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The 12th “Middle East Conference” at the Valdai Club in Moscow offered a more than welcome cornucopia of views on interconnected troubles and tribulations affecting the region.
But first, an important word on terminology – as only one of Valdai’s guests took the trouble to stress. This is not the “Middle East” – a reductionist, Orientalist notion devised by old colonials: at The Cradle we emphasize the region must be correctly described as West Asia.
Some of the region’s trials and tribulations have been mapped by the official Valdai report, The Middle East and The Future of Polycentric World. But the intellectual and political clout of those in attendance can provide valuable anecdotal insights too. Here are a few of the major strands participants highlighted on regional developments, current and future:
Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov set the stage by stressing that Kremlin policy encourages the formation of an “inclusive regional security system.” That’s exactly what the Americans refused to discuss with the Russians in December 2021, then applied to Europe and the post-Soviet space. The result was a proxy war.
Kayhan Barzegar of Islamic Azad University in Iran qualified the two major strategic developments affecting West Asia: a possible US retreat and a message to regional allies: “You cannot count on our security guarantees.”
Every vector – from rivalry in the South Caucasus to the Israeli normalization with the Persian Gulf – is subordinated to this logic, notes Barzegar, with quite a few Arab actors finally understanding that there now exists a margin of maneuver to choose between the western or the non-western bloc.
Barzegar does not identify Iran-Russia ties as a strategic alliance, but rather a geopolitical, economic bloc based on technology and regional supply chains – a “new algorithm in politics” – ranging from weapons deals to nuclear and energy cooperation, driven by Moscow’s revived southern and eastward orientations. And as far as Iran-western relations go, Barzegar still believes the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), or Iran nuclear deal, is not dead. A least not yet.
‘Nobody knows what these rules are’
Egyptian Ramzy Ramzy, until 2019 the UN Deputy Special Envoy for Syria, considers the reactivation of relations between Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE with Syria as the most important realignment underway in the region. Not to mention prospects for a Damascus-Ankara reconciliation. “Why is this happening? Because of the regional security system’s dissatisfaction with the present,” Ramzy explains.
Yet even if the US may be drifting away, “neither Russia nor China are willing to take up a leadership role,” he says. At the same time, Syria “cannot be allowed to fall prey to outside interventions. The earthquake at least accelerated these rapprochements.”
Bouthaina Shaaban, a special advisor to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, is a remarkable woman, fiery and candid. Her presence at Valdai was nothing short of electric. She stressed how “since the US war in Vietnam, we lost what we witnessed as free media. The free press has died.” At the same time “the colonial west changed its methods,” subcontracting wars and relying on local fifth columnists.
Shaaban volunteered the best short definition anywhere of the “rules-based international order”: “Nobody knows what these rules are, and what this order is.”
She re-emphasized that in this post-globalization period that is ushering in regional blocs, the usual western meddlers prefer to use non-state actors – as in Syria and Iran – “mandating locals to do what the US would like to do.”
A crucial example is the US al-Tanf military base that occupies sovereign Syrian territory on two critical borders. Shaaban calls the establishment of this base as “strategic, for the US to prevent regional cooperation, at the Iraq, Jordan, and Syria crossroads.” Washington knows full well what it is doing: unhampered trade and transportation at the Syria-Iraq border is a major lifeline for the Syrian economy.
Reminding everyone once again that “all political issues are connected to Palestine,” Shaaban also offered a healthy dose of gloomy realism: “The eastern bloc has not been able to match the western narrative.”
A ‘double-layered proxy war’
Cagri Erhan, rector of Altinbas University in Turkey, offered a quite handy definition of a Hegemon: the one who controls the lingua franca, the currency, the legal setting, and the trade routes.
Erhan qualifies the current western hegemonic state of play as “double-layered proxy war” against, of course, Russia and China. The Russians have been defined by the US as an “open enemy” – a major threat. And when it comes to West Asia, proxy war still rules: “So the US is not retreating,” says Erhan. Washington will always consider using the area “strategically against emerging powers.”
Then what about the foreign policy priorities of key West Asian and North African actors?
Algerian political journalist Akram Kharief, editor of the online MenaDefense, insists Russia should get closer to Algeria, “which is still in the French sphere of influence,” and be wary of how the Americans are trying to portray Moscow as “a new imperial threat to Africa.”
Professor Hasan Unal of Maltepe University in Turkiye made it quite clear how Ankara finally “got rid of its Middle East [West Asian] entanglements,” when it was previously “turning against everybody.”
Mid-sized powers such as Turkiye, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are now stepping to the forefront of the region’s political stage. Unal notes how “Turkiye and the US don’t see eye to eye on any issue important to Ankara.” Which certainly explains the strengthening of Turkish-Russian ties – and their mutual interest in introducing “multi-faceted solutions” to the region’s problems.
For one, Russia is actively mediating Turkiye-Syria rapprochement. Unal confirmed that the Syrian and Turkish foreign ministers will soon meet in person – in Moscow – which will represent the highest-ranking direct engagement between the two nations since the onset of the Syrian war. And that will pave the way for a tripartite summit between Assad, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
Note that the big regional reconciliations are being held – once again – either in, or with the participation of Moscow, which can rightfully be described as the capital of the 21st century multipolar world.
When it comes to Cyprus, Unal notes how “Russia would not be interested in a unified state that would be EU and NATO territory.” So it’s time for “creative ideas: as Turkey is changing its Syria policy, Russia should change its Cyprus policy.”
Dr. Gong Jiong, from the Israeli campus of China’s University of International Business and Economics, came up with a catchy neologism: the “coalition of the unwilling” – describing how “almost the whole Global South is not supporting sanctions on Russia,” and certainly none of the players in West Asia.
Gong noted that as much as China-Russia trade is rising fast – partly as a direct consequence of western sanctions – the Americans would have to think twice about China-hit sanctions. Russia-China trade stands at $200 billion a year, after all, while US-China trade is a whopping $700 billion per annum.
The pressure on the “neutrality camp” won’t relent anyway. What is needed by the world’s “silent majority,” as Gong defines it, is “an alliance.” He describes the 12-point Chinese peace plan for Ukraine as “a set of principles” – Beijing’s base for serious negotiations: “This is the first step.”
There will be no new Yalta
What the Valdai debates made crystal clear, once again, is how Russia is the only actor capable of approaching every player across West Asia, and be listened to carefully and respectfully.
It was left to Anwar Abdul-Hadi, director of the political department of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) and the latter’s official envoy to Damascus, to arguably sum up what led to the current global geopolitical predicament: “A new Yalta or a new world war? They [the west] chose war.”
And still, as new geopolitical and geoeconomic fault lines keep emerging, it is as though West Asia is anticipating something “big” coming ahead. That feeling was palpable in the air at Valdai.
To paraphrase Yeats, and updating him to the young, turbulent 21st century, “what rough beast, its hour come out at last, slouches towards the cradle [of civilization] to be born?
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if the panarab relationship can be repaired and middle eastern cooperation and coordination returned to their diplomatic efforts, this will be a major achievement of putin’s foreign policy agenda. one of the major strategies of the zioneocons was to break up the middle east onto waring states, while stealing their oil and insuring israel’s hegemony over the region. this would be a major monkey wrench in the zionato dreams of the jared administration and puts huge pressure on the israelis. israel seems hell-bent on starting ww3, attacking syria and lebanon, as well as iranian assets, while murdering and dispossessing palestians of their homes and lands in flagrant acts of genocide.
if putin can bring erdogan and assad together and return normal relations between their countries, he deserves the nobel peace prize, no wait, they only give that to genocidal sociopaths like obama and kissinger.
