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Amid the deepest economic contraction in nearly a century, President Xi Jinping had already made it very clear, last month, that China should be ready for unprecedented, relentless foreign challenges.

He was not referring only to the possible decoupling of global supply chains and the non-stop demonization of every project related to the New Silk Roads, or Belt and Road Initiative.

An allegedly leaked internal document, secret and invisible inside China, but nonetheless obtained by some obscure Western-connected source, even stated, essentially, that the blame game against China over the virus is like the backlash over Tiananmen all over again.

According to the secret, invisible document, China would have to “prepare for armed confrontation between the two global powers” – a reference to the US. It’s as if this was an aggressive strategy deployed by the Chinese state in the first place, and not in response to the massive escalation of hybrid warfare 2.0 by the United States government.

For all practical purposes, the hysterical demonization of China across the Beltway has now overtaken the previous hysterics, the demonization of Russia.

What Beijing used to define as a “period of strategic opportunity” is over. There were rumblings in intel circles that the CCP leadership believed this strategic window of opportunity would last unimpeded until the key date, 2049 – when “national rejuvenation” should have been fully accomplished.

Forget it. Now the whole game is about hybrid warfare 2.0 deployed by the US to contain the emerging superpower, whatever it takes. And that implies that a plethora of Chinese plans are now being turbo-charged.

The first order of business is to restore the productivity of the Made in China machine. During his recent visit to Shaanxi province, historically crucial for the CCP, President Xi insisted on it, coupled with an anti-poverty offensive. He had promised to eliminate poverty this year.

Significantly, and contrary to all Western forecasts, China’s exports grew 3.5% in April, compared with a fall of 6.6% in March. This totally shatters the decoupling rationale. The Japanese government, for instance, is accelerating the relocation of factories from China, in haste. Not a very clever strategy.

These factories are leaving a nation that has all but eradicated Covid-19. And if they move to Vietnam, well, that’s also a socialist economy (with Vietnamese characteristics).

China’s GDP growth fell by 6.8% in the first quarter of 2020. Recovery is already on. Officially, unemployment was at 5.9% in late March – not taking into account migrant workers who went back to the big cities after spending the apex of Covid-19 in the countryside. There were projections of unemployment at 20% – later retracted.

Recovery will be a mix of economic stimulus to companies, big and small; investments in infrastructure; and vouchers to a great many of the working masses. The hukou system – linking social rights to place of residence – will also be reformed. The key date to watch will be May 22, during the postponed session of the National People’s Congress.

Belt & Road on track

Geopolitically, the analysis by the French think tank CAPS, a subsidiary of the Ministry of Foreign Relations in Paris, has become practically a mantra across the West.

CAPS is alarmed that China has become indispensable, while questioning its “values” and “hidden agenda.” With the EU totally paralyzed and graphically proving its irrelevance on myriad levels, especially in terms of agreeing upon an effective rescue package for all its members, the – declining – West, almost in block, is terrified that China is in the irreversible process of becoming the top global power.

Even after suffering the massive Covid-19 blow, Beijing seems to be in control of all base variables in its economic policy (financial institutions, large corporations). The CCP will double down on developing the whole production machine side by side with widespread application of AI techniques.

What seems to be established by now is that China will first secure its own national interests – in terms of global supply chains and exports. Short and medium term, there will be concentrated focus on selected New Silk Roads overland and maritime connectivity corridors – Health Silk Road included.

Even with Covid-19, China’s trade with Belt and Road nations grew 3.2% in the first quarter, not shabby even when compared with the 10.8% for the whole of 2019.

According to the Ministry of Commerce, Beijing’s trade with 56 Belt and Road nations scattered across Asia, Africa, Europe and South America represents a very important 30% of total annual trade. Now compare it to the 13% to 32% contraction in global trade forecast by the World Trade Organization for 2020.

So even if a trade drop in the first quarter of 2020 was more than predictable, it’s bound to pick up quickly especially in relation to Southeast Asia, Eastern Europe and the Arab world.

Belt and Road is predictably facing myriad short and middle term challenges – all linked to broken connectivity: supply chain breakdowns, widespread travel and visa restrictions, severe border controls, project delays because of increased costs.

Examples include the $6 billion, 150 km-long Jakarta-Bandung high-speed rail in Indonesia, with technical experts from China only slowly trickling back in after being absent because of government restrictions. Along the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, mandatory quarantine for Chinese technicians has frozen progress for at least two months. The same applies to projects in Bangladesh and Sri Lanka.

According to an Economist Intelligence Unit report, Covid-19 will derail Belt and Road in 2020. That may have been the case only for the first four months of the year. Even under Covid-19, Beijing has signed deals for new Belt and Road projects in Myanmar, Turkey and Nigeria.

The 414-km long China-Laos high-speed rail – connecting Yunnan, via Vientiane, to Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore – remains on track, with completion scheduled for the end of 2021. ASEAN, significantly, is now China’s number one trade partner, ahead of the drowning-in-crises EU.

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The key takeaway from all this is that the CCP’s complex macro-strategy will be undisturbed. That implies that China will remain the top engine of the global economy, with or without decoupling, and with Belt and Road at the very core of China’s macro-foreign policy strategy, coupled with a solid drive towards multilateralism.

As much as vast swathes of the world economy, especially across the Global South, show no intention of decoupling from China, Beijing will have to be ready to counterpunch full-spectrum hybrid war by Washington on every front – geo-economic, cybernetic, biological, psychological.

As Kishore Mahbubani detailed in his latest book, that does not mean that China will have the intention – and the capacity – to become a new gendarme of the world. It will certainly turbo-charge its economic and financial power, as in the careful implementation of the possibly gold-backed digital yuan.

And then there’s the relentlessly evolving game-changer responsible for the US establishment’s sleepless nights: the Russia-China strategic partnership.

Two weeks ago, an immensely important geopolitical development was virtually buried by corona-hysteria.

Moscow is very much aware that Washington is deploying missile defense systems very close to Russia’s borders – carrying the potential to deliver a nuclear first strike. Beijing is following this development with alarm.

Moscow being aware of it is just part of the story: the key point is that Russia is confident sophisticated weapons such as the Sarmat and the Avangard will take care of it.

More complex is the issue of Pentagon bioweapon labs in the former USSR – an issue also closely followed by Beijing. Moscow has identified a lab near Tblisi in Georgia, and 11 of them in Ukraine. And way back in 2014, when Crimea was reunited with Russia, scientists also found a lab in Simferopol.

All this information – nuclear and bioweapons – as intel sources confirmed to me, is exchanged at the highest level of the Russia-China strategic partnership.

The next big move in the geopolitical chessboard points to the partnership negotiating their bilateral relations with the US as a team.

Nothing could be more rational, considering they are regarded as the top two “threats” to the US, according to the National Security Strategy.

Talk about a major paradigm shift.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The United States of America is locked into World War Three thermonuclear First-Strike pre-emption of a rising hegemonic state since Bear Stearns was murdered in March of 08. China & Russian Federation have been stockpiling gold bullion in anticipation of USD hyperinflation which is logically only a matter of time from here on out.

    Richard ‘the Gorilla of Wall Street’ Fuld leveraged Lehman Brothers 44:1 on a de-regulated Glass-Steagall Act which eviscerated Neoliberalism & the Chicago School of Economics as a guiding theory of finance macroeconomically across the globe.

    All Americans bet their existence on the Gorilla of Wall Street, and so too did the Chicago School of Economics. Even MIT & Yale/Harvard/Princeton et cetera. bet long on Fuld’s 44:1 leverage & intoxicated greed.

    America made its macroprudential bed and now it can sleep in it.

    RW

  2. vot tak says:

    “More complex is the issue of Pentagon bioweapon labs in the former USSR – an issue also closely followed by Beijing. Moscow has identified a lab near Tblisi in Georgia, and 11 of them in Ukraine. And way back in 2014, when Crimea was reunited with Russia, scientists also found a lab in Simferopol.”

    But those israeloamericans would never think of actually unleashing biowarfare against China or Russia…no, no, no, that would be dumb (according to a u.s. regime affiliated biowarfare wonk). All that lab investment has nothing to do with creating an active biowarfare element in zionazia’s wmd arsenal.

  3. onebornfree says: • Website

    Yet more pro China anti-freedom totalitarian commie/fascist propagandized drivel, when does it ever stop ?

    Is this site now financed by the CCP? Wouldn’t surprise me.

    Mr Escobar, if you are so in love with the criminal Chinese government, please piss off and live in China [ or N. Korea perhaps]-and the sooner the better. I’d be more than happy to “help” you on your way with a well placed boot in your a$$. And by the way- get ye gone, and good riddance.

    No regards, onebornfree

  4. Daemon says:
    @onebornfree

    Begone boomer. Breitbart is that-a-way.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  5. “I keep saying this about S Korea’s success: there’s none of this. No politicization, freaky right-wing rejection of science, anti-vaxxers/militias/MAGA pundits, ‘patriotic’ store-owners; even the religious communities agreed to lockdown. They’re serious here; this is not serious”

    • Thanks: Saggy
  6. vot tak says:
    @onebornfree

    “I’d be more than happy to “help” you on your way with a well placed boot in your a$$.”

    I’ve noticed zionazi-gays are rather preoccupied with putting things in other people’s backsides. This rectal probing fetish appears to be very common among the critters.

    “No regards”

    No grey matter, either.

    😀

    • Agree: Robert White
    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  7. anon[161] • Disclaimer says:
    @obwandiyag

    “White House Spiritual Advisor”

    Yikes! Bring out the crystal balls and incense!

  8. @onebornfree

    Anti what freedom exactly? Freedom to be replaced by a machine, without any forward thinking plan by society? Freedom to be hungry? Freedom to rampage and kill others?

    This American freedom is an ideology on par with the nihilistic ideology of ISIS. It is an embrace of materialism through Epicurianism. Why exactly is this freedom to crave endlessly, superior to the freedom the CCP aims for its people – freedom from destitution?

    You say they are enslaved, but they would say you are enslaved. You say that society enslave their individuality, they would say your individualism enslaved your society.

    Any chance of finding a balanced middle ground? Cause the Chinese are closer to it atm.

  9. Parfois1 says:
    @vot tak

    But those israeloamericans would never think of actually unleashing biowarfare against China or Russia…no, no, no, that would be dumb…

    But that is the very reason why they would do it – because of being dumb! That’s what they have been doing for donkey’s years – dumb and dangerous stuff, hence the usual shit and recognizable modus operandi. You cant expect rational behaviour from an insane coterie of political schemers.

    On the other hand, what other options do they have to sustain a rotting US? The nuclear one is out and I don’t think the Russians are losing their sleep over the “targets” (US bases) around their borders, otherwise they would have issued an ultimatum a la Kennedy as a pre-notice to obliteration. The economic/financial option is out because the Chinese-Russian entente makes that complementarity (adjoining enormous land mass and resources + population and industrial clout) unbeatable and a magnet for the world outside the NATO vassalage. And the dollar, the fiction that built US power, is already shedding its cover to reveal its nothingness and coming demise.

    Faced with the impending doom and powerless to stop it, what else can they do to delay the inevitable? A sane nation would realize the need to make compromises with others and abstain from acting like an amoral gangster (even Mafia dons have some morality). But the US has and is squandering the opportunities to avoid the enduring climate of hate it has fostered on the rest of the world by its criminal actions.

    But the US ruling cabal of vacuous politicians and vicious moguls entwined in a supremacist Jewish ideology cannot countenance the prospect of dealing with others other than as a puffed-up master. Therefore, it has to resort to underhand schemes to delay the inevitable … and to hell with the newcomers who will have to suffer the consequences of their crimes. They intimidate, coerce, blockade and attack other, weaker countries who cannot retaliate; but against the “two adversaries” such tactics don’t work. The only option left is bio-warfare and they have been working on it for many years. In their insane way, it makes sense.

    • Agree: lysias
    • Replies: @Robert White
  10. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    “Any chance of finding a balanced middle ground? Cause the Chinese are closer to it atm.”

    So piss off to your beloved “middle ground” China, and the sooner the better, moron slave.

    No regards, onebornfree

    • Troll: Seraphim
  11. Realist says:
    @obwandiyag

    Nope.

    Great counter.

    • Agree: Robert White
    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  12. Realist says:
    @Robert White

    Yes, most Americans are clearly not that bright.

    • Agree: Robert White
  13. Realist says:

    Watch digital yuan

    Digital currency is the epitome of government control of its subjects. All governments…including the US… dream of and strive for the control allotted by digital currency.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  14. SZ says:
    @onebornfree

    What an ignorant comment! We do not want to migrate to China, nor does the Chinese government want migrants en masse anyhow.
    We sympathise with China because they succeeded in two things most other third world countries (or even many first world nations) have failed. These are, first, to establish an export-oriented industry based on cheap labour that in the long-run has actually benefited them to create a diverse industrial base and numerous jobs for the urban proletariat and the rural migrants so that hundreds of millions of them have alleviated themselves from misery and poverty with their own sweat and discipline (instead of waiting for their welfare check, of which, of course, there is none and never was in Chinese history). Second, China has managed to stay firmly in control of their finances, their media, and their national power structure all the while they opened up themselves to the rest of the world for the exchange of goods, investments, and ideas. In other words, by and large, alien elements cannot put their hands into Chinese pockets, cannot whisper into their ears what to believe and what to fancy, and finally, cannot command or compromise key decision makers into compliance. By comparison, in these three key aspects, the USA, unfortunately, appears to be a full-fledged colony of an alien power.
    A significant number of low-to-medium or even high level rulers in China might be criminals, but that is, and has been, the case in most other polities throughout history. The power to rule is a strong aphrodisiac which attracts the wicked and the restless more than the sane and the content. Honest and honourable men like Jimmy Carter are rather the exception while pussy grabbers like Joe Biden are the rule.
    What matters, however, is that most Chinese people have no illusion on the nature of government, hence, they rely on themselves, their families, their kin, their friends, colleagues and partners. Government, by its very nature, is criminal and extractive, but in exchange it provides protection from street thugs (what is meant by law and order) and repels foreign intruders (what is covered by defence and intelligence). In these two aspects, the Chinese government has been quite successful, while many Western European governments have not been. The CCP might or might not be comprised of criminals, what matters, however, is that it is their own government which is not a slave to a foreign entity. The appetite of local criminals will have its limits, that of the foreign entity will not.
    Returning to the position of the non-Chinese, the rest of us: We do sympathise with China because they do not try to force their language, their way of life, their movies, their ideas, their preferences down our throats as the best and only valid way. This does not necessarily mean that we like the Chinese way of business and government or that we approve the CCP, or that we want to migrate to China or that we want China to invade us. We do not! But most of us are truly fed up with the unilateral actions of the indispensable nation, and the indispensable tribe who are puppeteering them. Hence, we are happy when China consolidates their economic and political power so that some balance can be achieved for the benefit of those nations who want to get rid of the shackles of the indispensable lunatics. Not that we wish their misery and destruction, may they live happily ever after in their own indispensability, their flamboyant exceptionality, and their grandiose extraordinarity, Amen!

  15. @Realist

    Great riposte.

    • Replies: @Realist
  16. @onebornfree

    There you go – you don’t believe in freedom, just your version of utopia, and hope for the force to make all others submit to it.

    • Replies: @Richard B
  17. antibeast says:

    Unlike Escobar, Roberts, et al, I am much more sanguine about the prospects of China’s rise which has threatened the indispensable nation of Yankistan because China was not supposed to rise above its assigned role as the cheap cog of the globalist economy serving the Capitalist Oligarchy of the NWO. By dint of hard work, sly cunning and shrew tactics, China outgrew its role by becoming the hub of the international economy via its New Silk Road and the BRI.

    What does a developing country like China, still mired in socio-economic inequality, technological dependence, political corruption and environmental degradation do? Concentrate on its own hinterland while bidding its time? Confront the hegemon head-on which would lead to military conflict? Or control its responses while cultivating partnerships with ALL peace-loving countries, whether rich or poor, First World or Third World, Western or non-Western?

    The rapid decoupling of China’s economy away from the USA started with the GFC 2008 but has since accelerated with Obama’s “Pivot to Asia” and Trump’s trade war with China. Exports to the USA account for less than 3% of China’s GDP today with 60% of those exports being either US or foreign goods manufactured in China. So the real figure is 1% of China’s GDP consists of Chinese goods exported to the US market, consisting mostly of industrial commodities or consumer products.

    As China has already charted its own independent path of building trading/investment partnerships with Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America, the USA has become threatened by China’s successful decoupling from its export dependence on the US market as proven by its hostile reaction to Xi’s BRI and China’s New Silk Road. In addition, the US was caught off-guard by the sudden rise of Chinese tech firms such as Huawei which is the world’s number one vendor of telecommunications equipment with undisputed world leadership in 5G technology.

    Shocked to find its manhood as no longer exceptional, Uncle Sam feels the need to show off to the world: “Me Gringo! Big Dick!”

  18. Cowboy says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    Collectivism is the terminus of human endeavors and produces cretinous swine reacting in zombie like contenance a lumbering herd devoid of creativity which produces a society sniveling golems always looking for the next opportunity to steal the intellectual goods of the higher culture which is basically the history of both Russia and China.

  19. @Parfois1

    The Central Ineptitude Agency & Pentagon were likely tasked to cover up Wall Street REPO hemorrhaging since September because Jamie Dimon did not want to ask Congress & the American taxpayers for yet another bailout to the tune of $6.3 trillion added to their unmanageable balance sheet so that Democrats & Republicans could look electable.

    Jamie Dimon is not stupid, and neither is the Pentagon. When the Pentagon wanted the Forensic Accountants assassinated for having the gall to investigate their books for missing trillions USD that Rumsfeld mentioned the day before they did them in the very next day in the World Trade Center bombings just for FUN.

    This time the CIA & Pentagon decided to utilize nCorona SARS-2-nCoV-19 as subterfuge for the embarrassing Smoot-Hawley Act II trade wars that MAGA led them into unwittingly so that America would crash macroeconomically in the face of the Orange Oaf’s narcissism & Psychopathology run amok.

    Trump’s Tirade War replaced what everyone thought was going to be a simple Trade War and then the writing was written on the wall for the Orange Oafdom & MAGA.

    It is highly doubtful that the Pentagon & CIA decision makers have any degree of knowledge between them when it comes to epidemiology or Gain-of-Function Dual Use bioweapons. Moreover, just as ARMY likes to ‘blow shit up’ behaviourally, so too does the CIA like to play with terrorism & bioterrorism.

    We should screen for Psychopathy in the bureaucracy IMHO. The politicians signed off on this debacle and not the real scientists of whom have been coopted by corporatism/fascism, or otherwise.

    Dumb arse imbecilic idiots without an iota of intelligence signed the order to deploy the bioweapon SARS-2-nCoV-19. We know they were imbued with frontal cortex, but we need to screen for grey matter too.

    RW

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  20. Realist says:
    @obwandiyag

    Great riposte.

    One deserves another.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
    , @Anonymous
  21. @Cowboy

    A society that goes for an economy of divided labour reduces the individual away from the natural equality of aggrarian, or artisan production. A worker who screws in one bolt for a car in a production line is a slave – they are dependent on the system of manufactoring, and a level of technology, for their security.

    Division of labour brings its own systemic inequality, which can only be dealt with by adjusting the system to provide each individual security from destitution – same as the city demanded the birth of the state for the provision of security from violence. This provision costs 30% of GDP now, if done universally, without all this capitalistic means testing and progressive taxation, which engorges the state monopoly. And leave that 70% of GDP to a free market regulated away from monopoly and deceit. Or even caveat emptor – so long as the people have what they need when they enter such a cold economy.

