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This is the concise story of how a suicide bombing may carry the potential to subvert the whole, ongoing, complex process of Eurasia integration.

Recently, the Balochistan Liberation Movement (BLA) had released an ISIS-influenced video threatening “Chinese officials and installations” in Pakistan’s vast province.

Yet what actually happened in late April was a suicide bombing outside of the University of Karachi’s Confucius Institute – not Balochistan – and targeting Chinese teachers, not “officials and installations.”

The suicide bomber was a woman, Shaari Baloch, alias Bramsh, who detonated her vest just as a van carrying Institute staff members approached the entrance. The attack was claimed by the BLA’s Majeed Brigade, which stressed that this was the first time they used a female suicide bomber.

Shaari Baloch was a schoolteacher with a Zoology degree, enrolled to pursue a second Master’s degree, married to a dentist and professor at Makran Medical College in her hometown of Turbat, in southern Balochistan. Her three brothers include a doctor, a deputy director at a government-funded project, and a civil servant. So Shaari Baloch was far from being a mere destitute online-indoctrinated Salafi-jihadi.

The Pakistani Foreign Office had to stress the obvious: this was a “direct attack on the Pakistan-China friendship and ongoing cooperation,” always qualified, by both sides, as “iron brothers.” Pakistan is an absolutely key node of the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) to connect the Eurasian landmass.

This was no standard terrorist attack. Its reverberations are immense – not only in one of Pakistan’s provinces and South Asia regionally, but for the whole of Eurasia. It may be a harbinger of serious turbulence ahead.

Shaari Baloch’s act of desperation should be seen, to start with, as the embodiment of a deep-seated Baloch alienation felt by the educated middle classes, from lawyers and traders to students, constantly permeating the complex relationship with a distant Islamabad. A significant part of the puzzle is that 26 Pakistani intel agencies never saw it coming.

Baloch leaders instantly made the point that the best possible reaction would be to call a Grand Jirga – modeled on the Shahi Jirga practiced at the time of the partition of the subcontinent – that would unite all tribal elders to address the most pressing local grievances.

Round up the usual suspects

Balochistan, geostrategically, is as valuable as rare earth minerals: an immense desert positioned east of Iran, south of Afghanistan, and boasting three Arabian Sea ports, including Gwadar, practically at the mouth of the strategic Strait of Hormuz.

Comprising nearly 48 percent of Pakistan’s area, Balochistan is rich in uranium and copper, potentially very rich in oil, produces more than one-third of Pakistan’s natural gas, and sparsely populated. The Baloch account for the majority of the population, followed by Pashtuns. Quetta, the large provincial capital, for years was considered Taliban Central by the Pentagon.

Gwadar, the port built by China on the southwestern Balochistan coast of the Arabian Sea – directly across from Oman – is the absolute key node of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), and doubles as the essential link in a never-ending pipeline saga. The Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline, previously known as the “peace pipeline,” with plans to cross from Iranian to Pakistani Balochistan (India still has not made up its mind) is absolute anathema to Washington since the George W. Bush era.

CPEC remains an endless source of controversy even inside Pakistan. Beyond all the links planned between Gwadar and Xinjiang by the year 2030, most of this ambitious connectivity corridor deals with energy, industrial zones and road and rail projects in different parts of the country – an overall improvement of its lagging infrastructure. The Chinese, for years, have quipped that in fact “all of Pakistan is a corridor.”

The US security establishment, predictably, has been planning for years to instrumentalize an insurgency in Balochistan to – what else – “disrupt” first the possibility of an energy pipeline from Gwadar to Xinjiang, and then the overall CPEC project. Usual suspects like the US’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) are very much present in Balochistan. WikiLeaks had revealed a great deal of the game back in 2015.

A Carnegie Institute report noted how “many Baloch nationalist leaders now come from the urbanized districts of Kech, Panjgur, and Gwadar (and to a lesser extent from Quetta, Khuzdar, Turbat, Kharan, and Lasbela). They are well connected to Karachi and Gulf cities, where tribal structures are non-existent. In fact, while there is violence all over the province, the insurgency seems to concentrate mainly in these urbanized areas.”

Suicide bomber Shaari Baloch came from Turbat, the province’s second largest city, where the BLA is very much active. From the point of view of the usual suspects, these are choice assets, especially after the death of important tribal leaders such as Akbar Bugti. The report duly noted how “the educated and middle-class Baloch youth are in the forefront” of the insurgency.

The anti-China instrumentalization of the BLA also ties in with the regime-change parliament operation in Islamabad that recently deposed former prime minister Imran Khan, who was always a fierce adversary of the American “Forever War” in Afghanistan. Khan resolutely denied Pakistan’s use in “over the horizon” US military ops: that was one of the key reasons for him to be ousted.

Now, with a pliant, Washington-approved, new regime in town, a miracle has just happened: the Pentagon is about to clinch a formal agreement with Islamabad to use Pakistani airspace to – what else – keep interfering in Afghanistan.

Beijing, as well as other members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), won’t be amused. Only weeks before the white coup, Khan had met with Chinese President Xi Jinping and once again underscored how Pakistan and China are “iron brothers.”

ORDER IT NOW

Imran Khan was a serious thorn in the side of the west because he kept impressing on Pakistanis that the Forever War in Afghanistan was militarily unwinnable. He knew how all the proxies – including the BLA – that destabilized both Afghanistan and Pakistan for decades were, and continue to be, part of US covert operations.

Not an Iran-India plot

Balochistan is as deeply tribal as the Pashtun tribal areas. Local tribal chiefs can be as ultra-conservative as Islamabad is neglectful (and they are not exactly paragons of human rights either). Most tribes though bow to Islamabad’s authority – except, first and foremost, the Bugti.

And then there’s the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA), which both Washington and London used to brand as a terrorist group, and then forgot about it. The BLA operated for years out of Kandahar in Afghanistan (only two hours away from Quetta), and already in the previous decade – simultaneous to the announcement of the New Silk Roads and CPEC – stressed it was getting ready to attack non-Balochis (code for the government in Islamabad as well as Chinese foreigners).

Balochis are inclined to consider the BLA as a resistance group. But Islamabad has always denied it, saying their support is not beyond 10 percent of the provincial population.

An ample controversy has raged in Pakistan for years on whether the BLA was totally hijacked by the CIA, the MI6 and the Mossad. During a 2006 visit to Iran, I was prevented from going to the Sistan-Balochistan province in southeast Iran because, according to Tehran’s version, infiltrated CIA from Pakistani Balochistan were involved in covert, cross-border attacks. It was no secret to anyone in the region that since 9/11 the US virtually controlled the Baloch air bases in Dalbandin and Panjgur.

In October 2001, while waiting for an opening to cross to Kandahar from Quetta, I spent quite some time with a number of BLA associates and sympathizers. They described themselves as “progressive, nationalist, anti-imperialist” (and that would make them difficult to be co-opted by the US). They were heavily critical of “Punjabi chauvinism,” and always insisted the region’s resources belong to Balochis first; that was their rationale for attacks on gas pipelines.

Stressing an atrocious, provincial literacy rate of only 16 percent (“It’s government policy to keep Balochistan backward”), they resented the fact that most people still lacked drinking water. They claimed support from at least 70 percent of the Baloch population (“Whenever the BLA fires a rocket, it’s the talk of the bazaars”). They also claimed to be united, and in coordination with Iranian Balochis. And they insisted that “Pakistan had turned Balochistan into a US cantonment, which affected a lot the relationship between the Afghan and Baloch peoples.”

Two decades later, and after the whole ISIS saga in Syria and Iraq, it’s a completely different story. BLA sympathizers may still be prepared to remain within a Pakistani confederation, although with infinitely more autonomy. But now they seem to be willing to use western imperial help to strike not only at the central government in Islamabad, but also at the “near abroad” foreign profiteer (China).

After the Karachi suicide bombing, a narrative started to emerge in some Pakistani circles that Iran and India were in cahoots to destabilize Balochistan.

That makes absolutely no sense. Both Tehran and Islamabad are tightly linked to Beijing through several nodes of the New Silk Roads. Iran would draw less than zero benefit to collude with India to destabilize an area that borders Afghanistan, especially when the SCO is fully engaged in incorporating Kabul into the Eurasia integration process. Moreover, the IPI has its best chances ever to come to fruition in the near future, consolidating an umbilical cord from Southwest Asia to South Asia.

During the late years of Barack Obama’s administration, the BLA, though still a fringe group with a political wing and a military wing, was regrouping and rearming, while the chief minister of Balochistan, Nawab Raisani, was suspected of being a CIA asset (there was no conclusive proof).

Already at the time, the fear in Islamabad was that the government had taken its eye off the Balochistan ball – and that the BLA was about to be effectively used by the US for balkanization purposes. That seems to be the picture right now. Yet the heart of the matter – glaringly expressed by the Karachi suicide bombing – is that Islamabad still remains impervious to the key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy.

(Republished from The Cradle by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. 迪路 says:

    I should point out, though, that Imran Khan is related to the Rothschilds. You can look into imran Khan’s ex-wife’s connection to the Rothschilds. After all, Palestine is already close to the West and China’s export of infrastructure and cultural projects is just business. China cannot expect these people to transform themselves. In the end, a community with a shared future for mankind is just an ideal.
    Unless there is a holy One who truly constructs the supremacy of all mankind, human beings will always be inferior creatures.

  2. Notsofast says:

    it is so sad that this shit hole of a country feels the need to sabotage all attempts for peaceful trade and development that they can’t stick their filthy fingers in. they cannot allow any other system to succeed, as it will reveal the usury, debt slavery and ponzi nature of their parasitic economy. if this evil empire is not destroyed, they will not stop until the entire world is enslaved.

    • Agree: Antiwar7, Kali, michael888
    • Thanks: Sarah, dogbumbreath
    • LOL: true.enough
    • Replies: @mulga mumblebrain
  3. But says:

    You certainly rebutted the claim that Iran was involved, but did nothing to avert attention from the obvious hostility from India to both Pakistan and China.

    • Agree: Ghan-buri-Ghan
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  4. Souza says:

    Excellent article. The narrative, the way the author constructed and displayed his knowledge over the region and all social, political, military and economical aspects involved are very nice to read and learn. This is the best of Pepe Escobar.

    Sometimes the “Roving Eye on Globalistan” writes things like “If the Russian Ministry of Defense finds out that NATO did it, they will let loose all the dogs from Hell on NATO, as in “asymmetrical, lethal and fast.” (in ‘The Moskva Riddle’, 23 April 2022). Everybody who is really following the war knows that NATO did it (could someone please call the Kremlin and tell them that?). What happened? Nothing!

    I have been following the Moskva since 2013 when it travelled to the Caribbean Sea, docking in Cuba (see 2013 Rare Footage MOSKVA Warship Missile Cruiser 2013 in Cuba; Sunk April 2022 exploding ammunition – youtube). How could Russia lose it? It is unbelievable!

    No matter if you read Escobar in The Cradle, or Paul Craig Roberts at his website, or Kevin Barrett at Truth Jihad or Helen Buyniski at RT’s op-ed, Michael Hudson, all and much more are in the UNZ.COM, including Mr. Unz himself. I have been following the website for less than a year and it is now the best reading in the World.

    Imagine myself in Brazil between two professional politicians, both hugely involved in corruption charges brought by the judicial system and saying nothing worth to be paid attention at all (on one side a legion of right extremists strongly supported by the US Republicans warmongers, on the other side an immense brainwashing machine made by ‘journos” and politicians heavily paid by the US Democrats warmongers cheering Lula as the savior (indeed, the savior of his former archenemy, now running as his vice president).

    Result: one can not read anything more in Brazilian Portuguese. It is horrible. No content at all, just crap! Be it in the bourgeoisie’s news corporations, be it in the so-called “alternative media” (lula’s fans, like “The Power is with Lula” – unbelievable).

    It is unbelievable: the US sank the Moskva (nothing happened) and will sink Brazil further on (and nothing will happen). The country will be further destroyed, PT will enjoy their US\$ 100 million plus election quota paid by the taxpayers and the majority of Brazilian society will continue to be poor, very poor.

  5. Bro43rd says:

    Pepe says “….key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy.”

    And in a sane world they should have it. Secession into smaller autonomous groups, only makes sense. But it has to be voluntary, if force is involved you just end up trading one group of rulers for another.

    • Agree: Kali
    • Replies: @Kali
  6. Notsofast says:
    @迪路

    do all google translations sound like fortune cookies? with that said, if you’re going to judge a man by his ex-wife, than i freely admit that i married the daughter of satan, guilty as charged.

    • LOL: 36 ulster, Realist, Escher
  7. anon[373] • Disclaimer says:

    Punjbi stole billions that were doled out to Pakistan in 1980s by Audi and USA. They are thieves,arrogant,nepotistic, and stupid. In USA,you find them wearing stupid outfits and trying to suck up to Indian Punjabis. There are physcians in Detroit area who are throughly corrupt tribal and opportunistic. Reday to sale the country to the highest bidder.
    Also you will find their sons and the daughters of the military and of the political leaders are either employed by the government or enrolled into the prestigous universities. They and their families are mortaged to USA . Thus is the entire country .


  8. Ruble runs victory laps. If Russia’s “plan” was so perfect, by Jacob Dreizin



    Video Link

    • Thanks: Sarah
  9. @But

    After the humiliation in Afghanistan it was always clear Baluchistan would
    be next, but first of all as a move against Iran; now the Karakorum Highway
    and Gwadar are a grand strategic pain in the pooter also (it is hard to see
    what beef the Baluch would have with China).
    India? Well, Kautilja (“The neighbor of my neighbor is my friend”) was Indian 😀

    https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Kautilya

    – That they use the educated middle classes is … disturbing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  10. denk says:

    .Many have charged that the US exerts direct and/or indirect control over a number of these terrorist organizations through the CIA. Though Washington, and its mainstream media organs, have dismissed these allegations as “conspiracy theories” countless times, such denials have become more difficult to accept, especially in the wake of the Raymond Davis case. Davis, a CIA operative in Pakistan, was arrested after murdering two Pakistanis. However, the New York Times revealed that Davis was:

    Working from a safe house in the eastern city of Lahore…a retired Special Forces soldier, carried out scouting and other reconnaissance missions as a security officer for the Central Intelligence Agency… Mr. Davis has worked for years as a C.I.A. contractor, including time at Blackwater Worldwide, the private security firm (now called Xe) that Pakistanis have long viewed as symbolizing a culture of American gun-slinging overseas… Several American and Pakistani officials said that the C.I.A. team with which Mr. Davis worked in Lahore was tasked with tracking the movements of various Pakistani militant groups, including Lashkar-e-Taiba.

    So, Davis was at the very least in contact with Lashkar-e-Taiba, which lends credence to many of the allegations from a variety of sources that Davis, like a number of his CIA colleagues, acted as a “handler” for terrorist groups, providing them with the contacts necessary to carry out their attacks.

    https://journal-neo.org/2014/07/08/the-politics-of-terrorism-in-pakistan/

    • Thanks: nokangaroos
  11. Molip says:

    Sounds like China has an opening to win Baloch hearts and minds:

    – raise the current 16% literacy through education programs; and

    – improve access to clean water.

    Spend a little bit now to save a lot more later.

  12. @迪路

    You wrote:

    I should point out, though, that Imran Khan is related to the Rothschilds. You can look into imran Khan’s ex-wife’s connection to the Rothschilds.

    Admittedly, Imran Khan’s ex-wife was Jemima Goldsmith, daughter of British tycoon Sir James Goldsmith – descended from the infamous Goldschmidt* family.

    * The Goldschmidts, neighbours and rivals of the Rothschild family, were a wealthy, Frankfurt-based, Jewish family that had been influential in international merchant banking since the 16th century.

    That said, Jemima was no Rothschild lackey. She was an independent minded woman that was well aware of Zio malfeasance in the world and I suspect that part of the reason she married Imran Khan was to make a public ‘up yours’ statement towards that subset of malevolent and exploitative Jewry that has brought so much misery to the world.

    Moreover, Jemima’s mother (Lady Annabel Vane-Tempest-Stewart), was born in London into an Anglo-Irish aristocratic family with its roots in Ulster and County Durham.
    She was the daughter of Robin, Viscount Castlereagh, who later became The 8th Marquess of Londonderry.

    Simply put, according to Jewish law, seeing as she had a gentile mother and tribal affiliation is determined through the matriarchal line, Jemima herself was not Jewish.

    Jemima has a long history of involvement in genuine philanthropic activities like assistance for Afghan refugees and visiting Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon, Jordan, the West Bank and Gaza to promote the charity Hope and Optimism for Palestinians in the Next Generation (HOPING), to name just two among many.

    Jemima was a close friend of Princess Diana and, many years after divorcing Imran Khan, she even dated activist and absolute legendary truth teller Russell Brand.

    Make no mistake, Jemima is one good girl and has been a thorn in the side of the Anglo-Zionist empire and the establishment.

    • Disagree: Dream
    • Replies: @nosquat loquat
  13. Ghali says:

    Unfortunately, Escobar’s analysis left the roles of India-Israel in arming terrorist groups and in every terrorist attack in Pakistan. Of course, successive U.S. regimes are the hand that keeps feeding international terrorism, particularly in West Asia.

    • Agree: Rayaleast
  14. Pepe Escobar wrote about the:

    … recently deposed former prime minister Imran Khan, who was always a fierce adversary of the American “Forever War” in Afghanistan. Khan resolutely denied Pakistan’s use in “over the horizon” US military ops: that was one of the key reasons for him to be ousted.

    Imran Khan was a serious thorn in the side of the west because he kept impressing on Pakistanis that the Forever War in Afghanistan was militarily unwinnable.

    And that readers, is what the CIA, the US’s National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and various Zio funded NGO’s are doing 24/7 throughout the world.

    If you don’t obsequiously prostrate yourself to the Anglo-Zionist empire, utilising those tools at their disposal like the ones above, they [ZOG] will do their utmost to destabilise your regime and your country.

  15. Kali says:
    @Bro43rd

    It’s becoming clearer every day that our only hope to live in a sane and free world is for those of us who see the writing on the wall to establish our own independant, autonimous communities where ever we are, where ever we can, and to lead/guide by example.

    I hate to sound like a scratched record, but only by working in cooperation with our like-minded, sentient brothers/sisters, by establishing our independance from the ‘economy stupid’, and by working in our own self-interest, can we hope to starve the Beast and ensure our own survival as a free species.

    If those of us with awareness begin the jouney toward freedom, others will recognise the wisdom of it and follow suit.

    Cooperative Communities, networked across regions, for mutual support and mutual benefit, under Natural Law, with economic independance based on giving – give only what you can, take only what you need, pooling resources for the good of all…

    Whilst practicing non-violent non-cooperation with a lawless and corupt state [eg. “I am the living man/woman called ______. I do not recognise you. I do not recognise or accept your jurisdiction. I grant you no authority over me”. Rince and repeat up the Beasts chain of comand.]

    Sadly, we have to face the fact that Putin, nore anyone else, is going to save us. So we have to act like adults and save ourselves.

    In doing so, we gradually starve the Beast, whilst also showing the way for others to do the same.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Agree: Bro43rd
    • Thanks: IreneAthena
    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Arthur MacBride
  16. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    Interesting that the first comment under the video that Pepe cited (of the BLA) taking responsibility is this:

    Chaitanya Subhakar:

    Balochistan zindabad. Full support from India 🇮🇳❤

    • Replies: @Malla
  17. I have a lot of respect for Escobar and his interesting work, but IMHO he’s a bit off the mark by giving to much credit to the usual basket of criminal gangs (CIA, MI6, etc.)

    Despite the geostrategic location, China is almost ready to give up on the Paki \$hithole because:

    It is incredibly unstable – not even one government has stayed in office for its full term since they gained independence in 1947.

    It is uneducated and illiterate – only 60% of men are literate (and if I remember correctly only about 40% of women. I can’ find a source.) https://www.dawn.com/news/1628652

    It is corrupt – Chinese investment there is eaten up by all of the hands in the pie (or spoons in the biryani?).

    It breeds religious extremism – not just BLA militants, but Pashtuns by the truckload.

    In other words, it’s a Paki problem. The problem is with the Pakistanis, with or without the encouragement that may be coming from outside actors.

    • Disagree: Rayaleast
  18. @Souza

    I have been following the Moskva since 2013… Imagine myself in Brazil between two professional politicians… one can not read anything more in Brazilian Portuguese…and the majority of Brazilian society will continue to be poor, very poor.

    wow! Your post is all over the place.

    I agree with you that Escobar’s work is generally very good.

    Enjoy the weekend!

  19. “(India still has not made up its mind)”

    Does that surprise you? The Subcontinent was torn apart during the partition and the Hindoos have never accepted that they lost their ancient territories to their converted (to Islam) cousins and who are now in cahoots with their true ancient enemy, China.

    I’ve no doubt when it suits US, we’ll help partition the land of the ‘holy’ (pork hating Pakistan) and the land of the ‘unholy’ (pork loving China). Just wait until we’re done with the Russia problem. One thing at a time, Pepe!

  20. @American Bulwark

    I’ve no doubt when it suits US,

    I’ll be waiting.

    In the meanwhile, enjoy your double digit inflation.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  21. anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

    Balochis are an ultra inbred violent tribe. They are deficient in intelligence and any higher faculties. They only can understand violence. Please understand it is very difficult to deal with such brutish tribes. The best Pakistan can do is a policy of mandatory assimilation, similar how it was done at periods of time with Slavic, Assyrian and other brutish tribes in Eastern Europe and Asia Minor.

    And any outside mingling by Iran, India or the USA should be dealt with swiftly and hard.

  22. denk says:

    Mali 2015
    AQ cornered 10 Chinese, 20 Indians, dozens of gringo in a Mali hotel.
    The gringo and their French associates had supposedly been bombing, dronning the hell outta the jihadists there since 911
    But Guess who the AQ singled out for exeucution ?
    Russian/Chinese rail executives, in Mali negotiating a big rail proj.

    2013
    Pak taliban, TTP terrorists in Pak tracked down a group of international tourists, picked out the Chinese and shot them in cold blood.

    ‘To avenge our bro massacred by gringo drones’

    2020
    Sri Lanka easter massacre.
    ISIS attacked Chinese owned hotel, massacred four Chinese marine scientists..leaving gringo and Indian owned hotels unmolested.

    I presume everybody knows by now ,
    who created an controlled AQ, TTP, BOKO HARAM, ISIS, IS…?

  23. @littlereddot

    What will become of poor ‘littlereddot’ when we stop buying Chinese junk? It’ll be back to the iron rice bowl and a feudal government, so, yes, let the high inflation buffet US!

    • Troll: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @littlereddot
  24. Che Guava says:
    @迪路

    Imran Khan is only related to the Rothschilds through his foolish marriage to the Goldsmith woman.

    I am amused that ‘right behind your front’ Pepe is dumping on the Baluchis, they may be prey to some kind of manipulation now, but they have been agitating for independence at least since the establishment of Pakistan.

    If Pepe was capable of consistent thought, he would include that. but he is not.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  25. @anon

    “And any outside mingling by Iran, India or the USA should be dealt with swiftly and hard.”

    How would you do it, with flying carpets and donkeys?

    Talk is cheap! Shia Iran can piss on Sunni Pakistan to flush it down the Arabian Sea, let alone India or US.

    The best way to pacify brave Balochis is to import more Chinese (to them vaginas are a natural resource to make money) and Poonjabi (it isn’t like that they haven’t whored before) prostitutes.

    • LOL: Malla
    • Troll: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @Malla
  26. denk says:

    After killing two Pak policemen, Raymond Davis was arrested and jailed, waiting for trial.
    But Pak eventually capitulated under FUS pressure, Davis was released and flew the next flight home.

    But u aint seen nuthin yet….

    In 2002, a gringo Michael Meiring was messing with explosive in Ph hotel when he blown off both legs and was rushed to hospital.

    What is unusual about the case, The Manila Times reported, is that Meiring was: whisked out of Davao, past the Philippine National Police guarding him at the hospital, and on to a chartered plane, accompanied by what Immigration officials described as agents of the US National Security Agency and agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation.

    http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/murder_inc/site/gladio/nws30duterte.html

  27. @American Bulwark

    What will become of poor ‘littlereddot’

    What happens in China won’t affect littlereddot.
    He lives in a country with a much higher per capita GDP than Yankeeland.

    Chinese junk?

    You mean like your iPhone? or the computer you are typing on?

    It’ll be back to the iron rice bowl and a feudal government,

    Before Trump’s trade wars, only 17% of China’s exports went to the US. Now it is way less. Even if all Yanks stopped buying Chinese goods, it would affect 5% of their GDP at most.
    Heck, China trades more with Southeast Asia than the USA. China trades more with Europe than with the USA.

    So yeah, please do stop buying Chinese goods. More for the rest of us.

    so, yes, let the high inflation buffet US!

    Inflation is just the tip of the iceberg. When the Petrodollar collapses, so will the funding for the US military. The whole “tax on the world” scam will come crashing down. Your US dollar is going to be a fraction of its present value. Fancy paying \$20,000 to replace your old iPhone?

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Thanks: Kali
  28. denk says:

    Same Cover, Same Lies
    I Had Ray Davis’s Job, in Laos 30 Years Ago

    The story of Raymond Allen Davis is one familiar to me and I wish our government would quit doing these things – they cost us credibility.

    Davis is the American being held as a spy working under diplomatic cover out of our embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan. You can understand why foreign countries no longer trust us and people are rising up across the Middle East against the Great Satan.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140228034156/http://www.informationclearinghouse.info:80/article27582.htm

  29. Realist says:
    @Kali

    It’s becoming clearer every day that our only hope to live in a sane and free world is for those of us who see the writing on the wall to establish our own independant, autonimous communities where ever we are, where ever we can, and to lead/guide by example.

    That is an excellent idea…unfortunately easier said than done.

    • Replies: @Kali
  30. @Kali

    Nice to see you again, dear Kali.
    I sent a message of goodwill to the email you provided (ka****@gmail) a while ago with a ref to “Afternoon Tea by the Pool” 😎 … and wonder did you receive it ?

    As always wishing you the best.

    Here’s Karl Ditters v Dittersdorf with a calm influence —

    • Replies: @Kali
  31. @American Bulwark

    Hindoos have never accepted that they lost their ancient territories to their converted (to Islam) cousins and who are now in cahoots with their true ancient enemy, China.
    There was no ancient enmity between India and China. The mighty Himalayas have kept the two apart for better or worse.

    • Replies: @Peter O’connor
  32. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Well Pakistan supports the Kashmiri Independence Movement against New Delhi so India supports the Balochi Independence Movement against Islamabad. Tit for tat. Balochi Independence movement from Pakistani Rule is old, much older than CPEC or even before Indian involvement. And it’s suppression by the Pakistani Army has been brutal in the past. Both India and Pakistan are enemies of each other and will try to harm each other. It is simple as that. For Indians, Kashmiri freedom fighters are terrorists and for Pakistanis (and China because of CPEC) Balochi Independence fighters are terrorists. One person’s terrorists may be another person’s revolutionaries. Pakistan even supported the Khalistani separatists in the Punjab against India. So why will India keep quite?
    India was using it’s presence in Afghanistan under U.S military cover to infiltrate Pakistani Balochistan (there is Iranian Balochistan too). When the U.S. left Afghanistan, India was extremely pissed with the USA.
    US leaving Afghanistan was a sort of Pakistani victory (even if Pakistan was supporting the Americans officially) but it is a Pyrrhic victory. Now the Taliban will not accept the Durand line with Pakistan. LOL. The Indians are laughing themselves mad. The Pakistanis are trying to build a fence on it’s Afghan border which is porous and there are Pathans/Pastuns on both sides.

    BTW, the Indian Deep State wants Pakistan to disintegrate. They are not hiding their wishes, they are open about it. Indian English channel NewsX.


    Pakistan Should Be Disintegrated | Time For Pashtun Action Plan? | Indian English language Channel NewsX

    • Agree: Dream
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Anonymous
  33. Malla says:
    @anon

    Balochis are an ultra inbred violent tribe. They are deficient in intelligence and any higher faculties. They only can understand violence. Please understand it is very difficult to deal with such brutish tribes. The best Pakistan can do is a policy of mandatory assimilation,

    Wow talk about racism and cultural genocide. What if the the Hindutvas did the same to the Kashmiris? Flood Kashmir with Hindus from the rest of India and assimilate Kashmiri Muslims? Paksitani Punjabis would be screaming and shouting and running to the UN with Chinese support. LOL.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  34. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    Pakistan is full of dancing girls (Punjabis, Pastuns), dancing to Indian Bollywood songs, with ugly ass thuggish men “making it rain” like in some American nigger club. How can guys (Pakistanis, blacks) be so stupid, showering cash on women like that? Not even getting sex.


    Anmol Dance Party

    • Agree: Dream
  35. antibeast says:
    @littlereddot

    Before Trump’s trade wars, only 17% of China’s exports went to the US. Now it is way less. Even if all Yanks stopped buying Chinese goods, it would affect 5% of their GDP at most. Heck, China trades more with Southeast Asia than the USA. China trades more with Europe than with the USA.

    China’s exports to the USA accounts for just 2% of its GDP today, down from 3% before Trump’s trade wars. The reason for this drop is not only due to Trump’s tariffs but also due to rising land and labor costs in China. Nike, for instance, produces 90% of its shoes outside of China, with 10% remaining in China to serve the Chinese market. Another example is Samsung which left China even before Trump’s trade wars but has since settled in Vietnam producing consumer electronics for the global market.

    Inflation is just the tip of the iceberg. When the Petrodollar collapses, so will the funding for the US military. The whole “tax on the world” scam will come crashing down. Your US dollar is going to be a fraction of its present value. Fancy paying \$20,000 to replace your old iPhone?

    Inflation is not even the biggest impact on the US economy from the collapse of the Petrodollar. That’s only a side effect of the financial implosion of the USD pyramid scheme as foreign investors dump USD financial assets in favor of non-USD financial assets as much of the US economy has been financialized since the 1980s.

  36. @littlereddot

    “The whole “tax on the world” scam will come crashing down.”

    If it’s a known and acceptable practice then it isn’t a scam thus it will flourish in centuries to come.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  37. @Malla

    And that’s where you Hindoos are weak… damn the UN, damn the bullshit Poonjabis i.e. Muslims and damn the Chinese.

  38. @Che Guava

    “Imran Khan is only related to the Rothschilds through his foolish marriage to the Goldsmith woman.”

    Imran was a Paki playboy (the muslim variety) but that foolish girl, Jemima Goldsmith (Jewess to boot) fell for his ‘charms’ (whatever that means) and her two sons are now living with their father and mom is left out in the cold. Let that be a lesson to all non Muslim women who plan hitch up with jihadis!

    • Agree: Dream
    • Replies: @Tarun
    , @Sisifo
    , @Che Guava
  39. Who Was Shaari Baloch? Karachi University Suicide Bomber Survived By Two Children

    https://www.shethepeople.tv/news/who-was-shaari-baloch-karachi-university-suicide-bomber-survived-by-two-children/

    How many guesses do we need to figure out how this woman became a suicide bomber?

    Bastards.

  40. @Malla

    Dontcha think a reorganization into Pashtunistan and Baluchistan might in the long run be preferrable to the current state of affairs?
    (of course independent Kashmir too … hell, the most spectacular scenery and
    the most beautiful women on the subcontinent, and what are they doing with it?)

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
    , @jami
  41. @Malla

    Degradation.

    Just like N….. way of life.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  42. This totally off topic. But, where is Linh Dinh?

    • Replies: @SteveK9
  43. @Rev. Spooner

    Hinduism didn’t exist, it was jainism which was far different today than it was originally

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  44. @Souza

    Let’s be honest – the Moskva should have been retired already…

  45. @nokangaroos

    Yes it is trying to kill two birds with one rough stone. That region also is a way to destabilize Iran. Pakistan and Iran have begun to mend fences. Of course certain forces don’t want that… Especially since Pakistan is close to China and Iran is drawing closer to China…

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  46. @nokangaroos

    Don’t forget independent and sovereign Tibet as well as the East Turkmenistan and a few others …

  47. @Peter O’connor

    Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism are all derivatives of Hindooism analogous to Zoroastrianism giving birth to Judaism, Christianity as well as Islam.

    • Replies: @Rayaleast
  48. @showmethereal

    The day Japanese feel equal to Chinese, it’ll the day when Iranians feel equal to Pakis, which is to say never as long as Japan follows Shintoism and Iran follows Shiaism. Both China and Pakistan are looked down upon by their respective superior neighbors … it’s almost like the antebellum South with plantation owners and slaves.

  49. @antibeast

    On thing about Samsung… They moved mobile phone production once they lost the market in China – but they increased memory chip production and increased investment in battery technology… Of course because China is still their biggest market for both. So Samsung is still very present in China.

  50. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Well Pakistan supports the Kashmiri Independence Movement against New Delhi so India supports the Balochi Independence Movement against Islamabad. Tit for tat.

    This is correct, which is why Pepe was not able to really say anything convincing regarding India having clean hands, only Iran. He basically avoided the Indian subject altogether.

    Now, this maybe overreach on India’s part. If BLA is found to be targeting Chinese nationals with Indian support, China can escalate much easier in Kashmir in response compared to what India can do in Xinjiang. That is simply Machiavellian calculus since, just like it is India’s interest to see Pakistan broken apart, it is in China and Pakistan’s interest for the same vis a vis India.

    Af-Pakistan should probably think about the process to becoming one country, it seems much less of a hassle than trying to keep them separate anyway. I think Pakistan already has the same number of Pashtun population as Afghanistan does.

  51. This is totally off topic. But, where is Linh Dinh?

    • Replies: @Notsofast
    , @Mustapha Mond
  52. Rayaleast says:
    @American Bulwark

    India never existed before the empire stitched it together.

    Darker South Indians are no way cousins of fairer baluch and pashtuns, they are as different as nordics are to red Indians.

    Why are they so creepy and insist on a connection.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  53. jami says:

    You idiot, if partition is good then whey don’t you allow Catalan, that feeds Spain, to be separated? Why no western country who are trying to partition Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey and others, did not support Catalan’s struggle for independence, although Catalan is self sufficient dummy? Why all these western thieves were silent against the arrest and abuse of the Catalan leaders? Don’t you think
    the Catalan people have a right to be separated? idiot. Why do you always want to sell your criminal plan as ‘human rights’ to Muslims liars? We know you are nothing but a thief and terrorist planning to steal our lands and resources.

    You, the illiterate, do you think Sudan is better now, after bloody partition? If your answer is Yes, then You are stupid to the core.
    Do you think Yugoslavia is in a better position today, after the bloody invasion by the criminal West, where it was divided by the Evil empire, and its colonies, Britain, Canada and other thieves and terrorists in NATO.

    If partition is good, then you terrorists, why don’t you allow Quebec or Scotland to be independent. Why the zionist Joe does not allow Ukraine to be partitioned into few pieces, but the same zionist thug has done everything to divide the regional countries in the Middle East for the benefits of the zionist’s dicks where should be chopped off. These scum have divided Muslims’ land for centuries. Enough is enough. If they want to be separated, then they can do it themselves. They don’t need thieves and terrorists like YOU.
    All these partitions, especially the lands of Muslims, have geopolitical/economic reasons, gullible.
    That’s why the bloody West and its dumb population have tried to keep these countries POOR and WEAK through wars and economic sanctions so it is easy to steal their resources.
    Always there are few traitors who fall into the western and zionist’s traps to play their music. Otherwise the people of Baluch have fought against British imperialism and zionism. Death to the evil empire and its colonies like racist Zionists in India.

    You idiot, comment without slightest knowledge of the colonial West in the region. Why don’t you divide the fucking America or British territories into 50 pieces? Why the evil empire is trying to increase its population by outlawing ABORTION against China idiots? Do you believe, the bigger in terms of land and population is the better to project your criminal influence? then why do you want to divide the Muslim lands further? Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why don’t you divide Russia, thief?

    The problems in these region is not that these groups cannot live together, rather is the intervention and criminal activities of your fucking governments for centuries in these region for DIVIDE and RULE that create chaos to create opportunity for the criminal west and its gullible population.

    When the people in the region kick out these thieves out of their countries and have control over
    their destiny, then the situation will be reversed and you gullible will be looted and your lands will be divided into many pieces for centuries. It is the time to REVERSE the situation. We are not going to allow you to continue living off other people. When the \$\$ goes down as an int. currency, then you have to lick each other’s ass to feed yourself, because the rest of the world is not going to support your parasitic life style in American or Britain. Down with both and their partition plan. Shame on you all.

    • Replies: @Malla
  54. Rayaleast says:
    @American Bulwark

    You are no American bulwark, you are an rss bulwark.

  55. jami says:
    @nokangaroos

    You idiot, if partition is good then whey don’t you allow Catalan, that feeds Spain, to be separated? Why no western country who are trying to partition Iraq, Syria, Iran, Turkey and others, did not support Catalan’s struggle for independence, although Catalan is self sufficient dummy? Why all these western thieves were silent against the arrest and abuse of the Catalan leaders? Don’t you think
    the Catalan people have a right to be separated? idiot. Why do you always want to sell your criminal plan as ‘human rights’ to Muslims liars? We know you are nothing but a thief and terrorist planning to steal our lands and resources.

    You, the illiterate, do you think Sudan is better now, after bloody partition? If your answer is Yes, then You are stupid to the core.
    Do you think Yugoslavia is in a better position today, after the bloody invasion by the criminal West, where it was divided by the Evil empire, and its colonies, Britain, Canada and other thieves and terrorists in NATO.

    If partition is good, then you terrorists, why don’t you allow Quebec or Scotland to be independent. Why the zionist Joe does not allow Ukraine to be partitioned into few pieces, but the same zionist thug has done everything to divide the regional countries in the Middle East for the benefits of the zionist’s dicks where should be chopped off. These scum have divided Muslims’ land for centuries. Enough is enough. If they want to be separated, then they can do it themselves. They don’t need thieves and terrorists like YOU.
    All these partitions, especially the lands of Muslims, have geopolitical/economic reasons, gullible.
    That’s why the bloody West and its dumb population have tried to keep these countries POOR and WEAK through wars and economic sanctions so it is easy to steal their resources.
    Always there are few traitors who fall into the western and zionist’s traps to play their music. Otherwise the people of Baluch have fought against British imperialism and zionism. Death to the evil empire and its colonies like racist Zionists in India.

    You idiot, comment without slightest knowledge of the colonial West in the region. Why don’t you divide the fucking America or British territories into 50 pieces? Why the evil empire is trying to increase its population by outlawing ABORTION against China idiots? Do you believe, the bigger in terms of land and population is the better to project your criminal influence? then why do you want to divide the Muslim lands further? Russia is the biggest country in the world. Why don’t you divide Russia, thief?

    The problems in these region is not that these groups cannot live together, rather is the intervention and criminal activities of your fucking governments for centuries in these region for DIVIDE and RULE that create chaos to create opportunity for the criminal west and its gullible population.

    When the people in the region kick out these thieves out of their countries and have control over
    their destiny, then the situation will be reversed and you gullible will be looted and your lands will be divided into many pieces for centuries. It is the time to REVERSE the situation. We are not going to allow you to continue living off other people. When the \$\$ goes down as an int. currency, then you have to lick each other’s ass to feed yourself, because the rest of the world is not going to support your parasitic life style in American or Britain. Down with both and their partition plan. Shame on you all.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  56. Tarun says:
    @American Bulwark

    Er …Pepe did give credence to the Balochis right to self-determination with his closing statements unless you missed or misunderstood it …

    “Yet the heart of the matter – glaringly expressed by the Karachi suicide bombing – is that Islamabad still remains impervious to the key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy”

    This closing statement sounds to me that pakistans problems with subversion from the usual suspects is of its own doing by neglecting and usurping the resources that rightfully belong to the balochis. I believe Pepe also made reference to “Punjabi chauvinism. It’s the usual shadow groups exploiting and subverting that age-old pesky tribal tension in Pakistan (as well as the rest of the region). Just another day’s work for this evil bunch to advance whatever it is they intend eventually.

    • Agree: Rayaleast
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  57. SteveK9 says:
    @Mark Gaughan

    Ron commented on his last post. You can read it. Linh could not understand Ron’s support of vaccines (neither can I) and was angry. Ron calls Linh an ‘antivaxxer’. Linh is on Substack now.

  58. @Rayaleast

    I am going to retort to both your moronic comments, # 52 & # 53 in one fell swoop…

    If knowing India more than you through reading then so be it … RSS or SS, so long as I am not an ASS like you.

    Now for the different races of India, check with ‘Malla’ in case you need a real education.

    As to the South Indians, they are way smarter than all you Pakis (you’re no match for their level of IQ) and proud of their Dravid roots (they don’t want to be Whites) unlike you, who are essentially sand niggas’ niggas. Remember before you invoke the Nordic type that you’re basically a mulatto race of the Subcontinent, i.e. a dastardly mixture of every Tom, Dick and Harry who came whoring through it. And the worst of them all was your religious master, the Arab.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Rayaleast
  59. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tarun

    This is basically Bangladesh redux. By neglecting the legitimate grievances of East Pakistan and considering them as inferiors who needed to be brutally kept from seceding, the Pakistanis lost that nation. They have the ability to fix this situation, it’ll require compromise and dialogue – but only if they are willing to learn from their earlier mistake.

  60. Notsofast says:
    @Mark Gaughan

    do you have a head injury? you keep asking the same question, unless of course….linh is that you? you missed us, didn’t you?

  61. Malla says:
    @anon

    Balochis are an ultra inbred violent tribe.

    They are quite similar to Pastuns/Pathans but still very distinct.

    I was reading this book about General Reginald Dyer when he was posted at the British Empire’s wild frontier of Baloch tribes (British Indian Empire/Balochistan-Persia border areas) during WW1. German (supported by Austrians) and Ottoman secret agents were infiltrating India to rile up the masses against the British Empire and many Baloch tribes on the frontier (Yarmahommedzais, Gamshadzais, Ismailzais etc…) had already gone pro-German, swore loyalty to the German Kaiser and started attacking the British Empire frontier posts (and their supplies). Indian Hindu merchants (contractors of the British Indian Army) refused to send supplies to the frontier British Imperial military posts out of fear of the pro-German Baloch cavalry raiders. That is why Dyer was sent on the frontier, Dyer had single-handedly (with his tough Cockney English working class Driver) turned the situation around but he got a lot of valuable help from loyal warrior Baloch tribes like the Chagai, tribes who still swore 1000% loyalty to the King Emperor and the British Empire. Shows how smart, tough, brave, resourceful, and capable Colonial Victorian Gentlemen officers were compared to today’s Western leftard pussyboy naive eloi “rebels without a cause” nonsense. A valuable lesson in people management.
    You learn how tribal Balochistan was. Everything is to be exploited for your family and tribes. But they are also very hospitable and some principles of hospitability are followed to the letter. Also how backstabbing is a part of life, how some tough bully tribe leader would immediately cow down and kiss feet when in a weak position and then immediately attack when in a strong position. Survival of the fittest. How strength and power is respected but weakness ruthlessly attacked. How cunningness and shrewdness is way of life. People promise only to break it, nobody keeps his word. Backstabbing and greed, a way of life. Mixed in with bravery, but smart shrewd bravery not sacrifice yourself for some ideology stupid bravery (Whitey, Jap tendencies). Bravery for some gain.
    This is how most of the Third World was and at the end of the day, always will be as the West weakens up. Life for humans was always meant to be harsh and brutish at the end of the day.
    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/51070/51070-h/51070-h.htm
    Raiders of the Sarhad: Being an Account of the Campaign of Arms and Bluff Against the Brigands of the Persian-Baluchi Border during the Great War by Reginald Edward Harry Dyer.

    What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters. Like life in some Communist Gulag, basically – give minimum, extract maximum. British Imperial Officer Colonel Dyer, played his part in liberating the Persian slaves from the Baloch. How he does that, is written in the book. People do not know this but the last Shah of Iran, had to take many severe military actions in Iranian Balochistan to pacify the fierce Baloch tribes in Iran.

    • Replies: @jami
  62. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Balochistan was semi-independent Kingdom during the days of the British Empire, whose independence was respected by the British Empire and was forcefully absorbed by Pakistan (India did the same too with other kingdoms after Independence from the British Empire) in 1947-48. From the 17th centuiy until 1928 and 1948 respectively, Balochistan preserved its independent status. The Baloch country maintained diplomatic relations with Mughal India, Ottoman Turkey, Iran, Afghanistan, Oman, and British India.
    Having persistently denied their right for self-rule, the Punjabi and Persian dominated states of Pakistan and Iran have always claimed that the Baloch are not a nation, but a tribal society with traditional tribal characteristics, thus lacking legitimacy for the right to self-rule and self-determination. The Baloch nationalists, on the contrary, reject these claims, and argue that they constitute a national community, in the fullest sense of the word, and occupy a relatively well-defined territory (which is the strongest argument anyone has to the right to self-determination). Apart from common ethnic bond and common historical experiences, the Balochs’ common cultural heritage includes language, religion, and all other manifestations like food, dress and perhaps their entire way of life. Balochistan’s occupation by the modern armies of Iran in 1928, and Pakistan in March 1948, led to the birth of the Baloch liberation/ resistance movement against both Iranian and Pakistani Imperialism/ Colonialism. Since the early 20th century, the Baloch nationalist movements have been trying to establish their legitimacy by appeals to nationalism throughout Balochistan. Balochistan comprises the Pakistani province of Balochistan, the Iranian province of Sistan-wa-Balochistan (Sistan and Balochistan), and the contiguous areas of southern Afghanistan.
    To crush the Baloch, the Pakistani Government had even encouraged Pathan settlement in balochistan, Weapons of Mass Migration to change the demographics of Balochistan, trying to make the native Baloch a minority in their own lands and playing Divide and Rule in between native Baloch and immigrant Pathans. But Pathans and Baloch have more similarities in mentality then the dominant Punjabis of the Pakistan state.

    In the 1960s, and 1970s, influenced by the Stalin’s Marxist doctrine of oppressor and oppressed nationalities, the Baloch nationalists as well as many of the Punjabi and Urdu-speaking leftists, considered the Marxist definition of nationality as the cornerstone for understanding the national question in Pakistan. The Punjabis and the Urdu speaking muhajirs (Muslim immigrants from India during partition), who dominated the Pakistani state apparatus, were considered as the oppressor, while the Bengalis/Bangladeshis, Sindhis, Pashtuns, and the Baloch formed the oppressed nationalities. This was the dominant view in the multi-ethnic National Awami Party (NAP) as well as in the other organizations in Pakistan.

    The Baloch liberation movement is way older than Chinese BRI/ CPEC or even any Indian support. The Chinese just walked into an old headache.

    • Replies: @FrodoWasAFremen
  63. @Mark Gaughan

    He’s in Vietnam, specifically, in Vung Tau, currently……………

  64. @Anonymous

    “This is basically Bangladesh redux.”

    Perhaps! But remember that Bengal was where the British Raj ruled from for a very long time before moving on to Delhi. East Bengal was well educated, both in English and in Bangalee languages and had nothing in common with the thugish and basically illiterate Poonjabis of West Pakistan. Also, Iran may not allow independent Balochistan for a fear of its own Baloch minority, who might be clamoring for either independence or wanting to join up with their brethren across the border, almost like the Turkish fear of Kurdish people in their own midst. But the biggest difference is that Bangladesh had India on its border and it was willing to intervene (for its own geopolitical reasons), whereas, India cannot come to the rescue of Balochis given that the territory of the Sindh would be an obstacle. Of course, anything is possible, especially, given that India has Sindh mentioned in its national anthem but doesn’t have the land itself and probably wants it back but it would mean war with both of its neighbors.

    • Replies: @FrodoWasAFremen
  65. @Malla

    It’s sad that the Taliban is made up of foolish and rabidly fanatical Afghans who could instead opt for enlightenment and progress for its people so that their girls and women would not end up whoring in Pakistan but unfortunately, Islam has fcuked up their heads so much that there’s no hope for them except be a mine pit for China and an opium farm for Pakis to get rich.

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @anonymous
  66. jami says:
    @Malla

    [What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters.]

    Only a ‘Hindi’ spreads these LIES around. Baloch people are an Iranian people who live mainly in the Balochistan region, located at the southeastern most edge of the Iranian plateau, encompassing the countries of Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

    Balochi language, also is one of the oldest living languages of the Indo-Iranian group of the Indo-European languages. Balochi language, like Persian, has no gender. Balochi language is a member of the Iranian family language. Baluch people were part of Persian empire for cengturies and stil are part of Iran, but the British imperialism, divided the region and re arrange the border in order to keep its colony, India, where still in place, that’s why the Evil empire and its junior partner want to continue the policy to keep their colony India in place.

    Do you think Balochi who are Iranians and have been part of the Persian empire, living together for centuries and have shared history are going to take their own brothers and sisters to sell it as ‘slaves’? This tradition is not among Iranian family rather, I guess, is with the ‘indians’ who take their owns and sell them as slaves.
    Prior to 1947, Balochistan’s official languages was Persian and English was added after the British colonial was established where outlawed Persian, because Persian language was a major obstacle to their criminal plan in India.
    In 1948, with the incorporation of Balochistan into the newly created Pakistan, Balochi was replaced by Urdu as the national language. Urdu is NOT Persian, it is Indian based language with a lot of Persian vocabulary and has gender.

    The invasions of Genghis Khan caused the bulk of Baloch migrations and the Balochs were given refuge in the greater Sindh region.
    Iranian Balochistan had some of the earliest human civilizations in history. The Burnt city near Zahidan dates to 2000 BC. All of what is now Baluchistan was part of the Achaemenid, Seleucid, Parthian, and Sassanid Iranian Empires.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  67. @jami

    😀 😀 😀
    – Us Natzees ™ regard “borders” not backed by peoples* as lines on
    a paper; in case you didn´t notice I called the “borders” left behind by the colonizers
    the problem (and I asked Malla – whose area expertise and judgment
    I have come to value – for an opinion).
    – There was no justification for going full Abe Lincoln on the Catalans, true;
    however it should stay within reason: Scotland, no; never divide an island, if at
    all possible. Quebec, why not? Tibet … nothing between China and India can be truly
    independent, and India has been shown not to respect neutrality; both the Indus
    and the Brahmaputra spring from the Kailash but there´s precious little China could
    do about it. Besides it has been part of China since the 16th century, and there can be
    no doubt they are better off now.
    – But of course it is Kashmir that gets under your skin.
    Confucius say, vegetarian jungle bunny no good in mountain 😛
    Come time, you will have to source your actresses and high-end whores elsewhere.

    *This concept is probably not applicable to India.

    • LOL: Malla
  68. @Notsofast

    The USA represent the End of Humanity, the Fermi Paradox resolved, the hearts’ desire of tens of millions of ‘religious’ lunatics and proof that the ‘arc of history’ turns in on itself until it reaches a singularity of malevolence, and disappears from the universe as a black hole of greed, arrogance and malignancy. This day has been coming since 1776, since 1900, since 1945, since 1989, and here it is.

  69. @Malla

    Yes, it certainly seems older than any recent conflict, but – as you pointed out, there are ways this can be sorted out. The Balochis are certainly their own people, but then so are the Sindhis and Punjabis and all the many other people that constitute both India and Pakistan. If – as I understand it – Pakistan was built on the common theme of being a land for the various Muslim people of that region, then it might work if they come to common and equitable terms on that basis – easier said than done, right?

    Again, Bangladesh is a good example of a failure of coming to common and equitable terms. So it’s really up to the Pakistani leadership whether or not they want to be conciliatory or be ruthless and prolong it longer with rising bloodshed. Then again, I guess another counter example to Bangladesh breaking away is Sri Lanka crushing the Tamil Tiger insurgency. That is the balance that insurgents must play, if they piss everyone off by being too indiscriminate in their application of violence, the general public will give the government cadre blanche to bulldoze the opposition.

    Of course, I honestly don’t know if independence will help the average Balochi. With they way things work in that neck of the woods, they may simply be trading a distant, corrupt overlord that speaks a different language in Islamabad for a local, corrupt overlord that speaks Baluchi in Quetta.

    That’s the breaks.

    • Replies: @Malla
  70. @American Bulwark

    Yes, a major complication for the Balochis in this situation is that they are sandwiched between three nations that do not want them to carve a piece out (yes, even Afghanistan has some Balochis). So the situation is – from a practical perspective – more akin to the Kurdish situation .

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  71. @Anonymous

    The “legitimate grievances” of East Pakistan were spelled C-I-A, even then
    (though the Usual Suspects then still used British mercs for the dirty deeds, in
    deference to it having been their colony).

    • Replies: @FrodoWasAFremen
    , @Malla
  72. denk says:

    You can understand why foreign countries no longer trust us and people are rising up across the Middle East against the Great Satan.

    The great satan has slaughtered 30M Muslims and spawned 40M refugees since 911, right ?

    But why oh why…
    No gringo, or for that matter, no whitey ever get targeted by those ‘terrorists’ but every other day some chinaman somewhere are wasted by AQ, IS, TTP, BALOCHS…….?

    .Every other day since 911, the cabal keep warning about the danger of moslem terrorism to FUKUS,
    How come it IS the Chinese who have been dying like flies at the hand of said terrorists in Afpak, the stans, Afrcia, SEA,….?

    [1]

    Why was rabid ‘anti gringo‘ TTP chief Adullah Mehsud released from gitmo, why did he go after Chinese engineers and almost wrecked the entire Gawdar proj ?

    ———–

    [1]
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/new-great-game-gets-back-to-basics/#comment-4790300

    [2]

    The Meiring fiasco

    WASHINGTON, MANILA, TAIPEI & BEIJING
    The future of the American-Filipino anti-terror alliance became clear last month when Arroyo took up the issue of granting landing rights to Taiwanese military pilots.

