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Fast but not furious, the Global South is revving up. The key takeaway of the BRICS+ summit in Beijing, held in sharp contrast with the G7 in the Bavarian Alps, is that both West Asia’s Iran and South America’s Argentina officially applied for BRICS membership.

The Iranian Foreign Ministry has highlighted how BRICS has “a very creative mechanism with broad aspects”. Tehran – a close partner of both Beijing and Moscow – already had “a series of consultations” about the application: the Iranians are sure that will “add value” to the expanded BRICS.

Talk about China, Russia and Iran being sooooo isolated. Well, after all we’re deep into the metaverse spectrum, where things are the opposite of what they seem.

Moscow’s obstinacy in not following Washington’s Plan A to start a pan-European war is rattling Atlanticist nerves to the core. So right after the G7 summit significantly held at a former Nazi sanatorium, enter NATO’s, in full warmongering regalia.

So welcome to an atrocity exhibition featuring total demonization of Russia, defined as the ultimate “direct threat”; the upgrading of Eastern Europe into “a fort”; a torrent of tears shed about the Russia-China strategic partnership; and as an extra bonus, the branding of China as a “systemic challenge”.

There you go: for the NATO/G7 combo, the leaders of the emerging multipolar world as well as the vast swathes of the Global South that want to join in, are a “systemic challenge”.

Turkiye under the Sultan of Swing – Global South in spirit, tightrope walker in practice – got literally everything it wanted to magnanimously allow Sweden and Finland to clear their paths on the way of being absorbed by NATO.

Bets can be made on what kind of shenanigans NATO navies will come up with in the Baltics against the Russian Baltic Fleet, to be followed by assorted business cards distributed by Mr. Khinzal, Mr. Zircon, Mr. Onyx and Mr. Kalibr, capable of course of annihilating any NATO permutation, including “decision centers”.

So it came as a sort of perverse comic relief when Roscosmos released a set of quite entertaining satellite images pinpointing the coordinates of those “decision centers”.

The “leaders” of NATO and the G7 seem to enjoy performing a brand of lousy cop/clownish cop routine. The NATO summit told coke comedian Elensky (remember, the letter “Z” is verboten) that the Russian combined arms police operation – or war – must be “resolved” militarily. So NATO will continue to help Kiev to fight till the last Ukrainian cannon fodder.

In parallel, at the G7, German Chancellor Scholz was asked to specify what “security guarantees” would be provided to what’s left of Ukraine after the war. Response from the grinning Chancellor: “Yes … I could” (specify). And then he trailed off.

Illiberal Western liberalism

Over 4 months after the start of Operation Z, zombified Western public opinion completely forgot – or willfully ignores – that Moscow spent the last stretch of 2021 demanding a serious discussion on legally binding security guarantees from Washington, with an emphasis on no more NATO eastward expansion and a return to the 1997 status quo.

Diplomacy did fail, as Washington emitted a non-response response. President Putin had stressed the follow-up would be a “military technical” response (that turned out to be Operation Z) even as the Americans warned that would trigger massive sanctions.

Contrary to Divide and Rule wishful thinking, what happened after February 24 only solidified the synergistic Russia-China strategic partnership – and their expanded circle, especially in the context of BRICS and the SCO. As Sergey Karaganov, head of Russia’s Council on Foreign and Defense Policy noted earlier this year, “China is our strategic cushion (…) We know that in any difficult situation, we can lean on it for military, political and economic support.”

That was outlined in detail for all the Global South to see by the landmark February 4th joint statement for Cooperation Entering a New Era – complete with the accelerated integration of BRI and the EAEU in tandem with military intelligence harmonization under the SCO (including new full member Iran), key foundation stones of multipolarism.

Now compare it with the wet dreams of the Council on Foreign Relations or assorted ravings by armchair strategic “experts” of “the top national security think tank in the world” whose military experience is limited to negotiating a can of beer.

Makes one yearn for those serious analytic days when the late, great Andre Gunder Frank penned ” a paper on the paper tiger” , examining American power at the crossroads of paper dollar and the Pentagon.

The Brits, with better imperial education standards, at least seem to understand, halfway, how Xi Jinping “has embraced a variant of integral nationalism not unlike those that emerged in interwar Europe”, while Putin “skillfully deployed Leninist methods to resurrect an enfeebled Russia as a global power.”

Yet the notion that “ideas and projects originating in the illiberal West continue to shape global politics” is nonsense, as Xi in fact is inspired by Mao as much as Putin is inspired by several Eurasianist theoreticians. What’s relevant is that in the process of the West plunging into a geopolitical abyss, “Western liberalism has itself become illiberal.”

Much worse: it actually became totalitarian.

Holding the Global South hostage

The G7 is essentially offering to most of the Global South a toxic cocktail of massive inflation, rising prices and uncontrolled dollarized debt.

Fabio Vighi has brilliantly outlined how “the purpose of the Ukrainian emergency is to keep the money printer switched on while blaming Putin for worldwide economic downturn. The war serves the opposite aim of what we are told: not to defend Ukraine but to prolong the conflict and nourish inflation in a bid to defuse cataclysmic risk in the debt market, which would spread like wildfire across the whole financial sector.”

And if it can get worse, it will. At the Bavarian Alps, the G7 promised to find “ways to limit the price of Russian oil and gas”: if that doesn’t work according to “market methods”, then “means will be imposed by force”.

A G7 “indulgence” – neo-medievalism in action – would only be possible if a prospective buyer of Russian energy agrees to strike a deal on the price with G7 representatives.

What this means in practice is that the G7 arguably will be creating a new body to “regulate” the price of oil and gas, subordinated to Washington’s whims: for all practical purposes, a major twist of the post-1945 system.

The whole planet, especially the Global South, would be held hostage.

Meanwhile, in real life, Gazprom is on a roll, making as much money from gas exports to the EU as it did in 2021, even though it’s shipping much smaller volumes.

ORDER IT NOW

About the only thing this German analyst gets right is that were Gazprom forced to cut off supplies for good, that would represent “the implosion of an economic model that is over-reliant on industrial exports, and therefore on imports of cheap fossil fuels. Industry is responsible for 36% of Germany’s gas use.”

Think, for instance, BASF forced to halt production at the world’s biggest chemicals plant in Ludwigshafen. Or Shell’s CEO stressing it’s absolutely impossible to replace Russian gas supplied to the EU via pipelines with (American) LNG.

This coming implosion is exactly what Washington neocon/neoliberalcon circles want – removing a powerful (Western) economic competitor from the world trading stage. What’s truly astonishing is that Team Scholz can’t even see it coming.

Virtually no one remembers what happened a year ago when the G7 struck a pose of trying to help the Global South. That was branded as Build Back Better World (B3W). “Promising projects” were identified in Senegal and Ghana, there were “visits” to Ecuador, Panama and Colombia. The Crash Test Dummy administration was offering “the full range” of US financial tools: equity stakes, loan guarantees, political insurance, grants, technical expertise on climate, digital technology and gender equality.

The Global South was not impressed. Most of it had already joined BRI. B3W went down with a whimper.

Now the EU is promoting its new “infrastructure” project for the Global South, branded as Global Gateway, officially presented by European Commission (EC) Fuhrer Ursula von der Leyen and – surprise! – coordinated with the floundering B3W. That’s the Western “response” to BRI, demonized as – what else – “a debt trap”.

Global Gateway in theory should be spending 300 billion euros in 5 years; the EC will come up with only 18 billion from the EU budget (that is, financed by EU taxpayers), with the intention of amassing 135 billion euros in private investment. No Eurocrat has been able to explain the gap between the announced 300 billion and the wishful thinking 135 billion.

In parallel, the EC is doubling down on their floundering Green Energy agenda – blaming, what else, gas and coal. EU climate honcho Frans Timmermans has uttered an absolute pearl: “Had we had the green deal five years earlier, we would not be in this position because then we would have less dependency on fossil fuels and natural gas.”

Well, in real life the EU remains stubbornly on the road to become a fully de-industrialized wasteland by 2030. Inefficient solar or wind-based Green Energy is incapable of offering stable, reliable power. No wonder vast swathes of the EU are now Back to Coal.

