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It would be counter-productive for BRICS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization members India and China to come to blows on account of some extremely remote – albeit strategically important – snowy mountain passes.

But when one looks at the 3,488-kilometer-long Line of Actual Control, which India defines as “unresolved,” that can never be totally ruled out.

As the Hindustan Times reported: “India has pushed in high altitude warfare troops with support elements to the eastern Ladakh theater to counter [the] Chinese People’s Liberation Army’s aggressive posture designed to browbeat the government to stop building border infrastructure in the Daulat Beg Oldie sector as it may threaten the Lhasa-Kashgar highway in Aksai Chin.”

The highway runs from Tibet to southwestern Xinjiang Province, where the Karakoram Highway – the northern part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor – goes from Kashgar to Islamabad. Thence a road heads through Balochistan to Pakistan’s strategic Gwadar port, as part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative.

“The specialized Indian troops are familiar with the Tibetan Autonomous Region of China and are tuned for operating at rarefied altitudes,” Hindustan Times reports. “The scale of PLA deployment – two brigades’ strength and more – indicates that the move has the sanction of Beijing and [is] not limited to local military commanders.”

The current flare-up started building in late April, and led to a series of scuffles in early May, described as “aggressive behavior on both sides,” complete with fistfights and stone throwing. The Indian version is that Chinese troops crossed the Line of Actual Control (LAC), with vehicles and equipment, to block road construction by India.

The key area is around a spectacular 135 kilometer-long, 5-7 kilometer-wide lake, Pangong Tso. It’s in Ladakh, which is a de facto extension of the Tibetan plateau. One third is held by India and two thirds by China.

Mountain folds around the lake are called “fingers.” The Indians say Chinese troops are close to Finger Two – and blocking their movements. India claims territorial rights up to Finger 8, but its de facto holding extends only to Finger 4.

New Delhi has been steadily expanding infrastructure development – and also troop deployments – in Ladakh for nearly a decade. Units now spend longer periods deployed along the LAC than the six months that used to be the standard rotation.

These are called loop battalions: They do a back and forth with the Siachen glacier – which was the theatre of a localized India-Pakistan mini-war in 1999 that I followed closely.

The Indians maintain there are no fewer than 23 “disputed and sensitive” areas along the LAC, with at least 300 “transgressions” by People’s Liberation Army troops every year.

Crossing the line

The Indians are now particularly focused on the situation in the Galwan valley in Ladakh, which they maintain was breached to a distance of 3 to 4 km by PLA troops now in the process of digging defenses.

Diplomatically, it’s all pretty hazy. The Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs accused Indian troops of “crossing the line” in both Ladakh and Sikkim, as well as “attempting to unilaterally change the status of border control.”

The Indian Foreign Ministry has preferred to maintain that “established mechanisms” should prevail in the end, justifying its relative silence with the explanation that quiet diplomacy between military commanders and officials must take precedence.

ORDER IT NOW

That’s in stark contrast with what Indian sources on the ground are stressing: face-off between troops in at least three points in Ladakh and Sikkim; too many Chinese troops at LAC areas patrolled by India; and blocking of Indian patrols in finger areas on the Pangong Tso.

Interestingly, Indian defense sources deny there’s a Chinese troop buildup across the middle sector of the LAC, in Uttarakhand; they see what would qualify as routine “local movements.”

India-China border issues are usually settled on the border in meetings between local commanders and officials. Photo: AFP / Indian Defense Ministry / HO
India-China border issues are usually settled on the border in meetings between local commanders and officials. Photo: AFP / Indian Defense Ministry / HO

It’s significant that a former Northern Army commander told The Hindu, “Normally stand-offs happen in a local area, but are resolved at the local level.” That pretty much sums up the whole state of affairs along the India-China border and also the India-Pakistan border.

Yet now, added the commander, there seems to be a “higher level in China” in terms of planning, so the skirmishes should be handled diplomatically. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is reviewing the current LAC situation.

Beijing has been mostly quiet about it. Yet the Global Times seems to be distilling the predominant Chinese narrative: India’s poor “are facing an increasingly severe threat of famine.

“Against such a backdrop, it is conceivable that hyping border tensions at this juncture will flare up nationalist sentiment and increase domestic hostility toward Chinese capital, putting unnecessary pressure on bilateral trade and dealing a further blow to the Indian economy already plagued by downturn woes.”

