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The New Silk Roads – or Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) – were launched by President Xi Jinping in 2013, first in Central Asia (Nur-Sultan) and then Southeast Asia (Jakarta).

One year later, the Chinese economy overtook the U.S. on a PPP basis. Inexorably, year after year since the start of the millennium, the U.S. share of the global economy shrinks while China’s increases.

China is already the key hub of the global economy and the leading trade partner of nearly 130 nations.

While the U.S. economy is hollowed out, and the casino financing of the U.S. government – repo markets and all – reads as a dystopian nightmare, the civilization-state steps ahead in myriad areas of technological research, not least because of Made in China 2025.

China largely beats the U.S. on patent filings and produces at least 8 times as many STEM graduates a year than the U.S., earning the status of top contributor to global science.

A vast array of nations across the Global South signed on to be part of BRI, which is planned for completion in 2049. Last year alone, Chinese companies signed contracts worth up to $128 billion in large-scale infrastructure projects in dozen of nations.

The only economic competitor to the U.S. is busy reconnecting most of the world to a 21st century, fully networked version of a trade system that was at its peak for over a millennia: the Eurasian Silk Roads.

Inevitably this state of things is something interlocking sectors of the U.S. ruling class simply would not accept.

Branding BRI as a “pandemic”

As the usual suspects fret over the “stability” of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Xi Jinping administration, the fact is the Beijing leadership has had to deal with an accumulation of extremely severe issues: a swine-flu epidemic killing half the stock; the Trump-concocted trade war; Huawei accused of racketeering and about to be prevented from buying U.S. made chips; bird flu; coronavirus virtually shutting down half of China.

Add to it the incessant United States government Hybrid War propaganda barrage, trespassed by acute Sinophobia; everyone from sociopathic “officials” to self-titled councilors are either advising corporate businesses to divert global supply chains out of China or concocting outright calls for regime change – with every possible demonization in between.

There are no holds barred in the all-out offensive to kick the Chinese government while it’s down.

A Pentagon cipher at the Munich Security Conference once again declares China as the greatest threat, economically and militarily, to the U.S. – and by extension the West, forcing a wobbly EU already subordinated to NATO to be subservient to Washington on this remixed Cold War 2.0.

The whole U.S. corporate media complex repeats to exhaustion that Beijing is “lying” and losing control. Descending to sub-gutter, racist levels, hacks even accuse BRI itself of being a pandemic, with China “impossible to quarantine”.

All that is quite rich, to say the least, oozing from lavishly rewarded slaves of an unscrupulous, monopolistic, extractive, destructive, depraved, lawless oligarchy which uses debt offensively to boost their unlimited wealth and power while the lowly U.S. and global masses use debt defensively to barely survive. As Thomas Piketty has conclusively shown, inequality always relies on ideology.

We’re deep into a vicious intel war. From the point of view of Chinese intelligence, the current toxic cocktail simply cannot be attributed to just a random series of coincidences. Beijing has serial motives to piece this extraordinary chain of events as part of a coordinated Hybrid War, Full Spectrum Dominance attack on China.

Enter the Dragon Killer working hypothesis: a bio-weapon attack capable of causing immense economic damage but protected by plausible deniability. The only possible move by the “indispensable nation” on the New Great Game chessboard, considering that the U.S. cannot win a conventional war on China, and cannot win a nuclear war on China.

A biological warfare weapon?

On the surface, coronavirus is a dream bio-weapon for those fixated on wreaking havoc across China and praying for regime change.

Yet it’s complicated. This report is a decent effort trying to track the origins of coronavirus. Now compare it with the insights by Dr. Francis Boyle, international law professor at the University of Illinois and author, among others, of Biowarfare and Terrorism. He’s the man who drafted the U.S. Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 signed into law by George H. W. Bush.

Dr. Boyle is convinced coronavirus is an

“offensive biological warfare weapon” that leaped out of the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory, although he’s “not saying it was done deliberately.”

Dr. Boyle adds, “all these BSL-4 labs by United States, Europe, Russia, China, Israel are all there to research, develop, test biological warfare agents. There’s really no legitimate scientific reason to have BSL-4 labs.” His own research led to a whopping $100 billion, by 2015, spent by the United States government on bio-warfare research: “We have well over 13,000 alleged life science scientists… testing biological weapons here in the United States. Actually this goes back and it even precedes 9/11.”

Dr. Boyle directly accuses “the Chinese government under Xi and his comrades” of a cover up “from the get-go. The first reported case was December 1, so they’d been sitting on this until they couldn’t anymore. And everything they’re telling you is a lie. It’s propaganda.”

The World Health Organization (WHO), for Dr. Boyle, is also on it: “They’ve approved many of these BSL-4 labs (…) Can’t trust anything the WHO says because they’re all bought and paid for by Big Pharma and they work in cahoots with the CDC, which is the United States government, they work in cahoots with Fort Detrick.” Fort Detrick, now a cutting-edge bio-warfare lab, previously was a notorious CIA den of mind control “experiments”.

ORDER IT NOW

Relying on decades of research in bio-warfare, the U.S. Deep State is totally familiar with all bio-weapon overtones. From Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki to Korea, Vietnam and Fallujah, the historical record shows the United States government does not blink when it comes to unleashing weapons of mass destruction on innocent civilians.

For its part, the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Project Agency (DARPA) has spent a fortune researching bats, coronaviruses and gene-editing bio-weapons. Now, conveniently – as if this was a form of divine intervention – DARPA’s “strategic allies” have been chosen to develop a genetic vaccine.

The 1996 neocon Bible, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), unambiguously stated, “advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

There’s no question coronavirus, so far, has been a Heaven-sent politically useful tool, reaching, with minimum investment, the desired targets of maximized U.S. global power – even if fleetingly, enhanced by a non-stop propaganda offensive – and China relatively isolated with its economy semi paralyzed.

Yet perspective is in order. The CDC estimated that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season in the U.S. No less than 647,000 people were hospitalized. And 61,200 died.

This report details the Chinese “people’s war” against coronavirus.

It’s up to Chinese virologists to decode its arguably synthetic origin. How China reacts, depending on the findings, will have earth-shattering consequences – literally.

Setting the stage for the Raging Twenties

After managing to reroute trade supply chains across Eurasia to its own advantage and hollow out the Heartland, American – and subordinated Western – elites are now staring into a void. And the void is staring back. A “West” ruled by the U.S. is now faced with irrelevance. BRI is in the process of reversing at least two centuries of Western dominance.

There’s no way the West and especially the “system leader” U.S. will allow it. It all started with dirty ops stirring trouble across the periphery of Eurasia – from Ukraine to Syria to Myanmar.

Now it’s when the going really gets tough. The targeted assassination of Maj. Gen. Soleimani plus coronavirus – the Wuhan flu – have really set up the stage for the Raging Twenties. The designation of choice should actually be WARS – Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome. That would instantly give the game away as a War against Humanity – irrespective of where it came from.

(Republished from Strategic Culture Foundation by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. TG says:

    I would believe anything of the US government, but: that they are capable of actually carrying out such a fiendish plot? I doubt their competence as much as I know their corruption.

    As far as escaping from a lab, I work in science, and I can say with certainty: these biosafety labs are leaky. Human beings simply cannot maintain the required safety protocols without a single lapse for years/decades, it can’t be done. So if China had such a virus in a lab in Wuhan, it is very plausible that it would escape into the general population.

    Side note: all countries keep putting their labs with dangerous pathogens in the middle of big cities. It makes it easier to staff them with qualified people, but it’s BLOODY MADNESS. For example, after 9/11, a concerned US congress decided to fund the construction of new research centers with hazardous organisms in dozens of major cities all over the country. I feel safer already…

    And finally: if this was indeed a US plot, as usual they have shot themselves in the foot. Remember: the US elites have (treasonously) shifted the bulk of US manufacturing to China. If this virus really hammers China’s economy, it will also hammer the US economy, because of all those US-owned factories in China. And don’t forget that China is the source of most of the pharmaceutical the US uses… At this point, shutting down trade with China would hurt the US elites more than it would hurt China.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @Jake
  2. I’ve read lot’s of speculation about the origin and the motivation behind COVID-19. I believe it’s a genetically engineered virus, otherwise why would their be a bio lab facility at the center of the outbreak?

    The nefarious motivation of the outbreak seems to be missing from any discussion, which is to cripple the world’s leading manufacturer leading to global recession in an attempt to hurt Trump’s chances at re-election. What I haven’t figured out yet is what alternative is their to Donald Trump in 2020. Thus far, none has been presented with 10 months to go until the election. The satanic world order must be gearing up for quite a recession.

    • Replies: @sally
  3. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

    Why can’t anyone ever just admit that sometimes human beings make mistakes?

  4. Stan says:

    “the fact is the Beijing leadership has had to deal with an accumulation of extremely severe issues: a swine-flu epidemic killing half the stock; the Trump-concocted trade war; Huawei accused of racketeering and about to be prevented from buying U.S. made chips; bird flu; coronavirus virtually shutting down half of China.”

    The latest news is locusts could be the next plague to hit China.

    • Replies: @SBaker
  5. Stan says:

    Locust plague fears: Book of Revelation apocalypse seal ‘broken’ after swarm reaches China
    A LOCUST plague which has now reached coronavirus-struck China may be the “fifth trumpet” prophesied in the Book of Revelation, according to wild claims.

    https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/1243557/locast-swarm-china-coronavirus-book-revelation-seventh-seal-trumpet-jesus-christ-god-spt

  6. clickkid says:

    China’s strengths – especially in this situation;

    Strong political will of the central authority.

    Ability of that authority to declare something to be an absolute priority and then direct resources to it.

    Chinese culture values social responsibility higher than individual rights.

    China is actually a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity, going back 5000 years. America, by contrast,, is a collection of individuals from all over the world who just happen to live in the same legal jurisdiction.

  7. @clickkid

    Escobar’s essay is not that different from that of Metallicman, published on this site only a week or so ago. If some American madmen are behind this Coronavirus pandemic, and I pray they are not, there will be global war. No doubt Chinese leadership is planning its retribution even as I write.

  8. @clickkid

    China is actually a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity, going back 5000 years

    Repeating this bullshit over and over again won’t make it true.

  9. Loup-Bouc says:

    Mr. Pepe Escobar:

    Please cease putting acronyms or blocks of all-caps abbreviations without first presenting full names or other comprehensible identifiers. Or are you too brainwashed by texting?

    A proper lawyer or judge would not put an acronym or other such all-caps abbreviation in a legal brief, legal pleading, court order, ruling, finding, or judgment without first indicating the full name of the reference (E.G., United State Marine Corps) and then adding [hereinafter “USMC”] — quite because the reader is entitled to immediate clarity and to not being forced to try to guess at meaning.

    What the hell is “PPP” or “STEM”?

    I hold a doctorate and, since 1972, have been an oft-published, widely read, successful professor of law whose written works have induced many judicial decisions and influenced the position of many scholars. I sense that “STEM” references something involved in education-credentials of school-test results or some like other matter. I imagine, but do no know that (and do not care whether) STEM relates to some kind of determination of some kind(s) of aptitude or supposed learning-status.

    But I don not give a crap — because modern testing and most late 20th Century “education” and near-all 21st Century “education” are useless or worse. Such “education” is counterproductive. Such “testing” is incapable of indicating validly/reliably any real virtue of anyone’s learning or ability and, because of its education-policy influence, is anti-educational.

  10. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Before I could finish proofing and editing my initial comment, the editing period closed. The comment’s final paragraph needed editing. It ought to have been this:

    But I do not give a crap — because modern testing and most late 20th Century “education” and near-all 21st Century “education” are useless or worse. Such “education” is counterproductive. Such “testing” is incapable of indicating validly/reliably any real virtue of anyone’s learning or ability and, because of its education-policy influence, is anti-educational.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  11. Jason Liu says:

    The thing is that the CCP doesn’t know how to handle a hybrid, full-spectrum, meta-political war. It still thinks having the biggest economy + building more ships than America = Victory. Those things are important of course, but it’s gonna take a lot more than that.

    The old men in Zhongnaihai do not understand that they’re up against not just a single nation, but a world order that encompasses all domains cultural, ideological, political, diplomatic, etc. It is much more than just the US. In some ways the enemy is Modernity itself, as created by the west, with all its associated values. There’s still a lingering desire for “let’s trade but leave each other alone”. That’s not gonna happen. It was never gonna happen. I hope they smarten up.

  12. @TG

    Is “the US government,… capable of actually carrying out such a fiendish plot? I doubt their competence as much as I know their corruption.”
    Agreed.
    ” I work in science, and I can say with certainty: these biosafety labs are leaky. ”
    Agreed, again. But, it is passing strange that China has had so many viral “problems” over a relatively short period of time. It suggests that the Chinese are remarkably “leaky” relative to other nations (or unluckier)(such as the US, which i suspect has considerably more such Labs.)
    “And finally: if this was indeed a US plot, as usual they have shot themselves in the foot. ”
    Agreed, also. But the giveaway here is “as usual”. The US is notorious for its short termism.
    Indeed, i dont think they can be compared. The damage to China is vastly greater than to the US.” Yes, the US will suffer negative, largely indirect, affects. For China, this shit storm is right in their laps.
    Other things make me suspicious. So far, very — very few non-Chinese seem to have been infected or died from this disease. So, why would China be developing a (if its a man-made) chinese lethal disease ? I guess we could come up with reasons….
    So many diseases…it’s a bit weird…or coincidence.
    Also funny how the US had 300 military personel in Wuhan for a major sporting event & roughly 14 days after the US departure this unknown aggressive disease surfaces…coincidence,
    again …?
    I hope all this is accidental…b/c should it be proven of US origin i wonder how long the chinese can just ignore this stuff ??

  13. Biff says:

    The whole U.S. corporate media complex repeats to exhaustion that Beijing is “lying” and losing control.

    It’s a numbers game – the only need a majority of the American public to believe their medium then they are winning.

    But the big war is yet to be decided…

  14. Biff says:
    @JohnPlywood

    China is actually a nation. Genetically related oeople with a common story, a common identity, going back 5000 years

    Repeating this bullshit over and over again won’t make it true.

    Well, until it’s a Jewish thing, then it’s all true!

    • Agree: Moi
  15. Adûnâi says:

    1. Re: Sinophobia – how can you explain then the media campaign to make Westerners lick doorknobs to prove they are not racist? Because it is such a myopic case – you either shout about Sinophilia or Sinophobia, never accounting for both.

    Still, I agree overall, Sinophobia does prevail and is sanctioned. Last time I checked, both Styx and MisterMetokur can freely joke about “Winnie the Pooh”, but have you ever heard a Westerner’s talking about how dirty Negroes are? Negrophobia remains unthinkable, Sinophobia is cultivated.

    2. Can you explain how the CIA could be behind the coronavirus? I agree that it is the most plausible explanation if the pandemic is artificial, but what is about the fact it will crash the entire capitalist system worldwide? Do you subscribe to Fursov’s conspiratorial idea that the “elites” want to usher in a new Dark Age? (Because then, count me in.)

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  16. Adûnâi says:
    @clickkid

    Chinese culture values social responsibility higher than individual rights.

    Then how can you explain this social experiment which shows that the Chinese people never help their racial kinsmen in need? There are children and girls abducted right in public spaces, and nobody bats an eye!

    (Yes, it was conducted by the Formosans, and shared by an Eternal Anglo traitor from the Cape Colony.)

    • Replies: @Naill
    , @showmethereal
  17. Sure, I’ll suspend disbelief long enough to believe a major Asian power is behind the release, accidental or otherwise, of a virus that predominately kills Asians and to do so in the heart of Asia.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  18. The kernel of this problem is the perception of “China as the greatest threat, economically and militarily, to the U.S.” Policies are derived from interests; and the clash of interests leads to war.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  19. @clickkid

    Strong political will of the central authority.

    Ability of that authority to declare something to be an absolute priority and then direct resources to it.

    Radio Derb (always worth listening to) addressed this yesterday.

    To paraphrase, in short: the problem is that when they demonstrate that “strong will,” it highlights the lack of freedom in China at a time when the natural impulse is to be unhappy in response to privation. He doubts, and I agree, that people are going to rally to the government, but rather carp about the pain – as humans always do.

    This could always be wrong. Perhaps the people will rally to the CCP, only time will tell. The week before, Derb reported that WeChat was buzzing with discussions that the USA was behind the virus, so it could fall either way. Neither seems pleasant.

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  20. melpol says:

    You can kill their pigs and infect their men with diseases but China wont fight. They believe their population will grow into the billions. China needs American farm products to feed its hungry youngsters. They will get that food without waging war.

  21. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jason Liu

    I agree 100%.

    Having said that, Chinas 2 biggest allies going forward are Iran and Russia. These 3 countries complement each other extremely well in the sense that they possess what the other lacks. Russia and Iran are very capable in performing and defending against Hybrid wars.

    Neither country can hope to defend against America alone. Hopefully China teams up with its allies to defend itself.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  22. Naill says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Are you kidding me? You are not familiar with PPP or STEM?
    These have been in use widely, were the author to spell them out, it would be an insult to the reader. And a simple search would have helped you too, man.
    PPP – purchasing power parity (often used in relation to GDP which can be either PPP or USD)
    STEM – science, technology, engineering, mathematics

  23. Naill says:
    @Adûnâi

    No widely read person would rely on the work of Serpentza.
    1. He earns his income on YouTube from spinning only negative views of China
    2. His qualifications are not clear. He says he used to teach doctors, was it medical knowledge? was it english as a second language? No one knows but he has to keep repeating it to lend credence to his videos.

    It seems the information war has now extended to social media and Serpentza seems to be part of it. Why now and why so many commenters try to refer others to him as a credible source of information when much more credible sources exist?

  24. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    Hybrid war is also going to hit Iran hard.

    Their elites including their military command are getting infected.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hectorology/status/1231325985598885888

    Here the US is wasting no time in blaming Iranian officials.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/hectorology/status/1231473503750082563

    Here is speculation that the virus in Iran is a hybrid Sars-Mers combination.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusWhisperer/status/1231448373976281088

  25. @another fred

    This could always be wrong. Perhaps the people will rally to the CCP, only time will tell.

    Never predict. Be ready for any possibility– and an impossibility or two.

    This works with geopolitics as well as with elections.

  26. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Naill

    Kdding?

    No.

    I am a 79-years-old, long-time, much-published, oft-cite scholar, of law, math, statistics, philosophy, and economics, in each of which fields my works have been published frequently in respectable periodicals and treatise-books. My legal papers win in the highest courts of this nation.

    In my fields, mature, serious writers follow the rule that the writer owes the reader immediate clarity and refined prose.

    My colleagues use the term Gross Domestic Product, but spell it out before they abbreviate it. And my colleagues find “purchasing power parity” a bit of alliterative fluff bearing little or no economics-usefulness. So, I have not been accustomed to seeing it put as “PPP.”

    As I anticipated, “STEM” is an acronym that stands for one of many vacant aspects of idiotic new-age notions of what education and testing ought to be.

  27. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Naill

    Alas, I committed at typing error in writing my reply of about 20 minutes ago (February 24, 2020, at 1:18 am GMT).

    The term “oft-cite scholar” ought to be “oft-cited scholar.”

    Sorry.

  28. Parfois1 says:
    @animalogic

    Also funny how the US had 300 military personel in Wuhan for a major sporting event & roughly 14 days after the US departure this unknown aggressive disease surfaces…coincidence,

    Yes, I noticed that coincidence too. But it goes a bit further than that. Comparatively, you would expect that such a large contingent of US military athletes would scoop a respectable number of medals. But no, they got a dismal 8 medals and no gold, behind such military powerhouses as Namibia and Tunisia.

    Is it the case that the US military are sub-standard or were they bioweapons personnel masquerading as athletes?

  29. Parfois1 says:
    @Naill

    Are you kidding me? You are not familiar with PPP or STEM?
    These have been in use widely, were the author to spell them out, it would be an insult to the reader. And a simple search would have helped you too, man.

    You nailed it. A professor of Law who does not know such acronyms is, well, better not say it.
    However, when a person screams at you such august qualification, I suspect to be an impostor. A lawyer is uniquely exposed professionally to other human activities and academic disciplines from personal relations to science, politics, public administration, business and metaphysics.

  30. Parfois1 says:
    @Naill

    It seems the information war has now extended to social media and Serpentza seems to be part of it. Why now and why so many commenters try to refer others to him as a credible source of information when much more credible sources exist?

    Maybe another one of the same kind as the CIA/MI6’s Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

  31. This article is such a joke. Listen to the interview The Epoch Times recently (Feb. 18th or thereabout) did with Casey Fleming. It’s titled “China’s Communist Party Uses All Sectors to Wage War on the US; The US Must Respond” on YouTube.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @showmethereal
  32. Parfois1 says:
    @Parfois1

    Is it the case that the US military are sub-standard or were they bioweapons personnel masquerading as athletes?

    I asked the above question partly in jest only on the grounds of US military athletes performing so poorly in spite of their large numbers in the World Military Olympics at Wuhan.

    Meanwhile, something has come up apparently supporting that suspicion.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-originated-us-japanese-tv-broadcast/5704493

  33. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    I will admit that. There you go.

  34. @Parfois1

    Interesting. Didnt know that. Well….

  35. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    Dude, I have a high school education, but I am smart enough to know that some folks your age are still intellectually even physically vigorous and productive – you are not one of them. Some rot has truly set into your brain. Better to muddle through quietly and do your best, than to wave your shortcomings around in public for others to mock. Your (minor) point about abbreviations is well taken, but could have been made in a sentence without all the extra baggage. You are correct there, but they really are quite common abbreviations. It’s close to saying you have to write United States of America in front of USA. Don’t be that guy who keeps griping that “they” keep making the writing on labels smaller. You have had a respectable career. Maintain some dignity man.

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Alfred
    , @FB
  36. Loup-Bouc says:
    @The Scalpel

    TO: The Scalpel, post of February 24, 2020 at 12:17 pm GMT

    You presumptuous twit.

    [MORE]

    You know nothing of my physical or mental competence or vigor (which can work 60 to 70 hour weeks producing legal arguments that win tough cases in the U.S. Supreme Court and the U.S. federal circuit courts).

    Your education lack is an admitted fact that impeaches your opinion.

    Your ignorant criticism would (absurdly) fit the thought and writing of the best Justices of the U.S. Supreme.

    Your “analogy” (USA versus United States of America) is risibly unanalogous.

