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Seven years after being launched by President Xi Jinping, first in Astana and then in Jakarta, the New Silk Roads, or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) increasingly drive the American plutocratic oligarchy completely nuts.

The relentless paranoia about the Chinese “threat” has much to do with the exit ramp offered by Beijing to a Global South permanently indebted to IMF/World Bank exploitation.

In the old order, politico-military elites were routinely bribed in exchange for unfettered corporate access to their nations’ resources, coupled with go-go privatization schemes and outright austerity (“structural adjustment”).

This went on for decades until BRI became the new game in town in terms of infrastructure building – offering an alternative to the imperial footprint.

The Chinese model allows all manner of parallel taxes, sales, rents, leases – and profits. This means extra sources of income for host governments – with an important corollary: freedom from the hardcore neoliberal diktats of IMF/World Bank. This is what is at the heart of the notorious Chinese “win-win”.

Moreover, BRI’s overall strategic focus on infrastructure development not only across Eurasia but also Africa encompasses a major geopolitical game-changer. BRI is positioning vast swathes of the Global South to become completely independent from the Western-imposed debt trap. For scores of nations, this is a matter of national interest. In this sense BRI should be regarded as the ultimate post-colonialist mechanism.

BRI in fact bristles with Sun Tzu simplicity applied to geoeconomics. Never interrupt the enemy when he’s making a mistake – in this case enslaving the Global South via perpetual debt. Then use his own weapons – in this case financial “help” – to destabilize his preeminence.

Hit the road with the Mongols

None of the above, of course, is bound to serenade the paranoid volcano, which will keep spitting out a 24/7 deluge of red alerts deriding BRI as “poorly defined, badly mismanaged and visibly failing”. “Visibly”, of course, only for the exceptionalists.

Predictably, the paranoid volcano feeds on a toxic mix of arrogance and crass ignorance of Chinese history and culture.

Xue Li, director of the Department of International Strategy at the Institute of World Economics and Politics of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, has shown how “after the Belt and Road Initiative was proposed in 2013, China’s diplomacy has changed from maintaining a low profile to becoming more proactive in global affairs. But the policy of ‘partnership rather than alliance’ has not changed, and it is unlikely to change in the future. The indisputable fact is that the system of alliance diplomacy preferred by Western countries is the choice of a few countries in the world, and most countries choose non-aligned diplomacy. Besides, the vast majority of them are developing countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America.”

Atlanticists are desperate because the “system of alliance diplomacy” is on the wane. The overwhelming majority of the Global South is now being reconfigured as a newly energized Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) – as if Beijing had found a way to revive the Spirit of Bandung in 1955.

Chinese scholars are fond of quoting a 13th century imperial handbook, according to which policy changes should be “beneficial for the people”. If they only benefit corrupt officials, the result is luan (“chaos”). Thus the 21st century Chinese emphasis on pragmatic policy instead of ideology.

Rivaling informed parallels with the Tang and Ming dynasties, it’s actually the Yuan dynasty that offers a fascinating introduction to the inner workings of BRI.

So let’s go for a short trip back to the 13th century, when Genghis Khan’s immense empire was replaced by four khanates.

We had the Khanate of the Great Khan – which turned into the Yuan dynasty – ruling over China, Mongolia, Tibet, Korea and Manchuria.

We had the Ilkhanate, founded by Hulagu (the conqueror of Baghdad) ruling Iran, Iraq, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, parts of Anatolia and the Caucasus.

We had the Golden Horde ruling the northwestern Eurasian steppe, from eastern Hungary to Siberia, and most of all the Russian principalities.

And we had the Chaghadaid Khanate (named after Genghis Khan’s second son) ruling Central Asia, from eastern Xinjiang to Uzbekistan, until Tamerlane’s rise to power in 1370.

This era saw an enormous acceleration of trade along the Mongol Silk Roads.

All these Mongol-controlled governments privileged local and international commerce. That translated into a boom in markets, taxes, profits – and prestige. The khanates competed to get the best trading minds. They laid out the necessary infrastructure for transcontinental travel (13th century BRI, anyone?) And they opened the way for multiple East-West, trans-civilizational exchanges.

When the Mongols conquered the Song in southern China they even expanded overland Silk Roads trade into Maritime Silk Roads. The Yuan dynasty was now controlling China’s powerful southern ports. So when there was any kind of turbulence overland, trade switched to the seas.

The key axes were through the Indian Ocean, between south China and India, and between India and the Persian Gulf or the Red Sea.

Cargo was traveling overland to Iran, Iraq, Anatolia and Europe; by sea, through Egypt and the Mediterranean, to Europe; and from Aden to east Africa.

A slave trade maritime route between the Golden Horde’s ports on the Black Sea and Egypt – run by Muslim, Italian and Byzantine traders – was also in effect. The Black Sea ports transited luxury merchandise arriving overland from the East. And caravans traveled inland from the Indian coast during dangerous monsoon seasons.

This frantic commercial activity was the proto-BRI, which reached its apex in the 1320s and 1330s all the way to the collapse of the Yuan dynasty in 1368 in parallel to the Black Death in Europe and the Middle East. The key point: all the overland and maritime roads were interlinked. 21st century BRI planners benefit from a long historical memory.

“Nothing will fundamentally change”

ORDER IT NOW

Now compare this wealth of trade and cultural interchange with the pedestrian, provincial, anti-BRI and overall anti-China paranoia in the US. What we get is the State Dept. under exiting Mike “We Lie, We Cheat, We Steal” Pompeo issuing a paltry diatribe on the “China challenge”. Or the US Navy recommissioning the First Fleet, probably to be based in Perth, to “have an Indo-Pac footprint” and thus maintain “maritime dominance in an era of great power competition”.

More ominously, here is a summary of the humongous, 4,517-page, $740.5 billion National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) 2021, just approved by the House by 335 to 78 (Trump threatened to veto it).

This is about funding for the Pentagon next year – to be supervised in theory by the new Raytheon General, Lloyd Austin, the last “commanding General” of the US in Iraq who run CENTCOM from 2013 to 2016 and then retired for some juicy revolving door gigs such as the board of Raytheon and crucially, the board of ultra-toxic air, water, soil polluter Nucor.

Austin is a revolving door character who supported the war on Iraq, the destruction of Libya, and supervised the training of Syrian “moderate rebels” – a.k.a. recycled al-Qaeda – who killed countless Syrian civilians.

The NDAA, predictably, is heavy on “tools to deter China”.

That will include:

  1. A so-called “Pacific Deterrence Initiative (PDI), code for containment of China in the Indo-Pacific by boosting the Quad.
  2. Massive counter-intel operations.
  3. An offensive against “debt diplomacy”. That’s nonsense: BRI deals are voluntary, on a win-win basis, and open to renegotiation. Global South nations privilege them because loans are low-interest and long-term.
  4. Restructuring global supply chains which lead to the US. Good luck with that. Sanctions on China will remain in place.
  5. Across the board pressure forcing nations not to use Huawei 5G.
  6. Reinforcing Hong Kong and Taiwan as Trojan Horses to destabilize China.

Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe has already set the tone: “Beijing intends to dominate the US and the rest of the planet economically, militarily and technologically”. Be afraid, very much afraid of the evil Chinese Communist Party, “the greatest threat to democracy and freedom worldwide since World War II”.

There you go: Xi is the new Hitler.

So nothing will fundamentally change after January 2021 – as officially promised by Biden-Harris: it’s gonna be Hybrid War on China all over again, deployed all over the spectrum, as Beijing has perfectly understood.

So what? China’s industrial production will continue to grow while in the US it will continue to decline. There will be more breakthroughs by Chinese scientists such as the photonic quantum computing – which performed 2.6 billion years of computation in 4 minutes. And the 13th century Yuan dynasty spirit will keep inspiring BRI.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. If the Fed Gov had any interest in doing something for the US population, it would get rid of 90% of the useless military and shut down everything overseas. The money spent on these military adventures plus the 21 Trillion DOD and HUD can’t account for should give everyone a hint at what life could be like without this constant waste of resources.

    China is doing the right thing, for now. Sooner or later I expect them to become just as ruthless as the US because that’s what all gov’ts eventually do.

  2. Sean says:

    Dragon lady banging Trump’s greatest critic in congress, and Biden said Russia was the biggest threat to the presidential election. President to be Joe has repeatedly and publicly scoffed at the idea that China is competition for the US. During the Obama administration China (which has huge shale resources) was given US fracking technology. Biden said the other month that the U.S. should not fall behind China “or anyone else”. Anyone else, the man is living in a fantasy world. I agree with the post that the US is not going to stop even the military territorial aggrandisement of China,they are much too clever.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_salami_slicing#China’s_salami_slice_strategy
    China slices very thinly in a disaggregating manner by camouflaging offense as defense, which eventually cumulatively lead to large strategic gains and advantage for China, while it throws its targets off balance by undercutting target’s deterrence and presenting the target a Hobson’s choice of either silently suffering China’s salamai slicing or risk an expensive and dangerous war with China while placing the blame and burden of starting the war on opponent.[13] Quiet “salami slicing” rather than overt aggression is China’s favored strategy to gain strategic advantage by disregarding rule of law and risks of wider military escalation through “steady progression of small actions, none of which serves as a casus belli by itself, yet which over time lead cumulatively to a strategic transformation in China’s favor. China’s strategy aims to seriously limit the options of the targeted countries by confounding their deterrence plans and making it difficult for them to devise proportionate or effective counteractions.”

    • Replies: @MLK
  3. @RoatanBill

    It depends on what constitutes “useless military”. The Interstate Highway system was massively funded by the military and became a wonderful subsidy to the auto industry. The military was also involved in dredging the Mississippi up to Memphis to turn it into a “port”. Another great subsidy to business. There is a lot the military can be doing internally for any country, but that doesn`t help the arms manufacturers who rely on Pentagon pimps or the political whores for revenue.
    We dare not mention that the Cuban military, under Raoul Castro spent a lot of time doing public works projects.

  4. Notsofast says:

    China is doing the right thing, for now. Sooner or later I expect them to become just as ruthless as the US because that’s what all gov’ts eventually do… i was thinking about that recently, when they are sitting in the catbird seat i think we’re really going to get our noses rubbed in it. it’s a shame that we will end up suffering for the stupidity and hubris of our seemingly retarded “leaders”. payback’s a bitch.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams, Ugetit
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  5. It’s sad that the French of all people totally caved to the US. They are now McFrench.

  6. Chinese to be turned into superhuman soldiers riding polar bears.

    • Replies: @Realist
  7. A123 says:

    One still hopes that Führer Biden’s Blue Coup fails. Even if it succeeds there is little room for him to go soft.

    Look at how totally fictional “Russia, Russia, Russia…” prevented Trump from improving relations with Putin.

    Similarly, “China, China, China…” would cripple Führer Biden’s ability to service his #1 campaign donor Xi. For example:

    — Trump booted the NeoCons from the GOP, so the NeoConDemocrats have to push Führer Biden 110% to get their desired wars. The MIC would be happy with a tiolent Asian encounter. The NeoConDemocrats have spent decades wanting a do-over for Korea/Vietnam.

    — Re-Industrializion (e.g. resource extraction & manufacturing) = U.S. Jobs. Führer Biden cannot be seen to hurt Americans by giving those jobs to China.

    — 90%+ of the U.S. Population accepts that WUHAN-19 came from a CCP Bioweapon Virus Laboratory. Whether you agree or disagree with that determination it *IS* the public opinion. There is no way Führer Biden can be soft on the CCP Elites who inflicted the WUHAN-19 plague on the U.S.
    ___

    That being said, do not over-read the DOD document. There is a definite sliding scale where they actually do less than they say.

    — The U.S. has no interest in sub-Saharan Africa. Any stated resistance there is posturing.
    — Keeping the status quo for Tiawan and Japan works for both sides, so again the verbiage is just posturing.
    — The CCP is going to tank Chinese-Australian relations with no interference from the U.S. Again no reason for the U.S. to intervene or escalate.
    ___

    The author is over blowing the DOD document to generate an “exciting” article. The reality is that very little is going to happen intentionally.

    If there is a crisis, it will be started by an epic mistake that would never appear in a policy paper.

    PEACE 😇

    • Agree: Bardon Kaldian
    • Troll: showmethereal
  8. @A123

    What state of grief are you in, A123?

    • Replies: @A123
  9. A123 says:
    @Supply and Demand

    What state of grief are you in, A123?

    The grief that becomes rage.
    … The rage that becomes shared.
    … … The shared rage that wields TRUTH.
    … … … The shared TRUTH that unifies a Nation.
    … … … … The Nation that defeats National DNC Socialism.

    A little bold I admit, but having 18 states full of Patriots as my back-up is a strong position.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  10. @A123

    18 is 7 short of half. An apt metaphor for the Trump presidency.

    • Replies: @A123
  11. Biff says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I get what you’re saying but on the other side of the coin the military or specifically the army core of engineers is often off overseas doing more work than state side and such cases are like lake Pontchartrain next to New Orleans in that levee equipment and personnel were in Iraq at the time of hurricane Katrina(an American city gets devastated because conquering another country is more important). Of course the media did their duty to keep a lid on everything to keep W from looking even worse – “heck of a job Brownie”

    Yea, the military can do good things. The people in charge aren’t having any of it.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @The Soft Parade
  12. Levtraro says:

    It’s good to have multi-polarity in the state ecosystem. Given the lethality of modern weapons, multi-polarity decreases the chances of great wars, I reckon. Also it seems to me that competition between large states that can destroy each other is good for private humans. When the Soviet Union was around, American oligarchs and statemen treated their subjects a lot better than today, or so I’ve been told. So I for one welcome the rising power of China.

  13. History shows that 14th century Chinese expansion followed on the heels of the decimation of the European people which was caused by plague that originated in China. While history may not repeat itself, it certainly rhymes. Asian carp have destroyed the Wabash river, now this.

    Why don’t the proponents of globalism ever talk about the downside?

    From Wiki:

    “According to a team of medical geneticists led by Mark Achtman that analysed the genetic variation of the bacterium, Yersinia pestis “evolved in or near China”, from which it spread around the world in multiple epidemics. Later research by a team led by Galina Eroshenko places the origins more specifically in the Tian Shan mountains on the border between Kyrgyzstan and China.

    Nestorian graves dating to 1338–1339 near Issyk-Kul in Kyrgyzstan have inscriptions referring to plague, which has led some historians and epidemiologists to think they mark the outbreak of the epidemic. Others favor an origin in China. According to this theory, the disease may have travelled along the Silk Road with Mongol armies and traders, or it could have arrived via ship. Epidemics killed an estimated 25 million across Asia during the fifteen years before the Black Death reached Constantinople in 1347….

    Spread of plague in western Eurasia, 1346–1353.
    The seventh year after it began, it came to England and first began in the towns and ports joining on the seacoasts, in Dorsetshire, where, as in other counties, it made the country quite void of inhabitants so that there were almost none left alive.
    … But at length it came to Gloucester, yea even to Oxford and to London, and finally it spread over all England and so wasted the people that scarce the tenth person of any sort was left alive.

    Geoffrey the Baker, Chronicon Angliae
    European outbreak
    Plague was reportedly first introduced to Europe via Genoese traders from their port city of Kaffa in the Crimea in 1347. During a protracted siege of the city, in 1345–1346 the Mongol Golden Horde army of Jani Beg, whose mainly Tatar troops were suffering from the disease, catapulted infected corpses over the city walls of Kaffa to infect the inhabitants, though it is more likely that infected rats travelled across the siege lines to spread the epidemic to the inhabitants. As the disease took hold, Genoese traders fled across the Black Sea to Constantinople, where the disease first arrived in Europe in summer 1347.”

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @padre
  14. Ugetit says:
    @Biff

    Thanks.

    I, myself, would have never connected those dots in a thousand years.

  15. A123 says:
    @Supply and Demand

    18 is 7 short of half. An apt metaphor for the Trump presidency.

    When it goes 25 will you surrender?

    At 26+ it will be an apt metaphor for a President who unified the nation. Right now it is a leading indicator. I believe that KY & AZ joined over night, so call it 20 so far.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  16. Realist says:
    @Curmudgeon

    It depends on what constitutes “useless military”. The Interstate Highway system was massively funded by the military and became a wonderful subsidy to the auto industry. The military was also involved in dredging the Mississippi up to Memphis to turn it into a “port”. Another great subsidy to business.

    But civilian infrastructure should not be under the auspices of the military.

    • Replies: @A123
  17. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    I agree with your comments.

    China is doing the right thing, for now. Sooner or later I expect them to become just as ruthless as the US because that’s what all gov’ts eventually do.

    Let’s hope China is smarter than that. If you and I know that perhaps, Chinese leaders will too.

  18. No one, especially a divisive blowhard like Mr. Trump, could ever unify a nation which no longer exists. That ship sailed long ago when the nation-destroying 1965 Hart-Celler Immigration Act was passed. Trump’s new acting Defense Secretary better be ready to mobilize all available troops quickly to defend the homeland if the “conservative” Supreme Court has the guts (I doubt if they do) to overturn this most fraudulent election.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Seraphim
  19. Realist says:
    @Priss Factor

    China doesn’t need Canada to train its military in cold weather warfare. It gets plenty cold in northern China. If they need it colder they can get help from Russia.

    This is being done as a subterfuge.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Bill Jones
    , @Bookish1
  20. A123 says:
    @Realist

    But civilian infrastructure should not be under the auspices of the military.

    Most “National Security” infrastructure is dual use. The military will need it if there is a crisis, but civilians can benefit from it during peace time.

    The Army Corps of Engineers is responsible for river levees. River traffic is essential to military logistics and supply. There is only one Mississippi river, so the military must also support civilian uses.

    Curmudgeon is not wrong. This can readily lead to skullduggery where primarily civilian projects are given a military priority. However, the other options are likely worse. Competing civilian agencies are well known for creating “foul synergy” and unintended negative consequences.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Realist
  21. A123 says:
    @follyofwar

    Trump’s new acting Defense Secretary better be ready to mobilize all available troops quickly to defend the homeland if the “conservative” Supreme Court has the guts (I doubt if they do) to overturn this most fraudulent election.

    Blue Nazis, in Blue cities, located in Blue states burning their own stuff….. This does not require a military response. And, odds are high that the Blue State Governors would try to block such a deployment. If Team Swastika Blue wants to rampage because they did not get their Führer Biden, the needs are:

    — Containing the Blue Swastika SJW Malcontents
    — Protecting Patriot Red areas

    This is unlikely to require a full military call up.

    PEACE 😇

  22. anon[410] • Disclaimer says:

    Related question for the commentariat: the astute Xymph reads Greenwald’s article as Sinophobic,

    https://xymphora.blogspot.com/2020/12/falun-glenn.html

    But it seems to me there’s no yellow peril stuff in there at all. How do you conduct foreign affairs with a kleptocracy? You parley with the kleptocrats, of course. In China’s case, that’s Wall Street. Everybody knows the Bidens are crooked fucks – who is surprised that China bribes them too?

    There’s nothing sinophobic about mentioning China in the context of Biden’s corruption. He’ll take a bag of money from anybody.

    The angle that interests me more is China blurting out this awkward fact. It strikes me as possible unrestricted warfare – which all boils down to China doing our civic duty for us, exploding the US government’s residual legitimacy and helping it collapse and get replaced.

    BRI mutual benefit works for democratic societies, but not for kleptocratic police states like the US. Does Pepe know Di to ask around?

  23. Realist says:
    @A123

    Most “National Security” infrastructure is dual use. The military will need it if there is a crisis, but civilians can benefit from it during peace time.

    The military does not need to be involved in US infrastructure, that is a ruse…since there is no chance the US can be invaded by a foreign military.

    • Replies: @A123
  24. @A123

    You’re running out of Republican AGs! That said, we’re far past the point in which John Roberts would turn against his Chinese Masters. Enjoy the next week or so of false hope — though I’m sure Team Trump will find new ways to psychically grift you.

  25. d dan says:
    @RoatanBill

    “China is doing the right thing, for now. Sooner or later I expect them to become just as ruthless as the US because that’s what all gov’ts eventually do.”

    There are many ways government evolves, de-generates and eventually collapses: through corruptions, through infighting, through revolution, through external aggression, military adventures, etc. No, I don’t expect China to be as ruthless as the US – the ONLY country in the history that has used all forms of WMD (nuclear, chemical, biological), multiple times, continuously engages in wars for 200 years (mostly non-defensive, and without proper congressional authorization), subverts in over 100 (friendly, unfriendly and neutral) countries, endless economic, psyops, cyber, propaganda aggressions against civilians (foreign or not) … etc.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
  26. Anonymous[350] • Disclaimer says:

    ‘Photonic quantum computing’ – that is getting close to building a machine which can answer any possible question put to it, ie, getting closer to the elixir of eternal youth itself.

    Interesting times.

    • Replies: @Kapyong
  27. A123 says:
    @Realist

    The military does not need to be involved in US infrastructure, that is a ruse…since there is no chance the US can be invaded by a foreign military.

    The U.S. Is a two coast nation. Are you saying that it has no interesting moving supplies from East to West?

    Are you saying all munitions must be manufactured on a coastline so that it can go immediately on a ship?

    While interesting as an ideal, it lacks real world viability. In practice any offshore military venture involves an onshore military logistics effort. And, civilian infrastructure is less than reliable.

    Remember Minneapolis 2007?

    PEACE 😇
     

    • Replies: @Realist
  28. Realist says:
    @A123

    The U.S. Is a two coast nation. Are you saying that it has no interesting moving supplies from East to West?

    The military doesn’t need jurisdiction over the infrastructure to be able to move materiel.

    In practice any offshore military venture involves an onshore military logistics effort.

    There should not be any offshore military venture.

    And, civilian infrastructure is less than reliable.

    That is because too much money is wasted on the military.

    I have made my points clear…if they still seem unclear to you…move on to bother someone else.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @A123
  29. @RoatanBill

    China is doing the right thing, for now. Sooner or later I expect them to become just as ruthless as the US because that’s what all gov’ts eventually do.

    Having had been the most powerful nation in much of human history, had you seen the Chinese invade the world as the West had done? It’s foolish to view the Chinese through western lens.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
  30. Seraphim says:
    @follyofwar

    One may wonder if it ever existed.

  31. @Passerby60

    What long dead Chinese did ages ago doesn’t mean their modern descendants will follow their example. The Chinese aren’t stupid. They learn and respond to situations.

    The Chinese political class is every bit as corrupt as any other country’s. Given that their population can’t grow all the food they need or mine the minerals they want within China, tells me they are just as likely to use force to achieve their goals as the US is. At the very least, a prudent person doesn’t take a nuclear power for being a big teddy bear.

    What’s foolish is to think any country’s leaders are people with morals and ethics.

  32. A123 says:
    @Realist

    RealityDenier,

    You stand for the fantasy of unilateral disarmament… A painfully naive and self destructive world view. You are entitled to the inevitable consequence of your folly.

    A word of caution. Others have tried the Reality Denial that you suggest. They are all; (a) Dead; (b) Enslaved; (c) Worse than Dead or Enslaved.

    I will not try to help you anymore if you go away.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @frankie p
    , @anonymous
  33. Avianthro says:

    Yes, and so on it goes, power games between us-es and thems.

    Nothing new under the sun.

    We can’t expect the US empire to just roll over and give up to the Chinese, can we?

    Of course not, but does the globalplex financial brain see much reason left to care about the US contingent, if there really is much of one anyway since the elites of the US are also globally invested?

    The Chinese, with a bit of help from Russia, are building a new empire rivaling the US.

    They may be using some strategy and tactics from the Yuan Dynasty’s playbook, and they are indeed building a dynasty.

    As Chuang Tzu’s debate partner, Hui Shi, would remind us:

    “The sun at noon is the sun setting. The thing born is the thing dying.”

    The US empire had its birth, and is now in its decline. So too will this new Chinese dynasty.

    Will this new Chinese dynasty outlast the approx 100 years that the Yuan Dynasty had?

    In the meantime: Will China’s hyper-technocratic political economy come up with a few new ‘ice-nines’ to hang the threat of extinction over our heads and keep humanity marching toward Borgdom? Yes, they’ll do even better at that than the US empire did.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  34. @RoatanBill

    What long dead Chinese did ages ago doesn’t mean their modern descendants will follow their example. The Chinese aren’t stupid. They learn and respond to situations.

    As a reader of Unz.com I would have assumed that you believed that behavior is inheritable. But never mind.

    And BTW there is a lot of accountability in the China’s political class because it is meritocratic, and thousands of officials had been punished for wrongdoings of their own, or even of their family members. Therefore it is a baseless accusation that the Chinese political class is every bit as corrupt as the US, for example. Was there any person punished for the fake WMD evidence that started the Iraqi war? Or who started the world financial crisis? Or allowed the 737 Max to fly? Or who went to Epstein’s island?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  35. @Passerby60

    I believe that behavior is learned by example. Any instinctual component is outweighed by social forces a person is indoctrinated in.

    Although the Chinese gov’t does contain many very intelligent people with scientific and engineering degrees, they are still a bunch of politicians that rig the system they created to benefit themselves. It’s called government. It’s an artificially produced hierarchy of sociopaths at the top that dictate what the peons are allowed and commanded to do. If it were organic, I’d have a different opinion.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  36. China has a rapidly aging, probably declining, population, it’s already accumulated massive debt at every level of society, it’s GDP per capita is six times lower than the USA at $10,300, and it can’t even dominate a tiny sparsely populated island a few miles from it’s coast (Taiwan). I highly doubt China is the next superpower. By some measures, it’s already in decline.

  37. @Curmudgeon

    The Corps of Engineers is a good example of why putting the military in charge of anything is a bad idea. The levees they built protecting New Orleans were not up to the task of holding back a hundred-year flood. The Corps knew it, but did nothing to fix them. So, when Katrina came, New Orleans drowned.

    Other half-assed boondoggles by the Corps include damming rivers, thus destroying valuable salmon fisheries and forests, and nearly destroying the Everglades by installing an unneeded but hugely expensive drainage scheme, causing periodic fires. We need them the way we need a hole in the head.

    • Agree: GMC
  38. @RoatanBill

    You are correct – but they could care less about the “little people” in the US. Get them drunk wall watching American football and chant USA USA USA…. Meanwhile their quality of life keeps slipping just to maintain a global military empire. That’s why the Germans laugh at the demand to spend 2% of GDP on the military. They basically say “nah you go ahead”.

