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US Marines from the 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment of the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade wait for helicopter transport as part of Operation Khanjar at Camp Dwyer in Helmand Province in Afghanistan on July 2, 2009. – The US pullout from the Pentagon’s once mighty Bagram Air Base in the dead of night, while Taliban fighters pour across the country, looks a lot like a military defeat. Photo: AFP / Manpreet Romana
US Marines from the 2nd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment of the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Brigade wait for helicopter transport as part of Operation Khanjar at Camp Dwyer in Helmand Province in Afghanistan on July 2, 2009. – The US pullout from the Pentagon’s once mighty Bagram Air Base in the dead of night, while Taliban fighters pour across the country, looks a lot like a military defeat. Photo: AFP / Manpreet Romana

And it’s all over

For the unknown soldier

It’s all over

For the unknown soldier

The Doors, “The Unknown Soldier”

Let’s start with some stunning facts on the Afghan ground.

The Taliban are on a roll. Earlier this week their PR arm was claiming they hold 218 Afghan districts out of 421 – capturing new ones every day. Tens of districts are contested. Entire Afghan provinces are basically lost to the government in Kabul, which has been de facto reduced to administer a few scattered cities under siege.

Already on July 1, the Taliban announced they controlled 80% of Afghan territory. That’s close to the situation 20 years ago, only a few weeks before 9/11, when Commander Ahmad Shah Masoud told me in the Panjshir valley , as he prepared a counter-offensive, that the Taliban were 85% dominant.

Their new tactical approach works like a dream. First, there’s a direct appeal to soldiers of the Afghan National Army (ANA) to surrender. Negotiations are smooth and deals fulfilled. Soldiers in the low thousands have already joined the Taliban without a single shot fired.

Map by CIG / Telegram / Counter-Intelligence (t.me/CIG telegram) showing recent Taliban advances and Afghan districts being captured, as of July 5, 2021
Map by CIG / Telegram / Counter-Intelligence (t.me/CIG telegram) showing recent Taliban advances and Afghan districts being captured, as of July 5, 2021

Mapmakers cannot upload updates fast enough. This is fast becoming a textbook case of the collapse of a 21st-century central government.

The Taliban are fast advancing in western Vardak, easily capturing ANA bases. That is the prequel for an assault on Maidan Shar, the provincial capital. If they gain control of Vardak, then they will be literally at the gates of Kabul.

After capturing Panjwaj district, the Taliban are also a stone’s throw away from Kandahar, founded by Alexander the Great in 330 BC and the city where a certain mullah Omar – with a little help from his Pakistani ISI friends – started the Taliban adventure in 1994, leading to their Kabul power takeover in 1996.

The overwhelming majority of Badakhshan province – Tajik majority, not Pashtun – fell after only four days of negotiations, with a few skirmishes thrown in. The Taliban even captured a hilltop outpost very close to Faizabad, Badakhshan’s capital.

I tracked the Tajik-Afghan border in detail when I traveled the Pamir highway in late 2019. The Taliban, following mountain tracks on the Afghan side, could soon reach the legendary, desolate border with China’s Xinjiang in the Wakhan corridor.

Afghanistan’s Badakhshan province, seen from the Pamir highway in Tajikistan during the author’s November 2019 trip. This district, not far from Ishkashim, is now under Taliban control. Photo: Pepe Escobar

The Taliban are also about to make a move on Hairaton, in Balkh province. Hairaton is at the Afghan-Uzbek border, the site of the historically important Friendship Bridge over the Amu Darya, through which the Red Army departed Afghanistan in 1989.

ANA commanders swear the city is now protected from all sides by a five-kilometer security zone. Hairaton has already attracted tens of thousands of refugees. Tashkent does not want them to cross the border.

And it’s not only Central Asia; the Taliban have already advanced to the city limits of Islam Qilla, which borders Iran, in Herat province, and is the key checkpoint in the busy Mashhad to Herat corridor.

The Tajik puzzle

The extremely porous, geologically stunning Tajik-Afghan mountain borders remain the most sensitive case. Tajik President Emomali Rahmon, after a serious phone call with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin, ordered the mobilization of 20,000 reservists and sent them to the border.

Rahmon also promised humanitarian and financial support to the Kabul government.

Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tajik President Emomali Rahmon leave after this year’s Victory Day Parade on May 9, which marked the 76th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in Red Square in central Moscow, Russia. Photo: AFP / Dmitry Astakhov / Sputnik
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Tajik President Emomali Rahmon leave after this year’s Victory Day Parade on May 9, which marked the 76th anniversary of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two, in Red Square in central Moscow, Russia. Photo: AFP / Dmitry Astakhov / Sputnik

The Taliban, for their part, officially declared that the border is safe and they have no intention of invading Tajik territory. Earlier this week even the Kremlin cryptically announced that Moscow does not plan to send troops to Afghanistan.

A cliffhanger is set for the end of July, as the Taliban announced they will submit a written peace proposal to Kabul. A strong possibility is that it may amount to an intimation for Kabul to surrender and transfer full control of the country.

The Taliban seem to be riding an irresistible momentum, especially when Afghans themselves were stunned to see how the imperial “protector,” after nearly two decades of de facto occupation, left Bagram airbase in the middle of the night.

Compare it to the evaluation of serious analysts such as Lester Grau, explaining the Soviet departure over three decades ago:

When the Soviets left Afghanistan in 1989, they did so in a coordinated, deliberate, professional manner, leaving behind a functioning government, an improved military and an advisory and economic effort insuring the continued viability of the government. The withdrawal was based on a coordinated diplomatic, economic and military plan permitting Soviet forces to withdraw in good order and the Afghan government to survive.

The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan (DRA) managed to hold on despite the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Only then, with the loss of Soviet support and the increased efforts by the Mujahideen (holy warriors) and Pakistan, did the DRA slide toward defeat in April 1992. The Soviet effort to withdraw in good order was well executed and can serve as a model for other disengagements from similar nations.

When it comes to the American empire, Tacitus once again applies: “They have plundered the world, stripping naked the land in their hunger… They are driven by greed, if their enemy be rich; by ambition, if poor…. They ravage, they slaughter, they seize by false pretenses, and all of this they hail as the construction of empire. And when in their wake nothing remains but a desert, they call that peace.”

In the wake of the hegemon, deserts called peace include in varying degrees Iraq, Libya, Syria – which happen to, geologically, harbor deserts – as well as the deserts and mountains of Afghanistan.

It looks like Think Tank Row in DC, between Dupont and Thomas circles alongside Massachusetts Avenue, have not really done their homework on Pashtunwali – the Pashtun honor code – or on the ignominious British empire retreat from Kabul.

An Afghan National Army (ANA) helicopter takes off inside the Bagram US air base after all US and NATO troops left on July 5, 2021. Photo: Wakil Kohsar / AFP
An Afghan National Army (ANA) helicopter takes off inside the Bagram US air base after all US and NATO troops left on July 5, 2021. Photo: Wakil Kohsar / AFP

That Afghan heroin rat line

Still, it’s too early to tell whether what is being spun as the US “retreat” from Afghanistan reflects the definitive unraveling of the Empire of Chaos. That’s especially true because this is not a “retreat” at all: it’s a repositioning – with added elements of privatization.

At least 650 “US forces” will be protecting the sprawling embassy in Kabul. Add to that possibly 500 Turkish troops – which means NATO – to protect the airport, plus an undeclared number of “contractors,” aka mercenaries, and an unspecified number of special forces.

Pentagon head Lloyd Austin has come up with the new deal. The militarized embassy is referred to as Forces Afghanistan-Forward. These forces will be “supported” by a new, special Afghan office in Qatar.

ORDER IT NOW

The key provision is that the special privilege to bomb Afghanistan whenever the US feels like it remains intact. The difference is in the chain of command. Instead of General Scott Miller, so far the top US commander in Afghanistan, the bomber-in-chief will be General Frank McKenzie, the head of CENTCOM.

So future bombing will come essentially from the Persian Gulf – what the Pentagon lovingly describes as “over the horizon capability.” Crucially, Pakistan has officially refused to be part of it although, in the case of drone attacks, they will have to fly over Pakistani territory in Balochistan.

Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan also refused to host American bases.

The Taliban, for their part, are unfazed. Spokesman Suhail Shaheen was adamant that any foreign troops that are not out by the 9/11 deadline will be regarded as – what else? – occupiers.

Whether the Taliban will be able to establish dominance is not an issue; it’s just a matter of when. And that leads us to the two really important questions:

  • 1. Will the CIA be able to maintain what Seymour Hersh initially, and later myself, described as the Afghan heroin ratline that finances their black ops?
  • 2. And if the CIA cannot continue to supervise opium poppy field production in Afghanistan as well as coordinate the subsequent stages of the heroin business, where will it move to?
An Afghan farmer harvests opium sap from a poppy field in Dara-l-Nur, District of Nangarhar province, in 2020. Photo: AFP / Wali Sabawoon / NurPhoto
An Afghan farmer harvests opium sap from a poppy field in Dara-l-Nur, District of Nangarhar province, in 2020. Photo: AFP / Wali Sabawoon / NurPhoto

Every thinking mind across Central and South Asia knows that the Empire of Chaos, for two long decades, was never interested in defeating the Taliban or fighting for “the freedom of the Afghan people.”

The key motives were

  • to keep a crucial, strategic forward base in the underbelly of “existential threats” China and Russia as well as intractable Iran – all part of the New Great Game;
  • to be conveniently positioned to later exploit Afghanistan’s enormous mineral wealth;
  • and to process opium into heroin to fund CIA ops. Opium was a major factor in the rise of the British empire, and heroin remains one of the world’s top dirty businesses funding shady intel ops.

What China and SCO want

Now compare all of the above with the Chinese approach.

Unlike Think Tank Row in DC, Chinese counterparts seem to have done their homework. They understood that the USSR did not invade Afghanistan in 1979 to impose “popular democracy” – the jargon then – but was in fact invited by the quite progressive UN-recognized Kabul government at the time, which essentially wanted roads, electricity, medical care, telecommunications and education.

As these staples of modernity would not be provided by Western institutions, the solution would have to come from Soviet socialism. That would imply a social revolution – a convoluted affair in a deeply pious Islamic nation – and, crucially, the end of feudalism.

“Grand Chessboard” Zbignew Brzezinski’s imperial counterpunch worked because it manipulated Afghan feudal lords and their regimentation capacity – bolstered by immense funds (CIA, Saudis, Pakistani intel) – to give the USSR its Vietnam.

None of these feudal lords were interested in the abolition of poverty and economic development in Afghanistan.

Zbigniew Brzezinski and a man often (but disputedly) alleged to be Osama bin Laden, 1981. Photo: Twitter
Zbigniew Brzezinski and a man often (but disputedly) alleged to be Osama bin Laden, 1981. Photo: Twitter

China is now picking up where the USSR left. Beijing, in close contact with the Taliban since early 2020, essentially wants to extend the $62 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) – one of the Belt and Road Initiative flagship projects – to Afghanistan.

The first, crucial step will be the construction of the Kabul-Peshawar motorway – through the Khyber Pass and the current border at Torkham. That will mean Afghanistan de facto becoming part of CPEC.

It’s all about regional integration at work. Kabul-Peshawar will be one extra CPEC node that already includes the construction of the ultra-strategic Tashkurgan airport on the Karakoram highway in Xinjiang, only 50 kilometers away from the Pakistani border and also close to Afghanistan, as well as to Gwadar port in Balochistan.

In early June, a trilateral China-Afghanistan-Pakistan meeting led the Chinese Foreign Ministry to unmistakably bet on the “peaceful recovery of Afghanistan,” with the joint statement welcoming “the early return of the Taliban to the political life of Afghanistan” and a pledge to “expand economic and trade ties.”

So there’s no way a dominant Taliban will refuse the Chinese drive to build infrastructure and energy projects geared towards regional economic integration – the mullahs’ side of the bargain being to keep the country pacified and not subject to jihadi turbulence of the ISIS-Khorasan variety capable of spilling over to Xinjiang.

The Chinese gameplay is clear: the Americans should not be able to exert influence over the new Kabul arrangement. It’s all about the strategic Afghan importance for Belt and Road – and that is intertwined with discussions inside the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), incidentally founded 20 years ago, and which for years has advocated for an “Asian solution” for the Afghan drama.

The discussions inside the SCO regard the NATO projection of the new Afghanistan as a jihadi paradise controlled by Islamabad as not more than wishful thinking nonsense.

It will be fascinating to watch how China, Pakistan, Iran, Russia and even India will fill the vacuum in the post-Forever Wars era in Afghanistan. It’s very important to remember that all these actors, plus the Central Asians, are full SCO members (or observers, in the case of Iran).

>Afghan Taliban militants and villagers attend a gathering as they celebrate the peace deal and their victory in the Afghan conflict on US in Afghanistan, in Alingar district of Laghman Province on March 2, 2020. Photo: AFP / Noorullah Shirzada
>Afghan Taliban militants and villagers attend a gathering as they celebrate the peace deal and their victory in the Afghan conflict on US in Afghanistan, in Alingar district of Laghman Province on March 2, 2020. Photo: AFP / Noorullah Shirzada

Tehran plausibly might interfere with potential imperial plans to bomb Afghanistan from the outside – whatever the motive. On another front, it’s unclear whether Islamabad or Moscow, for instance, would help the Taliban to take Bagram. What’s certain is that Russia will take the Taliban off its list of terrorist outfits.

Considering that the empire and NATO – via Turkey – will not be really leaving, a distinct future possibility is an SCO push, allied with the Taliban (Afghanistan is also a SCO observer), to secure the nation on their terms and concentrate on CPEC development projects. But the first step seems to be the hardest: how to form a real, solid, national coalition government in Kabul.

History may rule that Washington wanted Afghanistan to be the USSR’s Vietnam; decades later, it ended up getting its own second Vietnam, repeated as – what else? – farce. A remixed Saigon moment is fast approaching and yet another stage of the New Great Game in Eurasia is at hand.

(Republished from Asia Times by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Who needs Saigons abroad when the Saigonization of White America is nearly complete?

    How are white men different from Viet Cucks in Saigon? US military, a foreign neo-imperialist power, occupied Saigon and propped up a puppet regime of traitorous cucks. Viet Cuck men allowed their women to be used as whores by white and black military men(and even by South Korean yellow dog mercenaries). Against the Viet Cucks were the Viet Cong, a patriotic resistance movement.

    Now, look at White America. It is totally occupied and controlled by Jews who promote blackness and diversity while shaming whites into moral paralysis and thrilling them with jungle fever.
    White ‘leaders’ like Joe Biden are just like Viet Cuck puppet leaders. Biden and other white elites of both parties are just cuck clown puppets of Jews. And white men accept ACOWW or Afro-Colonization of White Wombs as ‘freedom’ and ‘progress’. White race has been totally Saigonized.

    So, the great irony is that, even as the US departs from new saigons of its far-flung empires, its white soldiers return to a country that is one big Saigon. White race is like a bunch of Viet Cucks and has no hope unless it can produce its own Viet Congs or White Congs. Cuck or Cong, that will decide the future.

    • Agree: Ray Caruso
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @gatobart
    , @Sollipsist
  2. Lussier says:

    Their new tactical approach works like a dream. First, there’s a direct appeal to soldiers of the Afghan National Army (ANA) to surrender. Negotiations are smooth and deals fulfilled. Soldiers in the low thousands have already joined the Taliban without a single shot fired.

    Is it too much to hope that this spells out a “Varus, give me back my legions” moment for globalist forays in the Hindu Kush?

    The helicopter ride out under cover of night seems like an attractive deal compared to the Kipling era –

    If your officer’s dead and the sergeants look white,
    Remember it’s ruin to run from a fight:
    So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
    And wait for supports like a soldier.
    Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
    An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.

    • Replies: @Rabbitnexus
  3. Polemos says:

    It’s embarrassing to have an Independence Day weekend, fireworks and all, while Bagram base, like so many city downtowns of the United States, gets looted as men sworn to protect up and vanish into the night, obeying orders.

    What a joke.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Rdm
    , @El Dato
  4. lloyd says: • Website

    Tacitus was a Roman imperialist. Agricola where this condemnation of Pax Romana is drawn was a panegyric for his father in law Roman Governor in Britain, Agricola. It is a rhetorical invented speech of a British chief. Coming from New Zealand, I don’t entirely dismiss the thought it is based on an actual speech by a barbarian. Similar speeches have been made by New Zealand Maori chiefs. Tacitus himself appears to believe in a civilising mission of Rome. However he had Celtic ancestors and understood what a barbarian might think of the Empire. The barbarian was right of course. His descendants, if he had any, became Roman subjects, willing slaves to Roman materialism. Tacitus wrote that was a continuation of their slavery. There is nothing good to say about the American Empire in Afghanistan.

    • Replies: @gotmituns
    , @animalogic
  5. Malla says:
    @Priss Factor

    US military, a foreign neo-imperialist power, occupied Saigon and propped up a puppet regime of traitorous cucks.

    What rubbish. The USA got rid of the one real resistance to the Communist Vietcong, South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem. And he was no Western cuck, he was a major nationalist opponent of the French Empire in Vietnam. So much so that the Francophile General Nguyễn Văn Hinh (the first Vietnamese to rise to the position of General in the French Empire) resigned from Diem’s government. The only thing about him was that he was too hardcore Catholic in a Buddhist majority country, but anti-Catholic riots led by Buddhist monks almost wiped out his Ngô-Đình clan. Over 100 of the Ngô clan were “burned alive in a church including his grandparents, uncles and aunties.

    The coup d’état against South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem was designed by a military revolutionary council including ARVN generals led by General Dương Văn Minh. Lieutenant Colonel Lucien Conein, a CIA officer, had become a liaison between the US Embassy and the generals. They met each other for the first time on October 2, 1963 at Tân Sơn Nhất airport. Three days later, Conein met with General Dương Văn Minh to discuss the coup and the stance of the US towards it. Conein then delivered the White House’s message of American non-intervention, which was reiterated by Henry Cabot Lodge Jr., the US ambassador, who gave secret assurances to the generals that the United States would not interfere in the assassination of anti-Communist but nationalist Vietnamese leader, Ngo Dinh Diem.

    Upon learning of Diệm’s ouster and assassination, Vietcong leader Hồ Chí Minh reportedly stated: “I can scarcely believe the Americans would be so stupid.” The North Vietnamese Politburo was more explicit:
    “The consequences of the 1 November coup d’état will be contrary to the calculations of the US imperialists … Diệm was one of the strongest individuals resisting the people and Communism. Everything that could be done in an attempt to crush the revolution was carried out by Diệm. … Among the anti-Communists in South Vietnam or exiled in other countries, no one has sufficient political assets and abilities to cause others to obey. Therefore, the lackey administration cannot be stabilized. The coup d’état on 1 November 1963 will not be the last.”

    For Commies anybody who is not Commie is “Western cuck” while the Commies secretly get behind the scenes help from the West. It is a nice trick they have there, the Western elites and the Commie elites working together behind the scenes. No country has helped Commies more than Murica, behind the scenes and now the Murican deep State is finally trying to Bolshevise Murican society itself.
    This “those who are not commie are Western cuck” childish mindset backfired on China w.r.t India. The Chinese in the 1950 arrogantly laid these accusations against the Indian leaders, who had just given such a headache to the Brits by their continues complaining and actions that the British just walked off away from the headache of India. Now the Chinese Commies called these bunch of angry hornets, Indian leaders, “sepoys of the West”. LOL. Now Indians are a vengeful lot, especially those from states like my Utter Pradesh or Haryana etc.. You insult and humiliate someone there, they will take revenge, hide in the shadows with a knife in his teeth for the most opportune moment. Or else they in a litigious and argumentative way will make your life hell till you die with headache (or you march out with your heads high, with headache like the smart British). So the Chinese Commies fresh with their victory over the KMT (after the KMT was tired fighting the Japanese, getting the Japanese fight off the Chinese KMT was a Commie + Murican plan all along, and later the KMT back-stabbed by Muricans) went gung-ho and treated the newly independent Indian leaders as lowly sepoys of the West. Vengeful Indians do not forget such humiliation. After that the Chinese have tried umpteen times to mend relations with India but for millions of Indians, 1400 million of them now, the Commie Chinese themselves have turned into “evul backstabbing Imperialists”, never to be trusted, always an enemy. The Chinese have tried everything but the Indians are convinced that Chinese are Imperialist pig monkeys and the Indians are now the proud revolutionaries fighting these Imperialist pigs. It is comedy really. The Chinese threw a stone at a hornets nest because of this same childish worldview.

  6. AKAHorace says:

    Why is the Taliban doing well in Northern Afghanistan ? This is an area where the locals fought the Taliban in the 90s. Is their support coming from areas of Pashtun settlement there or have Uzbeks and Tajiks become pro-Taliban ?

  7. @Malla

    The USA got rid of the one real resistance to the Communist Vietcong, South Vietnamese leader Ngo Dinh Diem.

    I heard Diem was a toot.

    It’s true that Diem wasn’t the total cuck that later SV ‘leaders’ were. In this, he was comparable to Park of SK who was assassinated under odd circumstances. Was he diemed also?

    Still, Diem was hardly in a nationalist position because his power owed to US intervention. Without US meddling, the whole country almost certainly would have been united under the Viet Minh. So, even if Diem had some admirable qualities and was a nationalist at heart, his position of leader owed to US presence and support. Even before his assassination, SV relied heavily on the US to prevent the North from taking over.

    Indeed, the fact that the US got rid of him so easily is testament to his weakness.

    Now, communism sucks in general, but the Vietnamese communists were led by men of some quality, and their nationalism sought total independence from imperialism whereas Diem could, at best, bargain for semi-independence from US influence.

    Also, we must keep in mind why so many in the Third World looked to communism at the time. Then, capitalism was almost synonymous with imperialism.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
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    , @Malla
    , @BN
  8. usNthem says:

    The difference is the Brits and Ruskis figured out that it was a losing proposition fairly quick and cut their losses – not uncle scam. Twenty freaking years, thousands of casualties and trillions spent. For what? What a goddamned travesty and waste.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  9. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Polemos

    Game over, man. Game over.

    • Agree: Realist, El Dato
  10. It’s hard to take seriously anyone who likens the invasion of Afghanistan to our withdrawal from Vietnam.

    Which was completed in 1973.

    Good grief. more we lost Vietnam nonsense.

    ————-

    Unless we took on the role of a total war scenario in completely and utterly decimating the Taliban, any effort was a toss up.

  11. gatobart says:

    I didn’t know that the US Embassy in Kabul had a roof covered with sand.

    • LOL: Old and Grumpy
  12. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Priss Factor

    Three weeks later the USA got rid of Kennedy.

    World leaders were a dime a dozen back then. At least those weren’t fiat dimes.

  13. @AKAHorace

    I am confused as well. This was the area of the “Northern Alliance” that worked with the CIA to overthrow the Taliban 20 years ago.

    This rapid retreat makes no sense given that Biden is a solid neocon. The only theory I can devise is that in a war with Iran, American bases in Afghanistan would be overrun. The Iranians must have plans for this. American bases in Iraq have already been consolidated for security, bases in Qatar are moving to Jordan, and now they are going away in Afghanistan.

    Perhaps this is just a move to redirect resources to confront China. But given the neocons see Iran as the ultimate target, this may be sign of bad things to come.

    • Replies: @Chris Cosmos
    , @By-tor
    , @anon
  14. Most Americans scoff at the the idea presented here that the CIA is deeply involved in the international narcotics trade. I created two short videos that will convince anyone willing to learn:


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  15. Malla says:
    @Priss Factor

    Indeed, the fact that the US got rid of him so easily is testament to his weakness.

    The fact that the US, gave the green signal to his assassination and not protect him means they wanted the Commies to win anyways. I remember this guy’s interview whose Dad worked in US military Intelligence during the Vietnam War and he told his son after his retirement one day that “Communism is one big scam, the Vietnam War was all about drugs”. And it takes us to the French Empire itself and the Corsican mafia, Marseilles in Southern France is still big in this trade in Europe. About Operation Phoenix of the CIA, drugging of Vietnamese people as experiments and later pushing LSD on the American people / Western Europeans/ Australians by the CIA. These US elites are the same scumbags who made money out of the opium trade (Yale-Skull & Bones) and one of the biggest drug dealer in the World is the CIA. An American journalist who made this out in the open was shot dead.
    And just like the Golden triangle in South East Asia, we have golden Crescent in Afghanistan, Opium. Part of this may even include a joint CIA- Afghan/ Central Asian Islamic operation to drug Russians in the North to weaken the Russian people too.
    Also the whole counter culture movement, rock and role movements, hippie movements were Judeo Deep State CIA operations from the very get go.

    Gloria Steinem Discussing Her Time in the CIA
    An early interview of Gloria Steinem detailing her time as an operative in the CIA. She admits that the CIA is actually “liberal” and “progressive”. LOL. Well she claims she was with them for some period of time, but it is likely she was with them for a long time. This bitch is largely responsible for destroying the nuclear family and creating fatherless homes. She says in the video that the CIA was actually liberal leftists pushing for leftist ideas. Steinem as a CIA AGENT was “protesting at the Pentagon” to stop American intervention in Vietnam !!!! The whole thing was fake to back stab South Vietnam, to create a ruse to get American troops out and to let North Vietnam take over in two years. US ground combat units had left South Vietnam more than two years prior to the fall of Saigon and were not available to assist with either the defense of Saigon or the evacuation. In 1977, National Review alleged that some 30,000 South Vietnamese had been systematically killed bythe Communists using a list of CIA informants “left behind” by the US embassy. A list left behind on purpose maybe? how careless!! Oy Vey
    When she says “When I came back from India…” it means” when I was reprogrammed.” The CIA and the elites were very deep with Hindu Gurus and their psychological tactics. Remember the Beatles going all “spiritual”. The CIA was behind the sudden invasion of slimey Hindu gurus coming to the West for money and pussy. They were even behind the Moonies (Korean pastor Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church) pushing interracial marriages even if the Moonies are right winged Christians.
    Gloria failed to mention in the video that the CIA funded her assignment in India.. she is a lifetime actor. One of her CIA colleagues was Ray Felker who was editor of esquire and published her articles. Chicago attorney – Sherman Skolnick – exposed Kagan Foundation and others funding the Nation – and the antiwar movement – CIA fronts. Even Ford Foundation international grants were CIA screened – it was a CIA conduit – as professor Christopher Simpson reveals. The Columbia University Russia Institute was CIA (or still is)…. and had to clear all the Ford Foundation international grants. One more reason (besides family destruction) why they funded late wave feminism was that they did not like women being housewives who do not pay income tax. With the woman working for a job, you get two revenues of income taxes, husband and wife than the single one before from a family.
    Feminism, Civil rights movement, Counterculture, Hippy movement, anti-war movement, psychedelics etc… none of them organic. All deep state funded and directed by satanic elites. Also the CIA was against the Social Realism movement taking place in the Warsaw Pact World including the USSR. American NY Jews were aghast that Eastern Europeans would not be subjected to excreta art, modern ugly Satanic art, Cubic art and all that grotesque bullshit the people of the West were now forcefully subjected to , supported by the Deep State. Why do you think the German Third Reich rallied against “degenerate art”so much?

    And this same CIA directed anti-war movement among American crackpot hippies gave an extra excuse for the withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam only for North Vietnam to conquer the South (without Diem) within two years.
    Now Vietnam might be good with Communism, I am all for it but the American Empire is not what many think here, it is like a mafia, seems unpredictable. If you are fighting against Communism or Islamism in your country with American backing, do not surprised if your American backers suddenly backstab you & leave you for the enemy vultures.

    • Agree: Jim Christian
    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride, Schuetze
  16. Rahan says:

    At some point the Taliban will want to buy a missile shield. Interesting who will provide the tech and experts and in return for what promises.

    Laos, for example, has fused Russian and Chinese tech in order to control its skies.
    https://armyrecognition.com/january_2019_global_defense_security_army_news_industry/laos_displays_chinese-made_yitian_or_tianlong_6_air_defense_missile_system.html

    India uses a mix of Russian and Israeli tech for the same purpose (Osa, Kub, Barak, Spyder)
    https://www.defencexp.com/full-list-of-indian-air-defence-systems/

  17. A superb piece by Pepe. Excellent and illuminating read.

  18. I said this 20 yrs ago.
    Point all the weapons out.
    Don’t let anyone in.
    Make our own stuff.
    America the beautiful.
    bye bye bitches

    • Agree: Old Prude
  19. anon[516] • Disclaimer says:

    The paradox is all this is during the 1970s Soviet Period, Kabul as well as other places in the land (not all of course) were increasingly secularized with girls attending University, holding professional jobs, and dressing like liberated 1970s women. Our team in Washington destabilized Afghanistan in the 198os by supporting the most primitive backward Neanderthal types. In the last 20 years, Washington also allied itself with the most nasty warlords in Afghanistan. (ritual child rapists, drug smugglers, white slavers, and so forth were hallmarks of these allies)

    We should note that Washington seems to consistently support ‘junkyard dogs’ of the most backward types in its nation building efforts – We see this in Ukraine, Kosovo, Croatia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Georgia, various African states, and numerous other examples.

    Its enough of a pattern that begs the questions – Why would Washington consistently support divisive and destabilizing forces ? Is it the deliberate Grand Strategy of Washington to destabilize and therefore weaken these regions ?

