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In 1999, Qiao Liang, then a senior air force colonel in the People’s Liberation Army, and Wang Xiangsui, another senior colonel, caused a tremendous uproar with the publication of Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America.

Unrestricted Warfare was essentially the PLA’s manual for asymmetric warfare: an updating of Sun Tzu’s Art of War. At the time of original publication, with China still a long way from its current geopolitical and geo-economic clout, the book was conceived as laying out a defensive approach, far from the sensationalist “destroy America” added to the title for US publication in 2004.

Now the book is available in a new edition and Qiao Liang, as a retired general and director of the Council for Research on National Security, has resurfaced in a quite revealing interview originally published in the current edition of the Hong Kong-based magazine Zijing (Bauhinia).

General Qiao is not a Politburo member entitled to dictate official policy. But some analysts I talked with agree that the key points he makes in a personal capacity are quite revealing of PLA thinking. Let’s review some of the highlights.

Dancing with wolves

The bulk of his argument concentrates on the shortcomings of US manufacturing: “How can the US today want to wage war against the biggest manufacturing power in the world while its own industry is hollowed out?”

An example, referring to Covid-19, is the capacity to produce ventilators: “Out of over 1,400 pieces necessary for a ventilator, over 1,100 must be produced in China, including final assembly. That’s the US problem today. They have state of the art technology, but not the methods and production capacity. So they have to rely on Chinese production.”

General Qiao dismisses the possibility that Vietnam, the Philippines, Bangladesh, India and other Asian nations may replace China’s cheap workforce: “Think about which of these countries has more skilled workers than China. What quantity of medium and high level human resources was produced in China in these past 30 years? Which country is educating over 100 million students at secondary and university levels? The energy of all these people is still far from being liberated for China’s economic development.”

He acknowledges US military power even in times of epidemic and economic difficulties is always capable of “interfering directly or indirectly in the Taiwan straits question” and finding an excuse to “block and sanction China and exclude it from the West.” He adds that, “as a producing country, we still cannot satisfy our manufacturing industry with our own resources and rely on our own markets to consume our products.”

In consequence, he argues, it’s a “good thing” for China to engage in the cause of reunification, “but it’s always a bad thing if it’s done at the wrong time. We can only act at the right time. We cannot allow our generation to commit the sin of interrupting the process of the Chinese nation’s renaissance.”

General Qiao counsels, “Don’t think that only territorial sovereignty is linked to the fundamental interests of a nation. Other kinds of sovereignty – economic, financial, defense, food, resources, biological and cultural sovereignty – are all linked to the interests and survival of nations and are components of national sovereignty.”

To arrest movement toward Taiwan’s independence, “apart from war, other options must be taken into consideration. We can think about the means to act in the immense gray zone between war and peace, and we can even think about more particular means, like launching military operations that will not lead to war, but may involve a moderate use of force.”

In a graphic formulation, General Qiao thinks that, “if we have to dance with the wolves, we should not dance to the rhythm of the US. We should have our own rhythm, and even try to break their rhythm, to minimize its influence. If American power is brandishing its stick, it’s because it has fallen into a trap.”

In a nutshell, for General Qiao, “China first of all must show proof of strategic determination to solve the Taiwan question, and then strategic patience. Of course, the premise is that we should develop and maintain our strategic force to solve the Taiwan question by force at any moment.”

Gloves are off

Now compare General Qiao’s analysis with the by now obvious geopolitical and geo-economic fact that Beijing will respond tit for tat to any hybrid war tactics deployed by the United States government. The gloves are definitely off.

The gold standard expression has come in a no-holds barred Global Times editorial: “We must be clear that coping with US suppression will be the key focus of China’s national strategy. We should enhance cooperation with most countries. The US is expected to contain China’s international front lines, and we must knock out this US plot and make China-US rivalry a process of US self-isolation.”

An inevitable corollary is that the all-out offensive to cripple Huawei will be counterpunched in kind, targeting Apple, Qualcom, Cisco and Boeing, even including “investigations or suspensions of their right to do business in China.”

So for all practical purposes, Beijing has now publicly unveiled its strategy to counteract US President Donald Trump’s “We could cut off the whole relationship” kind of assertions.

A toxic racism-meets-anti-communism matrix is responsible for the predominant anti-Chinese sentiment across the US, encompassing at least 66% of the whole population. Trump instinctively seized it – and repackaged it as his re-election campaign theme, fully approved by Steve Bannon.

The strategic objective is to go after China across the full spectrum. The tactical objective is to forge an anti-China front across the West: another instance of encirclement, hybrid war-style, focused on economic war.

This will imply a concerted offensive, trying to enforce embargoes and trying to block regional markets to Chinese companies. Lawfare will be the norm. Even freezing Chinese assets in the US is not a far-fetched proposition anymore.

Every possible Silk Road branch-out – on the energy front, ports, the Health Silk Road, digital interconnection – will be strategically targeted. Those who were dreaming that Covid-19 could be the ideal pretext for a new Yalta – uniting Trump, Xi and Putin – may rest in peace.

ORDER IT NOW

“Containment” will go into overdrive. A neat example is Admiral Philip Davidson – head of the Indo-Pacific Command – asking for $20 billion for a “robust military cordon” from California to Japan and down the Pacific Rim, complete with “highly survivable, precision-strike networks” along the Pacific Rim and “forward-based, rotational joint forces” to counteract the “renewed threat we face from great power competition.”

Davidson argues that, “without a valid and convincing conventional deterrent, China and Russia will be emboldened to take action in the region to supplant US interests.”

Watch People’s Congress

From the point of view of large swathes of the Global South, the current, extremely dangerous incandescence, or New Cold War, is mostly interpreted as the progressive ending of the Western coalition’s hegemony over the whole planet.

Still, scores of nations are being asked, bluntly, by the hegemon to position themselves once again in a “you’re with us or against us” global war on terror imperative.

At the annual session of the National People’s Congress, starting this Friday, we will see how China will be dealing with its top priority: to reorganize domestically after the pandemic.

For the first time in 35 years, Beijing will be forced to relinquish its economic growth targets. This also means that the objective of doubling GDP and per capita income by 2020 compared with 2010 will also be postponed.

What we should expect is absolute emphasis on domestic spending – and social stability – over a struggle to become a global leader, even if that’s not totally overlooked.

After all, President Xi Jinping made it clear earlier this week that a “Covid-19 vaccine development and deployment in China, when available,” won’t be subjected to Big Pharma logic, but “will be made a global public good. This will be China’s contribution to ensuring vaccine accessibility and affordability in developing countries.” The Global South is paying attention.

Internally, Beijing will boost support for state-owned enterprises that are strong in innovation and risk-taking. China always defies predictions by Western “experts.” For instance, exports rose 3.5% in April, when the experts were forecasting a decline of 15.7%. The trade surplus was $45.3 billion, when experts were forecasting only $6.3 billion.

Beijing seems to identify clearly the extending gap between a West, especially the US, that’s plunging into de facto New Great Depression territory with a China that’s about to rekindle economic growth. The center of gravity of global economic power keeps moving, inexorably, toward Asia.

Hybrid war? Bring it on.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Washington wants to prevent Russia and China supplanting US interests. Moscow and Beijing pursue what they see as their own legitimate interests. What we face is not a “hybrid” war or “New Cold War” but a world war.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

    • Agree: Realist, bluedog
    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  2. @peter mcloughlin

    What we face is not a “hybrid” war or “New Cold War” but a world war.

    Honestly, I don’t see it. My reasoning is simple, maybe too simple. The Chinese will not start a shooting war and the US has no guts for one. Its industry has been hollowed out not just by outsourcing but by corruption as well. The campaign of demonization against China is very obvious, how far it is working I have no way of telling. Among the 5-eyes probably quite well, in the rest of the World rather less well, I would imagine. Notably, the British economy has been hollowed out in exactly the same manner as the US’s. Canada’s, Australia’s, NewZealand’s? Could they, would they support a war?
    The other reason I think a shooting war is less likely than might appear, is that the the MIC is doing so well with the current cold war; that it would seem stupid to allow the massive disruption and uncertainty that a shooting war would cause to interrupt the torrent of cash being shoveled its way at the moment.

    • Agree: Miro23
    • Replies: @paranoid goy
    , @Avery
    , @Parfois1
  3. d dan says:

    “Hard landing” vs “Well and alive”. Who wins?

    source: comment #313 by Godfree Roberts
    https://www.unz.com/article/objections-to-an-independent-investigation-of-china/

    [MORE]

    1990. China’s economy has come to a halt. The Economist
    1996. China’s economy will face a hard landing. The Economist
    1998. China’s economy’s dangerous period of sluggish growth. The Economist
    1999. Likelihood of a hard landing for the Chinese economy. Bank of Canada
    2000. China currency move nails hard landing risk coffin. Chicago Tribune
    2001. A hard landing in China. Wilbanks, Smith & Thomas
    2002. China Seeks a Soft Economic Landing. Westchester University
    2003. Banking crisis imperils China. New York Times
    2004. The great fall of China? The Economist
    2005. The Risk of a Hard Landing in China. Nouriel Roubini
    2006. Can China Achieve a Soft Landing? International Economy
    2007. Can China avoid a hard landing? TIME
    2008. Hard Landing In China? Forbes
    2009. China’s hard landing. China must find a way to recover. Fortune
    2010: Hard landing coming in China. Nouriel Roubini
    2011: Chinese Hard Landing Closer Than You Think. Business Insider
    2012: Economic News from China: Hard Landing. American Interest
    2013: A Hard Landing In China. Zero Hedge
    2014. A hard landing in China. CNBC
    2015. Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing. Forbes
    2016. Hard landing looms for China. The Economist
    2017. Is China’s Economy Going To Crash? National Interest
    2018. China’s Coming Financial Meltdown. The Daily Reckoning.
    2019 China’s Economic Slowdown: How worried should we be? BBC
    2020. Coronavirus Could End China’s Decades-Long Economic Growth Streak. NY Times

    =========

    source: b
    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/this-illusion-is-alive-and-well.html#more

    Forbes – May 15 2012 – Meghan Casserly
    The American Dream Is Alive And Well… In New Jersey

    American Express – November 6 2012 – Rieva Lesonsky
    The American Dream is Alive and Well—and Transformed

    The Telegraph – August 4 2014 – Jeremy Warner
    The American Dream is alive and well, if you are trained for the jobs of the future

    Forbes – September 30 2015 – John Tamny – FreedomWorks
    Ignore The Left And Right, The American Dream Is Alive And Well

    FOX Business – August 22 2016 – Steve Tobak
    The American Dream Is Alive and Well

    Forbes India – November 1 2016 – Monte Burke
    The American dream is alive and well…

    Washington Times – June 19 2017 – Ed Feulner – Heritage Foundation
    The American Dream, alive and well

    KEDM – July 4 2018 – Byron Moore, Argent Advisors, Inc.
    The American Dream is Alive and Well

    New York Times – February 2 2019 – Samuel J. Abrams – American Enterprise Institute
    The American Dream Is Alive and Well

    Daily Caller – February 6 2019 – Steve Sanetti – NSSF Firearm Industry Trade Association
    The American Dream Is Alive And Well

    FOX Business – September 30 2019 – Julia Limitone
    Eric Trump: The American Dream is alive and well

    Mail Online – October 2019 – Lauren Fruen
    The American Dream is still alive! Children of poor immigrants still beat US-born kids up the ladder – just as they did 100 years ago – but now Chinese and Indian migrants have replaced Italian and Irish as the most successful

    CNBC – November 14 2019
    Billionaire Bob Parsons: The American Dream is alive and well

    FOX News – November 26 2019 – Carol Ross
    Carol Roth: The American Dream is alive and well — Let’s be thankful for it

    Clarion Ledger – December 10 2019 – Lynn Evans
    The American Dream is alive and well, but redefined

    Wall Street Journal – January 31, 2020 – Michael R. Strain, American Enterprise Institute
    The American Dream Is Alive and Well

    Newsweek – February 27 2020 – Lee Habeeb
    The American Dream Is Alive and Well. Just Ask District Taco’s Osiris Hoil

    The Independent Voice – May 7 2020 – Barbara Ball
    The American Dream is alive and well

    eKenyan – May 8 2020
    Opinion | The American Dream Is Alive and Well

    New York Times – May 18 2020 – Michael R. Strain – American Enterprise Institute
    The American Dream Is Alive and Well

    • Thanks: Ann Nonny Mouse, Usura
    • Replies: @FB
    , @ld
  4. Chinese strategists like Liu He publicly acknowledge that epidemics can catalyze geopolitical changes.

    Right now, China is leading the vaccine race and has developed an antibody treatment for Covid-19 that should be ready this year.

    If development is successful and if it donates the cure to the world as Xi promised and if WHO’s investigation shows China is not the source of the virus, and if China’s economy is firing on all cylinders in November, it’s game over: 3-0 China.

    I put the odds of that conjunction at 2:1.

  5. FB says: • Website
    @d dan

    LOLOLOL…

    You gotta love these headline fails…I mean how is it even possible to be so spectacularly WRONG about everything…time after time after time…?

    Folks if you want to know why the US is screwed, it’s because the same kind of geniuses that write these headlines are in charge of EVERYTHING…

    One day these people will be studied by psychologists dealing with MASSIVE DELUSION…🍄 🍄 🍄

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
  6. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Do you have any odds on Trump v. Biden?

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @ld
  7. vot tak says:

    Interesting article by Escobar. If one cares to notice, this anti-China cold war is a neocon based aggression. The primary movers of it are mostly neocons or the sorts who follow the neocon lead. China is one country the zionazi-gays have not been able to dominate. Coupled with China’s economic rise and appeal to developing countries, these zionazi oligarchs are going apeshit trying to bring China down. In addition to other articles referenced in the article, see also this Global Time report:

    Chinese ridicule Trump’s China ‘cut-off’ threat

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1188437.shtml

    “Americans will suffer

    [MORE]

    “Again! Trump is talking nonsense.” Trump seems to be losing his mind right now. Even he has such crazy ideas of cutting ties with China, US politicians, businessmen and Americans would not allow him to do so, Xin Qiang, deputy director of the Center for US Studies at Fudan University, told the Global Times.

    He noted that Trump is bluffing and acting tough toward China to win more support. Fox News, which has been regarded as Trump’s defender and is notorious for a lack of professionalism, is also making eye-catching news to draw attention.

    Jin Canrong, the associate dean of Renmin University of China’s School of International Studies in Beijing, told the Global Times on Thursday that Trump made very irresponsible and emotional remarks in the interview.

    “The China-US relationship is the most important bilateral relationship in the world and involves huge interests of the two countries, as well as the rest of the world. Therefore, it is not something he can cut off emotionally,” Jin said.

    “If the US unilaterally cuts off ties, the American people will pay a heavier price than us, because China’s domestic market is huge and 75-80 percent of Chinese manufacturers are supplying China’s market, and the 2 to 5 percent that supply the US can also be absorbed by the domestic market,” he noted.

    China has nothing to be afraid of as “in the past, we didn’t solve the Taiwan question because we wanted to maintain the China-US relationship, and if the US unilaterally cuts it off, we can just reunify Taiwan immediately since the Chinese mainland has an overwhelming advantage to solve this long-standing problem.”

    “Trump is like a giant baby on the brink of a meltdown as he faces tremendous pressure due to massive failures that caused such a high death toll,” Shen Yi, an expert from Fudan University, told the Global Times. “It’s like someone who wants to show his guts when he passes by a cemetery in midnight. He needs to shout to give himself the courage,” he said.

    Shen also noted that the American companies and industries would suffer the most severe consequences, because the supply chain has been integrated with China.

    “The Chinese public would only take such bluffing as a joke,” Shen said, adding that there has been no US president in the history who has made such a ridiculous statement against China, not even during the Cold War.

    Yuan Zheng, a research fellow at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences (CASS), said he could not even remember any US leader who took a similar action. “His flip-flop rhetoric is unprecedented, but we need to take a look at whether Trump will take real action,” he said, noting that there is no need to pay attention to claims that are unrealistic and meaningless.

    “For Trump, fantasy is power; bluffing is power, so he might use the future of his country to gamble with China. Although China always believes cooperation is the only right choice for the two countries to solve the problems together, if the US unilaterally and irrationally chooses all-out confrontation, China also needs to be prepared.”

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  8. vot tak says:

    A huge fleet of 117 tankers is bringing super cheap crude to China

    https://www.rt.com/business/488927-china-buys-super-cheap-oil/

    “At present, a total of 117 very large crude carriers (VLCCs) – each capable of shipping 2 million barrels of oil – are traveling to China for unloading at its ports between the middle of May and the middle of August. If those supertankers transport standard-size crude oil cargoes, it could mean that China expects at least 230 million barrels of oil over the next three months, according to Bloomberg. The fleet en route to China could be the largest number of supertankers traveling to the world’s top oil importer at one time, ever, Bloomberg News’ Firat Kayakiran says.

    Many of the crude oil cargoes are likely to have been bought in April, when prices were lower than the current price and when WTI Crude futures even dipped into negative territory for a day.

    Last month, emerging from the coronavirus lockdown, China’s oil refiners were already buying ultra-cheap spot cargoes from Alaska, Canada, and Brazil, taking advantage of the deep discounts at which many crude grades were being offered to China with non-existent demand elsewhere. ( https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/Chinese-Bargain-Hunters-Are-Stucking-Up-On-Ultra-Cheap-Crude-Oil.html )

    China was also estimated to have doubled the fill rate at its strategic and commercial inventories in Q1 2020, taking advantage of the low oil prices and somewhat supporting the oil market amid crashing demand by diverting more imports to storage, rather than outright slashing crude imports.

