The Unz Review: An Alternative Media Selection
A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
 BlogviewPepe Escobar Archive
Iran and China Turbo-Charge the New Silk Roads
🔊 Listen RSS
Email This Page to Someone

 Remember My Information



=>
A picture provided by the Iranian Presidency on January 23, 2016, shows Iranian President Hassan Rouhani (R) and Chinese President Xi Jinping (L) attend a press conference following their meeting in Tehran. (Photo by HO / IRANIAN PRESIDENCY / AFP)

Bookmark Toggle AllToCAdd to LibraryRemove from Library • BShow CommentNext New CommentNext New ReplyRead More
ReplyAgree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
AgreeDisagreeThanksLOLTroll
These buttons register your public Agreement, Disagreement, Thanks, LOL, or Troll with the selected comment. They are ONLY available to recent, frequent commenters who have saved their Name+Email using the 'Remember My Information' checkbox, and may also ONLY be used three times during any eight hour period.
Ignore Commenter Follow Commenter
Search Text Case Sensitive  Exact Words  Include Comments
List of Bookmarks

Two of the US’s top “strategic threats” are getting closer and closer within the scope of the New Silk Roads – the leading 21st century project of economic integration across Eurasia. The Deep State will not be amused.

Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi blasted as “lies” a series of rumors about the “transparent roadmap” inbuilt in the evolving Iran-China strategic partnership.

That was complemented by President Rouhani’s chief of staff, Mahmoud Vezi, who said that “a destructive line of propaganda has been initiated and directed from outside Iran against the expansion of Iran’s relations with neighbors and especially (with) China and Russia.”

Vezi added, “this roadmap in which a path is defined for expansion of relations between governments and the private sectors is signed and will continue to be signed between many countries.”

To a great extent, both Mousavi and Vezi were referring to a sensationalist report which did not add anything that was not already known about the strategic partnership, but predictably dog-whistled a major red alert about the military alliance.

The Iran-China strategic partnership was officially established in 2016, when President Xi visited Tehran. These are the guidelines.

Two articles among the 20 listed in the agreement are particularly relevant.

Item 7 defines the scope of the partnership within the New Silk Roads vision of Eurasia integration: “The Iranian side welcomes ‘the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road’ initiative introduced by China. Relying on their respective strengths and advantages as well as the opportunities provided through the signing of documents such as the “MOU on Jointly Promoting the Silk Road Economic Belt and the 21st Century Maritime Silk Road’ and ‘MOU on Reinforcement of Industrial and Mineral Capacities and Investment’, both sides shall expand cooperation and mutual investments in various areas including transportation, railway, ports, energy, industry, commerce and services.”

And item 10 praises Iran’s membership of the AIIB: “The Chinese side appreciates Iran’s participation as a ‘Founding Member’ of the Asia Infrastructure Investment Bank. Both sides are willing to strengthen their cooperation in the relevant areas and join their efforts towards the progress and prosperity of Asia.”

So what’s the deal?

The core of the Iran-China strategic partnership – no secret whatsoever since at least last year – revolves around a $400 billion Chinese investment in Iran’s energy and infrastructure for the next 25 years. It’s all about securing a matter of supreme Chinese national interest: a steady supply of oil and gas, bypassing the dangerous bottleneck of the Strait of Malacca, secured with a median 18% discount, and paid in yuan or in a basket of currencies bypassing the US dollar.

Beijing will also invest roughly $228 billion in Iranian infrastructure – that’s where the AIIB comes in – over 25 years, but especially up to 2025. That ranges from building factories to badly needed energy industry renovation, all the way to the already in progress construction of the 900 km-long electric rail from Tehran to Mashhad.

Tehran, Qom and Isfahan will also be linked by high-speed rail – and there will be an extension to Tabriz, an important oil, gas and petrochemical node and the starting point of the Tabriz-Ankara gas pipeline.

ORDER IT NOW

All of the above makes total sense in New Silk Road terms, as Iran is a key Eurasian crossroads. High-speed rail traversing Iran will connect Urumqi in Xinjiang to Tehran, via four of the Central Asian “stans” (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan) all the way to West Asia, across Iraq and Turkey, and further on to Europe: a techno revival of the Ancient Silk Roads, where the main language of trade between East and West across the heartland was Persian.