Global Times insists China “clearly has no intention of escalating the border disputes with India,” and prefers to stress the “overall improvement” of their “bilateral economic and trade ties.”

The usual divide-and-rule suspects, for their part, prefer to speculate on the possibility of an India-China LAC mini-war. That’s not likely to happen.

Indian National Security Advisor Ajit Doval and Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, billed as special representatives of India and China, met face to face for the last time in December 2019, discussing an “early settlement of the boundary question.” It looks like they will soon have to meet again.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:

    The Indians will lose.
    And lose badly.

    Just a word of warning.

  2. Anonymous[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Indians are generally anti-white, slippery types not unlike Jews. I don’t really care about this border dispute, but I’d side with China just because they’re the less overtly anti-white side.

    • Replies: @anonymous1963
  3. I’ve written some background on Sino-Indian relations in three comments in one of Karlin’s blog entries this month. My view is that boundary incidents are minor matters that Indians blow out of proportion due to psychological factors in their aspiration to become a leading global power and the memories of humiliation from the 1962 war. Delhi believes Beijing calculates India will also rise to become a leading global power and therefore must have plans to get in the way of India’s rise. Beijing doesn’t see India as becoming a global power and has not reinforced the boundary areas with troops, equipment, and aircraft in the massive way Delhi has and does not station many troops along the border.

    China should remember the time before Doklam (2017) there was a serious standoff with India in 1986-87. Indian military leaders really wanted to go to war to get revenge for the humiliation of defeat in 1962. Back then the economies of China and India were equal in size and so was the military balance. There could have been a war but the geopolitical climate was so unfavorable for India that Delhi restrained its military officers. Pakistan and China had entered into a pact to ensure a two front war. Soviet rapprochement with China had already begun and Moscow declared neutrality in the conflict. Even Bangladesh pitched in on China’s side and reassured it would not allow supplies to the front to cross its border.

    No matter how provocative and oblivious India decides to be, China should remember the key lesson from the 1986-87 standoff. The path to victory without a single shot being fired in the Western Pacific will be an Asian alliance system that is unfavorable to the American empire. Strong alliance with Russia, favorable tilt of South Korea and other Asian countries, and neutrality of India, Vietnam, and Australia. In face to face confrontation with India in the boundary area, there is no disadvantage for China in choosing to back down. However afterwards the boundary area should see a buildup with new units, a fighter squadron, etc. to snap Indians back to reality. Does India want to go down the military over development path of spending heavily on imported armaments and aircraft? India should be building railways, but limited infrastructure budgets are to be siphoned for strategic railway projects to sparsely populated Northeast borderlands. For every dollar China spends to square off at the border, India can match the spending but it will 10x more damage Indian development goals due to the wide gap with China that is still getting wider.

    Comments

    1. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-2019/#comment-3903959
    2. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-2019/#comment-3906816
    3. https://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-2019/#comment-3911350

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @d dan
  4. Svevlad says:

    Going to war over Aksai motherfucking Chin, a stretch of mountainous desert of no real use to anyone?

    Seems more like spite to me. Arunachal Pradesh is more valuable

  5. I don’t understand why the Indians and Chinese are getting into this fight in the first place. What’s the point here?

    • Replies: @Malla
  6. Malla says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/iq-2019/#comment-3903959

    Great Post except that I would correct something

    You wrote

    1. India had a tremendous head start on China because of political stability. India after independence did not self destruct like China did after the PRC was founded.

    I would say, India had a tremendous start over China nearly a century or more ago, because of colonialism. Thanks to the British Raj, India was in a far better position than China in say 1950.

    RAILWAYS BRITISH INDIA 1909

    VS

    CHINA DURING THE SAME PERIOD

    China too benefited a bit from colonialism especially the Japanese Empire development of heavy industries in Manchuria but obviously India was over all way ahead thanks to the British Raj. So already in say 1950, India had a MASSIVE head start over China.

    • Thanks: d dan
  7. d dan says:
    @china-russia-all-the-way

    “My view is that boundary incidents are minor matters that Indians blow out of proportion…”

    This is definitely a bad time for China to have a standoff or even war with India – given all the troubles it currently has with US. But do you think it is true that China intrudes into India’s Line of Control side to stop Indian road construction? This would be a reverse of 2017 Doklam incident. Please share what you think. Thanks.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  8. DB Cooper says:
    @d dan

    There is no agreed line of control. That is the crux of the problem.