    I should not be amazed if you are part of the “texting” generation, whose minds are irradiated as their thumbs reduce their verbal expressions, and thought, to clumsy, ideation-crippling abbreviations.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • LOL: The Scalpel
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  37. utu says:
    @Savior General

    The Epoch Times is CIA/Falun Gong operation.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  38. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    I’m willing to bet that you are authentic jazzman’s dad. Or authentic jazzman himself

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Stonehands
  39. Loup-Bouc says:
    @The Scalpel

    Either your reply reflects some rare, arcane psychosis (heretofore beyond my ken), or it invokes an apprehension savored only in some weird or starkly insular milieu, where denizens embrace a cult involving worship of a demigod dubbed “authentic jazzman.”

    Evaporate.

  40. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    OK. That’s some excellent stuff right there! Bravo!!

  41. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Loup-Bouc

    OK. That’s some excellent stuff right there! Bravo!!

    Better than griping about standard common abbreviations

    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
  42. @Loup-Bouc

    Allow me to be of some assistance. Authentic jazzman is another commenter who, like yourself, makes a huge deal about his many and great “accomplishments” while the actual content of his comments reveal an individual who appears to be more than a just bit dim. The acronyms PPP and STEM hardly qualify as being arcane esoterica and a quick search would have negated the opportunity for you to display your shortcomings. You’re welcome.

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @Alfred
  43. Loup-Bouc says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    TO: NoseytheDuke, re: your reply comment of February 25, 2020 at 1:54 pm GMT

    You wrote (to me, Loup-Bouc):

    The acronyms PPP and STEM hardly qualify as being arcane esoterica and a quick search would have negated the opportunity for you to display your shortcomings.

    [MORE]

    No reader ought to need to research a writer’s acronyms or other all-caps abbreviations to find their meanings. If a writer forces such research, he is a bad writer.

    Your language “arcane esoterica” is redundant, pretentious, bad writing, and a show of poor language-skill.

    Your introductory sentence — “Allow me to be of some assistance — is ungrammatical/illogical, and pompous. Elsewhere your language is ungrammatical or bad diction or both (E.G. “makes a huge deal about” and “PPP and STEM hardly qualify as being”).

    “PPP” is not an “acronym.” An acronym is an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word. “STEM” is an acronym.

    Your pseudonym (NoseytheDuke) is childish.

    I put my credentials and noted my accomplishments because they were pertinent to my criticism of Pepe Escobar’s writing — just as, during an expert-witness-voir-dire of a judicial proceeding, a proposed expert witness would state his credentials and accomplishments so that the court could determine whether his testimonial opinion would be valid, reliable, and legally relevant (per, E.G., Federal Rules of Evidence Rules 401, 402, 403, 702, and 703).

    I anticipated the meaning of “STEM.” I contemned it.

    I explained why I refused to acknowledge any meaning of the alliterative fluff “PPP.”

    I noted that a court might reject court-papers bearing such all-caps abbreviations where the abbreviated terms were not spelled out before the abbreviations were used.

    For like reason, respectable legal periodicals (E.G. Harvard Law Review) or other professional journals (medical, scientific, literary, E.G., The New England Journal of Medicine) would decline publication of articles bearing such abbreviations — UNLESS, IN THE PERTINENT FIELD, an otherwise-objectionable abbreviation were so commonplace that it would be understood by ALL professionals OF THE FIELD. Pepe Escobar’s article is NOT an economics or education-theory piece, and no economics or education-theory journal would publish it.

    Your comment is risible. I suggest you confine your criticisms to football-talk in sports bars.

  44. Loup-Bouc says:
    @The Scalpel

    TO: The Scalpel, re: your reply comment of February 25, 2020 at 12:41 pm GMT

    The questioned abbreviations are NOT “standard” outside the literature of certain professions.

    [MORE]

    “PPP” has not been commonplace in economics journals; hence one cannot say it is a “standard” of economics literature. “PPP” has been limited much to normative policy arguments concerning whether or how to return to the gold standard — arguments not begun until after WWI.

    [Though “GDP” is very commonplace now, it was not so commonplace several decades ago, when the parallel (more inclusive) term “GNP” (gross national product) was the more commonplace term (partly because much economics theory addressed a nation’s combined internal-and-external production-activity more than it addressed solely a nation’s internal production-activity).]

    Pepe Escobar’s article is not an education-theory or economics piece; and neither the economics journals nor education-theory periodicals would publish it.

  45. The Scalpel says: • Website

    IMHO, you went and did it now. FYI, I take back the Bravo I gave you on your last comment, OK?

    (OK is not generally considered an acronym! It is a misspelled abbreviation of All Correct which in older English was spelled Oll Korrect) I think you would agree that writers should present that explanation every time they first use the word OK, right? Such a shame not many people know what those letters stand for!

    Anyway, I realize now that you are just a cranky old GOMER in the early stages of dementia. There is a good chance I will be there before long, and of course for any individual, YMMV. All I can say is that I am glad you are putting it out there and owning it. ROFLMAO. I hope I do the same when it is my turn. : )

    P.S. That little colon followed by a closed parentheses is not punctuation OR an acronym. It is an emoji. It may seem complicated to you, so I will leave it at that.

    P.S.S. P.S. stands for post script but hardly anyone ever uses the whole words and many people don’t even know that it is an abbreviation! WEIRD!!! (that’s not an acronym) All caps is sometimes used for emphasis, but not too much or it is considered rude.

    P.S.S.S. – If P.S. stands for post script, what does the next S. stand for? Or the next one? Post Script Script Script? That’s weird! Shouldn’t it be P.S.P.S.? But no one ever does that! They should talk to you, Mr. Loup-Bouc. You could straighten them out 🙂

    • LOL: SolontoCroesus
    • Replies: @Loup-Bouc
    , @foolisholdman
  46. Tony Hall says:

    Please check out at the American Herald Tribune “The Wuhan Coronavirus Epidemic and Conspiracy Theories, [Part 1, with More Parts Yet to Follow]

    https://ahtribune.com/world/3910-wuhan-coronavirus-epidemic-conspiracy-theories.html

    • Agree: Jon Baptist
  47. @Loup-Bouc

    Thanks for your reply to my comment offering you a small measure of assistance. The redundancy was intended to be for your benefit based both on your desire for clarity and your claim to be a scholar of mathematics while simultaneously being not aware of what STEM denotes.

    FWIW, I “treated” myself to a peek at your comment history and was quite flabbergasted to see that a great number (Is it as much as 50%?) of your comments are comprised of your apologies for errors made by you in your previous comments, is this high rate of errors normal for scholars of such awesome repute as yourself? I think even Authentic Jazzman doesn’t seem to have this problem. Being aware of your stupendous IQ and tremendous brain wattage, this led me to theorise that the weight of your “genius” is causing downward pressure on your (is it octogenarian?) spine resulting in restricted blood flow to a brain with greater than normal blood-oxygen requirements. Always being one to offer assistance to anyone in need I wondered if perhaps a little extra starch in your collars would help? With kind regards.

    • Agree: The Scalpel
    • Troll: Alfred
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Loup-Bouc
  48. Rahan says:

    Putin learned the hard way how to fight a hybrid war from all directions, and still manage to have a stable, if 2nd world level economy, and even rebuild various institutions in the meantime, while fending off attempts to destroy Russia.

    In 2016 Russia even brought back a scouts-cadets organization, with 600 000 kids in it already.
    https://yunarmy.ru/

    In this sense, Russia is again China’s “tough military bro” who provides not only the tools, but also the knowhow in surviving the AngloZionist “death by a thousand cuts” which took down the USSR, but did not take down Putin’s Russia.

    So if China is willing to listen and learn from survivors, things should get fixed faster than otherwise.

    **

    Now that Corona Chan has reached the US west coast, I’m starting to suspect impending ugly scenes of feral dindus attacking gooks. Remember the pics of Korean self-defense squads in LA during the Rodney King riots? I hope west coast Asians are preparing their current year self-defense squads, because the black and brown mob will turn on them in a flash, once the fight or dindu nuffin instinct kicks in.

    • LOL: Mefobills
  49. Loup-Bouc says:
    @The Scalpel

    Your reply is both presumptuous and idiotic (the two often sickly companions). You do not deserve further response.

    Evaporate.

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  50. Ghali says:

    I like to disagree with one important point in the article. Dr Boyle statement that the CoronaVirus “leaped out of the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory” is an anti-China propaganda. Evidence ( posted on UNZ and elsewhere) show that the U.S. is the most likely source of the Virus.
    Yes, it is a Biological warfare weapon introduced by the U.S. in a very important time of the year. China was very careful and open about its efforts to contain the Virus. China managed very well to stop its spread, never mind the few tourists who left China taking the Virus with them.

    • Replies: @P. McSorley
  51. @Parfois1

    The Wuhan military games were held between October 18 and October 27.

    So assuming they released the bioweapon on the very last day, the first cases should have started appearing around November 10 and large scale detection should have occurred a few days after that.

    But the first case is reported to have been detected on December 1st?

    Also looking at past results for the world military games, the US always brings home very little medals. In 2015 they brought home a total of 6 medals. In 2011 it was 5.

  52. Alfred says:
    @Naill

    Loup-Bouc is perfectly correct.

    The writer of this article was lazy. It would take minimal effort to write out the full meaning before using the acronym. He does it only once, but I suspect that tens of thousands of people might read this article – of whom thousands may have to look up the meanings of these acronyms. A disrespect to his readership.

    PPP has 150 possible meanings – https://www.acronymfinder.com/ppp.html
    STEM has 30 possible meanings – https://www.acronymfinder.com/stem.html

    Please don’t criticise someone because he is a learned lawyer and has not come across these technical terms. 99% of the population of the globe is unfamiliar with them. Also, don’t assume that everyone reading here has been brainwashed by CNN and the US “educational” system.

    For example, I have no idea who the “celebrities” gracing the covers of popular magazines are. They are total nonentities outside their little bubbles.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Naill
    , @Parfois1
  53. @Anonymous

    You have to extend that to, at least, “also cover up mistakes or don’t even notice them”. Still open is that some strange accident caused the virus to escape a laboratory without that being noticed.

    My favourite version of Hanlon’s Razor came from an old school Labor Party man: “Mate, if there’s a choice between a conspiracy and a cockup, put your money on the cockup every time”.

  54. Alfred says:
    @The Scalpel

    Don’t be that guy who keeps griping that “they” keep making the writing on labels smaller.

    Actually, the writing on labels is getting smaller. The reason for that is because they are often legally required to cram more information into the same space on containers. 50 years ago, they did not have to mention all the ingredients, for example.

    Are you next going to claim that the voiced disclaimers of US TV commercials are speaking at a normal pace? 🙂

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  55. slorter says:
    @Anonymous

    Yes Sometimes but we are at war ! So sometimes becomes possibly something else!

  56. @Jason Liu

    So their (CCP) attitude is they want 1600 with modern technology?

  57. Alfred says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    a quick search would have negated the opportunity for you to display your shortcomings.

    The onus is on the writer to make himself clear to all his readers – even the dimwits and those for whom English is a foreign language. That way, many thousands of Google searches are avoided and the thought flow is not interrupted. Anyway, as I have pointed out earlier on, PPP has around 150 possible meanings.

    Courtesy and respect for the old seems to be lacking in the current generation of young Americans. A society in decline. Happily, it survives in other cultures. 🙂

    Before you are very much older, you may be obliged to learn Mandarin in order to survive. I suspect that might be a surprise to your remaining neutrons.

    • LOL: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @Lol
  58. @Jason Liu

    China is totally backward when it comes to propaganda and isn’t able to compete with the US’s/West’s devilishly sophisticated propaganda machine. CGTN pales by comparison with Russia’s RT and is often like watching the BBC. They use the crude tool of censorship instead of a more sophisticated offensive strategy like Russia does with RT, trying to get its version of events across to people in the West. It’s a major strategic weakness. East Asian’s supposed deficits in ‘verbal intelligence’ seem to hold them back in this domain.

  59. @Alfred

    Oh please! Loupy Bou started it with his baseless attack on the author of this article and BTW, he doesn’t merely claim to be a learned lawyer, he claims to be quite the polymath and quite the sage too. Such a great learned mind and yet he seizes on Pepe Escobar for not clearly explaining the bloody obvious. By nit-picking a respected contributor in such a petty manner he exposed himself for what he is and invited ridicule.

    By 99% of the population of the globe I assume that you’ve included the Amazon tribes and peoples of Upper Sarawak? Here I am reading a variety of articles on a wide range of subjects by a wide range of contributors with different opinions and I would expect that Escobar understands who he is writing for and frames his articles with that in mind. Most people reading the Unz Review have access to the internet anyway and know how to search for any information they need, it isn’t so hard to do. Our pompous professor seems to think that articles should be written with him in mind.

    Frankly, I couldn’t care less what ideas you may or may not have about celebrities on the cover of magazines, why on earth did you bring that up? Have you been hanging out with Loupy?

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @Alfred
  60. Tony Hall says:
    @Just Passing Through

    @ Just Passing Through.

    First case detected on Dec. 1st. That doesn’t say when the infection started. Another factor here is that the period between contracting the virus and its becoming symptomatic and detectable is sometimes 30 days, not two weeks. The long and short of it is that the delay between the timing of the games and the timing of the identification of the early cases of COVID-19 fits very well the scenario of USA as source. Its circumstantial of course. The time argument doesn’t on its own prove the US did it.

    The other long and short of it is that the public is being messed with by all the obfuscation on where the disease comes from. When someone disagrees, the biggest serial liar media offenders often just say “conspiracy theorist,” as if this cliche actually explains something. Of course there are laws and a UN Convention prohibiting preparation for biological warfare so no national government is likely to volunteer it has been breaking the law, not China or not US.

    There is lots on record to suggest US actually does biological warfare, not just studies it. The evidence is considerable, for instance, that the US government was behind the bioweapon attack on Congress in Oct. of 2001 in order to clear aside the resistance of Senators Leahy and Daschle to the passage of the Patriot Act. Of this phenomenon Prof. Francis Boyle has commented

    “The Pentagon and the C.I.A. are ready, willing, and able to launch biowarfare when it suits their interests. They already attacked the American People and Congress and disabled our Republic with super-weapons-grade anthrax in October 2001.”

    https://worldbeyondwar.org/boyle-charges-u-s-germ-warfare-program-is-criminal-enterprise/

    Prof. Boyle has put the anthrax attacks in the context of the 9/11 psy op as follows:

    “Could the real culprits behind the terrorist attacks on 11 September 2001, and the immediately-following terrorist anthrax attacks upon Congress ultimately prove to be the same people? Could it truly be coincidental that two of the primary intended victims of the terrorist anthrax attacks – Senators Daschle and Leahy – were holding up the speedy passage of the pre-planned USA Patriot Act … an act which provided the federal government with unprecedented powers in relation to US citizens and institutions?”

    http://patriotsquestion911.com/professors.html#Boyle

    • Thanks: ChuckOrloski, Naill
  61. Herald says:

    PPP has around 150 possible meanings.

    But nevertheless PPP usually means only one thing to those who have made even the slightest effort to keep abreast of today’s terminology.

    Of course, it might well be that your remaining neutrons are simply holding back your neurons and if so there’s not much that help.

  62. Great article as always Mr. P. Escobar
    I once heard a story about (i think roman empire) that when you have a castle or a fort, the military from the outside put an animal like an deer (with the pest virus) on a catapult, and try to catapult it into the drinking well of that particular fort or castle.
    Ofcourse they had a spy in the fort or castle to confirm that the deer or whatever animal had landed in the drinkinwell had been accomplished.
    Then they waited for like 2-3 months till all the people got sick and died from the drinking water, so they could go in ang grap the goodies.
    I can’t find anything about that on the internet, but i learned it many years ago i do not remember by whom.
    Anyways keep up the good work and i love to read all your insighting articles.
    Respect.

  63. How can you trust any of the reporting on the “Coronavirus” ? From what I have read there is presently no accurate and reliable field test for COVID-19 . Former employees of both the CDC and WHO have accused them of corruption and the CDC of grossly exaggerating the number of flu deaths in order to sell the (worthless?) flu vaccine . Is this a psyop by globalists with both the US and China complicit ? Problem , reaction , solution – billions for drug companies , more censorship and authoritarianism (quarantines), mandatory vaccinations, one World government, stock market manipulation (like 9/11,short the market with advanced knowledge of the op)…

  64. @NoseytheDuke

    NoseytheDuke is a ridiculously childish pseudonym whereas Wolf-Goat is not. Suck on that.

    I too looked at his comment history after wondering whether he was, to use the good Aussie expression, “having a lend of us”. My impression was of a civilised liberal (not so much US version) product of his times, though, at 79, being the new 59, his inability or unwillingness to use 5 seconds on a Google search for STEM and PPP is a bit of a worry for those on Death Row he may be trying to help prove innocence.

    Still, on the good side, did we not both learn the correct dictionary definition of ‘acronym”? I am sure I would have known that if I had listened to our classics master teaching us English with utmost pedantry (and Fowler and Partridge both memorized I daresay). But I wonder at never having heard the word “initialism” which appears to be the Google choice of description for PPP – and ABC or BBC….

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  65. @Adûnâi

    1. Winnie the Pooh is just a stupid meme that makes no sense. Even the Hong Kong agitators use it and it doesn’t seem to have any racial undertones to it except in the minds of a few.

    2. This is just caused by people eating weird things, just like those Africans eating monkeys caused Ebola. So far the US has done nothing to bring back manufacturing and so you are correct that it makes no sense to crash the capitalist system. This theory would be more plausible had Trump really brought back jobs from China, and a bioweapon attack would be a great way to slow the Chinese down while America regains her might.

  66. @Anonymous

    Why can’t anyone ever just admit that sometimes human beings make mistakes?

    Exactly, like the bombing of the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.

    • Thanks: Alfred
  67. @Just Passing Through

    I think you have with one fact struck quite a blow against two arguments for US wickedness. The military presence is too early and not out of the ordinary in terms of sporting performance. At the same time the first case being identified by 1st December makes the hypothetical aim of infecting New Year travellers less likely. The local and national governments might well have swung into action a month earlier and banned travel from Wigan. Ah, but maybe the aim was just to test the speed of CCP government response, in which case any time of the year would have allowed for much the same test and the coincidence of timing loses most of its weight.

  68. @Ghali

    I like to disagree with one important point in the article. Dr Boyle statement that the CoronaVirus “leaped out of the Wuhan BSL-4 laboratory” is an anti-China propaganda. Evidence ( posted on UNZ and elsewhere) show that the U.S. is the most likely source of the Virus.
    Yes, it is a Biological warfare weapon introduced by the U.S. in a very important time of the year. China was very careful and open about its efforts to contain the Virus. China managed very well to stop its spread, never mind the few tourists who left China taking the Virus with them

    Dean Koontz had it all figured out in his 1981 novel, The Eyes of Darkness. Like in 3 Days of the Condor I believe the CIA read novels to get ideas.

  69. Lol says:
    @Alfred

    The elderly in other cultures aren’t just geriatric fools who expect respect and feel entitled to loot their children for the great job they did at ruining their countries with debt and immigration.

    The respect for the elderly mantra exists only within cultures with high mortalities where being old was hard. Stop complaining like an easy woman wanting the respect studly men get. All you did to get to your age was breathe longer than the rest of us.

    And writers don’t have the onus to educate their readership. Only bad writers feel the need to explain everything so that senile idiots won’t feel excluded. Good writers focus on the flow of ideas.

    And you’d know that if you’d have published any academic article where prior knowledge is implied and documentation for prior ideas is provided.

    FYI, anybody with at least two functioning neurons would have told the correct PPP is the first Google result from the context in which it was used.

  70. Rollmop says:
    @JohnPlywood

    In what way isn’t the claim true? Insofar as such claims are true of any people on Earth, they are true of the Chinese.

    The Han ethnic group is real, it is old, and it has spread throughout China in enormous numbers. There is a basic cultural uniformity to Han peoples that causes them all to identify as “Chinese”.

    In what way is the claim bullshit? Be careful not to hoist yourself on your own petard by unintentionally ruling out any bases for White cultural or ethnic continuity as well — wouldn’t want that around this site!

  71. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Alfred

    LOL and Thanks. Let’s call that LAT, as in…

    Here’s a big LAT to you, Alfred!

  72. What incentives does the non-Asian world have to accept the Han hegemonic power? It’s one thing to buy Chinese knick knacks but to have great universities named after, for example, Ping Pong, King Kong or Ding Dong would be silly, unlike say, Harvard, Oxford or Cambridge. It’s much better to live the power structure in the capable hands of the Christian, Anglo-American elite and let the chinaman be the “fishmonger” of the world!

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  73. Rollmop says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    And my colleagues find “purchasing power parity” a bit of alliterative fluff bearing little or no economics-usefulness.

    You can’t seriously claim to have published anything in economics, or even know any competent economists, if you are saying this with a straight face.

    PPP allows more useful comparisons between economies than GDP does. It was designed to overcome problems in GDP when used for that purpose.

    Honestly, you can’t be serious.

  74. vot tak says:

    The acronym “argument” here is a standard guardianista trolling technique used to disrupt relevant discussion. Usual method is one troll introduces the irrelevant nonsense and then other trolls respond. The point of it is to direct the commenting towards the nonsense subject and away from the actual subject under discussion. About half the comments on this thread are about the troll’s nonsense.

    Now who would not like people intelligently discussing israeloamerican biowar efforts?

    • Replies: @xcd
  75. Jake says:
    @TG

    You have nailed why US globalist economic policy is not merely stupid; it is akin to treason.

    And then there’s this – “China largely beats the U.S. on patent filings and produces at least 8 times as many STEM graduates a year than the U.S., earning the status of top contributor to global science.”

    The US wastes fortunes bribing girls to go into STEM, and trying to find any smart Numinous Negroes to follow suit.

  76. @Rollmop

    Global White identity only exists in the minds of Americans as America was in its early days a pan-European project. In Europe the nationalists are still involved in their little squabbles with eachother.

  77. The US government works for the multinational corporations. Their supply lines are drying up due to China’s shutdown. For instance 97% of American antibiotics come from China. P&G has issued a statement all their products are being impacted. American car makers are having part problems. So if this is a war act, its really an act of stupidity on the deep state’s part. Or maybe China took the hit of offing some old folks to sink the U.S.? Prof Boyle suggested on Alex Jones this could be bioweapon to attack Russia to kill off Russians for much needed real estate. It’s Infowars, but Russia did shut the border fairly quickly.

    Personally I think these all labs are in cahoots with each other. They are employed by the one precent-transhumanist crowd, and working on some weird stuff to kill us off. China just did what China does, cut some corners. Oops!