    That move is a US orchestration to formalize a Washington-Manila-Taipei triad in the South China Sea and coincides with the offensive return of the USNS Bowditch.

    The same American spy ship that sparked last year s deadly mid-air collision of military planes over Hainan Island was back looking for trouble last month in coastal waters off the People s Republic. The Chinese insist the new intrusions of the Bowditch violate international law. The US Navy says PRC patrol planes harass the crew as they gather data for battle.

    Six months after the director of the CIA warned Congress about the 400 missiles Beijing now brackets the Straits with, Congress sent its new Foreign Relations Authorization Act to President Bush. Newly signed into law, the bill upgrades Taiwan to major non-NATO ally status and orders US flags to fly at American buildings on the island Beijing calls a renegade.

    The US has been heading towards China via the Philippines ever since Mr. Bush took office.

    —————-

    • Replies: @denk
  73. denk says:

    Can the real terrorists please stand up ?

    While CIA/MI6/ASIO are globe trottling terrorists, in South Asia they often partner with RAW.
    MOSSAD might also has interest in Pak , the only Muslim country with nukes .

    The US and Indian Embassies in Islamabad as well as consulates have become dens of espionage within Pakistan and safe houses for Raymond Davis like terrorists. The so-called diplomats and staff posted in US and Indian Embassies and consulates are mostly involved in espionage. US media has disclosed that Davis was part of a covert intelligence network involving hundreds of spies operating in Pakistan without the knowledge of security agencies. Death of three US Special Forces trainers in Lower Dir as a result of suicide attack, arrest of Davis in Lahore, and Aaron Mark De-Haven from Peshawar and identification of Jonathan Banks as chief supervisor of drone attacks and detection of Blackwater activities gives an idea about the scale of organized CIA network in Pakistan.

    https://sabrinabaloch.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-axis-of-evil-blackwaterxe-cia.html

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  74. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Bulwark

    your comment ignores the fact that tons of indians have aryan nations beliefs and think they are essentially the same race as scandinavians.

    • Replies: @Malla
  75. @American Bulwark

    These are the most hideous crimes against humanity- surpassing, in scale and thoroughness, even Hitler’s organized pogrom of the Jews and the Slavs. But while the whites react with anger and indignation to the massacres of their own kind, they continue to glorify and celebrate their genocidal achievements when their victims are non-Europeans.

    We all should now wake up to the fact that the regimes thus established are illegal, immoral and illegitimate. For the sake of justice and legality, these criminal regimes must be abolished. Only then can a just “New World Order” prevail.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/sinophobia-lies-and-hybrid-war/#comment-4192007

  76. Malla says:
    @jami

    Only a ‘Hindi’ spreads these LIES around. Baloch people are an Iranian people who live mainly in the Balochistan region, located at the southeastern most edge of the Iranian plateau, encompassing the countries of Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

    Stop lying and stop trying to subterfuge the historical facts, you lowly worm.
    From a Muslim researcher himself.
    https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/180927/31c68a20991b5a98b0dece4fd929c9c8.pdf
    The Baluch insurgency: linking Iran to Pakistan by Zia Ur Rehman
    Zia Ur Rahman (Superior Muslim, not inferior subhuman Hindoo) writes

    “Baluch historians point to the fact that historically an independent Baluchistan existed for several centuries. Afghans, Persians and Sikhs all made repeated but unsuccessful attempts to establish complete control of Baluchistan (AI, 2007). However, during the 19th century the British and Persian empires divided Baluchistan into spheres of influence. In 1928 independent West Baluchistan (today the Sistan and Baluchistan Province of Iran) was forcibly annexed to Iran by Reza Shah Pahlavi, who overthrew the Qajar dynasty in a military coup soon after the “Persian constitutional revolution” took place between 1905 and 1907 and founded the Pahlavi dynasty. Baluch activists say that this dynasty created a centralised, predominantly Persian state in Iran that enshrined ethnic suppression, forcing the Baluch community to fight to protect their rights under Iranian rule (UNPO, 2010).
    In 1979 Iran became an Islamic republic and Shah Muhammad Reza Pahlavi was forced into exile. However, Iran’s new theocratic rulers continued and strengthened Pahlavi’s policies towards the Baluch, perceiving the Sunni Baluch as a threat to their Shia revolution (Tatchell, 2008).
    In 1839 the British gained control over a part of the Baluch region situated in modern-day Pakistan by defeating the forces of Mehrab Khan Baluch, the then-ruler of the Baluch state. The greater part of Baluchistan was – formally or informally – under the British Empire until Indian independence in 1947; the prime British interest in the area was that of securing and protecting the North-Western Frontier Province of British India from both Afghanistan and Iran (Khan, 2011).
    2 Noref Report – May 2014
    Many Baluch believe their province was forcibly incorporated into the new state of Pakistan when the Indian subcontinent was divided into India and Pakistan at the end of British rule in 1947, and since then the province has been in turmoil (IRIN, 2006). Prior to Indian independence there was a serious possibility that the Baluch would be accorded self-rule under the leadership of Ahmed Yar Khan, the ruler of the Baluch state of Kalat, who claimed that Kalat was never a part of the British Indian Empire (Bangash, 2011).
    In the late 1940s Kalat state was declared an independent nation by the British government, while other adjoining areas such as those inhabited by the Bugti and Marri tribes were also included in the new state. When India and Pakistan became independent in August 1947, Baluchistan also declared its independence (Tatchell, 2011). Pakistan, the British and Baluchistan accepted the independent status of Baluchistan through a tripartite agreement signed on August 4th 1947.
    To ascertain the will of the people concerning the future of the state, Ahmed Yar Khan established two houses of parliament in October 1947 (Bangash, 2011). Rejecting the Baluch’s legitimate claim to self-rule, the Pakistani government tried to force Baluchistan to join Pakistan, but both houses of the Baluch parliament rejected this (Tatchell, 2011). Khan was willing to compromise with the Pakistani government on defence, foreign affairs and communication matters, but was not prepared to abandon the sovereign status of the state. However, the Pakistani government moved forces into Kalat territory and pressurised Khan to sign the instrument of accession merging Baluchistan with Pakistan. Baluch separatist groups argue that this accord was mandated by neither the Baluch parliament nor the Baluch people (Tatchell, 2007).
    Khan rose up in revolt, triggering the first of a series of insurgencies in the province. New uprisings, essentially seeking greater autonomy, led to confrontations between Baluch nationalists and separatists and the Pakistan military in 1958, 1962 and 1973-77 (IRIN, 2006). The current armed conflict between Baluch separatists and the Pakistani army has been ongoing since 2004. Members of the powerful Bugti and Marri tribes and parts of the Baluch middle class support the separatists with influence and money, making the current insurgency stronger than previous ones (The Economist, 2012).”

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  77. @American Bulwark

    Nothing better to do than troll around huh? Serious discussion here…. Try comic books instead.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  78. @American Bulwark

    The day Japanese feel equal to Chinese, it’ll the day when Iranians feel equal to Pakis, which is to say never as long as Japan follows Shintoism and Iran follows Shiaism. Both China and Pakistan are looked down upon by their respective superior neighbors … it’s almost like the antebellum South with plantation owners and slaves.

    It was/is the japs who feel that they were/are superior to the Chinese, AND other Asians!!! That was why the “honourary whites” proceeded to conquer and colonise all of East, and Southeast, Asia in the last century– in the same way the whites colonised the world. That led to untold suffering, and death of tens of millions, of Asians in the hands of the japs.

    China, and the rest of the Third World, will correct the injustice done by the whites and the japs in this century.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
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  79. Malla says:
    @jami

    https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/aug/06/irans-troubled-provinces-baluchistan
    In the 19th century, the greater Baluchistan region, spanning Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan, was divided by the British colonial power in south Asia between 1870 and 1872. British telegraph workers surveyed the area and defined Iran’s border with Afghanistan and British-ruled India (later Pakistan) to settle territorial disputes with the Qajar dynasty, which ruled Iran from 1789 to 1925.

    In 1897, Sardar Hossein Khan, a Baluch tribal chief, led an insurgency against the Qajar dynasty. The uprising ended three years later when the shah appointed Khan to be the local governor. The Baluch maintained a high degree of autonomy for three decades. In 1925, Reza Shah Pahlavi finally deposed the Qajars, already weakened by the 1906 Constitutional Revolution, and began to solidify his rule across the country. In 1928, he sent an army to wrest control from Baluch tribal chiefs. Several Baluch tribes launched two rebellions, which both failed, in 1931 and 1938. The Pahlavis redrew provincial boundaries to divide the Baluch among multiple provinces, such as Kerman and Hormozgan, and forcibly resettled Baluch elsewhere in Iran.

    The Qajars, the Pahlavis and, since 1979, the Islamic Republic of Iran, have primarily viewed Sistan and Baluchistan as a security liability. Tehran has long worried that the Baluch could rally, perhaps with their brethren in Pakistan, to seek greater autonomy or even independence. After the 1979 revolution, Baluch separatists reportedly began to receive support from outside Iran. Tehran has accused the United States, Britain, Israel, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia of supporting Baluch separatists.

    The central government has done little to integrate the Baluch into Iranian society. Poor socioeconomic conditions have exacerbated ethnic tensions. “Areas with large Baluchi populations were severely underdeveloped and had limited access to education, employment, health care, and housing,” according to the State Department’s 2019 report on human rights. In 2018, life expectancy in Sistan and Baluchistan was the lowest of any Iranian province. In the last census, the province also had a literacy rate of only 76 percent, compared to 93 percent in Tehran province.

    The central government has repeatedly tried to suppress Baluch identity. The government has reportedly sent hundreds of Shiite missionaries to convert the predominantly Sunni Baluch. The government has closed, and, in some cases demolished Sunni mosques and religious seminaries. It has also used public education to promote an Iranian national identity, with Shiism as its foundation. Most elementary and high school teachers in Sunni Baluch areas are also reportedly Shiite. Persian is also the sole language of instruction, which disadvantages the Baluch.

    [MORE]

    Some separatist groups have cited discrimination and socioeconomic conditions as the key grievances for their opposition to Tehran. Since 2003, the militant Islamist group Jundallah, or “Soldiers of God,” has fought for Sunni rights. “The only thing we ask of the Iranian government is to be citizens. We want to have the same rights as the Iranian Shiite people. That’s it. We do not want discrimination between Sunnis and Shiites in this country,” founder Abdolmalek Rigi said in an interview with Al-Arabiya in 2008.

    Jundallah has attacked both civilian and government targets. Tehran describes the organization as a radical terrorist and separatist organization backed by its enemies. U.S. officials “secretly encouraged and advised” Jundallah starting in 2005, according to an ABC News report in 2007. But the United States, which designated Jundallah a terrorist organization in 2010, has denied providing support. The group has been less active since Jundallah splintered after Rigi was captured and executed by Iran in 2010. But the movement has spawned several other militant groups, including Jaish ul Adl (JUA), Ansar al Furqan, and Harakat Ansar Iran.

    FarooquiJUA (Army of Justice) was founded in 2012 and began attacking Iranian security forces the following year. It has been the most active Baluch insurgent group in Iran. It has launched suicide bombings, carried out assassinations, taken hostages and laid mines. JUA’s founder and leader is Salahuddin Farooqui (also known as Abdul Rahim Mulazadeh), who comes from the Baluchistan province in Pakistan; he has ties to communities on both sides of the border. JUA uses Pakistan as a base of operations.

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    , @Anonymous
  80. jami says:

    Developments that took place in continental Europe led to the competition among European countries to gain colonies in the Asia.
    One of the most important territories for European governments was India. During the European rivalry for control of India, the adjacent lands became important as access points to that land. One of these areas was Balochestan.
    The British, having been able to cut off their rivals from India, decided to establish a buffer zone along its northwestern border to secure its colony, India. thus the British policy focused on Balochestan extended to Iranian Balochestan on its eastern border.
    With the establishment of Qajar government in Iran, the kings sought to expand their control over the eastern borders of the country. The British government’s attention to Baluchistan as the defense belt of southwestern India and the Qajar kings’ policy focused on Baluchistan, led to a confrontation between the two. At this time, strong British activities let to separation of Baluchistan from Iran as India’s defensive shield.

    Vasco da Gama’s visit from Portugal to India in 1497 paved the way for the establishment of colonies in this land and other parts of Asia. After the Portuguese conquest of India in 1662, the Portuguese government granted the island of Mumbai to King Charles II of England, who transferred the island to the East India Company. The British Empire from the mid-seventeenth century gradually, by force and deception, brought India under its own rule. In this way, the British removed the Portuguese from the competition and took control of the situation.
    In the late 1600s the East India Company was established by order of Queen Elizabeth. The company was gradually able to expand its influence in India and outperform its other competitors. Following the advent of the Industrial Revolution in Europe, the production of goods far exceeded the needs of European markets. In addition, raw materials did not exist in many factories in Europe, therefore, the European countries paid more attention to other lands to meet their demands. One of these lands, was India. India was the land where many European countries sought after.
    Britain, which had dominated India for years and tried to defend it against rivals, suddenly faced with Napoleon who wanted to take India from British.

    Napoleon was aware that Britain’s vital artery was India. He was looking for a way to conquer India, and since Britain was the ruler of the seas, he had no choice but to invade India by land, and this way inevitably passed through Iran. The conquest of India via Iran, Afghanistan, Sindh and Punjab had been recorded repeatedly in history, and the British knew that if they left the door open, the French would easily conquer India.
    The threat of Napoleon’s attack drew the attention of the British government and the East India Company to neighboring India, the routes through which Napoleon’s attack was likely. One of the neighboring lands of India was Baluchistan and as a result of these rivalries between states, this area was important by the colonizers and their competitors in such a way that let to the separation of part of Baluchistan from Iran to protect INDIA from other rivals.
    To conquer India, The Napoleon made the Treaty of Finkenstein with Persia (Iran) in 1807 which formalized the Franco-Persian alliance. One of the provisions of this treaty was the severance of Iran’s relations with the British government and the declaration of war with that country.
    The British government in London panicked and sent representatives to the Iranian court, including Sergeant Malcolm, who was not accepted by the Iranians because of the friendly relationship between Iran and France.
    The danger of Napoleon’s invasion of India through Iran and the rejection of British Ambassador Malcolm by the Iranian court let the East India Company and the British government to identify and explore India’s neighboring territories. where was Baluchistan, as a buffer zone.
    India was so important to the British Empire that some politicians believed that it was impossible for Britain to live without India.
    After 1815 and the alliance of Iran with France, the British government realized that, contrary to previous perceptions, Iran as India’s defensive line was not very reliable. Therefore, London and the British government in India decided to focus their attention on Central Asia and change the defensive wall of India from Iran to Central Asia. Following that in the decade of 1830. There was a growing consensus in Britain that Russia was expanding its territory to the detriment of Iran, the Ottomans, and Central Asia, thus, the idea of ​​the “Great Game” was born. In this plan, Iran as a buffer state against the progress and development of Russia to India was of special strategic importance. They found their defensive barrier in the eastern border areas of Iran, where the central government of Iran did not have a firm policy due to weakness, and this was what the British wanted because they could easily separate strategic areas from Iran according to their plan to achieve a protective belt. Thus, from then, the British was helping Russia to weaken Iran in order to kill two birds with one stone, to preoccupy Russia, weaken Iran and prevent Russia coming towards India.
    Yes, the policy of the evil empire has many victims, the Baloch, the Iranians, Indians, Afghani, Muslims in general to mention few.

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    , @Malla
  81. @nokangaroos

    This doesn’t sound right. Pakistan was well within US sphere of influence at the time – flying U2 spy missions over Russia and such. It makes little sense that the CIA would actively want to hand over Bangladesh to the Indian area of influence which was under the Soviet influence/assistance at the time.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  82. Malla says:
    @FrodoWasAFremen

    Pakistan was built on the common theme of being a land for the various Muslim people of that region, then it might work if they come to common and equitable terms on that basis – easier said than done, right?

    Well, if the Baloch and Pastuns up North break away from Pakistan, Pastuns joining their brothers in Afghanistan, the only major people left will be the Punjabis and Sindhis and other few minorities. That would be a disaster for Pakistan after already having lost East Pakistan/Bangladesh. For this the Punjabi elites need to share more power and wealth with the other ethnic groups.

    India has far less risks as even if the separatists regions left the Union, a large chunk of India would be still left. Personally, I am all for giving Independence to Kashmir, Nagaland etc..
    Kashmir —Independence to the Kashmiri valley Muslims but Hindu majority Jammu and Buddhist majority Ladakh should be separated out. The Government of India has already seperated Ladakh as a new Indian Union territory, which is a right move, the population there are Buddhists who are culturally and racially Tibetan like. They need not be part of this Hindu Muslim fiasco of the predominantly Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid desi racial types. Ladakh could be an independent country like Bhutan.
    Kashmiri Hindus or Pundits be paid compensation as they were kicked out of the valley by Muslim terrorists/ revolutionaries and be settled in Hindu Jammu which will be a part of India. The Kashmiri Muslims of the Valley could join the Kashmiris of Pakistan and determine their fate, Independent country or be part of Pakistan. Also do not forget that, many other populations like Baltistanis (Muslim Tibetans), Kalash (Nordic looking ancient population) etc…do not consider themselves Kashmiris, so a solution needs to be found for them.
    Indian North-East- Should be given Independence, but part of the land of Nagas is under Burmese/Myanmarese control which should be joined up with Indian Nagaland to be given Independence as part of a federal Government of many ethnic groups free of New Delhi rule. Even the Buddhists of the Chittagong Hill tracts of Bangladesh should be given Indpendence of Dhaka’s rule and joined up with this new Independent federal country.
    All Indians/Hindus and Bangladeshis/Muslims (Caucasoid-Australoid hybrid racial types) should be forcefully expelled from the new country of predominantly Mongoloid, Mongoloid-Australoid racial types..
    Sikkim should be given Independence, the descendant of the last Sikkimese King/Chongyal, who was backstabbed by India should be brought back. India should apologize and return the lands of Darjaleeng (now part of West Bengal state of India) to Independent Kingdom of Sikkim. It was taken by the British and given to Bengal, maybe as compensation of a Sikkimese attack on Bengal.

  83. denk says:

    ISIS Easter massacre , Sri Lanka, 2020

    Chinese targets in Easter attacks: fundamental questions unanswered in PCoI Report and other investigations

    Four Chinese marine scientists in Sri Lanka for joint marine exploration lost their lives in the attack on the Kingsbury Hotel. Remarkably, the US and Indian owned, Hilton and Taj Hotels that are next to Shangri-La were untouched

    The economic and geopolitical targets of the attacks seemed designed to send a coded message to China – hands off Sri Lanka’s maritime domain. [1]
    ———————————–
    Police sniffer dogs zeroed in onto an apartment in HIlton hotel.
    Management not cooperative at first, when pressed by police, reluctantly contacted two residents who claimed to be FUS diplomats.
    Two dynamite detectors were found, the sniffer dogs were triggered cuz the device had recent contact with dynamites !
    The case was not pursued further and huffed up by higher authority.

    It was reported that the US Embassy is attempting to hide this incident. But the staff of Jaic Hilton is expecting a reasonable explanation with regard to the incident. Police dogs did their job, but humans neglected their responsibilities. ??

    [2]

    ——————
    [1]
    https://www.unz.com/article/on-ukraine-the-world-majority-sides-with-russia-over-u-s/#comment-5318002

    [2]
    https://thuppahis.com/2019/05/03/explosives-us-embassy-plot-in-colombo-sniffed-out-by-police-dogs/

  84. @Malla

    That would be a disaster for Pakistan after already having lost East Pakistan/Bangladesh. For this the Punjabi elites need to share more power and wealth with the other ethnic groups.

    Yes and yes. I think if the elites weren’t so corrupt, they’d find a way to work it out, but it seems to be a swamp of corruption over there. Theoretically, they have a framework to get it together, but utterly fail in application. Balochistan is a huge chunk of that country so losing it is not really a viable option.

    As far as the rest of your comments about dividing up territories here and there and expelling people here and there in the larger region…well, I don’t really know where to begin since it all sounds good in theory, but I don’t know enough about the various subjects to know if it’ll buy the region centuries of peace or kick off WW3.

  85. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    The “legitimate grievances” of East Pakistan were spelled C-I-A,

    Pakistan then was a staunch American ally, when the Bangladeshi Resistance movement (Shantibahini) took place against Islamabad’s rule. When India decided to intervene on the side of the Bangladeshi rebels, the USA and UK sent naval fleets with air craft carriers to bully India as Pakistan was their ally. Even China was making noises at the border with India on Pakistan’s request. It was the USSR who saved India by dispatching a submarine fleet from Vladivostok and reaching the Indian Ocean before the USA. The USSR even warned China form making any moves against India.
    The Indian Army then moved in, an unstoppable force, forcing the Pakistanis to surrender. 90000 Pakistanis surrendered to the Indian Army and became POWs and Bangladesh was liberated from Pakistani Rule.


    How Indian Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw treated Pakistani POWs of 1971 war

    So it was not CIA. The CIA was helping Pakistan against India. And lost.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  86. @jami

    Napoleon trying to invade India through Iran…damn, what a concept!!! And that guy honestly had the ambition to try it too! I don’t think the French economized their ability to make use of local auxiliaries under French officers like the British did (or even the Ottomans). The Brits were masters at it. Napoleon made it all the way to Syria relying basically on all French troops, but had to turn back because the British got involved.

  87. jami says:
    @Malla

    Only fools and illiterate people trust a think tank funded by the US government to spread their propaganda as ‘facts’.

    This think tank, The UNITED STATES INSTITUTE of PEACE, has been established and FUNDED by the congress and Reagan signed into law to spread PROPAGANDA against its victims using gullible and sell out people for the production of its LIES. Don’t copy and paste these lies here.

    https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2020/aug/06/irans-troubled-provinces-baluchistan

    [The United States Institute of Peace (USIP) is an American federal institution tasked with promoting conflict resolution and prevention worldwide. It provides research, analysis, and training to individuals in diplomacy, mediation, and other peace-building measures.
    Following years of proposals for a national “peace academy”, the USIP was established in 1984 by Congressional legislation signed into law by President Ronald Reagan. ]

    ‘Iranprime’ that link this, is funded by the western intelligence services to spread propaganda. Everyone with shallow knowledge of Iran policy knows this.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Institute_of_Peace

  88. Malla says:
    @jami

    You idiot, if partition is good then whey don’t you allow Catalan, that feeds Spain, to be separated?

    Why only take the example of Spain as a Western country. Why not the UK, which gave the right to Scotland to seek Independence (under the fishface scumbag Salmond)? When will India give the same chance to Kashmir, Indian North East (especailly Nagaland), Khalistan/Punjab to sucede via people’s will? When will Pakistan give the same chance to Balochistan, North West Frontier (Pathans) to sucede via people’s will? When will Iran give the same chance to Kurshistan, Balochistan,etc..to sucede via people’s will? When will Turkey give the same chance to Kurshistan to sucede via people’s will? When will China give the same chance to Tibet, East Turkistan (Xinjiang), Southern Mongolia to sucede via people’s will? When will Indonesia give the same chance to Western Papua (Irian Jaya), Aceh etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Myanmar give the same chance to Karens, Kachinas, Mons etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Nigeria give the same chance to Biafrans/Ibos etc… to sucede via people’s will? When will Kenya give the same chance to Somalis of the North etc… to sucede via people’s will?

    If partition is good, then you terrorists, why don’t you allow Quebec or Scotland to be independent.

    Are you nuts, Scotland was given the chance to be indpendent, the Scots rejected it. This is even when Scotland has most of the North Sea oil of the U.K.

    That’s why the bloody West and its dumb population have tried to keep these countries POOR and WEAK through wars and economic sanctions so it is easy to steal their resources.

    This dumb theory of West “stealing resources and keeping everybody down” was a myth created by the Warsaw Pact Commies to explain to their own people why the populations of the West, including their Working classes were so much more prosperous than those in the Warsaw Pact World. This has been admitted by KGB agent Jack Barsky. This is a continuation of the “Colonies being exploited and market for European goods” bullshit of the Marxists when hey were surprised that their crackpot prophet Marx’s dumb prediction of revolution of the proletariat did not materialize in Industrialized Capitalist societies of Western Europe. The truth is, most non White colonies consumed only a tiny percentage of European goods during colonialism. Most of the trade of Britain for example was with the rest of Europe and the USA. Not only that, but British Indian industrial products was already out-competing British products in the China market. Most of Indian cotton was imported by Japan while Britain used more American cotton. So by that dumb theory, Japan was “colonising-exploiting” India, and Britain was “colonising-exploiting” the USA (in the 1800s after the American War of Independence)!!!What?? Stop with dumb theories.

    do you think Sudan is better now, after bloody partition?

    So you support the North Sudanese Muslims exploiting the Southern Sudanese Christian tribes? Of course you would do that. Why don’t you prater you bullshit in front a big huge, Dinka dude.

    Why don’t you divide the fucking America or British territories into 50 pieces?

    That is what White Nationalists want, to secede from the ZOG Washington regime. Support them.

    the rest of the world is not going to support your parasitic life style in American or Britain.

    Parasitic lifestyle??? What? So is Japan, South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Germany, Finland, Australia etc… all parasitic lifestyle??

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  89. jami says:
    @Malla

    When I wrote:

    [Only a ‘Hindi’ spreads these LIES around. Baloch people are an Iranian people who live mainly in the Balochistan region..]

    I referred to the following lies that you pasted here.

    [What is interesting is that, Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves. Remember this is the early 1900s!! About how those Persian slaves are given the bare minimum to survive and given maximum work by their arrogant Baloch masters.]

    But, your provided paragraphs does not have the lines related to ‘Baloch tribes were raiding and carrying off Persian women & children and selling them as slaves.’

    The reason is that these lines are lies, because Baloch are an Iranian people.

    • Replies: @Malla
  90. Malla says:
    @jami

    You are right, it was inter-European competition which drove European overseas Empires as well as the Russian land Empire (though Russia had other factors, seeking ports and fear of the Steppe invaders in the east). Later, similar insecurities/competitions led to the USA (pre-Ww2) and japan joining in the race.

    Therefore, London and the British government in India decided to focus their attention on Central Asia and change the defensive wall of India from Iran to Central Asia.

    False, both the Russian Empire and the British Empire feared each other moving into their Empires. The Russians feared the British moving into the Central Asian region of the Russian Empire and the British were afraid that because the Russians seeked good ports, the Russians would move into its Indian Empire and take Karachi port. Fun fact: During the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Pakistanis were afraid of the same, of Soviets taking Karachi. Tzarist Russia became USSR and British India became partially Pakistan, geopolitics remains the same. A lot of the issues of Tibet and Afghanistan was because of this Great Game. Nothing abnormal about it.

    Yes, the policy of the evil empire has many victims, the Baloch, the Iranians, Indians, Afghani, Muslims in general to mention few.

    How is Britain an evil Empire, why would it not try to protect it’s empire like any other Empire in history? Indeed the British Empire was the most benevolent Empire in human history for the people who became part of it. There were a few bad chapters but the good done far far far outweighed the bad. It was the British Empire which stamped out slavery in Africa, gave rights to lower caste Hindus and liberated them from Brahman rule, liberated Hindus from brutal Islamic rule, liberated Muslims of Pakistan from Sikh rule etc…
    Why don’t you talk about Persian Emperor Nadir Shah and his invasion and looting of Indian Emperor Mohammed Shah. This was one of the greatest looting of a country in human history. Nader Shah looted out the Peacock Throne of India, thereafter, served as a symbol of Iranian imperial might. It is estimated that Nader took away with him treasures worth as much as seven hundred million rupees. Among a trove of other fabulous jewels, Nader also looted the Koh-i-Noor (meaning “Mountain of Light” in Persian) and Darya-ye Noor (meaning “Sea of Light”) diamonds. The Iranian troops left Delhi at the beginning of May 1739, the booty they had collected was loaded on 700 elephants, 4,000 camels, and 12,000 horses. On Nader’s return to Iran, Sikh warriors fell upon the foreign invader Iranian army and seized some of the loot and freed the slaves in captivity.
    So is Iran still living on the parasitism of ancient looted Indian wealth? Should Iran be asked to pay compensation, wealth gained by taxing of millions of poor Indian farmers toiling in the sun? What if Indian nationalists put a 5% interest and make calculations and come up with figures like \$2000 trillion that Iran would have to pay to India as compensation???

  91. @antibeast

    China’s exports to the USA accounts for just 2% of its GDP today, down from 3% before Trump’s trade wars.

    Thanks for the update.
    It is quite annoying how Murkans keep trying to insist on being the Prima Donna of any event.

    “If we stop buying Chinese goods, the country will collapse”…what a laugh.

    That’s only a side effect of the financial implosion of the USD pyramid scheme as foreign investors dump USD financial assets in favor of non-USD financial assets as much of the US economy has been financialized since the 1980s.

    Fortunately we seem to be at the very cusp of the event. I have been preparing for more than 10 years, and was amazed at how long they managed to keep kicking the can down the road. At last Russia has triggered the sequence of events. Slava Rossiya!

    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @showmethereal
  92. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    It was/is the japs who feel that they were/are superior to the Chinese, AND other Asians!!!

    No they did not, this is typical Chinese bullshit propaganda to cover up their own tracts. There is not a single document which proves this. If the Japanese felt they were superior to other Asians, Indian revolutionary Subhash Chandra Bose would not have made an alliance with them. The Japanese were actually working to end European Empires in Asia. The Japanese did not have any interest in conquering the World, neither did the Germans, all third rate WW2 propaganda.
    The truth is more like the Comentrim in the USSR decided to target Japan and Poland and the CCP took the orders from their White Soviet masters and instigated a war in between the KMT and the Japanese and later with American help (who backstabbed the KMT), took power in China. I have written enough about his, I will not repeat it again.

    That was why the “honourary whites” proceeded to conquer

    This “honourary White” theory is a third rate propaganda by the Chinese, I have explained why Fukuzawa San thought the way he did, his desires for reforms in Asia to take on White race, his pain after the death of his favourite Korean student. There is nothing unique about European Empires, humans have always built Empires and many Empires before the Europeans were far more brutal. How do you explain the Islamic conquests and rape of India? Chinese invasion of Vietnam?

  93. @American Bulwark

    If it’s a known and acceptable practice then it isn’t a scam

    It was acceptable at the original Bretton Woods system when gold was convertible to dollars and vice versa.

    Since then the consent of nations has been abrogated several times by Mafia Don aka USG. Today its continued use by the bullied villagers can only be sustained through the don’s hitman and enforcer aka US Military.

    Now the roller coaster has just been released from its start point. The double digit inflation in the West is just the start of things to come.

  94. @American Bulwark

    Don’t forget about the illegally annexed Hawaii too.
    While we are at it, we can also return North America to the Native Americans/First Nations.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  95. Sisifo says:
    @American Bulwark

    I enjoyed reading your comment and started laughing out loud, then I realized it wasn’t sarcastic.

    I really hope that not many of your fellow Americans share this twisted vision of the world.

    • LOL: Dream
  96. @FrodoWasAFremen

    The fact of Agency interference is established, as well as the British mercs;
    I can only assume their target was the British sphere of influence.

  97. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Wrong, most Indians believe that the original Aryans were Indians and went and civilized the World. All civilization comes from India. Interestingly the first person to put out this theory was a British Colonel in the British Indian Army, Colonel Olcott.

  98. @Malla

    I have always wondered why India holds so fast to Nagaland –
    a useless jungle full of fetid insurgents (or so), good only as a training ground for
    the armed forces – unless they have designs on Burma (read: Arakan*).
    Restoring Sikkim would remove the major friction point with China;
    (of course the India/Bangla border – based solely on the Right to Eat Cow –
    is one of the most famously idiotic in the world, rivalled only by Baarle-Hertog).
    Leaving the Nagas (and the associated ulcers) to the Burmese would simplify things
    a lot, as well as benefit the mountain tribes (+/- independence).

    *Arakan now being a flashpoint between the US and China it is better not to be there
    anyway, unless India still believes in the Andaman Fortress.

    • Replies: @Malla
  99. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    unfortunately, Islam has fcuked up their heads so much that there’s no hope for them except be a mine pit for China and an opium farm for Pakis to get rich.

    But at least Islam protects them from Cultural Marxism. Western women are twerking their ass to ghetto thugs. So I do not know what to say. If the West was like it was more traditional, like during the 50’s at least, we would have a point.

  100. Kali says:
    @Realist

    That is an excellent idea…unfortunately easier said than done.

    I have found over the years that it is often only the idea of a task which seems daunting, Realist, but as soon as we lay aside fear of failure or that feeling of undertaking a seemingly overwhelming task, and begin taking those small actions, those little steps toward independance, things are seldom as overwhelming as we feared.

    Simple actions like printing/posting flyers throughout our neigbourhoods suggesting garden-sharing for food growing, skill-sharing workshops, and other such community-strengthening activities, generate a surprising level of interest and support. And, as long as we are mature enough to keep our egos in check, that interest can be maintained and grow.

    When we start small, things are easier. When we try to fix everything all at once, or imagine we have to, then inertia all too easily sets in.

    I have also found that work that seems daunting, difficult or overwelming before one begins is actually a lot easier than the imagination of it.

    I speak as an (almost) middle-aged woman currently undertaking the task of bringing several newly cleared mountain terraces into production; landscaping using only hand tools; breaking new ground by sheer will-power and enxhada (indespensable digging tool); building hugleculture beds by hand… etc. (I tell folks I only make it look easy, but the truth is, it is all easier than it looks once one gets going.)

    The point is that, as difficult as we may imagine the task at hand to be, the actual doing of it – step by step, day by day, flyer by flyer – is much easier and much simpler than our over-active minds (not to be confused with interlect) would have us believe.

    I hope you are encuraged to take the first small step, whatever it may be, Realist.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Thanks: IreneAthena
    • Replies: @Realist
  101. Malla says:
    @denk

    While CIA/MI6/ASIO are globe trottling terrorists, in South Asia they often partner with RAW.

    RAW is evul but the ISI is pure. LOL.
    There is a Wikipedia entry
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_state-sponsored_terrorism
    Pakistan and state-sponsored terrorism

    The ISI, has often been accused of playing a role in major terrorist attacks across India including terrorism in Kashmir,[42][43] the July 2006 Mumbai Train Bombings,[44] the 2001 Indian Parliament attack,[45] the 2006 Varanasi bombings,[46] the August 2007 Hyderabad bombings,[47][48] and the November 2008 Mumbai attacks.[49][50]

    The ISI is also accused of supporting Taliban forces[51] and recruiting and training mujahideen[51][52] to fight in Afghanistan[53][54] and Kashmir.[54] Based on communication intercepts, US intelligence agencies concluded Pakistan’s ISI was behind the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul on 7 July 2008, a charge that the governments of India and Afghanistan had laid previously.[55]

    The Pakistani intelligence agency, the ISI, is believed to be aiding these organisations in eradicating perceived enemies or those opposed to their cause, including India, Russia, China, Israel, the United States, the United Kingdom and other members of NATO.[56]
    China’s best friend. Birds of a feather. LOL

    Even Bangladesh is pissed with the Pakistani ISI

    “Bangladesh
    In two separate incidents officials of the Pakistani High Commission in Dhaka, were alleged to be financing the terrorist activities of the banned Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh (JMB) organization. Diplomatic official Mazhar Khan was charged by Bangladesh’s foreign ministry of running an illegal Indian currency business in Dhaka beside alleged links with militants. However, Pakistan’s foreign office maintains that allegations against him are baseless and the incident is unfortunate.[150]

    In December 2015, Pakistan decided to withdraw second secretary Farina Arshad after the Bangladeshi authorities asked the diplomat to leave for reportedly having “extended financial support to a suspected militant who faces spying charges.” JMB operative Idris Sheikh, who also holds Pakistani nationality had claimed he had received money from her and was in contact with her for some time.[151] Pakistan has withdrawn one of its diplomats from Bangladesh after “harassment”, the foreign ministry said. A formal statement from Islamabad dismissed the charges as “baseless”, adding: “an incessant and orchestrated media campaign was launched against her on spurious charges”[15”]

    MOSSAD might also has interest in Pak , the only Muslim country with nukes .

    Say nice things about your friends.
    http://www.news.cn/english/2021-11/17/c_1310316894.htm\
    Xi says China to continue promoting relationship with Israel – Xinhua

  102. Kali says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    and wonder did you receive it ?

    To be sure Uncle Arthur, it was there in my junk folder all along. Thank you for this message or I might have missed it altogether.

    I will reply later today or tomorrow from my proton account. Not sure what I can do about the pool thing, but afternoon tea and a cooling mountain breeze are specialities of the house. ☺

    Thank you for the music!! ❤

    Much love,
    Kali.

  103. @FrodoWasAFremen

    Yes the Kurds are a very good analogy… it would also appear that just like the west tries to use the Kurds against others – it is doing the same thing in this case. Like the Kurds these ppl aren’t smart enough to know they will be left high and dry when they are no longer of use to the west.

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  104. @Bardon Kaldian

    So wait – now blacks are responsible for stripping culture too??? Before I saw the light – and used to attend those things in the US based on invitation I rarely ever saw a black patron nor black stripper. The men were mostly middle aged white corporate types and the dancers were mainly Eastern European women. The owners were most assuredly not white either. Matter of fact most of the ones that became synonymous with “ghetto culture” were not owned by any minority either… they were owned by white organized crime… and I’m not guessing about that one. You know – kind of like the heroin trade (which admittedly did get infiltrated by the Hong Kong organized crime also). Like street gangs and the drug trade – blacks followed whites into the stripping and porn industries and turned it into pop culture – but they certainly didn’t start any of the above.
    Nor are Pakistani men any more creepy than their neighboring countries (those men in that video sure do have evil intent in their eyes). Take a pill of western women and ask them if they felt safer alone in Pakistan or India. Let me know the results. Going by my own anecdotal evidence I can guess.

    • Replies: @Malla
  105. @showmethereal

    Truth is always painful but it’ll set you free!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  106. @littlereddot

    Hawaiians were savages before the White man showed up but Tibetans were NOT savages but peaceful Buddhists. You Chinese were savages!

  107. antibeast says:
    @littlereddot

    “If we stop buying Chinese goods, the country will collapse”…what a laugh.

    They are not ‘Chinese’ but AMERICAN goods albeit made or assembled in China such as Apple’s iPhones, DELL PCs, CISCO routers, etc. If Americans stop buying those AMERICAN goods, then those AMERICAN companies will collapse. Those AMERICAN goods account for 50% of China’s exports to the USA with the rest made up of intermediate goods such as fabricated metals, auto parts, electronics subsystems, mechanical components, etc. which are sold to US manufacturing industries. In both cases, US importers and US manufacturers pay the import tariffs imposed by the Trump Administration on China’s exports to the USA, not the Chinese factories hired to manufacture those AMERICAN goods or intermediate goods. This was the reason why Tim Cook asked then President Trump not to impose 25% tariffs on Apple’s iPhones imported from China because Apple would lose market share to Samsung whose consumer electronics products are assembled in and exported out of Vietnam. Chinese manufacturers such as OPPO, Vivo, Xiaomi, etc., comprise the top ten smartphone brands in the world but they don’t sell to the US market. So Trump’s Tariffs didn’t affect them at all but Trump’s Tech ban against Huawei did push them to use smartphone chipsets from Taiwan-based Mediatek instead of US-based Qualcomm.

    Fortunately we seem to be at the very cusp of the event. I have been preparing for more than 10 years, and was amazed at how long they managed to keep kicking the can down the road. At last Russia has triggered the sequence of events. Slava Rossiya!

    The USD pyramid scheme has been going on for five decades now since Kissinger sold ‘put’ options on the Petrodollar to the Arab Sheikdoms. Anybody using the Petrodollar System loses money over time due to USD inflation caused by the US Federal Reserve System. Now Putin wants to kill the Petrodollar by selling ‘put’ options on the Petroruble to the EU, China and India which poses an existential threat to the USD Empire of the US Federal Reserve System which is enforced by the presence of 900+ US military bases worldwide. But Russia possesses 6,000 nuclear warheads which can be delivered by hypersonic missiles to any destination worldwide. That’s what’s keeping the Pentagon’s top brass from directly attacking Russia in the aftermath of the War in Ukraine.

    • Thanks: littlereddot
  108. Che Guava says:
    @American Bulwark

    You may be correct, but after several minutes of searching, the only point that came up is that Khan has accepted responsibility for a bastard daughter, from a different woman, earlier.

    You may be correct, but if so, Pakis would also be correct to distrust Khan’s progeny with Goldsmith, they have automatic dual citizenship, so can do whatever crap they want, as long as they get to ‘Israel’ ahead of any consequences.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  109. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The truth is more like the Comintern in the USSR decided to target Japan and Poland and the CCP took the orders from their White Soviet masters and instigated a war in between the KMT and the Japanese and later with American help (who backstabbed the KMT), took power in China.

    Chiang backstabbed the CCP which he expelled from the KMT, not the other way around. No, Soviet Comintern agents wanted the CCP to join the KMT which was the Soviet condition for supporting the ROC. The KMT received American help not the CCP which had to help itself with Japanese weapons left-behind by the Soviet Red Army in Manchuria.

    I have written enough about his, I will not repeat it again.

    You should apply for a job in Bollywood as a scriptwriter for Science Fiction movies.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  110. @showmethereal

    It might have left the Kurds, for the time being, high and dry due to the ongoing geopolitical reasons but the American intervention has left many in the neighborhood in a weakened position, e.g. Turkey, Iraq and Iran.

    Likewise, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran will be adversely affected when the outsiders begin to take serious interest in Balochistan.

    Unfortunately, Iran will be most affected since they will face the double whammy of the Kurds wanting independence and now the Balochis too agitating for the same.

    So, in the long run, the Kurds and the Balochis will have weakened enemies all around them, Chinese interference notwithstanding.

  111. @Malla

    A typical Indian Whites/japs-fetishist spits out “bullshit propaganda to cover up his own tracts” again. The japs caused hundreds, even thousands, times more in damage to the Chinese people, and nation, than all the rest of the imperialists combined.

    This was what happened in Manila:

    http://www.battlingbastardsbataan.com/som.htm

    “Women were raped and sliced with bayonets from groin to throat and left to bleed to death in the hot sun.

    “Children were seized by the legs and had their heads bashed against the wall. Babies were tossed into the air and caught on bayonets. Unborn fetuses were gouged out with bayonets from pregnant women.”

    What the japs did in China was a thousand times greater in scale and intensity. The japs owe similar blood debts to the peoples of Southeast Asia.

    Since “many Empires before the Europeans were far more brutal”, Why then did the “Indian revolutionary Subhash Chandra Bose” even bothered to “made an alliance with” the japs to fight the British– an European– empire that was, according to you, NOT that “brutal”?!! Does it ever occur to you that the jap leadership and Bose were using each other against the Brits, their common enemy?! Do you REALLY expect me to believe that all Indians, and Bose was one, are Saints?

    The Indians were lucky enough to live just a bit too far for the japs to reach them and they can afford to play japs fetishim for their own enjoyment– like what you are doing.

    The Japanese were actually working to end European Empires in Asia. The Japanese did not have any interest in conquering the World, neither did the Germans, all third rate WW2 propaganda.

    Of course, “The Japs were actually working to end European Empires in Asia” so that they themselves could take over their loots. It was also true that “The Japs did not have any interest in conquering the World,” but they had the interest to conquer East and Southeast Asia and even had their eyes on India. So did the Germans with regards to Europe. The japs, and germans, KNEW that they did NOT have the power to conquer the WHOLE world!

    Yours is all 4th rate white/jap fetish talk!

    “The truth is” that every red-blood Chinese wanted to fight the jap aggressors/invaders against China. They did not need to “take the orders from their White Soviet masters” to do so. That the Chinese chose to be on the side of the Allies was because they all had the SAME enemy in East Asia.

    Indian psychic is very funny. In an earlier thread, I merely stated that the murrikans were taking advantage of the Sino-Indian differences to “stir the pot” both in 1962 and during the recent clash in Galwan Valley, which is true, and you got all red-hot under the neck because of that and accused me of suggesting that India was/is a client of the US– something I did NOT do!!! And now you EXPLICITLY state that the “CCP took the orders from their White Soviet masters!!!” Do the Indians ever take a look at themselves in the mirror in the morning?!

    How do you explain the Islamic conquests and rape of India? Chinese invasion of Vietnam?

    How, how and how… do “Islamic conquests and rape of India, or Chinese invasion of Vietnam” EXCLUDE the possibility that the japs conquered, raped,… the peoples all across East and Southeast Asia, whom they considered as inferior???!!!

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  112. Anonymous[345] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    After a period of Hellenisation during the Seleucid Empire, Balochistan came under rule of the Mauryan dynasty from India, forming its westernmost fringe. Next came the Scythians, known popularly as the Saka, after whom Sistan get its name (old Shakastan). They were followed by the Parthians, the Kushans and the Sassanids. Till this time, Balochistan had a mixed Hindu-Buddhist culture, as mentioned by the Chinese monk Xuanzang in his travel memoirs. In the seventh century, defeat of the Sassanids brought in Arab rule, and Islam was introduced in the region, which has since shaped the culture of this land. Even after this time, the Makran coast of Balochistan was considered the westernmost expanse of India, as mentioned by Al Biruni in Alberuni’s India, written in the eleventh century. During the Safavid period, Makran coast of Balochistan had many Portuguese outposts, who had established a vast maritime empire in the Indian Ocean. The Portuguese brought over Africans bought from Arab slavers. These slaves, later on, were released and absorbed within the local population, mostly among Balochis living along the Makran coast. They call this group nokar (servants), emphasising their non-Balochi origin.

    Today Balochis in Iran are getting affected by Sunni Wahabism. Older generations had mostly Iranian names, but names given to the new generation are almost entirely Arabic. Nowroz and other Iranian festivals which were earlier celebrated, are now rejected as non-Islamic culture, influenced by Wahhabi ideologies. Sunni Balochis are not fans of the moral values of the rest of non-Muslim/Shia Muslims of Iran, and they regard the freedom of other Iranian women—in comparison to Balochi women— the result of the lack of manliness of their male relatives.
    Older generations had mostly Iranian names, but names given to the new generation are almost entirely Arabic. Nowroz and other Iranian festivals which were earlier celebrated, are now rejected as non-Islamic culture, influenced by Wahhabi ideologies. Balochi people, forming only a small portion of Iran’s population (they are only two per cent of Iran’s population) and due to their unfavorable location on a volatile border with Pakistan, did not actively take part in the political movements of Iran. However, due to increased communication through social media, understanding among the Balochis and other Iranians has increased in recent times. But being from the Sunni sect of Islam, Balochis remain vulnerable to Wahhabi influence, which is hardline, regressive and intolerant. This has hampered efforts in building confidence with the Shia-dominated central government, and Balochistan remains neglected and underdeveloped.

    Lacking industry, the source of income of the people in the region is from agriculture, animal husbandry, handicrafts and business, at times, governmental jobs. Fishing in the Gulf of Oman is the mainstay for the people residing along the Makran coast, which stretches into Pakistan, all the way to Karachi. However, drought and flood periodically destroy agriculture, bringing great hardship for the locals. The region is deprived of necessary facilities like hospitals, schools and drinking water. Communication between the Balochis and other Iranians is limited to tourism, or through business in Chabahar port. Many from the province have left the country to migrate to neighboring Oman or some other developed countries of the Persian Gulf in search of better economic opportunities.

  113. @Che Guava

    The Khan progeny, like all rich pakis, will only look out for themselves, after all, they must have inherited a great deal of ‘business’ genes from Jemima the Jewess.

    • Agree: Che Guava
  114. jami says:
    @Malla

    [Why not the UK, which gave the right to Scotland to seek Independence …]

    British never give the right to Scotland to separate unless they are forced to. The reason that UK can afford to allow the process go forward is that UK knows very well that Scotland is not ready to separate, doing a lot of political work under the table to postpone the separation. The day UK realizes that has no control over the process, then the ‘Ireland method’ will be applied to Scotland. Only the fools think UK has been the most benevolent empire. They have killed millions of people, majority are Muslims. Britain, US and their dogs, Israel and Saudi Arabia, have been working to partition Iran for the benefit of the west, including the zionist mass murderers, for many decades. The last territory separated from Iran by the British was BAHRAIN in 1971 during the Shah. Since then the criminal West has spend billions of dollars to partition Iran through WAR and illegal SANCTIONS. They have spent BILLIONS of dollars to hire traitors, funded many think tanks to spread propaganda war to fool the public, but they have not been successful. This does not mean that they may not get the favorite result one day. They may or may not. These illegal criminal activities of the terrorist states, like UK, US, Israel, will cause a lot of damages, keeping a lot of resources away from the development projects that benefit the people onto stopping the enemies.
    China was lucky to have Soviet Union around, so the west focused on Russia and left China alone. That’s why China was able to develop itself, but India remained as a colony of the west where cannot come close to China, although the west, especially UK, protected its ‘jewel’ at all times. No sanctions on the colony of zionist and racist India, due to ‘good’ behavior.
    How many years, do you think people can resist against these savages and their terrorist activities?
    Iran has to use many tools to destroy these evil forces and people of Iran will cooperate when they are given the facts about their enemies. UK, US, Israel, Saudi Arabia can go and destroy themselves by pushing others until the people go against them.

    [This dumb theory of West “stealing resources and keeping everybody down” was a myth created by the Warsaw Pact Commies to explain to their own people why the populations of the West, including their Working classes were so much more prosperous than those in the Warsaw Pact World.]

    Only gullible people who have benefited from serving the empire come with such a silly statement. Everyone with shallow knowledge of the British empire knows the reasons behind the ‘ Opium Wars’ and looting of China by British and Jewish Sassoon family. The evil British empire used the fertile lands in India, Afghanistan, Iran, China to plant opium to force it upon the people as ‘currency’ to get their resources out of these countries back to Britain, yet the use of opium was outlawed in the UK. This policy was the reason behind famine and starvation in these countries where let millions of people dead. Today, the US empire does the same in Afghanistan to make millions of dollars to pay for its illegal wars against the indigenous population.
    So much for the goodness of the EVIL empire like UK and US.

    The British empire is responsible for millions of deaths in Iran during the WWI, yet they deny to recognize it. We hold them responsible and at the right moment will force them to pay reparation for their crimes against humanity.
    People who are interested to know about the British genocide in Iran, can read the following book by Mohammad Majd:
    ‘The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, 1917-1919’

    [Mohammad Gholi Majd argues that Persia was the greatest victim of World War One and also the victim of possibly the worst genocide of the twentieth century. Using U.S. State Department records, as well as Persian and British sources, Majd describes and documents a veritable holocaust about which practically nothing has been written.]

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    , @Malla
  115. Realist says:
    @Kali

    Yours is an encouraging attitude…but the Deep State will not be amused.

    • Replies: @IreneAthena
    , @Kali
  116. Malla says:
    @jami

    British never give the right to Scotland to separate unless they are forced to.

    This is the dumbest bullshit I have heard. UK gave all the right to Scotland to leave. Take your diseased head out of your diseased ass.

    Only the fools think UK has been the most benevolent empire.

    No Britain as a benevolent Empire is fact.

    They have killed millions of people, majority are Muslims.

    Hindus believe British and Muslims ganged up to kill Hindus. Everybody has some idiotic theory.

    That’s why China was able to develop itself, but India remained as a colony of the west

    This proves you are a low IQ monkey. India was a staunch ally of the USSR till the very end, Pakistan was pro USA and even China collaborated with the USA after the Sino Soviet split. India in 1945 after independence was far more developed than China thanks to the British Empire. Even today India has opposed the West and supported Russia. There are no sanctions on India because India is too important for everybody than your shitty tiny Iran.

    Everyone with shallow knowledge of the British empire knows the reasons behind the ‘ Opium Wars’ and looting of China by British and Jewish Sassoon family. The evil British empire used the fertile lands in India, Afghanistan, Iran, China to plant opium to force it upon the people as ‘currency’ to get their resources out of these countries back to Britain, yet the use of opium was outlawed in the UK.

    Does your low IQ monkeyness have no bounds. Arabs have been selling Opium from the 7th century to China. What does Sassoon, a Bagdadi Jew has to do with the British? Persia and Ottoman Empire were some of the largest opium producers in the World along with the British India. Opium was a state monopoly of the earlier Mughal Government of India even before the British. Even before the British, India was exporting opium as Indian opium was of superior quality. The Opium war was because the Chinese Emperor threw European/Indian opium in the sea without any warning, the Chinese Emperor looked upon the Europeans as barbarians anyways. China itself was producing 10 times the opium than it was importing but Bengal opium was superior in quality than anything produced in China at that time (later the smart Chinese improvised and grew superior Opium too). All the revenues generated out of Opium came to India not Britain. Half of Bombay was built on opium money. And no, farmers were not forced to grow opium in Bengal and it did not cause famines. Indeed Indian contractors were exploiting Indian farmers and to prevent that, the British Indian Government nationalized the enterprise to stop abuse. Opium was grown after other crops were grown. There were far more famines in India before the British, indeed if there is one power who has done to stop famines in India, it is the British Empire. the British Empire increased irrigation enormously, built railways to transport food, famine codes, irrigation codes. It is during late British period, famines nearly disappeared from India, which never happened in millennia earlier. And even when the British in Bengal were exporting opium, Indian kingdoms free of the British were exporting opium to China via the Central Asian route.

    Today, the US empire does the same in Afghanistan to make millions of dollars to pay for its illegal wars against the indigenous population.

