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Soldiers destroy the Iron Curtain at Slovakian city (now capital) Bratislava, on December 11, 1989. Photo: AFP
Soldiers destroy the Iron Curtain at Slovakian city (now capital) Bratislava, on December 11, 1989. Photo: AFP

Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s Foreign Minister, is the world’s foremost diplomat. The son of an Armenian father and a Russian mother, he’s just on another level altogether. Here, once again, we may be able to see why.

Let’s start with the annual meeting of the Valdai Club, Russia’s premier think tank. Here we may follow the must-watch presentation of the Valdai annual report on “The Utopia of a Diverse World”, featuring, among others, Lavrov, John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, Dominic Lieven of the University of Cambridge and Yuri Slezkine of UCLA/Berkeley.

It’s a rarity to be able to share what amounts to a Himalayan peak in terms of serious political debate. We have, for instance, Lieven – who, half in jest, defined the Valdai report as “Tolstoyian, a little anarchical” – focusing on the current top two, great interlocking challenges: climate change and the fact that “350 years of Western and 250 years of Anglo-American predominance are coming to an end.”

As we see the “present world order fading in front of our eyes”, Lieven notes a sort of “revenge of the Third World”. But then, alas, Western prejudice sets in all over again, as he defines China reductively as a “challenge”.

Mearsheimer neatly remembers we have lived, successively, under a bipolar, unipolar and now multipolar world: with China, Russia and the US, “Great Power Politics is back on the table.”

He correctly assesses that after the dire experience of the “century of humiliation, the Chinese will make sure they are really powerful.” And that will set the stage for the US to deploy a “highly-aggressive containment policy”, just like it did against the USSR, that “may well end up in a shooting match”.

“I trust Arnold more than the EU”

Lavrov, in his introductory remarks, had explained that in realpolitik terms, the world “cannot be run from one center alone.” He took time to stress the “meticulous, lengthy and sometimes ungrateful” work of diplomacy.

It was later, in one of his interventions, that he unleashed the real bombshell (starting at 1:15:55; in Russian, overdubbed in English): “When the European Union is speaking as a superior, Russia wants to know, can we do any business with Europe?”

He mischievously quotes Schwarzenegger, “who in his movies always said ‘Trust me’. So I trust Arnold more than the European Union”.

And that leads to the definitive punch line: “The people who are responsible for foreign policy in the West do not understand the necessity of mutual respect in dialogue. And then probably for some time we have to stop talking to them.” After all, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen had stated, on the record, that for the EU, “there is no geopolitical partnership with modern Russia”.

Lavrov went even further in a stunning, wide-ranging interview with Russian radio stations whose translation deserves to be carefully read in full.

Here is just one of the most crucial snippets:

Lavrov: “No matter what we do, the West will try to hobble and restrain us, and undermine our efforts in the economy, politics, and technology. These are all elements of one approach.”

Question: “Their national security strategy states that they will do so.”

Lavrov: “Of course it does, but it is articulated in a way that decent people can still let go unnoticed, but it is being implemented in a manner that is nothing short of outrageous.”

Question: You, too, can articulate things in a way that is different from what you would really like to say, correct?”

Lavrov: “It’s the other way round. I can use the language I’m not usually using to get the point across. However, they clearly want to throw us off balance, and not only by direct attacks on Russia in all possible and conceivable spheres by way of unscrupulous competition, illegitimate sanctions and the like, but also by unbalancing the situation near our borders, thus preventing us from focusing on creative activities. Nevertheless, regardless of the human instincts and the temptations to respond in the same vein, I’m convinced that we must abide by international law.”

Moscow stands unconditionally by international law – in contrast with the proverbial “rules of the liberal international order” jargon parroted by NATO and its minions such as the Atlantic Council.

And here it is all over again, a report extolling NATO to “Ramp Up on Russia”, blasting Moscow’s “aggressive disinformation and propaganda campaigns against the West, and unchecked adventurism in the Middle East, Africa, and Afghanistan.”

The Atlantic Council insists on how those pesky Russians have once again defied “the international community by using an illegal chemical weapon to poison opposition leader Alexei Navalny. NATO’s failure to halt Russia’s aggressive behavior puts the future of the liberal international order at risk.”

Only fools falling for the blind leading the blind syndrome don’t know that these liberal order “rules” are set by the Hegemon alone, and can be changed in a flash according to the Hegemon’s whims.

So it’s no wonder a running joke in Moscow is “if you don’t listen to Lavrov, you will listen to Shoigu.” Sergey Shoigu is Russia’s Minister of Defense, supervising all those hypersonic weapons the US industrial-military complex can only dream about.

The crucial point is even with so much NATO-engendered hysteria, Moscow could not give a damn because of its de facto military supremacy. And that freaks Washington and Brussels out even more.

What’s left is Hybrid War eruptions following the RAND corporation-prescribed non-stop harassment and “unbalancing” of Russia, in Belarus, the southern Caucasus and Kyrgyzstan – complete with sanctions on Lukashenko and on Kremlin officials for the Navalny “poisoning”.

“You do not negotiate with monkeys”

ORDER IT NOW

What Lavrov just made it quite explicit was a long time in the making. “Modern Russia” and the EU were born almost at the same time. On a personal note, I experienced it in an extraordinary fashion. “Modern Russia” was born in December 1991 – when I was on the road in India, then Nepal and China. When I arrived in Moscow via the Trans-Siberian in February 1992, the USSR was no more. And then, flying back to Paris, I arrived at a European Union born in that same February.

One of Valdai’s leaders correctly argues that the daring concept of a “Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok” coined by Gorbachev in 1989, right before the collapse of the USSR, unfortunately “had no document or agreement to back it up.”

And yes, “Putin searched diligently for an opportunity to implement the partnership with the EU and to further rapprochement. This continued from 2001 until as late as 2006.”

We all remember when Putin, in 2010, proposed exactly the same concept, a common house from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and was flatly rebuffed by the EU. It’s very important to remember this was four years before the Chinese would finalize their own concept of the New Silk Roads.

Afterwards, the only way was down. The final Russia-EU summit took place in Brussels in January 2014 – an eternity in politics.

The fabulous intellectual firepower gathered at the Valdai is very much aware that the Iron Curtain 2.0 between Russia and the EU simply won’t disappear.

And all this while the IMF, The Economist and even that Thucydides fallacy proponent admit that China is already, in fact, the world’s top economy.

Russia and China share an enormously long border. They are engaged in a complex, multi-vector “comprehensive strategic partnership”. That did not develop because the estrangement between Russia and the EU/NATO forced Moscow to pivot East, but mostly because the alliance between the world’s neighboring top economy and top military power makes total Eurasian sense – geopolitically and geoeconomically.

And that totally corroborates Lieven’s diagnosis of the end of “250 years of Anglo-American predominance.”

It was up to inestimable military analyst Andrey Martyanov, whose latest book I reviewed as a must read, to come up with the utmost deliciously devastating assessment of Lavrov’s “We had enough” moment:

“Any professional discussion between Lavrov and former gynecologist [actually epidemiologist] such as von der Leyen, including Germany’s Foreign Minister Maas, who is a lawyer and a party worm of German politics is a waste of time. Western “elites” and “intellectuals” are simply on a different, much lower level, than said Lavrov. You do not negotiate with monkeys, you treat them nicely, you make sure that they are not abused, but you don’t negotiate with them, same as you don’t negotiate with toddlers. They want to have their Navalny as their toy – let them. I call on Russia to start wrapping economic activity up with EU for a long time. They buy Russia’s hydrocarbons and hi-tech, fine. Other than that, any other activity should be dramatically reduced and necessity of the Iron Curtain must not be doubted anymore.”

As much as Washington is not “agreement-capable”, in the words of President Putin, so is the EU, says Lavrov: “We should stop to orient ourselves toward European partners and care about their assessments.”

Not only Russia knows it: the overwhelming majority of the Global South also knows it.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. SteveK9 says:

    Russia is a European Country with a European Culture … they should leave the door open. Politics change, and it would be a terrible shame if the West lost Russia and vice versa.

  2. Ricko says:

    The below series of quotes are from a speech a famous person gave back in 1920. He was a person who didn’t like what was happening in Russia at that time. And hopefully Russia has got rid of the cancer that caused her ills back then.

    What’s very interesting about these quotes is that the speech they are taken from could be applied verbatim to what’s happening today in Europe, Canada and the USA.

    [MORE]

    ‘Chief Rabbi said in Jerusalem: “Establishment of this state is not the most important; it is far from certain if it will at all be possible … [because we] materially and in fact are the masters of several states; we control them financially, economically and politically.”’

    ‘He is a Jew; he works aglow with one thought: How do I get my people to become the Master Race.’

    ‘They penetrated into other races for millennia. And we know very well that wherever they stayed long enough symptoms of decay appeared and the peoples could do nothing else than to liberate themselves from the uninvited guest or to disappear themselves.’

    ‘Only when they [Jews] became shaky in their rule … [they] suddenly became … populist[s] and discovered … [their] wide open heart[s] for the needs of the broad masses.’

    ‘[They] descend … to the people, fighting for democracy, of which … [they] know … that it will be in … [their] … hand[s], and steered by … [them]; he owns it, he becomes a dictator.’

    ‘The … pillar against which the Jew as a parasite turns, and must turn, is the national purity as a source of the strength of a nation.’

    ‘When the Jew has destroyed the state according to these three major aspects, when he has undermined the state-forming and sustaining power, the ethical conception of work, the racial purity of a people and its spiritual life, he puts to the ax[e] the authority of reason in the state and puts in its place the so-called authority of the majority of the crowd, and he knows that this majority will dance as he whistles because he has the means to direct it: He has the Press … and he knows how to harness public opinion through the Press in order to dominate the state.’

    ‘[The Jew’s promote] … the physical decomposition of races. The Jew is trying to eliminate all of which he knows that is somehow strengthening, muscle-steeling, and eliminate above all everything of that which he knows may keep a race so healthy that it will remain determined not to tolerate among themselves national criminals, pests to the national community …’

    ‘[And] here we see the same Jew who himself has enough religious customs which others could easily mock, but no one does, as we, in principle, never ridicule religion because it is sacred to us. But he tries to destroy [Christianity] … without offering a substitute. Who today, in this age of the vilest deceit and swindle, is detached from it; for him there are just two more possibilities, either he hangs himself in despair or becomes a crook.’

    ‘They are always ready to tear apart the happiness of any marriage, if only 30 pieces of silver can be made … [t]hey tell us today that all that which was known as family life is a completely outlived notion.’

    ‘… he creates the [transgender debauchery, open borders] … and knows exactly that it works slowly but surely, gradually destroying the healthy strength of a race, making it soft …’

    ‘First a race must be denationalized. First it must unlearn that its power is in its blood, and when it has reached the level where it has no more pride, the result is a product, a second race, which is lower than the previous one and the Jew needs the lower one in order to organize his final world domination.’

    ‘We know that the Hindus in India are a mixed people, stemming from the high Aryan immigrants and from the dark aborigines. And this nation bears the consequences, for it is a slave nation of a race that may seem in many ways almost as a second Jewry [England].’

    ‘The Jew, who is himself a nationalist more than any other nation, who through millennia did not mix with any other race, uses … [inter-breeding] just for others to degenerate them … this same Jew preaches every day with thousands of tongues, from 19,000 [news]papers … that all nations on Earth are equal, that international solidarity should bind all the peoples, that no people can lay a claim to a special status, etc, and, above all, that no nation has a reason to be proud of anything that is called or is national.’

    ‘… a master pretending to be a socialist …’

    ‘These proletarian-minded persons are some Jewish billionaires, and we know very well that behind 2 or 3 proletarians ultimately stands another organization which is outside of the state: the Alliance Israelite and their grandiose propaganda organization and the organization of Freemasonry.’

    ‘… wherever the Jew appeared in political parties, hunger and misery was the only soil in which he could grow.’

    ‘[We’ve been told:] “It’s not necessary for us to organize ourselves more closely, it is sufficient that the scientific knowledge of the danger of Jewry gradually deepens and the individual, on the basis of this knowledge, begins to remove the Jews from himself.” But I very much fear that this whole beautiful line of thought was designed by none other than a Jew himself.’

    These quotes are from a speech Herr A.H. gave in 1920 at the Hofbräuhaus, Germany.
    https://carolynyeager.net/why-we-are-antisemites-text-adolf-hitlers-1920-speech-hofbr%C3%A4uhaus

    • Agree: the grand wazoo
    • Thanks: Druid, Sick of Orcs, annamaria
    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @Ugetit
  3. @SteveK9

    Russia is a European Country with a European Culture … they should leave the door open. Politics change, and it would be a terrible shame if the West lost Russia and vice versa.

    Most of the Europeans I know (and I know quite a few because I live in Europe) do not consider Russians to be European. It’s not the Russians who have closed the door … they are merely ensuring it doesn’t hit them in the nose. That is indeed a shame, because, as Escobar suggests, the EU is setting itself to be colonised by the global south, as is the U.K. and the Hegemon. 1992 and beyond was indeed a great squandering of opportunity.

  4. A123 says:

    No One Can “Do Business” with the EU

    Look at the EU’s persistent irrationality trying to negotiate with the UK. How long have Brexit talks been blocked by EU Elite intransigence?

    They cannot even cope internally. The Dark Heart of Europe keeps trying to kill freedom & individual rights. In response, the Christian Populist members of the EU have positioned themselves to veto Merkel’s fascist budget trap. (1)

    While all 27 EU heads of state and government approved the budget and recovery package at a summit in July, national parliaments must still ratify the budget and a so-called Own Resources Decision, which provides the EU with legal guarantees from its member countries regarding budget revenues.

    Council President Charles Michel declared triumphantly that he had succeeded in ensuring there would be strong rule-of-law protections as part of the package. But Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki also claimed victory, saying the wording had been softened enough to give them the ability to veto any proposed regulation.

    Everyone should abandon attempts to do business with the EU. The only solution is to end the flailing unworkable mess in an peaceful and orderly manner.

    Of course, the SJW Sharia Globalist MegaCorporations hate that idea. It would derail their goal of undercutting infidel (Christian & Jewish) workers via faux-refugee migration.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-joins-hungary-in-threat-to-block-eus-landmark-budget-and-recovery-package/

    • Replies: @Druid
  5. Russia wishes it had the military capabilities the U.S. has. They made the same claim during the Cold War, and they had exactly nothing. They may have a little more firepower today, but nothing like America.

  6. @coolhand850

    Coolhand, you don’t really keep up, do you.

    Putin’s hypersonic missiles can turn your hearth into ashes, before
    you can say до свида́ния. (anglicized dasvidaniya, or as Arnold says “hasta la vista, baby.”)

  7. Europe has gone full anal and Globo-Homo. Putin knows he can’t trust homos. He CERTAINLY can’t trust the Pope.

    Папа пошел в полный анал. Он разрушает католическую веру и доктрину.

    • Replies: @Druid
  8. Culturally, the old Communist East that is within the EU, has more in common with Russia than with the Western Europeans

    Tho it is taking time for the old anti-Russian instincts to fade away

    And even within the West, there are regions and countries – the perhaps-soon-independent Flanders, and much of Italy as things proceed – for whom this also is in part true

    Russia needs only to wait

    • Replies: @Hojer
    , @annamaria
  9. Derer says:
    @coolhand850

    You are reading too many comic books. Could you provide sources of your expertise?

  10. Steven80 says:

    Russia is NOT Europe. Anyone who considers this either has no clue of history and has never been there, or both, or has just been to Moscow for a while and has the wrong impression.

    Contemporary Russia is a military descendand of the Golden Horde, (Altun Orda), absorbing the tartar, nogai and kalmyk nobility by resettling them to Moscow upon conquest. Their medieval rulers had tartar titles such as beylerbeg, used tartar outfits and arabic script on their coins. Russian state organised its existence based on military districts similar to those of the mongols (hence Belarus for example – white russia – white is the mongolian west wing of the army district in the mongol system, before that belarus was call Zhmutia).

    Russia is also spiritual descendant of the Byzantine and Bulgarian states (bulgarians such as Saint Cyprian and Grigori Tsamblak actually delivered byzantine ortodoxy rites to russia due to similarity of languages, not greeks). Old church slavonic is actually old bulgarian, and this greek-slavonic culture has its peculiarities – in the eastern rites, the person closest to god is not the richest , but the one who has more faith. This in consequence makes those societies look for “saints” as rulers, and be never content with the people they rule them. Stability is achieved only with mild tyranny or the presence of extraordinary rulers, hence the economy is always behind the collective west. Anyway, the topic is too damn long, the short story is – don’t ever beleive Russia is part of europe such as austria for example.

    Russia is not part of Europe. It is something else – just like Malta, that speak semitic and the locals look like north africans, but some people say it is Europe.

    The westernization of the muscovite tsardom only started in the 17-th century, and the process has been stopped several times (napoleon, one of the alexander kings, bolsheviks, now putin). the westerners still beleive Russia can be subdued because the slavs are savages and lack economy.
    Eastern ortodoxy brings a peculiar mindset, that is hard to grasp by western politicians, and it is not materialistic – it brings things like being content with your position in the world without wanting more stuff, and the same time each one has to reach god by himself and no other authority is valid. Pepe doens’t grasp this aspect – the overwhelming non-commercial, truth seeking part of the russians that westerners cannot see because of savage and poor looks and blunt directness. It will play us all a bad joke in the next war.

  11. Menes says: • Website

    Pepe wrote:

    the daring concept of a “Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok” coined by Gorbachev in 1989

    Putin, in 2010, proposed exactly the same concept, a common house from Lisbon to Vladivostok, and was flatly rebuffed by the EU. It’s very important to remember this was four years before the Chinese would finalize their own concept of the New Silk Roads.

    And that’s why the Russia-China alliance is doomed to first falter, then fail. It isn’t exactly a full embrace even now. Eventually, Russia and China will be at each others throats for they are, in the final analysis, civilizational adversaries.

    Second, it is absurd to compare the New Silk Road to the Gorbachev/Putin dream of a united Europe that includes Russia and its vast swath of occupied asian territory. The New Silk Road, like the old Silk Road, is not a colonial land-grabbing enterprise. It traverses through multiple civilizations without claiming their lands for China.

    the alliance between the world’s neighboring top economy and top military power makes total Eurasian sense – geopolitically and geoeconomically.

    There is no feasible future for this alliance. The Chinese saying “one mountain cannot contain two tigers” should tell you that. China expects that ultimately one civilization will rule the mountain, planet Earth. It’s goal is to be that civilization. It sees the Anglosphere, as it’s only real rival. It is the Anglosphere that came the closest to ruling the whole world. And China knows that Russia is a part of European civilization, that will switch sides as soon as geopolitics and geoeconomics change.

  12. anon[225] • Disclaimer says:

    Mearsheimer did nice work popping the pus out of the Israel lobby so we could all go, Ew, so it’s sad to see him fixate on discredited CIA realist doctrine when the civilized world has moved on:

    http://www.ohchr.org/EN/Issues/IntOrder/Pages/IEInternationalorderIndex.aspx

    De Zayas should have been at Valdai instead of Mearsheimer because this is what the G-192 thinks, that is, what everybody thinks. If the SCO has to enforce this consensus at gunpoint, they’re fine with that. We should be too. It’s everybody in the world including us against the CIA regime, hostis humani generis.

  13. Realist says:
    @coolhand850

    Russia wishes it had the military capabilities the U.S. has.

    If the US is so scientifically superior to Russia…why does the US need Russia to bring their astronauts home?

    https://phys.org/news/2020-10-trio-space-station-earth-safely.html

  14. Magro says:

    Great Pepe Escobar. Excellent article. See ’75 years after ‘Stunde Null,’ collapse in Russian-German relations is driven by Berlin’s renewed desire to dominate Europe’ by Glenn Diesen explaining Germany role on that.

  15. Putin’s failure to come to terms with the EU was oil fuelled arrogance. He took the (sour grapes) view relayed by Lavrov that the EU was required by necessity to buy Russian hydrocarbons. As that was all Russia had to offer he didn’t need any deal with the EU.

    Putin abetted by Lavrov has been as stupid in foreign policy as he has been brilliant in domestic policy. Lavrov as a diplomat has been a total failure, opting for confrontation or fawning as his style in every case. He doesn’t know how to approach a deal without provocation or surrender.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams, AnonFromTN
  16. Anonymous[326] • Disclaimer says:

    The EU/Economist still think that are dealing with cunts such as Gorbachev or Yeltsin.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
  17. Rahan says:
    @Menes

    China expects that ultimately one civilization will rule the mountain, planet Earth. It’s goal is to be that civilization.

    There don’t seem to be even a hint of this in the entire long history of China. To the contrary, all they’ve ever wanted was to be left alone. All the 19th century clashes with the West were along the lines of “please leave us alone” vs “we will never leave you alone, suckers”

  18. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:

    Some stupid (that is to say all of them) loud mouthed low browed EU bigwig only needs to get a bit too fresh and uppity with Turkey’s Erdogan, (you know the kind of thing, some third rate tosser starts sounding off about ‘human rights’ to make himself look big and pompous), and therefore tick Erdogan off a bit too much, for Erdogan to retaliate by unleashing 3 million plus ‘refugees’ into the EU. Knowing the absolutely appalling lack of caliber and intelligence of EU bigwigs, this will inevitably happen in the near future. Just watch this space.

    That day will certainly head the eventual and inevitable dissolution of the EU.

    It’s just all so fucking clear and obvious to anyone who’s got a brain.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  19. @coolhand850

    Firepower is not the only way to win a war. Today, it’s not Russia, but the USA that is a vastly overstretched empire; and the Atlanticist vassals running the EU are nothing without their master in the White House.

    • Agree: Ugetit
  20. @Menes

    That’s a nice Chinese saying. I will supplement it by saying that: “Tigers need mates to bear whelps for the future. This planet has more than one mountain.”

    • Agree: GMC
  21. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Menes

    The trouble with this ‘analysis’ is very very simple:

    Namely, that the brainless *SHIT* which runs the EU – who, by, the way are real deal undemocratic unelected unaccountable tyrants and dictators – *absolutely* could not give a fuck about *real* ethnic genetic Europeans.
    All they care about are third worlders, of whom they wish to stuff as many into the EU as possible. Remember Merkel?

    Most intelligent Europeans know this.
    The Russian high command knows this.
    The Chinese know this.

    So your ‘point’ is pure garbage.

  22. Hojer says:
    @brabantian

    Culturally, the old Communist East that is within the EU, has more in common with Russia than with the Western Europeans

    From another point of view the old West has now more in common with communist-like totalitarian zeitgeist and rule of propaganda then old communist East, only colours changed from red to anti-white globo homo.
    Not happy with that having experienced 17 years of vanishing red rule, now seeing it rebranded on the rise again in one of the EU bound countries affected (Czechia). Just saying.

  23. @Anonymous

    You do realize that a border has two sides. Turkey can pull down their side and if the EU countries want to contain that move, all they have to do is close their border from their side.

    Having said that, it does appear that the EU doesn’t understand this obvious situation.

    If I were in charge, I’d place signs all along the border stating categorically that entering without permission is suicide and back it up with an example if necessary. This constant pussy footing around is tedious.

  24. A123 says:
    @RoatanBill

    Greece is adding to their razor wire topped walls and fences with Turkey.

    From February 28 to August 3 this year, over 60,000 illegal immigrants were prevented from entering Greece from the Evros area on the Greek-Turkish border region.

    The border fence project has a total budget of €62.9 million. It will have a total length of 27 kilometres and eight elevated observatories will be constructed to be used by the Hellenic Army. Moreover, the existing fence will be reinforced with a steel railing measuring 4.3 meters in height, instead of the current 3.5 meters.

    Put me in charge, and I could stop the illegals in a matter of days. One easy policy:

    — All fighting age males will be turned over to Assad for conscription as expendable shock troops.

    It is a win-win-win.

    With that much additional manpower, Assad would be able to drive Turkish interlopers and Iranian al’Hezbollah terrorists out of his Syria.

    It would open the door to Russia-U.S.-Syria cooperation. Once Iran is 100% gone, Deep State obstructionists in the U.S. establishment would not be able to interfere with Trump pulling troops out of “ahem….. oil field defense” positions.

    Alas, Greek leaders are not willing to go that far. Yet…

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/10/19/evros-border-fence-advancing-rapidly/

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  25. Vidi says:
    @Menes

    And that’s why the Russia-China alliance is doomed to first falter, then fail [because Russia is fundamentally European].

    China hasn’t killed millions of Russians, ever. If you think the Russians have forgotten Napoleon and Hitler, think again.

    • Disagree: GomezAdddams
  26. @A123

    In the case of the US, the military could put automated rifles every so often to guard a stretch of open ground. By placing signage in a neutral area between the firing range and the Mexican border that warns of imminent death if crossed, that should be enough to stop people after a few examples of the truth of the warning are advertised.

    How many illegals die each year crossing the desert or getting killed via heat stroke or suffocation in the back of a truck? I’d bet that fewer lives would be lost with the blatant use of deadly weapons than are lost now by the current failed policy that doesn’t really reduce illegal entry.

    The wall approach also does nothing about people entering via a visa on an airline and then simply overstaying their visa and disappearing into the sanctuary cities. After advertising a new law that contains a 90 day grace period to allow them to get out of the country, those folks caught in the country illegally could be given a 3 year hard labor sentence fixing infrastructure for the first offense with a doubling of the time from the previous offense for recidivism.