The right kind of swing

It’s a tough call to establish who’s The Lousiest in the NATO/G7 cop routine. Or the most predictable. This is what I published about the NATO summit . Not now: in 2014, eight years ago. The same old demonization, over and over again.

And once again, if it can get worse, predictably it will. Think of what’s left of Ukraine – mostly eastern Galicia – being annexed to the Polish wet dream: the revamped Intermarium, from the Baltic to the Black Sea, now dubbed as a bland “Three Seas Initiative” (with the added Adriatic) and comprising 12 nation-states.

What that implies long-term is a EU breakdown from within. Opportunist Warsaw just profits financially from the Brussels system’s largesse while holding its own hegemonic designs. Most of the “Three Seas” will end up exiting the EU. Guess who will guarantee their “defense”: Washington, via NATO. What else is new? The revamped Intermarium concept goes back all the way to the late Zbig “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski.

So Poland dreams of becoming the Intermarium leader, seconded by the Three Baltic Midgets, enlarged Scandinavia, plus Bulgaria and Romania. Their aim is straight from Comedy Central: reducing Russia into “pariah state” status – and then the whole enchilada: regime change, Putin out, balkanization of the Russian Federation.

Britain, that inconsequential island, still invested in teaching Empire to the American upstarts, will love it. Germany-France-Italy much less. Lost in the wilderness Euro-analysts dream of a European Quad (Spain added), replicating the Indo-Pacific scam, but in the end it will all depend which way Berlin swings.

And then there’s that unpredictable Global South stalwart led by the Sultan of Swing: freshly rebranded Turkiye. Soft neo-Ottomanism seems to be on a roll, still expanding its tentacles from the Balkans and Libya to Syria and Central Asia. Evoking the golden age of the Sublime Porte, Istanbul is the only serious mediator between Moscow and Kiev. And it’s carefully micromanaging the evolving process of Eurasia integration.

The Americans were on the verge of regime-changing the Sultan. Now they have been forced to listen to him. Talk about a serious geopolitical lesson to the whole Global South: it don’t mean a “systemic challenge” thing if you’ve got the right kind of swing.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Notsofast says:

    erdogan is in his glory, playing both ends against the middle and everybody has to give him his way. even though he is a duplicitous back stabber, you almost have to admire his geopolitical high wire act.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @republic
  2. SafeNow says:

    Bets can be made on what kind of shenanigans NATO navies will come up with in the Baltics against the Russian Baltic Fleet

    “Shenanigans” is flippant. I read 2035, a novel about a nuclear war that begins with
    escalations at sea. The scenario of stepwise escalations at sea is plausible and worrying.

  3. Athena says:

    The G7 is essentially offering to most of the Global South a toxic cocktail of massive inflation, rising prices and uncontrolled dollarized debt.

    Exactly. US, UK, EU – NATO MONSTERS

    8-8-8: US-NATO coup attempt failed in Georgia. A couple of years later, the banks ”were” crashed.

    Global Planned Financial Tsunami has Just Begun
    http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO21June20222022.php

    “The post-2008 era of Quantitative Easing and zero Fed interest rates led to absurd US Government debt expansion. Since January 2020 the Fed, Bank of England, European Central Bank and Bank of Japan have injected a combined \$9 trillion in near zero rate credit into the world banking system. Since a Fed policy change in September 2019, it enabled Washington to increase public debt by a staggering \$10 trillion in less than 3 years. Then the Fed again covertly bailed out Wall Street by buying \$120 billion per month of US Treasury bonds and Mortgage-Backed Securities creating a huge bond bubble.

    A reckless Biden Administration began doling out trillions in so-called stimulus money to combat needless lockdowns of the economy. US Federal debt went from a manageable 35% of GDP in 1980 to more than 129% of GDP today. Only the Fed Quantitative Easing, buying of trillions of US government and mortgage debt and the near zero rates made that possible. Now the Fed has begun to unwind that and withdraw liquidity from the economy with QT or tightening, plus rate hikes. This is deliberate. It is not about a stumbling Fed mis-judging inflation.”

    28-years-old twins whose genes have been affected by an agent sprayed on their soil by the US-NATO 30 years ago:

    http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2009/12/21/another-sorry-episode-in-american-history-agent-orange/

    “The U.S. government still spends billions every year on disability payments to those who served in Vietnam — including their children, many of whom are suffering from dioxin-associated cancers and birth defects.”

    We spend billions per week on undeclared wars to injure, kill, and destroy. We spend hundreds of millions of dollars on fraudulent and wasteful defense contracts. We spend billions on drones and bombs which kill 687 civilians per 14 enemy targets, amounting to a ratio of nearly 50 civilians killed for each undeclared enemy killed.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  4. republic says:
    @Notsofast

    you almost have to admire his geopolitical high wire act.

    Very true

  5. antibeast says:
    @Athena

    A reckless Biden Administration began doling out trillions in so-called stimulus money to combat needless lockdowns of the economy.

    The USA would no longer be able to borrow trillions of dollars to dole out for warfare, weapons or welfare with the USD losing its status as the world’s reserve currency, as shown in the graph below:

    The Euro posed such an existential threat to the status of the USD as the world’s reserve currency that the USA had to instigate the crisis in Ukraine in order to destroy the EU and kill the Euro. We are now entering a period of stagflation reminiscent of the 1970s when the OPEC oil embargo sent oil prices quadrupling within six months. And with the Global South relying on both China and Russia to stay afloat, the G7 will be the hardest hit in the coming depression.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  6. Notsofast says:
    @antibeast

    thanks for that revealing graph, i’m sure when 2022 is added, it will plunge, after the financial shenanigans and outright theft of billions of dollars of russian assets. i agree with your position that the true purpose of the ukraine war was the destruction of the euro and the planned looting of the e.u. economy. this is also the real purpose of the feds sudden rate hikes, designed to prop up the value of the dollar against the euro, so european assets can be purchased for pennies on the dollar, with a bunch of monopoly money. the “strong” dollar will be used to loot central and south american (since their debt has to be paid in dollars) as well as african nations currently being starved of food and resources that have been purposefully inflated through illegal sanctions and phony supply line disruption.

    if the russians and the chinese, through the new expanding brics coalition move in and buy the u.s. debt and renegotiate it with these countries, it would free them from the yolk of debt slavery and having their national assets looted by foreign “investors”.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  7. antibeast says:
    @Notsofast

    i agree with your position that the true purpose of the ukraine war was the destruction of the euro and the planned looting of the e.u. economy.

    If you look at the graph in my last post, you will notice how bad the 1970s and 1980s were for the USD as Central Banks dumped their USD holdings. The USD then regained its former status as the US economy improved in the 1990s due to the rise of the Petrodollar but started losing again after the EU launched the Euro in 1999. To defend the reserve status of the USD against the Euro, the USA then offered MFN status to China in 2000 which paved the way for the latter’s accession to the WTO in 2001, with the USD becoming China’s reserve currency.

    Fast forward to 2020, without the USA blocking the final completion of the NordStream 2 pipeline and the expected ratification of the EU-China investment treaty, the Euro would have surpassed the USD as the world’s reserve currency, boosted by its acceptance by both Russia and China as part of their energy and investment deals with the EU, respectively. Then the Ukraine Crisis happened, instigated by the USA which forced the EU to impose sanctions against Russia, thereby hurting its own EU economy. The USA had no other choice but to go after the Euro in order to save the USD. The next step is for the USA to widen the Ukraine Crisis by destroying the EU in order to kill the Euro altogether, thereby saving the reserve status of the USD. Once that happens, the USA will force European countries to accept the USD as their reserve currencies which will be used to buy out Europe for pennies to the dollar after European economies had collapsed from the US-instigated sanctions against Russia.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @Athena
    , @showmethereal
  8. Pure poetry of truth. The most entertaining political analysis imaginable.

  9. “systemic challenge” is the new “politically unreliable”

  10. Athena says:
    @antibeast

    Then the Ukraine Crisis happened, instigated by the USA which forced the EU to impose sanctions against Russia, thereby hurting its own EU economy. The USA had no other choice but to go after the Euro in order to save the USD. The next step is for the USA to widen the Ukraine Crisis by destroying the EU in order to kill the Euro altogether, thereby saving the reserve status of the USD.

