


    On the mistakes you and your band cohorts have embraced is mistaking a christian biblical influence for some literal application. And that mistake is repeated time and time again in responses to christians and how that dynamic has influenced policy or the state. It leads to utterly bankrupt advocacy as claiming the US citizen has more in common with the values of Iran that operates as a theocracy, than Israel which even lacking a constitution chagrins the use of any scripture as to policy and governance.

    Value difference


    Secular verses theocratic in thought and practice.

    You people are great at straining gnats and missing the over arching issues. There are no mass demonstrations chanting death to the US in Israel. Shared values -- utter nonsense.

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  89. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    How would the U.S. public respond if an aircraft carrier were to be sunk by a barrage of Iranian shore-to-ship missiles?
     
    The scariest part of such a contingency is not even a public--it is US military. The loss, however unlikely now, of a single US Navy's CVN will create political and military pressure of such a magnitude that it will make the use of nukes conceivable; in fact--highly probable. Should such a nightmarish scenario become a reality we may wake up in a completely different world which will come through an abrupt and drastic re-balancing.

    Aircraft carriers are inconsequential. They will rust first. They can still serve as props in a movie however. Iran is very smart, they built a fake of a US aircraft carrier while the US spends much more to build aircraft carriers that are becoming fake to the rest of the world.

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    Aircraft carriers are inconsequential. They will rust first.
     
    They're still useful, no doubt, for threatening and arm twisting small, poorly armed countries and we all know that the US has never fought a fair fight. It only picks on the weak.

    In case anyone disagrees on the basis of "de big ones," consider that the US appeased and supported two of the biggest political monstrosities of modern history, the Brit and Soviet empires, against very underwhelming odds.
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  90. Wally says:
    @Momus
    Israel periodically destroys Russian supplied Syrian air defense systems. Doing so again in 2018 presents no particular problem; neither would destroying Russian fighters.
    The Turks did that with impunity. Russia has no real strength to project against the might of the IAF, backed by the US.

    Iran sent hostile aircraft into Israeli airspace and paid a price. Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority.

    ” Pilot error and fatigue resulted in the loss of an IAF plane not Russian/Syrian air superiority”

    Yeah, sure.

    That excuse simply points out Israeli AF incompetence. Israel’s defeat at the hands of Hezbollah certainly supports that view for Israeli forces in general.

    BTW, I believe Russia has largely withdrawn, so indeed, Russia would not have “air superiority”

    http://www.codoh.com

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  91. RobinG says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    geokat said to (Hi ho!) silviosilver: "I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia."

    Hi geokat,

    What Phil did during that emotion spinning time is what he did. The NOW is what matters and indeed, his "moral horizon is just fine."

    Meanwhile, suspicious, I smelled a Jordan River rat in 1990's Balkan action.

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic, especially when the Yugoslavia was undergoing NATO "humanitarian bombing." F.Y.I., in a June 1999 N.Y.T. editorial, Solzhenitsyn called what became a 78-day bombing fest, "barbaric."

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew "moral horizon" & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    https://youtu.be/FI1IkKr6RCQ

    Thanks, geo, and be well.

    P.S.: As you might know, recently, President Putin told his friend Netanyahu to stop demonizing Iran. Since Tel Aviv P.D. is (allegedly) after his ass, who knows, maybe "Bibi" might cool it now, & take the Russian's sane advice?

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  92. @ChuckOrloski
    geokat said to (Hi ho!) silviosilver: "I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia."

    Hi geokat,

    What Phil did during that emotion spinning time is what he did. The NOW is what matters and indeed, his "moral horizon is just fine."

    Meanwhile, suspicious, I smelled a Jordan River rat in 1990's Balkan action.

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic, especially when the Yugoslavia was undergoing NATO "humanitarian bombing." F.Y.I., in a June 1999 N.Y.T. editorial, Solzhenitsyn called what became a 78-day bombing fest, "barbaric."

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew "moral horizon" & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    https://youtu.be/FI1IkKr6RCQ

    Thanks, geo, and be well.

    P.S.: As you might know, recently, President Putin told his friend Netanyahu to stop demonizing Iran. Since Tel Aviv P.D. is (allegedly) after his ass, who knows, maybe "Bibi" might cool it now, & take the Russian's sane advice?

    Good find, ChuckOrloski, thanks.

    “Two of Herzl’s progenitors are buried in Yugoslavia.”

    Could be true.

    Herzl did not do so well with his own children: his daughter, an addict, died of drug overdose. His son committed suicide on the day of her funeral. The third child was “starved to death at Theresienstadt” (tho there are no records nor death certificate).

    Phyllis Bennis delivered the most succinct assessment of Herzl: “he was a nutcase.”

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  93. Wally says:
    @Grahamsno(G64)
    whyamihere says:
    February 27, 2018 at 6:24 am GMT • 100 Words
    Like I’ve said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    Blah Blah Blah - utterly pathetic you can't even destroy GAZA because if you could GAZA would be politically and militarily destroyed - you don't have the balls to do it see if you could you would have done to GAZA what the Americans did to Fallujah or the Russians did to Grozny, and forget Hizbollah you remember what happened to your Merkavas - you have cut tail and ran TWICE from the Hizbollah.

    "The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton."

    Why after 70 years of independence and considering your self a great military can't you fight your own wars. Do you hear any other proud and independent nation screaming 'that we are going to war and the Americans should help us' - pathetic cowards.

    “Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.”

    Just like they did to Hezbollah before.
    Don’t make everyone laugh.
    Israelis are mama’s boys. They kill children & women rather well, but in a real fight they are pussies.

    Parasite Israel wouldn’t last month without US taxpayers money.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel’s Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    America’s Jews Are Driving America’s Wars

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/americas-jews-are-driving-americas-wars/#comment-2012898


    http://www.codoh.com

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  94. @Rurik

    While I heartily agree with that, I also feel the same about the neo-Korns, quasi-Kunservatives and RINOs.
     
    I don't even like the acronym RINO anymore, because I don't see anything redeemable about the GOP Republicuck party. What does being a Republican mean if not more war, more immigration, more slavish fealty to all things Israel, when they aren't on their knees for the Identity Politics race pimps like BLM or La Raza.

    The Democrats openly hate working class, CIS, unapologetic white men like myself, and work to f us over with their every breath. Fine. But the Republicucks say they want less government and fiscal responsibility and equal rights under the law, and then set about betraying everything and everyone they putatively represent, while lavishing lucre on the .01%

    Jessie Ventura is right, both parties stink to high heaven, and it's only a miracle that a guy who both parties hate with a passion was able to get elected, in spite of all their perfidy and treachery.

    He's hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we're not at war with Russia or Iran, and he's definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/bill-kristol-son-laws-neocon-website-financed-fusion-gps-anti-trump-effort/

    [Jesse Ventura's] hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we’re not at war with Russia or Iran, and he’s definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.

    The Ventura phenomenon is interesting to me and I think the guy is great. Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.

    I think Ventura made the correct decision to abandon a really stupid system and process and even move out of the country.

    Bottom line, it makes little difference who’s in power, nothing will ever improve for the hoi polloi. The only remedy would be to dump the system and the boobs who profit, but there is no chance of that, and if it did happen, the parasites would regain control in an eyeblink.

    George Carlin said it well, except that he was a cuck on the “Semite” subject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-QIY7ys-k

    PS: Note to Carlin bashers.: Can it.

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    Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.
     
    by voting his conscience and speaking the truth, I guess

    I've been very disappointed at his son time and again, but I still cling to hope that Rand will one day be a fraction of the man his father is. One thing great about Rand is that John McCain hates his guts, because Rand is always trying to avoid more wars.

    and even move out of the country.
     
    my destiny will eventually lead me off these shores as well.

    As Bobby Fisher said, 'the United States is evil', 'utterly hypocritical and corrupt'.

    and he's right. Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    I love many of the people here, and I love the memories of my childhood home, but what America has become, and is morphing into- is a nightmare. Straight out of the Satanic fetishes of a blood-stained fiend.

    http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Barak_on_BBC-1.jpg

    How do you pay taxes to an institution that you know will use that money to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/a9/47/2ca9475552113c140ac843c71dc6198b.jpg

    ..or Fallujah or Yemen- where the Fiend is currently in a demon's alliance with the Saudis to starve the people into submission to their banal domination.

    It messes with my temperament when everything I see and hear and read is all devil's lies, 24/7.

    I wasn't built like that.

    Perhaps that's one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi's articles so much, because they're a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.

    It's all sinister lies, all day long from the ((controlled)) media and academia and government. And so we all live in this matrix of deceit and moral corruption, and it must effect us all in myriad and unpredictable ways. So I know you're right about Ventura, and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.

    There are a lot of really good people here. The overwhelming majority in fact, but that tiny handful of psychopaths behind the curtain have jaundiced the entire country. Its mood is now one of rancor and bile. Befitting the nature of the ((people)) who have raided its institutions and defiled its character.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    ps, I love George Carlin. An American luminary and legend.
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  95. Frankie P says:
    @Philip Giraldi
    Thanks Geo - corrected!

    Philip Giraldi,

    Thank you for this. You have provided readers with some compelling arguments against the current Israeli/Saudi/American narrative that something must be done about Iran. You make accurate statements about the belligerence coming out of Israel, and the way it is magnified and reflected by the US media. You argue effectively that the other countries and military powers in the “Shia Crescent” are by no means puppets or pawns of Iran, but actually nations and political / military organizations (Hezzbollah) with their own ideologies and agendas, some of which veer away from those of Iran. These are certainly not nations taking orders blindly from Iran, from Iraq to Syria to Nasrallah in Lebanon. You bring up and then rightly dismiss the idea that Iran will work towards a nuclear deterrent, pointing out that continuing the JCPOA is the best strategy for the prevention of a nuclear-armed Iran. I would further mention that Iran has no desire to wield nuclear weapons; it goes against a religious morality that the nation is fortunate to possess, unlike the US with its ever-shrinking moral compass as the original Christian foundation of ethics is undermined and dismantled. You even delve into the current complicated military situation in Syria, bringing up details about the Syrian shooting down of the IDF fighter, the threat to Israel by improving air defense missile capabilities of the SAA and Hezzbollah and the integration of their air defense systems with the superior Russsian system. You pound in an extra nail with the mention of diametrically opposed Israeli and Russian agendas regarding Syria and Iraq, the former with a desire to destabilize and weaken these nations, the latter wanting to stabilize and enable them.

    You knew there was going to be a “but”, didn’t you? Even if it seems somewhat minor.

    Your final paragraph is disappointing in a few ways, and perhaps you turned off your self-monitoring software and started repeating mainstream media talking points:

    “Countering an assumed Iranian threat that is no threat at all and triggering a catastrophic war would be a major mistake that would lead to a breakdown in the current political alignment of the entire Middle East. And it would be costly for the United States.”

    Yes! I couldn’t agree more!! But how would it be costly? You echo the results of the Millenium Challenge 2002 war games exercise when you mention the possibility of the sinking of an aircraft carrier by missile barrage. Well done.

    It’s this that doesn’t make sense to me:
    “And Tehran would also be able to unleash terrorist resources throughout the region, particularly endangering U.S. military and diplomats based there as well as American travelers and businesses.”

    If, as you say, the US made the mistake of “triggering a catastrophic war”, in what way would attacks on US military bases and personnel in ANY PLACE IN THE REGION be considered as terrorist? Think about it. Any Iranian military response to an attack by the US would be legitimate, whether the forces were in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, or Turkey. Let’s not play the mainstream media game and say that an US attack (which would be the terrorism) would be followed by Iranian terrorism. Please point out any recent cases of Iranian terrorism, documented cases with evidence.

    Finally,

    “Promoting a robust U.S. role in “regime change” for Iran as a viable military option to support objectives largely fabricated by allies would be a phony war fought for bad reasons.”

    Excellent!

    “It is not commensurate with the threat that the Mullahs actually pose, which is minimal, and is just not worth the price either in dollars or lives.”

    WTF? That’s just sloppy. Iran has a functioning sovereign government, and YOU, of all people, parroting the Zionist bs of calling the Iranian government “the Mullahs”, a propaganda device designed to evoke images of dirty men in spartan religious edifices with long beards and wild looks in their eyes, is disappointing to say the least.

    Keep up the good work, Phil, I’ve long been a fan.

    Frankie P

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  96. @Zumbuddi
    You again.

    Shouldn't you be focusing on giving up idiotic comments for Lent, or practocing best form for fellating circumcised donkeys?

    Re Iranian values vs Israel values, see #63.

    Re Persian ethics vs Jewish ethics, you're the bible pounder, check out Chronicles.

    Re behavior over past 150 years-- Iran developed nuclear facilities with encouragement of USA, Israel stole nuclear secrets, uraniun, & technology from U S A. Iran signed NPT; Israel refuses to do so and cheated when JFK demanded inspections.

    Now back to IGNORE.

    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim – a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn’t matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The “Palestinians” are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

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    what's the average American IQ?
    , @L.K
    attilatheIdiot: 'Average Iranian IQ 84'

    Sure, and you, an obvious low IQ fool, believe that.

    attilatheIdiot

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.
     
    Fact of the matter is more Jews live in the diaspora than in Israel... even if 'israel' had been set up in N. York, plenty of Jews would continue to live in other countries. You are just trolling.

    attilatheIdiot:

    The “Palestinians” are a made up group.
     
    No, they are not, but the 'israelis' are.

    In the preface of 'Ten Myths About Israel' by Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe, one reads:

    ... Were the Jews indeed the original inhabitants of Palestine who deserved to be supported in every way possible in their "return" to their "homeland"? The myth insists that the Jews who arrived in 1882 were the descendants of the Jews expelled by the Romans around 70 CE. ...Quite a hefty scholarly effort has shown that the Jews of Roman Palestine remained on the land and were first converted to Christianity and then to Islam.

     

    , @jilles dykstra
    When the Balfour declaration was given, many assimilated jews felt insulted.
    They identified themselves with the countries where they lived.
    Until the state of Israel was declared there were many anti zionist jewish organisations.

    IQ tests have a cultural component, IQ does not measure intelligence, as nobody has been able to define intelligence in such a way that it can be measured.
    So an IQ test just measures IQ.
    , @jacques sheete

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim – a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.
     
    Degenerate? Pedophilic?

    You must have them confused with what rabbis teach. Apparently the Babylonian Talmud sanctions sex wit 3 year old girls and also pederasty. These things are easy enough to google.

    Also, what the flip do you know about "Average Iranian IQ 84," and even if true, so what?

    Tribal clowns are known for "embellishing" the truth now and then for their benefit, so why should anyone believe that?
    , @Kolo
    Imbecile Alert
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  97. @Zumbuddi
    You again.

    Shouldn't you be focusing on giving up idiotic comments for Lent, or practocing best form for fellating circumcised donkeys?

    Re Iranian values vs Israel values, see #63.

    Re Persian ethics vs Jewish ethics, you're the bible pounder, check out Chronicles.

    Re behavior over past 150 years-- Iran developed nuclear facilities with encouragement of USA, Israel stole nuclear secrets, uraniun, & technology from U S A. Iran signed NPT; Israel refuses to do so and cheated when JFK demanded inspections.

    Now back to IGNORE.

    For people who have spent a lot of time decrying scripture,

    you are incapable of grasping reality of practice from proscribed writ. Sure the Qu’ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha — so similar they must parallel.

    There’s a reason the US tends toward Israel and not Iran — the values as practice are not aligned. Nor are most US citizens or Israelis deeply invested in scripture. I think it’s funny that for all of the incessant caterwauling about scripture, you see miss how it plays out in reality.

    The strict adherence of Muslims to Qu’ran , especially strictly enforced is entirely antithetical to US values and polemics. Despite the differences among Muslims their practices are aligned and enforced nationally.

    Neither Israel or the US enforce christianity as part of governance as occurs in every Muslim state. That value alone — theocracy — is antithetical to Israel and the US.

    As for what has occurred here. A self reinforcing bubble of back slapping that reinforces faulty logic, incorrect application, even when you get it right — hardly serves as some high standard of intelligence.

    Two major fails: (nothing new there):

    1. Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do

    2. Neither the US nor Jews/Israelis use government to enforce religious/existentialist belief

    On those two alone — those are core value clashes.

    The value of free thought, free expression, freedom to accept or reject religion/God —

    I will put it this way — I bet you’d find more liquor, porn, and movie theaters and stores in one city in both Israel and the US violating Scripture than in all of the Iran.

    Shared values — nonsense.

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    Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do
     
    I see you are it again weird one.
    Its plain you know no Muslims.....there are about as many fundie Muslims in Islam as there are fundie OTs like you in Christianity,
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    "Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do"

    Are you saying the Zionist project is not the marriage of religion and nationalism and that the Jews are not claiming a God given right to Palestine?
    , @Dan Herman

    Sure the Qu’ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha — so similar they must parallel.
     
    I doubt it that you have ever read the Quran or you wouldn't make this stupid comment. There are no similarity or parallel between the Quran and OT/NT.

    Just let us take the example of Abraham's sacrificing his son. In OT it is Isaac and Abraham cons Isaac and never tells him about his dream. In Quran, it is Ishmael who is mature and Abraham tells him about his dream, and obtains Ishmael's permission.

    See the subtle difference between "conning his son" and "obtaining the son's permission".

    Islam doesn't believe in fallen angels or fallen man. In fact, in Islam man is better creation than angel and still is. Period.

    Now look at OT, each Prophet has been shown as Drunkards, Naked, Committing Incest, Stealing, Stealing Birth Right, Committing Murders, Coveting Neighbor's Wife, Committing Adultery, ...... The list is loooong.....

    If the Prophets behave as such, than God's save us from regular people. What their behavior going to be?

    No similarity or parallel in the Quran.

    No religion has ownership on "Golden Rules".
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  98. @Zumbuddi
    You again.

    Shouldn't you be focusing on giving up idiotic comments for Lent, or practocing best form for fellating circumcised donkeys?

    Re Iranian values vs Israel values, see #63.

    Re Persian ethics vs Jewish ethics, you're the bible pounder, check out Chronicles.

    Re behavior over past 150 years-- Iran developed nuclear facilities with encouragement of USA, Israel stole nuclear secrets, uraniun, & technology from U S A. Iran signed NPT; Israel refuses to do so and cheated when JFK demanded inspections.

    Now back to IGNORE.

    The Iranian Constitution — pay attention to the numerous references to God throughout and refernces to the Qu’ran

    http://www.iranonline.com/iran/iran-info/Government/constitution-1.html

    Israeli Constitution – Does not exist officially, but here’s one the referenced frame – note the references to any a scripture — not one.

    http://jcpa.org/dje/articles/const-intro-93.html

    Th Constitution of the US — not a single reliance on any book faith.

    https://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

    On the mistakes you and your band cohorts have embraced is mistaking a christian biblical influence for some literal application. And that mistake is repeated time and time again in responses to christians and how that dynamic has influenced policy or the state. It leads to utterly bankrupt advocacy as claiming the US citizen has more in common with the values of Iran that operates as a theocracy, than Israel which even lacking a constitution chagrins the use of any scripture as to policy and governance.

    Value difference

    Secular verses theocratic in thought and practice.

    You people are great at straining gnats and missing the over arching issues. There are no mass demonstrations chanting death to the US in Israel. Shared values — utter nonsense.

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  99. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    For people who have spent a lot of time decrying scripture,

    you are incapable of grasping reality of practice from proscribed writ. Sure the Qu'ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha -- so similar they must parallel.

    There's a reason the US tends toward Israel and not Iran -- the values as practice are not aligned. Nor are most US citizens or Israelis deeply invested in scripture. I think it's funny that for all of the incessant caterwauling about scripture, you see miss how it plays out in reality.

    The strict adherence of Muslims to Qu'ran , especially strictly enforced is entirely antithetical to US values and polemics. Despite the differences among Muslims their practices are aligned and enforced nationally.


    Neither Israel or the US enforce christianity as part of governance as occurs in every Muslim state. That value alone -- theocracy -- is antithetical to Israel and the US.

    As for what has occurred here. A self reinforcing bubble of back slapping that reinforces faulty logic, incorrect application, even when you get it right -- hardly serves as some high standard of intelligence.


    Two major fails: (nothing new there):

    1. Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture -- Muslims do

    2. Neither the US nor Jews/Israelis use government to enforce religious/existentialist belief


    On those two alone -- those are core value clashes.

    The value of free thought, free expression, freedom to accept or reject religion/God --

    I will put it this way -- I bet you'd find more liquor, porn, and movie theaters and stores in one city in both Israel and the US violating Scripture than in all of the Iran.


    Shared values -- nonsense.

    Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do

    I see you are it again weird one.
    Its plain you know no Muslims…..there are about as many fundie Muslims in Islam as there are fundie OTs like you in Christianity,

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    I think you are missing the point of the exchange. We are not talking about individuals - but society. The US society has far more in common with Israelis than with Iranian society. That is not an interpersonal/interpersonal dynamic but one of a national consensus.

    While fundamentalists have substantial influence on shaping the US. The US is not a fundamentalist state. Iran is.

    Nothing like utterly missing the reality -- most of the US is fundamentalist, not even close. Again you confuse the impact of christian influence for the greater reality that american christian practice is varied. The comparisons you are attempting to make are superficial and when beneath the surface are composed of a small set of believers -- fundamentalists.

    And unlike christian fundamentalists -- would part company in heartbeat on the Qu'ran. Most of the Us is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews - including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless what that means or how it applies in real life.

    If I didn't know any better, I would be stunned.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    some clean up

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless about what that means or how it applies in real life.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx

    One to consider US affinity or commonality with Jews is is by examining opinion polls and despite some dips. The US across the spectrum still identifies with Jewish sympathies. It's important that when discussing value those about religion are not the only ones and in the american polity, perhaps not even primary.

    Based on the rights and practices alone -- there is no question, US society has more in common with Israelis. More in common with Iran than Israel -- nonsense.
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  100. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen
    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

    what’s the average American IQ?

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    It's 98. However, you need to take out blacks/Asians. Then it would be about 108.

    I know you're not bright enough to figure this out. So I 'splained it to you.
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  101. annamaria says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    In short, Gavin Williamson is a copy of Tony Blair the Pious. Mr. Gavin Williamson, the UK’s Minister of Defence, has zero (0) military experience; his education boasts a glorious “BS in social sciences.” As for his other credentials, “Williamson worked as managing director of fireplace manufacturer Elgin & Hall… He has also worked for a Staffordshire pottery firm that made and sold ceramic tableware…
     
    This is the age of incompetents who today define contemporary Western leadership. I am almost forced to refer to Al Pacino's magnificent monologue in Devil's Advocate--"We are coming out, guns blazing." In the same time, US Ambassador to UN, Nikki Haley has a proud entry in her resume as a financial officer of a waste management company. We have lawyers and political "scientists" attending couple seminars on nuclear weapons and some short "courses" on "war" and voila'--they are "ready" to take responsibilities, are they? This whole thing is going down the hill pretty fast now. My hope, though, is still with the adults.

    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.
    Summary of consequences of a nuclear war: http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/
    “-2600 U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear weapons on high-alert are launched (in 2 to 3 minutes) at targets in the U.S., Europe and Russia (and perhaps at other targets which are considered to have strategic value).
    -Some fraction of the remaining 7600 deployed and operational U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear warheads/weapons are also launched and detonated in retaliation for the initial attacks.
    -Hundreds of large cities in the U.S., Europe and Russia are engulfed in massive firestorms which burn urban areas of tens or hundreds of thousands of square miles/kilometers.
    -150 million tons of smoke from nuclear fires rises above cloud level, into the stratosphere, where it quickly spreads around the world and forms a dense stratospheric cloud layer. The smoke will remain there for many years to block and absorb sunlight.
    -The smoke blocks up to 70% of the sunlight from reaching the Earth’s surface in the Northern Hemisphere, and up to 35% of the sunlight is also blocked in the Southern Hemisphere.
    -In the absence of warming sunlight, surface temperatures on Earth become as cold or colder than they were 18,000 years ago at the height of the last Ice Age
    -There would be rapid cooling of more than 20°C over large areas of North America and of more than 30°C over much of Eurasia, including all agricultural regions
    -150 million tons of smoke in the stratosphere would cause minimum daily temperatures in the largest agricultural regions of the Northern Hemisphere to drop below freezing for 1 to 3 years. Nightly killing frosts would occur and prevent food from being grown.
    -Average global precipitation would be reduced by 45% due to the prolonged cold.
    -Growing seasons would be virtually eliminated for many years.
    -Massive destruction of the protective ozone layer would also occur, allowing intense levels of dangerous UV light to penetrate the atmosphere and reach the surface of the Earth.
    -Massive amounts of radioactive fallout would be generated and spread both locally and globally. The targeting of nuclear reactors would significantly increase fallout of long-lived isotopes.
    -Gigantic ground-hugging clouds of toxic smoke would be released from the fires; enormous quantities of industrial chemicals would also enter the environment.
    -It would be impossible for many living things to survive the extreme rapidity and degree of changes in temperature and precipitation, combined with drastic increases in UV light, massive radioactive fallout, and massive releases of toxins and industrial chemicals.
    -Already stressed land and marine ecosystems would collapse.
    -Unable to grow food, most humans would starve to death.
    -A mass extinction event would occur, similar to what happened 65 million years ago, when the dinosaurs were wiped out following a large asteroid impact with Earth (70% of species became extinct, including all animals greater than 25 kilograms in weight).
    -Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment.

    This is our only hope for the deterrent (works when the psychopathic deciders have some degree of attachment to their progeny only): “Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment.

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    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.
     
    Sadly those insane have a lot of cheering from media, which are overwhelmingly populated with ignoramuses. I know there are many decent folks and true professionals left in the US and we may not see the whole picture of a struggle which is currently happening behind the curtain but there is also no denial of almost precipitous decline of American expertise and intellect which happened since 1999. In historic terms it is an instant but the effect is astonishing, in fact it is avalanche and the scope of such decline is stupefying--virtually every aspect of American life and American State is affected. For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.
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  102. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    geokat said to (Hi ho!) silviosilver: "I don’t recall Phil pushing for interventions in Yugoslavia."

    Hi geokat,

    What Phil did during that emotion spinning time is what he did. The NOW is what matters and indeed, his "moral horizon is just fine."

    Meanwhile, suspicious, I smelled a Jordan River rat in 1990's Balkan action.

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic, especially when the Yugoslavia was undergoing NATO "humanitarian bombing." F.Y.I., in a June 1999 N.Y.T. editorial, Solzhenitsyn called what became a 78-day bombing fest, "barbaric."

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew "moral horizon" & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    https://youtu.be/FI1IkKr6RCQ

    Thanks, geo, and be well.

    P.S.: As you might know, recently, President Putin told his friend Netanyahu to stop demonizing Iran. Since Tel Aviv P.D. is (allegedly) after his ass, who knows, maybe "Bibi" might cool it now, & take the Russian's sane advice?

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic…

    I, unfortunately, came up empty handed as well, Chuck.

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew “moral horizon” & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.

    Not sure if Vucic was aware of the activities of the Balkan Action Committee, but what I can say with confidence is that former President Slobodan Milosevic would turn in his grave if he witnessed the current Serbian president thanking the leader of the people who had facilitated the destruction of his country.

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    Cindy Sheehan and the Women’s March on the Pentagon: A Movement, Not Just a Protest
    “Sheehan was taken aback by how some prominent organizers of the recent Women’s March were unwilling to express anti-war positions and argued for excluding the issue of peace entirely from the event and movement as a whole.”
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/cindy-sheehan-and-the-womens-march-on-the-pentagon-a-movement-not-just-a-protest/237835/

    Women’s March on the Pentagon (Give a Sh!t)
    October 20-21, 2018
    https://www.facebook.com/events/184236778838247/?active_tab=discussion


    Cindy Sheehan will be leading FIVE upcoming meetings on the east coast for The Women's March on the Pentagon---
    April 5th in Washington DC
    April 9th in Boston
    April 10th in NYC
    April 12th in Long Island
    April 13th in Lancaster PA

    National Conference Call on March 14th.
    (men welcome!)
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  103. @EliteCommInc.
    For people who have spent a lot of time decrying scripture,

    you are incapable of grasping reality of practice from proscribed writ. Sure the Qu'ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha -- so similar they must parallel.

    There's a reason the US tends toward Israel and not Iran -- the values as practice are not aligned. Nor are most US citizens or Israelis deeply invested in scripture. I think it's funny that for all of the incessant caterwauling about scripture, you see miss how it plays out in reality.

    The strict adherence of Muslims to Qu'ran , especially strictly enforced is entirely antithetical to US values and polemics. Despite the differences among Muslims their practices are aligned and enforced nationally.


    Neither Israel or the US enforce christianity as part of governance as occurs in every Muslim state. That value alone -- theocracy -- is antithetical to Israel and the US.

    As for what has occurred here. A self reinforcing bubble of back slapping that reinforces faulty logic, incorrect application, even when you get it right -- hardly serves as some high standard of intelligence.


    Two major fails: (nothing new there):

    1. Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture -- Muslims do

    2. Neither the US nor Jews/Israelis use government to enforce religious/existentialist belief


    On those two alone -- those are core value clashes.

    The value of free thought, free expression, freedom to accept or reject religion/God --

    I will put it this way -- I bet you'd find more liquor, porn, and movie theaters and stores in one city in both Israel and the US violating Scripture than in all of the Iran.


    Shared values -- nonsense.

    “Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do”

    Are you saying the Zionist project is not the marriage of religion and nationalism and that the Jews are not claiming a God given right to Palestine?

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    I am saying there is considerable tensions between orthodox Jews and what are often referred to as "cultural" Jews. And I would agree that Israel is playing a dicey game with the issue of faith and polity.

    In other words for a bid for property and territory, Jews/Israelis lay claim to a faith that most do not practice according to the Torah.
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  104. L.K says:
    @attilathehen
    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

    attilatheIdiot: ‘Average Iranian IQ 84′

    Sure, and you, an obvious low IQ fool, believe that.

    attilatheIdiot

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Fact of the matter is more Jews live in the diaspora than in Israel… even if ‘israel’ had been set up in N. York, plenty of Jews would continue to live in other countries. You are just trolling.

    attilatheIdiot:

    The “Palestinians” are a made up group.

    No, they are not, but the ‘israelis’ are.

    In the preface of ‘Ten Myths About Israel’ by Israeli Historian Ilan Pappe, one reads:

    … Were the Jews indeed the original inhabitants of Palestine who deserved to be supported in every way possible in their “return” to their “homeland”? The myth insists that the Jews who arrived in 1882 were the descendants of the Jews expelled by the Romans around 70 CE. …Quite a hefty scholarly effort has shown that the Jews of Roman Palestine remained on the land and were first converted to Christianity and then to Islam.

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  105. @anon
    what's the average American IQ?

    It’s 98. However, you need to take out blacks/Asians. Then it would be about 108.

    I know you’re not bright enough to figure this out. So I ‘splained it to you.

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  106. @renfro

    Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do
     
    I see you are it again weird one.
    Its plain you know no Muslims.....there are about as many fundie Muslims in Islam as there are fundie OTs like you in Christianity,

    I think you are missing the point of the exchange. We are not talking about individuals – but society. The US society has far more in common with Israelis than with Iranian society. That is not an interpersonal/interpersonal dynamic but one of a national consensus.

    While fundamentalists have substantial influence on shaping the US. The US is not a fundamentalist state. Iran is.

