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A Beijing-Brussels-Berlin special: that was quite the video-summit.

From Beijing, we had President Xi Jinping. From Berlin, Chancellor Angela Merkel. And from Brussels, President of the European Council Charles Michel and President of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen. The Chinese billed it as the first summit “of its kind in history”.

It was actually the second high-level meeting of the Chinese and European leadership in two months. And it took place only a few days after a high-level tour by Foreign Minister Wang Yi encompassing France, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Norway, and the visit by the powerful “Yoda” of the State Council, Yang Jiechi, to Spain and Greece.

The Holy Grail at the end of all these meetings – face-to-face and virtual – is the China-EU investment treaty. Germany currently heads the EU presidency for six months. Berlin wanted the treaty to be signed at a summit in Leipzig this month uniting the EU-27 and Beijing. But Covid-19 had other plans.

So the summit was metastasized into this mini videoconference. The treaty is still supposed to be signed before the end of 2020.

Adding an intriguing note, the mini-summit also happened one day before Premier Li Keqiang attended a Special Virtual Dialogue with Business Leaders, promoted by the World Economic Forum (WEF). It’s unclear whether Li will discuss the intricacies of the Great Reset with Klaus Schwab – not to mention whether China subscribes to it.

We are “still committed”

The mini EU-China video summit was quite remarkable for its very discreet spin. The UE, officially, now considers China as both an essential partner and a “strategic rival”. Brussels is adamant on its will to “cooperate” while defending is notorious human rights “values”.

As for the investment treaty, the business Holy Grail which has been under negotiation for seven years now, Ursula von der Leyen said “there’s still much to be done”.

What the EU essentially wants is equal treatment for their companies in China, similar to how Chinese companies are treated inside the EU. Diplomats confirmed the key areas are telecoms, the automobile market – which should be totally open – and the end of unfair competition by Chinese steel.

Last week, the head of Siemens, Joe Kaeser, threw an extra spanner in the works, telling Die Zeit that “we categorically condemn every form of oppression, forced labor and threat to human rights”, referring to Hong Kong and Xinjiang.

That caused quite a stir. At least 10% of Siemens business is generated in China, where the company is present since 1872 and employs over 35,000 people. Siemens was forced to publicly state that it is “still committed” to China.

China has been Germany’s top trade partner since 2017 – ahead of France and the US. So it’s no wonder alarm bells started to ring, on and off. It was in January last year that the BDI – the Federation of German Industries – first defined China as a “systemic competitor”, and not only as a “partner”. The concern was centered on market “distortions” and the barriers against German competition inside China.

The mini video-summit took place as the trade war unleashed by Washington against Beijing has reached Cold War 2.0 proportions. EU diplomats, uncomfortably, and off the record, admit that the Europeans are caught in the middle and the only possible strategy is to try to advance their economic interests while insisting on the same panacea of human rights.

Thus the official EU demand this Monday – unreported in Chinese media: allow us to send “independent observers” to Xinjiang.

Those Uighur jihadis

So we’re back, inevitably, to the hyper-incandescent issue of Xinjiang “concentration camps”.

The Atlanticist establishment has unleashed a ferocious, no holds barred campaign to shape the narrative that Beijing is conducting no less than cultural genocide in Xinjiang.

Apart from United States government rhetoric, the campaign is mostly conducted by “influencer” US thinks tanks such as this one, which issue reports that turn viral on Western corporate media.

One of these reports quotes “numerous firsthand accounts from Uighurs” who are defined as “employed” to perform forced labor. As a result, the global supply chain, according to the report, is “likely tainted with forced labor”.

The operative word is “likely”. As in Russia is “likely” interfering in US elections and “likely” poisoning opponents of the Kremlin. There’s no way to verify the accuracy of the sources quoted in these reports – which happen to be conveniently financed by “multiple donors interested in commerce in Asia.” Who are these donors? What is their agenda? Who will profit from the kind of “commerce in Asia” they are pushing?

On a personal level, Xinjiang was at the top of my travel priorities this year – then laid to rest by Covid-19 – because I want to check by myself all aspects of what’s really goin’ on in China’s Far West.

As it stands, US copycat “influencers” in the EU are having free reign to impose the narrative about Uighur forced labor, stressing that the clothes Europeans are wearing “could” – and the operative word is “could” – be made by forced laborers.