The terms of aerial and naval military cooperation between Iran and China and also Russia are still not finalized – as Iranian sources told me. And no one has had access to the details. What Mousavi said, in a tweet, was that “there is nothing [in the agreement] about delivering Iranian islands to China, nothing about the presence of military forces, and other falsehoods.”

The same applies to – totally unsubstantiated – speculation that the PLA would be granted bases in Iran and be allowed to station troops in Iranian territory.

Last Sunday, Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif stressed Iran and China had been negotiating “with confidence and conviction” and there was “nothing secret” about the agreement.

Iranian, Chinese and Russian negotiators will meet next month to discuss terms of the military cooperation among the top three nodes of Eurasia integration. Closer collaboration is scheduled to start by November.

Geopolitically and geoeconomically, the key take away is that the US relentless blockade of the Iranian economy, featuring hardcore weaponized sanctions, is impotent to do anything about the wide-ranging Iran-China deal. Here is a decent expose of some of the factors in play.

The Iran-China strategic partnership is yet another graphic demonstration of what could be deconstructed as the Chinese brand of exceptionalism: a collective mentality and enough organized planning capable of establishing a wide-ranging, win-win, economic, political and military partnership.

It’s quite instructive to place the whole process within the context of what State Councilor and Foreign Minister Wang Yi stressed at a recent China-US Think Tanks meeting, attended, among others, by Henry Kissinger:

“One particular view has been floating around in recent years, alleging that the success of China’s path will be a blow and threat to the Western system and path. This claim is inconsistent with facts, and we do not agree with it. Aggression and expansion are never in the genes of the Chinese nation throughout its 5,000 years of history. China does not replicate any model of other countries, nor does it export its own to others. We never ask other countries to copy what we do. More than 2,500 years ago, our forefathers advocated that ‘All living things can grow in harmony without hurting one another, and different ways can run in parallel without interfering with one another’”.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
• Category: Economics • Tags: China, Eurasia, Iran, New Silk Road 
Hide 56 CommentsLeave a Comment
Commenters to Ignore...to FollowEndorsed Only
Trim Comments?
    []
  1. I remember how all used to laugh when China referred to the USA as a “paper tiger”. Considering what has been happening in the USA for the past few months, it’s no longer a laughing matter.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  2. Pepe Escobar is a favorite source of mine.
    Erudite and Truthful: He’s been to nearly every place he mentions in his scholarly essays.
    Bravo!

  3. @Montefrío

    In all honesty – what was Trump trying to accomplish other than war with Iran?? Removing the US from the nuclear agreement and then trying to destroy Iran’s economy was only going to make it more defiant. It’s just like the blockade against Cuba. It doesn’t work.
    No sane person wants more nuclear weapons… The agreement wasn’t going to kill the possibility of Iran getting them – but it most certainly would have slowed it down. Pulling out of the agreement will only make it more likely to pursue. The only way to stop it would be war. Same with North Korea. Sanctions aren’t going to work. The best way is to allow them to build their economy and be secure. It seems some in DC can’t understand the concept. So they keep making the same mistakes over and over and over.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  4. Not sure if anyone thought China would drop its investment plans in Iran because of US sanctions. Some speculate the deal will include the port that India abandoned plans to develop because of US pressure..

    I doubt there will be any military of China or Russia troops or such in Iran…. More likely I think that part of the agreement is about Iran joining the SCO.

  5. Pepe, I wouldn’t be so bullish on China/Iran working out. China’s been trying to get a port lease on the Persian Gulf for years now, and the Persians, loving their country and their ancestral homeland — have been endlessly demurring on the subject. I suspect that there will be a diplomatic scuff soon, and the Iranians who haven’t yet bought into the new Chinese Empire will be crushed.

    I say this as a fellow expat out here in Zhongguo. I’m rooting for the Chinese over the tribal religionists, frankly. My expectation is that Pakistan will become the new darling of China’s ambitions soon, anyway. Not sure if Iran ever sees much net benefit.