    I think you’re right.

    http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO21June2022.php

    “Here is where it began to go really bad. The largest Wall Street banks such as JP MorganChase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup or in London HSBC or Barclays, lent billions to their major corporate clients. The borrowers in turn used the liquidity, not to invest in new manufacturing or mining technology, but rather to inflate the value of their company stocks, so-called stock buy-backs, termed “maximizing shareholder value.”

    “With the 0.75% Fed rate hike, largest in almost 30 years, and promise of more to come, the US central bank has now guaranteed a collapse of not merely the US debt bubble, but also much of the post-2008 global debt of \$303 trillion. Rising interest rates after almost 15 years mean collapsing bond values. Bonds, not stocks, are the heart of the global financial system.”

    “As bond prices fall, the value of bank capital falls. The most exposed to such a loss of value are major French banks along with Deutsche Bank in the EU, along with the largest Japanese banks. US banks like JP MorganChase are believed to be only slightly less exposed to a major bond crash. Much of their risk is hidden in off-balance sheet derivatives and such. However, unlike in 2008, today central banks can’t rerun another decade of zero interest rates and QE. This time, as insiders like ex-Bank of England head Mark Carney noted three years ago, the crisis will be used to force the world to accept a new Central Bank Digital Currency, a world where all money will be centrally issued and controlled. This is also what Davos WEF people mean by their Great Reset. ”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @antibeast
  11. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    The larger point…that the US Unipolar moment is over…yes.
    But the notion the US had to do it? Sad but the US couldn’t help but do it. It was helpless to resist its impulse.
    The sad truth is neither the US nor Europe need Ukraine. So ‘the most important thing ever’ was really just something to do. And that is is mostly pathetic.
    But the US/Europe/NATO could quit any time, and simply declare victory on Twitter. A moral victory. No one really expected Ukraine to beat Russia, right.
    The US continually fails to win and the result is??? Nothing. Except for collateral damage to someone else’s country. Check that box. Sucks to be Ukraine.
    In a just universe, ‘never mind’ isn’t good enough. But that is the most likely outcome.

  12. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @Athena

    Not so much. US corporate debt is termed out at low interest rates. Corporations aren’t sitting on massive floating rate debts. The bond holders are the bag holders. Corporations are paying negative real interest rates. Bond/bag holders are receiving negative real rates.
    There is no debt crisis. The creditors take one up the shorts.

    This is nothing new. Happened before…US early 80’s.

  13. Wokechoke says:

    cue The (((Ukrainian))) terrorists blowing airliners out the sky.

  14. Putin should rap this song

  15. antibeast says:
    @Athena

    However, unlike in 2008, today central banks can’t rerun another decade of zero interest rates and QE.

    Correct. Unlike the 1970s and 1980s, the USD does not have anything equivalent to the Petrodollar which allowed the Fed to print dollars out of thin air to fund the US government debts accumulated since Nixon abandoned the Gold Standard in 1971. Here’s a graph showing how US interest rates rose to tame inflation during the 1970s and 1980s:

    If the US government borrows USD 1 trillion at 5% interest, then that would require interest payments of \$50B a year. With a debt of USD 10 trillion accumulated in 10 years time, the US government would have to pay \$500B a year in interest alone. In other words, the US government would have to borrow up to half of its debt annually just to pay the interest on its \$10T debt. What this implies is that there is an upper limit as to how high the Fed could increase its interest rates without making the US government financially insolvent. Unlike the 1970s and 1980s, the US government could no longer rely on recycling Petrodollars to finance its USD debts as the Euro has been competing against the USD since the former’s launch in 1999.

    The worst thing that would have occurred is if the Euro were to displace the USD as the world’s reserve currency which was bound to happen after the final completion of the NordStream 2 pipeline and the expected ratification of the EU-China investment treaty in 2020. That’s why the USA blocked those two deals involving both China and Russia which would have cemented the role of the Euro as the world’s reserve currency by the end of this decade. The only way out for the USA to save the USD is to kill the Euro and revive the Eurodollar by ‘f-cking’ the EU ala Nuland. That’s the hidden motive behind the USA instigating the Ukraine Crisis which is a replay of the classic Thucydides Trap involving the existential threat posed by the EU and its Euro currency against the USA-NATO Empire and its USD reserve status.

    The USA could have gone after both China and Russia like a hungry wolf. But they happen to be two of the biggest wolves on this planet. Instead, the USA is now looking at its biggest prey — the EU with its Euro currency — which happens to be the fattest lamb on this planet and devour the Europeans like sheep on steroids.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Yee
  16. Kali says:

    So, what does all of this mean for the little people?

    Well, in real life the EU remains stubbornly on the road to become a fully de-industrialized wasteland by 2030.

    Deindustrialised FARMLAND is what it means!

    OK, so the globalists have their plans to shift us all into tightly packed, tightly controled “smart” cities, connected by “smart” roads and high-speed rail, to be stacked and packed, told where and how to live, where to work, how many state educated, multi-gendered children to have, and what flavour of genetically modified bugs to eat. And etc. Because “global warming”.

    But they can only have their way IF the hundereds of millions of non-elites roll over for it! Sure, the majority of those hundreds of millions apper to be largely unaware/complacant, but we only need a small percentage to get the worm turning in another direction.

    By returning to the land, and/or making use of the land already at our disposal, becoming self-reliant and self-sufficient through cooperation with our friends and neighbours, we can ensure our own survival. – All of this I’ve said before: cooperative communities, networked across geographic regions, the establishment of community stores (including of skills, expertise, work-time, materials, food, seed, clothing, bedding…) preferably employing the principles of “giving” (give only what you can, take only what you need) to develople self-regulating local economies.

    That’s step 1, 2, 3…

    But what happens when the kleptocrats come to “enclose” (steal) the land on behalf of their corporate overlords, waving their agenda 21/30 in our faces?
    The answer to that question depends entirely on numbers and strength of will.

    Either we make the moves necessary to ensure our independance from their control systems NOW, thereby starving the beast (the “economy-stupid” including in its digital form) whilst empowering ourselves, or come 2030, we become the abject slaves of “the people of the lie”, even as we studiously analyse and lament the tactics of the would-be slavers along the way.

    Time’s getting short.

    In order to remain free we need to establish the machanisms of our survival now!

    Best wishes,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
  17. Very good report…

    I know how the Scholz undertaker of the German remnants could be let (lead) and put on top… what is even more amazing is how a senile crook can be “president”. Amazing. It really is amazing.

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-09-29-burisma-admits-court-it-bribed-joe-and-hunter-biden.html#

    https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-gas-company-burisma-holdings-joe-bidens-son-hunter-explained-2019-9

    Compared to the Jewed West the BRICS+ are truly a hope for all of mankind (incl. Americans).
    “Number of Americans willing to take up arms against government revealed”
    https://www.rt.com/news/558193-americans-arms-against-government/

  18. peterAUS says:

    So, what does all of this mean for the little people?

    Well… there is somebody, at last, in this online pub who’s focused on what matters.

    Now, we both know we definitely disagree on fundamentals as to “what to do about the problem”, but, we do agree as to “what’s happening to us”. Let’s keep focus on what we have in common.

    OK, so the globalists have their plans to shift us all into tightly packed, tightly controled “smart” cities, connected by “smart” roads and high-speed rail, to be stacked and packed, told where and how to live, where to work, how many state educated, multi-gendered children to have, and what flavour of genetically modified bugs to eat. And etc.

    Pretty much.

    But they can only have their way IF the hundereds of millions of non-elites roll over for it! Sure, the majority of those hundreds of millions apper to be largely unaware/complacant, but we only need a small percentage to get the worm turning in another direction.

    Here is where we start to differ. Hundreds of millions of non-elites won’t mind it.

    By returning to the land, and/or making use of the land already at our disposal, becoming self-reliant and self-sufficient through cooperation with our friends and neighbours, we can ensure our own survival. – All of this I’ve said before: cooperative communities, networked across geographic regions, the establishment of community stores (including of skills, expertise, work-time, materials, food, seed, clothing, bedding…) preferably employing the principles of “giving” (give only what you can, take only what you need) to develople self-regulating local economies.
    That’s step 1, 2, 3…

    Disagree, of course, but let’s keep focus.

    But what happens when the kleptocrats come to “enclose” (steal) the land on behalf of their corporate overlords, waving their agenda 21/30 in our faces?

