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Boat on canal in St Petersburg, Russia Photo: AFP / Tim Graham / Robert Harding Heritage
Boat on canal in St Petersburg, Russia Photo: AFP / Tim Graham / Robert Harding Heritage

It’s impossible to understand the finer points of what’s happening on the ground in Russia and across Eurasia, business-wise, without following the annual St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF).

So let’s cut to the chase, and offer a few choice examples of what is discussed on top panels.

The Russian Far East – Here’s a discussion on the – largely successful – strategies boosting productive investment in industry and infrastructure across the Russian Far East. Manufacturing in Russia grew by 12.2% between 2015 and 2020; in the Far East it was almost double, 23.1%. And from 2018 to 2020, per capita investment in fixed capital was 40% higher than the national average. The next steps center on improving infrastructure; opening global markets to Russian companies; and most of all, finding the necessary funds (China? South Korea?) for advanced tech.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) – As I’ve seen for myself in previous editions of the forum, there’s nothing remotely similar in the West in terms of seriously discussing an organization like the SCO – which has progressively evolved from its initial security focus towards a wide-ranging politico-economic role.

Russia presided the SCO in 2019-2020, when foreign policy got a fresh impetus and the socioeconomic consequences of Covid-19 were seriously addressed. Now the collective emphasis should be on how to turn these member nations – especially the Central Asian “stans” – more attractive for global investors. Panelists include former SCO secretary-general Rashid Alimov, and the current one, Vladimir Norov.

Eurasian partnership – This discussion involves what should be one of the key nodes of the Eurasian Century: the International North-South Transportation Corridor (INSTC). An important historical precedent apply: the 8th-9th centuries Volga trade route that connected Western Europe to Persia – and could now be extended, in a variation of the Maritime Silk Road, all the way to ports in India. That raises a number of questions, ranging from the development of trade and technology to the harmonic implementation of digital platforms. Here one finds panelists from Russia, India, Iran, Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan.

The Greater Eurasian partnership – Greater Eurasia is the overarching Russian concept applied to the consolidation of the Eurasian Century. This discussion is largely focused on Big Tech, including full digitalization, automated managing systems and Green growth. The question is how a radical tech transition could work for pan-Eurasia interests.

And that’s where the Russian-led Eurasia Economic Union (EAEU) comes in: how the EAEU’s drive for a Greater Eurasian Partnership should work in practice. Panelists include the chairman of the board of the Eurasian Economic Commission, Mikhail Myasnikovich, and a relic from the Yeltsin past: Anatoliy Chubais, who is now Putin’s special representative for “relations with international organizations to achieve sustainable development goals.”

Gotta ditch all those greenbacks

Arguably the most eye-catching panel on SPIEF was on the post-Covid-19 “new normal” (or abnormal), and how economics will be reshaped. An important sub-section is how Russia can possibly capitalize on it, in terms of productive growth. That was a unique opportunity to see IMF Managing Director Kristalina Georgieva, Russian Central Bank governor Elvira Nabiullina and Russian Minister of Finance Anton Siluanov debating on the same table.

It was Siluanov who in fact commanded all the SPIEF-related headlines when he announced that Russia will totally ditch the US dollar in the structure of the National Wealth Fund (NWF) – the de facto Russian sovereign wealth fund – as well as reduce the share of the British pound. The NWF will have more euros and yuan, more gold, and the yen’s share remains stable.

This ongoing de-dollarization process has been more than predictable. In May, for the first time, less than 50% of Russian exports were denominated in US dollars.

Siluanov explained that the sales of roughly $119 billion in liquid assets will go through the Russian Central Bank, and not through financial markets. In practice, that will be a simple technical transfer of euros to the NWF. The Central Bank after all has been steadily getting rid of the US dollars for years now.

Sooner or later, China will follow. In parallel, some nations across Eurasia, in an extremely discreet manner, are also bypassing what is de facto the currency of a debt-based economy – to the tune of tens of trillions of dollars, as Michael Hudson has been explaining in detail. Not to mention that transacting US dollars exposes whole nations to an extra-territorial, extortionary judicial machine.

On the all-important Chinese-Russian front, permeating all the discussions at SPIEF, is the fact that a pool of Chinese technical knowhow and Russian energy is more than able to solidify a massive pan-Eurasian market capable of dwarfing the West. History tells us that in 1400, India and China were responsible for half of the world’s GDP.

As the West wallows in a self-induced Build Back Better collapse, the Eurasian caravan seems unstoppable. But then, there are those pesky US sanctions.

The Valdai Discussion Club Session dug deeper into the hysteria: sanctions serving a political agenda are threatening vast swathes of the world economic and financial infrastructure. So we’re back once again to the inescapable syndrome of the weaponized US dollar – deployed against India buying Iranian oil and Russian military hardware, or against Chinese tech companies.

Panelists including Russian Deputy Finance Minister Vladimir Kolychev and the UN Special Rapporteur on the “Negative Impact of Unilateral Coercive Measures on the Enjoyment of Human Rights”, Alena Douhan, debated the inevitable new escalation of anti-Russian sanctions.

Another running theme underneath the SPIEF debates is that, whatever happens on the sanctions front, Russia already has an alternative to SWIFT, and so does China. Both systems are compatible with SWIFT in software, so other nations may also be able use it.

No less than 30% of SWIFT’s traffic involves Russia. If that “nuclear
“option” would ever come to pass, nations trading with Russia would almost certainly ditch SWIFT. On top of it, Russia, China and Iran – the “threat” trio to the Hegemon – have currency swap agreements, bilaterally and with other nations.

SPIEF this year has taken place only a few days before the G7, NATO and US-EU summits – which will graphically highlight European geopolitical irrelevancy, reduced to the status of a platform for US power projection.

And taking place less than two weeks before the Putin-Biden summit in Geneva, SPIEF most of all performed a public service for those who care to notice, charting some of the most important practical contours of the Eurasian Century.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anonymous[377] • Disclaimer says:

    I thought it was going to be a Chinese century? And before that, a Japanese century. But now the Chinee century is already over, and Eurasia is just a big pile of shit. It’s almost like bad luck is perpetually raining down upon those who prematurely declare that an entire century is about to be theirs.

  2. anon[712] • Disclaimer says:

    “I thought it was going to be a Chinese century? And before that, a Japanese century. But now the Chinee century is already over, and Eurasia is just a big pile of shit. It’s almost like bad luck is perpetually raining down upon those who prematurely declare that an entire century is about to be theirs. ”

    I don’t know if it’s going to be the Chinese century, but is sure won’t be the US century. The US is rapidly becoming one big Detroit, a 3.6 million square mile junkyard full of cars that were grand in their time but now rusting hulks. It was good while it lasted but nothing goes on forever. Time to hand world leadership over to some other country or group of countries.

  3. Franz says:
    @anon

    The US is rapidly becoming one big Detroit, a 3.6 million square mile junkyard full of cars that were grand in their time but now rusting hulks.

    The Putin-Biden summit in Geneva (assuming it happens at all) will be the punchline to this long running gag.

    Biden is allegedly going to quiz Putin on “human rights” and pretty much accuse him of being Stalin. All Putin has to reply is, oh, I wasn’t aware that destroying the economic prospect of millions of your citizens makes you a humanitarian liberal.

    Will Biden even get it? The president’s handlers better jump Biden up with lots of drugs to get him to Geneva in the first place. Sort of like how they used to do old horses.

  4. Biff says:
    @Franz

    The president’s handlers better jump Biden up with lots of drugs to get him to Geneva in the first place. Sort of like how they used to do old horses.

    It will be a photo-op with the government word smiths(western media) writing the script for its’ own local audience. It will literally be the Western corporate private property monkey show meeting the representatives of the East.

    Two sides.
    Two stories.

  5. @anon

    You sure our a barrel of cheer.Are you certain of your continuous
    derogatory claims?Or is it your job to contribute a stream of negative,
    uninformed,pessimistic drivel?Where are you from?Saved or chosen?
    Are you getting paid too much?Try Cairo or Islamabad or…anywhere soon.

  6. @Anonymous

    This is a Pepe Escobar propaganda article what do you expect!

    Mr Escobar basically lives in a fantasy world,he should have his journalist permit revoked as it’s obvious he’ll write any old BS about Russia,Iran and China, which are all authoritarian criminal regime,the type of regimes who constantly kill,murder,jail and torture proper journalist along with their respective long suffering citizens

    China and Russia are two of the most murderous totalitarian countries to have ever sullied the face of this planet the greatest irony is the west built them,well the west built,literally the USSR, and destroyed it,the west will see off this unpleasant trio of criminal regimes again,because its free and far more dynamic than the aforementioned,Escobar won’t ever admit this though

  7. Anonymous[658] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    #mass immigration

  8. SteveK9 says:

    Pepe is absolutely in love with the word ‘Eurasia’. The problem is that ‘Eurasia’ doesn’t include Europe, which is still part of the American Empire. That varies somewhat depending on which country in Europe, and it may change in the future, but constantly talking about ‘Eurasia’ when what is really meant is Russia/China, and possibly Iran seems faintly ridiculous. In fact, you can make a case that the only countries that are really not a part of the Empire are Russia and Iran. After all, China is still sending vast amounts of goods to the US and accepting US dollars in exchange. When they stop doing that, and they may, we can talk about China rejecting the Empire.

    For the US to maintain the Empire was really a simple task, since everyone found it very convenient. But, America’s rulers could not leave well enough alone, and became infinitely more arrogant after the fall of the Soviet Union.

    The other important factor is that the US is indeed degenerating, as it abandons the English/European Enlightenment that was the foundation of its culture and civilization. The Empire goes on and on, simply because it is hard to replace and because people everywhere still have nostalgia for the basic principles of the American Constitution, even though large numbers of Americans are ready to throw it away.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  9. Realist says:
    @alwayswrite

    LOL, what silly bullshit.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  10. @Realist

    You need to rebrand yourself,as you’re certainly not a realist!

    1,Who built the industrial base of the Soviets?

    2,Who’s facilitated the rise of China?

    Simple answers

    1,America

    2,the international rules based system created by America and the west

    Escobar endlessly pushes this Eurasia meme,but its the Indo- Pacific thats the real and only show in town,and America and its partners and allies will contain Chinese ambitions,and therefore this century will continue to belong to the collective free world,not under the dominance of evil Chinese communist and criminals from Russia

  11. @Anonymous

    That’s funny because both Trump and Biden said they were determined to keep the US as the 21st century hegemon

  12. @Franz

    Putin spoke at the forum… He seemed pretty clear. He said the US is only interested in controlling Russia and he wasn’t going to let it happen.

    • Agree: profnasty
  13. @SteveK9

    Well Russia is both European and Asian. Also – don’t underestimate how big of a deal it is that Russia is removing US dollars from it’s sovereign wealth fund. That is huge. It had already greatly reduced it’s holdings of US debt. China is doing the same thing – just little by little. They are buying the most gold of anyone.

  14. Realist says:
    @alwayswrite

    You need to rebrand yourself,as you’re certainly not a realist!

    Says you. Perhaps a moniker like alwayswrong would be apropos for you.

    • Replies: @Moderate Rebel
  15. @alwayswrite

    Is this an attempt at a joke, Always Cwazy Wong, or is you silliness real?

  16. @alwayswrite

    Always Wong, I think you mean Stalin when you pose the question who built the industrial base of the Soviets. But then you ask, who got greedy about the economic rise of China and ceased obstructing it?

    I think I know the answers. But your American so-called international rules-based system, beyond the self-contradiction so obvious about that pure propaganda title, is a greedy attempt to throw UN-based International Law in the rubbish bin.

    But that’s American Exceptionalism, Americans the Herrenvolk, right?

  17. Aren’t we at war with Eurasia ?

    • Thanks: Rahan
    • LOL: Jimmy le Blanc
  18. This is one of those trigger issues that brings the trolls out of the woodwork in droves.

    It’s like nuclear power in that way.

    Maybe at one time there were some people in the US who were alright. There might still be a few holdouts.

    But, basically, essentially, for all intents and purposes, in this day and age, as things stand right now, America is the Kingdom of Assholes. Right, left, take your pick–assholes.

  19. Rahan says:
    @alwayswrite

    America and its partners and allies will contain Chinese ambitions,and therefore this century will continue to belong to the collective free world,not under the dominance of evil Chinese communist and criminals from Russia

    All of this makes some sense 30 years ago.

    Especially before the “collective free world” started shedding its freedoms at a robust pace. Today the West had about 20% freedoms left of those it had 30 years ago, and that’s before COVID.
    Today the Western Democracies are Post-Western post-Democracies. If they ever reclaim their freedoms and the ability to choose how they live and with whom, then they will again become a beacon.

    As things stand now, it’s a far more cynical situation of competing power centers having the same levels of censorship and lack of transparency (just about different topics and in different institutions), throwing around ideals they are allegedly following, which everyone can see is not the case.

    The last carriers of the western freedom ideals are the middle aged and senior white people in the West, who have already been replaced. The new generation in schools is under 50% white. The current new generations filling up institutions don’t understand efficiency or basic freedoms. But the older white folks need to be kept from trashing this new order and from accidently slipping off the noose. This is why they will be fed symbols and concepts from 30 years ago, to keep from them making trouble, even as they slowly age, die, and are replaced by imported Nicaraguans, Somalians, and Arabs.

    And the whole system of robust working class and middle class groups (with shared cultural and social institutions, high inter-group trust and solidarity) telling the institutions, big business, and schools what to do, is replaced with a mass of dependent atomized plebs, who are now told by institutions and corporations what to do, sold “identities”, stripped of all traditional freedoms in order to have “new anal freedoms”, addicted to all possible pills and porn, with a small managerial cast above them from imported higher IQ Asians, and a small core of Feudal Overlords.

    This is heart-breaking to watch. Especially the dying old white demographic still clinging to the truths of 30 years ago in order to not admit that they are being choked to death here and now by parasites, predators, and psychopaths who have stolen their civilization, dismantled their society, and carried out a brilliant slow motion ethnic cleansing.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
    , @Alden
  20. @alwayswrite

    “its the Indo- Pacific thats the real and only show in town”
    Unfortunately for the US, the Indian and Pacific are OCEANS, so good luck with that. Or was it supposed to be a threat?

    The Eurasian continent, with its billions of people, millions of engineers, and thousands of cities will do just fine without the US. Just butt out and have a nice day.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @BlackFlag
  21. @Realist

    Or maybe CyberFighter will be more appropriate for him:

    https://www.military.net/pentagon-has-60000-troops-in-secret-undercover-army/

    [The fastest-growing group in the secret army is comprised of cyber fighters and intelligence collectors who operate undercover online, using “nonattribution” and “misattribution” techniques to conceal their identities and locations.]

    • Thanks: Realist
  22. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Stalin was a criminal,used to rob banks to pay for his fabulous revolution thing,so no Stalin didn’t build up the industrial base of the Soviet Union,as he had absolutely no qualifications to do so

    Stalins first five year plan was dependent upon American technologies and superior engineering experience,basically it was in this period that America trained up and educated Soviet engineers to develop their industry,America even prefabricated entire factories and shipped them to Russia

    Of course not many people know or want to know about this because Stalin made sure this inconvenient history of superiority of capitalism was airbrushed out of history

    So basically the facts are,without the massive transmission of technology from America there wouldn’t have been an industrial base for the Soviets to arm themselves and destroy the Nazis,but Putin would never admit this either

    If you want a general idea about this I’d try Antony C Sutton who researched this,you should try his book, National suicide: Military aid to the Soviet Union…..enjoy!!!!!

  23. @anon

    It wasn’t so ‘good’ for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, the Philippines, Korea, Indochina, Indonesia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine, Afghanistan, Latin America, Angola, Mozambique-shit, for the whole world, wherever the USA spread its evil tentacles.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  24. @Rahan

    Freedom isn’t a concept constrained by time

    The fact is many countries in the Indo -Pacific don’t like or trust China,after all its an authoritarian/ totalitarian state,trying to impose Chinese imperialism via its investment infrastructure strategies,which are becoming more aggressive and frankly hysterical in there demands

    So the nations who value freedom and a rules system not dominated by totalitarianism are coming together to make sure china will fail in its ambitions

    Escobar never mentions the fact that India is now fully pivoting towards America,Japan, and Australia in the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue,so too are France,Germany,Holland,the U.K. plus other regional countries such as Vietnam and South Korea,and remember how Escobar used to blather about BRICS!,like i said BRICS is irrelevant

    So China can’t win a war in this region the odds are starting to stack up rapidly against it,plus the strategic bottlenecks in vital computer technologies such as semiconductor is being shifted to America and other secure countries,technology vital to China which it still doesn’t have,and won’t have as America plans to be two generations ahead therefore still the leader in AI going forwards

    The problem for China is it’ll have to annex Taiwan at some point,once this happens China will be finished,isolated and no better than Russia,two daft totalitarian states sat on the geo political naughty step

  25. @alwayswrite

    Always good to see a shit scared racist buffoon shooting its feeding aperture off. The most murderous regime in history, by far, is the US of A, that dystopia which produces malignant imbeciles like you.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
    , @alwayswrite
  26. Rahan says:

    @alwayswrite

    Sure, but this helps how?

    Imagine theoretical Russian provincials being gleeful about say BLM riots in America. And someone asks them “but this helps you how? You’re still here in an authoritarian society and you’ve got shit choices if you don’t have proper connections”.

    Now turn this around. So yeah, let’s imagine India is soaring, China is declining, etc. This helps the last generation that remembers a life of liberty, peace, and plentitude in the West how? It does not. It helps the masters who are squeezing the life out of this last generation.

    In essence, this is identical to theoretical Russians who are willing to take shit from their masters, in order to psychologically fuse with the “glorious victories” to do with Crimea and the newest missiles etc.

    Only at least the theoretical oppressed Russians with their theoretical Stockholm Syndrome patriotism aren’t being aggressively ethnically cleansed by their masters. While the gibbering Western rightwing boomer and the castrated Millennials and Zoomers are absolutely OK being impoverished, stripped of rights, demonized in media, and replaced.

    Thirty years ago “a victory against Russia or China” would have led to “more democracy in the world” etc. Not today. Today this would simply strengthen the predators and parasites who have taken over everything.

    And this is the direct result of the loss of international checks and balances. During the 30 years in which Russia and China were weak, the West had no checks and balances, and degenerated instantly. There is no situation in which “the good guys don’t need to be checked or balanced, because they are the good guys”. The moment the balance goes, everything goes.

    So pray that China and Russia manage to maintain some sort of alternative power centers. Only this may motivate the current post-Western post-Democracies to try and rediscover the way that they lost.

    • Thanks: Fred777
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  27. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    “nations who value freedom and a rules system”!
    The US talks freedom and makes up rules for everyone. A few decades ago, the US was saying Taiwan was part of China, and that the Daiyou islands were part of Taiwan. Germany mustn’t get another gas pipeline, and Hong Kong must renege on its deal with Britain and China.
    The US is a pirate nation that stamps on freedom.

  28. @alwayswrite

    Another subliterate rant by the proud citizen of the Tranny Empire. A defense of the Tranny Empire by someone that stupid is tantamount to an attack by an eloquent and rational writer.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  29. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    Cossacks under the bed again ?

    • LOL: Showmethereal
  30. @Rahan

    I wont be praying for China or Russia as so called alternative power centres as they are booth authoritarian/ totalitarian states,only a total fool would pray for such a thing,you may as well go full hog and pray for the return of Hitler or Stalin

    • Replies: @Theone
    , @Rahan
    , @Daemon
    , @Anon
  31. Theone says:
    @alwayswrite

    Hope not,do not want the genocidal BLM BS spilling to my country,Fuck Murrka and the Mutts in it.

  32. Fred777 says:

    “You’re still here in an authoritarian society and you’ve got shit choices if you don’t have proper connections”.

    Describes current America to a “T”

  33. Earth did have an ice age, and now opposite which is hot age is coming, Hot age will last 3 thousand years. Centers of civilizations will soon start to move North. All US will be abandoned and its population will move to Canada, and Labrador. Similar thing will happen in Eurasia. Himalayan Ice bergs are at last breath. Ganges river will dry out. Indian population is doomed.
    All Chinese will move into two northern wings.
    All Europe will move to Scandinavia.
    The Great migration of humanity north wil begin soon.
    LENINGRAD (St Peters burg) will be Capital of the world.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  34. Theone says:
    @alwayswrite

    They are less totalitarian than the USSA. USSA is the least fre country in the world,and the last thing I want is my country being bullied into antiracist and tranny BS.

  35. @alwayswrite

    Given his use of dumb terms like “daft” and “naughty step”, it is probable that the resident subliterate imbecile, who is incapable of understanding the difference between a comma and a period or between “there” and “their”, isn’t even a citizen of the Central Sector of the Tranny Empire but of one of its outlying territories, such as that mildewed little island where Pakistanis go to pork teenage girls or perhaps the waterless hell full of venomous vermin (and also snakes, scorpions, spiders, box jellyfish, lethal ticks, etc.). That makes him even more pathetic. If you actually have the misfortune of being a native of the Central Sector, it’s somewhat understandable you’d want to defend your nig and yid-infested home soil, but this fellow isn’t even that. He’s just a fanboi—or perhaps I should say fanpurson since you never know when a proud Trannystanni like “them” might decide to “transition”.

  36. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Mulga,I’d say china and it’s one child policy was the most murderous act in all of human history

    The brave new world of Chinese eugenics,killed millions of unborn children,and now they’re deep in the brown smelly stuff as a result, and I’ve not even mentioned the mass death as a result of Mao policies,about sixty million more,but its the inhumanity of the former which i find more obscene,and of course the CCP is still using these repressive methods of forced abortions and sterilisation

    So please spare me your childish nonsense,China is a truly horrible repressive Orwellian hell hole,millions of men will now grow into old age never having married or having a happy family,i cant think of a more disgusting state of inhumanity than this sordid cess pit of a place

    China has destroyed its future by these policies,it’s in a deeply profound demographic crisis,so to is Russia,no young people you see,no wonder Putin has a plan to equip his armed forces with robots

    Trouble is Putin doesn’t have the scientific or industrial base to do so

  37. @Ray Caruso

    Your defence of totalitarianism isn’t exactly a sign of high intelligence,so please don’t try and flatter yourself,because you’re on the wrong side of history my friend

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  38. antibeast says:
    @Anonymous

    I thought it was going to be a Chinese century? And before that, a Japanese century. But now the Chinee century is already over, and Eurasia is just a big pile of shit.

    Who said the 21st century was going to be a ‘Chinese’ century? Eurasia is revival of a bygone era whose time has come. Remember that the world was ruled by Eurasia for 1,900 of last 2,000 years!

    It’s almost like bad luck is perpetually raining down upon those who prematurely declare that an entire century is about to be theirs.

    Tell that to the stupid gringos as their so-called ‘American’ century did nothing for them.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  39. @Anonymous

    And you just wait until they tell you it’s going to be the Persian (Iranian) century but in the meantime, it’s always been the Jewish millennium and it will continue to be so.

  40. Bro43rd says:
    @obwandiyag

    Cliche, well you know what they say, takes one to know one, lol.

  41. MLK says:

    Geopolitics (in the broadest sense of the term; i.e. including geo-economics; geo-finance . . .) is akin to the law of conservation of energy in physics — a fixed pie.

    Thus the “energy” of the Soviet Union within the world order wasn’t (and couldn’t) be destroyed in 1989-91, it was transferred. Not in some methodical, or “rule’s based” manner, but in a highly contested and opaque fashion.

    This author has been invaluable in chronicling the Sad Story that was the US’s “Unipolar Moment.” Notice the past tense (“was”):

    “How did you go bankrupt?”
    Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

    ― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises

    At least so far, American power hasn’t been formally reallocated to other sovereigns. No, we’re in the (exceedingly dangerous) contested phase, with an American “Yeltsin” having been installed.

    It’s obvious to me at least that “Biden” wasn’t by choice or design but necessity. The only way the anti-Trump alignment, foreign and domestic, could square the circle in operation Get Rid Of Trump.

    I expected the promised payoffs to come fast and furious but Putin/Russia seems to be the only one who understands the monumental risk in publicly humiliating the USG as China did in Alaska and Iran is bound and determined to replay in fuller and more obvious form re JCPOA+.

    Say what you will about the US of A and our current travails, the anti-Trump alignment, foreign and domestic, threw everything it had — Impeachment; an attempted replay of the Iranian Hostage Crisis; the SARS-CoV-2 PSYOP/Bioweapon; Antifa/BLM Brown Shirts . . . — and they still had to engage in a monumental, and monumentally obvious steal because Trump won in a landslide.

    Yes, Western — most especially US — ruling, governing, and business classes, are tired of having to compete, whether for consent of the governed or in terms of wealth and power. From where they sit, and with good reason, CCP China has the secret sauce.

    You’d have to be a fool to think this was the plan. More like the dog that caught the mail truck it seems to me.

    China wants to book the geopolitical gains vis-à-vis the US and its allies and recede from the wholly accurate appearance of controlling “Biden.” After all, you don’t fix — Clinton; Bush; Obama — what wasn’t broken.

    Iran understandably want to get paid. It was promised regional hegemony by Obama, and after all it went through staying on team anti-Trump, it wants JCPOA squared. More regional dominance, more money, and something the Chinese and Russians (especially) consider reckless if not outright damaging to their interests, humiliation of the US before the world.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
  42. @Anonymous

    Donald Trump ended the Sino-Soviet split, so Russia gets to share in the glory that is the destruction of America. If China doesn’t unleash rape gangs and chemical warfare on the South, I hope Russia does. Death to the great Satan and the descendants of the Diest planters that founded it.

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
    , @Alden
  43. @obwandiyag

    There’s no one in America, especially but not limited to unz commenters, worth saving.

  44. Rahan says:
    @alwayswrite

    I wont be praying for China or Russia as so called alternative power centres as they are booth authoritarian/ totalitarian states,only a total fool would pray for such a thing,you may as well go full hog and pray for the return of Hitler or Stalin

    See, this is again thinking from two generations ago.
    In the late 20th century, Russia and China had:
    1) Closed borders
    2) No freedom of movement inside the borders
    3) No private property
    4) No private initiative
    5) Total censorship of external media
    6) Enforced “proper look” of people on the street, and so on.

    Today none of this is true. The borders are open, private initiative is legal, foreign films are watched, foreign music is danced to etc.

    Likewise, back in the day Russia, Germany, Japan etc were expansive empires. Today, Russia is merely struggling to survive, while China is attempting to return to its role from before the Industrial Revolution–be an inward-focused merchant empire.

    Today Russia and China are both “totalitarian” in the sense the late Austro-Hungarian empire was “totalitarian”–i.e. not totalitarian at all, but merely softly authoritarian. And again, borders are open. If anyone wants to leave–they leave.

    Globohomo presents “China trying to take over the world” in two ways:
    1) By pretending that banal border issues with neighbors, and internal separatist issues are symptoms of “they want to conquer everyone”, and
    2) By saying that them doing business with the world means the world will be enslaved.

    As two alternative power centers, China and Russia are much less cruel to their own population than back in the 20th century, and no more “totalitarian” than Turkey or Egypt. Definitely less “totalitarian” than Saudi Arabia, for example.

    And again, the philosophies of both today are not “we will bury you” or “we will remake you in our image” but rather “back off and leave us alone you weirdos. Stop encircling us and pressuring us”.

    However, calling everyone who isn’t exactly like you a “Hitler” or a “Stalin” is a completely understandable, if rather unfortunate emotional condition. Likewise the follow up which is usually along the lines of “oh yeah, well why don’t you go live there then!?”

    It’s all very well to pretend that this is still 1985, and the West has freedoms, and everyone else doesn’t. This is, however, 2021, and if this attitude persists, the West will lose the last remaining 10% of its freedoms, even as the citizens who should be fighting for them, are herded into the “now let’s hate evil commie Nazi Asiatics and Slavs” mental state.

    The middle class is dismantled, the working class are turned into dependent proles, the population is replaced through robust importation, the kids are encouraged to sterilize themselves and hate their culture, but even with his dying gasp the well-trained drone will croak out “but Putin is evil!!!”

    Welp. Everyone has to make their choice where they stand and what their priorities are. We are all in the middle of the Great Reset, and what the West will look like on the other side of this transition, will depend not on how fiercely we hate Beijing or Moscow (which is much easier and actively encouraged by every aspect of the system), but on what happens inside the West and does the population accept the role of prole drones, or try to become once more actual citizens who demand free speech and their old freedoms back (which is actively discouraged by the system and packaged as “domestic terrorism” or “working for foreign governments”).

    And this is a very important symptom. The moment the systems starts calling protesters “insurrectionists” and dissidents “terrorists” or “foreign spies”, this means the shift from democracy to post-democracy is almost completely finished.

    • Thanks: Tom Marvolo Riddle
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
    , @alwayswrite
    , @GMC
  45. Alfred says:
    @Franz

    The Putin-Biden summit in Geneva …

    I wonder which Biden will attend?

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
  46. @alwayswrite

    So I’m too young to have lived through it, but I’ve been told that in the 1980’s people were convinced Japan was going to become a rival superpower to the US because of how darn fast they were growing. But then a crash happened and Japan has been stagnant for decades and dependent on extreme QE jus to maintain it’s 0.5% growth while burdened by a mountain of debt. Sound familiar?

    It shouldn’t.

    Japan has the advantage of a high IQ homogenous population that doesn’t riot and burn down it’s own cities. Things are going to be much worse for the US. Tell me where I am wrong.

  47. Daemon says:
    @alwayswrite

    No need to reply to this comment or take this person seriously. This level of psychological splitting shows terminal levels of NPD. There is no logic or reason behind any of his arguments, just pure emotion and magical thinking. Typical case of demoralization. Some people just cannot be helped.

  48. @Ray Caruso

    You always play the man don’t you,and not the ball,,,,,….. Did i Get that wrighte 😂😂😂😂

    Central sector?????

    Did you get that from the saker by chance

  49. USA isn’t a country so much as a judeo-masonic crime syndicate.
    With the albatross of child-killing illegal Israel round its neck.
    Pumping it for money … passing “hatespeak antisemitic” so-called laws to prevent criticism … this disasterous parasite rules/runs USA.

    Everybody incl Americans should be voting for SCO.

    Fuck America.
    Fuck Zion.

    • Thanks: Boomthorkell, Nancy
  50. @Supply and Demand

    Why involve either nation in a personal vendetta? I mean, if you wouldn’t fuck a Southerner, why taint them with it? They can just wait out the collapse or annihilate the Great Satan locally. No need for anyone dying on the beaches.

    Sometimes, you have to take the act of genocide (regioncide?) into your own hands. It will be tough being your own rape gang, but I believe in you. That or you just enjoy the collapse of the Empire.

  51. @Rahan

    Your last paragraph is interesting because thats exactly how Putin calls any opposition to his dictatorship

    But then Putin Russia never was a democracy,now its just a fascist corporate regime,and it will in time collapse

    Basically if you want to join the club,you know the international rules based system,you need to play by the rules and China hasn’t, they’ve stolen and cheated so they now become hysterical about the beastly Americans

    Well they’ll have to play by the rules otherwise they’ll bring a war upon themselves by doing something dumb like annexing Taiwan,then they’ll get the same treatment as Russia

    The point is China has to take Taiwan as its their manifest destiny to do so, otherwise china can’t be ‘complete’ so they’ve set themselves on a collision course with the rest of the free world

    So basically America and its allies are waiting for China to make their stupid move,then they’ll be put under the most severe naval blockade ever seen,and no,the BRI Eurasian stuff won’t save them as the EU won’t be buying anything from them,China will be totally isolated,their navy will be lured out into the deep oceans and destroyed once that happens along with the collapse of the Chinese economy,it’ll be all over for them

    They could however stop all this,but unfortunately they’re insane ideologically driven communists so no hope for them

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Mefobills
  52. @Rahan

    Your last paragraph is interesting because thats exactly how Putin calls any opposition to his dictatorship

    But then Putin Russia never was a democracy,now its just a fascist corporate regime,and it will in time collapse

    Basically if you want to join the club,you know the international rules based system,you need to play by the rules and China hasn’t, they’ve stolen and cheated so they now become hysterical about the beastly Americans

    Well they’ll have to play by the rules otherwise they’ll bring a war upon themselves by doing something dumb like annexing Taiwan,then they’ll get the same treatment as Russia

    The point is China has to take Taiwan as its their manifest destiny to do so, otherwise china can’t be ‘complete’ so they’ve set themselves on a collision course with the rest of the free world

    So basically America and its allies are waiting for China to make their stupid move,then they’ll be put under the most severe naval blockade ever seen,and no,the BRI Eurasian stuff won’t save them as the EU won’t be buying anything from them,China will be totally isolated,their navy will be lured out into the deep oceans and destroyed once that happens along with the collapse of the Chinese economy,it’ll be all over for them

    They could however stop all this,but unfortunately they’re insane ideologically driven communists so no hope for them

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @Rahan
    , @Fred777
  53. Good to see Russia is working hard on developing the Far East. I’m very excited now to visit Vladivostok.

    It’s a shame it’s taken this long, but Russia is finally becoming the Eastern Economic power it always should have been. I’m sure the regional economy will boom further as rail, pipelines, and roadways begin crossing through both Koreas and into Japan proper (shipping will obviously pick up as well). Finally, then, there will be an economically integrated and united North East Asia, and it didn’t even take a successful single empire annexing the whole place.

    This is dependent upon NATO\Empire (read: American) interference in the regions ends one way or another, but that is coming.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  54. GMC says:
    @Rahan

    Excellent synopsis – Russia and probably many others wouldn’t even have to be totalitarian, if the West hadn’t become a huge crime syndicate that destroys countries or takes them over. Russia has no choice , but to clamp down on it’s borders and watch out for every dirty trick the US, EU and Nato has up their sleeves. This all wears on the people too, but the Russian people are much more straight and are thick skinned enough to see this – deja-vu scenario from the West. They know President Putin has Russia’s back, because his past record on what he did after the Fall – is unprecedented. My 2 rubles worth anyways.

    • Agree: Rahan
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  55. GMC says:
    @Alfred

    Good one Alfred – which one will show up ? The one that can walk down A F Ones – Stairs without falling. lol Putin will have a field day with either of them – or both of them . I don’t trust this meeting tho.

  56. anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Axis of Evil: England(6), USA(6), Israel(6).

    Legacies of the 666: Death, Destruction, Impoverishment, Misery, Waste.

    Time they understood the meaning of: “Your expiration date is now. Go.”

    bjondo/5ds

    • Replies: @Philip Owen
  57. @GMC

    So you admit Russia and presumably china are totalitarian

    They don’t have to be,unfortunately Putins Russia was built upon the carcass of the failed state called the USSR and like I’ve mentioned without transfer of western/ American know-how the Soviets couldn’t have built up their industrial base,at least not in time to fight the Nazis

    So Putin knows all of this and he basically hates the fact that the western system is sooooo much superior than anything he or Russia could create,basically Russia is a parasite living of the west in technology terms it cant compete economically thats why putin had to annex Crimea and start the war against Ukraine because he knew that a successful Ukraine as part of the EU trade block would totally discredit him and his criminal cronies

    Not only would it undermine his incompetence in the economy but also undermine the future of his naval base in Crimea,so he had no choice but to undertake a programme of violence, intimidation and propaganda,which may work well with idiot thick Russians but doesn’t fool anyone else

    Was any of this actually worth it?

