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Afghan militia fighters keep watch at an outpost against Taliban insurgents at Charkint district in Balkh Province in June. Photo: AFP / Farshad Usyan
Afghan militia fighters keep watch at an outpost against Taliban insurgents at Charkint district in Balkh Province in June. Photo: AFP / Farshad Usyan

The ever-elusive Afghan “peace” process negotiations re-start this Wednesday in Doha via the extended troika – the US, Russia, China and Pakistan. The contrast with the accumulated facts on the ground could not be starker.

In a coordinated blitzkrieg, the Taliban have subdued no less than six Afghan provincial capitals in only four days. The central administration in Kabul will have a hard time defending its stability in Doha.

It gets worse. Ominously, Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has all but buried the Doha process. He’s already betting on civil war – from the weaponization of civilians in the main cities to widespread bribing of regional warlords, with the intent of building a “coalition of the willing” to fight the Taliban.

The capture of Zaranj, the capital of Nimruz province, was a major Taliban coup. Zaranj is the gateway for India’s access to Afghanistan and further on to Central Asia via the International North-South Transportation Corridor (INSTC).

India paid for the construction of the highway linking the port of Chabahar in Iran – the key hub of India’s faltering version of the New Silk Roads – to Zaranj.

At stake here is a vital Iran-Afghanistan border crossing cum Southwest/Central Asia transportation corridor. Yet now the Taliban control trade on the Afghan side. And Tehran has just closed the Iranian side. No one knows what happens next.

The Taliban are meticulously implementing a strategic master plan. There’s no smoking gun, yet – but highly informed outside help – Pakistani ISI intel? – is plausible.

First, they conquer the countryside – a virtually done deal in at least 85% of the territory. Then they control the key border checkpoints, as with Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Iran and Spin Boldak with Balochistan in Pakistan. Finally, it’s all about encircling and methodically taking provincial capitals – that’s where we are now.

The final act will be the Battle for Kabul. This may plausibly happen as early as September, in a warped “celebration” of the 20 years of 9/11 and the American bombing of 1996-2001 Talibanistan.

That strategic blitzkrieg

What’s going on across the north is even more astonishing than in the southwest.

The Taliban have conquered Sheberghan, a heavily Uzbek-influenced area, and took no time to spread images of fighters in stolen garb posing in front of the now-occupied Dostum Palace. Notoriously vicious warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum happens to be the current Afghan vice-president.

Taliban posing with military garb stolen from Dostum’s palace in Sheberghan. Photo: Supplied
Taliban posing with military garb stolen from Dostum’s palace in Sheberghan. Photo: Supplied

The Taliban’s big splash was to enter Kunduz, which is still not completely subdued. Kunduz is very important strategically. With 370,000 people and quite close to the Tajik border, it’s the main hub of northeast Afghanistan.

Kabul government forces have simply fled. All prisoners were released from local jails. Roads are blocked. That’s significant because Kunduz is at the crossroads of two important corridors – to Kabul and Mazar-i-Sharif. And crucially, it’s also a crossroads of corridors used to export opium and heroin.

The Bundeswehr used to occupy a military base near Kunduz airport, now housing the 217th Afghan Army corps. That’s where the few remaining Afghan government forces have retreated.

The Taliban are now bent on besieging the historically legendary Mazar-i-Sharif, the big northern city, even more important than Kunduz. Mazar-i-Sharif is the capital of Balkh province. The top local warlord, for decades, has been Atta Mohammad Noor, who I met 20 years ago.

He’s now vowing to defend “his” city “until the last drop of my blood.” That, in itself, spells out a major civil war scenario.

The Taliban endgame here is to establish a west-east axis from Sheberghan to Kunduz and the also captured Taloqan, the capital of Takhar province, via Mazar-i-Sharif in Balkh province, and parallel to the northern borders with Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and Tajikistan.

If that happens, we’re talking about an irreversible, logistical game-changer, with virtually the whole north escaping from the control of Kabul. No way the Taliban will “negotiate” this win – in Doha or anywhere else.

The leader of the Taliban negotiating team Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, center, after the final declaration of the peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban in Qatar’s capital Doha on July 18, 2021. Photo: AFP / Karim Jaafar
The leader of the Taliban negotiating team Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, center, after the final declaration of the peace talks between the Afghan government and the Taliban in Qatar’s capital Doha on July 18, 2021. Photo: AFP / Karim Jaafar

An extra astonishing fact is that all these areas do not feature a Pashtun majority, unlike Kandahar in the south and Lashkar Gah in the southwest, where the Taliban are still fighting to establish complete control.

The Taliban’s control over almost all international border crossings yielding customs revenue leads to serious questions about what happens next to the drug business.

Will the Taliban again interdict opium production – like the late Mullah Omar did in the early 2000s? A strong possibility is that distribution will not be allowed inside Afghanistan.

After all, export profits can only benefit Taliban weaponization – against future American and NATO “interference.” And Afghan farmers may earn much more with opium poppy cultivation than with other crops.

NATO’s abject failure in Afghanistan is visible in every aspect. In the past, Americans used military bases in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. The Bundeswehr used the base in Termez, Uzbekistan, for years.

Termez is now used for Russian and Uzbek joint maneuvers. And the Russians left their base in Kyrgzstan to conduct joint maneuvers in Tajikistan. The whole security apparatus in the neighboring Central Asian “stans” is being coordinated by Russia.

China’s main security priority, meanwhile, is to prevent future jihadi incursions in Xinjiang, which involve extremely hard mountain crossings from Afghanistan to Tajikistan and then to a no man’s land in the Wakhan corridor. Beijing’s electronic surveillance is tracking anything that moves in this part of the roof of the world.

This Chinese think tank analysis shows how the moving chessboard is being tracked. The Chinese are perfectly aware of the “military pressure on Kabul” running in parallel to the Taliban diplomatic offensive, but prefer to stress their “posing as an aggressive force ready to take over the regime.”

Chinese realpolitik also recognizes that “the United States and other countries will not easily give up the operation in Afghanistan for many years, and will not be willing to let Afghanistan become the sphere of influence of other countries.”

This leads to characteristic Chinese foreign policy caution, with practically an advice for the Taliban not to “be too big,” and try “to replace the Ghani government in one fell swoop.”

How to prevent a civil war

So is Doha DOA? Extended troika players are doing what they can to salvage it. There are rumors of feverish “consultations” with the members of the Taliban political office based in Qatar and with the Kabul negotiators.

The starter will be a meeting this Tuesday of the US, Russia, Afghanistan’s neighbors and the UN. Yet even before that, the Taliban political office spokesman, Naeem Wardak, has accused Washington of interfering in internal Afghan affairs.

ORDER IT NOW

Pakistan is part of the extended troika. Pakistani media is all-out involved in stressing how Islamabad’s leverage over the Taliban “is now limited.” An example is made of how the Taliban shut the key border crossing in Spin Boldak – actually a smuggling haven – demanding Pakistan ease visa restrictions for Afghans.

Now that is a real nest of vipers issue. Most old school Taliban leaders are based in Pakistan’s Balochistan and supervise what goes in and out of the border from a safe distance, in Quetta.

Extra trouble for the extended troika is the absence of Iran and India at the negotiating table. Both have key interests in Afghanistan, especially when it comes to its hopefully new peaceful role as a transit hub for Central-South Asia connectivity.

Moscow from the start wanted Tehran and New Delhi to be part of the extended troika. Impossible. Iran never sits on the same table with the US, and vice-versa. That’s the case now in Vienna, during the JCPOA negotiations, where they “communicate” via the Europeans.

New Delhi for its part refuses to sit on the same table with the Taliban, which it sees as a terrorist Pakistani proxy.

Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, left, and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar in Tehran. Photo: AFP / Iranian Foreign Ministry
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif, left, and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar in Tehran. Photo: AFP / Iranian Foreign Ministry

There’s a possibility that Iran and India may be getting their act together, and that would include even a closely connected position on the Afghan drama.

When Indian External Affairs Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar attended President Ebrahim Raisi’s inauguration last week in Tehran, they insisted on “close cooperation and coordination” also on Afghanistan.

What this would imply in the near future is increased Indian investment in the INSTC and the India-Iran-Afghanistan New Silk Road corridor. Yet that’s not going to happen with the Taliban controlling Zaranj.

Beijing for its part is focused on increasing its connectivity with Iran via what could be described as a Persian-colored corridor incorporating Tajikistan and Afghanistan. That will depend, once again, on the degree of Taliban control.

But Beijing can count on an embarrassment of riches: Plan A, after all, is an extended China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), with Afghanistan annexed, whoever is in power in Kabul.

What’s clear is that the extended troika will not be shaping the most intricate details of the future of Eurasia integration. That will be up to the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), which includes Russia, China, Pakistan, India, the Central Asian “stans” and Iran and Afghanistan as current observers and future full-members.

So the time has come for the SCO’s ultimate test: how to pull off a near-impossible power-sharing deal in Kabul and prevent a devastating civil war, complete with imperial B-52 bombing.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. KA says:

    “The latest gains in the Taliban’s lightning advance came as a US peace envoy to Afghanistan warned the Taliban that any government that comes to power through force in Afghanistan would not be recognised internationally.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/taliban-fighters-capture-afghan-city-at-strategic-junction-north-of-kabul

    How the F ** did USA come to form two successive governmnets ?

    BBC is shitting the pants for last few weeks, suddenly expressing concerns for refugees ,displacemnts,childrrn,and over starvation.
    BBC possibly served same roles in the past in Malyasia , Kenya,and Sudan.

  2. Will the Taliban again interdict opium production – like the late Mullah Omar did in the early 2000s? A strong possibility is that distribution will not be allowed inside Afghanistan.

    After all, export profits can only benefit Taliban weaponization – against future American and NATO “interference.” And Afghan farmers may earn much more with opium poppy cultivation than with other crops.

    This is a curious assessment. The financial logic seems to be sound, but IMO it doesn’t mesh with the reality of how the Taliban has historically managed its affairs. Perhaps the train of thought is too Westernised, framed around the principles of American capitalism.

    As I recall, way back before Team America ® embarked on a crusade to bring “freedom & democracy” to Afghanistan, the Taliban had all but eliminated the opium industry from Afghanistan. It exploded across the country when the Americans unilaterally invaded and trashed the joint, and set about using Afghanistan as their private military-run poppy farm, exporting addictive opium to the world and generating lucrative revenue for American alphabet agencies.

    This is an open secret. Given past history, the author’s projection of American “ends justify means” logic onto the Taliban re the Afghanistan opium industry seems a little tenuous.

  3. No one has controlled Afghanistan since ancient times. Those people have long fought invaders. but, when there are no invaders, they fight each other. Trying to build a nation among numerous tribes who insist on a tribalist society is an utter waste of time. We should have been out of that cesspool years ago.

  4. Notsofast says:
    @Ultrafart the Brave

    the taliban have learned their lesson, never interfere with the c.i.a.s chief export/import. the whole reason we went in was to reestablish the ratlines the taliban had eradicated. they know as long as they keep the c.i.a. supplied they can do what ever they want. as pe pe said they don’t want distribution within the country, but exporting it to the west is sweet revenge for 20 years of occupation. they can do more damage to the infidel occupiers with heroin than they can dream of doing with bombs and guns and have a never ending cash cow to fund their civil war. civil war was always the u.s. exit strategy, this is obvious in the way they left bagram in the middle of the night without informing the afghan government. they left the country awash in weapons and equipment and the taliban are driving around in \$220,000 humvee’s curtesy of the u.s. tax payer. we want total chaos and scorched earth so the chinese can’t exploit the resources of the country and to serve as a base for sowing the seeds of conflict in the region.

