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View of the starry sky above the ancient city of Jiaohe in Turpan, northwest China’s Xinjiang Uigur Autonomous Region, 22 July 2015. Photo: AFP/Imaginechina
View of the starry sky above the ancient city of Jiaohe in Turpan, northwest China’s Xinjiang Uigur Autonomous Region, 22 July 2015. Photo: AFP/Imaginechina

The late Dr. Zbig “Grand Chessboard” Brzezinski for some time dispensed wisdom as an oracle of US foreign policy, side by side with the perennial Henry Kissinger – who, in vast swathes of the Global South, is regarded as nothing but a war criminal.

Brzezinski never achieved the same notoriety. At best he claimed bragging rights for giving the USSR its own Vietnam in Afghanistan – by facilitating the internationalization of Jihad Inc., with all its dire, subsequent consequences.

Over the years, it was always amusing to follow the heights Dr. Zbig would reach with his Russophobia. But then, slowly but surely, he was forced to revise his great expectations. And finally he must have been truly horrified that his perennial Mackinder-style geopolitical fears came to pass – beyond the wildest nightmares.

Not only Washington had prevented the emergence of a “peer competitor” in Eurasia, but the competitor is now configured as a strategic partnership between Russia and China.

Dr. Zbig was not exactly versed in Chinese matters. His misreading of China may be found in his classic A Geostrategy for Eurasia published in – where else – Foreign Affairs in 1997:

Although China is emerging as a regionally dominant power, it is not likely to become a global one for a long time. The conventional wisdom that China will be the next global power is breeding paranoia outside China while fostering megalomania in China. It is far from certain that China’s explosive growth rates can be maintained for the next two decades. In fact, continued long-term growth at the current rates would require an unusually felicitous mix of national leadership, political tranquility, social discipline, high savings, massive inflows of foreign investment, and regional stability. A prolonged combination of all of these factors is unlikely.

Dr. Zbig added,

Even if China avoids serious political disruptions and sustains its economic growth for a quarter of a century — both rather big ifs — China would still be a relatively poor country. A tripling of GDP would leave China below most nations in per capita income, and a significant portion of its people would remain poor. Its standing in access to telephones, cars, computers, let alone consumer goods, would be very low.

Oh dear. Not only Beijing hit all the targets Dr. Zbig proclaimed were off limits, but the central government also eliminated poverty by the end of 2020.

The Little Helmsman Deng Xiaoping once observed, “at present, we are still a relatively poor nation. It is impossible for us to undertake many international proletarian obligations, so our contributions remain small. However, once we have accomplished the four modernizations and the national economy has expanded, our contributions to mankind, and especially to the Third World, will be greater. As a socialist country, China will always belong to the Third World and shall never seek hegemony.”

What Deng described then as the Third World – a Cold War-era derogatory terminology – is now the Global South. And the Global South is essentially the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) on steroids, as in the Spirit of Bandung in 1955 remixed to the Eurasian Century.

Cold Warrior Dr. Zbig was obviously not a Daoist monk – so he could never abandon the self to enter the Dao, the most secret of all mysteries.

Had he been alive to witness the dawn of the Year of the Metal Ox, he might have noticed how China, expanding on Deng’s insights, is de facto applying practical lessons derived from Daoist correlative cosmology: life as a system of interacting opposites, engaging with each other in constant change and evolution, moving in cycles and feedback loops, always mathematically hard to predict with exactitude.

A practical example of simultaneously opening and closing is the dialectical approach of Beijing’s new “dual circulation” development strategy. It’s quite dynamic, relying on checks and balances between increase of domestic consumption and external trade/investments (the New Silk Roads).

Peace is Forever War

Now let’s move to another oracle, a self-described expert of what in the Beltway is known as the “Greater Middle East”: Robert Kagan, co-founder of PNAC, certified warmongering neo-con, and one-half of the famous Kaganate of Nulands – as the joke went across Eurasia – side by side with his wife, notorious Maidan cookie distributor Victoria “F**k the EU” Nuland, who’s about to re-enter government as part of the Biden-Harris administration.

Kagan is back pontificating in – where else – Foreign Affairs, which published his latest superpower manifesto. That’s where we find this absolute pearl:

That Americans refer to the relatively low-cost military involvements in Afghanistan and Iraq as “forever wars” is just the latest example of their intolerance for the messy and unending business of preserving a general peace and acting to forestall threats. In both cases, Americans had one foot out the door the moment they entered, which hampered their ability to gain control of difficult situations.

So let’s get this straight. The multi-trillion dollar Forever Wars are “relatively low-cost”; tell that to the multitudes suffering the Via Crucis of US crumbling infrastructure and appalling standards in health and education. If you don’t support the Forever Wars – absolutely necessary to preserve the “liberal world order” – you are “intolerant”.

“Preserving a general peace” does not even qualify as a joke, coming from someone absolutely clueless about realities on the ground. As for what the Beltway defines as “vibrant civil society” in Afghanistan, that in reality revolves around millennia-old tribal custom codes: it has nothing to do with some neocon/woke crossover. Moreover, Afghanistan’s GDP – after so much American “help” – remains even lower than Saudi-bombed Yemen’s.

Exceptionalistan will not leave Afghanistan. A deadline of May 1st was negotiated in Doha last year for the US/NATO to remove all troops. That’s not gonna happen.

ORDER IT NOW

The spin is already turbocharged: the Deep State handlers of Joe “Crash Test Dummy” Biden will not respect the deadline. Everyone familiar with the New Great Game on steroids across Eurasia knows why: a strategic lily pad must be maintained at the intersection of Central and South Asia to help closely monitor – what else – Brzezinski’s worst nightmare: the Russia-China strategic partnership.

As it stands we have 2,500 Pentagon + 7,000 NATO troops + a whole lot of “contractors” in Afghanistan. The spin is that they can’t leave because the Taliban – which de facto control from 52% to as much as 70% of the whole tribal territory – will take over.

To see, in detail, how this whole sorry saga started, non-oracle skeptics could do worse than check Volume 3 of my Asia Times archives: Forever Wars: Afghanistan-Iraq, part 1 (2001-2004) . Part 2 will be out soon. Here they will find how the multi-trillion dollar Forever Wars – so essential to “preserve the peace” – actually developed on the ground, in total contrast to the official imperial narrative influenced, and defended, by Kagan.

With oracles like these, the US definitely does not need enemies.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. jsinton says:

    But Pepe, don’t you realize that:

    War is Peace?
    Freedom is Slavery?
    Ignorance is Strength?
    White is Racist?
    Elections are for Fixing?
    Christ is Evil?
    Hetero is Hedonistic?

    Orwell was an owner’s manual.

    • Agree: vox4non
  2. Sirius says:

    The multi-trillion dollar Forever Wars are “relatively low-cost”; tell that to the multitudes suffering the Via Crucis of US crumbling infrastructure and appalling standards in health and education

    Spot on. It’s amazing that anyone gives voice to Kagan’s lack of credibility whatsoever. That Foreign Affairs does says more about its own unreliability as a source of valuable opinion. But apparently the “Forever Wars” depiction is bothering the neo-con Zionists, so we can expect a lot more propaganda from them or worse, false flag attacks to revive their awful agenda.

  3. Notsofast says:

    the worst mistake jimmy carter ever made was to hire brzezinski, father of the mujahideen and grandfather of al-qaeda. we used to brag about arming terrorists with weapons to shoot down russian helicopters, hell they even made a “comedy” about it called charlie wilsons war. now we accuse the russians of placing bounties on americans in afganistan and demand more sanctions be placed on russia. utter hypocrisy. as for the maidan cookie monster and her neocon half wit husband, further proof of failing upward, nothing succeeds like failure in washington.

    • Agree: follyofwar
  4. Ours are certainly not Delphic Oracles… We would be wise to heed the three headline maxims posted at that temple:

    Know thyself
    Nothing in excess
    Surety brings ruin

    • Agree: Montefrío
  5. Wonderful Article, Mr. Escobar! Your ‘way-with-words’ (along with remarkable, historical allusions/references) display your exceptional ability to report hard-truths in such a vibrant fashion.
    And great comments here as well! Thanks to All! (This is a Great Site!)

    • Agree: showmethereal
  6. Its probably time middle America created a government in exile, and started talking to the Russians and Chinese. Edward Snowden is its first envoy.

    The regime on the Potomac only exists today because of the greenback. State governments need to plan now for a post-Washington future.

  7. Spanky says:
    @Sirius

    That Foreign Affairs does says more about its own unreliability as a source of valuable opinion. — Sirius

    As the unofficial voice of U.S. foreign policy, Foreign Affairs turns up in some interesting places. And, after maintaining a subscription for many years, I would argue that it provides a fairly reliable chart of where the U.S. elite plan to steer the American ship of state.

    That’s not to say it’s a voyage I wish to take, but one for which I, as well as all other relatively apolitical Americans, am impressed into service.

