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President Donald Trump poses for photos with ceremonial swordsmen on his arrival to Murabba Palace, as the guest of King Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud of Saudi Arabia, Saturday evening, May 20, 2017, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. (Official White House Photo by Shealah Craighead)

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One might postulate that the United States is regularly supporting so-called allies whose very nature will eventually generate blowback that will do terrible damage to actual American interests. The recent example of the mass shooting at the Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida by Saudi Second Lieutenant Mohammed Alshamrani is illustrative. Alshamrani killed three American sailors while three other Saudi students filmed what was taking place, presumably for posting on social media.

Though the U.S. and The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia have no actual alliance, the American and Saudi militaries have a relationship that began during the Second World War. Currently, Washington supports Riyadh as a force multiplier and extension of U.S. power in the Persian Gulf region to serve as a check on what if perceives to be as hostile Iran. Saudi Arabia, nurturing its own regional ambitions, clearly sees Iran as its principal enemy. As the White House also appears keen to do whatever is necessary to bring about regime change in Tehran, the tendency in Washington to serve as an apologist for whatever Riyadh does will continue for the foreseeable future. And, as an added bonus, the Saudis buy billions of dollars’ worth of American made weapons annually.

Someone has to train the people who fly the expensive warplanes, so Saudi Air Force “students” are sent to American bases like Pensacola where they undergo language and flight training that is normally conducted by civilian contractors. The student pilots, surely carefully screened by Saudi security, would be unlikely candidates for staging a terrorist attack in the United States, but the Alshamrani incident suggests that there is more dissidence bubbling beneath the surface than is apparent from the rosy assurances about The Kingdom coming out of the White House and the Royal Palace in Riyadh.

The investigation of Alshamrani continues, but it seems clear that he was unhappy with aspects of America’s pro-Israel and interventionist foreign policy. He also connected with radical websites on social media and his colleagues report that he would periodically return to the U.S. from home leave in Saudi Arabia “more religious.” On the night before the incident, he showed a film that included a mass shooting.

Alshamrani is just one element in the considerable potential downside inherent in the undeclared bilateral relationship. Apart from the regional instability created by the fact that Washington has to look the other way while the Saudis use American weapons to carry out genocide in neighboring Yemen, many observers believe that Saudi Arabia is basically unstable. Its prevailing fundamentalist Islamic sect referred to as Wahhabism is backward looking and hostile to the United States and the West. Some have even suggested that a large majority of ordinary Saudis, i.e. not those who benefit from the bilateral relationship, hate the U.S. One recalls that fifteen out of the nineteen 9/11 hijackers were Saudi nationals.

All of which means that the United States is training and arming people who just might turn their training and weapons against Washington if the al-Saud royal family cannot stay in power. The situation is somewhat comparable to that in Afghanistan, where so-called “green-on-blue” incidents in which Afghan army recruits kill their foreign trainers occur on a regular basis. The chief difference is that should the Saudi dissidents gain power, they would have a huge and much more lethally sophisticated arsenal to play around with.

Other regional powers are watching how the situation involving the American presence in Saudi Arabia develops. Recently Iran’s leader Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei commented on media reports that the Saudis would be constructing U.S. provided nuclear reactors. He said “I do not know of any regime in the region and perhaps the world as bad as the Saudi government. It is not only despotic, dictatorial, corrupt and tyrannical but also sycophantic. [The Americans] want to supply [the Saudis] with nuclear equipment. They have announced to build missile manufacturing centers for it [and] they see no problem because Saudi Arabia depends on them and belongs to them. Of course, if they build them, I personally will not be upset because I know that God willing [all the weapons] will fall into the hands of Muslim Mujahedin [for use against the Americans] in the not too distant future.”

The current situation with the House of Saud is not good. It is a regime that is under considerable pressure because of its corruption. Internationally, it has few friends due to its widely condemned war in Yemen as well as from the consequences arising over the killing and dismembering in Istanbul of Jamal Khashoggi. The situation also invites comparison with other current and past U.S. relationships in the region. Washington props up an unpopular and unstable regime headed by President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi in Egypt while also funding and training the country’s military. In the past, the U.S. was the main arms supplier for the Shah’s Iran, ignoring abuses committed by the regime because Iran was perceived to be a major regional power, reliably stable and apparently western looking.

The United States is also in trouble with its other major regional partner in the Middle East, Israel. As is the case with Saudi Arabia, the United States has no actual alliance or pact with the Jewish state, though such an arrangement is currently being considered. As in the case of Saudi Arabia, the United States has no say in the military actions being undertaken by its client Israel. The Jewish state regularly bombs targets in Gaza, Syria and in Lebanon, just as the Saudis do in Yemen. As the United States is the arms supplier to both nations and is more-or-less the de facto guarantor of a one-sided stability in the region, it has self-assumed responsibilities without having any input into the decisions making process. Trump’s obsession with destroying Iran, which has promised to do in his next term, makes him blind to the deficiencies in the allies he seeks to use to that end.

The situation with Israel is particularly dangerous as the Jewish state possesses a nuclear arsenal and it is widely believed that many in its military command structure are prepared to use those devices against Iran. In 2015, Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon explained how Israel might have to strike Iran hard to prevent a long war. He cited the examples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then describing the process for making such a decision as “at the end, we might take certain steps.”

Either way, the United States of America is burdened with a number of false allies that use the relationship with Washington to enable their own schemes. If and when the whole house of cards begins to collapse, the U.S. will plausibly find itself with no friends and confronted by enemies that it empowered and also helped to train and equip.

Philip M. Giraldi is a former CIA counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer who served nineteen years overseas in Turkey, Italy, Germany, and Spain. He was the CIA Chief of Base for the Barcelona Olympics in 1992 and was one of the first Americans to enter Afghanistan in December 2001. Phil is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a Washington-based advocacy group that seeks to encourage and promote a U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East that is consistent with American values and interests.

(Republished from American Herald Tribune by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. CK says:

    Nations are not people. People have friends and enemies. Nations have neighbours and interests.
    When one stops thinking in terms of friends and enemies one can develop a better evaluation of what is a currently important interest and what is a less or not currently important national interest.
    Canada, Mexico, Cuba and Russia are our neighbours and command various levels of interest in the government.

  2. ” Today’s unreliable friends: Today’s allies are tomorrow’s enemies”

    Put Germany at the top of the list: The deranged Teutons have gone full blown Grün, Greta and Morgantau. They are rabid with DTS and they worship the ground BO walks on, they consider the US to be a friend only when a Democrat is in the white house, and their DTS infects their so-called “conservative” party namely the CDU.
    Their foreign minster actually labeled DT as a “Hassprediger” : a hate preacher. I could go on and on but will end with this synopsis : Germany the source of the most perfidious evil : Communism, ( Marx was jewish AND German) Pyschology ( okay Freud was Austrian ), Heroin, authority worship, the Green madness, Antifa, the list is huge, and now they are pushing to eliminate privately owned automobiles to “save the climate”.