    Nothing like utterly missing the reality — most of the US is fundamentalist, not even close. Again you confuse the impact of christian influence for the greater reality that american christian practice is varied. The comparisons you are attempting to make are superficial and when beneath the surface are composed of a small set of believers — fundamentalists.

    And unlike christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the Us is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless what that means or how it applies in real life.

    If I didn’t know any better, I would be stunned.

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    If I didn’t know any better, I would be stunned
     
    I think you mean you don't know any better because you are stunted.

    Sure the US and Israel share the same values...because we don't allow anyone into the US except Christians....just like Israel doesn't accept any immigrants except Jews.

    rotflmao......you are soooo weird.
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  107. @JoaoAlfaiate
    "Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do"

    Are you saying the Zionist project is not the marriage of religion and nationalism and that the Jews are not claiming a God given right to Palestine?

    I am saying there is considerable tensions between orthodox Jews and what are often referred to as “cultural” Jews. And I would agree that Israel is playing a dicey game with the issue of faith and polity.

    In other words for a bid for property and territory, Jews/Israelis lay claim to a faith that most do not practice according to the Torah.

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    But you're ignoring the fact that BOTH the Orthodox AND the secular cultural Jews follow the teachings of the Talmud, which places Jewish life above gentile life. This ethnocentrism in NOT limited to Israeli Jews, and history has shown that there is no need to codify. Even fakes written by gentiles, such as The Protocols, are matched and more by the long term behavior and social agenda of Jews.
    , @JoaoAlfaiate
    Are you acknowledging by your reply that Jews have no special religious connection to Palestine and that the Old Testament doesn't matter and that instead of Palestine the Zionists could have chosen Uganda or Madagascar for their state and been equally happy? You seem keen to emphasize the religious underpinning for some states in the Middle East but minimizing it for the Zionist project.
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  108. @renfro

    Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture — Muslims do
     
    I see you are it again weird one.
    Its plain you know no Muslims.....there are about as many fundie Muslims in Islam as there are fundie OTs like you in Christianity,

    some clean up

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless about what that means or how it applies in real life.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx

    One to consider US affinity or commonality with Jews is is by examining opinion polls and despite some dips. The US across the spectrum still identifies with Jewish sympathies. It’s important that when discussing value those about religion are not the only ones and in the american polity, perhaps not even primary.

    Based on the rights and practices alone — there is no question, US society has more in common with Israelis. More in common with Iran than Israel — nonsense.

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    Read the book " From Yahweh to Zion" by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.
    , @renfro

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists.
     
    lol...when history is writ oh weird one, Christo zios and Israelis aren't going to come off well.
    You're grandchildren, if you have any, will be shamed and embarrassed by you.

    God told me to tell you to tell your fellow old testament brethren that He is not sending his spaceship to Israel to pick you up on doomsday.
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  109. Frankie P says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I am saying there is considerable tensions between orthodox Jews and what are often referred to as "cultural" Jews. And I would agree that Israel is playing a dicey game with the issue of faith and polity.

    In other words for a bid for property and territory, Jews/Israelis lay claim to a faith that most do not practice according to the Torah.

    But you’re ignoring the fact that BOTH the Orthodox AND the secular cultural Jews follow the teachings of the Talmud, which places Jewish life above gentile life. This ethnocentrism in NOT limited to Israeli Jews, and history has shown that there is no need to codify. Even fakes written by gentiles, such as The Protocols, are matched and more by the long term behavior and social agenda of Jews.

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    Even fakes written by gentiles, such as The Protocols,
     
    Given the well known fact that the supremacist Talmudists sanction lying, I have little doubt that the "Protocols" are not forgeries as they would naturally claim.

    However, I wouldn't be surprised to find that some Talmudist whacko wrote the damned thing for the purpose of claiming that it was a goy fraud.

    In my opinion, the actual document may be a fraud, but the stories it tells are nevertheless decent descriptions of reality.
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  110. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Subsequently, I tried (but) failed to find something that related to P.M. Ariel Sharon and demonized Serbian President Slobodon Milosevic...
     
    I, unfortunately, came up empty handed as well, Chuck.

    However, below is a You Tube Video (2014) where P.M. Netanyahu articulated his low-country Zionist Jew “moral horizon” & corresponding biased Balkan history to President Vucic.
     
    Not sure if Vucic was aware of the activities of the Balkan Action Committee, but what I can say with confidence is that former President Slobodan Milosevic would turn in his grave if he witnessed the current Serbian president thanking the leader of the people who had facilitated the destruction of his country.

    Cindy Sheehan and the Women’s March on the Pentagon: A Movement, Not Just a Protest
    “Sheehan was taken aback by how some prominent organizers of the recent Women’s March were unwilling to express anti-war positions and argued for excluding the issue of peace entirely from the event and movement as a whole.”

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/cindy-sheehan-and-the-womens-march-on-the-pentagon-a-movement-not-just-a-protest/237835/

    Women’s March on the Pentagon (Give a Sh!t)
    October 20-21, 2018

    https://www.facebook.com/events/184236778838247/?active_tab=discussion

    Cindy Sheehan will be leading FIVE upcoming meetings on the east coast for The Women’s March on the Pentagon—
    April 5th in Washington DC
    April 9th in Boston
    April 10th in NYC
    April 12th in Long Island
    April 13th in Lancaster PA

    National Conference Call on March 14th.
    (men welcome!)

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    Here's what they're saying about some of the leaders:

    https://twitter.com/jgreenblattadl/status/968666739679678465?s=21

    Speaking of a blast from the past, I was delighted to see that our very own Nurit Baytch was still in the game:

    https://twitter.com/nuritbaytch/status/968631654175698944?s=21

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  111. @attilathehen
    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

    When the Balfour declaration was given, many assimilated jews felt insulted.
    They identified themselves with the countries where they lived.
    Until the state of Israel was declared there were many anti zionist jewish organisations.

    IQ tests have a cultural component, IQ does not measure intelligence, as nobody has been able to define intelligence in such a way that it can be measured.
    So an IQ test just measures IQ.

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  112. Kolo says:
    @Darth Maul
    Hey idiot-Giraldi, Israel always fights their own wars - ever hear of the six day war, war of independence, etc?

    Moron Alert

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  113. @Rurik

    It would be dangerous in the extreme to let the world’s biggest supporter of world-wide terrorism have weapons of mass destruction.
     
    this is true, which is exactly why we need to demand that Israel submit to nuclear disarmament and inspections.

    Until then- we cut off all aid and implement sanctions, starting with the removal of all dual citizens from positions of influence in our government and media.

    John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, ditto all the other traitorous scum who've infiltrated the levers of power in our republic.

    It wasn't Iran that perpetrated the cowardly act of war on our sailors aboard the USS Liberty

    It wasn't Iran that set up cameras to document their event on 9/11, it was Israel that did that, and the reason they did it is by now well known.. to get the US to destroy seven nations in the Middle East that Israel considers inconvenient to its Jewish supremacist agenda.

    Jonathan Pollard was not a trusted Iranian-American who betrayed a sacred oath to this nation and sold our secrets to our enemies for cash, was he?

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/netanyahu-trump-jonathan-pollard-move-israel-article-1.3602067

    It isn't Iran that is murdering Palestinians and stealing their land

    it isn't Iran that is illegally occupying the Golan Heights and flying illegal incursions into their neighbors sovereign air space, is it?

    It wasn't Iran that drove a bulldozed over and crushed under steel and dirt an idealistic young American girl- and then laughed about her horrific death by calling her 'bulldozer girl', was it?

    https://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/corrie.jpg

    it isn't Iran that loots our Treasury of billions a year, and then uses that extorted lucre to corrupt and subvert our federal government and institutions into the service of our enemies, is it?

    so yes, you're right.

    — no more U.S. wars in the Middle-East....
     
    for Israel

    no more trillions of dollars looted from our grandchildren's future to pay for mass-murder - for Israel

    no more young American boys and girls coming home in body bags so that Israel can steal more of her neighbor's land

    no more threatening and menacing Iran, so that the one true terrorist state: Israel, can lord it over its victims, as the dumb Americans pay in blood and treasure to bolster our enemy

    “John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, ”

    True, but Bolton must also be committed to a mental facility for the criminally insane.

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    Agree.
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  114. @attilathehen
    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim – a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    Degenerate? Pedophilic?

    You must have them confused with what rabbis teach. Apparently the Babylonian Talmud sanctions sex wit 3 year old girls and also pederasty. These things are easy enough to google.

    Also, what the flip do you know about “Average Iranian IQ 84,” and even if true, so what?

    Tribal clowns are known for “embellishing” the truth now and then for their benefit, so why should anyone believe that?

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    The self-proclaimed "girl" attilathehen is seemingly unaware of certain Sir Saville and other influential pedophiles in the UK; some of them were exposed but many more were not: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/10/17/1146091/-Jimmy-Savile-Pedophile-Friend-of-Royalty-and-the-Cover-up-to-Pervert-Justice
    "...for four decades Savile reportedly molested and raped children as young as nine because no one stopped him. His high level contacts had made him untouchable. ... It’s not just the allegations of pedophilia against Sir Jimmy Savile that are so shocking, but the fact that these crimes appear to have occurred over a 40 year period... The sad fact is that in the UK and Canada the secret Intelligence/Security Apparatus are known to see part of their role as operating outside the law to illegally protect establishment elites from justice when they do wrong. Nobody - not the public, not police, not journalists, not the judiciary - would dare report a man who is being protected by MI5 or MI6." [See Mr. Steele' exploits, Mrs. Clinton' moralizing speeches, and the free-range criminals Cheney & Co]
    https://www.sott.net/article/252813-Jimmy-Savile-scandal-exposes-pedophile-network-at-heart-of-British-establishment
    "The BBC bosses ordered that the investigation [of Saville' crimes] be dropped."
    --There were other influential untouchable pedophiles: "UK Prime Minister Edward Heath "would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends..."
    -- More: "Sir Jimmy Savile received a medal from Israel in 1979, for services rendered. Reportedly, Savile visited Israel in 1975 to advise Israel's President Ephraim Katzir on a matter of security. ... One of Savile's eight homes was a flat in the heart of the Leeds Jewish community in Roundhay... He was a regular at fundraising dinners at synagogues in Leeds and Manchester..."
    --Also, "Jimmy Savile had both a Royal and Papal knighthood (Order of St. Gregory the Great). He was a Knights Hospitaller (also known as the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, Order of St. John, Knights of Malta, and Chevaliers of Malta)."
    -- How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike? - Well: " Sir Anthony Blunt blocked police investigations into activities involving Jimmy Savile. Blunt worked for the British security service MI5 and was close to Lord Victor Rothschild."
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  115. @Anonymous
    Aircraft carriers are inconsequential. They will rust first. They can still serve as props in a movie however. Iran is very smart, they built a fake of a US aircraft carrier while the US spends much more to build aircraft carriers that are becoming fake to the rest of the world.

    Aircraft carriers are inconsequential. They will rust first.

    They’re still useful, no doubt, for threatening and arm twisting small, poorly armed countries and we all know that the US has never fought a fair fight. It only picks on the weak.

    In case anyone disagrees on the basis of “de big ones,” consider that the US appeased and supported two of the biggest political monstrosities of modern history, the Brit and Soviet empires, against very underwhelming odds.

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  116. Kolo says:
    @attilathehen
    Wrong.

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim - a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.

    If Iran collapses, it doesn't matter.

    As to Israel, I support Israel because we need a place for Jews. Jews do not belong in the West.

    Average Israeli Jewish IQ 93.

    The "Palestinians" are a made up group. Average Palestinian IQ is 85. Over 95% are Muslims. They can easily assimilate to the other low IQ Middle Eastern countries.

    We need to set boundaries for Israel, tell the other Middle Eastern countries they have to accept this, and tell the Muslims to focus on trying to improve themselves.

    Imbecile Alert

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    Awwww. You're protecting the commentators from truth. You and they can't handle the truth as was said in some movie.
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  117. “Sheehan was taken aback by how some prominent organizers of the recent Women’s March were unwilling to express anti-war positions and argued for excluding the issue of peace entirely from the event and movement as a whole.”

    This is typical behavior for that and like groups who’re well known ( as you know) for their “flexible values.” (Sorry for using the term, “values” so lightly.)

    And the Left intelligentsia made their swing-over from ‘War is hell’ to ‘War is glorious’ not only with no sense of incongruity but almost without any intervening stage.

    George Orwell, LOOKING BACK ON THE SPANISH WAR (1942)

    http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part15

    In other circumstances, Communists would have blasted the fact that war production was chiefly in the hands of ten large corporations and that 80 per cent of the war production was in the hands of a hundred firms. Now the Communists carefully muted such information. Instead, they played on the workers’ feelings of patriotism.

    -Bella Dodd, School of Darkness Chap 11

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  118. You can bet the Izzy soldiers have lower IQs than their dogs.

    Following brutal attack on teenage son, Palestinian family sues Israel and Dutch company that supplies military dogs

    Israeli soldiers can be heard saying “give it to him, son of a bitch” and “who’s afraid?” as the teenager cried and screamed in pain.

    After the video went public, Michael Ben-Ari, a former Israeli lawmaker of the right-wing National Union Party, posted the video to his Facebook page saying “The soldiers are teaching the little terrorist a lesson. Share it! So that every little terrorist who plans to harm our soldiers will learn there is a price.”

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/following-palestinian-military/

    On the other hand, the Palestinians who’re suing probably have IQs far above the Izzy average. No doubt more civilized as well.

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  119. @Frankie P
    But you're ignoring the fact that BOTH the Orthodox AND the secular cultural Jews follow the teachings of the Talmud, which places Jewish life above gentile life. This ethnocentrism in NOT limited to Israeli Jews, and history has shown that there is no need to codify. Even fakes written by gentiles, such as The Protocols, are matched and more by the long term behavior and social agenda of Jews.

    Even fakes written by gentiles, such as The Protocols,

    Given the well known fact that the supremacist Talmudists sanction lying, I have little doubt that the “Protocols” are not forgeries as they would naturally claim.

    However, I wouldn’t be surprised to find that some Talmudist whacko wrote the damned thing for the purpose of claiming that it was a goy fraud.

    In my opinion, the actual document may be a fraud, but the stories it tells are nevertheless decent descriptions of reality.

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  120. Robjil says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    some clean up

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless about what that means or how it applies in real life.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx

    One to consider US affinity or commonality with Jews is is by examining opinion polls and despite some dips. The US across the spectrum still identifies with Jewish sympathies. It's important that when discussing value those about religion are not the only ones and in the american polity, perhaps not even primary.

    Based on the rights and practices alone -- there is no question, US society has more in common with Israelis. More in common with Iran than Israel -- nonsense.

    Read the book ” From Yahweh to Zion” by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.

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    Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology.
     
    And it's apparent from their repeated behaviors.

    I provided one example in #118.


    Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west.
     
    For sure.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Oy . . .


    I am going to avoid my usual tolerance for dancing in the weeds.

    As previously acknowledged, fundamentalist christians in large numbers support Israel, not all but many. And unfortunately, in my view, some of that support is over the line. But if every single fundamentalist would disappear on the morrow, most US citizens would still claim they have more in common with Israel than Iran.

    Despite our religious spritual wrangling - the US by practice operates as a secular state as does Israel -
    Iran does not. Tolerances for the values expressed openly in the and Israel are serious impediments to common value alignment.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    I am going skip my usual indulgence of straying into territory that is but tangentially related to the central issue. That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran.

    Directly related to that question is a very simple correlation.

    The US embodies a "liberal" expression of values. Not unlike most of Europe, even Russia (despite the wrangling) Israel in spite of beliefs and small fundamentalist community shes a similar understanding based on the simple reality that they are predominantly European Jews.
    , @EliteCommInc.
    Tolerances for the values expressed openly in the US and Israel are serious impediments to common value alignment.
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  121. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    Cindy Sheehan and the Women’s March on the Pentagon: A Movement, Not Just a Protest
    “Sheehan was taken aback by how some prominent organizers of the recent Women’s March were unwilling to express anti-war positions and argued for excluding the issue of peace entirely from the event and movement as a whole.”
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/cindy-sheehan-and-the-womens-march-on-the-pentagon-a-movement-not-just-a-protest/237835/

    Women’s March on the Pentagon (Give a Sh!t)
    October 20-21, 2018
    https://www.facebook.com/events/184236778838247/?active_tab=discussion


    Cindy Sheehan will be leading FIVE upcoming meetings on the east coast for The Women's March on the Pentagon---
    April 5th in Washington DC
    April 9th in Boston
    April 10th in NYC
    April 12th in Long Island
    April 13th in Lancaster PA

    National Conference Call on March 14th.
    (men welcome!)

    Here’s what they’re saying about some of the leaders:

    Speaking of a blast from the past, I was delighted to see that our very own Nurit Baytch was still in the game:

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    "Leaders" of what?

    Geo, I believe you're conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.

    The whole point of the Mint Press article [above] is that the Pussy Warriors have shunned the anti-war activists. Hence, Cindy Sheehan's decision to embark on the Pentagon action.

    #WomenRiseforPeaceTogether

    https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/womenriseforpeacetogether?source=feed_text
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  122. annamaria says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "John Bolton must register as an agent of a foreign government, "

    True, but Bolton must also be committed to a mental facility for the criminally insane.

    Agree.

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  123. @EliteCommInc.
    For people who have spent a lot of time decrying scripture,

    you are incapable of grasping reality of practice from proscribed writ. Sure the Qu'ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha -- so similar they must parallel.

    There's a reason the US tends toward Israel and not Iran -- the values as practice are not aligned. Nor are most US citizens or Israelis deeply invested in scripture. I think it's funny that for all of the incessant caterwauling about scripture, you see miss how it plays out in reality.

    The strict adherence of Muslims to Qu'ran , especially strictly enforced is entirely antithetical to US values and polemics. Despite the differences among Muslims their practices are aligned and enforced nationally.


    Neither Israel or the US enforce christianity as part of governance as occurs in every Muslim state. That value alone -- theocracy -- is antithetical to Israel and the US.

    As for what has occurred here. A self reinforcing bubble of back slapping that reinforces faulty logic, incorrect application, even when you get it right -- hardly serves as some high standard of intelligence.


    Two major fails: (nothing new there):

    1. Neither most Jews/Israelis nor US citizens adhere to fundamentalist beliefs and practice of scripture -- Muslims do

    2. Neither the US nor Jews/Israelis use government to enforce religious/existentialist belief


    On those two alone -- those are core value clashes.

    The value of free thought, free expression, freedom to accept or reject religion/God --

    I will put it this way -- I bet you'd find more liquor, porn, and movie theaters and stores in one city in both Israel and the US violating Scripture than in all of the Iran.


    Shared values -- nonsense.

    Sure the Qu’ran is loaded with OT and NT references. I could read all there and surmise aha — so similar they must parallel.

    I doubt it that you have ever read the Quran or you wouldn’t make this stupid comment. There are no similarity or parallel between the Quran and OT/NT.

    Just let us take the example of Abraham’s sacrificing his son. In OT it is Isaac and Abraham cons Isaac and never tells him about his dream. In Quran, it is Ishmael who is mature and Abraham tells him about his dream, and obtains Ishmael’s permission.

    See the subtle difference between “conning his son” and “obtaining the son’s permission”.

    Islam doesn’t believe in fallen angels or fallen man. In fact, in Islam man is better creation than angel and still is. Period.

    Now look at OT, each Prophet has been shown as Drunkards, Naked, Committing Incest, Stealing, Stealing Birth Right, Committing Murders, Coveting Neighbor’s Wife, Committing Adultery, …… The list is loooong…..

    If the Prophets behave as such, than God’s save us from regular people. What their behavior going to be?

    No similarity or parallel in the Quran.

    No religion has ownership on “Golden Rules”.

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  124. Nick Baam says: • Website

    “When Napoleon had conquered much of continental Europe and was contemplating invading Britain in 1804 it was widely believed that England was helpless before him. But Admiral Earl St Vincent was nonplussed.”

    In fact, nonplussed means just the opposite. It means dismayed. It’s possibly the most misused word in the English language — it must be the double ‘s,’ and the ‘non.’

    In Malvern, malvernthenovel.com, the protagonist, in his copy-editing cover letter, comments on it. To wit:

    “A good copy editor possesses two essential knowledges — all that’s important, and all that’s unimportant. The first allows him to make sure the sentence reads right. The second allows him to spot the differences between the liners Queen Elizabeth and Queen Mary, to identify May Pang, Rosie Ruiz, and Edith Head; to know who’s nonplussed and who isn’t. A good copy editor knows the names of Alfred Hitchcock’s Three Investigators, knows which four states are technically commonwealths; that the Beatles’ single ‘She Loves You’ was on Swan Records, and of course how to spell bouillabaisse, Reykjavik, fuchsia, and Pete Townshend and Spike Jonze.”

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  125. @Robjil
    Read the book " From Yahweh to Zion" by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.

    Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology.

    And it’s apparent from their repeated behaviors.

    I provided one example in #118.

    Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west.

    For sure.

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  126. Hi All,

    As Congress entertains allowing Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons, a must read (below) on the plan to increase ZUS donations to Israel for their “offensive” defense.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/27/us-lawmakers-seek-major-increases-to-38-billion-israeli-military-aid-package/

    Pathetic.

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    "US Lawmakers Seek Major Increases to $38 Billion Israeli Military Aid Package"

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/27/us-lawmakers-seek-major-increases-to-38-billion-israeli-military-aid-package/
     

    U.S. National Debt (http://www.usdebtclock.org)

    Balance: –$20.7 trillion dollars.

    With America's piggy bank empty, you wonder how these trust-fund children are still drawing on an account that has a negative balance?

    Probably a question for some trust-law legal experts in D.C.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

    , @renfro
    Disgusting...but not surprising. There is no bottom to their greed and no bottom to congressperps treason.
    If the jewish fifth column didn't control the press and media we could put this on the front page and prime time and that would be the end of this parasite.
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  127. annamaria says:
    @jacques sheete

    Average Iranian IQ 84. They are Muslim – a degenerate, pedophiliac belief system.
     
    Degenerate? Pedophilic?

    You must have them confused with what rabbis teach. Apparently the Babylonian Talmud sanctions sex wit 3 year old girls and also pederasty. These things are easy enough to google.

    Also, what the flip do you know about "Average Iranian IQ 84," and even if true, so what?

    Tribal clowns are known for "embellishing" the truth now and then for their benefit, so why should anyone believe that?

    The self-proclaimed “girl” attilathehen is seemingly unaware of certain Sir Saville and other influential pedophiles in the UK; some of them were exposed but many more were not: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/10/17/1146091/-Jimmy-Savile-Pedophile-Friend-of-Royalty-and-the-Cover-up-to-Pervert-Justice
    “…for four decades Savile reportedly molested and raped children as young as nine because no one stopped him. His high level contacts had made him untouchable. … It’s not just the allegations of pedophilia against Sir Jimmy Savile that are so shocking, but the fact that these crimes appear to have occurred over a 40 year period… The sad fact is that in the UK and Canada the secret Intelligence/Security Apparatus are known to see part of their role as operating outside the law to illegally protect establishment elites from justice when they do wrong. Nobody – not the public, not police, not journalists, not the judiciary – would dare report a man who is being protected by MI5 or MI6.” [See Mr. Steele' exploits, Mrs. Clinton' moralizing speeches, and the free-range criminals Cheney & Co]

    https://www.sott.net/article/252813-Jimmy-Savile-scandal-exposes-pedophile-network-at-heart-of-British-establishment

    “The BBC bosses ordered that the investigation [of Saville' crimes] be dropped.”
    –There were other influential untouchable pedophiles: “UK Prime Minister Edward Heath “would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends…”
    – More: “Sir Jimmy Savile received a medal from Israel in 1979, for services rendered. Reportedly, Savile visited Israel in 1975 to advise Israel’s President Ephraim Katzir on a matter of security. … One of Savile’s eight homes was a flat in the heart of the Leeds Jewish community in Roundhay… He was a regular at fundraising dinners at synagogues in Leeds and Manchester…”
    –Also, “Jimmy Savile had both a Royal and Papal knighthood (Order of St. Gregory the Great). He was a Knights Hospitaller (also known as the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, Order of St. John, Knights of Malta, and Chevaliers of Malta).”
    – How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike? – Well: ” Sir Anthony Blunt blocked police investigations into activities involving Jimmy Savile. Blunt worked for the British security service MI5 and was close to Lord Victor Rothschild.”

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    – How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike?
     
    Thank you for yet another excellent comment.

    The deeper one digs, the more disgusted one gets, and to think that in the 21st century people still believe that government exists to protect us proles and peasants!
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  128. @EliteCommInc.
    I am saying there is considerable tensions between orthodox Jews and what are often referred to as "cultural" Jews. And I would agree that Israel is playing a dicey game with the issue of faith and polity.

    In other words for a bid for property and territory, Jews/Israelis lay claim to a faith that most do not practice according to the Torah.

    Are you acknowledging by your reply that Jews have no special religious connection to Palestine and that the Old Testament doesn’t matter and that instead of Palestine the Zionists could have chosen Uganda or Madagascar for their state and been equally happy? You seem keen to emphasize the religious underpinning for some states in the Middle East but minimizing it for the Zionist project.

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    Laugh.


    I am acknowledging that for most Jews, they are disinclined to hold to orthodox practices of OT or the Talmud. Hence the tensions between the various Orthodoxed Jews and the "cultural" Jews. Is the Talmud a guidebook or the law of the land. As someone who leans fundamentalist, I would appreciate the values of the "ascetic" lifestyle because their tend would be to observe a more literal view.

    The "cultiral Jew" would certainly observe a myriad facets of religious observances, but that would be akin to one's conscience as to practice. According to one's conscience would also be a western ideal. More Jews critique Judaism withe severe deconstructive post modern tools than anyone in Iran would ever engage openly.

    And I would and do contend that in making headway with Israel we are going make said headway via our common nexus of values both secular and those of faith and practice.

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  129. @Robjil
    Read the book " From Yahweh to Zion" by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.

    Oy . . .

    I am going to avoid my usual tolerance for dancing in the weeds.

    As previously acknowledged, fundamentalist christians in large numbers support Israel, not all but many. And unfortunately, in my view, some of that support is over the line. But if every single fundamentalist would disappear on the morrow, most US citizens would still claim they have more in common with Israel than Iran.

    Despite our religious spritual wrangling – the US by practice operates as a secular state as does Israel –
    Iran does not. Tolerances for the values expressed openly in the and Israel are serious impediments to common value alignment.

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    Until the coup engineered by George Herbert Walker Bush and his fired CIA pals, Iranians were the largest group of foreign nationals in US universities, included its major universities.

    It was a fruitful and dynamic era in US academia.

    US defense industry as well as the US military and military academies collaborated beneficially with Iran and Iranians.

    The American people did not express reflexive hatred of Iran or Iranians; they were respected and welcome.

    As Jews have done for millennia, they exploited a vacuum: Jewish dominance of US universities is one more factor in the collateral damage brought about by perversion of CIA and America's 'deep state'.

    The death of Billy Graham brings to the forefront, momentarily, how American Christianis have been "stupidified" by media masters -- Graham's 'gift' aligned closely with Jewish gifts at media dominance and mass emotionalizatio-displacing-critical thinking-- he made use of new modes of mass media and Elmer Gantry appeal to convince low-IQ Americans that the core belief of Christianity is "Christians are sinners."

    That works nicely for Jews, who disdain that belief, as, I'm pleased to see, do Muslims -- see #123, (h/t Dan Herman) http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/blundering-into-iran/#comment-2223695


    Islam doesn’t believe in fallen angels or fallen man. In fact, in Islam man is better creation than angel and still is. Period.
     
    All your argument amounts to, elitecommie, is that Jews have been successful in full-sectrum dominance of propaganda/mass media.

    That was not always the case, as the experience of Iranians in US universities demonstrates, and it can change again on the same thin dime as was the case in 1979.

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  130. @Robjil
    Read the book " From Yahweh to Zion" by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.

    I am going skip my usual indulgence of straying into territory that is but tangentially related to the central issue. That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran.

    Directly related to that question is a very simple correlation.

    The US embodies a “liberal” expression of values. Not unlike most of Europe, even Russia (despite the wrangling) Israel in spite of beliefs and small fundamentalist community shes a similar understanding based on the simple reality that they are predominantly European Jews.

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    That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran
     
    You are hopelessly fucked up oh weird one. In the American heart there is one thing that still stands as representative of our best value....Fairness.

    There is only one polling entity that is recognized world wide as the most reliable and non partisan, the WPOP, run by the Kennedy Center and the Sadat Chair at the University of Maryland, and conducted in cooperation with the University’s Program for Public Consultation. Here it is and its not a silly paid for by someone Pew type dialing area codes poll...so pay attention. And prepare yourself for part two in which ..... No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.


    What Americans Evangelicals think about Israel and the Middle East

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/what-americans-especially-evangelicals-think-about-israel-and-the-middle-east/

    A new poll shows that in dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict overall, an overwhelming 77% of Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward Israel as compared to 29% to Americans overall and 36% of non-Evangelical Republicans.
    In contrast 66% of all Americans and 60% of Non-Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward neither side.
    This pattern holds on other aspects of US policy toward the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. If the UN Security Council considers endorsing the establishment of a Palestinian state, only 26% of all Americans and 38% of non-Evangelical Republicans favor the US voting against it. However six in ten Evangelical Republicans say that the US should vote against it, thus vetoing the move. Evangelical Republicans also differ in that they pay far more attention to a candidate’s position on Israel. When considering which candidate to vote for in Congress or for president just 26% of all Americans and 33% of non-Evangelical Republicans say they consider the candidates position on Israel a lot. Among Evangelical Republicans 64% say they consider it a lot
    Evangelical Republicans represent 23% of all Republicans and 10% of the general population
    Overall, twice as many Americans say the Israeli government has too much influence (37%) than say too little influence (18%),
    Concerns about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are driven more by considerations related to human right and international law than US interests. Offered five options to explain their concern, the largest number — 47%– say human rights or international law, while 32% say America’s interest. Thirteen percent say cite religious beliefs, while 8% express concern for Israel’s interests. Overall, 37% of Americans (and 49% of Democrats) recommend punitive measures against Israel over its settlement policy (27% recommend economic sanctions, and 10% recommend taking more serious action); 31% recommend that the U.S. limits its opposition to words, 27% recommend that the U.S. do nothing.

    Now, here is their poll nation wide for the US and world wide for Israel.

    International Poll: Most Publics–including Americans–Oppose Taking Sides in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/international-poll-most-publics-including-americans-oppose-taking-sides-in-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
    Country-by-Country Summaries (PDF)
    Questionnaire/methodology (PDF)
    Press Release (PDF)
    Full PDF Version

    A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India). No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

    Publics around the world are not cheering for either side and want their governments to take an even-handed approach,” said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org. “All of the key actors are seen as failing to do their part to break the impasse and most want the UN Security Council to step in and offer peacekeeping forces and even security guarantees to help resolve the conflict.”
    The poll of 18,792 respondents was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-2 to 4 percent.

    Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel’s side.
    In eight of the countries this was a large majority–seven in 10 or more–including Mexicans (88%), South Koreans (82%), Britons (79%), the French (79%), Peruvians (76%), the Chinese (74%), Americans (71%), and Ukrainians (69%).
    Only in a few predominantly Muslim countries do most favor taking the side of the Palestinians. Robust majorities take this position in Egypt (86%) and Iran (63%), as does a modest plurality in Turkey (42% Palestinians’ side, 38% neither side). However two other predominantly Muslim countries primarily favor taking neither side–Azerbaijan (54%) and Indonesia (43%).
    In no country does a majority favor taking Israel’s side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel’s side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians (15%).
    Overall, there is strong support for the United Nations playing a robust role in the effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Very large numbers favor the United Nations contributing a peacekeeping force to enforce a peace agreement and substantial numbers favor the UN Security Council offering to provide security guarantees to Israel and the Arab countries.
    Enforcement of Peace Agreement
    In 16 of 17 countries polled, majorities or pluralities favor the UN Security Council offering–if Israel and the Palestinians come to a peace agreement–to send a peacekeeping force to enforce the agreement. On average, 67 percent favor such an approach, while just 20 percent oppose the idea.
    Among all of the permanent members of the UN Security Council publics are supportive. In four countries this is by a robust majority–China (81%), France (74%), Great Britain (67%), and the United States (61%). Only in Russia is support limited to a plurality (47%), though few are opposed (25%).
    Palestinians are strongly in favor of such an idea (63%), as are those in other predominantly Muslim countries–Turkey (65%), and Egypt (64%).
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  131. @Robjil
    Read the book " From Yahweh to Zion" by Laurent Guyonet. Zionism is a barbaric primitive ideology. It based on the primitive tribal local god of Yahweh. The Purim day wars of the US empire on Iraq 1991, 2003 and Libya 2011 is a glaring example. Why was the date of Purim picked to destroy this countries? There are 352 days a year. Obviously, we have Old testament fanatics ruling us in the west. The rulers of the west have to give up their primitive version of God or the Cosmos. A universal God or Cosmos who loves and respects all of humanity is needed for the west , no chosen favorites or exceptional one or the ruler of the seas. We are all connected. Hurt one you hurt all.

    Tolerances for the values expressed openly in the US and Israel are serious impediments to common value alignment.

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  132. @JoaoAlfaiate
    Are you acknowledging by your reply that Jews have no special religious connection to Palestine and that the Old Testament doesn't matter and that instead of Palestine the Zionists could have chosen Uganda or Madagascar for their state and been equally happy? You seem keen to emphasize the religious underpinning for some states in the Middle East but minimizing it for the Zionist project.

    Laugh.

    I am acknowledging that for most Jews, they are disinclined to hold to orthodox practices of OT or the Talmud. Hence the tensions between the various Orthodoxed Jews and the “cultural” Jews. Is the Talmud a guidebook or the law of the land. As someone who leans fundamentalist, I would appreciate the values of the “ascetic” lifestyle because their tend would be to observe a more literal view.

    The “cultiral Jew” would certainly observe a myriad facets of religious observances, but that would be akin to one’s conscience as to practice. According to one’s conscience would also be a western ideal. More Jews critique Judaism withe severe deconstructive post modern tools than anyone in Iran would ever engage openly.

    And I would and do contend that in making headway with Israel we are going make said headway via our common nexus of values both secular and those of faith and practice.

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    So you don't agree with the Zionists who assert God is the big real estate agent in the sky who gave them Palestine and thus it's OK for them to kick out its Muslim and Christian indigenous population.
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  133. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    [Jesse Ventura's] hardly a Ron Paul, (my choice for potus), but at least we’re not at war with Russia or Iran, and he’s definitely pissing off a lot of people who need pissing off.
     
    The Ventura phenomenon is interesting to me and I think the guy is great. Ron Paul still has me believing he's a good guy, but I don't see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we've had since at least 1913.

    I think Ventura made the correct decision to abandon a really stupid system and process and even move out of the country.

    Bottom line, it makes little difference who's in power, nothing will ever improve for the hoi polloi. The only remedy would be to dump the system and the boobs who profit, but there is no chance of that, and if it did happen, the parasites would regain control in an eyeblink.

    George Carlin said it well, except that he was a cuck on the "Semite" subject.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo-QIY7ys-k
     
    PS: Note to Carlin bashers.: Can it.

    Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.

    by voting his conscience and speaking the truth, I guess

    I’ve been very disappointed at his son time and again, but I still cling to hope that Rand will one day be a fraction of the man his father is. One thing great about Rand is that John McCain hates his guts, because Rand is always trying to avoid more wars.

    and even move out of the country.

    my destiny will eventually lead me off these shores as well.

    As Bobby Fisher said, ‘the United States is evil’, ‘utterly hypocritical and corrupt’.

    and he’s right. Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    I love many of the people here, and I love the memories of my childhood home, but what America has become, and is morphing into- is a nightmare. Straight out of the Satanic fetishes of a blood-stained fiend.

    How do you pay taxes to an institution that you know will use that money to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza

    ..or Fallujah or Yemen- where the Fiend is currently in a demon’s alliance with the Saudis to starve the people into submission to their banal domination.

    It messes with my temperament when everything I see and hear and read is all devil’s lies, 24/7.

    I wasn’t built like that.

    Perhaps that’s one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi’s articles so much, because they’re a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.

    It’s all sinister lies, all day long from the ((controlled)) media and academia and government. And so we all live in this matrix of deceit and moral corruption, and it must effect us all in myriad and unpredictable ways. So I know you’re right about Ventura, and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.

    There are a lot of really good people here. The overwhelming majority in fact, but that tiny handful of psychopaths behind the curtain have jaundiced the entire country. Its mood is now one of rancor and bile. Befitting the nature of the ((people)) who have raided its institutions and defiled its character.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    ps, I love George Carlin. An American luminary and legend.

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    Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.
     
    It seems incredible, but it's actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.
    , @Joe Levantine
    "Perhaps that’s one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi’s articles so much, because they’re a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity."
    Zionist Mendacity would have been busted a long time ago if their American audience is one that has the motivation or the interest in looking for facts with critical thinking. Alas, the media field in the US is an open front for competing lies where journalistic integrity counts for nothing, spare some brave souls like the late Robert Parry and Seymour Hersh. Yet, when I read your comments, I get some hope that the American conscience can one day resurrect. However, I doubt such a miracle would materialise before a total collapse that would fire the people's mind into action against their tormentors in the three branches of government and the deep state from behind them.
    "...and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy."
    Well, I have recently met a few American folks in my place of work who have taken the decision to leave and never return. They are trigger happy to feel free from the Zionist control and they have proven to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the American soul is a decent one provided it is set free from the crooked matrix of control that you very well describe.
    I truly admire the depth and decency of your thoughts for your comments can be the grain of an American revival that will grow and blossom to herald a truly golden dawn.
    , @jacques sheete

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.
     
    I agree with all. Every word of it.

    How anyone can look at the pic of the little girl and not feel ineffably disgusted with the perps is beyond me. And we have the Izzy first jackals and their scum votaries who are filthy enough to come here and brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I'm not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.
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  134. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I think you are missing the point of the exchange. We are not talking about individuals - but society. The US society has far more in common with Israelis than with Iranian society. That is not an interpersonal/interpersonal dynamic but one of a national consensus.

    While fundamentalists have substantial influence on shaping the US. The US is not a fundamentalist state. Iran is.

    Nothing like utterly missing the reality -- most of the US is fundamentalist, not even close. Again you confuse the impact of christian influence for the greater reality that american christian practice is varied. The comparisons you are attempting to make are superficial and when beneath the surface are composed of a small set of believers -- fundamentalists.

    And unlike christian fundamentalists -- would part company in heartbeat on the Qu'ran. Most of the Us is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews - including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless what that means or how it applies in real life.

    If I didn't know any better, I would be stunned.

    If I didn’t know any better, I would be stunned

    I think you mean you don’t know any better because you are stunted.

    Sure the US and Israel share the same values…because we don’t allow anyone into the US except Christians….just like Israel doesn’t accept any immigrants except Jews.

    rotflmao……you are soooo weird.

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  135. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    some clean up

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists. Dr. Giraldi has gone through considerable lengths to explain how this (affinity for Israel and her values) negatively impacts on US policy and yet his staunches supporters are clueless about what that means or how it applies in real life.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/203954/israel-maintains-positive-image.aspx

    One to consider US affinity or commonality with Jews is is by examining opinion polls and despite some dips. The US across the spectrum still identifies with Jewish sympathies. It's important that when discussing value those about religion are not the only ones and in the american polity, perhaps not even primary.

    Based on the rights and practices alone -- there is no question, US society has more in common with Israelis. More in common with Iran than Israel -- nonsense.

    And christian fundamentalists — would part company in heartbeat on the Qu’ran. Most of the US is going to acknowledge having more in common with Israelis / Jews – including fundamentalists.

    lol…when history is writ oh weird one, Christo zios and Israelis aren’t going to come off well.
    You’re grandchildren, if you have any, will be shamed and embarrassed by you.

    God told me to tell you to tell your fellow old testament brethren that He is not sending his spaceship to Israel to pick you up on doomsday.

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  136. RobinG says:
    @geokat62
    Here's what they're saying about some of the leaders:

    https://twitter.com/jgreenblattadl/status/968666739679678465?s=21

    Speaking of a blast from the past, I was delighted to see that our very own Nurit Baytch was still in the game:

    https://twitter.com/nuritbaytch/status/968631654175698944?s=21

    “Leaders” of what?

    Geo, I believe you’re conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.

    The whole point of the Mint Press article [above] is that the Pussy Warriors have shunned the anti-war activists. Hence, Cindy Sheehan’s decision to embark on the Pentagon action.

    #WomenRiseforPeaceTogether

    https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/womenriseforpeacetogether?source=feed_text

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    Geo, I believe you’re conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.
     
    Thanks for clarifying.

    Too many women’s marches, I guess. Why can’t we simply have marches where everyone’s invited?
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  137. wayfarer says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hi All,

    As Congress entertains allowing Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons, a must read (below) on the plan to increase ZUS donations to Israel for their "offensive" defense.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/27/us-lawmakers-seek-major-increases-to-38-billion-israeli-military-aid-package/

    Pathetic.

    “US Lawmakers Seek Major Increases to $38 Billion Israeli Military Aid Package”

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/27/us-lawmakers-seek-major-increases-to-38-billion-israeli-military-aid-package/

    U.S. National Debt (http://www.usdebtclock.org)

    Balance: –$20.7 trillion dollars.

    With America’s piggy bank empty, you wonder how these trust-fund children are still drawing on an account that has a negative balance?

    Probably a question for some trust-law legal experts in D.C.

    source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust_law

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  138. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hi All,

    As Congress entertains allowing Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons, a must read (below) on the plan to increase ZUS donations to Israel for their "offensive" defense.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/27/us-lawmakers-seek-major-increases-to-38-billion-israeli-military-aid-package/

    Pathetic.

    Disgusting…but not surprising. There is no bottom to their greed and no bottom to congressperps treason.
    If the jewish fifth column didn’t control the press and media we could put this on the front page and prime time and that would be the end of this parasite.

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    renfro said: "Disgusting."

    Hi renfro,

    Below Senator Markey (D. MA) is concerned about ZUS mulling over an arms nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia Royals whom 9/11 victim families are prohibited to file a "Responsible Party" lawsuit.

    Can not imagine horrors on ZUS "things-to-do-list" with the Islamic Republic of Iran!

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/02/28/553872/Senator-alarmed-as-US-mulls-Saudi-nuclear-deal

    P.S.; geokat, what is Senator Markey' s standing with the Jewish Lobbies?
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  139. @EliteCommInc.
    Oy . . .


    I am going to avoid my usual tolerance for dancing in the weeds.

    As previously acknowledged, fundamentalist christians in large numbers support Israel, not all but many. And unfortunately, in my view, some of that support is over the line. But if every single fundamentalist would disappear on the morrow, most US citizens would still claim they have more in common with Israel than Iran.

    Despite our religious spritual wrangling - the US by practice operates as a secular state as does Israel -
    Iran does not. Tolerances for the values expressed openly in the and Israel are serious impediments to common value alignment.

    Until the coup engineered by George Herbert Walker Bush and his fired CIA pals, Iranians were the largest group of foreign nationals in US universities, included its major universities.

    It was a fruitful and dynamic era in US academia.

    US defense industry as well as the US military and military academies collaborated beneficially with Iran and Iranians.

    The American people did not express reflexive hatred of Iran or Iranians; they were respected and welcome.

    As Jews have done for millennia, they exploited a vacuum: Jewish dominance of US universities is one more factor in the collateral damage brought about by perversion of CIA and America’s ‘deep state’.

    The death of Billy Graham brings to the forefront, momentarily, how American Christianis have been “stupidified” by media masters — Graham’s ‘gift’ aligned closely with Jewish gifts at media dominance and mass emotionalizatio-displacing-critical thinking– he made use of new modes of mass media and Elmer Gantry appeal to convince low-IQ Americans that the core belief of Christianity is “Christians are sinners.”

    That works nicely for Jews, who disdain that belief, as, I’m pleased to see, do Muslims — see #123, (h/t Dan Herman) http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/blundering-into-iran/#comment-2223695

    Islam doesn’t believe in fallen angels or fallen man. In fact, in Islam man is better creation than angel and still is. Period.

    All your argument amounts to, elitecommie, is that Jews have been successful in full-sectrum dominance of propaganda/mass media.

    That was not always the case, as the experience of Iranians in US universities demonstrates, and it can change again on the same thin dime as was the case in 1979.

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    While universities are but a small part of US society, I think your example reflects the principle of tolerance for differences of faith and values that would not be acceptable in Iran. I would further acknowledge that in the educational environments among Jews and US citizens would be more tolerant of said differences than would or could exist in Iran. The number of Iranians in the US is reflective of US values, not Iran.

    Your subsequent observations are not evidence of shared values, but rather a change of topic. In the past I have been quite tolerant of the inclusion of various ideas/arguments sometimes in contradiction to each other, leaving me to filter out the issues. I am not inclined to do so, at the moment.


    If you want to have a discussion outside of a comparison of values between the societies of the US, Iran and Israel fine. If you care to address the political implications of what those shared values are -- that is fine. But that is a different issue than whether the US society identifies more with Israel or Iran.
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  140. @EliteCommInc.
    Laugh.


    I am acknowledging that for most Jews, they are disinclined to hold to orthodox practices of OT or the Talmud. Hence the tensions between the various Orthodoxed Jews and the "cultural" Jews. Is the Talmud a guidebook or the law of the land. As someone who leans fundamentalist, I would appreciate the values of the "ascetic" lifestyle because their tend would be to observe a more literal view.

    The "cultiral Jew" would certainly observe a myriad facets of religious observances, but that would be akin to one's conscience as to practice. According to one's conscience would also be a western ideal. More Jews critique Judaism withe severe deconstructive post modern tools than anyone in Iran would ever engage openly.

    And I would and do contend that in making headway with Israel we are going make said headway via our common nexus of values both secular and those of faith and practice.

    So you don’t agree with the Zionists who assert God is the big real estate agent in the sky who gave them Palestine and thus it’s OK for them to kick out its Muslim and Christian indigenous population.

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    Beyond the established borders Israel ought to pay for the use of the land, by it out right or depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.


    Because i am an advocate for sovereignty, I am going to tread lightly on issues regarding how Israel manages it's internal affairs, short of killing people. I suspect this is how Israel dances around the issue of setting in place a constitution obligating her to standards and practices of democratic expectation.

    But I would challenge her occupation of Palestine, much more her behavior in the same.
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  141. Before proceeding to a new a issue. I want to make sure that this is in fact a new issue.

    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God’s assert or by allowance. Now the question of Israel is not as to the sacred, but how that occurs.

    I think Israel is bound by the rules that govern international states, regardless whether said state existence is asserted by God or by allowance. Established by God does not relieve Israel of any of the burdens that govern the international communities. And when she violates those she should held to account.

    That one believes the land they occupy is bequeathed by God or man does not remove moral and legal accountability.

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    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God’s assert or by allowance.
     
    blah, blah..

    idiocy on the earth exists by either God's assert or by allowance

    how about this..

    Israel OBVIOUSLY did 9/11

    they even had their Mossad agents filming the fist plane crashing into the tower and then dancing around celebrating and high-fiving each other as the Americans were slaughtered in the flames and carnage.

    Either Israel send us every single war criminal responsible- or by God's assert or by allowance, Israel must be crushed under a three thousand megatons of karmic justice, by God's assert and by allowance

    does that work for you?
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  142. @Joe Hide
    Mr. Geraldo,
    Basically correct on your part.
    Iran is an easy fix. Just let the Iranian people change their country. You think many of the churches in the U.S. have more empty pews, you should visit Iran
    Most of the mosques there are struggling. The average Iranian is sick of their rulers, but feel a need for a cohesive military front against imperialistic western control freaks. The solution for Iran, in relationship to the West's needs, is to support our opposition to the West's degenerate, control freak, murderous deep state that seeks conflict. That's why so many of us support Trump. As to those that argue that Trump is a war monger or is the tool of war mongers, get a life. Get off the laptop for a while. Do a wider search for Truth. Get your head out if the media box. Good Luck!

    Mr. Geraldo,

    Mr. Hiney, who is this person you are addressing to? Do you mean this clown from FOX News? He doesn’t publish anything at UNZ–wrong place you chose to address him.

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  143. @annamaria
    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.
    Summary of consequences of a nuclear war: http://www.nucleardarkness.org/warconsequences/
    "-2600 U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear weapons on high-alert are launched (in 2 to 3 minutes) at targets in the U.S., Europe and Russia (and perhaps at other targets which are considered to have strategic value).
    -Some fraction of the remaining 7600 deployed and operational U.S. and Russian strategic nuclear warheads/weapons are also launched and detonated in retaliation for the initial attacks.
    -Hundreds of large cities in the U.S., Europe and Russia are engulfed in massive firestorms which burn urban areas of tens or hundreds of thousands of square miles/kilometers.
    -150 million tons of smoke from nuclear fires rises above cloud level, into the stratosphere, where it quickly spreads around the world and forms a dense stratospheric cloud layer. The smoke will remain there for many years to block and absorb sunlight.
    -The smoke blocks up to 70% of the sunlight from reaching the Earth's surface in the Northern Hemisphere, and up to 35% of the sunlight is also blocked in the Southern Hemisphere.
    -In the absence of warming sunlight, surface temperatures on Earth become as cold or colder than they were 18,000 years ago at the height of the last Ice Age
    -There would be rapid cooling of more than 20°C over large areas of North America and of more than 30°C over much of Eurasia, including all agricultural regions
    -150 million tons of smoke in the stratosphere would cause minimum daily temperatures in the largest agricultural regions of the Northern Hemisphere to drop below freezing for 1 to 3 years. Nightly killing frosts would occur and prevent food from being grown.
    -Average global precipitation would be reduced by 45% due to the prolonged cold.
    -Growing seasons would be virtually eliminated for many years.
    -Massive destruction of the protective ozone layer would also occur, allowing intense levels of dangerous UV light to penetrate the atmosphere and reach the surface of the Earth.
    -Massive amounts of radioactive fallout would be generated and spread both locally and globally. The targeting of nuclear reactors would significantly increase fallout of long-lived isotopes.
    -Gigantic ground-hugging clouds of toxic smoke would be released from the fires; enormous quantities of industrial chemicals would also enter the environment.
    -It would be impossible for many living things to survive the extreme rapidity and degree of changes in temperature and precipitation, combined with drastic increases in UV light, massive radioactive fallout, and massive releases of toxins and industrial chemicals.
    -Already stressed land and marine ecosystems would collapse.
    -Unable to grow food, most humans would starve to death.
    -A mass extinction event would occur, similar to what happened 65 million years ago, when the dinosaurs were wiped out following a large asteroid impact with Earth (70% of species became extinct, including all animals greater than 25 kilograms in weight).
    -Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment."

    This is our only hope for the deterrent (works when the psychopathic deciders have some degree of attachment to their progeny only): "Even humans living in shelters equipped with many years worth of food, water, energy, and medical supplies would probably not survive in the hostile post-war environment."

    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.

    Sadly those insane have a lot of cheering from media, which are overwhelmingly populated with ignoramuses. I know there are many decent folks and true professionals left in the US and we may not see the whole picture of a struggle which is currently happening behind the curtain but there is also no denial of almost precipitous decline of American expertise and intellect which happened since 1999. In historic terms it is an instant but the effect is astonishing, in fact it is avalanche and the scope of such decline is stupefying–virtually every aspect of American life and American State is affected. For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.

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    For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.
     
    Even I can see it and it is astonishing and, like you say, unmistakable and precipitous.

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we've made of ourselves and how we've extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.
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  144. tac says:

    OT …. As many of you are aware of the ruse used by the German authorities to untilmately lock up Monika Shaefer, a similar plot is in the works for her brother Alfred Shaefer:

    https://wearswar.wordpress.com/2018/02/28/alfred-schaefer-ordered-for-interrogation-for-a-speech-about-his-fathers-escape-from-eisenhowers-german-pow-extermination-camps/

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  145. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I am going skip my usual indulgence of straying into territory that is but tangentially related to the central issue. That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran.

    Directly related to that question is a very simple correlation.

    The US embodies a "liberal" expression of values. Not unlike most of Europe, even Russia (despite the wrangling) Israel in spite of beliefs and small fundamentalist community shes a similar understanding based on the simple reality that they are predominantly European Jews.

    That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran

    You are hopelessly fucked up oh weird one. In the American heart there is one thing that still stands as representative of our best value….Fairness.

    There is only one polling entity that is recognized world wide as the most reliable and non partisan, the WPOP, run by the Kennedy Center and the Sadat Chair at the University of Maryland, and conducted in cooperation with the University’s Program for Public Consultation. Here it is and its not a silly paid for by someone Pew type dialing area codes poll…so pay attention. And prepare yourself for part two in which ….. No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

    What Americans Evangelicals think about Israel and the Middle East

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/what-americans-especially-evangelicals-think-about-israel-and-the-middle-east/

    A new poll shows that in dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict overall, an overwhelming 77% of Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward Israel as compared to 29% to Americans overall and 36% of non-Evangelical Republicans.
    In contrast 66% of all Americans and 60% of Non-Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward neither side.
    This pattern holds on other aspects of US policy toward the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. If the UN Security Council considers endorsing the establishment of a Palestinian state, only 26% of all Americans and 38% of non-Evangelical Republicans favor the US voting against it. However six in ten Evangelical Republicans say that the US should vote against it, thus vetoing the move. Evangelical Republicans also differ in that they pay far more attention to a candidate’s position on Israel. When considering which candidate to vote for in Congress or for president just 26% of all Americans and 33% of non-Evangelical Republicans say they consider the candidates position on Israel a lot. Among Evangelical Republicans 64% say they consider it a lot
    Evangelical Republicans represent 23% of all Republicans and 10% of the general population
    Overall, twice as many Americans say the Israeli government has too much influence (37%) than say too little influence (18%),
    Concerns about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are driven more by considerations related to human right and international law than US interests. Offered five options to explain their concern, the largest number — 47%– say human rights or international law, while 32% say America’s interest. Thirteen percent say cite religious beliefs, while 8% express concern for Israel’s interests. Overall, 37% of Americans (and 49% of Democrats) recommend punitive measures against Israel over its settlement policy (27% recommend economic sanctions, and 10% recommend taking more serious action); 31% recommend that the U.S. limits its opposition to words, 27% recommend that the U.S. do nothing.

    Now, here is their poll nation wide for the US and world wide for Israel.

    International Poll: Most Publics–including Americans–Oppose Taking Sides in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/international-poll-most-publics-including-americans-oppose-taking-sides-in-israeli-palestinian-conflict/

    Country-by-Country Summaries (PDF)
    Questionnaire/methodology (PDF)
    Press Release (PDF)
    Full PDF Version

    [MORE]

    A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India). No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

    Publics around the world are not cheering for either side and want their governments to take an even-handed approach,” said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org. “All of the key actors are seen as failing to do their part to break the impasse and most want the UN Security Council to step in and offer peacekeeping forces and even security guarantees to help resolve the conflict.”
    The poll of 18,792 respondents was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-2 to 4 percent.

    Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel’s side.
    In eight of the countries this was a large majority–seven in 10 or more–including Mexicans (88%), South Koreans (82%), Britons (79%), the French (79%), Peruvians (76%), the Chinese (74%), Americans (71%), and Ukrainians (69%).
    Only in a few predominantly Muslim countries do most favor taking the side of the Palestinians. Robust majorities take this position in Egypt (86%) and Iran (63%), as does a modest plurality in Turkey (42% Palestinians’ side, 38% neither side). However two other predominantly Muslim countries primarily favor taking neither side–Azerbaijan (54%) and Indonesia (43%).
    In no country does a majority favor taking Israel’s side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel’s side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians (15%).
    Overall, there is strong support for the United Nations playing a robust role in the effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Very large numbers favor the United Nations contributing a peacekeeping force to enforce a peace agreement and substantial numbers favor the UN Security Council offering to provide security guarantees to Israel and the Arab countries.
    Enforcement of Peace Agreement
    In 16 of 17 countries polled, majorities or pluralities favor the UN Security Council offering–if Israel and the Palestinians come to a peace agreement–to send a peacekeeping force to enforce the agreement. On average, 67 percent favor such an approach, while just 20 percent oppose the idea.
    Among all of the permanent members of the UN Security Council publics are supportive. In four countries this is by a robust majority–China (81%), France (74%), Great Britain (67%), and the United States (61%). Only in Russia is support limited to a plurality (47%), though few are opposed (25%).
    Palestinians are strongly in favor of such an idea (63%), as are those in other predominantly Muslim countries–Turkey (65%), and Egypt (64%).

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    Oy veh.

    The question is not a singular issue. But with what country do US citizens identify with. I made comparisons to several attitudes and practices that overwhelming indicate that US society identifies more with Israel. As to your choice pinned to fairness. I would think this would be an area one would avoid. Because in the arena of existentialist identity Israel and the US are bonded at the hip.

    Zionism by any other name "Manifest Destiny" are robust principles and practices of both countries. In fact, if I were an Israeli, I would point to the use of the Monroe Doctrine as the model for modern day Israel -- including all of the unfairness of its application.


    I would think that Iran would make use of those similarities as cause for rejecting US values - particularly on the duplicitous practice of treating all men as equal under the law, even exclusively US law and ethos. And note that like the Israeli Arab population, the US has engaged a mountain of unfair practices against members of their own society -- i.e. The removal of the Cherokee people who adopted all manner of US custom, law, and practice down to the dress codes.


    Just because US citizens don't approve of certain Israeli action does not mean they don't identify more with the values of Israel than the US. And I think hinging the case on fairness undermines your entire point. Even Iranians would look at the idea with crossed eyes.
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  146. Funny how “the chosen people” need American blood and welfare to stay afloat eh?
    “The chosen people” that require automatic rifles and fighter aircraft to win a fight against people armed with rocks.
    “The chosen people” who have to lie, cheat, steal, and murder to get ahead in life…
    Sounds like one hell of a curse to me.

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  147. @SolontoCroesus
    Until the coup engineered by George Herbert Walker Bush and his fired CIA pals, Iranians were the largest group of foreign nationals in US universities, included its major universities.

    It was a fruitful and dynamic era in US academia.

    US defense industry as well as the US military and military academies collaborated beneficially with Iran and Iranians.

    The American people did not express reflexive hatred of Iran or Iranians; they were respected and welcome.

    As Jews have done for millennia, they exploited a vacuum: Jewish dominance of US universities is one more factor in the collateral damage brought about by perversion of CIA and America's 'deep state'.

    The death of Billy Graham brings to the forefront, momentarily, how American Christianis have been "stupidified" by media masters -- Graham's 'gift' aligned closely with Jewish gifts at media dominance and mass emotionalizatio-displacing-critical thinking-- he made use of new modes of mass media and Elmer Gantry appeal to convince low-IQ Americans that the core belief of Christianity is "Christians are sinners."

    That works nicely for Jews, who disdain that belief, as, I'm pleased to see, do Muslims -- see #123, (h/t Dan Herman) http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/blundering-into-iran/#comment-2223695


    Islam doesn’t believe in fallen angels or fallen man. In fact, in Islam man is better creation than angel and still is. Period.
     
    All your argument amounts to, elitecommie, is that Jews have been successful in full-sectrum dominance of propaganda/mass media.

    That was not always the case, as the experience of Iranians in US universities demonstrates, and it can change again on the same thin dime as was the case in 1979.

    While universities are but a small part of US society, I think your example reflects the principle of tolerance for differences of faith and values that would not be acceptable in Iran. I would further acknowledge that in the educational environments among Jews and US citizens would be more tolerant of said differences than would or could exist in Iran. The number of Iranians in the US is reflective of US values, not Iran.

    Your subsequent observations are not evidence of shared values, but rather a change of topic. In the past I have been quite tolerant of the inclusion of various ideas/arguments sometimes in contradiction to each other, leaving me to filter out the issues. I am not inclined to do so, at the moment.

    If you want to have a discussion outside of a comparison of values between the societies of the US, Iran and Israel fine. If you care to address the political implications of what those shared values are — that is fine. But that is a different issue than whether the US society identifies more with Israel or Iran.

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  148. @renfro
    Disgusting...but not surprising. There is no bottom to their greed and no bottom to congressperps treason.
    If the jewish fifth column didn't control the press and media we could put this on the front page and prime time and that would be the end of this parasite.

    renfro said: “Disgusting.”

    Hi renfro,

    Below Senator Markey (D. MA) is concerned about ZUS mulling over an arms nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia Royals whom 9/11 victim families are prohibited to file a “Responsible Party” lawsuit.

    Can not imagine horrors on ZUS “things-to-do-list” with the Islamic Republic of Iran!

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/02/28/553872/Senator-alarmed-as-US-mulls-Saudi-nuclear-deal

    P.S.; geokat, what is Senator Markey’ s standing with the Jewish Lobbies?

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    Beholden to AIPAC’

    ''Yesterday the Israel lobby group AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, flexed its muscle against President Obama and on the side of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu by posting a letter signed by 88 senators warning President Obama not to back any international measures that would pressure Israel to withdraw from occupied territories:

    ''We urge you to… make it clear that you will veto any one sided UNSC [UN Security Council] resolution that may be offered in the coming months

    The letter was circulated by NY Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and got many progressive signatures: Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Amy Klobuchar, Ron Wyden, Tammy Baldwin, Chris Murphy, Barbara Mikulski, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Jack Reed, right along with John McCain, Mike Lee, Lindsey Graham and John Barrasso.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/09/beholden-progressive-senators/
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  149. geokat62 says:
    @RobinG
    "Leaders" of what?

    Geo, I believe you're conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.

    The whole point of the Mint Press article [above] is that the Pussy Warriors have shunned the anti-war activists. Hence, Cindy Sheehan's decision to embark on the Pentagon action.

    #WomenRiseforPeaceTogether

    https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/womenriseforpeacetogether?source=feed_text

    Geo, I believe you’re conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.

    Thanks for clarifying.

    Too many women’s marches, I guess. Why can’t we simply have marches where everyone’s invited?

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    WOMEN'S MARCH on the PENTAGON

    Everyone is invited, as I already said. The point [that I believe Cindy Sheehan wants to make] is that the Pussy Warriors have EXCLUDED anti-war messages from their programs. Therefore, the counter messaging - - that there ARE women against war. Also, the title will catch the eye of the [already energized] women activists - - those who do not share their leaders' anti-peace strategy.

    BTW, there were [welcomed] women at the original Million Man March. The point of that march was to mobilize the largely silent majority of Black men.
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  150. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Before proceeding to a new a issue. I want to make sure that this is in fact a new issue.


