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In his meeting with Putin, Orban raised critical questions regarding the feasibility of peace talks, the potential for a ceasefire, and the future security architecture of Europe. He noted that Putin appeared rational and composed during their discussions, suggesting that negotiations with him require a high level of preparedness. Orban’s insights into Putin’s demeanor and strategic thinking are significant, as they may inform future diplomatic approaches. The Hungarian leader’s framing of his mediation as a “Christian duty” underscores a moral dimension in the pursuit of peace amidst a backdrop of escalating tensions and armed conflict.
The broader implications of these discussions are tied to Putin's vision for a new Eurasian security system, which was notably discussed at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit. Putin envisions a security framework that is inclusive of all Eurasian countries, aimed at creating a multipolar world order that moves away from Western dominance. This plan includes the establishment of alternative economic mechanisms and the gradual reduction of foreign military presence in Eurasia, which could significantly alter the geopolitical balance. The SCO is positioned to play a pivotal role in this new security architecture, potentially reshaping relationships across the continent and challenging the existing Euro-Atlantic security paradigm.
As negotiations unfold, the stakes remain high, particularly with the approach of the U.S. presidential elections and shifting political dynamics. The potential for a “Korean scenario” looms, where a temporary ceasefire could lead to a protracted standoff rather than a genuine resolution. Russia's demand for a neutral, demilitarized Ukraine is non-negotiable from Moscow’s perspective, and any perceived attempts by the West to maintain military support for Ukraine could lead to further conflict. Orban’s unique position may allow him to navigate these complexities more effectively than his European counterparts, but the path to peace remains fraught with challenges. The future of the "rules-based international order" is thus increasingly uncertain, with the potential for sustained conflict unless a comprehensive and mutually acceptable settlement is reached.
## I. Introduction
A. Overview of the geopolitical dynamics in Novorossiya
B. Importance of Viktor Orban's recent diplomatic engagements
## II. Viktor Orban's Diplomatic Moves
A. Orban's peace shuttle between Ukraine, Russia, and China
1. Occurrence on the eve of NATO's 75th anniversary
2. Reaction of Western geopolitical observers
B. Summary of key points from the Putin-Orban meeting
1. Putin's perspective on the conflict
a. Ceasefire issues and martial law in Ukraine
b. Potential presidential elections and Ukrainian authorities' chances
c. Moscow's desire for a definitive endgame
2. Orban's observations and commentary
a. Distance between Russian and Ukrainian positions
b. Economic impacts of the war on Europe
c. Insights from Putin regarding peace initiatives
## III. Orban's Characterization of Putin
A. Description of Putin's demeanor and negotiation style
1. Rationality and discipline in negotiations
2. Importance of intellectual preparation in discussions
B. Emphasis on the confidentiality of communication
1. Surveillance concerns in diplomatic exchanges
## IV. New Eurasia Security System
A. Proposal by Putin for a new security architecture
1. Role of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO)
2. Transformation of SCO into a universal security response center
B. The concept of the Greater Eurasian Partnership
1. Historical context and recent developments
2. Open invitation to all Eurasian countries for participation
C. Goals of the new security system
1. Phasing out external military presence in Eurasia
2. Establishing alternatives to Western economic mechanisms
## V. The Collapse of Euro-Atlantic Security Framework
A. Critique of the current Euro-Atlantic security model
1. Failure to achieve “indivisible security for all”
2. Need for a cooperative future in Eurasia
B. Vision for a multipolar global security architecture
1. Foundations based on UN Charter principles
2. Integration of the Greater Eurasian Partnership into security arrangements
## VI. Challenges from the West
A. Resistance from the EU and NATO
1. Reluctance to accept the emerging security reality
2. Potential for increasing tensions in Eurasia
B. The Russian peace plan for Ukraine
1. Comparison with NATO-centered plans
2. Implications of the Trump administration's approach to NATO
## VII. The Future of the Ukraine Conflict
A. Strategic implications of a potential truce
1. Concerns over a re-armed Ukraine
2. Moscow's demands for a neutral Ukraine
B. Orban's understanding of the Russia-China partnership
1. Different approach compared to EU partners
2. Anticipated negotiations in the near future
## VIII. Conclusion
A. Summary of the geopolitical landscape
1. Ongoing struggle between Unipolar and Multipolar orders
2. Russia's determination to achieve its conditions for peace
B. Future prospects for peace negotiations
1. Potential outcomes based on current dynamics
2. Importance of the upcoming BRICS summit and further diplomatic efforts
## IX. Final Thoughts
A. The significance of the evolving geopolitical context
B. Orban's role as a mediator amidst a complex international environment
C. The overarching question of whether the West will adapt to the new security order
The Big Picture remains: the future of the “rules-based international order” is being decided in the black soil of Novorossiya.
Viktor Orban is on a roll.
And that has set out a riotous roller coaster.
Everyone has been gripped by the extraordinary spectacle of pre-historic specimens wallowing in the Western geopolitical swamp reaching the depths of Hysteriastan at the sight of the Hungarian Prime Minister’s peace shuttle moving from Ukraine and Russia to China.
And to do that on the eve of the 75th anniversary of warmongering Global Robocop NATO has got to be the ultimate affront.
The 3-hour long Putin-Viktor The Mediator meeting in Moscow was quite something. These are arguably Putin’s three main points:
- Kiev cannot allow the idea of a ceasefire because that would remove the pretext for extending martial law.
- If Kiev ends martial law, it will need to hold presidential elections. The chances of the current Ukrainian authorities winning are close to zero.