    • Agree: Montefrío
  39. @Curmudgeon

    I think that’s kind of the point – the Interstate System (inspired by the Nazis building the Autobahn) and the dredging the Mississippi is “DEFENSE”. Routan’s comment clearly referenced all the overseas bases. If the US focused really on defense it could cut the budget in half

  40. @Notsofast

    But all don’t eventually do it… China’s problem historically is that once it gets to the top and is there for a while – it closes itself in and avoids dealing with the outside world as much as possible – thereby missing things that would help it rejuvenate itself.

  41. In 2005, Tony Blair and baby Bush organized complete debt forgiveness to the 14 poorest countries and considerabel relief to others. Development Aid is no longer given by Western countries to governments in poor, corrupt countries. Aid, in considerable amounts, is given directly to small communities and SMEs. Projects might involve schools, solar power installers, bicycle repairers etc.

    Meanwhile, the governments having been freed of Western debt turn to China for corruption money, the residue after Chinese construction companies have recycled the “aid” back to China. The poorest countries are again going to be saddled with debt and like Western donors before it, China will not get its money back.

    The Spice Route outcompeted the Silk Road anyway.

    It is easy to over emphasise the presence of modern China in the world. It is 20 years too early to think of China having any real control in Asia and Africa.

  42. My goodness, the sore losers and crybaby snowflakes really need to suck it up and move on.

    The MAGA tears are like a river. And the main source is the fat bloated leech called crybaby loser Trump.

    • Troll: Lee, Peripatetic Itch
  43. @Christian Talour

    Do you really understand why GDP per capita being 6x lower than the US?
    China’s is that low because of exchange rate. But purchasing power is another story.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2019-12-24/china-surpasses-the-us-in-wealth-of-top-10

    The white US population birth rate is below replacement. The US only way to grow is importing immigrants. Well China has hundreds of millions of “immigrants” within it’s own borders… Those people will move to the cities and ultimately into the middle class. China is nowhere close to being as urbanized as first world countries and that is why it keeps growing so rapidly even though the Gordon Chang types have been saying it was to collapse 20 years ago.

    Mainland China could obliterate Taiwan tomorrow just with it’s rockets and missiles. Why won’t it?? Why should it? to prove to you that it’s tough?? The people in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese people – so killing them would make no sense. the PRC leaders aren’t as dumb as you think. Don’t you see what happened in Hong Kong…?? The foreigners backing the rioters were hoping they would send out the army and shoot a lot of rioters. Well the PLA did go out on to the streets of Hong Kong. They went to sweep up the bricks that the rioters had been throwing. Like the BRI it was a master stroke. Like Deng told Nixon/Kissinger regarding Taiwan – (paraphrase) “we can wait another 100 years”. China doesn’t work by 4 year election cycles.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Biff
    , @last straw
  44. Mainland China could obliterate Taiwan tomorrow just with it’s rockets and missiles. Why won’t it?? Why should it? to prove to you that it’s tough?? The people in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese people – so killing them would make no sense.

    You are correct. The 70-year old “China will soon invade Taiwan” lie is a perpetual talking point from America’s corrupt military-industrial-congressional complex.

  45. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    Well the PLA did go out on to the streets of Hong Kong. They went to sweep up the bricks that the rioters had been throwing.

    That was a master stroke. Those conniving Americans wanted a repeat of Tiananmen and there was no shortage of willing martyrs. Public opinion have turned now as the economy have been devastated and I am so glad all that shit is over now. CCP needs to address the underlying structural problems such as high property prices and the fifth column in HK or this will just come back and haunt us in a few years.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  46. Chinaman says:
    @Avianthro

    Go read your Chinese history again. Yuan and Ching was foreign occupation from Northern barbarians. The shortest dynasty ruled by Hans was at least 200 years. China is at the beginning of its golden age now. The last time it happened was a thousand years ago. Every Chinese feels it and this is our time.

    There is nothing America can do to stop this. Just get out of the way, will you?

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  47. Kapyong says:
    @Anonymous

    ‘Photonic quantum computing’ – that is getting close to building a machine which can answer any possible question put to it

    Q: “Is this a question which cannot be answered ?”

  48. Biff says:
    @showmethereal

    The people in Taiwan are ethnic Chinese people – so killing them would make no sense.

    Correct, and you have to keep in mind the Tiananmen Square ruse is bullshit. The only country I can think of that slaughters it’s own with impunity and zero guilt is the United States.

    Waco is the best example, among the many.

    Murder rate
    America 5.3 per 100,000
    China 0.6 per 100,000

    Police killings
    America 35 per 10 million
    China 0.7 per 10 million

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  49. Dingbat says:

    Escobar does well here.
    If anyone is interested in understanding Zhong(China) I recommend daodejing. Zhongwen (Chinese) is meaningfully structured on this approximately 2500 yr old text, which is in turn structured on folk wisdom recorded on turtle shells and bones and also of course verbally from about 5000BCE in legend.
    This sense of time or humour is well expressed to begin section 25 of daodejing. My rendition starts:

    All intimates what is before all
    Sound less
    Space less
    Change less
    Name less

    And ends:

    dao allows want

    Hopefully this will give the reader a sense of the meaning of time in Zhongwen, which should in turn give the reader a sense of the present in Zhongwen. This sense should give the reader a sense of why I use the word humour above, for time in Zhongwen is closely associated with great suffering in Zhong.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
  50. My predictions:

    1. The “USA” and its so-called allies will make war upon China relatively soon. I’m guessing in the 18-24 month range. There will be an ever-escalating and ever more shrill deluge of anti-Chinese propaganda leading up to this.

    2. There will be a false flag event to trigger the war like 9/11. Perhaps CNN or BBC will obtain a “report” claiming Corona was a Chinese bioweapon after all.

    3. It will not be WW3. Most of the action will take place as skirmishes in the South China Sea, with perhaps the pathetic Indian puppets engaging in a land war as well.

    4. This will last for many, many years. Both sides will be bogged in a stalemate and neither will truly “win”.

    5. After many years, the sides will come to a treaty or agreement of some sort. China will finally agree to allow the Jews control of their financial sector, government, and media from behind the scenes. China will also agree to become a more “diverse” nation.

    The only thing I am uncertain about is whether the Jews will attempt to quickly take out Iran before this all starts, or whether Iran may even join the conflict on China’s side if not. Russia will not be a problem; they may condemn the USA’s actions verbally, but will sit on the sidelines and do nothing but wait to play their role as “#1 Threat” again in the rotation.

    • Replies: @Montefrío
    , @Hiram of Tyre
  51. John Hagan says: • Website

    That the chinese money system (computerised electronic) will do away with physical cash or dollars in all those countries that BRI covers and use the Chinese cashless apps will spell the slow but inevitable end for the US dollar. The transactions will start small and local but will eventually prevail overall other. Already the ‘SWIFT’ money transferr system is being outclassed by other players in cluding the Chinese which already has the largest volume of trade on the planet.

    US weapons are many yet they cannot protect their homeland so if they strike anyone with nucelar weapons that will be returned therefore they cannot attack Russia or China unless suicide and those with money in the US will not allow that.

    Now think about the money … presently the US is sanctioning China and China is sanctioning Australia. Can and will the US assist Australia and if so how? Sell Australia 10 x F35 aircraft? Correct the trade inbalance with Australia whereas the US runs a positive balance.

    This same senario will play out with most of the US ‘allies’ until they recognize the economic reality that their prosperity is more dependent on China than the US.

  52. El Dato says:

    That NDAA is completely bonkers. Like being emitted from a geriatric pensioner talking about his memories of Kursk and how the SS kicked ass. Where is that kind of money?

    It’s good that there is still space in there to protect the poor Europeans from evil Russian gas by sanctioning North Stream II participants. Can’t be too careful. That gas might be antisemitic for all we know.

  53. padre says:
    @ThreeCranes

    This is like white scientists researching how white race is supperior!

    • Replies: @p4nc4k3s Pl34s3
  54. frankie p says:
    @RoatanBill

    The Chinese political class is every bit as corrupt as any other country’s.

    Absolute nonsense. Politics and the political class are greatly influenced by culture, money, ideology, etc. The US political class is FAR MORE corrupt than the Chinese political class. The US political class (and that of most western European nations) has completely sold out its population for 30 pieces of silver tossed by Jews, but not “the Jews”. The culture that influences these nations is a corrupt culture slowly spoon fed to western countries by Jews, but not “the Jews”. The userers, the corporate fatcat Jews have trained western elites to be creatures who worship Mammon, and understand that going against the money Jews will result in the end of their political careers. Hence, they stomp on the head and backs of their own people, stab them in the back, and spit on them to keep their positions. And you say the Chinese political class is every bit as corrupt as that of the US? After you said in your first comment that China is doing the right thing?

    Sometimes the heady whiff of your libertarianism makes you unhinged as an analyst.

    The corruption in China resides in the lower levels of government and the Communist Party. The higher levels have mechanisms to try to root it out and punish the perpetrators, but it’s a difficult and ongoing task. What did Mao say? Fish don’t swim in pure water, and I paraphrase. Corruption will never disappear, but if the higher levels of government fight against it, it can be controlled somewhat, as it is in China. I’m not saying that corruption is gone or will go away in China, but it is discouraged from the top.

    What’s foolish is to think any country’s leaders are people with morals and ethics.

    The complete dearth of moral and ethical leaders in the west have made you believe this, but I look at outcomes for the general population as a gauge for the morals and ethics of leaders. China is doing pretty well. It’s very unfortunate that so many people in the world are brainwashed that as long a country adopts western style “Democracy”, everything will be hunky dory. It’s utter tripe. The true test is the outcome for the common man in the nation. I don’t attribute ALL of the great success of China to the Communist Party, but they have certainly been majority contributors in past decades to miracle.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Realist
  55. Ed Case says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Okay, but America could invade Taiwan under a pretext, say another Gulf of Tonkin type episode.
    Would Taiwan resist?
    Depends, that would be styled a “communist insurgency” and Taiwan would get the Vietnam treatment.
    Eventually, America calls it quits and the Chinese move in unhindered.

  56. frankie p says:
    @A123

    You stand for Jews and Israel. People who stand for Jews and Israel, especially American Jews, will NEVER support the idea of a cutback in the US military. This insistence on more and more military spending has absolutely nothing to do with the defense needs of the United States of America, and everything to do with its capacity to wage war for the benefit of Israel. Therefore, people like you must be outed as unpatriotic Americans who serve a different nation. The standard of living of the average American has not fallen enough for them to start to think about who is responsible for their ever-worsening lot (I absolutely HATE to use that word because of the evil troll on the UNZ Review who goes by that name), but they will wake up eventually.

    I, for one, can’t wait.

    • Agree: Realist
  57. @RoatanBill

    The chinese are not seeking to be the next hegemon. They want a multipolar world.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  58. @Carlton Meyer

    I actually think it will invade. Especially after the events of the last two years. It has a cost/benefit calculation. All the cost concerns are gone as USA already made them a reality. All that is left is the benefit. There is nothing but upside to a Taiwan invasion now for the Chinese.

  59. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Whether you agree or disagree with that determination it *IS* the public opinion.

    Public opinion in many cases means diddly-squat.

    You know, when you consider the kind of “public opinion” which propels despicable pagan godless lowlifes such as yourself in believing pagan fantasies of mangods-worship, putting faith in a gutter degenerate (which is quite typical of scum like you) with his pathetic bleats of “we won BY A LOT!!,” etc.

    The latest appears to be that your SCROTUM has given the finger to that amoral sewer-turd. So, what now, Losers?

  60. @Realist

    It’s probably just a nice little stick in the eye of the Yanks.
    If they’re having to turn Sauron’s eye north to Canada, they’re spending less time with the baleful gaze on China’s south.
    Plus, It made me smile (and that’s always high on Xi’s to-do list).

    • Replies: @Realist
  61. @RoatanBill

    “ Although the Chinese gov’t does contain many very intelligent people with scientific and engineering degrees, they are still a bunch of politicians that rig the system they created to benefit themselves.“

    Governments have all a tendency towards corruption, very much true, as power corrupts. Yet compare the performance of the Chinese ruling class to their American counterparts, and you will notice that the Chinese managed to pull hundreds of millions from poverty towards the middle class whereas in America there has been a steady erosion of the middle class with 78% of the American population living paycheque to paycheque ( trendresearch.com).

    When comparing the Chinese to the Westerners, we are talking about radically different cultures. Here we are contrasting Judeo/Pseudo Christianity ( as Judeo/Christianity is an oxymoron) with Confucian ideology and that makes for a world of difference. Will the Chinese get more arrogant as their power and wealth grows? you bet. Will they embrace pillaging at the point of the sword? nothing in China’s long history proves that this was the case whereas Western history from the rise of the Roman Empire till today has been nothing more than relentless expropriation of weaker parties’ resources through sheer brutality.

    It is true that the past is not always a guide to the future. Yet, for a world that has endured so many criminal acts at the hands of Westerners guided by their elitist class or their Zionist bankers, I would bet that no matter what, things under Chinese domination will never be worse than they had been under Western hegemony.

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Montefrío
    , @Nancy
    , @RoatanBill
  62. @frankie p

    The Chinese have learned how to be corrupt from the west. Don’t the Chinese use the Jews fiat money system and fractional reserve banking? That system alone leads to all the other corruption every nation is plagued with.

    The Chinese don’t need the Jews because they are the new Jews. They are lending to a huge portion of the world and when the debtors can’t pay, they’ll take over as part of a contract.

    The US builds bridges to nowhere. The Chinese build whole cities that sit empty for decades just to keep their Ponzi scheme going.

    • Agree: Montefrío
  63. @Astuteobservor II

    In years to come, the Chinese will be taking over the huge infrastructure projects they’re building under contract and lending the money for when the debtors can’t pay. They learned this trick from the World Bank, Jews, etc.

    • Replies: @Nancy
    , @Astuteobservor II
  64. anonymous[378] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    Others have tried the Reality Denial

    Yes, indeed… many of them, like racist faeces-for-brains like you, ended up as pagan godless phuck-ups… like you!

  65. I get Pepe Escobar is rooting for China to overcome the USA. Both countries are subsets of the Rothschild empire, so I suspect it is nothing more then a designed replacement project. That’s just me. However I don’t understand why he is hellbent and giddy over some central Asian backwaters being hooked into a matrix just because it will be a Chinese one. There needs to be an international “hicks united to get off our backs.” Seriously the new Silk Road won’t be good for the ethnic history and culture.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Abhraka
  66. frankie p says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    I agree that China will only attack Taiwan as a last resort, or if a number of red lines are crossed, among them the Taiwanese making bold moves towards independence, the stationing of US troops on Taiwan, a large increase in Taiwan buying US weapons, and moves from the international community to recognize Taiwan as a country.

    I have been shocked and somewhat scared by the ratcheting up of animosity between Taiwan and China, brought about by a combination of the US desire to use Taiwan as a (disposable) containment tool against China and the current DPP administration allowing this to happen while it focuses on its number one objective, which seems to be a PR campaign to show the west how progressive, democratic and woke Taiwan is. It’s bizarre. The reason this leaves me somewhat scared is that I live in Taiwan.

    Your analysis of the military capabilities of Taiwan (the ROC) are outdated and inaccurate. 2 million men? Preposterous! The ROC military has about 165,000 active personnel. Counting the 1.6 million “reserves” is a joke. Keep in mind that “reserves” means every man who completed his mandatory military service, regardless of age or the fact that he has not trained or reported for duty since he finished his service. Therefore, my 51 year old brother in law is a member of the reserves, although he has had no contact with the military since he finished his service 30 years ago. Add to this the fact that there is absolutely NO organization from the military for a mechanism for mustering reserves.

    Finally, the video, again showing a Cold War attitude toward modern military and regional realities, focuses on the difficulty of a coastal assault by China. You do understand, I hope, that China would not attack the coast and invade. The process would start with a blocking of shipping ports and then a missile barrage that would seek to decapitate the government leadership and destroy military bases, especially air and naval bases. At this point negotiations would begin.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @GMC
    , @denk
  67. @Chinaman

    There is nothing America can do to stop this. Just get out of the way, will you?

    Better the world be nuked then live under the yoke of Red Tyranny Combo Plate #42.

  68. Realist says:
    @frankie p

    The US political class is FAR MORE corrupt than the Chinese political class. The US political class (and that of most western European nations) has completely sold out its population for 30 pieces of silver tossed by Jews, but not “the Jews”.

    To me, there is no doubt the US is the most corrupt country on the planet.

    It’s very unfortunate that so many people in the world are brainwashed that as long a country adopts western style “Democracy”, everything will be hunky dory. It’s utter tripe. The true test is the outcome for the common man in the nation.

    As always in history, Democracy has failed again. The only form of government with a chance of success is one based on merit…a Meritocracy…such as the one in China. The US has been overwhelmed by avarice.

    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  69. Realist says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    Both countries are subsets of the Rothschild empire, so I suspect it is nothing more then a designed replacement project.

    Give a citation of China being a subset of the Rothschild empire?

  70. “And the 13th century Yuan dynasty spirit will keep inspiring BRI.”

    And you, Pepe, will keep feeding at the Chinese trough…

  71. Realist says:
    @frankie p

    Taiwan and Hong Kong are part of China the sooner the estrangement ends the better. This hostility is being encouraged by the US, in a futile attempt to slow the rapid advancement of Chinese world leadership.

  72. profnasty says:

    Whilst America sinks into a malarial swamp, BigGub has brought in millions of yel/tan white collar workers. Blue collar is now all mex/brown.
    Soon, White men will be a 15% hated minority. Watch for Jews to officially declare their separation from the White race.
    War with China??
    War with Russia??
    What a joke it’s on US.

    • Replies: @Bork
  73. @Passerby60

    What a pathetic thread. China is going nowhere and was not the “most powerful nation in the world”, ever. They spent almost the entirety of their existence under servitude to illiterate tribesmen flinging arrows from the north.

    I know you pathetic dipshits hate America but you’re going to have to find a better underdog to eclipse it.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @denk
  74. MLK says:
    @Sean

    I’ll begin where I always feel the need to on this subject. China won the post-Cold War quarter century, hands down.

    Rarely is there such clarity in the short-term in geopolitics. The Soviet Union collapsed and China made the best of the post-Tiananmen period. It had a lot of help, most of the “We’ll sell you the rope . . .” variety, but there’s no point in stomping your feet over it.

    It’s worth dividing this period between Clinton/Bush and then the Obama era. In the former, China hid its growing strength and plans. Pushing on an open door with the American governing and business classes, feeding the public chaff about human rights pressure along with the occasional shouting for show about currency manipulation.

    The Obama presidency was not coincidentally tuned for China’s coming out party. As I’ve also pointed out many times, if you cannot recognize that something is terribly awry when the USG deliberately pushes Russia into a strategic alliance with China then you should occupy your time with another subject.

    Watch the full video of the September, 2016, G20 in Hangzhou, China if you’re still unconvinced that Obama and his administration wasn’t in any meaningful sense committed to the US national interest. He was treated like a coolie, after failing in his China-assigned task of pushing through TPP to cap his intended to fail Asia Pivot.

  75. Realist says:
    @Bill Jones

    It’s probably just a nice little stick in the eye of the Yanks.

    Plus, It made me smile (and that’s always high on Xi’s to-do list).

    Yes, China is a type of Meritocracy…which will always beat a Democracy where idiots are allowed to hold office and vote. But the US Democracy is a sham…it is now a Plutocratic Oligarchy…with no Meritocracy.

    • Agree: Biff
  76. GMC says:
    @frankie p

    Welcome to ground Zero Frank – lol – I thought the perfect time for the Chinese to take back Formosa, was right after the Nam War. But the Chinese weren’t strong enough then. I remember our base there and Taipei and Toroko gorge excursions – pretty place back then. If the Taiwanese Government is dumb enough to draw China into a war – then they deserve to die, but not all the people. I hope your reasoning of negotiations pan out before the missiles start to fly. South Korea could get interesting, if China starts talking to North Korea – before/during the negotiations – the US media would love to extort that one. oo dah chee F P

    • Replies: @frankie p
  77. @Realist

    “To me, there is no doubt the US is the most corrupt country on the planet.”

    I don’t know about that. Our British brethren seem to be pretty much in a race with the USA in that regard, and I’m not sure who is ‘winning’.

    “As always in history, Democracy has failed again. The only form of government with a chance of success is one based on merit…a Meritocracy…such as the one in China. The US has been overwhelmed by avarice.”

    Agree completely. True meritocracy is a gold standard among governmental concepts, that, if not corrupted, offers the best chance for humans to flourish and excel on all levels, no matter what the governmental structure, including democracy. But what to do about those who aren’t ‘up to snuff’ or ‘have what it takes’ to move ahead on merit?

    The Bell Curve tells us that with nearly 50% of the people having double-digit IQs, democracy is easily perverted by well-crafted lies and subversion from those in power and controlling the narrative. It’s as nauseating to watch as it is inevitable. Yet giving people at least some (illusory) participation in how they are ruled is essential for government to function on a long term basis, without draconian authoritarianism/totalitarianism.

    I look at the present Chinese government as a hybrid that unites socialism and capitalism with meritocratic Confucianism in a fairly workable alliance that is currently satisfying the needs of its worst-off reasonably well, which is similar to the preferred outcome described in Rawls’ “A Theory of Justice”. Compared to America, they’re practically angelic in that regard, while the leadership in the USA appears uniformly satanic in how it treats its most vulnerable and, to an ever-growing extent, its lower-to-middle class. And it is rapidly worsening.

    But the rapid drift of ALL governments towards surveillance states is very troubling indeed. And while it seems that the Chinese government may have its people’s best interests at heart currently, all it takes is for a leader like Xi to meet an ‘unfortunate’ end accidentally or by illness, and for a more ruthless set of leaders to take control, and a nightmare of unparalleled proportions could arise, as appears to be happening across the West presently.

    Of course, it all boils down to that pesky thing called ‘human nature’, which we’ve been grappling with since the beginning of ‘civilization’: how to control our base animal instincts (selfishness, greed, avarice) and live in peace and harmony with our neighbors and our surroundings.

    Sadly, it seems that we, as a species, are heading into another dark age of oppression, spurred on by technological advances and the concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands that appear to be unremittingly psychopathic and cruelly selfish, and I don’t see any real off-ramps ahead for the vast majority of us caught up in this unfolding nightmare, including the Chinese. I’d like to think China will continue on its current path and set an admirable example for others to follow, but like Pepe Escobar, I’m afraid there are powers that want that path to end in failure, one way or another…….

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @anon
  78. Dumb old Pepe doesn’t understand or care that China is an ultra nationalist imperial project!!!!

    Nope, he just keeps plodding away with this nonsense about how fantastic this belt and road thing is,even though its just another form of imperialism

    Marx would have seen it for what it is,so would Lenin,monopoly control of the global economy via 5G and other technologies just like the Nazis used IG Farben used chemicals,so yes Pepe, the current Chinese leader is just like Hitler,oh, and Don’t forget Pepe the Chinese murdered 300 MILLION unborn children!

    Unfortunately Pepe is just another sad and angry person and apologist for Chinese imperialism

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
    • Troll: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  79. Agent76 says:

    Dec 2, 2020 China Is Trying to Crush Australia

    China Australia tensions are at an all time high after Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian took tot Twitter for to make a tweet about alleged Australia war crimes.

    Nov 29, 2020 Henry Kissinger Wants to Dictate China Policy

    As the US election lumbers towards an eventual conclusion, the world is wondering how Joe Biden China relations would differ from Trump China relations, with his team of China hawks like Mike Pompeo. But Kissinger is responsible for decades of failed China US policy.

    • Replies: @profnasty
    , @Sean
    , @HeebHunter
    , @denk
  80. @Passerby60

    My Ivy university major was Asian Studies when that was already a serious though then under-appreciated field. Even then (late 60s-early 70s) serious study of China’s history indicated that China had long been a culture without expansionist (outside its proper sphere) interests. I’m no longer sure this is the case, however. China is in the world now, and at a time when the flagship of the West has sprung major leaks. The Chinese implemented fore-and-aft rigging for sailing vessels nearly a thousand years before the West. but their vision then was almost entirely land-based and “introspective”: this is no longer true. Their “invasions” will be economically oriented at a distance, perhaps militarily with respect to contiguous or at least proximate nations. The USA would be well advised to pay less rapacious interest to the Southern Hemisphere in the West, i.e. Latin America, the region I for one consider the “Final Frontier” for Western civilization. The Kahal and Puritan hegemony has had its day, but its sunset is fast approaching.

  81. @Dingbat

    Interesting rendition of chapter 25, but I’ll stick with that of Red Pine (aka William Porter), chosen after attempting a literal translation myself. “[F]olk wisdom recorded on turtle shells and bones”? Please! Have you no sense of metaphysics that expresses the inexpressable without resorting to turtle shells?

    The Daodeching (pinyin transliteration) is not exactly a guiding document for the present iteration of Chinese culture; neither is it “oracular” with respect to “humours”, at least imho, and I’ve been studying it for over fifty years in conjunction with Chaung Tzu (Wade-Giles transliteration), Han Shan, and the Ch’an Buddhists who carried its message into what’s now called “Zen”.

    Taoism, sadly, is largely irrelevant to any sort of governace in the world in which we live today. Its relevance is personal, not political.

  82. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    If I were to imagine China’s future, among the least imaginable scenarios would be one in which China cedes financial, governmental and media control to the Jews! Look at how that’s turned out for the West! Do you honestly believe that a culture as old or older than that of the Khazars (the modern iteration of Judaism) will simply roll over to a tiny minority that will rape them just as has been done with the less sophiticated and more malleable (and recent) culture of the European-derived West? I for one strongly doubt it.

  83. anon[189] • Disclaimer says:

    China doesn’t need a military to conquer the US, it simply sends millions of its citizens to march right in through the front door, i.e. via immigration.

    The US spends billions on the MIC to invade/talk up war with everybody and his mother, but leaves its doors wide open for everybody and his mother to march right in and conquer us without firing a single shot.

    Who’s the stupid one?

  84. @Sick of Orcs

    Better the world be nuked then live under the yoke of Red Tyranny Combo Plate #42.

    Whatever your ethnicity and religion, why nuke the entire world and all it’s inhabitants when you can achieve what you want by just killing yourself. YOU DON’T HAVE TO LIVE in a possible future YOU don’t approve of.