    Fair warning plus a real cost to be paid should do the trick for the bulk of the problem. But no one want to actually solve the problem. They just want to pretend on both sides of the issue.

  27. syd.bgd says:
    @Steven80

    You really think that you know that much about Orthodox mindset so you can project your guessing on our Slav states, history, economies?
    You see, even Victor Pelevin can only wonder about it more and more with each of his books, so your Weberesque sub-classifications are futile. Nice try, but …

    You better try to think about more material and easy to understand facts of economies of our states, our lives and western perceptions. Ruined to dust three times in 20th century alone. World wars, twice. Revolutions, twice. Human price? Enormous, the biggest in educated segment of societies (including priests and monks). They were always the first to be butchered, sent to concentration camps (the first in Europe were built by Serb civilian detainees in Austro-Hungarian Empire during WW1, Mauthausen for example, before Stalin’s and Hitler’s camps), killed by revolutions, exported in mass numbers since 1990. when industries were devastated.

    We are satisfied with less and deep down enjoy different things regardless how someone understands our religion, philosophy of history or whatever. It is because we start from low, but the most imoportant point: it is just enough not to be hungry and cold on the run to taiga or mountains for our lives, not randomly and savagely killed by occupiers (in Serbian case, Roman Catholics and Sunni Moslems) or revolutionaries with empty souls and heads full of western ideological points.
    These are nice and highly valued things for all people, anytime, anyplace. Looks like that folks in the West suffer of massive amnesia in that regard, deliberately or not. That is the stuff that can be found in prayers ahead of meals … yap, redneck and conservative assholes … and meaning of them has nothing to do with availability of Mac Donald’s or home deliveries.
    For us death, hunger, desperation and bestial violence are fresh memories. They are in each and every family. We know where suffering came from and because of which of earthly reasons. (“Why” is a much deeper question and the answer is in reflection inside Orthodox Christian teachings.)

    So, long story short. That’s why S. Lavrov, since nobody there cares about warnings, now even more politely says: “F**k off, you lawless hypocrites.”

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, annamaria
    • Replies: @Steven80
  28. And that totally corroborates Lieven’s diagnosis of the end of “250 years of Anglo-American predominance.”

    Anglo-American Power cucked to Jewish Supremacist Power.

  29. We have, for instance, Lieven… focusing on the current top two, great interlocking challenges: climate change and the fact that “350 years of Western and 250 years of Anglo-American predominance are coming to an end.”

    I was under the impression this was about serious topics, not liberal claptrap. My mistake.

    Every problem liberal cockroaches claim is a calamity—discrimination against “transgender women of color”, police brutality, systemic racism, COVID-19, the Chinese crackdown on Uyghur militants and the Hong Kong chapter of Antifa, and, of course, “climate change”—is imaginary, inconsequential, or an actual positive. Everything liberals claim to be a positive or dismiss as inconsequential—”diversity”, mass Third World immigration, Moslem barbarity, BLM and Antifa riots, rigged elections, the normalization of sodomy, feminism, sexual liberation—is a calamity.

    • Agree: Fred777
  30. Steven80 says:
    @syd.bgd

    Sorry, I don’t think I explained myself well. I know about the enormous human, economic and intelectual devastation that happened in the 20-th century, and I don’t deny it. But it takes centuries to create a mindset. Prussia became disciplined war machine within 8 generations, Tokugava Japan became disciplined and unified within 8 generations, and Russia… it is not a country and people that just appeared in the 20-th century. There is fresh memory, yes, and it saves Russia from the current degeneration; what about tomorrow, when milenials hooked to their phones start adopting holiwood culture? It will still be different than the West. I am not sure I describe well, my point was that there is something else in people, that doesn’t change so easily with news and fashion, something like collective mindset that mothers bring to their children, a different view of good/bad/what is expected from someone in a situation. This is more related to now forgotten ortodox worldview and ancient slavic premordial mindset. Pelevin is trying to grasp it (like I am), but is is not something easy to explain or justify, its more like a gut feeling.

    • Replies: @syd.bgd
  31. Druid says:
    @A123

    You, a mega-TROLL are back again with your sharia-corporations bs. The world know you Kyle less own the corporations, media, etc., and are undermining Christianity and Islam. Have you read comment number 2 above. Why don’t you justf off!

    • Agree: Ugetit
  32. @coolhand850

    I wouldn’t be too confident that a country that spends both an inordinate amount of money and an inordinate amount of time to build a piece of shit like the F-35 is ahead in military technology. The rot has become all-pervasive in the U.S. The development of any weapons system, as every other major endeavor in the Washington swamp, is now crippled by massive corruption, gross incompetence, lawsuits of all kinds, “minority set-asides”, and preposterous claptrap in general. What’s more, it will only get worse as “diversity” increases and as the Democrat Party acquires a monopoly on power thanks to that “diversity”.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  33. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:

    Intelligent Europeans must grow up and realise that the EU is antithetical – in fact the biggest enemies – to the white European race.

    This despite those shits having the sheer effrontery of taking the word ‘European’ to describe themselves.

  34. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    Look.

    The EU has – incredibly – tied its arms behind its back, so to speak, by insisting on this fucking stupid, even a 5 year old kid can see it is stupid, ‘refoulement prohibition law’.

    The stupid pompous cunts who run the EU are too fucking stupid and pompous *EVER* to change that law. That is something that can be 100% guaranteed.

  35. Icy Blast says:
    @Menes

    Your punctuation needs work. But your post is excellent for someone who is not a native English-speaker.

    • Replies: @Poluter
  36. antibeast says:
    @Menes

    And that’s why the Russia-China alliance is doomed to first falter, then fail. It isn’t exactly a full embrace even now. Eventually, Russia and China will be at each others throats for they are, in the final analysis, civilizational adversaries.

    If that were true, then Islam should be clashing against China by now, what with the alleged “oppression” of Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang, which is being hyped by the Western “fake news” Media. Instead, China has strategic partnerships with Iran and Pakistan, two of the most powerful Muslim countries in the world, which would contradict your theory of a “Clash of Civilizations”, as expounded by people like Samuel Huntington.

    Same with Russia which sells almost all of its high-tech weapons to non-European countries such as China, India, Iran, Indonesia, etc. but not to the European countries who share the closest ethnic-linguistic-cultural ties to Russia, namely the Slavic countries such as the Czech Republic, Poland, Bulgaria, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Montenegro and North Macedonia, all of whom are members of NATO, a military alliance organized by the USA against the USSR, now being used against their fellow Slavic country, Russia!!!

    There is no feasible future for this alliance. The Chinese saying “one mountain cannot contain two tigers” should tell you that. China expects that ultimately one civilization will rule the mountain, planet Earth. It’s goal is to be that civilization. It sees the Anglosphere, as it’s only real rival. It is the Anglosphere that came the closest to ruling the whole world. And China knows that Russia is a part of European civilization, that will switch sides as soon as geopolitics and geoeconomics change.

    Au contraire, the fact that NATO exists is why Russia has to partner with China, to ensure its own national survival. If anything, it’s NATO that has no feasible future because the USA is not even a European country, masquerading as the “protector” of Europe, against Russia! The Chinese saying “one mountain cannot contain two tigers” applies to the USA because it has no business being the dominant power in NATO to keep Russia out of Europe.

    • Agree: annamaria
  37. Look –in the mirror—-it is imploding—–The Destructors – Graham Greene–mainstreet USA today–the Hollow Men are out and about.

  38. Robo says:

    But in August this year Pepe wrote “ Definitive Eurasian Alliance Is Closer Than You Think”. Has so much changed, so fast?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  39. GeeBee says:
    @Steven80

    a peculiar mindset, that is hard to grasp by western politicians, and it is not materialistic – it brings things like being content with your position in the world without wanting more stuff, and the same time each one has to reach god by himself and no other authority is valid. Pepe doens’t grasp this aspect – the overwhelming non-commercial, truth seeking part of the russians that westerners cannot see because of savage and poor looks and blunt directness.

    This is key. What you describe is a Traditionalist society, that puts the spiritual above the material. The Western obsession with materialism, on the other hand, is a legacy of unrelenting Jewish mercantilism and commercial dominance.

    We in the West therefore live under the unyielding yoke of Modernism, whereby we have become so used to its shallow, arid materialism, that has been carefully and artfully crafted for us over the past 150 years; its wall-to-wall advertising and huckstering; its population of zombified careerists and status-seekers, that we are now like the proverbial goldfish in its bowl, blissfully unaware that there is a wider, more varied and fulfilling world outside the narrow confines it inhabits.

    One thinks of Hamlet: “I could be bound in a nutshell and count myself a king of infinite space, were it not that I have bad dreams”.

    • Agree: Steven80
    • Thanks: annamaria
  40. Levtraro says:
    @The Alarmist

    I know many Europeans too, and many Russians. Contrary to what you say, the Europeans I know consider Russians to be Europeans. The fact that nearly all Russians in Europe have white skin, blue eyes, blonde to light brown hair, come from the same Continent, and share European values, helps a lot!

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  41. padre says:
    @coolhand850

    That is true, you can see it in many examples from previous century when they won a war for the last time!

  42. Levtraro says:
    @Steven80

    Eastern ortodoxy brings a peculiar mindset, that is hard to grasp by western politicians, and it is not materialistic – it brings things like being content with your position in the world without wanting more stuff, and the same time each one has to reach god by himself and no other authority is valid.

    Bollocks. I know many Russians personally. They are indistinguishable from western Europeans, to me they are just like Finns and Swedes, even the accent.

  43. Tom says:
    @The Alarmist

    Good one. Why-hell would Russia want to be culturally and racially polluted like Europe?

  44. Svevlad says:
    @SteveK9

    The thing is, the west lost itself. The instant the current order collapses fully the EU will simply shrug and start being nice with Russia

  45. Svevlad says:
    @Steven80

    Old slavs also used color-coding to mark the directions. White was used for north. An almost forgotten name of Lusatia is White Serbia

  46. GMC says:

    So Russia and Putin was willing to open up 8 time zones to the Europeans and they replied – No – we’d rather go to war with you and take it all. Sorry, but that what it sounds like to me – of course the US/Israel and the Satanic World Order had a stupid hand in the decision . I’ve lived in Switzerland and a little in France 2nd wive – Lausanne and Alsace } – Ukraine and Russia { worked and retired in } and everything I know about living in western Russia , I got from living in Europe – but Russia is Europe, Alaska { my adult life}, Asia, Mid East { mildly } and Nordic at least. The only thing that is keeping the EU afloat is that it is printing Euros just like the Federal Reserve is printing dollars – same tribe owns both printing presses. Good article Pepe.

  47. Ugetit says:
    @Ricko

    I was thinking along the same lines. Both the Japanese and the Germans tried to negotiate as adults but were treated just as the Russians and Chinese are today.

    One can also see the differences in classiness by Hitler’s response to Roosevelt as in Mark Weber’s recent article posted here at UR and in the embarrassingly low quality and juvenility of the candidates for POTUS.

    • Disagree: Ricko
    • Replies: @Ricko
  48. @Levtraro

    … and share European values….

    Lulz … Europeans don’t know what European values are anymore.

  49. Replace the half Armenian with a half Jew and furthermore, accept the supremacy of Israel in their right to veto all actions as European Union has, then, just may be, we will allow the Lisbon to Vladivostok link to emerge, provided of course it’s used primarily to check the Chinese, who are the real enemies. Do we have a deal or do you want to remain isolated in the Siberian cold for a bit longer?

  50. Ugetit says:
    @Ricko

    Thanks again for your comment and the link to the speech, which was excellent, and perfectly applicable to these times as you stated. A “must read.”

    • Replies: @Ricko
  51. syd.bgd says:
    @Steven80

    I see … sorry, I was kind of irritated by generalisation.
    You see … it is absolutely futile to discuss that without deep understanding of Eastern Roman Empire as well as many cynical and purposeful misrepresentations of it.
    Let me illustrate. Letters for Slavic languages were deliberately created in order to spread Eastern Mediterranian monotheistic religion and civilization to lands and people unknown even for well informed Constantinopolis superpower at the time. The point is not in more practical solution developed on Greek letters in Bulgaria, but in power of idea. And that particular one was developed at academia, formulated as policy and executed as writing system by leading Christian intellectuals of 9th century. Change of dynasty and Basil I early policy didn’t change it. Slavic policy of court in Constatinopolis was created along and in connection with the great filioque divide. You see, baptism and marriage of Basil II’s sister to Russian prince were not simple political urgency or calculation of the times. It was one of greatest and the most successful ideas ever applied: Rome never made anything similar, or at least successful, with Germans. End result of that is Cyrillic in Vladivostok, and that is much, much more than blue eyes of some tribal elements in Afghanistan, Alexander the Great’s easternmost end result.
    How that idea survived, developed and spread we can write and think and discuss, but WHY – we have just one right answer.

    Good luck in your studies.

    • Thanks: Steven80, annamaria
  52. @Realist

    Probably due to neglect and lack of investment, although America is now ratcheting up its own space capabilities with private firms like SpaceX.

    Your question is similar to asking “Why does America need India for its IT industry”, the answer is that it doesn’t, the same applies to Russia in relation to space flight.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Alfred
  53. @Realist

    The X-37 is the way of the future for Earth orbit missions. Manned missions are costly, bulky, dangerous and most importantly, not neccesary. There is an X-37 in orbit right now, the last mission landed like an airplane after two years in orbit. Reusable, maneuverable, can change from one orbit to another. Russsia has nothing remotely like the X-37.

  54. WP says:
    @SteveK9

    Why would the Rus’ want to their country to be “European”?

    Europeans are weak, stick armed, emotionally fragile, self-hating pillow-biters … the kept women and house n*ggas of JewSA.

    Hopefully, most Russians (except the Navalny types) are still proud of their unique civilization and culture, and will continue to resist the Antichrist’s efforts to debase their society to the level of “Europeans”!

  55. Poluter says:
    @The Alarmist

    Many of the Europeans you know… Hmm, perhaps Arab, Caribbean or African French/British/(other)?
    The best thing Russia can do is close its borders, so it will remain the only European place. Without much homo/left/new-european infestation. Then, by reason alone of demographics, will remain at the top, floating like a cork in the infested waters flooding the planet.
    It just needs to keep under control its fifth column, which seems stronger than needed.

  56. WP says:
    @coolhand850

    Wow, isn’t this special, a boomer who stills believes … I’m guessin’ that you read all of Tom Clancy’s novels back during your college incels years in the ’80’s, am I right?

    You may be right, maybe Murica’s firepower is awesome, or should I say, Fabulous … all that firepower wielded by Murica’s transgender super soldiers of color!

    As we all know, one brownish Murican sergeant under going male-to-female transition is worth 10 brutish Russian conscripts and 100 little Jet Li PLA soldiers ….

    I mean, we all know his/her/their natural Wakandan-ness will easily overcome the lack of training time he/she/they missed because of his/her/their other burdens of being a member of the Base commanders’ Black Lives Matter advisory board, Base tweaking champion and planning next years’ Base wide LGBTQP+ pride festival … and, the heaviest weight of all, white male privilege.

    You go, grrl!

  57. Poluter says:
    @Steven80

    The exterior characteristics (some Asian features of the face) that can be observed in some Russians are not different from what can be observed in other Northern people in Scandinavia, in terms of frequency and otherwise. Thus, saying that Russia is not European is pure crap. The truth is that Russia is now more Europian than the West or North America. Let us wait 50 years, when the white races will be even more diluted in the West and North America. Unless some unforeseen events take place, Russia will be the only European country left. Perhaps also some others from Eastern Europe, that have so far fenced off the homo-lesbo and forced immigration will be survive.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @Steven80
  58. @aleksander

    Waverider was put on standby by The United States in order not to escalate the arms race into very dangerous territory. But Ivan, being the strategic knucklehead he has always been, just had to push that button. All Russia has accomplished is to put itself under an American hypersonic gun, and in short order. There is no possible scenario before 2035 that calls for hypersonics, and no certainty they would ever be needed, why did ya do it Ivan??!!?!?

    • Replies: @annamaria
  59. @Rahan

    That’s not exactly true. In classical Chinese political thought, the rightful domain of the Chinese emperor was “tianxia”, meaning “under heaven”, which is to say, the entire earth. That doesn’t mean China will set out to conquer the whole planet, especially given 21st realities, but as with every other great civilization, the Chinese were not exactly humble when at the peak of their power.

    • Replies: @Rahan
  60. Poluter says:
    @Icy Blast

    Be happy that others accept writing in English. For now.

  61. MLK says:

    While I note worthwhile comments drawing further back, it’s essential to accept right now that China won the post-ColdWar quarter century, hands down.

    Indeed, this is such a Sad Story, foretold when ‘Unipolar Moment,” with the operative word being ‘moment,’ was introduced to explain the monumental failure of American governing elites.

    The alignment of forces, foreign and domestic, that went all out to throw the election to Hillary, hasn’t changed. This shouldn’t surprise given what’s at stake.

    Suffice it to say, CCP China’s model is appealing beyond measure, and not just to the commanding heights. Why deal with the uncertainty of elections when you ensure perpetual power through surveillance, coercion, and corruption.

    The Soviet Union didn’t offer a comprehensive alternative. Though it’s worth noting that its systems of control, reflected in popular culture during The Cold War, were considered superior.

    Now to Russia. If you can’t see spectacular failure in the USG driving Russia into a strategic partnership with China during the Bush/Obama presidencies then you should noodle something other than geopolitics. Indeed, for anyone with eyes to see it was clear the Obama administration wasn’t just making errors, it was thoroughly compromised.

    Take Nord Stream II. If Trump hadn’t taken the oath, it would have been up and running years ago. Would that it were so that this was a gift to Russia and Germany, but it’s much worse than that. Why isn’t anyone else curious as to who got what in return?

    By the way, what happened to the spy scandals during and for s decade after the Cold War? Funny that only Russia and China rolled up spy networks once Brennan gained sufficient power.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-cia/cia-boss-brennan-visited-moscow-in-early-march-interfax-idUSKCN0WU0S5

    • Replies: @A123
  62. Vojkan says:
    @SteveK9

    Every time the Russians leave the door open, it ends up with a Western attempt on Russia. The West represents roughly 10% of the world population, is declining rapidly and brings nothing to the table except promises of nuisance. If I were Russian, I would ditch relations with the globohomo West and seek partnerships among the 90%.

  63. Rahan says:
    @Ray Caruso

    That’s not exactly true. In classical Chinese political thought, the rightful domain of the Chinese emperor was “tianxia”, meaning “under heaven”, which is to say, the entire earth.

    Quite right.
    However, it was a “welcome to send envoys to pay us respect if you really feel like it” thing, as opposed to “we’ll come over to conquer you and change you”.
    That, I think, is a major difference.

    • Replies: @anon
  64. Realist says:
    @Bombercommand

    Russsia has nothing remotely like the X-37.

    But Russia has a functioning system….the US does not.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Bombercommand
  65. Realist says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Your question is similar to asking “Why does America need India for its IT industry”, the answer is that it doesn’t, the same applies to Russia in relation to space flight.

    Wrong, the US does not have a functioning launch and retrieve system.

  66. Vojkan says:
    @coolhand850

    If you speak of the capacity to project her troops on any point on Earth, you’re right. The thing is, they don’t need it and probably regard it as vanity of fools. If on the other hand you consider their capacity to incinerate you before you incinerate them, well, dream on.

  67. anon[125] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rahan

    However, it was a “welcome to send envoys to pay us respect if you really feel like it” thing, as opposed to “we’ll come over to conquer you and change you”.
    That, I think, is a major difference.

    The Chinese were at the limit of their expansion, that is why. Possibly because the center, the Emperor, could never trust such a requisite force to some far flung war lord. They clearly did their expansionist phase growing from the core Chinese areas.

    The second point to keep in mind is that historic China was basically self-sufficient. There was nothing out there, beyond the Middle Kingdom, worth pursuing (at the cost of potential rebellions by newly powerful warlords). Today, the situation is different. China needs all sorts of stuff, including energy, from beyond the Middle Kingdom.

    Russians must be secretly shaking in their boots, wondering how long can they hold on to the lands they grabbed in the East. China will want these back.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  68. A123 says:
    @MLK

    Take Nord Stream II. If Trump hadn’t taken the oath, it would have been up and running years ago. Would that it were so that this was a gift to Russia and Germany, but it’s much worse than that. Why isn’t anyone else curious as to who got what in return?

    The blockage of Nordstream 2 is about The Dark Heart of Europe not Russia. Christian Europe is terrified of Mutti Mullah Merkel’s highly authoritarian regime. Why would any of the V4 nations accept energy dependency on flows via Germany?

    This is one of Putin’s few serious errors. He would be much better off pushing gas projects that flowed through Christian European nations thus allowing them leverage against German anti-Christian SJW aggression.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @MLK
    , @Hojer
  69. A123 says:
    @Realist

    But Russia has a functioning system….the US does not.

    Wrong.

    The USAF X-37B is 100% functional, and has successfully completed several long term missions. The graphic below only goes through 2014. There have been more since then.

    PEACE 😇
     

    • Replies: @a_german
    , @Realist
    , @FB
  70. windwaves says:
    @aleksander

    fact or fiction ? the more I hear about these hypersonic thing the more I hear propaganda, wishful thinking. The US military is certainly not that great anyway, we’ve seen it fail everywhere for the past several decades.

  71. anon[340] • Disclaimer says:

    The CCP has finally capitulated. ((( Wall Street ))) is taking over Shanghai:

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/10/wall-street-comes-to-shanghai-as-shackles-loosened/

    I guess it’s mission accomplished. Trump can loosen his witch hunt of Huawei and end the tech/trade war now. Or maybe he won’t. Maybe the eventual goal is still the toppling of a government that the Chosenites have no hand in electing through “democracy”.

    Meanwhile, I’m sure more corrupt CCP elites will take full advantage of the selling out of their country, sleep(invest) with the enemy, get rich/richer, emigrate to the US, push their kids into our elite high schools and colleges, and turn us more and more like the dog-eat-dog, corrupt hellhole from whence they came.

    So much for a government that looks out for its people. The CCP is as self-serving as the US Congress critters or the EU. The only difference is they don’t need the charade of elections to install themselves in power.

  72. @coolhand850

    Current US is a colossus with the feet of clay. Dems in their mad attempts to undermine Trump succeeded in undermining America. Just wait for November 3.

    Putin’s and Xi’s policy towards the US follows the saying “when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere”. The same applies to the EU, as well as Brexited UK.

    Times are a-changing. The West is destroying itself and behaving as if it’s it is still hale and healthy. It was said that when God wishes to punish someone, He takes away that person’s mind. This applies to countries, particularly to the Empires.

  73. @Menes

    And China knows that Russia is a part of European civilization, that will switch sides as soon as geopolitics and geoeconomics change.

    That’s a deranged dream of neocons, and it won’t come true. The policies of Russia and China are sane and pragmatic, whereas the policies of the Empire and its sidekicks are suicidal.

    As far as civilizational divide goes, Russia is neither Europe nor Asia, it is a separate civilization. When the US and Europe succeed in destroying themselves, many Russians would miss them due to cultural ties with their predecessors, but that won’t drive Russian policies. Not just Putin’s (in fact, he appears to have a soft spot for Europe, characteristic of his generation), but policies of whoever runs Russia after him. There would be no gorbys or yeltsins any more.

    • Replies: @Notsofast
  74. MLK says:
    @A123

    The blockage of Nordstream 2 is about The Dark Heart of Europe not Russia. Christian Europe is terrified of Mutti Mullah Merkel’s highly authoritarian regime. Why would any of the V4 nations accept energy dependency on flows via Germany?

    This is unresponsive to what I wrote. The Obama administration was fully supportive of Nord Stream II and so would have been a Hillary administration. The salient question is why was the USG gifting this monumental geopolitical win to Germany and Russia?

    This is one of Putin’s few serious errors. He would be much better off pushing gas projects that flowed through Christian European nations thus allowing them leverage against German anti-Christian SJW aggression.

    Nonsense. That’s about all this comment deserves for bringing up “anti-Christian SJW aggression” in the context of something so longterm geopolitically and geo-economically important as further Russian/German energy integration.

    You were supposed to learn the basics of American geopolitical imperatives, specifically herein concerning the Eurasian landmass, in high school if not middle school.

    Trump has repeatedly explained how the US had been turned into the “suckers” and “piggybank” for the rest of the world.

    You’ll note that I haven’t said that the USG should be inalterably opposed to Nord Stream II coming online. Trump will extract the full measure of benefit for the US sovereign (and its workers) in return for allowing it to do so.

  75. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @The Alarmist

    As somebody working over decades with russians i can assure you that they are European. Quite different to US citizens that Looks like Europeans but aren’t. Compared these folks are often aliens in values and behavior.

  76. A123 says:

    This is unresponsive to what I wrote. The Obama administration was fully supportive of Nord Stream II and so would have been a Hillary administration. The salient question is why was the USG gifting this monumental geopolitical win to Germany and Russia?

    Actually it was fully responsive.

    Barack Hussein and Hillary Clinton despise Christianity and democracy. Giving a huge win to Merkel’s Authoritarian and anti-Christian regime is consistent with their track record of “All Hate — No Hope“.