    Will it make Russia great again?

    No,simple answer NO!

    All this has done is isolate Russia,Putin will have his own fake election this September how long before people in Russia react the same way as in Belarus?

    • Replies: @Rogue
  58. Renoman says:

    The Yanks must be really worried they are bringing out all the big mouth talking heads sneering jerks, I say Pompeo on Fox this morning, man is he ever steamed. Sounds to me like Pepe is right over the target!

  59. Rahan says:
    @alwayswrite

    So basically America and its allies are waiting for China to make their stupid move,then they’ll be put under the most severe naval blockade ever seen,and no,the BRI Eurasian stuff won’t save them as the EU won’t be buying anything from them,China will be totally isolated,their navy will be lured out into the deep oceans and destroyed once that happens along with the collapse of the Chinese economy,it’ll be all over for them.

    Big if true.

  60. @MLK

    Chinese aim now is to take over Africa. First by trade, later politically, And in the end China will colonize Africa.

    • LOL: showmethereal
  61. @Alfred

    I would go with wrinkles around the eyes. Those are most positive indicators.

  62. @Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Japan eventually concentrated on cars, China is concentrating on household items.
    Very big difference.

    • Replies: @frankie p
  63. Alden says:
    @Rahan

    I’m a senior White person. I observed the destruction of America since I was a kid, for the last 60 years. It was the boomer senior Whites and the FDR worshipping Greatest Generation that did it all.

    The 40-60 year olds now managing the destruction were schooled and raised by the senior Whites. The Whites who were in charge of this country 1960-the present did it all.
    Look at Biden and Fauci. 78 79 years old.

    • Thanks: Rahan
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  64. Alden says:
    @Supply and Demand

    What south? Africa? South America? , India? Indonesia ? Australia? New Zealand? It’s the most populated area of the earth and huge geographically. Think of the logistics the cost of fuel alone. Probably container ships full of military going all over the world instead of shipping cheap Chinese crap to Pacific American ports. But without selling their cheap crap to America how will China pay its soldiers to conquer the global south?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  65. Actually guy, I was equating Japan to the USA. If you don’t know what is going on with the US economy I suggest you look it up. China is not doing QE btw. And china makes all kinds of crap. Along with most of the world’s steel. Ya know, the stuff all the big guns and vehicles are made of. I’m also curious as to why you think making cars is so impressive. We used to make cars in the USA, now mexico makes cars for us. Is mexico amazing now that they make a lot of cars?

    Also did you actually read any Nietche? Or ru just trying to be cool? Demonstrated reading comprehension belies this implicit claim of yours. Reading him is like reading shakespeare translated to swahili and then back to english by google translate.

  66. Yee says:

    alwayswrite,

    “but its the Indo- Pacific thats the real and only show in town,”
    “Escobar never mentions the fact that India is now fully pivoting towards America,Japan, and Australia in the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue,”

    Only a wishful thinking Hindu would imagine India can amount to anything in the forseeable future…

  67. Passer by says:
    @alwayswrite

    Lol where did they find retards like you? Almost all regions of the world are growing faster than western countries, the West is on a long term decline and that is estimated and admitted by the intelligence community – see US National Intelligence Council Reports.

    View post on imgur.com

  68. Rogue says:
    @alwayswrite

    You been watching too much CNN again?

    Here’s a prediction for you: the USA is going to break apart and split up – long before either Russia or China do.

    Several commenters have made the completely obvious and observable point – that the West is no longer the entity of 30 years ago.

    The moral degeneracy, growing authoritarianism, loss of free speech and other freedoms, and a seeming desire to largely eradicate the native stock of these countries – hardly speaks to a healthy future.

    Take off your rose-colored glasses.

  69. Fred777 says:
    @alwayswrite

    If China wanted Taiwan they would take Taiwan, the USA would not do a thing about it. Two reasons, first Amazon and Walmart wouldn’t let our military do anything that could effect their bottom line. Second we would get our ass kicked, not one of those ‘death by a thousand cuts’ type wars like Afghanistan. No this would be carrier groups that got within striking distance of China being left adrift and ablaze.

    • Agree: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  70. Miro23 says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    It wasn’t so ‘good’ for Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, the Philippines, Korea, Indochina, Indonesia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Palestine, Afghanistan, Latin America, Angola, Mozambique-shit, for the whole world, wherever the USA spread its evil tentacles.

    Nagasaki 1945

    Nagasaki 2021

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki recovered and are now thriving cities.

    A question is whether New York and Washington would recover in the same way (having the same experience) ? Who would rebuild them and what would they look like?

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @alwayswrite
  71. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    Damn son, you’re in for a rough ride when your fantasy “Call Of Duty” world comes crashing down.

    • Agree: showmethereal
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  72. @antibeast

    I’m sure Rome and Byzantium would find your assertion laughable.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  73. Ghali says:

    Unfortunately, outside Moscow and St Petersburg, Russia is still a backward country with unreliable basic public services. Good jobs are still in the hands of the white elites. In fact, when it comes to white, Russia is a supremacist (extremist) white nation. Economic and military powers do not change Russia’s ugly reality.

    • Replies: @FB
  74. @Alden

    Destruction might be a bit of an overreaction but at least you dindunuffin.

  75. Mefobills says:
    @Alfred

    90% of the ear is still the same.

    There was probably some beautification surgery.

    It is the same Biden.

    The overall ear shape is like a finger-print, it is unique to every individual.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  76. @Miro23

    Well, the two nuked cities didn’t have hordes of niggers and spics. And faggots weren’t a thing.

  77. Holy fuck, the amount of State Dept shills in this comment section.

    Hello, FYI, no army can function with twice the amount of critical pedos, faggets, niggers, spics, and welfare queen masses. It is game over for muttmerica and the degenerate (((west))) already.

  78. @Lemming

    Lemming, yup interesting,isn’t that a dumb creature that runs off the end of a cliff!

    • Replies: @Lemming
  79. A.z says:
    @Anonymous

    Hmm project for the new ame century 🤔

  80. @alwayswrite

    “ Russia,Iran and China, which are all authoritarian criminal regime,the type of regimes who constantly kill,murder,jail and torture proper journalist along with their respective long suffering citizens”

    Yes, I think China should be boycotted until she releases Julian Assange from prison.

    Cheers.

  81. @Miro23

    Those cities got rebuilt because of America,and they absolutely know,the Japanese that is,where their best interests are best served,hint it’s not China

    Incidentally New York doesn’t need to worry about being destroyed like Hiroshima its not gonna happen,however the Chinese fleet stands a very good chance of being destroyed

    • Replies: @Passer by
    , @antibeast
  82. FB says: • Website
    @Ghali

    What bullshit—from a ‘Ghali’ no less.

    You’ve obviously never been to Russia. It has 15 cities over one million population [more than the US, which has 10], and all of them are from nice to beautiful and very livable. I’ve been to many of them.

    We see a lot of the usual bullshit artists on this thread. That ‘alwayswrite’ idiot [also never been to Russia] only ever comes out on Pepe and Saker threads to spew his delirious fantasies.

    The US is a third-world country across large swaths of its inner-city urban centers. Baltimore is a shithole personified, on the level of Mogadishu, Somalia. So is Detroit, St Louis and a dozen other US shitholes that are more depraved, dangerous and depressing than some of the worst places in Mexico or Colombia.

    The US Ponzi Economy is smoke and mirrors and went into meltdown mode already in late 2019, which is why the Covid reaction was to lock down the economy—in order to keep interest from rising and detonating a complete financial meltdown.

    This article was written almost a year ago not only explains why these drastic lockdown measures were put in place, using the virus as a convenient excuse, but also PREDICTED exactly what we have seen in the last 12 months since it was written—with repeated lockdowns, new strains etc. All to somehow keep this smoke and mirrors casino economy from completely crashing and burning.

    The Right Virus at the Right Time

    There will be no ‘recovery’ and no coming back.

    The economy will not restart.

    It will be an L-shaped graph where after the vertical collapse of now, a long period of slow and prolonged stagnation will follow, on levels much lower than the previous ones.

    2019 was the last year of the world as we knew it. With 2020, we will be faced with a new reality and whether we like it or not, it will be with us at least until 2032.

    If we were to decide to reopen everything and return to the previous situation, we would find ourselves in a moment at the starting point, or in September 2019, with the explosion of the REPO market.

    This choice was inevitable. It is the most colossal case of “BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE” in the history of humanity.

    The next shoe to drop will be China demanding to be paid in YUAN [or gold] for all the vital necessities it supplies to the US. That will be the coup de grace that will put this ridiculous piece of shit out of its misery.

    And here is a comparison of two city subways. No commentary required.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
    , @Ghali
  83. @Fred777

    Oh dear me you have no idea about grand strategy do you ‘ Fred’

    America is calling all the shots,China has to take Taiwan,they have no choice,it’s part of their deranged communist Chinese DNA,just like Putin had to take Crimea!

    the point is when China ‘ takes’ Taiwan what will they actually gain?

    Fred they’ll gain nothing,as America will ensure that a short war will destroy most of the best stuff,you know like semiconductor stuff,it won’t matter though as America and It’s allies will be making all they need in terms of important stuff,not the crap sold in Wal-Mart

    America,or the Quad + will close off all the maritime trade routes that China depends on,so Wal-Mart won’t even come into the equation at that point,this will draw the Chinese fleet into the open sea,they’ll have no choice,and that’s when they’ll get destroyed,forget all this nonsense about America sailing its carriers into harms way,it’s not gonna happen

    To many people listen to all this blather about China and its missile stuff,well its all desperate bluff,China and its economy is totally dependent upon the sea,and it can’t control the sea beyond a relatively short range,plus its navy has no experience to fight a major naval war against America and its allies who have literally centuries of naval warfare experience

  84. @FB

    I don’t spew anything as you put it

    I call out BS from totally biased people

    The saker,not a Russian incidentally,is just an angry grunter from Switzerland

    Escobar however is supposed to be a journalist,but his output is so totally biased it’s frankly unbelievable,but obviously it has a market

    You can believe whatever you want,but Russia isn’t an economic super power,and its so called leaders are gonna screw ordinary Russians over as they have been doing for the last twenty plus years

    You won’t sound so smug once Russia has gone belly up,and its coming my friend,as sure as night follows day

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. @alwayswrite

    If you check, alwayswrite (and you do), you’ll probably find that everyone who ever lived in your country has died, except for those alive now. China has 1.4 bn people, but you want to increase that. I can’t see the sense in it.

  86. Passer by says:
    @alwayswrite

    No such thing as USA being “America”, you poor US supremacist, there are many countries in South America and North America and one of them is US America.

    Its population is “US americans”, not americans either. Do not denigrate Brazil or Argentina or Canada and all the other countries from the Americas, by expropriating the name of “America” for yourself, manipulatively trying to increase your self-importance.

    • LOL: Bubba
  87. @Boomthorkell

    Check out Khabarovsk, too. Beautiful city, big river!

    • Replies: @Boomthorkell
  88. Passer by says:
    @alwayswrite

    the international rules based system

    No such term in international law or in the UN Charter. US State Department talking points are just that – empty talkings.

    US Gov is afraid that international law does not give it the right to rule the world and so it wants to invent such an “order” by itself, as a substitue to international law and the UN.

    A bunch of jokers, relying on manipulation, lol.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  89. Badger down i actually haven’t a clue what you’re on about

    The Chinese CCP has had a policy to kill as many unborn children as needed to keep its population down,a massive eugenics programme,and a deeply inhumane thing to do,but thats what totalitarian states like China do,literally millions killed,so 1.4 billion and counting down,as all this has done is create a massive distortion to China’s demographic,which is gonna have a profound and very costly consequence going forward

  90. It could have been different for USA.
    A path of cooperation, trade, prosperity, peace.

    Instead of bombing defeated Japan or hospital city Dresden or starving POWs or invading countries not your enemies, looting, murdering, chicanery at every level, bombast, threats and violence against the weak/unsuspecting …

    It’s turned and bit you in the arse right now, though.
    All that dedicated service to zion has wrecked you.
    You and Perfidious Albion. Still frothing at the mouth, too.
    They may weasel out of it, but you are not smart enough to do that.
    Nobody will weep. You did it to yourself as well as to others.

  91. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Only the ‘American’ elite, Mouse. The serfs are simply ‘useless over-eaters’, only fit to be exploited to death, as long as there is a shekel to be wrung from them.

  92. @alwayswrite

    Always moronic, that’s why the Chinese are building the BRI, to stop you racist, psychopathic, thugs clamping a blockade on them, as the US did Japan in the 30s. If the US Fleet sails anywhere in the South China Sea with aggressive intent, they’ll be at the bottom within minutes. I would LOVE to see that, only thousands of dumb, brainwashed, Yanks would have to die needlessly, so prevention is better than cure. I am constantly surprised by just how Evil you racist, supremacist, thugs are, and I don’t know why. The evidence of your iniquity over 200 years is simply stupefying.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  93. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    Chiming in to encourage others to read a Sutton book or two. He was a respected academic until he decided to start digging into primary sources which put the historical narrative that Americans are force-fed in primary/secondary education to shame.

    Doing the work of bringing the past to light destroyed Antony C. Sutton’s career. Liars are the worst. The children of the Father of Lies are literal demons as far as I can tell. In building their foundation of sand, they force themselves to constantly fling sand about in an eternal endeavor to maintain a rotten and failing system.

    The lies are never able to sustain themselves, as reality cannot be fooled, thus the historical cycles of collapse. This time around, in a globalized planet of their own creation, the synagogue of satan has few escape routes. They can’t scurry off to another host with a hoard of gold in the 21st century. What will they do? Sampson?

    It’s all so tiresome.

  94. @Badger Down

    Ah, yes!

    Ha ha, such a good name too.

    Personally, I also want to visit Omsk. It calls to me. It’s certainly not Khabarovsk, Vladivostok, or even Novosibirsk…but it’s still Omsk!

  95. @alwayswrite

    And you are up the wrong end of the gene pool, you Yankee Doodle dullard.

  96. BlackFlag says:
    @Badger Down

    Unfortunately for the US, the Indian and Pacific are OCEANS, so good luck with that. Or was it supposed to be a threat?

    Polynesian imperium.

  97. Anon[426] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    Hitler seems pretty great compared to anything we have now. According to first hand accounts, NS Germany was a wonderful place to live. Not at all as insane and evil as the narrative created by (((international finance))) would have us believe.

    E.g. there were articles favorable of black Americans (Owens, Louis) published in NS Germany. Hitler, himself, admitted that East Asian civilizations had a richer history than his own civilization. He wanted to free Germany from the yoke of debt that (((international finance))) had placed upon it and to rid his country of the vices promoted by (((the same))).

    As punishment for Hitler’s foolish idea that Germans ought to be able to live and work for themselves rather than as goyim/cattle, the entire apparatus of world Jewry turned on him and destroyed him. Sutton attests to this.

    That’s what I make of it, anyways. I could be wrong, but the events heretofore seem to lend credence to “revisionist” history.

  98. @Anonymous

    it seems as if you’re always the first commenter and you always dump shit on the article. so? what’s with you? you either: A. have no life and don’t care to have one, B. are a bot that needs little lubrication, or C. an insomniac with OCD? which is it? A … B … C or D none of the above. Come clean now you little fuzzy wuzzy.

  99. BorisMay says:

    Odd article using years old information. Maybe the thickos from the US need it spelled out in capital letters.
    EVERYONE HATES THE US & ITS DOLLAR.

    Can’t come soon enough the demise of the US and the Fed’s financial gambling.

    Whether Russia, China and Iran can actually deliver a viable alternative remains to be seen, but bearing in mind the Rothschild banking family have their fingers in both the Russian and Chinese pies, it seems unlikely. Just another divide and rule ploy I suspect.

    We are continually being played by the oligarch class and it could be that Pepe is being played too!

    Would be good to see the evil US empire and its obnoxious citizens bite the dust, just the same.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  100. frankie p says:
    @Zarathustra

    China is concentrating on household items? What world do you live in? Have you noticed that China has more miles of high speed rail line than the rest of the world combined? Have you notice that China just landed a rover on Mars, a scant few weeks after the US. No, how could you have noticed that, when the warped media reported ONLY on the US landing and there were crickets about the Chinese success. Have you noticed that China has the most developed front to back end 5G systems in the world? Have you noticed that China is able to manufacture nearly everything that the west does, but they do it faster, with a highly stable, well trained workforce that are not prone to endless complaining.

    Keep watching.

  101. Seraphim says:
    @anon

    For sure it won’t be a US century. Nobody wants to see a BLM, LGBTQ+, #MeToo century. It is possible that the US will be excluded from the civilized world.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  102. Mefobills says:
    @Zarathustra

    You cannot extrapolate out today’s data in a straight line, and then make predictions with a straight face.

    Reality doesn’t work that way. You have fallen into a trap and are repeating a logical fallacy.

    People have been dooming and glooming since forever. In the 60, and 70’s they were predicting another ice age in 20 years. Where is it?

    Then there was supposed to be a massive bug infestation, which would eat everything.

    One of the problems with the human animal is his overactive amygdala. Those with underdeveloped hippocampus regions are unable to put down their fear centers.

    This biggest problem facing man today is his own creation -his civilizations: many of which are premised on falsehoods, especially liberalism, finance capital, and materialism.

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  103. Rogue says:
    @Seraphim

    If the USA continues in the way you state, it will fall.

    So probably it will fall.

    Hopefully not and there will be change – but not looking good.

  104. Seraphim says:

    It is astonishing that nobody ever speaks (as if it doesn’t exist) of SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organization) which is the organizational framework of the Eurasian ‘pile of shit’.

  105. Mefobills says:

    Always moronic, that’s why the Chinese are building the BRI, to stop you racist, psychopathic, thugs clamping a blockade on them, as the US did Japan in the 30s.

    Japan is/was a sea-power, and hence was threat to Atlantacism, which is deep water navy and finance capital. Capital is derived from international money centers.

    You need to expand your thinking. Atlantacism is more than just interdicting shipping on the high seas. It also goes deeper, past the founding of America and further back into the Colonial Period.

    The Great Game prior to WW1 is analogous to what is happening to China and BRI. The Baghdad Berlin railroad was a forerunner. Industrial Capital and Finance Capital being at war with each other predate China’s rise after Deng’s reforms.

    Here are some dates I compiled regarding gate game. Note the railroads:

    https://www.unz.com/tlynch/review-lawrence-of-arabia/#comment-4695083

    Before Great Game it was Gilpin’s railroads in the U.S., which were part of the American System of Economy. China is basically replicating the American System, which is land power and sovereign money. China of course is also a Patriarchy, which is the natural order.

    https://thesaker.is/unipolar-vs-multipolar-the-death-of-mckinley-and-the-loss-of-americas-soul/

    A champion of the former traditionally American outlook who rose to the international scene was William Gilpin (1813-1894). Gilpin hailed from a patriotic family of nation builders whose patriarch Thomas Gilpin was a close ally of Benjamin Franklin and leading member of Franklin’s Philosophical Society. William Gilpin was famous for his advocacy of America’s trans continental railway whose construction he proselytized as early as 1845 (it was finally begun by Lincoln during the Civil War and completed in 1869 as I outlined in my previous paper How to Save a Dying Republic).

    In his thousands of speeches and writings, Gilpin made it known that he understood America’s destiny to be inextricably tied to the ancient civilization of China- not to impose opium as the British and their American lackies were want to do, but to learn from and even emulate!

    In 1852, Gilpin stated:

    “Salvation must come to America from China, and this consists in the introduction of the “Chinese constitution” viz. the “patriarchal democracy of the Celestial Empire”. The political life of the United States is through European influences, in a state of complete demoralization, and the Chinese Constitution alone contains elements of regeneration. For this reason, a railroad to the Pacific is of such vast importance, since by its means the Chinese trade will be conducted straight across the North American continent. This trade must bring in its train Chinese civilization. All that is usually alleged against China is mere calumny spread purposefully, just like those calumnies which are circulated in Europe about the United States”.

    With Lincoln’s 1861 presidential victory, Gilpin became Lincoln’s bodyguard and ensured the president survived his first assassination attempt en route to Washington from Illinois.

    Gilpin said: “No amount of argument will make America adopt old world theories… To rely upon herself, to develop her own resources, to manufacture everything that can possibly be manufactured within her territory- this is and has been the policy of the USA from the time of Alexander Hamilton to that of Henry Clay and thence to our own days”.

    Unfortunately, our (((friends))) won out after 1912. The America of the founding was no more.

  106. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    This biggest problem facing man today is his own creation -his civilizations: many of which are premised on falsehoods, especially liberalism, finance capital, and materialism.

    I don’t see how any thinking person could possibly disagree with any of that.

    However…it does not mean Zarathustra’s idea about a catastrophic global warming [not man-made] should be definitively dismissed.

    We just don’t know. Full stop.

    There are lots and lots of things we know very inadequately in many many fields of important science.

    That is also one of our civilizational delusions, practically a religion for the stupid and ignorant—thinking we know more than we do. And it is a doozy, especially in the ridiculous west.

    Technology will ‘save’ us all—says Lizard Gates.

    We will colonize mars—says Conman Musk…etc etc etc…

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  107. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    exactly, and there’s lots of different lemmings which help you build a nice little community with safeguards against cliffs and leaders forging a clear path forward… you know, unlike the US 😉

  108. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    1,Who built the industrial base of the Soviets?

    — the Soviets. America sent money to both Nazi Germany (before the war), and the USSR (during the war).
    After the war, they sent money to Europe to counter the Soviets. Reasoning with as little neurons as you seem to have, one might say “Q: who built the industrial base of the US? A: Great-Britain (railroads, manufactures and standards) and France (military)”.

    2,Who’s facilitated the rise of China?

    — China. The fact that US’s greedy corporations sold the nation’s soul and bodies to them just means they’re better businessmen than americans. Which is par for the course, as they’ve been on and off the center of world trade for the last 5000 years.

    Thank you for your questions, come again.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
  109. Ghali says:
    @FB

    Thanks for your reply. You sound like GW Bush. You obviously never been to Russia. I have been several times and saw it firsthand. I am no comparing Russia with the US. The US is not a country to compare it with other countries. It is just like you cannot compare Israel with another country. They are criminal enterprise and need to be compare with other criminal enterprises, i.e., the Sicilian Mafia or the Florida Mafias.

    • Troll: Alfred
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  110. antibeast says:
    @Alden

    Probably container ships full of military going all over the world instead of shipping cheap Chinese crap to Pacific American ports.

    Please don’t confuse American crap with Chinese goods. Just because American crap used to be ‘made’ in China doesn’t make them ‘Chinese’, most of which are now or will be made outside China in places like Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, Mexico, etc.

  111. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    “Stalin was a criminal,used to rob banks to pay for his fabulous revolution thing”

    — you need to stop reading comics, it seems to do terrible things to your brain and I’m really concerned. Calling Stalin “criminal” because he robbed a bank in 1907 under the reign of the last Romanovs is akin to saying that the Boston Tea Party was criminal because they robbed British merchants of their goods. It was, and who cares as it’s not relevant to the discussion.

    “so no Stalin didn’t build up the industrial base of the Soviet Union,as he had absolutely no qualifications to do so”

    — because US presidents had any qualification whatsoever? jesus, you even had an Hollywood actor (and a bad one at that) as president for chrissakes :). The first Five Year Plan was a harsh and efficient step into full industrialization, which meant boosting the gathering and refinement of resources to insane levels, starting from rock bottom, and tasked thousands of soviet engineers to quickly create the first industrial standards for the soviet union. They did use about 25 american engineers as well as an unspecified number of german ones. In that light, your statement is hilarious. The fact they signed deals with German and American firms for technology transfer does not:
    1) make you “the builder of the soviet union”
    2) imply that Germany had a lesser role, not to mention german technology was far more advanced at that time (they invented the computer and the rocket when the US still had battleships)
    3) imply that the US somehow did not steal (sorry, bought) technology from Europe in order to build their “massive superiority”.

    In other news, the fact that France sent about 20 fighter pilots to fight in the Soviet Union during WW2 does not mean “they won the war for the USSR”.

  112. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Well…that is indeed an excellent look back by the very insightful writer Matthew Ehret.

    But Gilpin’s view was just one among others—including those that were at that time ‘opening’ up Japan and [attempting] Korea, by means of gunboat.

    As for this:

    Industrial Capital and Finance Capital being at war with each other predate China’s rise after Deng’s reforms.

    China began to rise decades before Scumbag Deng. It was among the first nations to orbit a satellite, in 1970 [before Britain], and had its own nuclear weapons by 1964.

    The Great Helmsman had already built up a solid foundation of heavy industry, plus built massive electric and water projects that solved the country’s chronic drought problems and laid the foundations for industrial urbanization.

    Nothing that came later could possibly have happened without that very solid foundation. To their credit, the Chinese are constantly adapting and improving their model, but keeping to the crucial principle of industrial and technological self-sufficiency, which is indeed the foundation stone of national strength.

    But they are also doing the concomitant crucial things, like massive state nurturing of higher education, health care and all the crucial aspects of SOCIAL well-being, without which you cannot have a real country or any kind of national strength.

    None of those things were ever really a priority for the US, which relied mostly on table scraps ‘trickling down’ from its oligarchy to the masses of ordinary folks who ARE the real country.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Mefobills
  113. antibeast says:
    @Quartermaster

    Rome ceased to exist after its fall while the Byzantium disappeared after the Osman Turks conquered Constantinople. The world was indeed ruled by powerful Empires based in Eurasia for most of recorded human history.

  114. Seraphim says:
    @Mefobills

    Gilpin or no Gilpin, it is worth remembering that 1851 saw the first project of developing the Siberian railways with the view to strengthen the relations with China and Central Asia. It was the completion of the Transsiberian and Chinese Eastern Railways (built by the Russians) that alarmed the Anglo world more than the Berlin-Baghdad Railway. It is not a coincidence that Mackinder devised his theory in 1904, just two years after the completion of the Chinese Eastern Railway (1902), and the Japanese attacked Russia the same year.

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  115. Franz says:
    @Alfred

    I wonder which Biden will attend?

    If they’d a been serious about wanting a “Biden presidency” they’d have gone animatronic as far back as his VP days. I mean full animatronic, like the movie where Tom Cruise is a vampire and when he gets his throat cut, he starts to shrivel as the blood pours out because it wasn’t Tom, it was a radio controlled robot.

    I’m sure that with advanced Chinese technology they could make Biden look more realistic now than bleeding Tom back when? Early 90s I think.

  116. Pepe Escobar is a gem. The Unz Review’s tagline, description or slogan being, “A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media,” no Unz Review writer delivers the slogan better than Escobar does.

    I do not know how much Escobar is right about, but he is always interesting, and his articles invariably brim with surprising, well-sourced facts. Bravo.

  117. @alwayswrite

    A country cannot be a world power if it is not an industrial power, if it does not have an industrial economy. If the US thinks it can maintain its role as global hegemon on the strength of its financial sector and ‘knowledge economy’ it’s in for a rude awakening.

  118. FB says: • Website
    @Ghali

    You obviously never been to Russia.

    Most recently, I lived in Irkutsk for nearly a year, working as a flight test engineering consultant on the MC21 project.

    Before that I lived in Samara and did similar work for RSC Energia, the aerospace and rocket engine concern.

    In between, I have spent leisure time in Sochi and Gelendzhik on the Black Sea ‘Riviera.

    Have also been to Novosibirsk, Kazan, Rostov, Krasnoyarsk, Volgograd [formerly Stalingrad]. Ufa, Chelyabinsk and Yekaterinburg.

    I have been several times and saw it firsthand.

    I call bullshit.

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  119. vox4non says:
    @alwayswrite

    “America is calling all the shots,China has to take Taiwan,they have no choice,it’s part of their deranged communist Chinese DNA,just like Putin had to take Crimea!”

    LOL. Talking about grand strategy, and you came up with this puerile rambling. Pray tell your experience in strategy in either the military or even the commercial domain.

    China doesn’t have to fire a single shot if they have the patience to wait them out. In case you didn’t read, their key military thinker Sun Zi, advocates victory without fighting which means subsuming Taiwan through its economy and subsequently its political and social framework.

    It’s representative of the jingoistic mindset that military means are the be all and end all. When the only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail to pound on. How did that work out in the Middle East for the USA?

    Economy wise – China exports makes up 17.7 per cent of its GDP (2020). Out of this 17.7 per cent, only 17.5 per cent goes to the USA, which means that only 3.1 per cent of its GDP is dependent on the USA.

    The top goods exported from China to the U.S. and their total values for 2018 were electrical machinery ($152 billion), machinery ($117 billion), furniture and bedding ($35 billion), toys and sports equipment ($27 billion), and plastics ($19 billion). Hardly the “crap sold in Wal-Mart”

    For the lines of communication and trade, as others have pointed out, the BRI will counter that and unless the USA intends to fight the whole of Eurasia on that, I don’t see how it can be negated.

    The USA armed forces has never had to fight a near peer since WWII. The experience that they have gained since then has been fighting significantly weaker opponents or guerrilla forces. The navy that you tout never had to fight anything larger than a corvette. In addition, the air force had latitude to operate in an unchallenged environment. I wonder how they will fare against a force with specific area denial capabilities.

    All in all, I suppose for someone who has information from decades ago and probably made up his mind since then, you are probably like one of those WWI generals who thought tanks were simply toys.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  120. antibeast says:
    @alwayswrite

    Those cities got rebuilt because of America, and they absolutely know, the Japanese that is, where their best interests are best served, hint it’s not China.

    Below is a video of Abe showing Putin the new auto manufacturing plant of Mazda in Vladivostok:

    You’ve been trashing Russia in all your posts but the Japanese know their future lies with Eurasia consisting of Russia, China plus the EAEU, SCO, BRI, AIIB, RCEP, etc. The Germans likewise know that their future lies with Eurasia as they have bet the farm on the Nord Stream II pipeline which is close to completion.

    You can’t be too sure about the future of the USA Empire as proven by the fact that its closest EU allies France, Germany and Spain have decided to ditch the US-made F-35 in order to build their own fifth-generation fighter jet. The US Deep State is desperate enough to keep US military bases in Germany that the US Congress passed a law requiring Congressional approval in order to rescind Trump’s order to withdraw US troops from Germany.

  121. antibeast says:
    @Seraphim

    It is not a coincidence that Mackinder devised his theory in 1904, just two years after the completion of the Chinese Eastern Railway (1902), and the Japanese attacked Russia the same year.

    Guess who built the Japanese Navy and funded the Russo-Japanese War which saw the Japanese Navy defeat the Russian Navy? The British.

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  122. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    There are lots and lots of things we know very inadequately in many many fields of important science.

    That is also one of our civilizational delusions, practically a religion for the stupid and ignorant—thinking we know more than we do. And it is a doozy, especially in the ridiculous west.

    It is pretty easy to say, “I don’t know.” Your right, we don’t know.

    With regards to catastrophic global warning, the sovereign money solution would be to direct/channel state credit into solutions.

    For example, industrial scale building of solar panels, research and development into grid scale batteries (e.g. liquid metal), rebuilding the housing stock so it is highly insulated – maybe with 3D printing to speed up the process.

    In other words, transferring stored hydrocarbons from the past, and then putting them into the atmosphere today is probably foolish. Also, with increased standard of living in the third world, that means the transfer of hydrocarbons from the earth into the atmosphere will only accelerate.

    But, equally foolish is clinging to the “finance capitalism” invented by our (((friends))) in the period between 1492 and 1694.

    In other words, sane and easy to implement solutions are off the table, because they are not derived from the free market.

  123. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    But they are also doing the concomitant crucial things, like massive state nurturing of higher education, health care and all the crucial aspects of SOCIAL well-being, without which you cannot have a real country or any kind of national strength.

    None of those things were ever really a priority for the US, which relied mostly on table scraps ‘trickling down’ from its oligarchy to the masses of ordinary folks who ARE the real country.

    Your wrong on this: The very beginning of the U.S. was industrial capitalist, with ‘state credit’ flowing into industry and the commons.

    Those things WERE A PRIORITY of the U.S., which DID NOT want table scraps trickling down from its Oligarchy. The Revolutionary War was fought specifically to prevent the table scrap scenario, to prevent finance oligarchy, and to prevent land enclosure.

    The refusal of King George to allow the colonies to operate an honest money system, which freed the ordinary man from clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the revolution. Benjamin Franklin

    Public Health, building of canals, tariffs to allow industry to develop, etc. were all codified in the first few decades after the Revolution.

    https://constitution.org/2-Authors/ah/rpt_manufactures.pdf

    Hamilton’s first report on manufacturers discusses how much “American credit” is flowing in each industrial sector.

    This was definitely not “finance capitalism” or the colonial economy of England.

  124. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    China began to rise decades before Scumbag Deng.

    Deng converted the economy from “demand capital” to a mixed economy.

    The mixed economy was industrial capitalism, where state banks injected state capital into inelastic sectors and the commons.

    Deng also went on a campaign to install small banks and other financial services throughout the country, as they determined that the Soviet Gosbank model was a failure.

    It was among the first nations to orbit a satellite, in 1970 [before Britain], and had its own nuclear weapons by 1964.

    So what? A command economy in Soviet Union did the same. A soviet style command economy cannot deliver a high standard of living.

    What the communist enterprise did do was preserve nationalism, since “international” communism funded by international capital morphed into national communism during and after WW2.

    There is no brotherhood of the proletariat.

    Thank you national communism for preserving nationalistic Eastern European Civilizations.

    • Replies: @FB
  125. Seraphim says:
    @alwayswrite

    Always write, but never right. ‘Indo-Pacific the real only show in town’! Hardly heard anything more laughable. Who, Australia?

  126. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    You know you’re in for a treat when someone says “grand strategy” and “you know like semiconductor stuff” in the same post. Speaks volumes about IQ and approximate age, less about strategy itself.
    Some problems with your “reasoning”:
    1) you’re assuming we are not in the age of the hypersonic missile. How would the US “blockade” trade routes? By sending carrier groups, which will be touching the bottom of the ocean faster than I can type this post when in range of those missiles… which are intercontinental. Sure, there are systems designed to shoot down incoming missiles, like Patriot on land or Aegis. Both are complete failures as they can at best manage to shoot down a missile if they know its trajectory, weight and type. Plus, they use much slower missiles, which renders them effectively useless. Is the US capable of firing hypersonic missiles? Maybe, we don’t know yet officially, but they are way behind Russia (and so China, as they are allies), and it doesn’t change the fact that current fleets are a thing of the past.
    2) so assuming fleet engagements do not matter, what would be the move? Send troops to Taiwan? No time, they will be sunk on approach as China will already control the island by that time. Blockade Europe so they don’t trade with China? I hate to break it to you, limey, but Europeans want to trade with China BADLY. Uncle Sam isn’t the commerce utopia it was before and they need resources, which China can provide for cheaper. Not to mention the huge consumer market that makes the US pale in comparison. No, at best there are going to be many revolts in Europe while this is happening, and the US won’t be able to stop trade unless they send forces to the Russian border. Guess what happens next? War with China AND Russia. Guess who can’t protect the European peninsula from Russian tanks? NATO 🙂
    3) please don’t talk about combat experience when mentioning the US, at most what they have is bombing the hell out of small crappy countries with air sorties while sitting in their tin cans they call ships. In Afghanistan NATO troops won’t do shit unless there’s air cover.