Don’t expect the Atlanticist network to even bother to offer context in terms of China fighting terrorism in Xinjiang.

In the old al-Qaeda days, I visited and interviewed Uighur jihadis locked up in a sprawling prison set up by the mujahideen under commander Masoud in the Panjshir valley. They had all been indoctrinated by imams preaching in Saudi-financed madrassas across Xinjiang.

More recently, Uighur Salafi-jihadis have been very active in Syria: at least 5,000, according to the Syrian embassy in Beijing.

Beijing knows exactly what would happen if they return to Xinjiang, as much as Moscow knows what would happen if Chechen jihadis return to the Caucasus.

So it’s no wonder that China has to act. That includes closing madrassas, detaining imams and arresting – and “re-“educating” – possible jihadis and their families.

ORDER IT NOW

Forget about the West offering context about the Turkistan Islamic Party (TIP), which declared an Islamic Emirate, ISIS/Daesh-style, in November 2019 in Idlib, northwest Syria. TIP was founded in Xinjiang 12 years ago and has been very active in Syria since 2011 – exactly the same year when they claimed to be responsible for a terror operation in Kashgar which killed 23 people.

It’s beyond pathetic that the West killed and displaced Muslim multitudes – directly and indirectly – with the “war on terror” just to become oh so worried with the plight of the Uighurs.

It’s more enlightening to remember history. As in the autumn of 821, when princess Taihe, sister of a Tang dynasty emperor, rode in a Bactrian camel, her female attendants following her in treasured Ferghana horses, all the way from the imperial palace in Chang’an to the land of the Uighurs.

Princess Taihe had been chosen as a living tribute – and was on her way to wed the Uighur kaghan to cement their peoples’ friendship. She came from the east, but her dress and ornaments were from the west, from the Central Asian steppes and deserts where she would live her new life.

And by the way, the Uighurs and the Tang dynasty were allies.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. mijj says:

    i sincerely hope the Chinese laugh long and hard in the face of any european who pompously lectures on the subject of human rights. The world is littered with destruction, death and ruined lives thanks to western “humanitarian” concern (not to mention economic looting, political subversion and sponsored terrorism).

  2. @mijj

    thank you, pepe, for publishing this on unz…much appreciated. i look forward to your view point always.

  3. A123 says:

    The title of the piece should read:

    How EU Citizens “Resist” the Elite Globalist Merkel-Xi Deal

    A few German aligned SJW Elite leaders think they are totally dominant over everyone else.

    The Holy Grail at the end of all these meetings – face-to-face and virtual – is the China-EU investment treaty. Germany currently heads the EU presidency for six months. Berlin wanted the treaty to be signed

    Siemens business is generated in China, where the company is present since 1872 and employs over 35,000 people [in China]. Siemens was forced to publicly state that it is “still committed” to China.

    China has been Germany’s top trade…

    The author tried to use the term “trade partner”, but “trade victim” better defines the true nature of the relationship.

    The Elite German establishment and multinationals love the idea of “free trade”. They tried the same playbook that their counterparts used to sell NAFTA in the U.S. However, they miscalculated.

    Trump has globally visible successes pushing back China in both the USMCA agreement and the Phase 1 bilateral negotiations. Even German workers see those high profile wins and demand comparable gains versus Chinese exploitation. ~8MM workers under the BDI umbrella caused the association to move publicly.

    in January last year that the BDI – the Federation of German Industries – first defined China as a “systemic competitor”

    Merkel failed. There is no way she can gain approval for the Elite’s desired EU submission to China while Trump and U.S. workers are visibly winning versus China. And, anything resembling a fair deal would be intolerable to Globalist Merkel.
    ____

    The Xinjiang Issue is merely a cover story. It should be ignored as irrelevant. The SJW Globalists are attempting to deflect from their attempt to sell out European workers. It just kicks the SJW Globalist can down the road.

    The EU is fundamentally broken. It cannot even make progress on time critical BREXIT negotiations due to unrealistic, intransigent SJW Globalist Elites. The EU must either reform into a Populist alliance, or collapse due to rapidly growing internal divisions. The latter is much more likely.

    PEACE 😇

    • Disagree: Badger Down
  4. Avianthro says:

    China chooses re-education.

    The US chooses drones.