  6. @Supply and Demand

    There will not be a new Chinese Empire. China could not become an empire even if it wanted to because Russia would never allow it. In fact, I half-expect that Russia will turn against China long before the BRI gains any major momentum.

  7. @showmethereal

    “The best way is to allow them to build their economy and be secure. It seems some in DC can’t understand the concept. ”
    Iran hasn’t pursued nuclear weapons in 20 odd years — but that’s not the point. Two matters are to the point:
    1. Israel is utterly obsessed with Iran & most of the M.E. And as we all know: in the US, what Israel wants, Israel gets.
    2. The vicious circle: the further the US/West antagonizes & alienates the people of Iran the further it pushes them towards alliances with countries who are not agents of the West — ie China, Russia etc. The further Iran goes in that direction the further the US wants to destroy Iran.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  8. crh says:
    @Supply and Demand

    With respect, I couldn’t resist:

    You write: “I’m rooting for the Chinese over the tribal religionists, frankly.”

    …says the culture that literally drives species to extinction using obscure animal parts for home remedies that feature less science than voodoo.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  9. China has never had a population of 1.4 billion people in its history. China has been attempting to exert its force in the world, and many leaders of other countries are not on board with China’s exercise of force. The U.K. is upset with China because the British-Sino agreement stipulated that Hong Kong would remain independent until 1947. China has had a 50 year history of violating agreements with the United States. The United States leaders are equally to blame for placating American businesses with conflicts of interest in the United States and China to be writing the policies of both countries.

    Chinese media attempted to incite national hysteria in Kazakhstan over pneumonia, claiming that there was a new and deadly viral pneumonia strain, attemting to start testing and invoking emergency orders which were denounced and shot down by Kazakhi officials.

    Russia also seems to be becoming fed up with the lack of Chinese diplomacy.

    I do not believe that most Iranians will be happy about Chinese military bases in Iran. Iranians are very independently minded people. The Iranaian government has the capacity to rebuild those ports and infastructure if it chose to. In Iran, homes are torn down and rebuilt when sold, which are purchased for the property and not the homes, and they are constructed out of steel and concrete, like fortresses. There is not a shortage of materials in Iran. The United States demonization through sanctions have led to a decrease in demand for its exports, so the Iranian government has not had the incentive to be investing in those structures caused by a lack of demand resulting from internationally imposed United States sanctions.

    It is foolish for the Iranian government to have Chinese military bases in Iran, with the population of China being 1.4 billion, they could use Iran to expand and take over everything east of Iran.

    China has border disputes with India that have not been settled as well.

    China is not a very reputable player. Win win for China means that that the country that they are dealing with lose loses. That has been their history, and it cannot be ignored.

    The notion of U.S. global hegemony is ludicrous. If the U.S. has had U.S. hegemony since the fall of the USSR, we have to wonder how our hegemony allowed us to become a debtor nation with our imports exceeding our exports and a sky rocketing national debt. If that is anyone’s idea of hegemony, let them have it!

    • Disagree: Mary Marianne
    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @d dan
    , @Anon401
  10. Despite the flaws of these nations, the world desperately needs a counterweight to the US on the world stage. Suck it, neocons!

    • Agree: Marshal Marlow
  11. @crh

    You might want to check who has driven more species to extinction – maybe not for home remedies – but for blood lust. You also might want to check the rankings of most bio-diverse nations. It would actually go against your assertions.

    • Replies: @Supply and Demand
  12. @animalogic

    Well it is true – that Iran does want to get rid of Israel… It doesn’t mind Jews (Iran actually is probably the “friendliest” when it comes to having Jews living in it’s territory in the middle east). Removing the Jewish state isn’t going to happen. Israel also of course is going to defend itself. But the US problem is picking sides – rather than trying to be a referee.

    • Replies: @KA
  13. @No Friend Of The Devil

    Almost everything you wrote is false. I will just mention just one. Read the Joint Declaration and the Basic Law. Hong Kong is noted to be a sovereign part of China. It was afforded a high degree of autonomy – NOT total autonomy and certainly not independence. It’s autonomy related to economic system and judicial system. That did NOT include issues related to national security. That is spelled out in the documents that anything related to that and foreign relations is at the discretion of Beijing.
    If you even knew the history you would know the 50 year time line was the Chinese side concession because the leaders didn’t think they could manage Hong Kong at the time because they were so far behind.