    I’m not sure if you’re fapping to this Ameriporn, but I really hope it’s worth it 😉

  127. Yee says:

    The_seventh_shape,

    “A country cannot be a world power if it is not an industrial power, if it does not have an industrial economy.”

    True. That’s why the claim that “Indo- Pacific thats the real and only show in town” is laughable.

    However, the US is still the industrial power house, with the 2nd highest industrial output in the world.

    Industrial power highly concentrate in 3 regions in the world – North America, West Europe, East Asia. Nothing to do with India or “Indo- Pacific”…

    It makes sense that the US does not want any sort of intergration in Eurasia.

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  128. Seraphim says:
    @antibeast

    Do you forget Jacob Schiff? Most people do not know that Jacob Schiff was a ‘railway tycoon’ and wanted to have a big slice of the ‘South Manchuria Railroad’, besides his pathological hatred of Russia. But eventually the Japanese would have none of it and promptly regulated their problems with Russia.

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  129. @Lemming

    China just commenced using a wind tunnel capable of Mach 20 speeds. The Yanks are so fucked, but they keep watching Transformers movies thinking that they are documentaries.

    • LOL: FB, Jazman
  130. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The evidence of the last 200 hundred years is total superiority of the best economic model

    Hint,it didn’t come from Russia or China,wink,wink

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  131. Alfred says:
    @Mefobills

    There was probably some beautification surgery.

    In general, I agree with you. However, I never heard of anyone with natural earlobes wanting to become more like a Martian. Lots of women with attached earlobes wear earrings to hide this feature.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  132. Alfred says:
    @Tom Marvolo Riddle

    I’ve been told that in the 1980’s people were convinced Japan was going to become a rival superpower to the US because of how darn fast they were growing.

    When I studied business at Imperial College in 1972/73, we had a visiting (((American professor))) who had spent a couple of years in Japan before coming to London. He told us that the rate of expansion of Japanese steel mills was such that they would soon be rubbing out all competition.

    That goes to show that one should never listen to professors of economics. They extrapolate from the past into the future. But everything is cyclical. Of course, they hate the economic cycle and consistently make it worse.

    Attempts by these smart idiots to manipulate currencies had a disastrous effect on Japan.

    Louvre Accord v Plaza Accord

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  133. @Mefobills

    No amount of ‘ land power’ will compensate for the loss of maritime trade from China if they start a war

    Besides those goods going overland to the EU would be under a total trade embargo as a war in the Pacific would have implications for the European economy

    Basically china is boxed in,don’t forget the BRI is mostly maritime and China certainly doesn’t own the high seas,its actually highly vulnerable and no amount of hypersonic stuff can change geography and China’s location

    The Quad+ is forming up and that reality will contain any meaningful naval strategy of China within a geo strategic and economic context,if they’re stupid enough to try something they’ll end up defeated

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    , @Marshal Marlow
  134. Biff says:
    @Yee

    However, the US is still the industrial power house, with the 2nd highest industrial output in the world.

    In name only. The product may be labeled Whirlpool, Electrolux, General Electric, Manitowoc, but inside it is stamped – Made in China/Mexico/South Korea etc.

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  135. Alfred says:
    @alwayswrite

    Putin’s Russia never was a democracy, now its just a fascist corporate regime, and it will in time collapse

    Funny how popular Putin is in Russia according to polls run by American companies. If he had not increased the retirement age, he would be a lot more popular. He increased the retirement age because Russians are much healthier and live longer. An example of perverse behaviour by the voting public. In the West, all politicians know that the pension and social security systems are broke – but they keep on promising what they know will not be delivered.

    Why do you keep on repeating lies? Tell of of a single leader in the West with a 65% approval rating.

  136. @Alfred

    You have to approve of Putin otherwise you’ll end up in prison

    Besides Hitler had massive approval,didn’t stop Berlin getting reduced to smoking ruin though did it!

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  137. @Lemming

    Do hypersonic work under water?

    You know there’s this thing called a submarine,it can play serious havoc with merchant shipping

    Now imagine all those Chinese container ships plodding along,what a big fat target they’d make

    Oh,and America could wait for them well outside of any area’s the Chinese could defend

    I certainly don’t think going through the Suez canal would be advisable do you?

    Nope,you’re get sunk before you’d reach the gulf of Aden

    Perhaps you could go the looooooong way around?

    Or maybe that new swanky northern sea route?

    But why bother,because if China pulls a stunt the EU would hit china with massive sanctions,so basically no trade for naughty Chinese,then lets see how long the CCP lasts,and i don’t think the Russians would want to get involved,Putin has hinted he’d like to see China and America go at it,trouble is it wouldn’t just be china and America,as i’ll explain below

    Maybe this is just an American ninja move to get china screwed over,you know a 21st century pearl harbour kind of move? who knows

    However it does have a certain logic to get everyone back on board again,no pun intended!

    Anyways we all know what happened to Japan after pearl harbour don’t we,wink,wink 😁

    Oh,i forgot to mention,the QUAD, you didn’t know about the QUAD?

    Well basically its the navies of India,America,Japan and Australia,a kind of Indo – Pacific NATO, well India have some BIG bad missiles,BrahMos mach 3,you know the ones,well India are developing Brahmos 11 hypersonic,apparently it’ll be the fastest in the world!

    And it gets better,as Germany,France,and the Netherlands are also keen to join in the fun

    Basically they’ve all committed to joint naval exercises,and have already demonstrated their ability to do so

    In fact the EU want to also spread their tentacles into the region,you know all that boring rules based stuff

    Who else is interested? South Korea,even Vietnam,who’d of thunk it,Vietnam joining in with America,just goes to show how much people distrust the vile Chinese doesn’t it

    So America has got itself some very nice and tasty friends,tooled- up with top stuff like BrahMos,no wonder the silly Chinese are getting hysterical,they should concede now before they get a good slapping

    So basically China won’t go sinking anything otherwise they’ll be the ones who go down,like i said before,the odds are stacking up against China and no amount of kool aid magical BRI bs thinking can change the current trends,all of which are moving away from China and Russia,see i nearly forgot about Russia,basically because they’re irrelevant

    Have a nice day!

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  138. Mefobills says:
    @Alfred

    Doesn’t matter what women want.

    His ears are 90% or more the same. He did some sort of attachment surgery for some reason.

    It is still Biden. Who knows what runs through his pea brain? Maybe he thinks it looks better.

  139. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    That’s some pretty good weed you must be a smokin.

    I guess the 100,000 plus troops that Russia massed quickly on the border near Ukraine was a nothingburger?

    The Quad+ is forming up and that reality will contain any meaningful naval strategy of China within a geo strategic and economic context,if they’re stupid enough to try something they’ll end up defeated

    LoL.

    I guess long supply lines and massing troops with Troop carrying ships and air power could have been an effective counter by Nato and the west to Russia’s rapid troop buildup.

    The some goes for China, they can amass quickly near their border, and they will be bristling with weapons, and a rapid recovery supply chain.

    Land Power and A2AD is now effective as the Russian Troop Buildup, which was practically overnight, has now shown.

    American naval projection also shits its pants every time it enters the Black Sea. PAY ATTENTION!

    With regards to China’s A2AD, it is covering all of the small water jumps on the Belt and Road routes. China doesn’t need blue water movement of goods, they can live happy as a clam just getting resources from Russia and Africa.

    Blue water naval projection is over. Atlantacism is finished. You just didn’t get the memo. Finance capitalism and the Jewish world order is on its last legs. I would say it will be gone within a 100 years or less.

    People that are demoralized have a hard time accepting observable reality.

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @alwayswrite
  140. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    But then Putin Russia never was a democracy,now its just a fascist corporate regime,and it will in time collapse

    Russia is a illiberal democracy.

    Fascism is where the government is over corporations. So far, Russia has not fully reigned in the Russian Central Bank, which is corporate and still adheres to some of the BIS rules.

    Russia is an illiberal democracy, it is not fascist, and it includes theocracy elements, especially with the symphony of church and state.

    People that don’t even know what fascism is, should not be listened to.

    Russia would be better off – if it was Fascist.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
  141. @Mefobills

    Hundred years?
    I do not know if you are too generous, or you are too cautious.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  142. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    you still don’t get it, do you?
    I’ll make it simple: China doesn’t need access to water to trade, they have the world island for that and their extensive network of trains. USA and the commonwealth bar India, however, all need access to water in order to trade with most of the world. In that sense, China just has to sit on its ass and shoot down enemy merchant ships. As for “submarines”, there’s no real submarine able to avoid detection nowadays, and even if that happened it still wouldn’t be relevant, because China doesn’t need to focus on naval power.

    “because if China pulls a stunt the EU would hit china with massive sanctions,so basically no trade for naughty Chinese”
    — ahahahahaha. No really. The EU couldn’t hit itself if it tried, let alone massive sanctions on the best and biggest consumer market out there. Not to mention EU countries have mostly de-industrialized their economies, except for Germany. France is only a shadow of the industrial powerhouse it was in the 50s, close to a revolution of its own, Italy is already a bloated floating corpse waiting to implode from too much gas, Britain is basically the Wall Street of Europe with nothing else to show for (its useless Home Fleet included). How do you think EU citizens would react to a sudden lack of every consumer item, long lines at every store, no jobs and a political class in disarray? because that’s day one of a war between EU and China.

    “Oh,i forgot to mention,the QUAD, you didn’t know about the QUAD?”
    — nothingburger. It’ll get broken apart as fast as BRICS when India realizes it’ll get nothing of value from the US, and is already incapable of guarding its own land border against Pakistan, which has a big army but very outdated. Let them try keeping Jammu and Ladakh from another nuclear power with the “upcoming hypersonic” BrahMos when Russia already has a generational advance in that field. I’m not even discussing Japan and Australia, as both are completely sea-dependent, their main shipping lines are close to chinese missiles and neither of them have an army to speak of.

    “Who else is interested? South Korea,even Vietnam,who’d of thunk it,Vietnam joining in with America,just goes to show how much people distrust the vile Chinese doesn’t it”
    — Don’t know what’s your medication, but it’s powerful if it makes you think little Communist Vietnam would rise to fight their ideological brethrens up north on account of the United States (oh, the irony). According to Wikipedia: “Vietnam’s exports [are] the United States (18.8%), Japan (13.2%), China (10.3%), Australia (6.9%), Singapore (5.2%), Germany (4.0%), and the United Kingdom (3.8%).[35]”. In case of a war against China, they can kiss their US, Japan, China, Australia, and UK exports goodbye. In case of a war against the US, they can kiss their US, Japan, Australia, UK and Germany goodbye. In case of a neutral stance, they might be sanctioned by Americastan or something of the sort, but nothing comes close to what engaging in a war would do to their economy.
    South Korea, as a US autonomous colony, woud probably have no choice but invade, but cut from every support line from Japan or the US it would resist a bit but soon fall to the DPRK with support from PLA, who would probably be delighted in taking revenge for the carpet bombing the US did in the 50s on the remaining US bases.

    “And it gets better,as Germany,France,and the Netherlands are also keen to join in the fun”

    — Germany, France and Netherlands will be far too busy dealing with Russia on their own borders.

    “So basically China won’t go sinking anything otherwise they’ll be the ones who go down”

    — They don’t need to. They are the ones with the good thing going, the US needs that war desperately to keep its own corrupt area of influence intact. We all know how it goes: every time an empire goes down, it needs to provoke wars against upstarts challenging them, which always precipitate their fall. Examples? Crumbling France against upstart Germany, crumbling Spain against upstart England, crumbling Rome against upstart Goths and Franks, crumbling Eastern Rome against upstart Seljuks.

    Nice day to you too and stay sober

  143. @Mefobills

    Can you please explain how you get from Africa to China?

    Those hundred thousand troops you’re talking about are a bunch of half trained conscripts,plus a few contract soldiers they can’t defend all of Russia,impossible,as for the Black sea,who cares if Putin wants to sail his tin pot navy around in z little pond,its totally irrelevant in the context of my points

    Chinese A2Ad are like Russian vastly overrated,and would be degraded in a war,as the the Russian ones have been in Syria,plus don’t forget the silly Russians have sold them to Quad member India,S400, i believe so I’ve no doubt America has now plenty of knowledge how they work!

    So yup,a big nothing burger,you seriously need to stop reading trash by arm chair idiots

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @antibeast
  144. Alfred says:
    @alwayswrite

    Besides Hitler had massive approval

    Hitler only got 33% of the vote the last time Germans were allowed to vote in free elections in 1933.

    I think Biden has more similarity to Hitler when it comes to stealing elections. Putin is extremely popular – not only in Russia.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  145. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    This is funny because Americastan and its many vassals don’t follow this economic model anymore, wink wink nudge nudge.

    Not to mention this economic model could only be sustained through constant agression and quadratic resource consumption, so it’s par for the course if it’s crashing now. Guess what economic model will work in the future, and which has been the superior model for the last 2000 years? national mercantilism … which is what China is doing and the US is not.

  146. @Lemming

    Hahaha,trains, i love it 😂😂😂 priceless

    Talk about amateurs hahaha hahaha, trains,gulp are they armoured? Do they come with wizbangs?

    World island,whaaaazat???? does it float?

    But seriously,and i know you don’t or won’t like this,but there ain’t gonna be no war,because China knows they’d loose,simples

  147. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    Can you please explain how you get from Africa to China?

    Africa is the smallest variable. The big one is Russia, and China can source energy and raw materials from Russia across a land border, and there is no way to interdict it. No way.

    I guess you also haven’t noticed that NordStream pipeline deal was OK’d by Germany?

    See map below. It is only small jumps across water, ergo you only need a littoral navy. Atlantacism is dead, despite your fantasies. Africa ties into the belt and road via small jump nodes.

    The only long journey is to south america, and that COULD BE INTERDICTED by a blue water navy. So what? South America can be lost and no big deal.

    If those littoral nodes fail, there is air freight, and China plans on building thousands of large C-5 style aircraft. Anybody that thinks China doesn’t have industrial capability to build aircraft, or even a blue water navy if they wanted to, is whistling past the graveyard.

    And your claims about Russian troops being some sort of untrained idiots, or weaklings is just you projecting. Their physical fitness has gone up some 30% since Russia has outlawed GMO foods.

    All of this has already been war-gamed by America’s war planners, and they get their ass handed to them in the war games.

    The only way China loses is if Russia is undermined, and those undermining attempts are on-going by globo-homo; for example the latest coup attempt in Belarus.

  148. Mefobills says:
    @Zarathustra

    Your right. Hundred years is probably too generous on my part.

    It could fail quickly, maybe even in the next 15 years.

  149. Mefobills says:

    Hahaha,trains, i love it 😂😂😂 priceless

    Ha Ha Ha. Electric submarines using Lithium Ion batteries, that are quieter than the surrounding ocean.

    You have to listen for the absence of sound to find them.

    Many hundreds of electric submarines in the littoral areas, especially in the south china sea. Many hundreds of cheap to build, small, stealthy and deadly submarines that you are ignoring to build up your fantasy.

    Also, the blue water regions can be seeded with drones to harass shipping. Oh, there will be no intelligent drones plying the deep water regions? Keep dreaming.

    How are you going to harass trains that are shielded behind a wall of A2AD? They don’t need to be armored, that is you with yet another logical fallacy.

  150. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    [China] was among the first nations to orbit a satellite, in 1970 [before Britain], and had its own nuclear weapons by 1964.

    So what?

    So what?

    Wow! Just where do you think China would be today without its ICBMs?

    I’ll tell you where, because you seem utterly clueless about major facts of geopolitical life. The South China Sea would today be a US lake [as it was before those ICBMs came along], and its province and US puppet Taiwan would have long ago been independent, and probably still holding China’s UN Security Council seat [which it did until 1971].

    China would today be nothing more than a castrated servant like Japan. Btw, for those who wonder what happened to Japan all you need to do is familiarize yourself with the Plaza Accord, by which Japan the eunuch [along with the other empire eunuchs] agreed to rejig the rules to continue subservience to the empire in a rapidly changing global economic setting.

    Those ICBMs are the DIRECT RESULT of that early aerospace and nuclear industry buildup by Mao—and absolutely nothing to do with having an iphone factory in China.

    Besides these obvious and very large factors, there are hugely important factors associated with having these two powerful industries—such as developing the country’s intellectual power, since these are the most scientifically challenging domains that require not only huge industry, but huge academic and scientific infrastructure.

    These two industries are what set apart the small club of the world’s most powerful nations—it’s as simple as that.

    Along with that is the question of national prestige, which is a hugely important factor in soft power and how the country is perceived in the world. Today China is the only country with its OWN space station in orbit [still under construction]. China also right now has a rover on mars, the Zhurong.

    A soviet style command economy cannot deliver a high standard of living.

    And you know that how? Because you experienced the Soviet standard of living first-hand, and can now contrast and compare?

    No? Well I did.

    I lived in East Germany in the 1980s, and attended die Technische Universität Dresden. People standard of living was just fine—in fact much better in many important ways than in the debt-slave west.

    The Soviet-style economy was hugely successful during the three Stalin decades. Russia was a very backward country before the revolution, with low rates of literacy and many millions of landless peasantry. The Stalin industrialization and urbanization transformed people’s lives—along with a huge buildup of higher education and healthcare that was universal for all.

    Why did my mother keep the portrait of Stalin? She was a peasant woman. Before collectivization, our family lived well. But at what cost did they get it? Hard work from dawn to dusk. And what were the prospects for her children (she gave birth to eleven children!)? To become peasants, at best, artisans.

    Collectivization began. Destruction of the village. Flight of people to cities. And the result of this? In our family, one person became a professor, another became a plant director, a third became a colonel, and three became engineers. And something similar happened in millions of other families.

    I do not want to use evaluative expressions “bad” and “good” here.

    I just want to say that in this era in the country there was an unprecedented in the history of mankind the rise of many millions of people from the very bottom of society into masters, engineers, teachers, doctors, artists, officers, scientists, writers, directors.

    —Alexander Zinoviev, Russian writer, philosopher and dissident.

    Zinoviev was hardly any kind of party toady. He was a free-thinking sort, who after a meteoric career rise began to run afoul of the ‘truth ministry’ [not unlike our own these days with twitter and facebook etc]. Eventually he was kicked out of the country.

    But his point—and it is a huge one—is that for the first time in history anywhere, ordinary folks could have a real shot at the ladders of upward mobility. To become someone and something. Everything was there just for the asking—the world’s best higher education system where you could come in the front door, penniless, and come out a few years later a doctor or engineer or professor.

    That is still nothing but a technicolor dream for the vast masses of humanity, especially in the US [although even going back say four decades a higher education at one of the state university systems was still accessible to many ordinary families.]

    But the point is that the Soviet economy was very successful when it was competently and honestly run. It was probably a victim of its own success, because by the time of Scumbag Khruschev, already inertia, nepotism and cheating was starting to metastasize throughout the elite ranks and down through the nomenklatura.

    And btw, the prototype of the ‘command’ economy is the Ponzi US, where everything is COMMANDED by the central bank—including the covid lockdowns and resulting economic deflation.

    I do agree though that a mixed economy that does allow for some private business ownership appears to be the Goldilocks ideal. It’s hard to argue with China’s system, which is so successful on so many levels. But an honest state that puts the ordinary folks first in everything is an absolute priority.

    The Soviet economy could have easily been reformed on the Chinese model, had anyone thought of it at the time. Instead they went full in on gangster capitalism and oligarchy, which Putin has been slowly trying to correct. There is still much to do and if he simply copy and pasted China and the CPC, that would be by far his smartest move. [Although unlikely].

    But again, the main problem wasn’t the theoretical economic model, as much as it was the corruption. We saw just how the criminals embedded in that system emerged during the Yeltsin years to take over ownership of every valuable industry in the country. To say the system was full of worms is the understatement of the century.

    The CPC also started heading that way during and after the Scumbag Deng era. Xi has rooted out quite a bit, but there is still more to be done. In any case, you will not find any Khodorkovskys or Romanoviches in the CPC today, just lurking and waiting for their chance.

    That is the key.

    • Agree: Jazman
  151. @Alfred

    Putin maybe still popular in Russia,about 65% approval rating,he’s certainly not amongst most other countries,neither Putin or Russia are viewed favourably, although idiot brain republicans in America seem to like him,but then they voted for Trump!

    but if Russia and Putin’s does badly it’s no way near as bad as China who really are in the toilet as far as their international reputation is concerned

    • Replies: @FB
  152. antibeast says:
    @alwayswrite

    You sound like some kid who can’t wait for your daddy Uncle Sam to give you some candy.

    So what if the USA has the mightiest military in the world? That’s precisely the problems faced by the USA which are caused by its imperial overreach. Like the Soviet Union, the USA is doomed to fail due to the tragic folly of its bankrupt Empire. This is reflected in the cavalier attitude of the US ruling elites towards its own native-born White American citizens who are sick and tired of all the endless wars, unlimited immigration, wholesale outsourcing, identity politics, degenerate culture, moral depravity, sexual perversion, financial indebtedness, gang violence, ghetto riots and violent crime of Pax Americana. Those problems will never be solved if the US ruling elites care more about protecting and promoting their wealth, power and privilege over the welfare of US citizens.

    As someone from the outside looking into the USA, all I see is a troubled country in rapid decline, suffering from political chaos, social anarchy, economic malaise, cultural confusion and above all, financial bankruptcy. The USA looks like a ‘House on Fire’ but Uncle Sam thinks he can throw a party and invite everyone in the neighborhood to his home. Who would want to attend such a party? Only fools who want to get burned.

  153. @Mefobills

    Ah yes,subs

    Well Russia did a deal with our allies in the QUAD India,as they’ve leased them their state of the art attack submarine,that’s Russia for ya,desperate to earn money so they basically arm India with all their best stuff to contain China,brilliant waaaay to go Putin keep it coming,oh and Erdogan will tell America everything about those super s400 missiles,another coup for the west

    You know people once defected from Russia with their latest tech,now Putin basically sells his best most exotic and mysterious stuff to NATO and its allies,wow,you gotta be desperate to do that

    Again though you miss the point,if America and its partners are at war with china none of that stuff is gonna be exported, no trains with export stuff going to the EU simple,slam dunk,china looses

    • LOL: showmethereal
    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @anon
  154. @FB

    I’ve heard it all now 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    What utter rubbish,i honestly can’t be bothered,I’ve obviously wandered into the internet equivalent of the old Bedlam mad house for nutters

    • Replies: @Lemming
  155. @alwayswrite

    Like many accusations in the west some of what you say about forced abortion is distorted or plain lies. I do agree with you that abortion is evil. But you are a hypocrite to condemn supposed forced abortion while glossing over free and open permissive abortion in so called free societies. There were mandated abortions in China but not as much as supposed. Some simply paid the fine (tax) imposed for going over the limit. Others in rural areas where enforcement was lax – just simply never registered the daughters.
    But in any event allowing legal abortion is as evil as a government who wants to slow population growth openly.
    Allowing western women to get abortions because they are a housewife and got impregnated by the tennis or golf instructor and want to hide it is evil. Allowing rich people to send their daughters away to have an abortion because they got impregnated as a teen is evil. Likewise it is evil to allow abortion for a “ghetto girl” or a “trailer park girl” to get a convenient abortion because she has too many partners to figure out who the father is. Likewise it is evil to allow abortion of convenience for the newly empowered “career girl” who gets one because a baby is inconvenient to her career (which sometimes requires sexually seducing higher ups for a promotion). All evil. So dont just point to China… Who incindentally is now promoting families again and raised the child limit again to 3 now.

  156. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    amongst most other countries,neither Putin or Russia are viewed favourably

    You seem incapable of anything other than explosive diarrhea—a serious medical condition, to say the least.

    US seen as bigger threat to democracy than Russia or China, global poll finds—Guardian

    The US faces an uphill task presenting itself as the chief guardian of global democracy, according to a new poll that shows the US is seen around the world as more of a threat to democracy than even Russia and China.

    You are truly the most delusional idiot among the several THOUSAND commenters on this website. Congratulations, that is no mean feat, considering the many truly retarded contenders for the prize.

    Your blabbering here reminds one of those iconic Japs discovered here and there on various deserted islands, decades after the war, still clutching their rifle and refusing to ‘surrender,’ lol.

    Some of them actually blew themselves up rather than believe the cheery news that the war was long over and the Japanese Empire had long since disappeared.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  157. @Showmethereal

    Wow three,how generous of them

  158. Jazman says:
    @FB

    Very interesting first hand experience with Russian aerospace engineering . I have been in Russia before collapse of USSR , during 90 ‘s once and 2018 huge improvement even comparing to Soviet times . Lot of infrastructure improvements and by the time it will be better and better . More and more Serbian people choosing to work in Russia comparing to West , construction is booming . If it is not secret I would like to know your professional road you mention also NASA Ames and Gromov institute.
    If I am not mistaken you are also pilot
    All the best FB

    • Replies: @FB
  159. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    The only kind of economy that has been shown to work is mixed economy.

    Command economies have not shown themselves to work… that is the verdict of history.

    With AI or something like it in future….. maybe.

    Yes, the Soviet economy could have been reformed along the lines of what China did.

    But an honest state that puts the ordinary folks first in everything is an absolute priority.

    National Socialism

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  160. Lemming says:
    @alwayswrite

    Jolly good old chum, at least you gave it a go. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  161. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    Again though you miss the point,if America and its partners are at war with china none of that stuff is gonna be exported, no trains with export stuff going to the EU simple,slam dunk,china looses

    That’s some good crack my demoralized friend. Take another snort.

    Lemming at 143 did a pretty good job of summing up the world situation:

    https://www.unz.com/pescobar/how-st-petersburg-is-mapping-the-eurasian-century/#comment-4705177

    And, your answer was childish in the extreme; world islands that can sink, and armored trains.

    The world is splitting into two trade zones, and it appears as if America wants that. It probably won’t happen, because the Eurasian world island is in Europe’s best interest.

    Russia isn’t desperate to export goods to acquire dollars. That was in the 90’s when it had dollar debts imposed on it. Russia today (get with the program!) doesn’t need to sell anything to India.

    India must quit the Quad. Modi was duped by Atlantacism, where he thinks he can pick up the jobs America off-shored to China.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/strategic-insights/india-must-quit-quad/

    China will move on with high tech manufacturing, taking the increment of production. Shit-hole countries that cannot innovate and manufacture for themselves will be left high and dry.

    (And that now includes America unless it can revitalize its industry.)

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  162. @FB

    Whatever,at least i was on the right side of the wall,obviously you’ve built a far more impenetrable wall in your thick scull judging by the total drivel you’ve written,its always someone else’s fault isn’t it,you know the total collapse of totalitarianism of the Soviet block,its obviously left you mentally traumatised you need to put it behind you,what was it you studied in Dresden? How to be a good little communist Muppet

    You lost, now get over it,let it go,its obviously consuming you with irrational hatred about the west which drives you to make all those stupid excuses for the failed Soviet system,you need therapy,but please don’t get it in Russia i think they had a bad reputation in the Soviet Looney bins for torturing people

  163. @Mefobills

    Does that come with free swastikas and jack boots?

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  164. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Command economy is something like the Battleship fallacy.

    Japan and the U.S. make battleships.

    They send the battleships out into the Pacific, and then sink each other.

    Each country gets to work making new battleships to start the cycle over.

    Each country has full employment making battleships.

    Or, ICBM’s, or ?

    The problem is that other things that give life are not being invented, or created.

    Cost of lost wants. The battleships (or ICBM’s) had a cost in the lost wants. Things soviet citizens wanted were not present. They were satisfied in battleships, but not other things.

    The lost wants in many cases were due to friction and loss due to inefficiency in a top down hierarchy.

    Near as I can tell, China’s hierarchy is more flat now, especially after Deng’s reforms. Local communist cadres poll their local population, and that is the feedback to the center. China is always trying new things, which they call “feeling your way across the river.”

    China is fascist and national socialist – it uses industrial capitalism economy.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @Lemming
    , @FB
  165. Lemming says:
    @Mefobills

    “China is fascist and national socialist – it uses industrial capitalism economy.”

    — China is definitely national socialist. But fascist would mean they would be mostly looking to restore the old ways of the Chinese empire, with a focus on standardizing the nation ethnically and enforcing conservative social roles (like preventing women from owning property, like in Saudi Arabia which ticks most fascist boxes but none of the national socialist ones). They can appear conservative from an american point of view, but they are far from Mussolini who advocated that women stop working altogether to fix the unemployment problem. Not to mention the fact that every self-respecting fascist wants MORE babies, not less. Ethnically, there are Hans everywhere in China, but local minorities are somewhat protected (56 official minorities), Americastan propaganda notwithstanding.

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  166. FB says: • Website
    @Jazman

    Jazman, would be happy to correspond with you about the professional aspects of the industry. Go to my website and leave a message or comment.

    The Russian aerospace industry went into a big contraction post-USSR. The military aviation component continued fairly well, even during the worst years of the 1990s—mainly due to demand for Russian fighter aircraft from India, China and others.

    Many got real sweetheart deals during this time, and China did quite a bit of IP lifting, simply starting to knock off Sukhoi ‘Flankers’ without permission or licensing. [They tried the same with the engines, but are still working on it.]

    In the space industry something similar happened in the post-Soviet meltdown of the 1990s. The Chinese were able to buy their entire manned space program from the Russians in the 1990s—for a song. See the Shenzhou program.

    [MORE]

    In March 1995 a deal was signed to transfer manned spacecraft technology to China, Included in the agreement were training of cosmonauts, provision of Soyuz spacecraft capsules and life support systems, androgynous docking systems, and space suits.

    It doesn’t get any more ‘turn-key’ than that. As a result, the Chinese put their first man in orbit in 2003.

    [MORE]


    Yang Liwei, first taikonaut (People Republic of China national in space), General Major of People’s Liberation Army of China Airforce

    Besides this, the Russians sold the Chinese some advanced rocket engines, the RD120, which uses the Russian-invented ‘staged combustion’ cycle that is now trying to be copied by SpaceX [Raptor engine] and Blue Origin [BE4].

    These advanced engines are the KEY to any modern space program. The engine of a rocket is as key as the engine of a car is to the automobile, or the airplane. It is the beating heart of the whole thing.

    The Chinese then got to work and built their own staged-combustion knockoff of the RD120—that being the YF100 which is now the workhorse of the impressive Chinese space program.

    YF-100K high thrust post-pump gimbal liquid oxygen kerosene engine

    The development required ten years of research, requiring the mastering of 70 key technologies, the development of 50 new materials, and the construction of 61 sets of engines with a combined total of more than 40,000 seconds of ignition time by 2013.

    But the Chinese got it done! And now this engine is the workhorse for all these impressive launches we have seen—space station, moon sample return, mars rover etc.

    The US likewise got in on the ground floor of the post-USSR aerospace fire sale in the 1990s. They got the RD180 engine, which is the current workhorse for Nasa and the National Security Space Launch program, which is now part of the new US Space Force.

    [I detailed already in another thread how this engine is key to all the US mars missions and other key launches for which SpaceX, despite all the media hoopla, is not even a minor player at this point.]

    But despite having a technology transfer from Russia on the TEN key engine technologies, plus a license to build them, the US still to this day has not flown a single staged-cycle, high performance engine [which the Russians invented back in the 1960s]. Both the Raptor and BE4, which is supposed to take over for the RD180, have not yet flown into space.

    So at this point, and starting with the same Russian technology, the Chinese have jumped ahead of the US in engine technology.

    Test firing of the RD180 at the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) Advanced Engine Test Facility, November 1998

    Another key technology transfer to the US was in space station technology. The Russians had the world’s first and only permanent space station Mir going for 15 years and had already built the core modules for the bigger and improved Mir 2.

    That’s when the Soviet collapse happened and the US got a chance to simply buy in. the US had been working, since 1984, on its own version of Mir, the ‘Freedom’ Space Station.

    But it never got past the drawing board stage.

    Between 1984 and 1993 it went through seven major re-designs, losing capacity and capabilities each time.

    Rather than being completed in a decade, as Reagan had predicted, Freedom was never built, and no Shuttle launches were made as part of the program.

    The American ‘space station’ was dead in the water after a decade of work and billions spent.

    …the design was found to be 23% overweight and over budget, too complicated to assemble, and providing little power for its users.

    [Note the wiki article I linked to contains a lot of bullshit. They imply, without citations, that ‘Freedom’ morphed into the module that the US contributed to the ISS, which is not true.]

    What actually happened is that the Russian Mir 2 was ready to go, and the US simply scrapped Freedom and bought their way into Mir 2, and eventually contributed some add-on modules that are completely superfluous to the functioning of the space station.

    The functional core of the ISS is Mir 2, which consists of five segments that together comprise the Russian Orbital Segment, ROS.

    The ROS handles Guidance, Navigation, and Control for the entire Station.


    So there were a lot of goodies in the Soviet toy chest when the country imploded. Both China and the US benefited massively.

    But there is actually a lot more. Today everyone is talking about hypersonic weapons. Well, the Russians today have a wide range of such hypersonic technologies. One such key technology is the scramjet engine that now powers the Zirkon hypersonic cruise missile.

    Now the big deal about a scramjet engine is that it enables flight at very high speeds. A quick primer here: a rocket engine can go much faster than any air-breathing engine like a turbojet or a ramjet or even a scramjet. But a rocket has to be very heavy because it carries its own oxidizer, instead of taking in atmospheric air like the jet types.

    That extra weight makes it impractical as a power source for a cruise-type missile which, unlike a ballistic missile, cruises through the atmosphere and is thus exposed to air drag as it flies along. A ballistic missile is simply heaved up until it passes right through the atmosphere, at which point the engine has burned through all its propellant, and the warhead simply coasts back down at its target [at very high speed of course].

    So if you want a MANEUVERING missile, which is what a cruise missile is, it is impractical to use a rocket engine. You have to use an airbreathing jet engine. The best known cruise missiles, like the US Tomahawk, use a simple turbojet engine just like that found on a passenger jet—only much smaller of course. But they only fly subsonically.

    It is possible for a jet engine to fly supersonically of course, but it can only reach about Mach 2, twice the speed of sound. So not much to be gained.

    A ramjet engine behaves similarly to a a turbojet but can go faster. This is because there is no rotating machinery in the engine—it’s basically just a hollow pipe. But it is shaped very carefully to take advantage of the physics of how air behaves at high speeds. So what happens is the ramming action of the air entering the engine at high speed is used by the internal shaping to slow down the flow and thus raise the pressure. Which is why you don’t need the compressor found on ordinary jet engines.

    But even a ramjet is limited to LESS than hypersonic speeds. To fly at faster than Mach 5, the flow through the engine combustor must be SUPERSONIC—hence the name scramjet, which stands for supersonic combustion ramjet.

    This technology has been incredibly difficult to master, going on 30 years now. But it also promises to revolutionize aeronautics. Imagine if this technology filters down to civil aircraft. flying at M5 you could take off from New York and land in Beijing in TWO HOURS, instead of 12, which is quite a long haul flight for anyone.

    Zirkon is said to reach speeds close to M10. And now here is another program that most people would not be aware of. In the same 1990s decade of Russian humiliation, the country had developed the world’s first scramjet engine prototype—courtesy of another mighty Russian aerospace institution, the Central Institute of Aviation Motors, CIAM.

    Now somehow Nasa convinced CIAM to let them participate in the flight testing of this prototype, named ‘Kholod’ which means ‘cold’ in Russian, at the Sary Shagan flight test facility in Kazakshtan.