    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God's assert or by allowance. Now the question of Israel is not as to the sacred, but how that occurs.

    I think Israel is bound by the rules that govern international states, regardless whether said state existence is asserted by God or by allowance. Established by God does not relieve Israel of any of the burdens that govern the international communities. And when she violates those she should held to account.

    That one believes the land they occupy is bequeathed by God or man does not remove moral and legal accountability.

    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God’s assert or by allowance.

    blah, blah..

    idiocy on the earth exists by either God’s assert or by allowance

    how about this..

    Israel OBVIOUSLY did 9/11

    they even had their Mossad agents filming the fist plane crashing into the tower and then dancing around celebrating and high-fiving each other as the Americans were slaughtered in the flames and carnage.

    Either Israel send us every single war criminal responsible- or by God’s assert or by allowance, Israel must be crushed under a three thousand megatons of karmic justice, by God’s assert and by allowance

    does that work for you?

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    As previously observed, the case of 9/11 and who is responsible remains open. There are attorneys more than willing to accept any evidence against responsible parties, in their lawsuits

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP. I have no issues holding anyone responsible to account.
    , @tac
    Not to mention the overwhelming evidence of having their "art students" infiltrate US officials in some instances in their own homes, and agencies in some instances where the said locations had no street addresses and no street signs.

    "In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials..."

    Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups.
    ...

    So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane's Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: "It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks -- the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA."

    ...

    The extreme sensitivity of the Israeli art student story in government circles was made clear to this reporter when, in the midst of my inquiries at DEA and elsewhere, I was told by a source that some unknown party had checked my records and background. He proved it by mentioning a job I had briefly held many years ago that virtually no one outside my family knew about. Shortly after this, I received a call from an individual who identified himself only by the code name Stability.

    ... "The problem is that you're going into a hornet's nest with this. It's a very difficult time in this particular area. This is a scenario where a lot of people are living a bunker mentality." He added, "There are a lot of people under a lot of pressure right now because there's a great effort to discredit the story, discredit the connections, prevent people from going any further [in investigating the matter]. There are some very, very smart people who have taken a lot of heat on this -- have gone to what I would consider extraordinary risks to reach out. Quite frankly, there are a lot of patriots out there who'd like to remain alive. Typically, patriots are dead."

    ...

    "I will tell you that there is still great debate over what [the art students] specific purposes were and are," Stability went on. "When you take an individual who picks up a group of individuals from an airport, individuals who supposedly have no idea what they're doing in-country, who fly on over from a foreign land, whose airline tickets could in some instances total a value greater than $15,000 -- and who get picked up at the airport and drive specifically to one individual's home, which they know the exact directions to: Yeah, you could say there's a problem here. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that. The overarching item is that a lot of work went into going to people's houses to sell them junk from China in plastic frames."...
     
    https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

    https://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

    https://www.antiwar.com/justin/j100402.html

    https://www.wrmea.org/2000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught-spying-in-washington-again.html
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  151. @JoaoAlfaiate
    So you don't agree with the Zionists who assert God is the big real estate agent in the sky who gave them Palestine and thus it's OK for them to kick out its Muslim and Christian indigenous population.

    Beyond the established borders Israel ought to pay for the use of the land, by it out right or depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.

    Because i am an advocate for sovereignty, I am going to tread lightly on issues regarding how Israel manages it’s internal affairs, short of killing people. I suspect this is how Israel dances around the issue of setting in place a constitution obligating her to standards and practices of democratic expectation.

    But I would challenge her occupation of Palestine, much more her behavior in the same.

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    this is how Israel dances around

     

    ♪♫ ve just slaughtered three thousand goyim ♪ ♬

    https://media.tenor.com/images/1300d8d706e5a4cb6a7ad1e6e7d90191/tenor.gif

    ♪♫ 'now they vill have to go and kill ze Arabs ♪♫
    , @RobinG
    ALL of PALESTINE is Occupied.

    The occupier is the illegitimate bastard spawn of genocidal terrorists, gang-bangers of the UN whore. Israel's "Jewish state" days are numbered. 2021.
    , @renfro

    depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.
     
    Dear weird one the US does not set boundaries for Israel. The UN did that and the fact that it has not adhered to those boundaries is why it has 259 UN resolutions against it. It would take me an hour to count all the violations to Res 181 by Israel.

    UN Resolution 181
    Partition of Palestine

    PART II

    Boundaries 5/

    A. THE ARAB STATE

    The area of the Arab State in Western Galilee is bounded on the west by the Mediterranean and on the north by the frontier of the Lebanon from Ras en Naqura to a point north of Saliha. From there the boundary proceeds southwards, leaving the built-up area of Saliha in the Arab State, to join the southernmost point of this village. Thence it follows the western boundary line of the villages of `Alma, Rihaniya and Teitaba, thence following the northern boundary line of Meirun village to join the Acre-Safad sub-district boundary line. It follows this line to a point west of Es Sammu'i village and joins it again at the northernmost point of Farradiya. Thence it follows the sub-district boundary line to the Acre-Safad main road. From here it follows the western boundary of Kafr I'nan village until it reaches the Tiberias-Acre sub-district boundary line, passing to the west of the junction of the Acre-Safad and Lubiya-Kafr I'nan roads. From south-west corner of Kafr I'nan village the boundary line follows the western boundary of the Tiberias sub-district to a point close to the boundary line between the villages of Maghar and Eilabun, thence bulging out to the west to include as much of the eastern part of the plain of Battuf as is necessary for the reservoir proposed by the Jewish Agency for the irrigation of lands to the south and east.

    The boundary rejoins the Tiberias sub-district boundary at a point on the Nazareth-Tiberias road south-east of the built-up area of Tur'an; thence it runs southwards, at first following the sub-district boundary and then passing between the Kadoorie Agricultural School and Mount Tabor, to a point due south at the base of Mount Tabor. From here it runs due west, parallel to the horizontal grid line 230, to the north-east corner of the village lands of Tel Adashim. It then runs to the north-west corner of these lands, whence it turns south and west so as to include in the Arab State the sources of the Nazareth water supply in Yafa village. On reaching Ginneiger it follows the eastern, northern and western boundaries of the lands of this village to their south-west corner, whence it proceeds in a straight line to a point on the Haifa-Afula railway on the boundary between the villages of Sarid and El Mujeidil. This is the point of intersection.

    The south-western boundary of the area of the Arab State in Galilee takes a line from this point, passing northwards along the eastern boundaries of Sarid and Gevat to the north-eastern corner of Nahalal, proceeding thence across the land of Kefar ha Horesh to a central point on the southern boundary of the village of `Ilut, thence westwards along that village boundary to the eastern boundary of Beit Lahm, thence northwards and north-eastwards along its western boundary to the north-eastern corner of Waldheim and thence north-westwards across the village lands of Shafa 'Amr to the south-eastern corner of Ramat Yohanan'. From here it runs due north-north-east to a point on the Shafa 'Amr-Haifa road, west of its junction with the road to I'Billin. From there it proceeds north-east to a point on the southern boundary of I'Billin situated to the west of the I'Billin-Birwa road. Thence along that boundary to its westernmost point, whence it turns to the north, follows across the village land of Tamra to the north-westernmost corner and along the western boundary of Julis until it reaches the Acre-Safad road. It then runs westwards along the southern side of the Safad-Acre road to the Galilee-Haifa District boundary, from which point it follows that boundary to the sea.

    The boundary of the hill country of Samaria and Judea starts on the Jordan River at the Wadi Malih south-east of Beisan and runs due west to meet the Beisan-Jericho road and then follows the western side of that road in a north-westerly direction to the junction of the boundaries of the sub-districts of Beisan, Nablus, and Jenin. From that point it follows the Nablus-Jenin sub-district boundary westwards for a distance of about three kilometres and then turns north-westwards, passing to the east of the built-up areas of the villages of Jalbun and Faqqu'a, to the boundary of the sub-districts of Jenin and Beisan at a point north-east of Nuris. Thence it proceeds first north-westwards to a point due north of the built-up area of Zir'in and then westwards to the Afula-Jenin railway, thence north-westwards along the district boundary line to the point of intersection on the Hejaz railway. From here the boundary runs south-westwards, including the built-up area and some of the land of the village of Kh.Lid in the Arab State to cross the Haifa-Jenin road at a point on the district boundary between Haifa and Samaria west of El Mansi. It follows this boundary to the southernmost point of the village of El Buteimat. From here it follows the northern and eastern boundaries of the village of Ar'ara, rejoining the Haifa-Samaria district boundary at Wadi'Ara, and thence proceeding south-south-westwards in an approximately straight line joining up with the western boundary of Qaqun to a point east of the railway line on the eastern boundary of Qaqun village. From here it runs along the railway line some distance to the east of it to a point just east of the Tulkarm railway station. Thence the boundary follows a line half-way between the railway and the Tulkarm-Qalqiliya-Jaljuliya and Ras el Ein road to a point just east of Ras el Ein station, whence it proceeds along the railway some distance to the east of it to the point on the railway line south of the junction of the Haifa-Lydda and Beit Nabala lines, whence it proceeds along the southern border of Lydda airport to its south-west corner, thence in a south-westerly direction to a point just west of the built-up area of Sarafand el'Amar, whence it turns south, passing just to the west of the built-up area of Abu el Fadil to the north-east corner of the lands of Beer Ya'Aqov. (The boundary line should be so demarcated as to allow direct access from the Arab State to the airport.) Thence the boundary line follows the western and southern boundaries of Ramle village, to the north-east corner of El Na'ana village, thence in a straight line to the southernmost point of El Barriya, along the eastern boundary of that village and the southern boundary of 'Innaba village. Thence it turns north to follow the southern side of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road until El Qubab, whence it follows the road to the boundary of Abu Shusha. It runs along the eastern boundaries of Abu Shusha, Seidun, Hulda to the southernmost point of Hulda, thence westwards in a straight line to the north-eastern corner of Umm Kalkha, thence following the northern boundaries of Umm Kalkha, Qazaza and the northern and western boundaries of Mukhezin to the Gaza District boundary and thence runs across the village lands of El Mismiya, El Kabira, and Yasur to the southern point of intersection, which is midway between the built-up areas of Yasur and Batani Sharqi.

    From the southern point of intersection the boundary lines run north-westwards between the villages of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the sea at a point half way between Nabi Yunis and Minat el Qila, and south-eastwards to a point west of Qastina, whence it turns in a south-westerly direction, passing to the east of the built-up areas of Es Sawafir, Es Sharqiya and Ibdis. From the south-east corner of Ibdis village it runs to a point south-west of the built-up area of Beit 'Affa, crossing the Hebron-El Majdal road just to the west of the built-up area of Iraq Suweidan. Thence it proceeds southwards along the western village boundary of El Faluja to the Beersheba sub-district boundary. It then runs across the tribal lands of 'Arab el Jubarat to a point on the boundary between the sub-districts of Beersheba and Hebron north of Kh. Khuweilifa, whence it proceeds in a south-westerly direction to a point on the Beersheba-Gaza main road two kilometres to the north-west of the town. It then turns south-eastwards to reach Wadi Sab' at a point situated one kilometre to the west of it. From here it turns north-eastwards and proceeds along Wadi Sab' and along the Beersheba-Hebron road for a distance of one kilometre, whence it turns eastwards and runs in a straight line to Kh. Kuseifa to join the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary. It then follows the Beersheba-Hebron boundary eastwards to a point north of Ras Ez Zuweira, only departing from it so as to cut across the base of the indentation between vertical grid lines 150 and 160.

    About five kilometres north-east of Ras ez Zuweira it turns north, excluding from the Arab State a strip along the coast of the Dead Sea not more than seven kilometres in depth, as far as Ein Geddi, whence it turns due east to join the Transjordan frontier in the Dead Sea.

    The northern boundary of the Arab section of the coastal plain runs from a point between Minat el Qila and Nabi Yunis, passing between the built-up areas of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the point of intersection. From here it turns south-westwards, running across the lands of Batani Sharqi, along the eastern boundary of the lands of Beit Daras and across the lands of Julis, leaving the built-up areas of Batani Sharqi and Julis to the westwards, as far as the north-west corner of the lands of Beit Tima. Thence it runs east of El Jiya across the village lands of El Barbara along the eastern boundaries of the villages of Beit Jirja, Deir Suneid and Dimra. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Beit Hanun the line runs south-west to a point south of the parallel grid line 100, then turns north-west for two kilometres, turning again in a south-westerly direction and continuing in an almost straight line to the north-west corner of the village lands of Kirbet Ikhza'a. From there it follows the boundary line of this village to its southernmost point. It then runs in a southernly direction along the vertical grid line 90 to its junction with the horizontal grid line 70. It then turns south-eastwards to Kh. el Ruheiba and then proceeds in a southerly direction to a point known as El Baha, beyond which it crosses the Beersheba-El 'Auja main road to the west of Kh. el Mushrifa. From there it joins Wadi El Zaiyatin just to the west of El Subeita. From there it turns to the north-east and then to the south-east following this Wadi and passes to the east of 'Abda to join Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh, Wadi Ajrim and Wadi Lassan to the point where Wadi Lassan crosses the Egyptian frontier.

    The area of the Arab enclave of Jaffa consists of that part of the town-planning area of Jaffa which lies to the west of the Jewish quarters lying south of Tel-Aviv, to the west of the continuation of Herzl street up to its junction with the Jaffa-Jerusalem road, to the south-west of the section of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road lying south-east of that junction, to the west of Miqve Israel lands, to the north-west of Holon local council area, to the north of the line linking up the north-west corner of Holon with the north-east corner of Bat Yam local council area and to the north of Bat Yam local council area. The question of Karton quarter will be decided by the Boundary Commission, bearing in mind among other considerations the desirability of including the smallest possible number of its Arab inhabitants and the largest possible number of its Jewish inhabitants in the Jewish State.


    B. THE JEWISH STATE

    The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.


    C. THE CITY OF JERUSALEM

    The boundaries of the City of Jerusalem are as defined in the recommendations on the City of Jerusalem. (See Part III, Section B, below).

    PART III

    City of Jerusalem


    A. SPECIAL REGIME


    The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations.


    B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY

    The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map (annex B).


    C. STATUTE OF THE CITY

    The Trusteeship Council shall, within five months of the approval of the present plan, elaborate and approve a detailed Statute of the City which shall contain inter alia the substance of the following provisions:

    1. Government machinery; special objectives. The Administering Authority in discharging its administrative obligations shall pursue the following special objectives:

    (a) To protect and to preserve the unique spiritual and religious interests located in the city of the three great monotheistic faiths throughout the world, Christian, Jewish and Moslem; to this end to ensure that order and peace, and especially religious peace, reign in Jerusalem;

    (b) To foster co-operation among all the inhabitants of the city in their own interests as well as in order to encourage and support the peaceful development of the mutual relations between the two Palestinian peoples throughout the Holy Land; to promote the security, well-being and any constructive measures of development of the residents, having regard to the special circumstances and customs of the various peoples and communities.

    2. Governor and administrative staff. A Governor of the City of Jerusalem shall be appointed by the Trusteeship Council and shall be responsible to it. He shall be selected on the basis of special qualifications and without regard to nationality. He shall not, however, be a citizen of either State in Palestine.

    The Governor shall represent the United Nations in the City and shall exercise on their behalf all powers of administration, including the conduct of external affairs. He shall be assisted by an administrative staff classed as international officers in the meaning of Article 100 of the Charter and chosen whenever practicable from the residents of the city and of the rest of Palestine on a non-discriminatory basis. A detailed plan for the organization of the administration of the city shall be submitted by the Governor to the Trusteeship Council and duly approved by it.

    3. Local autonomy. (a) The existing local autonomous units in the territory of the city (villages, townships and municipalities) shall enjoy wide powers of local government and administration.

    (b) The Governor shall study and submit for the consideration and decision of the Trusteeship Council a plan for the establishment of a special town units consisting respectively, of the Jewish and Arab sections of new Jerusalem. The new town units shall continue to form part of the present municipality of Jerusalem.

    4. Security measures. (a) The City of Jerusalem shall be demilitarized; its neutrality shall be declared and preserved, and no para-military formations, exercises or activities shall be permitted within its borders.

    (b) Should the administration of the City of Jerusalem be seriously obstructed or prevented by the non-co-operation or interference of one or more sections of the population, the Governor shall have authority to take such measures as may be necessary to restore the effective functioning of the administration.

    (c) To assist in the maintenance of internal law and order and especially for the protection of the Holy Places and religious buildings and sites in the city, the Governor shall organize a special police force of adequate strength, the members of which shall be recruited outside of Palestine. The Governor shall be empowered to direct such budgetary provision as may be necessary for the maintenance of this force.

    5. Legislative organization. A Legislative Council, elected by adult residents of the city irrespective of nationality on the basis of universal and secret suffrage and proportional representation, shall have powers of legislation and taxation. No legislative measures shall, however, conflict or interfere with the provisions which will be set forth in the Statute of the City, nor shall any law, regulation, or official action prevail over them. The Statute shall grant to the Governor a right of vetoing bills inconsistent with the provisions referred to in the preceding sentence. It shall also empower him to promulgate temporary ordinances in case the council fails to adopt in time a bill deemed essential to the normal functioning of the administration.

    6. Administration of justice. The Statute shall provide for the establishment of an independent judiciary system, including a court of appeal. All the inhabitants of the City shall be subject to it.

    7. Economic union and economic regime. The City of Jerusalem shall be included in the Economic Union of Palestine and be bound by all stipulations of the undertaking and of any treaties issued therefrom, as well as by the decision of the Joint Economic Board. The headquarters of the Economic Board shall be established in the territory of the City.

    The Statute shall provide for the regulation of economic matters not falling within the regime of the Economic Union, on the basis of equal treatment and non-discrimination for all members of the United Nations and their nationals.

    8. Freedom of transit and visit; control of residents. Subject to considerations of security, and of economic welfare as determined by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council, freedom of entry into, and residence within, the borders of the City shall be guaranteed for the residents or citizens of the Arab and Jewish States. Immigration into, and residence within, the borders of the city for nationals of other States shall be controlled by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council.

    9. Relations with the Arab and Jewish States. Representatives of the Arab and Jewish States shall be accredited to the Governor of the City and charged with the protection of the interests of their States and nationals in connexion with the international administration of the City.

    10. Official languages. Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of the city. This will not preclude the adoption of one or more additional working languages, as may be required.

    11. Citizenship. All the residents shall become ipso facto citizens of the City of Jerusalem unless they opt for citizenship of the State of which they have been citizens or, if Arabs or Jews, have filed notice of intention to become citizens of the Arab or Jewish State respectively, according to part I, section B, paragraph 9, of this plan.

    The Trusteeship Council shall make arrangements for consular protection of the citizens of the City outside its territory.

    12. Freedoms of Citizens. (a) Subject only to the requirements of public order and morals, the inhabitants of the City shall be ensured the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of conscience, religion and worship, language, education, speech and press, assembly and association, and petition.

    (b) No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the grounds of race, religion, language or sex.

    (c) All persons within the City shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

    (d) The family law and personal status of the various persons and communities and their religious interests, including endowments, shall be respected.

    (e) Except as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government, no measure shall be taken to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of religious or charitable bodies of all faiths or to discriminate against any representative or member of these bodies on the ground of his religion or nationality.

    (f) The City shall ensure adequate primary and secondary education for the Arab and Jewish communities respectively, in their own languages and in accordance with their cultural traditions.

    The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the City may impose, shall not be denied or impaired. Foreign educational establishments shall continue their activity on the basis of their existing rights.

    (g) No restriction shall be imposed on the free use by any inhabitant of the City of any language in private intercourse, in commerce, in religion, in the Press or in publications of any kind, or at public meetings.

    13. Holy Places. (a) Existing rights in respect of Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall not be denied or impaired.

    (b) Free access to the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites and the free exercise of worship shall be secured in conformity with existing rights and subject to the requirements of public order and decorum.

    (c) Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall be preserved. No act shall be permitted which may in any way impair their sacred character. If at any time it appears to the Governor that any particular Holy Place, religious building or site is in need of urgent repair, the Governor may call upon the community or communities concerned to carry out such repair. The Governor may carry it out himself at the expense of the community or communities concerned if no action is taken within a reasonable time.

    (d) No taxation shall be levied in respect of any Holy Place, religious building or site which was exempt from taxation on the date of the creation of the City. No change in the incidence of such taxation shall be made which would either discriminate between the owners or occupiers of Holy Places, religious buildings or sites, or would place such owners or occupiers in a position less favourable in relation to the general incidence of taxation than existed at the time of the adoption of the Assembly's recommendations.

    14. Special powers of the Governor in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in the City and in any part of Palestine. (a) The protection of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites located in the City of Jerusalem shall be a special concern of the Governor.

    (b) With relation to such places, buildings and sites in Palestine outside the city, the Governor shall determine, on the ground of powers granted to him by the Constitutions of both States, whether the provisions of the Constitutions of the Arab and Jewish States in Palestine dealing therewith and the religious rights appertaining thereto are being properly applied and respected.

    (c) The Governor shall also be empowered to make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in any part of Palestine.

    In this task he may be assisted by a consultative council of representatives of different denominations acting in an advisory capacity.

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  152. RobinG says:
    @geokat62

    Geo, I believe you’re conflating/confusing the [Women’s March on the Pentagon] with the anti-Trump protest, and various #MeToo marches. They are NOT the same.
     
    Thanks for clarifying.

    Too many women’s marches, I guess. Why can’t we simply have marches where everyone’s invited?

    WOMEN’S MARCH on the PENTAGON

    Everyone is invited, as I already said. The point [that I believe Cindy Sheehan wants to make] is that the Pussy Warriors have EXCLUDED anti-war messages from their programs. Therefore, the counter messaging – – that there ARE women against war. Also, the title will catch the eye of the [already energized] women activists – – those who do not share their leaders’ anti-peace strategy.

    BTW, there were [welcomed] women at the original Million Man March. The point of that march was to mobilize the largely silent majority of Black men.

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  153. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Beyond the established borders Israel ought to pay for the use of the land, by it out right or depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.


    Because i am an advocate for sovereignty, I am going to tread lightly on issues regarding how Israel manages it's internal affairs, short of killing people. I suspect this is how Israel dances around the issue of setting in place a constitution obligating her to standards and practices of democratic expectation.

    But I would challenge her occupation of Palestine, much more her behavior in the same.

    this is how Israel dances around

    ♪♫ ve just slaughtered three thousand goyim ♪ ♬

    ♪♫ ‘now they vill have to go and kill ze Arabs ♪♫

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    Did he lose his phylactery?
    , @EliteCommInc.
    The gentleman is obviously happy about something. Whether it has anything to do with Arabs or that his eldest daughter is finally getting married is unknown to me.
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  154. RobinG says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Beyond the established borders Israel ought to pay for the use of the land, by it out right or depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.


    Because i am an advocate for sovereignty, I am going to tread lightly on issues regarding how Israel manages it's internal affairs, short of killing people. I suspect this is how Israel dances around the issue of setting in place a constitution obligating her to standards and practices of democratic expectation.

    But I would challenge her occupation of Palestine, much more her behavior in the same.

    ALL of PALESTINE is Occupied.

    The occupier is the illegitimate bastard spawn of genocidal terrorists, gang-bangers of the UN whore. Israel’s “Jewish state” days are numbered. 2021.

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    I understand your frustration, but as it stands Israel exists and I believe there is room for a Palestinian state.


    And it may be as you say, that this is not Israel's time. But for now it is. That does not mean, everything Israel does should be condoned by the US. And I think the number is growing who despite a care for Israel recognize that love and care - even defense -- does not demand acquiescing to everything Israel does in the region.
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  155. @annamaria
    The self-proclaimed "girl" attilathehen is seemingly unaware of certain Sir Saville and other influential pedophiles in the UK; some of them were exposed but many more were not: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2012/10/17/1146091/-Jimmy-Savile-Pedophile-Friend-of-Royalty-and-the-Cover-up-to-Pervert-Justice
    "...for four decades Savile reportedly molested and raped children as young as nine because no one stopped him. His high level contacts had made him untouchable. ... It’s not just the allegations of pedophilia against Sir Jimmy Savile that are so shocking, but the fact that these crimes appear to have occurred over a 40 year period... The sad fact is that in the UK and Canada the secret Intelligence/Security Apparatus are known to see part of their role as operating outside the law to illegally protect establishment elites from justice when they do wrong. Nobody - not the public, not police, not journalists, not the judiciary - would dare report a man who is being protected by MI5 or MI6." [See Mr. Steele' exploits, Mrs. Clinton' moralizing speeches, and the free-range criminals Cheney & Co]
    https://www.sott.net/article/252813-Jimmy-Savile-scandal-exposes-pedophile-network-at-heart-of-British-establishment
    "The BBC bosses ordered that the investigation [of Saville' crimes] be dropped."
    --There were other influential untouchable pedophiles: "UK Prime Minister Edward Heath "would regularly take boys from certain care homes away on his boat for weekends..."
    -- More: "Sir Jimmy Savile received a medal from Israel in 1979, for services rendered. Reportedly, Savile visited Israel in 1975 to advise Israel's President Ephraim Katzir on a matter of security. ... One of Savile's eight homes was a flat in the heart of the Leeds Jewish community in Roundhay... He was a regular at fundraising dinners at synagogues in Leeds and Manchester..."
    --Also, "Jimmy Savile had both a Royal and Papal knighthood (Order of St. Gregory the Great). He was a Knights Hospitaller (also known as the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta, Order of St. John, Knights of Malta, and Chevaliers of Malta)."
    -- How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike? - Well: " Sir Anthony Blunt blocked police investigations into activities involving Jimmy Savile. Blunt worked for the British security service MI5 and was close to Lord Victor Rothschild."

    – How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike?

    Thank you for yet another excellent comment.

    The deeper one digs, the more disgusted one gets, and to think that in the 21st century people still believe that government exists to protect us proles and peasants!

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    If I recall correctly, aren't you a Roman Catholic? Do you accept black/Asian priests-popes?
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  156. @Andrei Martyanov

    The only hope is the presence of the more or less educated servants near the deciders. The US is a lost cause because all and any mechanisms of control and responsibility on the top have been thoroughly destroyed. The moral imbeciles – Brennans, Muellers, Cheneys, Kagans, and such – are at the wheel.
     
    Sadly those insane have a lot of cheering from media, which are overwhelmingly populated with ignoramuses. I know there are many decent folks and true professionals left in the US and we may not see the whole picture of a struggle which is currently happening behind the curtain but there is also no denial of almost precipitous decline of American expertise and intellect which happened since 1999. In historic terms it is an instant but the effect is astonishing, in fact it is avalanche and the scope of such decline is stupefying--virtually every aspect of American life and American State is affected. For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.

    For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.

    Even I can see it and it is astonishing and, like you say, unmistakable and precipitous.

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we’ve made of ourselves and how we’ve extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.

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    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we’ve made of ourselves and how we’ve extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.
     
    Some, certainly, laugh. I don't, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things, and, in my personal case, for people who are my friends and are very close to me. In general, I don't wish Americans to go through this, so there is no schadenfreude on my part--only concern, plus I am getting to the age when running around with AK-74 is becoming a perspective I do not look forward to--I do treasure my Jack on the rocks with cigar on the porch in my backyard. Apart from the obvious fact that the US is a nuclear superpower and any internal destabilization will have massive negative ramifications for global nuclear stability, there are other dimensions to this whole thing which are not for this thread (Utu mentioned one of those considerations it in one of his posts on the other Saker's thread). In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of "soft landing" for the US and no global war--this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.
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  157. @Rurik

    this is how Israel dances around

     

    ♪♫ ve just slaughtered three thousand goyim ♪ ♬

    https://media.tenor.com/images/1300d8d706e5a4cb6a7ad1e6e7d90191/tenor.gif

    ♪♫ 'now they vill have to go and kill ze Arabs ♪♫

    Did he lose his phylactery?

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  158. @Rurik

    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God’s assert or by allowance.
     
    blah, blah..

    idiocy on the earth exists by either God's assert or by allowance

    how about this..

    Israel OBVIOUSLY did 9/11

    they even had their Mossad agents filming the fist plane crashing into the tower and then dancing around celebrating and high-fiving each other as the Americans were slaughtered in the flames and carnage.

    Either Israel send us every single war criminal responsible- or by God's assert or by allowance, Israel must be crushed under a three thousand megatons of karmic justice, by God's assert and by allowance

    does that work for you?

    As previously observed, the case of 9/11 and who is responsible remains open. There are attorneys more than willing to accept any evidence against responsible parties, in their lawsuits

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP. I have no issues holding anyone responsible to account.

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    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP.
     
    like the evidence of WMD?

    or the 'sexed up dossier?

    or the USS Liberty's mistaken identity?

    when it comes to 9/11, isn't it curious that the PTB immediately removed all the forensic evidence of the worst crime committed on US soil, not to mention the most fantastic simultaneous vaporization of a modern skyscraper's steel beams/structure, and sent it all to China to be melted down before an investigation could be conducted?

    Isn't that a bit curious?

    https://jayinreallife.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/9-11-thermate-beams.jpg

    just like the curious way all these beams were magically cut, as if by thermite

    isn't that odd?
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  159. renfro says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    renfro said: "Disgusting."

    Hi renfro,

    Below Senator Markey (D. MA) is concerned about ZUS mulling over an arms nuclear deal with Saudi Arabia Royals whom 9/11 victim families are prohibited to file a "Responsible Party" lawsuit.

    Can not imagine horrors on ZUS "things-to-do-list" with the Islamic Republic of Iran!

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/02/28/553872/Senator-alarmed-as-US-mulls-Saudi-nuclear-deal

    P.S.; geokat, what is Senator Markey' s standing with the Jewish Lobbies?

    Beholden to AIPAC’

    ”Yesterday the Israel lobby group AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, flexed its muscle against President Obama and on the side of Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu by posting a letter signed by 88 senators warning President Obama not to back any international measures that would pressure Israel to withdraw from occupied territories:

    ”We urge you to… make it clear that you will veto any one sided UNSC [UN Security Council] resolution that may be offered in the coming months

    The letter was circulated by NY Senator Kirsten Gillibrand and got many progressive signatures: Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Amy Klobuchar, Ron Wyden, Tammy Baldwin, Chris Murphy, Barbara Mikulski, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Jack Reed, right along with John McCain, Mike Lee, Lindsey Graham and John Barrasso.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/09/beholden-progressive-senators/

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  160. @Rurik

    this is how Israel dances around

     

    ♪♫ ve just slaughtered three thousand goyim ♪ ♬

    https://media.tenor.com/images/1300d8d706e5a4cb6a7ad1e6e7d90191/tenor.gif

    ♪♫ 'now they vill have to go and kill ze Arabs ♪♫

    The gentleman is obviously happy about something. Whether it has anything to do with Arabs or that his eldest daughter is finally getting married is unknown to me.

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    Hi Elite,

    Get on the ball!

    The happy dancer is Sam Shama doing a jig in Rao's backroom after his learning how Secretary Mnuchin told Kim whose really in-charge on the Korean peninsula.
    , @Rurik

    The gentleman is obviously happy about something.
     
    yes, because he's dancing around

    and that's what you do when you're ecstatic, you dance with joy..

    just like you would if you just watched a passenger jet full of people plow into the side of a building - slaughtering untold numbers of men, women and children.

    You would of course dance and high-five your buddies and celebrate with ecstasy and joy at such a scene! No?
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  161. @RobinG
    ALL of PALESTINE is Occupied.

