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Hybrid War 2.0 on China, a bipartisan U.S. operation, is already reaching fever pitch. Its 24/7 full spectrum infowar arm blames China for everything coronavirus-related – doubling as a diversionist tactic against any informed criticism of woeful American unpreparedness.

Hysteria predictably reigns. And this is just the beginning.

A deluge of lawsuits is imminent – such as the one in the Southern District of Florida entered by Berman Law Group (linked to the Democrats) and Lucas-Compton (linked to the Republicans). In a nutshell: China has to shell out tons of cash. To the tune of at least $1.2 trillion, which happens to be – by surrealist irony – the amount of U.S. Treasury bills held by Beijing, all the way to $20 trillion, claimed by a lawsuit in Texas.

The prosecution’s case, as Scott Ritter memorably reminded us, is straight out of Monty Python. It works exactly like this:

“If she weighs the same as a duck…

…she’s made of wood!”

“And therefore…”

“A witch!!!!!”

In Hybrid War 2.0 terms, the current CIA-style narrative translates as evil China never telling us, the civilized West, there was a terrible new virus around. If they did, we would have had time to prepare.

And yet they lied and cheated – by the way, trademark CIA traits, according to Mike “We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” Pompeo himself. And they hid everything. And they censored the truth. So they wanted to infect us all. Now they have to pay for all the economic and financial damage we are suffering, and for all our dead people. It’s China’s fault.

All this sound and fury forces us to refocus back to late 2019 to check out what U.S. intel really knew then about what would later be identified as Sars-Cov-2.

“No such product exists”

The gold standard remains the ABC News report according to which intel collected in November 2019 by the National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI), a subsidiary of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), was already warning about a new virulent contagion getting out of hand in Wuhan, based on “detailed analysis of intercepted communications and satellite imagery”.

An unnamed source told ABC, “analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event”, adding the intel was “briefed multiple times” to the DIA, the Pentagon’s Joint Chiefs of Staff, and even the White House.

No wonder the Pentagon was forced to issue the proverbial denial – in Pentagonese, via one Col. R. Shane Day, the director of the DIA’s NCMI: “In the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists.”

Well, if such “product” existed, Pentagon head and former Raytheon lobbyist Mark Esper would be very much in the loop. He was duly questioned about it by ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.

Question: “Did the Pentagon receive an intelligence assessment on COVID in China last November from the National Center for Medical Intelligence of DIA?”

Esper: “Oh, I can’t recall, George,” (…) “But, we have many people who watch this closely.”

Question: “This assessment was done in November, and it was briefed to the NSC in early December to assess the impact on military readiness, which, of course, would make it important to you, and the possible spread in the United States. So, you would have known if there was a brief to the National Security Council in December, wouldn’t you?”

Esper: “Yes (…) “I’m not aware of that.”

So “no such product exists” then? Is it a fake? Is it a Deep State/CIA concoction to trap Trump? Or are the usual suspects lying, trademark CIA style?

Let’s review some essential background. On November 12, a married couple from Inner Mongolia was admitted to a Beijing hospital, seeking treatment for pneumonic plague.

The Chinese CDC, on Weibo – the Chinese Twitter – told public opinion that the chances of this being a new plague were “extremely low.” The couple was quarantined.

Four days later, a third case of pneumonic plague was identified: a man also from Inner Mongolia, not related to the couple. Twenty-eight people who were in close contact with the man were quarantined. None had plague symptoms. Pneumonic plague has symptoms of respiratory failure similar to pneumonia.

Even though the CDC repeated, “there is no need to worry about the risk of infection”, of course there was plenty of skepticism. The CDC may have publicly confirmed on November 12 these cases of pneumonic plague. But then Li Jifeng, a doctor at Chaoyang Hospital where the trio from Inner Mongolia was receiving treatment, published, privately, on WeChat, that they were first transported to Beijing actually on November 3.

The key point of Li Jinfeng’s post – later removed by censors – was when she wrote, “I am very familiar with diagnosing and treating the majority of respiratory diseases (…) But this time, I kept on looking but could not figure out what pathogen caused the pneumonia. I only thought it was a rare condition and did not get much information other than the patients’ history.”

Even if that was the case, the key point is that the three Inner Mongolian cases seem to have been caused by a detectable bacteria. Covid-19 is caused by the Sars-Cov-2 virus, not a bacteria. The first Sars-Covid-2 case was only detected in Wuhan in mid to late December. And it was only last month that Chinese scientists were able to positively trace back the first real case of Sars-Cov-2 to November 17 – a few days after the Inner Mongolian trio.

Knowing exactly where to look

ORDER IT NOW

It’s out of the question that U.S. intel, in this case the NCMI, was unaware of these developments in China, considering CIA spying and the fact these discussions were in the open on Weibo and WeChat. So if the NCMI “product” is not a fake and really exists, it only found evidence, still in November, of some vague instances of pneumonic plague.

Thus the warning – to the DIA, the Pentagon, the National Security Council, and even the White House – was about that. It could not possibly have been about coronavirus.

The burning question is inevitable: how could the NCMI possibly know all about a viral pandemic, still in November, when Chinese doctors positively identified the first cases of a new type of pneumonia only on December 26?

Add to it the intriguing question of why the NCMI was so interested in this particular flu season in China in the first place – from plague cases treated in Beijing to the first signs of a “mysterious pneumonia outbreak” in Wuhan.

There may have been subtle hints of slightly increased activity at clinics in Wuhan in late November and early December. But at the time nobody – Chinese doctors, the government, not to mention U.S. intel – could have possibly known what was really happening.

China could not be “covering up” what was only identified as a new disease on December 30, duly communicated to the WHO. Then, on January 3, the head of the American CDC, Robert Redfield, called the top Chinese CDC official. Chinese doctors sequenced the virus. And only on January 8 it was determined this was Sars-Cov-2 – which provokes Covid-19.

This chain of events reopens, once again, a mighty Pandora’s box. We have the quite timely Event 201; the cozy relationship between the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the WHO, as well as the Word Economic Forum and the Johns Hopkins galaxy in Baltimore, including the Bloomberg School of Public Health; the ID2020 digital ID/vaccine combo; Dark Winter – which simulated a smallpox bio-attack on the U.S., before the 2001 anthrax attack being blamed on Iraq; U.S. Senators dumping stocks after a CDC briefing; more than 1,300 CEOs abandoning their cushy perches in 2019, “forecasting” total market collapse; the Fed pouring helicopter money already in September 2019 – as part of QE4.

And then, validating the ABC News report, Israel steps in. Israeli intel confirms U.S. intel did in fact warn them in November about a potentially catastrophic pandemic in Wuhan (once again: how could they possibly know that on the second week of November, so early in the game?) And NATO allies were warned – in November – as well.

The bottom line is explosive: the Trump administration as well as the CDC had an advance warning of no less than four months – from November to March – to be properly prepared for Covid-19 hitting the U.S. And they did nothing. The whole “China is a witch!” case is debunked.

Moreover, the Israeli disclosure supports what’s nothing less than extraordinary: U.S. intel already knew about Sars-Cov-2 roughly one month before the first confirmed cases detected by doctors in a Wuhan hospital. Talk about divine intervention.

That could only have happened if U.S. intel knew, for sure, about a previous chain of events that would necessarily lead to the “mysterious outbreak” in Wuhan. And not only that: they knew exactly where to look. Not in Inner Mongolia, not in Beijing, not in Guangdong province.

It’s never enough to repeat the question in full: how could U.S. intel have known about a contagion one month before Chinese doctors detected an unknown virus?

Mike “We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” Pompeo may have given away the game when he said, on the record, that Covid-19 was a “live exercise”. Adding to the ABC News and Israeli reports, the only possible, logical conclusion is that the Pentagon – and the CIA – knew ahead of time a pandemic would be inevitable.

That’s the smokin’ gun. And now the full weight of the United States government is covering all bases by proactively, and retroactively, blaming China.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The bottom line is explosive: the Trump administration as well as the CDC had an advance warning of no less than four months – from November to March – to be properly prepared for Covid-19 hitting the U.S.

    This all based on reports from television news, based on purported assertions by unnamed “sources” referring to unnamed governmental officials, with no follow-up substantiation – and even extraordinarily denied officially.

    Yet since it would support an intended sensational narrative, it is cherry-picked and elevated as fact, and then used as a premise for a dubious conclusion that contradicts common sense. It is a prima facie case of shoddy journalism.

  2. I fully agree with all of the above speculative assertions in the author’s thesis, and add that Trump himself is responsible for the botched ‘live exercise’ in so far as he vetoed legislation that prevented funding to USA BSL-4 Fort Detrick bioterrorism laboratory research in 2017 prior to this now evidenced man made bioweapon built & manufactured at Fort Detrick prior to release via CIA Operative enlisted in the Military Games for USA in situ Wuhan Games region near the now infamous ‘wet market’.

    USA Medical SIGINT has known about this classified CIA Psyop for at minimum of a year on the conservative side. All the FIVE Eyes plus One Intelligence community was likely apprised of the live event at least one year before hand so we can be sure that the world population of Great Unwashed masses is currently being played by their respective sovereign states given that no admission of guilt or liability has been forthcoming to date.

    Blaming China for the USA CIA release of this CIA/USArmy manufactured deadly pathogen is anathema to any self-respecting thinker. The spooks at the CIA under Bloody Gina Haspel are the most dimwitted ignorant bunch of bureaucratic imbeciles this world could possibly come up with historically.

    Never in all my years did I ever think that American scientists would be this stupid to intentionally release a gain-of-function dual use bioweaponized nCorona virus that is engineered to destroy whole cohorts of elderly people all at one time in successive waves of pathogenic assault on every population of the world, and beyond if this enters space.

    Dumb arse Central Ineptitude Agency strikes again, eh.

    RW

    • Agree: Half Back, acementhead
  3. DIA has some very expert, hands-on NBC people who know exactly what the USG has and has not got. Guys I know. DIA also has form for going through channels to report universal jurisdiction CIA crimes – they outed TIMBER SYCAMORE aggression too. This is not bureaucratic turf war but a pragmatic recognition that newly-codified crimes against peace apply if the US loses one too many wars. The UCMJ is still in effect. Col. Day’s hammy denial leaves his ass covered.

    Israel was naturally motivated to blow the whistle too, as they were enlisted as cutouts in spreading the virus.

    With COVID -19 germ warfare manifest and shaping up to be the gravest crime in history, foreign and domestic entities have elected to rat out CIA. Their wet dream of unattributable war will finish off the USA. Just what the doctor ordered!

  4. jjc says:

    I would wager that the November intelligence document was in fact limited to discussion of the folks from Inner Mongolia, and rather misinterpreted by the anonymous source in a controlled leak to the ABC reporter. The promotion of half-true/half false inside info from anonymous sources is a hallmark of the Russiagate fraud. An overriding fact, in this matter, is that ABC was journalistically irresponsible in running the story in the first place.

    • Agree: UK
  5. If history continues on the trajectory that it was on before the coronavirus, the Chinese are going to rule the world within a decade or two. There’s no question about that. And that is absolutely unacceptable to the American decision-makers. They had to find some way to bust up the globalized economy and in particular to try to strike at China. This appears to be what they’ve done.

    Now, they’re saying that they’re going to steal China’s investments in US treasuries to the tune of trillions and trillions of dollars as supposed compensation for the virus.