  5. Pharaoh says: • Website

    The Taliban, like ISIS, is practicing sex slavery, imitating their Prophet Mohammad:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/07/23/afghanistan-taliban-women-gender/

    Terrified women packed what they could, hired cars and goods carts, or simply walked to escape what some described as their worst nightmare—being kidnapped and forced into sex slavery by the Taliban.

    The Taliban follow an extremely conservative Islamic ideology that regards women as “kaniz,” or commodities, and therefore as “qhanimat,” spoils of war, said Omar Sadr, a professor of political science at the American University of Afghanistan.

    “Once jihadists such as the Taliban capture territory, whatever property is there, their ideology allows them to claim and own it as Qhanimat (spoils of war). This includes the women, they don’t even have to marry them, it is a form of sex slavery,” he said.

  6. Malla says:

    New Delhi for its part refuses to sit on the same table with the Taliban, which it sees as a terrorist Pakistani proxy.

    I think New Delhi may be open to deal with the Taliban, but it is pro-kabul Government. New Delhi is of course weary of Pakistan and China.

    There’s a possibility that Iran and India may be getting their act together, and that would include even a closely connected position on the Afghan drama.

    How alliances change so fast!!!! What a messy world!! Anyways Iranian relations with India is complicated. Earlier Iran was a great freind of India used by India to balance Pakistan. But in key Indo-Pakistani wars, Iran would end up helping Pakistan. I think, it was in the 1971 war, when Pakistan used Iranian airbases (of the Shah) to park some of its airforce in its war with India.

    What this would imply in the near future is increased Indian investment in the INSTC and the India-Iran-Afghanistan New Silk Road corridor.

    The problem with Indian projects is that Indians are more talk than action compared to the Chinese. And India can be very miserly in releasing money to foreigners and foreign projects. Plus we have Indo-US relations and even Indo-Israeli relatiosn which can come in the way in Indo-Iranian relations.
    Also India really does not have anything much to offer to iran from a technological point of view, to Afghanistan yes, but Iran, no. Iranians already build great roads and railways and Indians do nto have any advantage in this. The Only advantage India has is it has a greater experience in runnign a more dense railway system as India has had railways far before many Asian countries since British Empire days. Except that nothing much. Iranian trains are far more comfortable than Indian trains.

    Compared to that China has the ability to build advanced infrastructure extrmely fast at a cheaper rate compared to first world competitiors.

    Now that is a real nest of vipers issue. Most old school Taliban leaders are based in Pakistan’s Balochistan and supervise what goes in and out of the border from a safe distance, in Quetta.

    During the earlier Baloch Independence movements against the Pakistani State back in the 70s/ 80s etc… the Pakistan Government had encouraged more Pathan/Pastun settlement of Balochistan to change the demographics and reduce Baloch population percentage in their own ancestral lands.

  7. So, the entire deep state prevented Trump from ending the war and getting the credit.
    So, they had to put Biden in office and make him get the credit.

    The ZioCons and ZioLibs simply couldn’t abide by Trump striding the stage as peace-maker who brought the troops home and ended a long useless war.
    That is why the entire deep state was so pro-war during Trump’s presidency but is now dutifully going along with Biden’s withdrawals.

  8. USA values tossed out –how will these people ever become “Exceptional” and watch pro sports Sundays??

  9. Malla says:
    @Pharaoh

    They wanted to go with Western style womans “rights” and modernity too but after they took one glance at Western society with its promiscuity, divorce rates, single moms, cat ladies, butt twerk to thugs etc.. they decided to open the Koran and go with strict Islam. Can anyone blame them?

    • Thanks: Showmethereal
    • Replies: @TKK
    , @HeebHunter
  10. nsa says:

    Imagine the newly arrived western NGO d0-g00ders patiently explaining to Ahmed the Tribesman how his wife owns half his camels and even half his hookah pipe in the new enlightened democratic constitutional Afghanistan, and that goat fucking and tossing fags off buildings is now considered in bad taste.

    • Replies: @Malla
  11. TKK says:
    @Pharaoh

    Pakistan is not much better.

    I spent about three months there in 2005, with most of my time in Lahore but I went with my Turkish friend to a city called Chaman, NW of Lahore. My time there is blurry because I had both food poisoning and a cold.

    But one incident I will never forget.

    My friend and I went to visit his extended family who were Pakis, related by marriage. We went with his aunt, his uncle, and two brothers to an outdoor mall, like a traditional ME market but better. We were having a big dinner, so we bought a lot of meat, bread and little cakes and fancy glass bottled water. They would not let me pay (I got them a box of presents when I left).

    When we left the market, we had about a 15 minute walk back to our truck. The groceries were heavy, about 5 bags.

    Here we are, strapping and strong group and I started loading up on bags. Every man, down to my friend, instead took the bags and draped them over the sole woman, his aunt. She was about 50+, very short and chubby. Looked tired and hot.

    The men walked ahead and smoked cigarettes, shooting the breeze and making her carry ALL THE GROCERIES. Like a pack mule.

    I felt like a heel and kept going back to help her. She refused and my friend gave me the Turkish no- a sucking of the teeth and a slight upward head nod. (what we think of as yes).

    He was getting mad of me, and me him. A cultural divide as big as the Pacific Ocean.

    A western female cannot image the disrespect & humiliation shown to women- ugly, pretty, average, old, young, elderly, middle aged.

    If anyone ever needed a Social Justice Warrior to fight for them, it is the women and girls in Muslim countries. What we think of as dominate or alpha males has metastasized into such a warped view of females in those countries.

    Less than zero- they are breeding machines, work horses, the cook, the maid, the nurse and sometimes the purse. They are considered beneath contemplation.

    • Disagree: Thim
    • Thanks: RichardDuck
  12. TKK says:
    @Malla

    Nothing wrong with cat women or men.

    Cats are great company and I am grateful there are people that help take them in.

    They are hurting no one and help with cat overpopulation.

    There was a woman in a trailer park in SC that had a big Maine coon cat. One night, a prowler (surprise! he was black) kicked in the window of her bedroom. She was on heavy meds (84 years old) and did not wake up.

    But her Maine coon cat Eugene did.

    He started biting, scratching and mauling the burglar. Not only did he frantically start climbing back out of the window, the ruckus woke up the lady and she was able to call 911.

  13. Tips for the idiots in charge:

    1. If you intend to support your puppet Afghan government, don’t make your biggest goal quickly evacuating thousands of collaborators, thus showing you think all is lost.

    2. If you intend to support your puppet Afghan government, don’t disable or destroy hundreds of vehicles as you leave.

    3. If you hope to work deals with the incoming Afghan government, don’t conduct massive B-52 strikes on their victory parades, killing mostly innocent civilians in the process.

    Finally, something from my blog:

    Oct 23, 2013 – The Objective of LIC

    As the U.S. military withdraws from Afghanistan, it is destroying billions of dollars of usable equipment because it is too costly to ship home. This reminds me of a passage from the late Col. Fletcher Prouty USAF:

    ” …we must understand that it has become the objective of ‘low intensity conflict’ to continue the wasting of money, the pointless killing of defenseless people, and the consumption or attrition of costly war materiel to make way for the procurement of more. ‘Low-intensity conflict’ is a way in which the hundreds of billions of dollars of armaments produced each year can be used, destroyed, and wasted this year in order that more may be procured and used next year.”

  14. Malla says:
    @nsa

    Wherever Whitey has tried White Man’s burden improving the place philosophy, they have only created enemies for themselves. Best is to leave non white populations alone and work towards eventual de-Westernisation of those societies. May be give a slight push towards Islamic fundamentalism, Hindutva, Rabbinical fundamentalism, “decolonising the mind” or even Communism. Communism is from the West but is anti-West now. More they de-westernise, more Whitey benefits in the long term.
    Whitey should only interfere in matters related to nature, trying to stop habitat destruction, pollution, working to stop extinction of species etc… Maybe with sanctions if necessary. Except that some trade and not much anything else with the non-White World and Jews should be the mantra. Japan could be the only exception in this.
    If China would had been allowed to remain in it’s medieval Confucian state or it’s Maoist state, they would not have emerged as such economic competitor for the West, like today.
    If India would have remained in its Mughal Maratha bullock cart stage with no Whitey education, they would not be H1B visa seekers, leading to the destruction of Whitey programmers. If Africans would have remained in its tribal jungle state, there might not have been large number of Africans running to Europe and infiltrating and causing trouble to Europe.
    One “Western” culture that can be promoted to torpedo other societies (which the CIA types perhaps already do) is promoting Judeo-negro- “Western” “culture” like ghetto “culture” while White societies itself remaining immune to it somehow.

    • Agree: Rich, Zarathustra
  15. HeebHunter [AKA "PunchTheHookNose"] says:
    @Malla

    Again, no sane foreigner/immigrant would ever want to “integrate” into a demonic, satanic (((society))). Good for them. Staying on the sideline is how you make money in the Talmudic west anyway.

    • Replies: @Malla
  16. BorisMay says:

    As usual Pepe ignores the stark realities on the ground. The north is a liberal form of Shia Islam. They are sick and tired of the hypocritical Sunni Islam practiced by the central and southern, including Kabul, residents of the country. So sick of it, that even the Salafist Taliban are attractive enough to not only give way to, but even support.

    Afghanistan used to be a Buddhist country and most of it converted very slowly to Shia Islam that took Mohammed’s instructions not to kill, except in self defence, seriously and at face value. Fast forward to modern Salafist Islam that believes killing the infidel (which includes Islamists that believe in a different version of Islam to you) is doing God’s will.

    The Taliban will end drug production, ban smoking and consumption of alcohol as well as putting women in their place as commodities like cattle or iron ore. It will last a generation at most before the Afghanis kick them out. India, China, Russia, the Shia stans to the north, Iran et al can go to hell. A few well placed S500s will deal with the US bombers and the rest, as they say, will become history.

  17. Ross23 says:
    @Priss Factor

    All is saved project 100,000 has been restarted McNamara moron army are here to save the day.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_100,000

  18. gotmituns says:

    The latest BS is that we are going to take in Afghans who sided with our troops when they invade Afghanistan. Aren’t those people known as traitors, who side with foreign enemies invading the nation? Seems to me we’ve got plenty of traitors of our own right now. We don’t need to bring in any foreign traitors.

    • Agree: Carlton Meyer
    • Replies: @rgl
    , @Donald A Thomson
  19. Anon[405] • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    We should have been out of that cesspool years ago.

    “We” never should have gone there in the first place. The Soviets were slowly introducing modernity to Afghanistan until ZUSA introduced jihadi terror there and put it to work, as has been the case in oh so many other instances worldwide.

    Neither the Taliban nor OBL’s forces had anything to do with 9/11 either but by a strange coincidence the use and abuse of opiates has skyrocketed in the USA since the GWOT began twenty years ago, funny that! Do you think that there may be a connection?

    • Agree: Badger Down
  20. kali says:
    @Pharaoh

    The Taliban, like ISIS, is practicing sex slavery, imitating their Prophet Mohammad:

    And the MOSSAD, CIA, GCHQ, et al, are running pedophile rings and sex trafficing for sexual blackmail of low-life scum on bahalf of the despotic jew and his chosen god.

    Such is the world we lif in today. The sooner all of the mono-god cults are wiped out the better off we’ll all be!

    Regards,
    Kali.

    • Replies: @augusto
  21. Unless the regime in India* finds the cojones to risk infuriating its Amerikastani master and its zionazi heartthrob, any cooperation between India and Iran is impossible.

    *not just the current Modi regime but its cravenly pro Amerikastani predecessor the Congress government “led” by Manmohan Singh, and whatever takes over in 2024.