    The willingness of Russia to bribe Hillary via the Clinton Foundation also explains her open sell-out of American Christians. All rational human beings know that is why she handed Russia a huge geopolitical win in the uranium mining industry. (1)

    Meanwhile, in October of 2010, the State Department and the interagency Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) curiously — and unanimously — approved the sale of part of Uranium One, a Canadian-based company with uranium interests in the U.S., to Rosatom, a Russian state holding company.

    The Clintons and their foundation raked in a cool $145 million in donations and “speaking fees” just from Uranium One- and Rosatom-affiliated donors while Secretary of State Hillary Clinton was supposedly keeping all Clinton Foundation business at “arm’s-length.” As we reported in July, Clinton official emails show extensive connections between Hillary, the Clinton Foundation and donors during her time as secretary of state, a kind of criminal conga-line of people asking for favors from Hillary and donating to the foundation.

    I cannot blame Russia too much. Everyone knows that the DNC is a pay-for-play operation.

    This is among the reasons why a Biden coup attempt must be stopped at all costs.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) from 2017: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  77. Europe is a glove on the US hand and is easily led around by its nose by the CIA and MI6 that infest the MSM and run one false flag after another.

    Politicians in the EU are mediocre creatures that crave the dollars stuffed into their pockets by the US. They are enjoying the ride while it lasts until they go down with the US.

  78. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @A123

    Why did that reminds me of nazi german Wunderwaffe cult?

    There are superior systems here and there, what means nothing.

    Russian Army needs 3days to stand 30km before Tiflis. They stopped at their own intend. Georgia 2008, against an Western modernized Army.

    I work all over the world with the local people. 2 countries i recommend never to conquer. Russia and Viet-Nam.

  79. @Steven80

    One must never overlook the impact of the Rus, the river Vikings who emanated from the three peoples who make up modern Sweden–the Scanians, the Goths and the Svear. Both Kiev and Novgorod were founded by them and the original, etymological basis for Russia is “Rus”. The royal line, beginning with Rurik and the nobility of the Rus , were of a Scandinavian-Slavic blend.

    Though Muscovy may have later become dominated by the descendants of the Mongols and their allies, the northern, forested part of Russia features a native set of peoples who only rarely evince the features of their fully conquered brethren in the steppe lands of the south. In all truth, Putin, whom I believe was born in Tver, could easily pass for one of my Nordic cousins…And that is the blue-eyed truth.

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  80. Nick J says:
    @coolhand850

    The US has the firepower, yes, but why? We all know the military industry is all about money, money, money. And attacking countries that can’t respond.
    When the US goes to war it is not to win, its to expend expensive weaponry for years as in Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iraq etc.
    The Russians don’t claim military superiority over the US, but they have developed the defensive capability to give the US sufficient blood noses. As has China. Somebody has to keep the hawkes in check from dropping ever more bombs.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  81. @Philip Owen

    Man! Are you out to lunch. Do yourself a favor. Take out your .12 gauge and blow the bejeebers outta your boobtoob. Voila! Without a steady drenching in boobtoob noose your mind will gradually become yours again.

    After a year or two you may come to realize that Putin is probably the greatest statesman since Otto Von Bismarck and Lavrov, a diplomat whose equal has not been seen since the days of the Treaty of Vienna, following the Napoleonic wars.

  82. macilrae says:

    I’m not even a US American but I recall deep my embarrassment when watching the vulgar Hillary Clinton handling herself in the presence of Sergey Lavrov – around the time of the excruciating “reset” event.

    And today you guys have Pompeo for Christ sake! How can you stand the shame – where do you get these people?

    OK, I do know where, alas.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @A123
    , @Ugetit
  83. @RoatanBill

    IF the EU had any statesmen who would be of a similar caliber to V.V. Putin, they would duly inform all concerned that Europe wants no more culturally undigestible “refugees”.

    The majority of those duped Sunnis had either caught the Wahabi or Salafist virus, or already had become ensorcelled with the Muslim Brotherhood mania. The MB was founded in the ’20’s by British intelligence bodies in Egypt in order to form a counter-balance to the growth of Arab nationalism. So we have a bunch of losers who refused to abide in a Syria which the government of that nation wished to remain NOT under sectarian control and remain a home for all the faiths which have lived side-by-side in that land for many centuries.

    The logical destination for that moth-eaten bunch of fanatics and their dupes would be to the lands occupied by the Wahabist Saudi crime clan as well as those of the Gulf Dictatorships. Such brothers in fanaticism should be very welcome at those totally logical destinations.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  84. Notsofast says:
    @Ray Caruso

    unfortunately you dont always get what you pay for. the corruption of the military industrial complex that eisenhower warned us of (but never did anything about) has lead to $20+trillion having vanished into thin air. the f 35 is the new f111 and a perfect example of this corruption. under bidding that inevitably leads to cost overruns combined with doctored test results (ala the stars wars program) has cost the u.s. any advantage they ever had in technology. both the russian and chinese have provided their citizenry with low cost or no cost quality education in math and science giving them a pool of low cost qualified personal for their defense programs. i dont see all this in a negative light as i see the russians and chinese as far less dangerous than the neo-con turds running the u.s. and their e.u. vassals (into the ground). what i worry about is the monkeys knocking over the chess board when they realize they dont know how to play the game.

  85. There is no fool like an old American fool.

    Like Joe Biden, for instance. In the last presidential “debate” he called Xi Jinping and Putin “thugs.” What does this tell you about the state of American diplomacy?

    Sure, Joe is trying to win cheap political points by catering to the abysmally ignorant and savagely russophobic average American voters. But at what political cost to the country he represents! And what exactly does this old American fool want to do when he says that Russia and China will “pay a price.”

    What can America do to the world’s supreme military power (Russia) and to the world’s supreme economic power (China)? Particularly now that these two superpowers are working together.

    How senile and stupid has Biden become! He stopped developing intellectually about 50 years ago. And now he never will.

  86. FB says: • Website
    @Steven80

    Russia is NOT Europe. Anyone who considers this either has no clue of history, blahblah…

    A load of illiterate garbage…

    Russians are Slavs, the most populous of all the European peoples [and also with the most European territory]…

    The science of linguistics and genetics is well known…this is the map of the R1a Y-haplogroup [the one you get from your father]…

    The ancestors of today’s Slavs were the founding people of Europe…both genetically and linguistically…proto-Indo European language has its roots in the Yamna culture of more than 5,000 years ago, centered on the Pontic Steppe in what is today southern Ukraine…

    Here, the proto-Europeans were the first people to domesticate the horse, make wheeled vehicles to be pulled by horses and made weapons out of bronze…

    The origins of the Slavs go back to circa 3500 BCE with the northern Yamna culture and its expansion across Central and Northeast Europe with the Corded Ware culture.

    The M458 and Z280 lineages spread around Poland, Belarus, Ukraine and western Russia, and would form the core of the Proto-Balto-Slavic culture. The high prevalence of R1a in Baltic and Slavic countries nowadays is not only due to the Corded Ware expansion, but also to a long succession of later migrations from Russia, the last of which took place from the 5th to the 10th century CE.

    –Haplogroup R1a, Slavic Branch, Eupedia

    R1a is thought to have been the dominant haplogroup among the northern and eastern Proto-Indo-European tribes, who evolved into the Indo-Iranian, Thracian, Baltic and Slavic people.

    The Proto-Indo-Europeans originated in the Yamna culture (3300-2500 BCE). Their dramatic expansion was possible thanks to an early adoption of bronze weapons and the domestication of the horse in the Eurasian steppes (circa 4000-3500 BCE).

    Individuals from the southern part of the Steppe are believed to have carried predominantly lineages belonging to haplogroup R1b (L23 and subclades), while the people of northern forest-steppe to the north would have belonged essentially to haplogroup R1a.

    The first expansion of the forest-steppe people occured with the Corded Ware Culture (see Germanic branch below). The forest-steppe origin of this culture is obvious from the usage of corded pottery and the abundant use of polished battle axes, the two most prominent features of the Corded Ware culture.

    Ancient DNA testing has confirmed the presence of haplogroup R1a-M417 in samples from the Corded Ware culture in Germany (2600 BCE), from Tocharian mummies (2000 BCE) in Northwest China, from Kurgan burials (circa 1600 BCE) from the Andronovo culture in southern Russia and southern Siberia, as well as from a variety of Iron-age sites from Russia, Siberia, Mongolia and Central Asia.

    –Haplogroup R1a, Eupedia

    The Corded Ware Culture of northern Europe was the first extension of the Proto-European Yamna Culture…it is the granddaddy of the Slavic, Germanic and Scandinavian peoples…

    The Corded Ware Culture:

    Also known as the Battle Axe culture or Single Grave culture.

    Associated with the diffusion of Proto-Germanic and Proto-Balto-Slavic speakers.

    Blend of cultural elements of the earlier Funnelbeaker culture in the North European Plain with the PIE steppe culture (Yamna).

    Mobile pastoral economy relying mostly on cattle and occasional cereal cultivation.

    Regular use of horses and oxe-drawn wagons. Presence of copper and bronze artefacts as well as stone battle-axes.

    Coarse pottery typically decorated with twisted cord impressions, and sometimes with other types of impressions or incisions. Use of beakers and cups for drinking.

    The dead were inhumed in flat graves inside a small mound. Bodies were laid on their side with bent knees. Wagons/carts and sacrificed animals were present in graves.

    –History and Genetics of the Corded Ware Culture, Eupedia

    The development of European peoples, culture and languages is well established, and this fascinating pre-historical saga is easily accessible to today’s audience…see for instance Prof Anthony’s The Horse, The Wheel and Language…

    The related peoples of R1b Y-haplogroup are associated with the Yamna culture and this marker is informally considered the ‘Celtic’ gene, while R1a is the ‘Slavic’ gene…Germany and Scandinavia and central Europe is about evenly divided between males that carry the two respective markers…to the West, the R1b becomes predominant, while to the East the R1a dominates…

    The CORE European peoples are the R1a ‘Slavic’ and R1b ‘Celtic’…in terms of language, the Proto Balto-Slavic predates the Proto-Germanic language…

    Germanic languages probably did not appear before the Nordic Bronze Age (1800-500 BCE). Proto-Germanic language probably developed as a blend of two branches of Indo-European languages, namely the Proto-Balto-Slavic language of the Corded-Ware culture (R1a-Z283) and the later arrival of Proto-Italo-Celto-Germanic people from the Unetice culture (R1b-L11).

    This is supported by the fact that Germanic people are a R1a-R1b hybrid, that these two haplogroups came via separate routes at different times, and that Proto-Germanic language is closest to Proto-Italo-Celtic, but also shares similarities with Proto-Slavic.

    Both are of course from the same family tree, which is why in the end blood is thicker than water…if the ‘white race’ of European peoples is going to continue as a viable entity we must recognize these ancient historical facts which are now clearly known to us from archeology and genetics…

    Thousands of years ago our ancestors were able to conquer far and wide, owing to the advantage of having domesticated the horse, a world-changing development that was the prime mover of civilization until just 100 years ago…

    The invasion of nomadic Turkic peoples carrying completely different DNA came much much later, for instance the Turkic Magyars that settled in the Pannonian Plain of the Danube River basin, and carrying a non-European Uralic language…

    Also the Turks in present day Anatolia…these are latecomers and foreigners to the European cultural horizon…although the Hungarians are now genetically very similar to neighboring Europeans, with mostly R1a and R1b…the modern Turks likewise have genetically assimilated having absorbed the native populations…

    There is now strong evidence that both R1a and R1b tribes during the Bronze Age contributed to the diffusion of the A111T mutation of the SLC24A5 gene, which explains apporximately 35% of skin tone difference between Europeans and Africans, and most variations within South Asia.

    The distribution pattern of the A111T allele (rs1426654) of matches almost perfectly the spread of Indo-European R1a and R1b lineages around Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia.

    So it is quite preposterous to speak of Slavic Russians, the descendants of the founding people of Europe to somehow ‘NOT’ be European…this is illiteracy of a potato farmer level…

    Unfortunately, in today’s political climate of imperialist greed by the money and banking elite of the West, it is not only desired, but absolutely necessary to bring in masses of foreign peoples as immigrants in order to keep the capitalist Ponzi Economy afloat…there is no other way, because the continuous creation of money with interest means there must be more and more people every year in order to beg for loans…

    That is how the world actually works today…the Russians are the only SANE European people…naturally they are cooperating with China, which is an old civilization that has always been self-sufficient and has no need for entanglements of the kind that our INSANE rulers have been pushing on us for hundreds of years now…

    Our heritage is rich and glorious…our forebears took mankind from the stone age to the age of metal and the wheel and the horse…and conquered half the world…but our weak and degenerate leaders are dead set on destroying us as a cohesive people…the vicious and slanderous propaganda campaign against Russia is simply the height of this INSANITY…

  87. A123 says:
    @macilrae

    … you guys have Pompeo for Christ sake!

    You need to work on your phrasing. Try:

    For the Sake of Christ, we have Pompeo!

    To defend Christian beliefs, America stands against the horrors of anti-Christian theocracies such as those found in Iran and Germany.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Alfred
  88. @Majority of One

    Pointing out that the Muslim loonies should go where the rest of their kind is already ensconced is something you’re not allowed to do. It makes too much sense to be aired in polite conversation.

    The Europeans with their influx of halfwits and religious zealots is even worse off than the US with their south of the border invasion. That Little Mogadishu exists in the US to allow the likes of Ilhan Omar to get into Congress should have been an impossibility, but here we are.

    The US and Europe are being invaded by invitation given the lax law enforcement and even the laws themselves. As long as the free stuff magnet is allowed to exist, you’ll have the riffraff take advantage of the situation, all thanks to the elected representatives that the fools vote into office.

  89. Realist says:
    @A123

    The USAF X-37B is 100% functional, and has successfully completed several long term missions.

    You know nothing more about this than Joe Blow. The latest American astronaut was returned to earth by Russia.

    • LOL: A123
  90. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Konrad

    The sheer stupidity of selecting a *78 year old man* as a candidate for the highest office in the land is breathtaking. Absolutely no sensible people would do this.
    The fact is that 78 year olds are usually legally barred from taking even quite mundane jobs such as public service vehicle drivers, as these positions are deemed to be too taxing and involved.
    How can the role of President of the USA be any less taxing than that of a bus driver?

  91. FB says: • Website
    @FB

    Some of the illustrations in my previous comment are not displaying, so here they are:

    The science of linguistics and genetics is well known…this is the map of the R1a Y-haplogroup [the one you get from your father]…

    Distribution of haplogroup R1a-M458 in Europe

    The Corded Ware Culture of northern Europe was the first extension of the Proto-European Yamna Culture…it is the granddaddy of the Slavic, Germanic and Scandinavian peoples…

    Thousands of years ago our ancestors were able to conquer far and wide, owing to the advantage of having domesticated the horse, a world-changing development that was the prime mover of civilization until just 100 years ago…

  92. @FB

    100% correct about The Wheel. The zone of origination of The Wheel would be(from your linked map) the Globular Amphora zone extended to modern day Serbia. The Wheel has been found in this zone dating from no later than 3,000BC, possibly as early as 5,000BC from architectural remains that could be wagon barns with appropriately sized doors(found in modern day Germany, needs further confirmation). The Chinese did not receive the gift of The Wheel from The White Race until 1200BC, by that time The Celts had created the innovation of iron tires over the wood for longer wear resistance. The Middle East received The Wheel by way of Sumerian nomadic shepherds who would journey as far as modern day Bulgaria. The Slavs are the purest of the pure of The White Race, East European girls REALLY rock.

    • Agree: FB
    • Thanks: Levtraro
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @showmethereal
  93. @Realist

    The fifth mission of the X-37 was an over two year orbit of Earth that included changing to new orbits, and X-37 lands like an airplane robotically. How is that not a functioning system??? Manned missions are not only unneccesary, but contraindicated, too dangerous and costly. Soyuz is an excellent system, for its time, but that time is over. Apollo had to be FLOWN, with advances in microelectronics human crews are not needed, and not wanted. Very small sattelites are the future, what X-37 is designed to deliver, service, and retrieve, as well as other super secret tasks Space Command will not even hint about.

    • Replies: @atharvaveda
    , @Realist
  94. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bombercommand

    When I was a boy, I distinctly remember being lectured that the wheel was a middle Eastern innovation which thence spread to the rest of the world? This was before the age of PC, and so was not the usual anti white hate, but actually the received archaeological and historical wisdom of the times.
    I’m very gratified that subsequent archaeology has since graced our glorious ancestors as the real and true originators of the wheel.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  95. Notsofast says:
    @AnonFromTN

    russia will be glad they didnt hitch their cart to the dead horse that is the e.u. russia has 70% of the worlds natural resources and spans 11 time zones and their neighbor to the south is the largest importer of said natural resources. china has the largest and arguably best equipped land force in the world while russia has a huge nuclear arsenal with hypersonic capabilities (that we claim they stole from us even though we dont have them). trumps claim of super duper wonderwaffe smacks of desperation. russia should turn their back on the ingrateful nato lap dogs that have so abused them at the behest of their neocon masters, the future is theirs.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
  96. FB says: • Website
    @A123

    The USAF X-37B is 100% functional, and has successfully completed several long term missions.

    And the X37 gets to space on RUSSIAN rocket engines…

    The X-37B, also known as the Orbital Test Vehicle (OTV), is a reusable robotic spacecraft operated by USAF that can autonomously conduct landings from orbit to a runway.[154] The first four X-37B flights were launched on Atlas V’s from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida…

    The Atlas V rocket is powered by the NPO Energomash RD180 engine…

    The fifth X37 launch was on a SpaceX Falcon 9, but the Defense Department reverted to the Atlas V for the latest [sixth] X37 launch in May of this year…

    The US simply does not have high performance engines of this kind…the RD180 has nearly five times the power of the SpaceX Merlin engine [900,000 pounds of thrust vs 200,000] and is much more efficient, owing to its advanced ‘closed cycle’ design, which allows for much higher chamber pressure and hence fuel efficiency [15 percent higher specific impulse, ISP]…

    The closed cycle design requires advanced metallurgy to keep the engine intact under the extremely high temperatures and pressures…this technology was never mastered by the US rocket industry, in fact it was considered ‘impossible’ until the US gained access to Soviet era NK33 engines from the 1960s and verified their performance on US test stands, much to everyone’s amazement…and then promptly bought up all the remaining NK33s that had been mothballed in Russia since the 1960s…

    All Russian engines since that time incorporate the advanced ‘closed cycle’ technology, including the RD180 for the US market, as well as the world’s most powerful engine, the RD170/171…which has TWICE the power of the RD180…the Russian technology has leaped far ahead of those 1960s era engines that the US aerospace community was astounded by…

    The US has received a LOT of technology transfer from the Russians over the last few decades…but nonetheless LAGS woefully behind in every way, owing to many systemic factors in US society, such as the graft and inefficiency of the defense procurement industry…the complete lack of government emphasis on engineering and technical education [Russia graduates TWICE as many engineers as the US…in Soviet times it was more than FIVE times as many]…

    There is no possible way for the US to catch up to Russia in aerospace technology at this point…that is just a pipe dream…this includes many key aspects of propulsion [both rocket and air-breathing like the scramjet engine]…aero-thermodynamics, like hypersonic glide vehicles, space station technology and much more…pretty much across the board…

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Thanks: Robert Konrad
    • Replies: @Jazman
    , @Bombercommand
  97. Hojer says:
    @A123

    This is one of Putin’s few serious errors. He would be much better off pushing gas projects that flowed through Christian European nations thus allowing them leverage against German anti-Christian SJW aggression.

    Nice idea, but are you aware that first nations to push the gas through and allow leverage is Ukraine hypnotized by western dreaming and turned russophobic?
    From long term perspective, the failure to positively attract culturally and ethnically near nations is the biggest error of Russia, preceding even Putin. On the contrary he seems to understand it, but western lures still stronger and VVP has a lot of work in his own country first.
    On the other hand speaking of gas pushing and sales – there still are ideas of selling higher priced LNG via ships from US. From this perspective, the blockage of all streams from Russia is a success…

    • Replies: @A123
  98. Europe was spiritually disemboweled by three movements: Romanism, the Reformation, the Enlightenment. The first put a man in place of God; the second stripped the Church of its cohesion and identity; the third removed from God His Personhood, necessity, and will. When we read “the center cannot hold,” it is because Europe exiled God.

    Now God reciprocates by stripping Europe of its national identity. Its overrunning by foreign peoples who often despise the culture they are taking over ensures that she will not return. Europe, once a cultural beacon to the world, is done.

    The United States is collapsing under the first three pressures plus a deadly fourth: Marxism. Class and race warfare tear her apart from the inside like a maddened lion devouring itself. Thus the failing Americo-European hegemon, master of the world since the Renaissance, is consigned to the lamentation of history books.

    Russia was attacked by all four movements. She survives because she holds to the center which is He and He only. The Church prospers. Russia believes in herself and her people. She rejects atheism and the contempt of God’s law. She feeds her people the sacraments and cherishes her traditions. She returns to belief in the Christ of the Gospels. The future of civilization is Russia.

    • Replies: @Robert Konrad
    , @Anonymous
  99. annamaria says:
    @brabantian

    “Russia needs only to wait”

    –It is not clear what the waiting will be rewarded with.

    Martyanov:

    Western “elites” and “intellectuals” are simply on a different, much lower level, than said Lavrov. You do not negotiate with monkeys… They want to have their Navalny as their toy – let them.

    The proverbial monkeys (like the European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen) will be politically correct to the last white European person. The monkeys abhor meritocracy (hence the ethnic tensions); instead, the monkeys prefer following the familiar divide et impera, even if this tried approach leads to the demise of European states and their own progeny.

    The business model – baseline is a king – means that neither dignity nor virtue needs to apply. Whether British ‘May the Novichok’ or German ‘Ursula the Novichok,’ they were selected by the system to obey and do incredibly stupid tricks to please their owners — financial & MIC oligarchy. Shameless, stupidly-manipulative, profiteering… Do they, the ‘monkeys,’ really expect any respect for their words and deeds?

    PS: Ursula von der Leyen has been casually dishonest since her younger years:

    Berlin-based law professor Gerhard Dannemann has found elements of plagiarism on 27 of the 62 pages of Ms von der Leyen’s 1990 dissertation.

  100. @Bombercommand

    The X-37 is an orbital vehicle like the Space Shuttle and cannot maneuver aerodynamically the way the Zircon and the Avangard systems do. The S-500 system and other already existing systems (both in Russia and in China) are designed to shoot down objects in orbit, even if those objects can change their orbital parameters. Enabling a comparatively massive vehicle like the X-37 in the vacuum of space to evade the maneuvering warhead of an anti-satellite missile would be very difficult and indeed would require very large thrusters because of the inertia.

    In short, the mere fact that the X-37 moves at “hypersonic” speeds in orbit (just like any satellite at the same altitude) does not make it a hypersonic weapon in the sense of Russia’s already deployed systems.

    • Agree: Notsofast
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Bombercommand
  101. Realist says:
    @Bombercommand

    You are ignoring the fact that the US needed the Russians to bring an astronaut back to earth.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Bombercommand
  102. A123 says:
    @Realist

    ROTFLMAO

    Could you be any less observant?

    He is staying that fact, like everything you post, is totally irrelevant to real world tests of strength. Everyone, except you, grasps that your position is, “Russia has a lead in obsolete technology“.

    Here is some advice. Try to understand the topic before you waste everyone’s time by posting gibberish about it. Also, take advice from people who understand the subject. All you can you can achieve with your current closed minded attitude is — Remaining Ignorant.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Alfred
  103. A123 says:
    @Hojer

    Nice idea, but are you aware that first nations to push the gas through and allow leverage is Ukraine hypnotized by western dreaming and turned russophobic?

    If you stub your toe walking forward, does that mean you must walk backward? Or, is it wiser to keep walking forward more carefully?

    Working with Ukraine was the right strategy, even though it did not pan out in execution. Working with Poland is certainly difficult, but it is the right thing to do for the Russian people.

    Enriching anti-Christian Germany is a terrible strategy for Orthodox Christian Russia. Putin is making an inevitable blood enemy stronger by rewarding the sexually deviant head choppers of SJW IslamoGloboHomo. No short term tactical advantage is worth that price.

    On the other hand speaking of gas pushing and sales – there still are ideas of selling higher priced LNG via ships from US. From this perspective, the blockage of all streams from Russia is a success…

    Perhaps Biden and his NeoConDemocrats believe that pipe dream. It sounds like something #NeverTrump leader Bill Kristol would endorse.

    The ability to offload natural gas ships in Poland is useful insurance against German agression. One cannot deliver LNG by dropping it out of planes Berlin Airlift style. However, the cost for such delivery would be well above market. Large volumes would only make sense as a money losing, emergency relief necessity.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @a_german
  104. Flubber says:

    I’m a British Brexit voter – primarily because the EU is run by arseholes with an absolutely loathing for any sort of democratic accountability.

    So Russia’s impression of the EU is totally realistic.

    For four years I have had to watch the spectacle of the UK trying to form a fair deal, when the EU’s explicit goal has been to punish the UK for leaving pour encourager les autres.

    What a waste of time. The EU only understands blunt force and blunt actions.

  105. Petermx says:
    @The Alarmist

    I have heard Europeans say the same thing but I don’t know why they say that when the left (which dominates western Europe’s media and institutions) welcomes Africans and Muslims into their countries, insisting everyone is the same. Much of Russia is part of the European continent (to the Ural mountains) and Russians are at least Caucasians if not Europeans.