    So the US propaganda push among the extreme anti-China crowd here in the United States is to blame China. The push is to use this as an excuse to destroy China’s economic leverage by stealing Chinese investments in US treasuries and to attempt to de-globalize the world.

    All of this points straight at the usual suspects. The same people who did 9/11 in order to launch their war on Islamic civilization as the beginning of the clash of civilizations, now realize that the civilization that is the most threatening to their continued hegemony in the world is Chinese civilization.

    Of course, any fool can see that China had no motive to blow the economy up – China was on top of the world as the world’s manufacturer. This role had been carefully planned for decades as the cornerstone of turbo-charging the advancement of human development in China. It’s the failing, flailing, American Empire that has the motive.

  6. Nagging coincidence, no? … such only exist in Victorian novels, …while FUBAR , on the other hand, exists where ever the the USM gets involved.

  7. @Been_there_done_that

    “This all based on reports from television news, based on purported assertions by unnamed “sources” referring to unnamed governmental officials, with no follow-up substantiation – and even extraordinarily denied officially.”

    So you don’t find it remotely interesting that a foreign news service claims that a foreign intelligence agency was warned of this virus 4 months ago? That seems worth a tiny bit of attention, given that no retraction appears to have been issued and the Israeli government does not appear to have protested or disclaimed the alleged statements.

    It might not be ‘proof’ in some strong sense, but it is a very interesting claim.

    If true (if the USA was tracking the progress of this virus) then Escobar is on solid ground: the government either blew it, or there was some ulterior motive here.

    • Agree: Tor597
  8. @obwandiyag

    Haven’t you been banned yet?

    “The same people who did 9/11 in order to launch their war on Islamic civilization as the beginning of the clash of civilizations”

    Yes, the ‘beginning’ of the clash of civilizations, something that has never ever happened before in Islamic history.

    I suppose you think that the invasion of Visigothic Spain and the fall of Byzantium were fiction.

  9. Realist says:

    So you don’t find it remotely interesting that a foreign news service claims that a foreign intelligence agency was warned of this virus 4 months ago?

    No, Been_there_done_that does not find it interesting…it goes against the US propaganda narrative.

    God forbid someone go against the US narrative.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  10. Seraphim says:
    @obwandiyag

    And they had the means and opportunity as well. A criminal investigator would have no hesitation to designate the culprit.

  11. anon[354] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Nah, that’s just handwaving. The sources are directly from Trump’s administration and published in a newspaper with a verified track record of publishing leaks from this White House. It’s sad that we live in a world that treats government denials of an obvious truth as fact. Even if you don’t believe this report, there are plenty more: Trump asked Fauci if we could just let Corona “wash over us”; he repeatedly compared the virus to the flu on Twitter; he called the virus threat a hoax at a rally, etc. It’s clear this man did not take this seriously even as other countries were taking mitigation steps. That’s really beyond dispute. His behavior at the very least makes this plausible. This is something Trump would do.

  12. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

    Not very clear from this description . Were those cases identified in Inner Mongolia in No 3 or 12 caused by bacteria or were they of Corina- 19 in origin? Do they know ?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  13. MarkinLA says:

    Let me get this straight, the US government unleashed a major pandemic on the world which Trump knew about including its potential lethality and damage it could do to the world economy but chose to let it sweep over the US without any early preparation or proven treatment in place to counter the effect for Americans.

    Boy that Trump sure is smart in his ability to cover his tracks.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @showmethereal
  14. @jbwilson24

    So you don’t find it remotely interesting that a foreign news service claims that a foreign intelligence agency was warned of this virus 4 months ago?

    Whatever comes out from that “foreign news service” is generally so untrustworthy and motivated by ulterior considerations that you did not even dare to mention it by name: Israeli Television. It would have been interesting and newsworthy if a particular official had appeared on camera and said into the microphone: “Yeah, I distinctly recall, they warned us back then already.”

    The fact that no defensive preparations were developed in Israel and Europe, which have both been adversely impacted, tends to make the story appear to have been a fabrication. Recall that the US is approaching elections, so news organizations can be expected to release unsubstantiated reports like this, which make Trump appear to be even worse than is already the case.

    Therefore, the fact that Escobar relied on it so strongly, as if though it had been verified as true, in order to support his argument, was simply unprofessional.

  15. Pft says:

    Event 201 in October included Chinese CDC Director George GAO. US and Chinese scientists in Wuhan have collaborated on coronavirus gain of function studies for over a decade with many funded by US agencies.

    You know, maybe it was a joint venture between US and China. Everyone knew but us little people.

    This fake conflict between China and US is intended to hide this and discourage anyone from entertaining the idea of a partnership , the goal being full spectrum dominance overwe the people. Only when freedom and democracy is extinguished and we are like China will democracy movements be extinguished. So thats Chinas motivation. The Wests motivation is a great desire for an authoritarian technocratic regime like Chinas. A match made in heaven.

    • Agree: Old and Grumpy
  16. Erebus says:

    Collections of coincidences regarding how COVID started are both rampant and unconvincing. That’s usually because they ignore/remove salient context which can give otherwise mundane events an aura they didn’t have when they happened.

    I think that ABC’s and the Times of Israel’s reports are both accurate, that the Pentagon’s narrow denial confirms it, and that there’s a perfectly plausible and quite ordinary explanation how US intelligence in Wuhan in mid-Nov could’ve known of an epidemic threat before Wuhan’s doctors would…

    The USM sent a pretty large team, totalling about 300 to Wuhan’s Military Games taking place Oct 19-27. Incidentally, some/most/all of the team stayed at the Oriental Hotel which is very close to now demolished Huannan Mkt. Perhaps that’s how the now discredited “wet market” meme got started.

    The intelligence agencies, including the National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) would have been an important component of the USM team’s security arrangements at the Games.

    Five members of the US contingent reportedly got ill, and at least 1 required hospitalization. Later, 42 of the Oriental Hotel’s employees came down with COVID, but the 5 were flown out on a USAF plane immediately on their release from hospital. Chinese media reported that they had contracted “malaria”.

    The team’s medical staff would be very aware of the illnesses that befell some of the team, and as some required hospitalization would have been involved in collecting the associated medical details, treatments, tracing how and where they fell ill, and assessing the medical threat to the rest of the team. That’s their job.

    I’ll speculate for a bit here…
    Consider the possibility that the USM medical staff in Wuhan got shop talk from the hospital’s staff that in effect said “very unusual pneumonia, never seen anything like it… The usual drugs don’t work…”. That would have triggered tests to be done on the 5 on their return. It also would have been reported back to the NCMI who’s responsibility it would be to assess the threat to the USM’s personnel in the region.

    Now consider the possibility that in early Nov the 5’s tests came back with the same result that landed on (Emergency Dept Head, Wuhan Central Hosp.) Ai Fen’s desk on Dec 31, and that triggered January’s stream of events. The lab test confirmed “SARS Coronavirus”. She’d been seeing similar patients for more than a month, and asked for that test on a hunch. The bell finally rang for Wuhan, but if those 5 tests were similar that bell would have rung for the NCMI 6 weeks earlier.

    If so, the NCMI would have sent their field agents back into Wuhan’s hospitals to see if similar cases had shown up since. The field agents would have reported that indeed they found a few, and so the NCMI would have known that an epidemic was brewing. They had the data.

    That’s the NCMI’s job. Their field work and analysis indicated a high level threat developing around Wuhan by mid Nov. They duly reported their findings to Washington who passed it on to the IDF and NATO. The NCMI doubtless escalated the importance of the file, and kept the field agents on the case thru Nov and Dec. They updated Washington as the epidemic developed through Dec.

    This is pivotal to current developments. Namely, if the reports are true then Washington failed to meet its legal obligation to pass critical public health information of international importance onwards to the WHO or to China and they take the wind out of the sails of the lawsuits and threats being tossed around.

    In fact, one wonders both how these reports came to be published and also who’ll be suing who.

    Please note that the above speaks only to how Washington could’ve known that Wuhan had a problem in mid-Nov, and says nothing about whether SARS-2 was engineered in a lab or by a bat, and even less about whether it was accidentally or intentionally released by a lab (or a bat).

    Only science can answer whether there’s a devil in the the virus’ genetic details, and the above ain’t science.

    I’ll concede, however that it speaks to Washington’s palpable schadenfreude during Feb & Mar.

  17. Yes. Excellent article on all counts. Thisis perhaps the smoking gun we needed, but there is very much more. This is only one such event in a long list of similarly curious and unexplained non-natural phenomena.

    In the months prior to COVID-US (and again during the epidemic), China was hit with 4 unexplained viral outbreaks in succession, animal viruses that destroyed much of the nation’s livestock and poultry, causing much economic damage and necessitating the purchase of large volumes of US agricultural products. The swine flu that devastated China’s livestock in 2019 was not an act of god or nature but was done by unknown persons flying small drones over the country’s pig farms and infecting thousands of locations, resulting in the culling of several million pigs – the same as the US did to Cuba some years back (without the drones).

    There have been many other such instances, all of which have gone unexamined and unquestioned as to cause and origin. Perhaps time to review all of those. The place to start is for all nations to band together and begin an international criminal investigation of this latest event, letting the chips fall where they may.

  18. @Realist

    The first comment anon instantly conjured up a picture in my head of a guy with his head buried in the ground, with his naked ass up high, farting.

    I have been watching too much slap stick comedies this last month. But it fits.

  19. @anon

    You missed the point. The point was how the hell did the CIA knows of a catastrophic pamdemic in Wuhan China 4 to 6 weeks before the Chinese knows about it.

    This all hinges on the report being true or not.

    That should be easily verifiable since so many had access to the report. When they give answers like ” I don’t recall, I am not aware”. That means 99.99% true.

    • Replies: @Meena
  20. Don’t forget that in November/December 2019 timeframe, US government suspended Minimum Required Distributions for IRAs, 401Ks, 457s, etc., until 2022. Just a coincidence!

  21. Hempus says:

    Its obvious that the WHO went rouge not just now but since the “Giftzwerg” poisonous dwarf Dr. Fauci and hes friend Robert Gallo and the big pharma staged the HIV causes AIDS scam. Dr. Fauci then was very sad that Luc Montagnier got the Nobel Prize and not Gallo.

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95442769&t=1587627617345

    Also 1982 was a “mysterious pneumonia outbreak” then called a “mysterious gay dying” first discovered at the “wet markets” (gay sauna, dark rooms) in New York.
    Insider reports mentioned that those “mysterious death’s” might be caused by the serial use of poppers in those N.Y. wet gay sex markets….damaging the immunity system.

    When Luc Montagnier discovered the HIV virus in France …how is it possible that the new virus came to the “wet gay market” in New York from where it then spread out all over the world?

    Also Kary Mullis who got the Nobel Prize for the invention of the PCR (polymerase chain reaction) method, thought that this newly discovered virus is not at all “new” and probably just a marker but not the cause of those “mysterious deaths”

    Kary Mullis is now on Wiki listed as an AIDS denier….guess that must be something like a Holocaust denier?

    The main symptoms after people made a HIV test (when the result was “positive”) was breathlessness and pneumonia.

    With this new testing methods it would be for sure possible to test also one of those 6 millions victims from the holocaust. Is there one corpse found where they could made a covid-19 test?
    And when the test is positive…would they admit that this poor victim died because of a virus?

  22. gotmituns says:

    What Did U.S. Intel Really Know
    ——————————————-
    If our intelligence outfits are anything like when I served in a combat unit, they knew nothing about the virus.

  23. Renoman says:

    so America is lying? Exactly as expected.