  22. @Quartermaster

    Wait and see. If the USUKisrael cesspool can just stay away, Afghanistan will do fine.

  23. @Pharaoh

    Oh, the “American” University of Afghanistan!
    And you believe it?

  24. @Priss Factor

    Nice vid! Now THAT’s what I call diversity.

  25. anon[118] • Disclaimer says:

    Recall that until Washington started giving weapons and training Afghan ‘freedom fighters’ in the late 1970s; Women in Kabul went to university, held professional jobs, and so forth.

    Somehow, our tax dollars are used to support the worst thugs in every country we engage in. One might conclude that destroying societies is a feature, not a bug, of our foreign policy establishment.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
  26. The Taliban are people of honour. Maybe the US and allies should have gotten them to swear to not take retribution on those who aided the US and allies, as they were under their protection, in exchange for disbanding the puppet government, handing the whole country over to the Taliban, and leaving as promised on the date promised. Instead, the US and allies behaved, and continue to behave dishonourably, and people are dying unnecessarily.

  27. @Priss Factor

    Lets not go overboard on savior Trump. Yes, he claimed he wanted to end the war, but he did nothing about it. As commander in chief, he had the legal authority to do the job but didn’t.

    Trump is a severe disappointment to many. I knew he was a con man when he did next to nothing for 4 years but tweet about himself being harassed by the Democrats. It was true enough, but he never did the job he was elected for. He could have set up his own web site and allow his supporters and even detractors to get information directly from him, but he didn’t do that either. Rather, he bitched and moaned about how the tech sector was silencing him. He was a cry baby for 4 years and accomplished nothing of significance.

  28. geokat62 says:

    All Roads Lead to the Battle for Kabul

    No, All Roads Lead to Zion

    • Agree: kali
  29. Smith says:

    Allah bless the Taliban.

    May they find the footstep of the Vietcong and end the war soon.

    • LOL: Rich
  30. @The Alarmist

    I know that you guys love Islam simply because it hates Jews even more than you do, but you should be aware that Muslim “honour” explicitly extends to fellow-Muslims alone (and does not have a good track record even there). For the rest of us, whether American, Chinese, or Nicobarese, it’s “taqqiyya” at best and killing where possible.

    • Agree: Rich
  31. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    … Muslim “honour” explicitly extends to fellow-Muslims alone ….

    And most of the people NATO-member governments are kvetching about saving are Muslim … the rest of us have no business in Afghanistan without appropriate invitation.

  32. If today’s White Christian men had one tenth of the heart and the guts of the Taliban, Jews would be about as rare as unicorns in our lands.

  33. JackOH says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Carleton, I think I’m with you and the late Col. Prouty on our Afghan adventure.

    How many Pentagon careers have been made over the course of our 20+-year Afghan adventure?

    How many personal fortunes (at least \$1 million) have been made by executives in civilian companies contracted for service in Afghanistan? How many fortunes made by consultants? How many fortunes made by U. S. military and civilian personnel working contraband rackets, such as drugs, and other illegal schemes?

    How many nice, clean-cut American folks owe their retirement condo in the Carolinas to their participation in a very dubious war?

    I guess I’m just disgusted. Thanks for your comment.

  34. @Smith

    Vietcong were blessed by the Buddha but does the Taliban’s Allah have the same power?

    • Replies: @nokangaroos
    , @Smith
  35. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    Trump is a severe disappointment to many. I knew he was a con man when he did next to nothing for 4 years but tweet about himself being harassed by the Democrats. It was true enough, but he never did the job he was elected for.

    Absolutely correct. As early as mid-April 2017 I wrote a number of comments on this blog stating that Trump was a sham. Here is a couple of them:

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    “Donald Trump must get those kids out of the White House,” a blunt South African observer of our politics barked at me, weeks back. “You’re looking more and more like us.” She was alluding to the nepotism on display in the Trump White House. Since the president started strafing Syria, it has become evident that…
    Realist says:
    April 15, 2017 at 9:51 am GMT
    The Deep State has neutered Trump in less than 100 days.The Bruce Jenner of national leaders.
    He will now be known as The Caitlyn.

    Realist says:
    April 7, 2017 at 6:19 am GMT
    Trump is a fucking idiot. He is part of the deep state warmongering hegemonic assholes. I should have never voted for him. He is a one termer for sure.

    Eerie Prescience of Donald Trump
    Israel Shamir • April 3, 2017 • 152 Comments • Reply
    If President Trump would say “The sun rises in the east and sets in the west”, undoubtedly the New York Times will sarcastically laugh and claim that the ignorant redneck who became the president thanks to Putin the Killer’s interference, is not aware of not-so-recent advances in astronomy that make his sentence truly absurd. There…
    Realist says:
    April 3, 2017 at 9:26 am GMT • 100 Words
    Trump is either stupid or corrupt, I suspect the former. He picked Mike Pence for VP….a go along to get along pussy if there ever was one.. He has shit on his most ardent supporters the freedom caucus. He chose Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, Reince is a very close friend of Paul Ryan who hates Trump and is a part of the power elite. Trump should have long ago cleaned house in the establishment. He has hired his enemies and allowed other enemies to remain in the administration. He will have an impossible four years and out.

    • Replies: @Fred777
    , @RoatanBill
  36. @TKK

    The cat hate from the right is ridiculous. Cats aren’t for everyone. Neither are dogs. Most liberal women have pocketbook pooches to play dress up with. Try that with a cat.

    • Replies: @ricpic
  37. I don’t care if the Taliban conquers Afghanistan. I don’t care about the country at all. However the Taliban destroyed ancient and giant Buddha statutes. Destroying history is a stealth means of destroying human spirit. So methinks they might not be the good guys, but hail to the victors anyway.

  38. @Pharaoh

    “Once jihadists such as the Taliban capture territory, whatever property is there, their ideology allows them to claim and own it as Qhanimat (spoils of war). This includes the women, they don’t even have to marry them, it is a form of sex slavery,” he said.

    It more often includes boys, who they certainly don’t have to marry, but they treat much worse. This seems weirdly normal for the region.

    It is always curious how extreme political misogyny and societally-wide take up of homosexual pedophilia go hand in hand.

  39. Bro43rd says:
    @RoatanBill

    Every president I have voted for that won did exactly as woe-is-me Trump. Promise a slew of things & deliver none of them, same old story.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  40. @Notsofast

    Cheaper, and much stronger, Mexican and Chinese produced fentanyl has replaced heroin as the drug of choice among addicts in America.

  41. @Gaylord of the German Gaylands

    From my own experience with Muslims, plus a little reading, it seems to me that Alarmist’s idea of oath-taking (plus Islam’s prohibition on wanton killing) is a indeed a viable proposition, especially as such oath-taking would be publicly known throughout the Islamic world.

    Your immediate accusation of Alarmist’s post being based on supposed “hatred of Jews” says more about you than it does about Alarmist.

    Not even the failing west’s media, daily believed by less and less people as it very reasonably is, would make such a foolish objection to a workable solution.

    • Agree: Joe Levantine
  42. Fred777 says:
    @Realist

    Washington is beyond repair. Forget what Trump did or did not do as president for a minute, the swamp was and still is in a rage at the success of his campaign message.

    • Replies: @Realist
  43. @Bro43rd

    I made the mistake of voting once in my life and that was for Ross Perot because I thought he might be the bull in the china shop that the country needed. He, of course, was thwarted in his efforts by the usual dirty tricks. After that lapse in judgement, I swore I’d never vote again, and haven’t because the system is corrupt to the bone.

    Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

    Isn’t it time you wised up about voting?

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
    • Replies: @Bro43rd
  44. nsa says:
    @Priss Factor

    Your guy, Trumpstein, released the jew traitor nuclear spy Pollard from jail and happily returned him to his motherland, and GRANTED A FULL PARDON TO POLLARD’S IZZIE SPY HANDLER, JEW AVIEM SELLA, who was tipped off and so escaped prosecution and extradition. However, your guy, Trumpstein, could not see fit to issue a blanket pardon to his beloved maga-morons who invaded the capitol building at his behest and are now being assaulted by afros in Wash DC jails while awaiting trial. American spy agencies are riddled with jew dual nationality spies and traitors. Anyone here ever wonder how the vile jew izzie cultists obtained their nuke bomb designs and nuke materials?

  45. Briggs says:
    @Notsofast

    And do you have ANY proof of this whatsoever?

    Let me guess – no. You just read some spergs ramblings on /pol/ and now parrot it to the world.

    • Troll: Notsofast
  46. @Realist

    I don’t know if Trump is seriously trying to drum up support for another run in 2024. I doubt he can grow a pair in the next few years.

    Rand Paul is auditioning for at least the VP slot right now, or maybe he thinks he should lead the ticket.

    DeSantis is surely considering his chances and that buffoon in Texas might try his luck.

    Just look at the caliber of people that want to tell the rest of the country how to live their lives and that’s just from the supposedly conservative Republican side. Not one of them seriously wants to shrink the Fed Gov. They just want control of the steering wheel.

    They all suck.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Rurik
  47. @A Half Naked Fakir

    The Bahmiyan Buddhas seem to think so.

    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  48. Rich says:

    If the US provides air support and the Kabul government military is able to stand firm, it’s still possible for them to fight the Taliban to a standstill. With the West flying in supplies and giving tactical support, there’s no reason a divided Afghanistan can’t be sustained for a long time. The government forces, their families and Western supporters have a lot to lose, and they share the same “super-soldier” blood many here seem to believe Afghans possess. But they have to fight. We’ll see.

  49. @Pharaoh

    The very first act of the Taliban, on being created in 1994, was to attack and hang a Mujahideen warlord and rescue the teenage girls he had taken as sex slaves.

    • Thanks: Badger Down
  50. @Old and Grumpy

    The Taliban destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas – whom the local Hazara didn’t even know were Buddhas, they had made up a Romeo and Juliet myth about them – because UNESCO in 2001 was willing to provide funds to preserve them but absolutely none for drought relief, and Afghanistan was in danger of famine at the time.

    Nobody asks why the Taliban didn’t destroy them before 2001 despite occupying the area since 1996.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
  51. @Carlton Meyer

    In the movie Lord of War they have the main character explain how the US leaves used up equipment including rifles at the places the pull out from and that is how he got a ton of his stuff for free or at discount.

  52. Maddaugh says:

    Inshallah. May the Great and Merciful Allah grant the Taliban victory, grant Afghan President Ash Graft a plane to head to Switzerland to do you know what LOL.

    Allah will guide the Chinese in bribing the next crop of criminals who inhabit the Afghan Presidential Palace and show them how to set up secret bank accounts wherever. Hopefully they will pay the Zakat.

    But most of all may Allah the Great and Merciful grant the Afghans the peace they seek to continue growing dope, continue living in the 11th Century and waging Jihad against each other. May their flocks of sheep and goats flourish !

    Oh, I forgot. May Allah the all wise guide our maximum leaders the wisdom to stay the fuck out of these countries and mind our own business. This does not mean that Afghan interpreters who worked for the US military will be excluded from immigrating to the US (along with every family member and every member of a family member going back three generations) and living happily ever after on the dole.

    Praise be to Allah and his Prophet for showing us fools, idiots and morons, the true path to righteousness. He has shown us the path out of one mess and is now guiding us onto the path of the next fiasco….in Iran.

    Inshallah, we will spend several more trillion dollars bringing democracy (aka high explosives) to whoever diverts from the path of righteousness designated by you know who.

    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  53. @Rich

    If the US provides air support and the Kabul government military is able to stand firm, it’s still possible for them to fight the Taliban to a standstill.

    Of course it is, Rich.
    Then they can go on and invade/defeat China and Russia.
    Not to mention the Stans and Iran.