    China’s crude oil imports jumped in April to about 9.84 million barrels per day as demand for fuels began to rebound and local refiners started to ramp up crude processing, according to Chinese customs data cited by Reuters.”

    Well, now we know who was taking advantage of those pindo negative oil price sales… ;-D

    The Chinese are at the advantage here, not being neocon/likud bottom rungers. The desperation of zionazia is expressed in choosing the neocon lowlife to run things in the western colonies. Yes, their extremism provides the initiative in getting extreme capitalist policies through and continues the push to the extreme far right in the zionazi-gay colonies. But it is at the cost of intelligent long term strategy. Short term imaginary gain at the cost of real gain. The fast food, face feeding, bum bandit approach. The quick fixers.

    • Agree: Anti_barabas_ite
  9. @Godfree Roberts

    China’s economy won’t be firing on all cylinders by November, but the important parts of it will be. The manufacturers I talk to have weathered the worst of it, and their order books for Q4 are more or less back to what they were in January (or at least healthy enough to prevent soft skill losses). Many are upbeat about the future. (Not all of them will survive, and the ones that die probably should have done so years ago.)

    Compare this to the rest of Asia (Bangladesh, Pakistan, India, Cambodia, Myanmar, and others): they are a mess. Bangladesh put all its eggs in the huge volume low quality basket and will now pay a fatal price. Pakistan was dead before corona, and is now in a manufacturing death spiral. India has the capacity to succeed, but is hamstrung by a caste-based barbarism that has jettisoned all pretense of decency by throwing migrant workers in the informal economy to their deaths. This will not be forgotten and I predict years of trouble. The others only have a manufacturing sector because the Chinese moved their factories there. Vietnam has some chance, and should be a big winner as China moves out of low- to middle-end manufacturing.

    Countries in South America have lost their opportunity. China passed them by years ago. It’s a tragedy, but they really have themselves to blame for it. And Africa, the last frontier, is already dominated by China (15 years ago I’d bump into Chinese businessmen who’d ship a 40-foot container of – ‘insert any product you can think of’ – to some back of beyond place in Africa and refuse to come home until everything was sold). They’ve moved up the ladder since then. Ethiopia, the fastest-growing economy on the continent, is essentially an industrial zone for Chinese manufacturing.

    Australia has become a mine/farm for China. New Zealand and Canada likewise, and a nice place to send your teenagers to get educated and perhaps for retirement.

    The EU, led by Germany, will be back on track soon. The winners here should be the former USSR countries, with low labor costs and strong soft skills. With EU companies wanting to bring the supply chain closer to home, this is their moment. If they screw it up, they will spend another 30 years wondering what went wrong. I hope they won’t, but if you spend any time working with these people you know they often fail at the final hurdle (as though on purpose – the psychology of self-destruction is their Achilles heel).

    It’s China’s game to lose. And quite frankly, at this point, I don’t see how. This has been in the making since the late 70s. Perhaps earlier. I admire them for their intelligence, their work ethic, their organizational capacity, their can-do spirit, and – yes – their creativity (if you think China is Japan in the 60s, you need to spend some serious time with younger Chinese in China).

    The Chinese problem is, of course, its culture of responsibility avoidance. But even with this issue, they are on track for a knockout victory. Most people in the West have no idea what going on, which is exactly how You Know Who likes it.

    I have no intention of letting my tribe be overrun by Chinese. But I have enough experience to know they’re smarter than my tribe, and it would be a wise thing to start thinking more strategically and tactically about how to carve out a space in a new world most people are unable to imagine (which is less than 10 years away).

  10. @Godfree Roberts

    The center of gravity of global economic power keeps moving, inexorably, toward Asia.

    it’s game over

    While the U.S. spent recent decades policing the world in pointless wars, China was about the business of building an infrastructure in which all roads lead to Beijing, railroad cars and boatloads of wealth. Just keep it coming, folks. Those roads and railroads and shipping are linking nothing less than Eurasia, Sir Halford’s World Island. It took this coronavirus to show the imperial subjects that the Empire is naked and that China had already surpassed it economically several years ago. It seems like it really is game over. I’m sad in a way, but I would rather have a normal country than a hegemon; that is, if normalcy is still a possibility.

    • Agree: Realist
  11. What about the biggest hybrid war going on since centuries ago: jews (including crypto-jews, hybrids and minions) versus everybody else?
    The chinese had the full cooperation of diaspora jews (and their sayanim network) and israelis. Specially the Chabad Lubavich.

  12. Miro23 says:

    From the referenced Global Times article, the US attack on Huawei (with its 5G leadership + NSA proof encryption ) is at the heart of the story:

    Based on Global Times sources, if the US further pinches Chinese telecommunication giant Huawei by blocking companies such as TSMC from providing chips to the company, China will carry out countermeasures, such as including certain US companies into its list of “unreliable entities,” imposing restrictions on or investigating US companies such as Qualcomm, Cisco and Apple, and suspending purchases of Boeing aircraft.

    The US would lose this fight. Apple for example manufactures in China with only a small percentage of the sales price staying in China. If Apple manufacturing is shut down then Apple is the big loser. They’re already trying to move manufacturing to India but that’s not going to work.

    We must be clear that coping with US suppression will be the key focus of China’s national strategy. We should enhance cooperation with most countries. The US is expected to contain China’s international frontlines, and we must knock out this US plot and make China-US rivalry a process of US self-isolation.

    China has plenty of alternative markets. US corporations mostly only sell to the US using (now very sophisticated) Chinese manufacturing. Take this away, and Apple for example, have no alternative supplier for the volumes, quality, sub-contractor network and export infrastructure required.

    General Qiao dismisses the possibility that Vietnam, the Philippines, Bangladesh, India and other Asian nations may replace China’s cheap workforce: “Think about which of these countries has more skilled workers than China. What quantity of medium and high level human resources was produced in China in these past 30 years? Which country is educating over 100 million students at secondary and university levels? The energy of all these people is still far from being liberated for China’s economic development.”

    True.

    This will imply a concerted offensive, trying to enforce embargoes and trying to block regional markets to Chinese companies. Lawfare will be the norm. Even freezing Chinese assets in the US is not a far-fetched proposition anymore.

    If the US steals the $ trillions China has invested in US treasuries, then the US dollar also forfeits its claim to be the world reserve currency (safe place to hold international trade balances).

    Still, scores of nations are being asked, bluntly, by the hegemon to position themselves once again in a “you’re with us or against us” global war on terror imperative.

    9/11 was fakery pumped up by the MSM to target Iraq/Iran and Covid-19 is more of the same – this time targeting China. European states are getting tired of this game. For example they were all dragged into supporting the Venezuela CIA coup that fizzled, and are now trying to disentangle from it.

    General Qiao counsels, “Don’t think that only territorial sovereignty is linked to the fundamental interests of a nation. Other kinds of sovereignty – economic, financial, defense, food, resources, biological and cultural sovereignty – are all linked to the interests and survival of nations and are components of national sovereignty.”

    If the US public look carefully at General Qiao’s list they will realize that they have already lost more than 50% of these sovereignties.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  13. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    “ General Qiao dismisses the possibility …….. India and other Asian nations may replace China’s c: “Think about which of these countries has more skilled “

    Everyday US. news are amplifying the bipartisan chorus against China . India is begging for favors from USA while serenading USA with reinforcing American position.

    India is stealing land from Nepal and Indian media thinks that ultranationalist of Nepal are to blame for questioning Indian stance .

    China is under a real threat of concerted attacks by the US ‘s opportunistic vassals. There will be a seismic change affecting the alliances and the future .
    Can China persuade Nepal Bangladesh Pakistan Sri Lanka Afghanistan Iran and Myanmar to work together and persuade them move out of India’s hegemony ?.

  14. Natt says:

    Nice fluff piece. China is fucked. Demographically, economically and militarily.

  15. Carlos22 says:

    They are probably looking past Trump as they think he may not get back in.

    Nov is just a few months away.

    The question is what will the democrats do?

    Not that I particularly want that of course.

    • Replies: @KA
  16. carlusjr says:

    It’s always astounding to read a geopolitical analysis by a journalist who completely ignores the climate pollution crisis with it’s impending effects overhanging every strategy any state may envision to dominate the planet. It’s as if the writer lives in an imaginary world devoid of nature, along with his supposed expert sources and well placed powerful state movers and shakers. This is delusional. China’s cheap forced labor, making more crap for the planet’s shrinking population of affluent consumers, competing with other countries with equally desperate workers. Countries competing to build the most dangerous bio-weapons in their unsafe, leaky level 4 labs. All the while the atmosphere is being polluted to the point of melting all the ice on the planet, the air is being degraded to the point of being disgusting to see and carcinogenic to breath, the fresh water supply is being depleted and polluted, the oceans degraded into radioactive chemical cesspools (soon to be a brown sludge inhabited by only bacteria, viruses and fungus), the land ceded with thousands of chemicals that have no purpose other than to kill. The existential threshold is within a few years. The geopolitical strategy of the US and China can be summarized as a strategy to kill all sentient life on the planet in order to have a some sort of imaginary strategic dominance. It is mass psychosis.

  17. Biff says:
    @anon

    Do you have any odds on Trump v. Biden?

    I’ve got 2 to 1 odds the voting machines will be electing Biden. They got this far didn’t they?

    • LOL: Curmudgeon
  18. @foolisholdman

    Old man, don’t be foolish, they all hate us human scum, and will gladly go to war, are at war. Remember how, in Catch 22, the opposing sides eventually saved a crap load of money by geting Milo de Milo to bomb their own airfields using his supply planes? Its already happening, us plebs are just in the way. In the end, the Protocols calls for one government ruling what’s left of mankind “with an iron staff.” I cannot tell you (yet) what Zion’s hold on Beijing is, but be assured, “bring on the war” is the swill of Zion being lapped up by little globalist piggies trying to get to the trough.
    People think ‘hybrid warfare” is some kind of technological term. Zion chooses its words very carefully, and your first defence is your dictionary. The USAGE of words change with time, the MEANING is constant. Now let’s go find them hybrids, before Bill Gates can create enough microcephalics to man his man/machine interfaced battle ‘droids armed with depleted uranium bullets and virally-delivered vaccines.

    • Replies: @Getaclue
  19. @carlusjr

    Pollution sure is an important issue, one of the most important of our time, yes. The subject matter at hand though, is mostly military, with economics as a condiment to explain the sour taste. China might be the one manufacturing plastic turds, but it is the so-called western media that is teaching your children the dire need to own the latest version of plastic poop. China would not bother with plastic poop, but you voted for people who decided China makes the best poo at the lowest cost and highest profit. Don’t blame China for taking advantage of YOUR leadership’s desire to disown YOU and hand your habitat over to those who “know how to make a profit” from your suffering, while dangling a piece of plastic poop in front of you, calling it ambition, and deplatforming you if you refuse their offer of improved turdiness.
    But yah, now we know you hate pollution. Soon we will close down all the factories, and ban all cars, and only those on “official business” will be alowed on aeroplanes, and then you can breathe freely, as you stand in line, so the Special Agents can see if you have the Bill Gates vaccine licence to visit the plastic poop and soylent green depository that we used to call a supermarket.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  20. A toxic racism-meets-anti-communism matrix is responsible for the predominant anti-Chinese sentiment across the US, encompassing at least 66% of the whole population.

    No it isn’t.

    A hint of what is responsible is this from the same article:

    “They have state of the art technology, but not the methods and production capacity. So they have to rely on Chinese production.”

    Our jobs, our industry, our hard-earned intellectual property, and our money have all gone to China. Our own leaders of industry and government are to blame for our predicament, but our anger at China is the result.

    Funny this from the Chinese General Qiao:

    “as a producing country, we still cannot satisfy our manufacturing industry with our own resources and rely on our own markets to consume our products.”

    No kidding, General. Your country built itself up by selling to us! We made you into our own rival. Thanks are in order, but instead you plot to weaken us.

    • Agree: SBaker
  21. Tor597 says:

    Just wanted to point out the excellent concept of cultural sovereignty as something that is akin to territorial sovereignty.

    Both are needed, but cultural sovereignty is ever more important to inoculate your citizens against globe homo.

    • Agree: showmethereal, SBaker
    • Replies: @Miro23
  22. Half-Jap says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Sounds like a man who has no understanding of the science regarding the matter, but so doesn’t most of the world. Vaccine? Anti-body treatment? Does anybody know what they are and how they work (or doesn’t) or mean? From those tests to those invasive ventilators, it shows me how people can easily be herded towards slaughter, for their safety, ofc, because “science.” And just over a mild cold no less.
    So much for China’s brilliance; they are as dumb or brainwashed by ‘accepted science’ as the next moronic authority figure.
    But exploiting the situation, that’s something else that should be appreciated.

  23. anon[232] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    China is leading

    Godfree, we will bury you and your beloved CCP.

    • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
  24. Adûnâi says:

    This will be China’s contribution to ensuring vaccine accessibility and affordability in developing countries.” The Global South is paying attention.

    Do the underdeveloped (hate the PC term “developing”) countries even want a vaccine? They have too many people anyway, any moderate dying will be an advantage to their societies. And another point is that the anti-vaxxer movement there might be on the rise, just as it is in America – remember how the Philippines government was watching a conspiracy video about evil Bill Gates? I have talked to anti-vaxxer people in my Ukrainian university!

    “Containment” will go into overdrive. A neat example is Admiral Philip Davidson – head of the Indo-Pacific Command – asking for $20 billion for a “robust military cordon” from California to Japan and down the Pacific Rim, complete with “highly survivable, precision-strike networks” along the Pacific Rim and “forward-based, rotational joint forces” to counteract the “renewed threat we face from great power competition.”

    My prediction is the US goes into a civil war > the liberals start losing > the liberals invite the Chinese into California > the Chinese exterminate all Americans and get a large Lebensraum in the East.

    • Replies: @Poco
    , @Mary Marianne
  25. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    a Korea War pictorial. Nice.
    It’s long long ago since China made the last movie about Korea War. Too long ago that they are in black and white.
    Recently someone is preparing for a new movie: The Chosin Lake.
    I really hope it will be well made. I love war movies, especially the ones on historical big wars.

  26. @Natt

    I think you are mistaken and are describing America.

  27. @Buzz Mohawk

    I think the Western globalists though that China would be subservient to them and not get any funny ideas, this virus is just a cover for antipathy that was building up for years, similar to how the poor Jews being persecuted in Germany was used by propagandists to whip up Germany sentiment, because of German economic prowess.

    Western thinking is dominated by this balance of power mentality, the same mentality such caused it to enter into two fratricidal wars not too long ago.

    One can only hope this is good news for us, but I fear the globalists will just use this time to move manufacturing to other Third World countries instead of bringing it back home.

    I agree that it was a huge mistake transferring our IP to China, they would simply have not got to this point if we hadn’t. This is also why the Chinese are not taking any chances in their BRI, and are using Chinese labour instead of doing the more sustainable thing and training up local workers, that would mean a destruction of their market! Sadly this will continue, on top of the terrible policy of mass Third World immigration, we let Chinese into out top companies and research facilities, some of whom no doubt pass this information back home.

    https://time.com/5596066/emory-fires-chinese-researchers/

    In terms of realpolitik, I think it is very smart that China is using its diaspora as a fifth column.

  28. padre says:
    @Natt

    Do you know, how many times in their short history of about roughly 5000 years were Chinese doomed ?

  29. So the Global South is going to be “grateful” to China for coming up with vaccination after innudating it with the Chinese virus in the first place … Pepe, lay of the Mezcal because is clouding your opaque thinking!

  30. Let me make this clear. America is self-destructing. A malignant narcissist in charge and a man who cannot construct a sentence is an alternative. A stock market devoid of reality and a 1 percent devoid of conscience. Any remote consideration of the other 99 percent is soley based on profit. Any civilization that cannot reverse itself is doomed. China maybe a shortterm factor yet not a factor in the longer considerations.

    • Replies: @Mary Marianne
  31. Avery says:
    @foolisholdman

    {Honestly, I don’t see it.}

    Agree.

    {….. and the US has no guts for one. Its industry has been hollowed out not just by outsourcing but by corruption as well.}

    Even in the 50s when US industry was not hollowed out (…ran supreme) and China had no nukes, US was unable to defeat China in a ground war in Korea. Of course there was talk in US of using nukes against China (Gen. MacArthur), but cooler heads prevailed, arguing that, that would trigger USSR to use nukes too, resulting in world wide nuclear conflagration.

    Now China has nukes, and delivery systems, and US cannot possible defeat China conventionally, so US will huff-and-puff, try to damage China financially, or steal its holdings in US*, but nothing will come out of it.

    Sad that US screwed itself over the years so badly that it is in this predicament now.

    _____________________________
    * There has been semi-serious talk in US of just taking $ hundreds of billions of Chinese holdings in US as payment for ‘damages’ China has supposedly caused US by Covid-19.

  32. Big Daddy says:

    All this big nation state fluff stinks today as it did when the first two Western ones, England and France had a 100 Years War and it has stunk throughout history.

    We humans are born naked, helpless, and totally ignorant. We also have an evil streak in us; vide Adam and Eve. And as Shakespeare stated we must consign ourselves to a willing death each eve or we die. We are so haughty yet the first thing we must do upon wakening from our nightly death is evacuate waste.

    We have never respected Nature. Now we spray aluminum and plastic microns in the upper atmosphere which we all breathe as they fall and have virtually destroyed the ozone layer and the biosphere. We live in 1984 right now!

    True libertarianism which is no aggression against person or property and backed up by cheap, Natural Law arbitration courts works. It is that or sayonara humans.

  33. Realist says:
    @Natt

    Nice fluff piece. China is fucked. Demographically, economically and militarily.

    Is that you Trump?