    A collective responsibility for needs won’t produce golems, unless you believe the psychology of ‘unlimited wants’ is incorrect, and people just want daily bread and shelter, to live out their pointless lives and die.

    Stealing tech – so you agree with knowledge monopolies then. It’s not theft – technology just filters through. What if nation A develops a touchscreen, sells it to the world. You demand no one get curious and finds out how it works by themselves? Curiosity is a key driver of human progress, denying that to people is denying them an aspect of their human nature.. How communist! Look at Edison, he stole. Einstein, he plagiarised. Israel, they got their nuclear program how? And the space programs got seeded how for the US and USSR?

    You think the Chinese steal because they spend billions in US unis learning, then working for US companies, then later take know how to China? You want to lobotomised them so they can’t or something? You should have treated them better. Same as the Russians. I got sent to the UK at age 9, by west leaning liberal parents (who like Putin, but didn’t like where Russia was heading in the late 90s). They now regret that decision because of how the west has acted on other nations. They would say the west betrayed its advertising, and that those that leave for their birth lands do so out of disappointment at these nations. Sure some spies, but that’s a thing in itself. Most are leaving with their acquired knowledge because of the risk of being interned like the Japanese in WWII.

  22. @onebornfree

    Hey onebornunfree, if you are so libertarian minded maybe spend your time opposing the US military industrial complex. Or the prison system. Most of your arguments are a mere figs leaf away from a neo conservative. You oppose the government but wrap yourself in the flag.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  23. Cowboy says:

    Your neo marxian analysis is lacking in the typical ways .
    What happened with Moa’s agrarian utopia? Oh that’s right people died of starvation but at least they weren’t slaves to technology so they had that going for them.
    Why would I innovate if I knew you’re going to steal it from me? That’s why dullards in communist countries never innovate unless coerced by the central authorities.
    You may also want to use a little curiosity to figure out why a society based on the rule of law as opposed to authoritarian topdown tyranny allows for higher levels of personal achievements whereas the dullard in the collectivist system can merely commiserate with his fellow slaves under the thumb of the stultifying nanny-state

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @RichardTaylor
    , @Biff
  24. Parfois1 says:
    @Robert White

    The Central Ineptitude Agency & Pentagon were likely tasked to cover up Wall Street REPO hemorrhaging since September because Jamie Dimon did not want to ask Congress & the American taxpayers for yet another bailout to the tune of $6.3 trillion

    That’s the type of insane schemes that make sense… from their insane perspective.

    In my understanding of events, even those apparently randomly occurring, have their purpose in some ultimate design and many acquire a momentum of their own towards an end not originally intended. And that “end” is the beginning for another process in the endless sequence to eternity.

    Down to Earth, and remembering that neocon “sage” Karl Rove’s dictum, they are always at work creating new “realities” and, while we are debating the novel bug’s pandemonium, they are already planning the next strike, the bigger the better.

    Indeed, the financial schemers are always associated with major social cataclysms, mostly through wars, and deploying a few virus here and there is child’s play for them. I tend to conflate the different high order interests (financial, Jewish, warhawks) in the US government as a convenient locus through which their power and schemes are translated into action although the US “government” (for lack of proper word to classify that coterie of clowns) may not have a clue about what the real end result is planned through governmental agencies. Still, it is through that “government” that the Deep State manifests itself and carries out its evil designs and that “government” is in fact the visible face of the Deep State.

    • Replies: @Robert White
  25. Seraphim says:
    @Cowboy

    Cowboys are not reputed for their intelligence. Chasing cows is not conducive to development of intelligence.

    • LOL: bluedog
  26. Biff says:
    @Cowboy

    You may also want to use a little curiosity to figure out why a society based on the rule of law as opposed to authoritarian topdown tyranny allows for higher levels of personal achievements whereas the dullard in the collectivist system can merely commiserate with his fellow slaves under the thumb of the stultifying nanny-state

    I’m curious as to what the fellow slaves are thinking when they see Americans standing in long lines for food and toilet paper?

    • LOL: Agent76
  27. Tor597 says:

    America has taken a massive loss of face in Asia.

    East Asian countries from S Korea to SE Asian countries like Thailand can all see how badly America handled the outbreak and continues to do so.

    Not only that, but local media is covering the surge of Anti Asian attacks in the west. Asians outside of China are afraid to travel in the west because they don’t want to be attacked, and they are angry that this is racial punishment that white people are taking out on all Asians.

    Also, the way Trump is trying to wage his anti China war is beyond sloppy. Trump could have just insinuated Chinas culpability without ever having to elevate it to official accusations. Now, his own officials are panning him along side European and Aussie leaders too. It makes America look totally incompetent.

    The whole Guido Venezuelan affair could not have come at a worse time. This kind of amateur hour coup attempt makes our administration. Look awful.

  28. @Cowboy

    America could have taken over the whole world right after WWII. We had a monopoly on nuclear weapons. After the collapse of the USSR, we could have done the same thing. America doesn’t do that because Americans have no interest in it.

    Stalinist loved to pretend that communism was a viable system going up against the US, and that every crime they committed was because mean old America made them do in our evil attempt to take over.

    Listen guys, if America had wanted to take over the whole planet, it would have been game over in 1946.

  29. d dan says:

    Survey shows that blaming a lot on China and breaking a lot of chinas are the two most popular ways for Americans to throw their tantrum.

    No wonder, that happens to be what the Chinese like the most about Americans: their consistency.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  30. Pft says:

    If you ask me this is a Fake Cold War. If it was real all student and work visas for Chinese Nationals would cancelled, and sanctions would be issued instead of tariffs and trade would be restricted.

    The fact that we would be shoeless, naked and without drugs and tech hardware, not to mention rare metals needed for weapon systems would be inconvenient, but real wars hurt.

    We have made China what it is today starting from when we betrayed our Nationalist allies while Stalin funneled weapons to the communists, to recognizing Mao when China was about to collapse and rescuing him, to selling out Taiwan and giving China MFN under Deng in return for him implementing a 1 child population to go along with NSSM201 depopulation agenda , and MFN continued even after Tiananmen Square as China adopted Capitalism while maintaining the illusion of Socialism in order that the party elite could join the Western Elite in the booty of neoliberalism inequality.

    For 30 years the security implications for deindustrialization of the West while transferring technology and wealth to China was recognized by all , but it continued because China was in the game. 70 years ago the plan was to equalize wealth between US and Europe and then Asia (first Japan, the the Asian Tigers and finally China) in order that we all be merged into One World Government.

    The people aren’t ready to hear that yet so we have these fake conflicts to maintain funding of the MIC (which has absorbed Big Pharma, Big Tech, Big Telecom, Big Agra Big Banking all of which are interlocked) while the people are terrorized at home with manufactured terror attacks of the conventional sort along with financial and pandemic attacks so people will surrender willingly to their plan of totalitarian control using tech of the 4th Industrial Revolution to control each individual. China is the model for the West where the global elite test all their new ideas.

  31. Capn Mike says:
    @SZ

    Beeeeutiful response! I wish I could have expressed it so well. Thanks.
    BTW, OneBornFree: I often agree with you, but you must have taken your cranky pills this morning.

  32. nsa says:
    @onebornfree

    Onebolnflee velly velly not good pelson. Fleedom Amelika watch lots velly pelvelted polnoglaphy and malch in gay plide palade when gleat Plesident Tlump make wu-wu vilus go away in 2024. Stock malket and Plesident Tlump not aflaid wu-wu vilus. OneBolnFlee aflaid and hide in bunker eat fleeze dly food and plactice shoot democlats with Led Lyder BB gun. OneBolnFlee cleepy plick.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  33. More pro-CCP drivel from Escobar.

    Here in HK we had a wonderful Mother’s Day (sarc); perhaps some of you will take 5 minutes to look at the video clips online.

    Here’s one: https://www.reddit.com/r/HongKong/comments/gh7veg/police_arrests_daughters_celebrating_mothers_day/

    Opposition to the Anglo-American scumbag establishment should not mean support for another group of criminals (CCP)!

    • Agree: Manfred Arcane
    • Troll: d dan
    • Replies: @Chinaman
  34. This site hates Jesus Christ so much that it’s willing to side with communist scum. What a great group of people. You will not escape The Judgement, and now you can’t say you weren’t warned. Enjoy eternity!

  35. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @Cowboy

    What happened with Moa’s agrarian utopia?
    ————-What happens with your continuous lies/illusions about your so called ‘Mao’s agrarian utopia’? You eat too much lies about Mao that you can only speak about Mao with lies. I recommend you read more real stuff before you make any comment about him.

    Oh that’s right people died of starvation but at least they weren’t slaves to technology so they had that going for them.
    ————–By your logic, your prefer to die rather than be tech slave. You should kill yourself, right now! Since you are still alive, you are double standard bitch.

    [MORE]

    Why would I innovate if I knew you’re going to steal it from me?
    ————–You would never innovate anything because you simply can not! People innovate simply because they are capable of that, it’s in human nature to make new stuffs, nothing to do with whether the innovation will be stole/learn/buy/share by others.

    That’s why dullards in communist countries never innovate unless coerced by the central authorities.
    ————–you eat and vomit more lies about communist countries. If communism is such a dullards thing, why you hate it & curse it so often & scared of it so much? People never need to hate dullard. You are brainwashed by that hatred. Communism idea is about in some far future world, as human continue develop themselves they become so good so advanced in technology, organization and morality, that finally they can take good care of everyone.
    The so called communist countries you have see, are failed/ongoing experiments since human being’s development is not there yet, they are doomed to fail in the hurry under the existing tech, organization and moral standard. But the experiments continues as the goal of take good care of everyone continues grow in good people’s heart by nature, and eversince human being continue develop themselves, the realization of the communism dream get closer.

    You may also want to use a little curiosity to figure out why a society based on the rule of law as opposed to authoritarian topdown tyranny allows for higher levels of personal achievements whereas the dullard in the collectivist system can merely commiserate with his fellow slaves under the thumb of the stultifying nanny-state
    —————–false illusion again. You propaganda eater and spreader. Every modern country is somehow under rule of law, at the same time functions with a bit of topdown tyranny.
    High level of personal achievements can only be made under well functioning collectivist system in modern world as the tech and science has being develop everyday into more sophisticated complexed level that no individual/small groups can support such knowledge acquiring, building and innovations. A nanny-state is exactly in need to support such system.
    You think USA don’t have a nanny-state? You think the big cooperates of US not part of the nanny-state? Wrong again. Though it loot the world include its own people, it’s still the biggest nanny ever for its own people! Right now it handing out its citizens 1200 USD a month by discredit one of its most powerful weapons–dollar. Guess who is actually paying for these dollar? Every person on Earth. Your elites get biggest share of your loots, doesn’t mean your people get no share. It’s just the share is small so your people are angry about it.

    I shouldn’t have write any words for you. It’s waste of time, useless.
    I stopped been surprised by how many big idiots USA can provide. Because USA is the biggest nanny of its people and biggest looter of the world, it’s in USA elites’ best interest that majority people of the nation are fooled idiots. Such a stable pyramid made of looters in the top and idiots at the bottom.
    If there is any internal conflict in this pyramid, it just simply shift the pressure onto outsider and make them the new bottoms out the system. So if any one outside refuse to be the bottom of US pyramid, US will crush it.
    That’s why many people want to immigrant to be US citizens. Bottom people want to go higher.
    That’s also why many other people have to continuously develop themselves so that they can not be crushed, can not be looted.
    Image the day US can not shift it internal pressures onto any other outsiders. Can’t provided nanny any more, but the internal looting continues. Will the US pyramid still be that stable? Will those idiot allows themselves been fooled without goodies? They were fed with all the lies of extreme individual freedom above any collective values and they get used to the so called human right that they can directly ignore basic human life to fulfill such rightness.

    US is so good at lies, that it not only fooled its own people. It also fooled many others in the world. But with the COVID-19, some truth unveiled itself.
    It will be so ironic that one day it’s proven that COVID-19 is US made/selected weapon in its own lab. Still doesn’t matter much, seems like. Most shameless people holding the biggest microphone. How can anything matter?
    It’s predictable US is going toward more rampant lies and its own people will be lured into some chaotic dead pool sealed with those lies.

    That’s why whenever I find some precious truth teller among Americans, I also loathe them.
    Doomed place can’t be waken by some truth telling. It’s too late. Just close the eyes and experience through it.
    Under such circumstance, the sober you get, the painful you feel. Why the heck trying to wake people up? More anesthetics in need.

    • Replies: @Alden
  36. @onebornfree

    “Commie/fascist”
    Lol
    This is the height of murrican intellectualism?

    • Replies: @Wielgus
  37. @obwandiyag

    That is vile. A Prada wearing witch citing the bible half heartedly for political points. Truly a satanic nation.

    • Replies: @WP
  38. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    they are angry that this is racial punishment that white people are taking out on all Asians.

    There are barely any White people in the United states. Negros bashing you on the subway doesn’t have anything to do with White people.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Tor597
  39. @SZ

    Cool it down with the anti-semitism there buddy. You hate Freedumb or something? Siding with those gooks/chinks against the great anti racists murrica?

  40. Lin says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    This site hates Jesus Christ so much that it’s willing to side with communist scum

    (Though I’m not surprised by such recycled BS)Look, Jesus, through his 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes or communal sharing and his ransacking of temple money changers(Wall street of those days) was a primeval communist.
    Karl Maxr was a prophet of the Judeo-Christian tradition.
    Was Karl Marx an atheist? What does it mean by ‘atheist’? If one believes in a higher ideal/calling beyond oneself, one is NOT an atheist, particularly Marxists long for the communist ‘paradise’.
    I’m no atheist because humans are tiny entity in the universe and there must be entities out there so powerful that we can’t fathom.You can call it God. The problem is such God is not necessarily benevolent to humans. The Tower of Babel episode, killing of the Egyptian first borns, genocide on Hebrew Golden Calf worshippers… are very good examples.

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  41. Anon[397] • Disclaimer says:

    @Hong Kong Freedom

    If you are a HKer, you should leave HK, go UK, immigrant right now! Go any other place and stop stay at Chinese land.
    Maybe not USA if you can’t afford some really good plastic surgery, your Asia face might invite some random beat in the States.
    CCP and her supporters will outlive you, outnumber you and continue to make your life miserable.
    Your white master can’t beat down CCP for you. Whom else you count for?
    Stop focus on China! Get started to treat yourself as if you are some white folks. Focus on your own life.
    This is a sincere suggestion for your health and good life.
    HK will be free from your idiot lunatic moron losers.

  42. @Anonymous

    Pretending the massive attack against Chinese people headed by your online goons doesn’t make the attack go away.
    -Chinese women are all sluts and race traitors
    -Chinese men impotent, small dick, etc.

    But Satan is always bound to fuck up, so these propaganda actually encompass all Asian instead.
    In Germany the retards learnt a lesson when they found out not all Asians are middle class roses from China/Korea or Japan.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  43. Geopolitical chess must not end in checkmate: then everyone loses. No one can claim victory: everyone suffers defeat.
    https://www.ghostsofhistory.wordpress.com/

  44. Cowboy says:

    This here site is a lot of fun it reminds me of being on the the trail and you kick over a rock and all kinds of maggots and other vermin are exposed to light and they all start screaming and scrambling and eventually they return to their dirt holes.

  45. Anonymous[141] • Disclaimer says:
    @HeebHunter

    your online goons

    Are you retarded? There are barely any White people in the United States at all. Practically zero. And not even in the “social construct” sense. They literally don’t exist. Maybe the CCP needs to start employing online agents who have actually set foot in the United States in the last 25 years. If you have a problem with something you perceive is coming from “the US”, take it up with the jews or negros.

  46. Biff says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Listen guys, if America had wanted to take over the whole planet, it would have been game over in 1946.

    Is this a Benny Hill skit?

    • LOL: bluedog
    • Replies: @Robert White
  47. @Anonymous

    Are you retarded? There are barely any White people in the United States at all. Practically zero.

    I know that your federal government classify Arabs and Northern African as white, but there is no need to be so upset that you think you are anywhere near the predicament of the Indian Tribes.
    😂😂😂

  48. @Cowboy

    Kinda like the Jewish/WASP bankers and those CIA scumbags, eh?

    By your analogy the US is the verminhide and the screw up with Iran is the light that shone upon you all.
    Tell your CIA handlers you can talk about Iran again now. We won’t laugh.
    Lol

  49. orionyx says:
    @SZ

    Well said!

    The freedom’ of the West is only a license to engage in perverse sexual practices. Don’t try to use it to express your opinions unless yours are those of the boob tube – you can lose your livelihood and all your ‘friends’. Don’t try to use it to read dissenting books – they’re all scrubbed even from archive.org. And above all, don’t ever criticize a Jew or a negro (especially a female one), or you can lose even your family.

    But the proof of the pudding is in the eating. In China I find millions of happy and contented, stable, intelligent, industrious, peaceable people. In the USA i don’t think I have encountered a dozen such. Who but an idiot would prefer the American way?

    • Replies: @Poco
  50. Biff says:
    @Cowboy

    What happened with Moa’s agrarian utopia?

    Sans the spelling error, the agrarian utopia produced the largest ethnically homogeneous population on the planet. Quite the achievement actually – nobody else comes close.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  51. @RichardTaylor

    LOL and the results would have looked like this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/his-head-wasnt-in-the-world-of-reality-how-the-plot-to-invade-venezuela-fell-apart

    Multi generational drug use has fried your country’s brains you have gone full retard and fittingly with an assclown for president.

  52. @Anonymous

    There are barely any White people in the United States at all. Practically zero.

    Such surreal idiocy on display here. WTF happened to UNZ.com

  53. orionyx says:
    @onebornfree

    You perfectly illustrate the words of Rousseau: “Man is born free, and everywhere he is in chains.”.

    Did you get shackled by CNN, or in school, or in shul? Hardly in shul, I would say: no self-respecting Jew would spew such bile in public.

  54. orionyx says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    And the relevance of your comment to the current discussion is … ?

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  55. Herald says:
    @Cowboy

    So glad you feel at home on Unz.

  56. 450.org says:

    The irony of Pompeo decrying China when the Trump admin has done everything it could do in the last three years to weaken America globally and strengthen China. Most recently, Trump carried water for the CCP by ordering underpaid and abused meat packing plant employees, slaves really working under appalling conditions in meat factories ravaged by the virus, back to work using the DPA. Smithfield is one of the affected companies whose interests Trump is protecting with his draconian and abusive, tyrannical communist-like use of the DPA. Smithfield, as it turns out, is owned by the CCP. Imagine that!! Trump is playing the communist enforcer for the CCP.

    As well, and fyi I am not and was never an advocate of Obama’s TPP, Trump completely dismantled Obama’s TPP project and completely reversed Obama’s China containment strategy. Without anything to replace that strategy, it created a power vacuum that is being filled by China as America flails globally under Trump’s misleadership.

    If Trump didn’t exist, the CCP would have to invent him. Trump has been great for China. Better than he has been for Russia and Israel and Saudi Arabia. Trump moved on America like a bitch. He has brought America to the precipice of collapse and pushed it into the chaotic abyss. He has strengthened China globally and ended America’s reign as the world’s sole superpower.

    Thanks to Trump, China is now the new sole global superpower and America is in full-on collapse and a ghost of its former self.