  24. Realist says:
    @jbwilson24

    My comment #9 was meant for you.

  25. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:

    Unz site is no longer worth reading. It’s gone down hill. Day after day of wordy Coronavirus conspiracies and mountains of useless information. Nobody has the time to sift fact from fiction contained within these meandering diatribes.

  26. denk says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Thus says the shill who’s been pushing the Wuhan leak meme, dismissed those avalanche of bird flu, swine flu hitting China in 2018/9 as mere coincidences and…..copy ,paste state dept hand out on ‘Chinese imperialism‘ practically verbatim.

    hehehhehe

    • Replies: @Jaylonw
  27. Hempus says:

    Before the Covid-19 “outbreak” there was a pneumonia known as the
    HAP “hospital-acquired pneumonia” and also the
    CAP “community-acquired pneumonia” in nursing homes.

    Even the “ventilator-associated pneumonia” VAP,
    somehow disappeared in the phrase book because now some “experts” and Vaccination Pope Bill gates love to declare martial law to fight the “covid-19 associated pneumonia” COP.

    If you have a little bit time to research where the “NEW” Pneumonia breaked out you find mainly:
    Hospitals (mainly old people with severe health preconditions) (HAP)
    Nursing homes (old people, some with severe health preconditions) (CAP)
    and people who died after a respiratory ventilator treatment (VAP)

    Even Donald Trump was forced to demand carmakers to produce respiratory Ventilators…..to help in the war against Covid-19.
    You would think after three and half years of “witch hunt” Donald Trump should be an expert …but still he has the poisonous dwarf Dr. Fauci as an adviser…this is like fighting the devil with satan.

    • Replies: @Meena
  28. Meena says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    US knew by mid Nov 2019 from
    Spy satellite , internet t , evedropping , and Human intelligence that a potential pandemic was breaking out It informed NATO and Israel . Both and USA itself ignored. These cases arose in Wuhan and were Covid-19.

    If the Inner Mongolia cases of 3 Nov were viral and Covid , then the origin of the virus is uncertain . If they are not , then it’s China problem to find out what caused those illnesses.

    America might deny that it had prior information and didn’t act and did not emphasize to those deceased in UK Italy Iran USA how serious and grave the threat were , But that is par for the course . Through -lines in the US press releases and in bombastic threats have always been denial and blame – nothing new . But Chins is not Iraq or Syria . Only countries that believe US are India and Germany .

  29. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Where can we read only sifted facts?

    You must not like thinking for yourself. Or others doing so.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  30. Meena says:

    Germany should help Iran sue America for preventing access to medicine , masks, PEP and imposing more sanctions at this time when a crisis is raging across the globe and when that crisis itself is not causing any discrimination.
    Remedy itself in that case shall not be discriminatory .
    If Israel can use its Mossad and steal from abroad , then anybody at least should have the opportunity of buying it making those gears and the money should be made available.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  31. @Erebus

    They duly reported their findings to Washington who passed it on to the IDF and NATO.

    Have you bothered to check how many countries you are referring to altogether, which purportedly had been forewarned about a possibly emerging epidemic, ahead of even the local Chinese government?

    Take a look: NATO + Israel = 31

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

    So according to the unsourced report, which so many wishfully presume as a fact, with so many countries allegedly in on the “secret” briefing, not a single country’s representative followed up to monitor developments or even corroborated the briefing, but most importantly, not a single country took any defensive preparations whatsoever in advance.

    This shows the level of credulity that people will descend down to when an obvious news fabrication happens to support their desired narrative. China worshippers here have become severely blinded in light of the epidemic. So many commentators are thus eagerly making themselves irrelevant, including Escobar, which I think is a good thing.

    Peculiarly, one of the European countries that has handled the pandemic the best, according to the statistics, Austria, is not a NATO member and would not have been in on the “secret”.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @denk
    , @antibeast
  32. Meena says:
    @Hempus

    HAP, VAP, and your CAP do not and can not prevent emergence of another Pneumonia of newer causative agents that can spread like fire
    When did HAP VAP CAP overwhelm
    911, and ICU and kill nurses doctor bus drivers police and fire officers and nursing home elderly in the nursing homes?

    When did CAP VAP HAP and regular flu shit ever
    cause this exponential rise in infectivity across the globe from 0 to 800,000 in 45 days in USA?

    When did the illness cause from those agents liver failure , gi bleeding , kidney failure and resistant hypoxemia? When did any of those patients stay on ventilator for 3 weeks?
    When did those illness show such diverse symptoms as by Corona at the beginning phase of the illness ? When did those illness cause such morbidity in the afflicted young ?

    When did those surviving the ICU admission report ongoing morbidities of this extent?
    Trump is a moron , a thug , a liar . He is full of crap who has taken the ‘ deplorable ‘for a ride by throwing some fiery rhetorics .

    • Replies: @Hempus
  33. @Anonymous

    If you cut out watching cartoons you will have enough time to read through the wheat & chaff.

    P.S. Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    RW

  34. Bob Gwen says:

    US propaganda is all over social media. They’re inundating the online forums all over Asia. Travel and cultural sites are being flooded with anti-China posts and comments. I think they’re creating a narrative to pave the political, economic, and military moves they’re about to make.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  35. As I commented yesterday on an article by Israel Shamir:

    The Great Satan is suing China for trillions in damages. How comical is that?

    How about this country first pay reparations to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, Russia, and Venezuela? And that’s just since 9/11.

    OH, King of Mendacity and Hypocrisy, thy name is the USA!

    BTW, another great essay by Mr. Escobar – one of my favorite writers at the Unz Review!

    • Replies: @meena
  36. @Bob Gwen

    Sadly, Tucker Carlson (the only show I watch), has been repeating this bogus claim from the beginning.

  37. meena says:
    @follyofwar

    This culture that was once preserve of the psychos in the administration or broadly in DC has percolated down to common folks . Fish rots from head . Hubris usually follows the smell.

  38. Agent76 says:

    This cuts through all the worldwide propaganda.

    Apr 23, 2020 The State of the Police State – #NewWorldNextWeek

    Welcome to the 405th episode of New World Next Week — the video series from Corbett Report and Media Monarchy that covers some of the most important developments in open source intelligence news.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  39. Hempus says:
    @Meena

    “HAP, VAP, and your CAP do not and can not prevent emergence of another Pneumonia of newer causative agents that can spread like fire
    When did HAP VAP CAP overwhelm”

    Your statement is illogical!
    Why should a pneumonia previously called HAP, CAP and VAP and causes hundred thousands death each year prevent “Covid-19?

    I did not even listet the “dead people” by the HIV caused pneumonia. (HIVAP?)

    Of course if those poor people in nursing homes and old people in hospitals would have been forced to make a HIV test then most of those people with CAP, VAP and HAP pneumonia would have been listed as HIV victims.

    With the HIV caused pneumonia and the SARS COVID-2 caused pneumonia we see here just a false labeling of a desease which was before HAP, CAP and VAP.

    The only thing which is “spread like fire” all over the world are those covid-19 quick tests which do not even “test” if you have already the antibodies against the SARS COVID-2 virus.
    Anyway, big pharma wants to sell vaccines to create those Antibodies which so many people already have.

    • Replies: @meena
  40. Erebus says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    … with so many countries allegedly in on the “secret” briefing, not a single country’s representative followed up to monitor developments or even corroborated the briefing, but most importantly, not a single country took any defensive preparations whatsoever in advance.

    We have no idea who followed what up. As for “corroborating the briefing”, I assume you mean publicly. Why would you expect anyone to do that? I certainly wouldn’t.

    I don’t know what stats you’re looking at, but all of the Central & Eastern European countries are doing as well as Austria, as is Canada. Members of NATO all. Perhaps part of the briefing included an assessment that this was just SARS 2.0, so get some popcorn while the Chinese deal with the mess. Perhaps you’d share why you think you know that “… not a single country took any defensive measures whatsover…”, when the stats suggest that more than half did.

    Interestingly, all the 1949 countries other than possibly Canada screwed the pooch, but the difference between them and those that joined later is stark.

    BTW, it was initially reported on ABCnews’ website about 1 week before it was repeated by Israeli television, and then carried by the Times of Israel. The Israeli reports said that the IDF had received the information. The IDF, afaik hasn’t denied it. None has retracted their report, though ABC updated their’s with the Pentagon’s non-denial denial.

    The crunch point is that you’ll have to explain why any mainstream media, normally little more stenographers for whatever the party line is, would report something so patently contrary to their respective govt’s interests, and why said govts haven’t issued substantial denials.

    I’m sure had they reported that anonymous sources informed them it came out of WIV in a lunch pail, you would have bought the whole thing with super-sized fries because it fits with what you need to hear.

    • Agree: denk, d dan
  41. @obwandiyag

    China is going to rule the world in a decade or so, so you say … oh, really? I just walked by the local high school in the neighborhood where thanks to the mayor poor people can get free food if they’re in a dire situation but only Chinese were lined up.

    The slanty-eyed bastards ain’t going to rule shit except perhaps Africa …

    • Replies: @denk
    , @The Cruncher
  42. Poco says:
    @MarkinLA

    To the chagrin of those who maligned the 4d chess meme, they have discovered that Trump 4d chessed their ass after all I guess.

  43. Poco says:
    @Erebus

    So 31 countries kept quiet except for benificent Israel.

  44. Agent76 says:

    Here is our sign folk’s this is a fake pandemic.

    Apr 10, 2020 Army’s Seattle Field Hospital Closes After 3 Days, Without Treating a Single Patient

    Medical equipment at the CenturyLink Field Event Center is being returned to the Federal Emergency Management Agency for use elsewhere, but the governor cautioned against reading too much into the move.

    https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/04/10/armys-seattle-field-hospital-closes-after-3-days-without-treating-single-patient.html

  45. Poco says:
    @Erebus

    So 31 countries kept quiet except for benificent Israel. And don’t forget ABC, they’re always good truth tellers.

  46. denk says:
    @Really No Shit

    Your ilks are natural born motherfuckers alright.

    Who needs the Jews ?

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  47. denk says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Say who ?

    The empire shill who says…

    All them bird flu/swine flu were natural occurrences in China.

    China is the beneficiary of CV19

    Why would the US initiated a bio attack that impact its own economy….

    This must be a leak from the Wuhan lab,

    Besides, the state dept tells me China’s a gawd damn imperialist.

    hehhehe

  48. 32.Been_there_done_that says:

    “They duly reported their findings to Washington who passed it on to the IDF and NATO.“

    “Have you bothered to check how many countries you are referring to altogether, which purportedly had been forewarned about a possibly emerging epidemic, ahead of even the local Chinese government?”

    The answer to your question is probably “none”.

    NATO commanders, and the soldiers seconded to NATO are instructed in the strongest possible terms that they no longer owe loyalty to their home countries, that they are part of a superior, supra-national force that might conceivably be at war with any of those nations. And the role of a NATO officer or soldier is, if necessary, to assist in the invasion of his own country and to kill his own countrymen. And to be proud it.

    *

    “China worshippers here have become severely blinded in light of the epidemic. So many commentators are thus eagerly making themselves irrelevant . . .”

    It isn’t only China worshippers who are severely blinded and eagerly making themselves irrelevant. Look in the mirror. You have a bad habit of commenting when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @utu
  49. meena says:
    @Hempus

    Your statement is illogical!
    Why should a pneumonia previously called HAP, CAP and VAP and causes hundred thousands death each year prevent “Covid-19?”