    Since Foreign Affairs is considered the unofficial voice of U.S. foreign policy its publisher, the Council on Foreign Relations, might be worth studying…

    Does it tempt to say that the Council was founded with JD Rockefeller and JP Morgan money? Or that David Rockefeller, considered the most powerful man in America during his time, was its chairman and committed to one world government?

    the worst mistake jimmy carter ever made was to hire brzezinski — Notsofast

    Carter’s outsider Presidential candidacy was promoted by the Atlanta CFR (much the same as Obama by the Chicago CFR), and he dutifully appointed CFR member Brzezinski as his National Security Advisor… to replace CFR member Kissinger.

    More than four decades of working together, Joe Biden … and Henry Kissinger have promoted the Council on Foreign Relations quest for a New World Order through global cooperation, ending borders of trade and immigration, and continuing America’s military role: ready to intervene anywhere in the world if necessary. — Fred Donaldson

    https://freddonaldson.com/2020/12/08/biden-picks-kissingers-policy-stalwarts-to-direct-u-s-foreign-policy-another-vietnam/

    Everyone keeps talking about the elites who rule over us — do you want to know who they are?

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Sirius
    , @Majority of One
  8. joe2.5 says:

    Justice in statecraft died with the Ottoman constitutional reforms of 1876.
    Until then, Vizirs, especially Grand Vizirs, whose advice led to catastrophe, or even just negative outcomes, were beheaded and the heads exposed at the door of the royal palace.
    We’d have been rid of Kagan Pasha and Co. for 20 years now.

  9. Cowboy says:

    China… is de facto applying practical lessons derived from Daoist correlative cosmology: life as a system of interacting opposites, engaging with each other in constant change and evolution, moving in cycles and feedback loops, always mathematically hard to predict with exactitude.

    Sounds like some Hegalian shit Peepee

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Most Americans consider Kissinger a war criminal too, and informed Americans know that Zbignue Brzenski has lost all credibility. He was a cold war era Anti-Russian. He has said little if anything relevant since the collapse of the USSR.

    Informed Americans would prefer a doplomatic relationship with their neighbors south of the border. It would be much more economically and environmentally sustainable to have a cooperative agreement with Venezuela, rather than the KXL advocates north of the border, that Biden thankfully banned. It may be the only thing tbat he ends up doing correctly. I hope not. I did not vote for him, Trump, or anyone else. Biden, Blinken, and Austin speak about wanting to go back to the JCPOA and START, but whether they are willing to give up their policy errors of force through sanctions, and falsely blaming Iran for the attack on the Irbil Iraq airport will probably determine whether they can do this successfully or not. Everyone is sick of the bullshit from the American government, including American citizens! The government does what they Globzi investors demand from them. They really do not give a damn about anyone else. Everyone is just a means to an end to them, and unkess someone is exceptionally wealthy, they are an irrelevant pain in the ass to the government, unless they are willing to sell out their own interest in order to elevate the corrupt government.

    Andrea Iravani

    • Replies: @Ray Caruso
    , @showmethereal
  11. Sirius says:
    @Spanky

    That’s true. As a barometer of establishment thinking, Foreign Affairs is indeed useful. I would just make a distinction of using it to understand establishment thinking versus using it as a source for good policy, which is evidently questionable if its editors still think Robert Kagan has anything useful to propose.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  12. @beavertales

    “Greenback”. Money issued by the government, on the public account, used as fiat for domestic trade. This is opposed to the US Dollar, issued by the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank, lent at interest to the State, on public account, used for the purposes of usurping public property all over the world, and empoverishing the taxpayer.
    Therefor, sir/ma’m, the kakastocracy ensconsed around the Ptomac are there, not by the grace of the Greenback (honest money) but by the power of the Federal Reserve and its PRIVATE shareholders.
    That little discernment is the first step on the road to political awareness. All perceived evils and “unforseen mistakes” of nearly every government on earth, flows from that system of issuance of public debt, which is why They attacked Hitler, Musolini and Hirohito, lately Iran, Iraq, Libia, Syria… they all issued or discussed issuing “Greenbacks”.
    Kennedy was killed because he tried to revert to Greenbacks, Lincoln was killed because he issued Greenbacks, and …and this I find rather un-humorous… The Fed bankers killed, poisoned, shot and/or harassed every one of the anti-Fed presidents immortalised on American bank notes. Treasury notes ($1000 – 100 000) carries the faces of those who helped install the satanic slave system of the Federal Reserve.
    The exception is the chappie (not president) who actually gets credit for starting the actual bank. I forget his name, you will find him on the “perfect” number banknote: the TEN dollar note. Another exception is, of course, Kennedy; for him, they suddenly stopped putting new faces on bills.
    I actually pieced this information together by accident one day, trying to research something else, just for a joke. Turns out the joke’s on us!
    https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/32-paranoid-goy/economics/155-dollar-pictures

    • Thanks: beavertales, Ugetit
    • Replies: @Ukraine Tiger
  13. Anonymous[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Cowboy

    China… is de facto applying practical lessons derived from Daoist correlative cosmology: life as a system of interacting opposites, engaging with each other in constant change and evolution, moving in cycles and feedback loops, always mathematically hard to predict with exactitude.

    Sounds like some Hegalian shit Peepee

    OK, so let me translate into idiomatic English:

    People and groups have different interests. A government that enforces only one of those people/group interests is totalitarian, an active enemy to the people/group interests it does not enforce.

    A government that enforces several or most people/group interests has to enforce very little, has a society that runs itself, and finds that it understands almost nothing about the people it rules, and has no idea of what will happen next. However, at least this government is not the active enemy most of the groups it rules.

    The People’s Republic of China is trying to both run the family man model and monitor the population with computer/sensors/money tracking/media monitoring. If successful, such a project would give it the flexibility of a totalitarian government and the stability of a family man government. The “Great Reset” appears to plan a similar attempt.

    Or:

    Governments can play badass, or they can play family man. Family man generates better feelings, but works only if its population thinks of itself as a peaceful family.

    China and the Great Reset are going try for badass family man. It’s not a new idea – showed up in fiction with Blish’s “Cities in Flight” series back in the 1950s, and is recognizable in Whytes “The organization Man”

    Obviously, the USG is just switching from playing family man to playing badass, slugging the wife, and terrorizing the kids. See Caldwell, “The Age of Enlightenment”, or for that matter the contemporary (2020-02) American mass media.

  14. Spanky says:
    @Sirius

    Kagan’s thinking is apparently establishment thinking, or at least a faction of the establishment. Good policy for the establishment is not necessarily good policy for everyone else — it’s a matter of perspective.

    The problem is the CFR — people like Kagan — has control of policy, no matter who is elected to Congress or the Presidency. That’s the purpose of the two privately owned political parties, to ensure their control over policy.

    • Agree: Sirius
  15. Rayofhope says:
    @Sirius

    Think Tanks like “Foreign Affairs” and Neocons get their Oxygen and Food from Military Industrial Complex, hence Forever Wars and to get the biggest pie of the “Borrowed Budget”. It will continue as long it does until the Dollar and Economy crash land. MSM is part of this Plan.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Sirius
  16. Cold Warrior Dr. Zbig was obviously not a Daoist monk – so he could never abandon the self to enter the Dao, the most secret of all mysteries.

    That’s the phonetic spelling of Tao and Taoist.

    • Thanks: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Montefrío
    , @xyzxy
  17. Russians wanted to rule the world………Tool…….Ideology……..Failure.
    Americans wanted to rule the world……Tool…….Military………Failure.
    China wants to rule the world ……………Tool……Economy……..Success

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  18. @beavertales

    It concerns me that segments of the “regime on the Potomac” are two steps ahead of us.

    The stampede to Florida grows increasingly suspicious:

    Bloomberg pumped a billion in the Dem vote in FL. Reasonable to think he knew it would fail and that the purpose was something else — pre-staging. New York City has taken over FL east coast from Vero Beach south.

    Yesterday it was reported that Israel’s military has been made part of US Central Command, which is headquartered in Tampa. Israeli military on FL’s Central-South Gulf Coast.
    Central Command runs operations in Middle East. Israel will have a say in US military activities in ME — shades of Great Britain giving Poland the power to determine if-when Britain will enter war.

    Is the plan for the “regime” to split USA like Ottoman Empire was divided and for the “regime” to control it from multiple locations?

    Don’t forget: FL’s lauded Gov. DeSantis convened Florida’s lCabinet in TelAviv

    Florida Cabinet meets in Israel despite illegality complaint
    By BRENDAN FARRINGTON
    May 29, 2019
    https://apnews.com/article/7ad57c4db0104caba15453d88ae59c41

    A historic Cabinet meeting for Gov. DeSantis and a warning to those who go against Israel
    The governor also signed a bill prohibiting anti-Semitism in schools**
    Jeffrey Schweers
    Tallahassee Democrat
    May 29 2019
    https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2019/05/29/desantis-israel-cabinet-meeting-florida-anti-semitism-jewish/1277849001/

    Where does Desantis stand on running Critical Race sessions in FL companies and schools?

    • Thanks: Spanky
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  19. “Preserving a general peace” does not even qualify as a joke, coming from someone absolutely clueless about realities on the ground.

    It would make no difference if Kagan were fully informed about realities on the ground. He, and his ilk, don’t give a flying f*ck. They have their agenda and stick to it. All the rest is window dressing.