    You’re new around these here parts…aren’t you boy?

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @John Nada
  34. Parfois1 says:
    @foolisholdman

    My reasoning is simple, maybe too simple. The Chinese will not start a shooting war and the US has no guts for one.

    You may be right about the Chinese (their government looks after 1,3 billion people) and that the US has no guts. But what is the “US”? If you mean the (mostly Jewish) ruling cabal and their goyim political clowns and puppets, you have no reason to be so sanguine about the “no guts”. It’s not their guts that will be on the line, for they will be quite happy so sacrifice millions of the plebes for the greater good of Israel and rebooting the “economy”. War devastations (and pandemics) are the greatest source for immiserating and culling the masses and channeling wealth to the banksters.

    Facing the demise of the Jewish-led hegemony through its PNAC’s “full-spectrum dominance” – and what that could do to the SHITIS (shit-state of Israel) – it is reasonable (in their twisted minds) to step to the brink and beyond. Besides, the most recent great wars (the greatest carnages in the world’s history) were not intended to end the way the warhawks wanted (neither Hitler not Chamberlain wished the destruction of country or empire) but the power dynamics unleashed by geopolitical gamesmanship suppresses reason.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  35. @paranoid goy

    Non-CO2 pollution is a non-issue. It was far worse in the USA and China 50 years ago (air and water), and in Europe/East coast USA over 200 years ago. Wildlife populations are also rebounding. Every time I hear some retard complaining about pollution on the internet, I want to reach through the monitor and pepper spray them.

    • Agree: dogbumbreath
    • Disagree: Anti_barabas_ite
    • Troll: FB
  36. bigduke6 says:

    A toxic racism

    You’re a “toxic racist” cries the yellow supremacist as he shills for Beijing

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  37. GeeBee says:
    @Natt

    In other news, the USA’s Ministry of Plenty has announced that the weekly chocolate ration is to be increased from 70 gms to 40 gms…

  38. ld says:
    @d dan

    The American Dream is Live and well.

    If they keep saying it like a mantra maybe it will come true.

    Trust the media.

  39. ld says:
    @anon

    They say that Biden is Israel’s pick so it will likey be Biden.
    His senility will make him easier to control than Trump.

  40. The zionists are in control of China and the ZUS and Russia and Europe and India and everywhere in central and South America, and the fact is the zionist control was proven by every country that forced their people into the forced lockdown, using this scam of a coronavirus as an excuse.

    These wars are a deversion, as the zionist install their global prison.

    • Agree: mark tapley
    • Troll: Mary Marianne
  41. AWM says:

    “When will the Communist “clenched fist” attack America?”

    Stanislav Lunev: “As soon as they can’t steal from you anymore.”

    Guess what folks, the “Combloc Flu” was the first strike.

  42. 450.org says:

    General Qiao dismisses the possibility that Vietnam, the Philippines, Bangladesh, India and other Asian nations may replace China’s cheap workforce: “Think about which of these countries has more skilled workers than China. What quantity of medium and high level human resources was produced in China in these past 30 years? Which country is educating over 100 million students at secondary and university levels? The energy of all these people is still far from being liberated for China’s economic development.”

    Once again, I must caveat this with the proclamation I was not and I am not an advocate for Obama’s TPP. The reason I’m not an advocate is for environmental purposes. I believe growth is killing the living planet and soon enough will extinct humans as well as many, most even, other species on the planet. The TPP did nothing to address growth and instead enabled it further by enhancing global trade versus diminishing it.

    That being said, the TPP was a strategy to contain China’s growing influence. It was intended to put global trade eggs in many baskets and not just in the basket labeled China. What does Trump do? He puts all the trade eggs in China’s basket under the aegis/rubric of repatriating manufacturing to America. He put a knife in TPP and killed it but he never brought manufacturing back to America. Now America is truly good and fucked. Over a barrel. No options. Can you believe this moron and the cabal that’s using him as a foil? Like I said before, if Trump didn’t exist, the CCP would have to invent him because more than any other power player, be it Russia or Saudi Arabia or Israel, Trump has been extremely beneficial to China. Under Trump’s watch, China is now the most powerful country in the world. Because of Trump, China is now the leader of the world. America, finally, has been knocked from its perch just as England was over 100 years prior. Once knocked from the perch, there is no regaining the status you once enjoyed. I suspect that within five years the dollar will no longer be the world’s currency. When that happens, it’s lights out for America FOR REAL. All this banter is whistling past the graveyard. What’s done is done.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/06/21/commentary/japan-commentary/chinas-the-reason-why-u-s-needs-the-tpp/#.XsUuMS-z17M

    House Democrats who’ve been interfering with President Barack Obama’s ability to negotiate the Trans-Pacific Partnership are missing something very important: The trade deal isn’t primarily significant because of the economy. It matters because it’s part of the broader American geostrategic goal of containing China — which pointedly hasn’t been invited to join the TPP.

    In the new cool war, China’s rising economic influence is giving it greater geopolitical power in Asia. The TPP is, above all, an effort to push back on China’s powerful trade relationships to reduce its political clout. By weakening Obama’s ability to pursue it, congressional Democrats had been unintentionally weakening the U.S. side in the cool war.

    In all this, China is using its close economic relationship with its neighbors as leverage to build its geopolitical position. Its ultimate goal is to displace the U.S. as the regional hegemon. President Xi Jinping’s slogan of the “Chinese dream” requires nothing less.

    The TPP aims to reduce some of China’s geopolitical resurgence by damping down the extent of China’s regional trade dominance. China itself has a proposed regional trade alliance, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, that would include 16 members and exclude the U.S. Australia, Japan and South Korea are all involved in negotiations to become members. The TPP is a direct, competitive counterpart to the RCEP.

    Fyi, the following cartoon is per China Daily, a publication owned and run by the CCP. It’s favorable to Trump. It’s clear by virtue of Trump’s cozy relationship with Putin and Xi that Trump is a communist in capitalist clothing. He is a communist trojan horse in the oval office. But he’s even more than that. He has many hats. He’s a tool, a self-promoting front man, for any tyrant or tyranny that expands his brand masquerading as a man of the people. As if. He’s a man, albeit an insane moron, of the extractive elite and the extractive elite are transnational and transcultural. The extractive elite are a nation and culture unto themselves and the rest of us are their slaves on this global plantation.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  43. @Weston Waroda

    Once reserved currency status of dollar is over n done with, there would be zero need for the huge military budget. That is the silver lining of this whole thing. The wars might finally stop. But living standards will take a hit from the devaluation of the dollar. But but, Jobs would return through that weakened dollar as off shoring jobs would no longer make sense. And just maybe, our political class might finally focus on domestic issues and improve the country after 4 decades of stagnation.

  44. @Miro23

    Apple follows every single law in China. Apple makes a lot of money in China, but also pays alot of taxes. I highly doubt it would be a target of retaliation. But other companies are fair game. Just something I noticed.

  45. 450.org says:
    @carlusjr

    Spot on. Humans are drowning in their own filth. There’s an adage, “don’t shit where you eat.” Humans invented the saying but apparently don’t abide by it and in fact zealously defy it. Here we are. It will be one pandemic after another from now until human is no more. Rapid pace, like automatic weapon fire. The center cannot hold and is not holding. Civilization is going down. Will the Samson Option be utilized? Man’s last act? Destroy the planet entirely if he can’t have it entirely? My bet is this is how it will go down. All you have to do is extrapolate the curve.

    • Replies: @mike99588
  46. As long as America’s Most Important Ally™ is safe…

  47. Cowboy says:

    Another bubblegum pop song from Lil Peepee and the chinks

  48. @bigduke6

    It is quite obvious why they are doing, they are using Europeans’ own liberal ideology against them. In today’s Western world, nothing is worse than being a “racist” (except maybe, just maybe a paedophile necrophiliac, but even that is a close one) as such they will use these terms to beat down Europeans. Erdogan recently likened Greece to “Nazis”, due to their brave defiance to Third World invaders.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/11/erdogan-compares-greek-border-crackdown-to-nazi-atrocities

    As if they genuinely give a shit about Nazis, a particularly European obsession due to decades of brainwashing by the Jewish media elite. Even if one believes the textbooks in relation to Nazi atrocities, the fact is that such things are normal for history. No other people’s beat themselves down over bad stuff they’ve done, hell, the Mongolians have erected a big statue of Genghis Khan, one of the greatest mass murderers in history!

  49. Hegar says:

    Extremely misleading headline. Since the Asia Times story is actually about economic and political sovereignity – always a big issue for China ever since the Eight Powers carved up the nation in the past: Germany, Japan, Russia, Britain, France, Italy, Austria-Hungary, and the U.S.

    It doesn’t speak about warfare against the U.S. It speaks about meeting a threat from the U.S. It does speak of taking Taiwan, though by avoiding outright warfare. This is not something we should desire, but it is not war against the U.S., as the misleading headline is intended to make people believe.

    As usual most of the rubes will only read the headline and look at the pictures, maybe skim through the text a bit, before typing out an angry post based on whether they like or dislike whatever nation is mentioned. Much like cruzbots and Bush lovers use Breitbart comments to screech against Iran and praise Israel. No facts needed.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  50. KA says:
    @Carlos22

    Trump is serious about getting out of Afghanistan. To prevent this Wall Street might decide to bring Biden. Another reason for them to get rid of Trump is the constant desecration of the symbolism by Trump.

    • Replies: @Ber
    , @Herald
  51. @vot tak

    I like how vot tak thinks, as he/she wrote:
    “Interesting article by Escobar. If one cares to notice, this anti-China cold war is a neocon based aggression.”

    Obvious, and with great benefit to Israel, Americans have short memories, and are vulnerable to being misled by the wiles of shabbos goy, President Donald J. Trump.

    Just last year, the Trump family visited China and childishly tried to charm China’s leadership including the powerful Xi Jinping.
    You Tube video (below) will display how the Trump’s put on a good show, and the clip features the charming & little Arabella as a “secret weapon,” and she sings a song in Mandarin. Haha. Ivanka Kushner got a product line green light from the Chinese. 🙌

    Nonetheless, Trump’s secret & “aggressive” WMD was the Goldman Sachs Group’s agenda which was/is to do untethered investment business throughout the world’s largest consumer market, China.🤑 (Note: The CCP demands foreign investment must be tethered to Chinese)

    Despite Trump’s present COV-19 blather, including “the US will come back, stronger than ever,” 🙄Netanyahu, Putin, and Xi know how the ZUS economy is tanking. Doubtless, the global Force of international Supremacist Jewry will strive to hedge bets, and continue to “win” when World War dust clears.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  52. @Buzz Mohawk

    “Thanks are in order, but instead you plot to weaken us.”

    I hope that’s sarcasm. Maybe the thanks you give to a mug who you’ve just fleeced.

    We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.” – Lord Palmerston – he’s been requoted by de Gaulle and Kissinger among others.

    Back in the day there were also racial ties between countries, but alas the racial ties that seem to count in modern politics are those of racial resentment – see the neocons on Russia. Stolypin was a great man, but they identify with his assassin Bogrov.

  53. KA says:
    @Just Passing Through

    g, they are using Europeans’ own liberal ideology against them” .

    Why should anyone expect that this or any ideology be held sacrosanct ? First of all Europeans and American establishments do that al the times. They undermine very values they profess to promote . They use the veneer of the liberalism to undermine other countries ,overthrow governments, destroy culture and society .

    For years American “ only ally in ME” Israel has used American own ideas agisnt USA either by distorting or by selectively emphasizing . American leaders from all walks of lives – religious cultural academic finances and politics have joined the fray for careerism .

    Other countries have abused it because they have seen that inherent weakness in it might work to their advantages . When they do that ,they know they are just using the same cookbook west has used agisnt them .

  54. DB Cooper says:
    @Anon

    “India is stealing land from Nepal and Indian media thinks that ultranationalist of Nepal are to blame for questioning Indian stance .
    China is under a real threat of concerted attacks by the US ‘s opportunistic vassals. There will be a seismic change affecting the alliances and the future .
    Can China persuade Nepal Bangladesh Pakistan Sri Lanka Afghanistan Iran and Myanmar to work together and persuade them move out of India’s hegemony ?.”

    India stole land from every single of its neighbors, not just Nepal. As of today India has unresolved border disputes with every single of its neighbors, some of it extremely testy. Nepal Bangladesh Sri Lanka and to a certain extent Myanmar is under India’s hegemony. A few years ago Indian troops in the name of chasing insurgents crossed into Myanmar causing a small diplomatic rift between the two countries. Pakistan is big enough and military strong enough that its defiance against India is well known and there is not much India can do about it. China probably couldn’t care less whether these countries can move out of India’s hegemony but its policies especially the BRI will effectively weaken whatever strangle hold India think it has on these countries. Iran has never been under India hegemony.

    • Replies: @anon
  55. @Weston Waroda

    When are Americans going to use albendazole or mebendazole??? Make USA free of parasites.

    • Replies: @Weston Waroda
  56. Trinity says:

    Why are there no articles with headlines accusing Israel of manufacturing the (((coronavirus?))) I mean wouldn’t Israel be a likely suspect? Oh, we already heard the “Anglo-Zionist” title. Why wouldn’t it be the Zionist-Anglo angle? haha. The title Anglo-Zionist makes it appear the Anglo controls the Zionist and is the mastermind, not the Zionist. A few posters have started the conspiracy theory that it is a Sino-Zionist or better yet, a Zionist-Sino operation. Whatcha think? Any possibilities of that one being true?

  57. @Just Passing Through

    You are an idiot.
    History and historical figures should be judged according to the mores and morals of their age. He was a warrior and very different from the modern brave Americans and British who killed a few hundred thousands from atomic and incendiary bombs in Japan and Germany.

  58. @anon

    How? When your arse is on the line (i.e. USA or UK) with tit for tat nukes you will take it easy, it’s guaranteed.

  59. Trump just pimpslapped Winnie the flu

    Some wacko in China just released a statement blaming everybody other than China for the Virus which has now killed hundreds of thousands of people. Please explain to this dope that it was the “incompetence of China”, and nothing else, that did this mass Worldwide killing!

    Brutal stuff, American ‘diplomacy’ at its finest.

  60. @JohnPlywood

    So can you give us a timeline comparative rundown on planet wide land pollution/depletion and water pollution/marine life depletion ? I have a hunch that those will not conform to the air pollution comparisons you have proffered.

  61. anon[344] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper

    China probably couldn’t care less whether these countries can move out of India’s hegemony but its “

    China needs to do this to foil an aggressive all front all out activity against it mounted by USA with India in tow. Afghanistan and Myanmar offer opportunities to India to play a serious role against China . Bangladesh ’s ruling class is mortgaged to India .Bangladesh’s military and police are beholden to India . Results of the corruption . China is facing momentous fork in the road in terms of how it should proceed vs a vs these 2 countries- India and USA. Good neighbors are very important .

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
  62. KA says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    I agree with you

    but “WHO’s investigation shows China is not the source of the virus”- who cares if China were the first country to get infected or not or if virus escaped from the lab .

    Either we impose moratorium on researches on deadly pathogen or we bring it under complete transparency under a world body overseen by rotating countries of the UN .

    Otherwise the risks always are there . Also US need to admit the past viral activities, expose itself to the world about deadly pathogen it has released “accidentally” and politically over the years and come clean .

    Paying attention to western narrative just because US and Australia are thumping their chests is not a viable option for humanity .

    Enough bioterrorism has been committed by US and as we post is possibly being committed now in ME.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  63. John Nada says:
    @Realist

    “Is that you Trump?
    You’re new around these here parts…aren’t you boy?”

    He must be. He hasn’t gotten the message that a faithful Unz contributor is expected to happily suck on Chinese Communist Party peckers and say “ahhh…thank you!” after they blow their loads in his face.

    At least over at ZeroHedge they have the decency to shill for Russia only implicitly via an absence of the mockery and scrutiny they heap upon other powerful nations. You won’t see articles that outright claim the superiority of Russian politics and culture. Here at Unz they’re not content with such a passive approach. At Unz you get treated to a laughably transparent China shill piece at a frequency of ~2.5/week.

    Pepe Escobar? Yeah right. More like Xinzhong Dong.

    • Agree: Poco
    • Troll: Olivier1973
    • Replies: @Realist
  64. denk says:
    @Anon

    iNDIA and Jp are the perennial whitemen sepoy.

    In 1962, China was at odds with both super powers, FUKUS and USSR.
    Not content with inheriting a massive land booty from mother England, iNDia saw an ‘opportunity’ for more land grab.
    Goaded by Washington, Indian jawans kept
    pushing northwards into Chinese controlled
    territories, China’s initial inaction and repeated appeal for negotiation was construed as sign of weakness, which only emboldened more aggressive Indian encroachments.
    Beijing finally realised that the only way to achieve peace at the border was to teach the Indians a lesson they wouldnt forget.

    Sure enough, the Indians didnt forget that drubbing at the hand of PLA.
    nOW that China is reeling from CV19, FUKUS is inciting proxy war in SCS, TW straits, Delhi see its ‘opportunity’ again.

    There’s a blow up bet PLA and Indian jawans
    , worse than the 2017 Dotlam confrontation.

    Beijing must be vigilant for a multi front attack
    orchestrated from Washington.
    Do you think the flare up at the border and SCS and TW straits are coincidences ?

    India is very dangerous inspite of its inept
    military.