Well we can be assured the west would never allow him to get a peace prize – lol. But all across the Global South – countries are tired of NATO. They want multipolarity.
I suspect the same could be said for increasing numbers of the citizens of NATO nations.
How many Germans like living under a military alliance that bombs their national energy infrastructure, causes massive damage to their economy, and demands they put Germany on a war footing with Russia?
How many Americans like seeing our government co-opted by ZOG to fight endless wars for Zion?
Only the stupidest of the stupid, or enemies of America, support the post-9/11 wars for Israel, and that obviously includes the Jewish-controlled Ukraine.
I can’t find any recent polls on American’s support for NATO, but this is pretty much the same thing.
https://mronline.org/2023/02/16/with-a-12-decrease-less-americans-support-aid-for-ukraine-poll/
As the Ukrainian war with Russia, is obviously a ((NATO)) war with Russia.
Trump just said he’d end the war immediately should he get elected. I wonder if he made it a campaign promise to end NATO, (even tho his promises mean nothing), still I wonder if that wouldn’t be a strong campaign strategy. Since only MIC scumbags or Zionists still support all these wars, at least it would be something for the sane Americans to rally around.
No sane Americans want Poland to drag them into another World War, or the cross-dressing, prancing little ((zio-fag Zelinsky)).
America First was a winning strategy, and if he strengthened it with calls to quit NATO, I wonder if it would resonate. I suspect so. Not with Democrats, who now love war. But with Trump’s base, who have always been America first. And perhaps there are a lot of Independents, that by now also see the idiocy and madness of NATO’s war mongering and destruction of nations like Libya and now Ukraine.
If you were to poll all the citizens of NATO nations, and asked them,
‘Do you support an all-out war with Russia, (and possibly China and others..), in order to force Putin’s Russia to have transgender kindergartners, and homo-‘marriages’, and ‘gay pride parades’ in Moscow?
How many of them would say ‘yes’ ?
Vs. how many of them would say ‘it’s time to quit ((NATO)) ?
[And perhaps there are a lot of Independents, that by now also see the idiocy and madness of NATO’s war mongering and destruction of nations like Libya and now Ukraine.]
Never forget that Putin of Russia and CHINA were part of destruction of nations like Libya, by abstained vote to let Qaddafi to be murdered and Libya bombed by US/Nato the army of the Jewish mafia. Putin, must stop supporting the apartheid entity otherwise NO one trust Putin or Russia.
It definitely not easy and rather shameful for me to acknowledge, but who in right mind can consider Russia as potentially one of the world poles? To have this distinction state must have certain economic weight, authority , influence and a bunch of followers / satellites. There used to be one illusion regarding military capabilities, but safe for nuclear part of it, Russian conventional military forces appeared to be weak and rather small, unbecoming of great power. More than one year of what is going in Ukraine is proof enough. Few were talking about Russia capabilities in Eastern Europe to conflict escalation but it all appeared to be hot air. By last summer it became obvious that combat ready Russia military is around 200 000 at most with the rest just being Potemkin village there for parades, otherwise it would not have been necessary to announce partial mobilization with 1+ million army of which only small part appeared to be capable to conduct military operation. With military part out of the window, Russia being deeply deindustrialized and dependant upon the West and now the east in lots of spheres one has to wonder what are they smoking in Kremlin. The whole multi polar thing is about USA and China. And while China is industrial juggernaut, it has no allies, its military capabilities and military ability to achieve goals if things come to blows is under big question. Still, economic part is there. I was born in the Soviet Union in 60’s and I do remember when Soviet Russia indeed was major pole but we had all part s required to be that pole. Economic, ideological, allies, military capabilities. Russia is not even registering next to Soviet Union. Hence I was amused by Rogers opinion before Ukraine war started that modern Russia is stronger than USSR. With all this “experts” and “analysts” probably form the word “anal” it would be very good to keep records of what they say or predict over the years to really show their intellectual nothingness and inability to have objective opinions, not influenced by their personal preferences.
Would suck if the EU banned remittances to all global south countries not sanctioning Russia. It’s hilarious how many of them have sham economies totally fueled by their diaspora sending the welfare checks they cash in abroad back home.
The opinion of the global south matters as much as the opinion of people on welfare that can’t even vote.
AArgh, Yeats mis-quoted. C’mon Pepe.
“slouches towards the cradle [of civilization] to be born?” – slouches towards *Bethlehem* to be born.
JFYI
Interesting development KSA and Iran.
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2023/03/10/699626/Iran-Saudi-Arabia-China-Beijing-ties-SNSN-Shamkhani-
[If you were to poll all the citizens of NATO nations, ]
The best start is to poll the long suffering Germans who, since Bismarck concluded his wars for Germany unity, chose a path of peace as a way to boost the German economy through trade and industry, were forced nonetheless by the Zio-Anglo elites of Perfidious Albion to engage in two world wars which took an extreme toll on Germans in blood, sweat and tears.
If the jaded and cowed Germans were to vote overwhelmingly on German neutrality, both ZOG and NATO will start disintegrating, for a war neutered Germany means growing commercial exchanges with her most reliable trading partner Russia as well as the rising Asian giant. That will leave the belligerent Poles to ponder whether to follow the Ukrainian path into utter destruction or to tow the line of Russian-German cooperation. If the Poles follow a rational path away from dreams of glory that got them to act as the trigger for WWII, then Uncle Sam will have to fold and leave Europe and retire into rebuilding a decaying USA. That is why the MIC and all the other war profiteers in America will risk life and limb to rule out any German-Russian rapprochement.
But with the traitorous German Greens in charge of German foreign policy, the rosy scenario of German and European peace is nothing more than a mirage.
The first thing Trump will do when he gets into power is launch a hot war with China. He is a huge fat evil fascist motherfucker who must be stopped. Nothing he says should be trusted….he is pure evil.
Biden is also pure evil and certainly not less so. This horrible situation where the only 2 USA political parties are extreme right ring warmongering fascists is dragging this planet into a serious WW3 nightmare. Thank God 25 million Russian soldiers and 100 million Chinese soldiers will tear the USA apart once and for ever backed by benevolent aliens/ETs who will stop all nukes……the only hope for the West is a spiritual socialist communist revolution and the end of the Illuminati
Yes, and more importantly for the region, if the Russians and Chinese bring together the KSA and Iran …
Everyone is waiting for the winner to emerge.
I sort of predicted this in December:
https://www.unz.com/article/how-long-can-the-ukraine-war-last/?showcomments#comment-5712120
It’s important but it’s only the first step. The real breakthrough will be the end of the war in Yemen.
“Multipolarity”: The Chinese/Russian regime doing business with their terrorist USEUNATO conglomerate peers thru alternative channels and at inflated prices for most of the world. Bread and circus is mostly only circues these days, since baking bread’s more expensive than baking a Jew in an Auschwitz oven ’cause the Turks need their cut for gas transit.
Never forget that Putin of Russia and CHINA were part of destruction of nations like Libya, by abstained vote to let Qaddafi to be murdered and Libya bombed by US/Nato the army of the Jewish mafia
Yeah right, says U$/NATO: “Russia and China made me do it!”