    The US Empire is not the same as the prre-WW2 European Empires. Indeed the USA (Wall Street) funded anti-Colonial “revolutionaries” in Africa. Nobody has done more to destroy European Colonial Empires than the USA (Wall Street bankers)

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    , @Anonymous
    , @denk
  117. Dream says:

    Turkey seems to be having lots of problems with Pakistanis, Afghans and Arabs.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  118. Malla says:
    @jami

    People who are interested to know about the British genocide in Iran, can read the following book by Mohammad Majd:
    ‘The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia, 1917-1919’

    Oh please, this third rate book written by a leftard Professor in a Western Commie University has been debunked. I have personally debunked one more third rate book by some crack pot named Davis.
    Ervand Abrahamian comments that the book by Majd includes an “exaggerated discussion” of losses during the famine, a view he shares with Mahmood Messkoub, Abbas Milani and Rudi Matthee. Abrahamian describes calling the famine a genocide as “wild accusation” and attributes the vast majority of the 2 million deaths he estimates to cholera and typhus epidemics, as well as mostly worldwide influenza pandemic. While accepting that the total death toll could be several millions, Hormoz Ebrahimnejad says Majd’s figure is an overestimation.

    Irish historian Cormac Ó Gráda, discussing the difficulty of verifying the death toll of historical famines, describes the claim of genocide as “not possible to take literally”: “Such claims are usually rhetorical, and sure signs of major disasters, but poor guides to actual mortality.” A similar view is expressed by Alidad Mafinezam and Aria Mehrabi, who state that Majd’s work suffers from serious methodological defects.

    Two major grain producing areas of Iran, namely Kermanshah–Hamadan and Azarbaijan were the battlefield between the Ottomans and the Russians, the British were not even involved.

    We hold them responsible and at the right moment will force them to pay reparation for their crimes against humanity.

    We 1.2 billion Indians (1/6th of humanity) hold Persia responsible for the deaths in a famine in 1877 when the Persians arrogantly refused to export food to the starving masses of India.
    Iranians arrogantly refused to allow food to be exported to Madras in 1877 during famine which led to the death of millions, when millions of Indians desperately needed food. The Chinese bought the Vietnamese surplus, they had a larger famine themselves.
    At the right moment will force Iranians to pay reparation for their crimes against humanity.
    Thank You.

    And by the way, when will, Iran pay back India for the grand looting and theft of Indian wealth by Iranian thug Nadir Shah? 5% interest may bring up the figure to about \$ 2000 trillion. Iranians looted our ancestors, need to pay back one day. And Indian Nationalists, of a 1.2 billion Indian nation will make sure, it is paid.

    • Replies: @jami
    , @Kang
  119. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    So wait – now blacks are responsible for stripping culture too??

    Cant you read properly. Do you lack brains or black eyes or both? Definitely one of them. We are talking about “making it rain”, not stripping. Raining money on women by dumb men. Check out that video of the Pakistani woman (Post 34), is there any stripping? No right, But there is raining of notes. That is common among blacks in the USA. That is what I and Bardon Kaldian have been discussing before you barged in with a dumb comment. One Indian friend of mine (topped IIT and now a Professor at Stanford) was shocked how blacks in the USA mimic lower class, low IQ, Indian/Pakistani behaviour sometimes.

    Making it rain with notes. Check out the similarity with the Pakistani thug dudes in Post 34 video.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  120. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    A typical Indian Whites/japs-fetishist spits out “bullshit propaganda to cover up his own tracts” again

    What tracks do I have to cover?? LOL.

    This was what happened in Manila:

    Highly respected Indian Judge Radhabinod Pal at the kangaroo Tokyo trials who was the most neutral, came to the conclusion that most of these atrocity were highly exaggerated and part of WW2 propaganda. He concluded that the United States had clearly provoked the war with Japan and expected Japan to act. He argued that “Even contemporary historians could think that ‘as for the present war, the Principality of Monaco, the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, would have taken up arms against the United States on receipt of such a note (Hull note) as the State Department sent the Japanese Government on the eve of Pearl Harbor.’”

    As far as atrocities, the Japanese wanted to remove all Western rule over Asia, indeed they had gone psychotic over it (like you guys now a days) . They considered both Western Colonialism and Communism as foreign detrimental imports to Asia and wanted them scrubbed. Those Asians who supported them were considered allies and brothers in the struggle and those Asians who opposed them, were considered despicable, traitors to Asian cause and thus subhumans. Indian POW of the British Indian Army who refused to speak against the Empire and kept supporting the Empire were treated brutally as traitors and slaves of Whitey. Many Indians refused to go against their King Emperor (the Monarch of Britain was shared by India as out King Emperor), who was very popular in India and Indian martial races would fight and die for their Emperor. They were considered traitors to Asia and ill treated as subhumans. But those Indians who joined them in the cause of remove Western influences, were treated as brothers in arms and equals. No need to swear loyalty to Japan or Japanese Empire, just accept the Asian cause.
    The writings of many anti-colonial Indian revolutionaries of the Indian National Army attest to this. Check out this video, of a serial made on diaries of anti-colonial revolutionaries of the Indian National Army. 90000 Indian soldiers of the British Imperial Army was forced to surrender to 30000 troops of the Japanese Imperial Army. This is a scene from that.

    At 0.44 seconds, the Japanese commander asks the Indian POW if he respects Ganjisan or Mr. Gandhi. The Indian POW does not understand and denies it, the Japanese commander kicks him and beats him. Later one Indian man comes and explains that if they respect and support gandi or thus oppose British Empire in Asia. When the Indian POWs later agree that they respect Gandhi and are his friends, the Japanese Commander bows down to them in respect. This explains everything.

    In the next video, towards the end of the video, the allies drop leaflets on the Indian soldiers of the INA supporting the Japanese Empire, that the “evul” Japanese will “never respect you and treat you like slaves”. Typical third rate Chinese, American level low grade monkey propaganda and lies. The Indians know this is lies and do not take it seriously.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  121. Rayaleast says:
    @American Bulwark

    That was easy, can you stop the facade and change your name to pajeet? You were trying a bit tooo hard to be all American.

    The racially pure Hindu is a joke idea in theory and practice… you all lust over white skin and genetic diversity anyway…an inherently schizoid people who have inferiority and superiority complexes at the same time.

    The South asian historical story only IMPROVES with other races, silly.

    • LOL: showmethereal
    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  122. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Does it ever occur to you that the jap leadership and Bose were using each other against the Brits, their common enemy?

    Bullshit. CCP interpretation of things. The Japanese were preparing Java for Independence, I know this as fact. Many South East Asian and South Asian anti colonial revolutionaries thanked Japan.

    In an earlier thread, I merely stated that the murrikans were taking advantage of the Sino-Indian differences to “stir the pot” both in 1962 and during the recent clash in Galwan Valley,

    The USA had nothing to do with the 1962 war. Nehru and the Americans could not get along with each other. India blames China for invading Indian territory. 1.2 billion Indians bbelieve that. You have your nationalists and we have ours.

    The Indians were lucky enough to live just a bit too far for the japs to reach them and they can afford to play japs fetishim for their own enjoyment–

    LMFAO. What a cluelass asshole. My friend, go to the villages of India, if God was to come on Earth, poor villages with their little wealth would put in in God’s feet and bang their heads and pray to God to send the evil, abnormal country of China far far far away from our beloved India. Milliosn would pray. Indians would donate their blood their kidneys if by magci China would go far away from India.
    Not me personally, I like China and believe China is not anti-India as most Indian Nationalists think. But you have your Wumaos and we have ours. We have our Nationalists who for a 10000000% believe China is pure evil and wants to harm glorious India. millions of percent convinced. You have your Wumaos, we have ours. But not me personally.

    “CCP took the orders from their White Soviet masters!!

    The Soviets were instrumental in creating the CCP and most people in the Soviet Union were White.

    That the Chinese chose to be on the side of the Allies was because they all had the SAME enemy in East Asia.

    Bull, the USA was pro China from the very beginning of WW2. Indeed the American embargo on Japan was because of China. Murican Christian missionaries, even if they were treated like dogs by the Chinese, were instigating churches in the USA against Japan for China. But Christians can be suicidal that ways.

    but they had the interest to conquer East and Southeast Asia and even had their eyes on India. So did the Germans with regards to Europe.

    Bull, China’s earlier takeover of French Indo-China was because of the invitation of the Vichy French Government and the Japanese went there to cut supplies to the Chinese after the war with the KMT had started (instigated). Later after the sanctions, the Japanese had to go to Dutch East Indies/ Indonesia to get oil, thank the Americans for their shitty sanctions. The Imperial Japanese Army was thinking of the USSR but the Imperial Japanese Navy of South East Asia to get oil. The Japanese should have invaded the USSR from the East because wily Stalin invaded Japanese Empire anyways after first signing a non aggressive pact with Japan, attacked Japan when it suited him, and with the support of the Muricans!!! Resultant, Korea is today divided (which benefits China, hehe). One more reason to go further into South East Asia, i.e. Burma or Myanmar was to cut supply lines from the British and Americans to the Chinese who was at war with Japan. it was this supply lines and presence of Allied troops which was partly responsible for the Bengal famine. Millions of Indians died so China could be supplied. Similarly Germany had no desire to conquer Europe. Austria was German anyways, Czechoslovakia and Poland had German minorities, after the British and French declared war on Germany, Germany had to conquer Northern Europe, had to conquer Sweden to get steel, had to go to Balkans and Greece to support Italy (more ambition Roman Empire 2.0 than ability) and later the USSR in a Preemptive strike (along with 5 other nations including Hungary and Romania) as the Soviets were gonna attack Western Europe anyways. And remember, even if Hitler was “evul” , your Communist hero Stalin signed a treaty with the Nazis. the British Imperialist Churchill refused to make peace with the Nazis till the end (his Jewish masters would not allow that but that is a different story) So get this straight, Commies made alliance with Nazis, British Imperialists refused to do so. How is that?
    Germany and Japan wanted to conquer the World was common WW2 propaganda which many people still believe. Neither had any plans.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  123. Rayaleast says:

    The idea of “ancient indian civilisation” really needs to be questioned, the words together make no sense, it’s pathetic.
    look at india now and the last 1000 years, what are we left with, doesn’t that answer pretty much everything.

    No wonder Indians get excitable in threads like these, a lot to cover up.

    The Hindu mind is so jealous of China, they believe their own mythology and wonder why they are not China…its because China is actually a proper civilisation!

    • LOL: Malla
    • Replies: @anonyms
  124. d dan says:
    @Malla

    “The Opium war was because the Chinese Emperor threw European/Indian opium in the sea without any warning,”

    100% lies. Opium was declared illegal by several Chinese Emperors’ decrees before Opium Wars. The British ignored them and actively tried to bypass the ban. And even assume your lies are correct (they aren’t) – that Chinese Emperor unilaterally destroyed British opium without warning – did it justify to send war ships halfway around the world, start multiple wars, bomb cities, destroy cultural sites, steal treasures and kill Chinese ?

    I am not interested to reply to the tons of BS from a certified house nigger for the West and now, official Japanese bootlicker.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @jami
  125. @Dream

    Turkey had no business in South Asia but now it’s coming back to haunt you and someday it’ll haunt the Arabs too. Turks should be Christians like their Greek cousins and Pakis should be Hindus etc like their cousins in India and only the Arabs should be Muslims because their Allah knew that those no good louts were incorrigible and therefore he told Mo to straighten them out with harsh Islam where as South Asian were already gentle but introducing Islam has had the opposite effect in that those who converted to the creed of the Bedou is just as rabid as that desert beast, e.g. Taliban.

    • Replies: @anonyms
  126. Malla says:
    @jami

    I referred to the following lies that you pasted here

    Read the book, moron.
    Link posted in Post 61 of this page which writes about this.
    Baloch might be an Iranian people but are not Persians proper. Tajicks are an Iranian people too. Hell even Pathans/Pastuns are an Iranian people.

  127. @Rayaleast

    You can call me Prajeet or whatever you like and if I am not White and trying to act like one then so be it and I can tell you that it beats wanting to be a sand nigger that you’re or do you prefer to be just a plain old paki … it’s isn’t about either Hindu or Paki niggas that these threads are exciting but rather it’s to do with China vs US. Let me know if you have more inspiration that can excite my fancy…

    • Replies: @Malla
  128. jami says:
    @Malla

    [Ervand Abrahamian comments that the book by Majd includes an “exaggerated discussion” of losses during the famine, a view he shares with Mahmood Messkoub, Abbas Milani and Rudi Matthee.]

    You are a gullible person who knows shit about Iranian history and the Iranian agents of the western intelligence services. Ervand Abrahamian is a historian but he used to work with the ‘Iran opposition’ groups signing petition after petition against Iran when a religious person in iran FART. Of course, he stopped doing it after his realization of the goal of the west. Abrahamian is a left Trotskyite.

    However, Abbas Milani is a traitor anti Iranian, who is a CIA asset. During the Shah era, he was a Moaist, then turned against people and became part of Iranian elite giving services to the west. Then he excaped to California working with the CIA and Israel Lobby. He, along with the zionist and terrorist agents such as Irwin Cotler, Mark Dubowitz and Payam Akhavan, goes to US and Canadian parliaments begging for more sanctions against Iranian people for ‘regime change’. Only the enemy of Iranian people uses such figures to refute the facts against the evil British empire.

    How many decades did the west deny Armenian genocide for their puppet country Turkey? of course with the help of a member of the Jewish mafia figure such as Bernard Lewis? They denied the genocide for a century and still Turkish authorities do not want to accept, but the truth came out. The Iranian people will hold these British and their supporters who have benefited from the British crimes against humanity, responsible. The truth will come out soon.
    The British occupied Iran during the WWI and diverted the Iranian crops to feed the British Army, denying Iranian people access to food produced in Iran. The British army should have provided food from somewhere else not the Iranian crops, especially when they are the occupiers. When you are starved, then you are not immune to diseases.
    Dr. Majd believes that one third of the Iranian population was perished as the result of this policy, knowing that the evil British empire DENIED Dr. Majd having access to the British Archives.

    [Iranians arrogantly refused to allow food to be exported to Madras in 1877 during famine which led to the death of millions,..]

    Why do Iranian who were in the same situation, should have diverted their food stocks to Madras? The reason behind all these FAMINE, India, Iran, Afghanistan, China was the plantation of Opium, using the most fertile land extensively, because Opium was a very profitable business. The opium trade was in the hand of the Jewish Sassoon family, known as Rothschild of the East, so the British army protecting the Opium Trade with all its force.
    Only the gullible people refuse to hold British and its Opium policy responsible for the famine in these countries of the EAST.

    • Replies: @Malla
  129. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    I have always wondered why India holds so fast to Nagaland –

    Indian Nationalists will not give an inch, they already think they lost too much with Pakistan and they blame a cabal of British and Muslims for it. “British and Muslims came together to break India to create Pakistan”.
    Indians still believe that the “West, China and Muslims, all of them want to break and weaken India even further.” They are literally paranoid of this. That is why they are sensitive of giving up territory. Hell even the Chinese have similar paranoia. It now seems even Iranians (commentator Jami) have similar paranoia. I think Third World populations have a lot in common. Very similar theories about “foreign forces” and the West and each other. This is something I am observing.
    The average Muslim and the average Hindutva have a lot more in common in mentality than you think. The Chinese Nationalist or the Iranian Nationalist or Indian nationalist have a lot of similarity in mentality than one would expect. They are all mirror images of each other across borders. Very interesting.

    Leaving the Nagas (and the associated ulcers) to the Burmese would simplify things
    a lot, as well as benefit the mountain tribes (+/- independence).

    The Burmese already have so much on their plate, the Karens, the Kachins, the Mons, all of whom want Independence from the Burmese, the Nagas are tough fighters and will add more headache to the Burmese state. And do not forget the dirty Muslim Rohingyas barbarians, their behaviour was so appalling, preying on Burmese kaffirs, that even the peaceful Buddhist Burmese went Taliban style.

    The best option would be to make the North East an independent federal state, with each ethnic group getting a state. Add in the Nagas of Burma and the Chittagong Hill Tract people of Bangladesh like the Chakmas and you are done.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  130. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    No Britain as a benevolent Empire is fact.

    Certainly better than the Spanish, and yet we Yanks threw them out (or sent them packing north to Canada) for raising our taxes too high and far less grievances than others had – and they spoke the same language and wore the same wigs that we did. It honestly doesn’t take all that much to convince people that some empire run from a capital half way across the world should pack up shop and go home.

    Good read:
    https://aeon.co/essays/why-american-revolutionaries-admired-the-rebels-of-mysore

    • Replies: @Malla
  131. Malla says:
    @d dan

    Opium was declared illegal by several Chinese Emperors’ decrees before Opium Wars.

    Yes that is correct, but corrupt Chinese officials on the coast were allowing the opium in. The Capital was far away.

    I am not interested to reply to the tons of BS from a certified house nigger for the West and now, official Japanese bootlicker.

    Guess what, when I defended China in the past (I stopped doing it anymore), Indian Nationalists called me Chinese bootlicker. when I defended Muslim in the past (I stopped doing it anymore), Hindutvas would use similar abuse. “Traitor” and what not.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @d dan
  132. Malla says:
    @jami

    The reason behind all these FAMINE, India, Iran, Afghanistan, China was the plantation of Opium,

    How were the British behind the famine in Iran in 1870s now? Your idiotic theories make less sense as we go forward. The British did not control Iran. We never had famines in India DUE to Opium. So how did it happen in Persia? Was the Persian King, CIA agent?

    However, Abbas Milani is a traitor anti Iranian, who is a CIA asset. ….Abrahamian is a left Trotskyite.

    Majd lives in the West, you stupid punk, in Leftists Universities. Western leftist Universities have a history of writing bullshit about Colonialism and trying to show colonialism is bad. There was this crackpot Davies, who wrote bullshit about famines in India, all of that was debunked by me on this site, by referencing original documents. The amount of shameless lying they do is mind boggling. There are many such cases. If you write honest facts about colonialism, the good things of colonialism, you may lose your job. But if you write anti-colonial bullshit, you get promoted.

    Abrahamian is a left Trotskyite…so how is he an US agent? I thought US agents are all Capitalists.

  133. denk says:
    @Malla

    Even today India has opposed the West

    Like hell, India is that proverbial all men’s whore.

    In the 1962 war, it’s supported by USSR and USAss.
    These days, the elephant has
    Three legs in QUAD, one in BRIC.

    and supported Russia. There are no sanctions on India

    NUthin to crow about.
    iNDIA NOT joining the gang bang on Russia is a no brainer.
    Else it’d be at odds with all of its neigbours, including three nuclear powers !
    it simply cannot afford to betray Russia.

    OTOH
    India is too large to piss for the anglos, without which the cordon sanitaire around China would be kaput

    Years ago I told some Indian troll
    who was gloating on a beleaguered China..

    YOu’r sitting pretty now, the day you get too uppity, they will suddenly discover issues in Kashmir, or Nagaland or….

    True enough, no sooner than Bharat abstain from condemning Russia, when they murmurs about ‘human rights issues in India’ !

    What happen next ?

    the mafia don in DC dispatched the japs, euros and bojo to Delhi in succession….to offer investments, military and hi tech collaboration !
    The anglo want to nail the chicom so much and modi knows it.

    They dont call them perfidious albion for nuthin u know ?

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/boris-johnson-disgraceful-silence-modi-anti-muslim-campaign/5778276

    • Replies: @Malla
  134. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    The Great American Revolution huh? Against the “evul” British.
    You need to check this out

    FREEMASONIC ORIGINS OF AMERICAN REVOLUTION

    Sam Adams, who also orchestrated the Boston Massacre and Battle of Lexington, was simply seeking to goad the British into such retaliation, in order to create a pretext for war and revolution.

    https://jamesperloff.com/2014/12/09/the-american-revolution-part-i-the-secrets-buried-at-lexington-green/

    Good read:
    https://aeon.co/essays/why-american-revolutionaries-admired-the-rebels-of-mysore

    LOL The problem with you Muricans, is that you will support and admire any “rebel” against any “evul rule” and go emotional about it. America- the Revolutionary Nation. Unfortunately, the World is not that simple. Hyder Ali took over the Kingdom of Mysore via subterfuge. He was a hardcore French ally (nothing wrong with that) and especially of Dupleix. Had Dupleix’s plans gone ahead India would have become part of the French Empire, which is exactly what triggered the English response. before Dupliex, the English showed zero interest in interfering in Indian affairs.
    His son Tipu Sultan, so called “great rebel” you Americans foolishly admired was a autocratic ruler who mass murdered Hindus and Christians. So when the shit Tipoo was killed off by the British, most Indians there in South India were happy. Tipu regularly called in foreign support from the Afghans (who have a history of loot and rape in India which gave rise to Ranjit Singh and his Sikh Empire in response) and the French to counter the British and their Indian allies.

    Myth of Tipu Sultan of Mysore as a freedom fighter | Sandeep Balakrishna

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  135. @Malla

    Highly respected Indian Judge Radhabinod Pal at the kangaroo Tokyo trials who was the most neutral, came to the conclusion that most of these atrocity were highly exaggerated and part of WW2 propaganda.

    While the Nazi Germans kill many– especially the Jews and Slavs– the japs not only killed, they deliberately dragged human suffering for as long as possible.

    The Indians could/can afford jap-fetishism because they were not the victims of the horrific jap crimes against humanity. But when it comes to “Bengal Feminine”, which was a far smaller atrocity, they look at it in very differently light.

    • Replies: @Malla
  136. @Anonymous

    Honestly East and West Pakistan made no sense. They were physically separated. It was another dumb British move. It would be like Thailand and Singapore being a nation with Malaysia in between… Or Poland and France being Poland and Georgia being a nation with Ukraine in between.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Anonymous
  137. Malla says:
    @denk

    Like hell, India is that proverbial all men’s whore.

    Shouldn’t it be China, dumped the USSR and allied with the Capitalist USA. Mao and Nixon went lovey dovey with each other. President Nixon hated India and Indian PM Indira Gandhi, no wonder the Chinese and Nixon got so lovey dovey. Shared hatred for India makes many strange friends. India remained loyal to the USSR till the end, till the red flag flew over Kremlin. never back-stab like the cunning Chinese.
    And Pakistan, hoe par excellence. First whore of Murica, now of China.

    Else it’d be at odds with all of its neigbours, including three nuclear powers !
    it simply cannot afford to betray Russia.

    India can, India will not. The Muricans are showing lot of gooodies and hardcore tech transfers if India completely betrays Russia. India will NOT betray Russia.
    In Afghanistan, all the parties, Muricans, British, Pakistanis, Chinese were already sharing bed with the Taliban months before the earlier Afghan Government collapsed. India remained loyal to the Afghan Government till the last day, supporting engineering projects like dams. We did not betray the Afghan Govt when it was weak and sleep around with the Taliban like whores.

    the mafia don in DC dispatched the japs, euros and bojo to Delhi in succession….to offer investments, military and hi tech collaboration !

    India gave the middle finger to the British and Chinese in one go. Showed both the countries their place. Both of them saw arrogant Indian Middle Finger. LOL.

    Face-off | India’s S Jaishankar’s Sharp War of Words With British Foreign Secy Over Sanctions on Russia

    Jaishankar-Wang Yi talks: India calls out PLA’s ‘aggressive behaviour’ | NewsX

    • Replies: @Anon55
    , @denk
    , @denk
  138. IreneAthena says: • Website
    @Realist

    At the time of my death, I’d like to hear two things said to me:

    A few seconds after my death, Jesus saying, “Well done, good and faithful servant.”

    A few seconds before my death, a Deep State rep saying, “You have not amused us.”

    • Thanks: Kali
    • Replies: @Realist
  139. @littlereddot

    Liz Truss from the UK when recently speaking about expanding NATO – just noted that all nations need to “play by the rules” and specifically named China. She said the G7 has “options” and China “had to” trade with the west. She doesn’t seem to get what the point of the Belt & Road Initiative is specifically to reduce dependence on trade with the west and pivot toward the Global South. In her arrogance she didn’t get that is the reason China will not turn it’s back on Russia. The arrogance is frightening. French and German businesses would tell her she’s a fool. For many of their top companies – China represents 1/3 of their global sales (like Mercedes and Audi)…. She’s clueless – but arrogant.

  140. @Malla

    Again – they only made it pop culture… They didn’t invent “making it rain” except to popularize. You think you are smart but you really aren’t if you believe that. Pouring money over strippers goes back long before rap music existed. Stick to talking about ethnic rivalries in India.

  141. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    Rayaleast is most probably a Muslim, because many Muslims now a days are questioning Indian civilization itself. LOL LOL LMFAO. This is because, Hindus regularly accuse them of invading and destroying the ancient Indian civilization. To escape this guilt and Chinese style save face, they are questioning the existence of Indian civilization itself. LOL They need to read the writings of Greek and Chinese/Korean travelers. That is the difference in between the British and non Westerners. The British will accept responsibility and self criticize (Westerners self criticize too much and take too much guilt, non Westerners pile up bullshit atrocities). Non Westerners including Hindus (Muslims, Chinese etc..) will manipulate and twist around to do anything to portray a perfect “innocent” history of themselves. This has gone to such frenzy that the Muslims are questioning one of the oldest civilization on Earth, India. LOL Islamists and Hindutvas are soooo similar, it is not even funny. Both want a perfect history of themselves and blame the others. Earlier I though only Hindutavs did this, but this is far more common around the World.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
    , @anonyms
  142. denk says:
    @Malla

    Your ‘honorable white men’ in three steps….

    [MORE]

    Reaming the white ass,
    https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/senator-marco-rubio-is-greeted-by-japanese-prime-minister-shinzo-abe-picture-id464128715

    Contemptuous on fellow Asians


    —————————–

    • Replies: @Malla
  143. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Sam Adams, who also orchestrated the Boston Massacre and Battle of Lexington, was simply seeking to goad the British into such retaliation, in order to create a pretext for war and revolution.

    Well, sure. We didn’t want our taxes going to some fappy king in England, we’d rather them be kept at home. Furthermore, Britain control and interference of our foreign affairs was in the way of westward expansion and making deals with other powers like the Louisiana Purchase or buying Alaska off the Russians. We fought it out, hell – they even brought in German mercenaries and we won…that conversation was decided with cannons and muskets. I like to take my kids to see re-enactments of Revolutionary War battles – it’s pretty neat, people get all dressed up and really into character – even the guys playing Hessians try to only speak German.

    The problem with you Muricans, is that you will support and admire any “rebel” against any “evul rule” and go emotional about it.

    We do have a soft side for the underdog, I’ll give you that. But this is more along the lines of, I-hope-Tipu-can-keep-British-war-resources-bogged-down-longer-so-our-revolution-goes-well. He wasn’t a freedom fighter, he was trying to keep his kingdom from being absorbed by the British, not set up some Jeffersonian utopia.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
    , @Malla
  144. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Honestly East and West Pakistan made no sense. They were physically separated. It was another dumb British move.

    Like jami, here comes another idiot who wants to blame everything on the British. It is some kind of virulent mental disease. The Bengali Muslims wanted to join Pakistan, the British were opposed to the division of India. The Bengali Muslims wanted to join Pakistan, nothing to do with what the British wanted. Only later the East Pakistanis realized that they were treated like 2nd class shit by the arrogant snotty West Pakistanis and then they revolted. Indian nationalists blame the British for allowing Pakistan and Pakistanis blame the British for opposing Pakistan. Basically nobody wants to take responsibility for their actions, like little children and blame the British for everything. All of them need to grow up and take responsibility, but that would destroy their save face, cosmetic make up image of perfect “innocent” history. LOL BTW, do you masturbate to anti-British porn?

    • Agree: Dream
    • Replies: @denk
    , @showmethereal
  145. Anonymous[386] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Yes, this kind of separation only works if you are like the US and Alaska separated by a friendly country like Canada.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  146. Anon55 says:
    @Malla

    We did not betray the Afghan Govt when it was weak and sleep around with the Taliban like whores.

    The propped-up Afghan government WAS the whore, you couldn’t whore around with the Taliban because you were already sleeping with the cheapest whore on the block.

    • Replies: @Malla
  147. denk says:
    @Malla

    India accuse China’s aggressive behavor

    LOL
    dURING the 1962 war, even the anti Chinese London times noted that India was to blame if hostilities broke out.

    Whats wrong with accepting USAss offer after breaking up with USSR ?

    dONT sidstep the issue, bottom line.,.
    India knows it can afford to ‘show middle finger’ to the anglos cuz its too big to piss, they want Bharat so badly to ‘contain ‘ China.

    Action speaks louder than words,

    When is India gonna quit the QUAD ?

    Why is Doval inviting all rabid anti Chinese western intel chief and the jap to Delhi, to talk weather ?

    https://www.indianpunchline.com/india-should-quit-quad-now/

    https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/doval-to-lead-first-international-intel-chiefs-meet-in-delhi/article65349074.ece

    PS
    sO you agree with me on those perfidious alboin hypocrites par excellence ?

    hehehe

    • Replies: @Malla
  148. @American Bulwark

    Those peaceful buddhist Tibetans would have gladly killed you if you ever tried to go and convert them to your way of life. Ask the French. You can’t blame the Han because China was ruled by the Jurchen/Manchu at this time (You probably don’t know China has been ruled by more than one ethnic group). Because they dared to let Christian missionaries into Tibet (since Tibet was part of China) – they decided to start killing whites and burning churches. I could detail MANY more acts of violence in Tibetan history – but I will only reference this one. I don’t even like Wikipedia much – but for you it will have to suffice…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batang_uprising

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  149. denk says:
    @Malla

    USAss sidekick India accuse China of aggressive behavor

    Except….

    There is absolutely no evidence for aggressive Chinese intentions towards India or anywhere in South Asia, but Washington and New Delhi are laying the foundations for a new Cold War in Asia.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20181220180456/http://www.island.lk:80/2006/03/01/features7.html

    PS
    Why are you mum on those perfidious anglo who fabricated the bogus uighurs genocide to frame China, while falling over themselves to fellate the real muslim [and mongoloid] genociders in Delhi. ?

  150. denk says:
    @Malla

    Who creates E Pak,
    Who creates Israel,
    Who drew that Mcmahon line that foment indo/sino hostilities until this day ?

    Who gobbled up those mongoloid kingdoms then threw them under the bus for India to rape and plunder ?

    https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm

    I started by telling them that as a British man I knew I was part of their problem and I was ashamed of this. It was my country that betrayed them in 1947 and was carrying on betraying them by failing to say anything about what was happening now.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20080706211140/http://www.newint.org/issue256/keynote.htm

    If even the pommies with conscience admit their culpability, why’s an ‘Indian’ making a living outta whitewashing those perfidious albions ?

    hehehe

    • Replies: @Malla
  151. @American Bulwark

    Hawaiians were savages before the White man showed up

    LOL, whatever happened to your sense of White Man’s self appointed responsibility to save the poor savages? Stealing their land is hardy saving them.

    Maybe the Chinese and Russians will soon save the Native Americans when USA collapses? They will restore the land to its rightful owner.

    Don’t worry, I am sure the Red Man will allow you to run casinoes so you have money to buy bread and water.

    peaceful Buddhists.

    Have you never heard of the Tibetan Empire? Yeah, I guess not. Your worldview comes from Hollywood and your MSM.

    • LOL: showmethereal
    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  152. @Malla

    The best option would be to make the North East an independent federal state, with each ethnic group getting a state.

    My, what wisdom and magnanimity.

    Your inner “enlightened Brit colonial” is speaking surely.

    Do you have similar views on Kashmir and Punjab?

  153. @Anonymous

    Unfortunately the USA has turned into an empire worse than the Brits. An empire that even denies it is one, yet taxes the world with its Petrodollar regime, and enforces it with its vaunted US military.

  154. Kali says:
    @Realist

    Yours is an encouraging attitude…but the Deep State will not be amused.

    In this case, it’s not the “Deep State” that we need to worry about (they’re busy in Pakistan and Ukraine right now) but the ‘shallow state’, as represented by those petty officials who will almost inevitably come calling, demanding to see our ‘potato-planting-permit’, or whatever.

    And this is where everything we have ever learned about the corruption and lawlessness of the state comes into play, because, in breaching the rules under which the state itself claims authority – via the unlawful, unjustifiable, war of agression against Iraq, for example, the state broke its contract with the people, and in imposing abritrary, unscientific, social-distancing, mask and ‘vax’ mandates, the state breached any remaining trust relationship with the people, and therefore has not even a semblence of legitimate authority. That’s to say, the emporer stands naked before us, and it would be wise for us to point and laugh.

    Of course ‘first contact’ will always be with some petty office-holder, and maybe a local cop or two. Understanding that these people, first and formost, are men and women with families to feed, no different than anyone else, and that their jurisdiction is supoorted only by convention and habit rather than legitimacy, then interesting conversations about the nature of reality, of authority, of law and of our current situation, etc, etc, are there to be had. – Man-to-Man, so to speak, rather than “officer-to-ward”.

    In these circumstances, jurisdiction is everything! The petty officials will, of course, issue whatever warnings or demands they believe they can or should, no matter how interesting they found the conversation (seeds may germinate in time) … and up through the food-chain we go…

    In the meantime, our first lot of potatos are ready to lift, our beans are ready to pick and our caugettes (zuccinis) continue to give… And our community cooperative expands and strengthens. Maybe community stores are added, or food distribution networks. Mayby we’ve been joined by that first official who came to lay down the “law”. Maybe they brought their spouse and children along. Not only that, but maybe we’ve inspired others to start their own projects…

    In the meantime we move through the hierarchy of state “aothority”, through the courts (whose procedural rules we have, by now, diligently studied and applied!) explaining that, for example, Gandhi said that ‘civil disobediance becomes a sacred duty when the state is lawless and corupt, that anyone bargaining with such a state shares in its lawlessness and coruption, and that there is one sovereign remedy which is non-violent non-cooperation…’ And/or arguing from the possition of a living man/woman under God and Natural Law, that we recognise no legal fiction to have authority over us…

    Or anything, any aspect of law/jurisdiction/ authority that we and our group see fit to pursue.
    ______

    We have nothing to loose and everything to gain by discovering the courage needed to support our convictions, and putting the knowlege and clarity we’ve gained through our internet discourses to some practical use.

    The picture I paint may not be the one another chooses to develope. Maybe you have ideas of your own or a different direction you wish to move in… But please, for goodness sake, do something other that indulge in endless and ultimatedy pointless internet discussions!– It can get quite lonely out here on the edge waiting for the ” awake” of so many internet forums to get out of bed/ out of their comfort zones and actually do something!

    When even the nominal “anarchists” amongst us remain unmoving and inert through fear of the “authority” of the state, even at this late stage in the game, as the emporer stands stark, bollock naked before us, then it seems we have a very long way to go before reaching adulthood/maturity.

    We do have agency. But unless we’re prepared to use it, it is utterly wasted on us.

    Pep-talk over.

    With love,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @FrodoWasAFremen
  155. @showmethereal

    And my contention is that Tibet, not unlike Bhutan and Sikkim, was a hermit kingdom, unlike North Korea (an artificial entity at best to protect China’s flank against a resurgent Japan), and should have been left alone. India and China are both guilty of running roughshod over the seven Kingdoms of the Himalayas but latter more so than the former.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  156. @littlereddot

    My littlereddot from Singapore (or is it Down Under?)…

    Since you think I rely so much on Wikipedia, here is something I copied from it regarding the Tibetan Empire, just for you:

    • Established
    618
    • Disestablished
    842

    Now we both know that you can’t dig up grievances going back to a thousand years because there will be no end to it and the world would come to a grinding halt, therefore, let’s keep to the last 100+ years to settle differences.

    And based on that formula, China out of Tibet and East Turkmenistan, India out of Sikkim, Rohingyas out of Burma, Pakistan out of Kashmir, Israel out of Palestine, Turkey out of Cyprus, Russia out of the Kurile Islands and let’s leave Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Samoa, the Falklands, the Gibraltar, Diego García etc alone because it won’t get us anywhere.

    Of course, you can keep Manchuria but Taiwan issue must be decided by the Taiwanese people through a democratic vote.

    Lastly, I don’t have any problem, for the time being, Indian minority and Chinese majority in your own little island given that your two groups are able to work with West and the ownership would belong to Muslim Malays, who aren’t trustworthy like the rest of their religious kind.

    • Replies: @littlereddot
  157. @Malla

    IIRC Subhas Chandra himself said that he and Nehru were playing it both
    ways (“It depends on who wins the war, but India will be free anyway”),
    as has also been suspected of le Maréchal and de Gaulle.

    • Replies: @Malla
  158. @Malla

    All Greek texts are replete of gymnosophists of India dating back thousands of years … Muslims and Pakis in particular, are a mendacious lot.

    • Replies: @anonyms
  159. Malla says:
    @denk

    Your ‘honorable white men

    More like “honourable Black man’. The Japanese are ‘honourbale Black men’ now, denki. Soon they will claim that the ‘ancient Egyptian phraoahs wuz Japanese, we wuz kangs’. Soon denki the Japanese will make it rain in clubs, they will get along well with the Pakistanis. Imagine Pakistani women dancing and the new Japanese “niggers” making it rain yens on their shaking ass (shaking to Indian Bollywood music remember). The Pakis and Japs will become pals and China will lose Pakistan to Japan. denki, what will happen then?
    I suggest, the Chinese to go to Pakistani dance bars and make it rain Yuans, pre-emtive strike. Then train Chinese women to dance like those Pakistani dancers but warning: it will be to Indian Bollywood tunes. Indians are mental sepoys, those Chinese women will turn to sepoys, Indian Bollywood music is brain control and they aim to convert the entire World to sepoys of Anglos. There will be an army of Chinese women sepoys within China, listening to Bollywood brain wash music and give fight for Anglo global rule. Chinese are stuck, denki. What to do?

    Contemptuous on fellow Asians

    PM Abe sits in a fighter jet, and it shows contempt of fellow Asians!! How exactly? Is this some kind of picture tea leaf reading?

    • Replies: @denk
  160. Malla says:
    @Anon55

    The propped-up Afghan government WAS the whore,

    Who is a whore is based on perspectives, for a billion people, Pakistan is a whore of China. For many, the Taliban were a whore of the Pakistani ISI. Some say the Taliban are whores of China now.
    But India unlike other powers stuck to its allies, did not go and do double dealing.

    • Replies: @Anon55
    , @anonyms
  161. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    The Indians could/can afford jap-fetishism because they were not the victims of the horrific jap crimes against humanity.

    Keep your weird anti-Jap fetishism with yourself. Do not try to impose on other Asians. Many Indians work for Japanese companies, indeed Manesar, near my city is Auto city of India, full of Japanese companies (Suzuki is the largest by market share in India). Many of my friends work there, with Japanese Engineers and managers, they all have a positive opinion. There was this Jain babe who used to top my class in Delhi, she went to IIT, went to America and in one trip to Japan ended up meeting and marrying a Japanese guy (who lived in the US too earlier). Hell the Conservative right winged Abe family has an Indian Cardiologist woman in their family, Kalpana Abe.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/how-an-indian-married-into-japans-first-family-is-changing-the-india-japan-and-the-us-trilateral/articleshow/61705621.cms?from=mdr
    How an Indian, married into Japan’s first family, is changing the India, Japan and the US trilateral
    Most Indians would tell you Pakistanis are evil snakes, would you guys listen to that? No. So leave your fetishes away from us.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
    , @Deep Thought
  162. Anon55 says:
    @Malla

    Yes – it certainly does depend on perspective. India stayed loyal to the cheapest whore on the block, I will certainly give you that. The Afghani Taliban are not whores of the ISI, they are mutual allies and did actually stay loyal to each other through the thick of it. Pakistan whores itself out to China in order to avoid getting it up the rear from India – the calculus seems to be…better to whore out voluntary than risk getting raped involuntarily.

    The propped-up Afghan government was only able to survive through massive foreign aid and massive military assistance of billions and billions of dollars doing its fighting for it. The Taliban and Pakistan expenditures were pennies on the dollar for the massive amounts the opposition spent – mostly the cost the Taliban paid was with lots of lives lost.

    The Afghan government represented mostly foreign interests (like that of India) and that of elites of Kabul…the Taliban seemed to have represented mostly the rest of the actual country, the proof is in the pudding – Afghanistan is no stranger to civil war and is an armed populace, if they weren’t generally onboard, there would be insurgencies breaking out all over the country.

    As Fred Reed once wrote about them:
    “I cannot endorse the politics of the Taliban. If one of them told me that my daughter couldn’t go to school, one of us would leave the room on a stretcher. Yet as fighting men, are they not magnificent? They have only rifles, explosives, RPGs, and balls. Their enemies have unlimited air support, helicopters, armor, artillery, sophisticated communications, night-vision gear, good food and excellent medical care. The Taliban take heavy casualties, their enemies almost none. The ragheads do not even have PX privileges. Yet they have not been defeated. A fight on even terms would last perhaps five minutes.

    This, for a trillion dollars.”
    https://www.unz.com/freed/baez-coyne-and-reed-422/

    Not to worry though, India certainly lost a fair amount of money by keeping loyal to their cheap whore, but they certainly didn’t lose as much as others did. And it doesn’t seem the Taliban are interested in stopping the current \$1.5 billion trade between the two countries. Maybe in a few years, you’ll see some Tata models being sold in Kandahar.

    • Replies: @Anon55
    , @Malla
  163. Malla says:
    @denk

    Who creates E Pak,

    Muslims

    Who creates Israel,

    Zionists

    Who drew that Mcmahon line

    Duh! The answer is in the name, dummy, Mcmohan.
    Anyways since you Chinese always try to show us Indiansvideos of the pro-China Indian guy Kishor Mehbubani lets check out his conversation with a man of Chinese origins, Mr. Wang Gungwu.

    Wang Gungwu on India-China relations
    At 1:20 Mr Gungwu says, that the ancient Chinese looked to India as the Western Heaven because of Buddhism. This is directed at that Muslim crackpot, Rayaleast who claims Indian civilization did not exist.
    At 3:11 he says, that British in Bengal wanted to trade with Tibet and they were afraid of the Tzarist Russians coming in down to Tibet. And the Russians had an advantage as it was far easier to come to Tibet via Turkistan. Mr. Gungwu further adds that the British found it advantageous to recognize Qing sovereignty, they used the word Suzerainty. The British recognized Qing Suzerainty over Tibet in order to keep the Russians out. So the Russians would have to deal with the Qing with matters pertaining to Tibet and that kept Tibet away from the Russians as far as the British were concerned. At 4:06 mins he says that the British actually supported Qing China where Tibet was concerned. He later speaks about the Mcmohan line in between British India and Qing China and soon later the Republic of India and the People’s Republic of China had a border problem which they never had before.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  164. Malla says:
    @denk

    dURING the 1962 war, even the anti Chinese London times noted that India was to blame if hostilities broke out.

    Leftist Western media supporting Communists against Socialist India. Yawn.

    Whats wrong with accepting USAss offer after breaking up with USSR ?

    Ofcoulse, when we Han do lovey dovey with Murica, it is gleat strategic decision by superior Han. Gleat Mao, realised China cannot be enemies of two supelpowels at the same time, so he makes fliendship with Capitalist Murica. What gleat stlategic move. But when smelly Hindoo make alliance with Amelica, they ale sepoys. Superior Han make alliance with America against Ruskies, great strategic move. When inferior smelly Hindoos makes alliance with America, for its own security interests, India is sepoy/sidekick and sheeet. Wow!!!! What logic!!!

    When is India gonna quit the QUAD ?

    India is not an idiot to leave QUAD. QUAD is important for India for its security against what it perceives as an aggressive China. By the way, even without Washington’s involvement, Canberra, Tokyo, Hanoi and New Delhi have been quietly making military and intelligence alliances with each other, Washington need not be involved. Even if USA becomes pro China, these alliances and partnerships in between India, Japan, Australia and Vietnam will continue and may tomorrow even include South Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Mongolia etc… Without any direction or involvement of the USA.

    Why is Doval inviting all r

    Ajit Doval is a legendary Indian Intelligence dude and an Indian patriot. He was a Indian RAW spy in Pakistan for years. Never detected, but the Pakistani ISI claim (to save face), that they always knew he was an Indian agent, they were using him (tracking him) to find out his contacts in Pakistan. LOL.
    Why he invite? My friend, Indian intelligence agency RAW (Research & Analysis Wing) already has strong intelligence sharing agreements with the Cabinet Intelligence and Research Office (Naicho) of Japan. For a long time now. Why don’t you talk about the recent strong Intelligence sharing tie ups in between the Vietnamese Tong cục Tinh bao( TC2 / Vietnamese General Department of Military Intelligence) with the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS)? Why only target India? China’s neighbours are secretly making alliances. Why they all scared?

    • Replies: @denk
  165. Anon55 says:
    @Anon55

    Muslim traditionalists married up with a deep-state spy agency seems to have been a winning combo this time around in that neck of the woods…

    Not surprising – fact is that Pakistan knows Afghanistan (having a huge number of Pashtun itself, last PM was one) better than India thought it knows Afghanistan…just like India knew Bangladesh better than Pakistan thought it knew Bangladesh.

  166. @Malla

    You love to ingratiate yourself to Anglos. I see several others on here had to remind you how pathetic you sound. Genius – if the Brits are in power whatever partitioning that happens is their responsibility- regardless of what anyone wanted. That’s how things work in the adult world. The whole partitioning was not of the British Raj and the entire Empire was done with spite – because the Brits were upset at having to give up their empire. Boris Johnson and Liz Truss even now still exude that garbage.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @littlereddot
  167. @Anonymous

    Not exactly the same since Alaska was purchased from Russia. But Canada is not friendly – Canada is afraid of the US. Remember they were attacked by the US. They repelled it – but it’s always been in their mind.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  168. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Well, sure. We didn’t want our taxes going to some fappy king in England, we’d rather them be kept at home

    Yeah, King George needed american money to finance his lifestyle, after losing America he moved into a mud hut. Britain easily produced the wealth finance King George’s court. Britain had spent money in the Anglo French wars and protected the English colonies from the garlic eating Frenchies. Who was gonna pay for that? And the taxes were extremely small. Like on tea and stamps or something. The Colonists could have avoided the taxes by not drinking the damn tea.
    And now Muricans pay far more the tax that they had during British times but they have representation by a corrupt Senate and Congress. Scumbags from around the World come and buy Congressmen. Without the Revolution, the USA would have been free later on anyways like Canada, Australia or New Zealand. However Americans would not have Rights like the First of Second Amendment, but the present present ZOG Commie Government wants to get rid of that too. As far as keeping the money in the country, a lot of American money is spend all around the world in worthless campaigns which make no sense. The corrupt Pakistani ISI looted out the Muricans during the Soviet Campaign in Afghanistan. Americans work hard and pay taxes, and the money goes to foreigners anyways like corrupt Pakistani ISI officers.

    We fought it out, hell – they even brought in German mercenaries and we won…that conversation was decided with cannons and muskets.

    The Colonists have French help. Lets not forget that. Lot of respects for George Washington, a brilliant strategist and the American founding fathers, true philosopher Kings. But if you think without French help, the colonists would have beaten one of the most powerful military in the World, I will “believe that”. Three points. One third of the Colonists did not support the American Revolution, many of them were hounded and attacked and many of them went to Canada. Number two (the video has been scrubbed off jew-Tube), the British could have continued the war if they wanted but they were losing too much money. They had some lucrative colonies in the Caribbean, they did not see it worth spending more money on the campaign in America. Of course in the long term, the Caribbean turned into backwaters and the USA turned into an industrial giant, race really matters.
    One more point, many Britons back in the islands were not happy fighting the American colonists, whom they considered their blood brothers. Brother Vs Brother wars.

    Britain control and interference of our foreign affairs was in the way of westward expansion and making deals with other powers

    The British were protecting the Native Americans in the West from European settlers. That is why many Native American chiefs supported the British during the Revolutionary wars. George Washington considered these Native American nations as traitors to the freedom struggle, “bootlickers of the British”. A British victory would have been good for the Native Americans. In Canada, there have been far less conflicts in between Whites and Reds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  169. Realist says:
    @Kali

    We do have agency. But unless we’re prepared to use it, it is utterly wasted on us.

    I am afraid you vastly underestimate the resolve of the Deep State. What did civil disobedience do for the Canadians? If things are to change in the U. S. it will most likely require the physical.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  170. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Britain had spent money in the Anglo French wars and protected the English colonies from the garlic eating Frenchies.

    This is exactly the issue. We absolutely used the French to help gain independence – we played the Europeans off each other. You see, we didn’t want America to be split up across various European powers (Brits, French, Spanish, etc). They would have kept bringing their internecine continental conflicts over to our new continent – which is one of the reasons we came here in the first place, so that we could get involved with Europe on our terms and as we thought in our interests, not the other way around. Next we got the French officially out and then finally dealt with the Spanish. Hat tip to the Mexicans for also eliminating their influence on the continent.

    Now we get the Brits to come along on our military adventures. And we tell them to desist when we want them to, like Ike telling them to cease their joint invasion of Egypt with Israel and France.

    You’re telling me British politicians are less influenced by foreign money than ours? We didn’t want to automatically get called up to fight every war that Her Majesty got herself involved in like the Anzacs. We at least had a debate here and were able to sit out the wars until we wanted to get involved.

    We gained no advantage by being tied to Britain and every advantage by being independent. We even got our navy up to snuff in time that we were able to do punitive assaults in Africa against Barbary Pirates. So maybe being ruled by Brits was a good thing for you guys in India to keep things in order, but we didn’t need them anymore.

    And with the British out of the way, we were able to take over and settle the rest of the continent. I’ll admit that it was done with a lot of broken treaties on our part and forcible relocations, but there is honestly not much to be done about that right now. As far as conflicts with the Native Americans, it really just depends on which tribe. Some tribes actually allied with us to save themselves from complete eradication from their rivals like the Comanche who were extraordinary raiders and brilliant archers and horsemen. At the end, though much of it is tragic, the end result with European settlement of the Americas was really only going to go one way…their way of life was simply too outdated to exist across such a large swath of land and they didn’t have the military capability to prevent that from happening because they were using bows and arrows against grapeshot canon and repeating rifles.

  171. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Canada is friendly and it is also afraid of the US. Their economy is tied to ours at the hip. For better or for worse, the Canucks and we need to get along and mostly do…they are only superior to us in ice hockey. If we attack them, American fan girls of both Ryans (Gosling and Reynolds) will go ape.

  172. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Again he wants to make a fool of himself, with is virulent Anglo-phobia and uses the old Uncle Tom ruse. Hey word of wisdom, if you are non White and some one calls you Uncle Tom or Gunga Din, you are most probably speaking uncomfortable truths.
    Firstly you have zero knowledge of British India. British India was not full of slaves and suddenly became free in 1947 (but according to the Chinese we are still slaves LOL). Firstly Indians during British Empire were not slaves but got more personal freedoms they had even under their own kings. And most importantly, there was continues devolution of power. 1947 was just a step in those chain of devolution of power which was going on for a long time. Do you have any idea about the Morley Minto reforms, the Ibert Bill, the Mongatue-Clemsford reforms, the Simon Commission, the government of India Act 1935 etc… Of course, you do not, you are farting nonsense, I have studied these in original documents. By 1935, Indians were more or less running India themselves, the British were just thin top soil. And it is during this period both the Bengal famine and the partition happens. I have already proven that the British tried everything to avoid partition, I cannot repeat everything again, go through my archives on this topic which includes Ambedkar’s work (leader of Dalits and author of the Indian Constitution) as well as debates in the Indian Parliament especially during the bill for the independence of India and Pakistan in 1947 in the British parliament, I have read the original bill, my grandfather was a High court Judge. the Bill itself says that henceforth the parliament of Great Britain abrogates all rights to make laws with regards to India and Pakistan and that this right is being passed on to the legislature of India and Pakistan. the debate during the Bill proves beyond any doubt that the British did not want the partition of India. They even locked up the Muslim League and the Indian National Congress in Shimla to come to a resolution to keep India together.

    Now lets get to Bengal, lets give you a much needed education. East Bengal was majority Muslim and West Bengal was majority Hindu. Even though many Hindus and Muslims were poor, Hindus were over all dominant in trade and education. Throughout East Bengal you had many cases of Hindu landlords and Muslim peasants. Even today in Bangladesh, Hindus out perform Muslims in education and Business per capita. West Bengal was more industrial while East Bengal was more agricultural. Indeed Western Bengal was one of the most industrialised part of India in 1947 as it was part of the British Empire the longest, the Bengali Communist later destroyed everything, but that is a different story. The intellectual side of Bengali culture and literature was dominated by upper caste Hindus of Calcutta city i.e. Western Bengal. They were one of the first to come in contact with British culture and they soaked it up readily, there is even a Shakespeare road in Calcutta today, but this love fro British culture/ literature and art went hand in hand with a Renaissance of Bengali culture (the first of this kind in India) and flowering of Bengali literature and arts. A new Anglo-bengali culture arose in Colonial Bengal. Bengali native culture boomed among its Western educated Hindu elites. Rabindranath Tagore, the first Asian to win a Nobel prize, the man who wrote the national anthems of both India and Bangladesh, was of this type There was a small Muslim Bengali elite, this elite looked down upon their own native Bengali language, and prefered to speak Persian and Urdu. Let this sink in, Anglophile Bengalis had pride in their culture along with soaking of British Culture, Islamic influence made Bengali elites hate their own native language and culture. they wanted to be Persians and Turks!!! LOL. But as some of these Muslim Bengali elites became Western educated, they rebelled against the hatred of their own native Bengali among their elders and slavish worship of foreign Persian-Urdu-Arabic culture. Begum Rokeya is a very good case in point. This is very important. This rising pride in Bengali language among Western educated Bengali Muslim elites would play a big part in the later 1971, Bangladesh war of Independence from Pakistan, which had a lot to do with language.
    But there was always the Hindu intellectual, and economic domination of Muslims. When Lord Curzon, already divided Bengal in early 1900s, the Muslims of East Bengal welcomed it but the Hindus of West Bengal opposed it as they considered themselves the Bengali elites and thought they would lose power. They had more power in the press and they screeched and screamed against the partition of Bengal within the British India, which was later reversed. The Muslims could not counter that much as the Hindus of Calcutta had more power of the media and this left a bitter taste in their mouth. So later in 1947, the East Bengali Muslims, to counter West Bengali Hindu domination, chose to join Pakistan, their Muslim identity was important here. Later when they were ill-treated by the snotty West Pakistani elites, their linguistic identity became the rallying cry leading revolution and to Bangladesh. That is why I said the Bengali language pride movement among the Bengali Muslim elites was to play a part later.