    • Replies: @450.org
  57. I see Pepe’s really firing up his collection of buzz-words and cliches this week. (He sure loves “game changer”.) Godfrey’s gonna need a change of underpants.

  58. That’s been the plan all along, silly Pepe. All with a little help from our “bestest” friends in the whole wide world.https://fitzinfo.net/talpiot/

    • Replies: @onebornfree
  59. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Eugene Norman

    “Hey onebornunfree, if you are so libertarian minded maybe spend your time opposing the US military industrial complex. Or the prison system. ”

    If you’d have bothered to check my comment history, or my blog site, instead of just immediately leaping to your idiotic assumption and subsequent idiotic conclusions from that idiotic assumption, then you’d already know that I have consistently been against both the military industrial complexes of ALL nations, and likewise the prison systems of ALL nations, dumbass.

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”or “improved”,simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    No regards, onebornfree

  60. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Johnny Walker Read

    “It’s Official! Benjamin Netanyahu Proposes Mark of The Beast, Calls For All Children To Be Microchipped First”

    https://www.newswars.com/its-official-benjamin-netanyahu-proposes-mark-of-the-beast-calls-for-all-children-to-be-microchipped-first/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  61. Alden says:
    @Anon

    It’s not $1,200 a month. It’s a $1,200 one time federal payment to adults who make less than about $80,000 a year.

    The other programs are the standard state unemployment compensation and various welfare for the indigent.

  62. Agent76 says:

    May 2, 2020 Coronavirus: Is China Getting Better?

    Is China recovering from the Coronavirus? The Chinese Communist Party is will hold two major political meetings, the Two Sessions, which had been postponed because of the coronavirus pandemic outbreak.

    Mar 6, 2020 Tucker: Extortion from China is the real threat

    China dominates the global market in pharmaceutical ingredients, they control American health care.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  63. Paul says:

    In the picture accompanying this story, there is something about that kid I just don’t trust.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  64. Z-man says:

    The lying bat eating Chinks must be made to pay for their crimes (they knew they had a nasty virus and still sent their infected rats all over the world).
    At a minimum the US should not pay 3-4 Trillions of debt to the Chinks. Merkel has already alluded to doing that in Europe.

    • Troll: d dan
  65. Amazing what can be done by a country that has a manufacturing base. We threw that away for the economy of and for the college graduate. Where Mr Escobar is making his mistake here is China will sooner or later be a world class evil. ( I’m guessing they already are. ) Its the natural nature of a powerful state to become rabid for more of everything.

  66. 450.org says:
    @450.org

    This truly is a world upside down where former communists have become consummate capitalists and former capitalists have become consummate communists. There is no better example than the relationship between China and Trump. Role reversal. A world upside down and inside out. Musical ideologies.

    What’s missing in this picture? That’s right, Nixon & Reagan & most especially Donald Trump are missing. It’s prudent to mentally fill them in as I have done.

    Trump’s motto is and should be MCCPGA, or Make The Chinese Communist Party Great Again. Better yet, how about MACA or Make America Communist Already.

    It appears Trump is a communist mole in orange face. He has done more for China than any POTUS since Nixon. Don’t fall for his fake oppositional stance towards China. It’s all optics. Behind the scenes, he’s a full-fledged member of the CCP.

    View post on imgur.com

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-meatpacking-an/as-us-meat-workers-fall-sick-and-supplies-dwindle-exports-to-china-soar-idUSKBN22N0IN

    U.S. President Donald Trump ordered meat processing plants to stay open to protect the nation’s food supply even as workers got sick and died. Yet the plants have increasingly been exporting to China while U.S. consumers face shortages, a Reuters analysis of government data showed.

    Trump, who is in an acrimonious public dispute with Beijing over its handling of the coronavirus outbreak, invoked the 1950 Defense Production Act on April 28 to keep plants open. Now he is facing criticism from some lawmakers, consumers and plant employees for putting workers at risk in part to help ensure China’s meat supply.

    • Replies: @SZ
    , @Anon
  67. BBC …

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52606774

    “Indian and Chinese troops ‘clash on border’ in Sikkim”

    Not so fast there, Pepé Le Pew! The fat lady hasn’t sung yet. We may just see WWIII yet. And the winner is USA. Hip Hip Hooray!

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  68. Z-man says:
    @Agent76

    Thanks Agent76, Tucker is Da Man!

  69. @vot tak

    And I have noticed your preoccupation with things anal, butt-meister. Get some help!

  70. Belt and road will take a decade at least to bear fruit.

    China and it’s investments need to survive the American onslaught for the next 10 years.

    See you guys in 10 for the results.

  71. @Realist

    Please, no excessive cyber fellating!

    • Replies: @Realist
  72. @Tor597

    Other than those dreamt up by Asian-American SJWs and (((journalists))), have there been any noteworthy attacks on Asians in the west over this?

    • Replies: @Tor597
  73. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    (((Jesus Christ)))

    The Romans weren’t lying when they called him “the king of the Jews”. His “teachings” have done more to harm Whites than a hundred Marx’ could have.

  74. Poco says:
    @orionyx

    The idiots from China who keep entering the US.

    • Replies: @Herald
  75. The situation with China kind of reminds me of one of those animated prequels to “The Matrix”. In the one I’m thinking of, the sentient robots, weary of the exploitation and oppression from humans, form their own nation, and in a short time they become the most powerful economy on earth. Rather than accept this new reality, the humans declare full on war against the machines. It does not end well for the humans.

  76. onebornfree says: • Website

    The Chinese system comes to America:

    “…In other news, the Chinese social credit system is coming to corporate America. (The Wall St. Journal has a relevant podcast, “Welcome Back to the Office, Your Every Move Will Be Watched.”) Huge companies are scrambling to put together packages to sell to other huge companies:

    Social distancing in offices, automatically monitored in real time; a caste system for employees based on health indicators; a credit score for each worker at the end of the day showing up on his cell phone; wall-to-wall surveillance…

    Not just for now. For the new “re-imagined” America after the lockdowns are relaxed.

    Unconstitutional, you say? Yes, there will be legal cases. This is called at-will employment. A corporation tells an employee: “You don’t want to submit to an antibody test? Or a vaccine? You don’t want to carry your cell around with you at work, so we can accomplish minute-to-minute contact tracing? You don’t want to wear a wrist band that measures social distancing? Fine. We understand. This is a free country. But you can’t work here anymore…”
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/11/the-chinese-system-comes-to-america/

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Agree: Johnny Walker Read
  77. WP says:
    @HeebHunter

    I noticed that none of the temple prostitute’s bible verses were from the New Testament.

  78. bluedog says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Hmm if I remember right they gamed that at the end of WW2 and even with the help of German prisoners they would have got their asses kicked, so they dropped that idea and never had the balls to revisit it.!!!

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  79. SZ says:
    @450.org

    This truly is a world upside down where former communists have become consummate capitalists and former capitalists have become consummate communists. There is no better example than the relationship between China and Trump. Role reversal. A world upside down and inside out.

    This is called the Dialectics of Nature. Nothing new. Same old, same old.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @RichardTaylor
  80. Anonymous[207] • Disclaimer says:
    @Paul

    You can bet Godfrey’s hot for him!

  81. Tor597 says:
    @Anonymous

    Not sure what you are trying to say as you have poor English skills. But that is false.

    It is only black people attacking Asians is just white propaganda trying to throw blame on black people. The majority of anti Asian media comes from white people.

    Here is a white guy throwing acid on an asian woman:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HopClear/status/1247320681349443584?s=20

    An extremely white city with a huge increase in Asian hate crimes.

    https://www.corvallisadvocate.com/2020/oregon-hate-crimes-rising-asian-americans-targeted/

    A white guy punching an asian woman.

    https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/asian-woman-punched-face-bus-stop-stranger-assault-vancouver-video-2325558

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  82. Tor597 says:
    @Johnny Smoggins

    I see the American propganda has worked on you.

    Here is an asian kid and family that got his head sliced open. He is not even Chinese by the way. He is Burmese.

    An asian woman gets acid dumped on her by a white guy.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/HopClear/status/1247320681349443584?s=20

    An extremely white city with a huge increase in Asian hate crimes.

    https://www.corvallisadvocate.com/2020/oregon-hate-crimes-rising-asian-americans-targeted/

    A white guy punching an asian woman.

    https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/vancouver-news/asian-woman-punched-face-bus-stop-stranger-assault-vancouver-video-2325558

  83. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    The cloud of suspicion over the Wuhan Virology Lab will always hang over China as long as there’s no investigation into the origin of coronavirus. China needs to open up and allow a German/EU led consortium of medical experts to come in and investigate the source of the outbreak. No country in the Five Eyes should be allowed in due to their bias and Jew led dishonesty, but Germans could be trusted as they are the most honest people in the world(as long as there is not a single Jew on the investigative team).

    A US/China complete decoupling is a good thing. The world could use an alternative to the JWO. China-Russia-Iran-EU could provide such an alternative, esp. now that Jew run UK is out of the EU.

    Apple announced today that they are moving 1/5 of the supply chain to India. They are about to find out why India is no China, the hard way. Those chest thumping bullshit artists of the East are even more corrupt and infinitely more incompetent than the Chinese. I expect the quality of iPhones to go down in the future. The whole idea of decoupling is to bring back manufacturing to the US, to help ourselves, not to move it to a different country just to hurt China while not even helping the US.

    Our multinationals should be booted out of the country with their treasonous policies, by moving all manufacturing to China while importing millions of Indians into the US to take over the high paying tech jobs. They headquarter in the US to take advantage of a rich and large customer base, a stable government, clean air, good financing mechanism and an easy to bribe government through lobbying, while sending all the benefit of jobs to foreigners. What a bunch of treasonous rats. In saner times all the tech plantation owners would be in jail for treason, along with the scummy deep state cabal in DC – Wall Street -MSM.

    • Agree: Black Picard
    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @denk
  84. Anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    Coronavirus exposes the economy of the West — that we are running a fake economy with over reliance on finance, services, retail, hospitality. All we do is consume, we produce nothing. Countries that rely on tourism the most are the most hurt by the virus: Italy, France, Spain. The service, retail and hospitality sectors are cratering, but as usual, finance is thriving thanks to the Fed’s unlimited money printing machine. When the economy is bad, the Fed prints a lot of money to help Wall Street. When the economy is good, the Fed prints more money to keep the stock market sky high.

    This house of cards economy will come crashing down when the world discovers that alternative to the JWO, and the dollar loses its reserve status. Instead of bringing back the wealth generating economy of manufacturing to the US, we are simply encouraging multinationals to move their manufacturing to other Asian countries to hurt China. As Milton Fucking Friedman told us, Profit is King. All that matters is Wall Street continues to make money in the immediate future, nothing else matters. Welcome to the JWO.

    • Agree: Black Picard
  85. Anonymous[889] • Disclaimer says:
    @SZ

    Is that anything like the Shart of Nature?

  86. @onebornfree

    Yet more pro China anti-freedom totalitarian commie/fascist propagandized drivel, when does it ever stop?

    Fair enough! But have you SEEN with your own eyes what the extremely brave Officer Greg Anderson of the Lake Stevens (WA) Police Department had to say about fellow cops just “following orders” and bringing tyranny on the American people?

    Sounds like he’s referring to a lot of bad apples who pretty much in an “anti-freedom” manner.
    I really don’t know why this video has not gone viral. But if the YouTube Thought Police bans it, let me know. I’ve downloaded it since it’s rare as hell to hear cops speak so candidly about tyranny, like this.

    This Cop DESTROYS “Tyrant Cops”

    “I want to remind you that regardless of where you stand on the coronavirus, we don’t have the authority to do those things to people just because a mayor or a governor tells you otherwise and I don’t care if it’s your sergeant or chief of police, we don’t get to violate people’s constitutional rights because somebody in our chain of command tells us otherwise…

    “We’re violating people’s rights and taking money from them or even worse, arresting them and depriving them of their freedom when they are exercising their constitutional rights!

    What are you, the Gestapo? Is this 1930s Nazi Germany?
    Our power as law enforcement officers is nothing more than a facade

    And once people figure that out, and they’ve been pushed too far and backed into corners with no option but to fight back, they will. And they will remember who took their rights and liberty and freedom from them, and it wasn’t the guy giving the commands. It was the guy who followed those orders. Cops are no less or no more of a human being than the rest of us are.

    “I’m afraid these actions are going to wake a sleeping giant, i.e., the American people.”

  87. Anonymous[211] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    Your first video doesn’t show anything at all. I’m supposed to take your word that the person is White, or even male and that the substance, if there was anything at all, was acid. Your second article doesn’t say anything either, other than “trust me bro”. I don’t think I’ll be taking the word of you or Ellen Rosenbaum on it. So you’ve got one punch at a bus stop.

    Again, if you’re having problems with negros beating you up on the subway — that’s your issue. You had your little coalition to dismantled the historic American nation, you did it, there are virtually no White people left in America outside of nursing homes. If you don’t like your experience in America 2.0 as an Asian male, you could always go back to China. Or at least r/asianmasculinity.

    • Troll: HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Tor597
    , @denk
    , @denk
  88. Z-man says:
    @d dan

    Go ‘fry’ a kite or even better and more apropos, without making fun of your pronunciation issues, LOL, go fry a bat.

  89. Miro23 says:
    @Anon

    Our multinationals should be booted out of the country with their treasonous policies, by moving all manufacturing to China while importing millions of Indians into the US to take over the high paying tech jobs. They headquarter in the US to take advantage of a rich and large customer base, a stable government, clean air, good financing mechanism and an easy to bribe government through lobbying, while sending all the benefit of jobs to foreigners. What a bunch of treasonous rats.

    This is pure Neo-liberalism. Put private interests/profits first (shareholders) and everyone supposedly benefits as the marketplace works it out – higher profits, lower costs and competitive products.

    And it’s true that this is happening on a global scale – world manufacturing is much cheaper and efficient than ever before with a massive supply of cheap consumer products.

    The problem is, that Western workers aren’t interested in promoting Chinese development. They lose their jobs, get inducted into the low paying service economy, are forced into debt and head towards minimum wage through mass immigration. And apart from that the corporate elite despise them and they get labelled “Deplorables”.

  90. @Parfois1

    I fully agree with everything you have stated and would add that Eisenhower warned our entire generation that this would happen via deep state apparatus. As one that was raised on National Revenue & resource taxation I am well aware of federal level bureaucracy and state apparatus.

    Empirically, we are bound by laws that politicians cannot spin or counter-spin. The Law of Diminishing Returns & Second Law of Thermodynamics cannot be avoided.

    Financial Entropy guides deep state play for position forward. Their behaviour is wholly predictable and also indication of their loss of position & power politically. USD is a spent fiat hegemon not unlike history’s Weimar Republic vis-a-vis repeatability of failed attempts to print oneself out of insolvency. The historiography is evidence enough to entirely demonopolize the arms of state in the bureaucracy that are operating outside of rational checks & balances.

    Eisenhower was quite emphatic that we needed to deal with this issue in our time.

    We could level the White House as in the War of 1912, but that would require British forces which are lost to history. Bottom line is that America’s time has past with USD guiding the handbasket-to-Hell insolvency through deflation of economic trade on a global scale.

    Wall Street sold out to the idea of third world manufacturing replacement of USA manufacturing when the brain trust of Wall Street moved large scale manufacturing offshore in the early 80s so that they would not have to pay workers a living wage. At the time they thought they were smart greedy bastards that were exceptionally gifted & financially bright. This is the era of the Greenspan Put & a time where Greenspan was lauded as ‘Maestro’ throughout finance.

    FBI, CIA, NSA, et al, are merely what General Smedley Butler characterized as financial thugs of the American Capitalist state. They are supposed to do the bidding of state only. The Federal Reserve is Eisenhower’s long sought after villain we have been looking for over time.

    The Federal Reserve Banking System is now wholeheartedly insolvent as of 2020. Are we to look surprised that the spinmeisters in the spin factory are tasked to step up their games?

    Corporate insolvency at the sovereign level is always a signpost to kinetic war & violent chaos brought about via the state in collective confusion over what to do.

    Germany had the Brown Shirts for WW2 and we have Steve Bannon’s Neoliberal fascist populists.

    America has become fascist Germany with requisite followers guided by historical hysteria jockeying for corruption so that power is enabled.

    America has enough rope to hang itself now IMHO.

    RW

    • Thanks: bluedog
    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @FB
  91. I check UNZ every day or 2 for the excellent articles, comments and to keep up with the pro Communist China tongue baths being given.
    Should have guess the boot stomping on a human face forever would be made in China.
    Methinks Truman should have let MacArthur deal with China back in 1951.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @bluedog
  92. I check UNZ every day or 2 for the excellent articles, comments and to keep up with the pro Communist China tongue baths being given. Pepe Escobar never fails to be at the front of the CCP bus.
    Should have guessed the boot stomping on a human face forever would be made in China.
    Methinks Truman should have let MacArthur deal with China back in 1951.

    • Agree: Z-man
  93. Herald says:
    @Poco

    The idiots from China who keep entering the US.

    The Idiots are clearly gathering together.

  94. @RichardTaylor

    Do you think that the military would have been able to oust the 5M+ battle hardened troops in East Europe who just destroyed 75% of the most powerful military in history so that the West could beat up on a defeated foe? The U.S. did not have many nukes at the time, and if they could have annihilated the USSR with nukes, they would have also destroyed the U.S. with radiation. Reality made the sensible people like Eisenhower to reject such plans, unlike the mediocre Hollywood General Patton.

    • Agree: Wielgus
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  95. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Working Serf

    Welcome to the alt-right psy-op.

  96. Wielgus says:
    @HeebHunter

    Apparently. How do you think Trump won an election?

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Alden
  97. Sean says:

    We shall see if China is popular in Russia after Covid-19 has done its worst there.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Tor597
  98. Babbage says:

    Belt and Road, yawn.
    US and China are in cold war. There will be a revival of TPP in Trump’s second term. A ring will be built around China. China and Russia will be on one internet standard while the rest of the world will be on another standard.
    In twenty years, China will be unrecognizable. Civilization moves forward because of innovation and freedom. Without freedom there can be no innovation. China will stagnate and cannibalize itself as it did during Tinnamen episode, cultural revolution, the great forward etc, etc. Never underestimate China’s paranoia and its ability to self destruct. All you need is to do nothing but isolate.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  99. bluedog says:
    @Working Serf

    He tried by going along with the free China group and the result was some 36,000, who came back in body bags,MacArthur was way past his prime and should have been sacked after WW2, but the media built him up into something he never was, and almost cost us two armies in the process.The only thing that saved our ass in Korea was when they made general Ridgeway commanding general of the forces in Korea cutting MacArthur out of the picture.!!!

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  100. bluedog says:
    @Sean

    Hmm I was wondering where the troll had gone, its good to see your still posting your propaganda again.!!!!