The real breakthrough will be the end of the war in Yemen.
I must say that I hope that posit is true.
As Pepe wrote, it’s a paraphrase (the quotation marks shouldn’t be there, though, I think). Pepe surely knows Yeats by heart. He read James Joyce’s Ulysses and probably much of his other works when he was very young and even wrote a booklength essay about it. Alas, I think it was never published, but I’m sure that a fan’s revolt and outcry should finally revert that unfortunate situation. Please read the following interview he gave in 1983 (in Portuguese, sorry) and be amazed:
http://blogdoantonicodaigreja.blogspot.com/2011/01/carlos-roque-entrevista-pepe-escobar.html
What does your name translate to in Latin, “Sergei Gonorhea:?
I have a difficult time , putting myself in the shoes of the Russian leadership when thinking, figuring out and understanding the Russian way of dealing with people from the west like Obama, Trump, Biden, Pompeo, Blinkin , Sullivan, Nuland and others. They { the Russians } have such a strange patience, they use several simplified definitions to convey their messages time and time again. Putin, Medvedev, Peskov, Maria Zakharova, and many television show hosts , continue to convey the same facts, same common sense, same history month after month which seems to fall on deaf ears. This confuses me because I was born and raised in the US and where I grew up – was a cut and dried situation most of the time.
Being a kid that grew up in the 50s and 60s – I would never let some punk like Obama- Biden, Pompeo , Blinken and the rest of them have a meeting with me – { a proud Russian leader } and allow them to crank out their bull shit for more than once. After that it would be – get your ass back on the plane and send back your Boss or the guy that really makes the calls – like I do.
Now , it takes me a long time time to reach way down and grasp the Russian way of doing things compared to my simpler surface way of dealing with things , but I hope the Russians learn how to deal with these Punks in the EU and US – for the sake of all of us.
Sorry Sergei, you’re not going to get any honest responses from the army of 3rd worldists on this site. The author of this article has been proclaiming Russian and Chinese victory for the past year while covering up the incompetence of the Russian leadership. Everybody here has forgotten the promises that Russia would encircle Ukraine’s forces in the east, that China would step in and ally with Russia while completing the new silk road of peace and harmony against the wicked “Anglo-Zionists” (need to throw the zionist in there or else the right wing leadership won’t read communist tripe!) and that General Winter will deal the crushing blow to Ukraine. None of this has happened, and the only successful fighters Russia has are private soldiers who operate outside of the incompetent chain of command. Russia’s performance has been pathetic, and it only secures the position of the monsters running the West.
What’s this about Erdogan and Orban turning on Putin?
Right.
I’m hoping Russia and or China will have a quiet word with KSA re Yemen.
That conflict has already lasted too long.
The one I’m watching is Iraq.
That people really needs deliverance from satan.
Not to mention massive repayment for gross war crimes, theft etc.
Nor is Iraq alone in this.
The Jewish mafia members like Mark Dubowitz, from the terrorist FDD, are very angry to see Iran and Saudi Arabia agreed to renew ties with each other.
The Mafia members’ balls have been chopped off, therefore, it is burning very badly and they don’t know what else they can do to topple the Iranian government. They have failed. They have done every criminal act but Iran is stronger than ever and they are the one who should leave the region and go to where they came from.
Putin must change the course and stop supporting the criminal apartheid entity, otherwise, will not be trusted. The terrorist Jewish mafia member, Mark Dubowitz, has viewed this development as a LOST for US, in fact is a lost for Israel where he is embarrassed to say. I bet you the US is pleased.
Now, we want to know what is going to happen to FAKE “Abraham Accords” that Trump, Putin and Russia were in support of. Probably is going into TRASH CAN along with those who were in support of it, including illiterate Jewish mafia member, Trump. Hamas releases statement saying they welcome the renewed ties between Iran and Saudi.This is probs most dangerous aspect of deal for Israel.
[Mark Dubowitz
@mdubowitz
My take: Renewed Iran-Saudi ties as a result of Chinese mediation is a lose, lose, lose for American interests. It demonstrates that the Saudis don’t trust Washington to have their back, that Iran sees an opportunity to peal away American allies to end its international]
The terrorist Jewish Mafia members are shocked.
Gaddafi himself referred to the intervention as a “colonial crusade … capable of unleashing a full-scale war”,[266] a sentiment that was echoed by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin: “[UNSC Resolution 1973] is defective and flawed…It allows everything. It resembles medieval calls for crusades.”[267] President Hu Jintao of the People’s Republic of China said, “Dialogue and other peaceful means are the ultimate solutions to problems,” and added, “If military action brings disaster to civilians and causes a humanitarian crisis, then it runs counter to the purpose of the UN resolution.”[268]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
and it wasn’t Putin who abstained, it was Medvedev
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/03/libya-russia-ukraine-putin/626571/
And then when Putin was back in power, and ZOG was preparing to do to Syria, what it had done to Libya, Putin said ‘enough!’
And told ZOG to fuck off, he wasn’t going to allow them to destroy Syria.
Putin is the only adult voice in the West. The only statesman and voice of sanity and probity.
And that’s why the whole non-Western world is refusing ZOG’s demands to sanction and condemn Putin, because they all know and all see that it’s ZOG, (Zionist occupied governments of the West), who’re the murderous menace on the planet today.
ZOG is like a rabid dog, frothing and attacking anyone in sight, who doesn’t bow down to the Empire of Lies, and transgender seven year olds, and Negro and ‘refugee’ worship, and attacks on traditional marriage and traditional culture.
The rest of the world agree with Putin, that these are not values they want promoted in their nations and societies. They don’t want to be gay, or have gayness forced upon their children.
Now it’s up to Ukraine, to decide if it too, wants to be gay, like the EU, and Hollywood, or does it want to support traditional culture, without being replaced with ‘refugee’s and unlimited throngs of millions upon millions of immigrants.
Watch, once the war is over, and the Ukraine is a land-locked rump state, as the immigrants flood in, and gayness and homo-‘marriage’ and trans-kindergartners and Negro-worship and speech codes and celebration of mixed marriages and every commercial on their televisions and billboards and every where they look, features either gay couples or mixed couples or both, with the Ukrainian men and culture and Ukrainian heritage mocked in the most brutal and cruel ways imaginable.
Like the stupid Brits and Frogs and Yanks, fighting the wrong side in WWII, only to find that when they “won”, their nations would be transformed into multicultural sewage holes.
Breath deep, Ukro, of what you’re fighting for.
Precisely! Thank you. The other gentleman doth protest too much.*
Furthermore, besides the fact that Escobar did indeed write that he was paraphrasing and updating, I doubt whether anyone needs reminding of Yeats’s almost too familiar original. “The Second Coming” has had the misfortune to be subjected to portentous use by every self-anointed intellectual since Joan Didion wrote Slouching towards Bethlehem more than fifty years ago. It’s a relief to see that Escobar here exhibits a far lighter touch than the majority of his Yeats-quoting predecessors.
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*PARAPHRASE ALERT!
“And that will pave the way for a tripartite summit between Assad, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan.”
Erdogan may not be in a position of power for much longer. For his last election promise he vowed to fight corruption within Turkish industries (like the building industry), and to see to proper quality standards being kept, like solid earthquake-proof housing. The recent quake disaster proved that his promise wasn’t kept, and not for the first time. Erdogan was held accountable for the high number of casualties and is now very unpopular. Who is likely to be his successor and what attitude towards the US, NATO, Europe and the upcoming powers will this person have?