- There should not be a truce for additional Kiev weaponizing: Moscow wants a complete and final endgame.
By comparison, these are arguably Orban’s three main points:
- The positions of Russia and Ukraine are very far from each other, much needs to be done.
- The war in Ukraine has begun to have an impact on the European economy and its competitiveness (as much as the EU “leadership” may deny it).
- “I heard what Putin thinks about the existing peace initiatives, the ceasefire and negotiations, and the vision of Europe after the war.”
Orban also made a point of emphasizing the airtight pre-meeting secrecy, as “means of communication are under total surveillance by the Big Boys”.
He described the search for a solution in Ukraine as his “Christian duty”. And he said he asked three direct questions to Putin: whether peace talks are possible; whether a ceasefire before they begin is realistic; and what Europe’s security architecture could look like.
Putin, said Orban, answered all three.
The clincher – not for the warmongers, but for the Global Majority – was Orban’s description of Putin:
“All negotiations with him, he is always in a good mood – this is the first thing. Secondly, he is more than 100% rational. When he negotiates, when he begins to explain, when he makes an offer, saying yes or no, he is super, super rational. How else can you say it in Hungarian? Cool headed, reserved, careful and punctual. He has discipline. So it is a real challenge to negotiate with him and be prepared to match his intellectual and political level.”
That new Eurasia security system
All of the above ties up with the concept of a new Eurasia security system proposed last month by Putin – and a key theme of discussion at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit in Astana last week.
Putin has emphasized the central role of the SCO in the process, stating that a “decision was made to turn the SCO regional anti-terrorist structure into a universal center tasked with responding to the entire range of security threats.”
In a nutshell: the SCO will be arguably the key node in the new Eurasia-wide indivisibility of security arrangement. This is as huge as it gets.
It all started with the concept of Greater Eurasian Partnership, proposed by Putin in 2015 and conceptualized by Sergey Karaganov in 2018. Putin took it to another level in his meeting with key Russian diplomats in June; it’s time to set up serious bilateral and multilateral guarantees for collective Eurasian security.
That should be a security architecture, according to Putin, open to “all Eurasian countries that wish to participate,” including “European and NATO countries.”
And it should lead to “gradually phasing out” the military presence of “external powers in Eurasia”, side by side with “establishing alternatives to Western-controlled economic mechanisms, expanding the use of national currencies in settlements, and establishing independent payment systems.”
In a nutshell: a complete geopolitical and technical-military revamp, as well as geoeconomic (the importance of developing alternative international transport corridors such as the INSTC).
The Chargé d’Affaires of the Russian Mission to the EU, Kirill Logvinov, tried to brief the Europeans last week, under the rubric “New Security Architecture for the Eurasian Continent”.
Logvinov explained how “the Euro-Atlantic concept of security has collapsed. Based on U.S. and NATO dominance, the European regional security framework has failed to ensure the practical implementation of the ‘indivisible security for all’ principle.”
A future system of security and cooperation in Eurasia will then form the “foundation of the global security architecture in a multipolar world based on the UN Charter principles and the rule of international law.”
And the Greater Eurasian Partnership will form the economic and social basis of this new Eurasian security system.
Hell will freeze over before the EU/NATO accept the new reality. But the fact is the already emerging mutual security space within the SCO should make Eurasia – minus its Western Europe peninsula, at least for the foreseeable future – more solid in terms of Big Power strategic stability.
Eventually, it will be up to Europe – rather Far Western Eurasia: either you remain as lowly vassals under the declining Hegemon, or you Look East for a sovereign, dynamic future.
The Russian plan v. all other plans
It’s under this Big Picture that Putin’s peace plan for Ukraine – announced on June 14 in front of the crème de la crème of Russian diplomats – should be understood. Orban certainly got it.
Any other plans – with the exception of the revised Chinese offer, and that’s why Orban went to Beijing – are irrelevant, from Moscow’s perspective.
Of course Team Trump had to come up with their own NATO-centered plan. That’s not exactly a gift to clueless Europeans.
Under Trump, NATO’s role will shift: it will become an “auxiliary” force in Europe. Washington of course will keep its nodes in the Empire of Bases – in Germany, UK, Turkey – but ground forces, armored vehicles, artillery, logistics, everything, high costs included, will be fully paid by wobbling European economies.
Under the coordination of Trump’s national defense strategy adviser, Elbridge Colby, the new administration would promise to give Putin commitments “not to expand NATO to the east.” Moreover, Trump seems to be ready to “consider territorial concessions” to Russia.
As if Moscow would be praying in unison to get “concessions” from a notoriously unreliable American president.
The whole point of this plan is that under Trump 2.0 the main “threat” to the U.S. will be China, not Russia.
With only four months before the U.S. presidential election, and with the cadaver in the White House at the point of being thrown – especially by powerful donors – under the (retirement home) bus, it finally dawned even on the zombie crowd that the dream of inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia is over.
Still, the Dems in D.C. and their discombobulated NATO vassals are desperate to impose a Korean scenario: a sham ceasefire and a freeze along the current frontlines.
In this case hell will freeze over before Moscow accepts a “peace plan” that preserves the possibility of a somewhat rump Ukraine entering NATO and the EU in the near future, plus preserving a re-weaponized Ukrainian army on Russia’s western front.
A freeze of the war now translates as a new war in two or three years with a hugely re-weaponized Kiev. That’s not gonna happen – as Moscow’s absolute imperative is a neutral Ukraine, fully de-militarized, plus the end of the official de-Russification juggernaut.