  14. Anonymous[113] • Disclaimer says:

    ” Aggression and expansion are never in the genes of the Chinese nation throughout its 5,000 years of history. ”

    I looks to me like China has nothing but a history of invasion and expansion for at least the past 3000 years.

    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Alfred
  15. d dan says:
    @No Friend Of The Devil

    “China has been attempting to exert its force in the world…”

    When is the last time China had war with any nation – border fight using stones not counted? Can’t remember?

    “British-Sino agreement stipulated that Hong Kong would remain independent until 1947.”

    Hong Kong remain “independent”? In what sense? Have you ever read the agreement?

    “China has had a 50 year history of violating agreements with the United States. “

    With that “50 year history”, there must be plenty of examples – but you couldn’t even cite one clause of any one agreement?

    “Chinese media attempted to incite national hysteria in Kazakhstan over pneumonia, claiming that there was a new and deadly viral pneumonia strain…”

    Go and check the mortality rate of that virus before you comment. Furthermore, this is call freedom of press, isn’t it?

    “Chinese media … attemting [sic] to start testing and invoking emergency orders…”

    As if Kazakhstan is occupied by “Chinese media”.

    “I do not believe that most Iranians will be happy about Chinese military bases in Iran. “

    Neither is China interested in military bases in Iran. Both Iranian and Chinese officials have denied they are doing that, but that should not stop your insinuation – typical projection of evil empire’s mentality.

    Due to lack of mental capability, dumb people reflectively used what they are familiar with to fit into situations that are beyond their comprehension. They can’t imagine China could have different considerations and priorities for *NOT* wanting the bases, e.g. the risks to be dragged into US-Iran war or other Middle Eastern quagmires, etc.

    “The notion of U.S. global hegemony is ludicrous. “

    With hundreds of military bases around the world, and military spending bigger than the combined spending of the next 8 largest ones, your statement itself is ludicrous.

    “…we have to wonder how our hegemony allowed us to become a debtor nation with our imports exceeding our exports and a sky rocketing national debt. “

    Because there are too many lazy, brainwashed and stupid people in the country like you?

    Ahh, never have so many lies been packed in so little space. But think for the “bright side”, your “friend of evil” boss will only ask you to repeat those lies 999 more times because:

    “A lie told once remains a lie but a lie told 1000 times becomes the truth.” – by Joseph Goebbels

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  16. George says:

    Confucius say: Low oil prices will make trade with backward petro-states pointless. Turbo charge that Pepe.

  17. @showmethereal

    Ok, and? Animals are for gay conservationists like you to protect.

    • Troll: Showmethereal
  18. Before you start a world war, you secure the oil fields(ask hitler). This is China preparing for a coming conflict with the United States.

    • Replies: @Beavertales
  19. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @d dan

    I suppose invading and occupying tibet doesn’t count.

    • Replies: @d dan
  20. Anon401 says:
    @No Friend Of The Devil

    Another half-literate agent of Tel Aviv in Kowloon stopping by to remind the goyim that it’s in his best interest to die for the freedom of the Opium Isles.

  21. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “I suppose invading and occupying tibet doesn’t count.”

    Tibet has been part of China since at least Qinq dynasty – i.e. it has been part of China longer than the existence of many countries like US, Canada, Australia,…

    So, no, you don’t and can’t “invade and occupy” your own country.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @Daemon
  22. Daemon says:
    @d dan

    I’ve heard this same argument played out over and over again so I may as well explain what the crux of the issue is and how you can argue against them in the future.

    Under the post-ww2 liberal/westphalian nation state framework you are not supposed to regain lost territory from previous eras and especially not through military means, otherwise you are considered a ‘revanchist’ (See how Hungary was partitioned? Eat shit like Hungary!). The premise is that this will help avoid future wars, but really what its about is cementing the economic and military primacy of Washington.
    So arguing that Tibet has been part of China since the Yuans, Mings or whatever will have no effect on them. He never has and never will consider Tibet a part of China since chances are, he holds the post-ww2 liberal internationale world order to be wholly sacred.