  78. Alfred says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    celebrities on the cover of magazines

    I had to bring myself down to your level. Something you could perhaps relate to. 🙂

  79. Alfred says:
    @P. McSorley

    I believe the CIA read novels to get ideas.

    Brilliant. I agree. The CIA gets ideas from novels.

    They also use novels and movies to exaggerate their own prowess and successes. I once tried to read a fat novel by Tom Clancy with that character Jack Ryan. Stomach churning stuff. I couldn’t read more than a few pages. My American nephews loved it.

    The Russians have a very simple way of finding out who is CIA at any embassy. They look at what sort of car the guy drives and where he lives and whether he keeps a mistress. Since they earn a lot more than real diplomats, they always give themselves away. They just cannot keep away from the toys.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Showmethereal
  80. @The Alarmist

    There is no difference between accidental and deliberate?

  81. AaronB says:
    @Jason Liu

    Its not exactly lets trade and leave each other alone.

    Its warfare according to a different set of rules. In ancient times China was divided into many small states, like in Europe, who were constantly at war with each. Like in Europe, these wars were extremely vicious, cruel, and self-destructive. Like in Europe, there seemed no way out of the cycle of aggression. It seemed that humanity must eventually destroy itself and have no future.

    The best Chinese minds of the time tried to figure out a way out. Lao Tzu thought the solution was “inaction” – non-response to aggression. Sun Tzu developed this theme – he didn’t think aggression could be entirely avoided, but he tried to develop means of warfare that relied on deception, illusion, managing appearance, and using the minimum of effective force only when necessary.

    In the Chinese rules of war, in order to avoid destructive mass bloodshed that might destroy humanity, aggression is channeled into deceptive practices. In this system, you’re allowed to steal technology, deceive, bend the rules, gain illicit influence, etc – this isn’t supposed to lead to actual war. If you get caught, some kind if negotiation is supposed to settle the matter.

    Now, this system is very wise – it accepts realistically that human aggression is regrettably not going away, and it tries to channel it into less destructive forms.

    The problem is that today it is clashing with the European based system, which is based on different principles. Europe faced the exact same problem China did – extremely destructive warfare between small states with no end in sight, seemingly leaving no future for humanity.

    But Europe developed a different answer – a rules-based system where you aren’t allowed to cheat at all. Aggressive tendencies are supposed to be channeled into competition within a set of clearly defined rules, like a sports match – where cheating ruins the whole point of the competition and actually demonstrates the opposite of dominance and success.

    A necessary element of the European system was the suppression of national pride, which left unchecked quickly leads to warfare. In the Chinese system, however, national pride doesn’t need to be suppressed, just the manner of fighting has to be channeled by tacit agreement.

    So we are dealing with two clashing systems designed to deal with the exact same problem – and it’s tragic because really both sides want to have a system that limits and channels aggression a way from self destructive forms, but are going about it in opposite ways.

    I guess that will lead to aggression and war – and from the ashes a new system will develop that everyone agrees on. Or the clash of the two systems will create some sort of hybrid.

  82. @P. McSorley

    Like in 3 Days of the Condor I believe the CIA read novels to get ideas.

    I believe you have the concept not exactly backward but inside-out: novelists like Koontz, Baldacci, Silva, Thor, Meltzer, David Ignatius — a raft of others who have made it to NYTimes best seller status, are (I speculate) on some US department payroll to prepare or socially engineer the public to begin to perceive as normal and acceptable things like assassinations (i.e. Daniel Silva’s plot lines parallel Ronen Bergman, Rise and Kill First);
    infiltrating other nation’s universities, research labs to turn scientists into traitor-spies for USA (David Ignatius — The Increment, Quantum Spy);
    Almost everything Baldacci writes is “ripped from the headlines” of the latest foreign policy scandal — sometimes even before the headlines become headlines.

    USA has been doing this at least since WWI.

    Public libraries in the US are a major outlet for US government propaganda pumped out in collaboration with major publishing firms.
    Public libraries spend hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of dollars — tax payer dollars– on these pop culture novels — far more than is spent on balanced coverage of US wars.

    I was still young and innocent when I started to notice that the bad guy, either the main bad guy or at very least some ancillary bad actor is German, Iranian, Italian, Arab. If Nazis/Holocaust/Hitler/white supremacists are not mentioned in one of these NYTimes best seller-dude’s books it’s a rarity.
    There was never a Jewish villain in these pop novels: the Jewish character was always benign, kindly, a victim, or a helper, but never an evil doer.
    Then — face palm: NYTimes best seller. You know, where you’d find David Irving, and Carlo Mattogno and Arthur Butz — that NYTimes.

    John B. Hench’s Books as Weapons: Propaganda, Publishing, and the Battle for Global Markets in the Era of World War II is an eye-opener, disturbingly so: Hench is retired VP of the American Antiquarian Society — a harmless, maybe dotty old man, right?
    Wrong.
    I’ve come to think of Hench as a depraved warmonger, one step removed from a neocon who applauds as Germany and Western Europe were raped of their own culture while American publishing houses raced to fill the vacuum with their ideas — and revenue-generators– of what Europeans and the rest of the world ought to read and think and believe.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Anonymous
  83. denk says:

    When Francis Boyles fingered US for the Ebola ‘leak’ it makes sense, lots of it.

    But now he reeks of a conspiracy theorist !

    Why does he jump to the conclusion that its a ‘leak’ from the Wuhan lab , what happens to the most likely scenario…..a FUKUS planted virus ?

    • Replies: @Alfred
  84. Horse237 says: • Website

    Democrats To Destroy US West Coast Within 14 Months.

    Perhaps I should rewrite the title above so it is more self-explanatory. Liberal Democrats will destroy the US West Coast because they will not stop the homeless from defecating in the streets and spreading fatal communicable diseases. Destruction to be Apocalyptic within 14 months.

    https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2020/02/26/democrats-to-destroy-us-west-coast-within-14-months/

  85. denk says:
    @AaronB

    tHE West rule based system ?

    cough cough !

    • Replies: @AaronB
  86. AaronB says:
    @denk

    Part of the reason the Western rules based system is breaking down today is in response to the challenge of a China playing by a different set of rules.

    As I said, I don’t think China is a chaotic or malicious actor – they are just playing the eternal game of human aggression and competition by a different set of rules that Chinese culture developed in order to avoid endless warfare and guarantee humanity a future.

    It is hard for Westerners to grasp, but in its own way when China steals technology and uses deceptive trade practices it is as noble as when the West competes within clear, rigid rules that leaves many people as losers and with harsh, bleak lives.

    From one perspective, the Western system of fair play based on rigid rules is extremely inhumane and harsh, creating as it does so many broken lives and losers, despite being “fair” and “honest”. From another perspective, the Chinese system is manifestly dishonest and unfair, despite being based on the noble desire to avoid the immense suffering caused by endless warfare.

    The problem is human aggression – as long as you accept that human aggression has a place in life, you must accommodate immorality in some form. The question then becomes which is is the least damaging form that leaves most space for human goodness, and different cultures answer this differently – and now two different answers, both based on good intentions, are clashing.

    Practical moral philosophy must, at least in the foreground, be based on mitigating aggression rather than eliminating it. That is the most moral stance one can take in practical philosophy.

    • Replies: @denk
    , @Tor597
    , @Showmethereal
  87. FvS says:
    @clickkid

    Just watch videos from China of their lackadaisical approach to workplace safety, their driving habits, or their escalator/elevator maintenance standards, and one will begin to see why human error is a very real possibility in this situation. China may use fancy infrastructure projects to maintain a facade of modernity, but they’re not all the way there yet.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_safety_incidents_in_China
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-food-safety-idUSKBN14D046

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  88. When some actual eyewitness who was actually there in whatever lab developing whatever bio-weapon and knows actually what was done with it and who did it, when, where, how, why…comes forward to a trustworthy media source…right, all three of them…to actually tell the truth about all this, let me know. Because right now I trust absolutely no media source on this: MSM, alt-left, alt-right, alt-whatever. It’s all opinion or forced-fake news, IMHO, to line someone’s or some group’s pocket.

    Bash this all you want…I do not care.

  89. denk says:
    @AaronB

    Economic hit man,
    Regime change,
    Assassinations,
    Bombings,
    R2p[lunder],
    War of terror

    due to the Chinese ‘challenge’ ?

  90. @JohnPlywood

    “Repeating this bullshit over and over again won’t make it true.”

    If you repeat the lie six million times people might believe it. There’s magic in that number that can turn anything, no matter how implausible, true.

  91. denk says:

    Pepe sounds like he’s endorsing BOyle’s accusation of China ??

  92. @Anonymous

    China, Russia, and Iran. America’s new Axis of Evil!

  93. Hacienda says:
    @Jason Liu

    “The old men in Zhongnaihai do not understand that they’re up against not just a single nation, but a world order that encompasses all domains cultural, ideological, political, diplomatic, etc. ”

    Maybe they know, but they just don’t care. Seems to me they are perfectly happy being the Big Bosses of China. The little Chinamen under them? As long as they keep serving “China”, everything’s alright.

  94. Sean says:

    America using a bioweapon would be too easily recognised for what it was. A better way would be for America to create a Chinese-infecting bio weapon and then let the Chinese use espionage to acquire it, then use US secret agents in China to release it down the road from the Chinese bioweapons facility, giving the appearance that the Chinese had compromise their isolation of the virus causing it to get out of China’s control and decimate China. While this would be a clever stratagem, it’s still somewhat obvious.

    It would be best to secretly create a specialised Chinese killing virus and let the Russians steal it, use US assets to engineer an apparent outbreak near the Russian bioweapons facility. The virus would have to kill thousands of Russians and Americans, otherwise it would be too obvious that it had been aimed at destroying China and America was behind it. Whether or not the United States has the knowhow and the will, I just don’t think the relevant part of the US elite have the moral courage to do it.

    Maybe that is too harsh, but ethics is makeshift and not logical. A common assumption is that morality is both logical and synonymous with unaggressive courses of action, yet after WW2 both John von Neumann and Bertrand Russell advocated a nuclear strike, or the threat of one, to prevent the Soviets acquiring their own atomic weapon capability. The US could have done it, but they just could not be bothered. Groups in control of states tend to do what they think will secure their state the extra power that is the only margin of safety in an uncertain world, but human calculations entail evolved “diminishing returns” assessments, which confer a basic aversion to risk. Subliminal conclusions that something is “too difficult and dangerous and would incur prohibitive retaliation” become articulated as “it would be immoral” in the conscious narrative.

    Only the Deep State would have the possibility to release a bioweapon, yet one wonders how the Deep State’s interests dovetail with those of the business elite or the hedge investing catering to pensions funds’, whose only objective is the largest possible returns. Warren Buffett made 600% on his investment in a Chinese maker of electric buses, which were being bought by US cities with Federal grants for carbon reduction.

    The American economic elite have no problem at all with China Becoming a Megapower, Wall St just want to be let in on Chinese growth in productive capacity, which is a major reason for Wall St hating Trump and his attempted trade war Frankly, the economic elite don’t care about what happens in the US because that is not where they are expecting to make money. Remember when John ‘jobs are not coming back’ McCain was running against Obama, and Phil Gramm his economic adviser’ gave a description of the United States as “a nation of whiners” in a mental recession.

    Until Trump no one had seriously raised the issue, and even Trump wants to be re elected and that is why in October, the US suddenly went back on the scheduled raise of Chinese goods tariffs from 25 to 30 per cent. There is an inextricable entanglement of the US and China that would make even targeted sanctions not easy to use. A bioweapon pandemic killing a million Chinese would crash the Chinese economy, which is where the super-rich Wall St elite have so much invested. So they would not be privy to such a decision.

    Doesn’t Huawei interlock with the Chinese Communist Party, the economic elite of China, and their organs of state security and intelligence services far more than any US enterprise does with the Demopublicans and Wall St? I just know that Boris was promised a cracking trade deal by the Chinese if Britain bought their 5G system, such access to the massive Chinese market (or being cut out it) are the way they work. And they will go from one success to another and overtake the US. Xi takes decisions as Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, not as president of China.

    RUPERT Murdoch .. enraged the Chinese government with a speech he made in London in September 1993, in which he claimed that new telecommunication technologies, “have proved an unambiguous threat to totalitarian regimes everywhere,” concluding that “satellite broadcasting makes it possible for information-hungry residents of many closed societies to bypass state-controlled television channels.” … Murdoch gave another speech in 1997 in which he said “China is a distinctive market with distinctive social and moral values that Western companies must learn to abide by”. He then made sure every relevant Chinese government official received a copy of the speech.

    In relation to China, the US elite that matters are lickspittles, and there is a limit to what trump can do. So if there is a Deep State of America that is determined to stop China by any means necessary it would be a good thing. But unfortunately there isn’t; doesn’t Escobar understand it is a choice between stopping China and getting rich? Even the domestic power of American business stems from outsourcing to Chinese workers in a globalised labour market. The elite are paid off, their greed has mand them passive, and they do not care about the US being supplanted. The influence of the Chinese Communist Party is already dominating US domestic politics and mass media, with 5G the sky’s the limit for operant conditioning.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  95. @Jason Liu

    I hope the leadership in China realizes, fast, that America isn’t a trading partner, it’s the enemy, and acts accordingly.

    Unfortunately China, Russia and Iran have all shown that they don’t have the stomach for a fight with America and as we all know, weakness like that only encourages a bully.

    For everyone’s sake, Russia, China and Iran should form a defense pact to counter (((Nato))).

  96. Tor597 says:
    @AaronB

    You’re not allowed to cheat in the European system? Lol what kind of nonsense is that? That is not reflective of Euroculture.

    Just look at Italy with its mafia or France with its massive corruption.

    You can say that about Anglos with its attempt at the rule of law, but even that is deceptive as it was never universal and ended up as a means of one group to scalp another.

    • LOL: Ber
    • Replies: @AaronB
  97. Tor597 says:
    @AaronB

    The west rules bases system is breaking down because it was never legit to begin with.

    From the beginning it was not universal. There were people it applied to and people it did not apply to.

    In modern times, the west can only blame themselves for the collapse. The wests voracious appetite to have something for nothing is breaking down because it is running out of people to colonize and stronger countries like China, Russia, and Iran are fighting back.

  98. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @animalogic

    But, it is passing strange that China has had so many viral “problems” over a relatively short period of time.

    Not so.

    A huge rural population living in close proximity with pigs, chickens and fish (raised in ponds and paddies), all harboring viruses or other agents capable of transmission to humans, with much coming and going between urban and rural populations by means of China’s magnificent new roads and railways, China is a natural spawning ground for novel human pathogens. And China has been spawning novel human pathogens since at least the Fourteenth-Century Black death.

  99. @animalogic

    So far, very — very few non-Chinese seem to have been infected or died from this disease. So, why would China be developing a (if its a man-made) chinese lethal disease ?

    This is the same country that murdered 30-60 million of it’s own people. The deaths from the disease are particularly hitting the elderly and other demographic groups that are weaker. They have an older people numbers problem just like the West.

    I doubt we will ever know what really happened here, but it’s out there and spreading. The Globalists seem to be using this as a test tool to close down transportation and create quarantines.

  100. Alfred says:
    @denk

    When Francis Boyles fingered US for the Ebola ‘leak’ it makes sense, lots of it.
    But now he reeks of a conspiracy theorist !
    Why does he jump to the conclusion that its a ‘leak’ from the Wuhan lab , what happens to the most likely scenario…..a FUKUS planted virus ?

    He is an old man. But maybe he wants to be with us a while longer.

    • Replies: @denk
  101. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @utu

    The Epoch Times is CIA/Falun Gong operation.

    What is a “CIA/Falun Gong operation”? Are you saying the CIA created Falun Gong, or they infiltrated it, or that Falun Gong infiltrated the CIA, or what? And what’s the evidence for this relationship, whatever it is?

    • Replies: @Naill
  102. AaronB says:
    @Tor597

    Sure, but no system is perfectly followed. There are always infractions, some bad actors, subverters, lapses, and loopholes.

    The same can be said about China’s system – it didn’t always prevent bloodshed and war, and was often imperfectly followed. Revolutions were not uncommon.

    But both systems worked fairly well for decent lengths of time. Although the West’s system is post WW2, so its hard to say how it would have stacked up in the long run.

    The important thing is to realize these systems both have a moral logic to them – they are serious and noteworthy works of practical moral philosophy.

    Perhaps today, as in many areas, better systems can be designed that combine elements from both traditions. Christianity has instilled in the West a basic aversion to deception – this isn’t the place to discuss the metaphysical assumptions that this is based on, but suffice it to say the East has always thought deception can be moral in certain uses – for instance, Buddhism developed the notion of “upaya” (skillful means), where a statement may not be strictly true but may be a relative truth that has a legitimate use in advancing spiritual growth. This is based on very different metaphysical assumptions about the nature of reality – basically, that everything revealed to us by our senses and mind are only relative truth anyways.

    Now, of course I am not saying that the West doesn’t engage in deception – of course it does. But Western moral philosophers are reluctant to make deception part of a moral system – failing to realize that a system of honest competition may be very harsh and inhumane on those it leaves behind, and ultimately lead to bloodshed and war.

    By contrast Sun Tzu, who more than just a brilliant strategist was a great moral philosopher whose main concern was preventing the immense suffering and bloodshed involved in war, recognized the moral uses of deception. In the West, only Machiavelli recognized the potential moral dimension of deception.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  103. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Escobar is a lively writer and sometimes says something I didn’t know. But this is just boiler plate, Unzite, paranoid, anti-American, drivel. I started making a note of the crazy, unsupported assertions, such as:

    From the point of view of Chinese intelligence, the current toxic cocktail simply cannot be attributed to just a random series of coincidences.

    the incessant United States government Hybrid War propaganda barrage, trespassed by acute Sinophobia

    everyone from sociopathic “officials” to self-titled councilors are either advising corporate businesses to divert global supply chains out of China or concocting outright calls for regime change

    There are no holds barred in the all-out offensive to kick the Chinese government while it’s down.

    Until I realized I’d have to note almost the entire article.

    What’s more, with one or two possible exceptions, no one here know’s nuthin’ more than Escobar, and it is likely, given the general obscurity of complex biological events, that the world never will know how the current China-originated viral pathogen emerged.

    But since almost everyone’s bullshitting, here’s my theory. The novel corona virus is particularly deadly to old folks, while it manifests as little more than a cold in the young. Thus, Trump and Xi plotted together to release this virus to rectify China’s demographic problem, and America’s too: an aging population. Thus will Social Security in America be saved: by getting rid of the most expensive recipients.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Tor597
    , @denk
  104. Anon[248] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    @AaronB

    I think that a lot of your general thesis is correct.

    However, I do not think that wars leave no future for “humanity.”

    European countries fought many wars from the Middle Ages all through to the Mid 20th century, and yet, their populations grew.

    Having a war every 20 years that kills 10% of the young men still does not greatly affect your population’s prospects. I believe that most warrior nations understand and accept this. I believe that MOST white people understand and accept this.

    But European violence and patriotism did threaten other groups. (You are Jewish, right?) warring Europeans might threatens certain other groups’ survival, such as Jews and maybe native Americans (although it seems *relatively* few Americans were actually murdered by whites).

    The peaceful, globalized world actually is far more threatening to the survival of the Western man than were the days of war. We are headed down a path where, in 150 years, whites will be a tiny minority of every Western city. Racial amalgamation will leave few whites in US, Canada, UK, France, (maybe) N. European countries, by 300 years, except for “rural backwaters,” to use the terminology of the anti-alt-right intellectual Eric Kaufman.

    War neurosis – the extreme commitments we must make to end all wars – is genociding us. War is preferable to genocide.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  105. Dumbo says:

    China is not a surprise, they have a lot of diseases, they eats dogs and bats.

    What’s more suspicious is Iran, who is not so near China and was also strongly affected.

    Italy, I don’t know. It may be a result of the Chinese presence in the North (lots of Chinese in some cities).

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Naill
  106. @P. McSorley

    Dean Koontz had it all figured out in his 1981 novel, The Eyes of Darkness.

    For the curious, this book is not worth your time. I wasted a few hours reading it last weekend.

    The Wuhan-400 virus is simply a MacGuffin to sew things up neatly at the end.

    The plot is very linear and the protagonists are the embodiment Gary Stu/Mary Sue. The tone of the novel is more young adult than anything else.

    The final chapters are nothing but an endless stream of deus ex machina events on the way to the neat and tidy conclusion.

  107. Ko says:

    There’s no way the West and especially the “system leader” U.S. will allow it. It all started with dirty ops stirring trouble across the periphery of Eurasia – from Ukraine to Syria to Myanmar.

    Hi Pepe,

    Could you direct me to your writing of, or knowledge of, ops + Myanmar?

  108. bjondo says:

    “Let no one, nothing superior go untouched.”

    Motto of PNAC Zionizedmurderka.

    5ds

  109. AaronB says:
    @Anon

    Sure, endemic small scale war isn’t a threat to civilization. It can even be fun and healthy, for those inclined. This is a kind of limited war, often fought according to limiting rules – chivalry was one such system. Trying excessively to eliminate this kind of thing can do more harm than good, I agree.

    But there is a kind of total war that becomes extremely vicious and destructive and which is felt as so horrific and threatening to civilization that it becomes a “problem” to be solved.

    In Europe, the Wars of Religion were such an episode, and the Thirty Years War in Germany – which reduced the population by an incredible 30% and left in its wake depopulated villages inhabited by wolves – was a representative sample. This inspired strenuous efforts by thinkers in Europe to find a solution to what was seen as qualitatively different than previous wars. From this was born many key elements of the modern liberal order, such as religious tolerance, free speech, compromise, a commitment to reasonableness, etc.

    WW1 of course was the next such episode, and inspired the further development of ideas that mitigate the ferocity of total war – like anti-nationalism, which was thought to be a massive contributing factor to Europe’s self-immolation, and the League of Nations.

    Now, I do take your point that solutions have to be found that are not worse than the disease, but the problem is a very grave one for humanity – especially now with nuclear weapons.

    Please not, I am not recommending the abolishment of war, i.e human aggression and competition. That would be impossibly utopian. So competition and aggression are a given – what is the best way to mitigate it?

    The recent Western way of extreme anti-nationalism coupled with total competition within transparent rules that leave no sympathy for the losers is, as I mentioned, a sub-optimal system.

  110. Anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Whether or not the United States has the knowhow and the will, I just don’t think the relevant part of the US elite have the moral courage to do it.