    The occupier is the illegitimate bastard spawn of genocidal terrorists, gang-bangers of the UN whore. Israel's "Jewish state" days are numbered. 2021.

    I understand your frustration, but as it stands Israel exists and I believe there is room for a Palestinian state.

    And it may be as you say, that this is not Israel’s time. But for now it is. That does not mean, everything Israel does should be condoned by the US. And I think the number is growing who despite a care for Israel recognize that love and care – even defense — does not demand acquiescing to everything Israel does in the region.

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    This post is so ...... nothing.

    Gets more and more likely that EliteCommInc. is a bot. Especially the long posts, designed to waste your time... [not my time. I ignore.] .... like debating your refrigerator.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    This is what IGNORE looks like.

    Short & sweet enough to print and post on your refrigerator.

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  162. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Beyond the established borders Israel ought to pay for the use of the land, by it out right or depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.


    Because i am an advocate for sovereignty, I am going to tread lightly on issues regarding how Israel manages it's internal affairs, short of killing people. I suspect this is how Israel dances around the issue of setting in place a constitution obligating her to standards and practices of democratic expectation.

    But I would challenge her occupation of Palestine, much more her behavior in the same.

    depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.

    Dear weird one the US does not set boundaries for Israel. The UN did that and the fact that it has not adhered to those boundaries is why it has 259 UN resolutions against it. It would take me an hour to count all the violations to Res 181 by Israel.

    UN Resolution 181
    Partition of Palestine

    PART II

    Boundaries 5/

    A. THE ARAB STATE

    The area of the Arab State in Western Galilee is bounded on the west by the Mediterranean and on the north by the frontier of the Lebanon from Ras en Naqura to a point north of Saliha. From there the boundary proceeds southwards, leaving the built-up area of Saliha in the Arab State, to join the southernmost point of this village. Thence it follows the western boundary line of the villages of `Alma, Rihaniya and Teitaba, thence following the northern boundary line of Meirun village to join the Acre-Safad sub-district boundary line. It follows this line to a point west of Es Sammu’i village and joins it again at the northernmost point of Farradiya. Thence it follows the sub-district boundary line to the Acre-Safad main road. From here it follows the western boundary of Kafr I’nan village until it reaches the Tiberias-Acre sub-district boundary line, passing to the west of the junction of the Acre-Safad and Lubiya-Kafr I’nan roads. From south-west corner of Kafr I’nan village the boundary line follows the western boundary of the Tiberias sub-district to a point close to the boundary line between the villages of Maghar and Eilabun, thence bulging out to the west to include as much of the eastern part of the plain of Battuf as is necessary for the reservoir proposed by the Jewish Agency for the irrigation of lands to the south and east.

    The boundary rejoins the Tiberias sub-district boundary at a point on the Nazareth-Tiberias road south-east of the built-up area of Tur’an; thence it runs southwards, at first following the sub-district boundary and then passing between the Kadoorie Agricultural School and Mount Tabor, to a point due south at the base of Mount Tabor. From here it runs due west, parallel to the horizontal grid line 230, to the north-east corner of the village lands of Tel Adashim. It then runs to the north-west corner of these lands, whence it turns south and west so as to include in the Arab State the sources of the Nazareth water supply in Yafa village. On reaching Ginneiger it follows the eastern, northern and western boundaries of the lands of this village to their south-west corner, whence it proceeds in a straight line to a point on the Haifa-Afula railway on the boundary between the villages of Sarid and El Mujeidil. This is the point of intersection.

    The south-western boundary of the area of the Arab State in Galilee takes a line from this point, passing northwards along the eastern boundaries of Sarid and Gevat to the north-eastern corner of Nahalal, proceeding thence across the land of Kefar ha Horesh to a central point on the southern boundary of the village of `Ilut, thence westwards along that village boundary to the eastern boundary of Beit Lahm, thence northwards and north-eastwards along its western boundary to the north-eastern corner of Waldheim and thence north-westwards across the village lands of Shafa ‘Amr to the south-eastern corner of Ramat Yohanan’. From here it runs due north-north-east to a point on the Shafa ‘Amr-Haifa road, west of its junction with the road to I’Billin. From there it proceeds north-east to a point on the southern boundary of I’Billin situated to the west of the I’Billin-Birwa road. Thence along that boundary to its westernmost point, whence it turns to the north, follows across the village land of Tamra to the north-westernmost corner and along the western boundary of Julis until it reaches the Acre-Safad road. It then runs westwards along the southern side of the Safad-Acre road to the Galilee-Haifa District boundary, from which point it follows that boundary to the sea.

    The boundary of the hill country of Samaria and Judea starts on the Jordan River at the Wadi Malih south-east of Beisan and runs due west to meet the Beisan-Jericho road and then follows the western side of that road in a north-westerly direction to the junction of the boundaries of the sub-districts of Beisan, Nablus, and Jenin. From that point it follows the Nablus-Jenin sub-district boundary westwards for a distance of about three kilometres and then turns north-westwards, passing to the east of the built-up areas of the villages of Jalbun and Faqqu’a, to the boundary of the sub-districts of Jenin and Beisan at a point north-east of Nuris. Thence it proceeds first north-westwards to a point due north of the built-up area of Zir’in and then westwards to the Afula-Jenin railway, thence north-westwards along the district boundary line to the point of intersection on the Hejaz railway. From here the boundary runs south-westwards, including the built-up area and some of the land of the village of Kh.Lid in the Arab State to cross the Haifa-Jenin road at a point on the district boundary between Haifa and Samaria west of El Mansi. It follows this boundary to the southernmost point of the village of El Buteimat. From here it follows the northern and eastern boundaries of the village of Ar’ara, rejoining the Haifa-Samaria district boundary at Wadi’Ara, and thence proceeding south-south-westwards in an approximately straight line joining up with the western boundary of Qaqun to a point east of the railway line on the eastern boundary of Qaqun village. From here it runs along the railway line some distance to the east of it to a point just east of the Tulkarm railway station. Thence the boundary follows a line half-way between the railway and the Tulkarm-Qalqiliya-Jaljuliya and Ras el Ein road to a point just east of Ras el Ein station, whence it proceeds along the railway some distance to the east of it to the point on the railway line south of the junction of the Haifa-Lydda and Beit Nabala lines, whence it proceeds along the southern border of Lydda airport to its south-west corner, thence in a south-westerly direction to a point just west of the built-up area of Sarafand el’Amar, whence it turns south, passing just to the west of the built-up area of Abu el Fadil to the north-east corner of the lands of Beer Ya’Aqov. (The boundary line should be so demarcated as to allow direct access from the Arab State to the airport.) Thence the boundary line follows the western and southern boundaries of Ramle village, to the north-east corner of El Na’ana village, thence in a straight line to the southernmost point of El Barriya, along the eastern boundary of that village and the southern boundary of ‘Innaba village. Thence it turns north to follow the southern side of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road until El Qubab, whence it follows the road to the boundary of Abu Shusha. It runs along the eastern boundaries of Abu Shusha, Seidun, Hulda to the southernmost point of Hulda, thence westwards in a straight line to the north-eastern corner of Umm Kalkha, thence following the northern boundaries of Umm Kalkha, Qazaza and the northern and western boundaries of Mukhezin to the Gaza District boundary and thence runs across the village lands of El Mismiya, El Kabira, and Yasur to the southern point of intersection, which is midway between the built-up areas of Yasur and Batani Sharqi.

    From the southern point of intersection the boundary lines run north-westwards between the villages of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the sea at a point half way between Nabi Yunis and Minat el Qila, and south-eastwards to a point west of Qastina, whence it turns in a south-westerly direction, passing to the east of the built-up areas of Es Sawafir, Es Sharqiya and Ibdis. From the south-east corner of Ibdis village it runs to a point south-west of the built-up area of Beit ‘Affa, crossing the Hebron-El Majdal road just to the west of the built-up area of Iraq Suweidan. Thence it proceeds southwards along the western village boundary of El Faluja to the Beersheba sub-district boundary. It then runs across the tribal lands of ‘Arab el Jubarat to a point on the boundary between the sub-districts of Beersheba and Hebron north of Kh. Khuweilifa, whence it proceeds in a south-westerly direction to a point on the Beersheba-Gaza main road two kilometres to the north-west of the town. It then turns south-eastwards to reach Wadi Sab’ at a point situated one kilometre to the west of it. From here it turns north-eastwards and proceeds along Wadi Sab’ and along the Beersheba-Hebron road for a distance of one kilometre, whence it turns eastwards and runs in a straight line to Kh. Kuseifa to join the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary. It then follows the Beersheba-Hebron boundary eastwards to a point north of Ras Ez Zuweira, only departing from it so as to cut across the base of the indentation between vertical grid lines 150 and 160.

    About five kilometres north-east of Ras ez Zuweira it turns north, excluding from the Arab State a strip along the coast of the Dead Sea not more than seven kilometres in depth, as far as Ein Geddi, whence it turns due east to join the Transjordan frontier in the Dead Sea.

    The northern boundary of the Arab section of the coastal plain runs from a point between Minat el Qila and Nabi Yunis, passing between the built-up areas of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the point of intersection. From here it turns south-westwards, running across the lands of Batani Sharqi, along the eastern boundary of the lands of Beit Daras and across the lands of Julis, leaving the built-up areas of Batani Sharqi and Julis to the westwards, as far as the north-west corner of the lands of Beit Tima. Thence it runs east of El Jiya across the village lands of El Barbara along the eastern boundaries of the villages of Beit Jirja, Deir Suneid and Dimra. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Beit Hanun the line runs south-west to a point south of the parallel grid line 100, then turns north-west for two kilometres, turning again in a south-westerly direction and continuing in an almost straight line to the north-west corner of the village lands of Kirbet Ikhza’a. From there it follows the boundary line of this village to its southernmost point. It then runs in a southernly direction along the vertical grid line 90 to its junction with the horizontal grid line 70. It then turns south-eastwards to Kh. el Ruheiba and then proceeds in a southerly direction to a point known as El Baha, beyond which it crosses the Beersheba-El ‘Auja main road to the west of Kh. el Mushrifa. From there it joins Wadi El Zaiyatin just to the west of El Subeita. From there it turns to the north-east and then to the south-east following this Wadi and passes to the east of ‘Abda to join Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh, Wadi Ajrim and Wadi Lassan to the point where Wadi Lassan crosses the Egyptian frontier.

    The area of the Arab enclave of Jaffa consists of that part of the town-planning area of Jaffa which lies to the west of the Jewish quarters lying south of Tel-Aviv, to the west of the continuation of Herzl street up to its junction with the Jaffa-Jerusalem road, to the south-west of the section of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road lying south-east of that junction, to the west of Miqve Israel lands, to the north-west of Holon local council area, to the north of the line linking up the north-west corner of Holon with the north-east corner of Bat Yam local council area and to the north of Bat Yam local council area. The question of Karton quarter will be decided by the Boundary Commission, bearing in mind among other considerations the desirability of including the smallest possible number of its Arab inhabitants and the largest possible number of its Jewish inhabitants in the Jewish State.

    B. THE JEWISH STATE

    The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.

    C. THE CITY OF JERUSALEM

    The boundaries of the City of Jerusalem are as defined in the recommendations on the City of Jerusalem. (See Part III, Section B, below).

    PART III

    City of Jerusalem

    A. SPECIAL REGIME

    The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations.

    B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY

    The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu’fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map (annex B).

    C. STATUTE OF THE CITY

    The Trusteeship Council shall, within five months of the approval of the present plan, elaborate and approve a detailed Statute of the City which shall contain inter alia the substance of the following provisions:

    1. Government machinery; special objectives. The Administering Authority in discharging its administrative obligations shall pursue the following special objectives:

    (a) To protect and to preserve the unique spiritual and religious interests located in the city of the three great monotheistic faiths throughout the world, Christian, Jewish and Moslem; to this end to ensure that order and peace, and especially religious peace, reign in Jerusalem;

    (b) To foster co-operation among all the inhabitants of the city in their own interests as well as in order to encourage and support the peaceful development of the mutual relations between the two Palestinian peoples throughout the Holy Land; to promote the security, well-being and any constructive measures of development of the residents, having regard to the special circumstances and customs of the various peoples and communities.

    2. Governor and administrative staff. A Governor of the City of Jerusalem shall be appointed by the Trusteeship Council and shall be responsible to it. He shall be selected on the basis of special qualifications and without regard to nationality. He shall not, however, be a citizen of either State in Palestine.

    The Governor shall represent the United Nations in the City and shall exercise on their behalf all powers of administration, including the conduct of external affairs. He shall be assisted by an administrative staff classed as international officers in the meaning of Article 100 of the Charter and chosen whenever practicable from the residents of the city and of the rest of Palestine on a non-discriminatory basis. A detailed plan for the organization of the administration of the city shall be submitted by the Governor to the Trusteeship Council and duly approved by it.

    3. Local autonomy. (a) The existing local autonomous units in the territory of the city (villages, townships and municipalities) shall enjoy wide powers of local government and administration.

    (b) The Governor shall study and submit for the consideration and decision of the Trusteeship Council a plan for the establishment of a special town units consisting respectively, of the Jewish and Arab sections of new Jerusalem. The new town units shall continue to form part of the present municipality of Jerusalem.

    4. Security measures. (a) The City of Jerusalem shall be demilitarized; its neutrality shall be declared and preserved, and no para-military formations, exercises or activities shall be permitted within its borders.

    (b) Should the administration of the City of Jerusalem be seriously obstructed or prevented by the non-co-operation or interference of one or more sections of the population, the Governor shall have authority to take such measures as may be necessary to restore the effective functioning of the administration.

    (c) To assist in the maintenance of internal law and order and especially for the protection of the Holy Places and religious buildings and sites in the city, the Governor shall organize a special police force of adequate strength, the members of which shall be recruited outside of Palestine. The Governor shall be empowered to direct such budgetary provision as may be necessary for the maintenance of this force.

    5. Legislative organization. A Legislative Council, elected by adult residents of the city irrespective of nationality on the basis of universal and secret suffrage and proportional representation, shall have powers of legislation and taxation. No legislative measures shall, however, conflict or interfere with the provisions which will be set forth in the Statute of the City, nor shall any law, regulation, or official action prevail over them. The Statute shall grant to the Governor a right of vetoing bills inconsistent with the provisions referred to in the preceding sentence. It shall also empower him to promulgate temporary ordinances in case the council fails to adopt in time a bill deemed essential to the normal functioning of the administration.

    6. Administration of justice. The Statute shall provide for the establishment of an independent judiciary system, including a court of appeal. All the inhabitants of the City shall be subject to it.

    7. Economic union and economic regime. The City of Jerusalem shall be included in the Economic Union of Palestine and be bound by all stipulations of the undertaking and of any treaties issued therefrom, as well as by the decision of the Joint Economic Board. The headquarters of the Economic Board shall be established in the territory of the City.

    The Statute shall provide for the regulation of economic matters not falling within the regime of the Economic Union, on the basis of equal treatment and non-discrimination for all members of the United Nations and their nationals.

    8. Freedom of transit and visit; control of residents. Subject to considerations of security, and of economic welfare as determined by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council, freedom of entry into, and residence within, the borders of the City shall be guaranteed for the residents or citizens of the Arab and Jewish States. Immigration into, and residence within, the borders of the city for nationals of other States shall be controlled by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council.

    9. Relations with the Arab and Jewish States. Representatives of the Arab and Jewish States shall be accredited to the Governor of the City and charged with the protection of the interests of their States and nationals in connexion with the international administration of the City.

    10. Official languages. Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of the city. This will not preclude the adoption of one or more additional working languages, as may be required.

    11. Citizenship. All the residents shall become ipso facto citizens of the City of Jerusalem unless they opt for citizenship of the State of which they have been citizens or, if Arabs or Jews, have filed notice of intention to become citizens of the Arab or Jewish State respectively, according to part I, section B, paragraph 9, of this plan.

    The Trusteeship Council shall make arrangements for consular protection of the citizens of the City outside its territory.

    12. Freedoms of Citizens. (a) Subject only to the requirements of public order and morals, the inhabitants of the City shall be ensured the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of conscience, religion and worship, language, education, speech and press, assembly and association, and petition.

    (b) No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the grounds of race, religion, language or sex.

    (c) All persons within the City shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

    (d) The family law and personal status of the various persons and communities and their religious interests, including endowments, shall be respected.

    (e) Except as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government, no measure shall be taken to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of religious or charitable bodies of all faiths or to discriminate against any representative or member of these bodies on the ground of his religion or nationality.

    (f) The City shall ensure adequate primary and secondary education for the Arab and Jewish communities respectively, in their own languages and in accordance with their cultural traditions.

    The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the City may impose, shall not be denied or impaired. Foreign educational establishments shall continue their activity on the basis of their existing rights.

    (g) No restriction shall be imposed on the free use by any inhabitant of the City of any language in private intercourse, in commerce, in religion, in the Press or in publications of any kind, or at public meetings.

    13. Holy Places. (a) Existing rights in respect of Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall not be denied or impaired.

    (b) Free access to the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites and the free exercise of worship shall be secured in conformity with existing rights and subject to the requirements of public order and decorum.

    (c) Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall be preserved. No act shall be permitted which may in any way impair their sacred character. If at any time it appears to the Governor that any particular Holy Place, religious building or site is in need of urgent repair, the Governor may call upon the community or communities concerned to carry out such repair. The Governor may carry it out himself at the expense of the community or communities concerned if no action is taken within a reasonable time.

    (d) No taxation shall be levied in respect of any Holy Place, religious building or site which was exempt from taxation on the date of the creation of the City. No change in the incidence of such taxation shall be made which would either discriminate between the owners or occupiers of Holy Places, religious buildings or sites, or would place such owners or occupiers in a position less favourable in relation to the general incidence of taxation than existed at the time of the adoption of the Assembly’s recommendations.

    14. Special powers of the Governor in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in the City and in any part of Palestine. (a) The protection of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites located in the City of Jerusalem shall be a special concern of the Governor.

    (b) With relation to such places, buildings and sites in Palestine outside the city, the Governor shall determine, on the ground of powers granted to him by the Constitutions of both States, whether the provisions of the Constitutions of the Arab and Jewish States in Palestine dealing therewith and the religious rights appertaining thereto are being properly applied and respected.

    (c) The Governor shall also be empowered to make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in any part of Palestine.

    In this task he may be assisted by a consultative council of representatives of different denominations acting in an advisory capacity.

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    Thank you for the extended quote. It clears up the air from the hypocriticl whining, lies and obfuscations of Israelis and Israel-firsters and exposes the dishonesty of a traitorous bunch in the Congress, including such bought loyalists to Israel as Kirsten Gillibrand, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Amy Klobuchar, Ron Wyden, Tammy Baldwin, Chris Murphy, Barbara Mikulski, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Jack Reed, John McCain, Mike Lee, Lindsey Graham and John Barrasso. http://mondoweiss.net/2016/09/beholden-progressive-senators/
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  163. @renfro

    That issue was whether the U citizen has more in common with Israel or Iran. And regardless of the issues related to faith and practice, most US citizens are goinbg to state they have more in common with Israeli values than Iran
     
    You are hopelessly fucked up oh weird one. In the American heart there is one thing that still stands as representative of our best value....Fairness.

    There is only one polling entity that is recognized world wide as the most reliable and non partisan, the WPOP, run by the Kennedy Center and the Sadat Chair at the University of Maryland, and conducted in cooperation with the University’s Program for Public Consultation. Here it is and its not a silly paid for by someone Pew type dialing area codes poll...so pay attention. And prepare yourself for part two in which ..... No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.


    What Americans Evangelicals think about Israel and the Middle East

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/what-americans-especially-evangelicals-think-about-israel-and-the-middle-east/

    A new poll shows that in dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict overall, an overwhelming 77% of Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward Israel as compared to 29% to Americans overall and 36% of non-Evangelical Republicans.
    In contrast 66% of all Americans and 60% of Non-Evangelical Republicans want the United States to lean toward neither side.
    This pattern holds on other aspects of US policy toward the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. If the UN Security Council considers endorsing the establishment of a Palestinian state, only 26% of all Americans and 38% of non-Evangelical Republicans favor the US voting against it. However six in ten Evangelical Republicans say that the US should vote against it, thus vetoing the move. Evangelical Republicans also differ in that they pay far more attention to a candidate’s position on Israel. When considering which candidate to vote for in Congress or for president just 26% of all Americans and 33% of non-Evangelical Republicans say they consider the candidates position on Israel a lot. Among Evangelical Republicans 64% say they consider it a lot
    Evangelical Republicans represent 23% of all Republicans and 10% of the general population
    Overall, twice as many Americans say the Israeli government has too much influence (37%) than say too little influence (18%),
    Concerns about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are driven more by considerations related to human right and international law than US interests. Offered five options to explain their concern, the largest number — 47%– say human rights or international law, while 32% say America’s interest. Thirteen percent say cite religious beliefs, while 8% express concern for Israel’s interests. Overall, 37% of Americans (and 49% of Democrats) recommend punitive measures against Israel over its settlement policy (27% recommend economic sanctions, and 10% recommend taking more serious action); 31% recommend that the U.S. limits its opposition to words, 27% recommend that the U.S. do nothing.

    Now, here is their poll nation wide for the US and world wide for Israel.

    International Poll: Most Publics–including Americans–Oppose Taking Sides in Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

    http://worldpublicopinion.net/international-poll-most-publics-including-americans-oppose-taking-sides-in-israeli-palestinian-conflict/
    Country-by-Country Summaries (PDF)
    Questionnaire/methodology (PDF)
    Press Release (PDF)
    Full PDF Version

    A new WorldPublicOpinion.org poll of 18 countries finds that in 14 of them people mostly say their government should not take sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Just three countries favor taking the Palestinian side (Egypt, Iran, and Turkey) and one is divided (India). No country favors taking Israel’s side, including the United States, where 71 percent favor taking neither side.

    Publics around the world are not cheering for either side and want their governments to take an even-handed approach,” said Steven Kull, director of WorldPublicOpinion.org. “All of the key actors are seen as failing to do their part to break the impasse and most want the UN Security Council to step in and offer peacekeeping forces and even security guarantees to help resolve the conflict.”
    The poll of 18,792 respondents was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative research project involving research centers from around the world and managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA) at the University of Maryland. Margins of error range from +/-2 to 4 percent.

    Asked how their country should approach the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, 14 out of 18 publics preferred taking neither side. On average, 58 percent say that their country should not take either side, while just 20 percent favor siding with the Palestinians and 7 percent say that their country should take Israel’s side.
    In eight of the countries this was a large majority–seven in 10 or more–including Mexicans (88%), South Koreans (82%), Britons (79%), the French (79%), Peruvians (76%), the Chinese (74%), Americans (71%), and Ukrainians (69%).
    Only in a few predominantly Muslim countries do most favor taking the side of the Palestinians. Robust majorities take this position in Egypt (86%) and Iran (63%), as does a modest plurality in Turkey (42% Palestinians’ side, 38% neither side). However two other predominantly Muslim countries primarily favor taking neither side–Azerbaijan (54%) and Indonesia (43%).
    In no country does a majority favor taking Israel’s side. The largest percentages favoring taking Israel’s side are Indians (24%), Americans (21%), and Nigerians (15%).
    Overall, there is strong support for the United Nations playing a robust role in the effort to resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Very large numbers favor the United Nations contributing a peacekeeping force to enforce a peace agreement and substantial numbers favor the UN Security Council offering to provide security guarantees to Israel and the Arab countries.
    Enforcement of Peace Agreement
    In 16 of 17 countries polled, majorities or pluralities favor the UN Security Council offering–if Israel and the Palestinians come to a peace agreement–to send a peacekeeping force to enforce the agreement. On average, 67 percent favor such an approach, while just 20 percent oppose the idea.
    Among all of the permanent members of the UN Security Council publics are supportive. In four countries this is by a robust majority–China (81%), France (74%), Great Britain (67%), and the United States (61%). Only in Russia is support limited to a plurality (47%), though few are opposed (25%).
    Palestinians are strongly in favor of such an idea (63%), as are those in other predominantly Muslim countries–Turkey (65%), and Egypt (64%).

    Oy veh.

    The question is not a singular issue. But with what country do US citizens identify with. I made comparisons to several attitudes and practices that overwhelming indicate that US society identifies more with Israel. As to your choice pinned to fairness. I would think this would be an area one would avoid. Because in the arena of existentialist identity Israel and the US are bonded at the hip.

    Zionism by any other name “Manifest Destiny” are robust principles and practices of both countries. In fact, if I were an Israeli, I would point to the use of the Monroe Doctrine as the model for modern day Israel — including all of the unfairness of its application.

    I would think that Iran would make use of those similarities as cause for rejecting US values – particularly on the duplicitous practice of treating all men as equal under the law, even exclusively US law and ethos. And note that like the Israeli Arab population, the US has engaged a mountain of unfair practices against members of their own society — i.e. The removal of the Cherokee people who adopted all manner of US custom, law, and practice down to the dress codes.

    Just because US citizens don’t approve of certain Israeli action does not mean they don’t identify more with the values of Israel than the US. And I think hinging the case on fairness undermines your entire point. Even Iranians would look at the idea with crossed eyes.

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    Manifest Destiny?.....LOL

    Manifest destiny was a term made up by a journalist named O'Sullivan in column in favor of the U.S. annexing Texas.

    Manifest destiny was never a doctrine of the US and no one uses it any more except the Jews to make it seem like their Greater Israel designs was like the US manifest destiny.
    Just like you and they, and you are one of they despite your OT pretense, claim the OT influenced US founding documents and made up coined Judeo Christian....their is no lie too far and nothing you wont stretch to pretend to those 'shared vaues'.

    And the Monroe doctrine as a model for Israel....sure they can tell us to butt out of their affairs as soon as we stop supplying them billions of dollars and protecting them...until then they are our rouge bitch.

    rotflmao..listen you have beyond all reasonable doubt revealed yourself as a Jew...and I dont usually argue with Jews as they don't have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject.......no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old....so ciao.
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  164. tac [AKA "jsb"] says:
    @Rurik

    Quite the contrary all the nations on the earth exist by either God’s assert or by allowance.
     
    blah, blah..

    idiocy on the earth exists by either God's assert or by allowance

    how about this..

    Israel OBVIOUSLY did 9/11

    they even had their Mossad agents filming the fist plane crashing into the tower and then dancing around celebrating and high-fiving each other as the Americans were slaughtered in the flames and carnage.

    Either Israel send us every single war criminal responsible- or by God's assert or by allowance, Israel must be crushed under a three thousand megatons of karmic justice, by God's assert and by allowance

    does that work for you?

    Not to mention the overwhelming evidence of having their “art students” infiltrate US officials in some instances in their own homes, and agencies in some instances where the said locations had no street addresses and no street signs.

    “In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the “students” had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials…”

    Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of “art student” encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.

    So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane’s Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: “It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks — the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.”

    The extreme sensitivity of the Israeli art student story in government circles was made clear to this reporter when, in the midst of my inquiries at DEA and elsewhere, I was told by a source that some unknown party had checked my records and background. He proved it by mentioning a job I had briefly held many years ago that virtually no one outside my family knew about. Shortly after this, I received a call from an individual who identified himself only by the code name Stability.

    … “The problem is that you’re going into a hornet’s nest with this. It’s a very difficult time in this particular area. This is a scenario where a lot of people are living a bunker mentality.” He added, “There are a lot of people under a lot of pressure right now because there’s a great effort to discredit the story, discredit the connections, prevent people from going any further [in investigating the matter]. There are some very, very smart people who have taken a lot of heat on this — have gone to what I would consider extraordinary risks to reach out. Quite frankly, there are a lot of patriots out there who’d like to remain alive. Typically, patriots are dead.”

    “I will tell you that there is still great debate over what [the art students] specific purposes were and are,” Stability went on. “When you take an individual who picks up a group of individuals from an airport, individuals who supposedly have no idea what they’re doing in-country, who fly on over from a foreign land, whose airline tickets could in some instances total a value greater than $15,000 — and who get picked up at the airport and drive specifically to one individual’s home, which they know the exact directions to: Yeah, you could say there’s a problem here. You don’t need to be a rocket scientist to understand that. The overarching item is that a lot of work went into going to people’s houses to sell them junk from China in plastic frames.”…

    https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/

    https://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm

    https://www.antiwar.com/justin/j100402.html

    https://www.wrmea.org/2000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught-spying-in-washington-again.html

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  165. excuse me,

    my comment should have read UN, not the US,

    I appreciate the observation and the opportunity to correct it.

    Sure as indicated by Res. 181.

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  166. Nethanyahoo!!!
    Go to jail, do not collect 200!
    You are , as we always suspected, a simply criminal, disguising as a war-gangster.

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  168. RobinG says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    I understand your frustration, but as it stands Israel exists and I believe there is room for a Palestinian state.


    And it may be as you say, that this is not Israel's time. But for now it is. That does not mean, everything Israel does should be condoned by the US. And I think the number is growing who despite a care for Israel recognize that love and care - even defense -- does not demand acquiescing to everything Israel does in the region.

    This post is so …… nothing.

    Gets more and more likely that EliteCommInc. is a bot. Especially the long posts, designed to waste your time… [not my time. I ignore.] …. like debating your refrigerator.

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    There's predictable response.
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  169. @jacques sheete

    – How come that this vicious pedophile who had been abusing children for 40 years was celebrated by Jews and Christians alike?
     
    Thank you for yet another excellent comment.

    The deeper one digs, the more disgusted one gets, and to think that in the 21st century people still believe that government exists to protect us proles and peasants!

    If I recall correctly, aren’t you a Roman Catholic? Do you accept black/Asian priests-popes?

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  170. @Kolo
    Imbecile Alert

    Awwww. You’re protecting the commentators from truth. You and they can’t handle the truth as was said in some movie.

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  171. @jacques sheete

    For me, who survived Soviet collapse, the signs are unmistakable.
     
    Even I can see it and it is astonishing and, like you say, unmistakable and precipitous.

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we've made of ourselves and how we've extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we’ve made of ourselves and how we’ve extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.

    Some, certainly, laugh. I don’t, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things, and, in my personal case, for people who are my friends and are very close to me. In general, I don’t wish Americans to go through this, so there is no schadenfreude on my part–only concern, plus I am getting to the age when running around with AK-74 is becoming a perspective I do not look forward to–I do treasure my Jack on the rocks with cigar on the porch in my backyard. Apart from the obvious fact that the US is a nuclear superpower and any internal destabilization will have massive negative ramifications for global nuclear stability, there are other dimensions to this whole thing which are not for this thread (Utu mentioned one of those considerations it in one of his posts on the other Saker’s thread). In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of “soft landing” for the US and no global war–this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.

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    Some, certainly, laugh. I don’t, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things...
     
    This is the point. When the US goes down, it's going to produce an earthquake/tsunami of enormous proportions, that's going to echo around the world, and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war - another awful possibility).

    And, all because of America's stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960's onwards, shouting about their "freedoms" and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).
    , @renfro

    In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of “soft landing” for the US and no global war–this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.
     
    Agree. I am lately thinking of adding onto our old pre civil war family held home and farm to accommodate all of the brothers and cousin' s families in case we need to beat it to a protectable and self sustainable place..... that I am having these thoughts means I have given up on the US righting itself without some chaotic event or giant enema in our government.
    I hope I am wrong.
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  172. @EliteCommInc.
    I understand your frustration, but as it stands Israel exists and I believe there is room for a Palestinian state.