Orban arguably is not playing the NATO game of trying to “persuade” Russia – and China – to a truce, with Beijing putting pressure on Moscow. Unlike his clueless EU partners, Orban may have learned a thing or two about the Russia-China strategic partnership.
The next four months will be frantic, both on the negotiation and the crypto-negotiation fronts. The war likely will not end in 2024. And the scenario of a long, dreadful multi-year war may – and the operative word is “may” – only be dispelled with Trump 2.0: and that, over the Deep State’s collective dead bodies.
The Big Picture remains: the future of the “rules-based international order” is being decided in the black soil of Novorossiya. It’s Unipolar Order v. Multipolar, Multi-Nodal Order.
NATOstan is not in the position to dictate any pathetic mumbo jumbo to Russia. Putin’s offer has been the last one. Won’t take it? The war will go on all the way – until total surrender.
There are no illusions whatsoever in Moscow that the collective West may accept Putin’s offer. Sergey Naryshkin, the head of the SVR, has been blunt: the conditions will only get worse. Putin announced just the “lowest level” of Moscow’s conditions.
Orban may have understood that in real conditions for a peace settlement, the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions will come to Russia along their original administrative borders; Ukraine will be neutral, nuclear-free and non-aligned; all collective West sanctions will be lifted; and Russia’s frozen funds will be returned.
Before any of that happens – such a long shot – Russia has plenty of time. The priority now is a successful BRICS summit next October in Kazan. New presidential aides Nikolai Patrushev and A. Dyumin, along with the new Defense Minister Belousov, are honing the Big Picture strategy.
Meanwhile, there’s always the NATO show – as a side show. So peaceful, so benign, so democratic. Such cool production values. Join the fun!
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here’s the take away, the real (non-zato) world, is moving forward understanding the impending collapse of the old “rules based order”. orban is positioning hungary to be the gateway to the new, new world order. first he visited ukraine to tell ratlensky, he may want to start stuffing his suitcases with cash and make plans for his samsonite option.
then off to moscow, to discuss becoming the new energy hub of europe, after the russias create a land corridor to hungary (and transnitstra). this may involve a partitioning of ukraine into a russian speaking and ukrainian speaking sections, or complete absorption into the russian federation, with approval of citizenry, as with the four new russian oblasts.
then orban was off to bejing to discuss the b.r.i. with china, positioning hungary as the major transportation and energy hub of novoeuropa. georgia appears to be following through on the same plan after the fico assassination attempt failed .
That’s why NATO can’t let Russian troops reach Ukraine’s western border. Hungary will be freed to leave the EU in exchange for access to Asia and cheap energy. Serbia will join him, then maybe Slovakia and Croatia. Then other dominoes may fall in Europe as industry shifts to these nations to access cheap energy and Russian markets. This is how Russia is a “threat” to NATO.
This guest does not keep track of the news. Russia has been refusing to accept Rupees for Russian oil and gas from middle of 2023. Russia asked India to pay in RMB/CNY. And then from early this year, or maybe late last year, India refuses to use RMB any more. Then Russian stopped selling. And here is the news from Reuters, said now India agreed to use Russian Rubles to pay.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/indias-reliance-buy-russian-oil-roubles-sources-say-2024-05-28/
NEW DELHI, May 28 (Reuters) – India’s Reliance Industries (RELI.NS), opens new tab, operator of the world’s biggest refining complex, has signed a one-year deal with Russia’s Rosneft to buy at least 3 million barrels of oil a month in rubles, four sources aware of the matter told Reuters.
Did you mean to connect Fico to Georgia or you meant Slovakia?
This war only serves the parasite America and especially its Jews, its “shareholders” or worse “global stakeholders” – vomit; just good that earth is anything but a globe.
Europe, especially Germany, France, Italy, Russia, and I hate to say Turkey must remove America completely, must throw out that freak, because it is a monster and will destroy everyone and everything and what it cannot devour it destroys or disfigures satanically. The same must be said for Israhell and Vatica.
Unfortunately, Jew Putin desires in his Jewed up nature primarily to be part of the “global stakeholders”, re. “Global South” (sic).
China has actually started to war Anglo-America from the word go, the moment it could stand again; who would wonder?!
…and Nato is Jewmerica aka Anglo-America; Nato is Europe’s worst enemy.
Why Orban?
Ukraine had a very small Ukrainian population before 2014. Mainly Russian speaking in the east and a large Hungarian population in the west.
What the Ukies did to the Russian-speakers they also did (and are doing) to the Hungarian-descendants, persecution, denial of rights and proscription of language. Orban’s Ukrainian-Hungarians are being destroyed as would have happened to the Eastern Russians except that a) they were strong enough and numerous enough to declare independence and b) they had Putin with Russia and not Orban with his problems (issues during Orbán’s second premiership include controversial constitutional and legislative reforms, in particular the 2013 amendments to the Constitution of Hungary, as well as the European migrant crisis, ). He was fighting for his life against the combined EU.
Now he feels secure to start siding with Russia against the insanity of NATO.
Like Romania a large proportion of descendants of Hungary speak the local language but have Hungarian names, traditions and culture.
When Putin wins, he may well ask Hungary to take responsibility for much of the western region.