    Western Europe, the USA and Canada have all been brought up on Cultural Marxism, a term I only learned of in the last 15 years. But once I learned a little about its background I realized it has had the most profound affect on everyone’s life. I recall back in the 1970’s when religion was diluted and people were instructed to not believe in its tenets. Don’t bother getting married and don’t be so uptight. Having more than one sexual partner is normal. Now we’re taught it’s normal to have sex change operations. Oh, and interracial sex and marriage is encouraged and if you are against that you’re a “racist”. People did not come to believe this on their own. It was drilled into their heads and they know they had better say that or risk problems, as sure a MAGA hat in Portland will earn you a punch in the face or worse. I do not think that most eastern Europeans or Russians accept these as moral values. Cultural Marxism was brought into the culture to break the bonds people have for their people, their country and their family. That is why western Europe’s and America’s so called “elite” don’t like the Polish, Hungarian, Russian and other governments. The Russians still believe in God and country and they don’t celebrate homosexuality and other minorities. That is why they are hated.

    I also think American media (television, etc.) has a major affect on how Europeans think. Western Europe (and now eastern too) belong to NATO and American anti-Russian propaganda is constant in Europe. Having “one world” where everyone hears the same thing can be a big disadvantage when everyone’s thinking is wrong. Consider that most of the world has followed the same policy regarding the Corona Virus and the west’s economies have taken a big hit and most people are told the virus is deadly and that it has killed hundreds of thousands. I think this same propaganda is everywhere to different degrees. Several top scientists have spoken out and said the virus is mostly a danger to people over 60 and people who are weakened from other ailments and a cocktail of drugs including Hydroxychloroquine is a sure cure for most people when administered in the first 5 days of the virus symptoms appearing. The virus is a hoax to the degree that there is a cure for it that works for most people and this medical cure is kept from the people by a corrupt media.

    “Any professional discussion between Lavrov and former gynecologist [actually epidemiologist] such as von der Leyen, including Germany’s Foreign Minister Maas, who is a lawyer and a party worm of German politics is a waste of time. Western “elites” and “intellectuals” are simply on a different, much lower level, than said Lavrov. You do not negotiate with monkeys.”

    I think the extreme left have been a disaster for Europe, at least since 1990. They have destroyed the high standard of living Europe built up after the war and they have destroyed Europe’s competitiveness. Same for the USA. And the left has done much more warmongering than the right the last 30 years. Neo-Cons (Republicans) are former leftists, mostly Jewish, that promote war for Israel’s security and strength. When Europe’s right wing parties gain power then Europe can begin its turnaround and perhaps become competitive again. They also want good relations with Russia. That will benefit everyone. Hopefully this happens before the left makes Europe a shithole no one wants to live in.

    • Replies: @Robert Konrad
  106. Notsofast says:
    @Robert Konrad

    The senility may be new but joe biden has always been stupid. One of the only people on the planet that can stick both of his feet in his mouth at the same time.

    • Replies: @Ugetit
    , @AnonFromTN
  107. @SeekerofthePresence

    “The first put a man in place of God” … “the third removed from God His Personhood, necessity, and will.” “Europe exiled God”. And so on, and so forth.

    Never (to the best of my knowledge) has a goofier Flying Daddy believer puked out so much religious lunacy on the UNZ Review all at once in such a relatively short time. One would like to know where exactly and how exactly such an extraordinary specimen of religious inanity has survived in the 21st century. It would be such a great media event to capture this guy and to display him on teevee.

    I tell you: reality is stranger than the most idiotic fiction.

    • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
  108. Ugetit says:
    @macilrae

    How can you stand the shame

    A very few of us can’t, and it is embarrassing. And hopeless. And there ain’t a damned thing we can do about it. If I didn’t have people who depend on me, I’d have left this degenerate corporate-commie sewer long ago.

    We’ve been corrupt for a couple of centuries now and going through a slow motion decay for many decades, propped up by credit, and still most folks don’t get it.

    We need a man like Hitler or Putin, but there are none, and if there were he’d have next to zero support.

    We are the laughing stock of the world.

    • Replies: @macilrae
  109. annamaria says:
    @Menes

    Perhaps you need to acquaint yourself with the history of China.
    Meanwhile, consider the purpose of the Great Wall and China’s prudent desire to be separated from other countries. For instance, “When China Ruled the Seas:” https://www.amazon.com/When-China-Ruled-Seas-1405-1433/dp/0195112075

    • Agree: showmethereal
  110. annamaria says:
    @Philip Owen

    “Lavrov as a diplomat has been a total failure…”

    — You are a dream-come-true for the Atlantic Council and the whole juggernaut of MSM. They did not labor in vain!

  111. @annamaria

    PS: Ursula von der Leyen has been casually dishonest since her younger years:

    At least she would have won the Cross of Honour of the German Mother (Second Class) during the better days of a united Europe back in the 1940s:

    Very nice family, godspeed Aryan princess

    • Replies: @annamaria
  112. annamaria says:
    @Bombercommand

    Why don’t you read real professionals and not some Integrity Initiative’ and other Atlantic Council’s experts of Eliot Higgins caliber?

    Here is Andrei Martyanov to satisfy your thirst for knowledge:

    https://www.claritypress.com/product/losing-military-supremacy/

    https://www.claritypress.com/product/disintegration-indicators-of-the-coming-american-collapse/

    https://www.claritypress.com/product/the-real-revolution-in-military-affairs/

  113. FB says: • Website
    @atharvaveda

    The X-37 is an orbital vehicle like the Space Shuttle and cannot maneuver aerodynamically the way the Zircon and the Avangard systems do.

    This is correct…

    The X-37 is in no way any kind of ‘hypersonic’ vehicle…

    Most people simply do not understand what ‘hypersonic’ actually means…of course it denotes very high speed [in excess of at least five times the speed of sound, or Mach number]…BUT it also means the ability to MANEUVER in flight…

    ICBMs have been capable of hypersonic speeds since their introduction in the 1950s [the Russian R7 ‘Semyorka’ was the first ICBM]…speeds in excess of Mach 20, or about 6 to 7 km per second…but they have a ballistic flight trajectory, like a bullet, which means that they could hypothetically be intercepted with missile defense rockets, due to the predictability of their flight path…

    The new Avangard ICBM is the first intercontinental missile that is able to change its trajectory in flight…it does this not by means of an engine, but by skipping off the top of the atmosphere like a flat stone skipping over the top of a still pond…

    The above illustration shows just one skip, and then re-entry, but the idea of a hypersonic ‘glide’ vehicle is to make a number of skips, changing direction in both altitude and azimuth…

    So it’s not really about ‘gliding’ which is what many think, since the atmosphere is only about 50 km thick in terms of usable air density for aerodynamic gliding, and once entered in the atmosphere a high speed object could glide only for a distance over the ground of a couple of hundred kilometers at most…for instance the Space Shuttle…[the glide ratio decreases as speed increases; a high performance sailplane flying at 100 mph hour can have a glide ratio of over 40, while the Shuttle had a glide ratio of only 3]…

    Btw, it’s funny to read complete bozos like the clown Jeffrey Lewis [Arms Control Wonk website], who is considered some kind of ‘expert’ in the establishment media [despite having ZERO aeronautical or astronautical credentials], sounding off about how the Avangard cannot possibly ‘glide’ very far…

    This concept of atmopspheric skipping flight was first proposed by German engineer Eugen Sanger, as part of a plan to build a manned bomber that could reach the US, the ‘Amerika’ spaceplane…of course, neither the knowledge nor the technology of the time was adequate to realistically build this kind of vehicle, and even today this represents a truly historic breakthrough…

    The challenges are absolutely huge, including the ability to survive the massive skin friction heating that the vehicle must bear, and also the ability to control the vehicle’s flight attitude, something that is key in simple atmospheric re-entry of spacecraft also…only here it is much much more challenging, since the craft must be pointed in a very precise manner in order to fly that kind of multiple-skip flight path without going out of control and burning up in the atmosphere, or bouncing off into space…

    Another thing people confuse is a completely different category of hypersonic flight vehicles, which is the hypersonic cruise missile type, like the recently introduced Zirkon missile, which recently underwent firing tests from a Russian frigate…

    There is a whole other class of hypersonic vehicles from Russia, that is just as impressive…unlike the ICBM class Avangard, which is launched into shallow space by a powerful ICBM-type rocket, the cruise missile hypersonic flight vehicles use an onboard scramjet engine that breathes air, like an ordinary jet engine…

    In the case of the Zirkon, the missile is launched from a ship or sub and is accelerated by a solid-propellant rocket booster until the scramjet engine takes over…it then flies at about Mach 8, able to maneuver in the atmosphere like any other winged vehicle, like an airplane…

    The trick here is the scramjet engine, which is a huge milestone and could eventually lead to hypersonic passenger flight vehicles…again, the Russians have been the undisputed leaders in this key technology, having flown the world’s first scramjet engine back in 1991…

    Incredibly, the Russians agreed to let Nasa participate in the flight testing of this landmark technology from 1992 to 1998, at the Sary Shagan test range in Kazakhstan…this of course amounted to a huge technology transfer from Russia to the US…

    Recent Flight Test Results of the Joint CIAM-NASA Mach 6.5 Scramjet Flight Program [1998]

    At this point, the smart thing to do would be to outsource high tech weapons procurement to Russia…😁

    • Thanks: Levtraro, showmethereal
  114. @atharvaveda

    I did not state that the X-37 is a hypersonic weapon, your reading comprehension is absymal.

  115. Jazman says:
    @FB

    http://www.russianspaceweb.com/tem.html
    Russia also lead in nuclear propulsion but only difference is they do not have media like Elon Musk

  116. William Carr wrote this in the 1950’s and it’s so prophetic he may has well have written it today. The only thing I question about it is his sense, that though the elite Illuminati has many Jews they aren’t really Jews but Luciferians. Is there a difference? Laurent Guyenot says no. This is only 80 pages.
    http://www.jesus-is savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20%26%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/satan_prince_of_this_world.pdf

  117. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @A123

    The ability to offload natural gas ships in Poland is useful insurance against German agression.

    You just need a Terminal to do that. Germany has build One in Wilhelmshafen, shortest point from north sea and no Traffic there. You must ship around Skagen (Denmark) or through the North-East-Sea Channel and after to the whole East-Sea to reach Poland. Currently they build/have Pipelines from Skandinavia to Poland, which makes much more sense.

    North Stream 2 is named 2 because it is the second double tube pipeline in parallel to NS1 that has capacity left.

    • Replies: @A123
  118. Farouk says:
    @SteveK9

    Russia made a huge blunder by allowing German reunification. Should retake Eastern Germany cos those krauts never learned their lesson from WW2

    • Replies: @a_german
  119. @Robert Konrad

    Brevity is the soul of sometimes inconvenient history.

    Your spirited response would seem to prove the point.

  120. @Petermx

    “The Russians still believe in God …”

    Says yet another religious infantile adult.

    You mean all the Russians? And how would you know? Your statement is yet another tremendously stupid generalization, just like saying that French women are the best lovers or that all Germans like sauerkraut.

    Fortunately, not all the Russians believe in “God.” As long as they don’t, Russia will continue to rise.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Petermx
  121. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    Russia also lead in nuclear propulsion but only difference …

    Russians can be quite, very quite. They don’t speak if they don’t like. And they don’t fears you, they regard this as weakness. The say things one or to times what they would do and don’t say it again. Than they do. This is very misunderstood in western countries where is always a lot if Blabla about everything.

    They analyze and discuss a lot before a decision, but after they do in a manner that looks very beuroratic.

  122. A123 says:
    @a_german

    The ability to offload natural gas ships in Poland is useful insurance against German agression.

    You just need a Terminal to do that. Germany has build One in Wilhelmshafen, shortest point from north sea and no Traffic there.

    North Stream 2 is named 2 because it is the second double tube pipeline in parallel to NS1 that has capacity left.

    How would Nordstream 2 (which would land in Germany) protect the Polish people from German agression?

    How does a German controlled terminal in Wilhelmshafen protect the Polish people from German agression?

    Your logic eludes me.

    PEACE 😇

  123. Mike Tre says:
    @Steven80

    Was speaking to a pretty young woman today in customer service and she had an accent I had never heard so I asked her where she was from. Moldova. But I agree, Russia is not a “western” nation, which isn’t a good or bad thing. It just is.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  124. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @Farouk

    Russia made a huge blunder by allowing German reunification. Should retake Eastern Germany cos those krauts never learned their lesson from WW2

    Germans want to live in peace like everybody else. It is this sh*thole near the Polish border surrounded by nothing that makes all the problems. Now and then, the big mistake was to move the capital from Bonn to Berlin.

  125. Ugetit says:
    @Notsofast

    One of the only people on the planet that can stick both of his feet in his mouth at the same time.

    And that’s quite a feat(!) considering that he has his head stuck permanently up his flatus hole! 🙂

  126. @Notsofast

    The senility may be new but joe biden has always been stupid.

    As American joke puts it, “Biden was always so dumb, that when he went senile his family didn’t even notice”.

  127. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    How would Nordstream 2 (which would land in Germany) protect the Polish people from German agression?

    How does a German controlled terminal in Wilhelmshafen protect the Polish people from German agression?

    There is No German agression. Nobody is interested in Poland. The post is a hint that things are different then the media would imagine.

    If you interested in my point of view:
    Berlin has tried to establish a IVth Reich, this time over economy. This has failed because they are way to stupid to do so. As before and for gods sake. Germans are lousy in global politic.

    Berlin is a City that is not able to build a Terminal on an existing airfield or run a tube.
    But they have the idea to run whole Europe.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Robert Konrad
  128. Russia can bridge the gap between East and West. What Russia can’t bridge is European sla mentalityn that seeks to be an American colony. Russia would do well not to set up an Iron Curtain 2.0, but at the same time, it should not waste any more time dialoguing with the arrogant fools that run the EU.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  129. @SteveK9

    Well there is European Russia and there is Asian Russia. European Russia is where much of the human capital is – while Asian Russia is where most of the natural resources are. So really they are split between the two continents.

  130. @coolhand850

    That is completely false to say the Russians didn’t have the military capability. The absolutely did. What they didn’t have was sound economic structure to sustain themselves. In any event – the most firepower doesn’t equal a win.

  131. @Alternate History

    Russia can bridge the gap between East and West.

    Putin tried, but in vain. To bridge two sides, you need both of them to want to be bridged. Until Europe is run by nonentities obsequiously serving the Empire, like Mutti, BoJo, or Macron, all its bridges lead nowhere. What’s more, Russia will survive w/o Europe, but Europe will decline faster w/o Russia.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
  132. antibeast says:
    @FB

    The ancestors of today’s Slavs were the founding people of Europe…both genetically and linguistically…proto-Indo European language has its roots in the Yamna culture of more than 5,000 years ago, centered on the Pontic Steppe in what is today southern Ukraine…

    That’s inaccurate. The genetic makeup of White Europeans includes not only Indo-European pastoralist (“Yamnaya”) genes but also Levantine farmer genes from Anatolia, plus a sizeable portion of indigenous European hunter-gatherer genes. Here’s a graph depicting the genetic components of White European peoples:

    Here, the proto-Europeans were the first people to domesticate the horse, make wheeled vehicles to be pulled by horses and made weapons out of bronze…

    Other than battle axes and horse-drawn chariots, the Indo-Europeans didn’t develop their own “Indo-European Civilization” although they did contribute their Indo-European languages and mythologies to the pre-historic cultures of Europe. What is known today as “European” is the Classical European Civilization based on Greco-Roman-Christian Cultures from the Mediterranean World not the “Indo-European” pastoralist cultures from the Eurasian Steppe. The Minoan Civilization of Crete which is the earliest European Civilization to arise in the Mediterranean World had ZERO Indo-European inputs. Even the pre-Soviet Russian Orthodox Civilization was derived from the Eastern Greek Orthodox version of Classical Greco-Roman-Christian European Civilization, inherited from Vladimir the Great’s adoption of Orthodox Christianity which destroyed the Slavic “Indo-European” Paganism of pre-Christian Russia, in the same way that Charlemagne destroyed the Germanic “Indo-European” Paganism of pre-Christian Germany and Scandinavia.

    Russia is NOT Europe. Anyone who considers this either has no clue of history, blahblah…

    What he meant was “Russia is NOT the West” as defined by the Western GloboHomo which consists of liberal “values” such as negro-worship, homo-rights, gay-marriage, transgender-children, neoliberal capitalism, oligarchic politics, mainstream “fake news” media, etc.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Levtraro
    , @FB
  133. People who think the Atlantic alliance will always last should be aware that France is allying more with Russia. They’ve been allies before of course, and the french right hasn’t been co-opted by American supremacy. It’s impossible to find a “conservative” in the Anglophone world who isn’t a neoconservative. France has always been suspicious of American power.

  134. annamaria says:
    @A123

    “Everyone, except you, grasps that your position is, “Russia has a lead in obsolete technology“.

    — When cornered, do hissing.
    The US needs Russian “obsolete technology” because the US could not reach this obsolete technology level.
    For example (before exposing your russophobia by splitting hairs) you might want to ponder for a minute or two on the amazing achievements of Boeing. This Boeing:

    Boeing is the world’s largest aerospace company and leading manufacturer of commercial jetliners, defense, space and security systems…

    Here is the reality behind your advertisement of US space technology: https://bgr.com/2020/07/28/boeing-starliner-issues-delays/

    Boeing, a longtime NASA contractor, was expected to finish its Starliner spacecraft well in advance of SpaceX’s Crew Dragon. That was what some assumed, at least. The reality has been much different. … NASA remains skeptical and perhaps a bit concerned that Boeing can actually get things right in a timely manner.

    In case you missed this: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/10/boeing-shocking-internal-emails-reveal-chaos-incompetence-737-max-factory

    The fatal crashes of two of company’s 737 Max jets – which claimed 346 lives – have already shone a harsh light on Boeing’s corporate culture and its cosy relationship with its regulator. Then on Thursday hundreds of pages of internal messages were delivered to congressional investigators in which Boeing executives mocked their regulator, joked about safety and said the Max had been “designed by clowns”.

    Take your own advice and listen to knowledgeable people.

  135. @Realist

    Try reading my comments before replying to them. The United States is done with manned earth orbit missions, manned earth orbit space stations, “splashdowns”, we are moving on. The X-37 replaces all that: cheaper, better, robotic, will serve the new field of very small sattellites, extended missions, lands like an aircraft and best of all no risk to human astronauts(and no risk of mentally ill lesbians committing more crimes in space). Do you understand now?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  136. macilrae says:
    @Ugetit

    We are the laughing stock of the world.

    Those of us who laugh at you better take a look at themselves – Europeans in particular – not much to be proud of there when it comes to foreign policy.

  137. annamaria says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Beautiful family, agree. The problem is the mom’s stupidity and opportunism; Ursula does not care about European civilization’s future.

  138. @Robo

    Eurasian is the key… This is about trying to make Russia a European country. He’s actually expounding on why it would be Eurasian – rather than Russia being a de-facto EU member. Russia is the lynchpin linking both continents.

  139. @Bombercommand

    Except Trump is determined to put astronauts on the moon by 2025…. And NASA has determined to put the first woman up there. So why do you think manned space flight is going away?

    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  140. @FB

    The United States has landed five manned missions on the Moon. How many times has Russia landed a manned mission on the Moon? ZERO. Will Russia ever have a manned Moon landing? NO. The United States, with the Artemis program, is returning to the Moon this decade. We do not need Russian boosters, we have the RS-25, worked numerous missions for the Shuttle, and an augmented RS-25 will lift the Artemis program. We use the Russian engines in Atlas because they are excellent, we got them cheap and when they are all used then Space-X boosters will launch the X-37. Not an important issue. NASA was always intended to lead development, then hand off matured systems to the private sector, which is taking longer than hoped, but that’s life. “There is no possible way to catch up with Russia”?!?!?!? The United States operates robotic rovers on Mars, next Mars mission will feature a UAV, we just plucked a soil sample off an asteroid, and you say there is no possible way to catch up with Russia? You are living in a delusional dream world of broken down Soviet glory.

    • LOL: FB, Jazman
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @Biff
    , @A123
    , @FB
  141. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Look CLOWN…

    Your half ass ‘information’ is typical gibberish that you usually barf up here, without actually KNOWING anything about the subject…

    I gave plenty of links for FURTHER READING in my comment…you have provided one silly graph, from one single researcher, Haak, with whom I am familiar and who is just one of many many sources on the subject…

    What is it you plan to accomplish by throwing up this gibberish without any context…[besides proving you are a complete ASSCLOWN]…?

    There is NO QUESTION that the origin of the Indo-European people and the Indo-European language came from the R1a and R1b Yamnaya and Corded Ware people…

    That doesn’t mean there were ZERO people already existing on the European landmass at the time…for your information, the genetics of these ‘old’ European inhabitants at the time of the Yamna and Corded Ware takeover was mostly the I haplogroup, which is in fact the major haplogroup in Scandinavia, for instance, and also in the West Balkans…

    So that goes SQUARELY against your idiotic notion of northern Europeans having more R1a and R1b…

    Again, there is more reading on the subject in the links I provided previously, as well as the Kurgan Hypothesis, which goes into the origin of the Proto-Indo-Europeans [PIE] in more detail…in particular about the ‘old’ Europe before the PIE expansion 5,000 years ago…

    As usual, you prove yourself a goof who decides to go lip flapping about things he knows NOTHING about…just like last time you were trying to ‘educate’ me, an aerospace engineer, about AIRCRAFT…remember that, ASSCLOWN…?

  142. Von Rho says:

    Why is it so difficult for some to understand that it was the Western elite that raised both Japan and China and that it is precisely this elite that will now give the latter the same fate as the former?

  143. antibeast says:
    @Bombercommand

    Try reading my comments before replying to them. The United States is done with manned earth orbit missions, manned earth orbit space stations, “splashdowns”, we are moving on. The X-37 replaces all that: cheaper, better, robotic, will serve the new field of very small satellites, extended missions, lands like an aircraft and best of all no risk to human astronauts(and no risk of mentally ill lesbians committing more crimes in space). Do you understand now?

    Sorry to interject myself but you’re wrong. The X-37 is just another reincarnation of the failed “space shuttle” program which NASA has long ago abandoned but which the Pentagon has since taken over.

    NASA still needs manned earth orbit missions to manned earth orbit space stations (International Space Station – ISS) which require two things to ferry US astronauts to the ISS: 1). rocket engines and 2). space capsules, both of which were supplied by Russia before Elon Musk’s SpaceX came along. Here’s an article on why NASA needs the Russian-made Soyuz spacecraft, until SpaceX came up with the Crew Dragon:

    https://www.space.com/nasa-pays-russia-90-million-for-soyuz-seat.html

    NASA has struck a deal with its Russian counterpart, Roscosmos, to buy a seat on a Soyuz crew launch this fall, bumping a cosmonaut from that flight in return for $90 million and a bit of cargo on a U.S.-built spacecraft.

    The agreement, which NASA announced yesterday (May 12), comes just as the space agency prepares to launch two astronauts on a U.S. rocket for the first time since 2011, when the space shuttles retired. On May 27, Bob Behnken and Doug Hurley will step aboard a SpaceX Crew Dragon capsule for a test flight to the International Space Station. But that flight has been a long time coming: NASA signed contracts with SpaceX and a second company, Boeing, in 2014. And as the companies have designed, built and tested their vehicles, NASA has paid Roscosmos to ferry astronauts to the orbiting laboratory — this fall for the last time, the agency hopes.

    Here’s an article describing how Russia came to supply the RD-180 rocket engines to the USA:

    https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/06/26/134490/spacex-blue-origin-russian-rd180-rocket-engine-design/

    On the Atlas 3 and its successor, the Atlas 5, the RD-180 carried at least 16 American spy satellites to orbit, along with 13 military communications satellites, a half-dozen GPS satellites, two military weather satellites, and three missile warning satellites, designed to detect rocket launches from, among other countries, the one where it was built. It launched four American Mars missions. NASA’s launch of New Horizons to Pluto in 2006 and Juno to Jupiter in 2011 were both made on the back of the RD-180.

    In other words, NASA didn’t have anything to ferry US astronauts to the ISS until Space X came up with its Raptor rocket engine and Crew Dragon space capsule. Before then, NASA relied on the Russian-supplied RD-180 rocket engine and Soyuz spacecraft for manned earth orbit missions to manned earth orbit space stations, which you claimed is no longer necessary due to the Pentagon’s X-37 program. Even the Pentagon had to rely on the Russian-made RD-180 rocket engines to launch military spy, weather, missile warning, GPS and communications satellites to orbit for almost two decades now since 2000!!!

  144. vot tak says:

    The eu is zionazia’s suka in europe, effectively a duplicate of their american suka in the (misnamed) americas.

  145. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @SeekerofthePresence

    Who needs Richard Dawkins when you’ve got Pope Francis?

  146. vot tak says:

    75th Anniversary of the United Nations: Old problems, new challenges and global solutions

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504414-75-anniversary-un-problems-medvedev/

    Shorter version with journo filtration here:

    Medvedev Says Concerned Over Attempts to Replace UN With ‘Club of Democratic Nations’

    https://sputniknews.com/russia/202010241080866012-medvedev-says-concerned-over-attempts-to-replace-un-with-club-of-democratic-nations/

  147. antibeast says:
    @Bombercommand

    The United States has landed five manned missions on the Moon.