    • LOL: Biff
    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  85. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    There’s a big difference between China and the US. The Chinese are governed by members of their own han majority who want what is best for their nation, which is China. The US is governed by an alien Jewish minority who want what is best for their own nation, which is not the US.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Mustapha Mond
  86. @Joe Levantine

    I for one wouldn’t take that bet. I suspect that a Chinese or Chinese-influenced nanny state would be every bit as unbearble even if the USA goes full pc. It may surprise you, but here in the always-sneered-at global South, out here in the boons, well, we’re not quite ready to trade our way of life for a mess of pottage, no matter what the sickening governmental puppets of global capital (Jewish or Chinese) might insist that we do. We just told (by law) the Chinese that their projected pork factories are unwelcome here, a small but important step. The financially controlled USA has been for a long time viewed as inimical to the interests of our people and our way of life, a way of life far more agreeable than that of the serf-states to the north. We just wish to be left alone to work out our own individual (family) destinies while y’all concentrate on consumerism.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Joe Levantine
  87. profnasty says:
    @Agent76

    Wasn’t Henry the K behind the Nixon regicide? Deep Throat. I believe so. Now he’s still causing headaches after all these years. You gotta hand it to him, he’s a persistent hemorrhoid.
    Bloomingbird, Simon, Adelson, Bernstein, Sorostein, Slovostein….ad nauseum.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  88. pyrrhus says:

    If Biden gets in, the US will become strictly controlled opposition, if that, to China…When Chinese officials are bragging about their control of the US ruling class, it’s over…

  89. Agent76 says:
    @RoatanBill

    Thanks for the good post. October 07, 2020 The United States of War: US Military Bases Are Key Pieces of the Global War Machine

    Review of The United States of War: A Global History of America’s Endless Conflicts, from Columbus to the Islamic State by David Vine (University of California Press, 2020).

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/55693.htm

    Sep 17, 2019 Catherine Austin Fitts Explains the Financial Coup D’état

    Catherine Austin Fitts has been following the story of the black budget, the missing trillions, and the back door in the US Treasury for decades.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  90. Nancy says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Thanks….”relentless expropriation of weaker parties’ resources through sheer brutality.” … as in the origination of modern capitalism…. see ‘The Empire of Cotton’ by Sven Berkett (sp?)

  91. Nancy says:
    @RoatanBill

    Hmmm…. isn’t the “I think”…. missing here, Bill ? – “…In years to come, the Chinese will be…”
    What is it the precedes the ‘fall’ ?

  92. d dan says:
    @Montefrío

    “We just told (by law) the Chinese that their projected pork factories are unwelcome here, a small but important step.”

    Could you please explain why? Isn’t selling pork give more value than selling soybean? Or are you guys objecting to selling soybean to China as well? Don’t you want to earn hard currency and provide employment for your country? Sounds like a win-win to me.

    I am wondering how much of these objections/protests is due to instigation on behave of special big farm interests from US. Please share your view.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  93. @Biff

    What an incisive revelation of sheer bullshit.

    I was there in the middle of Katrina aboard a large military vessel stationed on west bank in Jefferson parrish before it arrived and thereafter searched and rescued the major areas of disaster involving suvivors in the Plaquemines and lower St Charles flooding whose flooding was due solely to content of Lake Borgne (the gulf area immediately to the east) being swept by category 5 hurricane force winds directly into those parrishes existing beneath sea level for which no levee, other than one possibly 100 feet in elevation, could have withstood or prevented.

    I did there see submerged coffins floating for weeks, snakes with heads larger than a crocodile coiled on rooftops, yet none of that stuff holds a candle to your psycotropicly conceived bullshit uttered simply for purposes of making an unrelated observation of which we are already aware.

    • Replies: @Biff
  94. @JohnPlywood

    What a pathetic thread. China is going nowhere and was not the “most powerful nation in the world”, ever. They spent almost the entirety of their existence under servitude to illiterate tribesmen flinging arrows from the north.

    I know you pathetic dipshits hate America but you’re going to have to find a better underdog to eclipse it.

    The opposite was true. All the illiterate tribesmen adopted the Chinese literature and the Chinese Mandarin system. In other words, they were all assimilated by the Chinese.

    Anyone who is not living in their own world knows that the U.S. is being eclipsed by China economically and technologically, and in the future, militarily.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  95. @showmethereal

    China’s “aging problem” is mitigated by its large base of population and its unavoidable pro-birth policies in the future.

    As for having lower per capita income than developed nations, it simply means that China still has great potential for further development, for example, via more urbanization as you stated.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  96. @padre

    I was trying to think of a supper that would be all white…maybe mashed potatoes, rice, cauliflower and navy beans with a piece of pork (the other white meat) and of course a big glass of whole milk.

  97. Sean says:
    @Agent76

    Australia (killed off all its blacks) pressed for sanctions at the expense of Apartheid South Africa when its coal was the only cheaper source. That China is dependent on Australian iron ore and the price is going up because of high demand and–as always seems to happen when someone has cornered the market–circumstances beyond the control of the supplier (storms in Western Australia) forced them to put up their prices. Such demand and “unavoidable” price rises with China having nowhere else to go might seem like good news for Oz, but the Chinese don’t sit still in position where they can be taken advantage of, and so Australia suddenly finds China does not want to buy its coal.

    That China’s diplomatic troll in chief tweeted a fake image of soldier holding a bloody knife to the throat of a hooded child clutching a lamb was a calumny. There was no lamb, it was just two 14 year old boys who the Australians cut the throats of, but the trolling drew out the Australians about their own Brereton report which found there were dozen of incidents in which the Aussie Special Air Service killed the locals for sport in Afghanistan.

    Kissinger is responsible for decades of failed China US policy.

    He certainly didn’t realise the force he was setting in motion when he ended China’s isolation from Western capital and technology although maybe he should have. Consider, the CCP triumph in 1949 and the Korean war caused the Red Scare, both Korea and Vietnam were clear defeats of America by CCP China. The blip of Trump trying to reverse deindustrialisation being ended by Covid-19, which is merely the latest of devastating epidemics originating in China that have decided the fate of nations since the Antonine plague should not have surprised. The Black Hole level pressure that China–simply by existing–tends to exert is something other states are helpless to resist. When the dominant mindset was Taoist, and thus passively receptive rather than activist, other countries were sucked into China and the West seemed to have totally subdued it. However:-

    Under heaven nothing is more soft and yielding than water Yet for attacking the solid and strong, nothing is better; it has no equal. The weak can overcome the strong; the supple can overcome…

    In 1947 the US cut off aid to Chinese nationalists, an act that largely stemmed from anger at Chiang Kai-shek asserting himself against US advisors during WW2, and failure to comprehend that by “harmony” the Chinese Communist Party mean free floating Taoist beneficence, but Confucian subservience to the state’s supreme leader and his mandate from heaven. Or else.

    Under the CCP the Chinese are expanding at others’ expense. China needn’t use force, the barbarian elite get paid off. Australia is a third world country with a first world lifestyle because it has the resources China needs. Once Australia learns to obey, they will be treated well. Also Australia is destined to turn into China’s Caribbean with a Chinese investor property boom sending the Australian economy ever higher, and all these politician and business figures will be happy.

    In a speech where he said China was no competition for the US, Biden said the leaders all other countries envy America’s lack of serious problems and advanced society. But in the same procedure used for Australian resources, China is going to offshore its R&D to America and just shake down US corporations who want in on the burgeoning home market of China. The venal US sell outs hunkered down for a term of Trump (in truth the odds were against him turning the US’s relative decline completely around), but under the incomprehension exhibited by Biden it will quickly get underway. The returns on Chinese investments for index funds are what the whole of Wall Street is banking on. The Western elite are going to be well and truly paid off.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @acementhead
  98. The objective of the BRI in Asia is true development of trade that in the end benefits China. The objective of the BRI in Africa is to gain control over the innately corrupt African governments and people to better exploit and control the natural resources of the continent.

  99. @NightTrain

    The objective of the BRI in Asia is true development of trade that in the end benefits China. The objective of the BRI in Africa is to gain control over the innately corrupt African governments and people to better exploit and control the natural resources of the continent.

    No one trades without benefits…this should be obvious. Average Africans have been “raped” by colonial rule (before and after) so they really have nothing to loose by partnering with China and BRI. From what I can see on the ground in Africa, two decades ago vs last year, is that real modern infrastructure has been put on the ground with Chinese investment. What a difference from my first visit to Africa (i.e. Malawi) when I saw mostly dirt roads with signs that said USAID.

    • Agree: Menes
  100. Pepe and his infatuation with China.

    China is the work of the same clique behind the privately created/ran US “Federal” Reserve. As a matter of fact, they have backed the Chinese Yuan exactly the same year they created the Fed.

    World yuan-ization thanks to the City of London
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

    China, a blueprint for the rest of world (censorship, social credit, etc) is the final step in their NWO madness.

    And yes, it can most certainly be argued that the US was nothing but a rabbi attack dog since WW2 but there again, the US was in the hands of that clique.

  101. @Christian Talour

    I highly doubt China is the next superpower. By some measures, it’s already in decline.

    I wish, as a Brit, that the UK were in such a decline!

  102. @RoatanBill

    The Chinese have learned how to be corrupt from the west. Don’t the Chinese use the Jews fiat money system and fractional reserve banking? That system alone leads to all the other corruption every nation is plagued with.

    The Chinese don’t need the Jews because they are the new Jews. They are lending to a huge portion of the world and when the debtors can’t pay, they’ll take over as part of a contract.

    The US builds bridges to nowhere. The Chinese build whole cities that sit empty for decades just to keep their Ponzi scheme going.

    Same Jews. Different day.

    World yuan-ization thanks to the City of London
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

  103. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    5. After many years, the sides will come to a treaty or agreement of some sort. China will finally agree to allow the Jews control of their financial sector, government, and media from behind the scenes. China will also agree to become a more “diverse” nation.

    China’s agreement was never needed since it began in 1913: https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

    The Jews in question got rid of Sun Yat-sen, enthroned their Mao, destroyed China and kept it backwards until its time came. A time that “coincides” with destroying the USA.

  104. frankie p says:
    @GMC

    Thanks, but as for the welcome, it could be said that I’ve already worn out my welcome!

    I’ve been living here in Taiwan for 32 years.

    I agree with you that the Taiwanese people don’t deserve to die. They are on the whole much more rational than the government, and many of the government initiatives in recent years go against the thinking of the majority of the population. These would include domestic issues such as gay marriage, nuclear power, corporal punishment and recently the importation of US pork with traces of ractopamine. People should not forget that a large number of Taiwanese work in China, and they certainly want to see friendly relations. The DPP is bowing down to the US, the global hegemon, on so many issues. It is infuriating, but more concerning is the desire of aggressive voices in the US to create a “Fortress Taiwan”. I tell people here on a regular basis that the most likely eventuality is that in response to a “Fortress Taiwan”, China will attack and the US will throw Taiwan under the bus. Think about it. Faced with the prospect of initiating belligerence with an aggressive China taking over Taiwan, which could easily lead to WWIII, would the US rush to Taiwan’s aid, or make a deal? The military planners in the US Defense Department understand that any conflict in East Asia will result in the US on the losing end. The only way the US would win would be in a total global conflict, probably including nuclear weapons. Worth it?

    I think not.

  105. Sean says:
    @Christian Talour

    A small country has fewer people.
    Though there are machines that can work ten to a hundred
    times faster than man, they are not needed.
    The people take death seriously and do not travel far.
    Though they have boats and carriages, no one uses them.
    Though they have armour and weapons, no one displays them.
    Men return to the knotting of rope in place of writing.
    Their food is plain and good, their clothes fine but simple, their homes secure;
    They are happy in their ways.
    Though they live within sight of their neighbours,
    And crowing cocks and barking dogs are heard across the way,
    Yet they leave each other in peace while they grow old and die

    (Tao Te Ching)

  106. Biff says:
    @The Soft Parade

    I was there

    Ok Brian Williams.

    • Replies: @The Soft Parade
  107. @alwayswrite

    Cry us a river, kike loving commie filth.
    “Muh nazis”
    “Muh holohoax”
    “Muh evil nationalism”
    Do you know where you are?

    • Agree: Badger Down
  108. @Agent76

    Those aussie fucks blamed their braindead grunts for the supposed “warcrimes” first. The Chinese just put some of that yin yang troll skills to good use.
    Imagine being another deranged huwhite who blamed his soldiers for doing soldiers things while being mad “those goddamn chinks” dare to agree to your statement.

  109. Bookish1 says:
    @Realist

    Don’t forget the big big war and that is the russia/chinese war over siberia.

  110. @frankie p

    It is the house negro mentality, which can still be observed in ex-colonial lands.
    At this point, it should be clear to anyone that muttmerica is not to be trusted, not with anything. Especially defence related.
    Retarded slav(e)s like those in pooland are not to be emulated.

  111. Sean says:
    @frankie p

    The military planners in the US Defense Department understand that any conflict in East Asia will result in the US on the losing end. The only way the US would win would be in a total global conflict, probably including nuclear weapons. Worth it?

    I think not.

    Although it appears to be concentrating on beating the pants off America economically, and eventually becoming too powerful for a challenge of any kind from the US. China has said over and over again it would instantly attack Taiwan if it declared independence from China. In other words if it doesn’t, China won’t A Chinese invasion and the Taiwanese all being sent to detention camps, where their families could be killed to order for organ transplants is something I cannot see Taiwan knowingly provoking. To try and defend Taiwan from a Chinese attack would be an extremely costly conventional operation in terms of lives of American servicemen.

    Only if the likely conventional winner is nice enough to agree to rules whereby its expensive conventional forces are on the verge of winning and the defeated opponent can battlefield nuke them without fear of escalation, could anyone contemplate using battlefield nuclear weapons. An American tactical nuclear response to a Chinese attack on Taiwan was blustered about in diplomatic code (“incalculable consequences”) years ago and to the apparent shock of US diplomats, the Chinese implicitly threatened to retaliate to a US battlefield thermonuclear weapon use against Chinese invasion of Taiwan by esculating to the strategic level and nuking the continental US (maybe meaning a city).

    This is the problem of convincing anyone that the US would blow its own brains out to stop a conventional invasion (in Western Europe) that bedeviled Nato in relation to the Warsaw Pact. If Taiwan had its own nuclear weapons (as Britain has because the US gave them to the UK) then a threat from Taiwan might have some credibility. But the US is not, was never really going to, initiate escalation to nuclear war to save a foreign country from a conventional invasion. That is why Israel has nuclear weapons.

    • Troll: Badger Down
  112. @Sean

    “…Covid-19, which is merely the latest of devastating epidemics originating in China”

    Rubbish, the Fort Detrick Flu originated in the US, as I have proved elsewhere. It was taken to China by the US Military Games team, possibly accidentally but I believe the evidence points to its having been deliberate. I’ve adduced the evidence previously, not going to redo it.

    • Replies: @Sean
  113. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:

    Jesus, we get it already Pepe, you think the BRI is a “game-changer”. Can’t you come up with anything new?

  114. @dogbumbreath

    Suicide won’t work since nothing is final. I won’t risk coming back as someone ‘clever’ like yourself.

    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  115. @Biff

    The people in charge aren’t having any of it. Ok Brian Williams.

    Whoever Brian Williams and “it” is….compared to what you normally write, is accepted as your next on-point remark. Oh and you’ve permission to be yourself

    • Replies: @Biff
  116. anon[193] • Disclaimer says:

    The one nice thing about Trump’s loss of the election, however unfair and unjust, is that we no longer have to see or hear from Pompeo ever again. The Secretary of State is supposed to be the nation’s top diplomat, and diplomats are supposed to seek peace. Pompeo the fat fuck does nothing but spread hatred and talk up war every time he opens his mouth. That man has nothing but hatred in his dark heart, the only love he has is for Israel. A true Satan’s spawn. Goodbye and good riddance!

  117. Sean says:
    @acementhead

    https://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/05/03/eyeonchina.virus/index.html

    It was from just such a market in a village near the provincial capital of Guangzhou that researchers believe the deadly SARS virus originated in 2003, with civet cats high on the list of suspects.

    The respiratory disease, which killed 774 people and sickened 8,098 in 30 nations, sparked panic in nearby Hong Kong, with most of its 7 million residents donning masks in a bid not to be infected when someone coughed or sneezed.

    Civets were used to make Dragon Snake soup, and as I understand it the business end of the spike protein of the 2003 SARS epidemic was from a civet while the current pandemic Covidl19 virus’s much more effective spike protein is from a pangolin, used as an aphrodisiac. Both these are bat viruses originally (bats have strong immune responses so viruses from bats are nasty). It is the Chinese who eat bats, civets and pangolins and keep them together in wet markets and persisted on doing so despite the concern by experts such as Professor Ian Lipkin that there could be a repeats of the 2005 SARS epidemic out of China.

    I believe the evidence points to its having been deliberate

    It was certainly deliberate that the Chinese tried to make Trump unpopular by targeting sanctions at states that voted for him. Whan Covind -19 appeared it was generally thought that be everyone outside China that the new disease would be like SARS in 2003: easily contained in East Asia.

    If, in January 2020, when it seemed re election of Trump and him returning with a mandate to clip China’s wings by all means necessary was less than ten months away, Xi while dealing with the Covid crisis perceived that properly handled the international dimension of it offered a way to make Trump look criminally incompetent, what would he have done?

    Furthermore, it was naive of Trump to trust that once the pandemic started the higher technical and professional class in the blood sucking health care corporations and pompous civil servants at the FDA were not going to be deliberately using the Covid-10 disaster to hurt his election chances by delaying good news about vaccines.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  118. @Hiram of Tyre

    If that were true, the Jews and their media and governmental organs wouldn’t be on a jihad against China right at this moment.

    So your assertion can be proven as false just by observing the world around us. You clearly live in a state of non-reality.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hiram of Tyre
  119. @anon

    You make a critical point. They want what is best for themselves, and themselves alone. And China most definitely stands in their way of achieving that.

    Relatedly, I worry that this Covid-19 ‘epidemic’ fabrication and ensuing lock-downs, all leading to the “Great Reset”, is really only a “Destroy the Goy” agenda thinly veiled.

    I want to think otherwise, of course (being part jewish myself), but the Tribal elites are quite adept at turning events towards their own benefit, and many leading zionist voices have clearly stated they want the world to themselves, as Maurice Samuel openly admitted in his book, “You Gentiles”:

    “We Jews. We are the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (p.155)

    Well, the events playing out before our eyes currently are certainly a destructive force, but not for Wall Street and the wealthiest among us (many, if not the majority of which, are jewish), who are reaping enormous profits from this ‘planned-demic’ and the devastation that is left in its wake……

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  120. @Christian Talour

    it’s GDP per capita is six times lower than the USA at $10,300,

    How many Chinese can’t afford a $83 emergency?

    1,000,000,000 [as it is 2/3 in the US – $500]?

  121. denk says:
    @Agent76

    CIAgent76 ,
    aka HIQ whitey,
    diehard FLG aficionado

    China Is Trying to Crush Australia

    Ex Aussie diplomat
    Tony Kevin

    We cant help it.
    When big bro calls the shot,
    We are supposed to shoot our own foot [1]

    🙁

    https://johnmenadue.com/how-australia-sabotaged-its-own-interests-in-relations-with-china/

    [1]
    Courtesy Finian Cunningham.

    • Replies: @anon
  122. @Chinaman

    It’s not that easy. Who knows when somebody will find earlier cases? It may have been circulating for a long time before it mutated to a more effective form for human transmission.

    If Hendra virus, also from bats, had evolved to easily spread between humans, Australia would have been the source of a far more lethal plague. There aren’t many cases as open and shut as that. [email protected]

  123. denk says:
    @JohnPlywood

    I know you pathetic dipshits hate America

    Poor dear.
    Still dun get it ?

    daddy bush,…

    They hate us cuz they envy our way of life

    http://krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa.html#vetos

    hehehhee

  124. @Sick of Orcs

    Better the world be nuked then live under the yoke of Red Tyranny Combo Plate #42.

    This is where I suggest you just KILL YOURSELF and speare others their own choice.

    Suicide won’t work since nothing is final. I won’t risk coming back as someone ‘clever’ like yourself.

    Now if your saying “nothing is final” then my only conclusion is you’re one really dumb MF that has zero logic. You are marked Troll.

    • Agree: Badger Down
    • Replies: @denk
    , @Sick of Orcs
  125. antibeast says:
    @Sean

    You seem oblivious to the fact that scientific reports published internationally have already concluded that Covid-19 did NOT originate in China albeit first discovered there. You’ve also alluded to the Spanish Flu pandemic which came from the USA but which you blame on China. Same with the origins of the bubonic plague which originated in Central Asia but which you also blame on China.

    Now you’re claiming that Xi deliberately unleashed the Covid-19 pandemic on Trump so he won’t get reelected because he feared that a second term of Trump would “clip the wings” of China?

    Nonsense.

    A second term of Trump would have seen the collapse of the USA Empire as he would have withdrawn the US military from NATO and close-off US military bases all over the world. Given the Trump/Navarro hostility to the neoliberal globalist economic system, he would have withdrawn the USA from the WTO in order to revive US manufacturing industries which have been hallowed out from decades of “outsourcing” to developing countries.

    But the US Deep State carried out a “regime change” operation against Trump to make sure a Trump 2.0 didn’t happen. Now they’re going against his “deplorable” followers by making sure another Trump doesn’t appear again to trample upon their Pax Americana.

    You sound like a US Deep State troll, are you?

    • Replies: @Sean
  126. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    Probably. It looks like the Chinese are getting set up the same way the Germans were. (Like the Germans, the Chinese believe too much of their own bullshit to figure out they’re walking into a trap.)

  127. antibeast says:
    @Christian Talour

    China has a rapidly aging, probably declining, population, it’s already accumulated massive debt at every level of society, it’s GDP per capita is six times lower than the USA at $10,300, and it can’t even dominate a tiny sparsely populated island a few miles from it’s coast (Taiwan). I highly doubt China is the next superpower. By some measures, it’s already in decline.

    The USA has a high GDP per capita of $60K which is higher than Germany and Japan but most of that GDP is funded by debt which is owed to the world. The high consumption and debt spending in the USA is made possible only due to the status of the USD as an international reserve currency backed by Arab oil which is the Petrodollar system. If the USD were to lose its international reserve currency status, that GDP would decline by 50% or more based on the real economy of the USA as it would no longer be inflated by the Petrodollar system.

    The US economy is already very close to imploding based on its runaway debt of $27T and counting. Trump added $7T in four years which might balloon to $10T by next year. That’s $30T in public debt for a real economy of about $10T, assuming a 100% debt-inflated GDP of $20T. If the USD loses its international reserve currency status, then all the USD assets held all over the world would get repriced instantly by the markets as investors dump them for other assets, possibly leading to a 50% haircut in their current Petrodollar-inflated price.

    China is a very different story because the PBoC is owned by the State unlike the USA where the US Federal Reserve System is not owned by the US government but is in fact and in law a private corporation owned by City-of-London/Wall Street banking/financial interests.

    The US Deep State is hardly aware of this fact of life as they pursue their psychotic delusions of Pax Americana.

  128. denk says:
    @frankie p

    I have been shocked and somewhat scared by the ratcheting up of animosity between Taiwan and China,

    YOu shouldnt be shocked.
    Trump has been fanning the flame in SCS, TW, ECS, Indo/China border,
    Xinjiang, Tibet, HK….

    Fanning the flame, this has been the day job of the potus since the sinking of Maine

    You know Crassus ?
    The world’s first private fire brigade, ?

    In 70 BC, an ambitious minor politician and extremely wealthy man, Marcus Licinius Crassus, wanted to rule Rome. Just to give you an idea of what sort of man Crassus really was, he is credited with invention of the fire brigade.

    https://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE5/?q=ARTICLE5/

    Trump and all prez before him, are nothing but the modern Crassus.
    Except Trump and his predecessors dont sit on their ass to wait for calls, they go out to look for promising real estates, set fire on it, come back in fire fighters garb to fight the fire he started himself.

    Wash, rinse…repeat.

    Thats how uncle sham make its living since 1785, professional arsonist.

  129. @last straw

    Uh, that’s not “the opposite”. While certainly these tribes used Chinese language in diplomatic affairs with Chinese, they were in no way subservient to the Chinese as the Chinese were to the Northmen. Never did they adopt a “Chinese Mandarin system”, rather, the “Chinese system” reflects its continuous history as a multiethnic country.

    Chinese people were basically slaves in their own country to the foreign occupying powers.

    • Replies: @last straw
  130. @Hiram of Tyre

    The Jews have had their bloody hands on China for a lot longer and earlier than 1913. They made a massive fortune as drug pushers during the 19th century. Opium was their preferred currency then.

    Curiously, the article at Voltairenet.org you cited does not explain why the (((Brits))) backed the Chinese yuan in 1913 or why it failed and subsequently they had to drop it. I guess they got sidetracked by the Bolshevik Revolution and WW1 and WW2. They finally decided to back the American dollar as per the Bretton Woods Agreement of 1944.

    I do not disagree with you that Jews wield considerable influence on Chinese banking and monetary policies. However, the current and rabid China bashing may be an indication that their influence has waned. Likewise for BRI, they will destroy what they cannot control.

    The Australian Financial Review of February 28, 1994: Rothschilds to China (pictured with Sir Evelyn de Rothschild is Xiao-Feng Liu, left, and Leroy Jin, Cambridge and Oxford Graduates who help develop the bank in China.) 

  131. @Christian Talour

    The US has a rapidly aging, and declining, population. It has accumulated massive debt at every level of society, its GDP per capita is sucked up by a tiny number of “oligarchs”, and it can’t even dominate a tiny sparsely populated “country” a few thousand miles from its coast (“israel”). I highly doubt the US is a superpower. By most measures, it’s already in decline.

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  132. denk says:
    @dogbumbreath

    Priceless !

    Those ‘HIQ’ idiots just cant be reasoned with.

    Why dont that mofo just change its moniker to sick of life and
    gets it done with. ?

    heheh

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  133. @Sick of Orcs

    The Samson option!
    What semitism you display!

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  134. @d dan

    Dear Dan, the enslavement and murder of intelligent life-forms is SO old-hat, vulgar, filthy, and evil.
    Pigs are family mammals, our cousins.
    The future is vegan.

  135. @JohnPlywood

    While some slaves did exist, China was essentially a feudal society through most of its history. Few Chinese were enslaved by anyone every, let alone by Northern illiterates. The vast majority of elites/feudal lords/mandarins were high cultured Han Chinese, during any period of Chinese history.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  136. @Montefrío

    “ The financially controlled USA has been for a long time viewed as inimical to the interests of our people and our way of life, a way of life far more agreeable than that of the serf-states to the north. We just wish to be left alone to work out our own individual (family) destinies while y’all concentrate on consumerism”.