    Sean, you comment frequently on China, especially on the growing rivalry between the US and China. It seems like every other day or so you make a comment on this. Furthermore, you often claim in these comments that because of China’s economic growth and its potential to become economically larger than the US, the US will in the very near future engage in military action to curb China’s economic growth.

    Given the fact that US military action against China would be far more dangerous, risky, and destabilizing, and potentially risk a world war and nuclear war, why do you think that it’s a near inevitability that military action and war against China will be undertaken by the US elite in the near future to curb Chinese economic growth, but that a covert operation deploying a severe flu primarily harming older impaired people and mainly causing economic and political damage to China and disrupting its economic growth is somehow totally out of the realm of possibility?

    Isn’t military war and potentially risking world and nuclear war much riskier and requiring much more courage?

    • Replies: @Sean
  111. sally says:
    @Alfred Barnes

    The motivation should be obvious the mob will do anything to own the economy. The mob uses the governments it controls to do things the mob wants done. Engineering a virus into a weapon is a severe crime against humanity.

    Bio disaster engineers are the same kinds of people that convert search engine technology into behavior and mind control technology. Technology in the hands of the mob or governments that the mob control have added a new and highly threatening layer of danger to mankind, and to the freedoms mankind seeks: one more risk attributable to the oil and gas owned, petrodollar controlled, nation state system. Don’t make the mad scientist the guilty party make the politicians responsible. This is the kind of thing that will put whistle blowers, like Julian Assange, under the nation state jail. Anyone who comes forward with proof of the nation state involved in bio disaster engineering will probably have a 20 millisecond half-life.

    • Agree: Parfois1
  112. @Wizard of Oz

    “NoseytheDuke is a ridiculously childish pseudonym” Wizard of Oz. LOL

  113. @Loup-Bouc

    Shut up boomer. No one cares about your resume here.

  114. Agent76 says:

    Feb 24, 2020 Coronavirus Crisis in China: What To Believe? Brave Journalist Lifts Veil of Secrecy

    Jennifer Zeng, born and raised in China has been a key figure in the information war surrounding the ongoing crisis in China as the Chinese Government continues to suppress and control information.

    Feb 8, 2020 Interview: Author of US BioWeapons Act Believes The WHO & China Are Lying About The Coronavirus

    In this interview, Spiro’s guest is Francis Boyle, who is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois, College of Law. Professor Boyle is the man who drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, which was unanimously approved by Congress and signed into law by President George Bush.

    Feb 26, 2017 Bill Gates Just Warned a New Bioweapon Will Wipe Out 30 Million

  115. @Rollmop

    Totally wrong. Ancent Han were not the same people as modern Chinese. Also, white people have no basis for ethnic or cultural continuinty.

    • Replies: @Daemon
    , @Rollmop
  116. SBaker says:
    @Stan

    Stan, it is not swine flu, but is African Swine Fever (ASF) that is wiping out a 100 million or more head of their swine population–it is not an influenza virus. The novel coronavirus most likely was an accidental escape from the virology lab in Wuhan.

  117. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    What’s more suspicious is Iran

    US sanctions have driven the population to eat bats.

  118. Tor597 says:
    @AaronB

    Your perspective is heavily biased.

    Basically, white people are high minded people trying to institute the rule of law and Asians are sneaky bastards trying to conceive their way through life. You have that perspective because you are white.

    You say it worked for a very long time, but worked for whom? It didn’t work for black people who were enslaved, nor for red people who were wiped out, nor for yellow people who were colonized, nor for poor white people who were also enslaved and genocides.

    The people at the top, white Anglos in America, did well for awhile. But that does not make it moral.

    If anything, what defines white people us this path of winner takes all where there is an elite that makes out but everyone else gets exploited.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anon
  119. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    But a better theory is that the Chinese released this thing on themselves in the belief that only they had the authority to contain it, whereas the rest of the world would be thrown into total chaos. Today, as it happens, the number of new infections in the rest of the world exceeded those in China.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  120. Tor597 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    It’s not paranoid, PNAC literally mentions using bioweapons and how it is a useful tool. Plus Darpa has done a lot of research into Corona Virus as a weapon.

    “…combat likely will take place in new dimensions: in space, “cyber-space,” and perhaps the world of microbes…advanced forms of biological warfare that can “target” specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool.”

    https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses/page/n5/mode/2up

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke, Ber
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  121. AaronB says:
    @Tor597

    I was trying to show how the so called rule of law can be harsh and inhumane, and how deception can be a way to channel aggression into more manageable forms.

    I am trying to introduce nuance into the ordinary view.

  122. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    First of all nuclear weapons are a deterrent to nuclear war, not conventional war, because the threat of an incredible action is not a credible deterrent. If a China mounts an offensive to take Vladivostok (to teach Russia a lesson) then Russia is going to fight conventionally. No one is going to start a nuclear war, although they all would retaliate to a nuclear first use.

    Given the fact that US military action against China would be far more dangerous, risky, and destabilizing, and potentially risk a world war and nuclear war, why do you think that it’s a near inevitability that military action and war against China will be undertaken by the US elite in the near future to curb Chinese economic growth, but that a covert operation deploying a severe flu primarily harming older impaired people and mainly causing economic and political damage to China and disrupting its economic growth is somehow totally out of the realm of possibility?

    Clearly a a covert operation deploying a severe flu for causing economic damage to China is by no means an impossibility if it was the action of some tiny clique inside the Deep State. But they would have to be acting alone because as I tried to explain in the gist of mycommnet, the US elites are not like the Chinese elite, which is coelesed in the Chinese Communist Party. American elites as they have a plurality of interests; being Deep State, Wall St, political officials and elements of the executive and the economic elites are the most deeply invested in China. Even Trump is backing off the tariffs because he knows China cannot be taken down sharply without hurting the average person in the US.

    This outbreak seems to be not very bioweapon like because it has not killed young people of many people. An actual bioweapon would be about as carefully guarded as nuclear weapons, which is very carefully indeed by special military police and with officers demanding triplicate countersigned before releasing them. For drone hitting that Iranian the officers asked to see the written order. The slightest slip up with protocols for nukes is the end of a officer’s career. You cannot get them out their repositories without multiple top level authorisation, except in the movies.

    Even if the scientists created such a bioweapon without asking questions as to the provenance of the order, it would be obvious to them it was intended to be used in peacetime to be releases and would necessarily kill innocent people and all over the world including America would not be handed over targeting Chinese would have to be the product of a very well funded program authorized by someone in authority. It would not be under the CIA, but a different institution. Dubious that the US even has the capacity to create a super flu, let alone one that that kills mainly Chinese and not too many of them. Much too obvious to just start an outbreak in China, and so the US Deep State would use Russia as a cat’s paw if it was doing it.

    The odds are that because of China’s economic growth and its potential to become economically larger than the US, the US and China are fated to get into military pressure, possibly proxy war . However, the Chinese know that is best avoided while they are still in a vulnerable stage with an economy than needs to become more powerful. Once they are a strong as you know what they will act like it.

    https://thediplomat.com/2012/03/godzilla-attacks/

    Mearsheimer writes: “My theory of international politics says that the mightiest states attempt to establish hegemony in their own region while making sure that no rival great power dominates another region. The ultimate goal of every great power is to maximize its share of world power and eventually dominate the system.” Because no power can truly make itself a global hegemon – resources are too finite, distances that attenuate power too great – the most any state can realistically hope to accomplish is to enforce its own rules in its geographic environs while keeping others from posing a serious extra-regional threat.

    Trump is the worst thing that has happened to China and I really do not think he can be seen as part of one of the US’s aforementioned elites. The Deep State hate Trump, and I think this is because they–still fixated on the Cold War–see Russia as the threat. That China is infiltrating and hollowing out the America is not something the Deep Staters worry about , apart from Gen (Ret) Rob Spalding who was forced out daring to talk about the issue

    @robert_spalding
    “In sum: Whoever rules the words rules the world. In the eyes of the CCP, the West’s superior discourse power is an existential threat more imminent than the remote possibility of a foreign military invasion.”

  123. Naill says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    TMI

    (Too Much Information) … of the useless type ie. (that is).
    Commenters are not here to find out your life story. Sorry to be cruel.

  124. Tor597 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Lol.

    It is funny seeing the mental gymnastics people go through to try and pin this on China no matter what.

    China does not contain the virus: See, the Chinaman released the virus on purpose to kill the older people in their country and to contain HK protests.

    China does contain the virus: See, the Chinaman released it on themselves because they knew they could handle the outbreak but the west was full of incompetents.

    Only the Chinaman is capable of using the reverse, reverse, reverse strategy to win!

    • Agree: utu, Ber
  125. Anonymous[176] • Disclaimer says:

    …hacks even accuse BRI itself of being a pandemic, with China “impossible to quarantine”.

    This kind of talk only reinforces my suspicions that the virus outbreak was a deliberate bioweapon attack on China.

  126. Naill says:
    @Alfred

    Your purpose for commenting here seems to nit pick at the irrelevant. Or do grammar and writing checks. Or possibly some other more sinister reason. Whatever.

    So who doesn’t already know that acronyms have hundreds of possibilities? Using some commonsense, one would then search the term ‘PPP basis’ which the author used, and viola, up comes just the one relevant one.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  127. SBaker says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    You have great entertainment value and you are right about publications in professional journals, but this is not that venue.

  128. Anonymous[951] • Disclaimer says:

    Even Trump is backing off the tariffs because he knows China cannot be taken down sharply without hurting the average person in the US.

    This outbreak seems to be not very bioweapon like because it has not killed young people of many people.

    It does not follow that just because an outbreak doesn’t kill everybody that it cannot be a bioweapon. That’s like saying the assassination of Soleimani couldn’t have been a US drone strike because it didn’t kill the rest of the Iranian military and government.

    Trump is not “backing off the tariffs” on China. Most of the tariffs remain in place. The point of tariffs is to gradually reduce the US trade deficit with China and to slow down Chinese economic growth. It’s not supposed to be a sharp dislocation that causes too much sudden pain to most average Americans. A putative bioweapon behind this outbreak would be similar in that it would not be too deadly and too much of a sudden escalation.

    In the eyes of the CCP, the West’s superior discourse power is an existential threat more imminent than the remote possibility of a foreign military invasion.

    And we’ve been seeing this superior discourse power during the coverage of this outbreak, shaping perceptions and reality for people around the world. This discourse power is more powerful and a greater threat to China than the virus outbreak itself.

    • Replies: @Sean
  129. Anon[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    AaronB is not talking about the world of American slavery or European colonialism, he already told you that. If you read his comments, he is talking about what European countries began to do after the World Wars (“Although the West’s system is post WW2”).

    He is talking about the post-colonial world of the UN, trade agreements, international law, etc. The world is not one of winner-take-all for white people anymore.

    Also, I’m pretty sure that AaronB is Jewish, so he is not going to be too pro-white.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  130. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tor597

    It’s not paranoid, PNAC literally mentions using bioweapons

    Well obviously bioweapons exist for possible use, as with every other type of weapon.

    But no war has been declared and there is no reason for a state of war to exist.

    The US an China have a massive bilateral trade relationship by which both parties benefit. Why would either declare war or engage in surreptitious war against the other?

    And why, if they intended to wage war, would the US use a biological weapon that would inevitably come back on them?

    Your assumption is completely unsupported by real evidence and anyway makes no sense.

    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @Anon
  131. JUSA says:

    As much as it is a tragedy, the silver lining here will be a complete and total decoupling of US and Chinese/Asian economy. We need to produce more of what we consume, they need to consume more of what they produce. Both countries will be better off. I look forward to such a complete decoupling. May it be the end of the globalization experiment. Globalists need to go die, or just move to China.

  132. Naill says:
    @CanSpeccy

    There are intelligence leaks regarding this which you will find on the internet. Of course you will not get evidence on a plate as we all know what happens to CIA informants

  133. Loup-Bouc says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    TO: NoseytheDuke, re: your reply comment of February 26, 2020 at 5:38 am GMT

    Your reply: mostly infantile sarcasm, occasionally sophomoric stupidity, both mixed with much bad diction and bad grammar, and an over-spicing of premise-lacking presumptuousness.

    Sarcasm stands among the greatest proofs of stupidity — stupidity of the sarcastic person, not the sarcasm’s objects. You depend much on sarcasm, rather than critical wit.

    [MORE]

    So that you may comprehend (if YOU can) the meaning of critical wit, view the French film “Ridicule” and consider carefully the language and actions of the character Ponceludon de Malavoy, a provincial nobleman blessed with a fine mind (the finest of the minds of the characters of the film), a truly good heart filled with empathic charity, and an absence of narcissism, but disabled by false (but soon cured) apprehension that others are better than he. To read one of the very few not-gravely-shallow reviews of the film, see here: https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/ridicule-1996

    You appear not able to distinguish sarcasm from, E.G., irony — in your writing (in actual practice), not merely by definitions you may have learned by rote or may cut and paste from some onlne dictionary.

    If you view the film “Ridicule” (referenced above), note the scene where Ponceludon de Malavoy meets the king (Louis seizième) when the king is descending an exterior castle-stair.

    The king says he has heard that Malavoy possesses excellent wit (“esprit”), and the king demands that Malavoy compose an example that references him (the king, sa Majesté, la même Louis seizième).

    Malavoy is nonplussed. He fears he may utter something the king will deem an insult. After a breath or two, Malavoy utters, brilliantly: “Le roi n’est pas un sujet” (the king is not a subject).

    King Louis reacts: “But isn’t that a pun? [Per perception of French nobles of the court of Louis seizième, puns were signs of inferior intelligence and bad taste. (Alas, poor Shakespeare.)]

    Malavoy’s sponsor responds: “Non. C’est un jeu de mots.” (No. It’s a “play on words.”)

    You are like King Louis, an inferior intellect inadequately educated (in Louis’s case, likely much because of long inbreeding of the French royal line).

    Now your notice, and misuse, of the fact of my much-earlier typing errors:

    Typing errors imply NOTHING respecting intelligence.

    When I began posting comments concerning Unz Review articles (my first comments occurring under Eric Striker’s 28 December 2019 article “Jewish Brilliance: Synthetic Like Zirconia”), I tried to compose my texts directly at the Unz Review website. I edit all my texts intensively. The composition-space provided is small, my eyesight poor (trembles, even when I wear eyeglasses), and I did not notice the edit-function that is available.

    So, I committed typing errors and missed editing-glitches (which are species of typing-error). And, until after my comment posted in a larger space and I read it again, I did not see typing-errors. When my comment posted and appeared in larger space, I saw my errors and corrected them. By CORRECTING my typing/editing-glitches, I showed the strength of my intellect, my fine my education, and my honor.

    [Some websites use the “Disqus” comment-posting system, which permits unlimited editing, not time-constrained. When I have commented at those websites, near-all my comments have been spared, UTTERLY, both typing-errors and editing-glitches — as have been spared any who have read my comments there.]

    A couple times, because I lacked time enough for proofreading, I posted a comment under a preface that confessed I would not proofread and apologized for any errors I would commit. See, E.G., my comments of February 22, 2020 at 11:00 pm GMT and February 23, 2020 at 2:10 am GMT, posted under Ron Unz,’s article “Race and Crime in America.”

    I considered the balance of (a) chance-of-error and (b) need of criticizing a flagrantly bad and dangerous argument, immediately. Perhaps injudiciously, I chose the former. Maybe I was guilty of too-quick judgment; but, if so, my failing was one of negligence (which I regret), not a consequence of weakness of intelligence or poor or absent education.

    When I found time to do a bit of proofreading of my February 22, 2020 at 11:00 pm GMT comment re: Ron Unz,’s article “Race and Crime in America,” I corrected the only vital error (of my comment of February 23, 2020 at 2:10 am GMT) — just as, consistently, I have confessed my typing/editing errors and corrected them — except a few that would not bar a careful reader’s accurate comprehension [see my comment of February 23, 2020 at 2:10 am GMT, posted under Ron Unz,’s article “Race and Crime in America”].

    Then, having found more time for proofreading, I corrected another error of the same comment of February 22, 2020 at 11:00 pm GMT. [See my comment of February 23, 2020 at 7:30 pm GMT.]

    YOU DO NOT EVEN PERCEIVE YOUR ERRORS — errors of substance, not mere typing/editing errors — because YOUR errors issue from your intellectual and educational weaknesses and inadequate intellectual discipline. (Or, arguably worse, you choose not to confess and correct your errors.)

    But the matter is the quality of FINAL PRODUCT — NOT the quality of mechanical skills like typing or manipulation of electronic formatting-devices of word-processing provisions of a website’s comment-posting system.

    I confess I type badly — partly because, until recently, I dictated my texts to a secretary who typed them, partly because I never learned proper typing-method (and type much with two fingers), partly because my brain operates much faster than my fingers’ dexterity and eyesight can accommodate.

    My comments’ FINAL drafts are sound (even if not perfect, for the reason that no one is capable of producing perfection, ever). YOUR comments are NOT sound; and they swim, badly, FAR from the perfect.

    With your comments replying to my comments, you exhibit not typing errors, but weak intelligence and either poor education or failure of assimilating the contents of any good education you may have encountered.

    If you attended college, perhaps you suffered being miseducated by a poor faculty of a middling or poor institution.

    Or perhaps you attended a “good” school at a time too late — after the advent of
    (a) student consumerism
    (b) rampant affirmative action (or, later, ALSO pro-homosexual affirmative action)
    (c) drift-grammar (which apologizes for illogical grammar and sloppy diction & syntax and which is among the worst agencies of “dumbing-down” and encouraging the advance of idiocy)
    (d) political correctness (which reinforces the mentality of drift grammar)
    (e) exaltation of rote-learning and of the rote-learnable
    (f) multiple-choice-answer testing
    and
    (g) paucity or derogation of rigorously deconstructive and truly critical thought

    The VITAL trouble is that you and “The Scalpel” and “Naill” sought to veer
    (a) the matter of Pepe Escobar article’s troublously negligent acronym and other all-caps abbreviation usage
    into
    (b) an ad hominem attack of me — my person — E.G., these of your statements:
    (i) “your claim to be a scholar of mathematics while simultaneously being not aware of what STEM denotes” [your reply of February 26, 2020 at 5:38 am GMT, which implies, wrongly, that knowing “what STEM denotes” is a matter of mathematics or of being a mathematician]
    and
    (ii) “the weight of your ‘genius’ is causing downward pressure on your (is it octogenarian?) spine resulting in restricted blood flow to a brain with greater than normal blood-oxygen requirements” [your same reply (of February 26, 2020 at 5:38 am GMT), which shows both (A) your ignorance of human anatomy and physiology & also (B) your lack of grasp of detail of research, arithmetic, or diction (for, in at least one comment, I wrote that my age is 79, which indicates calling me a septuagenarian, NOT an octogenarian].

    I note that you have not attempted to criticize — empirically, logically, etymologically, or according to any respectable English-writing-style treatise (E.G., Strunk & White) — any of my substantive arguments or observations, E.G., the following paragraph of my [February 25, 2020 at 10:29 pm GMT] comment, responding to the [February 25, 2020 at 12:41 pm GMT] comment of “The Scalpel” — his comment’s assertion that “PPP” & “STEM” are “standard common” [sic] abbreviations:

    “PPP” has not been commonplace in economics journals; hence one cannot say it is a “standard” of economics literature. “PPP” has been limited much to normative policy arguments concerning whether or how to return to the gold standard — arguments not begun until after WWI.

    You cannot disagree, validly, with that observation, because it is correct.

    I doubt you can appreciate the vital difference of (a) substantive criticism of problematic language of an instance of poor journalistic writing VERSUS (b) ad hominem attack. If you CAN appreciate the difference, your conduct is contemnable (and I mean “contemnable,” NOT contemptible”).

    You seem to relish attacking characters. But you do so incompetently; for, apparently, you cannot perform competently ANYTHING LINGUISTIC.

    I shall not respond again to your childish game. I shall not reply further — to you or to “The Scalpel” or “Naill,” or to anyone else who tries to lower discussion to where you have sought to tumble it.

    I ought not have let myself be seduced to detour into trying to thwart your game. Henceforth, I shall disregard it and never respond to your comments or those of “The Scalpel” and “Naill.” My non-response will not imply that I agree or cede.

    CODA: I HAVE NOT PROOFREAD THIS COMMENT (and I shall not proofread it), BECAUSE I OWE MY LEGAL WORK — AND MY CLIENTS — MOST OF MY TIME (and your reaction does not deserve my concern).

  134. @NoseytheDuke

    PS What do you make of his Loup-Bouc moniker? [Googling it I got nothing, though Wolf-Goat is the English translation]

  135. Naill says:
    @Dumbo

    Your NON scientific judgement does not explain anything here. Many societies eat exotic animals, and Iran is likely not one of those, sanctions or not. Chinese do not have any more diseases that other societies. Since the coronavirus outbreak, suddenly we are seeing this “chinese have many diseases ” line repeated by many “dumbos” online.

    “The lady doth protests too much, methinks”

  136. Tor597 says:
    @Anon

    That is an arbitrary point to argue. Post WW2 was not like an age of enlightenment for white people or anything.

    During this stage white people still brutally colonized the rest of the world. See the Korean war, Vietnam War, Iraq War, assasinations, etc etc. This is actually a worse period for the rest of the world because it is when the west established itself as the most powerful, and used its power to establish hegemony throughout the world.

    This was definitely not the period of the rule of law or some other nonsense.

    By the way, it still is a winner take all world for white people. It’s just that it’s not for all white people. Only the whites at the very top benefit, while the poor non elite whites get harvested like everyone else.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Anon
  137. @Naill

    Well it bodes pretty well with my experience of Mainland Chinese. A decade back the unemployment office sent me over to a local business that I got hired on with, it is owned by a mainland Chinese dual citizen who reserves all the good positions for his nepotistic family hires, even making fake unnecessary positions for them, some even live in other states, check in on the computer once or twice a day and get a direct deposit paycheck. I’ve found them to be EXACTLY LIKE THE FERENGI ON STAR TREK. Whoever wrote those Ferengi episodes centering on Quark’s Bar on Deep Space 9 must have had first hand experience with Mainland Chinese. Foul, selfish, offensive, cheap, and arrogant. They are also quite incompetent and peddle total junk that doesn’t work. I can’t believe the government lets this crap into the country, on Amazon and Ebay you can bypass the professional purchasing managers who know their craft in the brick and mortar stores. Now I know a whole lot of these online sellers at Amazon are really Mainland Chinese infesting our country peddling shoddy goods. The brothers at work joke and call it “fake ass shit” it’s not outright counterfeits, just strange off brand knock offs with domestic Chinese consumer grade quality. They are also big liars, I don’t believe a word they say.