    And it may be as you say, that this is not Israel's time. But for now it is. That does not mean, everything Israel does should be condoned by the US. And I think the number is growing who despite a care for Israel recognize that love and care - even defense -- does not demand acquiescing to everything Israel does in the region.

    This is what IGNORE looks like.

    Short & sweet enough to print and post on your refrigerator.

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    Another shocking response

    Good grief . . .
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  173. Miro23 says:
    @Rurik

    Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.
     
    by voting his conscience and speaking the truth, I guess

    I've been very disappointed at his son time and again, but I still cling to hope that Rand will one day be a fraction of the man his father is. One thing great about Rand is that John McCain hates his guts, because Rand is always trying to avoid more wars.

    and even move out of the country.
     
    my destiny will eventually lead me off these shores as well.

    As Bobby Fisher said, 'the United States is evil', 'utterly hypocritical and corrupt'.

    and he's right. Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    I love many of the people here, and I love the memories of my childhood home, but what America has become, and is morphing into- is a nightmare. Straight out of the Satanic fetishes of a blood-stained fiend.

    http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Barak_on_BBC-1.jpg

    How do you pay taxes to an institution that you know will use that money to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/a9/47/2ca9475552113c140ac843c71dc6198b.jpg

    ..or Fallujah or Yemen- where the Fiend is currently in a demon's alliance with the Saudis to starve the people into submission to their banal domination.

    It messes with my temperament when everything I see and hear and read is all devil's lies, 24/7.

    I wasn't built like that.

    Perhaps that's one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi's articles so much, because they're a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.

    It's all sinister lies, all day long from the ((controlled)) media and academia and government. And so we all live in this matrix of deceit and moral corruption, and it must effect us all in myriad and unpredictable ways. So I know you're right about Ventura, and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.

    There are a lot of really good people here. The overwhelming majority in fact, but that tiny handful of psychopaths behind the curtain have jaundiced the entire country. Its mood is now one of rancor and bile. Befitting the nature of the ((people)) who have raided its institutions and defiled its character.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    ps, I love George Carlin. An American luminary and legend.

    Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    It seems incredible, but it’s actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.

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    Not to mention the evidence of having their "art students" infiltrate US officials in some instances in their own homes, and agencies in some instances where the said locations had no street addresses and no street signs.
    , @Rurik

    It seems incredible, but it’s actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.
     
    not that there isn't ample precedent

    I'm reminded of how Woodrow Wilson told the Germans of his Fourteen Points based on national self-determination, in order to get them to disarm for armistice talks, and then once they were disarmed, set about starving them en masse to force them to sign their citizens over to slavery.

    Or how the ZUS calculated the death by fire of the denizens of Dresden, after the war was won.

    Eisenhower's death camps, and John McCain betraying Vietnam POWs

    enough sinister treachery to benumb the soul

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  174. @RobinG
    This post is so ...... nothing.

    Gets more and more likely that EliteCommInc. is a bot. Especially the long posts, designed to waste your time... [not my time. I ignore.] .... like debating your refrigerator.

    There’s predictable response.

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  175. @SolontoCroesus
    This is what IGNORE looks like.

    Short & sweet enough to print and post on your refrigerator.

    EliteCommInc. says:SHOW COMMENTNext New Comment
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    Another shocking response

    Good grief . . .

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  176. renfro says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Oy veh.

    The question is not a singular issue. But with what country do US citizens identify with. I made comparisons to several attitudes and practices that overwhelming indicate that US society identifies more with Israel. As to your choice pinned to fairness. I would think this would be an area one would avoid. Because in the arena of existentialist identity Israel and the US are bonded at the hip.

    Zionism by any other name "Manifest Destiny" are robust principles and practices of both countries. In fact, if I were an Israeli, I would point to the use of the Monroe Doctrine as the model for modern day Israel -- including all of the unfairness of its application.


    I would think that Iran would make use of those similarities as cause for rejecting US values - particularly on the duplicitous practice of treating all men as equal under the law, even exclusively US law and ethos. And note that like the Israeli Arab population, the US has engaged a mountain of unfair practices against members of their own society -- i.e. The removal of the Cherokee people who adopted all manner of US custom, law, and practice down to the dress codes.


    Just because US citizens don't approve of certain Israeli action does not mean they don't identify more with the values of Israel than the US. And I think hinging the case on fairness undermines your entire point. Even Iranians would look at the idea with crossed eyes.

    Manifest Destiny?…..LOL

    Manifest destiny was a term made up by a journalist named O’Sullivan in column in favor of the U.S. annexing Texas.

    Manifest destiny was never a doctrine of the US and no one uses it any more except the Jews to make it seem like their Greater Israel designs was like the US manifest destiny.
    Just like you and they, and you are one of they despite your OT pretense, claim the OT influenced US founding documents and made up coined Judeo Christian….their is no lie too far and nothing you wont stretch to pretend to those ‘shared vaues’.

    And the Monroe doctrine as a model for Israel….sure they can tell us to butt out of their affairs as soon as we stop supplying them billions of dollars and protecting them…until then they are our rouge bitch.

    rotflmao..listen you have beyond all reasonable doubt revealed yourself as a Jew…and I dont usually argue with Jews as they don’t have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject…….no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old….so ciao.

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    We could get into a discussion about the etymology and history of the term. But tat would diverting from the point.


    Just a reminder. The issue on the table is whether the US public identifies with Israel or Iran. I have presented the argument analysis and data that supports the conclusion that the US citizen identifies more with Israel than with Iran.

    I used several values as tests. I was challenged by one salient argument as to values and shared commonness. That value was "fairness". My response was to point on the issue of fairness there is substantial doubt that this would change the balance of commonness or shared value based on the principle of destiny. That the contend of a manifest destiny is more reflective of the principle of Israeli expansion by destiny of God -- often referred to as Zionism. No the term commonly referenced today is "american exceptionalism". But all of that is derived from the Monroe Doctrine and "manifest destiny" principle.

    https://www.history.com/topics/manifest-destiny

    Note the expression a horse by any other name. But you keep straining that gnat.


    I further rested that Iranians would consider US policy regarding territory and conclude that the US is like Israel. In other words, even Iranians would claim that the people of the US have more in common with Israel than with Iran.

    Another contend was proffered that noted how many Iranians studied in the US. I indicated that this is proof of the secular (and libertine) western ethos and practice of tolerance for difference. Western ideology also shared more with Israeli Jews comprised primarily (rightly or wrongly) of Europeans.

    All of which extends beyond religious commonality and helps explain why we in the US support Israel in spite differences about what should done regarding Palestine. We certainly have more in common with Israel than Iran.
    ________________

    There were other issues that resolve around the implications of the principle of shared values. Those are separate issues.
    , @jacques sheete

    ....as they don’t have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject…….no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old….so ciao.
     
    So true, and it goes for many subjects. All they know is manure wagon loads of off the wall hysteria, blaming others for what they themselves do or would do, and endless lies.

    No point in even trying to discuss things rationally with the vermin. I've taken a lesson out of their own playbook and mock them whenever they start their primitive braying.

    The one yer answering is so far gone that I no longer read its drivel.
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  177. tac [AKA "jsb"] says:
    @Miro23

    Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.
     
    It seems incredible, but it's actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.

    Not to mention the evidence of having their “art students” infiltrate US officials in some instances in their own homes, and agencies in some instances where the said locations had no street addresses and no street signs.

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    Thanks for the link: "... some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. Many of them were deported. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis -- 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports -- were detained and deported. The "art students" followed a predictable modus operandi. They generally worked in teams, typically consisting of a driver, who was the team leader, and three or four subordinates..."
    -- Compare this to the "Indictment of 13 Trolls" produced by certain Mr. Mueller. -- The same Mr. Mueller who was in charge of the FBI when the "artful" Israelis were caught and deported in 2001. Why there was no publicized investigation and no indictment re the 140 plus 60 Israeli nationals whose suspicious behavior suggested their foreknowledge of the heinous crime? A highly illogical response by the US to this crime (a war of aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq) has eventually made some oilmen, brass, and weapon manufacturers very wealthy, whereas Israel was happy to see its neighbors ruined. The invasion of the Middle East was planned before 9/11 and was spelled quite clearly in both PNAC and Oded Yinon plan.
    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=neoconinfluence&neoconinfluence_neoconservative_think_tanks=neoconinfluence_pnac
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  178. @Rurik

    Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.
     
    by voting his conscience and speaking the truth, I guess

    I've been very disappointed at his son time and again, but I still cling to hope that Rand will one day be a fraction of the man his father is. One thing great about Rand is that John McCain hates his guts, because Rand is always trying to avoid more wars.

    and even move out of the country.
     
    my destiny will eventually lead me off these shores as well.

    As Bobby Fisher said, 'the United States is evil', 'utterly hypocritical and corrupt'.

    and he's right. Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    I love many of the people here, and I love the memories of my childhood home, but what America has become, and is morphing into- is a nightmare. Straight out of the Satanic fetishes of a blood-stained fiend.

    http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Barak_on_BBC-1.jpg

    How do you pay taxes to an institution that you know will use that money to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/a9/47/2ca9475552113c140ac843c71dc6198b.jpg

    ..or Fallujah or Yemen- where the Fiend is currently in a demon's alliance with the Saudis to starve the people into submission to their banal domination.

    It messes with my temperament when everything I see and hear and read is all devil's lies, 24/7.

    I wasn't built like that.

    Perhaps that's one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi's articles so much, because they're a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.

    It's all sinister lies, all day long from the ((controlled)) media and academia and government. And so we all live in this matrix of deceit and moral corruption, and it must effect us all in myriad and unpredictable ways. So I know you're right about Ventura, and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.

    There are a lot of really good people here. The overwhelming majority in fact, but that tiny handful of psychopaths behind the curtain have jaundiced the entire country. Its mood is now one of rancor and bile. Befitting the nature of the ((people)) who have raided its institutions and defiled its character.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    ps, I love George Carlin. An American luminary and legend.

    “Perhaps that’s one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi’s articles so much, because they’re a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.”
    Zionist Mendacity would have been busted a long time ago if their American audience is one that has the motivation or the interest in looking for facts with critical thinking. Alas, the media field in the US is an open front for competing lies where journalistic integrity counts for nothing, spare some brave souls like the late Robert Parry and Seymour Hersh. Yet, when I read your comments, I get some hope that the American conscience can one day resurrect. However, I doubt such a miracle would materialise before a total collapse that would fire the people’s mind into action against their tormentors in the three branches of government and the deep state from behind them.
    “…and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.”
    Well, I have recently met a few American folks in my place of work who have taken the decision to leave and never return. They are trigger happy to feel free from the Zionist control and they have proven to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the American soul is a decent one provided it is set free from the crooked matrix of control that you very well describe.
    I truly admire the depth and decency of your thoughts for your comments can be the grain of an American revival that will grow and blossom to herald a truly golden dawn.

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    wow Joe, I'm humbled and moved.

    I'd love to think that I wasn't wasting my time here, and by your comment I'm buoyed and heartened.

    I don't think Americans are uniquely bovine or apathetic, as nations like Russia and others have also succumbed to the Fiend, as has much of Europe. It's just that as the super-power, we're the ones menacing the planet today. And as it's true that our elites are psychopaths and rotten to the core, the people who work for a living are generally honest and decent. They're just lied to- relentlessly, ubiquitously and all pervasively. And have been for generations now. I too used to believe that our government was basically good, and our institutions basically honest, but then I'm of a naturally inquisitive bent, and with the help of the Internet, discovered that I was very naïve.

    With folks like you and others (many, many very decent people here on Unz for instance and elsewhere).. perhaps there is a long term hope for this nation and even this civilization, but unless we get the 'counterfeiting machine' (the unlimited $ power of the Fed) away from the Fiend, then I'm not too optimistic, alas.

    But at the end of it all, I've got my mind and my soul is intact, and so I try to stay wry enough to never let the bastards get to me, even as I watch with horror at so much of the evil they perpetrate.

    Thank you for your kind words of encouragement Joe. They mean a lot, and it takes one to know one. ;)

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  179. Miro23 says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we’ve made of ourselves and how we’ve extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.
     
    Some, certainly, laugh. I don't, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things, and, in my personal case, for people who are my friends and are very close to me. In general, I don't wish Americans to go through this, so there is no schadenfreude on my part--only concern, plus I am getting to the age when running around with AK-74 is becoming a perspective I do not look forward to--I do treasure my Jack on the rocks with cigar on the porch in my backyard. Apart from the obvious fact that the US is a nuclear superpower and any internal destabilization will have massive negative ramifications for global nuclear stability, there are other dimensions to this whole thing which are not for this thread (Utu mentioned one of those considerations it in one of his posts on the other Saker's thread). In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of "soft landing" for the US and no global war--this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.

    Some, certainly, laugh. I don’t, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things…

    This is the point. When the US goes down, it’s going to produce an earthquake/tsunami of enormous proportions, that’s going to echo around the world, and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war – another awful possibility).

    And, all because of America’s stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960′s onwards, shouting about their “freedoms” and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).

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    and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war – another awful possibility).
     
    The whole so called "global economy" is already in a full transformation mode and it ain't going to stay "global" in Wall Street terminology much longer. This is one of the factors which the US missed by de-industrializng herself and turning herself into FIRE so called "economy". So, the United States either find the way to retool (that is what Trump ran on--MAGA) or she may unleash the actual hot war to as Russian heavy metal Aria sang in 1986 to "break the clock to extend her own life"(c).

    And, all because of America’s stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960′s onwards, shouting about their “freedoms” and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).
     
    Of course they do. Radical individualism some of which grew into libertinism (aka me-me-me) played its horrible role too, but that is not the whole story, albeit the damage so called Baby-boomers did to the US is huge.
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  180. renfro says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    I bet the rest of the world is laughing at the monkeys we’ve made of ourselves and how we’ve extravagantly squandered everything from natural resources to good will.
     
    Some, certainly, laugh. I don't, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things, and, in my personal case, for people who are my friends and are very close to me. In general, I don't wish Americans to go through this, so there is no schadenfreude on my part--only concern, plus I am getting to the age when running around with AK-74 is becoming a perspective I do not look forward to--I do treasure my Jack on the rocks with cigar on the porch in my backyard. Apart from the obvious fact that the US is a nuclear superpower and any internal destabilization will have massive negative ramifications for global nuclear stability, there are other dimensions to this whole thing which are not for this thread (Utu mentioned one of those considerations it in one of his posts on the other Saker's thread). In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of "soft landing" for the US and no global war--this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.

    In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of “soft landing” for the US and no global war–this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.

    Agree. I am lately thinking of adding onto our old pre civil war family held home and farm to accommodate all of the brothers and cousin’ s families in case we need to beat it to a protectable and self sustainable place….. that I am having these thoughts means I have given up on the US righting itself without some chaotic event or giant enema in our government.
    I hope I am wrong.

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    I hope I am wrong.
     
    I also hope that I am wrong too. In fact, that would be one of my happiest mistakes ever, if not the happiest.
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  181. @Miro23

    Some, certainly, laugh. I don’t, because I have a good idea what a collapse (different versions of it) of such a country as the US may entail both in a larger scheme of things...
     
    This is the point. When the US goes down, it's going to produce an earthquake/tsunami of enormous proportions, that's going to echo around the world, and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war - another awful possibility).

    And, all because of America's stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960's onwards, shouting about their "freedoms" and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).

    and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war – another awful possibility).

    The whole so called “global economy” is already in a full transformation mode and it ain’t going to stay “global” in Wall Street terminology much longer. This is one of the factors which the US missed by de-industrializng herself and turning herself into FIRE so called “economy”. So, the United States either find the way to retool (that is what Trump ran on–MAGA) or she may unleash the actual hot war to as Russian heavy metal Aria sang in 1986 to “break the clock to extend her own life”(c).

    And, all because of America’s stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960′s onwards, shouting about their “freedoms” and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).

    Of course they do. Radical individualism some of which grew into libertinism (aka me-me-me) played its horrible role too, but that is not the whole story, albeit the damage so called Baby-boomers did to the US is huge.

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    The whole so called “global economy” is already in a full transformation mode and it ain’t going to stay “global” in Wall Street terminology much longer.
     
    I see that as well. While the US wallows in the same old sick behavior, the world progresses on.

    The pigs squeal and sh!t all over the place, and the caravan marches on.
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  182. @EliteCommInc.
    The gentleman is obviously happy about something. Whether it has anything to do with Arabs or that his eldest daughter is finally getting married is unknown to me.

    Hi Elite,

    Get on the ball!

    The happy dancer is Sam Shama doing a jig in Rao’s backroom after his learning how Secretary Mnuchin told Kim whose really in-charge on the Korean peninsula.

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    Laugh.

    I have to remain where I came in --

    I have no idea why he is dancing and the video gives no clue.
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  183. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    As previously observed, the case of 9/11 and who is responsible remains open. There are attorneys more than willing to accept any evidence against responsible parties, in their lawsuits

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP. I have no issues holding anyone responsible to account.

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP.

    like the evidence of WMD?

    or the ‘sexed up dossier?

    or the USS Liberty’s mistaken identity?

    when it comes to 9/11, isn’t it curious that the PTB immediately removed all the forensic evidence of the worst crime committed on US soil, not to mention the most fantastic simultaneous vaporization of a modern skyscraper’s steel beams/structure, and sent it all to China to be melted down before an investigation could be conducted?

    Isn’t that a bit curious?

    just like the curious way all these beams were magically cut, as if by thermite

    isn’t that odd?

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    As I said, there are avenues to submit your case. I encourage you to do so.

    sincerely.

    I cannot describe my level of disturbance regarding the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel and is cause alone to treat Israel with some suspicion. And their glad-handing over a recently released spy, who as I understand seriously comprised the US as well as cost the lives of US service personnel. But I have made that clear weeks ago.

    , @jacques sheete
    Hey Rurik, don't you know those pics have been photoshopped? Wink, wink!

    (And the attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake, and the Protocols are a forgery.)

    ;)
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  184. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    The gentleman is obviously happy about something. Whether it has anything to do with Arabs or that his eldest daughter is finally getting married is unknown to me.

    The gentleman is obviously happy about something.

    yes, because he’s dancing around

    and that’s what you do when you’re ecstatic, you dance with joy..

    just like you would if you just watched a passenger jet full of people plow into the side of a building – slaughtering untold numbers of men, women and children.

    You would of course dance and high-five your buddies and celebrate with ecstasy and joy at such a scene! No?

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    Highly unlikely that either is accurate.

    We rescue ants and spiders around here.

    Doubtful, I would applaud said destruction, my enemies maybe, but even that s doubtful.
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  185. @renfro

    In general, the best we all can hope for at this juncture is some kind of “soft landing” for the US and no global war–this is minimum at this stage. Not the best but much better than mushroom cloud on the horizon. The best outcome, of course, would have been court martial for neocons and their cabal for state treason and violation of the US Constitution as a starting point but I am being too unrealistic.
     
    Agree. I am lately thinking of adding onto our old pre civil war family held home and farm to accommodate all of the brothers and cousin' s families in case we need to beat it to a protectable and self sustainable place..... that I am having these thoughts means I have given up on the US righting itself without some chaotic event or giant enema in our government.
    I hope I am wrong.

    I hope I am wrong.

    I also hope that I am wrong too. In fact, that would be one of my happiest mistakes ever, if not the happiest.

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  186. @renfro
    Manifest Destiny?.....LOL

    Manifest destiny was a term made up by a journalist named O'Sullivan in column in favor of the U.S. annexing Texas.

    Manifest destiny was never a doctrine of the US and no one uses it any more except the Jews to make it seem like their Greater Israel designs was like the US manifest destiny.
    Just like you and they, and you are one of they despite your OT pretense, claim the OT influenced US founding documents and made up coined Judeo Christian....their is no lie too far and nothing you wont stretch to pretend to those 'shared vaues'.

    And the Monroe doctrine as a model for Israel....sure they can tell us to butt out of their affairs as soon as we stop supplying them billions of dollars and protecting them...until then they are our rouge bitch.

    rotflmao..listen you have beyond all reasonable doubt revealed yourself as a Jew...and I dont usually argue with Jews as they don't have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject.......no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old....so ciao.

    We could get into a discussion about the etymology and history of the term. But tat would diverting from the point.

    Just a reminder. The issue on the table is whether the US public identifies with Israel or Iran. I have presented the argument analysis and data that supports the conclusion that the US citizen identifies more with Israel than with Iran.

    I used several values as tests. I was challenged by one salient argument as to values and shared commonness. That value was “fairness”. My response was to point on the issue of fairness there is substantial doubt that this would change the balance of commonness or shared value based on the principle of destiny. That the contend of a manifest destiny is more reflective of the principle of Israeli expansion by destiny of God — often referred to as Zionism. No the term commonly referenced today is “american exceptionalism”. But all of that is derived from the Monroe Doctrine and “manifest destiny” principle.

    https://www.history.com/topics/manifest-destiny

    Note the expression a horse by any other name. But you keep straining that gnat.

    I further rested that Iranians would consider US policy regarding territory and conclude that the US is like Israel. In other words, even Iranians would claim that the people of the US have more in common with Israel than with Iran.

    Another contend was proffered that noted how many Iranians studied in the US. I indicated that this is proof of the secular (and libertine) western ethos and practice of tolerance for difference. Western ideology also shared more with Israeli Jews comprised primarily (rightly or wrongly) of Europeans.

    All of which extends beyond religious commonality and helps explain why we in the US support Israel in spite differences about what should done regarding Palestine. We certainly have more in common with Israel than Iran.
    ________________

    There were other issues that resolve around the implications of the principle of shared values. Those are separate issues.

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  187. Rurik says:
    @Miro23

    Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.
     
    It seems incredible, but it's actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.

    It seems incredible, but it’s actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.

    not that there isn’t ample precedent

    I’m reminded of how Woodrow Wilson told the Germans of his Fourteen Points based on national self-determination, in order to get them to disarm for armistice talks, and then once they were disarmed, set about starving them en masse to force them to sign their citizens over to slavery.

    Or how the ZUS calculated the death by fire of the denizens of Dresden, after the war was won.

    Eisenhower’s death camps, and John McCain betraying Vietnam POWs

    enough sinister treachery to benumb the soul

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    Rurik:

    My reply @176 was meant for your comment @150. Check you the links they are very interesting reads, especially the last one...

    Here is an excerpt from the last link:


    "In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials..."

    Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups.
    ...

    So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane's Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: "It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks -- the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA."
     

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  188. If I recall correctly, aren’t you a Roman Catholic? Do you accept black/Asian priests-popes?

    None of that is any or your business nor is it relevant. Flake off.

    You have a helluva lot of chutzpah to say Muslims have bizarre sexual proclivities.

    …metzitzah b’peh, in which the practitioner, or mohel, places his mouth around the baby’s penis to “cleanse” the wound and suck away blood,

    “… this practice … that included 13 cases of herpes, with two resulting in brain damage and two others in death, according to Medical Daily.”

    http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/04/08/two-infants-contract-herpes-following-circumcision-one-tests-positive-for-hiv/

    You and your ilk need to get with the program yourselves and stop pointing your crooked fingers at others. I’ve developed zero tolerance for scum, thank you very much!

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  189. @Rurik

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP.
     
    like the evidence of WMD?

    or the 'sexed up dossier?

    or the USS Liberty's mistaken identity?

    when it comes to 9/11, isn't it curious that the PTB immediately removed all the forensic evidence of the worst crime committed on US soil, not to mention the most fantastic simultaneous vaporization of a modern skyscraper's steel beams/structure, and sent it all to China to be melted down before an investigation could be conducted?

    Isn't that a bit curious?

    https://jayinreallife.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/9-11-thermate-beams.jpg

    just like the curious way all these beams were magically cut, as if by thermite

    isn't that odd?

    As I said, there are avenues to submit your case. I encourage you to do so.

    sincerely.

    I cannot describe my level of disturbance regarding the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel and is cause alone to treat Israel with some suspicion. And their glad-handing over a recently released spy, who as I understand seriously comprised the US as well as cost the lives of US service personnel. But I have made that clear weeks ago.

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  190. @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Elite,

    Get on the ball!

    The happy dancer is Sam Shama doing a jig in Rao's backroom after his learning how Secretary Mnuchin told Kim whose really in-charge on the Korean peninsula.

    Laugh.

    I have to remain where I came in –

    I have no idea why he is dancing and the video gives no clue.

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  191. Rurik says:
    @Joe Levantine
    "Perhaps that’s one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi’s articles so much, because they’re a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity."
    Zionist Mendacity would have been busted a long time ago if their American audience is one that has the motivation or the interest in looking for facts with critical thinking. Alas, the media field in the US is an open front for competing lies where journalistic integrity counts for nothing, spare some brave souls like the late Robert Parry and Seymour Hersh. Yet, when I read your comments, I get some hope that the American conscience can one day resurrect. However, I doubt such a miracle would materialise before a total collapse that would fire the people's mind into action against their tormentors in the three branches of government and the deep state from behind them.
    "...and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy."
    Well, I have recently met a few American folks in my place of work who have taken the decision to leave and never return. They are trigger happy to feel free from the Zionist control and they have proven to me beyond a shadow of doubt that the American soul is a decent one provided it is set free from the crooked matrix of control that you very well describe.
    I truly admire the depth and decency of your thoughts for your comments can be the grain of an American revival that will grow and blossom to herald a truly golden dawn.

    wow Joe, I’m humbled and moved.

    I’d love to think that I wasn’t wasting my time here, and by your comment I’m buoyed and heartened.

    I don’t think Americans are uniquely bovine or apathetic, as nations like Russia and others have also succumbed to the Fiend, as has much of Europe. It’s just that as the super-power, we’re the ones menacing the planet today. And as it’s true that our elites are psychopaths and rotten to the core, the people who work for a living are generally honest and decent. They’re just lied to- relentlessly, ubiquitously and all pervasively. And have been for generations now. I too used to believe that our government was basically good, and our institutions basically honest, but then I’m of a naturally inquisitive bent, and with the help of the Internet, discovered that I was very naïve.

    With folks like you and others (many, many very decent people here on Unz for instance and elsewhere).. perhaps there is a long term hope for this nation and even this civilization, but unless we get the ‘counterfeiting machine’ (the unlimited $ power of the Fed) away from the Fiend, then I’m not too optimistic, alas.

    But at the end of it all, I’ve got my mind and my soul is intact, and so I try to stay wry enough to never let the bastards get to me, even as I watch with horror at so much of the evil they perpetrate.

    Thank you for your kind words of encouragement Joe. They mean a lot, and it takes one to know one. ;)

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  192. @Rurik

    The gentleman is obviously happy about something.
     
    yes, because he's dancing around

    and that's what you do when you're ecstatic, you dance with joy..

    just like you would if you just watched a passenger jet full of people plow into the side of a building - slaughtering untold numbers of men, women and children.

    You would of course dance and high-five your buddies and celebrate with ecstasy and joy at such a scene! No?

    Highly unlikely that either is accurate.

    We rescue ants and spiders around here.

    Doubtful, I would applaud said destruction, my enemies maybe, but even that s doubtful.

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    my enemies maybe
     
    well...
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  193. @renfro
    Manifest Destiny?.....LOL

    Manifest destiny was a term made up by a journalist named O'Sullivan in column in favor of the U.S. annexing Texas.

    Manifest destiny was never a doctrine of the US and no one uses it any more except the Jews to make it seem like their Greater Israel designs was like the US manifest destiny.
    Just like you and they, and you are one of they despite your OT pretense, claim the OT influenced US founding documents and made up coined Judeo Christian....their is no lie too far and nothing you wont stretch to pretend to those 'shared vaues'.

    And the Monroe doctrine as a model for Israel....sure they can tell us to butt out of their affairs as soon as we stop supplying them billions of dollars and protecting them...until then they are our rouge bitch.

    rotflmao..listen you have beyond all reasonable doubt revealed yourself as a Jew...and I dont usually argue with Jews as they don't have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject.......no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old....so ciao.

    ….as they don’t have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject…….no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old….so ciao.

    So true, and it goes for many subjects. All they know is manure wagon loads of off the wall hysteria, blaming others for what they themselves do or would do, and endless lies.

    No point in even trying to discuss things rationally with the vermin. I’ve taken a lesson out of their own playbook and mock them whenever they start their primitive braying.

    The one yer answering is so far gone that I no longer read its drivel.

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    The one yer answering is so far gone that I no longer read its drivel.
     
    So right , I'm going to take my own advice and quit throwing bananas to the monkey.
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  194. tac [AKA "jsb"] says:
    @Rurik

    It seems incredible, but it’s actually happening. American political cowardice is almost beyond belief.
     
    not that there isn't ample precedent

    I'm reminded of how Woodrow Wilson told the Germans of his Fourteen Points based on national self-determination, in order to get them to disarm for armistice talks, and then once they were disarmed, set about starving them en masse to force them to sign their citizens over to slavery.

    Or how the ZUS calculated the death by fire of the denizens of Dresden, after the war was won.

    Eisenhower's death camps, and John McCain betraying Vietnam POWs

    enough sinister treachery to benumb the soul

    http://galleria.thule-italia.com/wp-content/gallery/damsleth/dams25.jpg

    Rurik:

    My reply @176 was meant for your comment @150. Check you the links they are very interesting reads, especially the last one…

    Here is an excerpt from the last link:

    “In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the “students” had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials…”

    Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of “art student” encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to “DEA groups.

    So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane’s Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: “It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks — the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA.”

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    “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEOecRtBU7U
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  195. @Rurik

    Ron Paul still has me believing he’s a good guy, but I don’t see how a good person can realistically believe it makes sense to work within the utterly corrupt and contemptuous system we’ve had since at least 1913.
     
    by voting his conscience and speaking the truth, I guess

    I've been very disappointed at his son time and again, but I still cling to hope that Rand will one day be a fraction of the man his father is. One thing great about Rand is that John McCain hates his guts, because Rand is always trying to avoid more wars.

    and even move out of the country.
     
    my destiny will eventually lead me off these shores as well.

    As Bobby Fisher said, 'the United States is evil', 'utterly hypocritical and corrupt'.

    and he's right. Especially after 9/11, we can see just how evil and utterly corrupt it is, as the entire ZUS establishment aligns behind the murderers, and uses 9/11 as a pretext to commit war crimes and atrocities all over the planet.

    I love many of the people here, and I love the memories of my childhood home, but what America has become, and is morphing into- is a nightmare. Straight out of the Satanic fetishes of a blood-stained fiend.

    http://tapnewswire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Barak_on_BBC-1.jpg

    How do you pay taxes to an institution that you know will use that money to drop white phosphorus on children in Gaza

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/2c/a9/47/2ca9475552113c140ac843c71dc6198b.jpg

    ..or Fallujah or Yemen- where the Fiend is currently in a demon's alliance with the Saudis to starve the people into submission to their banal domination.

    It messes with my temperament when everything I see and hear and read is all devil's lies, 24/7.

    I wasn't built like that.

    Perhaps that's one reason I enjoy Mr. Giraldi's articles so much, because they're a welcome and refreshing refuge of truth, in a world permeated with the stench of Zionist mendacity.

    It's all sinister lies, all day long from the ((controlled)) media and academia and government. And so we all live in this matrix of deceit and moral corruption, and it must effect us all in myriad and unpredictable ways. So I know you're right about Ventura, and I too am working on getting my affairs in order to escape this ZUS prison of Orwellian depravity and villainy.