    Authenticjazzman , “Mensa” qualified ince 1973, airborne trained US Ary vet, and pro jazz artist.

  3. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    [The situation with Israel is particularly dangerous as the Jewish state possesses a nuclear arsenal and it is widely believed that many in its military command structure are prepared to use those devices against Iran.]

    Only a TRAITOR and zionist pro Israel, like Trump, cooperates with the criminal Tribe, against Iran. Only a Jewish mafia member like Trump can be BLACKMAILED by the sex traffickers Epstein to implement more sanctions against Iran targeting Iran’s GRAIN, FOOD, and MEDICINE. Only a COWARD like Trump can be manipulated and be used by the criminal Tribe.

    The Jewish mafia at the house of Israel, US treasury, is designing more SANCTION against Iran food and medicine delivery to Iran, so Iran is forced to surrendered or be destroyed by the Jewish mafia mass murderers. Trump has FULL cooperation with these criminal like himself. Those who are supporting a criminal fifth column must wake up and target this traitor.

    U.S. sanctions on Iran threaten access by some Iranians to medicines that treat diseases such as cancer and epilepsy, despite exemptions in the measures for imports of humanitarian goods.

    How Trump continues to restrict humanitarian trade with Iran

    The Donald Trump administration on Wednesday sanctioned Tehran’s biggest airline and shipping network, charging them with transporting Iranian weapons in a move that could further restrict the flow of humanitarian goods into Iran.

    The Treasury Department sanctioned Mahan Air, accusing it of flying soldiers and lethal aid into Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad. At the same time, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced that the United States will sanction the Shanghai-based ESAIL shipping company starting June 2020, asserting that it “knowingly transports illicit materials from Iran’s aerospace industries organization, which oversees all of Iran’s missile industry.”

    Why it matters: While the Treasury Department maintains a formal sanctions exemption for humanitarian trade with Iran, the sanctions on ESAIL are likely to pose another obstacle on Tehran’s ability to import food and medicine.

    After Pompeo announced the sanctions, the Treasury Department website posted guidance noting that the ESAIL sanctions will cover “agricultural commodities, food, medicine or medical devices,” warning that anyone who engages in humanitarian transactions risks “exposure to sanctions.”

    https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2019/12/intel-trump-sanction-mahan-airline-humanitarian-trade-iran.html

    The Trump administration has already sanctioned Iranian banks that had previously facilitated humanitarian trade and issued designations that complicate European efforts to continue trading in food and medicine with Tehran.

    What’s next: The sanctions don’t go into effect for another six months, shortly before the US elections next year. The majority of Democratic candidates for president have vowed to reenter the nuclear deal and lift sanctions on Iran.

    Kill the criminal Tribe and its fifth column by VOTING for Elizabeth Warren.

    The criminal tribe brought a black face pro zionist, Dual Patrick, to steal Black votes from Warren, not knowing that Black people are not dumb to be manipulated again.

    The zinist tribe is trying to manipulate votes by promoting a gay candidate, Pete Buttigieg. Don’t be fooled. He is not popular with anyone even that clown may have a sexy BUTT.

    Kill the fifth column traitor re election by Voting for Elizabeth Warren. Trump knows his opponent will be Warren and he already begged the criminal Zionists at the IAC conference. He is so ignorant not knowing that the tribe ONLY use and throw in the garbage bin, looking for a new clown to get a rid. better DEAL.
    Let Trump go down into the garbage bin as a traitor. He deserves it.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @anon
  4. A123 says:

    There is no natural affinity between any Christian country and any Muslim country.

    Thus, the author is correct, the relationship between the Muslim KSA and Christian U.S. will eventually separate.

    Iran is an fanatical theocracy, developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missles. As long as Iran threatens the people of the world with Armageddon — the U.S. and the KSA will continue to *need* each other. When the violent Iranian regime falls, the Iranian people will be able to rejoin the community of civilized nations.

    Parodoxicially, the end of the authoritarian rule of the Ayatollahs also signals the end of close U.S.-KSA ties. This could become the next flashpoint. Hopefully, the separation will be gradual and peaceful, but there is no guarantee of that. As the recent events in Pensacola show, mixing Saudi Muslims and Christian Americans leads to violence.

    PEACE 😇

  5. @Authenticjazzman

    Heroin was developed as a cough medicine (works like a charm) and a less addictive alternative to morphine (dito). I repudiate the rest as pure unadulterated machloikes 😀

    – The US has no “allies”, only a massa, a poodle, and a spectrum of toadies/occupied countries.

    – The House of Saud is widely considered illegitimate, and not only by Hashemites (the ruling dynasty of Mecca descended from the Prophet pbuh). Their reliance on Wahhabite Puritanism is an attempt to deflect that.

    – Most of the actual oil provinces are Shia (there is a reason the Gulf is called “Persian” and not “Lake Monroe” 😛 ) and the problem of legtimacy extends to Bahrain (especially), Kuwait, Southern Iraq and Northwest Syria.
    (The British used to joke they handed the realms to the first camel thief who swore allegiance to them)

    – The wise thing would be to get out, but the US stakes are too deep/high.
    Without the ability to deny oil (that they themselves don´t need) to anyone they could force no one to buy (=exchange actual value for) dollah – which would mean more than the end of the Empire.
    And the stakes cannot be raised indefinitely … sooner or later something will break.

  6. As usual, Philip Giraldi provides good writing and food for thought.

    “but the Alshamrani incident suggests that there is more dissidence bubbling beneath the surface than is apparent from the rosy assurances about The Kingdom coming out of the White House and the Royal Palace in Riyadh.”

    Indeed. It is a very conservative country dominated by a very conservative branch of its religion.

    Those are real forces inside any society and things which do not evolve or change with any speed.

    We have to think in terms of lifetimes.

    And its leadership, the House of Saud, is not part of the region’s ancient, stable history but a relatively new addition, going back only a decade or so before Israel’s founding. It really represents another interloper.

    I am sure many ordinary Saudis are offended at the increased American presence in their country, representing, as it does to them, a sacred place like no other.

    And the new close cooperation with Israel, acting much as covert allies, while largely kept secret, couldn’t help but offend some who would become aware of it.

    Playing with fire? Quite possibly. There may already have been some unknown events in Saudi Arabia with the mysterious murder of the King’s faithful chief bodyguard and a fire at the new Jeddah high-speed rail station recently plus the sending of significant new American forces, likely as bodyguards more than as countering any (nonexistent) threat from Iran.

