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It’s impossible to understand the resumption of the JCPOA nuclear talks in Vienna without considering the serious inner turbulence of the Biden administration.

Everyone and his neighbor are aware of Tehran’s straightforward expectations: all sanctions – no exceptions – must be removed in a verifiable manner. Only then will the Islamic Republic reverse what it terms ‘remedial measures,’ that is, ramping up its nuclear program to match each new American ‘punishment.’

The reason Washington isn’t tabling a similarly transparent position is because its economic circumstances are, bizarrely, far more convoluted than Iran’s under sanctions. Joe Biden is now facing a hard domestic reality: if his financial team raises interest rates, the stock market will crash and the US will be plunged into deep economic distress.

Panicked Democrats are even considering the possibility of allowing Biden’s own impeachment by a Republican majority in the next Congress over the Hunter Biden scandal.

According to a top, non-partisan US national security source, there are three things the Democrats think they can do to delay the final reckoning:

First, sell some of the stock in the Strategic Oil Reserve in coordination with its allies to drive oil prices down and lower inflation.

Second, ‘encourage’ Beijing to devalue the yuan, thus making Chinese imports cheaper in the US, “even if that materially increases the US trade deficit. They are offering trading the Trump tariff in exchange.” Assuming this would happen, and that’s a major if, it would in practice have a double effect, lowering prices by 25 percent on Chinese imports in tandem with the currency depreciation.

Third, “they plan to make a deal with Iran no matter what, to allow their oil to re-enter the market, driving down the oil price.” This would imply the current negotiations in Vienna reaching a swift conclusion, because “they need a deal quickly. They are desperate.”

There is no evidence whatsoever that the team actually running the Biden administration will be able to pull off points two and three; not when the realities of Cold War 2.0 against China and bipartisan Iranophobia are considered.

Still, the only issue that really worries the Democratic leadership, according to the intel source, is to have the three strategies get them through the mid-term elections. Afterwards, they may be able to raise interest rates and allow themselves time for some stabilization before the 2024 presidential ballot.

So how are US allies reacting to it? Quite intriguing movements are in the cards.

When in doubt, go multilateral

Less than two weeks ago in Riyadh, the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC), in a joint meeting with France, Germany and the UK, plus Egypt and Jordan, told the US Iran envoy Robert Malley that for all practical purposes, they want the new JCPOA round to succeed.

A joint statement, shared by Europeans and Arabs, noted “a return to mutual compliance with the [nuclear deal] would benefit the entire Middle East, allow for more regional partnerships and economic exchange, with long-lasting implications for growth and the well-being of all people there, including in Iran.”

This is far from implying a better understanding of Iran’s position. It reveals, in fact, the predominant GCC mindset ruled by fear: something must be done to tame Iran, accused of nefarious “recent activities” such as hijacking oil tankers and attacking US soldiers in Iraq.

So this is what the GCC is volunteering to the Americans. Now compare it with what the Russians are proposing to several protagonists across West Asia.

Essentially, Moscow is reviving the Collective Security Concept for the Persian Gulf Region, an idea that has been simmering since the 1990s. Here is what the concept is all about.

So if the US administration’s reasoning is predictably short-term – we need Iranian oil back in the market – the Russian vision points to systemic change.

The Collective Security Concept calls for true multilateralism – not exactly Washington’s cup of tea – and “the adherence of all states to international law, the fundamental provisions of the UN Charter and the resolutions of the UN Security Council.”

All that is in direct contrast with the imperial “rules-based international order.”

It’s too far-fetched to assume that Russian diplomacy per se is about to accomplish a miracle: an entente cordiale between Tehran and Riyadh.

Yet there’s already tangible progress, for instance, between Iran and the UAE. Iranian Deputy Foreign Minister Ali Bagheri held a “cordial meeting” in Dubai with Anwar Gargash, senior adviser to UAE President Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan. According to Bagheri, they “agreed to open a new page in Iran-UAE relations.”

Geopolitically, Russia holds the definitive ace: it maintains good relationships with all actors in the Persian Gulf and beyond, talks to all of them frequently, and is widely respected as a mediator by Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Lebanon, and other GCC members.

Russia also offers the world’s most competitive and cutting edge military hardware to underpin the security needs of all the parties.

And then there’s the overarching, new geopolitical reality. Russia and Iran are forging a strengthened strategic partnership, not only geopolitical but also geoeconomic, fully aligned to the Russian-conceptualized Greater Eurasian Partnership – and also demonstrated by Moscow’s support for Iran’s recent ascension to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), the only West Asian state to be admitted thus far.

Furthermore, three years ago Iran launched its own regional security framework proposal for the region called HOPE (the Hormuz Peace Endeavor) with the intent to convene all eight littoral states of the Persian Gulf (including Iraq) to address and resolve the vital issues of cooperation, security, and freedom of navigation.

The Iranian plan didn’t get far off the ground. While Iran suffers from adversarial relations with some of its intended audience, Russia carries none of that baggage.

The $5.4 trillion game

And that brings us to the essential Pipelineistan angle, which in the Russia–Iran case revolves around the new, multi-trillion dollar Chalous gas field in the Caspian Sea.

A recent sensationalist take painted Chalous as enabling Russia to “secure control over the European energy market.”


That’s hardly the story. Chalous, in fact, will enable Iran – with Russian input – to become a major gas exporter to Europe, something that Brussels evidently relishes. The head of Iran’s KEPCO, Ali Osouli, expects a “new gas hub to be formed in the north to let the country supply 20 percent of Europe’s gas needs.”

According to Russia’s Transneft, Chalous alone could supply as much as 52 percent of natural gas needs of the whole EU for the next 20 years.

Chalous is quite something: a twin-field site, separated by roughly nine kilometers, the second-largest natural gas block in the Caspian Sea, just behind Alborz. It may hold gas reserves equivalent to one-fourth of the immense South Pars gas field, placing it as the 10th largest gas reserves in the world.

Chalous happens to be a graphic case of Russia-Iran-China (RIC) geoeconomic cooperation. Proverbial western speculative spin rushed to proclaim the 20-year gas deal as a setback for Iran. The final breakdown, not fully confirmed, is 40 percent for Gazprom and Transneft, 28 percent for China’s CNPC and CNOOC, and 25 percent for Iran’s KEPCO.

Moscow sources confirm Gazprom will manage the whole project. Transneft will be in charge of transportation, CNPC is involved in financing and banking facilities, and CNOOC will be in charge of infrastructure and engineering.

The whole Chalous site has been estimated to be worth a staggering $5.4 trillion.

Iran could not possibly have the funds to tackle such a massive enterprise by itself. What is definitely established is that Gazprom offered KEPCO all the necessary technology in exploration and development of Chalous, coupled with additional financing, in return for a generous deal.

Crucially, Moscow also reiterated its full support for Tehran’s position during the current JCPOA round in Vienna, as well as in other Iran-related issues reaching the UN Security Council.

The fine print on all key Chalous aspects may be revealed in time. It’s a de facto geopolitical/geoeconomic win-win-win for the Russia, Iran, China strategic partnership. And it reaches way beyond the famous “20-year agreement” on petrochemicals and weapons sales clinched by Moscow and Tehran way back in 2001, in a Kremlin ceremony when President Putin hosted then Iranian President Mohammad Khatami.

There’s no two ways about it. If there is one country with the necessary clout, tools, sweeteners and relationships in place to nudge the Persian Gulf into a new security paradigm, it is Russia – with China not far behind.

(Republished from The Cradle by permission of author or representative)
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  1. Anon62 says:

    For all of the reasons given by Escobar, and their positive effects on the region, the Great Satan will connive to the utmost to prevent any such rapprochment and beneficial economic development.

    • Agree: nokangaroos, Cuffy
    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Arthur MacBride
  2. Frankly all I see is further mounting tension, without any deescalation in sight.
    The 5th Fleet are sitting in a bathtub with water not covering their privates,
    literally surrounded by Shia (there´s a reason the Gulf is called “Persian”)
    who no doubt have nothing but their best interests in mind, but cannot leave
    because Kuwait, Bahrain and the “Saudi” oil fields would be Iranian overnight
    and losing the ability to blackmail Germany, Japan and China would mean losing
    the ability to print $$$, which in turn would necessitate giving up further bases which in turn …

    Ad 1) The SPR is a cheap bluff and has been waved a few times too often;
    traditionally the US have welcomed oil price inflation because it hurt Germany, Japan
    and China more than those who print the money so it seems they finally overplayed
    their hand in this regard.

    Ad 2) The US have traditionally accused China of suppressing the Yüan;
    forcing them to devalue now would not only not come cheap in terms of concessions,
    it would lay terminal waste to US production, forcing them to bomb countries only to sell them soy (and precious little else). Is this satire?

    Ad 3) Israel will never allow the JCPOA to be resuscitated, and the US won´t back
    down on their acts of war so there´s no danger of that;
    whatever increases Iran´s security and leverage is to be welcomed, but it makes
    the Izzies hysterical (on second thought that´s not a bug 😛 ).

    – The only ones to really feel the pain from rising gas prices are the White Flighters,
    and I´m sure Brandon´s base commiserate appropriately.

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
    , @El Dato
  3. Here we see the gov’ts of the world all wanting to control a fuel source, to extract more of it, while at the same time they all condemn it because of the CO2 nonsense. Could one say they are talking out of both sides of their mouths?

    All this squabbling over gas / oil at a time when the transportation sector is converting to electricity and laws are being passes specifically to convert as much of the energy needs to electrical only options. The push is for electricity to take over almost exclusively where practical.

    Nuclear seems never to get the attention it deserves. Small Modular Reactors (SMR) could provide clean electrical power where needed allowing for micro grids to augment the dilapidated national grid. These newer designs can burn what is today considered nuclear waste, thus providing a ready source of fuel to power them. Thorium is so abundant in the earth’s crust that a thousand years worth is readily accessible near term.

    It’s almost as though the gov’t of the world don’t want to find a real solution to the worlds energy needs if it means that their constant war mongering and sanctions would suffer from no longer being relevant.

  4. @nokangaroos

    Item #3 surprised me too. Looks like we may soon find out exactly how much influence the Aparthed state really has with the current Administration.

    A couple of random thoughts – are the Russians going to be happy with a reduced oil price? They are the second largest producer in the world. Also, why not lay off Venezuela? Or has the oil industry in that nation been so crippled that it couldn’t quickly increase exports?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
  5. @Zachary Smith

    The Russians always like them high oil prices, but this time they are an anti-European cabal.
    Venezuela is in disrepair, yes; but their oil does not lend itself to
    rapid substitution anyway. Even Izzy influence is beside the point by now imho.

    This is going to be purely monetary; the American Rampage ™ rests on their ability to export inflation i.e. to force others at gunpoint to exchange actual value for greenbacks
    (like they did to Japan in 1987); if de-dollarization is fast enough their only
    recourse will be to go to war again – and not a little one at that.

  6. @RoatanBill

    No wonder once we agree that governments are nothing more than crime syndicates.
    Thanks for this all encompassing energy analysis.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  7. No mention of Israel – joke of the year! They are the small print, right? Or is this a survival strategy on part of the author?
    Russia has more important things to think about. Namely, the ‘security makeover’ that’s happening in the Ukraine, Poland-Belarus, the Baltic states, the Balkans + the Black Sea. If they cannot guarantee security for themselves in regions that are basically at their doorstep, the Persian Gulf makeover is irrelevant.
    The Arabs are notoriously unreliable partners, especially oil sheikhs under foreign domination. So let’s wait and see how this is going to work out.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
    , @Z-man
  8. Athena says:

    TAPI VS IPI pipelines (?)

    Where the Rome-Paris Axis Is Taking Us
    (excerpts, emphasis added)

    Italy and France undertake to “strengthen European defense capabilities, thus also working for the consolidation of the European pillar of NATO”. As Draghi stressed in tune with Washington, one must build “a true European defense, which of course is complementary to NATO, not a substitute: a stronger Europe makes a stronger NATO.” In order to pay for both NATO and Europe’s defense, a colossal increase in Italian military spending, which already exceeds 70 million euros per day, will be necessary.

    ”Officially deployed in this region for the “fight against terrorism”, in reality it is deployed to control one of the richest areas in strategic raw materials exploited by US and European multinationals, whose oligopoly is threatened by political changes in Africa and the economic presence of China.

    In this way, according to the Treaty of the Quirinale, Italy and France together “contribute to the maintenance of international peace and security, as well as the protection and promotion of human rights”.”

    • Replies: @GMC
    , @Z-man
    , @anon
  9. Athena says:

    The Dangerous Alliance of Rothschild and the Vatican of Francis

    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  10. Aedib says:

    Chalous gas will go East (mostly to India and China). Russia and Iran are feed up with NATOstan hypocrisy. Western Europe is economically, culturally and ethnically dying.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  11. Realist says:

    It’s almost as though the gov’t of the world don’t want to find a real solution to the worlds energy needs if it means that their constant war mongering and sanctions would suffer from no longer being relevant.

    Indeed, the energy crisis is just another narrative (tool) used to control the populace of Western civilization…so the two or three percent can subjugate the rest.

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
  12. GMC says:

    Good point. I believe that the EU and their partners in crime are printing out Euros as fast as the Americans are Dollars, so there is no way the 29 countries can stay afloat , if they actually had to come up with all this military funding. If the true economics were told , even the IMF and World bank would be broke , just like some of the other Western banks that have embezzled, and Embezzled until their local staff have been cut in half. They are all Liars, Thieves and ConMen. The only thing that save them is a scam that is much bigger, than what they have pulled off.

    • Agree: CelestiaQuesta
  13. @RoatanBill

    Yes, there’s more than a faint skunk like smell here with the magnitude of the hypocrisy……

  14. @Well, yes, BUT..................

    You are unbelievably wrong for saying the Arabs have been unreliable partners. They have been faithful and they know they have no alternatives.
    In the natural world there are many parasites, but it’s only in our human species we find a small tribal specie that wants to suck our blood.

  15. @Joe Levantine

    Given that France has been an example of how to do 1st generation (shitty) nuclear right for decades, one has to wonder why gov’ts are moving toward the ridiculous solar and especially wind based energy sources now that we have much better nuclear designs. If one were a cynic, one might opine that gov’ts don’t care about the citizenry but will do whatever is best for the interests of the political class and corporations bribing them.

    As usual, the US has laws against common sense that make testing new reactor designs basically illegal and therefore US companies are starting to put test reactors into foreign lands. The Chinese are far ahead since they’re not stupid and some day the freezing US population will be purchasing SMR’s from China.

    I doubt Texas has added the necessary heaters to all their wind turbines, so soon we may have an instant replay of last winter’s disaster there.

    If there’s a stupid decision to be made, you can bet the world’s political class will invariably target it as their first option. The really sad part is that the majority vote in elections that just install the next set of criminals. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  16. @RoatanBill

    If the govt clowns are going to force the “green revolution” including EVs down our throats, SMRs will be an absolute necessity.

