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Poisoning enemies has a long history with Augustus Caesar’s wife Livia allegedly a master of the art, as were the Borgias in Renaissance Italy. Lately there has been a resurgence in allegations regarding the use of poisons of various types by several governments. The claims are particularly damaging both morally and legally as international conventions regard the use of poisonous chemical compounds as particularly heinous, condemning their use because they, when employed in quantity, become “weapons of mass destruction,” killing indiscriminately and horribly, making no distinction between combatants and civilians. Their use is considered to be a “war crime” and the government officials who ordered their deployment are “war criminals,” subject to prosecution by the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

There are two important poisoning stories that have made the news recently. Both are follow-ups to reporting that has appeared in the news over the past few months and both are particularly interesting because they tend to repudiate earlier coverage that had been largely accepted by several governments as well as the media and the chattering class of paid experts that appears on television.

The first story relates to the poisoning of former Russian intelligence agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia in March. There was quite a bit that was odd about the Skripal case, which relied from the start “…on circumstantial evidence and secret intelligence.” And there was inevitably a rush to judgment. British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson blamed Russia less than forty-eight hours after the Skripals were found unconscious on a bench in Salisbury England, too soon for any chemical analysis of the alleged poisoning to have taken place.

British Prime Minister Theresa May threw gasoline on the fire when she addressed Parliament shortly thereafter to blame the Kremlin and demand a Russian official response to the event in 36 hours, declaring that the apparent poisoning was “very likely” caused by a made-in-Russia nerve agent referred to by its generic name novichok. The British media was soon on board with a vengeance, spreading the government line that such a highly sensitive operation would require the approval of President Vladimir Putin himself. The expulsion of Russian diplomats soon followed with the United States and other countries following suit.

Repeated requests by Russia to obtain a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing were rejected by the British government in spite of the fact that a military grade nerve agent would have surely killed both the Skripals as well as anyone else within 100 yards. As the latest British account of the location of the alleged poison places it on the door handle of the Scripals’ residence, the timetable element was also unconvincing. That meant that the two would have spent three hours, including a stop at a pub and lunch, before succumbing on a park bench. Military grade nerve agents kill instantly.

The head of Britain’s own chemical weapons facility Porton Down even contradicted claims made by May, Foreign Minister Boris Johnson, and British Ambassador in Moscow Laurie Bristow. The lab’s Chief Executive Gary Aitkenhead testified that he did not know if the nerve agent was actually produced in Russia, a not surprising observation as the chemical formula was revealed to the public in a scientific paper in 1992 and there are an estimated twenty countries capable of producing it. There are also presumed stocks of novichok remaining in independent countries that once were part of the Soviet Union, to include Russia’s enemy du jour Ukraine, while a false flag operation by the British themselves, the CIA or Mossad, is not unthinkable.

Nevertheless, the politically weak May government, desperately seeking a formidable foreign enemy to rally around against, insisted that Russia, almost certainly acting under orders from Vladimir Putin himself, carried out the killing of a former British double agent who had been released from a Kremlin prison in a spy swap and who was no longer capable of doing any damage to Russia. Putin apparently did all that in spite of the fact that he had an election coming up and would be the host of the World Cup in the summer, an event that would be an absolute top priority to have go smoothly.

Now there has been an actual death in Amesbury near Salisbury that has been attributed to novichok. On June 30th, Charlie Rowley and Dawn Sturgess were admitted to hospital after being found unconscious. Sturgess died eight days later. The May government has not yet blamed it on Putin or even on a clumsy Russian operative that might have inadvertently left behind a vial of poison or a used syringe, though Home Secretary Sajid Javid came close to that when he suggested that Russia was using Britain as a “dumping ground for poisons.” Police suggestions that the poisoned couple appear to have handled novichok infused material of some kind before succumbing appears to be contradicted by inability to find the actual source of the alleged exposure.

British government dancing around the issue notwithstanding, there have been suggestions that the closest source of more novichok might well be the U.K. government labs at nearby Porton Down, only seven miles from Salisbury and Amesbury, which increases suspicion about the original story promulgated by Downing Street. Would the British government actually poison an expendable ex-Russian spy and his daughter to divert attention from a domestic political problem at home? It’s worth considering as the “blame it all on Putin narrative” becomes even less credible.

The second story comes from Syria, where there is also a Russian hand as Moscow is aiding the government of Bashar al-Assad. The by now notorious April 7, 2018 alleged chemical attack on the rebel-held Syrian city of Douma was widely blamed by Western countries and the mainstream media on Assad’s forces. This resulted in a decision by U.S. President Donald Trump to order massive U.S.-led retaliatory airstrikes against targets reportedly involved in chemical production in and around Damascus.

Trump blamed “animal Assad” for “using nerve agents” and both the media and most European governments followed that line, concluding that Damascus had ordered the chemical attacks a mere moments after videos purporting to show scores of chemical attack victims first surfaced from rebel sources, long before U.S. intelligence could have made its own assessment. A 5-page White House assessment released on April 13th, just days after the alleged attack asserted that sarin was used at Douma, claiming that “A significant body of information points to the regime using chlorine in its bombardment of Duma, while some additional information points to the regime also using the nerve agent sarin.”

Independent sources warned at the time that not a single neutral observer was on the ground to confirm that chemical agents launched by the Syrian government had, in fact, been used, but were ignored. All of the sources reporting the attack were either affiliated with the rebels who occupied the area or were not physically present in Douma.

Now, finally, three months later, there has been a credible independent report on what was determined about the attack through chemical analysis of traces recovered in Douma. A preliminary report published last Friday by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) found no traces of any nerve agent like sarin at the site. The OPCW report states this clearly: “No organophosphorous nerve agents or their degradation products were detected in the environmental samples or in the plasma samples taken from alleged casualties.”