    • Replies: @Naill
  138. Tor597 says:
    @CanSpeccy

    This is very easy to explain.

    There is no official war declared, but we are in a new Cold War with China. This is obvious even though it is not stated directly. See the trade wars, war against Huawei, fight for control in Africa and the ME.

    Both parties benefit from trade, but China more so. This is mainly because our banking system is parasitical and serves to extract wealth instead of creating wealth.

    But never the less, the powers that be in America see the writing on the wall. If momentum Carrie’s through as is, China will surpass the west and become too powerful to contain.

    The real threat to America is the threat to dollar hegemony. At some point China could have an alternate to the dollar, and at that point America could not just print money. America would just be like any other country and have to earn wealth the hard way.

    Biological warfare, especially one targetted by race, is pretty much the only card America had left to play. America could not win a conventional war. Neither could it win a nuclear war.

    America could win a biowar, since there is plausible deniability and the intention was to wreck China while America was left unaffected.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  139. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    I think there are problems with thinking it is a bioweapon at all; much too specialised and asking scientist to develop something like that and then ordering it used by the CIA would be impossible. I don’t think the people would obey orders because they would know they were illicit. A huge reason for doubting it is a bioweapon is it surely is beyond the state of the art at present. Even if it was not this is not the kind of thing that would be developed except for surreptitious peacetime use, as the scientist s commissioned to create it would understand. Moreover they would know too much in the aftermath, and knowingly be signing their own death warrant; they would not be left around to talk. Inasmuch it looks very like another of the Chinese bat origin flus, and is hitting immune compromised especially the old hardest, there is no compelling reason to think it it is anything but a naturally arisen disease.

    It could be a incredibly sophisticated bioweapon, yet supposing that was true the Chinese (who are no fools and have their own scientists) would know that had been attacked and return the favour by tweaking it to kill Americans and releasing it in America, wouldn’t they? And all that is assuming the original bioweapons scientists could know how lethal it would be. They would have to have tested it to gauge its lethality, and yet how it would spread in a city (speed of spread affects virulence) would be impossible to know with any degree of certainty. It could infect most of the world’s population and kill orders of magnitude more people than projected quite easily. I think people tend to assume that secret services like 007’s Q, have all kinds of capabilities far beyond current state of the art, and they are staffed with fanatics who are, without question comment or misgivings, willing to flush their life down the toilet just because some superior tells them to. Malevolence does not confer capability.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  140. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s still a lingering desire for “let’s trade but leave each other alone”. That’s not gonna happen. It was never gonna happen. I hope they smarten up.

    I don’t think China is as naive as you think. Why is it that all our high schools are now teaching Chinese as a foreign language? Practically all the teachers are from China, paid for by the Chinese government. In addition, many of our colleges now have a “Confusion Institute”, again paid for by the Chinese government. People of Chinese descent in the US, regardless of whether they are or were Chinese citizens, find the CCP mouthpiece China Daily mysteriously appearing in their driveway every Friday, unless they call some mysterious number to stop it. They get knocks on their doors from China people they’ve never met asking if they spoke Chinese.

    The Chinese government has been secretly recruiting ethnic Chinese in the US to work on their behalf for years now. The US is playing a dangerous and stupid game. You cannot simultaneously launch a war against China and then continue to accept large numbers of citizens from that country into the US, giving them student visas, 10 year tourist visas, EB5 visas, work visas, green cards, citizenships. These people can only be loyal to China, no matter what passport they hold. If the US is to win this war, the first thing we need to do is repatriate every single Chinese citizen in this country, present and former. Send them packing or we will have the fifth columnists working against us from within.

  141. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:
    @CanSpeccy

    The US an China have a massive bilateral trade relationship by which both parties benefit. Why would either declare war or engage in surreptitious war against the other?

    And why, if they intended to wage war, would the US use a biological weapon that would inevitably come back on them?

    Geopolitics is a zero-sum game. The more powerful country X becomes, the less powerful country Y does.

    The more China trades with the US and other countries, the greater its economic growth, which translates to greater political and military power. The greater the Chinese political and military power, the lesser the power of the US in the zero-sum game of geopolitics.

    The Trump administration and many in the US foreign policy establishment have said that the trade relationship with China, regardless of its economic benefits, is a problem because it supports Chinese economic growth, which then supports Chinese political and military power. The point of the tariffs and moving supply chains and production out of China is to reduce or slow down the Chinese economic growth which supports China’s political and military power.

    A bioweapon like this coronavirus in this context is the perfect weapon. It slows down China’s economy and image as a trade partner around the world, promotes the movement of supply chains and production out of China and back into the US or into US allies, builds up political capital for China hawks who want greater decoupling from China and a more hostile stance towards it, and its collateral damage is relatively low such that even if it hits the US it will not be too devastating but like a severe flu outbreak.

    This bioweapon needs to be seen as an alternative weapon, not as a military weapon whose efficacy is measured solely in terms of physical casualties. It’s an economic, political, cultural, psychological weapon. It should be viewed as akin to tariffs, sanctions, media propaganda.

    Remember that former Sec. of State Madeleine Albright responded affirmatively when she was asked if the sanctions against Iraq were “worth it” even if as it was estimated half a million children had died as a result of them. The human toll of those sanctions supported by the US against Iraq were far worse than this outbreak in China.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Robjil
  142. @The Scalpel

    Hahaha! I didn’t earn an LOL button this week; but grandfather wouldn’t know what it meant anyway.

  143. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    TO: Wizard of Oz, re: your comment of February 27, 2020 at 12:47 am GMT

    No, Monsieur Crétin.

    En français, la plus belle langue, “loup” signifie “male wolf” et “bouc” signifie “male goat.”

    Comparez “louve,” qui signifie “female wolf,” et chèvre qui signifie “female goat.”

    Pas vous souhaitant bonne chance,

    Loup-Bouc

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Parfois1
  144. @Loup-Bouc

    Gawd almighty you’re a blow- hard lawyer, what a shock.

  145. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    It’s well established that this sort of research and development into bioweapons has been going on for decades in many countries.

    Yes, retaliation would be bad, but if the possibility of retaliation were sufficient to prevent any kind of initiative, nothing would ever happen. Things do happen. Moreover, retaliation would accelerate decoupling and hostilities, which would not be unwelcome from the point of view of those who would choose to go down this road in the first place.

    • Replies: @Sean
  146. AaronB says:
    @Tor597

    This was definitely not the period of the rule of law or some other nonsense.

    Law does not mean benevolence – it means competition within certain limits, that are clear and transparent, that limits the level of aggression. It does not mean benevolence.

    I did not suggest the West was acting in a benevolent manner – I suggested it devised a system of limits on aggression, a set of clear rules, for the purpose of preventing aggression from getting out of control. Within those limits, selfish aggression is permitted.

    It is based on the idea that it is impossible to eliminate selfish aggression from the world, so the practical moralist tries to prevent it from getting too destructive.

    So I wasn’t idealizing the West. Morally, I do not see why brute force is better than cunning, although the person who excels at brute force may well wish to convince others of that.

    Brute force and blunt confrontation may lead to devastating bloodshed, as the West discovered most recently in WW1 and 2 and China discovered in ancient times. Moving away from brute force and towards cunning may be a way to save lives.

    I am not promoting this morality – no good person would act with cunning or force for selfish ends. It is certainly not a morality one should personally practice. I am saying that if we wish to constrain the most selfishly aggressive people in society, we have to accept their disposition as it is and try and push it into channels that will allow them to carry on their competition in wats that won’t destroy civilization.

  147. denk says:
    @Alfred

    There’s another one.
    During the SARS1 attack, JOn Rapopport was one of my go to guy

    He correctly identified SARS1 as an economic warfare against not only China, but Asia.

    SARS AS ECONOMIC WARFARE

    May 12. Toronto will suffer half a billion dollars worth of lost business. Economies in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and mainland China are taking heavy hits. Global airline $$ have fallen off.

    Trade wars go on all the time, and the US versus Asia is no exception. The US CDC has pitched in to put a major crinkle in Asia’s economies

    http://whale.to/v/sars1.html

    The current SARS2 [covid 19] is obviously the hot phase of Trump’s economic blitzkrieg , just see how [[[they]]] are salivating for a economic melt down in China….[[[Gordon Chang]]] is finally vindicated LOL !

    Yet Rapopport has gone full retard about ‘a Chinese FF to cover up their smog and suppress their dissidents’ !

    Jeeze !
    what happens to these people, have they
    been doing limited hand out all these years in order to earn some street cred and they’r showing their true color now ???

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Ber
  148. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    TO: Wizard of Oz, re your comment of February 27, 2020 at 12:47 am GMT

    Earlier this eve, I responded to your comment. My response bore statements rendered with the French language (the most beautiful language). I rendered my response’s statements so, because my moniker, Loup-Bouc, is French.

    Apparently, this website’s censor disliked my putting a French-language post. The post has vanished. So, I shall state essentially the same matter with English prose.

    You err.

    Loup-Bouc does NOT mean Wolf-Goat. It means “Male Wolf- Male goat.”

    Compare “louve,” which means “female wolf,” and chèvre, which “female goat.”

    And my moniker means, TO ME, nothing you could understand.

  149. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    TO: Wizard of Oz, re your comment of February 27, 2020 at 12:47 am GMT

    I saw, just now, that the censor let my French-language reply post.

    Sorry for replying also with an English-language post.

  150. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Tor597

    Biological warfare, especially one targetted by race, is pretty much the only card America had left to play. America could not win a conventional war. Neither could it win a nuclear war.

    Doesn’t seem much of a card, and not much of a targeted weapon either, with infection rates outside China now greater than those reported inside China.

    America could win a biowar, since there is plausible deniability and the intention was to wreck China while America was left unaffected.

    What you call plausible deniability is due to the near certainty that the novel Coronavirus is just another animal to man viruses of which China produces a regular succession. And it does so for the obvious reason I stated above (China has a large rural population living in close proximity with fish, fowl and pigs with the result that viruses, previously unknown in humans, regularly make the jump from animal to man).

    And in the improbable event that the novel corona virus were a “bioweapon,” it is evidently a dud that has backfired, killing few Chinese while creating panic throughout the rest of the world.

    Anyway, the idea that America is doomed by China’s progress is quote wrong. As Jason Liu noted above, America is just one member of a system of interdependent democratic, market capitalist nations. China is heavily engaged with all of these nations and will likely become increasingly and peaceably integrated with them. True America’s ability to bully and boss other countries diminishes as it’s share of GDP shrinks. But going to war with China is not going to halt America’s inevitable continued relative economic, scientific, technological and cultural decline.

  151. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Naill

    I find Serpentza quite credible. Chinese are too nationalistic, too proud and too insecure. Self-critique is important if you want to seek improvement. China has many characteristics that are very unappealing to people in the West, like their bystander effect, lack of chivalry/charity/honesty, selfishness, poor personal hygiene, poor postures, loud talking especially indoors, bad table manners, thin skin, etc. I see this all the time with mainland Chinese around me. You can spot them from a mile away. They are loud everywhere they go. People don’t say anything because we are all too polite here in the West, but they are greatly disdained.

    If China wants to gain world respect, it must shed these undesirable characteristics. He is trying to help China improve. If the Chinese were wise, they’d listen to him instead of hating on him like an enemy. Chinese cares too much about “saving face”. I’m sure many also secretly agree with the negative aspects of China that he discussed on his show. Most people only want to see their country praised to high heaven on YouTube, I see that all the time with hateful comments from natives of countries that get negative reviews. Only the West has the honesty to self-critique, that’s why even the Chinese want to move here in droves.

    The hallmark of a good country is one where the people openly criticize their government, as well as acknowledge/poke fun at their own flaws.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Naill
  152. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Anon

    The more China trades with the US and other countries, the greater its economic growth, which translates to greater political and military power.

    Ya ya, we understand all that. But China is still small relative to the rest of the world, and not that powerful, even in relation to tiny (by GDP) Russia. The world is integrating and China will integrate too. The idea that China should rule the world is contrary to Chinese tradition and thinking. All the Chinese want from the world is trade, peaceable relations, and respect.

  153. denk says:
    @CanSpeccy

    But since almost everyone’s bullshitting, here’s my theory. The novel corona virus is particularly deadly to old folks, while it manifests as little more than a cold in the young. Thus, Trump and Xi plotted together to release this virus to rectify China’s demographic problem, and America’s too:

    Detective 101
    ——————–
    AFTER eliminating all the most likely scenarios, the remaining one become the truth, no matter how unlikely it appear to be.

    True to form,
    Speccy the fuck tard is doing it ass backward,
    LOL !

  154. Anonymous[248] • Disclaimer says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Also looking at past results for the world military games, the US always brings home very little medals. In 2015 they brought home a total of 6 medals. In 2011 it was 5.

    Is it because they tend to send a bunch of Paul Blarts, or a bunch of Chelsea Mannings? 🙂

  155. Leviticus 11
    (Foods Permitted and Forbidden)
    44 For I am the Lord your God. You shall therefore consecrate yourselves, and you shall be holy; for I am holy. Neither shall you defile yourselves with any creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 45 For I am the Lord who brings you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God. You shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.

    46 ‘This is the law of the animals and the birds and every living creature that moves in the waters, and of every creature that creeps on the earth, 47 to distinguish between the unclean and the clean, and between the animal that may be eaten and the animal that may not be eaten.’ ”

  156. Parfois1 says:
    @Alfred

    Please don’t criticise someone because he is a learned lawyer and has not come across these technical terms. 99% of the population of the globe is unfamiliar with them. Also, don’t assume that everyone reading here has been brainwashed by CNN and the US “educational” system.

    That hullabaloo has been kicked down the road far too often and I appreciate your gracious intervention on behalf of “accused”. However, he perhaps should have accepted the initial dressing down and recoil to his rock (assuming he dwells under one).

    But I take objection to your defence of his being only a “learned lawyer”. I admit not knowing where the “learned lawyer” got his qualifications but a lawyer almost anywhere has a good grounding in other areas of learning – double degrees for starters – and, because legal issues arise from human and social interactions, also a good background in almost any field of human activity. For instance a lawyer handling a matter of say, an injury in a building construction accident, needs to know something about human physiology, materials, building techniques, structural forces, safety rules, and many other issues germaine to the case. Similarly a criminal case brings a large array of disciplines into the legal fray. In my opinion I think a lawyer is the professional most exposed to other sciences and human conduct.

    But I don’t know about US “lawyering” – maybe the “accused” reflects the standards of that jurisdiction…

  157. @Adûnâi

    That guys whole internet career is built off of trying to make things up about China – with carefully crafted stories and videos completely out of context. He’s like a lite version of “China Uncensored”. You know the saying about believing half of what you see and less of what you hear…?

  158. @Savior General

    Epoch Times is run by Falun Gong…. Do you need an explanation on that? They are a cult.

  159. Loup-Bouc says:
    @Commentator Mike

    [Too much totally off-topic rambling. Try to occasionally make substantive points if you want your comments published.]

  160. Parfois1 says:
    @Alfred

    The Russians have a very simple way of finding out who is CIA at any embassy. They look at what sort of car the guy drives and where he lives and whether he keeps a mistress.

    You may give the game away and make it hard for the Russians to detect the hush-hush operatives. Expect a new set of instructions by the 3-initial outfits to their foot soldiers to adopt a more austere life-style!

  161. @Wizard of Oz

    Really, who cares? So many words and yet so very little of any value stated. Loupy Bou makes Authentic Jazzman seem almost both modest and bright.

  162. Parfois1 says:
    @AaronB

    But Europe developed a different answer – a rules-based system where you aren’t allowed to cheat at all.

    Amazing how much twaddle one can spurt out! Tell us when did Europe invent that “rules-based system”? Was it the Treaty of Westphalia? That was in 1648 – and what has happened since? After all the last century great carnages are still within living memory.

    Maybe you mean the “Atlantic Charter”, the US blueprint for a la americaine “European” hegemony and wars against the “communist” or “terrorist” threat on behalf of the capitalist cosmopolitan tribe and their prostitutes?

    “Rules-based system”!!! The joke of the century. Straight from the CFR’s rulebook! (Sorry Loup-Bouc to put you to the trouble of another search… if you are still with us.)

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  163. @Loup-Bouc

    So far you have said enough quite interesting things to retain the interest of some of those who have as much time as you to waste. We also know you can be both gratuitously offensive (cf. “Monsieur Crétin”), arrogant, and probably self-absorbed. But is your advertised legal and cultural standing genuine? Let’s see if you can, without resorting to the Internet tell us which SCOTUS judge is perfectly fluent in French. And the particular focus of his/her interest in French culture. In the spirit in which you provide information I note that, last time I was in DC I dined with him/her.

    And do you know Ogden and Richards “The Meaning of Meaning” (as updated with additional chapters)? It is hard to believe that you can be so unsophisticated as to deny what I actually said, viz. “…..though Wolf-Goat is the English translation” – for which, yes, you could have assumed or guessed, the context is Google. Besides, the “meaning” of Loup and Bouc (or chèvre) in the fables from which you presumably derived inspiration is not “Male Wolf” and “Male Goat” (or Female Goat) because the sex of the animals is irrelevant. It would be odd indeed to use “Louve” and would possibly raise questions of special interest to feminists and anti-feminists. And “chèvre” is most often these days a reference to cheese. Actually I see scope for a variation of your moniker to signify “Predatory Big Cheese” if it is not a reference to your being savage in attack and wily in defence. But, like mine, I guess it didn’t require more than a few chance thoughts coming together at the time I chose it with no particular implication.

    • Replies: @Sean
  164. Parfois1 says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    I believe you have the concept not exactly backward but inside-out: novelists like Koontz, Baldacci, Silva, Thor, Meltzer, David Ignatius — a raft of others who have made it to NYTimes best seller status, are (I speculate) on some US department payroll to prepare or socially engineer the public to begin to perceive as normal and acceptable things like assassinations

    Don’t know much about the genre nowadays, but used to be a fan of John Le Carre. Nevertheless, I singled out Silva from your repertoire because I would not expect a Silva to be a NYT promotion of Jewish stuff, Silva being the most common Portuguese surname. But, lo and behold, although being born and raised Catholic (almost 100% of Portuguese stock, I bet) he has seen the lure of Jewish gold and converted to Judaism when he married a Jewess. There you are; you have to adopt Jewishness to be rich and famous in the US of A.

  165. Alfred says:

    You may give the game away and make it hard for the Russians to detect the hush-hush operatives.

    There was a hilarious article about their chief exponent of this technique who was retiring. I am sure they all read it. It was on some Russian/English website. I was unable to locate it.

    It took decades for the Russians to build their new embassy on Wisconsin Avenue, DC. They kept on finding bugs in the building under construction. The FBI and NSA tried building a tunnel under it. The Russians were doing their own thing in Moscow.

    But the NYT can only see one side of it:

    Bugged U.S. Embassy Stands–for Now–as a Reminder of the Cold War : Espionage: A carefully crafted agreement turns into a diplomatic fiasco. Soviet chicanery costs Uncle Sam an extra $270 million and wasted years.

  166. Parfois1 says:
    @Naill

    …which the author used, and viola, up comes just the one relevant one.

    Did you leave that morsel for Alfred to gorge on? Very kind of you.

    I’m only a bit playful with words sometimes, not malicious. Alfred is an esteemed and fair co-commenter, although he could be more forgiving to those taking the Mickey out of the wolf (loup)! It’s only in jest and no intention to hurt the tender feelings of man’s best friend’s relations.

  167. Parfois1 says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    En français, la plus belle langue

    If you are Francophone, that would explain the original PPP STEM faux pas and avoid much bickering – and some fun – if known. Anyone who says/agrees with the above quote is allowed the odd oddity any day and I, for one, withdraw any uncourteous put-down. Ne prend pas a coeur.

    Salut

    PS – Nosey at al. mind your language.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  168. Parfois1 says:
    @denk

    … what happens to these people, have they been doing limited hand out all these years in order to earn some street cred and they’r showing their true color now ???

    That’s one of the tools in the box of the “reality creators” – co-opting individuals and ideas to disseminate the official dogma and perception management. Most “celebrities” are particularly favoured targets to bloviate the dominant discourse, be it in the arts, sports or media. For instance, I mentioned somewhere above the case of Daniel Silva, a Catholic convert to Judaism to propagate the prowess of the tribe.

    It’s an old-hat strategy to reinforce the dominant power structure such as adopting some blacks or natives as elites and “mediators” to enforce acceptance of authority.

    • Replies: @denk
  169. Parfois1 says:
    @Anonymous

    The hallmark of a good country is one where the people openly criticize their government, as well as acknowledge/poke fun at their own flaws.

    I agree with most of what you wrote about Chinese social behaviour, which I find improper in polite society. Many of their manners are very grating indeed.

    On the other hand, perhaps they have similar opinion about the “Westerner” deportment. Who are we to be the judges of others? Oh, it’s our duty to “educate” them, bring them democracy and good manners and so on because “our culture is superior” and they must adopt our ways!!! Typical imperialist drivel.

    It’s their country and their ways. But if you are addressing your ranting at the Chinese in your milieu, I’m sure you should know who to blame – quite likely your government. At the very least, any screening of potential migrants (preferably none) might have included lessons and passes in etiquette and “Western” lore and culture to enable them to be assimilated into the wider society. A tall order for a millenial civilization – and for a government who does not give a hoot about what the people want.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  170. Naill says:
    @Sebastian Hawks

    How about American drug companies that lie about their painkillers not being addictive?

    How about overpriced American services that also trap you via their monthly subscription? There’s always new ways to skim more money off people.

    How about the credit card companies (American invention) that get you so deep into debt that it ruins your life because it takes years to get out of debt if you are vulnerable?

    Shoddy goods, at least are sold cheaply, and you don’t have to buy it again!

  171. Naill says:
    @Anonymous

    If Serpentza had an altruistic bone in his body, he would have stayed in South Africa and preached to some there how to treat people!

    Its not like he even understands chinese culture in the first place as he keeps judging everyone with stereotyping. If he has met 2 people doing something wrong (and could the first one be his wife?) he thinks it represents all Chinese. Imagine if we are to meet one or two Americans or Australians who are racist and then classify every American or Australian as such?

    “Saving face” is meant for how you treat other people – Europeans call it ‘consider their feelings’. If you think “saving face” it is in relation to oneself, that is called SELF PRIDE and it is frowned upon. Most Chinese value humility rather than pride.