    For some reason nobody seems interested in thorium — so the price of uranium is sure to rise. Am I right about this?

    Or will there not be enough people power consuming power for this to happen?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  17. @Ralph B. Seymour

    Gov’t actually wants you and me to not own a vehicle, since we are deplorable peons. We’re supposed to bicycle or call Uber. You will own nothing and be happy.

    For the record, I’m pro solar for homes and businesses where it can provide all or a significant part of the energy the structure uses. I’m not in favor of massive solar farms run by corporations that want to keep the national grid alive and to control energy access and prices.

    I’m not a fan of wind under most circumstances. In some rare case where someone has a home in a windy northern area where solar doesn’t work all that well, then OK. Wind farms are a scam. They cost too much are an environmental issue and at end of life what does one do with huge turbine blades made of toxic chemicals? This is again a control mechanism to keep energy in the hands of corporations to control access and cost.

    The national grid is an anachronism. It should have disappeared decades ago when small nuclear reactors were invented for submarines and especially after the MSRE (Molten Salt Reactor Experiment) showed that Thorium is the way to go. That was the mid to late 1960’s. If gov’t would get out of the way, we’d have safe nuclear reactors powering small communities where 10-100MW units would be deployed. For larger cities, 100-1000MW units would provide power and redundancy. For the largest cities, banked SMR’s could scale to the GW range as needed and all running on local grids using new infrastructure protected from solar storms.

    I’m pro pure EV vehicles. Electric motors are simpler, way more efficient in energy consumption, have almost no maintenance requirements and can use non fossil fuel derived energy. The average home owner can have a solar installation provide 100% of his energy needs, including vehicle needs. I wouldn’t own a hybrid. I’ll add that I’m against gov’t (in general) subsidizing EV sales or in any way pushing EV on to the consumer. The handwriting is on the wall – ICE vehicles are largely going to disappear within the next 10 years, relegating auto dealerships, auto mechanics, engine/transmission parts suppliers, truck drivers almost obsolete. That’s progress, like it or not. Norway is already 90% EV in new sales.

    Uranium will continue being used to fuel existing dinosaur reactors. Some will be used in newer reactor designs but many of those designs can also use Thorium or a mix. Once we get to MSR variants, Thorium has the advantage via the physics and it’s cost, since it is currently a nuisance byproduct of traditional mining. The US has 100 years worth of Thorium buried in barrels in the Nevada desert given current consumption. Uranium mining is mostly a primary focus endeavor whereas Thorium just happens to show up as a byproduct, so there are many more miners that can produce Thorium than Uranium and Thorium is at least three times as abundant in the earths crust.

    The Uranium market is controlled to provide the current Uranium fuel producers with a lock on profitability. The existing Uranium infrastructure corporations hate the idea of MSR’s in general since they are no longer needed in that space. You can bet that bribery will keep Uranium around for a long time, especially since DOD wants it for the Plutonium byproduct for their bombs. Its price is largely a rounding error when considering the cost to run a power plant, so it could rise significantly before showing up in utility bills and probably will rise.

  18. @RoatanBill

    So you think MSR will be adopted in future?

    Is the cost of building and maintaining a Thorium reactor the same as Uranium?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. @Ralph B. Seymour

    MSR technology is so good and so bullet proof that gov’t will somehow prevent adoption for as long as possible.

    In the end, MSR’s will power the bulk of the planet. This flirtation with wind and solar on a grand scale is going to backfire spectacularly; already is. The idiocy of biomass, converting CO2 to fuel and other lunatic projects are all being done for the gov’t money that can be scammed from the stupid and / or corrupt that hand out the grants.

    Individual solar, wind, and other minor technologies will be common at the tiny scale of a house or business. MSR’s will power industry and cities with concentrations of housing that can’t be powered efficiently with anything else. At the end of the day, it’s the cost of the energy that wins and properly done nuclear can’t be beat at scale.

    When a country wants to be competitive on the world stage, they must use the most efficient and least cost source of energy and that is properly done nuclear fission. Fusion may never happen commercially for strength of materials reasons.

    • Agree: Realist
  20. Realist says:

    That’s progress, like it or not. Norway is already 90% EV in new sales.

    Norway is a tiny country with five million people…and tremendous hydroelectric power generation.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  21. @Realist

    Norway is also a huge exporter of oil. They have natural energy abundance and can choose which way to go and they chose to go EV. The year over year sales figures world wide are strong and new manufacturers are entering the market to compete.

    EV adoption is hampered by range anxiety, charging convenience and time and the up front cost for the vehicle. There are several models available in China with over 1000km of range. Batteries are coming on line with significant charging capacity in 15 minutes. The cost for batteries is falling year after year. It’s just a matter of time before these current negatives are overcome.

    From my perspective, nothing is going to stop EV’s from becoming the vehicle of choice for the average person, especially those that have charging infrastructure available at home or at work. The running and maintenance costs for an EV are a fraction of an ICE vehicle and is probably why GM lost over 300 Cadillac dealerships because they wanted no part of EV sales; they can’t make any recurring maintenance money on EV’s.

    • Replies: @Realist
  22. No mention of Israel? ‘US” policy will be decided in Tel Aviv and put into practise by Brandon’s kosher regime. Indeed, Israeli efforts to undermine ANY agreement between the various Amalekites in the region will probably include an attack on Iran, if things are going well with ‘negotiations’.

    • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
  23. @RoatanBill

    Solar and wind are more easily localised in the poor world, thereby avoiding the expense of transmission from large centralised power plants.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  24. @Aedib

    And now the German Greens, long since turned fascist, are vowing to ‘get tough on China’. The bimbo who will masquerade as German Foreign Minister must strike fear into the hearts of the Chinese. It’s the Lithuanisation of the EU-what could possibly go wrong? Rule by hereditary Baltic fascists and ENTHUSIASTIC Jew-killers, so much so that they outraged even the SS.

    • Agree: Aedib
  25. @RoatanBill

    They cost too much are an environmental issue and at end of life what does one do with huge turbine blades made of toxic chemicals?

    I suspect the manufacturers and users of the giant turbines have been ignoring the problem of disposal for the simple reason nobody has called them out on the issue.

    The things are really large, and for all I know the link image is a runt. My very first thought was to use explosive cord:

    That would surely work, but I’ve no idea if it would be the least costly solution.

    Another idea: require every Wind Farm to install a dedicated disposal facility. This might include a long and narrow but deep pool of water which has a track on the side with a huge movable diamond/carbide saw blade. The cutting would be below the water surface and suppress the toxic fiberglass dust.

    Just guessing now, but what about an oxygen lance? I’ve watched millwrights cut through a solid 8″ diameter chunk of steel in a very few minutes.

    In the massive but low-tech arena would be a guillotine or chopper. I can imagine scaling up a paper cutter device. The massive falling/rotating blade would have whatever weight was necessary to do the job. Would several hundred tons be enough? Heavy duty structures can be fragile if struck just the right way. Several years ago I recall reading about destroying battle tanks by using a crane to drop enormous steel balls directly on the top of their turret.

    After the blade somehow gets chopped up, melt the pieces in an on-site electric furnace. Situated within or alongside the Wind Farm, you’ve got all the cheap electricity you need. The resulting chunks would be quite compact, and might or might not have a value in the recycling industry. Big deal if they don’t!

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  26. Seraphim says:

    The ‘Great Satan’ connives all the time to the utmost to put spokes in the wheels of the Russian troika. He didn’t succeed to well so far to stop it and there are no reasons to believe that he will ever succeed.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  27. Jiminy says:

    I’m reading this article while scratching my head thinking what was COP21 for then. Was a steady, affordable supply of gas for decades to come really their objective? I remember reading somewhere that the massive offshore wind farm at Dogger Banks, UK was going to be an expensive white elephant. And yet elsewhere they say it’s power should become as cheap as coal. Here a lot of subsidisation goes on with different aspects of the coal industry. But if coal is cheap then why is electricity so expensive.
    Even though electric cars have less moving parts so they should be cheaper to maintain, I’m sure they are dearer to recharge when compared to what is paid per litre of fuel. It’s good if you have a solar roof array, otherwise you’re at the mercy of the power company. Obviously if the cost of fuel is inflated sky high, as in the direction that it’s travelling now in the US, then people will be happy to change over. Life is just becoming so complicated.

  28. A gaping omission of this optimistic piece is that of the real power broker by virtue of its absolute control of US and Western European ME policy: Israel. Without the puppeteer’s permission, the puppets are powerless to move forward.

  29. The illegitimate babbling buffoon will most certainly get us into a war with Russia, Iran and China to give the final blow to their overpopulation agenda, regardless of collateral damage it causes to the greater population. We are just fodder in their one world order reset.
    Once you understand your fate in their depopulation agenda, you’ll understand why you’re force to submit to endless FrankenClot shots.
    You are either with humanity or against it.
    It’s yours to choose.

  30. Miro23 says:

    It’s useful the way Escobar checks off the key players. The interaction between energy suppliers and energy buyers, their current needs and future planning.

    What stands out is that Asia needs a lot more energy than it did it did previously and that Western Europe is currently experiencing a serious energy shortage.

    Like he says, that have to do deals with the big energy suppliers (Russia, Iran, Gulf States) involving massive new investment, technology and new infrastructure. One way or another Russian and Iranian gas has to reach Western Europe and Asia. The Gulf States have to reevaluate their position. For example China is already the biggest buyer of Saudi oil.

    Notably it’s a party where the US isn’t invited.

    Russia and China between them can provide all the finance, technology and infrastructure required and they have good relations in the various regions. Even the Gulf States are accepting reality by opening conversations with Iran and reorientation themselves towards Asian demand.

    The US is reduced to spoiling tactics. Stealing Syrian and Iraqi oil here and there, trying to provoke divisions and conflict (Russia – Europe in Ukraine, Middle East in Iran and Sunni/Shia, China – Europe in Taiwan) and generally throwing sand in the works.

    Then there’s that overarching question of the US dollar that Escobar touches on.

    If it’s all happening outside the US orbit, then what’s the point of using the US dollar? It’s international role (reserve currency) is a historical anachronism and realistically it needs to go back to being the internal currency of the United States alone – rather like the Pound Sterling in the UK after the disappearance of the British Empire.

    No one believes any longer in the “Full Faith and Trust of the US Government” backing the dollar, given QE1, 2, 3, 4…. so when the rest of the world decides to dispense with it, it’ll have to find it’s true value based on massive oversupply and US economic performance alone = not worth much = inflation.

    Asian exporters to the US want to be paid in real money, so they’ll either increase their prices or just stop supplying.

    This seems to be the root of the US political panic. No one is any longer interested in their fantasy Empire (“rules based international order”) and when the dollar goes, then so does the US financial system in a generalized collapse (since the QE’s mostly inflated speculative bubbles).

    • Agree: Anon62
    • Thanks: Emerging Majority
  31. El Dato says:

    – The only ones to really feel the pain from rising gas prices are the White Flighters, and I´m sure Brandon´s base commiserate appropriately.


    The whole economic network is very transport and infrastructure intensive, and the energy to run that doesn’t come from thousands of nuclear power plants dotting the lands.

    Quite apart from the fact that crude is a MAJOR MAJOR input to all sort of industries where it is not burnt but used in producing other stuff.

  32. “Russia also offers the world’s most competitive and cutting edge military hardware to underpin the security needs of all the parties.”

    But do those monkeys know how to use the “cutting edge military hardware”? It’s like the chinaman, he steals “his” technology from the West and makes copies but would he be able to stand up to the White boys when the push comes to shove … the brown vermin are no different from the yellow insects in bragging.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
    , @Maddaugh
  33. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As I said, solar is ideal for a small installation. Every home should have solar on the roof where the sunshine makes it viable. Wind is much more problematic. Turbines require maintenance for the bearings that get torn up by shifting wind patterns. In severe wind conditions, the turbine has to be capable of changing the blade pitch automatically so it won’t get damaged. That is an expensive feature and not found on small units.

    In general wind power is more trouble than it’s worth IMHO. The towers are ugly, the noise that’s generated can be considered a form of torture to some people, the blades collide with birds, etc. Solar has none of these drawbacks.

    What you’re referring to is an off grid installation. If one has the necessary roof area or ground mount space, solar is the perfect option for decades of reliable quiet power with panel maintenance limited to washing off the dirt that accumulates.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  34. @RoatanBill

    Here we see the gov’ts of the world all wanting …

    Which “governments” are you referring to? The nominal or the actual ones?

    The following thoughts are probably worth considering.

    I’m paraphrasing her comments.:

    48:00 Fitts: Here’s what you need to understand about the government. There is no government
    The government does not have [either information or] financial sovereignty…[it’s dependent on the bankers.]
    49:00 She starts her “red button story.” It’s worth listening for a few minutes to what she’s saying.

    Catherine Austin Fitts with Jorn Luka The Trueman Show 51

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
    , @RoatanBill
  35. @Zachary Smith

    You’re worried about how to cut up a blade to make it a more manageable unit for further processing. The blades are layers of epoxy, fiberglass, carbon fiber, and other more exotic materials that are themselves toxic in the environment. The last thing you want to do is cut these things up increasing the surface area exposed to the environment.

    Chemical processing could liberate the fibers leaving a remnant epoxy sludge to be disposed of. High temperature burning could physically make it disappear, but the fumes would be frowned upon by the EPA. The fibers can’t be reused so no matter what you do, you end up with something no one wants. So far, burying them whole has been the best option; ridiculous, but best.

    The only way wind power makes sense is if you ignore or minimize the overall package shortcomings. To me, wind power proponents are the finance types that want to package an offering, sell it to the rubes and move on before the SHTF. Wind power is just another opportunity for Wall St. to manufacture a financial product and sell it with no regard for long term consequences.

  36. @Fart Blossom

    Here’s another person saying essentially the same thing.

    Again I’m paraphrasing…

    3:58 Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: I have known that [here in Germany] our judiciary is ineffective when it comes to large global corporations ..

  37. @Fart Blossom

    I’m a fan of Catherine Austin Fitts. I’ve mentioned her research on this site many times. I understand what she’s alluding to, as do most folks on this site.

    Language becomes a problem when dealing with gov’t. Gov’t is the only actual shape shifter I know of. It’s loaded up with the honorable this or that, a president, prime minister or queen, but these people are the highest level of criminality in the society. The word criminal applied to the political class is outside that word’s actual definition, because these people are almost never convicted of anything and hence aren’t technically criminals. But they are criminals if one uses common sense to evaluate their machinations.

    One has to use the language available for communications. I blame the gov’t for absolutely all the ills in the society since they condone them and profit by them. They also control the police and military that is used to suppress any physical dissent, planned or actual. We all know the finance types run the gov’t from one angle and the military types run it from their angle. Combined, they encompass the major corporations and huge swaths of the population that depend on the current system to survive. That’s why the only solution is to kill the Dollar. Once the Dollar has no value, all the rats will abandon their posts and the “government” evaporates.