    Because this one is not one of them . . This virus is different genetically , morphologically and clinically . Theoretically they can coexist in same patients .

    It is not the mortality but the morbidity and the sped of unravelling that are acute and overwhelming .

    I don’t agree with lockdown but I dont agree with this who wants to observe it What is irksome is the lying thug ’s Trumps denial and then lying about the denial .
    I also believe given the checkered history of US it is US who possibly released it in China either directly or indirectly .

    When 2 patients aged 80 with same clinical and metabolic profiles in a nursing home are observed and are found out one of them has died from an acute infection in less than 30 days after symptoms appeared and other has continued to stay stable with no worsening and no infection – you blame the virus for the death .

  50. @Really No Shit

    Oh man – you think that means that the Chinese were needy? They were probably just grabbing up free resources, as they do.

  51. d dan says:
    @Erebus

    “BTW, it was initially reported on ABCnews’ website about 1 week before it was repeated by Israeli television, and then carried by the Times of Israel. The Israeli reports said that the IDF had received the information. The IDF, afaik hasn’t denied it. None has retracted their report, though ABC updated their’s with the Pentagon’s non-denial denial.”

    And those non-denial and non-denial denial are as revealing as the original report. Somehow “Been_there_done_that” thinks the other way round: that the Israeli official must come forward to openly admit receiving CONFIDENTIAL intelligence from its alliance (US) before he would admit it is credible (One wonders why any official would ever want to do that. And for what purpose?) See his comment #14 above:

    “Whatever comes out from that “foreign news service” is generally so untrustworthy and motivated by ulterior considerations that you did not even dare to mention it by name: Israeli Television. It would have been interesting and newsworthy if a particular official had appeared on camera and said into the microphone: “Yeah, I distinctly recall, they warned us back then already.””

    And of course, whatever the “ulterior considerations “, he dares not or could not mention. “Been_there_done_that”‘s bias to defend the indefensible is blatantly obvious for everyone to see.

  52. antibeast says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Have you bothered to check how many countries you are referring to altogether, which purportedly had been forewarned about a possibly emerging epidemic, ahead of even the local Chinese government?

    Take a look: NATO + Israel = 31

    NATO is not a country but a military subsidiary of the USA.

    So according to the unsourced report, which so many wishfully presume as a fact, with so many countries allegedly in on the “secret” briefing, not a single country’s representative followed up to monitor developments or even corroborated the briefing, but most importantly, not a single country took any defensive preparations whatsoever in advance.

    The USA informed NATO and Israel not those thirty European colonies.

    This shows the level of credulity that people will descend down to when an obvious news fabrication happens to support their desired narrative. China worshippers here have become severely blinded in light of the epidemic. So many commentators are thus eagerly making themselves irrelevant, including Escobar, which I think is a good thing.

    Dude, Esper thought that the report was such an “obvious news fabrication” that he didn’t deny it but merely said: “Oh, I can’t recall, George,” (…) “But, we have many people who watch this closely.” So Esper didn’t recall seeing the report but decided to “have many people who watch this closely” because it was such an “obvious news fabrication”.

    Peculiarly, one of the European countries that has handled the pandemic the best, according to the statistics, Austria, is not a NATO member and would not have been in on the “secret”.

    The USA didn’t want to do anything about it but “have many people who watch this closely” as Esper puts it because it was just a “live exercise” as Pompeo puts it.

    Yeah, I get it: you’re one of those die-hard chinadidit people.

  53. We have had a constant continual stream of ‘disinformation’ about covid-19:

    “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China,” the World Health Organization, January 14, 2020.

    On February 29 on NBC’s Today, for instance, Anthony Fauci said: “At this moment, there is no need to change anything you’re doing on a day-by-day basis, right now the risk is still low, but this could change. … When you start to see community spread, this could change, and force you to become much more attentive to doing things that would protect you from spread.”

    The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (Fauci is the Head) gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Virology lab to study bat coronaviruses between 2010 and 2015. Was this just science, or to develop trust for cover to introduce COVID-19 into the Wuhan area and destroy the Chinese economy? (https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/04/gordon-duff-documentary-proof-university-of-north-carolina-generated-covid-19/)
    Such conspiracy theories! If so, it boomeranged in a way only the CIA could produce.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Erebus
  54. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Unz readers are infected with know it all syndrome. You can spend all day sifting fact from fiction and imagine you know the difference between the two. Sounds like a very boring life. Or you can blame the Jews for everything. Another Unz favorite.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  55. @Erebus

    I don’t know what stats you’re looking at, but all of the Central & Eastern European countries are doing as well as Austria…

    I was considering the number of active cases relative to the resolved cases (dead and recovered) on the Worldometer, as an indicator of how well a country has gotten the problem under control, also factoring in the fact that some popular ski resorts in western Tyrol (St. Anton, Ischgl) were considered an “epicenter” of European outbreaks that affected other countries – though of course not as bad as Bergamo near Milan – and were thus put under immediate regional quarantine. Also, Vienna is one of the top eight city destinations in Europe and had non-stop flights to China. No other eastern European city, except for Prague, is of major interest to Chinese tourism, so most these eastern countries were less impacted. Compare all these cases with other smaller countries like Switzerland (non-NATO), Belgium, or the Netherlands for instance, which hves been impacted far more severely.

    Perhaps you’d share why you think you know that “… not a single country took any defensive measures whatsover…”, when the stats suggest that more than half did.

    I meant to write “timely” defensive measures, based on purported foreknowledge, which would have necessarily entailed closing their borders and curtailing air traffic, as they eventually did much later. If any country had done this proactively earlier on, based on their assessment from the imaginary briefing in November 2019 (which at least by early January would have had to appear “credible”), news of this would have reverberated throughout Europe, and they would have surely justified their actions. No European country did this back then, in mid-January. Defensive measures probably were only taken my Vietnam, Taiwan, Singapore, and Hongkong, who, based on their wisdom and past experience, and understanding of its people, simply do not trust the Chinese government, compared to gullible Europeans. Also, Israel was also unprepared, so the country’s agents had to resort to stealing or intercepting mask and ventilator shipments that had already been ordered by others.

    …the Pentagon’s non-denial denial.

    Cynical people are aware of the common DC Beltways saying: “Don’t believe anything until it has been officially denied.” So the best way to appeal to consumers of the alternative media is to make up a lie so bold that it forces officials to make an exception to their general “no comment” practice, lest a significant proportion of the population would be inclined to believe it; consequently the alternative media reflexively take this as a cue that the media generated lie must therefore be true. This trick to provoke a dilemma is rather transparent to people who bother to assess an issue on its merit, or lack of it, instead of falling victim to clever tactics utilizing reverse psychology and certain people’s strong ideological biases.

    • Troll: vot tak
    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
    , @Erebus
  56. anonymous[245] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Yet you have no answer to my question.

    Telling people already here that they should leave when you can’t suggest a better site discredits you alone.

  57. @denk

    Truth hurts deeply but you’ll get over it … now go get your free lunch!

    • Replies: @denk
  58. Trying to discern between US foreign policy and China’s beg, borrow and steal attempt at usurping the Pax Americana is a vain attempt at picking up dog turds by the cleaner end. China’s ethnocentric, belt & road, Mein Kampf, global domination redux, Islam’s ‘Islam Uber Alles’ conquest through the demographic/diversity Trojan horse and the DeceptiCohen’s man behind the curtain divide and rule reality are the 3 existential threats to whats left of western civilization.The unholy trinity .

  59. I dont care who knew what, when, how, where and from whom. I dont care where the virus came from and where the shit it is going. I’ll boil that down some more. I dont give a fuck. This virus, the social distancing and all that hocus pocus is getting more and more bizarre by the day.

    Yesterday’s Action

    My bank now has traffic pylons outside the door. They ask the following questions if you want to enter:
    -Have you been out of the country ? Answer; How am I going to be out of the country when the airport is closed?
    -Do you have any symptoms ? Answer: If I had I would be at the hospital
    -Have you associated with anyone who has the symptoms? Answer: If I thought they did I would ask them to go to the hospital and so would I.
    -Sir! There is no need to be rude. Answer: Far from it. You are asking questions parrot fashion. Questions that do not make any sense.

    After getting MY money out of THEIR pockets I proceeded to the auto mechanic for front brakes.

    Joker: Am I allowed to come inside ?
    70 Year old Mechanic Unmasked : Sure, you are the only customer today. You can keep me company while I do the work. I cannot afford to lose customers.

    Today’s Action:

    I proceeded to the quick lube outlet for an oil change. Two young guys are the oil change crew. They both look anaemic. Their lunch is a bag of chips, a chocloate bar and a soda. I am asked to stay in the car. Up in the hoist, down in the hoist. Time to pay. I get the machine handed to me at arms length and both fellows step way back. But wait, dont the virus germs stay on these things for 4 days ready to jump on some unsuspecting victim ? I guess not in this case LOL. I laugh at them as I drive off the hoist. I am more liable to catch the plague from these two sickly looking specimens than the other way around.

    I head back to the bank to make a deposit. To avoid the usual bullshit questions I decide to just hand the envellope to the imbecile at the door, the one who asks all the senseless questions. There is a lady on front of me doing the same. The bank employee takes her documentation as if the customer is a diseased leper with complications from bubonic plague. It goes into a plastic bag just to ensure the germs do not escape in the bank.

    The Joker, hands in his deposit with rubber gloves. The bank employee takes it pre-virus style. Hold a second ! How does she know I did not sneeze all over it and lick the envellope shut with my tongue. She does not and I did not. However it is a commercial deposit and I have forgotten to sign my deposit slip. I ask to borrow her pen and I sign. Lo and behold, she will not take back the pen. I have to place it in a plastic bag for bank sanitization. I ask if I can just keep it. Sure !

    It Barnum and Bailey folks except that the audience all over the US seem to be less and less amused. Where and when will this charade end?

    • LOL: JasonT, Ber
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Biff
  60. meena says:

    Or you can blame the Jews for everything. Another Unz favorite.’ Most likely you will be correct as long as those everything means free stuff like land or money , forgery, assassination, pioneering works on bioterrorism or plane hijacking or letter bombings or stealing PEP.

  61. @Agent76

    Pilato mentioned Last American Vagabond interviewing Whitney Webb, who just had a great lead article here yesterday. It was a dynamite interview, blowing the cover off of this planned for AI-ruled techno-totalitarian state.

    • Thanks: Agent76
  62. @Been_there_done_that

    I’m losing track of how many rails this particular eight ball has rebounded off of.

  63. Cyrano says:

    It’s easy for China to deal with the Corona virus, because they don’t have a democracy to protect.

    You know how many brave souls in US died in the last elections? Hundreds of thousands, but they never gave up, they braved the elements – such as gang violence, police brutality, homelessness, incarceration, and they still cast their ballots. That’s what I call bravery. That’s what makes democracy so powerful.

    Because “democracy” fights abroad wars that are none of their business – so they don’t have to fight those very same fights at home. Is that clever or what? Dictatorships are just the opposite – they fight at home – so they wouldn’t have to fight abroad. So who is right here? – democracies of course. Because they care about the world.