    That’s the question, isn’t it?

    The answer to that question depends entirely on numbers and strength of will.

    As a starting point, I’d say.

    In order to remain free we need to establish the machanisms of our survival now!

    Correct. How?

    I am not trying to be difficult here. That “how” is the problem for people like you. You do have good ideas; your problem is…you can NOT implement them. YOU can not. Nothing wrong with you; I mean we definitely disagree on fundamentals but I, personally, respect you more than 95 % of people here. You care, think, and keep focus. Something 95 % people here are incapable of.

    Having said all that, well….you are wrong. Nobody here, in fact nobody on the “alternative” has that “pull” to get “normies” to follow. To get numbers, to maintain focus, to have discipline for an organized effort. That’s your fundamental error in approaching all this. Look how idiots, again, start to follow Trump. Not you, anyone on the “alternative”. Trump, of all people.

    You should, really, read Sam Francis about MARs. About leaders and followers. About hard wired human nature.

    What is needed, really, is somebody like Trump, but true to what “the little people want”. Somebody who already has a huge clout. Somebody from the 1 %. Without that there is nothing, really.

    You..anyone, can…will…start something and be squashed as a bug because you won’t have the numbers/power. Your example will even help “them”.
    In practical terms, say, you could create a small, successful, commune there where you live. But, for it to work you’d need that on a regional level, at least. YOU can’t do it. It would need somebody already well high up the society there to lead it. Somebody “normies”, on instinctive level, recognize as “power”, as lead. A split in the 1 % is needed.

    That’s hard truth and, well, something we should internalize if we want anything positive on a larger scale.

    Now, to be practical and positive of sort:
    It would be beneficial if we could forecast the actual steps and timeline for the implementation of The Agenda. Say….”CBDC will start getting introduced, as a pilot, in this region/this city in October this year”. Then, more importantly, “this is what some of us could do to offset/counter it”.
    I know it’s way beyond capabilities of most of patrons of this online pub, and actively discouraged by the …ahm….owner and management….but, it’s maybe something some of us could start contemplating. Even better, if we could share some links for related online resources.

    My take, anyway.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  19. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Further to the above (practical stuff, if you will):

    You, we, whatever, can’t and won’t stop, even delay, what’s coming. Why, isn’t important (distraction). For me anyway; the discussion will fast get into them joos/Illuminati/whatever (focus, distraction). I’ll pass.

    The point is: it shall happen. Austerity, CBDC, Social Credit etc. How much and how detailed/powerful/intrusive, will depend on myriad of factors. It will be, definitely, differences between Australia and China. Distraction about China Australia, ZOG, Anglosphere. I’ll pass.

    It would be prudent if one could assess, with some degree of accuracy, how that thing will work in his/her environment. Distraction about multipolar/BRICKS. I’ll pass.

    Based on the assumption/assessment above, well, create own methods, procedures, whatever, to deal with it on a MICRO level.
    That’s individual, close/extended family and circle of really close friends. Disregard the rest, for a couple of reasons. For some of you having some small, local communities/communes, the same, but that’s the most of what could be done. Why not include as many people as possible, distraction. I’ll pass.
    Developing those methods/procedures is what thinking, discussions, debates should be about.

    As in edge weapons self-defense: expect to get cut. Expect to get hit by the System. It will happen. How much, how hard, well, depends on where you are and what prep you’ve done. And on some luck too.

    It can be done. It’s not even that hard, if having/developed a certain attitude/mindset.

    That’s it.

    My take, anyway.

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  20. Kali says:
    @peterAUS

    Hi Peter,

    Regardless of our differences, I appreciate our similarities (at least we are on the same side of this almighty struggle) and I apreciate your replies/input. – Especially given that you disagree with me on some of my core assertions/understanding.

    You’re certainly right to difserenciate between the micro and macro challenges we face, and I do agree that without strong, focused leaders, there is not a great deal any of us can do on the macro level. But such overt leadership would fail. – Just look what “they” did to Hitler, and more recently, to Corbyn.

    So it’s probably wise to let the macro take care of itself. (Bare with me…)

    [I also agree that Trump is a ridiculous clown (not your words, I know, but he is, and that’s that).]

    By the way, I did search “Sam Francis MARS”. I found more about him (writen by suporters of the “liberal international order”) than by him. But my appitite was wetted enough that I will see what I can find on archive.org later. Maybe Unz has some of his work in the archive too. I’ll take a look. Thanks for pushing me on that.

    I’m not sure there’s any way past the media impass as far as promoting a high profile “alternative” leader goes. All avenues in that direction are pretty much all locked up or locked down, even if we could find the right leaders/voices. – Well, absent some kind of high profile court case or something, and even then, just look what they’re getting away with re’ Julian Assange!

    However, there are so many individuals and groups working at the micro level to create alternatives to the current unimanginable disaster. – Just looking at the followings that Max Igan and James Corbett have, never mind the readership of “alt” political websites, from daily stormer, to Unz, to UK Column, to Occidental observer, and on and on, should give an indication of the widespread dissatisfaction felt by wide swathes of society. – Extrapolate from that aproximately 1-5% or greater (at a guess, and based on my own personal observations over the years) actively opting for self-reliance and/or developing alternative economies and a-political stratergies and you may see why I tend to be optimistic (more so because almost all of my friends are part of that movement, which maybe colours my vieweaelittle more rosy than that of someone stuck in the matrix).

    But I think this is the key! – Many small active groups and communities, each in their own way doing what they can to challenge the system, to opt-out of the “economy-stupid”, flying under the radar to grow their independance and ensure their survival, may just be enough – when the time comes – to resist the “UN agenda/WEF attack”. And maybe, when (I think you’re right, it is a question of “when” and not “if”) that time comes, the right leader/s will emerge to light the way for escaping “normies”.

    By which time also, we will have ironed out many wrinkles and developed sound systems for mutual support and cooperation, or for a new political/economic paradigm. (I put my own thoughts forward as suggestions and ideas that I find work for me, but I’m not dogmatic about them. At least they are a first step to survival and establishing economic self-reliance, beyond which escapees may well develope their own systems.)

    One of my reasons for engaging in these online discussions is to identify weaknesses in my own understanding, my perceptions and vission, as well as to gain an appreciation of others.

    I like to write, Peter, poor spelling notwithstanding, and one day I hope to attempt to scribe a manfesto of sorts, and hope that within it I’ll manage to cover all of the primary bases. (I also hope one day to find the time to write the two novels I have quite definite ideas for.) Time is the one luxury I seriously lack in that regard, but should I ever have it in significant quantity, and manage to pull such a manifesto together, it will in no small way be thanks to you and other serious commenters on this forum – especially because you challenge me to think and write more clearly and more comprehensively. And for pointing me in the direction of the likes of Sam Francis.

    With love and gratitude,
    Kali.

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  21. Yee says:
    @antibeast

    Don’t forget Japan…

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  22. IreneAthena says: • Website

    Well, once in awhile, I succumb to one particular distraction (escapism, really) which is my fondness for arguing. And debates abound after the recent Supreme Court rulings (i.e. huge population dividers and distractors) THANKS Kali and PeterAUS, for your conversation, which pulled me up short again.

    I had been discouraged since last week, when a tell-take pile of recently overturned stones indicated that my old nemesis, the rodent who has eaten the tuberous roots of/destroyed my hyacinths, tulips and Oriental poppies, had also gone after the potatoes I’d recently planted.

    But yesterday, in the other half of the overturned rock space, I found a tidy line of (what certainly appear to be) potato plants, with flourishing foliage! Moral is, when trying something new, you’re going to run into challenges and failures, but successes, too. So start the journey now, to get most of your failed experiments behind you before you’ve few options to food bought with CBDC money, and don’t give up!

    I think I’ve found a community of (real) people who grow food, and put their trust in God and each other rather than the USG. I’ll check them out again this weekend. Meanwhile, I’m going to look for some wire to make an underground rodent-proof cage to plant more potatoes in.

    Godspeed to both of you!

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  23. antibeast says:

    The USA already has Japan up to its neck in USD government debt:

  24. antibeast says:
    @Yee

    See my reply in post#23.

  25. peterAUS says:
    @Kali

    I do agree that without strong, focused leaders, there is not a great deal any of us can do on the macro level.