    Thanks. Great point. That is what I consider to be genuine resistance to the plans of the PTB as expressed by their WEF arm.

  137. Sean says:
    @antibeast

    The origins of the bubonic plague which originated in Central Asia but which you also blame on China.

    No I say Fentanyl comes from Wuhan, plague may have originated in prehistoric Northern Europe which had the the most densely populated settlements and the world’s largest inhabited structured at one time,

    Europe’s first farming populations were wiped out by plague, say researchers who have identified genomes of a 4,900-year-old strain of the plague-causing bacterium Yersinia pestis in Sweden. The scientists say their discovery suggests that plague emerged and spread through Europe earlier than was previously thought … The Y. pestis sequences are as old as any known plague strain — and they sit closer than any other to the base of the deadly pathogen’s evolutionary tree. “We are at the beginning of the evolution of this disease”…

    The Antonine Plague of 165 to 180 AD that devastated Rome was probably either smallpox or measles, and certainly came from the East.

    The SARS pandemic of 2003 was caused by the SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-1 virus which has a spike protein derived from a civet, which the Chinese eat in a soup whose other ingredients include bats. For over a decade the Chinese ignored the pleading of disease experts like Ian Lipkin to shut down wet markets where live animals species were kept in unhygienic conditions because there could be another novel disease emerging from them.

    The COVID-19 pandemic that came to notice earlier this year is caused by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus two (SARS-CoV-2) virus. This has a spike protein from a pangolin, (scaly anteater) which was the world’s most trafficked animal because the Chinese think eating it will make their dicks extra hard.

    Now you’re claiming that Xi deliberately unleashed the Covid-19 pandemic on Trump so he won’t get reelected because he feared that a second term of Trump would “clip the wings” of China?

    Far from it, the Chinese are not that smart, but I don’t think Xi was falling over himself to save Trump, and I think the Chinese are delighted that Trump, a president of America who said China was committing economic rape of the United States (an idea that the US elite thought simply wrong), is now replaced with Biden, who insists that China is no kind of serious threat to US supremacy.

    There are no cases of Covid-19 in China right now, so whether Covid-19 was designed to affect ethnic Chinese or just arose there, the Chinese have demonstrated their capability for termite-like organisation through the astounding feat of beating the pandemic without a vaccine. And now they are going to take those attributes and go back to beating the West. Chinese index funds increasing their size tenfold is thought not unlikely by financial journalists. The pull that the prospect of such profits will exert on the Western elites can be imagined, and China’s rise tolls the bell for the common people of suffering Deaths Of Despair, in which Fentanyl from Wuhan is merely the coup de grace.

    It is not any particular leadership stratagems of China, but deeper qualities of immense size, uniformity and the population’s genetic behavioral and even immunological adaptations selected for during an ancient history of large scale society that makes the country dangerous. We may laugh at Hung Lo consuming his pangolin potions, but even this silly Chinese superstition has inadvertently decimated the advanced science and technology West. The world is indifferent to us, so to find meaning humans develop conspiracy theories in which it is not a zero sum game, but naturally a sphere of wonderful harmony, so the bad stuff is the result of someones evil plan. Paranoia has a function I suppose or so many people would not exhibit it. But why does the enemy always have to be within?

  138. antibeast says:
    @last straw

    While some slaves did exist, China was essentially a feudal society through most of its history. Few Chinese were enslaved by anyone every, let alone by Northern illiterates. The vast majority of elites/feudal lords/mandarins were high cultured Han Chinese, during any period of Chinese history.

    While Chinese Society was a feudal patriarchy — organized by patrilineal descent — based on the normative standards of a Confucianist hierarchy, the Chinese State was a political meritocracy — run by Confucian Scholar-Officials — selected from the Imperial State Examination System. Unlike European feudalism which permeated both Society and State, Chinese feudalism was limited only to the social structure of Chinese clans. No “landed aristocracy” existed in Chinese history who had wealth and power over Chinese peasants, unlike in Europe where the “landed aristocracy” was oftentimes the biggest landowner with social and political power over their European serfs. China had rich farmers and wealthy merchants but they could only acquire political power and social influence by having their sons pass the Imperial State Examination System to become Confucian Scholar-Officials who participated in the administration of the Chinese State. That was true even during the Yuan and Qing Dynasties because the Mongols and Manchus adopted Chinese Classical Culture and assimilated to Chinese Civilization.

    Chinese Society is largely autonomous from the Chinese State with the former organized around feudal patriarchy while the latter organized around political meritocracy. This dual structure had its roots in the political meritocracy which was adopted by China as early as the Han Dynasty which abolished slavery and instituted the bureaucratic system of public administration. That’s still true today except for Mao’s Cultural Revolution which destroyed the Confucianist feudal patriarchy but not the Confucianist political meritocracy which has survived to this day in its modern technocratic form.

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    , @frankie p
  139. @Joe Levantine

    I can’t disagree with what you say.

    The difference in approach is that the Chinese have learned that the sword is no longer needed to pillage a population, as the west has taught them. The death and destruction the west was and still is famous for is waning in importance when finance can achieve the same end but in a much more subtle way.

    The IMF, World Bank, etc are the newer weapons of mass destruction and the Chinese are just taking this newer approach to conquest. Those that can make their payments will be spared and those that can’t will be conquered by the checkbook and not necessarily a sword.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  140. @Ghan-buri-Ghan

    You can’t be this naive. The “world around us” is nothing but a veil. A series of made-up oppositions and controlled oppositions.

    The British Empire and the City of London has had ties to China for centuries. Jardines, HSBC, etc were/are all part of the City’s drug pushing empire and imperialism. The City’s leading currency was the British Pound until the WW2 they orchestrated, then the petro US dollar. With their next bubble, the Green Deal/Reset/Economy, they no longer need US dollar. The digital Yuan will be next.

    I can’t deny the “jihad against China”, which is coming from the Trump Administration. In my opinion, the jihad is justified.

    • Replies: @denk
  141. @Maowasayali

    Can’t agree more on the British Empire’s drug-pushing, centuries-long ties to China. Jardines, HSBC, to name of couple, are a “heritage” of that past.

    Yes, the article should have given a more thorough historical insight. That said, I don’t think the City of London ever dropped the Yuan, I see it the way you postulated: setting it aside while moving along with other plans (WW1/WW2, revolutions in Russia, China, etc).

    They plan ahead, at least 100 years at a time. They destroyed Russia with their Bolsheviks, kept the country backwards for decades. They did the same in China with Mao. Paradoxically, they also transferred technology (mostly ballistic, military) to Russia during the Cold War (ref.: “Western Transfer of Technology to the Soviet Union”, Anthony Sutton). China’s case was similar, kept backwards until the 60s/70s when it opened and everything was transferred there from the West. Lots of US officials/POTUS were part of the machination. Trump seems different in that sense.

    And so, I would be wary of the BRI being such a great endeavor. In the end, it’s another way of taking over the world. This time, through commerce/industry; which inevitably will come with imposing the digital Yuan and other ways the NWO crew developed in China. Let’s also keep in mind that the gang of the City also benefits from clashes/conflicts/wars. One between the US and China would be a Christmas miracle. That is not say that everyone in China sees eye to eye.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  142. @NightTrain

    China provides and builds a real infrastructure for the deal. While we just give them some food aid for complete access.

    Get the picture yet?

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    , @NightTrain
  143. @Maowasayali

    I would amend/add that a military war between the US and China is unlikely but one between the US and Iran is only wished as it would serve the City’s plan to switch the leading currency in the same way WW2 did (£ to $).

  144. @last straw

    Didn’t China just changed retirement age to 64 from 50? That alone just allowed the chinese govt 14 more years to solve their demographic problem.

    Either through policies or through massive use of robotics. China is about to ride the wave of automation. Human labor wouldn’t matter much more in the future.

    • Replies: @last straw
    , @showmethereal
  145. @RoatanBill

    If you are talking about BRI, you are reading too much Indian and cia propaganda on it. They are there to facilitate trade with china. That is it. Instead of gunboat diplomacy, the chinese are offering loans to build the infrastructure needed to trade.

    That is it.

    China gets to trade. The other countries gets infrastructure and trade.

  146. @dogbumbreath

    The Western are very, very generous when it comes to pitying the Africans. Right after the announcement of the “Band Aid”, a British tabloid printed a cartoon in which one African said to another, “We must organise a famine in order to save some aging rock stars.” Sometimes, it is difficult to know who is saving whom!!!

    Here is another old piece from the Economist forum:

    [MORE]

    Reigal wrote: Feb 13th 2010 5:45 GMT .East Wind

    Africans go to universities? News to me. Thank you for this enlightening piece of information.

    Anyway China does not only buy goods from Africa on fair market prices as you said it ensures that maleable and pliable thieves remain in power so that no interruptions occur to its mineral supplies. China also gives greenlight to its sattelites like Hong Kong to hide the loot stolen from the African populations by the thugs it supports. That is every brainless thief from Monrovia to Mombasa gets the Red Carpet treatment in Beijing. That is why Mugabe and his monsterous wife pay frequent visits to Hong Kong with the blessing of the Chinese State.

    If china continues in this path it will be eventually seen by the africans as just another greedy, colonial power.

    Racism, whether based on skin colours or cultural differences, is not an exclusive Chinese preserve. I remember that not that many years ago, 2 tribes in Rwanda(?) started murdering each other. One tribe, in particular, tended to hack off the lower legs of the other simply because of their jealousy that the other tribe members are, in general, taller. The gruesome nature of such atrocity is only matched by Pol Pot, the Japanese Imperial Army and Hitler’s SS in their “Final Solution”. The ethnic (racist) genocide that occurred in Rwanda (and many others that have occurred and are occurring in Africa) simple CANNOT be a result of CHINESE racism– Not even a product of white racism– but a NATIVE product of the African racism itself!

    While there is certainly a RACIST component to it, the kind practised by the Chinese is more like economic BIGOTRY. This is simply because of the fact that the white West has been the richest and the most advanced society in the world for the past 2-3 centuries. There is a group of Chinese in Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan and some in mainland China, who, in particular, have this “honourary whites” (or better called ‘whiteman’s niggers’ http://www.urbandictionary.com/tags.php?tag=white+man%27s+nigger) mentality. They have the feeling that, since THEY are sucking up to their superior white westerners, it makes them superior to the Chinese who don’t and hence they look down on these other Chinese the same ways that the “racist” Chinese look down on the Africans and other black people. If Africa had been the most advanced society in the world in the past 3 centuries, these SAME Chinese would have turned themselves into “honourary blacks” instead of “honourary whites”.

    Now, while the Chinese are CERTAINLY guilty of bigotry– often very serious bigotry at that– it is NOT the fault of China, or the Chinese, that Africa has NOT made itself into the most advanced society in the world in the past 3 centuries!!!

    The other accusation of yours is that China is popping up corrupt African politicians like Mugabe. Now, not even you cannot deny that these politicians are products of past Europeans’ (the white’s) RACIST rules in Africa. China simply reacted in its best own interest to situations created by others.

    While you talk about the politicians with Chinese connections, you are certainly mindfully ignoring those who have western connections. I remember watching a Western (BBC?) made program about Aids in South Africa. Despite expert advice from Western and South Africa’s own medical professionals that it was an epidemic of a medical nature, politicians from Mandela (and religious leaders from the Bishop whatishisname) down simply refused to accept what it was and insisted that it was a moral problem and refused to take the correct actions. As a result, South Africa has become the worst Aids affected country in the world– By contrast, Thailand, which took the realistic approach, saw its Aids problem reduced.

    But South Africa’s political system is based on the supposedly superior western model and has been praised by the West. It leaders are elected the western way and are supposed to be responsible to the people. It is a model that the West tries to sell to the developing world. How come these “leaders” choose to run their country in such a shameful fashion?

    The TRUTH is that the current crop of African politicians, whatever their political colour, don’t give a damn about the little people they lord over. This is NOT a situation unique to Africa. China too faced the SAME situation from the later stage of the Qing Dynasty, through the Warlord period, until Mao’s revolution– except that, unlike YOU, the Chinese did NOT blame the Africans for their plight. They made revolutions that overthrew those detested politicians and ended up with the prospering China you see today.

    China’s current economic engagement with Africa is different from that of the West. While the West was only interested in grabbing and plundering, China pays for African raw materials with real goods and services. China also builds infrastructures for Africa– Something the West has simply ignored over the past 2 centuries though they are always generous in pouring sympathy and pity on the Africans whenever there is a disaster, natural or man-made, happening in Africa. They seem to think that the Africans do not need development that will allow them to stand on their own feet one day. They believe that simply PITYING the Africans is good enough– And YOU are the proof that they are right.

    On the other hand, despite giving Africa REAL assistance (even at a time when China ITSELF was desperately poor as in the 1960’s), China only deserves to be blamed. Seeing this, China should now know what NOT to do for the Africans. I certainly KNOW!

    Recent news reports suggest that economic engagement between China and Africa is deepening– include Chinese manufacturing companies opening factories in Africa, which really means TAKING CHINESE JOBS TO THE AFRICANS. When Western companies opening factories in China just a decade or so ago, those in the west accused China of “stealing WESTERN jobs”. I have yet to hear any Chinese saying that “the Africans are stealing Chinese jobs”. Nor did I hear them said “Vietnamese were stealing Chinese jobs” when some companies closed their factories in Southern China and moved to Vietnam some years ago. They simply accept that “everyone has to EARN his keep” and you lose your job when you become un-competitive.

    Those Africans, of whom YOU are a representative, have something in common with the whites– Both seem to think that the CHINESE owe them a life in heaven. If the whites become un-competitive and lose their jobs, they blame it on the Chinese. If the blacks don’t work hard enough to earn themselves a proper place in the family of nations, they also blame it on the Chinese. They (and YOU) blame the Chinese when the problems have their origins in the Africans themselves and blame the Chinese AGAIN when the problems are caused by the whites– I have not seen you pinning any blame on the Africans themselves or on the whites although, surely, there must be plenty of blames that can justifiably go to them.

    Infrastructure Development, manufacturing jobs and education were the most important drivers of China’s economic boom for the past 2 decades. If the Africans play it right, it could mean that this be their real chance of stepping onto the industrialization path. Seeing your posts, I now have my doubts. I would rather prefer China putting its effort in helping the Bangladesh, Sri Lankans and the people in South America instead. At least, they seem to be people who are genuinely grateful for what you do for them!

    Devil’s Advocate

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  147. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    Ex Aussie diplomat
    Tony Kevin

    https://johnmenadue.com/how-australia-sabotaged-its-own-interests-in-relations-with-china/

    Thanks. It is an interesting read.

    A few countries have already lined up to supply China with beef, lobster, wine, wheat, and coal.

    Beef – Argentina
    Lobster – Indonesia, Canada, USA
    Wine – USA, France, Argentina
    Wheat – Russia
    Coal – Canada, Mongolia, Indonesia

    • Replies: @denk
  148. @Deep Thought

    Another of my replies on the Economist forum years ago to another “house nigger” of the white West:

    [MORE]

    ý@ýýýýHin reply to Vulgi Vagus 2016 Jul 4th, 05:59

    Vulgi Vagusin reply to ý@ýýýýH 2016 3 hours 42 mins ago

    Bad call, dude! Really bad call indeed!

    Right call for me. I was unsure whether you are a white Westerner, an Indian or a South African. With that call, I now know!

    I’m one of the ‘peoples of South Africa’ – a proud African with the bones of my ancestors buried in African soil. One of the many millions who resisted and succeeded in destroying the hated-and-evil-apartheid system. Big surprise, eh!

    Big surprise indeed. I recall that Nelson Mandela was in prison all through the anti-apartheid struggle. The movement was actually run by a WHITE, and COMMUNIST, Joe Slovo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo). So, UNLIKE in Zimbawe, all those “proud Africans” in South Africa were NOT liberated by some Black, but by a WHITE who was a COMMUNIST! Zimbabweans have every right to be proud of BEING black!!! At least, they liberated themselves from oppression by the white racists. ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    Did you tell that to your ancestors when you visited their graves? What did “the bones” of your ancestors have to say? ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    We’re now also working hard to eliminate the hated-and-evil-apartheid system’s policies from Chinese soil. LOL

    The CCP had already done that by eliminating the “the hated-and-evil-apartheid system” of the landlords!!!

    And, kindly note, sanctions were established by UN authorities under the guidance from western democracies – which is why we are today a constitutional democracy. We also received aid and support from the USSR and Cuba – never from any Chinese commies at all.

    The fights were led by people who were supported by the socialist countries– Including the USSR and Cuba, of course.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Slovo

    ‘Joe Slovo (23 May 1926 – 6 January 1995, full name Yossel Mashel Slovo) was a South African politician, an opponent of the apartheid system. He was a long-time leader of the South African Communist Party (SACP), a leading member of the African National Congress (ANC), and a commander of the ANC’s military wing Umkhonto we Sizwe.’

    Indeed, I can’t recall any meaningful post-apartheid assistance to my country from the stupid chicoms. All we ever got from the stupid chicoms are lukewarm promises and meaningless ‘honorary’ degrees awarded to our most corrupt politicians. LOL

    Germany built our new frigates and submarines, The Suisse built our warplanes. Russia is being touted as a potential supplier of nuclear energy. Our youth look to the USA and Europe for scholarships and guidance – much to our chief commie’s disgust. LOL

    If you bother to check, apartheid South Africa was actually building a fighter jet based on the Mirage III by itself. It was also doing research on a pebble-bed nuclear reactor first tried out in Germany, and had the very FIRST heart transplant in humans performed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christiaan_Barnard). You can have a better and more advanced South Africa today simply by BRINGING BACK apartheid!!! Your elected leaders have brought South Africa BACKWARDS. The “no elected commies” certainly have reasons to be disgusted.

    Nothing from China at all except some recent stupid advice on how to impose censorship on our population. In this, we’re protected from such lawless activities by our constitution so it’s a non-starter.

    All the above are the major reasons why we’re able to identify and recognise the hated-and-evil-apartheid-style repressions of your commie dictatorship on your own citizens.

    We’ve no elected commies in our parliament and the SACP yesterday publicly suspended 10 of their own commies for instigating pre-election violence. Take a look:

    https://www.enca.com/south-africa/sacp-cleans-house-in-Tshwane%5D

    Clearly, your wonderful “constitution” has not prevented you from electing your “corrupt politicians”, who have turned South Africa into something worse than the apartheid SA. What does THAT tell us about your demoncrazy???

    Our own commies are a minority group who have never stood or contested elections for any public office.

    Then, you are merely admitting that the corruption and incompetence of today’s South Africa are caused by demoncrazy rather than communism!!!

    They’re just stupid noisemakers – ostensibly allied to the corrupt and incompetent ANC leadership. Their ties go all the way back to the USSR – not to China. LOL

    AGAIN, you are merely admitting that anything about this “corrupt and incompetent ANC leadership” was the product of the USSR– and NOT the “chicoms”– from which the current Russian state is the inheritor!!! Knowing that, I am sure that President Putin of Russia, which is a “potential supplier of nuclear energy” to you will give you reactors of the Chernobyl type!!! ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    All the above tells me you don’t have a clue. Commies are, as far as we’re concerned, simply a foolish excrescence, an unreliable, ignorant blot on our national landscape.

    You ELECTED leaders have turned the ugly apartheid South Africa into an even UGLIER blot on your national landscape. The “chicoms” have turned China into the FASTEST growing large economy in the world for 3 long decades. South Afrcia will continue to perform worse than apartheid SA– Until you people see your own flaws and shoulder your OWN responsibilities.

    And that goes double for all chicoms.

    Got it?

    The “chicoms” admitted their own flaws, shouldered their OWN responsibilities, and reformed. Therefore it is now a leading economy in the world.

    You DON’T get it!!!

    Devil’s

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    , @HeebHunter
  149. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    No, why don’t you explain it some more.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  150. @Deep Thought

    More. Posted on the Economist forum years before BLM riots under the Trump regime:

    [MORE]

    ý@ýýýýHin reply to Vulgi VagusJul 8th, 05:37

    Didn’t you say “Our (i.e. your) youths look to the USA and Europe for scholarships and guidance – much to our chief commie’s disgust. LOL”???

    It looks like the USA police look to apartheid SA police for inspiration and guidance to me:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/alton-sterling-shooting-new-vide…

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36732908

    I have plenty of sympathy for the Blacks shot dead by police in the USA but none at all for those Blacks shot dead by apartheid police in SA in their naïve attempt to “look to the USA and Europe for scholarships and guidance”. ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    Maybe, the best way is to swap places between the Black in the US and those in SA. Then Black South Africans like YOU can have real experience of “scholarships and guidance” in Amelika!!! ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    Devil’s

    ý@ýýýýHin reply to Vulgi VagusJul 9th, 05:11

    The Blacks in America are now taking up arms against its own apartheid regime. I hope they will find their own Joe Slovo or, even better, produce their own Robert Mugabe. Time and again, Martin Luther King has been proved that he could do shit for the rights of the “little black boy and little black girls” in America.
    .
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36742835
    .
    Devil’s

  151. @Hiram of Tyre

    Thanks for your informative reply. I don’t disagree with your points but I am still hoping for the best. 

    Undeniably, the prosperity I see in China right now is very similar to, if it does not exceed, the prosperity of that golden decade of the 1950s in America. Is this a “fakeout” as it was in America?

    The golden decade in America was abruptly ended with the assassination of JFK on November 22, 1963. What followed after that was a full-on overt war in Vietnam and a full-on covert war in America with the heroin and degeneracy and violence they brought back from that war vis-à-vis on nightly TV news.

    Jews gotta do what Jews are best at: peddling dope, degeneracy and, of course, war and usury.

    Well, at least the Americans were given ten good years of peace and prosperity. They must have really hated the native British because they never allowed the British to have a prosperous middle-class—never, not even when the British Empire was at its height and the sun never set on it in 1900.*

    In any event, the consensus–even in the (((MSM)))—is that the PRC has lifted 700 million Chinese out of poverty. Will the BRI do the same for the people of the participating countries? We shall see and know very shortly.

    * They absolutely love their Sun and Star symbols. They even named the “father of modern China” after one of their favourite occult symbols. Sun Yat-sen (孫中山) is not pronounced as “Sun” in either Cantonese or Mandarin; it is pronounced and more accurately sounds like “Soon” in English, btw.

    It just dawned on me why they picked the year 1913 to back the Chinese yuan… 1913 was just less than one year after Sun Yat-sen declared the formation of the Republic of China, now known as (((Taiwan))) which has a flag that, by pure coincidence of course, looks remarkably similar the IHS emblem of the (((Jesuits))).

    Note also that the 5-pointed star on the American and Chinese PRC flags are identical!

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  152. @Chinaman

    Indeed they learned from 1989…. The police in Hong Kong weren’t left like sitting ducks as what happened to the police and soldiers in Beijing in ’89 so while the rioters in HK did throw rocks and bricks they couldn’t firebomb them so easy. Sadly a few civilians were burned up by the HK rioters.

    But yes you are correct about what you said about the structural problems. Honestly though – there will be little bits more of integration – but I don’t think it will happen as quickly or easily as Macau… Contrary to the narrative – Hong Kong will be allowed to keep its system until 2047 – so the steps to correct it will take another decade. By then the NSL will probably have worked and the oligarchs who want to still function as a cartel will have left for London or Vancouver or Syndey by 2030 (if the world continues).

    I was hearing about the Lantau plans and frankly I think it’s too much money. I think they need to ease the border issues so people can live on the mainland. Similar to what Macau and Zuhai are doing. Hey that shiny new bridge is there – so use should be made. I plan make it that way HK in the next year or so and hope to cross it. I know a fair number of HK people have moved to Foshan to escape the high prices… Ideally though with all the new infrastructure (such as the High Speed Rail) – people could keep their HK jobs and move to cheaper locales. It’s a common thing in major metros around the world.

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  153. @antibeast

    Yes, unlike their counterparts, the serfs in Europe, Chinese peasants were not bound by their lands and landlord. Well-to-do peasants could leave their land. Also, unlike the European feudal system, the Chinese one was not hereditary, hence the saying “you can be rich for 3 generations at most”.

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  154. @Astuteobservor II

    Yes, China’s “aging problem” has been greatly exaggerated.

  155. @dogbumbreath

    This is where I suggest you just KILL YOURSELF and speare others their own choice.

    Heard you the first time. I have the sense that you are within 10 years from the legal drinking age, on either side. Am I right?

    Now if your saying “nothing is final” then my only conclusion is you’re one really dumb MF that has zero logic. You are marked Troll.

    Religious concepts regarding eternal life are beyond the scope of this ‘discussion.’ If you believe life is a ‘one and done’ you might try acting less unpleasant.

    Chinese put Chinese first, which is how all mentally-healthy races act. Should the RED chinese take over the world, you might understand (too late) why death is preferable. (If you are Chinese, all you need do is obey; fail to do so and your new home in a mass grave awaits.)

    Apparently the education racket abandoned teaching history, since people who understand it know what tyranny means while those ignorant attack the messenger.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  156. @Badger Down

    Don’t try to jew things up to seem hip.

    Do you not know the Chinese are a global threat? More so than the USSA or Israel?

    Aren’t you a self-righteous vegan? You should at least be pissed chingchong also eat dogs and cats and whatever else woks on four legs.

    • Troll: d dan
  157. @denk

    I’d change it to sick of denk* but I’d have to take a number.

    * actually not true. no idea who you are.

  158. @Deep Thought

    Germany built our new frigates and submarines, The Suisse built our warplanes. Russia is being touted as a potential supplier of nuclear energy. Our youth look to the USA and Europe for scholarships and guidance – much to our chief commie’s disgust. LOL

    This paragraph summerizes the slave mentality. This nigger is really too stupid. Chinese, Euros, Kikes or Arabs, it doesnt matter. Any self respecting people will enslave them.

  159. @Astuteobservor II

    China should be the one that feeds them and provides billions of dollars of medical aid to the continent. The future intent is do away with Africans and have the continent full of Chinese consuming Chinese made goods while the natural resources are extracted. Chinese companies in Africa are famous for not wanting to use African labor but rather their imported Chinese laborers. They are also famous for having compounds where Africans are not allowed to enter.

    A people that can’t even provide for their population nutritionally and medically and be self sustaining are destined to be controlled by others. Too late now. We should have realized this back in the 50’s and 60’s and not let the Africans have self government. Since then we have effectively ceded the continent and its natural resources to the Chinese.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  160. @Sick of Orcs

    Ethno-nationalist takeover of the world over “high iq” (((huwhite))) homosexual pedophillic kiked capitalism cyberpunk insanity.
    Chinese cyberpunk means real Gattaca eugenics and real advancement in technology.
    (((Huwhite)))cyberpunk would be like in the game, without the technology but more niggers, trannies and other sick garbage.
    It is good that Europe is distancing itself from muttmerica every day. The indigenous people of this continent need a serious therapy on a grand philosophical and historical scale. Which definitely won’t be found anywhere near the (((huwhites))) of muttmerica.