    That’s why I’m an anarchist. There is no such thing as good gov’t, at least not for long. It always turns into a highly profitable criminal enterprise where the best criminals are protected by the system of laws and procedures they invent and the dolts vote for to continue.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @Fart Blossom
  38. @Chinaman's Nightmare

    It’s like the chinaman, he steals “his” technology from the West …

    Oh he does, does he?

    It’s much more likely that certain players in “the West” hand it to them. Please work to examine who funded the various “Communist” movements of the last century. Long story short, the Reds had no need to steal a thing.

    The next question is who gave it all to them, and by now the answer should be obvious. The answer will also tell you who’s been stealing from the rest of us for a long time, and it will also become clear that the biggest transfer of wealth, ever, to the criminals is taking place under our noses under the cover of covid.

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  39. WJ says:

    You write of “electric” as if it is a fundamental energy source. In the USA 80 percent of electricity comes from natural gas or coal. Some from oil. Your EV will be a nat gas powered vehicle for the foreseeable future. Nuclear is by far the best option for the world but insane wokeness will prevent it.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  40. Z-man says:
    @Well, yes, BUT..................

    The Arabs are notoriously unreliable partners…

    The key here is the ‘Idiot savant’ gorilla currently running Saudi Arabia. He seems to admire/like Putin so maybe the Russians could get a Saudi-Iranian détente which, with Chinese money, could lead to progress and peace.
    Like someone else said the ‘great Satan’, the Anglo Zionist Empire, could throw a monkey wrench into this. That wrench could be as simple as an assassination, as sleazy/tricky as another Epstein-Gizz-laine affair or as complicated as the most intricate Cold War escapade.
    As always …‘Beware The Power of The Cabal.

  41. Realist says:

    Norway is also a huge exporter of oil. They have natural energy abundance and can choose which way to go and they chose to go EV.

    That is exactly my point…the vast majority of countries do not have that luxury.

    EV adoption is hampered by range anxiety, charging convenience and time and the up front cost for the vehicle.

    The anxiety is not unwarranted…those things are real.

    It’s just a matter of time before these current negatives are overcome.

    As I have said before…Love the concept…hate the current reality.

    From my perspective, nothing is going to stop EV’s from becoming the vehicle of choice for the average person, especially those that have charging infrastructure available at home or at work.

    Too early to say…a lot of advancements have to happen before EVs are feasible.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  42. Z-man says:

    The right wing in Italy has already protested about this as France will always want to take the lead (be the ‘senior’ partner).
    One casualty of this ‘agreement’ could be the Tempest jet program with the UK. Italy should stay with the UK and Sweden on the development of this new fighter and Germany should join also. Screw the French! (Grin)

  43. @RoatanBill

    Agree with respect to thorium and MSRs. Not convinced yet that full electric cars are at a reasonable price point, and will look into what size home solar installtion would be necessary to charge it. If it’s viable, I’ll discuss it with my son, who shares the property with me and seeing as I’m now 75 is better suited to deciding upon future investments and administration of the property. Well presented comments for which I thank you.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @RoatanBill
  44. @WJ

    You write of “electric” as if it is a fundamental energy source.

    I don’t believe that’s true given I spent time in the electrical power generation industry. It took me almost 6 years to write a software application that monitored New York City’s Con Edison power plants for how to use coal, gas and oil as efficiently as possible. I know where electricity comes from and it is certainly not a primary energy source.

    I didn’t invent the political push to eliminate all but electricity from new home construction in many areas. I had nothing to do with the evolving conversion of transportation to electric motors instead of internal combustion engines. The market in general has looked upon electricity as the ultimate solution for providing energy where needed. It is the ignorant market / population that thinks this can all happen without looking at where that energy is going to come from.

    I have no need for a 2nd vehicle at the moment, but if I did, I’d like it to be an EV connected to my solar setup. Electricity is just shy of US $0.40/kWh on the island, so it makes sense to go energy independent.

    The US power grid is an embarrassment. It is so far out of date and delayed maintenance that the smart money should be looking to bypass it with new local grids and SMR’s. I applaud the EV push because its better technology and it will help crater the national grid to wake people up to how they’ve been systematically defrauded over decades. It will be the 2X4 upside the head people desperately need.

    All I’m trying to point out is that nuclear is the only viable option and it had better be done right this time. Gov’t is THE chief stumbling block in allowing technological progress to provide clean cheap safe electrical power.

    • Replies: @Old Brown Fool
  45. Maddaugh says:
    @Chinaman's Nightmare

    But do those monkeys know how to use the “cutting edge military hardware”? It’s like the chinaman, he steals “his” technology from the West and makes copies but would he be able to stand up to the White boys when the push comes to shove … the brown vermin are no different from the yellow insects in bragging.

    China has never discovered anything worthwhile in its 4000 year history. Henry Ford had long been eaten up by the worms when China got its first car….from the USA ! What, our first railroad was in 1829 and theirs was in 1884, designed by the British. These people were still using sedan chairs long after we were chilling in padded seats.

    Even the chopstick was adopted when a Chinaman saw a monkey using a twig to get ants from a nest. They still have not discovered the knife and fork. Today, Chinese hawkers still use an abacus in their shops and you have to check your change as even that is incorrect. All their technology is white and stolen.

    The white boys already pushed the Gooks back out of S/Korea even with our logistics stretching from the West Coast.Even here on UR, the Chink troupe hunger to hang with us. How many whites are even aware of or even want to comment on sleazy Chinese sites.

    That is why I advise the Slope cabal here on UR to start practising kow towing and getting in touch with their inner servants. Whitey rules and in the next rock and roll session, China may well become the biggest supplier of liquid glass. They exist to serve and are destined to be our slaves and that is all there is to it.

  46. @Fart Blossom

    Jews! Was it the word you were searching for but were unwilling to risk jotting it down for fear of the Big Brother looking over your shoulders?

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
  47. Maddaugh says:


    I enjoy your comments BUT I want to be the devils;s advocate and say that you also live under a government system and one no doubt that is corrupt.

    How do you reconcile being an anarchist and your lifestyle with that.

    Looking forward to your answer.


    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  48. Maddaugh says:


    Can you give me a triangulation of the three towns in your area of residence. in Argentina I would like to get an idea of what the area is like.

    Thanks/ M

  49. @Realist

    I haven’t run the numbers, but my gut instinct tells me that a given quantity of fossil fuel energy (BTU) used to generate the electricity an EV uses will propel it further than the same amount of fossil fuel energy when used in an ICE vehicle. The thermodynamic efficiency of your average ICE is miserable. Power plants are much more efficient at the energy conversion and EV motors are incredibly efficient.

    I bet the average person has no idea that running an EV saves a significant amount of money on just fuel usage.

    If people really understood all the pros and cons, many might just discount their need for high range. The near zero routine maintenance for an EV is why car dealerships don’t want to sell them. The repair expenses on ICE vehicles should be calculated in to the overall cost of the vehicle. It is expected that EV’s will get double the mileage as their expected useful life. Lots of battery packs are rated near 500,000 miles.

    EV’s are feasible right now under the right circumstances. Once businesses offer charging, their employees will forget about range anxiety. If some of those 1000km Chinese vehicles become available outside China, that alone will change perception. Because 1000km EV’s exist means the competition also has to offer them to stay competitive.

    In the short term, the here and right now, you’re mostly correct. My guess is that 3 years from now, you’ll be wrong.

    • Replies: @Realist
  50. @Montefrío

    I’m biased. I’m an electrical engineer and can build multi kWh batteries, install solar and related infrastructure myself. To me, this is kid stuff. The average person is prey for land sharks in the solar space. I’ve read of installs that state the equipment used and the price paid and in most cases, the cost is outrageous and many times the equipment is second rate.

    The best panels are cheap and getting cheaper. Battery cells are available direct from China’s major manufacturers or through US consolidators for very reasonable costs. I suggest you get acquainted with
    OffGridGarageAustralia and WillProwse on YouTube and sign up on . Most of the books I’ve seen aren’t worth even the time to read them, but I’m coming from a different knowledge base. I suppose if one knows nothing about electricity then those books can contain valuable information. You might want to look for a solar enthusiast club in your area.

    Whatever you do, don’t go looking for solar without first getting at least a basic education. The solar sales people can smell a newbie from a mile off and they’ll skin you.

    • Replies: @nsa
  51. Sparkon says:

    the MSRE (Molten Salt Reactor Experiment) showed that Thorium is the way to go.

    Did it really? I don’t think so.

    Over the four years the MSR Experiment ran, the reactor had to be shut down 167 times between 1965 and 1969 because of unexpected technical problems.

    MSRs have numerous technological challenges standing in the way of their commercial operation, most notably the lack of any adequately durable materials that can operate satisfactorily over the long term in the molten salt environment, where the operational components of the MSR are exposed to chemically corrosive hot salts while being bombarded with radioactive particles.

    For a sober assessment of MSRs, please see:

    You wrote:

    I’m pro pure EV vehicles. Electric motors are simpler, way more efficient in energy consumption, have almost no maintenance requirements and can use non fossil fuel derived energy

    You didn’t mention the batteries, which are toxic to produce and almost impossible to extinguish when they burst into flame. As one source puts it,

    ” lithium-ion batteries are extremely sensitive to high temperatures and inherently flammable.”

    The headlong but dizzy rush to EVs in concert with increasing reliance on unreliable wind and solar underlines the myopia of the Green Blob, those misguided zealots who can’t see beyond the electrical outlet that provides them with what they think is “clean energy.”

    In fact, many major components of the brave new electrical infrastructure are dirty to extract, process and manufacture, a growing blight on the landscape, and a particular danger to birds, but the Green New Dealers can’t see that as their eyes are glued to Blackie Carbon as the big menace.

    ICE powered vehicles have reached a very high level of technological development in terms of safety and reliability. Most modern cars will easily run for 20 years and more with proper maintenance, so of course the auto manufacturers are delighted if they can get you to abandon your ICE car, which might run for decades, and buy an EV.

    By many accounts, we have remaining reserves of the so-called fossil fuels that will last for 100s of years. Other reserves may remain undiscovered. There is no real evidence that carbon dioxide (CO₂) plays any role in regulating Earth’s climate, certainly not the tiny 3% emitted by man’s activities, including our heavy breathing, which makes flowers smile everywhere.

    Psst: At least, that’s what I hear from “a top, non-partisan US national security source,” or something like that.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @dimples
  52. @Chinaman's Nightmare

    Jews! Was it the word you were searching for but were unwilling to risk jotting it down for fear of the Big Brother looking over your shoulders?

    Nah, I was not searching at all. There are plenty of goyim who are every bit as rotten as the rotten rabbis while there are plenty of decent jews. In fact, the rotten brutes at the top would get nowhere without both the active and passive support of their victims. We find both brutes and victims among the Jews as well as the goyim. Blaming “da Jews” alone is just plain lazy as is thinking the government is here to save us from our own failure to progress out of infancy and into responsible adulthood.

    Here’s just one example of a decent Jew and he’s quite awesome with regard to the global predators even though he still labors under some of the old mythology. I generally hate videos, but this I found interesting. Enjoy!

  53. @RoatanBill

    Well, we seem to agree on all the points you’re making, but I still insist on pointing the finger at the guilty parties rather than their agents, the governments.

    One reason is that people think that if we just change governments or reform it, then things will get better, and that is not the case for reasons you already know. I also think it’s lazy to use government as a whipping boy when the problem is deeper.

    You mentioned Fitts. She’s superb, and I just found another who says a lot of the same things that she and you say. The guy’s insights are spot on at least with regard to covid and the global pharmaceutical industry.

    • Agree: Nancy
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  54. Realist says:

    In the short term, the here and right now, you’re mostly correct. My guess is that 3 years from now, you’ll be wrong.

    I am absolutely okay with that. I am not wedded to the nostalgia of ICEs…as a scientist I am quite aware that science and technology march on. I really do like the concept.

    As a point of clarity…if EVs become feasible in three years…I will not be wrong, I never put a time period on feasibility.

    • Replies: @Ukraine Tiger
  55. @Maddaugh

    I’m an expat. I left the US 16 years ago and moved to Roatan Island, Honduras to be a more free individual. I’m also a white atheist, engineer, professional software developer that decided I didn’t want to live in the obvious police state being constructed after 9/11.

    Roatan Island is part of Honduras, but it isn’t Honduras if you catch my drift. It’s a tourist destination with an international airport, cruise ship docks, famous golf course, etc. There are thousands of US and Canadian expats living here full time. Google it.

    Every gov’t is corrupt. The difference is in how efficient any gov’t is in administrating their corruption. The US is the model all gov’ts want to emulate because most of the US population is propagandized to think they live in the best country in the world simply because most don’t have a passport and hence no frame of reference. Stockholm Syndrome is the prevalent condition in the US and is why people keep voting for their continued and increasing destitution.

    Smaller jurisdictions simply don’t have the resources to fulfill their dastardly desires. For example, no one is demanding I get vaxed. Taxes are largely collected via sales tax; nothing like an IRS exists. Vehicle insurance isn’t mandatory. Health insurance isn’t mandatory. There’s not a single traffic light on the island and one rarely sees a cop car. Honduras never invaded Afghanistan, Vietnam, etc, so hasn’t the need to suck the money out of the society to create poverty where wealth could otherwise exist.

    Just yesterday, the A/C turned itself off for the first time this season. It will mostly stay off till February when ambient temps go back up. The point is I’m not going to freeze to death because some asshole decided to shutdown a pipeline.

    All in all, no one is hounding me for anything. I’m pretty much free to live my life with minimal gov’t interference.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  56. @15 RoatanBill

    If there’s a stupid decision to be made, you can bet the world’s political class will invariably target it as their first option. The really sad part is that the majority vote in elections that just install the next set of criminals. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    “On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”
    H.L. Mencken

  57. Nancy says:

    It’s kind of like the Wizard of Oz… the gov is the wizard that has all the solutions… but until you pull bac”k the curtain, you never know who’s pulling the levers… and who WANTS you to focus on the Wiz.

    (I think you have to substitute ‘banksters for the Termite Talmuds to decipher the code that must be used to circumvent the Tyrant’s current censorship… well known to CA Fitts, who’s long fought that Tyrant.)

    ” I still insist on pointing the finger at the guilty parties rather than their agents, the governments. … it’s lazy to use government as a whipping boy when the problem is deeper.”

    (Like J. Taylor ginning up the viciousness of the them-us hatred… which sucks up all the anti-energy and curtains the visual screen…. thus protecting the real villains. Another clever tactic, in their strategy of total world dominance… tikkun olam, anyone ? IMO 🙂

    • Agree: Fart Blossom
  58. Sean says:

    American fracked gas is only profitable or able to pay its massive indebtedness when energy is high cost

    There’s no two ways about it. If there is one country with the necessary clout, tools, sweeteners and relationships in place to nudge the Persian Gulf into a new security paradigm, it is Russia – with China not far behind

    China has massive productive capacity and is going to have more. Iran and Russia have energy.