    Generally speaking, on the gross average:

    China is a collectivist oriented culture due to its economy’s millennia-long basis in irrigated rice culture.

    The US is an individualist culture that grew from the pioneer frontier days and on non-irrigated corn, wheat, and cotton farming.

    The two cultures naturally have different approaches and some our-way-is-the-right-way Us-vs-them interactions.

    Does the investor class want them to lose their differences and merge into a common culture? They are not in consensus on this question…some perhaps wanting to maintain distinctness for the sake of competition-induced higher economic power, i.e. GDP as well as to maintain their own current power positions, while some are wanting to achieve a lower-stress, easier-to-manage merging-hybridization of the two. It is a Taoist dichotomy of the male and the female spirit. If Lao Tze is right, then the female spirit will ultimately overcome:

    [MORE]

    Carrying body and soul and embracing the one,
    Can you avoid separation?
    Attending fully and becoming supple,
    Can you be as a newborn babe?
    Washing and cleansing the primal vision,
    Can you be without stain?
    Loving all men and ruling the country,
    Can you be without cleverness?
    Opening and closing the gates of heaven,
    Can you play the role of woman?
    Understanding and being open to all things,
    Are you able to do nothing?
    Giving birth and nourishing,
    Bearing yet not possessing,
    Working yet not taking credit,
    Leading yet not dominating,
    This is the Primal Virtue.

  5. anon[544] • Disclaimer says:

    Thus the official EU demand this Monday – unreported in Chinese media: allow us to send “independent observers” to Xinjiang.

    China first invited EU observers to go to Xinjiang in March, 2019. So this is nothing new. From I know, China is sending the invitation again.

  6. Thank you, Señor Escobar, for helping me to clear up misconceptions which the mass media of mesmerization and mind-control managed to plant in my consciousness regarding the situation in Sinkiang.

    The Unz Review has become a blessed resource where ideas are shared that generally cannot be shared by other means. So far as information goes in the Western world and particularly within the ruptured republic which has the gall to still call itself America; we are trapped within a matrix of mind-control which constitutes a virtual brick wall of message control.

    Americans are essentially babes in the woods compared with the Russian people who long lived under the Khazarian Bolshevik horror and later under the paranoid Stalin and thenceforth under privileged apparatchiks and booze-addled Yeltsin up to the time when nationalist Putin became the “good Tsar”. Russians know when bureaucrats and media commentators are lying. If their comments are televised it becomes obvious when they open their mouths..a dead giveaway among those types.

  7. Chinaman says:

    Genocide? You mean the type that Andrew Jackson did on Native Indians or Hitler on Jews ? Or more recently, the 1 million odd the Americans crusaders have killed in Iraq?

    Where does these German Nazis find the audacity to chastise China for concentration camps and genocide? Do these people have no shame ?

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Badger Down
  8. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:

    China shouldn’t try to fight everyone at the same time. Let the EU in in Xinjiang but make sure half of the delegation is Greek, the Europeans who have seen the most tangible benefit from Belt and Road.

  9. Patta says:

    Please go to Xinjiang asap and report back!

  10. @A123

    The SJW elite are banging the war drums against the Chinese while globalist Trump hands the keys to the White House to Israel. There is no more hostile threat to Western globalists than China, because Belt Road creates a massive transit network the Khazarian Bankers cannot control.

    I understand that you are part of Trump’s prole hasbara unit, but you’re wasting your time by trying to frame China as globalist and not nationalist. Russia and China are the last of the major powers not to be functionally annexed by Jews.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @A123
  11. A123 says:
    @Supply and Demand

    CCP Supply,

    Nice to know that you are a stalwart remember of the Chinese Communist Party. You can keep quoting from your Little Red book, but no one will believe what you say.
    ___

    Elite Globalists in China under Xi are inextricably & obviously linked to Elite Globalists in Germany under Merkel. Everyone understands that China is core leader in the Globalist ideology.

    Anti-Globalist Trump, leader of the Populist movement, has sounded the Clarion Call of Freedom & Fairness to alert the world about abuses by Globalist China and Globalist German Elites. As the TRUTH is a threat to Xi’s personal power, his CCP cadre is now out ineffectively trying to deflect attention from the fact that Chinese Globalist business practices are successfully being pushed back.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Erebus
    , @Derer
  12. Erebus says:
    @A123

    Everyone understands that China is core leader in the Globalist ideology.