This means that the Trump Administration claimed to have details relating to an event in a foreign country that it did not know and could not actually confirm to be true. And it used that as a justification for ordering an airstrike that killed people and destroyed targets in Syria. Will the White House respond to the OPCW report and apologize, possibly to include reparations for an unjustified attack on another sovereign nation? Don’t hold your breath.

The Salisbury and Douma attacks are illustrative of just what happens when a government is prepared to dissimulate or even lie to go the extra mile to make a case to justify preemptive action that otherwise might be challenged. Theresa May is, unfortunately, still in power and so is Donald Trump. In a better world an outraged public would demand that they be thrown out of office and even possibly subjected to the tender ministrations of the International Criminal Court in The Hague. With power comes accountability, or at least that should be the rule, but it is a dictum that has for some time been ignored. Even given that, one might hope that the blunders will not be repeated, but there is not even any assurance that either May or Trump is much given to “lessons learned” or that a Mike Pence or Boris Johnson would be any better. That is our tragedy.

Philip M. Giraldi, Ph.D., is Executive Director of the Council for the National Interest, a 501(c)3 tax deductible educational foundation that seeks a more interests-based U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East. Website is, address is P.O. Box 2157, Purcellville VA 20134 and its email is [email protected]

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  1. What a pity Western “Intelligence” seems to have never heard the story of The Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf’.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @edNels
    , @FKA Max
  2. FKA Max says: • Website

    Putin apparently did all that in spite of the fact that he had an election coming up and would be the host of the World Cup in the summer, an event that would be an absolute top priority to have go smoothly.
    Would the British government actually poison an expendable ex-Russian spy and his daughter to divert attention from a domestic political problem at home? It’s worth considering as the “blame it all on Putin narrative” becomes even less credible.

    Mr. Giraldi,

    these were my thoughts at first too, but I looked into the case quite extensively over the last several weeks and came to the conclusion that Putin actually had more of a motive than the British government, et al.

    This is my evolution on the Skripals’ case:

    On Skripal I’m not entirely certain, since I haven’t really looked into the case. Also the timing of the incident seems to be not what Putin would have chosen, in my opinion, since it was too close to the soccer World Cup events/celebrations in Russia, and Putin usually tries to be conciliatory with the West before big sporting events like that in Russia, e.g. when he released Khodorkovsky early before the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, for example.

    As I said before, I was agnostic about the Skripal case and tried to keep an open mind about it and not reflexively blame it on (the) Russians (government), but you providing me with this additional information makes me actually more of a believer in the official Western narrative now.

    I’m reaching here, and this is pure speculation on my part, but could it be that the Skripals were poisoned (March 4, 2018) by Putin, et al. to distract from the 200+ Russian mercenaries allegedly killed by U.S. airstrikes in Syria (February 7, 2018) before the Russian election (March 18, 2018)?

    Repeated requests by Russia to obtain a sample of the alleged nerve agent for testing were rejected by the British government in spite of the fact that a military grade nerve agent would have surely killed both the Skripals as well as anyone else within 100 yards.

    They mention that only 3 known cases of Novichok agent poisoning had been treated before the cases of the Skripals, so there was very little guidance and experience to go on in how to treat Yulia and her father.

    Skripals doctor: ‘We expected them not to survive’ – BBC News

    • Replies: @tac
    , @ploni almoni
    , @FKA Max
  3. Anon[298] • Disclaimer says:

    audits that will reveal who was on the mullahs payroll.

    That would be Anon[184], right?

  4. Biff says:

    Will the Skripal’s ever be able to talk? Where are they? Still in “protective” custody?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Carroll Price
  5. A highly reasoned article, well written and convincing in its conclusions. A pity that some of the comments aren’t worthy of being in its proximity.

    • Agree: VojkanM, chris
    • Replies: @exudd1
  6. tac says:
    @FKA Max

    You should watch a recent interview with Walter Litvinenko (father of the deceased Alexander Litvinenko) to hear his startling admissions:

    • Replies: @FKA Max
    , @ThreeCranes
  7. It was hilarious to watch yesterday evening, as the presidential plane had been underway for two and a half hours, the consternation on CNN.
    As I expected, the vague accusations about Russian meddling in the elections continued this morning, on CNN.
    I remember an interview on CNN before the elections, someoen said ‘if Trump wins’, the two of CNN burst into laughter.
    I do hope Trump survives, politically and fysically.
    Luckily is it not very ease to murder a president these days.
    On top of that, Sept 11 made many all over the world quite suspicious.
    I for one never believed that Russia would be so stupid as to try to murder two former spies in such a stupid way, and without any motive.
    MH17 is a similar case.
    Assad also is not stupid, he had no interest whatsoever to use poison gas in Syria.
    How Arafat died we still do not know, that was done professionally, or maybe not, if I had to kill him I would try to make his death look natural, a clear cause.
    Who had a motive is quite clear.

    • Replies: @chris
  8. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Until the unhinged May lets Yulia go free–if she’s still alive–and go back to Russia and tell her side of the story, nothing will change.

    The so-called Deep State and its willing toady, the corrupt, lying MSM are accomplices in this False Flag and they are the ones that should be in the dock at the ICC. But since the ICC is part of the Deep State, don’t expect this to happen.

    This Russian bashing has gotten completely out of hand. And now that Putin has stated that the sleazy Russian thief oligarch Browder helped launder 400 million to the DNC-Clinton Mob, it’s going to get very interesting, if not dangerous for humanity.

    They need a BIG distraction to get the sheeple’s thought off the truth that there is NOTHING to the Putin-Trump election meddling, anything might happen, even a repeat of the Israeli masterminded 9/11 False Flag.

    Does ‘Lucky Larry’ own anymore asbestos-laden skyscrapers?