  59. @Sparkon

    The engineers on the MSRE project stated they shut the reactor down on weekends very often because they didn’t want to monitor it. Technical problems were expected since it was an experiment. Toward the end, the engineers deemed it a success.

    The metallurgical issues were mostly solved with the Hastelloy and other alloys. China is building two MSR right now with one for small scale commercial use. Would they be doing that if they didn’t have the materials issues under control?

    The EV battery makers are rapidly switching to LFP because it isn’t the fire hazard the older tech was.

    I’m not a greenie so I won’t comment on your rant except to say I agree with much of it.

    EV’s require so much less maintenance that dealers don’t want to sell them since they make most of their money from service. GM got rid of over 300 Cadillac dealers that wouldn’t sell EV’s. As a pilot, I know that with proper maintenance, machines can last near forever, but at what cost? I think everyone knows that at some point a typical ICE vehicle is no longer worth the money to keep it running. Maintenance is what terminates the useful life of vehicles and EV’s are projected to last twice as long because they aren’t based on explosion technology that has to translate longitudinal motion into circular motion.

    Fossil fuels are a valuable resource for their complex hydrocarbon content as feed stock for products. Burning them for their BTU content is a tremendous waste of that valuable resource. People wise up over time. Many think that oil is constantly being replenished via the abiotic oil hypothesis. This came about when the Russians drilled and found oil well below where rotted dinosaurs and vegetation were supposed to be the source for oil. The “fossil” nature of fossil fuels is in doubt.

    The CO2 scam has no input into my thinking positively for EV’s future.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  60. @Fart Blossom

    The bankers couldn’t be running their scam known as fiat currency if it weren’t for the gov’t forcing the population to use it via legal tender laws and swine known as cops and military to back up their edicts with the threat of force.

    It is gov’t that provides the fertile environment for the various scams to flourish. As such, they take a piece of every transaction as their fee. It’s the mafia model with flags and foreign consulates to coordinate with their fellow criminals.

    Every other scam requires fiat to support their efforts, so it is the funny money and gov’t violence at the root of every problem the US faces.

    • Replies: @Fart Blossom
    , @Bill Jones
  61. The zionist new world order, one world government needs in addition to the covid-19 scam and psyop, a world war to accomplish their agenda and to do this they have hung the Ukraine out on a limb as bait for the Russian bear and to make sure, they also have plans to attack Iran, this will bring on the nuclear war that they have wanted , as Russia will not let Iran fall, as they know this just a stepping stone into Russia.

    The zionists and there fellow international globalists believe that they can survive a nuclear war in their DUMBs aka deep underground military bases which they have throughout the ZUS and ZEU and Israel, however, they will find that these DUMB’s can be destroyed in a nuclear war, and in addition the results of a nuclear war will leave a devastated earth, but they may do it anyway, as they are destroyers and wreckers of nations.

  62. Maddaugh says:

    OK thanks for the reply. Keep up the good comments. I always enjoy them. I have a colleague who walked away from the Corporate world with a multi million dollar goodbye present. Deciding to take some time off he took a trip in North East Brazil up against the Guyana/ Suriname border.

    With the money to live ANYWHERE, he remained there in a remote community. He lives in a simple house, no running water, no electricity (kero lamps are used), no cell, internet, no Police etc. The Gumment is 10 hours by boat. Wardrobe is some shorts, some short sleeve shirts and sandals. A very very simple lifestyle.

    As he says, he can do and say whatever he wants without carefully censoring his thoughts for fear of offending “someone”. His general demeanour is similar to yours and he tells me his peace of mind is his greatest asset.

    As he says, if he loses everything and the world as we know comes to an end, it does not affect him in the least. He commented once, “you people chose to live the way you do and you can have your lifestyle which is shit to me You have everything and yet nothing !”

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  63. @RoatanBill

    All true, but government would not even exist if it were not for the interests of the money boys. Government is merely their tool, was set up that way, and always has been despite the rhetoric. The antifederalists were nearly 100% correct in their fears and predictions.

    Why criticize the monkey wrench when it’s the monkey doing the monkey business?

    “Bingo” to this…

    It’s the mafia model …

    See Nancy at #58.

  64. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I don’t believe Israel is any longer in a position to cause such upset in the region.

    And if they do attack Iran, they risk the possibility that Russia will blow them into the next universe…

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
    , @Avery
  65. @Seraphim

    Even with sanctions off, the Persians will seek nukes. Lack of sanctions never stopped them, and neither have sanctions. Putin’s increasing ties with the Mullahs is setting him up for an appointment of which he will not like the outcome. Putin is not the sharpest crayon in the box and keeps proving it at every turn.

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Fred777
  66. nsa says:

    Solar panels, tidal gates, windmills, thorium reactors, geothermal, nuclear power, etc will ultimately prove to be only a delaying tactic and futile. Hominids have evolved with the sole purpose of removing the carbon from the earth’s crust and returning it to the atmosphere…… ushering in a new golden age of plant life. Having fulfilled this destiny, hominids will simply disappear. Overpopulation, pollution, nuclear war…..the exact mechanism is unclear but the end reult is locked in….hominid extinction.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  67. @Maddaugh

    I’m not ready to give up modern conveniences. I just want a situation where I minimize the possibility of others affecting my existence.

    I haven’t really worked in almost 2 years since I shut down all my businesses due to no customers. I’m waiting to see what’s going to happen in the next few months to decide if I want to start up again. I’m 70 and have no desire to start rotting mentally and physically. I need to get back to work after rainy season is over just for my sanity. I’m never going to really retire; it’s just too boring.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  68. @RoatanBill

    The Sprott guys put together a physical uranium Trust specifically for people who want to invest in actual metal rather than paper promises. It’s attracting a fair amount of money in its five or so months since inception.

    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  69. @Maddaugh

    “Even the chopstick was adopted when a Chinaman saw a monkey using a twig to get ants from a nest. They still have not discovered the knife and fork. Today, Chinese hawkers still use an abacus in their shops and you have to check your change as even that is incorrect. All their technology is white and stolen.”

    That monkey bit is not only hilarious but probably every bit true given their proclivity to “discover ” a whole lot of technology by stealthily visiting labs, plants, offices etc in the West and not to mention hacking into proprietary, private networks. And as to checking the change, I do it not because of their ancient computer, the abacus, but they like to hold back my money for their early retirement fund. As to their tech knowhow, the ungrateful runts won’t acknowledge its origin but talk about biting the hand that feeds it.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
  70. Agent76 says:

    September 7, 2021 Gazprom Neft Switches to Yuan Payments in China

    Gazprom Neft, the oil arm of Russian gas giant Gazprom, is starting to settle payments for the jet fuel it supplies in China in yuan, instead of in U.S. dollars, the company’s Alexander Dyukov has said.

    Aug 10, 2020 Nord Stream 2 final stretch & Russia-Cyprus try to mend fences

  71. anon[230] • Disclaimer says:

    “in reality it is deployed to control one of the richest areas in strategic raw materials exploited by US and European multinationals, whose oligopoly is threatened by political changes in Africa and the economic presence of China”

    What Libya didnot do, Mali should .Mali should attack France and Italy whatevenr way its citizen and miliatry can .

    Mali need to move to the orbit of China and use otehr non state resources to kick out terrorism of NATO or its other versions.

  72. @RoatanBill

    And you wish to minimise the possibility of your existence affecting others, as well, don’t you, Bill.

  73. @nsa

    I’ve just been reading more reports on global mass tree death, the inability of US forests to regrow after megafires in the last twenty years, probably presaging a conversion to grasslands, and the vast areas of dead trees here in Austfailia after the recent deep and prolonged drought, that end in the Black Summer of 2019-20. And here is some buffoon speaking of ‘..a golden era of plant life’. The combination of idiocy, malevolence and ludicrous arrogance is all the rage these days.

  74. @RoatanBill

    Wait till you see what the Central Bank Digital Currency does to you.

    You’ll look longingly back to the halcyon days of Fiat Notes.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  75. @Steve Naidamast

    WHEN, not if, the Zionazis psychopaths attack Iran, their US puppet state will join in, immediately. Then Putin will have to decide if Iran is worth global extinction. Never forget that the Zionazis are PURE EVIL, and exist to destroy and kill. It is, quite literally, their religion. They are always backing themselves into a corner, a psychological Masada where they are surrounded by enemies (the goyim)who must be annihilated, as a religious obligation. They have destroyed Iraq, Syria, Libya, broken Sudan in two, brutalised the Palestinians for over seventy years, spread Islamophobia AND Islamist terrorism (the latter in league with the Sauds, the US et al)across the world, interfered malignantly in Latin America and Africa, spied on the entire world with cyber-weapons, murdered their enemies’ leaders in large numbers, operated vast blackmail operations like the Epstein apparatus to coerce the goyim into compliance, bribed and corrupted politicians across the West, run numerous global Mafia rackets such as binary options, human organ trafficking, drug and arms trafficking, sex trafficking etc.
    In case you imagine that I ‘pick out Israel’ and am therefore ‘antisemitic’, believe me, I despise the USA, the Sauds, the NATO swine and, above all others, the Five Eyes Anglo thugs, equally. Israel is the most active apartheid racist tyranny, but the others are close behind. The Western ruling elites represent the greatest Evil ever seen on Earth, and almost certainly, the last.

  76. anon[244] • Disclaimer says:

    Iran is about to get its fingers on the nuclear button – so says Zionist to wandering Nimo who has forgot that it has heard this news every 3 minutes for last 30 years .

  77. @Anon62

    Certainly this is true.
    But how effective such interference/sabotage can be in a totally foreign area to the Mad Dog is questionable. Use of proxies like the Kurds (known to stab anyone in the back) and similar disaffected elements is beginning to look shaky as the area solidifies into the mutually beneficient BRI and such elements are sidelined/eliminated.
    Possibly Iraq will be next to flush out the Beast.
    Maybe seek heavy reparations re unprovoked war, slaughter of civilians, DU, theft of oil etc. Let’s hope so, Justice needs to be done after all. Great Satan could quit Iraq now, negotiating with the govt re such damages/war crimes, so to head off future trouble.
    But it is too boneheaded for that.

    All the same, there’s a wild card in Erdogan/Turkey.
    And some caution re Putin’s sincerity when one sees Israel AF firing missiles regularly into Syria despite Russia’s avowed protection.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  78. @Bill Jones

    Since fiat currencies are in the process of failing via eventual hyperinflation, the CBDC version offers no real improvement except for providing the power to change, by force, the velocity of currency transactions and negative interest rate on savings. Having the power to affect these things doesn’t mean that the genius’s in the world’s central banks have the slightest idea on what to do with that power. My bet is that the unintended consequences will rapidly crash their party.

    The Fed, in particular, has no real tools left to change course. Increase interest rates and crater Wall St. while increasing the interest payments on Fed Gov debt requiring more currency creation, a positive feedback loop. As the world’s reserve currency, with countries trying as best they can to eliminate Dollar transactions, those no longer wanted Dollars will find their way back to the US to purchase tangible goods and price inflating whatever they touch. This would increase the US local currency supply equivalent to the Fed printing even more and that adds another facet to the inflation, essentially a double hit.

    A hyperinflated currency, paper or digital, means the US economy is dead until some stable currency can jump start the economy. The rest of the world won’t accept a currency that has no value or is rapidly losing value, so international commerce with the US essentially stops. The entire world’s currency systems are going to grind to a halt as one domino crashes into the next one, etc.

    The trick is to not be holding worthless paper when the SHTF in your area.

    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  79. Sparkon says:

    The engineers on the MSRE project stated they shut the reactor down on weekends very often because they didn’t want to monitor it. Technical problems were expected since it was an experiment. Toward the end, the engineers deemed it a success.

    Your unsourced claims do not agree with what author MV Ramana wrote in the article I cited from The Conversation, dated September 14, 2021, which called MSRs “problematic,” and investment in them “a waste.”

    Over those four years, the latter reactor’s operations were interrupted 225 times; of these, only 58 were planned. The remaining were due to various unanticipated technical problems.

    Lithium-ion remains the dominant battery technology, and will for probably at least another decade. There are some interesting and promising technologies on the horizon, but at this point, they’re mostly pie in the sky, as this article suggests:

    It is the belief of the authors that fundamental science will be key to overcoming the many and diverse fundamental roadblocks in the ‘beyond LIB’ space. To make step changes in battery performance, …

    Yes, fossil fuels are a valuable resource and we should use them now to run our modern civilization in the most important areas: transportation and generating base load power.

    Fossil fuels are abundant, and there’s plenty available for all uses with no real danger of running out any time soon.

    In EVs, the several-hundred pound battery is positioned behind the rear seats. If your EV gets rear-ended and catches fire, just hope you can exit the vehicle quickly.

    Finally, I don’t like the idea of sitting in the magnetic field of a powerful electric motor,

    … the WHO’s official position is that magnetic fields are still seen as “possibly carcinogenic” in humans and this essentially means your health may or may not be negatively affected by riding in an EV (or an electric train, tram, trolleybus or any other vehicle that runs on electricity) – they don’t really know for sure.

    • Agree: Fred777
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @Ukraine Tiger
  80. Hossein says:

    This is all speculations and nothing else. Iran can barely provide water to its citizens let alone be a nuclear power. The recent unrest in Isfahan over the drying of Sayendeh Rood and lack of water for agriculture has turned most of their citizens against the Mullacracy. The situation in the southwest is even worse with the Ahwazi Arabs too who have lost a great deal of their land and livelihood due to deliberate destruction of Karoon river and the How AlAzim wetlands. Lorestan and Char Mahal are seething with anger over what they perceive as the Persian theft of their water resources as well.
    Escobar is good but he exaggerates the power of reactionary Mulas and their so-called military capability which in comparison to other countries in the region is not much of a force. I just read the Guardian that there has been a huge explosion,again, in Natanz that houses nuclear research and development facilities. It is obviously Israel or perhaps inside job. As usual the Mullas will make all kinds of threats. Just hot air and empty threats and nothing else
    The Iranian regime is on its last legs and neither Putin nor the Chinese can reverse that. After all, neither of those countries will accept a nuclear Iran, just like the Zionists and their minions in Washington.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @Aedib
  81. @RoatanBill

    Russia has a program to build floating nuclear power stations.
    As opposed to nuclear powered ships.

    I can see Singapore as one obvious customer.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  82. @Sparkon

    I’m not a journalist so I don’t keep a list of sources for the information I’ve encountered. Your one article doesn’t counter all the research I’ve done over multiple years that tell me MSR’s and Thorium are a winning combination. I’ve looked into various nuclear proposals and the MSR using Thorium stands out as a tech that can not only supply reliable safe power, but burn nuclear waste, desalinate water, manufacture nuclear medicines and has near zero weapons proliferation risk. There’s a video on YouTube somewhere that has Kirk Sorensen interviewing the engineers that worked on the MSRE and they are all enthusiastic supporters. The actual engineers versus some guy no one has ever heard of. Tough choice.