    This is why to counter him, simply deny him the foothold of which his argument rests on.
    China has never been recognized the primacy of the post-ww2 liberal international world order and she never will. She has merely bided her time and tolerated the intolerable for 70 something years. No she needs to tolerate it no more.

    Of course, what comes next will most likely be a race war (physically and metaphorically). So I’d buckle in.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  23. New FTA: Brexit free trade deal ‘very close’ – UK finalising comprehensive agreement with Turkey

    ”There are more than 2,500 UK companies operating in Turkey including BP, Shell, Vodafone, Unilever, BAE Systems, HSBC, Aviva and Diageo.”

    ”The two sides met in London this week but the EU’s chief negotiation Michel Barnier said on Thursday “significant divergences” remain.”

    ”Britain is Turkey’s second-largest trading partner after Germany, and the agreement of a free trade deal would be crucial for Turkish manufacturers, particularly carmakers, textile factories and white goods producers.”

    https://www.bilaterals.org/?brexit-free-trade-deal-very-close

  24. China diplomacy: See how we lifted a billion people out of multi-generational systemic poverty inside 70 years? We can help you do that too.
    USA diplomacy: See how we destroyed the economies and bombed the infrastructure of all these small countries? We can do that to you too.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  25. @Daemon

    Doesn’t it depend on the Tibetans? They were swamped by Han to end the right of self-determination, I guess.

    Tibet is part of Mongolia, though they’re far apart.

    • Replies: @Barr
  26. “All things can grow in harmony”, yet all signs point to world war.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/
    In the words Confucius, still relevant today:
    “Study the past if you would define the future.”

  27. More than 2,500 years ago, our forefathers advocated that ‘All living things can grow in harmony without hurting one another, and different ways can run in parallel without interfering with one another’

    I guess they never saw those nature shows, where a tiger savages and devours some hapless creature. A more passive example, from my garden, is a eucalyptus tree literally growing to the side to keep distance from the ivy growing near it. Harmony? Perhaps. Interference? Definitely, from the viewpoint of the Eucalyptus. Lao Tzu or Sun Tzu?

    • Replies: @SomeoneInAsia
  28. @Daemon

    Except when the Qing Dyansty collapsed nobody recognized Tibet as a country. Tibetans zerved in the Qing court in the Forbidden City right up to the revolution in 1911. The Brits egged them on to try and become independent for their own nefarious purpose – but it never took. If you go read the constitution in Taipei – Taiwan you will see that Tibet is considered part of the Republic of China. Nobody recognized Tibet as ever having been independent until the CCP drove the KMT off the mainland onto Taiwan. Even US stamps from WW2 that were sold to support the war effort in China show Tibet as part of China. The CIA and British concocted story post 1950 doent add up with their own history. Brits just like other Europeans used to complain to the Qing in Beijing that they were not controlling Tibetans properly because Tibets would sometimes kill Christian missionaries. Now the history of Tibet and the Dalai Lamas has some sanitized Hollywood nonsense version only because the CCP got the upper hand in the civil war. If the KMT held the mainland – most people in the world would not have a clue who the Dalai Lama is nor would they know which is Tibet from which is Xian. You would get a blank stare. It would be under the Repbublic of China and they all would have learned Mandarin decades ago since that was the KMT who started that campaign of uniting the country under one language. The CCP let locals not have to learn Mandarin until very recently.

    • Replies: @Daemon
  29. KA says:
    @showmethereal

    No body is removing the Jewish state . Israel uses this argument to create tension hatred and perpetuate the myth of victimhood .Through this ploy ( Arabs want us be drowned into the sea . Arabs question the legitimacy of the State of Israel . Arabs dont want peace . Israel has no peace partner.Aneruca and Israel both are victims of terrorism ) Israel has kept the money flowing freely from USA and has conquered the USA’s levers of soft and hard powers . It has not bothered to think of negotiation in good faith because it has learned that it can twist and control USA to serve its interests Interests which without consequences from the way or how Israel gets it ,has kept on changing and increasing and now in plain sight hurting US’s reputation ,military powers and economic conditions .