  9. India is facing a backlash from the poor who have been suffering badly from the covid lockdown. As always, the political elite will divert this anger by a manufactured crisis.
    Sometimes I pray for a real world wide ‘holocaust’ that spares the animals and takes us all away.

    • Agree: Malla
  10. meena says:

    Thousands of litres of cow urine consumed in Gujarat daily
    Vallabh Kathiria, chairman of Rashtriya Kamdhenu Aayog, told ET that consumption of goumutra (cow urine) and goumutra ark, or condensed cow urine, in the state has risen significantly after the coronavirus outbreak to about 6,000 litres a day.
    GANDHINAGAR: Sale of cow urine has picked up in Gujarat as belief that it has immunity boosting property gains ground in the state amid the coronavirus outbreak.:
    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/thousands-of-litres-of-cow-urine-consumed-in-gujarat-daily/articleshow/74922747.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    Now the government is conducting a clinical trial to see the efficacy of the cow urine .
    https://ahmedabadmirror.indiatimes.com/ahmedabad/cover-story/gujarat-plans-to-give-world-a-wonder-drug-to-battle-corona/articleshow/76017951.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    Thats where India is poised to usher the American led world into . US and India deserve each other .

  11. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:

    Modi has been strangling the poor and middle class in India.
    Let China remove him and his policies.

  12. Malla says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    Undefined border. War in 1962 in which India invaded China and got soundly defeated by the PLA. Anger and bitterness among the arrogant Indian elites and the (Indian media brainwashed) population at large for that defeat. Anger and jealousy among most Indians for the rise of China, China with a larger population accelerated ahead, while India was left behind. A form of superiority complex feelings (India was the only civilization as others were all mleccha barbarians, everything came from ancient Hindu India) mixed with inferiority complex feelings is developing towards the Chinese, the same psychology Indians had towards the British/ White people in general.
    Also the Indian brahmanical elites merging their interests with the USA’s ZOG elites.

    • Thanks: Old and Grumpy
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  13. @Malla

    I hear what you’re saying Malla but you’re only looking at one attribute. If you happen to have a smattering of economics behind you, you’ll know that the British saddled India with economically inefficient state-owned monopolies – which they still haven’t reformed.

    Also, just look at the economic development arcs of each country since Indian independence (1948) and China (1949) – the latter has managed to lift ~800 million people out of poverty; India still has 50% of the population defecating in the streets!!!

    The other point I’d make is the Chinese have been exemplary in ensuring that at east 90% of the population of each province is of Han cultural heritage, India is essentially 26 ‘countries’ held together by string, i.e., a religion (although Modi is trying to change that).

    Its also useful to remember that the international joke about the two countries: ‘if you want someone to talk about it – get the Indians, if you want someone to do it – get the Chinese’ – so there’s also a psychological difference!

    India should be proud that an Asian country is succeeding in its economic development to balance the West – but instead they’re always genuflecting to their former imperial master, and act as ‘a spanner in the works’ for Eurasian economic development and further cooperative integration.

  14. @Patagonia Man

    That should read:

    The other point I’d make is the Chinese have been exemplary in ensuring that at *least 90% of the population …

  15. Malla says:
    @Patagonia Man

    you’ll know that the British saddled India with economically inefficient state-owned monopolies

    Only a few of those inefficient State owned monopolies are from the British era, most are from the time of Nehruvian socialism after 1947. The British Raj followed a Laissez-fair economic policy with some state monopolies as you say. Of course British India became very protective during the Great Depression to protect India and the entire Empire from the Wall Street crazies (which cause the Wall Street funding anti-colonial movements throughout the world) but in general the economic policy was free. The Industrial revolution started in British India not only before China but even before Japan!!! All the latest technology from the British Isles made its way to India with very little delay.
    British India had very low taxation and the revenues were falling short to run India and hence since 1880 the policy had been to turn India into an export driven economy. Iron and Steel production increased dramatically. Many of the companies were owned by Indian merchants with British management and Indian labour. Very soon British India was beating Manchester in its own game of cloth production. British India was competing with Japan in the Chinese garment market before 1945 which Britain had more or less given up on by then. Also many of the Jewish garment magnates (those Sassoons and Shusters ) who owned factories in both Britain and India preferred cheaper Indian labour to more expensive (but far more productive and capable) British labour.
    Both China and India followed similar economic policies after WW2 but while China went for all out Communism, India went for Socialism. India’s first PM Nehru is hated by most Indian youth for this economic policy which closed India from the global market and thus missing the roaring 50s and 60s of global economic growth. But me thinks some amount of Socialism did us very good.