    • Replies: @Sean
  101. nsa says:

    Most of the comments here would be more accurate is the word “jew” was substituted for the word “chinese”. Germans manufacture and their output competes on the world stage. The sloppy Chinese manufacture and their output competes on the world stage. The Japanese manufacture and their output competes on the world stage. So what do they all have in common? Yup, they are all judenfrei.
    The USA and the UK manufacture very little with their output being mostly pathetic crap that no one wants. And what do the USA and UK have in common? Yup, a huge jew dominated financial sector producing goofy stuff like reverse mortgages, annuities, stock options, 10 year car loans, ETFs, etc etc. Take a look at the intricate mechanism of even a basic Fuji camera or the optics of even basic Nikon binoculars. Could the USA or the UK design and produce these items with their buzzed out drug addled work force? Even the lowly 1/4 watt resistor appears to be beyond the American skill set. Humble nsa owned a GM truck that was a pile of junk. Now own a Dodge truck that is quite good……the Italian Fiat engineers straightened out the design and assemble it in Mexico. Great truck…..100k miles with not the slightest problem. The GM truck was mile’d out at 100k…..every component on it was wore out. As long as Americans are saddled with a huge parasitic financial sector dominated by the clever jew, they will never be able to manufacture and compete on the world stage.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  102. Anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    You’re on the wrong site. Unz is the anti-Breitbart, anti-msm. You want 100% China bashing 24/7? Go to Breitbart or Zerohedge. In fact, Breitbart is no different from msm, just another Zionist mouthpiece, the only difference is they are much more openly pro-Israel, and pro-Trump because he’s Israel’s bitch.

    The only columnist worth reading on Breitbart is Neil Munro, who only writes about immigration.

    Zerohedge is just a sensationalist media whore that will print anything to get eyeballs.

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Robert White
  103. bluedog says:
    @Babbage

    Your right in twenty years it will be interesting to see where China is and also where we are ,for we may be nothing more than a regional power, which would be my guess .As far as TPP China surpassed us in 2013 if you had wished to paint a better picture you should have used GDP, where everything from the financial scam to the kitchen sink is thrown in, to try and convince the sheep that we still are number one.!!!!

  104. Anon[233] • Disclaimer says:

    The most successful export China’s had via its new Silk Road was Covid-19. Not a proud claim.

    China’s New Silk Road is going nowhere. The reason the old Silk Road faded away is because the European Medieval shipping trade really started churning along. No one was bothering to wait for China to send it trudging along via caravan, because they could get it faster themselves in their own ships. China’s real New Silk Road was–I emphasize was–actually east across the ocean to the US, and that looks like it’s fading as manufacturers shift their factories elsewhere.

    Secondly, China’s new ‘clients’ along the Silk Road it wants to forge to the its west are all dirt-poor. If you think you’re making money off the -stan countries, you’re kidding yourself. Most of the countries in the immediate neighborhood west of China have a crony capitalist economy that super-concentrates wealth in the hands of an elite rich, and leaves most of its people too poor to buy what China wants to sell. The only reason China has any middle class at all now is because they were selling good en masse to the USA, a huge, rich country. The -stans put together even with Iran cannot duplicate the buying power of the US.

    The Chinese really don’t get how capitalism works. It’s not a large number of people you want to sell to. It’s a large number of people with money to buy that you want to sell to. If China had tried to build up a middle-class economy selling goods to India during the 1970s-2020 period instead of the US, they would have gotten nowhere, and would still be poor as dirt themselves. You can only make money selling to a middle-class country, not a poor one.

  105. anon[200] • Disclaimer says:

    A few good things that could come out of this pandemic:

    1) The death of globalization, from a great reduction in international traveling to the return of essential manufacturing to US shores.

    2) The collapse of the Higher Ed Industrial Complex with its over reliance on foreign students, resulting in closures of many private colleges and/or the shuttering of worthless progressive initiatives currently funded by foreign student tuition dollars like anything related to diversity, LGBTQ, climate change.

    3) A reorientation of our economy from service, retail, hospitality, higher ed, finance and law to something real and concrete, like farming and manufacturing.

    4) A significant reduction in immigration. The restaurant and hospitality industries employ a large number of low-skilled immigrants, a significant slowdown in these industries will lower the need for illegal immigration. The tech industry employs a large number of high skilled immigrants, this pandemic could lead to more companies adopting a remote working model hence lowering the need to bring in immigrants to the US to do the work.

    5) Decongestion of our large coastal cities due to new remote working model. This would lower the power of these coastal cities and the ability for progressives to spread their toxic ideology through coercion.

  106. Pepe serves the Communists. Good work Pepe, have another shekel.

    China is nothing more than a slave labor camp. Shilling for slavery is so noble.
    Way to go Pepe.
    Burn in hell you POS.

    • Replies: @Alden
  107. @Johnny Smoggins

    It has turned a noble race into slaves of shysters…

    • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
  108. @bluedog

    I think he meant let the dead retarded general nuke China.

    This is why China should build n maintain 1000 nukes for world peace.

    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @FB
  109. @Anon

    Zero Hedge was once a legitimate website with legitimate Tyler(s) until the real Tyler sold out to ABC Media Inc. which is a CIA spinmeister shop run cyber-rag with bought & paid for hacks.

    I will still credit the Tyler(s) for their coverage of the Federal Reserve shenanigans since Lehman Moment.

    Tyler(s) are now tools & pawns of the USA Deep State, I agree.

    It’s truly sad indeed.

    RW

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  110. Madness, Madness, Madness.

    Russians are for Russia, Chinese are for China. What are Americans for?

    “We have met the enemy and he is us.”
    Pogo

    • Replies: @Rurik
  111. Hegar says:

    China’s top trading partner is the United States, 16.8% of exports.
    Japan and South Korea – allies of the West, not of China – are at 5.7% and 4.4%.
    Germany, 3.2%.
    The Netherlands, 3%.
    Britain, 2.5%.
    Taiwan – another Western ally – 2.2%.
    Australia, 1.9%.

    Of the top 15 trade partners, eight are Western or Western allies, for a total of 39.7%. I could go on.

    As for other major trading partners, like Singapore and Mexico, their relationship with the West is far more important than their relationship with China. And China, of course, can do nothing without the technology invented in the West. China can make improvements in degree for things like cellphones, but they don’t invent the cellphone.

    Luckily, China isn’t actually hegemonic, unlike the Soviet Union in its heyday. The Chinese remember when they were cut up by the Eight Powers, including Britain, France, Japan, Russia, the U.S. and more. Their goal is to stand proud, not to dominate the world, which they can’t do. So for example in Central Asia or Africa, they trade with whoever is in charge. They don’t care to change any governments. Actually, we could learn from them in that regard.

    That said, China steals Western businesses’ intellectual property. And they force businesses to place industries in China if they want to sell in China. Well, this is nationalist. Again, we could learn from them. But it is right to oppose this.

    Have a balanced view of China. They are nationalist. They don’t want world domination, only domination of what they consider their interest sphere, like the South China Sea. (It’s kind of in the name.) And they know they can’t survive without the West. Deal with them in in a straight way, with eyes open, and things will be fine.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  112. Sean says:
    @bluedog

    As a near neighbour of China, Russia has much more to fear from it than the US. America has not taken territory from China. Russia considers itself second only to the US as a world power. China’s rise humiliates and degrades Russia (also India).

    Deep down, people like you and Escobar think it will be very difficult for China to overtake America and make Russia irrelevant, but such is not the case.

  113. Again, the uncomfortable truth for those who will open their eyes to see and their ears to hear.
    The Chinese system comes to America – Jon Rappoport
    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/05/11/the-chinese-system-comes-to-america/

  114. Anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hegar

    That said, China steals Western businesses’ intellectual property. And they force businesses to place industries in China if they want to sell in China. Well, this is nationalist. Again, we could learn from them. But it is right to oppose this.

    If you send over the blueprints/plans/technical data package along with molds, tooling, whatever else and pay the Chinese to make it with means of production you don’t own, is it really IP theft if knock offs start rolling off the lines? Those requirements to place industry inside China with joint ownership are why China has an industrial base and the US doesn’t.

  115. eah says:

    I guess publishing Escobar here on unz.com satisfies some kind of ‘diversity’ requirement in the Godfree Roberts genre — otherwise I don’t see the point/value.

  116. @vot tak

    Once the public pensions are crushed and everyone is reliant on Social Security during retirement the USA will be just fine. The acceleration is so nice. Long live America, down with Gay China

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  117. Alden says:
    @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    Here is how I reason, think, make decisions.

    1. who benefits 2 the old French proverb; don’t listen to what he says, watch what he does.

    I read Godfree this Pepe and UNZ commenters saying that China is a the only paradise on earth

    But I see Chinese fleeing paradise for every country in earth but China. I see them becoming the majority in many California cities.

    So, if China is so great, why are thousands of Chinese fleeing China every day?

    Why are wealthy Chinese couples paying Chinese entrepreneurs living in America $40,000 to $80,000 to maintain maternity homes in America so the wealthy Chinese wives can pop out an anchor baby? History is full of military, traders business people missionaries refugees swarming into other countries.

    But the recent phenomenon of wealthy Chinese spending the equivalent of a middle class American years salary so the wives can have a US citizen baby is a historical first.

    And another thing about the Chinese entrepreneurs living in America who run the maternity homes. The $ 40/80,000 doesn’t pay the physicians, clinics and the hospitals for the births. It just pays room and board at the maternity homes, transportation to the clinics.

    These Chinese multi millionaire women use the free county clinics for the indigent to have the babies in either free county hospitals or use the medi caid program for the indigent.

    When I worked in medical records and billing at UCLA hospital, I saw the bills. medi caid paid the hospital for a normal birth and 24 hour stay after the birth. Medi caid paid the hospital $1,100. Private insurance companies paid the hospital $14,000 for a normal birth and 24 hour stay. Chinese name after name not citizens. And dozens of non American citizen Chinese woman a month using the same address when checking in to have their babies.

    Once again I ask Godfree Pepe etc, why are the most privileged Chinese woman giving birth to get the kid American citizenship and birth certificate if China is so wonderful?

    IChina advertising men SAY the Chinese are high IQ. China advertising men SAY China has built so much infrastructure. Universities are infra structure. But I SEE that because China doesn’t have enough colleges the Chinese geniuses flee China and come to America for college.

    Godfree SAYS China has the best pension system in the world. I SEE elderly Chinese fleeing China to arrive at American social security and welfare offices a week before their 65th birthday to sign up for every American SSI food stamp food bank free transportation and every possible senior benefit in America.

    I SEE young Chinese fleeing China for American colleges. I SEE multi millionaire Chinese women fleeing China to give birth at the American free county hospitals for the indigent. I SEE old Chinese fleeing China to take advantage of the American pensions and services to the elderly.

    I follow the old French proverb. I don’t listen to what Godfree and Pepe SAY. I SEE what the Chinese do.

    Whatever excuse they SAY, leaving your own country is fleeing.

  118. Rurik says:
    @Common sense Giuseppe

    Russians are for Russia, Chinese are for China. What are Americans for?

    Israel, duh.

    Here Israel’s orifice in the Senate confirms zion behind the US hostility towards China

    https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-10-tom-cotton-blames-china-coronavirus-spread.html

    Tom Cotton is sort of a reverse digestive tract. Sheldon Adelson and co. drive it up his backside so deep and far, that it comes plopping out of his mouth.

    If he says it, it’s only because they pushed it that far up, that it has to come out somewhere.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @Alden
  119. @bluedog

    Operation Unthinkable – Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable
    Operation Unthinkable was the name given to two related but unrealised plans by the Western Allies against the Soviet Union.The creation of these plans was ordered by British prime minister Winston Churchill in 1945 and developed by the British Armed Forces’ Joint Planning Staff at the end of World War II in Europe.. The first of the two assumed a surprise attack on the Soviet forces stationed …

    IIRC Churchill put this plan to his generals and they told him that they were not sure that their troops would agree to it. They were afraid it would provoke a mutiny. Even without this plan, and before the end of the war, the British ruling class was worried about how “Bolshy” the troops were becoming. Judging by how “well” the troops fought to put down their erstwhile allies in Greece they probably need not have worried.

  120. Alden says:
    @Wielgus

    I shall tell you why Trump won the election.

    Because we White American 75 IQ high school drop out unskilled indigent ignorant drunken drug addicted welfare slugs SAW through what the media SAID about Trump. We hillbilly raccoon eating meth addicted trash SAW that the hatred of Trump by the Jew media was , is just hatred of us White American deplorable proles.

    To the Jew media and all you barely middle class MEN OF UNZ hatred of Trump is just your hatred of Whites other than yourselves, just like jews academics media people and democrats.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @Patagonia Man
  121. Anon[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @450.org

    How this world would have looked if China didn’t become US ally in 1970s?
    Soviet possibly would have survived . China wouldn’t have allowed US to win in Afghanistan. Pakistan wouldn’t have become US and Saudi Arab’ bitch . Saudi possibly wouldn’t have been in total pocket of USA. Iran Iraq war would have played out differently with either not getting off the ground or Iran receiving help from China and Soviet. Anwar Sadat of Egypt wouldn’t possibly have not given up on getting the deal on Palestine from Israel.
    America and Europe wouldn’t possibly have merged into one financial house . Socialism doctrine would still have been staying on the manifesto of Italy Germany Britain and France . Labor in US would still be active . Democrats wouldn’t have ditched McGovern from its political stand for ever .

    Chinese opening to business is not isolated issue divested of broader Soviet China issue .

    It is also possible that Soviet collapse would have influenced Chinese collapse also together in 1991. But unlikely .

    Then today ,there would have been no Iran Syria Venezuela or Cuba.

    It is possible that wars against GWOT would not have happened because there wouldn’t have been any 1991 war and then no ME war and Iraq Iran Cuba still surviving along with new left gov in Latin America either prospering or coming into existence .

    S Africa still would have remained an apartheid with US keeping it alive .

  122. @Robert White

    ZH has been pretty bad on all of this, but the irony is they were running full-blown doom porn weeks before Ron decided to get in on the act, he’s really just following their lead. They’re anti-China, he’s pro-China, what’s the difference? Both want a heavy-handed state. (The same state they both claimed to be suspicious of three months ago.) At least ZH gives airtime to dissenting voices who are concerned about governments’ power grabs, this site is a carbon copy of the MSM in demonizing skeptics, cheerleading for social credit, etc.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Robert White
  123. @BrokenheartAmerican

    Once the public pensions are crushed and everyone is reliant on Social Security during retirement the USA will be just fine.

    I take it you mean a lot more people will be living in poverty. I have never understood why people think taking something away from your neighbour makes their lives better.

  124. @Alden

    So, if China is so great, why are thousands of Chinese fleeing China every day?

    The Chinese have been `fleeing`since the 1980s when the PRC made it clear Hong Kong was returning to their control. Today, the Chinese, including the ones from the mainland are less fleeing, and more colonizing. If they were fleeing, they wouldn`t be returning to visit so often.

  125. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Yes. The Florida Stalinists and perverts in Thailand (eg Saker and Godfrey Roberts) are themselves economic ignoramuses who can not grasp that the neoliberal order they claim to despise is the primary reason for China’s rise. When that system goes (and it will), so do China’s delusions of grandeur.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  126. @nsa

    Oy vey, bad goy. What is wrong with being indebted to your grave and your children inheriting the debt?
    Fucking gnotzee

  127. Alden says:
    @Tor597

    Vancouver is in Canada, not America. And it has the largest percentage of Chinese population of any city in Canada.

    • Replies: @Tor597
  128. @Alden

    And then the pandemic hits and they sabotage your jewish country immediately, lol

    I dont get why ameritards still think importing hostile foreign ethnics is “good” for them. They are truly stupid and brainwashed.
    More Chinese immigrate to Canada and Australia, I bet Australia and Canada are ectastic about it.

  129. Z-man says:
    @Rurik

    Tom Pickin’ Cotton has a special place waiting for him in hell.
    That Serpent next to him should be targeted.

  130. @Alden

    So did you see your kike loving president putting on more gun restriction and gifting even more money to pissrael?
    lol

    You are right, you truly are 75 IQ subhumans. Your kike loving pres has a whore for a wife, and ALL his children have married kikes, the two left are a drug addicted slut and a timid boy who will be marrying a kike too.

    Low IQ subhuman.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Poco
  131. @Robert White

    America has become fascist Germany with requisite followers guided by historical hysteria jockeying for corruption so that power is enabled.

    Right. Fascist Germany promoted open borders and low wages. They also lowered the standard of living of their population and ran up massive debt.
    The real fascists, whether Italian or German did more in five years to improve the lot of the masses, than the US has done in the last 50.
    “USURY is the cancer of the world, which only the surgeon’s knife of Fascism can cut out of the life of the nations.” ~ Ezra Pound
    “Adolf Hitler was a Jeanne d’Arc, a saint. He was a martyr. Like many martyrs, he held extreme views.” ~ Ezra Pound

    Pound was locked up, because he could not be allowed to tell people the truth.

    No political system is ideal, they all have flaws, including capitalism. Do not pretend that the USA today is fascist, usury rules. It is a commune that runs the banking system and Wall Street as well as owning the politicians.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  132. voicum says:
    @onebornfree

    You were born free , free of any neurons in your , pea sized , brain. There is no other way to explain your opinions.

  133. @Lin

    Heard it all before. Blaspheming the Lord. Calling Him a communist. Really dumb. Unless you know of a way to tear up a 10-dollar bill and have it become a thousand dollars. That’s what you’d have to do in order for your godless assertion to make any sense.

    Judeo-Christianity is not CHRISTIANITY.

    Your view of God is typical of the godless: Worldly. You have no understanding, because your soul is damned. We don’t judge Him; He judges us!

    Anything else, chief?

    • Replies: @Z-man
  134. @orionyx

    Because it’s a comment on the content of the article and on the godless Unz-ites who slobber over the CCP. Rejecting one form of evil (the United States government) doesn’t justify embracing another form it (China).

  135. Alden says:
    @Rurik

    I skim through the local Jewish journal often. It’s dumped with the other free community newspapers all over the neighborhood.
    For year’s it’s been extolling how much Chinese and Jews have in common. Jew man Chinese woman marriages are encouraged.

    I always assumed that the Jews are planning their next historical move. Destroy Poland, move to America and S Africa. Unite with the blacks to destroy America’s big cities. Destroy S Africa, move to Europe and America. Destroy America, move to China.

    As far as I know, jews have only been able to destroy White European Christian countries. S Africa was a Black Country ruled by European Christian Whites.

    Maybe the Jewish supremacists have finally discovered the Chinese aren’t willing to let the Jews do to China what they’ve done to other countries for the last 3,000 years. Or maybe jews realized it was only Whites whether N African, middle Eastern European or American that succumbed to Jewish conquest.

    Therefore, if the anti China move comes from Jews, it’s because Jews finally ran into a race capable of resisting them.

    I don’t SEE or read any anti China media or US government activity. What I SEE is endless excuses for this year’s China flu and blaming it on the American military Batmen flying around Wuhan in December.

  136. Anonymous[305] • Disclaimer says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Communists and capitalists alike need to constantly project everything onto non-existent fascists and national socialists in order to obfuscate that they and they alone, together in their postwar order, shaped the present world. They don’t want to own it.

    • Agree: Curmudgeon
  137. Cowboy says:
    @Biff

    Nah. Tricky Dicky and his jew handler were responsible by starting the process of turning chink rice farmers into factory rats. A few chinks finally figured out that a communist agrarian utopia would never work and so they sold their slaves to the highest bidders. The Homogeneity that you speak of is merely the symptom of a dull and flaccid population.
    p.s unz keeps putting me in timeout so I can only assume his underlying motive for this site is the promotion of the chink/slav coalition for the advancement of hegemonic collectivism (this is the guy that ran for public office as a libertarian? Talk about a psyop!)

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @antibeast
  138. @Johnny Smoggins

    You don’t understand His teachings. Godless people never do. His teachings and sacrifice are a blessing and ONLY a blessing. You will realize that when it is too late for your damned soul, and now you can’t say you weren’t warned.