    Your “military” is even now drawing up the battle plans for it.

    They anticipate it will all be over by Christmas.

    “Piece of Cake” a top US General commented.

    • Replies: @Rich
  54. @Rich

    The Taliban summarily execute pilots, special police and government agents
    (and probably a few more job descriptions); while this might stiffen resistance
    what we see is them treading paths to the US consulate.
    Meanwhile the gubbermint pressures the EU to “suspend” deportations i.e.
    the reconstruction money is already in Switzerland (“ghani” = lit. “rich”).

    If you were a lowly Afghan bashi bozouk blissfully devoid of any
    way out, would you put up much of a fight?
    (that they have taken to arming the rabble and bribing warlords would mean
    they plan on scorched earth.)

  55. Everybody should leave the moronic fuckers alone and let them soak in their own juice.
    Make with them some little economic agreements, which they will keep because they claim to be honorable people. Do not interfere in their customs an politics. Real changes could happen in the next thousand years.

  56. Flaneur says:
    @TKK

    Why is that old woman living alone, in poverty, in a trailer park?!? This would not happen in societies like the Afghan or Pakistani ones that are being criticized here. In those societies, women do bear the grunt of domestic work, but they are loved and protected by their families and progeny into their old age.

    In the West, they are reduced to seeking companionship and filling their broken social lives with pets, because they either don’t have any families of their own, or their family ties have been strained by the individualistic mindset that was imposed on western societies from the 1960s on, living as atomized individuals. Cats are no substitute for a loving child or grandchild.

    Western women, especially older single women are some of the unhappiest, least fulfilled people on earth, with the highest rates of depression and antidepressant drug use.

    • Thanks: kali
  57. Malla says:
    @TKK

    OK cool, I am convinced, Cat ladies are out of the “undesirable list”. Muslims love cats too. The Taliban would be cat friendly.

  58. Rich says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    You anti-American guys are all so smug and irritating. It’s almost impossible to have a normal disagreement. I’m making the argument that the Afghan government forces still have a chance to hold the Taliban back near Kabul. This isn’t an argument for invading China or Russia. You got that from somewhere in the depths of your mind.

  59. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    I don’t know if Trump is seriously trying to drum up support for another run in 2024. I doubt he can grow a pair in the next few years.

    It’s just the Deep State giving false hope to the idiots on the right.

    They all suck.

    Yep.

  60. Realist says:
    @Fred777

    Washington is beyond repair.

    This country is doomed.

    Forget what Trump did or did not do as president for a minute, the swamp was and still is in a rage at the success of his campaign message.

    What success was that? It was all a charade. The Deep State has been in control for many years.

    • Agree: Robert Bruce
    • Replies: @Robert Bruce
  61. @Rich

    “Hold the Taliban back near Kabul”.

    While who feeds the population?

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  62. @nokangaroos

    Yeah, when you start arming a Volkssturm of housewives and office workers, not to speak of literal criminal gangs, you’re admitting that you’ve given up on your armed forces’ ability to turn the tide.

  63. @Maddaugh

    Funny as hell. Maybe add a bit more sarcasm and you could write for Unz or Takimag!

  64. rgl says:
    @gotmituns

    Yep. America invades Afghanistan. Some Afghanis assisted the Americans out of a loathing for the Talibs.

    Just as America loathed them.

    Help us, and we’ll help you America said. America lied. Again.

    Just one example of why the world cannot, and does not trust America. Aside from that point, I have a very hard time having any sympathy for America when she stomps around the globe, leaving destruction and despair in it’s wake, and when things go south, abandons the people who helped you.

    It is small consolation that America is now suffering the woes – to a small degree – that it inflicts on others.

    Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?

    As far as the charge of traitor goes, remember too that the government in Kabul was installed by the US.

  65. @Realist

    A charade indeed, but the dolts still love him. On top of that the other options the GOP would give us are just run of the mill politicians. I don’t think it will matter by 2024. The country is already circling the drain be and the current of whirlpool is too strong to escape from.

    • Agree: Realist
    • Replies: @Realist
  66. @Rich

    Apologies.

    My post was an attempt to get you and similar “bomb the 3-gorges dam” Americans to consider the wisdom of a cease and desist from your dogged nonstop policy of making war on the world, except Israel of course which owns and is directing you.
    It attempted to suggest that maybe your own country might benefit from so doing.

    Not to mention the rest of us.

    Your country has become a Frankenstein monster, a vicious* Criminal Cartel.
    This is not an overstatement.

    * “Vicious” not only signifies aggressively savage, but also filled with and driven by every kind of Vice. This describes the USA for some long time now.

  67. @TKK

    Cats spread mind altering brain parasites

  68. @Quartermaster

    If we leave the cesspool, who else would be left to finish the job of saturating Afghanistan with democracy human rights and the rule of law?

    • Replies: @gotmituns
  69. RUSSIA TIGHTENS GRIP ON CENTRAL ASIA AS US REGIONAL INFLUENCES COLLAPSES



    Video Link

  70. gotmituns says:
    @Justrambling

    I wouldn’t call the place a cesspool. They’re just different from us. Leave them alone to do as they please. Nobody likes a meddler and that’s what we were/are. None of it is our affair.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Justrambling
  71. So old school Taliban leaders kick back in protective shelter in Pakistan calling the shots while pussywhipped US and coalition wankers from ‘Let’s Play War Games Forever’ leave with their Johnson stuck in their azz as hundreds of thousand died and trillions spent accomplished not a damn thing.
    I don’t know who planes these wars but I would fire the SOB’s immediately. Oh, forgot, they’re all retired in Florida sailing their boats on the tax payer tit.

  72. Efrain says:

    they do whatever they need to do

  73. Realist says:
    @Robert Bruce

    I don’t think it will matter by 2024. The country is already circling the drain be and the current of whirlpool is too strong to escape from.

    For me, the country is already circling the bowl, works better. LOL

  74. Rurik says:
    @gotmituns

    Leave them alone to do as they please.

    have you forgotten why ‘we’ had to go there in the first place?!

    have you forgotten about Osama Bin Laden?

    Have you forgotten about Khalid Shaikh Mohammed?!

    3000 Americans were slaughtered in fireballs or died horrifically in buildings that were deliberately destroyed on 9/11, by cynical psychopaths who planned on using these people’s deaths to get fantastically wealthy, and also as a pretext for Eternal Wars for Israel. People are still dying from the vaporized steel and concrete and asbestos they were forced to breath. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis and others, who were murdered as a result of Osama’s pure evil.

    And you would have us ‘leave them alone’, after what they’ve done?!

    When Pat Tillman realized what Afghanistan had done, a federal assassin put three M16 bullets into his forehead at close range.

  75. Seneca44 says:
    @El Dato

    “This is a Vietnam situation, just with more aridity.”

    Seems like that in multiple ways. Remember post-Vietnam stagflation in 1970’s and early ’80’s? Current administration and Fed Reserve seem to be actively trying to reproduce it. Maybe the wealthy like high unemployment with cheap labor and high interest rates where you can park your money in a bank and make 15% or more, but the quality of the life for us plebes will continue to deteriorate.

  76. Seneca44 says:
    @Priss Factor

    These guys make ARVN look like Seal Team 6!

  77. Adûnâi says: • Website

    > “First, they conquer the countryside…”

    Mao Tse-Tung’s Revolutionary Strategy and Peking’s International Behavior
    © Tang Tsou and Morton H. Halperin
    https://sci-hub.do/https://www.jstor.org/stable/1976122

    [MORE]

    As his grand strategy, he evolved the concept of surrounding the cities from the countryside. Concerning the duration of his revolution, he formulated the doctrine of protracted war. Concerning the form of military operations, he developed a doctrine of guerrilla warfare and its gradual transformation into mobile warfare. In military tactics, he followed the idea of retreat and dispersal of forces to avoid defeat, but concentration of forces to win battles of quick decision. As his objective on the battlefield, he subordinated the aim of defending or gaining territory to the goal of annihilating the enemy’s effective strength and preserving his own forces. For evaluating the decisive factor in military success, he advanced the notion of the importance of men over weapons. For appraising the strength of the enemy, he proposed the principle that with regard to each particular struggle the Communists should not underestimate their enemies, while with regard to the whole situation the Communists should not overestimate them. He stressed the need to combine prudence with the revolutionary spirit. To avert irreversible defeat, he turned the united front doctrine into a rationale for seeking peace with the Kuomintang. To expand his influence while avoiding an all-out conflict, he practiced limited war. To transform military gains into legitimate authority, he sought political settlement through negotiations in a favorable climate of opinion created by astute propaganda and a moderate political program.

  78. Bro43rd says:
    @RoatanBill

    Preaching to the choir bro! If I vote at all it’s to vote against someone. I will admit I did vote in the R primary 2008 & 2012 for Ron Paul but he got Ross Perot’d by the establishment.

  79. SafeNow says:

    What’s the truth about the “translators”? Is this just a cover story – – i.e., a small percent were highly educated simultaneous interpreters, but most were dishwashers, or whatever. If they are coming to my street, I would like to know which will be my neighbor.

  80. You lost me at blitzkrieg, Pablo. I didn’t realize the Taliban had an airforce and panzer corps. Weren’t they already there just hiding in bushes?

    Oh…wait, my bad. You are really excited about this news. Of course you are.

    • Replies: @Flaneur
  81. @RoatanBill

    “I knew he was a con man when he did next to nothing for 4 years but tweet about himself being harassed by the Democrats.”

    Shame on You RoatanBill. Go here and EDUCATE YOURSELF.

    https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

    [MORE]

    Trump did more than any of our last 10 Presidents combined. He was a damn workhorse. He did not drink or smoke. He was a very principled man. He worked! He got up every morning at 4:30 am and worked till 11:00 pm every damn day. And he did his work in the most unfair, caustic, horribly unbalanced, fake news environment ….any president has ever faced. He was surrounded by swamp creatures (republicans and democrats alike) all hissing and clicking behind his back…plotting and scheming his demise.

    Supreme Court Justice, Brett Kavanaugh experienced 1 week of this vicious media onslaught during his confirmation hearings. It reduced him to a pile of heaving flesh, crying like a damn child on national TV. Trump lived in this shit for 4 Years….nonstop. (4 x 52 = 208 Weeks). He was bulletproof, unflappable, and absolutely resolute in his mission to save America.

    What is incredible about this man, is he did it all for FREE. Trump worked 4 Years for FREE. He literally signed over his 400,000.00 annual salary back to the American People. No President, in the history of America, has ever done this. Is Biden doing this? Did Obama do this??
    So when you say, “I knew he was a con man…”….What exactly do you mean RoatanBill??? Give me an example of his Con????

    Keep in mind, the deep swamp activated the FBI and the DOJ to go after Trump and his family. For four years they investigated absolutely everything and FOUND NOTHING. It was an absolute illegal witch hunt, carried out by corrupt partisan hacks. And nothing was found on this great man, nor his family. So they implement a four-year-long smear campaign in which all of the MSM smeared this man nightly. With disgusting, untrue, horribly biased PROPAGANDA.

    When all of that still failed to destroy the popularity of Trump, the socialist Democrats release a Bio-Weapon, Destroyed the economy, forced the need for mail-in-ballots, and then stole the 2020 election with the collusion of Big Tech and all of the Mainstream Media. But they could not rest there. Trump had 80 Million devout citizens who adored him. So they had to absolutely silence a sitting president. They censored our President. They deleted his Twitter account. They deleted his Facebook account. They immediately started a media black-out of zero coverage for Trump. Every Publishing house joined forces to block any Tell All Book from President Trump. Then every media outlet was then and is still, to this day, forbidden to speak of election fraud.