    “In 2015, Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon explained how Israel might have to strike Iran hard to prevent a long war. He cited the examples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki…”

    I am reminded of a remark Hitler once made about whether anyone even remembered the Armenian genocide.

    America is playing dangerous games with dangerous people.

    Instead, of course it should be the one to represent and enforce the rule of law in the region.

    But it cannot do so because Israel is something like undeveloped Siamese twin attached in vital ways to its body.

    Israel exhibits no respect for the rule of law, caring only for narrowly-defined interests of control and expansion. We must never forget for the long-term, no matter what Israel does for temporary advantage, those five or six million Palestinians aren’t going anywhere.

    Of course, the relationship with Saudi Arabia derives in many ways from the relationship with Israel. The Crown Prince is seen in Israel as part of a new relationship with the region, almost a parody of making good neighbors out of old enemies.

    The Crown Prince has done so many dirty deeds to ingratiate himself with Israel (and, ergo, the United States), from the horrors in Syria to the horrors in Yemen. He has earned Israel’s good will, so much so that it supported the sale of tens of billions in American armaments to the Crown Prince, something it would never have done in the past.

    It’s the kind of sale Trump loves, believing he’s making America richer and spreading American influence in the region, all while crowing about his own incomparable “salesmanship,” but that’s a very superficial view.

    Such weapons are nothing on which to build a future. They only increase overall uncertainty and risk. Just look at what they encouraged the Crown Prince to do in Yemen, earning himself surprise attacks and a very prominent black eye, adding to everyone’s sense of greater instability.

    Without even touching on the unwarranted hostility against that major, ancient country of Iran, the United States is doing nothing helpful or creative in the region. It is building only the possibility for more war and destruction, a badly distorted mirror image of China’s efforts abroad to build infrastructure, promoting trade and prosperity for billions of people.

  7. Why O Why says:

    These aren’t false allies of America, these are genuine allies of CIA. When a future agent like Alshamran goes off half-cocked it’s only a problem for the cannon fodder, or for the disposable shlubs that got squashed like bugs in OKC, WTC I, or WTC II. Alshamran’s kinetic tantrum will justify lots of nifty new repressive capacity which CIA can turn on ideological enemies like Assange, Josh Schulte, or other human rights defenders.

    Nobody blames you. The crime was above your pay grade. But you’ve to stop pretending that crime with impunity is fuckups. Nobody buys that anymore. They don’t do it cause they’re stupid. They do it cause they get away with it.

  8. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Bringing of Jews to USA destroyed USA . No chance of recovery . USA is the last in the lines of the empires – Egypt Persia Assyria, Moorish Spain, Great Britain, and Wiemar Republic – destroyed by the Jews.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @2stateshmustate
    , @geokat62
  9. barr says:

    “rump’s move was barely announced before a member of congress attempted to use the new playbook. Rep. Denver Riggleman (R-VA) has sent a letter to Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos asking for Georgetown University to be investigated over its alleged anti-Israel bias.” mondoweiss

    Rep. Denver Riggleman (R-VA like LBJ in 50s and like Petraues in post 2010 is asking the Jewish group ” Please don’t forget me “

  10. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    [Iran is an fanatical theocracy, developing nuclear weapons and ballistic missles.]

    Stop your lies at once, since no one takes you, the zionist troll, seriously.

    To have fun, read the ‘protocol’ to know about your CRIMES AGAINST humanity liar and how you
    manipulate and blackmail humanity, idiot.

  11. MarkinLA says:

    As long as the Saudi’s continue to price their oil only in dollars, we are tied to them as it makes the dollar the world’s reserve currency. This allows us the ability to pursue our sanctions BS.

    We made this bed ourselves.

    • Agree: Bubba
  12. Rebel0007 says:

    Exporting weapons is just a totally stupid idea. Yes, the weapons that the U.S. has exported have been and will continue to be used against us, our allies, trade partners, and peaceful people.

    It is really a shame that the oil industry in America has continued to jeopardize our national security interests in this way!

    Venezuela was looking for an oil export market. The U.S. government and military once again decided that the needs of the U.S. oil industry outweigh the needs of national security.

    The Rockefellers have done more harm to American national and economic security than all terrorists in existence combined. That is an absolute fact!

    • Replies: @Amon
  13. Rebel0007 says:

    .Exporting weapons is just a totally stupid idea. Yes, the weapons that the U.S. has exported have been and will continue to be used against our allies, trade partners, and peaceful people.

    It is really a shame that the oil industry in America has continued to jeopardize our national security interests in thus way! 

    Venezuela and Iran were looking for an oil export market. The U.S. government and military once again decided that the needs of the U.S oil industry outweigh the needs of national security.

    The Rockefellers have done more harm to American national and economic security than all terrorists in existence combined. That is an absolute fact! 

    The Rockefellers started the Federal Reserve, the CIA formerly referred to as the Rockefeller office, and has led us into the majority of wars in the Middle East and Latin America, and is responsible for the Paris Agreement, giving them something for nothing in carboc credits!
    The Rockefellers also prevented car manufacturers from developing electric cars, even though the first 4 cars invented were electric, and Ford thought that all would be, so he purchased the Niagra Power plant, and also had the DoD request that Lockheed’s first plane, Suntan 400 which was a hydrogen plane be transformed to a fossil fuel plane.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  14. Anyone who has lived in Saudi Arabia (as I have) knows that the House of Saud has many enemies. The Saud tribe gained power by force and have kept it by force over other tribes ever since. It’s a tribal country. Loyalty to tribe is deeper than loyalty to “country”.

    Too bad Giraldi, who is such a good writer and critic of our ZOG foreign policy, has to mention 19 Arab hijackers for 9/11. The Saudis had nothing to do with 9/11. Ask the “dancing Israelis” about 9/11. They might be able to tell us something.

  15. anon[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Kushner’s father betrayed his own sister and maligned the brother in law. Kushner will have no problem in betraying Trump.

  16. I hadn’t heard about Khamenei ‘s comments on the US supplying the Saudis with more weapons. I think he’s right. Sooner or later these hated Arab dictators, including Jordan’s will be overthrown. Most likely in the middle of of US/Israeli war against Iran. It can’t happen soon enough as far as I’m concerned.
    Regarding Israel using nukes to destroy Iran. It’s possible they’ll try it. I mean they didn’t have any problem doing the 911 false flag attack. If they do, I’ll bet Israel will be nuked off the face of the earth. On top of which, it won’t stop the missiles from flying into Tel Aviv.

  17. @anon

    It could be argued that even more important, they destroyed the republic first. Fuck the Empire, it was never in the interest of average Americans.