  20. Alfred says:
    @Malla

    It is almost a tradition for American policy makers to throw under the bus their stooges. Each stooge is given some time to perform. When he does not come up to expectations, they dispose of him in the what they perceive to be the most profitable way.

    Alexei Navalny was sent to Russia with lots of promises. Raman Pratasevich was sent to Minsk with the cooperation of Aer Lingus – the plane was nearer to its destination when it diverted.

    • Thanks: Malla
  21. Questions

    1. Would the US economy be better if so much money had been spent in Iraq & Afghanistan.
    2. Would there be a refugee crisis in Europe?
    3. What would be accomplished for the USA?
    4. Why did the GOP support the wars for longer than Democrats?
    5. How would the USA be different if 9-11 had not occurred?
    6. Why are rural whites more affected than urban liberals overall?
    7. If Hillary & other politicians insult rural whites why do they comprise the bulk of volunteers for foreign wars?
    8. What will the long-term effects of this war be & the amount of money that was spent?
    9. Will rural white Americans continue to volunteer for wars?
    10. Why did the US ignore its internal issues for 20 years & was the disintegration of infrastructure or growing poverty due in part to the wars in the ME?
    11. Why are Americans more patriotic than Europeans?
    12. Why are the more patriotic Americans who volunteer for wars the whites.

  22. Wow,look at that photo of Putin

    WTF has happened to his face ?

    I watched him at this years Red Square propaganda parade,you know the one, well Putin looked like a little monkey in an oversized coat

    Is this actually Putin,or did someone kill him and replace him with a double ?

    I think FSB got rid of the real Putin and replaced him,i also think they’ve put Lavrov under enormous pressure as he now sounds completely insane

    I see all that decoupling from the American dollar hasn’t turned out well as the Russians have lost a shit load of money 😂

    As for the BRI thing,China would be well advised to go around Afghanistan as its a total shit pit

    One last thing Pepe should remember,whatever the outcome of this withdrawal and Vietnam comparison,the Soviets didn’t survive their orderly withdrawal 😂 from Afghanistan,as by 1990 it was all over for the most inhumane and ghastly social engineering experiment ever undertaken,plus the Soviets managed to murder about 2 million Afghanis

  23. If the Taliban collaborate with China, the American creation and cats-paw, ISIS, will materialise in greater numbers, bolstered by Uighur butchers from Syria. The US plan is to create as much havoc and suffering in Central Asia as possible, to derail the BRI.

  24. @anon

    It’s Libya. The US ALWAYS allies with or creates the most Evil gangsters, because that is the American type.

  25. gotmituns says:
    @lloyd

    There is nothing good to say about the American Empire in Afghanistan.
    ————————————————————————–
    Our guys did protect the poppy crop when we were there. Isn’t that good?

  26. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    BRI is Chinese imperialism,if they think they can run it through Afghanistan then they’re mad

    Anyway let them get on with it,it still ain’t gonna do Putler any favours as his regime is going into full blown autocratic dictatorship mode,and thats never gonna end well in Russia 😝

    Besides all those Central Asian countries will get burned with climate change,no water you see, and no way of getting it,unless Putler wants to build a massive water pipe,well he’d be better doing that in Crimea as they ain’t got no water either,but still he can build daft bridges restricting an international water way,you know thats why the Kremlin are criminals,Ukraine should sail a barge full of about a thousand tons of fertiliser under that Kirch bridge 💥 you know what i mean 😜

    Anyway all this is basically more imperialism,i wonder why Escobar can’t see this i thought he was well versed in Marxian ideology,or is that Chinese and Russian imperialism is better ?

  27. @lloyd

    The vices & virtues of Roman Imperialism are to, say the least, extremly complex.

  28. @Jeff Stryker

    Interesting.
    So the US will continue to maintain troops at the embassy & Merc’s at various other places.
    Thus my question is — will the US continue to pour billions into Afghanistan to keep its Gov’ & army on life support, & keep people bribed/loyal (the Taliban in particular) ?
    I wonder whether the Taliban could take everything except the US embassy? That would be amusing…. perhaps even “farce”….

  29. hohoho says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    lol yeah more nonsense – i must have dreamt that part about Operation Frequent Wind, the greatest helicopter evacuation in history. Another such victory….

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  30. @alwayswrite

    “As for the BRI thing,China would be well advised to go around Afghanistan as its a total shit pit”.
    Yes, a shit pit with trillions of $$ in natural resources ….

  31. @AKAHorace

    The Taliban have drastically changed since 2001. They are no longer a pure Pashtun, and largely Ghilzai Pashtun, rural insurgency. This is where the so called experts treating them as though they were the same as 20 years ago fall on their faces. Today’s Taliban spent many years making inroads among the Tajik, Uzbek, and even Hazara, and they are today 40% non Pashtun. They even have a Shia Hazara military leader and one of their top commanders is a Tajik. The Taliban blitzing through North Afghanistan are locals. They aren’t “foreign” Pashtuns from down south. They’re the brothers, sons, husbands and fathers of the people who are turning over their villages and towns to them. That is why they’re winning.

    • Agree: Alfred
    • Thanks: AKAHorace
    • Replies: @AKAHorace
  32. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    I’m expecting the ISIS headchoppers in Afghanistan, who appeared out of nowhere 7 years ago, to drastically and mysteriously stage huge attacks in the very near future, so that the Bidet regime will find an excuse to not officially withdraw from Afghanistan at all.

  33. @anon

    Please don’t insult Neandertals. They were nothing like Carter’s and Reagan’s child sex slaver warlord terrorist puppets.

  34. This outcome should be a surprise to no one. Half a century ago Vietnam proved that the US can be defeated militarily through guerilla warfare and patience. That’s because the American way of war, thanks to the corruption and incompetence of the US “defense” conglomerate, is ruinously expensive. Moreover, while Americans are a pampered people with little stomach for war casualties, the chosen victims of the US—the Vietnamese, the Afghans, the Iraqis—although they may appear defenseless to the preening, overweight thugs at the Pentagon—Colin Powell, “Mad Dog” Mattis and Mark Milley come to mind—are tough and resilient.

  35. @Jeff Stryker

    Let’s have the answers, wise guy!

  36. @alwayswrite

    “Ukraine should sail a barge full of about a thousand tons of fertiliser under that Kirch bridge 💥 you know what i mean”

    The only problem with that plan is that would result in the extinction of Ukraine as an independent state, which means it would be a good thing.

    You’re stupid to start with, but your impotent rage at Russia due to their rather mild repression of your fellow sodomites makes you downright irrational.

    • Agree: gatobart
    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  37. China better be aware lest it also becomes part of the graveyard of empires and ends up losing two big parts, namely, the East Turkmenistan and Tibet.

  38. All that torture! USer terrorists invaded Afghanistan and murdered farmers and taxi drivers. 20 years of shame for the USA.
    I went walkabout in the Hindu Kush back in the early 1970s. Wonderful place, great people.

  39. Sneaking out from Bagram AFB in the dead of night … not even a hand-over parade to leave with at least a semblance of military order …
    Helo’s on the embassy roof …

    At first sight, this 20-year fiasco looks like just payback for US govt (with its Israeli overlords) 9/11 operation. OK but … Afghan has not been paid for by the zio-freemason satanist elite in power in nearly-wrecked USA. As with other gangster adventures, those ghouls have grown massively richer.

    None of them “served” nor their children.

    Only Joe-six-pack, maybe now living in a tent city without any facilities or any hope, is debating abt Dem-Rep, Left-Right and if only we had MAGA back …
    And when the Crime Cartel announces new measures to attack dictators and preserve unique freedoms they will cheer and wave Old Glory.

    • Agree: Bro43rd, Druid
    • Replies: @GMC
  40. MLK says:
    @AKAHorace

    This is Northern Alliance territory. Their patrons were and remain Russia who, given the current state of play, we should assume is balancing the interests of the relevant parties (Tajikistan; India; China; and, of course, The Taliban).

    Just accept that the period from 1989 to present is a geopolitical Sad Story for the US of such monumental proportions its corrupted ruling and governing classes will pay any price in terms of the national interest to keep the American people distracted and divided as to their malefactions.

    This means, counter-intuitively, the USG is the last player you should analyze to understand events. Even in the case of Afghanistan, if you set the US aside and consider the other relevant sovereigns you can get a clearer picture because they’re acting coherently under the totality of the circumstances.

    I won’t rehearse it now but I will note that if you pay attention you will see that Russia and China have put in an enormous amount of planning into their strategic alliance. They’ve made good use of years of NeoCon filth, along with trade patsies and fifth columnists, outsourcing everything, including our bilateral relationship with Russia, to serve CCP China’s rise.

    A Saigon Moment in the Hindu Kush

    Beware of what the Fake News serves up on a silver platter. Whatever the USG has been attempting to do in Afghanistan for the last 20 years, it’s the other relevant powers that made sure not to repeat the Vietnam/US analogue. The dirty little secret is that the continued US occupation in Afghanistan was a gift to all of the other relevant powers, most especially China.

    Until Trump (and it’s one of the myriad reasons anyone who is anybody, foreign and domestic, signed onto “Trump Must Go!”), the USG continued to make everyone rich and gave away the geopolitical store in return for not killing our personnel.

  41. gatobart says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Now, look at White America. It is totally occupied and controlled by Jews who promote blackness and diversity while shaming whites into moral paralysis and thrilling them with jungle fever”

    I am totally honest when I say that one of the greatest intellectual shocks I have had in my entire life was to watch more than 80 million “Americans”, mostly of them White, and at least half of them men, having their election of a president of the U.S. of A. stolen (nov. 2020-Jan. 2021) and doing absolutely nothing about it. Absolutely nothing. Come on, these are the same White “Americans” Hollywood has been blasting our balls for generations with as the collective Alpha Males of the Planet…! The ones that tough guys Humphrey Bogart, John Wayne and others played so well on the screen. The ones who stormed the beaches of Normandy & Iwo Jima, who took half of Europe from the Nazis and who gave the world the iconic Frontier cowboy, the epic incorruptible cop and the daring war pilot and astronaut. Where are they now…?

    A couple of years ago, President Evo Morales of Bolivia, a little Andean country in South America was toppled in a military coup under the phony excuse of the local elite that he had stolen his last election. Immediately after there were many thousands of Bolivians, mostly poor peasants, taking to the streets and confronting, unarmed, heavily armed police and military forces. As they didn’t have anything to throw at them except stones, they paid a heavy price, hundreds of dead and many more wounded. But their struggle gave a fruit, it forced the usurpers to do something about it, which they did by calling a new presidential election, but forbidding the deposed president Morales to run again. No problem, said Morales, as he presented his second in command as the new candidate. In the new election their Party won by a landslide and so they were back in power. And I am talking about a little, poor, Indian, country in South America…! A country so poor it doesn’t have a movie industry or TV chains rich enough to churn out flick after flick showing brave and heroic Bolivian cops, SWAT teams, soldiers, Marines, Navy Seals, CSIs, CIAs, FBIs and even rogue elements who do the right thing, at least right from their own POV, taking all risks to their lives to achieve the purpose they are set to achieve, solve a crime, make the bad apples pay, restore justice and law in a city, country, etc. And the saddest thing is that “Americans” who don’t deserve such an honor, who are not up to the task, are the ones receiving it even if only in that imaginary world…! The same “Americans’ who sat on their balls while a whole presidency was stolen from them while little country of poor Indians in South America did have the courage to do that fight. Since then I have no respect for the White “American” Male and whatever happens to him will be richly deserved. BTW, your phony TV heroes suck. “America”.

  42. Realist says:

    The US is on the verge of its own second Vietnam repeated as farce in a haphazard retreat from Afghanistan

    Good.

    The fiasco in Korea, seventy years ago was nothing to be proud of either. And the unwarranted hegemony in Iraq and Syria is an embarrassing disaster. The fact is the U. S. empire sucks.

  43. It’s about time they left. Victory to the Afghan people against the imperialist butchers of NATO and USA. May Zbignew Brzezinski rot in hell.

  44. Realist says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Good grief. more we lost Vietnam nonsense.

    The truth seems to upset you.

    Unless we took on the role of a total war scenario in completely and utterly decimating the Taliban, any effort was a toss up.

    Then what the fuck was the point???

  45. @alwayswrite

    Pepe just wants the US to lose. He also wants the romance of a local culture crushing renewed Silk Road, which by the way should help the CIA keep their poppy trade afloat. It is all one big soap opera drama brought to you by the bank of Rothchild. We the little people are just expendable and unpaid extras. Probably also human sacrifices to their moon or sun god.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  46. Che Guava says:

    Pepe, I find your enthusiasm for the Taliban a little unseemly.

    However, it is sure a case of chickens come back to roost, after all, Carter and Brzezinski set it all off as an attack on a relatively good govt. there.

    So, in a way, karma.

  47. Maddaugh says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    These issues could be easily resolved if the US had done one simple thing, mind their own business ! When asked to help anywhere other than the US, President should simply state “It is none of our business. Countries must solve their own problems.” We could then solve our own issues.

    This monkeying around in other peoples affairs is like inserting oneself in the neighbour’s domestic squabbles. It always leads to the disaster.

    Afghanistan has been a difficult proposition since Alexander the Great. These people, want to be left alone to live as they did in the middle ages. Now the Chinese are moving in. I wish them well.

    This fiasco is not over. The next fallout is the thousands of Afghan refugees that will flood the US and they in turn will bring over every relative, legally or illegally, creating yet another storm of social problems in America.

    Human beings love to create their own problems and the Washington boys are adept in this regard.

  48. Good article except for the nonsense about the CIA directing the heroin trade. This “The CIA is behind the drug trade” bosh has been around for years. It is true that during the Vietnam years a blind eye was turned by some CIA personnel to opium smuggling, but neither they nor the CIA profited from it. The CIA does not need drug money to fund its so-called “black ops”. It has the U.S. Treasury Department, and the money is all off the books as far as Congress is concerned. Yes, I have been there and I know what I am talking about.

  49. It’s heartening to see globalists fall to nationalists.

    We can all learn from the bravery and dedication of the Taliban.

  50. @alwayswrite

    Besides all those Central Asian countries will get burned with climate change….

    …if they don’t all die of Covid first.

    • LOL: Daniel Rich, Bro43rd
  51. gotmituns says:

    All this stuff is just testing new gear for the shitbird, military-industrial complex. “Winning or Losing” doesn’t enter into the concept of going into these places and wreaking havoc and destruction on a population. It’s all about the next pentagon order for the news crap these companies have developed.

    • Agree: Old Prude
  52. @Ray Caruso

    Ray,but,but….but,it’d be an unfortunate accident like that one in Beirut last year wasn’t a Russian involved in that? So since all Russians are genetically mutations and can’t help but commit crime the world could simply blame them 😊

    Anyway all those criminals in Russia are gonna destroy the place,well they’ve been at it for years but under Putler,who incidentally is a FSB doppelganger, the place has slid effortlessly back into an authoritarian cess pit,even worse than under the old Soviets,at least they pretended to have some sort of programme,these ‘ Putin ‘ criminals are just out for plunder

    I wonder what they did with the original Putin though ?

    Probably a typical mafia stunt,you know in the concrete under that ghastly pallace thing that navalny was investigating,maybe thats why the FSB novichoked him

    • LOL: Fred777
    • Replies: @Fred777
  53. @Old and Grumpy

    Blimey and i thought it was green lizard people sat in Buckingham palace who ran the show 👽

  54. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    As always, Malla, trying to conceal the historic reality burying it under a landslide of babble and blather and random quotes that may be accurate but that don’t come anywhere near unveiling the roots of situations and conflicts. But the most frustrating thing about your long diatribes is that your rabid anti-Communism makes you oblivious to fundamental facts that are essential, to the point that, even acknowledging them at some point, you gloss over them as if they were only negligible, unimportant details rather than critical components of the whole situation. The best example:

    “The only thing about him (Diem) was that he was too hardcore Catholic in a Buddhist majority country”

    Oh man. That “only thing” that you disregard with such a regal contempt was one of the causes, if not THE cause, of the whole war…! (Anyone who has read Fletcher Prouty’s “JFK” knows that by heart) But you are so driven by your rabid, uncompromising hatred of Communism that you are incapable of recognizing the fact that imposing to an entire population of tens of millions of Buddhists the dictatorship of a very tiny Catholic minority (a religious minority on top of that…!) is a recipe for disaster, the best way for war and mayhem. (How about imposing on all Israeli Jews a dictatorship of Muslim Arabs…? and even that is not an accurate comparison, as the Cathoilic minority in Vietnam was way, way smaller) But no, for Malla that is “Just a thing”, a detail. After all, Diem was as much of an anti-Communist fighter as you like them so 40 million Vietnamese should have learned to suck it and live with it…! Of course for you is a minute thing also the fact that even President Eisenhower recognized that if free and open elections had taken effect in the whole of Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would have gotten up to 80% of the popular vote. So, even the US government recognized that had it let the Vietnamese people express their free will electing their leader, 8 out of 10 would have chosen Ho, not Diem. But for you that is also just a detail.

    Eisenhower’s Views on the Popularity of Ho Chi Minh

    “I am convinced that the French could not win the war because the internal political situation in Vietnam, weak and confused, badly weakened their military position. I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the population would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader rather than Chief of State Bao Dai. Indeed, the lack of leadership and drive on the part of Bao Dai was a factor in the feeling prevalent among Vietnamese that they had nothing to fight for. As one Frenchman said to me, “What Vietnam needs is another Syngman Rhee, regardless of all the difficulties the presence of such a personality would entail.”
    https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/vietnam/ddeho.htm

    See why I stopped taking you seriously quite a while ago…? Because no matter how much you may know about subjects, your impassionate hatred and fanaticism for or against some people or things makes your comments completely useless for any reader who wants to really educate himself on the matter. Eisenhower himself recognized that Ho Chi Minh could have become the Vietnamese Putin, but for you that fact is worthless, the only possible choice for Vietnam was your own favorite anti-Communist, Diem.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @BN
  55. Schuetze says:
    @Malla

    “In 1977, National Review alleged that some 30,000 South Vietnamese had been systematically killed bythe Communists using a list of CIA informants “left behind” by the US embassy. A list left behind on purpose maybe? how careless!!”

    Just another one of those CIA moments of plausibly deniable masonic idiocy. Like the time they had Major Jordan ship all of the plans, machinery and even refined Uranium for making the atomic bomb off to Stalin, even when it was clear that Germany was already on the verge of collapse. Or when they handed North Korea over to Stalin even when he hadn’t helped with the defeat of Japan, and then they forgot to take all the Japanese weapons and armor away from the North while stripping the South, so that this could be used in their planned Communist takeover of China, and again later in the Korean War.

    Its all one gigantic Judeo-Masonic puppet show. Jews run China, Jews own Putin, Jews control the EU, and I don’t think I really need to point out how Hebrew Biden’s cabinet is.

    Communist China was created by the Jews and serves their interests.

    Jewish roots of Russian president Vladimir Putin.

    • Thanks: Bro43rd
    • Replies: @Malla
  56. @David Rodriguez

    Good article except for the nonsense about the CIA directing the heroin trade.

    People who believe in that theory can never explain how it’s in the interests of either the CIA or the U.S. government to have millions more junkies in the U.S.

    The same people also believe that the U.S. invaded Iraq “to take all the oil”, but can’t explain why they would do that when the U.S. can buy, produce or steal all the oil they need from elsewhere.

    Both nonsensical theories were probably created by the CIA themselves to cover something much more sinister, and probably involving Israel.

    • Replies: @showmethereal
  57. @Maddaugh

    Across America, Canada, Australia, Britain, Germany…. families who lost loved ones are now coming to terms with the fact it was for nothing.

    With Viet Nam, they could cling to the myth they’d contained Communism (a bit), but Afghanistan represents nothing at all.

    There will be fallout on the home front from this debacle which isn’t yet calculated.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Old Prude
  58. gatobart says:
    @Malla

    “Now Indians are a vengeful lot, especially those from states like my Utter Pradesh or Haryana etc.. You insult and humiliate someone there, they will take revenge, hide in the shadows with a knife in his teeth for the most opportune moment”

    And I guess you still have A LOT to learn about the true meaning of “praising your own folks to the skies” as you don’t seem to be entirely clear on the concept. Anyway, I don’t think there will be any Indian MN out there trying to hire you as Public Relation man in the near future. Or in the distant one.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  59. nsa says:

    Religion and race are always fault lines. Notice the “south” vietnamese quislings adopted the vile catholic religion of their french colonizers, making the indochinese wars religious as well as political.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  60. @Carlton Meyer

    Narcotics is the whole reason why the USA continues to occupy Afghanistan. The “Golden Triangle” in Southeast Asia has been replaced by the “Golden Crescent” in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan.

    This is concealed by endless chatter about the Taliban.

    Furthermore the US “withdrawal” from Afghanistan is a hoax. For every soldier in Afghanistan there are 20 armed “contractors” who will remain indefinitely to oversee the production of narcotics.

    This fact is all over the Internet, as are photos that show US soldiers guarding Afghan poppy fields.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  61. @Carlton Meyer

    As far as I can tell US foreign policy has descended into a fragmented money/power grab within the Deep State. I don’t see any overall policy other than, as Pepe would say, furthering the “chaos” side of the Empire. Maybe I don’t see the forest for the trees but none of the various steps I’ve seen so far with this administration make any sense other than illustrating my contention that a variety of contending forces are struggling to eat their portions of the federal budget. I say this as someone familiar with the Washington rackets.

  62. gatobart says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s hard to take seriously anyone who likens the invasion of Afghanistan to our withdrawal from Vietnam.

    Come on, cowboy, look at that first picture on top. You only have to photoshop the roof of the US Embassy under those troops’ boots to tell the whole story.

    • Replies: @Erebus
  63. @Maddaugh

    These issues could be easily resolved if the US had done one simple thing, mind their own business !

    FWIW you have my wholehearted agreement with this sentiment.

    However…

    When asked to help anywhere other than the US, President should simply state “It is none of our business. Countries must solve their own problems.”

    I’d wager 9 times out of 10 that whenever Team America ® invades, bombs up, trashes and destroys a country, no-one at all actually invited them in. They invite themselves in to unilaterally take over wherever on the planet they feel like, with cries of “Freedom & Democracy” as they do their best to genocide the locals out of existence.

    American “help” is like the Godfather’s “offer you can’t refuse”.

  64. Rdm says:
    @Polemos

    Look at those patriots at Walmart.

    Fighting for freedom at Afghan for 20 years and you can safely sing a song at Walmart. If they can’t see the stupidity and retardation yet, no one can save America.

    • Agree: Schuetze
    • LOL: Rabbitnexus
    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Rabbitnexus
  65. GMC says:
    @Arthur MacBride

    Well written -A M – I remember the day Saigon fell , i flew an old So. Vietnamese flag that I had brought home, not the VC one I had lol And got drunk with one of buddies that I was in Nam with. It must have been a terrible blood bath . I hope when domestic USA falls – there is a great bloodbath in Washington.

    • Thanks: Arthur MacBride, Alfred
  66. Hughes says:
    @gatobart

    Americans let the obvious coup happen with the assassination of John Frederick Kennedy, they let the obvious coverup of deliberate attack on USS Liberty, they make the obvious bullshit story of twin towers controlled demolitions as sacred truth that must be religiously believed, let G.W Bush start a war he didn’t even finish with Iraq and get away with it despite costing thousands of Americans lives and trillions of USD, let their future and trillions taxpayers dollars stolen right in front of their eyes twice 2008, 2020.

    I had a belief that Americans is the most bravest and just peoples in the world as a child. As i grew up and see for myself living for 7 years in the US i see those were just perceptions crafted by media and cosmetics they let us see. Of the high technology it boasts and claim to be the best in the world only the smallest percentage actually enjoys. You can go to Seoul, Tokyo, Beijing you can actually feel the futuristic high technology cities shaped by advance in technologies but if you go to New York suddenly you realizes the reality that the so called capital of the world is an old classical and somewhat rusting city that barely changes since the nineties.

    In the end i found out Americans is just like peoples back home in my ‘third world’ hometown. Cowards. The only differences is they’re too preoccupied in self praise and deluding themselves to be stuck up uncooperative and unpleasant neighbours to each others that they forgot to actually improve.

    • Replies: @Tony Schnee
  67. @Priss Factor

    “No Taliban ever called me a white supremacist.”

    • LOL: Old Prude
  68. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:

    “The terror group China fears the most
    East Turkestan Islamic Movement militant outfit threatens to stoke instability in Xinjiang after the US withdrawal from Afghanistan
    By SALMAN RAFI SHEIKH—https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/the-terror-group-china-fears-the-most/
    WTF!!!

    US removed TIP -East Turkestan Islamic Movement from its terror list – https://southfront.org/china-equipped-syrian-army-to-combat-turkestan-islamic-party-in-greater-idlib

    ISIS is being ferried to Afghanistan in helicopter and by other means (by USA) – according to SCO secretary general, Karzai, Iran, Russia .

    Taliban never used foreign mercenary to win the game in 1996. US brought foreign Mujaheddin in 1980 ,in 1991 (Azerbaijan ),in 2011 in 2013 in 2015, in 2017, in 2020
    and continues to use in 2021 foreign elements with beards,white clo
    thes, sandals and accompanied by veiled women sitting on the bed of the Toyota truck in the back .

  69. anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @beavertales

    Civilization die at the gates of Afghanistan . Some badly and immediately .Some take time plodding painfully to the self- dug grave .

  70. Jimmy1969 says:

    The Tide has turned Pepe; we had some fun over there. We bought some time, We are now bored with it. Americans no longer want to sacrifice their sons for nothing. And also, you know nothing about Vietnam.

  71. KA says:
    @gatobart

    He wrote directly to the American Secretary of State in a telegram, ten days before the peace talks began in Paris 1919:

    “(1) General amnesty for all the native people who have been condemned for political activity.
    (2) ….granting to the native population the same judicial guarantees as the Europeans have, and the total suppression of the special courts which are the instruments of terrorization and oppression against the most responsible elements of the Annamite people.
    (3) Freedom of press and speech.
    (4) Freedom of association and assembly
    (5) Freedom to emigrate and to travel abroad.
    (6) Freedom of education, and creation in every province of technical and professional schools for the native population.
    (7) Replacement of the regime of arbitrary decrees by a regime of law.
    (8) A permanent delegation of native people elected to attend the French parliament in order to keep the latter informed of their needs.”- document

    As usual France rejected the paltry demand for autonomy let alone entertain thought of applying the ideas of WW1 or of Wilson or of French Revolution – to third world- that is freedom liberty and safety

    Not only that it introduces religious disharmony out of thin air to keep the pot boiling in hatred and corruption .

    Puts some Christian guy as president He was no Nazibullah of 1996 Afghanistan , he was Noreiga ,Pincohet and Batista combined .

    So what young Ho Chi Minh does ”

    “Much to the retrospective regret of the U.K., U.S., and France, Hồ Chí Minh found great company in communism, rather than democracy or republicanism. One year after this rejected declaration, he helped found the French Communist Party (Parti Communiste Français). “

    Was it wrong ? No. Fidel did same . That was perfect things to do .

    USA does it all the times but for evil purposes – using Nazi, head choppers , dictators ,money launderers ,bank,IMF,WB to fuck the rest of the world . Britain did same vile gang -banging for 300 years .It still does .

    Ref- https://briahistorica.com/2017/03/30/what-did-the-1919-paris-peace-conference-have-to-do-with-the-vietnam-war/

    • Thanks: Commentator Mike
    • Replies: @gatobart
  72. anon[127] • Disclaimer says:

    Taliban, roll right on to DC.
    You would be a better gov’t.

  73. gatobart says:
    @KA

    True. Both Fidel Castro and Ho Chi Minh begged Washington for friendly relations, to be a pal. but Washington refused in both cases preferring to declare a state of war with both Communist Cuba and a potential Communist Vietnam. Being both Nationalist Communists they couldn’t understand why the U.S. wouldn’t treat them as another Communist country that was some kind of a favourite of the West, Tito’s Yugoslavia. Ho had even worked for US Intelligence during ww2, the predecessor of the CIA, the OSS, expecting some payback in the future, when the time would come for him to fight for Vietnam independence from France, but Truman flatly refused to assist him and so did Eisenhower. The U.S., could have actually occupied Vietnam militarily, established bases all over it, and it could have done it as a friend and as an ally. Ho had offered them as much because the enemy he feared the most was the one that Vietnam had faced historically, China, and he saw the U.S. as a protector but the U.S. preferred to wage war against him and 58.000 “Americans” paid with their lives for this decision, not to count the millions of Vietnamese victims.

    • Agree: Mustapha Mond
    • Replies: @Dingo bay rum
  74. BorisMay says:

    What doesn’t ring true in all this is that the Shia controlled north of Afghanistan is willingly submitting to the Salafist Sunni Taliban.

    Pepe Escobar shewed his ignorance regarding the Shia and Sunnis in his article regarding the Pamir Highway.

    The Uzbeks and Tajiks are non-aligned Muslims and much of northern Afghanistan is the same.

    Thus what Pepe is claiming is that liberal Muslims are submitting to Salafist Taliban.

    I just do not believe this.

  75. Old Prude says:
    @beavertales

    The West Point Alumnus magazine recently had a series of stories about all the medals for heroism grads had won during the W.O.T. like that was a great bragging point. They can’t face the fact that it was all in service of nothing. Worse than nothing: An enormous waste of time and treasure and blood, while the homeland has been undergoing a slow motion peasant invasion.