  161. @dogbumbreath

    No matter how many words you and others throw up on any kind of discussion of Africa sub Saharan Africa is still a non-self sustaining economic basket case with the Chinese taking advantage of the government and people with their innate corrupt ignorance and stupidity the same way slavers did hundreds of years ago by giving Africans guns and trinkets to go back into the interior of the continent and capture their fellow Africans for slavery in the New World. I don’t dress up the situation with cultural Marxism or political correctness.

    • Agree: Sick of Orcs
    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
    , @antibeast
  162. frankie p says:
    @antibeast

    It should additionally be pointed out that the culture and society gave considerably more respect and prestige to those Confucian scholars, and they were well aware of the potential for corruption from those wealthy merchants, who produce nothing. From the time of the Zhou Dynasty (Warring States), this classification system played a large role in the culture and thinking of the Chinese people. Note that the classes are in order, with merchants occupying the lowest position in society.

    Gentry/Scholars, shi (士) — the elites, i.e. military commanders — this class is the literati.
    Agricultural Producers — nong (农) — peasants, producers of foodstuff.
    Labourers — gong (工) — craftsmen. artisans, etc.
    Merchants — shang (商) — lowest because they do not produce (grow or create) their own.

    The Chinese still revere scholars, and it’s not just a joke that parents all want their children to become doctors. The question is, why do they celebrate rich businessmen in the modern world?

  163. Anonymous[137] • Disclaimer says:

    Organized Jewry is on the precipice of attaining absolute global power. I don’t know how exactly they’re going to fuck it up, but based on history, we know they will do just that.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  164. @frankie p

    why do they celebrate rich businessmen in the modern world

    Residue of the century of humiliation and corruption from the (((west))). Obviously the ruling and educated class of China don’t “celebrate” those scumbag. Otherwise the country would have had became a twink paradise like muttmerica, instead of where it is now.

  165. @RoatanBill

    1) Yeah but they have never given up on gold and hard asset.

    2) no – they prefer not to have to take over… that’s why the lend at low rates… and when they can’t pay – they renegotiate… Another fake western narrative. Ex 1 – African countries were forgiven $60 billion in debt.. Ex 2 – Sri Lanka never gave up their port – a Chinese companies PAID them to lease it and if the government gets confident they can renegotiate to get back the lease. Ex 3 Jamaica – they built a brand new highway renegotiated the use of the tolls to not distress the small island nation…

    3) the so called “ghost cities” are a fake narrative… in the next 2 decades a rural population equal to the entire United States has to urbanize for China to become a developed country…

  166. @RoatanBill

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Song_dynasty_coinage

    Fiat money is always the evolution after the limited gold standard, when a state got massive, just like China has always been.

    It is how and who control the deflation/inflation that matters.
    And oh boy, which civilization has always despite the merchants, and which one has voluntarily created an overclass made entirely of merchants, preferably foreign ones?

  167. antibeast says:
    @frankie p

    The question is, why do they celebrate rich businessmen in the modern world?

    They don’t. That was Deng exhorting Chinese “to get rich is glorious” but Maoism is making a huge comeback in China, especially after Xi’s ascent to power, where serving the country and people rather than getting rich is now the official party-line. Having said that, China is indeed encouraging private entrepreneurship in the technology and service sectors as a means of encouraging innovation, providing livelihood and creating wealth for the common good. Xi in particular wants the private sector to serve the national interest instead of just making money. That is why a lot of rich businessmen whose private fortunes were obtained illicitly had to flee China after Xi’s crackdown on “Tigers and Flies” to root out endemic graft and corruption.

    The Chinese still revere scholars, and it’s not just a joke that parents all want their children to become doctors.

    Correct. Scholars — University Professors, Research Scientists, Government Officials, Public Intellectuals — are still revered in China today where they are seen as the preferred mates for the daughters of rich businessmen.

  168. antibeast says:
    @last straw

    Yes, unlike their counterparts, the serfs in Europe, Chinese peasants were not bound by their lands and landlord. Well-to-do peasants could leave their land. Also, unlike the European feudal system, the Chinese one was not hereditary, hence the saying “you can be rich for 3 generations at most”.

    Unlike European feudalism, Chinese feudalism was familial rather than institutional in nature. Both the Church and State institutionalized feudalism in Medieval Europe where landed and titled aristocracies exercised social and political power over their European serfs whom they exploited for economic gain. The Spanish Conquistadores then exported this European-style medieval feudalism to what is now Latin America in the form of the encomienda and haciendado systems of indio serfdom.

    In contrast, Chinese peasants only had an economic relationship with their Chinese landlords who did not possess any kind of social and political power over their tenant-farmers. If they wanted to leave those farms, they were free to do so. There was no organized religion in the form of a centralized polity such as the Catholic Church whose bishops and priests had spiritual power over their European parishioners nor was there a landed and titled aristocracy who exercised social and political power over their European serfs.

  169. denk says:
    @Sick of Orcs

    sick of life

    Better the world be nuked then live under the yoke of Red Tyranny Combo Plate #42.

    “Yankee Go Home” is chanted in Baghdad after parliament asks for US troop expulsion
    https://www.mideastdiscourse.com/2020/01/06/yankee-go-home-is-chanted-in-baghdad-after-parliament-asks-for-us-troop-expulsion/

    Iraqis, Syrians, Afghanistan, Okinawans, koreans in chorus…

    Fuck off gringos

    sick of life

    Better the world be nuked then live under the yoke of Red Tyranny Combo Plate #42.

    No surprise.
    gringos are brought up like that…
    ‘If I cant have it my way I’ll bring the ball home’

    sick of life is a typical gringo who never out grown such mentality of entitlement..
    ‘I’d rather destroy the world than losing pax
    murikka’

    People who entertain the idea of ‘nuking the world’ so cavalierly at every turn is a pox on the world.

    Fuck you.

  170. denk says:
    @anon

    The gringos goaded the Ozzies to cut their own nose to spite their biggest customer .
    Now big bro is jumping in to take advantage of the blow back hitting Oz point blank !

    There’s a Chinese saying…

    The cunning one do the talk,
    the dumbo take the walk.

    Ozzies really need to learn some Confucian ethics.

    hehehhe

  171. @NightTrain

    Mothafucker, did you just typed that china plans to genocide the entire continent of Africa and fill it up with chinese?

    Did you really type that shit?

    • Replies: @NightTrain
  172. @Anonymous

    Even though my comment was brief, but it was succinct and super straight to the point.

    How stupid are you?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  173. @Anonymous

    The ascension of China fucked their plans. And they have no way to latched onto the Chinese host like they did in USA n Europe.

    That is game over.

    I seriously think if nothing happens in 10 to 15 years, China #1 will no longer be a meme. But what can stop china short of nuclear war?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Chinaman
  174. @Mustapha Mond

    While I overall agree with what you stated, I should bring to your attention that the Israelis, as a society, are suffering from the plandemic just like everyone else.

    Here, we have to shed light on the theory that Jews are just accessories to the PTB, a derivative from what Noam Chomsky once said about Jews that they are” intermediaries between exploiters and exploited”. How much does the hierarchy of self proclaimed Jews like the Rothschilds and the Sassoons care about the lot of the average Jew is a matter of speculation but I very much doubt that the relationship between big Jew and small Jew is anything more than strictly utilitarian.

    “We Jews. We are the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (p.155)“

    A fine reminder from Douglas Reed’s “ the controversy of Zion”, where the same quote appears. The destruction always happens when the accessory had been exhausted and milked dry and then to be replaced by a fresher prospect. Hence the 20th century was America’s century but the 21st century will be China’s century.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  175. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I don’t know; why don’t you tell me?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  176. Anonymous[185] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Yeah, keep telling yourself that.

  177. @Joe Levantine

    “We Jews. We are the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own.” (p.155)“

    You have mistaken the whites for Jews:

    “We whites. We are the liars, cheaters, thieves and destroyers. Nothing you do, or NOT do, will meet our demands and needs. We will forever bully and destroy because we want a world solely for ourselves.” (Comment 178, UNZ mag)

  178. @Maowasayali

    Likewise, thank you. I too hope for the best but as the saying goes; hope for the best, prepare for the worse. The rise and fall of both China and the US is as we know, by design. One currency for another in the hands of the same degenerates. As @John Hagan (comment no.52) posted:

    “That the chinese money system (computerised electronic) will do away with physical cash or dollars in all those countries that BRI covers and use the Chinese cashless apps will spell the slow but inevitable end for the US dollar. The transactions will start small and local but will eventually prevail overall other. Already the ‘SWIFT’ money transferr system is being outclassed by other players in cluding the Chinese which already has the largest volume of trade on the planet.”

    The BRI could very well be a positive project, I don’t know. As you said, we’ll know soon enough. It is said that China lifted hundreds of millions from poverty – how true I don’t know but I am thinking it’s more or less accurate. I read once that China gave its people a “choice” (it wasn’t really a choice since it was imposed): you’ll get financial prosperity but no democracy. If that’s the plan for the rest of the world, at least the latter part, then we should worry. We should also define the “lifting out of poverty” and how it contributes, or not, to one’s overall well being.

    Like everything else, the City backing the Yan in 1913 was reactionary. The likes of Sun Yat-sen and JFK were sworn enemies of the City/Deep State. Yat-sen, JFK, etc represented the peaceful development of country, the family and the industry. Albeit unknown or not well know, the Republic of China has American roots. Sun Yat-sen admired the ideals of the American Revolution – a liberation from Britain’s (Jewish) empire of slavery, usury and colonialism. In that regards, the middle class was and still is an obstacle the Deep State has always despised and eliminated.

    They are indeed deep into astrology, astronomy, numerology, etc but I never thought the Taiwanese flag shared resemblances with the Jesuits’. Maybe I am not seeing it. Side note, the Jesuits was their creation to infiltrate the Church. The star of the Chinese flag seem identical to the ones of the US. Never looked into the origin of flag designs but I will. Another side note, the Sun never setting on the British Empire comes from Xerxes has he invaded Greece. He had said:

    “We shall extend the Persian territory as far as God’s heaven reaches. The sun will then shine on no land beyond our borders”

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  179. @Astuteobservor II

    No. China will eventually colonize Africa because they can. The Africans are in their way. The Africans are powerless to stop them just as they were powerless and cooperated with the slavers 400 years ago in capturing other Africans for slavery in the New World. Just substitute the slavers with the .Chinese minus the slavery. The Africans are a primitive people destined to be controlled and manipulated by others. The Chinese are not the first.

    • Disagree: showmethereal
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  180. @frankie p

    The question is, why do they celebrate rich businessmen in the modern world?

    Short answer: Because the modern world is Jewish and Mammon the new religion.

    • Agree: frankie p
  181. @NightTrain

    No matter how many words you and others throw up on any kind of discussion of Africa sub Saharan Africa is still a non-self sustaining economic basket case with the Chinese taking advantage of the government and people with their innate corrupt ignorance and stupidity the same way slavers did hundreds of years ago by giving Africans guns and trinkets to go back into the interior of the continent and capture their fellow Africans for slavery in the New World. I don’t dress up the situation with cultural Marxism or political correctness.

    This is what people in America conclude without meeting real Africans or visiting Africa. Having spend part of my undergraduate in France studying with Africans and spending a year travelling around Africa via motorbike, my opinion is Africa’s predicament is a result of longstanding “internal” corruption, Colonial powers taking advantage of the continents dis-unity , Colonial powers kicking away the ladder (https://akarlin.com/2009/10/kicking-away-the-ladder-review/) and decades worth of negative propaganda which have demoralized the native population.

    Many African are NOT basket cases. Now, in their current economic development, can they compete with the West?…the answer is NO. What they can do is leverage what “others” want and sell/partner with the highest bidder and that appears to be China; at the moment. This is not about PC or any other “ism”, it is simply Africa looking to get the best deal (for himself or country or both) based on the past, current and future.

    Someone in France once said, “Without Africa, France will slide down into the rank of a third [rate] power”. There is some truth to this statement which applies to other Western nations (Corporations) as well.

    https://siliconafrica.com/france-colonial-tax/

    • Troll: NightTrain
  182. @Hiram of Tyre

    “ We should also define the “lifting out of poverty” and how it contributes, or not, to one’s overall well being.”

    I have been dealing with Chinese suppliers and subcontractors for more than twenty years. In some I saw such an avidity to making money. Some of the younger elements bemoaned that life under the poverty of communism was happier. One personal friend and business associate who is a person of great integrity and whose grandfather was a high official in the Chinese party, complained bitterly that people in China lost all sense of values in their pursuit of money, mentioning stories about useless infrastructure projects such as bridges that lead to nowhere.

    “ the Jesuits was their creation to infiltrate the Church“

    In Juri Lina censored book “ Under the Sign of the Scorpion”, a fascinating read, he mentions that Loyola the founder of the Jesuits was a Jewish convert. However, one does not look into the authenticity of this claim to get an idea about the Jesuits and their role. Just listen to the pronouncements of the Jesuit Pope Francis and it won’t take you long to realise their detrimental effects on the essence of Christianity as if Vatican II had some unfinished business that is being implemented by this illuminated Pope. The problem is that many Catholics believe in papal infallibility, but forget that while the concept itself does not stand on a foot, the requirement of infallibility requires that such pronouncements be done through the magisterium and not by having Pope Francis shoot his mouth off about immigration and gay rights while entertaining himself with journalists on an airplane.

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
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  183. @Hiram of Tyre

    I never understand the worship of kennedy or sun yet sen. Who cares about an individual, they don’t matter.

    And seriously, do you actually still buy into the freedom and democracy crap? What if I tell you that the Chinese right now enjoy more freedom than us?

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  184. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I can’t deny the “jihad against China”, which is coming from the Trump Administration. In my opinion, the jihad is justified.

    The troll’s slip is showing, !

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  185. @Anonymous

    Well, at least you know you are stupid. Glad we got that clear up.

    When are you going to grow a pair and create a handle?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  186. @Joe Levantine

    Thanks for sharing your experience with your Chinese friends. I can only imagine the difference between what we see from the outside and how it is inside. Another point of consideration and the one I was alluding to is that the “lifting out of poverty” is unlikely a benevolent endeavor. I hope I am wrong.

    I remember vaguely you mentioning Lina’s book in the past; I will obtain a copy. Reading the book’s summary on Amazon, it echoes the content of Gioele Magaldi’s “Massoni” – where all past and present historical figures have belongs to masonic Ur Logdes. The Venetian oligarchy called themselves “Venetian first and then Christian” (a hint that they were hardly Christian). And so, Ignatius Loyola’s case wouldn’t be any different. Venice was ruled by Jews. Couldn’t have said it better about Pope Francis. On this note, have you heard of his recent call to fix capitalism with the help of none other than the Rothschild, Rockerfeller, et al. Can’t make this up.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  187. Anonymous[736] • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You clearly have a mental disorder, I’m concerned it might be contagious. You should definitely get vaccinated.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  188. antibeast says:
    @NightTrain

    Here’s Rwandan President Paul Kagame on Western arrogance towards Africans and Africa:

    “Who are you? You should not belittle Africans or leaders of Africa…”

    • Replies: @NightTrain
  189. Chinaman says:
    @showmethereal

    If you travel from the airport to HK island, you will notice that Lantau is barely populated and there is only Tung Chung.

    There is plenty of land in HK.

    It is insane that prime locations are used for unprofitable activities like Disneyland, golf courses ( look on google map for Fanling ) and county clubs (clearwater bay). That is all vestiges of the colonial era which needs to be mow down. Just those pieces of land could be worth a trillion US…The urban planning bureaucracy ( together with property developers ) is at fault for the situation now. What those rioters and the opposition don’t understand is that CCP is the only entity who can challenge those special interests and impose land reforms in HK. I do agree with the rioters that the current HK government is totally inept and corrupted to its core. It needs to be overthrown…and replaced with the CCP!

    A lot of HKer are actually recent immigrants from the mainland and many don’t want to go back to China. I think it is futile to convince the millennials to seek opportunities in China. The animosity and cultural divide is not something that a new bridge can resolve. I personally thought about moving the family to Shanghai or Beijing when things got crazy last year but I honestly feel a lot more comfortable in HK ( or Phucket).

    May I ask about

  190. @frankie p

    “I agree with you that the Taiwanese people don’t deserve to die. They are on the whole much more rational than the government, and many of the government initiatives in recent years go against the thinking of the majority of the population. These would include domestic issues such as gay marriage, nuclear power, corporal punishment and recently the importation of US pork with traces of ractopamine”

    Yes and it boggles my mind how Tsai and the DPP have been able to get away with such things… Help me understand. It seems since the Sunflower movement – things have gone mad on the island.

  191. Chinaman says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    But what can stop china short of nuclear war?

    Stop China from what? Improving the livelihood of its people? Or building infrastructure in Africa?

    No, you can’t stop that because the people themselves wants it.

  192. @Astuteobservor II

    It’s not about worship, at least not to me but the ideals of what they represented.

    Not sure where you read me write that I buy the “freedom and democracy crap”. You don’t have to tell me, I know.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  193. @denk

    Let me know when you have something better to say. My point was/is that China’s rise (like its destruction under Mao) is not indigenous (certainly not saving they couldn’t have done it) but in hands of the same Jews who rose and now are destroying the US. Trump’s jihad against China, imo, is justified to save the US. I didn’t mean it in the sense that Trump should destroy China.

  194. @Anonymous

    I know I am plagued with intelligence and critical thinking skills. Such is life. Why would I want to become as stupid as you are?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  195. @Hiram of Tyre

    What evidence do you have for your assertions? Last time I asked this question, I was told to Google opium trade and the jewish link. And it was completely unrelated.

    When you posit a gigantic theory like this with literal global implications, you need to provide some sources. Your words are not enough.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  196. @Hiram of Tyre

    I read once that China gave its people a “choice” (it wasn’t really a choice since it was imposed): you’ll get financial prosperity but no democracy. If that’s the plan for the rest of the world, at least the latter part, then we should worry. We should also define the “lifting out of poverty” and how it contributes, or not, to one’s overall well being.

    Do you literally forget what you typed the moment you hit the publish button?

    In the same quote you think living in poverty contributes to one’s overall well being. 🤣

    And where did you read about the choice?

    Your comments are oozing with wild claims with nothing to show for them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  197. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Let me know when you have something better to say. My point was/is that China’s rise (like its destruction under Mao) is not indigenous (certainly not saving they couldn’t have done it) but in hands of the same Jews who rose and now are destroying the US. Trump’s jihad against China, imo, is justified to save the US. I didn’t mean it in the sense that Trump should destroy China.

    I think you’re displacing your hatred of Jews onto China.

    Let me explain.

    How did Trump wage a jihad against China? By imposing tariffs on US importers? But he also imposed tariffs on US allies such as Canada, Mexico, India, Vietnam, etc. which is not as widely hyped by US politicians. The hidden intent of the anti-China political rhetoric is to deflect the attention of the public away from the Wall Street globalist elites who designed this neoliberal globalist economic system in the first place wherein manufacturing and professional services industries were “outsourced” from the USA to lower-cost developing countries such as China and India, respectively. That’s why Trump also went after India by limiting H1-B visas, among other things.

    Those Indian H1-B workers who take on high-paying white-collar jobs requiring English-speaking skills and a college-education deal with the IT systems of major US multinational corporations and US government agencies. In many cases, they also work with the tech giants in Silicon Valley. But you don’t hear US politicians talking about Indian IT workers on H1-B visas “stealing” professional services jobs from native-born US workers. Nor do you hear them talk about the “national security” threat inherent in employing foreign-born IT workers dealing with sensitive software such as those found in US government agencies not to mention those found in US weapons systems. Instead, all you hear from US politicians is how China poses a “national security” threat to the USA by selling industrial commodities such as solar panels or consumer goods such as LCD TVs. This so-called “China Threat” political rhetoric is then used by the US Deep State to justify more defense spending for the US military-industrial complex.

    But Trump hardly believed in the “China Threat” theory. That’s why he withdrew the USA from the TPP which was designed by the US Deep State as a way to “contain” China economically as part of Obama’s Pivot to Asia. To make matters worse, Trump never cared about the geopolitical issues that mattered to the US Deep State such as the HK riots (which was instigated by them), Xinjiang Uyghurs, SCS dispute, etc. Instead of confronting Xi, Trump praised him.

    Similar acts (or non-acts) by Trump on North Korea (Kim Jong-un), Syria (Assad), Philippines (Duterte), Venezuela (Maduro), etc. showed clearly that Trump was not “in” the game of geopolitics. To make matter worse, Trump was undermining the strategic interests of the USA by harassing US allies such as South Korea where Trump demanded that they pay five times the cost of hosting US troops there or Europe where Trump demanded that they pay more for the cost of NATO.

    In other words, Trump was waging a “jihad” against the US Deep State. And THAT was their problem which they needed to take care of by carrying out a “regime-change” operation against Trump. If you believe otherwise, please don’t blame China for all the social, cultural, economic and political problems of the USA. Blame the US Deep State, Wall Street globalist elites, “Jews”, etc.

    • Thanks: Hiram of Tyre
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  198. @antibeast

    He makes a good case why Europe and America should end all their aid to Africa. The leaders of Africa can go on being despots smashing the bones of their fellow Africans and imprisoning them for disagreeing with them, creating armies of AIDS infected people and babies, starving to death because of famine with no way to queue up for a bag of rice because the food aid organizations are gone, and drowning in their own diarrhea from diseases like cholera with no medical aid from foreign countries without Europe or America interfering in a massive population correction of the continent.

    • Troll: dogbumbreath
  199. @Astuteobservor II

    What evidence do you have for your assertions? Last time I asked this question, I was told to Google opium trade and the jewish link. And it was completely unrelated.

    When you posit a gigantic theory like this with literal global implications, you need to provide some sources. Your words are not enough.

    I am confused. I did not address a single word to you about Jews in relation to China. I did so to @denk. Are you by any chance posting under different usernames? If so, might I suggest you pay attention next time.

    That said, it’s not a theory. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I would deduce you are honestly ignorant of real history. The creation of the British Empire by the Jewish merchant/banking class and of that Empire’s meddling in China for centuries very much happened.

    Do you literally forget what you typed the moment you hit the publish button?

    In the same quote you think living in poverty contributes to one’s overall well being. 🤣

    And where did you read about the choice?

    Your comments are oozing with wild claims with nothing to show for them.

    I can only assume now that you do indeed post under different aliases. Either way, I am glad it made you giggle but you should know that you misunderstood the point I was making.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  200. @antibeast

    Thank you for your comment/explanation. Before all, I did/do no blame the US’ problems on China; not one bit. I have always and still blame the centuries-old, metastasizing, cancerous Jewish banking class of the City of London. They need to be eradicated once and for all.

    I concur with the many points you brought up; especially that Trump’s war on China is in reality one against the Deep State and the regime-change perpetuated on him by the Deep State. Trump did meet and praise Xi on many occasions and I do believe he wants a mutually-beneficial relationship with China; which the Deep State has sabotaged. You accurately brought up some of Trump’s moves to counter the Deep State but what has Xi done on his end? I don’t know hence why I ask. We could think that China’s rise and current status was/is indigenous but we would be fooling ourselves. That is not say that China could not have done it by itself but we know that the West was de-industriazlied but he Deep State while China was built, industrialized and came to be what it is today. No free lunch; there is a plan. Follow the money.. the City of London backing the Yan since 1913 (the same year they created the US Fed), the IMF looking to move its HQ to Beijing, etc are all indicative of another shift of capital in the same way the British Pound made room for the US dollar after WW2. Shift of capital in the hands of the same vile creatures implies the perpetuation of what we have know to date: financial enslavement, usurious practices, bubble economies, perpetual wars, etc. In the general sense of it, and the way I see it, China is their blueprint for the rest of the world. Is China a free and democratic country? Can a Chinese citizen critic the CCP publicly knowing that he/she will not face repercussions (jail, etc)? I don’t know hence why I ask. In my opinion, and please correct me if I am wrong; albeit its rise, financial strength, etc, China is a totalitarian country where freedom of speech/thought isn’t permitted. There is most certainly a Deep State in China and Xi, if he is like Trump, might want to clean house. So far, I don’t know if he did anything in that regards.

    That said, I hope Trump, Miller, Flynn et al. do bring the hammer down and clean the house. Time, albeit short, will tell.

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    , @Anon99
    , @antibeast
  201. d dan says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    “… the City of London backing the Yan since 1913…”

    What a joke. PRC was not even founded in 1913, and there was no such thing as RMB (people’s currency) until much later. And what is this idiotic claim that London “backing” the Yuan (not “Yan”)? What does “backing” even mean?

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  202. @d dan

    The Chinese Yuan was introduced in 1889. Otherwise, yes, the PRC did not exist in 1913 and neither did the RMB; point being what exactly? As far as the “idiotic claim” goes, you can read about it here:

    World yuan-ization thanks to the City of London
    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

    p.s. Yan was a typo; don’t lose yourself over it.

    • Replies: @d dan
  203. anon[454] • Disclaimer says:
    @Badger Down

    Of course, it’s in a decline and has been for years, gutted manufacturing base, infrastructure which needs at least 3 trillion dollars just to bring it up to a passing mark. Forty million+ living in poverty and God alone knows how many homeless there are. Over a million children going to bed hungry.

    Can’t or won’t put in a high speed rail to take the pressure off the decaying highway system, perhaps they don’t know how, and perhaps they could have hired China to come over and show them how to do it for half the cost, America is little but a banana country without any bananas squabbling over the remains. Printing endless money whose value shrinks every day. But those with eyes but yet cannot see will declare its utopia at last.!!

  204. d dan says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    “The Chinese Yuan was introduced in 1889. “

    Really? So Chinese Yuan was introduced by the Qinq Dynasty, and was being promoted in 1913 by London after Qinq was overthrown? The story is getting more and more weird with each of your comment.

    And then this incredible statement in your link:

    “In mid-1913 the United Kingdom became the first country to promote the use of the yuan in Europe. Germany, France, Switzerland and Luxembourg entered the competition through the installation of OCB to facilitate the use of the «people’s currency» (‘renminbi’).”

    See the idiocy? It says the “«people’s currency» (‘renminbi’)” was promoted by UK in mid-1913. Please tell how did UK (and all the European countries) promote a currency that did NOT exist?