  18. anonymous[390] • Disclaimer says:

    The Shah of Iran purchased huge amounts of weaponry from the US. When he was overthrown were they able to turn those weapons against the US? No, they lacked spare parts and weren’t able to use much of it even against the invading Iraqis. The Saudis can’t operate what we’ve sold them; they need Americans to train them and to actually operate it all on behalf of the Saudis. Few people would know anything about what public opinion might be in SA, assuming that there is even such a thing there. Since the US has targeted Muslim countries it’s difficult to simultaneously posture as being a friend to them. However, we’re too tied to the regime in so many ways to simply walk away. For the good of the us, if not the Saudi public, we have to find ways to prop them up. Any replacement would be far worse for everyone. The modernizing Shah was replaced with the obscurantist Khomeni, hardly an improvement. Khasshogi is just one person; hundreds of thousands could die in any upheaval.
    The Israeli public is not anti-American and they rely on the US, making us the ones who could restrain their excesses should the US find the political will to do so. Could they dump us and turn to Russia or anyone else?

  19. @A123

    Iranians do not marry their cousins. Saudis do. In a fair fight, the much-smarter Iranians would kick camel-jockey butt.

  20. MarkinLA says:
    @Rebel0007

    The Rockefellers also prevented car manufacturers from developing electric cars, even though the first 4 cars invented were electric,

    Early cars were also steam powered. That also means nothing. Battery technology is not that simple to develop. It requires an understanding of chemical reactions and the ability to manufacture them such that they can be safely put in something that may crash or start on fire. Until lithium batteries we had the occasional project cars where the entire trunk was filled with lead-acid batteries which take a long time to recharge. That never made sense compared to gasoline engines.

    As for hydrogen, it is not something easily handled and controlled for something in that same circumstance. UCLA was developing a hydrogen powered mail cart 40 years ago and gave up on it because you have to have very high pressure hydrogen tanks. Imaging one of those in an accident.

    The DOD didn’t exist until after WWII. Prior to that it was known as the Department of War.

  21. unit472 says:

    I’ve got to agree with Giraldi here. After 9/11 and several follow on incidents of problems with MIC ( not an acronym for Military Industrial Complex but one for Muslim in Cockpit) and almost 20 years worth of US military instructors being shot to death by their ‘students’ in Afghanistan you’d think we would have learned something.

    The ability of Gulf states to absorb and operate US military equipment is very low. The experience of Iran is illustrative. Given our most advanced fighter of the 1970s, the F-14 Tomcat, the Iranians were unable to fight off Saddam’s second rate Soviet supplied aviation once war broke out between those two nations just a few years later. While Israel is able to pummel Syria at will with relatively ancient F-15 and 16 aircraft despite Russian supplied SAM systems, Saudi Arabia operating those same aircraft against no air or sophisticated air defense systems in Yemen have been ineffective. Thus I do not worry about our aircraft being used against us. The danger is their nationals just being in the US. Certainly, if we want to pass ‘gun control’ laws we might consider not allowing Saudi 2nd Lieutenants in the US for flight training to head over to a gun store in Pensacola and buy a handgun! Why wasn’t he deported when the background check showed he had applied to purchase that weapon? He might not be able to dogfight against an Israeli pilot in an F-15 but any idiot can shoot someone to death with a Glock!

  22. @Authenticjazzman

    The same mindless Germabashing again. But:

    „ Was kümmert es die deutsche Eiche, wenn sich ein Borstenvieh dran wetzt?“

    “What does the German oak care if a hog brushes on it?”

    Watching you displaying your intellectual restrictions helps to understand why your country and the world are in such a miserable condition. BTW you forget to mention Hitler. He was. – well, an Austrian, but who cares. He was from the same region, somewhere west of Russia.

  23. In 2015, Israeli defense minister Moshe Ya’alon explained how Israel might have to strike Iran hard to prevent a long war. He cited the examples of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and then describing the process for making such a decision as “at the end, we might take certain steps.”

    Sure, and in WW1, the Germans were going to crush France in six weeks and then finish off the Russians. Worked so well that they tried it again.

  24. @Authenticjazzman

    A de-industrialised EU full of third world migrants will be heaven on earth.

    • Replies: @Amon
  25. geokat62 says:
    @anon

    USA is the last in the lines of the empires – Egypt Persia Assyria, Moorish Spain, Great Britain, and Wiemar Republic – destroyed by the Jews.

    You missed one:

    USA is the last in the lines of the empires – Egypt Persia Assyria, Moorish Spain, Russia, Great Britain, and Wiemar Republic – destroyed by the Jews.

    • Agree: druid55
  26. @unit472

    Certainly, if we want to pass ‘gun control’ laws we might consider not allowing Saudi 2nd Lieutenants in the US for flight training to head over to a gun store in Pensacola and buy a handgun! Why wasn’t he deported when the background check showed he had applied to purchase that weapon?

    Because the ACLU would file suit on his behalf. Hey, he had some sort of special visa giving him rights. Of course he should be allowed to buy hand cannons. It used to be gun ranges would ban anyone from a long list of Arab countries. Guess what, the ACLU sued and now you’re standing right next to a tourist from Egypt as you practice your range skills.

  27. @unit472

    Given our most advanced fighter of the 1970s, the F-14 Tomcat, the Iranians were unable to fight off Saddam’s second rate Soviet supplied aviation once war broke out between those two nations just a few years later.

    According to Ronen Bergman in The Secret War with Iran: The 30-Year Clandestine Struggle Against the World’s Most Dangerous Terrorist Power (if you fail to see the hyper-hypocrisy in the title, by the author of “Rise and Kill First,” get thee to a brain scannery), Israel “sold sold sold weapons to Iran” throughout the Iran-Iraq war, in violation of US sanctions on weapons sales (yeah, right); in hopes the two states would kill each other, and also — to test and perfect Israeli weapons systems. They sold inferior or Stuxnetted weapons to Iran.


    Selling weapons to Iran was a major industry in the 1970s. All the US Military academies were involved in contracting for weapons systems to Iran, and in training Iranians. In the Shah’s era, there were more Iranians at US STEM universities than any other ethnic group.

    Point is — there are several factors involved in “the Iranians [inability] to fight off Saddam’s second rate Soviet supplied aviation.” Maybe they just lacked the blood-lust.

    I’m bigoted. I think Iranians are smarter & far more intrinsically technologically capable than Saudi Arabs, so I would concur with assessments that Saudis are incapable of handling the weaponry US sells them.

    But consider this: US warriors are supremely capable of handling the high-tech weapons US defense contractors produce.
    hoo-wah.
    But they don’t know how to aim the damn things.
    They are stupid as a box of rocks when it comes to figuring out who the f#@k is their (((enemy.)))