  139. @Really No Shit

    It has turned a noble race into slaves of shysters…

    It’s actually a rejection of Christ that’s done that. Yes, people just like you are the ones responsible. Take ownership of your failure.

    • Replies: @Daemon
  140. @Biff

    Laugh-in not Benny Hill.

    RW

  141. Z-man says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Exactly. Judeo-Christian, an oxymoronic term probably coined at CCNY back in the 1940’s.

  142. Daemon says:
    @Alden

    When you view the world purely in terms of dichotomies, you end up missing the forest for the trees.
    If it is not X, then it must definitely be Y, there cannot be third explanation. Your idiotic search for the comforts of certainty blinds you to the fact there are more than 2 explanations for any phenomena.

    Let me ask you a very simple question, when a cup overflows with water, is the water “fleeing” the cup? This isnt a Zen riddle by the way.

    Likewise, when the citizens of a country bursting at the seams with people decides to migrate outwards to greener pasture, are they “fleeing” the country? Especially when they still retain familial and commercial links with it? Even when they periodically return?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Alden
  143. Daemon says:
    @Gleimhart Mantooso

    The man is dead lad, get over it.
    Take his lessons to heart and move on. It’s what he would have wanted.

  144. @Cowboy

    Go enlist with your fellow huwhites (arabs and north africans included per official US Census definition) and stage a land invasion to china, lol.
    Or join the female captains of the US navy and ram a few cruisers to Hong Kong.
    Maybe work with Jack (((Weinstein))) for that delicious nuke arsenal and start killing those slavs, lol

    You are truly a cattle.

    • Replies: @Daemon
  145. FB says: • Website
    @Robert White

    A good conversation here between yourself and Parf…

    I will just add that we are likely to see some interesting times in the coming weeks and months…right now we have seen the first leg of the capitalist fascist system collapse, with tens of millions now out of work…what happens to an economy where 70 percent of total output is from consumers consuming…?

    The oligarchs and bankster criminals that run this ‘system’ will surely realize that they need to put money in the pockets of the people if they want to save this thing…right now, as in the past, the helicopter money has always been sprayed at the wealthy and not the ordinary folks…we see that again with the massive six trillion in brand new corporate welfare…

    BUT…is this going to work…can it possibly work with 30 or perhaps forty or even fifty million people out of work…?

    Certainly not…this is not going to be your average capitalist ‘crisis’ where more wealth is transferred to the top and the machine keeps running…this time around that machine looks to be seizing up…

    It’ll be interesting to see what happens…my guess is that at some point, as things keep going south, that the vast amounts of private wealth that have been tucked away are going to have to come into play and start dropping helo money on the ordinary stiffs…

    • Replies: @Robert White
  146. Daemon says:
    @HeebHunter

    The ability of Americans to identify more with the interests of their ruling class at the expense of themselves and their children knows no bounds. They actually relish the chance to get into fights that they have absolutely no reason to be a part of, even to their own detriment.

    Americans truly make the greatest goyim, 100% mentally colonised.
    I feel sorry for their children.

    • Agree: Biff
  147. @Cowboy

    Neither Russia or China had to steal any prioritary property from the USA. Roosevelt and the small hats in his admin sent everyhting from the Manhatten Project secrets, to oil field expertise, factory machinery, gold, US dollars and the kitchen sink to Stalin’s Russia. See Major Jordan’s Diary if you don’t believe me, it’s available on line. If it wasn’t for the Jews on Wall Street sending tens of millions of USD the Bolshevik revolution would have died before 1925. As for China, well it came later, but it’s a similar story with the same cast of characters and their descendents selling the same goods stolen by the small hats here and sold to Communist China, N. Korea and even their enemy Iran. The USA, because of the neocons, is headed for a hard landing. There will be blood in the street.
    As a matter of fact that may be what’s behind Bill Gates’s odd blatherings about vaccines and ID2020. He’s acting like a cheap provocatuer. Is he banking on a few citizens here revolting, or maybe his minions will pull a false flag and shoot a few doctors and cops giving the gendarmes the
    green light for the forced confiscation of our weapons.
    Never forget the sons and grandson’s of Russian communist Jews are in control of the banks, the Think Tanks, the media etc. History shows their forefathers weren’t very nice people. The same folks who brought us 911 are behind this plandemic.

  148. Half-Jap says:

    The Chinese are as propagandized as the Americans are; they are both totalitarian systems, the former amateurishly obvious that even the natives know it, if not sense it, while the latter are mostly oblivious to the cunning con of a government.

    Escobar’s cheerleading comports with the efforts by the CCP to keep the masses from revolting, as they have in history; even though the BRI and such do have some benefits to the ones states being ensnared by hook or crook, its aim is apparently to keep the masses employed and rooted.

    Whenever I’ve visited China, it’s not been a bad experience, although it was clear people have abandoned touching upon politics or governance, until they are safely away overseas. In the US, people are free to discuss, yet either there is no impact on governance or they are clueless about even the most fundamental and perhaps most valuable about theirs, namely the Constitution, Federalist Papers, and other writings of the founders, as well as those that were against them.

    Escobar may tout the economic aspect as often and loudly as he wants, but I feel sad for that certain emptiness one feels when one is deprived of agency or liberty in thought. Even creativity seems hindered, although postmodernist decadence in the West is a depressing form of creativity I wouldn’t wish on the Chinese.

    • Agree: Daemon
    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  149. Fun says:
    @onebornfree

    Corporate America, the government, the media, and all the incorrigible Powers That Be exercise their God-given right to screw everyone else for short-term gain. But forget all that. It’ll go away if we wave our miniature flags harder. China, the country achieving unprecedented levels of wealth and prosperity, is the real problem.

  150. Sean says:
    @Daemon

    Likewise, when the citizens of a country bursting at the seams with people decides to migrate outwards to greener pasture, are they “fleeing” the country? Especially when they still retain familial and commercial links with it? Even when they periodically return?

    The citizenship by birth amendment was intended to formalise the position of blacks already in America. Not facilitate the immigration of Chinese freeloaders who never contributed. The number of elite Chinese who have already arrived in the US is making it impossible to integrate their children without dispossessing long established groups

    The second coronavirus epidemic out of China in 18 years has coincided with a growing body of opinion that the liberal globalisation experiment is becoming unsustainably one sided because, wittingly or not, China is exerting inexorable pressure on the West. Wherever spin you put on it, a consensus whereby something must be done to curb Chinese infiltration, Chinese destabilization and Chinese infection of Western society is now coalescing. And the Chinese will be free to decide the grass ain’t greener after all and go back to where they prudently ‘retain familial and commercial links’.

    • Agree: Brás Cubas
    • Replies: @Daemon
  151. Alister says:
    @onebornfree

    You are the perfect example of ignorance not being self aware…..

    • Replies: @Daemon
  152. @SZ

    None of that is true. America had a pure monopoly on nuclear weapons. We had just dropped two on Japan. If we had simply dropped a few more on Moscow, they would have submitted.

  153. @Charles Carroll

    Russia had lost millions of men and Stalin was a monster who didn’t really inspire much love.

    America had built about 300 nuclear bombs by the time the communists finally stole the design. We were making about one a week. So yeah, we could have just dropped them on Moscow and other places, month after month, until you did what we say.

    And we could have ramped up production if necessary.

    Quit living in la-la land.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @bluedog
  154. Daemon says:
    @Alister

    Whats terrifying is that there are tens of thousands like him out there.

  155. Daemon says:
    @Sean

    Although I fundamentally agree with your position, it is unfortunately not up to you or I on how to interpret your country’s immigration policies. It is also irrelevant as the powers that be have decided they want lower labor costs at all costs, so your beef with the chinese makes no sense (considering they only make up less than 5% of your population and this number is stabilizing) as even if you bar them from the country – they’ll simply be replaced by an unending horde of Pajeets instead. Corona or no corona.

    On the surface, it does appear that chinese political norms are seeping into your society, but you fail to appreciate that this is a wholly organic process. Your society is undergoing the natural death that all civilizations must go through. Intolerance of dissent when trying to avert this is as rational as it is futile. Now as for your claim that somehow the chinese are behind it, lets consider this:

    The people funding stricter censorship are not chinese.
    The people going behind your back implementing it are not chinese.
    The people owners of the MSM cheerleading it are not chinese.
    The desire for control over information is not a racial trait that is wholly exclusive to the chinese.

    Look inwards. The problem is with your elites. Picking fights with ‘mooslims’, ‘niggers’, and ‘chinks’ simply robs your people of valuable time and energy that could be put to better use and provides cover for those that rule over you. If you spent even a fraction of the time mass mobilizing and actually revolting in the name of your own interests, as you do using your firearms as masturbatory aids, you guys would not be in the middle of this mess as you are.

    Alas, what will be, will be. That goes for both of us.

    • Replies: @Sean
  156. Alden says:
    @HeebHunter

    Tiffany Trump whom you describe as a drug addled slut is just about to graduate from Georgetown law school, considered one of the top 13 law schools in the country. Difficult to do that when drug addled.

    And since the admissions committee and faculty of Georgetown law are commie Jew White hating liberals who freaked out with insane hatred when Trump was elected you can’t claim she was admitted on anything but high LSAT scores.

    Being White hetero means she is below jews blacks Hispanics Asians middle easterners gay men lesbians and trannies for law school admissions. The only applicant lower than a pretty blue eyed heterosexual White woman for college admissions is a heterosexual White man Being heterosexual White goyim means commie Jew White hating liberal college teachers make every effort to give heterosexual Whites lower grades.

    Israel? Every president since Kennedy has been a compradore and colonial administrator for Israel Trump is doing what American presidents do; administer this Israeli colony for Israel.

    Tiffany Trump has one serious boyfriend who is a White catholic of Portuguese descent.

    You can’t get one ugly wife. Trump got 3 beauties. You can’t afford to support one child. Trump supported 5. Trump got elected President if America. You never accomplished a thing in your life. Trump got elected president despite the opposition of every newspaper magazine and TV news and talk shows in the country.

    That’s why I like Trump. Every White hating liberal went insane with hatred when Trump won. You’re no different from the White hating liberals.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  157. Alden says:
    @Daemon

    Yes they are fleeing when multi millionaire women chose to pay $ 40-80,000 to have a baby in the free medical system for the indigent in a foreign country.

    Yes they are fleeing when the elderly flee the non pension system of China for the SSI poverty level United States pension for the indigent.

  158. Alden says:

    Look at that girly hat on the I guess it’s a guy or gay.

    It’s part of a drum majorette baton twirler uniform. Red mini dress that barely covers the hips, gold underpants that show because the skirts so short black boots with lots of red and gold braid and tassels light tan not black tights big logo on the front bodice to emphasize the bust.

    He doesn’t look like a soldier. He looks like a gay prostitute on Halloween or Mardi Gras .

    • LOL: Rurik
  159. Tor597 says:
    @Alden

    I brought up Canada because I am talking about white people in general, not just America since white people are acting the same everywhere.

  160. Tor597 says:
    @Anonymous

    Yeah, white people dindu nuffin wrong.

    White people love to play divide and conquer. But blaming blacks for all the violence isn’t going to work.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  161. Tor597 says:
    @Sean

    Typical Jew playing divide and conquer.

  162. antibeast says:
    @Cowboy

    Nah. Tricky Dicky and his jew handler were responsible by starting the process of turning chink rice farmers into factory rats. A few chinks finally figured out that a communist agrarian utopia would never work and so they sold their slaves to the highest bidders. The Homogeneity that you speak of is merely the symptom of a dull and flaccid population.

    That East Asians and Northern European Nordics are homogeneous is a function of their history, culture and geography not the “symptom of a dull and flaccid population” as you put it.

    Your description of East Asian Confucianist and Northern European Nordic Cultures as “hegemonic collectivism” is a false ideological construct which is a byproduct of Western liberal propaganda. Both East Asian Confucianist and Northern European Nordic societies emphasize community rights, social cohesion and national interests vs individual rights, social anarchy and selfish interests of neoliberal “dog-eat-dog” Capitalistic societies such as the USA.

    This is reflected in the provision of public goods/services such as high-speed rail in which East Asia leads the world as well as in national healthcare which is funded by the State in all East Asian and Nordic societies. This is also reflected in the global competitiveness of their manufacturing and technology industries which require industrial order, technical discipline and long-term investment, partnership and cooperation between the State, Society and Industry. The USA, in contrast, does not do well in public goods/services industries such as high-speed rail which does not exist in America. Nor does it do well in State-funded national healthcare which is non-existent for working-class families. The US public sector suffers from lack of national commitment which is why NASA had to source Russian-made rocket engines and space capsules to send US astronauts to the International Space Station because it didn’t have the budget to develop US-made versions. The US private sector is even worse with its obsessive focus on short-term profits which forces them to outsource almost everything under the sun: capital, manufacturing, technology and professional services to either foreign countries or foreign immigrants.

    • Agree: Biff, HeebHunter
    • Replies: @Cowboy
  163. @Anon

    Is the USA still a middle class country, though? And what is “money”? Printing toilet paper and calling it money does not make one rich and that’s basically the only thing the USA casino economy does these days — manufacture worthless IOUs.

    Besides, China’s Belt and Road doesn’t only go east into the -stan countries, there’s a marine route connecting South East Asia, Europe and Africa and another marine route going north of Russia. There are also routes to connect Latin America; and, yes, even plans to connect the ever backstabbing Five Eyes. In other words, the new Belt and Road is not nearly as simplistic as the old Silk Road, because the Chinese know we’re not living in ancient times when trade was dependent on camels.

  164. Daemon says:
    @Alden

    In those instances, I would say that they are simply ‘taking advantage of’, rather than ‘fleeing’.

    Let’s do a quick mental exercise, if you suddenly took away those ‘amenities’, would they stay?
    If the answer is ‘no’, then they’re not fleeing.

  165. @RichardTaylor

    Ooga booga me big stick, could should would have, ooga booga I love kosher semen

    That is how you look. Nuking countries like that then you can’t profit from them. Fallout wasn’t studied back then and total nuclear warfare was already seen retarded even by your yid masters.

    No successful Empire salted every city during their conquest. Especially not one “over and over again until you do what we say”.
    The fact that you can spew such retardation is probably why the Brits and your own women still regard you as subhuman and supbar compared to the sons of the dead naval empire.
    Frankly, I hold you below a stupid cockroach for saying such stupid things.

    • LOL: Biff, Daemon
    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  166. @Alden

    I truly understand now.
    The training and break in period are finally over.
    Amerimutts like you are now the best goyim.
    Lol ok. Hail (((trump))). Hail israel and its colony, murca.

    Just look at your posts lol 😂

    “We elected a dirty kike lover because we huwhites of murca (Arabs and North Africans included) know our place as the ass licking dogs of Pissrael. What do you foreign PEASANT know about such pleasure of working for satan’s CHOSEN people, whom the blood of Christ shall be upon FOREVER?”
    “The Chinks fleeing to murca will join us in destroy their filthy chinky brethen in China, whom they send money (and intel) back from Murca everyday!”

    Being an ami is about coping everyday.

  167. Realist says:
    @Really No Shit

    Please, no excessive cyber fellating!

    You have no concept of sarcasm.

    • Replies: @Really No Shit
  168. Cowboy says:
    @antibeast

    You are dull and flaccid where you from, china?

    • Replies: @antibeast
  169. antibeast says:
    @Cowboy

    That’s all you can say? Ad hominens are for kids.

    There are too many foreign multinationals, family-owned private enterprises and domestic capitalists which comprise half the GDP of “Communist China” to qualify as “hegemonic collectivist”. Try Germany Inc. or Corporate Japan to see “hegemonic collectivism” in action. The obverse of that is “anarchic individualism” which can be found in the USA.

  170. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    You had your little coalition to dismantled the historic American nation, you did it

    Right on.
    Here’r the evidences.

    1950 Korean war, bioweapons on civilians,
    1955, CIA/TW attempt at Zhou Enlai’s life
    1959 Tibet,
    1962 Indo./sino war,
    1965 [[[CIA/MI5]]] INdon genocide on ethnic Chinese.
    1989 TAM,
    1993, Yinhe hijack by USN, pirates at hight sea.
    https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/06/world/no-chemical-arms-aboard-china-ship.html
    1998 Indon pogrom , mass rapes on ethnic Chinese
    1999 BOmbing of Chinese embassy in ex Yugo,
    2001 Hainan spy plane, Chinese pilot died.
    2003 SARS1,
    2008 Tibet riots,
    2009 Xinjiang bloodbath,
    2013 Bird flu H7N9, Asia pivot
    2014 Xinjiang, HK, Mh370, bubonic plague, Ebola, Dengue,
    2018 bird flu, H7N9
    2019 HK, Xinjiang, swine flu, army worms,
    2020 SARS2, H5N1, locusts.

  171. antibeast says:
    @Alden

    Why are wealthy Chinese couples paying Chinese entrepreneurs living in America $40,000 to $80,000 to maintain maternity homes in America so the wealthy Chinese wives can pop out an anchor baby?

    Because Chinese couples are allowed to have only one child until a few years ago when the one-child policy was modified to a two-child policy. That would explain why rich Chinese couples who want to have another child need to have their second child born outside of China. And they took advantage of US law which grants birthright citizenship to have their second child born in the USA so they can have one child with US citizenship who can take care of their property or business investments in the USA. Other than contributing to the US economy (via the high fees they pay to maternity homes as well as the county hospitals where they pay full price as non-residents), why do you see this phenomenon as a negative fact?

  172. Lin says:
    @Anon

    The only reason China has any middle class at all now is because they were selling good en masse to the USA, a huge, rich country

    That’s an amusing statement. The Chinese gov stat bureau ‘defines’ a middle class family as one that can afford 1)Automobile 2)Vacation 3)to acquire decent housing. About 140 million Chinese families are ‘middle class’.
    China/US respectively produced 27.8 million/11.3 millions motor vehicles in 2018
    China produced in 2019 more than half of world’s steel.
    China produced more cement in 3 years than US 20th century total according to Bill Gates.
    China built 35000 km of high speed rails.
    Chinese electricity generation per capita is only about 40% of that of US but exceeds those of UK and Italy.
    And you told me that that all had to do with ‘selling good en masse to USA’?
    Honestly I love your comic comment.

  173. @Realist

    Now I get it … sorry for the delay!

  174. denk says:
    @Anon

    The cloud of suspicion over the Wuhan Virology Lab will always hang over China as long as there’s no investigation into the origin of coronavirus

    .

    Uncle sham is a positive thinker, he saw in every dark cloud a silver lining…

    Obama

    ‘Ebola is our opportunity to kick the chicoms outta mah Africa’

    ‘The Haiti quake offers opportunities to re-shape its long-dysfunctional government and economy as well as to improve the public image of the United States in the region

    Condi Rice on the Asian tsunami

    ‘a wonderful opportunity to show not just the US government, but the heart of the American people… And I think it has paid great dividends for us

    Bush , post 911

    ‘Thru my tears, I see an opportunity….’

    The rest is history.

    BY now, everybody have heard about Wilbur Ross’s infamous gloating over Wuhan…

    This is a wonderful business opportunity, to re-set the supply chain and de-couple from the chicoms !

    Tip of an iceberg/

    Opportunities abound , for those who think positive.

  175. Poco says:
    @HeebHunter

    She is correct about why Trump was elected. What he is, is one thing. Why he was elected is another thing.

  176. denk says:
    @Anon

    The most successful export China’s had via its new Silk Road was Covid-19. Not a proud claim.