    Unbelievable.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  205. Anon99 says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Here’s a test of your democracy and free speech. Go on Twitter, use your real name and espouse the same viewpoints as you do here. There is no such thing as free speech. Anywhere. Stop blathering on about it.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  206. @d dan

    You keep on missing the point. Maybe you believe that China is independent and its rise, indigenous. Maybe you also believe that Communism/Moaism were of Russian/Chinese origins (?).

    The point is that the predatory bankers of the City of London have eyed China’s currency since 1913. The same year they created the US Fed; which you perhaps think is governmental and not private.

    Currencies rule the world. Go ahead and deny the essence of the point but just look at what’s happening:

    “That the chinese money system (computerised electronic) will do away with physical cash or dollars in all those countries that BRI covers and use the Chinese cashless apps will spell the slow but inevitable end for the US dollar. The transactions will start small and local but will eventually prevail overall other. Already the ‘SWIFT’ money transferr system is being outclassed by other players including the Chinese which already has the largest volume of trade on the planet.”

    The City has a tendency to announce their plan, like in the cover of their The Economist (2018):

    • Troll: d dan
  207. @Anon99

    What are you saying? That China is better for not being different. Or that China is worse for being the same?

    p.s. Never said my democracy was more democratic or my speech more free.

    • Replies: @Anon99
  208. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    hiram the genius

    I did/do no blame the US’ problems on China; not one bit

    hiram the idiot

    Trump’s jihad against China, imo, is justified to save the US

    Make up your mind yet , genius ?

    hehehehe

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  209. Anon99 says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I’m saying that you’re holding China to standards which your nation cannot meet either.

  210. @denk

    I am glad I made you giggle but you should take a moment and read more carefully next time instead of cherry picking.

    Trump’s war against China does not mean the US’ problems are attributable to China.

    The core of the problem, as all my comments here have stated, is the usurious, cancerous and metastasizing bankers of the City of London – not China.

    • Replies: @denk
  211. @Astuteobservor II

    I don’t believe it officially changed yet – but yeah it is absolutely necessary… Even if not for the workforce numbers – but simply because it would end up with a pension system like Brazil or Greece… There is no way they can afford that kind of early retirement with life expectancy being what it is now.

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  212. @NightTrain

    Why on earth would China want to colonize Africa?? that makes no sense. and actually China was trading with East Africa before the Transatlantic Slave Trade happened. No slaves were taken to China – nor colonies made. That’s not China’s thing.

  213. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    So pray tell, how does jihad against China ‘helps’ fukus ?

    Let me guess, is it like when the sheriff cons the
    deputy Oz to piss off China big time, so murikkan farmers, wine merchants , lobster growers can jump in to supplant their Ozzie bros ?

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/us-hits-search-and-destroy-against-the-new-silk-roads/#comment-4340564

    astute = denk = antibeast

    No shit, Sherlock !
    YOu’r such a fucking genius.

    buahahahaha

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  214. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I concur with the many points you brought up; especially that Trump’s war on China is in reality one against the Deep State and the regime-change perpetuated on him by the Deep State. Trump did meet and praise Xi on many occasions and I do believe he wants a mutually-beneficial relationship with China; which the Deep State has sabotaged. You accurately brought up some of Trump’s moves to counter the Deep State but what has Xi done on his end?

    Correct. In fact, Trump (and his advisers) have always blamed past US administrations for passing NAFTA, allowing the “outsourcing” of US factory jobs, etc. Now, Trump is not exactly fond of China but he was constantly saying that Xi is for China while he is for the USA. Trump (and his advisers) felt that the Wall Street globalist elites, US politicians (swamp), US multinationals, etc. were against the USA while the US Deep State was against him. But that’s US politics which has nothing to do with Xi.

    We could think that China’s rise and current status was/is indigenous but we would be fooling ourselves. That is not say that China could not have done it by itself but we know that the West was de-industrialized but he Deep State while China was built, industrialized and came to be what it is today.

    China joined the WTO only in 2001. The USA had been de-industrialized by then with the GATT, WTO and NAFTA paving the way for foreign imports to flood the USA since the 50s. Prior to WWII, the USA practiced economic protectionism by keeping foreign imports out to protect domestic manufacturers. But changed after WWII with the onset of the Cold War which convinced the US Deep State that the USA needs to open its market to foreign imports from former enemies turned US allies such as Germany and Japan while “outsourcing” the manufacturing of consumer goods to the Third World to prevent them from falling to Communism. That’s how Germany, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Mexico, etc. became manufacturing powerhouses while US manufacturing industries were gutted to the core.

    What happened was that low-cost manufacturing of consumer goods and industrial commodities moved from Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Mexico and Southeast Asia to China after its entry to the WTO in 2001. But that changed again after the GFC in 2008 when the Chinese authorities made a strategic decision to restructure the Chinese economy away from low-cost manufacturing of consumer goods and industrial commodities for export markets (chiefly to the USA) to high-value technology and services industries serving the domestic market. By the time Trump launched his trade war against China, Chinese exports to the USA had already dropped to just 3% of its GDP as factories relocated to Southeast Asia, Mexico, India and lately Africa. Trump did impose tariffs not on consumer goods but on industrial commodities made in China. Trump also imposed tariffs on steel and aluminum worldwide which is the raw material for industrial products. The problem was that these import tariffs hit the bottom lines of US manufacturers who depend these imported commodities which go into products produced in the USA.

    There is a popular misconception that the Chinese economy is somehow dependent upon the US market and that Chinese industry was somehow “built-up” by US multinationals. That is simply not true. In fact, US multinationals were the LAST to invest in China AFTER their East Asian and Western European competitors have already moved in after Tiananmen. To this day, US multinationals rely on their contract manufacturers from Taiwan (Foxconn, Wistron, Pegatron), Singapore (Natsteel, Flex) and HK (Li & Fung) to operate their factories in China (and increasingly Southeast Asia, Mexico, India, etc.) to custom-make US goods for export to the USA. Here’s a video of a riot in an iPhone factory owned by Taiwanese firm Wistron in India:

    Are you now going to blame India for “stealing” US factory jobs now that US multinationals are “outsourcing” the manufacturing of their products to those places? And not just manufacturing but also professional services industries such as software development are being outsourced to India. Instead of bewailing the symptoms afflicting the US economy, US citizens such as yourself better start recognizing the disease which is the neoliberal globalist economic system that benefits the Wall Street globalist elites but hallows out the economic base of Main Street USA. That’s the disease that Trump et al recognized and tried to cure but faced the hostility of the US Deep State. After carrying out the “regime-change” operation against Trump, the US Deep State will now “go after” his deplorable followers who pose an existential threat to the interests of the Wall Street globalist elites.

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  215. @Anon99

    I agree. I believe it’s because the same parasitical clique has infested both.

  216. @Anon99

    Didn’t realizer I hit send. To add: would you however disagree that the suppression of free speech in the social media and/or media in the US started, or was rather enforced, with the 2020 election? Trump himself, the POTUS, isn’t an exception to that “rule”. Before him, and since JFK, both sides of the “government” were pretty much on the same side serving the Deep State – and so, there was no need to suppress anything – at least not in the blatant manner of today. The case of democracy was/is the same: with everything being exposed with the 2020 election, chances are that every single election was manipulated to place puppets in power.

    • Replies: @Anon99
  217. @denk

    By jihad against China, I meant the war Trump has waged against China – in reality, the Deep State, aka the bankers (City of London and Wall Street). As I said, had you read more carefully, you would have understood. I thought I was clear but if not, I’ll make an extra effort next time; panting snowflakes aren’t my cup of tea.

    As far as the second part of your comment goes, I have no clue what you’re raving about.

    • Replies: @denk
  218. Menes says: • Website
    @dogbumbreath

    From what I can see on the ground in Africa, two decades ago vs last year, is that real modern infrastructure has been put on the ground with Chinese investment. What a difference from my first visit to Africa (i.e. Malawi) when I saw mostly dirt roads with signs that said USAID.

    Exactly. What a difference!

    Nairobi, Kenya:

    [MORE]

    Addis Ababa, Ethiopia:

    Maputo, Mozambique:

    Luanda, Angola:

    Lagos, Nigeria:

    Abuja, Nigeria:

    Dar es Salaam, Tanzania:

    Kigali, Rwanda:

    Abidjan, Ivory Coast:

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  219. Menes says: • Website
    @Menes

    Oops, screwed up the copy/paste a couple times.

    Here’s Luanda, Angola:

    [MORE]

    Here’s Maputo, Mozambique:

  220. Anon99 says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I suspect censuring happened well before Trump but it has been exposed by him. The problem also is that there is official censuring and public censuring in the West (see the fallout for JK Rowling for expressing her views) which makes ironically provides the the West narrower field of discourse than China.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
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  221. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    If you dont blame China for US’s problems,
    why do you support jihad against China ?

    Specifically,
    How do the following ‘save‘ the USA ?

    1] sponsoring color rev in HK.

    2] slandering China over Xinjiang, HK, alleged hacking, fifth columns, covid……

    3] Global Chinese Exclusion Act…
    sabotaging Chinese investments in Nepal, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, SK, SEA, never mind
    the [[[five liars]]] and euros.

    4] Fanning the flame in SCS, TW, ECS…

    5] Trying to snuff out Chinese high tech, eg,
    the war on Huawei etc.

    Tip of an iceberg.

    By jihad against China, I meant the war Trump has waged against China – in reality, the Deep State, aka the bankers (City of London and Wall Street)

    All of the above is an attack on ……..
    Deep State, aka the bankers (City of London and Wall Street !!!

    What the fuck are you smoking kid ?

    Raving

    Didnt hiram the Sherlock deduce that astute = denk ,simply cuz he’s responding to the same thread. ?

  222. @Anon99

    but it has been exposed by him.

    Yes, that’s more like it.

  223. @denk

    Not smoking anything. The (valid) tip of the iceberg you brought up are the work of the Deep State in question. Where is the HQ of the “Five Liars”? City of London.

    China is another “Liar”, part of the NWO gang. Its demonization helps them, the “Five Liars” and the EU milk their MIC budget. History repeats, not sure why you choose to turn a blind eye when it comes to China. Take the case of the Cold War between the US and Russia; nothing but a boogey-man show to keep people scared, justify MIC spending, while technology was transfer from the US to Russia – ref.: Anthony Sutton, “Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development”.

    I alluded that about @Astuteobservor II, not astute. Apply yourself a little.

    • Replies: @denk
  224. @denk

    Correction:

    Take the case of the Cold War between the US and Russia US and the Soviet Union; nothing but a boogey-man show to keep people scared, justify MIC spending, while technology was transfer from the US to Russia – ref.: Anthony Sutton, “Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development”.

  225. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    China is the deep states current bogeyman to justify [[[their]]] MIC gravy train

    NO shit, Sherlock !

    Trump’s jihad against China, imo, is justified to save the US

    Surely you mean ‘to save the MIC’ ???

    yoU HAVent answered me…
    How’s the jihad against China ‘an attack on the deep state, hq London’ ???

    May be you aint smoking ,
    but Do you know what you’r talking ?
    With each new post, you just keep contradicting yourself !!!

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  226. @Hiram of Tyre

    Hey anon. Learn to respond when asked a question. Stop trying to dodge. I know very well who you responded to. What does that have to do with me asking questions of my own.

    This is an open comments sections.

    Oh shit, please don’t tell me you got no answers? Another retard with a stupid jewish China theory.

    Moments like this I wish unz review allows a short label of each anon handle. Would save alot of time.

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  227. @showmethereal

    If the ccp announced it, it is happening. That is ccp efficiency.

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  228. @denk

    I did answer. It’s not to save the MIC but to redress/rectify the US industry and end the perpetual wars nonsense. China is the creation of the City, the next step of their agenda.

    • Replies: @denk
  229. @Astuteobservor II

    I alluded that you post under different usernames, you repeat the same. At least, be original. I am not anon. I only have this one very username.

    Regardless, I did not dodge anything but didn’t understand the context of your approach/question since I had not discussed those matters with you. You jumped and wrote:

    “What evidence do you have for your assertions? Last time I asked this question, I was told to Google opium trade and the jewish link. And it was completely unrelated.

    When you posit a gigantic theory like this with literal global implications, you need to provide some sources. Your words are not enough.”

    – What assertions?
    – Who and what did you ask?
    – What “this question”?
    – What was “unrelated”?
    – What “gigantic theory”?
    – “Sources” for what?

    I wouldn’t know where to begin. Not only it would takes hours of writing to lay out the context of the people in question, their geopolitical aspirations, etc; I would also expect anyone remotely aware of real history to know this or at least some of it. The British Empire’s centuries-long meddling in Asia/China is frankly no secret. For some reason, it’s the “Jewish” element that seems to bother you.

  230. @Anon99

    Indeed… Not only would you be flagged by Twitter – but employers can legally search your social media and use that as criteria for hiring certain positions. Indeed there is no such thing as free speech… Just different degrees of restrictions

  231. @antibeast

    Great comment. Yours is one of the best explanations of the situation I have read on this site.

    I think the only part you left out was the decision to remove the US from the gold standard. That also played a huge part in outsourcing as the US “needed” foreign cou tries to have a want for US dollars.

    That is also one of the reasons the US hates the New Silk Roads. China is encouraging currency swaps. Now even in RCEP – which wasn’t even a China initiative – I learned that settlements will move toward local currency. That is where a lot of the hatred of China is coming from. They could get rid of Saddam and Ghaddafi for wanting to do such in the mid east and Africa respectively – but China is more difficult… So instead they want to incite hatred against China. Now even using India.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  232. @Astuteobservor II

    Yes – i meant the time frame of the implementation. I haven’t seenthe date ranges

  233. @Hiram of Tyre

    The British Empire’s centuries-long meddling in Asia/China is frankly no secret. For some reason, it’s the “Jewish” element that seems to bother you.

    To the Chinese, Jews are White people with extra large noses. lol

    If my memory is correct, I think it was Philip Roth who made this observation in his 1969 novel Portnoy’s Complaint, which I read and enjoyed as an impressionable teenager, and which probably made me philosemetic for most of my adult life–such is the propaganda power of pulp fiction and (((American Popular Culture))) in general.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  234. I assume as well the so called Chinese spies in America and all the attended hysteria are useful idiots, how could the nation that spends 10x more than the rest of next 10 nations on military budget not be aware of Biden and his sons dealings, like russiagate, its all a ploy to give fuel to the exceptionalists who refuse to take responsibility for their own misgivings and project their corruptions on to nations abroad in order to fuel the zog military industrial complex, as the motto of moosad goes “by way of deception thou shalt wage war.”

  235. @Maowasayali

    The Chinese are clearly misinformed.

    Never heard of Roth and his “Portnoy’s Complaint”. Wikipedia returned the following:

    Portnoy’s Complaint is a 1969 American novel by Philip Roth. Its success turned Roth into a major celebrity, sparking a storm of controversy over its explicit and candid treatment of sexuality, including detailed depictions of masturbation using various props including a piece of liver.

    That made you philosemetic? Not judging but asking.

    • Replies: @Maowasayali
  236. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    It’s not to save the MIC

    you claim the China bogeyman is the standard MO for the deep state to feed the MIC, isnt the Trump gang doing exactly that with its hysterical yellow peril, 24×7 fear porn ?

    but to redress/rectify the US industry

    Clobbering Toshiba to save Intel,

    KIdnapping the Alstom executive to save GE,

    Nuking HUawei to save CISCO, Apple etc./..

    I can understand the logic behind these moves, even tho it smacks like the MO of some mafia don, but I guess this has been the way of fukus since 1785 !

    Yet how does sabotaging Chinese investments in Nepal, Bangladesh, SriLanka, Africa save gringo industries ???

    end the perpetual wars nonsense

    .
    How ?
    BY color rev in HK, terrorism in Xinjiang ?
    Or saber rattling in the SCS, ECS, TW straits ?

    BTW,
    When are you gonna get the hell outta Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, OKinawa, Diego Garcia ?
    YANKEE GO HOME !

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  237. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    That is also one of the reasons the US hates the New Silk Roads. China is encouraging currency swaps. Now even in RCEP – which wasn’t even a China initiative – I learned that settlements will move toward local currency. That is where a lot of the hatred of China is coming from. They could get rid of Saddam and Ghaddafi for wanting to do such in the mid east and Africa respectively – but China is more difficult… So instead they want to incite hatred against China. Now even using India.

    The RCEP was actually initiated by ASEAN in response to the TPP which excluded most of Southeast Asia. The New Silk Road was initiated by Xi in response to Obama’s “Pivot to Asia” which was designed to contain China and included the TPP as its economic component. After the failure of Obama’s “Pivot to Asia”, the US “Deep State” then came up with the “Indo-Pacific” strategy which Modi’s India accepted as a way of ingratiating itself with Trump by offering India as a US partner to contain China. But Trump merely paid lip service to the “Indo-Pacific” strategy and instead withdrew the USA from the TPP, abolished the GSP and limited H1-b visas going to India.

    Indonesia has already announced that its bilateral trade with China will be conducted in Yuan while China has just launched its “Digital Yuan”, the first Sovereign crypto-currency in the world. Prior to this, China had been lining up “currency swap” agreements with a number of its trading partners such as Russia, Iran, etc. So it’s clear that China’s intent is to eventually drop the USD as its international trade/settlement currency.

    The US “Deep State” is in a bind: all its schemes to “contain” China forces a reaction to those schemes which damages US strategic interests including the economic viability of the USD as an international reserve currency. The USA imposed sanctions on China after Tiananmen which failed to isolate China in the 1990s. Now the US “Deep State” wants to try again in 2020 when China’s GDP is now 15 times larger than what it was in 1990.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  238. @Hiram of Tyre

    That made you philosemetic? Not judging but asking.

    No, my philosemetism did not come from just reading Roth’s novel, and when I did read it, it was in the 1980s.

    The novel and the “depictions of masturbation using various props including a piece of liver” (I don’t even remember that in the novel, but now that I am forced to think about it, it is indeed very perverted) was no longer controversial.

    Mainstream North American culture was already highly sexualized by the 1970s, following the sexual revolution of the 1960s– needless to say it was a sexual revolution engineered by the Jews.

    Sadly, you missed my whole point: American or any “Pop culture” that promotes unbridled sexuality is a Jewish weapon against goyim.  

    You’ve never heard of Philip Roth until today? You’re probably not American or a lot younger than me.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  239. @denk

    All valid points and yes those acts/machinations are the modus of the fukus since 1785; but if you remember, Trump met and praised Xi on many occasions. There was a high chance of a mutual-beneficial relationship for the US and China; I think there still is. The conflicts/wars/chaos-loving (Anglo-American) Deep State could not bare such idea in the same way they cannot a peaceful relation between the US and Russia. Toshiba, Huawei, Alstom, etc was/isn’t the work of the Trump Administration but of the Deep State. Trump’s way of redressing the US industry was in existing the Paris Accord, the TPP, etc. That said, what’s with Trump’s “hysterical yellow peril, 24×7 fear porn”? In my opinion, it’s smoke and mirrors to go after the Deep State and its cronies in the US (Bidens et al.).

    Trump has tried and is trying to get out of those countries but faced serious opposition each and every single time. In many ways, Trump inherited a third Obama term. Hopefully, he clears the Pilgrims once and for all.

    • Replies: @denk
  240. @antibeast

    Do you think China is a real threat to the Deep State or is the Deep State merely manipulating both sides (US and China) to foment opposition in order to milk the MIC and achiever other objectives (namely to drop the US dollar in line with their next “Green Economy” bubble)? The Deep State never takes sides but all so I can’t help but wonder.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  241. @Maowasayali

    Thanks for clearing your point of view. I hope not to have offended you as I did in fact misunderstand you. I did also , in part, miss the point of your comment but I cannot agree enough with it.

    p.s. I am (Christian) Lebanese in origin living in the USA for now 15 years.

  242. denk says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Trump met and praised Xi on many occasions.

    Then, the moment he turned his back….

    Another tariff escalation and tech embargo announcement,

    More sanctions on China over HK, Uighurs , SCS and all that jazz./

    Action speaks louder than words,
    dude.

    Sure,
    Toshiba, Alstom wasnt on Trump’s watch.
    BUt this potus oversee the biggest trade war and tech embargo on China in history, issuing diktats to all and sundry …

    Dont do biz with the Chinese or else…….

    hiram

    Its the deep state, not Trump

    Sheesh,
    IM sure Trump is dragged screaming and kicking to sign on those Global Chinese Exclusion Act

    LOL

    You bet its the deep state’s work, except,
    Trump is merely their latest iteration of front manager.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  243. @Hiram of Tyre

    Yeah, more dodging. You don’t have to explain anything. Link your sources.

    The efforts you just spent dodging is kinda telling but I am just super curious if retarded anons like you would provide something interesting for me to read on this supposed “jewish led chinese master plan” with a 1913 start date.

    And retard, we are all anons. Even our handles are anonymous. The emails we used doesn’t even need to be real. Handles are so anons can have a conversation. So you can check my comments history to prevent appearing like a retard.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  244. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Do you think China is a real threat to the Deep State or is the Deep State merely manipulating both sides (US and China) to foment opposition in order to milk the MIC and achiever other objectives (namely to drop the US dollar in line with their next “Green Economy” bubble)? The Deep State never takes sides but all so I can’t help but wonder.

    The US “Deep State” are political ideologues in the US National Security/Foreign Policy establishment who view US “exceptionalism” as the moral imperative of the US Empire. Part of that ideology requires maintaining US military supremacy in order to ensure geopolitical hegemony all over the world which mandates supporting the US MIC, NATO, US military bases in Japan/South Korea and the GCC countries, Israel in the Middle East, endless wars, regime-changes, fifth-columnists, Western “fake news” propaganda, etc. Those opposed to this US Empire are constantly demonized, viz, Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba, etc.

    What the US “Deep State” don’t understand is that they are merely useful idiots for the Wall Street globalist elites who benefit the most from what should be called their USD Empire. The Chinese authorities know this very well. That’s why Xi proposed a “deal” with the Western globalist elites in Davos and subsequently offered the offshore Yuan business to the UK, which would have turned the City of London into the de-facto international financial center of China.

    But the Anglo-Americans in the US “Deep State” reacted bitterly to Xi’s offer to then British PM Cameron because that move would have marginalized Wall Street and revived the City of London as the premier international financial center of the world, a position lost to the USA after WWII. If the UK had accepted Xi’s offer, then that would imply a changing of the guard — from the USD to the Yuan — which would have meant the rise of China and the decline of the USD Empire.

    To counter Xi’s moves in the West, the Anglo-Americans in the US “Deep State” quickly hatched their anti-China moves by framing the Huawei CFO, instigating the HK riots, forcing the UK to drop Huawei, enlisting Australia as their useless idiot, etc. There’s an element of “sour grapes” in the way the Anglo-Americans reacted to the prospect of the City of London displacing Wall Street because they just couldn’t stomach a reversal of their geopolitical position vis-a-vis their British cousins. Remember, the Anglo-Americans were estranged from their British cousins who were very anti-American throughout the 19th century. That changed only in the first half of the 20th century when the British needed the US to help fight their wars against the Germans in Europe which brought the Anglo-Americans and their British cousins together in the transatlantic alliance. That alliance became the geopolitical foundation of the post-WWII West which waged a “Cold War” against Soviet Communism. The end of the Cold War has rendered that US-centric geopolitical architecture irrelevant and superfluous which is causing a sense of dread and anxiety to the Anglo-Americans. To justify their Empire, the US “Deep State” has since wasted trillions of US taxpayer’s dollars on stupid wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Ukraine, Yugoslavia, etc., all in the name of Yankee “exceptionalism”.

    The Anglo-Americans don’t know this yet but somebody ought to tell them that their glory days are over.

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  245. @denk

    You could be right but China isn’t all innocent. Either way, time will tell.

  246. @Astuteobservor II

    See it as you may but don’t expect me to answer you when all you have done is resort to ad hominem (when I did not insult you once). If you’re not comfortable with the “Jewish” attribute of the plan, address it as “Deep State”, or whatever and get busy educating yourself.

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  247. @antibeast

    Thanks for your comment. I think we differ mostly on our view of the US Deep State, the Wall Street Globalist Elite and the City of London. To me, there are one and the same with the City of London being at the very top, Wall Street being its extension in the US and the Deep State being, as you rightfully stated, useful idiots. And so, when I write of the “Deep State” or the “City of London”, I imply them all as one group.

    “Those opposed to this US Empire” – are they really. At least in full. I ask became I remember the MI6/CIA enthroning the mullahs of Iran to get rid of the Shah. The mullahs being Muslim Brotherhood, a British intel creation to serve Anglo and now Anglo-American interests in Muslim nations. Russia’s leadership is divided but Putin seems to have done a good cleaning. Venezuela, real or controlled opposition? Chavez and Maduro seem aligned with the Globalists; always keeping Venezuela backwards. You seem them as more or less three groups sometimes disagreeing – news to me.

    Xi’s offer to offshore the Yuan to the UK and the US Deep State’s reaction is interesting. It would imply that the UK and the US don’t see eye to eye – if so, did this start under Trump? To the best of my knowledge, whatever the City said, the US did. Also, you write of “a position lost to the USA after WWII” – I would disagree here. It wasn’t lost but merely transferred (capital shift) to continue their modus from the US. The City has planned a similar shift from the USD to the Yuan. Additionally, why would Xi make such offer if he is not in part of in full aligned with them?

    Agreed on the irrelevance of the US with the ending Cold War. I would add that there was apparently a plan to partition the US after the fall of the Soviet Union but it was postponed with the PNAC’s plan – perpetual wars under the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski doctrine of destruction.

    The Anglo-American’s glory may be over but the City of London continues to thrive. And so, I can’t help but wonder if anything has changed at all. A case of metastasizing parasite. Some of those globalist elite have had ties to china for well over a century.

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  248. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    To me, there are one and the same with the City of London being at the very top, Wall Street being its extension in the US and the Deep State being, as you rightfully stated, useful idiots.

    No they’re not. The Anglo-Americans needed foreign Capital to develop their newly-independent country during the 19th century. But the British were quite hostile to the USA which forced their Anglo-American cousins to turn to the Jews in the City of London for Capital with Wall Street Jews acting as their financial agents. That’s the same situation today with Wall Street Jews heavily invested in China despite the hostility of the Anglo-Americans who run the US Deep State.

    Xi’s offer to offshore the Yuan to the UK and the US Deep State’s reaction is interesting. It would imply that the UK and the US don’t see eye to eye – if so, did this start under Trump?