    Agree. But Wernher von Braun and his team of German scientists captured from Nazi Germany and brought to the USA under Operation Paperclip were responsible for developing the rocket engines for the Apollo Space Program.

    https://time.com/5627637/nasa-nazi-von-braun/

    Once he was settled in the U.S., von Braun’s career took off, largely fueled by the U.S.-Soviet technological rivalry that would develop into the Space Race. By 1953, his team developed America’s first ballistic missile, the Redstone, which could hurl a nuclear warhead up to 250 miles downrange. The Jupiter-C, a modified version of the Redstone, launched the United States’ first satellite, Explorer 1, in 1958 — a full year after the Soviets launched their first satellite, Sputnik 1. A von Braun TIME cover arrived in 1958, with the engineer’s calm, coifed likeness superimposed over the flames of a missile launch. Von Braun later became director of NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center, developing the behemoth Saturn V rocket, which 50 years ago this week carried Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to the moon’s surface, while Michael Collins waited in lunar orbit.

    In other words, Wernher von Braun — a German scientist from Nazi Germany — is credited with developing the first US ballistic missile, launching the first US satellite as well as designing the Saturn V rocket which carried US astronauts to the moon.

    We use the Russian engines in Atlas because they are excellent, we got them cheap and when they are all used then Space-X boosters will launch the X-37. Not an important issue. NASA was always intended to lead development, then hand off matured systems to the private sector, which is taking longer than hoped, but that’s life.

    Sorry but you’re wrong. NASA had to use the Russian rocket engines because it outsourced the development of rocket engines to UAL which opted to buy rocket engines from Russia instead of making their own rocket engines in the USA. After the US-Russia relationship soured over the annexation of Crimea in 2014, NASA signed contracts with SpaceX and Boeing to produce US-made rocket engines (as well as spacecraft) as alternatives to or replacements for the Russian-made RD-180 rocket engine and Soyuz spacecraft. Again, let’s give credit where credit is due: Elon Musk, the South African-born immigrant, founded SpaceX which developed the Raptor rocket engine and the Crew Dragon space capsule now used by NASA to ferry US astronauts to the ISS.

    You keep grasping at straws. Why can’t you admit that NASA had to rely on Russian-made RD-180 rocket engines and Soyuz spacecraft to ferry US astronauts to the ISS until Elon Musk’s SpaceX came up with the Raptor rocket engine and the Crew Dragon spacecraft?

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Bombercommand
  148. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a strange fact, but it really does seem to be true that virtually the whole slew of EU MEPs, Commissioners, bureaucrats etc etc seem to have been especially selected from the stupidest, most untalented, unable, foolish, intellectually weak, rubbish, trash scum that you could possibly dredge up from all of the EU’s 500 million inmates if you tried and tried and tried to search out your damned hardest.

    Take it from me, the EU is fucked.

    It’s only a matter of time ……..

  149. Anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s a strange fact, but it really does seem to be true that virtually the whole slew of EU MEPs, Commissioners, bureaucrats etc etc seem to have been especially selected from the stupidest, most untalented, unable, foolish, intellectually weak, rubbish, trash scum that you could possibly dredge up from all of the EU’s 500 million inmates if you tried and tried and tried to search out your damned hardest.

    Take it from me, the EU is fucked.

    It’s only a matter of time ……..

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  150. vot tak says:

    The israeli things continue their usual cowardly war crimes. The articles themselves is zionazi-gay toss, I post it here to show that zionazia is backing their armenian quislings now. Something I suspected would happen after they installed their color rev. garbage there. The schiiff quisling, like trump, is about as israeli quisling as it gets.

    House Intelligence Committee Chair Urges US to Recognize Independence of Nagorno-Karabakh

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202010231080864824-house-intelligence-committee-chair-urges-us-to-recognize-independence-of-nagorno-karabakh/

    Meanwhile, right on cue, the likudites exploit the psywar angle.

    Trump touts ‘really good progress’ at Armenia-Azerbaijan talks in Washington as shelling in disputed Nagorno-Karabakh intensifies

    https://www.rt.com/russia/504409-trump-armenia-azerbaijan-karabakh/

    • Replies: @Robjil
  151. Alfred says:
    @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    America is now ratcheting up its own space capabilities with private firms like SpaceX.

    You are being delusional here. The Germans who designed the older rockets are long gone. US engineering has been totally waylaid by a crap educational system. Boondoggles like Climate Change and fake Renewable Energy have been impressed on youthful minds.

    I don’t often agree with Elon Musk. And I know that the Moscow Times is as anti-Russian as can be. I believe it is owned by Americans.

    Elon Musk Hails Russian-Made Rocket Engine Design as ‘The Best’

  152. Alfred says:
    @anon

    China will want these back.

    The lands between the Russian and Chinese empires belonged to the nomads. With industrialization of the military, the nomads were conquered by both the Russians and the Chinese. They split these lands between themselves.

    Take a look at where the Wall of China lies and you will get a better understanding of history. The walls were built to keep the nomads out.

  153. Levtraro says:
    @antibeast

    I think what FB meant was that the ancestors of current Slavs were the founding people of Europe, not that their genes predominate in all of current Europe.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  154. Alfred says:
    @A123

    the horrors of anti-Christian theocracies such as those found in Iran and Germany.

    There is nothing anti-Christian about Iran. They do not spit on Christians like the Jews in Jerusalem do.

    Stop repeating your Zionist lies. Why don’t you mention Saudi Arabia and the UAE? Because their rulers are allies of Israel?

    There are around 1/2 million Armenian Christians in Iran. They have been there for hundreds of years. They, like the Jews, have reserved seats in the Iranian parliament. They are not disenfranchised by a first-past-the-post system like in the UK, the USA and so on.

    The Iranians occupied Georgia for centuries. They did not make the Georgians become Christians. However, the Turks of NATO will do that to the Christians of Armenia if they can do so. The Turks are supported by Israel and NATO in the ongoing war.

    Here is a list of Armenian churches in Iran – with photos:

    List of Armenian churches in Iran

    And here is their cathedral in Tehran:

    And here is the catholic cathedral in Tehran

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  155. Biff says:
    @Bombercommand

    We do not need Russian boosters, we have the RS-25, worked numerous missions for the Shuttle,

    • LOL: FB
  156. @showmethereal

    “…the way of the future for Earth orbit missions.”. For Earth orbit missions. I further clarify that point in my exchange with “Realist”, who also seems to have challenges with reading comprehension. IMO, there is no need for ANY manned missions, all research needs can be accomplished with robotic machines, and Outer Space is simply too hostile an environment for protoplasmic life. Yes, there is the Artemis mission to the Moon, I consider it a glamour project, but maybe I’m wrong. Personally, I think The United States is doing Artemis because China has been hinting it might do a manned Moon shot. It is important to remember that NASA originally didn’t want to do any manned missions, they are expensive, dangerous, and unneccesary, but they make great news headlines and groovy TV.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  157. Anonymous[169] • Disclaimer says:

    The unspeakable farting trash which runs the EU would love absolutely nothing on earth more than ‘doing a Gaddafi’ upon Turkish supremo Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
    Despite all the looks and smiles, nods and winks etc, the eurotrash would be positively orgasmic, to the point of actual ejaculation, to see footage of Erdogan being publicly butchered, Gaddafi style, by insurgents whom the eurotrash have armed, supported and encouraged.

    I do earnestly hope and pray that Erdogan realises that.

    Anyhow, Erdogan is the *one* man who can destroy the EU over night, just one bark, growl and yelp from him, accompanied by a few boatloads of ‘refugees’ will see the big fat pompous arse talking eurotrash reduced to impotent, quivering, gibbering wrecks.

    I do hope Erdogan realises that too.

    It’s a hard hard game.

  158. hrc77 says:
    @The Alarmist

    I support Russia and wish them the best , but truth have to be told..
    Putin is the only one to blame for the mediocre influence Russia have over Europe..
    For 20-21 years ,since putin came to power , he have been complaining ,complaining and complaining
    about the unfair west.. and have been doing NOTHING ,to change the western order for one that respect russia interest in the world. putin and lavrov complains and complains and complains ,
    how unfair is the west.. (an they are right.. they already have been saying that for 20 years)
    but they do NOTHING to improve things in their favor.. zero . and you will see why..
    Putin complains about the western hostile system towards , russia but why Russia don’t create his own system then? and this is the core of all russian problems. is a leadership problem. an influence problem.. the leader of the world order is america ,whether we like it or not doesn’t matter ,they lead international order , and top major influencer of the banking system , that have a significant control over unite nations ,that controls internet , controls the semiconductor industry , leads the world in entertainment and in advance technology too and lead the world in space explorations.. and so and so and so on.. even the internet is controlled by americans.. so putin’s Russia since he came to power have not moved a single finger ,to challenge the american business hegemony ,in the civilian world.. it means that Putin vision of russia economic development have been incredibly short sighted and outdated.. all that putin have been promoting as “Development” of russia are cosmetical and symbolical achievements like be the best in sports.. and to break world records in gas station supply.. and create the most powerful nukes.. so how putin expect to be taken seriously by europe if he runs russia is so backward and outdated way???? as a gas station? all that putin have been doing to “influence europe” is become a monopoly in energy , the saudi arabia of asia..
    and this is why putin find itself totally disrespected by the most developed nations in the west.. Russian culture ends at russian borders.. while the american culture covers the entire world..
    so it is putin the one to blame.. unfortunately as long putin is president there , russia will continue being disrespected its interest.. and when a nation is disrespected is because lacks of leadership ,lacks of influence thats it.. if putin had any clue of what he is doing , he develops russia looking to the past… to the good old soviet times.. and the good old russian empire times and this is wrong ,he need to modernize russia ,reinvent russia in a new and better and modern way .. this means that if russia wants europe to listen russia.. is not europe the one that needs to change .. bur Russia is instead.. he needs to stop following the american world.. the american internet ,stop depending of american business and follow the example of china. and challenge american business leadership in the world.. nothing is more attractive for any nation , than business Success ,that nation modernization.. nothing is more attractive than to lead the world into future development ,, this is why china is doing.. in some areas first.. but this is where they are aiming..and becoming an alternative to the american high tech business world.. this is why the west fears more china than russia.. because the only thing putin have to influence the west is gas discounts.. and later putin don’t understand why all russian neighbors prefer to join europe ,than outdated primitive orthodox russia. so is a leadership problem ,the reason why europe don’t listen.. nations follows leaders.. and russia is not a leader ,but a follower of the americans.. china in the other hand is starting to lead and to do what no other nation in the world ever have done.. challenge american leadership in their own business.. cross checking apple , cross checking american it industry and even offering more competition to americans in space explorations.. putin all he cares is about his gas station and his military and he will never impress the west , with gas discounts. americans leads the world.. and putin complains about it.. then if he don’t like it.. perhaps he needs to stop complaining and start leading too ,in most prestigious business that american have ,that europe consider more popular and more important..

    • Replies: @Majority of One
    , @Levtraro
  159. @A123

    “To defend Christian beliefs, America stands against the horrors of anti-Christian theocracies such as those found in Iran and Germany.”

    Its pretty strange for a supposed pro westerner to be so anti-German. Anti Merkel, sure, maybe. Anti German? Germany is in the centre of Europe. Iran is no threat to Europe. Sunni Islam is.

    The USA allies with Saudi Arabia, and the other Arabian States, the home of most Sunni radicalism, as Macron recently pointed out by trying to ban the influence of America’s Arabian allies.

    The US is by far the most anti-Christian western nation in terms of its attitude to actual practising Christians, we we can see in the confirmation hearings. Europe is post Christian, but by and large ( except when it inherits the ideology from the US) not anti-Christian.

  160. Alfred says:
    @A123

    Give up A123.

    Anyone who has been here for a while knows that you are not here to offer any useful information – only plenty of disinformation and outright lies.

    I have lost track of how many outrageous statements you have made on this page – and how many people have pointed out your shortcomings. 🙂

    • LOL: A123
  161. Alfred says:
    @Mike Tre

    I asked her where she was from. Moldova.

    Moldova is another country that is being rapidly depopulated. It has two flavours – Romanian and Slav. There was a civil war there not so long ago. The central government tried to take over Transnistria – where many ethnic Russians live.

    You can be sure that NATO is working hard to rekindle this civil war. But I suspect that they are afraid that the Russian army would just dash across Ukraine and put an end to this. You can be sure that the Ukrainian army will never try to take on the Russians. In fact, many units would happily switch sides. That is why they are concentrating of Belarus and Armenia.

    • Agree: Robert Konrad
  162. A123 says:
    @a_german

    There is No German agression. Nobody is interested in Poland.
    …they have the idea to run whole Europe. …

    Perhaps we are closer than I originally thought. These phrases are actually in the same sort of mental space:
    — Yours “run whole Europe”
    — Mine “aggression”

    How would you describe Merkel’s attempt to coerce nations like Hungary and Poland into taking large numbers of dangerous rape-ugees?

    Can you accept that Polish Christians and Hungarian Christian have (in their minds) legitimate reasons to fear Merkel‘s Mandatory Muslim Migration policy?

    Berlin is a City that is not able to build a Terminal on an existing airfield or run a tube.

    Merkel’s plans are certainly failing. Her rape-ugees commit violent vehicle attacks on German Christmas markets. Given the inexplicable Muslim stance on beer… How does Merkel think that millions of violent Muslims and the tourist events of Oktoberfest can co-exist?

    What is most distressing… The “Welcome Rape-ugees” has clearly failed in Germany. Yet, Merkel continues to use national power to increase the number of rape-ugees in Germany and the rest of the EU.

    Do the German people want to become extinct?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @a_german
  163. A123 says:
    @Bombercommand

    BC,

    You are wasting your time trying to converse with FB The Military Ignorant TROLL. He claims to be a military expert, but he is not. I had to educate him that the U.S. Air Force has, for decades, used mid-air refueling to extend the ranges of combat aircraft.

    FB with a new Russian equipment spec-sheet results in a “fluids event”, like allowing Jeffery Toobin on Zoom call. The consequences are messy.

    I placed this critter on my blocked commenters list some time ago. All I see is a soothing grey bar when he posts irrelevant, obviously fallacious, Russian Fan-Boy rants.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Bombercommand
  164. Merkel isn’t Germany. The US is also pressurising Hungary and Poland. See Biden.

    The refugee crisis exists because of US interference in any case.

  165. @SteveK9

    “Russia is a European country”?

    Gee, let me guess, you’re American.

    I know that you guys have absolutely no clue about the world outside your borders but you caqn travel ALL OF EUROPE and not find one European who thinks that Russia is a “European country”.

    (Reading this kind of ignorant idiocy just hurts my head).

  166. @SteveK9

    “Russia is a European country”?

    Gee, let me guess, you’re American.

    I know that you guys have absolutely no clue about the world outside your borders but you can travel ALL OF EUROPE and not find one European who thinks that Russia is a “European country”.

    (Reading this kind of ignorant idiocy just hurts my head).

  167. antibeast says:
    @Levtraro

    I think what FB meant was that the ancestors of current Slavs were the founding people of Europe, not that their genes predominate in all of current Europe.

    I was responding to the following statement made by FB in his earlier post:

    The ancestors of today’s Slavs were the founding people of Europe…both genetically and linguistically.

    FB is incorrect. There were extant populations in Europe BEFORE the Indo-European migrants arrived there between 3,000BCE to 2,000BCE. That means they are NOT the founding people of Europe, genetically-speaking although they could be considered the founding people of the Indo-European family of languages which spread throughout Europe, Central Asia, Iran and North India via mass migrations from the Eurasian Steppe. In Europe, the Indo-Europeans intermixed with the native European populations, contributing their Indo-European languages and mythologies which evolved into various European languages and mythologies. In Asia, another group who settled in Central Asia, Iran and North India intermixed with the native Asian populations and contributed their Indo-Iranian languages which evolved into West Iranian, East Iranian and Indo-Aryan languages.

    Neither can they be considered the founding people of Europe, culturally-speaking because European Civilization is founded on the Classical Greco-Roman-Christian Cultures which arose in the Mediterranean World and not on the Indo-European pastoralist culture of the Eurasian Steppe. Their claim to fame is their linguistic contribution to European languages, most of which belong to the Indo-European family of languages, with few exceptions, i.e., Basque, Maltese, Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, etc.

    The proto-Indo-Europeans were Eurasian genetically with half of their ancestry coming from Siberia which is in North Asia and the other half coming from Eastern Europe and the Caucasus. Those who settled in Europe became Europeans while those who settled in Asia became Asians. In terms of their genetic contributions, Northern and Eastern Europeans have higher percentages of Indo-European ancestry than Southern Europeans but below those of certain groups of Central Asians such as the Tajiks, Pashtuns and Yagnobis who have the highest percentages of Indo-European genes. What makes Europeans genetically European is their native European genes which is absent amongst Central Asians, Iranians and Indians who share the same Indo-European ancestry as Europeans. Likewise, what makes Asians who share the same Indo-European ancestry as Europeans genetically Asian is their Asian ancestry which is absent amongst Europeans.

    • Agree: Bombercommand, Von Rho
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Von Rho
    , @FB
    , @FB
    , @Cyrano
  168. @A123

    Yeah, but without disagreement we can’t have interesting discussions, and it sharpens the wit to duel with opposition. We need the FBs, Fran Taubmans, Talhas, Wallys, Chinamans, Irises etc. or the Unz comments would be as boring and worthless as the comments on Moonofalabama.org. Hell, I disagree with at least half of the articles on Unz Review, never mind the commenters. I don’t have anyone on “ignore”. FB is particularly entertaining, it is fun watching him try to be nice then gradually or suddenly melt down in a chimp out, and I actually learn interesting stuff from FB.

    • LOL: A123
  169. @hrc77

    Garbage in—garbage out. Ukie Galician troll?

  170. Petermx says:
    @Robert Konrad

    Like it rose in the 1920’s and 30’s when its churches were burned down and priests were murdered and nuns were raped, when millions of Christians were murdered and Christianity was banned? The USSR collapsed in 1991 and that contradicts your claim that atheism will bring success to Russia. The difference between eastern Europe and Russia as opposed to western Europe and much of the USA is that God has returned to life in eastern Europe and Russia, President Putin has shown it respect while in the west they insult Christianity when the Pope says says he supports L.G.B.T and homosexuality.

    “And how would you know?” By spending the last 2 years in eastern Europe and Ukraine I have observed a lot. The closest friend I met there is a devout Christian. I am not religious and many people are not but Russia under Putin and eastern Europe have so far rejected the lunacy of the left. That has brought some success. The west will continue its decline as long as people like the Pope run it. One of the poorest and most backwards countries in the world a few decades ago, China, now has a bigger economy than the USA. I don’t think religion or Christianity brings success on its own but people that respect religion also respect traditional values and reject extreme left lunacy. That brings success.

    Leftist lunacy:

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  171. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    The Russians should never ever forgive or forget the actions of France in the 1850s namely the naked French aggression and allying with Turkey(!) with the explicit objective of destroying Russia politically.

    Yes, times have moved on in one and a half centuries, but the exact same French nastiness, jealousy and perfidy is still there. Believe me.

    On another note, Bismarck, for one, knew what the French are/were all about.

  172. Anonymous[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Not true:

    The ethnogenesis of the peoples typified by the phrase ‘Corded Ware’, which the latest genetic research on ancient human remains happened in what is now south Ukraine, some five thousand years or so ago, indicates that this population was a hybrid type population being, generally, descended from a group known to scientists as the ‘EHG’, eastern hunter gatherers, on the paternal side and the CHG of Caucasus hunter gatherers in the maternal side.
    It must be stressed that both of these populations must be regarded as strictly ‘European’ in the sense that they were indigenous to the continent of Europe as presently defined.

    From the Ukrainian Stredny Stog culture, the Corded Ware people migrated into central Europe, where they mixed with western hunter gatherer and early farmer populations already there. From this mixture came the Indo European, the Sintashta people, who in a back migration became the ‘Aryans’ of Iran and India.

    The Sintashta people were, more or less *genetically identical* to living central and eastern Europeans. A very significant and pertinent discovery of modern science, but of course is suppressed by the anti white PC mob.

    • Agree: FB, Malla
    • Replies: @antibeast
  173. @A123

    “Barack Hussein and Hillary Clinton despise Christianity and democracy.”

    Christianity and democracy are actually opposed to each other. Trying to make them work together is a folly. If in democracy whether direct or representative – people can vote on or elect people who can change laws – the majority opinion can turn laws into what they want. So a Christian democracy is an oxymoron really. It lasts maybe a couple of generations before laws change that are against “Christian doctrine”. You can’t fit round pegs into square holes. You will always be frustrated.

  174. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @A123

    How would you describe Merkel’s attempt to coerce nations like Hungary and Poland into taking large numbers of dangerous rape-ugees?

    In Short:
    The EU is an artifical undemocratic Project run by idiots (i worked in One of their Projects) Focus is on the size of their offices, the wall colour and the design of the Interieurs. They never did something like border security. Foreign powers has used this to flood the EU with migrants.

    Germany was the only country able to absorb the masses (and in need of young people), so they did. I live a few 100 meters from a refugee Home. 6 months after the Immigration wave i saw a lot of oriental womans with a lot of baggage coming. The kids from there are now in Kindergarten and the school has a new building to teach them beginning from next year. Finished last year (Germanys gouverment is very efficient).

    Everything else is theater for the masses. “Merkel” (which is only a puppet to hide the power) can get the no from hungary with a phone call and surely the gouverment did before Mass media Reports.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  175. @Robert Konrad

    Agreed… Biden also talked about he and Obama talked tough and antagonized Russia and China with drills in their neighborhoods. Duh -now Russia and China are both ahead of the US in missile technology. So Trump doubled down and now Biden says he’s going to triple down..?? Insanity indeed.

  176. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Elon Musk…developed the Raptor rocket engine and the Crew Dragon space capsule…blahblahblah…

    Proving of course what a complete idiot you are…

    The so-called ‘Raptor’ engine has NEVER flown [other than a ridiculous 150 m test hop]…it certainly does not carry astronauts, nor anything else…

    You simply regurgitate popular magazine-level information here, most of which is ridiculous nonsense…and you can’t even get that right…

    I suggest you shut up about things in which you have ZERO knowledge, that’s what smart people do…better to be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt…

    • Agree: Alfred
  177. @antibeast

    RS-25. An augmented RS-25, the Space Launch System(SLS) will lift the Artemis program, no Russian gear needed.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  178. Von Rho says:
    @antibeast

    I agree with your comment, but in taking advantage of our cultural roots, other factors can be considered giving equal importance. Some non-Western countries value culture more than race. Dravidians are not Indo-Aryans, but are considered among Hindus to be equal to themselves. Kemal Ataturk considered the Kurds, who are Indo-Europeans, to be “mountain Turks” and Turkey’s Byzantine heritage with the same importance that the Greeks also have. Japan, in turn, gives importance to both race and culture: the Ainu suffer prejudice, as do the Japanese who lived abroad, even for a short time.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  179. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Other than battle axes and horse-drawn chariots, the Indo-Europeans didn’t develop their own “Indo-European Civilization”…

    Yeah…OTHER THAN…inventing the WHEEL…metal weapons…and domesticating the horse…they really didn’t do much for civilization…

    Do you ever listen to your completely retarded ass…?

    Until a little more than 100 years ago, a little more than the span of a human life…the horse was for 5000 years the DRIVER of civilization itself…

    Do you see indigenous peoples that make wheeled vehicles and use horses…?

    Maybe that’s the reason they don’t have civilization…?…[kind of like the reason you don’t have a normally functioning brain…]

    And btw CLOWN…in your citing Haak about European genetics, you leave out a crucial bit of contextual information, whether Haak was talking about PATERNAL Y-haplogroups, which is what I was talking about with the R1a and R1b…OR with the MATERNAL genes that come only from the mother…

    BIG DIFFERENCE, CLOWN…

    Invasions are always carried out by MALES…which is why the R1a and R1b are the DOMINANT European Y haplogroups…this is very very basic stuff…in the Kurgan model, it is clear that the R1a and R1b males that took over the ‘old’ Europe 5,000 years ago mated with the native females, while EXTERMINATING the males, thus ending their genetic lineage…

    You are really quite an annoying clown…there is nothing worse than some twit who knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, jumping in and tossing around gibberish…

    You also stated here that the SpaceX Raptor engine carries the Crew Dragon [which btw has only flown once]…which is NOT true…in fact very very far from the truth, because this engine has never ‘flown’ more than a few FEET…

    That is how much your gibberish is contributing here…

  180. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    FB is incorrect. There were extant populations in Europe BEFORE the Indo-European migrants arrived there between 3,000BCE to 2,000BCE.

    First off, CLOWN…the R1a and R1b indo-Europeans were never ‘migrants’…they were INVADERS…they exterminated the male populations that resisted and mated with the females…

    They were unstoppable because they had developed WHEELED transport like ox carts and later chariots, as well as METAL tools and weapons…the peoples they invaded didn’t have that…they also didn’t have the horse…

    These are the BIG factors and this is very well known…I already pointed to celebrated anthropologist David Anthony’s book The Horse, the Wheel and Language…

    I suggest you read that FIRST, before coming here with your uneducated diarrhea…

    [Prof Anthony] explores the origins and spread of the Indo-European languages from the Pontic-Caspian steppe throughout Western Europe, and Central and South Asia.