    OK maybe some Chinese are loud and pushy (most were country folk until recently and only acquired wealth in one generation, please forgive them for not being sophisticated landed gentry like Serpentza ) but there are also many who are not loud and pushy. Chinese are also open to correction and advice, so if it bothers Serpentza greatly why not ask them politely to be quiet instead? His old videos were great but his new videos generate hate against the Chinese people and in particular, the Chinese Govt.
    His purpose and agenda has changed. Before starting his new video series, he gave some made up story about him and his mate going to different countries to do biking videos. Instead he went to USA and then started his hate campaign. We also suddenly see lots of people criticising China or Chinese people and then recommending his videos as an organised information campaign.

    I definitely would not bother to watch his videos any longer and he has also lost a lot of readers because of the Lies.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Anon
  172. Parfois1 says:
    @Parfois1

    Forgot to address the quoted sentence

    The hallmark of a good country is one where the people openly criticize their government, as well as acknowledge/poke fun at their own flaws.

    From what I have heard/read about China, people do openly criticize their government through numerous and frequent meetings and congresses at all levels of public life from a rural commune, neighbourhoods, village, district committees (soviets) and all the way up to the national congresses where people are free to express their views on every matter within their competence or jurisdiction. For instance, a village would have an elected committee in charge of local public administration and a separate one to handle production (economic units) and every person, not only members of the Communist party, is entitled to attend and speak at. If the issue is within the ambit of the local government, the matter is dealt with there, if not it goes on to the higher tier and so on. People are encouraged and do participate in discussions on issues that matter to them.

    In addition, at a national government level, they conduct public opinion surveys to periodically feel the pulse of the people about issues of national importance.

    That is participatory democracy at work. I’m sure where you are you don’t get that opportunity. Wherever you are in capitalist “democracies” you may openly criticize your government. But what does that do?

  173. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    So far you have said enough quite interesting things to retain the interest of some of those who have as much time as you to waste.

    This all started because Loupe complained about someone using an abbreviation without having in any way previously specified in the article what he meant by it:

    Please cease putting acronyms or blocks of all-caps abbreviations without first presenting full names or other comprehensible identifiers. Or are you too brainwashed by texting?

    As it was the article author Escobar in the actual article rather than comments, it was more likely an affectation than an omission under pressure of time, texting mode, or because he thought everyone would understand. I did not know what it meant. Escobar was being a little meretricious in my opinion, and it detracted from him getting across what he was trying to say because I had to stop reading and go back to find the original non abbreviated use (which wasn’t there) then open a tab to check what was meant by it. In a long winded article, Escobar probably lost readers before the end because of making them backtrack and go off in search of definitions.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  174. Robjil says:
    @Anon

    Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden, Agent Orange, Depleted Uranium bombs, sanctions that kill civilians, fire bombing of civilians of Axis nations in WWII, and so on are all examples of an Amalek type of warfare. The US/Israel team since 12.23.1913 are into Amalek warfare. Bioweapons are Amalek warfare.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/ask-the-expert-blotting-out-amalek/

    The Torah tells us to remember the nation of Amalek that attacked the Israelites after they left Egypt. Specifically, we are told to “blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven” (Deut 25:19). Traditionally, this was understood — in a morally complicated way — to mean that Jews had an obligation to kill all Amalekites: men, women, and children.

  175. @Parfois1

    Pomposity is pomposity in any language and Loupy is a pompous ass.

    PS – Nosey at al. mind your language.

    I don’t agree with you that I used any offensive language in my replies to Loupy, kindly point out for me where you think I did and try a bit harder not to be a pompous ass yourself.

    Pepe Escobar is a contributor that I respect. I don’t know if he’s always right but I believe him to be sincere and I considered reading this article to be very worthwhile. This is why I visit The Unz Review. Any commenter has a right to challenge a viewpoint but Loupy and Alfred made a big deal about petty trifles (Sean too but that is to be expected) and littered the comment thread with nonsense. You might consider choosing your friends more wisely in future.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  176. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Let’s assume the US has the capability (though I know of no evidence for that contention). An escalating series of tit for tats would be inevitable, and there would be such a conflict because if the US could could create the virus then China could most certainly work out who did it, however deniably. The Deep State hate Russia more than China and would anticipate Russia benefiting from a US China conflict.

    Escobar is claiming there is an interlocking set of elites running the US, but I think to the extent that is true the dominant cabal’s consideration would be not damaging their HUGE investments in China. This is why the elite dislike Trump, who has already hurt China without using bioweapons.

    Things either happen or are intentionally brought about. Certain countries may benefit either way, but as with the 1918 Spanish Flu maybe having tipped the balance and stopped Germany winning WW1 with the Stormtrooper offensive, there is is not a conclusive ‘who benefits ?’ argument just because it helps one side rather than another, maybe. Assuming it does is a circular argument.

    Only a loose cannon clique within the Deep State might be motivated, economically insulated, and have the guts to risk it, Then again they would surely be worried about their personal and family safety in a global pandemic of a disease more deadly that Spanish flu, which this may or may not be. There would be no way of testing such a mildly lethal flu to gauge precisely what it would do once released into the world. It could be orders of magnitude more deadly than intended.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    , @Anonymous
  177. @Sean

    I am astonished that someone as literate, learned, and capable of intelligent argument as you can be was not familiar with STEM – in particular, but also PPP. And you seem to be saying that Escobar’s usage was an affectation, though that is not clear and itself requires inferring also that he wants to show himself the master of insider-only jargon.

    • Replies: @Sean
  178. denk says:
    @Parfois1

    Alt sites have been dropping like ten pins.
    Many of the remnants seem to be either co-opted, compromised , or may be simply showing their true color.

    Activists post, Lewrockwell, Nofakenews etc etc have all gone MSM, screaming ‘China the police state’, even SOTT is now pushing the Wuhan lab conspiracy. !

    When ‘alt’ media are no different from MSM,
    The only thing left are our own critical thinking.

  179. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Sean

    Let’s assume the US has the capability (though I know of no evidence for that contention). An escalating series of tit for tats would be inevitable

    More likely, COVID-19 confirms that China has joined the New World Order.

    In that case, the explanation for the developing engineered pandemic becomes obvious: demographic rectification in China and the West, as I have explained here.

  180. @Alfred

    Well remember that the author of James Bond wrote those stories while sitting in Jamaica based off his former military days (I believe naval intelligence). Bond was a composite of many characters he knew. While the situations were fictional plots exaggerated – they didnt come out of nowhere. They came from someone with knowledge of how intelligence works. He just made fantasy out of it.

  181. @AaronB

    Fair play and fair and honest are sweet sounding words. It has almost always come from power projection. The victors most oftem make the rules to benefit themselves. So the IMF has been “fair”? Is that a serious statement? Bretton Woods is fair to the world…???? Come on..

  182. @FvS

    Oh right because western nations dont still have food safety issues – right..??? Where is the media coverage of this in the west?

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/mother-complaint-formula-gallia-baby-vomits-worm-12473436

  183. Anon[928] • Disclaimer says:
    @Naill

    If Serpentza had an altruistic bone in his body, he would have stayed in South Africa and preached to some there how to treat people!

    Its not like he even understands chinese culture in the first place as he keeps judging everyone with stereotyping. If he has met 2 people doing something wrong (and could the first one be his wife?) he thinks it represents all Chinese. Imagine if we are to meet one or two Americans or Australians who are racist and then classify every American or Australian as such?

    Exactly. By his logic and standards, he should be treated like a genocidal, murderous, slave driving white South African.

  184. Anonymous[173] • Disclaimer says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    E. Howard Hunt was a CIA operative involved in major operations like the Bay of Pigs and anti-Castro efforts. He’s also alleged to have been involved in the JFK assassination. He was also a prolific author who wrote a lot of spy novels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_Hunt

    William F. Buckley Jr. worked for the CIA officially for a few years under Hunt, although Buckley was rumored to have CIA ties far longer than his official career there. Buckley also wrote many spy novels:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.#Spy_novelist

    I think a lot these kind of spy novels by Hunt and Buckley and others are not very good and are basically pulp novels. They strike me as extended brainstorming sessions that can provide ideas and possible scenarios for the intelligence community, or are the products of brainstorming sessions within the intelligence community that can be commercialized into novels.

  185. Well here are two tricks to help tye US and Europe. 1) stop migration of skilled people. Tell them you wont accept them and that they should remain in their own countries and apply their talents there. That should stop brain drain and help those places to develop – whuch in turn will cause less people to wamt to leave. 2) stop engaging in or causing wars which bring about refugee crises.

  186. Sean says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I knew the meaning of STEM, but not PPP. Loupe does seem a bit eccentric, and may be untrustworthy concerning his CV, but I have to agree with him that the convention in writing is an abbreviation should be used only after a first use of the full name with the abbreviation appearing in brackets immediately after, unless it is something that is as common as ‘CV’. Escobar wordy piece omitted this useful aid to the general reader for no good reason as far as I can see. If one is arguing a controversial case it becomes especially important to avoid stylistic quirkiness.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  187. Anonymous[505] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    An escalating series of tit for tats would be inevitable, and there would be such a conflict because if the US could could create the virus then China could most certainly work out who did it, however deniably.

    China does not have any options. Any overt retaliation it took, however justified, would be regarded as an act of naked aggression by the world, not as retaliatory or defensive in nature. Any covert retaliation it took would further hostilities and decoupling.

    An escalating series of tit for tats would be good for the US, and an escalation that’s sooner rather than later would be best, since US relative power is on the wane.

    Escobar is claiming there is an interlocking set of elites running the US, but I think to the extent that is true the dominant cabal’s consideration would be not damaging their HUGE investments in China. This is why the elite dislike Trump, who has already hurt China without using bioweapons.

    US elites may be more disparate, but there is some consensus among them, such as belief in American “primacy” or “leadership”. Another consensus that’s been emerging among US elites, both liberal and conservative, is containment of China. Trump’s China policy is in a way a continuation of Obama and Clinton’s “pivot to Asia” foreign policy, but in a different style. The latter emphasized multilaterism and economic partnership and free trade to bind non-China Asian and Pacific countries (TPP), the former emphasizes American nationalism and industry. Both are aimed at containment of China. Liberal elites appeal to human rights, the pro-democracy movement in Hong Kong, minority rights and separatism for the Uighurs, etc. Trump and the right appeal to American nationalism.

    https://thediplomat.com/2017/01/the-pivot-to-asia-was-obamas-biggest-mistake/

    “The pivot did include some new diplomatic initiatives (such as the rapprochement with Myanmar) but the real problem was the shift in security and defense policy. By putting Asia at the center of its security strategy, the Obama administration inadvertently made the entire enterprise seem to Beijing like an effort to contain China militarily. This led China to respond by becoming more aggressive, helping to undo the general tranquility that existed before 2008.

    Emblematic of this mistake was the roll-out of the Air-Sea Battle doctrine. First outlined in a then-classified memo in 2009, ASB became official doctrine in 2010. From the beginning, it was an effort to develop an operational doctrine for a possible military confrontation with China and then-Secretary of Defense Robert Gates openly discussed the need to counter China’s growing military capabilities. The signal received in Beijing was the United States had hostile intentions toward China and was trying to contain it militarily. The result was that the entire pivot was seen by Beijing as part of a broader effort to encircle China.”

    Only a loose cannon clique within the Deep State might be motivated, economically insulated, and have the guts to risk it

    Not as risky as a conventional military clash which you’ve often claimed is inevitable on the current trajectory.

    • Replies: @Sean
  188. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    American hypercapitalism is counting on China to make them money. The Deep State are superannuated Cold Warriors preoccupied with Russia, and taking down China would be a gift to Russia. Of those who might be counted as in the elite (at least on paper) only a few renegades like Kyle Bass, General (ret) Spalding and Steve Bannon are worried about China. There would need to be a US-Russia alliance before the US would make a move against China, and that is not going to happen now. In fact it looks more like a Russian Chinese rapprochement will grow stronger for the foreseeable future.

    There is a big difference between thinking that China is fated to take the place of Russia as the main military threat to America, and believing that American elites would act on that and altruistically take care of the main military threat to Russia by going after China.

  189. @Jason Liu

    If an enemy nation releases a bio weapon on your population center, you do the same. Other wise, China would be declaring to the world it is open season on China and it’s people.

    At the same time, build more of the advance weapons and 100% more nukes. Enough to make every single one who is out to get you radio active green. Every square inch.

    This would ensure the survival of man kind. And my scared ass with it.

    China, please build more nukes.

    Anyone talking about plausible deniability in this case is as stupid as it gets.

    But the jury is still out on whether or not this is a bio weapon. Even if Everything so far points at a yes.

    This anon with a Chinese name for a handle thinks he is smarter than the entire Chinese elite class running china. Funny as fuck.

    To all the retards saying this was an accidental leak. A coincidence is fine, a string of coincidences is not fucking ok. If you all want to die, go for it. Don’t take me with you.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  190. @Sean

    Also who says China has to retaliate now? China can easily build up it’s military for 10 more years and go.

    And the retard anon thinks China would care about further decoupling at that point. Like, wtf is going through that retarded brain of his.

    The funniest part, attack on China is OK, Chinese retaliation is naked aggression. I simply am baffled by these kind of stupidness.

  191. @Loup-Bouc

    Your observations may be true for North America, but not in Europe or Asia, where the limited number of university spaces available. creates huge competition for those spaces. Only the best and brightest gain entry. The Chinese and Korean students showing up to attend universities here, and gaining top marks, are the ones “too dumb” to gain entry at home.

  192. @AaronB

    In the Chinese rules of war, in order to avoid destructive mass bloodshed that might destroy humanity, aggression is channeled into deceptive practices. In this system, you’re allowed to steal technology, deceive, bend the rules, gain illicit influence, etc – this isn’t supposed to lead to actual war. If you get caught, some kind if negotiation is supposed to settle the matter.

    Change “Chinese” to another ethnic group, whose name must not be spoken, and you would have been more accurate about one of their sidelines. Apparently you missed the bit about the US stealing the contents of the German patent office after WWII.

  193. @Sean

    Escobar (sic) wordy piece omitted this useful aid to the general reader for no good reason as far as I can see.

    Wordy? That is rich coming from you, the article is a mere 1400 words. If only brevity were a feature of your own, largely dishonest comments. Now that would be worthy of clicking on the Thanks button for once re your contributions.

    Perhaps you should consider leaving a comment for Pepe Escobar requesting that he use a comic book layout in future just for you, Alfred and Loupy Bou.

    • Replies: @Sean
  194. Parfois1 says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    I don’t agree with you that I used any offensive language in my replies to Loupy, kindly point out for me where you think I did and try a bit harder not to be a pompous ass yourself.

    I didn’t accuse you of using offensive language – in fact I was the main culprit. But most of it was freewheeling tomfoolery gone off the handle by the novelty of an excentric event. And I agree with your parting remark and advice concerning my pompous ass. He’s very stubborn too, like the rest of his species, equus asinus. See?

    Cheers

  195. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    If an enemy nation releases a bio weapon on your population center, you do the same. Other wise, China would be declaring to the world it is open season on China and it’s people.

    I’m not sure I agree with that. Traditional deterrence/retaliation is aimed at reasonably rational parties, and if elements of America’s national security apparatus launched a biowarfare attack against China that would just be a sign of just how crazy they are. I’m not sure if a retaliatory biowarfare attack against e.g. Pittsburgh would make much sense in that context.

    Here’s a closely-related comment I left a couple of days ago on a different thread:

    Consider a particularly ironic outcome of this situation, not particularly likely but certainly possible…

    Everyone knows that America’s ruling elites are criminal, crazy, and also extremely incompetent.

    So perhaps the coronavirus outbreak was indeed a deliberate biowarfare attack against China, hitting that nation just before Lunar New Year, the worst possible time to produce a permanent nationwide pandemic. However, the PRC responded with remarkable speed and efficiency, implementing by far the largest quarantine in human history, and the deadly disease now seems to be in decline there.

    Meanwhile, the disease naturally leaks back into the US, and despite all the advance warning, our totally incompetent government mismanages the situation, producing a huge national health disaster, and the collapse of our economy and decrepit political system.

    As I said, not particularly likely, but certainly a very fitting end to the American Empire…

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/corona-will-kill-millions-crater-the-world-economy/#comment-3739730

    So an accidental biowarfare blow-back collapse of the American economic/social/political system, followed by a popular uprising and wholesale massacre of our totally worthless ruling elites would probably be a much better end to the story than a retaliatory Chinese biowarfare attack…

  196. @Ron Unz

    I’m inclined to think that the US economy has been looted and defrauded to such a degree that it is in many ways on life support requiring all sorts of creative means to prop it up for a bit longer. Things such as QE, derivatives, paper gold and so on, but it cannot continue on in this way forever. If an outside scare such as the Chinese/Coronavirus were to be seen to be the cause of the collapse then the real perps would be off the hook and since they would have been first in line to sell off they will also be well positioned to snap up any real bargains later on.

    It possibly could also be a case of several less lethal biowarfare attacks being employed to create a “cry wolf” mentality in the population before the real killer virus is let loose. The ageing Prince Phillip has stated that if he were to be reincarnated he would like to return as a virus for the purpose of depopulating the planet. Such people really exist and still the fools line the streets to cheer them as they drive past, just as Trump’s Chumps still cheer him with chants of MAGA.

  197. Anonymous[213] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    The Deep State are superannuated Cold Warriors preoccupied with Russia, and taking down China would be a gift to Russia.

    “Taking down China” would mean China would be turned into a Taiwan, South Korea, Japan – a production hub supplied by US and US protected Mideast energy. In many ways, it would be similar to the situation now economically. Chinese factories and labor would produce cheap consumer goods for export to the US, and dollar receipts from those exports would be recycled into US and dollarized financial assets, propping up US wealth and military financing. The difference would be that there would be no CCP using those dollars to build up an independent military power and independent economic infrastructure around the world (like the Belt & Road). The government would be some sort of parliamentary democracy subservient to US foreign policy, and there would be a media landscape conducive to US interests.

    In this scenario, Russia would be completely surrounded by US allies. The US would have effectively achieved global hegemony for the foreseeable future at that point, certainly for the rest of the century.

    Regime change in Russia would produce a similar outcome. China would be left with no significant allies, and it would be surrounded by US allies and isolated. It could be cut off from Mideast energy by the US Navy and from Russian energy by a pro-US regime in Moscow. In this scenario as well the US would achieve de facto global hegemony. This would have already happened had Putin and his KGB cronies not been able to mount an internal coup. The Russian opposition consists of Atlanticist liberals and Russian nationalists, both of whom would throw their lot in with the West and the US, scale back Russia’s central and eastern Asian ambitions and interests, and cut off relations with China.

    Only one domino has to fall for the US. If either falls, US global hegemony is a fait accompli, and the US would become the most powerful state in human history with no foreseeable challengers for centuries.

    • Agree: utu
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    , @CanSpeccy
  198. Tor597 says:
    @Ron Unz

    Unz, this has a certain logic to it as I believe America would love nothing more than to provoke an attack it can respond to in a disporportionate way.

    But at the same time, there is the element of Mutually Assured Destruction at play. China has been attacked over and over with exotic plagues such as SARS.

    And even this year China was attacked with Corona Virus, plus African fever which hit their pork supply, plus Avian Flu which hit their chicken supply.

    At a certain point, China has to let America know that 2 can play this game and if America continues there will be consequences.

    It is the same thing with nukes which is why America has not invaded N Korea, but totally decimated Iraq.

    To just sit there and take it only emboldens America.

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  199. Sometimes I wonder the point of it all. Why not just go ahead and have an all out nuclear war and be done with it?

    • Replies: @anaccount
  200. @Tor597

    If, *if* it was a bio-attack launched by the US state (let’s be algebraic and call this assumption “A-110” for short.), as something like policy (and there are many other plausible scenarios fitting our scarce data), then absolutely I agree there is a deterrence dilemma, which is interesting when viewed from a military-technical level, while tragic from the point of human civilizational survival prospects.

    Given assumption A-110 above, suppose the CCP assumption setup looks like this:

    1. The deep-state/neocon/occult/cryptocratic/oligarchic body-politic (call it X-44 for short) is its primary adversary and persecutor in this epoch; the USA as a nation-state is merely an instrument of that adversary.

    2. X-44 is a transnational mafia with deep historical origins (some centuries) and no particular fealty to any given state, whereas its sustenance comes from control over the Western system as a whole, and that system’s control over the planet, hardly contested from 1600-ish to 2014-ish.

    3. X-44 might welcome a low-level retaliatory bio-attack on the West, for a variety of reasons including poplulation-control agenda, social-control/police-state agenda, as well as the psychological effect of being under attack; populations tend to band together under authority to fight the enemy in such cases. Therefore a symmetric retaliation is inauspicious.

    4. X-44 might welcome the escalatory potential gifted by such a retaliation. While the petrodollar lasts, it’s being pumped into a fantastic array of weapons systems, which have a shelf life of 5-10 years before needing upgrades and/or replacement to keep pace with the technological arms-race dynamics. X-44 is in the prime of its military potential; this in spite of massive waste in military spending post-9/11, that has been partly rectified since the shocks over Russian military technical advances and the realization that money in and of itself confers nothing. The trends economically are not looking good for X-44. X-44 has seen most all of its geopolitical plans since 9/11 go clusterfucky, maybe they are becoming sub-consciously suicidal+homicidal with the realization of their abject stupidity and incompetence. Escalation will tend towards total hot-war, a civilizational ender, though some of X-44 may think they can win, in a manner of speaking, in their underground cities and New Zealand.

    5. X-44’s current strategy seems to be to pull the global corporate system out of China expeditiously, and if possible to disrupt Eurasian integration at the pivot around Afghanistan, and other targets of opportunity. It doesn’t have a positive, creative, constructive socio-economic vision, because X-44 is irredeemably drenched in bloodlust, inbreeding, all manner of evil. Their level of decadence and evil makes them stupid, and utterly lacking in creative potential. So their strategic vision is entirely negative, going abroad to stick the knife in the rival. They have platitudes for positive vision, but no more.