  9. i would love to make a formal complaint about conspiracies because there are people who will and do make trouble for others. it has taken me a long time to come to that place – but it is no joke as dr. geraldi no doubt knows.

    however, one needs the evidence and what has been lacking in all these accusations whether its russia and us elections, chemical weapons in syria, or supposed poisoning of three people formerly associated with russia, there is suspicion, and there is narrative, but little in the way of facts. and if any of these accusations were concerning single individual battling mere gossip and innuendo or other nefarious behaviors, i have learned to discount nothing. look if you can’t bring a coupon into a store, wait for coffee without people launching into fits of fear of life . . . then who knows what triggers people’s self defense. it apparently dos not take much for the supposed superior people to make their inferiors look off kilt. i just take it granted that when i leave my house, on occasion, i have visitors – as “nutty” as that sounds.

    but these cases have multiple researchers and resources to bar on the matter and yet, the evidence is either mere narrative, contradicted or has a variety of explanations just as reasonable or more reasonable. but what we have is an entire population engaged in manufacturing not one but several cases in which the president of the us actually engaged in treason based on sketchy financial dealings with russian banks and financial elites.

    and i think this article makes the case that people with power who engage in wielding accusations should be held to the standard of providing evidence. and while i am a little uncomfortable with our president engaging in open debate with our intel community from overseas, his objection is well put. the process of evidence collection and by independent objective observers is unreasonable. yet he found it quite convenient to buy the argument by the same intel agencies for said use in syria. the election is over, but the war about the election, the level of dislike of the elected , i think it is fair to say has never been so widespread and deep such that members of the government or government agencies would sign up to press the matter.

    and quip reflctions about the damage being done and “it’s all in one’s head” just are insufficient to address the issues.

    frankly, i think the country’s not outraged because they are “drama fatigued” last week in attempting to capture a stray kitten who disappearance has me overly stretched – i never used to like cats – bells rang and doors closed indicating that she had in fact been enclosed on the patio – around two am or so – only to discover a cute little skunk was the detainee. whose release required navigating around the house twice because the door locked actually worked. sometimes the evidence doesn’t doesn’t reveal what was expected.

    as for the kitten, evidence suggests she managed to punch her way through a steel mesh garage vent. now i suspect that someone recently punched a hole in those mesh barriers, but that is speculation on my part, even likely speculation. however, minus the proof that is all it is. a mysterious frustrating event.

    who knows maybe the cat and the skunk are pals.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  10. With the sad demise of the woman of the couple, the continuing make-up story in MSM makes the twist that the nerve agent was found in a perfume bottle. While of these two non-Russian people (who allegedly were former drug-addicts) one may suspect that they pick up any strange bottle from the ground and have a sniff at it, this is completely surrealistic in the case of the Skripals. The difference couldn’t be bigger between these two couples. Anyhow, the clue that brings them four together is the vicinity of Porton Down, where chemical weapons are stored & tested.

    • Replies: @prusmc
  11. dearieme says:

    If I had to guess at what’s been going on in Salisbury I’d wonder if a lunatic/evil employee at Porton Down has smuggled out something nasty and is amusing himself with it.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Horzabky
  12. Moi says:

    Mr. Giraldi, you’re telling me the American and Brit governments lie. Who’d have thunk…

    ps: do we still have people locked up in Gitmo without being charged of a crime? Just wondering…

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  13. prusmc says: • Website
    @All we like sheep

    The author laments that May and Trump are still in office.
    She will last longer than he will. Trump will be out in three months either by impeachment and conviction or by other means. None of this clandestine stuff like poisoning but by a military coup. I remember the era of 7 Days in May but that was not serious just a storey teller weaving a good yarn. Today, we have members of Congress and large numbers of the media(probably over 50 percent) calling for a Armed Forces take over.
    The probable stumbling block is how to skip Pense and go directly to Speaker Paul Ryan. Or how to dispense with the chain of succession entirely and enshrine Hilary or recall Obama until the emergency is over.
    Is Mad Dog the man or will McMaster lead the coup? Remember, anyone wearing more than one star made the elite grade during the Obama regime and some of the one stars had formative years as O-6 and O-5 while Obama ruled supreme.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @unseated
    , @Wally
  14. “Military grade nerve agents kill instantly.”

    Quickly, not instantly. If you had an atropine pen handy, you might survive, though it would leave you immobilised and dazed. If the Skripals were dosed, it would likely have been at or near the bench where they were found. Residue on their clothing might be weak enough to not kill the constable.

    • Replies: @Tyrion 2
  15. Clearly, Putin’s American supporters see the summit as a flop from their champion’s point of view.

  16. Tyrion 2 says: • Website
    @The Alarmist

    The only thing the Salisbury incidents provide evidence for is that our culture is prone to hysterical outrage over anything relating to Russia or Putin.

    And that’s true even if it were rogue elements in the Russian security services.

    • Replies: @Sean
  17. @FKA Max

    Similarly, I was initially skeptical about the Moon landings but with time I have to the conclusion that they are plausible.

    • LOL: Ace
  18. rbc says:

    What I really loved about the coverage of the Skripal “poisoning” were the pictures of the cops wearing hazmat suits to clean up the park bench. In the same shot birds were hopping around apparently unaffected by the deadly nerve gas. So we’re to believe that this stuff could kill a big cop but not a 2 pound pigeon….

    • Replies: @Jake
  19. Jake says:

    British secret service and its 3 main children – CIA, Mossad, Saudi General Intelligence Agency – are morally capable of committing any horror imaginable against civilians, even their own.

    The Anglo-Zionist Empire is desperate to find the One Ring That Rules Them All.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @B_ravehart
  20. Jake says:

    That’s no more absurd than thousands of things promoted as truth by the WASP empires over the past 400 years.

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  21. @Jake

    Yes, like that the Protestant Revolt which still gets called a “Reformation” was anything other than a looting operation.

    • Replies: @byrresheim
  22. @Biff

    That’s so naïve. When you commit a crime and have witnesses in your custody, you make sure they never talk. “Elementary, Watson”, as Holmes used to say.

  23. Shaping a story to fit the agenda

    That’s why we have “journalists” and “historians,” mass media and skoolink (yooniversities included), and I find it amazing that the stories change as fast as the agendas.