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  30. Barr says:
    @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Tibet China mad Mongolia with borderlands of Afghanistan or Xinxiang have existed as empire , as independent states, as expanded or contracted versions of the current boundaries on various occasions in the post almost for last 2 millennia. Distinctly religious character was the feature of expanded Tibetan empire but not of Chinese or Mongolian .

    Also unfortunately Tibetan Buddhism that informed the narrative of the Tibetian empire was far more oppressive and exploitative and oppressive than any empire of that region .
    Tibet now under Hollywood received a far better appraisal than it ever deserved..

    • Agree: showmethereal
  31. Daemon says:
    @Showmethereal

    They. Don’t. Care.

    The thought of a gigantic country with a huge population of smart, hard-working and ridiculously competitive people without an underclass of bioleninist detritus dragging them down working against the international world order that they have been propagandized to believe (and by god are they Believers) will bring them wealth, status and prosperity that they are seeing being dismantled in real time puts the fear of god into them.

    They know their time is up. But they won’t accept it.
    That is the REAL issue. Everything else is a distraction.

    So if they had any interest or ANY inclination towards truth, they wouldnt be on the anti-china side to begin with. So they’re not Pro-Tibet, they’re anti-China. You’ve got to stop assuming they’re arguing in good faith from the get go. They sense that as weakness. Just punch them in the jugular and move on.

    • Agree: d dan, Ghan-buri-Ghan
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  32. @Daemon

    ooops… I replied to the wrong person… but I agree with your comment.

  33. @KA

    Don’t let your hatred of Jews cloud reality. Whether one agrees with them or not… It’s not a conspiracy… Are you now claiming Egypt didn’t lead all the neighboring Arab states to attempt to wipe out Israel? Egypt and Jordan made formal peace with Israel for what reason then??? And as much as I would like to see Iran prosper – it is no conspiracy to say that the Ayatollah has stated many times they would wipe out Israel. It literally is posted on walls in the country. Again it is the State as opposed to Jews (the fight has always been about Jerusalem)… Jews actually live pretty well in Iran – compared to the rest of the middle east.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  34. orionyx says:

    the Ayatollah has stated many times they would wipe out Israel

    Back up this ridiculous assertion with just one quote from one actual Ayatollah, in the Farsi original, with whatever translation you have been told is correct.

    I won’t be holding my breath.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  35. Alfred says:
    @Anonymous

    China and Russia both expanded – at the expense of the nomads who lived between these two great civilisations. Read Arnold Toynbee to get an idea of how it worked.

    A Study of History, Vol. 1: Abridgement of Volumes I-VI

  36. @orionyx

    don’t be a coward next time and reply directly to the comment so I can know you asked a question… in any event – you speak Farsi?? Or is English translation good enough? And what do you think Hezbollah wants? Go ask them directly. It is your right if you don’t like Jews – but to pretend there aren’t groups who want them all gone from the land is intellectually ridiculous.

    • Replies: @anon
  37. vox4non says:

    Didn’t it ever occur to Washington how shortsighted and self-defeating it would be to poke both Tehran and Beijing at the same time? It was ruminated many years ago by Samuel Huntington in his “Clash of Civilisations” that China and the Islamic powers would come together only because of a common interest. Thanks to the current administration, looks like that premise is coming true.

  38. @Zumbuddi

    People who spend the time and energy to make single word comments usually lack a substantive argument. I notice it a lot with people who hate Jews – Blacks – Chinese.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  39. @Talmud Scholar

    “Before you start a world war, you secure the oil fields(ask hitler). This is China preparing for a coming conflict with the United States.”

    America has its boot on Venezuela’s neck, Iran’s neck, Syria’s neck, Iraq’s neck, and would badly like to stop Russia from selling oil to Europe. The lesson is clear: America wants to control global oil distribution, as a tool of coercion.

    China is taking the only rational course of action to avoid American belligerence. As Sun Tsu said, flow like water around a hard obstacle.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  40. Zumbuddi says:
    @Showmethereal

    People who make arrogant pronouncements about how other people should organize their society usually have an overblown view of their place in the world.
    I notice such arrogance a lot among Jews.
    It’s generally an ugly & counterproductive trait.

  41. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    ….. is English translation good enough?