    The PR China got a lot of help from the USSR in its early days and later got access to Western/Japanese technology and capital but so too India. Indeed India was more of a darling of the West and the Soviets. There was a time when China had very little access to Western and Japanese technology but India had access to them as well as Soviet technology. But even then India was left behind!!!
    Now whatever bad the Commies did, whatever crazy happened in Communist China, the CCP could push some policies far better than Socialist Democratic India on its population. Most importantly it was able to take education and healthcare to the vast majority of the population very fast. India did the same too but our performance on this count was much more like a laggard compared to China. And secondly the CCP modernized the Chinese population and removed backwardness of traditional China but unfortunately in the process there was some cultural destruction too. Most of rural India (and a large chunk of urban India) remains backward and primitive in mindset even today. And now under Hindu fundamentalism we may regress further.
    The British in India had a policy of not interfering into religious matters after the 1857 mutiny unless it was something extreme like temple prostitution, devotees jumping under the wheels of the chariot of some deity (like Lord Jagannath of Puri) to achieve spiritual liberation, extreme ill treatment of Indian lower castes etc… The British stamped such disgusting practices out but in general refrained from pushing modernization into the population too much too fast, as much as was needed. Maybe being foreigners it was much hard for them to do so, something local Communist could do with more credibility. Post 1947 India could do this modernization a little better as now it were fellow Indian elites pushing it, not foreigners, but eventually the backward Indian feudal forces itself high jacked the democratic process.
    So China by the time of Deng’s reform had far better human capital ready to take off under Capitalism.

    but instead they’re always genuflecting to their former imperial master, and act as ‘a spanner in the works’ for Eurasian economic development and further cooperative integration.

    You misunderstand, this is a result of seeing everything from a post colonial point of view which is not nuanced enough. See the Indian elites still use the British as boogeymen “who looted our country and exploited us”. Out textbooks and movies teach us to hate the British with a vengeance and most Indians traditionally hated the West. The West is seen as fake and culturally degenerate. But now the same elites who trained us to hate the British also want us to hate the Chinese who are shown as the new colonials. Strange huh!! The Communist Chinese too trained its people to see itself as the power rising up to the West/ Japan and colonials but now the they are the new colonialists!!! All this is B.S and childish propaganda. Anyways the same elites who have trained us to hate the British and the West in general (& Pakistan) is now adding a new villain to this list with the British, the Chinese. When Chinese companies invested in India, Indians screamed that this is the new East India Company coming to loot us and enslave us.
    But why are Indians becoming so pro West? India was traditionally pro-Soviet/pro-Russia so why this jump? This was a long term policy of the Western Zio elites to allow Indian educated elites into the West to destroy the White Middle Class in the long term in return for Western access to the Indian market. And slowly the Westerners weaned India to itself. Secondly Indians realized that the West is run by Jews. Indians admire Jews because Jews are similar to us and so successful, We do not have to become an English gentleman to succeed in the the World!! We can behave like cheap thuggards and become successful, we can be ourselves, our Jewish like self. The Englishman wanted us to become gentlemen, we did not want to. Now we realize that the cunning slimey Jew runs the West including rules the hated Englishman, the Indian heart is filled with joy on this realization. The Indian tilt to the West is upper caste Indian elites coming into an unholy alliance with the Jewish elites of the West to screw White people, lower caste Hindu Indians and Muslims.

  16. Thanks to everyone here for explaining something that made on sense to me last night. One thing I am not getting is the strategic importance of this region. Is it simply about controlling the high ground?

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  17. @Malla

    It’s in Ladakh, which is a de facto extension of the Tibetan plateau. One third is held by India and two thirds by China.Right you are Pepe, so lets give them freedom. A free Tibet, with both China and India withdraw.
    Mr. Malla, Indians are like the Jews but they are not as successful. Indians don’t hate the whites but want to be white.

    • Replies: @d dan
    , @Malla
  18. d dan says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    “It’s in Ladakh, which is a de facto extension of the Tibetan plateau. One third is held by India and two thirds by China. Right you are Pepe, so lets give them freedom. A free Tibet, with both China and India withdraw.”