    It started under Obama who initiated his “Pivot to East Asia” which was designed to contain China. Xi actually offered his “New Great Power Relations” deal to Obama but was quickly snubbed by the US Deep State. After figuring out that Obama was a mere Uncle Tom, the Chinese pretty much ignored Obama and treated him like a “house nigger” of the US Deep State. Xi then proposed the offshore Yuan deal to then British PM Cameron on his visit to the UK in 2015, one year before the BREXIT vote. After that, all hell broke loose with the US Deep State reacting in panic at the prospect of the UK aligning itself with China.

    To the best of my knowledge, whatever the City said, the US did. Also, you write of “a position lost to the USA after WWII” – I would disagree here. It wasn’t lost but merely transferred (capital shift) to continue their modus from the US.

    The City of London was the de-facto international financial center of the world with the Pound Sterling serving as the de-facto international reserve currency before WWII. After WWII, the USD became the international reserve currency as a result of the Bretton Woods Agreement. The City of London did lose its position as Wall Street took its place as the de-facto international financial center of the world.

    The City has planned a similar shift from the USD to the Yuan. Additionally, why would Xi make such offer if he is not in part of in full aligned with them?

    Xi wanted to strike a deal with the Capitalists in the West, shortly after assuming power in 2012. He had already purged Deng’s liberals but wanted to assure the Davos crowd that he means business. After failing to come up with a modus vivendi with Obama, Xi then offered the offshore Yuan deal to then UK PM Cameron. His motive was to develop a strategic relationship with the City of London as a way of internationalizing the Yuan but Xi’s moves freaked out the Anglo-Americans in the US Deep State which might explain their hysterical reaction since then.

  249. Perplexed to say the least. The way I am understanding your comment is that the City of London does not participate in geopolitics and only serves as financiers. Hard to believe. Didn’t the gang of the City create the US Fed and the rest of the central banks of the world? The way I see it is that the City creates scenarios and environments in order to keep benefiting financially. Never ending clash between nations has only benefited them.

    Besides, if the US Deep State is opposed to the City’s deal with Xi; why attack China and not the City’s assets instead (US Fed, Wall Street, etc)? Last time I checked, all the useful idiots of the US Deep State bend backwards to China. Last time I also checked, the only one fighting China is Trump – is he Deep State?

    To come back on Xi’s deal with the City, it unlikely happened in the heat of battle (Davos) but was likely planned a long time ago by the City who created the necessary oppositions. Obama was/is the City’s puppet. The City’s next economic/financial bubble (Green Economy) has been in the works for decades – they need it to shift the trillions of debts they accumulated from their current bankrupt system in order to survive – new/increased taxes, new “Green” investments, etc. Getting rid of the US and its fossil-fuel petro-USD is too perfectly coincidental with that machination. This is planned with China on board.

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  250. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Perplexed to say the least. The way I am understanding your comment is that the City of London does not participate in geopolitics and only serves as financiers. Hard to believe. Didn’t the gang of the City create the US Fed and the rest of the central banks of the world? The way I see it is that the City creates scenarios and environments in order to keep benefiting financially. Never ending clash between nations has only benefited them.

    No they don’t, at least not directly. They’re more into the top-level, ideological and strategic stuff, such as deciding the ideological framework for the geopolitical issues of the day. Examples include the creation of Bolshevism and the role it played in the October Revolution in Russia, the founding of the CCP in China which was aided by Soviet Communists, the involvement of the USA in WWI and WWII, the Cold War between the USA and the USSR, etc.

    And yes the City of London created the Fed which acts as the Central Bank of Central Banks. Before the Fed, they created the Bank of England which lost its position to the Fed. They also created the BIS which acts as the bank for Central Banks. As such, they’re involved in the financial affairs of pretty much all the countries in the world. But they don’t go out and carry out political assassinations, military coups, foreign invasions, etc. That’s the dirty work done by the Deep States in the USA and the UK, i.e., CIA and MI6, respectively.

    Besides, if the US Deep State is opposed to the City’s deal with Xi; why attack China and not the City’s assets instead (US Fed, Wall Street, etc)? Last time I checked, all the useful idiots of the US Deep State bend backwards to China. Last time I also checked, the only one fighting China is Trump – is he Deep State?

    That’s my point: the US Deep State are useful idiots whose geopolitical machinations all over the world only serve the neoliberal globalist order which benefits the Wall Street globalist elites while harming the national interests of the USA. That was Trump’s “America First” ideology which runs counter to the “Wall Street First” ideology of the US Deep State.

    The US Deep State don’t have the power to attack the US Fed and Wall Street because they’re just useful idiots who are programmed to serve the globalist elites in Wall Street. And no, Trump didn’t “fight” China, at least not based on the military and political strategy of the US Deep State. Under Obama, the USA was far more aggressive and expansionist towards China, pitting the Philippines by stationing US troops there in order to counter China in the SCS. Also, Obama negotiated the TPP which would have excluded China from trade and investment with the USA. All these moves were part of Obama’s “Pivot to East Asia” which was cooked up by the US Deep State in order to “contain” China.

    Instead, Trump was fighting the Wall Street globalist elites and their minions in the US Deep State by attacking the supply-chains of US multinationals doing business in and with China. You could say that Trump was “fighting” China by hitting the bottom lines of US companies. That’s like saying that Trump was “fighting” China by shooting the US economy in the foot. After all, US companies bear the cost of the tariffs not Chinese manufacturers. Unlike Obama, Trump evinced no interest at all in confronting China militarily and politically where it counted to the US Deep State. Instead, Trump was constantly praising Xi, Kim Jong-un, Duterte, etc. while lambasting US allies, threatening tariffs, withdrawing US troops, etc. to the horror of the US Deep State. When Duterte expelled US troops from the Philippines, Trump praised Duterte for saving the USA the financial burden of defending the Philippines against China in the SCS dispute. Instead of supporting the TPP against China, Trump withdrew the USA from the TPP on his first day in office!!! All in all, Trump thrashed Obama’s legacy in East Asia and Southeast Asia by ending his “Pivot to East Asia” which lessened the risk of military conflict between the USA and the North Korea in East Asia while avoiding US involvement in the SCS dispute between China and the Philippines.

    Trump it turns out was a pacifist who ended Obama’s bloody legacy in the Middle East by withdrawing US troops in Syria while refusing to confront Russia and Iran there. To his credit, Trump lessened the risk for military conflict between the USA and Russia in the Middle East.

    To come back on Xi’s deal with the City, it unlikely happened in the heat of battle (Davos) but was likely planned a long time ago by the City who created the necessary oppositions. Obama was/is the City’s puppet. The City’s next economic/financial bubble (Green Economy) has been in the works for decades – they need it to shift the trillions of debts they accumulated from their current bankrupt system in order to survive – new/increased taxes, new “Green” investments, etc. Getting rid of the US and its fossil-fuel petro-USD is too perfectly coincidental with that machination. This is planned with China on board.

    Wow, that’s wacky stuff. Too much conspiracy theory there. The globalist elites are financial capitalists who make their money from investing their capital in growth industries and emerging economies all over the world. If the next growth industry is in the “green economy”, that’s where they’ll put their capital to work. That’s just business for them. The problem for the USA is that the globalist elites have lost confidence in the US economy which is driven by debt-spending on the US MIC, too dependent on fossil-fuel industries (which was promoted by Trump) with too many unproductive people dependent on US welfare handouts.

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  251. Abhraka says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    I had to go through every comment until finally @Realist broke through the phony dichotomy
    and laid it bare. The USA project IS the BRI British Empire Pump and Dump and The Judeo American P&D . Notice that Pepe won’t speak to the barcoding and forced injecting the pan opticon
    social credit slavery aspect of the so-called Chinese Better Business Bureau. You want more technologically advanced drone civilization. As Lenny Bruce said:Guilty by omission, forget it.

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  252. @Hiram of Tyre

    Ad hominem my ass.

    I doubt I can be more direct in my last few replies to you.

    Answer or stfu like the last few anons who brought up this retarded topic.

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  253. America spends more on their military than the next 10 nations combined. More engineers graduate in China every year than exist in the whole of America. America believes it needs to manufacture enemies to prop up its main export, death and destruction. This further explains why Biden stated, “if Israel did not exist we would have to invent one.”

    Birds of a feather. Time to diversify Americas economy. China, Russia, and America are brothers. Every time paranoid cries china brain drain America Ratheon stocks spike;

  254. @antibeast

    About your 1st and 2nd paragraphs: precisely my point, the City is the top boss with the intel agencies, Deep State et al. executing their orders to fulfill their design of the world. The examples you laid out cannot be more on point. I differ in regards to two points: the BIS bank in Basel, and not the US Fed, is the central banks of central banks and that the Bank of England did not loose its position but that the position was merely shifted/transferred to the US in the same way it will be to Beijing if/when they plan comes to fruition with the next leading currency.

    About your 3rd to 6th paragraph: I highly doubt that the containment of China under Obama wasn’t approved by the City. In the end, it’s the US MIC and Wall Street who ended up benefiting. If not or anything, the City is the absolute master at never siding with anyone but with all sides to always come up on top. They have done so for centuries. Positioning troops around China is mostly symbolic. How long has NATO done the same to Russia? Has any war, yet alone the slightest skirmish, ever happened? When a clash happens, it’s often small and limited – question of justifying more MIC spending on both sides – which outsiders sell weaponry. Your depiction of Trump’s clash with China is unfortunately on point; it only ended up hurting American companies. Should Trump come back, it makes you wonder what Trump can do to help the US economy – especially when it’s built and accustomed to perpetual wars.

    About your last paragraph: You know the City is behind most of the biggest global machinations/implications of the past but somehow see the City as merely taking advantage of an upcoming economic shift. I invite you to read the following report how the City is very much behind the Green Economy as well: https://bit.ly/3p7JTk2. It was introduced with the “Climate Change”, “Global Warming” (a real but natural phenomenon) hysteria (“panic”, “we will die”, “we don’t have time”, “countdown”, etc) shouted by their usual useful idiots. They brought in a child this time, Greta Thunberg (she is related to Svante Arrhenius, considered the father of modern science). Like everything else, you know it’s utter bullshit when politicians, celebrities and everyone in between chants the very same thing ad nauseam. It has nothing to do with losing confidence in the US (the US was/sis to them another imperial tool that they are now dumping after sucking it dry) or fossil fuels (which are cheap, proven and reliable). Their current “global” (theirs really) debt (approaching $300T) cannot be repaid (not that they have the intention to). Their system is basically bankrupt. The Green Economy, another bubble which will take the world on another similar (but worse in many regards) ride will save them in shifting trillions into it. Their BlackRock, banks, funds, etc are have all positioned accorindlgy.

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  255. @Astuteobservor II

    It’s “retarded” due to your ignorance and bias. You suggested I check your comment history where I read “As I am one of the most avid defenders of China.”. I get it, you think/believe/want China to be different, the good cop, the hero, the different, the logical, the answer, etc. In many regards, I agree, it is a beacon of light, especially compared to the US. My critic is not China but the parasitical City of London’s influence in/on China.

    The City of London has had its eye on China for a long time. The London Jew, Morris Abraham Cohen (aka Two-Guns Cohen, aka General Ma Kun), finding its way to and helping Sun Yat-sen to overthrow the Qing Dynasty was not random. The same London Jew convinced China not to veto a UN Resolution in the creation of Israel. It reminds me of Simon Bolivar (protégé of Jeremy Bentham) liberating lands under Spanish rule that ended up under British rule. Fast forward to today, China has a deal with none other than the same City of London to internationalize the Yuan.

    It’s a rise and fall cycle, the City of London orchestrated WW1/WW2 to get rid of its competitors (Germany and Russia (aside from an alliance between the two, Germany was set to become the banking/financial center of the world (something the City of London is today)), partition the Middle East to solely be in charge of its prized natural resource, created the world’s superpower (US) based on that resource, created Israel (with its symbiotic relationship to the US), etc. Now that it accumulated an unsurmountable amount of debt, the City is shifting host (China) and is using a new strategy (something in the works for decades actually), the fossil-free Green economy. [You’ll note how the US is being destroyed in the same way others were – the Hitleri-zation of the leader (Trump), color revolution (BLM, Antifa), etc.] China fits all too perfectly in the City’s on-going “Green” scheme – it was given preferential treatment in the Paris Accord (apparently, China is a “Developing Country), the City setting up a Green finance centers in China, etc. Besides I don’t know what to make of your pal Xi’s offer of Covid QR-Code movement passport (recent G20 Summit) but that he is very much on board the City’s NWO agenda. That said, see this report on the Green Economy and its relation to the City of London and China (for the record, it’s written by people who are avid defenders of China like you): https://bit.ly/3arLf55

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  256. @Agent76

    I’ve been following Catherine Austin Fitts’ work for quite a while. The $21 Trillion that DOD and HUD absconded with could have purchased all manner of new weaponry and a mercenary army just waiting to be called upon. What else do you do with that much money?

    Rumsfeld announced on 9/10/2001 that DOD couldn’t account for $2 Trillion. Then 9/11 happened the next day and his announcement was forgotten.

    The missile that hit the pentagon aimed at the Navy team that was investigating the missing money; they were all killed. There was no plane because if there were a plane, there would have been 2 giant holes where the engines hit the building and they didn’t exist. Also curious was the Building 7 implosion. It just happened to contain the only backup for the records that were destroyed at the Pentagon.

    In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happened, you can bet it was planned that way.
    Franklin D. Roosevelt

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  257. Bork says:
    @profnasty

    Soon, White men will be a 15% hated minority.

    Being persecuted is a central sacrament of christcuckianity. These perverts are looking forward to the day they get to have their christianity validated by being victims.

  258. @Hiram of Tyre

    Geez. Wtf. I asked for sources on jewish led China. Not retarded climate change denial bullshit founded by big oil.

    Do you know why retarded shit like what you linked exists? Petrodollar you damn retard.

    The biggest reason for china to be so damn invested in renewables is because of energy security.

    What a fucking retard.

    And retard, I don’t think of anything when it comes to China. My opinions on it are merely my observations. I am not you. Please kindly stop projecting your retarded shit.

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  259. @Astuteobservor II

    You talk about projecting when that is precisely what you have done each and every time you wrote “retard”. Regardless, when you are done picking your prolapsed anus off the floor and take a deep breath to calm yourself down, read the report I linked to. It’s neither funded nor written by big oil and it lays out the City of London’s plan with their Green Economy and China. It’s not about Climate Change (which albeit real/natural is manipulated by Globalists to serve the next bubble economy).

    China is indeed heavily invested in renewables but it is also in traditional fossils. What is your point?

    I don’t think anything of China either and everything I write here is equally my observation. The fact that your views may differ from mine does not entitle me to insult you/anyone or throw a tantrum in the form of an emotional meltdown. As far as your (valid) request for sources goes, it does not exist in one place. I thought I had made myself clear in saying that it’s a complex matter. It would be identical to asking for sources showing that the US is Jewish led – is this also something you’re not aware of and need to verify? – honest question. To understand the matter, you need to go back in time; at least 500 years when the Jews of the south of Europe moved north to Amsterdam and later England where they founded the Banks of Amsterdam, of England (based on Venice’s Banco di Rialto). It was them who, through the consolidation of colonials enterprises, created the British Empire and later the square-mile, independent City of London (banking/financial center of the world). The bankers of the City of London created the US Federal Reserve and the rest of the central banks in the world. I hope you at least know that the Fed runs the US. The Bank of International Settlements in Basel, considered the mother of all central banks, was co-founded by the Warburg family (known in Venice as Del Banco). It was the bankers of the City who backed the Bolsheviks to destroy Russia (after it helped Britain win the first world war), to impose Communism (not a Russian ideology), etc. The City did the same to China under their Mao (there again, Communism was/is not a Chinese ideology). Who came up with Communism? A Jew by the name of Karl Marx who wrote his essays in the comfort and luxury of London. So tell me, what sources do you want? I have them all in book format but not digital; will gladly link you to titles. Question is: will you spend your next months reading them all in order to understand? If you don’t wish to go back in history, you can verify the City’s financial involvement in China. China’s Yuan deal with the City is major in the most detrimental way. Whatever happened to the US will happened to China, rise and fall with lots of tensions in between. China essentially gave the City the right to print their money (even if it will be digital). History will repeat.

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  260. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Your depiction of Trump’s clash with China is unfortunately on point; it only ended up hurting American companies.

    Those US companies got so fed up with Trump’s China tariffs that they sued his Administration.

    About 3,500 U.S. companies, including Tesla Inc, Ford Motor Co, Target Corp, Walgreen Co and Home Depot have sued the Trump administration in the last two weeks over the imposition of tariffs on more than $300 billion (£235.35 billion) in Chinese-made goods.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-china-tariffs-idUSKCN26H03S

    Should Trump come back, it makes you wonder what Trump can do to help the US economy – especially when it’s built and accustomed to perpetual wars.

    If Trump had won a second term, he would have withdrawn the USA from the WTO and erected a wall of tariffs on the entire world. To be fair to Trump, he did do something good for US auto workers by junking NAFTA which had been responsible for the demise of US auto manufacturing industries. The USMCA which replaced NAFTA this year is far more restrictive, imposing US quotas on autos made in Mexico and exported to the USA while mandating high regional content requirements (up to 70% for autos) as well as the requiring the raw material inputs (steel and aluminum used in autos) to be made in North America. Trump had already announced his plans to impose tariffs on auto imports from Germany, Japan and South Korea in order to revive US auto manufacturing industries which would have complemented his tariffs on steel and aluminum imports.

    Trump also restricted the granting of H1-B visas and sued Silicon Valley companies such as Facebook for abusing the H1-B visa system.

    The Trump administration has sued Facebook Inc., accusing the social-media company of illegally reserving high-paying jobs for immigrant workers it was sponsoring for permanent residence, rather than searching adequately for available U.S. workers who could fill the positions.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-claims-facebook-improperly-reserved-jobs-for-h1-b-workers-11607023044

    Regarding your description of the “climate change” narrative, I agree with you that the City of London globalist elites had something to do with the hype which tend to promote their “We are the World” mantras. But the “green economy” business model had been gaining traction due to economic reasons such as in China which relies on crude oil imports, mostly from the Middle East. Unbeknownst to most people, China has already bet the farm on alternative energy industries as a way of ensuring its energy self-sufficiency. The City of London had nothing to do with China’s adoption of this paradigm shift to a “green economy”.

    The USA went the opposite direction after the US shale oil revolution turned the USA into the world’s largest producer of oil. Trump went all in to promote fossil fuel industries by gutting five decades worth of environmental protections and turned against the “green economy” by slapping tariffs on solar panels imported from China. Trump subsequently sought to revive US auto manufacturing industries by canning NAFTA and replacing it with the USMCA.

    Methinks you give too much credit to the City of London globalist elites who just like everyone else have their pet peeves and favorite pets. You would do the same if you have as much money as they do. But the reality is that countries all over the world act in their own narrow parochial interests which is why the City of London globalist elites came up with those silly “We are the World” mantras in order to unite all countries into one big world.

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  261. @Hiram of Tyre

    Stop ranting. And stop the wall of text.

    Either put out a credible source or stfu.

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  262. @antibeast

    Thanks for the added info on Trump.

    The City does not only have something to do with the hype of the Green Economy, it designed it from the ground up (in the same way they designed the neoliberal economic/financial policies) and the rest of the world adapted to follow it (so much for countries acting on their own). Above all here, and this cannot be emphasized enough, the Green Economy is aligned with their technocratic plan for the world under one order – Sustainable Development, Agenda 21, etc. See this short transcript interview with Patrick Wood (“Technocracy Rising”). Additionally, and to address the point of China, its rise, development and adaptation to new energies were not indigenous:

    The Trilateral Commission, its members and their globalist cronies are the principal drivers for Technocracy. This is demonstrated by their key roles in creating Sustainable Development, Agenda 21, the creation of the European Union and the restructuring of China into an economic powerhouse.

    https://skyvisionsolutions.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/technocracy-rising-talking-points.pdf

    On the contrary, I don’t think the City is given enough credit. The fact that most people think the US Fed is federal/governmental speaks for itself. Simply put, virtually nobody knows of the City’s existence and their past and present role in shaping the world. On a side but related note, I remember film director Aaron Russo’s interview with Alex Jones (yes, that Alex Jones but hear me out). Russo had befriended a member of the Rockefeller family (“Nick”, Nicolas) who loved his movies (something tells me it was “Trading Places”). Anyway, as they became close, Nick foretold Russo, months before it happened, that an “event” would result in the US chasing ghosts in caves – it was 9/11. Among other things discussed, was the private nature of the Fed and the IRS. Nick had also told Russo that their goal is to chip people to not only monitor their movement but also control their livelihood – obey and you get your digital paycheck, don’t and you get nothing. Back then, it sounded crazy but when I look at how this Covid false-flag is shaping our world with the WEF’s Great Reset, “health” passports, digital currency, Universal Basic Income, etc; I believe that Russo’s admissions were unfortunately sincere.

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  263. @Astuteobservor II

    I extended you the courtesy of providing you an explanation to not be like the other guy who told you to “Google Jews and Opium Wars” and you’re still being a thick, obnoxious bitch. At this point, I can only advise that you kindly F off.

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  264. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Whoa! That’s mind-boggling conspiracy theory stuff. Here’s the actual events leading to the creation of the Trilateral Commission in 1973:

    https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/qfp/103525.htm

    In the 1970s, the U.S. economy was weaker than it had been in recent years. Faced with a recession, rising inflation, and declining manufactures, the U.S. role in the world economy appeared to be shifting. At the same time the economies of Japan and Europe, especially Germany, had grown stronger in manufactures and banking. Emerging nations also sought revisions to the international economic system, encouraging cooperation among the economies of the developed world. In 1970, Columbia University professor Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote a book in which he proposed trilateral cooperation between Western Europe, Japan, and the United States as an effective way of addressing global economic issues that the United Nations, which was perpetually split by North-South divisions, had a difficult time addressing.

    In response to these developments a fellow proponent of this idea, David Rockefeller, chairman of the board of directors of Chase Manhattan Bank, founded the Trilateral Commission in New York City in 1973. Rockefeller hoped to encourage business leaders, academics and politicians to cooperate more closely in defining economic and security problems shared by all three regions and seeking solutions to them. To demonstrate the equality of the three sides of the triangle, the Commission established three headquarters, in New York, Tokyo and Paris, and rotated the locations of annual meetings.

    In its early years, the Trilateral Commission placed a great deal of focus on the issues of trade and finance, as it received support from major corporations with an interest in such questions. At the first meeting of the Trilateral Commission in Japan in 1973, the members discussed monetary reform and trilateral politics. The second meeting, held in Belgium in 1974, expanded this agenda to include relations with developing countries and the global energy crisis. At this meeting, the Commission issued a statement calling for increased aid from the industrialized countries of the North to developing countries, for market-oriented free trade, and also for a cooperative approach to dealing with the organization of the Oil and Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC).

    When Jimmy Carter assumed the presidency, he tried to apply the trilateral approach to his foreign policy. Carter had served as a member of the Trilateral Commission from 1973 to 1976 before he became President, and Brzezinski, a founding member of the Commission, became his National Security Advisor. Many of Carter’s top advisors were also fellow members. Nevertheless, Carter’s efforts to promote the principles of trilateralism in his foreign policy were limited by the energy crisis of the 1970s and the failure of the Trilateral Commission’s efforts to address them.

    Cooperation on this issue proved difficult given that Japan and Europe were heavily dependent on imported oil and were more willing to compromise on Middle Eastern issues than the United States. Beyond the question of oil, when the U.S. Government engaged in bilateral talks with the Soviet Union, European nations left out of the talks became uneasy, and it was difficult to form a trilateral consensus on economic controls toward the communist bloc and nuclear policy. In spite of the efforts of the Commission to encourage a trilateral approach to world affairs, U.S. interests did not coalesce easily with those of the other members, and President Carter ultimately shifted his policies away from cooperation with Europe and Japan to focus on facilitating detente with the Soviet Union and the People’s Republic of China as well as his campaign to promote international human rights. During the 1980s, the Trilateral Commission continued to meet, although it did not enjoy close ties to the Reagan Administration.

    Although it did not achieve everything its founders had hoped for, this effort at trilateral diplomacy did promote stronger ties between Japan and Europe, a relationship that had previously been limited in scope. After the end of the Cold War, the Trilateral Commission has expanded its scope to include a wider sample of developed nations in Eastern Europe and the Asia-Pacific region. Although formal attempts to use trilateral diplomacy to solve problems have declined, the three regions maintain shared interests and the Trilateral Commission continues to meet annually.

    There are other multinational forums other than the Trilateral Commission such as the G7, Davos, etc. They’re just glorified cocktail parties for high-ranking government officials, corporate executives and public intellectuals. Here’s a video of Xi delivering the keynote speech in the WEF 2017 in Davos:

    After the 2008 GFC, China adopted the new “Green Economy” model not because it was told to do so by outside parties such as the Trilateral Commission but because its energy sources were dependent on oil imports from the highly unstable Middle East. Just the opposite happened as Western economists opposed China’s decision to invest huge sums in “Green Economy” infrastructure projects such as high-speed rail, solar energy, wind energy, nuclear energy, 4G fiber-optic telecom networks, etc. in 2010. They were questioning the economic viability of those State-funded projects by applying classic Western neo-liberal economic models of ROI analysis. Ten years later, those projects are now bearing fruit as their network effects have stimulated viral economies of scale by bridging the rural-urban divide.

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  265. @antibeast

    You keep saying “conspiracy stuff” when you, yourself, know the City, the US Fed, the Globalists, etc. Confused. I am aware of the origins of the Trilateral Commission but that mainstream link is similar to pointing to the Bible to validate Biblical events. Anyway, conspiracy, sure. Theory, I don’t know. Whatever Patrick Wood (along with Anthony Sutton) is an expert on the Trilateral Commission. From the same link:

    The late Antony Sutton and myself co-authored Trilaterals Over Washington, Volumes I and II, in 1979, and wrote the monthly newsletter, Trilateral Observer, for several years. Sutton had been a research fellow at Stanford University’s well-known Hoover Institution for War, Peace and Revolution. Together, we were considered the de facto experts on Trilateral policies as they were being implemented in the United States and around the world.

    The content of his book is happening as weak speak. Just read the news more carefully, they’re not even hiding it anymore.

    Agreed about your last paragraph but here again, my points stands: it has always been the Globalists’ plan to weaken the West while rising China. The Globalists linked to the Trilateral Commission have had an immense influence in China’s development, growth and rise; hence the incorporation of the “green” multi-facets.