    He shows how the domesticated horse and the invention of the wheel mobilized the steppe herding societies in the Eurasian Steppe, and combined with the introduction of bronze technology and new social structures of patron-client relationships gave an advantage to the Indo-European societies.

    You’ve got a hell of a lot of nerve for a bloody retard…

  181. Anonymous[108] • Disclaimer says:
    @a_german

    It was *NEVER* about Germany ‘needing young people’, that’s just pure bollocks put out to con the gullible.
    If it were true, there’s a shit ton worth of unemployed young people in southern Europe – thanks EU! – who would be willing to work in Germany for German wages. Note that the Germans have done absolutely fuck all to reach out to them.

    No it was a pure act of brainless stupidity motivated by nazi guilt.

  182. @Bombercommand

    Wheels and wagons are two different things… The oldest wagons are found in Europe but the oldest wheels are found in the middle east (where we would say Iraq is). Since there weren’t written records at that time – we can only hypothesize how the developments took place.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anonymous
  183. @Anonymous

    But the oldest wheels are in the middle east… the oldest wagons (which are younger) are found in europe.

    • Replies: @Anon
  184. @a_german

    “There is No German agression. Nobody is interested in Poland.”

    I really, really wish it were not true.

    But unfortunately it is. Neither Germany (traditionally the worst enemy of Poland) neither Russia (now irrationally viewed by almost every Pole as Poland’s main enemy) is interested in Poland, a third-rate country with a seriously flawed democracy; a country pathologically Catholic, pathologically russophobic and pathologically pro-American–a very unpleasant combination for Russia.

    I used to monitor Russian webzines (like Sputnik, both in Russian and Polish, Russia Insider, Fort Russ, and RT, of course) and a consistent picture emerges: if necessary, Russia really couldn’t care less about Poland for very good reasons, some of which I mentioned above. Russia today is interested in working with Western governments, including Poland, but Russia is no longer interested in territorial expansion and has no imperialist goals. Russia has fabulous natural resources, more than any other country in the world, and a highly educated population. It bodes extremely well for the future of the Russian Federation.

    Why bother with Poland or other such minor, insignificant states like Estonia or Lithuania? Or even with such a failing democracy like the US, now ranked 23rd or 24th in the world according to the Economist Index of democracies?

    • Replies: @a_german
  185. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    In terms of their genetic contributions, Northern and Eastern Europeans have higher percentages of Indo-European ancestry than Southern Europeans…

    TOTAL BULLSHIT…[as I already stated previously]…

    Here is the CURRENT genetic map of Europe, showing the distribution of Y-haplogroups…

    –Genetic History of Europe

    Notice first that the DOMINANT group is R…namely the ‘Slavic’ R1a and the ‘Celtic’ R1b…this is the DNA of the Corded Ware [R1a] and Yamna [R1b] people that are known as Proto-Indo-Europeans…

    Notice also that in some regions, like Scandinavia, the most prevalent Y is actually the I haplogroup…this is also true in areas of SOUTHERN Europe like the Balkans…

    This I haplogroup is considered INDIGENOUS to Europe, before the invasions of the ‘Aryan’ peoples carrying the R marker…

    Haplogroup I appears to have arisen in Europe, so far being found in Palaeolithic sites throughout Europe (Fu 2016), but not outside it. It diverged from common ancestor IJ* about 43,000 years [before present].

    –Haplogroup I-M170

    Here is a table [in alphabetical order] showing the geographic distribution of this ‘indigenous’ European paternal gene…

    We note for instance that Belarussians have a high occurrence [over 30 percent]…so do Scandinavians [Danes 39 percent…Norwegians 45 percent…Swedes 44 percent…]

    The highest is actually in the Balkans, which is SOUTHERN Europe…Bosnians 65 percent…Croats 46 percent…]

    Haplogroup I (M170) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ, which itself is a derivative of the haplogroup IJK.

    Subclades I1 and I2 can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and Southeastern European countries.

    So much for your complete nonsense about some kind of gradient between north and south…it turns out the north and some south Europeans are MOST SIMILAR to each other than with other groups…

    This haplogroup is also associated with tall males…

    This haplogroup reaches its maximum frequency in the Western Balkans (with the highest concentration of I2 in present-day Herzegovina).

    It may be associated with unusually tall males, since those in the Dinaric Alps have been reported to be the tallest in the world, with an average male height of the range 180 cm (5 ft 11 in)-182 cm (6 ft 0 in) in the cantons of Bosnia, 184 cm (6 ft 0 in) in Sarajevo, 182 cm (6 ft 0 in)-186 cm (6 ft 1 in) in the cantons of Herzegovina.

  186. Robjil says:
    @vot tak

    Whatever angle this is coming from, it is good that NK is being declared independent.

    Turkey had no right to take over 36 percent of Cyprus and push all the Greeks out.

    Turkey is involved in this attack on NK. Turkey supports US/Israel Isis in Syria. Turkey supports the same crew in Libya. Turkey, a large nation of 80 million is bully with its belly full.

    Kosovo was broken off Serbia by NATO. Why was that allowed? It is a similar situation.

    Azeri Turks like the Turks have no history in the past hundred years of being tolerant or even respecting the lives non-Turks.

    It would be great tragedy if the people of NK to be taken over by the Azeri Turks. The Armenians are indigenous to the area for thousands of years. Azeri Turk culture came to this area as invaders in the 11th century. It is a recent culture to this region.

  187. annamaria says:

    On the stunnign level of zionization of western MSM. Anything goes for the glory of Eretz Israel and mega-war profiteers: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/504364-bbc-white-helmets-documentary

    The BBC is preparing an attack against journalists, former diplomats, academics and scientists who challenge the dominant pro-war narratives against Syria underpinned by the pseudo-humanitarian White Helmets.

    The Netflix indecent fakery the “White Helmes”

    has been dismantled by some of the most acclaimed independent journalists and researchers of our time, including Cory Morningstar, Rick Sterling, Eva Bartlett, Stephen Kinzer, Robert Parry, John Pilger, Gareth Porter, Ray McGovern, Phillip Giraldi, Craig Murray and former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter, to name just a few.

    The former UK ambassador to Syria, Peter Ford:

    The BBC has systematically tried to suppress views on Syria which run counter to the standard one-sided narrative. This programme’s efforts to smear dissenters takes BBC conduct to a new low. By alleging conspiracy theorising where there is only evidence-based reporting and analysis, the BBC is showing its frustration at being unable to stifle truth-telling.

    What else can be expected from the Skripaled-nation of the UK ruled by zionists and the zionized war profiteers such as the dishonorable Arbuthnots and Blairs

    The UK and EU government-funded Mayday Rescue organisation was established by Le Mesurier to provide an intermediary management of the funds the UK government was providing to the White Helmets as they embedded themselves with armed groups in extremist-controlled areas throughout Syria, the last remaining and “largest Al Qaeda haven since 9/11.”

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    , @A123
  188. annamaria says:
    @annamaria

    A little cherry on the British (Talmudist) pile:

    Well now we just caught the famous “White Helmets” with their pants down in their studio using crisis actors! Putting makeup on adults and kids to get us into another stupid war!

    https://iamamalaysian.com/2018/03/11/all-fake-white-helmets-busted-using-actors/

    this Netflix-sponsored documentary is a fraud in itself, because all of the alleged ‘rescue’ footage was supplied to the western film production company by the White Helmets themselves – so the Netflix producers have no way of independently verifying what they’ve been given. Clearly, they do not care whether its real or staged, because reality is not the objective of this bogus documentary, rather, the film’s purpose – despite the claims by its front persons Joanna Natasegara and Orlando Von Einsiedel – was to reinforce the US-led Coalition fake narrative on Syria which has never resembled the facts on the ground.”

    https://www.tasnimnews.com/en/news/2017/03/01/1343211/white-helmets-whole-existence-fraudulent-oscar-winning-film-fraud-us-analyst
    Here are two shameless profiteers, Joanna Natasegara and Orlando Von Einsiedel: https://www.dailyherald.com/storyimage/DA/20170227/news/302279977/EP/1/1/EP-302279977.jpg&updated=201702270648&MaxW=800&maxH=800&noborder

  189. Cyrano says:
    @antibeast

    Never mind whether the Slavs are European. There are a lot of brainiacs in the west who still think that the word Slav comes from the fact that they were literally slaves.

    It makes sense. Once the Slavs realized how great the Europeans are, they voluntarily came to Europe to be slaves to such great and genetically superior race. They figured it out that it’s the only way to get ahead – to be slaves to the superior Europeans at the beginning and then eventually to be accepted as inferior to them.

    And now, history is repeating itself – but this time with a different outcome. The inhabitants from the 3rd world found out what a great guys the Europeans are, – same as the Slavs 2 millenniums ago, and are moving in en masse to Europe.

    This time tho, the objective is not to be slaves themselves, but to enslave the European morons themselves. I guess they must have learned the lesson from the Slavs – if you can’t get the respect from the “superior” Europe, just turn the tables on them and enslave them. That’s the only way to get some respect from the degenerates.

  190. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Wheels and wagons are two different things… The oldest wagons are found in Europe but the oldest wheels are found in the middle east (where we would say Iraq is).

    Let’s listen to how this sounds…’wheels and wagons are two different things’…

    Do you actually have any kind of brain matter whatsoever…?

    What would WAGONS actually use other than WHEELS…?

    Maybe the ancient Europeans that invented the wheel actually used logs, where they had guys running alongside and taking the logs from the back and throwing them under the front as the wagon moved forward…?

    The spoked wheel was invented more recently and allowed the construction of lighter and swifter vehicles. The earliest known examples of wooden spoked wheels are in the context of the Sintashta culture, dating to c. 2000 BC (Krivoye Lake).

    Soon after this, horse cultures of the Caucasus region used horse-drawn spoked-wheel war chariots for the greater part of three centuries.

    They moved deep into the Greek peninsula where they joined with the existing Mediterranean peoples to give rise, eventually, to classical Greece after the breaking of Minoan dominance and consolidations led by pre-classical Sparta and Athens.

    Celtic chariots introduced an iron rim around the wheel in the 1st millennium BC.

    –History of the Wheel

    The Sintashta culture is of course the European R1a people I have talked about here…they came from the Corded Ware culture as it expanded eastward from its Northern European base…

    Here we see the genetics of the Corded Ware [R1a] as they moved east, with the Sintashta culture to the far right of the Corded Ware expansion…


    You have backed up NONE of your retarded claims here with any citations whatsoever…I suggest you RUN to your nearest pharmacy counter and get something for your explosive diarrhea…

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  191. FB says: • Website
    @Bombercommand

    The United States has landed five manned missions on the Moon.

    Actually SIX crewed landings on the moon…here is the historic Apollo 11 press conference, with the crew of Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, and Mike Collins…

    Just a sample of some of the comments on this video…

    I’ve seen happier guys at a funeral.

    OMFG! it’s like they have guns to their heads.

    I’ve never seen 3 people who just achieved the greatest feat of engineering and exploration in all of human history be so uncomfortable about it.

    He sounds like he’s talking about a terrible tragedy.

    Com’on man… Obviously something ain’t right here. Wow.

    The hollow barrel of a gun above their heads. So clear to see what is going on in their minds. This is shocking to watch.

    I have never seen a more fidgety, nervous, suspicious and Fishy -looking bunch of guys in my life!

    When the body language is your enemy.

    This is too painful to watch.

    Just a small sample of the 15,000 comments here…

    Watch this footage and draw your own conclusions…

    • Agree: Robjil
  192. @Alfred

    Isn’t it ironic that Jews and Christians are able to have a better life in Iran than they can in Saudi Arabia…. Yet the Saudis get treated like the world’s royal family. This is unrelated to the threat but now Sudan agreed to pay some money to be taken off the terrorist watch list by the US. Sudan is a far more brutal country than Iran.

    • Troll: A123
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  193. @Bombercommand

    Well yes they are glamour projects. Many things related to the US military industrial complex – of which NASA is an off-shoot – are exactly glamour and bloated projects. That’s why they suck up so much of the budget. You put too much faith in US gov practicality. Even if they do go completely unmanned – if I was a gambler I would put money on the Russian and Chinese comparable vehicles being much less costly and giving more bang for the buck.

  194. Ricko says:
    @Ugetit

    You are very welcome. Please forward this speech onwards as much as you can.

  195. Ricko says:
    @Ugetit

    I erroneously clicked the disagree instead of the agree tab and due to being confined to 5 uses per 8 hours am unable to correct. 🙂

  196. @Petermx

    Indeed. What a world we live in. The pope now supports same sex civil unions – while the “villain” Putin came out and said Russia needs to put in the law that marriage is between a man and a woman. And yes of course China and Iran and everyone else who is not a “friend of the west” is accused of oppressing the LBGTQ population just because they don’t allow them to run everything and adopt children. The foundation of human society is the family. A “real” family.

  197. A123 says:
    @annamaria

    The Netflix indecent fakery

    All one needs to know about Islamic Netflix was contained in the indecent Quran indoctrination film Cuties about an 11 year old Muslim girl. Muhammad raped Aishia when she was 9 years old so that is now a goal of Islamic men everywhere. The intent of the film is to make little girls available to Muslim men, Rotherham style.

    The Islamic paedophilia was so egregious in this case that the State of Texas is prosecuting: (1)

    Netflix is facing criminal prosecution over the controversial French film ‘Cuties,’ after a Texas grand jury indicted the entertainment streaming service for lewd depiction of children.

    The indictment was filed on September 23 in Tyler County but was shared on Tuesday on Twitter by Republican state Representative Matt Schaefer. It accuses Netflix of knowingly promoting visual material that depicts “lewd exhibition” of the genitals or pubic area of a clothed or partially clothed child who was under 18 when the content was created. Further, the prosecution alleges that the material “appeals to the prurient interest in sex and has no serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.”

    By doing business with SJW Islamic Germany and France, Russia is sending a message to the world. This is what Putin wants in Moscow. Russia needs to stop doing business with an EU dominated by SJW IslamoGloboPaedo.

    PEACE 😇
    _____

    (1) https://www.rt.com/usa/502755-netflix-cuties-indicted/

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    , @annamaria
  198. A123 says:
    @showmethereal

    Isn’t it ironic that Jews and Christians are able to have a better life in Iran

    It is ironic that anyone believes that Jews have a decent life in Iran. The Ayatollahs have ethnically cleansed 90%+ of Iran’s Jewish population in ~40 years. (1)

    Iran’s Jewish population topped 100,000 in the years before the Shah of Iran was toppled in 1979 by the country’s Shiite Muslim clerics. Today, the number of Jews has dipped to below 9,000.

    If Iran is so great…. Let us apply the Iran model in Jewish Palestine. Would you support a 90%+ cleansing of the Muslim population there? If not, “Hypocrite” is your first name.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/02/19/387265766/irans-jews-its-our-home-and-we-plan-to-stay

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  199. @FB

    You get unhinged very quickly…. I prefer a man who likes to insult people to do it eye to eye. But I see there is a handful of people on here who can’t help themselves. But I will refrain from going that route today.
    In any event – my point is wheels appear to have been used in pottery making first in the Middle East. Wagons – yes use wheels but they are not the oldest found wheel. Since there is no written record we do NOT know how wheels moved about among people groups. It could very easily be that someone saw the pottery wheel and said “hey let’s see how that works on the ground”. Then someone got another idea and then another and then they appear on wagons in Ukraine. We do NOT know exactly what happened.

    There are many sources to site – but I will just use one: https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/archaeologists-have-long-sought-but-never-found-the-very-first-wheel

    Here is a quote from the link – which fits many other sources: “Despite this evidence and decades of archaeological research, we don’t know precisely where the first wheeled vehicles were made.

    In part, that’s because of the margin of uncertainty around radiocarbon dates. The method produces an age range such as 3100 to 3300 B.C., rather than a precise year like 3273 B.C. Radiocarbon dates for early wheels overlap from geographically far-flung sites, including ones in present-day Hungary, Iraq and Turkmenistan.

    Plus, wheeled vehicles could have been invented more than once. Supporting this possibility, early examples differ technologically. Vehicles found in the East had fixed axles and rotating wheels, whereas ones discovered in Switzerland and Germany featured axles that also turned. This could mean cultures in the East and West independently came up with wheeled transport — or that one group borrowed the idea from another, but designed it differently.”

    Notice there were wheeled toys found in the Central America’s before Europeans arrived. No – we don’t know how they got the ideas.

    • Replies: @FB
  200. Bill Daly says:
    @SteveK9

    The West won’t lose Russia. The West just has to relearn to respect truth, it’s own heritage and honest behaviour.

  201. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Look, clown…

    This isn’t about pottery wheels, or toy wheels…it’s about TRANSPORTATION WHEELS, and how the EUROPEAN invention of the wheel [and domestication of the horse to pull it] changed the course of human civilization, like no other event in our history…

    If you don’t understand the difference, then you are either mentally deficient or simply trying to throw up contentious nonsense…either way, you have no right to feel ‘insulted’…clean up your act, read the material that is presented here, and then comment INTELLIGENTLY…

    There is no dispute among archeologists, anthropologists and historians that the REAL first use of wheeled transport was with the Indo-Europeans…in EUROPE…read my post above…

    The dead were inhumed in flat graves inside a small mound. Bodies were laid on their side with bent knees.

    Wagons/carts and sacrificed animals were present in graves

    And how this epochal development shaped the course of human history…

    …the domesticated horse and the invention of the wheel mobilized the steppe herding societies in the Eurasian Steppe, and combined with the introduction of bronze technology and new social structures of patron-client relationships gave an advantage to the Indo-European societies.

    –Corded Ware Culture, 3000 to 2350 BCE

    Do you think Prof Anthony just pulled his landmark work out of his ass…?

    The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World

    Nobody is disputing this history, it is accepted fact and supports the much older Kurgan Hypothesis about the true [and fascinating] nature of our European roots…

    • Replies: @Levtraro
  202. wdg says:

    There is a form of atheistic, multi-racial and anti-Christian/Satanic Neo-Bolshevism sweeping across a dying and degenerate Europe while Russia shakes off the Bolshevik nightmare and embraces Christianity, national sovereignty, traditions, culture, marriage, family, children, excellence, grace and harmony. Europe is now a soulless creature trudging on devoid of humanity and in clear violation of natural law. 

  203. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @Robert Konrad

    If it were true, there’s a shit ton worth of unemployed young people in southern Europe –

    Oh, there are a lot, but the most prefer to stay at Home. There where a lot of attempts to move the southern young unemployed to Germany, but mostly they wan’t. To be honest, if i where a Spanisch Young Man the Last Thing i want is to move to Germany, for several reasons. Birth rate rate of native Germans is dramatical low, far below 1 and you need 2.x to Hold the number of people constant.

    Mr Sinn from the IFO Institute Said in a Speach that Germany needs 30 Million people in the next 30 Years to Hold the population constant. He is everything else than a fool.

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    , @Robert Konrad
  204. @Bombercommand

    ESA has always taken this position despite French pressure for maned flight.

  205. АммА says:
    @Steven80

    Many funny thoughts, but these are priceless:
    “Contemporary Russia is a military descendand of the Golden Horde”, “Old church slavonic is actually old bulgarian..” and “Russia is also spiritual descendant of the Byzantine and Bulgarian states “… :)))) This is typical for “братко Бугарин”, I really like it when Bulgar(ian)s teach other people history and preach about how everything in orthodoxy and ancient Europe has that good, old midas bulgarian touch. It alwas gives me a good laugh. On the other hand we have undeniable fact that ancient short, dark, hairy Vulgars (not blue eyed, rye-colored hair Russians) were Turkic Hordes and old Hunno-Bulgarian language has nothing in common with Slavic languages. That’s why Bulgarians still have few names of Turkic origin (Asen, Chavdar or old Shishman), which were actually Bulgar dynasties long ago. In addition, “modern” Bulgarian is nothing but a crude set of borrowed Serbian words without knowing Serbian grammar. So everything you said about Russians is actually describing Bulgar(ian)s. Get out of here.

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  206. Anon[168] • Disclaimer says:

    The British wanted a war against Germany starting in the late 1800s and finally got one in 1914. The Jews wanted Palestine and told the British they’d bring America into that war in return for the Balfour Declaration.

    The British wanted another war against Germany. So did the Jews, who declared war on Germany in 1933. They finally got their war in 1939.

    This Anglo-American-Jewish alliance has been the aggressor for over 100 years. Not only against other nations, but against the people of their own nations, who are being replaced.

    They know they can’t win a war against Russia.

    But they can continue with their bellicose and petulant attitude, which has infected Europe, thanks to Germany’s defeat in WW II and the British and American (and Jewish) meddling that took place thereafter.

  207. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    The ethnogenesis of the peoples typified by the phrase ‘Corded Ware’, which the latest genetic research on ancient human remains happened in what is now south Ukraine, some five thousand years or so ago, indicates that this population was a hybrid type population being, generally, descended from a group known to scientists as the ‘EHG’, eastern hunter gatherers, on the paternal side and the CHG of Caucasus hunter gatherers in the maternal side.

    Agree. But you left out the fact that the paternal ancestry of the ‘EHG’ came from the group called ‘ANE’, ancestral north eurasians, who were indigenous to Siberia where the haplogroup R originated from. As these Siberians moved Westward, they mated with the indigenous peoples of Eastern Europe and formed the eastern hunter gatherers, ‘EHG’, who later moved Southwards towards the Caucasus where they mated with the caucasus hunter gatherers, ‘CHG’, to form the Yamnaya nomadic pastoralists of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. Strictly speaking, the ‘EHG’ were hybrid Eurasians with 75% ‘ANE’ ancestry who mated with the ‘CHG’ to form the Yamnaya group with 50% ‘ANE’ ancestry. By the way, the ancient Siberians ‘ANE’ also moved Eastwards and mated with ancient East Asians when they crossed the Beringa land bridge to North America some 12,000 years ago. That’s why Native Americans share the same ‘ANE’ genes as Northern Europeans whose Siberian ‘ANE’ genes range from 20-25%, due to their Yamnaya ancestry being 40-50%.

    It must be stressed that both of these populations must be regarded as strictly ‘European’ in the sense that they were indigenous to the continent of Europe as presently defined.

    Disagree. The term ‘European’ was invented by the ancient Greeks and first appeared as ‘Europa’ in Homer’s Iliad, as follows:

    Europa is a figure from Greek mythology who later gave her name to the continent of Europe. In one popular version of her story Europa was a Phoenician princess who was abducted by Zeus and whisked off to Crete; King Minos, he of the labyrinth and Minotaur fame, would be one of the results of Zeus’ rape. The legend of Europa, and particularly the search for her by her three brothers, may well reflect the historical colonisation of the Mediterranean by the Phoenicians from 1200 to 800 BCE.

    What became ‘Europe’ was largely the cultural and political creation of the ancient Greeks, Romans and early Christians inhabiting the Southern European shores of the Mediterranean World. The only contribution of the so-called “Indo-Europeans” to European Civilization was their Indo-European languages and mythologies but European law, government, politics, philosophy, art, architecture, religion, literature, science, technology, commerce, industry, etc. — in other words — everything that makes ‘Europe’ European is Greco-Roman-Christian in origin from the Mediterranean World.

    From the Ukrainian Stredny Stog culture, the Corded Ware people migrated into central Europe, where they mixed with western hunter gatherer and early farmer populations already there. From this mixture came the Indo European, the Sintashta people, who in a back migration became the ‘Aryans’ of Iran and India.

    Agree. The ‘Corded Ware’ people who were descendants of the Yamnaya pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe, moved into central and northern Europe and mixed with western hunter gatherer ‘WHG’ and early european farmers ‘EFF’ already living there, as you’ve correctly stated above. By around 2,000BCE, their descendants, the Sintashta people, later came to occupy the Eurasian Steppe but these nomadic pastoralists spoke “proto-Indo-Iranian” which had evolved out of the early Indo-European languages over 1,000 years. During that time, the early Indo-European languages had already evolved into proto-European languages, namely: proto-German, proto-Celtic, proto-Greek, proto-Baltic, prot0-Slavic, etc. while the proto-Indo-Iranian-speaking Sintashta people migrated Southwards into the BMAC region of Central Asia, by the Oxus River, where they intermixed with the native Iranian farmers living there, to form the Indo-Iranian-speaking tribes of Persians, Medes, Bactrians, Sogdians, etc. Two Indo-Iranian-speaking tribes, Persians and Medes, later came out of Central Asia and migrated Westwards into Iran where they again intermixed with the Elamites living there. Over time, the Indo-Iranian language (which had evolved out of the Indo-European languages) split into Western Iranian (spoken in Iran) and Eastern Iranian (spoken in Central Asia). The Western Iranians from Iran later invaded and colonized the Eastern Iranians in Central Asia to form the Achaemenid Empire which later fought against the remaining nomads in the Eurasian Steppe such as the Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans, etc.

    My point is that the Yamnaya and Sintashta are two different groups of people separated by space and time, even though they share the same ancestry, as they spread their two different languages — proto-Indo-European vs proto-Indo-Iranian — after migrating into Europe and later into Asia, respectively. The Yamnaya people (who spoke proto-Indo-European) migrated Westwards out of the Pontic-Caspian Steppe and became ‘European’ by intermixing with the native Europeans (‘WHG’ and ‘EFF’) living in Europe while their descendants the Sintashta people (who spoke proto-Indo-Iranian) later migrated Southwards out of the Eurasian Steppe and became ‘Asian’ by intermixing with the native Asians (neolithic Iranian farmers) living in Central Asia, 1,000 years after their Yamnaya ancestors had left the Pontic-Caspian Steppe.