    As General Milley showed us with his arrogant blathering and bombast – these military blowhards don’t give a rat’s rear end about how wasteful and destructive they are to America and the rest of the world. Its all about their egos, their sinecures and their precious pensions.

    What kind of dope is proud of losing two the last two wars?

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @gatobart
  76. @EliteCommInc.

    more we lost Vietnam nonsense.

    If rooftop evacuation means victory, then Germany won WWII. To help celebrate its victory it invited Soviet, American, British, and French troops to its territory.

  77. gatobart says:
    @A little boy in the crowd

    Furthermore the US “withdrawal” from Afghanistan is a hoax. For every soldier in Afghanistan there are 20 armed “contractors” who will remain indefinitely to oversee the production of narcotics.

    Not really. have you ever heard of tripping wires…? By definition a tripping wire is “a small military force that could be used as the pretext or the cause for the displacement of far bigger formations”. If you get this definition then you will understand the crucial difference between say, 10.000 contractors or mercenaries and (even) something as small as a company of US troops under the US flag. In the first two cases the Taliban, China, Russia, Iran, could kill hundreds, to massacre a good number of them, and that won’t be putting Washington in a position where the US will have to give a military response as these guys are civilians working for a paycheck and in no way under the US flag. In fact they are little more than your usual cannon fodder, they are expendable. On the other hand if a single rocket falls into a position occupied by US troops, under a US flag, killing half a dozen among them, Washington will be under heavy pressure to do something. In the end the Taliban will come out as the winner in this new situation, as they can practice target shooting with the contractors without much interference or reprisals, at least directly from the US military.

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  78. @anon

    Why would Washington consistently support divisive and destabilizing forces ?

    Washington only supports forces that can be wholly owned and commanded. Nobody with a shred of dignity qualifies. Naturally, this selects for the worst shits a country has to offer. Equally naturally, the worst shits in power tend to be divisive and destabilizing.

    • Replies: @Marshal Marlow
  79. @gatobart

    When people do nothing in front of an election stolen, when people don’t feel the need for any expression of revolt, well, this means the election was not so stolen after all, and that the projected victory was at least as inorganic as the actual result. Namely Trump lost both of his elections in terms of popular vote, and won the first thanks to fraud pulled off by Netanyahu and his close Russian-Jewish guard only as per the undemocratic system of great electors. Anyway Trump obeyed the orders like all the others and he was ordered to play the clown so as to humiliate the White thrash he imitated in a bold act of Whiteface so to speak : all that was kabuki. Trump said it very clearly, as he was the chief financier of the Clinton Clan, that if he were to get one day into politics he would do it as a Republican due to their voters being far easier to make vote against their own interests.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  80. AKAHorace says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    Thanks FTR, that was very helpful.

    Two other questions.

    I remember reading just after the US invasion in 2001 reading that there was a meeting of Afghan leaders who were asked what they wanted for their country. They asked for a return to the monarchy and were told that this was out of the question. If the US had allowed this would it have lead to a stable regime ?

    Are Afghan army units all national as in the US (so each unit has people from all over the country) or organized by region as for example in the Indian Army (so each unit from a particular area of the country) ?

  81. The US empire is on the verge of collapse. As long as it hangs on till 2040 I’ll enjoy my personal fiefdom in S FLA. After that WHO CARES??!!

    • Agree: Agent76
  82. @gatobart

    President Evo Morales of Bolivia, a little Andean country in South America was toppled in a military coup under the phony excuse of the local elite that he had stolen his last election

    It is notable that virtually all Latin Americans in their comments called the bitch brought to “power” by that coup “usurpadora”. It is natural that having lost the elections by a landslide, this usurpadora was arrested for numerous crimes committed while she played “president”. It is hilarious that during her arrest she was hiding under a bed. Illustrates the quality of puppets the US picks.

  83. Agent76 says:

    Jun 22, 2021 It’s About Time! Congress Votes To Repeal Iraq War Authorization

    Last week the US House voted to repeal the 2002 authorization to attack Iraq. After nineteen years and perhaps a million dead Iraqis, nothing was achieved by the war but death and destruction.

    • Replies: @Avery
    , @Old Prude
  84. Fred777 says:
    @alwayswrite

    Putin jailed or chased out the criminals, so they ran to London or Tel Aviv to await their revenge.

    They are still waiting. 🙂

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  85. @gatobart

    Horseshit,” if Ho Chi Minh is such a sweet guy the george washington of Veitnam ,then Hitler is the george washington ,abraham lincoln and the thomas jefferson of germany all rolled into one.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  86. Clyde says:

    Pepe – Your anti-America poses have made you into a female hysteric. Our Afghan retreat was a minor debacle compared to Saigon in 1975. You are the perennial ChiCom and Iran booster. *Pathetic* But since you are the ultimate traveler and ultimate rootless cosmopolitan, it’s all good ’cause no nation gets to tax you. How delicious was your last kebab and where did you eat it?

    (I dare you to allow this to be posted. But anyways FOAD, same as I say to all ChiCom loser symps.)

  87. @Fred777

    Fred,Putin did jack shit,he replaced one set of criminals with another from his gang/ clan

    I wish people would stop with this mythology about Putin,he didn’t get rid of anyone he basically got rid of some criminals he thought a threat then lived off the high oil price which he dressed up as some sort of economic miracle

    Well his economy isn’t looking very miraculous now is it

    • Replies: @Alfred
  88. Avery says:
    @Agent76

    { nothing was achieved by the war but death and destruction.}

    Was achieved.

    The purpose of the illegal* invasion by US & UK was death and destruction: destroy Iraq as a viable state. Loot the US taxpayers of $10s of Billions of dollars by Globo Corporations (e.g. Halliburton). Lots and lots of promotions for the brass, and “wartime” bonuses. Insane salaries for civilian contractors working in the Green Zone. And on, and on,, and on.

    The bonus would have been the theft of Iraqi oil, but that didn’t pan out as the thieves had hoped.

    So a few hundred thousand Ayyyyraab Iraqi civilians and children got killed: who cares? (ask the evil witch Albright). War criminals Bush and Blair are enjoying safe and secure retirement with their children, while 10s of 1,000s Iraqi families were decimated by the bloodthirsty goons.

    What a sick world.
    ________________
    * British eventually admitted their invasion was Illegal via the Chilcott Report.

  89. @gatobart

    And never, ever forget that most brilliant of brilliants, Elon Musk, was not only firmly on the side of the murderous Bolivian oligarchs, he openly bragged about the coup being somehow ‘his’ doing:

    “We will coup whoever we want. Deal with it.”

    Guess the loss of hundreds of innocent lives of poor and destitute people’s protesting the theft of their government pale in comparison to the needs of an egomaniacal asshole to flaunt his so-called ‘power’.

    The same asshole who tried to get rid of his assembly workers at Tesla via automation, and failed miserably. Obviously, he’s an altruistic elite who really cares about the ‘little guys and gals’ of the world. (Like Bill Gates. And Fauci.)

    As for Musk, keep an eye on this one. He reeks of unrestrained egomaniacal psychopathy, and is likely capable of far worse, I suspect……

    (Thanks for a fine post, gatobart!)

    • Replies: @HeebHunter
    , @hillaire
  90. @AKAHorace

    I can’t tell about the so called Afghan Army, but in any case its full of ghost soldiers and Taliban infiltrators. The tale of Zahir Shah (ex King) in 2001 is interesting. His role, whether as long or as some kind of national unification leader, has virtually been decided on by the foreign counties who were deciding such things then, including Russia, Iran, EU members and Shah himself. Then out of nowhere, literally in the middle of the night, Hamid Karzai was imposed as “leader”. These days Karzai shows some semblance of a spine, but at that time he was a servile American lackey and his brother Wali Karzai, later assassinated by persons unknown, a warlord. I have read some claims, by the way, that Hamid Karzai is an ex UNOCAL employee. It is certain that after the Taliban took Kabul in 1996, the Clinton regime was very enthusiastic about pushing a UNOCAL pipeline through Afghanistan from the Central Asian republics; and that it was only when Mullah Omar signed the pipeline deal with Argentina’s BRIDAS that the Taliban suddenly became America’s enemy. Earlier, America was even the only country that had not condemned the Taliban murder of President Najibullah.

    Therefore the idea from 2001 was to put a puppet in charge to do America’s bidding. Axiomatically this puppet would not be representing Afghan interests. And therefore Zahir Shah, or for that matter any other non-puppet leader, would have been better. The Taliban would have still revived over time, in all probability, but chances of success in retaining control would have been brighter.

  91. Old Prude says:
    @Agent76

    The boys in green got some medals and a right sleeve shoulder patch, so something was accomplished as far as General Milley and his fellow careerist lick-spittles are concerned.

    What’s a couple ruined countries, tens of thousands of dead, hundreds of thousands of maimed, when you can get yourself a nice pension?

    • Agree: FLgeezer, AnonfromTN, Agent76
    • Replies: @Agent76
  92. @Mustapha Mond

    (((Elon Musk))) is an autistic retard puppet, and “his” company is literally living on government gib me dat.

    But of course, low IQ lolbergs refuse to see the truth.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  93. Well there goes the fentanyl price. A Opium by Taliban and Fentanyl by ChiCom war will be a complete disaster for whites suffering from white guilt caused by forced worshiping and indoctrination of Negroism via CRT, Hollywood, technopolies, Judaeo Global Homoism and messiah occultism.
    And since it will be legalized or given no crime status to sedate a woke and brain dead populous, we can expect additional power grabs by our overlords until nano nukes (Lethal Dust) fall from the sky.
    Your digital twin awaits final uploading instructions.

  94. @usNthem

    Its pretty goddamn sad. America stormed into Afghanistan 20 years ago and ousted the Taliban, and after 2 decades of pointless fighting, the Taliban are now taking back the country. The Americans are getting kicked out on their asses, AGAIN. This is a real stain on the image and reputation of the U.S. military. All that bravado from the blowhards and the chickenhawks about how they were ‘winning the war’ looks very stupid in hindsight.

    • Agree: Old Prude, showmethereal
  95. I’m just so sick and disgusted by the American population I can vomit. They are so stupid and naive. They easily bought into the faggotry is OK thing, pedophilia next, 9-11 Hoax, JFK, etc, etc..

    Now they are easily brainwashed to hate their own country and think racism is some terrible thing when in reality it is practiced worldwide with enthusiasm and without shame. Racism is normal and natural you idiots, and not that big a deal in the scheme of things.

    Who are these retards that went to Afghanistan to murder other retard degenerates that have no connection to America? Didn’t any of you find out what Vietnam was all about.? Money you assholes, it was about blowing shit up so the JEWS and their Shaboos Goy fags could build more at 3x the price and fleece the populace. Same same for Afghanistan.

    A nation of retards. Christ, it’s pathetic. Maybe it’s better most of you die off from the “shot”?

  96. By-tor says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “Perhaps this is just a move to redirect resources to confront China. But given the neocons see Iran as the ultimate target, this may be sign of bad things to come.”

    Not to confront China, but to confront Russia.

    • Replies: @Druid
  97. @Malla

    “For Commies anybody who is not Commie is “Western cuck” while the Commies secretly get behind the scenes help from the West. It is a nice trick they have there, the Western elites and the Commie elites working together behind the scenes. No country has helped Commies more than Murica, behind the scenes and now the Murican deep State is finally trying to Bolshevise Murican society itself.”

    Yes. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to Mr. Escobar that the United States’ withdrawal and his predicted takeover by the Chinese is actually part of the Grand Script. We have played our part, now it is time to bow out and allow the forces of modern manufacturing capitalism and finance to take over. It is no longer useful for the U.S. soldier to impose order so now he is withdrawn and will be shipped to some other spot to play his part there.

    What Mr. Escobar takes to be incompatible, mutually exclusive antagonisms are actually just moments in a Hegelian/Marxist Aufhebung. The first stage was fanatical Taliban. Second was U.S. military opposition. Now comes commercial China to lift Afghanistan out of poverty and lever it into the modern world order.

    This is the script as it is written by the Global Elite. The U.S. role in this drama is not as a manufacturing nation, but as Finance Central, farmers and soldiers/enforcers.

    What America needs is a new class of Princes who will rise up against the autocratic Tyrant who wields power arbitrarily over us, we the people under his dominion. Our former Princes of Technology and manufacturing have abandoned us. Where they will come from, I haven’t a clue.

    • Agree: hillaire
    • Thanks: Malla
  98. @usNthem

    Afghanistan looks to be part of the Belt and Road project with Israel and China. I expect the Chinese will be taking over after the US leaves with nothing to show for our efforts.

  99. The US overthrew a popular democratically elected President of Bolivia last year and replaced him with a banking whore and nobody even noticed.

  100. @Naughtius Maximus

    The US overthrew a popular democratically elected President of Bolivia last year and replaced him with a banking whore and nobody even noticed.

    Bolivians noticed. The “whore” (who was no more than the US figurehead) with her accomplices murdered many Bolivians who protested the coup. She had an election when she couldn’t postpone it any more. The Bolivians handed the US puppets a landslide defeat. The whore was arrested (despite hiding under the bed). I hope she and her accomplices will be punished for their crimes. Firing squad seems to be a very lenient punishment.

  101. Schuetze says:
    @HeebHunter

    If someone, or some entity, managed to hack the Tesla OS and cause every moving Tesla across the planet to lock their doors and spontaneously ignite like that recent Tesla “plaid”, I wonder how many goyim hating chicken swingers would be “holocausted”. Are there 6 million Teslas on the road?

  102. @Naughtius Maximus

    And nobody noticed…

    We noticed, but the Western media outlets didn’t talk much about it, since the USA sponsored the coup in order to get access to Bolivia’s massive deposits of lithium.

    The USA installed its new president, Jeanine Áñez, on 12 Nov 2019. Áñez lasted a year, and lost a new election on 18 Oct 2020.

    Her replacement, Luis Arce, is a member of the Movement for Socialism party.

    So the pendulum has swung partially back toward the left.

  103. @EliteCommInc.

    Yeah, the US didn’t lose in Vietnam … it just didn’t win. Ditto for Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc.

    W had it right when he flew in to the carrier and declared victory in Iraq, but then the Deep State and NeoCucks suckered him into “nationbuilding,” much like they did in Afghanistan. If you think the $30k that is spent each year to educate a US student is egregious, do the math and figure out how many millions were spent each year to “educate” the girls in Afghanistan.

    The Byzantines and Sassanids slugged it out for decades, only for both to weaken and lose vast stretches of their territories to the up and coming Islamic Caliphate. The Sassanid Empire was finished in five years; the Byzantines soldiered on for another 800 years in a greatly diminished form that was plundered by its ostensible Western allies before ultimately succumbing to the Turks.

    It’s not clear at this point whether the US has a handful of years, decades, or centuries remaining in its life, but it likely won’t be as fun as the last 75 years.

    • Thanks: Old Prude
  104. @AKAHorace

    Afghans have always been a tribal people. What unites tribes? A foreign aggressor.

    Hopefully, the Afghans become one people under the Taliban but I doubt it. When the foreign aggressor has gone, it’s more likely they’ll revert to tribalism. That doesn’t mean war. They have a long tradition of the group that has the most military power being accepted as those who rule while allowing considerable local autonomy. Remember that the USA is a minority in NATO but rules it for only as long as they can convince the other, gullible members they have somebody or other to fear. Lacking fear, you’re back to negotiations between people who are largely equals.

    The people of the USA and other NATO countries are largely European members of one culture yet can’t even dream of one democracy. Yet they thought they could make others dream a dream they weren’t capable of themselves. At the same time, they assumed that the Afghans would obey them.

    How well do you think the Chinese would go at forcing democracy on NATO? Would it be easy to enforce obedience to China if NATO was a democracy? Would you fight for a NATO democracy and obedience to China? For a closer imitation to the Afghan situation, would the French, British or Germans? [email protected]

  105. Meanwhile America’s greatest ally shows how it’s done.
    Heroic soldiers face up to anything, women, kids, Bedouin …
    Just keep on demolishing their homes.
    Nothing fazes them, no international criticism, nothing at all …

    Must make Joe and the gang really proud, lift their spirits in current Afghan downer.

    https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2021/07/08/661807/70-Palestinians-including-36-kids-displaced-as-Israel-demolishes-homes-in-West-Bank-community-OCHA

  106. The failure in Afghanistan was clearly documented in this great 2013 documentary.

    • Thanks: dogbumbreath
  107. Polemos says:
    @Rdm

    But for real, have you ever been to some public space like this and was just hoping everyone burst into song, something uplifting or fun and one you know all the lyrics to? There can be such joy and energizing feeling of shared life when you are united in song with one another, knowing not only that you’re not alone but you can always find your place in the choir. I hear they sometimes sing in pubs.

    And, hey, notice there’s no masks?

    Look at the Bright Side 🤩

  108. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    The US plan is to create as much havoc and suffering in Central Asia as possible, to derail the BRI.

    No doubt the US will try anything under the sun to achieve your stated goal, but, let’s not forget, when this almighty country leaves Afghanistan, with its [wagged] tail between its shivering legs [like so many invaders before it], what chances will anything less mighty have…?

  109. Agent76 says:
    @Old Prude

    Thanks for your engagement. A secret very few people I have ever chatted with know.

    12 September 2019 Al Qaeda: The Data Base By Pierre-Henri Bunel

    British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-the-database-2/24738#sthash.rf9JNyIp.dpuf

  110. gatobart says:
    @Dingo bay rum

    No, I wouldn’t go that far. Of course not, Ho Chi Minh wasn’t the George Washington of Vietnam. After all he didn’t own slaves so he didn’t use the women he possessed as slaves as his personal concubines. He wasn’t either renowned for his bad temper, let alone for being a snob that hated mingling with the lower classes.

    He didn’t believe either in forcing half of the Vietnam population into his fold one way or another even at the price of a genocidal war and of course he wasn’t willing to kill half a million Vietnamese to achieve his purpose of a united country, which was unnecessary anyway as Eisenhower himself had recognised that if free and open elections had been held in Vietnam in the 50s up to 80% of the people would have voted for him, so he wasn’t a Lincoln either.

  111. @Agent76

    So far as that goes, after obsessively researching ISIS for years, and reading everything on and more importantly by the group, I have come to the conclusion that ISIS doesn’t exist. It is just a term used to create bogeymen to ISIS imperialist occupation. Oh, the rank and file exist, to chop heads and create mayhem, but there isn’t any such group except as a marketing term. Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, for example, is someone I am absolutely certain was never real.

  112. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    Yes. The US is on the wrong continent. It is actually in North America and should stay there, instead of trying so hard to break up Asia. What is it, 150 years now?

  113. @hohoho

    Maybe you’re confusing it with Operation Freakish Mind, in which the United States declared war on a plant and an idea, and decided to smash Asia and bomb the Pacific Ocean. Frequent Wind aka Blowhard was their apologies to “israel” for imagined slights, not being generous enough, and imprisoning “is” spies.

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  114. anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Hybrid war could replace ‘forever war’ in Afghanistan
    US may think it can perpetuate Afghan conflict in another guise but any Syria-like hybrid war plan is doomed to fail
    The British daily The Telegraph — London was considering t– “to provide training to Afghan units and deploy with them on the ground as advisers.”

    At the same time, The New York Times reported that the White House had approved General Austin Miller, the top American commander in Afghanistan, staying on at his post for “at least a couple more weeks,” although US troop withdrawal was complete.

    Connecting the dots, it appears that the US is trying hard to replace the “forever war” in Afghanistan with a Syria-like hybrid war.
    Uzbekistan and Tajikistan were recently invited to Washington for consultations

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has hit out at sections of Afghanistan’s ruling elite who are collaborating with Washington’s hybrid-war plans,

    the Taliban have also shown savviness to prevent other Afghan groups from uniting behind Ghani
    no regional state bordering Afghanistan wants the war to continue in any form.—–

    https://asiatimes.com/2021/07/hybrid-war-could-replace-forever-war-in-afghanistan/

    US media , warlords, corrupt Pakistani elite ,and US contractors ,and some rogue elements of Uzebkistan Tajikstan ( both recently visited DC ) might try to continue Syria style war with help of India. MbS will be visiting DC. Tajikstan has ben warned by Russia .

    Who knows where US efforts will reach- another blind alley possibly or how US will learn and return to real world .
    US still can survive this episode provided it doesn’t prolong the suffering of Afghanistan.

    Taliban has strong friends based on real interests .
    Old playbook will not work and can draw real painful backlash for US-UK- Saudi-Pakistan .

  115. At least everything the US left behind in Vietnam was made in the US. Now they leave Afghanistan 30 years of accumulated stuff Made in China.

    • Agree: Brad Anbro
  116. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    When people do nothing in front of an election stolen, when people don’t feel the need for any expression of revolt, well, this means the election was not so stolen after all

    Sorry guy, but as Sheldon Cooper would say, I can’t see you and I can’t hear you because we are both living in two completely different universes, separated both by a quantum singularity brought about by the Higgs bozon, the complex nature of a world made up of 26 folded dimensions and the strings theory crap. You are living in a weird, twisted world where the common inhabitant is the well know brainwasheed Americanis homo non-sapiens, which is known for his stupidity, his ignorance and above all his gullibility. A world where JFK was killed by a lone nut with a rifle who could fire cruise bullets and so capable of performing magic shots; a world where 911 was planned by a caveman in the mountains of Afghanistan and brought about by 15 dudes with only box cutters as weapons, of which 7 or 8 were found in the days after alive and kicking in their respective countries Middle East; an universe where Saddam Hussein had WMDs and where the Nicaraguans Sandinistas were about to invade Texas in the 1980s; an universe, where you live, where “America can print all the dollars it wants” and where Vladimir Putin gives badly needed money for the Russian economy to the Taliban so they do what they have been already gladly and for free for two decades already. That’s more or less the world you live.

    I live in this other universe, the one we call the real one, Reality and I got my two feet firmly set on it. A world where most of mankind lives, with the notable exception of many if not most Amerricans. A world where the presidential elections of Nov. 2020 in the U.S. were stolen by the dark forces lurking behind closed doors in Washington and Wall Street. A world where no matter the fact that about 1000 courageous citizens signed swore declarations (which mean that if they lied in them they would face jail terms) in which they confirmed that they had been witnesses of clear and repeated instances of fraudulent activities during the vote counting; no matter the fact that there were videos clearly showing Democrat vote counters expelling Republican reps. and then taking out boxes full of fake votes that had been hidden under tables and processing them; no matter the fact that there are videos where we can see Democrats expelling Republicans from the rooms where votes where being counted, something already illegal, and then continuing the counting after having closed the curtain of the windows through which these last could still oversee the process; a world where you live, I say, where despite all these irregularities punished by law (and that in any other civilised country would have made the whole voting process invalid) having taken place, the incredibly corrupt political class and Judiciary, not to mention the well paid hoes of the MSM, all unanimously agreed that there had been NO fraud, no irregular activities at all during the counting process..! so laughing in the faces of the entire world who was watching, and by doing so showed for all of us to see that the United States of America had become just another typical banana republic, this one with a half asleep puppet as a figurehead leader. At least Batista, Marcos, Idi Amin Dad and the rest of them in the Third World ruled their countries while still wide awake.

  117. Erebus says:
    @gatobart

    You only have to photoshop the roof of the US Embassy under those troops’ boots to tell the whole story.

    There were rooftop evacuations from the US Embassy in Saigon…… but most of the helicopter evacuations took off from the Embassy grounds.

    Hugh Van Es’ iconic photo taken in April, 1975 was actually the rooftop evacuation from an apartment building housing CIA personnel and which served as the CIA’s (informal) Saigon headquarters.
    It was still there, looking quite the same when I visited it about a decade ago. It’s still an apartment building.

    • Thanks: gatobart, showmethereal
    • Replies: @Malla
  118. gatobart says:
    @David Rodriguez

    “We’ll Know Our Disinformation Program is Complete When Everything The American Public Believes is False”
    William Casey, former CIA Director

    “We lie, we cheat, we steal”
    Mike Pompeo, former CIA Director

    “The CIA does not need drug money to fund its so-called “black ops””
    David Rodriguez

    Thank you David Rodriguez for giving us a very good example of the work the other two guys were talking about.

    • LOL: Biff
  119. @gatobart

    At least Batista, Marcos, Idi Amin Dad and the rest of them in the Third World ruled their countries while still wide awake.

    There was a precedent in the Third World when election fraud made corrupt senile half-corpse “president” – Mugabe in Zimbabwe. In the end Zimbabwean military had the balls to depose that disgrace. You can rest assured that the US military won’t have the balls.

  120. And it’s all over
    For the unknown soldier
    It’s all over
    For the unknown soldier

    Make a grave for the Unknown Soldier
    Nestled in your hollow shoulder
    The Unknown Soldier

    Breakfast where the news is read
    Television children fed
    Bullet strikes the human’s head

    And it’s all over
    The war is over
    It’s all over
    The war is over…

    From a song by The Doors, “Unknown Soldier”

    There is an awful lot of truth in that song. An awful lot of truth…

  121. Never go into any country without a clear exit strategy.

  122. @AnonfromTN

    Nobody with a shred of dignity qualifies

    Pretty much sums up all US ‘regime change’ programs. Well said.

  123. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    And I guess you still have A LOT to learn about the true meaning of “praising your own folks to the skies” as you don’t seem to be entirely clear on the concept.

    Here comes ghettofart the crackpot, with no idea what he is talking about. All these Marxist reading pussyboy drink coffee in some posh cafe and waste their time speaking gibberish. You have no idea how Indian states like Utter Pradesh and Bihar are. Full of mafias, gangs, abductions, forced marriages. You know shit. A pussyboy like this ghttofart would not survive a day there.

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  124. gatobart says:
    @Old Prude

    This may interest you:

    In October 1983 the Pentagon launched its invasion of the little island of Grenada (pop. 100.000) which had no army, no air force and of course no navy, despite which the US military gathered a force of two aircraft carriers with several destroyers and frigates plus an ammunition ship; dozens of warplanes and choppers, tanks and 7300 landing troops. All what Granada forces had to oppose them were some 700 Cuban armed with AK-47s and a few machine guns, so this wasn’t Iwo Jima, let alone Okinawa. Despite this fact the Cubans put so hard a resistance that it took several days for the Amurrican invaders to take control of the island. Now, the real weird part came after, something truly worthy of a Peter Sellers comedy. But let’s the very authoritative Washington Post tell that story:

    More Medals Than We Had Soldiers

    By Jeffrey Record;
    Jeffrey Record is a commentator on military affairs.April 15, 1984

    NAPOLEON OBSERVED that “a soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.” In today’s U.S. Army, however, one apparently does not have to fight at all to receive more than that.

    Last October U.S. military forces invaded the tiny island of Grenada. Although 7,000 Army officers and men actually took part in the invasion, and although the entire operation lasted only a few days and encountered but spotty resistance from the island’s isolated and hopelessly outnumbered Cuban defenders (only 18 U.S. servicemen were killed), the Army has to date issued no fewer than 8,663 medals. Many were given to soldiers who never set foot on Grenada, but stayed behind in the Pentagon or in bases in the United States from which the invasion was staged.

    The medals include one Silver Star, three Distinguished Flying Crosses, four Legion of Merits, 94 Purple Hearts, 40 Bronze Stars with V, 681 Bronze Stars (Meritorious), four Soldier’s Medals, 22 Defense Meritorious service Medals, 112 Meritorious Service Medals (Army), 173 Air Medals for Achievement, 51 Air Medals for Valor, 301 Joint Service Commendation Medals, 101 Army Commendation Medals for Valor, 4,581 Army Commendation Medals for Achievement and 2,495 Army Achievement Medals. Authorization for about 500 additional medals is now awaiting approval”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1984/04/15/more-medals-than-we-had-soldiers/dee01da3-382a-42cd-a368-08b921896182/

    If you wonder why so many medals, stop wondering., Granada and Panama 1989 have been the only two indisputable military victories by the country that has been the top military power in the world since ww2 and the one spending every year more than half of the global military budget.

  125. gatobart says:
    @Old Prude

    The West Point Alumnus magazine recently had a series of stories about all the medals for heroism grads had won during the W.O.T. like that was a great bragging point. They can’t face the fact that it was all in service of nothing. Worse than nothing:

    This may interest you:

    In October 1983 the Pentagon launched its invasion of the little island of Grenada (pop. 100.000) which had no army, no air force and of course no navy, despite which the US military gathered a force of two aircraft carriers with several destroyers and frigates plus an ammunition ship; dozens of warplanes and choppers, tanks and 7300 landing troops. All what Granada forces had to oppose them were some 700 Cuban armed with AK-47s and a few machine guns, so this wasn’t Iwo Jima, let alone Okinawa. Despite this fact the Cubans put so hard a resistance that it took several days for the Amurrican invaders to take control of the island. Now, the real weird part came after, something truly worthy of a Peter Sellers comedy. But let’s the very authoritative Washington Post tell that story:

    More Medals Than We Had Soldiers

    By Jeffrey Record;
    Jeffrey Record is a commentator on military affairs.April 15, 1984

    NAPOLEON OBSERVED that “a soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon.” In today’s U.S. Army, however, one apparently does not have to fight at all to receive more than that.