  20. Why has Kagan not been appointed to a senior position in the Biden ‘Administration’? Is this yet another ‘antisemitic’ outrage?

  21. @Anonymous

    The Chinese endlessly survey public opinion, and govern according to the people’s wishes. In the ‘Free World’ the rich tell their political stooges what policy will be, and the people are kept brainwashed by the massive indoctrination apparatus (owned by the oligarchs) and divided against one another by party politics, Identity politics and numerous other age old techniques.

  22. @SolontoCroesus

    But Florida will shortly be under water. What do the Zionazis and their Sabbat Goy stooges propose in that eventuality? Atlantis? Parting of the waters? Bio-engineering for gills?

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  23. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    So — are the wagers on the table: Which will disappear first, NY City or FL? or California?

    Where is the insurance money concentrated?

    Alex Karp is a cautious Frankfurter: he moved Palantir from Silicon Valley to Colorado.

  24. How dare you say bad things about the brilliant father of the brilliant Mika Brzezinski.

  25. utu says:

    Brzezinski was very successful if him taking credit for drawing in the USSR into Afghanistan is justified. and based in facts Certainly the Soviet war in Afghanistan contributed to the collapse of the USSR which was a good thing for many nations that were involuntarily enslaved in the Soviet sphere of influence. Some countries that were absorbed into the USSR as the results of the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact like Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Bessarabia (Moldova) regained their freedom. And then now we have Ukraine and other post-Soviet republics that became sovereign states. That some of them like Ukraine are hostile to Russia geopolitically might also be a good thing from the point of view of the West. I would give America and Brzezinski credit for improving lives of over 100 million people who were enslaved by the USSR.

    https://dgibbs.faculty.arizona.edu/brzezinski_interview
    Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into the war and looked for a way to provoke it?

    Brzezinski: It wasn’t quite like that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

    Q : When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against secret US involvement in Afghanistan , nobody believed them . However, there was an element of truth in this. You don’t regret any of this today?

    Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter, essentially: “We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war.”

  26. @Spanky

    Another prize posting, Spanky. I recall attempting to digest FAQ as a high school senior back in 61-62. It struck me then and echoes in the back corners of my mind today as the most consistently turgid exercise in intellectual masturbation in a lifetime of meta-political observation.

    Nevertheless, with the CFR’s connexion with the worst the Brits have to offer, oozing forth from Chatham House and the Havistock Institute; we can understand that pairing of Atlanticist poo-bahs as the keystone of the bank$ter sponsored control nexus. Keep an eye on those prime minions of the Rottenfeller and Rottenchild Crime Clans. Of Jewish extraction and thereby acceptable to the Lords of City of London; Heinrich Kissinger is the chief minion of the Rottenfellers and has long been their emissary and go-between. Zbiggy was also a blade-runner for the fortunately late David of the Barons of the “Federal Reserve Bank of NYC and thus of Wall $treet.

    Representing the Bigger Brothers across the pond is none other then Little Georgie of our $orrow$, the current chief of staff, made-man, currently managing color revolutions, most lately working here in the U$ as conceptualizer and prime funder for BLM and probably also tied into Antifa.

    Wee Willie Pretzeldick (according to Roger Stone’s informants from a bedroom in Little Rock), much better known for his adventure in ministration by a Rabbi’s daughter who did not swallow but spattered his offering on her blue dress; happened to be one of those bright Southern boys exuding charm and confidence. He was recruited to become a Rhodes Scholar. Big jump. The Cecil Rhodes trust was bequeathed to his Rottenchild backers and is helpful in developing new Compradores to manage the colonies.

    Kissinger brokered the deal with Chou En Lai, setting up the Rottenfeller sponsored Tricky Dick to have his little confab with Mao and set in the groundwork for exiling most industrial production from the U$ to “The East is Red” China.

    Thanks again, Spanky. Our gang here posting away our hours at Unz are reinforcing each other’s understandings of the meta-political mechanisms of geopolitical reality. This crucible of posters keeps getting more and more international in personna and in comprehensive coverage of how their slick little system works. We have yet to ferret out all the details, but the overview that gets presented here at UR is easily the equivalent of the education achievable at the best post-graduate institutions on the planet. “Professors” such as Pepe Escobar propel topicality as Ron Unz directs and produces this remarkable ensemble of savants, autodidacts and freedom-seeking rebels.

    • Thanks: Spanky
    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    , @Ugetit
  27. @Buzz Mohawk

    Like the ‘health expert’ who declared that vaccination must reach 80% or so of the populace so that we can reach ‘herd mentality’.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  28. @utu

    And the Afghans have suffered forty plus years of unending Hell, and Wahhabist jihadism has afflicted the world and killed millions. I do hope Zbig is burning in Hell.

  29. vox4non says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    No wonder the world is in such a mess with these soulless human simulacrum.

  30. @Buzz Mohawk

    Be nice to Mika!
    She has all those antagonistic hormones swirling through her bloodstream.
    Look at that head. Such freakishness. In another decade it will look exactly like her father’s minus all the hair product.

  31. Surely all it would take is a man with principles and the balls to take office in the WH? Would Josh Hawley be that man, he impresses me with his intellect and oratory gift. Such a man would need protection, for sure, but such a man would surely remove these arsewipes, establish honest and genuine ties with the rest of the world.
    Ah, I was dreaming. Snap out of it idiot.

  32. @paranoid goy

    There was actually a cycle between usury and debt free several times during the 19th century but the private banks won out in 1913. One year later WWI and it hasn’t stopped.

    • Agree: Alfred Muscaria
  33. @utu

    “I would give America and Brzezinski credit for improving lives of over 100 million people who were enslaved by the USSR.”

    Not many of us in Ukraine agree with this delusional statement. A re-unification with Russia would be by far the best outcome for us.

    • Replies: @utu
  34. @No Friend Of The Devil

    Do you know many Americans? Most Americans don’t know who Kissinger is. There are few Americans who have a well-informed but critical view of the US. Most who do have a critical view are utterly ignorant and irrational and base that view on imaginary problem, such as “global warming” and “police brutality” toward black criminals.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  35. @restless94110

    “Tao” and “taoist” are from the now abandoned Wade-Giles system of transliteration, the one I learned and still use. “Dao” is from the Pinyin system of transliteration, the now officially accepted system. It uses diacritical marks to identify tones, but western keyboards seldom include this feature. Pinyin is an improvement, we older users must confess.

    • Thanks: restless94110
  36. GMC says:
    @utu

    Somehow, those people of East Europe etc. need to understand that most of the Soviet Union was not a 100% Russian run, but the same crime syndicate that now runs the USA and EU. In fact , Putin’ s Russian Federation is the first real Russian run country in over 100 years. Of course, its hard to see when propaganda is being run 24/7 and the politicians are stuffing thousands of US Dollars or EU Euros in their pocket , in order to keep the history – Holocausted. And possibly, the same could be said about China. Spacibo

    • Agree: HdC
    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @utu
  37. xyzxy says:
    @restless94110

    Attempting a phonetic spelling of a tonal language written in logogram is always going to be hit or miss. Often more miss than hit.

    • Agree: restless94110
  38. Abbybwood says:
    @utu

    Then the US got into the same trap in Afghanistan going on twenty years costing trillions of dollars.

  39. @Majority of One

    Thanks, Moo, and Spanky.. But knowing is one thing. Now that you know, whaddya gonna actually do about it? Given no one gets specific in terms of action against (((who))) runs and owns and rules the entire enterprise to the point of jailing as antisemitic any who object, knowing is as useful as a VEEP once said about being VEEP, “a bucket of warm spit”. Good to know, to little effect. We all love and revere Ron Unz for risking his hide in creating this, but face it, UNZ is a collection of a few dozen or hundreds of critters so insignificant as to not even be worth canceling. Ron has written with wonder about their seeming indifference to Unz. We trade hamburgers, our ideas that is, to each other, ideas no one outside our little support group will ever taste. It has value only to ourselves. And when the wrong someone notices, it will go the way of Second City Cop to name only one because here, we notice. Can’t allow that forever.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Spanky
  40. Ugetit says:
    @GMC

    Somehow, those people of East Europe etc. need to understand that most of the Soviet Union was not a 100% Russian run, but the same crime syndicate that now runs the USA and EU.

    You nailed it.

    • Thanks: GMC
  41. Anonymous[347] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    In the ‘Free World’ the rich tell their political stooges what policy will be, and the people are kept brainwashed by the massive indoctrination apparatus (owned by the oligarchs) and divided against one another by party politics, Identity politics and numerous other age old techniques.

    I’ve always been a bit skeptical of all powerful groups. IMHO, such capabilities are beyond groups composed of humans. Consider this recent farce:

    The rich don’t have it all their own way, although they certainly do try for that. From 1932-1945, the entire world figuratively “ate the rich”. See: Walter Scheidel, The Great Leveler: Violence and the History of Inequality from the Stone Age to the Twenty-First Century, Princeton economic history of the Western World series. Scheidel shows that when societies war they seize assets of the rich. That is apparently the only social phenomenon that does seize the assets of the rich.
    So, we got a brand new upper class of rich between 1323 and 1945; so did any of the participants in WW II.