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  266. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Agreed about your last paragraph but here again, my points stands: it has always been the Globalists’ plan to weaken the West while rising China. The Globalists linked to the Trilateral Commission have had an immense influence in China’s development, growth and rise; hence the incorporation of the “green” multi-facets.

    The source quoted in my last post is from the US State Department which shows in the last paragraph:

    Although it (Trilateral Commission) did not achieve everything its founders had hoped for, this effort at trilateral diplomacy did promote stronger ties between Japan and Europe, a relationship that had previously been limited in scope.

    The Trilateral Commission did not stop the USA from implementing the Plaza Accord which was highly detrimental to Japan. So if your conspiracy theory is true, then Japan would have appealed to the Trilateral Commission to stop the Plaza Accord.

    Same with US sanctions imposed on China after Tiananmen. The Trilateral Commission would have been able to stop those sanctions from being imposed on China if there is a globalist conspiracy to aid China’s development and rise as you allege. Lots of things have happened since then especially under Obama such as the Pivot to Asia, HK Color Revolutions, TPP, etc. which are events hostile to China. Are you saying the Trilateral Commission was also involved in those anti-China moves too?

    Methinks you’re too much of a conspiracy theory buff. You give too much credit to the globalist elites; they are financial capitalists who allocate capital in the global economy. They meet in these private and public forums to discuss issues and exchange ideas about current affairs affecting the world. That’s all there is to it. Behind the scenes, they do have influence on public policy but they’re not politicians whose job is to deal with the masses. Sometimes they get what they want; other times they don’t. Take Trumpism and BREXIT, both populist movements hostile to the globalist elites. Or Xi whose rise to power stoked fears of a Maoist revival in China. That’s why Xi had to travel to Davos — the first Chinese Head of State to do so — because he wanted to assure the Western globalist elites that he was not against them or was he opposed to economic globalization. Everything he has done since then — OBOR, AIIB, RCEP — proves his support for economic globalization.

    The Anglo-Americans in the US Deep State didn’t like what they saw and reacted accordingly by unleashing Obama as their attack dog against China.

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  267. @antibeast

    I am aware that your source came from the US State Department. My point being that official sources are just that: official (i.e. imposed). As I said, it’s like saying that the Biblical events happened because the Bible says so; or that two airplanes did collapse three buildings at the WTC and another airplane hit the Pentagon because the 9/11 Report says so.

    “Are you saying the Trilateral Commission was also involved in those anti-China moves too?” In my opinion, yes. If not the Trilateral Commission, it came from another policing-making think-tank organization relaying orders from above (the City) to below (Deep State). Of course, I could be be wrong but who did those moves ended up benefiting but the City of London (who became the international dealer for the Yuan)? When I look at how pliant the Biden/Harris administration, virtually all Democrats and many Republicans were/are towards China, I hardly see real opposition. I see even less of such opposition against China when it comes to Wall Street. Obama played controlled opposition to hurt the US first and foremost in the City’s long-plan of destroying the Republic.

    Contrary to your assertion, the upper echelon of the hierarchy are not mere financiers taking advantage of a naturally developing world. They are the primary participants in creating the necessary scenarios/conditions/environment to then take advantage of it. By your own admission, you know what they did in Russia with the Bolsheviks, Communism and its equivalent in China with Mao, the CCP. I would assume you also know of their role in WW1, WW2, the partition of the Middle East and most of the world. It was them who also made of the US a superpower. Yet, somehow, they would have stopped meddling in geopolitics all together. Agreed that they are not politicians but they don’t need to be since they have them on payroll indirectly. It is true that they don’t always get what they want but it’s only postponed until they do. Equally contrary, the City and the US Deep State are not distinct entities but are one and the same of different “levels” (the former being the “owner”, the latter being “manager”). Think-tank organizations in between act as relay, formulators of policies pushed on the government where lobbied politicians make it official.

    If I may go off tangent shortly,, England’s biggest secret was(/is) Venice. In his “Coningsby”, Benjamin Disraeli wrote that “The great object of Whig leaders in England from the first movement under Hampden to the last most successful one in 1688, was to establish in England a high aristocratic republic on the model of the Venetian.” When the (Jewish) ruling class of Venice/Genoa were almost annihilated in the war of Cambrai (a war opposing Papal States and most of Europe to the voraciously usurious and perpetual-war-loving Venice), they moved north to Amsterdam and later England, created the banks of Amsterdam, of England, continued their colonial enterprise, wars and usurious modus. They took control of England and have run it ever since. I don’t need to dwell on England’s reaction to the US from its earliest stages. Professor Carol Quigley (“Hope and Tragedy”) wrote of the CFR as the the “American Branch of a society which originated in England … a society that believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one-world rule established.” The US, like England, shares a similar secret with the same clique ruling both.

    This is a lenghty subject and I don’t wish to take more of your time but I can only recommend you look more into the history (origin and development) of the clique in question than their modern-day accords between nations. All in all, it is safe to say that there is a plan by some to create a one-world government. Many governments officials, economists, university professors, the likes of Kissinger et al. and even some of the un/less known upper echelon figures (Warburg, et al.) have openly/publicly talked about it. Their words are on record. One/some of those people in question (forgot who it was) even said that their plan could not have moved forward without the complicity of the press/media (whom he thanked). That said, based on Kissinger’s 1990s speech at the World Affairs Council Press Conference (“… the NWO cannot happen without U.S. participation …”), it would appear today that Trump is a serious obstacle to their plan. Xi, in my opinion, is on board as he and China can only benefit. In the end, it’s about interests.

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  268. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I won’t dispute your view of the City’s influence on the politics of the USA and the policies of the US Deep State but I still think you’re confusing political ideology with policy formulation. The City came up with neoliberal globalization as the post-Cold War mantra of the West. But it’s up to their minions in the US Deep State to formulate policies such as neoconservatism in US foreign policy to serve neoliberal globalization. Elected politicians such as Obama then implement programs such as the “Pivot to East Asia” to serve US geopolitical interests in that part of the world. As I wrote earlier, the City as the “owners” don’t get involved in day-to-day operations which is handled by the “management” led by the US Deep State and their elected puppets. Obama was different in that he was not a puppet but an agent of the US Deep State which groomed him to become President of the USA. They’re now grooming Kamala (the Black Mulatto Woman) and Pete (the White Gay Guy) for the same purpose.

    Trump is a paid puppet while his son-in-law is a secret agent of a Foreign Power who put him into office to serve their geopolitical interests in the Middle East. His sole purpose in public office is to trash Obama’s foreign policy which was hostile to that Foreign Power in the Middle East.

    On China, Obama’s foreign policy was aggressively expansionist and belligerently hostile which saw the deployment of US troops in Australia and the Philippines, the filing of the legal case against China by the Philippines over the SCS dispute, the creation of the TPP trading block excluding China, etc. as part of his “Pivot to East Asia”. People think that Trump was “tough” on China by imposing tariffs on US corporations who import Chinese goods to the USA. But US corporations bear the brunt of those import tariffs not Chinese factories who export those goods to the USA. In contrast, Obama raised the tensions so high that China was already preparing for a military confrontation against the USA by conducting hypersonic missile tests in mainland China and installing missiles in the SCS islands. Out of the blue, Trump came along and completely trashed Obama’s “Pivot to East Asia” by withdrawing the USA from the TPP, thanking Duterte for expelling US troops from the Philippines, praising Xi for his handling of the HK riots, etc. And that was not an accident because Xi had traveled to Davos and later to the City to talk to the “owners” about his plans for China and the world, ignoring Obama who was later treated by the Chinese as nothing more than a “House Nigger” of the US Deep State.

    My own view is that Obama behaved like an Uncle Tom who was too overzealous trying to please his White Masters in the US Deep State. Obama wasn’t even “management” but acted like a “House Nigger” which was how the Chinese later treated him. So did the Foreign Power who put Trump into public office. While the Chinese snubbed Obama on his last State visit to China by forcing him to deplane from the back of the plane (symbolically reserved for servants), the visiting head of that Foreign Power ignored Obama on his State visit to the USA and addressed the US Congress directly.

    Here’s a US Deep State guy explaining what China did to Obama:

  269. @antibeast

    Would you think the owners are giving up on China, in your perspective?
    All I have seen from the (((West))) is hot air and no actual poltical or military op being mounted.
    Can you define these owners (not identify them of course, that would be impossible for the resources of UNZ posters, lol) and tell us what you think they are planing?

    To me, China and Russia are far out of reach for these rich merchant fucks. Which is why we are seeing a consodilation with the conditions created long ago and officialited with this corona hoax, like so many hoaxes before. (((West))) “versus” Eurasia, with the (((West))) being more of the Dystopia than the East.

  270. @antibeast

    Thank you for the added info. The ending part of my second paragraph echoes your introductory point – that the ideas of the City (which I agree isn’t involved in the day-to-day) are announced by the middle (think-tanks) and executed (policies) by the lower (Deep State) levels. But at the same time, you view differs from mine in the sense that they are distinct groups (especially in light of China’s treatment of the “House Nigger”). To make matters more complicated, enters Trump whom you say is a paid puppet of a Foreign Power (I suppose Israel). In light of how much he did for Zionist state, it doesn’t surprise me to read this. Which begs the question: is Trump aligned with the City? After all, Israel is their creation. And if not, with who? There is also the fact that Israel (at least Netanyahu) threw Trump under the bus in being among the first to congratulate Biden. Was Trump betrayed or is he playing along with his charade of saving America? Equally perplexing is the fact that the US Deep State has unconditionally supported the Zionist state for decades to date. I only make sense of all this in speculating that the very upper echelon people have/are playing everyone below – their typical case of thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis.

    Neoliberal globalization did begin after the Cold War but the British ruling class’ neoliberal economic/financial policies have been in the works for centuries (as in imposed on other nations). The post Cold-War era mantra is just a version applied to the Western world with a plan to weaken/destroy it – while rising others (namely China, Asia). Looking at the decaying state of the Western world, I think its’ safe to deduce so. Modern neoliberalism in the West came with the destruction of its moral compass and the degeneracy of its society – accomplished with all sorts of untraditional ideas/beliefs/concepts. Something, I can say isn’t the case in non-Western countries – at least not yet.

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  271. @Hiram of Tyre

    No source? Now stfu and crawl back into your hole.

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  272. @Astuteobservor II

    I’ll crawl into a hole when you come out of yours “one of the most avid defenders of China”. The (Jewish) City of London has run the US via their Federal Reserve for well over a century. The same City of London is now the de-facto international Yuan dealer but somehow you desperately hope that China’s case is/will be different. As I said, thicker than pudding. And one last time, it’s sources in plural.

  273. @antibeast

    My own view is that Obama behaved like an Uncle Tom who was too overzealous trying to please his White Masters in the US Deep State. Obama wasn’t even “management” but acted like a “House Nigger” which was how the Chinese later treated him. So did the Foreign Power who put Trump into public office. While the Chinese snubbed Obama on his last State visit to China by forcing him to deplane from the back of the plane (symbolically reserved for servants), the visiting head of that Foreign Power ignored Obama on his State visit to the USA and addressed the US Congress directly.

    Good to see you using the term “House Nigger” too!!! ;-D, ;-D, ;-D

    Well, O’bananas was nothing but a black figurehead of a WHITE establishment (the “Deep State”?) unfortunately. I believe he received that kind of treatment because of his anti-China acts in the last couple of years in power– e.g. The so-called Asian pivot, the TPP, etc.

    By the way, how can I copy the link of the video?

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  274. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    But at the same time, you view differs from mine in the sense that they are distinct groups.

    Yes, I think of them as distinct groups with their own agency pursuing their own interests rather than as a monolithic group with a centralized leadership pulling all the strings. All the City does is to gather together public intellectuals in Think Tanks and have them come up with all kinds of ideologies which are then propagated to government officials and corporate executives who implement them as policies all over the world. It is not necessary for the City to get involved in the dirty work of politics because that’s what their politicians are paid to do.

    Which begs the question: is Trump aligned with the City?

    Indirectly. Trump’s Cabinet is full of Wall Street investment bankers. So that means he has the backing of the City.

    Was Trump betrayed or is he playing along with his charade of saving America?

    Trump increased the national debt to $27T by cutting taxes and deficit spending which benefitted Wall Street the most. So Trump served the City well by screwing Middle-Class America. Biden is more pliant than Trump and so they dumped Trump in favor of Biden. But they still want to control Trumpism and influence US politics as a hedge against Biden. If Biden refuses to heed their wishes, they’ll throw him under the bus by using China-gate against him.

    Neoliberal globalization did begin after the Cold War but the British ruling class’ neoliberal economic/financial policies have been in the works for centuries (as in imposed on other nations). The post Cold-War era mantra is just a version applied to the Western world with a plan to weaken/destroy it – while rising others (namely China, Asia).

    The British invented classical liberalism (Adam Smith, David Ricardo) which was resurrected as neoliberalism (Austrian, Chicago School) after the Fall of the Soviet Union discredited traditional Western left-wing socialism. The result was the Reagan/Thatcher “revolution” which decimated the traditional Left (social democrats/labor unions) of the Western World. With the Soviet Union gone, the USA became the only military superpower left to implement their plan — not to destroy the West as you allege — but to effect the Western Capitalist takeover of the entire non-Western World. That’s why the USA/NATO waged a succession of regime-change wars and color revolutions in the non-West: Gulf War, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc. With his “Pivot to East Asia”, Obama was planning to target China by moving US troops from the Middle East to the Philippines and Australia, using the Philippines to file a legal case against China in the SCS dispute and negotiating the TPP which would have excluded China from the trans-pacific trade pact. And since Obama had the backing of the US Deep State, this was a case of trying to “contain” not helping to “rise” China, contrary to your allegation. By the way, the US Deep State has always been hostile to China ever since Mao founded the PRC. But they had to deal with the geopolitics of the world — the Middle East consumes a lot of their time — which detracts them from confronting China until Obama came along.

    At the same time, Obama pandered to the Iranians by lifting sanctions against Iran and giving them back their USD assets sequestered in US banks. This Obama move favoring Iran was deemed hostile to a Foreign Power in the Middle East which reacted accordingly by helping Trump get “elected” as the President of the USA. What did Trump do once in power? He trashed Obama’s foreign policy all over the world, to the horror of the US Deep State. Just look at what he and his son-in-law are doing now during his last few weeks in office, still serving the geopolitical interests of that Foreign Power while bypassing the US Deep State.

    Looking at the decaying state of the Western world, I think its’ safe to deduce so. Modern neoliberalism in the West came with the destruction of its moral compass and the degeneracy of its society – accomplished with all sorts of untraditional ideas/beliefs/concepts. Something, I can say isn’t the case in non-Western countries – at least not yet.

    They want to turn Westerners into their post-modern serfs. White Labor has ceased to provide the cost/benefit ratio to the Western Capitalist Oligarchy who want to import non-Whites to become their black/brown servant class and replace/displace the White working class in the West. They are free to recruit from amongst the five billion black/brown people in the non-West, most of whom are willing to relocate to the West to become their servants. Having black/brown servants makes sense because they cost less, work harder and don’t complain as much as Whites. And they’re willing to fight and die for their Capitalist masters unlike White sepoys who scream and holler “hell no, we won’t go!”.

    What do Whites want? Whites want sex, drugs and rock’n’roll, just like ghetto blacks.

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  275. antibeast says:
    @Deep Thought

    By the way, how can I copy the link of the video?

    Click on the youtube icon and copy the link from the youtube website.

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  276. @antibeast

    “All the City does is to gather together public intellectuals in Think Tanks and have them come up with all kinds of ideologies which are then propagated to government officials and corporate executives who implement them as policies all over the world.”

    Unless I am missing something, that is essentially what I have been saying – that a group shapes/dictates the world. There may be sub distinct groups with respective goals but in the end, that group at the top (namely the neo-aristocratic families of/linked to the City) have never ceased to move closer to their one-world government objective. Think-tanks are indeed responsible for the ideologies but they always been formulated to serve that group’s end-goal. A recent article illustrates it:

    H.G. Wells’ Dystopic Vision Comes Alive With the Great Reset Agenda
    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/12/24/wells-dystopic-vision-comes-alive-with-great-reset-agenda/

    Masonic circles is another crucial modus. In his book (based on Masonic archives and the interview of high ranking Masons), Gioele Magaldi (an Italian progressive Mason) explains his discovery of Ur-Lodges – virtually all past/present known historical/political figures have belonged to at least one lodge. Through those circles, the City has stirred the world. Lenin was Ur-Lodge De Maistre. Obama is Ur-Lodge Maat. The infiltration of China and its officials (Deng, Xi for instance) are no exception – Deng was (aristocratic) Ur-Lodge Three Eyes, Xi is Ur-Lodge Tao (off-shot of Three Eyes). The summary also highlights points you brought up with further insight; I invite you to read it:

    Book’s overview:
    http://rm-london.co.uk/blog/free-masonry-shocking-book-italian-grand-master-gioele-magaldi-discovery-ur-lodges/

    English summary:
    https://www.lochmann-verlag.com/massoni_chapters_1_to_9.pdf

    To clarify, when I wrote “The post Cold-War era mantra is just a version applied to the Western world with a plan to weaken/destroy it “, I meant to say that globalized neoliberal economic policies ended up hurting the West. It was by design to get rid of protectionism. We can disagree but let’s look at where the West stands today. Coincidentally, one of their think-tanker, H.G. Wells (since I brought up him and since his likes do come up with the ideologies) did write in 1928 (“Open Conspiracy”):

    “American industries no longer have any practical justification for protection. American finance would be happier without it; but without the success of the Open Conspirator, this protectionism would simply go on and on”.

    The (Hamiltonian) American system of economics having always been Britain’s neoliberal nemesis.

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  277. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    I meant to say that globalized neoliberal economic policies ended up hurting the West. It was by design to get rid of protectionism. We can disagree but let’s look at where the West stands today.

    Western countries such as Germany has done well; so did other Northern European countries such as the Netherlands, Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, Norway, etc. as well as Japan and other East Asian countries such as South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, etc. So it’s simply incorrect to claim that neoliberal globalization ended up hurting the West.

    American industries no longer have any practical justification for protection. American finance would be happier without it; but without the success of the Open Conspirator, this protectionism would simply go on and on.

    The City and its branch in Wall Street have always preferred “free markets” rather than protected industries. This Classical Liberal “free market” ideology originated in England during the 18th century which was reincarnated as neoliberal globalization during the Reagan/Thatcher “revolution” in the 1980s.

    But the Cold War — not Wall Street — was the impetus behind the opening of US markets to foreign competition. The US Deep State was instrumental in architecting this strategy of containing Soviet Communism by allowing US “allies” such as Germany and Japan free access to the US market. Other “allied” countries in Western Europe and East Asia followed suit by taking advantage of the US market. The Cold War mantra then was to defeat Soviet Communism by opening US markets to US “allies” which ultimately led to the decline of US manufacturing industries. To compete against Germany, Japan and other “allied” countries, US manufacturers resorted to “outsourcing” their factories to lower-cost countries such as Mexico, Taiwan and Southeast Asia.

    In other words, US manufacturing industries were being decimated by foreign imports from “allied” countries such as Germany, Japan, Mexico, South Korea, etc. long before “Communist China” signed up to be a cog of the global economy. The USA won the Cold War by losing its shirt to US “allies”!!!

    By the way, methinks you’re too much into alt-right conspiracy theories while I tend to rely on economic history which is easily verifiable. My point is that there is hardly any globalist conspiracy to hollow out US manufacturing industries. That unintended consequence is the byproduct of the US Deep State’s Cold War bargain offered to US “allies” allowing them free access to the US market which drive out US factories unable to compete against foreign imports.

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  278. @antibeast

    By the way, methinks you’re too much into alt-right conspiracy theories while I tend to rely on economic history which is easily verifiable.

    Yes, you said it twice already. To which I replied that your view is perplexing considering your knowledge of some of those theories (the City, the Fed, their role in Russia, China, etc). Either way, my point is not to depict history through the prism of those theories alone but to complement (often in challenging) the mainstream/imposed narrative.

    The economic history you write about is without a doubt easily verifiable but it also does not whisper a word on its true origins and motives. In that sense, Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” should more specifically be called “Theft of Nations”. The post-1971 version of that system (neo-Keynesian in outlook/practice and with a heft of Austrian School) is its continuation – a monetarist model (hegemonic in the US and the rest of the world) that had served and benefited the imperial interests of the City and its Wall Street. That system not only destroyed the US’ industries but also its infrastructure and science. The poorer/poorest nations were plunged into deeper abysses.

    The “containment” of Soviet Communism was as bogus as the Cold-“War” itself. The less easily verifiable side of history by the likes of Anthony Sutton shows that the US was instrumental in the development of the Soviet Union between 1917 and 1930. Brzezinski, in his book “Between Two Ages”, had written:

    “For impressive evidence of Western participation in the early phase of Soviet economic growth, see Antony C. Sutton’s Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917–1930, which argues that ‘Soviet economic development for 1917–1930 was essentially dependent on Western technological aid’ (p.283), and that ‘at least 95 per cent of the industrial structure received this assistance.’ (p. 348).

    The post-1930 era until the 1980s was not any different. Fighting Communism was for the population and the media while the US actively supported Communism, the Soviet Union and transferred an immense amount of technology to it (a big chunk military, ballistic).

    His conclusion from his research on the issue was that the conflicts of the Cold War were “not fought to restrain communism”, since the United States, through financing the Soviet Union “directly or indirectly armed both sides in at least Korea and Vietnam”; rather, these wars were organised in order “to generate multibillion-dollar armaments contracts”. The update to this text, The Best Enemy Money Can Buy, looked at the role of technology transfers up to the 1980s. Appendix B of that text contained the text of his 1972 testimony before Subcommittee VII of the Platform Committee of the Republican Party where he summarized the essential aspects of his overall research:

    “ In a few words: there is no such thing as Soviet technology. Almost all — perhaps 90-95 percent — came directly or indirectly from the United States and its allies. In effect the United States and the NATO countries have built the Soviet Union. Its industrial and its military capabilities. This massive construction job has taken 50 years. Since the Revolution in 1917. It has been carried out through trade and the sale of plants, equipment and technical assistance.”

    Thus yes, the Cold-War was definitely the “impetus” but to achieve what true objective(s)?

    __________

    https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Antony_C._Sutton

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  279. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    The economic history you write about is without a doubt easily verifiable but it also does not whisper a word on its true origins and motives. In that sense, Adam Smith’s “Wealth of Nations” should more specifically be called “Theft of Nations”. The post-1971 version of that system (neo-Keynesian in outlook/practice and with a heft of Austrian School) is its continuation – a monetarist model (hegemonic in the US and the rest of the world) that had served and benefited the imperial interests of the City and its Wall Street. That system not only destroyed the US’ industries but also its infrastructure and science. The poorer/poorest nations were plunged into deeper abysses.

    That the City and its branch in Wall Street came up with neoliberal globalization as their post-Cold War ideology after the Fall of the Soviet Union is something we agree on. What we don’t agree on is the causal relationship between neoliberal globalization as post-Cold War ideology vs the demise of US manufacturing industries.

    The financial capitalists in the City/Wall Street don’t care who makes what — whether Germans or Japanese makes the cars or whether Taiwanese makes the PCs — because they make their money investing capital all over the world. If US automakers lose to German or Japanese automakers, then they’ll invest their capital in German or Japanese automakers. If US PC makers lose to Taiwanese PC makers, then they’ll invest their capital in Taiwanese PC makers. If US semiconductor makers lose to Taiwanese or South Korean semiconductor makers (as is happening now), then they’ll invest their capital in Taiwanese or South Korean semiconductor makers. The City/Wall Street financial capitalists don’t get to decide who wins but they get to invest in who wins in the global economy. If China can come up with world-class technology industries like Japan or South Korea, then they will invest their capital in China. If India can come up with world-class software industries like Silicon Valley, then they will invest their capital in India.

    Your mistake is to implicate neoliberal ideology as the cause of the negative outcomes for US manufacturing industries in the globalized economy. The only thing that neoliberal ideology does is to enable the globalized economy to function without political barriers to “free trade” in capital/technology/goods/services/people. Germany and Japan have done well as industrial powerhouses exporting manufactured goods all over the world but the USA has not. That’s not the fault of the financial capitalists in the City/Wall Street but the inability of US manufacturing industries to compete in the globalized economy. In fact, US automakers themselves lobbied for NAFTA in order to allow them to relocate their factories to Mexico so they could compete against German and Japanese auto imports. Wall Street sharks later took advantage of NAFTA by launching a wave of LBOs taking over US manufacturers and relocating their factories to Mexico.

    If you believe Sutton’s own words below as anything but hyperbole, then I have a bridge to sell you in Moscow:

    In a few words: there is no such thing as Soviet technology. Almost all — perhaps 90-95 percent — came directly or indirectly from the United States and its allies. In effect the United States and the NATO countries have built the Soviet Union. Its industrial and its military capabilities. This massive construction job has taken 50 years. Since the Revolution in 1917. It has been carried out through trade and the sale of plants, equipment and technical assistance.

    While I agree that the USA did provide foreign aid and technology transfers to the Soviet Union from 1917 to 1930 as well as supply the war effort during WWII, those economic assistance took place before the Cold War which started with the Berlin Wall. There is also one glaring mistake in the above statement because most Soviet missile, rocket, jet engine and aerospace technologies came from Nazi Germany just like in the USA. The space race that followed was orthogonal to both the Soviet Union and the USA with their Sputnik and Apollo programs, respectively. Same with the nuclear arms race. The Cold War was real because the US Deep State viewed the Soviet Union as posing a clear and present danger to the USA and the rest of the “free world”. Everything else that followed supported the Cold War against the Soviet Union via US defense spending for US military bases all over the world, free trade with US allies, etc. To believe otherwise is just silly nonsense.

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  280. @antibeast

    Your deception of the City and Wall Street are mere bystanders who take advantage of a (supposedly) naturally developing economic world – when the two were the cause for the destruction of Russia (and later China), the creation/spread of Communism, the Fed, etc – is odd to say the least but anyway. Not saying they don’t take advantage but their role in fomenting scenarios/environments to profit from it isn’t a secret either.

    The technology was indeed German and not American in origin but it was the US who transferred it to the Soviet Union throughout the 1980s – and not just before the Cold War.

    Anway, I thank you for your time and comments. It’s always good to disagree to further knowledge. Wishing you a Happy upcoming New Year.

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  281. antibeast says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Wishing you a Happy upcoming New Year.

    Same to you.

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