    Last October U.S. military forces invaded the tiny island of Grenada. Although 7,000 Army officers and men actually took part in the invasion, and although the entire operation lasted only a few days and encountered but spotty resistance from the island’s isolated and hopelessly outnumbered Cuban defenders (only 18 U.S. servicemen were killed), the Army has to date issued no fewer than 8,663 medals. Many were given to soldiers who never set foot on Grenada, but stayed behind in the Pentagon or in bases in the United States from which the invasion was staged.

    The medals include one Silver Star, three Distinguished Flying Crosses, four Legion of Merits, 94 Purple Hearts, 40 Bronze Stars with V, 681 Bronze Stars (Meritorious), four Soldier’s Medals, 22 Defense Meritorious service Medals, 112 Meritorious Service Medals (Army), 173 Air Medals for Achievement, 51 Air Medals for Valor, 301 Joint Service Commendation Medals, 101 Army Commendation Medals for Valor, 4,581 Army Commendation Medals for Achievement and 2,495 Army Achievement Medals. Authorization for about 500 additional medals is now awaiting approval”

    If you wonder why so many medals, stop wondering., Granada and Panama 1989 have been the only two indisputable military victories by the country that has been the top military power in the world since ww2 and the one spending every year more than half of the global military budget.

  126. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Listen, I gotta get this straight, go through my comment history, I am actually a very pro-China Indian, want good relations with China. If I was dictator and could get away with it, I would have solved the border issue, given China Arunachal Pradesh (but those who did not want to live in China would be given a chance to leave) and had a neutral foreign policy in between China and the West but pivoted to Russia. Hell I would have given independence to Kashmir (valley) too but only after they had paid compensation to Kashmiri Pundits, given Independence to the entire North East of India including Sikkim. Because I believe that the Chinese border claim has more merit and that China truly wants friendship with India which is beneficial to both.

    But you gotta understand the emotions of the Indian people (rightly or wrongly) about China before farting through your butthole on your face. I have already posted it somewhere else on Unz but a crackpot like you needs to see to understand. Check out this Indian patriotic song. Patriotic Song sung by a great Indian Muslim singer Mohammed Rafi.

    [MORE]

    00:00 minutes to 1:43 minutes
    Indian border village kid screams after seeing Indian border soldiers being killed by sneak attack by Chinese Imperialist Communist invaders.
    1:45 to 2:35 minutes
    A crippled Indian Army officer reports to his superior officer that they have not given up their posts to the foreign Imperialist Communist invaders even after heavy attack.
    2:35 to 3:01 minutes
    Poor Indian women from throughout the nation start donating their jewelry for the Indian Army in their fight against foreign Communist invaders. Indian women love wearing jewelry and donating it away is a big thing, donating it for their poor nation and motherland.
    From 3:01 minutes
    Millions of Indians, teeming millions flood the streets to welcome back the bodies of martyrs to the motherland and to protest aggressive action against the Indian motherland by foreign Communist Imperialists.
    4:51 minutes
    Communist Imperialist PLA soldiers try to rape a patriotic Indian border village woman during questioning.
    Finally at 5:31 minutes we see the border village boy saluting an Indian Army officer.
    The scene at 4:51 minutes where the Communist Imperialist PLA soldiers try to rape a patriotic Indian woman supporting her Indian army during interrogation was the most emotional to millions of poor Indians, because to 100s of millions of Indians she represented Mother India and “foreign Chinese invaders are trying to rape our holy motherland”. She also represented Goddess Sita, the most purest wife in Hindu mythology (remember the singer is Muslim Indian, very popular in Pakistan too) , wife of perfect Lord King Ram who came on Earth as avatar of Lord Vishnu to fight evil when injustice increases beyond a limit on Earth to bring justice on Earth.

    The lyrics in Urdu as well as its English translation during the PLA rape scene was such
    Urdu: Khech do apne khuun se zameen par lakeer, is taraf aane paaye na Raavan koi
    English Translation: Draw out a line upon this earth with your blood and do not let any foreign Imperialists (Communist Imperialist PLA) come this way

    Urdu: Tod do haath agar haath uthne lage, chuu na paaye na Sita kaa daaman koi
    English Translation: Break the enemy’s (foreign Imperialist Communist invaders) hand if his hand raises [against you] and let no one dishonor Sita (The Indian village woman at 4:51 minutes representing both Motherland and Goddess Sita for millions of Indians). After the rape attempt scene, the new scene shows the Chinese Imperialist PLA solider dead.

    Urdu: Raam bhi tum, tum hii Lakshman saathiiyon
    English Translation: You are both Ram and Lakshman, fellow countrymen (Lord Ram and his brother Laxman were the heroes of the Indian epic story Ramayana, where both fight the demon king Raavan to rescue Sita, the most perfect women in Indian mythology, here when this is sung, this shows a platoon of Indian soldiers marching , to save Indian motherland/ matru-bhumi from foreign Communist barbarian hordes just like Lord Ram and Laxman had saved Sita.)

    Urdu: Ab tumhaare hawaale watan saathiiyon
    English Translation: Now we entrust the heavy burden of protecting the holy motherland to you, fellow countrymen.

    You have no idea, what collective struggle the nation took during the 1962 war against Communist aggressors. They just does not go away from people’s mind this easily. I hope you understand now why Indians are anti-China and look at China as an Imperialist country (wrongly in my opinion) and it is no stooge of Murica. Indeed India itself chose to ally with Murica because of China. India remains staunchly pro-Russia and always will.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @YetAnotherAnon
  127. @anonymouseperson

    That only applies if you ever intend to exit in the first place.

  128. @gatobart

    All those acts of fraud together account for half a million ballots at most : a Republican victory could be won only thanks to pressure concentrated in the swing states and this time Trump met with superior raw pressure. In terms of popular votes there were seven millions more who absolutely wanted Trump out even though Biden was far from being a majority of Democrats’ choice. Had the US been a real democracy Trump wouldn’t have had the slightest chance to win even candidacy, nor Biden. What Trump has succeeded in building is a cult around his person that comprises about 40% of the US citizens to which about 5% undecided and sheer opportunists can be added (like Blacks rappers attracted by the advantageous benefits offered to all sorts of shady businesses) but beyond there is a glass ceiling he cannot rise through : he is facing another people, another country. It just happens that that other country, though comparable by population size, is bigger by 7 millions.

    • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon, El Dato
    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @gatobart
    , @gatobart
  129. ” i must have dreamt that part about Operation Frequent Wind, the greatest helicopter evacuation in history. Another such victory….”

    1975 yawn — S. Vietnamese civilians . . . embassy personnel

    “The truth seems to upset you.”

    Sometimes the truth is upsetting. But no less upsetting are falsehood, like “we lost a conflict we ended in 1973.”

    • Replies: @El Dato
  130. ” Come on, cowboy, look at that first picture on top. You only have to photoshop the roof of the US Embassy under those troops’ boots to tell the whole story.”

    1975 yawn — evacuation of US embassy personnel . . . nearly every western embassy departed Vietnam in 1975 . . . Us troops left in 1973, given the numerous discussions on this issue one would that people would have caught up.

    Images of the embassy evacuation are often used to support the contend that the US lost. But those images are totally reflective of reality — that reality

    The US military departed S. Vietnam after sceuring a treaty that the N. Vietnamese violated — no surprise there, North Vietnam violated every agreement on the issue of peace.

    ————————

    “If rooftop evacuation means victory . . . ”

    Pressed and answered. Good grief, this is not a secret. Laughing. Wow for a crowd that considers themselves media saavy, many of have been hooked line and sinker

    • Replies: @Badger Down
  131. anonymous[139] • Disclaimer says:

    Biden is quoted in the media as saying a Taliban takeover is “not inevitable”. If he says so then it must be true since he is known to have access to the best information available to any leader. What we’re seeing must be fake; our president knows better.

  132. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Here comes a Ghettofart (phew-nasty). The guy obviously knows shit and keeps blabbering his bullshit. Diem was a hardcore Vietnamese nationalist hated more by the French than Ho Chi Minh. His main problem was that he was extreme pro-Catholic (maybe because his family were killed by Buddhists), pro-Confucian but anti-Buddhist. That is what led to his unpopularity. the Viet Minh were very close to the Buddhists of Vietnam and anti-Catholic. If you do not know this, you do not understand Vietnam of that period.
    The Americans might have helped France formally but they actually wanted France out, behind the scenes. I have already written about the Imperial preference system of the British Empire. Of how Wall Street considered the colonial Empires as a bigger threat then the USSR. How the Americans (as well as Bilderburg group members) played a part in destroying Dutch Empire in Indonesia, where the Dutch had won every battle. How they forcefully forced the Dutch to give Western Papua to Indonesia from the Dutch even when the native Papuans did not want it, their Independence desires were crushed by “the International community”. About how Wall Street collaborated with the Communists in destroying colonial Empires in Africa.
    The French in Indo-China were more afraid of revolutionary material from the American Embassy than from the Soviet embassy. Stalin just after WW2 was not so interested in liberation movements as he knew that the USSR was economically devastated.
    There were many forces in Vietnam, from the Francophiles/ French Empire supporters like General Nguyễn Văn Hinh to Pan Asianist pro-Japanese Empire (but anti French) “Asia for the Asians” supporters like Prince Cuong Đe to Vietminh to Trotskyist (enemies of the Vietminh) as well as anti Communist anti-French Vietnamese nationalists.

    Like the Nationalist Party of Greater Vietnam (Dai viet or DVQDD) who were connected to the Chinese KMT nationalists. They had engaged in military attacks in an effort to gain independence from the French Empire. Many of them were trained in Chinese military academies in Yunnan run by the Chinese Kuomintang, before the Communists came to power in China. The party was pro-Japanese during World War II and after the partition of Vietnam in 1954, the Dai Viet were banned in the communist North Vietnam. They even opposed Ngo Dinh Diem.
    http://www.daivietquocdandang.net/

    Another Vietnamese nationalist group was the Viet Nam Quoc Dan Đang (Viet Quoc or VNQDĐ) again connected to the Chinese KMT nationalists. Again anti-French Empire, anti-Communists. In 1928, the VNQDD attracted substantial support among anti-French Vietnamese, provoking increased attention from the French Empire administration. This came after a VNQDD death squad killed several French officials and Vietnamese officials.

    • Replies: @RichardDuck
  133. Oy veh

    “Yeah, the US didn’t lose in Vietnam … it just didn’t win. Ditto for Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc.”

    If your opponent quits the fight and agrees to the terms you establish — as N. Vietnam did in 1973 — you win. Those terms were the same terms set in 1958, 1965, 1968 and in 1973 — you win. Now no doubt the duplicitous nature of N. Vietnamese communists meant that one had to keep their fingers crossed, but the N. Vietnamese were rebuffed by S. Vietnam until they were overwhelmed by N. Korean, S. Vietnamese, Chinese and Soviet “advisors” in 1975.

    The US has lost the following conflicts:

    War of 1812
    Iraq II
    Afghanistan

    the last two noted because those countries fell apart during US military presence and efforts. I think should head in again — absolute conflict where we decide all the term,s for warfare and its end. Though I have always contended that to deal with 9/11 actors invasion was unnecessary. But I certainly feel the pain of what our leaving might mean for those who supported and were encouraged by our effort.

  134. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    As you all may all see, all what it takes to completely peel off the thin, fragile, veneer of academic respectability and highbrow erudition in this “Professor” Malla and bring out, once again, the slum urchin with all his unsavory, unspeakable upbringing and his gutter tongue is to make him have his erudite ass handed to him in a plate during a debate. That is all what it takes to see Professor Malla regress back to the foul mouthed Calcutta open market goon or urchin he has always been under his distinguished facade.

  135. Malla says:
    @gatobart

    Ho Chi Minh also worked for the American secret service OSS, precursor to the CIA. Ho Chi Minh was American Secret Service OSS agent “Lucius.” OSS agent Charles Fenn met Ho Chi Minh describing him as articulate and charismatic, and both open and friendly to Americans. The OSS sent in “Deer Team,” commanded by Maj. Allison Thomas, who parachuted into the Viet Minh base area to train them. When Thomas and his team arrived in late July, they were greeted by a large banner proclaiming, “Welcome to Our American Friends.” With the tone for their work set, the Deer Team went about training the Viet Minh in the proper use of bazookas, carbines, and grenades. Before long, the Vietnamese-American Force was born.

    [MORE]

    American Secret service agent Allison Thomas standing alongside members of the Communist Viet Minh preparing for the march toward Hanoi

    After the end of WW2 in Vietnam, the Americans then accompanied the Viet Minh, now carrying new American weapons, to the capitol of Hanoi. With the Japanese Empire defeated and the French authorities still in prison, the Viet Minh quickly stepped in to fill the existing power vacuum. Viet Minh flags went up and the Vietnamese were jubilant. By the time the first Americans arrived in Hanoi on August 22 to help prepare for the formal Japanese surrender, the Viet Minh were firmly in control of the north. The man in charge of the American Mission to Hanoi was Capt. Archimedes Patti, whose team was greeted with the same warmth and respect that had been accorded the Deer Team earlier. On September 2, Patti and his American team watched as Ho Chi Minh read Vietnam’s Declaration of Independence before a crowd. This apparent US recognition of Ho Chi Minh and Vietnamese independence further inflamed French opinion against the USA. In the South, the head of the OSS mission to Saigon, Lt. Col. Peter Dewey, also angered the French. Although the Viet Minh in the south did not enjoy the same level of support as in the North, they were every bit as concerned with making a positive impression on the Americans.
    President Franklin Roosevelt’s opposition to European Empires were well known. He had insisted that in the 1941 Atlantic Charter. FDR wanted the United States firmly on the side of anti-colonialism, and “liberation movements” across the globe.

    Ho’s Viet Minh seized power and set up a provisional government in the wake of Japan’s withdrawal from Vietnam. This move violated a prior agreement between the member parties of the Vietnamese Revolutionary League, which included the Vietnamese Nationalist VNQDD as well as the Communist Vietminh, and Ho was pressured to broaden his government’s appeal by including the VNQDD. The Vietminh announced that they would abolish the mandarin governance system and hold national elections with universal suffrage in two hold. The VNQDD objected to this, fearing that the communists would perpetrate electoral fraud.
    After the seizure of power, hundreds of vietnamese anti-French nationalists returned from China, only to be killed at the border by the Communist Vietminh. The communists had no intention of sharing power with anyone in the long term and were involved in purely strategic exercise. The Ho–Sainteny agreement, signed on March 6, 1946, saw the return of French colonial forces to Vietnam, replacing the Chinese Nationalists who were supposed to be maintaining order. The Vietnamese Nationalist VNQDD were now without their main supporters. As a result, the VNQDD were further attacked by the French, who often encircled VNQDD strongholds, enabling Viet Minh attacks.The Vietnamese Nationalist VNQDD also assailed the Vietnamese communists of Ho Chi Minh for betraying the leading nationalist of the time—Phan Boi Chau—to the French Colonialists in return for a financial reward. Vietminh communist forces hunted down VNQDD troops, seizing arms and arresting party members, who were falsely charged with crimes ranging from counterfeiting to unlawful arms possession.The Communist Viet Minh massacred thousands of VNQDD members and other nationalists in a large scale purge. After driving the VNQDD out of their Hanoi headquarters on On Nhu Hau Street, the Communists constructed an underground torture chamber on the premises. They then planted exhumed and badly decomposed bodies in the chamber, and accused the VNQDD of gruesome murders, although most of the dead were VNQDD members who had been killed Communists. The communists made a public spectacle of the scene in an attempt to discredit the Vietnamese Nationalists, but the truth eventually came out and the “On Nhu Hau Street affair” lowered their public image.
    The Viet Minh collaborated with French colonial forces to massacre supporters of the Vietnamese nationalist movements in 1945–1946, and of the Trotskyists. Trotskyism was strong in the South, in Saigon-Cochinchina, they had been seen as a challenge by the Vietminh. From the outset, they had called for armed resistance to a French restoration and for an immediate transfer of industry to workers and land to peasants. The French Socialist leader Daniel Guérin recalls that when in Paris in 1946 he asked Ho Chí Minh about the fate of the Trotskyist leader Ta Thu Thau, Ho Chí Minh had replied, “with unfeigned emotion,” that “Thau was a great patriot and we mourn him, but then a moment later added in a steady voice ‘All those who do not follow the line which I have laid down will be broken.’

    Ho decided to negotiate a truce after fighting the French for several years. However one demand by the French was the return to French custody of a number of Japanese military officers (who had been helping the Vietnamese armed forces by training them in the use of weapons of Japanese origin) for them to stand trial for war crimes committed during World War II. Ho Chi Minh replied that the Japanese officers were allies and friends and he refused to surrender them, therefore he walked out to seven more years of war.

  136. Malla says:
    @Malla

    In the rape attack scene of the patriotic Indian woman (representing mother India) by Chinese PLA Imperialist Communist soldiers (4:51 minutes) in the video at post 127, the Urdu lines sung by great Muslim Indian singer Mohammed Rafi is very interesting.

    [MORE]

    Urdu: Khech do apne khuun se zameen par lakeer, is taraf aane paaye na Raavan koi
    Translation: Draw out a line upon this earth with your blood and do not let any foreign barbarian demons (Chinese PLA) come this way
    When this is sung at 4:47 minutes we see an Indian solider with his stomach wounded, crawling on the ground and thus creating a line on the ground with his own blood. This is related to the Ramayana, where Ram draws a magical line called “Laxman Rekha” to protect Sita from the demons. The demons use other techniques to get Sita out, that is a different story but here Goddess Sita is equated to the Motherland. So the Indian soldier with his blood on the soil is drawing a Laxman Rekha to keep the invader Imperialist Communist“demons” away from the motherland. Notice he uses the word Raavan in the song, who was the arrogant demon kings drunk on his power and thought he could do anything he pleased and acted on Adharma or break Dharma. So the blood of Indian soldiers draw the Laxman rekha to protect glorious motherland from Communist Imperialist demons.

    Urdu: Tod do haath agar haath uthne lage, chuu na paaye na Sita kaa daaman koi
    Translation: Break the enemy’s hand if his hand raises [against you] and let no one dishonour Sita.
    During the first part of the verse at 4:51 minutes”Break the enemy’s hands” the video shows the PLA communist imperialist soldier at raise his hand to rape at the woman and then she fights back. Which signifies that when the Communist enemy raises his hand, Mother India fights back against the invaders. The next scene (5:02 minutes) shows the PLA Imperialist Communist officer dead during which he sings “let no one dishonour Sita”. That is this is what should and will happen who tries to dishonour great Goddess Sita just like the foolish but arrogant demon king Raavan who was inevitably annihilated by righteousness and good, by God. The dead Communist Imperialist PLA officer shows the fate eventually awaiting the foolish and arrogant Communist invaders, annihilation by the forces of good, by righteousness and dharma.

    Urdu: Raam bhi tum, tum hii Lakshman saathiiyon
    Translation: You are both Ram and Lakshman, fellow countrymen
    When this is sung, we see Indian soldiers march (5:07 minutes). Which signifies they are both Ram and Laxman who avenged the dishonour of Goddess Sita and killed demon king Raavan. Thus Indian soldiers are Ram and Laxman who will protect the motherland and annihilate evil Communist invaders like Ram and Laxman did the same for Goddess Sita. Remember Sita here is juxtaposed with Mother India.

    Urdu: Ab tumhaare hawaale watan saathiiyon
    Translation: Now we entrust the heavy burden of protecting the holy motherland to you, fellow countrymen.
    Again there is double meaning. the soldiers say we have died fighting the enemy Communist Imperialist barbarian hordes, now we leave it to you fellow countrymen to protect your glorious motherland. Similarly it also speaks to the future generation of Indians to take the burden of protecting their motherland from foreign imperialists. That is why the poor village boy salutes the Indian Army officer at the end where he is saying that the next generation of Indians will take the heavy burden of protecting the motherland from foreign invaders.

  137. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    Sorry, my mistake, that comment wasn’t meant for you.

  138. @Malla

    Have you read Maxwell’s “India’s China War”, in which he says that the Indian ‘Forward Policy’ of the 1950s and early 60s was militarily flawed, in that it provoked the Chinese who had a huge logistical advantage in the event of fighting?

    The Chinese side of the various disputed territories was close to decent roads on the Tibetan Plateau, logistic support was relatively easy. Indian soldiers had to struggle up the Himalayas.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henderson_Brooks%E2%80%93Bhagat_Report

    http://www.indiandefencereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TopSecretdocuments2.pdf

  139. Malla says:
    @Erebus

    This is a scene from 1975 during the fall of Saigon. The American troops had already withdrawn from South Vietnam more than two years before that happened. On 4 June 1973, maybe after all that CIA orchestrated “anti-war movements” the US Senate passed the Case–Church Amendment to prohibit any American intervention when the U.S President announced that the USA might get involved again if South Vietnam was falling. In August 1974, the US Congress voted to reduce assistance to South Vietnam from $1 billion a year to $700 million. The South Vietnamese were facing shortage of ammunition and spare parts. South Vietnam leader, Thieu requested aid from US President Gerald Ford, but the US Senate would not release extra money to provide aid to South Vietnam, and had already passed laws to prevent further involvement in Vietnam.
    Maybe the aims of the US Zio-deep state such as Operation Phoenix, drugging the Vietnamese people as experiment and pushing LSD on the people of the West as well as lefty hippy movements, completed, the Zio USA deep State did not want the Republci of Vietnam anymore and let them fall to the Commies.
    What I find interesting is that huge globalist Capitalist history channel programs as well as Western Capitalist media many a times portray this moment as Americans troops running fro their lives after losing Vietnam. This Western greedy Capitalist pig media many a times taking pro-Communist bent in things is very interesting.

    This is true about Cuba too. Cuba was much more complicated than what your Capitalist media shows you.

  140. Malla says:
    @nsa

    Here comes another crackpot. Just because he was Catholic he wuz a Quisling? He was a Vietnamese Nationalist. And Quisling should be a compliment, it means a nationalist who wants to free his country from Jew banker control. You have learnt allied propaganda well like a good kosher ass licking goyim slave of your Jew banker lords.

    [MORE]

    During his career as a mandarin, Diem was known for his workaholism and incorruptibility, and as a Catholic leader and nationalist. The French were impressed by his work ethic but were irritated by his frequent calls to grant more autonomy to Vietnam. In 1929, he was promoted to the governorship of Bình Thuận Province and was known for his work ethic. Diem was later involved in extensive nationalist activities, meeting and writing to various leading Vietnamese revolutionaries, such as his friend, Phan Boi Chau, a Vietnamese anti-French Empire activist, whom Diem respected for his knowledge of Confucianism and argued that Confucianism’s teachings should be applied to a modern Vietnam. With the start of the World War II in the Pacific, seeing an opportunity for Vietnam to challenge the French Empire, he attempted to persuade the Japanese forces to declare independence for Vietnam in 1942. Diem also tried to establish relationships with Japanese diplomats, army officers, and intelligence operatives who supported Vietnam’s independence. In 1943, Diem’s Japanese friends helped him to contact Prince Cuong De, an anti-colonial activist, who was in exile in Japan. After contacting Cuong De, Diem formed a secret political party, the Association for the Restoration of Great Vietnam, which was dominated by his Catholic allies in Hue.When its existence was discovered in the summer of 1944, the French Empire declared Diem to be a traitor and there were orders for his arrest due to which flew to Saigon under Japanese protection. In 1945, after the coup against the French Empire, the Japanese offered Diem the post of prime minister in the Empire of Vietnam under Vietnamese Emperor Bao Dai, which they organized on leaving the country. In September 1945, after the Japanese withdrawal, Ho Chí Minh proclaimed Communist Vietnam based in the Northern half of Vietnam. Diem attempted to travel to Hue to dissuade Emperor Bao Dai from joining Ho, but was arrested by the Viet Minh along the way and exiled to a highland village near the border. Six months later, he was taken to meet Ho, who recognized Diem’s virtues and, wanting to extend the support for his new government,asked Diem to be minister of the interior. Diem refused to join the Viet Minh.

    • Replies: @Arthur MacBride
  141. Malla says:
    @nsa

    During the Indochina War, Diem and other non-communist nationalists had to face a dilemma: they did not want Vietnam to rejoin the French Empire and did not want to Vietnam to be taken over by the Communists either. Diem proclaimed his neutrality and attempted to establish a Third Force movement that was both anti-colonialist and anti-communist. In 1947, he became the founder and chief of the National Union Bloc and united non-communist Vietnamese nationalists. At the same time, he lobbied France for a true independence for Vietnam, Diem was disappointed when in June 1948, Emperor Bao Dai signed an agreement to grant Vietnam status as an associated state within the French Union. In the meantime, the French had created the State of Vietnam and Diem refused Bao Dai’s offer to become the Prime Minister. On 16 June 1949, he then published a new manifesto in newspapers proclaiming a third force different from Vietminh and Emperor Bao Dai, his statement provided evidence to both the French Empire and Communists that Diem was a dangerous rival. In 1950, the Communists sentenced him to death in absentia, and the French refused to protect him. Ho Chí Minh’s cadres tried to assassinate him while he was traveling to the Mekong Delta.
    According to Edward Miller (Misalliance: Ngo Dinh Diem, the United States, and the Fate of South Vietnam), Diem was influenced by Catholic nationalism, which he had inherited from his family’s tradition, especially from Bishop Ngo Dinh Thuc, his brother, and Nguyen Huu Bai, who advised him to “return the seal” in 1933 to oppose French Imperial policies. As well as his understanding of Confucianism, especially through his friendship with Phan Boi Chau who argued that Confucianism’s teachings should be applied to a modern Vietnam.

    In 1955, Prime Minister Ngo Dinh Diem held a referendum to decide whether the State of Vietnam would remain a monarchy or become a republic. This referendum was blatantly rigged by Prime Minister Ngo Dinh Diem in favour of a republic. Not only did an implausible 98% vote in favor of deposing Emperor Bao Dai, but over 380,000 more votes were cast than the total number of registered voters. In relations with France, as an anti-colonialism nationalist, France was always a negative factor in Diem’s foreign policy. Even when suggested by many in his government, he refused to looked up on France as a counterweight to American influence. Concerning relations with the USA, although Diem admitted the importance of the US-RVN alliance, for protection against North Vietnamese agrresion, he perceived that the US’s assistance to the RVN was primarily serving its own national interest, rather than the RVN’s national interest. Keith Taylor (Voices from the second Republic of Vietnam) adds that Diem’s’s distrust of the USA grew because of America’s Laotian policy, which gave North Vietnam access to South Vietnam’s border through southern Laos!!! So again we see the USA helping North Vietnam against the South. In early 1963, the Ngô brothers even revised their alliance with the US. Diem and his government had major disagreements with the USA on how to best react to the threat from Communist North Vietnam. South Vietnam established diplomatic relations with Japan after recognition of war reparations, a reparation agreement in between Vietnam and Japan was signed in 1959 with the amount of $49 million paid in full. Diems attitude toward India was very negative because he percieved India’s non-alignment policy to be pro-communism. But in 1962, after the Indo-China war, the Indian population started criticizing Nehru’s pro-China/ Communist friendly foreign policies. The negative experiences with the People’s Republic of China in the war and the dismissal of Indian Communist foreign minister Mennon, led to a shocked India start taking a more hardline anti-Communist line for the first time. India voted for a report criticizing the communists for supporting the invasion of South Vietnam, and thus Diem’s attitude towards India improved.

    This does not sound like a lackey to me.

    • Agree: Arthur MacBride
    • Replies: @Schuetze
  142. Malla says:
    @Schuetze

    Just another one of those CIA moments of plausibly deniable masonic idiocy. Like the time they had Major Jordan ship all of the plans, machinery and even refined Uranium for making the atomic bomb off to Stalin, even when it was clear that Germany was already on the verge of collapse.

    I have read Major Jordan’s diaries. Thanks, very eye opening. The US Govt was full of Commies. Remember how those Soviet captains would threaten Major Jordan that they had high connections in the US Government. In which sane universe does a Capitalist, Christian, democratic country give land lease help to a Communist country? How is that even possible? It is all bullshit. And before that the large amount of food sent to the USSR from the British Commonwealth. Churchill went to war with Germany (who had nothing against Britain and its Empire) but justified Soviet take over of Eastern Poland for “security”. And we are supposed to believe this bullshit history. How can people be so dumb?

    when they handed North Korea over to Stalin even when he hadn’t helped with the defeat of Japan, and then they forgot to take all the Japanese weapons

    The Rockefellers wanted it, Communism in East Asia. They had long term plans for China.
    But do you think with Xi, the Chinese went rogue, maybe they fooled the bankers, got all the development and then screwed the bankers over. Or is this China-USA thing still a fake? Just 10 years back, everybody was praising China then suddenly later, China became evul??? How did that happen?

    Thanks for the links.

    • Replies: @Schuetze
  143. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    I can’t believe what I am reading. Are you serious, are you being really serious? because what you wrote in your post sounds like out of this world and I bet that anyone reading this in Latin America, Asia, Africa, The Middle East or Europe would be scratching their head trying to imagine someone writing those words with a straight face:

    “All those acts of fraud together account for half a million ballots at most”(which means they weren’t enough to change the result of the election)

    So what you mean here is, say, if a gang of robbers enter a bank and steals one million dollars, the crime can be ignored by police and the Justice system because see, the bank has a capital of billions so one million less in its coffers is not gonna bankrupt it…! The robbers can keep the million; they worked for it after all…! If so, then why do you have an electoral system and an electoral laws in your country if anyone can shit on them just because they don’t like them….or just because this candidate here may pressure voters and that’s no right…? And why do you lie us, the world, with the idea that you are a country within the rule of law, one with a working constitutional system, even going to the extreme of bombing and invading other nations to “teach them about our democracy”, when the system you have yourselves at home is nothing but a pathetic travesty..?