    Yep.

    But such overt leadership would fail. – Just look what “they” did to Hitler, and more recently, to Corbyn.

    At the moment.

    Maybe Unz has some of his work in the archive too. I’ll take a look. Thanks for pushing me on that.

    Suggesting, if you will. A “selection”, of sort. I “passed” it this year, after two years of futile effort where I live. Something wasn’t making sense here. It does now.
    In the same vein (practical re masses/populism vs leaders/elites)
    https://www.gwern.net/docs/history/1943-burnham-machiavellians.pdf
    Analysis/quick presentations of Machiavelli, Mosca, Pareto…and, of course Sorel. The latest in particular. That General Strike almost all on the “alternative” is so fond of.
    Then, the main thing:
    https://archive.org/details/LeviathanAndItsEnemiesSamuelT.Francis2016

    I’m not sure there’s any way past the media impass as far as promoting a high profile “alternative” leader goes. All avenues in that direction are pretty much all locked up or locked down, even if we could find the right leaders/voices.

    At the moment.

    However, there are so many individuals and groups working at the micro level to create alternatives to the current unimanginable disaster.

    There are. I have been working with some of those here where I live. Actually….was working.

    Extrapolate from that aproximately 1-5% or greater (at a guess, and based on my own personal observations over the years) actively opting for self-reliance and/or developing alternative economies and a-political stratergies and you may see why I tend to be optimistic (more so because almost all of my friends are part of that movement, which maybe colours my vieweaelittle more rosy than that of someone stuck in the matrix).

    Same here.

    Many small active groups and communities, each in their own way doing what they can to challenge the system, to opt-out of the “economy-stupid”, flying under the radar to grow their independance and ensure their survival, may just be enough – when the time comes – to resist the “UN agenda/WEF attack”. And maybe, when (I think you’re right, it is a question of “when” and not “if”) that time comes, the right leader/s will emerge to light the way for escaping “normies”.

    Agree, actually, up to a point. The leader will not emerge from the “normies” or “us”. It will be a defecting member of the 1 %.
    The crisis within the system will compel some of the current 1 % to “switch sides” if you will.

    By which time also, we will have ironed out many wrinkles and developed sound systems for mutual support and cooperation, or for a new political/economic paradigm.

    NOW you are talking. A new new political/economic paradigm.

    I like to write, Peter, poor spelling notwithstanding, and one day I hope to attempt to scribe a manfesto of sorts, and hope that within it I’ll manage to cover all of the primary bases. (I also hope one day to find the time to write the two novels I have quite definite ideas for.) Time is the one luxury I seriously lack in that regard, but should I ever have it in significant quantity, and manage to pull such a manifesto together, it will in no small way be thanks to you and other serious commenters on this forum – especially because you challenge me to think and write more clearly and more comprehensively. And for pointing me in the direction of the likes of Sam Francis.

    Admirable, but no. METHODOLOGY.
    I’ll use a couple of analogies.
    Hehe…I assume you are for Russians in this debacle in Ukraine so here it goes: you are an officer in the Russian General Staff. A little Colonel, specialist in…say…counter-terrorism. Whatever. You see what’s going on. You believe, no, you know, it’s bad and can, should, must be done better. A reform of armed forces is required. So, you, alone, decide to create a new doctrinal document. Sounds…..naive? Because it’s done by hundreds of people like you, led by dozens of generals, top civilian specialists etc.
    How about IT?
    Say, you are a decent low level programmer. You know that even Linux is bloated, too many distros, blah, blah. It can be done better, of course. So you, alone, decide to write a new operating system.
    Etc.

    Doesn’t work that way. THAT is my point.

    In practical terms what you’ve been doing is admirable. As the efforts above. But will lead, actually, nowhere destroying you in the process.

    What is requited, again, is leadership. SOMEBODY to put together hundreds of people like you and go from there. Something I was expecting when started commenting here from the highly functioning retard who failed Clovid character test .

    That’s something the Scumbag should’ve done when won the election in 2016. The signs just started to pop up then. He knew them, definitely. Did nothing; on the contrary. Exploded in September 2019. In his watch. Here we are.

    Imagine if the Scumbag had put together a think tank, supported by the power of US state, at the start of his presidency. Some people who worked so hard on his election expected that from him. The rest is history.

    Here is how I see the future, extremely briefly: The System will get implemented. Some of the current 1 % will lose, plus, the system itself will be unstable. They’ll see that as an opportunity to get their power/wealth back. The former in particular. They’ll initiate the process. People like you will, then, be able to join, offer your services. Their resources combined with your input. Or, your input supported by their resources.
    Perhaps a plan for something like that wouldn’t be a bad idea to spend some time and effort on? Project plan, if you will. Carpe momentum.
    (Nationalist) revolutions in the East Europe were done in such a way from 89-2001.

    In the meantime, well, try not to get hit too hard and, well, work on yourself and close circle of people you are in synch with. Educate them; create a core of people who could “jump in” when appropriate.

    Something like that. Again, this medium isn’t for a serious conversation about such topics. Again, methodology.
    SOMEBODY would need, even at this stage, to create, say, a well organized and managed chat room, at least, where willing and able people could spend their time and energy for, say, a month, just to initiate something. Because the highly functioning etc. failed, naturally, to do that, I hope sooner or later somebody will do it. Until that happens, well….here we are and getting worse.

    I am positive I am able to recognize the moment when that will be possible. When ego feeding and/or infotainment can become real.

    Till then, as I said…..careful and take care of yourself and those you care for. Fuck the rest.

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  26. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    A food for thought re populism, positive change coming from ground up, informing/educating “normies” and similar stuff.

    An example from Australia:
    The harshest lockdown policies have been imposed in the state of Victoria, where the Prime Minister is Daniel Andrews, a member of Australian Labor Party. A lot of those policies and (some) people reactions to it have been shown in this very online pub.
    A party, of the MAGA type, was created here a couple of years ago, with sensible anti-lockdown, Australia first policies. Before recent federal elections 30 % of people, apparently, were in favour its policies.
    In the elections that party got zero….I repeat…ZERO…seats in the parliament. The winner of the elections was/is the Australian Labor Party.
    Those are, very easily, verifiable facts.

    An example from USA:
    We can see, as we speak, …ahm….people…. lining up behind the Scumbag.

    Your homework, should you choose to do it of course, is coming up with a theory as to why is that.

    Pareto, Mosca, Burnham and Francis explained that quite well, IMHO.

    You could choose to accept or refuse their findings and conclusions. Free will and such, always.

    Should you accept them, well, re-evaluating your practical approach to the action would be the next step. You could even find that….how to put it…liberating.

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  27. Athena says:

    Uzbekistan president backtracks on constitution to defuse Karakalpakstan tension

    https://eurasianet.org/uzbekistan-president-backtracks-on-constitution-to-defuse-karakalpakstan-tension

    “The organizers of the riot are hiding behind populist slogans, manipulating the consciousness and trust of citizens, and refusing to obey the legitimate demands of the authorities,” read a statement signed collectively by the Karakalpakstan branch of the Interior Ministry, the republican government and the regional lawmaking chamber, known as the Jokargy Kenes.

    An unspecified number of people has been detained, according to the statement.

    In an echo of a common post-Soviet practice, the Uzbek authorities are trying to suggest the unrest may have been instigated by shadowy foreign forces, rather than having been triggered by internal developments.”

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  28. Kali says:
    @IreneAthena

    I’m going to look for some wire to make an underground rodent-proof cage to plant more potatoes in.

    Nice idea. I have the same problem here, except the moles tend to go for my onions and cabbage roots (leaving the plants standing, but devoid of life). I may try your underground fencing solution Irene. But knowing me I’ll fence the buggers in! lol

    I wish you all the best with your new-found gardening community. May you grow together by grace, humility and sharing. (Big egos, in my experience, destroy community, so be vigilant for them.)

    Love and fond regards,
    Kali.

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  29. Kali says:
    @peterAUS

    Your homework, should you choose to do it of course, is coming up with a theory as to why is that.

    This question shopped me in my tracks! I then realised, given my brief reading on him (thanks to you) that Sam Francis has likely given the matter some serious thought.

    Then came your next paragraph:

    Pareto, Mosca, Burnham and Francis explained that quite well, IMHO.