    Here is a 1998 Nasa paper that resulted:

    Recent Flight Test Results of the Joint CIAM-NASA Mach 6.5 Scramjet Flight Program

    Under a contract with NASA, a joint Central Institute of Aviation Motors [CIAM] and NASA team recently conducted the fourth flight test of a dual-mode scramjet aboard the CIAM Hypersonic Flying Laboratory,“Kholod.”

    With an aim test Mach 6.5 objective, the successful launch was conducted at the Sary Shagan test range in central Kazakstan on February 12, 1998.

    Now despite this technology transfer, the US has still not been able to master the scramjet engine—just like they have so far been unable to master the advanced, staged-cycle rocket engine [although this is supposedly just around the corner].

    There is in fact more, but I don’t want to make this into a book. But truly the Soviet chest was full of aerospace treasures. This speaks DIRECTLY to the higher education system. You simply cannot make these kinds of HUGE technology breakthroughs without serious commitment by the government to higher education and the kind of MASSIVE institutional infrastructure that entails.

    Private business can never substitute for that. Which is why the US is where it is in these key pinnacle technologies.

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  167. @Mefobills

    Hey i liked you’re link to that Indian newspaper,unfortunately the readers didn’t,they called it out as pro Chinese BS and they are absolutely right

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @anon
  168. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    Indians are in denial. Demoralized people cannot accept reality, and instead make excuses.

    China will be in space and colonizing the galaxy, while Indians will be on earth naval gazing.

    Unfortunately, NSDAP Germany was murdered in the crib, otherwise Germans would have long ago begun exploring the galaxy.

    Industrial capitalism (which is the economy type of China) produces enough economic surplus for big national projects, while finance capitalism creates an over-lord finance oligarchy, which siphons off economic surplus for their own self aggrandizement.

    Any economy that learns to deal with usury, rents, unearned income, and further – is able to direct its state credit, will always beat out finance capital.

    Keep whistling past the graveyard.

    • Replies: @anon
  169. @alwayswrite

    Not forgetting British engineering in automobiles, generators and oil drilling.

  170. @anon

    It’s great to know some people still think the UK is relevant.

  171. anon[906] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    Indians (Pakistanis) are chronic victims of long term ongoing abuses from the Anglo American spheres .Instead of waking up ,they dug up old memories and fight between them and try to prove how loyal servants they are of the British-American cotton fields .
    In both countries the religions play major roles without the redeeming qualities of the religions. They have their own satrap who occupy upper echelon and push down the hatred and oppression they receive from the British-America to the throats of the unfortunate marginalized majority of the countries .They earn their validities by repeatedly reminding the propagandized majorities how close they are to US or UK and how they are liked by them and needed by them and how they are doing well in USA and UK becoming senator congress-person parliamentary member or google CEO or winner of spelling bee or professor at Harvard or hedge fund manager or how they are facilitating the US imperialism in central Asia or Arab countries.

    The best way to create a leader in India or Pakistan is for US senators visit a politician and CNN cover it glowingly or A Saudi prince express the preference to the military and the religious bodies. They are corrupt to the core . China will not have a problem . Pay them and they will wilt . Their forefathers changed at the dawn of the 18 th century when Mughal lost the power and lost the hegemony . Anglo spheres will lose without a fight in Indian subcontinent . Few yuans here few over there, and the entire subcontinent will be in Chinese pocket.

  172. @Mefobills

    Meanwhile, Britain actually modelled its civil service on the Chinese model. The Chinese were not regardeed with complete contempt in the 19th C.

    • Thanks: showmethereal
  173. Yee says:

    Mefobills,

    “Keep whistling past the graveyard.”

    He’s just a wishful thinking Hindu wishing for his fondest dream… The moment he mentioned Quad you’d know. I’ve never seen anyone except Hindus brag about Quad.

  174. anon[906] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    China has assaulted India justifiably a few times but always in the land not on the water . India thinks S Korea Australia and USA will show up at the Himalayan base or peak to save its ass.

    Much weaker China compared to USA in 1962 but comparatively on same level with India,China pulverized India despite massive USA and Israel supplies and then returned the lands which was decried by Taiwan democratic nationalistic Chinese leaders .

    Lately Modi’s India country has been busy in covering up crimes committed against its own people . Last year it was unleashing Nazi style racial demarcation and working on expelling millions . Taking advantage of Trump ,it was ratcheting up pressure against Pakistan ,China and Nepal while at home it was orchestrating pogrom against the muslims of Delhi .

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  175. @Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Japan was and is a US vassal. The Central Bank in Japan answers to the US and the military does as well. So the US forced Japan to take a poison pill called “Plaza Accords”. That’s why Japan stagnated. Still high living standards… But no growth

  176. @Zarathustra

    Chinese don’t desire to colonize other races… You are confused.

  177. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    China is fascist and national socialist…

    Utter claptrap!

    Why don’t you go ask Xi Jinping if he considers himself a ‘fascist’ or a ‘national socialist’?

    Or any of the 100 million plus members of the communist party of China. They would educate your silly ass very thoroughly.

    You seem to have some quite silly ideas about what those ‘magical’ ideologies of yours were all about. The big business tycoons loved Hitler and the supposed benefits for ordinary workers never really materialized in the end. What they got was grabbed off the farm and put in the army and sent to conquer Russia—a misadventure that cost 10 million German lives and the destruction of the country.

    Hitler’s ‘vision’ was not about building any kind of fair and progressive society, but a ‘glorious reich’ that would conquer Slavic lands and make millions of people slaves, while exterminating millions more.

    Nothing changed in terms of banking or capitalism in Hitler’s Germany—except that it was all put under the rule of one man, a centralization of control run by a madman who ended up putting a slug in his silly head.

    You seem to be capable of talking all kinds of utter stupidity. The Battleship ‘fallacy,’ whatever that nonsense may mean, has nothing to do with the indisputable fact that a major power must be militarily strong, in fact unassailable. Otherwise it ends up trampled, and a servant to others.

    It’s obvious that you have done ZERO reading of serious historical works on modern Chinese history.

    I suggest you start with Prof Dongping Han and this article:

    The Socialist Legacy Underlies the Rise of Today’s China in the World

    If you read nothing else, at least read the last part, Official Corruption in China Today.

    As Deng Xiaoping advocated the policy of allowing a small minority to get rich first, his own children demonstrated by example how the policy would work. They engaged in smuggling Japanese TVs, tape recorders, and watches, and peddling Government-controlled materials such as chemical fertilizers and steel for a high profit.

    All of these would be treated as criminal activities in any other country.

    With Deng Xiaoping’s encouragement and the role model of Deng Xiaoping’s children, Zhao Ziyang’s children, and many other high officials’ children, the Chinese official class, with few exceptions, was engaged in the business of getting rich first and fast in the early 1980s.

    In the 1990s, like in Russia, state-owned enterprises were sold off to corrupt insiders [the Khodorkovskys and Abramoviches of China].

    Under the rule of Jiang Zemin and Zhu Rongji, the Chinese government started an educational reform. People had to pay for primary, middle, and high school education. Those who could not afford the tuition lost their access to education.

    During the socialist era, education was free all the way from primary to college education. During the socialist era, students went to college with free room and board. Upon graduation, college graduates were guaranteed jobs in State-owned enterprises.

    Similar story in health care, which was PRIVATIZED.

    You need to educate yourself about facts regarding China and its history. I also recommend the book, The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village, also by prof Han [who teaches in the US btw, but lived all that history in his small Chinese village].

    • Replies: @Checheno
    , @Mefobills
  178. anon[389] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mefobills

    What’s your opinion on the latest development in China’s financial sector? thanks

    https://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/3134799/goldman-sachs-icbc-form-china-wealth-management-joint

    Goldman Sachs plans to form a wealth management joint venture with state-owned Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC), becoming the latest foreign lender to take advantage of a further opening up of the country’s financial sector to target rising affluence in mainland China.

    Goldman Sachs Asset Management will own 51 percent of the new wealth management joint venture, with the remaining 49 percent to be owned by ICBC Wealth Management Company, a ICBC subsidiary formed in 2019.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  179. @anon

    They should send their Muslims to China then,they treat them very well in China once they’ve sterilized the women and brainwashed the men,truly Orwellian cess pit,China that is,besides India plays cricket so can’t be all bad!

    • Troll: showmethereal
    • Replies: @KA
  180. GeeBee says:
    @Seraphim

    One must never forget Jacob Schiff, nor indeed the real reason for his ‘pathological hatred of Russia’. Schiff was of course head of the bank Kuhn, Loeb & Co., which represented the Rothschilds’ interests on the American side of the Atlantic. As Israeli historian and expert on the history of modern Japan, Rotem Kowner stated, in his Historical Dictionary of the Russo-Japanese War (2006): ‘Schiff’s most famous financial action was during the Russo-Japanese War, in 1904 and 1905. Schiff met Takahashi Korekiyo, deputy governor of the Bank of Japan, in Paris in April 1904. He subsequently extended loans to the Empire of Japan in the amount of $200 million, through Kuhn, Loeb & Co. These loans…provided approximately half the funds needed for Japan’s war effort.’

    The Russo-Japanese war had its roots in Russia’s desire for the Pacific warm-water port of Port Arthur. The mysterious and extremely wealthy ‘Marxist’ industrialist, Alexander Israel Gelfand (often known simply as ‘Parvus’) played a significant role in these endeavours. He had an enormous reputation as a Marxist writer and political thinker at the time, and in the autumn of 1904, Lev Bronstein (better known to fame as ‘Leon Trotsky’) went to stay with Gelfand in Munich. Gelfand, twelve years older than Trotsky, was a Russian Jew, who had lived in Germany since the mid-1890s. The meeting of the two had a profound influence on Trotsky’s thinking which lasted for the rest of his life. As early as 1895 Gelfand had forecast a war between Russia and Japan and foreseen that out of that war would develop the Russian revolution. Soon after the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese war he started a series of articles for Iskraunder with the significant title “War and Revolution”, (later reprinted in his book Rossiia i revoliutsiia, St. Petersburg 1906, page 83) which opened with the prophetic sentence: “The Russo-Japanese war is the blood-red dawn of coming great events.”

    The Japanese victory over Russia was unexpected, and as so often in war, it turned out to be due to money being made available to the victor. Nor should the motive for Schiff’s involvement be forgotten: it was in the Zionist interest to weaken Russia in advance of their carefully engineered revolutions, whose purpose, in turn, was the removal of the ‘troublesome and obstructive’ Romanov dynasty (putting it from the Zionists’ perspective). The real prize of course was Russia itself, whose hitherto untouchable wealth the Jewish ‘Money Power’ had longed to hold within its oleaginous grasp, but was ever prevented from doing so. As Arnold Leese stated in his Gentile Folly: The Rothschilds (1940):

    Russia was always the Jews’ most hated enemy, being the only country in Europe which steadfastly defended its interests against Jewish penetration by refusing to recognise Jews as Russians and compelling them to live and remain in particular localities known as the Pale of Settlement. It was always therefore the Jews’ policy to impress upon Britain that Russia must never get an outlet into the Mediterranean and also that she was a constant danger to India. The probability is that if Russia had been able to take over Turkey, she would have gradually come under the influence of Western Civilisation by constant contact instead of following, as she eventually did, an Eastern Bolshevism. This contact the Jews have prevented. The Crimean War was a very definite step in the direction of isolating Russia from the rest of Europe.

    This loan from Schiff had major consequences and attracted worldwide attention. It without doubt enabled Japan’s victory, thanks in large part to the purchase of munitions which it made possible. Indeed, there were those within the Japanese leadership who took this as evidence of the power of Jews all around the world, of their loyalty to one another, and as proof of the truth of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. At all events, Japan awarded Schiff the Order of the Sacred Treasure in 1905, and the Order of the Rising Sun (Gold and Silver Star – the second highest of the eight classes of that Order) in 1907. Indeed, Schiff was the first foreigner to receive the Order in person from Emperor Meiji in the Imperial Palace.

    The loan, and the Japanese victory it had enabled, would continue to ramify for twelve years. Until, in fact, Zionist ambitions were complete. Russian soldiers returning from the lost Russo-Japanese war made useful “revolutionaries” in the1905 abortive revolution (Schiff had even arranged for 50,000 of them to be re-educated through Marxist reading materials), as did a large number of incarcerated criminals released by the Tsar in January 1905, under a mass amnesty.

    Undaunted by the failure of this first attempt to get rid of the Romanovs, in 1916, Gelfand suggested that the German government should finance Lenin and his Party still more intensively. They would be able to make a separate peace with Germany if they reached power in Petrograd. It was also clear to the Germans that the Bolsheviks would be able to efficiently weaken Russia. The Kaiser’s Zionist adviser Walter Rathenau (1867-1922), a rich industrialist, also recommended financing the Bolsheviks. Germany’s ambassador in Copenhagen, Count Ulrich von Brockdorff-Rantzau, who was a well-known 33rd degree freemason and Illuminatus, was of the same opinion. (Nesta Webster and Kurt Kerlen, Boche and Bolshevik, New York, 1923, pp. 33-34.)

    Late in the Great War, when the time was judged to be ripe, various Jewish agents or agitators were similarly financed and facilitated, to the end of orchestrating revolution and removing the Romanov dynasty from the Russian throne. Of these ‘Trotsky’, Apfelbaum (‘Zinoviev’) and Ulyanov (‘Lenin’) are perhaps best known. Whatever the true extent of Jewish influence on promoting the Great War, it is clear that those same people achieved their aim of gaining control of Russia during the October revolution of 1917 (the February revolution just eight months earlier had seen Jews accepted into Russian public life, but of course that was not what they wanted at all: mere acceptance was nothing compared to total control.)

    It is through these things that we may get a glimpse of something well hidden, but which provides the key to understanding what might very well appear to be the darkest secret of modern times. Certainly it lies at the heart of many a puzzle. George Lincoln Rockwell was just one who wrote of his incredulity, when he first discovered that the Russian Revolution was inextricably linked to Jews and the Globalist power structure of capitalism. Once the veil of deliberate obfuscation is swept away, however, and the subterranean financial undercurrents are discerned, the thing becomes instantly credible. Jacob Schiff is then revealed as being an important player, but who is none the less merely the tip of the metaphorical iceberg.

    • Thanks: Mefobills, Arthur MacBride
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  181. @Showmethereal

    Abortion is a women’s decision. It ought to be avoided with good, freely available, contraception, and health counselling. We ought to aim for as few as possible. Banning it is as pointless as banning drugs, and just causes more suffering, even death, for really existing women, not blobs of protoplasm or even possible, future, human beings.

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  182. Checheno says:
    @FB

    It’s hilarious that you say companies loved Hitler. Let’s make things clear. If the communists were financed by banks and large international companies, the Nazis were supported by the nationalist oligarchy, and not always.
    Soviet functionaries in the 1920s admired Ford, Taylor and Rockefeller as great heroes alongside Marx, Engels and Lenin. Soviet intelligence was supported by American and British intelligence. The American ambassadors to the USSR appointed by the FDR administration were Wall Street bigwigs such as Laurence A. Steinhardt’s uncle Samuel Untermyer who was also a former Vice President of the American Jewish Congress and a renowned Zionist who founded the “Non-Sectarian Anti -Nazi League “to promote an economic boycott of Nazi Germany. Untermyer’s contact at the White House was Joseph E. Davies who warned Presidential aide Harry Hopkins that the administration’s inaction could force Stalin to sign a separate peace with Hitler. For this reason, the Soviets had to count on American support, both material and psychological, and he advised that the best way to provide those guarantees was through personal contacts at the highest level.
    https://sci-hub.se/10.1111/j.1467-7709.1980.tb00336.x
    https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/comparative-studies-in-society-and-history/article/abs/amerikanizm-and-the-economic-development-of-russia/0FFF4D991D98F2A290DF7DE3A3FD17EA

  183. Anonymous[212] • Disclaimer says:
    @alwayswrite

    Lol sounds like FB took you to the woodshed and exposed your non-sense for the bullshit it is, more should do the same, and it wouldn’t be long before you tucked your tail and ran..

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  184. Soviet functionaries didn’t just admire Ford they got Americans over to the Soviet Union to teach them how build factories and train literally thousands of Soviet engineers,interestingly the American engineers didn’t like the Soviet Union much as they thought it wasn’t very free!!!!!

    Professor Anthony. C Sutton made the claim that the Soviet Union basically had no defence industry because most of it had been supplied by America and its allies,such as Rol- Royce jet engine without which the MIG 15 wouldn’t have flown

    The trouble with Sutton is people always get fixated about his other work,Wall Sreet and Hitler, but seem to have complete amnesia when it comes to Suttons 3 volumes on Soviet technology,strane that!

    Of course mad commies always denied this about how American capitalist bourgeois technological superiority, but then that what else could one expect in an Orwellian totalitarian propaganda system

    Currently Russian aerospace projects are limited by sanctions,you know the ones apparently that don’t bother Russia,well they do bother Russia as they can’t supply their own stuff and that has hampered their abilities to launch satellites,and thats according to Mr Rogozin, who’s in charge of space tech

    maybe he’s just talking defeatist nonsense,who knows,after all we’re talking about Russia and they cheat and lie about everything,basically thats what happens when you’ve been conditioned by decades of insane totalitarianism

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  185. Jazman says:
    @FB

    Thank you very much for very detailed answer , amazing I learned from you and Adnrei so much like credible information and truth . I will contact you on your site
    All the best

  186. @Anonymous

    fOh i don’t think so 😉

    He’s terrified of me thats why he tries to embarrass me with childish challenges

    Besides what does FB stand for? Failed Bolshevik

    You see he thinks you just apply lots of engineering at society,built wizbangs and generally when stuff goes wrong as it did in Russia,really badly wrong,from about 1900 onwards,well you just basically kill everyone,start wars,commit genocide,cheat,lie,kill more innocents,and finally as a country fail,oh,then basically you scream like a little girl,basically because you’re totally retarded and that it was all the fault of America!!!!

    You see thats how FB sees the world,thats because just like Putin he’s a product of Orwellian mind control,that what totalitarianism does to you,poor old FB he’s not alone though is he, as there’s plenty of folks who just seem to love totalitarian horror show countries,past and present,Nazi Germany for example,or the religious dictatorship commonly known as Iran,or Putin Russia,or digital totalitarian state china

    Personally I’ll stay with the majority of normal sane folks,in our woodshed!

    • Replies: @FB
  187. KA says:
    @alwayswrite

    But but but – China is screwing India and all India can say how good they look to the West!
    Burning pyres welcome the dead glowing the sky , waters turn brown to black and smell transforms from the sweat to the odors of the putrid cows on the Ganges as the bodies are thrown to the water in bulk by the clandestine operations by the untouchables because families are afraid to say bye to the so -called loved one . Muslims come to help the body pick up from morgue ,from home and wash them and then they cremate them without the families being anywhere because of the morbid superstitious fears of the dead and of the virus . Someone was worshiping Covid as god hoping the deity get rid of Corona while Modi was forcing people to try more bovine products from the uro-rectal tracts for health and heaven in case .. you know.

    China is forcing Muslim Buddhist Fulang -Dan Christian . No selection pressure there . Chian is bringing more education and woman’s freedom to muslims while India is killing expelling and degrading the muslims . India by killing the muslims is earning the confidence of the Hindus . With that newly gathered confidence from the dirty gutter of HInduvatta and fetched from the toilet bowl of the RSS – BJP minds ,Modi is killing more muslims and emptying the country’s coffers. GDP is going up and up Country’s economy is going down and down .

    Some of the newly coined words that have made their ways the RSS Hinduvatta lexicons are- Corona is Koran, Corona Jihad , Government office- Jiahad or Bureaucracy -Jihad, Muslims are termite , even threat like “ we will do what we did to Godhra in 2002” . They call the muslim elected leaders foreign agent and refer them to the invading Mughal .Then they worked on the threat last year in 2020 in Delhi .With the new chants they become minister and members of legislative bodies . They welcome Hindus from other countries to become citizen and expel the local native muslims . In USA ,Russia and Bangladesh or Nepal they would be sent to jail .So in China ,because these violate basic concept of the secularism and democracy and responsibility to the society .
    But India shows one can be a secular and democracy by violating the basic concept of the both and do that repeatedly and from numerous angles .

    • Agree: antibeast
    • Replies: @Malla
  188. @BorisMay

    Well its not so much about any of the cou tries providing an alternative to the dollar. What is happening is that Russia and China are now moving to more and more trade with each country they trade with in local currencies. Currency swapping deals are happening all over. Being the world reserve currency is seen as a liability now so nobody except the US and UK wants that burden. So i wouldnt expect a US dollar replacement. Just more than there will less dollar usage as more local currenices get used (which is already happening).

    • Agree: antibeast
  189. @Biff

    GE Appliances was on its death bed u til bought and revived by Haier – a Chinese company.

  190. @Alfred

    Yeah Russians shouldnt complain Putin raised the retirement age. People indeed live lo ger and healthier now… People also do less manual labor. Pensions systems werent built to support people for 30 years.

    • Agree: Rogue
    • Disagree: FB
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  191. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    Currently Russian aerospace projects are limited by sanctions,you know the ones apparently that don’t bother Russia,well they do bother Russia as they can’t supply their own stuff and that has hampered their abilities to launch satellites,and thats according to Mr Rogozin, who’s in charge of space tech

    Go ahead and provide a credible link to that bullshit.

    The fact is that the US would not be able to launch satellites or its mars rovers, including Perseverance that is there right now, without RUSSIAN engines.

    Go ahead and look THAT up—National Security Space Launch

    Each and every US military sat is launched with Russian RD180 engines.

    SpaceX has only been chosen by NSSL for three mickey mouse launches of GPS sats—while the Russian-powered Atlas V has made 87 successful launches, including the most recent on May 18, which launched the USA315-SBIRS GEO-5, which is a MISSILE EARLY WARNING satellite, used to detect ICBM launches [including Russian, lol].

    Without Russian space tech, US would have NOTHING, including the ISS space station. Ironically, they would also be sitting ducks for Russian ICBMs, if Russia did not give them the engines to launch their early warning sats. 😂

    Here’s a list of the 87 Atlas V launches and their payloads.

    Russia needs absolutely NOTHING from the US in space tech—your claim about Russian sats is PURE BULLSHIT.

    The US has attempted to place sanctions on Russia’s CIVIL AIRCRAFT program, namely the MC21, on which I worked on quite recently in Russia.

    That consisted of withholding fiber-composite materials for the carbon wing of the MC21—which the Russians quickly substituted with their own, better materials.

    The Russians are a decade AHEAD of the US and the west in advanced aero composites. That’s according to a German expert who also worked as a consultant on the MC21 project.

    By Lonrenz’s estimation, AeroComposit, because of its work on the MS21 wings, is about a decade ahead of the rest of the aerospace composites world in the development, application and optimization of infusion for large aerostructures.

    ‘The Russians are learning day by day and are constantly optimizing. They are way ahead,’ [Lorenz] says.

    Next-Gen Aerospace 2019 [page 24]

    You picked the WRONG subject for your diarrhea explosions, fool.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  192. Mefobills says:
    @anon

    Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

    China has some Chinks in their armor. One is they have allowed a layer of private banks, which are in turn pushing housing costs.

    This is bad…you don’t want to price out family formation.

    China is not sufficiently fascist. They send their students to North America or London to learn economics. At that point many are destroyed with false ideology.

    Goldman Sachs making inroads is a bad development.

    A fish rots from the head. If subsequent generations of Chinese leaders don’t hold the line, China can fail.

  193. @Showmethereal

    Bloody generous that Putin!

    Raised retirement age for men to 65,blimey Russian men on average only live until they’re about 67, so no chance of them enjoying 30 years of retirement is there,no wonder blokes in Russia kick hell out of their wives and drink themselves to death it must be the only pleasure they get before the grim reaper carries them off

    the average life expectancy for Russia is only about 72, Putin certainly knows how to disperse all that cash he’s accrued for the benefit of his long suffering population

    Well Putin wants to increase life expectancy, he’d better get a move on,as its this older cohort who support him,about half the younger population want to migrate

    I’m not sure how you’re gonna be a global super power with demographic stats like these

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Passer by
  194. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    LoL. You are immune to facts on the ground.

    You even pretend the reality of today’s China doesn’t exist.

    Nobody sane would recommend China turn backwards to a command type Soviet economy.

    You also have the very Jewish tendency of conflating facts.

    You were enraged when I said so what about China Russia Communist Era nukes. SO WHAT. Putin has recapitulated a strong military to protect Russia.

    The battleship example exposes the hypocrisy of your ideology. Top down planners of communist hierarchy misallocate resources like making battleships to the exclusion of other things.

    There is no brotherhood of the proletariat.

    • Replies: @FB
  195. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    You are just as idiotic as FB.

    It’s not so easy to turn a ship of state on a dime.

    Russia has installed mechanisms to increase birthrates and lower alcoholism.

    Honest people can find that data on their own.

    Is it enough? They could do more. Already the Russian military spending is fourth or fifth in the world, which allows more room for family grants.

  196. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    Rol- Royce jet engine without which the MIG 15 wouldn’t have flown

    More bullshit from you.

    The Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG15 used the Russian Klimov VK1 engine.

    It’s true that it was derived from the Rolls Royce Nene, 15 of which were supplied by Britain in the postwar years, due to the massive public goodwill in Britain towards Russia at the time which saw the Red Army as the savior of Britain and Europe in general, against the Nazis. [There was a Red Army day proclaimed, as well as a museum where King George’s Sword of Stalingrad was displayed to Londoners].

    This is similar to how the Chinese knocked off their current state of the art rocket engine by using the RD120 that Russia sold them. I described this in some detail in my post above, and it took a huge ten-year effort for the Chinese to duplicate this engine.

    The Russians duplicated the Nene in a matter of a few months and came up with a bigger and better engine—greater thrust by 20 percent.

    That’s because the Russians already had their own advanced jet engine and rocket engine technology. See engine designer Arkhip Lyulka:

    In 1939-1941 Arkhip Lyul’ka elaborated the design for the World’s first turbofan engine, and acquired a patent for this new invention on April 22, 1941.

    Although several prototypes were built and ready for state tests, Lyulka was forced to abandon his research and evacuate to the Ural mountains as the Great Patriotic War began with the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union [1941].

    Those prototypes predate even Sir Frank Whittle’s work in England that eventually resulted in the Nene. The Lyulka engine also predated the other jet engine pioneer, the German Hans von Ohain, who designed the world’s first serially-produced jet engine, the Junkers Jumo 004, used in the Messerschmitt 262.

    Lyulka’s engines would go on to be a world standard in the following decades, including the engines used in today’s Sukhoi fighter jets.

    It was the US that had no jet engine technology. Britain gifted their jet engine tech to the US, not just a few example engines, but the entire design and industrial blueprints and processes—everything. This gift was eventually taken into account in writing off some lend-lease debt [Britain got three times as much lend-lease as Russia].

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  197. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    He’s terrified of me thats why he tries to embarrass me with childish challenges

    Well, that’s actually kind of true, lol. But mostly for reasons of public safety.

    Any open flame anywhere near your explosive gas eruptions could be dangerous for the children. 😂

  198. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    You also have the very Jewish tendency of conflating facts.

    Funny.

    Is that supposed to be some kind of a ‘refutation’ to the many SPECIFIC points I made in debunking your horseshit about China?

    You are clearly in the same league as that ‘alwayswrite’ retard, who is never able to substantiate anything he barfs up here.

    All you ever do is throw up a lot of bullshit—some of it actually sounding reasonable [for instance I do agree with the important point about the unsustainable nature of finance capitalism].

    But you are in la-la land with your nonsense about national socialism and fascism, which you don’t actually understand at all.

    And more importantly to this thread, your completely ludicrous claims about the Chinese economic system—about which you have no clue.

    You are only making yourself look silly and lose credibility. At one point, I found your discussions about the banking system quite useful [although you appear to have some important lacunae of understanding in that regard also].

    But now you are just a farce with your Hitler fanboy shtick.

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    , @Mefobills
  199. @FB

    That Klimov engine thingy was basically a Rolls- Royce engine built without licence according to your link,some would call that theft,as professor Sutton claimed,its impossible to talk about Soviet military technology because they dont have any,or words to that effect

    Oh,and that problem with Russian satellites Rogozin was going on about, well it’s nothing to do with rockets,they’ve got loads of them,noooo,its chips,and i dont mean french fries,wink,wink

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  200. @Mefobills

    Indeed China has loads of listening sensors in the South China Sea to monitor subs. They also have some in Mariana Trench that can hear to Guam. I believe you were speaking of UUV’s. Those it appears communicate with the real submarines and the listening sensors. On the reclaimed land on the atolls and reefs China has setup SINGINT which of course is monitoring communications. So yeah the people who think it is the naval battles of the WW1 and WW2 eras are mistaken.

    Make no mistake – the US and Japan have listening posts in the so called 1st and 2nd island chain – but their sensors are older. No one really knows who can hear more. But it’s almost certain by now in the SCS itself there is no question on who hears and sees the most. In the East China Sea and the Yellow Sea it might be a toss up. But as you said – UUV’s watching will probably make the difference. Neither side is fully showing it’s cards as relates to that. I won’t be so bold to say who has the best coverage there… But we certainly know who has the most diesel electric subs and the most Intermediate range missiles in that area – and it is certainly China. But people like “alwayswrite” think it’s the 1950’s when the PLA couldn’t get across the Taiwan Strait. They took Hainan first because that was easier. The KMT forces when they heard about the Mainland retreat abandoned Hainan to retreat to Taiwan for the “last stand”. Here we are 70 years later. Had the Korean War not happened – I think the PLA would have eventually taken back Taiwan in the late 1950’s. The country was spent – even though the PRC accomplished it’s goals of sending the US and allies back down below the 38th parallel. By the early 1970’s peaceful reunification became the ideal. But it seems psychos like “alwayswrite” and Congress members in the US want to force China’s hand to use force by toying with “Taiwan Independence”. Now the new talk is “it is already an independent country called the Republic of China”. A completely stupid idea – but valuable psyops. The constitution of the Republic of China says it rules the Chinese mainland too – so how are they claiming the Republic of China is independent. Word play is dangerous.

  201. @FB

    “Wow! Just where do you think China would be today without its ICBMs?

    I’ll tell you where, because you seem utterly clueless about major facts of geopolitical life. The South China Sea would today be a US lake [as it was before those ICBMs came along], and its province and US puppet Taiwan would have long ago been independent, and probably still holding China’s UN Security Council seat [which it did until 1971].

    China would today be nothing more than a castrated servant like Japan. Btw, for those who wonder what happened to Japan all you need to do is familiarize yourself with the Plaza Accord, by which Japan the eunuch [along with the other empire eunuchs] agreed to rejig the rules to continue subservience to the empire in a rapidly changing global economic setting.”

    Very true – which is why the Cultural Revolution was very hurtful for China. Aside from the families affected – China lost momentum on terms of scientific achievement. A lost decade…

    On a side note… I can’t comment on your experiences in Russia but I will take your word for it. I see in a comment you said you worked on the MC21. Is Russia planning to export that plane? And what of the PD14 engine? Is Russia planning to export that?

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  202. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I agree with most of your comments – but in this I must disagree. Abortion is one of the main mechanisms that brings about the break down in families. Once you break down the family society falls apart. And we can try to pretty it up how much we want but aborting a fetus in a nicely lit doctor’s office – is not much different than generations ago when rural women would toss babies into rivers because of poverty. In fact – I have more compassion for those poor old rural women who at least did it because they didn’t want to hear a starving baby cry and there was little means to give up children for adoption in those days. Wrong is wrong and evil is evil. Abortion for convenience is evil.

    As to drugs it is absolutely right to ban hard drugs. I personally have no problem with marijuana – but cocaine – crack – herione – oxycotine – methamphetamines and all those things are very very destructive and should not be legalized. Many Chinese traitors who worked with Brits and Americans and other opium pushers held that ideology and that’s why there were so many opium addicts in China – is partly what caused China to fall apart. Opium was incredibly corrosive in Chinese societies. In many ways it was even worse than we see in western societies. The Qing emperor was absolutely right to ban it. They were just too weak militarily to stand up the Brits. If China legalized drugs now it would be a disaster. Thankfully they looked at Singapore. You traffic drugs – you die. Simple. Keeps violence very very low. And you don’t have zombies or the corruption in customs and such. Hong Kong on the other hand…. I can’t say about now – but certainly up until the 1990’s – the drug trade unleashed many a demon in Hong Kong and it was mainly just a transshipment point.

  203. @showmethereal

    Apparently the Soviet Union was also big on abortion,that is when not killing its citizens in the gulag or famines or war, or basically the collapse of said union,its a totalitarian thing you see

  204. @FB

    Well he’s basically no different to you with your pro Russia/ Soviet/ totalitarian Chinese shtick

    Seems to me you all kinda get your rocks off by indulging yourself with embracing the most murderous regimes in history

    You need to read the black book of communism,basically it should be titled black book of totalitarianism

    Have nice night/ day whatever!

  205. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    as professor Sutton claimed,its impossible to talk about Soviet military technology because they dont have any,or words to that effect

    Which is why Russia put the first man in space? And also the world’s first ICBM?

    I suppose they got that ‘technology’ from the US too?

    The ‘Semyorka’ – the historic R7 rocket designed by Sergei Korolev on display in Ostankino, Moscow, which launched the first satellite, Sputnik, the first SEVERAL humans in space, and was the launcher for the world’s first ICBM

    This is what the US had at that time:

    Mercury-Redstone Project Manager Joachim Kuettner [L] and center officials host MR-4 ‘astronaut’ Gus Grissom [6th from L]

    This was an almost exact copy of the German V2 rocket, only slightly more powerful at 78,000 pounds of thrust, versus 60,000 pounds for the V2 from 1945. And built by the same German V2 team, including Kuettner.

    Just like jet engines, it’s the US that had ZERO space and rocket technology.

    The Russian R7 had four times as much thrust as this Mercury rocket, which came nowhere near to achieving orbital velocity of about 18,000 mph—Alan Shepard’s so-called ‘spaceflight’ only reached 5,000 mph and covered a grand total flight distance of 263 miles, while staying aloft for 15 minutes.

    By contrast, Yuri Gagarin’s flight did reach orbital speed of 18,000 mph and circled the earth completely in a little over an hour, covering 25,000 miles.

    That’s only ONE HUNDRED TIMES GREATER than the first US ‘spaceflight’ lol!

    The second man in space, German Titov, stayed up for 24 hours and circled the earth TWENTY TIMES, for a distance flown of 500,000 miles.

    The US only managed to come in THIRD, after Gagarin and Titov, with John Glenn’s orbital flight in 1962, which completed three earth orbits covering 75,000 miles.

    The US ludicrously claims suborbital flights as ‘spaceflights’ as long as they reach a height greater than the atmosphere [which only about 60 miles].

    This is total nonsense, since reaching orbit is a matter of SPEED, not height. It takes a speed of 18,000 mph to generate enough CENTRIUFUGAL FORCE to negate the earth’s gravitational pull and STAY IN FLIGHT around the earth.

    The Russians, starting in 1961 also made a very long list of space FIRSTS:

    The Venera program established a number of precedents in space exploration, among them being:

    The first human-made devices to enter the atmosphere of another planet [Venera 3 on 1 March 1966]

    The first to make a soft landing on another planet [Venera 7 on 15 December 1970]

    The first to return images from another planet’s surface [Venera 9 on 8 June 1975]

    The first to record sounds on another planet [Venera 13 on 30 October 1981]

    The first to perform high-resolution radar mapping scans [Venera 15 on 2 June 1983].