Perhaps redundant?
but let’s hope so!
the best of all potential outcomes. A bulwark against the drooling menace terrorizing the planet.
fist off Russia, tear down those God damn monuments to the hated Soviet regime that continues to profane the soil of Poland and other states. Then, once those provocative abominations are a distant and foul memory, rapprochement can proceed with Poland and others..
(I guess you can tell I’m disgusted by Russia’s stupid and obnoxious recalcitrance over those – rightly and justifiably- hated monuments. And in particular, because they are – I’m convinced- the main obstacle to peace).
Once they’re gone, then I do believe that Russia and Eastern Europe can begin a new era of reconciliation and mutual prosperity and relations, without the need for the homo/diversity-promoting ((Western nations)) of ZOG.
I fear that might be wishful thinking Joe. Once ZOG is repudiated in the east, it will turn its sights upon domestic concerns, but not to rebuild anything, but rather to wage a more direct war upon the “domestic terrorists” (white people who don’t want to be gay).
I recently watched, (here on TUR), a video of Merrik Garland’s sending 20 or so armed FBI SWAT-type armed goons to a family home where some Catholic guy had peacefully protested at an abortion clinic. It was quite the enlightening video. These Jewish supremacists hate, hate HATE, white people with traditional values. Especially the ones who have lots of white babies – (Nazis, as far as Jewish supremacists like Garland are concerned).
yep
for now..
It was just announced that China brokered a deal with Saudi Arabia and Iran to restore diplomatic relations. Iraq and Oman also were a part of it. Basically seems Saudi Arabia doesn’t want to be dragged into war with Iran because of the US and Israel. I think we can also assume that the Petro dollar is not going to stand much longer and the Saudis know the US will try regime change
Iraq just announced they will begin conducting trade in yuan. It’s a test run before they start doing it with oil too. The chess pieces are moving.
It seems CNN has reported that Russian forces captured US weapons donated to Ukraine. Evidently ones that ukie Generals and apparatchiks hadn’t sold on the dark Web, including Javelin ATMs and Stinger type MANPADS.
Gave them to Iran. Reverse engineer, copy, improve, produce etc.
Perhaps US taxpayers might fund the clearance of Palestine ?
Maybe not all that far in the future … hmm …
More good news:
Could we see the end of the war in Yemen soon?
Great reminder of the events surrounding Libya, although not without some propaganda reinforcement. Lets look at just the first 2 paragraphs of The Atlantic article:
The bold italic is the “propaganda”. Russians are on a SMO not invasion. Ukraine is certainly NOT a democracy next door….far from it…and Putin’s leadership over Russia is secure with an 80% approval rating.
Again, bold italic is the propaganda. Putin shows no sense of vulnerability. In every speech/interview he makes, he is adroit and full of confidence. Putin is head and shoulders above the senile Biden or any other incompetent Western leader. Lastly, Gaddafi being labeled an “eccentric dictator” discounts his achievements in Libya and Northern Africa. Some examples. One of the highest standards of living in Africa. Education and medical treatments free for citizens. $50,000 USD for newlyweds to buy first home (he supported family). In Libya, having a home was a a “human right”. Petrol for citizens was 14 cents per litre. Libya had ZERO foreign debt and country had 150 Billion in reserves (all stolen by West after invasion). The Great Man-Made River project (GMR). This brought fresh water to regions across the country from aquifers below the Sahara Desert.
Western mainstream articles, more or less, tell “one truth” while continuing to push the “propaganda” narrative. In the end, the novice reader is left in the same place or worse. Perfect example of “one step forward but several steps back”.
I imagine the Colour Revolution handbook is being hastily grabbed from the Georgia desk in Langley…
Good news indeed. Thank you for bringing it to everyone’s attention.
I now await the issuance of a joint communiqué from Washington and Tel Aviv denouncing the restoration of diplomatic relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia as a virulently anti-Semitic act, with China also getting called out for anti-Semitism for brokering the deal.
Mark Dubowitz, a terrorist from FDD, who tried everything to drag US into a war against Iran, his behind is on FIRE now. He writes:
“Renewed Iran-Saudi ties as a result of Chinese mediation is a lose, lose, lose for American interests. It demonstrates that the Saudis don’t trust Washington to have their back, that Iran sees an opportunity to peel away American allies to end its international isolation, and it establishes China as the majordomo of Middle Eastern power politics.”
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/03/10/saudi-arabia-iran-agree-to-reestablish-diplomatic-ties/
The terrorist Dubowitz is so ANGRY that says:
“The Biden administration’s policy in the Middle East has been led by its attempts to reenter the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran and pausing the Trump administration’s “maximum pressure” sanctions policies. In 2021, the State Department removed the terrorist organization designation from the Iran-backed Houthi rebels in Yemen and pressured Riyadh to end the war in Yemen.”
The Jewish mafia member, Dubowitz, is trying so hard to use Biden to honor the butcher’s demans, so MBS normalizes relation with Israel OPENLY. Dubowitz and Israel think MBS is a good milking COW for the tribe. So Dubowitz is asking Biden to honor MBS’s demands in order to normalize relations with Israel. These are the demands:
{{Hours before announcing its agreement with Iran, Saudi Arabia revealed its terms for normalization with Israel. The proposal asks for security guarantees from the United States, assistance in developing a civilian nuclear program, and fewer restrictions on U.S. arms sales.With its offer to the United States, Riyadh appears to be leaving the door open for a stronger U.S.-Saudi relationship but is making clear by pursuing a hedge with China that they will not be waiting around.}}
Nicholas Kristof is warning Biden NOT to do so:
{{Saudi Arabia’s MBS reportedly wants a civilian nuclear program and security guarantees from the US in exchange for establishing ties with Israel. I hope Biden resists. MBS can’t be trusted with a nuclear program and hasn’t earned security guarantees.}}
Mark Dubowitz, a Jewish mafia member and a fifth columnist pro Israel is pushing for a nuclear program for MBS, but has used the Iran nuclear program to mobilize the world against Iran. This criminal must be arrested and tried as a TRAITOR. Is Biden going to protect American’s interest by destroying the mafia?
Aaron Miller on this development which tells you that the evil empire is FALLING:
It would be good if the hegemon could say what is actually going on. Everything is deteriorating so quickly on the inside. Something strange has been foreseen by our ruling elite and has caused it to lose its sanity.
Today, the seventeenth largest bank in the great USA has collapsed. Our wise and coherent President has proposed a budget that would spend $5T annually, of which $2T is borrowed. These are the signs of severe distress. All the spending to support hegemonic behavior, and much more, is phony and comes from nowhere, while some guy supposedly representing the banking industry is raising interest rates on lending.
Nobody in West Asia or East Asia need worry. The post competency era in the USA is long gone.
The zionists are on FIRE. Another Jewish mafia member is trying to SHAME Biden Regime:
Jason Brodsky:
{{Rather than expanding the Abraham Accords, we have countries–UAE and Saudi Arabia (assuming agreement fully carried out)–which are normalizing relations with U.S. adversary #Iran in an agreement brokered by U.S. rival #China.}}
The Iranian traitors abroad are very angry since Saudi Arabia was paying these traitors to spread propaganda against the nation of Iran. One of these traitors, KAVEH SHAHROOZ in Canada, servant of the terrorist Irwin Cotler from Israel lobby, has this to say:
Kaveh Shahrooz
@kshahrooz
The help and solidarity of democratic countries and democratic politicians should be used. But it is wrong to be attached to foreign governments and politicians, especially dictatorial regimes and dictatorial leaders. Today they flirt with the opposition and tomorrow they support the regime.