    Thank you for the reading list and links. I will most certainly dig deeper!

    Thank you also for all of your feedback; the positive and the negative. It all helps.

    Why don’t you start that online chat, Peter? You could maybe use a “burner” email address to invite specific contributors. – Certainly it would be helpful to have somewhere less noisy to share thoughts and develope ideas. I don’t have the time or the resources myself, and even if I did I’d probably fill the place with hippies and anarchists. 😉 (Only half joking.) – Balance is important, and the avoidance of dogmatism.

    Oh, on the Russia v the West question (and back on topic) I’m actually with you on that one. It’s a WEF game. Putin is as much setting the stage for the NWO as the covid plandemic did. The longer it goes on without decisive action from Russia in defending its “red lines”, the more certain I am of that.

    Better if those amongst us serious about establishing a new political and economic paradigm don’t get distracted by it.

    Much love,
    Kali.

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  30. peterAUS says:
    @Kali

    This question shopped me in my tracks! I then realised, given my brief reading on him (thanks to you) that Sam Francis has likely given the matter some serious thought.

    He definitely has.

    I will most certainly dig deeper!

    Should you do it you could find it quite useful; as I said, probably even liberating.

    Why don’t you start that online chat, Peter?

    Good question. You’ll find the proper answer in that material. I suggest starting with Burnham’s “Machiavelians….”.

    Better if those amongst us serious about establishing a new political and economic paradigm don’t get distracted by it.

    I’d rephrase it: better if those amongst us serious about helping in establishing a new political and economic paradigm don’t get distracted by it. BTW, that’s another question you could try to answer: why is it so easy to get people on the alternative distracted? Have them, practically, ineffective, so quick and easy? Francis wrote about it re MARs.

    One has to be aware of his/her limitations in the real game of power.

    The role of people like you and me, should we live to see the attempt to effectively change anything, will be an assistant to an assistant to a person who’s in the think tank which will do the work, at best. Or an administrator/similar on a local community level; definitely not on a wider region and Hell no on a state/country level.

    No need to feel bad about that; nobody in this online pub, from the owner, through authors, to one liner commentator is better than that. There is nobody here I’d, personally, follow/take as a leader, should an opportunity arise.

    Scamdemic, for all its bad things, helped, a lot. Showed a true person. I’ve found, and has been using it, as a perfect selection tool. Huge thanks to TBPBs. Before the thing it would take a lot of talk, maybe even some action (as sport, hunting, fishing, whatever) to see who am I really dealing with. Now…in two minutes chat, tops, I know exactly who, really, a person I am speaking with is.

    My take, anyway.

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    , @Kali
  31. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Another bit of information which could be interesting: I just got banned, by Hudson, from commenting on his latest article. That’s fine. Funny thing, I was actually trying to defend him against, IMHO, unreasonable expectations from some patrons here. Like “leave the old man alone” etc.

    Now, more importantly, in line of my core argument here, I also, in that “voided” comment wrote something like this:
    “Imagine, for a moment, somebody of Musk caliber putting all his weight behind somebody of moral integrity and intellectual capability. Somebody as, say Sam Francis. Whatever.
    Until we see something like that if I were author in this online pub I would also try not to appear too smart or brave”.

    Make of that what you will.

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  32. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    One more thing before this thread disappears, naturally, in limbo.

    You are, apparently, running/part of some, say, initiative/project/whatever where you live.

    Imagine that, say, from the next Monday, you’ll have full support of one of top 10 from this list:
    https://www.forbes.com/real-time-billionaires/#681923a43d78

    Full support. Like the thing of yours is something a character from the list sees as his legacy.

    Try to visualize that.
    Changes everything, doesn’t it? Hell, would probably work with the full support from the first 100.
    Full financing, access to all sorts of resources, media, legal, just to name a few.

    That’s the missing link in any effective change.

    My take, anyway.

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  33. @Athena

    Just for the record – the first nonsensical stimulus was under Trump. The 2nd was under Biden. Democrats and Republics both ruined the US fiscal situation the past decades.

  34. @antibeast

    Great comment but I would add to this statement: “and the expected ratification of the EU-China investment treaty”.

    The first thing the US did to try to scuttle this was to hype the fake Xinjiang genocide…. They kept using NGO’s and the media to spew lies to affect the liberal minded in Europe that “communist Vietnam” was ok for an investment deal – but not “communist China” since supposedly China was committing a holocaust against Muslims in Xinjiang. Of course it’s complete nonsense – but the power of the media overrode common sense. Then they used Lithuania then to allow a “Taiwan office” in Europe – when nobody else would do something so stupid. Similar to how they are using Lithuania to blockade Kaliningrad. Not sure why the Lithuanians like to be used to much to their own detriment… And then now of course the narrative is that China is helping Russia make war against Europe. But you are correct it’s all about the economic subjugation of Europe to the US. European companies are completely against it – but they don’t have much choice…

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  35. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    The EU-China Investment Treaty is not even a trade deal but an “investment treaty” as its name implies. Unlike the US-China trade deal negotiated by the Trump Administration, the EU-China treaty would open up China’s market to EU companies at an unprecedented State-to-State level which is denied to other foreign investors including those from the USA. The possibility of deeper EU-China economic integration probably scared the pants out of the Americans just like the prospect of closer EU-Russia economic ties cemented by the final completion of the NordStream 2 pipeline. The China+Russia+EU Triad had the potential of creating the largest economic zone in the world, denominated in Euros, thereby posing an existential threat to the global primacy of the USD Empire. The Americans knew that China had plans to shift its USD holdings to Euros which Russia has done since being hit by US sanctions in 2014. The USD would have fallen off a cliff had the Eurozone expanded to include China and Russia which finally forced the USD Empire to strike back at the EU in order to save itself from the existential threat posed by the Euro.

    THAT was the casus belli behind the Ukraine Crisis which is intended to destroy the EU and kill the Euro. So would the USA stop at Ukraine after the Russian SMO is done? Not likely. Stay tuned for the next episode of ‘F-ck the EU!’.

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    , @showmethereal
  36. bert33 says:

    Let’s hope the brics-thing bears good fruit and causes the western group to sit up and take notice of a class act in progress.

  37. Kali says:
    @peterAUS

    Hi Peter,

    Apologies for the delayed responce. It’s just so busy around here lately!

    What I make of your banning by M. Hudson is (as I have thought for some time) that he is controlled opposition. Anyone who insists that we have a choice between either Government Socialism or Finance Capitalism is limiting the conversation to “accepable” pre-ordained boundaries contained within a false dicotomy. You have confirmed my suspicions.

    https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-kremlins-hesitancy-and-prevarication-is-a-road-to-war/

    In the above link, PCR outlines the situation we currently face, though, to my thinking he fails to hit the nail on the head. Russia, too, is controlled oposition, playing its part in the destruction of nations, of sovereignty and of personal freedom, such as it is, for “we the peasants”.

    I appreqiate the point you’re making when you suggest that if just one member of the top 1-10% was to get behind the kind of project which I espouse – (which reflects the way we live our lives here, alongside those likeminded friends and neighbours we’ve been blessed with; though not by any formalised arangement)- it would make all the difference.

    But I would argue that such a difference would be short lived (in human evolutionary terms). Certainly it would make things easier in the short term, but not better in the long term, as we peasants/little people would continue be dependant on some kind of Big Money philanthropic oligarchy, and besides the fact that that’s never going to happen (a Big Money sponsor I mean), if it did it would only be a matter of time before our (((friends))) stepped in to play god.

    I’ve thought about this seven ways from Sunday, and no matter how I come at it, there’s no getting away from the fact that, as long as we maintain any kind of dependance on money – a man made interloper no matter how “natural” or “inevitable” its existance has come to seem – we will remain at the mercy of the Money Power, which can swing between belevonace and malignance, but will always assume god-like control over our lives, and which will always come to be a malevolent power under the control of psychopaths.

    The \$ystem upon which human relations has evolved for millenia IS being “reset” regardless of what any of us do or say, and the Money Power will be used to enslave every man, woman and child who accepts (including by force) the Mark of the Beast.