Belarus can have the North-West (screw you Poland) and Transnistria returns to New Ukraine.
oops, my bad on that, but both. kobakhidze, was threatened with receiving the fico treatment if georgia passed their law requiring foreign funded “ngo’s” to register as foreign agents, (as do most e.u. zato countries). this enraged the e.u. and u.s., and they were disinvited from, the latest zato war games. whew, dodged a bullet there!
fico unfortunately couldn’t dodge the bullets but is made of strong stuff. he’s now doubling down and now it’s personal for him. kobakhidze, is made of strong stuff as well, telling the world of the thug like nature of the zato mafia, and passing the law against the wishes of the dieing zioneocon empire.
who the hell would want to move into a burning house, (besides armenia)?
It’s obvious the FUNDAMENTALS of the conflict with Russia have NOT changed one iota.
http://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/the-truth-about-the-conflict-with-russia/
Ukraine is a Frankenstein Monster as a country. It is not a nation in any sense of the word. It was created by Bolshevik fiat in the early 1920’s by Lenin and the gang. Concept was that the Ukraine SSR was to become a quasi-independent element within the USSR.
Fast forward to the end of WWII and Stalin made some more additions to Ukraine, most tellingly the long fought over and thoroughly deracinated Oblast of Galicia, a region which had long been under Polak governance and then for many decades under the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Over time, the Russian Orthodox sector of that mixed ethnic state, had mostly adjusted to political influence and created a Uniate church in cohesion with Rome. That group of people began to get the notion that they were “Western” and thus not just Slavic backwoods types.
Along with the Galicians, who quickly removed the remaining Poles as well as the Jewish elements during their romance with the Third Reich; Stalin appended portions of Slovakia, Hungary and Romania to the Frankenstein state…without a full ethnic identity, whatsoever. With close to half of the state being ethnically Russian and/or Russian-speaking; Ukraine became a full-fledged Frankenstein state upon the breakup of the USSR. No ethnic or national cohesion.
Thus the politico-cultural and historical background of the region formerly known as “Little Russia”.
Following the CIA, $tate Department and George Sorrow$ engineered Maidan coup; the new government became an amalgam of Talmudist profiteers/oligarch along with Banderite Galician fascists, proudly embracing Nazi regalia.
Talk about a fake country.
So here’s the breakdown. Eventually, some elements of the remnant Ukie army will sign a surrender agreement with the R.U. This is almost inevitable.
Those body-parts belonging to other nations and ethnicities will revert to their original background polities. Plebiscites will be held throughout the remnants of Ukraine. The Kharkov and Odessa regions will delightedly rejoin Mama Bear. Some of the Ukrainian dialect speakers will also choose to become part of the R.U. The Romanians will revert to form and so will the Hungarians and the Slovaks. A smallish NovoUkrainia will formulate in and around Kiev. That dependent state will become a “Slavic Brother State” much like Belarus.
Galicia and some nearby regions in neighboring Oblasts will become somewhat of a pariah state, jointly protected by its neighboring lands. That former element of the Pale of Settlement will be instructed to take in refugees from newly independent Palestine who do not possess dual citizenship. Those Judaics will once again live in lands formerly “shared” by their ancestors. There may be internal difficulties between the Uniates and the Jews. However, neighboring nations will see to it that internecine bloodshed will be juridicially taboo.
All their neighbors will see to it that they play nice with each other.
Profound ignorance.
I wouldn’t put my money on Victor Orban. He is an extremist who is trying to play the role of a mediator (copying the rhetoric of the racist conman, Donald Trump). Despite its never ending illusion of being part of Europe, Russia has no European friends, not one. It is surrounded by savage hyenas. Hungary condemned the Russian Special Military Operation in Ukraine, and has never recognized Russian sovereignty over the Crimea. Like all NATO members, Hungary is calling on Russia to withdraw from the liberated Russian-speaking regions. Orban’s relation with Moscow is commercial. Without cheap (very cheap) Russian oil and gas, Hungary will be broken into pieces. And when it comes to Palestine, Orban is as savage racist as the dirty war criminal Netanyahoo.
The unbearable pressure on the Democ Rats is on. The elections are around the corner and they have achieved zero. They will be punished at the polls – with or without the zombie in the White House.
You get news from Reuters and expect us to believe it? Get a new handle and start again.
The United States of America has Joe Biden as its POTUS. Israel is the albatross around the neck of the U.S.A bringing about its destruction.
Xi and Putin ( as long as they can avoid WW III ) can sit back and relax as they take BRICS and humanity on a win-win direction.
NATO will fall apart. The E.U. will fall apart. Africa, and South America will escape their colonial owners and masters and also follow BRICS.
XI has Iran and Saudi Arabia at the same table respecting each other.
Europe and the United States might soon be paying $20.00 to $50.00 for a gallon of gasoline.
The scapegoat for the violence, chaos, and poverty will be blamed on Satanyahoo and the Zionist bankers.
True Justice might emerge some time in the future where the west gets to endure the punishments they have rightfully deserve!
Oh happy day.
Aha, some truth.
How NATO Keeps the World Safe” ~ Jake Sullivan By Helena Glass
https://helenaglass.net/2024/07/10/how-nato-keeps-the-world-safe-jake-sullivan/
How NATO Keeps The World Safe” ~ A science fiction novel by Jake Sullivan as spoken at the NATO Summit in New York… “What the summit is really about it’s actually a productive working session — producing deals, helping enhance the defense and deferrence [deterrence] capability of the Alliance; marrying up government, the private sector, industry, military in service of our common defense.”
The US spends $1.2 trillion annually on ‘Defense’, by comparison, Russia spends $75 billion. And their economy is flush while America is experiencing Argentina style inflation! Russia has since reduced its debt… while America increases it by 50% over-budget annually. In the midst of all this rubbish, Saudi Arabia has declared it could sell off Euro Bonds if the EU seizes Russian assets. Bin Salman has also stated that any relationship with Israel, as brokered by Trump, was dead.