    • Agree: Dream
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  173. @American Bulwark

    1) utter nonsense since Tibet was an expansionist empire for centuries

    2) North Korea was created by an agreement between the Soviets and the U.S. and had nothing to do with China.

    You make up a lot of history

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  174. @Malla

    You wrote a lot for nothing. Bottom line is the Brits could have partitioned any way they want. Some decisions were just dumb – like the 2 Pakistans and many were simply spiteful to stoke ethnic tensions like in Africa – or politically like in Guayana. You are a rare species. You should go throughout all the former British Empire and tell these things directly to those countries . Make a video showing how well it works out for you.

  175. @showmethereal

    “You make up a lot of history”

    Arrant nonsense! You like to yap but everything you scribble is utter rubbish!

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  176. Anonymous[336] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    I can see the utility and cane even appreciate some of his stuff in defense of Britain, especially against people who claim that Britain was basically Satan incarnate, but it really stretches the level of credulity when you see him go to lengths trying to convince me that it would have been better for us if America had remained a colony of Britain. It would literally get you laughed off stage everywhere in the country. That position has zero support, they all moved to Canada already.

    I doubt even any serious British person would argue that point unless completely pissed drunk in a pub.

    • LOL: showmethereal
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  177. Malla,

    I take my hat off to you. You’re like an Indian lion totally surrounded and attacked by a bunch of yellow (not as in color but cowardice) Chinese hyenas.

    One gets the feeling that those Chinese idiots are so deeply troubled by the truth that they spew a lot of hatred and nonsense.

    But you’re holding your own, so, keep up the good work and cheers!

    AB

    • Thanks: Malla
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  178. @American Bulwark

    What I wrote is easily accessible historical fact. No obscure conspiracy theory

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  179. d dan says:
    @Malla

    “The Opium war was because the Chinese Emperor threw European/Indian opium in the sea without any warning,” – Malla

    “Opium was declared illegal by several Chinese Emperors’ decrees before Opium Wars.” – d dan

    “Yes that is correct…” – Malla

    Then why do you claim Opium war was because “the Chinese Emperor threw European/Indian opium in the sea”? You further claim that “the Chinese Emperor looked upon the Europeans as barbarians ” (a fact, but has nothing to do with Opium Wars). In addition, you still didn’t answer how could sending warships halfway around the world to start wars be justified because illegal goods were seized by foreign government. And then of course, there is that lie that the seizure was “without any warning”.

    You package so many lies within one single sentence because you want to imply that it was Chinese (emperors’) fault that the wars were started, i.e. blaming the victim for the barbaric actions of your beloved British. And I haven’t even mentioned other lies and half-truth (e.g. Chinese produced 10x the opium,…) that you spewed out just to kiss the British and Japanese assholes.

    “when I defended China in the past ”

    Yes, you were “defending China” by claiming that China should let Tibet (or Xinjiang) be independent. You were “defending China” when you claim that Japan didn’t start the war of aggression against China (i.e. Chinese started it). You were “defending China” when you deny the “Nanjing Massacre” and many more, etc.

    In short, you are just like those evil British during that time, and the idiotic “American Bullshit” we have today: compulsive liar, unprincipled and shameless.

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    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  180. @Kali

    Cannot speak for others, but I like your optimism lady. I also find the work you are talking about very interesting – do you have any videos of similar work being done to ready terraced agriculture spaces by hand like you describe? It sounds inspiring.

    Be well and don’t lose that optimism.

    • Replies: @Kali
  181. @Malla

    The honesty in this passage is refreshing:

    She is not comfortable talking about her last name or boasting of her proximity to Japan’s first family. If anything, she actively downplays it– perhaps a Japanese trait she has picked up because it isn’t Indian for sure.

    Most Indians would tell you Pakistanis are evil snakes, would you guys listen to that? No.

    Oh? It’s tempting…

    Most Brits, particularly in Rotherham, would agree. But few would be telling us.

    • Replies: @Malla
  182. @Realist

    What did civil disobedience do for the Canadians?

    Little, because they weren’t backed by their own people. Those truckers were more popular in the States, and perhaps in places like France.

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  183. denk says:
    @Malla

    PM Abe sits in a fighter jet, and it shows contempt of fellow Asians!! How exactly? Is this some kind of picture tea leaf reading?

    Somebody playing dumb,
    hehehe

    Abe reaming white ass. [Rubio]

    Suga fellating Black dick [Austin]

    Abe showing middle finger to unit 731 victims SK/China

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/japans-abe-kowtows-to-u-s-imperial-elite

    https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2971580

    [MORE]

    ——————–

    Tibet

    Like I mentioned many times before,
    There’r actually two Tibet.

    This is the Tibet in India that no anglo wanna talk about…where real genocides are a dime a dozen but no anglo give a rat ass .
    Just like Xinjiang vs Kashmir.

    Exhibit A
    The murder of Nido Tania from Arunachal Pradesh.
    Thats actually Tawang, birth place of HMDL, annexed by India in 1951

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/migration_catalog/article18085429.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_355/nido_tania

    https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/migration_catalog/article18086292.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_355/rahul_1743596f

    Do they look like Indians ?

    The Clintons, Bushes, Pelosi, Cameron, JOhn Major etc , practically all [five liars] leaders have gone to India to pay homage to the HDML, wag their finger at Tibet proper over the border in China, while Tibetans, Nagas, Manipuris…the entire Mongoloid ‘Indian’ NE were groaning under the dreaded AFSPA.

    https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/indian-army-rape-us/296634

    ——————–

    Why’d India quit the QUAD ?

    uncle sham needs no introduction I presume , a certified psycho

    The japs are white ass lickers,

    The Ozzies have gone stark raving bonkers….

    Peter Dutton

    China is a growing threat, the chicom may launch attacks in the next four years.
    Chemical attack no less, the situation is as terrible as it was before “World War II”.

    Now why’d a nice lady like India wanna be around this gang ?
    Its your choice.

    ——————

    Western spy chief invited to Delhi

    USAss spy chief labels China biggest threat to freedom since World War Two

    China poses serious strategic threat to Canada, says Canadian spy agency head

    British spy chief on why China is the “single greatest priority” for MI6, and what’s needed to respond

    In Oz,
    Top intelligence chief warns China’s ‘troubling’ strategic convergence with Russia poses threat to democracies

    CIA Director William Burns said on Thursday he is establishing a major organization within the agency focused on China, expanding and coordinating intelligence gathering against what top U.S. officials have described as a multipronged threat from Beijing.

    New Zealand security chiefs warn of China threat

    Doval’s China obsession made India go for Sri Lanka regime change: Former Lanka defense secy

    I guess Doval didnt invite all his anglo pals to discuss weather after all and…
    India does seem to belong in the QUAD, birds of the same feather.
    heheheh

  184. @Malla

    Many Indians work for Japanese companies,…

    How an Indian, married into Japan’s first family,…

    That explains you jap-fetishism!

  185. @showmethereal

    The white Westerners are great sophists. The Indians (the red-dot kind) are an order of magnitude greater. But Mallie is among the best of his kind. His tactic seems to be writing tons of irrelevances to overwhelm his opponents.

  186. denk says:
    @d dan

    I did say ‘malla’ the ‘indian’ is very adept at talking outta both side of his mouth.

  187. Malla says:
    @Anon55

    The Afghani Taliban are not whores of the ISI, they are mutual allies and did actually stay loyal to each other through the thick of it.

    Pure bullshit. The earlier, pre-American intervention Taliban (not today’s Taliban, I will admit) were whores of Pakistan and ISI. They were funded and directed by Pakistan and Pakistan did it to increase their influence in Afghanistan. Fact. The earlier taliban would have made Afghanistan a whore of Pakistan. In an Oxford Union video, with ex ISI chief, General Asad Durrani (by Mehdi Hassan), a turban wearing Afghan accused the ISI cheif for Pakistani interference for the destruction of Afghanistan. 2.5 millions were killed, he asks Pakistan to make an apology or be taken to court. General Duranni answered, it was done because of the situation (Soviet Occupation and later power struggle).
    There has always been a power struggle in Afghanistan in between Pakistan and India. From India’s point of view, this would keep the Pakistani military divided in between East and West as well as the fears of any Islamic fundamentalist movement in Afghanistan being used by the Pakistanis in Indian Kashmir. But the Taliban now has assured India that Afghanistan will not be used as abase for Kashmiri militants/revolutionaries. I admit that it had been in India’s benefit when both the Soviets and the Americans were in Afghanistan. India and USSR were deep allies and Pakistan was an American ally funding the anti-Soviet forces. During the American period, India was smart to not put boots on the ground and the Indians actually let the Americans and their allies dot he heavy lifting of military security while India built infrastructure like the parliament, dams etc.. as well as infiltrate in Pakistan’s West even in Baluchistan. In other words, India was riding on American wings and was pissed when the USA withdrew (how arrogant, Americans/British/NATO etc.. did the fighting due to which India could do its activities). However because India did not put Indian troops on the ground, it benefited India enormously or India would have been far more unpopular. Check out Abhishek Iyer Mitra’s video on Afghanistan.
    Two things
    1] The present Taliban are not as pro-Pakistan as the earlier Taliban (who were whores of Pakistan, Simple as). And since many Taliban fighters had seen their own families benefit from Indian built infrastructure, they had a more positive opinion of India than one would expect.
    2] The relationship in between Pakistan and the Taliban had soured in between time period.

    In other words, it is India which played a master move, did not have to put boots on the ground and gained influence in Afghan society under cover of Murica and NATO forces, who were the ones dying and wasting money. The victory of Pakistan in Afghanistan recently is a Phyrric victory, the Taliban government does not accept the Durrand line and instead of any possible problems in Indian Kashmir, Pakistan now has a border conflict with Afghanistan and has the risk of insurgency spreading into its northern Pastun areas. LOL
    And as far as the earlier whore Ghani Afghan Government, they seemed quite Afghan Nationalist and had similar policies with the Taliban on one thing. They too did not accept the Durrand line with Pakistan. LOL. May be the Pakistanis thought that a Taliban Government would change its position on this issue, but disappointment.
    But in Pakistan’s defense, the Durrand line is valid because the Afghan king had himself invited the British Indian Government to send delegates to demarcate the borders. The Afghan King waited till Major General Sir Frederick Roberts was in charge as the Afghans was scared shit of Roberts as Major General Roberts had flattened and gained total domination over Afghanistan in the Second Anglo Afghan War (Something the Americans and Soviets could never achieve later) and then the Afghan Emir himself invited the British Imperial Government to come to demarcate the border in between the British Empire (Pakistan today) and the Emirate of Afghanistan when Mortimer Durand, a British diplomat of the Indian Civil Service came in charge after Roberts left.

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  188. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    You wrote a lot for nothing.

    It is a lot for intelligible people, it is nothing for buffoons who are blinded by Anglo hatred mental disease.

    Some decisions were just dumb – like the 2 Pakistans

    It was not a British decision. It was a Muslim league decision. Jinnah’s decision. See, the question was British India was to be divided in between India and Pakistan. Once that decision was taken, East Pakistan was bound to be part of Pakistan, nobody then, the Muslim bengalis, the Muslim league etc… had any concept or bring up a concept of a separate Bengali Muslim country. Jinnah, the founder of Pakistan wanted East Pakistan to be part of Pakistan, not the British. The British policy was that (once they grudgingly accepted the division of India) all Muslims who wanted to be part of Pakistan could join Pakistan. The Muslim league wanted East Pakistan as part of Pakistan. Jinnah wanted it. If you say that East Pakistan was a cunning British ploy in some bazaar in Karachi, the Pakistanis will die laughing. I know Pakistan is now your slave country, and you their colonial masters, but if you are stupid enough to say something against Jinnah, the George Washington of Pakistan, you would get your ass raped.
    So the Muslims of East Bengal wanted to be part of Pakistan, the Muslim League of Jinnah which created Pakistan wanted them as part of Pakistan, but this low IQ Chinese monkey showmethereal, with no idea of what he talks about thinks this was a trick. Are you freaking mad?
    Indeed you are moving into Indian Nationalist territory. Hardcore Indian Nationalists believe Jinnah was a British agent and that he was sent to divide India and that Pakistan is an illegitimate colonial creation and thus it should be dismantled and return to the Indian motherland. Are you going to support this position? Is China going to oppose colonialism and support the destruction of this fake colonial creation Pakistan and support India absorbing it? Answer me bitch? Of course you wont, that is not in China’s interest, you would never support India becoming too strong. You guys are cunning slimeballs and think others like Indians, Japanese etc.. are all idiots. Your bag of tricks are too simple.

    Indeed what you do not know is that even this part of India wanted to join Pakistan too. Well atleast the King, not the Hindu majority people.

    Indian Nationalist Vallabhai Patel was not having any of this nonsense and sent in the Indian Army to crush this place and absorb it into India. The Pakistanis are still pissed off about this. Indeed they consider Kashmir a reverse case, where a Hindu king of a Muslim majority land joined India.
    And guess what? Indian Nationalist and freedom fighter leader Patel was the one to warn Nehru that the Communist Chinese was India’s prime enemy, do not trust the Chinese, we look at them as friends but they look at us as enemies back in 1950.
    So no, your idiotic theory that the British malevolently wanted to create a Pakistan divided by India has no grounds whatsoever but the ramblings of baffoon whose virulent head is stuck in his own ass.

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  189. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    IIRC Subhas Chandra himself said that he and Nehru were playing it both ways

    Impossible, can you give me the reference? Nehru was completely against the Axis because Nehru, from the very beginning was pro-Soviet (even though in manners he was an Anglophile). Nehru could not stand Bose. Nehru and his father were invited to the Soviet Union to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Russian revolution and treated like superstars (to cultivate them to destroy the British Empire hehe).

    Indeed most Indians today actually hate pro-Marxist Nehru as a traitor to the nation, calling him both a British as well as a Chinese agent. And most people in India worship the National Socialist Bose. There are conspiracy theories (very common in India) that Bose had escaped the plane crash of the Japanese military airplane in Taiwan and survived but Nehru was afraid, Bose was too popular and would lose power and thus had him interned in a Soviet jail.

    Check out Bose’s speech in Tokyo.

    If someone thinks Bose was just “using the Japanese”, they need to get their heads checked.

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  190. antibeast says:
    @denk

    The CIA was arming and supporting the Dalai Lama in Tibet against China in 1959, in violation of the ‘seventeen point agreement’ made in 1951. Here’s its Wikipedia entry:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement

    With the assistance of the CIA, the Dalai Lama then fled to India. Three years later, Nehru initiated the 1962 border war against China, after the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960.

    Don’t tell me Nehru didn’t get any ‘encouragement’ from the CIA to attack China? Just one year later, the CIA assassinated JFK, installed LBJ as President of the USA and staged the Gulf of Tonkin false flag incident in 1964 which served as the casus belli for LBJ to send US combat troops to Vietnam.

    Pray tell who are the sepoys of the West here?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @showmethereal
    , @denk
  191. Malla says:
    @d dan

    The fault belonged to corrupt Chinese officials on the coast, not the Emperors.
    According to Rodney Gilbert
    “Meanwhile two foreign envoys had set out for Peking and had failed to secure audiences. Russia had wearied of flattering Chinese vanity, and while willing to make large concessions to keep alive the overland trade between Peking and Moscow, the Tsar was not inclined to be put in the position of a tributary. A Russian ambassador who arrived at Kalgan in 1805, bringing with him enormously valuable presents, was told that if received at court he would have to kow-tow. This he refused to do, and so, after some debate, he packed up his presents and returned with them to Moscow.
    In 1816 the second British mission arrived, headed by Lord Amherst. He was allowed to reach Peking and was told upon his arrival, after a hard journey, that the Emperor Chia Chi’ng was even then awaiting him at the Summer Palace six miles north of the city. As the baggage had not come and the ambassador had no means of changing his travel-stained clothes, he refused to go on ; so the Emperor was kept waiting and was so indignant that he refused to see Lord Amherst at all. The mission therefore returned with nothing accomplished, but with a good deal of ill-will on both
    sides.
    Great Britain had, by this time, begun to take official cognizance of the value of trade with China. The East India Company had a monopoly of this traffic which expired in 1834, and the agreement between the Government and the Company was not renewed. Independent American trade with China had commenced in 1784, and many other nations were participating in 1834, so that England decided, when her Far Eastern trade was thrown open to free competition and private enterprise, to appoint a trade superintendent, a consul-general with full diplomatic powers—in other words, to promote British interests at Canton. The first incumbent was Lord Napier, who had
    no patience with Chinese methods if he had understood them. Without asking for permission to visit Canton through the intermediation of the 13 Hongs, as was customary, he proceeded to his post and attempted to open direct communications on a basis of equality with the Viceroy Lu K’un.
    His letter greatly incensed this potentate, who refused to see him at all, and promptly put a ban upon Chinese trade with the British. At this crucial juncture Lord Napier became very ill and had to go back to Macao, where he died shortly after. ”

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  192. Malla says:
    @Malla

    “The Chinese Viceroy believed that he had registered a diplomatic victory, and was so pleased that he graciously permitted the resumption of trade. Napier’s successor got nowhere in his negotiations, but in 1836 a certain Captain Elliot was appointed trade superintendent, who, by a liberal use of soft-soap, won many concessions and laid the foundations of much future trouble. He addressed the Viceroy as a superior, accepted privileges as acts of grace, and in other ways encouraged the Chinese to believe that the British had knuckled under.
    About this time the Chinese began to discover that the national supply of silver bullion was being depleted. The British traders, representing a Company long established in India, had catered to the Chinese liking for opium, and had built up an enormous trade in the drug, in which all nationalities participated, though the British naturally had the advantage because they controlled what was then the principal source of supply. Chinese officials everywhere encouraged the traffic, though it was under Imperial ban, because their commissions were enormous.
    Exports amounted to little as compared with the opium import, and China soon learned that the foreigners were taking her silver out of the country by the shipload, thus depleting the nation’s stock and greatly enhancing the value of the metal.
    The Canton Viceroy was instructed to put an end to this business in a summary way, and did so. In 1839 the foreign companies at Canton were ordered to deliver up their opium stocks, and, being unable to resist, 20,000,000 chests were turned over to the authorities. The Viceroy was keen on sending this north as loot, but Peking ordered him to destroy the whole seizure, and, as there was then some discipline in official circles, the opium was mixed with lime and thrown into the sea.
    This act brought on China’s first real foreign war. The opium traffic was undoubtedly a heinous trade, but the officials at Canton had smiled upon it and profited by it; and their arbitrary seizure without warning of stocks valued at something like \$6,000,000 was naturally resented bitterly. This sum represented much more in those days than it does now. If foreigners were to continue to trade with China, such an action had to be challenged, and the burden of the responsibility fell upon the British. In 1840 China was faced for the first time with a real foreign war, though Peking was far from realizing the significance of it. It meant no more at Court than the impertinence of a clique of pirates operating on the coast, and was taken no more seriously. The eventual shock was therefore all the more humiliating. “”

  193. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    At 1:20 Mr Gungwu says, that the ancient Chinese looked to India as the Western Heaven because of Buddhism. This is directed at that Muslim crackpot, Rayaleast who claims Indian civilization did not exist.

    Wang Gungwu is not entirely wrong but his view that the Chinese looked to India as the ‘Western Heaven’ is not entirely true either. In Mahayana Buddhism, the ‘Pure Land’ (Sukhāvatī) is located in the ‘Western Paradise’ where the Buddha of Infinite Light (Amitabha Buddha) resides and where his devout followers would be reborn after death. Wang Gungwu could be referring to the Chinese Epic called ‘Journey to the West’ wherein the ‘West’ referred to the ‘Western Regions’ which include Xinjiang, Central Asia and India as documented by the Chinese Monk Xuanzang in his historical account ‘Great Tang Records on the Western Regions’.

    Methinks Gungwu incorrectly conflates the two concepts together: the mythical ‘Western Paradise’ of Pure Land Buddhism with the allegorical ‘West’ as depicted in Wu Cheng’en’s ‘Journey to the West’ or the historical ‘Western Regions’ as described in Xuanzang’s Great Tang Records on the Western Regions’.

    • Thanks: Malla
  194. Malla says:
    @d dan

    compulsive liar, unprincipled and shameless.

    Friend, most people in India (1.2 billion and thus 1/6th of humanity) including its Muslims as well as a,lot of people in places like Vietnam, Mongolia etc… would use those characteristics to describe China “compulsive liar, unprincipled and shameless”. Don’t believe me, do your own research in the streets of India.
    I disagreed with them, Indians around me on this topic, I had many Chinese friends. So I debated them, explained why the Chinese are not our enemies as they believe. Why our own Government is not that innocent, What was I called by Indian Nationalists, Indian patriots? Guess

    just to kiss the British and Japanese assholes.

    A variation of the above, ” lies and half-truth that I spewed out just to kiss Chinese assholes”.
    All those techniques you use, are used against you. You have your Wumaos and we have ours.

    Yes, you were “defending China” by claiming that China should let Tibet (or Xinjiang) be independent.

    I am also arguing for India letting Kashmir, Nagaland/North East etc…gain independence and give Arunachal Pradesh/ South Tibet to China. And just as Chinese Wumaos are sensitive on the subject, Indian Wumaos are sensitive on these topics too. Indian nationalists will not give China an inch. They will bleed and die to take their territory back if they lose it. Wait a 1000 years. We have our Wumaos, you have yours.

    Lets give you an example. Abhijit Chavda is a hardcore Indian Nationalist (like the majority of Indians)

    Can India Reclaim POK & Aksai Chin? | #AskAbhijit E9Q6 | Abhijit Chavda
    His Indian viewers asked him this question. Check out his answer. Check out what he says about Tibet. Indians will not accept the Chinese rule over Tibet. The Government of India officially accepts it, 1.2 billion, Indians do not and never ever will. Chavda is also very anti-British and anti-American like most Indian Nationalists. This is what you are dealing with, Japan and Britain are nothing, 1.2 billion people with nukes, learn to read what they think about your China, about Tibet.

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  195. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    One gets the feeling that those Chinese idiots are so deeply troubled by the truth that they spew a lot of hatred and nonsense.

    A history teacher in People’s Republic of China, Song Genyi questioned the Government accounts of the so called Nanking massacre. She says, no names or ID or anything was ever provided about those so called victims. She concluded, it was most probably fabricated by Chinese historians with very little evidence. She even questioned the official history (in China as well as the West) of the root cause of the Sino Japanese War of WW2, did the Japanese just attack China out of the blue or it was much more complicated than it seems? Her video went viral of Weibo (like You Tube). Her school, the Shanghai Aurora Vocational School fired her. Another teacher in China, a cute looking teacher, Li Tiantian from Hunan province, supported Song Genyi’s questioning of official history. Li Tiantian, did not question the Nanking Massacre, only Song Genyi’s freedom of speech. Guess what happened to her in China. She lost her job too and the Chinese Government sent her to a mental hospital!!! I freakin kid you not. And she was 4 months pregnant when they did this. She was crying for help on social media (a young woman) because a group of people were coming to her with needles before taking her to a mental hospital. She was taken without her will to the Yungsong Public Security Bureau. Earlier the Chinese people supported this action, as they felt they were being sympathetic to the Jap devils. But later they felt sympathetic to her situation (Li Tiantian), so the Chinese authorities forced her family to consent to her being in the mental hospital!! To save her own ass, her mother was forced to make a video claiming Li Tiantian was depressed and crazy. LOL. She actually thanked the Government for sending her to the mental hospital, if she had not, she might have ended in the mental hospital too. LOL.

    But we need to ask, are democracies really better? Can a teacher in India question the official Indian Government accounts of the Julianwala Baug incident during British Empire days and speak the truth? Or about the Official Indian account of the 1962 Indo-China war where Indians are told that the evil Chinese suddenly attacked via backstab? Will such a teacher not lose his or her job and face attacks from Indian Nationalists? I am sure the teacher will not be sent to a mental institution like in China, that I am sure. LOL.
    But is the West really better? Great Poet Ezra Pound who supported the Axis during WW2 was put in a mental hospital for 12 & half years!! Old woman Monika Schaefer kept in jail for questioning the Holohoax. Is the West already Communist and does not know it yet?

  196. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Don’t tell me Nehru didn’t get any ‘encouragement’ from the CIA to attack China?

    No he did not. Nehru and his minister Menon were extremely anti West. Unless you have concrete evidence of any kind, this is ridiculous. Nehru did not get along with the Americans, Nehru was pro-Soviet even before Indian Independence, the Soviets had invited him to celebrate the 10th anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Menon the defense minister was even more leftist and was famous for making speeches attacking the West and accusing the West for their “colonial mindset”.
    Indeed Nehru is considered to pro-China by Indians because of his Marxist tendencies.
    https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/jawaharlal-nehru-and-how-his-love-for-marxism-affected-india
    Jawaharlal Nehru And How His Love For Marxism Affected India by Aravindan Neelakandan

    https://www.thehindu.com/features/magazine//article59843481.ece
    Nehru’s Soviet sojourn

    https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781003123446-24/visit-motilal-jawaharlal-nehru-ussr-1927-yunel
    Visit of Motilal and Jawaharlal Nehru to the USSR in 1927 from the book
    The Russian Revolution and India by A.I. Yunel

    Menon was also the defense minister during the Indo-China war. From Indian Nationalist point of view, both the West and China were aggressive evil colonial forces and hell bent on destroying India.
    Again not my personal view. India started collaborating with the USA secretly after the 1962 war against China and during the Indo-China war, Nehru begged the USA for air support and the Americans humiliated him (revenge time baby) but promised him support anyways. But before American involvement, the Chinese side called in a ceasefire. Before 1962, there was nothing much.
    Any chance of Indo-American relations was further destroyed as Pakistan and the USA became major allies, Pakistan. Pakistan was part of the pro-USA Baghdad pact. All India got from the USA was food aid and help in agriculture. But in Industries, India went for a Soviet model with Soviet help.
    Nehru was pro Soviet way before 1947 but Nehru was also influenced by the ideas of FD Roosevelt and his New Deal, Roosevelt had pro-Communist tendencies anyways. Interestingly Stalin was not as friendly to India and the Third World in general as Stalin was born in Ossetia which borders Europe and Asia, so Stalin was street smart enough to know that the Third world is hardcore shit and a waste of money. Stalin was more into Europe. Khrushchev had Trotskyist leanings and when he came to power, the USSR started taking interest in the Third World and Third World liberation movements in Africa. So Indo-Soviet relations had to wait till Khrushchev came to power in the 50s to bloom.
    Pakistan was against any strong alliance with the USSR as they believed that since they are a nation built on Islam and Allah/God, they could not have strong relations with an atheist power, so Pakistan chose the USA and became a staunch US ally. So the probability of strong alliance with the USA was very low for India in those days.

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  197. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    The white Westerners are great sophists. The Indians (the red-dot kind) are an order of magnitude greater.

    LOL Kettle calling the Pot black. Or as the saying goes in India “Ulta chor kotwal ko daate” he most apt for the Chinese. Ask your Pakistani slaves, what this means. LOL.

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  198. Malla says:
    @denk

    The japs are white ass lickers,

    Cheap Chinese propaganda (very childish too) to force Japan to do what China wants it to do.
    Anyways, Chinese are buying up important strategic areas of Japan and many Japanese politicians go to Beijing and come back with fat wallets and satisfied happy dicks, but it is all on tape, so possible blackmail by CCP. CCTV of CCTV. LOL. “Barbarian management” like those days of old. Hehehe

    Similar to the cheap childish propaganda of India as sepoy. So shame India to give up its territory by calling sepoy, except only the Indians were laughing blue at the childish level of propaganda and blackmail. Indian nationalists themselves use this tactic, old trick denki. But when the Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, this cheap, India as sepoy of Murica/West bullshit collapsed as India sided with Russia inspite of Murican threats and cajoling. This proved India is independent and not sepoy and Chinese propaganda fall flat infront of world. Wang Yi slithered in and Wang Yi slithered out after seeing Indian Middle Finger. LOL I was warning you against this cheap lies and propaganda, did not listen, now look like fool. LMFAO.

    In Oz,
    Top intelligence chief warns China’s ‘troubling’ strategic convergence with Russia poses threat to democracies

    Which country is missing? Oh where is Vietnam? Why so shy to speak about Vietnam? Chinese actions have done the impossible, they pissed off the Communist Vietnamese, yes the same Vietnamese who fought like lions against Americans and Ozzies. And also gave the Chinese foreign invaders a good ass-whoping, Chinese do not talk about that war very much. So China via its aggressive Wolf Warrior behaviour has made the Communist Vietnamese an ally of Australia and the West!!!! China did the impossible. Congratulations.
    Japan financed Vietnamese People’s Navy buying Submarines and India provided the Vietnamese submarine sailors training in its training camp. Communist Vietnam has signed intelligence sharing with Australia. Only China actions could make this possible. Wow!!!

    Why’d India quit the QUAD ?

    Oh please, QUAD is so passe and old fashioned. Now we have QUAD plus. Check it out.
    QUAD Plus meetings
    The participation of representatives from New Zealand, South Korea and Vietnam, the latter is the first country from Southeast Asia/ASEAN to join, have also been seen as another attempt to expand the importance of the QUAD as well as the growing threat China posed in the region.
    Quad Plus countries like Vietnam, New Zealand, Brazil, Israel, and South Korea can become crucial partners within such national initiatives.
    China is QUAD’s best friend. Thanks to China’s attitude, QUAD grow and grow.
    Also no talk about Philippines buying anti-ship Brahmos missiles from India directed at the Chinese PLAN.
    And even more interesting, China has attained the near impossible, made the Koreans hate China more than even they hate Japan. Now that is one more near impossible task Wolf Warrior China achieved other than making Communist Vietnam ally of West.

    https://mothership.sg/2021/08/anti-china-south-korea/
    South Koreans now dislike China more than Japan, 58% surveyed feel China ‘close to evil’

    Wow, what an achievement, China only steal Indian land, its OK, India take it back in future, in Korea’s case, China attempt stealing heritage. Claim Hanbok and Kimchi wuz Chinese. Chinese version of We wuz kangs Wakandaism. Did China claim Hangul script too? Do it, and see that percentage rise from 58% above to 88%. LOL.
    Me thinks it is not Japan which is looking down on other Asians but middle Kingdom CCP looking down on other Asians, making them all run into the open smelly arms of Western Whitey. Except India, Indian smell more than Whitey.
    Book by CCP —“How to not make Friends and not Influence People”. hehehehe
    But denki, your Malla will always be friend of China.

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  199. @Malla

    I get it.. you don’t understand what is jurisdiction. Have you ever been in a court? A judge doesn’t have to listen to claimants when making a ruling. Neither does a colonizer. Anyone would know it’s a dumb idea and you are dumb for thinking the Brits couldn’t have done it differently if they felt like it. But yeah they were empire weary at that point.

    I know you want to believe white people actually care about you and what you think. They didn’t then and they don’t know. Fool yourself all you want.

    Your non stop insults thrown at everyone shows you are simply a frustrated soul whose own convoluted reasoning entangles himself. But it’s not all bad. I’d say about 25 percent of what you say is accurate about international things. I don’t know much about conditions inside India itself – so I make no judgement regarding that. When I see you argue with your fellow Indians I stay out of it – because I have no clue who is right or not. But I can tell you

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  200. @Deep Thought

    Yeah he says a few things that are correct – but yeah a lot of irrelevant garbage. I mean arguing on behalf of Japan on this thread (I’ve seen him do it before) – I mean just gives a headache. Sometimes I wonder if it’s human. I don’t even engage it anymore. Except when it jumps on a comment I make to someone else.

  201. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    If Nehru was hostile to the USA as you claim prior to the outbreak of the 1962 Sino-Indian War, then how come Nehru gave sanctuary to the Dalai Lama which led a failed CIA-armed Tibetan uprising against China in 1959?

    That same year, Khrushchev visited the USA which culminated in the cancellation of the Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal upon his return visit to China. Mao was so incensed with Khrushchev‘s betrayal that it led to Sino-Soviet Split in 1960. Remember that Mao was intent on developing nuclear weapons technology as part of his ‘two-bombs-and-one-satellite’ project which he launched during the Great Leap Forward (circa 1958-1962). The USA, on the other hand, was intent on preventing Mao from acquiring nuclear weapons technology from the Soviet Union. So Eisenhower somehow managed to ‘persuade’ Khrushchev to cancel the 1957 Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal in 1959. Then, that same year, the Dalai Lama fled to India after his failed CIA-backed uprising against China. If the CIA somehow managed to ‘persuade’ Nehru to give sanctuary to the Dalai Lama, then surely they could ‘persuade’ Nehru to initiate hostilities against China which then led to the 1962 Sino-Indian border war. There was absolutely no reason why Mao would want to initiate that war, preoccupied as he was with developing nuclear weapons technology in preparation for the looming Vietnam War against the USA, which officially started with LBJ seeking US Congressional approval to send US combat troops in response to the Gulf-of-Tonkin false flag incident.

    Now, you’re telling me that Indian nationalists blame China for instigating the 1962 Sino-Indian border war?

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  202. @showmethereal

    You’re full of it, just like the rest of Chinese trolls on the site.

  203. @denk

    “Abe reaming white ass. [Rubio]

    Suga fellating Black dick [Austin]”

    If you want to see how a nation does and acts is to go see their mini enclaves in foreign countries, so, if you live in New York you get to see the behavior of those aliens. For example, the Japanese women, when they go out with a non Japanese, it’s usually black men but the Chinese women, who far outnumber all other immigrants, almost exclusively prefer White men to the point of rejecting Chinese men and Chinese homosexuals, on the other hand, prefer blacks and Jews to rough ride them. So, overall, I would say it’s the Chinese who not only hate themselves but also prefer fellating Whites and getting reamed by blacks. Of course, you’re welcome to come see for yourself!

  204. Anon55 says:
    @Malla

    Pure bullshit.

    No, for the reason you just outlined.

    not today’s Taliban, I will admit

    Why did you think I was talking about the last war where the Taliban came from Kandahar with hat in hand needing help to win a multi-factional native civil war?

    But the Taliban now has assured India that Afghanistan will not be used as abase for Kashmiri militants/revolutionaries.

    Because the Taliban are mutual allies of the ISI and not their whores, as my earlier point. The will do things in their own interests and balance it out with their mutual relationship in mind.

    May be the Pakistanis thought that a Taliban Government would change its position on this issue, but disappointment.

    That was a calculated risk, even the first Taliban under Mullah Omar rejected the Durand Line. They’ll eventually have to work it out.

    In other words, it is India which played a master move, did not have to put boots on the ground and gained influence in Afghan society under cover of Murica and NATO forces, who were the ones dying and wasting money.

    As I said, India might be selling cars in Afghanistan in a few years.

    But none of this rebuts my claim that India was already sleeping with the biggest and cheapest whore on the block which represented foreign interests and the elites of Kabul:
    “ India did many things in Afghanistan. It pumped in cash and resources and created a relationship, but perhaps its biggest failing was that it was late in [reaching out to] the other side (Taliban). Kabul is not equivalent to Afghanistan; India put too [much trust] in the US mirage there. It went late to Doha. Its reach mirrored the US’s. We must remember that the Taliban is not India’s enemy. It never was.”
    https://www.theweek.in/theweek/cover/2021/08/19/taliban-has-never-been-india-enemy.amp.html

    The current Taliban weren’t whores…as you yourself admitted. They represented the regular people of Afghanistan more than anyone else. And India wasted time staying loyal to the cheapest whore instead of negotiating with the non-whore and lost plenty of potential leverage in the country to China who saw the writing on the wall and will make good use of those highways and other infrastructure India built as they move their negotiated influence into the country.

  205. @antibeast

    Also of note Nepal discovered the CIA was using their territory to try to train insurgent Tibetans to go into China and Nepal booted them out. India gave safe haven to them and then claims it’s China who is the bad neighbor. More than the border – that backstabbing is the main issue…. That’s what Nepal and China get along well – to the consternation of India.

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  206. @American Bulwark

    Now we both know that you can’t dig up grievances going back to a thousand years because there will be no end to it and the world would come to a grinding halt, therefore, let’s keep to the last 100+ years to settle differences.

    Ok, even better.
    It was not the Chinese but the Manchus who conquered Tibet in the late early 1700s and added it to their other conquests … China, Xinjiang, Mongolia and of course Manchuria to form their Qing Dynasty, which is know in in shorthand for Western minds as Qing China. Westerners just conflate everything to “China”, not knowing the complexities involved.

    Several points to note here:
    1. Chinese did not conquer Tibet in 1950. Manchus did in 1700s. Tibet has been part of the modern Chinese polity longer than the USA has existed.
    2. The modern PRC, is the heir of the Manchu Qing China, and Tibet is part of that inherited polity.
    3. After the fall of the Qing, the subsequent Nationalist government aka Taiwan, never gave up claim on Tibet even though it was embroiled in war with Japan and later civil war with the Communists. It was the Imperial Japanese who encouraged the Tibetans to secede in order to harm China. The Japanese were the ones who designed the Tibetan flag that clueless Westerners like to wave around.
    4. After the defeat of the Nationalists, the Communists aka PRC China were finally strong enough to re-established control of Tibet in 1950, it was an action not unlike the USA re-conquering a seceding CSA.
    5. The Chinese had a sense of urgency to return Tibet to PRC control as it was the height of tensions with the West when it was known that the CIA and MI6 were sending agents to the Tibetans to turn them to their side. The Korean war was ongoing.

    And based on that formula, China out of Tibet and East Turkmenistan, India out of Sikkim, Rohingyas out of Burma, Pakistan out of Kashmir, Israel out of Palestine, Turkey out of Cyprus, Russia out of the Kurile Islands and let’s leave Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Samoa, the Falklands, the Gibraltar, Diego García etc alone because it won’t get us anywhere.

    On the contrary. It will.

    The only reason why the West does not consider this solution is because it will have BY FAR the most to lose…..Imagine all the people of white descent from North and South America, Australia and New Zealand returning to Europe.

    All the Americans who advocate China leaving Tibet and Xinjiang do not understand the logical continuation of that proposal. The USA will lose far more than Hawaii or Puerto Rico. The whites of the whole country will have to go back to Europe.

    Taiwan issue must be decided by the Taiwanese people through a democratic vote

    Taiwan is just a short hand which it is conveniently known. Do you know what its full title is? Republic of China.
    Some points to note:
    1. Taiwan regards itself as fully Chinese and its government considers itself the legitimate government of the WHOLE of China.
    2. Until recently is legislative Yuan (parliament/congress) had representatives for every part of China….Can you imagine a Governor of Beijing based in Taiwan?
    3. PRC’s territorial claims are inherited from Taiwan’s which is inherited from the Qing. In fact Taiwan claims more territories than PRC. And that includes Outer Mongolia too.
    4. Western accusations against China’s claims on the South China Sea islands are recent. When the Nationalists/Taiwan were still in power, all those islands were recognised as Chinese territory. If you are able to find US naval maps of that area before 1949, you will see those islands demarcated as China. However after the Communists won the civil war, suddenly the West changed their mind.
    5. But the Taiwanese claims on the SCS still stand. The largest island is still garrisoned by Taiwanese marines. Somehow your MSM is silent on all of this.

    ownership would belong to Muslim Malays

    They are not the original inhabitants. Those are known as Orang Asli…”orginal people”. They have features that remind of the pygmies of Africa. Now they only exist in isolated communities in peninsular Malaysia. In East Malaysia, the indigenous peoples like Dayak, Dusun who tend to be Christian or native religions are being swamped by the muslim Malays, primarily for election and control purposes. Tensions are high, there are simmerings of secession.

    All said and done, I am happy to return to the country of my ancestors. Are you?

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  207. Realist says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Little, because they weren’t backed by their own people. Those truckers were more popular in the States, and perhaps in places like France.

    Exactly…and that is my point…most people would rather go along, to get along.

  208. @Malla

    Or as the saying goes in India “Ulta chor kotwal ko daate” he most apt for the Chinese. Ask your Pakistani slaves, what this means.

    You have just proved me right– I have no answer to the above. I mean to say this as a compliment!!! 😀

  209. @showmethereal

    LOL, “the Brits were more benevolent than the Portuguese and Spanish”

    An illustration:

    If the Portuguese and Spanish were like bandits who kick and clobber a victim before they slit his throat,

    The Brits were like bandits who smiled and reassured a victim that he is headed to heaven before they slit his throat.

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  210. @Deep Thought

    Where I come from, many become lawyers. No doubt from their cultural affinity for meaningless convoluted arguments. If you try look for integrity or honesty behind those arguments…good luck. They simply argue for the sake of arguing.

    If only their physical actions were as copious as their words, their country would be in the 1st world already.

    Their motto: Why do, when you can talk about doing?

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  211. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Yup. Not just Nepal, the CIA was also using India as a base against China, as documented below:

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v30/d337

    At a 13 December 1963 meeting “The Special Group approved the continuation of CIA controlled Tibetan Operations [1 line of source text not declassified].” Previous operations had gone to support isolated Tibetan resistance groups within Tibet and to the creation of a paramilitary force on the Nepal/Tibet border of approximately 2,000 men, 800 of whom were armed by [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] airdrop in January 1961. In 1963, as a result of the [2 lines of source text not declassified] and as a result of the cited Special Group meeting, the Agency began a more broadly based political program with the exiled Tibetans. This included bringing 133 Tibetans to the United States for training in political, propaganda and paramilitary techniques; continuing the support subsidy to the Dalai Lama’s entourage at Dharmsala, India; continuing support to the Nepal based Tibetan guerrillas; the reassignment of a part of the unarmed guerrillas to India for further training; and the [6 lines of source text not declassified]. Operational plans call for the establishment of approximately 20 singleton resident agents in Tibet [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] two road watch teams in Tibet to report possible Chinese Communist build-ups, and six border watch communications teams [1 line of source text not declassified]. The [Page 732] [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] will stay in direct touch with Dharmsala and will conduct political correspondence with Tibetan refugee groups [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] to create an increased Tibetan national political consciousness among these refugees. The [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] was established in October 1963, and the communications center serving it, [1 line of source text not declassified] is presently being built with a completion date scheduled in February 1964.

    Nehru must have given tacit approval to the CIA to conduct covert operations inside India for the purpose of supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against China, prior to and after his 1962 Sino-Indian War. Indian nationalists now want to claim that China was at fault for the 1962 Sino-Indian War while ignoring the historical evidence that Nehru initiated the war, most likely at the behest of the CIA which sought his help in granting refuge to the Dalai Lama and his Tibetan guerrillas in Dharmsala, India.

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  212. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    f the CIA somehow managed to ‘persuade’ Nehru to give sanctuary to the Dalai Lama, then surely they could ‘persuade’ Nehru to initiate hostilities against China which then led to the 1962 Sino-Indian border war

    Hostilities vs China in 1962 was an India Vs China thing. There was no need for the CIA to get involved. And as far as helping the Dalai Lama, that was India’s own initiative. If the USA as a nation would have never existed, India would have still helped the Dalai Lama in his dire condition. Indeed Indians accuse Nehru for not doing enough for Tibet and being too pro China until 1962. But average Indians do not understand historical Sino-Tibet relations, they are basically nationalistic thaggish hotheads who expect the Indian Government to do things which are not possible in normal diplomatic situations.
    However, India did start collaborating with the CIA clandestinely after 1962 though India remained pro Soviet till the end. RAW was formed after 1962, the earlier IB (Intelligence Bureau) was retired/reserved for internal intelligence and thought the IB was inherited from British Raj (thus Pakistan has an IB too along with their ISI), IB was rationally closer to the KGB but RAW had relations with CIA but RAW was formed after 1962 due to the failures of 1962.

    Now, you’re telling me that Indian nationalists blame China for instigating the 1962 Sino-Indian border war?

    100% of Indians blame (rightly or wrongly) China for suddenly attacking India by deception. Of course this is popular belief and it may not be the truth. Indians cannot accept India ever acting aggressively, indeed Indians believe , India is toooo peaceful and kind others take advantage of India. According to them India needs to be more strong, more aggressive to get back the traditional ancient respect we rightfully deserve from the World. The idea that India would invade any other country is beyond their conception, I mean whole streets full of people would faint by that idea. I am not joking. If say, India was responsible for that war via its Forward policy and China only responded, that is what really happened. Now if I go to streets full of people and tell them this, they would all think I am a psycho. Some would faint, some would die laughing and call a mental hospital and some would attack me for spreading rumours and being an agent of enemy country China/ traitor and probably beat me up. Any Indian here would agree with me on this.
    Of course truth is truth and popular belief is popular belief.

    Indian Nationalists think that China is an evil Empire ready to take over the World.

    Abhijit Chavda: India 2047 vs. China 2049: is the new evil empire on the verge of global domination?

    However they believe that the West is also evil and is scared of a rising China and will work against China to prevent China’s rise. And India can take advantage of this by having a temporary alliance with the West against common enemy. But in the long term they believe that the West will stop the rise of India too and work against India. they are scared of Western agents trying to break up India.

    Will The West Tolerate India’s Rise As Superpower? | #AskAbhijit E14Q10 | Abhijit Chavda

    Indian Nationalists believe that Europe’s and even America’s wealth came from looting India only. Renaissance in Europe was only because of Indian money only. All the Wealth of the Entire West is rightfully Indian property only. Western civilization was built on Indian wealth only. LOL.

    Why Can’t India Conquer Europe & Reclaim Its Looted Wealth? | Abhijit Chavda

    Indian Nationalists believe that China, Islamic World and the West are all unique evuls and India is unique good and unique peaceful civilization only. This is how most Indians think.

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  213. Anonydog says:

    Also, the non-nationalistic Muslim appeasing mainstream narrative, is the Hindu-Muslim divide was entirely due to the British divide and rule policy. This is popular among the older and non-Hindutva types. This idea is on the way out I think, because of the rise of Muslim hating Hindu right wing, who think all non-Hindus are traitors.

    Another preposterous idea that used to be popular, propagated mostly by the adherents and apologists of Brahmin nationalists is that the Indian caste system was a result of British policy! LOL.

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  214. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Something interesting.
    From
    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v19/d165
    165. Memorandum From the Department of State Executive Secretary (Brubeck) to the President’s Special Assistant for National Security Affairs (Bundy)0
    Washington, August 10, 1962.
    SUBJECT
    Possibility of Sino-Indian Negotiations over the Border Problem

    The GOI (Govt of India) has always maintained that it desires to settle the dispute by negotiation; but it has always made plain that it will only negotiate if Peiping is willing to admit there is substantial validity to the Indian position on the border question. The most fundamental aspect of the Indian position is the principle that the border is well-defined by geography, tradition and treaty and that the only matter subject to negotiation is the determination of how the principle applies to certain minor areas in dispute where surveys have not been undertaken. Peiping, however, claims that the entire border is undefined and that the Indian Government should negotiate from a tabula rasa, as it were.

    When the Chinese note suggests “there need not be any preconditions” for Sino-Indian discussions, Peiping seems to be repudiating India’s fundamental position and insisting on its own point of view as the point of departure, just as in the past. The China border question is such an emotionally charged question of national prestige among such a wide segment of literate Indian opinion that it would be extraordinarily difficult for Mr. Nehru to enter into actual negotiation with the Chinese on the terms Peiping now proposes. However, conversations about the border, short of actual negotiations, could undoubtedly be justified to Indian public opinion as they were in 1960.

    MALLA: The whole Indo China War issue was nothing but a border issue, nothing to do with the USA. Nehru was stuck in between Chinese repudiation of India’s whole position itself and a Nationalist Indian population which would not accept compromise.

  215. Malla says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Most Brits, particularly in Rotherham, would agree. But few would be telling us.

    One billion Indians will scream in agreement.

    perhaps a Japanese trait she has picked up because it isn’t Indian for sure.

    LOL. Agree.

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  216. Malla says:
    @Anonydog

    Exactly, what the Chinese do not realize is that there is a long tradition of “blame the British for everything” culture in India, which they are now displaying here too. But unfortunately for them, “Blame the Chinese for everything” is a thing too in India. In Indian eyes, the Chinese are in the same category as the British. LOL Whata shocker for them. LOL.

    I mean if you could make a Bollywood movie, where Chinese and British secretly collaborate to destroy Great India (out of jealousy and fear of unstoppable rising India), it would be a hit, it would be digested readily by the masses. And now you can add evil Muslims collaborating with the evil Chinese and evil Westerners to destroy great India, brave Indians sacrifice their lives for their country in the movie (lot of emotional scenes of Indians bleeding dying and calling out “Mother India”, Motherland, emotional scenes of their mothers crying but still proud for losing son for motherland blah blah) and finally the macho Indian hero defeats the evil trio powers and finally the evil Muslim, White and Chinese villians are at the feet of the brave macho tough Indian hero. LOL. A movie like that would sell easy in the 1 billion strong Indian market. It could be a hit.

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  217. @littlereddot

    Yeah I wish I knew where Malla gets a lot of his ideas…. Then again – it’s probably better I don’t

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  218. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Hostilities vs China in 1962 was an India Vs China thing. There was no need for the CIA to get involved. And as far as helping the Dalai Lama, that was India’s own initiative. … However, India did start collaborating with the CIA clandestinely after 1962 though India remained pro Soviet till the end. RAW was formed after 1962, the earlier IB (Intelligence Bureau) was retired/reserved for internal intelligence and thought the IB was inherited from British Raj (thus Pakistan has an IB too along with their ISI), IB was rationally closer to the KGB but RAW had relations with CIA but RAW was formed after 1962 due to the failures of 1962.

    There is no way for Nehru not to have known that the CIA was using India as its base for supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against a sovereign State — China — while claiming that offering refuge to the Dalai Lama — who was on the CIA payroll — was ‘India’s own initiative’. The predecessor to the RAW — IB — must have worked with the CIA in its covert operations to destabilize China during those crucial period when Mao launched his ‘two bombs and one satellite’ project to acquire or develop nuclear weapons technology for China. That’s why the Chinese had always suspected Nehru of being a sepoy to the West even though India was supposed to be the leader of the NAM while being an ally of the USSR. The Chinese leadership simply lost their faith in India’s non-aligned status after Nehru initiated the 1962 Sino-Indian War.

    As far as the US-China Cold War is concerned, Nehru’s India is not the innocent party that Indian nationalists claim it to be. Mao had no reason to initiate a hot war against its giant neighbor India as he was too busy worrying about the US-China Cold War, especially after the Khrushchev betrayal forced the Sino-Soviet Split in 1960. With Nehru initiating the 1962 Sino-Indian War, Mao knew that China was now alone in the world, facing Khrushchev’s USSR to the North, Nehru’s India to the South and Chiang’s Taiwan to the East. When the Vietnam War finally came in 1964, Khrushchev was deposed in the USSR while Mao was ready to face the USA when China detonated its first A-bomb that same year. Indian nationalists can’t gloss over these geopolitical realities by simplistically painting China — not the USA — as the bad guy. After all, Mao was interested in defending Vietnam in 1964, not in invading India in 1962, as alleged by Indian nationalists. The rest as they say is history.

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  219. Kali says:
    @FrodoWasAFremen

    Hi FrodoWasAFreeman,

    I was once a “Freeman” (on the land) too, before I discovered what freedom really is (it’s non-attachment, as well as full responsibility for all of ones actions, inactions, utterences…). Most of my closest and oldest friends are from that time in my life (actually, it’s how I met my husband, come to think about it). But I digress!

    I’ve just done a quick search and found nothing that really shows what I’m talking about… then I searched again in Portuguese. Nada.

    I am planning to build a new hugleculture bed in the next few days. Maybe I’ll try to set up my phole to record the work, as long as I don’t get overcome by shyness.

    Aha! – Hubby has just found a vid which shows how to use an enxada…

    I hope this is the sort of thing you were hoping for.

    Thank you for your comrent and your very kind words.

    Kind regards,
    Kali.

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  220. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    I get it.. you don’t understand what is jurisdiction.

    By the late part of the first half of the British Raj, both the Congress and Muslim League held enormous powers, there have been elections in India since the early 1900s. The British were negotiating non-stop with the Congress and Muslim League, non stop. Why need to do that, when the British could just do anything they want.
    Go check out the meaning of a Dairchy from a google (whichever search Engine) search
    diarchy
    /ˈdʌɪɑːki/
    noun
    noun: diarchy; plural noun: diarchies; noun: dyarchy; plural noun: dyarchies
    government by two independent authorities (especially in India 1919–35).
    Even a dictionary defines diarchy with India as an example. LOL

    I know you want to believe white people actually care about you and what you think. They didn’t then and they don’t know. Fool yourself all you want.

    No, LOL I do not care if White people care about me or not, never thought on this issue really. Because historical facts are historical facts, what does Whitey not caring about me have to do with historical facts??I am confused.

    Your non stop insults thrown at everyone shows you are simply a frustrated soul whose own convoluted reasoning entangles himself.

    Yes, I can get frustrated, frustrated at stupidity.

    I don’t know much about conditions inside India itself – so I make no judgement regarding that.

    No idea about conditions in India in the 1930s and 40s. That is for sure. Rest, I do not judge.

  221. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The document I posted at 216 showed that the whole Indo China war was a border dispute and nothing else. And China’s position was not acceptable to the Indian population with Nehru struck in the middle of the two. Simple as that.

    This document will clear everything

    https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1961-63v19/d214
    214. Telegram From the Embassy in India to the Department of State
    New Delhi, November 30, 1962, 5 p.m.
    2178. Harriman talks with Nehru.