    Firstly its recklessness, as witnessed in the
    1962 challenge to a superior PLA force.
    Secondly it carried a big chip on its shoulder
    after that 1962 thrashing.
    Thirdly its nuke program was built up entirely with China in sight.
    the Agni 5 mssile was even called ‘The China killer’.
    [Imagine the hue and cry from the [[[five liars]]] if China adopt such an aggressive stance]

    The barbarians are at the gate again,
    China watch out.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/india-intensifying-american-backed-hybrid-war-china/5712884

    • Thanks: thetruth
  65. FB says: • Website
    @Change that Matters

    Interesting comment…

    You sound like you have some experience in international trade…but some of your conclusions seem rather cartoonish…

    The winners here should be the former USSR countries, with low labor costs and strong soft skills. With EU companies wanting to bring the supply chain closer to home, this is their moment.

    If they screw it up, they will spend another 30 years wondering what went wrong. I hope they won’t, but if you spend any time working with these people you know they often fail at the final hurdle (as though on purpose – the psychology of self-destruction is their Achilles heel)

    Well…I have quite a bit of experience with the eastern block countries and your characterization here is bizarre…

    All the advanced industry and manufacturing that these countries had during Soviet times has vanished…this is things like airframe and turbine engine manufacturing, even advanced aerospace design and manufacturing in the case of Ukraine…

    It’s important here to distinguish WHAT kinds of stuff a country is capable of designing and making on its own…not just a ‘a 40-foot container of – insert any product you can think of’…

    Such manufacturing you speak of entails commodity goods for consumers that are cranked out in large volumes…of course that is all well and good, and this is a necessary part of life since we all need these kinds of everyday goods…

    But this is NOT the kind of advanced industry that will provide employment for a graduating class of nuclear and aerospace engineers and scientists…these people will need to seek opportunities in more advanced countries…and eventually your education, academic and research infrastructure becomes purposeless and superfluous, and shrivels and dies…

    Sorry…but this is NOT how a nation progresses…

    The so-called ‘opportunities’ for former Soviet bloc countries that you speak of are exactly the same as they have been up to now…being ‘feeder’ economies and ‘branch plant’ minnows for large advanced companies like Siemens and others in advanced economies…

    That is called nowheresville…

    This silly sketch of yours illustrates how much capitalism has yet to learn about how things are going to move going forward…

    We are quickly reaching a point, if not already there, that modern manufacturing can produce in unbelievable abundance and at incredibly low cost, all of the everyday consumer goods we could possibly need…for all people on earth…

    This is due precisely to the brain power that I mention above…one needs to spend a little time surfing on youtube for advanced factories, manufacturing robotics and industrial machines etc…this advance in human knowledge has made possible to produce goods in incredible quantities and of superb quality, and using very little human hand labor…

    The problem is once those goods leave the factory and go into the hands of various merchants and middle men [which is what you sound like]…who want to of course make the middle man’s ‘cut’…

    Our present model of capitalism is incapable of dealing with this paradigm shift of abundant and cheap consumer goods for everybody…which is why you are seeing more and more calls, even from the plutocracy [Andrew Yang], for a universal basic income…a handout to every consumer so they can buy all that stuff that can be so readily and cheaply produced…

    There will only be so many jobs in those advanced factories…in delivering this stuff to the end buyer etc…

    And again, this is just the commodity goods economy we are talking about…the advanced economies are going to be the ones that are designed ever more capable machines for these factories of the future [again surf youtube a little]…plus making very sophisticated and complicated products like airplanes and satellites and nuclear power plants etc…

    This is why the time of socialism is at hand…there is no need for a cartoonish ‘catch wrestling’ struggle among countries for little pieces of the pie as you describe…that leads absolutely nowhere and is completely incompatible with where modern industrial manufacturing is actually going…

    What socialism will do is exactly what China is doing…a huge cadre of incredibly skilled and capable ‘conductors’…exquisitely directing all of these parts of the advanced manufacturing economy like a big symphony orchestra hitting every note on every beat…

    This is why China is moving forward, while people stuck in your mercantile vision of the 19’th century British Empire are lost in space…

    Sure there will always need to be a mechanism for the ‘middle man’ to bring this abundance of consumer goods to your front door…but you can no longer play the role of wealth creator, as was the case in 1600 when sending a ship from Amsterdam to Java and bringing back spices and luxury products at a profit of 400 percent…

    That is just not the way the world works anymore…what China is doing and what the Chinese strategist in the article mentions is building a world beating education system for 100 million Chinese young people…

    From there will come the scientists and doctors and engineers [as well as the armies of competent administrators] that the new and highly advanced manufacturing economy will rely on as its very life’s blood…

    • Thanks: bluedog
    • Replies: @Cowboy
  66. @Change that Matters

    The Chinese problem is, of course, its culture of responsibility avoidance….. But I have enough experience to know they’re smarter than my tribe, …

    Good points, but in my somewhat limited experience in dealing with Chinese, both of the above are exemplified in their culture of patience, which is often “expressed” by silence. I have seen Chinese demure from accepting small bits of congratulations for what they consider normal activity. They seem to prefer to wait until all of the information has been collected and studied before making definitive statements. This is in stark opposition to what now exists in the (((West))) where doing what is expected of you is seen as a reason to celebrate a great achievement.

    No one likes to accept responsibility for failures. Perhaps the Chinese cultural way is tied to their history of executions for failures, or perceived failures. That contrast was sharpest when the lead paint on toys story broke. The US “manufacturer” would have people believe they had absolutely no idea that the Chinese subcontractor might ever even think about doing that, so no plant inspections were ever needed or done. Meanwhile, the plant owner committed suicide, knowing that he would meet the same fate as the melamine in formula, head man. So clearly, there are circumstances where the CCP makes responsibility mandatory, acceptance or not. In both cases, there were few deaths, and relatively little health damage. Meanwhile, Purdue Pharma’s crowd are still walking free after thousands of deaths and lives destroyed.

    I’m not touting China as good guys, only suggesting that accepting responsibility has many facets, and the we, in the (((West))) don’t have clean hands either. Less dirty perhaps, but not clean.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  67. Wally says:
    @Natt

    The walking cliche & Communist author Escobar wrote:

    “A toxic racism-meets-anti-communism matrix is responsible for the predominant anti-Chinese sentiment across the US, encompassing at least 66% of the whole population. Trump instinctively seized it – and repackaged it as his re-election campaign theme, fully approved by Steve Bannon.”

    – Then there’s the “racist” Chinese:

    Chinese City Bans Black People from Hotels, Apartments, Restaurants: https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/04/13/coronavirus-racism-chinese-city-bans-black-people-from-hotels-apartments-restaurants/

    Black Panther Party Launches Boycott of ‘Chinese Merchants’ to Protest Racism
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/19/new-black-panther-party-launches-boycott-of-chinese-merchants-to-protest-racism/

    McDonald’s Mandates ‘Diversity Training’ for Chinese Branch that Banned Black Customers: https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/04/14/mcdonalds-mandates-diversity-training-for-chinese-branch-that-banned-black-customers/

  68. @JohnPlywood

    Agreed. It wasn’t CO2, rather CO that was considered the problem, so catalytic converters were invented to turn CO into CO2, which is what plants use, take out the carbon, and emit the O2.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  69. DB Cooper says:
    @anon

    The US is shooting itself in the foot by working with India. Much has been said about the hollowing out of the industrial base in America but what is even more damaging and permanent than the vanishing of manufacturing jobs is the one that is less tangible than the closing of factories. I am talking about the complete takeover of IT jobs by the best and brightest low IQ H1B bullshit artists from India. This is a triple whammy to the US. First is the displacement of skilled American workers by the low IQ H1B bullshit artists. Has anyone estimated the total economic cost to the US due to the lost of productivity of employing these unskilled people? Second is once this bullshit artists gain US residency many of them become IT recruiters and displace even more Americans who work in the recruiting industry. Anyone here don’t believe me can make up a fake IT resume and post it online and in no time you will be inundated with hundreds of calls from the Pajeets and the Kumars wanting to submit you to some companies. Third is the chain migration of the families these bullshit artists bring to America and live off of the US welfare system and lowering the average IQ of the US in the process.

    The losing of manufacturing jobs is reversible if the US get its house in order but the importation of unskilled H1B bullshit artists is not. America forget that it is the immigration of the top notch scientists and engineers from Europe after WWII that help propel the US to be the most innovative country in the world not the bullshit artists from the subcontinent. Here is a site created by someone who is in the know of what is going on.

    http://www.indiots2.com/

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @DB Cooper
    , @Alden
  70. @450.org

    The TPP is just a bigger version of NAFTA and the FTA. It goes further than even the WTO would have dreamed. All of the “trade deals” are about enhancing the power of finance capital over your life.
    Trump was correct in dumping it, but he won’t be able to disentangle the US from the WTO. Free Trade, no. Fair Trade (with lots of tariffs), yes.

    • Replies: @450.org
  71. Cowboy says:
    @FB

    What a sad small world you occupy blind as it were to a teological vision

    • Replies: @bluedog
  72. 450.org says:

    The Chinese problem is, of course, its culture of responsibility avoidance.

    Face has a lot to do with it. Pompeo has no concept of this and instead uses Western cultural standards to address and judge the Chinese. Trump’s the same way. These idiots aren’t leaders. They’re baboons. Trump & Pompeo, I mean. Conversely, face means nothing to them so losing face has no significance for them. The Chinese must be bewildered by Trump. In their estimation, he loses face fifty times a day and yet he has no shame. He’s shameless — like most of America. America is a Jerry Springer Show writ large.

    https://www.china-mike.com/chinese-culture/cult-of-face/

    The Chinese concept of “face” (aka 面子 or miànzi) refers to a cultural understanding of respect, honor and social standing. Actions or words that are disrespectful may cause somebody to “lose face” while gifts, awards and other respect-giving actions may “give face”.

  73. 450.org says:
    @Curmudgeon

    You’re preaching to the choir about the TPP. It is what you say it is and it also was a constructive China containment strategy. Trump has no strategy. He has no plan. So no, absent a plan, what Trump is doing is many times more detrimental than what the TPP would have done, at least in regard to geopolitical power and influence.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  74. Anonymous[374] • Disclaimer says:
    @DB Cooper

    It is because the world is turning the screws on China, and so China is lashing out such as the incident on the border last week. Because India is going to step up onto the WHO board soon.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathu_La_and_Cho_La_clashes

    Based pajeets are not only occupying “South Tibet”, they are also occupying the head of the sad Taiwanese “nationalist” who dreams big from his little island redoubt.

    I wish MacArthur was president back in the day.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  75. Wow, I’m impressed. Pepe managed to shill for the CCP without using “game changer” once. He’s expanding his repertoire!

  76. @denk

    Why drag Japan into this, is it because you have always had an inferiority complex to the Japanese race who have achieved more than you?

    Chinese are the Jews of the East, they make up atrocity propaganda like the laughable “Nanking Massacre” to smear their enemies. Sadly the world has believed these charlatans.

    Your jealousy is noted

    • Replies: @FB
    , @denk
    , @Alden
  77. FB says: • Website
    @Just Passing Through

    Get real, shrimp…

    Japan has never been anything more than an appendage to China…even their language and religion comes from China…

    As for the bedtime story about Japan surrendering because of those two atomic bombs…well…had it not been for Uncle Joe, the US would probably still be fighting to subdue little Japan…

    The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan … Stalin Did

    You can paste all the silly reddit cartoons you want, but maybe have a look at the fighting history of the US Eighth Army in Korea…

    The defeat of the U.S. Eighth Army resulted in the longest retreat of any U.S. military unit in history.

    The Chinese of 1950, still a third world country, were able to practically sweep the US off the entire Korean peninsual…had they wanted to, they probably could have…the nutcase Macarthur was so enraged with impotence that he demanded Truman use nukes…Truman fired him…

    The Chinese offensive continued pressing U.S. forces, which lost Seoul, the South Korean capital.

    Eighth Army’s morale and esprit de corps hit rock bottom, to where it was widely regarded as a broken, defeated rabble.

    Your shrimpyness is noted…

    • Troll: thetruth
    • Replies: @Wielgus
  78. @denk

    I don’t think India is stupid enough to go beyond retarded news in English. Especially not to the point of repeating 1962. As an outside observer, PLA can really kick India’s ass right now as the constraints of 1962 is gone. But india got nukes. 1962 2.0 would not happen again.

    If I was India I would try to milk USA vs China for all it’s worth, without real commitments. Especially for tech transfers and economy benefits.

    • Replies: @denk
  79. @Anonymous

    China really needs nuclear parity so retards like this wouldn’t exist.

  80. Lol, ever notice how third world commie countries all portray Americans as hook-nosed kikes?

  81. Getaclue says:
    @paranoid goy

    Basically David Rockefeller is responsible for “Modern” China — it’s all his handiwork (and allied Globalist “Foundations”, CFR, Trilateral Commission, the Club of Rome, various Banksters, Wall Street etc., Henry Kissinger was always under him and working for his goals, NWO Kissinger — Mason, CFR etc.) –without Rockefeller there is NO modern China– no China hybrid war abilities etc., research it — China is the NWO Globalist “Model” — Peons have NO Rights and what will emerge if the NWO can pull it off will be the worst of both systems — Crony Capitalism and Authoritarian ChiCom type rule — World Wide.

    The “Medical Martial Law” plan they are rolling out now is how they plan to accomplish it — cratering the USA was always required according to them, the USA stood in the way of their “plan”, and if you listen to the UN types they have not tried to hide this point at all — at a recent Vatican Conference where they were all in attendance with their man Pope F this was explicitly stated and all agreed with applause etc. — they aren’t trying to hide it, they count on the Peons being stupid enough to accept and allow their own enslavement in order to be “saved” by them from the very “crisis” they create. It’s also a Masonic thing– create chaos and then bring in the planned “change” as a result.

    “Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – One World, if you will.If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it” — David Rockefeller in his Memoir of his life.

    “We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government.The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries”. — David Rockefeller to Trilateral Commission in 1991

    They don’t really hide what they are going to do and are doing: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/bizarre-eu-funded-comic-book-predicted-pandemic-globalists-saviours?fbclid=IwAR3tnDPsfM2mvnnuHG7gBqdAlcQYeUPr0HhZtB9iSs7gkK3ziuIT91F9RAo

    This actually explains the how and why — the history of how we got to where we are to day: https://www.corbettreport.com/bigoil/

  82. Realist says:
    @John Nada

    You are perfect for US propaganda.

    I see you are new here also…part of fresh new troll group.

    • Replies: @Poco
  83. Attila says:

    Used to quite like his writing once upon a time. No more as he sounds like a gloating fan boi paid shill for the even more annoying Chicoms. What happened to team BRICS?

  84. @ChuckOrloski

    Lol, muttmerica is truly a slave nation.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  85. Covid-19 is a media-created hoax. It does not exist. They are merely reclassifying terminally ill deceased as “covid deaths”, using the media to panic monger everyone with fake news fear porn into absurd levels of mass hysteria and impose previously unimaginable levels of tyranny on the world population.

    [MORE]

    Meanwhile, their own statistics show that the average age of a “covid death” is 80 years old and almost all of them had preexisting illnesses. Even if you believe the media lie of “covid-19”, it really is no worse than the typical flu. No one seems to know anyone who is dying from “covid” despite being in crowded supermarkets during lockdowns, and yet there is no visible pandemic. Only in the lying media does this pandemic exist.

    Yet the reality of new tyrannical measures does exist. This is the entire point. This is a move towards world government, universal forced vaccination, cashless society (coz “covid” spreads on muh cash!), probably humans will be microchipped by these megalomaniac devil-worshippers at the top, and you will be starved into compliance because they are using the hysteria to crater our economies. Human life depends on a functioning economy. They are intentionally destroying it

    The fact that this whole lie started in China proves that the CCP is in on this plot. Presumably they have some important role to play in this dystopian future nightmare realm of death and terror planet the satanists are constructing right now.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid. But not of the “covid-19” fake news virus. Be afraid of the future these humanity-hating genocidal maniacs intend for you, your parents, your siblings, your children, and your friends. It will make a Soviet gulag look like a boy scout summer camp.

  86. You would think that a Brazilian like Escobar would have the brains to see other possibilities. Instead, he seems content to be a ‘useful idiot’ for Communist regimes.

    China has only one thing to offer the world: a highly traumatized and compliant work-force, desperately aware of how close they are to the next famine.

    Contrast that with countries from Mexico to Brazil to Argentina. There is a massive quantity of untapped talent, resources and capacity in the Western Hemisphere. America need only to inject some humility into its’ incredible Judaized, and thus stupid and corrupt. elite and managerial classes. The possibility of mutually beneficial business deals with Latin America and the Caribbean are near endless.

    In the short-run, the world needs China to manufacture. In the long run, China needs the world. They cannot innovate. They are not sophisticated thinkers by any means. They are handicappped by a complex written system of ideograms that renders the average person only able to read a magazine article by the time they enter college. They have used this to shut the rest of the world out and as a way to control access to information. The consequence of this is that they have trapped themselves inside a box that stifles creativity.
    We don’t need China. China needs the World.
    The moment that the Africans see the West doing actual mutually beneficial deals with Latin America they will dump the Chinese like a hot potato.

    • Replies: @Olivier1973
    , @HeebHunter
  87. @Just Passing Through

    Context is everything. Sure, the Mongols killed millions, but they gave them a chance to surrender first. If they refused, they were annihilated, except for two or three that were sent to the next target to tell them what the deal was going to be. Some tribes, like the Khazars, capitulated, and have thrived ever since.
    Yes, the Mongols were invading Europe, but they also stopped the Muslim invasion dead in its tracks and pushed them back. So, the Europeans, who had been trying to stave off Muslim invasions for 300+ years, were faced with a different invader. Genghis Khan’s death after driving back the Muslim invasion, allegedly 750k in Baghdad alone, probably saved Europe from Islam, as the invaders returned to select the new leader.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  88. Thim says:

    First they build you up, then they tear you down. The Japs learned that the hard way, and Hitler too. The Chinese are about to learn it, good and hard. As godless heathens, they wouldn’t value the source, but the Bible says, pride goes before the fall.