NATO created the war between Russia and Ukraine. Doing so at the behest of the rogue Pentagon and CIA for Money. The Bolsheviks have hated Russia since the 18th century with the rise of The House of Rothschild. The same communist Bolsheviks who have since solidified their control over Europe, US, Canada, Australia, and Mexico. Under the guise of ‘democracy’’ positioned within the Authoritarian Monarchy umbrella of the Zionist Cabal.
Why would Transnistria become Ukrainian? They are Russians. The end game will be the whole of the Black Sea coast to Odessa and Transnistria to be Russia again. Don’t concern yourselves with Putin’s offer that only includes Zaporozhye and Kherson. He knew no offer would be taken up. That was an exercise in re-assurance for the Russian populace.
Belarus has no ambition to take western Ukraine, they are not Hungarian as you say but of Polish extraction. The only problem I see is how the Russian energy gets to Hungary because there is no doubt Orban and Putin were discussing this as well. The southern parts of Vinnytsia and Ivano-Frankivsk plus Chernivtsi could be an option, just speculating.
Amen!
A bright new day is dawning.
If to follow Escobar or similar posters, every day is groundbreaking events taking place.
This is good news.
https://www.rt.com/news/600905-orban-trump-peace-mission/
But first Trump has to win. Trump the peace candidate versus Biden the war candidate.
Putin needs to recapture all Novorossiya, and then he need not negotiate with any Western fools. Trump is a clown.
Astonishing numbers:
Americans are debt slaves, and one has to ask how long they will accept being abused this way by the federal government — also how long the USD can hold up, i.e. how long the rest of the world will tolerate the US exploiting the dollar as ‘reserve currency’ to live far above its means.
The way things are going, all the ‘Global South’, BRICS, whatever have to do is wait for the US to implode fiscally and demographically.
Remember the jewish clown actor Zelensky is the degenerate “president” installed by the degenerate neocons in Kiev as dictator.
These bipolar jews are the most disgusting, mentally unstable psychopaths crawling the face of the earth. They install an utter fool as “president” (to make a mockery of Europe and democracy, while simultaneously asserting their Judeofascist primacy) and then expect him to win a war (with their brilliant “chosen” backing, of course). Zelensky is really akin to all of the clown actor presidents the jews have installed in the U.S., probably starting with the Kennedy assasination and LBJ.
We can do the crime and the coverup as we see fit, and all of our zoglodyte minions will bow their little heads like the mind slaves they are, and not utter a peep, they’re basically saying in so many words. And they’re exactly right. The same way, for example, the zoglodytes bow their heads and bite their tongues as the “Homeland security” jew Mayaorakas opens up the American borders and floods the country with illegal aliens knowing the zoglodyte trash populace won’t do or say squat. That’s why Orban made a point of declaring it his “Christian duty” to push for peace in Ukraine — to contrast it with the Zionist duty to push for endless kike wars to attain their vision of world fiat currency centered in Jerusalem, enforced by their Judeofascist fifth columns, which will make the entire world their slaves.
I’m not sure who’s worse, the bipolar kike trash or their cultivated zoglodyte minion “yes” lackeys.
” in real conditions for a peace settlement, the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions will come to Russia along their original administrative borders; Ukraine will be neutral, nuclear-free and non-aligned; all collective West sanctions will be lifted; and Russia’s frozen funds will be returned.” – these things would in every way benefit Europe. No disadvantage or drawback at all to the nations of Europe.
“…Hysteriastan at the sight of the Hungarian Prime Minister’s peace shuttle moving from Ukraine and Russia to China.”
No wonder the Chinese get all hysterical at the sight of the burly Hungarian… after all, he has descended from those notorious Mongols who used to attack and lay waste to the pusillanimous Hanistan aka China… they are only good at attacking peaceful Tibetans.
It is hallucinatory. Hinting at a cognitive defect that may be congenital, or volitional.
August 26, 2023 Fired Ukrainian Prosecutor Says Joe Biden Acted Like Ukraine Was His ‘Own Backyard’
Viktor Shokin was fired by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko in 2016 after Biden — who was in charge of Ukrainian policy during the Obama administration — gave him an ultimatum, saying that Ukraine would not receive $1 billion dollars in aid until Shokin was dismissed.
https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/26/fired-ukrainian-prosecutor-says-joe-biden-acted-like-ukraine-was-his-own-backyard/?pnespid=sqFhFHpMKb0B1.rEoTu7Cp7Wukz0S5orLLOyzuVjtEVm3Fok_F5_dCmofVlh1kkwyOEduJfBhQ
Sep 28, 2019 Biden Blackmail of Ukraine
JOE BIDEN, 23 JANUARY 2018: And that is I’m desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of Kiev in terms of corruption.
Sep 28, 2019 Biden Blackmail of Ukraine
JOE BIDEN, 23 JANUARY 2018: And that is I’m desperately concerned about the backsliding on the part of Kiev in terms of corruption.
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Trump, the jew-lackey, just like Joe “I am a Zionist” Biden, helped get the war started. Trump the greedy fool never met a jew he would turn away, including his own lawyer, who stabbed him in the back, just like most of the jews in his administration, including his son in law ((Kushner)). Trump installed these ((neoocon)) scum up and down his administration. Trump whored his own daughter off to a family of jew criminals. Trump palled around with dead Zionist honeytrap pimp working for the Israeli government Jeffrey Epstein.