    Trump’s only flaw for me was he was being enmeshed with the Jews and Pro-Israel. But no US Politician…NO ONE will ever become POTUS without having a track record of supporting Israel. It is part of the game. You cannot fight this, for the Jews control all of the Media and millions in campaign contributions. Further, his own daughter was married to Jared Kushner. What father would destroy his beloved daughter’s happiness by being Anti-Semitic???

    Trump did more than any other President in history. Only ignorant sheep with brains infected by 4 long years of partisan PROPAGANDA would say otherwise.

    What I find really sad is that America had an absolutely stunningly beautiful supermodel as our “First Lady”. Melania Trump was an elegant woman; highly educated, spoke five languages and was a legitimate Super Model. And all she received was smear campaign after smear campaign. Oh but Michelle Obama, a hideous “Gorilla in the Mist” creature, who finally revealed herself, as a race hustling piece of shit (thoroughly ugly on the inside) ….got glowing reviews; her manly figure pasted on every magazine cover for all 8 years of the corrupt Obama Presidency. All the rage was how Michelle Obama had toned arms. What a damn joke.

    Trump created 500 businesses, some of the most beautiful hotels in the world, Was the megastar for 15 Seasons of “The Apprentice”, raised a beautiful accomplished family, and was married to a damn supermodel and was the most effective President of the United States EVER.

    What Have you Done???? I find that most Beta Men and Soy boys…absolutely hate Trump – A damn workhorse of an Alpha Male that stepped up for America when she needed him most. He has my vote in 2024.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  82. Flaneur says:
    @Johnny Rico

    They do have Toyota pickups, which are even more mobile than Panzer divisions. No Stukas, but perhaps by now a few drones.

  83. Rich says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Bomb the 3 gorges dam? Can you imagine the death and destruction that would cause to the civilian population? Are you insane? I’m not sure what killing millions of civilians has to do with setting up a defensive perimeter somewhere near Kabul and keeping the Taliban at bay, preventing the inevitable murders and rapes that would follow their victory. Except, perhaps, somewhere in your twisted mind. Re-read what I wrote, slowly this time, maybe mouth the words and maybe you’ll understand better. Okay?

  84. gotmituns says:
    @Rurik

    If you believe the lousy fedgov fable about what cause the twin towers to go down, then I’ve got a bride to sell you. Alright, you seem like a good guy, I’ll throw in the Manhattan bridge, no extra charge.

    • LOL: Justrambling
    • Replies: @Badger Down
  85. ricpic says:

    So what did the Deep State get out of its twenty one year adventure in Afghanistan other than billions for the Military Industrial Complex?

  86. ricpic says:
    @Old and Grumpy

    I’ll let you in on a little secret: the people who have pets, cats or dogs, WANT to be owned by their pet. That’s right, the pet OWNs the owner and that’s what the human WANTS.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  87. @Rich

    Bomb the 3 gorges dam? Can you imagine the death and destruction that would cause to the civilian population? Are you insane?

    I have seen multiple times just that proposal posted up by your fellow Americans on sites other than UR. People who protested were referred to as “chink lovers” etc.
    Americans unwilling to relinquish murderous foreign adventure, like those who think that even now Afghan could be “saved” by bombing yet more Afghans.

    People like you, Rich, in short.
    Of course in your view it’s not yet more slaughter/damage by yet more MOABs/drones on wedding parties etc, it’s “keeping the Taliban at bay”.

    Readers may themselves judge wherein lies the insanity.

    • Replies: @Rich
  88. Mycale says:

    It is obvious that the Taliban is the legitimate leadership of Afghanistan, by the only metric that matters in the end – that of force. By definition, that makes the USA and its puppet regime illegitimate. This is probably not news to most of the people reading this. I want no part of that place. I have no conception of what it is like to live and rule in that rugged and difficult land, and based on the last 20 years, not many other people in Washington DC do either. I say let the Taliban rule it the way they see fit, it is none of my concern.

  89. @Rurik

    Are you really this stupid? Have you been living under a rock????? Israel and our own CIA, Military, and MSM colluded in 9/11. It was beyond a shadow of a doubt, a gigantic False Flag operation.

    Educate yourself:

    The Great American Psy-Opera – By Ace Baker:

    Go to Unz.com and read. Tons of information supporting, no planes and Israeli Mossad.

    https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-911-conspiracy-theories/?highlight=9%2F11+Mossad

    • Replies: @Rurik
  90. @Mike Fridelle

    No president can take credit for an economic boom because they occur in cycles triggered by Fed largess. The lead and lag time for booms and recessions are years in the making. Should one be president when a boom occurs, that is taking credit for something he had little to no input in. The Fed controls economic cycles.

    Trump’s tax cut was accompanied by his overflowing support for increased military spending so the murderers in uniform could do a better job of killing people and destroying infrastructure around the planet more efficiently. Any tax cut was offset by more deficit spending that made each tax payer liable for an increased debt. He heaped lots of money the US can’t afford to spend on that shithole Israel and even had a section of territory named after him.

    As far as deregulation goes, I don’t recall him wanting to eliminate the dept of education, dump home land security, reduce the military, or in any substantive way reduce the size of the Fed Gov.

    Trump’s trade war with China was constructed on a lie and was a complete flop. The Chinese didn’t steal any technology, US corporation eagerly relocated plant, equipment and intellectual property to China for their lower labor costs. During his ridiculous trade tiff with China, China’s exports to the US rose and US exports to China fell. One hell of a deal.

    The Shale Oil Miracle is a giant fraud. It’s petering out now and caused major environmental damage by pumping chemicals into the ground that have a proprietary formula. The oil and gas that was recovered as a result isn’t economic and the producers in the space are going bust because it was never economically viable.

    Any investment in workers was done with borrowed money which just adds to the debt. Taking currency out of one pocket to put it in the other pocket is a flimflam.

    Trump was caught flat footed when the virus hit. His response was to allow Big Pharma to bamboozle the nation with a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested and has now been shown to have numerous problems. He wasn’t smart enough to see the whole thing isn’t a pandemic with it’s miserly death rate and he kept Mr. Science around and never fired his ass. That’s to be expected of Trump because he made the absolute worst hires imaginable, revitalizing the neocon image.

    Great healthcare for Americans is a joke. The US ranks 37th in healthcare and has the highest healthcare costs in the world. All he did was further enable the insurance industry and big pharma to keep ripping off the population.
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world

    Remaking the Federal judiciary is another joke. What he should have done is called those black robed assholes out for what they are. A rubber stamp for anything congress wants and they even refused to hear any case that might have shown the 2020 election was a giant fraud.

    Trump’s wall was a stupid idea from day one. It does nothing to eliminate the illegals that fly in on commercial airlines after providing them with legitimate visas. In 4 years, the wall never emerged to cover the border and where it did get built, the illegals quickly went over, under or around it. Had he set up machine guns on the border and killed a few hundred then he might have stopped the flow. As commander in chief, he could have put troops on the border but decided to let them stay in the ME to help out his buddies the Israelis.

    American leadership abroad amounted to bullying countries that are supposed to be US allies. Nord Stream 2 got built and is now coming on line despite his unwarranted attempts to stop it. What he did on that project was shameful and interfered in the affairs of the Europeans for no good reason.

    Trump shoved more money into the murderers in the military than anyone of late and even authorized a new space force to waste more money. What a jerk.

    I could go on, but you get the general idea. For every achievement under the Trump regime, I can find the holes. He was a con man operating as a con man. All he did was demonstrate his expertise in bankruptcy court by pushing the country closer to insolvency, and for that I do thank him to end the US empire.

    • Agree: Mulga Mumblebrain
    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Joe Levantine
  91. Rurik says:
    @RoatanBill

    Rand Paul is auditioning for at least the VP slot right now, or maybe he thinks he should lead the ticket.

    pretty good audition, if you ask me

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  92. Rurik says:
    @Mike Fridelle

    Have you been living under a rock????? Israel and our own CIA, Military, and MSM colluded in 9/11. It was beyond a shadow of a doubt, a gigantic False Flag operation.

    Oh great

    so now the next time Iran threatens us all, and tries to sink an Israeli (our greatest ally ever!) controlled freighter, I suppose we’re all supposed to look the other way, and pretend that it wasn’t Iran that did it, because we’re too cowardly to send our sons and daughters to die for Israel!

    I guess six million just wasn’t enough for some anti-Semites!

    Iran is inches away from a bomb that will incinerate the entire ZUS of A!

    They hate our freedom! Don’t you get that?! Even after (((9/11))) !

    If they can make buildings (WTC Seven) collapse into their basements at free-fall speed, like they were wired for a controlled demolition!, then are you going to allow Iran to build even more bombs?!!

    Damn it! I just don’t understand why people allow themselves to be fooled by these terrorists.

    They dragged us into both World Wars. They destroyed Europe and are destroying North America as fast as you can say ((Covid/BML/La Raza/Big Tech/wokeness)). And yet still ! Still the American people refuse to die for Israel and bomb Iran! (and then Lebanon and then Russia and then the rest of the anti-Semites who refuse! to bow down to god’s chosen people!)

    Damn it!

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  93. @Rurik

    I don’t trust him. He’s just an opportunist radiating in the glow of Ron Paul, a man that accomplished next to nothing but took his congressional paycheck for decades. Like Ron, he mouths off to make a name for himself but would be just as useless as Trump should he get into the oval office. The deep state runs the country. Auditioning for one of the actor slots is just theater for the rubes that vote and shows he’s willing to sell his morality for the limelight and fortune to be made. Just ask Obama.

    If you still believe in the cult of personality of any of the swine that wants to rule over you, then you are a willing slave.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  94. Rurik says:
    @RoatanBill

    For every achievement under the Trump regime, I can find the holes.

    he was flawed, to be sure

    but he saved us all from this

    and for that, (his greatest accomplishment), I for one will always be greatful to Donald J. Trump

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @anon
  95. Agent76 says:

    Jul 8, 2021 Return of the Taliban: What next for Afghanistan? A question of not if but when?

    The Taliban continue to gain ground ahead of the final withdrawal of US-led forces from Afghanistan, so much so that former military commanders predict the fall of Kabul within months.

    September 4, 2010 The Imperial Anatomy of Al-Qaeda. The CIA’s Drug-Running Terrorists and the “Arc of Crisis”

    Part 1 examines the origins of the intelligence network known as the Safari Club, which financed and organized an international conglomerate of terrorists, the CIA’s role in the global drug trade, the emergence of the Taliban and the origins of al-Qaeda.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-imperial-anatomy-of-al-qaeda-the-cia-s-drug-running-terrorists-and-the-arc-of-crisis/20907

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  96. Rurik says:
    @RoatanBill

    If you still believe in the cult of personality of any of the swine that wants to rule over you, then you are a willing slave

    If I say I prefer Rand Paul to Liz Cheney, does that mean I’m under the messianic thrall of a ‘cult of personality’?

    Saying I prefer him to a demon, makes me a kind of starry-eyed groupie?

    Rand Paul is not his dad, and you’re right, he has an opportunistic streak, and I’ve noticed that he’ll even tell lies, if he thinks it’s politically expedient to do so.

    But in the great scheme of things, he has demonstrated that he has the best character of any of the field of swine who wants to rule over us.

    If it were between Rand Paul vs. Kamala, (or Liz or Mitt or whomever) well then R.B., I’d take the time to get off my arse, and vote in the next rigged election.

    Not because I would make the difference by doing so, but because to do nothing, when the stakes are that high, would be for me unthinkable.

  97. @Rurik

    I’ll agree that Hillary would probably have been worse than Trump by starting another war, so Trump was the lesser of two evils.

    Trump did lock Hillary up and he did end the wars in the ME and brought all the troops home like he promised on the campaign trail, didn’t he? Oh, wait, he didn’t. Just another lying sack of shit.