    What I’m proposing/suggesting, is a means by which those with the foresight to see what’s coming may escape that enslavement by starting now to develope the economic means of survival outside of the “economy-stupid”, by reducing, by degrees, their/our dependancy on money to put food on the table, etc. And should we take such a path in significant numbers, then by the time the forces of mamon come to round us up, we may have enough political force of our own to resist and enough physical force to defend ourselves should the need arrise.

    In the meantime, as the logic of our efforts becomes more and more apparent, so even those would-be forces of mamon may cross over and join the forces of freedom. After ald, the too have families to feed and an inate desire for freedom.

    Without money to fall back on, cooperation and mutual support become essential as means for our survival, as does our working in harmony with the natural envinonment. – This inevitably puts God back at the centre of our lives as natural order reestablishes our relating with the natural world and with one another. – I realise I’ve probably lost you there, as my words may seem outlandish to someone as pragmatic and practical as yourself. But just focusing on the practicle aspects of my sugdestions – putting food on the table, keeping clothes on our backs, keeping roofs over our heads, whilst starving the Beast, showing our “normie” brothers and sisters another way to live AND whilst avoiding enslavement to the “reset economy-stupid” inperpituity, seems a sensible way foreward to me.

    I understand why folks like Mefobills advocate for an alternative monitary/economic system which would operate under the existing paradigm, though possibly (and likely temporarily) with stronger “checks and balances” to keep it honest. But I would caution against even the introduction of local currencies, LETS (local exchange trading schemes), or any credit/debt based money. Because when power is centred in money, then the most unscrupulous amongst us would inevitably seek to take more “power” than they ought to have, and the shit-show we currently face would eventually reemerge one way or another.

    By removing money as the means by which our existencial needs are met, we remove the corrupting influence of Momon and its worshipers.

    To replace the Money Power with cooperative efforts in food production, housing, textiles, education, etc, etc, etc… – from the existential to the creative and life-affirming arts, is to value every life and to bring joy to the soul of Man.

    Of course, given the political and economic(stupid) obsticals we face, this is a challenging proposition – and in some places (my homeland, Albion, for example) not even possible in the current political climte). But as our backs get pressed tighter against the wall, I thing it may look more and more like our best option.

    Please do forgive and overlook my tendancy to certitude. I do see these extraordinary times as an oportunity to evolve spiritually, to move away from man-made gods and power structures, and obviously, I’ve been preparing for our current “interesting times” for most of my adult life, and living more and more in acordance with my own vission for over a decade. I guess (no pun intended) my path has led me to certain internal certainties. (Sorry!) I don’t dismiss that others may see things difserently and may have ideas and vission quite different from my own, which may be better, clearer, righter or complimentary to my own. Despite my apparent certitude I do keep an open mind.

    Thank you once again for helping me to focus and (I hope) clarify my suggestions.

    With love,
    Kali.

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    , @peterAUS
  38. Kali says:
    @antibeast

    Good analysis, antibeast. Thanks.

    It just leaves two questions hanging: 1. Why is the EU gonig along with the US’s plans to destroy it? and 2. Why is Russia apparently weakening regarding its so-called “red-lines” and NATO expansion?

    I suspect there is some kind of ((international/supernational)) force lurking within both, manipulating the game, whilst the ((media)) pretends all is kosher and rational.

    Fond regards,
    Kali.

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  39. The greatest danger for Russia is in the small puppets with leaders who for money are capable of anything seeking to ensure their future in some democratic country where the cost of living is high.
    And some watch with envy as some Ukrainian Nazis become billionaires by letting their people get killed.

  40. antibeast says:
    @Kali

    It just leaves two questions hanging: 1. Why is the EU going along with the US’s plans to destroy it? and 2. Why is Russia apparently weakening regarding its so-called “red-lines” and NATO expansion?

    The USA is baiting Russia with the prospect of NATO expansion in Europe. That explains why the Russians are not keen on swallowing the bait while conducting their SMO in Ukraine slowly but surely.

    The USA is gaslighting the Europeans with the threat of the Russian Bear while destroying the EU economy. The next step is for the USA to destroy the EU politically. Watch out for the US-instigated rise of far right anti-EU white ethno-nationalist movements opposed to the massive influx of Ukrainian refugees as well as African migrants over the next few years.

  41. Kali says:
    @Kali

    I forgot to mention a principle I picked up back in the days when I still believed the global warming scam and was a member of “transition towns”. – They called it “rhisome”, the idea being that grass roots initiatives spread in a similar way to plants which send roots out underground to produce new plants.

    Another way to look at it would be “contagion”. – So much of human experience is spread this way: from sharing a smile, to laughter, to discontent and anger, to joy… What we encounter we tend to pick up and pass on.

    Love ,
    Kali.

  42. peterAUS says:
    @Kali

    Russia, too, is controlled oposition, playing its part in the destruction of nations, of sovereignty and of personal freedom, such as it is, for “we the peasants”.

    Yep.

    I appreqiate the point you’re making when you suggest that if just one member of the top 1-10% was to get behind the kind of project which I espouse – (which reflects the way we live our lives here, alongside those likeminded friends and neighbours we’ve been blessed with; though not by any formalised arangement)- it would make all the difference.

    Yep.

    But I would argue that such a difference would be short lived (in human evolutionary terms). Certainly it would make things easier in the short term, but not better in the long term, as we peasants/little people would continue be dependant on some kind of Big Money philanthropic oligarchy, and besides the fact that that’s never going to happen (a Big Money sponsor I mean), if it did it would only be a matter of time before our (((friends))) stepped in to play god.

    Well…..I could visualize a scenario or two where it could work.

    [MORE]

    I’ve thought about this seven ways from Sunday, and no matter how I come at it, there’s no getting away from the fact that, as long as we maintain any kind of dependance on money – a man made interloper no matter how “natural” or “inevitable” its existance has come to seem – we will remain at the mercy of the Money Power, which can swing between belevonace and malignance, but will always assume god-like control over our lives, and which will always come to be a malevolent power under the control of psychopaths.

    I see money as a tool. Any tool. Any tool can be used and misused. Any.
    We could, easily, get, now into, as constantly seen online, this site included, lengthy…ahm…debates about the nature of money etc. Let’s skip it. Let’s assume we do have that tool available.
    The core problem, as you’ve hinted to above IS, always has been and probably will be, the nature of power and WHO controls it. The nature of man? Cain and Abel? Who controls the controllers? Who controls the controllers who control…etc ad nauseam.
    Power corrupts etc.
    That question hasn’t been answered, so far . Can it be answered I don’t know. What I do know is: somebody will have power. I’d prefer that somebody I agree with. Simple as that.

    The \$ystem upon which human relations has evolved for millenia IS being “reset” regardless of what any of us do or say, and the Money Power will be used to enslave every man, woman and child who accepts (including by force) the Mark of the Beast.

    Yep.

    What I’m proposing/suggesting, is a means by which those with the foresight to see what’s coming may escape that enslavement by starting now to develope the economic means of survival outside of the “economy-stupid”, by reducing, by degrees, their/our dependancy on money to put food on the table, etc. And should we take such a path in significant numbers, then by the time the forces of mamon come to round us up, we may have enough political force of our own to resist and enough physical force to defend ourselves should the need arrise.

    Agree, up to a POINT. We’ve had this discussion before. THAT’s my point. We’ll probably have it again. And again. That’s my area of expertise: force (or so I say). I know how it works. And how it does not.
    For the sake of conversation I’ll outline it, briefly:

    we may have enough political force of our own to resist and enough physical force to defend ourselves should the need arrise.

    HOW? PRACTICALITY. That’s my point.
    You will not have enough political force without proper organization of these people.
    Organization means hierarchy, leaders and followers, discipline.
    And, you definitely will not have enough physical force (my area of expertise) to do anything but be squashed as a bug if you don’t have proper organization. Keyword: ORGANIZATION. A commanding officer, staff, tight top-down staffing of personnel down to fireteam level, hard DISCIPLINE, etc.
    Either way you look at practicalities of all this you get back to that point: power. Power corrupts. Who controls the people in power? How? Etc.
    Mosca, Pareto, Burham etc. wrote exactly about that. Clarified a lot of delusions that still exist on the “alternative”.