    Can anyone really believe that any political party is gonna get away with that bullshit in ANY other country in the civilized world…? “Yes, there was electoral fraud but see, the fraud wasn’t big enough to change the final result, so the final result stands…!” I am astonished and I keep carping on this because as I said, in any other country, the mere suspicion that there had been electoral fraud would have been enough to bring a good chunk of the population out in the streets with forks and torches, cities would have been burning…unless of course the government had immediately declared the election void and ordered a criminal investigation with the promise of bringing the risponsable part to Justice, no matter who they are and which position they may be occupying in society. BTW, have you ever heard of say, a College teacher, an examiner in a test for an open position for a job, say: “Well, I caught the guy cheating in his test. But, see, his good answers, apart from those he got by cheating, were enough to make him pass so I passed him”. Have you ever heard such a thing…?

    Something like what happened in the U.S. in nov. 2020 would have never happened in ANY other country in the civilized world. In Canada, where I have lived for decades, I have never known of anything of the kind, I have never heard of even the faintest protest/denunciation by any political party or by any public figure about the most insignificant irregularity during the many elections that i have had the chance to witness. And I am sure that at the smallest public denunciation by any party that something irregular has been happening in voting sites around the country, Ottawa would have immediately ordered the suspension and most likely the invalidation of the entire election and ordered the RCMP to conduct a full, no holds barred criminal investigation. And the same thing I am sure would have happened in every civilized countriy. But not in “America”. In “America” it was considered (by the fraudsters themselves) that the fraud hasn’t been massive enough to change the final result so the final result stood. And these are people who keep blasting our balls lecturing us about democracy and the rule of the law…!

  144. Alfred says:
    @usNthem

    The difference is the Brits and Ruskis figured out that it was a losing proposition fairly quick and cut their losses – not uncle scam.

    It seems that you are unaware that the British have never left. In fact, they are staying according to Boris Johnson.

    Johnson’s Latest Folly: UK SAS Troops To Stay in Afghanistan as US Troops Pull Out and Afghan Troops Flee.

    Johnson’s Latest Folly: UK SAS Troops To Stay in Afghanistan as US Troops Pull Out and Afghan Troops Flee

  145. Schuetze says:
    @Malla

    “do you think with Xi, the Chinese went rogue, maybe they fooled the bankers, got all the development and then screwed the bankers over.”

    The entire Covid scam could be evidence of some kind of continuing secret alliance between Israel and Communist China. Apparently many, or even most, of the PCR tests were sent to China for evaluation and all this DNA has been havested. Additionally, China appears to be harvesting DNA from prenatal tests:

    “A Chinese gene company selling prenatal tests around the world developed them in collaboration with the country’s military and is using them to collect genetic data from millions of women for sweeping research on the traits of populations, a Reuters review of scientific papers and company statements found.”

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-china-bgi-dna-idUSKCN2ED1A6

    This company, BRI, has labs in Israel and is opening a new one in Delaware, Joe Biden’s fiefdom.

    “U.S. government advisors warned in March that a vast bank of genomic data that the company, BGI Group, is amassing and analysing with artificial intelligence could give China a path to economic and military advantage. As science pinpoints new links between genes and human traits, access to the biggest, most diverse set of human genomes is a strategic edge. The technology could propel China to dominate global pharmaceuticals, and also potentially lead to genetically enhanced soldiers, or engineered pathogens to target the U.S. population or food supply, the advisors said.”

    Israel has long been harvesting DNA information through 23andme and other hereditary/genetic type services. Together, China and Israel would be a genetic powerhouse. Israel is also deeply involved in BRI, where Israel is supposed to provide IT security.

    China and Israel also share another common interest: revenge against white European Christian nations. Israel because of Christ, and China because of the Opium. It is also important to note that this entire “Delta” variant “wave” that hit India is still as suspicious as the one that hit Iran. China has recently nearly gone to war with India, perhaps that is why India got whacked with a new “Covid Variant”.

    • Replies: @Triteleia Laxa
  146. Smith says:

    Go go Taliban, you make every viets proud!

  147. Schuetze says:
    @Malla

    I have enjoyed reading your expose on Vietnam, Malla. I have a couple of questions.

    1. Ho Chi Min lived in Boston and was at Versailles. IIRC, he may have been a freemason, perhaps with the Grand Orient Lodge. Do you know anything about this? It seems to me that some cook doesn’t just end up at Versailles were all the Rothschild owned Jewish lawyers were busy carving up the entire planet.

    2. What do you think of the Japanese “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere“. Wiki says it was “an imperialist concept which was developed in the Empire of Japan and propagated to Asian populations which were occupied by it “. The wiki article never mentions Communism, of which Japan was in a life or death struggle with. Can you elaborate on this?

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    , @Malla
  148. gatobart says:

    And I am not commenting anymore about the krap, babble and blather vomited by Professor Gutter Mouth Malla because in the first place I am not even reading it anymore. In any case i don’t care about the BS he has still to add to the already dumped on this thread, as all I already know what I needed to know: that for his Highness, the Dirty Mouth From Calcutta, the fact that 8 out of 10 Vietnamese wanted Ho Chi Minh as their leader, is insignificante, something to be totally ignored, as the only one deemed by His Highness to be the leader the country was his favorite anti Communist, Ngo Dihn Diem, no matter if his constituency was just the minuscule Catholic minority.

    • Replies: @Smith
  149. Smith says:
    @gatobart

    What’s funny is that Ngo Dinh Diem was pro-Ho Chi Minh or at least held him in high respect.

    He even made a propaganda that the north viets (Viet Minh) captured HCM and held him against his will and the south viets must fight to save him.
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-4d183f9b4480ae44241d6dce5a04f671

    That’s probably why he was couped, the fact he’s a christian catholic imposing Church rule in a Buddhist country aside.

    Nowadays, educated or uneducated, viets have a deep respect for Ho Chi Minh regardless. Most of the bad side of the wars were blamed on the american and chinese machinations.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  150. @Malla

    An early interview of Gloria Steinem detailing her time as an operative in the CIA. She admits that the CIA is actually “liberal” and “progressive”. LOL.

    This was probably true for the part of the CIA that she was allowed to see – the part that dealt with soft power and cultural influence. It did not necessarily apply to the whole organization.

  151. @anon

    We should note that Washington seems to consistently support ‘junkyard dogs’ of the most backward types in its nation building efforts – We see this in Ukraine, Kosovo, Croatia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Lybia, Georgia, various African states, and numerous other examples.

    Its enough of a pattern that begs the questions – Why would Washington consistently support divisive and destabilizing forces ? Is it the deliberate Grand Strategy of Washington to destabilize and therefore weaken these regions ?

    The USA feared Soviet influence, and it also feared the secular socialist/nationalist movements in many countries (Egypt, Iran, Indonesia, …) which were sometimes anti-Western and might have turned to Moscow for help. The opponents of these movements were often the “junkyard dogs”. Any talk of “nation building” was window dressing. The real goal was to contain Soviet influence, and if destabilization was a side-effect, nobody cared. It was a stupidly one-dimensional policy, and 30 years after the demise of the Soviet Union we are still dealing with the blowback – Islamic extremists who were supported by the US to fight the Soviets, but then turned against us.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  152. gatobart says:
    @Smith

    Right. And that was most likely the reason why he was deposed and assassinated by his own military. It seems that he had finally decided to act as a Vietnamese patriot rather than as an U.S. puppet so he was about to tell, or had already told, Washington to withdraw their military from Vietnam and at the same time he had expressed interest in engaging in talks with Ho Chi Minh for the re-unification of the country. That was of course unacceptable not only for the U.S. empire, even with the “idealistic democrat John “I want out of Vietnam” Kennedy” in the White House, but even more for the parasitical military elite in South Vietnam which had everything to lose with an “American” retreat, first of all their firm hold on the black market of US civil and military aid (Witnesses at the time tell stories of the streets of Saigon lined up with merchants peddling Made in US goods of all kinds, pilfered from the planeloads of aid coming from the U.S.) not to mention the loss of the lucrative heroin trade.

    In any case, the fact that he was murdered by the two villains in this story, the US government and the rotten-to-the-core South Vietnamese military is enough to make of him at least a half heroic figure.

    • Replies: @Smith
  153. Rahmon also promised humanitarian and financial support to the Kabul government.

    That’s funny. If endless piles of fiat and military gear straight from the Washington swamp can’t save the Kabul kleptocracy, how can chump change from puny Tajikistan do it?

    Ass-raping raping boys is the Afghan national sport. However, the Taliban cracked down on that compared to the current regime, so every decent person ought to be for the Taliban and against the swamp’s friends.

  154. Alfred says:
    @alwayswrite

    Putin did jack shit,he replaced one set of criminals with another from his gang / clan

    Liar.

    Life expectancy plummeted when Russia was in the hands of the Jewish oligarchs and the “Chicago Boys”. It went down to 55 years for men. It is now 73 years thank to the Putin administration.

    Historically, life expectancy since WW2 has been higher in Ukraine. Now it is less than Russia – despite having a far milder climate.

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  155. gatobart says:
    @James N. Kennett

    “The real goal was to contain Soviet influence, and if destabilization was a side-effect, nobody cared.

    Then how do you fit these events in that big picture:

    The night of Sept. 11, 1970, the Left wing coalition of parties formed by the Communist and Socialist parties plus a couple of minor ones were celebrating in Chile the electoral victory that had made of the Socialist Salvador Allende, freemason and member of the Socialist International BTW, the next president. At the same time in Washington Nixon and his SOS Kissinger were having a meeting and as the result of it they charged the CIA with the task of analysing the new situation created in the South Cone of the Americas, its possible local and international consequences, and to come with its conclusions ASAP. CIA analysts did their homework and shortly after they came back with their answer: the electoral victory of Allende was of no consequence whatsoever. It seems that the CIA didn’t even consider the possibility that the USSR could win anything with Allende’s victory.

    Despite these CIA assurances, Mrs. Nixon and Kissinger decided anyway to charge the CIA with the task of going to Chile and start trying to move things within the future opposition, the Christian Democrats (Center, then in power) and the Right (National party) to explore all the possible legal ways to prevent Allende from taking office, including that of making Congress deny their approval of the newly elected president. The reason given by the two: “We can’t allow Chile going Communist because of the irresponsibility of its people”. How would you define that behavior if not something born of pure unmitigated hubris…? (Fittingly enough, less than a year after Allende was gone in a fiery ending many consider glorious and heroic, in sept 1973, Nixon had to go also, but covered in shame and humiliation. Talk about karma).

  156. Smith says:
    @gatobart

    After Vietnam, anyone trusting the US is a complete retard.

    But that’s how they dominate the world, by telling the world that they are the “freedom fighters”.

    China has its issues (996, billionaire party members, historical revisionism) but it’s the lesser evil in this case compared to the complete clownshoe that is the US.

  157. @Malla

    Thank’s for the information and for the pointers. I looked at the Bilderberg group activities. Quite surprising to see the editors of the large media groups sitting at the same meeting!

    https://www.syti.net/Organisations/Bilderberg.html

    • Agree: Malla
  158. @Malla

    And Quisling should be a compliment, it means a nationalist who wants to free his country from Jew banker control.

    Thank you for information on VN here and elsewhere, Malla.

    Hardly anywhere is it possible to find an even-handed assessment of Vidkun Quisling, rather his very name is used to mean the worst kind of traitor.
    But is this true and accurate, or yet more hollywood history like Schindler’s List (a work of fiction presented as fact) or Private Ryan or Band of Brothers etc etc …

    As a counterbalance, here for anybody interested is an actually positive (gasp) view by the English writer Michael Walsh —

    “You will be my historical witness. The day will come when I will need it,” said the Norwegian Prime Minister Vidkun Quisling to his secretary, Franklin Knudsen. The national leader’s words were spoken with great solemnity as the two men sat in a room of Oslo’s Grand Hotel on the 18* April 1940. Nine days earlier their country had fallen to the forces of the Third Reich, victims of a conspiracy masterminded by England’s unelected leader Winston Churchill.

    https://dailystormer.su/the-slaying-of-a-viking-the-epic-of-vidkun-quisling/

    • Thanks: Malla
  159. @Alfred

    Alfred,WTF are you talking about!

    Yup just go and blame it all on hose dastardly ” Chicago Boys” thats the easy answer ain’t it instead of actually looking at the totally dilapidated and criminally riddled failure of the Soviet Union

    They stole from each other simple as that,more blatant pro Putler mythology doesn’t get around the facts

    My old Marxists friends had become pretty disgusted by the Soviet Union by the early 70s as they said it was a bent state capitalist country that was suppressing its workers who in turn drank themselves to death because life was so depressing,well obviously Putler knew all about that but he’s actually doing all the right things now to replicate those sad and depressing times again,and thats why his horrible nasty fascist regime is gonna fail only people like you Alfred can’t see it,the trouble Putler will press the button this time and destroy us all rather than see his precious Russia go tits up again

    So when you’re sat in a smouldering ruin you’ll have your hero Mad Vlad to thank for it

  160. hillaire says:
    @Mustapha Mond

    Elon muskrat, fake super-hero and DARPA net front-nerd (his fortune is as real as epshteens) … should be dangled over the grand canyon by his hair plugs.. thus allowing gravity to fulfill its solemn duty to all of mankind..

    incidentally his ‘rug’ or ‘system’ or ‘plugs’ are the only technological accomplishment ‘attached’ to this sad grotesque caricature of a ‘man’ (sic).. and should of course be displayed in the smithsonian next to the little leather handbags for homosexuals constructed from the remnants of dorsey, zuckerborg and gatz and the evil google twins…

  161. @AKAHorace

    From what i read they learned their lessons. They now include Tajiks in leadership. They are becoming quite sophisticated. They correctly stated Al Queda was there because of the US training them against the Soviets and they give no haven for them anymore (as long as the US vacates). They had antagonism with Iran and other Shia – but they were just in Iran for official peace talks with the Kabul gov. They have also publicly declared they would welcome Chinese investment and would no longer allow Uighur militants to hide out to return to China to attack and wojld deny especially the ETIM separatists a base of operations. The Taliban indeed has learned a lot about diplomacy with its neighbors. Their main issue is getting NATO out – which Iran – China – Russia are all supportive of.

    • Thanks: RichardDuck
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  162. @Carlton Meyer

    Drug barons throughout the Caribbean – Central and South America were supported by US intel because they were anti communist. Not surprising. The same is true in South East Asia.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  163. gatobart says:
    @Showmethereal

    Pablo Escobar’s Son Reveals His Dad “Worked for the CIA Selling Cocaine” — Media Silent

    Juan Pablo Escobar Henao, son of notorious Medellín cartel drug kingpin, Pablo Escobar, now says his father “worked for the CIA. In a new book, “Pablo Escobar In Fraganti,” Escobar, who lives under the pseudonym, Juan Sebastián Marroquín, explains his “father worked for the CIA selling cocaine to finance the fight against Communism in Central America.”

    “The drug business is very different than what we dreamed,” he continues. “What the CIA was doing was buying the controls to get the drug into their country and getting a wonderful deal….He did not make the money alone,” Marroquín elaborated in an interview, “but with US agencies that allowed him access to this money. He had direct relations with the CIA.” Notably, Marroquín added, “the person who sold the most drugs to the CIA was Pablo Escobar.”

    Where his first book primarily covered Escobar, the man as a father, Marroquín’s second — which has just been released in Argentina — delves into the kingpin’s “international ties of corruption in which my father had an active participation, among them with the American CIA,” he said in a recent interview.Those government associates “were practically his partners,” which allowed Escobar to defy the law, and gave him nearly the same power as a government.

    Predictably, this information is conveniently absent from media headlines in America.
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/pablo-escobars-son-reveals-his-dad-worked-for-the-cia-selling-cocaine-media-silent/5576222

    Notice something. The Book was published in Argentina. That is why people abroad are far more aware than brainwashed Amerricans. They get the real deal when it comes to news and facts.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  164. @Malla

    Bihar! You see all these women carrying rocks.

  165. @EliteCommInc.

    They came, they bombed, they lost. USers!

  166. Laughing.

    What other nonsense can be thrown into the mix to escape the obvious —

    logical fallacy of a false comparison.

    Let’s see the dance of internal Vietnam=ese politics before, during and after the conflict in Vietnam.

    The conduct of the CIA

    Personal attacks and the usual hyperbolics about skin color.

    Russian competence of the lack thereof . . . .

    COVID and Ho Chi Mihn was a closeted something or other

    And yet not a single link that makes the two a legitimate comparison or that impacts the advance, that the embassy photos are not indicative of a US loss in Vietnam as every embassy departed the country including some who rescued Vietnamese civilians.

    As for the nonsense about the failure of the mainstream media to report on the CIA and cocaine distribution in the US

    https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/archive/special/9712/ch01p1.htm

    How about that wrong again, apparently major media outlets in the US did report on that issue and did as far as 1996 or before.

    Good grief. Laugh

  167. @Showmethereal

    They have spent a lot of time hosted in places like Qatar. Hopefully this means that they will be a very different Taliban than they were before.

    I don’t think that they will overrun the whole country as quickly as this hysterical moment supposes either. It is easy to make sudden expansions in Afghanistan, but equally easy to contract.

    The government has real constituencies and will need to be negotiated with in a genuine manner. Those constituencies will be spinning up their militias as we speak, and there will be a counter-surge. I doubt the Taliban will end up in sole government. This should moderate them further.

    As with all “bold” predictions, I await being completely wrong. I hope I am right, but I hope more that Afghanistan finds a resolution.

  168. @Schuetze

    The entire Covid scam could be evidence of some kind of continuing secret alliance between Israel and Communist China. Apparently many, or even most, of the PCR tests were sent to China for evaluation and all this DNA has been havested. Additionally, China appears to be harvesting DNA from prenatal tests:

    China, Putin, Israel, the Fed, the EU, NATO, the Jews! This is a huge conspiracy!

    How will you triumph against these epic forces?

    I would help, but I am struggling to work out every day, like I want to, and I am not sure that I am ready for the extra burden.

    If I can get the energy for at least one extra yoga session a week, I will come back and consider lending my efforts to help you defeat such forces.

  169. BN says:
    @Priss Factor

    “Without US meddling, the whole country almost certainly would have been united under the Viet Minh.”

    You’re so off on this. Many Vietnamese who came over here after/during the war revere Diem because they know the truth, not the propaganda that’s been passed down the years. He is still revered in Vietnam today. He had the support of the people. Surely you’ve heard about the mass exodus of non-commie Viets in 1954 to the south? Yea, these people (my grandparents among them) weren’t about to be united under the flag of communism. Yes, he was supported by the US, but he resisted US efforts to essentially take over (like in Afghanistan). But the US doesn’t usually like being a junior partner in its imperialism, so Diem had to go.

    • Replies: @gatobart
    , @Priss Factor
  170. BN says:
    @gatobart

    have you spoken to Vietnamese people who lived there when the commies took over? LOL @ you taking the opinion of a US President who represents the imperial ambitions of a country and using it as some kind of unassailable fact. Completely consuming American propaganda, which makes you like most other Americans unfortunately.

    • Replies: @Smith
    , @gatobart
  171. Smith says:
    @BN

    Have you?

    Go to Viet Nam and ask some random people on how they think about Ho Chi Minh.

  172. gatobart says:
    @BN

    Excuse me, are you an idiot from birth or you had to go to some university and make a lot of effort to get to where you are nowadays..? In what quoting president Eisenhower when he wrote that according to all his sources if free elections had taken place in the whole of Vietnam in the 50s the Communist leader, I repeat, the Communist leader Ho Chi Minh would have gathered 80% of the popular vote, in what that constitutes “consuming American propaganda…?”. Once again, are you an unmitigated idiot from birth or you got to work a lot to get where you are now..? I guess taking seriously also his farewell speech, where he warned his country of the disproportionate political power and influence that the weapons industry, the intelligence and military elites, the MIC, had achieved by the 1950s, constitutes also, wait for it, “consuming American propaganda….!”

    And you have to be more than an idiot, in fact, if you are assuming that I am an “American”. After reading a few posts of mine even a retarded baboon would have realised I am not.

  173. gatobart says:
    @BN

    He had the support of the people.

    Still more bullsheet.

    The reason why Ngo Dinh Diem got in trouble with his fellow Vietnamese and started losing any popular support he could have had until then wasn’t much because of political issues but simply because he started waging a religious war against the Buddhist majority in South Vietnam, mainly against the Buddhist monks. Imagine for example Benito Mussolini occupying by force the Vatican, incarcerating the Pope and his Cardinals and starting sending priests to concentrations camps because they would have criticized him for his dictatorial ways. Truth is, I don’t know the real extent of this anti-Buddhist repression, little of it percolated to the outside world, but what made the world take notice and constituted the straw that broke the camel’s back was the dramatic act of protest by a Bonzo monk, Thích Quảng Đức, in one street intersection in Saigon in June, 11, 1963. One gesture that infortunately become iconic as it greatly shocked the world (I still remember to this day when I saw the picture in the news) and that has been imitated in many occasions in many countries, including in South America during the right wing dictatorships of the 1970s. He self immolated by setting himself in fire. He poured gas on his body, in the lotus position, and light it up. Since then, when someone do such a thing, as a desperate and ultimate act of protest (like for example that of the father of a young political activist who has been taken by a secret police and made disappear) it is called a bonzo-like protest or something like that. If one thing is certain about Vietnam and that war, that is that world public opinion was shocked and from that moment world public opinion set its unforgiving eyes on Diem and from then on things could only go from bad to worse for him, that is what sent him spiralling down on his way to his demise.

    • Replies: @Priss Factor
  174. @gatobart

    Those people you’re talking about came out by the millions to attend trump’s rallies to help him get elected. They were attacked, deplatformed & lost their livelyhoods to do so. Trump got in to office & didn’t live up to expectations on immigration & ending the forever wars to put it mildly. They weren’t dumb enough to come out & get assaulted or worse for a second time, it would have been different had Trump actually came through on his promises.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  175. @BN

    Many Vietnamese who came over here after/during the war revere Diem

    That’s all very understandable. He was certainly not an evil man, even a patriot in his own right.

    Surely you’ve heard about the mass exodus of non-commie Viets in 1954 to the south?

    Very understandable as communism is repressive and brutal. I fully understand why people don’t want to live under communism.

    Personally, I prefer the fascist model of development. Ataturk is really the gold standard. To a lesser extent, Lee of Singapore, Park of South Korea, and etc.

    But it’s understandable why so many idealistic nationalists turned to communism. Fascism came to be associated with Western Chauvinism. It was a competitor with capitalist-imperialism, not its enemy. Same with Japan. Its quasi-fascist regime became a competitor of imperialism. In contrast, communism posited itself as a enemy of imperialism and friend of all the people struggling to throw off the foreign yoke. Of course, Soviet Union itself was an empire and a brutal one at that.
    But for people like Ho and many others, communism seemed the only hope.

    History has shown that capitalism works better than communism, but capitalism takes time to grow. In contrast, communism is an instant formula for organization, unity, and action. (Fascism requires more complexity than communism as it requires an ‘intersectional’ balancing of various forces of society, from left to right. People like Ho and others simply didn’t have the luxury that Mussolini and Hitler enjoyed. Duce and Fuhrer could win over the support of the industrialists, military, and the middle class. In contrast, Ho had to deal with a backward nation yet to be liberated from imperialists, and communism seemed the surest bet for organization and action.)

    So, I’m not saying communism is some ideal social or economic system. But in the context of the time, the Viet Minh were the most effective force for driving out the imperialists. And without US meddling, they would have unified and liberated Vietnam(though it was subjugated it under Marxist-Leninist repression).

    But in retro, communism had some benefits as well. By forcing political systems wholly independent of US hegemony, former commie nations now tend to be independent in spirit that those created under US domination. In this way, Vietnam has a better future than South Korea and Taiwan(and Japan) in the long run.

    What the Viets really need to do is to improve their language that has too much nyuk nyuks, nwei nweis, and toi-toi’s.

    • Replies: @Smith
  176. @gatobart

    Wasn’t Diem a toot?

    Since then, when someone do such a thing, as a desperate and ultimate act of protest (like for example that of the father of a young political activist who has been taken by a secret police and made disappear) it is called a bonzo-like protest or something like that.

    I dunno. “Bonzo-like protest” sounds like acting like a chimp. Remember Reagan’s simian buddy?
    Eastwood’s orangutan was better though. Eastwood didn’t become president but orange man did, and that’s close enough.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  177. Smith says:
    @Priss Factor

    Nyuk nyuk and nwei nwei aren’t even pronounceable in vietnamese. Tôi means a formal I in viet.

    Dude, wtf are you talking about?

    Out of the big 4 in Asia (China, Japan, Vietnam, Korea), Vietnam has the best labor law and the chillest work environment. I was freaked out when I discover the westerners and other asians don’t take a noon nap and just work straight off thorough the day.

  178. gatobart says:
    @Jack Venom

    Let me tell you something. I know you won’t see this story I wanna tell you as any of your concern and perhaps you will be bored and stop reading but it you follow me to the conclusion you will see that is 100% applicable to you and to all “Americans”.

    I have already talked about Salvador Allende, who was elected in sept. 1970 as president of Chile and then overthrown in a coup in 1973 that most have wrongly attributed to the CIA. Now, at least since 2016 I have considered Trump the U.S. equivalent of Allende, even if both men were, or are, situated on the opposite sides of the political spectrum (even if Allende was a theoretical Marxist but in practice more of a Social Democrat). Both men came to the highest office in the land with the national elites dead set against them and decided to expel them from their posts as soon as possible. They were both outsiders and the powers that be didn’t waste a moment showing them they wouldn’t give them a respite until they could get rid of them. In both cases the elites succeeded and in the end the only difference between them is that Trump didn’t make an armed last stand in a White House surrounded by the US military. Both men had their many faults, to which I’ll refer now. Trump was (and still is) a boisterous bozo, an arrogant douche, etc, but still, he was THE President of the U.S. Allende on the other hand, had good intentions but his personal limitations were too many, to the point that his enemies weren’t far off when calling him a fatuous incompetent fool (in fact when the military ordered him to resign in the morning of sept. 11, 1973, they didn’t even mention the word Communist, they specifically said they were ousting him for his abyssal incompetence as president, so they toppled him basically for being incapable of govern and for letting Chile fall into generalized chaos). But still he was THE President of Chile. And that is the point what really matters, be that in Chile, the U.S. and every country with a functioning Constitutional system, specially a presidential one. No matter the faults of your President, you respect his office even if you don’t respect him as a person. Not only that, you demand that his office be respected by everyone else and even if the citizenry by majority wants him gone, that has to be done through the channels already established in the Constitution. Otherwise what happens is what happened in Chile and to what I refer now:

    When things were going badly, chaos and mayhem reigning everywhere during the last half year of Allende’s presidency, the Right and the Center Right were adamantly working, 24/7, to erode his authority and power over Chilean society and even blackmailing him that he had to go or else the military would have to act while some extremists were even calling the military to do just that. For the very few who were watching the process with their open eyes, of which I was one despite being still very young, this was a very dangerous situation, one that could develop into the worst possible scenarios, and the thing that astonished me the most about my fellow Chileans, even those heavily involved in politics, is that many if not most didn’t seem to realise the gravity of the situation and they were going on with their lives as if nothing bad could happen. As for the regular people, it was even worse, a majority of the population wanted Allende out (56%) and so they had voted in the March 1973 election, and for them there was just a question of him resigning and leaving his post so someone could call for new elections and then everything would be Ok. Nobody wanted a coup, at least among the general population but, as I said, the incredible thing for me is that NOBODY, or very few Chileans, seemed to realize that what it was at stake was not just the Allende presidency, but the entire Constitutional system, the whole future of the country. Nobody seemed to realise we were on the brink of losing both, of losing it all. People just didn’t see it that way and even after the coup they didn’t see it, as they kept calm and indifferent face to the unfolding events, waiting for the military (and the Right, now ostensibly in power) to re-establish national order ASAP and then call for general elections in less than a year, so everything would be hokey doky. Big mistake.

    What really happened: The military not only weren’t gone after six months but they stayed for 17 years and during their stay their leader, Gen. Pinochet, reigned over a regime of terror as never seen in Chile with the use and abuse of his DINA, the Chilean Gestapo, most likely a CIA gift. Instead of “a return to democracy and Constitutional order” what Chile got was absolute authoritarianism, Nazi-like concentration camps, the complete loss of their civil liberties, in the first place the freedom of expression; torture chambers, horror stories of massacres and disappearances of social and political activists. As for the regular stiff, the Labor Code was abandoned and a new one was written that brought Chilean workers back to the XIX Century, one that allowed their boundless exploitation, the first thing lost was of course the 8-hour workday (and I don’t even know if by this day, in 2021, that Pinochet Labor Code is still there).