    The state-or, to make the matter more concrete, the government-consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office. Their principal device to that end is to search out groups who pant and pine for something they can’t get, and to promise to give it to them. Nine times out of ten that promise is worth nothing. The tenth time it is made good by looting A to satisfy B. In other words, government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods.
    H. L. Mencken

    [T]he quaint old forms-elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of nonviolent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial . . . Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.
    Aldous Huxley

    • Replies: @Miro23
  98. @Rurik

    If I say I prefer Rand Paul to Liz Cheney, does that mean I’m under the messianic thrall of a ‘cult of personality’?

    Yes.

    Saying I prefer him to a demon, makes me a kind of starry-eyed groupie?

    Yes.

    If it were between Rand Paul vs. Kamala, (or Liz or Mitt or whomever) well then R.B., I’d take the time to get off my arse, and vote in the next rigged election.

    I wouldn’t. I don’t want to give my stamp of approval to a process and to individuals that are all corrupt. By voting, you provide the aura of respectability the entire system needs to survive. You apparently want a leader, someone to tell you how to live your life and back it up with the threat of force. I prefer to be rid of them and therefore won’t cooperate in their scam elections knowing that nothing changes from one regime to the next.

    The basic problem is quite simple. An elected representative is not tied in any substantial way to particular policies, whatever the preferences of the electorate. Influence on the politician is greatest at the time of election. Once elected, the representative is released from popular control but continues to be exposed to powerful pressure groups, especially corporations, state bureaucracies and political party power brokers.
    Brian Martin

    • Replies: @Rurik
  99. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    Not because I would make the difference by doing so, but because to do nothing, when the stakes are that high, would be for me unthinkable.

    So no matter how futile…do something.

    Perhaps doing something with a chance of working is in order. Elections are not it…too late the Deep State is almost in total control.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  100. Neither the United States nor its European thugs, nor Pakistan that is neither with God nor with the devil, even neither Russia nor China has anything to do with the matter and only to help, the solution is only for the Afghan people.
    Or we will see another two decades murdering Afghan civilians as the sport of choice for white western politicians. And if someone intrudes, they have the courage to fight armed men and not murder civilians as hostages to their impunity.

  101. They could all kill each other over in Sandland and the world would be a better place for it. Ditto all demoshits, elected and “elected.” Ditto neocon monsters. Ditto deep-shit state. Ditto the 18 “security agencies” of which none protect the border.

    Apologize to the nearest \$100 bill: “Sorry Ben, we couldn’t keep it.”

  102. @gotmituns

    I didn’t call the place a cesspool, just quoting someone who did. Even then, my sarcasm seems totally lost on you.

  103. Rurik says:
    @RoatanBill

    You apparently want a leader, someone to tell you how to live your life and back it up with the threat of force. I prefer to be rid of them and therefore won’t cooperate in their scam elections knowing that nothing changes from one regime to the next.

    I don’t have a leader. I follow my own path, and always have.

    But the ‘nation’, such as it is, that I find myself in, has the remnants of a political system that still, nominally operates as such. Corrupt and criminal and outrageously pernicious in foreign affairs, and increasingly, domestic.

    Will it make any difference if the American people go out in droves in 2022, and vote out the ‘woke’ House Democrats, and soundly repudiate ‘wokeness’?

    Perhaps, perhaps not. But I wouldn’t begrudge them for attempting to do so. Their children’s well-being very much depends on it. Should they all just stay home, and allow the minions of ‘wokeness’ to get re-elected in a landslide triumph, because they have given up on the system?

    What kind of world would that leave to their children and grandchildren?

    I understand yours and people’s disgust and contempt for the corrupt system, and at a certain point, would agree that voting and otherwise participating is too ignoble to subject one’s self to anymore.

    But on that day, I would say that the decent and honorable people of the United States, then must take to other methods to save their children from depraved subjugation.

    Methods like the Taliban has used. Methods that will make them bleed.

    But I would not advise people to resort to those methods, yet.

    When they come for the guns, then. Yes. Then. Until then, vote, and prepare…

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  104. @gotmituns

    Of course traitors are traitors but why should they be killed if it isn’t necessary? An Afghan traitor in the USA is a harmless person exhibiting US values.

    An Afghan traitor in Afghanistan is a completely different thing, rather like a US traitor in the USA. What harm could a US traitor do if he lived in Afghanistan? [email protected]

  105. Rurik says:
    @Realist

    So no matter how futile…do something.

    • Replies: @Realist
  106. @gotmituns

    What is your price for one bride?

  107. @Rurik

    When they put ‘None of the above’ on the ballot and ‘None of the above’ has the possibility of winning the election is when I’ll vote. Till then, any vote is to sustain the corrupt status quo and as such is slow suicide.

  108. Realist says:
    @Rurik

    Thanks for making my case.

  109. Rich says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    So let me get this straight, when you read a comment, you don’t read the actual words, you create a strawman to make some weird comment about committing mass murder against a different country? You’re certifiable McBride, certifiable. I recommend going down to the nhs office and see if they can help.

  110. anon[226] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    I’ll add:

    Trump had many mistakes but still
    the best man to occupy the White House.

    Got rid of the Clintons and Bushes.

    Who else would have gone to N Korea?

    Who else has ever faced, fought against a bigger enemy?

    Trump will win for third time in 2024.
    Possible VP – DeSantis.
    Rand – Secty of State.
    Bring in Ron Paul to run Treasury and Fed.

    American democracy is a fake like its news except when Trump is possible.

    5 dancing shlomos

  111. anon[400] • Disclaimer says:

    USA most likely has pivoted to the idea that no one can have Afghanistan ,if it cant have it . So its next course of action is to use ISIS, warlords ,and Ghani’s corrupt underlings to create a Syria tyoe situation . USA would try to harass Kabul and also neighboring China ,Iran,and underbelly of Russia .
    Here lies the interest of India to ally with Taliban and prevent this jihadist from using American patronage to carry the mission to Kashmir as quid pro quo . Jihadist will not spare India and will keep itself restricted to American sanctioned targets .

    Can Taliban show that it is different from its 1996 versions ? It has already by gathering suppoprts from non Pashtun groups.

    Can Pakistan prevent a Taliban take over of its own poltical ssytem ?
    These possibilities mean that India China Pakistan Iran Taliban and Russia have to hold the nose and agree for the non – interfernce and also chart out a path to economic integrations of all countries concerned .

  112. @RoatanBill

    actually, he did a lot…. for Israel

  113. All our precious soldiers died for nothing. Nothing. No-thing what-so-ever. Nothing. Nothing.

    Just like Vietnam.

    Join the Army. Be a man. A dead man.

  114. @Rurik

    So why don’t you bomb Hamburg and Florida? Even according to the official account that’s where the attacks were planned and prepared.

    Why don’t you ask why the Bush regime refused to provide evidence of bin Laden’s guilt when the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial if evidence was provided?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  115. @anon

    The Modi regime is a slave of Amerikastan and will never dare do anything to annoy it. On top of which the Modi regine is committed to the idea that the Taliban are either “Pakistan controlled” or just “Pakistanis”.

  116. @RoatanBill

    There is a “none of the above” option in India, which was included at the insistence of the Supreme Court and over the united objections of all the political parties (why, I wonder? Surely they want the democratic will of the people to be expressed, don’t they??). In any case, there’s no provision for the election to be done over with different candidates if “none of the above” wins, so it’s pointless anyway.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  117. Biff says:
    @Rich

    If the US provides air support and the Kabul government military is able to stand firm, it’s still possible for them to fight the Taliban to a standstill.

    Pure ugly liberalism. Always trying to impose your will on others as if you have a better way. Many don’t believe you have a better way, and chances are you really do suck worse. Go home and stay home.

    • Disagree: Rich
  118. Miro23 says:
    @RoatanBill

    Thanks for that Aldous Huxley quote (“Brave New World” 1958). So 64 years ago he knew exactly how it works:

    [T]he quaint old forms-elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of nonviolent totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial . . . Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and its highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.

    Aldous Huxley

    The issue is “running the show as they see fit”.

    Different totalitarian regimes have different social arrangements. Hitler’s Germany was one type, Stalin’s Soviet Union another and Xi Jinping’s China a further variant.

    Hitler and Xi were/are ethnic nationalists aiming to further the social and economic development of their people. Stalin’s priority was to protect his personal power and run the Soviet Union like a military camp.

    In contrast, US totalitarianism comprises a satanic Jewish elite promoting decadence (what the Weimar Germans called the “Hellish Carnival”) while wholesale looting the place. The closest parallel is in fact Weimar Germany – now trending into violent Neo Bolshevism (both historic Jewish run projects).

    For the public, this is the worst of combinations. Not only do they lose their freedom (arbitrary arrests) but they are also seriously impoverished and their families and social structure are wrecked. In the 1920’s, Weimar Germany and Bolshevik Russia became horror show spectacles for the world, and now the USA is doing the same.

    It’s clear that the US public aren’t going to be saved by any democratic or legal process (now completely subverted and fake) or by the intervention of outside powers – so if they’re going to survive they need to (quite soon) organize themselves and fight Civil War II.

    • Agree: Zarathustra
    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  119. @Rurik

    Rurik, could you clarify something?
    One-word answer please.
    Who did 911: “israel” or Iran or Osama?

    • Replies: @Zarathustra
    , @Rurik
  120. @Carlton Meyer

    I remain of the view that the Taliban should announce/enforce an amnesty i.e. forgiveness for all those collaborators. They were only being paid to work for the country’s rulers.

    That would quickly end the conflict, and earn them worldwide praise.

  121. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    The rule should be that if ‘None of the above’ wins the election, the office goes vacant for the natural duration until the next election. If the political parties can’t field a candidate that the people can vote for, then no one should get the job.

    In the case of the vegetable in chief in the oval office now, I think it would be an improvement to have the Presidency vacant instead of a drooling idiot.

  122. anon[369] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rurik

    Thanks for the pics.
    Clean shaven OBL and KS Muhammad.
    Wearing Euro suits with ties.

    Evil bastards in \$5000 suits.

    5 dancing shlomos

    • Thanks: Rurik
  123. @Badger Down

    All you have to do is ask yourself who benefited. (Eternal Roman Law.)

  124. @Miro23

    I agree a fight is needed, but I disagree on using violence. The gov’t has an incredible edge if physical force is used because they have the scum of the earth police and military to ‘enforce the law’ and they’ll create whatever laws they want to guarantee that the average person gets killed in a fight. Using violence gives the gov’t the cover to reply in kind, at least.

    The people need to simply stop cooperating. What’s needed is a national strike to shut down everything with a demand that the gov’t in DC be disbanded completely eliminating the concept of a ‘United States of America’. The Fed Gov is the primary problem. It needs to disappear like a bad smell without the violence, death and destruction an armed conflict would surely entail.

    The US is roughly split 50/50 on what policy should be. If 50% sat down and refused to do their job, everything would grind to a halt and the other 50% wouldn’t be able to do anything about it. It would bring the issue to a head and secession talks, at a minimum, would result. Better yet would be the elimination of the Fed Gov entirely since it’s been a detrimental force since at least the 1960’s.

    The current insanity surrounding Covid and the push to create second class citizens via medical passport should be enough to get the jab non compliant to cripple the economy by simply front running the gov’t threat of no jab, no work, no school, etc by quitting en masse and thus sending the signal that without them, there is no economy. It’s essentially voting with your feet, or more accurately, voting with your ass by just sitting on it and having the Fed Gov go ape shit trying to come up with a response. They couldn’t cover up such a massive ‘no confidence’ vote and no one has to die to send the message.