    Without money to fall back on, cooperation and mutual support become essential as means for our survival, as does our working in harmony with the natural envinonment. – This inevitably puts God back at the centre of our lives as natural order reestablishes our relating with the natural world and with one another. – I realise I’ve probably lost you there, as my words may seem outlandish to someone as pragmatic and practical as yourself.

    Correct.

    But just focusing on the practicle aspects of my sugdestions – putting food on the table, keeping clothes on our backs, keeping roofs over our heads, whilst starving the Beast, showing our “normie” brothers and sisters another way to live AND whilst avoiding enslavement to the “reset economy-stupid” inperpituity, seems a sensible way foreward to me.

    Doubt it.
    More likely your effort fails, for a couple of reasons and you, actually, reinforce the powerlessness of a common person.

    I understand why folks like Mefobills advocate for an alternative monitary/economic system which would operate under the existing paradigm, though possibly (and likely temporarily) with stronger “checks and balances” to keep it honest. But I would caution against even the introduction of local currencies, LETS (local exchange trading schemes), or any credit/debt based money. Because when power is centred in money, then the most unscrupulous amongst us would inevitably seek to take more “power” than they ought to have, and the shit-show we currently face would eventually reemerge one way or another.

    I agree with him on that matter. The nature of money. Again, sooner or later you shall face that “power” thing.

    By removing money as the means by which our existencial needs are met, we remove the corrupting influence of Momon and its worshipers.
    To replace the Money Power with cooperative efforts in food production, housing, textiles, education, etc, etc, etc… – from the existential to the creative and life-affirming arts, is to value every life and to bring joy to the soul of Man.

    That’s is where we fundamentally, disagree. Cooperative. Definitely.
    I do not believe in any cooperative effort on large scale on anything. Haven’t seen it working in economy. Maybe you can point me to some examples through the history.
    Haven’t seen it working in, of all places, in Information Technology. And that area would be probably the best. Linux? Desktops are mess; server is controlled, by iron hand, by Linus himself.
    In “force” related matters, it has never worked. Never. IMHO, can’t work and will never work. Any cooperative effort will be squashed, as a bug, by a properly organized, top-down effort. Always.

    Please do forgive and overlook my tendancy to certitude. I do see these extraordinary times as an oportunity to evolve spiritually, to move away from man-made gods and power structures, and obviously, I’ve been preparing for our current “interesting times” for most of my adult life, and living more and more in acordance with my own vission for over a decade. I guess (no pun intended) my path has led me to certain internal certainties. (Sorry!) I don’t dismiss that others may see things difserently and may have ideas and vission quite different from my own, which may be better, clearer, righter or complimentary to my own. Despite my apparent certitude I do keep an open mind.
    Thank you once again for helping me to focus and (I hope) clarify my suggestions.

    We all do what we believe is correct. Free will and such.
    I, personally, will never join such and effort. I’ll see it as, effectively, getting “target population” into easily defined paradigm, ripe for squashing at will.

    Here is a scenario you could think about:
    You and a couple of your good friends start with that cooperative effort. Works well.
    As soon as you expand it over, say….100, it will get into difficulties if not properly managed. 1000? 10 000? Can’t work.
    Sooner or later an organization of sort will start emerging. I’d say…around 20. Natural leaders will say the most; natural followers will agree. That process will get sharper and sharper as the numbers grow.
    Jews tried that, I think, with kibbutzes. Didn’t work, of course.

    You came up with an idea. TEST that idea by visualizing its working. Most people can’t do it. That’s fine. Those are non-leadership material; followers. Good NCOs, if you will.
    Personally, I abort such things if I either can’t visualize it, or, more likely it, see its flaws after visualizing certain scenarios. And I never follow a person who can’t do the same. I call them “non-officer” material. Again, good troopers and NCOs. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone has a place in an organized effort.
    Personally, I know my limitations. I’ve seen some flag officers (or so I say…) I could only work for with keeping my mouth shut; incredible intellectual capabilities, iron self-discipline, extraordinary energy.
    Same thing in the civilian life. I’ve seen some CEOs of the same type. Extraordinary individuals.

    I’ll reiterate: we, peasants, need such people on our side, PLUS, at least initially, a support from one of those billionaires.
    I haven’t, so far, seen anyone on the alternative of the former; same of the later, of course.

    So, don’t worry. You do on your micro level your stuff and keep a low profile. Minimize a coming damage. Wait for something to happen; some of those two types to come into existence. They, usually, come together.

    We’ll see.

    As for the next comment, as:

    They called it “rhisome”, the idea being that grass roots initiatives spread in a similar way to plants which send roots out underground to produce new plants.

    Another way to look at it would be “contagion”. – So much of human experience is spread this way: from sharing a smile, to laughter, to discontent and anger, to joy… What we encounter we tend to pick up and pass on.

    I know where you are coming from. Sorel’s General Strike thing.
    Disagree, of course.
    The idea will spread..and get nowhere until, again, getting well organized into effective effort. It can, actually, get channeled by TPTBs and dealt with at will.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  43. peterAUS says:
    @peterAUS

    Here it is:
    This site, the owner and authors, in that order, aren’t interested in any practical effort to positive change. Let’s leave it there.

    Most of the commentators are elderly folk looking for online support/infotainment.

    Most of the rest are working on their fixations, ego trips, plus bots here and there trying to steer/influence the site as per their assignments.

    A tiny minority, left from the above, is trying to learn something.

    The above leaves a miniscule number of people who are, actually, interested in some practical effort.

    Now….if you managed to put all those interested (probably half a dozen) in one space and tried to get some quality output, what’s the chance of that? Zero, IMHO. Not enough competence/expertise there. Simply does not work that way.

    That’s the…ahm…beauty of online forums. By design, obviously.

    Here is how I recognize an effort could be effective:
    A person smarter than me approaches and asks to join some effort. Fine. A couple of questions, first:
    WHO are the members of the group? WHO is chairing the group? WHO is providing a support for the group?
    Then you get in the first meet. Red flag: no meeting agenda at the start. Keep your mouth shut until asked to speak. Abort: no proper action plan at the end. Proper: what, when, by whom.

    Simple.

    Where I live has worked as a charm. Never, so far, got into any trouble with the System. Plenty have, and still going hard.

    These times are perfect for all sorts: sociopaths, psychopaths, cult leaders, all sorts of fanatics….getting naïve souls into deep trouble.

    Make of that what you will.

    • Replies: @Kali
  44. @antibeast

    Correct – “Investment Deal”. Pretty much the rest of the EU would have gotten a similar deal to what Germany got with China where many German companies were now allowed to wholly own new investment (BASF- Allianz – BMW are examples who already took advantage). But yeah the EU for some reason seems willing to sacrifice itself at the US altar to go against Russia and China. Not sure what the EU wants to even be. Most associations such as ASEAN tend to focus on economics – but the EU seeks to change even local laws and foreign policies.
    But sometimes there are cracks. Airbus just received an order for 292 planes from China – at the expense of Boeing. Seems Macron wanted to pay back for the deal the US and Australia snaked them on over the submarines.

    • Thanks: Kali
  45. Kali says:
    @peterAUS

    Once again, Peter, your feedback is much appreciated and very welcome.

    I will pause over these last two comments and bare what you say in mind as my lifes adventures continue.

    I am in disagreement with you over the money thing (the atom bomb is also a tool), but what you say regarding organisation and leadership is something I need to spend time with.

    In the meantime, I’m off to read some Sam Francis.

    Thank you, sincerely, for taking the time to share your thoughts and observations with me.

    With love,
    Kali.

  46. Kali says:
    @peterAUS

    I’ve been reading Fancis. You’re quite right about him. Yes, “liberating” is an apropriate description. – Istill have a way to go with my reading, but even the insights on Mass and Scale (obviuse now! ! Like a fish recognising the water it swims in) are providing a great deal of clarity.

    At a local river-beach yesterday, I wondered what it would take to first reach the mass of ordinary people glued to their phones, swigging down cokes ond beers, listening to “music”… first reach them, then persuade them that a new direction is possible (most that I speak to already desire change), and then to persuade them to put their energy, talents and focus into achieving it for themselves… Quite the challenge!

    Still reading.

    Thank you!

    Much love,
    Kail.

    PS. I like the quiet threads for deeper sharing, growing and learning. But I’m off now to a noisy thread, probably to slap down a trollish comment or two. Hee hee. 😉

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