    Harriman met Prime Minister Nehru four times; courtesy call shortly after arrival November 22; November 23 with Ambassador, [Page 415]Nitze, Kaysen and M.J. Desai present; November 25 alone and November 28 with Ambassador. At November 23meeting in response Harriman question Nehru said ChiCom primary purpose to humiliate India. Nehru then reviewed history of border dispute, recalling Chou En-lai December 1956 statement to Nehru he would accept McMahon line de facto and Chou’s later denial of statement; Chou’s 1956 offer trade NEFA status quo for ChiCom Ladakh claims which Nehru rejected; unproductive talks by officials following Nehru’s rejection Chou’s offer. Nehru observed that Aksai Chin and road valuable to ChiComs but rest Ladakh had no value. Harriman asked whether India had ever made offer to ChiComs on that corner Ladakh. Nehru said no, explained his offer of mutual withdrawal to line claimed by other side after which India prepared let ChiComs use road for civil purposes; said this offer repeated May 1962. Nehru emphasized India in undisputed possession NEFA for 50 years whatever ChiComs said about legal basis McMahon line. ChiCom attack in NEFA obviously required long preparation. Nehru several times said ChiCom intention was to deliver hard blow and make it [an?] agreement, then use time prepare for next blow and repeat pattern. Thus October 20 attack followed by October 24 offer, November 15 attack followed by November 21 cease fire. Nehru said India sure ChiComs would look forward to prolongation of truce for while.

    More continued in the page linked above.

    This proves beyond doubt that it was China which invaded India not the other way round. I was always confused about which side attacked whom before this but this document (from the site you linked, thanks) proves that China invaded India and Nehru believed that this was done to humiliate India and use it to soften India for further negotiations. This was recorded in 1962 just after the war. What Mao, never calculated in his invasion was the Indian public factor. The ferocious anger and desire for retribution from the revolutionary, thuggish, machismo, extremely patriotic Indian population, which unfortunately exists to this day.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  222. @showmethereal

    You two need to stop fellating each other so openly …

    • Troll: showmethereal
  223. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Nehru must have given tacit approval to the CIA to conduct covert operations inside India for the purpose of supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas

    Wrong, the operations of 1961 mentions Nepal, not India. Nepal should have been accused as sepoy of the West, not India.
    From the report

    Previous operations had gone to support isolated Tibetan resistance groups within Tibet and to the creation of a paramilitary force on the Nepal/Tibet border of approximately 2,000 men, 800 of whom were armed by [less than 1 line of source text not declassified] airdrop in January 1961.

    Why only use the shorter Nepali border with Tibet, and not the much longer Indian border with Tibet? India was most likely not involved. The Indo China war did not take place across this border (because, India was not at this border duh!!).
    Further

    In 1963, as a result of the [2 lines of source text not declassified] and as a result of the cited Special Group meeting, the Agency began a more broadly based political program with the exiled Tibetans.

    Yes, agreed, after the 1962 war, India became closer to the USA but only against PRC, not the USSR. This I admit, this is fact. Indeed during the war itself, Nehru had appealed to the USA for air support.
    So since 1962, India joined in with the American efforts with Nepal, while earlier, only Nepal was involved, it seems.

    However you have one point, since the CIA played a part in the escape of the Dalai Lama, and India allowed them in, there might have been some American pressure on India.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  224. @littlereddot

    If the Manchus conquered Tibet then it behooves China to release it from its stranglehold.

  225. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    There is a reason why I am so suspicious about Nehru being sepoy or atleast extreme sepoy. it is not that I am against China, but Nehru had a reputation of being anti-West and more pro-Leftist, post colonial, anti-colonial, third world solidarity. But it is possible he had a different publci image and secretly he sepoyed up. Personally I am not a big fan of Nehru but he is attacked by Indian Nationalists for being an enemy Chinese agent and the Chinese for being a Western agent leading to invasion of China. Lot of confusion.
    Anyways there is more info

    IKE AND INDIA, 1950–60
    https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Chapter-One-21.pdf

    “By his own admission, Eisenhower was fascinated with India, although in 1956 he had not yet visited the country. He was also fascinated by Nehru, whom he regarded like most Americans at the time as “a somewhat inexplicable and occasionally exasperating personality” because he often seemed to condemn American and British actions more vigorously than he condemned Soviet behavior.3 In the fall of 1956, for example, Nehru had strongly condemned the British- French- Israeli invasion of Egypt while more mildly criticizing the Soviet invasion of Hungary.”
    ….snip….
    But Nehru, Eisenhower concluded, would always be tougher on European and American actions, which reminded him of British imperialism, than on Russian and Chinese activities, which were often undertaken in support of anti-imperialist nationalist movements in the developing world. China was a major topic of their discussions. Nehru pressed Eisenhower to support giving Communist China the seat in the United Nations Security Council that Nationalist China had been given in 1945 at the end of World War II, making it one of the five permanent members of the Council with the right to veto any resolution it did not approve. It was “only logical that any government controlling six hundred million people will sooner or later have to be brought into the council of nations,” Nehru argued. The prime minister dismissed any possibility that China would attack India, given the “fortunate location of the Himalayan mountain chain” on their 1,800 miles of common border. India could not afford the cost of building a defense along this long border: Taking part in an arms race would jeopardize its hopes of development. Better, Nehru concluded, that India stay neutral in the cold war and seek to build friendly ties with China.6 Eisenhower, with China’s role in the Korean War still fresh in his memory, refused to budge on China and the UN seat. There is no record in the Eisenhower notes of Nehru’s raising the Dalai Lama’s request for help against China’s occupation of Tibet.
    Nehru was critical of U.S. arms sales to Pakistan, but he was confident that the two South Asian states could ultimately resolve their differences, including the dispute over Kashmir. He was more critical of Portugal, which still was holding onto its small colony in India at Goa. Because Portugal was a NATO member and an American ally, Nehru pressed Ike to get Lisbon to let go of its vestiges of empire.”

  226. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    “India made clear in its subsequent diplomatic messages that it recognized China’s sovereignty over Tibet and did not intend to intervene in internal Chinese affairs, but was only protesting its use of military force.
    Nehru faced pressure at home and abroad to do more. The Indian press was full of stories about Chinese atrocities in Tibet and the potential for China to use Tibet to threaten India. His own intelligence chief, B. N. Mullik, head of the Intelligence Bureau (IB) from 1950 until after Nehru died, warned Nehru that China’s move into Tibet was “sinister” and would threaten India’s interests. Mullik also thought Panikkar was too soft on China.36 In the United Nations, which had already deployed forces to fight the Chinese in Korea, there was pressure to label the PRC as an aggressor and to condemn the invasion. Nehru worked quietly both to calm down his agitated domestic constituency and to keep the Tibet issue out of the UN.
    Chinese forces did not occupy all of Tibet in 1950; rather China’s strategy was to seize the border area and then negotiate full control over the kingdom with the weak theocratic government in Lhasa, which was powerless to resist the People’s Liberation Army (PLA). The “stiffness” in Chinese- Indian relations caused by the invasion, as Panikkar described it, proved to be short- lived. Nehru had neither the capability nor the intention of fi ghting for control of Tibet, and Mao was not eager to overplay his very strong hand. Instead, Mao was content to gradually absorb Tibet and welcomed Nehru’s behind- the- scenes help in the UN. After all China had enough on its agenda with a full- scale war with the United States and the UN underway in Korea.

    The Panch Sheela principles seemed to place India and China on a long- term path of peaceful relations. However, Nehru’s intelligence chief, B. N. Mullik, felt that the treaty was a bad bargain, ceding Indian interests in Tibet in return for vague promises of good behavior and goodwill. He wrote that a “weak and friendly Tibet” was being replaced by a “strong and belligerent China” on India’s northern border. But Mullik agreed with Nehru that India did not have the military capability to aid the Tibetans or stop Chinese advances in Tibet, because the military balance was so lopsided in Mao’s favor.42
    For Nehru, in contrast, the treaty was a signifiant accomplishment. China and India had never quarreled in their long history as Asia’s great civilizations, and Nehru was convinced that they would become great nations again. Both had been the victims of imperialism, especially British imperialism. With the end of the age of imperialism, China and India could lead the newly independent countries of Asia and Africa as an alternative to the two superpowers, then engaged in the cold war.43

  227. @Kali

    Thanks for the response, this looks like good exercise and good for the environment.

    Please do be careful and definitely don’t record and publish yourself such that you can be recognized, you don’t know what kind of people may be observing and have unsound hearts with evil intent.

    Stay safe and best of luck with your project!

    • Thanks: Kali
  228. jami says:
    @d dan

    [[Opium was declared illegal by several Chinese Emperors’ decrees before Opium Wars. The British ignored them and actively tried to bypass the ban.]]

    You are right. The British government FORCED China to consume more Opium to receive SILVER to maintain its colony in India. China, before the opium trade, where British government and Jewish mafia, Sasson and Rothschild, turned it into a lucrative Business, used LITTLE or no opium until its use was forced upon Chinese people in huge quantities by the British Government and its agents in India and elsewhere. Iran also did not use much opium before the entry of the Opium by the Evil empire and its agent, Sassoon.

    [MORE]

    in 1829, The Sassoon family left Iraq for Iran to settle in Bushehr which was an important commercial port to sent goods to other places in the region. The family was in Bushehr almost five years, where Sassoon imported commercial goods from Mumbai to Iran, and finally in 1833 fully settled in Mumbai. This migration took place during the heyday of Iran-India trade and the heyday of the British East India Company and other Western companies in Mumbai. Global opium trade was at its beginning and at its peak of profitability.
    In 1832, with the capital of the Rothschild and other British Jewish royal families and their Anglo-Scottish partners established a Company in the port of Canton and became the “giant” of the world opium trade. It was not only the lords of London and their native traders and partners in India and Chinese ports who, on the basis of this trade, established a new class in India and the Far East, and this class has since dominated the Asian economy and politics to control the southeast, but big business in the US port of Boston has also turned to opium trade with China. Big American companies like Perkins, Forbes and Russell made huge profits. The vast wealth of the world opium trade laid the foundation for the emergence of a powerful class in the United States known as the Boston oligarchy.
    On the other hand, The Baghdadi Jewish family, Sassoon family, quickly joined the wave, establishing the Sassoon financial empire in the 1830s . Until then, Indian opium was monopolized by the British and Turkish opium was monopolized by the Americans. The Sassoon family, in collaboration with the rulers of India, made Iran their sphere of activity.

    The Sassoon, in collaboration with their agent in Persia, Hossein Sepahsalar, began their opium activity in 1870s. With the rise of Hossein Sepahsalar power, the widespread cultivation of opium began in Iran and because British made the opium a lucrative trade, then many countries in the world came into the competition to collect profits from opium. Thus, the people in the position of power kept the best land to cultivate opium instead of crops to raise CASH to pay for the imparted goods. This policy let to food shortages and famine which let to many deaths in India, China, Iran and Afghanistan led by British influence in Opium trade.
    Chinese were self sufficient in many areas, had to accept British dictate since they did not have many WMD that could destroy the enemy. The British empire would not give silver to Chinese, but Opium. Then, forcing TREATIES on Chinese’s throat, Britain FORCED China into slavery, demanding millions of pounds for damages, and separating their land from them to be used for British interest to make money, Thailand, all through illegal treaties. There is NO difference between what the Evil US empire is doing today with the evil British empire did in the 19th century to Asians and Africans.
    The growing and sale of Indian opium was a British Government monopoly, which poured a golden stream of profits into the British Treasury. The British agents foresaw even greater profits if the defenseless Chinese were made to absorb more Indian opium. The Chinese Government, fully realizing the degenerative qualities of this drug, bitterly protested. It attempted to bar its importation, sale and use.The British ignored the BAN, whereupon the Chinese Government, in desperation, seized large quantities of British opium stored in Canton warehouses. Promptly Britain’s Royal Navy went into action and the Opium War was on.There was no declaration of war by the British Government. There was no official explanation given to the public, other than that the Chinese bad flaunted the British prestige, property and flag “Dictating the Treaty of Nanking, 1842, closing the Opium War, Great Britain compelled the Chinese to pay an indemnity of \$21,000,000, of which \$6,000,000 was reimbursement for the destroyed opium by the Chinese people when the British insisted on forcing it into China against the latter’s will. The Chinese were made to pay for the war, but the illicit imports of the deadly weed continued to flow, to the moral and physical decay of millions of Chinese, and to the great financial profit of the British Government and the Jewish Royal family.
    This war nauseated most historians, including British men of letters. Justin McCarthy declared: ‘Reduced to plain words, the principle for which we fought in the China War
    was the right of Great Britain to force a peculiar trade upon a foreign people, in spite of the protestations of the Government, and all such public opinion as there was, of the nation.’

    Many American traders had a profitable role in the opium traffic. A group of American merchants formally petitioned Congress to assist Great Britain, France and Holland with a naval demonstration. This was probably the first time that a formal request
    for military co-operation by the United States with Great Britain and other Western powers was proposed to achieve what was camouflaged as a common Far East project where they view as ‘opening of China’ meaning opening the Chinese MARKET to the thieves for lucrative profits, but China did not have the same advantages.
    Through these illegal acts, trade in Shanghai and other Chinese ports obtained by the Europeans and Americans. The first Opium War led to more wars. In 1857-58, Great Britain was again one of the belligerents. This time Britain was assisted by France. This war is known as the Second Opium War. And, once again, as in the first Opium War, there grew up a persistent drive in the United States and in Britain to involve America to join Britain and France in military operation. The British empire, before the Opium trade, was heavily involved in lucrative SLAVE trade. As the Guardian wrote:

    “The history of British slavery has been buried. The thousands of British families who grew rich on the slave trade, or from the sale of slave-produced sugar, in the 17th and 18th centuries, brushed those uncomfortable chapters of their dynastic stories under the carpet.”

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  229. jami says:
    @jami

    I am sorry for the mistake I made. There should be Hong Kong, not Thailand:

    [..and separating their land from them to be used for British interest to make money, Hong Kong, all through illegal treaties. ]

  230. Kang says:
    @Malla

    And the question of the naming of the mountains in Afghanistan, the Hindu Kush. That needs some payback also no? Someone has to pay for that atrocity and abomination. Is it going to be the arrogant Iranians? The time will come.

    • Replies: @Malla
  231. denk says:
    @Malla

    Blaming the Brit for everything

    make it the anglophone [five liars] ?

    Exhibit A

    China topping the hate list in SK for the first time

    NO mean feat that,
    The jp have been hogging that honor for centuries.

    [MORE]

    MInd you, after the 1999 USAss bombing of Chinese embassy in Serbia, there were cyber attacks on USAss sites from….SK, JP,
    showing solidarity with China.

    BUt today China tops the hate list in both SK.,/JP,
    What gives. ?

    I’ve mentioned many times before.
    You havent been paying attention or more likely choose to ignore , thats your MO.

    Mistaken identity’
    What happened when SK tourists got whacked in Turkey over that ‘uighurs genocide’ ?
    They cursed ‘those damned chicom’ thats what !

    Courtesy of [five liars] muckraking.

    Then of course that gawd damned covid , so called Chinese virus hitting SK [1]
    SK cursing China big time.

    Courtesy of [five liars] lies most vile [2]

    upcoming SK prez …

    I might invite jp SDF to station in SK

    Wow,
    This is unthinkable for Koreans, how did he gets away with it, cuz yes,China has displaced jp as the no1 bogeyman…

    Courtesy anglophone FUKUSA

    Somebody wanna make Chinese the pariah of 21 C

    malla the ‘sinophile’ looks a happy camper

    hehehe

    • Replies: @Malla
  232. denk says:
    @antibeast

    malla is always in denial …

    As to what lies behind the aggressive attitude of the Nehru government, it must be borne in mind first of all that the imperialist world, particularly the U.S. would like nothing better than to see the two principal Asiatic powers, the two powers which hold the greatest revolutionary promise for mankind in the east, locked in military combat, shedding the blood of thousands, absorbing the resources and energies of millions of people, which should be used to construct a revolutionary way of life.

    Rings a bell ?
    Today its UKraine, TW or even SK !

    https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm

  233. denk says:
    @Malla

    Leftist Western media supporting Communists against Socialist India. Yawn.

    spare me this leftist crap,

    The position of the London Times is of exceptional importance because it has always sided with India as against China. The London Times was obliged to make the above statement only after the Indian paper, Tribune, had reported that at a cabinet meeting the Indian government had decided to use armed force to deal with China.

    https://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm

  234. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Wrong, the operations of 1961 mentions Nepal, not India. Nepal should have been accused as sepoy of the West, not India.

    You forgot the excerpts in bold as follows:

    continuing the support subsidy to the Dalai Lama’s entourage at Dharmsala, India; continuing support to the Nepal based Tibetan guerrillas; the reassignment of a part of the unarmed guerrillas to India for further training

    In other words, the HQ of the Dalai Lama was located in Dharmsala, India where the CIA provided financing, support and training to Tibetan guerrillas. This took place shortly after the Dalai Lama fled to Dharmsala, India in 1959, before the 1962 Sino-Indian War.

    Nehru would have allowed the CIA, since 1959, at the earliest, to operate in India to destabilize China in order to prevent Mao from acquiring or developing nuclear weapons technology. That’s why the Chinese leadership suspected Nehru of initiating the 1962 Sino-Indian War at the behest of the CIA.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  235. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    “After signing the treaty, Nehru visited China for the first time as prime minister in October 1954. The visit highlighted the two countries’ friendly relationship and shared anti- imperialist ideology. Nehru felt comfortable enough to raise the border issue, noting China’s issuance of maps that showed large parts of India along both the Johnson and McMahon Lines as belonging to China. Zhou told Nehru that these were old maps from the Nationalist period and that the PRC had yet to print new ones. Nehru found this answer unsatisfactory, but it did not change his desire to emphasize the positive in Indo- Chinese relations.44

    In 1965 the CIA did a top- secret postmortem of the Sino- Indian War that was later declassified. In assessing the early years of the dispute between Nehru and Mao over Tibet, the CIA concluded correctly that China “played on Nehru’s Asian, anti-imperialist mental attitude; his proclivity to temporize, and his sincere desire for an amicable Sino-Indian relationship.” China’s “strategy was to avoid making explicit, in conversations and communications with Nehru, any Chinese border claims, while avoiding any retraction of those claims which would require changing Chinese maps.”
    The CIA postmortem concluded it “was a masterpiece of guile executed by Chou en Lai.”46″

    MALLA: So it seems, Nehru got screwed by his anti-colonial mentality, not colonial mentality. LOL. This is why Indian Nats have conspiracy theories that he was a foreign enemy Chinese agent. Uncles (including Govt servants) who do Yoga in parks early morning, have told me this. LOL. There are even conspiracy theories that Nehru was a secret Muslim marrano family who wanted to screw Hindus. There is a belief that Nehru was too soft on Pakistan about Kashmir and foolishly took the Kashmir issue to the UN against Patel’s warning.

  236. Malla says:
    @Kang

    Is it going to be the arrogant Iranians? The time will come.

    I do not think we can blame common Iranians particularly for the Islamic genocide of Hindus. And taking revenge for everything in the past, this will go on as we go back in history. There is no end.

    • Replies: @Kang
  237. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    This proves beyond doubt that it was China which invaded India not the other way round.

    You forgot the excerpts below:

    Harriman raised subject Nehru’s request to President for air assistance. Nehru said he not pressing matter now as he did not believe ChiComs would attack at least for some months. He thought ChiComs wanted make deal and cited in support this view that ChiComs pressing Afro-Asian bloc to bring pressure on India. Harriman said our military were discussing air assistance request with British and Indian Air Force. If anything to be provided Commonwealth countries should come in first. Harriman explained subject being discussed without commitment.

    Harriman told Nehru that Duncan Sandys had been informed by Morarji Desai that Soviets had definitely declined supply MIGs. Nehru replied that Desai could not have had latest information and what he had told Sandys must have been based on earlier talk by Indian Ambassador Moscow with a Soviet Deputy Commissar of Foreign Affairs. Recently Khrushchev assured Indian Ambassador that MIG factory would be delivered in couple of years and in meantime the few MIGs under discussion would be delivered in ample time for training purposes. Nehru gave impression he trying minimize importance of matter. Meeting lasted little less than hour. At parting Nehru thanked Harriman again for US aid and promptness of US response to India’s request.

    Indian nationalists claim that the 1962 Sino-Indian War was between China and India only. But the above excerpts prove beyond doubt that both Kennedy and Khrushchev supported Nehru in the 1962 Sino-Indian War. A year after the 1962 Sino-Indian War, the CIA assassinated Kennedy and installed LBJ who started the Vietnam War by seeking the Gulf of Tonkin resolution. The timeline leading to the Vietnam War is as follows:

    1957 Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal
    1958 Second Taiwan Straits Crisis; Mao launches ‘two bombs and one satellite’ program
    1959 CIA-backed Tibetan uprising; Khrushchev meets with Eisenhower and cancels Sino-Soviet ‘grains-for-nukes’ deal
    1960 Sino-Soviet Split
    1962 Sino-Indian War; Nehru seeks US aid
    1963 CIA assassinates JFK and installs LBJ
    1964 Gulf of Tonkin false flag; LBJ seeks US Congress resolution and sends US combat troops to Vietnam; Khrushchev deposed at the start of Vietnam War.

    Nehru played a minor albeit supporting role to the onset of the Vietnam War, as a sepoy to the USA, not as bad as Khrushchev who betrayed China at the height of the Cold War.

    • Replies: @Malla
  238. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Not compulsorily. The CIA is clandestine and could have worked secretly under the radar. And Nehru did not want to allow the Dalai Lama into India, it was Indian popular pressure which forced him too. The enemy of the CCP was not Nehru but the thuggish, mustachio macho masses of India. Nehru was pro-CCP but often found himself stuck in between the people of India and the CCP. The posts I have made prove that far from being a sepoy, Nehru was pro China and supported PRC often and naively believed in Indo-China friendship, great civilizations against the West etc… and all that bullshit. All he got was he was fooled and cheated by the CCP. But the CCP made China the enemy of the masses of India which makes any alliance with China impossible, it does not sell among the street smart, macho, thaggard Indian masses. If India is making alliances with the USA, China has only itself to blame.

    https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/comment-cia-trained-tibetan-rebels-7701
    CIA trained Tibetan rebels

    What about India’s role in this entire business?
    In 1951, when the Americans became interested in helping the Tibetan rebels, and contacted Nehru he immediately refused arguing in favour of non-alignment. Mao Tse-Tung tricked him into believing that China wasn’t invading Tibet, only going in for a few years to help modernise the country. So Nehru, for seven years, stonewalled US from interacting with Tibet, with the Dalai Lama. Most critically, all three times when the UN was approached by Tibetan officials, Nehru insisted that Tibet was a part of China. To be honest, it was not Nehru’s finest hour.

    Nehru was the first, and India was the first country to start the trend of appeasing the Chinese. Nehru knew Tibet had independent trade agreements with several foreign governments – agreements that made no reference to the Chinese government – but he was intent on playing ping pong. This came back to haunt him in 1962, when China invaded your country.

    Then why did Nehru give refuge to Dalai Lama when he fled Tibet?

    There wasn’t much that he could do, because there was a huge groundswell of support for Tibet in India. In fact, Nehru forbade the Dalai Lama from talking to the foreign press for three months after he had landed in India. Only after the foreign press starting crying foul, did he allow the Dalai Lama to speak publicly. The Dalai Lama once mentioned to me, “I was talked to by Nehru as if I was a little boy, as to what I should and should not say.”
    —————————-

    Nehru tried appeasing the Chinese, he got back stabbed in return. That is why Indians as a people and the Indian administration at a very core level DO not trust the Chinese Government (they do not trust Western Governments too)

  239. denk says:
    @Malla

    CCP looking down on other Asians, making them all run into the open smelly arms of Western Whitey. Except India, Indian smell more than Whitey.
    Book by CCP —“How to not make Friends and not Influence Peop

    Once again, you’d already been educated on this by yours truly….

    [MORE]

    faq

    Q] Has ‘China’s aggressiveness driven away all its neighbors towards the great satan’ ?

    A] That’s another monumental lie from the united snakes.

    Fact is…in the past 7 decades,
    Every single leader who’s friendly to China has been taken out and replaced by Washington’s puppet, by soft coup [ex jp], palace coup [ex Whitnam] , down to murder [ex Nepal’s king Birendra’s entire family wiped out in 2001] and outright genocide [the mother of all regime change in indon, 1965, to remove pro Beijing prez Sukarno with CIA asset Suharto, collateral damages estimated at 3M, including almost the entire Chinese community]

    Here’s a partial list,

    Panda huggers ousted, murdered, by CIA/MI6/RAW…

    PM YIng LUck , Thailand,
    PM Najib, Malaysia,
    prez Arroyo, Ph,
    prez Sukarno, INdon,
    PM Hatoyama, jp,
    prez Park Chung hue, SK,
    PM Whitnam, Oz,
    PM Lange , NZ,
    PM Norman Kirk, NZ,
    KIng BIrendra, Nepal,
    KIng Gyanendra Nepa,
    PM Oli, Napal
    prez Rajapaksa, Sri Lanka
    prez Yameen Maldives,
    PM Rajiv Ghandi, India,
    PM Alkatiri, E Timor,
    PM Thinley, BHutan,

    Tip of an iceberg.

    The craptrap that China’s ‘aggressiveness’ drive off all its neighbors towards the great satan, has been debunked hundreds of times here by yours truly.

    Yet day after day, you see murikkans insist on repeating that big lie.

    Is lying built into murikkans DNA ?

    Whaddaya say ?

    P.S.
    With apology to the 10% decent yanks,

    You Even thanks me for it…
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/the-heart-of-the-matter-in-the-south-china-sea/?showcomments#comment-4089979

    Short memory again ?

  240. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    . But the above excerpts prove beyond doubt that both Kennedy and Khrushchev supported Nehru in the 1962 Sino-Indian War.

    False, the USSR was confused. USSR was pro Chinese but also pro-India because of Nehru’s old Soviet relations and Khrushchev’s new policy of “peaceful Coexistence”.
    https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315388946-16/soviet-union-sino-indian-border-war-1962-andreas-hilger
    The Soviet Union and the Sino-Indian border war, 1962

    In the face of the massive Chinese attacks that started in October 1962, Moscow appeared confused. Nevertheless, the Soviet leadership had much time at its disposal beforehand to prepare for a potential conflict at the Sino-Indian border. The year 1959, with intensive Sino-Indian exchanges as well as with bloody skirmishes, had revealed that Soviet-Indian cooperation was hardly compatible with unqualified Soviet-Chinese friendship. Thus, the Soviet activities in 1962 were more than just desperate attempts to react to dramatic parallel developments on Cuba and at the Sino-Indian border. In fact, Moscow’s approach to the war displayed basic problems and contradictions of Soviet multidimensional international policies towards the dynamic, interconnected processes of decolonization, the global cold war and the embedded emergence of inner-socialist rivalries since the 1940s.1″

    The evidence I gave proves that if Nehru was a sepoy of anybody, it was Communist China, which backstabbed him. India may never repeat this mistake, never become an ally of China because of past experiences. If the USA backstabs too, like it did Pakistan, India will have to follow a new Non Aligned Policy and be distant from both USA and China but remain firm on the border issue with China. India’s true ally will always be Russia, Japan, France, Germany and even the UK unless they goad India into an American position, which India must reject.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  241. denk says:
    @Malla

    blame the British for everything

    Yes rather unfair, most time its FUKUSA [AUKUS] joining at the hip…

    Exhibit A
    iNdon genocide 1965

    The fourth means of support was propaganda operations. On 5 October a “political adviser” at the British intelligence base in Singapore reported to the Foreign Office in London that: “we should not miss the present opportunity to use the situation to our advantage… I recommend that we should have no hesitation in doing what we can surreptitiously to blacken the PKI in the eyes of the army and the people of Indonesia”. The Foreign Office replied: “We certainly do not exclude any unattributable propaganda or psywar [psychological warfare] activities which would contribute to weakening the PKI permanently. We therefore agree with the [above] recommendation… Suitable propaganda themes might be… Chinese interference in particular arms shipments; PKI subverting Indonesia as agents of foreign communists”

    [1]

    U.S. officials were particularly interested in linking the September 30th plotters to Beijing. They helped to spread stories about China’s alleged involvement and reported on caches of weapons purportedly “discovered” by the Indonesian army with the hammer and sickle conveniently stamped on them. “We have bonanza chance to nail chicoms on disastrous events in Indonesia,

    [2]

    sobs !

    ———-

    [1]
    https://web.archive.org/web/20101205142006/https://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2007/02/01/us-and-british-complicity-in-the-1965-slaughters-in-indonesia/
    [2]
    https://monthlyreview.org/2015/12/01/the-united-states-and-the-19651966-mass-murders-in-indonesia/

    You’ve already been educated here dozens of time already !!!

  242. Malla says:
    @denk

    The jp have been hogging that honor for centuries.

    That is why this is an extraordinary achievement Denki, Making the Koreans anti-China when they were virulently anti-Japanese. Korea the traditional Little Brother of China has now left the house in disgust.
    I understand China’s concern about THAAD, China faced a threat, I give you that, and I am with China. I understand anger with Lotte and banning Lotte and then banning K-pop. But making Wakanda claims that “We wuz kangs, muh queen wuz wearing a Hanbok and cooking with kimchi” is classic case of “How to make enemies and not Influence people with Koreans” authored by CCP. I wonder what Kim Jong Un of DPRK thinks about this. Provoked two countries at once.
    You have beautiful classy Hanfu, why claim other people’s traditions? Arrogance? Looking down on fellow Asians?

    MInd you, after the 1999 USAss bombing of Chinese embassy in Serbia, there were cyber attacks on USAss sites from….SK, JP,

    OK OK, they SK, JP biz Sepoys and shit. But no mention of Vietnam, why so shy? Vietnam having enough and allying with the West, the same West they make bleed in hot humid jungle.

  243. @American Bulwark

    Wasn’t it the Brits who conquered “New England”? And there was no “Indian” (the feather kind) conquest of England before hand to justify their action.

    Now let the murrikans release “New England,” and the rest of the North American continent, back to its true owners.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  244. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The evidence I gave proves that if Nehru was a sepoy of anybody, it was Communist China, which backstabbed him. India may never repeat this mistake, never become an ally of China because of past experiences. If the USA backstabs too, like it did Pakistan, India will have to follow a new Non Aligned Policy and be distant from both USA and China but remain firm on the border issue with China. India’s true ally will always be Russia, Japan, France, Germany and even the UK unless they goad India into an American position, which India must reject.

    Do you know how silly you sound, Malla? Like Biden would say: “C’mon, man!”

    Both the CCP and KMT claimed Tibet as part of China which was recognized by both the British and the Americans, prior to the 1962 Sino-Indian War. Heck, even Nehru recognized Tibet as part of China. The only reason why Indian ‘nationalists’ have any interest in Tibet was to use the Tibetans against China, regardless of whether the CCP or KMT were in power. That’s why Nehru allowed the CIA to base their operations in India, supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against China. That in and of itself quality as a hostile act against China, regardless of the border dispute which is a separate issue orthogonal to Nehru’s cooperation with the CIA whose covert operations used Tibetan guerrillas against China inside India. And you’re telling me Mao backstabbed Nehru by beating back the Indian Army in the 1962 Sino-Indian border war? No, it was Nehru who backstabbed Mao by allowing the CIA to operate in India despite its avowed non-aligned status. And Indian ‘nationalists’ don’t have any problems with that historical fact because they would prefer that India become a sepoy to the USA, than remain non-aligned with respect to the West.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Malla
  245. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    trying to convince me that it would have been better for us if America had remained a colony of Britain.

    That would have been an impossibility in this day and age, America would have become independent anyways and gain dominion status a century ago like Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Maybe the USA and Canada would have been one big country and Canada’s vast northern resources would have beenn added to the combined kitty. Wait, this is already fact, the USA dominates the Canadian economy too much, at least that is what most Canadians think.
    Australia is a dominion but free of the UK, the Aussies now complain of American domination, not British. For example even though the UK did not take part in the Vietnam wars, Australia did, which shows independent foreign policy ability.
    Anyways my point was that the American Revolution story of noble colonist fighting “evul” British Empire is not as straight forward as it seems,

    Now we get the Brits to come along on our military adventures. And we tell them to desist when we want them to, like Ike telling them to cease their joint invasion of Egypt with Israel and France.

    And that benefited Britain who in revenge did not take part in the disastrous Vietnam war. And unlike the Vietnam war, the British & French were winning against Egyptians troops easy, would have taken over in no time. So Murica saved Britain. And Murica is partly to blame, Nasser first went to Murica to ask for money for the Egyptian economy, Murica told him to join the Baghdad pact (Nasser correctly rejected as he was Non Aligned) and forced him to try to make peace with Israel, which Nasser out-rightly rejected (understandably so). he went to the British too but the British did not have the kind of money just out of WW2 and the Zionist lobby played their part of conditions of peace with Israel. That is why Nasser tried to nationalize the canal as he was running out of money for Egypt, Egypt was already making money from the canal and after 10 years the canal would have been transferred to Egypt anyways, via treaty.
    The Western Jew press tried to paint Nasser as a new Hitler of Arabia with showing both their pictures next to each other.

    This next part is for the showmethereal. the guy is forefront in attacking Whitey over the native American issue, but his hatred for BE is so high that he ignores that the Native American chiefs supported British in the Revolutionary wars and Washington accused the native Americans for being ass kissers and pro-Empire. LOL. Yup showmethereal, the British were more caring for the Native Americans over the freedom fighter anti-colonial Americnas. LOL

    Not only that showmethereal, the blacks in the 13 colonies supported the British too. LOL.

    Blacks overwhelmingly favored the British in the American Revolution.

    Yup those niggas and injuns were kissing British Empire asshole. Now you know why they were ill-treated, they were pro-Imperialist reactionaries to revolution for freedom. LOL.

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    , @Bro43rd
    , @sb
  246. @American Bulwark

    Tibet first married in with Han China during the Tang Dynasty. It was also part of China during the Mongol led Yuan Dyansty. So this in an out relationship goes back well over 1 thousand years. That’s why you have centuries old Tibetan temples and schools far far away from Tibet in Beijing. Before even the Manchu ruled China. But whether married in with the Han or conquered by Mongols and Manchu (which shows the difference in how each group thinks) – Tibet has been intertwined with China literally for more than 1 thousand years. Oh o be honest no way Tibet would be let go because the nefarious west would be there the next day to try to tamper with China’s water supply. But in any event- once you (and the rest of the globe) return to your ancestral home anywhere from 300 to 1000 years ago – then you can talk about Tibet.

  247. @antibeast

    Yup. Simple equation. Nepal booted out the CIA operation against China through Tibet – while India allowed it. That guy Malla just makes up his own reality. Today China and Nepal are friends – while China and India have a border dispute. Children can even understand when they know facts.

  248. @Malla

    Malls be serious – the Native American tribes and the African descendants only “supported” the British in exchange for promises of what they could receive. Give me a break. They had no affinity for them. In the same way some Tibetans would kill Christian missionaries but were still willing to work with the British against the Manchu emperor. Divide and rule.. same old tool

    • Replies: @Malla
  249. @Malla

    As you know Hitler initially (and very mistakenly) courted Nehru.
    I did not mean that Bose and Nehru were in cahoots (sorry for the imprecision),
    just that Bose stated that the question Bose or Nehru would be decided from
    the outside but the outcome would be more or less the same.
    (Brockdorff´s history of the Brandenburger includes a chapter on the Asad Hind)

  250. @Deep Thought

    We intend to as soon as we have broken up China into a hundred pieces. Thank you very much!

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  251. Bro43rd says:
    @Malla

    1 small thing, your use of LOL after each paragraph loses it’s effectiveness. Just use one long string of LOLOLOLOLOLOL at the end.

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  252. @Malla

    IIRC Nepali Black has 8% THC, and it is showing.
    Both in the Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh China is just protecting
    vital lines of communication; in ten to twenty years a consolidated
    New Silk Road will make an Indian attack even more humorous than it is now
    (maybe they are hoping for a world war before that; but seriously, there is
    nothing behind the mountains, least of all a flower pot to win; if they want buffer
    states, start with all the formerly independent Himalaya kingdoms).

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  253. @nokangaroos

    Good points. It must be pride. If it was up to me – at this point I would say just fix the border where it is and call peace. But — “pride”. In the 1962 war China retook all of Arunchal Pradesh and then voluntarily went back across the line of control. Since then it was leaked that the negotiation was to give India Aksai China in exchange for Arunchal Pradesh – but it was rebuffed. So there we are – stuck for no good reason.

    I also don’t see why India and Pakistan just don’t split Kashmir right where it is – but I don’t know enough on that matter. But it would be nice for all at hand. Commerce and infrastructure could certainly flow much more freely which would improve the lives for all. China offered India to join in the BRI going through Pakistan. India said no. Makes little strategic sense. Seems it is all pride…. Historical reasons yes – but little strategically

  254. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    That’s why Nehru allowed the CIA to base their operations in India, supporting, training and arming Tibetan guerrillas against China.

    Only after the 1962 war. Nehru was pro China, he supported China in every way he could and Chou En lai made a fool of him. Indian Nationalists want a free Tibet because they do not want China on the border of their motherland. Not my personal view, I do not mind China at our borders. there could be great potential for trade in between both the countries if good infrastructure could be built.

    And you’re telling me Mao backstabbed Nehru by beating back the Indian Army in the 1962 Sino-Indian border war?

    Of course. Nehru supported China in everyway he could. He was backstabbed.

    And Indian ‘nationalists’ don’t have any problems with that historical fact because they would prefer that India become a sepoy to the USA,

    Why is it that China allies with the USA against the USSrR after the Sino Soviet split and it is not a sepoy. India made an alliance with the West because of China. Vietnam did the same.
    Calling India a sepoy is an old trick.

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    , @antibeast
  255. Malla says:
    @showmethereal

    Divide and rule.. same old tool

    How so, the British were more kind to the native Americans. But from a revolutionary anti-imperialist point of view, they were seen as ass lickers of the British. Divide and rule is what you are introducing out of your ass.

    In the same way some Tibetans would kill Christian missionaries but were still willing to work with the British against the Manchu emperor.

    They wanted their independence from foreign rule, the Tibetans were anti-Imperialists.

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  256. @Malla

    British were kind to Native Americans??? Are you even remotely serious? Just because they didn’t have the resources or desire to go past the original 13 colonies. The natives were making promises of concessions to the Natives so they supported the Brits. Give us all a break. If they had the power to get rid of all Europeans they would have

    Give me a double break. The Tibetan Empire was expansionist and simply lost. Christian missionaries killed were not imperialists in and of themselves.

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  257. @showmethereal

    And a day will come when China will lose and it’ll be the end of the ‘Middle Kingdom’ and we’ll all be glad to move on. So much for your boasts!

  258. denk says:
    @Malla

    Why is it that China allies with the USA against the USSrR after the Sino Soviet split and it is not a sepoy.

    China welcomed USAss nuclear umbrella offer to counter super power USSR after the split ,but refused to be gringo’s sepoy to attack India when goaded by the Nixon/KIssinger clique, herein’ lies the difference with India, dummy.

    The evidence I gave proves that if Nehru was a sepoy of anybody, it was Communist China, which backstabbed him

    Even you should’ve heard about Neville’s Maxwell’s India’s China war,, the gold standard for that conflict.
    Even Indians have conceded that fact, albeit reluctantly.

    Why dont you mount a challenge to Maxwell with your new ‘evidence’, you’d attain international fame overnight, ? 😉

  259. Malla says:
    @jami

    This jami is a lying filthy worm. he is hiding the fact that the Iranians were some of the biggest suppliers of opium to China and it were started by Iranian merchants. And many Iranian farmers and merchants made more money out of it. The Opium wars benefited Iran the most, not India. Iranian opium quality had overtaken Indian opium and was cheaper in price.

    Given the lack of modern industry or even the conditions to develop one, Iran was encouraged to expand its cultivation of cash crops which resulted in the rapid growth in the cultivation of commodities such as cotton, opium, tobacco and dried fruits during the second half of the 19th century. Parallel to these developments, since 1864, Iran’s existing cash crop, silk, took a major blow, as the silkworm population was decimated by the Pebrine disease that struck the growing areas in Gilan. This decline probably gave an incentive and further provoked a sense of urgency to develop other cash crops that would compensate for the losses of the silk.
    At the same time, Iran in the 1800s suffered from some impairing structural problems. First among them was the growing economic burden of the pensions to the unproductive sectors of the Iranian elite, particularly the courtiers. The government’s role in nurturing the turn to cash crops, and to opium cultivation in particular, was more important than most historians give it credit. However, the growing flow of income during the 1860s and the 1870s increased the government’s appetite for expenses beyond what the inefficient taxation system of Iran was able to provide. Furthermore, the outdated system of land-ownership imposed another burden on Iran’s economy. Different forms of land-ownership existed in Iran, but the uncertainty of ownership became the common denominator among them. Tuyul lands, for example, the most recognizable form of land-tenure in Iran, were to be reverted to the crown in case the grantee died or if the Shah could simply appoint a different person to manage a tuyul plot. In reality, though, many tuyul owners could turn their tuyuls into
    hereditary private property. Great variation in taxation upon lands existed depending upon three factors: location; the specific relation of the grantee to the Shah; or simply the ability to collect taxes in a given area. This erratic system brought about abuse of the system for landowners tended to mistreat lands and the peasants under their control out of fear that their tuyul might be taken from them and passed onto another person. Among the various cash crops of Iran, opium-poppy cultivation was particularly suitable for cultivation given the economic and social conditions that prevailed in the country during the 19th century. Various methods of producing opium from the pods of the poppy-flower existed in Iran since antiquity and well into the early 18th century.

    The climatic conditions in Iran, particularly in the southern regions, are ideal for the cultivation of poppies that thrive in areas where wet periods are followed by long dry periods. Poppies in Iran were usually sown around March, by the end of the wet season, and the opium was collected from the mature pods around May. In fact, some areas in eastern Iran could have up to three opium seasons. Normally british mills used Americna cotton and avoided Indian cototn but due to the US Civil war, as there was a shortage of American cotton, Indian cotton came in high demand and many Indian merchants made a lot of money. A sharp increase in the cultivation of cotton at the expense of poppy cultivation occurred in India during the cotton famine of the early 1860s caused by the US Civil War (1861-1865). This shift supposedly caused a shortage of opium supply in China and created an opportunity for Iranian merchants to set a foothold in the Chinese market.

  260. Malla says:
    @jami

    In his book Amir Kabir va-Iran, Fereydoun Adamiyat argues that already during Amir Kabir’s reign as the chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah (1848-1851), experimental cultivation of opium poppies took place in the outskirts of Tehran. Isfahan-based merchant Aqa Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani as being among the first Iranian merchant-landowner who learned the business of opium in India and brought it to Iran. Arbab went to Bombay in the early 1850s, where he learned new methods of opium production and new kinds of financial arrangements for the opium business from Parsis, after returning to Isfahan in 1856-57, he introduced both there and in other provinces. In the beginning of the 1880s, together with other Isfahani merchants, Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani established the Kompani-e Teryake Esfahan for opium refining and exporting. This company was then one of the largest business concerns in Isfahan. Mehdi Bamdad writes in his historical biographical collection that in the early 1850s, Mirza Hussein Khan Sepahsalar, who later became Mushir-e Dowleh, another well-known chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah, was First Consul of Iran in Bombay. Bamdad claims that it was Mirza Hussein Khan who communicated to Amir Kabir the potential profits to be gained from the export of opium to China and suggested that this industry be developed in Iran.

    During the early 1850s Iranian merchants complained about a ban employed by the British authorities in Bombay not only on the importation of Iranian opium into Bombay, but also on its reexportation through the port. The British did not want Iranian Opium competing with Indian Opium. However the powerful Bagdadi Jewish Sasson family made a deal with Mushir-e Dowleh received a fantastic amount of 150,000 British Indian Rupees by the Bagdadi Jewish Sassoon Company for getting large control on Iranian export of Opium in exchange of “putting pressure” on the British Indian Government for lifting the British ban over the re-exportation of Iranian opium through Bombay. The Sassoons trade empire was established on the enormous profits they made from trading in Malwa opium BTW, which was outside British control and controlled by independent Indian kingdoms.

    The economic success of such notable Indian Parsi merchants like Jamsetjee Jejeebhoy and Jamsetjee Tata stem from their ability to create financial contracts with peasants in the Malwa states and not because they directly controlled fields where poppy was cultivated.Financial arrangements like purchasing entire crops in advance, giving loans for seeds with future crops as a guarantee were indeed a novelty adopted in Iran. In addition, the establishment of local workshops where large amounts of raw opium were processed was another Indian innovation that found its way to Iran. Arbab and other Iranian merchants really learned in Bombay was that even with the high pass duty imposed by the British Government of India on the export of Malwa opium (outside direct British control) from the Bombay port, there was still a handsome margin of profit left for the merchants. In conclusion they must have realized that shipping opium from Iran – where customs on opium were no way near their levels in India – could result with enormous profits in the Chinese market.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @jami
  261. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Only after the 1962 war. Nehru was pro China, he supported China in every way he could and Chou En lai made a fool of him. Indian Nationalists want a free Tibet because they do not want China on the border of their motherland.

    Nehru recognized Tibet as part of China as per the 1954 Sino-Indian Agreement which contradicts the claims of Indian Nationalists to a ‘free’ Tibet. That’s equivalent to Chinese Nationalists supporting a ‘free’ Kashmir which would be considered a hostile act against India. Prior to the 1962 war, Nehru did allow the Dalai Lama to flee to India and the CIA to base their operations there while ostensibly appearing to be non-aligned in public to China.

    Not my personal view, I do not mind China at our borders. there could be great potential for trade in between both the countries if good infrastructure could be built.

    The support of Indian Nationalists for a ‘free’ Tibet is a vestige of British Imperialism which attempted to separate Tibet twice from China, the first in 1888 and the second in 1903-1904. This fact alone proves that India was not interested in pursuing a peaceful settlement of the border dispute with China, despite Nehru’s recognition of Tibet as part of China as per the 1954 Sino-Indian Agreement. That’s probably why Nehru allowed the Dalai Lama and the CIA to base their anti-China operations in India, before the 1962 war. This kind of double-dealing is what made the Chinese lose faith and trust in Indian leaders.

    The historical fact is that both the British and the Americans recognized Tibet as part of China, during the periods of the Qing Dynasty and the Republic of China. But the Americans then turned around and supported a ‘free’ Tibet only after the CCP had won the Chinese Civil War against the KMT. The recently declassified letter written by Nehru to Kennedy shows the Indian leader pleading for US military intervention during the 1962 Sino-Indian War, as disclosed by former CIA agent Bruce Riedel:

    Why is it that China allies with the USA against the USSR after the Sino Soviet split and it is not a sepoy. India made an alliance with the West because of China. Vietnam did the same.

    That is incorrect, as Mao never allied China with the USA against the USSR but only agreed to a détente after meeting Nixon in 1972. After Mao’s death, Deng did ally China with the USA against the USSR only because he felt that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan posed a clear and present danger to the Xinjiang region in China. But so did Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the entire Islamic World. Besides, the USA turned against Deng by sponsoring a ‘color revolution’ in Tiananmen in 1989, which prompted Deng to patch up his differences with Gorbachev who had withdrawn Soviet troops from Afghanistan by 1989. But the USSR collapsed in 1991 after Gorbachev had began promoting his perestroika and glasnost reforms a few years prior. So what did Deng do? China became the biggest buyer of Russian weapons, from the mid-1990s to the early 2000s, helping keep afloat the Russian defense industry.

    Calling India a sepoy is an old trick.

    The Chinese have every reason to believe that Indians serve Western Imperialism rather than Indian Nationalism because their acts speak louder than their words. Heck, even the Russians and Iranians now suspect the Indians of conspiring with the Americans, that is, of acting like Sepoys to the West. Exactly what the Chinese have long suspected.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  262. Smith says:

    Feel really sorry for Imran Khan.

    Pakistan is in very, very bad times. China should be wary.

  263. @American Bulwark

    You are welcome to come and try– after you have conquered Nam and Afghanistan!

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  264. Malla says:
    @jami

    This policy let to food shortages and famine which let to many deaths in India, China, Iran and Afghanistan led by British influence in Opium trade.

    More bullshit, a theory put by British diplomats. British observers who were present in Iran during the famine in various capacities had made their opinion clear that the expansion of opium cultivation at the expense of cereal cultivation caused the shortage of food during the drought years of 1870-1872. However, already in the late 1970s, Iranian scholars like Nasser Pakdaman and Vahid Nowshiravani expressed their reservations about this too-easy a connection, pointing out that simple common-sense observation of the nature of poppy cultivation does not go hand in hand with an argument that it significantly replaced grain cultivation. Nasser Pakdaman, “Preface – a Special Issue on the Economic and Social History of Iran in the Nineteenth Century,” Iranian Studies 16, no. 3/4 (1983); Vahid Nowshirvani, “The Beginning of Commercialized Agriculture in Iran,” in The Islamic Middle East 700-1900: Studies in Economic and Social History, ed. A. L. Udovitch (Princeton, NJ: Darwin Press, 1981). Quoted in Mahdavi, For God, Mammon, and Country, 61.

    A more detailed work by Shoko Okazaki (Okazaki, “The Great Persian Famine,” 186-89.) has shown that the expansion of opium cultivation did not affect grain production in Iran, which remained the main agricultural product in the country. Okazaki convincingly demonstrates that the acreage necessary for the production of the annual amount of opium reported before and after the 1870s was in fact relatively small and thus the expansion of opium production cannot be blamed for the lack of grain in the market during the famine. The drought of 1869-1871 was the initial cause for the disturbance in the supply of grain, but Okazaki effectively presents direct and indirect evidence which proves that there was no real shortage of grain in Iran at the time and that the famine was caused by the greed of various Iranian merchants, landowners, senior bureaucrats and religious officials who engaged in hoarding and market manipulation, taking advantage of the situation to amass an enormous fortune, even at the price of watching their fellow subjects starve to death. In addition, he points his finger at the Turkish Qajar central government and at least some provincial governors who were particularly ineffective in preventing the situation from developing in the first place and displayed a disturbingly disaffection towards the suffering of the people.
    It is important to remember the direct involvement of some bureaucrats and clerics in the market manipulations that brought about the famine. In a recent article about the rise and fall of the merchant councils (majalis-i wukala-yi tujjar) in 1884-85, Gad Gilbar recounts the vast business interests of Zill al-Sultan, the governor of Isfahan and several other southern provinces,106 the same Zill al-Sultan who ordered in 1880 to sow one jarib of cereal for every four jarib of opium as a preventive measure against future famines. Zill al-Sultan himself was involved in hoarding, profiteering and other manipulations during the famine, and therefore this order was as an attempt to distract public opinion from the real causes of the famine and thus he palmed the blame on the opium industry. For many Iranian peasants, the success of the opium industry brought a stable source of income on which they could count from year to year.

    In India, opium causing famines was impossible as the opium crop was grown after the harvest cycle of foodcrops was over, only then did the British Indian Government issue opium licenses which were greedily lapped up and fought over by Indian peasants. India tends to have two to three crops a year (Rabi, Kharif) per acreage.

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  265. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Prior to the 1962 war, Nehru did allow the Dalai Lama to flee to India and the CIA to base their operations there while ostensibly appearing to be non-aligned in public to China.

    Completely False Post 240 this page.

    In 1951, when the Americans became interested in helping the Tibetan rebels, and contacted Nehru he immediately refused arguing in favour of non-alignment./

    Then why did Nehru give refuge to Dalai Lama when he fled Tibet?
    There wasn’t much that he could do, because there was a huge groundswell of support for Tibet in India.

    Blaming Nehru/India for Tibet pre-1962 is an excuse to justify China’s actions. Nehru rejected CIA approaches to support them in Tibet pre-962. Nehru allowed Dalai Lama only because of Indian public pressure and even then he tried to restrict what the Dalai Lama could say to the press. Even when before the Dalai Lama, came to India, he had asked Nehru to raise the issue of Chinese aggression with the Americans. Nehru never raised the issue. Whenever the Tibetans tried approaching the U.N. over Chinese aggression, Nehru blocked them.
    https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/nehrus-india-helped-china-conquer-tibet
    Nehru’s India helped China conquer Tibet’
    Nehru licked CCP ass and got what he deserved. And most importantly hatred of his own country men who today hate him and consider him an enemy Chinese stooge, a traitor to his nation.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/in-reply-to-rahul-gandhi-bjp-targets-nehru/articleshow/77210329.cms
    BJP’s Rajya Sabha MP Rakesh Sinha on Monday said former PM Jawaharlal Nehru, who had “gifted 38,000 sq m of Indian land to China”, should be considered the biggest “traitor” if one went by what Congress MP Rahul Gandhi said.

    Indian PM Nehru was a sepoy alright, a sepoy of the Chinese Communist Party.

  266. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The support of Indian Nationalists for a ‘free’ Tibet is a vestige of British Imperialism which attempted to separate Tibet twice from China, the first in 1888 and the second in 1903-1904.

    This is impossible because Indian Nationalism is extremely anti-British Empire. This is the 1.2 billion Indian nation speaking, no British influence. And as Mr Wang Gungwu explians in the post 164 in the same page, British policy was always in favour of Chinese suzeriaty over Tibet. You yourself contradict yourself when you say both the USA and UK supported Tibet as part of China. They may , but Indian Nationalists do not, Indian Nationalists do not take orders from the UK and USA. And the fact that the UK, supported Tibet as part of China makes things worse as far Indian Nationalism is concenred as the Indian Nationalist mind (majority of Indians) looks at the PRC as a new avatar of the evil British Empire.