    And now this wretched virus came and disrupted the whole equation – because you can’t fight the virus abroad so you don’t have to fight it at home. The whole formula is useless. You have to fight the virus as a dictatorship – at home – so you won’t have to fight it abroad. But what happens if you suck both as a democracy and as a dictatorship? Well I don’t know – maybe anarchy is the answer?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. @The Cruncher

    Really No Shit replied but I also say “No shit”. Your comment is an astute one and I remembered an incident I experienced some months ago. At the lube station where I get my auto oil changed, if you fill up with gas you get $5.00 off the oil change. A Chinese guy drives in with a top of the line Porsche SUV, gets the oil change but gets into an argument about the $5.00 discount. He goes back to the gas pump attendant and asks if he can prepay for gas, get the coupon and thus the discount. He is told no because the attendant has to choose the pump and his ride is on the hoist. A fresh argument ensues between these two now. In the meantime people are waiting for him to move his SUV so the line can proceed. He returns to the oil bay and the first argument resumes only this time he is running out of English and reverts to English/ Chinese. He is threatened with a visit by the Police so he pays and exits.

    What kind of person drives an SUV with a monster sticker price and haggles over $5.00 ?

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  65. Trickster says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Whatever happened to your faith in human nature ? Why so cynical ? So suspicious ? Surely you do not believe these folks are all liars. We all know that politicians and bureaucrats nonymous, anonymous, known and unknown are honest, caring, truthful, God fearing and bible thumping folks.

  66. Amon says:

    Whoever is to blame for this, one thing is staggering clear at this point.

    China is being scapegoated to drag attention away from a government that decided that a possible million dead was okay in their books only to turn right around and ensure millions will die from starvation and suicide by nuking the economy for the benefit of the usual suspects.

    I wonder what cause the change, was it big business seeing the recession coming full speed at them or was it a white house aide convincing Trump that a million dead plus a crashed economy with its dead on top would lead to him getting lynched by pissed off voters figuratively and literally.

    But the biggest game changer is this. Who will even want to buy US treasuries when the US economy is shot to s**t, millions are dead or staving to death and the government just showed off that it has zero intention of honoring its debts to foreign investors.

  67. @Been_there_done_that

    Don’t tell me you are trying to deflect the incompetence of Washington DC. Do you also claim that in January and February that Trump didn’t praise China and the WHO in how they were handling the crisis? Are you going to deny how he was boasting that the US had no deaths and that everything was under control and would be fine…??? Then what happened…??

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  68. @obwandiyag

    One quibble… It’s not in Chinese genes to “rule the world”. Be the most powerful yes – but not to “rule”… In fact – they are happy for others to stay where they are and let them stay where they are. The biggest comedy to me is those who stoke fear that China wants to take over – but at the same time they complain – “China doesn’t take enough international burden” (usually the result of man made disasters western nations initiated) or “China doesn’t allow enough foreign access”.

    But yeah China is in the ascendancy and no motive to topple the world’s economy. Aside from spreadsheet financial machinations – China already passed the US in the “real economy”.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
  69. Jaylonw says:
    @denk

    Must be the US version of “WuMao”, lol.

  70. @MarkinLA

    Even if this was a completely natural viral spread (which I think is entirely possible) – the fact is that the US response to controlling the virus spread has been abysmal. There was more than enough warning. And Event 201 (sponsored by Gates) is a 100% real event. You can watch the whole proceedings on YouTube. Though – the comments section was open – they disabled it as more people heard about the event. So in spite the horrible irony of that event – the government response is pathetic and down right incompetent.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  71. ‘… And now the full weight of the United States government is covering all bases by proactively, and retroactively, blaming China…’

    We can blame China all we like. I fail to see how we intend to collect.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @acementhead
  72. Art says:

    It’s the battery!

    Like 99.99999% of my fellow humans – I do not have an actual clue as to what happened in China regarding the CV.

    But we can use logic to guess what happened. When your car engine will not turn over and your battery is 5 years old – the logical thought is that the battery is dead. Most often the first simplest logical conclusion is the correct answer.

    The Chinese government has NO reason to start a pandemic. Ditto, the US government. The most logical conclusion is that some underling in the virus lab, screwed up big time. It appears that some Chinese good guys tried to warn the world – and that the bad Chinese government tried to cover it up.

    Hmm – does that work?

    p.s. Logic again. I have ZERO doubt that the CIA played disastrous games with the truth.

    p.s. Hmm — has the State Department become an outpost of the CIA Security State?

  73. Bruno says:

    Unrelated but this video is really funny :

  74. TG says:

    But… is US intelligence actually capable of “knowing” anything at all, anymore?

    Oh I am sure there are still smart and honest analysts looking at hard data somewhere, and maybe some of these people knew something, or maybe they didn’t – but the overall administrative structure of US intelligence has become so corrupted, there is no way the agency as a whole could have come up with any sort of coherent assessment or plan. US intelligence now works backwards: they are told what to find, and then, miraculously, they find it, and scream it to the four corners of the world. And there is never any feedback for intelligence failures…An effective if crude propaganda tactic, but not good practice for actually learning the truth or coming up with an effective plan of action – something else that US intelligence has pretty much failed at since, oh I don’t know, maybe the Korean War?

  75. Art says:
    @Colin Wright

    We can blame China all we like. I fail to see how we intend to collect.

    We have no choice but to fight for the high ground in the world wide propaganda war over CV.

    Losing the war would be disastrous for the West.

    In this CV event, the bad guys are the Chinese – not the Western Americans.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  76. MarkinLA says:
    @showmethereal

    Trump is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t and that has it’s own problems. Suppose Trump locks down the country in December and very few people are infected or died. The media are going to say the economy was crashed due to Trump’s incompetence where he was willing to bankrupt million to save a few thousand old folks a few more months. Trump will get no credit as anything happening outside the US will simply be from their lack of understanding and nothing Trump did.

    As far as Event 201, people say scary shit all the time that never happens. The internet is full of these cranks. How many times has some gold bug predicted a financial Armageddon unless we get back on the gold standard? Even this thing is hardly the end of the world. Now Ebola getting loose in the US with no effective treatment and a 50-80% mortality rate would require a real lockdown.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  77. Miro23 says:

    Hybrid War 2.0 on China, a bipartisan U.S. operation, is already reaching fever pitch. Its 24/7 full spectrum infowar arm blames China for everything coronavirus-related…

    Just following the MSM reaction can be illuminating. The US MSM is Jewish owned, and is the authentic voice of the US Zio-Glob elite. It interprets events and provides a focused call for emergency action. In this respect the big Coronavirus “event” had a lot of similarities to the previous big 9/11 “event”. These “events” are like exploding shells, throwing shrapnel, causing multiple types of damage and panic reactions.

    The difference with 9/11 is that almost 20 years have passed to gather evidence/understand the deception. If the Virus Panic is working the same way, then maybe there is some predictability, for example;

    – A readymade instant story presented at high volume story that fingers the target.
    [9/11] “Arab terrorists – Bin Laden”
    [Coronavirus] “China bio-weapon – Wuhan lab”

    – Create panic and rush the state into the desired emergency action.
    [9/11] Attack on the Middle East, giant new funding for the MIC, security state (Homeland security, Patriot Act, NSA).
    [Coronavirus] Attack Iran while the public are in lockdown/panic mode (still to come), $ 2.3 trillion mostly for Wall St, stop 5G encryption, block US/China oil trade and arms development.

    IMO the main action will be a provocation to start an Iran war (while there’s emergency lockdown), smash the country and gain control of Iranian oil/get it priced in US dollars.

    The strong ties between Beijing and Tehran have been evident in recent days as tensions have risen in the Middle East, triggered by the killing of Iran’s top military chief Qassem Soleimani by the US in Iraq. Tehran responded with a missile attack on US forces in Iraq.

    China’s envoy to Iran, Chang Hua, has said Beijing remained committed to its partnership with Tehran. Zhai Jun, China’s special representative for the Middle East, visited Tehran for a security dialogue on Monday and Tuesday, when he said some “external nations” were stirring provocations, without naming the US.

    South China Morning Post 9th January 2020

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3045253/china-and-iran-relationship-built-trade-weapons-and-oil

    From this POV the Coronavirus is a generalized US bio-warfare attack providing cover for an attack on Iran and indirectly its ally China.

    • Agree: JamesinNM, NoseytheDuke
    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  78. @showmethereal

    “Are you going to deny how he was boasting that the US had no deaths and that everything was under control…”

    No, of course not; I am not denying any of that, but you seem to be missing the point.

    You are referring to Trump dealing with the symptoms of a problem in an incompetent manner. I am focusing on the root cause of the problem, which began in Wuhan and should have been contained there because that was what the local government was legally obliged to do, but instead they allowed the problem to spread.

    This is not only a bilateral issue between China and the USA, it is an issue between China and the rest of the world.

    • LOL: vot tak
    • Replies: @d dan
    , @showmethereal
  79. JamesinNM says:

    Created and deployed by Israel and their CIA puppet.

    • Agree: Iris
  80. FB says: • Website
    @The Grim Joker

    That’s pretty funny…keep the stories coming…

  81. Sean says:

    There may have been subtle hints of slightly increased activity at clinics in Wuhan in late November and early December. But at the time nobody – Chinese doctors, the government, not to mention U.S. intel – could have possibly known what was really happening.

    China could not be “covering up” what was only identified as a new disease on December 30, duly communicated to the WHO

    If they could not possibly have known why did they give everyone the impression they did know?

    NYC Biodefense chief Professor Ian Lipkin said. “On December 31st, researchers there [Wuhan] identified it as a coronavirus but said, ‘It’s not highly transmissible’”. On the 24th of January the WHO said “it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission”. If the Chinese had not came out with such bullcrap none of this would be happening. We can’t trust them anymore, and when I saw something is going to have to be done about it, I don’t mean a ‘PSYOP’ either.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  82. vot tak says:

    “That’s the smokin’ gun. And now the full weight of the United States government is covering all bases by proactively, and retroactively, blaming China.”

    Yup, the zionazi-gays convict themselves by their actions and obvious prepared psywar. The zionazi-gays engaging in biowarfare? Certainly not! It’s just a coincidence they knew China would be hit by the coronavirus a full month before the Chinese government was aware. And it’s just a coincidence the zionazi-gays were looking at the right place at the right time to “discover” the beginning of this epidemic.

    While the pindo herd animals wont connect the dots, too busy growing fatter watching their soaps and sports on television, enough people around the world are connecting the dots.

    • Agree: Half Back
  83. d dan says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    “I am focusing on the root cause of the problem, which began in Wuhan… “

    Assertion without scientific proof.

    “that was what the local government was legally obliged to do, but instead they allowed the problem to spread.”

    Right, they “ALLOW” the problem to spread – more lies.

    “This is not only a bilateral issue between China and the USA….”

    You are damm right….

    “… it is an issue between China and the rest of the world.”

    No, it is an issue between US and the rest of the world.

  84. Anon[183] • Disclaimer says:

    Why do you keep insisting that China should have contained a virus of which they had no prior knowledge? When they had more information they locked down the city. A move which your government cried “authoritarian!” What has your government done since learning about it?

    • Replies: @Been_there_done_that
  85. Wuhan laboratory scientists ‘did absolutely crazy things’ to alter coronavirus and enabled it to infect humans, Russian microbiologist claims

    World renowned expert Professor Petr Chumakov made claims about the labs

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8249875/Wuhan-laboratory-scientists-did-absolutely-crazy-things-alter-coronavirus.html

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  86. Who in Hell would ever trust a single freaking thing a government official says?

  87. Biff says:
    @The Grim Joker

    Where and when will this charade end?

    When you get out….

  88. @The Grim Joker

    What kind of person drives an SUV with a monster sticker price and haggles over $5.00 ?