Mar 7, 2023 BLOODLINES OF POWER
This video is about the powerful families of industry and banking who shaped the 21st century. The first segment about the Rockefeller’s and the Rockefeller Foundation is taken straight from my book.
November 5, 2021 The Global Genome Bank: Total DNA Control of the World Population A Rockefeller Foundation Initiative
“Fast, accurate genomic sequencing information is the key to ending the Covid-19 pandemic and the suffering it has caused. Yet today only 14 countries, all of which have developed economies, are sequencing five percent or more of their cases and sharing them through global databases.”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/global-genome-bank-complements-rockefeller-foundation/5760568
agree with you joe, the u.s. hegemon is attempting to wrap it’s tentacles aro0und the e.u. and nato countries dumb enough to embrace the beast. will these unfortunate idiots be able to realize what the u.s., has planned for their populaces and more importantly for their sovereignty (and fuck you ron unz, your spell check sucks, ((which i think is purposeful, ((( to point out the goy)))?
HUGE CHINA BROKERED DEAL, IRAN & SAUDI ARABIA RESTORE DIPLOMATIC TIES
Duran’s over-stating this. So far, peace between Iran and Saudi Arabia is only tentative.
Video Link
“Naftali Bennett, the former Israeli prime minister, described the pact as a “serious and dangerous” development and a “fatal blow to the effort to create a regional alliance” against the Islamic Republic.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/10/iran-saudi-arabia-agree-restore-ties-china-talks
fuck you, jerry sandusky, here’s an honest response, you and all the child rapists out there, are going to get what you deserve.
The world is filled with cowards. A final blow will not be struck by the world against ZOG and its London-Tel Aviv masters until courageous Russians and Chinese show that ZOG can, and will, topple. Once the blood starts flowing, the world will line up excitedly to kick ZOG in the balls. But not a moment before then. Wise people, whatever their hemisphere, need to show support for Russia and China, because they are going to lead a lot of people out of chains.
“Middle East” is a really vague term – this one is much more descriptive. The Apartheid state is in fact in southwest Asia.
Another site I saw today says that the US occupies a larger proportion of Syria than Russia does of Ukraine. Why? To try to starve Syria into submission so the shithole state can grab the best parts.
Not a really exciting article, but one I’ve found was worth my time.
And who runs the western media? Same bunch that hates European Whites in America. Merrick Garland’s tribe. If the US toppling is what it takes to remove the cancerous tumor, then so be it. There are Israeli IDF soldiers who should be lined up in the docket at the Hague for Crimes against Humanity for what they’ve done to the Palestinian people. Plus, I want to see the end of the Rothschild’s gross charade. A world run by China, with Russia as a respected junior partner, and with a strong circle of allies, is better than the world we have right now.
So Russia is weak fighting (avoiding civilian casualties) US/NATO in Ukraine and the US/NATO losing to medieval Taliban in Afghanistan is considered, in your pea-sized brain, an invincible power – stupid. Russia is militarily weak in comparison to whom?
Russia deflected and survived mean-spirited and supposedly fatal sanctions and criminal theft (unfinished business yet) of foreign assets in billions is causing hardship to very sinister haters that wanted her fall. F off with your hate and deceitful propaganda Simonchuk.
“… Zoopolitics dominates Russian propaganda in the West. The
language at RT, for example, is explicitly brutal, “politically
incorrect”. It is aimed directly at the hearts and minds of those who
suffer from “civilisation fatigue”, those who consider the West’s
political correctness, diplomatic softness, and values of respect and
tolerance as expressions of its decadence and weakness. For
example, RT is not afraid of giving the floor to anti-Western
intellectuals such as Pepe Escobar who suggest dividing Ukraine
between Poland and Russia. And there are many instances of
messages of this kind.”
In this sense, Unz.com is similar to RT.
You are peeing against the wind…is Ukraine winning? This is velvet war so far to spare the civilian, they are not all Ukinazis. Russian will not resort to barbaric state terrorism of civilian projects like pipeline or bridges. Be patient, the methodical destruction of NATO club is progressing. The owner of wast essential resources will win – stupid.
Biden,Blinken and Bloben have succeeded in uniting the World against us in just two short years.The U.S. has only its vassal allies left and we have undermined the economy of our strongest ally,Germany,and humiliated their Chancellor.
Why would anyone trust us again,other than Israel of course.It looks like the
Ukrainian military will soon collapse unless NATO sends in soldiers to help,
meaning a war with Russia.But don’t have a panic attack just because this would be the first war between major nuclear powers.
We can take some comfort in knowing there are two careful and rational men
making critical decisions,but unfortunately Putin and Lavrov are on the same side.
Icing on the cake are the collpases of 2 banks – one tied to Fried Crypto another to Silicon.
One has ro wonder where the new thaw leads .
Pakistan can now show courage and start working on the pipeline from Iran . Saudi wont stop it.India should show realpolitik and join the project.
Russia should start a new peace prize and call it the Dynamite Peace Prize to be given to people who have actually done things that have led to peace.
Пошел на хуй на латиницу переводить не надо?
What does american military weakness have to do with Russia military inability to win the war and meet stated in the beginning goals after the whole year of fighting? Did I compare USA and Russia military. Does it mean that because you are moron everybody else is moron too?
When special operation started i did not expect things to go the way they have so far. The start was pretty good but I became sceptical rather early. First that was because the number of troops engaged was not in line with stated goals. 150 000 is clearly not enough to meet those goals and especially the way things started getting progressively worse later with. It became obvious that Russia military combat ready portion is rather small.
When military cannot meet stated goals and worse when the president and his representatives start using flexible goals it is sign to become very worried.
I shall be frank but this unz review is a garbage can.
I remember people here prising Hitler and demonizing USSR and here they are suddenly for Russia. Shizophrenia as was said. From Master and Margarita.
[I recently watched, (here on TUR), a video of Merrik Garland’s sending 20 or so armed FBI SWAT-type armed goons to a family home where some Catholic guy had peacefully protested at an abortion clinic.]
History repeating itself. Instead of the Soviet Union reign of terror by Bolshevik Jews, Amerika is in the throes of her reign of terror under the likes of Merrick Garland and his ilk. The Byzantines were wise to have forbidden many jobs to the Jews including, but not restricted to, finance, media, education, security. Security is the most critical factor here for once they have the reigns of brute power in their hands, expect them to unleash their innermost desires to terrorize the goys who refuse to submit to their edicts. Byzantium lasted from 333 AD till 1453 AD and in her final descent, the Jews played a critical role in her downfall by cooperating with the invading Ottomans, just like they collaborated with Alexander the Great when he sought the occupation of Egypt. How long will the U.S.last?
It is all a sad reality that is being nurtured by the American public’s complacency; but who am I to judge the American people, for after all, I am just a side watcher who chose a long time ago to disengage from the American equation.
Yes, I’m pretty sure de-dollarization got another boost in 2022 and that USA elites are thinking to do something in the KSA, bring down MBS, foment discord in the House of Saud. But that one would be a bridge too far me thinks. The KSA was one of the countries that benefited the most with globalization-suicide by USA elites, people there are very content with fast economic development, and resolving the Iran issue will further stabilize the country in the very important Eastern Province, where most of the oil is and most of the Saudi Shia live.