    And to call Indian Nationalism a vestige of British Raj is the most stupidity, as it is one of the most anti-British element in the World. Lets forget Chawla, let us check out this extreme Hindu Indian Nationalist, Rajiv Dixit. Most of his videos are virulently anti West and anti-British to the EXTREME. One of the most extreme in the World.

    The Traces of British Culture (ब्रिटिश संस्कृति के निशान) in India Exposed by Rajiv Dixit Ji

    अंग्रेजी भाषा की गुलामी Slavery of English Language – Sri Rajiv Dixit

    How Much Money Britishers Looted From India? Bharat Swabhiman FAQ by Shri Rajiv Dixit

    What does he think about China?

    भारत चीन के साथ 1962 का युद्ध क्यों हारा – Why India Lost 1962 War With China | Rajiv Dixit (hint:Because of traitor and sepoy of enemy China, Mr Nehru & much more)

    Rqjiv Dixit Master Plan to free Indian Land from China चीन से जमीन का कब्ज़ा छुड़वाने का मास्टर प्लान

    What we see is that in Indian nationalism, being anti-British and being anti-China are 100000% synonymous. Indian Nationalism looks as the People’s Republic of China as an Imperialist country (like the British Empire) and resisting China is seen as an extention of the anti-colonial Indian freedom struggle against the British Empire. This is not about being correct or wrong, it is about how people think.
    What happened is China’s and India’s anti-colonial mentalities banged and crashed into each other. Simple As. This would need seperate posts which would discuss the Chinese perception of India as a sepoy of the West (emerging from China’s anti-colonial mentality), a perception which is very old, much older than 1962 and the Indian perception of Communist China as an evil Imperialist entity hellbent on world domination like the British Empire (emerging from India’s anti-colonial mentality). Both perceptions are wrong but they exist in people’s minds. Both are stupid and simplistic but the fact is we have to understand this phenomenon if we have to understand Indo-China relations in depth.

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  267. @Deep Thought

    You must be thick in the head. ‘Nam’ & ‘Stan’ for intents and purposes were destroyed and if they are regenerating, it’s because we wish it so.

    China doesn’t need to be conquered per se but it’ll be functionally destroyed and thereafter, it’ll depend on US, once again, to decide if the old humpty-dumpty is to be put back together or left to rot by the roadside aka BRI.

    I hope all your curiosities have been addressed and now it’s getting late and my dear Chinese masseuse is in hurry to get started knowing, I like happy endings.

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  268. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    That is incorrect, as Mao never allied China with the USA against the USSR but only agreed to a détente after meeting Nixon in 1972

    A little more than a mere détente .

    https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2022/02/18/great-wager-spy-soviet-union
    Shared secrets: How The U.S. and China worked together to spy on the Soviet Union

    That’s equivalent to Chinese Nationalists supporting a ‘free’ Kashmir which would be considered a hostile act against India.

    China has already built part of its CPEC corridor in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (POK), which India claims as Indian territory, without Indian permission or any official note. That part of Kashmir, by Indian law is Indian territory, even drawing a map showing Pakistan Occupied Kashmir as outside of India is punishable by Indian law, this is not a joke. This is one of the reasons by India did not join the BRI, because the BRI is illegal by Indian law as it passes illegally through Indian territory.

    That’s probably why Nehru allowed the Dalai Lama and the CIA to base their anti-China operations in India, before the 1962 war.

    Debunked already.

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  269. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    After Mao’s death, Deng did ally China with the USA against the USSR only because he felt that the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan posed a clear and present danger to the Xinjiang region in China.

    So India is allying with the USA because it perceives China as a threat and especially the Chinese-Pakistani axis. This does not make sepoy. Even Vietnam is allying with japan and the West, now you cannot sell Vietnam to the Glbal South as sepoy, can you?
    This India is sepoy shows Chinese arrogance and Middle kingdom mentality. They believe it is China Vs USA, two big powers and there cannot be any agency among other nations of their own. India does not have any security concerns on its own, its own agency, it can only be lowly sepoy of the West.
    But many of India’s actions destroy this cheap Chinese propaganda of sepoy and it disheartening to see how China played a part in allying with the “great Satan’, to bleed the USSR,the same USSr which was instrumental in the creation of the CCP. And how did “sepoy” India behave?

    https://www.mcser.org/journal/index.php/mjss/article/viewFile/3965/3881
    Pak-China-US Triangle vis-à-vis Soviet Union in Afghan War
    Dr. Manzoor Khan Afridi (Head of Department of Politics and International Relations, International Islamic University Islamabad-Pakistan), Musab Yousufi

    (M.Phil Scholar, International Islamic University Islamabad-Pakistan), Musa Khan

    A triangular alliance was made among Pakistan, China and the United States to oppose the Soviet’s presence in Afghanistan. Common interest brought together these states to form a united front in 1980s and to help the anti-Soviet resistance forces in Afghanistan. Pakistan was concerned about its western border with Afghanistan which was directly threatened. The eastern border was also not safe, as India had backing of the Moscow. Indian Ocean was another area under threat for which Kremlin had long been aspired to have access there. China was mainly concerned with its Muslim dominated Xinjiang region, having a common border with Wakhan area of Afghanistan
    …snip…
    The Carter administration was successful in this regard that many Western nations boycotted to participate in the Olympics. Chinese Olympic Committee (COC) boycotted as well against the hegemony and in defense of the Olympic principles. However India participated in the Olympic Games and was cooperating with the illegitimate communist government of Afghanistan (Shah, 2001). America hinted China for maximum collaboration.
    …snip…
    Both China and Pakistan had a common fear of pro-India Soviet influence in the region” (Singh, 2003, p.194). China was anxious over the Indo-Soviet cooperation and strategy for its encirclement. As was disclosed by India when she recognized the Marxist regime in Kabul, being among the first countries to do it. It was furthered by another Indian diplomatic move when Indira Gandhi succeeded in election as a Prime Minister in 1980 and “gave diplomatic recognition to the Vietnamese-backed Kampuchean regime following the fall of Pol Pot. Close relations between India and Vietnam – cemented by the common concerns over China – complemented Soviet-Vietnamese links’ (Hewitt, 1997, p.101). As Pakistan had served like a bridge in the normalization of relations between the United States and the People’s Republic of China, now it “was the key partner in the struggle against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s” (Wisner et al., 2003, p.43).
    …snip…
    The Western and Northwestern borders of Pakistan were vulnerable to the Soviet naked aggression. The geoproximity of the Wakhan Salient and Xinjiang region forced the two countries for a combine action. Ataur Rahman commented: “Underlying threats to Pakistan’s security from India and the Soviet Union via Afghanistan have made Pakistan seriously concerned to bolster its military capability. Pakistan’s security concerns are shared by China, which has had very good relations with Pakistan over the last two decades.
    …snip…
    Soviet Union was a major challenge to both the United States and China. To deter the Soviet’s new challenge the US needed Chinese support. China was also not in a position to cope with the Red Army’s danger on her borders. “China therefore needed the American connections to face up to the Soviet’s challenge” (Pradhan, 1983, p.183). Also the Pakistan’s position demanded quick aid and support from the two countries as well. “The Afghan crisis and the Soviet military intervention, more than anything else, once again brought into sharper focus the US-China-Pakistan alignment, as was reflected in the US pronouncements for their military aid policies for this region. The latter took the form of the US proposal for joint US-Chinese military aid to Pakistan, as initially announced by the Carter administration in early 1980” (Achuthan, 1988, p.95).

  270. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The Kabul and Moscow regimes had complained that the Islamabad Government in collusion with the United States, China and some other Muslim countries were encouraging and supporting the mujahideen to ‘bleeding the Soviets white’.
    The New Delhi Government was also in a position to off set the Islamabad-Beijing-Washington axis. “The Indo-Soviet relationship by now, of course, acquired a life of its own because of common Indo-Soviet concerns about China and the United States” (Ayub, 1985, p.169) which were helping Pakistan. The Soviet Union has long before had given all possible support to India in the latter’s border conflict with Pakistan. This time too, the USSR was giving economic and military support to India against the United States and China’s aid and help to Pakistan (Saikal, 1985, p.116). “By the end of 1980-81, Soviet-aided projects had produced 48 million tonnes of pig iron, 40 million tonnes of steel and more than 30 million tonnes of rolled iron; 70 million tonnes of oil were drilled; about 430,000 tonnes of metallurgical and other
    machinery for mining shafts and power stations worth more than 280 crore (2.8 billion) rupees, plus a large quantity of drugs and pharmaceutical preparations, instruments, etc” (Sharma, 1982, p.13).
    …snip….
    Pakistan needed to strengthen its defense vis-à-vis India and welcomed the weapons supply from the United States and China at same time. “The Genesis of Sino-Pak defense cooperation lies in Chinese attempts at maintaining military balance in the region and its concerns about any shift being inimical to its national security concerns. Beginning as a marriage of mutual convenience, it was nourished by a common hatred for India” (Sahgal, 2003, p.173). The growing Indo-Soviet ties and continuing generous flow of the Soviet arms to India was a destabilizing factor in the region. Although the Sino-Indian relations were moving towards positive direction, the Soviet-backed India was still looming large in the minds of the Chinese and Pakistani policy makers. For Pakistan, the power parity with India was so important that she had always strived to defend its security by all possible means to make a balance in power projection and halt India from getting a position of the hegemonic leadership. “For China, the alliance with Pakistan was always largely intraregional in focus, prompted mainly by Beijing’s wish to prevent India’s emergence as a serious rival, in particular, to block India from any role in China’s encirclement” (Wirsing, 2005, p.153). China’s alignment with Pakistan had served its interests in such a way that there was no other state in South Asia which could align with India against China. The Indian neighbors had always disliked her hegemony in the region and considered India as a regional bully.2

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  271. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The Chinese have every reason to believe that Indians serve Western Imperialism rather than Indian Nationalism because their acts speak louder than their words.

    China has zero reasons to believe Indians serve Western Imperialism. By opposing China, India serves her interest 10000% according to both the Indian people and Indian Government (but not me , Malla, I would prefer India remains neutral and allies with all, especially China). This is just a trick to cover up China’s backstab of a pro Chinese India in 1962, to downplay India’s influence in the Global South and to pressure India to go against its own interests and go on China’s side and then accept Chinese diktats on the border, which is completely unacceptable to the Indian people. The Chinese concept of “India as sepoy” is way old but that would take a different post.
    As far as downplaying India’s influence in the Global South, Chou En Lai was not happy with Nehru’s influence in the emerging post colonial developing World, even though China had much more solid influence . China cannot use the same trick against Vietnam because no one would buy it thanks to the legendary Vietnam War. But Vietnam’s policies have mimicked India’s for a long time, during the Soviet-Afghan War, when Vietnam & India were in the Soviet camp against the American-Chinese camp. India and Vietnam were in agreement about Cambodia against the position held by both China and the USA. And now, Vietnam keeping its good relations with Russia is moving closer to the West & Japan, just like India. But China cannot sell “Vietnam as a sepoy” to the World, they would be laughed out. I forgot to mention, one of India’s natural ally is Vietnam, the foreign policies of both countries have been remarkably similar to each other for decades. If China can make an alliance with Pakistan, India can and is already making deep military and other connections with Vietnam.
    And when Russian tanks rolled into Ukraine, the Chinese propaganda of “India as sepoy” collapsed as India remained steadfast with Russia even with American and other Western pressure even with American offer to provide top grade military technology to replace all of Russia’s military hardware purchases. India, “the sepoy”, did not budge from its Russian friendship, not an inch. Nor did it soften to China. Which again proves that India’s reason to get closer to the West has everything to do with China and India’s perception of China (not mine) as an untrustworthy threat. I think with the recent developments in Indo-Russia-West relations, the whole cheap propaganda of “India as Sepoy” should be retired for good. But China needs this and will keep using it even if it looks ridiculous.

    Even earlier, China foolishly opposed Indo-American-Japanese naval Malabar exercises and blamed Japan for instigating India while it is India which went all out of the way to invite Japan. India out of its own will, invited the Australian Royal Navy for the Naval exercises. Sometimes I wonder if QUAD is led by India, not the USA. QUAD started with the Malabar exercises, initially held by India.

  272. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Lets forget Chawla, let us check out this extreme Hindu Indian Nationalist, Rajiv Dixit. Most of his videos are virulently anti West and anti-British to the EXTREME.

    More power to him. I have nothing but respect and admiration for based people like him.Do you have translations of his speeches in English?

    What happened is China’s and India’s anti-colonial mentalities banged and crashed into each other. Simple As. This would need seperate posts which would discuss the Chinese perception of India as a sepoy of the West (emerging from China’s anti-colonial mentality), a perception which is very old, much older than 1962 and the Indian perception of Communist China as an evil Imperialist entity hellbent on world domination like the British Empire (emerging from India’s anti-colonial mentality). Both perceptions are wrong but they exist in people’s minds. Both are stupid and simplistic but the fact is we have to understand this phenomenon if we have to understand Indo-China relations in depth.

    It’s possible that much of the intra-Asian conflicts since decolonization stem from the need to escape from the Western colonial legacy which the Chinese attribute, rightly or wrongly — to the role of the British Raj in shaping Indian nationalism today.

    My view is that Asians — Chinese, Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Arabs, Japanese, Koreans — better come up with pan-Asian ideologies based on Asian metaphysics, instead of trying to fit Western paradigms into the Asian environment which is like putting square pegs into round holes. Western dichotomies — liberalism vs authoritarianism, capitalism vs socialism, nationalism vs globalism, traditionalism vs modernism — won’t suffice for the complexity of Asian Civilizations and their incongruity with Asian metaphysics.

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  273. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The idea of India as a sepoy of the USA is an impossibility according to american thinking. India can be strategic partner, not a sepoy.

    David C. Mulford served as the twenty-first U.S. ambassador to the Republic of India from 2004–2009. Now this is serious stuff, not some punt, a real ambassador who served in India.

    From 40:30 minutes, ex Ambassador Mulford says
    The lesson to be learnt from that, you CANNOT have a policy of DICTATION to India. It is a SOVEREIGN STATE and regards itself very very STRONGLY as a Sovereign State.….and they developed a sound doubt (due to US sanctions during India’s nuclear tests) as the United States as a dependable partner. And this interfered across the board for all kind of things and damaged our relationship with India………. The intensity of US management of weapons operations with India or anybody else maybe justified and desirable but it is not EASY TO MANAGE WITH INDIA. BECAUSE, THEY DON’T WANT PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND THEIR COUNTRY FROM OUR DEFENCE DEPARTMENT. Checking up to see how they are dealing with the weapons. How they took care of them. If they are honouring every aspect of the agreements. So on… This has been an instructive lesson and it took us some years to build back. And the key thing that helped us was the decision by president George W. Bush to introduce a Civil Nuclear negotiations which ended with a major treaty on India’s access to Civil Nuclear Technology (Malla: This is despite, India dishonouring it’s agreement with Canada earlier and using a nuclear reactor built with Canadian help for it’s nuclear weapons program). And that restored our relations. And I hope we keep those lessons in mind because it is very easy to overdo things. AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE INDIA, TOP OF THE LINE TECHNOLOGY IN RADAR, WEAPONRY & OTHER THINGS.”

    So let me get this straight. Americans say “We cannot dictate to India, India strongly considers itself an Sovereign State”. Sorry does not seem as sepoy.
    Indeed even during the Trump Presidency, when Indo-US relations were the best, when the USA put some trade tariffs on India, India immediately retaliated back. Even earlier, when an Indian diplomat woman was arrested in the USA (by NY police) because of accusations of abuse of an Indian maid, India retaliated against the USA. How is this sepoy?

    Diplomat Devyani Khobragade’s arrest: India acts tough with US, takes tit-for-tat measures
    India as sepoy does not hold up to scrutiny.

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  274. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    More power to him. I have nothing but respect and admiration for based people like him.Do you have translations of his speeches in English?

    Unfortunately none, all are in Hindi but his followers (he is dead) may have videos with English subtitles.

    Western dichotomies — liberalism vs authoritarianism, capitalism vs socialism, nationalism vs

    globalism, traditionalism vs modernism — won’t suffice for the complexity of Asian Civilizations and their incongruity with Asian metaphysics.

    Very interesting point. Never thought of that. However Asia is too diverse and complicated. But not impossible but sure is quite difficult compared to other continents.

    British Raj in shaping Indian nationalism today.

    Indian Nationalism was shaped by resisting the British Raj.

    Anyways, I am sorry if I came across as too anti-China. I really am not. I have Sinophile tendencies actually. I am just arguing against India as a sepoy thing, what may be needed is trying to change the false perceptions Indians have of China due to incidents in the past. And I agree that India is not as innocent as it shows and what Indians believe it to be. I mean the actions of the Indian Government w.r.t Pakistan and China. There may be many cases where India has taken unnecessary actions which may have been harmful to China including anti-China propaganda. If India has done this, then it is wrong and needs to be condemned. In situations, where China is in the right w.r.t India, I support China. The thing is it can be very difficult to know the real truth about things. A lot of things are not known to commoners but only to top Government officials.

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  275. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Pakistan needed to strengthen its defense vis-à-vis India and welcomed the weapons supply from the United States and China at same time. “The Genesis of Sino-Pak defense cooperation lies in Chinese attempts at maintaining military balance in the region and its concerns about any shift being inimical to its national security concerns. Beginning as a marriage of mutual convenience, it was nourished by a common hatred for India” (Sahgal, 2003, p.173). The growing Indo-Soviet ties and continuing generous flow of the Soviet arms to India was a destabilizing factor in the region. Although the Sino-Indian relations were moving towards positive direction, the Soviet-backed India was still looming large in the minds of the Chinese and Pakistani policy makers. For Pakistan, the power parity with India was so important that she had always strived to defend its security by all possible means to make a balance in power projection and halt India from getting a position of the hegemonic leadership. “For China, the alliance with Pakistan was always largely intraregional in focus, prompted mainly by Beijing’s wish to prevent India’s emergence as a serious rival, in particular, to block India from any role in China’s encirclement.” (Wirsing, 2005, p.153). China’s alignment with Pakistan had served its interests in such a way that there was no other state in South Asia which could align with India against China. The Indian neighbors had always disliked her hegemony in the region and considered India as a regional bully.

    Those authors forgot about the role of the USA in supplying weapons to Pakistan, probably the biggest factor in fomenting tensions in South Asia. China was late to the game, having been allied with Pakistan due to their common need and shared interest in containing the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in 1979. But that lasted only ten years until the Soviet withdrawal in 1989. After the USA had imposed sanctions on both China and Pakistan in the 1990s, the two countries became military allies, with China supplanting the USA as the biggest supplier of weapons to Pakistan.

    That’s what I was saying about Nehru allowing the CIA to operate in India, which then led to the failed Tibetan uprising and the flight of the Dalai Lama to India in 1959. By the time war broke out in the Sino-Indian border in 1962, Nehru wrote a letter to Kennedy pleading for US military intervention against China. Nehru later permitted the USA to spy on China’s Lop Nur nuclear weapons test site using U-2 spy planes which had to refuel in an Indian Air Base. After Nehru’s death, the USA later backed Pakistan against India during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War, by sending a carrier battle group to the Bay of Bengal (together with the UK) which was met by nuclear submarines from the USSR which had backed India against Pakistan. Note that China didn’t take sides during this time even though Nixon gave Mao the green-light to intervene militarily.

    Thus this theory that China needed to arm Pakistan in order to undermine or contain India is technically incorrect because it was the USA which played the biggest role in arming Pakistan from its inception in 1947 until the 1990s when China supplanted the USA. Indian nationalists tend to blame China as their favorite bogeyman but conveniently forgetting that their favored ‘ally’ today — USA — played the biggest role in arming Pakistan.

  276. @Malla

    So far, so interesting – thanks. Except Reza Shah changed Persia´s name
    to “Iran” in 1935 (and was (((deposed))) for his Aryan leanings in 1941).

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  277. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    That was Deng in 1979 not Mao who never sided with the USA against the USSR until his death in 1976. What Mao got from Nixon was a quid-pro-quo — China would stop backing Communist guerrillas in Vietnam while the USA would withdraw its military from Vietnam and Taiwan.

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  278. Malla says:
    @jami

    the Opium War was on.

    And the country which benefited the most from the Opium war was actually…..Iran!!! How?
    The end of the Second Anglo-Chinese War also known as the Second Opium War (1856-1860) and the signing of the Treaties of Tienjin were an additional factor which helped the successful introduction of Iranian opium into China. Indian Merchants expected that the new treaties would ease significantly the trade of Indian opium in China. However, the forced legalization of the opium trade in China was also good news for Chinese entrepreneurs in China who began producing massive amounts of opium in the southern regions of the country, and of course for merchants who dealt in imported non-Indian opium from Iran and the Ottoman Empire.
    The British intentions behind their initiative to legalize opium in China are a complicated issue. Owen cleverly shows that Lord Elgin, who oversaw the signing of the Treaties of Tienjin which legalized opium in China, was in fact personally opposed to the opium trade and fully aware that legalization was not in the interests of the Indian opium trade. He was convinced, though, that legalization was preferable to the previous situation of a government protecting the right of merchants whose trade is a clear violation of another country’s legal code, as he argued that “Legalization is preferable to the evils attending the farce now played”.
    From, Owen, British Opium Policy in China and India, 228-29.
    The Chinese market post-1860 was flooded with opium which caused a significant price reduction. The new lower-level of opium prices was able to guarantee profit only to opium that cost significantly less to produce and transport to China. This made Iranian opium highly attractive for merchants since its production costs were lower than those of the Indian opium and, on top of that, Iran did not have the elaborate customs system of the the British Raj. The British victory in the Opium Wars destabilized the Chinese opium market and opened it for non-Indian opium who took over the market eventually, significantly reducing the profitability of producing opium in India. The end of the Second Opium War created high expectations in India that the opium trade would significantly expand and that a price increase would soon follow that expansion. However, an unexpected rise in the crop of both Patna and Malwa opium in 1861, and the beginning of local opium cultivation by Chinese entrepreneurs, kept prices in China at bay and sales at a slow pace. This had disastrous results for the Indian opium market. Advanced purchases of opium in above-market prices by local merchants in the Malwa states who borrowed money to fund those purchases, left them with cheap opium, incapable to cover their debts. Speculators in Calcutta, who contributed to the price rise in April and May 1861, found themselves in a similar state of insolvency in June 1861. The attempt of all those to quickly regain some of their losses by getting rid of their opium chests in a hurry, pushed the prices even further down.
    This affair took place at basically the same time in which, according to almost all the available sources, the sales of Iranian opium in China began to rise. Since there was no reduction in the demand for opium in China during the 1860s Iranian opium could easily be sold there, and due to its lower production and taxation cost (compared with both Patna and Malwa varieties of India opium) Iranian opium was still profitable for the merchants who dealt with it. While Indian merchants withheld their stocks of Indian opium, merchants who dealt with Iranian opium were only limited by the amounts of opium Iran could produce and export.

  279. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    I am just arguing against India as a sepoy thing, what may be needed is trying to change the false perceptions Indians have of China due to incidents in the past.

    It’s possible that the Chinese don’t understand how Indian politics work in such a diverse country, which gives the impression that Indian elites act too pro-Western but remain anti-Chinese even under circumstances which warrant the reverse. For example, during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War, China remained on the sidelines while the US-led West sided with Pakistan during that war which was far more momentous than the 1962 Sino-Indian War. Yet, all you hear from Indian elites is their criticism of Chinese perfidy — real or imagined — during 1962 Sino-Indian War while ignoring or downplaying US and Western duplicity in threatening military intervention against India during the 1971 Indian-Pakistan War. This is especially true now that the pro-American Indian elites have grown in wealth, power and influence which makes their voices louder than the rest of the population. That in turn shapes the perception of outsiders or foreigners that Indian elites are being anti-Chinese because they’re all pro-Western Sepoys. This is unfortunate because the legitimate concerns of Indian nationalists like Rajiv Dixit are then ignored and forgotten.

    That’s what I meant by the need for Asians to create their own epistemology which underlie their cultural universe because much of their knowledge is expressed in Western concepts which are intrinsically hostile to and alienated from their own historical experience. Asia needs more people like Rajiv Dixit who could espouse the authentic voices of Asians which needs to be heard in elite Asian circles and propagated to a wider audience through mass media and public education. Chinese nationalists would prefer Indian nationalists like Rajiv Dixit who are respected and admired for their willingness to criticize Western ideas. But if you’re an Indian elite who only criticize Chinese wrongdoings but ignore Western misdeeds, then you’re just an Indian Sepoy to the Chinese.

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  280. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    What Mao got from Nixon was a quid-pro-quo — China would stop backing Communist guerrillas in Vietnam while the USA would withdraw its military from Vietnam and Taiwan.

    Also the Tibet program was scrapped by the USA (they might have restarted it, I do not know.)

    The Sino Soviet split happened for many reasons, but it is not a surprise that it happened during Khrushchev’s time (you say of him backtracking on helping China with nukes), the CCP was not comfortable with the De-Stalinization movement in the USSR under Khrushchev .

  281. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Indian nationalists tend to blame China as their favorite bogeyman but conveniently forgetting that their favored ‘ally’ today — USA — played the biggest role in arming Pakistan.

    Indian Nationalists hate and traditionally hated Pakistan the most. Far more than China. Indeed many Indian nationalists can imagine friendship with China, but never with Pakistan. Hardcore Hindutva types do not even acknowledge Pakistan as a legitimate country and want it to return to the motherland, consider it a fake colonial creation.
    Only recently as Sino-Pakistani relations have deepened further and come out as more open, that anti-China feelings in some ways have overtaken anti-Pakistan feelings, because now the idea is that Pakistan is just an extension of China. Partly also because Indian nationalists find it insulting that India is compared to Pakistan which they consider a failed state and thus this comparison an insult, China as a enemy is mre worthy in prestige, but China would consider India as a comparison insulting and may consider USA as a worthy enemy.

    Chinese wrongdoings but ignore Western misdeeds, t
    their favored ‘ally’ today — USA — played the biggest role in arming Pakistan.

    Not true, actually Indian Nats were traditionally very anti-USA too and considered the USA as untrustworthy. Indeed they would blame the USA for everything that happened in the World, even Westernised types who like US culture would do this. Indian Nats became more friendly to the USA and the West in general only in the last two decades but it still a weak force compared to Russia. In the recent American pressure on India during the Ukraine crisis, some of that anti-American tendencies of old (from comments online) came back a bit.
    Indian Nats can be anti-USA and anti-China at the same time.

    Interestingly a lot of Westernised Indian elites I knew were Marxists!!! Now a days. there are Maoists or Mao worshiping teens in US suburbs, it seems. LOL.

    But if you’re an Indian elite who only criticize Chinese wrongdoings but ignore Western misdeeds, then you’re just an Indian Sepoy to the Chinese.

    Why do you think Indian elites do not criticize the West? Many do.

    Asia needs more people like Rajiv Dixit who could espouse the authentic voices of Asians which needs to be heard in elite Asian circles and propagated to a wider audience through mass media and public education.

    His anti-Western mentality is very common and a core element of Hindutva. The problem for you guys is, Hindutvas consider both Islam (+ Christianity) and Marxism (in any form) as alien/ harmful as Western/British influence in the entire Indian subcontinent (Akhand Bharat).

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  282. Do you hold – as is sometimes hinted from Hindutva circles – that Jinna
    was wrong to insist on partition – too self-centered, too power-hungry,
    too overanxious, too whatever?

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  283. denk says:

    malla

    Your ref to state dept doc, [sic] Indian press [sic] and politicians, gringo ambassadors [sic] counts for naught.
    All are certified liars.

    Here’r some realities on the ground , according to India’s long suffering neighbours,,,,

    After coming to power two-and-a-half years ago, Modi’s Hindu-supremacist Bharatiya Janata Party government is transforming India into a “frontline state” of US war preparations to confront China. India, with the help of the US, is increasingly intervening in every country in South Asia, including Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal and Maldives.

    Washington and New Delhi did not oppose former Sri Lankan President Mahinda Rajapakse’s war against the separatist Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and his anti-democratic rule. However, both countries were hostile to Rajapakse’s close economic ties with Beijing. When the Obama administration orchestrated a regime-change operation in Sri Lanka, via the presidential election in January 2015, to replace Rajapakse with Sirisena, New Delhi fully backed the move

    [1]

    Never ending sufferings of Libyan, Syrian, Egyptian, Ukrainian, Iraqi, Pakistani, etc. people must be a stark warning to India which is USA’s latest use and dump toilet paper. Unfortunately for India, its ultra nationalist rulers don’t see what is in stock for it by playing its role assigned by USA. In its latest blunder, India has joined USA and Vietnam in disrupting China in the South China Sea. The timing couldn’t have been more perfect. Since the past four weeks, USA made several military advances in South China Sea. It spied on newly constructed Chinese islets, decided to place its nuclear warhead carrying planes in northern Australia against China (an extremely dangerous and irresponsible move), agitated ASEAN countries to take on China and entered into weapons transfer agreements with them. India jumped in and responded immediately by entering into a strategic defence agreement with Vietnam against China. India has already sent a destroyer and three accompanying vessels to South China Sea to further antagonise China.

    This follows India’s retaliatory response to China supposedly building a ‘string of pearls’ around India. The absurd ‘string of pearls’ concept is a US made concept to demonise China’s commercial infrastructure in South Asia and pit India into confrontation against China. In fact, there is no Chinese attempt to encircle India. Most Chinese trade and vital oil imports pass through the Indian Ocean and defending these trade routes is of paramount importance. On the other hand, the South China Sea has no relevance to Indian trade. However, if India tries to enter into the South China Sea dispute as it already has done so, China will be left with no option but to respond in like manner.

    [2]

    Indians are found directly helping the Dalai Lama and representatives of his government in exile, who are active in various Domes in the country. These representatives are involved in construction of the Sera Jey Monastery and Choeling Dome in Kathmandu,capital city of the country. The Dalai Lama’s representatives are found frequently travelling Kathmandu to provide support in such constructions. Indians, Americans and some and Europeans are found organizing different activities against China from our soil.
    The Southern-Western alliance has planned to separate China by developing Nepal as a centre to carry-out their anti-China activities.

    [3]

    The US and India seem to have worked in tandem to shape the international conditions in which the Maldivian election occurred, just as they did three and a half years prior in January 2015 when Sri Lankan President Rajapaksa was unexpectedly deposed in a scenario just like this one. Similarly to Sri Lanka at the time, the strategic situation surrounding the Maldives is much larger than the small island state because of its New Cold War implications concerning the Chinese-Indian competition over the Indian Ocean. Yameen was regarded as a close Chinese partner and committed his country to the Silk Road, something that drew India’s ire to no end given the Maldives’ strategic location “right on its doorstep” and astride some of the world’s most important Sea Lines Of Communication (SLOC).

    [4]

    Thus, a full screen play was written about a possible regime change in Nepal. All this was going on in tandem with US moves to wean away Nepal from China, by arm-twisting and carrot and stick policies.

    But all these efforts by hegemonists, US and India are thwarted, at least for the present, by Nepal. And this is painted as China’s interference in Nepal!

    [5]

    Tip of an iceberg

    [1]
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/05/19/modi-m19.html

    [2]
    https://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2015/05/31/india-the-new-american-disposable-paper/

    [3]
    https://www.peoplesreview.com.np/2017/07/12/increasing-anti-china-activities-in-nepal/

    [4]
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/pivot-towards-india-or-china-the-maldives-might-not-become-an-indian-satellite-at-least-not-yet/5655674

    [5]
    https://countercurrents.org/2020/06/persistent-and-unabated-efforts-by-us-to-grip-and-destabilize-nepal-as-part-of-indo-pacific-strategy/

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  284. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    Do you hold – as is sometimes hinted from Hindutva circles – that Jinna
    was wrong to insist on partition – too self-centered, too power-hungry,
    too overanxious, too whatever?

    You are right, that is what Hindutvas believe about Jinnah. But in my opinion, Jinnah was doing what he could to save Muslims. The truth is the Indian Independence Struggle against British Empire was dominated by upper caste Hindus. And even thought there were Muslims and lower castes, it was still dominated by upper caste Hindus. Actually it were the ottomans who were responsible for the division of India. During WW1, the Axis Empire and the Allied Empires were attacking each other’s Empires. Example British conquests of German Empire lands, British support for Arab Independence. The Germans and Ottomans were doing the same. The Germans were more close to Hindu rebels and the Ottoman Emperor being Caliph was close to Muslims (duh!). This old to the Kalifat (Calip) movement in India and led to the Mopplah massacre in South India, where the anti-British movement among local Muslims turned anti-Hindus and there was a butchering of Hindus. In response, many right-winged movements like the RSS emerged which was pushing Indian society more Hindutva further increasing fears in Muslims and thus a demand for Pakistan. And this Caliph of Islam who lived in Turkey and his support in India thingy, made Hindus come to the conclusion that International Islam is a threat to Indian nationalism. Indian Muslims could support some foreign Muslim forces, which is a threat to Indian nationalism.

    The Turkish Origins Of India’s Partition | Abhijit Chavda | Genocide Of Kashmiri Hindus |Moplah Riot

    So the truth is Jinnah, did what he did because the INC was mild Hindutva and Jinnah realized that India would eventually go extreme Hindutva and this may become a threat to Indian subcon Muslims (as is happening now). He was actually a very smart guy and did what he did to protect Muslims.
    Also some Muslims did not want to live in a country run by Hindus (even if it is secular, Hindus being majority, there would be more Hindus elected to power), as hey considered Hindus idol worshipers while at least the British were people of the Book (Christians) and thus their rule was comparatively more permissible by Islamic law.

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  285. Malla says:
    @denk

    countercurrents, wsw —> Commie websites, they will obviously not take India’s side.
    lankaweb–> hostiel towards India
    Denki check 271 and 272 posts, China was afraid, USSR may be using India & Vietnam as part to encircle China so it allied with Pakistan and USA. India is afraid that China is trying to encircle India by making strong alliances with other South Asian countries like Nepal, Sri Lanka—the Garland of pearls. So India allies with USA to break this perceived encirclement. Everybody cares for their geo political security and want to avoid possible strategic weakening in the future. So they take steps with “enemy of my enemy. ”

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    , @denk
    , @denk
  286. denk says:
    @Malla

    how does it jibe with your india not FUKUS sepoy BS ?

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  287. denk says:
    @Malla

    Thus, a full screen play was written about a possible regime change in Nepal. All this was going on in tandem with US moves to wean away Nepal from China, by arm-twisting and carrot and stick policies.

    But all these efforts by hegemonists, US and India are thwarted, at least for the present, by Nepal. And this is painted as China’s interference in Nepal!

    [1]

    Speak too soon buddy.

    CIA/RAW on a roll….

    Nepal had just been forced fed the MCC, aka IPS [Indo pac strategy aka anti china road map] [2]

    Imran Khan ousted.
    CIA/RAW proxy BLA slaughtered Chinese teachers and promised more to come,.

    Sri Lanka who refused the MCC offer from USAss is now in ruin.,
    Bankrupted by USAss engineered fuel crunch and food crisis, at the tender mercy of IMF, ready to be delivered to the USAss/India axis on a plate.

    Maldives arm twisted by USAss/INDIA to sign a de facto SOFA pact,

    The picture that emerges by joining the dots would seem to be, one where India acts as a US proxy to bind smaller Indian Ocean states – through agreements and other mechanisms – to advance a shared US-Indian goal of thwarting China’s emerging global dominance. There appears an element of surreptitiousness and secrecy in the manner in which both Sri Lanka and the Maldives are being co-opted into the US-Indian project. Both countries would need to beware of the dangers of being unwittingly drawn into proxy wars between nuclear-armed big powers.

    [3]

    if you dont like the word sepoy, how about proxy, patsy , trojan ?

    [1]
    https://countercurrents.org/2020/06/persistent-and-unabated-efforts-by-us-to-grip-and-destabilize-nepal-as-part-of-indo-pacific-strategy/

    [2]
    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/nepl-f24.html

    [3]
    https://datelinecolombo.wordpress.com/2021/04/03/sri-lanka-maldives-in-crosshairs-of-us-proxy-war-in-the-indian-ocean/

  288. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    More power to him. I have nothing but respect and admiration for based people like him.

    I am not surprised that you like him. However his enmity to English and Englishness in India, is not a good thing for India, in my opinion. But fortunately for you, I think, eventually Dixit’s mentality will win in India as it is very popular, including among most elites. India will move in Dixit’s direction and become a disaster, but that is inevitable now.

    To make you understand what I mean, I would write the writings of a South Indian (from Kerala-Malabar), calling himself VED who has a different, minority view of things. In my opinion a more correct view.
    VED writes
    ” And to lay stress on this reality, the personnel are heavily paid. What is actually happening is similar to the creation of the Nair supervisor class in both Malabar as well as in Travancore. In both locations, there was some similarity in the social structure in the ancient times, even though the people/s was/were different.
    The lowest class Sudra folks or something similar were recruited as the supervisor class by the Brahmin landlords. Whoever existed under the landlords (other than those who were given the entrance to Brahmin temples for temple work), were necessarily addressed and referred to quite rudely by these sudra class supervisors. They must have necessarily used the Nee / Inhi (Thoo – lowest You) word as You. The lowest He, She words Avan and Aval would have been used to refer to anyone subordinate in the society.

    It does seem that there were accidental migrants even from Greece in north Malabar. They all fell down to the levels of total verbal despoilment under these supervisors.Slowly the supervisor class went on improving in stature and wealth, till a time came about when they could afford to dictate terms to their Brahmin overlords. This rise in stature was aided by the fact that these sudras allowed access to their women folk to their Brahmin overlords. So that the presence of Brahmin
    blood was quite obvious in the nairs (more fair skin and sharp Caucasoid facial features). It went on increasing over the generations.

    For the Government of India views the peoples of the lands as the Thoo, Nee, Avan, Aval, Uss level of persons. So the government side view them with the disdain, distaste and disregard they thus deserve. . (edited) [5:58 PM] However, in the case of the English Company, everyone in the land was of their own level of You, He, She etc. That is a very vibrant difference. No one actually thinks of this, but it is a fact. I have experienced many times the terrific difference it makes when a person’s definition is changed from that in the local feudal language to that in English. Everything literally changes. There is much to be mentioned in this regard, but let me move on.

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  289. Malla says:
    @Malla

    “This is an item that cannot be understood in current-day India. In India, a business organisation has various unmentioned aims. The most basic aim is for the business owner to arrive in the App, Saab, MemSaab, Ungal, Avar, Adheham, Saar, Bhayi &c. locations of the local feudal languages. (Respect, elitism)
    Conjoined and interfused into this aim is the insidious aim to create a workforce under the boss, who can be addressed as Nee or Thoo, and referred to as Avan, Aval, Uss &c. This is a very barbarian aim on which the native English have no information (Terms used on people of lower status, with disdain)
    1
    [7:25 AM]
    In the above-mentioned feudal language aims of entrepreneurism, there is not even an iota bit of scope for having any kind of altruistic aims. For, feudal languages (native Indian languages) are carnivorous languages. Explaining the fervent near-ecclesiastical tone of the unselfishness in the aims of English East India Company to a feudal language speaker would be like saying that a lion accosted a deer to show it a nice green meadow for grazing.
    Feudal language speaking businessmen have carnivorous aims. What this carnivorous aim is cannot be understood by the native-English. For them, the experience is like that of a fish that sees a nice bit of tiny meat piece hanging in front of its mouth. The tone and timbre of the sight is quite a tasty one. There is no way to inform the fish that the luscious bit of meat is actually hiding a sharp hook. Once the hook pierces in, there is no way out. It is actually a straight route to the cooking pot in some extremely distant location. I have already mentioned the words of the king of Travancore, in which he does mention that the English are totally different from any other population he has had the experience to come across. And that they were dependable unlike anyone else.

    …snip…

    I have detected that the English were not actually businessmen as one would define or understand a South Asian businessman. I have been with businessmen here and I have done a number of businesses, each for short spans of time. The mood and the unmentioned ulterior aims that spur a South Asian person to do business is not the same as what would urge a native Englishman to do business.”

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  290. Malla says:
    @Malla

    May be thousands of young men in British-India and elsewhere in the subcontinent might have worked in this scheme. Some half-baked leftist individual in Great Britain might look up at the incidences and find out that these young men were meagrely paid, and thus they were the slaves of the Empire.
    That is not the bloody truth, but. The inglorious truth is that those who worked under the native-English were the lucky folks of the land. Just to work under an English system is something that has an attraction that no other work ambience can deliver to the lower classes. The other option for these young men would have been to be the slaves of the local landlords, who would definitely address and refer to them in the meanest pejorative words in the local feudal languages.
    The natives of England might not understand the wonderful experience of being able to work under persons who have only one form of You, He and She in their native language.
    Just ask any South Asian working class person living in England to ponder on shifting to India to continue his same work here. The possibility that he or she will go into terrific depression cannot be denied.

  291. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Indian Nationalists hate and traditionally hated Pakistan the most. Far more than China. Indeed many Indian nationalists can imagine friendship with China, but never with Pakistan. Hardcore Hindutva types do not even acknowledge Pakistan as a legitimate country and want it to return to the motherland, consider it a fake colonial creation.

    That’s my suspicion too. The West most likely had a hand in causing the 1947 Partition of India and the 1965 Indo-Pakistan War. The West openly came out in support of Pakistan against India during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War while China remained neutral, thereby proving its good faith in dealing with India.

    Only recently as Sino-Pakistani relations have deepened further and come out as more open, that anti-China feelings in some ways have overtaken anti-Pakistan feelings, because now the idea is that Pakistan is just an extension of China.

    The Sino-Pakistan military relations came about by accident as both China and Pakistan were sanctioned by the USA throughout the 1990s. Pakistan turned to China as its biggest supplier of fighter jets because the USA blocked the delivery of F-16s which had been paid for by Pakistan.

    On hindsight, my view is that China made a strategic mistake in supporting the Pakistan military as it further antagonized India. In the future, China would have to step back from its military relationship with Pakistan in order to assuage India’s national security concerns while limiting its economic relationship with Pakistan to civilian industries. The last thing China wants to do is pick sides in the India-Pakistan rivalry even as Pakistan fell into China’s lap after the USA sanctioned both countries in the 1990s.

  292. @antibeast

    Indian elites spent a couple of hundred years groveling to the English, while the overlords allowed tens of millions of peasant Indians to die in Great Famines. Such subservience is hard to be rid of, without a revolution. India will, in any case, be uninhabitable in a few decades due to rising temperatures, floods, droughts etc, so, perhaps the Indian elites fancy Tibet as a refuge.

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  293. @American Bulwark

    Your lips are getting thicker and thicker. Nam and Stan successfully shafted murrika from behind. It hurted like hell. Didn’t it!

    Unlike the “Indians” (the feather kind), Asians are immune to small-pox blankets. They are also immune to B-52s, Agent-oranges and baby-killing drones…

    In addition, China also has allies in the ex-slaves who are turning white women in murrika into coal-burners! 😀

    The non-whites are gaining…

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  294. Malla says:
    @denk

    Check out from the horses mouth. Post 275 of this page, David Mulford, US ambassador to India admits, India cannot become sepoy. Too proud, arrogant to become sepoy, may make USA into India’s sepoy!!!

    Hey denki, check thisout
    From
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233069936_China%27s_Response_to_the_Soviet_Invasion_of_Afghanistan

    Soviets had charged China with being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA.

    The Kremlin’s heart must have been broken. The USSR helped create CCP, but China backstab Comrade Soviets and frolic around with Imperialist Capitalist Murica. hehehehe

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  295. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    One can read more from VED about English Vs Feudal languages here

    https://books.google.co.in/books?id=vfeuAQAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
    MARCH of the EVIL EMPIRES: ENGLISH versus the FEUDAL LANGUAGES

    https://play.google.com/store/books/details/VED_from_VICTORIA_INSTITUTIONS_The_SHROUDED_SATANI?id=Op-BWDzqK3sC
    The SHROUDED SATANISM in FEUDAL LANGUAGES!: Tribulations and intractability of improving others!!

    https://www.victoriainstitutions.com

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  296. sb says:
    @Malla

    Those blacks who had any awareness of the world outside the plantation would understandably have been pro loyalist .The end of slavery story would have been quite different . By 1776 the writing was on the wall for slavery in the British world . Not so much in the American (ex) colonies

    Also treatment of the native tribes may also have been different . Weren’t the colonists noses significantly out of joint at London’s insistence that natives must be allowed at least a little land to call their own . Perhaps there would have been no Trail of Tears for instance .

    But who knows

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  297. @Deep Thought

    “The non-whites are gaining…”

    ROFLMAO!

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  298. @American Bulwark

    ROFLMAO!

    That’s how Nam and Stan got you through your backside!!! 😀

  299. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Are you telling me that feudal thinking as encoded by Indian vernacular languages is still prevalent in the non-English speaking populations of India?

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  300. “After the Karachi suicide bombing, a narrative started to emerge in some Pakistani circles that Iran and India were in cahoots to destabilize Balochistan.”

    Actually, that sounds very much like a rumor started by the CIA or Mossad.

  301. @Truth Vigilante

    Thanks for that. Very useful information.

  302. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    Yes. The importance of status, to look down upon people below your status as scum (not good), that kind of thing. VED has a lot of experience with rural South India.

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  303. Malla says:
    @sb

    Showmethereal cannot accept that the Brits were more kinder to the native Americans than the freedom fighters. It is the same thing in India. One of the fist thing one jungle tribe (adivasi) in india asked a reporter/ author in independent India, ‘When can we get our forests back and when are the British coming back to power again?’

  304. Malla says:
    @mulga mumblebrain

    Actually Western educated Indian elites led the independence movement against the British while the lower castes were loyal. Only after Gandhi, did the Independence movement become a mass movement.

  305. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:

    that Iran and India were in cahoots to destabilize Balochistan.

    That makes absolutely no sense. Both Tehran and Islamabad are tightly linked to Beijing through several nodes of the New Silk Roads. Iran would draw less than zero benefit to collude with India to destabilize an area that borders Afghanistan

    Iran AND India??!!

    This hyphenation is suspicious!

    Doesn’t India have enough mischief on its mind in its quest to destabilise Pakistan? Does it necessarily need collusion with Iran to enable this mischief?

    It seems this fellow is trying to obfuscate India’s role here. The question is why?

  306. jami says:
    @Malla

    The following document, that YOU coppied from and pasted here, is written by a Jewish Israeli researcher by the name of Ram Baruch Regavim from University of Pennsylvania, in 231 pages This is his email in case anyone is interested: [email protected]

    The Most Sovereign of Masters: The History of Masters: The History of Opium in Modern Iran, 1850-1955
    https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1845&context=edissertations

    [MORE]

    The following text and other texts in other comments by YOU have been copied and pasted here from the above document, line by line without any interpretation. for example the following comment is taken from CHAPTER 2, page 39 of this document:
    [[In his book Amir Kabir va-Iran, Fereydoun Adamiyat argues that already during Amir Kabir’s reign as the chief Minister of Nasr al-Din Shah (1848-1851), experimental cultivation of opium poppies took place in the outskirts of Tehran. Isfahan-based merchant Aqa Mohammad-Reza Arbab al-Esfahani as being among the first Iranian merchant-landowner who learned the business of opium in India and brought it to Iran…..]]

    This document is written by a Jewish researcher to discredit the work of an independent Iranian historian by the name of Abdullah Shahbazi, who has written many books and articles about the influence of the Jewish oligarch on British empire and their destructive role in Iran. Shahbazi has many books where his 5 volume books tiled :
    ‘Jewish and Parsi Plutocrats: British Imperialism and Iran (1999-2004)’ is known to many.
    By “Parsi” Shahbazi means the wealthy Parsi (Zoroastrian) families of Bombay and western India during the 19th and 20th centuries. The ‘parsi’ claim that they are originally from Persia where left that empire after invasion of Arabs. Parsis are embedded in the British empire and have close ties with the Zionist Jews including Sassoon and Rothschild.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdollah_Shahbazi
    I bring Abdullah Shahbazi’s response to Fereydoun Adamiyat, a PRO WEST Iranian historian (1920-2008). Adamiyat never exposed the role of the Jewish Oligarch in Opium trade. I think it was not his concern, although did not view the role of this group in a good light. Besides, not much sources were available in early and mid 20th century.
    Fereydoun Adamiyat wrote:
    “There was very small poppy production during the Savavid era, but nothing close to the era of the Opium production in the second part of the 19th century. in Iran, he believed that the poppy production in Iran was not significant. He wrote that: Poppy cultivation was not common until the middle of the 19th century, and we did not find any mention of opium smoking in the writings of foreign authors who came to Iran at that time. in 1880s opium poppy cultivation around Tehran was tested to measure its results.”
    Shahbazi said: The conclusion we draw is that the introduction to the development of opium began at this time. And this is Shahbazi’s response to Adamiyat:
    Adamiyat thinks opium poppy started in 1880s and calls it only an “introduction to the development of opium poppy” and “experimental”, but a few pages later forgets the previous statement and makes it clear that the dimensions of the issue are wider than this year opium cultivation. Not only “Experimental” but also had an “export” aspect:
    in the previous period, we knew that with the increase of poppy cultivation, Iranian opium became exported in 1881. The Indian government prevented it from entering, arguing that the export of opium to India was prohibited, and that Iranian opium had not been exported to the market before. But the Iranian authorities considered the ban on the import of Iranian products completely unjustified and demanded its removal.
    In short, Shale advocated opening the door to Iranian opium exports to Mumbai and from there to China by corresponding with the government of Palmerston, then Secretary of State in the Liberal Party, pretending that if this ban was not lifted, Amir Kabir would retaliate preventing “British and Indian goods” from entering Iran. So this ban was lifted.
    It became clear from the explanations of Adamiyat that:
    1- Before the year 1850 . Opium did not matter in Iran.
    2. Before this date, opium addiction as a social phenomenon was not significant.
    3- Opium cultivation was established extensively with the aim of exporting it to China in the above year, and ten years later, opium addiction became a social phenomenon in Iran.
    4. The government of the (Liberal) party in England and its subordinate government in India did not initially agree to export Iranian opium to China, but lifted the ban due to pressure. Shale correspondence and positions in favor of Iran’s opium export played an important role in this change of procedure.
    Adamiyat, a pro WEST historian, however, said by Shahbazi, “was ready to mention ONLY the destination of this opium trade (Mumbai and then China) and omits two main points:
    “First, that the cause of the emergence of this phenomenon in the Iranian economy was the Sassoon company based in Mumbai;
    And Second, that Mirza Hussain Khan (Sepahsalar) was the broker of this transaction.
    “Even the above article brings other point of views, that you DID NOT copy: page 66 of this document says:
    [[Several famines took place in India in the 1860s and 1870s: One broke out in
    Orissa in 1866, another one in 1869 in Rajputana and yet another one in Bihar in 1873-
    74. The mortality in those three famines reached 2.5 million people. Worse yet was the
    great famine of 1876-1878 which covered almost all of South India in which between 6-
    10 million people perished.
    The question of famine was debated and the issue at the time was used by the anti-imperialists of the period as a political tool against the British government and its colonialist policy. Blaming opium for the famine in Iran could have been masqueraded criticism of the British administration of India and the enormous profits it made from opium there. Another possibility is that linking the famine to poppy cultivation in Iran was an attempt to divert the attention from the fact that grain continued to be exported out of Iran by British merchants even in the midst of the famine, thus contributing to the severity of the famine, and only local riots forced a release of this grain from storage at a fair price.105 There is of course no one British position on the questions of opium and imperialism, yet blaming opium production for the famine in Iran appears to be serving the interests of more than one side of that debate.]]
    The author of this document, Ram Baruch Regavim, who, like YOU, is pro British empire, is a Jewish pro colonists, is trying to push he reason behind the famine under the rug to exonerate the Evil British empire. He writes: “There is, of course, NO one British position on the question of Opium and imperialism”.
    Of course, as long as the Zionist jews and deniers of the British imperialism are concerned, they are giving us nothing but LIES and DECEPTION to hide the role of British empire and its influential agents, the Jewish Oligarch, then it is difficult to expose the role of Jewish mafia in the empire.
    The author claims, in 2012, that: the influence of the Sassoon family is NOT known yet, and Israel is trying to catalog Sassoon’s file.
    The author, Ram Baruch Regavim, goes on attacking Shahbazi: page 41
    [[More importantly, the prohibitive pass duty policy continued way into the late
    1880s and was certainly not removed by the alleged efforts of Mirza Hussein Khan
    Sepahsalar, as Shahbazi claims. Moreover, Shahbazi’s claims about the role of the
    Sassoon family in this affair make no sense at all. Indeed by the late 1860s the Sassoons
    did develop and expand their investments in Iran, including wholesale purchases of
    opium, but in the early 1850s the Sassoons were still struggling to gain power within the
    context of the Bombay trade community. The Sassoons trade empire was established on
    the enormous profits they made from trading in Malwa opium, thus the protectionist pass
    duty enacted by the Government of Bombay was acting in their favor, and they stood to
    gain nothing from it being cancelled.55 Moreover, although the Sassoon family wrote
    many letters requesting a reduction of the pass duty for Malwa opium in Bombay, letters
    extant in the archives of the British Government of India, not a single reference points to
    their alleged wish for the reduction of the prohibitive pass duty for non-Indian opium
    arriving by sea at Bombay.]]
    And on page 42, the author is telling us that wait until Israel finishes cataloging Sassoon’s business activity in the Opium trade’, then judge. He writes: Page 42
    [[Shahbazi’s conspiracy theories rely to some extent on the regretful lack of reliable sources about the Sassoon family. However, in recent years, the Sassoon papers, deposited in the Jewish National & University Library of Israel, are under a process of cataloging which will hopefully lead to a more serious research of this highly influential family in the future.]]
    And after ‘more serious research’ the Jewish mafia is circulating the following information in the zionist media to feed the public with good will of the “Jewish kings” in the Opium Trade.

    https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-the-rival-iraqi-jewish-clans-who-changed-the-face-of-shanghai-1.8999365

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  307. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Bulwark

    Islam has fcuked up their heads so much

    And what of your chrizzie spiritual gatekeepers, as they can’t have enough of their boy-buggering? A millennia old problem. What has “fcuked” up their heads?