So now Donald “Finish the Job” Trump is trying to rewrite history and say of these neocons, their war never should have been started?
I’ll tell you what never should have been started: kike-sucking mutants and blowhards like Trump and Biden, suckling at the tit of Big Zion.
We need to quite papering over Judeofascist corruption, treachery and mass murder, and take the bad seed out at its roots and cast it into the flames, just as Jesus Christ instructed.
https://biblehub.com/bsb/matthew/7.htm#15
No, the dream is not over, Pepe. What you don’t understand is the Mind of the Jew. If you did, you wouldn’t make such egregious blunders. The Jews are psychopathic autistic criminals, and when they get something into their head, they can’t get it out. And what they are hyperfocusing on is not merely “a strategic defeat” of Russia. What they want is the total destruction of Russia. And not only of that: the Jews are actively strategizing on how to destroy all the white peoples of the earth.
The Jews are relentless. Nothing will stop them from getting the US and NATO into a war with Russia — and Iran and China to boot. The Jews have pushed WAR as the number one priority at the NATO table, to keep the dream alive. And now we will get more US “military advisors”. Seen that film before? And it doesn’t matter that the Europeans and Americans don’t want a war: what the Jew wants, the Jew gets. The people be damned. The Jews want to kill these people anyway, so you think it bothers them if they get all upset about having to go to war?
So get inside the Jewish Mind, Pepe, and you’ll realize that it doesn’t matter if things go wrong for the US — the damn Jews want the shit to hit the fan. The Jews will force this war down the collective throat of the West. And it will cause untold death and destruction. Of the goys. Which is exactly what the Jew wants.
Funny though how Orban’s “Christian duty” to seek peace seems to stop at Israel’s ever expanding borders.
The Jews….do not do anything directly. Only concerning the home problems. That means that they have to induce, con, cajole the Goy into killing his own kind. How long can this go on? No infinitely. Eventually the masses will realize and awake from their slumber. In the meantime, Russia and China hold the Trump cards.
As leaders of the Global South-which has a greater population and GDP output than the the G7-is forming a crystalline solid resistance to the old imperialist/colonial powers. China and Russia both have the force de frappe to destroy the West without even using nuclear weapons.
The Western countries are bankrupt. The larder is empty. The Jews are riding them as someone would a horse that is on the verge of collapse due to overuse and abuse. The Jewish machine is starting to falter, and the options toward Russia, China, and the Global South, i.e., BRICS, SCO, et al. are becoming less and less and weaker by the passage of time.
As I have said many times, it is the TREND that deserves the most attention. That is where things are going and will be. Jews will be chased out of Western countries if the truth and relative information is disseminated through the various media.
A major war would require boots on the ground, which would mean a draft. The last draft the US undertook resulted in massive demonstrations that brought down a presidency. And that was a time when men were mostly still men, in decent physical shape, not having been feminized and globo-homoed.
Can younger Millennials and GenZ be whipped into fighting condition? Big question. Will they be willing to fight for Big Jew? I personally doubt it.
What about the existing standing Army? Can Emma and her Two Moms go up against the Bear and Dragon?
I certainly think that Zios would be happy to go to world war yesterday, if they had enough resources. But at this stage of the game I’m not sure it is even possible. Short of nuclear… which might be what they are eventually planning. They are nuts enough for that, for sure.
Peace is just another word for MIC to catch up on the battlefield.
One thing is for certain, you’d have be a die hard, DIE WOKE advocate to believe NATO allies have any future.
There will come a time when paying 90% interest on debt from tax collection is unsustainable.
The end is near.
Indian army raped us:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-66039119
Viktor’s heart is in the right place, but the zionists who control every western country via their communist privately owned central banks , and have the western countries by the balls, the zionists want a nuclear war and they are going to keep pushing until they get one.
The zionist/communist/satanist believe that they will survive a nuclear war in their Dumbs ie deep undergound military bases which they have throughout the ZUS and Israel and ZEurope and ZBritain and that a nuclear war will kill all of we gentiles aka goyim, which the zionist satanists have been trying to kill all along via the covid-19 scam and psyop and the bird flue scam and psyop and the MRNA kill shots that go along with the scam and so things are going fast enough in the killing fields so a nuclear war is coming down the chute.
If anyone doubts that the zionist/communist/satanist would not do a nuclear war , just take a look at what they are doing in their genocide of the Palestinian people, the zionists are born killers and they are proving again in Palestine.
Donald Trump has his base ( Hillary calls them the deplorables ) and there are a lot of U.S. citizens that just despise our governmental corruption and depravity and want it to end and they believe that another Donald Trump presidency will accomplish that with massive chaos.
If Biden refuses to drop out; a Donald Trump win is very likely. The end of the United States of America may be on the horizon!
Ben Shapiro isn’t about white supremacy.
He is opposed to white identity, unity, and pride.
He is about white submission and servitude to Jewish supremacy and Zionist imperialism.
Jews used weak craven whites to support Jewish megalomania and genocide.
The war in Ukraine is being prosecuted because Russia is allied with Syria and Iran, and Russia is interfering with US-Israel’s regime change plans for Syria and Iran.
The US-Israeli goal is to weaken Russia and to keep it weak so that Russia cannot militarily assist its allies in the middle east.
Ethnic Ukrainians are being used as expendable cannon fodder for achieving US-Israeli’s strategic goals in the middle east, but the Ukraine-Russia war is being falsely sold to gullible Americans as a rescue mission for ethnic Ukrainians.