    “Everybody” = You + your Cat.

    What rubbish. China (and Russia) are indeed “Globalists” in that they demand that everyone play by the same rules, and that global trade will enhance the living standards of everyone. They reject Globalization in any sense of one set of elites telling all other elites how to run their countries, much less forcing them by means of sanctions and/or threat of war.

    I disagree with those who label you as “Hasbara”. I think you (and your cat) are just Noise.

    • LOL: A123
  13. @Chinaman

    You mean the type that Andrew Jackson did on Native Indians or Hitler on Jews ?

    Which in reality, would be none.
    Stop watching (((Hollywood))) movies and reading the (((official))) narratives. A more accurate comparison for China would be like the Mongol invasions.

    • Replies: @Jesus Mao
    , @showmethereal
  14. Anon[260] • Disclaimer says:

    If China really has nothing to hide with respect to Xinjiang, why not simply let the EU officials visit? While they’re at it, also let them visit the Wuhan Lab and conduct independent inquiry on the origin of coronavirus.

    If they have nothing to hide, they have nothing to fear. Let the truth come out.

    • Troll: d dan, Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @GomezAdddams
  15. Erebus says:

    If China really has nothing to hide with respect to Xinjiang, why not simply let the EU officials visit?

    Given how EU’s “officials” lied about the results of the MH17 crash investigation, the Skripal poisoning, and are now lying about Navalny’s, what possible finding would prevent them from lying about what they found in Xinjiang?

    They’ll come, they’ll look, and then they’ll lie. You can bet your last shekel on it.

    OTOH, a group of officials from several Muslim countries visited Xinjiang and came away speaking in laudatory terms of China’s Uighur programs. Of course, they didn’t come there looking through the prism of “European Values” and carrying bagfuls of ideological rubbish, so likely saw something that looked quite different to what the Europeans will “see”.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
    • Thanks: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Busting Erebus
  16. @Erebus

    China doesn’t answer to you or the EU. So fuck off.

  17. sarz says:

    It’s beyond pathetic that the West killed and displaced Muslim multitudes – directly and indirectly – with the “war on terror” just to become oh so worried with the plight of the Uighurs.

    Escobar, this simply will not do.

    Forget that Europe and the West exist. Does China have the right to eliminate Uighur, Tibetan and Mongol cultures? Spell it out.

    China’s leaders over the last two hundred years have not been dopes. They learned Mahan and Mackinder the hard way. So they’ve obviously been planning land routes to world markets for a while. The takeover of Eastern Turkestan and Tibet were well laid plans. Grabbing Tibetan and Uighur (and now Indian) land routes is a step to Han welfare and even glory.

    Suppose there are no torture centres and the Han are willing to set up good schools and hospitals in every village. All they ask is that the natives try to become Mandarin speakers, compete freely with Han in Mandarin exams, and give up their religion and culture. Is that okay by you?

    Could Han China have served its purposes with less selfishness and arrogance?

    Asking for a friend—a Muslim Tibetan woman from a good family in Tibet who crossed over to Kashmir when the Chinese took over and spent the remainder of her life as a maid in a family I know well. In that very house she looked after the displaced governor of East Turkestan. Small world. All Tibetans, she said, whether Buddhist or Muslim, think of the Dalai Lama as their leader.

    If you had been around, Escobar, would you have put her right with a word or two about the presumptuousness and cruelty of the West?

    • LOL: Erebus
  18. Malla says:

    What is funny is that Sultan of the new Ottoman Empire Erdofag has bent down for Celestial Emperor Xi of the new Middle Kingdom for a few shekels and decided to kick back all his fellow Muslim Turkic Uyghur brothers and sisters back to the Middle Kingdom, back to the concentra…er sorry…re-educati….er sorry, back to daycare centers, living in harmony with Chi, being taught Calligraphy and Tai Chi with beautiful Erhu music being played in the background. In return the Ottofags get some goodies in the Silk BRI road. Yeah so much for the much touted solidarity of the Ummah. This while the desert camel kissing sheikhs of Arabia getting closer and makin love to Zion and Satanyahu, who has categorically maintained that the Palestinian natives are gonna be mass screwed further in the name of Satanic Zion. So the Sheikhs of the desert are bending over for da Satanyahoo, Satanyahoo has his brand new harem of bearded greedy Sheikh bitches in his backyard. Oy Vey.
    So Sultan Erdofag has rightfully kowtowed to the Celestial Emperor (in which direction facing Emperor Xi or facing opposite to Emperor Xi exposing his rear? I am not interested in the details. yuck)