    I’ll repeat – the MSRE was an experimental reactor that expected to solve problems as they occurred. That they discovered problems and overcame them was the whole point of the exercise. That your article author can harp on this as some negative makes me suspect he has an ax to grind and invent negatives where there are none. I looked him up. He’s now a political animal funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council. That you’re willing to cite him doesn’t inspire confidence in your opinion.

    The two largest battery manufacturers in China, BYD and CATL, are migrating to LFP. LG chem of Korea has learned its lesson with the GM debacle and is rumored to also be moving to LFP. Tesla is largely moving to LFP although their high end cars are still going to contain the flammable technology for now. This is a new market and the learning curve is being followed. Your Lithium-ion rant is mostly bullshit.

    Fossil fuels are NOT abundant. It has taken ever more complex technology to extract oil from deeper and deeper wells, mostly off shore. The recent blowout in the gulf was and is a massive environmental disaster that is never going to be cleaned up. The spraying of toxic chemicals just made the problem worse while pushing the slick under the surface where cameras then couldn’t film the devastation. The low hanging fruit has been used up and oil depletion for existing wells says they are not an infinite resource. By managing the oil it can be put to better use as industrial feed stock. The CO2 nonsense is just a scam and shouldn’t be a reason to limit fossil fuels, but using them in their higher value capacity as complex hydrocarbons is.

    Modern EV batteries are positioned under the passenger cabin and in some cases form a structural component for the chassis. With LFP chemistry, fires are a minor possibility, but not from the chemistry. I’ve read studies that conclude that EV’s are equal to ICE vehicles in their ability to catch fire and EV’s are improving by changing chemistry and structurally encasing the batteries.

    There are magnetic fields and then there are magnetic fields. Lots depends on how the fields are generated. The magnetism can be shielded with Mu-Metal which has been around since christ was a carpenter.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  83. Avery says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    { they risk the possibility that Russia will blow them into the next universe…}

    Russia will not, quote, “…blow them into the next….” on behalf of Iran.
    The only time Russia will blow things up including the Big One, is if she is attacked directly.
    Putin has publicly declared as much: in one of his talks he specifically said there will be NO repeat of a foreign invader occupying Russian homeland, killing her people and destroying stuff (…like the Nazis) He didn’t say it directly, but it was clear he meant he will go nuclear if NATO attacks RF.

    Russia has no mutual defense pact with Iran.
    Nevertheless, there is no doubt in my mind that Russia has told Israel behind closed doors that she will not tolerate blowing things up so close to Russia. Whether reckless Israelis heed the warnings or not is anybody’s guess.

    If Israel attacks Iran, Iran will be badly damaged, but will survive and recover in time.
    Russia will make Israel pay in other ways and much later.
    It’s just not the Russian style. They are very cautious: not reckless like US warmongers.
    One reason is that WW2 is seared into Russian psyche.
    Americans have not experienced total war on their landmass: her wars are always far, far away. Russians are traditionally slow to react, but when they do they can do a lot of damage.

    But Russian leaders think of the safety and security of Russia and people of RF: first and foremost.
    Not like US leaders, whose loyalties are to Globalists and Israel, not to US or American people.

    • Replies: @Cuffy
  84. Fred777 says:

    If Vlad wanted Ukraine he would have taken Ukraine, there’s nothing the yanks could or would do about it.

  85. @RoatanBill

    A lot of it is bluffing… 40 years from now might be one thing – but if every vehicle today was converted to battery/electricity there would be serious problems with the grid (well more than already exists). Aside from the fact commodity prices relating to mining of minerals for batteries would go through the roof. Oil and Gas will be around…..

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  86. @Bill Jones

    The video I saw said those floating platforms were destined for arctic waters.

    Russia has the largest nuclear icebreaker fleet in the world. They are also opening up their long abandoned arctic military bases.

  87. @showmethereal

    Due to lousy electrical infrastructure, the US could be very late in adopting EV’s. By 2025, my guess is that there will be several smaller nations with a 50% EV sales rate. China is already the largest EV market and their growth alone will consume vast amounts of resources.

    ICE vehicles will last for another 20 years, but their production will rapidly decline this decade. Having two sku’s for the same vehicle, one ICE and one EV won’t make sense for much longer and the ICE versions will just get dropped. Some of the big names in the automotive space probably won’t make it.

    Toyota has flat out said that EV’s will decimate the Japanese auto industry and they’re trying to get legislation passed to slow the adoption for fear of the massive layoffs. China’s BYD is scheduled to built a Toyota EV on BYD’s assembly line, that’s how far behind Toyota is with their hydrogen nonsense. Detroit is likely to see some casualties too, GM in particular with Ford also not looking too healthy.

  88. I love the commentary on on the science on this thread! very informative by Sparkon and R Bill, especially for me a scientific weakling

    I find all R Bill contributes to be very informative indeed. I have had for some time and I finally decided to risk admission of it

    I have been trying to encourage my highly professional children to leave north America on and around the same argument R Bill has expressed above. I sent them copies to them a while ago

    • Agree: Bro43rd, GMC
  89. @Hossein

    “Iran can barely provide water to its citizens let alone be a nuclear power.”

    Did you read the article? Or are you just ranting? The article specifically notes Russia and China are the ones doing the technology and financing… For this – Iran will collect a fee…

  90. dimples says:

    The Conversation is a lefty rag which quotes the Union of Concerned Scientists. Say no more. There are alternatives to “pure” molten salt reactors which are light years ahead of the current shitty solid fuel types. See Thorcon for example.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  91. dimples says:

    I disagree. ICE motor vehicles will be around for the next 30 years at least, until the fuel gets too expensive. The number of gas guzzling SUV tanks on the road today is amazing, so they’ve got plenty of room to shrink in size a lot before then.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  92. @Realist

    Energy dissipates every time it is transfered from one medium to another. Electrical energy still needs to be generated and at the moment most methods are inefficient but even once generated, there are losses in the transfer. It matters not that electrical machines are more efficient than fossil fuel machines, the energy need for this machinery still requires a point of origin and for the forseeable future, that point is fossil or nuclear.

    • Replies: @Realist
  93. Sparkon says:

    I’m not a journalist so I don’t keep a list of sources for the information I’ve encountered.

    The actual engineers versus some guy no one has ever heard of. Tough choice.

    Your hot air versus my citation. Tough choice – Nullius in Verba. And I can easily find several other reputable sources pointing out the many problems with thorium-fueled molten salt reactors, such as this debate hosted by Ira Flatow that aired on PBS in 2013:

    FLATOW: Not everyone sees thorium reactors as cheap, clean and safe alternatives, that – as a bet for the future. With me is Dr. Arjun Makhijani. He is president of the Institute for Energy and Environmental Research. He’s here in our D.C. studios. Do you agree with Richard Martin that we missed out on thorium? If we had started out with thorium, would be in better shape now?

    ARJUN MAKHIJANI: I don’t think so. I think the problems of nuclear power, fundamentally, would remain. The safety problems would be different. I mean, Mr. Martin and proponents of thorium are right in the sense that the liquid fuel reactor has a number of safety advantages, but it also has a number of disadvantages.

    For instance, this breeder reactor lost out with the sodium-cooled breeder, in the incident that Mr. Martin mentioned, because the liquid – the molten sodium reactor, the sodium-cooled reactor has a much better breeding ratio. It produces a lot more excess fuel that you can then take to the next reactor.

    In this reactor, because thorium is not a fissile material, you actually need either plutonium or enriched uranium to start it. In fact, this reactor that operated in Oak Ridge for a few years, it actually started up in 1964, it never used thorium to breed uranium-233.

    Some uranium-233 was put into the reactor at one point, but it had been made in another reactor. It hadn’t been made in that reactor. It operated with enriched uranium, some plutonium and some uranium-233, but not made in that reactor.

    Here’s the edited summary of the U.S. Dept. of Energy’s Review of Hazards Associated with Molten Salt Reactor Fuel Processing Operations:

    … Fuel salt processing involves a wide range of hazards depending on the fuel salt, processing operation, fissile material concentration, radiation level, and presence of other toxic or hazardous materials. The hazards are summarized in a set of tables… The steps in MSR fuel processing operations are substantially different from those for solid uranium oxide fuel fabrication and handling…

    MSR designs are not yet fully mature; nor are the designs for the primary and ancillary support systems for the synthesis and treatment of molten salt fuel…

    An important limitation of this report derives from the fact that only two relatively small MSR test reactors have ever been operated. Some systems and activities can be extrapolated … Large-scale fuel-salt facilities, however, may involve equipment and hazards not seen at smaller scales. Also, key reactor-specific hazards such as inadvertent criticality while performing initial fuel transfer into the reactor vessel have no direct antecedents in solid fueled reactors.

    Inadvertent criticality … That can’t be good.

    • Replies: @Zachary Smith
    , @RoatanBill
  94. @RoatanBill

    “white atheist, engineer, professional software developer ”

    That is me. What discipline? I am electrical and mining. And contrary to what you might think, I also am free to mostly what I like here in eastern Ukraine.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  95. @Sparkon

    “Finally, I don’t like the idea of sitting in the magnetic field of a powerful electric motor”

    That is naive. Magnetic fields are part of the very essence of living on earth, they are also contained within the device and your mobile phone has a more dangerous wave than a magnetic field.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  96. @Ukraine Tiger

    Electrical, Computer Science.

    I used my EE background while in the electrical power industry and then went into pure software development for decades.

    • Replies: @Ukraine Tiger
  97. Anon62 says:

    China has never discovered anything worthwhile in its 4000 year history

    Apart from rockets, civilization, papermaking, the compass (which allowed the discovery of America), printing, guns and gunpowder, communism with capitalistic characteristics, and border walls, the Chinese also invented central government established as a meritocracy.

    The kwailo have been copying China for 3999 years. Unfortunately, the one Chinese invention they have repeatedly overlooked is meritocracy.

    • LOL: Maddaugh
  98. @Sparkon

    ARJUN MAKHIJANI: I don’t think so. I think the problems of nuclear power, fundamentally, would remain. The safety problems would be different.

    The problems would remain, and not all the safety issues would be different.

    In recent years there has been a rash of crazy people killing other people with their guns. With their cars. “Freedom” has been re-defined as a right to do anything a person feels like doing.

    A substantial fraction of the population now refuses to take the slightest precautions during the middle of a freaking pandemic. To them masks are the 2021 badges of enslavement.

    Many of these deranged types are starting to equip themselves with high explosives. A gang of such fanatics could do a “January 6” on a nuclear complex, for the guards there are few in number and generally badly out of shape.

    Insiders (grown-up versions of the Michigan shooter) might open the doors for the mobs, but that wouldn’t really be necessary. They could destroy the reactors from the inside all by themselves.

    Finally, the Corporations who run the Nuclear Power Plants cut every possible corner to save a nickel. Regulatory Capture of the AEC means there is no meaningful supervision.

    The “human factor” alone makes Nuclear Power Plants a very, very bad idea.

    • LOL: RoatanBill
    • Replies: @dogbumbreath
  99. @Zachary Smith

    A substantial fraction of the population now refuses to take the slightest precautions during the middle of a freaking pandemic. To them masks are the 2021 badges of enslavement.

    There is a 1.5 million Euro reward for proof sars-cov2 exists. Since you’re not one of the crazy ones, collect the reward and buy me a mask.

  100. @RoatanBill

    As you surely know, wind turbines kill a couple of orders of magnitude fewer birds each year than cats, collisions with cars and buildings and pesticides. And runaway, or even moderate abrupt or merely rapid climate destabilisation is an existential threat to hundreds ofbillions of birds, and is already killing unknown numbers of birds every year.
    As for solar, I was recommending it for villages, small townships and even medium sized towns. Wind is being steadily improved, but seems destined more to be of the huge, off-shore, mega-complexes for base power production type. After new energy sources, even perhaps fusion, are perfected (if ever)there’ll be a steady industry dismantling no longer required wind farms.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  101. @Maddaugh

    As a truly verminous racist ignoramus, you are sure not to have heard of Needham’s ‘Science and Civilization in China’, published since 1954, by Cambridge University (Needham died in 1995) in seven huge volumes, many in multiple parts. Just why are you Mad Dogs so fucking stupid, arrogant and racist? Indeed, calling you a mad dog is an insult to rabid canines.

    • Replies: @Maddaugh
    , @Seraphim
  102. This article is on a similar forum and in Russian

    • Thanks: GMC
  103. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Comparing wind, solar and nuclear energy, only one has the side effect of killing birds. Bringing cars and cats into the discussion makes no sense as they aren’t sources of power.

    The appropriate scale for solar, IMO, is limited to homes and individual businesses where there is no “commons” aspect. As soon as you bring in a corp or gov’t controlling entity, you normally also bring in laws or contracts that mandate or in other ways wants to control its use. When I was living in Texas, for example, I was not allowed to drill a well on my own property because the local water district would be affected by my not purchasing their product.

    The same concept holds for the National Grid. If people were to become energy independent, they would slowly abandon the need for the grid and the gov’ts don’t want people independent of their control.

    At some point in the distant future, every home will have a nuclear reactor supplying power. There will be no grid. Between then and now, progress could be made by creating micro grids to eventually abandon the national grid. Further progress could then abandon the micro grids for no grid at all where the individual has full control of his energy needs.

  104. @Sparkon

    That the gov’t and industry are for maintaining the status quo is a given. They are beholden to the corporations that survive nicely in the current fuel arrangement. MSR’s completely upset how fueling is done and would bankrupt the current suppliers. Thorium fueled MSR’s also can’t produce plutonium usable for weapons due to any weapons grade material produced as part of the physics is polluted with strong gamma ray emitters. The military wants their plutonium and is the initial reason Thorium was rejected at the start of the nuclear industry.

    The liberal organizations can be counted on for shooting down all nuclear proposals because they don’t understand the technology or don’t want to understand the technology for ideological reasons.

    You’re just echoing the objections that has kept more modern reactor designs from being built in the US. That isn’t preventing China, the Czech Republic, India, and others from their advanced programs to build these reactors. The US will eventually be purchasing modern reactors instead of selling them thanks to people like you.

    These reactors are being built and new issues will be found and corrected. Eventually stable reactors will appear and the smart nations will be installing them so their populations have inexhaustible and inexpensive reliable power with which to run an economy. Those that want to stay on green or fossil fuels based sources will be priced out of the market.

    I see that you’ve given up on all the dated information you’ve been spouting regarding batteries and cars. You might consider getting a more up to date view of reactors since all you’re doing is rehashing old objections.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  105. Jon Chance says: • Website

    If we had legitimate governments in the US and Europe, our foreign policies would be the reverse of what they’ve become during the last 30-80 years.