    • Agree: Exile
    • Replies: @Apex Predator
  28. Back in May, 2017, when the event occurred, Col. Lang had a field-day with the event and photo that tops Phil Giraldi’s article today —

    https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/05/httpwwwfoxnewscompolitics20170522israeli-minister-expresses-concerns-over-us-saudi-arabia-deal-ahead-trump-visitht.html

    “What I saw was a carefully staged spectacle in which the Saudis brought together most of the political leaders in the Islamic World to witness President Trump’s acceptance of Saudi leadership in the Middle East. [Trump became “the Mukhtar, the chosen one, chosen by the ruling force in the country, selected to administer the district with the backing of the government’s money.”]

    In the Arab World when someone submits to you and accepts your money as a follower and tool, the culturally authentic thing to do is to make the experience as painless as possible.

    The Saudis will now expect that the US will understand that their $110 billion in defense purchases and $40 billion in contributions from the Saudi state’s sovereign wealth fund will buy power in Washington and that their carefully and politely stated demands will be greeted with great receptivity in the future.

  29. Miro23 says:

    Trump’s obsession with destroying Iran, which has promised to do in his next term, makes him blind to the deficiencies in the allies he seeks to use to that end.

    The situation with Israel is particularly dangerous as the Jewish state possesses a nuclear arsenal and it is widely believed that many in its military command structure are prepared to use those devices against Iran.

    Put that together with Pepe Escobar’s article on Iran, and America/Israel’s Iran war could involve Russia and China:

    Tehran continues to sell oil – as Persian Gulf traders have repeatedly confirmed to me since last summer. Digital tracking agency Tankertrackers.com concurs. The top two destinations are China and Syria. Volumes hover around 700,000 barrels a day. Beijing has solemnly ignored every sanction threat from Washington regarding oil trading with Iran.

    Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Hossein Khanzadi confirmed that Iran will hold joint naval drills with Russia and China in the Indian Ocean in late December.

    That came out of quite a significant meeting in Tehran, between Khanzadi and the deputy chief of the Chinese Joint Staff Department, Major General Shao Yuanming.

    That’s a solid Chinese commitment to Iran.

  30. Sean says:

    The student pilots, surely carefully screened by Saudi security, would be unlikely candidates for staging a terrorist attack in the United States, but the Alshamrani incident suggests that there is more dissidence bubbling beneath the surface than is apparent from the rosy assurances about The Kingdom coming out of the White House and the Royal Palace in Riyadh.

    The average Saudi Arabian objects to an infidel (American) Army being in Saudi Arabia to protect The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (ie Saudi family dictatorship) from another Muslim country. So when Bin Laden did 9/11, as a protest of the US army being in Saudi Arabia Iraq had to be invaded to protect the Saud family dictatorship from its population by enabling the removal of the US army from Saudi Arabia.

    Having learned something, the US is avoiding sending its sending the 12,000 strong extra troops for the Middle East Trump recently announced to to Saudi Arabia, but it is Saudi Arabia they will be protecting (as best they can without being there). Which is not very well, but there are 70,000 US troops in an around the Middle East. The neocons wanted to do Iran first before Afghanistan, and capturing Osama bin Laden was not much of a priority it was left to a bunch of women in the slow lane of the CIA . The high priority was pacifying the restive Saudi populace by getting the US army (in Saudi Arabia to protect its family dictatorship from Saddam’s Iraq) out of Saudi Arabia. So Saddam had to be taken out. Rightly or wrongly America strategists see Saudi Arabia as a prize they and only they must control. I expect an attack on Iran after the election, because the US presence in Saudi Arabia cannot be increased and must be protected from Iran, but Saudi Arabia is fundamentally unstable for the following reasons.
    1. Youth bulge .

    2.They are being forced to cut subsidies. The protests that started the Syrian civil war came soon after after cuts to fuel and other subsidies.

    3. Saudi Arabia has weak military because the royals are worried about coups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%932019_Qatif_unrest#2019

    4. Political, economic, and military pressure on Saudi Arabia by Iran. Iran’s efforts to solidify its control over the Middle East are achieving success, the nuclear programme is expensive but the real danger is in the developing Shia crescent that is rapidly allowing Iran to become the region’s ordering power.

    OT a book you might be interested in
    https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190705-israels-armor-the-israel-lobby-and-the-first-generation-of-the-palestine-conflict/

    • Replies: @Druid
    , @Colin Wright
  31. Amon says:
    @Rebel0007

    It is really a shame that the oil industry in America has continued to jeopardize our national security interests in this way!

    It was actually the military industrial complex that pushed for the right to sell US tech to foreign nations.

    Since the F16 was so gosh darn good at dominating the skies, the US air force saw no need to push for new tech. They were ahead of the soviets, the chinese and western Europe so they settled for what they had. In comes the weapons producers and lobby for the right to sell and bam, Iran and everyone else suddenly has F16s so the US needed a better model to stay ahead which got sold to everyone else as well.

    Its a fake demand and supply gravy trains that keeps the billions pouring out of the government treasury each year.

  32. Amon says:
    @The Alarmist

    And a latino/black overrun USA will be a utopia onto god of endless misery and suffering for all whites.

  33. Blind nation that turns their back on God,
    They can no longer tell friend from foe.
    Alone and hated, their ways are woe.
    Enemies come with vengeance’s rod.

  34. Druid says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    The first Mensa idiot in history is back. Actually, I’ve known one other. Also pushed his Mensa status, but was an idiot as well.

  35. Druid says:
    @A123

    The zoos are still here. Tiresome!

  36. Rebel0007 says:

    @Amon

    Pretty sure that the military has resorted to barrel bombs to cut costs. I believe that the primary reason for these wars is divert large sums of Pentagon money to Wall Street. This does not add up! $19 trillion misding from Pentagon since 9/11 attacks, $2.3 trillion missing prior to 9/11 attacks, faked 9/11 attacks on World Trade towers and Pentagon, ( couldn’t do a damn thing to stop it! ),
    plus $400 billion of imported heroin a year.

    Even if the military is actually there to fight terrorists, which they are not, since they created, trained, and assisted them, this would not cost $1 trillion a year!

    Also add defense weapon sales to countries, and oil imports from Aramco.

    The Good Jobs First Program started by the Rockefellers Studies Institute, created after the 2008 crash, right after Obama was sworn in has listed almost every publicly traded company and many foreign companies, and small privately owned companies that nobody has ever heard, of are now listed as defense contractors recieving money from the Pentagon. Companies like Coca Cola, Nike, Pizza Hut are now defense contractors? No wonder exports are down! Lol!