    • Replies: @Realist
  125. @Agent76

    Who would have imagined that the Taliban could be so politically correct as to wear masks out in the open. For fucks sake!

  126. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Asking a culture of revenge not to engage in its cultural DNA is foolish. You and I know how this will end.

    • Replies: @Ann Nonny Mouse
  127. @RoatanBill

    Great summary of Trump’s presidency.

    “Trump was caught flat footed when the virus hit. His response was to allow Big Pharma to bamboozle the nation with a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested and has now been shown to have numerous problems. He wasn’t smart enough to see the whole thing isn’t a pandemic with it’s miserly death rate and he kept Mr. Science around and never fired his ass.”

    Trump was concerned, and rightly so, that the plandemic was meant among other things to finish him off politically. But to be fair, he was the only Western leader to have supported the use of Hydroxychloroquine which French world authority on viral diseases Dr. Didier Raoult proved to be an efficient cure for the man made disease.

    Also, Trump did cancel TTIP and TPP which would have devastated the American working class more than NAFTA.

    He also saved the US and the world from the Clinton ghouls.

    Norwegian Professor Yohan Galtung claimed that Trump did the right things for the wrong reasons, meaning his prime concern was getting re-elected. That might be true, but looking at the side of the cup that is full, I would speculate that the world changing plandemic would have hit the world a couple of years earlier if we had a Clinton administration.

    But lo and behold, Trump was the perfect Shabbos goy just like any other President after JFK.

    Truth of the matter, no President can pull it off for the USA. This country is firmly under the thumb of the deep state/ Zionist alliance and nothing short of an unlikely miracle like a popular revolution will change the fact.

    That leaves the Phoenix option as the only hope for ZUSA.

  128. @RoatanBill

    Bull’s eye. But any count that shows 50% or more ‘ No Preference’ should be considered null and void with another vote to follow. Let the American people fight for this option in every so called democracy. But then who’s to guarantee that the count is fair.

    In elections I have witnessed in third world countries, there is a paper trail that is tallied by each district under the supervision of all competing parties. I think that should give the American public a start at tackling the electronic cheating in vote counts.

    The only democratic model is the Swiss one for it is based on high decentralisation and the right of people to challenge the laws promulgated by the legislative branch through plebiscites. This right had been used successfully twice by the Swiss this year to circumvent Covid laws.

    As long as the federal government is gaining more power expect less democracy.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  129. @Joe Levantine

    If the people vote for ‘None of the above’, that’s not the same as ‘No preference’. The vote FOR ‘none of the above’ should be respected and the office goes vacant for the duration of the term an office holder would have it.

    The Swiss have a direct democracy of sorts, not the bullshit representative kind. Although I think voting for your masters is idiotic, to make voting work reliably is quite simple and could be implemented in a week.

    Using the last presidential election as an example, give the major Internet sales companies like Amazon, Walmart, etc the ability to sell, for \$1, a product known as Trump or Biden. Allow people to purchase the product of their choice. Credit card receipts would represent the paper trail in a card holders monthly statement. Credit card companies already have all the contact information and gov’t records could be cross referenced to make sure only US citizens could vote. Those found cheating could be discovered via computer algorithms. Holders of multiple credit cards voting more than once could be discovered easily.

    The voting period could be 1 day because weather, intimidation, etc can’t be a factor since each person is voting from home or their place of employment. There would be no pollsters or the media trying to manipulate the outcome. I could flesh out more of the process, but this is the general idea.

  130. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    The people need to simply stop cooperating. What’s needed is a national strike to shut down everything with a demand that the gov’t in DC be disbanded completely eliminating the concept of a ‘United States of America’. The Fed Gov is the primary problem. It needs to disappear like a bad smell without the violence, death and destruction an armed conflict would surely entail.

    The US is roughly split 50/50 on what policy should be. If 50% sat down and refused to do their job, everything would grind to a halt and the other 50% wouldn’t be able to do anything about it.

    I agree with the essence of your solution, but to believe there is nothing that could be done to halt a nationwide strike is somewhat naive. The power elite could have their goons shoot strikers, at random, in the head…surreptitiously or overtly. Consider what has transpired over the last few years at the direction of the Deep State. It is not much of a stretch to invasion random killings. This would cause most to rethink their strike efforts.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  131. @Realist

    A strike doesn’t necessarily mean people marching around. It could mean people simply staying home and not showing up for work. My advice is sit on your ass and watch the economy grind to a halt on TV. If enough people do this, the havoc it would cause to businesses of all sizes would be considerable and reporting on it even from the MSM would have to follow. It would be too big to try to silence it.

    Even if brain dead, order following, human weapons platforms were to be unleashed on marching strikers, don’t you think that in and of itself would start a war? Seeing people just holding signs and marching around being killed or brutalized by the human shit in gov’t uniforms would undoubtedly get a reaction.

    The idea is to do things intelligently as opposed to violently. Any violence should be initiated by gov’t thugs. Resisters should not resort to violence as that invites reprisal and the MSM would, of course, slant the reporting so that the resisters were to blame totally. Given the ubiquity of cameras and independent reporters, the truth of any conflict would be on video and that video had better reveal that the gov’t goons started it so that people realize what kind of gov’t they have.

    • Replies: @Realist
  132. @ricpic

    Dogs have owners, cats have servants. There’s a reason most cat lovers are female, something that Alphas and Sigmas get.

  133. Realist says:

    The idea is to do things intelligently as opposed to violently.

    Agreed, I am just so distrustful of government that I feel nothing is beyond them. But a nationwide strike is worth a try. I agree that a face-to-face physical confrontation with government goons is suicidal.

  134. @RoatanBill

    It is an interesting idea to have the credit cards companies tally the vote though I am afraid that the private sector cannot be trusted with such a mission as the big social media companies have demonstrated during the last election.

    With blockchain technology things should be harder for cheaters. But I am always wary of technology for we never can tell what the latest innovation is capable of.

    No matter the way of voting, what is more relevant is decentralisation on a big scale were communities can have totally contradictory rules with respect to social matters without any community trying to enforce its standards upon other communities like the way it happened during the civil rights movements when northern Jews went into Southern states bent on social engineering.

    A nation should have a unified foreign and defence policy but for the rest every region should be free to legislate under a combination of representative and direct democracy.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  135. @Joe Levantine

    My professional background is as an operating systems developer. I also have an EE degree. I know what’s possible and real versus the bullshit in the software space. There is no accountability in social media. When you get into simple arithmetic, there is nothing but accountability.

    Notice I described a full circle transaction. The monthly accounting statement sent to the card holder can’t be fudged, no matter the instruction from some complicit cretin to the programming staff to try to do so. It is simply impossible because 2+2 always equals 4. To ask the programming staff to somehow throw the election would mean trying to make 2+2 equal 5. It can’t be done without an audit trail that screams fraud.

    I seriously doubt you could find a team of developers that would even attempt to go along with instructions to throw the vote. All the people I’ve ever met in the development world are down to earth logical people that simply will not comply with bogus instructions because they know that it’s impossible, never mind immoral. Programmers are the most logical and sane people you’re ever going to meet. Their entire existence is based upon absolutely pure logic. Mistakes get made and systems have bugs, but to attempt to get developers to purposely fuck up a system is a fools errand. They will not comply because they know that out the other end will come an audit trail IN CODE that will hang them, if for no other reason.

    • Thanks: Joe Levantine
  136. @Quartermaster

    The US should have never gone in – in the first place. If the real reason was to get Bin Laden – then it was a criminal matter. Bin Laden represented no state. But rather than work with others to flush him out – they decided to invade a country that he wasnt even a citizen of. Again – if the real reason was to get him. In any event – there are repercussions. Except for Ron Paul – I heard no US politicians speak out against it (but then again I dont watch US cable news). There will always be intended consequences when you do things with wrong motives. Just pulling out if Iraq and Afghanistan isnt going to fix the newly created problems.

  137. Rurik says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Bush regime refused to provide evidence of bin Laden’s guilt when the Taliban offered to hand him over for trial if evidence was provided?

    because there was (and is) no evidence.

    Even the FBI admits this.

    A fake CIA video isn’t evidence of anything, other than the mendacity of the CIA

  138. Rurik says:
    @Badger Down

    Rurik, could you clarify something?

    saying it was “Israel”, is a bit over simplistic.

    But saying it was elements within the Israeli government and Mossad, along with the CIA and FBI and elements within the Bush administration and the Western ((media)), pretty much covers it. Tony Bliar and co. was certainly complicit as well, as Perfidious always is.

    Basically the same PTB who perpetrated the cowardly attack on the USS Liberty.

    Only a generation later.

  139. Realist says:
    @RoatanBill

    The idea is to do things intelligently as opposed to violently.

    Agreed, I am just so distrustful of government that I feel nothing is beyond them. But a nationwide strike is worth a try. I agree that a face-to-face physical confrontation with government goons is suicidal.

  140. Mylesman says:

    I was listening to retired General Jack Keene tonight who said Afghanistan has value to the US for strategic reasons. He also admits the US strayed off course with misguided “nation building”.

    I admire the general who is heads and shoulders above the corrupt Austin/Miley pin heads masquerading as warriors today. Nonetheless Keene is wrong about Afghanistan’s value to the US.

    It’s past time to pull the plug and let the local players try to salvage this train wreck. This is Bush’s screw up, and like Iraq he screwed it up beyond redemption. This doesn’t mean Biden should get any credit for our pathetic exit. He’s more corrupt than the war lords and not nearly as bright.

    The clock finally ran out on Afghanistan, thank God.

  141. @Rich

    They imagined the death and destruction that would cause and they get a raging hard-on. That will show that insectoid subhuman race who is God’s favorite children.

    This isn’t insanity. This is human nature.

    The vulnerability was precisely why Mao shot down the idea of building that damned dam when he was still alive. But the next generation of CCP leaders were all engineers and they can’t resist the temptation.

  142. augusto says:
    @kali

    what s your problem with the quantity – yes, quantity – of gods a person or a culture or a historical peoples worship in the last 12000 years?

    • Replies: @kali
  143. @InnerCynic

    Your supposed “culture of revenge” is way off the mark. Look at the one that trumpets “justice” but shouts, “An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” etc etc, and teaches its little children to hate anyone of different culture to their own. Their “justice” means revenge.

    A Person whom Islam acknowledges to be one of its prophets taught that forgiveness, not revenge, is key.

    Let the Taliban forgive, and the conflict is ended.

  144. anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Pharaoh

    1-Authorities detained Coleman at the border checkpoint, where during an interview with an FBI agent he said “he was receiving visions and signs revealing that his wife, AC, possessed serpent DNA and had passed it on to his children”, according to the affidavit. Coleman said he knew what he did was wrong, according to the court documents, 2-but that “it was the only course of action to save the world”.

    The FBI has long warned of QAnon’s potential to inspire violence. It first warned that QAnon and other conspiracy theories would probably inspire “domestic extremists” to carry out violence in May 2019. In a June bulletin to members of Congress, the agency noted that the fact3– that the conspiracy theory’s many predictions had not come true could create a feeling of “obligation” among adherents to engage in violence.

    [MORE]

    4–Coleman’s statement about “serpent DNA” may be a reference to the “lizard people” conspiracy theory, popularized by the prominent British conspiracist David Icke, which falsely asserts that many powerful people are actually reptilian aliens that look like humans.

    5-Anthony Quinn Warner, the Nashville suicide bomber who blew up himself and a recreational vehicle on Christmas Day 2020, reportedly also followed the lizard people conspiracy theory

    http://www.guardian.co.uk

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/12/california-matthew-coleman-children-killed

    911 was the classic Q -anon
    It combined with Bible humping evangelical
    They wanted to save the world ,
    They with Bush and S Baptist joined the blood ritualistic Neocons . They prophesied the arrival of peace , prosperity , abundance of divine grace of democracy ( latest addition of new material to Gospel) . They even saw evidence of DNA in the behavior of Al Quaida.