    You whitevil mofers even seem to support these incorrigible perverts, when it comes to taking sides. You choose your “fathers” and “priests” over your own damned (the affected are, aren’t they?) children!!! What has “fcuked” up your heads?

    Could it be your Chrispaganity?! (that was rhetorical, you pagan godless mofer)

    Your accursed kind lives in glass houses. How exactly does a lowlife like you act as a “bulwark” against that?

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  308. jami says:

    This is another source for the role of the Jewish mafia in the “opium trade’ in the evil British empire:

    [No, you know, I don’t think so. When you talk to the families now, they’ll say, “We didn’t know it was that bad.” They knew it was bad. The Sassoons had to dismiss some of their Chinese employees because they were addicted to opium. Many of the Jewish families fought tooth and nail against banning opium. Opium was legal and used for medicinal purposes. Like people who sell cigarettes and alcohol, their feeling was that they were filling a need. They also looked upon the Chinese as being different from Westerners. They felt that the Chinese weren’t like us, so selling opium to the Chinese was seen as something that could be done. So there is a moral reckoning for selling this drug, even though the consequences for China were catastrophic. The Kadoories did not deal in opium, and are quite proud of that today; they are sensitive to how the Chinese will, even today, bring up the topic of opium sales.]

    This was posted in ‘forward’.

    https://forward.com/culture/442250/when-jews-were-kings-and-opium-lords-in-shanghai/

    When one reads these bullshits, then remember the zionist SACKLER family who collected billions of dollars selling OPIOD. Many lost their lives.

  309. anonymous[227] • Disclaimer says:
    @American Bulwark

    And you possess this thing called “Truth”?

    Rofl!

    You know what they say about “Opinions,” and by extension its close cousin, “Truth”? 😉

  310. anonyms says:
    @Malla

    How do you explain the Islamic conquests and rape of India?

    India was one of the richest in the world during Islamic rule.

    So, the “Islamic rape of India” certainly couldn’t have been worse as the Hindoo rape of India at present.

    You agree?

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Mehool Mehta
  311. jami says:
    @Malla

    The comment has entirely been copied and pasted here from PAGE 63 of the following link:

    https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1845&context=edissertations

    We were talking about Opium war in China and the criminal act of the British imperialism on destruction of china who had CONTROL over the trade using Sassoon family and its agents in many countries including India, Iran, Afghanistan and China.

    British empire’s policy is similar to American empire in other country. Invasion and destruction to gain profits to expand its influence to bring cash to develop itself. Both have caused destruction to many countries in the region.

    British Slavery trade and opium trade caused millions to die. This is the way these people ‘develop’ their countries, on expense of others. Today, India still is a colony.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  312. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    I read part of his book describing the languages of China, Japan, Germany, France, etc. which he claims as ‘feudalistic’. But I think his prognosis is incorrect because he relies too much on false premises. For example, he claims the English language is non-feudalistic because native English-speaking societies are egalitarian. That might be true of the USA which was founded as a Republic but that’s not true for England which has a long history and tradition of feudalism lasting to this day. How else can you describe the British Monarchy and the English Aristocracy if not as anything but feudalistic?

    I am not sure if he is being facetious or ironic about the feudalistic nature of South Indian rural society. But he reminds me of the Chinese writer Lu Xun whose book ‘Diary of a Madman’ painted the grotesque image of the semi-feudal and semi-colonial society of Republican China as akin to ‘cannibalism’ in spirit. Maybe that’s what VED intends to convey to his audience — that the feudalistic languages of South India encodes the ‘cannibalistic’ character of its feudalistic society.

    • Replies: @Malla
  313. anonyms says:
    @Rayaleast

    they believe their own mythology

    These dot-dindoos live in a hallucinatory world.

    They go gaga over mythologies which they are unable to prove ever existed. The Ramayan, the Mahabharat, etc. Fictional mythologies, with artificially contrived “heroes,” which are central to their religion. Without these stories their faith crumbles. So where is the proof of it all? The Shiva “god” who lives in the Himalayan range? Should be easy enough to find him then, yeah? Lol!

    More recently, there is this tendency to create unabashed fiction, and market it as some kind of historical reality. One such is the abomination of “Bahubali 1 & 2,” the movies. A humongous box-office hit. These dindoos are hungry to relive a non-existent glory.

    Other huge box-office successes are all about the picturization of their so-called folk heroes. The main theme of these movies is how the “heroes” beat the shit out of Muslim (and Christian) rulers.

    These dumbfucks can’t seem to take a moment to comprehend that if these so-called “heroes” were indeed so heroic, how come Islamic (and Christian) rule prevailed for over a thousand years? Can they imagine how many times non-dindoos beat the shit out of their dindoo “heroes”?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Mehool Mehta
  314. anonyms says:
    @American Bulwark

    Turks should be Christians like their Greek cousins and Pakis should be Hindus etc like their cousins in India

    Why? Not everybody has a hell-wish. You are welcome to the “privilege” of burning with your Christian and Dindoo friends. And, you will too!! 😀

    So, leave the Turks and Pakis out of it. Those of them who believe in true monotheism, surely, they spend every waking moment of their lives glorifying the Almighty One for that privilege.

    their Allah

    Since Allah SWT (God, the most glorified, the most high) is One, and only, “their Allah,” is everybody’s Allah. Unlike the pagan deity identifiers, such as, the Father-mangod, or the Son-mangod, or Shiva-mangod… Allah-God would be a tautology, and is what differentiates the former pagan polytheist faiths, and the latter true monotheism of Islam.

    When pagans refer to God, in the Singular form, they are actually referring to Allah SWT.

    You pagan\godless vermin always fail to comprehend that nuance.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  315. @anonymous

    Did Mo, your main man from the desert, really bed a nine year old? A pedophile as the head of any creed would produce followers that are bound to be all screwed up.

  316. @anonyms

    “You pagan\godless vermin always fail to comprehend that nuance.”

    A few posts back, I asked to verify a story I had heard about your main man but you never got back to me, so, I am going to retell it…

    On a moonless night, Mo told his little bride that he and his donkey were going to fly east in search of converts and he assured her that he would be back before the sunrise to make a woman out of her.

    But in effect, old goat was flying to find a pagan virgin to molest as was his practice every Friday night. Within an hour of his donkey taking off from the desert floor, it landed him next to the Indus River. A young Poonjabi girl had just come out of the river when the bugger tried defile her but she quickly grabbed her dagger and castrated him on the spot. He quickly picked his bleeding balls and and flew back to his tent in pain. Now seeing him made an eunuch, she decided that the donkey was the best bet to become a woman.

  317. anonyms says:
    @Malla

    The only thing which should matter to the present denizens of the world, is present reality. Past “greatness” of the Indian civilisation is irrelevant (just like the so-called Islamic “golden age” is for me), and so is the invention of the Zero, or their co-option of Algebra (no doubt I will get an elaborate history lesson here). This is why the whitevil race is totally justified in their exultation. Only, it won’t last for long.

    On the other hand, dot-dindoos preen a lot about their world CEOs, but have little to show in their own nation, which is still a third-world shithole. The only reason why the world patronises it is because of the huge market. The world sees the unwashed hordes and see dollar bills flying out of them. That includes the muslim Arabs/ CentralAsians/ Indonesians/ … too, the mofers, but its just business, right?! Fuck them all!

    The one Islamic Ummah may be dead, but long live true monotheist Islam! This is the only thing which matters!

    Most all muslim nations are also categorised as the third world, shitholes even, but many of them have a higher per-capita GDP than the only Dindoo majority nation on earth (is Nepal even counted for anything?). The ability to provide well for one’s own people should reflect the sense of self-respect felt in nations on all sides. Thus said GDP provides a decent gauge of a peoples’ self-respect. Go and chew on that asshole.

    Dindoos had a wonderful opportunity to showcase the “greatness” of their pagan civilisation, the only one of its kind, but have failed miserably. They can only exult vicariously due to the Pichais, Nadellas and the likes of them… which is pathetic. That, and live in the hallucinatory myths of the Ramayan, Mahabharat and Bahubali.

    The British will accept responsibility and self criticize (Westerners self criticize too much…

    …portray a perfect “innocent” history of themselves.

    Yes, unlike the “innocent” Westerners who had nothing to do with waging the world wars, plundering the poor everywhere, and more recently provoking Russia to do a Fuck-raine.

    Lol! No wonder you are known as the resident house-dotnigger around here.

  318. anonyms says:
    @American Bulwark

    Muslims and Pakis in particular, are a mendacious lot.

    Muslims proclaim…

    Say, “He is Allāh, [who is] One, Allāh, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”

    Non-muslims proclaim…

    “god” is 3 in 1, “god” begot himself as his son, “god” is man-like, “god” is a monkey man, “god” is an elephant-head man, “god” is represented by a (Shiva’s) phallus …

    Muslims are mendacious? Ahahahahaha!!!!

  319. anonyms says:
    @Malla

    My perspective…

    You are a whore of the whitevils, which makes your post ironic to say the least.

  320. @anonyms

    And here is mine…

    Indian ‘Malla’ is not beholden to anyone because he is fair in most of his assessments but whereas, I get the feeling that you’re definitely a whore of the sand niggas.

    • Thanks: Malla
  321. Kang says:
    @Malla

    Actually, that was rhetorical and meant to drive home the same point you are making. In response to his mouth frothing hate and revenge fantasies.

    So shove your sanctimony.

    But Iranians aa arrogant lot.

    • Replies: @Malla
  322. denk says:
    @Malla

    check out soviet ambassador

    gawd I hate broken record…

    Debunked many times already
    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/terror-from-balochistan-a-menacing-tool-to-disrupt-sino-pakistani-economics/#comment-5336027

    According to USAss ambassador…

    I’d take the word of a Nepalese nationalist over any gringo ambassador any time..

    From the horse mouth,
    Exhibit 1001

    as far as Washington is concerned, it outsourced its Nepal policy to New Delhi, in bid to lure Indians into the fold of strategic partnership.

    [1]

    The entire South Asia knows India is FUKUS sidekick , they dont call India the USAss of South Asia for nuthin u know , but malla would rather believe the honorable gringo ambassador

    unbelievable
    heheheh

    [1]
    https://web.archive.org/web/20080512021338/http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/JB23Df02.html.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Deep Thought
  323. @Malla

    Thanks – I learned a lot overnight 😀

    – Gandhi was evil because he backed the Khilafat who were Deobandi
    (= the same School as the Taliban) and thus anticolonial.
    – Nehru was evil because he tried to prohibit decent people from worshipping monkeys.
    – Tippu Sahib was evil because he forced decent people to worship carpets,
    and even invited foreigners to do the same.
    – Gandhi and Mustafa Kemal (!!!) were bad leaders because they treated their
    peoples like sheep by neglecting self-determination and kulchur; if however
    the carpet-worshippers want self-determination and kulchur that is evil too.
    – The Moplah Riots had clear class struggle overtones (my observation, not the
    speaker´s); the Malabar Hindus looked down on the Moplah (a term I had only
    known as some local kind of machete, obviously with the same connotations
    as the European Dussack i.e. dishonorable menial labor) and to the
    British for protection.

    The overall impression is one of schizo inferiority complex but large and
    fragile egos (the “17,000 years of unbroken civilization” claim is hilarious).
    The logical identification figure would be the Netanji but they seem a bit
    timid to go there.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
    , @Malla
  324. @nokangaroos

    “-Nehru was evil because he tried to prohibit decent people from worshipping monkeys.”

    Nehru was a brown monkey and Mao was a yellow monkey and a monkey follows a monkey, whereas Jinnah was a black donkey and Ataturk was a light skinned donkey and donkeys follow their master’s whip because that is the only discipline they know.

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Deep Thought
  325. @American Bulwark

    Seriously, we need us a

    ?????
    😛
    blblbl

    button.

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  326. Malla says:
    @Kang

    In response to his mouth frothing hate and revenge fantasies.

    The World is full of revenge fantasies. And I am not a Hindutva. 100% Anti-Hindutva actually.

  327. Malla says:
    @anonyms

    My perspective…
    You are personally everyone’s whore, common property, very long family tradition.
    You are shocked, I know. Exactly, how did I know all this? Am I KGB? Am I CIA? Is it magic?
    Lets keep that a mystery.

  328. @American Bulwark

    Nehru was a brown monkey and Mao was a yellow monkey

    We have the term “white skin pigs” for some kind of people! 😀 And their yellow house-niggers are called “yellow skin dogs.”

  329. @nokangaroos

    What you need is a swift kick in that yellow rump!

  330. Anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The idea of geopolitical “sepoy”, though seemingly meant as an affront to Indians (specifically), is actually a present concept of Anglo-American statecraft.

    There are Americans, of the more historical/geostrategic persuasion (yes, I am speaking of acquaintances in policy-making circles) who openly speak of the need to find 21st century “Sepoys” (the actual word they use).

    They wish to recruit and “convince” foreign elites and entire societies into serving Western interests, and for these foreigners to bear the brunt of the cost in blood and resources that any American/or European policies may entail.

    The whole crux of the concept is that these “Sepoys” would essentially be expendable fodder, whether elite (e.g Juan Guaido of Venezuela) or not (most of the Ukrainian armed forces). They would be flattered, praised, cajoled and bribed, but in the end, they would serve the West, who would always look down on them anyway. I have heard the Soviets of World War 2 referred to as “Sepoys”, doing the brunt of the work in defeating Germany, and sparing Britain and the United States the effort.

    I asked why anyone would TODAY serve another as master, and it was explained to me:

    For a number of reasons. One, many are brainwashed – by media, by Hollywood, by the colleges they attended in the U.S, in the U.K and in Europe, and so forth.

    Two, praise in the media and cajolery by professional diplomats is very effective against certain cultures (and VERY effective indeed in some parts of the world, for example against the Westernized elites of Central/South America, or say among British educated Arabs).

    And three: There will always be dupes, fools and outright self-interested traitors who will trade long-term loss for short-term gain – and the trick is concealing this fact from them (for the delusional), or playing on this cultural type (for the hard-core realist foreign assets).

    So in summary, I do not think most Chinese actually think Indians are “sepoys”, not in the actual sense of the term used in policy circles. It’s just that the word itself comes from the era of the British Raj in India – hence, the inevitable association.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Malla
  331. Malla says:
    @denk

    The entire South Asia knows India is FUKUS sidekick

    You mean, China’s sepoys in the region accuse India of being a sepoy, just like what their Chinese masters taught them to say. hehehe

    denki, why so shy about Vietnam? About Communist Vietnam getting closer to the West especially Australia? What is making them do this?
    About Kremlin heartbreak when they see their Chinese comrades frolicking aroud with Imperialist Capitalist power USA during Afghan War. Hehehe

  332. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    white + brown against yellow,
    From ENA to Google….

    Harris, Haley, Pichai..
    https://www.unz.com/aanglin/lloyd-austin-to-attack-china-if-they-annex-taiwan-first-time-in-us-history/?showcomments#comment-4971580

    FCC czar,
    Ajit Pai

    The Chinese Communist Party has a very determined world view. They want to dominate this space and exert their will — even beyond their own borders,” Pai said. “That is a serious threat not just to internet freedom but to national security for us and for many of our allies.”

    UK Home Secretary Patel Accuses ‘brazen’ China For Spying On Universities

    Political Editor July 17, 2020 7:25 pm Priti Patel is risking a new row with China after promising to open the door to millions of young Hong Kong residents who could be given the right to settle…

    tip of an iceberg

  333. denk says:
    @Malla

    countercurrents, wsw —> Commie websites, they will obviously not take India’s side.
    lankaweb–> hostiel towards India

    So you’r saying the Sri Lankans , Nepalese
    are lying about FUKUSIndia shenanigans in South Asia ?

    Short memory again …

    Posters DB Cooper and denk have many posts on this subjects and most of them are true.

    https://www.unz.com/estriker/international-finances-anti-china-crusade/?showcomments#comment-3828001

    What about VN AND USSR

    broken record aint u, ?

    • Replies: @Malla
  334. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Thank you for your good post.

    There are Americans, of the more historical/geostrategic persuasion (yes, I am speaking of acquaintances in policy-making circles) who openly speak of the need to find 21st century “Sepoys” (the actual word they use).

    What you say might be right but India chose to ally with the USA out of its own will. It may be a bad decision, we will find out. I personally am very weary of the U.S. elite.

    They wish to recruit and “convince” foreign elites and entire societies into serving Western interests,

    In India, it is the nationalist masses who are anti-China (maybe wrongly) not only the elites.
    And as far as Sepoys, Indians believe , India’s iony neighbours like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal etc… are Chinese sepoys and are being used by China as cannon fodder against India.

    I have heard the Soviets of World War 2 referred to as “Sepoys”, doing the brunt of the work in defeating Germany, and sparing Britain and the United States the effort.

    Do you have any original proof of this? Any original reference. The way I see it is the Westerners, gave away half of Europe to the Soviets against the will of the people living there. Attlee, the PM of Britain even banned the Poles (who had heroically fought against the Germans) in the victory parade in Britain when his Soviet masters complained. Britain forcibly sent Soviet POWs (who did not want to go back to the USSR) to Stalin. The U.S. Government was full of Soviet agents like Alger Hiss and Harry Dexler White. BTW, was China the Wests’s sepoy in its war with Japan? China was in the same camp of the West against Asian Japan. “Noooo”, screams the Chinese, “Japan invaded us so we built Strategic partnership with USA and allies”. Same during the Soviet Afghan war, when the Chinese had a partnership with the USA against the USSR (India was in the same camp as the USSR), wuz the China USA’s sepoy? The Soviets angrily accused China of collaborating with the USA leading to Soviet deaths in Afghanistan. “Noooooo” scream the Chinese, “we had no choice, we were afraid of Afghanistan affecting security in Xinjiang”. So the Chinese have their reasons to ally with the USA when it suits them but the smelly Hindoos cannot do it. India has its own strategic fears of China, Chinese Pakistani relations, border dispute with China, it had similar fears of Taliban coming to power in Afghanistan leading to problems in Kashmir (for good reason, One Indian airlines was hijacked and went to Kabul in the past, please tell me Pakistan was not involved.). But if India makes similar alliances with the USA or the Afghan Government, it is whore, it is sepoy. This shows a racist attitude towards Indians, it seems Chinese look down upon Indians, Indians can only be sepoys, proud Han can only be strategic partner of the West. Indians need Chinese direction when dealing with West but China can make its own decisions w.r.t the West. China can be pro-Westa and anti-West by its own free will, Curry smelly Indians cannot. More it seems like China looks down upon India.

    They would be flattered, praised, cajoled and bribed, but in the end, they would serve the West, who would always look down on them anyway.

    How is it that they look down upon them while allowing millions of them to go to their country, become citizens and succeed. Who would Indians think, “look down upon them” in between the USA and China? The USA which allows Indian talent to got the USA and become richer than most Americans or a China which does not allow Indians to migrate and become citizens of China?

    Also Indians (rightly or wrongly) think that China does not want India to become a rival power in Asia. And in between the USA and China, India does not have a border dispute with the USA nor has it fought a war with the USA (came close in 1971 but the USSR prevented it). Indians believe that the USA too will stop the rise of India but that is much later, China will do it now.
    Now the Chinese speak of win-win, so maybe the Chinese side does not have such intentions. Interestingly it is Communist China which is trying to show that it is not a zero sum game, while Marxist thought was based on zero sum games and the Americans are acting like the World is a zero sum game.

    My take is this. India is not a sepoy, it has made a strategic partnership with the USA on its own free will with its security concerns in mind. Vietnam is doing the same. But it is in the interest of the Chinese side to portray India as sepoy to itself, to the World (especially the Third World) and to Indians themselves. To itself because how can a revolutionary Chinese Party explain to itself and its people that a billion poor third world Indians look at them as an enemy? To escape all possible blame of conduct. India uses the same trick against India’s pro-Chinese neighbours (Nepal, Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan), calling them sepoys of China and thus trying to escape any introspection of India’s behaviour towards them in the past. To the Third World, to reduce India’s prestige. To Indians, to shame Indians and shape Indian behaviour towards Chinese interests. But because Chinese propaganda does not make it into India much 99% of Indians do not know this sepoy accusation and if they came to know this , they would burst out laughing and immediately understand the Chinese trick. The Indian masses (like most Third World masses) are very cunning and shrewd (compared to our Westernised elites who are cunning too but are still a bit naive) and will see through CCP cunning propaganda very easily. Before 1962, the CCP dealt with Westernised Nehru, if it would have dealt with a street level cunning Indian like Patel, it would have found a much more difficult customer to deal with. And for your information, the Westernised elites have lost power, Modi may have connections with some big Governments but today’s government represents the thuggish, macho Nationalist masses more than in the past.

    Now do not get me wrong, I support India and China become allies and I mistrust the US elites more than Chinese CCP elites. I think, India should have equal relations with both USA and China, good relations with both so that India benefits from both. Especially trade. My personal opinion is India stay out of this coming Cold War just like it tried to do during the earlier Cold War via the Non Aliened Movement which was a farce as India was really a Soviet Satellite state. But India had no option because Pakistan was so close to the USA. But the chance of good relations with China was destroyed during 1962, when China back-stabbed pro-CCP Nehru, the CCP did exactly that , “who will trade long-term loss for short-term gain.” Made China an enemy in the minds 100s of millions of Indians.

    Lets get this straight in your head, just because China is Communists and sees itself as revolutionaries fighting Western Imperialists, it does not impress the 1 billion strong Indian masses. Indians look at themselves as Revolutionaries too fighting Western imperialism, Islamic Terrorism and Chinese Imperialism. It is just that they think an alliance with the West makes more sense with a rising China. Indian Nationalists look towards Communism as foreign and a type of Colonialism. Why this is so, will need a different post.

  335. Malla says:
    @denk

    Denki write kilometres of bullshit but always avoid talking about present new Communist Vietnamese alliance with the West (because of concerns with China). Vietnamese so pissed with China that the Communist Vietnamese who fought like lions in jungle against Imperialist Muricans/Ozzies etc..and make them bleed now make alliance with Australian intelligence (in other words, 5 eyes). Why Communist Vietnamese do this? Who cause this?
    Denki write kilometres of bullshit but avoids talking about Chinese sepoy behaviour towards Imperialist Capitalist Murica against brother Comrade Soviets in the Soviet Afghan wars. Comrade Soviets were going in to save the Afghan Communist Government but Communist China became loving sepoys of Imperialist Capitalist USA and stopped the spread of “revolution of the proletariat” in that area!!! What kind of weird Communist are these?
    Marx turning in his grave but instead of feeling guilty, Communist Chinese send Chinese state electricity company to put wire windings around Marx’s rotating dead body, put a Chinese magnet and creating electricity and selling electricity for profit. hehehe
    Denki, why so shy?

    • Replies: @denk
  336. Malla says:
    @anonyms

    India was one of the richest in the world during Islamic rule.

    India was already very rich before the Islamic invasions of India, you moron. But per capita income was low and the common people lived like crap compared to Europe and China during British rule. All travelers talk about extreme poverty and misrule just before the British conquests
    If you are talking about Indian share of GDP, it actually fell after the Islamic conquests. Hinduvadis blame Muslims for this but actually this happened because of the slight rise of productivity in the West during the 11th-12th centuries.

    • Replies: @Malla
  337. denk says:
    @Malla

    My take is this. India is not a sepoy, it has made a strategic partnership with the USA on its own free will

    Not sepoy, not proxy, how about ..
    pardner in crimes ?

    According to unblemished sources in Kathmandu, the king and his family were quickly dispatched by a Nepali army commando unit trained at the time by U.S. Special Operations forces sent by U.S. Pacific Commander in Chief Adm. Dennis Blair (he’s the same guy who propped up Gen. Wiranto with special training while the good general was committing genocide in East Timor). What was to become the Pentagon’s Office of Strategic Influence (PSYOPs division) prepared a story, with the assistance of India’s Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) intelligence agency, that the King and his family were murdered as a result of the Crown Prince going nuts with automatic weapons after being forlorn over his mother’s refusal to allow him to marry a commoner.

    https://mronline.org/2002/09/21/comparisons-between-recent-u-s-backed-coups/

    with its security concerns in mind.

  338. @denk

    I like your “India is FUKUS sidekick” line, which mirrors Mallie’s jap-fetishism nicely. It is also entertaining to see Mallie’s frustrating response to it. 😀

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @denk
  339. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    You’re misrepresenting China’s support of the anti-Soviet Mujahideen rebels in Afghanistan as acting on behalf of US Imperialism in Central Asia. China was part of a multi-national coalition of Muslim countries, led by Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan, which provided financial and political support to the Mujahideen. China’s role was to provide the Chinese-made weapons, delivered to the Mujahideen rebels in Pakistan, where they were trained by the CIA in cooperation with the ISI. Even Osama Bin Laden, one of the Saudi heirs to the Bin Laden construction fortune, moved to Pakistan to help fight the Mujahideen. So the anti-Soviet jihad wasn’t just a US-China alliance vs the USSR thing as you claim it to be but a US-China-Saudi-Iran-Pakistan coalition against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

    But China had been estranged from the USSR following the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split which eventually led to the 1969 Sino-Soviet border war. A year before that war, China had condemned the 1968 Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia which saw the first implementation of the Brezhnev Doctrine, the same doctrine which justified the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, more than a decade later. Contrary to your claims, China already had ideological issues and border conflicts with the USSR after the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split, long before joining the multi-national coalition supporting the Mujahideen rebels against the USSR in 1979.

    After the Soviet troops withdrew from Afghanistan, Deng patched up his differences with Gorbachev in 1989. China later became the biggest buyer of Russian-made weapons throughout the 1990s and 2000s. By then, the USA had begun its ‘War on Terror’ after 9-11 which targeted Muslim countries including Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Afghanistan. China didn’t support any of those US imperialist wars which included its longest foreign war to date against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

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    , @antibeast
    , @Malla
  340. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    One more thing, China had every right to feel threatened by the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan which sits right next door to Xinjiang. The USSR had supported the Uyghur secessionists — twice in the past —during the Republican Era when the KMT Armies led by the Hui Muslims fought against the Soviet Union in Xinjiang. In fact, Soviet Turcologists invented ‘East Turkestan’ as early as the 1920s which has been appropriated by Western Imperialists against China.

  341. Malla says:
    @jami

    Jewish pro colonists, is trying to push he reason behind the famine under the rug to exonerate the Evil British empire. He writes: “There is, of course, NO one British position on the question of Opium and imperialism”.

    Bullshit, he referenced, Okazaki, “The Great Persian Famine, Famines have been taking place in persia much before Opium.

    Famines have been reported throughout Persian history by numerous authors and observers. According to a compilation made by Charles Melville, they occurred in Khorasan in 115/733 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Sīstān in 220/835 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Khorasan and Sīstān in 400/1009-10 AD (Melville, p. 136), in Khorasan in 1099 AD (Melville, p. 136), in Kermān in 576/1180 AD and 662/1264 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Fārs in 683-85/1284-66 AD and 698/1299 AD (Melville, p. 130), in Yazd in 858/1454 AD (Melville, p. 130), and throughout Persia in 1870-72 AD (Melville p. 130), 1929-30 AD (Melville, p. 138), and 1948-49 AD (Melville, pp. 138-39). To these should be added the years 735/1335 AD sqq. (Aubin, pp.131-32), 1226/1811 AD (Morier, I, p. 170), 1232/1817 AD (Johnson, I, pp.195-97), 1277/1861 AD (Brugsch, II, pp. 307, 364-65 and passim), 1296/1879 AD(Wilson) and “the beginning of the 20th century” (Malcolm, pp. 233, 235-36). However, this enumeration probably remains very incomplete as more or less recurrent episodes of famine have plagued various parts of Persia until the middle of the 20th century. “Hardly a year passes in which there is not a famine in some province of Persia,” wrote a European observer in the beginning of the 20th century (Chirol, p. 97). These famines have had spectacular and terrifying aspects: people eating weeds (Morier, I, p. 170, near Persepolis; Bellew, pp. 427, 432) or unearthing roots (between Isfahan and Kāšān; Morier, I, pp. 195, 197); multitudes of beggars and skeletons roaming the city and village streets (Brittlebank, pp. 95-8, 137, 141; Bellew, pp. 333, 339-40, 412, 429, 433, 435, 448); corpses not buried, devoured by dogs, on the roads, in villages and even cities (Brittlebank, pp. 169, 180, 191; Bellew, pp. 396, 432; Bassett, p. 72); skeletons and bones abandoned in villages (Bassett, p. 127); or on the roads (Bellew, pp. 354, 421; to such an extent that this traveler, a British physician with an interest in anthropology, picked up a skeleton completely stripped of flesh and intact), or still scattered in vineyards, where people had died of exhaustion eating vine leaves (Bellew, pp. 434-45); graves hurriedly dug on the side of roads (Bellew, p. 342); fresh cemeteries marked out at the gate of cities (Bellew, p. 437; in Kermānšāh); even reports of cannibalism, mentioned in the 14th century C.E. in Azerbaijan (Aubin, pp. 131-32 with sources; Āmolī, ed. Ḵalīlī, p. 138; ed. Sotūda, p. 204; Ebn Bazzāz, p. 305), and also in Mašhad, in 1871, where parents are reported to have eaten their own children (Smith, p. 361).

    Causes. The territories of Persia and Afghanistan comprise vast, desertic or semi-desertic, regions where the natural variation in precipitation is considerable (see BĀRĀN). Rain water agriculture, which provides an important part of the food resources, is thus especially vulnerable. Drought is obviously the most frequent cause of famine, as was the case in several of the famines mentioned by Melville (p. 130). Unusually rigorous winters on the high Iranian plateau can have the same effects as happened in Khorasan, Sīstān, and the central plateau in 400/1009-10; Khorasan in 492/1099; and Isfahan in 1929-30 (Melville, pp. 136, 138). Both factors can also combine, with the succession of a dry summer by a harsh winter especially to be feared, as in the great famine of 1869-72 or Sīstān in 1949-50 (Melville, pp. 147-48). Other natural, more episodic, causes have been reported, such as the locust invasion of 1890 in Qara Dāḡ (Wilson, p. 168).

    Equally as much can be attributed, however, to human causes (Gilbar, p. 135), which have been aggravating factors to climatic disasters. Changes in the modes of culture, such as the preference given to the opium poppy over cereals, could have had some effect (Wilson, p. 168, for 1879). Neglect in the development and maintenance of the irrigation system during periods of weak administrations has certainly played a role. Above all, the absence of, or great difficulty with, transportation until the middle of the 20th century, has been a determining factor. Speculation by merchants, large land owners, and even government officials and members of the clergy, who did not hesitate to monopolize grain, should also be blamed. Toward the end of the 19th century the governor of Tehran and several high ranking members of the court had thus caused an increase in the price of bread by provoking an artificial shortage. It was only when the supply of the Cossack Brigade was affected that its leader, general Kosogowsky, ordered the barriers that had been raised around the capital to prevent the arrival of grain torn down (Chirol, p. 97).

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  342. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    Even Osama Bin Laden, one of the Saudi heirs to the Bin Laden construction fortune, moved to Pakistan to help fight the Mujahideen.

    Correction: Osama Bin Laden … moved to Pakistan to help the Mujahideen fight the Soviets.

  343. Malla says:
    @nokangaroos

    The Moplah Riots had clear class struggle overtones (my observation, not the speaker´s); the Malabar Hindus looked down on the Moplah (a term I had only known as some local kind of machete, obviously with the same connotations as the European Dussack i.e. dishonorable menial labor) and to the British for protection.

    Your “observation” is basically Marxist bullshit as they are trying to make the whole thing into a class struggle. Since this was a major rift in between Hindus and Muslims, they are trying to put a twist of class Struggle. And this can be debunked with the simple fact that the Hindu community the Mopplah Muslims attacked was twice the population of Muslims. How can population of landlords be twice that of tenant?
    Up on the mountains overlooking the Malabar coast of Southernmost India, among a population of about two million Hindus, lived a people known as the Moplahs, descendants of old Arab traders. The Moplahs, themselves numbered about a million people.
    But, zealot Muhammadans, they have ever been prone to outbreaks of religious passion in which their one desire is to be sent to Paradise by a bullet or a knife, first having piled up the longest possible list of non-believers dead by their hands.
    Among these simple creatures, in the year of disorders 1921, the Kalifat Movement above indicated sent emissaries preaching a special edition of its doctrines. (Indian/ British Raj) Government’s hand, these proclaimed, was raised against the holy places of Islam. Government was “Satanic,” an enemy of the Faith. Government must and would be driven out of India and that right soon. Swaraj (self rule) must be set up.

    From mosque to mosque, from hamlet to hamlet, from coconut grove to coconut grove, the fiery words passed. And, whatever meaning they might bear for an abstract philosopher, to the simple Moplah, as, in those miserable years, to so many millions of simple Hindus all over the land, they meant just what they said–War.

    But, the point that Mr. Gandhi missed, whatever the humorous Ali brothers may privately have thought about it, was this: Swaraj, to a Moplah, could only mean the coming of the earthly Kingdom of Islam, in which, whatever else happened or failed to happen, no idol-worshiping Hindu could be tolerated alive.

    So the Moplahs, secretly and as best they could, made store of weapons–knives, spears, cutlasses. And on August 20, 1921, the thing broke loose. As if by a preliminary gesture of courtesy to the sponsors of the occasion, one European planter was murdered at the start. But without further dissipation of energy the frenzied people then concentrated on the far more congenial task of communal war. First blocking the roads, cutting the telegraph wires and tearing up the railway lines at strategic points, thereby isolating the little police stations scattered through the mountains, they set to work, in earnest and in detail, to establish a Muslim Kingdom and to declare a Swaraj after their own hearts.

    Their Hindu neighbors, though outnumbering them two to one, seem to have stood no chance against them. The Hindu women, as a rule, were first circumcised–• “forcibly converted,” as the process is called–and were then added to Moplah families. The Hindu men were sometimes given the choice of death or “conversion,” sometimes flayed alive, sometimes cutlassed at once and thrown down their own wells. In one district, the Ernad Taluk, over nine hundred males were “forcibly converted” and the work spread on through the mountain-slopes.

    The muslims attacked and took control of police stations, British government offices, courts and government treasuries. And after that attack was then directed against Hindu community. Hindus were killed women and even little girls raped places of worship gutted in fire. Forceble conversion of Hindus was started and women were abducted. The muslims officially declared that reign of Tipu’s Islamic sultanate has returned. About 10,000 Hindus were officially killed but most probably it is an undercount.At the time, the Indian National Congress remained silent turning blind eye against autocracies of Muslims.

    As rapidly as possible police and troops were thrown into the country, by whose work, after six months of trying service, the disorders were quelled. But not until some three thousand Moplahs had cast away their lives, without reckoning the Hindus they accounted for, not until much property had been destroyed and many families ruined, and not until a long list of prisoners awaited trial for guilt that certainly belonged on heads higher than theirs.
    Meantime, the circumcised male Hindus wandered up and down the land calling upon their brethren to take warning.
    A trained American observer, agent of the United States Government, chanced to be in the region at the time. His statement follows:
    “I saw them in village after village, through the south and east of Madras Presidency. They had been circumcised by a peculiarly painful method, and now, in many cases, were suffering tortures from blood poisoning. They were proclaiming their misery, and calling on all their gods to curse Swaraj and to keep the British in the land. ‘Behold our miserable bodies! We are defiled, outcasted, unclean, and all because of the serpents who crept among us with their poison of Swaraj. Once let the British leave the land and the shame that has befallen us will assuredly befall you also, Hindus, men and women, every one.’
    “The terrors of hell were literally upon them.
    “And the Brahman priests were asking one hundred to one hundred and fifty rupees a head to perform the purification ceremony which alone could save the poor creatures’ souls.
    The price which the Brahmans now set upon their services was, to most of the needy, prohibitive. Their distress was so desperate that British officials, for once interfering in a religious matter, interceded with the Brahmans and persuaded them, in view of the large number concerned, to accept a wholesale purification fee of not over twelve rupees a head.”

    This incident shocked the Hindus, and this incident in the Indian state of Kerala in Southern India was the main cause of birth of Hindutva organization RSS hundreds of miles away in Nagpur (Central India) by Hindus who felt the pain of Hindus of Kerala. But a young serious Hindu man far away from Malabar was watching closely but helplessly watching the helplessness of Hindus. He realized as you said, that the Islamic World was huge and at least compared to Hindus had far more unity. But this man, Dr. Keshav Baliram Pant Pantulu Hedgewar would remain silent and think hard. He along with just few men would eventually start a tiny organization which will fight for Hindus anywhere. And this organization was the RSS. That tiny RSS became larger and larger with time until that Hindu Fundamentalist RSS now rules and literally reigns supreme in India.
    This mega fracturing in Hindu Muslim relations (which was never good but not THIS BAD) would eventually play its own part in leading to the future partition of India into India and Pakistan. The rise of the RSS actually raised eye brows among the Muslim elites of India including Mr Jinnah, the father of Pakistan.

  344. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    You’re misrepresenting China’s support of the anti-Soviet Mujahideen rebels in Afghanistan as acting on behalf of US Imperialism in Central Asia.

    Defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan was part of US global strategy. China was part in it for its own interests (Xinjiang-Wakhan corridor). Similarly India joins the USA for its own interests and not to support US Imperialism.

    China was part of a multi-national coalition of Muslim countries, led by Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan,

    India is becoming part of a lose multi-national coalition including Vietnam, Japan, Australia, South Korea etc…
    Some of the neighbours of India (Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar, Pakistan etc..) are getting closer to China for their own interests, not to support “Chinese Imperialism” as some Indian Nationalists accuse them of. Nations make decisions based on their own interests.

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  345. Malla says:
    @Deep Thought

    Your stupid comment shows, who is obsessed with whom, out of frustration. LMFAO. Keep up your antics.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
  346. denk says:
    @Deep Thought

    Everybody this part of world knows it, even some anglo, except malla the ‘indian’ 😉

    They are building an alliance that is bound to alarm the Chinese, who cannot fail to see it as directed against them. There is absolutely no evidence for aggressive Chinese intentions towards India or anywhere in South Asia, but Washington and New Delhi are laying the foundations for a new Cold War in Asia.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20181220180456/http://www.island.lk:80/2006/03/01/features7.html

    • Thanks: Deep Thought
  347. @Malla

    “In India, it is the nationalist masses who are anti-China (maybe wrongly) not only the elites.
    And as far as Sepoys, Indians believe , India’s iony neighbours like Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal etc… are Chinese sepoys and are being used by China as cannon fodder against India.”

    Don’t worry about those pissants! After we destroy China for attacking Taiwan (we’ll provoke them to it … dumb bastards) your country can take back all four of those countries. Hell! You can even have the Maldives, so long as you don’t question our rights to Diego García.

    • Replies: @Malla
  348. denk says:
    @Malla

    malla the one trick pony

    what about USSR AND VN

    ad nauseam,.

    USSR..
    There was a honeymoon bet Soviet/China but eventually they parted way, apparently due to ideological difference ,.
    USAss saw the chance and offered ‘friendship’, CCP welcomed the USAss nuclear umbrella to counter a hostile USSR.
    But when the Nixon/KIssinger clique goaded Beijing to attack India , CCP rejected it outright.
    USAss/China pardnership eventually fall out cuz China refuse to be anglo sepoy,
    Otoh, India has been serving as FUKUS sepoy ever since ENA until this very day.

    Everybody knows that mALLa the ‘indian; is UNZ resident whiteman apologist, so you’r indian sepoy personified. 😉

    VN…
    VN had historical grievance against China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijig today, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USAss.

    BUt pray tell,
    Whats the elephant’s excuse with three legs STILL planted in NAATO ?

    Whats your beloved jp rationale for joing the asian nato which you have been carping with glee ?

    Come to think of it, why do your beloved anglophone family harbor this irrational hatred on chinaman ?

    • Replies: @Malla
  349. Malla says:
    @Malla

    But per capita income was low and the common people lived like crap compared to Europe and China during British rule.

    during Islamic* rule.

  350. Malla says:
    @anonyms

    With attitudes like this, with such attitudes many Muslims have towards Hindus, does one have to be surprised about the rise of the Hindutva movement? Check out the tone of this guy’s writings about Hinduism and these guys ruled over Hindus for 8 centuries and he is telling me they did not destroy Hindu temples? LOL.

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  351. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Defeating the Soviets in Afghanistan was part of US global strategy. China was part in it for its own interests (Xinjiang-Wakhan corridor). Similarly India joins the USA for its own interests and not to support US Imperialism.

    The US strategy was to support the Muslim Mujahideen in their Jihad against Soviet troops in Afghanistan while China’s role was to supply Chinese-made weapons to the Muslim Mujahideen who came from all over the Muslim World including Saudis like Osama Bin Laden. Contrary to your claim that China conspired with the USA against the USSR, the multi-national coalition was led by Muslim countries — Saudi Arabia, Iran and Pakistan — but supported by the USA and armed by China. Both the USA and China never fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan while the Muslim Mujahideen did all the fighting.

    India is becoming part of a lose multi-national coalition including Vietnam, Japan, Australia, South Korea, etc.

    As a vassal State under US military occupation, Japan would do anything the US tells them to do. South Korea has so far refused to join any anti-China bloc while Vietnam is a fence-sitter which has problematic relationships with all of its Southeast Asian neighbors. Australia is an English-speaking Western country with racial/ethnic ties to the Yanks which makes it a natural ally of the USA. But China is not in a State of War with any of those countries nor is China engaged in any kind of ideological or geopolitical competition with them, all of whom have joined and ratified the RCEP. That makes India the odd man out, with hardly anything in common with any of those countries, none of whom have any outstanding issues with China.

    Only India has a beef with China. But where’s the beef?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  352. Malla says:
    @denk

    Denki, the pony who shy from certain uncomfortable facts.

    There was a honeymoon bet Soviet/China but eventually they parted way, apparently due to ideological difference ,.
    USAss saw the chance and offered ‘friendship’, CCP welcomed the USAss nuclear umbrella to counter a hostile USSR.
    But when the Nixon/KIssinger clique goaded Beijing to attack India , CCP rejected it outright.
    USAss/China pardnership eventually fall out cuz China refuse to be anglo sepoy

    China backstab a pro-China India in 1962 and since then they not very good relations. CCP backstab its Indian sepoy (India was so full of anti-colonialism mentality and such amazing Global South/ Post Colonial dreams in those days, CCP brought them to reality) and Awesome India not trust China ever again. NEVER AGAIN, cried out the Indians in unison (except few traitors)
    USA saw the chance and offered ‘friendship’, Awesome India collaborated after 1962 in a low key way but India remain ally of USSR. China and Pakistanass do homo loving like two filthy pigs, both write love poems to each other, full of hatred of Awesome India, soon Pakistanass became China’s official bitch and both the lovers could be seen everywhere and their disgusting PDA, yuck. To anger Awesome India, they do more kissing and other homo-hanky panky stuff infront of India. Pakistanass officially and proundly become Sino-sepoy (and more oohhh lala) against Awesome India. USAss again see the chance and offered ‘freindship’, Awesome India take friendship to make coalition club (our high end club include members like Vietnam, Japan, Australia and club membership growing very fast thanks to Wolf warriors howling all the time) so that Awesome India can counter unholy, ungodly alliance of hostile Pakistanass and China.
    But when Sleepy Joe Biden/Ugly dragon woman Kamala goaded Awesome India to break links with Mother Russia, India rejected in outright. Just like when USA approach Nehru in 1950s to help in their CIA Tibet plan against CCP, Nehru, the dumb CCP sepoy, rejected it outright.
    Just like how the USA/China relations “fell apart” (LOL USA brought China into WHO) when the mighty USSR collapsed, once China stops being a threat to Awesome India (and Indians now are convinced that the only possible way that will ever happen is after the liberation of Tibet, so that backstabber hostile China moves far away from their borders) USA/Awesome India pardnership will eventually fall out cuz Awesome India refuse to be Anglo sepoy. Pakistan different case, the ease with which Pakistanass earlier become Murican-sepoy and now become Sino-sepoy against India is simply amazing.
    Pakistanass to China before sucking Sino dick, “Our worship for you, my masta, is taller than mountain, deeper than Ocean (oooh real deep), spicier than curry, fatty like pork belly’.
    Murica to China, “don’t do it mate, the bitch gave me some weird disease, it is painful to pee”. But China was so full of lust and love (and jealousy and hatred for Awesome India), it not listen. Now even China pee painful, and pain will increase in future. Pepe Escobar will write about it in future, about Sino pee pain, ,…in that area.

    Everybody knows that mALLa the ‘indian; is UNZ resident whiteman apologist, so you’r indian sepoy personified. 😉

    Malla also supported China in the past, so is Malla Sino sepoy? Will Wumaos here backstab Malla like how CCP backstab their Indian sepoy Nehru? After going through Nehru case study, I stopped being Sino sepoy.

    VN…
    VN had historical grievance against China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijig today, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USAss.

    IN
    Awesome India was backstabbed in 1962 so has grievance against & mistrust of China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijing, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USA.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @antibeast
  353. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    ratified the RCEP. That makes India the odd man out,

    India did not ratify RCEP (rightly or wrongly) because it feared, competition with China and South East Asian manufacturing and a possible flood of foreign goods into India making India’s balance of payment situation worse. There was massive pressure on the Government by the Indian manufacturing lobbies against it, they wanted protectionism. India is also a amjor milk/dairy producing and consuming market very similar to other Caucasoids. In this India had a conflict of interests with the two other Caucasoid countries in the pact (made up mostly of Mongoloid countries), Australia and New Zealand. The powerful and influential Indian dairy Industry lobbies were scared of Australian and New Zealand dairy products flooding the Indian market. and thus put pressure against it in the Indian government. So I am not saying that India not joining RCEP, was a good move for sure, one never knows. The Westernised elites and Middle Classes WANTED Australian and New Zealand Dairy to enter the Indian market as 70% of Indian milk is adulterated but it could have been a disaster for millions of poor Indian dairy farmers.
    India was still ready to give access to its big market (and allow more efficient East Asian/ ANZAC competitors) if the countries of the East are ready to take in Indian IT and banking professionals. Recently the UK and India signed a major trade deal and the UK gave many Visa concessions to Indian professionals. But the East Asians who claim Whitey supposedly looks “down upon smelly Hindooo” would not accept to allow Indian professionals in their labout markets. There has been a big backlash in Singapore against fresh off the boat Indian professionals for obvious reasons and against allowing too many Indian migrants into Singapore (personally I understand). When rebuked on this front, India refused to sign the RCEP because it did not perceive any benefit in the deal. Will China allow millions of Indian IT/ banking professionals? Maybe make their possible citizenship in China possible? China can change everything if it allows Indian professionals in large numbers and eventually allow them Chinese citizenship. If China is so concerned about India in the RCEP, it can take these steps and India would join in. India has large number of unemployed, if Chinese imports makes things worse by killing inefficient Indian Industries, China should help by taking in some of the excess labour pool from India. China is facing a falling demographics while India will still grow for some time more reaching 1.8 billion before leveling off. Both India and China can help each other.
    India can export its excess labour to China which will face a demographic tightening and China could use the extra Asians. We all know that Indians who go to China become pro-China very fast after their experience with Chinese people and seeing the development in China. This will increase pro-Chinese Indians who will play a big part in changing perceptions back home (if the Indian nats do not call them traitors and bootlickers that is)

    • Replies: @antibeast
  354. denk says:
    @Malla

    But the chance of good relations with China was destroyed during 1962, when China back-stabbed pro-CCP Nehru, the CCP did exactly that ,

    Except..

    Our idiot Indian Govt in 1962 lied to us about China and idiots here believe “China wants to keep uz down”. Until our Govt comes out in the open and tells us the truth about 1962, nothing will happen. But our Govt would lose massive face in doing so. That is where lies leads you at the end, to radioactive shitting in radioactive fields.
    When our soldiers surrendered to the PLA in 1962, they were treated very well, well fed and medical care taken care off, in those days China itself was an impoverished nation. Guess what, our Govt prevented these facts to be known to our people.

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/india-implodes-its-own-new-silk-road/?showcomments#comment-4162305

    note that our position have been consistent, but malla seems to be flip flopping every other day.

    • Replies: @Malla
  355. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The US strategy was to support the Muslim Mujahideen…..Both the USA and China never fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan while the Muslim Mujahideen did all the fighting.

    The Soviets thought differently

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/233069936_China%27s_Response_to_the_Soviet_Invasion_of_Afghanistan

    the Soviets had charged China with being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA.
    Collusion with the USA!!! Hmmmm. With Imperialist Capitalist USA!!!!

    And what wuz so called “Western-sepoy” India doing?
    https://www.rbth.com/history/331147-india-ussr-friendship
    4 signs India was USSR’s best friend in Asia by Oleg Yegorov

    India turned out to be the real comrades at the end, till the end.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  356. denk says:
    @Malla

    Awesome India was backstabbed in 1962 so has grievance against & mistrust of China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijing, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USA

    Ever heard of the Henderson file ?
    bharat commissioned Col Henderson to audit the 1962 debacle, but why’s it withheld from publication until this day …something to hide ?

    The report is a dry army operations review, its terms of reference narrowed to military preparedness to insulate the civilian leadership from a witch hunt. But the authors still manage to make a scathing implicit attack on top civilian and military authorities.

    In particular, they rip into the so-called “forward policy” pushed by the Nehru government, under which Indian troops were told to advance from their existing positions to stake out new territory and force out the Chinese.

    The report details how this brinkmanship was forced down the throats of ground commanders despite their repeated warnings about reversing the border’s status quo without sufficient preparation. Such moves, they said, were bound to provoke the Chinese.

    shades of Ukraine, or TW ?

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/neville-maxwell-discloses-document-revealing-that-india-provoked-china-into-1962-border-war.678895/

  357. Malla says:
    @denk

    note that our position have been consistent, but malla seems to be flip flopping every other day.

    Consistent lies vs Malla the wise, who became even more wise, Denki
    The road to greater wisdom Malla took was not in some private jet, Denki, no no nooo Not in some Porsche or even a simple bicycle, Denki. Malla walked the road to greater wisdom in simple……… flipflops.
    Flipflops made in China, Denki, yeah, a flipflop manufactured by past Chinese “actions”. hehehehe

    So I write in my earlier post “Malla also supported China in the past, so is Malla Sino sepoy?”
    And Denki, gets a new cunning plan, poor Denki works overtime goes through my humongous archives to fish out my earlier comments to use against me. hehehe Nice move. Totally useless but nice.

    They are building an alliance that is bound to alarm the Chinese, who cannot fail to see it as directed against them.

    After China and Pakistanass built an (deep, real deep) alliance (ohh lala) to alarm the Indians, who cannot fail to see it is directed against them. Simple Ass.
    Sino lust for spicey Pakistani pussy, Sino hasta pay.
    Remember lust hauku in between the two? What Pakistanass say to China before BDSM honeymoon season
    “Our respect for you master China
    is taller than the tallest mountain
    deeper (real deep ohhh) than the deepest Ocean”
    Sino replied to Pakistanass
    “Our lust for each other
    is spicier than your spiciest curry
    greasier than my greasiest pork belly”
    LOOOOOOOL

    • Replies: @denk
  358. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Awesome India was backstabbed in 1962 so has grievance against & mistrust of China, also embroiled in territorial dispute with Beijing, not surprising that it’d hedge its bet with USA.

    As early as 1959 and possibly earlier, Nehru did the same thing — hedge his bet by allying with the USA — as Modi is doing now. But Indira Gandhi had other ideas when she aligned India with the USSR in 1971. Here’s what happened next to India during the 1971 Indo-Pakistan War:

    Back then, Nixon wanted China to intervene while the Pakistanis pleaded for help from China. But the Chinese did nothing. Now the USA wants India to condemn Putin’s war in the Ukraine, by sanctioning Russia, or else be sanctioned by the USA. In other words, the USA wants India to treat Russia as an enemy or else be treated as an enemy by the USA. Remember what Indira Gandhi did in 1971? Unlike Nehru who collaborated with the CIA against China, Gandhi allied India with the USSR. And that has made all the difference.

    With the USA as a friend of Modi’s India, Xi’s China does not need to do anything.

    • Replies: @Malla
  359. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    I want peace but we humans are such, it is only stupid to expect as such. You guys can keep Diego Garcia because Anglos/Whites found those island first.
    My belief is that both the USA and China will collapse under their own weight in the future. And India will not take off like they Indian Nats are all dreaming about. See problems for the EU (civil war in between native Euros and muslim foreigners) and Russia too in the future. So instead of a Multipolar dream, we might end up with a non polar future!!!

  360. @Malla

    … and these guys ruled over Hindus for 8 centuries and he is telling me they did not destroy Hindu temples? LOL.

    The jap aggressors invaded China since before WWI and caused up to 30 million dead in China during the 2nd Sino-japanese War and you are telling us that the japs meant no harm to the Chinese but merely trying to expel the Western colonialists from China?!!!

    Did/do Chinese lives worth as much as Hindu lives? Do you ever take a look at yourself in a mirror?

  361. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    That might be true of the USA which was founded as a Republic but that’s not true for England which has a long history and tradition of feudalism lasting to this day. How else can you describe the British Monarchy and the English Aristocracy if not as anything but feudalistic?