    The Sintashta people were, more or less *genetically identical* to living central and eastern Europeans. A very significant and pertinent discovery of modern science, but of course is suppressed by the anti white PC mob.

    Sorry but you’re wrong. Central Asians such as the Pashtuns, Yagnobis, Tajiks, etc. are the closest genetically to the Sintashta people, having descended from the Indo-Iranians in Central Asia. Does that imply that they are the founding people of Europe, genetically? Northern, Central and Eastern Europeans have around 40-50% Indo-European ancestry, lower than those Central Asians who have around 70-80% Indo-European ancestry. The Southern Europeans who are the founding people of Europe — culturally and politically — have only 10-25% Indo-European ancestry, even less than South Asians who have between 20-30% Indo-European ancestry. Are the ancient Southern Europeans such as the Minoans, Mycenaeans, Sardinians, Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, Iberians, etc. less ‘European’ because they have less Indo-European ancestry than the ancient Indo-Iranians and Indo-Aryans in Central and South Asia, respectively?

    The confusion comes from the term ‘Indo-European’ which refers to a linguistic family of related but different languages. For example, Old Persian which belongs to the ‘West Iranian’ sub-branch of the ‘Indo-Iranian’ branch of the ‘Indo-European’ family of languages was spoken by ancient Iranians living in Iran during the Achaemenid Empire. Just because Old Persian is ‘Indo-European’ by linguistic affiliation does not imply that the ancient Iranians who spoke Old Persian were ‘Indo-Europeans’ genetically. The ancient Iranians have the least ‘Indo-European’ genes — around 10-20% — because the ‘Indo-Europeans’ from the Eurasian Steppe intermixed upon contact with the Central Asians in the BMAC region by the Oxus river from whence the Persians and Medes migrated to Iran where they intermixed with the Elamites as well as the Babylonians and Assyrians who had zero ‘Indo-European’ inputs whatsoever. The people who were still living in the Eurasian Steppe such as the Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans, etc. were genetically similar to their Sintashta ancestors but the Western Iranians from Iran who later conquered the Eastern Iranians in Central Asia to form the Achaemenid Empire fought the Sarmatians, Scythians, Alans, etc. to keep them out of their Empire, iranshahr or Greater Iran, with the term “Iran” meaning the “Land of the Aryans”.

    During this time, the Corded Ware Culture had evolved into the Battle-Axe and Boat-Axe Cultures of Scandinavia which became part of the Nordic Bronze Age while the Greek city-states arose out of the Minoan and Mycenaean Civilizations in the Southern Europe shores of the ancient Mediterranean World. The Battle-Axe Culture of Nordic Scandinavia later spread to the Germanic and Balto-Slavic populations of Northern, Central and Eastern Europe while the Hellenistic Culture of the Greek city-states spread to the Roman Republic as well as to the Macedonian Empire of Alexander the Great. These ancient Europeans spoke various Indo-European languages which had evolved out of the early proto-Indo-European language of the Yamnaya nomadic pastoralists who had migrated into, settled in and intermixed with the native populations of Europe.

    In summary, all these ancient Asians and Europeans were different from each other — culturally and politically — and separated by both space and time, despite their shared genetics with and linguistic affiliation to the so-called “Indo-Europeans” from the Eurasian Steppe. The confusion comes from the use of the term “Indo-European” which somehow implies that these nomadic pastoralists from the Eurasian Steppe became the founding peoples of Europe as well as Central Asia and North India after migrating to those places. The fact of the matter is that they intermixed with the native populations of Europe, Central Asia and North India to become Europeans, Central Asians and North Indians, respectively, whose descendants had absolutely nothing to do with each other, contrary to popular misconceptions promoted by late 19th-early 20th century Western historiography.

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  208. @coolhand850

    DO you really live in a Hollywood movie enhanced reality or are you just plain stupid idiot and pathetic at the same time really poor little chap you really need some red pill to give you cognitive reality insight because you just made me realize there are more dumber people in the US than the average libtards Trmphysts you just made me laugh out loud

  209. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Obvious pure nonsense.

    A wheel without a vehicle is just a pure nonsense, rather like claiming the invention of the ‘wing’ before the invention of the aeroplane.

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  210. Anonymous[164] • Disclaimer says:
    @a_german

    Sorry, mate, but only a *FOOL* a damned fucking stupid, worthless, useless IQ 50 fool would think that replacing ethnic Germans with Pakistanis, Arabs, black Africans etc etc because they are the ‘young new Germans’ is a an acceptable ‘policy’.

    • Replies: @a_german
  211. Levtraro says:
    @hrc77

    I support Russia and wish them the best , but …

    When I read the above, at the start of your contribution, I know you are not sincere, so I don’t read the rest. You need to attend the webinar, didn’t you get the invitation?.

  212. Cutler says:

    Of course Russia is European the Russians are a European People who conquered Siberia then settled it via demographic expansions, And when the US/Globohomo agenda fails and it will the EU in whatever form it remains will seek amicable terms with Russia.

    Unless you live under a rock there is a seismic change underway amongst Western publics away from Globohomo towards sovereignty/ Nationalist Populism which is just starting, This movement is only getting stronger with time.

    Also re a couple comments here Europeans are genetically homogeneous ie closely related inspite of our increasingly pointless infighting.

    And as for people claiming outlandish origin theories for any given nation these comments are incorrect so irrelevant.

    As usual excellent article and Lavrov is on another level.

  213. Levtraro says:
    @FB

    Thanks again, this time for the reference to Anthony’s book. Right to the top of my to-read books. Your style need polishing (too much aggressive language) but you balance it well with a plethora of interesting info.

  214. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    For whatever reason you’re missing the point. Regardless of whether the Mesopotamians created a circular object first or it was done other predecessors we do not or most likely will never know of, it is the application of a circle as a wheel, not, e.g., as a mill stone that makes the difference and enables transportation. Your reasoning is akin to saying the Egyptians or even the Greeks invented/discovered electricity, when they seemingly, albeit without clear proof, stumbled upon electric effects that they had no clear understanding of; and therefore the Italian Volta was not the inventor consistent electric current he also understood after, various other westerners did similar experiments to lay the foundations of understanding electricity itself.

    Let’s also be aware of the fact that all the regions of past glory and human ingenuity that some people want to uphold over the real achievements of Europeans, all have in common that once islam takes over the society clearly regresses, never to recover again.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  215. Anon[410] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    It’s quite peculiar how you claim a sense of authority on the matter even after you contradict yourself. Regardless of your intent which, very well may be motivated by a general desire die intentional misdirection and subversion, you come across as pretentious and quite convinced of things that are only relatively recently known and could easily soon be overturned by further genetic research or even archeological findings. But ask yourself one thing, regardless of your intentions or motivations; would any genetic testing, let alone a narrative it provides be permitted to see the day of light that, e.g., proved that the European andSS African peoples are quite a different subspecies from each other as well as all other major subspecies, aka, races when it applies to humans? I think not, especially not if it proved a clear genetic disparity as it came to some critical characteristic.

    Personally, I think it would be and is a mistake to suppress such findings, as they are being suppressed, because it is better to simply learn to live with differences without being cruel about them, but as long as the originators of supremacism control us all, there will always be a cruel hierarchy, created and dominated by a tribe of pure psychopaths that have tormented humanity for eons.

  216. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    No.

    You’re the one who has got it wrong.

    If you are able to understand the complexities of computational genetics, autosomal samples etc etc, then you will find that DNA extracted from the ancient bones of those buried in the Sintashta complex of central Asia, are, as I unequivocally state here with absolutely no fear of contradiction or defeat, more or less identical to *living* eastern and central Europeans.

    As a side note present day Afghans, Iranians, Pakistanis, Indians and the rest aren’t particularly closely genetically related to the Sintashta people. Their blood is too far diluted with that of the dark skinned natives whom the invading Aryans encountered there.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @antibeast
  217. Steven80 says:
    @Poluter

    I was talking about the hisctorical roots of the russian statehood and the spiritual base of the russian worldview. Germans are blonde, and the kalash in afganistan are blonde – but they have different culture. That was my point – not that they are not white. Perhaps you are american – you see whites as a monolite block, because of the vastlly different people living together in the US and from this point of view it makes sense, but whites may differ a lot, and that was what I was trying to tell.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  218. Steven80 says:
    @FB

    I think you didn’t read what I wrote. Russians are of course white and have been around for a while. What I said, is the beginnings of the contemporay russian state, and its spiritual development, are very different from the west, and this cannot be seen on the outside. I was not talking about appearances, but culture.

    The kievan rus and the novgorod republic were very close to their norhern european nieghbours, and were trading and mixing with them , and their worldviews and material culture is quite similar – clothes, woodcutting, pantehon of similar gods etc.

    This all was destroyed by Subutai and Batu in the 13-th century, and most of the destroyed areas (today’s Ukraine and Southern Russia) was called Dash-I-Kipchak, a vast space with no settlements where cattle grazed for more than 350 years because there was no one left to rebuild it. Then some Muscovite rulers started copying government from their rulers of the Golden Horde (the conqueror) and eventually became stronger. There so much evidence and historical record on how tartar nobility became russian, that it is pointless to even start – you can easily google it. The territory of the golden horde became muscovite tsardom and the capital moved from sarai to moscow, but all else – taxation, trade, military, remained different. seе how the russian court looked before peter the great, if you don’t beleive – there are plenty of paintings from that age, and the turkish court from that age looks more european.

    The thing is, russian history (and indded the name russia – it was called mucovite by the 18-th century) was created by a state committee in the 18-hundreds. There was a long, deliberate effort to bring the muscovite tsardom into europe starting with peter the great.

    Good luck in your genetic investigatons, but again, that is not what I was talking about. russians are of course white (the majority) and share common things with other europeans, but they are not culturally part of the west, the same west that now degenerates. That doens’t mean I think russia is bad .

    • Replies: @FB
  219. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    Germans are blonde

    Can you tell where this (parallel) Germany is located😉.

  220. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @Anonymous

    Sorry, mate, but only a *FOOL* a damned fucking stupid, worthless, useless IQ 50 fool would think that replacing ethnic Germans with Pakistanis, Arabs, black Africans etc etc because they are the ‘young new Germans’ is a an acceptable ‘policy’.

    Please don’t blame me reporting some official policy over here.

    Maybe you don’t know the development of it and the why. Germany is one of the most successful melting pots and has a lot experience how to integrate foreigners. In a glance the second generations performs well if they grow in the education system (which is free btw.).

    Further, maybe it is a good idea to base a discussion on facts, not on emotion. Up to you.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  221. Anonymous[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @a_german

    If you really, seriously think that Arabs, Pakistanis, black Africans etc etc will be ‘good’ for Germany or ‘Germany will integrate them’, the best thing I can say is that you are profoundly mistaken and the appallingly bad histories of comparable white states which have mixed with such peoples – one only needs a passing glance at the BLM hysteria – bears me out.

    Not that I give a shit. Germany is run by Germans and is nothing to do with me, but I am right and you are wrong. End of. The future will vindicate me. Of that I have not the slightest shadow of doubt.

  222. Anonymous[142] • Disclaimer says:
    @a_german

    A few years before Germany got on the act, the Swedes thought it was ‘good’ to import Arabs, blacks, Pakistanis etc.
    Now look at them – the daily grenade and machine gun attacks in what used to be the safest place in the world, the contempt and racial attacks against ethnic Swedes etc.

    This is fact. Not emotion.

  223. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    If you really, seriously think that Arabs, Pakistanis, black Africans etc.

    It doesn’t matter what i think, i just want to give some facts. Currently i have 5 years experience with this new migrants in everyday live and see things different. But that is not a point i want to discuss here.

  224. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:

    This is fact. Not emotion.

    Undoubtly, but from my experience on the one side and News Reading on the other it is more safe to run every night through hordes of migrants over here than to make one step in an US City such as Detroit. This is hypothetical cause i will do both.

    In my hometown i have no problem to send you to places where you can get really adventures such your example above. Independent of migrants from whereever.

    So take the numbers, Germany and Sweden and compared with the US. These are facts too.

  225. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    A lot of rubbish from a total clown…

    Why don’t you provide some LINKS to credible sources for any of your nonsense…? [1,500 words and ZERO links]…

    And how about some actual quotes from those sources…?

    Readers here are supposed to trust you as some kind of ‘authority’…?…

    That’s not how it works…stop polluting this thread with your gibberish…you know zilch about the subject…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  226. FB says: • Website
    @Steven80

    …that is not what I was talking about.

    What were you yapping about, CLOWN…other than demonstrating your ability to pass wind on this discussion board…?

    You said this in your very first sentence…

    Russia is NOT Europe. Anyone who considers this either has no clue of history…blablabla…

    Then when I prove with FACTS that the Russian people are descendants of the FOUNDING people of Europe, you still have the cheek to continue throwing up a lot of bullshit here…

    What I said, is the beginnings of the contemporay russian state, and its spiritual development, are very different from the west…

    WRONG…the beginning of the Russian state is Kievan Rus in the 9’th century…

    The Mongol invasions came much later, in the 13’th century…your entire story about the purported influence of the Mongols and Tatars on the later Russian polity is FICTION…

    The Mongols had ZERO influence on Russia, either genetically, or politically, or militarily or civlizationally…the Golden Horde simply collected tribute from the Russian principalities after the fragmentation of Kievan Rus…they never settled there, nor mixed with Russians and kept their distance, only collecting their tax…

    In the first place, [the Mongols] never settled in the country, and they had little direct dealing with the inhabitants.

    In accordance with the admonitions of Genghis Khan to his children and grandchildren, they retained their pastoral mode of life, so that the subject peoples, agriculturists and dwellers in towns were not disturbed in their ordinary avocations. The Golden Horde Tartars instituted census, taxes and tributes on the conquered lands, which were usually collected by local princes and brought to Sarai.

    …the [Russian] people had to pay a fixed tribute. At first it was collected by Tatar tax-gatherers; by about 1259 it was regulated by a census of the population; and finally its collection was entrusted to the native princes, so the people were no longer brought into direct contact with the Tatar officials.

    –Mongol Invasion of Kievan Rus

    Btw, the Mongols also invaded Poland and Lithuania…not to mention German lands, Czechia, Austria, Hungary, Croatia, etc…

    For instance, the Battle of Legnica [German: Battle of Wahlstatt]…a decisive Mongol victory in 1241…

    Mostly the Mongols withdrew from central Europe after their victory [and looting], but Poland and Lithuania were repeatedly invaded and had to pay tribute…

    Europe in 1230…we see here how the topology of the Eurasian plain, the steppe north of the Black Sea and extending west toward the Pannonian Basin of Central Europe was a convenient land route for Mongol and Turkic invaders of that era…off the frame to the right, those flatlands continue to the west Central Asian plain, extending all the way to western China…

    This was the route that the Turko-Mongol invaders traversed for centuries in the medieval era…the Huns, Bulgars, Magyars, Khazars, Seljuk Turks, etc…

    BUT…thousands of years prior this Eurasian plain was also the route by which our own European forebears, which I talked about earlier, expanded over…from their base on that same Pontic Steppe north of the Black sea, conquering far and wide and establishing our DNA as the DOMINANT type across vast swathes of Eurasia…

    It was this expansion of our European forebears across the vast Eurasian landmass that was FAR more significant than the much later Turkic invasions of Europe…in fact, genetically, the ‘Turkic’ invaders of the so-called Asiatic ‘Mongols’ and ‘Tatars’ were in fact mostly speakers of Turkic languages, but genetically the descendants of our own European expansion from the time of the Corded Ware and Yamna peoples…

    It appears that Turkic quickly replaced the Scythian and other Iranian dialects all over Central Asia.

    Other migratory waves brought more Turkic speakers to Eastern and Central Europe, like the Khazars, the Avars, the Bulgars and the Turks (=> see 5000 years of migrations from the Eurasian steppes to Europe).

    All of them were in fact Central Asian nomads who had adopted Turkic language, but had little if any Mongolian blood.

    Turkic invasions therefore contributed more to the diffusion of Indo-European lineages (especially R1a1) than East Asian ones.

    –Turkic Speakers and R1a

    These surprising facts were not known until fairly recent advances in genetics and archeology…but it speaks to more of a kind of ‘homecoming’ of what we previously considered ‘Hun’, ‘Mongol’ and ‘Turkic’ invaders…these peoples were actually descended mostly from the conquering of our very own forebears thousands of years ago…

    This is borne out by the genetics of such European latecomers as the Hungarians, Bulgarians, Khazar Jews etc…who are all genetically Europeans for the most part, carrying the same R haplogroup as we do…

    Afghan Mujahid rebels, 1985

    This applies also to the Turks of Anatolia, who also arrived from the Asian steppes at around the same time as the previous groups…in fact, genetic testing shows that the centuries-long Ottoman dynasty belongs to the R1a lineage…specifically the ‘Jewish’ subclade, to which Bibi Netanyahu also belongs…

    Note the extent of the R1a haplogroup…from the Scottish Clans of Macdonald and Macdougall, to Nikola Tesla, to the King of the Netherlands, to Tom Hanks, to Jesse James, to King Bela of Hungary, to the Ottoman Sultans…and almost certainly to the Afghan warriors of the present day, shown above…

    This is the genetic material we carry [you may be a different story]…It speaks to the VAST reach of our forebears, whose history, beginning with the Yamna and Corded Ware people is now well known archeologically and genetically…

    Your entire narrative is illiterate garbage, backed up of course by NOTHING…

  227. @a_german

    Hey Amigo A-German (or whatever), check whom it is you want to respond to. I never said what you have quoted. How about checking twice before you post! How about that? Can you do that?

  228. @Rahan

    Yes, indeed, they want to be left alone, to gabble up Tibet, Parts of India, The south China sea, the Spratly Islands, etc, etc..

    • Replies: @Rahan
  229. @Anon

    Oh I get it perfectly. It’s white racial pride oozing out of all of you. Fact is – there is no written record and no one knows how wheels got from pottery wheels to being used for transport on wagons. I get it… Like a dog with a bone that doesn’t want to let it go.

    And comparing inventions for which we have written records to ones we don’t have and don’t know for sure how they took place is what you all don’t get. I know – white pride. That’s fine. But don’t be surprised if the story gets filled in and we hear something different down the line about how old some artifact is.

  230. @Anonymous

    A wheel has to have a vehicle? So you don’t know what a flywheel is either?
    Except we know how aeroplanes came about because we have written records. I know the pure white race is desperate to claim the invention of the wheel… But the FACT is – we only know where the oldest types of different wheels were found SO FAR. We know the wings of a bird are the inspiration for a planes wings. We don’t know how the wheel came about. That is a fact. We don’t know what the wagon wheels were inspired by. That is a fact. We don’t even know what the pottery wheel was inspired by. All we know is which we found that was older records of. If it makes you all feel better – Carry on. I’m sure if the oldest one so far was found in Mali or Sri Lanka with no record of how it got there – your reaction would be different. No problem.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Anonymous
  231. a_german [AKA "a__german__"] says:

    Hey Amigo A-German (or whatever), check whom it is you want to respond to. I never said what you have quoted. How about checking twice before you post! How about that? Can you do that?

    Sorry, will blame my smartphone

    • Thanks: Robert Konrad
  232. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    We don’t know how the wheel came about. That is a fact.

    …Says the complete idiot…💩

    Neither woven wool textiles nor wheeled vehicles existed before about 4000 BCE. It is possible that neither existed before about 3500 BCE.

    Yet Proto-Indo-European speakers spoke regularly about wheeled vehicles and some sort of wool textile. This vocabulary suggests that Proto-Indo-European was spoken after 4000–3500 BCE.

    Chapter Four: Language and Time 2: Wool, Wheels and Proto-Indo-European

    You’re ignorance is astonishing…once again, without actually possessing ANY kind of actual knowledge, you have no problem contradicting the reams of actual evidence I have already presented here…

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  233. antibeast says:
    @FB

    Sorry but if you don’t know what I am talking about, that’s not my problema but your problema.

  234. Anonymous[476] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    There’s no point even trying to attempt to reason with fanatics such as you.
    The wisest course of action is just to politely nod and hope the subject changes, otherwise the rants get rather tiresome and induce headaches.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  235. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    If you are able to understand the complexities of computational genetics, autosomal samples etc etc, then you will find that DNA extracted from the ancient bones of those buried in the Sintashta complex of central Asia, are, as I unequivocally state here with absolutely no fear of contradiction or defeat, more or less identical to *living* eastern and central Europeans.

    I don’t know about that. Could you provide the autosomal DNA or PCA studies to prove your thesis that the Sintashta people are the ancestors of today’s central and eastern Europeans?

    Anyway, here’s a map of the Y-DNA haplogroups showing the paternal ancestry of modern Europeans:

    As a side note present day Afghans, Iranians, Pakistanis, Indians and the rest aren’t particularly closely genetically related to the Sintashta people. Their blood is too far diluted with that of the dark skinned natives whom the invading Aryans encountered there.

    Agree. The Sintasha people who migrated to Central Asia intermixed with the native Asians living there. Their mixed-race descendants called themselves “Aryans” which was adopted by the Iranians after conquering the “Aryans” of Central Asia.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  236. Anonymous[262] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Look, bollock brain, I’m talking about autosomal DNA.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  237. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes, I know. The Y-DNA studies (pictured in the map in my last post) show that there is a preponderance of haplogroup R1a which is the genetic marker for Balto-Slavs and Indo-Iranians amongst modern central and eastern Europeans followed by a significant minority of haplogroup N which is the genetic marker for Uralic and Altaic-speaking populations, amongst modern Russians, Finns and Baltic peoples. The haplogroup N originated in East Asia, as explained by this research paper:

    https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1504/1504.06463.pdf

    I have yet to see autosomal DNA studies which show that the Sintashta people are genetically similar to modern central and eastern Europeans. It’s hard for me to believe your claim because the Andronovo horizon which expanded from the Sintashta, later encountered East Asians, which might explain the significant East Asian (20-30%) ancestry of later nomads such as the Scythians, Alans, etc., who eventually settled in central and eastern Europe, after the arrival of East Asian warrior tribes on horseback who pushed them out of the grasslands of the Eurasian Steppe.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  238. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Just look at the ‘genetic clustering maps’ on Davidski’s blog.
    – Basically the Sintashta folk are just generic east/northern Europeans in terms of their autosomal profiles and affinities.

    Davidski knows an awful lot about genetic science and genealogy. Far more than you or I do.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  239. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    Davidski’s blog is not original research unlike the following study which shows the gene flow from Siberia into Eastern Europe over the last 10,000 years:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5204334/

    Siberian admixtures into Northeastern Europe likely began prior to 6.6 kya, coinciding with the expansion of Y-Chromosome haplogroup N1c1 among Siberians and Northeastern Europeans (7.1–4.9 kya). Since haplogroup N likely originated in Asia (Shi et al. 2013) and currently achieves its highest frequency among Siberian populations, its presence among Eastern Europeans likely reflects ancient gene flows from Siberia into Northeastern Europe.

    There you have it. Eastern Europeans carry the haplogroup N which came from Siberia but originated in East Asia and serves as the genetic marker for Uralic and Altaic languages.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @FB
  240. Rahan says:
    @in the middle

    Yes, indeed, they want to be left alone, to gabble up Tibet, Parts of India, The south China sea, the Spratly Islands, etc, etc..

    Thinking that sarcasm is an argument, is a tell that someone is still ensnared in GloboHomo thinking patterns. Shake it off.

    Moving on: generic border disputes with the neighbors is what everyone has had with everyone else, always. Which is why the EU matters. Not “muh economy”, not “muh freedoms”. It’s the peace.

    Comparing generic border disputes on one hand with aggressive intercontinental planetary conquest on the other, is typical GloboHomo blurring of different categories. Other examples include:
    1) Pretending that Europeans discussing Jewish influence and Arabs stabbing Jews is the same thing when “measuring levels of antisemitism”
    2) Pretending that a drunken kiss at a party and a gang rape on the street by immigrants is the same thing when “measuring levels of sexual violence”
    3) Pretending that generic xenophobia universal to all tribes since forever, and “scientific racism” that allows one to pretend others aren’t really human and can and should be exterminated, are also the same thing, when “measuring levels of racism” for example.
    4) Pretending that being against tranny propaganda in kindergartens and schools and the castration of boys for their own good, is the same as “let’s kill gays on sight”, when “measuring levels of homophobia”.

    This is how GloboHomo operate. They try to dismantle and blur all categories, so that then they can become the arbiters of reality. Don’t help them with that. Different types of actions and motivations belong to different categories. Otherwise we end up with a world with no facts and no hard data and no stable ways of measuring things, and only “Kabbalistic wise groups” deciding what is real and what is now real at any given point, like in the ancient Jewish Old Testament days.

    To not let this happen, say “no” to the Jewish Old Testament of blurring everything together, and say “yes” to the ancient Helelnistic approach of categories and logic.

    So yeah, no. Border disputes and fighting internal separatism isn’t equal to aggressively expansive planetary empires.

  241. Anonymous[128] • Disclaimer says:
    @antibeast

    Yawn.

    I give up.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  242. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    No, don’t give up. Try harder.