    • Replies: @anti_republocrat
  24. edNels says:

    Oh ”These Kids today”… that old refrain again, and it’s getting old too, all the emphasis on kids anyway, from concerns about posterity, to the unending posturing about faux parent related concerns sublimated in one way or another to the other mantra: ” oh the Children” thing that phony liberal types do.

    But to the point:

    What a pity Western “Intelligence” seems to have never heard the story of The Boy Who Cried ‘Wolf’.

    When do these little monsters ever get a chance to hear childhood stories nowadays… glued to their carry style devices, wearable devices, soon inserted devices, to hear any of the old wisdom? It now isn’t all that likely. It is more the kids teaching the kids in a modern high tech reality version of Lord of the Flies scenario.

    When they are inevitably inducted into the professions as they will, replacing remnants of earlier generations that maybe still had been somewhat exposed to folk tales and stories, or better TV of earlier times, well, don’t be surprised that the rank and file of the intelligence industry, like elsewhere is unable personally to easily navigate anything, much less possessing inborn sensibility gained from age old culture and all that. Could it be in the whole Fake News genre too, it seems to indicate some dialectic flaw in thinking, (a priori as it were.) I feel like it’s coming from youngsters lacking any frame of reference/experience blundering, not being held to account!
    The Brat Pack was given free reign and away they go arrogant to a fault

    What was folk knowledge is a cumbersome, anachronistic, vestigial relic of another era, sought to be replaced soon, by robots.

    Who needs the f’n brats?

  25. The political filth really have no shame, do they?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  26. chris says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I think we know that Arafat was poisoned.

  27. exudd1 says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Well said. Agree completely. Thanks.

  28. Z-man says:

    None of this clandestine stuff like poisoning but by a military coup. I remember the era of 7 Days in May but that was not serious just a storey teller weaving a good yarn. Today, we have members of Congress and large numbers of the media(probably over 50 percent) calling for a Armed Forces take over.

    Watching too many old movies now , haven’t we? LOL!!

    The probable stumbling block is how to skip Pense and go directly to Speaker Paul Ryan. Or how to dispense with the chain of succession entirely and enshrine Hilary or recall Obama until the emergency is over.

    Ok, now you need to be put down or at least committed. LOL

  29. FKA Max says: • Website

    I’m glad Litvinenko Sr. is taken care of in his old age by the Russian state:

    BAD CHEMISTRY? Ft. Walter Litvinenko, Father of Alexander Litvinenko

    Although he chose to leave Russian of his own will, the authorities were unlikely to welcome him back and his dramatic u-turn looks like a calculated attempt to smooth the way for his return to the country of his birth.

    Clearly relishing Mr Litvinenko senior’s propaganda gift in the run-up to a presidential election expected to be won by Vladimir Putin next month, Russian state TV said the unhappy exile had run out of money and that electricity and gas had been cut off to his tiny Italian flat for non-payment of bills.
    Alexander Goldfarb, the co-author of a book about the murder and a friend of the late Litvinenko, accused Russian TV of acting in an irresponsible and inhumane manner, saying the Kremlin’s propaganda chiefs had exploited his grief and troubled psychological condition.

    “They used the troubled psychological state of an elderly man for propaganda purposes in order to whitewash Alexander’s killers,” he said.

    “Walter is going through a really tough time in connection with his wife’s death a few months ago and feels lonely. It happens with old people.”

    Salisbury poisoning: Skripals ‘were under Russian surveillance’ –

    Skripals ‘were under Russian surveillance’ – BBC Newsnight

    Newsnight’s Diplomatic and Defence Editor, Mark Urban, reveals that the Skripals ‘were under Russian surveillance’ and that he personally had several meetings with Sergei Skripal last year.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @bjondo
  30. @Bill jones

    Did they ever have shame? The world would be much better place if they did.

  31. @FKA Max

    “Newsnight’s Diplomatic and Defence Editor, Mark Urban, reveals”

    Newsnight’s Diplomatic and Defence Editor, Mark Urban, claims

    there, fixed that for you.

  32. Sean says:

    Did you hear the one about the couple who found a bottle of perfume?

    As Mad Frank said, two men together always looks suspicious.

    I am very embarrassed for the GRU , they are even more incompetent than the French Secret Service combat swimmers who blew up the that Greenpeace ship. Russia should have sent a Spetsnaz veteran with his trusty entrenching tool to deal with Skripal. Or maybe one of their Kamikazi exploding dogs.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  33. @tac

    Maybe Putin did have them killed or poisoned because Russian intelligence had uncovered their plot to explode a dirty bomb in London which had been set up so as to implicate the Russians. The plotters were foiled and hoist by their own petard.

    • Replies: @Sean
  34. @Sean

    I tell you a secret. GRU agents, on direct orders from Putin, killed JFK, burnt Giordano Bruno, crucified Christ, and poisoned Socrates. What’s more, they are also responsible for the extinction of the dinosaurs. Didn’t you suspect that?

    • Replies: @Sean
  35. Sean says:
    @Tyrion 2

    Rogue elements once, but not twice. Why is anyone’s guess, the eliciting of hysterical outrage ?

  36. Sean says:

    Russia seems to be burning its bridges with the West, which may be a deliberate long term strategy by Putin.

    • Replies: @Ace
  37. Sean says:

    I did not even know those you named had ever been in the GRU, let alone they were British moles.

    If you wake up and there is snow all over the ground, that is circumstantial evidence that it snowed in the night. When a Russian poisons Russians there is not all this Technical Tom sophistry, and motive is important especially when it supports the circumstantial evidence.

    Prison is full of people who say they are innocent.

  38. unseated says:

    Trump will be out in three months either by impeachment and conviction or by other means.

    I have a friend who said that to me a year ago and another who said it six months ago.

  39. ‘…Theresa May is, unfortunately, still in power and so is Donald Trump. In a better world an outraged public would demand that they be thrown out of office…’

    At least in the case of Trump, the problem with rejecting him is, as it always has been, the alternative.