  89. @Curmudgeon

    “where doing what is expected of you is seen as a reason to celebrate a great achievement.“

    And nowhere is this more evident than among black players in the NFL where celebrating after every tackle, pass deflection, completion or run is taken to obscene (literally) levels. Orwell spoke of the “negroification” of European culture. To the extent that we whites have adopted the manners and morals of the Negro, we have lost our pride in our own great abilities and accomplishments. Priss Factor is right about the devastating effect black dominance in the NFL and NBA has had upon white self esteem. Is it an accident that television plays up those sports in which our young people see few heroic, white gladiators?

    • Replies: @Trinity
  90. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    We don’t need the USA. The USA need the World, China included.

  91. Biff says:
    @Change that Matters

    The winners here should be the former USSR countries,

    I would trust you with five dollars.

    • LOL: FB
  92. Anonymous[265] • Disclaimer says:
    @KA

    OK, your wish is granted. You and I (hence, “we”) have just declared a moratorium on the research you named.

    Wait- nobody is obeying us! The ingrates! Who would they obey?

    Who, indeed.

  93. thetruth says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Just to make it clear, China has NEVER agreed to let WHO or anyone else to investigate the Source of Covid-19 virus. ALL China agreed is the Evaluation and Study of the response for pandemic After this Pandemic is cleared.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/19/us/politics/trump-who-coronavirus.html

    W.H.O. Members Reject Trump’s Demands but Agree to Study Its Virus Response

    The outcome left the United States isolated as officials from China, Russia and the European Union chided Mr. Trump over his heated threats.

    The resolution approved by W.H.O. members without objection promised a “comprehensive evaluation” of the organization that would review “experience gained and lessons learned from the W.H.O.-coordinated international health response to Covid-19.”

    • Replies: @FB
    , @KA
    , @Godfree Roberts
  94. @Rev. Spooner

    We’ve been waiting for the political analog.

  95. Poco says:
    @Adûnâi

    It’s definitely raysiss to not love China and not want to be just like them. To not want to be dependent on manufacturing from China. To not want their government. To not want their citizens here. To not acknowledge their inevitable superiority in every way. Raysiss, raysiss, raysiss.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @antibeast
  96. Poco says:
    @Realist

    I bet he’s raysiss too!

  97. FB says: • Website
    @thetruth

    This is troll humor…some shrimp calling himself ‘the truth’ pastes a bunch of diarrhea from The New York Times…

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Troll: thetruth
  98. jonhwho says:

    It’s good to be free. Just saying we are not necessarily freer than the Russians or the Chinese.

    • Replies: @denk
  99. @Curmudgeon

    Context is everything. Sure, the Mongols killed millions, but they gave them a chance to surrender first. If they refused, they were annihilated, except for two or three that were sent to the next target to tell them what the deal was going to be. Some tribes, like the Khazars, capitulated, and have thrived ever since.
    Yes, the Mongols were invading Europe, but they also stopped the Muslim invasion dead in its tracks and pushed them back. So, the Europeans, who had been trying to stave off Muslim invasions for 300+ years, were faced with a different invader. Genghis Khan’s death after driving back the Muslim invasion, allegedly 750k in Baghdad alone, probably saved Europe from Islam, as the invaders returned to select the new leader.

    I am afraid you’re (honestly) parroting the narrative of history written by the (Western Orientalist) victors.

    The sacking of Baghdad in the hands of the Mongols (and Al-Ghazali on the ground) had nothing to do with Islam and/or the invasion of Europe by the Muslims. It was sponsored by the Venetian Oligarchy to thwart progress.

    “As the following story details, Venice was at the center of the efforts to destroy the advanced European civilization of the eleventh and twelfth centuries, and bears a crushing burden of guilt for the ascendancy of the Black Guelphs and the coming of the black plague. The Venetians were the intelligencers for the Mongol army of Ghengis Khan and his heirs, and had a hand in guiding them to the sack of Baghdad and the obliteration of its renaissance in the thirteenth century. “ — [“Against Oligarchy”, Webster Tarpley]

    Baghdad was the center of a Renaissance where scientists, philosophers, poets, et al. came together to advance their respective fields. Precious knowledge was translated to Greek that found its way to Europe. The “Islamic Golden Age” is what allowed Europe to rise from its Dark Age. All of this transfer was made possible with the strong diplomatic ties between Charlemagne and Haroun Al-Rashid.

    Following the destruction of Baghdad, Al-Ghazali essentially burned all the libraries and imposed a mystical and backward mindset that plunged Baghdad and most of the region in the abyss for many centuries.

    • Thanks: FB, Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Seraphim
    , @Biff
    , @Curmudgeon
  100. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Yeah sure, Patel,
    Jp is dragged into picking fight with China, screaming and kicking all the way.

    My time are precious,
    stoopid cunt like you get outta my sight.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-aa3b119543ee63c63d9893cc14a9de33-c

    http://m.koreatimes.co.kr/phone/news/view.jsp?req_newsidx=135776

    • Replies: @Grahamsno(G64)
  101. denk says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    But india got nukes.

    That’s the rub.

    Their fav refrain these days ,
    ‘We’ve nukes now, all of China’s major cities are within range’

    Even when they only had the puny Agni 1, there was talk about nuking the three gorges dam.

    Dont under estimate Indian recklessness, especially when they had a huge chip on their shoulder.

    Why’r they picking fight at this moment, they see another ‘opportunity’, no doubt with prodding from we know who.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  102. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Thank you for this reference.

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  103. denk says:
    @jonhwho

    It’s good to be free. Just saying we are not necessarily freer than the Russians or the Chinese

    [[[They]]] are mocking us again.
    Mission Accomplished.

    I heard the next plan on [[[their]]] drawing board…
    Married couples can only make love once a week.
    Too many useless eaters are bad for [[[their]]] health,

    heheheheheheh

    • Replies: @c matt
  104. @anon

    Most welcome. I forgot to cite the link to the reference if you wish to read further:

    https://archive.org/stream/pdfy–vMPBwiHw_IDIeob/Against+Oligarchy+by+Webster+Griffin+Tarpley_djvu.txt

    It’s also sub-divided on Tarpley’s website:

    https://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/

  105. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Chinese are not creative…
    That is the oldest, stupidest meme that seems to linger in the mind of whitoids as some kind of coping mechanism.
    Hilarious.

  106. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    Mongol invade—–the plague —–mass killed in Europe—-people start to question God—-Renaissance —– Industry revolution(lack of population=machines in need) —–Colonial Empires rise in EU—–USA foundation

    History is fun. You will never know what happens next.

  107. Seraphim says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Are you aware that Al-Ghazali lived between 1058 and 1111 and therefore ‘the mystical and backward mindset that plunged Baghdad and most of the region in the abyss for many centuries’ started hundred years before Genghis Khan, who did not destroy Baghdad anyway because he was dead for 30 years?
    Anyhow the Renaissance owes very little to the ‘Islamic Golden Age’. ‘Precious knowledge was translated to Greek that found its way to Europe’, well, no. Precious Greek knowledge was translated FROM Greek to Arabic prior to the 11th century. Western Europe went directly to Byzantium to acquire the Greek manuscripts of Greek philosophy.

    • Disagree: Biff, Hiram of Tyre
    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  108. Wielgus says:
    @FB

    The Chinese had problems of their own. A Chinese division needed 40 tonnes of supplies a day, in contrast to a US division’s need for 600. But even with their modest requirements the Chinese could not keep their troops supplied and their logistical problems became worse the further south they advanced, although they captured quite a lot of UN (mostly US) supplies and depended rather heavily on such captures. That they ran out of steam south of Seoul was pretty inevitable – the Chinese could not supply their soldiers that far south.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  109. Miro23 says:
    @Tor597

    Just wanted to point out the excellent concept of cultural sovereignty as something that is akin to territorial sovereignty.

    Both are needed, but cultural sovereignty is ever more important to inoculate your citizens against globe homo.

    Sovereignties is an interesting concept. What General Qiao said was, “Don’t think that only territorial sovereignty is linked to the fundamental interests of a nation. Other kinds of sovereignty – economic, financial, defense, food, resources, biological and cultural sovereignty – are all linked to the interests and survival of nations and are components of national sovereignty.”

    This means that in the territorial area of sovereign China, the various sovereignties (economic, financial, defense, food, resources, biological and cultural) are the property of ethnic Chinese – it’s their home.

    It would be an error and betrayal of the Chinese people to have any of these sovereignties ceded, for example to Englishmen.

    Colonialism/Imperialism is exactly the process of ceding the whole list of sovereignties (including territorial) to a foreign people (e.g. the Indian Empire) under the British.

  110. Biff says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Baghdad was the center of a Renaissance where scientists, philosophers, poets, et al. came together to advance their respective fields. Precious knowledge was translated to Greek that found its way to Europe. The “Islamic Golden Age” is what allowed Europe to rise from its Dark Age.

    I remember when I was attending university back in the 1980’s we were told the oldest universities were in the Middle East, and in particular – Baghdad. Where Algebra was born and Roman numerals went to die.

    Do a google search these days and Baghdad is never mentioned.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  111. Alden says:
    @DB Cooper

    It’s not just asian Indian IT workers. It’s the asian takeover of medicine from physicians to technicians. Because I’m a White Nationalist Racist, my physicians are all, everyone, White American men I’m proud to say. Not easy in California.

    I used to see the UCLA med school classes. 90 percent of the women Chinese 1 or 2 black 1 or 2 White the rest Philippino Hispanic Indian Arab. 90 percent of the men Chinese 1 or 2 Whites the rest Hispanic Indian no blacks.

    They were Chinese, mostly Chinese citizens. Discrimination against American Asians is as bad as discrimination against American Whites.

    At least the med schools don’t accept White Americans, take their money and time and graduate them into a world where they’re unemployable because they’re White as the engineering and program departments do.

    Accounting firms hire Indian and Phillipino women no White men need apply at least in California.

  112. Alden says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Because Chinese civilization and culture is derived from China, Chinese call Japan Monkey Island because Monkey See, Monkey Do

  113. Alden says:
    @DB Cooper

    I’m shocked I tell you, shocked 🙀

    You must be wrong can’t be. Only Whites discriminate.

  114. Lol says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Good, I hardly see why the rest of the world should have to pay above market wages to entitled Americans who did the same things they blame China for doing now. So cry us a river.lol

    You somehow pretend the French didn’t largely win your revolution for you, that exports to Europe and European money didn’t build your country initially and that then you didn’t steal IP whenever you felt like it. Now go pound sand.

    Edit: there’s also no reason for the rest of the world to care for your IP considering its a system designed by your corrupt politicians at the behest of their corporate overlords. All IP should expire in ten years.

    • Thanks: Mary Marianne
    • Replies: @Poco
  115. Jedro says:

    China doesnt realize their enemy is israel, the long range thinkers? Covid = israel. 9/11 equals israel.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  116. @denk

    My time are precious,

    I’m sure you got some lats to fly right?

  117. @Jedro

    Israel and China have always worked hand in had. Chinese are called the “Jews of the East” for a very good reason.

    Here is Israel working hand in hand with their Chinese brethren to develop the IAI Lavi with the help of White Americans and then sell its designs to China, who now deploy it as the J-10

    https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/j-10_and_lavi-jpg.108197/

    • Replies: @denk
  118. Ber says:
    @KA

    Whichever party wins in the election, Americans are gored either by the left horn or the right one from the same beast.

  119. Herald says:
    @KA

    Trump is serious about getting out of Afghanistan.

    Trump can’t ever be taken seriously.

  120. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Stupid Patel spamming UNZ with the same old B.S., fucking one trick pony.

    hehehhe

    Get outta basement, get a life.

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Defense-ties-with-India-booming-like-never-before-492237

  121. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    the Mongolians have erected a big statue of Genghis Khan, one of the greatest mass murderers in history!

    Stoopid cunt,
    MOngol empire is history.

    Anglo/Indian empire is still work in progress……in 21C

    ————-
    Remember how [[[they]]] justify the Iraq genocide….?

    Iraq soldiers and those baby incubators.

    Meanwhile, back at Falluja, unarmed men were slaughtered; children mutilated and murdered. Some women “spontaneously aborted babies due to the terrible shock and pressure of carpet bombing”. (Go to We Hold These Truths – and click on ‘Kill on Sight’).
    At Falluja hospital, according to the notes of a Turkish doctor, Hakim Mirzoev there was “an endless stream of wounded children, women, and elders. Not dozens – hundreds! On the third day the medicines started to come to the end. Especially anaesthetics and antibiotics”. Then the Americans stormed the wards, strip searched the doctors, smashed the last bottle of Iodine, dragged away the half dead male patients, as family visitors wailed and watched in horror

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140114114831/http://richardneville.com/Journal/2004/journal161204.html

  122. @Seraphim

    Are you aware that Al-Ghazali lived between 1058 and 1111 and therefore ‘the mystical and backward mindset that plunged Baghdad and most of the region in the abyss for many centuries’ started hundred years before Genghis Khan, who did not destroy Baghdad anyway because he was dead for 30 years?
    Anyhow the Renaissance owes very little to the ‘Islamic Golden Age’. ‘Precious knowledge was translated to Greek that found its way to Europe’, well, no. Precious Greek knowledge was translated FROM Greek to Arabic prior to the 11th century. Western Europe went directly to Byzantium to acquire the Greek manuscripts of Greek philosophy.

    I did not attribute the sacking of Baghdad was Genghis Khan’s work but the mongol hordes (sponsored by Venice) before him.

    On quite the contrary, the European Renaissance owes quite a bit to the “Islamic Golden Age” in the same way the Ancient Greeks and Romans owe quite a bit to the Egyptians, Canaanite-Phoenicians, Mesopotamians, Indians, et al. All of this was, unfortunately, erased and/or omitted in the Western version of history beginning the 19th century by the racist and anti-Semitic (in the sense of against Semites and not Jewish) Anglo-Saxon ruling class.

    British-gentry Houston Chamberlain, who Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler considered their “spiritual father” went as far as claiming that the ancient Greeks and Romans were Germanic tribes. In essence, they, the Anglo-Saxon ruling erased all Eastern and Near-Eastern influence on the formation of their Europe :

    What is interesting, however, is the following statement: according to Chamberlain, the Romans and the Greeks, the founding fathers of our European civilization, were indeed Germans. The Germanic giants from the forests of the north were “blood from their blood and spirit from their spirit” and, as such, “the true heir of the Romans and of the Greeks13”. In very ancient times, Germanic tribes had come from the north to colonize the south. They settled down in Greece and Rome, enjoying the benefits of cultural photosynthesis, thanks to the sun and mild climate of the Mediterranean. While their cousins who had stayed in the north still ate raw meat and lived in caverns, the Germans of the South―that is to say, the Greeks and the Romans―ate healthy food and created civilisation. They then left testimonies of their genius in immaculate and pristine temples that were currently used, in the 19th century, to demonstrate the superiority of white mankind. This idea was borrowed by Chamberlain from many racist historians and theoreticians of the time. To prove the excellence of Germanic blood, scientists and race specialists had argued, since the 1830’s, that every light came from the North, and not from the East. This is summed up by Chamberlain who, contrary to Hegel who wrote “Ex oriente lux”, pretends that “Ex septentrione lux”: the beacon of civilization lies in the north with the white Germanic race.

    — “From Humanism to Nazism: Antiquity in the Work of Houston Stewart Chamberlain”, Johann Chapoutot

    Bernal suggests an explanation of ancient Greek development in terms of what he calls “the ancient model.” Classical, Hellenistic, and later, pagan Greeks from the fifth century B.C. to the fifth century A.D. believed their ancestors had been civilized by Egyptian and Phoenician colonization and the later influence of Greek study in Egypt. Up to the eighteenth century A.D., Egypt was seen as the fount of all “Gentile” philosophy and learning, including that of the Greeks, and it was believed that the Greeks had managed to preserve only a part of this wisdom. Bernal suggests that the sense of loss that this created, and the quest to recover the lost wisdom, were major motives in the development of science in the seventeenth century.

    Bernal argues that the ancient model was accepted by historians from antiquity till the nineteenth century, and was rejected then only for anti-Semitic and racist reasons. He sees the Egyptian and Phoenician influence on ancient Greeks as beginning in the first half of the second millennium B.C. He concludes that Greek civilization is the result of the cultural mixtures created by these colonizations and later borrowings from across the eastern Mediterranean. These borrowings from Egypt and the Levant occurred in the second millennium B.C. or in the thousand years from 2100 to 1100 B.C., which Bernal suggests is the period during which Greek culture was formed! “The Ancient Greeks, though proud of themselves and their recent accomplishments, did not see their political institutions, science, philosophy or religion as original. Instead they derived them – through the early colonization and later study by Greeks abroad – from the east in general and Egypt in particular.”

    […]

    The Aryan model, an alternative theory about the development of the ancient Greeks, first appeared in the first half of the nineteenth century. It denied any influence of Egyptian settlements and expressed doubt about a role for the Phoenicians. An extreme version of this model was propounded during the height of anti-Semitism in Europe in the 1890s, and then in the 1920s and 1930s; this particular explanation denied even the Phoenician cultural influence.” According to the Aryan model, there had been an invasion from the north, an invasion not described by ancient writers, which had overcome the existing pre-Hellenic culture. Greek civilization was seen as the result of the mixture of the Indo-European speaking Hellenes and the older peoples over whom they ruled.