    https://english.alarabiya.net/en/features/2020/07/29/Former-Turkish-PM-acknowledges-Turkey-policy-of-returning-Uighur-Muslims-to-China
    Former Turkish PM acknowledges Turkey policy of returning Uighur Muslims to China

    https://www.wionews.com/world/why-erdogan-has-decided-to-extradite-uighurs-to-china-316326
    Why Erdogan has decided to extradite Uighurs to China

    https://atalayar.com/en/content/turkey-sends-uighur-refugees-china
    Turkey sends Uighur refugees to China

    BTW must warn you that the second link is from the international media arm WION of the Hindu Rastra Indian deep State. WION, a pathetic and sad attempt to get an Indian version of a NHK world, RT or CGTN up and running. That is why I included the first link from the Ummah.

    Hey, the Siamese Kingdom have been kowtowing to the Celestial Middle Kingdom for some time now.
    https://in.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-uighurs-turkey/thai-pm-defends-decision-to-send-uighurs-back-to-china-idUSKCN0PJ18620150709

    As far as Whitey, I think good ol Whiteys must control their White man’s burden tendencies, their itch to “raise our voices when we see injustice anywhere in the world” and take a chill pill. It is all in between non Whites. None of your business. Does China really run concentration camps in Xinjiang? Or is it all Globalist propaganda to make China look like the new “Nazi Germany”? Does not matter, no White people are involved. White people have their own problems to solve at home. Yeah Xinjiang once was Aryan Tocharian land once, thousands of years ago, but it is not now, so it should not matter. Yeah Uyghurs are genetically half Northern Europeans but they are not pure Northern Europeans, so it should not matter. They are also genetically half North East Asians, so let them deal with it with the East Asian Han Empire. So all this should not matter to YT. If fellow whites would have been involved or harassed, then that would be a different matter altogether. Then that would have required serious combined YT action. So take a chill pill, keep your eyes open and just study the Xinjiang situation from all versions & points of views and learn about human nature. Involve be not.
    More important than Xinjiang are your brothers and sisters facing genocide in South Africa, who built civilization in the wilderness but are now at the mercy of greedy violent Communist jungle savages thanks to International Jew. Do something on that.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  19. Erebus says:
    @Malla

    … Sultan of the new Ottoman Empire Erdofag has bent down for Celestial Emperor Xi…

    Methinks you have that backwards, Mr. Malla.

    China would much sooner have them infest Turkey than have them back. Due its geographic location, Turkey’s importance to BRI outweighed dealing with their peculiarly rabid brand of jihadism. Unfortunately (for the Chinese), treating these whackos like the Iranians and Russians treat them doesn’t seem to be in the Chinese DNA.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @sarz
  20. Malla says:
    @Erebus

    China would much sooner have them infest Turkey than have them back.

    Sure, but read the news articles, China for some reason wants them back. Anyways my main point is how Erdofag who recently started behaving like “Caliph of all Islam” and “defender of the faith”, slipped for a few Chinese shekels. He is like our Modi (India), a conman riding on a deep national/ religious emotions.

  21. Erebus says:

    … China for some reason wants them back.

    The WION site kept timing out, but I couldn’t find any suggestion that China was demanding their return in either of the other two.

    Given that the Uighurs developed a reputation as the most savage of ISIS’ shock troops in Syria, Erdogan would be completely right to try to get somebody to take them off his hands.

    Too bad Russia didn’t volunteer. Killing them on the toilet, in Putin’s words, seems an entirely appropriate way of dealing with them.

    I’ve read that the Iranian policy is summarily executing them wherever found. That works too.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  22. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:

    I find it strange how many posters here whine about “British oppression of Ireland”, I’ve even seen some claim the British actions in Ireland are genocide, yet they ignore China’s ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs (and Tibetans) if not actively cheer it on. Strange old world.

    • Replies: @Deep Thought
    , @d dan
  23. @Anonymous

    The only ethnic cleansings happened in North America and Australia– Not even the Nazis could match them in intensity and thoroughness.