    To paraphrase Carlin…

    murikkans cant produce a toaster worth shit, their only exports are bombs, B.S. and virus.

    Here lies the difference…

    I can back up every statement with a smoking gun.
    While your ilks are simply making unsubstantiated accusations, exactly like your dear leaders.

    I try hard to differentiate bet yanks and those serial lying psychopaths in the Washington cesspool, really do.
    What a let down !
    very disappointing.

  177. Learner says:

    I read on Al-Monitor today that China is about to win the bidding of a large desalination plant in Israel. Pompeo demands Israel to exclude China from the bidding but Israel doesn’t give a f..k about Pompeo’s demands. The Chinese simply have the most advanced desalination technology. The Chinese would also operate the plant for the next 25 years. A nightmare for the USA.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  178. @Half-Jap

    Gotta ask, what do you think of the Japanese govt? What are the major differences about it compare to American or the Chinese govts? Is it better?

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  179. @FB

    Green Finance Revolution via Mark Carney’s United Nations ‘Climate Science’ Bank is the controlling Finance leg & architecture that is backstopping the global rollout of the Machine Language era of an Internet of All Things Communications Network. 5-G Technology rollout is AI control system backed by all governments on forward guidance from the Intel arm of state.

    2019 REPO shenanigans was Lehman Moment 08 unresolved to further haunt the USD dark pool derivatives universe which is currently basking in QE-4 Infinity. NIRP & ZIRP is now merely a tired old Wizard of Oz hiding behind a curtain hoping that the Tin Man, Cowardly Lion, Dorothy, & Scare Crow are falling for the fundamentals, lies, God damned lies, & Statistics so that Mark Carney, UN, & Wall Street corporatists like Amazon & Google Inc. can reap the whirlwind financially off of the Great Unwashed Masses that are being forced to buy into it without choice.

    Quantitative decoupling of all markets is intentional in so far as the SARS-2-nCoV-19 is an intentionally released bioweaponized nCoronavirus which is weapon of choice for Central Ineptitude Agency thugsters n’ goons.

    Electronic Money rollout & Blockchain Technology is part of the 5-G Communications Banking Network which is the modus operandi bolstering the latest western banking G-7 & G-20 Davos Inc. plans of Neofeudal control.

    Helicopter drops of cash on populations has to be expected now that the corporate sector & banking sector has conveniently been bailed out yet again by the Federal Reserve private banking Oligopoly. Moreover, don’t forget that this is the second time the banks have been bailed out in the last 12 years whilst Mom & Pop plus Great Unwashed Masses got a lump of coal in their collective Christmas stockings YoY.

    RW

  180. @Beefcake the Mighty

    ZH only includes dissenting voices that align & agree with their CIA Psyop backed protocol for article inclusion. ZH claimed early on to be heterodox Economics, but upon closer examination they are wholly orthodox Neoclassical Neanderthals n’ knuckle-draggers.

    The absolutely hate Karl Marx too.

    RW

  181. Anonymous[180] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tor597

    You got BTFO, so just own it. You posted a bunch of unverifiable garbage that didn’t back up your point at all. Again, you don’t like your experience in America 2.0 as an Asian male, whose fault is that? You got what you wanted, but apparently it’s not what you wanted.

  182. @Alden

    There is also the point that probably, (I have no experience of being rich enough to have a baby in a US hospital) if you are rich enough, living in the USA is more comfortable than living in China. If you are rich and want to become stinking rich, it may be easier in the USA than in China. Pepe and Godfree are more concerned with the lives of ordinary working stiffs. For the OWSs of China life is getting better and has been since 1949. China, like every other country, is not one undifferentiated mass of Chinese. No, it is divided into classes and people of different aspirations and ambitions and different degrees of curiosity, different heritage and experiences and so on. That 1 or 2% (It is that small a proportion.) want to emigrate is not surprising, particularly as it is not a new phenomenon, it has been happening for centuries and people in China (particularly in the eastern provinces) quite often have relatives long settled abroad.

    • Thanks: FB
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  183. @Anonymous

    the neoliberal order they claim to despise is the primary reason for China’s rise. When that system goes (and it will), so do China’s delusions of grandeur.

    I don’t follow your reasoning, come to that, I think it is based on a false premise. The primary reason for China’s rise is that they have had a government which is working to “Make China Great Again”, they have worked extremely hard and they have invested a large part of what they earned in their own country, in their own infrastructure.
    Now let’s suppose that the USA collapses in some sort of anarchy that means that it neither imports from China nor exports to China, what will that do to China? Clearly it would cause a lot of disruption and a lot f headaches for the Chinese government but the trade with the US is only a small part of their external trade and that in turn is small compared to their internal trade. They have shown that they can deal with sudden emergencies and I have no doubt they could deal with such a one and take it in their stride.

  184. FB says: • Website
    @Alden

    There’s some major problems with your bedtime story…you say you worked in the records dept of a hospital and saw the bills, plus Chinese names…or what you assume to be Chinese names…

    Given your general level of retardation, where you previously argued that smallpox was eradicated in the early 1800s…that it’s only transmissible by blood…and that there never were 100,000 Plains Indians…all of this so completely wrong that I can’t even imagine a non-retarded 12 year old saying that…

    But let’s assume you are not quite as retarded as the above indicates, and can in fact tell a Chinese name from say a Korean or other Southeast Asian…but you would have no way of telling the nationality of that Chinese person…

    They could be from Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Indonesia…even Jamaica…they could even be US born for all you could tell by looking at those billing records…

    Clearly you have absolutely no idea how the world that you live in actually works…like most profoundly retarded individuals, you simply float through life completely unawares of your surroundinlgs, and completely oblivious to learning…

    And from this you conclude the most ridiculous kinds of things that even Forrest Gump would be able to think through with a lot more clarity…

    In other words your silly little anecdote about seeing hospital records with presumably Chinese names means diddly squat…the only way to know how life is in China is to actually live there…or at least visit…so spare us your ‘special ‘ ed level nonsense…

    • Agree: bluedog
  185. @Learner

    The heeb masters are discarding their useless whores and goyim, as expected.

    Ass lickers don’ have a say in anything, as it should be, as it is just

  186. bluedog says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Couldn’t agree more the anti-China retards can’t even begin to understand that it was our own government who’s controlled by the business/banking sector, that gave all those jobs to China, but yet rather then put the blame on those they elect they put it on China.

    Much of the cheap junk they whine about are made for some American company, and made to their spec.’s with profit being the main driver.Now we have a fool in the oval office, he whines bluster and tomorrow and forgot’s what it was all about, saying something different.!!

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Poco
  187. bluedog says:
    @Cowboy

    Shucks and all this time I thought you ate them,get yourself a rattlesnake and chop it up fine and mix in all those things you kick out and you’ll have a trail end dinner.!!!

    • LOL: FB
  188. bluedog says:
    @Cowboy

    Shucks and all this time I thought you ate them,get yourself a rattlesnake and chop it up fine and mix in all those things you kick out and you’ll have a trail end dinner.!!!

  189. Meena says:
    @Anon

    Does this f**ing country get any decent internet in any decent city or in any suburban place ? Above all does this freaking country’s government or visible media offer any information on most important issues like Israel stealing million of masks or US green Beret is locked up by some Venezuelan guy over the charges of attempts at coup of a country that this country is technically war with ?

    This freaking country cant supply basic protections to those who want to come to work even after 4 month of community spread of Covid -19 . Its there any public service of worth mentioning ?

    This is rich country and has been for a long time. This country country still follows the same tradition of fate – gettin g exploited by a few at the tope just like those Spanish and British elite did one time .

  190. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @foolisholdman

    “ Pepe and Godfree are more concerned with the lives of ordinary working stiffs.“

    This site has really attained peak retard.

  191. FB says: • Website
    @Astuteobservor II

    This is why China should build n maintain 1000 nukes for world peace.

    Scott Ritter agrees with you…the former UN arms inspector, Marine Corps aviator and very solid guy writes just that in an oped in RT today…

  192. FB says: • Website
    @bluedog

    Well said bluedog…

  193. But is Chinese IQ for real?

    • Replies: @Biff
    , @denk
  194. Biff says:
    @Priss Factor

    And do you know why Helen Keller was bad driver?

  195. denk says:
    @Priss Factor

    Indian feeding cow dung to their whitey cousins again ?
    I dont even bother to watch that vid LOL.

    I do know muricans have gone full retard tho,
    here’s the proof.
    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/21/pew-research-more-than-9-in-10-americans-call-chinas-power-a-threat-to-u-s/

    UNlike the muriccans , I always back up my claim.

  196. @HeebHunter

    Yeah that was just a stream of juvenile insults. As far as “kosher”, it was that crowd that generally supported the USSR and communism and you should know that.

    That’s how the USSR got the nuclear secrets.

    So while Russians are a great people, communism and Stalin absolutely sucked. A few atom bombs and that clown would have put on a dress in public for us.

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
  197. denk says:

    Certificate Of Vaccination ID

    HR6666

    Four horsemen…
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1236255/Coronavirus-latest-four-horsemen-coaches-british-flight

    [[[ the self appointed master of universe]]] keep mocking at you, while you keep barking up the wrong tree…..

    whitey are such HIQ,

    hehehehhe

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/04/21/pew-research-more-than-9-in-10-americans-call-chinas-power-a-threat-to-u-s/

  198. Sean says:
    @Daemon

    Your society is undergoing the natural death that all civilizations must go through.

    It is certainly a decline as things have been judged up until now, but you have to descend into the valley to begin to climb to the new higher peak. There is a re-set going on in the West, we have that flexibility because of our system.

    On the surface, it does appear that chinese political norms are seeping into your society, but you fail to appreciate that this is a wholly organic process. Your society is undergoing the natural death that all civilizations must go through. Intolerance of dissent when trying to avert this is as rational as it is futile.

    There is dissension within the countries of the West and many of the AltRight and AltLiberal persuasion think the US the focus of evil in the world today, but that is merely a corollary of the Western way in which the decisions are taken with input from far more standpoints and by a higher proportion of the population than other systems of government. The vastly greater complexity and integration of Western society means it can make changes without losing the old functions and in that sense it is most robust to challenges that require internal reorganisation.

    Now as for your claim that somehow the Chinese are behind it, lets consider this:

    Consider first that I said no such thing as there was a covert Chinese strategy behind it, and in fact I explicitly stated that whether the Chinese plot or are completely innocent of any clandestine machinations can make no difference, because the mere existence of China exerts myriad pressures on the West that are deleterious to it.

  199. Chinaman says:
    @SZ

    Bravo. There is still hope to prevent hostilities between the two countries if more Americans hold a dispassionate and balanced perspective on China. China and America don’t need to be friends nor they need to be enemies. They just need to give each other space and leave the other alone….which America have failed to do.

  200. @RichardTaylor

    Fuck communism, fuck (((capitalism))), fuck the kikes and their cattle (You), mmmkay?

    • Troll: RichardTaylor
  201. Chinaman says:
    @Hong Kong Freedom

    What does HK freedom means if my kids are being denied their right and freedom to attend school because of the HK protest?

    What do HK even need democracy if protestors can just throw Molotov cocktails and douse kerosene on a person and set him on fire if he holds different political views.

    Here in HK, democracy have brought out the worst of human nature and prove that the people deserve their government and how they are policed.

    Have you ever considered the protestors are actually doing the CCP a great favour since Yue majority will embrace the CCP out of fear and to restore order?

  202. bluedog says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Another of the exceptional tribe has spoken,at the end of WW2 we only had the two dropped on Japan they said by Oct. they MAY have had 7,now I suppose the Russian army which the Brits had gamed, and said that they ALL were battle harden troops, which out numbered the allies in Europe with what was regarded as the best tank in the war which was the T–34, were going to rush back to Moscow and sit and wait to be nuked weeks down the road.

    Now a sane man without any rose color glasses would say that at the first attack by any allied force, would see the Russian army rolling out of Berlin thru France like corn thru a goose trapping half or more of the allied army at the channel just like the Germans did to the Brits.Then across the channel where Churchill would be hung from Big Ben and Queenies would be singing in Russian.When people don’t have any idea of what they are talking about,well they shouldn’t,stick with the G.I. Joe comics which will take you back into your fantasy land where no one gets hurt.!!!!!

    • Replies: @RichardTaylor
  203. Richard B says:
    @onebornfree

    Yet more pro China anti-freedom totalitarian commie/fascist propagandized drivel, when does it ever stop ?

    Absolutely!

    No one who writes something that ingratiating can have any integrity at all.

    Marxists are simply demented.

  204. Richard B says:
    @Daemon

    Boomer shame is so 2016. Get a life.

    And why would anyone who doesn’t like Marxists go a neocon rag like Breitbart?

    • Replies: @Daemon
  205. Richard B says:
    @Ilya G Poimandres

    There you go – you don’t believe in freedom, just your version of utopia, and hope for the force to make all others submit to it.

    No. If you believe in freedom you don’t believe in forcing anyone to submit.

    The people who believe in submission are exactly the ones who don’t believe in freedom.

    You’re so full of yourself you can’t see how idiotically self-refuting your comment is.

  206. Poco says:
    @bluedog

    I know how we can fix things in the US! We can praise the Chinese government! All the moaning about the cucks licking Israel balls just know if they lick Chinese balls instead it’ll all be alright. Piss on ’em. Including the stinking banking/business sector of the entire earth.
    Clowns read just like Israel supporters. Maybe a chinese will give you a pat on the head if they run things like the jews do Trump. Do you think you might have some interests of your own that isn’t tied to the benevelence of the chinese or jews? Stand up on your hind legs! SHEEEEIT!

  207. Half-Jap says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Thanks for asking lol. I think it sucks, but don’t we all share this opinion about governments in general?

    We’re over-taxed, over-regulated, etc. At least it is limited in how far it can go in being a police state like China or the US, by our constitution. For example, the current ‘lockdown’ here is purely voluntary, and shops and parks are still busy (outside the downtown areas, probably because many of us work from home nowadays). They police are friendly and helpful, even when guys are falling-down drunk. They have nothing better to do besides that or riding their bicycles on sunny days, or w/e.

    The JP gov tends to follow the US, either by hook, crook, threats, or simple idiocy such as the Plaza Accord and subsequent neo-liberal economic policies that never seems to do much to get us out of the ‘forever recession.’ Whereas there may have been a supply-side problem in the past, now policies favor large financial institutions and corporations, while SMEs and most people aren’t making much and are indebted, hence low demand/consumption overall. Japan remains one of the worst countries to start a business, even worse than Malaysia lol. The gov here seems to believe that more tax on consumption is the solution, so there we have it.

    The electoral structure more or less ensures that one party, the so-called Liberal Democrats, remains in power, leaving little incentive to do be responsive to the people. The opposition parties are full of clowns that it almost seems like they aren’t even trying to win, ever. And the last time they did, Fukushima happened, while not much worth mentioning happened policy-wise. China has the advantage of having a dictatorial system (although internally deliberative) that allows for faster policy decisions and implementation, with some more power to regional governments, allowing for risk-taking (and epic corruptions and failures, too), which never happens here. Nothing much happens here. Even the corruption here is nothing worth mentioning because it is so petty or small in scale. The American system of legal bribes and off-the-record activities, on the other hand, is awe-inspiring.

    The media parrots the US MSM garbage, so those who don’t read only believe what the US is pushing, while those that do, have great access to alternative or contrary views. Many of us still consider facts, and how to sort things out, rather important.

    And so on, etc. I definitely do not and will not put my gov on a pedestal.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  208. @bluedog

    America had FOUR years of an absolute nuclear monopoly. We had almost 300 by 1950. Either Stalin would do what we said or every last thing he had would be vaporized.

    It wouldn’t be a matter of “battle hardened Russians” rolling westward against supposed weaklings. They’d be annihilated from the air. See Hiroshima.

    But we had no interest in doing so.

  209. denk says:

    I know how we can fix things in the US! We can praise the Chinese government!

    kiddo,

    The best way to garner votes is to ‘get tough on China’, every prez knew it, thats why your man trump is doing right now.

    The fastest way to rise up in the Washington cesspool is to smear China, every fucking moron like Pompass knows it.

    The sure fire way to get into the hall of fame in journo is to slander China, every Fox, Reuter, CNN, GUardian intern knows it.

    So,
    Have you been under some rock all these years ??

    • Agree: bluedog, Patagonia Man
    • Replies: @bluedog
    , @Patagonia Man
  210. Wielgus says:

    Meanwhile, this would once have been a huge news item but in a world in which Covid blocks everything else out it gets lost…
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/13/fbi-mistakenly-reveals-saudi-diplomat-suspected-of-aiding-9-11-terrorists/

    • Replies: @denk
  211. @Half-Jap

    Thanks for answering so thoroughly. It is very interesting to read opinions from anons like you.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  212. Daemon says:
    @Richard B

    Because the two share audiences 95% of the time. Types like onebornfoolish, given the chance would have no problem sacrificing the sons and daughters of his fellow countrymen if it will rid the world of problematic (to him) countries by force. His spiel about defending freedom falls flat on his face when you realise the only freedom he’s defending is his own very narrow definition of it.

    If you can keep your neocohen-ery to a minimum, I dont have a problem with you.

    And no, boomer shaming is eternal.

    • Troll: Richard B
  213. denk says:
    @Wielgus

    hmmm…

    An [[[fbi]]] ‘leak’ that bolster the ‘Saudi connection.’ meme.

  214. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve shown how FUKUS has been trying to ‘dismantle’ the Chinese state since ww2, in fact it could be traced back to the eight nations alliance days if we wanna go that far.

    Now tell us what the FUCK do you mean by this….

    You had your little coalition to dismantled the historic American nation, you did it,

    Dont leave us in suspense.

    whiteys are such HIQ,
    hehehhehe

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  215. Wielgus says:
    @RichardTaylor

    By 1950 the USSR had perhaps 18-20. Far outnumbered but the USA no longer had a total monopoly and lacking it, may have thought better of entering a nuclear war when it was not the only nuclear power. To paraphrase General Burpelson in Dr Strangelove, they might have got their hair mussed. The Rosenbergs were executed as a reprisal for helping to deny the USA a total nuclear monopoly.

  216. bluedog says:
    @RichardTaylor

    Your a joke for if they had nuked the Russian army (which they couldn’t have) it would also have got the allied army. and if they had nuked the Russian cites it would have been of little use, for Russia is a vast vast country they would have left the cities for the countryside, meaning it would of had little to no effect on Russia at all.You shouldn’t try to game things out of those G.I. Joe comics for they aren’t real or didn’t you know that,and its a long span between 1945 and 1950 when we were headed into Korea.!!!

  217. bluedog says:
    @denk

    Yep he has! Even if its laid out in large block letters they don’t understand when someone has you by the balls you don’t really want someone to squeeze them, as Trump got his squeezed during the so called trade deal while he was pissing in the wind and telling his supporters that it was only raining, much like the virus when he was braying the only thing he knows how to do fake news ,fake news go back to work you sissies its only the flu,the only thing fake is Trump himself,!!1

    • Replies: @denk
  218. denk says:
    @bluedog

    Im still scratching my head,

    How did HIQ whiteys manage to ‘elect’ 45 CON-artist to mind the store.

    When things go wrong, they blame everything on ‘those gawd damned chicoms ‘ !

    hehehheheh

  219. Anonymous[233] • Disclaimer says:
    @Realist

    He’s black.

    What’s your excuse?