    Would you also support whites people withdrawing from America to give the Native Americans freedom? From Canada? From Australia, New Zealand… ?

  19. Erebus says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Its also useful to remember that the international joke about the two countries: ‘if you want someone to talk about it – get the Indians, if you want someone to do it – get the Chinese’ –

    I’ve heard a rather more elaborate version along the same lines…

    Two young men meet at a conference in the ’80s at the start of their govt careers. 10 yrs later the Indian visits China and is invited to dinner at his counterpart’s big new home. “Wow, you’ve done well. How did you do it?” The Chinese takes him to a balcony showing him a 6 lane highway and bridges in the distance.
    “See that highway and those bridges?”
    “Impressive.”
    “10% commission.”
    “Ah, I understand”

    10 yrs later, the Chinaman visits his Indian friend’s palatial home. “Wow, you’ve done unbelievably well. How did you do it?” The Indian takes him to a balcony overlooking gardens with statues, tennis courts, fountains and endless squalor just beyond the garden walls.
    “See that highway and those bridges?”
    “Where? There’s nothing but ghetto.”
    “That’s 100% commission.”

    After many expensive attempts to do business in India, I came to the same conclusion. Endless talk, endless dinners and bottles of JW Blue Label, endless repetitions of “We have to catch up to China”, inevitably followed by everyone waiting for you to tell them the size of the bribe you’ll pay them to let it happen.

    I concluded that India needs its own Cultural Revolution. In the absence of a Mao, India wouldn’t catch up in 100 years even if China stopped all development today and waited for them.

    Haven’t been back since, and other than to see Kashmir again have no desire to.

  20. @Malla

    Namaste Malla,

    Thankyou for your very well informed response. I have many Indian friends and fear that under Modi’s BJP & Hindutva, rather than India throwing its lot in with continued Asian economic development and integration, that it will be dragged into a Third War on the side of the Z-O-G’s of France, UK & US (F-UK-US) and their client states and millions of Indian people will be killed totally unnecessarily. I had actually warned my Indian friends of this tragedy unfolding ten years ago – and am now hoping against hope, that I’m wrong – but with Modi’s meeting with 4 known war criminals: zionist Henry Kissinger, Condoleeza Rice, fmr UK PM Blair & fmr Australian PM Howard, along with fmr US Defense Sec. Robert Gates, at the zionist JP Morgan Chase International Council*, OCT 2019, all my worst fears are being realized.

    *The council is convened annually in a leading world city to gain perspectives on economic, political and social trends in key regions and countries so as to provide advice to the senior management of JP Morgan Chase – a US multinational investment bank & financial services company – on issues affecting its clients and business (sic). [emphasis mine]

    • Replies: @Malla
  21. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    “And secondly the CCP modernized the Chinese population and removed backwardness of traditional China but unfortunately in the process there was some cultural destruction too. ”

    This is what the CCP would like people to believe these days, and I have heard it before. If you are referring to the cultural revolution it has nothing to do with removing backwardness of traditional China. In fact the target of cultural revolution is China’s high culture, which at that time was propagadized to be backward. Confucius temples, Buddhist temples and other ancient cultural sites were desecrated and vandalized. Confucius himself was denounced. Red guards ransacked people’s home to trot out old books and paintings that have survived hundreds of years and burned and antiques were smashed. Mao who have never attend college has a special hatred for the literati. Scholars of Chinese classics were especially singled out. In fact Mao has a slur word for them, calling them 臭老九, which is a derogatory term. Many died an unnatural death, either got beat up by the Red Guards and killed or commited sucide.

    The ramification of the cultural revolution extends beyond its destruction. It creates a new narrative that persist and haunt China to this very day. When the mayhem and lawlessness of the cutural revolution eventually spilled to the Tibetan region and young Tibetans were radicalized these ethnic Tibetan red guards did the same things their Han counterpart did to themselves. And that is the destruction of the Tibetan monasteries. When stories of the destruction and photos of the vandalized monasteries were eventually leaked to the West it was repackaged (probably out of genieune belief in most cases) that the Han people are oppressing the Tibetans. As far as I can tell before the cultural revolution there is no such narrative of ethnic/religious oppression of the Tibetans. After the cultural revolution there is.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  22. Malla says:
    @Rev. Spooner

    It’s in Ladakh, which is a de facto extension of the Tibetan plateau. One third is held by India and two thirds by China.Right you are Pepe, so lets give them freedom. A free Tibet, with both China and India withdraw.