    Then they went and went and went again again and again .

    Then they got royal fucked . Coleman’s alter ego Bush-Cheney and Q Anon resembling Neocons fucked America . Instead of Mexico , they took the kids to Afghan and Iraq and killed them .

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  145. @Smith

    The Taliban are indestructible. The Yanks even dropped a MOAB on them and it didn’t faze them.

    Anyway Biden is turning out to be the peace presidents, contrary to what the Trumpsters predicted.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @InnerCynic
  146. @anon

    What has this got to do with Pharoah’s post or the forthcoming Battle for Kabul?
    And where’s your comments 2. and 3.?

    Instead of Mexico , they took the kids to Afghan and Iraq and killed them .

    US military are not children or “kids”; they’re grown men and trained killers.

    • Replies: @Anon
  147. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    It is numbered to make it sink deep into your head .

    “ US military are not children or “kids”; they’re grown men and trained killers”
    Yes, but still a child in the man’s body , fully abused by indoctrinated system and taken advantage by psycho thug Cheney .

    A conspiracy -based war for wealth and exploitation and for promotion of Zionism is worse than any fight helped by any ideology against those psycho ( Cheney ) and their aims ( exploitation and Zionism ) .

  148. Smith says:
    @Commentator Mike

    They are destructible if they start to follow the americans.

    Everyone who follow the americans lose.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  149. @Rurik

    “If it were between Rand Paul vs. Kamala, (or Liz or Mitt or whomever) well then R.B., I’d take the time to get off my arse, and vote in the next rigged election.”

    That’s part of the whole problem… The selection process in US (and other countries) elections… They system is based on popularity rather than effectiveness and ability.

  150. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Eye for eye and tooth for tooth in the context it was given was to be meted out by the courts. It was not about personal revenge – but about justice.

  151. @RoatanBill

    This is outside Pepe’s topic but I agree with your position . I have been proposing “None of the above” and direct democracy through referendums for some years. That would require that better information is made available to the public than what mainstream journalism actually provides. And then the elected officials should respond to their constituency and not to a political party. In some way political parties that require party discipline from their members shouldn’t exist. I think the democratic process has to involve the citizens all the time and not just on election day. The “elitists” in the current political establishment are averse to direct democracy though.

    The main purpose of politics in my view is to provide a platform for negotiations and compromes between people and groups having different and sometimes conflicting objectives. That is a long, difficult and unpredictable process.

    I have no expertise in law or in the kind of social science that is preached in college. I have a scientific and technical background like you and I have been reading much since I have retired.

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
    , @JackOH
  152. @RichardDuck

    I’m glad you realize that political parties shouldn’t exist. They pervert democracy to what it is today, but then democracy is a failed religion right from the start anyway.

    Concerning negotiations and compromise, if something has two opposing camps, or three or four, then there should be no decision one way or the other. Let each have their way and let the market decide who has the better idea. Essentially the anarchist approach. The mistake is to force one idea into the dominant position and that’s the fatal mistake of democracy.

  153. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    A Person whom Islam acknowledges to be one of its prophets taught that forgiveness, not revenge, is key.

    Is that so? Which book is this passage from:

    The Messenger of Allah never took revenge on his own behalf for anything unless something Allah had forbidden has been transgressed, in which event he took revenge for it for Allah’s sake

    Or is it not revenge if you claim to be just the guiding hand of Allah?

    Let the Taliban forgive, and the conflict is ended.

    What you think the Taliban is going to have a period of forgiveness?

    Will that be after the beheadings of journalists, foreigners and anyone suspected of working with the US?

    • Replies: @InnerCynic
  154. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Hold the Taliban back near Kabul”.


    While who feeds the population?

    Yea I don’t think he or Biden understands the basics of siege warfare. Biden seems to be holding out for a Kabul fight.

    If there is one city remaining then the Taliban can just surround it and wait.

    But there is no reason to expect that the Afghans in Kabul will put up any fight. In other cities they are fleeing their positions and handing over not only territory but weapons to the Taliban. They already left a working Russian Hind on the tarmac.

    Afghanistan is like Vietnam in that the real problem is not the enemy but our own government. Our parties are too deluded and stupid to conquer another nation. Sure we can defeat an enemy like the Taliban in combat but our politicians cling to race-denial based theories of “nation building” whereby everyone just needs a taste of democracy and they will all become European. There is total denial that political and religious outlooks are tied to genetics. Our politicians cannot even face the reality that our own Africans are not Europeans. If they don’t understand African-Americans then how would they ever understand Afghans? One only needs to drive through a Black area of DC to see if our Republicans and Democrats could be relied up on for “nation building”. What a joke.

    Democracy never should have been a goal in Afghanistan. There is no reason to believe they have any interest in it or that they would always elect moderates. That should have been the lesson from Iran.

    The country should have been split in half with a dictatorship in the south. Afghans are like Arabs in that they do a better job fighting when they can’t just walk away and go back to goat herding. But our politicians don’t have the guts to face that reality. Saddam was a real prick but understood the Arab mentality. Our politicians are idiots and think they just need a Starbucks and a voting booth.

    • Agree: ivan
  155. JackOH says:
    @RichardDuck

    RD, you may get a “none of the above effect” by going to the polls and declining to vote in uncontested races, or races where the entire slate of candidates is unsatisfactory. Even a dull politician would have to give some consideration to an election where 1000 voters went to the polls, but he only garnered, say, 200 votes. I’d interpret that as “vulnerability” or “no mandate”, something along those lines.

    I think Roatan mentioned something about a strike of some sort. I suggested that under another article a week or so ago.

    If very able political leadership could be found, I could support a “silent strike” of, say, disgruntled white collar folks, skilled tradesmen, and pretty much anyone else with a beef. You’d need a real expert, and master of rhetorical discipline, and the capability of following through.

    A Web site with a simple message encouraging workers to “silently” take a particular day off might be a start. You’d need to do plenty of homework, but, if I’m not mistaken, those Occupy Wall Street protests, which turned out not to have legs, began with a magazine article.

  156. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    Jesus said he was God. So if Islam claims he’s only a prophet then is he a mad man, liar or the devil himself? Which is it? That Islam would honor someone as a prophet who’d be charitably described as being insane only makes the case that it is itself insane. I’m no religionist or atheist but there’s a gulf of logic there that is far broader than most of the faithful would care to acknowledge.

    So when the head cutting commences you’ll hear all sorts of rationalizations for this or that tossed about by the very liars who justify their actions. No different than the liars who justify bombing innocents to bits from their chairs halfway across the planet.

  157. @John Johnson

    The irony of a God so powerful that he needed his messengers to answer and likewise get offended for him. How pathetic!

  158. @Commentator Mike

    A… MOAB. One? Singular? If that was the extent of uncle scams moab theatrics then it was all for show. They didn’t have more? It only goes to show it wasn’t about winning anything but prolonging the cash grab.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  159. @InnerCynic

    Jesus never did say that he was a God.
    Jesus did say that he is a son of God.
    But that implies that Jesus was a special creation of God to pass an important message.
    …………………………………………………
    Not even philosopher could resolve this mystery.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
    , @InnerCynic
  160. @Zarathustra

    The West is currently in a struggle between three religions:
    1. Liberalism – Pretends to not be a religion but holds a deeply sacred belief that human evolution led to equality but Whites (the devil) ruined what would have been utopia. Even suggesting that this might not be entirely true can lead to death threats and a ruined career.
    2. Islam – The religion where you can take slave wives in war and also need to follow specific rules for taking a dump .
    3. Christianity – Has some problems but not as bad as the other two, especially when working in conjunction with a nationalist state. Russian Orthodox is an example of the ideal form and Evangelicals washing negro feet would be the lower form.

  161. @InnerCynic

    Since it took two nukes to bring Japs to their knees maybe they thought one MOAD should do it for the Taliban.

  162. Concerning Islam and the wives, It is kind of justified because in the time of expansion many women did loose their husbands. So it was actually kind of mercy.
    There is no justification in Mormon religion to have a several wives. It is abomination.
    There was no specific rule taking the dump. Only rule was that wiping the arse had to be done with left hand. In shaking the hands if somebody offered left hand was considered mortal insult.
    (Not much water in desert to wash hands.)
    Liberalism is insanity. That means that there are no rules in society.

    • Replies: @John Johnson
  163. @Zarathustra

    Thats right he never said he was A god but that he WAS God…

    “Truly, Truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am”

  164. @InnerCynic

    The head cutting? In English common law only aristocrats were entitled to have their heads cut off. Commoners were hanged. Mohammed married a little girl? In English tradition the priest could carry the little girl or little boy to the marriage altar. Okay, consummation different, but what do we really know about Mohammed?

  165. @Zarathustra

    It is kind of justified because in the time of expansion many women did loose their husbands. So it was actually kind of mercy.

    Mercy eh? So what happened if the woman didn’t want to marry a conqueror?

    There is no justification in Mormon religion to have a several wives. It is abomination.

    Incorrect.

    Joseph Smith said that an angel told him to do it. Why should we doubt him anymore than Muhammad?

    There was no specific rule taking the dump.

    What is all this?
    https://azislam.com/manners-of-going-to-the-bathroom-in-islam-and-its-verses

  166. @nokangaroos

    Payback for the destruction of the Bumiyan relics will come from China (the next power to get mired into the Afghanistan quagmire) and it won’t be pretty for the Allah worshippers.

    • LOL: ivan
    • Replies: @Smith
  167. Smith says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    I doubt the chinese would get tangled in Afghanistan. No reason at all considering they are friendly with the Taliban.

    • Agree: ivan
    • Replies: @A Half Naked Fakir
  168. @Ann Nonny Mouse

    I’d go further, once they have every city but Kabul they should not attack the city, just surround it and control entry and exit.

    I don’t mean besiege. They could allow food and water to ship in. And be ready for counter-attack from within.

    After a few months of that, Kabul with its internal politics but them the real government of Afghanistan, after months of peace, there’d be a peaceful surrender. All over.

  169. @Quartermaster

    No one has controlled Afghanistan since ancient times.

    That would be true if by “no one”, you mean the Greeks, the Persians, the Chinese, the Mongols and the Turks. The fact is that Afghanistan has been ruled by any number of foreign dynasties. The problem is that there’s no point to ruling a wasteland that costs a significant amount of money to hang on to. So over time, many of these conquerors just left. Not worth the candle.

  170. @Smith

    “No reason at all considering they are friendly with the Taliban.”

    That’s exactly how China will get sucked in into the ignorant and backward Islamic world.

    • Replies: @Smith
  171. Smith says:
    @A Half Naked Fakir

    LOL, the chinese have more experiences with muslims than even the russians or americans. They played a role in beating the Soviet and now again the americans.

    But OK, keep playing with your false hope.

  172. Athena says:

    Withdrawal or Redrawing the War? Maj. Danny Sjursen (ret.) on Afghanistan

  173. kali says:
    @augusto

    what s your problem with the quantity – yes, quantity – of gods a person or a culture or a historical peoples worship in the last 12000 years?

    It´s not the number of “gods” that I have a problem with, augusto, but the nature of the cults/religions which have dominated the affairs of mankind for the last c.2.5 thousand years.

    But your point is duly noted. My sloppy rhetoric needs to be made more exact. So, in place of “mono-god cults” and “mono-god religions” I may use “mono-god death cults/religions” in future. Hopefully that will clear up any misunderstandings.

    All the best,
    Kali.

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