  220. Half-Jap says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Gladly any time.
    This article’s picture reminds me of the blindly nationalistic days here back then. If this was 4chan, I’d start this with ‘pic unrelated’ as military discipline and cohesion is the weakest aspect of China, since forever. Despite the cheerleading, it isn’t so great (the F-35 and other US hardware likewise are garbage ofc). Or, emphasis on China as a wannabe imperial power in the age of neo-liberalism. Not that China is slow on this point, as they indebt and ensnare countries under the BRI.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @denk
  221. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Half-Jap

    Careful, this kind of reasonable attitude is only going to engage the Team China nut-huggers here.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  222. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Whoops, meant enrage, not engage.

  223. FvS says:
    @SZ

    China is just another pawn in the Jew World Order.

    [MORE]

    • Replies: @denk
  224. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @denk

    There are hardly any White people left in the US. I’m sorry that it didn’t quite work out the way you thought it would. We’ll suffer together, it looks like.

    • Replies: @denk
  225. denk says:
    @Half-Jap

    China as a wannabe imperial power

    Barking up the wrong tree again,
    halfjap san, ?

    http://english.ryukyushimpo.jp/special-feature-okinawa-holds-mass-protest-rally-against-us-base/

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  226. denk says:
    @Anonymous

    Do us a favor.

    Get a moniker, so I’d skip your posts in future.

    P.S.
    UNZ should ban anon posting,
    so we know whom to skip.

    For example, I never waste time reading Sean the troll., tip of an iceberg.

  227. Lol says:

    Europe is only paralyzed because it’s still ruled by moronic American vassals. If that will end, Europe will know how to make America and China vie for our support. Lol

  228. Half-Jap says:
    @denk

    I have been clear in the past about Okinawa, and they should be independent if not only to get the Americans out or be more reasonable.

    Anyways, China is working towards pre-eminence, beyond its past pattern of being the beneficiary of tributary states, though, and as how the Chinese are, will push as much as they can get away with without the subtleties the US and related entitles have employed to look good.

    • Replies: @denk
  229. denk says:
    @Half-Jap

    I have been clear in the past about Okinawa, and they should be independent if not only to get the Americans out or be more reasonable.

    Action speaks louder than words.

    You aint opposing US imperialism,
    you’r abetting it.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/30/japa-d30.html

  230. Anonymous[798] • Disclaimer says:
    @RichardTaylor

    It was not so simple. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were dropped in wartime, a war America did not start.
    If we had started a war and tried to annihilate the Russian race, the world would not have stood by.

    Here’s what I mean: Russian, British, French and even German, Japanese and Italian scientists and engineers would have collaborated on a crash program of nuclear armament, because the Americans would be seen as genocidal f*cks needing to be countered.

    IMHO, anyone going on a rampage as to drop one atomic bomb per week, in a war they started, will give rise to an alliance called “the rest of the human race”.

    They wouldn’t take 4 years to make their own nukes, they might take 1 year with all those smart people of all those smart cultures working all together.

    Then the world ends as America drops bombs on the whole world, while the whole world drops bombs on America. That’s why it didn’t happen – some thinking, smart Americans vetoed the whole idea as being completely stupid.

  231. Seraphim says:
    @RichardTaylor

    How would have they delivered the bombs? America still didn’t have ICBM. Would the Superduperfortresses have passed through the Soviet air defenses?

    • Replies: @FB
  232. FB says: • Website
    @Seraphim

    Of course not…

    This goof is just hallucinating on his super duper mushrooms…just like on the Saker thread, where this silliness has already been put to rest…

    Just let him have his silly little dream…he wants to see Uncle Joe doing a tap dance…only he doesn’t realize the tap dance would have been on his stupid head… 😹😹😹

  233. @obwandiyag

    Those people are not authentic… They use the bible to make money. Don’t blame the bible for their behavior. In fact – the bible is clear quarantines can work… That was long before the microscope existed.

  234. @SZ

    Yours is one of the best comments I’ve read on this site. You made so many good points that I will just touch on one. But yes a lot of it has to do with Confucianism. Mainland China got away from it when they tried to apply Marxism. Thankfully for them – they realize it didn’t work. So now they call it “Socialism with Chinese Characteristics”. One of the main tenets of Confucianism is honoring the family elders. Even in Singapore (which is mainly ethnically Chinese) – you get tax breaks if you live near your parents. The idea being that it’s families closer together is better for society overall. But within that framework – obeying government authority. Funny enough – western society is supposedly built on biblical values. Well the bible says those should be features of society. So there is an obvious disconnect.
    But in any event – your whole comment was great.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @FB
  235. @RichardTaylor

    Ummm… Remind me why the UN – World Bank – and IMF were located in the US again… Remind me how there got to be so many US bases all over the world…

  236. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Mainland China got away from it when they tried to apply Marxism. Thankfully for them – they realize it didn’t work.

    Well…it’s good, I guess, to hear from one of the below-average-intelligence members of the Chinese race…

    I will just point to a real intellectual, professor Dongping Han, who actually knows what he’s talking about…

    The Socialist Legacy Underlies the Rise of Today’s China in the World

    A tremendous and information filled summary of China’s recent history and how socialism is in fact both the foundation, and the very essence of modern China’s success…

    I have to wonder what your connection to the People’s Republic actually is, if any…or are you one of those silly Taiwanese or other diaspora Chinese that have had their brains gurgled with ridiculous capitalist indoctrination…?

    In the western system of ‘international law’, our world in practice is little more than a jungle. The powerful can do whatever they please and the weak have to put up with the actions of the powerful in order to survive.

    That’s exactly why we are so f*cked up, while Chinese people are well on their way to a very bright future…

    It is quite imbecilic to literally erase the very ethos that is guiding China along this path of success…the SOCIALIST ethos, which defines every single aspect of Chinese governance and economy…

    Quite simply everything is done with the welfare of ordinary people as the number one goal…and the CCP goes to incredible technical measures to achieve this…nothing is left to chance…everything is impeccably planned, architected and studied, and the organizational structure is thus continuously refined and evolved in order to deliver the results…

    It is a massive technocratic machine that is incredibly competent at literally building a modern nation and building REAL prosperity for the people…

    The entire concept of such a system of governance is completely socialist…Confucianism is what China had for the previous two centuries as it continued to backslide…this is in fact not a system of governance at all, but rather a quasi-religious philosophy, with of course some rather good insights, as with any philosophic school…

    The fact is that China applied Marxism under Mao, who rescued the country and built its foundations, the foundations upon which the modern success has been built…

    Another fact is that a lot of what came with the succeeding generation of Deng and gang has not been very good at all…the rural population has not really gone forward at all, compared to the leaps and bounds of the Mao era, and there is in fact a lot of dissatisfaction, even today…as Han and others document…

    Fortunately Xi is now swinging the pendulum back towards a much more just and righteous way and correcting a lot of the rot brought in by Deng and gang…

    China has not abandoned Marxism in any way shape or form…the fact is that they are continuing to perfect the system…

    Marx did not give birth to a fully formed model and recipe that could just be applied to any country more than a century later…what he has contributed are some deep insights into the psychology of economic interactions among those with power, and those without power…

    Your statement is ridiculous…as I have come to expect from you…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  237. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    I should have added professor Han’s closing remarks to the tremendous essay I linked to…

    Deng Xiaoping’s reform was bound to fail because, from very beginning, his policy was aimed at allowing a small minority of people to get rich first.

    When this small minority happened to be his own children, other high officials’ children, and officials themselves, people became resentful. But the Government refuses to respond to people’s resentment, and continues to insist that the reform was good and sound.

    Of course, the reform was good and sound for them, because they and their families profited from it. But the ordinary people, who are the overwhelming majority, have lost in the bargain, and they will continue to resent their losses.

    Their resentment will accumulate and some day the resentment will explode, which is one of the reasons that the rich and powerful are leaving China.

    Any reform that only benefits the minority will not succeed, and will only lead to self destruction in the end, even if it appears to be going well in the beginning.

    What is the way ahead for China? A return to socialism is the only way out.

    This essay from 2014, and it is as if president Xi has read this and is applying it, since he is exactly moving in this correct direction…[much to the dismay of the parasites in the west, which is of course why he is being made into the new demon…]

    Also worth noting is that Deng and gang have done everything they can to trample the titanic legacy of The Great Helmsman…they have even teamed with the western liars and parasites to promote the lies about a supposed famine in the late 1950s, which never actually happened…again professor Han not only lived through that, but spent many years as an American-based historian traveling back to China to research that…

    Also worth noting is prof Han’s tremendous book on the Cultural Revolution…

    The Unknown Cultural Revolution: Life and Change in a Chinese Village

  238. @Gleimhart Mantooso

    Ahhhh – heed the words of Jesus of Nazareth (really it’s Yeshua ben Yosef what He was called). No good in trying to condemn others when a country is in rebellion against God in itself.

    21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’…

  239. @onebornfree

    People who use “mark of the beast” often have no clue of the attributes. One is controlling money and it’s access…
    Well what nation currently tries to dictate to the world who can buy and sell and trade with who…? Netanyahu doesn’t have that power. Washington DC sure tries though.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  240. @Really No Shit

    Yeah and while that was going on isn’t it ironic that Nepal lodged a complaint against India for India building a road on it’s territory…?? They spent more time covering a fist fight. The MSM is the pits.

  241. @Alden

    Do you have any clue how small of a percentage of the millionaires leave China?? Obviously not. Same with the idea of college students. There are about 300k in the US and 500k overseas in total. Do you have any clue how many millions of college students are in China?? But in a way they both relate. Some of the rich Chinese are still of the opinion that a US education on their childrens resume ensures a better job – back in China… I know it seems like there are so many Chinese in the US… But then when you realize one out of every 5.5 humans on the planet is a Chinese – then you realize it’s not as many in the US as you think.

  242. Anonymous[156] • Disclaimer says:
    @showmethereal

    Ca-ching!

  243. @FB

    Talk to the average Chinese on the street and see if they think they live in a Marxist country. It is true that most actually respect the CCP and are grateful to it… But do most of them subscribe to the idea that the country is a Marxist one…??? Sure there is some in there… But PRC China in 2020 owes it’s transformation in the last 40 years more to Singapore than to Karl Marx. Do you know how many CCP officials went to Singapore to study and learn how to build a modern Sino-centric society…??
    But no – the government hasn’t completely abandoned Marxism. Did you not read where I said they label it “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”???
    Tellingly – the PRC exports Confucious Institutes around the world now – but not Chinese Marxism institutes. Within the country Zen Buddhism and Daoism are “promoted” as inherent to Chinese culture. “Tomb sweeping” (honoring the ancestors) as become an important cultural event again.
    To paraphrase Deng’s famous quote – it doesn’t matter if the cat is black or white as long as it catches mice. His response was to the idea that China was straying from it’s revolutionary ideas.
    Mao was good at unifying China and making it strong enough to beat back imperialism… No one can possibly deny that. But Mao and his way wasn’t going to catapult China.

    I actually agree with many of your comments… But it appears you are too dogmatic. I will go half way with you. The attempts by Xi and the CCP to reform rural life is indeed admirable. It is also very Marxist in its ideals. But the cities are far more Lee Kwan Yew. The majority of China lives in cities now – and that percentage is increasing.

  244. FB says: • Website

    Well…I see once again that it is pointless to talk to you…

    You never answered my question about your nationality, but it seems to be Singaporean…and if this is the case, then I don’t consider your opinion on the PRC to carry much weight at all…

    As for asking people on the street in China about Marxism or any other intellectual discussion…well, that is about the same as asking any other ‘man on the street’ anywhere in the world…mostly you are going to be lucky to get one person in a hundred who knows anything more than the time of day and the name of the street you’re on…

    Your argument about the Singaporean ‘model’ is quite ridiculous…if it had not been for the HUGE ADVANCES of the Mao era, China would have had no hope of advancing as it has in the last four decades…it would be another India…

    In any case Singapore is in many ways a socialist country at its core…

    I consider Deng a scumbag for the most part…and many Chinese do too…the corruption that he enabled still haunts the country and is still a challenge for Xi, who is fortunately a man of great capacity and is doing the right things to bring China back on course…although much remains to be done…

    It’s obvious to me that you are hung up on labels like ‘Marxism’ and you are also laboring under some Pavlovian indoctrination from the west…but at least you recognize about half of the truth…when you wake up to the idea that capitalism in any form is a disease and a means for a tiny elite to enslave an entire people, then you will have made some progress…

    Right now we are living in an age of plenty…or it could be plenty for ALL if only it were not for the disease of capitalism…that is what is so tragic…

    • Agree: bluedog
    • Replies: @Vidi
    , @showmethereal
  245. vox4non says:

    The Chinese in China I have spoken to, are by and large apolitical and pragmatic. They give not a whit what name the government rules under so long as they have a chance to get ahead in life and their diktats are not onerous. Moreover, the present style of government isn’t too far off from their traditional form of absolute monarchy. The CPC has shrewdly behaved like the mandarins of old, where the civil goods are provided but with no challenge to the political system. So, they have simply reverted to the system where the mandate of heaven is given (implicitly) so long as “all is peaceful under the heavens”.

    Of course there is still much to lament like the loss of old China customs and courtesies (as seen in Taiwan and SEA), the injustices to address from the CPC’s rule but given how quickly they have come in over a generation, I don’t think they are in any hurry to adopt any current form of western governance yet. Furthermore, rather than making them question their government, the current vitriol from the MSM and unenlightened bigots only serve to make them rally around the flag, as most of the usual suspects are once again in for round 2.

  246. @Alden

    Has anyone ever told you that you have a persecution complex?

  247. @vox4non

    I always find it strange how anons think Chinese or their govt would ever want to adopt any form of western govt. Look at the US govt, at the European ones. Why would they want to adopt failures?

    Eric x li had a Ted talk in 2012. one sentence summed up the Chinese govt’s attitude towards “democracy”. “fool me once(referring to communism), fool me twice(referring to democracy)”.

    And that was when Asian pivot began.

  248. Vidi says:
    @FB

    Well said.

    As for showmethereal’s remark about Chinese officials going to Singapore to study, my answer is that China studies everything. A zillion trials are going on, simultaneously, right now in Xi Jinping’s land. For example, one might ask what kinds of energy generation will be tried in China? The answer is, just about every kind. China will be studying them all, and will use the ones that work.

    • Agree: FB
    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  249. @Vidi

    So you are pretending Chinese officials didnt go to Singapore specifially to learn more than anywhere else…??? I am not talking private citizens who chose a university abroad to go tomand went back to China. I am talking about the government specifically sending thousands of officials to go learn directly from another government.
    Aside from that — Are you glossing over the fact that there are 4 direct government to government programs between Singapore and China that don’t exist with any other group…?? Chongqing Connectivity Initiative – Guangzhou Knowledge City – Tianjin Eco City – Suzhou Industrial Park (the original). That is not to mention all the direct initiatives between Shanghai and Singapore which are far too numerous to list. Shenzen even last year announced they will be intiating new government housing stock based on what worked in Singapore (versus Hong Kong). Funny enough most westerners would call Singapore’s housing policy “socialism”.
    Singapore is also the major offshore linchpin for Xi’s Belt and Road.
    Of course China learns from everyone – but to claim they dont learn from Singapore the most goes against the facts. Of course they cant replicate everything – as Deng told Lee Kwan Yew – he wishez he only had Shanghai to deal with because his job would be much easier. China is urbanizing more and more. In that regard – Singapore is the closest model…. Not New York – not Moscow – not London – – not Munich – not even Hong Kong.
    Do you even know who China patterened and got the idea for its Sovereign Wealth Funds..??? I will give you two guesses.
    Oh on Xi’s anti corruption drive…. Great move. Do you know which governments are listed among the LEAST corrupt in the world..? I will give you another two guesses.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Vidi
  250. @vox4non

    Agreed. Though in the generation under 40 you are starting to see courtesies returning. In fact there are many now who have rejuvenated the Han style of clothing. Look it up.. You will find ig pleasantly surprising. Same with banning wild animals in the wet markets. It is now banned and it is partly because of the voices of the young. The government is now taking online comments about which animals should be legal to be raised as livestock as well. Again because of the younger generation – Shenzen has banned dog meat.
    The young indeed are apolotical. They have little ideology (whether marxism or democracy). They care about results.

  251. @denk

    “The best way to garner votes is to ‘get tough on China’, every prez knew it, thats why your man trump is doing right now.”

    In Trump’s own words – note the date!

    20 MAY 2019, Donald Trump says China won’t overtake US economy under his watch

    “President Donald Trump said he was “very happy” with the trade war and that China wouldn’t become the world’s top superpower under his watch.”

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/donald-trump-says-china-wont-overtake-us-economy-under-his-watch/articleshow/69418379.cms

    … and from China’s POV?

    “There are some foreigners from better off countries that have nothing better to do than point fingers at our affairs.
    China does not, first, export revolution.
    Second, it does not export poverty and hunger.
    Third, it does not cause trouble for you.
    What else do you have to criticise us about?”

    Xi Jinping President of China, in Mexico 2009

  252. antibeast says:
    @Alden

    Yes they are fleeing when multi millionaire women chose to pay $ 40-80,000 to have a baby in the free medical system for the indigent in a foreign country.

    Chinese couples were allowed only one child until recently which changed to two children. If they want more than one (or two) children, it makes sense for them to have another child born outside China who could take care of their overseas property and business investments after they’re retired.

    Yes they are fleeing when the elderly flee the non pension system of China for the SSI poverty level United States pension for the indigent.

    China has its own State-funded national healthcare and social security system which serves almost the entire population. The US population of Chinese immigrants living off US government-paid welfare is so small as to be statistically insignificant for making any kind of conclusions.

    By the way, the USA does not have its own State-funded national healthcare system despite having Medicare (for old people) and Medicaid (for poor people). Working-class families (immigrants or native-born) or their employers have to buy their own private health insurance. Since most Chinese immigrants are self-employed as entrepreneurs in their family-owned businesses, they and their employees end up having to buy their own private health insurance for their families.

    • Agree: showmethereal
  253. FB says: • Website
    @Showmethereal

    My hallmate in freshman year of college was the son of the Chinese ambassador to Singapore…we became very good friends and have kept in touch over the years…

    You know diddly…

    Also your Pavlovian responses about capitalist ideology are totally laughable…

    China going to ‘school’ in Singapore…?

    You need to get some perspective, shrimp…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  254. Vidi says:
    @Showmethereal

    So you are pretending Chinese officials didnt go to Singapore specifially to learn more than anywhere else…???

    China learned from everywhere. Singapore was a teacher, yes, but it wasn’t the most important. For example, China’s industrial policy is more like Japan’s and Korea’s than Singapore’s — and that alone is vastly more important than a few special links and the idea of Sovereign Wealth Funds.

    And China had some ideas by itself. Perhaps you think there are no smart people in a population of 1.4 billion?

    I am talking about the government specifically sending thousands of officials to go learn directly from another government.

    Do you have any proof that China sent “thousands” of officials to Singapore to study?

    Singapore is also the major offshore linchpin for Xi’s Belt and Road.