    The new upper class seems to have a serious interest in not being eaten alive, as their predecessors were. Caldwell’s “The Age of Enlightenment” suggests that the civil rights laws of the West have dominated everything else, including post-WW II societies. Rich people are now considered a protected class in the West, a status bought by financing various civil rights derivatives such as BLM and the Gay-Trans organizations. One could say that the rich (actually, the American Establishment, not just the rich) planned this from the start, and maybe they did. Disorganizing (and simplifying) the rest of US society has certainly increased concentration of asset ownership.

    But they weren’t the only ones. Until about 1970, blue collar workers were already treated as a protected class. Blue collar unions in the major manufacturing corporations emphasized job protection and income for retirees. A blue collar worker in auto production in, say, 1950, would have a lifetime earning above that of the average 4 year college graduate. Paying that income out, plus a few other things such as loss of incentive to be productive among all levels of the corporations, destroyed the major US corporations’ ability to recapitalize as manufacturing methods and materials changed.

    This, in turn, meant that business survival lay in employing foreigners rather than American blue collars, since the foreigners weren’t protected by US labor laws. Mid-term, until about 2016, the blue collars lost, the rich won.

    Much of the 1960s propaganda called welfare a “safety net”, although it was more of a spider’s web even back that far. During the entire interval, right up to today, few or no individual people are willing to say that there should be no “safety net” at all. In the Western popular mind, everybody deserves an income and respect and children if they want them. Note that the American blue collars have lost this, and nobody is saying that not everybody deserves an income and respect and children if they want them. Instead, they either regard the present situation as an anomaly to be solved by yet more government funding, or (as even National Review has done) say that only about American blue collar “deplorables”. The “deplorable” talk is from the new badass American government mentioned earlier.

    Once everyone (including “deplorables”) says that everybody (save those with “bias”) gets a guaranteed place in society (and guaranteed respect for that place), you get the current society. It took about 75 years since WW II to get to the current society, 53 years since the 1964 CRA, but we’re finally in an “enforceable guaranteed respect” society. Everybody would be safe, if only contemporary Western society weren’t obviously unable to support itself. Bingo, we’re now on the brink of Scheidel’s Great Leveler, the rich lose once again, and so do we all.

    The US government might drop back from “badass” to “family man plus Chinese population monitoring” if it gets that chance.

    That’s if it gets any chance. The West has burned almost through its capital, physical and social. It is trying to do the physically impossible, indefinitely support a population by borrowing, just as the USSR did after about 1980.

    It would be a joke if we weren’t living it.

    Government is all powerful? Consider the story of King Canute (
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnut_the_Great) wished to demonstrate unmistakably how limited his powers really were, brought his court to the low tide mark on a beach, put his traveling throne there, and then commanded the tide not to come in (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Canute_and_the_tide). Presumably he had to listen to less bad advice afterwards.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  42. @Anonymous

    I prefer Hegalian shit PEEPEE
    Thank you Cowboy

  43. Ugetit says:
    @Jim Christian

    Now that you know, whaddya gonna actually do about it?

    Reread his last paragraph.

    I suspect most gardeners understand what he’s referring to. Besides, there can be satisfaction, if not outright joy, at engaging in a worthwhile struggle, no?

    • Agree: Spanky, Jim Christian
    • Replies: @Majority of One
  44. Ugetit says:
    @Majority of One

    We have yet to ferret out all the details, but the overview that gets presented here at UR is easily the equivalent of the education achievable at the best post-graduate institutions on the planet.

    In fact, I suspect it easily and extensively surpasses the brainwashing one gets in such homogenizing monstrosities.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  45. MLK says:

    As my comments, like a broken record attest, the alone speaks to the cardinal failure of the American foreign policy establishment:

    Not only Washington had prevented the emergence of a “peer competitor” in Eurasia, but the competitor is now configured as a strategic partnership between Russia and China.

    A great power is in trouble when reasonably intelligent middle schoolers given a cursory overview will accurately identify the problem.

    As I’ve explained before, it’s a sad story. Even Escobar doesn’t have the heart to mention the now memory-holed “Unipolar Moment” thingie.

    Kagan is merely one among many in Washington, desperate because of his participation — There at the bed-shitting, such as it was, to distract until the end of his life from the most embarrassing quarter century of geopolitical execution in historical memory.

    Anyone reading this, ask yourself whether you could have so f**ked up USG post-Cold War execution even if you were trying to do so?

    As for the endless wars, let’s exercise some common sense. If the continuing American presence in Afghanistan were, under the totality of the geopolitical horse-trading circumstances, in the interest of China, Russia, and Iran (and more), then they would have long ago made it untenable.

    Few here appreciated Trump, including this column’s author. He spent four years talking out of school, with few willing to listen by reading between the glaringly obvious lines. One of my favorites was the following, which he repeated often to reporters who just as often refused to ask any of the obvious followup questions:

    ‘I just don’t want to kill 10 million people’: Trump’s comments reverberate in Afghanistan

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/i-just-dont-want-to-kill-10-million-people-trumps-comments-reverberate-in-afghanistan/2019/07/23/88e8d15e-ad0c-11e9-b071-94a3f4d59021_story.html

    Trump was providing a rare window into the “options” he was offered behind the curtain by his advisors. Indeed, unless I miss my mark, he was specifically alluding to Mattis. Trump kept firing these shots across his bow until he ran away like a little girl to plan his coup.

    For any of you that wondered why the whole lot of them, foreign and domestic, needed to get rid of this real POTUS, consider this example, which is one of many. Trump was letting us all know that this is what passes for advice and options in Washington — “To answer your question, Mr. President, as to what it would take to win in Afghanistan . . . . 10 million dead, minimum. Hopefully you now see why the present status quo is the only way to go . . . ”

    • Thanks: Spanky
  46. @Anonymous

    In other word, China’s iron fist is covered with a velvet glove. China has found it works best for one to love his/her servitude, but if one steps out of the “party box” they will be dealt with swiftly and forcefully. Societies who are controlled by their master through a watchful eye and a heavy hand all end up as virtual slaves, no matter what their form of government is called. It all leads to the same tyrannical end.

    So whether we are living under Orwell’s or Huxley’s type of tyranny matters not, for either still finds us as slaves.
    https://highexistence.com/amusing-ourselves-to-death-huxley-vs-orwell/

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  47. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Chinese endlessly survey public opinion, and govern according to the people’s wishes.

    What a crock of shit…Watch and learn

  48. Good president takes advise from Chancey the Gardener,

  49. It is really not possible to take any “journalist” seriously, or respect them for being a propagandist. The fact that Pepe has never criticized the Chinese or Russian government on a single occasion is proof that Pepe is a propagandist, and not a jounalist.

    I was pro-Putin to a degree, but lost my enthusiasm for Putin initially for Netenyahu rushing to Russia every month starting in about 2017, and Putin caving to his demands, or not known to me until then, and even more so for collusion in the scamdemic, but I have more respect for Russia than China as a nation. Go ahead, trust the Chinese, and I will be there to say, I told you so, after they screw you over like they did to America, and no country has had a stronger alliance and partnership with China than America, so when it comes to China, ignore what the Americans are telling you, because they have lost all credibility for pathological lying, which is their own fault, but, even a broken clock is right twice a day, and when it comes to China, America is correct in claiming that the Chinese are tyrants, the Chinese keep changing the rules, the Chinese keep committing the same offenses and refuse to stop, and that the Chinese do not get along with any of their neighboring countries or autonomous zones that they have denied all autonomy from, which is also against international agreements. The Chinese blame the CIA for all of this too, refusing to acknowledge tgat they are stripping neighboring countries and autonomous zones of their sovereign rights. If you choose to ignore the Americans, ask the Vietnamese, Indonseians, Japanese, Malaysians, Thai, Philipinos, Cambodians, Laos, India,Ulguirs, Burmese, Taiwan, or Hong Kong, and then aske them if they work for the CIA if they oppose the Chinese policies and be laughed at for being a complete idiot!
    Andrea Iravani

  50. Spanky says:
    @Jim Christian

    Developing ideas which might, at least temporarily, unite people of disparate political loyalties (and even apathy) but whom share mutual antagonism toward our current political status quo is why I’m here.

    Getting away from political personalities is the most difficult task — those personalities are either demonized or co-opted by the elite to divide us — because the left vs right, Democrat vs Republican, us vs them binary political paradigm is deeply ingrained.

    But what if there was a third option, an idea — a political goal, which could turn Americans’ political beliefs into a weapon against the elite and their political parties. A simple and politically neutral idea, rooted in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, which could be used to directly attack the legitimacy of elite rule?

    What might happen, if one hundred million American citizens wrote None of the Above on their ballots and tendered them with the express purpose of rejecting all candidates on the ballot?

    With clear intent to withdraw their consent, individually and collectively, to be governed by the elite’s politicians?

    Mighty oaks from little acorns grow.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  51. “Henry Kissinger – who, in vast swathes of the Global South, is regarded as nothing but a war criminal.”

    The Jew controls the world and Henry is one of their prime (read: pride) asset, so, they don’t give a shit about what the “vast swathes” of the Global South thinks… you should know better, Pepe!