    Also the first to successfully land a spacecraft on mars, the first robotic sample return mission from the moon, the first permanent space station…and much much more.

    Clowns like Sutton can write whatever they like to soothe their bruised egos. And so can you, lol! 😂

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  206. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Is that supposed to be some kind of a ‘refutation’ to the many SPECIFIC points I made in debunking your horseshit about China?

    Your specific points are conflations, and I could write a book. And further, you are doing appeals to authority, which is logical fallacy. The truth has a way of standing on its own, and it does not need authority.

    Why should anybody take you seriously after your Nazis shrunk the heads of Jews argument, which shows you are unhinged and demoralized. In other words, you are beyond logical argument of relevant facts. You believe what you believe and there is no changing your mind.

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/gaza-is-better-than-auschwitz/#comment-4665367

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/gaza-is-better-than-auschwitz/#comment-4665531

    Your are also quick to call people delusional clowns and the like. This is the mark of somebody who is demoralized. I freely admit that national socialism like that of Eastern Germany did preserve the race and patrimony of the people; it did level the playing field and give opportunity to labor, so in that case – national communism was good. National Communism had some redeeming qualities, not International Jewish Communism.

    Overall though, national socialism is a much better system than national communism. Why? Because communism is a command economy, and it doesn’t work. Suck it. That is the verdict of history, and no amount of ad-hominems from your lips can change facts on the ground. You have spent your life fighting against national socialism, and you have been wrong your whole life. Judaism is also a false religion. Suck it again. I know you won’t change, but would rather be a bitter clinger.

    Here is S describing how the shrunken head thing became legend. But then, you are immune to revisionist history, where what you think you know is being revised:

    https://www.unz.com/ishamir/gaza-is-better-than-auschwitz/#comment-4667383

    Only non-demoralized people can adjust and think outside of their box. Ron Unz is an example of a brave soul who is not afraid to challenge what he thinks he knows.

    Your heroes are Mao and Stalin, got it. Life marches on, and history is revised. The caravan moves on and the dogs bark.

    • Replies: @FB
  207. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Look, no one is asking you to write a ‘book,’ just some FACTUAL support for your NSDAP nonsense, which has nothing to do with China.

    Go ahead—tell us all about it. I’m all ears, lol!

    Your response is nothing but fluff. You keep repeating some buzzwords, like ‘command economy,’ which, as I already pointed out, applies more to today’s US and western neoliberal economies which are DE FACTO commanded by the central banks and the Ponzi claques that run them.

    Is this not true?

    In any case, my problem with this is not that I dispute that a Soviet-style economy is necessarily better or worse than some other model, especially the mixed economy model that is working well in China. I have no problem with any of that.

    I merely corrected you when you started quacking stupidly about ‘living standards’ in the Soviet bloc, about which you know nothing—other than propaganda bullshit.

    Why don’t you just accept that correction and move on to the meat and potatoes of this argument, which is that you think China is now on some kind of NAZI economy?

    That is where you fail, my friend. You have shown nothing to support that. It was your claim, and I shot it down, using actual DOCUMENTARY evidence about your closely supporting claim regarding Scumbag Deng.

    You also did nothing to refute that either. Which leads to the inevitable conclusion that you don’t know anything about China.

    Btw, ‘appeals to authority’ are a REAL THING on planet earth. Do you go to the barista at the coffee shop for medical advice?

    You are just flapping a lot of shit and making yourself look like the delusional clown I called you rightly once before.

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  208. Seraphim says:
    @GeeBee

    For sure Jacob Schiff was ‘merely a tip of the metaphorical iceberg’. Things are more complex. People fixated on the Rothschilds tend to not see the forest from the trees and pay less attention to the ‘German’ banking dynasties behind and next to Schiff, the Warburgs (descendants of the Sephardo-Venetian family Del Banco), Oppenheims, Oppenheimers (Meyer Amschel Rothschild started as an apprentice at the Oppenheimer bank in Hamburg), Mendelssohns, possibly Bethmanns (from whom the Chancellor so much linked with the start of WW1, Theobald von Bethmann Hollweg descended).
    Max Warburg (the brother of Paul – creator of the Federal Reserve and of Felix- the son-in-law of Jacob Schiff) was personal ‘advisor’ of Kaiser Wilhelm. Jacob Schiff was known for his ‘alleged’ pro-German orientation. The two banking brothers Warburg (Paul and Max) were in fact on both sides of the Atlantic energetically pushing for German-American institutions that would offer an alternative to the British industrial and financial monopoly. They were convinced that Germany and the US were growing stronger year by year while British power would erode. Gelphand was very much in collusion with the German Social Democrats (as well as with German Intelligence).
    All these things were well known at their time and they did not wait for a Rockwell to ‘discover that the Russian Revolution was inextricably linked to Jews’ (as well as ‘capitalism’, or ‘spirit of capitalism’, if you want).

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  209. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Now you are trying shaming techniques, with clown pictures.

    People who are intelligent can see through your Jewish tactics. All you are doing is making self inflicted wounds.

    I have a long comment history about NSDAP economy and also China economy. Many hundreds of words explaining the very things you accuse me of not explaining. I list the economists, the dates, and the effects.

    China does indeed have an economy TODAY (post Deng), that is very similar to NSDAP’s economy. It is a form of national socialism. China uses mixed economy, where the government intervenes in inelastic sectors, and also spends state credit to acquire industrial capability and know how.

    Anybody that hasn’t noticed the success of this economic system is living under a rock. Anybody that is pining to return to Mao and his glory, will likely be resisted by millions of Chinese.

    Your shrunken head paranoia and Jewish hysteria is a window into your thought process, and it is not pretty. The cartoon LoL’s are more non-seriousness from a demoralized person.

    And now you are trying to gas-light us about living standards in the Soviet Union? Their basic needs were met. But so what? It was non optimal. There are too many inefficiencies in a top down command economy. Economic history has rendered its verdict whether you like it or not.

    China is now on-track to eliminate poverty with their mixed economy, sovereign money (state bank), national socialist system.

    Suck it. Your worldview is refuted by facts, and you are not able to adjust to what is in front of your eyes.

    National Socialism also delivered for the German people, until it was murdered in the crib.

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  210. Seraphim says:
    @FB

    The growing suspicion is that the obvious troll ‘alwayswrite’ is the same sock-puppet which infested this site under the various monikers of ‘echoesofhistory’ and numbered ‘Anonymouses’, ‘Anons’. Too many idiosyncratic (or downright ‘idiotic’) expressions give him away.It is clear that he plays the role of the jester, making people laugh. I do.

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  211. FB says: • Website

    National Socialism also delivered for the German people…

    Indeed. ‘Delivered’ millions of soon-to-be German corpses to the Russian Front.

    While ordinary folks back home in the glorious reichland did not even have enough to eat—despite the NAZIS confiscating millions of tons of food and livestock from ordinary Russian folks, who were left to starve as per the Hunger Plan.

    Look, I asked for FACTS…not your silly ‘opinion,’ which is ALL that you have offered up here.

    Oh yeah, that and calling me ‘Jewish’ lol!

    And of course this:

    I have a long comment history about NSDAP economy and also China economy.

    Now THAT is truly worthy of a resounding SO WHAT?

    You are truly a buffoon of quite ridiculous proportions.

    Your idiotic themes in those 500,000 words of commentary on this site have revolved around things like ‘Germany was fighting against the Jewish Bankers’…which is why they invaded a WHITE CHRISTIAN Russia?

    And of course, this ‘noble’ work was ‘killed in the crib.’

    One supposes by those Jewish bankers?—and not the white Christian Russians, of which the NAZIS killed nearly 30 million?

    You are beyond laughable.

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  212. Seraphim says:
    @Mefobills

    Actually it shot itself in the foot. In both in fact.

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  213. GeeBee says:
    @Seraphim

    Many thanks for your excellent adumbration of the actual iceberg! I confess that much of my post to which you replied was cribbed from my own monograph (short book really) on the subject of National Socialism, which I was commissioned to write three years ago. In my post there was of course insufficient space to examine the various strands of the game which was set afoot around the turn of the twentieth -century. I did explore many of the characters whom you name and developed their complex interrelationships. The take away from it all, however, is relatively compact and compelling: Zionism wished to achieve certain aims, and it was allied to its co-religionists in the financial sector who shared many of those aims.

    As I put it then, ‘There is insufficient space here to give full justice to the hugely complex background to the causes of the Great War of 1914–18. Although there seems to have been general awareness of the worldwide calamity that war between the great European powers would entail, the various attempts at international mediation were half-hearted and doomed to failure. In this prevailing atmosphere it was perhaps unsurprising that the world slid inexorably into that very calamity.

    ‘It was by no means inevitable, however: none of the major countries involved was directly threatened. Never the less, all of the other major powers had an interest of one sort or another in a war against Germany. France wanted revenge for its defeat in 1871 and to retrieve Alsace-Lorraine; Britain wanted to regain the lead in international trade it was losing to Germany; Russia wanted to defeat Germany’s ally Austria-Hungary in order to strengthen its hegemony in the Balkans, and to supplant Ottoman domination of the Black Sea.

    ‘And as ever, lurking in the background, there was that other, stateless faction; one which owed allegiance to no nation, no state, no political or cultural entity, but only to its own ends, which is to say rapine and self-enrichment. The ubiquitous and all-powerful ‘Financial International’ – the ‘Money Power’ of the rootless Jew – stretched its tentacles into every nook and cranny of ‘Western’ life, sucking dry the fruits of daring enterprise, careful husbandry and honest toil.

    ‘It is to this, least obvious of all the swirling currents of intrigue, rivalry and national interest, that we should look, if not for the macrocosmic and geopolitical root cause of that terrible conflict, but certainly to discover the hidden hand directing the world’s greatest nations and cultures to their doom. The ‘Financial International’ as the impresario of deliberate catastrophe; the ‘Money Power’ and its malign orchestration of ruin. Parasitic scavengers, secretly drooling at the easy pickings their machinations will deliver up to them, uncaring of the sum of carnage and suffering their actions will inevitably entail.

    ‘Careful and diligent research reveals that the sweeping away of the old order: royal houses that had ruled for centuries, imperial dynasties that maintained stability and kept to tradition, was the deliberate objective of these money-masters. They always thrive best where change and decay are all around; where chaos and adversity prevail. Because Tsar Nicholas II had continued the practice of his immediate forebears in maintaining a moratorium on Jewish involvement in the Russian empire, the ‘Financial International’ were determined to dethrone him and place people of their own kind in authority.’

    As for your remark that all of this was ‘well known at the time and did not wait for a Rockwell to discover it’ I confess that Rockwell’s name only emerged because (pandering to the largely American readership) I began my 40,000 word piece with a sort of prequel, based on Rockwell. It is worth bearing in mind, however, that he most certainly was shocked when he discovered the involvement of Jews and the Financial International. Then – as now, more than sixty years later – few are aware of these things, and any mention of them will quickly see an immediate ‘de-platforming’ (which certainly happened to us, in the aftermath of my piece’s publication) or worse, being sent down the ‘memory hole’. We are not allowed to know certain things in today’s world, and Jewish involvement in wars and revolutions sits atop that list of banned knowledge.

  214. @Seraphim

    I must admit i do like a good laugh,but absolutely refute this idea of multi personalities

    Not guilty Sir!

    Anyways you people should lighten up,honestly you’re all so serious,you want links and evidence of this that and the other,you profess some sort of higher knowledge,my new friend FB constantly takes umbrage links me to articles like his most recent example,about Rolls-Royce jet engines,which clearly demonstrates that mig jets had a western designed engine,its worse though because his link also goes on to show how the British wanted millions of pounds from Russians for unlicensed manufacturing of said engine

    This brings us onto sanctions,unfortunately FB wants to live in a museum for old rockets,anyway it doesn’t matter because the Russians declared only the other day in z press conference that sanctions were stopping them launch their rockets,all due to a lack of microchips,but silly people like Escobar and the saker do a very good job at hiding the realities about stuff like this

    So no,not a troll,if you want you’ll find the report on Reuters about sanctions,microchips and the inability of Russia to launch its satellites,unfortunately to many ‘clever’ people on here want to be spoon fed information,its obvious they don’t want to find out the truth,maybe FB found out,but basically just doubled down on more of his usual evasion tactetics

    Anyways I’ll leave the final word to an Unz regular,Anotoly Karlin who published an article on this site about ‘ the backwardness of Russian science,so i’ll leave you to pick that apart,maybe Karlin is also a
    ” troll” ?????

  215. FB says: • Website

    Anyways I’ll leave the final word to an Unz regular,Anotoly Karlin who published an article on this site about ‘ the backwardness of Russian science…

    Oh yeah, Anatoly ‘Munchausen’ Karlin…who not only possesses ZERO professional knowledge or qualifications about anything having to do with science—but is also a pathological liar, like his illustrious namesake.

    He was called out by our own Israel Shamir after having written a load of complete BULLSHIT on this website about Julian Assange, no less.

    Shamir, being a personal friend of Assange and knowing the details of what happened before he sought asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy, took great exception to Karlin’s bullshit. Karlin claiming ludicrously that Assange had tried to obtain asylum in Russia—a complete LIE, wholly fabricated by this ridiculous Jewish asshat posing as a Russian.

    Here is this psycho on RT.

    He appeared two more times on RT after that, years ago, and then was never invited back again, lol!

    Anyway, I remember that article from this hasbara liar. It was about the supposed failure of a Russian plan to design some kind of standardized tablet for schoolchildren. Big deal. Tablets and cell phones are a dime a dozen and have nothing to do with serious technology.

    The small club of the world’s most powerful nations is distinguished by having an aerospace industry and a nuclear industry, the two most challenging scientific domains. Russia is the world’s UNDISPUTED LEADER in both of those advanced industries.

    As for chips, those are cranked out by the wagonload in places like Korea and Taiwan, the latter being the world’s biggest chip producer. Big deal. This is called CONSUMER ELECTRONICS. It is today what the Sony walkman was in the 1980s.

    Those chips that Rogozin is squawking about are obviously a tiny part of a satellite. Most likely these are sats that Russia is building for other countries or commercial customers, which are a big part of its business.

    Russia has no need for anybody’s chips and has its own that are just fine.

    Btw, in aerospae you don’t want chips with very small feature size, for the simple reason that our atmosphere filters out cosmic radiation and ‘energetic particles’ that would destroy electronics with small circuit size, once you leave the atmosphere.

    Even commercial aircraft still use 286-generation chips, including the newest Boeing 737 MAX. This is for the same reason, because even at 40,000 ft, the atmospheric protection for electronic circuits is greatly diminished—and in fact as a pilot myself, I know that on each flight of several hours you are ‘dosed’ with much more radiation than on the ground.

    For Russia’s own needs their domestic Elbrus chips are just fine. During Soviet times, Russian computing was ahead of the US in many ways. By the 1980s, the US started making progress on shrinking circuits which of course is necessary for small consumer gadgets like phones that can also provide the power of a small computer. But even by the late 1980s, Soviet microprocessors were only about a generation behind the latest Intel chips.

    That all changed with the dissolution of the Soviet Union and a cohesive industrial plan for microelectronics was never seriously pursued. In any case, it rarely makes sense to do so for consumer electronics because the Taiwanese, Korean and Japanese have become very good at it, so it is not necessary to reinvent the wheel.

    But still Russia is now starting to focus on the chip industry and their Elbrus chips are now only a couple of generations behind the latest intel and AMD stuff.

    Oh and btw, it’s kind of telling that an illiterate like you actually COMPLAINS about the fact that someone [in this case myself] provides informative posts with links for further reading.

    Judging by your inability to even use proper PUNCTUATION, I would put your reading and writing at about the grade six level. No wonder you are so bitter! 😭

  216. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    And you are doing the Cartoon LoL’s again.

    What are you 10 years old? Old and regressing backwards?

    You actually believe Nazi’s shrunk the heads of Jews and used their skin for lampshades. Whenever there are logical responses to your craziness, you ignore said responses – as if they don’t exist.

    This means you are unhinged, and basically crazy.

    Or, as the Russians say about today’s America – which has become unhinged, “Agreement non-compliant.”

    Your idiotic themes in those 500,000 words of commentary on this site have revolved around things like ‘Germany was fighting against the Jewish Bankers’…which is why they invaded a WHITE CHRISTIAN Russia?

    Ron Unz has a lot of commentary on why the Tsar’s were killed, and what caused the Bolshevik revolution. Perhaps, while visiting his site, you might familiarize yourself with his work. On this very thread Gee-Bee discusses Schiff and how finance capital was formed (Yes – Schiff was a Jew) to the fund operations against Russia via Japan.

    There were two banks in Germany that were left in Jewish hands, and this was deemed acceptable as they were not operating against the Reich. What, do I need to post the exact names of the bank and when they operated to satisfy your pilpul?

    Things get twisted up in your crazy mind. Germany was under attack by finance international, especially because it had an economy type at odds with international finance capital. That this happened is not even debatable anymore. It is only debatable by ankle biters.

    Jews were and are a big part of finance international, but mammonism had spread to other outposts, to include City of London, and Wall Street.

    Despite your heckling, my commentary generally has supporting links so the reader can go further and draw conclusions for himself.

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  217. Mefobills says:
    @Seraphim

    Actually it shot itself in the foot. In both in fact.

    I disagree with Hitler firing of Schacht in 1938. Schacht was in the process of satisfying International finance banksters, especially by paying off some of the debts they were screaming about.

    20 20 hindsight, there were other ways to avoid the war.

    And FB will probably want me to give him the exact discussion of Schacht with his contemporaries, and I can do that – then he will accuse me of being self taught because I went through the trouble of reading monetary history.

    Look how much trouble China and Russia are going through to avoid shooting themselves in the foot. They continuously turn the other cheek at Western provocations and have to avoid traps and sanctions.

  218. I’m the happiest person around,like a good laff cant spell…who cares,punctuation meh who needs it,seems to upset you though

    Anyways that Karlin article certainly got under your skin didn’t it

    And yet again you use your usual tactics going off half cock about St Julian of Assange,now please explain what thats got to do with the declining state of Russian science and technology?

    Well,its got nothing to do with it has it

    Karlin though is absolutely correct,it must be one of the few actually true and honest articles on this site,i think its you who’s got more in common with munchhousen,Oops speld that rong,wink ,wank😂😃😄😅😅

  219. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    To do a chipset for outer space, requires special considerations, like when some sort of ionizing radiation comes along and zaps a memory cell.

    The cell then discharges or charges, and the chip malfunctions. If I explain how I know, you will accuse me of not being a professional and self taught.

    Yes, I was self taught in industry on this very subject, as we had to push the boundaries of science constantly.

    Your constant appeals to authority are annoying and are a logical fallacy.

    The older chipsets with larger feature sizes are more immune to radiation as you suggest, but it is more than feature size that matters. You can counter-dope, add in diode structures, or even go to SOI (silicon on insulator) to harden for outer space, among other techniques (germanium instead of silicon).

    Yes, Russia can engineer around the sanctions, but engineering around an already in-place and approved solution is a pain in the butt.

    Russia is being attacked by the West primarily because it had the temerity to not become a vassal to western finance capitalism. Escaping from the dollar can be understood in that context.

    But then, since things get twisted up in your crazy mind, why do people bother to reply to your commentary. After this, I probably will start ignoring you as unworthy of my time.

    Legacy chipsets are used, or old legacy computers are not upgraded, because to do the upgrade sets in motion a lot of re-standardization and re-certification costs. It is cheaper to keep the old stuff running by stocking old chips and doing repairs.

    The 737 Max is likely not using old chipsets and computers, especially after the A0A disaster and recertification. Maybe you can make yourself useful and figure out that, something for which you are qualified.

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  220. Passer by says:
    @alwayswrite

    Raised retirement age for men to 65..

    After 2035.

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  221. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Hopefully, this will be my last reply to you on this subject—because it is becoming clear that there is no possibility to have a serious discussion with you.

    You mention all kinds of irrelevant nonsense, like Jacob Schiff and Bolsheviks and all kinds of bullshit—which has what exactly to do with the price of bananas?

    This discussion is about your idiotic claim that China has a NAZI economy.

    Not Jacob Schiff from 1905, nor shrunken Jewish lampshades.

    You specifically FAIL to rebut anything I said about the UTTER CATASTROPHE for the German people that resulted in Hitler’s war of aggression against Russia. Which speaks directly to your idiotic claim about how Hitler’s ‘economy’ was ‘great for the people.’

    No, it wasn’t great at all for the German people. The country ended up destroyed and occupied, and nothing but a castrated servant for the last 75 years.

    And no reasonably sane person on earth would call this war of aggression against Russia as some kind of ‘fighting against Jewish bankers.’

    That is just completely INSANE. Full stop.

    And nobody ‘murdered’ this ‘magical’ NAZI economy ‘in its crib.’

    That is EQUALLY INSANE.

    The Nazi project was CRUSHED by the Red Army—after the NAZIS tried and failed to destroy AND GENOCIDE Europe’s BIGGEST AND MOST POWERFUL WHITE NATION. Full stop.

    You are just absolutely delusional. None of that has anything to do with Jewish bankers, who were in London, mostly.

    Why, if Hitler’s war was against Jewish bankers, didn’t he invade Britain? That would have been a cakewalk compared to invading Russia. He had already crushed the supposedly mighty French in a matter of a few weeks and driven the British off the continent [in fact quite mercifully].

    The fact is Hitler had ZERO DESIRE to war against Britain. He said so himself many times.

    He sought a partnership and ALLIANCE with Britain, and greatly admired its global empire, which he wanted to emulate himself—in fact he wanted to divide and rule the world TOGETHER WITH BRITAIN.

    You know, that same Britain that was the EPICENTER of JEWISH BANKING!

    Those are the historical facts, you complete fool. Your blabbering is truly insane.

    And as for Jewish lampshades [since you keep mentioning this irrelevancy nonstop]—I would certainly not put it past the NAZIS.

    Sure, it was probably done only as a lark by a few truly demented psychos here and there [certainly not on the scale of Mengele’s systematic ghoulish experiments], but the evidence for using tanned human skins at Buchenwald is quite persuasive—including pictures which I already posted elsewhere.

    Anyway, that’s not the point of this discussion—but it does show how completely immersed you are in this NAZI fantasy world of yours. I suggest you cut back on the mushrooms!

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    , @BlackFlag
  222. @Passer by

    After 2035 they’ll all be dead anyway,😘plus all the young folks will have voted with their boots and marched off to better places

    Putin can’t win,i don’t know why people bother to defend him,he’s screwed up,simply as that

    • Replies: @FB
  223. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    No, the 737 MAX is indeed using the 286, which is a 40-year old chip. That wasn’t changed on the recertification.

    And the disaster with the MCAS system had nothing to do with the flight computer or the 286 chip—MCAS was simply a poorly thought-out system.

    In fact this kind of system is a band-aid for a basic aerodynamic problem and should never even have been used to solve that problem.

    That aerodynamic problem arose from using bigger-diameter engines, which resulted in unsatisfactory handling characteristics at certain critical phases of flight.

    To be specific it has to do with a crucial handling characteristic called stick force gradient. As you pull back on the stick [control yoke on a Boeing], the stick force is supposed to get ever larger as you nose the plane up and closer to the aerodynamic stall regime.

    What happened with those new engines is they had to be mounted forward of their normal position and when the airplane started nosing up, the large engines themselves would start contributing lift. Being considerably forward of the wing, this lift force was multiplied like a lever arm by this distance.

    All of this was enough to disrupt the stick force gradient. So that when you got to the area approaching wing stall, the stick would actually go soft, instead of progressively harder.

    This has nothing to do with chips. The MCAS system is a really really stupid idea that then takes control of the airplane, once it is nosed up, and slams the nose down, using the tail trim system.

    The entire approach is hugely problematic, and you always want to correct a poor handling quality by direct aerodynamic means, not a robotic control that jumps in and yanks the airplane out of your hands.

    I appreciate your input on hardening electronics for high altitude and space flight. Yes, this is a very big deal and it is quite technical.

    And yes, there are additional hardening measures like doping and such which you mention—but in space-bound electronics the actual circuits have to be quite big.

    There is no getting around that, because some of these energetic particles whizzing through space can be a size approaching that of some of the very small microchip circuits. Anyway, electronics is certainly not my area, but those are the basics.

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  224. @FB

    Invading Britain wouldn’t have been a cake walk,you only need to study the Dieppe Raid to see how badly things can go wrong,and it wasn’t exactly the cream of the German army the British and Canadians found themselves fighting that day

    Amphibious operations are the single most complex and challenging of all military operations

    The Soviet war was just brute force,attrition and massive amounts of dumb peasants running behind tanks

    No skill or real organization needed,just point them in the general direction of Germany and point a gun at their thick heads,and off they went,not much further motivation needed,besides most of those tanks wouldn’t even have been built without the American engineers and architects who designed then but also trained literally thousands of Soviet citizens up into skilled people

    You should look up Albert Kahn

    The biggest irony of all though was Kahn was a German Jew, 😂😂😂😂😂 although he’d moved to America at a young age,i wonder if Hitler ever knew?

    Doubtful as Stalin basically did an Orwell on Kahns work,so he basically went down the old memory hole,fairly typical though of the teenage mentally of a bunch of vicious revolutionary criminals just as guilty of genocide as their Nazi counterparts

  225. GeeBee says:
    @alwayswrite

    Those would form an added bonus, certainly:

    Es schau’n aufs Hakenkreuz voll Hoffnung schon Millionen.
    Der Tag für Freiheit und für Brot bricht an
    !

  226. antibeast says:
    @FB

    And yes, there are additional hardening measures like doping and such which you mention—but in space-bound electronics the actual circuits have to be quite big.

    Honeywell — a US defense contractor — uses its 350nm CMOS silicon-on-insulator (SOI) technology for fabricating its microprocessors for military/aerospace applications. Here’s the data sheet for its 32-bit RISC CPU called HXRHPPC:

    https://aerospace.honeywell.com/content/dam/aero/en-us/documents/learn/products/microelectronics/datasheet/HXRHPPC-Datasheet.pdf?download=true

    The monolithic, radiation hardened HXRHPPC processor is fabricated with Honeywell’s 0.35μm silicon-on-insulator CMOS (SOI-V) technology and is based on and compatible with Freescale’s PowerPC 603e™ processor. It is designed for use in radiation sensitive environments. The HXRHPPC processor operates over the full military temperature range and requires a supply voltage of 3.3V ± 0.3V.

    Honeywell’s 350nm SOI process is 70x larger than TSMC’s latest 5nm FinFET process which is now in production. So bigger is better in military/aerospace applications which is exactly opposite to that in consumer electronics.

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  227. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Thanks for the additional info. I know that some of the mission-critical satellite stuff gets quite intricate in terms of hardening, and this is a science that is constantly improving—but yes of course, the circuits are always pretty beefy.

    I should also mention that Mefobill’s point about using legacy stuff, due to the cost of qualifying and certificating new hardware for civil aircraft, is also valid.

    There is not actually much need for huge computational power, even in the most demanding aerospace applications. You are not going to be doing things like finite element modeling for big physics problems, for instance, or some other such supercomputer tasks.

    The computing requirements on an airplane flight control computer are actually fairly modest. The important part is that it works super reliably, both the hardware and software.

    Consumer stuff like phones and laptops and such is terrible in that respect. It’s about trying to throw in any possible bell and whistle in there. I don’t use 99 percent of the crap that came with my phone, and there is no way to actually uninstall it.

    Plus notice that each and every app DEMANDS access to your phone book and other ‘private’ stuff you keep on there. And also your location, lol!

    I don’t think there is necessarily anything ‘sinister’ about that, but I’m sure that anyone, given a choice, would choose NOT to go along with this. It just shows how they simply treat the consumer as cattle in a feedlot. You have no say whatsoever about how you would prefer to handle this relationship with the tech suppliers.

    But that’s a whole different story right there.

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  228. antibeast says:
    @FB

    The computing requirements on an airplane flight control computer are actually fairly modest. The important part is that it works super reliably, both the hardware and software.

    Mission-critical computing requirements such as those in the aerospace and defense industries are completely different from those in the consumer electronics industries. Russia could have used the Intel x86 CPU for its aerospace and defense industries but opted to use its home-grown Elbrus CPU for security reasons. If somebody could hack into your computer system, then a custom CPU is harder to crack.

    Consumer stuff like phones and laptops and such is terrible in that respect. It’s about trying to throw in any possible bell and whistle in there. I don’t use 99 percent of the crap that came with my phone, and there is no way to actually uninstall it.

    Consumer electronics are not built for security nor reliability, especially the software which can easily get hacked. That’s why using COTS — Commercial Off The Shelf — software for mission-critical computing requirements in aerospace and defense industries is a bad idea as all those bells and whistles found in commercial software would compromise security and reliability.

  229. FB says: • Website
    @alwayswrite

    After 2035 they’ll all be dead anyway,😘plus all the young folks will have voted with their boots and marched off to better places…

    What a complete idiot you are! It would be a real miracle if somehow you actually posted something even remotely connected to REALITY here.

    Russia is the world’s SECOND most popular destination for immigrants; the data according to the UN:

    Even Germans are immigrating to Russia:

    And now you are squawking here about military matters. First of all, you would never be accepted into the military on account of being mentally retarded.

    FYI, the Dieppe raid involved a grand total of 10,500 men.

    Operation Barbarossa was 3.8 million men.

    No skill or real organization needed,just point them in the general direction of Germany and point a gun at their thick heads,and off they went,not much further motivation needed,besides most of those tanks wouldn’t even have been built without the American engineers and architects who designed then but also trained literally thousands of Soviet citizens up into skilled people.

    Truly a massive idiot.

    No commentary is even necessary. Like I said already in my comment 207 above:

    If the Russians were so dumb that they needed ‘training’ from Americans [lol, even writing this makes one feel ridiculous], then why didn’t the Americans first TEACH themselves how to build spacecraft and ICBMs? BEFORE ‘teaching’ the Russians, lol?

    Even today, the US can’t duplicate the advanced Russian rocket engines they’ve been buying for 20 years now, even though they have the license to build it, plus 10 key technologies as part of the deal.

    Even the Chinese have been able to knock off a copy of the Russian engine technology as I noted in my comment 167 above.

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  230. BlackFlag says:
    @FB

    If the main dispute between yourself and Mefobills is whether China is running a fascist type economy similar to what Germany ran in the 1930s, analyzing Germany’s wars doesn’t seem to be too helpful. For example, if China were to invade Taiwan tomorrow and fight a war against USA, it wouldn’t change anything about how we view their current economic model.

    Ray Dalio calls China’s economic model “state capitalism.”
    Here he describes some key elements of it. I’ve highlighted phrases that seem especially relevant.

    https://www.principles.com/the-changing-world-order/#chapter6

    a) they are coming at the same time that other controls are tightening up, b) the privatizations and reforms of state-owned enterprises aren’t as fast as some people would like, c) some of the supports (like credit availability) for small- and medium-sized organizations are not as good as they are for larger state-owned enterprises (which has more to do with the challenges of getting money and credit to SMEs than with the government’s reduced intentions to foster the development of SMEs), d) the government still sometimes expects banks and companies to do uneconomic lending and directs the economy so much from the top down (because it wants to guide policy for what it believes is best for the whole), e) China coordinates with its businesses in pursuit of national goals, f) China doesn’t let some foreign companies operate on the same terms as Chinese companies in China, and g) China coordinates fiscal and monetary policy to regulate the economy to meet its objectives more than is done in the major reserve currency countries—all of which are typically unpopular with capitalist outsiders.

    Dalio supports a lot of what Mefobills is saying including the dislike of outsider financial capitalists for this system.

    Which of these would you say is inaccurate?
    The economy described is largely fascist.
    The current Chinese economy does not resemble the description.
    The 1930s German economy did not resemble the description.

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  231. @FB

    Shamir, being a personal friend of Assange and knowing the details of what happened before he sought asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy, took great exception to Karlin’s bullshit. Karlin claiming ludicrously that Assange had tried to obtain asylum in Russia—a complete LIE, wholly fabricated by this ridiculous Jewish asshat posing as a Russian.

    I think you should be wary on the Julian Assange:

    https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/02/15/the-strange-case-of-julian-assange/

    Anyway, I remember that article from this hasbara liar. It was about the supposed failure of a Russian plan to design some kind of standardized tablet for schoolchildren. Big deal. Tablets and cell phones are a dime a dozen and have nothing to do with serious technology.

    Russian teacher should ban on using tablet and cell phones from the education permantly because I personally know the children who used tablet so much usually have very weird behavior like hyberactive, nerver listen their own parents abnormally, less concentration, accidentally learn many disgusting things from ‘kid tube’, et al. I was a kid too, and I never have the behavior of the ‘watching tablet children’ despite the fact that I was a spoiled brat. I truly can not understand who the hell think about let student using the tablet all of time on math, literature, writing, speaking, et al.

  232. Seraphim says:
    @GeeBee

    A very well ‘hidden’ aspect of WW1 was the Memorandum submitted by the ‘political genius for Zionism’ Max Bodenheimer and the ‘German Committee for the Freeing of Russian Jews (‘Deutsches Komitee zur Befreiung der russischen Juden’) to the German Foreign Office in August 1914, where it proposed the insurrection of Russian Jews against Russia, in view of creating a ‘League of East European States or Federation of East European States (Osteuropäischer Staatenbund) in the territory of the former Pale of Settlement. “In this Federation Ukrainians, White Russians, Lithuanians, Esthonians and Latvians would together serve as a counterbalance to the Poles, and the Germans, and Jews would hold the balance of power between the two groupings”, making the case that eastern Jews could be Germanised. The plan got the ears of Hindenburg and Ludendorff, it fitted well with the ‘Drang nach Osten’ climate created by the ‘Pan-German League (Alldeutscher Verband)’ but it proved unpopular with other German officials, with the Zionists and Poles alike.
    Nevertheless in August 1914 military propaganda leaflets targeting the Jews of Poland were launched in Russia calling for an uprising. Russians took immediate action and evacuated the Jews to the interior (interestingly action repeated at the beginning of Barbarossa).
    Russia did not want war, although it didn’t view with equanimity the push towards the Straits of Germany and Austria, neither the budding alliance of Germany with the ‘sick man of Europe’, the Ottoman Empire.

  233. @FB

    Operation barbararossa,easy just driving tanks across flat countries,against a military morally destroyed by Stalin psycho purges,oh plus ultimately it was a total failure,so don’t be a silly boy,D Day was the real thing and you know the numbers are big for that show and unlike the silly German op D day was a total success,oh and you didn’t give me a link,bad boy!

    Blimey just over two and a half thousand German going to Russia,not exactly replacement rate is it!

    in 2019 about sixteen thousand Germans go to Switzerland,no surprise as its one of the most innovative economies in the world,unlike Russia,Austria is next about eleven thousand,and America is third with less than ten thousand,so just on those figures Russia doesn’t look to good to me,but then i dont wear reality distortion goggles

    Most migrants moving to Russia are low skilled or those given a Russian passport from Ukraine after Putin invaded,Russian replacement rate is in the gutter and in the worse case projections Russia could end up with about 135 million drunk old degenerates as about 53% of young people would leave tomorrow if they could

    Albert Kahn designed all those factories about 500!without which the Soviets couldn’t have built tanks,from tractors to tanks dual use tech basically you see,simple,plus all that millions of tons of war material from the west Lend lease,not that we in the west ever got any thanks

    Apparently the Soviets who fratenized with western seamen who delivered this stuff were all sent off to the Gulag,mainly women,shameful but what do you expect from communist

    The Black Book of Communism!!!!!!