The American taxpayer is being fleeced right and left by his/her elites and the rest of the world so I wouldn’t be surprised.
Trump working for foreign agent , killed Sulemami to appease his foreign master and to appease both the Good Cop Bad Cop in order to escape senate impeachment ( that should have been a felony , a crime and high misdemeanor) killed also dollar’s dominance .
He could have increased US prestige, he could have earned some good points in non-Zionist part of ME that matters and prevented oil sale in Remnibi.
Instead he decided to steal some oil to build Trump towers and make his son in law’s future brighter with the settler military garrison complex .
What a piece of shit and worst of the real deplorable .
It’s not only Israel who lost ,other big losers will be India which has been cashing in the Shia Sunni conflicts at home and was playing that card in ME .
Pakistan ‘s society hopefully will become less partisan along Shia Sunni issue .
India will soon has to buy oil in Yuan as well .
China’s market just went up .Irans’s presence will be noted by Sudan Libya and Ejyot .Hopefully Sudan will take note and throw the Ziosnist from the country .
Egyptian military has been dominating the country for last 10 years . It has destroyed the civic institutions. It’s economy in free fall . With new realignment , Egypt can’t use the bogey of Iran to survive . It’s real Arab spring will begin . Israel will have Jordan and Bahrain left to show success .
Libya is no longer for Fran by the US France Ziosnit .
This Arab Iran rapprochement will shake N Africa as well and for good.
No wonder FDD’s rascals are shitting in their motehrs’s underwear .
Pepe lives in the permanent delusions of a pre-1989 leftist. He transfers his affections from the fake non-aligned movement (fake because it was aligned and included many rotten polities, though had it’s good points) and U.S.S.R., and P.R.C. to anything that comes along, sure, I agree in general on much, but what I say above re. his mentality is correct.
He is also extremely privileged, constantly travelling around on jet aeroplanes, on the ground at times, between adventures, I suspect like Vltchek (R.I.P.), he enjoys luxury hotels between assignments, and, like Vltchek, doesn’t fly cattle class from one place to another, has to be at least business or first. I may be wrong abt. Pepe (though I doubt it), but I do know about his sadly deceased friend Vltchek because I knew staff working at the (luxury) Imperial Hotel in Tokyo at the time Vltchek whined about the place in writing, they can’t make direct comment on a customer, but face expressions were enough.
Unlike Vltchek and likely Pepe, neither the Imperial Hotel staff nor I can ever afford to stay there, except for possibly one night on a special event like a wedding, nor, if we fly somewhere, can we afford more than cattle class.
Middle East and western Asia are different and in both Japanese and Chinese, the same distinction is made as in English, by the same terms. Shorter in kanji, but the same meanings.
{Wise people, whatever their hemisphere, need to show support for Russia and China, because…}
How about IRAN who has done all the hard work and suffering to bring down the ‘Rules Based Order’
idiot? It was not Russia or China. It was glorious General Qassem Soleimani who changed the world.
Today, the criminal west is afraid of his name and does not allow his name and pictures be posted, not the picture of Putin or Xi Jinping. They are in the news every day and NO one is afraid of them.
When Iran and its BRAVE Soldiers were fighting the evil empire, Russia and China were kissing the empires’ balls and dancing with their criminals. Iran and only Iran has changed the order and will continue to do so regardless of your criminality. Iran has weaken your dog, the Jewish mafia, and threw it in toilette and flushed it. They have to leave the region soon. You can not erect another Israel with the support of Russia in our region anymore like in 1947, racists.
Russia since 1991 or more accurately since 2001 (Putin era) is NOT the USSR before and during WW2. USSR at that time was run by Bolsheviks (i.e (((Trotsky))) and his forever proletariat revolution aimed at the World).
Russia today protects Russians and Russia. It’s not trying to wage violent war everywhere and impose an Uni-Polar, one-sided, “rules based order” like the USA and it’s vassal NATO members (sans Turkey and Hungary).
Mark Dubowitz, a terrorist Jewish mafia member, is very angry at the ties between Iran and Saudi Arabia, because it has pushed the ‘Abraham Accords’ into the Toilet. The Mafia feels complete DEFEAT.
Now, they have made some changes, less propaganda against Iran, and MORE propaganda against China. Be aware of it. The Jewish mafia is supporting the secessionist Tibetans, like what they are doing in the region supporting the secessionist kurdish terrorist groups against Iran.
I want to know what the Kurdish terrorists, Israel proxy, are doing after the new development between Iran and Saudi Arabia made by the NEW superpower China? I am sure the Kurdish terrorist groups feel defeat as well. These naive groups must stop supporting a criminal entity, Israel, otherwise they have NO place in the NEW WORLD ORDER.
Mark Dubowitz Retweeted
The Select Committee on the CCP
@committeeonccp
19h
Select Committee Chairman
@RepGallagher
stands with the brave Tibetan protesters on the doorstep of the Chinese embassy.
I just read the other day that if Pakistan delays they will have to pay heavy fines to Iran. Apparently it was legally binding
Good point about Solemani…. He was killed while trying to have a meeting with the Saudis… as we see Iraq and Oman were involved in these negotiations. So it seems they chose to do this in China to avoid US assassination attempts again
First you need to cure Putin’s and Russia’s schizophrenia about Ukraine. You can’t negotiate with lunatics.
Russia’s schizophrenia toward Ukraine, seeing it as both a ‘fraternal brother’ and a mortal enemy, was on full display in the spring of 2021, when Russia conducted a massive military exercise on its border with southeastern Ukraine. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, and Deputy Chief of General Staff Dmitry Kozak threatened Ukraine with ‘destruction,’ ‘extinction,’ and ‘unpredictable’ and ‘irreversible consequences for Ukrainian statehood. ‘ Kozak warned that a war with Russia would be ‘the beginning of the end of Ukraine.’ Meanwhile, Ukraine’s accession to NATO would lead to the ‘collapse of Ukraine’. The Russian media hyped the “disappearance” of Ukraine from the map.
Once again, my thanks to Pepe Escobar for his exceptionally well-researched perspective on important developments.
“all political issues are connected to Palestine” because establishing Israel on the bodies and lands of murdered and robbed Palestinians has been the longstanding pet project of the Zionist Mafia that runs the US & UK. Their longer range pet project is to rule the world from Jerusalem.
https://warprofiteerstory.blogspot.com
But their attack on Russia is looking like an arrogant overreach. Hopefully their Talmudist “divide and conquer” strategy will be replaced by a Eurasian “unite and cooperate” strategy. Humanity has accumulated enough experience for this to be the next “something big”. National leaders have only to put aside their personal ambitions and serve their people.
Under Putin, as the regime made the transition from “roving” to “stationary” bandits, interelite violence did decrease, and the streets became safer. Globalization allowed Russian elites to continue to maximize their gains by keeping domestic markets open for their predation while minimizing their own personal risk by depositing profits in secure offshore accounts.
In the words of American economists Clifford Gaddy from the Brookings Institution and Barry Ickes from Pennsylvania State University, Putin operates a “protection racket” dependent on a code of behavior that severely punishes disloyalty while allowing access to economic predation on a world-historic scale for the inner core of his elite. By his third term, he had created a highly controlled security system able to use the laws, the media, and the security forces as a means of intimidating, and critically balancing, rival economic elites. Others have called it a “corporation,” “Kremlin, Inc.,” “a sistema,” or a “corporatist-kleptocratic regime.”