It was Jews and Zionists in the Biden administration that deliberately instigated the Ukraine-Russia war, and in particular Victoria Nuland and Antony Blinken were major instigators.
The Ukraine-Russia war will go on indefinitely until US-Israel goals for regime change in Syria and Iran are achieved.
The American Jew Party absolutely hates Trump because Trump is making noise about ending the Ukraine-Russia war prematurely before US-Israel achieves regime change in Syria and Iran.
The American Jew Party is composed of entitled protected class victim cult bolshevists and of homicidal zio-christian fascists.
Zio-christians replace Jesus with Jews and Israel as their messiah.
Except substantial damage to European economies from the American purposeful destruction of Russian cheap energy pipeline. Now being replaced by economy destructive much higher cost of energy. How this loss can be recovered and who will pay for it?
Possibly, but then they will not be able exploit dead people or feed them-self because of all vegetation will be destroyed. In addition, who will repair their toilets or who will borrow their money to make more money.
Too funny!
This empty headed screed ignores the self-destruction of Israel and Ukraine with the aid of U$A support and the retribution by Hamas and Hezbullah.
The Middle East is lost – after all it is now West Asia to everyone… except the Zio/Globo/Homo BORG.
Palestine will remain as such in West Asia.
Pepe is inside a Jewish mind. He is Jewish!
the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions will come to Russia along their original administrative borders; Ukraine will be neutral, nuclear-free and non-aligned; all collective West sanctions will be lifted; and Russia’s frozen funds will be returned.
This is the real endgame and Putin knows that there is plenty of time on his side to continue to expand a popular BRICS+ and to watch the slow shipwreck of the de-industrialization of the EU and the crash of the unipolar hegemony in a year or three or whenever.
Strategically there is no lose lose scenario for the next world order that is growing well now on its own … its just a question of how long it takes.
Exactly right. Putin should offer the ethnically-Hungarian part of the western ukraine to Hungary, on four conditions;
–Hungary withdraws from NATO and declares a ban on foreign troops or “advisors” on its soil;
— Hungary signs a multi-decade contract to buy Russian oil, natural gas, and metals/minerals at prices favorable to Hungary, to be paid minimum 50% in Rubles and never in dollars, euros, or pounds;
— Hungary repeals any sanctions or tariffs that it has imposed on Russian goods, and ends participation in any EU sanctions
— Hungary gradually enters the customs union with Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan
For Poland or Slovakia or any country that won’t leave NATO, nothing
American politicians make annual pilgrimages to Israel to learn from the Jewish experts how better to impose more israelization onto the US.
The US and UK will never allow Israel to be destroyed because both countries are thoroughly israelized.
Israel has nuclear weapons and has openly threatened to nuke European capitals if Israeli Jews are ever faced with extinction.
Israel doesn’t sound so much like a Jewish suicide squad; it’s more like Jews constantly blaming Europeans for not doing enough to save Jewish supremacist Israel.
Jews are israelizing the US with their entitled victim cult nonsense (e.g. DEI) and their zio-christian nonsense, and all you can muster in your micro-mind is a global homo conspiracy.
Militant queers are a minor faction of the entitled victim cult scheme that Jews have cultivated inside the US and in the world, as is the militant queer terrorist group known as Antifa.
Jews are the preeminent entitled victim cult in this world, and this fact is recognized everywhere the process of israelization is taken seriously.
Every jerkoff who brays about “saving democracy” is a recognizable fan of the israelization process.
The muslim world will never accept Jewish zio-christianity obviously, but it is dumb enough to accept Jewish DEI entitled victim cult crap and democratic mob rule crap as a viable alternative.
Europe might pay those gas prices but not the usa. MUCH more favorable ratio of fossil-fuel resources vis-a-vis population for the usa.
You were making sense till your psychological disorder kicked in at the end. Couldn’t resist going back to babbling about your worship of a dead man, and a “savior” “of virgin birth” just like a good primitive pagan to boot.
”What the Jew wants, the Jew gets”.
It reminds you of the famous quip of Stalin in response to Winston Churchill’s suggestion that the Pope could be associated with some of the decisions taken. ”The Pope, The Pope. How many divisions has he?”
How many divisions the Jews have?
If Orban was serious he would remove Hungry from NATO. Until that happens Orban should be taken with a grain of salt.
You use the empty word “racist” to try and insult anyone you don’t like. I wonder what it is about Trump and Orban that you hate so much, could it be that they don’t want their country’s invaded by your people?
Christianity is one of the main reason white people are in such a mess now. Silly superstition demonstrates how stupid many people are. And stupid people are easy for Jews to control.
Not “Ukrainian”, New Ukraine: an oblast of Russia. Russia will take everything east of Zhytomyr and Vinnytsia, plus the Black Sea coast and Transnistria, as you said. Russia will have a secure border with Hungary and Belarus. Poland can do what Poland does.
Actually Jesus told the parable of the wheat and the tares and said to let them grow up together until the harvest. Then the tares will be thrown on the fire.
“Actually”, Jesus is a myth.
Admission that the ‘White people’ are stupid.
Admission that the ‘White people’ are stupid. But that is evident from their commentaries.
Why is Pepe speculating about a Trump presidency? We are not even to the primary and Trump still has the classified documents case. He could be banned from Federal employment.
The establishment is slowly turning on Biden which makes a Trump win less likely. The NYTIMES asked him to step down.
Polls show that Trump’s best chance is against Biden. Independents hate him and will take practically any Democrat other than Biden.