  234. @showmethereal

    Keeping hard drugs illegal only creates a black market making huge profits, corrupting politics and law enforcement and creating huge problems of gang violence. These substances will NEVER be uninvented, so the only sane path is the health treatment path, where drugs are provided by the authorities, safe conditions for use (injecting rooms) are provided, and counseling and assistance to reduce use or cease altogether, is provided. Otherwise the War on Drugs ie the war on the poor and underclasses, will continue devastating communities forever.

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  235. Have you seen what the black market is like in Russia?

    Blimey incredible,even a black market in cheese,FFS,this is supposed to be super power and they can’t produce cheese!

    The FSB are up to their ears apparently stealing oil,its actually incredible the oil theft in Russia by its own security services,well in fact just about everyone is involved,stealing literally billions of rubles each year,mind blowing!😵

    Babies are for sale,another niche for making money

    A black market in dissertations so much for all that superior education,even Putin’s dissertation was plagiarized

    Plus its much vaunted military and technology industrial base is riddled with corruption conflicts of interest and the same old bureaucratic tendencies,oh plus massive amounts of debts which are simply
    disappeared by classifying everything as ‘ secret ‘

    About 30% of the economy operates in the ‘ black’ no wonder everything is so corrupt in Russia,but little has changed in reality since the good old Soviet days

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  236. @alwayswrite

    Let me directly address each of your points:

    No amount of ‘ land power’ will compensate for the loss of maritime trade from China if they start a war

    The only scenario for war is the issue of Taiwan, but China would just say that Taiwan is a domestic insurrection rather than a cross-border war. In doing so they’d quote Richard Nixon and the various existing UN declarations saying that Taiwan is a mere province of China.

    The US would need to recant Nixon’s policy, which would cause significant political pain inside an already fractured US – especially when people realise that conscription will likely be needed to enforce US will over China; that it’ll be a war against another superpower that can actually fight back against the US; that it’ll cost multiple trillions of dollars (“you think Afghanistan was expensive? Well, that’s just one week budget for war with China.”). The domestic debate will take months before a war authorisation is forthcoming, during which time China will be reinforcing their position in Taiwan making the occupation a fait accompli. In the meantime the US vassal states will be sitting on their hands desperately trying not to take a position just so they’re not left high and dry if the US can’t get a war authorisation.

    So, what about having the domestic debate while simultaneously resorting to a UN resolution authorising a war against China? First, any resolution would be pointless because lets face it – the US is the only country that counts and if it can’t get a domestic war authorisation then it doesn’t matter what the UN says. Also, China and Russia would certainly use their UNSC vetoes to stop any UNSC war authorisation. That means the US would need to resort to the General Assembly for a war vote overriding the SC veto. The problem for the US is:
    a yes vote will create a precedent justifying independence for all of the world’s long running insurrections – eg the Basques in Spain, Turkey/Greece, Turkey/Kurds, everywhere in Africa etc, so those votes will be really really really expensive to buy;the bribe prices will be massive even without taking into account countries with existing insurrections because a cashed-up China will be actively working on ensuring a no-vote;the leaders of every country will know that China is the rising power and the US is the erratic waning power that might ultimately abandon them – and China has a long memory;the western advanced economies will know that there’ll certainly be a global recession of a depth never seen in the modern world; and, western countries known that they’ll be expected to become combatants which would make their homeland and foreign assets legitimate targets, so they won’t be enthusiastic at all.

    Besides those goods going overland to the EU would be under a total trade embargo as a war in the Pacific would have implications for the European economy

    Hmm, force the EU to destroy their own economies and starve their people of food and jobs?? I suppose that’s one way to make friends and influence people.

    What’s going to replace those millions of tons of embargoed imports? It’s not as if europe has factories all tooled up just waiting to churn out 100’s of millions of widgets – they’ll take years to build and cause every EU country to go in to massive debt that even Rothschild might have trouble covering. Basically the US would be expecting EU states to embargo Chinese imports, and to inevitably face Chinese embargoes of their exports. I suppose that the empty BMW production lines could be retooled to make TVs, but that’ll take a couple of years. In that regard, as a thought experiment rank which trade-blocks have economies that will better withstand wartime level embargoes: US, EU, China/Russia. Now explain to the 500m people of the EU how much we thank them for their sacrifice.

    Basically china is boxed in,don’t forget the BRI is mostly maritime and China certainly doesn’t own the high seas,its actually highly vulnerable and no amount of hypersonic stuff can change geography and China’s location

    The US would certainly sling a cordon around China sea lanes, even if doing so destroyed the economies of its vassals (eg Australia and most of western Europe). In turn, China would also draw a notional cordon around US sea lanes and simply say that ships crossing that cordon will never again be allowed in Chinese waters – even if the conflict ends tomorrow. The end result is that the global merchant fleet would stay in port for the duration – entirely cutting off global sea trade.

    Suddenly land trade becomes key, and China will be in the position of rail freighting millions of tons of goods per year up through Russia on to the doorstep of Europe and sea freighting using its own flagged ships. So the US would need to blockade Europe, or Europe would need to actively side with the US. China would simply say that the goods are at the Russian border waiting for you if you want them – so more arm twisting needed by the US against its already badly suffering EU allies. Oh, those same EU allies will be on rations by then because grain etc will be incredibly expensive to import by sea (and Russia is the worlds biggest exporter of grain…), and the war hasn’t even properly started.

    The Quad+ is forming up and that reality will contain any meaningful naval strategy of China within a geo strategic and economic context,if they’re stupid enough to try something they’ll end up defeated

    Ah yes, the new “Quad”. I’m afraid you’ve bought in to the propaganda on this one. The quad consists of: Japan, which by its own Constitution can only have a self-defence force, so we can safely assume they’ll stay home and watch – especially as there’s a real risk of a war directly between two superpowers going nuclear, and Japan has some experience of that;India, which shares a land border with China, so it’d need to commit their army and airforce to defending that potential front, while still defending an opportunistic attack by Pakistan. Also their command & control is so bad that they’ll probably accidentally go nuclear when some pissed-off Indian officer takes it upon himself to press the red button. It’ll be another case of thank-you-for-your-sacrifice plus a don’t-get-well-soon note from Pakistan.Oh, lets not forget the forth member of the ‘quad’, Australia. At a government level, Australia will be the most enthusiastic to act as a bullet shield for the US when it comes time to land on the beaches of Taiwan. However, it has an economy that deliberately destroyed its manufacturing sector and is now almost entirely dependent on exporting minerals and importing manufactured goods to/from guess where – China. It’ll be ironic that all the iron ore it sells to China will return to them via Chinese weapons platforms. Australia has a modern military but of such a tiny scale that a single bad day in the South China Sea could sink its entire fleet. As for its army, well, Australia jumped on to the special-forces bandwagon so it could be a satrap for the US in Afghanistan without breaking the bank. While it appears to be pretty good at shooting unarmed Afghani farmers, if it wants to fight a superpower it’ll need to rebuild a real army and that’ll take years and conscripting young Australians who just aren’t in to that sort of thing.

    Phew, I can’t believe I typed all that, but it is a rainy evening and who watches TV these days?

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  237. @Marshal Marlow

    I can’t believe you typed it either,you should watch TV instead,lets hope it stops raining then you can do something more worthwhile

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  238. @Franz

    Putin could tell us all frankly about the condition of Biden after the “summit”. Probably that is what is terrifying the Biden- Harris WH.

  239. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Very true – which is why the Cultural Revolution was very hurtful for China. Aside from the families affected – China lost momentum on terms of scientific achievement. A lost decade…

    And how do you know anything about the Cultural Revolution?

    By being indoctrinated with propaganda in your native Singapore or Hong Kong? You’re certainly not a mainlander—although even on the mainland the corrupt Deng regime began thoroughly demonizing Mao and the CR, in much the same way that Khrushchev began demonizing Stalin.

    The reason that Chairman Mao considered the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution one of his two most noteworthy accomplishments is because it had a profound impact on the course of Chinese history.

    This was due to the educational reforms it introduced and the democratic experiment it carried out.

    The Cultural Revolution inspired the Chinese people to rise up and democratize Chinese society to an extent never before reached in human history.

    It also inspired a generation of young people outside China. College students in Europe, America, Japan, and elsewhere, like their counterparts in China, revolted against the existing order, asserted their influence on society, and had an impact on the course of world history. The world would never be the same after the Cultural Revolution.

    —Prof Dongping Han

    Before the Cultural Revolution, only a tiny percentage of children of school-going age were able to go to middle school and high school. An even smaller number of people were able to go to college. Most people who were able to go to college came from privileged families.

    The majority of people were deprived of middle school and high school education, let alone a college education.

    Look, higher education is the BACKBONE of upward mobility for ordinary folks from humble beginnings. You cannot have either science or technology or an aerospace or nuclear industry or any of the characteristics of national strength without first having educated people.

    And many of the best educated people come from the ordinary worker class. If you shut them out of the ladders of upward mobility, your country is doomed. That’s what China was like before the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution. And that’s what Scumbag Deng’s regime quickly reverted to—along with massive corruption on a criminal scale.

    I have talked here briefly about how this worked during the massive educational buildup in Stalin’s Russia, see my comment 151 above.

    …in this era in the country there was an unprecedented in the history of mankind the rise of many millions of people from the very bottom of society into masters, engineers, teachers, doctors, artists, officers, scientists, writers, directors.

    Our own host here, Ron Unz, fits this mold. He came from a humble family and working-class single mother and was given a chance to attend the country’s top university [Harvard], based on his own merit, not his family’s bank account. He became someone and something because such opportunities existed—not by mere chance or by some ‘magic’ of the ‘free market,’ but by a conscious plan to lift up meritorious young folks by giving them an education.

    As The Russian writer Zinoviev noted above, that happened to MILLIONS of families during the Stalin era—which is why his mother kept a portrait of him on her wall.

    There is much more to the Cultural Revolution, but this educational reform was the centerpiece. I suggest you read the article by prof Han I linked to. He lived through Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution. He now teaches at a US university, but his writing is uncommon, in terms of historiography, in that it is based on LIVED experience.

    The Iranian writer Ramin Maziheri also has an excellent eight-part series on the Cultural Revolution up on the Saker’s blog, and he also draws heavily from prof Han.

    And there is also prof Han’s excellent 2008 book: The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village

    You will do yourself a great service by spending a few hours with these resources. Prof Han is a delight to read—a simple man full of joie de vivre and a deeply honest writer.

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  240. @GeeBee

    my own monograph (short book really) on the subject of National Socialism, which I was commissioned to write three years ago.

    Thanks for your various posts on National Socialism, GeeBee.

    Is your monograph/short book available today ?

    I will purchase a copy if so.
    Alternatively maybe Ron Unz would publish it here ?

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  241. FB says: • Website
    @Marshal Marlow

    Thanks for your interesting commentary. Just one note about your UN comments regarding authorizing a US war against China.

    Also, China and Russia would certainly use their UNSC vetoes to stop any UNSC war authorisation.

    That means the US would need to resort to the General Assembly for a war vote overriding the SC veto.

    I don’t believe this is possible. A UNGA vote consisting of two-thrids majority vote of the UN members CAN override a Security Council action—BUT, this is only possible in terms of peaceful action, not war.

    For instance, if the UNSC passes a resolution authorizing military force for some kind of enforcement. [This is of course unlikely, considering that the five veto powers are generally on opposite sides on any contentious international issue].

    But let’s say hypothetically that it happens, and the major powers are now authorized to take some kind of enforcement action. If the UNGA then passes a two-thirds vote against such use of force, then the UNSC resolution is null.

    But this, to my knowledge, does not work the other way around—to push through a use of force resolution that has been rejected by the UNSC.

    The reason it can work in the first instance is because of the General Assembly Uniting for Peace Resolution 377 of 1950, which provides for such a scenario. Obviously, passing a war resolution is not in the spirit of this ‘peace’ resolution—but in fact the opposite.

    In any case, the US has previously shown itself not to care about getting UNSC authorization for force. They didn’t bother when they attacked and bombed Yugoslavia in 1999, nor when they invaded Iraq in 2003.

    They did get a resolution [by getting the Medvedev-led Russia to abstain] for a no fly-zone over Libya in 2011, but they badly abused both the intent and letter of that resolution to do much more than just ensure no Libyan airplanes could fly—viciously bombing the country for months [without any Libyan aircraft in the air], and even using their terrorist proxies on the ground to murder Gadafi and overthrow the government.

    So that is three illegal wars of aggression in just the last two decades alone. And we remind here that a war of aggression is the ‘crime against peace,’ the ULTIMATE war crime under the Nuremberg standard.

    But despite all of this, the US has shot its bolt and is now circling the drain—economically, politically, military. The US today is like the Ottoman Empire around the turn of the 20’th century, the ‘sick man of Europe.’

    Russia has leaped ahead by decades in deadly military technology, which, at the end of the day, is the ultimate decider, as it always has been in history. We saw this play out just recently with the US provocations in Ukraine, where the US humiliatingly backed off after Russia showed its teeth.

    President Putin recently gave a sound bite that was heard around the world…’Russia will BREAK THE TEETH’ of those who would try to harm it.

    China has already buried the moribund US Ponzi economy, which is nothing but smoke and mirrors, and has now been deflated [probably intentionally to prevent a financial meltdown] with months-long shutdowns blamed on the virus.

    Even together with Europe and Japan, the G7 is now only one third of the world economy. There can be no more living off the ‘avails’ that the imperialist west has become used to for the last several hundred years.

    The world is at an inflection point today and a new global order is emerging, one where the declining west will be increasingly marginalized.

    Even now, its main ‘strength’ is mostly that of propaganda, by way of its extensive and aggressive media—and also that of influencing official bodies by means of corruption, like the OPCW chemical weapons watchdog, the Olympic committee and such like.

    As the west sinks inevitably into its morass, all of these levers of power will drop off like leprous fingers and limbs.

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  242. antibeast says:
    @FB

    The world is at an inflection point today and a new global order is emerging, one where the declining west will be increasingly marginalized. As the West sinks inevitably into its morass, all of these levers of power will drop off like leprous fingers and limbs.

    Hats off to you for expressing the zeitgeist of the times.

    The West (and Japan) — as represented by the G7 — no longer enjoys a monopoly on military power, political influence, industrial technology, scientific knowledge and intellectual capital. The non-West, led by China, Russia, Iran and others, are moving forward with the creation of a new international order which would marginalize the West led by the USA but would ironically enough benefit the two leading industrial economies of the G7 — Germany and Japan — much more than the rest of the West whose fate would depend on how they accommodate themselves to this new international order. The USA will suffer the most from the decline and fall of its Empire whose fate now resembles that of the former Soviet Union before its collapse in 1991.

    Here’s Putin describing how the USA is following in the footsteps of the Soviet Union:

    PUTIN: “You know what the problem is? I will tell you as a former citizen of the former Soviet Union. The problem of empires is that they think they are so powerful they can afford small errors and mistakes. We will buy these (people), bully those, make a deal with those, give necklaces to some, threaten others with battleships. And this will solve all the problems. But problems accumulate and there comes a time when they can no longer de dealt with. And the United States, with great determination, is following right in the Soviet Union’s footsteps.”

    • Agree: FB
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    , @alwayswrite
  243. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Indeed. There can no longer be any illusions about the west’s place in the emerging world order—a secondary role, at best.

    China and Russia are FULLY INTENT on restoring the world order of international law, as embodied by the United Nations—which order came about by CONSENSUS after the heroic defeat of the forces of fascism and imperialism.

    Unfortunately, the US exploited the postwar situation, which saw it left as world’s foremost industrial and commercial power, to actually institute a new kind of imperialism—supplanting the British Empire and expanding greatly on that concept of extracting wealth and ‘tribute’ from the world at large.

    China and Russia did NOT want this kind of world order. For that matter, neither did FDR, who was deeply anti-imperialist and whose stated goal was to dismantle the British Empire.

    What China and Russia wanted then is what they want now—a win-win international order, based on honest dealing and non-aggression and non-coercion.

    This is where we are headed, finally, after these 70 plus years of an imperial US and its vassals extracting wealth from the world at large—by means of controlling the playing field.

    This imperialist era is nearly dead—all that remains is for China to demand to be paid in YUAN or gold for all of the goods that it supplies to the US.

    Such a move is of course perfectly natural, since each and every country throughout history has demanded to be paid in REAL money like gold or silver. This was the cause of the British aggression on China known as the Opium Wars. England had bankrupted itself by having to pay silver demanded by the Chinese for their tea, silk and porcelain. Britain had no silver and had to buy it from Argentina. It was a road to bankruptcy.

    Like any bandit, they latched onto the idea of forceful robbery—forcing China to take opium, which it had outlawed, as payment—that opium conveniently grown on British plantations in its colonial possession of India. This also enriched many prominent families among the British oligarchy—in the same way as today’s American control of the global narco trade [by the CIA; see Air America for a start]

    So today China gives the US hundreds of billions in REAL MANUFACTURED GOODS, while accumulating useless US dollars that it cannot spend in its own economy to help its own people. It is the same as taking British opium one hundred years ago.

    And the US gets a free ride because China [and other countries accepting US dollars in payment] have no option but to spend those dollars on US government debt, called Treasury Bills. These do pay interest of course, but of course in dollars, so it is necessary to just underwrite more US government debt with that money.

    China right now holds THREE TRILLION DOLLARS of this useless monopoly money. Just think what it could do if that was yuan that it could spend in its own country, instead of buying T-Bills!

    So one fine day we are going to wake up and China tells the US that it is no longer accepting dollars [the opium of today]. Of course this is inevitable. Does the US accept pesos for the Boeing aircraft it sells to Mexico?

    In that single moment, the US is done!

    How does it finance its massive government deficit when nobody is buying its debt?

    Where does that missing money come from?

    It is a quick trip from there to Brazil status—the perfectly natural role of a US that has never had actual CIVILIZATION. It went from barbarism to decadence in one leap to paraphrase Oscar Wilde.

    • Agree: vox4non
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  244. @FB

    BLACK BOOK OF COMMUNISM!!!!!

    need i say more 😁

  245. @antibeast

    You link to RT!!!!!

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  246. @Marshal Marlow

    This was one of the most thorough comments that I have seen on Unz. You know your stuff.
    I will just touch on the UN issue. No UN organization is giving the US any traction with the “recognize Taiwan” story. Just last month when the WHA had it’s Covid summit the US and the ROC’s 15 diplomatic allies – along with Japan was twisting arms to allow Taiwan to be there as an “observer”. 80 nations by contrast said in effect “we are not playing this game – the UN does not recognize Taiwan nor the ROC as a state – so they aren’t invited”. Between 2008 and 2016 when the KMT was in power on the island and stuck to the One China principle – the ROC of Taiwan province was allowed as an observer.

    Same with the Olympics. The DPP government tried to get them to be allowed to compete as “Taiwan” at the 2020 Olympics. The Olympics said “you remain as Chinese Taipei or you don’t compete”. The vast majority of the world understands these acts could restart a civil war – and nobody except the US and UK want to see that. Even Japan – who wants the island broken off from China – doesn’t want a war to start because they know they would get touched too – since the US troops in Japan would be used.
    Fact is since the DPP got into office the island has lost 7 diplomatic allies to the PRC including countries in the US backyard such as Dominican Republic – Panama – El Salvador. To combat this – the US is agitating Eastern European countries like Lithuania to try to make noise on the issue – in a quid pro quo – in those nations dance with Russia. Disgusting and dangerous games.

  247. Mefobills says:
    @BlackFlag

    Bkackflag, empirically minded people have a different way of looking at the world.

    I’m noticing a lot of commentators are emotionally vested in their positions.

    An empiricist is always learning and adapting to new information.

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  248. BlackFlag says:
    @Mefobills

    I see. By the way, do you think Ray Dalio’s characterization of China’s economy as described in that passage is accurate and do you think it pretty much characterizes a theoretically fascist economy as well or are there important distinctions? Maybe there isn’t enough information on their credit system. But anyway, I guess he takes care to call China “state capitalist” rather than “fascist” for political reasons cause he obviously understands what he is talking about.

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  249. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    It all depends on the society. Southern China was involved in drug trafficking but only a tad bit. They stayed mostly in Myanmar (Burma days) and went to Hong Kong. They never dared. Kind of like when the richest man in Hong Kong’s (Li Ka Shing) son was kidnapped for ransom. One of the worst kept secrets is that he engineered it so that the mastermind – a very violent gangster – would be picked up on the mainland. In Hong Kong he would have gone to jail and still been able to direct his criminal dealings. But in the mainland – he would be subject to the death penalty… Which is what happened. He was executed by firing squad. (Kind of ironic for all the young rioters who were against the extradition bill in 2019 – too bad they don’t recall such history). So to compare – why did Hong Kong have so much violence and drug corruption – yet Singapore did not?? Singapore didn’t play that garbage. Are drugs still transshipped through Hong Kong now? Yes.. Is it like before? No! Is the gang violence there like before? No. Since the handover from the British – the violence and crime rates in Hong Kong have gone down a lot. It should be easy to see why….

    Hard drugs is like gambling… Yeah everyone is going to do it – but it adds zero value to society on any level and in fact can be draining because it is addictive. The Mainland is still right to ban it. Even now they are allowing horse racing in Hainan and Guangdong…. But no betting will be allowed. Chinese – have a deep penchant for gambling – like opium before it. It is destructive. Macao is being told that they need to diversify their economy away from gambling. And that is very wise. We shall see if it is still around in 2049 if we are all still here.

    Singapore has only allowed gambling now in a very limited fashion – and it was shocking they did at all.. Even then it is mainly to extract revenue from wealthy foreigners who visit for business or pleasure. For locals it is restrictive. That’s a wise move.

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  250. denk says:

    Trump

    MAGA

    UK ambassador to FUS
    Karen Pierce

    We cant let the chicoms escape unscathed from our covid attack !
    We don’t want to wake up one day and find that there’r Chinese setting standards on things like AI and cyber,”

    [MORE]

    BIden

    China 2030 ?
    Over my dead body

    FUKUS couldnt compete with the Chinese fair and square , so how ?
    They do what they do best,,,,…sabotage.

    They’ve thrown everything at the chicoms now,

    trade war, tariff.
    Global Chinese exclusive act
    [friend or foe, no deals with the chicoms or else],
    TAM, Tibet, Xinjiang , HK destabisations
    bird flu, swine flu, army worms, SARS2…

    Yet China is still standing;.

    What’ll they think of next…?

    They do what they do best, mud slinging.

    FUK opens tribunal to investigate UIghurs genocide.

    FUS prez orders intel to investigate [sic] nail the chicoms for covid in 90 days

    .
    NO sooner than BIden issued that order when hey presto, they trotted out tons of emails to finger WIV !
    MInd you, those are FOIAed material, no less, sounds like serious stuff 😉

    Coincidentally,
    this is the time of the year when FUKUS have been commermorating ‘TAM MASSACRE’ since 1989

    Just the other day, Pompass was frothing at the mouth ranting on UIghurs genocide, wuflu and…
    TAM ‘massacre’

    One would’ve thought , after thirty years and tons of expose, MOST people ought to know the truth about TAM by now?

    Think so ?
    You didnt reckon with CIA/MI6 might wurlitzer !

    Take a look at this….especially the comments.
    https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/06/04/search_engine_tiananmen/

    OMFG,
    Couldnt get pass the third post,..

    FUKUS,
    Hubris, deceit, hypocrisy personified.

  251. Mefobills says:
    @BlackFlag

    There are important distinctions, and parallels to my eye.

    The first distinction is that China’s hierarchy is deeper than Mussolini’s Italy or even NSDAP Germany.

    Here is Dalio observing this:

    As far as how the governance structure works (i.e., who reports to whom in the hierarchy within the central government and how that extends down to interactions with regional and local governments), that has evolved over thousands of years and many dynasties into well-developed approaches that I won’t get into because the digression would be too great. However what is clear is that there are well-established structures in which the emperor has ministers who are responsible for different domains that extend down to interacting with the provinces and municipalities via a large bureaucracy,

    Parallels are movement toward an iron law truism: The true nature of money is law.

    There is no getting around iron law stated above.

    Fascism is the bringing of the monetative sphere under control of the law, or “state” as is the case with China. Banking corporations become part of the public commons. It looks to me that China accidentally kept their state banks after Tianaman Square Incident. So, China’s fascism is something they backed into somewhat as an accident of history. Nobody can say with a straight face, that Oligarchs or Corporate power controls China’s political leadership.

    Germany, Italy, and now China all had a conflict between capital and labor, and the populations were restive. Capital was taking sordid gain on labor.

    The American revolution was the same thing, where there was an attempt at enclosing the land and forcing the Colonials to use BOE money. The Colonials had previously invented Industrial Capitalism and were at odds with London finance capital.

    In a nutshell, the final evolution of economy is a form of fascism. The Colonials were moving in that direction, but were diverted by history. Final evolution for the general welfare is mixed economy, where State Credit channels in accordance with political goals set in advance. Law done in advance, and out in the open, has the best chance to have morality encoded. Sunshine is the best disinfectant. China does their civilizational planning in the open.

    The final evolution is not Marxism, but Fascism. There has to be some civilizational planning, but not Gosbank type control over every sphere of the economy. Marx was wrong, as China learned the hard way.

    China is screwing up some, as I have noted here at Unz, by allowing a layer of private banks to re-hypothecate block loans from the state banks. This then has pushed a housing bubble. China has to fix this asap, and learn how to erase mounting private debts. A layer of private banks is not fascist, but then again NSDAP Germany also allowed private banks to exist.

    NSDAP Germany screwed up because they did not have the deep hierarchy that China has, and some of the Junker class acted as malefactors undermining the state. The malefactors were jealous of losing their cat-bird seat in the economy.

    NSDAP type fascism was in many way more advanced than China, especially with their using coupons and other non usurious methods to channel purchasing power and lifting up labor power and industry.

    Italy, NSDAP Germany, and now China were all groping for solutions to problems. Those solutions all lead to the same place.

    People don’t want to hear that Fascism, or Germany’s national socialism was an advanced form of economy and organizational hierarchy, but if you are empirical in your approach, then that is the conclusion.

    There is actually enough information on China’s credit system when doing a 1000 foot view. One of China’s secrets is the releasing of debts aimed at industry. China prunes laggard state sponsored companies, and then tells said laggards, “you don’t have to pay back your loan.” The effect is convert debt Yuans into debt free Yuans. Said Yuans are no longer required to return to a debt ledger. Debt free goes on to become savings, and is no longer credit, but money. This money can then pay private debts.

    China’s building of ghost cities was “pump priming” where new Yuans met new physical infrastructure, and then said Yuans would then be in the money supply to exchange for dollars won in mercantile trade. This was done by direct spending from the state.

    Fascism has lots of policy tools in their tool-kit. So, the economies can look different up-close, but from a 1000 foot view, they are doing the same things.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag, AltanBakshi
    • Replies: @antibeast
    , @GeeBee
  252. @Lemming

    Australia’s shipping lanes lead to its main customer (by a very large margin) China. We send over 600 million tons of iron ore to China every year. Is that a surprise to anybody? China produces around a thousand million tons of steel a year, over half the steel produced in the world.

    If Australia was mad enough to join in a US war of aggression against China, why would we have to try to sink the ships carrying our exports? We could just sanction ourselves for the Yanks. At present, the Australian government is complaining that China is sanctioning Australia. We want to stop exporting to them? Pull the other one.

    For Australia, the USA is an unimportant market and China is a massive one. In addition, the USA is trying to hide behind superpowers like Australia and the Philippines. Does that tell you anything?Nobody will fight the USA’s war against China for them. [email protected]

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  253. Seraphim says:
    @showmethereal

    @it should be easy to see why

    It is right smack in the center of Hong-Kong: ”Liaison Office of the Central People’s Government in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region” at ‘The Westpoint, 160 Connaught Road West, Sai Ying Pun, Hong Kong’.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  254. antibeast says:
    @FB

    Such a move is of course perfectly natural, since each and every country throughout history has demanded to be paid in REAL money like gold or silver. This was the cause of the British aggression on China known as the Opium Wars. England had bankrupted itself by having to pay silver demanded by the Chinese for their tea, silk and porcelain. Britain had no silver and had to buy it from Argentina. It was a road to bankruptcy.

    That’s the official narrative blaming England for the ‘Opium Wars’ as approved by the British Oligarchy. The actual reality was a different story. England had become the richest country in the world by the time of the Opium Wars as the Industrial Revolution turned it into the world’s largest exporter of cotton textiles, eclipsing India which had become its colony. The British East India Company (EIC) which made its fortunes exporting Indian cotton textiles to England now had to import English cotton textiles to India for which it was paid in silver. With the collapse of its tax revenues from the demise of Indian cotton textile industry, the EIC had become bankrupt which then resorted to growing opium in Bengal which it had turned into a state monopoly as early as 1790.

    The British EIC was having problems maintaining its colony in India whose cotton textile industry used to be the world’s largest before being destroyed by English cotton textile imports. Moreover, the British EIC needed silver to pay for Chinese goods to be exported to England. After the Qing Dynasty banned the opium trade, the British EIC (together with other British merchants such as Jardine Matheson) then bribed the English Parliament into authorizing the Opium Wars after the Lin Zexu incident.

    England didn’t need the Indian opium trade as it became wealthy from its own English cotton textile industry. The problem was India, specifically the British EIC which eventually surrendered its Indian possessions to the British Raj which then officially turned India into a British Crown Colony. In return, the British Government had to pay the stockholders of the British EIC from tax revenues collected by the British Raj which lasted for decades after the dissolution of the British EIC!!!

    The official narrative covers up this little known story because the powers-that-be wants to protect the identity of the British Oligarchy whose wealth came from the Indian opium trade. The powers-that-be also ‘white-washes’ the role of the British Oligarchy in the transatlantic African Slave Trade which the Woke Left now wants to blame on dirt-poor immigrants from Europe to America. After gold and silver which was extracted by Indio slaves from the mines in the Americas, African slaves were the most lucrative commodity during the 17th and 18th century. THAT’s the hidden story which the Woke Left wants to hide from the public.

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  255. antibeast says:
    @alwayswrite

    So what! Care to respond to Putin’s comments about the USA following the footsteps of the former Soviet Union?

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  256. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    China is screwing up some, as I have noted here at Unz, by allowing a layer of private banks to re-hypothecate block loans from the state banks. This then has pushed a housing bubble. China has to fix this asap, and learn how to erase mounting private debts. A layer of private banks is not fascist, but then again NSDAP Germany also allowed private banks to exist.

    That’s a misconception. China does NOT allow private banks because its banking/financial system is 99% OWNED and CONTROLLED by the State, from the PBoC down to the Credit Unions. The problem is China’s shadow banking system which consists of private trust companies taking in investor capital in the form of wealth management products. The biggest example of this phenomenon is Jack Ma’s ANT Financial which is the Fintech equivalent of those private quasi-banks.

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  257. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    In a nutshell, the final evolution of economy is a form of fascism… The final evolution is not Marxism, but Fascism… Marx was wrong, as China learned the hard way.

    Quite right. I have written before how the inescapable destiny of Finance Capitalism is to ‘decay’ into Communism. It is not too far fetched to say that we can already observe this in the contemporary USA, and especially so now that the ‘aberrant’ Trump has been disposed of.

    The main obstacle to the West avoiding this fate, and emulating China by embracing a form of Fascism is, of course, the profound and poisonous misconception that ‘the people’ have been carefully trained to hold regarding this excellent socio-economic political system. They have been programmed, through relentless lies and propaganda, into doing their (((masters’))) work for them, by dutifully hissing and spitting whenever the pantomime villain of ‘Fascism’ is so much as mentioned.

    There is perhaps no more ludicrous sight than that of the massed ranks of unwitting dupes who are actually proud to call themselves ‘Antifa’, which is of course a condensed form of ‘anti-fascism’. These people are violent thugs, unwittingly acting in support of the very people who oppress them, set them on a treadmill, and suck the life-blood out of them from the moment they are born until they die. They are worse than mere lackeys and lickspittles, because they actually believe they are ‘countering oppression’, when in reality they are acting in support of it. They are dupes and fools, channelling youthful ardour and passion in misdirected support of those psychopathic oligarchs who care nothing for suffering and who do not hesitate to bring about societal destruction if it makes them another billion or two. The massed ranks of ‘Antifa’ do this, of course, by perpetuating the quarantine into which victorious Finance Capitalism cast Fascism in 1945. How their master must smile each time Antifa takes to the streets!

    You have spoken before (and attracted the inevitable storm of criticism for doing so) of the true purpose of ‘the camps’. What other method is left to us? Adolf Hitler recognised their necessity.

    • Agree: Mefobills
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  258. GeeBee says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Thanks Arthur. Sadly, the website I used to write for was ‘de-platformed’ two years ago. At the time my ‘book’ was published, however, Mark Collett was sufficiently impressed to show it to David Duke, who in turn urged me to get it out to a wider audience. (Incidentally, I just love Wikipedia’s first words upon Mark: ‘(He) is a British far-right neo-Nazi anti-semitic conspiracy theorist’. Wow – four imprecations of evil delivered in the space of just nine words! It not only shows how desperate they are to keep the lid on the whole subject, but also just how much of an uphill struggle lies ahead.)

    Anyhow, having gone down the National Vanguard/National Alliance route (they asked a fellow moderator if I could forward a sample of my work to them) and then tried other sites, all seemed to think it was too risky to run such a lengthy work that pulled no punches and was unambiguous in support of National Socialism. Unsurprisingly, this being the ‘Free World’ and all that!

    What I’d like is to find out whether Ron might give at least some of it an airing. I would, in any case, be keen to incorporate some of Mefobill’s excellent insights into economic theory into it – the finer points of which I admit I had not quite grasped three years ago – before any such ‘resurrection’ of the work.

    If there were to be any obvious interest among the Unz commentariat, I’d certainly give it another airing. Failing that, I could at least email the component parts to you, should you have one of those ‘disposable’ email addresses that you could reveal on here.

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  259. @GeeBee

    Thanks, GeeBee, and sorry (but not surprised) to hear of the so-far fate of your work.

    Saying “so-far” in the expectation that it will reach the audience you anticipate. We are in a sort of cusp in the “free west” (lol) as the wretched forces of “democracy” falter and people begin to look for real answers. I have been convinced since maybe ten/twelve years ago that such answers and solutions lie in National Socialism/Fascism, however constructed or by whatever name, as we see today in China for example.

    Mefobill’s acute/clear economic reasoning will be a most valuable theme to add in, but no doubt your paper as it presently stands would be of immense interest here at Unz and perhaps our excellent host would feature it. Perhaps it could be a sort of first edition with a revised edition following which would incorporate Mefobill’s observations …

    Either way I’m looking forward to reading your work and think to be just one of very many. Thanks again, and for the email offer which is most generous.
    Hoping to get back to you on that if serious obstacles persist. Best wishes.

    Am Ende steht der Sieg.

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  260. @antibeast

    Wishful thinking on behalf of Putin he’s just a very bitter man who can’t come to terms with the failure of the Soviet system,he should concentrate in getting his own house in order before blather about America

  261. Mefobills says:
    @antibeast

    Let’s call it private actors in China, who took out block loans and rehypothecated them to push housing prices.