The Russian political analyst Yevgeniy Gontmakher, the deputy director of Moscow’s Institute of World Economy and International Relations, made the astute observation that “there is no state in Russia.” There is “a certain structure in which millions of people who call themselves bureaucrats work,” but they do not perform the function that a state is supposed to perform: “Instead of the state as an institution implementing the course of a developing country, we have a huge and uncontrolled private structure which is successfully diverting profits for its own use.”
The Parliament had become “yet another department of the Presidential Administration,” along with the entire legal system, and bureaucrats who thought they worked for the state in fact serve only the interests of an “extremely large monopolistic business structure which can do anything it likes” and which controls “not less than 50 percent of the economy.” Profits are diverted on the whole not to assist the population but to line the pockets of bureaucrats and the political elite.
Anton Surikov, a former military intelligence specialist who became an outspoken critic of Putin, was more candid in speaking to a Western journalist: “To tell you the truth . . . all Russian politicians are bandits from St. Petersburg.” One of the persistent features of Putin’s circle is that they promote their friends and do not forget to punish their enemies.
That’s not how it works Arthur, the KSA is not the single actor causing trouble.
There are several sides in that conflict, one of them is Iran. China and Russia would need to do a multiple-front effort, including at least the KSA, Iran and the factions inside Yemen, to resolve that war.
For those naive people who think by the renewal of Iran – Saudi Arabia ties, it may help to end the war in Yemen, I should say the war against Yemen is US war where Saudi Arabia is funding the war.
This brutal war is not going to end since Iran and Saudi Arabia have decided to open diplomatic relations. Biden regime like Trump regime will continue the war until they are forced out. The main country behind the war is the US NOT Saudi Arabia for geopolitical gain, mainly Bab Al Mandab. Also this brutal war against the children of Yemen has been a GOOD source of revenue by selling billions of dollars of WMD to Saudis and the UAE. Cradle writes:
[For decades, Washington treated Yemen as Saudi Arabia’s backyard. Riyadh has been left to do with Yemen as it pleases, constantly interfering in the country’s internal processes by overthrowing governments, appointing officials, and manipulating tribal conflicts. During this era, Washington more than once intervened in Yemen militarily, either to “combat terrorism” or to curb the rise of the Yemeni army in coordination with the Saleh regime. Before the start of the Saudi invasion, the US also kept its grip on Yemen to secure the flow of the five million or so barrels of oil that passed through the Bab al-Mandab Strait each day.
Between 2010 and the 2015 onset of the Yemen war, the US sold just $3 billion worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia. Between 2015 and 2020, that number skyrocketed to an astounding $64.1 billion – not including the equivalent increase in weapons sales to Saudi allies in the Yemen war, such as the United Arab Emirates (UAE). However, the Yemeni resistance soon proved to be a more capable opponent than either the coalition or its western sponsors expected.]
Biden regime wants to partition Yemen, like Iraq, Libya and Syria to gain geopolitical control where is getting more difficult as days past. People of the region know that Washington presence lead to nothing but war and partition for the regional states and EXPANSION of the apartheid entity. Thus they want US move out of the region now.
[But despite the brutal siege imposed on Yemen, the Yemeni army has significantly boosted its offensive capabilities and qualitative military advancements, forcing the kingdom to seek an exit from hostilities That is Riyadh’s current internal priority. Whereas, the US, thousands of miles away from the fight, continues to insist on keeping Yemen’s conflict in play to use as leverage for its broader regional strategies. This includes exploiting the war’s catastrophic humanitarian consequences to increase domestic pressure on Ansarallah.]
https://thecradle.co/article-view/22436/us-and-saudi-policies-diverge-over-yemen
Just so.
His characterizing the term Middle East as “a reductionist, Orientalist notion devised by old colonials” is nothing more than a fashionable sneer calculated to show his solidarity with the most contemptible leftist ideologues in the academic and political spheres. I thought he had matured to the point where this sort of conformity with Establishment mores had become a thing of the repudiated past.
West Asia defined by the Asia Society includes: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Cyprus, Georgia, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
China was always called (中國)”Middle Country” in Asia. Seldon Map (Ming Dynasty map) puts China in it’s proper place:
https://asiatimes.com/2020/03/not-your-everyday-middle-kingdom-map-of-china/
As for the Western Colonialists, the widely projected Mercator Map (Flemish Cartographer circa 1569) used in every school is actually by scale incorrect. The map distorts the true size of the continents. Not an outright lie but certainly mis-information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection
A map called the Gall Peters map (1855) offers accurate scale yet this map was not used in public education until very recently (and only in limited places). Colonialists have known of this map since 1855 yet they continued to push the Mercator projection for over 150 years and counting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercator_projection
the last line in the above comment should read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall–Peters_projection
Since when did a UN vote stop the USA/NATO from doing whatever it liked?
If it got a vote its way, USA/NATO will then add it into their propaganda. If not, they’ll just carry it out.
Anyway, regarding the vote, Russia and China assumed wrongly that the West’s doctrine of “Responsibility to protect”(R2P) was just to stop the civil war. That is why when the 2nd time around for Syria, Russia stepped into the fore with China in the background, to support Syria.
Really, if you wanted to blame, blame the USA/NATO and whatever entities backing them.
Was it necessary to belittle Russia and Chine’s efforts when they are trying to help? You could have simply stated that Iran has done a lot of hard work and needs to be recognised.
You also realise that the Western MSM would be doing their best to cast all this in a bad light?
Trying to nitpick simply makes you a pawn in their mind games.
Focus more on the actual enemies, will you?
[Anyway, regarding the vote, Russia and China assumed wrongly that the West’s doctrine of “Responsibility to protect”(R2P) was just to stop the civil war.]
Do you think China and Russia were 40 years old westerners who knew SHIT about the intention of US/NATO. No, no, no. They let it go to collect concessions for their Abstain vote, because they knew the US/NATO will do what they think is necessary to do. At least, they thought, we obtain our ‘shares’ out of destruction of Libya and massacre of Qaddafi and his family.
Russia and China painted themselves ‘greedy’ that are ONLY interested maintaining ‘good’ relations with the West to collect concessions. Both countries since the bombing of Libya tried so hard to be accepted as junior partner, especially Russia, but the west rejected them, because they are looking for the destruction and partition of these countries to maintain their status, but, the events has proven them otherwise. The US is going down the tube faster than anyone anticipated.
To whine about the Mercator projection is to loudly state ‘I am a moron’.
Any who is barely conscious knows that it is only the best in terms of latitude and longitude. Likewise, that it distorts scale and that several other projections are useful.
You may as well continue eating dog faeces to maintain your dogbumbreath, but stop your half-imbecile dogshit writing.
Most people don’t know the difference between scale and projection. Most people are unconscious and think Mercator is the only “truth” because that is the map being promoted and taught. Mercator is only a benefit if measuring angles or representing the shapes of features.
The majority of people looking at a map just care about the size of land masses, oceans, seas etc..and their location relative to each other and the Gall Peters map is accurate in this regard. On a Mercator map, Greenland is the size of Africa when in reality Africa is 14x bigger. Likewise, Alaska looks 3x bigger than Mexico when in reality Mexico is 33% bigger than Alaska.