    THAT is what I consider extremely relevant for you and all those “Americans” who don’t think that Trump is worth the fight. Of course he is not, but the fight in front of you, which you may have already lost, is not for Trump, is for the very existence of your country, and that is what make Chileans of 1973 and “Americans” of 2021 so similar. They are both with a terrible battle in front of them and they still haven’t realised how much they are gonna lose of what they have if they are defeated. They may have already lost it, and they haven’t still realised it.

    Now, to give a measure of the price Chileans paid for their calm indifference when the foundations of their institutional order were being eroded by the elite to get down the man in the presidential palace: it has taken them almost half a century to get rid of the Constitution written by the Pinochet regime, BTW written by the hand of an extremist right wing lunatic who was the one to advise him that he, Pinochet, had to rule by sheer terror to be successful as a leader. Imagine what kind of Constitution that could be. Almost 50 years took them to get rid of that monstrosity. Since 1973 Chileans have lived in a thinly concealed dictatorship, the make up for which being the frequent elections & public consultations of all kinds that don’t bring any real change. Almost two generations have grown up under a system that is not a democracy but an authoritarian regime disguised as a democracy. And all that because Chileans, even those who “just” wanted Allende out didn’t get in their thick heads that the fight they had in front of them in 1973 wasn’t just about what to do with the man in the presidential palace but one to preserve their democracy and their civil liberties. They just didn’t get it and most may have realised when it was already too late. And that is the mistake “Americans” like you are committing now when they say that “Trump is not worth the trouble”. Yours is not a fight for Trump, but a fight for the existence of your Constitutional order and Trump as president was the symbol of it. If he had to go, well, but he had to go legally, not with a coup in the form of an electoral fraud. Now the future of your whole country is what is at stake.

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  179. gatobart says:
    @Priss Factor

    I dunno. “Bonzo-like protest” sounds like acting like a chimp. Remember Reagan’s simian buddy?

    You are an idiot. Please don’t read any of my posts in the future.

  180. Malla says:
    @YetAnotherAnon

    Thanks YetAnotherAnon, I know the book and I have read it. It is possible India caused the problem by its forward policy. However I recently had a debate on Unz with fellow Indian named ‘ivan’ who says and maybe correctly that Maxwell, like your typical Western journalist was pro Communist China. However I have also read a CIA report on the war which also puts the blame on India too.
    I am talking about perception of Indians on the ground. national emotion perspectives and historic facts may not always match, indeed they mostly never match LOL.
    The problem even today is that the Indo-China border is not demarcated thus what we really have is a LAC, line of actual control and thus the border becomes fuzzy with time and there are frequent mini clashes at the border. Both the sides had decided to bar modern weapons in inter- national solider interactions. That is why the recent Galwan incident involved clubs and sticks, caveman style.

  181. Malla says:
    @Schuetze

    he may have been a freemason, perhaps with the Grand Orient Lodge. Do you know anything about this

    I do not know anything about this, but this is not impossible. I remember seeing a video by Brendan O’Connell, you know the Australian dude trying to expose Operation Talpiot of Israel as well as freemasonry in the Australian police force, well he made a video about Iran. he was in iran and according to him Iran is not what they seem, that the Iranian elites are well entrenched with European Zio banking corporations. And that the Islamic “revolution” was fake. He was mentioning how many successful “revolutionaries” had all been in Paris. Ayatollah Khomeini, Ho Chi Minh etc… Who knows?

    The wiki article never mentions Communism, of which Japan was in a life or death struggle with. Can you elaborate on this?

    Sure, one thing is you gotta check this video by James Perloff on WW2.

    James Perloff : The Real History of WW2

    Download this video, it is gold. And pass it on. Interestingly he is Jewish, which proves that some Jews can be honest and good guys.

  182. Malla says:
    @Schuetze

    One more book worth reading is
    How the Far East Was Lost: American Policy and the Creation of Communist China, 1941-1949 Paperback – April 28, 2012
    by Anthony Kubek (Author)

    There are hundreds of footnotes, sources and the author had access to the private papers of General Patrick J. Hurley, former American Ambassador to Nationalist China. At the Hoover War Memorial Library in Stanford University he was able to examine in detail the private diaries and correspondence of General Joseph Stilwell and learn the exact role played by “Vinegar Joe” in the China tragedy. Also, transcripts from the Harry Dexter White Papers at Princeton University library and many other sources.

    [MORE]

    In 1920, the Communist movement in Asia was organized after Lenin sent his secretary, Marin, to establish secretly a Chinese Communist Party as a branch of the Communist International. In 1922, the Soviet government sent Adolf Joffe, a Jew, to China on the delicate mission of establishing official diplomatic relations with the internationally recognized Chinese government in Peking, while at the same time arranging for Soviet support of the revolutionary movement of Kuomintang, which aimed at overthrowing the Peking government. Joffe did not meet with success in Peking but met with Sun Yat-sen at Shanghai in January 1923, he was able to arrange an entente between Soviet Russia and the Kuomintang. Joffe returned to Soviet Russia and was succeeded by Leo Karakhan, the foremost Soviet expert in Oriental diplomacy. In 1924 he obtained official recognition of the Soviet Union from the Peking government.

    In Oct. 1927, a major speech before the Chamber of Commerce of the United States, George Bronson Rea outlined the picture of Bolshevism spreading over China. Friction developed between Russia and China over the administration of the Chinese Eastern Railway. The two parties had agreed in the Sino-Soviet agreement in 1924 that it would be a joint administration of the railway as a commercial enterprise. There was also an agreement forbidding the dissemination of propaganda inimical to the political and social institutions of either country. On April 6, 1927 the troops of Chang Tso-lin raided the Soviet Embassy in Peking and discovered documents that abundantly proved the Russians were spreading propaganda and planning to establish Communism in China.

    The Japanese saw this situation very clearly, they were seeing a Communist wall being formed in Eastern Eurasia and Japan to protect her own security, began to take measures to check the flow of the Red tide. The Japanese statesmen understood the Communist threat in the Far East far better than any other nation could have. It was clear to the Japanese that unless bastions of defense were built in Manchuria and Inner Mongolia, Communism would spread all of North China and seriously threaten the security of Japan.

    The United States had its danger zone in the Caribbean, and since the era of Thomas Jefferson, every effort had been made to strengthen the American position and keep foreign nations from establishing naval and military bases that would threaten American security. So Japan regarded Manchuria. But this fact was not recognized by the American Government after the close of WWI. Why?

    Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson directed a long verbal barrage against the Japanese. When Wall Street man FDR became President in 1933, he supported the “Stimson Doctrine” without reservation. It is significant that during the first Cabinet meeting of the Roosevelt Administration full with Soviet agents, March 7, 1933 the eventuality of war with Japan was carefully considered. On October 5,1937, FDR made a famous address at Chicago, in which he advocated a “quarantine” against aggressor nations. His words of sharp criticism were directed at Japan. He had inaugurated a new policy of pressure that helped drive Americans down the road to war.

    On July 26,1939, notice was given to Japan that after six months the Commercial Treaty of February 21, 1911 would expire. This action was a blow to the national pride of the Japanese.
    Roosevelt wanted to employ economic sanctions against Japan. Ambassador Joseph C. Grew was against this idea so FDR brought into his Cabinet on June 20, 1940, the Secretary of war, Henry L. Stimson who had convinced him of the efficacy of that policy back in January,1933.
    With the arrival of Stimson in the Cabinet, FDR began to forge an economic chain around Japan that foreclosed any hope of understanding between the two countries.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @antibeast
  183. El Dato says:
    @Polemos

    Independence from the vampiric oligarchy and (((handlers))) would be an excellent idea.

  184. El Dato says:
    @alwayswrite

    “The last hope of the Zone A denizen are emojis”

    • Replies: @alwayswrite
  185. El Dato says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Actually

    “we lost a conflict we ended in 1991”

    is a pretty good epitah on the “War on Terror”.

  186. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Under these circumstances, Japan was compelled to adopt a new policy. She began to expand to the south in order to control those areas which would supply not only the necessities of life, but also the products essential to the Japanese war effort- notably oil, rubber, tin and adequate foodstuffs. On July 25,1941, FDR issued an executive order, effective the next day, freezing all Japanese assets in the United States. In effect, it created an economic blockade of Japan. America’s highest military and naval authorities- among them Admiral Harold R. Stark, Chief of Naval Operations and General George C. Marshall, Army Chief of Staff- believed that the freezing order would cause Japan to take last-ditch measures.
    Six days before the order was issued the War Plans Division warned that an embargo on Japan would possibly involve the United States in an unnecessary war in the Pacific. Dr. Stanley K. Hornbeck, Advisor on Political Relations to the State Department and Secretaries the Jewish Morgenthau and Stimson strongly advocated the order.
    When the Japanese Ambassador, Admiral Kichisabura Nomura, called at the Department of State to inquire as to the meaning of the executive order, he was coolly received. Tojo, then Minister of War, regarded the freezing order by the United States as driving Japan into a corner. Oil was vital to Japan, and from now on each fall of the level on oil brought the hour of decision closer. Historian Louis Morton, Chief of the Pacific Section, Department of Army, wrote that America by adopting a program of unrestricted economic warfare, left Japan the embarrassing choice of humiliating surrender or resistance by whatever means lay at hand. He termed the American order of July 26 “the Japanese Pearl Harbor,” suggesting a degree of provocation in excess of what many have been willing to concede.
    President Roosevelt and his advisors ignored the realities in the Far Eastern situation. They willfully and purposely ignored the fact that Manchuria and Inner Mongolia were danger zones for Japan. Japanese statesmen of every party had realized for years the significance of Communist menace to Japanese security.

    Churchill said, the first time he met Roosevelt, Roosevelt had told him that,“regardless of whether Japan attacked us or not the United States would go to war” At noon on November 25, Secretaries Stimson and Knox met at the White House together with General Marshall and Admiral Stark. The discussion dealt mainly with the Japanese situation concerning the intercepted message fixing the November 29 deadline. The President brought up the event that we were likely to be attacked perhaps as soon as next Monday. The main question was “how we should maneuver into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.” Roosevelt was desperate for a war with Japan to force a backdoor entry into the war with the German Third Reich as Berlin had smartly avoided taking Roosevelt’s baits and provocations for a Lusitania 2.0 to rile up the disinterested American people into a war to attack Third Reich Germany. German U-boats had been given strict orders from Berlin to stand down to American naval provocations.

    Harry Dexter White ( Soviet Agent) putting pressure on the Japanese by sending a letter signed “Henry Morgenthau Jr.” to the President Roosevelt on the 24th or 25th of November. In words told of the dire consequences that would come in the wake of any agreement with Japan. Pressure exerted by Communist sympathizers in the Institute of Pacific Relations must also be taken into account when analyzing the reasons for the many rejections of a truce with Japan. On November 25, Professor Owen Lattimore, (Soviet spy) the special advisor to Chiang Kai-shek dispatched an anxious cable to Presidential Assistant Lauchlin Currie ( Soviet Agent) arguing against any agreement between the United States and Japan on a modus vivendi.

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    , @Miro23
  187. Malla says:
    @Malla

    When Congressman Martin Dies, Chairman of the House Committee on Un-American Activities, became insistent on digging Reds out of the Administration, he was summoned to the White House, where Roosevelt , in fury, told him, “several of my best friends I’ve got are Communists, You’re all wrong about this….” After Earl Browder the head of the Communist Party in the United States had been sent to the penitentiary for passport fraud in making a clandestine trip to Moscow, Roosevelt pardoned him as a contribution to “national unity,” now that the Soviet Union was “our ally”. Browder boasted, in his testimony before the Tydings Committee in 1950 that in 1942 and 1943 he reported to Roosevelt, and that the information he relayed to the White House had an important in reshaping American policy in China.

    [MORE]

    Besides, Roosevelt seems to have had an exalted opinion of himself as a diplomat. Frequently his ambassadors were by-passed by his direct personal diplomacy. During the Beaverbrook-Haaiman Mission in October 1941 Harriman said to Marshal Stalin, “I hope you will feel free to cable President Roosevelt directly on any matters that you consider of importance. President Roosevelt would welcome such messages.” So the groundwork was laid for the personal negotiations between Roosevelt and Stalin that were to cause so much difficulty later on.
    The President had no doubt that he could enroll Stalin as a member of his circle and could lead the Soviet leader along new paths of accommodation. As early as March, 1942, the President in writing to Churchill had said: “I tell you that I think I can handle Stalin personally better than either your Foreign Office or my State Department.” Later Roosevelt told Ross McIntire, his private physician, “If I can convince him [Stalin] that our offer of co-operation is on the square, and that we want to be comrades rather than enemies, I’m betting that he’ll come in. And,” the President added with a grin, “what helps a lot is that Stalin is the only man I have to convince. Joe doesn’t worry about a Congress or a Parliament. He’s the whole works.”

    Roosevelt had little patience with diplomats who were well acquainted with Soviet policy and who warned him against any optimism about establishing cordial Soviet-American relations. Former Governor George H. Earle of Pennsylvania was a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy serving as assistant naval attaché in Turkey. Earle sent frantic dispatches to Washington concerning the alarming situation in that country in regard to Russia. In May, 1944, he flew to Washington to see the President. While waiting in an ante-room in the White House, he met Secretary Forrestal and conveyed his fears of the USSR. Within the shadow of the President’s desk, Forrestal told him: “My God, I think this is dreadful. We were all alone over here. Russia can do no wrong. It is perfectly dreadful. They just simply are blind to the situation.” When Earle saw Roosevelt, he said: “Mr. President, the real menace is not Germany, it is Soviet Russia.” FDR gave Earle a smile and said: “George, Russia is a nation of 180 million people speaking 120 different dialects. When the war is over she will fly to pieces like a centrifugal machine at high speed.” A short time later, Roosevelt wrote a letter to Earle forbidding him to publish an article concerning his critical views of the Soviet Union. Commander Earle was exiled as Governor of Samoa, a remote island in the Pacific, “so I could not talk.”

    • Replies: @Malla
  188. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Harry Truman sent Marshall to China. On December 15, 1945 his directive is to form a coalition government between the free Chinese and the Communists. Marshall’s entire mission was one of convenience to the Reds. Before he went to China, the Communists occupied a very small portion of China. Their Army numbered less than 300,000 badly equipped troops. When Marshall returned from China to be rewarded by Truman with an appointment as Secretary of State, the Communist -controlled area had greatly increased. The Communist Army had grown from 300,000 badly equipped troops to an Army over 2,000,000 relatively well-equipped soldiers. The testimony of General Marshall corroborates the conclusion that an arms embargo was used in an attempt to force Chiang Kai-shek to admit Communist elements into the Government.

    [MORE]

    The Institute of Pacific Relations (IPR) probably more than any other single factor, conditioned out people to abandon the mainland of China to the Communists. When Edward C. Carter became the chief administrator, July 1934, welcomed the USSR as a new member. The American branch of the IPR grew rapidly and prospered, boasting over 1,000 members. The Rockefeller, Carnegie foundations gave millions of dollars. J.P. Morgan, Shell Oil, International Business Machines, British Lever Brothers and many others. The IPR has been an organization whose chief function has been to influence United States public opinion on Far East matters. The Senate Subcommittee has concluded that the IPR has been neither objective nor nonpartisan and that since the mid 1930s, the net effect of the IPR activities on United States public opinion has been pro-Communist and pro-Soviet, and has frequently and repeatedly been such as to serve international Communist Chinese Communist and Soviet interests, and to subvert the interest of the United States. The the Japanese branch of the IPR was used as a spy ring for Russia Communist and the Russian Red Army. Elizabeth T. Bentley a former operator in the underground movement of the American Communist Party , mentioned that her superior, Jacob Golos, referred to the IPR as “…. Red as a rose….”

    It is no longer debatable that Cairo, Teheran, Yalta, Potsdam, and elsewhere the Western World took wrong actions in its wartime and postwar dealings with the U.S.S.R. The Red lava released by these actions has since engulfed the seven hundred million inhabitants of Poland, East Germany, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, mainland China, North Korea, Vietnam , Cuba etc. These wrong actions gained wide acceptability, if not outright approval, by a controlling percentage of policy-makers, scholars, writers, and other molders of policy and opinion. They had the “wrong thoughts,” about the Soviet Union and Communist China. The wartime activities of the IPR penetrated the White House when Soviet agent Lauchlin Currie became executive assistant to the President and special advisor on Far Eastern affairs. Currie was responsible for setting up a conference in Washington, on October 12, 1942, between himself Sumner Welles, then Under Secretary of State, and Earl Browder ( head of the Communist Party USA) and Robert Miner, then officials of the Communist Party. John T. Flynn made a study of thirty books dealing with the political conditions of China. He found that twenty-three of these books were pro-Communist, seven were anti-Communist. He explains the whole subject with this interesting statement: Every one of the 23 pro-communist books, where reviewed, received glowing approval in the literary reviews…. That is, in the New York Times, the Herald Tribune, the Nation, and the New Republic and the Saturday Review of Literature and every one of the anti-Communist books was either roundly condemned or ignored in the same reviews.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  189. Malla says:
    @Schuetze

    https://altcensored.com/watch?v=pwOWtfArvQw

    Red Ice Radio – Joshua Blakeney – Hour 1 – Japan Bites Back: Allied Demonization of the Empire of Japan

    Joshua Blakeney is a freelance journalist originally from the UK based in Canada. He has been Press TV’s (Iran) Canadian correspondent since April 2012. He is a co-host of The Real Deal radio show and co-founder of Non-Aligned Media. In 2014, after extensive archival research at the Diet National Library in Japan, Blakeney published Japan Bites Back: Documents Contextualizing Pearl Harbor, the topic of our discussion. Joshua begins with an overview of his journey into the world of WWII history. He speaks about the backdrop of Japan as the perceived aggressor in the Pearl Harbor operation, and the threat of communism that went against Japan’s unique, homogenized and autonomous way of living. Joshua explains the history of Japan’s interests in preserving the Asiatic agrarian societies and the need to expel Western influence. Then, we compare Pan-Asianist ideology to Iran’s attempt to unify its region today. Joshua makes connections to false flag events such as Pearl Harbor and origins of wars that have been interpreted in a fraudulent manner. They discuss (in the second hour) the need for a 3rd position to view the imported problems created by mass immigration, along with the necessity for Muslims and Whites to avoid serving Zionist interests. At the end, Joshua describes how Japan’s connection to the land and collective spirituality has allowed the country to develop a superior culture.

    You can get more on the subject from these earlier posts both mine and of others.

    https://www.unz.com/article/one-billion-americans-or-one-billion-consumers-fundamental-questions-for-matt-yglesias-before-we-can-review-his-book/#comment-4210409
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  190. Malla says:

    The Indian media has started going ape shit about the American withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan. LOL.

    About scary Taliban and “evul sneaky” China going to Afghanistan to turn it into a colony. And to use Afghanistan “against India”. LOL. As if China has nothing else to do except try “attacking India” If ever war breaks out in between India and China leading to say WW3, the post war trails should put all our Indian media crackpots on trial especially the shitty Hindi media for inciting the war in the first place.

    British Raj had far far better freedom of speech for average Indians than any other power who ruled India before them or any Communist country but the non-English vernacular media would write such garbage and lies to incite the masses that the Government had to clamp down on them, reluctantly but had to. Many British officers could read and write Indian languages. And most of these Indian media houses have Baniya (mercantile) owners and Brahmin editors. That same lying crackpot media torturing the British Raj, Govt of India went anti-China (and it was always anti-Pakistan).

  191. @El Dato

    El Dato Oh that sounds original,did you get that little nugget of BS from the saker

    ” Zone A” how pathetic,from a rather pathetic specimen called the saker,don’t be a mug and follow his hollow bollox

  192. antibeast says:
    @Malla

    The Japanese saw this situation very clearly, they were seeing a Communist wall being formed in Eastern Eurasia and Japan to protect her own security, began to take measures to check the flow of the Red tide. The Japanese statesmen understood the Communist threat in the Far East far better than any other nation could have. It was clear to the Japanese that unless bastions of defense were built in Manchuria and Inner Mongolia, Communism would spread all of North China and seriously threaten the security of Japan.

    So let me get this straight: the Japanese conquered Manchuria in 1931 and invaded China in 1937 which started the Second Sino-Japanese War because they wanted to contain Soviet Communism in Asia? How? By waging a brutal war against the very person responsible for stopping the spread of Soviet Communism in Asia: Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek who purged the Chinese Communist Fifth-Columnists from the KMT and expelled the Soviet Comintern agents from China ten years earlier in 1927? The Second Sino-Japanese War was exactly what caused the demise of the Republic of China which was making rapid progress from 1927 to 1937 with its main ally, GERMANY not the USA!!!

    This conspiracy theory of ‘USA losing China’ claims that US commies (possibly Jewish) somehow coerced the Truman Administration to abandon Chiang Kai-shek to Mao Zedong, thereby allowing the ‘USA to lose China’ which is utter nonsense because the Republic of China had turned into a rump State after eighth years of brutal warfare during the Second Sino-Japanese War, exacerbated by the corruption and incompetence of the KMT gangster-capitalists. Contrary to this theory, the main reason why the CCP gained strength was because it resorted to fighting a ‘People’s War of National Liberation’ against the Imperial Japanese Army when it grew TEN-FOLD during the Second Sino-Japanese War. The CCP strongholds were in Northeast China where the bulk of the IJA war crimes were committed following the ‘Three-Alls’ campaign to defeat the CCP guerillas. Meanwhile, Chiang had abandoned Nanjing to move his capital to Chongqing where he waged a ‘war of attrition’ against the IJA, aided by the ‘Flying Tigers’ consisting of American volunteers hired by the ROC government as its Air Force. By the end of 1945, the Soviet Red Army had allowed the CCP to move into Manchuria where the Chinese Communists now had access to heavy weapons, trucks, munitions factories, etc. left behind by the IJA. Once that happened, the CCP rapidly advanced to the rest of China, encountering resistance but winning over remnants of the KMT armies who were surrendering in droves. No matter what the USA did after the war, the CCP would have won the Civil War due to the moribund state of the KMT.

    What is the relevance of the USA to the Republic of China prior to the Second Sino-Japanese War? Nothing. Therefore China was not for the USA to lose because it had nothing to do with the Republic of China prior to the war. The only time that the Republic of China became allied with the USA was after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. And what did the Americans (and other Westerners) do after the Japanese began their invasion of Southeast Asia? They simply surrendered their Western colonies — lock, stock and barrel — after FIVE months of fighting, ending FIVE CENTURIES of Western colonial rule in Asia. In other words, they made things WORSE for the Chinese who had been fighting the Japanese in China for FOUR years!!! The Empire of Japan grew STRONGER for the next two years until the Americans then started their so-called ‘island-hopping’ campaign to fight and defeat the Imperial Japanese Navy in the Pacific theater. How is that American campaign relevant to the China theater? Not much as the Americans hardly fought the Imperial Japanese Army in China (with the exception of the ‘Flying Tigers’ volunteer group). In the meantime, Stillwell could not get along with Chiang and had problems dealing with the Chinese so he had to be relieved of his duties. So how else did the USA aid Chiang? Lend-Lease? That slowed to a trickle after the Japanese invaded Burma and cut-off the Burma road.

    Do you know who performed the best during the Second Sino-Japanese War? The German-trained and equipped divisions of the Chinese Nationalist Army. Here’s its Wikipedia entry:

    The German trained divisions (Chinese: 德械師, literally German-equipped divisions) were the elite-quality, best trained and equipped infantry divisions in the Republic of China’s National Revolutionary Army trained under Sino-German cooperation from 1926 to 1941. Led by Chiang Kai-shek, the President of the Republic of China. These divisions were active in the Chinese Civil War and Second Sino-Japanese War.

    In 1927, after the dissolution of the First United Front between the Nationalists and the Communists, the ruling Kuomintang (KMT, or the Chinese Nationalist Party) purged its leftist members and largely eliminated Soviet influence from its ranks. Chiang Kai-shek then turned to Germany, historically a great military power, for the reorganisation and modernisation of the NRA.

    The Weimar Republic sent advisors to the Republic of China, but because of the restrictions imposed by the Treaty of Versailles, they could not serve in military capacities. Chiang initially requested famous generals such as Ludendorff and von Mackensen as advisors – the Weimar Republic turned him down, fearing that they were too famous, would invite the ire of the Allies, and would result in the loss of national prestige for such renowned figures to work, essentially, as mercenaries. Max Bauer was the first advisor sent to China.

    When Adolf Hitler became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933 and disregarded the Treaty, the anti-communist Nazi Party and the anti-communist KMT were soon engaged in cooperation with Germany training Chinese troops and expanding Chinese infrastructure, while China opened its markets and natural resources to Germany.

    In 1934 General Hans von Seeckt, acting as advisor to President Chiang, proposed a “80 Division Plan” for reforming the entire Chinese army into 80 divisions of highly trained, well-equipped troops organised along German lines. The plan was never fully realised, as the vying warlords could not agree upon the reorganised division organization and the disbanding of the others. By July 1937 only 8 infantry divisions had completed reorganisation and training. These were the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 14th, 36th, 87th, 88th, and the Training Division.

    Another 12 divisions equipped with Chinese arms on the reorganized model with German advisors had some training by the time the Second Sino-Japanese War started in July 1937. These Divisions were the 2nd, 4th, 10th, 11th, 25th, 27th, 57th, 67th, 80th, 83rd, 89th Infantry Divisions.

    GERMANY — not the USA — had the most influence on the Armed Forces of the Republic of China. Therefore, the USA was not in a position to ‘lose China’ because the Republic of China had nothing to do with the USA prior to Second Sino-Japanese War.

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  193. @gatobart

    You forget to mention that Allende’s election in 1973 was openly fraudulent as he had earned only 35% of all popular votes and won by default due to the pro-American Christian Democrat Tomic’s refusing to submit to a run-off which would have led to the victory of hard nationalist right (pro-Franco) Alessandrini by 65% if such a run-off had taken place. This refusal to submit to a run-off was actually anti-constitutional. A great majority of voters was already sympathetic to old-school fascist ideas, more exactly to a system of professional corporations called gremialism inspired by Mussolini’s corporatism and Salazar’s Estado Novo. As the coup took place that electorate applauded the operations of anti-leftist vengeance with bloody delight : a giant sports arena was converted into a Coliseum-like Roman-style circus in the centre of Santiago to see leftists being slowly tortured, people payed to see someone like the leftist Victor Jarra being chainsawed limb after limb by a detachment of soldiers. Pinochet was a dictator for 17 years and instead of reestablishing a republican government he just submitted his power to a referendum (or an important law he identified with), which he systematically won by a 58-65% margin (which score was helped by the mass emigration of firmer Allende supporters).

    Pinochet’s economic performance was disappointing (Chili was expected by his partisans to turn his country into a kind of Asian “Dragon” : he even talked about setting up a caste system as in India, but Asian-type prosperity failed to materialize, no trickle down of the kind even the poorest in Thailand benefitted from) and as his popularity got below 45% he went away as entrusted the financial powers which had backed him with the task of reestablishing a constitutional government. A little known fact about Pinochet was his project of establishing a “totalitarian” form of democracy : all political parties would have been phased out of existence, but leaders and laws as edicted by an authoritarian corporatist government (each corporation or cartel of corporations whether professional or multinational would have edicted laws in its domain : like health for the medical college or IBM for computers) but submitted to popular referendum whenever would show up a huge number of malcontents, while the President would have been a military and the royal family of Spain would have been sovereign again making Chile into a Dominion like Canada, rather than a Republic.

    The major problem about Allende who was a flamboyant populist indeed in his demeanour, was that he didn’t have on his side the instinctual and often rural kind of people populists normally have, nor the kind of working poor people marxists leaders normally have on their side : he had, mostly concentrated in the central urban region of Santiago and Valparaiso, the kind of tepid utopian leftists you can find around the left of the American Democratic Party : in the desert copper-rich North he had no support, nor in the cold-climate German and Anglo settled South who considered Allende voters as inferior by race. In particular, most contrary to Trump, he had all the truck drivers against him and the personnel working in the copper mines, who preferred to use English than Spanish so strong was their loyalty to their employers.

    The kind of electorate Trump could muster in the US was clearly like the ones who first applauded the ostentatiously criminal operations of Pinochet : anti-intellectual first and foremost, rather rural, physical workers rather than nerds, small and middle entrepreneurs. In particular all refugees from Chile and other American sponsored right-wing dictatorships in South America particularly rejected Trump as the representative of that kind of American culture they feel as regressive and oppressive. You cannot imagine two most opposite characters than Trump and Allende : Allende was trying to salvage progressive republican institutions from an American Empire then using Nixon’s infamous southern strategy which consisted in recuperating Wallace-style White Christian Western-movie-style populism, while Trump counted on White Christian identity from an American Empire defending fake “progressive” political institutions. Anyway everything points to Allende’s victory in 1970 having been a false flag operation carefully elaborated in the framework of the Project Camelot at JFK and Kissinger’s initiative from 1962 onwards : false-flag left-wing puppets had to be deployed in various Latin American countries to immunize them against a realer red subversion so as to justify a violent counter-reaction from the pro-American right. Allende officially committed suicide when he was surrounded by the Chilean army on the september the 11th 1973 : actually he left a note of suicide and disappeared. Some think to have seen him in the USA thereafter. One thing is certain : Allende was a high rank member of an American Masonic Order (the same where Albert Pike professed) generally known to be leaning on the extreme right.