    • Agree: Mary Marianne
  24. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “I find it strange how many posters here whine …”

    Lots of Anonymous commenters like you infecting this thread. Time to call pest control.

  25. sarz says:
    @Erebus

    Unfortunately (for the Chinese), treating these whackos like the Iranians and Russians treat them doesn’t seem to be in the Chinese DNA.

    Here’s an anecdote that suggests otherwise, told to me some years ago by a Buddhist friend whose father was for some decades the leading politician in Ladakh. A Pakistani bureaucrat friend of his had told him of an incudent in which he was a participant. There were several hundred Uighur militants sheltering in Pakistan, and the Chinese mounted a lot of pressure on Pakistan to hand them over. They finally succumbed to the pressure when assured that the militants would be treated fairly. This gentleman led the group that handed them over to their Chinese counterparts. Just minutes after they were handed over and led away a few hundred shots rang out. And that was that.

    • Replies: @d dan
  26. d dan says:
    @sarz

    “Just minutes after they were handed over and led away a few hundred shots rang out. And that was that.”

    You forget to tell us the name of the movie.

  27. @d dan

    I wouldn’t think negatively of China if they had indeed taken the course of action that sarz describes, China is a normal and sane country and does not believe in “human rights”, a Western imperialist term that is selectively applied to demonise any country that they wish, China believes in just and unjust.

    Do these terrorists deserve to be gunned down summarily? I think so, we in the UK have thousands of them walking around freely, this is what is referred to as human rights

    Anyway, with the rise of China, Western values which up until now had been enforced via gunboat (or rather aircraft carrier) will start to seem very unfashionable, just look at the schizophrenic nature of the debate in America, everything is “Nazi”! These are not serious people we are dealing with here, always keep that in mind when analysing the situation. People prefer comfort and safety, not misguided principles of individual freedoms, which do not exist in the Western world today in any meaningful sense anyway, unless it is freedom to harm society.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  28. Jesus Mao says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Mongol brought you Barbarians civilization, Moron…

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  29. @sarz

    Your argument falls flat, because Uyghur, Mongol and/or Tibetan cultures are not being eliminated in China. Documented evidence can be found from, for example, YouTube vlogger numuves, who went to Xinjiang and found that the Uyghur language was prominently being used in all sorts of public areas. But you can also just buy a plane ticket to China and see for yourself.

    Besides, if your argument is that Uyghur culture is being genocided, because Uyghurs are forced to learn Mandarin in order to participate in and profit from a blossoming economy, then practically the whole world is currently being genocided by the Anglo-Saxon civilization, which is forcing us all to learn English. Is Dutch culture now also being genocided, because in our school system I was forced to learn English, German AND French? 🙄

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  30. Derer says:
    @A123

    “Anti-Globalist Trump,” ha ha ha

    He expanded USA military bases (150), if I am not mistaken, placed on this GLOBE rather than Pluto. Trump anti-Globalization is only campaign gimmick for feeble-minded, but he is marginally better then hallucinating Biden.

  31. @sarz

    [China’s leaders over the last two hundred years have not been dopes. They learned Mahan and Mackinder the hard way. So they’ve obviously been planning land routes to world markets for a while. The takeover of Eastern Turkestan and Tibet were well laid plans. Grabbing Tibetan and Uighur (and now Indian) land routes is a step to Han welfare and even glory.]
    .
    https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/mission-accomplished-corporate-sponsored-blm-has-vanished-the-emerging-anti-globalist-majority-that-elected-trump/
    .
    Post 208

  32. @Chinaman

    You should be aware, Chinaman, that using the N-word to describe the Germans in the second world war instantly brands you a patsy of the zionists, AshkeNazis, and Jews.
    Who killed Lee Harvey Oswald?

  33. @sarz

    Ridiculous straw-man arguments, sarz. Whatever makes you think China is doing any of that stuff in your “Suppose” paragraph?

    • Replies: @Malla
  34. @Jesus Mao

    It would help if you could read. China had a civilization 3000 years before the Mongols invaded them. Europe had a civilization 2000 years before the Mongol invasion of Europe. Iraq and Iran were the cradle of Western civilization building massive structures when the Mongols were hunter gatherers.

    A policy of submit or all but two will die is hardly a sign of a civilization.