    So are all of the tech and utility companies! They spy on us to steal from us for defense? That is treason!

    I don’t drink Coke, or eat Pizza Hut, or use Facebook, but the crony trickle up communists decided amongst themselves that they alone are indespensible for the future of America!

    It’s a swindle!

  37. Druid says:
    @Sean

    Stopped reading when you said Bin Laden did 911. Then remembered that you’re one of the crazy zios

    • Replies: @Sean
  38. Rebel0007 says:

    Who was the “master mind” behind the 9/11 attacks and why is everyone protecting him? Was it Stanley Fischer who is safely in Israel with his family now, or Alan Greenspan who discovered that his model of the world didn’t work the way that he thought that the world worked? Was it Dick Cheney? My guess is that as much as people despise Cheney that it would have come out if it was his idea. Since the Pentagon was involved in the attack, it couldn’t have just been Larry Sylverstein. Was it Colin Powell? Conaleeza Rice?

    Who dunnit? All of the above?

    Spill the beans! Many know and refuse to talk! Loose morals sink countries, economies, and ships!

  39. @SolontoCroesus

    I’m bigoted. I think Iranians are smarter & far more intrinsically technologically capable than Saudi Arabs, so I would concur with assessments that Saudis are incapable of handling the weaponry US sells them.

    Probably because you understand the difference between Persians & Arabs, most dim Westerners don’t get it. Persia had an empire when much of Europe was still barbarian tribesmen. Arabs? Not so much, nomadic desert camel people like the Bedouin. The worst thing that ever happened to Persia was Arabs & Islam. That is why they are a shadow of their former greatness. Backwards religious conquest of their people and dysgenic breeding with same said conquerors.

  40. Rebel0007 says:

    @Amon

    Sounds like you need ny father’s advice ” You really worry me when you start linking all of these things together into one giant conspiracy. You have to believe me. It isn’t real.”

    Of course the reply was always, ” Yes. It is real!”

  41. @Sean

    ‘The average Saudi Arabian objects to an infidel (American) Army being in Saudi Arabia to protect The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques (ie Saudi family dictatorship) from another Muslim country. So when Bin Laden did 9/11, as a protest of the US army being in Saudi Arabia Iraq had to be invaded to protect the Saud family dictatorship from its population by enabling the removal of the US army from Saudi Arabia…’

    Israel and the Neo Cons, of course, had no interest in overthrowing Saddam Hussein and wrecking the Iraqi state. It was entirely the doing of the Saudis.

    Aaron, A123, Fran et al are earnest enough — but they don’t accomplish much. I’m beginning to think that if Unz Review does merit the services of a professional hasbarat, it’s you.

    • Replies: @Sean
  42. @Hotzenplotz

    His or her comments past and present can only be explained by the Dunning-Kruger (Krüger) effect.

    The same applies to the guy who keeps posting from Sombreroland.

  43. Exile says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Re: “Authenticjazzman” – never trust anyone who flashes their Mensa badge in any discussion, much less every discussion.

    For those not familiar with Mensa-holes, just imagine the worst 10% of a roomful of libertarians.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
  44. The 19th century British statesman Lord Palmerston said: “We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual…”
    Within a century the powers fought their first world war. A century on we look as though we are about to fight our third. Capitals should heed the warning of history.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  45. @A123

    Fact is that most of us would feel a lot more comfortable with a bunch of wild-eyed Ayatollahs ogling their shiny new “Mahdi* II” nuke than with Israel´s Jericho II.
    They are so much more reasonable …

    * lit. “the well-guided” 😛

    • Replies: @A123
  46. Sean says:
    @Druid

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Grand_Mosque_seizure
    The Grand Mosque seizure[6] occurred during November and December 1979 when armed civilians calling for the overthrow of the House of Saud took over Masjid al-Haram in Mecca, Saudi Arabia. The insurgents declared that the Mahdi (the “redeemer of Islam”)

    Bin Laden’s father who rose from poverty to become a construction magnate had so over engineered the complex that it was built like a fortress and explosive failed to blow holes through the wall properly, the Saud prince leading the re taking joked that Bin Laden’s father ought to be beheaded for giving them so much trouble.

    Bin Laden studied civil engineering , seems to have inherited his father’s organising ability, and crucially got things done with extraordinarily simple and brutal methods. His friend Alden Khashoggi (later to be the one to write stories portraying bin Laden as a powerful leader of resistance against the infidel Soviets in Afghanistan) saw that young bin Laden had made two rooms into one by smashing through a wall with sledgehammer leaving a jagged broken brick hole (the BBC had reported that Islamic Preachers in London were advocating crashing airliners into skyscrapers and the WTC was not built like the Empire State Building)

    Shortly after news of the takeover was released, the new Islamic revolutionary leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini, told radio listeners, “It is not beyond guessing that this is the work of criminal American imperialism and international Zionism.”[43][44] Anger fuelled by these rumours spread anti-American demonstrations throughout the Muslim world—in the Philippines, Turkey, Bangladesh, eastern Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Pakistan.[45] In Islamabad, Pakistan, on the day following the takeover, the U.S. embassy in that city was overrun by a mob, which burned the embassy to the ground. A week later, in Tripoli, Libya, another mob attacked and burned the U.S. embassy.[46][47]

  47. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Saudi ambassador at the time (unlikely to be Jewish or bribe-able) was red hot for an invasion to overthrow Saddam. American strategists regard Saudi Arabia as a the richest prize in the world and a client state so they had to invade Iraq and neutralize it as a threat in order to be able to withdraw their army (that had been there since Saddam had been kicked out of Kuwait, but left in power in Iraq) in order to quiet domestic unrest in Saudi Arabia and retain it within the US’s orbit. Otherwise, everyone in the West will be the poorer for it.

    Saudi Arabia furiously complains about the treatment of the Arab minority in Iran even though they are Shia. Arabs and Persians see each other as enemies, the Saudis gave Saddam $40 billion when he was trying to crush Revolutionary Iran back on the early eighties. Don’t think the Saidi’s ever were any great friend of the Shah, it was just he was close to the Americans. Adnan Khashoggi the arms dealer said he never understood what the US was trying to achieve by giving Iran under the the Shah insane amounts of arms, because it made Arab countries fearful and destabilized the whole region.

    The title of the post is ‘America’s Unreliable Friends: Today’s Allies Are Tomorrow’s Enemies’, which is very true, and why the US is is worried that a strong strain of domestic anti Western opinion enraged by the US infidel army in their holy land, reverses by proxies of Iran and the incompetence of the Saudi Crown Prince, could result in the overthrow of the Saud family and Saudi Arabia (doubtless renamed) becoming hostile to the USA. Even putting on one side the oil, (and if there is CO2 fracking technology in the near future then Saudi Arabia could be more important than ever) having the Islamic holy land regime inciting a billion Muslims against them would be a disaster for America.