    Don’t need to get racist with this one. CHEAP MF’s come in all colours and sizes. I am curious, do you speak Chinese?

    • Replies: @The Grim Joker
  89. denk says:
    @Really No Shit

    Hey shithead,

    You’r hurting me alright.

    I’ve never been to the unitedsnake, neither am I from China.
    But thanks to your war on the Chinese, I went thru the ordeal of SARS1 in 2003.

    Since then,
    There’s this notice posted at the wash basin in my office block, ‘The seven steps to properly wash your hand’. [sic]
    Its has now been replaced by a new notice, the SARS2 update.

    The notice is a minor irritant., but Im now into the 2nd month of lockdown, courtesy of your war on the Chinese again.

    Dont come and ‘bastards’ to me, I’ve never hurt a single murkkan in my life, but because of your wars on the Chinese, our life have been messed up again and again.

    when I curse at the [[[mofo]]] who keep on messing up the life of us innocent bystanders, Im thinking of the CIA/MI6/ASIO mofo, but if shitheads like you insist on joining their ranks, be my guest.

  90. Erebus says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    The answer to your question is probably “none”.

    An interesting point that I should have pinned down as it crossed my mind.

    I have no idea if there’s a uniform reporting mechanism within NATO that would bring details of its briefings to the attention of the members’ governments, but if there were the briefings would quite likely be secret. They were disclosures of military intelligence within a supra-national military body with (afaik) no public health mandate.

    The fact that the White House Coronavirus Task Force is organized under the State Dept rather than the HHS, that its meetings have been classified top secret by the NSC and are held in a secure facility suggests strongly that they’re dealing with highly sensitive intelligence. Even important public health experts and policymakers been barred from attending the Council’s meetings so State Govts & Medical Boards flew blind into the epidemic. If the briefings at NATO were given on the same basis, NATO member govts wouldn’t have been told a thing.

    Ain’t_been_nowhere_ain’t_done_nothing_since_my_conviction is a prime example of the MO I describe in my first paragraph, and took the bait accordingly.

  91. denk says:
    @Michael888

    The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (Fauci is the Head) gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Virology lab to study bat coronaviruses between 2010 and 2015. Was this just science, or to develop trust for cover to introduce COVID-19 into the Wuhan area and destroy the Chinese economy?

    and …
    derail their 5g roll out, Made in China 2030, BRI, spur an MNC exodus outta China….
    Trump’s ultimate Global Chinese exclusion Act, the only way to MAGA. ???

    Think about it.
    [[[They]]]’ve been ethnic cleansing Chinese scientists from US labs, including Cancer researchers forchrissake………
    So why do [[[they]]] sponsor dual purpose CV research bet Wuhan and NIH, UNC ?????

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-hunt-for-patient-zero/?showcomments#comment-3842259

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-hunt-for-patient-zero/?showcomments#comment-3844446

    https://www.unz.com/article/the-hunt-for-patient-zero/?showcomments#comment-3843477

  92. utu says:
    @Ayatollah Smith

    NATO commanders, and the soldiers seconded to NATO are instructed in the strongest possible terms that they no longer owe loyalty to their home countries, that they are part of a superior, supra-national force that might conceivably be at war with any of those nations. And the role of a NATO officer or soldier is, if necessary, to assist in the invasion of his own country and to kill his own countrymen. And to be proud it.

    This is not true.

  93. naill says:
    @Pft

    You know, maybe it was a joint venture between US and China. Everyone knew but us little people.

    China and the many involved would then have to be acting out a role when the disease progressed and was discovered. And from their initial reaction, it was more confusion and missteps rather than calculated acting.

    I ask also what would China gain by taking part in this ‘joint venture’? Absolutely nothing. It doesn’t have the difficulty that the US has in introducing the monitoring of citizen movements. It has no desire to implant chips into its citizens or vaccinate all citizens with hidden chips. It would have known the economic and political consequences would be severe. And most of all, China no longer trusts the USG.

    Hopefully this pandemic is a wake up call to the CCP that there are more than the USG they shouldn’t trust. And taking USAID grants can have dire consequences.

  94. Quintus says:

    This NCMI revelation is almost Covid-19’s equivalent of the Dancing Israelis to 9/11. An explosive piece of information proponents of the “China-did-it” theory will have trouble coming to grips with.

  95. Quintus says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    Been there done that: what a ridiculous, vapid indulgence in reductio ad absurdum.

  96. Quintus says:
    @Pft

    Collusion between USA and China cannot be ruled out, but I don’t see how China benefits. Its worldwide image is tainted; its exports have taken a big hit. They don’t need a corona coup to set up an authoritarian regime because they already have one; nor does China benefit if the West becomes more authoritarian: it benefits Western elites, not the Chinese elite. I put my money on the CIA did it.

    • Agree: acementhead
  97. Seraphim says:
    @Pft

    If you ‘little people’ didn’t know is understandable and up to a point even excusable (there are more things that the little people don’t need to know), the same is not excusable for the POTUS.

  98. Erebus says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    No European country did this back then, in mid-January.

    Germany did.

  99. @Anon

    Why do you keep insisting that China should have contained a virus of which they had no prior knowledge?

    If this question was posed to me, I need only point out their legal obligations, deriving from specific provisions in WHO Health Law Chapter 11 – Public Health Emergencies, which I already cited in a parallel thread. Although the virus was new, enough information about its nature and potential threat had already been obtained in early December, so that officials would have been required to cancel international flights from leaving the airport to prevent further spreading by passengers who may have been exposed to the disease. They waited for weeks – either negligently or intentionally – until they finally closed the Wuhan airport, by which time it was already too late to contain the spread locally.

  100. wholy1 says:

    In light of the on-going disclosures about bio-engineered virus collaboration between the Feral gov and US medical/academic institutions w/ the Chicoms at the Wuhan P4 lab, just wondering if anybody else is increasingly suspecting that very evil elements in US intel agencies “facilitated” said KNOWING that – w/ knowledge of previous releases from the Wuhan lab – such a nasty gain-of-function-engineered bug would also eventually get released – accidentally or otherwise? With the unbelievable level of resulting financial chaos, facilitated CB QE dumping w/ abandon, tyranny creep, forced vaccine promotion and increasing “China-bashing”, the old Hegelian doctrine of problem/reaction/solution seems again more relevant than ever.

  101. @denk

    It’s hard to make out what your point is from your ramblings but whatever it is you’re trying to say is best summed up thus: the white man will continue to rule the world.

    P. S. What’s this murrakkann?

    • Replies: @denk
  102. Emily says:
    @Erebus

    Hi Erebus
    If that is correct about the team sickness and the hotel staff, that is a game changer even for the most bigoted anti Chinese poster.
    Most informative comment I have read.
    Thank you.
    Any links would be interesting.
    Like to see it up on Zerohedge for one.
    But they are banning at least some people, who post stuff seriously showing any blame on the USA and questioning the Chinese ‘did it’ narrative.
    Zerohedge has turned into the leading shrill of the China ‘dun it’ brigade.
    Very disappointing.

  103. @Been_there_done_that

    … had already been obtained in early December, so that officials would have been required…

    ADDENDUM

    Sorry, but my intended sentence was partially truncated and did not include the important part in bold letters below:

    …had already been obtained in early December, and subsequently analyzed, evaluated, and then publicly reported on in early January, so that officials would have been required…

  104. denk says:

    Beware of pale face bearing gift…..

    Exhibit A

    Very few people in Pakistan know the history of the dengue epidemic in Pakistan. It dates back to the era when we decided to give free hand to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to use our land for its nefarious activities. We received many “gifts” from the Americans in post Afghan war that dismantled the USSR – dengue and drugs, arms and terrorism, religious bigotry and militarism. During the engagement in Afghanistan through the mujahideen, CIA started a “project” (sic) in Lahore under the name of the ‘Malaria Eradication Centre

    [sic]

    http://tariqluqman.blogspot.com/2013/02/dengue-virus-biological-war-started-by.html#.VGBDOmc9YYd

  105. @dogbumbreath

    Ask your mother, she can tell you !

  106. @denk

    Denk and Dogbumbreath are Chinese lovers and defenders and peanut buffers. In addition if I knew who they were, given they seem to love each other so much, I would call in the Preacher and have them married. They are both queer, in every sense of the word.

  107. denk says:
    @Really No Shit

    the white man will continue to rule the world.

    What happens to all that bitching about ‘our Jew overlord ‘ ???

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  108. denk says:

    FYI,
    pft is a nutjob…..

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/no-weapon-left-behind-the-american-hybrid-war-on-china/#comment-3743459

    Been there done that is willfully obtuse, its his day job.

    Really no shit is natural born stupid.

  109. Erebus says:
    @Michael888

    The National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases (Fauci is the Head) gave a $3.7 million grant to the Wuhan Virology lab to study bat coronaviruses between 2010 and 2015. Was this just science, or to develop trust for cover to introduce COVID-19 into the Wuhan area and destroy the Chinese economy?

    That’s the $1M question, on its way to becoming a $1.2T question.

  110. denk says:

    If Im not mistaken, Veneet the 1st name represent the chief investigator, Shi Zhengli is right at the tail end.
    Baric is the boss.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

  111. denk says:

    Beware of pale face bearing gift….

    Exhibt B

    Murkkan Ebola eradication proj in Africa, how does it work out ??

    https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2014/10/22/exposed-ebolavirus-us-bio-warfare-africans-guinea-pigs/

  112. denk says:

    Beware of pale face bearing gift…..

    Exhibit C

    Scandal at Georgia’s
    Richard Lugar Center for Public Health Research [sic] !

    https://theduran.com/mysterious-us-funded-bioweapons-laboratory-implicated-in-death-of-73-people-in-tbilisi-georgia-video/

  113. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Erebus

    This is the (admittedly speculative) part that is very difficult to understand or explain, unless it is further postulated that the NCMI and, by extension, elements of the U.S. government, knew what they were seeing in the first place:

    Now consider the possibility that in early Nov the 5’s tests came back with the same result that landed on (Emergency Dept Head, Wuhan Central Hosp.) Ai Fen’s desk on Dec 31, and that triggered January’s stream of events. The lab test confirmed “SARS Coronavirus”. She’d been seeing similar patients for more than a month, and asked for that test on a hunch. The bell finally rang for Wuhan, but if those 5 tests were similar that bell would have rung for the NCMI 6 weeks earlier.

    Both groups, the Wuhan hospitals/China CDC, and NCMI/CIA, were working off the same test results, the 5 infected American athletes. Those tests were conducted in November in Wuhan, and perhaps done again in the U.S.

    They rang alarm bells in the NCMI (who did not find some way of getting the info to the CDC in Atlanta), but the Chinese, victims of the SARS outbreak in 2003 and paranoid about a recurrence, did not pay attention until December 31, 6 weeks later?

    Remember, we are talking here of an ENTIRELY NEW, NEVER BEFORE CATALOGED virus, that no one should have been able to figure out upon first detection, or for some time after. The delay in China is exactly as expected, even if you substitute the finest health authorities in say Switzerland or Germany, when examining the new disease. No one in the world knew what they were seeing.

    So HOW did the NCMI/U.S. intel know IMMEDIATELY what they were looking at? Unless you want to believe that the NCMI has medical technology which they do not share with the United States’ own medical system (which is a HUGE and separate can of worms in itself) . . .