    It’s literally oppressive that to date, no superior alternative to Trump has emerged. However, like it or not, one hasn’t.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Wally
    , @Ace
  40. bjondo says:
    @FKA Max

    Alexander Goldfarb the promoter of Pussy Riot?

    He’s certainly legit.

  41. @Colin Wright

    Is there a superior alternative to May? If there is, why didn’t Brits get rid of that embarrassment? Next to her even John Major looks like an outstanding statesman.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  42. Wally says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’s literally oppressive that to date, no superior alternative to Trump has emerged. However, like it or not, one hasn’t.”

    You mean that little rich ‘Marxist’ Latina is not a viable alternative?

    ‘Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, the ‘girl from the Bronx,’ raised in one of wealthiest US counties’

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez says: ‘Occupy All ICE Offices, Borders, U.S. Airports’, ‘Occupy All of It’

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  43. Every time I think about it, I do find it truly astonishing that we (the USA) launched a missile salvo into Syria based on an obvious and now proven false flag, and very few people seem to care. This is one of those glaring, “hidden in plain sight” contradictions to the narrative which tells me that, while the Deep State is finally losing some ground, its liquidation is far, far from over and all kinds of things are going to fall apart as this thrashing monster slowly sinks beneath the waves.

  44. Wally says:

    “Trump will be out in three months either by impeachment and conviction or by other means. ”

    Yawn. Heard that on election night

    ‘The Left needs to face reality: Trump is winning’:

  45. @dearieme

    Yes, interesting that PG has only now brought to a UR article that rather obvious possible connection between Porton Down and the nearby poisonings.

    I don’t think it is one of his major areas of attention. Why else would he include with Trump the unfortunate May as someone he would like to see people rise up against and throw out of office for offences unstated?

  46. @AnonFromTN

    Her performance on Skripal right or wrong is hardly worth mentioning when deciding whether and when she has to go. Compared to Brexit give it a 2 per cent weighting.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  47. @Wally

    My guess is that we haven’t heard the last of Ms. Hyphen-Cortez.

    ”Ocasio-Cortez hedges criticisms of Israel– ‘I may not use the right words’
    US Politics Philip Weiss on July 15, 2018

    Rising Democratic star Alexandria Ocasio-Cortex, soon to go to Congress from NY, all but apologized for using words “massacre” and “occupation” about Israel, saying she spoke as an “activist,” and she is no expert on the Middle East and is willing to “learn and evolve.” ‘

    She’s trainable.

  48. @Wizard of Oz

    Her performance has included telling bald-faced lies, lies that are easily exposed as lies too. This is rarely if ever going to add weight to any personal brand, let alone that of a political leader. She’s toast!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  49. L Garou says:

    The sun never sets on the crimes of the British Empire..

    • Replies: @Anon
  50. Well Dr. Giraldi,

    president trump has trumped himself by admitting the intel report makes a valid case. Which on my view – it doesn’t.

    another disappointing choice. Because if he grants out the report, he must also grant that president putin is being untruthful.

    I take it its back to (more) war in syria . . .

  51. @Moi

    UpMoi asked P.G. this question:
    “ps: do we still have people locked up in Gitmo without being charged of a crime? Just wondering…”

    Hi Moi,

    As you know, allegedly Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) remains incarcerated at “Gitmo,” and is charged by a ZUS military tribunal as being the “Mastermind” of the (False Flag) 9/11 terror attacks.

    Civic-minded & conscientious dumb goyim American subjects began to insist KSM be brought to stand civilian ZUS-based trial.

    They wanted to let him speak & allow the Federal prosecution an opportunity to authenticate the evil 9/11’s “nuts & bolts” operational planning.

    Pressure rose all the way to the rose

  52. @Jake

    Ring wraith’s, one and all.

  53. Anon[127] • Disclaimer says:
    @L Garou

    In contrast to which empires? The Aztec, Inca and Mayan perhaps because the crimes of the Iberians were so comprehensive that the former were extinguished?

    • Replies: @Ace
  54. Horzabky says:

    I thought of that, too. Maybe an employee with hatred and resentment against Britain (or, just as likely, against what modern Britain has become). That may explain the poisoning of Sturgess and Rowley (just leave a bottle of novichok in a park, sooner or later someone will find it and open it), but not the poisoning of the Skripals. Unless the culprit knew Sergei Skripal ?

    Did Sergei Skripal have a neighbor who knew his past, and who worked at the Porton Down lab? Or a friend of a talkative friend or neighbor?

    The two poisonings may be unrelated. The second one looks suspiciously like an inside job.

  55. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:

    Possibly all clergy and most politicians and members of the ‘elite’ [means: people on and for sale] still keep on robbing us of the right to know.

    No, such a scheme, esoterism or eristics is not in any law books, as far as i know, but clergy et al want to keep masses from knowing what they know or think they know.

  56. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:

    It is probable that Russia did these poisonings.

    Who else had the motive and ability?

    Russian denials have about as much credibility as Russia’s saying that no Russian troops went into Ukraine.

    Look, countries lie. Some more than others.

    That’s why none of you are moving to Russia.

    • Replies: @Ace
  57. @Horzabky

    I’d agree except for the UK government’s treatment of the incident (the rush to judgement, shifting storyline, deceptive language used throughout etc) makes it more likely that Sergei Skripal had outlived his usefulness, had become a potential threat to them and couldn’t be trusted anyway.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  58. Ace says:

    A terrific time to burn bridges is when the other guy imposes sanctions on you.

  59. Ace says:
    @Colin Wright

    Until 2020 there is no possibility of an alternative to Trump. Superior “alternatives” can emerge all they want until then.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  60. Ace says:

    Cutting the heart out of umpty ump human sacrifices on top of those cool pyramids was perfectly legal and what was the big deal anyway about murdering and enslaving the local Untermenschen. But those Spaniards! No manners AT ALL.