I was watching Russian TV the other day and they also place their hope in Trump. They want Trump to win and push Ukraine into accepting the current lines.
Seems that they and Pepe forgot how it was Trump that pushed through the Ukraine aid.
Trump and Johnson didn’t even try lowballing the Democrats. They came out with their own modified Ukraine aid package that had payoffs for the US defense industry. It was designed to split the Moscow Marge wing of the party and it worked.
As a reminder it was Trump that sold the Ukrainians the anti-tank weapons that were used to push Russia out of Kiev. Putin strongly opposed the sale and everyone saw why when launched his bloody invasion. That was after he swore it was a “training exercise” even though the CIA had the invasion plans for months. Putin’s bootlickers at Unz told us it was a conspiracy as an upstanding moral man like Putin would never launch an invasion. Scott Ritter actually wrote an article for Russian media where he went on a long rant about how Putin won’t invade.
Pepe is again engaging in wishful thinking. He wants a new world order so badly that he will fantasize about outcomes that require the election of a felon and reality TV star that for most of his life was a corrupt NYC Democrat. Good luck with that.
Exactly right. Putin should offer the ethnically-Hungarian part of the western ukraine to Hungary, on four conditions;
Hungary repeals any sanctions or tariffs that it has imposed on Russian goods, and ends participation in any EU sanctions
LOL total fantasy. Putin hasn’t been able to get close to Kharkiv which is only one hour from the Russian border.
So you are hoping they not only take all of Ukraine but give a chunk to Hungary? Putin broke his promise to make DPR/LPR independent but you think he would share his “conquests” with Hungary?
And what do you think the EU would do in response?
Have a look at Hungary’s imports by country
https://tradingeconomics.com/hungary/imports-by-country
Hungary doesn’t have oil and gas that they can survive on. Sanctions by Germany, Austria and Poland would cripple them. This is not 1930. The central European countries are far more dependent on the West than they were in the past. Hungary would wake up with tech/medicine sanctions and Orban would look like a total boob who acted on his man crush for Putin and not in the best interest of his people.
Got any proof of that ? He doesn’t exactly look Jewish to me. I’ve met many South Americans – his eyes and mouth in particular are spot-on.
It’s depressing. I wade through a shitload of garbage one-liners on this site – but they just keep on getting dumber by the day.
One of the Deep State shooters that failed to assassinate President Trump today, Democrat and paid Antifa actor Mark Violets, looks amazingly like a younger Jonathan Pollard.
Biden said twice this week “It’s time to put Trump in the bullseye”.
Alex Jones said a few minutes ago, the Deep State will now attempt to poison Trump and that any crazy false flag could now happen us.
My money is on ‘crazy false flag’. The psychopaths who run the West for the Jewintern are getting desperate.The LUNATIC Tisdall, in the Guardian sewer, today repeats an increasing common refrain of Imperial nut-cases-Russia must be defeated, AND Putin and his generals stand trial. Does the mad-an even recognise that is a recipe for full-scale war between NATO and Russia, or does he simply not care?
Russia CANNOT leave any part of The Ukraine under NATO/Banderite rule, because those demons will simply heavily militarise rump Banderastan, fill it with NATO goons and first-strike weapons, and subvert and sabotage Russia, inviting retaliation. NO ‘agreement’ made with NATO or the Banderites is worth a bucket of warm spit.
‘…communist central banks..’??!! How low can they go?
What, exactly, is the threat China poses to the USA?
The threat of an Alternative.
The Empire is jealous.
Dmitry Orlov is 100% correct, and it’s already beginning to happen while many westerners are in denial as they sink into poverty/social chaos.
tg. link with American NATO guy Daalder (?) urging more bloodshed in Ukr (vdo) while USians insist that the Jews make them do it.
https://t.me/IntelRepublic/39501
Trump almost started a war with Iran. Firmly entrenched US forces in Syria “to secure the oil” – and wanted to hit Venezuela. He also almost caused a war with China. So I don’t see how he is anti war. I mean he look at his appointments in his first term. One of those psychos (the guy with the grey mustache) wanted war with North Korea.
But why is there being an alternative a threat?
LOL, I don’t know if this is an honest question, or are you just trolling me.
Trump did less warfare than other US presidents. Mind you, Biden got out of Afghanistan, something Trump didn’t do, so deserves some credit for that, despite the bad optics.
There were warmongers around Trump so he did some moves, like bombing of Syria, but prearranged with Russians to cause no/little loss of life, and used it to “impress” Xi, although Xi didn’t appear to be amused.
I am not even sure if he himself ordered the Soleimani assassination. It could well be that it was done behind his back and he had to take responsibility for it after the event. Soleimani was going to Baghdad on a diplomatic mission that US knew about and I doubt Trump would have approved this. What is it that Soleimani had done to anger Trump so much?
Soleimani is one of the main reasons ISIS didn’t take over Iraq and Syria. He was the architect of the anti ISIS offensives in both. A certain “ally” of the US wanted him dead. He also advised the Shia militias in Iraq to fight back against the US also.
Ukraine will maintain its territorial integrity and sovereignty, including the Crimea and the Donbas regions. Russia will withdraw all its forces from Ukrainian territory. Ukraine will pursue a policy of neutrality but will have the right to self-defense. All Russian sanctions will remain in place until Russia fully complies with international law. Russia will be held accountable for war crimes and reparations will be paid. Additionally, Ukraine will have the inalienable right to join any military alliance, including NATO, to ensure its security and sovereignty.