    Yes, the neocons hated Saddam and well before 9/11 Wolfowitz was told to shut up about Iraq because he was getting on the President’s nerves, and the invasion of Iraq would quite possibly not have happened without the neocon influence. That said, a fase flag predicated on the proposition that framing Bin Laden for 9/11 would enable Jewish advisors to convince Bush to attack Iraq seems far fetched. If Saddam had to be taken down, then Saddam would have been framed for 9/11 instead of bin Laden I think.

    the bush assassination attempt – Department of Justice
    https://oig.justice.gov › special › 05bush2
    In April 1993, former President George Bush visited Kuwait to commemorate the … The Kuwaiti authorities arrested 17 persons suspected in the plot to kill Bush

    One cannot avoid mentioning that in taking his decision on invading Iraq, President Bush may have been influenced by believing that Saddam tried to have ex President George HW Bush Sr, (his dad) assassinated.

    Having not taken the option when he was in power, George H. W. Bush tried to stop his son invading Iraq. Old Herbert was of course not influenced by Jews, so that perhaps there is good evidence for Jews heavily influencing Presidents who listen to them. One is tempted to say Old Herbert was, right given the information available to him at the time, to not invade Iraq and leave a chastened Saddam in power there. However he and Scowcroft explained their reasons and a couple of things jump out at me.

    https://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/169-history/36409.html

    As the conflict wound down, we felt a sense of urgency on the part of the coalition Arabs to get it over with and return to normal. This meant quickly withdrawing U.S. forces to an absolute minimum. Earlier there had been some concern in Arab ranks that once they allowed U.S. forces into the Middle East, we would be there to stay. Saddam’s propaganda machine fanned these worries. Our prompt withdrawal helped cement our position with our Arab allies, who now trusted us far more than they ever had. We had come to their assistance in their time of need, asked nothing for ourselves, and left again when the job was done. Despite some criticism of our conduct of the war, the Israelis too had their faith in us solidified. We had shown our ability–and willingness–to intervene in the Middle East in a decisive way when our interests were challenged. We had also crippled the military capability of one of their most bitter enemies in the region. Our new credibility (coupled with Yasser Arafat’s need to redeem his image after backing the wrong side in the war) had a quick and substantial payoff in the form of a Middle East peace conference in Madrid.

    On loan guarantees and the settlements issue Bush sent the Lobby packing with a flick of his eyebrow and brought Israel to Madrid only having to give Israel revocation of UN Resolution 3379 (Zionism is racism). All great stuff. It started the process that led to the Camp David 2000 Summit and Barak making an offer for a final settlement that was if very hard to accept for the Palestinian side, still a serious offer that they might have taken and successfully built on.

    The bolded text in Bush /Scowcroft shows that they saw the problem of a US army in Arab lands, but the US army in Saudi Arabia they did not seem to worry about even though it would have to be there as long as Saddam ran Iraq, and the 1979 Grand Mosque seizure showed there was a strong dislike of the Saud regime’s westernisation.

  48. @Hotzenplotz

    ” Watching you displaying your intellectual restrictions”

    Yeah we know : “Am deutschen Wesen soll die Welt genesen”.

    Germany : A Big-brother, authority worshiping nut-house in which they actually think that their “Meldepflicht” , the tyrannical law requiring that each resident report their address to the local “Meldeamt” upon changing residence, is a positive aspect. This tells you how much the German Dichter und Denker actually understand upon the concept of personal freedom.

    The amazing phenomena is that they still consider themselves to be said “Dichter und Denker”, poets and thinkers , after all of their terrible blunders of the last hundred years.

    Regarding the totally erroneous Dichter und Denker concept : Back in the seventeen-hundreds aside from the royalty and their few mentored poets and composers : Voltaire, Bach, Mozart, etc, aside from these privileged Höflinge, the great masses of Germans were nothing more than illiterate laborers, farmers, mineworkers, smithies, etc, and they had no connection whatsoever to the royal courts and the artistic, intellectual atmosphere present in such.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US army vet, and pro jazz performer.

    • Replies: @Sean
  49. A123 says:
    @nokangaroos

    Fact is that most of us would feel a lot more comfortable with a bunch of wild-eyed Ayatollahs ogling their shiny new “Mahdi* II” nuke …

    Thank you for admitting that the Ayatollah has abrogated his fatwah and is not only pursuing a nuclear weapons, but has already named the JCPOA violating program. Trump wasn’t the first one to exit the agreement. He is simply honest enough to do so openly.

    Of course, Israel will nuke Iran weapons sites before they can deploy a weapon. So, Oathbreaker Khameni’s quest for WMD’s will backfire.

    * lit. “the well-guided”

    More likely as Herbert translated Mahdi & Lisan al’gaib…., “The Voice of the Outer Worlds”. As sociopath Khameni is detached from reality, it does seem likely that he would follow delusion advice provided by UFO’s and extraterrestrial aliens.

    PEACE 😇

  50. @Sean

    ‘The Saudi ambassador at the time…’

    Yes, the Saudi ambassador — but let’s talk about the possibility that you’re actually a paid Hasbarist.

    Everything fits. You consistently redirect, you offer arguments that are always implicitly but rarely explicitly pro-Israel, unlike say, Lot, you don’t take much interest in topics that are simply unrelated to Israel, and you avoid fatal talking points — which is an error Aaron, Fran, and the barking dogs make continuously.

    I can’t guarantee it, but to my mind, you could be a pro. What do you think?

    • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
  51. Sean says:
    @Authenticjazzman

    Back in the seventeen-hundreds aside from the royalty and their few mentored poets and composers : Voltaire, Bach, Mozart, etc, aside from these privileged Höflinge, the great masses of Germans were nothing more than illiterate laborers, farmers, mineworkers, smithies, etc, and they had no connection whatsoever to the royal courts and the artistic, intellectual atmosphere present in such.

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/the-paradox-of-visual-word-form-area/
    The VWFA did not evolve out of nothing. It seems to be a population of neurons that originally served to recognize faces (Dehaene and Cohen, 2011). This sort of recycling is a common pathway for natural selection and explains much of the apparent rapidity of evolution. A complex mental adaptation may take a long time to evolve, but much less time is needed to develop an exaggerated version of it or to alter when and how it becomes activated (Harpending and Cochran, 2002).