    Your comparison between the two opponents to the Empire is very wobbly.

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  194. @Mulga Mumblebrain

    ISIS is already there and had been attacking the Taliban… Ex Afghan officials already were accusing the US of supporting the Taliban… But that was what the Shanghai Cooperation Organization was formed by Russia and China for – to combat jihadi groups in the region.

  195. “Actually we lost a conflict we ended in 1991”
    is a pretty good epitah on the “War on Terror”.”

    This doesn’t make sense to me.

    1. defining terrorism as a singular event or disposition is probably not an accurate understanding of what is meany by “war on terror”

    2. there is no epitaph for something like amorphous groups or individuals with varying agendas willing to kill to make their point.

    How we battle that may need to be something more sophisticated than invasion, but make no mistake — terrorism and the battle against it, is even whispering an end or an epitaph that ushers it out the door.

  196. @gatobart

    Part of the myth is WW1 and 2. The US soldiers effectively were like a 60th minute sub in a 90 minute match… In Europe and Asia millions of dead on both sides took place before the US got involved in the fights… The myth makers never told that part.

    But I agree with your comment overall.

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  197. @David Rodriguez

    Are you claiming Air America didn’t exist – which was a drug dealing operation to fund black ops in Asia? Are you claiming Manuel Noriega wasn’t a CIA asset??? Are you claiming the “Shower Posse” of Jamaica (who brought many tons of Colombian cocaine into the US) weren’t trained by the CIA to fight pro Castro forces? And on and on and on…

  198. @Johnny Smoggins

    “People who believe in that theory can never explain how it’s in the interests of either the CIA or the U.S. government to have millions more junkies in the U.S.”

    I rural parts of many US states – the prison industrial complex is the only functioning economy.

    “The same people also believe that the U.S. invaded Iraq “to take all the oil”, but can’t explain why they would do that when the U.S. can buy, produce or steal all the oil they need from elsewhere.”

    The US dollar depends on the international oil trade by Arab countries requiring use of the US dollar. Saddam tried to break off from that. Ghaddafi in Libya tried. Venezuela is trying… Iran as well… China is buying in it’s own and local currencies or bartering… You don’t see a theme? All labelled “enemies” of the US and “threats”.

  199. gatobart says:
    @showmethereal

    I agree. But as they say in the movies, “I got to give them something”. I know is not a nice attitude, but even if I am sure there must be some others cases of “American” courage & bravery in combat during the XX Century, the only image we in the outside world have which are known also by all in the US are those we have seen in the movies, of U.S. troops storming the beaches of Normandy and Iwo Jima. In fact the most authentic images of “American” courage I would have to mention are those of civil right activists in the South having to face right wing racist cops and their dogs and anti war protesters in streets and univeristy campus of the nation but that would destroy my thesis for at least half of the U.S. audience for whom they were Commies and Hanoi Janes. Which means “American” courage is not dead, at least it wasn’t dead by the last time we saw it in the 1970s.

    And you are right also about Iraq and the oil. That is the reason also why they went against Qadaffi, because he wanted to sell Libyan oil in other currencies and even worse, he planned to break away from the Wall Street mafia racket. The reason also why Juan Guaido miraculously appeared as the Savior for Venezuela as soon as Maduro announced he was dumpind the US dollar. Same thing with Iran and even Russia. The empire doesn’t care who owns the oil, the only thing they care is that those who own it seel it in US dollars, period. But the good thing is that is show where really hurts so provides the best weapons for the global Resistence: to drop it, to dump their dollars as Russia has being doing lately.

    • Agree: Showmethereal
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  200. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    “You forget to mention that Allende’s election in 1973 was openly fraudulent as he had earned only 35% of all popular votes and won by default due to the pro-American Christian Democrat Tomic’s refusing to submit to a run-off which would have led to the victory of hard nationalist right (pro-Franco) Alessandrini by 65% if such a run-off had taken place”

    You have no idea of what you are talking about, You can evet get the years right, let alone the names and numbers; and don’t get me started about the “facts”:

    Your clueless idiocy is clearly at display in your very first sentence when you claim that Allende “was elected with fraud in 1973, when he won by only 35%”. Truth is, Allende couldn’t have committed electoral fraud (in 1970! the real year) even if he had wanted to, because the governing party at the time in Chile was the Christian Democrats, a party that included all tendencies from left to right and which was led at the time by the center-right Chilean President, Eduardo Frei, who was at the time the poster boy for Washington in Latin America.

    In response to the Cuban Revolution, and after Bay of Pigs and October 1962, the US decided to take a carrot and stick approach towards LatAm, i.e. to show military muscle (usually in collaboration with right wing regimes and governments in the continent while supplying aid and weapons, along with anti-guerrilla training, to local armies). Along with that they decided to display a showcase for Capitalist wealth and prosperity (as Japan and South Korea in Asia and West Germany in Europe). Opportunity appeared in the presidential elections in Chile in 1964, where the Communist-Socialist coalition would be running (again) against the Right and the aforementioned Christian Democrats (PDC), who offered the middle ground to Chileans, prosperity and “revolution” within freedom and democracy, i.,e sparing violent revolution to the masses, which was the main fear of many who wanted progress. They even put a name to it, Revolucion en Libertad. Chile had been practically the only country in South America who had managed to keep a working Constitutional system intact since at least the 1930s and the one which politics most closely resembled that of a developed country so they saw it as the perfect prototype for a new kind of relation between the empire and its Latin American client states.

    So during the presidential campaign of 1964 the U.S. showered Frei with money and logistics, above all to be able to achieve an efficient electoral campaign, the same the Democrats, then in power, had used in 1960 to make an icon of the recently deceased JFK. So Eduardo Frei became the Chilean JFK and unsurprisingly enough, he won the 1964 election with 51% of votes and thus took office. He was the president in 1970 when the next presidential election took place. Now, I’d like you to explain me how in the world Socialist Allende could have won that election by fraud when the one at the helm was PDC Frei, such a big friend of “America”. You are a liar, even worse an idiotic liar because you lie without even knowing what you are lying about. You don’t even know that during all elections of Parliament and president the army is the one that assumes control of the jurisdictions were those elections are taking place. Until the votes are counted and winners are declared it is the army who supervises the entire process along with the police and during that time not even the government has the power to intervene in the process, not even the president. It has been like that for most of living memory and so you will have to explain how an anti-Communist army high command would have conspired to put a “Commie” in power.

    But you ignorance is even more in display when you pretend that Allende took office with electoral fraud because he got only 35% of the vote. There are already several lies in that. Before the military coup in 1973 the Chilean electoral system didn’t have a second round and the form of electing the president, if the winner hadn’t gotten an absolute majority, was in a full session in Congress. They, the parliamentarians, were the ones to confirm the winner. Congress usually confirmed the one who had gathered a majority, absolute or not, so they were supposed to confirm Allende anyway, even if he had gotten only 36% of the vote (not 35%). After Pinochet was forced to leave in 1991 that was changed, as many assumed that most of the troubles during the Allende government had come from the fact that he had taken office with such a tiny minority (the second in the race, Alessandri, arrived only 39.000 votes behind him) so the run-off election was established. So you are lying, Once again! when you savage Radomiro Tomic for not submitting to a run-off election. He couldn’t, because there was no such thing as a run-off elections in Chile at the time…! And Tomic wasn’t such a pro-American as you pretend after all, he had an open mind and even admired Mao’s China and used to say that in China people believe that murder and steal are immoral things without them needing to believe in a God. That only show your own intellectual decay, you can only see two kinds of people in the world, Pro-Americans & Commies. Tomic was a great man, coming from a family of Yugoslavian immigrants, the great tragedy for Chile in my view is that he wasn’t given the chance to win the 1970 election instead of Allende, he was the only one with the intelligence, the vision and the political and diplomatic skills the country needed to spare itself of all the troubles, tragedy and violence that came in the next decades. That is why the notion that the regime of Pinochet is the work of Washington and the CIA is completely wrong, everybody in Chile knows that all that was cooked up in Chile itself and that the Pinochet regime was 100% the result of the mistakes of the decade before.

    Also, the former president was Alessandri, not Alessandrini, and there was no way he was gonna get 65% in a run off. Both he and Allende had gotten about 36% of the vote and Tomic the rest, about 28%. In case of a run-off election Tomic would have most likely called his voters to vote for Allende, as his sympathy were to the Left and he was the first to come to Allende’s home the morning of the 5th to congratulate him for his victory so we know where his vote would have gone. In fact many PDC voters said that the PDC program was the same as that of Allende, so a Socialist-Communist-PDC governing coalition with a solid majority was entirely possible in 1970, and would have surely saved the country. Instead of that Chile got Pinochet and his many crimes. After all, Nixon and Kissinger were half right, the irresponsibility of the Chilean people led them to disaster…!

  201. @gatobart

    to dump their dollars as Russia has being doing lately.

    Interestingly, lately even the US/Israel stooges like KSA are dumping the US Treasuries. Today the FRS game is: issue Treasuries, and then, having no takers, buy them. When someone issues debt obligations and then buys them, even a retarded baboon would smell a rat.

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  202. gatobart says:
    @Francis Miville

    And yet I have to say sorry to you. I shouldn’t have called you an idiot, because you are not an idiot in any way. What you really are is simply crazy, fit to be tied crazy. After reading this gem of you I don’t think anyone with half a brain in their heads will want ever to read again a single line of what your write:

    “As the coup took place that electorate applauded the operations of anti-leftist vengeance with bloody delight : a giant sports arena was converted into a Coliseum-like Roman-style circus in the centre of Santiago to see leftists being slowly tortured, people payed to see someone like the leftist Victor Jarra being chainsawed limb after limb by a detachment of soldiers”

    Anyone who pretends that any military dictatorship of the XX or XXI Century, even the worst of them, would make a public display of what is going on inside their interrogation rooms and torture chambers, even going to the extreme of accepting paying public to see the show, doesn’t deserve to be left walking the streets, doesn’t even deserve to be walking on two legs…!

    (BTW, if there is any hint of the mental state of this poor guy, just think about that hallucinating dismembering of singer composer Jara, who had in fact all the fingers of his right hand, those who used to play the guitar, broken before being shot dead)

    So, people, you have been warned, most if not all of what goes on inside the febrile mind of this poor fella and goes then into the computer screen is nothing more than his own crazy delusional fantasies.

  203. anonymous[753] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    and dressing like liberated 1970s women

    “Liberated”?

    We understand what that entails.

    We never could comprehend this innate euRapean proclivity to pimp their women on the path to whore-dom.

    What sick pleasure do you pagan godless vermin get from such God defying degeneracy?

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  204. gatobart says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Right on. Even Bolsanaro, that great friend of Washington in the Americas shakes the hand of the US representative and swears eternal loyalty to the empire and right after goes back to his office to sign multibillion dollar trade and financial deals with Communist China. The same does Chile’s Pinera, on his way to buy tens of millions of China’s Sinovac vaccines. It is like in those Hollywood comedies that fit so well to self-deprecating guys like Will Ferrell or Steve Martin. He is a leader of the street gang that go full force (bats and chains) to face a rival gang in a basketball court and when they get there they realize the other gang is much bigger and robust. He (Ferrell or Martin) starts then having big doubts and starts giving quick nervous glances at their own backs: “you are still with me guys, are you….?”) and the others go, yeah, yeah, still here, while one by one they are cautiously and silently tiptoeing out of the scene. But that’s life and also a stark lesson for the empire. In the end humans don’t have any other loyalty than to themselves, and they should know that better than anyone else, the elites of the collapsing empire…!

    Just one thing: I don’t think that the Treasury has the authority/ability to buy back its own bonds and bills. I think that when nobody wants to buy them. the one stepping in is the Federal Reserve, the one they call the Lender of Last Resort. But in the end that doesn’t change anything because the only difference will be the identity of the lender, the Treasury will be in debt the same.

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  205. @gatobart

    Yea, in the court of law Treasury and FRS are different entities. But both are branches of the US government. One buying from the other is about as sensible as your right pocket buying from your left one. FRS buying treasuries only means that the US is printing money like there is no tomorrow. No external enemy could possibly damage the US dollar and economy more than American elites. Yet a large fraction of Americans appears to be content with their leadership. New Testament tells us what happens when the blind lead the blind.

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  206. Druid says:
    @By-tor

    Russia, yes, the Jews’ professed enemy!

  207. “Every thinking mind across Central and South Asia knows that the Empire of Chaos, for two long decades, was never interested in defeating the Taliban or fighting for “the freedom of the Afghan people.”

    Whenever the US engages in these things we note that there is no objective cited or what the definition of ‘winning’ is. ‘Winning’, which of course is available at the ‘push of a button’, is no longer a ‘goal. because ‘winning’ implies that something is over. Over means no more money. There’s a quip that sums it up where the Generals are sitting around drunk and laughing…‘Win?….Winning is for losers’

  208. Smith says:
    @anonymous

    Um, based…I mean great.

    I like sexy women, but…great.

  209. Miro23 says:
    @Malla

    Oil was vital to Japan, and from now on each fall of the level on oil brought the hour of decision closer. Historian Louis Morton, Chief of the Pacific Section, Department of Army, wrote that America by adopting a program of unrestricted economic warfare, left Japan the embarrassing choice of humiliating surrender or resistance by whatever means lay at hand.

    Oil is similarly vital to China today and it all goes through the South China Sea.

    If the US has decided on a conflict with China then they may follow he same plan and first close these sea lanes (economic blockade of China).

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    , @gatobart
  210. @Miro23

    …China is not building that road through Afghanistan to start off a silk route.

    What do you think Iran would do in such a situation?

    Blocking the straits of Hormuz would then put oil at 100x the current amount per barrel.

    BTW, where are we going to recruit for this new war? We used to get rural whites & ghetto blacks, but neither of them are patriotic right now.

    Conscription/draft? More cities burn down in protest.

  211. antibeast says:
    @AnonfromTN

    Yea, in the court of law Treasury and FRS are different entities. But both are branches of the US government. One buying from the other is about as sensible as your right pocket buying from your left one. FRS buying treasuries only means that the US is printing money like there is no tomorrow.

    The FRS is not a branch of the US government, unlike the US Treasury which is a branch of the US government. When the FRS buys US treasuries, that means the FRS is printing USD to monetize US government debt. That’s not the same as the US government printing USD because the US Treasury can only borrow USD by issuing US Treasuries which have to be paid back to the FRS in the form of taxes collected by the IRS. That’s a double whammy: you get paid less in real terms due to the devaluation of the USD while having to pay more in taxes due to the increased government debt. In monetary terms, the effect is inflationary which tends to increase prices while simultaneously slowing income growth which tends to be deflationary.

    • Replies: @AnonfromTN
    , @gatobart
  212. @gatobart

    Before the election there were mass riots and it was obvious that a lot of people supported and/ or participated in these riots. Since it is obvious that white guilt make it unbearable for most whites to “face reality” as Charles Murray put it, nothing was done.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  213. @antibeast

    You must be right. Putting legal niceties aside, bottom line is: it’s very bad both for the dollar and US economy. That’s exactly what I think.

  214. gatobart says:
    @antibeast

    Thank you. i was going to answer with that but I’d rather have an U.S. citizen himsefl doing it, which I guess you are one, In fact the very proof that you are right lies in the very nature of what they call Quantitative Easing,

    Quantitative easing (QE) is a monetary policy whereby a central bank purchases at scale government bonds or other financial assets in order to inject money into the economy to expand economic activity.
    Wilipedia.

    In the case of the US the one playing the role of the Central Bank is the Federa;l Reserve, a cartel of private banks (controlled by the Rothschild family, according to some).

    In the United States, only the Federal Reserve (often called “the Fed”) has this unique power. That’s why some people say the Federal Reserve is “printing money.”
    https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-quantitative-easing-definition-and-explanation-3305881

    That makes clear that the Treasury cannot create money by itself so it cannot issue it. I think the confusion arises in many people, who think the Treasury can actually create money, from the fact that, by definition, it is even in Google and Wikipedia, the Treasury can “print” money, i.e, is the one with the printing machine that makes the USD bills. But what I think is the nature of the process is that, once the Treasury has asked the FED to borrow, say, a billion USD, the FED enters in their computers that one billion have been lent to the U.S. government and then the Treasury puts its machines to work and they print that billion dollars or rather a small part of it, the rest being issued in many other forms, government grants, credit, using their account with the FED for that.

    And that is why the U.S. is right now sitting at the bottom of a $23T national debt hole.

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  215. gatobart says:
    @epochehusserl

    I am not talking about violence or bloodshed. I am talking about massive and peaceful presence of the populace in the streets. One thing that “Americans” haven’t still learned is that when millions of people come out in the street in peaceful demonstrations the powers that be have to take notice, they have to listen what they got to say. I have several examples just off the top of my head.

    In Chile there had been many mass protests for years, even decades, demanding that the current government dismantle the remains of the Pinochet dictatorship in their laws and Constitution (to which I have already referred here) yet all they have had as a response has been police repression, sticks and tear gas, At the end they had enough and in October 2019 the entire country exploded in massive protests all over that culminated months later in a million and a half demonstration in the capital Santiago and similar (proportional) crowds in the provinces

    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLCp1SAZ3Qw).

    Faced to this, the Pinera government realised they had to give something and that something turned out to be to hand the people the power to elect a Commission to write a new Constitution to replace the one of the Pinochet dictatorship. Other examples:
    Ever since the 60s and the 70s, every time Socialist countries like Cuba and Sandinista Cuba were in danger of an invasion by the U.S. empire, the respective leaders, Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega, called for massive presence of their citizens in some open space to show to Washington that they were not afraid of it and that they were ready to defend their country with their lives if needed. Of course they had also a well-equipped army. And every time the presence of the people in those demonstrations was between half a million and several millions. And every time it worked, because it brought back the Vietnam Syndrome to Washington, it showed the Empire their invasion would exact a very heavy price, it would turn into a bloodbath for each side, so at the Washington decided that it wasn’t worth the trouble. Now to the Middle East and Iraq:

    I have always thought that Saddam Hussein could have prevented the invasion of his country in 2003 had he been able to bring one million or two out of the streets in a massive demonstration against any US military threat against his country. But the problem was, he was hated by his own people. He was like the Ngo Dinh Diem of Iraq, he represented a Sunni minority which the Shia majority saw as their oppressor. Furthermore he was a bloody tyrant who terrorized his own people, starting with those around him, so at the end the people at large didn’t resist the U.S., invasion and saw it more or less as a liberation. Needleless to say, the only “massive” demonstration in his favor during those months counted with only about 50.000 people or so. Mind you that at the same time, beginning of 2003, around the world there were being staged monstrous protests, culminating during the Saint Valentin weekend, the 15th, when there were about 20 million around the world in the biggest global protest demonstration ever in History, set up by internet

    https://www.socialist.ca/node/1615
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/15/iraq-war-mass-protest

    For example in Madrid there was a million and in Montreal 250.000 came out in the stress with a cold in the -20 degree range. All that while in Baghdad Saddam could bring out no more than 50.000. Of course, Washington couldn’t care less about the people gathered around the world, their eyes were set on Bagdad and they liked what they saw, they knew they had the way open to Saddam’s many palaces. Imagine how ecstatic Castro or Ortega would have been of watching those millions.

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  216. antibeast says:
    @gatobart

    But what I think is the nature of the process is that, once the Treasury has asked the FED to borrow, say, a billion USD, the FED enters in their computers that one billion have been lent to the U.S. government and then the Treasury puts its machines to work and they print that billion dollars or rather a small part of it, the rest being issued in many other forms, government grants, credit, using their account with the FED for that.

    The US Treasury does have the ability to print the paper currency of the USD but does not the ability to ‘create’ money out of thin air, unlike the FED. What the US Treasury does is to borrow money from other branches of the US government (such as the US Social Security System) or from the public by issuing US government debt in the form of US Treasuries which are sold at auction to the public. Old USD are used to buy up the US Treasuries unlike the QE program where new USD are ‘created’ out of thin air by the FED to buy up the US Treasuries.

    And no, I am not American, in any manner, shape or form.

  217. gatobart says:

    Yeah, more or less what I think, or think i know. The only part of what you wrote that may be news to me is this one:

    What the US Treasury does is to borrow money from other branches of the US government (such as the US Social Security System) or from the public by issuing US government debt in the form of US Treasuries which are sold at auction to the public.

    What I have heard or read, and which may mean the same, even if said with different words, is that at least some of such “Treasury money borrowing” falls more into the category of “offers than can’t be refused” in the purest Don Corleone style, i.e. funds that are simply taken from say, Unemployment of Social Security or Old Pension Funds and given to the Treasury, in other words, forced borrowing, money confiscated from the taxpayers which in turn receive nothing more than Treasury bonds they didn’t ask for.

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  218. I have a different viewpoint than most on this site would have of this. I am an Aussie and live in my home country but besides being a Muslim convert married to a Pakistani girl from a large city in the Punjabi region I’ve spent some time over the last 10 years in Pakistan and the politics and culture is part of my life.

    The Taliban are to us the legitimate government of Afghanistan still. We unanimously consider them to be the resistance and as legitimate a government as the country has had for some time. As an outsider you simply cannot transplant your ideas onto another nation, especially a completely foreign culture. The collaborators with the occupation which is all we see the US/NATO supported government as, are called “Puppet Government” and “Puppet Troops” scornfully by all. They are not and never were the good guys. They mainly represent the wealthy, the drug mafias and opportunists whose value to their own welfare far outweighs that to their nation in such situations. They have no popular support and never did have. The only support would be those directly benefiting from the occupation. Including of course drug purveyors, which includes all parties. The Taliban were the cure for the Opium industry which plagues Afghanistan. It is always foreigners who bring it back.

    Whatever disorganized and often false flag groups have been dubbed Taliban for a number of years now, these had more to do with the opium trade too. As the Taliban regains full control I expect the opium to dry up again. The Taliban is actually multi-sectarian, (I am Shia myself ) and an expression of the will of the majority. It’s brand of Islam is a little backward but indicative of the state of evolution of the local customs. Extremism and fundamentalism is naturally a consequence of the sort of warfare to which they are subjected.

    The Taliban has long held most control of the countryside. They’d be well funded no doubt because they will be taxing all those opium growers who flourished under the occupation. They even tax those who supply the occupation and their partners in the puppet government, puppet troops and Pakistani cohorts. Some of whom will be high in Pakistani military and intel of course. This is a very corrupt region. Not that everywhere isn’t corrupt, I think much of the appearances of extreme corruption in such places has to do with how openly it is done. It isn’t as if corruption at any level is breathtaking news even if it is often high enough to get front page for a bit. There is certainly nobody silly enough to doubt the news.

    The Taliban are the natural born, grass roots local people. They have been born into fighting invaders of their mountainous homeland and this repeats back into their ancestry for longer than most countries have even existed. The US Empire would not be the first one to end its history at the foot of those mountains and at the hand of these men. Whatever else you think of these people, and overall the local culture repels me on several levels, but you cannot deny they are some of the gnarliest guerrilla fighters with the most outstanding credentials of any group alive.

    They will absolutely regain full control of their nation. If only for a short while before the next bonehead Empire takes a crack.

    • Thanks: BlackFlag
  219. gatobart says:
    @Miro23

    If the US has decided on a conflict with China then they may follow the same plan and first close these sea lanes (economic blockade of China).

    If that is what they want, uh…I don’t see much chances of them succeeding, for several reasons:

    One, Japan is an island, or several islands, so the only way for their oil supply is by sea. China is a continental power and it has many possibilities of its supply lines, the most direct of course being Russia, which offers also an even more tempting choice, that of their gas reserves.

    Two, I don’t know how much money Japan had in US Treasury bond of in U.S. debt in general in 1941, but I suspect that was very little if any, considering that until the 70s, 80s the US was a creditor nation and only became a debtor nation during that decade. China on the other hand holds a sizable chunk of the international part of US debt: $1.085 trillion in Treasuries. While that amount is not enough by itself alone to break the spine of the US financially, if pushes gets to shoves, it still gives an important leverage to Beijing in his dealings with Washington.

    Three, both China and the U.S. have very tight relationship on trade and economy and what best indicated who is the one on top there were the repeated occasions during the Trump years when the Orange tried to squeeze China good with sanctions against Chinese investor and exporters for some reason and had to give up and the end. The one I remember best is when China retaliated to some U.S. sanctions by stopping all imports of Midwest soya and after only a few months the Orange had to cry uncle, pressured by his Midwest constituency, already up to their necks in farmers’ debt, bankruptcies and suicides.

  220. @Lussier

    Yes and he doesn’t go into detail of what the women cut up. Living and dead would have their penis cut off and popped into their mouths.

  221. @Rdm

    If only they could have dredged the panama canal as deep as the irony of this sort of codswallop.

  222. antibeast says:
    @gatobart

    Yes, that’s what Reagan did in the 80s – authorize the US Treasury to ‘borrow’ USD from the US Social Security Trust Fund — to fund his DoD spending spree which has lasted until today. That’s why the US Social Security Trust Fund will run out of USD to pay out the retirement benefits of baby boomers by 2030. The US Social Security Trust Fund was supposed to have enough USD to cover the payouts to retirees but it only has IOUs in the form of US Treasuries. What this means is that the US Treasury would not be able to ‘borrow’ USD from the US Social Security Trust Fund whose cash surplus will last only until 2030 but instead would have to ‘borrow’ USD from either the FED or the public to cover the cash-flow deficit of the US Social Security System which will only increase over time.

    Here’s a graph showing the cash-flow deficit of the US Social Security System which started in 2010:

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    , @AnonfromTN
  223. gatobart says:
    @antibeast

    In any case I guess you may be as happy as I am right now for not being an “American” as they have a lot to worry about. For instance, some economists talk of a +$200T total debt, when unfounded entitlements are included. Also, there are even videos in YT illustrating the crisis in the Old Age Pension Funds, telling horror stories like that in some states old age pensions have been cut to 50% of their original value. Imagine you are used to a $1500 monthly pension and then it suddenly drops to $750 from one month to the next because there is no much money left in the coffers.

    But what interests me above all is to have the clear picture of how the Federal government finances its own expenses because I’m still foggy on one or two things. First, we agree that the main sources of revenue for the Treasury are a) taxes (individual or corporative), duties, etc. b) revenues from agencies and other federal institutions. c) Issuing of government debt in the form of IOUs called Treasury Bills and Bonds, a.k.a. Treasuries. The exact form and the diverse mechanisms through which this operation ends up with more money in the Treasure coffers is what I think I have an incomplete knowledge about. Now, considering that it usually starts with the federal government needing money, say $1T (and putting aside the mob-like raiding of all kinds of Federal Funds you mentioned, Old Age, Health, etc) one of the possibilities would go along these lines:

    a) The Treasury tells its banker, the FED, “Please, lend me a trillion”. The FED then creates that $1T out of thin air, as you say. Or, using the other popular expression, “entering a few numbers into a computer” b) The Treasury prints $1T in Treasury Bills and Bonds and gives them as IOUs, as said, to the FED. Still, no creation or transfer of material dollar bills has taken place. All the Treasury has at this point is a deposit of $1T in its account with the FED. Here is where I’m kind of foggy, but I guess what follows is: c) the FED auctions those Treasuries worth $1T. That action doesn’t imply the printing of new dollars as the buyers will use the Old ones for their purchases. The FED then gets the money of all those Bond purchases and that trillion will give monetary value to the numbers that were entered in its computer. The operation hasn’t created money out of thin air after all but simply taken it from investors at large. At the end the Treasury has a $1T debt with investors for which it must pay interests be that monthly, yearly, etc, while having that $1T to spend. So, in this case there has been no creation of new money after all, all what happened is that the Treasury borrowed $1T. Also, in this case the Treasury is NOT in debt with the FED, but with investors.

    As in both cases, Corleone-like raiding of Funds and Treasuries auction there has been no creation of new money, just recouping of existing funds, I guess the case involving this case will go like:

    b) The same scenario as a) but now the Federal government wants to inject newly created cash into the economy, to give it a little boost, so it asks once again the Fed for $1T loan. The process goes the same way, but instead of the Treasury printing Bills and Bonds to be auctioned by the FED, it prints $1T in USD, which uses to buy securities and other valuables from banks and corporations. In this case money has indeed been created (out of thin air) and the Treasury has gotten a $1T debt with the FED. I don’t know if this (b) is true, but it sounds to me the most logical way for money to be created and injected into the economy, the most logical form of increasing the money supply. In any case, QE works in similar ways to increase the money supply, only that QE is performed by the FED and the government is bypassed. The FED uses its money to buy securities, which include government Bonds and financial assets, in the open market and that money goes to give a boost to the economy.

    Interestingly enough, the FED and the government have the capacity to indirectly tax individuals, ironically by giving them money, by increasing the money supply and so creating inflation:

    How Does the Government Make Money?
    The “Printed Money” Tax
    CFI

    “There is another less traditional method available to the U.S. government for generating revenue – the Federal Reserve essentially just prints more money….As the Federal Reserve prints more money, expanding the money supply, it results in inflation, which decreases the purchasing power of each U.S. dollar. It is true for the physical bills in a person’s wallet or the money in an individual’s bank account… It means the government has basically taxed the individual for items that it had printed money to pay for….. The Economic Crash of 2020, brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, has led to an unprecedented amount of money being printed by the Federal Reserve. As of May 1, 2020, the U.S. government’s financial aid and rescue programs related to the pandemic had already surpassed the previous year’s entire budget of $4.4 trillion. Many economists fear that the Fed’s massive expansion of the money supply may eventually lead to runaway inflation.”