  52. Tom Verso says:

    It is interesting to me that virtually all negative critiques of US/NATO “Forever Afghanistan War” never consider that the “Forever Afghanistan War” is really about the “Forever Iran War”.

    Which is to note the obvious and ignored geographic fact that all those US/NATO troops in Afghanistan are strategically positioned on Iran’s eastern border.

    The US/NATO army in Afghanistan is not about about Afghanistan per se; any more than the US/NATO army in Ukraine are about Ukraine per se.

    The US/NATO army in Afghanistan is there to carry out covert, and in time overt, offensive war against Iran.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  53. utu says:
    @GMC

    “Somehow, those people of East Europe etc. need to understand that most of the Soviet Union was not a 100% Russian run” – Poor Russians in Stockholm syndrome can’t let go their victimizers.

    • Replies: @GMC
  54. utu says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    “Not many of us in Ukraine” – Who is us? Sovoks?

  55. @Ray Caruso

    A sad but accurate analysis.
    We could easily include Canadians, Kiwis, Aussies and the entity formerly known as the U.K. in their.
    Having said that, not all hope is lost. Because the average sheeple is like an emotional driven, shrieking 18 year old girl on her period-if the Fecesbook and twittertwots are any indication-that means that the MOB currently being led by the nose in outrage is potentially very dangerous. If elites think that they can dictate to this HERD, channel it and control it then they are very deluded.
    What happens when this mob turns on them in rage and disgust? No $, no job, no food. Does this scenario look good for Controlling the Masses? Yet we seem headed to economic disaster.

    I see shutting down the economy using a fake illness as desperation to shore up the dykes and greed to pilfer even more. These last 14 months don’t speak to me of a calm, measured response of guiding the ship of state. As more die from these ‘vaccines’ a consensus will build that something is very wrong. The fear the LIARS have used to con the public could easily turn against. them. The overall feeling that something is wrong and of being deceived are all that needs to grow. This is critical and I believe it is happening.
    Back to Kissinger: the American public knew enough to want out of Vietnam. Hopefully, they end up feeling that enough is wrong/off/deceptive to undermine D.C. and stymie the Oligarch Filth.

  56. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Do you know which health “expert” said it? Could it have been evil Dr. Fauci? Reminiscent of Biden’s faux pas when he calmly blurted out that the democrats had built the greatest voter fraud organization in history, the truth often comes out thru such “Freudian slips.”

  57. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    And what could you possibly care after all you don’t care about your own government or country for if you did you would be worrying more about those instead of being the dog in the manger and worrying about something that evidently suits the people of China very well, for they have lifted millions out of poverty while we are putting millions into poverty, one could almost yours is simply an American habit of running down everything you don’t understand.!!!

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  58. @No Friend Of The Devil

    You’ve touched on some very important points.
    I support Putin at the basic level of buying Russia time to heal, stabilize and grow. I dislike the relationship with Bibi the Clown.
    China’s attitude towards its neighbour’s reminds me of the U.S. Both powers are incapable of agreements and reserve the right to change or alter anything at a later date.

    If we step back in time, the United States of the late 19thc was viewed by European investors as a near banana republic yet by 1945 was poised to take over the world economy as last man standing. How convenient that China, hounding intellectuals, scientists and professionals in the 60’s ‘cultural diarrhea’ while citizens struggled to afford rice to eat is now an eco omic powerhouse. Who writes this crap? It is straight from central casting.

    Build it up. Destroy it. Build it up. Destroy. This is not organic change. It is complete, utter manipulation.
    The constant is the Oligarchs. Or to paraphrase: ‘it’s the oligarch’s stupid!’.
    We are being lied to (by oligarchs using a media monopoly) while politicians (bought by oligarchs) tell us we need a vaccine (Big Pharma gene therapy-poison) and the economy must be shut down while they steal our money and load up the debt for our grandchildren’s grandchildren to pay.
    Not only do we seem to have full system failure of democratic institutions but the UN has decided to jump on board labeling all of us ‘white supremacists’ while the E.U. simultaneously supports the Ukrainian fascist-jewish alliance.
    Our ‘elites’ are corrupt and insane. You couldn’t write better comic-tragedy than this.

    • Disagree: antibeast
    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @d dan
  59. Marckus says:

    As I said in comments to other threads. We have an elite, arguably expert in one field, who consider themselves expert in everything else.A Phd in pottery can be now an expert in nuclear physics and other number of topics he so chooses !

    The gullible public believes that since the “oracle” is worth $100M and lives in a mansion, whatever they say must be credible or at least worth listening to. Hence, we have bottom feeders like Kardashian, with millions of followers all anxiously awaiting her next earth shattering pronouncement.

    At worse, Kim’s rubbish is harmless at least to those who tune her out. As we climb up the scale of stupidity we encounter a different breed of philosophers and thinkers whose idiocy comes with dire consequences.

    Of course, one of the problems is the education system where reeding, riting and ritmatic is systemic racism and the deadly after effects of white privilege. Compounding this, is the fact that rich Daddy can send his retarded village idiot offspring into Harvard or Yale by making a donation. The poor child graduates with an illustrious degree but even more stupid than before.

    This is where we are and even with the facts and evidence all around us we are still surprised that 100% of the oracles are assholes.

  60. Jiminy says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    That ai computer facial recognition system must be incredibly smart, because I look at those Chinese crowds and they just all look the same to me. But all governments would sneak those systems into service if they could think of a way of doing it without raising suspicions. Even if the programs are there but hidden away unused, ready and waiting.
    If I remember correctly, an Australian university was caught assisting the Chinese with that ai technology a couple of years ago. And the poms have had facial recognition cameras for decades. It’s really just a natural progression now that they have systems with so much computing power. So they think what can we do next? Of course it doesn’t make it right though.
    Makes you wonder who is spying on the politicians. The latest here are female government workers being raped in the parliament building after partying, while everyone else is in lockdown.

  61. Dystopian says:

    “Oh dear. Not only Beijing hit all the targets Dr. Zbig proclaimed were off limits, but the central government also eliminated poverty by the end of 2020.”

    Sounds wonderful except that it’s propaganda. The poverty level in China is folks with an income level of less than $2.30 a day in wages. Hardly a living wage.

    https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/president-xi-jinping-declares-china-created-human-miracle-of-eliminating-extreme-poverty-2378250

    • Disagree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  62. GMC says:
    @utu

    Sure they did – they { Russians } sent them to the USA , the EU and Israel. The East EUers are too stupid to remember which ” Capters” they should go after , so they picked the ones that their new Captors – want them to go after = Russia- but Russia ain’t the same Capters that the totally confused EUers were Captured by – so the Stupid EUers – watched an old Woody Allen movie – where he famously said – ” Take the money and run” so the Euers – Did. Panimyuu ?

  63. @No Friend Of The Devil

    Chinese did nor screw US. US screwed themselves.
    US did screw themselves by investing in China.
    With American money they did buy the newest and best production machinery from Germany so they now far outperform any production in US. On top of it cost of labor in China is considerable lower.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  64. @Ugetit

    “Homogenizing monstrosities”. Good take. Multidimensional concept delivered in the economy of 2 words. Sometimes a $20 word is worth more than five $5 ones and thirty $1 usages.

    • Thanks: Ugetit
  65. @Ugetit

    This struggle is ongoing in numerous dimensions at once. It is cosmic in nature. Perhaps the words of the great spiritual teacher, Jesus are apt here: “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God”. Post-Trinitarian Christians view that in a unidimensional manner. When one considers the power of thought-infused creation, then we have achieved the first step along the pathway.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
  66. Mefobills says:
    @beavertales

    Let’s not use the “common term” of greenback to represent the money we have today.

    Words mean things as they conjure up images in people’s minds. The Greenback was Treasury money, issued debt free, and under the law.

    Today’s money is Federal Reserve Notes issued by a private money trust. That they kept the “green color” from Lincoln’s Treasury money, is an artifact of history.

    If we colored FRN’s as red, that might be more appropriate, as it would be less confusing to people.

    Even though the South was falling back into England’s colonial system, which ultimately led to civil war, the North – through its malformed banking sector, was indeed screwing over the South.

    The southern planters were paid for their cotton on bills of exchange drawn in England. The market for foreign bills of exchange was in New York, and the southerner was rightly convinced of malicious manipulation of speculation in cotton paper (bills of exchange).

    When the Civil war broke out in April 1861, all of the “private banks” suspended their payments. The Government had to then step in to rescue the situation.

    Congressman E. G. Spaulding of Buffalo New York, who was a member of House Ways and Means committee, introduced a bill. This bill was to create legal tender money, the greenbacks. Spaulding said this:

    “Why should we go to Wall Street, State Street, Chestnut Street, or any street? Their money is not as secure as government money.”

    also

    “I am unwilling that this government should be left in the hands of any class of (((men))), bankers or moneylenders, however respectable or patriotic they may be. The government is much stronger than nay of them….. They only issue promises to pay.”

    Spaulding’s legal tender law passed in the house on Feb. 25, 1862.