    — “The Myth of Greek Ethnic Purity”, John Shea

    Yes, knowledge was indeed translated from Greek to Arabic prior to the 11th century AD. This is an honest mistake on my part where I meant to write that precious knowledge was translated from Arabic to the languages of Europe.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  123. @Biff

    I remember when I was attending university back in the 1980’s we were told the oldest universities were in the Middle East, and in particular – Baghdad. Where Algebra was born and Roman numerals went to die.

    Do a google search these days and Baghdad is never mentioned.

    I am not surprised. Eastern and Near-Eastern influence on the formation of the Western World had been discarded and/or omitted from the Western narrative of history since the 19th century where the Anglo-Saxon ruling class could not bare the idea that their Europe had Afro-Asiatic roots. They went as far as claiming that the Ancient Greeks and Romans were Germanic tribes and replaced the real migration/influence from the East to an invented one from the North. I invite you to read/peruse the following references if you wish to know more:

    [MORE]

    To the general historian, the volume offers an alternative history of the Mediterranean before Rome, balancing the hellenocentric narratives that have so long determined the shape of ‘Western’ civilization.

    “The Phoenicians and the Formation of the Western World”, John C. Scott
    https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2047&context=ccr

    When Rome collapsed under the weight of its feudal and self-cannibalizing economic policies, Europe was plunged into what was indeed a Dark Age. What made European recovery possible was an East-West alliance developed with the political and economic intervention of the thriving Baghdad caliphate through relations it had established with the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne. This international alliance had economic progress as its foundation, and threatened to permanently depose its reactionary opponents. Therefore feudalists on both sides of the Mediterranean fought the ninth century Euro-lslamic axis, using every means of warfare, from military to economic. We see here a straight line of political continuity from Plato and the great humanists of ancient Greece, through the Islamic Renaissance, to the Renaissance in Europe and its political inheritors of our own day. Just as clear is the continuity of humanism’s enemies.

    “Islamic Humanism Against the Dark Age”, The Campaigner 1979
    http://wlym.com/archive/campaigner/7909.pdf

    What is interesting, however, is the following statement: according to Chamberlain, the Romans and the Greeks, the founding fathers of our European civilization, were indeed Germans.

    “From Humanism to Nazism: Antiquity in the Work of Houston Stewart Chamberlain”, Johann Chapoutot
    https://journals.openedition.org/miranda/6680

    The Aryan model, an alternative theory about the development of the ancient Greeks, first appeared in the first half of the nineteenth century. It denied any influence of Egyptian settlements and expressed doubt about a role for the Phoenicians. An extreme version of this model was propounded during the height of anti-Semitism in Europe in the 1890s, and then in the 1920s and 1930s; this particular explanation denied even the Phoenician cultural influence.” According to the Aryan model, there had been an invasion from the north, an invasion not described by ancient writers, which had overcome the existing pre-Hellenic culture. Greek civilization was seen as the result of the mixture of the Indo-European speaking Hellenes and the older peoples over whom they ruled.

    ” The Myth of Greek Ethnic ‘Purity’”, John Shea
    http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/AncientMacedonia/greekmyth.html

    • Thanks: Biff
  124. @carlusjr

    Not quite true. Ecological damage is reversible and, ironically, it’s the Chinese showing the world how to:

    – Beijing and other northern cities have vastly improved air quality today compared to what it was in the 2000s.
    – China’s main rivers and key lakes and reservoirs have all shown improvement in the last 10 years.
    – China has won vast swathes of land from the desert through reforestation and for agricultural purposes.

    Of course, there is still lots of pollution going on in China (since they’re not returning to pre-industrial times), but the overall quality of the various ecosystems present in their country have improved immensely when compared to the 2000s. Not everything about the relationship between humans and nature must be negative; you need only look to China’s Loess Plateau or their Saihanba forest to see what kind of dramatically positive change humanity can affect vis-a-vis their environment. I believe similar positive approaches regarding ecology can be applied elsewhere too — both inside and outside of China. The point, however, is that you need political & economical efforts from the top working in conjunction with the support of the local community for such positive green initiatives to become a reality.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Godfree Roberts
  125. Poco says:
    @Lol

    What America did bad. Europe shouldn’t have allowed themselves to be taken advantage of.

    What China does good. America should allow itself to be taken advantage of like Europe shouldn’t have been.

    Sounds like the retardation of immigration supporters. The american indians were invaded and subjected. Bad.

    Invasion and subjugation of whites should be welcomed. Good.

  126. AaronB says:
    @Mary Marianne

    Not quite true. Ecological damage is reversible and, ironically, it’s the Chinese showing the world how to

    I have always felt the distinctive contribution of Chinese civilization to modern times will never come in creative technology – in which they will never match the historic West – but in introducing a new relationship between man and technology rooted in its Taoist past and respect for nature.

    I am now China skeptic – but if China does that, I would be the biggest China booster alive.

    Promethean Western culture is dying – China came late to the game and has shown no ability to make any serious contribution here. Few have, outside the West. There is no shame in that – it was a very distinctive set of circumstances and attitudes that led to its flourishing for a few centuries.

    But it is dying across the globe now, and instead of a futile effort to slavishly imitate the Old West, China can play to its strengths and pioneer a new approach to technology rooted in respect for nature, while remaining technologically competitive and modern.

    China can pioneer a new kind of modernity rooted on its nature loving traditions.

    As for ecological recovery, New England experienced tremendous reforestation since the 19th century, when it was massively deforested. So there is nothing irreversible about ecological decline.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts
    • Replies: @Anon
    , @thetruth
  127. mike99588 says:
    @450.org

    Interesting how your general is showing a new built Chinese tower collapsing….
    Happens all the time but they hush it up.

    • Replies: @denk
  128. Trinity says:
    @ThreeCranes

    NOPE, it is no accident. The Klitschko brothers DOMINATED the heavyweight division of boxing for a decade and now we have a giant Irishmen, Tyson Fury, who is THE REAL HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD. But boxing suddenly went from a mainstream sport to a third tier sport when the Eastern Europeans started dominating the boxing scene in various weight division. Boxing went from receiving major coverage on ESPN to only minor coverage unless a negro like Floyd Mayweather fights. The heavyweight boxing champion USED to be the most important title in all of sports. Of course now that a White man owns it, an Irishman who has publicly criticized the Jews at that, boxing no longer matters and is only slightly more popular than NASCAR and lacrosse.

    • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
  129. @Adûnâi

    Do the underdeveloped (hate the PC term “developing”) countries even want a vaccine? They have too many people anyway, any moderate dying will be an advantage to their societies.

    That is not exactly true; the Global South does not have “too many people”. The land size of Africa alone is equal to that of the USA + China + India + half of Europe. 60% of the world’s arable land is inside Africa. Yet Africa’s population, at 1.34 billion (or 16.72% of the world population), is smaller than China’s 1.4 billion people (or 18.47% of the world population). And on top of that, China is capable of feeding itself with only about 10% of the world’s arable land in its possession.

    The truth is that the Global South has been, as you said, severely underperforming. It CAN house a lot more people if the governments were less corrupt, if there was less mismanagement of its resources, and if there was less war and violence to disrupt its societies. Whether it SHOULD be housing more people is a different matter…

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
  130. denk says:
    @mike99588

    Idiot.

    Do you even understand what’s
    controlled demolition. ?

    • Replies: @denk
  131. denk says:
    @denk

    In case you aint aware, this is how FUKUS kick start its bio weapon program.
    Washington granted amnesty to Jp war criminals who ran unit 731, in exchange for their experiment data, done on live Chinese civilians ……and murikkan POW.

    https://ahrp.org/scholarly-analyses-confirm-u-s-complicity-in-creating-a-sense-of-collective-amnesia/

    UNcle sham lost no time in testing those new found knowledge on Chinese/Korean civilians in the Korean war.

    FUKUS went on to build the world’s largest bio weapon program, true to form, on the false pretext of ‘threat reduction‘ purpose, with hundreds of bio weapon labs all over the world, including many right at Russia/China’s doorstep., the same way [[[they]]] deploy missiles all around Russia/China’s front yard.

  132. @John Hagan

    I never understood why Americans continue to vote in such idiots after 40 years of stagnation/decline. Is there nothing else besides Democrats and Republicans? Why not vote Green or Libertarian, or basically anything that is not those two parties (who are two sides of the same coin anyway) for a change?

  133. Adûnâi says:
    @Poco

    > “It’s definitely raysiss to not love China and not want to be just like them.”

    Is that true? Do Western media propagate the ideas of expelling all non-Whites from America? Because there are no non-Chinese in China.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @Poco
  134. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    Patel , are you the so called HIQ Indian ?

    First link from 1997
    second link from 2003
    same old shit you keep spamming uNZ

    Third link tell us
    fukus forbade Israel selling arms to China since 2005.
    [so much for the tail wagging the dog eh ?]

    BOth fukus and Israel have no problem selling high tech arms to Indian tho,cuz of its SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.

    https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/israeli-foreign-ministers-first-call-abroad-is-to-india-vows-to-strengthen-ties/1839829

    https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/why-are-india-israel-ties-so-special-narendra-modi-benyamin-netanyahu-4732652/

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/narendra-modi-describes-indias-ties-with-israel-as-special/articleshow/59427894.cms

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Defense-ties-with-India-booming-like-never-before-492237

    so you spend an entire fucking evening and thats the best you come up with ?

    Get outta my sight stoopid cunt
    my time are precious,

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  135. Adûnâi says:
    @Mary Marianne

    > “The truth is that the Global South has been, as you said, severely underperforming. It CAN house a lot more people if the governments were less corrupt, if there was less mismanagement of its resources, and if there was less war and violence to disrupt its societies.”

    But when it is “underperforming” (to what metric?), does it require less people? The moment America erupts into civil war, Africa will experience a great dying.

    Also, do you mean massive deforestation as part of those efforts to feed the Negro population? Or just the current level of agricultural development? I’m actually ignorant in these matters.

    Still, by the underdeveloped countries, I did not merely mean Negro Africa (which doesn’t even house that many humans, just Negroes), I meant India, Egypt and Brazil, which are certainly hugely overpopulated.

  136. @denk

    Shouldn’t China be thanking Patels? Or more accurately, the “Gowadia”‘s??

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noshir_Gowadia

    https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=2645205&page=1

    The India-China-Israel nexus appears yet again

    Gowadia was accused of selling classified information to China and to individuals in Germany, Israel, and Switzerland.

    You say;

    BOth fukus and Israel have no problem selling high tech arms to Indian tho,cuz of its SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP.

    This is all drama, Israel and it’s agents in America run the show and have mighty good laugh as they play off different entities against eachother. Israel also has a very special relationship with China.

    Israel has provided China with military assistance, expertise and technology. According to a report from the United States-China Economic and Security Review Commission, “Israel ranks second only to Russia as a weapons system provider to China and as a conduit for sophisticated cutting edge military technology, followed by France and Germany.”

    The PLAN navy even visited the burgeoning Haifa port on a 4-day goodwill visit 8 years ago. A lot of time to transfer secrets methinks.

    However Chinese elite seem to be getting rowdy, so Israeli Mossad have had to put China in its place by carrying out a targeted killing against the Chinese ambassador to Israel, Du Wei. China, for all of its mighty power, is very mum about this outrageous act of war by the Jewish State, but then again, I wouldn’t want to bite the hand that feeds me either.

    You say;

    so you spend an entire fucking evening and thats the best you come up with ?

    Get outta my sight stoopid cunt
    my time are precious,

    Why so much profanity, as hominem is always a sign that one is getting frustrated and outgunned. Also, you time is also not that precious, as you keep replying to my “stoopid” comments. Lol

    On an ending note, here is an interesting article, and it does beg the question. Will the Han people be able to out Jew the Jews? Or will they fail like every other group that has tried to simply emulate them?

    https://signal.supchina.com/why-does-china-admire-the-jews/

    Only time will tell.

    • Replies: @denk
  137. bluedog says:
    @Cowboy

    By golly boy you’ve been on the range to long talking to no one but yourself, and that’s been proved to be delusional as you post all your little one liners, as if that ‘s as far as your thought process goes….post less read more until you can come up to speed with rest>!!!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  138. AaronB says:
    @Anon

    This is indeed good news and I will have to keep an eye on it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

    If it turns out it is sincere and not just an attempt at “greenwashing”, then I will certainly change my attitude to modern China. Although it isn’t the only factor affecting my attitude to China.

    We will see as time passes.

    Changi Airport in Singapore iirc recently redesigned itself as this fantastic forest like theme, I believe, which sounds very cool and rooted in ancient Chinese attitudes to nature.

    I remember reading about it in the NY Times last year.

  139. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    So another link from 2006. ?

    stupid cunt still dunno who’r the
    masters of universe…?

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/India-US-Israel-trilateral-ties-can-be-guiding-force-in-the-world-534633

    outgunned

    ROTFLMAO

    If this is a boxing match, you’d already been declared koed five times.

    nOW YOU going inside the
    stoopid cunt file.

  140. @Adûnâi

    Don’t reason with racist, he is just the way he is.

    Same with religious people. Reasoning doesn’t work.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @Poco
  141. @HeebHunter

    Really?
    Then why do both China and Russia rely on Israel to steal American high-tech? Why did Israel go to great lengths to infiltrate Intel’s chip manufacturing in order to back door the Xeon server chip (please note how Intel stock has dropped as the server market dumps Intel and moves to AMD).
    You provide no counterpoint. Just hot air.
    Show me Chinese creativity.
    All I see is Western contractors hired to manage China’s economic rise since the 80’s. All financed by Jewish bankers. China has had no organic industrial development; all a creation of the West.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  142. Adûnâi says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    > “Don’t reason with racist, he is just the way he is.”
    “Same with religious people. Reasoning doesn’t work.”

    But I am racist! I love China for its being Chinese – as a concept. Obviously, I hate China for its being Chinese if I speak from the PoV of a European racist. Or I love them even as a racist – because having an entire race lose their will to live is scary.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  143. The date of the article is irrelevant, the fact remains that there has been India-China cooperation on sensitive technologies as well as with the ubiquitous Jewish State, whom Chinese seem to admire very much despite the former having humiliated them by assassinating their ambassador without any real repurcussions, a truly nationalist China would seize upon this moment to launch a counter PR offensive, but alas they will continue to dance to the piper’s tune, much like how the US administration covered up the shocking attack on the USS Liberty.

    Your anger and irritation is noted.

    • Replies: @Adûnâi
    , @denk
  144. KA says:
    @thetruth

    That is unfortunate but having seen the scores and impacts of inspection,evaluation and pontification with half truths and baldfaced lies from 1991 to 2019 on Iraq and Iran by UN and IAEA and noticing planting of evidence,,witnessing murder of scientists ,,China has secured a valid, legal and moral point . You can’t trust USA Germany Australia to get to Wuhan lab . Actually it shouldn’t allow anyone from India or Nigeria or Israel as well.

    • Replies: @thetruth
  145. Trinity says:

    Did the Asian flu in the 1950’s and the Hong Kong flu in the 1960’s kill more people than the (((coronvirus?)))

  146. Wielgus says:
    @Mary Marianne

    The US political system is designed for two parties, and third ones do not get traction and are probably not allowed to.
    During the postwar Red Scare, amid discussion of banning the Communist Party, one local politician actually called for banning every US political party except the Republican and Democratic parties. Not carried out in formal terms but these are the only ones allowed to count.

  147. @Adûnâi

    Just FYI, it wasn’t even meant to be a criticism, just an observed fact.

    You don’t reason with emotions or beliefs.

  148. Adûnâi says:
    @Just Passing Through

    > “…the ubiquitous Jewish State, whom Chinese seem to admire very much despite the former having humiliated them by assassinating their ambassador without any real repurcussions, a truly nationalist China would seize upon this moment to launch a counter PR offensive…”

    Du Wei’s cause of death is unknown. Why do you claim Israel to have assassinated him? Wikipedia says there are conspiracy theories – is that the reason? The moment someone talks about conspiracies, you conspiratards are attracted? And what “PR offensive” is to be mounted? China is a capitalist nation. They recognized Israel in the 1990s, when the revisionists rejected Mao Tsetun’s legacy.

    Truly Communist countries such as the DPRK or Cuba do not recognize Israel.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Wei_(diplomat)

  149. Anonymous[304] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    Why’r they picking fight at this moment

    As the US ability to field expeditionary forces lessens, and international trade lessens, you’ll see quite a few regional fights to settle local questions about pecking order.

    India was conquered by what used to be called “Aryans” (whose descendants are supposedly still the upper castes), then later by Moslems (who also ruled apart) {See: Naipaul, _India: A Wounded Civilization_; first published 1978}. India has been a conquered country for thousands of years. It doesn’t quite know what the rules of regional warfare are, as Japan didn’t quite understand the game of Empire in the first half of the 20th Century. Like Japan, they’re going to get themselves in over their heads. As are many other countries.

  150. Poco says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Was it hate speech too? Please tell me it was hate speech.

  151. Poco says:
    @Adûnâi

    I don’t want there to be no non-chinese in the US.

  152. @denk

    Hear me out, the SARS-CoV2 outbreak could well have been a setup right from the word ‘go’!

    1. Completed in collaboration with the French government’s CIRI lab in 2015, the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s (WIV) bio-safety laboratory (BSL4) opened in 2015;

    2. Ex-Rothschild banker Emmanuel Macron became French President in MAY 2017 (the French people know that alternative Presidential candidates were actively discouraged from running – leaving the two most unpopular candidates standing.
    NOTE: This may sound familiar to our American friends re: Trump and Killary);

    3. The Military World Games, held in Wuhan OCT 2019, is organized by the International Military Sports Council (CISM);

    4. Since 21 APR 2018, the CISM President has been Commissaire aux sports militaires Frenchman Hervé Piccirillo;

    5. The General Secretariat is under the management of the Secretary General, Colonel Mamby Koita of Guinea (formerly known as French Guinea).