    1 – Russia would be embraced as a natural ally, and there would be no “Cold War” or nuclear brinkmanship.

    2 – Iran would be a beneficial trading partner as it was prior to Mossad’s “Islamic Revolution” of 1979.

    3 – The CCP would be recognized as a global terrorist organization, and the government in Taiwan would be embraced as the legitimate representative of the Chinese people.

    4 – The Terrorist Theocracy of Israel would be replaced by the Republic of Palestine.

    Am I wrong?


  106. @Arthur MacBride

    Possibly Iraq will be next to flush out the Beast.

    Dayr-al-Zawr/at-Tanf bases (where US trains Kurds etc to fight Damascus) in Syria.
    US military convoy in Iraq.

    US military bases, troops come under attack in Syria, Iraq

    Just a matter of time, although it can be expected that “US politicians” will keep forces there as long as possible (at whatever cost) to bolster Israel.

  107. @RoatanBill

    “Due to lousy electrical infrastructure, the US could be very late in adopting EV’s.”

    True – but overall it appears that the real change needs to be a change in lifestyle in the US and Canada and a few other countries. Some first world countries in Europe actually have fairly low rates of energy use per capita.

    “China is already the largest EV market and their growth alone will consume vast amounts of resources.”

    Correct… And mining isn’t “clean” either…. Neither is disposing of solar panels… I have no question this is the route we are going…. But I think the public believes there will be no consequences once we switch to batteries and solar (well more since they can’t do everything)…. Everything we do has consequences – and the over consumption is the real problem.

    “China’s BYD is scheduled to built a Toyota EV on BYD’s assembly line, that’s how far behind Toyota is with their hydrogen nonsense. ”

    China doesn’t think hydrogen is nonsense. In fact Toyota and Hyundai are investing and sharing hydrogen tech with Chinese vehicle makers. In fact there will be Toyota hydrogen buses at the 2022 Olympics. Sinopec also is just starting construction on the largest clean energy hydrogen plant in the world in Xinjiang. They stated that hydrogen will mostly be used for heavy industry — but they also announced a plan to build 1,000 hydrogen fueling stations over the next 5 to 10 years. So China isn’t putting all it’s eggs in the battery electric basket. Every major city has also announced plans to add hydrogen fueling stations up to the year 2030 – all in an effort to bring infrastructure costs down… A southern Chinese city also now has hydrogen powered tram.

    I see you noted elsewhere you are an electrical engineer. I am not… But from what I read – only nuclear has the power density for heavy industry. For transport I read that the size and weight of batteries for trucks and ships and trains and planes would make them too heavy and not worth it. So from your expertise – please explain why those things I read would be incorrect.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  108. Realist says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    I agree, but you need to address your comment to RoatanBill

  109. Aedib says:

    The Iranian regime is on its last legs…

    30 years ago I readed the same sentence.

  110. Maddaugh says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    As a truly verminous racist ignoramus, you are sure not to have heard of Needham’s ‘Science and Civilization in China’, published since 1954, by Cambridge University (Needham died in 1995) in seven huge volumes, many in multiple parts. Just why are you Mad Dogs so fucking stupid, arrogant and racist? Indeed, calling you a mad dog is an insult to rabid canines..


    Bow wow, woof woof woof…….aahooooooo aahoooooooooo ! Grrrrrrrr Grrrrrrrrr.

  111. Sparkon says:
    @Ukraine Tiger

    That is naive. Magnetic fields are part of the very essence of living on earth

    No doubt they are, and that is good reason to be very careful with the way we alter or affect them. Some recent articles have tried to pooh pooh it, but the fact remains human sperm counts have been falling. According to an article in USA Today,

    Sperm counts among men in North America, Europe, Australia and New Zealand declined more than 59% from 1973 to 2011.

    Graph: GQ
    [‘got the colors backwards, didn’t they?]

    The production of chemicals and especially plastics has been implicated in declining sperm counts, but with so many anthropogenic additions to the environmental mix, who can really say for sure?

    This study implicates radiofrequency electromagnetic fields:

    Since it is impossible to cover all types of radiation sources and their biological effects under a single title, this review is focusing on radiation deriving from cell phones, laptops, Wi-Fi and microwave ovens, as these are the most common sources of non-ionizing radiations […] From currently available studies it is clear that radiofrequency electromagnetic fields (RF-EMF) have deleterious effects on sperm parameters (like sperm count, morphology, motility), affects the role of kinases in cellular metabolism and the endocrine system, and produces genotoxicity, genomic instability and oxidative stress.

    Be careful where you sit. The sperm you save may be your own.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  112. Maddaugh says:
    @Chinaman's Nightmare

    To: Chinaman Nightmare

    Copy: The Gook Cabal on UR

    Yes its true. The Chinese used to eat with their fingers. In many places where there was little water and where they would scratch their crotches and pick their arse, this resulted in disease as they would not wash their hands before eating.

    These people are unable to think for themselves and learn on their own. For example, their martial arts were “developed” from watching animals.

    One day the Emperor was about to eat and saw a tick under his fingernail (that was because he had been feeling his wife earlier). He decided that something had to be done. Getting his wives to bathe was out of the question. Being stink and smelly is a Chinese tradition to this day.

    Given their habit of learning from animals one of his assistants saw a monkey push a stick into an ants nest. When the ants clung to the stick the monkey pulled it out and licked them off. PRESTO. the chopstick, China;s greatest invention in 4000 years was born. The Sedan chair was also invented from watching ants carry leaves back to their nests. This is true history and no joke.

    Of course, they also thought their monkey king fu and crane techniques would defeat the white man. However RAT TAT TAT and that delusion ended in a hail of lead. The German’s particularly developed close quarter battle drills to deal with these chumps and they did not even spend any time studying the movements of the snake and mongoose LOL.

    Look, the British took a shitty fishing village and turned it into a monster economic centre. The CCP in just a few short years have wrecked the place. Even the wealthy Slopes who lived there have Western Passports. These people are a joke and Maddaugh rates them lower than Blacks !

    • Replies: @Chinaman's Nightmare
  113. @showmethereal

    Instead of countries using less energy, the trend is clearly for countries to use more energy as they develop life styles inching toward 1st world status. Asking the poorer nations to stay where they are and richer nations to downgrade their life styles is a DOA proposal; simply unrealistic.

    One way to have people be more cognizant of their energy usage is to get them to live in a 100% solar home. The total amount of energy is fixed at some maximum and can only go lower from there. People look at efficiencies they never considered before. The first rule for going solar is to inventory usage and then to look at each item of consumption and if reasonable, replace it with a lower energy alternative. The current arrangement where everyone has an unlimited appetite for power helps drive inefficient use. People complain about their monthly electric and other energy bills, but never take the time to investigate what is consuming the energy since most don’t even have the knowledge base upon which to plan how to go about it.

    A solar & battery set up for a home is a reasonable way to remove that load from the grid, plus remove their fossil fuel usage if they charge their EV from their own supply. I’ve drawn up a modest business structure in CAD (4900 sq ft) that I’d run 100% on solar plus batteries simply because my purchased power is $0.40/kWh. I may never build it given the covid nonsense, but I’ve worked out what’s necessary and the costs are reasonable.

    Panels can be recycled since they’re largely glass, aluminum, silicon with a small amount of silver and some adhesives. LFP batteries can be recycled and should be recycled today because they are wet and will leach into the soil if dumped. Today’s landfill will be mined tomorrow to recover what is today economically not viable.

    Batteries to store grid level energy is insane and is only proposed to keep control of electrical power in the hands of corporations and gov’ts. For any thinking person, the proper solution involves energy independence which, by its nature, means energy efficiency and the development of an understanding of how one uses the limited amount of energy available.

    My pejorative reference to hydrogen is due to it being touted as an economy scale solution. We’ve been told of the “Hydrogen Economy”. That’s fantasy land. Hydrogen has it’s place for limited applications in very controlled environments like municipal buses, freight haulers that can rely on strategically places hydrogen fill station, ocean going ships, etc. Hydrogen is plain stupid for the average car and that’s what Toyota’s been proselytizing for over a decade. I can just picture a highway full of hydrogen vehicles spilling their water vapor into the air to create massive clouds over cities to increase the most potent greenhouse gas concentration.

    If we had a nuclear fuel based energy system, we could use nuclear power to break the bonds in water to liberate hydrogen at a reasonable cost. Transporting and storing it will still be a problem, but at least sourcing it could be of reasonable cost. We don’t have the necessary infrastructure for hydrogen to be anything but a niche application.

    I strongly support modern nuclear initiatives as the only possible solution to the world’s energy needs. I’m against creating yet another typical light water reactor because they are, and have always been, an accident waiting to happen because they operate at high pressure. The patent holder for both the light water reactor and the molten salt reactor, Alvin Weinberg, strongly advised against the use of today’s plants in favor of the molten salt solution. He was overruled because the military wanted plutonium and the Thorium based MSR wouldn’t produce any. That birthed the current nuclear industry that has a vested interest in maintaining their position and profits.

  114. @Sparkon

    As I stated to you, there are magnetic fields and then there are magnetic fields. The frequencies involved make a huge difference. Electricity and magnetism go hand in hand. That’s why the term electromagnetism exists. It’s the high frequencies that can cause the most damage and yet we have people yearning for the latest smartphone that operates in the Ghz range. They all now operate in the Ghz range. An electric motor’s frequencies are going to be harmonics of the RPM, relatively low and can be largely shielded.

  115. Sparkon says:

    The Conversation is a lefty rag which quotes the Union of Concerned Scientists. Say no more.

    Attacking the source is always fallacious.

    Play the ball, not the man.

    Do you dispute that the MSRE was shut down 167 times because of unanticipated technical problems?

    By the way, The US far-right seems to be almost exclusively pro-nuke. We seem to get a lot of right wing perspective here at UR, so just be sure to don some dark shades before reading any lefty rags lest ye be blinded by the light.

    Finally, I read that ThorCon’s liquid MSR is to be “ballasted to the sea bed” in shallow water after four years of testing.

    What could go wrong?

  116. @Maddaugh

    I agree wholeheartedly… thanks!

  117. @RoatanBill

    D´accord on solar.

    – For hydrogen I think direct photocatalytic cracking of water will be more viable
    medium-term, even at the current low single-digit efficiency
    (or synthetic photosynthesis comes online), but the handling
    problems remain. Making steel? I´m not sure if I want what they are smoking.

    – The theoretical upsides of thorium are known – 10x more abundant than uranium,
    isotopically pure, shitloads of it on dump as byproduct from rare earth mining
    for which there is no real use since gaslighting (I mean, actual gaslighting)
    went out of fashion; so far, so good.
    A maintenance-free sealed core the size of a gallon jug that need not be touched for
    30 years? Yeah, right.
    The only ones to ever run a commercial breeder (plutonium, fast) are the
    Japanese, and they shut it down decades ago. Don´t you think they´d have had every
    incentive to look into thorium their heroic liberators have been futzing around with
    since at least 1951? The problem with breeders has always been you can either breed
    or produce energy but not both with reasonable efficiency.
    If they make it work, good; but seeing is believing.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  118. @nokangaroos

    Cracking water to produce quantities of hydrogen necessary to fuel municipal buses, tractor trailers, etc needs something that can do the job on a massive scale once fleets are established. The logical choice is nuclear.

    I don’t understand your making steel comment.

    Last time I checked, Thorium is 3 times as abundant as Uranium. There are high concentrations of Thorium in certain parts of the world, like India, where it’s much more readily available and is probably why India is looking at Thorium reactors, although their design is a mess.

    I don’t understand your gallon jug reference. The designs I’ve seen are all relatively large vessels positioned within a purpose built structure with most of it below grade. The idea is to have multiple of these vessels available and at specific intervals physically remove the vessel for recycling and install a fresh one. Since these units are built in a factory with factory tolerances, this is feasible and smart.

    I’m in favor of breeder reactors for breeding purposes. Breeder reactors are a completely separate issue and shouldn’t be considered for their heat output as viable electrical energy supply as that’s not their main purpose. Sure, a gas turbine can use the heat to make electricity, but that’s a side effect to the unit’s real purpose.

    I’m concerned with electrical production using slow neutrons that can consume existing nuclear waste for fuel along with Thorium refueling. That would be the majority of reactors built at least until existing lousy reactors are shut down and their waste streams dry up, many decades from now. Special case reactors like the one Bill Gates is sponsoring are a risky proposition but do have some advantages IF they can handle the very high temperatures anticipated. I think it will be a bust unless they can come up with ceramics or some other material that can withstand the radiation and heat.

  119. @RoatanBill

    I keep asking myself what will happen after the entire world’s currency systems (including CBDC) grind to a halt.

    But I can’t figure it out.

    Please advise.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  120. @Ralph B. Seymour

    My opinion.

    Chaos will be the obvious overriding characteristic world wide as no country will be spared due to the interconnected nature of banking and supply lines. Next will come violence and death as people literally starve or freeze or get caught up in military action as the police will be conscripted.

    Sections of cities will burn (the usual suspects) in the US as the savages riot when their EBT and other benefits don’t arrive. That would include all the major metropolitan areas where most of the US’s savages live. The gun owners will come out in force to dwarf the police and military and make quick work of any savages that dare enter their areas. The political will to tamp down the violence in the ghettos will be lacking so large sections will stay violent and burn for months.

    A full blown military dictatorship is a sure thing and will last for years or even decades. The standoff between 2nd Amendment proponents and the military will look like a war unless the citizenry is fooled into throwing their support in with the military to fight the common enemy which will eventually lead to the gun toting citizens being identified and neutralized at the appropriate time. This will be the time for the soft military dictatorship that the US is and has been since the 60’s to come into full in your face view.

    Laws already exist to allow the Fed Gov to confiscate absolutely anything and everything they deem they need. That will include prepper supplies, ammunition, gold and silver bullion, vehicles, industries, plant and equipment, …, absolutely everything, law or no law. You will own nothing and be miserable.

    In highly civilized countries with homogeneous populations (Norway, Finland, Eastern Europe, etc), the people and gov’t will try to work toward a quick resumption of commercial activity and would be willing to work for a promise of future normality with little to no remuneration in money but sufficient food and other necessities to keep going. Nations with gold and silver could afford to revalue the metals and symbolically pay people along with IOU’s.

    In countries with fewer concentrated savage populations (The EU countries, Great Britain, etc), their areas will burn and their violent residents will be rapidly eliminated by the locals, police and military. Months of trying to regain control means months of no progress while decent people die waiting for gov’t to save them.

    Sound money must become the basis of any sustained economic activity as no one is going to trust, long term, more gov’t bullshit script. Gov’ts will start to accept barter arrangements for international trade where the traditional gold and silver metals aren’t sufficient. The Middle East will trade oil. The food producing nations will trade food. Manufacturing nations will supply clothes, etc. Various arrangements will be made and an accounting will be kept until such time as real honest money is reestablished. The bankers will attempt to regain control but will fail as they offer no solutions and if one is honest, haven’t for decades.