    At source, the original loan was from the state bank. The private actors are shadow banking. Fintech is a problem too, which I am glad China is putting a stop to.

    Below is a comment discussing Chinese regulatory changes. I’m not seeing any update to the regulatory changes to fix the land taxation problem (and block loan) that led to China’s housing bubble:

    https://www.unz.com/ldinh/from-communism-to-remembering-the-holocaust-in-tirana/#comment-4500041

    Sounds like you’re entirely correct in your comparison of NSDAP German banking and monetary policy with that of modern day China. So simple, and yet so effective and so beneficial to the common man. This should be the model for every nation. It would not be popular with (((our private banking friends))), and their control of western governments is completely responsible for the vilification of China. The Chinese are aware of this, and at present there’s a snowball’s chance in hell that the pragmatic Chinese Communist Party will EVER let the (((banking friends))) have more than joint venture retail banking operations in China.

    The People’s Bank of China (PBOC) is China’s central bank, which formulates and implements monetary policy. The PBOC maintains the banking sector’s payment, clearing and settlement systems, and manages official foreign exchange and gold reserves. It oversees the State Administration of Foreign Exchange (SAFE) for setting foreign-exchange policies.
    According to the 1995 Central Bank law, PBOC has full autonomy in applying the monetary instruments, including setting interest rates for commercial banks and trading in government bonds. The State Council maintains oversight of PBOC policies.
    China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) was officially launched on April 28, 2003, to take over the supervisory role of the PBOC. The goal of the landmark reform is to improve the efficiency of bank supervision and to help the PBOC to further focus on macroeconomic and monetary policy.
    According to the official Announcement by CBRC posted on its website, the CBRC is responsible for “the regulation and supervision of banks, asset management companies, trust and investment companies as well as other deposit-taking financial institutions. Its mission is to maintain a safe and sound banking system in China.”

    By not taxing the rental value of land properly, China has allowed a housing bubble, especially in the big cities. NSDAP Germany had a special commission on housing, to make sure that labor had low cost and high quality housing to live in.

    Link below is Hudson describing how Chinese women will not marry a man unless he inherited an apartment from his parents. His parents in turn, had former debt free communist housing that went up in price with no counterpart in wealth production. I consider this a warning shot across the bow, where China needs to take action.

    Who is going to get the rental value, the banks who hypothecate the loan by bidding up prices, or the government who taxes it away with Georgist style taxes, to then re-spend into the base of the population?

    So, even a State, if it has bad policy can create housing bubbles, which is what has happened.

    Germany was acutely aware of land price bubbles, given their experience with hyperinflation:

    For example, to shore up food production, Germany released debts on farmers, created incentives for women to return the homelife, and paid German youth to go work on the farms, especially during harvest season:

    Reichsnährstand law, Sept. 1933, not only arranged for a substantial reduction in property taxes for farms, but wiped the slate clean on indebtedness. It is important to not let debts accrue, which is a mistake China is making, especially private debts.

    Landhilfe (Rural Assistance), recruited approximately 120,000 unemployed young people to help work farms. The government financed their salaries, training and housing. It also arranged for temporary employment on farms for school graduates and students on summer break. The Landhilfe permitted foreigners living in Germany, primarily Poles, to enter the program.

    Housing planners sited many new settlements of single family homes in rural areas where residents took up farming. The government provided interest-free loans and grants for the purchase of farm implements along with special marriage loans for newlyweds. The debts were to be forgiven
    after the family had worked the farm ten years.

    Germany also had labor laws that China would do well to emulate:

    The Reich’s Ministry of Labor published a table of offenses under the category of unjust exploitation of employees. These included paying salaries below fixed wage scales or failure to compensate workers for overtime, refusing to grant employees vacations, cutting back hours, providing insufficient meals, inadequate heating of work stations, and maintaining an unhygienic or hazardous work environment. Supervisors were even disciplined for browbeating their staff to work harder.

    Industry in Germany focused on housing construction, improving working conditions for labor, public works, consumer goods, and KdF automobile and ship-building programs. These projects consumed large quantities of materials such as metals, rubber and timber, and employed a significant percentage of skilled labor. Qualified tradesmen, engineers and technicians were unavailable for the arms industry. One German historian, (Klüver, Max, Den Sieg verspielt, p. 94) “In the six-and-a-half years until the outbreak of the war, the German economy achieved enormous success. But the result of these huge endeavors remained relatively small for the armed forces, in the face of demands from the civilian sector.”

    (So much for Germany intending war!)

    From 1000 feet, China’s economy is Fascist, but they still have more to do. The Housing situation was addressed in Germany because it related to regeneration of the population. K selected type humans will not reproduce if they think their future conditions are likely to be bad.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride
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    , @antibeast
    , @Malla
  262. Mefobills says:
    @GeeBee

    You have spoken before (and attracted the inevitable storm of criticism for doing so) of the true purpose of ‘the camps’. What other method is left to us? Adolf Hitler recognised their necessity.

    You can see the demoralization of some of the UNZ readers, who cling to their emotionally formed memories with tenacity. No amount of facts can dissuade them from their opinions, ridiculous as they are —– shrunken heads, etc.

    The “reeducation camps” in China’s Uighur regions are exactly the same. Much of China’s population had become demoralized with Madrassa Takfiri propaganda. China was being softened up by the Atlantacists, for attack on the weak underbelly – which is the restive Muslim population.

    The very same strategy was used on Russia, with recycled petrodollars funding Madrassas and Wahabbism in Chechenia.

    The “shock” of Putin coming at Chechnia so viciously made them have a re-think about their world-view.

    Our (((friends))) have advanced understanding of propaganda means and money manipulations, and fascism is the only full-spectrum system able to counter finance capital and its string pullers.

    So, when I accuse China of not being fascist enough, that is not a denigration.

  263. FB says: • Website
    @antibeast

    Well, your version sounds pretty much like what I said, but with a little more detail.

    Bottom line is the same—England couldn’t afford to buy Chinese tea with silver, which is REAL money, and had to force opium on China instead.

    The POINT here is the parallel with the US today. China has had to take US dollars so it could build itself up. It was a developing country [and still considers itself such], so it was an unequal relationship. China had to accept US dollars.

    But the simple fact is that every country desires to be paid in its own money that it can spend that money at home. Germany and France will take only Euros for Airbus aircraft that they sells. US will take only dollars for its Boeing aircraft etc.

    This is because you cannot spend a foreign currency in your own economy.

    You can only ‘recycle’ it into APPROVED investments in the issuing economy of the currency, like Treasury Bills, which is useless.

    So the point of my analogy certainly stands completely valid: China and Britain were at first trading on equal terms, but Britain later resorted to force to get the upper hand and trade from a relationship of superior strength.

    What is happening today is that China has been accepting of its position of lesser party in the trade with the US, but will inevitably move to rejig that relationship to one of EQUALS.

    The US dollar will NOT be accepted anymore. Only Yuan or Gold.

    That is the gamechanger—and it is a BIG ONE.

  264. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Industry in Germany focused on housing construction, improving working conditions for labor, public works, consumer goods, and KdF automobile and ship-building programs.

    What UTTER BULLSHIT.

    Nazi Germany’s industry focused on building tanks and warplanes and guns and every other kind of munition and military materiel.

    By 1939 HALF of the economy was WAR PRODUCTION.

    By 1944, 75 percent of the economy was war production.

    The whole point of Hitler’s economy was WAR. And war of conquest in the east to be precise.

    You are really completely disconnected from reality, to the point that you need medical help. I can list here a number of authoritative books on Hitler’s economy that give the real picture—but you first need to get well before even engaging in discussion.

    For instance, Tooze [2006] writes that German worker incomes had risen 19 percent by 1939, but this was mostly due to longer working hours.

    And what about the millions of SLAVE WORKERS?

    How did they fit into the NSDAP economy?

    What a massive moron you are.

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  265. antibeast says:
    @Mefobills

    The Chinese shadow banking industry came of age during the Dengist Era whose laissez faire or ‘free-market’ economic policies led to the rapid growth of trust companies catering to the wealth management industry. The Chinese trust companies are the equivalent of US investment banking firms who buy/sell/trade financial instruments for wealthy families or corporations in the private capital market. The reason for their rapid rise had to do with the structure of China’s State-dominated banking/financial system which forced wealthy families and corporations to seek either higher returns for their cash or to borrow from the shadow banking sector without going through the official banking channels. What happened was that a large part of those invested capital went into the real-estate industry which became the destination of choice for wealthy families and corporations with excess capital.

    Since Xi’s ascent to power, the State has curbed this shadow banking industry by imposing regulations as well as imposing restrictions on the real-estate industry. Jack Ma then came along and created ANT Financial in order to financialize his customer and supplier base in his Alibaba e-commerce conglomerate by offering loans to both his customers and suppliers as well as provide money-market funds to his retail investors. He justified this by saying that ANT Financial was using state-of-the-art Fintech AI algorithms to score the credit-worthiness of his customers and suppliers in Alibaba. Behind this sweet-talk, however, Chinese regulators knew that Jack Ma was running a pyramid scheme of using credit in order to boost the revenue growth of his flagship e-commerce company, Alibaba, by relying on loans from Chinese State-owned banks which ANT Financial repackaged as financialized products to sell to his customers and suppliers. In short, ANT Financial was behaving like a shadow bank but on steroids. His coup de grace came when Jack Ma publicly criticized and ridiculed China’s State-dominated banking/financial industry at a Shanghai Forum which then prompted a political backlash from the State. That’s when he went into limbo for a few months and then emerged promising to invest in rural areas and help impoverished communities.

    My point is that China’s adoption of a ‘market economy’ had its positive impacts (as in fostering more economic efficiency from market competition) but also negative side-effects (as in inducing market bubbles due to excessive speculation). There are also social repercussions as winners win their cake while losers lose their cake. The idea is to balance these two forces between the State and the Market in order to serve the Nation and benefit Society. The Dengist Liberals adopted laissez faire ‘free market’ economics which served the Market well but undermined the welfare of Society as in the case of the rise of the shadow banking industry with its speculative capital fueling real-estate bubbles in China.

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  266. Malla says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Yo Arthur, check out this great find. What did Jadunath Sarkar, the eminent Indian historian had to finally conclude about the British Empire and the effect of British Civilization on the mysterious, the most ancient of lands, India?

    Interesting eh?

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  267. Malla says:
    @Mefobills

    Excellent videos about the brilliance of Third Reich economics but it had been scrubbed off by Corporate Capitalist youtube, however Marxist channels galore. No wonder the globalist elites had to crush Germany using their minions, the USA, Britain and USSR.

    I had even debunked some of Tooze’s blatant lies and his anti-German bullcrap. There is a whole bullcrap farting industry on writing propaganda aginst the Third Reich. Not surprising.

    The German War Against Globalism Part 1

    The German War Against Globalism Part 2

    • Thanks: Mefobills, GeeBee
  268. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    And what about the millions of SLAVE WORKERS?
    How did they fit into the NSDAP economy?
    What a massive moron you are.

    Thanks for playing and showing UNZ readers what demoralization looks like.

    Earlier in this thread is where I provide a link where you think NAZI’S engaged in shrinking of Jewish heads.

    You are as reliable as onebornfreedumb to provide grist for my mill.

    You actually believe that tiny little Germany, which was surrounded by the worlds largest empire (Britain), and Soviet Union (largest land mass), and had hostile France on its borders, was intent on war. Most rational people can look at a map, and look at statistics, and are able to overcome brainwashing.

    Not only did NSDAP have a peacetime economy making white goods, the allied countries were already moving to a war-time economy.

    The statistics are what they are. I will admit that MEFOBILLS were a hidden way of financing war material, but the overall economy was one of national socialism intent on lifting the welfare of the german people, and especially german labor.

    Suck it.

    To lift the general welfare also requires ejecting Jews and their perverse demoralized ideology.

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    , @FB
  269. @Malla

    Very interesting, Malla.
    There can be little doubt that overall, and particularly in unifying India, that the Empire was of huge benefit. Of course there were some negative aspects, there were some hurt feelings like on the abolition of suttee for example, some things might have been done better but overall a system of education, law, communication etc in which most Indians believed and directly individually and as a unified country benefitted.

    Only a bigot, ignorant of history, can dispute this.

    One might ask such people how might India look today and what role in the world could she play as a loose confederation or even a collection of rival and perhaps even warring mini-states, principalities, petty kingdoms etc.

    It is interesting nevertheless to speculate if Subhash Chandra Bose/INA had been successful and a National Socialist India had gained independence from a corrupt bankster regime in London … Churchill/zio War Party are nothing to admire.

    Wishing you/India well, hopefully Delhi will detach from QUAD/5 Liars etc — a false and destructive path. Friends with all neighbours is the way to go.

    Jai Hind.

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  270. antibeast says:
    @FB

    Bottom line is the same—England couldn’t afford to buy Chinese tea with silver, which is REAL money, and had to force opium on China instead.

    Except that England had a trade surplus with India due to its massive export of English cotton textiles there for which England was paid in silver which could have been used to buy Chinese tea. The problem was not England which had a trade surplus with pretty much everyone in the world but with the collapse of the Indian cotton textile industry which the British EIC could no longer tax in order to pay for its colonial enterprise. This official narrative of why England waged the Opium War against China covers up what actually transpired and who actually benefitted from the Indian opium trade, not the English in England but the British EIC in India as well as British merchants in China.

    I agree with the rest of your post regarding the viability of the USD as the world’s reserve currency, similar to what happened to the English Pound Sterling.

  271. Malla says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    There can be little doubt that overall, and particularly in unifying India, that the Empire was of huge benefit.

    True, but there were more benefits. Even Gandhi’s personal assistant had to finally agree at a ripe old age of 96 (in 2018)!! That British Empire was good.

    https://archive.is/aIscY#selection-2191.9-2201.396
    British rule was better than today’s government: Gandhi’s PA 2018

    “The British Raj was much better than present-day rulers and I would prefer a British rule to the present one,” said V Kalyanam, who was the personal assistant to Mahatma Gandhi, in Madurai on Tuesday.
    Kalyanam, now 96, said he felt the present-day rulers in the country had failed to provide the governance that Gandhiji had envisioned. “There was no corruption during the British rule and Gandhiji himself had commended their administrative excellence many times,” he said, adding that governance might have been better had the government established under Netaji’s leadership after Independence.

    It is interesting nevertheless to speculate if Subhash Chandra Bose/INA had been successful and a National Socialist India had gained independence from a corrupt bankster regime in London … Churchill/zio War Party are nothing to admire.

    That is what Mr. Kalyanam above believes too. BUT the PROBLEM is had India gone Germany style National Socialist, the Western bankers would have bombed India to smithereens. Subhash Chandra Bose, a genius (even British parliament discussions on him admitted him to be a genius) no doubt had turned from a fascist to a hardcore National Socialists after seeing what good Adolf Hitler had achieved for the German people. But what chance was there the Globalist Satanic elite would have allowed a Bose run N.S. India? We would have been bombed and destroyed like how Germany was destroyed.
    We were given only two options after WW2 either American style Corporate Financial Capitalism or Soviet Style brutal Communism. We still chose a third path somehow and but destroyed our nation by following the principles of Jewish Marxist Communist -Zionist scumbag monkey Harold Lansky. If there is one country where the economic principles of Harold Lansky was applied, it was Independent India, Indian economy post 1947 was essentially a Lanskian economy. Indian “freedom fighters” were all disciples of Lansky. And the India which was growing on average of 5% during the British Raj was now growing only 2%, the “Hindu rate of growth” till 1991, when we became essentially bankrupt.
    I know that Park Chung Hee, the leader of South Korea who was responsible for the Miracle on the Han river and thus South Korea’s success openly called himself a National Socialist and got away with it. He admired Germany openly and also Japan. But what Park Chung Hee did was the completion of the Meiji Restorification process of South Korea what the Japanese Empire had earlier started there, though his job was not totally completed, a little was still left before he died. India needed either National Socialism or someone to complete the White Man’s Burdenisation process of India which the British Empire started but it was not completed, India ejected the Empire too early, something many Indian leaders had warned against. India needs an Indian Park Chung Hee. So with Pakistan. Pakistan is nothing but Mughal India where a small number of landlord elites run the country. Just like before the British Empire India, i.e. Mughal-Maratha India, 70% of Indian wealth was just controlled by about just 650 to 700 elite families. Pakistan is basically Mughal India today and thus a basket case unless maybe CPEC will rescue them.

    One might ask such people how might India look today and what role in the world could she play as a loose confederation or even a collection of rival and perhaps even warring mini-states, principalities, petty kingdoms etc.

    Very interesting question. But it is very hard to predict alternative history. Maybe the coastal states in touch with European weaponry and trade would have conquered the interior states. Or India might have been taken over by some other European power or a collection of powers. Which would have meant that India would have been divided at independence like Africa. One Colonial power taking over most of the country allowed India to be more united at independence unlike Africa.

    Anyways Thanks. Jai Hind and Rule Britannia.

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  272. Malla says:
    @alwayswrite

    Plus its much vaunted military and technology industrial base is riddled with corruption conflicts of interest and the same old bureaucratic tendencies,oh plus massive amounts of debts which are simply

    Dude I agree with you on a lot of things but the American Military system is way more corrupt. When the Pentagon is audited, they regularly find budgetary holes in billions. There was even a Rabbi running the Pentagon, if I am not mistaken. God have mercy on the USA. The Russians have the ability to build effective weapon systems for far cheaper then the West. Check out the disaster that is the new American fighter plane Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II. The thing is a disaster when it comes to maintenance and costs. And this is going to be shared by many American allies!!!! That is why Russia is far more effective than it would seem via their much smaller military budget than the USA.

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  273. GeeBee says:
    @Mefobills

    If ‘FB’ isn’t actually a kike, he’s certainly setting himself up for a ‘shabbos goy-of-the-year award’. He either knows and lies, or he sucks up the narrative like a GG.

    • Agree: Mefobills
  274. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    Look MEATBALL,

    You’re quacking here about shrunken heads and ‘demoralization’ blablabla adds up to PRECISELY NOTHING. It is simply empty rhetoric that you use to COPE!

    You actually believe that tiny little Germany, which was surrounded by the worlds largest empire (Britain), and Soviet Union (largest land mass), and had hostile France on its borders, was intent on war.

    Unbelievable!

    David Irving, the definitive biographer of Hitler, and also considered a ‘revisionist’ historian that is often cited by the various Hitler fanboys here, wrote voluminously about Hitler’s lifelong ambition for conquest in the east:

    The focus of my research fell on his years of power; and from 3rd February 1933, when Hitler tells his generals in secret of his ambition to launch a war of imperial conquest in the east as soon as Germany is able, the detail thickens and the colour becomes enriched.

    …as Trevor -Roper has rightly observed, the central purpose of Hitler’s foreign policy remained constant throughout his career: a campaign of conquest in the east.

    And when all Hitler’s secret speeches are analyzed , using reliable source materials, this is quite clear…

    …he stated this objective in his speech of 3rd February 1933 [pages 28-9], and on numerous subsequent occasions.

    I have located without much difficulty the records of many more secret “programme” speeches by Hitler, proving this consistency of aim: on 21st January 1938, on page 67 [One day, the entire world …”]

    …on 28th May 1938 [page 101]; on 15th August 1938 [pages 123-4]; and of particular interest, several speeches delivered by Hitler in secret to senior officers during January, February and March 1939 – and recorded on discs – during which he made it quite plain that Nazi Germany was inevitably steering towards war [pages 173-6].

    These speeches of pivotal importance, have been neglected by Hitler’s biographers – either because they had not been identified and listed in convenient archive catalogues; or because the biographer did not set foot in foreign archives anyway; or because the speeches have not yet been translated into English.

    German writers have even lamented – e.g. in the annotations to Tagebücher eines Abwehroffiziers [Stuttgart 1970] – that no transcripts of the speeches exist: well they do, and I have quoted some of their more important lines.

    —David Irving, The War Path: Hitler’s Germany 1933-1939.

    So throughout his ENTIRE career, all Hitler ever talked about, dreamed about, and planned for was a war of conquest in the east?

    Yet in your MEATBALL head, ‘tiny little’ Germany was ‘not intent’ on war?

    You do realize that being unable to distinguish reality from FANTASY is the definition of PSYCHOSIS?

    The commenter Levtraro neatly summed up you Nazi clowns with this comment:

    The most important fact about Nazis and their still living residues is that theirs is an ideology of losers, mediocre half-cooked bullshit that can only convince the stupidest and weakest of white people.

    I believe the Nazis are the biggest losers of all of history. Has there been any other greater defeat in history than the defeat suffered by Germany 1943-1945? Perhaps Japan 1942-1945? To this day Germany (and Japan) is a nation of eunuchs, totally tamed and neutered.

    This is what you keep dishing up here—mediocre, half-cooked bullshit.

    Here is a typical Nazi loser stirring up shit among normal folks:

    Like you, Meatball, this clown is unable to articulate anything coherent when quizzed by normal people.

  275. @Seraphim

    Very astute observation. It’s so hilarious how the western media portrays Hong Kong as some model city under the British. It was the Asian NYC…. They even had a stand in for the Puerto Ricans – the Vietnamese boat people. Sure you could get rich in Hong Kong – if you were aggressive enough – but Hong Kong was full of corruption at the upper end – and street gangs at the lower end. Even some Hong Kong crime films were making those jokes in the late 80’s and early 90’s that after 1997 play time would be over for crime. And so it was. The British had an anti corruption drive in the police back in the 70’s. A complete joke!
    Another joke is how westerners say “oh the rich corrupt communists use Hong Kong to launder money they pilfer”. Yes that was absolutely true — until Xi started his crackdown. But the laughable part is that the medium to do such things were there because under the British – Hong Kong was the place to launder money and hide illegal revenue for all of Asia – and frankly anywhere else in the British Empire. Even corrupt African warlords in former British colonies had huge stashes in Hong Kong (and might still now…). A complete attempt to white wash history.

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    , @GomezAdddams
  276. @FB

    Everyone can understand your wish, FB, to post up that vdo.

    A non-event hyped-up “news” item from America …
    Of no relevence or importance to those of us (thankfully) outside that country.

    But if one’s ‘significant other’ is featured, that would perhaps be a reason.
    You must be very proud of Tabatha, FB.
    Very erudite lady … well, by American standards anyway.
    Nice tats, too; please note I said tats and not, well you know …

    Goes to show that you’re not totally without soul or feeling.

    Bonne Chance !

  277. Seraphim says:
    @showmethereal

    I made this observation on the spot. I was in Hong-Kong at the beginning of the ‘time of trouble’ and many people were expecting that the Chinese troops garrisoned in Hong Kong would sweep through the streets Tienanmen style.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  278. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    Your character is showing.

    Ad hominems and histrionics. Cartoon LoLs.

    Atrocity propaganda works the same way as false flags.

    Weak minds lap it up.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @Malla
  279. Seraphim says:
    @GeeBee

    If you want to go deeper into the matter, you cannot pass over the oldest Warburg brothers, Abraham (Aby) of the famous ‘Warburg-Bibliothek für Kulturwissenschaft’ (created exclusively with Warburgs’ money) which became the Warburg Institute (now part of the ‘School of Advanced Study’ of the University of London).

  280. @Zarathustra

    The Imperialist model failed ___

  281. @alwayswrite

    Why doesn’ t the USA pack up and go home and fix the cities and its enemies within—–those characters in all the major cities ——-sucking in welfare and destroying the network –look at Los Angeles–San Fran —the Big Apple –Baltmore –Philly—St Louis–Minneapolis–St Paul –Portland –Seattle ——ALL are failures today compared to 40 years ago—what happened?? Now think of all the coin—what —4 Trillion fighting some cavemen in Afghanistan for 20 years and then losing–it doesn’t get much better than this for a trophy on the “Gong Show”.

  282. @showmethereal

    Hey –in the olden days under Brit Rule in Victoria Park was a sign “No dogs or Chinese” and then later in 1967 the BRITS really hammered down on the Chinese residents in Hong Kong from forming Trade Unions to get some wage parity. All this tummy rot and fiddle faddle about Human Rights and Freedom and Democracy from the Looney bin in London or the CIA’s recent renaming to National Endowment for Democracy ——-is all international terrorism —sponsored –abetted and paid for by the US of A. Money blown in Hong Kong —890 million over 20 years and NO results ——bring up that Nancy Pelosi and hand this useless box her “Gong Show ” trophy.

  283. Malla says:
    @Mefobills

    The idea that Hitler wanted to invade the East is ridiculous because Hitler himself admitted to Finnish leader Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim that his army was built for the West. So he wanted to invade the East but designed his army for the West? Right? Wow.

    The “secret” 1942 Hitler-Mannerheim tape revisited

    They (Germany and Finland and others) obviously realized the threat the Soviets posed to Central and Western Europe and a possibility of a Soviet invasion of Western and Central Europe.

    Anyways check this out. Very interesting.

    Hitler vs the Elite Cabal of International Bankers by James Perloff

    • Thanks: Mefobills
    • Replies: @FB
    , @Mefobills
  284. @GomezAdddams

    There have been some results-the traitor vermin Jimmy Lai et al, are where they belong. In gaol. I particularly hope that sweet little Joshua Wong enjoys his confinement. May it be long.

  285. @Malla

    Park was a fascist, a goon working for the Japs then the Yanks and a serial rapist-it was his hobby. The Brits lefts tens of millions dead in the Great Famines that ravaged India under their misrule. What do you reckon their opinion of English rule would be.

    • Replies: @Malla
  286. @FB

    The use of other currencies than the US petro-dollar is a casus belli for the psychopaths in Thanatopolis DC. Libya’s gold dinar and Iraq’s penchant to be paid in Euros were death to those countries and their leaders and vast numbers of their people. Which is why the USA MUST attack China, because REAL economic coercion, not the phony shite bleated about by Austfailian running-chihuahuas, has not worked. The only trumps left for the USA are military ones.

  287. FB says: • Website

    The only trumps left for the USA are military ones.

    Except the US military is a paper tiger. It would be foolish in the extreme for the US to try anything forceful against China.

    Xi has announced that China will build up its nuclear deterrent, with a target of doubling the ICBM forces. At the same time Russia is now helping China to build an early-warning missile system.

    This will likely be integrated with Russia’s own extensive missile warning system, so will benefit both countries. Said Putin:

    This is a very serious thing that will dramatically increase China’s defense capability, because only the U.S. UK and Russia have such a system now.

    [The UK system is actually part of the US early warning system and is under American control.]

    This Chinese system will likely be based on the Russian Voronezh radar system, which has over-the horizon range of thousands of kilometers.

    At a distance of 8000 km, the Voronezh radar can detect targets the size of a football

    China already has the means to defend the South China Sea from American Aggression, including a lot of deadly missiles, including hypersonic.

    The country also has extensive air defenses based on the Russian S400 system, which the US calls ‘anti-access, area denial’ zones—basically no-go zones.

    So there is really no military ‘option’ for the US. China is not Iraq or Libya.

    • Agree: antibeast, showmethereal
    • Replies: @antibeast
  288. FB says: • Website
    @Malla

    The idea that Hitler wanted to invade the East is ridiculous…

    No, what’s ‘ridiculous’ is YOU, a dumbshit Hindoo sidewalk-squatter who trots out some youtube bullshit to contradict historian David Irving and his acclaimed Hitler biography.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
    , @Malla
  289. Mefobills says:
    @Malla

    Malla, both of the Videos reveal things that fit within the growing consensus of revisionist history. Thanks.

    Revision is away from WW2 atrocity propaganda. Atrocity propaganda still lingers in the minds of the demoralized. Unfortunately, these types of people have to die off because they cannot be convinced with new facts.

    FB is a perfect example of demoralization in action. Even though he is intelligent, he cannot let go of precious held shibboleths, as he will become unmoored. Being intelligent and weak minded may exist simultaneously in one person.

    It takes enormous amounts of character and energy to re-write what you think you know, as Gee-Bee did after a lifetime of being conditioned in the British Military.

    Perloff says that what triggered him into revisionist history, was how England (Churchill and Jewish finance international behind it) treated Hess. Treating Hess that way was vicious and irrational, but not so if one considers the motives behind the jailing.

    The fear centers of the brain can take over and make people, and whole nations become irrational.

    I keep asking the question nobody is asking. How do you staff your hierarchy? If you fill it with (((Psychopaths))), then bad things will happen.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Malla
  290. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    No, what’s ‘ridiculous’ is YOU, a dumbshit Hindoo sidewalk-squatter who trots out some youtube bullshit to contradict historian David Irving and his acclaimed Hitler biography.

    There you go again with your demoralization, histrionics, and ad-hominems. You are making yourself look very bad.

    Jewish shrunken heads was a step too far, and you are further revealing your weak character.

    A fully demoralized person cannot change directions, similar to the case of onebornfreedumb, who persists despite being corrected many 100’s of times. Freedumb is more polite than you though, and less prone to flaming and cursing his ideological opponents.

    The videos fit seamlessly with the growing consensus of revisionist history, of which David Irving is a principle contributor.

    • Agree: GeeBee
  291. FB says: • Website
    @Mefobills

    FB is a perfect example of demoralization in action.

    Sure, Meatball.

    Look, instead of barfing up a lot of COPE here, you could answer one simple question:

    Is David Irving wrong about Hitler?

    Please go ahead and tell us—this is a simple yes or no question.

    It seems you have not even read this book, which is part of Irving’s biographical trilogy on Hitler.

    The War Path: Hitler’s Germany, 1933-1939

    Go and at least have a look at some of the reviews, for instance this:

    [MORE]

    Readers expecting “a kinder, gentler” Adolf Hitler from this controversial historian will be disappointed.

    This history details Hitler’s plans for war that began almost from the first day he became Chancellor of Germany.

    So either Irving is wrong, and your claims that Germany didn’t want war is right—or the other way around.

    There is no middle ground here. Besides the archival material Irving brings to light, we have the fact that Hitler DID invade Russia in 1941. And he did write about that very goal in Mein Kampf.

    Irving’s historiogrpahy is not the only evidence. There are many more.

    Hitler’s primary focus as he made clear in Mein Kampf was land in the east. Westward conquest was a secondary focus, made a priority when Britain and France honored their commitments to Poland.

    In the west, Hitler saw fellow Aryans who might be coopted. In the east, he saw a loathsome Bolshevik regime, Slavs whom he considered Untermenschen, and leadership by a so-called Jewish elite. For Hitler, this was a combination that required action.

    By 1939 Hitler and his Schutzstaffel [SS] began an effort to convert his vision into a brutal plan, called Generalplan Ost, which called for the racial reorganization of Eastern Europe, including Russia.

    It prescribed ethnic cleansing and genocide of Slavs in order to make room for Germany’s population, which would grow, as German women were encouraged to have large families.

    Hitler’s plan combined aspiration for Germany with fear and contempt of Slavs, Jews and communists.

    —CHAPTER SEVEN Hitler’s Decision to Invade the USSR, 1941

    From Blinders, Blunders, and Wars

    The Russians of today will never allow the kind of bullshit you are spreading here, making Nazi Germany out to be an innocent little lamb that simply wanted to have a prosperous economy.

    That is complete bullshit that only a mentally ill Meatball can convince himself of.

    Historical truth is important. It is especially important to the Russian nation of today, which made the greatest sacrifice in WW2—a war of aggression in which this weak little psychopath Hitler decided to destroy Russia as a nation and as a people.

    You have shown yourself to have ZERO credibility. You don’t even bother with a pretense of trying to address any of this substance that I have brought forth, from Irving and from other documentary sources.

    Your only retort is purely rhetorical, AND WITH ZERO SUBSTANCE.

    So once again, the direct challenge:

    IS IRVING WRONG? YES OR NO?

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  292. Malla says:
    @FB

    Aren’t you that commie monkey who got owned around by macho mustachio Hindutva dicks. You want more masala dick ya? Abbe choot, Masala chahiye kya gand mey? LOL. Teri maa ki..

    The Fuhrer’s own word.

    • Agree: GeeBee
    • Replies: @GeeBee
  293. antibeast says:
    @FB

    So there is really no military ‘option’ for the US. China is not Iraq or Libya.

    The US Deep State is promoting this ‘fantasy’ of the QUAD which is supposed to ‘contain’ China militarily. But the reality is that US military bases in Japan are sitting ducks to China’s missiles, as explained in this article:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/09/04/american-bases-in-japan-are-sitting-ducks/

    As it turns out, Japan’s biggest national security issue is not even China but Russia, as shown in this video of Abe desperately seeking a peace treaty with Putin who rejected him by raising the issue of Japan’s military ties to the USA:

    Australia is too far to be useful against China. That leaves India whose high-tech weapons mostly come from Russia. But Russia is not going to side with the QUAD against China. So that leaves the USA which means the QUAD is pretty useless.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  294. Malla says:
    @Mefobills

    Thanks.
    Yes, Hitler’s video is definitive. We now understand what he was thinking. David Irving may have been right about most things, but not this, he got this wrong. If the Germans wanted lebensraum, why did 6 countries take part in Operation Barbarossa? Did the Romanians want lebensraum too? No, they clearly perceived a Soviet threat. The USSR did not have a good track record in keeping promises.
    Hitler in his speech infront of the German people says that ‘We Germans kept all pour obligations w.r.t the Soviet Union, we never criticized them in our media, unfortunately the other side did not keep their promise’ or something of that sort, the speech which matches with his talks with Mannerheim including the four demands of the Soviets. If that really would not have been the case, that the Third Reich would have had criticized USSR before Barbarossa, Hitler would have looked like a fool infront of his people. Which means what he is saying is true.

    England (Churchill and Jewish finance international behind it) treated Hess.

    Hess’s journey to Britain further proves Hitler’s desire for peace.

    Gee-Bee did after a lifetime of being conditioned in the British Military.

    Wow, I never know Gee Bee was in the British military. Respect.

    I keep asking the question nobody is asking. How do you staff your hierarchy? If you fill it with (((Psychopaths))), then bad things will happen.

    Agreed.

    FB, yes he does write intelligent stuff sometimes but his attitude towards geo-politics is childish. As an Indian I can easily understand that this guy stuck in his head with childish understanding of things. Their types childishly see the world as Communist revolutionaries vs Imperialists. LOL They lack wisdom. Very childish. SMH. I find it funny how some pussyboy living in some first world country LARPS revolutionary. LOL That bitch would not survive a day in tough places like India, full of street smart hustler people, with his antics and his pathetically childish views.They would see through nhis bullshit in no time.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Mefobills
  295. Mefobills says:
    @Malla

    Yes, Hitler’s video is definitive. We now understand what he was thinking. David Irving may have been right about most things, but not this, he got this wrong. If the Germans wanted lebensraum, why did 6 countries take part in Operation Barbarossa? Did the Romanians want lebensraum too? No, they clearly perceived a Soviet threat. The USSR did not have a good track record in keeping promises.

    Thanks for correcting me on this. I didn’t understand about Irving being wrong on the Lebensraum, and it was the first time I heard about 6 countries taking part in Operation Barbarossa.

    This is what I meant by it fitting into revisionist history. Barbarossa was a preventative measure. Hitler’s discussion about Molotov was very revealing too.

    Perhaps it is my size and street fighting with Negroes during integration period in Texas that makes me tough. Mexicans were also a problem since they sided with the strong horse (the Negro gangs). I was also a bouncer (due to my size), and then went into the U.S. military.