    If you have read enough of these articles on finances you may have noticed something weird in most them: they use to say that the FED “prints money” which is not true and sows confusion.

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  224. @antibeast

    Let me summarize. The Social Security system has negative cash flow since 2010, and its deficit is projected to rise to $337 billion in 2032. Therefore, it needs to be reformed.

    The US government has negative cash flow since 2002, with budget deficit (real, not projected) of $3.7 trillion in 2020 (which is 10 times greater than projected Social Security deficit in 2032; see details at:
    https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306)

    The US national debt exceeds $28 trillion, with the US government owing Social Security trust ~$2.9 trillion (details here: https://www.thebalance.com/who-owns-the-u-s-national-debt-3306124)

    Therefore, the US government does not need to be reformed.

    Did I get that right?

  225. antibeast says:
    @gatobart

    The difference between the two scenarios is whether or not new money is created ‘out of thin air’ by the FED. Scenario a occurs when the FED auctions US Treasuries to primary dealers which are private banks reselling these marketable securities to capital markets worldwide. Scenario b occurs when the FED buys US Treasuries either during ‘Open Market Operations (OMO)’ or during ‘Quantitative Easing (QE)’ programs in order to lower the short-term or long-term interest rates, respectively. Old money is used to buy the US Treasuries in the first scenario while new money is used to buy the US Treasuries in the second scenario. The US Treasury itself is not involved in any of these Central Banking operations which are the exclusive prerogative of the FED. All the US Treasury does it to manage the finances of the US Federal Government by issuing US government debt in the form of US Treasuries which are not even ‘deposited’ with the FED but are instead ‘auctioned’ off as marketable securities to primary dealers. The only time the FED keeps the US Treasuries in its balance sheet is if it buys them as part of either OMOs or QEs. The size of the FED’s money-creation can be seen in its balance-sheet as shown in the graph below:

    Most of that new money is used by the FED to buy up US Treasuries:

    That means two things: 1). the FED is creating lots of new money, and 2). the FED is using those new monies to buy up US government debt in the form of US Treasuries. While the FED is debasing the USD currency by creating all those new monies ‘out of thin air’, the US government is increasing its public debt by issuing more US Treasuries. US citizens who earn, spend or save USD will see their purchasing power decline while paying more taxes to the US government. US retirees in particular who depend on fixed-income USD assets in the form of US Social Security retirement benefits, US Government or Corporate pensions, US life insurance or annuities, etc. will see their fixed-income USD assets decline in value while paying more in taxes. Sometime in the future, the US government will have to start taxing assets owned by US citizens in addition to collecting income taxes from US citizens.

  226. gatobart says:

    “Old money is used to buy the US Treasuries in the first scenario while new money is used to buy the US Treasuries in the second scenario.”

    Right on. So all that is perfectly clear. Now, if you know as much about the subject as you seem to know, maybe you will be able to answer this question: That money the FED uses to buy securities in the second scenario, during QE, for example, where it really comes from..? Or rather, what exactly that money is, in what form comes out of their books so to speak…?

    I am putting this question to you because I am not sure if “money” simply means US dollars in this case, or whatever other financial instrument could be considered as such, because, as we have said, the FED cannot print USD. I am not an economist, i has just read a lot, and I have read somewhere that there are other financial instruments that can also be considered money as money itself, i.e. USD bills. For example in the past when I had to send money from here in Canada to some other country I could buy a Royal Bank moneyorder, which could be exhanged abroad for money in the local currency. Still nowadays I know the same thing can be done inside Canada with Post Canada money certiticates. Now, before going on, let’s make clear that when we say that $1T is created out of thin air it doesn’t mean that the Treasury prints a number of USD bills until reaching that value, in that case we would be drowning in US dollars…! I understand that money takes several forms, I am not economist or financial analyst, but I get it, that money takes different forms, credits, certificates, etc. I think we can agree on that. So my specific question is, when you write:

    Scenario b occurs when the FED buys US Treasuries either during ‘Open Market Operations (OMO)’ or during ‘Quantitative Easing (QE)’ programs in order to lower the short-term or long-term interest rates, respectively.

    What is exactly the money the FED uses for these purchases, as it can’t print USD bills…? Is it in the form of moneyorders, FED checks, simple transfers from one bank account to another…?

    Thanks in advance for an answer.

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  227. Smith says:

    People are making this more complex than it is.

    When your government can’t print its own money and has to borrow from some banks (who can print it out of thin air), that means your government is a bebt slave and you are a debt slave’s debt slave.

    That is simple as it gets.

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  228. @gatobart

    Sadly they think they are the most informed but really aren’t. As to Pablo Escobar – i wouldnt be surprised. CIA right wing political groups in the Caribbean worked with the Cali Cartel…. Being duplicitous is not above their methods.
    Of course we know Manuel Noriega profited handsomely from the fees paid to him by drug traffickers. That is as long as Noriega was willing to supply info on leftists. Once he stopped then of course “Panama needs freedom”. Same script – just change the names.

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  229. antibeast says:
    @gatobart

    What is exactly the money the FED uses for these purchases, as it can’t print USD bills…? Is it in the form of moneyorders, FED checks, simple transfers from one bank account to another…?

    Good question. Here’s the US dollar bill showing signatures by the “Treasurer of the United States” as well as “Secretary of the Treasury”:

    The Treasurer of the United States is actually an office under the Department of the Treasury which does the actual production of coins and paper currency such as the one dollar bill shown above.

    https://home.treasury.gov/about/offices/treasurer

    The Treasurer of the United States has direct oversight over the U.S. Mint, the Bureau of Engraving and Printing and Fort Knox and is a key liaison with the Federal Reserve.

    The Treasury Department is the US government agency responsible for managing the financial affairs of the US Federal Government, as noted in the quote from its website below:

    https://home.treasury.gov/about/general-information/role-of-the-treasury

    The Treasury Department is the executive agency responsible for promoting economic prosperity and ensuring the financial security of the United States. The Department is responsible for a wide range of activities such as advising the President on economic and financial issues, encouraging sustainable economic growth, and fostering improved governance in financial institutions. The Department of the Treasury operates and maintains systems that are critical to the nation’s financial infrastructure, such as the production of coin and currency, the disbursement of payments to the American public, revenue collection, and the borrowing of funds necessary to run the federal government.

    In other words, the FED creates new ‘money’ out of thin air by adding a set of numbers in its balance sheet and by asking the US Mint in the Treasury Department to produce new coins or paper currency as requested by private banks. That’s why the US dollar bill includes both signatures of the ‘Treasurer of the United States’ as well as the ‘Secretary of the Treasury’. But that ‘money’ does not belong to the US government but to the FED as noted in the US dollar bill as ‘Federal Reserve Note’.

    People confuse the physical printing of paper currency such as the US dollar bill with the creation of ‘money’. The US Treasury Department does not have the legal authority to create its own ‘money’ but has to borrow ‘money’ from private banks, including the FED which has the sole and exclusive authority to create ‘money’ out of thin air in the USA.

    • Replies: @gatobart
  230. gatobart says:
    @Smith

    Don’t be a wet blanket. We already know that, don’t you think so…? Come on, it’s like analyzing chess matches between Bobby Fischer and Boris Spassky: if we can do that it’s obvious we know already how to move a Queen or a Bishop. Amerricans are debt slaves of the FED, nobody argues with that.

    • Replies: @Smith
  231. gatobart says:
    @Showmethereal

    Sadly they think they are the most informed but really aren’t.

    If you are talking about Amerricans I think you are wrong. Amerricans don’t give a krap about being informed, let alone well informed not to mention the most informed. Like the dog who only wants his bowl of water, his juicy beefsteak and to be left alone, Amerricans only want their football, their bottle of beer and their remote at reach of hand. Otherwise there would have been at least 10 million of them marching out in the streets when the evidence started piling up about the steal of the presidential election of nov. 2020.

  232. gatobart says:
    @antibeast

    So it is as simple as that: creation of new money, whatever the circumstances, is performed by the FED with the typing of a few numbers on a computer keyboard (creating it out of thin air) and then the FED asks that the Treasury prints the same amount of newly created dollars in its printing press. It is clear. Still, i got a doubt: does the Treasury actually prints USD bills in an amount corresponding exactly to the newly created amount of money; i.e. if the FED creates $1T out of thin air, does the Treasury prints also $1T in dollar bills of every possible denomination or that $1T issuing of money also includes some other financial instruments that can also be considered as money…? Or does the Treasury go printing that $1T by stages, pacing itself, printing partial amounts according to the demand from private banks..? Anyway, I got it pretty clear already, the overall picture. Thanks.

    • Replies: @antibeast
  233. antibeast says:
    @gatobart

    No, of course not. The FED will ask the Treasury to produce a certain amount of coins and paper currency as requested by private banks while the rest of the new ‘money’ created out of thin air are additional numbers on its bank ledger which it uses to regulate the amount of Central Bank money (M0) in the USA.

  234. @Malla

    That book simply does not sound credible. Mao was rebuffed by the US gov – which made him reluctantly turn to the USSR.
    Chiang was killing off the communists with a US wink and a nod. It was his own generals that kidnapped him and forced him to stop killing communists and focus on fighting Japan (whom the US was supplying).
    The arms the CPC got were arms the USSR took from Japan – and similar to the Taliban right now many of the KMT troops defected and handed over their US paid for weapons to the CPC.

    Chiang had been cut off because his administration was horrible. He was mockingly known as “cash my check” because basically that is what he was doing – using the US as a piggy bank. The few US officials who saw what was happening on the ground told the US gov that the communists were winning the hearts of the people and the Nationalists would fold. For that they were persecuted under Mccarthyism in the US and lost position and prestige.
    Taiwan is still the holdout simply because the US Navy was sent to prevent the CPC of having a complete victory in the civil war.

    I mean I dont get these conspiracy theorists. The US wanted the CPC to win just so they could put China under embargo??? Well thats exactly what they did. The logic makes zero sense by the author and others like him… What was the reason for violating China at the Yalu River if they wanted the communists to win?

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  235. @antibeast

    What you wrote is very correct. The whole “lost China” is just arrogant nonsense anyway. China was/is nobody’s to win or lose.

    And the whole idea of the US somehow supoorting the CPC is frankly weird. Anyone with the slightest bit of actual knowledge of China from that era knows that is a joke. The PLA firing at British and US naval vessels was very real. So was the ground war in Korea a few years later.

    A few American closet communists does not make doctrine. That is like saying because Henry Ford was factually an admirer of Hitler that the US gov wanted him to win the war.

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  236. @gatobart

    Oh yes – how could I forget Russia. Yes that is one of the reasons to be against Nordstream 2 as well. The gas and oil Russia sells to China are in their local currencies and euros as they both seek to break from under the petro dollar. Russia has even taken the step of removing all US currency/holdings from the national reserves. That is the real beef with Russia…. Crimea is the excuse.

  237. Smith says:
    @gatobart

    Except you are not analyzing a chess match between two champions, you are analyzing how the US govt fuck its debt slaves, and the truth that it is relatively simple, all the techniques and know-how/intricacies are simply foreplays.

  238. gatobart says:

    By your same logic, studying the COVID19 it is not worth the trouble because we know it attacks the respiratory system of people and it may produce many other serious secondary effects, it may even kill people, and that’s all what is to be known about it.

    in any case, the real problem here is not over-studying how money is created and how the FED and the federal government screw taxpayers but, as I implied already, the lack of political awareness and activism by the American populace at large.

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  239. Smith says:
    @gatobart

    The americans are too arrogant, too entrenched in their way of thinking (it’s all they know).

    Just like the chinese, only when their gates are broken down and their country crushed, that they will learn.

    Such is the fate of all empires’s hubris.

  240. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    What you wrote is very correct. The whole “lost China” is just arrogant nonsense anyway. China was/is nobody’s to win or lose.

    This whole ‘who lost China’ rhetoric is more a reflection of US politics than the facts on the ground in post-war China from 1946-1949. The Chinese Civil War actually started decades earlier in 1927 when Chiang turned on the Communists after fighting the warlords during the Northern Expedition which was supported by the Soviet Union. After purging the Chinese Communists from the KMT and expelling the Soviet Comintern agents from China, Chiang’s Nationalist Army then fought off Mao’s Red Army in a series of ‘encirclement’ battles which led to the defeat of the CCP, followed by the year-long military retreat known as ‘Long March’ from Jiangxi to Yan’an (Oct. 1934-Oct. 1935).

    Chiang had succeeded in decimating the CCP in the first phase of the Chinese Civil War which then culminated in the Xi’an incident in Dec 1936 when he was detained by his own generals who wanted Chiang to stop the Civil War against the CCP and focus on the upcoming war against the Japanese. That was followed by the Marco Polo Bridge Incident which sparked the Second Sino-Japanese War, thereby interrupting the Chinese Civil War which then resumed its second phase after the end of WWII from 1946-1949.

    Were it not for the Japanese invasion of China, Chiang would have succeeded in transforming the Republic of China into a modern, industrial nation-state similar to Japan, with the latest and greatest industrial technologies from the most advanced country in the West — Germany — which was China’s closest ally from 1927-1941.

    And where were the Americans during this time? They were in the Philippines which was their colony in Southeast Asia. The Americans couldn’t defend the Philippines from the Japanese invasion and had to surrender after General Douglas MacArthur fled the Philippines and left his USAFFE troops to the Japanese. After WWII, MacArthur quickly abandoned the Philippines for Japan where he reigned as the American Shogun.

    The fact of the matter is that the USA never played any major role in the economic, political and military affairs of the Republic of China prior to WWII. The four countries which did play a major role were Britain (via Shanghai), Japan (via Manchuria), USSR (via the CCP) and Germany (via the KMT). Of those four, Chiang chose Germany to be the closest ally of the Republic of China from 1927-1941, rejecting the USSR which had been an ally from 1920-1926. As for Britain, Chiang rescinded the provisions of the ‘Unequal Treaties’ by imposing tariffs on foreign imports which effectively marginalized the British merchants who lost out to their Chinese competitors in Shanghai. That leaves Japan which Chiang saw as the biggest threat to the national survival of the Republic of China. That’s why Chiang wanted to get rid of the Soviet-backed Chinese Communist Fifth-Columnists in order to fully unify China against Japan. Chiang was very close to destroying the CCP whose membership went down to 100,000 after its defeat by Chiang but increased TEN-FOLD during the eight years of brutal warfare in the Second Sino-Japanese War, followed by the capture of Manchuria and the acquisition of Japanese weapons by the CCP after WWII.

    The key event which was the main cause for this sudden reversal of fortunes between the KMT and the CCP was the Second Sino-Japanese War. According to the delusional fantasies of the ‘who lost China’ conspiracy theorists, none of this gruesome stuff happened — no Chinese Civil War, no Long March, no Second Sino-Japanese War, no nothing — except some ‘commie pinkos’ (presumably Jewish) in the USA somehow sympathizing with the CCP which led to the founding of the PRC in 1949.

    Arguing with the ‘who lost China’ conspiracy theorists is a waste of time because they are just a bunch of psychotic morons.

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  241. @gatobart

    You are correct that a majority of Iraq hated Saddam… But what the foolish people in the US gov thought was that they liked the US and would welcome an occupation. They made a foolish calculation. The height of arrogance really.

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  242. @antibeast

    Agreed with everything you said except about Chiang being able to do all the reforms. He was very corrupt. China was still divisive so it would have been very difficult to reign in all the warlords and Tibet and Xinjiang – who were trying to establish their own fiefdoms. Germany is probably the only one who wasnt trying to break up China. The Brits were trying to help Tibet – while the Soviets with US agreement – broke off a large chunk of Mongolia and were hoping to break off Xinjiang as East Turkistan to marry to the rest of Central Asia. I just am not confident Chiang would have been able to unify the country. But we will never know. Personally I think someone else in the KMT would have had to take over. Had Sun Yat Sen been alive and kicking (obviously younger) I think he could have been the one. Hey – hes still venerated in Mainland China today. His burial place is quite popular as I am sure you know. If i am not mistaken there is a place in Hainan dedicated to him also.

    In any event I agree with the rest of what you wrote. It is almost without dispute that had Japan not invaded the communists would have been finished off by Chiang. Mao even said so himself. And if we go further the foreign imperialists were to blame for communism finding fertile ground in China in the first place. So the 8 Nation Alliance overall is to blame for a communist China. They all played their part – mainly by humiliating China.

    Good point about Germany also. Germany indeed were the main ones helping to modernize China. Siemens as a company especially. But event today under the CPC – Germany is the most friendly of Western Europeans (I count Canada and the US as the same). If i was a betting man i would wager there was more tech transfer from Germany than the US since the reforms and opening under Deng.

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  243. gatobart says:
    @Showmethereal

    It has been a tradition for those in power in Washington to fool themselves, and to try to fool the rest of the world also, into the belief that their “liberating forces” invading a foreign country to topple the usual “bloody, repressive dictator” will be received with hugs and flowers by the populace (a wet dream surely left in their imaginations by the experience of US troops after the Normandy landings of 1944 in Europe). That is how Kennedy was fooled into giving his seal of approval to the Eisenhower administration–prepared invasion of Bay of Pigs as he had warned many times the CIA, before the invasion, that he wouldn’t move a finger to help the invading Cubans because he wanted the world to see this was an affair completely between Cubans. That is why he was so angry at the CIA afterwards. But in the particular case of Saddam Hussein those in Washington may be excused of believing such a thing, after all they knew the man very well, as Saddam had rendered great services to the “American” empire for most of his public career, especially after the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979. This video, of a very public purge he did among his collaborators shows to what extent he was the perfect example of the stereotypical brutal, bloody dictator who rules his country by sheer terror and proves without a doubt that his ending was just what was coming to him.

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  244. antibeast says:
    @Showmethereal

    I don’t view Chiang as ‘corrupt’ himself in the sense that he was interested in amassing wealth. But he definitely was a professional soldier turned military dictator who was more interested in amassing power. As a military tactician, Chiang lacked the political genius of Mao who was a strategic thinker par excellence. That’s what doomed the Republic of China because Chiang did not come up with an effective political ideology to unify China unlike Mao who did succeed in creating his own political ideology of Maoism to form a strong State. Chiang relied too much on military tactics without offering any political solution to the dire problems afflicting China while Mao focused on political strategies to resolve those myriad problems. An example of this phenomenon is the Shanghai Massacre when Chiang ordered the violent purge of the CCP from the KMT. Instead of killing those Chinese Communists, Chiang should have co-opted them by adopting some of their socialist policies while purging the gangster-capitalists infesting the KMT. Another example is Chiang’s attempt to defeat the CCP after WWII by relying on military strength without offering any political settlement to the Chinese Civil War. Despite the military aid of the USA, Chiang could not prevent his own Chinese Nationalist Armies from defecting to the CCP side, surrendering their US-supplied weapons to boot. Nor could he restrain his own KMT gangster-capitalists from resorting to profiteering, racketeering, smuggling, looting, etc. which doomed the Republic of China to its moribund fate.

    However, Chiang did succeed in a large number of areas prior to the Japanese invasion. In international relations, Chiang managed to secure the alliance of the most advanced country in the West — Germany — to supply him with the industrial technology to manufacture weapons, build railroads, power plants and chemical factories in China as well as to train and equip eight divisions of elite troops and twelve divisions of regular troops in the Chinese Nationalist Army. In foreign trade, Chiang managed to rescind the tariff provision of the ‘Unequal Treaties’ signed with Britain and imposed tariffs to protect the domestic textile industry which soon obviated the need for textile imports. Chiang later managed to abrogate the ‘Unequal Treaties’ altogether and abolish the foreign concessions granted to Britain which needed Chiang’s Chinese Nationalist Army to help defeat the Japanese in Burma. To promote economic development, Chiang created a set of State-owned banks such as the Central Bank of China, Bank of China as well as the Bank of Communications. To foster industrial development, Chiang created the National Resource Council which started nationalizing private industry in 1932. All that within a TEN-YEAR period from 1927-1937!!!

    Chiang accomplished far more in a shorter period of time than Sun ever did. Not to mention that Sun was too idealistic instead of the realist that Chiang was. When the time for war came, Chiang was the right person to lead China, defeating the Chinese warlords, Chinese Communists, Soviets twice — the 1934 Soviet invasion of Xinjiang and the 1944 Ili Rebellion — and fighting the Japanese Imperialists to a stalemate.

    When the war ended, Chiang’s time was up as he had to give way to a revolutionary leader turned political strategist who had the ideological solution to the dire problems facing China. That was Mao. And the rest as they say is history.

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  245. Malla says:
    @Showmethereal

    I mean I dont get these conspiracy theorists.

    It is not a conspiracy theory at all, all based on facts. A lot of papers were researched. CHeck out the book yourself.

    The US wanted the CPC to win just so they could put China under embargo???

    Didn’t they do the same thing with Cuba? Castro had State Dept Support. Not a conspiracy theory or whatever that means. The American Ambassador to Cuba wrote a book about it called the Fourth Floor.

    Chiang was killing off the communists with a US wink and a nod. It was his own generals that kidnapped him and forced him to stop killing communists and focus on fighting Japan (whom the US was supplying).

    You are not giving the complete picture of the Xian incident. “His own men” who kidnapped him, who were either sympathetic to the CPC or had grievances against Japan (Chang Hsüeh-liang, whose father was assassinated by low ranking Japanese officers a move with no support from Tokyo). Chiang was taken to the CPC. Chang Hsüeh-liang is considered a hero by the CCP even though he was once had an affair with Mussolini’s daughter. Also Chiang’s son was hostage in the USSR where he had to gone to study. Stalin always feared a Japanese invasion of the Far East while he dealt with the European theater. It was in his interest to see the Chinese Nationalist Kuomintang clash with the Imperial Japanese Kwantung Army, which would keep the Japanese bogged up in China.

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  246. @antibeast

    Ok – I can agree with that assessment of Chiang… There were certainly a lot of moving parts.

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  247. @Hughes

    Who is John “Fredrick” Kennedy?

  248. antibeast says:
    @showmethereal

    One more thing, what Xi is doing today in China is exactly what Chiang first started 95 years ago. Chiang is not well-liked by the West because he was a Nationalist, just like Xi. The West prefers Communists like Mao or Capitalists like Deng but not Nationalists like Xi because Nationalists always impose limits on Capitalists by subjecting them to the power of the State which is exactly what Chiang did 95 years ago, as mentioned in my last post.

  249. @Malla

    Just because mainstream media and history has many lies doesnt mean all of the alternative history and “news” is correct either.

  250. @gatobart

    The video is unfortunately tainted by amerimutts’ 2 digit IQ commentaries.

    Thank you for the material though.

    “American Heroes Channel’
    “Evolution of Evil”
    Lol

    This piece of shit kike loving cuntry should be exterminated and by God, it will happen. And after last week, it looks like the faggots and the golem are going to take to the streets. Wait, they already did!

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  251. gatobart says:
    @HeebHunter

    Unfortunately so. But the video is good anyway, and the best thing is to watch it keeping in mind that for most of his political life, at even more at this moment, when the video was shot, Saddam Hussein was “one of our SOBs” for the Amerricans, as that great Democrat & Fighter for Freedom Franklin Delano Roosevelt put it so well when being critiziced by his unconditional support of bloody genocidal Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza. So in a way this is not different than to be watching in action any other of the many criminals who have dutifully served the empire oppressing and murdering their own people for benefit of Washington and US banking/big business over the years: Batista, Marcos, Duvalier, Sukarno, Shah of Iran, etc, etc. Just remember that shortly after the event shown in this video Saddam launched his bloody, unprovoked military attack against Iran following orders from Washington, to punish Iranians for having dared to break their chains with the Washington/Wall Street family mafia. So the fact that during the least reel of his miserable life Saddam may have decided to to change sides, as his Central American pal, Noriega did, changes nothing.

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  252. @gatobart

    It should habe been pretty fucking clear after Vietnam that the amerimutts/anglo (((west))) is absolutely untrustworthy. Hell, during WW2 it was already clear as day, but lower IQ nations are just that, dumb goyim.

    Like many commenters here have stated, muttmerica/(((the west))) only employ and exonarate the lowest of low, the scum of mankind. To be their lackeys is to literally “ask for it”, as in a gaping backstab and a humiliating death.

    Thank you for having the patience to expose these demonic subhumans with facts and rational arguments. I give up long ago.

  253. gatobart says:

    “Like many commenters here have stated, muttmerica/(((the west))) only employ and exonarate the lowest of low, the scum of mankind. To be their lackeys is to literally “ask for it”, as in a gaping backstab and a humiliating death”

    How is it possible that the Amerrican empire (and the ones before it) could have been able to reach such power, influence and supremacy in most of the world when there are so many countries and so many people out there who only have to go in the same opposite direction, work all with the same purpose, to free themselves from its excruciating influence over them…? The reason is to be found in three main elements that are always present in human society:

    a) Our old acquaintance, traditional human stupidity. Or at least (being charitable here) lack of awareness or simple ignorance. There is a saying, that for evil men to prevail the good ones only need to do nothing, stay seated on their hands. I’d say that is by far the most important contributing factor. People’s lack of action and even complete indifference to events that could be crucial to their future and that could even cost them seas of tears (like what happened in Ukraine in Feb. 2014)

    b) The true existence of evil people in the world. Contrary to what Pollyanna said, there are people in this world who are evil by nature, that are truly happy harming their fellow men, many times using the cruelest means and tools, those that will inflict the worst pain and suffering; because they are simply evil. They are, as we call them, sociopaths, psychopaths, all kinds or assorted twisted little fucks. Civilized society has managed to catch some of them and put them in institutions where they can harm no one, but the sad thing is, the smartest ones are those capable of slipping through the nets so keeping themselves free and available for action. Some of them get into politics and are even able to reach some degree of power in society, which allows them to legally inflict pain and suffering on at least part of it for some time. Some go also into the corporate world and we may even come to cross paths with a few specimens in the past in our jobs. In most cases they stay for some time in a position of power/relevance and then they retire or are evicted (by regular elections, because of their abuses crimes or illegalities, by being pushed out by younger pretenders, etc) only to be replaced by some others of the dame ilk. Some also become soldiers and cops. The worst kind are those who become members of clandestine groups, (especially right wing, the CIA loves them because they are capable of the worst), death squads and secret polices during dictatorships. I have personally known a few and I can tell you, these people are capable of committing the worst atrocities without feeling the least remorse even to their dying moment. They are really vermin in human form. The most mediatized example of this kind of vermin after ww2, besides ISIS, may have been the Nicaraguan Contras, who rather than fighting the Sandinista Army preferred to attack hospitals and medical clinics and murder teachers and doctors and which almost got Reagan impeached because of their links with Cl. Oliver North and with drug trafficking. Even worse during the same years, the 1980s, were Roberto D’Aubuisson and his death squads in neighbor El Salvador, along with the Salvadorian Army, specially its notorious Atlacatl Battallion, which topped whatever the Contras could have perpetrated, committing atrocities that would have made pale SS Chief H. Himmler himself. Their most notorious actions were the public shooting dead of Archbishop Oscar Romero in front of his congregation as he was officiating mass and the rape/murder of four U.S. Catholic nuns. Of course Washington did little or nothing to force the Salvadoran regime to find and punish those responsible. This is the kind of people Washington, their military, the CIA look for and love to work with because they can be used as tools that can commit the worst atrocities so sparing them the moral burden of even having to witness and remember the events. All these people, and those in ISIS, Al qaeda, the Shah of Iran’s Savak, Pinochet’s DINA, weren’t created by Washington or the CIA. They had been there, in their societies, lurking in the shadows, waiting for the moment, the opportunity. And that came when politics became intense, even violent in those societies, and the U.S. came to recruit them and make them work for thw world’s elite. All that while the vast national majority was sleeping, indifferent or simply being distracted by the propaganda and lies waved in front of their eyes.

    c) From b), the obvious last element is occasion, opportunity. That is why the big mistake by world governments is to allow such a degree of infiltration in their societies by U.S. controlled/backed/financed NGOs of all kinds, not to mention those agencies that belong to the government itself like USAID for example. Just like Paul Craig Roberts, I can’t figure out why, why, why, Moscow and Beijing allow these Trojan horses to freely operate in their countries, when it is obvious that they are all working 24/7 for one single purpose, to erode the strength & stability of their societies, preparing for the moment when the conditions are favorable for them to create chaos and to unleash on the locals the vermin mentioned in b) I can’t understand why they are allowing this, when there have been small, poor and weak countries like say, Ecuador and Bolivia, which have been far stronger in this regard, I think Evo Morales even expelled USAID from Bolivia a few years ago. If Bolivia can do it, why Putin and Xi are so stupid as to let them continue their work of eroding Russian/China social society.

    If you are sharp, you may have noticed that I haven’t once mentioned the US populace, Amerrican public opinion. And the reason why I haven’t done it is simply because they are not a factor, they are irrelevant. Decades have passed since the last time Washington, the elites, showed Americans that they care about what they want or think and so nowadays, when the unrelenting mudslinging and hatred campaign against Putin and China continue unabated, the truth is the empire, i.e. its elite, will do whatever they want and they will force their will on clueless, weak and gullible Amerricans one way or another. If someone has to oppose the empire, that won’t come from inside the U.S.

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