    FRN’s are promises to pay. FRN’s are issued as the banks liability to cover your liability. FRN’s mirror your debt instrument at the moment of hypothecation. They are the banks promise, while your debt instrument is your promise.

    Greenbacks were NOT paper promises to pay from a private bank. Greenbacks were government money, which were not borrowed into existence (no debt instrument), there was no interest due on them, and they did not add to the national debt.

    The regime on the Potomic is paid for puppets funded by usury out of the Finance Sector and their fellow travelers.

    By around 1864 around half a million $ in Greenbacks had been issued by Treasury.

    Secretary of Treasury Chase was cold to greenbacks. Spaulding agreed with Chase that a national banking system was necessary, but that Greenbacks were needed “now” as an emergency action.

    Lincoln was also cold to Greenbacks early on, and is his speech to Congress in Dec. 1862. A return to coinage (gold/silver) payments at the earliest, should be kept in view.”

    It was only later in Lincoln’s presidency that he noted the beneficial effect of Greenbacks.

    • Agree: Ugetit
    • Thanks: Spanky
  67. Agent76 says:

    April 03, 2019 How Brzezinski’s Chessboard Degenerated Into Brennan’s Russophobia

    “Russia is an inalienable and organic part of Greater Europe and European civilization. Our citizens think of themselves as European.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51384-c.htm

    Oct 7, 2015 Brzezinski on the World: Foreign Policy

    Former national security adviser Dr. Zbigniew Brzezinski discusses the United States’ relations with Russia and China, and the importance of developing a better strategic approach towards China as a rising power. He also reflects on his role in shaping U.S.-China relations as a member of the Carter administration.

  68. @Zarathustra

    China does not want to rule the World.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Zarathustra
  69. Mefobills says:

    Requote from Dr. Zbig.

    In fact, continued long-term growth at the current rates would require an unusually felicitous mix of national leadership, political tranquility, social discipline, high savings, massive inflows of foreign investment, and regional stability.

    ________________________

    Zbig is repeating neo-con neo liberal brainwashing promulgated as truth in economics curriculum predominant in the west.

    In other words, go to college in the west, and then have your head filled with nonsense.

    Japan’s actions after Perry’s black-ships arrived, are a case in point.

    Japan used their dollar/pounds/francs won in trade discipline, to then send their best students overseas, to then LEARN. They rapidly improved their “social capital.”

    When their educated young returned to Japan, Japan used their own internal state credit to build out industry.

    The trick is not to become reliant on massive inflows of foreign investment, as Russia learned to their detriment in the 90’s. To the extent possible, autarky is good, especially independence in food.

    Clown-world requires repeating narratives that are at odds with reality and known history. Is it an accident that economics departments at major universities get flows of funding by the usual suspects? That you cannot get your upper level degree unless you spout time worn shibboleths? Or, that historical narratives at odds with neo-liberal orthodoxy are conveniently shoved down the memory hole?

    The entire ruling class of the West are a ship of fools, cut off from reality and adrift at sea, or are compromised puppets.

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  70. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:

    China is just another greedy evil empire wannabe. They are not the good guys. The BRI is a horrible idea. They are installing 5G everywhere as a way to help Huawei and ZTE grow their business and to sell more Chinese made goods, but the end result will be people everywhere addicted to the screen like in the US, be duped by US media’s lies and propaganda, become addicted to video games, online gambling, porn, child porn, YouTube, American made depraved pop culture, become LGBTQ, start more “revolutions” and chaos via Facebook or Twitter, buy more US made (or at least designed) goods, engage in even more online scams, and let Amazon put all their mom-and-pop businesses out of work.

    America is destroying ourselves and the rest of the world through the internet, and China is doing everything they can to help facilitate that destruction. Is that evil or stupid?

    I pray for a complete and total decoupling of US and China. It’s time for our two countries to go on our separate ways, for our own good and theirs. To that end, we should expel all current and former citizens of China currently residing in the US, and bar any from entering in the future. It’s also time to bring back all our manufacturing from Asia. And do the same with India and Mexico.

  71. @Anonymous

    What ever dude. A heavy hand is a heavy hand, however you look at it, and it damn sure ain’t freedom. We lost our’s long ago here in the good ol’ USSA, but looking for a better form of tyranny is never the answer. Keep searching for that velvet covered iron fist..
    Cheers

  72. d dan says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    “China’s attitude towards its neighbour’s reminds me of the U.S. ..are incapable of agreements and reserve the right to change or alter anything at a later date”

    The reason you think so is because you, like that stupid troll named “No Friend Of The Devil”, get your info about China only from Western media.

  73. @Johnny Walker Read

    China has found it works best for one to love his/her servitude, but if one steps out of the “party box” they will be dealt with swiftly and forcefully.

    Can you provide a case study of someone who suffered that fate?

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  74. d dan says:
    @foolisholdman

    “China does not want to rule the World.”

    @Zarathustra is using projection from his world to try to understand China. In fact, I would put the cause and effect around: China will succeed exactly because she does not want to rule the world, whereas Soviet and US failed because they wanted to rule the world. None of the factors he mentioned “ideology”, “military” nor “economy” are the cause/reason for failure or success.

    And the good thing is that even small countries can be successful – the game is NOT restricted to only Russia/Soviet, US and China.

    • Replies: @Smith
  75. @Johnny Walker Read

    That video is ABC agitprop. The usual uninformed nonsense. Read Social Credit, Datong Dreams. https://www.unz.com/article/social-credit-datong-dreams/

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Thanks: antibeast, Spanky
  76. @Sirius

    The money spent on ‘forever wars’ goes straight into the pockets of the MICC and the ruling elites. And it disposes of money that could have been wasted on the proles. It’s a win-win for elite hatred.

    • Replies: @Sirius
  77. @Dystopian

    That explains why there are more hungry children, drug addicts, suicides and executions, more homeless, poor, and imprisoned people in America than in China.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  78. @Anonymous

    The ‘Forty Glorious Years’ (or was it thirty?) after WW2 were the result of US dominance caused by the destruction of the other industrialised powers. Out of fear of Communism, the US ruling class allowed social upward mobility and some wealth transfer to the ‘middle classes’, but not the African-Americans of course. So the US ‘middle class’ was born.
    Unfortunately and inevitably the oligarchs grew tired of sharing stuff, so in 1971 they commissioned the ‘Powell Memorandum’ where the future Supreme Court ‘Justice’ Lewis Powell advised the US Chamber of Commerce on how to put the peasants back in their place. In particular he recommended a mass brainwashing and indoctrination through propaganda, and the ‘think-tanks’ were launched. The Great Reaction really set in when corporate stooge Reagan became President.
    After fifty years, the parasites’ triumph is complete. Wealth is concentrated like never before. Elections can be openly stolen from ‘populist’ insurgents like Trump. The fakestream media is an open sewer of lies, hate-mongering, hypocrisy and Orwellian repression of Thought Crime. The economy is thoroughly financialised, with easy profits from what was, a few decades ago, ‘white collar’ crime, flowly freely. The African-Americans were put back in their place by mass incarceration, led by the likes of Uncle Joe Biden, unions are non-existent, healthcare impoverishes the masses, the indoctrination systems are more concentrated in ownership than ever etc.
    But there remain two flies in the ointment. The dragon-fly, China, and the blowfly, Russia. Elite TOTAL ‘full spectrum dominance’, forever, cannot be established until those two are tamed, eviscerated, smashed into fragments, and the remains ruled by Quislings like Yeltsin or Navalny, or the Hong Kong ‘democrat’ scum like Jimmy Lai. Bringing them to heel is the utter obsession of the Western ‘Gods Upon the Earth’, and it will get us all destroyed.

  79. @Johnny Walker Read

    Johnny, Foreign Correspondent is Australian Broadcasting Corporation shite, ie intensely, insanely, viciously, hatefully Sinophobic, Orientalist and racist. The ABC is a centre of racist Sinophobic hatemongering in this country, and has been for years.
    China is a different society, nation and civilization from the West. Western racists refuse to, or are intellectually incapable of, comprehending this. For them China means Fu Manchu or so lackey polishing the White Boss’ boot, as if it was 1860 and the Summer Palace in Beijing has just been looted and destroyed. China is under constant subversive attack by the West, with separatists and traitors financed in Hong Kong, Taiwan, Xinjiang, Tibet, ‘South’ (ie Inner) Mongolia, and elsewhere. The Chinese will defend themselves, because they know, from bitter experience, the depth of race hatred and violence that the West is capable of.

    • Agree: d dan
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @neutral
  80. @Ray Caruso,

    Ray Caruso,

    I am guessing that you are considerably younger than I am based on your statement, because I have never encountered anyone my age that did not know who he is. It would be the equivalent of a millennial not knowing who Dick Cheney is.

    Andrea Iravani

  81. Ugetit says:
    @Majority of One

    This struggle is ongoing in numerous dimensions at once.

    Without a doubt. It probably was always that way and probably always shall be.

  82. @foolisholdman

    Maybe not but it will. It will come to them naturally so they will have no choice.

  83. Treg says:

    Fake wisdom, fake knowledge, fake wars, fake news, fake elections, fake president, fake “pandemic”, fake prosperity, fake freedoms, fake rights, fake, fake, fake….