    • Agree: nokangaroos
    • Replies: @Ralph B. Seymour
  121. Seraphim says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Obviously the Maddaugh is a Brit suffering from ‘Empire phantom pains’. The attitude of imbeciles like him would be just laughable, had not imbeciles like his PM Blojo and some Maddaughs Downunder barking to the moon taken it seriously. People who believe their own lies. Who believe that they can take on the Chinese (and the Russians at the same time) without any consequence form themselves. Who fantasize that the Chinese would cave in at the sight of a craft of the RN offering itself as target practice for the Chinese rockets (that they invented in the past), and hearing about the virtual subs of the RAN. Who fantasize that the Chines wouldn’t ‘stand up to the White boys when the push comes to shove’, without realizing that the shove will be up their LGBT+++ asses.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  122. @RoatanBill

    “Instead of countries using less energy, the trend is clearly for countries to use more energy as they develop life styles inching toward 1st world status. Asking the poorer nations to stay where they are and richer nations to downgrade their life styles is a DOA proposal; simply unrealistic.”

    There is a huge difference between total energy usage and usage per capita though…. The developing world should desire to have the energy consumption per capita of a Denmark rather than someone from the US or Canada. That in itself would make a huge difference in the world. I see it says you live in Honduras… Well I have never been there but I have spent a lot of time a few hundred miles away from there… And I still have plenty of family. The people in Honduras if they are similar to my experience in the Caribbean is that they absolutely have to worry about their energy and fuel use – in the same way they worry about the dollar exchange rate every day of their lives. So some of the mindsets you describe might be unique to places like the US and Canada. Even in the 1st world – energy usage per capita is widely different.

    “Hydrogen has it’s place for limited applications in very controlled environments like municipal buses, freight haulers that can rely on strategically places hydrogen fill station, ocean going ships, etc. ”

    Yea but all of those things you named use huge amounts of energy and spew huge amounts of emissions… So then would you say then that hydrogen fuel cells will replace diesel and batteries will more replace regular petrol???

    Lastly – I do agree with you about nuclear energy…. Seems Russia and China are the only two still pushing it a lot (though I hear India wants to move into it too)… I do hope there are further breakthroughs in safe nuclear energy. Nuclear weapons were made for destruction – but that doesn’t mean nuclear reactors can’t be used for good.

  123. @showmethereal

    Bill’s attitude is typically American. When faced with the prospect of ‘downgrading their life styles’, the true Exceptionalist materialist would rather sacrifice his or her children and grandchildren on the altar of excess. But, preferably, they would rather see the children and grandchildren of their Eternal Enemies, other States, peoples and civilizations, sacrificed instead. Hence the numerous plans for planetary depopulation that emerge from the Yankee hive-mind.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  124. @showmethereal

    The US is a large country with room enough to spread out and therefore distances between points of interest are necessarily greater than in Denmark. There are also many more points of interest as the US has many major metropolitan areas with large populations. A large part of energy usage is just getting around from place to place. Shipping products might be from Buffalo to Los Angeles or Walla Walla to Miami and everything requires energy. The temperatures in Phoenix in summer and Anchorage in winter are also a bit more extreme than what Copenhagen experiences.

    I live on the island of Roatan in the Caribbean. It is under the jurisdiction of Honduras, but contrasts with the mainland as night does to day. Whatever you might think of Honduras, it doesn’t apply to Roatan or the other “Bay Islands”. The energy consumption on the island is probably an order of magnitude more than the remaining Honduran average.

    Your observations about mainland Honduras and first world countries may be entirely accurate, but inconsequential. No one is going to voluntarily give up their existing life style and no one has to if common sense and logic were to rule the day as opposed to the asshats in charge in every jurisdiction.

    Splitting the atom is old news and yet we’re still setting fire to things for energy just as the caveman did thousands of years ago. We may do it in a more sophisticated way, but at base, we’re burning natural resources for the majority of our needs to extract BTU energy instead of the nuclear energy that we all know is there. Think about it. Isn’t this incredibly stupid? Shouldn’t we be beyond setting fire to things the way some primitive did ages ago?

    I remember when nuclear energy was supposed to provide power so inexpensively that there was consideration to not even meter usage. Skyscrapers were built with no on/off switch for whole floors or entire buildings worth of lighting. The expectation was that electricity costs would be covered under a miscellaneous category that was to be ignored under most circumstances. Obviously that never happened because vested interests got in the way.

    I don’t believe anything should be free if someone or some thing has to provide it. I also believe that nuclear done right could be done at such a low cost and so rapidly that in 10 years, the entire planet could be running on latest generation reactors and provide all manner of sanitation and other health benefits to the 3rd world along with enough electrical power to allow for the China miracle to be repeated everywhere quickly. What’s required is the will to do so and to move aside the entrenched interests that want to continue their stranglehold on energy simply for the control and profits they derive from it. Factories could turn out MSR’s like hotdogs. The failing auto facilities in the US and their workers could be assembling reactors instead of shitty cars that are losing market share every year.

    Hydrogen may make sense for some applications. Creating the necessary infrastructure for its creation, transportation, storage and distribution is not an insignificant issue, especially when the market is limited and spread out over a huge continental area. Someone with the proper data and list of considerations needs to put pencil to paper and figure it all out. I see no near term substitute for aviation fuel, at least not for long haul airlines. Therefore, some form of liquid probably complex hydrocarbon will still be needed and that market may best be served with today’s fuels. That being the case, maybe long haul trucks should stay diesel so there’s enough market for fossil fuels to stick around. It’s a balancing act.

  125. @Seraphim

    Very true. The Anglo thugs of the ‘Five Eyes’ abomination really think it is still 1839, and they can tell the ‘Chinkies’ how and what to behave and do. The sheer psychopathy, the ‘mass formation’ of mental illness in the Sinophobia cult here in Austfailia is indescribably extreme. It reminds me of the cultic hatreds that vast numbers of the population hold for the Indigenous, once did for the Japanese and still do for their class and ideological enemies. This is a country lurching towards our appointment in Samara.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  126. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I would appreciate it if you would exclude me from those fantasies you suffer from. Don’t pretend to know about my motivations and what I might or might not do or recommend.

    If you have something to say that concerns or implicates me, please don’t let me discover it by accident.

  127. @RoatanBill

    “The bankers will attempt to regain control but will fail….”


    This will be worth it if the Parasite Guild is defanged and the population freed from that particular flavor of slavery.

  128. Cuffy says:

    If Israel attacks Iran , Iran will be heavily damaged. Ok. What will be Israel’s fate?

    • Replies: @Avery
  129. Sparkon says:

    I see that you’ve given up on all the dated information you’ve been spouting regarding batteries and cars.

    What you think you see is wrong. Earlier, you wrote:

    The two largest battery manufacturers in China, BYD and CATL, are migrating to LFP. LG chem of Korea has learned its lesson with the GM debacle and is rumored to also be moving to LFP. Tesla is largely moving to LFP although their high end cars are still going to contain the flammable technology for now. This is a new market and the learning curve is being followed. Your Lithium-ion rant is mostly bullshit.

    You’re quick to start thumping your chest, but I have only so much time and energy to spend countering your undocumented claims.

    As suspected, the early reports from Tesla Model 3 owners with LFP batteries are not encouraging. The new batteries suffer from both poor range and retarded charging ability in cold weather. Cold weather affects all EVs because the heater must be powered by the vehicle’s battery, which reduces range, unlike a car which draws heat from the ICE, but those EVs with LFP batteries seem especially prone to poor performance in winter, and new Tesla Model 3 owners are not happy:

    According to this, several owners noticed problems with the LFP battery after receiving their Model 3. In winter conditions, the range is significantly limited and the battery cannot be charged 100 percent.

    For example, a reader from Beijing who owns the Model 3 with the LFP battery reports that a range of 420 kilometers was displayed after the full charge, but only 5 percent charge was left after a distance of 214 kilometers. After the driver has charged 52 kWh for an hour, the display shows 420 kilometers again. The owner says he uses his car for short journeys, parks it in an underground car park at night and in a parking lot during the day.

    214 km is about 133 miles.

    Are we there yet?

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  130. @RoatanBill

    I used to think that government will allow nuclear power when it realizes that the only other alternative is going back to pre- electricity era; but then the Greens came, and they actively want take us back even far, about as far as the upper Dark Ages; now I am not sure; government may block nuclear energy even when we face extinction. Or, as some believe, to make us extinct.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  131. @dimples

    That may be correct in much of the US, but not all of it. California has banned the sale of gas-burning vehicles from 2035 onward. By then, I imagine, gas stations will start closing here in CA. And they may get around to criminalizing the operation of gas-powered vehicles in CA, even if they are purchased out of state.

  132. @Sparkon

    I see you keep moving the goalposts. Your stated objection had to do with fire and therefore I limited my response to that issue. Anyone interested in battery chemistry knows that LFP has a lower capacity so I didn’t think I had to educate you on that point. I’ve also stated that some Chinese vehicles are now at the 1000km+ specification for range somewhere on this page or elsewhere, so I know that range is also being solved.

    I’ve concluded you’re a complainer for complaining’s sake. I further conclude your actual knowledge about EV’s and nuclear power is what you’ve read in some article penned by someone equally ill informed or with an ax to grind. You’re not a serious person probably without any STEM credentials and I’m not going to waste my time further.

    • Replies: @Sparkon
  133. @Old Brown Fool

    Men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all the other alternatives.
    Abba Eban

    To date, the seriousness of the energy situations hasn’t hit our overlords yet. When their lack of access to food , clean water, heat and A/C, etc becomes obvious to them is when they’ll react. They depend on the same things we all depend on. The political class is comprised of slimy individuals with primarily reptilian brains out for a quick buck and don’t see or want to see the metaphorical asteroid clearly in view heading for the planet. These dinosaurs are too stupid and too greedy to do anything but what lines their pockets in real time. Planning for the future is always someone else’s problem.

    From my perspective as an anarchist, I find that it is always the gov’t responsible for the problems we, the people, face and it is never those cretins that actually solve anything. At best, they get out of the way when they’ve screwed up so badly that they retire with their millions to let the younger set of thieves and charlatans take over.

    • Agree: Realist
  134. @RoatanBill

    Ah, that 50s Popular Mechanics optimism 😀
    How drab does it make our reality look.

    – Humankind can survive a surprising number of days without flying
    (as 9/11 shewed). Satellites are another matter but hydrazine is eco-friendly.

    – Of course you can make cement, steel and fertilizer with hydrogen;
    or heat and cool with electricity. You can also make aluminium by direct reduction
    with metallic sodium (Napoleon III had an alu cutlery set to ostentate his
    modernism – and because it was more expensive than silver), it´s just idiotic.
    The “fertilizer” part alone will bring the whole edifice down –
    if the Gretta zombies want to cancel the Green Revolution I wish them luck
    (well not really, just a figger of speech).

    (I may not have a whiff where left and right is on the electrical,
    but I know a thing or two about resources)

  135. Avery says:

    {. What will be Israel’s fate?}

    Good question.
    I am guessing depends on the level of damage.

    Just a conjecture on my part:

    Iran has 1,000s of good, long range missiles (conventional warhead) that she can rain down on Israel. Israel is a small country, densely populated, so there will be huge psychological shock, in addition to the death and destruction. Despite the bogus claims of the so-called “Iron Dome” alleged effectiveness, Israel knows that Iron Dome was unable to stop even the primitive Palestinian missiles.

    A while back, Saudi Arabia suffered heavy damage when Houthis attacked it with missiles/drones (?). The US supplied air defense systems completely failed in KSA. The Iron Dome is fancied up version of US Patriot, which also has a dismal record.

    After Iran rains missiles on Israel, I don’t know: Israel’s leaders are irrational, so they might attack Iran with tactical nukes. And what comes after that is anyone’s guess…..

    That’s how I see it with my limited knowledge of world affairs and military capability.

    • Thanks: Cuffy
  136. Sparkon says:

    I see you keep moving the goalposts

    Again, what you see is wrong. I haven’t moved any goalposts, Bill, I’ve been critical of the man-made global warming scam and demonization of carbon dioxide, along with EVs, LIBs, thorium-fueled MSRs, renewable energy, and nuclear power in general for a long time for numerous reasons. I’ve been listening to the broken promises of the nuclear power industry from its infancy.

    I’m in favor of using the right fuel for the job.

    I reserve the right to target my remarks as I see fit without writing a comprehensive epistle or wall of text every time I rattle the keyboard, but I almost always provide citations to support my remarks, while you never do.

    You’re a self-declared authority, a legend in your own mind, but that kind of song and dance won’t play in Peoria.

    You wrote:

    I’ve concluded you’re a complainer for complaining’s sake. I further conclude your actual knowledge about EV’s and nuclear power is what you’ve read in some article penned by someone equally ill informed or with an ax to grind. You’re not a serious person probably without any STEM credentials and I’m not going to waste my time further.

    Your self-serving conclusions are worthless. Nice try with the credential-waving and petty putdowns, but before you get out of the kitchen, tell us again about your induction experience with the U.S. Army before you bugged out, Mr. Almost Lieutenant.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  137. @RoatanBill

    Well yes the US is a fairly uncrowded country… But that is kind of the point. Most of the world will never live like Americans – even as they get richer. Most of the world will never live in a 2k sq ft detached home in cul de sac with a lawn and 4 cars in the driveway. Most live in dense housing and smaller lot sizes – even as they get wealthier. Most of the world will never ovveruse single passanger vehicles to travel long distance. Europe and Asia love long distance trains. So as long as the rest of the world doesnt do such things – then I dont think the future is so bleak.

    As to nuclear and hydrogen. Well I dont have the expertise you do in electrical engineering so all I can do is read what you wrote. Most of what I read about nuclear seems similar to what you say.
    For hydrogen most of what I read say you are right about personal passenger vehicles – but for heavy vehicles and industry – hydrogen is more realistic than batteries. Time will tell.

    Nice to have this discourse with you.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  138. @Showmethereal

    Are you in favor of the UN’s sustainability goals that includes the forced evacuation of the bulk of the US population into mega cities to return the land to nature? Does this make sense to you?

    Most of the world is loaded up with the most ignorant people imaginable that breed like rabbits in places like China, India, Africa, South East Asia, etc. They are crowded because they are too stupid to limit their breeding. Europe has crowded cities with narrow streets that were laid down when horses and carts were the norm. They are living with antique architecture that limits the amount of available space for historic reasons.

    There is no land shortage almost anywhere. It is gov’t policy to designate an area a town, city, municipality and then force as many people into it so they can be controlled like cattle.