    There are a lot of really good people here. The overwhelming majority in fact, but that tiny handful of psychopaths behind the curtain have jaundiced the entire country. Its mood is now one of rancor and bile. Befitting the nature of the ((people)) who have raided its institutions and defiled its character.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    ps, I love George Carlin. An American luminary and legend.

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.

    I agree with all. Every word of it.

    How anyone can look at the pic of the little girl and not feel ineffably disgusted with the perps is beyond me. And we have the Izzy first jackals and their scum votaries who are filthy enough to come here and brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I’m not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.

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    brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I’m not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.

     

    I remember perusing Freerepublic.com around the time Rachel Corrie was murdered, and I remember the giggly snide was off the charts, and it seemed to me to come more from the goyim hyenas than even from the tribe, (not that you can always be sure who is who)

    here's the latest thread about her at that site

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3256945/posts

    "Saint Pancake"

    "HA ha!!!"

    "She's missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup."

    and on and on...

    an idealistic young American woman understandably outraged over the cruel injustices meted out to the Palestinians by the Jewish supremacists, who shoot their children for target practice, and gloat about it.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/19/1400508343884/Rachel-Corrie-012.jpg

    but she was too idealistic to comprehend pure evil, the kind that would drive a bulldozer over a young women, and then back it up again for another pass, just to be certain.

    http://pembelamelayu2009.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/rachel_corrie_memorium.jpg
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  196. @Andrei Martyanov

    and break the whole integrated global economy (even without a world war – another awful possibility).
     
    The whole so called "global economy" is already in a full transformation mode and it ain't going to stay "global" in Wall Street terminology much longer. This is one of the factors which the US missed by de-industrializng herself and turning herself into FIRE so called "economy". So, the United States either find the way to retool (that is what Trump ran on--MAGA) or she may unleash the actual hot war to as Russian heavy metal Aria sang in 1986 to "break the clock to extend her own life"(c).

    And, all because of America’s stupid leftist Counter Culturals, from the 1960′s onwards, shouting about their “freedoms” and destroying their inheritance. Now they are pathetically expecting the country to pay their pensions (if somebody can find the money).
     
    Of course they do. Radical individualism some of which grew into libertinism (aka me-me-me) played its horrible role too, but that is not the whole story, albeit the damage so called Baby-boomers did to the US is huge.

    The whole so called “global economy” is already in a full transformation mode and it ain’t going to stay “global” in Wall Street terminology much longer.

    I see that as well. While the US wallows in the same old sick behavior, the world progresses on.

    The pigs squeal and sh!t all over the place, and the caravan marches on.

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  197. @Rurik

    I would encourage you to provide any such evidence to them ASAP.
     
    like the evidence of WMD?

    or the 'sexed up dossier?

    or the USS Liberty's mistaken identity?

    when it comes to 9/11, isn't it curious that the PTB immediately removed all the forensic evidence of the worst crime committed on US soil, not to mention the most fantastic simultaneous vaporization of a modern skyscraper's steel beams/structure, and sent it all to China to be melted down before an investigation could be conducted?

    Isn't that a bit curious?

    https://jayinreallife.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/9-11-thermate-beams.jpg

    just like the curious way all these beams were magically cut, as if by thermite

    isn't that odd?

    Hey Rurik, don’t you know those pics have been photoshopped? Wink, wink!

    (And the attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake, and the Protocols are a forgery.)

    ;)

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    The Protocols indeed where written on request of the tzarist secret police.

    " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the Jews for the country's ills. It was first privately printed in 1897 and was made public in 1905. It is copied from a nineteenth century novel by Hermann Goedsche (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the world.

    The basic story was composed by Goedsche, a German novelist and anti-Semite who used the pseudonym of Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from another writer, Maurice Joly, whose Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing Napoleon III. Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of introducing Jews to do the plotting to take over the world.

    The Russians used big chunks of a Russian translation of Goedsche's novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and claimed they were authentic. Their purpose was political: to strengthen the czar Nicholas II's position by exposing his opponents as allies with those who were part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world. Thus, the Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.

    The Protocols were exposed as a forgery by Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey and the Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (London: Press Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies, 1920). In 1921, Philip Grave, a correspondent for the London Times, publicized the forgery. Herman Bernstein in The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete Exposure (1935) also tried and failed to convince the world of the forgery.

    The Protocols were published in 1920 in a Michigan newspaper started by Henry Ford mainly to attack Jews and Communists. Even after they were exposed as a forgery, Ford's paper continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later used the Protocols to help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during World War II.
    The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is still cited by certain individuals and groups as the cause of all their woes.

    See related entries on Holocaust denial, the Illuminati and shoehorning.

    further reading
    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
    What's the story with the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"? The Straight Dope
    Bronner, Stephen Eric. A Rumor About the Jews : Reflections on Antisemitism and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (St Martins Press, 2000)
    Cohn, Norman Rufus Colin. Warrant for Genocide; the Myth of the Jewish World-conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (New York: Harper & Row, 1967).
    Goldberg, Isaac. The so-called "Protocols of the Elders of Zion"; a Definitive Exposure of One of the Most Malicious Lies in History (Girard, Kansas, Haldeman-Julius Publications, 1936).
    Segel, B. W. A Lie and a Libel: the History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Richard S. Levy, translator & editor, (Lincoln, NE : University of Nebraska Press, 1995).
    United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on the Judiciary.
    Protocols of the Elders of Zion; a fabricated "historic" document; a report prepared by the Subcommittee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws ... Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1964.
    Wolf, Lucien. The Myth of the Jewish Menace in World Affairs; or, The Truth About the Forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion (New York, The Macmillan company, 1921). "

    So far the quote.
    I never saw anything that proves that Hitler used the Protocols.

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  198. annamaria says:
    @renfro

    depart as per the established boundaries set by the US.
     
    Dear weird one the US does not set boundaries for Israel. The UN did that and the fact that it has not adhered to those boundaries is why it has 259 UN resolutions against it. It would take me an hour to count all the violations to Res 181 by Israel.

    UN Resolution 181
    Partition of Palestine

    PART II

    Boundaries 5/

    A. THE ARAB STATE

    The area of the Arab State in Western Galilee is bounded on the west by the Mediterranean and on the north by the frontier of the Lebanon from Ras en Naqura to a point north of Saliha. From there the boundary proceeds southwards, leaving the built-up area of Saliha in the Arab State, to join the southernmost point of this village. Thence it follows the western boundary line of the villages of `Alma, Rihaniya and Teitaba, thence following the northern boundary line of Meirun village to join the Acre-Safad sub-district boundary line. It follows this line to a point west of Es Sammu'i village and joins it again at the northernmost point of Farradiya. Thence it follows the sub-district boundary line to the Acre-Safad main road. From here it follows the western boundary of Kafr I'nan village until it reaches the Tiberias-Acre sub-district boundary line, passing to the west of the junction of the Acre-Safad and Lubiya-Kafr I'nan roads. From south-west corner of Kafr I'nan village the boundary line follows the western boundary of the Tiberias sub-district to a point close to the boundary line between the villages of Maghar and Eilabun, thence bulging out to the west to include as much of the eastern part of the plain of Battuf as is necessary for the reservoir proposed by the Jewish Agency for the irrigation of lands to the south and east.

    The boundary rejoins the Tiberias sub-district boundary at a point on the Nazareth-Tiberias road south-east of the built-up area of Tur'an; thence it runs southwards, at first following the sub-district boundary and then passing between the Kadoorie Agricultural School and Mount Tabor, to a point due south at the base of Mount Tabor. From here it runs due west, parallel to the horizontal grid line 230, to the north-east corner of the village lands of Tel Adashim. It then runs to the north-west corner of these lands, whence it turns south and west so as to include in the Arab State the sources of the Nazareth water supply in Yafa village. On reaching Ginneiger it follows the eastern, northern and western boundaries of the lands of this village to their south-west corner, whence it proceeds in a straight line to a point on the Haifa-Afula railway on the boundary between the villages of Sarid and El Mujeidil. This is the point of intersection.

    The south-western boundary of the area of the Arab State in Galilee takes a line from this point, passing northwards along the eastern boundaries of Sarid and Gevat to the north-eastern corner of Nahalal, proceeding thence across the land of Kefar ha Horesh to a central point on the southern boundary of the village of `Ilut, thence westwards along that village boundary to the eastern boundary of Beit Lahm, thence northwards and north-eastwards along its western boundary to the north-eastern corner of Waldheim and thence north-westwards across the village lands of Shafa 'Amr to the south-eastern corner of Ramat Yohanan'. From here it runs due north-north-east to a point on the Shafa 'Amr-Haifa road, west of its junction with the road to I'Billin. From there it proceeds north-east to a point on the southern boundary of I'Billin situated to the west of the I'Billin-Birwa road. Thence along that boundary to its westernmost point, whence it turns to the north, follows across the village land of Tamra to the north-westernmost corner and along the western boundary of Julis until it reaches the Acre-Safad road. It then runs westwards along the southern side of the Safad-Acre road to the Galilee-Haifa District boundary, from which point it follows that boundary to the sea.

    The boundary of the hill country of Samaria and Judea starts on the Jordan River at the Wadi Malih south-east of Beisan and runs due west to meet the Beisan-Jericho road and then follows the western side of that road in a north-westerly direction to the junction of the boundaries of the sub-districts of Beisan, Nablus, and Jenin. From that point it follows the Nablus-Jenin sub-district boundary westwards for a distance of about three kilometres and then turns north-westwards, passing to the east of the built-up areas of the villages of Jalbun and Faqqu'a, to the boundary of the sub-districts of Jenin and Beisan at a point north-east of Nuris. Thence it proceeds first north-westwards to a point due north of the built-up area of Zir'in and then westwards to the Afula-Jenin railway, thence north-westwards along the district boundary line to the point of intersection on the Hejaz railway. From here the boundary runs south-westwards, including the built-up area and some of the land of the village of Kh.Lid in the Arab State to cross the Haifa-Jenin road at a point on the district boundary between Haifa and Samaria west of El Mansi. It follows this boundary to the southernmost point of the village of El Buteimat. From here it follows the northern and eastern boundaries of the village of Ar'ara, rejoining the Haifa-Samaria district boundary at Wadi'Ara, and thence proceeding south-south-westwards in an approximately straight line joining up with the western boundary of Qaqun to a point east of the railway line on the eastern boundary of Qaqun village. From here it runs along the railway line some distance to the east of it to a point just east of the Tulkarm railway station. Thence the boundary follows a line half-way between the railway and the Tulkarm-Qalqiliya-Jaljuliya and Ras el Ein road to a point just east of Ras el Ein station, whence it proceeds along the railway some distance to the east of it to the point on the railway line south of the junction of the Haifa-Lydda and Beit Nabala lines, whence it proceeds along the southern border of Lydda airport to its south-west corner, thence in a south-westerly direction to a point just west of the built-up area of Sarafand el'Amar, whence it turns south, passing just to the west of the built-up area of Abu el Fadil to the north-east corner of the lands of Beer Ya'Aqov. (The boundary line should be so demarcated as to allow direct access from the Arab State to the airport.) Thence the boundary line follows the western and southern boundaries of Ramle village, to the north-east corner of El Na'ana village, thence in a straight line to the southernmost point of El Barriya, along the eastern boundary of that village and the southern boundary of 'Innaba village. Thence it turns north to follow the southern side of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road until El Qubab, whence it follows the road to the boundary of Abu Shusha. It runs along the eastern boundaries of Abu Shusha, Seidun, Hulda to the southernmost point of Hulda, thence westwards in a straight line to the north-eastern corner of Umm Kalkha, thence following the northern boundaries of Umm Kalkha, Qazaza and the northern and western boundaries of Mukhezin to the Gaza District boundary and thence runs across the village lands of El Mismiya, El Kabira, and Yasur to the southern point of intersection, which is midway between the built-up areas of Yasur and Batani Sharqi.

    From the southern point of intersection the boundary lines run north-westwards between the villages of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the sea at a point half way between Nabi Yunis and Minat el Qila, and south-eastwards to a point west of Qastina, whence it turns in a south-westerly direction, passing to the east of the built-up areas of Es Sawafir, Es Sharqiya and Ibdis. From the south-east corner of Ibdis village it runs to a point south-west of the built-up area of Beit 'Affa, crossing the Hebron-El Majdal road just to the west of the built-up area of Iraq Suweidan. Thence it proceeds southwards along the western village boundary of El Faluja to the Beersheba sub-district boundary. It then runs across the tribal lands of 'Arab el Jubarat to a point on the boundary between the sub-districts of Beersheba and Hebron north of Kh. Khuweilifa, whence it proceeds in a south-westerly direction to a point on the Beersheba-Gaza main road two kilometres to the north-west of the town. It then turns south-eastwards to reach Wadi Sab' at a point situated one kilometre to the west of it. From here it turns north-eastwards and proceeds along Wadi Sab' and along the Beersheba-Hebron road for a distance of one kilometre, whence it turns eastwards and runs in a straight line to Kh. Kuseifa to join the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary. It then follows the Beersheba-Hebron boundary eastwards to a point north of Ras Ez Zuweira, only departing from it so as to cut across the base of the indentation between vertical grid lines 150 and 160.

    About five kilometres north-east of Ras ez Zuweira it turns north, excluding from the Arab State a strip along the coast of the Dead Sea not more than seven kilometres in depth, as far as Ein Geddi, whence it turns due east to join the Transjordan frontier in the Dead Sea.

    The northern boundary of the Arab section of the coastal plain runs from a point between Minat el Qila and Nabi Yunis, passing between the built-up areas of Gan Yavne and Barqa to the point of intersection. From here it turns south-westwards, running across the lands of Batani Sharqi, along the eastern boundary of the lands of Beit Daras and across the lands of Julis, leaving the built-up areas of Batani Sharqi and Julis to the westwards, as far as the north-west corner of the lands of Beit Tima. Thence it runs east of El Jiya across the village lands of El Barbara along the eastern boundaries of the villages of Beit Jirja, Deir Suneid and Dimra. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Dimra the boundary passes across the lands of Beit Hanun, leaving the Jewish lands of Nir-Am to the eastwards. From the south-east corner of Beit Hanun the line runs south-west to a point south of the parallel grid line 100, then turns north-west for two kilometres, turning again in a south-westerly direction and continuing in an almost straight line to the north-west corner of the village lands of Kirbet Ikhza'a. From there it follows the boundary line of this village to its southernmost point. It then runs in a southernly direction along the vertical grid line 90 to its junction with the horizontal grid line 70. It then turns south-eastwards to Kh. el Ruheiba and then proceeds in a southerly direction to a point known as El Baha, beyond which it crosses the Beersheba-El 'Auja main road to the west of Kh. el Mushrifa. From there it joins Wadi El Zaiyatin just to the west of El Subeita. From there it turns to the north-east and then to the south-east following this Wadi and passes to the east of 'Abda to join Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh. It then bulges to the south-west along Wadi Nafkh, Wadi Ajrim and Wadi Lassan to the point where Wadi Lassan crosses the Egyptian frontier.

    The area of the Arab enclave of Jaffa consists of that part of the town-planning area of Jaffa which lies to the west of the Jewish quarters lying south of Tel-Aviv, to the west of the continuation of Herzl street up to its junction with the Jaffa-Jerusalem road, to the south-west of the section of the Jaffa-Jerusalem road lying south-east of that junction, to the west of Miqve Israel lands, to the north-west of Holon local council area, to the north of the line linking up the north-west corner of Holon with the north-east corner of Bat Yam local council area and to the north of Bat Yam local council area. The question of Karton quarter will be decided by the Boundary Commission, bearing in mind among other considerations the desirability of including the smallest possible number of its Arab inhabitants and the largest possible number of its Jewish inhabitants in the Jewish State.


    B. THE JEWISH STATE

    The north-eastern sector of the Jewish State (Eastern) Galilee) is bounded on the north and west by the Lebanese frontier and on the east by the frontiers of Syria and Transjordan. It includes the whole of the Hula Basin, Lake Tiberias, the whole of the Beisan sub-district, the boundary line being extended to the crest of the Gilboa mountains and the Wadi Malih. From there the Jewish State extends north-west, following the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Jewish Section of the coastal plain extends from a point between Minat et Qila and Nabi Yunis in the Gaza sub-district and includes the towns of Haifa and Tel-Aviv, leaving Jaffa as an enclave of the Arab State. The eastern frontier of the Jewish State follows the boundary described in respect of the Arab State.

    The Beersheba area comprises the whole of the Beersheba sub-district, including the Negeb and the eastern part of the Gaza sub-district, but excluding the town of Beersheba and those areas described in respect of the Arab State. It includes also a strip of land along the Dead Sea stretching from the Beersheba-Hebron sub-district boundary line to Ein Geddi, as described in respect of the Arab State.


    C. THE CITY OF JERUSALEM

    The boundaries of the City of Jerusalem are as defined in the recommendations on the City of Jerusalem. (See Part III, Section B, below).

    PART III

    City of Jerusalem


    A. SPECIAL REGIME


    The City of Jerusalem shall be established as a corpus separatum under a special international regime and shall be administered by the United Nations. The Trusteeship Council shall be designated to discharge the responsibilities of the Administering Authority on behalf of the United Nations.


    B. BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY

    The City of Jerusalem shall include the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem; the most western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, as indicated on the attached sketch-map (annex B).


    C. STATUTE OF THE CITY

    The Trusteeship Council shall, within five months of the approval of the present plan, elaborate and approve a detailed Statute of the City which shall contain inter alia the substance of the following provisions:

    1. Government machinery; special objectives. The Administering Authority in discharging its administrative obligations shall pursue the following special objectives:

    (a) To protect and to preserve the unique spiritual and religious interests located in the city of the three great monotheistic faiths throughout the world, Christian, Jewish and Moslem; to this end to ensure that order and peace, and especially religious peace, reign in Jerusalem;

    (b) To foster co-operation among all the inhabitants of the city in their own interests as well as in order to encourage and support the peaceful development of the mutual relations between the two Palestinian peoples throughout the Holy Land; to promote the security, well-being and any constructive measures of development of the residents, having regard to the special circumstances and customs of the various peoples and communities.

    2. Governor and administrative staff. A Governor of the City of Jerusalem shall be appointed by the Trusteeship Council and shall be responsible to it. He shall be selected on the basis of special qualifications and without regard to nationality. He shall not, however, be a citizen of either State in Palestine.

    The Governor shall represent the United Nations in the City and shall exercise on their behalf all powers of administration, including the conduct of external affairs. He shall be assisted by an administrative staff classed as international officers in the meaning of Article 100 of the Charter and chosen whenever practicable from the residents of the city and of the rest of Palestine on a non-discriminatory basis. A detailed plan for the organization of the administration of the city shall be submitted by the Governor to the Trusteeship Council and duly approved by it.

    3. Local autonomy. (a) The existing local autonomous units in the territory of the city (villages, townships and municipalities) shall enjoy wide powers of local government and administration.

    (b) The Governor shall study and submit for the consideration and decision of the Trusteeship Council a plan for the establishment of a special town units consisting respectively, of the Jewish and Arab sections of new Jerusalem. The new town units shall continue to form part of the present municipality of Jerusalem.

    4. Security measures. (a) The City of Jerusalem shall be demilitarized; its neutrality shall be declared and preserved, and no para-military formations, exercises or activities shall be permitted within its borders.

    (b) Should the administration of the City of Jerusalem be seriously obstructed or prevented by the non-co-operation or interference of one or more sections of the population, the Governor shall have authority to take such measures as may be necessary to restore the effective functioning of the administration.

    (c) To assist in the maintenance of internal law and order and especially for the protection of the Holy Places and religious buildings and sites in the city, the Governor shall organize a special police force of adequate strength, the members of which shall be recruited outside of Palestine. The Governor shall be empowered to direct such budgetary provision as may be necessary for the maintenance of this force.

    5. Legislative organization. A Legislative Council, elected by adult residents of the city irrespective of nationality on the basis of universal and secret suffrage and proportional representation, shall have powers of legislation and taxation. No legislative measures shall, however, conflict or interfere with the provisions which will be set forth in the Statute of the City, nor shall any law, regulation, or official action prevail over them. The Statute shall grant to the Governor a right of vetoing bills inconsistent with the provisions referred to in the preceding sentence. It shall also empower him to promulgate temporary ordinances in case the council fails to adopt in time a bill deemed essential to the normal functioning of the administration.

    6. Administration of justice. The Statute shall provide for the establishment of an independent judiciary system, including a court of appeal. All the inhabitants of the City shall be subject to it.

    7. Economic union and economic regime. The City of Jerusalem shall be included in the Economic Union of Palestine and be bound by all stipulations of the undertaking and of any treaties issued therefrom, as well as by the decision of the Joint Economic Board. The headquarters of the Economic Board shall be established in the territory of the City.

    The Statute shall provide for the regulation of economic matters not falling within the regime of the Economic Union, on the basis of equal treatment and non-discrimination for all members of the United Nations and their nationals.

    8. Freedom of transit and visit; control of residents. Subject to considerations of security, and of economic welfare as determined by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council, freedom of entry into, and residence within, the borders of the City shall be guaranteed for the residents or citizens of the Arab and Jewish States. Immigration into, and residence within, the borders of the city for nationals of other States shall be controlled by the Governor under the directions of the Trusteeship Council.

    9. Relations with the Arab and Jewish States. Representatives of the Arab and Jewish States shall be accredited to the Governor of the City and charged with the protection of the interests of their States and nationals in connexion with the international administration of the City.

    10. Official languages. Arabic and Hebrew shall be the official languages of the city. This will not preclude the adoption of one or more additional working languages, as may be required.

    11. Citizenship. All the residents shall become ipso facto citizens of the City of Jerusalem unless they opt for citizenship of the State of which they have been citizens or, if Arabs or Jews, have filed notice of intention to become citizens of the Arab or Jewish State respectively, according to part I, section B, paragraph 9, of this plan.

    The Trusteeship Council shall make arrangements for consular protection of the citizens of the City outside its territory.

    12. Freedoms of Citizens. (a) Subject only to the requirements of public order and morals, the inhabitants of the City shall be ensured the enjoyment of human rights and fundamental freedoms, including freedom of conscience, religion and worship, language, education, speech and press, assembly and association, and petition.

    (b) No discrimination of any kind shall be made between the inhabitants on the grounds of race, religion, language or sex.

    (c) All persons within the City shall be entitled to equal protection of the laws.

    (d) The family law and personal status of the various persons and communities and their religious interests, including endowments, shall be respected.

    (e) Except as may be required for the maintenance of public order and good government, no measure shall be taken to obstruct or interfere with the enterprise of religious or charitable bodies of all faiths or to discriminate against any representative or member of these bodies on the ground of his religion or nationality.

    (f) The City shall ensure adequate primary and secondary education for the Arab and Jewish communities respectively, in their own languages and in accordance with their cultural traditions.

    The right of each community to maintain its own schools for the education of its own members in its own language, while conforming to such educational requirements of a general nature as the City may impose, shall not be denied or impaired. Foreign educational establishments shall continue their activity on the basis of their existing rights.

    (g) No restriction shall be imposed on the free use by any inhabitant of the City of any language in private intercourse, in commerce, in religion, in the Press or in publications of any kind, or at public meetings.

    13. Holy Places. (a) Existing rights in respect of Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall not be denied or impaired.

    (b) Free access to the Holy Places and religious buildings or sites and the free exercise of worship shall be secured in conformity with existing rights and subject to the requirements of public order and decorum.

    (c) Holy Places and religious buildings or sites shall be preserved. No act shall be permitted which may in any way impair their sacred character. If at any time it appears to the Governor that any particular Holy Place, religious building or site is in need of urgent repair, the Governor may call upon the community or communities concerned to carry out such repair. The Governor may carry it out himself at the expense of the community or communities concerned if no action is taken within a reasonable time.

    (d) No taxation shall be levied in respect of any Holy Place, religious building or site which was exempt from taxation on the date of the creation of the City. No change in the incidence of such taxation shall be made which would either discriminate between the owners or occupiers of Holy Places, religious buildings or sites, or would place such owners or occupiers in a position less favourable in relation to the general incidence of taxation than existed at the time of the adoption of the Assembly's recommendations.

    14. Special powers of the Governor in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in the City and in any part of Palestine. (a) The protection of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites located in the City of Jerusalem shall be a special concern of the Governor.

    (b) With relation to such places, buildings and sites in Palestine outside the city, the Governor shall determine, on the ground of powers granted to him by the Constitutions of both States, whether the provisions of the Constitutions of the Arab and Jewish States in Palestine dealing therewith and the religious rights appertaining thereto are being properly applied and respected.

    (c) The Governor shall also be empowered to make decisions on the basis of existing rights in cases of disputes which may arise between the different religious communities or the rites of a religious community in respect of the Holy Places, religious buildings and sites in any part of Palestine.

    In this task he may be assisted by a consultative council of representatives of different denominations acting in an advisory capacity.

    Thank you for the extended quote. It clears up the air from the hypocriticl whining, lies and obfuscations of Israelis and Israel-firsters and exposes the dishonesty of a traitorous bunch in the Congress, including such bought loyalists to Israel as Kirsten Gillibrand, Elizabeth Warren, Al Franken, Amy Klobuchar, Ron Wyden, Tammy Baldwin, Chris Murphy, Barbara Mikulski, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, Richard Blumenthal, Ed Markey, Jack Reed, John McCain, Mike Lee, Lindsey Graham and John Barrasso. http://mondoweiss.net/2016/09/beholden-progressive-senators/

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  199. renfro says:

    Trump may have to slow down on blowing up Iran for the Jews and Israel cause there’s trouble in the palace. I said if Trump didn’t get the Jews out of his adm they would bring him all kinds of trouble. Another one that needs to be cut out is his Jewish bankruptcy lawyer who he made ambassador to Israel.

    As best I can tell Kushner and Ivanka were angling to get rid of Chief of Staff Gen John Kelly but he struck first and cut them off at the knees. Brilliant move by Kelly cause if Trump tries to override him he will be in more trouble down the road.

    Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence – POLITICO

    https://www.politico.com/story/…/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-42717…

    .
    22 hours ago – Presidential son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner has had his security clearance downgraded — a move that will prevent him from viewing many of the sensitive documents to which he once had unfettered access.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/jared-kushner-kushner-companies-donating-west-bank-settlement

    Jared Kushner By Day: Mideast Peace. Kushner Companies By Night: Donating to a West Bank Settlement.
    As Jared Kushner leads the U.S. government’s effort to develop an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, the Kushner Companies Charitable Foundation is funding a hardline Israeli settlement in the West Bank.

    New York Regulator Asks Deutsche Bank, Others About Kushner Loans

    The regulator also asked for information related to other family members.
    Reuters) –

    New York’s state banking regulator asked Deutsche Bank AG and two other lenders for information on their relationships with U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and White House senior adviser Jared Kushner and his family’s real estate company, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters.
    The New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) made the requests to Deutsche Bank, Signature Bank and New York Community Bank for information on loans and other financial arrangements including lines of credit and loan guarantees a week ago, the person said.
    The regulator also asked for information related to other family members, the person said.
    DFS, Deutsche Bank and Signature Bank declined to comment. New York Community Bank had no immediate comment

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    Here's the link to article "Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence":

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-427178

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  200. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    ....as they don’t have the unemotional intellect for rational debate or truth on this subject…….no matter what you prove to them they just babble- babble the same old, same old….so ciao.
     
    So true, and it goes for many subjects. All they know is manure wagon loads of off the wall hysteria, blaming others for what they themselves do or would do, and endless lies.

    No point in even trying to discuss things rationally with the vermin. I've taken a lesson out of their own playbook and mock them whenever they start their primitive braying.

    The one yer answering is so far gone that I no longer read its drivel.

    The one yer answering is so far gone that I no longer read its drivel.

    So right , I’m going to take my own advice and quit throwing bananas to the monkey.

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  201. Rurik says:
    @tac
    Rurik:

    My reply @176 was meant for your comment @150. Check you the links they are very interesting reads, especially the last one...

    Here is an excerpt from the last link:


    "In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials..."

    Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups.
    ...

    So complete was the silence that by mid-March, Jane's Information Group, the respected British intelligence and military analysis service, noted: "It is rather strange that the U.S. media seems to be ignoring what may well be the most explosive story since the 11 September attacks -- the alleged break-up of a major Israeli espionage operation in the USA."
     

    “Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It’s classified information.”

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  202. annamaria says:
    @tac
    Not to mention the evidence of having their "art students" infiltrate US officials in some instances in their own homes, and agencies in some instances where the said locations had no street addresses and no street signs.

    Thanks for the link: “… some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. Many of them were deported. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis — 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports — were detained and deported. The “art students” followed a predictable modus operandi. They generally worked in teams, typically consisting of a driver, who was the team leader, and three or four subordinates…”
    – Compare this to the “Indictment of 13 Trolls” produced by certain Mr. Mueller. — The same Mr. Mueller who was in charge of the FBI when the “artful” Israelis were caught and deported in 2001. Why there was no publicized investigation and no indictment re the 140 plus 60 Israeli nationals whose suspicious behavior suggested their foreknowledge of the heinous crime? A highly illogical response by the US to this crime (a war of aggression against Afghanistan and Iraq) has eventually made some oilmen, brass, and weapon manufacturers very wealthy, whereas Israel was happy to see its neighbors ruined. The invasion of the Middle East was planned before 9/11 and was spelled quite clearly in both PNAC and Oded Yinon plan.

    http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=neoconinfluence&neoconinfluence_neoconservative_think_tanks=neoconinfluence_pnac

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33220.htm

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    Thanks annamaria, I've read one of those pages previously. Here one that is more detailed (not sure if you've read it):

    "Late Summer 1996: Neoconservatives Push for War with Iraq, Reshaping of Middle East to Favor Israel


    "After Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to the United States (see July 8-10, 1996), US neoconservatives mount an orchestrated push for war against Iraq and an overall reshaping of the Middle East (see July 8, 1996). At first, the offensive takes place in the pages of US newspapers and magazines. William Kristol and Robert Kagan write articles for the magazines Foreign Policy and the Weekly Standard; syndicated columnists Charles Krauthammer and A. M. Rosenthal use their columns to push the idea; Zalmay Khalilzad and Paul Wolfowitz pen op-eds for the Washington Post; “Clean Break” co-author David Wurmser writes op-eds for the Wall Street Journal and publishes a book, Tyranny’s Ally, in which he proposes that the US use its military to literally redraw the map of the Middle East (see Late Summer 1996). Neoconservatives are transforming Christian evangelicals’ argument that Americans are God’s “chosen people” into secular terms, and argue in their op-eds and articles that it is, in author Craig Unger’s words, the US’s “moral duty to project that greatness throughout the world—using American military power, if necessary.” [Unger, 2007, pp. 148-149]
    Entity Tags: Robert Kagan, A. M. Rosenthal, Benjamin Netanyahu, David Wurmser, Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, Paul Wolfowitz, Zalmay M. Khalilzad"

    "Neoconservative Douglas Feith writes a position paper entitled “A Strategy for Israel.” Feith proposes that Israel re-occupy “the areas under Palestinian Authority control” even though “the price in blood would be high.” [Commentary, 9/1997; American Conservative, 3/24/2003; In These Times, 3/13/2007] Feith is the co-author of the 1996 position paper “A Clean Break” (see July 8, 1996), which advocates a similar aggressive posture for Israel."