  84. Paul Krugman, The Myth of Asia’s Miracle, Foreign Affairs; Nov/Dec 1994; Vol.73, Iss. 6; pg. 62, 17 pgs.

    “Once upon a time, Western opinion leaders found themselves both impressed and frightened by the extraordinary growth rates achieved by a set of Eastern economies … Popular enthusiasm about Asia’s boom deserves to have some cold water thrown on it. Rapid Asian growth is less of a model for the West than many writers claim, and the future prospects for that growth are more limited than almost anyone now imagines. Any such assault on almost universally held beliefs must, of course, overcome a barrier of incredulity … From the perspective of the year 2010, current projections of Asian supremacy extrapolated from recent trends may well look almost as silly as 1960s-vintage forecasts of Soviet industrial supremacy did from the perspective of the Brezhnev years.”

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  85. Achtung all my CCP party lover’s. Quit buying the bull shit that Chinese are the good commie’s.

    China is a party-state. The CCP’s power is a combination of the communist idea, system and practice with Chinese history, traditions, and culture. From Karl Marx to Vladimir Lenin and on to Mao Zedong and Xi Jinping, the communist goals are essentially the same – to dominate the commanding heights of an economy and control the means of production through the dictatorship of the proletariat led by the party.

    The CCP has implemented a socialist system with Chinese characteristics to carry out the communist ideas. The CCP is the largest communist party on the planet with 90 million members, plus 80 million members of the Communist Youth League. The party is the sole leadership of the country, according to the constitution of the PRC and the constitution of the CCP. The CCP controls the entire country through its organization, ideology and coercive force. It possesses asymmetric advantages in competing with the U.S. because the CCP is the largest corporation of state capitalism, yet it has adopted market mechanisms.

    https://ipdefenseforum.com/2020/10/the-ccps-global-political-expansion/

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  86. Don Bacon says:

    The US-Taliban Agreement of a year ago included the departure of US and coalition troops by May 1, unconditionally, and it also envisioned a Taliban government taking over, including:

    PART TWO
    . . 5. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan which is not recognized by the United States as a state and is known as the Taliban will not provide visas, passports, travel permits, or other legal documents to those who pose a threat to the security of the United States and its allies to enter Afghanistan.

  87. One-off says:

    So many swings, so many misses, Pepe.

    The United States stays in Afghanistan precisely to serve China. The PRC doesn’t want its Belt ‘n Road patrolled by Taliban skimmers, you know. But maybe you just got a bunt as Washington’s original Mack Daddy looks to expand its real estate portfolio and jab Mother Russia in the eye for Cossacks partying too hard with great-great-granny back in the day. Making the world safe for kleptocracy and all…

    So you got a man on first with two outs, a much stronger position for you than normal at the bottom of the 9th.

  88. antibeast says:
    @Dystopian

    Sounds wonderful except that it’s propaganda. The poverty level in China is folks with an income level of less than $2.30 a day in wages. Hardly a living wage.

    China’s recently-concluded anti-poverty program aimed at eliminating ‘extreme poverty’ so that ALL citizens have a MINIMUM income level guaranteed by the State. That does not mean that everyone in China is now ‘middle-income’ because a large number of those Chinese citizens are still ‘low-income’ people. The next goal of the Chinese State is to transform those ‘low-income’ people into ‘middle-income’ consumers by 2050.

  89. antibeast says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Agree mostly but replace the word ‘Western’ with ‘Anglo-Saxon’ to make it more accurate.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  90. With oracles like these, the US definitely does not need enemies.

    Exactly! I had to perform a feat of self-sacrifice reading all this American so called geopolitical mambo-jumbo. Reading it, at some point of time you begin to ask a question if those people, ranging from Zbig to Fukuyama, not to speak of Kagan’s Cabal, have any clue on anything. Not only their minds are warped, but the level of ignorance and the so called “reasoning” built on it is just stupefying in its sheer idiocy.

  91. neutral says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    You clearly have zero idea what is going on in the “West”. If you did you would know that white people are absolutely demonized and persecuted in those lands. Any attacks on China have nothing to do with whites and everything to do with the jews wanting keep the entire world under their rule.

    • Replies: @denk
  92. @Johnny Walker Read

    I watched it.

    What do you find true, accurate, fair and balanced in it?

    I found nothing.

  93. @Change that Matters

    Krugman’s photo appears next to the dictionary definition of ‘buffoon’.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  94. @Johnny Walker Read

    You simply outlined how China surpasses the West. Instead of two or so competing parties, which divide the populace into increasing hate-crazed factions, China has one Party of power, that anyone can join and rise according to their merits. In ‘liberal democracies’ ALL real power belongs to the oligarchic elites who own the economy, finance, the fakestream media, PR and advertising brainwashing apparatuses and the politicians. Elections are farces of lies, bribes, character assassination and hate-mongering. And, increasingly, they are rigged, by US interference through the NED etc, or in the USA, by the Deep State, the real seat of power and the real servants of the oligarchic elite. The distance between China and the West, in all parameters, will grow and grow, unless the West, in a fit of racist rage, brings the house down on all our heads.

  95. @antibeast

    The Chosen People of the Anglo Five Eyes, plus their Sugar Daddies, the Zionazis, are the focus of Evil in the world. The rest of the West are part Stockholm Syndrome hostages, part fellow travellers in maintaining the White Man’s rule. And I speak of the ruling elites. The populaces are mostly morally and intellectually obtunded.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  96. Sirius says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yes. Though I wonder, couldn’t they make equally dazzling profits rebuilding infrastructure in the US? Or building high speed rail lines, of which there are exactly zero in the US (contrast this with China or even the EU). Or through space exploration, rather than future space wars? Do their profits have to be made through the destruction of countries and millions of people’s lives?

    There are plenty of ways to make money through productive activity, rather than destructive activity.

  97. Sirius says:
    @Rayofhope

    I wish it didn’t have to come to that, but I fear you may be right. It seems that nothing short of a catastrophic failure will change the course of these idiotic, greedy establishment figures. Even the 2008 crash wasn’t a good enough warning for them (assuming they didn’t engineer it).

  98. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    Clown-world requires repeating narratives that are at odds with reality and known history. Is it an accident that economics departments at major universities get flows of funding by the usual suspects? That you cannot get your upper level degree unless you spout time worn shibboleths? Or, that historical narratives at odds with neo-liberal orthodoxy are conveniently shoved down the memory hole?

    I applaud your entire comment. As for the part I quote above, you and I both know that your questions are rhetorical: it is no accident. On the contrary, measures are even now being put in place actually to criminalise any dissent regarding these ‘time worn shibboleths’. As Jonathan Cook (a man I by no means regard as a kindred spirit, but who nevertheless has a healthy handle on the subject of Capitalism) recently wrote:

    The increasingly desperate effort to dissociate capitalism from the imminent environmental crisis – to break any perception of a causal link – was highlighted early this year. It emerged that counter-terrorism police in the UK had included Extinction Rebellion, the west’s main environmental protest group, on a list of extremist organisations. Under the “Prevent” regulations, teachers and government officials are already required by law to report anyone who they suspect of being “radicalised”.

    He went on to add that:

    Last month England’s department of education ordered schools not to use any materials in the curriculum that question the legitimacy of capitalism. Opposition to capitalism was described as an “extreme political stance”…Paradoxically, education officials equated promotion of alternatives to capitalism as a threat to free speech, as well as an endorsement of illegal activity, and – inevitably – as evidence of antisemitism…Efforts to end the suicidal trajectory of our current “free market” system will doubtless soon be equated with terrorism, as the Prevent strategy has already intimated…These desperate and draconian measures to shore up an increasingly discredited system are not about to end. They will get much worse.’

    Hamlet famously observed that “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark”. Today, we cannot but recall the old Chinese curse disguised as a blessing: “May you live in interesting times”. The implication was that such times are dangerous, and we should all prefer to live in a relatively boring age. By this or any other measure, Hamlet’s lament regarding his native country is surely applicable to the whole of the West, in whose death-throes we find ourselves accursed indeed.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  99. @Spanky

    Love ya, Spanky and all that is admirable and not a little noble. Problem? No one has read the constitution in school in 40 years, except the lawyers who abuse it. Average schmoes wouldn’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Another problem? Make headway or threaten to and they shoot you in the head.

    • Thanks: Spanky
    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Spanky
  100. @beavertales

    I’m reminded of Mike Pence who before becoming VP went to China to thank Chinese companies for resurrecting some of the manufacturing companies in his state and providing employment. Once he got elected – China became evil and had unfair trade practices.

    Biden’s new UN Amb. pick in recent times praised what China is doing in Africa and noting the benefits Africans were reaping. Once she was picked by Biden for that position and had to get grilled by the Senate – suddenly China is abusing Africa and is untrustworthy.

    Pathetic politics are indeed a bi-partisan sport.

  101. @No Friend Of The Devil

    “blaming Iran for the attack on the Irbil Iraq airport will probably determine whether they can do this successfully or not.”