    6. While X-44 might welcome an attack on their ‘homelands’ as a vigorous casus belli, what X-44 would not welcome is a direct attack on their persons, facilities, supporting structures of all domains (business, social, cultural, etc). It turns out that with modern ‘big’-data processing for targeting prioritization, robotics/micro-drones and novel capabilities, it is possible to carry high-precision warfare to the next level, completely bypassing military targets and going right for the head of the snake: oligarchs, their servants in the major institutions, supporting structures medical, academic, scientific, cultural. What we envision then is a massive and simultaneous strike using both micro-robotic machinery as well as human operators, on what are effectively soft-targets at critical nodes. Consider 5,000 to 10,000 of the most powerful people in the West simultanously assassinated within a few hours, as well as major institutional nodes blown up, oh a few hundred of them. No overt military action. Let’s call this pseudo-military/pseudo-clandestine option the “house-party”. The house-party could be seen as a mix of big-data, small robotics, old-fashioned human operators, a hybrid of superpower high-tech and the Maoist/Hezbollah/Viet-Cong style of warfare waged internationally, but with superpower resources. A key to the house-party is the high-intensity, massive, comprehensive, and simultaneous nature of the strikes, as well as the criticality (and non-military nature) of the targets. The house-party explicitly eschews targeting military nodes, partly for psychological/moral reasons, but mostly because military targets are non-critical to the functioning of X-44’s core structure, whereas some of those soft institutions are. This point could and should be elaborated on in depth, but I’ve already vastly exceeded modesty for a comment, so I’ll leave it as an exercise; leaving military targets un-touched is a critical component of the house-party.
    A massive simultaneous strike of such a nature has the potential to utterly devastate X-44, leaving the nation-state more or less intact, though somewhat decapitated. Seems a brilliant solution, but not so fast. This has the potential to enrage X-44 like nothing else, it would be the most profoundly escalatory action that could be taken — more escalatory even than a WMD attack, not from the point of view of the Joint-Chiefs-of-Staff maybe, but from their bosses, and their big-brothers in the cryptocracy, most definitely. Would X-44 be prepared to respond in kind, or would they perhaps just issue the call for a massive Trident D5 attack? I think the risk of the massive Trident D5 response to the house-party negates it as a serious option except in something approaching last resort, maybe the last option prior to massive nuclear strike.

    7. An alternative to the massive and simultaneous violence of the house-party would be a variant we could call the “tea-party”; same idea but much, much lower intensity. The tea-party program could be moduled in such a way as to present diplomatic opportuntities after every episode of violence, governing escalation potential. *** My amateur guess/conclusion:
    The tea-party seems the most likely course (that my amateur mind can think of) for China to pursue (if, if, if A-110 is assumed). Again house-party and tea-party differ only in intensity, both mean going after X-44 directly, not their military arms, which are tied by tradition to the nation-state and should be avoided as targets. This means prioritizing targets at the very top, but also critical institutions responsible for maintaining the domestic Western hegemony of X-44. (For illustration, Trump is not at the top, he is off to the side, a largely captured entity. Most of the people we’ve heard of aren’t even at the top. Most of the people we disgruntled netizens direct our ire towards are figureheads, stalking-horses for more prudent and well-positioned entities which prefer to stay in the shadows.) The tea-party avoids the massive and likely uncontrollably escalatory potential of the house-party, whilst giving their main persecutor’s decision-making complex something to think about close to home. With the Kremlin’s input, I would imagine the tea-party regime would be partitioned into modules which could be executed in such a way as for each episode of violence to segue into diplomatic parlays. This is a modus-operandi we’ve seen in Ukraine and Syria, governing escalation, avoiding apocalypse.

    Both the house-party and tea-party operational concepts seem to represent a new paradigm of warfare, but are natural evolutions in warfare over the trends of irregularity, precision, maneuver, the trends of increasingly targeting civilian population and infrastructure — although in this case the precision means targeting only that sector of the civilian population most directly responsible for hostilities, the very top section of the pyramid.

    By way of epilogue, my present sense is that all of our/my assumptions are wrong. We’re just looking at it all wrong, because we don’t have even 0.5% of the relevant data. If we saw what top intel-people saw, we’d spend weeks in a disoriented daze just trying to make sense of all the new information, and re-adjusting our mental picture. That’s my guess. My intuition about the likelihood of A-110? Maybe 30%. It’s seems just as likely to be any variety of rogue group. The circumstantials (swine flu and other agricultural disasters) and the history of bio-warfare look pretty bad, but who knows? Not me.

    What seems baked-in no matter what is the de-coupling of the West from China, the further integration of Russia/China/Iran, and a nasty fight both in central Asia as well as peripheral sites like Taiwan and Korea.

    The SCO conglomerate will seek to control escalation without renouncing deterrance, while advancing Eurasion integration. They may well be willing to take heavy hits, but as commenters here have pointed out, they may not be able to survive too much more of this; they may need to play catch up on deterrance, or risk inviting further, unsustainable depredations. They may be much more willing than we imagine to take more gut-punches in order to avoid escalation; there may also be military-technical conditions we aren’t aware of, force structure imbalances that would make waiting another few years worth a lot of pain.

    Another possible scenario, people don’t like to consider it, but it’s there, is a massive pre-emptive strike by any party. If one player feels they are being backed into a corner demanding submission or escalation on unfavorable terms, they may opt for a hail-Mary kind of massive pre-emptive strike. Unthinkable, but not impossible, especially with who-knows-what ABM tech out there, and all ruling cliques having massive underground facilities to retreat to. Some of these players even *gasp* have bunkers for their general population. Don’t discount the potential for ABM techniques advancing rapidly — this will undermine MAD assumptions.

    I’m not expecting to be able to make sense of the news, we’re just too poorly informed. Just gaming shit out. Interesting times.

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  201. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    “Taking down China” would mean China would be turned into a Taiwan, South Korea, Japan – a production hub supplied by US and US protected Mideast energy

    Japan was a tenth the size of China and did not have nukes. China fought in Korea even though it didn’t have nukes. The elites, even the least important part like the Deep State, cannot even imagine what a successful war would look like.

    Elites are greedy are they not? The economic competition is something the most dominant elites, that is economic elites are uninterested in; haven’t you heard of globalisation? American elites are going to clean up on their Chinese investments. They have been paid off. Russia needs China as a customer for its energy.

    https://thediplomat.com/2012/03/godzilla-attacks/

    Because no power can truly make itself a global hegemon – resources are too finite, distances that attenuate power too great – the most any state can realistically hope to accomplish is to enforce its own rules in its geographic environs while keeping others from posing a serious extra-regional threat.

    The plan of the US is to make big money in the medium term on the rise of a commercially orientated China, and China’s plan is go along with that. The power elite are not Greta Thunberg type thinkers planning generations ahead and willing to make sacrifices now.

  202. anaccount says:
    @Gleongelpi

    That has probably been said a few times in Tel Aviv. What we call the Cold War is really just Jews (mainly in the US) scheming the two countries into nuclear war. It came very close to happening under JFK but he skillfully avoided it.

  203. Anonymous[656] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    Kyle Bass has connections to the Trump family and administration. He seems to be involved in corrupt insider dealings and crony capitalism via his connections there. He also has connections to the Treasury department and CIA.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-tommy-hicks-jr-donald-trump-jr-hunting-buddy

    [MORE]

    Tommy Hicks Jr., 41, isn’t a government official; he’s a wealthy private investor. And he has been a part of discussions related to China and technology with top officials from the Treasury Department, National Security Council, Commerce Department and others, according to emails and documents obtained by ProPublica. In one email, Hicks refers to a meeting at “Langley,” an apparent reference to the CIA’s headquarters.

    Hicks’ financial interests, if any, in the matters he has discussed aren’t clear. The interests are much more apparent when it comes to at least one of his associates. Hicks used his connections to arrange for a hedge fund manager friend, Kyle Bass — who has $143 million in investments that will pay off if China’s economy tanks — to present his views on the Chinese economy to high-level government officials at an interagency meeting at the Treasury Department, according to the documents…

    The efforts, detailed in hundreds of pages of government emails and other documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, show that Hicks had access to the highest levels of government to influence policymaking in ways that could lead to painful economic outcomes for the Chinese — and a potentially lucrative result for Hicks’ hedge fund friend, Bass.

    “When somebody comes in like this, a hedge fund manager who has an interest in the viability of China’s economy, you’re giving them an opportunity to influence policy,” said Virginia Canter, a former ethics lawyer at the Treasury Department who now serves as chief ethics counsel for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a watchdog group. (CREW has sued Donald Trump for accepting emoluments from foreign governments.) “The question is why?”…

    Bass has become a vocal advocate for an aggressive U.S. policy toward China. On Twitter and on cable business channels he’s denounced everything from the country’s Communist Party government to its business practices. Securities filings show Bass raised $143 million from about 81 investors in two funds — investments that would benefit if China’s currency were devalued or the country faced credit or banking crises. In April, in a letter to his investors, Bass wrote that his company, Hayman Capital Management, was positioned for coming problems in Hong Kong and was set up to “maintain a massive asymmetry to a negative outcome in Hong Kong and/or China.”

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  204. @anon8383892

    A very interesting comment, thanks. I wrote a script outline a while back along similar lines using Eastern European women who had been trafficked to Western Europe, held captive and forced into prostitution. They were then freed and used as assassins as repayment for being liberated. They were accompanied by young male minders selected from other countries to ensure plausible deniability. The methods used included poison darts, mini IEDs and drone delivered grenades. It was fast paced with lots of sex and violence so I probably shouldn’t have pitched it as a children’s movie.

    These troublemaking financiers, think-tank types and lobbyists are somewhat soft targets and having them on the back foot for a change would certainly keep their otherwise mischievous minds occupied for a while. Some of the propagandist media-mouthpieces would be high on my target list too.

    The US power advantage has discouraged this sort of thing in the recent past but things are changing and I suspect that once the gloves really come off things could become very ugly for them and their extended families. You may well be right about it being used to trigger the implementation of a police-state but that is coming anyway.

    To paraphrase Rodney King, what a shame we can’t all get along.

  205. Ano4 says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    Ok Boomer!

    The future is not what it once was?

    🙂

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  206. Ano4 says:
    @anon8383892

    I enjoyed reading your comment.

    You should write a darkly satirical cyberpunk novel about your hypothesis.

    If not censored it might be a very good read.

  207. @Ano4

    If Loupy is 79 years old he is not a Boomer so how good is your knowledge of such matters? Saying OK Boomer makes you just seem silly.

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  208. Lone Wolf says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    “I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men and German to my horse.”

    Quote attributed to Charles V, (not-so) Holy Roman Emperor, or to Frederick the Great (Asshole?)

    Either one forgot to add those French speakers who talk horse manure.

  209. Parfois1 says:
    @anon8383892

    Wow! A very imaginative scenario for a budding Le Carre’s next bestseller – and a solution to many of the world’s problems.

    Feasible though, with good back-up resources from AR (Axis of Resistance – in deference to Monsieur Loup) it could be done, with simultaneous decapitating action south of the Golan Heights.,

    Forgot about most tricks of the trade but, if I can I’ll lend a hand to the enterprise. I tell you, such an event, if successfully carried out, would ease the transition to the afterlife for myself as well.

    PS – Hope the hush-hush brigade is not eavesdropping…

  210. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00548-w
    [W]ho studies coronaviruses at McMaster University in Hamilton, Canada. He notes that the SARS virus shared 99.8% of its genome with a civet coronavirus, which is why civets were considered the source

    Asian palm civets are trapped and traded for making Kopi luwak, a coffee that consists of partially digested coffee cherries, which have been eaten and passed by the civets. Bearing in mind that Spanish flu seems to have come from unwise disposal of horse manure on a WW1 US Army base, a similar vector and accidental origin in a jump from animal to human in China seems not unlikely.

    Regarding a bioweapon, it is an open question whether a program to develop a sub 1% mortality flu that was going to affect East Asians mainly is something that the Deep State could get its research scientists to work on. The scientists might well say it was unfeasible, quit or made desultory efforts as Werner Heisenberg did with the German atomic bomb.

    I think it is beyond the US at present but allowing it is possible in principle, given time and resources to create a bioweapon flu, there could have been a sudden advance. Yet if the US had such a weapon it would have to assume that STEM rich China had one too and would retaliate, in the same way the Nazis thought the Allies must have gas. China has the genomes of every American who has been DNA sequenced, because 23 and me ECT use Chinese firms to do the actual sequencing. As with everything else the Chinese simply submit a quote below what it actually costs and they get the business. State controlled fox in the free market henhouse and Escobar is cheering the slaughter on. China’s concentration camps have unlimited amounts of semi Caucasian Uyghurs to experiment on too. The US would be much more limited, and would not really know what they had until it was released

    As Bass says, corporate America and Wall St are lobbying for China, These treacherous sectors are totally dominant over Langley, Pentagon and White House. While Bass may have got a meeting to suggest China’s financial stability is in doubt, Wall St have already bet the farm of Chinese growth.

    Bass has become a vocal advocate for an aggressive U.S. policy toward China. On Twitter and on cable business channels he’s denounced everything from the country’s Communist Party government to its business practices.

    They talk as if Bass is complaining about a political party, but Xi takes decisions in his capacity as Chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, not as President of China. And its business practices in the one’party’ state include harvesting organs from the 2-3 million Muslims and dissidents in concentration, rape torture and death camps as proven by the fact that transplants for foreigners were being openly booked a months in advance. Israel forbids going to China for transplants for that reason.

    Several doctors in China who tried to warn the public about the coronavirus have disappeared, maybe they their kidneys are up for sale. A 1992 U.S. law affords Hong Kong preferential treatment in matters of trade which they are using it to get around the tariffs. Pompeo announced $100 million to assist China with coronavirus, and Xi’s media mouthpiece complained that American help was ‘belated.’, As Bass pointed out they are ungrateful. China long refused to make fentanyl a controlled substance thought 60 percent of opioid death were due to their fentanyl. The Chinese have now moved on to a White Death Dealer even more profitable:- ‘WITH these new synthetic opioids, which we think are coming in from China, they’re so potent you only have to ship a little bit”.’ There 130 American deaths every day from that shit and the mansions in Vancouver are paid for with the profits from it.

    Far from being influential and connected, or even a lone voice among hedge managers, Kyle Bass is on the opposite side to them because everything the hypercapitalists of Wall St are doing is predicated on China growing. The American-guaranteed World Bank ECT keeps loaning billions to China every even though it clearly is not a developing country. The real American elite is hypercapitalist-globalising, all the way into China, and out of greed doing the Chinese Communist Party’s bidding. As those running America cannot afford to have Bass’s predictions come true, they are not going to let them come true.

    Moreover, Mearsheimer’s opinion about what China will do when it is a Godzilla economy is very much a minority one. It is not just Wall St where bien pensant establishments find it impossible to believe the US can be bested in the long term. The CIA and military intelligence has a very poor record in anticipating Chinese intentions in even the near term (Korean War), let alone a decade or so in the future. Bass obviously would not have needed to try and influence Deep State strategists if they were already of the same opinion as him. The Chinese found of all the POWs they took in Korean War, Americans were the easiest to brainwash.

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  211. Sean says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Technical articles use abbreviations in a certain way because they are dealing in complex matters and the writing has to be clear. It takes time to get writing tight while keeping it clear. Slow as I am, I suspect my comments are written faster than many of the articles I comment on are. Pepe Escobar is an author and as such is presumably wanting to communicate effectively by ensuring his readers are not distracted by seeing abbreviations they are not familiar with, assuming they must have missed what the abbreviations meant, and going back only to find that he omitted to use the unabbreviated words even though there was abundant room to do so.

    I did that and came back to finish the article with a weaker grip on the line of reasoning being made than I would otherwise have had. For commenters who do not bother reading the article half as carefully as they peruse the other commenters for someone to provoke and animadvert, the aforementioned would be less of a problem. Anyway, it’s not your site and others decide whether comments are too long, which judgement we submit to when we comment.

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  212. @Ron Unz

    If the virus does the job for the Chinese in this case, there would no longer be a need for the retaliatory strike. It becomes a matter of if the Chinese govt wants to.

    I don’t ever forsee a popular uprising happen in the USA. The system in the US is perfectly designed for use in cases exactly like this. Our govt can easily blame trump, a few other senators and congressman, and voila, it is over. Riots sure, uprising? I honestly don’t see it happening.

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  213. CanSpeccy says:
    @Anonymous

    COVID-19 is not a biowarfare agent. It’s barely lethal (probably under 5%). And it kills mainly the old, while giving kids nothing more than a cold.

    It’s exactly what both China and the US need. A culling of the unproductive population to deal with looming deficits in the Social Security budget.

    Plus it saves the leadership in both the US and China from blame over an unavoidable stock market crash that will provide the smart money (e.g., Warrren Buffet currently holding $128 billion in cash) an opportunity to accumulate assets for pennies on the dollar.

  214. Ron Unz says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    If the virus does the job for the Chinese in this case, there would no longer be a need for the retaliatory strike. It becomes a matter of if the Chinese govt wants to.

    Well, I’d apply the “rabies” metaphor I’ve used in several comments over the years:

    Or to apply a far harsher biological metaphor, consider a poor canine infected with the rabies virus. The virus may have no brain and its body-weight is probably less than one-millionth that of the host, but once it has seized control of the central nervous system, the animal, big brain and all, becomes a helpless puppet.

    Once friendly Fido runs around foaming at the mouth, barking at the sky, and trying to bite all the other animals it can reach. Its friends and relatives are saddened by its plight but stay well clear, hoping to avoid infection before the inevitable happens, and poor Fido finally collapses dead in a heap.

    https://www.unz.com/forum/huawei-c-f-o-is-arrested-in-canada-for-extradition-to-the-u-s/#comment-2684228

    If a rabid dog tries to bite or attack you, does it really make any sense to talk about “retaliating” against him? I’d argue deterrence and retaliation are generally restricted to rational entities, acting in their own self-interest. And surely the dog itself will suffer far more from the rabies virus than anything you could possibly do to punish it…

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  215. @Ron Unz

    If this virus doesn’t just target the Eastern Asian population anymore. If it wreaks havoc in the USA and EU too. I can see the Chinese elites not choosing to retaliate.

    If this is a bio weapon attack, it opens the door for similar attacks. It is basically a green light for similar attacks if the Chinese choose to do so, any time in the future. Main issue is China is not a nation that cannot fight back. The option is now on the table for the Chinese govt if they so choose.

  216. China began expelling expats over a year ago. Mainland Chinese culture is extremely xenophobic and has been badly damaged by 70 years of Communism. Ex-pats working in China, many their for a decade or more and fluent in the language -often married to a Chinese spouse and raising a family-have been forced out. China doesn’t work like a normal country; everything works on guanxi-relationships, face and favors. Now that most of the foreigners have left-before coronachan hit-we are finding out all the dirty secrets of China as people, no longer dependant on that economy, begin to talk.
    Usually what they comment on is the lack of rule of law, the heavy hand of Xi and the CCP, rampant petty crime, drug dealing and prostitution. The constant demand of China to get everything their way is seeing manufacturing moving abroad to Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, India and Thailand. Worst of all is the capital controls. Many left empty handed as they sold out in a piss poor market.
    China doesn’t place nice with others let alone its’ own citizens. Escobar and the other commie apologists can deny the CCP’s excesses but the truth is coming out. China is entering the xenophobic part of the cycle where they have decided to tell everyone to fuck off and leave because they want to play by themselves for a while. Watch as this coronavirus fades in a year or so,and we all breath a sigh of relief and mourn the losses, China will dither and their economy will sputter on and on…..They will pay a heavy price for being immature children who always want the option of changing the deal whenever it goes counter to their wishes. This is not just a communist mindset. It is the China mindset. The mindset of someone who lacks the maturity of doing a deal and honoring the terms. China has spent decades telling the West, especially the U.S. “oh yeah, no problem, we’ll get on it” then promptly ignoring the issue and leaving it unresolved. They did this on currency pegs, pollution levels, etcetera ad nauseum. Cheating is normal in mainland China but everyone eventually gets sick of that type of behavior.

    Every number that comes out of China is a lie. Coronavirus is going to light this fact in neon for the world to see. The best estimates are that 25k are already dead in Wuhan and the total deaths in Hubei province may be as high as 50k. The CCP claims less than 3000 deaths yet dozens of crematoriums have been running 24-7 for 4-5 weeks. The math simply doesn’t add up. They’ve brought in mobile incinerators to try and hide the sulphur emissions. When the dust settles the numbers will come out and China will have a lot of explaining to do. That is, if anyone has the [email protected] to confront them. So far, the only person to ever put their feet to the fire is Trump. Everyone else has kissed their @sses and bent the knee. The CCP has never told the truth about GDP, CPI or any other metric. Anyone who believes their numbers is either a ‘useful idiot’ like Escobar, a moron or a shill.
    I’m really looking forward to watching as China fails to restart their economy and desperately looks for anyone or anything to blame but themselves. Meanwhile, I look forward to seeing more honest and deserving nations, Vietnam and Malaysia in particular, develop and grow their economies AND pull millions out of poverty. This is something China loves to brag about but never did anything about except shift the metric for poverty to ‘magically’ paper over their poverty problem.

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  217. Daemon says:
    @JohnPlywood

    At least you’re logically consistent, I’ll give you that.

    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    The salt is real.

  218. Ber says:
    @denk

    If you have unlimited ability to print money, then you can buy almost anyone.

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  219. Anonymous[389] • Disclaimer says:

    Are there any Chinese speakers that could explain this video clip for us? Apparently it’s from a Taiwanese TV program that aired recently where they discuss how the coronavirus may have originated in the US:

    https://m.weibo.cn/status/4477008216030027

    Apparently there was also a Japanese TV program recently that discussed the same thing, although I haven’t been able to locate any clips of it.

    China’s top epidemiologist, Zhong Nanshan, who discovered the SARS outbreak, gave a press conference the other day where he said the virus may not have originated in China.

  220. Mike P says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    The best estimates are that 25k are already dead in Wuhan and the total deaths in Hubei province may be as high as 50k. The CCP claims less than 3000 deaths yet dozens of crematoriums have been running 24-7 for 4-5 weeks.

    Where did you get those death counts from, or the info that the crematoria are running non-stop?

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  221. denk says:

    Basically,
    it says the Covid 19 virus propagated all over the world can be grouped under five ‘families’, kinda like grandpa, grandma, son, grandsons, grand grand son , in the order ABCDE, A being the very source.

    China’s cases, inspite of its vast numer, are found to be under group C, D.

    US, even tho with a very small known cases, encompass all the five families.

    This implies that China couldnt be the source of Covid19, cuz C would’ve to be mutated from B, which is absent in China.
    US with the complete family tree , including the grand pa, grandma, could well be the source itself, meaning many of its ‘flu patients’ could well be Covid 19 cases.

    This video has gone viral .

    I think Ayatolla Smith has basically mentioned the same report.
    But this video with its graphic presentation makes it very intuitive.

    • Replies: @denk
  222. denk says:
    @Ber

    Perhaps [[[they]]] make an offer Rappopport or Boyle couldnt refuse, like…
    ‘Do you wanna end up like Frank Olsen, or Plummer ?’