    "January 30, 2001: First National Security Council Meeting Focuses on Iraq and Israel, Not Terrorism
    The Bush White House holds its first National Security Council meeting. The focus is on Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...But Bush isn’t interested in terrorism...Instead, Bush channels his neoconservative advisers, particularly incoming Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz... in taking a new approach to Middle East affairs, particularly the Israeli-Palestinian conflict...
    Rice begins noting “that Iraq might be the key to reshaping the entire region.”...Bush orders Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Hugh Shelton to begin preparing options for the use of US ground forces in Iraq’s northern and southern no-fly zones in support of a native-based insurgency against the Hussein regime...“Meeting adjourned. Ten days in, and it was about Iraq...
    "US Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neill, later recalls: “From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go.… From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime...officials never questioned the logic behind this policy. No one ever asked, “Why Saddam?” and “Why now?” Instead, the issue that needed to be resolved was how this could be accomplished. “It was all about finding a way to do it,” O’Neill will explain. “That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this.’”"
    “The president told his Pentagon officials to explore the military options, including use of ground forces...“These were the policies that even the Israeli right had not dared to implement.” One senior administration official says after the meeting, “The Likudniks are really in charge now.”...”

    "Shortly After September 11, 2001: Pentagon Officials Wolfowitz and Feith Set Up Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group"
    "Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith set up a secret intelligence unit, named the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group (CTEG—sometimes called the Policy Counterterrorism Evaluation Group), to sift through raw intelligence reports and look for evidence of a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda... George Packer will later describe their process, writing, “Wurmser and Maloof were working deductively, not inductively: The premise was true; facts would be found to confirm it.”...Critics claim that its members manipulate and distort intelligence, “cherry-picking” bits of information that support their preconceived conclusions... They were cherry-picking intelligence and packaging it for [Vice President] Cheney and [Defense Secretary] Donald Rumsfeld to take to the president. That’s the kind of rogue operation that peer review is intended to prevent.”...A defense official later adds, “There is a complete breakdown in the relationship between the Defense Department and the intelligence community, to include its own Defense Intelligence Agency. Wolfowitz and company disbelieve any analysis that doesn’t support their own preconceived conclusions. The CIA is enemy territory, as far are they’re concerned.”... For weeks, the unit will attempt to uncover evidence tying Saddam Hussein to the 9/11 attacks, a theory advocated by both Feith and Wolfowitz..."
    "The rest of the US intelligence community is not impressed with CTEG’s work. “I don’t have any problem with [the Pentagon] bringing in a couple of people to take another look at the intelligence and challenge the assessment,” former DIA analyst Patrick Lang will later say. “But the problem is that they brought in people who were not intelligence professionals, people were brought in because they thought like them. They knew what answers they were going to get.”..."
    "Dismissing CIA's Findings that Iraq, al-Qaeda are Not Linked... In CTEG’s view, policy makers should overlook any equivocations and discrepancies and dismiss the CIA’s guarded conclusions: “[T]he CIA report ought to be read for content only—and CIA’s interpretation ought to be ignored.” Their decision is powered by Wolfowitz, who has instructed them to ignore the intelligence community’s view that al-Qaeda and Iraq were doubtful allies. They also embrace the theory that 9/11 hijacker Mohammad Atta met with an Iraqi official in Prague, a theory discredited by intelligence professionals..."
    "The group is later accused of stovepiping intelligence directly to the White House. Lang later tells the Washington Times: “That unit had meetings with senior White House officials without the CIA or the Senate being aware of them. That is not legal. There has to be oversight.” According to Lang and another US intelligence official, the two men go to the White House several times to brief officials, bypassing CIA analysts whose analyses they disagreed with..."
     

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2049#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2049

    https://www.wrmea.org/2000-june/despite-coverup-israel-caught-spying-in-washington-again.html

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  203. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    Highly unlikely that either is accurate.

    We rescue ants and spiders around here.

    Doubtful, I would applaud said destruction, my enemies maybe, but even that s doubtful.

    my enemies maybe

    well…

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    My comment is not about him. It's about me. Maybe means maybe. As unlikely means unlikely.

    It's not healthy to rejoice about the troubles of others. Rejoicing about victory is not the same thing as rejoicing about another's trouble - even an enemy.

    I wonder what it is that propels you and others to take a single line out of context and proceed to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond recognition.


    I have n o idea why he is dancing based on the video. Dubious about 9/11 or anything similarly related. And it is doubtful I would so rejoice about harm to another, even my enemies --- things that intense -- circumspection is advisable.

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  204. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    What a terrible, terrible shame. And damn them for doing it. Both the Zionist Jewish supremacists and their legions of goyim lackey$.
     
    I agree with all. Every word of it.

    How anyone can look at the pic of the little girl and not feel ineffably disgusted with the perps is beyond me. And we have the Izzy first jackals and their scum votaries who are filthy enough to come here and brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I'm not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.

    brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I’m not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.

    I remember perusing Freerepublic.com around the time Rachel Corrie was murdered, and I remember the giggly snide was off the charts, and it seemed to me to come more from the goyim hyenas than even from the tribe, (not that you can always be sure who is who)

    here’s the latest thread about her at that site

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3256945/posts

    “Saint Pancake”

    “HA ha!!!”

    “She’s missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup.”

    and on and on…

    an idealistic young American woman understandably outraged over the cruel injustices meted out to the Palestinians by the Jewish supremacists, who shoot their children for target practice, and gloat about it.

    but she was too idealistic to comprehend pure evil, the kind that would drive a bulldozer over a young women, and then back it up again for another pass, just to be certain.

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    “Saint Pancake”

    “HA ha!!!”

    “She’s missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup.”

    and on and on…
     
    I hear you. The goyim useful idiots think they're cute when the best they can do is parrot the smirking mugs on da tube, and the behavior can be witnessed in even the "professional" classes, who generally question nothing and slurp up every bit of slop served to them by their masters. The clowns will even argue that they're free...

    This country is largely peopled by completely contemptible morons. Gutless too.
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  205. @whyamihere
    Like I've said before, conflict is inevitable between Israel and Iran, particular Iranians operating in bases in Syria meant to make any conflict between Israel and Hezbollah a two front war.

    The US should stand by Israel and aid them in any way it can when (not if) these wars happen. Thank goodness Donald Trump, a great friend of Israel, is in office and not Hillary Clinton.

    Make no mistake, Israel will destroy Hezbollah and Iran in Syria at the same time should they need to. Neither of them are any match for Israel.

    May 14, 2018, the day the US embassy moves to Jerusalem, exactly 70 years after the forming of the nation! Thank you President Trump!

    If you have sons and they wish to volunteer to fight Iran in the Israeli military, then more power to ‘em.

    But we refuse to risk our son’s life to take sides in that conflict. We are Americans and we care first and foremost about our family and our AMERICAN nation. We are not Israelis.

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  206. Noah Way says:

    “Time to tell Israel and Saudi Arabia to fight their own wars”

    Nonsense. How are we going to profit from that?

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  207. Vidi says:
    @renfro
    Trump may have to slow down on blowing up Iran for the Jews and Israel cause there's trouble in the palace. I said if Trump didn't get the Jews out of his adm they would bring him all kinds of trouble. Another one that needs to be cut out is his Jewish bankruptcy lawyer who he made ambassador to Israel.

    As best I can tell Kushner and Ivanka were angling to get rid of Chief of Staff Gen John Kelly but he struck first and cut them off at the knees. Brilliant move by Kelly cause if Trump tries to override him he will be in more trouble down the road.

    Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence - POLITICO
    https://www.politico.com/story/.../jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-42717...
    .
    22 hours ago - Presidential son-in-law and adviser Jared Kushner has had his security clearance downgraded — a move that will prevent him from viewing many of the sensitive documents to which he once had unfettered access.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/jared-kushner-kushner-companies-donating-west-bank-settlement

    Jared Kushner By Day: Mideast Peace. Kushner Companies By Night: Donating to a West Bank Settlement.
    As Jared Kushner leads the U.S. government’s effort to develop an Israeli-Palestinian peace plan, the Kushner Companies Charitable Foundation is funding a hardline Israeli settlement in the West Bank.

    New York Regulator Asks Deutsche Bank, Others About Kushner Loans

    The regulator also asked for information related to other family members.
    Reuters) -

    New York’s state banking regulator asked Deutsche Bank AG and two other lenders for information on their relationships with U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law and White House senior adviser Jared Kushner and his family’s real estate company, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters.
    The New York State Department of Financial Services (DFS) made the requests to Deutsche Bank, Signature Bank and New York Community Bank for information on loans and other financial arrangements including lines of credit and loan guarantees a week ago, the person said.
    The regulator also asked for information related to other family members, the person said.
    DFS, Deutsche Bank and Signature Bank declined to comment. New York Community Bank had no immediate comment

    Here’s the link to article “Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence”:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-427178

    Hope it works. If not, use cut & paste.

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    Thanks much...
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  208. renfro says:
    @Vidi
    Here's the link to article "Kushner loses access to top-secret intelligence":

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/27/jared-kushner-security-clearance-downgrade-427178

    Hope it works. If not, use cut & paste.

    Thanks much…

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  209. annamaria says:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/for-all-practical-purposes-the-american-system-of-government-is-failing-how-and-why/5630522

    “Since the 1980s, a vicious cycle of political corruption in the United States has become more and more powerful and has had negative social consequences. It is a cycle of corruption that has allowed the money establishment to tighten its grip on the major American institutions of the Presidency, the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court. Such a cycle of political corruption is self-reinforcing, and as it becomes more and more comprehensive and entrenched, it also becomes very difficult to break up and reverse.”

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  210. @Rurik

    brush it all off, and get all smart-assed.

    I’m not built like that either, and I used to be willing to try reasoning or listening to their cases, but no more, and it goes double for the dumb goyim hyenas as well.

     

    I remember perusing Freerepublic.com around the time Rachel Corrie was murdered, and I remember the giggly snide was off the charts, and it seemed to me to come more from the goyim hyenas than even from the tribe, (not that you can always be sure who is who)

    here's the latest thread about her at that site

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3256945/posts

    "Saint Pancake"

    "HA ha!!!"

    "She's missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup."

    and on and on...

    an idealistic young American woman understandably outraged over the cruel injustices meted out to the Palestinians by the Jewish supremacists, who shoot their children for target practice, and gloat about it.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/5/19/1400508343884/Rachel-Corrie-012.jpg

    but she was too idealistic to comprehend pure evil, the kind that would drive a bulldozer over a young women, and then back it up again for another pass, just to be certain.

    http://pembelamelayu2009.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/rachel_corrie_memorium.jpg

    “Saint Pancake”

    “HA ha!!!”

    “She’s missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup.”

    and on and on…

    I hear you. The goyim useful idiots think they’re cute when the best they can do is parrot the smirking mugs on da tube, and the behavior can be witnessed in even the “professional” classes, who generally question nothing and slurp up every bit of slop served to them by their masters. The clowns will even argue that they’re free…

    This country is largely peopled by completely contemptible morons. Gutless too.

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    I wish I could argue with you about that.

    Bovinus Americanus: cud-chewing and belligerently ignorant

    I confess I have a soft spot for the middle and especially working classes, even as they gape over Kim Kardashian's giant ass, I know them to be without guile or treachery in their hearts.

    Contrast that with the elites, whose every perfidious twitch is calculated to divert the maximum flow from the $lop trough into their gaping maws, and to deceive with their every feculent breath.

    The matrix of their mendacity is so all-pervasive, that even as our media and government are all tied in knots over non-existent 'Russian meddling' in our government, they all carefully pretend not to notice AIPAC, and the universal corruption of this nation's institutions by and for Zionist Jew$.

    And why is that? Why are they so universally dishonest about the gorilla in the living room?!

    because to mention it might slow down the flow of slop to their greedy snouts

    this is why they never show Karl Rove (or Dick Cheney or James Woolsey, et al) from profile

    http://blogcache3.artron.net/201005/31/370391_12753266479OHH.jpg

    that is the soul of Wall Street, and the soul of our political establishment. It's the soul of our media and our federal government and the leadership of our evangelical Christian churches.

    all of them

    reminds me of this speech

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0urFvJ0Faxg
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  211. This is what Iran and the rest of the world are up against. Look at that mug…

    Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/israeli-lawmaker-hospital/

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    Israel's pulling out all the PR stops.

    Way to go.
    , @ChuckOrloski
    With precise reasoning, Jacques Sheete warned: "This is what Iran and the rest of the world are up against...Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face."

    Hi Jacques,

    I am also concerned about very skilled Israeli intelligence / assassination team(s) who'd get high honors for dispatching Hezbollah's mighty leader, Nusrallah, to a morgue.

    In addition, and for your information, down below is presstv article which suggests dawn of a normal trend happening in the deadbeat ZUS Senate. Senators Lee and Sanders propose to end ZUS's support of Saud Arabia's war on Yemen. Hm.

    Skeptical, Lee and Sanders deliberately passover of the American-Israeli Empire's complete support for reigning chaos & death in multiple neighboring "Enemy" M.E. countries.

    In fact, I sense these two "progressive" Jewish Lobby-(Z)enators having asked the Trump "Merchants of Death" to back-off its assistance in pummeling Yemen could be just another smoke screen that facilitates intentional "blundering" into Iran.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/03/01/553945/Senators-Sanders-Lee-seek-to-end-US-role-in-Saudi-war-on-Yemen

    Thanks, Jacques. Israel always manages to get their war and they do not commence via "blunder" processes.
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  212. KenH says:

    Trump seems to have abdicated to Israel and American neo-cons on foreign policy, so at this point I have zero confidence in him and feel an unnecessary conflict with Iran is looming. Most Americans are so ignorant and propagandized that they’ll buy whatever flimsy excuses are put forth to justify destroying yet another Muslim nation for the exclusive benefit of Israel.

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  213. @Rurik

    my enemies maybe
     
    well...

    My comment is not about him. It’s about me. Maybe means maybe. As unlikely means unlikely.

    It’s not healthy to rejoice about the troubles of others. Rejoicing about victory is not the same thing as rejoicing about another’s trouble – even an enemy.

    I wonder what it is that propels you and others to take a single line out of context and proceed to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond recognition.

    I have n o idea why he is dancing based on the video. Dubious about 9/11 or anything similarly related. And it is doubtful I would so rejoice about harm to another, even my enemies — things that intense — circumspection is advisable.

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    It’s about me. Maybe means maybe
     
    succinct and precise

    propels you and others to take a single line out of context and proceed to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond recognition.
     
    perhaps because everything you write is calculated to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond any recognition, and torture the English language into meaningless, platitudinous palaver.

    But your agenda comes though your devices and after suffering a few of your comments, it's rather clear that you're a (rather poor) provocateur. Shilling your diatribes about religion while you're transparently a Zionist zealot.

    I can respect a Zionist or a zealot, but not a sniveling weasel, who uses language to obscure, rather than illuminate.

    I have n o idea why he is dancing based on the video. Dubious about 9/11 or anything similarly related
     
    I wasn't able to ask him, since it's just a gif available on the Internet

    but I posted it because some of your fellow travelers were seen dancing and high-fiving each other and celebrating a horrific act of terrorism, and most people don't dance at such scenes, rather they're mortified. But not the "dancing Israelis", who were ecstatic over the slaughter of Americans.

    And we now know that this was an inside job, conducted at the highest levels of the Bush/Cheney administration in conjunction with Israel and its Mossad, with our (((media))) running cover for the operation. Duh.

    And since you're in thrall of your misuse of language to obscure and prevaricate, shuffle and side-step, I figured I'd penetrate to the core of the matter, and bring up something solid, like the 'dancing Israelis', (who were there to "document the event") for you to do your lexical pirouettes.

    I guess now that the Olympics is over, I miss all those spinning theatrics, and will have to settle for your rhetorical flourish and cloddish élan.
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  214. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete
    This is what Iran and the rest of the world are up against. Look at that mug…

    Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face
    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/israeli-lawmaker-hospital/

    http://19453-presscdn.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Hazan.trump_-1.jpg

    Israel’s pulling out all the PR stops.

    Way to go.

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  215. @jacques sheete
    This is what Iran and the rest of the world are up against. Look at that mug…

    Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face
    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/israeli-lawmaker-hospital/

    http://19453-presscdn.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Hazan.trump_-1.jpg

    With precise reasoning, Jacques Sheete warned: “This is what Iran and the rest of the world are up against…Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face.”

    Hi Jacques,

    I am also concerned about very skilled Israeli intelligence / assassination team(s) who’d get high honors for dispatching Hezbollah’s mighty leader, Nusrallah, to a morgue.

    In addition, and for your information, down below is presstv article which suggests dawn of a normal trend happening in the deadbeat ZUS Senate. Senators Lee and Sanders propose to end ZUS’s support of Saud Arabia’s war on Yemen. Hm.

    Skeptical, Lee and Sanders deliberately passover of the American-Israeli Empire’s complete support for reigning chaos & death in multiple neighboring “Enemy” M.E. countries.

    In fact, I sense these two “progressive” Jewish Lobby-(Z)enators having asked the Trump “Merchants of Death” to back-off its assistance in pummeling Yemen could be just another smoke screen that facilitates intentional “blundering” into Iran.

    http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/03/01/553945/Senators-Sanders-Lee-seek-to-end-US-role-in-Saudi-war-on-Yemen

    Thanks, Jacques. Israel always manages to get their war and they do not commence via “blunder” processes.

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    Israel always manages to get their war and they do not commence via “blunder” processes.
     
    You nailed it, and it more of the same.

    Gustave de Molinari (1819-1912) …identified a number of powerful groups in European societies who benefited from what he called “the State of War”: the political elites who dominated the legislatures and controlled expenditure, the senior bureaucrats who administered government expenditure, the military elites who got to spend taxpayers money on new ships and artillery and who benefitted from promotions, the business elites whose factories produced the war materiel, and the officials who administered colonial policy in the occupied territories.

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/quotes/384

     

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  216. Rurik says:
    @jacques sheete

    “Saint Pancake”

    “HA ha!!!”

    “She’s missing 3 blueberries, 1 pat of butter, and a half an ounce of maple syrup.”

    and on and on…
     
    I hear you. The goyim useful idiots think they're cute when the best they can do is parrot the smirking mugs on da tube, and the behavior can be witnessed in even the "professional" classes, who generally question nothing and slurp up every bit of slop served to them by their masters. The clowns will even argue that they're free...

    This country is largely peopled by completely contemptible morons. Gutless too.

    I wish I could argue with you about that.

    Bovinus Americanus: cud-chewing and belligerently ignorant

    I confess I have a soft spot for the middle and especially working classes, even as they gape over Kim Kardashian’s giant ass, I know them to be without guile or treachery in their hearts.

    Contrast that with the elites, whose every perfidious twitch is calculated to divert the maximum flow from the $lop trough into their gaping maws, and to deceive with their every feculent breath.

    The matrix of their mendacity is so all-pervasive, that even as our media and government are all tied in knots over non-existent ‘Russian meddling’ in our government, they all carefully pretend not to notice AIPAC, and the universal corruption of this nation’s institutions by and for Zionist Jew$.

    And why is that? Why are they so universally dishonest about the gorilla in the living room?!

    because to mention it might slow down the flow of slop to their greedy snouts

    this is why they never show Karl Rove (or Dick Cheney or James Woolsey, et al) from profile

    that is the soul of Wall Street, and the soul of our political establishment. It’s the soul of our media and our federal government and the leadership of our evangelical Christian churches.

    all of them

    reminds me of this speech

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  217. Hi Brothers & Sisters, including Phil Giraldi,

    Please refer to article below; regarding ZUS Senate specious use of War Powers Act.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/28/senators-will-use-war-powers-act-to-try-to-end-us-involvement-in-yemen-war/

    Foolish for me to inquire why the Senate does not turn to War Powers Act in order to end hazardous & immoral ZUS involvement in Syria?

    Thank you, All!

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    Hey Brother Chuck,

    here's some more of their 'pretext for war' bullshit

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/27/new-satellite-photos-show-iran-establishing-another-base-in-syria.html
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  218. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.
    My comment is not about him. It's about me. Maybe means maybe. As unlikely means unlikely.

    It's not healthy to rejoice about the troubles of others. Rejoicing about victory is not the same thing as rejoicing about another's trouble - even an enemy.

    I wonder what it is that propels you and others to take a single line out of context and proceed to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond recognition.


    I have n o idea why he is dancing based on the video. Dubious about 9/11 or anything similarly related. And it is doubtful I would so rejoice about harm to another, even my enemies --- things that intense -- circumspection is advisable.

    It’s about me. Maybe means maybe

    succinct and precise

    propels you and others to take a single line out of context and proceed to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond recognition.

    perhaps because everything you write is calculated to twist the contextual meaning completely beyond any recognition, and torture the English language into meaningless, platitudinous palaver.

    But your agenda comes though your devices and after suffering a few of your comments, it’s rather clear that you’re a (rather poor) provocateur. Shilling your diatribes about religion while you’re transparently a Zionist zealot.

    I can respect a Zionist or a zealot, but not a sniveling weasel, who uses language to obscure, rather than illuminate.

    I have n o idea why he is dancing based on the video. Dubious about 9/11 or anything similarly related

    I wasn’t able to ask him, since it’s just a gif available on the Internet

    but I posted it because some of your fellow travelers were seen dancing and high-fiving each other and celebrating a horrific act of terrorism, and most people don’t dance at such scenes, rather they’re mortified. But not the “dancing Israelis”, who were ecstatic over the slaughter of Americans.

    And we now know that this was an inside job, conducted at the highest levels of the Bush/Cheney administration in conjunction with Israel and its Mossad, with our (((media))) running cover for the operation. Duh.

    And since you’re in thrall of your misuse of language to obscure and prevaricate, shuffle and side-step, I figured I’d penetrate to the core of the matter, and bring up something solid, like the ‘dancing Israelis’, (who were there to “document the event”) for you to do your lexical pirouettes.

    I guess now that the Olympics is over, I miss all those spinning theatrics, and will have to settle for your rhetorical flourish and cloddish élan.

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  219. Rurik says:
    @ChuckOrloski
    Hi Brothers & Sisters, including Phil Giraldi,

    Please refer to article below; regarding ZUS Senate specious use of War Powers Act.

    https://news.antiwar.com/2018/02/28/senators-will-use-war-powers-act-to-try-to-end-us-involvement-in-yemen-war/

    Foolish for me to inquire why the Senate does not turn to War Powers Act in order to end hazardous & immoral ZUS involvement in Syria?

    Thank you, All!

    Hey Brother Chuck,

    here’s some more of their ‘pretext for war’ bullshit

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/27/new-satellite-photos-show-iran-establishing-another-base-in-syria.html

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    Brother Rurik,

    The course and catalyst for ZUS war with Iran is onschedule, is not "blundering."

    Missed your important fox news "link" and thank you!
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  220. Rurik said: “I miss all those spinning theatrics…”

    Hi Rurik,

    Don’t miss the ZUS Senate “spinning” the antic of wanting to invoke War Powers Act for Yemen but not Syria.

    Be well within our imposed dizziness!

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  221. @Rurik
    Hey Brother Chuck,

    here's some more of their 'pretext for war' bullshit

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/27/new-satellite-photos-show-iran-establishing-another-base-in-syria.html

    Brother Rurik,

    The course and catalyst for ZUS war with Iran is onschedule, is not “blundering.”

    Missed your important fox news “link” and thank you!

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  222. @jacques sheete
    Hey Rurik, don't you know those pics have been photoshopped? Wink, wink!

    (And the attack on the USS Liberty was a mistake, and the Protocols are a forgery.)

    ;)

    The Protocols indeed where written on request of the tzarist secret police.

    ” The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the Jews for the country’s ills. It was first privately printed in 1897 and was made public in 1905. It is copied from a nineteenth century novel by Hermann Goedsche (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the world.

    The basic story was composed by Goedsche, a German novelist and anti-Semite who used the pseudonym of Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from another writer, Maurice Joly, whose Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing Napoleon III. Goedsche’s original contribution consists mainly of introducing Jews to do the plotting to take over the world.

    The Russians used big chunks of a Russian translation of Goedsche’s novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and claimed they were authentic. Their purpose was political: to strengthen the czar Nicholas II’s position by exposing his opponents as allies with those who were part of a massive conspiracy to take over the world. Thus, the Protocols are a forgery of a plagiarized fiction.

    The Protocols were exposed as a forgery by Lucien Wolf in The Jewish Bogey and the Forged Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (London: Press Committee of the Jewish Board of Deputies, 1920). In 1921, Philip Grave, a correspondent for the London Times, publicized the forgery. Herman Bernstein in The Truth About “The Protocols of Zion”: A Complete Exposure (1935) also tried and failed to convince the world of the forgery.

    The Protocols were published in 1920 in a Michigan newspaper started by Henry Ford mainly to attack Jews and Communists. Even after they were exposed as a forgery, Ford’s paper continued to cite the document. Adolf Hitler later used the Protocols to help justify his attempt to exterminate Jews during World War II.
    The Protocols hoax continues to fool people and is still cited by certain individuals and groups as the cause of all their woes.

    See related entries on Holocaust denial, the Illuminati and shoehorning.

    further reading
    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
    What’s the story with the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”? The Straight Dope
    Bronner, Stephen Eric. A Rumor About the Jews : Reflections on Antisemitism and the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion (St Martins Press, 2000)
    Cohn, Norman Rufus Colin. Warrant for Genocide; the Myth of the Jewish World-conspiracy and the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (New York: Harper & Row, 1967).
    Goldberg, Isaac. The so-called “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”; a Definitive Exposure of One of the Most Malicious Lies in History (Girard, Kansas, Haldeman-Julius Publications, 1936).
    Segel, B. W. A Lie and a Libel: the History of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Richard S. Levy, translator & editor, (Lincoln, NE : University of Nebraska Press, 1995).
    United States. Congress. Senate. Committee on the Judiciary.
    Protocols of the Elders of Zion; a fabricated “historic” document; a report prepared by the Subcommittee to Investigate the Administration of the Internal Security Act and Other Internal Security Laws … Washington, U.S. Govt. Print. Off., 1964.
    Wolf, Lucien. The Myth of the Jewish Menace in World Affairs; or, The Truth About the Forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion (New York, The Macmillan company, 1921). ”

    So far the quote.
    I never saw anything that proves that Hitler used the Protocols.

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    Jilles D. wrote: "The Protocols indeed where written on request of the tzarist secret police."

    Hi Jilles:

    Above, interesting!

    Lenin came home to Russia, April 1917.

    I suppose his entry was preceded by secret agents who would work to pave the way for the October revolution.

    Am wondering if Lenin's comrades were clever enough to infiltrate and influence Okhrana-centered political / publishing activities, including possible double-forgeries?

    The world of espionage is full of cunning.

    Thanks!
    , @jacques sheete
    Thanks, jyles, but none of that adds up. Lying is what the enemy does best and I've learned to think the worst of them and to never give them the benefit of the doubt.

    Rurik and Chuck nailed it.

    Here's Chuck.:

    Am wondering if Lenin’s comrades were clever enough to infiltrate and influence Okhrana-centered political / publishing activities, including possible double-forgeries?

     

    And Rurik.:

    It’s enough that these documents precisely and presciently describe what is and has been (and will be) going on, that they should not be ignored.

    who cares who wrote it or why, if it’s the truth?
     
    The "oh, so clever" enemy thinks that they can distract some of us from the bottom line with all sorts of mindless pedantry. Good luck to them.
    , @renfro
    You need to cut thru the bs and look at what is claimed as proof of forgery.

    No one has ever proved the origin of the Protocols. You know only what some people claim as proof of forgery which is it was made up from parts of:

    1) An earlier book Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu (Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu

    2) An 1864 political satire by Maurice Joly

    3) A chapter from Biarritz, an 1868 novel by the antisemitic German novelist Hermann Goedsche.

    4) The Great in the Small: The Coming of the Anti-Christ and the Rule of Satan on Earth, by Russian writer and mystic Sergei Nilus.

    Those are the 4 claims used to say it is a forgery.

    As for Machiavelli he wrote about how to use loans and the Hindu god which the Protocols also did.
    As for Joly and Goedsche they used the standard canards about Jews in their works., nation within a nation, greed, domination, etc..
    As for Nilus his writings were also typical of views of the Jews.
    iow, except for the Machiavelli similarities , none of the others are anything but the Jewish canards.

    So basically what you have is 2 Machiavelli ideas plus some others writing about Jews at the time and repeating thousand year old canards about Jews ....as proof of forgery.

    And of course we overlook the Jews fondness for Machiavelli as uber Jew Michael Ledeen, (the guy who phonied up the Italian yellow cake claim for the Iraq war) who promotes Machiavelli rules for world leadership ... ''Why Machiavelli's iron rules are as timely and important today as five centuries ago'' Michael A. Ledeen. p. cm. Includes bibliographical references. ISBN 0-31 2-2047 1-X (he) ISBN 0-31 2-26356-2 (pbk) 1.

    Naturally no one mentions that some jews way ahead of Leeden might have thought the 2 Machiavelli ideas were great ideas for destruction and world domination and put them into a plan book.....LOL

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  223. Rurik says:

    The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery

    perhaps, but does it matter?

    if I had a document that said ‘we Zionist Jews will use our collective control of the media and banks to subvert the US’s foreign policy to fight endless wars in the Middle East on behalf of Israel’

    would it matter if it was forged? Because whomever wrote it obviously knew and understood enough about what was going on, and who the players all were, en0ugh to spell out what was happening and was going to happen.

    It’s enough that these documents precisely and presciently describe what is and has been (and will be) going on, that they should not be ignored.

    who cares who wrote it or why, if it’s the truth?

    I don’t think the Protocols say ‘we are going to butcher tsar Nicholas and his family in the basement of a house, and throttle his daughters with bayonets until their writhing bodies are lifeless…’

    ‘and then proceed to terrorize Russia and enslave her neighbors and gulag and mass-murder millions of her citizens, while menacing Germany and everyone else…’

    but that is exactly what happened, and it doesn’t matter who wrote it. It’s enough that it was spot-on and laid out exactly what was going on, (and is going on ; )

    it’s impossible to read the Protocols and not go ‘WTF, this is exactly what is happening!’

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    Listen, champ, reading your entries, each peppered with phrases like "language into meaningless, platitudinous palaver", "lexical pirouettes" etc. is a study in both irony and nonsense. You reek of an obvious case of big-word-envy. "Where does it come from?" is a question you ought to spend some time mulling over.

    What is even more amusing is that your grammar is badly flawed. I'll point out one, mainly because you chose to highlight it; but there are many others.

    "Because whomever wrote it obviously...." is incorrect. "Whom", is used to refer to the object of a verb or a preposition. "Whoever", is appropriate.


    There you go. Free grammar lesson for youse.
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  224. @jilles dykstra
    The Protocols indeed where written on request of the tzarist secret police.

    " The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery made in Russia for the Okhrana (secret police), which blames the Jews for the country's ills. It was first privately printed in 1897 and was made public in 1905. It is copied from a nineteenth century novel by Hermann Goedsche (Biarritz, 1868) and claims that a secret Jewish cabal is plotting to take over the world.

    The basic story was composed by Goedsche, a German novelist and anti-Semite who used the pseudonym of Sir John Retcliffe. Goedsche stole the main story from another writer, Maurice Joly, whose Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu (1864) involved a Hellish plot aimed at opposing Napoleon III. Goedsche's original contribution consists mainly of introducing Jews to do the plotting to take over the world.

    The Russians used big chunks of a Russian translation of Goedsche's novel, published it separately as the Protocols, and claimed they we