  61. @Ace

    ‘Until 2020 there is no possibility of an alternative to Trump…’

    ? How can you say that? Three Presidents have been removed from office by assassination — and the anti-Trump hysteria is reaching unprecedented levels.

    Don’t rule ot President Pence — Israel’s friend.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  62. Ace says:

    It’s more probable the Skripals owe Boris Johnson money but are refusing to pay. Thus, Boris poisoned them. QED. The Russians probably want to launch a sloppy, howlingly public, Rube Goldberg attack on them because Skripal has unpaid library fines back in Russia. So you’re absolutely right about Russian motives.

  63. @Colin Wright

    Edit: four presidents. I forgot Garfield.

    Just under one in ten. Factor in the unprecedented virulence of the anti-Trump hysteria, and I’d say it’s perfectly possible Trump won’t live to finish out his term.

  64. @NoseytheDuke

    I am not a May supporter at all but can’t think of those “bald faced lies”. For instance?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  65. Scranton calling geokat!

    Hi geo,

    Am wondering if you have any;unique information on the topic (below) regarding a civil rights organization’s putting pressure upon Canada government in order to get Monika Schaefer out of the klink for Holocaust denying.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  66. geokat62 says:

    Am wondering if you have any;unique information on the topic…

    Hey, Chuck. Here’s what I managed to dig up:

    Group urges Canada to help Holocaust denier on trial in Germany

    They’re concerned about Canada’s apparent unwillingness to come to the aid of Monika Schaefer

    The Canadian Press

    A civil liberties group is urging the Canadian government to end the “unjust and immoral” imprisonment of Monika Schaefer, a German-Canadian woman on trial in Germany for publishing videos denying the Holocaust.

    The Ontario Civil Liberties Association says it’s concerned about Canada’s apparent unwillingness to come to the aid of Schaefer, who it describes as a Canadian “political prisoner” who was charged with a German criminal law that does not exist in Canada and is contrary to international law.

    In a letter signed by executive director Joseph Hickey, the association calls on Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould and Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland to act immediately, starting with appointing a consular observer and direct contact for Schaefer.

    Here’s a copy of the OCLA letter for your perusal:

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  67. @Intelligent Dasein

    I do find it truly astonishing that we (the USA) launched a missile salvo into Syria based on an obvious and now proven false flag, and very few people seem to care.

    I don’t think it’s fair to say that “very few people [seem to] care”; a very large number of people ‘care’, but in the opposite direction to the one you’re considering.

    There will have been 20 or 30 million mouth-breathers watching the TV news of those missile strikes, thinking “U!-S!-A!“, “Fuck Yeah!” or “Get Some!” or “We Got This!” or “Let’s Do This!” or some other 3-4 syllable trope specifically designed to engage the lizard brain of retarded fuckwits.

    The Mass Man is basically a sack of meat that is incapable of joined-up thinking – and that goes double for those who are as deeply indoctrinated as the median US adult.

    It’s kinda weird to contrast the reaction of Soviet citizenry to the USSR’s Afghanistan misadventure in the 1980s, with the US citizenry’s reaction to either Viet Nam (60s-70s) or Iraq/Afghanistan (00s-10s).

    The Soviet citizenry was supposedly among the most indoctrinated, surveilled and downtrodden in human history – victims of a despotic superstate. The Yanks were, ostensibly, the freest people who ever walked the Earth.

    And yet is was the Soviet citizenry who properly understood the state of play, as exemplified by the old joke “В Правде нет правды, в Известиях нет известий” – “In Pravda [there’s] no pravda; in Isvestia no isvestia” (pravda: truth; isvestia: news).

    The Soviet citizenry were under no illusions as to the wrongness of the Afghanistan débâcle; the majority (or at least a plurality) of Yanks still think they’re doing the world a favour, and the US Death Machine is the most trusted tax-funded institution among US citizens.

    Every organised religion – including all nationalist-supremacist and exceptionalist religions – understand that indoctrinating the young is an essential mechanism for producing a compliant population… so long as the population’s material needs are being met by the ‘system’ that is mulcting them.

    If the lives of the populace stop getting better, propaganda has a harder row to hoe; if things get [relatively] worse, then propaganda and indoctrination starts to fail.

    The lack of material progress (both outright and relative to the West) led to disaffection in the former USSR.

    It speaks volumes about the successful indoctrination program in the US, that median American take-home wages have shown almost no real growth (in real terms) since the 1970s and yet the 2 generations raised since then have only the faintest glimmerings of a nascent rejection of American Exceptionalism.

    My own guess is that the rising availability of mechanisms of distraction (video games, Netflix and other highly-produced son et lumière) has played a significant part… but there is a non-trivial cognitive degeneration going on (because of 3 generations of subsidies-to-reproduction of the bottom quintile) as evidenced in the fact that 18-24 year olds perform worse on tests of adult competencies (such as PIAAC).

    That last fact – that young adults’ median performance is now below that of both prior cohorts and their current elders – is why I was not surprised in the least about the recent discovery of a ‘reverse Flynn Effect‘.

  68. @Horzabky

    Maybe an employee with hatred and resentment against Britain

    Far more likely is simply an employee who was prepared to sell some product into the black market (perhaps with Skripal as a conduit: he was known to have a good Rolodex).

    The market for that sort of thing is pretty well-understood: there is non-trivial demand, from both organised crime and the death squads of ‘civilised’ nation-states.

    That was my working hypothesis the whole time (when it because clear that the incident happened near the UK’s chemical-WMD production lab): the Skripal incident was a ‘handoff’ gone awry.

    A tiny failure of containment, a minuscule dose… they survive.

    The next couple could be just a couple of numpties who find a receptacle and give it a sniff (not plausible, given all the news coverage of the Skripal incident) or a couple of low-rent recruits used to get the initial delivery done; inadequate precautions (or incompetent handling) -> bigger dose -> one dead.

    Even TV shows (e.g., “The Americans”) get that sort of plotline relatively correct: the person doing the handoff is usually most vulnerable to a failure to properly seal the receptacle.