  223. denk says:

    To those nutjobs like canspeccy , pft etc etc who suggest that this is a CCP population culling caper,
    I say fuck you, take back your western ‘values‘ and shove it up yours.

    From the horse mouth…

    ————————————
    “One-fourth of humanity must be eliminated from the social body. We are in charge of God’s selection process for planet Earth. He selects, we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.” ~ Barbara Marx Hubbard
    [US army think tank, Delta Force]

    [MORE]

    “The world today has 6.8 billion people…that’s headed up to about 9 billion. If we do a really great job on vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent.” ~ Bill Gates

    “In the event that I am reincarnated, I would like to return as a deadly virus, in order to contribute something to solve overpopulation.” ~ Prince Philip

    “Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries” ~ Henry A. Kissinger

    “The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.” ~ John Holdren [Scientific adviser to Obama]

    “I just wonder what it would be like to be reincarnated in an animal whose species had been so reduced in numbers than it was in danger of extinction. What would be its feelings toward the human species whose population explosion had denied it somewhere to exist. I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.” ~ Prince Philip

    “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis.” ~ David Rockefeller

    “Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind” ~ Theodore Roosevelt

    “Adding a sterilant to drinking water or staple foods is a suggestion that seems to horrify people, most – than most proposals for involuntarily fertility control.” ~ John Holdren

    “If a Black Death could be spread throughout the world once in every generation survivors could procreate freely without making the world too full.” ~ Bertrand Russell

    “We believe unbelievable progress can be made, in both inventing new vaccines and making sure they get out to all the children who need them.” ~ Bill Gates

    “The destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body.” ~ Barbara Marx Hubbard

    “War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. “We’ve got airborne diseases with 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. “You know, the bird flu’s good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine” ~ Eric Pianka

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  224. anon[147] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    they peruse the other commenters for someone to provoke and animadvert,

    an·i·mad·vert
    /ˌanəmadˈvərt/

    verb FORMAL
    verb: animadvert; 3rd person present: animadverts; past tense: animadverted; past participle: animadverted; gerund or present participle: animadverting

    pass criticism or censure on; speak out against.

    thx (internet shorthand for Thanks, informal of Thank you)
    added to working vocabulary

    • Replies: @Sean
  225. denk says:
    @denk

    that’s for anon389 !!

  226. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @denk

    Denk must be the House Troll. Occasionally articulate, he is not the moron his remarks suggest when he resorts, as he frequently does, to absurd lies cloaked in obscenities.

    As to function, the job of the house troll is evidently to smear those who don’t buy the Unz line of relentless anti-Americanism and hyperventilating anti-Semitism.

    Denk, in fact, represents the essence of the Unz review. It’s a propaganda operation with objectives very different from those assumed by Unz’s naive anti-Semitic followers.

  227. Sean says:
    @anon


    At the behest of cruel and superstitious Chinese, these cute animals are captured, beaten, boiled alive, and driven to extinction.

    Scales Of Justice AKA Pangolin Payback.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-51496830
    According to Prof Kate Jones of University College London, there is some evidence bats have adapted to the energetic demands of flight and are better at repairing DNA damage. “This might enable them to cope with a higher burden of viruses before getting sick – but this is just an idea at present.”

    There’s no doubt that the behaviour of bats allows viruses to thrive. “When you consider the very way that they live, then they are going to have a large array of viruses,” says Prof Jonathan Ball from the University of Nottingham. “And because they’re mammals there’s a possibility that some of them can infect humans either directly or through an intermediate host species.”

  228. @The Scalpel

    I have seen it suggested, that OK is not, originally an abbreviation for orl korrect, but came out of Alaska, where a number of people, specifically miners in the Gold Rush were Russian speakers who used the expression “Очень хорошо” transliterated something like “ochin khoroshow” and English speaking miners brought the expression back to the rest of the States.

    • Thanks: The Scalpel
  229. FB says: • Website
    @The Scalpel

    …but I am smart enough to know that some folks your age are still intellectually even physically vigorous and productive – you are not one of them.

    LOL

  230. @Really No Shit

    What incentives does the non-Asian world have to accept the Han hegemonic power?

    My apologies in advance if you are joking! My impression is that the Chinese do not want hegemony. They say, and I believe them, that they want to trade and for that they need countries that are prosperous as trading partners. Being a hegemon is a very arduous and ultimately self-defeating occupation, so why try? I think, that the West’s fear of Chinese hegemony is a case of projection, not something logically deducible from Chinese actions.

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Really No Shit
  231. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parfois1

    Hello, Mr. “Sometimes1” (“Parfois1”).

    How do you do, sir? (Or are you female? Somehow I sense you’re a male.)

    I just read a few of your posts — the one to which this post replies, and your other posts, including your other posts that attempt to slam BOTH Loup-Bouc’s comments AND Loup-Bouc, himself. I’ve read Loup-Bouc’s posts, too, and also posts of others who tried to discredit BOTH Loup-Bouc’s criticism of Pepe Escobar’s unprepared use of STEM and PPP AND Loup-Bouc’s character.

    [MORE]

    I could have replied to sundry other here-relevant posts, like posts of Naill, The Scalpel, NoseytheDuke, or Wizard of Oz. But, adventitiously, if not haphazardly, I fell into responding to your post (of February 27, 2020 at 5:13 am GMT), one of several that try to slam Loup-Bouc’s criticizing Pepe Escobar’s using unprepared capital-letter abbreviation (acronym or other such abbreviation) of names or formal terms bearing more than one word.

    Or, maybe I chose you because you succeed in seeming just too grizzly cute.

    Yours:

    “Rules-based system”!!! The joke of the century. Straight from the CFR’s rulebook! (Sorry Loup-Bouc to put you to the trouble of another search… if you are still with us.)

    Try AEDPA (without Googling it).

    Or try what I (Polemistís Anachronis) would mean if I, not Pepe Escobar, cited APA.

    Loup-Bouc was right. Pepe Escobar was wrong.

    Pepe Escobar’s article offers some virtuous observations. But their presentation is marred by Pepe Escobar’s unprepared use of STEM and PPP, which, surely, caused many readers to cut from reading his article.

    Cf. the comment that Sean posted February 27, 2020 at 11:29 am GMT

    Cf. also the comment that Alfred posted at February 26, 2020 at 7:56 am GMT.

    Alfred said [February 26, 2020 at 7:56 am GMT]:

    The writer of this article [Pepe Escobar] was lazy. It would take minimal effort to write out the full meaning before using the acronym. He does it only once, but I suspect that tens of thousands of people might read this article — of whom thousands may have to look up the meanings of these acronyms. A disrespect to his readership.

    PPP has 150 possible meanings — https://www.acronymfinder.com/ppp.html
    STEM has 30 possible meanings — https://www.acronymfinder.com/stem.html

    Sean said [February 27, 2020 at 11:29 am GMT]:

    I did not know what it [“PPP” or “STEM”] meant. Escobar was being a little meretricious in my opinion, and it detracted from him getting across what he was trying to say because I had to stop reading and go back to find the original non abbreviated use (which wasn’t there) then open a tab to check what was meant by it. In a long winded article, Escobar probably lost readers before the end because of making them backtrack and go off in search of definitions.

    Oh, a hot ontological question: Are you sometimes a Sometimes other than 1 — or the specious “value” of zero factorial?

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  232. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    There was colonialism after WWII, sure, but we choose that inflection point because it was that war that sparked lots of meeting and discussing among Western leaders to create International Law, human rights law, etc. The anti-colonial movements, as we all know, followed this, in the 50’s and 60’s.

    Modern Western aid to Africa is a good example of how we are not at all engaging in colonialism or “winner-take-all.” The West merely injects capital to the best business leaders in Africa. The point is to allow Africans complete control.

    I do not think that fighting Communism was not an attempt at colonialism or extraction. We got nothing out of those wars!

    The Middle Eastern Wars are also not winner-take-all, and we are not profiting from them.

    At the end of the day, the US has not, and never will, “take the oil,” from the Syria, despite the terrible optics of Trump’s bad wording, despite the common wisdom in China, and despite the claims of the crazed writers on Unz. You can read the reality of the situation with the US and oil here https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/keeping-oil-syria-trump-considered-war-crime/story?id=66589757

    It is considered pillaging under international and US law. The US is actually just keeping the oil fields in the hands of “our allies” the Kurds, and they are the ones who profit.

    ———————

    There really is a modern “system of World Peace.” But forcing world peace can require violence (all force must be backed by violence). It requires lots of international trade, lots of migration, pressures on countries to secularize and acknowledge “human rights,” (hence the Homo in GloboHomo), respect for land claims, organized sanctions against those who violate international agreements, etc.

    Why? The “human rights” abuses can spark civil wars, religious states tend towards religious violence, diversity promotes tolerance and breaks down group identity, etc. All of these things are true. If you get rid of the collectivism, nationalism, racism, religion, etc. that drive war, you probably won’t have war anymore.

    I am just not interested in this world.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    , @Parfois1
  233. Ty says:

    The death throws of a dying empire, all the flailing and screaming will get you less than nothing in the end. The brain dead stupid thing about bio weapons, if it be true that America used this against China, is that two can play that game, and many more as well… so your already cornered your self into a dead end, as you will see shortly.

  234. Parfois1 says:
    @foolisholdman

    I think, that the West’s fear of Chinese hegemony is a case of projection, not something logically deducible from Chinese actions.

    Foolisholdman, in spite of some odd quirks, is one of the sanest round here.

    From my understanding of the historic record, at one stage in the XV century the Chinese trading junks went as far as Ethiopia, although limited to skirting the coasts of Southern Asia where the markets could be found. Yet, they never thought of or intended to extend the home empire beyond its borders – a relatively easy task if they so wished.

    I have even read some foolish comments that the Chinese, being at the forefront of many inventions, could have gone as far as Europe if they so wished and inverted the course of history, that is, taking over Europe! It was never on the cards, for cultural, technological and military reasons. It took the Portuguese about half century to gather all resources and know-how of the times to make it round Africa and reach India in 1498.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Mary Marianne
  235. @Anon

    @Tor597 seems to believe that only white people ever exploit others, I suppose some commenters don’t get out much.

    The Middle Eastern Wars are also not winner-take-all, and we are not profiting from them.

    Who is “we”?

    There really is a modern “system of World Peace.” But forcing world peace can require violence (all force must be backed by violence).

    Sounds a lot like Pax Romana and solitudinem faciunt pacem appellant: They make a desert and call it peace or Pax Americana “We had to destroy the village in order to save it”.

  236. Parfois1 says:
    @Anonymous

    Apologies if this disappoints you: occasionally, in the heat of the moment, one can indulge in some harmless banter about other’s perceived shortcomings. I have been singled out a few times for public mockery too. So what? Oftentimes this happens as a comic relief and that is good… maybe except for the butt of the joke!

    I apologised profusely to Monsieur loup and publicly admitted my irreverence, if for nothing else, my safety! Can’t forget the fright I had as a 5-year old when I had my first encounter with one when I got lost in the forest chasing a rabbit and the ground covered with snow (couldn’t find the path). Straight from Grimms’ fairy tales! But true – the kid used his wits and climbed up a pine tree and was later rescued and now tell the story.

    There are numerous clear hints (and riddles!) on what side of the gender fence I am.

    Cheers

  237. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @Parfois1

    Yours:

    I have even read some foolish comments that the Chinese, being at the forefront of many inventions, could have gone as far as Europe if they so wished and inverted the course of history, that is, taking over Europe! It was never on the cards, for cultural, technological and military reasons. It took the Portuguese about half century to gather all resources and know-how of the times to make it round Africa and reach India in 1498.

    Your history is wrong, much because it is materially incomplete.

    The Chinese sailed much farther, in ships about 3/5 large as WWII aircraft carriers, ships that could sail AGAINST the wind. And the Chinese had huge cannon, multi-stage rockets, and rifle-like guns, all of which the Chinese, not Europeans, invented (before Europe had any firearms).

    Still, most important, is your failing to observe that those Chinese traded peacefully with other peoples, did not invade them or use their (the Chinese’s) cannon, rockets, or rifles to force other peoples to trade. Just so, now, China’s new “Silk Road” or “Belt & Road.”

    How suicidally stupid & primitive the West.

  238. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sean

    I disagree that Mearsheimer’s views are uncommon. Most of the American foreign policy establishment supports either American hegemony or some sort of balance of power and containment of rivals.

    I think Bass and elements of the Deep State have a mutually beneficial and reinforcing relationship whereby Bass is able to capitalize on his insider connections while promoting the messaging of some of the more hawkish elements of the Deep State in his role as a public figure in the media.

    Military intelligence knew about Chinese intervention during the Korean War and warned MacArthur about it. The problem was that MacArthur had enormous power and there was a personality cult around MacArthur. MacArthur chose to ignore the intel and was surrounded by yes men and flunkies who would not challenge him.

    • Replies: @Sean
  239. Parfois1 says:
    @Anon

    Modern Western aid to Africa is a good example of how we are not at all engaging in colonialism or “winner-take-all.” The West merely injects capital to the best business leaders in Africa. The point is to allow Africans complete control.

    Good Lord! (A very unusual imprecation from my repertoire! Elicited by such enormity…)

    Have you been to “lunartic” regions since early childhood and suddenly parachuted into UR? I’m lost for words… a rare event.

    • Replies: @FB
  240. FB says: • Website
    @Parfois1

    Parf, it bears mentioning that so-called ‘aid’ is really aiding only the imperialist west…and specifically the parasite banking sector, plus large corporations…

    ‘Aid’ is actually LOANS, not gifts…big difference…those loans come from western banks which create that money from thin air…I have talked previously how the whole parasite banking system hinges on finding new debtors [people, corporations or countries] that seek loans…

    As for this retarded numbskull’s noises about ‘best business leaders’ in Africa that are the recipients of such loans…Wow…an Alice in Wonderland moment…

    The reality is that this western loansharking racket to the developing world finds precisely the most CORRUPT ‘business leaders’ [LOL…love that phrasing]…

    The racket works like this…a big loan is arranged…the parasite banks [usually a consortium] create this money by the stroke of a keypad…the corrupt local elite skims a good portion off the top, which is spread around that elite in order to prop it up and keep it in power…the rest goes to pre-defined western firms and contractors that actually build or provide the service for whatever was the purpose of the ‘aid’ to begin with…lastly, the retarded domestic zombies are informed by the idiot box that we are spreading ‘aid’ to all corners of the world…

    Pretty fucking hilarious…

    • Agree: CanSpeccy
    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  241. denk says:

    Meanwhile in LIverpool, a bus with Covid19
    ‘suspects’ on its way to hospital….

    • Replies: @denk
  242. @Parfois1

    You’re describing the fleet of Zheng He from the Ming dynasty.

  243. Sean says:
    @Anonymous

    Military intelligence knew about Chinese intervention during the Korean War and warned MacArthur about it. The problem was that MacArthur had enormous power and there was a personality cult around MacArthur. MacArthur chose to ignore the intel and was surrounded by yes men and flunkies who would not challenge him

    The army was focused on Europe, wanted out of Korea (considered a hardship post) and ran down the efficacy of keeping any forces in Korea. There was a great decrease in US army forces in Korea in the run up to the war. Most in the US government saw through a prism of Moscow masterminding all moves everywhere in the world by communists and Europe being the focus of their efforts.

    After the Inchon landing, the CIA did warn that game changing intervention was within the capabilities of China and several hundred thousand Chinese troops had arrived or were converging on Manchuria and if China intervened it would likely be crossing the border under the pretext of the troops being volunteers.

    However, the major factor was the Chinese went quiet and were not threatening in the way that Americans thought would be proportionate to real resolve for intervention. Consequently that the US assumed China had decided against intervention was partly the Chinese’s fault. MacArthur was not out of line with the balance of opinion even in the CIA, and the relevant analyst Ray Cline latert became its head. Even after the Chinese had 40.000 men engaged in fighting the UN forces the US government was loath to acknowledge what was happening. MacArthur made a mistake no question, but he was not alone. Unlike the others he learned from it because he warned Kennedy and Johnson against the second Asian land war (Vietnam), but they wouldn’t listen and nor would the liberal elite of the time. Or Cline.

    Mearsheimer says China will not let itself be contained and it will be too strong for the US to contain without Russian help (in addition to an alliance including Japan and India). America could just decide force majeure applies and, leaving all those countries to be Finlandized, withdraw to the Americas militarily, while the US elite take huge profits. That is the way things are heading unless Trump is re-elected and maybe even then. Greed rather than chauvinism is prominent in the power elite. I don’t think the Pentagon, Deep State, and Bass amount to much when it come to altering the course America is on. Too many Wall St lobbists want economic engagement because that is where the money is in the short and even medium term. These people were heedless in the runup to the 2008 financial crisis, and they remain dominant

  244. denk says:
    @denk

    Barbara Marx Hubbard
    [US army think tank, Delta Force]

    We are the riders of the pale horse, Death.” ~

    MESSAGE HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT ?

    May be just another coincidence ???

  245. Meena says:

    https://www.ft.com/content/5cfea02e-549f-11ea-90ad-25e377c0ee1f?segmentId=ea1dd4c0-c7c8-c198-8a10-2ba258aa73e0

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/crisis-will-spill-over-disaster-drdoom-sees-40-collapse-delusional-stock-market

    Why Nourie Roubini in Zerohedge and why FT are predicting wars in China and war with Iran as way out for Trump wrecked by virus and wrecked possible financial crashes ?

    • Replies: @Meena
  246. xcd says:
    @vot tak

    Thanks for labelling the tag team gibberish for what it is. Some people can’t stand it that Pepe Escobar still cannot be bought.

  247. Meena says:
    @Meena

    Roubini: Not at all. He will lose the election, that’s for sure.

    DER SPIEGEL: A bold prediction. What makes you so sure?

    Roubini: Because there is a significant risk of a war between the U.S. and Iran. The U.S. government wants regime change, and they will bomb the hell out of the Iranians. But Iranians are used to suffering, believe me, I am an Iranian Jew, and I know them! And the Iranians also want regime change in the U.S. The tensions will drive up oil prices and lead inevitably to Trumps defeat in the elections.

    DER SPIEGEL: What makes you so sure?

    Roubini: This has always the case in history. Ford lost to Carter after the 1973 oil shock, Carter lost to Reagan due to the second oil crisis in 1979, and Bush lost to Clinton after the Kuwait invasion. The Democratic field is poor, but Trump is dead. Quote me on that!

    DER SPIEGEL: A war against Iran is needed to beat Trump?

    Roubini: Absolutely, and it’s worth it. Four more years of Trump means economic war!

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/crisis-will-spill-over-disaster-drdoom-sees-40-collapse-delusional-stock-market

    His arguement doesn’t make sense but his Jewish background makes it clear.

  248. xcd says:
    @Mike P

    From Falungong via the US mouthpiece.

  249. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @FB

    In the 30’s Maynard Keynes came up with the idea of printing money to reverse the deflationary trend (i.e., the rising value of money which, by raising real wages, drove up unemployment) and thereby lift the economy out of depression. The money was to be created by the central bank and spent by they government on infrastructure. Hitler agreed and built autobahnen, military aircraft and artillery.

    During the period of post-war reconstruction, government spending generally exceeded revenue and the deficit was covered by government money printing, which created inflation, thus were real wages kept in check and full employment achieved. By the sixties, however, the banksters expanded their own money printing operation, known as fractional reserve banking. Thus for every dollar of real assets that a bank possessed it could lend a multiple of that amount.

    This process of private money printing was initially on a limited and strictly controlled scale. Consumer loans were subject to strict limitations. Likewise, mortgage lending. Nevertheless, the effect of government plus bank money creation was inflation, which robbed savers of the value of their money.

    But having the means to print their own money, the banks naturally found ways to corrupt both government and the people until, today, citizens of the Western nations have never before been so deeply indebted. Thus, Canadians, for example, currently owe $1.47 trillion in mortgage debt and $783 billion in consumer credit and non-mortgage loans, or about $64,000 for every man, woman and child.

    Time to toss the usurers in the nearest river and declare a debt jubilee.

  250. Rollmop says:
    @JohnPlywood

    Then why can I find a paper in Nature about the spread of Han genes throughout China?

    I get it, you don’t like the Chinese. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

    Face it, they’re already eating your lunch, they don’t even need the “five thousand years of history” stuff really.

  251. FRMS says:
    @Loup-Bouc

    I’m gonna pile on to this guy for fun, even though he has already been ably handled.

    “My legal papers win”

    You are clearly not an attorney. Such a phrase would not even occur to a lawyer, even one laboring under ESL (a recondite acronym you may look up, if you wish).

    It would, however, occur to someone who has spent too long in school.

  252. FRMS says:
    @Jason Liu

    As someone else pointed out, the Chinese have zero understanding of how to run propaganda operations. That’s why it blows my mind how well they do in business.

    But what will happen when the Jason Lius, who DO have understanding, start to help their countrymen out? When you combine the no-BS sociological wisdom of the Chinese (as described by Mr. Liu in his brilliant book-length comment on the Unz essay on China back in 2013) with a little more verbal sophistication, look out world.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  253. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @FRMS

    “My legal papers win”

    You are clearly not an attorney. Such a phrase would not even occur to a lawyer

    Seemingly, you are not an attorney either. Neither am I, but a Google search for “legal papers” yielded the following:

    legal papers that are filed in court at the beginning of a lawsuit are called “pleadings.”

    So the phrase you say “would not even occur to a lawyer,” seems in fact, to be entirely consistent with legal usage of the term “legal papers”.

    The same Google search results page includes this:

    Legal writing is the style of writing used when you’re writing a document that’s filed or presented at court. When legal documents are poorly written, the judge has difficulty understanding your situation and your legal arguments might be lost.

    Which is consistent with the statement:

    In my fields, mature, serious writers follow the rule that the writer owes the reader immediate clarity and refined prose.

    which is a nicely constructed sentence that provides the reader: “immediate clarity and refined prose.”

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  254. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @CanSpeccy

    But the purported lawyer whose credibility you question could be criticized for use, in public debate, of the term “legal papers” without explanatory elaboration, since the phrase must be considered every bit as much a piece of lawyers’ jargon, as the abbreviation ppp is economists’ argot.

    Moreover, when he states that “my colleagues find “purchasing power parity” a bit of alliterative fluff bearing little or no economics-usefulness” he merely asserts the severe limitation of a lawyer” understanding of economics.

  255. @clickkid

    ” America, by contrast,, is a collection of individuals from all over the world who just happen to live in the same legal jurisdiction.”

    But it never started out that way.

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