    Singapore is an important hub in BRI but it by no means is vital (as in make or break for the entire project). As I see it, if some disconnects occur (like Singapore defecting), the Belt and Road is designed in such a way that it will be very successful overall.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  255. @FB

    So your hall-mate that you claim was son of the Chinese ambassador to Singapore knows none of this then???? Wow! That is embarrassing for them.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325401306_China_and_the_Singapore_Model_Perspectives_from_Mid-level_Cadres_and_Implications_for_Transnational_Knowledge_Transfer

    • Replies: @FB
  256. @Vidi

    “Few special links”??? Yeah only links in China’s most important cities which power the country… Ok…

    “Singapore was a teacher, yes, but it wasn’t the most important. For example, China’s industrial policy is more like Japan’s and Korea’s than Singapore’s”
    How do you quantitatively measure that statement??? Aside from the fact that Japan and South Korea are bigger – your comment rings hollow when you look at the structure of the large companies that run industry in Japan and South Korea. Japan was indeed the first to industrialize… Indeed all industrialized nations and regions (such as Taiwan) share a similar trajectory in industrialization as Japan… But there are differences… Also – did mainland China learn it’s policy directly from Japan??? No… Unless you mean to trace back Japan’s colonization of China – which led industrialists to learn from Japan then. After China’s reforms – it was mainly Hong Kong – Taiwan – Singapore and SEA ethnic Chinese who went and set up industry. Japan and South Korea went in after. There is no Samsung in Mainland China…. Nor is there a Mitsubishi. If you understand the structure of those conglomerates then you would know what I mean.

    But in any event – the original argument that you budged in to was whether China is still Marxist or more Confucianist in it’s “Socialism with Chinese characteristics”. You bring up two countries which are absolutely NOT Marxist countries – but have Confucian bases to them – with their own local adaptations. To me that is very ironic.

    You asked for “proof”… Well start here. As I said – measure quantitatively and tell me how many government officials of the PRC in comparison went directly to Japan and South Korea to learn governance. The only comparison is when they used to go to Moscow in the days of Mao (though the Nationalists also sent many to learn from Moscow – Berlin – Tokyo).
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325401306_China_and_the_Singapore_Model_Perspectives_from_Mid-level_Cadres_and_Implications_for_Transnational_Knowledge_Transfer

    • Replies: @Vidi
  257. @FB

    You should reply directly. What on earth does nationality have to do with anything? I could tell you Bulgaria or Chile and you would have no clue if I was telling you the truth.

    Well I can assure you have no hang ups about labels. I also cannot tell you that I read every piece of work that Marx wrote either. But I do remember a Sociology class I took where the professor was a big fan of his – and made us read some of his works. I got an A in that class thank you – even though I disagreed with the professor. Humans at a base level are driven by ambition – and even selfishness. Urban China and Rural China are very different. But even in rural China – while Xi has refocused efforts on uplifting the rural population – the land reforms definitely have still moved away from state control. China of course maintains state control – but still pushes for entrepreneurial spirit in the rural populations. Urban China today has very little Marxism in it.

    Singapore is a “democracy” – but has been run by 1 party for decades. It has low taxes – but has national housing – national healthcare – and national retirement. But it differs from most socialism in that it taps personal incentive and doesn’t expect companies to fit the bill for everything. Personal responsibility is very big in Singapore. Singapore while being a “democracy” heavily censors political content. It doesn’t allow much dissent. It has strict moral laws. Nothing liberal about it. If it didn’t allow US and NATO troops to use it when they pass through the area – the western liberal media would accuse it of being a totalitarian state. Just like it does the PRC. My point is Singapore is not a cookie cutter state that can easily fit into any category. Same with the PRC. But to say that China hasn’t deliberately sough to temper rabid Marxism as existed in the days of Mao and to “rejuvenate the Chinese nation” by going back to Confucian and other inherent Chinese philosophies would be dishonest. The Chinese government has even paid to restore many many places that were destroyed in the Cultural Revolution. To say that for decades now that China hasn’t deliberately sought to emulate a fellow majority ethnic Chinese society of Singapore is also dishonest. I sent a link to a study of that on your other comment.

    That is not to say that the CCP doesn’t still promote Marxism.. They do. On the anniversary of his 200th birthday they even sent a statute of Marx to his hometown. It was a joke because the town didn’t want it – and except for people in 5 Eyes countries – nobody really believes China is Marxist anymore – in deed and practice.

    As to whether the average person on the street knows the state of their country – I think Chinese understand it well. They understand very well. Here what some say about “democracy”.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  258. Vidi says:
    @showmethereal

    I see, you just want to argue and waste everyone’s time. Fine. I will respond, then you can talk to yourself from now on.

    “Few special links”??? Yeah only links in China’s most important cities which power the country… Ok…

    You said that Shanghai was one of the Chinese cities with links to Singapore. According to the World Shipping Council (link), Shanghai has the largest container shipping port in the world. So the city has links to lots of places. I doubt Singapore ranks very high.

    “Singapore was a teacher, yes, but it wasn’t the most important. For example, China’s industrial policy is more like Japan’s and Korea’s than Singapore’s”
    How do you quantitatively measure that statement???

    Why should I be quantitative when you weren’t? Remember, you started the Singapore side issue.

    You asked for “proof”… Well start here. As I said – measure quantitatively and tell me how many government officials of the PRC in comparison went directly to Japan and South Korea to learn governance. The only comparison is when they used to go to Moscow in the days of Mao (though the Nationalists also sent many to learn from Moscow – Berlin – Tokyo).
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/325401306_China_and_the_Singapore_Model_Perspectives_from_Mid-level_Cadres_and_Implications_for_Transnational_Knowledge_Transfer

    Congratulations for finding that link. But you realize, don’t you, that the Chinese Communist Party has 90 million members? Back then, maybe only 50 million. Even with the lower count, a few thousand CCP members going to Singapore each year is nothing. (The article’s abstract says “tens of thousands of cadres to Singapore for executive training and graduate education” over 30 years, meaning a few thousand per year.)

    Compare that with the 400,000 students studying in the U.S. each year, the 200,000 going to Australia, or even the 120,000 going to Britain (link). A few thousand per year in Singapore is nothing.

    I don’t think you understand the scale of China. Perhaps you are used to thinking in terms of Singapore’s tiny size.

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  259. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    I was in college in the early 1980s moron…

    And I don’t make up imaginary people…

    Leonard was indeed the longtime ambassador’s son and he told me a lot about his life in Singapore…although the things we were mostly interested in back then had a pair of long legs and spoke in a high voice…☺

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  260. @Vidi

    Again you prove you have no clue what you are talking about… You are talking about college students and I am talking about DIRECT government to government learning. Did you even read the “proof” you asked for?? No – because you are too arrogant admit you were wrong.
    Saying there are tens of millions of CCP members again makes NO SENSE. Do all registered Democrats and Republicans go on to run anything??? NO! They go vote and hold up posters at rallies. Again we are talking SUBSTANCE. Government OFFICIALS – not just party members.
    You also have no clue how high Singapore’s ports rank. Only surpassed by Chinese ports – after China went and learned from Singapore what to do…. To the chagrin of Hong Kong. Little Singapore still ranks very high and is bound for a further boost as ANOTHER DIRECT government to government initiative is to link Chongqing to Singapore – which ultimately links Singapore with Central Asia and Europe – and links landlocked western China to Singapore to get things to the outside world which is faster than going to Shanghai.
    https://www.ichongqing.info/2018/08/02/china-singapore-chongqing-demonstration-initiative-on-strategic-connectivity/

    And you claim I wasn’t being quantitative – which is nonsense because that is exactly what I did. You claimed my numbers were fake. Don’t challenge what you can’t really challenge.
    Singapore is an ethnic Chinese Confucian principled society. That and the fact it has a political system that is not controlled by the west is why the People’s Republic of China sought to learn DIRECTLY from it.

  261. @FB

    Well I guess you were born too early then… Well let’s look at what the Chinese State Media itself says about how Singapore affected China’s reform and opening up since the late 1970’s. Pretty significant they replayed the interview in honor of his death because Lee had such and effect. So I guess the people who run China’s state media are morons too?? I don’t think so.. I think your friend doesn’t know his own country’s development.

  262. bluedog says:
    @showmethereal

    Fool you rattle on about democracy and look at what democracy has done in the west, where 1% control almost the entire wealth of the nation,where capitalism has left little but poverty and homeless camps all across the nation, and its only gaining speed as thousands or perhaps a few million will join them in coming days,meanwhile the wealth of the 1% increased by billions of dollars.The problem with you is you don’t know the difference between capitalism and fascism, which rules in the west today as Trump dumps untold trillions into the financial system to protect the wealth of the 1%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  263. @showmethereal

    What are you thoughts on the Globalists’ HQ (City of London) backing the Chinese Yuan as early as 1913 (coincidentally, the same year they created their “Federal” Reserve in the USA) and/or the IMF planning to move to Beijing within 10 years?

    Correct me if I am wrong but, to me, it seems like the City of London has sucked the USA dry and is metastasizing.

    _____

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189193.html

    https://www.voltairenet.org/article189604.html

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-imf-china-lagarde-idUSKBN1A922L

  264. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Look, you’re not even a Chinese national…you’re Singaporean, which is fine…but your views are not formed properly…

    Lee was indeed a very accomplished man, no one is disputing that…but Singapore has adopted just as much from the CPC as the other way round…probably more…

    Singapore is just an appendage of China, just as the fake country of Taiwan is…

    You are simply incapable of putting very basic things in their place…Singapore can never be a ‘teacher’ to China…that is just ridiculous…

    I recall last time I argued with you it was extremely frustrating because you had equally ridiculous ideas about the civil aviation industry,about which you know nothing, and in which I have a lot of experience…and you simply would not accept certain basic, common sense things that every industry professional simply takes as a given…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
    , @antibeast
  265. @showmethereal

    I have to agree that Singapore was the example China followed till about 2010. By then China had become too big to follow anything, uncharted territory.

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  266. @bluedog

    “Fool you rattle on about democracy and look at what democracy has done in the west”

    What on earth are you blabbering about??? Where did I say anything like that???

  267. @Hiram of Tyre

    In all honesty I don’t know enough on that direct situation to comment (unlike many others on UNZ)… But I will keep it in mind to look further into it.

  268. @FB

    Ok – so aside from the fact of the link about the facts that the CCP specifically sends cadres to learn governance in Singapore – and the fact that Xi Jinping says there is still more for China to learn – and aside from the fact Singapore is the only government that has direct government to government development projects in China (4 to be exact) and the CCP saw fit post a video of an interview of him speaking about how he mentored China’s leaders during the reform – on the anniversary of his death – you still claim I’m the one who doesn’t know what I’m saying…. Got ya. Of course China has way more problems to contend with… But it is a simple fact that it has studied the style of governance

    Yes yes – I recall that exchange. While I can’t tell you anything about aerospace engineering – and I fully agreed with you that Russia is better at making jet engines than China…. However I can read very well and have a good understanding of how things work industry/business wise. If I recall you said Russian aerospace was fully competent but held back by the west – and Russia was basically doing China a favor by collaborating on the CR929. Earlier in 2020 – I read a piece the Sukhoi Superjet had no new orders… And was grounded in Mexico because of parts supply issues. When I read it – it reminded me of that discourse. But I didn’t bother to revisit. I don’t need to know the mathematical equation to test loads on a wing to be able to understand that.

    The other argument was who is advancing further in space travel. Your argument was that Russia was more accomplished in human space travel. That was fine and it was true. The point was at this current time who is more advanced. Again – I can’t tell you how to design a rocket… But I can read to know who is sending what into space over the past 5 years and what each nation has in the pipeline.
    But I guess it’s the same issue. You correctly state that under Mao China was able to unify and make social advancements. They did so with a lot of Soviet help. My argument is factual in that – that period doesn’t change the fact China switched gears in the late 1970’s and used a different model.

    • Replies: @FB
  269. @Hiram of Tyre

    I will call you a prophet if even just one of these becomes true in 10 years.

  270. @Astuteobservor II

    Indeed it went from teacher/student to now more “peer to peer”. But even in that regard they “trust” Singapore more than anyone else. Hence the direct government to government initiatives. The latest being the Chongqing Connectivity Intiative (I believe now named the New Land/Sea Transport Corridor). Now just last week the Chinese government announced a further push to develop the west with Chonqing/Chengdu taking the lead. That initiative will play an even bigger role.

  271. antibeast says:
    @FB

    Just to add my two cents:

    Lee was indeed a very accomplished man, no one is disputing that…but Singapore has adopted just as much from the CPC as the other way round…probably more…Singapore is just an appendage of China, just as the fake country of Taiwan is…

    No, Singapore is a Sovereign City-State in Southeast Asia which became independent of Malaya after being expelled by its first PM Tunku Abdul Rahman. The Chinese-Singaporeans are Southeast Asian Chinese who are descended from Chinese immigrants who arrived from Fujian and Guangdong Provinces over the last 150 years when Malaya came to be ruled by the British. Apart from ethnic Chinese, there are also ethnic Indians and Eurasians in both Singapore and Malaysia.

    Taiwan is a completely different story altogether because its ROC government was founded in mainland China which moved its capital to Taipei after Chiang Kai-shek lost to Mao in the Chinese Civil War in 1949.

    You are simply incapable of putting very basic things in their place…Singapore can never be a ‘teacher’ to China…that is just ridiculous…

    China did learn from Singapore and so did Singapore from China. What did China learn from Singapore? How to become “Modern” without becoming “Western”. And what did Singapore learn from China? How to remain “Asian” while becoming “Modern”. Here’s a link to an article about the China-Singapore relationship:

    https://www.thinkchina.sg/construction-singapore-model-mainland-china

    • Agree: Showmethereal
  272. FB says: • Website
    @showmethereal

    Look FOOL…

    I don’t have endless amounts of time or patience to spend on various dummies here…

    You were trying to put forth the notion that the design and certification of the CR929 would not be LED by the Russians, which is not factual…it is being led by the Russians of course, since China has zero experience in civil aircraft design and certification…

    You in fact tried to argue about the TECHNICAL aspects of aircraft certification, about which you know less than nothing…

    You also tried to argue about rocket engines…again, knowing absolute zilch…I pointed out that China got its advanced rocket engine technology from the Russians in the early 1990s…when Russia sold them the RD120 engine…

    The same is true for the Chinese manned space program which got the Russian Soyuz technology…the Shenzou spacecraft and even the spacesuits…Chinese astronauts even got to train in Russia…all of this ACQUIRED technology is what has allowed the Chinese to become the third nation to put a man in space…

    The Chinese still lack many important pieces, like large engines…their biggest being the YF100 [RD120 copy] which is only 300,000 pounds of thrust…about one third the thrust of the RD180 that the US buys from Russia, and one sixth that of the RD170 used on the Zenit rocket…

    You were yapping about how the Long March super heavy version is going to lift huge payloads for missions to the moon etc…how the fuck do you engage in discussions about VERY TECHNICAL things about which you know zilch…

    Then later you say…well I read what is going on…

    I can read to know who is sending what into space over the past 5 years and what each nation has in the pipeline.

    Big fucking deal…you can read all you want if you don’t understand very fundamental things about this technology…do you think the bozos in the popsci press know what they are talking about…?

    You go ahead and point me to a single article that explains how the Chinese Long March 9 rocket is going to make 6000 tons of thrust…from engines that make only 150 tons each…that equals 40 fucking engines BOZO…

    I would like to see a single rocket in history that has flown with that many engines…

    Now China has landed a rover on the moon and that is fantastic…but remember that the Russians not only landed a rover on the moon but also flew that spacecraft back to earth from the moon, and BROUGHT BACK soil samples…and that was more than 40 years ago…

    Obviously you are one of those dumb people who doesn’t know how much he doesn’t know…the so-called ‘unknown unknown’…the lowest level of knowledge possible…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  273. @FB

    You claim you don’t have time but you keep coming back. You keep making the same silly arguments and because you can’t win you resort to insults.
    1) I sent OFFICIAL press releases from both EUROPEAN AND CHINESE agencies noting that they were working to streamline their certifications so that certification in one would be accepted by the other. You went WAYYYYY off arguing other things while completely ignoring that. But seeing this past discussion and others that you have had with other people on other stories – I’m not surprised. I did not argue anything technical apart from what was in the press releases. You are in your own world.

    2) China learning their space program has NOTHING to do with who is doing and accomplishing what over the past several years (in the same way that Russian and American space programs both starting from the Nazi scientists they took from Germany). LeMans race cars in the 1970’s were faster than the cars today… Doesn’t mean they would beat them in a race. And yes it is a big deal. If you had any sense you would know why the US is doing all it can to get back in the race. Interestingly a story in Asia Times just came out quoting Russian sources stating they aren’t getting back into the race now. But ok. You can have that one… I see you are very cranky… Life satisfaction must be low.

  274. FB says: • Website

    Look IDIOT…

    Your idiotic claim wasn’t just putting up news releases about some agreement between European and Chinese aviation authorities…which you did not understand what this kind of agreement actually means anyway, until I explained it…

    You argued that China was going to head up the certification on the CR929, which is just pure bullshit…they do not have that kind of expertise nor experience…your meaningless press releases notwithstanding…

    You are just confirming everything I said about you…you don’t actually posses any real knowledge…but you feel perfectly justified in arguing with people who do…

    China learning their space program has NOTHING to do with who is doing and accomplishing what over the past several years…

    Yes it does…China leapt ahead by many years, even decades by piggybacking off Russian engine and spacecraft technology…

    I worked at Nasa Ames Research Center in the 1990s when the ISS project was coming together [although I was in aeronautics and not involved in the ISS project]…I know how much the US gained in Russian space station technology, which is the functional core of the ISS…I know senior people who were just amazed at what a windfall they had fall into their lap…

    You have absolutely no way of understanding the significance of technology transfers like that, unless you actually understand the technology…

    And no…it’s not the same as the rocket technology that the Russians and Americans got from Germany…the V2 rocket engine was a significant advance at the time, but still very low on the progression curve…

    It is an order of magnitude different than getting a complete spacecraft technology…or a complete rocket engine that you just license…these are very advanced technologies that represent the pinnacle of development…

    Again…you cannot possibly hope to understand these things because it would mean having a serious understanding of at least how technology progression works…it is amazing to me how you think you can actually argue about things that you don’t even understand…

    It’s like the very first jet engine, which the US got from the British…that’s all well and good, but it’s not the same as now Pratt and Whitney licensing a complete F119 engine to China…one is the very rough first step, the other is the height of the technology’s development…

    Like I said…all that you are capable of doing is parroting what you read in the completely clueless media…anyway, don’t bother me anymore…I don’t have unlimited time for science illiterates…although I do feel it is necessary to set the record straight when some useless shrimp decides he’s going to start squirting diarrhea…

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  275. @FB

    Ohhhh – I see you failed to reply directly again. No problem.

    You argued that China was going to head up the certification on the CR929, which is just pure bullshit…they do not have that kind of expertise nor experience…your meaningless press releases notwithstanding…”

    Ahhhh yes – because official releases mean nothing if FB doesn’t agree… Same with China stating that they learned from Singapore since the 70’s. In any event your idea is very strange since China has it’s own self made regional jets called the ARJ 21 (with western components just like Russia) that have been in service. They are also self developing a mid size jet the C919 with western components (just like Russia). So for some reason after getting experience you are saying they suddenly need help to develop a third jet…??? Here is the reality – China just like Russia – isn’t going to get many customers in nations who kowtow to the west. The CR929 is targeted to the Chinese and Russian markets… So your idea about China not knowing how to get certification makes no sense… But carry on.

    “I worked at Nasa Ames Research Center in the 1990s when the ISS project was coming together [although I was in aeronautics and not involved in the ISS project]…I know how much the US gained in Russian space station technology, which is the functional core of the ISS…I know senior people who were just amazed at what a windfall they had fall into their lap…”

    That’s great… But it has nothing to do with what is going on right now. But carry on.

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