    Whilst the above doesn’t prove anything, if France-United Kingdom-United States (F-UK-US) wanted to pull off a false flag, i.e.pretext, to blame on China – all it requires is a phonecall from ol’ man Rothschild to his boy in Paris – and the French deep state organizes the rest.

    • Replies: @denk
  153. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    You’r really dripping with shits, asshole’

    Mossad, every fucking thing is Israel, mossad.

    Who’s the most likely killer of ambassador Du , ?

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/chinese-ambassador-to-israel-found-dead-in-his-home-a-timeline.html#comments

    One more point, you miss my friendly warning to others, dont ever come here to preach human rights and all that jazz, …it wont be pretty.

    the Mongolians have erected a big statue of Genghis Khan, one of the greatest mass murderers in history!

    It takes one to know one eh ?

    Navy Admiral Timothy Keating, Commander, US Pacific Command recently told the media, “They’re in, of course, a strategically critical spot for us, with Russia to the north and China in the south. They have some marvelous natural resources upon which they intend to capitalize. So they’re a good partner of ours, they’re good friends, and we enjoy working closely with them.”

    https://space4peace.blogspot.com/2009/09/here-we-go.html

    Rings a bell ?
    Clinton calling Suharto Our kind of guy

    Reagan calling the contras
    They’r kinda like our founding fathers

    No wonder Dr Mahathir called fukus the world’s no 1 terrorist state.
    In the next six months,
    Malaysia lost three airliners, one near miss, another copter exploded in midair.

    Must be mossad again eh ?
    Stupid asshole.

    profanity

    I dont suffer forked tongue assholes.

    • Replies: @Just Passing Through
  154. thetruth says:
    @KA

    yes, very well said! China’s stand is this, UNLESS the U.S. opens ALL their Bio-weapon labs within the U.S. As well as the 200+ strong all over the world for the International inspection, China will NOT allow anyone to inspect the one in Wuhan!

  155. A toxic racism-meets-anti-communism matrix is responsible for the predominant anti-Chinese sentiment across the US, encompassing at least 66% of the whole population.

    Bingo! The lazy idiots’ bigoted response trumps all ideological pretensions driven by demagoguery. Therein lies the fuel that has driven Eurocentric empires from the age of “discovery and expansion”. And now the Ziocrooks have quietly sneaked in and taken full control.

  156. Half-Jap says:
    @Hiram of Tyre

    Indeed.
    Seems humility has been lost to many Americans (don’t know many others from UK or Continent so won’t include them for now). Even those ancient Egyptians informed Solon that they too owe their knowledge to those before them. Which reminds me of the Adam and Eve Store by Chan Thomas, and works by many others on antediluvian peoples and civilizations.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  157. @denk

    Yes, it is Mossad. If you have been reading this webzine for a while, you will realise that Jews have huge power over all countries in the world, and will cause wars between them so that they may profit. It is likely Israel assassinated US Space Force commander Thomas G. C
    Falzarano and pinned the blame on China so that the US would task Israel with assassinating Ambassador Du

    https://www.peterson.af.mil/News/Article/2185807/team-pete-mourns-unexpected-death-of-wing-commander/

    How does a 47 year old guy in good shape die suddenly?

    • Replies: @denk
  158. denk says:
    @Patagonia Man

    aGREE,

    The plot ?

    First [[[they]]] get Xi Zheng LI to participate in a ‘joint research’ on coronavirus gof research.
    Half way thru, they told Xi ‘this is too dangerous, you’d have to go it alone‘.

    Then they crapped that shit in Wuhan, tell everybody ‘the Chinese have been doing this kind of stuff for years, look at these reports,.
    Xi’s name is right there’
    .

    Looks like my hunch is being reinforced with each new discovery.

    F UK US

    Yes !

    LIke I say, FUKUS is very versatile,
    Usually it means FUK US
    in this case, its …

    F Uk US

    bUT looks like Oz is also up to its eyeballs in this caper,

    How about FUKUSA ?

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  159. denk says:
    @Just Passing Through

    The only thing I agree with you is,
    natural cause your ass.

    The logic is so convoluted , only someone of your caliber can dream of it.

    One good CT deserves another….

    The Chinese are wondering about their two successive space launch failures in Apr, unprecedented in their track record., …..right after FUKUS space force deployed its first offensive satellite jammer.

    Mightily satisfied with this first show of force, Peterson was having a cup too many at the bar, so he mumbled to the guy sitting next to him…
    know something, we just knock off two chicom satellites , hehehehe’

    CIA wet job operatives seem to be on steroid these days.

  160. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Change that Matters

    I have no intention of letting my tribe be overrun by Chinese

    I don’t need to ask you your tribe. But one thing I do know: the Chinese have no interest in “overrunning” anyone.

    I travel often to South East Asia. In speaking with the locals, one thing becomes clear. Unless you are some sort of crusader for “human rights” or your tribe’s particular values, or are obsessed with some notion of “making the world a better place”, what happens in China need be no concern of yours, mine, or anyone outside of China.

    I spend time in a small South-East Asian country. The “country” lacks cohesion, identity, effective administration or a capable military. Their economy is small. You would think that they would be a very tempting, very easy target for Chinese subversion and domination.

    Yet, the locals all agree that their only issue with China is one that has almost no real effect on their lives – some reefs in the sea.

    No hint of Chinese money flowing to local politicians to affect policy, no peep or objection from China when their citizens are sentenced to prison for running afoul of local laws, to pressure tactics for basing rights – nothing. The Chinese hate the idea of infringement of sovereignty, so they pressure from the outside, never from the inside. They take a hands-off approach to your house, as it were.

    As far as the locals are concerned, Chinese are just some people who “make stuff”, “buy stuff” and respect their tribe’s rules where it counts, in their domestic affairs.

    As far as I know, this is the modus operandi of the Chinese world wide. You want them gone from your space? Just say so, and they’re gone. Their effect on your affairs stops exactly on your border, not a millimeter beyond.

    I can live with the approach of China, easily. It has zero effect on my people, or my life.

  161. @Parfois1

    The Cabal of dual passport holders may want a war, I think they probably do, but they have to get the generals to agree and that seems a bit harder than it used to be.

    War devastations (and pandemics) are the greatest source for immiserating and culling the masses and channeling wealth to the banksters.

    I don’t think this is true. “immiserating” and channeling wealth to the banksters? Yes, but culling? Doesn’t seem to have worked well recently. In any case, though I am not in the USA it seems that it would not take much to cause (Ahem!) civil disorder and who know what effect a war would have at the moment, while channeling wealth to the banksters seems to be proceeding very smoothly without.

  162. c matt says:
    @denk

    Married couples can only make love once a week.

    How would increasing sexual congress in married couples help them?

    • Replies: @denk
  163. @JohnPlywood

    Plastic Pollution is not a non-issue. It is exterminating too many animals for that to be true.

  164. @Curmudgeon

    I think it is worth pointing out that internal combustion engines depend on photosynthesis for the oxygen they use.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
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  165. Miro23 says:
    @foolisholdman

    I think it is worth pointing out that internal combustion engines depend on photosynthesis for the oxygen they use.

    True, that photosynthesis produces an oxygen byproduct that internal combustion engines (and ourselves) use. Hopefully human adaption, and human inventiveness, will reforest Europe and Asia (Indian and China) to maintain the oxygen supply.

  166. @Hiram of Tyre

    Webster Tarpley says a lot of things, a lot of them makes me wonder what he’s smoking. Of course the Venetians were interested in the Silk Road. I don’t understand how that would make them “intelligencers for the Mongol army of Ghengis Khan and his heirs,” for the massacres going on across the Northern part of Europe, or how that differs from what I described the Mongol tactic as being – surrender or be massacred. Obviously, the Islamic forces in the East chose not to surrender. My comment about Baghdad was “allegedly”, not factually.
    I don’t agree with all of the conclusions in this video, but the mapping of wars of conquest speak for themselves. They slowed in the East at the time of the Mongol invasions.
    https://www.politicalislam.com/why-we-are-afraid-a-1400-year-secret/

    • Replies: @Hiram of Tyre
  167. Agent76 says:

    May 22, 2020 The End of Hong Kong?

    China’s National People’s Congress (NPC) has struck what might be the final blow to Hong Kong freedom—pushing forward a national security law that could make criticizing the Chinese Communist Party.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  168. @thetruth

    The Carter Center has been overseeing Chinese elections for decades.

    Guess what happened when the UN wanted to inspect American elections?

  169. @Wielgus

    The Chinese have probably published more on military logistics than the rest of the world combined and Mao’s feats in that regard are legendary.

    I doubt that logistics limited the Chinese volunteer army. I suspect it was mercy.

  170. denk says:
    @c matt

    It wont help the couple, it’d please [[[them]]], those de-population gurus.

    How many predictive programming do we need ?

    https://www.businessinsider.sg/bill-gates-warns-the-next-pandemic-disease-is-coming-2018-4?op=1&r=US&IR=T

  171. @Mary Marianne

    This is a good article:

    China’s Attempt To Create The World’s Largest National Park System
    Kyle Obermann, supChina. May 22, 2020

    Since China’s 2015 announcement of a new national pilot park system beginning with Qinghai Province’s Sanjiangyuan National Pilot Park, China has created 10 new pilot national parks, ranging from Hainian, Heilongjiang, and Fujian to the Tibetan Plateau. Combined, these new parks already cover a land area two-thirds the size of the U.S. park system, established in 1916. And yet, China’s national park system looks nothing like the U.S. model — and that’s by design.
    In the last decade, China’s protection of natural resources and lands has been officially guided by the principles of a “protected area system with national park as the main body” and “protected areas with Chinese characteristics.” The developing national park system in China is far from the system of backcountry passes and campsites many think of in Western countries. The main focus of China’s national park system is to streamline and consolidate governance of already protected areas, strengthen wildlife corridors and core habitats, and advance Xi Jinping’s fúpín 福贫 poverty alleviation strategy.
    Traditionally, China’s governance and definition of protected areas has spread across nature reserves, forest parks, scenic areas, wetland parks, and other categories with no singular management system, confounding attempts to effectively manage the habitat of a connected biome or species — like that of the giant panda. What is now the singular Giant Panda National Park, overseen by the newly created National Park Administration, was actually the conglomeration and streamlining of 77 different protected areas across six different categories originally split across national, provincial, and county levels of governance. The situation is similar for other parks across the country. The Chinese national park system is much less an addition of new protected areas as it is an updated and streamlined management scheme for key ecosystems whose protection was once hampered by bureaucratic mix-up.
    In an aggressive push to build human-disturbance-free wildlife corridors and habitats, many of the new national parks are engaging in a process called “ecological relocation” for those who live inside the “core zones” of new parks. In the Qilian Mountains National Park on the border of Gansu and Qinghai, the goal is to “voluntarily” relocate most or all of the 54,665 people living in the core zone by 2025. While news of relocating 170,000 people inside the Giant Panda National Park caught eyes in 2017, the official number for relocation was only 5,553.

    Conservation China is a five-part series in which environmental photographer Kyle Obermann brings us through glaciers, remote forests, and dusty villages to the gritty and stunning frontlines of Chinese conservation efforts. This is part 3. (Previously: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.) supchina.com/tag/conservation-china

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  172. @Anonymous

    You are not suppose to be level headed.

    You were suppose to buy into the debt trap fantasy.

    Good comment by the way.

    • Agree: Patagonia Man
  173. @Godfree Roberts

    That I partially disagree. If the Chinese army had no supplies problems, the Korean war would have been over really fast. Every Chinese offensive in that war had to wait for supply stockpiles to fill. They also had no air or naval support. If that army had American level of supplies, it was game over really fast.

  174. @JohnPlywood

    I think you should be forced to drink Flint water till your death.

    • Replies: @JohnPlywood
  175. @Astuteobservor II

    The Chinese were careful not to add massacre to their humiliation of US forces. To have done so would have guaranteed a nuclear strike, against which they were defenseless.

  176. thetruth says:
    @AaronB

    talk about reverse ecological damage, here has some videos to show how China uses about 50 years to turn deserts of a thousand years into fertile land, “Miracle in Maowusu desert ”

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Miracle+in+Maowusu+desert+

  177. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    What always struck me about accounts of the Korean War was how correctly, even properly, Chinese forces behaved off the battlefield, when not in direct combat (they were violent, brutal and effective IN combat, clearly).

    Chinese behavior must have come as somewhat unexpected for American, British and Australian veterans of the Pacific War, who were exposed to the casual cruelty and vicious atrocity of the forces of Imperial Japan.

    Basically, once you were no longer a threat, you could expect reasonable treatment from the CPV (Chinese People’s Volunteers). Within the extremely limited resources of China, prisoners got enough food (mostly just rice with a little pork), medical treatment, and accommodations (peasant-grade blankets and bed rolls, mostly in unheated buildings or just tents).

    But, these were in turn expected of prisoners: no escape attempts, no giving the guards a hard time, no brawling within the ranks, and obedience to instructions. A prisoner was a prisoner, period.

    Interrogation and torture did take place. The Chinese seemed to have expertise in getting as much information for as little pain inflicted as possible; any such instances were always ordered from, according to prisoner impressions, higher up the chain of command.

    Combat soldiers did not indulge in unprofessional cruelty, but obeyed their intelligence officers in efficient, machine-like fashion, when specifically ordered to inflict agony. Allied veterans of the European War compared their prisoner experience with the Chinese to being captured by the German Army, minus of course the cultural compatibility.

    The experience of surrendering to the North Koreans was very different. There were widespread accounts of beatings, being strung up, water torture, and worse nastiness. North Korean soldiers seemed to have actual hatred for the Allied prisoners, and to derive enjoyment from their suffering. The lower ranks indulged in casual torture, orders or no.

    Whether North Korean behavior was the result of seeing their land ravaged by Allied armies, a different sort of indoctrination, or (probably) less discipline and leadership in the lower ranks, as compared to the Chinese, who knows? Probably a combination of all three.

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  178. @Godfree Roberts

    All their cities have vast beautiful parks and public squares every single city no matter how poor it is. All power to their urban planning the rest of the world should copy them.

    • Agree: Godfree Roberts, Ber
  179. Parfois1 says:
    @Mary Marianne

    I never understood why Americans continue to vote in such idiots after 40 years of stagnation/decline.

    Easy. The US is a single-party state: Money Party. (and why the Jews like it.)

  180. Biff says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    Who in the world would ever massacre a defenseless military? That is just sick! and wrong!
    https://www.liberationnews.org/george-h-w-bushs-complicity-in-the-1991-highway-of-death-massacre/

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  181. Anonymous[413] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    You do realize that ethnic Chinese own most of South East Asia, right? And well on their way to doing so in Australia?

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  182. @Change that Matters

    Good points. Part of the issue in Europe now is the EU bigger heads are claiming China is “trying to divide the EU” because they are dealing directly with European countries. Central and Eastern Europe are becoming very connected to China through it’s west.. Freight train traffic grows year by year. As China is the biggest market – will they be able to manufacture to sell to China in 30 years. Central Asia is doing good business selling local delicacies into China using the same route. So they benefit too from an agriculture – rather than manufacturing perspective.

  183. @Anon

    Funny enough the unofficial line as to why India is taking land from Nepal is the same line they used on Bhutan a few years ago “well China is going to take it from you so we are protecting you”. Unlike Bhutan (which is a vassal and can’t conduct foreign relations without India’s approval) – Nepal is independent and speak for itself. That blockade a few years ago by India is fresh in their mind. But part of the reason India is willing to betray Russia and become a US vassal is because all the neighboring countries have become very friendly with China.

  184. @Hegar

    Well as Pepe noted – in the original “destroy America” wasn’t part of the title of the book…. It was added (by whom is a good question). The Breitbart crowd of course wouldn’t recognize that. Neither would the Fox News crowd… But honestly – neither would the CNN and MSNBC crowd. That’s why we got to this level.

  185. @Biff

    Yes, that really sucked.

  186. @Anonymous

    I live in SE Asia. What you allege is nonsense about SE Asia and ridiculous about my native country, Australia.

  187. bluedog says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    A very good book out there called “The Coldest Winter” all taken from those that fought all the way back up Korea.The screw ups by those directing the war 100 miles back from the front,as the U.S. Troops were still fighting in summer uniforms at 40 below, many just gave up and waited for death either from the Chinese/Koreans or the cold.It seems no one back in Washington knew that Korea had a winter too.!!!

  188. bluedog says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    You know that’s interesting for in that book one who was there told about how he and others were wound and the Chinese carried them on stretchers in a round about route and left them on the road two days later not to far from American forces.where they were found the next morning by an American patrol..

    • Replies: @Ber
  189. @Biff

    I had a calculus professor say “I bet you all think Algebra came from Greece”…. Most of us sat there like “didn’t it?”…. Yeah I had to explain to a guy the other day that ideas of chivalry and also the scientific method got there from “the middle east”… He swore Europe invented them.

    • Agree: Hiram of Tyre
  190. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Except that’s false. It was ethnic Chinese in Hong Kong – Taiwan – ASEAN that did. How many Mandarin speakers do you think Western companies had in the 80’s??? I bet you don’t even know Apple doesn’t make their phones in China – Foxconn does.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  191. @Agent76

    That video is stupid propaganda. Hong Kong was NEVER allowed to question the British – but had to be an obedient colony “or else”. As to what China is doing…. It is written in the Basic Law negotiated with the British. Read all the articles. The NPC is allowed to add laws addressing foreign affairs and such… Likewise the Basic Law states Hong Kong was supposed to implement a national security law… It’s been 23 years and it hasn’t happened. Meanwhile Macau did it a decade ago. The anti China talking heads are just upset their spy rings can be more easily outed. They know most people would never read the Basic Law to know China is within its rights….