    There is no overuse of single passenger vehicles. It’s a vehicle that has a certain capacity that isn’t always used. Are you suggesting that an individual should be riding a scooter to save on fuel in a New York winter or a Phoenix summer? Should a family have a graduated set of vehicles where each is maxed out depending on how many are traveling at any point in time?

    The only energy shortage is the one that is purposely engineered to provide the most profit for the political class and their hangers on which have thwarted efforts to improve the energy landscape for at least 50 years and counting. The atom can supply the world with all the power it could possibly want and do it inexpensively and safely if only the engineers and scientists could be allowed to instantiate their decades old knowledge.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  139. @RoatanBill

    Similar but for me it was UG mining and retic and software D concurrent. These days it is a wood lathe and a little vineyard east of Zaporozhye. No way I could stop working either.

    • Thanks: RoatanBill
  140. Seraphim says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I think unnecessary telling you that ‘Sinophobia’ is entrenched in the Aussies mental since the Gold Rush and Eureka Stockade Rebellion and enshrined in the first act of the so-called ‘independent’ Parliament of the ‘Commonwealth of Australia’, the ‘Immigration Restriction Act 1901’. In the words of the ‘founding father’ Alfred Deakin: ”That end, put in plain and unequivocal terms … means the prohibition of all alien coloured immigration, and more, it means at the earliest time, by reasonable and just means, the deportation or reduction of the number of aliens now in our midst. The two things go hand in hand, and are the necessary complement of a single policy – the policy of securing a ‘white Australia’” (Aboriginals were declared from the outset ‘colored aliens’).
    In 1996, Senator Hanson warned Australia was “in danger of being swamped by Asians” who have “their own culture and religion, form ghettos and do not assimilate”. After 20 years the same was more explicit: “we will be swamped by the Chinese”. We must ‘stand up’ to their bullying! They don’t want our wine? Fine. We’ll not give them our iron ore (and coal because of the ‘climate change’) and their economy will crumble. Besides ‘We’ve got the subs (sort of), we’ve got the men, we’ve got the money too/We’ve fought the [Panda] Bear before, and while we’re Britons (erh, Ozzies) true/The Chinks shall not have Taiwan”!

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  141. @Seraphim

    I just watched a typical Sinophobic segment on a discussion panel, on the ABC. The ‘guests’ were all anti-China, even the token local Chinese, who knew his place.
    The filthy lies about ‘concentration camps’ in Xinjiang, the Chinese ‘atrocities’ (!!?)there and China’s ‘human rights’ problems were regurgitated without hesitation. The USA was treated as ever, as some sort of global judge of ‘human rights’. The ludicrous proposition that Austfailia, that locks up refugees, including children, until they go mad, that joined enthusiastically in the genocide in Iraq, as in Korea and Indochina, that supports the racist barbarity of Israel without hesitation, that locks up Indigenous men, women and children at the world’s highest rate, that has an age of criminal responsibility of TEN, in order to lock up c.96% Indigenous children, that still does not acknowledge the genocide of the Indigenous in the ‘settlement’ of the country, that supported apartheid South Africa from 1947 to the 70s etc is fit to dictate to the Chinese, let alone the world’s greatest butchers, the UK and USA and a few other Western racist regimes, is sickening. But every creep and race-hater in public life in this sewer State would swear by that hypocrisy-their livelihoods depend on it. Now the even more vicious SBS, the so-called ‘multicultural’ network, is speaking of ‘atrocities’ as well. The vermin have been given their new scripts.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  142. @Sparkon

    Anyone who still calls anthropogenic climate destabilisation a ‘scam’ is a moron or a psychopathic liar. Or both.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sparkon
  143. @Ralph B. Seymour

    I read some of it then scanned for the word nuclear and had enough of the article. By limiting the discussion to available energy sources except nuclear, the whole article is a waste of time to read and hence, I didn’t.

    The author is correct that green energy is a fraud when it’s proposed as capable of supplying the world’s energy needs. He supplies the logic and simple arithmetic to prove the point. That batteries are going to make up for the intermittent nature of green energy would be a greater environmental problem than fossil fuels are even if one believed in the CO2 nonsense. Given current technology it simply can’t be done. Here’s a short overview of why that’s so.

    What the world needs is a Manhattan Project style push to test modern nuclear designs and then decide on a limited range of nuclear project that should be mass produced in factories to turn out reactors like hot dogs are today. Those reactors are the only possible replacement technology to eliminate fossil fuel usage. The bulk should be power reactors with breeder reactors to supply some of their needs.

    The goal of eliminating fossil fuels is just a money making scheme that also offers the gov’ts of the world the opportunity for more control and more wealth extraction for their wars and other schemes. Fossil fuel use should be limited to where its use makes sense given that electricity is the preferred method of energy supply but not all loads are reasonably amenable to electrification. Nuclear should supply the bulk of the worlds electricity and industrial heat while fossil fuels can conveniently supply a still rather concentrated form of energy for aircraft and other uses that can’t reasonably be powered by stored electrical energy in batteries. Nuclear power could allow for creating liquid fuels that are then burned to power ships, planes, and other large vehicles to be near carbon neutral even though that goal is just part of the green energy scam.

    There is a limit to fossil fuel use and that’s its availability long term. The world’s population is expected to continue expanding and those people need energy. At some point, the supply of fossil fuels will either be insufficient for the worlds needs or so expensive to produce that huge portions won’t be able to afford them. Some people, the controllers, want to limit energy consumption as just another control mechanism. There is no need to limit energy consumption if the source is nuclear. The fuel cost for reactors is a rounding error when calculating the cost to supply electrical power and hence isn’t a limiting factor in keeping up with demand.

    Polluting the world’s oceans with oil exploration and production has already occurred and there are untold numbers of capped wells that may some day silently create an environmental disaster we can’t reasonably contain or clean up. That problem is already there but it’s consequences haven’t materialized yet. Adding to the capped well count isn’t a smart idea when nuclear reactors can eliminate the need for further puncturing the worlds crust. That’s the reason to get rid of fossil fuels, not some CO2 nonsense.

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  144. Seraphim says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The ‘boycott’ is a response to China’s declaration last week that it did not plan to invite US politicians to the event. Xi invited Putin personally instead.

  145. Anonymous[707] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me.

  146. Sparkon says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Could anyone fail to be swayed by your temperate, well-documented remarks name-calling, Mumblebrain?

    Those who prefer facts and reasoned opinion over shrill ad hominem babble may enjoy reading about Japan’s plans to build a dozen or more new coal-fired power plants, with 150 already in operation on the nation of islands, as reported in this article by Eric Worrall over at Watts Up With That, where the articles and discussions are much more STEM-oriented than anything you’ll regularly read at UR, and most of the contributors and commenters there dismiss or downplay any role of carbon dioxide (CO₂) in global warming.

    The comments under Eric Worrall’s article at WUWT include some discussion about the ongoing construction of the Vogtle 3 and 4 nuclear power plant projects in the U.S. state of Georgia.

    Are they done yet?

    Vogtle 1 and 2 at the facility near Waynesboro, GA have been in operation since the late ’80s. The two nuclear power plants have an output of about 2,340 megawatts, and were originally estimated to cost $660 million, but massive cost overruns pushed total construction costs to a dizzying $8.87 billion before the project was completed.

    But that was just the appetizer.

    Undeterred, or perhaps encouraged by the experience with Vogtle 1 and 2, Southern Co. and its partners applied for a federal loan guarantee to construct two additional reactors at the Waynesboro site – a pair of 1,100 MW Westinghouse AP1000 reactors.

    Unfortunately if not predictably, costs of Vogtle 3 and 4 have jumped from project estimates of $14 billion to current estimates of $28 billion, cost overruns that forced Toshiba-owned Westinghouse Electric Co. to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

    So the project is $14 billion over budget and 5 years behind schedule, almost making the $500 million taxpayer loss from Obama’s bankrupt Solyndra boondoggle look like chump change.

    Psst: But no worries; money grows on trees right in your back pocket, and besides, they’re saving the planet from Thermogeddon – doncha know? – a planet without snowflakes or Polar bears, and I got that straight from Chicken Little.

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  147. @RoatanBill

    Riding a scooter in a NY winter to save fuel??? Are you talking aboutnNYC or somewhere in Sullivan County??? Because in NYC over 50 percent of trips are made on electric trains – which are more efficient than if those people were all on cars… And actually I see you said you worked in NY – well then you must have observed many NY’rs do indeed ride bikes all year round. Bike share is popular now too – just as it was already in Asia.
    And no – I dont know about Phoenix because i have never been. I only hear that it is hot dry heat. But I would ask why not use geothermal for cooling??? Why is that not an option??? I can however compare to the Caribbean where in many cases – which I know and experienced first hand – than many well off residents do not use electric air conditioning. Why? They build large homes that get very good cross ventilation and they tend to build where there is sufficent breeze. So even in brand new places that have built in AC units people tend to prefer the fresh air… And maybe a good ceiling fan. So that person – in addition to other lifestyle examples – will still have lower energy consumption per capita than that person you describe in Phoenix.

    I wont even touch on Asia. Point being even if we have all the nuclear plants in the world… Waste is waste. Weather you are talking energy use – plastic use – or even clothes. The fact is that everywhere else outside North America the wealthy nation use less per capita of all of those things… An average German has a higher quality of life than the average American – while using less resources per capita.

    I cant believe an electrical engineer claims the US is not crowded because Americans are wise enough to stop breeding. Anywhere in the world as wealth increases fertility drops. Even India now this year has dropped to replacement levels. North America is a relatively empty continent for historical reasons…. I honestly cant believe you said that. Indeed many Europeans left Europe because they felt it was crowded. They didnt lower their birth rate when they gor to the US. Economic development did that…. Just like it does everywhere else.

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  148. @Showmethereal

    I honestly cant believe you said that.

    The reason you can’t believe it is because I never said it. You made that up in your head.

    Ever try sleeping in 95 degree heat with 80+% relative humidity? I have when our AC went out on the island. It’s near impossible to sleep and you wake up in a puddle of sweat. No one in his right mind would build a home without A/C when living in the Caribbean. The days of leaving your windows open to catch a breeze are long gone due to crime. Get real.

    I see you’re stuck on the per capita nonsense and refuse to acknowledge that because the US is spread out and large, that that alone accounts for a huge amount of energy usage. The world’s appliances are all coming from the same place. Therefore their electrical usage is roughly the same, unless you’re going to claim Europeans eat less often than the US population. Climactic conditions also account for lots of energy use. You can sweat if you like, but I want he A/C to get a good night’s sleep to be effective the next day.

  149. @RoatanBill

    Judging by the Pickwickian body habitus of the average Merkan, I would say that they do eat more often, and much more, and of junk, than Euros. And ‘eat’ might not be precise-‘consume’ might be better, to catch the psychic context.

  150. @Sparkon

    Watts is the denialist moron’s nirvana, where their few remaining brain cells go to die. Japan building coal power stations won’t change the science, you malevolent buffoon. It will just hasten the process, the Great Culling that you monsters are determined to see happen. I didn’t really believe in Satan, despite meeting many a wrong ‘un, until the denialists crawled out of their sewers-then I believed.

  151. @RoatanBill

    We passed the limit of fossil fuel use decades ago. As an obscurantist, a deliberate and knowing denier of science and reality, you propose continuing to burn fossil fuels for a while yet, seeing as you expect to be dead when the shit hits the fan. As for your unfortunate descendants-stiff cheese, as the rats say.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  152. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I think I convincingly argue that on the whole fossil fuels are a problem and highlight one that most people have never thought of, namely capped wells starting to leak. Further, the main thrust of the comment was to move fossil fuels aside with nuclear as its replacement. I offer the continued use of fossil fuels where no other readily available option exists and even there suggest that nuclear reactors could supply the power to manufacture liquid fuel replacements for fossil fuels.

    The logic for that suggestion derives from knowing that that tech exists at a lab level but I’m not aware of an industry that exists to supply that product today at scale and therefore if we want to continue having commercial airline flights, fossil fuels are the only option. Although I didn’t mention it, any manufactured hydrocarbon replacement fuel would likely be carbon neutral. I relied on my comment being read by intelligent people that could surmise as much and because I don’t care about the CO2 issue since it’s just a money making control scam that will be shown up in the coming years as the earth cools due to its cyclical nature.

    That you can extract a sliver of my comments that allow you to then build a straw man while ignoring the rest is to be expected from you. I included a disparaging reference to CO2 specifically with you in mind because I knew you couldn’t resist any opportunity to show your true nature.

    Now let us focus on the content of your comment. Did you supply any logic to refute my observations? I certainly can’t locate any logic at all. Did you refrain from name calling as I’ve politely requested of you several times in the past? No. I suspect your motivation to reply was specifically to use it as an opportunity to do what you do best and that is to fling shit.

    I admit that I’m guilty of encouraging your behavior by attempting to communicate with you on numerous occasions and using those occasions to try to get you to stick to the issue involved and not get side tracked into personal recriminations. I saw a glimmer of success recently which was encouraging, but then you fell back into your old ways as is evidenced in your latest reply.

    I conclude you are an incorrigible shit flinger not worthy of any future replies so I’ll make that my new policy for you. I’ll create a filter in my email client to trash all emails containing your handle so as you undoubtedly continue your monkey like behavior, I’ll not be bothered by it.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  153. @RoatanBill

    I made up nothing in my head… You said other continets are crowded because people were too stupid to limit their breeding. It is right there above for everyone to see.

    Those days are not long gone. I am in the Carribbean every year still…. People put bars on the windows to keep out thieves and they have guard dogs and camera systems and guard companies that do neighborhood patrols.. Again i am talking upper middle class. The poor dont even have a choice. Maybe you are just thinking about expats like yourself. People who lived there for generations think differently.

    Europeans eat much smaller portions than Americans. That is a fact. Americans also eat far more meat than even other rich countries as well. You do realize the US and Mexico are the most obese countries on the planet right??? Wealth and waste and overindulgence are not the same thing. Wealth doesnt have to equal gluttony… As national rankings show.

    How are you an electrical engineer and dont think per capita counts??? How did you design systems for locals..?? I deal with business operations and per unit ALWAYS counts in any measure we do… well if we expect to please the ownership.

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  154. @Showmethereal

    I cant believe an electrical engineer claims the US is not crowded because Americans are wise enough to stop breeding.

    Show me where I said something even close to this. Specifically, point out the sentence. I’ll wait.

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  155. @RoatanBill

    The ‘sliver’ of your arguments that invites, indeed demands, derision and contempt is the lunatic assertion, plainly a religious belief, that ‘…the CO2 issue (is) ..just a money making control scam..’. Pure stupidity. Genocidal imbecility.

  156. @RoatanBill

    Comment 139. You didnt explicitly write that. The discussion was of the US being mostly open land with plent of space. Your next thought names continents that are too crowded because people are dumb and wont stop breeding…. When I learned writing – that is called juxstaposition.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  157. @Showmethereal

    When someone puts words into another person’s mouth, I call that unwarranted.

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