FYI, leaders of tropical countries have criticized the Mercator map because it unfairly represents their countries as very small in comparison to mid- and high-latitude countries. Is it coincidence that mid and high-latitude countries (Britain and France, for example) were also Colonial powers that colonized tropical countries? The exaggerated size on the map further reinforces past dominance in this relationship.
Perception matters which is why some countries and organizations have begun to teach and promote the Gall Peters map.
Now, not sure if this applies to you but there is a negative perception of non Japanese living in Japan (i.e. something lacking) but I won’t bother elaborating. Enjoy chocking on your Guava’s.
So, buy a globe of the Earth, stop whining about bullshit, clean your teeth, and stop eating dog faeces, then you won’t have dog bum breath any longer.
I’m seldom surprised by the stupidity of modern western leftists of now, but you make a great example.
Your last clause is rubbish, of course the Mercator projection is increasingly inaccurate in representing the scales of features as it extends towards the poles.
That is common knowledge. You also imply some evil in Greenland or other islands to the north of Russia and Canada taking up much space on the map as a kind of evil conspiracy. Perhaps Antartica extending around the base of the map is also an evil conspiracy. LOL.
There is a human behind dogbumbreath, are you really that stupid? I would say brainwashed, not stupid.
Hard to believe the depth of such a moronic PoV.
Your argument is for rule of morons, and you have clearly been miseducated to appear to be a moron and to support morons. I suspect that your potential is far better than moron level.
Not expecting much, but asking you to think beyond the nonsense of your miseducation.
Lets leave the silly name calling behind. I believe based on your comment history you’re not someone who needs to stoop so low. The gist of my post is, the Colonialists have used the Mercator Map to sway public perception for their benefit even though other more accurate maps exist. Controlling perception is a powerful tool. I set out some examples and you can disagree. The end.
FYI, I was at my annual dental checkup last week and the hygienist again told me, “your oral hygiene is perfect”. I have great teeth, smile and no bad breath…ladies keep saying…no lie.
I believe you re. teeth, didn’t take your u-name literally to start, but, as you, a little ‘net troll spirit.
That is nonsense, it was just a useful tool for naviagation, and depiction. A challenge for you:
Give one example. Also, how was it used to ‘sway public perception’?
The historically brief time of recent colonialism was almost all in mid-latitudes, where the Mercator projection has little distortion of shape.
Think about it. Read. Whoever was imparting these ideas to you was entirely wrong.
I was in the third grade in 1953. One day, early in the school year during a geography lesson, my teacher, a very kind, very lovely woman named Mother Mary Gabriel, OSU (i.e., she was an Ursuline nun), called on a student who had raised his hand. His question was “Why does this map make Greenland look almost as big as all of North America?” After the rest of us stopped laughing, Mother Gabriel explained that the purpose of a Mercator projection—for that, of course, was what the map was—was to simplify the calculation of distances and the gauging of latitudinal relations for places in the north and south Temperate Zones, where the overwhelming majority of human beings lived.* She then asked the class, “How many of you know what the Temperate Zones are?” As I recall, all but perhaps three or four out of roughly forty children raised a hand.
I relate this little story to make three points. (1) Almost all my fellow seven- and eight-year-olds already knew that Greenland wasn’t larger than North America and that we all lived in the North Temperate Zone. (2) It required no more than a one-minute explanation for all to learn and comprehend that the inherent conflict between a more or less spherical planet and its useful (indeed essential) representation on a flat piece of paper inevitably entailed certain compromises of perspective in the representation. (3) Until I began moving from one classroom to another in college—the change of locale relating, needless to say, to the course or lecture I was on my way to—I had literally never been in a classroom that failed to have a globe that was plainly visible to all.
I am painfully aware that the United States has, to an almost incalculable degree, changed for the worse in the past seventy years. Yet I respectfully decline to believe that any white person who has ever cast his eyes on a globe could be swayed by “colonialists” or anyone else to believe that a flat map offers anything more than an approximation of the lands and waters pictured on it. Furthermore, the fact that Americans now have a president who requires a map to guide him on his frequent trips to the men’s room should assist even our billions of illegal aliens to see that maps have limited utility.**
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*You won’t be surprised to learn that her answer was somewhat longer, since she briefly explained the Mercator projection in terms of the familiar image of an orange peel with several cuts made in it to allow it to lie flat on the table.
**SARCASM ALERT!
Save me from having to go to the beach to make a video interviewing strangers…
Pierre, you went to a good school with patient teachers and surrounded by bright students.
Your experience/environment is not indicative of how the rest of the World is. Personally, I can’t remember seeing a Globe in my high school except for the library. Anyway, my point concerns perception. Remember ‘Bert the Turtle’ and ‘Duck and Cover drills’ in the 1950’s? Should the USSR attack, hide under your school desk and it can save your life. No one today would believe that and it’s not because people are smarter (as you allude, likely not). It’s because the “perception of fear” of the USSR is no longer necessary. As mentioned in previous post, there are other maps (i.e. Gall Peters) which better represent the size of land masses and oceans in 2 dimension. No need for good teachers, bright students or a Globe. This episode of ‘West Wing’ explains why the Mercator Map is still being used today:
Not a reply to my reply, and not a valid reply to my challenge. The video is just nonsense, propagandistic lies. Really, it’s just like an out-take from a good B-movie, like They Live.
Sure, I understand that idiotocracy has triumphed in education in many western places, it seems a shame that you can’t liberate yourself from it.
I see that Pierre also has a valid reply to you.
Thanks for your measured reply. The thing I remember best about the nuclear-attack drills is that my school didn’t have them, whereas the public elementary school directly across East 163rd Street in the Bronx did. I don’t know what the principal’s reason for not having them was—neither I nor any of my contemporaries would have dared ask her!—but I wouldn’t be surprised if her attitude was similar to my father’s, and he spoke about all nuclear-public-safety warnings with open contempt. I remember him saying once that he was waiting for the mayor to announce that you could protect yourself from fallout by wearing a raincoat!
I don’t know how old you are, but whether you’re 25 or 60 or anything in between, it’s appalling to read that the folks who run some schools—whether public or private hardly matters—don’t seem to understand that a classroom without a globe is as ill equipped as a classroom without a blackboard (or whatever the accepted euphemism for “blackboard” is nowadays). Surely there are times when every student or teacher feels the need to see precisely where the Andaman Islands are. [wink]
Funny you say that. Flew to Port Blair for a romance 20+ years ago from Mumbai. Anyway, here is an interesting video from an Africans perspective. When one says Colonialism, Africa comes to mind:
Last year I ran into a very dear old friend, a woman I first met more than fifty years ago. She told me that, since we had last seen each other, she had traveled as a tourist to Antarctica—twice. Now I am conversing with someone who has been to the Andaman Islands. How soon, I wonder, till I see an elephant fly?
You are peeing against the wind…is Ukraine winning? This is velvet war so far to spare the civilian, they are not all Ukinazis. Russian will not resort to barbaric state terrorism of civilian projects like pipeline or bridges. Be patient, the methodical destruction of NATO club is progressing. The owner of wast essential resources will win – stupid.
How is Russia winning? 7 1/2 months to take half of Bakhmut and they are driving around in T-62s (a model based on the T-55 which uses WW2 tech).
Bradley fighting vehicles have just arrived in Bakhmut. I really don’t see how this is going to get better for Russia.