    You have to conclude that U.S. intel had long foreknowledge of Covid-19, that they already knew what to look for from the start. And that is very damning in itself.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  114. @MarkinLA

    Your last paragraph shows you have no clue about what Event 201 was. It was heads of VARIOUS industries and even government agencies in an event sponsored by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and a prominent US university there. They even invited the head of China’s CDC. EVERYTHING that is happening was discussed. These were not some weirdos with an internet connection sitting in a bunker.

    Economies were going to contract no matter what. That’s what happens in a pandemic. You either have a a short term lockdown and the economic contraction while saving tens of thousands of lives…. Or you play games – lose many times more lives than need to be lost – and STILL have an economic contraction…. And truth be told – it’s not just Trump – it’s the entire political system.

    • Agree: Erebus
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  115. @Been_there_done_that

    Name one epidemic that ever stayed in one place and never spread…. I won’t waste your time – because you can’t. Did the rest of the world blame North America for not containing H1N1???? Hundreds of thousands of people died around the world. It was only 11 years ago. You forgot???

  116. Anon[395] • Disclaimer says:
    @Been_there_done_that

    We can argue timelines ad naseum. The report here shows a timeline where WHO (comprised of various member countries) were notified very quickly.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/04/24/how-the-chinese-authorities-and-the-world-health-organization-handled-the-coronavirus/

    Besides that point. Which country would lock down entire city of millions without being relatively sure? This was called unprecedented by every media outlet. Your country which knew of the severity of the virus still did nothing until too late.

  117. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cyrano

    But what happens if you suck both as a democracy and as a dictatorship? Well I don’t know – maybe anarchy is the answer?

    IMHO, this is a painfully obvious reference the these here “United” “States”.

    The “United States” – neither “United” in practice, nor effective modern “States” even in gross disunity.

    Oh, and a hearty LOL to this:

    So who is right here? – democracies of course. Because they care about the world

  118. Erebus says:
    @Anonymous

    Both groups, the Wuhan hospitals/China CDC, and NCMI/CIA, were working off the same test results, the 5 infected American athletes.

    What makes you think they did the same tests?

    Medical labs do the tests requisitioned by the physician. If the physician(s) attending the US patients in Wuhan didn’t specifically request a test for Corona virus, the lab wouldn’t have done one. Labs don’t freewheel. Tests cost money.

    Dr. Ai Fen apparently requisitioned a Corona test for one of her patients on a hunch. We have no idea what motivated that hunch, but until she had it and got the result there’s no reason to believe that Wuhan’s physicians had any idea what they were dealing with. In fact, all the data points to them being quite puzzled by the cases they were seeing.

    The NCMI’s testing is presumably not inhibited by cost considerations, and as the USM operates around the world their physicians are (again presumably) apprised of a much wider range of pathogens incl bio-warfare threats than a civilian doctor in Wuhan. If NCMI’s physicians are baffled by a patient’s symptoms, I’d think their job is to get to the bottom of it however many tests it takes.

    …the Chinese, victims of the SARS outbreak in 2003 and paranoid about a recurrence, did not pay attention until December 31, 6 weeks later?

    This point is precisely the domestic criticism that was levelled at Wuhan/Hubei’s public health authorities, and got the whole lot fired. That they and hospital administrations got complacent in the intervening 16-17 years, and that they acted less than energetically when local physicians started noticing the appearance of an “unusual pneumonia” remains a legitimate criticism.

    Remember, we are talking here of an ENTIRELY NEW, NEVER BEFORE CATALOGED virus…

    Not quite true. It is indeed a new type of Corona virus, but it is sufficiently closely related to the SARS corona virus that the test for SARS virus reveals it. What Dr. Ai Fen didn’t know is that it wasn’t SARS, because until it had been genetically sequenced and analysed nobody did.

  119. MarkinLA says:
    @showmethereal

    I didn’t need to see it. I have lots of experience listening to cranks make predictions about the stock market. Most of them are wrong but when they get lucky, for the next two years everybody thinks they are a genius.

    You are hysterical.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  120. denk says:

    Been there done that spits statistics, copy paste prob distribution curve trying to convince us CV19 originated from Wuhan lab.
    Turns out he’s a coincidence theory nutjob,..

    All those H7n9, H5N1, swine flu, army worms, ravaging China in 2018/9 were just natural occurrences.
    The Crimson contagion excercise, the Netflix documentary, Event 201 pedicting CV19 were all coincidences.
    blah blah blah….

    Perhaps its ANOTHER coincidence that the NIH have been sponsoring cutting edge threat reduction [sic] research on H5N1, H7N9 FOR decades.

    How do we know about that ?
    As usual, they advertised their achievements.

    Evil genius are ego maniacs, they simply had to share their secrets with us.
    Whats the point of burning all that mid night oil, without your brilliance being appreciated. ?

    ‘This planet has already achieved a delicate balance between all species, long before we arrived. But the self-deluded geniuses wanted more excitement to the show. There is a conspiracy to spread the flu virus at the widest coverage possible, and it’s not just a theory.

    The scientists themselves who were conducting the specific research on how they made H7N9 virus increase its rate of human transmissions are already publicizing it.’

    https://eclinik.net/heres-the-proof-flu-virus-was-deliberately-weaponized-for-widest-transmission/

    Barely a year after they advertised their work in 2017, H7N9 hit China …..again.

    • Replies: @denk
  121. Because they have at least two reports from 2018/2019 that mentioned the laboratory in Wuhan and others laboratories in China would be in extremely danger because what they did in there! China+states+russia+israel ARE A HUGE BIG LIERS IN THIS CASE BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT WAS ABOUT TO HAPPEN!

  122. AND this scientist Shi Zhengli “Bat” Woman published several scientific articles in several scientific newspapers/journals about this virus and bats! Where is this chinese scientist? And why the communist party in china destroyed documents, dates, etc. About this laboratory in Wuhan? I DON’T believe in NOBODY only in myself ! And china+russia + states+israel+erdogan+etc. from politcs and rich people ARE ALL LIERS!

  123. denk says:
    @denk

    BEWARE OF PALE FACE BEARING GIFT…..

    So lets get this straight.
    NIH not only sponsored CV research bet Shi and NCU, it also granted 3.8b to Wuhan lab for similar work.

    Its interest extends to weaponising GOF [sic] research on H5N1, H7N9 virus,. which devastated China in 2013/8/9.

    And whaddya know ?
    NIH philanthropy goes WAY back to the 90’s , prior to the race specific SARS1 attack, when it sponsored joint health research [sic] in Anhui, where Harvard collected vast quantities of Chinese DNA for unknown ‘medical research’ back in the US.

    We cannot count on the US government to uphold justice for Chinese farmers and seriously implement bioethics. I just want to show that we Chinese are not without doubt about the genetic projects that your American institutions have done in China. The kind of seemingly serious investigations you have done on the problems with these projects are actually cut-scene investigations, and we Chinese are not unnoticed. If you want to cover up these problems, then we will spread them to the whole world.

    The fourth issue of the American Journal of Bioethics in 2004 published a letter from an internationally renowned biological and medical ethicist to the editor of the journal, condemning Harvard’s human genetic research project in Anhui as contrary to bioethical principles. The seven well-known ethicists from Australia, Brazil, Mexico, South Africa and Switzerland said in their letter that Harvard’s research in rural Anhui involves environmental and occupational diseases, genetic-environment interactions, genetic diseases, population genetics, reproduction Health, asthma, and chronic respiratory disorders. These studies have not been approved by ethical review, informed consent has not been obtained, and Chinese genetic sample providers are unlikely to benefit. They expressed deep concern that such a well-known institution and research of this nature, with funding from the National Institutes of Health, could escape rigorous ethical review … A German ethicist told me that this is the first time that the international ethics community has expressed public concern about (such) the matter and condemned the relevant institutions.

    After SARS, Tong Zeng published a book in October 2003: “The Last Line of Defense: Thoughts on the Loss of Chinese Genes.” Based on the fact that some US scientific research institutions have hunted Chinese genetic samples since the 1990s, and combined with the phenomenon that Chinese are particularly susceptible to SARS virus [note: 96% of all global SARS deaths were ethnic Chinese and to date, 99.9% of global Covid-19 deaths are ethnic Chinese], he put forward a hypothesis: SARS may be a genetic weapon against the Chinese. As a result, he was verbally abused. In response, Tong Zeng said: “I just proposed a possibility. I have the right to doubt.”

    https://www.greanvillepost.com/2020/02/29/harvard-illegally-collected-dna-samples-in-china-throughout-the-90s-right-up-to-sars-lies-upon-lies-and-many-cover-ups-have-kept-this-criminal-conduct-hidden-in-plain-sight/

    gawd damn, murkkan taxpayers have been funding for Chinese health care all these years !

    To think that those chicom have the cheek to blame the US for CV19 , what ingrates !

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  124. @denk

    (W)hite (A)nglo (S)axon (P)rotestants … WASPs, i.e. non Semitic white Christians!

  125. @Art

    This is the Theresa May standard of proof. I had thought better of you than that. This is “the Chinese are “highly likely” to be guilty, “there is no plausible alternative”, “they have form” and then proceed to execution. No need for evidence, that’s so last century!
    The jury is out on who dunnit.
    Don’t say that! Who needs a jury! Simple allegation, backed up by the words of Trump and Pompeo is ample!

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Art
  126. @Sean

    “On December 31st, researchers there [Wuhan] identified it as a coronavirus but said, ‘It’s not highly transmissible’”. On the 24th of January the WHO said “it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission”.

    Do you have a reference for that? I ask because my recollection is, that they said, both of them, that there was no evidence of sustained human to human transmission. A significantly different statement. (My emphasis.)

  127. @ThreeCranes

    World renowned expert Professor Petr Chumakov made claims about the labs

    The”Funny thing” about your post is that you failed to mention that the man “making this comment” died 27 years ago! I wonder how he kept up-to-date?

  128. Neoconned says:

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1246207/coronavirus-uk-virus-origin-wuhan-china-seafood-market-covid-19-spread

    I don’t think most higher level Clinton administration officials ever knew for instance that Andreas Strassmeir was a paid undercover “deep cover” probably CIA asset infiltrating American far right groups and goosed and/or brainwashed the sheep-dipped retard agent Tim McVeigh(also probably deep cover) into committing the OKC bombing….

    In the same way if “some rogue faction” within the Pentagon/CIA etc released this virus as many suggest and strongly believe(the so-called American military “athletes” who just happened to be in Wuhan briefly before the breakout started) then Trump and even higher or mid level DIA/ABC intelligence agency spooks wouldn’t have known jack-all about what say a small cell of radical rogue bioterrorists within our intelligence or security “community” did…..

    In short: even if they can pin it on the Chinese govt the Trump administration and any future admin. will never allow for any legal judicial judgment to be collected upon for security and trade reasons.

    Just won’t happen. We can’t afford to not have trade with China…..a breakdown in trade would result in a deflationary economic conflagration of unknown proportions. And yes — anybody with a brain KNOWS this virus more than likely was “accidentally” released — either by incompetents working in some biolab in China or by malicious “rogue factional” psychotic bioterrorist insurrectionists within our own govt…..

    But if you like our way of life — make sure this judgment isn’t enforced.

  129. Neoconned says:
    @denk

    Makes one wonder what other weird stuff our “tax dollars” directly or indirectly finance…..

    • Replies: @denk
  130. @Colin Wright

    We can blame China all we like. I fail to see how we intend to collect.

    You intend to collect by repudiating debt held by China. Also confiscating China-owned assets all over the world.