    I agree, both India and China should withdraw to give them independence.

    Indians don’t hate the whites but want to be white.

    It is a bit of both. So it is for many darkies and maybe Jews themselves.

    • Troll: d dan
  23. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    In fact the target of cultural revolution is China’s high culture, which at that time was propagadized to be backward. Confucius temples, Buddhist temples and other ancient cultural sites were desecrated and vandalized. Confucius himself was denounced. Red guards ransacked people’s home to trot out old books and paintings that have survived hundreds of years and burned and antiques were smashed. Mao who have never attend college has a special hatred for the literati. Scholars of Chinese classics were especially singled out. In fact Mao has a slur word for them, calling them 臭老九, which is a derogatory term. Many died an unnatural death, either got beat up by the Red Guards and killed or commited sucide.

    I am aware of the cultural destruction, the destruction of high Chinese culture which is a tragedy for the world. That is what Communists generally do in the early stages of their rule. Communist revolutions are driven by jealousy or by cunning “revolutionaries” using the emotion of jealousy of the masses against high culture both native as well as foreign. Also there was a Jewish element in the CCP though much much minor element compared to the early Russian Communist party. And many of them are driven by a hatred for high culture especially of Europe, West in general and North East Asia, East Asian as a whole in general. Hence the destruction of Russian churches after the Russian revolution. Hence the bombimg holocaust of Dresden as well as the plan to bomb Kyoto which was called off at the last moment. Hence the destruction/ looting of Chinese cultural artifacts by the invading Eight-Nation Alliance forces (driven by Rothschilds and Sassoons) during the Boxer Revolution. Hence Cultural Marxism and the Frankfurt School, all full of Jewish intellectuals destroying traditional Western culture. Hence the National Socialists in Germany with their struggle against degenerate art.
    Communism with all its benefits does leave scars in a nation. Fortunately some of that high Chinese culture survives in Taiwan, I think.

    When the mayhem and lawlessness of the cutural revolution eventually spilled to the Tibetan region and young Tibetans were radicalized these ethnic Tibetan red guards did the same things their Han counterpart did to themselves.

    I am aware of that.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  24. Malla says:
    @DB Cooper

    BTW what do you think about the theory that the Americans back-stabbed Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek and helped Chairman Mao Zedong behind the scenes?
    Check out
    https://www.unz.com/ejones/the-coronavirus-and-the-culture-war/#comment-3805967

    The US State Dept also clandestinely supported Fidel Castro behind the scenes
    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/end-of-the-world-vs-center-of-the-universe/#comment-3347512

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  25. Malla says:
    @Patagonia Man

    Namaste Shri Patagonia Man,
    Thank you for all this information.

    India throwing its lot in with continued Asian economic development and integration, that it will be dragged into a Third War on the side of the Z-O-G’s of France, UK & US (F-UK-US) and their client states and millions of Indian people will be killed totally unnecessarily.

    This is what I suspect too. It seems we are being pumped up for a war with China and Pakistan.

    but with Modi’s meeting with 4 known war criminals: zionist Henry Kissinger, Condoleeza Rice, fmr UK PM Blair & fmr Australian PM Howard, along with fmr US Defense Sec. Robert Gates, at the zionist JP Morgan Chase International Council

    Thanks, Modi is definitely close to the Globalist elites, indeed the Globalist elites brought him to power.

    After all a Jewish American PR firm with close links to Israel played a huge part in Modi’s popularity & victory and also marketed ‘Shining Gujrat’ BS. Gujrat is a state in Western India where Modi was the chief minister before he became Prime Minister of the whole nation. There was this huge ‘Shining Gujrat’ brouhaha going all around the country spreading from slum to slum, office to office, road side shop to road side shop before he won the elections.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/company/corporate-trends/how-an-american-lobbying-company-apco-worldwide-markets-narendra-modi-to-the-world/articleshow/17537402.cms

    How an American lobbying company Apco Worldwide markets Narendra Modi to the world

    https://aamjanata.com/politics/the-brainwash-chronicles-sponsored-by-gujarat-government/
    “Enter APCO – in 2006 – supposedly to promote a vibrant Gujarat (remember India shining in 2004?) but very conveniently in time for the 2007 elections.”

    https://everything-pr.com/jewish-pr-firms/
    APCO isa Jewish PR firm.