    • Agree: Erebus, antibeast
  192. @Curmudgeon

    I don’t agree with everything Tarpley postulates either but his thesis/work on the Venetian Oligarchy is based on Venetian and Italian historical records. I invite you to read the entirety of his “Against Oligarchy” to see for yourself. I have cross-referenced virtually everything presented in it with dozens of references over the course of the years and it checks out.That said, my comment was/is not to whitewash and/or belittle the Mongols and/or Muslims’ invasions/conquests but to highlight the (unknown and/or unspoken) role the Venetian Oligarchy played in the sacking of Baghdad. The Venetian Oligarchy is the “invisible hand” (for lack of better word). They played a similar role during the Crusades when the knights sacked Constantinople.

    p.s. Thanks for the video.

  193. @Astuteobservor II

    Flint, MI lead pollution in water was just as bad 100 years ago as it is today. The lead pollution is caused by the lead pipes that were installed in Flint homes when they were built 120 years ago. The difference is, back then, no one gave a shit and drank their leaded water with a smile. I guarantee you the water in flint also had more arsenic, bacteria, etc in it back then as well. Not to mention the absolutely horrid smokestack exhaust, factory acid discharge, heavy metal freshwater pollution, etc. Earth just keeps getting cleaner!!!!!

  194. Ber says:
    @bluedog

    I am inclined to think it is their Confucianism ethics of benevolence.

  195. @Godfree Roberts

    That I disagree again. Back in the 1950s, USA had no intention of nuking anyone, just the single retarded general who got his ass kicked. It ruined his chance of running for president.

    Remember, 1950s is very different than now in 2020.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  196. @Astuteobservor II

    U.S. PAPERS TELL OF ’53 POLICY TO USE A-BOMB IN KOREA
    By Bernard Gwertzman
    June 8, 1984

    Documents released today give details on a decision by President Dwight D. Eisenhower’s Administration in 1953 to use atomic bombs in North Korea and Communist China, if necessary, to end the Korean War.
    Once the armistice was achieved, on July 27, 1953, the Eisenhower Administration continued to define plans to use nuclear weapons if the Communists renewed the war, which the North Koreans started in 1950.
    President Eisenhower took office in January 1953 after talks for a cease-fire had dragged on for two years and the war had settled into a standoff, with casualties being incurred but with no change in the front line, which today still separates North and South Korea.
    The fact that the Eisenhower Administration was ready to use nuclear weapons is not new. President Eisenhower, in his memoirs, said he came into office prepared to use them, if necessary, to break the deadlock. What is new in the 2,000 pages of documents now made public is the high level of planning and the detail of discussion on possible use of these weapons, and Mr. Eisenhower’s interest in overcoming reluctance to use them.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1984/06/08/world/us-papers-tell-of-53-policy-to-use-a-bomb-in-korea.html

    I’m sure we would have used them humanely, though, for democracy, freedom and Jesus.

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    , @d dan
  197. @Godfree Roberts

    Well fuck me side ways.

    I stand corrected sir.

    I guess we have always had crazy fucks running this country. And another reason why China should get nuclear parity.

  198. d dan says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    “The fact that the Eisenhower Administration was ready to use nuclear weapons is not new.”

    Besides Eisenhower, Truman never ruled out the use of atomic bomb also. He fired MacArthur not because the later’s suggestion to use atomic bomb, but because of the general’s incompetency in directing Korean war, arrogance and being big mouth.

    Additional note for Astuteobservor II: Soviet also did consider launching a nuclear attack on China in the 1960s. In fact, they asked US to join them. US refused to join in.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @showmethereal
    , @FB
  199. bluedog says:
    @d dan

    Indeed I believe they called it surgical strike.but move ahead into the 1960 area and who was planning a first strike on Russia,the JCS were foaming at the mouth against JFK because he wouldn’t allow it,even tho they had been told by their own people that the return strikes would kill up to 35 million Americans and millions more who would be better off dead,that to them was acceptable.Part of the cabal to kill JFK came right out of the JCS as they said he was a traitor for not killing 35+ million Americans and these people are in power today,so put nothing pass them and that includes Trump and the rest of his neocons,!!!

  200. Half-Jap says:
    @Anonymous

    What always struck me about accounts of the Korean War was how correctly, even properly, Chinese forces behaved off the battlefield, when not in direct combat (they were violent, brutal and effective IN combat, clearly).

    Chinese behavior must have come as somewhat unexpected for American, British and Australian veterans of the Pacific War, who were exposed to the casual cruelty and vicious atrocity of the forces of Imperial Japan.

    As if Americans were angels (War Without Mercy is an excellent book). Also, all accounts during the war, outside Nationalist propaganda, about the Jap. Imp. Army was along the lines of your first paragraph. Not that the death march didn’t happen, although part of the blame is on MacArthur for taking much supplies with him in his escape. You can find tons of third party accounts, even by the very people we occupied. But nobody has a sense for evidence, as anything the victors say about the defeated is ipso facto or a priori true. Although indeed, the Army was brutal or pitiless towards their prisoners, as they were towards their own PFCs and NCOs.

    I might also add that my grandfather faced summary execution by the commies, being ordered to dig a hole, but him being fluent in Mandarin and eminently friendly (and lucky, eh?), befriended his guard and executioner, who told him to run after dark and he’ll shoot in the air after. Others were not so fortunate, but such were the times, and there is no virtue in showing one group or another to be above others in goodness. We are all mere mortals.

  201. @d dan

    Indeed – I remember reading that the Soviets decided against nuking China because they said that the amount of nukes it would take to cause China to surrender would cause too much potential for the nuclear fallout to impact severely Russia.

  202. FB says: • Website
    @d dan

    Soviet also did consider launching a nuclear attack on China in the 1960s. In fact, they asked US to join them. US refused to join in.

    That’s the first I’ve heard of this…any links…?

    Every military plans for ANY possibility…that’s their job by definition…I wrote here recently about US plans to go to war against Britain in the 1930s, and vice versa…and even Canada had a plan to invade the northern US…

    You have to place these kinds of *contingency* plans into their proper context…

    • Replies: @d dan
  203. Cowboy says:
    @bluedog

    Haha I’m just plowing the ground and fertilizing it with the excrement from douchedogs and it’s not necessarily a speedy job but its satisfying to see how effective it is

    • Replies: @bluedog
  204. d dan says:
    @FB

    “That’s the first I’ve heard of this…any links…?”

    https://www.scmp.com/article/714064/nixon-intervention-saved-china-soviet-nuclear-attack

    “The most serious came in 1969…. The Soviets moved thousands of troops to its far east and prepared missiles armed with nuclear warheads. It told its allies in eastern Europe that it planned a nuclear attack ‘to wipe out the Chinese threat and get rid of this modern adventurer’.

    On August 20, the Soviet ambassador in Washington told Kissinger of their plans and asked the US to remain neutral. Wishing to stop the attack, the White House leaked the story to The Washington Post. Its edition of August 28 reported that the Soviet Union planned to launch missiles with hundreds of tonnes of nuclear material on Beijing, Changchun, Anshan and its missile-launch centres of Jinquan, Xichang and Lop Nor.”

    • Replies: @FB
  205. To truly make America Great again America must again becime self sufficient in strategic areas. Is it possible? That depends. If we leave it to Wall Street and the markets it won’t happen. But, if a young, strong American leader were to suddenly emerge, one with a keen insight into what truly ailes us, someone who can capture the public’s heart and mind by speaking truth to power, someone who can get around the media blockade that will surely stand in his way, then we are 5 years away from a new dawn. American’s are getting tired of the liberal left, but they also won’t back a bigotted retread. We need new, and honest blood. A real home grown grass roots alternative to the Hollywood drek we’ve been fed for the past 5 decades.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  206. @Change that Matters

    You make sense.
    I can’t help but think about how the neocons have fatally wounded America. It’s obvious that this was their goal. WW2 bankrupted England, and that was the doing of their own set of neocons, and then they moved west. So here we are today.

  207. These pieces always seem to take a such a benign position on Chinese ambitions and methods.

    It is undeniable that the Chinese have been stealing research and IP from US business and educational institutions for decades. They have also expanded their territorial claims over the SCS to the point of absurdity. Their response to the COVID pandemic – hiding all evidence and censoring data – is not the behavior of a responsible or well meaning superpower.

    Whether the author wants to admit it or not, Chinese growth is going to be at the expense of its neighbors.

  208. Wielgus says:
    @Godfree Roberts

    No, they had logistics problems and quite serious ones. Mao organised a campaign for Chinese households to fry flour for the troops in Korea, probably creating something like the Latin American empanada – it would keep for a while and could be sent to the troops. Air attacks made it difficult to move supplies down roads by day using vehicles, and in fact Chinese and KPA troops often had to hole up in daytime in the winter of 1950-1, moving at night. The further south they were, the harder they were to supply. It was no surprise that their offensive died out south of Seoul.
    They also lacked adequate winter footwear – better-equipped ones had fur-lined winter boots but many wore their summer shoes, which gave about as much protection against the cold as sneakers or plimsolls. Even Manchurians were sometimes shocked by how cold the Korean winter could be, and the Chinese had heavy casualties from frostbite.

  209. antibeast says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    They also had no air or naval support.

    You must have been watching too many reruns of M*A*S*H. The Korean War was the first time jet fighters were deployed in aerial combat with the Soviet MiG-15 vs the US F-86 fighting over the “MiG Alley” near the Yalu River. See link below:

    https://www.airforcemag.com/article/0410alley/

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  210. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    Except that’s false. It was ethnic Chinese in Hong Kong – Taiwan – ASEAN that did. How many Mandarin speakers do you think Western companies had in the 80’s??? I bet you don’t even know Apple doesn’t make their phones in China – Foxconn does.

    Westerners love to white-wash the history of Western antagonism to China, ignoring Western sanctions against China after TAM’89. The only thing that the West gave China was access to its markets via the WTO. Everything else either came from East Asia or were developed organically by mainland Chinese with the exception of a few Western MNCs willing to transfer their technology to China. Even the business/economic models adopted by China came from East Asia: contract manufacturing, industrial townships, science and technology parks, transit-oriented development, industrial supply-chain clustering, etc.

    Your example of Apple is apropos as Apple hardly owns any factories anywhere in the world with the exception of the USA. The making of Apple’s products including its Ax chips are mostly outsourced to contract manufacturers such as Foxconn and TSMC, both of which are Taiwanese companies who’ve created their own industrial technology to manufacture electronics and semiconductors respectively.

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
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  211. bluedog says:
    @Cowboy

    Hmm it sure sounds like that’s the same ground you grew in so its contaminated, so we all will pass well except for the few others that grew along with you in that contaminated soil.!!!

  212. bluedog says:
    @the grand wazoo

    We had one but they killed him back in 63 and they only come about in generations, so that’s a long way down the road,sorry but the right is no different just because they carry a different brand on their ass don’t mean that they are any different,and that’s what they use to divide the people.!!

  213. Wielgus says:
    @antibeast

    They were not in a position to give close support to Chinese troops, and MiGs mainly contested US aircraft that ventured north of Pyongyang. At night Chinese or North Korean biplanes occasionally carried out harassment bombing of UN positions when the war reached its static stage – they flew too slowly to be easily intercepted by jets. Finally one jet shot down one of the biplanes by lowering flaps to slow itself down, but slowed down too much, stalled and crashed.

  214. @Mary Marianne

    The Zionist Jews have long controlled both the major parties. It his hard for the small parties to get any traction in our 2 party system and since the same Zionists control all of the MSM they control the narrative that is fed to the goyim. That is why they can sell a fake virus as a cover for another wealth transfer as in 08-09. The zionists are always peddling some kind of scam. Remember WMD’s, the new ice age, then global warming-I mean climate change. How about Peak oil and acid rain and mercury was destroying the oceans.

    If the Libertarians or the Greens or whatever were any threat to the elites they would just have the rich Jews like Trump’s top donors Adelson, Kushners, Singer and Marcus (or the Jews that fund the left) fund them too and own another puppet politician. It’s all a show for the Goys. Instead just try to vote some real limited gov. people to the House off Representatives.

  215. antibeast says:
    @HeebHunter

    Lol, muttmerica is truly a slave nation.

    No, muttmerica is a slave plantation. There fixed it for you.

  216. antibeast says:
    @Poco

    It’s definitely raysiss to not love China and not want to be just like them. To not want to be dependent on manufacturing from China. To not want their government. To not want their citizens here. To not acknowledge their inevitable superiority in every way. Raysiss, raysiss, raysiss.

    No, it’s definitely NOT raysiss to leave China and Chinese alone. To give your own people the chance to work in factories making things for your own needs. To want a government that takes care of your own people. To want a nation of citizens not a plantation of slaves. To acknowledge that the time has come for the USA to run America for Americans. And leave everybody else alone. That’s not raysiss. That’s reason.

  217. @antibeast

    Agreed. Though your last sentence there is a new issue. TSMC is now being extorted by the US regarding Huawei since that became their biggest customer. Apparently they us some US tools in their manufacturing process. Nothing abnormal in that – except when gangsters disguisex as politicians want to extort you. My guess is there will be a push now to remove US tools in South Korea – Japan – Taiwan. Its touchy because they are all beholden to US extortion on a military level – but they make far more money doing business with China. This will be very “interesting” going forward. More and more of Taiwan’s semiconductor talent is moving to the mainland. Top TSMC guys have left for SMIC. Top Mediatek guys have left for OPPO. UMC guys have gone to work at memory companies on the mainlamd. I wonder what slimy way the DPP will retaliate against them..?? This will be very interesting.

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  218. FB says: • Website
    @d dan

    Wow…

    What an absolute piece of completely made up bullshit…from the colonial fish wrap out of Hong Kong, known as the South China Morning Post…

    Not one thing mentioned in that ‘article’ is historically accurate…some of it is just off the wall bullshit, like that Nixon ‘threatened’ to nuke the Soviets, if they nuked China…

    Even wikipedia has a fairly decent article on the Sino-Soviet border conflict of 1969…

    It was the Chinese that started this, with a blatant act of aggression…and the Soviets were genuinely worried about the huge Chinese ground forces, which they could not hope to withstand without a nuclear response…

    The US had hoped to get the Ooviets onside with taking out jointly the Chinese nuclear facilities several years prior…but the Soviets declined, reasoning that the Chinese nuclear capability was not a threat…

    Now this SCMP fool is trying to get us to believe that Nixon actually threatened to nuke the Soviets if they moved against the Chinese nuclear sites…?

    Pure Bullshit…and this while the US and USSR were in the middle of the Nixon-Brezhnev detente talks, and what would become the first nuclear arms limitation treaty…?

    This is how stupid the colonial fish wrapper SCMP thinks that you Chinese are…

    Obviously you have nothing to do with mainland China…just like your Singaporean buddy ‘showme’…

    You two are on every thread here on UNZ squawking about anything having to do with China, yet you are not even Chinese nationals…ridiculous…

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    , @d dan
  219. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    Agreed. Though your last sentence there is a new issue. TSMC is now being extorted by the US regarding Huawei since that became their biggest customer. Apparently they us some US tools in their manufacturing process. Nothing abnormal in that – except when gangsters disguisex as politicians want to extort you. My guess is there will be a push now to remove US tools in South Korea – Japan – Taiwan. Its touchy because they are all beholden to US extortion on a military level – but they make far more money doing business with China. This will be very “interesting” going forward. More and more of Taiwan’s semiconductor talent is moving to the mainland. Top TSMC guys have left for SMIC. Top Mediatek guys have left for OPPO. UMC guys have gone to work at memory companies on the mainlamd. I wonder what slimy way the DPP will retaliate against them..?? This will be very interesting.

    Yes, I’ve read about that. Both TSMC (Taiwan) and Samsung have surpassed Intel which is still stuck at 14nm. That’s why the Trump Administration asked TSMC to invest in a semiconductor fab in the USA.

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  220. antibeast says:
    @FB

    What an absolute piece of completely made up bullshit…from the colonial fish wrap out of Hong Kong, known as the South China Morning Post…

    SCMP stands for “Stupid Capitalist Moronic Propaganda” rag.

    It was the Chinese that started this, with a blatant act of aggression…and the Soviets were genuinely worried about the huge Chinese ground forces, which they could not hope to withstand without a nuclear response…

    The US had hoped to get the Soviets onside with taking out jointly the Chinese nuclear facilities several years prior…but the Soviets declined, reasoning that the Chinese nuclear capability was not a threat…

    Now this SCMP fool is trying to get us to believe that Nixon actually threatened to nuke the Soviets if they moved against the Chinese nuclear sites…?

    That story is not even credible as both the USA and Soviets were geopolitical rivals fighting a proxy war in the midst of the Vietnam War. And China was already a nuclear power by that time.

  221. @antibeast

    Indeed Intel is behind… Many in the semiconductor industry are stating that this is a “wait and see” (plans for TSMC to build a plant in Arizona). For the wafer production quoted – many surmise it would be a money losing venture. As noted – there was a reason in the first place even Intel itself moved a lot of production offshore. Aside from that – if Huawei loses what had just become their biggest customer (Huawei) – how can they even afford to build it while losing 14% of their revenue. Even more ironic is that many semiconductor analysts state that the loss of Intel being able to sell certain chips to China (under Obama) to make super computers – meant Intel had less money for R&D – which is part of the reason they fell behind TSMC and Samsung. Interesting times ahead indeed.

  222. d dan says:
    @FB

    “Now this SCMP fool is trying to get us to believe that Nixon actually threatened to nuke the Soviets …”

    I don’t believe that part too. But I do believe Soviet was considering launching an attack on China. How seriously is hard to tell without declassified info.

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