  69. @Colin Wright

    Mark Twain nailed it even more accurately than Upton Sinclair (although both were correct) – although Twain watered it down in the rest of the text.


    “You tell me whar a man gits his corn pone, en I’ll tell you what his ‘pinions is.”


    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

    Twain’s piece then twists itself into epistemological knots to turn the black philosopher’s aphorism into something less pejorative: that ‘corn pone opinions’ are so named because they’re bland or common , ‘go along to get along’ sort of stuff.

    What Twain’s character Jerry (a young black slave) was actually talking about – as the corn-pone quote makes absolutely clear – is the man who holds opinions that conform to his paymasters interests, rather than his own. Another excerpt from the same piece clarifies this even further…

    The black philosopher’s idea was that a man is not independent, and cannot afford views which might interfere with his bread and butter.

    It’s by no means clear to me why Twain would twist the unambiguous statement of the young slave, in such a way as to denude it of its most incisive commentary – because although he’s probably right (a lot of people ‘import’ their worldview wholesale from their social group), Jerry’s observation more accurately captures the reality for people who purport to hold opinions that actually work against their own interests (and often, the interests of their entire class).

  70. In cases like this, we’re left to wonder – are heads-of- state like Teresa May & Donald Trump really that stupid and naïve, or are they just playing a part in the charade. Perhaps we’ll never know. At any rate, what is there about obvious false-flags that people have such a hard time getting their arms around?

  71. @Wizard of Oz

    That you can’t think is made obvious to all by none other than yourself. Try listening to or reading her statements on this very topic, the poisonings. If thoughts are still alien to the vast wasteland between your ears try listening to or reading her statements on Putin and Ukraine, Crimea and just about everything else. If thoughts continue to elude you consider seeing a lost and found agency for brains or even a specialist in dementia .
    Best wishes and good luck to you, sincerely, from your good friend the Duke.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  72. @Biff

    The Skripals are not the first. When it comes to protecting false narratives, the Brits are past masters. When early in WW2, Rudolph Hess crash-landed his plane in England to deliver peace overtures from his boss Hitler to Churchill, he was locked-away in Spandau Prison, never to be seen or heard from again. Dying at an advanced age while never being allowed access to the outside world. Leaving behind no written or verbal account of his actions that would have proven England’s rejection of peace offers and desire for a war, no interviews with the media – no nothing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  73. @EliteCommInc.

    “Conspiracy theories are proven true in countless court rooms across the country each day.”

  74. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:

    What extraordinary denizens of a dark and gloomy world inhabit UR threads. One shudders to think of what possesses you to grind your teeth as you read and listen hour after hour to Mrs May on the poisonings, Ukraine, Crimea and Putin (and we know from your solemn word you weren’t cribbing with Wikipedia). What a life! What a neural mess.

    But you are a true UR fanatic. “Lies” and “liar” are uttered with sublime disregard for etymology or evidence. And your level of civility is consistent.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  75. Anonymous[408] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carroll Price

    I thought I had blocked you together with the ineffable NoseytheDuke but it seems that the ultimate malice of those attacking Mr Unz’s website lies in their releasing beasts from their cages. Still madness can have an irresistible fascination…

    “early in WW2 …. he was locked away in Spandau prison never to be seen or heard from again”

    I wonder whether it is ignorance as well as carelessness which disqualifies you from credit for anything you say. Here, just to keep it short, you egregiously omit to notice that Hess was tried publicly as a war criminal after WW2 and to explain at his trial why he didn’t justify his mission which you allege was from Hitler. (Actually Hess was acting in desperation as Bormann was edging him out of the inner sanctum and Hitler was extremely angry at Hess’s flight).

  76. @Intelligent Dasein

    Americans don’t really care if the missile shots were legit or not. They just enjoy seeing things blow up. Violence and mayhem is a national obsession

  77. @Colin Wright

    When the Anti-defamation League gets through with senorita Cortez, she’ll be a whimpering bitch-dog begging for forgiveness.

  78. @Anonymous

    Your comment pleased me greatly. Thank you.

  79. Why doesn’t Philip mention Russian allegations that Spiez Lab in Switzerland, along with an unnamed lab in the Netherlands, both detected BZ in the Skripal blood samples? Surely, if the Russians are lying or mistaken, the OPCW could order the release of all raw data from those labs and prove it!

    Also, the Russians claim that the A-234 (Novichok) Spiez discovered in the samples was undegraded and therefore could not have been in contact with blood for the two weeks between the poisonings and the analysis and was furthermore a lethal dose. Once again, the West should prove the Russians lied about that as well.

    Is Philip unaware of those developments? They weren’t well reported in the propaganda media.

  80. @jacques sheete

    Jacques, guess you never read 1984. Was it translated into French?

  81. And God, that of the classes [plutocrats; their servile second class] said: Do not interpret me. Do not go beyond what i have written [ok, not by my hand, but by a few Hebrews i picked to write it for me].
    Leave it be or you will surely break up Jesuses Church into smitherings.

    Thank you, o my goddevil, for letting the Church break up into a million of shards. I am exceedingly happy that these churches are in an everlasting disputations.

  82. The worst poisoning is the one Zionist Jews long ago introduced into what was once an American government.

  83. Dismayingly, anti_republocrat wrote: “Is Philip unaware of those developments?”

    Hi anti_republicrat,

    You must be a newcomer to The Unz Review, in particular Philip Giraldi’s stuff, eh?

    He is aware that everything is done for the sake of Israel.

    The Republican and Democrat political parties are theater.