  131. Art says:
    @foolisholdman

    This is the Theresa May standard of proof. I had thought better of you than that. This is “the Chinese are “highly likely” to be guilty, “there is no plausible alternative”, “they have form” and then proceed to execution. No need for evidence, that’s so last century!
    The jury is out on who dunnit.
    Don’t say that! Who needs a jury! Simple allegation, backed up by the words of Trump and Pompeo is ample!

    As I implied – I was expressing logic – not a proof. The idea that Trump signed off on creating this pandemic – is in my mind ridiculous. Ditto for Xi. There is not a grand conspiracy behind every negative event. Most of the time, the problem is incompetence.

    I have given up hope on Trump (I fear that he is going to drive the world mad) – and Pompeo is a killer who belongs in a dungeon.

    p.s. Trump threatening Iran with war is wrong and irresponsible. The world does not need that – these very days – the world needs stability.

  132. Neoconned says:
    @denk

    Are you implying what I think you are implying?

    Basically that this study is a cover for a bioterrorism attack or study to get genetic information so as to “taylor” the virus to Chinese genetic specifications…..as in by one of our ABC spook agencies….?

    • Replies: @denk
  133. denk says:
    @Neoconned

    Thats what I think.

    Whats your opinion on this. ?

    • Replies: @Neoconned
  134. TT says:

    US are cunning to tie China hands with 3 options not to expose US as culprits:

    1) Trumps: Anonymous source say from Wuhan lab. Let’s sued $20T to seize China global assets & decouple it from World.(Threat)

    2) UK Cambridge: Sure not from Wuhan Lab, but still start from Southern China.(Divert scientific attention from all strains exist in US only, while China only has one).

    3) WHO: From bats naturally, but don’t know how & where is the source. (Let US bioterrorism goes unpunished like 2003 SARS. The only option US demand China to swallow).

    This is option West deny the world:

    4) ZUS release COVID on three ancient silk route nodes, China, Iran & Italy. Cui bono.

    Scientific genome studies by China, Jp, Taiwan and Cambridge scientists all pointing to same source, only US having all 5 strains of COVID “ABCDE” (Chinese study), 1st generation “A” strain only exist in US & Oz. (Cambridge study use three strains “ABC”).

    China is “C”, Taiwan “BC”, Asia “DE”, EU “CDE”, Oz”AB”, US”ABCDE”!!!

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/china-coronavirus-shocking-update/5705196

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evidence-virus-originated-us/5706078

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1181159.shtml

    US West coast is mild “AB” suitable for Herd Immunity. Study in Massachusetts found over 1/3 already has antibody aka herd immunity. NY is hit by more deadly mutated strains “DE” may render Herd Immunity less effective.

    So where is the origin source? Who has highest motive to devastate China & pull out its supply chain? Who will gain with $2.2T bailout to save collapsing Wall Street? Who will gain in US-EU unlimited QE aka Marshall Plan2.0 to scoop up global assets from a devastated world economy?

  135. TT says:

    Timeline & Qns:

    #Jan19
    What happen to US outbreak of powdered glass lung infection pneumonia, blaming on E-cigarette Vaping Injury? Over 2,000 cases recorded. The phenomenon is EXACTLY similar to COVID as listed by Maryland Health Agency. Yet the entire whole world has not seen single similar problem with vaping.

    https://phpa.health.maryland.gov/OEHFP/EH/Pages/VapingIllness.aspx

    #Jul19
    Why Ft Detrick Lab, Maryland was shut down by CDC?
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1182694.shtml

    [MORE]

    Why US CDC suddenly withdrawn its epidemiologist Dr. Linda Quick embedded in China CDC to help detect virus outbreak?
    https://www.physiciansweekly.com/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc/amp/

    #Aug19
    Why 10,000 sudden large scale “flu” deaths in US? How many of the 31M “flu” infected & 31,000 deaths are COVID? (US CDC chief admitted some). These can be traced from their lung CT Scan records easily in millions of pneumonia cases, even to exhume some for test.

    Oct19
    Why CDC threaten Washington Dr Helen Chu to stop testing nCov “flu” patients with “cease and desist” order, something to hide?

    #18Oct19
    Why Pentagon hawks & CIA Deputy Director joined Event 201 that simulated exactly what COVID is rolling out now?
    https://hub.jhu.edu/2019/11/06/event-201-health-security/

    #18~27Oct19
    Why US still refuse to test or disclose heath status of those USM 369 soldiers send to Wuhan military game to verify if they ever been COVID infected (antibody test)? How’s Maatje Benassi?
    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1183658.shtml
    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/03/25/china-us-brought-covid19-to-china-during-army-games-hid-disease-in-us-as-influenza/

    #B/Nov19
    How US intelligence knew & warned WH to proctect USM bases surrounding China on Wuhan cataclysmic outbreak? (ABC news)
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

    #M/Nov19
    Why US intelligence alerted Nato-Israel-allies on Wuhan cataclysmic outbreak, but not China & WHO? (Timesofisrael)
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-alerted-israel-nato-to-disease-outbreak-in-china-in-november-report//

    15Nov19
    Why US CDC recruiting quarantine specialists in all states for period of Nov19~May20? (US CDC)
    https://jobs.cdc.gov/job/dallas/public-health-advisor-quarantine-program/250/14136286

    #17Dec19
    Why SK so coincidentally held mobilization on precise “China Coronavirus outbreak spreading by returning Koreans” to fully prepare itself timely for outbreak? They said pure luck. (Reuters)
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-30/south-koreas-emergency-exercise-in-december-facilitated-coronavirus-testing-containment

    #27Dec19
    Why China Wuhan Dr Zhang Jixian only detected first few suspect cases mths later than US intelligence report?
    http://en.people.cn/mobile/new/content.html?cI=1002&nI=9680648&aT=m

    #31Dec19
    China CDC notified WHO & US CDC on unknown nCov cases. Why US kept silence on its intelligence till now?

    #1Jan20~1Mar20
    Why for 2mths not a single USNato member prepare & procure even an extra mask, when seeing China, Iran & Italy were overwhelmed with outbreak? Then what made all suddenly make a similar U-turn to lockdown, competing for top infection spots and rushing to procure PPE? Is it their herd immune program fail with newly mutated “C” strains COVID virus?

    #Mar20
    Why CDC & WH need discuss Covid19 outbreak in a top secret secure facility, with everything Classified Top Secret? Because staffers said, “It has something to do with China.”

    20Mar20
    Why did U.S. erase all news reports on the internet covering Ft Detrick Lab shutdown?
    __________
    #Why did U.S. withdraw from 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC) in 2001?

    #Why did US try to prevent UNSC setting up a monitoring mechanism for the execution of the BTWC Convention? Is it standing in the way of developing biological weapon for the U.S.?

    #Why US need increase its BSL4 Lab from 2 to 12, BSL3 Labs increase by 900 after 911?
    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/biosecurity-in-question-at-us-germ-labs/

    #Why Pentagon need patented attenuated Coronavirus, and war funded 400 bioweapon Labs set up globally?
    https://patents.justia.com/patent/10130701

    The Pentagon Bio-weapons
    http://dilyana.bg/the-pentagon-bio-weapons/amp/

    The US Army regularly produces deadly viruses, bacteria and toxins in direct violation of the UN Convention on the prohibition of Biological Weapons. Hundreds of thousands of unwitting people are systematically exposed to dangerous pathogens and other incurable diseases. Bio warfare scientists using diplomatic cover test man-made viruses at Pentagon bio laboratories in 25 countries across the world.

    These US bio-laboratories are funded by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) under a $ 2.1 billion military program– Cooperative Biological Engagement Program (CBEP), and are located in former Soviet Union countries such as Georgia and Ukraine, the Middle East, South East Asia and Africa.

    https://sites.google.com/site/bioterrorbible/BIO-WEAPONS/RACE-SPECIFIC-BIO-WEAPONS

    • Replies: @Erebus
  136. @MarkinLA

    What a world we live in when people boast about being ignorant and foolish. But at the same time thinking they know it all… You don’t even get the irony.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  137. MarkinLA says:
    @showmethereal

    You do realize you just described yourself, don’t you?

    • Replies: @anon
  138. Erebus says:
    @TT

    Thanks for your effort to put that list together.

  139. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @MarkinLA

    America will self destruct it self . It already has started . Now 19 years in it and counting .
    Anger and mad rage against America brought painful and ignoble demise of Osama Bin Ledeen and the rout of Al Quoada .Blind hatred and anger against 911 hijcakers brought the west down to its knees
    But the worst part of this fight is Al Quiada seems to be regenerating changing adapting while America is lost and confused and deludes it self by thinking that the rest of the world will adapt, change and regenerate the American power .
    Trump is a vulgar racist profiteer . Biden is just a profiteer . Above the heads of both is Netanayhau whose loving country made the most out of that post 911 anger . Anger is still good for it . Israel wants brave MAGA Americans be angry with Syria ,with Iran ,and with Palestinian .
    Cotton and Lindsey refer to China as enemy and provide evidence by saying “ friend doesn’t do things like these to friends “ . It seems they have never heard the name of Israel.

    USA is a country with repetitive recidivism only a psychopath can engage in over its entire life span .It has sprayed drugs chemicals germs and released bio agents on domestic citizen and foreigners. It continues to release and call the incident as accident .

  140. meena says:

    More ME mayhem is on the cards . Thanks to US election. Israel knows that no candidate will dare to even mildly suggest Israel that it doenst do anything against Lebanon or Gaza and doesn’t try to displace more Palestinian.

    Trump continues … We are not happy with China,” the president said. “We believe it could have been stopped at the source. It could have been stopped quickly and it wouldn’t have spread all over the world.”

    Trump responded to questions about a German newspaper editorial calling for China to pay Germany $165bn, suggesting he would also seek damages.

    “Germany is looking at things, we are looking at things,” he said. “We are talking about a lot more money than Germany’s talking about.”

    “We haven’t determined the final amount yet,” Trump said. “It’s very substantial.” Guardian (UK)

  141. Neoconned says:
    @denk

    I dunno…. wouldn’t be shocked either way at what some “rogue deep state faction” did…..the “military athletes angle” is very interesting…..Ron Unz seems to buy it.

    I dunno…. could be of natural origin as well and just a crazy over reaction….

  142. Popeye says:
    @jbwilson24

    Well most USA media doesn’t go digging too deep on any particular subject unless it fits into their political agenda or helps their profit margin or both. See how comatose most media is at probing the Biden sexual assault allegation by Tara Reade. Hell Biden could be caught on video cornholing a stiff corpse in Times Square or a dead cow in Wisconsin and the media couldn’t get excited because it could likely help trump and harm Biden

  143. @Been_there_done_that

    iDF confirmed this and printed it in November as well. !!

  144. @Pft

    Why say” Maybe” , Charles Leiber at Harvard already proves they were working together, he was arrested for it! Ft D had to shut down their work so Fauci sent it to Wuhan Lab with million$ to continue with their work. The Donald s first action as Pres was to send FBI to the CDC HQ in Jan of 17, I feel he thought he caught this backup plan in time , and passedvthe law against furthervstudy of viruses.
    Is there a possibility this Covd was the Insurance policy Strozk mentions. And no one anywhere ever mentions Epstein the rapist and his funding of Charles Lieber , Harvard and MIT virus pathologists!!

  145. @Anonymous

    Its your duty to sift facts , informed citizens are the most important aspect of democracy, small D!!
    What else do you have to do today!!

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