    Prescient comment as Biden just authorized the Pentagon to bomb Iraqi militias – operating in Syria – backed by Iran… So the story goes.. Here we go again…

  102. antibeast says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The Chosen People of the Anglo Five Eyes, plus their Sugar Daddy, the Zionazis City of London, are the focus of Evil in the world. The rest of the West are part Stockholm Syndrome hostages, part fellow travelers in maintaining the White Man’s Anglo-Saxon rule over the West. And I speak of the ruling elites. The populaces are mostly morally and intellectually obtunded.

    There fixed it for ya.

    The Anglo-Saxons have been able to maintain their rule over the West by allowing the Jews to do the dirty ‘anti-White’ work for them, in return for getting the ‘White’ privilege of servicing the Devil of Mammon, from their Sugar Daddy, the City of London. Just look at the constant vilification of White Christian European Men and the eternal demonization of Nazi Germany in the West even though the Perfidious Anglo-Saxons caused both WWI and WWII while the City of London profited the most from the two bloodiest conflicts in European history.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  103. Ugetit says:
    @Jim Christian

    No one has read the constitution in school in 40 years, except the lawyers who abuse it.

    Even worse are the lawyers and others who have no clue who the “anti-federalists” were or what their arguments were.

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  104. @Zarathustra

    Except that is false. US money into China was late in the game. It was ethnic Chinese money in Asia – followed by japan and then korea and then the west.

  105. Spanky says:
    @Jim Christian

    … No one has read the constitution in school in 40 years… — Jim Christian

    Oh, ye of little faith! (Sorry, just couldn’t help myself.)

    While true, that may actually be less of a problem than you think… For example, how many self-described Christians have read the Bible?

    The actual issue is myth and symbolism. The Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights are now mere symbols in the elite’s myth of democracy. But, because the elite use this myth to rule us, they are constrained by our belief in it.

    And the core belief is that we are self-governing. That we elect representatives to govern us. That we consent to be governed by voting.

    Ask anyone if they’ve ever voted for a candidate they considered the lesser of two evils? Now ask what if they could say No to both candidates rather than merely choosing the one considered a lesser evil?

    Now tell them that their consent, the consent of the governed, means they can say No to both (or all) candidates.

    Most people get it pretty damn quick.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  106. @Godfree Roberts

    I agreed with you except for the part about executions. There are more executions in China than the US… And that’s partly why China is more orderly. They don’t just execute violent criminals – they execute white collar criminals and corrupt government officials too.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  107. @showmethereal

    If we include police executions, I’d say the US has the edge. 1,000 prior to arrest, and another 1,000 post-arrest but pre-trial. Plus, of course, post-trial executions.

    China has been anti-execution since Mao set it as policy. The immense scale and horrific savagery of Japanese war crimes had aroused popular hatred but Mao, ever the Confucian, forbade retribution: “Our policy towards prisoners captured from the Japanese, puppet, and anti-Communist troops is to set them all free except for those who have incurred the bitter hatred of the masses and must receive capital punishment and whose death sentence has been approved by the higher authorities. We should not insult them, take away their personal effects or try to exact taxation from them but should, without exception, treat them sincerely and kindly. However reactionary they may be, this should be our policy”.

    He sanctioned execution of forty-six war criminals, and pardoned and repatriated a million troops.

    His instructions for establishing civilian order were equally pragmatic and merciful, “The principle is that those who owe blood debts or are guilty of extremely serious crimes and have to be executed to assuage the people’s anger and those who have caused extremely serious harm to the national interest must be unhesitatingly sentenced to death and executed without delay. As for those whose crimes deserve capital punishment but who owe no blood debts and are not bitterly hated by the people or who have done serious but not extremely serious harm to the national interest, the policy is to hand down the death sentence, grant a two-year reprieve and subject them to forced labour to see how they behave”.

    War-hardened colleagues wanted to dispense with legal niceties but, Mao asked, “What harm is there in not executing people? Those amenable to labour reform should go and do labour reform so that rubbish can be transformed into something useful. Besides, people’s heads are not like leeks. When you cut them off, they won’t grow again. If you cut off a head wrongly there is no way of rectifying the mistake even if you want to”.

    The US has had far more political killings than the PRC, and far more executions, I expect.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  108. @antibeast

    If you trouble yourself to do the research you should discover that the English aristos are now heavily interlarded with Jewish bloodlines. Prime example: The mother of Sir Winston Leonard Spencer Churchill was one Jenny Jerome–American born to a father who had changed his name, as did John Kerry’s father generations later. Original name was Jacobsohn.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  109. @Spanky

    Many directions can emanate from this erudite exposition. I’ll just do a simple exercise in logic as a spin-off. “Representative”. Literally, officially representative means that one (or many) can be represented by this individual who runs for politix. allegedly to represent her/his constituents.

    Back in 1788, a candidate for such an office probably represented, at most, a few thousands of people. Anyone interested in that contest could show up at one of the stump-rallies, where an office-seeker literally stood on a stump, so he could be observed by the crowd. On a circuit ride through the district a candidate would encounter not only those who supported him, but also the curious, AND his political enemies, who would commonly heckle and boo. The exposure was direct, and perhaps on a few occasions, spiced with a bit of danger.

    Fast forward to the recent election of 2001, where a given Congre$$critter spends most of the working hours, ferreting out campaign contributions for the next cycle. He enjoys a large staff of minions and gophers who attend to all the minutiae of business, write the speeches and read the bills up for a vote. There is at least one lawyer in that crew, sometimes even if the office-holder happens to be a member of the second-oldest profession. The constituency? Somewhere between 750,000 and 800,000 people.

    The question: How can one office-holder possibly REPRESENT the needs, wishes and best interests of nearly a million constituents? Impossible. Primarily, they represent the DNC or RNC national committee, along with their prime campaign contributors.
    Only possible solution: Eliminate the House of alleged representatives and replace it with popular intenet-based referendums including the eligible voters of the district. To negate the “mobocracy” so feared by the founders, selection of senators should revert to state legislatures, can balance the “democracy” by a sober house of balancing second opinions. Minimum age to serve in the one-term Senate: 65.

    • Replies: @Spanky
  110. denk says:
    @neutral

    Full spectrum demonisation, ..
    HK, Xinjiang, Tibet,
    SCS, SCS, ECS, TW, COVID, …

    Sabre rattling … SCS, ECS, TW,
    LADAKH [thru the Indian sepoys]

    Long arm jurisdiction in HK, Xinjiang, Tibet.

    ICC, UN inquisition on Xinjiang

    WHO dun it in Wuhan

    Global Chinese Exclusion Act

    SARS2 aka COVID aka
    Certificate of Vaccine ID.

    Courtesy of [[[fiveliars]]], ….
    Since the days of Eight Nations Alliance,.

  111. antibeast says:
    @Majority of One

    That’s true in England but not in America where the Yanks never had an ‘aristocracy’ in the first place. The Yanks don’t like the Jews as much as they love their money, courtesy of their Sugar Daddy, the City of London, the majority shareholder of the US Federal Reserve System, as represented by its agents in Wall Street. What the Yanks fear is for a united ‘Europe’ to reclaim its place in the world as the leader of the West instead of the USA, a geopolitical condition that they want to prevent as much as possible by maintaining the perpetual US military presence in Europe while keeping the Germans down and the Russians out by constantly demonizing both Nazi Germany and Putin’s Russia. Far more than Russia or China, the emergence of a united ‘Europe’ threatens the primacy of the USA as the de-facto leader of the West. That geopolitical condition is called the ‘Thucydides Trap’.

    • Replies: @Majority of One
  112. @antibeast

    Europe is half crippled by its mass of undigestible immigrants shoved down their throats by their prostitician minions of the Bank$ters.

  113. Spanky says:
    @Majority of One

    The question: How can one office-holder possibly REPRESENT the needs, wishes and best interests of nearly a million constituents? Impossible. Primarily, they represent the DNC or RNC national committee, along with their prime campaign contributors. — Majority of One

    While I agree with the above statement, your possible solution is focused on future change to the legislative branch…

    My focus is a bit more immediate and mundane.

    It is simply a fact that the elite’s myth of democracy allows no meaningful way to withdraw or withhold your consent to be governed. Vote, or not, as you see fit — one of the elite’s lesser evils will always be elected and their governance legitimized by all those who voted either for or against. There is no other option.

    However, the consent of the governed is their right to say Yes or No — to either accept or reject their governance — rather than merely cast a ballot for the least objectionable candidate or abstain by not voting.

    None of the Above encapsulates that right by rejecting all candidates for office. Voters, by individually and collectively exercising their right to say NO at the ballot box, can directly challenge the legitimacy of elite governance.

  114. @Godfree Roberts

    Ok then we are discussing different things. I meant legally executed through the court system… But I get your point about police shootings and such.

  115. Smith says:
    @d dan

    The USSR failed because it was sanctioned and contained by the USA and the chinks.

    Now to say the USSR wanted to rule the world, blatant revisionism.

    But I pray that the USSR does come back, Putin the Gatekeeper cannot hold forever, that will be the most reckoning for both USA and China.

  116. Cowboy says:
    @Anonymous

    Is that what Peepee was trying to say? I thought he was saying the chinks had achieved some synthetic unity in it’s quest for the absolute ideal.

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