    Here is our Modi with another War Criminal.

    Love iz in da air. Modi and Satanyahoo are in luv. LOL.

    • Replies: @Patagonia Man
  26. @Malla

    Namaste Malla,

    Dhanyavaad, I’d been looking for that link about the zionist PR firm promoting Modi. I wonder how many Indian people know about that.

    Agree, with all that you say.

    There’s a saying about the evil that men commit:

    “The evil that men do lives after them …” – William Shakespeare

    Shaanti.

    • Replies: @Malla
  27. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    Its not so much of back stabbed by the Americans than in the early days the CCP (Zhou Enlai) deftly played the Americans by presently themselved as some kind of idealistic egalitarian movement while the Nationalist government was corrupt and incorrigible. I forgot who was the American who interacted with Zhou Enlai but it certainly make an impression on him and make him sympathetic to the CCP cause. This was a time when the Nationalist government was still running the show in mainland.

  28. DB Cooper says:
    @Malla

    I personally think that the reason the cultural revolution happened is because Mao used it as a pretext to manipulate himself back to power more than ideological reason. Mao was actually out of power for a decade after the disastrous Great Leap Forward. Old timer would fondly remember those time when Mao was out of power a time of tranquillity and social order. Then all hell break loose in 1967.

    I remember I read that at the time Harvard Sinologist John King Fairbank one day walked into the classroom and told his students that ‘something happened in China and I don’t understand it.’ That something he was referring to was the cultural revolution.

  29. Malla says:
    @Patagonia Man

    I wonder how many Indian people know about that.

    Unfortunately not many. The Indian media is mum on this fact. It seems the media in democracies are all partially controlled.

    “The evil that men do lives after them …” – William Shakespeare

    Unfortunately true. Unfortunately psychopaths tend to come to power more often than good men. That is the tragedy of humanity and life in general.

    Shanti to you too.

  30. Escher says:
    @Patagonia Man

    The state run companies were created by the Indian government for the most part.
    In some cases they nationalized private companies.
    India has only itself to blame for having fallen this far behind China.

  31. @Anonymous

    Maybe they are just better at hiding their anti-white feelings.

  32. @Malla

    Very interesting. But China had one huge advantage. A much more homogeneous population. British India was divided by Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. It is also a very diverse region ethnically and linguistically too. China had a vastly smaller Muslim minority and a more common language.

    • Agree: Malla
  33. China should stop its endless colonialistic landgrabs and leave Tibet and Xinjiang.

    • Replies: @d dan
  34. d dan says:
    @Monte Casino

    “China should stop its endless colonialistic landgrabs and leave Tibet and Xinjiang.”

    Tibet and Xinjiang have been part of China longer than there was a country calls US, Canada, Mexico, Australia, New Zealand, etc. Do you want white people to leave those places too?

    • Agree: showmethereal
  35. @Malla

    Damn, I am surprised by the bluntness of your comment.

  36. @Malla

    Everything in Manchuria was taken by soviets. So, India had an even bigger start.

    Why can’t India have real reforms like the Chinese? China really only took off starting the 80s.

    Automation is right around the corner, a huge population will no longer be a boon but a burden soon.

    • Replies: @Malla
  37. Malla says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Damn, I am surprised by the bluntness of your comment.

    Thanks.

    Why can’t India have real reforms like the Chinese?

    Very complicated question. Many factors at work. Many backward people, feudal forces taking over the system, snob elites, low trust society and hence tragedy of the commons etc.. Too many to discuss here. However India has had better reforms than many other countries such as Pakistan.

    Automation is right around the corner, a huge population will no longer be a boon but a burden soon.

    Very true. We are looking at a demographic disaster in places like India and Africa.

  38. @anonymous1963

    Even among Han people – Mandarin was not standard. The Republic of China under the KMT was the first to begin implementing Mandarin. Han Chinese have many dialects still even. But yes Mandarin is more standard now. But it wasn’t natural. The government forced it. Same in Singapore. The Chinese in Singapore spoke mostly Hokkien – Teochew – Hakka – Cantonese. Singapore made Mandarin – along with English – the standard.

  39. @Old and Grumpy

    Yes pretty much the high ground… And pride in India because they lost so badly to China in 1962.

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