    No, it’s not. That’s the whole point, or are you too dense to get that? Why do you use that handle, then avoid seeking the real?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  42. @anon

    So just admit you are not serious. if you can’t speak Farsi and don’t trust an english translation then just go live in your bubble. better yet – go ask Hezbollah directly and then head to Tehran. you won’t because you aren’t serious. you only like your echo chamber… it allows you to keep your hate

  43. @Zumbuddi

    I’m not Jewish… But that is something biblical. Same with Islam – which is part of what the fight is about. I don’t know every religion – but I would think that almost all religions believe they are the world’s gift. I happen to believe the bible.

    • Replies: @KA
  44. @Beavertales

    How did you leave out Libya??? Ghaddafi was killed because he wanted a gold backed currency to trade oil and to be shared by all of Africa. That’s why Hillary Clinton and her team planned his demise. Of course that incensed both Russia and China. No doubt that’s why both came out firmly against interfering in Venezuela. If I was a gambler they gave Iran the nod to break the blockade and ship to Venezuela recently.

    • Replies: @KA
  45. KA says:
    @showmethereal

    Egypt didn’t attack Israel in 1947-1948, Egypt didn’t attack in 1956 or ,in 1967.

    Now ready history and read some more .

    Now do the diligent work of finding the sources . Don’t ask us to do for you .

    So wiping out doesn’t seem a bad slogan to rally crowds who would have toppled the Gov otherwise .

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  46. KA says:
    @showmethereal

    Yeah , then cane false prophet of democracy freedom and peace activist – Henry B Levy saying soothing words “ rebels will recognize and establish relation with Israel”

  47. KA says:

    Why was no outrage among activists Jews and the monopolized media against attacking Libya? They did argue and lead anti war demo against Vietnam. Well they also flooded the streets in support of Israel when the periodic attacks against Gaza started .

    Your voice should be held accountable when the only voice most pivotal ,most loud most audible and most printed and discussed is your voice .

  48. @KA

    what does Egypt have to do with Hezbollah and Iran today… And it is true Israel did attack Egypt first – that is not in dispute. But are you claiming there was no imminent attack from all the neighbors??? you must hang out with the Bogaboo crowd then…

    • Replies: @anon
  49. @Supply and Demand

    I think given how the US and Israel keep on antagonizing Iran, Iran will be forced to seek out allies — with China being surely a major candidate for consideration in the eyes of the Iranians.

    I frankly feel sorry for the people of Iran, looking at what they had to endure for so much of their history. At first they had a religion of their own: Zoroastrianism. Then the Muslims came and forcibly converted them to Islam. Then in the 20th Century they elected a government democratically, but the US came and blew it away. And now the US and Israel continue to make life difficult for Iran. Just what does Iran owe the children of Abraham — Jews, Christians, Muslims?

    A similar story can be found in China’s case. At least since the 10th Century AD, (premodern) China always left others alone. Yet the Jews and the Western powers came and screwed up China in the 19th Century. Again it was the children of Abraham (okay, minus the Muslims).

    When two or more people or groups of people share similar enemies, they may well put their differences behind and seriously team up. The only serious obstacle I see in this respect standing against a China-Iran team-up is the stupidity of the CCP, which has time and again done various sorts of stupid things which work against its own interest.

  50. @Zumbuddi

    Fully agree.

    There’s frankly something to be said about the three Abrahamic religions. ALL of them have large numbers of adherents that have the presumptuousness either to judge other people as inferior or tell them what they should believe. ALL three have a history soaked in blood.

    I sometimes wish the three religions never existed.

    • Replies: @Meena
  51. Aggression and expansion are never in the genes of the Chinese nation throughout its 5,000 years of history.

    It would be more correct to say that aggressive expansion had not been engaged in by (premodern) China since the 10th Century AD. Before then China did occupy Vietnam for a time. And Qinshihuang, first ruler of the Qin Dynasty, was a very aggressive expansionist.

  52. @The Alarmist

    You don’t need to watch any nature shows to know that what the ‘forefathers’ cited by Wang Yi had said was brainless rubbish. There had been tigers in China since ancient times. Wang Yi is stupid, and likewise with his ‘forefathers’ (unless he misquoted them). Enough said.