  84. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max

    Exclusive: Novichok victim reveals perfume he gave partner contained deadly nerve agent | ITV News


    Amesbury Novichok poisoning victim Charlie Rowley has revealed a sealed box of perfume which he found and later gave to his girlfriend contained a deadly nerve agent which killed her. In an exclusive interview with ITV News, the 45-year-old explained how his partner Dawn Sturgess fell ill moments after spraying the liquid on her wrists. He said: “Within 15 minutes, I believe Dawn said she felt she had a headache and asked me if I had any headache tablets. I had a look around the flat and within that time she said she felt peculiar and needed to lie down in the bath, which at the time I thought was a bit strange. “I went into the bathroom and found her in the bath, fully clothed, in a very ill state.” Mr Rowley later fell critically ill himself. Dawn died eight days later. He told ITV News he had found a sealed box in a cellophane wrapper containing a perfume bottle some days earlier, and had kept it at his Amesbury home, before handing it to his partner of two years as a gift. He explained how he struggled to remember where he had originally found the item but was convinced it was legitimate, as it looked like it hadn’t been used, “Which made me think it was quite safe,” he said. The latest development as to how Mr Rowley and Ms Sturgess came into contact with Novichok “raises questions” as to whether Salisbury is now free of the nerve agent, according to ITV News Correspondent Rupert Evelyn. He said: “We are not privy to a lot of the details that police have as part of the investigation, but what Charlie Rowley said today was interesting in terms of the perfume bottle. “He said it was unopened, the box it was in was sealed, and that they had to use a knife in order to cut through it. “That raises the question: if it wasn’t used, is this the only Novichok that exists in this city? And was it the same Novichok used to attack Sergei and Yulia Skripal?”

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  85. FKA Max says: • Website
    @FKA Max


    A Whitehall source said: “The net keeps widening – they almost can’t predict what’s going to turn up next. The bottle they put it in could only have been bought in Russia.

    “The suggestion this didn’t come from Russia is almost laughable.”
    The source said the killers’ ­carelessness in concealing the nerve agent inside a Russian product suggests they probably also left the rest of the ­novichok lying around – regardless of who might find it. One or both groups of hitmen could have been in the UK for a considerable time before the March attack. and

    • Replies: @Herald
  86. Herald says:
    @FKA Max

    Oh dear, I do wonder why intelligent people can’t see things like you do?

  87. FKA Max says: • Website


    Salisbury poisonings: two Russian suspects named

    Channel 4 News
    Published on Sep 5, 2018
    The government says they were Russian intelligence operatives who went on to commit the Salisbury novichok attack before flying back to Moscow the same day. The Crown Prosecution Service said there’s enough evidence to charge them, but there’s little if any prospect of a trial.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  88. @NoseytheDuke

    You might care to balance your prima facie view about who is trying to deceive you with this which I have just posted on a later thread in reply to FKAMax

    *** ***

    Anyone examining the Skripal affair seroously and who is to be trusted on it might want to add to what you linked and quoted nearly six months ago the following from the FT:

    Russia spread ‘disinformation’ on Skripal attack – via @FT

    Yeah, you’ll find the name George Soros in this piece…..

    ** ** ** **

    Russian state media published 138 contradictory accounts of the nerve agent attack on former double agent Sergei Skripal last year, a new report has found, lending fresh weight to UK claims of a Moscow backed propaganda campaign.

    According to the report by King’s College, London, the Russian state broadcaster RT and the news agency Sputnik were used as a “vehicle of disinformation” through the “publication and repetition of a long list of often contradictory narratives” which painted “a confusing picture of events” in Salisbury last March.

    The report comes almost exactly one year since Mr Skripal and his daughter Yulia fell critically ill after being exposed to a nerve agent from a family of nerve agents known as novichocks. The Skripals are in hiding after being discharged from hospital last year.

    British police have charged two senior intelligence officers from Russia’s military intelligence agency, the GRU, with the attempted murder of the Skripals as well as the murder of Dawn Sturgess, who died months later after inadvertently coming into contact with a small bottle containing the agent, which had been discarded by the attackers.

    Yulia and Sergei Skripal fell ill after exposure to novichok nerve agent © Rex/Shutterstock
    In the weeks after the attack, as police raced to investigate what had happened to the Skripals, Britain accused Russia of spreading false conspiracy theories to hinder the investigation and deflect responsibility for the bodged chemical weapons attack.

    In response, the UK’s Foreign Office stepped up its own social media campaign to counter the reports and claims. “We know the tactics they use. But they don’t change the facts,” the FCO said in a Facebook video at the time.

    In December the UK media regulator, Ofcom, found RT guilty of “a serious failure” of impartiality for its coverage following the Salisbury nerve gas attack.

    The report by King’s College, which was funded by Open Society Foundations, an organisation founded by the billionaire philanthropist George Soros, said that RT and Sputnik used their English language platforms to spread seven different conspiracy theories about the attack.

    British police have charged two senior officers from Russia’s military intelligence agency with attempted murder © Metropolitan Police/Getty
    These included claims that the poisoning was staged by the UK, the US or western intelligence agencies to hurt Russia, that it was a hoax and that there was no trace of novichok found in Salisbury.

    One of the more outlandish theories included an article that claimed the UK government’s explanation of the attack had been inspired by a Sky TV drama which featured a plot involving a Russian scientist who had developed a deadly chemical weapon called novichok.

    “Understanding the extent to which these techniques can exist within state-linked outlets like RT is an important step towards preventing the spread of disinformation and its damaging effect on journalism and public discourse,” said Gordon Ramsay, one of the authors of the report.

    Moscow’s use of state media in the Skripal case echoes similar efforts to stall international action over other examples of Russian aggression, including military action in Syria and the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine in 2014.

    RT said: “We are amazed that it took some in the UK this long to jump on the tried-and-true bandwagon: blame RT for journalistic audacity to demand facts and ask questions.”

    Sputnik did not respond to a request for comment.

  89. @FKA Max

    Here, from the FT today, is just another item to give context for the doubts about NATO countries’ accounts of foul deeds:

    Iranian-Dutch diplomatic relations have deteriorated after the Netherlands accused the Islamic Republic of orchestrating two political assassinations of Dutch nationals of Iranian origin on Dutch soil. Tehran has denied any involvement.

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