  243. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    There you have it. Eastern Europeans carry the haplogroup N which came from Siberia but originated in East Asia and serves as the genetic marker for Uralic and Altaic languages.

    There you have it…the clown ‘antibeast’ is completely RETARDED…

    N Haplogroup…?

    Haplogroup N has a wide geographic distribution throughout northern Eurasia, and it also has been observed occasionally in other areas, including Central Asia and the Balkans.

    It has been found with greatest frequency among indigenous peoples of Russia, including Finnic peoples, Mari, Udmurt, Komi, Khanty, Mansi, Nenets, Nganasans, Turkic peoples (Yakuts, Dolgans, Khakasses, Tuvans, Tatars, Chuvashes, etc.), Buryats, Tungusic peoples (Evenks, Evens, Negidals, Nanais, etc.), Yukaghirs, Luoravetlans (Chukchis, Koryaks), and Siberian Eskimos, but certain subclades are very common in Finland, Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, and other subclades are found at low frequency in China (Yi, Naxi, Lhoba, Han Chinese, etc.).[39]

    Especially in ethnic Finnic peoples and Baltic-speaking peoples of northern Europe, the Ob-Ugric-speaking and Northern Samoyed peoples of western Siberia, and Turkic-speaking peoples of Russia (especially Yakuts (McDonald 2005), but also Altaians, Shors, Khakas, Chuvashes, Tatars, and Bashkirs). Nearly all members of haplogroup N among these populations of northern Eurasia belong to subclades of either haplogroup N-Tat or haplogroup N-P43.

    N Haplogroup, Distribution

    Those people are NOT ethnic Russians…they are entirely separate ethnic groups that have nothing to do with ethnic Russians, neither genetically, nor liguistically, nor culturally…

    The map you posted earlier shows this clearly…

    I have highlighted in yellow the regions where the N marker is predominant…that includes Finland, the Baltic countries and northern Scandinavia…

    Russia overall has a fairly low amount of this marker, due to its presence in non-ethnic Russian populations…

    Genetic studies show that modern Russians are closest to Belarusians, Poles, Balts and Ukrainians.[1]

    The top four Y-DNA haplogroups among the sample of 1228 Russians are:[1]

    Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA) – 19.8% to 62.7%, with an average of 46.7%

    Haplogroup I (Y-DNA) – 0% to 26.8%, with an average of 17.6% (All regions), and 23.5% (Central and South Russia)

    Haplogroup N (Y-DNA) – 5.4% to 53.7%, with averages of 21.6% (All regions), and 10% (Central and South Russia)

    Haplogroup R1b (Y-DNA) – 0% to 14%, with an average of 5.8%

    Genetic Studies of Russians

    NOTE…the AVERAGE for all of Russia is nearly 50 percent R1a…

    Haplogroup I is the original ‘native’ European DNA before the Aryan invasions and migration over 5,000 years ago…the Aryans are the people carrying the R1a [Slavic] and R1b [Celtic] genes, and they took over ‘old Europe’ as it is called in the Kurgan hypothesis, which consisted mostly of I haplogroup…

    That’s why the R1a and R1b is the PREDOMINANT DNA throughout Europe, by far…and with the ‘aboriginal’ European DNA I also still widely present…

    Haplogroup I (M170) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ, which itself is a derivative of the haplogroup IJK. Subclades I1 and I2 can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and Southeastern European countries.

    Haplogroup I appears to have arisen in Europe, so far being found in Palaeolithic sites throughout Europe (Fu 2016), but not outside it.

    So the Russians are more than 75 percent R and I haplogroup, combined…[Aryan and old European]…the N population is distinctly non-Russian…

    You are really quite the idiot, spraying your bullshit here without actually KNOWING anything…

    You point to some random technical paper on archeogenetics…Do you have any PROFESSIONAL qualifications in this field…?

    Of course not…never mind that these kinds of professional journals are intended for PROFESSIONALS in the field…not some random, clueless morons scribbling away on UNZ comments section…

    Once again I remind you of when you recently decided to contradict me about very technical matters relating to aviation and aeronautics…a subject you know absolutely NOTHING about, and which is my PROFESSIONAL domain…

    Are you some type of Taiwanese or other non-mainland Chinese twit…?

    That’s my guess, like the other twit ‘showmethereal’…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  244. @A123

    What on earth are you blabbering about? I compared life in Iran to that of Saudi Arabia. Do you have the slightest clue of the population of Jewish and Christian citizens in Saudi Arabia??? Or most of the Muslim world for that matter. The irony is that outside of Iran they were safest in Iraq under Saddam (well Christians anyway) and Syria under Assad. NPR you give me as a source???

    Comparing the situation in Iran to that of the Palestinians in Israel doesnt pass the lowest intellectual rung on the ladder either. Jews have lived in Persia since the days of Darius. They lived in Iran ender every type of Muslim government later as well. There is no “homeland dispute”. Not even slightly comparable except the zame geographic region.

    • Replies: @A123
  245. @FB

    Dispute the sources i gave you. Its simple.
    Yes only FB has knowledge of anything. Interestingly I get along with quite a few Russians. They are all pretty affable people. It must be your overwhelming intellect that makes you so ornery and unbearable. I guess the Russians I know arent as brilliant as you.

  246. @Anonymous

    I am not the fanatic. It is the other way around. We do NOT know how the first wagon wheel came about. we only know where the oldest was found. we do not knoW how the first wheel type devices were developed – we only know the oldest were found what we know as Iraq. If you know anything about archaeology you know narratives change the more discoveries are found. Without written records we do not know the full story. Those are facts – not fanatical.

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  247. A123 says:
    @Showmethereal

    Let me restate the proven facts:

    — 1979 — Over 100,000 Jews lived in Iran
    — 2019 — Less than 10,000 Jews live in Iran

    Try to answer this question directly:

    If an Iranian utopia exists, as you claim it does, “Why did the Jewish population fall by over 90%? “

    Does it not seem much more likely that the 90%+ decline is the result of the Iranian theocracy’s hostility towards non-Muslim infidels?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @annamaria
    , @Showmethereal
  248. @Showmethereal

    We also know the cart wheel was tough to invent. It didn’t turn up so early in other places. The Americas, Sub Saharan Africa. Not sure about when it turned up in East Asia. Chinese claim independent invention. 2600 BC. Indian archaeologists claim it was invented seperately by the Indus Valley civilization around 2600 BC. It’s invention is part of the Out of india claim with which I have a hard time.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  249. annamaria says:
    @A123

    There is something among the Middle Eastern cousins — Jews and Arabs — that seem to be embedded into millennia-old cultural norms: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/

    Tel Aviv: Julius Karow is a wanted man and is considered dangerous. Accused of sexually assaulting a 9-year-old girl in Oregon in 2000, he fled to Israel before authorities in the U.S. could apprehend him or figure out where he went. Karow has been running from U.S. law enforcement ever since.

    Brooklyn, NY:

    “Boys used to come and tell me that they go the ritual bath—they’re being sodomized,” the rabbi said. “Girls used to tell me that their father sleeps with them.” Faced with mounting reports of child molestation, Rosenberg founded a free hotline to inform his community about sexual predators, as well as how to get the police involved. Other rabbis denounced the open condemnation of community pedophiles, labeling Rosenberg an “informer” against the Jewish people.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/rebel-rabbi-exposes-child-molesters
    “Names of 46 convicted child sex offenders who terrorized the Orthodox Jewish community from within are released by Brooklyn DA” https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2373238/Nechemya-Weberman-46-named-convicted-child-sex-offenders-terrorized-Orthodox-Jewish-community-released-Brooklyn-DA.html

  250. annamaria says:
    @A123

    The owners of Netflix:

    Three of the largest shareholder of Netflix are the CEO/Co-founder Reed Hasting, Jay Hoag who is one of the founders of Technology Crossover Ventures and a board member of Netflix, and former Chief Product Officer Neil Hunt..

    What made these ‘gentlemen” support sexual child abuse (Cuties) and glorify moderate terrorists (White Helmets) is a mystery.

    • Replies: @A123
  251. annamaria says:
    @A123

    The poor, poor, oh so poor Jews in Iran (guess they could not avoid suffering under the many sanctions imposed on Iran by the ZUSA). … The Palestinians, on the other hand, are so incredibly happy by being occupied, murdered, tortured, deprived of property, refused education, robbed and slandered, and more by Israeli Jews.
    As your dwarf Ben Gurion quipped, “Most Jews are thieves.”
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/ben-gurions-plan-d-massacres-of-palestinians-were-indispensable-to-the-creation-of-the-state-of-israel/5642573
    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-in-the-words-of-israel-s-founder-most-jews-are-thieves-1.9206301

  252. antibeast says:
    @FB

    Please read the research paper that I posted in my last post so you would understand what I am talking about.

    You keep mouthing the same old misconception about the Yamnaya pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe being “indigenous” to Europe. Their ancestors — ancient north eurasians ‘ANE’ — are from Siberia who moved Westward into Europe, the same people who also moved Eastward and crossed the Beringa land bridge to become the ancestors of Native Americans. Both the Yamnaya pastoralists and Native Americans share a common ‘ANE’ ancestry from Siberia. The only people who can claim to be indigenous to Europe are the homo sapiens called western hunter gatherers, ‘WSG’, who started inhabiting Europe from about 40-50kya, followed by early european farmers, ‘EFF’, who descended from Anatolian farmers around 8-10kya. The last migrants to Europe are the Yamnaya pastoralists who arrived sometime around 4-5kya.

    Your claim that the Yamnaya pastoralists are the founding people of Europe, genetically, is incorrect because there were native Europeans already living in Europe by the time the Yamnaya nomads arrived and intermixed with native Europeans.

    Likewise, your claim that the Yamnaya pastoralists are the founding people of Europe, linguistically, is also incorrect because there are extant European languages such as Basque, Maltese, Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian, etc. which don’t belong to the Indo-European family of languages. Besides, the Minoans who created the earliest European writing system — Minoan Linear A — as well as the earliest European Civilization on the island of Crete had nothing to do with the Yamnaya pastoralists whose descendants arrived much later in the Southern European shores of the Mediterranean World.

    By the way, the term “Indo-European” is a linguistic term referring to the Indo-European family of related but different languages which includes not only European languages such as German, Italian, etc. but also non-European languages such as Persian, Sanskrit, etc. The term “Indo-European” is not a genetic term which is often used by confused people like you to denote race/ethnicity, implying that any people who speaks an Indo-European language must belong to the same race/ethnicity as the Yamnaya pastoralists who spoke the original Proto-Indo-European ‘PIE’ language. Examples: Asians such as Iranians who speak Persian and Europeans such as Sardinians who speak Sardinian are not necessarily of the same race/ethnicity as the Yamnaya pastoralists who spoke the PIE language as proven by the fact that Iranians and Sardinians have the LOWEST ancestry of Yamnaya genes from the Eurasian Steppe, at around 10-20%. The reason is that language spread can occur not only by demic diffusion which implies gene flow by also by cultural diffusion, ergo, the fact that I speak English does not imply that I am an Englishman. All I needed to do was to learn English as my second language.

    • Replies: @FB
  253. Anonymous[385] • Disclaimer says:

    Just another subcon who can’t accept the *scientific fact* that the Sintashta people – the people who basically created everything ‘Indian’ were European people with with white faces, and did not have black faces like he has.

    Just a ceaseless mass of verbiage to hide his own self loathing – and typical Indian deceit and duplicity.

  254. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    You keep mouthing the same old misconception about the Yamnaya pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe being “indigenous” to Europe.

    Are you MENTALLY ILL…?

    NOBODY has ever said that the Aryan people of the Yamna and Corded Ware were ever INDIGENOUS to Europe…

    I have explained here on NUMEROUS occasions that the INDIGENOUS people of Europe belong to the I haplogroup…the ‘OLD’ Europe…and that the R1a and R1b Aryans of Yamna and Corded Ware [and later Sintashta] were invaders of Europe…

    Look, I thought at first you are simply an idiot, which of course you are…but now it is clear that you have no ability to distinguish between fantasy and reality, which is the defining trait of schizophrenia and other serious mental illnesses…

    You need serious medical help…go see a doctor and get a mental health evaluation, instead of squatting here on this discussion forum, making nothing but incomprehensible noises…

    • Replies: @antibeast
  255. A123 says:
    @annamaria

    What made these ‘gentlemen” support sexual child abuse (Cuties) and glorify moderate terrorists (White Helmets) is a mystery.

    There is no mystery. They are either Muslims, or Dhimmi slaves dominated by Islam.

    Child Molestation is a core Muslim value, which is why your George IslamoSoros supports it.

    The White Helmets are “Paliwood North”. The same techniques that non-Palestinian Muslims use to create propaganda against Palestinian Jews was moved North a few miles and deployed against Assad. Fortunately Paliwood is inept. They lack credibility and failed in their attempts to spread disinformation about Assad & Netanyahu.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @annamaria
  256. antibeast says:
    @Von Rho

    Some non-Western countries value culture more than race. Japan, in turn, gives importance to both race and culture.

    Agree. I would add that some Western countries particularly in Northern Europe identify more with race than culture and tend to view their nationality in terms of their ethnic or tribal identity. This partly explains the manic obsession that Northern Europeans have for their racial origins especially during the late 19th/early 20th centuries when racial science came into vogue which sought to explain away racial differences amongst human populations, as proven by the overdetermined historiography of “Indo-European” studies. No such phenomenon exists in China, where the Chinese hardly talk about race when referring to their nation. The opposite is true in Japan and Korea where national identity is defined in terms of their ethnic or tribal identity, as is the case in Northern Europe.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  257. @A123

    That was not the origin of the discourse. For one thing you are bringing up the numbers simce 1979…? That is not proper analysis. You fail to note that u der both a democratic government and under the Shah – an equal amount left in the 30 years prior. Why? Israel got independence. Your attempt to use migration as evidence of persecution by the mullahs since 1979 falls on its face right there.
    Again – show me another middle eastern country (aside from Israel itself) where Jews are as comfortable there as they are in Iran – TODAY! Tell me how it is for them in Saudi Arabia. You cannot do that.
    Then do the same exercise for Christians.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @A123
  258. A123 says:
    @Showmethereal

    Your attempt to evade the TRUTH is obvious and unsuccesful.

    If Iran was the “Jew-topia” that you proclaim, Why did the Jewish population drop by 90%+?

    A population drop with this size and speed has only one explanation. Your war criminal Mullahs & Ayatollah’s successfully cleansed 90%+ of they Jewish population of Iran.

    Deflecting blame with irrelevant comparisons to Saudi Arabia gains you nothing. The first step towards absolution is admitting what your Shia religious theocracy has done.

    PEACE 😇

    • Troll: Showmethereal
  259. antibeast says:
    @FB

    The reason why I posted the Y-DNA haplogroup map was to disprove the notion that European Y-DNA genes come only from the PIE-speaking nomads from the Pontic-Caspian Steppe. Y-DNA haplogroups indicate paternal ancestry while mtDNA haplogroups indicate maternal ancestry. In and of themselves, they don’t describe the genetic composition of human DNA. For that, you need autosomal DNA or PCA studies.

    This is my last reply to you on this topic as you obviously don’t know what you’re talking about.

    • Replies: @FB
  260. A123 says:
    @Showmethereal

    ShowMeTheCoward,

    It is good to know that you personally run away and hide in the face of objective facts.

    Your refusal to answer a simple question is an open admission that you are unable to do so.

    I Accept Your Surrender

    PEACE 😇

  261. annamaria says:
    @A123

    Thanks for suggesting the right ideas: “Cui bono from the situation in France” https://thesaker.is/cui-bono-from-the-situation-in-france/

    Anybody who knows anything about the political realities in France will immediately know in whose interests this all [terrorist acts] is and who is behind that: the Zionist power structure in France (CRIF, UEJF, etc. and the Israelis). They have total control over Macron and over the entire political class, very much including Marine LePen.

    Who else could have concocted the “beautiful” term “Islamo-Fascisme“?!

    This is a new phenomenon, a new ideology, and a new strategy, which Alain Soral calls “National Zionism” … In its inception (from Ahad Ha’am, Theodor Herzl, Ze’ev Jabotinsky, etc) Zionism used to be a largely secular and nationalistic, then, later, after WWII, it became very leftist and still secular (Ben-Gurion, Shlomo Lavi, Golda Meir).

    Modern Zionism, however, is both rabidly racist and religious … It is also a ruthless and genocidal ideology that has created something truly original: God-mandated racism…

    The only way to really stop these “terrorist” attacks is to show their sponsors that we know who they are and we understand what they are doing.

    • LOL: A123
  262. annamaria says:
    @A123

    Hey, Israel-firster, how come that your lot has been moving en masse from the promised land of Israel to ‘very bad’ and ‘antisemitic ‘ Germany ? What is it about Israel that the secular (and intelligent) Jews abhor?

    Perhaps, this? “Tens of thousands of pedophiles operate in Israel every year:” https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393

    Or this? “Implicit Racism in Israeli Society” https://themedialine.org/mideast-mindset/implicit-racism-in-israeli-society/

    Plus this:” Israel’s Coming “Civil War”: The Haredi Jews Confront the Militarized Secular Zionist State” https://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-coming-civil-war-the-haredi-jews-versus-secular-zionist-militarism/5323834

  263. A123 says:

    Anna the Troll,

    Floodposting just shows everyone how desperate you are to defend the Anti-Christ Muhammad. There is only one cult that accepts pedophilia as core value, because your false prophet Muhammad raped Aisha was 9 years old. The Satanic paedophilia of Islam is so indiscriminate it even accepts Muslim men raping little boys (1)

    The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan exposes the horrific practice called Bacha Bazi, in which young Afghan boys are sold to warlords and powerful businessmen to be trained as dancers who perform for male audiences in women’s clothing and are then used and traded for sex.

    Those who follow Allah instead of God obey the Satanic covenant of Taqiyya, lying to Infidels. Your blood libels for your Paedohile Prophet Muhammad are transparent fabrications.

    If you think you can dissuade those who follow the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — You are sadly mistaken. Your desperate flailing proves that you fear the TRUTH that I bring. Your actions strengthen my faith in God and my resolve to spread His words.

    PEACE 😇
    _______

    (1) https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-dancing-boys-of-afghanistan/

    • Replies: @annamaria
  264. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    When are you going to go see a doctor you retarded schizophrenic…?

    I had already posted the exact same genetic map of Europe in this thread long before you posted the same version essentially, although mixed in with a lot of your meaningless gibberish…

    I had also already long discussed the nature of the genetic makeup of European peoples…it is mainly R1a and R1b, but also the indigenous European I haplogroup…all of those are on the paternal side…Y chromosome…

    You obviously have zero clue about even the very basic of genetics do you…?

    I’m talking here about even understanding encyclopedia level knowledge that a person must understand as a basic first step, the same way grammar school comes before high school and university…you have proved here REPEATEDLY that you don’t even have a KINDERGARTEN level of understanding of this subject…

    This is what is so frustrating with your mentally disturbed ravings here…THEY ARE DISRUPTIVE…

    For instance this…

    Y-DNA haplogroups indicate paternal ancestry while mtDNA haplogroups indicate maternal ancestry. In and of themselves, they don’t describe the genetic composition of human DNA. For that, you need autosomal DNA or PCA studies.

    What a complete idiot…it is remarkable that one so breathtakingly ignorant has the brass to come here and not only argue, but call other, more informed, people ignorant…

    You don’t have any idea what Autosomal DNA is do you…?

    Autosomal tests may result in a large amount of DNA matches…

    However, due to the random nature of which and how much DNA is inherited by each tested person from their common ancestors, precise conclusions can only be made for close relations.

    Because Autosomal test for DNA from each parent, each generation is further and further removed…

    Autosomal DNA is contained in the 22 pairs of chromosomes not involved in determining a person’s sex…

    Therefore, the number of markers (one of two or more known variants in the genome at a particular location – known as Single-nucleotide polymorphisms or SNPs) inherited from a specific ancestor decreases by about half each generation; that is, an individual receives half of their markers from each parent, about a quarter of their markers from each grandparent; about an eighth of their markers from each great grandparent, etc.

    Autosomal DNA Testing

    Here’s the question, Einstein…how much is left after several hundred generations that go back 5,000 years…?

    You are really the most AMAZING IDIOT…

    I have never seen such a bloody blockhead in my life…have you actually convinced yourself that you understand even the very first thing about genetics and how it applies to anthropology?

    This is why archeogenetics focuses STRICTLY on Y-DNA…because the Y marker that I have goes back literally thousands of years, from my father to his father etc, completely undisturbed…not like the maternal mt DNA [which males don’t carry] or any autosomnal nonsense which is ONLY used in finding if you are related to someone that is relatively close…

    That’s why I have carefully explained the BASICS here, idiot… so that people can find something useful for their knowledge and curiosity…your idiotic blabbering is like some retarded two year old trying to scream his hissy fits while adults are discussing…what a complete moron…

    Here is that genetic map of Europe again…

  265. annamaria says:
    @A123

    You focus too much on “Islamo-Fascists” while being obstinately blind to your own tribe’s crimes.
    Read again the article below — this is not some stuff done more a thousand years ago by Mahometans but the deeds of the modern-day Jews:

    Tel Aviv: Julius Karow is accused of sexually assaulting a 9-year-old girl in Oregon in 2000; he fled to Israel before authorities in the U.S. could apprehend him or figure out where he went.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish-american-pedophiles-hide-from-justice-in-israel/
    More:

    Names of 46 convicted child sex offenders who terrorized the Orthodox Jewish community from within are released by Brooklyn DA.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2373238/Nechemya-Weberman-46-named-convicted-child-sex-offenders-terrorized-Orthodox-Jewish-community-released-Brooklyn-DA.html
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/rebel-rabbi-exposes-child-molesters

    Islamists in Syria and Libya are darlings of Israelis, in addition to being their blood cousins. You protest too much. https://www.mintpressnews.com/irwin-cotler-white-helmets-israel-whitewashing/261073/

    On July 22, 2018, Israel organized and facilitated an exceptional evacuation of White Helmet operatives from southern Syria… A number of NATO member states backed the move, calling on Israel to bring their intelligence assets to safety.

    The White Helmets have been discredited and exposed as a British-government-incubated project by a number of independent geopolitical analysts, including Scott Ritter, Philip Giraldi, John Pilger, Seymour Hersh, Eva Bartlett, Graham Porter, Rick Sterling , Cory Morningstar and many more.

  266. @A123

    I already answered you the rate of migration of Jews out of Iran is no different 1949 to 1979 than it was after the Islamic revolution… But critical thinking doesn’t appear to be a strong suit for you. YOU CHOSE to reply to a comment I made comparing how Jews and Christians are treated in Iran vs. the rest of the middle east. You channeled your inner Trump/Pompeo/Bolton with “but Iran – but Iran – but Iran”…. You still can’t get to that first issue – so I simply choose not to waste more time. It’s not a surrender it’s a yawn and the shake of the head.

  267. Smith says:

    With this kind of discussion, I can see we are getting to exciting times.

    We will not have a chinese century, but a century where regional powers get back to their feet and define their own culture and history again, be it german, poles, ukrainian, russians, turks, indian, chinese, japanese, vietnamese.

    No longer shall we suffer a global homonized culture imposed by one country. And that’s a good thing.

  268. SpaceRus says:
    @Bombercommand

    X-37 is launched on Atlas 5 rocket powered by RD-180. What is RD-180, you may ask?
    Good question ! It’s a Russian designed, Russian-made rocket engine that is so good NASA has been buying them for over 20 years now BECAUSE USA HAS NOTHING EVEN REMOTELY as good as RD-180!

  269. Anonymous[942] • Disclaimer says:
    @SteveK9

    Russia is a European Country with a European Culture

    I know you mean well, SteveK9, but that’s a frankly wrong statement.

    We Americans look at people and go “Hey, they’re White, so they must belong with us, they have to be Europeans of some kind”. Uh, NO, the world doesn’t work that way. It never has, and never will.

    You’ve got to see it from the point of view of the Europeans themselves. Throughout all of European history, Russians have never been considered European.

    Certain Slavic groups can be called European – Poland comes to mind – but not, by any stretch of the imagination, Russia. That’s a European mindset that has held true over centuries (going back at least 500 years), and it won’t change.

    Russia HAS adopted certain aspects of European culture, and outwardly, to simplistic American eyes, appears “EuropeanIZED to the point of being European”. The emphasis on surface appearance of Americans’ thinking plays into this, as in we see White, we think certain stereotypes, we think “they’re obviously the same as Germans, British and French!”

    LOL! Ask the Germans, British and French about this – and prepare to be laughed at, and ridiculed.

    Russians are Russians, they are their own unique civilization. That they are no longer culturally awed by Europe, nor by extension North America, can only be good for them, and humanity as a whole.

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  270. a_german [AKA "A_German.."] says:
    @Anonymous

    You’ve got to see it from the point of view of the Europeans themselves. Throughout all of European history, Russians have never been considered European.

    There are no “Europeans”. They are Spanish, French, Danish, Greece, Kroatians, Serbs aso. All with different language, culture, values etc.

    In the case of Greece and Serbia there is a different alphabet and religion more near to Russia than the rest. I can Drive 90 minutes and can’t understand anybody because they speak Danish, have a different currency and different values.

    In my experience it is much more easy to get near to an Russian man as to somebody from the US. We simply share more values, whatever that means.

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