    Indeed, parallel to the way alphabetical reading ability has spread historically and geographically, there is a similar spread of the latest variant of ASPM, a gene implicated in the regulation of brain growth. In humans, a new variant arose about 6,000 years ago in the Middle East. It eventually became more prevalent in the Middle East (37-52% incidence) and Europe (38-50%) than in East Asia (0-25%) (Frost, 2011; Mekel-Bobrov et al., 2005).

    9.
    Germany was the first country where substantial regions had universal literacy. Processing of higher-level concepts in Germany has been in advance of other countries, German philosophy is an obvious example. Germany was the first country to have universal literacy in a substantial region of the country and 2.5% of people in Germany have face blindness.

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2018/08/14/gaussian-anomaly/#comment-112086
    Guass’s father was a gardner when he started work, but went on to being a merchant’s assistant, “master of waterworks,” [ for the city] and the treasurer of a small insurance fund. Well above average and a hell of a rise from a standing start back then. He was also a domineering a-hole and not the sort to be oblivious to, or put up with, being cuckolded. Mother was kind and intelligent, daughter of a skilled stonemason who died young.

  52. A123 says:
    @Sean

    Don’t let Colin “The fact free troll” Wright dissuade you. The fact that he is now a ranting about hasbaratic myth shows that you are winning. Congratulations!

    MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL 🎄

    • Replies: @druid55
  53. druid55 says:
    @A123

    This is hasbara-love!

    • Replies: @Sean
  54. Sean says:
    @druid55

    [M]any observers believe that Saudi Arabia is basically unstable. Its prevailing fundamentalist Islamic sect referred to as Wahhabism is backward looking and hostile to the United States and the West

    The Grand Mosque seizure of 1979 made the Saud family lean toward strict orthodoxy. They certainly would not have been encouraged to liberalise from seeing what the happened to the Shah of Iran.

    Iran is like Germany: just too big and powerful for neighbors to not be extremely nervous of them. Saddam’s remaking of Iraq was preparing for war with Iran because of arms the America was throwing at the Shah’s Iran, thereby destabilizing the whole region. Iran now claims to be on the side of the Palestinians, but what has it done for them really?

    The threat of Iran is why the Saud family have suddenly decided they need a strong leader to unite the country and not be afraid to use military force. Mohammad Bin Salman Al Saud, Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, is the new Saddam Hussein and just like Saddam’s Iraq he is getting tens of billions in American armaments. Iran may seem to be getting stronger relative to Saudi Arabia. Don’t you believe it.

  55. @Colin Wright

    I am looking at Sean too. Yes, he seems like a slimy little hasbarist.

  56. @Sean

    What a slimy, dishonest little Jew you are. I mean, even you can’t possibly believe this nonsense you wrote:

    “American strategists regard Saudi Arabia as a the richest prize in the world and a client state so they had to invade Iraq and neutralize it as a threat in order to be able to withdraw their army”

    The country this war was fought for was Israel, not Saudi. The Saudi leadership was totally opposed to its launch. The irony is that having opposed a war launched for Israel, the empowerment of Iran, a major reason the Saudis opposed the illegal invasion, Saudi Arabia was then, in its fear of Iran, herded into a strategic alignment with guess who? Well, the country whose lobby pushed the war, of course–dear little Israel!

    “The Saudi ambassador at the time (unlikely to be Jewish or bribe-able) was red hot for an invasion to overthrow Saddam.”

    Ambassadors don’t decide whether to support invasions or not. The ambassador in question was Prince Bandar, a semi-Americanized, neocon-coopted stooge who as early as 2007 was pushing a Saudi-Israel relationship. His notion was the neocon plan–take down Saddam as a prelude to regime-changing Iran and Syria.

    Here’s the NYT account of what Crown Prince and Prince Regent (and subsequently King) Abdullah of Saudi Arabia told Cheney in 2002:

    Even before Air Force Two touched down in Saudi Arabia today, Vice President Dick Cheney received an unusual public warning from the Saudi leadership that the Bush administration should put aside any plans for a military campaign against Iraq.

    ”I do not believe it is in the United States’ interests, or the interest of the region, or the world’s interest, to do so,” Crown Prince Abdullah told ABC News. ”And I don’t believe it will achieve the desired result.”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2002/03/17/world/saudis-warn-against-attack-on-iraq-by-the-united-states.html

    Unmentioned here is the concern that a post-Saddam state would be a Shia-dominated state. But his prediction that it would not achieve the desired result was certainly on target. The Saudis were anti-Iran of course, but the intensity was not so great at that point, and in any case, they had no confidence–unlike the neocons and most of the Israeli leadership–that things would go smoothly from eliminating Saddam to overthrowing the Islamic Republic.

    After Iraq quickly turned into the disaster that the top Saudis had feared, Bandar resigned as ambassador to the US “for personal reasons” in 2005 and spent years in the political wilderness after 2009. His stock began to fall as soon as the fiasco was clear to all, and he was gone when Abdullah became king in 2005. There was a lot of neocon nonsense in the US media about Saudi opposition to the invasion being expressed only to appease the so-called “Arab street,” but this was just neocon/Likudnik Jew propagandizing.

    So here you are, sweet Jew, trying to convince us that a few words from Bandar had any real significance in Saudi decision-making on the Iraq invasion. Get it through your pointy little Jew head: The Saudis were opposed to the invasion of Iraq. Israel, for whom in large part the invasion was being launched, was of course on board, with Sharon, Bibi, and AIPAC all pushing it.

    Jew mendacity never ceases to amaze me in its relentlessness.

  57. Sean says:

    Even before Air Force Two touched down in Saudi Arabia today, Vice President Dick Cheney received an unusual public warning from the Saudi leadership that the Bush administration should put aside any plans for a military campaign against Iraq.

    They did not recall Bandar and it was the middle of 2005 when Bandar submitted his resignation as ambassador to the United States.

    https://www.foxnews.com/story/new-details-on-saudi-help-in-iraq-war
    WASHINGTON – During the Iraq war, Saudi Arabia (search) secretly helped the United States far more than has been acknowledged, allowing operations from at least three air bases, permitting special forces to stage attacks from Saudi soil and providing cheap fuel, U.S. and Saudi officials say.

    The American air campaign against Iraq was essentially managed from inside Saudi borders, where military commanders operated an air command center and launched refueling tankers, F-16 fighter jets, and sophisticated intelligence gathering flights, according to the officials.

    Much of the assistance has been kept quiet for more than a year by both countries for fear it would add to instability inside the kingdom. Many Saudis oppose the war and U.S. presence on Saudi soil has been used by Usama bin Laden to build his terror movement.

    The Saudi king King protesting about Iranian sponsorship of Hamas, was told by Iranian foreign minister Mottaki “these are Muslims”. “No, Arabs”, countered the King. “You as Persians have no business meddling in Arab matters”. Iran will go the way of Iraq.

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