    I’m sure FB will post some sort of cartoon now lampooning me, but I have no reason to make up any stories. Who is proud of having to street fight and be a bouncer to make an earning? It means I didn’t come from privilege and lived in the bad side of town. It also means that I was in confrontation with LARP types early on. Very early on one can learn that many adults are full of crap, and that then informs your worldview.

    • Replies: @Malla
  296. @antibeast

    As it turns out, Japan’s biggest national security issue is not even China but Russia, as shown in this video of Abe desperately seeking a peace treaty with Putin who rejected him by raising the issue of Japan’s military ties to the USA:

    Agree that the Quad is pretty much hot air as to be expected from blowhard Americans who would be doubtful to beat Mexico these days never mind China or Russia.

    Just to say that from living/working in Japan, that country has taken a totally wrong turn by allying with the Great Satan. This is 100% opposite my experience of a strong nationalist ethos that wanted US bases closed and schoolgirl-raping US servicemen out, also nuclear bombing of two harmless cities after Japan was already defeated.
    Something not right with the “accident” at Fukushima, perhaps ?

    Japan has in the past been used by Jewish banksters to attack Russia …
    Led to Ritual Murder of tsar/family etc and judeo-bolshevism.
    Again on the wrong side … too bad, hope they realise …

    • Replies: @antibeast
  297. GeeBee says:
    @Malla

    Yes, he is a ‘commie monkey’, and that’s why he can’t allow himself to get his head around National Socialism: he’s been told that it’s ‘counter-revolutionary’ you see. His idol Marx didn’t like anyone treading on his beautifully manicured lawn, with all its pat, yet nonsensical theories (I give you ‘ the brotherhood of the proletariat’ for one). One has only to look at his behaviour towards Mikhail Bakunin, for example, and the way he cynically side-lined a man who was set to dominate the ‘Workers’ International’.

    Also, Adolf Hitler had rightly set his face against the nonsense of Marx and its unspeakable Bolshevik manifestation in Russia. FB has therefore been conditioned to rage and rant against any mention of der Führer . Look, for proof, at his tone and his gleeful misrepresenting of Irving (and of course Irving became deeply compromised during the ’90s. as indeed many another would had they endured what he had at the hands of Jews). Thus, paradoxically, he desperately needs to believe the victorious Finance Capitalist propaganda, purely because it offers the only route to a refutation of Hitlerism. I mean, does he believe all of it, or just those foul calumnies that have been directed at Hitler and the Third Reich? Does he think that Saddam had ‘weapons of mass destruction’? Does he believe that 9/11 was entirely the work of some Saudis (many of whom were later traced and found to be alive)? Does he think that the West was justified in destroying Gaddafi? Doe she think that Sadat uses chemical weapons on children in his won country? I rather doubt that he does. Yet he absolutely laps up each and every falsehood and calumny directed at Chancellor Hitler, and he thinks that the Allies were pure and good and noble and selfless and true when they invaded Europe and wiped the only challenge to their extractive parasitic scam off the face of the earth.

    He is, as Mefobills says, truly demoralised.

    (And by the way, I did indeed have a career as an Officer in the British Army – and I now find it very difficult to speak frankly to the many former colleagues with whom I keep in touch, several of whom reached high rank, and one of whom had a remarkable career in the British Secret service MI6).

    • Thanks: Mefobills
  298. @GeeBee

    Blimey I’m not surprised you find it hard to talk with your former colleagues,they probably think you’re a raving conspiracy loon,honestly how old are you? late fifties? a bit older perhaps?

    I don’t know whats happening to people the stiff upper lip seems to be melting into some sort of disgusted pap,get a grip of yourself man!

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  299. @Seraphim

    “many people were expecting that the Chinese troops garrisoned in Hong Kong would sweep through the streets Tienanmen style”

    not merely “expecting”… they were HOPING that’s what would happen. They were trying to get a replay of this… Western media hid these words like they hid who was behind the Hong Kong trouble… But I guess they worked on their acting lessons since then:

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  300. Mefobills says:
    @FB

    IS IRVING WRONG? YES OR NO?

    See above conversations between Malla and myself with regards to your question.

    All of your histrionics is not helping your case. It is a bad look.

    If we were in a room together, and you insulted Malla like you did earlier, I would grab you and physically throw you out of the room. There are standards of civility you continuously breach.

    • Agree: Malla
  301. Mefobills says:
    @alwayswrite

    I don’t know whats happening to people the stiff upper lip seems to be melting into some sort of disgusted pap,get a grip of yourself man!

    If a brain is parasitized, and the body is malfunctioning, do you blame the body?

    Hey body, get a grip on yourself!

    England’s brain became parasitized in stages. The same thing happened to America, where I am from.

    Have a little empathy OK? England is being bombed by all kinds of peoples, she is being de-racinated and losing her history and people. The average English person, like the average American, has been hoaxed with finance capitalism and judeo-christianity.

    • Agree: GeeBee
  302. @GeeBee

    So wait – are you guys claiming that Hitler didn’t order an attack against the Soviets even against the advice of his own top military brass…??? Help me understand this. Are you claiming Hitler didn’t betray his agreement with Stalin??? WW1 was not Germany’s fault. The disrespect and penalization of Germany after the war was bound to backfire…. Hence the lead up to WW2. But that doesn’t mean because the allies blamed Germany incorrectly doesn’t mean everything said was false. I can’t imagine how you all could possibly justify Germany attacking the USSR under Hitler. Are you seriously claiming that didn’t happen???

    • Replies: @GeeBee
  303. @GomezAdddams

    Yeah the Brits used swift violence to put down those HK riots. They probably killed more in Belfast – but yeah the same brute force. IN 2019 the HK police were almost too soft. But they know western propaganda is very strong so they minimized use of force.

  304. Seraphim says:
    @showmethereal

    They eventually sent the troops to clean the garbage left by the revolutionaries!

  305. antibeast says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    As East Asians, the Japanese are polite to their Yankee Overlords but they behave only in such as a way due to their cultural ethos of according respect to their superiors. But make no mistake about it, the Japanese do NOT want the stupid gringos in their Land of the Rising Sun which is why 70% of the US military is located in Okinawa, with the remaining 30% in the main island of Japan.

    I linked that video to illustrate the ‘fantasy’ of the QUAD because it ignores the geopolitical reality of East Asia, namely that Japan’s number one national security issue is its neighbor Russia which is still technically in a state of war with Japan. Abe desperately wanted to sign a peace treaty with Putin who told him point blank that Japan’s military ties to the USA precludes any resolution of the Kuril Islands issue. You can clearly see Abe’s desperate behavior in that video which shows just how weak Japan’s strategic position is. Japan’s membership in the QUAD actually harms its own national security vis-a-vis Russia which feels threatened by the presence of US military bases in Japan.

    A similar contradiction applies to India’s membership in the QUAD. If the US Deep State thinks it can use the QUAD against China, then the QUAD can also be used against Russia which is the number one high-tech weapons supplier to India. That means the QUAD effectively comprises India’s own national security interests by pitting India against its number one high-tech weapons supplier, Russia!

    As for the other QUAD member Australia, its closest neighbor is Indonesia which participated in a joint naval exercise with China last month near Jakarta:

    Guess which country is Australia’s biggest trading partner? China! In other words, Australia would have to sacrifice its own economic interests just to appease the Yanks who lacks the political capital to form the Asian equivalent of NATO which has to counter the China-led SCO which is the Asian equivalent of the Warsaw Pact.

    Lastly, why should Asian countries side with the USA Empire against China when Asian citizens view China as their Asian power on the rise while the USA is now seen as the Western power in decline? China is already in the process of integrating the whole of Asia, effectively placing itself as the center of the pan-Asian order, excluding non-Asians such as the Yanks.

    The Yanks can fool the Europeans into becoming their lapdogs in NATO but they ain’t fooling no one in Asia. To say that the ‘exceptional’ Yanks are marginal to Asia is an understatement; they are pretty much irrelevant to the pan-Asian order which is now taking shape under China’s leadership.

  306. antibeast says:
    @antibeast

    Correction to the above post:

    That means the QUAD effectively compromises India’s own national security interests by pitting India against its number one high-tech weapons supplier, Russia!

    • Replies: @Malla
  307. GeeBee says:
    @showmethereal

    What, exactly, do you take me for? A complete imbecile, clearly. Perhaps in your case, however, the metaphorical boot is on the other foot. Need I really point out to you that there is a vast degree of difference between claiming that Hitler wished for ‘world domination’ (the Americans were told that there was a clear and present danger of Germany invading their shores, and even a recent, fatuous television series played upon this idiotic claim) on the one hand, and understanding the rationale behind operation Barbarossa on the other? Hell’s teeth, there has even been a recent and excellent article here on Unz about it. I suggest you read and absorb:

    https://www.unz.com/article/barbarossa-suvorovs-revisionism-goes-mainstream/

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @showmethereal
  308. Malla says:
    @antibeast

    So that leaves the USA which means the QUAD is pretty useless.

    The QUAD is dead, Biden killed it. That will not change India’s anti-China stand (unfortunately) but China may not have to worry of a two theater scenario anymore. You should check out this is an interesting discussion in about the situation India is now in. In between Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (yellow T-shirt) and Abhinav Prakash (guy with glasses or spectacles) Indian nationalists are disillusioned with Biden’s USA and now look to traditional allies Russia, France and Israel. BTW sorry for his anti-China rant, I personally am tired of this psychotic, irrational anti-China stance by Indian Nationalists. Except that this is good. India and USA are very different from each other and they discuss this.

    Vaccine Embargo by Biden Administration – Abhijit Iyer-Mitra on Urban Chatterati

    [MORE]

    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra and Abhinav Prakash from 0:40 minutes to 2:30 minutes discuss about how the Biden administration are deliberately sabotaging vaccine manufacturing in India. For the Novavax vaccine not the CoviShield being currently being produced. Thus India gets Sputnik from Russia. They are unintentionally by trying to screw India, are doing India a favour.
    Abhinav Prakash: Biden administration seems worse than Trump…..
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (2:49 minutes:) Trump did not behave very badly. If we (India) needed help, the help was usually sent.With Biden, with all his talk about globalism you know, we are all going to hold hands and sing Kumbaya. It is a good lesson for Indians who voted Democrat in America, secretly I am hoping that something happens to their family members as well in this particular wave. It says a lot about the complete cluelessness of most of the foreign policy commenteriat and the so called self proclaimed “responsible informed” commenteriat saying that Biden would better for globalism and all that. Which is proven to be absolute RUBBISH. Across the board. Because remember this isn’t the first. The US Navy was conducting freedom of navigation operations for the last 10 years, India never really gave a damn. Why? Because our extended zones are intended specifically for China. They are not intended for harassment or bullying of everyone and anyone. And it is been done specifically because China is doing certain things so it is a kind of reciprocal threat that if you can do that, we can do that with the Malacca Straits and things like that. So, why did the US navy feel the need to announce it publicly after 10 years? It makes no sense. You are conducting freedom of navigation operations, you are not being challenged, why did you go and have to announce it often all of a sudden. And notice whichever countries that they named, South Korea, Maldives and India. You remember, I was telling you that this man’s (Biden) son is so compromised to China, his (Biden’s) actions will not directly help China, they will indirectly help China. So he has effectively put all American allies in the same plank as China!! “”You are really no different from China anymore.” It is the same thing with vaccines now. Essentially what he is doing is he is saying “you may be an ally but America first”. In which case, what is the point of being an ally? So.. that is perfectly fine. In this last 3 to 4 months, Biden has done damage, actual damage to the American alliance system what Trump was claimed to have done in the last four years. It is a valid statement, it is a statistically supported statement.
    Abhinav Prakash (7:33 minutes): They are not helping anyone, it is not just India, they are not helping countries in their neighbourhood. What does it tell about America and its current administration? Vice President seems to be running the show!!
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (7:51 minutes): Look, the Vice President maybe be running the show but even she is really a puppet. Biden is basically a walking cadaver, he has one foot in the coffin. we do not know if he is alive or dead and when he is going to die. Now that being the case, you have to understand it is a whole a very very powerful bunch of Democrat party interests running the Government and those Democrat party interests are further controlled by corporate interests…… It is a lot of corporate interests that seem to align at the same time. For example in case of CAATSA sanctions, Boeing and Lockheed Martin would be thinking, look this is one good way of ensuring we get more sales in India and kick the Russians out of the Indian market. It would be Pfizer telling their kept senators and their purchased Congressmen, if you do this they (India) would be forced to buy our vaccines at a certain price…..Never attribute to malice what you can to stupidity. When your president is basically a walking cadaver, Vice President (Kamala Harris) is so compromised to Corporate Interests and his son (Biden) is so compromised to foreign interests, we don’t really know if the US Govt is being controlled. Look at the mess they have at their southern border. POLITICO actually had ban its staff to refer about the Southern border crisis, none of them are sending their reporters or even screaming at the fact that they are are not being allowed to send their reporters. Could you imagine this have happened under Trump?
    Abhinav Prakash: (Laughing) No of course Not.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: So there you go

    Abhinav Prakash (12:00 minutes) This brings to this hypocrisy of the people who pretend to be outraged at the misery of the people, this entire woke culture. What happened to the wokes in America? Why are they not on the streets and saying “Asian lives do matter”. “You help the other countries. what happened to these people in NYT and Washington Post? Why is there no cover story that America is the greatest hoarder of live saving drugs in the world?
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (12:28 minutes): (Smiling) Because it was never about principles. Look, all these so called revolutionary movements are always about some smart manipulator who is able to manipulate a whole bunch of zombies. Tell me one revolution which did not happen on the back of zombies. I do not mean movie style Zombies but using it figuratively. But that is what BLM, anti-fa and all these movements ARE. They are essentially low IQ stupid people, foot soldiers who are cynically manipulated….Leadership is screwing people and make them enjoy the process of getting screwed over.

    • Replies: @Malla
  309. Malla says:
    @Malla

    From the same video

    [MORE]

    Abhinav Prakash (16:18 minutes): Coming back to Biden and his America, public sentiment in India has turned against America. It is not just about this vaccine thing but other things Biden has been doing. What do you think is going to be future of diplomacy in between the two countries and what will happen to QUAD?
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (16:40 minutes):The diplomacy was already strained when Biden took over. It was not strained it was a bit uncomfortable and now it is only going to get only more uncomfortable. They are going to try to smoothen it out, they are try to normalize it but it isn’t going to work. ….My entire argument for an alliance with America was based on the common threat from China, the need for technology (B) and a need of market (C). It was never been based on this cocaine induced dream of shared values. We do not share values, let us be very clear about this.
    Abhinav Prakash (17:52 minutes): Yes we do not.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (17:52 minutes): Indian definition of democracy (Westminster system) is very different from American democracy. India’s definition of freedom of speech is very different from the American definition of freedom of speech. In fact I would say America now is coming to the Indian definition of freedom of speech, not the other way around. The only shared value is I think, is that neither country achieved a monopoly of violence. In America because of the gun laws and in India because we do not have the police (undermanned police)…..Let us be clear, India and America have no shared values.…..(19:05 minutes) Now, even if you assume that the Nehru, Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi period was this glorious era of free speech and things like that, if it was based on shared values, why were India America relations at absolute rock bottom at that time? Was India was a great paragon of democracy in 1971 when the USA sent its fleet against us? No it was purely because of the USSR and India’s friendship with the USSR. And lets be clear. The only common agenda that India and America have is China.
    Abhinav Prakash (19:47 minutes): Agreed
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (19:50 minutes): That is it. We don’t agree on the Middle East, we don’t agree on Iran, we don’t agree on Russia ,we don’t agree on the EU , we don’t agree on freedom of the seas.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:00 minutes): We don’t agree even on Bangladesh and Myanmar.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: Absolutely, so what the hell do we agree on. What is the shared values? What is the shared vision? I really do not get what this shared vision is.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:15 minutes): As I said, India and America do not have any shared values. Some of our values might be similar, like our commitment to a constitutional democracy. but that is it. We are a completely different people. We are a completely different society. We belong to completely different civilizations. We have nothing in common.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (20:32 minutes): We belong to different stages of development. Even our assumptions of the fundamental principles of what is democracy, what is secularism, what is individual liberty, are completely different.
    Abhinav Prakash (20:50 minutes): Are completely different, I agree to that. What will happen to this hyped Indo-American alliance and QUAD and all. It seems that the trust that was built over the last decade or so has now evaporated and we Indians are reminded how America has been a hostile country to India.

    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (21:07 minutes): Absolutely. I don’t think these people realize how much cumulative damage they have done. Individually yes. Individually these statements about freedom of navigation, individually their statements about Novavax raw materials and the CAATSA sanctions would be the cherry on the cake ……Cumulatively the damage they have done is extremely severe.
    Abhinav Prakash (2:41 minutes) : What will happen to this anti-China alliance now? America, Europe, Japan etc… are doing business with China, setting up factorries, investing money. They wanted India to be their frontline soldier against China, why should India be or care for the QUAD anymore.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (22: 14 minutes): Why I will continue to support an Indo-America alliance…It is not that America is very good….because CHINA IS A LOT WORSE…Absolutely reprehensible creature..so every other creature by comparison …including a preying mantis would look better then they ever could….
    Abhinav Prakash: America certainly is not trustworthy completely unreliably and completely corrupt as well.
    …….

    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra (24:42 minutes): America is a fantastic ally if you can can manage to corrupt them. …had we gone in and purchased a lot of things. Had we developed industrially the way China has and bought over most of these senators and congressmen because we all know they are for sale, they go to the highest bidder.…had we done that we could have been assured of their reliability. (25:18 minutes) For example China is very happy with Biden being an extremely reliable friend. Pretends to be an enemy but is actually a friend kind of thing. So lets not see America is not reliable. The question is if you don’t have leverage do not expect reliability. Reliability comes on interdependence and leverage……(25:53 minutes) With France and Russia, they have always been and Israel, they have always been extremely trustworthy as a rule. And it seems to be ideological than it is actually practical. Because with Russia, it is a single product trade which we have with them that is defense. With France its always been much more of a sort of mental connect with France where France sees us as this..kindred brother who is just as irritating, a pain in the ass for America just as France is within NATO, because France always had this independent streak about NATO ….Self Reliance almost…. What you are seeing is that the three countries with whom we have had a great ideological affinity, historically, that have proven to be much more helpful and reliable than America. America needs to be purchased. It is a market, it is not a country, it is a market. It is a meat market.
    ….
    Abhinav Prakash (29:13 minutes: But the American behaviour will be remembered in India for long…it is a good thing that our generation has learnt that America cannot be reliable.
    Abhijit Iyer-Mitra: Yeah

    • Replies: @antibeast
  310. @antibeast

    China is a communist state

    Its getting hysterical about even the mildest criticism

    They’ll push everyone into absolute silence given even the slightest opportunity,this is what communist do

    they’ve created a communist paradise,at least in their own ideological twisted minds

    They are totalitarian imperialist creating a vast AI enabled hive mind,they’ll be hardly human soon,more like the Borg,thats your future,wake up you folks are asleep

    Freedom will prevail 😁

  311. @antibeast

    Many of us who see National Socialism as the best way for global harmony recognise that today’s China is de facto if not de jure NS in almost all respects.

    It is possible that Japan, a country to be admired in many ways, has a gun held to her head by the judeo-freemason “Money Power”, hence my ref to Fukushima, see below.
    Of course this is just a “conspiracy theory” but it is just the kind of thing that so-called Israel would do and has done in the past re 9/11, Lavon, USS Liberty, JFK, King David Hotel, fake Palestinian “terror groups” etc etc.
    Iow it is entirely consistent with the past and present actions of the well-named Great Satan whose zio-freemason agents control USA/5Eyes.

    The head-of-the-snake of this entire system of destructive evil is in Zionism/Freemasonry. The latter has been called “Kabbalah for (stupid) Goyim” and motivates individual greed and profit no matter what the consequences to others. Thankfully this system is now faltering but needs to be brought down completely.
    People of “the west” (and others) need to be freed from this Hyena.
    Including Japan, if the below links are at all accurate.
    Even if not accurate, the same need applies.

    https://americanfreepress.net/japanese-journalist-accuses-israel-of-fukushima-sabotage/

    https://theconspiracyblog.com/conspiracies/environment/fukishima/630-fukushima-was-sabotaged-by-israel

    • Replies: @antibeast
  312. Malla says:
    @GeeBee

    I was into communism myself when I was a late teen and had come across Western leftists. Something about them was off. I could not put my finger on it. Some bad vibrations , literally demonic. Check out how this so called “revolutionary of the masses” LOL, FB insulted me. he has done this repeatedly, making fun of a poor third world country. I cannot recall any so called “racists” here speak like that to me before. Like those anti-fa thugs who beat up a couple of Hispanic proud boy members calling them spics and beaners. These leftists are not what they seem, something is off about them. The idiot is obsessed with a Communist revolutionary Vs Imperialist worldview even though China is not as communist during Mao’s time and Russia is not Communist at all. And thus they cannot understand the position of, for example a country like India.
    Anyways I do agree with FB in his hatred for the Globalist financial Banking Capitalists, in this I am in total agreement with him. Only that his solution to this problem is different than mine.

    Anyways you are right, they will accept that the mainstream is lying about say 9/11 but not about the Axis powers during WW2, because it is continent for them. The truth about WW2, demolishes their false worldview. Simple as that. And how does it make any sense that globalist corporations like youtube keep Marxist channels but scrub everything related to Hitler or National Socialism? Who are the globalists really afraid of? Not Karl Marx the relative of the Rothschilds, that is for sure.

    I did indeed have a career as an Officer in the British Army

    Well it is indeed an honour to exchange ideas with someone with such a background and experience.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
    , @GeeBee
  313. Malla says:
    @Mefobills

    it was the first time I heard about 6 countries taking part in Operation Barbarossa.

    They present history in a very manipulated form. Germany, Romania, Finland, Hungary, Italy and Slovakia took part in this pre-emptive strike of Operation Barbarossa out of fears of an eminent Soviet invasion. 30000 + Spaniards volunteered for Barbarossa after seeing what the Communists had done in their country during the Spanish Civil War. I am sure they wanted some “Lebensraum” there in the East. LOL.

    Perhaps it is my size and street fighting with Negroes during integration period in Texas that makes me tough. Mexicans were also a problem since they sided with the strong horse (the Negro gangs). I was also a bouncer (due to my size), and then went into the U.S. military.

    Great to see so many ex-military people here.

    Who is proud of having to street fight and be a bouncer to make an earning? It means I didn’t come from privilege and lived in the bad side of town.

    I understand.
    You know, what is funny? A lot of the leftard brainwashed anti-fa are actually what the Communists would “bourgeois” to be eliminated by the “proletariat” who would be the “Red Necks”, the same “Red Necks”, anti-fa shits hate so much.

  314. antibeast says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    The USA Empire treats Germany and Japan as ‘kept women’ who are paid USD to serve their Wall Street/City-of-London globalist masters. Yeltsin turned Russia into another ‘kept woman’, albeit a Slavic one, until Putin came along and freed Russia from the globalist harem. China would have turned into yet another Oriental mistress — after Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore — in the globalist harem had Xi not purged their Fifth-Columnists from the power structures of China. Outside of the few Western, East Asian and Gulf State countries in the globalist harem, the Wall Street/City-of-London globalist elites treat the rest of the world like street whores whom they can either buy for a ‘short-time’ or rape at will. That’s the rationale behind the ‘War of Terror’ which the USA Empire has been waging against the rest of the world: either submit to us and get paid or we will just rape you and throw you away.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  315. antibeast says:
    @alwayswrite

    Alwayswrong, you are always blathering about the same stupid shit again and again.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  316. @Malla

    One thing you can be sure of, Malla, is that anyone who uses vile insults like FB can be accurately classified as a “yob”. Such people may have some level of technical expertise — I don’t want to employ the term “education” because that implies qualities that FB obviously lacks — but are essentially guttersnipes, to quote my dear Father …

    The thing about yobs/guttersnipes is that they hate themselves, and with some justification it may be said, nobody with experience of other cultures in any meaningful way would ever say such a thing. I saw a post from someone “Bomb3GorgesDam” … same type.

    Either they are simply Losers or maybe Mossad/sayanim seeking to engender strife.
    It’s a well-known tactic of the shape-shifting Great Satan.*

    *Term first used afaik by Iran to describe USA; the word Shaitan translates as Enemy, so not as charged … Personally I prefer the full implication to be applied to the Money Power as their actions, thus their nature, can accurately be termed “satanic”.

    Jai Hind.

    • Thanks: Malla
  317. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    While I will continue to support an Indo-America alliance…It is not that America is very good….because CHINA IS A LOT WORSE…Absolutely reprehensible creature..so every other creature by comparison …including a preying mantis would look better than they ever could…

    All very true except for the above quote where he should substitute ‘America’ for China. If he didn’t know that, then he doesn’t know the USA at all.

    “What will happen to this hyped Indo-American alliance and QUAD and all. It seems that the trust that was built over the last decade or so has now evaporated and we Indians are reminded how America has been a hostile country to India.”

    I had predicted this QUAD thing breaking up last year due to the incompatible ‘values’ and contradictory ‘interests’ of its incongruent members, most of whom don’t have anything in common with each other. The USA and Australia might have something in common due to their historical WASP roots but even that is not permanent as America morphs into a very different country from when it was founded. The geophysical location of Australia also makes its relationship with China absolutely critical to its future in Asia.

    The Indian Deep State should have expected this inevitable breakup of the QUAD. Putin told Abe point-blank that Russia could not sign a peace treaty with Japan due to its military ties to the USA. I think the same principle applies to Russia’s defense relationship to India which the USA wants to break up. The Indian elites can’t have it both ways: either India stick with Russia or switches to America.

    • Replies: @Mulga Mumblebrain
  318. @antibeast

    As I have tried to explain to you, antibeast, there is a power behind the USUK/5Eyes.

    You keep repeating the same thing which everbody knows anyway, but if you are just focussed on the military USA etc you are missing the point and the main actor.
    You make no reference to the Fukushima information.
    Just another rant, ten a penny rants …

    You are missing the Beast, antibeast.
    There are people in “the west” who are also victims of the Beast, homeless, no income, addicted to drink/drugs/porn, no future …

    If you are just a simple racist, or a person with minimal education, which you are beginning to sound like, you are missing the point and the main actor.
    You need to look at WHO is controlling those countries.
    Please wake up.
    Cease ranting, get some education.

  319. @antibeast

    i tell you what i’ll stay here in the free west,you go and live there in China and watch you’re freedom disappear,they’re not human basically they’re all gonna be connected to the internet,everything they do,every little facial expression scrutinised,every little bit of body language fed into a vast all encompassing AI system to fine tune communism, with Chinese characteristics,you’re welcome to total state control,because thats whats coming down the track for Chinese citizens total absolute control

    • Troll: Mulga Mumblebrain
  320. @Mefobills

    Sorry Mefobills, but Biden had full facelift surgery, just like Vladimir Putin did, and more and more politicians will in the future. Nothing except the ear lobe is affected, but the earlobe always is . The rest of the ‘stitching’ is hidden behind the ear and under the hair. Stitches around the eyes will actually fade away fast. https://carolynyeager.net/interesting-facts-about-vladimir-putin

    I have no idea what Mefobills thinks he is proving by saying “90% of the ear is still the same.” Of course it is. The intent of a facelift is to pull up sagging, stretched out skin, not to re-form features such as the ears, nose or mouth.

    • Replies: @Mefobills
  321. GeeBee says:
    @Malla

    Well said Malla. As Arthur MacBride suggests, ‘FB’ is nothing better than a hate-sodden misanthrope and indeed – his word – a ‘yob’. I have decided never to engage with him from now on.

    Anyhow, his insults directed at you lead me to ask if you still reside in India, or if you’ve re-located. In either case, whereabouts in India are you from? I always think of ‘Savitri Devi’ whenever India and National Socialism are linked (you’ll know, of course, that wasn’t her real name, as she was part French, part Greek and part English as I recall). In her excellent work Gold in the Furnace she remarked that during the war she and many other Indians longed to see the representatives of Imperial Japan and the Third Reich joining up and shaking hands somewhere in India, having beaten off the attack from the Jew-led ‘Allies’ in their respective marches east and west. Alas, it was not to be. Her works are no doubt familiar to you, but the above-mentioned work, together with The Lightning and the Sun are required reading for any aspiring National Socialist.

    Just to close, I’d give a great deal to see Mefobills fulfilling his threat to pick up ‘FB’ and throw him out of the room, were we all together and he were to insult you personally the way he was emboldened to do from the protection of his ‘mom’s basement’, so to speak!

    • Replies: @Malla
  322. @GeeBee

    You did a whole lo of ranting and didn’t answer my question… Never mind.

  323. @alwayswrite

    All ways racist prefers total corporate control. With full grovel.

  324. @antibeast

    The Morriscum regime’s treatment of Indian Australians trapped in India and unable to return home shows how they really feel about our sub-continental cousins. But they are very extreme racists who hate everyone different from themselves, and quite a few, including the capo, are religious fundamentalist fanatics.

  325. @alwayswrite

    All ways moronic associates the West with ‘freedom’, while de-humanising the Chinese in the familiar Western supremacist and genocidal fashion. The alliance between extreme xenophobic hatred and sub-moronic imbecility is very familiar here in Austfailia. You should immigrate, all ways-this sewer will really suit you.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  326. vox4non says:
    @alwayswrite

    A non sequitur response instead of countering Marshal Marlow’s points? Tsk tsk, whatever will we do without your repartee?

  327. antibeast says:
    @alwayswrite

    The Chinese authorities do not care nor want to know about your private lives. If you prefer gay lovers and anal sex with black guys, that’s your problema not their problema unlike the Woke West which now wants to force every White man, women and child to worship negros and open their white azzes to welcome Big Black Cocks while crying ‘homo rights’, ‘freedumb’ and ‘dumbocracy’!

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  328. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    China is the Borg,AI enabled totalitarianism,be happy be part of the hive mind,they’ll soon develop AI enabled realities probably backed by drugs,so that millions of single Chinese males can have a virtual wife,you see thats what happens when you have a real genocide,well infanticide,you end up with a distorted strange demographic old and dying out thats China’s future

    i’ll give China about twenty years before it implodes due to its eugenics programme of the past,they can’t look after all those old people cost to much you see

    Who knows maybe in the future they’ll have euthanasia clinics promising a fast exit to AI enabled heaven to cut the costs

    Basically the single males don’t care,to busy getting pissed and the young are following the western lead of consumers,albeit with Chinese characteristics, stuffing their faces getting fat and unhealthy and not interested in kids

    plus China is an imperial state,always has been,so this BRI stuff is imperialism,wake up son,you’re living in a dream world the Chinese don’t like you,they’d repress you,unless you join the Orwellian party,so don’t be a silly billy and stay free

  329. @antibeast

    Looks to me like you’ve done your research on this,as you certainly seem well informed,are you sure thats not a bit of a Freudian slip on your behalf 😁

  330. Mefobills says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    Very interesting about the face-lift. It makes sense if that is the procedure.

    People are implying it is a different Biden, a doppelganger, hence my 90 percent. I’m saying it is same Biden. Had I said he had a face-lift it would have had more traction.

    So we can expect more of these doppleganger claims in future, as politicians get facelifts.

  331. Malla says:
    @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Park was a fascist, a goon working for the Japs then the Yanks an

    What rubbish, Park was a military man responsible to a great extent for the sucess of South Korea, the Miracle in the Han river. He admired the Japanese Meiji Restoration and for good reason. Park wasnot much pro-American, he was more pro-German than he was pro-American. It as Syngman Rhee who was more pro-American. Park had to have an alliance with America so as to prevent the North from invading South Korea. What if North Korea would have invaded South Korea? All of Korea would have been a poor Orwellian dictatorship as North Korea. The country is a disaster. There are two points in which North Korea is doing good than South Korea. One is no interracial mixing (no drop of ink in the Han river) and protecting its people from “Western” Judeo Cultural Marxist Garbage culture. Except that, North Korea is nothing but the modern Juche version of of the continuation of the late Joseon Dynasty Hermit Kingdom Korea. I have read books by travelers to the Hermit Kingdom, not that different from north Korea today. Just like how Pakistan is basically a modern continuation of Mughal India.

    The Brits lefts tens of millions dead in the Great Famines that ravaged India under their misrule

    I have posted many comments proving that all this is bullshit. Famines took place at a greater frequency before the British took over. It were the British who created famine codes, built irrigation networks and railway networks to fight famines. There were many famine commissions. Indeed famines reduced in India during the later part of the British Raj and only stopped after the Green Revolution which happened after the British left India. Indeed independent Republic of India got a lot of help from the earlier British Raj, Government of India Famine codes. Even after Independence, the United Kingdoms helped India during famines and shortages such as in 1966.

    Stop reading the works of crackpot liars like Mike Davis the Trotskyite monkey.

  332. Malla says:
    @GeeBee

    Thanks. Do not worry about FB, I am much more thick skinned than that. It is just that in my late teens I had observed that many Western leftists were very hateful assholes and could turn racist if it suited them. And when I went to the South of USA, I had many Southerners treat me with respect, the kind of Southerners who are proud of Dixie. Anyways there are many reasons and experiences about why I believe what I believe.

    Anyhow, his insults directed at you lead me to ask if you still reside in India, or if you’ve re-located. In either case, whereabouts in India are you from?

    I live in New Delhi, in India.

    In her excellent work Gold in the Furnace she remarked that during the war she and many other Indians longed to see the representatives of Imperial Japan and the Third Reich joining up and shaking hands somewhere in India, having beaten off the attack from the Jew-led ‘Allies’ in their respective marches east and west.

    Yes, I have read that book and yes she is right. Savitri Devi a great human being, very intelligent, a kind person who advocated the rights of animals. Her husband who was Indian Bengali was National Socialist too. I have read that book. One more book I would recommend, probably one of the best books I have ever read would be The Lighting and the Sun.

    FB’ and throw him out of the room,

    Hey, thanks you guys for your support.

  333. Malla says:
    @KA

    They welcome Hindus from other countries to become citizen and expel the local native muslims

    Stop lying like a stupid monkey. India was trying to pass a law where persecuted minorities from other South Asian countries could come to India and become citizens. These included Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Jains, Parsees, Buddhists etc.. It was not only Hindus, stop your snake tongue lies. I hate the Hindutvas too but to a large extent they came into being as a reaction to Muslim fanaticism.

    It is the because of shit like this which happens in our Islamic neighbours.

    Minor Christian Girl in Pakistan Sent Back to her Muslim Abductors who forcefully tried to convert her to Islam

    Pakistani Mob Attacks a Police Station hunting down a blasphemer

    Why so Many Abductions of non Muslim Girls in Sindh? To be forcefully converted to Islam.

    Pakistan with its shitty judicial system and low IQ monkey behaving masses, have no right to lecture India.
    That does not mean I support those Hinduvadis but you are trying to sneakily paint a one sided picture. Ask this why was the RSS formed? When was it formed? What massacre of Hindus took place by Muslims which led to the formation of the Hindutva RSS?
    Both Hinduvadis and Islamo-sychos deserve each other in low IQ hell.

  334. @Ray Caruso

    Agreed. And I just don’t read semi-literates who confuse the most basic homophones. It’s usually the first indication that the guy is not only a sloppy writer but a sloppy thinker. I have yet to find a single exception.

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