    He has the opposite view. Indian (and African) experience was opposite. Before Postcolonial “Revolutioary” literature shrouded many historical facts.
    https://www.victoriainstitutions.com/shrouded/29
    CHAPTER TWENTY NINE
    British colonialism versus American hegemony

    A snippet
    American hegemony is basically based on firepower and technical skills. There is not much of what one can call a touch of emotional content of the local native people in the far-off nations standing with the American interests. If America goes weak, then they are as good as lost. However, in the case of the British Empire, it would be seen almost all over colonial history that the British side always fought from a weaker, numerically insignificant position. Yet, so much was the emotional fidelity that they received from their local supporters that they managed to outlive the sieges and the initial losses, to come out victorious. To get a small example of this emotional loyalty, one has to read how Robert Clive was given so much emotional support by his Tamil soldiery when they under siege for more than six months. The soldiers informed him that they would forego eating the rice and subsist on the water (kanjivellam) that was usually thrown off after rice is boiled. Food stock had depleted to such levels. Robert Clive came out in flying colours. ”

    Lowest of castes, Thiyyas of South India, treated like subhumans (literaly like monkeys) by upper caste Brahmans and Niars, before the British came in with a sword of justice.

  362. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    But the East Asians who claim Whitey supposedly looks “down upon smelly Hindooo” would not accept to allow Indian professionals in their labour markets.

    The problem is that East Asians don’t use English which is the competitive advantage of Indians in English-speaking Western countries. So importing English-speaking Indian IT professionals won’t help East Asian economies that much, except maybe as English teachers. Australia and New Zealand could have benefited from an influx of English-speaking Indian IT professionals, and so would Singapore and Malaysia. But transnational labor is a highly sensitive issue in East and Southeast Asia. Australia and New Zealand may be more amenable to the influx of Indian IT professionals but Singapore and Malaysia may chaff at the increased competition from foreign-born immigrants, whether from China or India.

    The population of East Asia — China, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan — is projected to decline by at least half-a-billion in the next 50 years. East Asian countries may need to import high-IQ STEM workers which India can fill-in as their technical workforce ages and retires. But this is up to Indian officials to negotiate with East Asian countries to allow imported STEM talent from India with its shared civilizational and historical ties to Confucianist/Buddhist East Asia.

  363. denk says:
    @Malla

    So I write in my earlier post “Malla also supported China in the past, so is Malla Sino sepoy?”
    And Denki, gets a new cunning plan, poor Denki works overtime goes through my humongous archives to fish out my earlier comments to use against me. hehehe Nice move. Totally useless but nice.

    In case anyone hasnt noticed, malla is with us whenever we call out India cow dung.
    The moment we mention the whites especially the anglo, he become hostile and switch side. 😉

    Hey buddy check this out.
    Now I have targeted my own country India, rightfully so,[sic] for acting as a brutal, imperial power crushing down on Kashmiris, North Easterners like the Nagas, Mizos etc…, Sikhs, sneakily taking over a nice peaceful kingdom like Sikkim (part of the North East too), bullying nations like Bhutan, Nepal, Sri Lanka etc… And yet lying through the teeth about “evul British”, trying to hide all the good thing s the British did in Indian subcontinent and inventing lies.
    You have Indonesia lying about “evul Dutch” while crushing the Acehnese or Western Papuans/Irian Jayans, the same story of hypocrisy.

    India’s arch rival and enemy P.R. China kind of does the same too. Lying through the teeth about the “evul Japanese” while crushing the independence of Tibetans, Uyghurs/Xinjiang/ Easter Turkmenistanis, Hong Kong folk etc…. Well you can add the Mongols of Inner Mongolia to that list too.

    [1]

    Here he goes again,,,

    Like jami, here comes another idiot who wants to blame everything on the British. It is some kind of virulent mental disease

    When even the anglo themselves have taken responsibility, why is malla the ‘indian‘ bent on whitewashing the perfidious Albion ?

    malla that whiter than white ‘indian’
    heheheh

    In the interview to South China Morning Post, Maxwell said that the dispute between India China was created by the British in the mid-1930s “when they decided that for strategic reasons they should push their north-eastern frontier out some 60 miles. They knew China would not agree to that, because they’d failed to persuade Beijing to give them that belt of territory by diplomatic pressure in the Simla Conference in 1914, and so beginning about 1936 they just took it, by force. Read: Henderson Brooks-Bhagat report

    “China was too weak to put up any military resistance but it was late in the day for the Empire to get away with that sort of action. The British parliament wouldn’t stand for it. So they falsified the record of the Simla conference by withdrawing and pulping a volume of the series recording India’s treaties and replacing it with a forged version that indicated that at Simla in 1914, China had accepted the new border alignment that they now called the McMahon Line, after the man who had in fact failed to get that agreement at Simla!” Also Read: 1962 Indo-China war veteran Brigadier Lakshman Singh shares his experience

    When asked why independent India would follow Britain’s line, he said, “It was a Faustian offer: “You keep quiet about what we did, and you get to keep the McMahon frontier: baulk, expose our trickery, give up the McMahon frontier territory, and what would your public and opposition think about it, Mr Nehru?”

    [2]

    [1]
    https://www.unz.com/estriker/international-finances-anti-china-crusade/?showcomments#comment-3825781

    [2]
    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/neville-maxwell-says-india-was-aggressor-in-1962-not-china-186929-2014-03-31

    • LOL: Mary Marianne
  364. anonyms says:
    @Malla

    The whole Rotherham issue is getting old and tiresome as a narrative for bashing muslims, and by further extension, Islam itself, especially because criminal rapists exist everywhere, professing every known religion.

    One would think, at the frequency this thing is trotted out, only “muslim” criminals rape, while others only make love, if unwantedly so. It also betrays the fact that these whitevil vermin have such meagre narrative ammunition against Muslims.

    As for the Rotherham criminals, if I was the judge, I would have fried them all, and that would have been the end of that. Why were they jailed?

    One billion Indians will scream in agreement.

    Lol! This coming from a dindian is hilarious because… most of those one billion dindoos, would be the dotniggers who secretly fantasise about raping others (including their nigger women who cheer rape threats on minorities).

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/priest-booked-for-rape-threat-against-minority-women-in-up/articleshow/90736397.cms

    Many soul-diseased rabid dindoos succumb to the temptation too (if our “lord” Vishnu can rape Tulsi, why not us?, seems to be the prevailing thought process there). It is the rape capital of the world after all.

    Here, a rape survivor tries to get a policeman to help her, and the vermin in turn rapes her;

    https://nypost.com/2022/05/05/indian-girl-who-reported-gang-rape-raped-again-by-cop-police/

    So remember, no dindian should ever project their nation’s chronic rape issues on others.

    And, with regards to whitevil entities, there is the age-old problem of Christian priestly sexual abuse. In the context of moral righteousness, these whitevils don’t live glass houses, they live in bubbles (your kind too, for reasons mentioned above).

    Ultimately, whitevil mofers seem to rake up the “Rotherham issue” regularly as an obfuscatory device to deflect from their own Christian priestly sexual predators, a problem orders of magnitude more intractable than the “muslim” one.

    It’s the pagan godless evilisation, stupid! They (including your kind) should handle that first, I dare them vermin!

    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  365. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    You misquoted the article. Here’s the full quote:

    China’s Response to the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan
    September 2001, Central Asian Survey, 20(3):323-351

    The Sino-Soviet rift constitutes one of the great schisms of Cold War politics and it is fraught with great strategic and diplomatic implications that have had a considerable impact on the external policies of both China and the Soviet Union. The Sino-Soviet Cold War began over greater influence and power in Afro-Asian countries. China had accused the Soviet Union of working overtime to fill up the vacuum caused by the US withdrawal and the Soviets had charged China with being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA. Thus, the Cold War between the two major communist countries had exposed the myth of an international communism. The two communist giants ‘were circling and being circled by each other like two heavyweight wrestlers, trying hammerlocks, footholds and feints’. This geopolitical grappling became more acute and tense in South Asia after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979 under the Brezhnev doctrine (1968) which had proclaimed that Moscow had the right to intervene in maintaining in power Communist governments threatened by domestic upheavals-which would have been improbable for the Chinese government. The main theme of this article is to focus on China’s efforts to foster ‘an Asian and international environment antagonistic to Soviet “expansion”‘. China opposed the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan by providing moral and military assistance to the Afghan mujahideen and Pakistan to counter the Soviet encirclement around China and avoid direct military confrontation with the vastly superior Soviet forces along the contested Sino-Soviet border. For this purpose, China carried on a vigorous campaign against the Soviet Union and never missed any opportunity to expose Soviet expansionist or hegemonic designs. China also stepped up its diplomatic and political offensives against the hegemony of the Soviet social imperialism by cultivating better relations with the USA.

    Mao was supporting and arming national liberation movements all over the Third World. But Khrushchev sought detente with the USA in return for the withdrawal of Soviet technical assistance to Mao’s plan to acquire nuclear weapons technology from the USSR. That was the riff which started the 1960 Sino-Soviet Split.

    • Replies: @Malla
  366. jami says:
    @Malla

    Stop sending me COPY and PASTE “comments”, This is NOT your comment. This is copying from the internet and paste it here. It is obvious that you know shit about Iranian history and do not understand these lines that are printed in a Journal or a research paper posted on line, that’s why you come with LONG USELESS lines and paste it as ‘comment’ where no one understands. Do you you understand it?
    I am not going to read these COPIED lines anymore. Use your own initiative and write something that people can understand. It is obvious that you know nothing about the Sassoon family in the development of the Opium Trade, therefore, you resort to COPY and PASTE.
    I Showed that most of your ‘comments’ are NOT yours, but copied from the work of an Israeli researcher from the university of Pennsylvania. Then stop your foolishness at once. I don’t understand why are you so desperate to protect the British empire and its extension here?
    David Sassoon, under British Government protection, had the most lucrative part of British India’s trade with China and other countries. These lucrative goods included opium, textiles, and cotton fibers. The Sassoon family did not work alone but had AGENTS in other countries that facilitated their trade. With David’s death, the Sassoon Foundation passed to his eldest son, Abdullah, who later became “Albert” and was known as Sir Albert Sassoon. He expanded the activities of the Sassoon Foundation in its two main markets, China and Iran . According to Cecil Roth, a Jewish biographer of Sassoon, during the thirty years of Albert’s presidency of the Sassoon Foundation, “the growth of these activities reached its peak and the name of the Sassoon Foundation reached its peak of fame.” So, Albert Sassoon needed AGENTS and TRAITORS to work with him to expand its ‘trade’ elsewhere.The name of Sir Albert Sassoon is DEEPLY connected with the name of Mirza Hossein Khan Sepahsalar, Iran, the great agent of the Sassoon family, and Persian ruler, an Anglophile . The high position of Sassoon family in the structure of the British Empire naturally brought them unparalleled political power, to the point that it made them the stronghold of political figures where had tremendous influence over the British empire and other countries’ political and economic development including Iran. It is known that Sassoon was involved in bringing Mirza Hussein Khan Sepahsalar to the throne in Iran (1871), an AGENT of Sassoon and thus a servant of the British empire. We have the same situation with American empire that have a lot of influence to put their puppets in the position of power to direct a country’s economic and political developments to protect American’s interests and rob the resources of that country. What had happened in British empire is happening with the American empire today with minor differences due to technology advancement.
    If the gullible people think British empire was a benevolent empire, then it is only themselves to blame. According to Iranian history, Mirza Hussain Khan sepahsalar returned to Iran after a three-year mission in Mumbai with a fortune of over 150,000 rupees. He tried to fool people that he had won this large amount of money by “betting on horses”. But there was no doubt that the money was made by giving his services to the British empire . Sepahsalar’s three-year mission in Mumbai, although a turning point in his ties with the British-Indian Jewish oligarchy, was not the end of the road. They were aware of the weakness of Iran and its corrupt rulers, Qajar, compared to the European countries, and they hoped that the Shah and his entourage would open their eyes to the situation in France and feel the need to reform and modernize the old political and economic system of the country. Britain, as an industrial power of the time and one of the main sources of capital in the world, had a special attraction for Mushir al-Dawla (sepahsalar) and some other advisers to the Shah. They believed that the financial and economic participation of the British in Iran would have the benefit of protecting Iran from the threat of the Russians. One of the area of economic participation was opium where benefited Sassoon (British empire) and its agents in Iran and left famine for the local population.Sepahsalar, pro British school, believed that British friendship and support were necessary to maintain Iran’s ‘independence’ from Russian expansionism. We know now that was BULLSHIT, in fact this was the road to dependency, corruption and famine.
    Of coursed, the pro British writers, painted Sepasalar, who was a pro British influence, as ‘patriot’. All these phony writers of the empire do nothing but LIES to keep the gullible people on board. But, those who viewed the situation more critically, disagreed.
    We know that Sepahsalar encouraged Nasser al-Din Shah’s travels to England, and it was during these travels that met Rothschild and his brothers.The Sassons also had a special place as the closest friends of the British Crown Prince. And it was 8 months after the beginning of the Sepahsalar presidency, that the famous concession given to Jewish Reuters, which actually meant the sale of the land of Iran, was concluded. It did not end there, and when the Reuter’s concession failed, the railway of Iran was renewed, this time with the hand of Lord Rothschild and with the mediation of Lord Endolf Churchill, then the Minister of India, and the father of Winston Churchill, Later, the Jewish Oligarch won more concessions from their agents in power in Iran.As far as concession is concerned, a valuable concession was now granted to Reuters for banking operations and mining operations, which led to the establishment of the Imperial Bank of Iran with the participation of Sassoon and its partners, all were thieves.
    To make the story short, the use of Opium was negligible before 1850s in Iran, and it started to rise after this date due to profitability of opium. The opium trade was developed and advanced by the Sassoon family under full protection of British empire for CASH. They did not give a damn about the consequences of this drug on people’s health, let millions die, but the empire prohibited the use of it in Britain. Both British empire and Sassoon Jewish oligarch knew what they were doing. Sassoon fired anyone who was working for its company, as soon as they found out they were addicted to opium.

    • Replies: @Malla
  367. denk says:

    looking thru the archive..
    There was this post where malla declared he’s gonna switch side to India….cuz we offended his sensitivity on the anglo

    heheh

    • Replies: @Malla
  368. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    As early as 1959 and possibly earlier, Nehru did the same thing — hedge his bet by allying with the USA

    No, he did not, Nehru was anti-West, pro China till the 1962 war. There was reasonable relations with the USA and trade. As far as the myth of India supporting Tibetan rebels before 1962 war

    From
    https://whitecranefilms.com/writing/a-cold-war-in-shangri-la-the-cia-in-tibet/

    After Andrug Gompo Tashi’s arrival in India in 1959, he and Gyalo Thondup immediately drew up plans to find a new base of operations from which to launch a new front. They decided on Mustang, a remote and barren kingdom in northern Nepal that juts into Tibet. The CIA agreed to help them and the initial plan was to send a total of 2100 men in groups of 300. Mustang would be the staging post from where these groups would move into Tibet and set up bases. The CIA demanded the highest security as the movement of such large numbers of men would be sure to arouse the suspicion of both the Indian and Nepalese authorities

    If India (& Nepal) were supporting the CIA pre 1962 (1959), why would the CIA be scared of arousing suspicion of Indian (or Nepali) authorities? The operations was taking place clandestinely without the knowledge and support of Indian authorities.

    Following the debacle of the Sino-Indian War of 1962, Nehru turned for help to America, which responded swiftly. A number of joint operations was initiated, some involving Tibetan refugees. The Indians were apprised of the Mustang guerrilla force, which, until then, was being run secretly out of the Darjeeling office.

    That is it was only after the 1962 war with China, did Nehru/India come to know about the CIA Tibet activities and then after the war decided to help the movement.

    So this Nehru/India allied with the USA before 1962 or gave active support to CIA-Tibetan revolutionaries is a lie.

    Nehru actually went out of his ways to help China, his anti-colonial, anti-West mentality and his worship China mentality. All he got for it was a backstab by the CCP
    https://www.opindia.com/2020/07/nehru-china-pla-rice-supply-invade-tibet/
    Nehru helped PLA forces to rampage and decimate Tibet by supplying rice in 1950s:
    KM Panikkar, India’s ambassador to China from 1950-52, often acted like Mao’s envoy rather than Nehru’s, invariably defending the Chinese acts of omission and commission.

    India before 1962 had the most pro-China/ pro-CCP Government ever, after Independence, and such a pro-China/ pro-CCP Indian Government now is impossible for ever. The people of India will never allow it.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  369. Malla says:
    @denk

    In case anyone hasnt …., he become hostile and switch side

    Nice try at psychoanalysts Denki. The truth is much more simple, I have come across some information just recently which changed my whole viewpoint about the Sino India situation before 1962. I realize, what Indian nationalists have been saying is true, that our first PM Nehru was too weak when dealing with China and did not read enemy intentions.
    Earlier I thought this is bullshit but now I realize, they were speaking the truth. This has nothing to do with Anglos, you guys can start praising Anglos, my position will not change.
    It is because of constantly calling “India wuz sepoy” bullshit and cheap propaganda which led me to do some research on this issue and find out that it was CCP which really back-stabbed India and now has only itself to blame for such suspicious attitudes Indians have towards China. Maybe face a two front war because of stupidity in 1962.

    • Replies: @denk
  370. Malla says:
    @jami

    I am not denying the Jewish Sasson family influence in Opium Trade, but you are not giving full picture. Also Opium cannot be blamed alone for those famines, there was speculation and greed of Iranian authorities, merchants, religious clergy etc…

    Also you claimed that Iran had a famine in 1877 and thus could not give grain to starving South Indians which led to the death of millions. But there was no famine in Iran in that year, I checked, it was a lie you said, some cheap excuse.

  371. jami says:

    The recent article by Benjamin Ivrychohen, on Sassoon family opium trade, where the Mafia treat them as Jewish Kings, published in ‘forward’, is trying to belittle the crimes of Sassoon’s family, by explaining the situation as follows:

    [[The Sassoons had to dismiss some of their Chinese employees because they were addicted to opium. Many of the Jewish families fought tooth and nail against banning opium. Opium was legal and used for medicinal purposes. Like people who sell cigarettes and alcohol, their feeling was that they were filling a need. They also looked upon the Chinese as being different from Westerners. They felt that the Chinese weren’t like us, so selling opium to the Chinese was seen as something that could be done. So there is a moral reckoning for selling this drug, even though the consequences for China were catastrophic.]]
    https://forward.com/culture/442250/when-jews-were-kings-and-opium-lords-in-shanghai/

    Today, we have similar situation with Opioid trade by SACKLER family who deny their role in opioid crisis where many people are dead. People are trying to get justices for their loved one using states to hold these criminals responsible demanding REPARATION.
    Another agent of Sasson in Iran who expanded the cultivation of Opium, instead of crops to cash in, was Mohammad Mehdi Arbab Esfahani, one of the merchant of Bushehr. Sepahsalar and other British agents made Opium as the source of the development of “National economy” to convince people in the position of power.
    Following the “spread of national economic ideas” during the Sepahsalar presidency, not only did opium cultivation progress greatly, but, according to Adamiyat, a pro west historian, addiction became so prevalent for the first time in Iran that described in foreign travelogues.
    Thus the foundation of the “national economy” was laid, but at what cost? This is the point that pro British writers ignore.
    The British Consul in Bushehr explains in his report that in the first years of Arbab Esfahani presidency of the chamber of commerce, the opium poppy was so developed that it led to a famine. Due to the profitability of the opium, the traders were attracted to devote more suitable lands to opium in Yazd, Isfahan and other places to poppy cultivation, and the cultivation of cereals and other crops was neglected. This was combined with drought and other factors, leading to the famine of 1871-1872. According to Ahmad Ashraf, an Iranian socialist, among the foreign companies that operated in Iran during the Qajar period, he mentions Sassoon Company which was engaged in foreign trade and import and export between Britain and Iran, especially opium exports, and had representatives in Bushehr and Isfahan. In the above source, two other Iranian agents of Sassoon Company are identified as follows:
    Haji Mirza Mahmoud Kazeruni, the largest businessman in Shiraz, was the agent of Sassoon Company, and Haji Mohammad Sadr, the merchant of Isfahan, was the richest and most influential businessman.
    Of course, the evil empire never work alone and always have naive and traitor individuals as businessmen or politicians, where some of them are let on the position of power by the empire, to work with a foreign power to rich themselves. This does not deny the crimes of the evil empire such as British where still is going on, of course, as a JUNIOR partner.

  372. @anonyms

    “Lol! This coming from a dindian is hilarious because… most of those one billion dindoos, would be the dotniggers who secretly fantasise about raping others (including their nigger women who cheer rape threats on minorities).”

    Is it anything like what Mohammed did to the nine year old child? Aren’t you, as a Muslim, supposed to follow your Allah’s main man from Makkah in all things? Oh, I forgot! You Pakis are Muslims in name only because your Allah did not give you oil like the Arab countries, Nigeria and Indonesia. You’re the slaves of the sand jockeys!

  373. denk says:
    @Malla

    bollocks !

    Smoking gun…insider info.

    ——–
    [posted many times before, now its gone from the webarchive, they’r really scrubbing the internet, enjoy your posting while it last]

    [MORE]

    PAGE 1 : 4
    Stirring an Old Cold War Fire

    By Gregory Clark International Herald Tribune

    Saturday, June 6, 1998

    On Oct. 20, 1962, the world woke to find Chinese military divisions advancing into Indian-claimed and occupied territory south of the Himalayas.
    .
    “Chinese aggression,” screamed the headlines. It took more than 10 years, and the book “India’s China War,” by the former London Times correspondent in New Delhi, Neville Maxwell, for the world to discover that in fact India had attacked China rather than vice versa.
    .
    At the time I was a junior China desk officer in the Australian Department of External Affairs. One needed only to look at a map to discover that the hostilities had begun after India moved troops into the Thagla Ridge area, north of the official version of the McMahon Line, which India was claiming as its northernmost frontier.
    .
    In other words, India must have started the fighting. I made it my job to find out whether the British Foreign Office and the U.S. State Department agreed, which they did, reluctantly.
    .
    But in those Cold War days, these kinds of facts were irrelevant. China was the enemy; India was a friend; the fighting had to be seen as further proof of Chinese Communist evil, even though Beijing, which had quite a good claim to the territory south of the McMahon Line, withdrew all its troops after defeating India.
    .
    All this is relevant to the India-Pakistan confrontation today. China’s 1962 border war with India followed the 1959 Tibetan uprising (in which we now find that India and the CIA were involved).
    .
    That, combined with the 1958 confrontation with America in the Taiwan Strait and the growing dispute with the Soviet Union, was enough to convince Chinese leaders that they were being surrounded. Alliance with Pakistan was the only way they could break the stranglehold, they reasoned.
    .
    But Beijing’s linking up with Pakistan simply added to India’s angst, which led to the Indian move to encourage the Bangladesh breakaway from Pakistan, which — with the Kashmir issue — led to the impasse in Indian-Pakistani relations and the mutual nuclear testing that we see today.
    .
    Worse, New Delhi has apparently decided that its nuclear tests allow it to revive its 1960s grudge against Beijing, just when Tibet again is becoming a sensitive global issue — yet another example of how what seemed like small Cold War exaggerations fester to create much larger problems decades later.
    .
    Whether tit-for-tat testing by Pakistan and India creates a risk of nuclear war is moot. As with the U.S.-Soviet standoff, fear of nuclear retaliation could well be the thing that stops generals on both sides from escalating confrontations. But that does not stop the confrontations. With the China-Tibet issue in the background, the India-Pakistan standoff looks nasty and dangerous.
    .

    But in those Cold War days, these kinds of facts were irrelevant. China was the enemy; India was a friend

    Has the cold war ever stopped, have the barbarians ever left the gates, has India
    the sepoy changed its spot, when was China NOT the anglo’s designated enemy ?

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @American Bulwark
  374. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    Here’s a transcript of the 1959 meeting between Khrushchev and Mao after the flight of the Dalai Lama from China to India:

    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/document/112088

    Note that there were anti-China and pro-Dalai Lama protests in New Delhi after the CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising failed in 1959. Zhou En-lai said that there were border clashes between China and India during the 1959 Tibetan uprising when Indian soldiers crossed the McMahon line and fired first into Chinese soldiers guarding the border. These border incidents which coincided with the failed CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising and the subsequent flight of the Dalai Lama from China into India must have the tacit knowledge and covert support of Nehru, as early as 1959, if not earlier, due to the need to prepare for the Tibetan uprising within India.

    In other words, Nehru was publicly saying one thing but secretly conspiring with the CIA to destabilize China by covertly supporting the Tibetan uprising in 1959. And there were already border clashes started by Indian soldiers crossing the McMahon Line during the Tibetan uprising as early as 1959! This implies that Nehru’s Forward Policy must have been a deliberate conspiracy between Nehru and the CIA to destabilize the China-India border as delineated by the McMahon Line, which China has never accepted as anything legitimate but treated as a colonial artifact of the British Empire.

    • Replies: @Malla
  375. @anonyms

    Mehool Bhai, entry Jhakaas estyle, Yes.
    Mad Mullah Bhai seys evil things about us Hindus , so after centuries of rape, plunder and mass murder the Muslim evils hatred for us not end. Not surprised, these Muslim evils are deep wells of demonic hatred.
    He says

    They go gaga over mythologies which they are unable to prove ever existed.

    You mean when fly on donkey and horse?

    The Flying Horse Fantasy

    Our heroes like Shri Ram are far better than your fake cowards.

    The Bravery of Prophet Muhammad and the Battle of Uhud
    LOL LOL LOL. These are their heroes, no wonder these cowards regularly used cunning and cheating to defeat Hindus. They learn from their shitty religion and heroes only.

    And who you calling Pagan? A proud term, faith connected to our land and ancestors.

    The Islamic Pagan Pilgrimage
    Hahaha you are following pagan of your dirty Arab barbarian masters. We proudly follow Pagan of our ancestors, we spit on you dirty unclean barbarians.

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  376. @anonyms

    Mehool Bhai,
    The shamelessness of these Muslim evils is mind boggling only. No wonder these barbarians are cursed and their region is place of wars and bombs and blood. A million curses on these evil vermin, the ancient spiritual land of India curses you evils, your evil kind bleed and bleed. The curses of our ancient sages will never allow you Muslim evils any peace for the unmatched death and destruction caused by your kind.

    History of Islamic Slavery in India | Sai Priya | #SangamTalks

    A small sample of wealth these Muslim looters and animal barbarians looted out of the ancient civilization of India. As Nobel Prize winner Naipaul said, the Muslims permanently damaged the ancient Indian civilization.

    A Glimpse Of India’s Wealth Looted By Sultan Mahmud of Ghazni | Manoshi Sinha | Somnath Temple

    And this evil, this desire of Muslim evils to loot, rape, plunder and destroy beats in their evil hearts. Nothing can cure these evils and the damage these filthy evil animals have done to India and Earth. They want to do more!!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EXrEDXtS3xY

    WARNING: Muslim Scholar Says We Will Conquer and Enslave you in 40-50 Years Admits conquest, rape and plunder plans as per their evil religion.

    Islamic Scholar Admits Islam Promotes Slavery

  377. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    India must have the tacit knowledge and covert support of Nehru, as early as 1959, if not earlier, due to the need to prepare for the Tibetan uprising within India.

    If this would be the case, why was the CIA scared of Indian and Nepalese authorities would detect their Tibetan operations in 1959? Why were they making sure that Indian authorities would find out their operations? If India was colluding with the USA, why this fear? Why does the CIA itself says that the Indians were made aware of these Tibetan operations only after 1962?

    Note that there were anti-China and pro-Dalai Lama protests in New Delhi after the CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising failed in 1959.

    India is a democracy and the Indian people considered (rightly or wrongly) what “China has conquered and colonised Tibet”. Please note India is not a country run by a Communist Party and people do demonstrate on their free will, this does not need the CIA. The Indian population was completely pro Dalai Lama, not Nehru, it was public pressure which forced Nehru to allow the Dalai Lama in.

    China and India during the 1959 Tibetan uprising when Indian soldiers crossed the McMahon line and fired first into Chinese soldiers guarding the border.

    Even Mao, Zhu De, Chen Yi or Zhou Enlai never made this connection in between the Tibetan uprising (march 1959) and the altercations with Indian soldiers (Longju Incident). The CCP would be the first to make this connection in between the and say it to Khrushchev in the link you provided.

    And there were already border clashes started by Indian soldiers crossing the McMahon Line du

    The Government of India claims that Chinese troops moved into Indian territory and attacked the Assam Rifles and gave a protest note to China in this regard in 1959.

    https://swarajyamag.com/defence/longju-incident-of-1959-how-india-lost-arunachal-territory-where-china-has-built-a-village
    On 23 June 1959, less than three months after the Dalai Lama’s arrival in India, the Foreign Office of China handed over a note to the Indian Counsellor in Peking (now Beijing) accusing India of “intrusion and occupation of Migyitun, Samgar Sanpo and other places in the Tibet region of China and their collusion with the Tibetan rebel bandits”.

    “…the Migyitun area in the south eastern part of the Tibetan region of China was intruded, shelled (and) occupied by over 200 Indian troops. These Indian troops, equipped with radio stations and weapons of various types, were building military work around Migyitun,” the note read.

    In its response three days later, the Indian government “emphatically repudiated any suggestion that their forces violated the international frontier” and said that the areas mentioned in China’s note are located “within Chinese territory in Tibet”.

    “The nearest outpost which the Government of India have in this area is at Longju. This is south of Migyitun and within the Indian side of the traditional international border,” the Indian note added.

    However, despite India’s recognition of Migyitun as Chinese territory, the Chinese attacked the Indian post in Longju on 25 August 1959. Chinese troops under the 2nd Company of 1st Regiment of Shannan Military Sub Command attacked personnel of 9 Assam Rifles occupying the Indian post at Longju, Major Generals Dwivedi and Sandhu write in their book.

    The Chinese opened fire on an Indian forward picket of 12 soldiers. The Indian soldiers were later arrested by the Chinese forces, although eight of them managed to escape somehow. This was followed up by an attack on the Indian outpost at Longju by a Chinese detachment.

    The Chinese forces outflanked the Indian outpost and opened fired on it from a distance of about 800 yards, India said in its protest note handed over by the Indian Ambassador to the Chinese Foreign Office on 28 August.

    In its protest note, the Indian government stated that the Longju post was “about two miles south of the international border” and said that the objective of the Chinese attack on Longju was “clearly was to overpower our outpost which was well within our territory”. On 26 August, a day after the first attack, the Chines forces encircled the Indian post at Longju and opened heavy fire on it. “Our personnel had therefore to abandon the post. We have no exact information as to their whereabouts,” the 28 August note reads.
    The Chinese note on the issue, which was handed over to the Indian Ambassador on 27 August (a day before the Indian note) had accused Indian forces of intrusion and firing.
    “…on 25th August 1959, a group of Indian armed troops intruded into Chinese territory south of Migyitun and suddenly opened fire on Chinese frontier guards stationed at Migyitun discharging dozens of rounds of machine-gun and rifle shots. After the Chinese frontier guards fired back in self-defence. the above armed troops withdrew from that area,” it said.

    After this incident, India did not reoccupy the post in Longju. “Assam Rifles did not reoccupy Longju and instead set up a post at Maja, 10 km South of Longju, on 29 Aug 1959,” Dwivedi and Sandhu write, adding, “…after this incident, with effect from 27 Aug 1959, the defence of NEFA which till then was the responsibility of Intelligence Bureau under the Ministry of Home Affairs and Assam Rifles under the Ministry of External Affairs became the responsibility of the Indian Army.”

    In other words, Nehru was publicly saying one thing but secretly conspiring with the CIA to destabilize China by covertly supporting the Tibetan uprising in 1959.

    Completely false.

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  378. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    You misquoted the article.

    How did I misquote the article?? I only qouted what the Soviets accused the Chinese of. I linked the whole article. The Soviet accused the Chinese of “being the chief warmonger and with creating tensions in collusion with the USA.” The politics behind it (as you have explained) is a different issue.

    Mao was supporting and arming national liberation movements all over the Third World.

    In other words, interfering in the internal affairs of other polities while accusing others of the same!!! What hypocrites!!!
    BTW, the USSR was interfering in the internal affairs of others too ….oops….I mean “supporting national liberation movements” once Khrushchev came into power. Example, in Rhodesia, ZAPU terrorists were supported by the USSR and ZANU by China.

  379. Malla says:
    @Mehool Mehta

    Mehool Uncle, criticize Muslims if you like, but never insult a Prophet. Bad Spiritual karma, if you are Hindu, you would know what I mean. For your own good.
    Malla Bhai.

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  380. Anon[292] • Disclaimer says:

    [And this evil, this desire of Muslim evils to loot, rape, plunder and destroy beats in their evil hearts. Nothing can cure these evils and the damage these filthy evil animals have done to India and Earth. They want to do more!!]
    Indian Men Too Small for Condoms

    Indian researchers found the same problem:

    {{Condoms designed to meet international size specifications are too big for many Indian men as their penises fall short of what manufacturers had anticipated, an Indian study has found.}}

    You racist zionist Hendi first take care of YOUR PROBLEM and then shut up. You are so filthy and petty that even GOD did not give you the tool to control your population therefore, you stay as SLAVES for ever.

    “One of the reasons for a failure of up to 20 percent (of condoms) is the association of the size of the condom to the erect penis,” the council’s Dr. Chander Puri told Reuters.”
    Puri said many men in India, which has the world’s highest HIV positive caseload, were too shy to ask for condoms.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-condoms-size/speak-up-sir-you-need-the-extra-small-condoms-idUSDEL34444520061212

    You filthy cannot make a suitable condom and out of frustration come here and insult Muslims who can make the best condoms
    Most condoms, meanwhile, are a rather hopeful 5.9-7 inches. And your…..?

    {{A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.The study found that more than half of the men measured had penises that were shorter than international standards for condoms.}}

    You filthy must be very jealous of Muslims, aren’t you idiot?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6161691.stm

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Mehool Mehta
  381. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The following documents are transcripts of the meeting between Indian PM Nehru and Chinese Premier Zhou En-lai from April 21 to 24, 1960:

    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/426/21426.pdf
    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/419/21419.pdf
    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/423/21423.pdf
    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/013/434/13434.pdf

    Zhou was anxious to settle China’s border dispute with India, as he met Nehru during his visit to India in April 1960, just one year after the flight of the Dalai Lama to India after the failed CIA-instigated Tibetan uprising in March 1959. But Nehru adamantly refused to accept any compromises with Zhou in order to legally demarcate the final boundaries between China and India. Instead, Nehru implemented his ‘Forward Policy’ by stationing Indian troops as far as possible, even crossing the McMahon line, into the Chinese side of ‘Line of Actual Control’. That’s what led to the 1962 Sino-Indian War which forced Nehru to write a letter to Kennedy pleading for US military intervention, proving his complicity in the covert anti-China activities of the CIA in India. Nehru didn’t intend to seek any agreement with Zhou precisely at the behest of the CIA which was actively seeking to destabilize China.

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  382. “You filthy must be very jealous of Muslims, aren’t you idiot?”

    Did Mohammed, your Allah’s main man, use condoms on the little girl he called his wife and molested very often? And what size was he using, small, medium, large or Negro? I bet you know all about it. Pray do tell us!

    P. S. And why are you showing a Roman/Greek statue in relation to India? Are are you Muslims negros?

  383. @Malla

    I disagree with you, Malla. Mehool Bai has the right to criticize not only the pedophile Mohammed but the bloodthirsty Allah (actually, he is a copy of the Jewish God YHWH in that sense), just as a Muslim has the right to do the same to Jesus, Krishna or Buddha.

    But no one has the right to do what Muslims have done over the centuries, which is to plunder, rape and destroy other cultures. Those sanctimonious niggers from the desert and their slave followers from around the globe deserve what they’re now getting. You’re right in that karma can be a really nasty bitch.

    • Replies: @Malla
  384. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Well, Mehool Uncle might have said some brutal stuff but he was only responding to the insulting things written by Hindus the person named “anonyms”, who started this whole Hindu Muslim thing out of the blue. Hindus are extremely sensitive of outsiders insulting their gods and religions and ESPECIALLY from Muslims because of the 800 years of humiliation. So what was Mehool Uncle to do? Not respond back? Allow Muslims to insult Hinduism and accept his position as a slave. The things you wrote of Hindus as slaves proves my point. I have observed this in online forums. Many Muslims have a deep belief that Hindus should be their slaves, that Hindus are a slave race and that Muslims should rightfully rule Hindus in the lands of their own ancestors!!! Not all Muslims but many and they keep this attitude hidden, and suddenly it comes out. And yet Muslims complain about the West? Sometimes about Russia (Chechnya). No wonder there is so much anger in Hindus and the rising Hindutva movement. Why should Indians sympathize with Muslims? No wonder India allies with Israel (while Israel loots India via shady defense deals).

    And what you wrote about organ size, if true is a self goal. Because it says Indians, which would include Indian Muslims and since Bangladeshis and Pakistanis are of the same race, it would hold true for them too. This is after all a racial/ genetic thing. Just by uttering the Shahada and converting to Islam and getting circumcised, a Hindu’s organ size won’t suddenly grow.
    And since South Asian Muslims by population are a major chunk of the Muslim global population, it seems a large chunk of the Muslim population have similar organ sizes. Now what if Whites claim that Muslims are mad because of this fact? I was reading s scientific paper, years ago, will have to find it, that among Caucasoid types there is a North West-South East variation in testosterone that Scandinavians men had more of it than Balkan men who had more than Middle Easterners and South Asians. So if Muslims criticize the West, does this mean they are jealous of Westerners?

    And to be honest, Hindus do not and never have any inferiority complex feelings towards Muslims, Conservative Hindus (like most conservative people on Earth) consider Muslims as “barbarian vermin wierdos” in the midst of their normal societies. Abnormal people with abnormal habits (not my personal view at all) . Hindus/Jains have superiority complex feelings that their civilization is oldest and greatest and all other civilizations came from theirs. That foreigners are strange etc… like most conservative populations on earth.
    But I admit, they may have inferiority complex feelings towards Whites or Yellows due to their good (plus high IQish) looks, perceived sophisticated culture/mannerisms, technological achievements, developed countries etc…. but never Muslims or Middle Easterners, I have never seen it ever. And this mix of superiority complex feelings mixed with the inferiority complex w.r.t Whites and East Asians, does weird things to their minds. But Hindus NEVER have or had inferiority complex feelings towards the Islamic World or Middle Easterners in general. NEVER EVER. The idea is hilarious. Hindus/Indians just look at Middle Easterners/ North Africans, South East Asians, Hispanics/ Native Americans etc.. as just some other varieties of brown people like themselves but still very different from themselves. They obviously look at Whites, Yellows and Blacks are very different from themselves.

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  385. Malla says:
    @Malla

    written by Hindus the person named “anonyms”,

    *written against Hindus by the person named “anonyms”,

  386. @Anon

    Mehaool Bhai, entry estyle.
    Yes.
    Mad Mullah bhai is obsessed with penises. We write.

    size specifications are too big for many Indian men as their penises fall short

    Hahah, who wrote this? Western scientists paid with Saudi money and given Arab pussy. No wonder they are all jealous of India and hate Indians and write such nonsense. Muslim evils and White thieves have collaborated many times to loot us Hindus like during British times. All of you Muslim evils, White thief and Chinese demons hate India and will spread such nonsense to feel good about yourselves. We know you Muslim evils, you collaborate with Western thief and Chinese devils to break apart our country, to break our nation. We know your cunning tricks, but they will fail, we sons of our motherland India will fight for our country and defeat you evil foreign forces.
    This is the Tukde Tukde conspiracy by foreign Muslim evils and the other foreign forces to break our beloved India apart.
    Gulf Arab Sheikhina women frequently run away with their Indian drives, escape to India and live happily. Happens very regularly. There is a big problem for Arab Gulf women falling for their Indian Hindu drivers in Gulf. Hahaha. Why they run?
    If you want to compare the penises, bring your slut sister to Mumbai, when you come, you tell me, my men will pick you up, treat you like guest. Then later I mount your slut sister/cousin from front and you from back and let her compare during session which is bigger. I will bet a 100000 Rs on the spot for size. Come come. Come to Chatrapati Shivaji Airport, Mumbai and contact me via Unz. Shivaji kicked you foreign muslims behind.

    Your hatred for Hindus is obvious. No shame, your demonic kind came to our peaceful lands and looted its wealth, killed millions, enslaved millions, raped millions. What had our poor peaceful ancestors done to deserve this? Image my poor Hindu ancestors running for his life and evil Muslim horsemen run after him to catch him and make slave, of sharing his wife among themselves, of killing his villages. What did he do to deserve this.? Noo, we will take revenge, we 1 billion people Hindus we are only getting ready. We swear by souls of our ancestors, every evil you did we will do to you. We never came to your shitty land, you came here. Looted our wealth and make your Damascus and Baghdad. Took our Indian knowledge to have your Islamic Golden age. What culture you have in your third rate Middle East? Do you know the greatness of ancient Indian culture? What food you eat with no taste. I have tried your Middle East foods, no taste, no flavour, what culture you have? You looted everything.

    And even before we take revenge, the peculiar and mysterious spiritual forces of ancient India of her great sages will have its effect. Your kind will bleed and burn. Women, children everybody, our million curses to your kind. Curses from the depth of our hearts. You bleeded our women and children, you will face the same. All will drip drip blood. And bombing and fire. Fire God Agni will leach the evil from your kind and purify tour souls. There will never be peace in your cursed lands.
    Many centuries ago, heart broken and deep in pain on seeing the destruction to our ancient holy land by your barbarian kind, some holy sage, wi8th bitterness with his heart cursed your kind. And in came Ghenghis Khan, his glorious Mongol Empire whose sword killed and killed millions of your demonic kind. Well deserved, entire cities destroyed by the Mongol Army, when the Universe heard the cries and curses of the holy Indian sage. Baghdad destroyed. But that was only short term effect, the cleansing done by Genghis Khan’s force, long term effects of curses are yet to kick in. That is only spiritual revenge, material revenge, we will take. We are getting ready. Never forget what happened to our hapless ancestors, never forgive.
    —–Mehool Bhai, Mumbai

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  387. Malla says:
    @American Bulwark

    I am uncomfortable with it but each to his own. Mehool uncle lives in a free country.

  388. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    proving his complicity in the covert anti-China activities of the CIA in India. Nehru didn’t intend to seek any agreement with Zhou precisely at the behest of the CIA which was actively seeking to destabilize China.

    Bullshit. The idea that India had anything to do with the CIA to destabilize China is preposterous as the CIA themselves admit that they had to keep things clandestine till 1962.
    Have you actually read the lined pdfs tyou provided. Go through them, what we see is a big difference in positions of both the countries as to where the boundaries could be. Zhou En Lai even accepts in the end (4th link) that solving the border issue will take a long time. nothing here shows that India was deliberately avoiding solving the border issue due to the wishes of any third party.
    Whatever happened before 1962 happened primarily in between India and China, India did not need CIA approval of anything. And this attitude that India needs CIA approval for any action shows arrogance on the side of the Chinese, to deny India its own agency. To the Chinese mond, China is a big boy fighting American Imperialists and an insignificant country like India can only act in some camp and not as an independent agency which is completely unsupportable by reality and the source of a lot of misunderstanding.
    Also thanks to your links, I am understanding more and many of my misconcpetions have righted. It seems the so called colonial McMohan line only affects the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh or South Tibet. However one mush remember that the people/s Republic of China accepted the “colonial” McMahon line as border with Myanmar/Burma but not with India.
    But the border in AkshaiChin-Ladakh region has nothing to do with Mcmohan or the British,, Here India’s claims rests on the princely state of Jammu & Kashmir, which was not part of the Raj proper. And Indian claims of border there comes from the earlier and indigenous Sikh Empire.

    Red Line = border of the Princely State of Jammu & Kashmir
    So the “colonial line” excuse cannot be applied there. On 26 October 1947, Hari Singh, the sovereign ruler of Jammu & Kashmir acceded to India and thus the entire territory belongs to India and thus from an Indian position, parts of India are illegally occupied by China & Pakistan.

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  389. Dream says:
    @Mehool Mehta

    There is a big problem for Arab Gulf women falling for their Indian Hindu drivers in Gulf. Hahaha. Why they run?

    When did this happen?

  390. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The McMahon Line applies to the British NEFA (North East Frontier Agency), also called India’s Arunachal Pradesh or China’s South Tibet. The British first proposed the Macartney–MacDonald Line for its claim to Aksai Chin in 1899 while India bases its claim to Aksai Chin on the Johnson Line first drawn in 1865, both of which were never accepted by China. Here’s a map of Aksai Chin:

    India’s claim to Aksai Chin is based solely on the 26 October 1947 accession to India made by Hindu Maharaja Hari Singh, on behalf of Kashmir and Jammu. But the restive Muslim population in Kashmir has been rebellious for seven decades now since its accession to India in 1947, made worse by Modi who does not want Muslims in India. Meanwhile, Ladakh which borders Aksai Chin is predominantly Sino-Tibetan Buddhist which makes it closer ethno-culturally to Tibet than to Hindustan India. Same principle applies to Tawang in the East.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  391. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    India’s claim to Aksai Chin is based solely on the 26 October 1947 accession to India made by Hindu Maharaja Hari Singh, on behalf of Kashmir and Jammu.

    That “solely” is enough, the King of Kashmir is the sovereign ruler of that land, Kashmir was not part of British Raj, but a princely state (Indian EmpireBritish Raj proper+Princely States), if that sovereign ruler joins India, the whole territory of Jammu & Kashmir princely state becomes part of the territory of the Dominion of India and later the Republic of India. Any other nation having control on Indian sovereign territory is considered an act of war against India.

    But the restive Muslim population in Kashmir has been rebellious for seven decades now since its accession to India in 1947, made worse by Modi who does not want Muslims in India.

    One can say the same thing about Xinjiang. But if the han claim that Xinjinag was once part of China during Tang or earlier (way before Qing) or that the original population there are Pamiris, Indians will claim Muslims appeared in the Indian subcontinent far later, Kashmir had Hindu temples before Mohammed was even born, indeed Kashmir is named after Hindu Indian sage Kashyap.

    Meanwhile, Ladakh which borders Aksai Chin is predominantly Sino-Tibetan Buddhist which makes it closer ethno-culturally to Tibet than to Hindustan India.

    One can make the argument that the Uyghurs are closer ethno-culturally to other Central Asians like Uzbeks, Kirghiz etc… of the nations of Central Asia than the Han Chinese.

    Anyways, I am not taking sides, I am just explaining the position and we see that there is a big difference in perceptions where the borders should be in between the Chinese sides and Indian side. The Chinese side also claims that Indian maps have changes, which may be true. Maybe the Chinese side is in the right, I don’t know. I am not sure which side is speaking the truth about the 1959 incident, I did not have a drone then to check out, which side attacked which side.
    From an ethno-racial pint of view, I would have given Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh (South Tibet) to PRC as I would rather have the Tibetan type populations together whether as part of PRC or an independent Tibet.
    If highly educated intelligent leaders/diplomats on both sides could not solve it yet, I doubt you and me can solve this issue on Unz.

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  392. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    The British first proposed the Macartney–MacDonald Line for its claim to Aksai Chin in 1899 while India bases its claim to Aksai Chin on the Johnson Line first drawn in 1865, both of which were never accepted by China.

    Not as simple as that. The Indian position is based on older treaties, treaties before the British Empire.
    https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/assets/media_files/000/021/423/21423.pdf
    Indian PM Nehru explains India’s border position to Premier Chou En Lai of the People’s Republic of China. Some snippets.

    “This is the traditional boundary for Ladakh and can be traced back to the 10th century. At one time· In the 10th century, Ladakh and Tibet were under one rule. Then occurred family partition and western Tibet was given to one member of the family and Ladakh to another. After that Ladakh became separate. In 1664 it accepted suzerainty of the then Indian empire, namely, Moghul Empire which had extended to the area of Kashmir. In 1681 Ladakh was invaded by Tibetans and Mongols but they were driven back by Ladakhis with the aid of the Moghul Governor of Kashmir. This resulted in the peace treaty of 1684. We have still got a copy of this treaty. This treaty repeats these boundaries which it says ware there when the three families first ruled and that they should be maintained. Chronicles of those days said that the boundary between Ladakh and Tibet was fixed at Demohok in that area. Other chronicles of the period also confirm this. In 1846 Cunningham visited this area and he found that the eastern boundary of Ladakh was defined by piles of stones.
    But between 1834 and 1841 Ladakh was conquered by the ruler of Jammu, Gulab Singh who was a feudatory or the north Indian kingdom of the Sikhs. In 1841 Gulab Singh’s general, Zorawar Singh, invaded western Tibet. He was, however, defeated by Tibetans aided by Chinese troops who advanced towards Leh. The Tibetan and Chinese troops were, however, pushed back by the Ladakhis and a peace treaty was signed in 1842. We have the text of this treaty and on behalf or the Chinese-Tibetan forces it was signed by an army officer who held Chinese rank.

    …snip…

    “In 1846 the British suggested to the Tibetan and Chinese parties that this accepted boundary should be formally defined. The Chinese Imperial Commissioner at Hong Kong replied sayings ”Respecting the frontier, I beg to remark that the border of these territories has men sufficiently and distinctly fixed so that it will be best to adhere to this ancient arrangement and it will prove far more convenient to abstain from any additional measures for fixing them“. I might mention that until then, that is to say, in the late forties of the 18th century, Kashmir and Ladakh were not a part of the British Empire. It was only a little later that Kashmir accepted British suzerainty but it continued as a State.
    In 1899 the British made proposals to the Chinese again suggesting that this recognized boundary, that is to say, the northern boundary or Kashmir and Ladakh with Sinkiang, should be clearly defined. In making the proposal, the British clearly stated that this boundary of Ladakh or more correctly Kashmir, lay along the Kunlun mountains to a point east of 80 deg. The Chinese Government took no objection either to this proposel or to this definition of the border.
    From all this it would appear that till the 19th century there was no divergence of opinion on the alignment or the boundery of Ladakh in the parties concerned – namely the Ladhakis, Kashmiris, the Tibetans, Chinese, Indians or the British. ”
    …snip….
    Although the Kashmir State acknowledged the suzerainty of the British, the British did not interfere in the internal affairs of the State and in fact there were strict rules about British people going to these areas. They could not normally go to these areas unless it was on invitation on the ruler of Kashmir. Actually many of these surveyors and travelers were invited by the ruler of Kashmir for surveying purposes.
    …snip….
    “In 1810, the then Viceroy of India Lord Mayo signed a commercial treaty with Kashmir for developing trade routes. The treaty says that with the consent of the Maharaja of Kashmir, officers will be appointed for surveying the trade routes from Lahaul to the territory of the rulers of Yarkand including Chang Chen Mo Valley. Therefore all these parts were considered to be in the Kashmir State and Lord Mayo had to take consent of the Kashmiri Government before sanding his men to these areas for surveying work.”

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  393. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    That “solely” is enough, the King of Kashmir is the sovereign ruler of that land, Kashmir was not part of British Raj, but a princely state (Indian EmpireBritish Raj proper+Princely States), if that sovereign ruler joins India, the whole territory of Jammu & Kashmir princely state becomes part of the territory of the Dominion of India and later the Republic of India. Any other nation having control on Indian sovereign territory is considered an act of war against India.

    That decision by one man with a different language, culture and religion than the Kashmir Muslims has been contested by Pakistanis and Kashmiris since day one.

    One can say the same thing about Xinjiang. But if the han claim that Xinjinag was once part of China during Tang or earlier (way before Qing) or that the original population there are Pamiris, Indians will claim Muslims appeared in the Indian subcontinent far later, Kashmir had Hindu temples before Mohammed was even born, indeed Kashmir is named after Hindu Indian sage Kashyap.

    China’s neighboring countries in Central Asia do not claim Xinjiang as part of their territories. The only foreign State to have supported Uyghur secessionists is the USSR before the founding of the PRC which did settle its border disputes with all of its Central Asian neighbors. In fact, the USSR invented the term ‘East Turkestan’ which has been appropriated by Western Imperialists today. Ironically enough, the Soviet Communists succeeded in ‘sovietizing’ those Central Asian States by destroying their Islamic Statehood first described by Soviet Turcokologists as ‘Turkestan’ which the Uyghur secessionists belatedly want to revive as their own polity. But that issue is moot and academic because the USSR eventually recognized Xinjiang as part of China, as did ALL of its Central Asian neighbors.

    One can make the argument that the Uyghurs are closer ethno-culturally to other Central Asians like Uzbeks, Kirghiz etc… of the nations of Central Asia than the Han Chinese.

    The Han Chinese and Hui Muslims became the majority inhabitants of the Xinjiang region after its annexation by the Qing Dynasty in the 17th century. Before then, Oirat Mongols who follow Tibetan Buddhism were the majority inhabitants of the Xinjiang region. Only after the Dungan Revolts in the mid-to-late 19th century did the Uyghurs move into Upper Xinjiang (Dzhungaria) from Lower Xinjiang (Tarim Basin), consisting of the Taklamakan Desert which is ringed by oases towns through which the ancient Silk Road passed through. The Uyghurs lived in those oases towns not in Xinjiang proper which was created by the Qing Dynasty. The Uyghur secessionists and their Western propagandists misrepresent the history and culture of Xinjiang which was Buddhist for most of its 2,000 year history. Only after the USSR invented the fake concept of ‘East Turkestan’ did the Uyghur secessionists started calling for their own Islamic State to be established in all of Xinjiang.

    Anyway, China is not interested in the Hindu-Muslim sectarian conflict in Kashmir which is now one of the most militarized regions on this planet. China is only interested in settling its border dispute with India, in the Western, Middle and Eastern sections of their common border, which should have been demarcated as early as 1960. That would have prevented the 1962 Sino-Indian War with all the acrimony that ensued thereafter. Those border r