  35. Malla says:
    @Erebus

    Given that the Uighurs developed a reputation as the most savage of ISIS’ shock troops in Syria, Erdogan would be completely right to try to get somebody to take them off his hands.

    That is because the Uyghurs and the Chechens were the toughest Muslim folk around. Much tougher fighters than the local Arabs.

  36. Malla says:
    @Badger Down

    Iz this propaganda? Who knows

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  37. Malla says:
    @Erebus

    I’ve read that the Iranian policy is summarily executing them wherever found. That works too.

    Of course if the Iranians do it, the Chinese do it or the Russians do it, it is fine. If the Colonial Empires do it, it is evil. Interesting logic. But anyways I have no beef. The World is going back to its original state 500 years back as the West becomes weaker.. And it will not be the paradise as you think it will be.

  38. @A123

    Nonsense… German companies are thoroughly enriched by business in China. That keeps jobs going in Germany.

    • LOL: A123
  39. @Curmudgeon

    No… Since the Uighurs are not the original inhabitants of that land. in a region with thousands of years of civilization – they are relatively recent migrants

  40. @The Spirit of Enoch Powell

    Uighurs trying to sneak in to Vietnam challenged Vietnam authorities and got gunned down… Nobody in the west complained…. Kyrgzstan kills them too… In one incident gunning down 11 of them. Why? All the neighboring country knows how violent the Uighur separatists are and aren’t playing any games. The US and EU are blowing smelly smoke.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-27200562

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kyrgyzstan-uighurs-idUSBREA0N0MT20140124

  41. @Malla

    Vice has gone mainstream and is absolutely a propaganda machine now. The only piece they have done more pathetic than those – are the ones on the BLM protests.
    As to Xinjiang… This is more real:

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  42. vox4non says:

    “Truth is the first casualty of war”
    Really just goes to show how much the American-Anglo countries are angling for war.

    • Agree: GomezAdddams
  43. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Propaganda pieces like that prove nothing, you could go to Gaza and film Arabs looking happy and prosperous and just going about their business without a care in the world if you were selective with your filming and editing.

    When governments starting churning out unsophisticated propaganda like that, which are like “oh everyone’s so happy, nothing to see here”, it makes me only more inclined to think they’re actively trying to hide something.

    Also, China is flooding Xinjiang with Han Chinese in a big push to dilute/replace the Uyghurs, so much of the entertainment and retail options in Urumqi will no doubt be mostly there for their benefit.

  44. d dan says:
    @Anonymous

    “Propaganda pieces like that prove nothing…”

    Then go and visit the place yourself, or at least have a trusted agent of your visit it – if you really ONLY want first-hand or second-hand info. There are over 100 millions visitors to Xinjiang every year, in the last few years (e.g. 2018, 2019), and they include millions of foreigners.

    “it makes me only more inclined to think they’re actively trying to hide something.”

    That only proves your prejudice, not your imaginary “guilts” of China – damn the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”, etc when applying to China. Do you see the hypocrisy of your own western mind?

    “Also, China is flooding Xinjiang with Han Chinese…”

    Do you know the Han Chinese has been in Xinjiang much earlier that Uighurs? And what makes you think that Xinjiang should be out-of-bound for Han, even the economic and infrastructural developments require them? Furthermore, should Uighurs also be prevented to move to other Chinese regions, like coastal areas, where many of them prefer and are doing extremely well?

    “…in a big push to dilute/replace the Uyghurs,”

    You again is projecting the worse of western mentality to China.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  45. @Anonymous

    [Also, China is flooding Xinjiang with Han Chinese in a big push to dilute/replace the Uyghurs,..]
    .
    Thief calling “thief”.
    .
    In addition to d dan, see post 208, https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/mission-accomplished-corporate-sponsored-blm-has-vanished-the-emerging-anti-globalist-majority-that-elected-trump/
    .

  46. @Anon

    UN went to Xinjjang —43 Moslem countries–all was OK. Likewise, China has 55 minorities rpresented as Minorities ( including Tibetans and Uighurs) and they have their culture and language taught in school –. Now in South Dakota or any State —-what languages are taught the natives???

    • Agree: showmethereal
  47. @Anonymous

    What you wrote would make sense – except this is a Canadian citizen who went on his own and made the video. WOW! it is amazing how delusional people are. Did you read that from a script?

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