    Wang Yi’s intention of advocating harmony was of course commendable. But I’d far rather he said something more intelligent that would not make us Chinese such a laughing stock in front of the rest of the world.

    I actually love China’s traditional culture. But not when its adherents say things which are stupid or just plain wrong, such as “Aggression and expansion are never in the genes of the Chinese nation throughout its 5,000 years of history.”

  53. anon[355] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Rather your question should be what’s common between repeated Israeli attacks on Egypt in the past and the current repeated preemptive illegal attacks on Lebanon Hizbulalh and Syria .

    “No imminent threat” – -one day muslim countries from Indonesia to Gambia will use this argument against Israel. Its not a stretch to find threat from a skunk hiding in a bush that looks like an IDF soldier with an Israeli flag .

  54. Meena says:
    @SomeoneInAsia

    There are two reasons why Hinduism soaked itself with casteism . It is a religious concept covering for exploitation, it is permanent and immobile . It traps people in servitude . The legality of this system stems from the intramural religious doctrine of Hinduism. In Christianity ,people can revolt and has revolted against excesses and against oppressions without losing the faith, without fear of retribution by the God or without fearing ban from religious services .

    In Hinduism those fears has led to fatalism ,absence of rebellion and revolt against upper caste supremacy . Class war was prevented by imposing a peace of the moral and religious graveyards on millions.

    Buddhism tried but then it got lost in the wilderness resurrected by the militant Brahminsim.

    One of the reasons that Hindu progressives have to look outside for direction and confidence lies in this psychological barrier imposed by Hindu religion on its followers.

  55. It was a fatal mistake for Trump to abandon the JCPOA and incite the systematic antogonism towards Iran. Now, as a result of this Saudi/Zionist foreign policy agenda, China is the beneficiary. Tragically, Iranians are likely oblivious to the fact that they are being taken hook line and sinker by the global elitists that the U.S. government serves at the expense of America in its centuries long campaign of treason.

    Covid-19 has proven one thing beuond a shadow of a doubt, that the corruption is world wide and not limited to America, and this increasing corruption coupled with sudden global economic shock as a result of the oil market instability and high-rolling international bankers that are more irresponsible stewards than a crew of drunken sailors and world governments that are perfectly content to deceive their citizens, as well as starve them, in a heist for the profit of the drunken sailor looters.

    Iran could do all of these things itself quite easily, it is just that China will not trade with them unless the Iranian government capitulates to the demands of the Chinese government. Nobody has said it, but history has proven it. Nobody will say it in either the Chinese or Iranian government because it would be losing face both in their own countries, and in the world.

    Now, Austria of all countries intends to start taking over water management in Baktiari, and in another region also, which is just more syphoning off national assets to the global bankers, because Iran has been effectively, and superbly managing water for thousands of years with some of the most sophisticated water management policies that the world has ever known, and that was thousands of years ago and has continued to the present day.

    The Chinese are lying that they never wish to force their ways on other countries, and that they have never invaded or tried to expand for their entire history. It is as ficticious as the claim that America has never tried to expand for its entire history. It is a statement of brazen hubris and an absolute lie.

    The Chinese had slaves and slaves were past down from generation to generation, lasting for hundreds of years. Although China has been communist for thousands of years, there was never equality in China, with a history of an elite leisure class nobility that was above the law, living as overlords of peasant farmers, merchants, skilled tradesmen, fishers, and miners that all supported their elite leisure class nobility, and were literally tortured and beaten if they were non-compliant.

    That is the less than ideal history of China that they so wish to re-bury.

Current Commenter
says:

Leave a Reply - Comments on articles more than two weeks old will be judged much more strictly on quality and tone


 Remember My InformationWhy?
 Email Replies to my Comment
Submitted comments have been licensed to The Unz Review and may be republished elsewhere at the sole discretion of the latter
Subscribe to This Comment Thread via RSS Subscribe to All Pepe Escobar Comments via RSS
PastClassics
The sources of America’s immigration problems—and a possible solution
The “war hero” candidate buried information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.
The unspoken statistical reality of urban crime over the last quarter century.
Our Reigning Political Puppets, Dancing to Invisible Strings